Playing cricket for peace

Any Pak diplomat, be it President or PM reporting to ISI, should be made ti sign a form which states the following.

1. I am of sound mind and do not suffer from hallucinations. ( attach a certified copy fromn a non-Pakistani psychiatrist )
2. I understand Pak will never get any part of Indian Kashmir.
3. I have told my children and grand children that Pakistan will never get any part of Indian kashmir.
4. I understand that Pakistan , in its juvenile desire for Indian Kashmir, has lost Bangladesh ( East Pakistan ) and is now on the verge of losing Baluchistan.

Only after the immigration and border authrities receive a signed fornm in triplicate , should any diplomat from Pakistan be allowed on Indian territory. Otherwise its just wastage of time, resources and extremely inimical and counter proiductive to Indian interests.

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@ Rajiv

Brilliant !

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@ Vinod Sharma

Incisive blog. I am yet to meet an Indian who is willing to say that he or she is willing to forget 26/11 and terror attacks.

just a few minutes back I saw a Pakistani defence analyst– a baldy called Hila-le or something– who was claiming that 26/11 had nothing to do with Pakistan.

We have to make sure that MMS ’s gesture is not intrepreted as a sign of weakness or admittance of some sort of Indian guilt… That would rub a lot of muck on our gentle well meaning PM…

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With Pakistan, you are dealing with a juvenile, idiotic mindset. Any gesture, born out of goodwill, is immediately seen as a prelude to India handing over some part of Kashmir. Thats why the 4-point declaration *** application form I mentioned in a previous post, for any Pak so called diplomat or dignitary coming to India, is so indispensable.

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I can only hope that India doesn’t see another 26/11. Under Manmohan Singh, UPA govt. is ready to give a mile for nothing.
Anyway this country is doomed under congress.

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Rajiv, Rajeev and Vijay Kumar you guys are stuck in a rut, “we are all good and they are all bad”.

I am in India cheering for the Green Shirts.

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I have several Pakistani friends and I tell them in a nice way how Pakistan is destroying itself with its anti-India policies. The examples of Khalifite are all across West Asian dictatorships and dynastic rulers. It is also there in South Asia and other developing countries scarred by governance deficit including corruption, poverty, slums, open drains, illiteracy, an archiac bureaucracy which behaves like the 500 Maharajas in India’s 500 districts.

As regards the Indo-Pak cricket diplomacy its mischievous and stupid on the part of Manmohan Singh unless he gets General Kayani and Sonia Gandhi do the dialogue as they are the real power centres in Pakistan and India respectively. The Congress government’s motive behind publicising about its so called Hindutva Terror is like handing over to Pakistan a stick with which it can beat India as it is now doing. If there is the so called Hindu terror why doesn’t the government appoint a special investigation team under the supervision of the Supreme Court as it did in the matter of Gujarat riots. I don’t agree with the theory of HIndutva Terror from the material available this is not to deny that Hindus don’t have extremists just like other religions. In Islam however extremism through Jihad has been a way of life. The government appears to suggest that the so called Hindutva Terror is deadlier than Maoism. I hope the people of India vote this government out in the next elections.

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My feeling is MMS, struggling to maintain his flagging goodwill due to various scams, Wikileaks, has attempted to divert nation’s attention from burning issues to a gimmick of hosting Pakistani diplomats.

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I see nothing wrong with Pakistan’s behavior. If someone slaps you repeatedly, then ***** slaps you again, then rubs your face in the mud repeatedly till it is bloody and you go back to him making overtures of peace after 2 years at the first available opportunity due to your gentlemanliness, I’m afraid you will be ***** slapped again.

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We approach this Pakitani issue as if we owe them something & we can’t do without them. We keep chasing them for so called peace & friendship. This is how we grew up watching. Thwarted & humiliated again & again, we keep doing it shamelessly. What on earth can we expect from a pauper, low life, living-on-terror funds country that is going nowhere but down?

The shameless Babus in New Delhi let these morons in when they instigate, shield & help Made in Pakistan terrorists, attack India.

If one of the 26/11 murdered was from PM’s family, will he still bring in Pakis for Dinner & Dance?
Let Sardar Ji spend the money from his own paycheque on this Pakistani dinner & dance.

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They must be the two world PMs without any power. Since MMS of late has been under so much of pressure and no one listening to him he is trying to turn some better focus towards him. Two toothless tigers are meeting to share their woes. What result is expected ?

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~~~ The danger of heightened expectations and a dud missile ~~~

No real Indian– except the Arundhati gang and a few idiots– is willing to forget 26/11.

In case MMS makes a unilateral peace declaration which sidesteps action against Lakhvi, Hafeez Saeed and other Pakistani mafia gangsters, the COngress should brace itself for electorol dung.

As it is it won the last election on the hard unrelenting stance it initially took on the terror attacks.

The mand-budhi prince may be trying to peddle a softline now, egged on by Diggy – the grave digger.

But then we all have the power of the vote to overthrow….

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Shenoy sahab da jawab nahin…

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Pehle 26/11…lakhvis…dawood, etc then talks….

MMS as ex **** has invited a fellow ****.

India should now let Indian Army talk to Pak Army rather then our netas and babus do the talking – who have reached no where except attend cricket matches and eat lahori murg tikkas. We indians miss a very important component that is Indian Army- any solutions will have to have a yes from our Indian Army. Our Army is an important stakeholders in India -Pak.

Finally what if there is another attack la mumbai…both chidram ( dossier writer ) and MMS have not fixed that terror concern which every indian today has.

With Anit aircraft guns, air alert, Missle (brahmos) deployment in Mohali- is it worth to be called a match ??? . Never I have heard such “arrangements” for a one day sporting event. The atmo. created by TV and media has been that of a war.

Kayani/ISI must be gloating ,……crores being spent on security for the match. LoL .

A wonderful match between an equally great teams SL and NZ has been ignored by our desi, lobbyist turned journos.
I hope ICC bans media and TV from covering the match. as they will only create hostile attitude bewteen the nations.

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Vijay,
The cricket and the pakistani team are not the problem. The problem are spectators coming from pakistan who may not go back to pakistan and may launch another terror attack on India.
I am of the view that semi-final between india and pakistan should have been held on neutral territory i.e. Sri Lanka.

By the way, I heard that tickets are being sold at 1+ lakh each. We Indians true to our nature never leave corruption. All this patriotism is bogus. What is the use if we don’t allow students who can’t afford 1+ lakh ticket, to cheer our team? Why are journalist not exposing who are selling tickets in black?

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Have you guys noticed how Hindustan Times is hell bent on making this Manmohan gesture a PR move for the Congress? I mean…the last 4 days, the main headlines in Hindustan Times have been about this Mohali match. Its like they want to manufacture a non-existent hysteria. Yes, its an important match but its not so sensational that its your MAIN HEADLINE for 4 days in a row. Particularly at a time when the Shunglu panel report has come out and indicted Sheila Dikshit in the Commonwealth Games scam – news of which our dear HT is humbly giving space on Page

These are the main headlines I’m talking about..imagine:

Pakistan Dangerous – says Guru Gary twitpic.com/4ekfhg

In Mohali Clash, PM Bats for Peace /twitpic.com/4em2fc

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We see how Kashmiris shout for Azadi on behalf of Pakistan but see how hypocritical pakistan is when it comes to Balochistan. This is discussion with Baloch people conducted by a lady who is trying to mimic Barkha Dutt but comes out patriotic.

Worth Watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XwIXQHG7JQ&feature=related

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Dear Viniod ji,

Excellent blog as usual-one question -Would MMS have dared to take this step if 2/11 had occurred in Delhi and not in Mumbai?What has changed for MMS to go and do things wohout national unity?Has even one major 26/11 planner from so Pak military/terrorist surrogate handed over to India and all this talk of cooperation is it not tu tu mai mai!! Is 26/11 any less evil than 9/11 why do Indians are sold short by so called Govt or leaders?

Regards

Ram

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“Apparently, to create an ambience for the resumed dialogue and to send out a message to the world that India does not abandon reasonable conduct even when wronged or betrayed.”

But the funny part is that no westerner expects India to try to make peace with pakistan after 26/11. I live in the US, all my coworkers are amazed at India’s puzzling and cowardly behaviour of not responding to obvious and grave provocation.

MMS should know that no one takes it as a sign of wisdom or tolerance anymore. The veil of shamelessness is growing more transparent now. Inaction is seen to be cowardice post Iraq and post 26/11.

China or no china, pakistan needs to be sorted out, and inviting their politicians for kebabs is just not cutting it anymore.

