Albatross Thomas?



Chief Vigilance Commissioner P J Thomas has indeed become an albatross around the UPA’s neck. The due process of law might see him acquitted or discharged of allegations of corruption. But that wouldn’t wash the taint on his appointment. He was made the anti-corruption watchdog despite being charge sheeted in an oil import case that caused loss of money to the State exchequer in Kerala.

There is no dearth of people in Kerala who believe that Thomas is a victim of circumstances; that he’d get a clean chit sooner than later on initiation of trial in the lower court. But the issue under debate isn’t any more about his complicity or innocence in the oil scandal. It is about the legitimacy of his appointment.

On this count, the Government doesn’t have a leg to stand on. One must await word from the Apex Court on whether or not his elevation as CVC was vitiated? But in popular perception, the decision is held in abysmally low esteem. At the receiving end of the opprobrium are the PM and his Home Minister who ignored Leader of Opposition Sushma Swaraj’s dissent to confirm Thomas’s appointment.

If the Court rules against the appointment, the CVC would have to quit and face the graft case— the two having been de-linked by the Apex Court Judges. But can the government cut its losses by showing Thomas the door?
Not really. The procedure for the CVC’s removal is lengthy and could prove to be deeply embarrassing for the government. Section 6 of the CVC Act entails a presidential reference for a SC inquiry, pending which the CVC can be suspended or prohibited from attending office. He can be removed only on receipt of the SC report.

A much easier way out is the incumbent’s voluntary resignation. But Thomas has thus far refused to oblige despite serious efforts by UPA emissaries. As of now, there are two possibilities:

1) If the SC finds the appointment vitiated, it can hold it null and void. That would oust Thomas without resignation;

2) The court trying him in the oil import case finds him guilty, setting thereby the stage for his resignation or dismissal.

As per the CVC Act, the President can by order remove the CVC or any Vigilance Commissioner if he “has been convicted of an offence which, in the opinion of the Central Government, involves moral turpitude…” But many senior civil servants believe that Thomas stood a good chance of being acquitted or discharged in the oil import case.

With Thomas refusing to quit — as that would amount to admission of guilt— the government is caught in a web of its own making. Count with that the huge public attention on the case in poll-headed Kerala— where the embattled CVC’s stock is high not merely among his clansmen, the influential Syrian Christians but other communities as well.

In some ways, la affaire Thomas is reminiscent of Karnataka’s Yeddy story where the latter draws strengths from the backing of the Lingayat elite.

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji

    For once I entirely agree with your prognosis of CVC issue. The only jarring note in the end was unnecessarily dragging Yedurupa in the controversy. We could have discussed it at some other time.
    The moral of the story is that the govt must start taking the views of the main opposition party rather more seriously and give up the arrogance in governing the country. I feel sad for the PM of the country who comes right in the center of controversy by being the main member of the selection committee.for this constitutional position. Why the govt. should not adopt a bipartisan approach for dealing with crucial appointments as well as for dealing with important matters of the country? After all, it was only through bipartisan approach that the nuclear liability bill went through the Parliament,.I am sure you wont differ with me on this point.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Dr. Anand;
    Though, there is nothing in this article, to disagree with, I find this a fire fighting operation for Government. Article has come out, after, Mr. Vahanvati’s admission of incomplete CV of Thomas It does not mention, Thomas tenure at Telecom ministry and mother of all scam-2-G. This does not expose undue haste and interest shown by two highest officials, PM, HM, of Government, even bending of rules, just to accomodate this guy. Who must have ordered this? Who can order these guys? answer is obvious. But author will not let us have even a whiff of that possibility or any thing, detrimental to ruling family. That is why, I am calling this a firefighting exercise and no investigative or analytical piece.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Anand,

    Aap itne achche kyon hain? Why don’t you come down to the mother earth and see the political reality without the blinkers?

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Shenoy Saheb and Mr. Pankaj

    I think you would agree that on the whole there is not much we differ with the contents of this blog. I agree with both of you that indeed this a desperate attempt at fire fighting by Mr. Sharma on behalf of the government. But to be fair to Mr. Sharma, he did not ever support the appointment of CVC at any forum, including at various tv talk shows. That may be an exception rather than be his often penchant to support UPA for all acts of omissions and commissions.
    Well, the current situation in Egypt after the one witnessed in Tunisia are the ominous signs for the storms which brew up whenever the administration fails to respond to the pulse of the people. The last resort of the people for “Halla Bol” as happening these countries are surely indications which our country can not ignore. So hopefully, the govt. wakes up to the pulse of the people and corrects its course in administrating the country by taking more into confidence all the opposition parties and thereby winning the confidence of the people in running the country. For that matter agreeing to JPC and punishing the 2G scamesters will surely help in bringing down the political temperature in the country.
    Thanks for your response
    BNA

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    As we write a line in any language , we usually need a verb to sum up the sentence . The Congress , its spokesmen & its useless backers also needed , same way , to sum up the sentence needed a verb i.e. nowadays it is Yedurappa , the CM of Karnatka.
    Vinod Sharma has very conveniently forgot to write how the Congress Govt. , has tried to cover its tracks , that also very shamelessly . Why in first place he was selected . Why the court case kept pending for all these years by the smart shenanigans of wily political leader of congress , Karunakaran . How , as is being claimed by Chiddu Bhai , Thomas was cleared by then CVC twice . How it is possible when there is a chargesheet pending in a court . It is another matter that the case is being kept pending because of stay by a court but the case is as good as LIVE as there is only a stay , not rejection of charge sheet . Why there was no mention of this in his bio data which was taken in the committee to select CVC . Why HM & PM ignored the objection of the Sushma Swaraj . What were the reason the Chidu Bhai has not elaborated in his last press conference. Though he gave a funny answer to a question that that NDA in 1999 had ignored the objection of then leader of opposition while choosing a chairman of NHRC & selected justice Verma . Had she then gave any grave reason why she is objecting on Verma’s name or was the Verma had any serious deficiency in his biodata for his selection . If NDA had taken a majority decision , then there could be some reason . But as far as I remember there were no such a story , in the media , that Verma has any serious deficiency . So the giving of his precedence vis a vis Thomas’s selection by the HM is just funny , childish as well as nonsense .It is clear that the selection of Thomas was predetermined , preselected by some where else than in the sham committee then . How AG tried to sidetrack the selection procedure by a strange logic of bio data & how HM is forced to further side track the statement of AG in SC .
    Lastly , it was strange to see the blog of Vinod Sharma vis a vis his stand in Times Now video debate with Ravi Shankar Prasad of BJP , few days ago . Both are contrary in its contents. Moreover there is now a latest interesting news on HT which is ” A senior Congress leader from Telangana, G Venkataswamy, today lashed out at the style of functioning of party President Sonia Gandhi and demanded that she step down from her post and make way for an Indian “. An Egypt is on the way , Vinod Sharma ; Take Care

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    Further to talk of ‘Syrian Christians by Vinod Sharma is also a disgrace in a democratic country as everybody in the India except of Vinod Sharma , Congress & its spokes persons , are in consensus that Thomas’s only main qualification was being a Syrian Christian , others things were redundant , for his selection as CVC .