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Vinod,
Better luck next time… India won.

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This is what NDTV showed after India defeated Pakistan in S/F.

http://satyameva-jayate.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/JKV-Screenshot-NDTV-Dynasty-World-Cup.jpg

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All of us are , maybe barring a few , are celeberating the Indian victory. A few are celeberating and rejoicing more the visuals of Sonia and Rahul , standing and clapping from the stands.Oh what a high point in their political campaign.First from the ordinary stands( in case things go wrong ) and later from the VIP stands when victory was assured. (That is what I presume from the pictures I saw in the newspapers).Some were celerating more the visuals of the bonhomie between MMS and Gilani.
But somehow a thought crossed my mind . What would the families and dear ones of Amar Shaheed Omble , Sandeep Unnikrishnan, Kamte , Salaskar , Hemant Katkar and so many others who lost their lives figthing those who were sent by Gilani’s Pakistan be going through. And when they see the visuals of the political masters wining and dining together, could they be feeling betrayed? What has Pakistan done to deserve this treatment ? Will not more die in days to come?
A relative , a senior civil servant at that time once said to me with a deadpan expression Well that is the job of the Army . They are paid for that. I asked are our jawans mercenaries? He looked elsewhere.
I don’t know , these thoughts made me somewhat uncomfortable.
Cant say whether the host and the friends who visit the blog could be feeling the same. I am sure they would be.

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@ Parveen,
Saxena Sahab, as guessed by you and me as well, Dawood Ibrahim was supported in his initial years by this congress, particularly, Sharad Pawar. They were still using shahid Balwa’s hospitality not long ago. This Balwa is henchman of Dawood Ibrahim. How close these gangsters are now, near the Indian powers that be.

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@ Saarthak, SHenoy and everyone

Thanks for the link, Saarthak!

Seems Rahul Gandhi was indeed the waterboy !! The sycophants, the clowns and dunces of the Indian media who use connections to get posts and favours do everything possible to bolster the (un)royal family…

Here is a poem in honour of the “waterboy”

Waterboy, waterboy, where have u been ?
I have been to MOhali along with the queen

Water boy water boy, what did you do ?
The media kept applauding me,
Even when I went to the loo !!

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THAT SIRS IS THE STATE OF THE INDIAN MEDIA !!

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Dear Shenoy, rajeev, vijay

Did VINUU, MUNNU, Mr and Mrs. vatican agents (tehalka) have recovred frm the wednesday shocker ?

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Vinodji,

“A manda-buddhi prince, a buddhiheen pradhan mantri and two vipareeta buddhi jokers, mani Sankat and Digvinash, all dancing around the table, welcoming the terrorist Pak PM.”

@BV Shenoy
The comments do not befit you. I think you are capable of better arguments.

Regarding the clown prince, my own feeling is that he is a media creation. Even his own party leaders, if we are to give credence to the Wikileaks, say that he doen’t have it in him to adorne the simhasan, previously made famous by the likes of Nehru, Indira, Lal Bahadur Shastri, Rao and Vajapayee. His comments about the LeT being a benign organisation, makes me say even harsher things about him, but I confine myself to say that he is mand-buddhi.

About Mani Sankat and Digvinash, the whole world, including the American President, knows they are two of the lowliest scums mascarading as saintly seculars.

Now about MMS. I agree, I can be mild in my criticism, but he is treading on dangerous ground and has allowed his soul to be occupied by “laalach” for the hallowed seat.

Lastly, the Pak premier, though suited and booted in Armanis, is a terrorist art heart and he deserves the severest condemnation of all.

I rest my case.

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by the way , the journalist d*ckhead Vinod Mehta published his article in the Outlook magazine that India should have had let Pakistan win the semi finals as a “good gesture”

cannot imagine how sick this anti-India b@st@rd can get

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@ Paritosh,

Thank you for the link. I think a generation of mediapeople are sold out to be servile before Pakistan just to eat a few Kababs.

I saw a nice comment below Vinod Mehta’s article which summed up Indian feelings and I reproducing them here….
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Pakistan only got aggresive with its terror plans when it started winning the cricket matches in eighties which were fixed by it through Pakistani umpires and ball tampering. At that time a servile Indian press and some socialites in BOmbay over worshipped the Pakistani players painting them as Gods and handsome Gods at that.

Filmstars fell over them and even horsie looking Asif Iqbal managed to break a colonol’s marriage and fly off with his wife.

This encouraged the smiling cobra Gen Zia to launch terror in Punjab which Benazir reiforced by Kashmiri terror and then terror all over India !! They felt that Indians would totter in real life, while the press would get floored by the Pakistani personlity

Thankfully our new gen finds Yuvraj, Dhoni, Zaheer and Virat more sexy then say Ajmal, Younous, Omar Gul and Razzaq. Possibly your generation lived in the black and white TV age and fell fot its own spiel of thundorous Gods from Pakistan racing in with pace bowling on color TV.
Good that India thrashed them and won the world cup.

This would definately make them realise that the world has seen throw thier lies and make them give up terror and jehad…. “

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The real Afridi comes out the moment he reaches Pakistan.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/cricket/world-cup-2011/Indians-not-as-large-hearted-as-Pakistanis-Afridi/cricketnews/SP-Article10-681068.aspx

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@ Vinod Sharma

Sir, what do you think of Afridi’s comments? Just when Vinod Mehta comes out with the idea that we should make Pakistanis “happy’ by losing to them, Afridi seems to have revealed the real Pakistani inside him.

I think you can “never’ buy love by being servile, which peaceniks like Mani Aiyar and Vinod Mehta want us to be.

instead a good caning on the bum by a strict headmaster can make an errant schoole boy change his bad habits !!

And that is what the Indian team did to the Pakistanis !!

Ha ha ah !! Ha ah

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Vinodji,

Please read Mohan Ramchandani’s and Vijay Kumar’s comments above, carefully. These are the feelings of ordinary Indians. What Afridi has said, too, are the comments of ordinary Pakistanis. Both show you peacenics are fighting a losing battle for the hearts and minds of Pakistanis. You are never going to win the battle.

I had nothing but warmth and goodwill for the Pakistanis when Afridi spoke like a true representative of the Pakistani people, at the post-match interview in Mohali. I thought he was being gracious in defeat. I thought, despite being a known boor and ganwar, cricket must have civilised him. But, how mistaken I and millions of others were by his fake humility and politically correct words!

There is also the spectacle of Gilani. When MMS was clapping at the end of the match, applauding India’s victory, Gilani showed his true reaction and lack of sportsmanhsip by sitting with his fists tightly closed and a glum face.

These are the true faces of Pakistan.

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Pl read this to understand how Afridi has hurt himself by the anti-India interview. The article was written before he lashed out at us:

To Afridi, With Love.

There’s a lot to be said about the cricket tournament, especially our match against India. And it has a lot more to do with Misbah-ul-Haq and Umar Gul’s bad luck, and Sachin Tendulkar’s good fortune.   Cricket speaks to our nation in a way our government …never has.   And Shahid Afridi addressed the nation in a way our president never has – unselfish, genuine, modest. So when Afridi apologized to Pakistan, millions listened and were humbled by the gesture.

Our eyes filled with tears and our hearts with love and strange kind of sorrow. Shahid Afridi, you need not apologize to the nation. We are proud of you and our entire cricket team! You didn’t bring back the cup, but any excitement, any happiness, any hope that Pakistanis have felt in the past few months is because of your brilliance. We’ve been hearing a lot of “Pakistan needs something to celebrate,” but what Pakistanis really needed was something to look forward to, and the green team gave us that with the anticipation of each game played.  

The funny thing about cricket is that it can unite the nation through a victory or a loss. It would have been wonderful to go out on the streets and celebrate with dhols, etc, as we did when we won the 20/20 Cricket World Cup in 2009. But even after our loss yesterday, the people of Pakistan, in their state of disbelief, came out and shared their sorrow. Misery loves company. Cars on streets, people driving around slowly, quietly, patiently. No honking, no cursing, no where to go, no where to escape. It was surreal. This only goes to show what cricket means to us and the massive void it fills for our nation.   Cricketers, you made us patriotic. You made us passionate. You made us proud.   And these precious adjectives are some that Pakistan rarely gets the chance to associate itself with.  

So again, Afridi, your apology is appreciated but not needed. You conducted yourself with patience, grace and dignity, encouraging your own with a smile, and congratulating the opponents with an even bigger smile. You didn’t win the semi-finals, but you won our hearts. Thank you for showing the world we are not an aggressive nation.  

To Pakistan, I propose this: if there’s anyone who needs to apologize it’s us.   So to Afridi and the team, I apologize for the pressure I put on you to win the World Cup. It comes from my own shortcomings. So lazy and so cowardly am I that I am incapable of creating for myself a reason to celebrate Pakistan. Since as far as I can remember, my patriotism has tenaciously clung to cricket. It is unfair. I know.  

Pakistanis who thought this was a match between Hindus and Muslims, I’m glad India won. This was  never a battle between nations, or a jehad against Hindus. It was a semi-final cricket match, and if a loss is what it took to be reminded of this then I’m glad we lost. Victory would have only made you gloat over something you had wrong all along anyway. 

However, if there was one thing I was relieved to discover it was that we don’t hate India. We may hate America, but we don’t hate India. No burning of the Indian flag, no bitter remarks, no threatening reaction. Phew! Just healthy competition and a pure love for the game.   So we don’t hate India.

In fact, we hate Zardari. What pleased me even more were the numerous text messages and facebook statuses I came across that poked fun at Zardari.

 My personal favourite is, “ We congratulate India on winning the semi-finals. As a good-will gesture, India can keep Pakistan’s prime minister. And if it wins the finals, we will give our president too.”  

Ahhh, Zardari jokes. They never get old. He’s our scapegoat now. It’s his fault we lost. Somehow.   That being said, think. It’s time we stop asking of our cricketers something we should have been asking of ourselves. Or our government. Lets find ourselves a reason to be patriotic and celebrate Pakistan, and let cricket be a sport, not an identity. If we all just took a little responsibility, maybe our beloved team can finally approach the pitch as cricketers, not as soldiers entering the battlefield. We owe it to them.   Welcome back, boys!   This article has been written by Maheen Sadiq

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Frankly speaking I think India deserved such kind of statement from Afridi. We have habit of bending backwards to appease pakistan and were responded in kind by Afridi.
Manmohan invited Gilani showing his large heartedness, no one said a word about Namaaz performed publicly on ground by pakistani team but this half-educated Afridi called Indians small hearted. What was he expecting India to do? Loose the Semi-finals???

Afridi represents Jinnah who used to rudely call Gandhi “WILY” whereas Gandhi used to call him “MERE BHAI”.

Th problem is pakistanis are sore losers and it has nothing to do with religion. It is their national psyche.

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Mr.Sharma,
Rather than making stupid statements, why don’t you shut me up with a blog slamming SOnia/Rahul for tolerating corruption? You always duck this challenge…You wily old Brahmin

Bachchu…You brahmins are opportunists..always on the side of ruler..whether muslim or brit or Italian…

C’mon accept the challenge O wily Brahmin… Janeau dhari…

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Please watch Afridi’s rant and also notice claps on his comment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KCnOue3Mxg

Just for information, it was rumored that Afridi’s cousin was a terrorist who was killed in Kashmir.

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Pankaj,
Sorry for slamming brahmins again but this was meant towards opportunist low-lives like Vinod Sharma.

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@ Pankaj, brilliant put down of this kind of cheap tu tu main main. In a kind way, many of us had gently chided Rajeev on this anti brahminst stance, which is as puerile as the anti hindu anti sikh chants oof pakistani mullahs!!!!!!
Pankaj- please come to the latest blog on cause celebre- a vigorous disc is going on there, no cheap name calling or

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Don’t believe everything these media jokers say!

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Excellent, Vir.
Public sector transport workers all over the world have got used to having their way by holding the government — and the public — to ransom.

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Looking at Kingfisher, one wonders whether even the private sector knows how to run an airline profitably.

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Zia;
You reiterated some reports or studies. these are US based people but you are India based journo, you tell us, what is lacking amongst muslim communities, which is making them going down and down. please eloborate on those factors. let us hear from you specifics and not some foreign reports. Come on, ready to listento you.

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Lack of muslim leadership in india most of the todays leaders r corrupt and selfish these leaders r distroying the lives of the muslims in india.

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Show me one place in the world where muslims statistically stand out as model citizens. In pre-independence India, there were the labourers and watch-men. In UK, where so many Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have settled, there are, as a group, worse off than the immigrants from the Caribbean.All across Europe North America and even in Australia and New Zealand, it is the same leit-motiff repeating over and over. There are certainly individual exceptions, but how can you ignore such large numbers all across the globe? The mullahs brainwash the muslims to view this as a conspiracy against muslims, not their own short coming.
Muslims demand respect, but will give no respect to minorities within their own lands. They are constant source of terror and criminality even in places as Thailand and Philippines, were the normal citizens are so calm and peace-loving. Malaysia is the only country in the world where muslims are doing somewhat better, but it also is the only country in the world to “reserve” jobs for the majority community, and they they are doing it without any guilt or shame.
Thanks to the minority appeasement policies of the ruling party in India, muslims have developed a sense of entitlement to the wealth being generated in India. But, they dont want to educate themselves, they dont want to live crime-free, Muslims from all over the country supported the Muslim League in breaking up the country, being 24.6% of the country’s population then, they were able to wrangle 30% of India’s land mass, and then over 70% of the Muslims did not leave for Pakistan, their promised land of choice. And now this Muslim wants the hard working Indians to fund the community that stabbed India, with freebies that equates them with all the others who have struggled to educate themselves and work hard day in and out for that.

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I am rather surprised that my comments have been deleted. I have only tried to get at the bottom of the problem of crying victim hood by Muslim leaders. The community should look inside and see what practices makes them go to the bottom of the ladders in performance indices as compared to say Christians, Sikhs and Hindus and Jews world over.

There is no point in believing that Muslims are deliberately denied jobs because of religion. Most exams for government jobs have a roll no which does not identify the religion. Bad performance to qualify is due to bad education and beliefs. period.

Victimhood mentality will only create more crutches. Instead free the women from bad personal law and see the difference.

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Why are all Indian govts pro Hindu when the politician only cares about his/her wealth and power, being the worshipper only of the god of wealth? Because without the Hindu vote, no politician worth his P can ever hope to take part in an election, let alone win one. Indian Muslims too have made the same point but it took them so many years after Independance – now several political parties realise that Muslims of India are as much important to them as the Hindus are – for without the Muslim vote no party can hope to get a clear majority. This is what Mamata banerjee have realised; the same gyan have dawned onto the SP, TDP, BSP, DMK – remaining regional / national parties have to realise the same too. Even the BJP is getting closer to it but is shying away from embracing the same gyan whole-heartedly. Unless all political parties fully realise that without the Indian Muslims contribution to the political beggar’s bowl and so this community can no longer be ignored, no Sachar recommendations are ever going to be accepted or implemented.

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@ssraja, please answer the points factually and second them with statistical data. Please, I am no RSS chaddi-walla, I cherish the freedom that Hinduism offers, to be critcial of anything that my rationale and (limited) intellect permits, and when i say anything…it really means everything. I am so relieved and blessed that I am not a blinkered and shackled nuthead, ready to invert logic and truth and accept wild unsubstanciated conspiracies, be blind to the beastiality and brutality chronicled in my scriptures, get into rampages when in a mob.
tarnish any recounting of recorded facts as “hate”. What is the worth an value of the secular education that has been sqaundered on you, that you are unable to reflect recorded and accepted facts as “hate”. Go and burn out the Bukhari’s collection if you feel so outraged, try your best to put a decent mask for the pedophle, caravan-bandit, mass-murderer, torturer, slave-merchant “rangila ras00l”.

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i said mr rss that the foreign exchange came to india by muslims working in middle east which helped india when there were no reforms no IT industry there were no exports
then india was in need of foreign exchange.

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@Saad, M.N Roy was no historian of any repute, he at the best would be as bad in History as was our Chacha Nehru. Will and Ariel Durant were eminent historians who have earned the resounding approval of Historians all over the world. They have termed the Islamic conquest of India as the most brutal and most reprehensible conquest in the annals of World History. Please don’t pass this entire bunch of marxists and pseudo-marxists apologetic drivel as authentic.You want the real dope, read M.A.Khan’s Islamic Jihad and there you will find the translations of the gory details from the chroniclers of each of those slave scoundrels till our great “freedom fighter” Tipu Sultan. And that will open a real pathway for you to understand how some direct ancestor of yours had to lick the boots of some barbarian and had to “honour” himself by accepting Islam, to prevent his head being separated from his torso and to prevent his wife and children being sold into slavery. I am so bemused to read inversions of truth of the direct descendants of those who had to be traumatized; as if the gory details in the K0ran and the bestiality in the H@diths were not reason enough to debunk this terrible baggage of history, when India was down on its knees under the constant flow of bandits from Central Asia.