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dera Shri Chawlaji,

    To be fair to Shri Vinod Sharma, he had tried to stop the panelists from discussing the outcome of the Supreme court’s proceedings which could affect the judgement itself. Some of us might have failed to see his point, because it is the fashion these days not to take the courts seriously, if there can be some sensation artificially introduced in the panel discussions on TV.

    I must, in all fairness to him, say this: Vinodji, you spoke like a true voice of the media in the panel discussion on CNBC with Karan Thapar. You didn’t take sides, you reflected in the discussions what you had already outlined as your thinking in this forum.

    Nobody can take exception to your command performance, except that to a very very pointed question from Karan Thapar as to why the PM and the HM selected Thomas overlooking all adversity, you and the other panelists very slyly said ONLY those two “gentlemen” could answer that question.

    The whole country and even people beyond our boundaries, knew the answer: It was because of Sonia Gandhi’s obsession with Thomas for the post that……….

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    I was talking of Times Now programme , not CNBC , in which Vinod Sharma was not able to match the Ravi Shankar Prasad’s views on the subject . Vinod Sharma could not fathom the cross in the neck of UPA II’s. Though it is far fetched but it has undertones of Egypt rigmarole happenings which has happened today in Bareily in Uttar Pradesh where lacs of unemployed young persons reached there in search of few meagre jobs in ITBP but as usual ITBP failed to gauge the situation with some wise decisions , it errupted into a earthquake like situation where thousands of job seekers who were returned with empty hands as things gone out of control because of too massive rush of job seekers , burnt the UP roadways buses , trucks , cars , a petrol pump , damaged public & private properties , taken over Bareily Railway Station with RPF standing meekly by side , a train , forced to cancell 22 trains enroute Bareily , died more than 50 persons after the persons sitting on top of train collided with a bridge & fell and scores of perason injured also in this accident . The whole city was a scene replica of Egypt which has a warning signal to Vinod Sharma , Congress , its sympathisers who are clung to a family named Ghandy since last many many years . The Ex Andhra Pradesh minister G Venkataswamy , today lashed out at Ghandy family & asked the Congress to throw out the foreign lady & instead select some Indian personality as a leader of the party . There are clear signal of the storm brewing in not distant future . A suggestion for Vinod Sharma ; Take care of yourself before the ship of Congress submerge in the turmoil of human sea of poor country men , just as Hosni Mobarak of Egypt is in a situation today , because of his control of Egypt for almost thirty years & billions dollars of assets in his kitty as also the Congress leaders have filled their coffins with tons of money & our unelected , so called honest & of high integrity PM Mannu Bhai sitting on throne like a DHRITRASHTRA of Mahabharat fame

    AJ Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    Good attempt to become a Hero again ..”.MR.ANTI HERO”…Hahahahahahahah hahahahaha haha…
    really could not stop laughing…..please dont come on TV vinod …i just cant stop laughing looking at u.
    ok see u later “anti hero”

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    The Attorney General G E Vahanvati said in the SC: “It’s a matter of fact that the material pertaining to the chargesheet and sanction for his prosecution… was not before the committee. Only the bio-data of the three candidates was placed before it. Since there are no minutes of the meeting, it would be difficult to say whether the aspect of corruption case was discussed or not.”- This is reported in Hindustan Times.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    The Attorney General G E Vahanvati said in the SC: “It’s a matter of fact that the material pertaining to the chargesheet and sanction for his prosecution… was not before the committee. Only the bio-data of the three candidates was placed before it. Since there are no minutes of the meeting, it would be difficult to say whether the aspect of corruption case was discussed or not.”- This is reported in Hindustan Times.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Both the replies above are incomplete. Pl.permit me to have my complete say:

    Today, in a press conference, the Home minister, Shri Chidambaram had this to say:

    Addressing a press conference, he was happy to agree with the Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha Sushma Swaraj that the committee discussed the issue of a pending case against Thomas before he was named the CVC.
    “We did discuss the names of the panel. In fact, the bulk of the time (of discussion) was regarding P J Thomas and the Palmolein case. She (Swaraj) made her points, the other members (the Prime Minister and the Home Minister) of the committee made their points.”

    “It was brought to the notice of the committee during the discussion that although the case was registered, no sanction of prosecution was granted by the NDA government from December 1999 to May 2004 and by the UPA government subsequently,” Chidambaram said.

    These two instances are sufficient to prove beyond any doubt that the government has all along been dishonest. Poor Sushma Swaraj, she didn’t know that MMS and PC had a document selecting this tainted Thomas to be signed on the dotted line, even before the meeting had started. Nobody needs to say for whom these great worthies would sign on dotted lines; in fact have sold their souls.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Chief Vigilence Commissioner, should not only be chaste but he should be above suspicion.
    Where we have brought our Nation on the name of Democracy, Secularism and blah, blah and blah.

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    Candor Reply:

    Why the author feels that Thomas can be acquitted but cannot be convicted ? The GOI of India both NDA and UPA are answerable to country why a permission has not been granted to prosecute him since 1997 ? Albeit, he is getting promotions. There is no doubt Sonia Gandhi wants to appoint puppets everywhere who ignore the widespread corruption and colossal losses to the country. India also need an uprise to liberate itself from the clutches of Gandhis.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    When the whole world is rejoicing at the arrest of Spectrum Raja, the CBI itself is fighting shy of announcing his arrest.