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I think you will call anybody who tries to get us Muslims out of this evil personal law, our backward mindset, our intention to fight all as stupid.

You, must be a moron.

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@ Saad

life is all about today.

If you talk about past glories and apply the rules of yesterday… I am afraid you will be like Geoffery Boycott playing 20-20

No group of people are let down by a few leaders. Its is a collective mindset which needs to change. If yo cling on to a fallacy that everything as per the book and new knowledge be damned, well the state of the Muslims would be as it is today world over. Just lagging behind the world except in places where oil is found.

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ISLAMIC PHILOSOPHY
THE age of Arabian learning lasted about five hundred years, and coincided with the darkest period of European history. During the same period, India also was lying prostrate, under the triumphant Brahmanical reaction which had subverted or corrupted Buddhism. Eventually, it was, thanks to the inglorious success of having overcome the Buddhist revolution, that India fell such an easy prey to’ Muslim invaders.
Under the enlightened reign of the Abbassides, the Fatemites and the Ommiades rulers, learning and culture prospered respectively In Asia, North-Africa and Spain. From Samarqand and Bokhara to Fez and Cordova, numerous scholars studied and taught astronomy, mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine and music. The invaluable treasure of Greek philosophy and learning had been burled under the intolerance and superstition of the Christian Church. Had it not been for the Arabs, It would have been irretrievably lost, and the dire consequence of such a mishap can be easily imagined.
Vain piety and hypocritical holiness induced the Christians to spurn the science of antiquity as profane. In consequence of that vanity of Ignorance, the peoples of Europe were plunged into the medieval darkness which threatened to be bottomless and interminable. The happy resurrection of the divine light of knowledge, lit by the sages of ancient Greece, at long last dissipated the depressing darkness of Ignorance and superstition prejudice and intolerance, and snowed the European peoples the way to material prosperity, intellectual progress and ,spiritual liberation. It was through the Arabian philosophers and scientists that the rich patrimony of Greek learning reached the fathers of modem rationalism and the pioneer of scientific research, Roger Bacon, was a disciple of the Arabs. In the opinion of Humboldt, the Arabians are to be considered “the proper founders of the physical sciences, in the signification of the term which we are now accustomed to give it.” {“Kosmos”, Vol. II.)
Experiment and measurement are the great instruments with the aid of which they made a path for progress, and raised themselves to a position of the connecting link between the scientific achievements of the Greek and those of the modern time.
AI Kandi, AI Hassan, AI Farabi, Avicena, Al Gazali, Abubakr, Avempace, Al Phetragius. (The Arabian names are so contracted in historical works written in European languages) -these are names memorable in the annals of human culture; and the fame of the great Averroes has been 1mmortalised as that of the man who made the forerunners of modern civilization acquainted with the genius of Aristotle, thereby giving an inestimable impetus to the struggle of the European humanity to liberate itself from the paralyzing influence of theological bigotry and sterile scholasticism. The epoch-making role of the great Arab rationalist, who flourished in the first half of the twelfth century under the enlightened patronage of the Sultan 0! Andalusia, is eloquently depicted by the well-known saying of Roger Bacon: “Nature was interpreted by Aristotle, and Aristotle interpreted by Averroes.”
The standard of spiritual revolt against the authority of the Christian Church, and the domination of theology, was hoisted in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries. The rationalist rebels drew their inspiration from the scientific teachings of the great philosophers of ancient Greece, and these they learned from the Arabian scholars, particularly Averroes.
The bigotry of the pious Justinian, in the beginning of the sixth century, finally purged the holy world of Christian superstition of the remaining vestiges of pagan learning. The last Greek scholars were forced to leave the ancient seats of learning. They emigrated from the Roman Empire, and sought refuge in Persia; but there also sacerdotal intolerance proved equally hostile to profane learning. Eventually, the derelict science of Athenian culture found a hospitable home in the court of the Abbassides Khalifs of Baghdad who were so impressed by the wisdom of those foreign infidels that neither Koran, nor sword was offered to them. On the contrary, all the remaining votaries of ancient learning, whose knowledge ridiculed faith, and indulgently smiled at all religion, were invited to accept the liberal hospitality of the Commander of the faithful.
The Khalifs not only took the exiled Greek scholars under their protection. They dispatched competent men to different parts of the Roman Empire with the instruction and the means to collect all the available works of the sages of ancient Greece. The precious works of Aristotle, Hipparchus, Hyppocrates, Galen and other scientists were translated into the Arabian language, and the Khalifs gave every encouragement to the propagation of those irreligious teachings throughout the Muslim world. Schools established at State expense disseminated scientific knowledge to thousands of students belonging to all classes of society,-”from the son of the noble to that of the mechanic”. Poor students received education free, and teachers were handsomely remunerated for their services which were held at the highest esteem. The Arab historian, Abul Faragius, records the following views of Khalif Al Mamon regarding the men of leaning: “They are the elect of God, his best and most useful servants, whose lives are devoted to the improvement of their rational faculties. The teachers of wisdom are the true luminaries and legislators of a world which without their aid would again sink into ignorance an barbarism.
The current notion of the bigotry and fanaticism of Islam loses all historical authenticity when it is known that the men of learning so highly appreciated by the successors of the Prophet, were mostly devoid of any religious fervour, not a few of them holding views frankly heretical; and the general burden of their teachings was the assertion of the reason of man as the only standard of truth. History does not provide the critical student with many instances of the head of a religious order encouraging the “improvement of rational faculties”, as Khalif Al Mamon did. For, the cultivation of rational faculties is entirely incompatible with faith. Yet, Al Manon was but one of the illustrious lines of Abbassides Khalifs who not only encouraged the propagation of scientific knowledge, but themselves participated in it. Nor were the enlightened Abbassides an exception.
The Fatemites of Africa and the Omminades of Spain rivaled them in political power, material prosperity as well as in the patronage and propagation of knowledge. The library of Cairo contained over one hundred thousand volumes; whereas Cordova boasted of six times as many. This fact gives lie to another calumny which depicts the rise of Islam as an eruption of savage fanaticism, namely, the tale of the destruction of the famous library of Alexandria. One must have a pious mind or credulous disposition to believe that those who took delight in founding and supporting such noble seats of learning, would have callously set fire to the library of Alexandria; that, those who command the gratitude of mankind for having saved its most precious patrimony, could have possibly begun by contributing to the destruction of that treasure. When dispassionate and scientific study of history dissipates legends and discredits malicious tales, the rise of Islam stands out not as a scourge but a blessing for the mankind.
While books written in the eleventh and twelfth century indignantly detail the shocking tale of the burning of the library of Alexandria, the historians Eustichius and Elmacin, both Egyptian Christians, who wrote soon after the Saracen conquest of their country, are significantly silent about the savage act. The former, a patriarch of Alexandria, could be hardly suspected of partiality to the enemies of Christianity. An order of Khalif Omar has been usually cited as evidence of the barbarous act ascribed to his general. It would have been much easier not to record that order than to suppress any historical work composed by Christian prelates who had endless possibilities of concealing their composition. A diligent examination of all relevant evidence enabled Gibbon to arrive at the following opinion on the matter: “The rigid sentence of Omar is repugnant to the sound and orthodox precept of the Mohammedan Casuits; they expressly declare that the religious books of the Jews and Christians, which are acquired by the right of war, should never be committed to the flames, and that the works of profane scientists, historians or poets, physicians or philosophers, may be lawfully applied to the use of the faithful.” (“Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire”).
Since history began to be written with impartial criticism, the tale of the destruction of the Alexandrian library has either been discredited or subjected to grave doubt. In any case, at the time of the Saracen conquest, the library of Alexandria had ceased to be the repository of the valuable records of Greek learning. Long before that time, Alexandria had enshrined Christian bigotry in the place of scientific knowledge and philosophical wisdom. The character of the contents of the library must have changed accordingly. The pagan scholars, driven by Christian intolerance away from the seat of ancient learning, must have carried away the treasures they valued more than all other things. If the flame was actually lit by the order of Omar, it consumed ponderous tomes of theological controversy which had done immensely more harm than good to mankind. The fire of Islam might have consumed the none too precious records of vain and futile theological disputations; but the admirable ardour the free-thinking Khalifs collected, preserved and improved the valuable records of ancient learning which had left the Alexandrian library before its useless and pernicious contents were put to the flames.
Byzantine barbarism had undone the meritorious work of the Ptolymies. The real destruction of the Alexandrian seat of learning had been the work of St. Cyril who defiled the Goddess of learning in the famous fair of Hyparia. That was already in the beginning of the fifth century. The Christian Saint would not tolerate that philosophical lectures and mathematical discourses held by a young pagan woman should be patronized by the elite of Alexandrian society, while the pious but incomprehensible sermons of the Archbishop were attended only by the rebels. If he was no match intellectually, he possessed the power to eliminate competition once for all Under his instigation, the rebels, led by a regiment of monks burning with religious frenzy, attacked the seat of Alexandrian learning and, in the name of religion, perpetrated crimes too painful to be recorded and too shameful to be remembered.
“Thus, in the four hundred and fourteenth year of our era, the position of philosophy in the intellectual metropolis of the world was determined; henceforth, science must sink into obscurity and subordination. Its public existence will no longer be tolerated. Indeed, it may be said that from this period for some centuries it altogether disappeared. The leaden mace of bigotry had struck and shivered the exquisitely tempered steel of Greek philosophy. Cyril’s act passed unquestioned. It was now ascertained that throughout the Roman world, there must be no more liberty of thought…..Such assertions might answer their purposes very well so long as the victors maintained their power in Alexandria, but they manifestly are of inconvenient application after the Saracens had captured the city. For the next two dreary and weary centuries, things remained, until oppression and force were ended by foreign invaders. It was well for the world that the Arabian conquerors avowed their true argument, the scimitar, and made no pretensions to superhuman wisdom. They were thus left free to pursue knowledge without involving themselves in theological contradictions, and were able to make Egypt once more illustrious among the nations the earth,-to snatch it from the hideous fanaticism, ignorance and barbarism into which it had been plunged.” (Draper, “The History of the Intellectual Development of Europe,” Vol. 1, p. 325).
The works of the sages of ancient Greece were not only rescued, collected and preserved by the Arabs. They were profuse commented and improved upon. Complete works of Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, Appolonius, Ptolemy, Hyppocrates and Galen were available to the fathers of modern Europe at first only in Arabic versions, accompanied by erudite commentaries. Modern Europe learned from the Arabs not only medicine and mathematics. The science of astronomy, which widens the vision of man and reveals before him the mechanical laws of nature, was jealously cultivated by the Arabs. With the aid of new instruments of observation, Arab philosophers acquired exact knowledge about the circumference of the earth the position and number of planets. In their hand, astronomy began to outgrow its primitive form, (divinations of Astrology), cultivated more or less by the priests of all Oriental countries, and to develop into an exact science. Although algebra had been invented by Diophantus of Alexandria, it did not become an object of common study until the age of Arabic learning. As a matter of fact, the name of the science has given currency to the theory of its Arabian origin. But the Arabs themselves modestly acknowledged their indebtness to the Greek master. Botany was studied for medical purposes; yet the discovery of two thousand varieties of plants by Dioscorides represented the birth of a new science. Alchemy was a secret, jealously guarded by the priests of ancient Egypt. It was also practiced at Babylon. In a much later period, rudiments of chemistry were also known to the physicians of India. But the science of chemistry owes its origin and initial developments to the industry of the Arabs. “They first invented and named the alembic for the purposes of distillation; analyzed the substances of the three kingdoms of nature; tried the distinction and amenities of alkalis and acids; and converted the precious minerals into soft and salutary medicine.” (Gibbon).
It was in the science of medicine that the Arabs made the greatest progress. Masua and Geber were worthy disciples of Galen, and substantially added to what they had learned from the great master. Avicena, born in distant Bokhara, in the tenth century, reigned in Europe as the undisputed authority of the medical science for five hundred years. The school of Salermo, until the sixteenth century, was the centre of medical learning in Europe. It owed its origin to the Saracens and taught the lessons of Avicena.
The distinctive merit of the Arab scholars was the zeal to acquire knowledge through observation. They discarded the vanity of airy speculation, and stood firmly on the ground known to them. That great merit of Arabian learning is decisively evidenced in the following view of its Doyen Averroes: “The religion peculiar to philosophers is the study of that which is; for no sublimer worship can be given to God than the knowledge of his works, which leads to the knowledge of him and his reality. That is the noblest action in His eyes; the vilest is taxing, as error and vain presumption, the efforts of those who practice this worship, and who in this religion have the purest of religions.” A religion which permitted the propagation of such irreligious views, though garbed in a pious phraseology, could not have its origin in intolerance and fanaticism. For this heterodox view, the philosopher, of course, incurred the wrath of the priesthood; but much more of the Christian than the Muslim.
After a short banishment, Averroes was restituted in his position in the court of the Sultan of Andalusia, and his books survived proscription in the Islamic world. But from their Latin version, the above and similar passages were expunged. Yet, the heretic movements of Europe, during the twelfth, thirteenth and fourteenth century, drew their inspiration from the suppressed teachings of the Arab philosopher; and it was the heretic movement that shook the foundation of the Catholic Church which had held Europe in spiritual subordination throughout the middle-ages. From the twelfth century onwards, until the triumph of modern learning, Averroism was analogous to heresy in the horrified eye of Christian holiness. And it was for nothing that it was so. For, alone the passage quoted above indicated the surest point of departure for the quest of positive knowledge which eventually cleared away the debris of ignorance, sanctified as faith, and glorified as virtue on the authority of theological dogmas.
In this passage, Averroes stated the basic principle of the inductive method-the surest way to true knowledge. On the preconceived notion of a creator is set aside, and of is made to know him (as distinct from the blind faith in his existence) in his reality through the empirical knowledge of his works, that is, nature, the divine object, recedes farther and farther, until it vanishes Into nothingness,- the only demonstrable reality about his existence; and a religion which promoted that singular quest for the knowledge of God certainly represented the greatest advance of human ideology under the garb of religion. The latest of Great Religions, Islam was the greatest; and as such destroyed the basis of all religions. That is the essence of its historical significance.
The centre of Islam and Arabic learning was in those very historical regions where the older civilizations of the Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Persians and Greeks had arisen, clashed and fallen. The positive outcome of those earlier civilizations went into the making of the Arabian culture, and the remarkable Monotheism of Mohammad made its own the cardinal principles of the religion of those ancient peoples. It stands to the credit of the Arabian philosophers that they, for the first time, conceived the sublime idea of a common origin of all religions. Not only did they hold the view, singularly broad for the epoch, that all religions were so many efforts of the human mind to solve the great mysteries of life and nature; they went so much farther as to make the bold suggestion that the effort more reconcilable with reason was the greater, nobler and sublimer. This rationalistic view of religion attained the highest clarity in the mind of Averroes.
Thus, together with the invaluable metaphysical and scientific teachings of the sages of Athens and Alexandria, the Arabs contributed something original to the foundation of modern civilization. It was skepticism-that powerful solvent of all faith. As soon as criticism challenges credulity, a new light dawns on the perspective of human progress. A curious book, anonymously published with the title “Three Imposters”, occupies a prominent place in the early history of skepticism in Europe. The credit for that scandalous composition was attributed e1ther to the heretical Christian Emperor Frederic Barbarossa, or the Muslim philosopher Averroes. The imposters were Moses, Christ and Mohammad. One of the suspected authors was a Christian and the other was a Mussulman. Religion certainly had fallen in bad days.
There had been skepticism before the thirteenth century, but no real incredulity. This doctrine and that had been disputed or rejected; but the foundation of Christian faith had never been touched. It was this foundation which was assailed when the idea was conceived that all religions have a common ground. If all religions are essentially the same, then the doctrine and dogmas peculiar to each other should be discarded as pernicious obstacles to the realization of the spiritual unity of mankind. But freed from doctrines and dogmas, religion has no leg to stand upon. Its rationalization amounts to its destruction. The revolutionary idea of the common origin of all religions was conceived for the first time by the Arab thinkers.

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Saad

You are quiet a bore. Pretty boring.

How so you assume that all the scientists and philosphers you talked about were actually Muslims.

Are Vikram sarabhai Homi Bhaba, Newton, einsteisn, Abdul Kalam, identified by religion?

In the same manner many of the architects, scientistts you boast about would just be accidently born with Muslim names.

Get over this inferiority complex that you hav e 1% Arab sperm in your genes so you are superior. That is all claptrap drilled into you. None of the invading armies into India came with women.

Show me one painting of those times which show women on a horseback. Infact woman on a burka cannot mount a horse. Recognise your true genes and live today as an Indian

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@ Parvez

Beautifully stated man!!

I am taking this quote from your writing for posting to friends

——–”Why do we see our leaders rush to defend this anti-women Muslim personal law? Is it love for Islam?
NO!
it is a broom for suppressing women by giving men an unequal right in marriages.
In case all these leaders loved islam so much, they would have fought for implementation of the Sharia as much as they do for this Muslim personal law. Why don’t we see the Muslim leaders begging that all Muslim criminals in India should get their hands chopped ?
If Sharia law is no longer required today neither is this Muslim personal law which discrimantes against women. “

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LEARNING FROM HINDUS AND CHRISTIANS:– child marriages

There is no harm in us Muslims in learning from people who have done better than us. In the case of child marriage Muslims have a lot a lot a lot to learn as they have to do in the field of women’s rights.

Some days back an idiotic, foolish and downright court judgement sanctifying child marriages of Muslim girls at the age of 14. As expected all TV Musims– Kamal Farooqi, Sadia Dehlvi and the gang rushed to support this judgement citing Sharia, some chapter in Hadith and the foolish notion that Muslim girls will get “spoilt” in case they are not married early.

All the Congress, SP. Left and national leaders remained quiet lest they lose votes by offending Muslim sentiments. Just showed their hollowness the fact that they are no well wishers of Muslims.

Only Kalbe Sadiq spoke up against it.

NOW SEE THE CONTRAST.

The Khap Panchayat in Haryana asked for child marriages to prevent girls from rape. Chautala, another idiot like Farooqi supported it.

BUT MOST INDIANS, HINDUS AND CHRISTIANS AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES HAVE COME OUT AGAINST IT.

Nobody is talking that Hindu sentiments will be hurt.

Wrong is wrong. Whether for Muslim, Hindu or christian.

WHY CAN’T WE LEARN FROM THEM INSTEAD OF CONJURING UP FAKE VICTIMHOOD STORIES AND DRUMBEATING THE GLORY OF 9TH OR 12 TH CENTURY?

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Wow Dronacharya!!

I think you need to have a beer and relax. ALl the hatred and falswe history will come out if you dance on Daler Mehdi’s tunes!

Be liberal.. be free. No book is perfect. Islamic texts need to recognise the rights of Non Muslims, the right to leave Islam, the right of women, the rights of Qadianis and Hindus and CHrtistians.

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suppose if her father die when she is 14.marriage will be best option.why u have no heart for millioms of indian girls of 14 rotting in various brothels of india.will the marriage not be best option for her.india 14 years girls are raped daily.usually those muslim girls who have proper house girls get marry at 23plus.same as hindu house.
vijay awnser i am blme u or anybody.90%of child marriages take place in villages mostly by hindus.

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we are muslims we are for one wife 4 in special cases. u hindus are one wife and hundreds illegemate relations.

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@ Engrich

Why dont you dress up as a Muslim woman and live like that for a month. You will discover a new world.