    Times TV first came out with the proposition that tyhe government has now acted, by arresting Raja, but he was quickly put in his place by Rudy, who said the government had no role to play in his arrest, it was actually the Supreme Court which went after the CBI to take some action and sooner the better. Therefore, the arrest is the sum total of the pressure brought about by the opposition, the media (of course, excluding the Radia-tainted), the SC and public opinion.

    The TV media, all channels without exception are now claiming that

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    every one of them brought out the scam first, while the truth is that the scam came to light because of one persevering, unassuming gentleman journalist from Pioneer who went after Raja against all odds for three years.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Shenoy Saheb

    I think whether we like or not the philosophy of Mr. Prashant Bhushan, the civil right activist, but his tenacity for pursuing a PIL against A Raja in the apex court has been responsible for this outcome. It hardly matters who claims the credit. Only the apex court and Prashant Bhushan are ones who deserve all the credit. Hope his pursuit of PIL against CVC also ends up in the inevitable. More strength to his judicial activism.
    BNA

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Anand,

    Raja was first hailed
    (by Radiia)
    she said he cannot be failed
    (by MMS)
    but the media had him Nailed
    Now he has been jailed
    Soon he will be bailed
    If he was being tailed
    No more will he be tailed
    But the millions have already been mailed
    (into Cayman islands)
    whereto he will be sailed
    As soon as he can be jump-bailed.

    it is only

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Shenoy Saheb

    Well someone had rightly commented that your expression both in prose and in poetry is quite an excellent stuff. It was enjoyable. But my regret is Mr. Vinod Sharma is missing the fun. We should all persuade him to return and not take the readers comments rather too seriously. after all it is simply a debate.
    No doubt, his blog site has been like the “Hyde Park” in London where every one is free to express one’s views in any language. Surely, the fun in the debate is missing.
    BNA

  • Pankaj#1

    @ Every one;
    I am disturbed that Vinod has decided not to respond to his readers.
    This reminded me, of a very touchy song of Yore,
    Aaj kyun ham se parda hai ji, aaj kyun ham se parda hai.
    Tera har raj jan te hai hum, tujhe apna man te hain hum, phir, aaj kyun ham se parda hai.
    Your responses and articles were one of the few sources, apart from your television histrionics, which generated equal amount of anger and mirth. Silence on your part, may force me to leave your blog. Do not deprive me of this pleasure. currently, I love only two things, one is my dog and another is this blog. I have stopped seeing Masala movies, let me have this source of entertainment on computer, at least.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Shri Pankaj,

    You are very right.

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    If Vinod Sharma will start answering a few of comments , he is going to entangled himself in more problem . So he is taken a cucumber , sliced it into thin parts & put these on his eyes for a cool , cool feeling of a cucumber , for next ten days

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  • Ghodboley

    Poor Mr. PJ Thomas! He has been caught in the wrestling match between the “Forward -looking Pehalwan of UPA and the”Backward looking Pehalwan of BJP! While UPA thinks in terms of capability of CVC ! His appointment, qualiications and removal, et al are under the purview of CVC Act, 2003!AS PER THAT HIS REMOVAL IS NOTTHAT EASY!

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  • Ghodboley

    Since the matter of appoitment of Mr. PJ Thomas is sub judice, we are precluded from amaking comments on We have abubdant faith in our apex court. It will uphold the Constitution!

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  • n.krishna

    Congress is now taken over by christians and party is called the Crusader Party of India. Christian Congress party under Pope’s plant Sonia, bent rules at the behest of the Kerala paraya Syrian churches to move Palmoiled flexible christian crook PJ Thomas to Delhi. This christian crook PJ Thomas, should have been in jail, but instead the Italian Mary who is looting India welcomed all christian crooks of Kerala brand. IAS can be posted at the level of Joint Secretary and up only if they have minimum of three Years experience of working in Delhi. When the Palmolein scam started leaking and threatened to submerge the Kerala government this oil thief who is like the Sadam oil thief Sonia, got a Delhi posting after the lame duck government of Italy in Delhi, headed by a sick Manmohan bend rules and issued a special Gazette notification. Vigilance followed Spectrum postings for the looting of Rs 36000 crore by Rome Mary Sonia. Next posting of this Kerala christian thief PJ Thomas will be as President or Governor. From all records, Thomas was the only One to benefit under the Relaxed Rules, no other thief was so favoured till date.

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  • http://lughole.net Saarthak

    There are many more albatrosses around the UPA and Congress(I) neck. CWG mismanagement and scams, 2G scam, extremely high food prices even as buffer stock of foodgrains rot, and generally high inflation during the past year which continues. A multiplex movie ticket which used to cost Rs 150 in Delhi now costs Rs 225 to Rs 250. For the poor of course there is no respite. Rahul Ganhi says Indian black money in Swiss banks should be brought back..it belongs to the poor…but the actions of this government in hiding the names shows otherwise. Sonia Gandhi says ‘our moral universe is shrinking’ So much doublespeak and hypocrisy! The people of this country are disgusted with this government…and yet no one sees the writing on the wall. Kapil Sibal says “there was no loss in the 2G spectrum allocation…” Sorry boss, lawyers like you know how to twist words and arguments but ye public sab jaanti hai.

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  • ramesh

    AS USUAL VINOD SHARMA ,HAS NOT SAID A WORD ABOUT MISDEED OF PM AND HOME MINISTER.SHARMA BEING KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT CONGRESS GOVT WORKING MUST TALK ABOUT NECESSITY OF CONGRESS PARTY FOR APPOINTING A TAINTED MAN.
    JULIUS CEASER MUST BE TURNING IN HIS GRAVE.WHAT ABOUT CEASERS WIFE?
    BARE BABU MMSINGH MUST ENLIGHTEN THE NATION.

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  • Hindustani

    Now it is also time to ask why UPA insisted on Thomas as the candidate for CVC. There are many bureaucrats and amongst them many who are inclined favourably towards the UPA masters; then what was so special about Thomas? This is a mystery that needs to be solved in order to understand the working of the UPA mind led by Empress Sonia. Is this their reward for the Indian electorate for giving UPA a second term?

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  • nirav

    Mr Vinod,

    A leopard cannot change his spots…can he????
    No mention of the saints PM and the HM misdeeds….
    Thomas should quit???why the hell???