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Actions ReplyReply allForwardDeleteJunkMark as unreadMark as readDelete all from senderPrint messageView message sourceShow message historyHide message historyShow detailsHide detailsMusheer Siddiqui4/4/2012 To: m aFrom:Musheer Siddiqui (mssk47@yahoo.com) This sender is in your contact list.Sent:Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:18:06 AMTo: m a (mssk46@hotmail.com)IQBAL ACADEMY SCANDINAVIA The teaching of the Qur’an that life is a process of progressive creation necessitates that each generation, guided but unhampered by the work of its predecessors, should be permitted to solve its own problems.
(The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam) SHAKWA AND JAWAB-I SHAKWA(THE COMPLAINT AND RESPONSE TO THE COMPLAINT)BY DR. SIR MUHAMMAD IQBAL
Iqbal wrote the two poems, “Shakwa” and “Jawab-i Shakwa” (Complaint to God and its Response), in early twentieth century. It was the prime time of his poetic revelation, which is called his third period that began in 1908 and ended at his death in 1938. During that time Muslims in India had almost lost their entity as a nation. They had become the most oppressed community in British ruled India. A little before Iqbal, Sir Syed Ahmad Khan (1817-1898) had realised that the major cause of Indian Muslims’ misfortune was their illiteracy and the lack of knowledge. After a long struggle and much hardship he succeeded in establishing an Anglo Oriental College at Aligarh which later on became a university. Presently this university is a big place of learning and research in India. This university became a source of self-awareness among a negligible portion of Muslim minority in India. However, the masses of the community remained deprived of education and ultimately remained suffering in all parts of life. Due to poverty and lack of resources they were unable to educate their children. Among those who were lucky and got education remained unable to get a job. They remained jobless as all the fields of life and key posts were occupied and dominated by non-Muslims and the British. Such a situation gave birth to the persons like Altaf Husain Hali, Shibli Nomani, Maulana Zafar Ali Khan, Ali Brethren, and others who worked in their respective fields to fight for the rights of Muslims. All of them were contemporaries of Iqbal and were among the front-line fighters for freedom. However Iqbal stood alone with his powerful poetic way to waken self confidence in the people of his community. He and his contemporaries (named above) were able to move the masses and carried them forward on the road to get rid of the British rule. Iqbal nurtured the minds of the people and changed the direction of the society through his melodious voice reciting his own songs in a touching way reminding them of their past glory. He was the person who discovered a leader like Muhammad Ali Jinnah and convinced him to lead the nation under whose banner Muslims of India were united and marched towards independence till the world saw a new country “Pakistan” emerged on the world map with the rising sum of the morning of August 14, 1947.
Iqbal’s poem “Shakwa” was one of his most thrilling poems, which he recited personally in the month of April 1911 at the annual session of Anjuman Himayat-i Islam held in the compound of Islamia College, Lahore. It was largely applauded and subsequently published in the magazines and journals of the country. This poem consists of 31 stanzas having six verses each. In the poem Iqbal has highlighted Islam’s living traditions in such a way that it strikes the very heart of a person. The carefully selected and well-knit words of the poem were immensely effective. They filled the hearts of a deprived nation with new life, courage and enthusiasm. The poem “Shakwa” is a unique example of a complaint to God. We have used English translation from Dr. M.A.K. Khalil’s Call of the Marching Bell, which is English rendering of Iqbal’s Bang-i Dara.
In the first stage of this poem Iqbal counts the chivalrous deeds of the Muslims reminding them of their past glory when they happened to be the leaders and teachers of mankind. They implemented the rule of God on the earth and brought revolutionary reforms in the states under their control where justice prevailed. Hereunder I quote three stanzas from this part of “Shakwa”:
Ham jo jeetey thay to jangon ki museebat ke liyeAur marte thay tirey naam ke azmat ke liyeThi na kuch tegh zani apnee hukumat key liyeSar bakaf phirte thay kiya dhar men daulat ke liye?Qaum apni jo zaro-maal-i jahan par martiBut faroshi ke iwaz but shikani kiyum karti?
(If we lived we lived for the calamities of warsIf we died we died for the grandeur of Thy nameWe did not wield the sword for our kingdomsDid we roam about the world fearlessly for wealth?If our nation had been greedy of worldly wealth Why would we have been idol breakers instead of idol sellers?)
Mahfil-i kaun-o Makan men sahar-o sham phirayMa-i tauheed ko ley kar sifat-i jam phirayKoh men’ dasht mey ley kar tira paigham phirayAur maaloom hay tujh ko kabhi nakaam phirayDasht to dasht hain darya bhi na chorey hamnay Bahr-i zulmaat men daura diy-e ghorey hamnay
(We continuously wandered all over the worldWe wandered like the wine cup with Tawhid’s[1] wineWe wandered with Thy message in the mountains, in the desertsAnd doth Thou know whether we ever returned unsuccessful?What of the deserts! we did not spare even oceans!We galloped our horses in the dark ocean.?)
Safah-i dhar se batil ko mitaya hamneyNau-i insan ko ghulami se churaya hamneyTerey kaabe ko jabeenon sey bassaya hamneyTerey Qur’an ko seeno sey lagaya hamneyPhir Bhi hamsey ye gila hai ke wafadar naheen Ham wafadar naheen too bhi to dildar naheen
(We effaced falsehood from the earth’s surfaceWe freed the human race from bonds of slaveryWe filled Thy Kaa’ba with our foreheadsWe put Thy Qur’an to our heartsStill Thou complaineth that we are lacking fealty If we are lacking fealty Thou also art not generous.)
The second part shows the state of decline of Muslim nation. But Iqbal has projected this aspect so beautifully that instead of creating a sense of despair and destitute in the mind it inspires a new vigour and courage to stand up and deal with rival forces. Quoted hereunder are three stanzas of this part:
Ummaten aur bhi hain un men gunahgaar bhi hain Ijz waley bhi hain mast-i ma-e pindar bhi hainInmey kahil bhi hain ghafil bhi hain hushyar bhi hain Saikron hain ke tirey naam se bezaar bhi hainRahmaten hain teri aghyar ke kashanon parBarq girti hai to becharey musalmanon par
(There are other nations, among them are sinners alsoThere are modest people and arrogant ones alsoAmong them are slothful, indolent as well as clever peopleThere are also hundreds who are disgused with Thy nameThy graces descend on the other people’s abodesLightning strikes only the poor Muslims’ abodes.)
But sanam khanon men kahte hain musalmaan gaiHai khushi unko ke Kaabey key nigehbaan gaiManzil-i dhar se unton ke hudi khuwan gaiApni baghlon men dabba-e huey Qur-an ghaiKhanda zan kufr hai ehsaas tujhe hai ke naheenApniTauhid ka kuch paas tujhe hai ke naheen
(The idols in temples say ‘The Muslims are gone’They are glad that the Ka’bah’s sentinels are goneFrom the world’s stage the hudi[2] singers are goneThey, with the Qur’an in their arm pits, are gone.Infidelity is mocking , hast Thou some feeling or not?Dost Thou have any regard for Thy own Tawhid or not?)
Bani aghyar ki ab chahne wali dunyaRahgai apne liye ek khayali dunyaHam to rukhsat hue auron ney sanbhali dunya Phir na kahna hui Tauheed se khali dunyaHam to jeetey hain ke dunya men tera naam raheKaheen mumkin hai ke saaqi na rahey jaam rahe?
(Now the world is the lover of othersFor us it is only an imaginary worldWe have departed, others have taken over the worldDo not complain now that the world has become devoid of TawhidWe live with the object of spreading Thy fame in the worldCan the wine cup exist if the cup bearer does not live?)
The third part of Shakwa is a direct complaint to God. Three beautiful stanzas of this part are quoted as under:
Ye shikayat naheen hain unke khazane maamoor Naheen mahfil men jinhen baat bhi karne ka shaoorQahr to ye hai ke kafir ko milen ****-o qasoorAur becharey musalman ko faqat waida-i hoorAb wo altaaf naheen ham pe inaayaat naheenBaat ye kiya hai ke pheli si madaraat naheen
(We do not complain that their treasures are fullWho are not in possession of even basic social gracesOutrageous that infidel are rewarded with Houries and palaces And the poor Muslims are placated with only promise of Houries
We have been deprived of the former graces and favoursWhat is the matter, we are deprived of the former honours.)
Ishq ki khair wo pehli si ada bhi na sahiJada paimaiye tasleemo raza bhi na sahi Muztarib dil sifat-i qiblanuma bhi na sahiAur paabandiye aaeen-i wafa bhi na sahiKabhi hamse kabhi ghairon se shanasai haiBaat kahney ki naheen too bhi to harjai hai
(Granted that Love has not the former elegance alsoWe may have lost treading the path of Love alsoWe have lost the restless heart like the compass alsoAnd we may have lost the observance of fidelity’s rules alsoThou art changing friendship between us and othersIt is difficult to say but Thou art also unfaithful.)
Sarey faraan pey kiya deen ko kamil too ne Ek isharey pe haszroon kay liye dil tooneAathish andoz kiya ishq ka hasil toonePhoonk di garmiye rukhsaar sey mahfil tooneAaj kiyun seene hmare sharar aabaad naheenHam wohee sokhta saamaan hain tujhey yaad naheen?