    He was appointed by HM and PM ..They need to fire him.Thomas has made no mistake .
    This is all a play….Thomas refusing and Christian party oops …Congress party forcing him….
    AG says the fact of the case were not known to the HM and Pm and the HM says they discussed it at length.
    Ek jhoot chupane k liye sau jhoot bolne padte hai.

    And finally the spots of Vinod sharma are revealed when he compares him with Yeddurapa…
    Even a school going kid knows that the CM is elected by millions of people unlike the CVC who is handpicked like our PM is..

    But then what do you expect from a government who has a list of black money hoarders of the country and refuses to reveal…Hassan ali is tipped off and his account quietly emptied….
    And their footsoldier Mr sharma keeps mum ….
    oops not foot soldier but Anti hero…
    Infact Anti-national and anti-human.

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    Sridharan Reply:

    Nirav, I fully agree with you. Now the entire process followed by the Government on this appointment has come into open. The AG says that import of oil case papers were not put up to the committee. It appears to be a deliberate attempt by the Government to keep it away from the leader of opposition who is also a committee member. But as this matter was raised by Sushma Swaraj, HM has now admitted to have discussed this matter. PM and HM proceeded with the appointment despite the discussion on the pending court case matter and the dissent of the third member. This clearly shows that right from the start of the committee meeting the PM and HM were determined to proceed with the appointment. Hence these two are responsible to answer all questions on this matter and Thomas need not resign.

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    nirav Reply:

    brother bloggers….

    News just coming in reveal that Mr sharma has gone to swiss….
    He has been entrusted the job of safely escorting and carrying the money of the gandhis from the bank to safe heavens …
    He will after that soon publish an article whcih will say only bjp has accounts in swiss banks.
    He will also be cleaning the dirt and shit of the congress and UPA corruption with toilet paper…which is also known as Hindustan times…..

    He will soon be given a new neck belt -read padma shri for loyally guarding the 10 janpat…

    Shame to the anti-hero

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  • adithyan

    Without approval and sanction, the DVAC would not have filed for prosecution. HM is trying to protect PJT by reasoning out that no sanction was given for prosecution. This is a sample case where the UP will stoop to anything like protecting criminals and corrupt fellows. By the same analogy, we can construe that it will continue to protect black money holders, hawala traders, adulterators, anti social elements while prosecuting the innocent and small defaulters. To a recent reference regarding the swiss accounts, that government has replied that its answer is in the question raised by government itself. UPA is ruling the country through a set of paid hooligans. Countrymen, are you going to vote for this bundle of rodents

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    Jami Reply:

    Only thing that we can say is that ‘Sharma badnaam hua, Sonia-Manmohan ke liye

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    Yes , you are quite right . You had nailed the subject of the issue in a single line which others are trying to do in paragraphs . Bhai Aisa Hai , Ki Halwa Manda Ka Sawal Hai. Kya Karen Papi Pet Ka . Is Jaalim Duniya Mein Jina Hai To Itna Paap To Karna Hi Parega . Pet Bharna Hai To Murgi To Kaatni Hi Paregi , Nahin To Pet Kaise Bharega.

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  • S PADMANABHAN

    PM and HM are surrounded by a big coterie.Narayanan (ex NSA-now Bengal G0vernor),TAK Nair-PS to MMS,Chadrasekhar,Cabinet Secretary and G K Pillai-Home Secretary-aided and abetted by George- PS to Sonia. It is now made out clearly that MMS has no mind of his own and no matter what- he wants to cling to his power.He is as much a crook as others are.

    This coterie is responsible for all mess in the country.All of them know Thomas well as all are from kerala and Thomas is the junior most in their ranks. They selected Thomas as they thought that he would get government out of CWG and 2G mess which involves the highest – perhaps including the MMS. (Why should we have this notion that MMS is not corrupt? why should he be segregated? If PVN and Rajiv can be accused of corruption why not MMS?)

    It is known that Chidambaram does not have a mind of his own neither has a vote bank.He has an ego and he goes with the crowd and as corrupt as the system allows him to be (may not go out of the way -but will not leave what comes in the way!)

    SC shoould be requested to issue suo moto notice to all the six (including MMS and Chidambaram) for dereliction of duty and blatant violation of the Constitution.They should be criminally prosecuted.

    What happens if the SC finds the appointment of Thomas not as per norms and Thomas refuses to resign? You have a huge problem and the President will have to unnecessarily intervene. The President cannot act independently and a recommendation from the Cabinet is necessary. Perhaps in my opinion- an impeachment of Thomas alone is the answer. MMS and his coterie is criminally responsible for this mess.

    Whehter Thomas quits or not,

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  • umesh

    Vinod,
    The lies are not working anymore. The government is now trying to save face after Sushma Swaraj ji threatened to file an affidavit in the SC to expose the lies perpetuated by the government. The statement of HM is the admission of that guilt. Lets look at the sequence of justification given by the government:
    1) Sushmaji objects to the appointment of this fellow.
    2) PM and HM overrule her and appoints him as CVC.
    3) The opposition boycotts the swearing in ceremony of CVC.
    4) A PIL is filed and the SC starts to ask pointed questions to the government.
    5) SC vacates the stay of Karunakaran for Thomas’s prosecution.
    6) The government files an affidavit saying that he is of impeccable integrity.
    7) CVC himself files an affidavit claiming that he is of impeccable integrity.
    8) Government claims that the appointing committee did not know about the charge sheet.
    9) Sushmaji announces that she is now going to file an affidavit to clarify that the committee was aware of the charge sheet against Thomas.
    10) Government realizes that the lie in the SC is going to backfire on them.
    11) They tell CVC to resign but he refuses.
    12) HM says that the matter was discussed but NDA government did not do anything when they were in power (I must clarify this point that NDA government could not do anything because of the Karunakaran’s stay on the case. After Karunakaran’s death SC vacated the stay and the case became alive in 2011. NDA couldn’t do it during there regime.).
    This case shows that the Congress party is very ARROGANT and they don’t give a damn what the AAM AADMI thinks. They can stoop to any level to protect the corrupt. Because these corrupt people can be manipulated. Same was done during the presidential nominations. They knew that Dr. Kalam wouldn’t sign at the dotted line without being convinced.
    But they must be very afraid after what is happening in EGYPT, TUNISIA etc etc.

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  • kk

    VINOD SHARMA SOLD HIS SOUL TO CONGRESS LONG TIME BACK THAT IS WHY NO MENTION OF PM AND HM

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    bharatian Reply:

    The planting of Sonia in India to convert, dismember India, the way CIA spy lady was planted in the Sikkim royal family is damaging India. Sonia is a threat to India and is using the christians esp the Kerala christians and half christians who are Hindus, married to christians as her agents to loot Inida. Christians in India have bcome agents of Sonia as was happening during the British rule. Sonia has planted all tainted persons as president, prime minister to governor, to secretaries , CVC, EC, CBI directors etc and is destroying India along with ISI. Sonia worked in London for ISI under a **** Salman Tasseer before she was planted in Rajiv Gandhi’s house. Sonia was responsible for the murder of Indira Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi. Sonia is a CIA and KGB and Opus Dei agent.

    PRATIBHA PATIL is controlled by Sonia’s plant Christy Fernandes who is the secretary of Pratibha Patil. Rajni Patil, in a press conference claimed that her husband was murdered by Pratibha Patil’s brother G.N.Patil , She accused Pratibha Patil of shielding her brother. On 13 July 2007 Rajani Patil moved the Bombay High Court demanding that the CBI . Rajni Patil’s petition stated that the CBI, which was directed by the Aurangabad bench of the Bombay High Court to probe the case in February, must question Pratibha before 19 July , when she became the president of India. Manmohan Singh is a CIA agent and was also on the payroll of ISI. His daughter Amrit Singh is married an American missionary.

    Sonia’s son Raul Vinci and daughter Bianca Vinci were playmates of Quttrocchis children. Sonia and Quttrocchi worked together to collect Bofors money and looted India billions as commission. Sonia’s poor Italian family is now the richest in Italy. Sonia’s actual year of birth is 1944 and is born to an unknown Italian, as her father a Nazi facist in a Russian jail. So sonia who is an illiterate housemaid barmaid changed her year of birth to 1946.

    Christian congressmen have Hindu names and they are Digvijay Singh, Manish Tiwari, Ajit Jogi, Anand Sharma, Satish Sharma,Satyavrat Chaturvedi, Ambika Soni, the Killer of Swami Laskhmananadha of Orissa the Radhakant Nayak, the dead YSR or Y. Samuel Rajasekhara Reddy, the late christian president K .R Narayan and the list is very long. Then comes the CIA product AK Anthony, Oscar Fernandes , Margaret alva half Christians like Vayalar Ravi , Arjun Singh Shashi Tharoor etc. Then the second tier is the muslim agents of Sonia like Salman Khursheed, Ahamad Patel, etc .

    Key posts are given to christian antinatioals by Sonia.
    P. J. Thomas – Kerala christian Central Vigilance Commissioner
    P. K. Hormis Tharakan – Kerala christian RAW chief
    Navin Chawla – he wrote two books on the fake healing of christian teresa and became Chief Election Commissioner. His wife Rupika Chawla helped Sonia to smuggle Indian temple antique to Sonia’s two shops in Italy that netted Rs 10000 crore to Sonia. This needs investigation. Rupika Chwla is doing missionary work in Rajastan.
    Former Chief Justice KG Balakrishnan and current Human Right Commission is a born christian whose father was Lookose. Lookose produced fake Hindu ST SC certificate and got govt job. Balakrishnan’s two son in laws are christians and one is congressman who contested as a reservation candidate for Sonia’s Italian christian congress.

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    Raghavendra Reply:

    Mr Vinod Sharma

    you said in your artcile that Mr Thomas’s stock is high among his clan of syrian christians.
    from when did our central government start appointing CVC on that person’s caste support back home? did the congress appoint this guy to get some christain votes in assembly polls?

    Mr Sharma our present PM your dear MANNU BHAI is a GOMUKHA VYGRHA it means TIGER IN THE GARB OF A COW.
    mr sharma if you are so sincere about talking corruption have you forgotten how your present very

    CLEAN and HONEST PM won vote of confidence in july 2008? have you uttered a single word till now about the money spent by congress to save their government?
    be balanced about such views,

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Raghavendra,

    congressmen do not understand what is Vyaghra, they know only viagra.

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    Raghavendra Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    many many thanks for your very funny reply.
    what ever you said about these SONIA BHAKT CONGRESSIS is 100 percent correct..

    as long as people like Vinod Sharma are here in media CONGRESS will never need their Manish Tiwaris and Abhisekh Singhvis to put it’s case forward.

  • Vijay Kumar

    While I agree with the tenor of the article, i was wondering whether it was necessary to get Thomas as a Syrian Christian into the picture.

    The Christian community in Kerala is the most patriotic,progressive and literate of Indians. They are NOT at loggerheads with other communities. So it would be sad if we view this as a “Christian’ thing.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Lagta hai aaj aapne public ki pulse pakad li. However I would strongly advise you not to absent yourself from this blog, even when most of the postings are at loggerheads with your own views.

    Columnists who remain popular with the public are those who are touch with the readers. You may or may not agree with those who come onto this blog, but then they are the public… :D

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    If Vinod Sharma will start answering a few of comments , he is going to entangled himself in more problem . So he is taken a cucumber , sliced it into thin parts & put these on his eyes for a cool , cool feeling of a cucumber , for next ten days

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  • ishwar

    While writing about the CVC’s appointment, Mr. Sharma can’t help mentioning Mr. Yeddyurappa. However; somehow, he forgets to talk about Sonia Gandhi – on whose orders PC and MMS appointed the CVC. You have to reach the epitome of human evolution in sycophancy to someone to be as biased.

    Congratulations Mr. Sharma, you are at the summit. Manish Tiwary and Diggy Singh have given up.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    Today’s Times Of India has carried a cartoon depicting the PM, the Queen and the Yuvaraj; the PM gets a phone call. MMS turns to Madam and tells her, “It is Hosni (Mubarak) from Cairo asking if we’ll give him sanctuary. How do I tell him we were thinking we might have to call him and ask for the same thing?”

    Such a humiliating cartoon from Times, an ardent camp follower, would have been unthinkable just a while ago. Now this ruling click seems to have lost allvestiges of power, self respect and the will to face the people.