(Thou perfected the Din on the peak of Faran[3]Thou captivated the hearts of thousands in a momentThou consumed the produce of Love with the fire Thou burned the congregation with Thy face’s fireWhy are not our breasts filled with love’s sparks now?We are the same lovers, dost Thou not remember now?)
The fourth part of Shakwa is the ending of this poem. Here we find Iqbal singing as a nightingale in a garden praying and expressing his sentiments in the most beautiful and touching manner. Out of these we quote below four stanzas;
Wadiye najd men wo shor-i salasil na raha, Qais deewana-i nazzarai mehmil na rahaHausley wo na rahey ham na rahey dil na rahaGhar ye ujra hai ke too raunaq-i mahfil na rahaAye khush aan rooz ke aayee wa basad naaz aayeeBay hijabana su-i mahfil-i maa baaz aayee
(The noise of lover’s chains in the Najd’s valley has disappeared Qais has no more remained longing for the litter’s sightThose old ambitions, we, as well as the heart have disappeared The house is destroyed as Thou art not present in the houseO that happy day when Thou with elegance will come backWhen Thou unveiled to our congregation will come back.)
Mushkilen ummat-i marhoom ki aasaan ka deMoor-i bey maya ko hamdosh-i Sulaiman ka deJins-i nayab-i mohabbat ko phir arzaan kardeHind key der nasheeno ko musalmaan kardeJoo-i khoon mi chakad az hasrat-i derina-i maMee tapad nala ba nashtarkada-i seena-i ma
(Make easy the difficulties of the blessed UmmahPlace the poor ant shoulder to shoulder to Sulaiman[4]Make the invaluable produce of Love accessible againChange the idolatrous Muslims of India into Muslims againA stream of blood drips from the frustrations mineWailing palpitates in the wounded breast of mine!)
Boo-i gul lay gai bairoon-i chaman raaz-i chamanKiya qayaamat hai ke khud phool hain ghammaz-i chamanAhd-i gul khatm hua toot gaya saz-i chamanUr gai daliyon se zamzama pardaz-i chamanEk bulbul hai ke hai mahv-i tarannum abtakUske seeney men hai naghmoon ka talatum abtak
(The rose’ fragrance took garden’s secret outside the gardenOutrageous that flowers themselves are informers against the gardenThe spring is over, broken is the orchestra of the garden Flown away from branches are the songsters of the gardenOnly nightingale is left which is singing stillIn its breast overflows the flood of songs still.[5])
Lutf marney men hai baqi na maza jeeney menKuch maza hai to yihee khoon-i jigar peeney menKitney betaab hain johar mirey aaeeney menKis Qadar jalway taraptey hain mirey seeney men Is Gulistaan men magar dekhnay waley hi naheenDaagh jo seene men rakhte hoon wo lalay hi naheen
(There is no pleasure in dying and no taste in living isIf there is any pleasure, it in bearing this affliction isMany a virtue is restless in my mirror!Many an effulgence is fluttering in my breast!But there is none in this garden to see themThere is no poppies[6] with love’s stains in their breasts).
After one year of reciting Shakwa Iqbal presented Jawab-i Shakwa in a huge gathering in 1913 at a famous public place Outside Mochi Gate of Lahore City. Jawab-I Shakwa contains 36 stanzas of six lines or verses each. This thrilling poem in a way was a call from God rather than a reply to Iqbal’s complaint. It added fire to the already boiling blood of the nation after Iqbal’s Shakwa, as a result of the Indian Muslims arose with a new life filled with enthusiasm, courage and a determination to change their fate. Inspired by Iqbal’s songs they were united, fought the war of independence and achieved victory. Once again the Muslims of India were a free nation and masters of their own destiny living in an independent country called Pakistan, the new Muslim State appeared on the world map on the 14th of. August 1947.
The revelation of Jawab-I Shakwa and its compilation took a long time of over one year. In this poem a comprehensive reply to Iqbal’s complaint to Allah is given This poem contains 36 stanzas out of which I have selected nine stanzas which are quoted hereunder together with their English translation;At the outset Allah says,
Ham to mayal ba karam hain koi saail hi naeeinRah dikhlaeen kisay rahrav-i manzil hi naheen.Tarbiat aam to hai johar-i qabil hi naheenJis say taamir ho adam ke ye wo gil hi naheenKoi qabil ho to ham shan-i kai detay hainDhoodnay walay ko dunya bhi nayi detay hain.
We[7] are inclined to Mercy, but there is no one to imploreWhom can we show the way? There is no wayfarer to the destinationJewel polishing is common but there is no proper jewelThere is no clay capable of being moulded into AdamWe confer the glory of Kai[8] on the deservingWe confer even a whole new world on those who search.The following three stanzas are in direct reply to the three stanzas in the Complaint (Shakwa):
Wo bhi din thay ke yihi maayai raanaa-i thaa Naazish-i mausami gul laala-i Sahra-i thaJo musalman tha allah ka shaida-i thaKabhi mahboob tumhara yihi harjai thaKisi yakjai sey ab ahd-i ghulaami karlo Millat-i Ahmad-i Mursil ko Moqami karlo
(There was a time when this alone was the source of beauty The wild tulip was the pride of the season of springWhichever Muslim there was, the Lover of Got he wasA while ago your beloved this very Unfaithful wasMake the covenant of fealty now with some local oneMake the Ummah of the Holy Prophet a local one.)
Safah-i dahr sey baatil ko mitaya kisneNau-i insaan ko ghulami sey churaya kisneMerey kaabae ko jabeenon sey basaaya kisne Merey Qur’an ko seenon sey lagaya kisneThay to aaba wo tumharay hi magar tum kiya hoHath par hath dharay muntazir-i farda ho
(Who effaced false worship from the face of the world?Who rescued the human race from slavery?Who adorned my Ka’bah with their foreheads in Love?Who put my Qur’an to their breasts in reverence?They were surely your ancestors, but what are you?Sitting in idleness, waiting for tomorrow are you!)
Kiya kaha bahri musalman hai faqat waadai hoorShakwa beja bhi karay koi to laazim hai shaoorAdl hai faatir-i hasti ka azal sey dastoorMuslim aaeen hua kfir to milay ****-o qasoorTum men hooron ka koi chahnay wala hi naheen Jawai toor to maujood hai Moosa hi naheen
(What did you say? For the Muslims is only the promise of HouriEven if the Remonstrance be unreasonable decorum is necessaryJustice is the Creator of Existence’ custom since eternityWhen the infidel adopts Muslim ways he receives Houris and palacesNot a single one of you is longing for Houris The effulgence of Tur exists but there is no Musa.[9])
At the end of Jawab-i Shakwa the Response offers a new hope for Ummah and also provides the remedy of all diseases of the Muslims. The following 30 verses (five stanzas) are the essence of this poem:
Ummateen gulshan-i hasti men samar cheeda bhi hainAur mahroom-i samar bhi hain khizan deeda bhi hainSankron Nakhl hain kaheeda bhi’ baleeda bhi hainSankron batn-i chaman men abhi poshida bhi hainNakhl-i Islam namuna hai bromandi kaPhal hai ye sankron saddiyun ki chaman bandi ka.
(Some nations in the existence’s garden benefited from their labour areAnd some deprived from fruits and even destroyed by autumn areHundreds of trees deteriorated and hundreds flourishing areHundreds still even concealed in the bosom of the garden areThe tree of Islam a model of flourishing isThis the fruit of cons of gardening efforts is)
Pak hai gard-i watan say sar-i daman teraToo wo Yusuf hai ke har misr hai kanaan teraQafla ho na sakega kabhi veran teraGhair yek bang-i dara kuch naheen saman teraNakhl-i shamasti-o dar shola dawad resha-i toAaqibat soz bawad saya-i andesha-i to
(Your skirt is undefiled by the dust of homelandYou are the Yusuf for whom every Egypt is Kan’an[10] It will never be possible to destroy your caravanNothing except the Clarions’s Call are your chattel You are a candle like tree, it its flame’s smoke your roots are Your thoughts free from the care of the end are.)
Misl-i boo qaid haye ghunche men pareeshan hojaRakht bar dosh hawa-i chmanistaan hoja Hai tunak maya to zarrey say biyabaan hojaNaghma-i Mauj say hangaama-i toofaan hojaQuwwat-i Ishq sey her past koi balaa kardeyDhr men ism-i Muhammad sey Ujala krdey
(Like fragrance you are contained in the flower bud, become scattered Become the chattel travelling on the wings of the breeze of the rose gardenIf you are poor, changed from speck to the wilderness beFrom the melody of wave changed to tumult of the storm beWith the Love’s power elevate every low to elegance With Muhammad’s name illuminate the whole world.)
Ho na ye phool to bulbul ka tarannum bhi na hoChaman-i dhr men kalyun ka tabassum bhi na hoYe na saqi ho to phir mai bhi na ho khum bhi na hoBazm-i tawhid bhi dunya bh na ho tum bhi na hoKhema aflaak ka istada isi naam se haiNabz-i hasti taphis aamada isi nam sey hai
(If there is no flower nightingale music should also not beIn the world’s garden smile of flower buds should also not beIf there is no cup bearer, wine and decanter should also not beTawhid’s Assembly in the world and you should also not beThe system of the universe is stable by this very nameThe existence’ pulse is warm with this very name.)
Aql hai teri sipar ish a shamsheer teriMerey darvesh khilafat hai jehangir teri Ma siwallah ke lia aag hai takbeer teriToo Musalman ho to taqdir hai tadbir teriKi Muhammad se wafa toonay to ham teray hainYe jahan cheez hai kiya lauho qalam tere hain
(Intellect is your shield, Love is your swordMy dervish! Your vicegerency is world-conquering Your Takbir like fire for Godlessness isIf you are Muslim your prudence your destiny isIf you are loyal to Muhammad we are yoursThis universe is nothing the Tablet and the Pen[11] are yours.)