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    There is now a latest interesting news on HT which is ” A senior Congress leader from Telangana, G Venkataswamy, today lashed out at the style of functioning of party President Sonia Gandhi and demanded that she step down from her post and make way for an Indian “.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    CHAWLAJI,

    I think it is The Indian Express and not HT which has carried this explosive item.

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    Yes , you are right . It is IE not HT . By mistake I wrote HT instead of IE . But it is explosive , no doubt & also mark the great begining of future course in India taking a cue from International happenings . It was funny & strange also to hear a foreign lady of Congress saying congress leaders not to run after money , money matters , power & such like things . It was pathetic to see how when every corruption story ends at her home , is saying homilies to others or she has got worried because of Tunisia & Egypt’s sordid happenings . JAAGO indians JAAGO lest thief loots all yours money .

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Shenoy Saheb
    But we read it in HT, Sir. Well, if it was in IE as well,, there is no surprise. No newspaper could have missed such an explosive material.
    BNA

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    I think Sonia Gandhi should take the Times Of India cartoon seriously now and keep her aircraft ready to take flight at short notice.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    India is not Egypt..It’s not going to happen. You will see mass exodus of hindus from India if Congress (christian+muslim party) continue to rule with the help of Jaichands like Digvijay Singh and court poets like Vinod Sharma.

  • veer bhallal

    arehe vinod bhai why on that tv debate you virtually crying in defending your madam sonia and mms over cvc appointment you definitely would get a reward with an award of bharath rathna

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  • Columbus

    Thomas as CVC is part of a larger conspiracy called Cambridge conspiracy in which the pope planted Sonia in India. This was to loot India and destroy India. White christian supremacist mentalities guide the actions of whites who idolize individuals such as Columbus as heroes. Columbus after landing on a small Caribbean Island and capturing people to be sold as slaves, began what would be the world’s most horrendous human tragedy, the complete destruction of a great many of the civilizations of two continents, and the near destruction of the remainder, a process that included the massacre of tens of millions of original American Indians. The number of Peoples who died, because of the European invasion Columbus initiated, in 1492 is several hundred millions. In Halifax, Nova Scotia, there is a park named in honour of Edward Cornwallis, the Province’s eighteenth century blood thirsty British colonial Governor, who participated in an attempt to commit genocide – it contains a large statue of him. He, and his Council, on October 1, 1749, decided to try to exterminate the Mi’kmaq indigenous to what is now Canada’s Maritime provinces. The method chosen by them to try to realize their inhuman goal was to issue a Proclamation offering a bounty of ten British pounds for the scalps of the people, including women and children. On June 21, 1750, perhaps because the scalps were not coming in fast enough, they issued another proclamation upping the bounty to fifty pounds. Americans now participate in the idolizing this christian monster Edward Cornwallis.

    Unbelievers to Jesus Christ, deserve not only to be separated from the Church, but also to be exterminated from the World by death, was the christian philosophy as laid down by Thomas Aquinas (1271). This is the policyof the Nazi Pope and the christian Italian plant Sonia. Sonia follows a policy of calling Hindus terrorists before Hindus are hunted down. This is an old policy the church, to call a dog a mad dog before it is beaten to death. It all started long ago and thus the Christianity, church and every christian is a threat to the remaining population in India; European Christian Nations were like the muslim terrorists of today but were much more vicious and wanted to pillage the rest of the world which is still continuing. In 1452, christian Pope issued a doctrine of discovery to provide a legal cover to pillage and destroy non-White Civilizations around the World, whose citizens were indiscriminately slaughtered by the tens of thousands, enslaved, raped, and dehumanized. The origins of the doctrine was by Pope Nicholas V’s issuance of the Papal bull Romanus Pontifex in 1452. The pope’s bull followed Portugal to claim and conquer lands in West Afrca. Pope Alexander VI extended to Spain the right to conquer newly-found lands in 1493, after Columbus had already begun doing so. Arguments between Portugal and Spain led to the Treaty of Tordesillas which clarified that only non-Christian lands could thus be taken, as well as drawing a line of demarcation to allocate potential discoveries between the two powers.

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  • yash

    Dear Vinod Sharma,

    How can you compare the CVC issue with the Yediyurappa continuation as the CM. Both are totally different.

    1) Yeddi comes from a community that forms 30% of the electorate. Thomas comes from a community that has around 7% representation

    2) Yeddi is a mass leader and Thomas is not

    3) When Yeddi became the CM there were no charges against him. In Thomas’s case there was already a pending case against hi,

    4) Thomas is a bureacrat and not a politician whose appointment or removal will have eletoral impact. Is he one of the leaders for the syrian christian ?

    Your comparison appears a bit wierd.

    I see that you are always trying to make Congress look good by showing the BJP in bad light. Why cant you call spade a spade for once ? The way you speak on the TV sometimes gives an impression that you are the unofficial spokesperson of congress.

    Thanks,
    Yash

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Aziz Burney the Editor of Rashtriya Sahara Urdu wrote a book alleging that it was the RSS which was behind the 26/11 Mumbai Terror attack. He has now apologized to the RSS for that, after a criminal case was initiated against him.
    This book was released by Digvijay Singh the General Secy of the Party, which lays claim to have got India its independence. It was on this occassion that Digvijay Singh had claimed that Late Hemant Karkare had rung him to say that he faced grave threat to his life from Hindu groups. Probably late Hemant Karkare the (Head of the Mumbai ATS) thought that Digvijay Singh with his awesome network , was the best person to give him safety , as the Maharashtra Govt could prove to be inadequate.
    What can we hope for when this is the type of politicians we have gifted to ourselves?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    On 26th January, as per the normal practice, scores of prisoners were given remission of sentences and released from jails all over Madhya pradesh. 5 SIMI activists too got released in the process, whichcaused acute embarrassment to the state BJP government. Bhajrang Dal has attacked it for this lapse.

    It is now rumoured that far from taking advantage of the situation, Digvijay Singh, a former MP chief minister, has congratulated the BJP for this noble act. He is also rumoured to have demanded of all the states and the centre too to follow the example of the MP government and release all SIMI activists, because he is now convinced that all acts of terror were committed by the Hindu groups like RSS and that innocent Muslims working as activists of harmless organisations like LeT, SIMI, Dawood Associates etc are blamed and harrassed. Rumour has it that Rahul Gandhi likes the idea and he has spoken to the American ambassador yesterday when they met over a glass of nimbupani.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    Hope that the Egyptian revolution does not herald in fundamantalists. Then it would become like the Iranian disaster…

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Everyone

    While I may agree that the Congress or any political party has to look beyond the dynasty and I am also angry with the COngress for diluting the fight against Islamic terror by trying to paint Hindus as terrorists, I feel bad in case this blog would deteriorate into a religious battle.

    Let us be very clear that

    a) Rajiv Gandhi married for love and it was not an international Christian plot or any such thing… :)
    You may dislike the idea that Sonia did not renounce her Italian citizenship and yet was being pushed by some COngressmen to become the PM; even get angry at the dynastic sycophancy displayed by some Congressis just for getting a ticket, but let us not cast aspersions on her personel character or right to live in India…

    b) Comments against Christians are sad and unfortunate. Look guys, we are different from Pakistanis. So let us behave differently. Anyway the Christain community has contributed hell of lot through eduction and through the services. Let us remember that and honor that.

    Any differences on account of conversion controversies are of recent origin because of funding by some aggresive American christian groups. That can be debated. And sorted out :) :)

    c) While we all hate fundamantalism of all sorts, let us not talk about being proud of our own fundamantalists. Anyway let us draw a line. I disagree with fundamantalist Islam and generally how the Muslim majorityt countries treeat their non Muslim citizens.

    We need to show that ours is a truly secular country. Not by villyfying Islam in general, but by fighting against terror and intolerance in Islam… or for that matter any other religion…

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Good points.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    I do not agree with you on Christians. I have seen them up close and their hatred for anything hindu is legendary. You must live in Goa amongst christians to learn what they think about hindus and India.
    By the way christians do badmouth hinduism to convert…I have witnessed it firsthand but I replied by putting their literature in trashcan right in front of them.

    So please don’t say that whatever is written about conversion is untrue…This is typical hindu trait of appeasing people.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    But they are definitely more manageable than violent muslims.

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    umesh Reply:

    That is where you are wrong. They are not manageable because we fail to see the conversions as a threat. When you don’t perceive a threat you don’t build defenses for it.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,
    In case it interests you – here is a interview of Vijay Prashad (Professor of International Studies and a Historian) on Egypt. This makes for some intense reading plus a good de-mystification of “Muslim Brotherhood”.
    Read on at : http://www.counterpunch.org/ghosh01312011.html
    Incidentally Tom Firedman’s article today in NYT – to be read at : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/opinion/02friedman.html?ref=opinion
    - gives a different, albeit establishmentarian – perspective with broader implications for Israel.
    And then, here is nJohn Kerry : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/01/opinion/01kerry.html?_r=1.
    Most of the “drum-beat” suggests Hosni Mubarak may be on his way out.
    Incidentally a couple of days back , Chinmay Gharekhan appeared on one of the news channels (too lazy to remember which) suggesting Indian foreign policy re-align itself with the new realities and democratic aspirations in Egypt.
    Finally, from all accounts , it appears to be a end-game for Hosni Mubarak with Mohammed Elbaradei (the one regularly snubbed by U.S. and Israel on Iran’s “Nuclear Wepaons” issues during his tenure at IAEA) leading the charge of new power structure.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Mahesh

    Thanks… I have just gone thru them!

    Hopethe revolution is genuinly democratic and secular…

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Vindo Sharma

    i am surprised that you are silent to all tese comments. have you decided not to defend your very HONEST and CLEAN PM MANNU BHAI.?
    have you decided not to defend your favourite political party?

    i am surprised by your stony silence PANDITJI.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev,

    C’mon… we dont have to become Pakistanis and indulge in minority bashing!

    As for Goans… I know Goa well and keep going there every few months. There is a possibilty that many did identfy with the Portugese, but many more of the Goan Christians fought for independece and merger into India.

    I think we really have to move forward. Actually there has to be a genuine interaction between religious leaders where sub jects like conversions etc are frankly discussed.

    Let me reassert. Christianity did fight its internal battles on scince and scriptures. Ultimately scince did win. And the church and state are mostly separate in Christian majority countries….

    Finally Hindus have learnt a lot from Hindu Christian interactions. The superstitious nature of many priests was only revealed when one saw that enlightened Christianity had dumped its horrors- unlike Islam whioch unfortunately still worships them. (as nobody has dared to question the scriptures in Islam)

    Yes, aggressive American churches on conversion missions do cause resentment among Hindus. But as I said, Syrian Christins have lived here for more than a thousand years and India is only richer because of them… :)

    So think with a cool head. Raju Kurian– probably a Syrian Christian– comes to this blog so many times and his anger at Pakisani terror is probably more than yours and mine…

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Rajeev

    Joining your discussion, I think that it is sad that we are dividing our society community wise to understand it. But unfortunate as it may be , that is the way it is. I think this has more to do with certain provisions in the Constitution of India which classifies Indian society into Religous Minorities and the religous Majority. This was probably done by the founding fathers as at that time the global geo-political situation was quite different. The world was not globalized and a need was felt to provide special Rights and Priveledges to Minorities. But in the globalized world of today can anyone say there is a threat to Islam or Christianity in India. In my view these constitutional provisions should be done away with and there should be only one class ‘Indians”
    Our unscrupulous politicians have used this classification to further their gameplans for vote- bank politics , a good tool to win elections in the present electoral system, and create divisions in society on grounds of religion.
    There is no doubt that the whole country is very proud of its Christians, but the problem comes in only when some Missionaries get aggressive with their conversion plans , exploiting the poverty of the poor. It is well known that they get their funds from abroad for this purpose. There have been several judicial pronouncements on this issue and courts also have frowned on such conversions.

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    Vinay Reply:

    Most of the leaders in India prefer to get encircled by group of chamchas, who have no gross root support, who exist (hold prominent positions) only because of proximity to their leader. Sonia also has that, where many of whom are Christians. (Nobody in Karnataka knows what is the achievement of two useless politicians Margaret Alva and Oscar Fernandes to hold important posts. So with Ambika Soni. Every ones entry will be through Rajya Sabha). But then we also know, their equivalents among Hindus (Hindu chamchas for Sonia or other politicians) are equally bad. There has to be an unified voice against this chamchagiri. No one rises voice when AK Antony is given importance. Voices rise only when Thomas is given importance.