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@ Zia

What do you have to say about Salman Khurshid stealing of tricycles and crutches of the handicapped?

His threats to Kejriwal?

It has made me ashamed as a Muslim

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Parvez

No one can control someone else, but everyone can control themselves.

What communal twaddle Salman does speaks about him, not his religion. Islam did not teach him to be a thief or a liar.

However, how we react to his deeds, and what language we use is all within our own control.

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~~~ WHY CHANGING THE EVIL PERSONAL LAW IS IMPORTANT ~~
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Some time back on this blog I asserted that much of the violence in Muslim societies can be tracked to the anti HUmanity personal law which gives a man four times more rights than a woman

Syed and some people like rex justified this by saying that the law helps in rescuing prostitutes !!

Well here is a true story of an evil jehadi who killed innocent and enjoyed life using this anti Humanity, anti woman personal law.

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Washington: The man with the wire-rim glasses and bushy beard, speaking calmly in American-accented English, is familiar from dozens of Web videos urging violent jihad against the United States.

But in one astonishing clip, recorded more than a year before the man, Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed by a C.I.A. drone strike in Yemen, the American-born cleric had a very different mission: to propose marriage to a third wife.

“This message is specifically for Sister Aminah,” Mr. Awlaki says in the video to his future bride, a comely 32-year-old blonde from Croatia who he hoped would join him in his fugitive existence. The woman had expressed fervent admiration for Mr. Awlaki on his Facebook page and later made clear in her own video reply that she shared his radical views, saying, “I am ready for dangerous things.”

Neither Mr. Awlaki nor his prospective wife knew it, but their match was being managed by a Danish double agent as part of an attempt to help the Danish intelligence service and the C.I.A. find the cleric’s hiding place in Yemen. The attempt failed, but the undercover agent, Morten Storm, 36, a former motorcycle gang member who had converted to Islam, continued to communicate with Mr. Awlaki. When Mr. Awlaki was killed in a drone strike on September 30, 2011, Mr. Storm was certain his efforts had been instrumental in it.

But eventually Mr. Storm’s resentment at not getting what he regarded as sufficient credit boiled over. He phoned Jyllands-Posten, the second-largest newspaper in Denmark, and told the bewildered receptionist that he had helped track down one of the world’s most wanted terrorist leaders. The Danish newspaper spent 120 hours interviewing Mr. Storm and verifying his account.

Among the evidence that the burly, red-haired Mr. Storm produced to confirm his wild tale, in addition to the video of Mr. Awlaki and e-mail exchanges with him, were postcards from intelligence agents, an audiotape of a C.I.A agent he knew as Michael and a photograph of $250,000 in $100 bills – money he says the C.I.A. paid him for his role as marriage broker.

As part of that plan, the suitcase carried to Yemen by the bride, identified only as Aminah in her video messages to Mr. Awlaki, was secretly fitted with a tracking device that the C.I.A. hoped would reveal the cleric’s location, Mr. Storm told the Danish reporters. But a wary associate of Mr. Awlaki’s had her discard the suitcase when she arrived in Sana, Yemen’s capital. She traveled on to meet and marry Mr. Awlaki, but the C.I.A. plan was thwarted.

Mr. Storm’s tale shows the lengths to which American intelligence officials went to hunt down Mr. Awlaki, a leader of Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen who some counterterrorism officials believed posed a greater threat to the United States than Osama bin Laden did. Their method was a variation on the traditional so-called honey trap, in which spy services use the lure of sex to ensnare male targets. Mr. Awlaki had been arrested during his years as an imam in the United States for hiring prostitutes; his two Arab wives lived apart from him in 2010, and he had asked Mr. Storm to find him a European woman willing to stay with him in hiding.

His eloquent calls for violence, scattered across the Web, helped radicalize dozens of young, English-speaking Muslims. He was added to the Obama administration’s “kill list” after intelligence officials concluded that he had helped plan the failed bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Dec. 25, 2009.

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