    Difference between Hindu leaders and Sonia(/Christian) is that, Hindu leaders never let a close ally from the same community to rise to a prominent level. They feel threatened, their community leadership might get snatched from them. (In Karnataka, some very able ministers from Lingayat community were ignored by Yeddyurappa. It will be the same thing with Jat or Yadav leader). The other communities do not curb their community members, they promote them. There is nothing right or wrong.

    Concerns regarding faith conversion of tribal community has to be addressed at some point. No doubt about the great works of missionaries in promoting education and their social work in tribal areas. Their contribution to the local culture is also immense. In the case of Karnataka, epigraphy of Mysore region, first Kannada-English dictionary, everything was the work of missionaries. These kind of works gets eclipsed by conversion activities. No one opposes wilful conversion to any faith. But tribals are too vulnerable to make a decision. This policy (of conversion) cannot be dealt locally in a tribal way. It has to be addressed globally and maturely by a central minister, communicating with churches of highest orders in abroad (who are policy makers). He should make them realise, how the hard work of missionaries in tribal areas, their efforts to improve conditions of tribal community is disregarded because of this promotional activity. But government always hopes the problems to get dissolved themselves. This would result in unfortunate incidents like a local goon burning a priest, who came to serve.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Obviously Syrian Christians are an exception but same can not be said for other sects of xtianity.
    However I consider Christians a productive part of India who have helped India grow and in return they have tried to lure hindus to xtianity sometimes legally but mostly illegally.
    But I don’t have issues with them as it is possible for us to hold a dialogue with them unlike muslims.

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  • Sumanyu

    It is sickening to find Vinod Sharma defend the congress on TV debates. Would he have done the same thing if it was Vajpayee in place of Manmohan Singh and so many scams had taken place ? No. But unfortunately, almost every alternate evening on Timesnow I find a sorry spectacle of this up the hill journalist stoutly defending the undefensible, that is defending the congress. On CVC issue also he is repeatedly saying that lets wait for things to pan out as the SC is monitoring the CVC issue. What non sense. In fact his pro congress leanings are so obvious that RaviShankar Prasad of the BJP just said two days back that Vindo Sharma should stop playing the role of a congressman (Sharma as usual was defending the congress which was not represented in the debate). And why is the Hindustan Times shy of taking Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi to task for all these scams. The money is definitely going to the congress coffers and the personal coffers of the Gandhi family. Do we expect such a third grade journalism from Vinod Sharma ? Such attitude of people like Sharma, Barkha Dutt is obnoxious. The problem is these people are too scared of the BJP coming to power and hence they attempt to brush all the sins of the congress under the carper. But now people have become very clever and will not listen or believe in what rubbish is said by these congress mouthpieces like Sharma. It gives rise to suspicion in my mind that Sharma must be surely a beneficiary of congress largesse to the mediamen. All birds of the same feather.

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    V.K.CHAWLA Reply:

    You are very clearly wrong that people will not listen to like of Vinod Sharma as you can go through the cheqeured history of electorate in this country . Even vast bunglings by Nehru , in every sphere of warfare preparedness & border management in NEFA , in north eastern warfare with china in 1962 & loosing out to china thousands of acres of area , where our soldiers were literally bare handed to fight with a well prepared China who in the guise of HINDI CHINI BHAI BHAI done everything to force a war on unprepared India in the night of Oct.’62 , no roads in border areas on our side in comparison to China which has roads upto INDO CHINA border, when General Kaul rushed to Delhi from NEFA where he was visiting border areas instead of controlling the positions , Congress still won , in elections . After the Bhopal disaster in 1984 , Election in Madhya Pradesh in Feb.’1985 , Congress won handsomely inspite of killing of thousands & maimed many times more , in its Capital , by a poisonous gas . Even in 1947 , when country was partitioned & our lacs of people were butchered & thousands of girls raped & murdered while in transition , property worth crores of crores looted , still congress still reaped the gains of election . So don’t be revel in misunderstanding that electorate in our country are seeing through the games of corruption & manipulations of Congress . At the time of election , most of them vote for the things you can’t even imaigine . We , Indians do the things which is not normal in any democracy . Jhugi Jhonpri , clusters of villagers though vote ten times in each election , I know you will wonder how it is possible but I have seen it happening many times but our high society people , middle class families enjoy the holiday for a picnick but not go far vote in nearby voting booth .So be wary of your a silly bit conclusions , in a haste.Congress knows this , thats why they are least worried of high price rise , corruption & other silly things which can affect BJP but not congress .Have you not seen this haughtiness of Congress in their press conferences , Vinod Sharma included.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Chawla saheb

    A very correct analysis. I totally agree. We can only blast the govt. from the comforts of our drawing rooms but would hardly bother to stand in a long que at polling booths during election times. Yes, you are very right when u say that govt. does not depend on the middle class for votes—they hardly do any canvassing with them. The bulk of the votes come from another section of population which we all know.
    BNA

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  • Sumanyu

    On TV Sharma looks like some LACHAR person defending the congress in the hope that Sonia/Manmohan Singh will notice his work of defending the congress on TV and reward him suitably.
    I pity him. Indians deserve better journalists.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Vinod
    When the going gets tough, Toughs get going.
    Where you are?

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  • V.K.CHAWLA

    As was suspected , CBI has downsized the loss through 2G Telecom to 22,000 crores only , the wrong direction given by Sibal , the present Telecom Minister . The estimated loss from 2G Telecom scam by CAG was between 78,000 crores and 1.76 lac crores . Taking the wrong & funny leads from Sibal , CBI has downsized it to like a peanut to underestimate the crimes of A.Raza . All those who were discussing in media , the 2G Telecom scam happenings , more or less propounding theory that as SC is monitoring the case , it will do the wonder to nab the right persons , irrespective of their high positions & SC is right place to investigate the Telecom Scam instead of JPC , the theory the the Congress party always put forward , as they knows fully well the CBI , the Congress Bureau of Investigation will never let down them . But all these forget the spin masters of Congress to damage this lead as it is clear that CBI has how conveniently downsized the estimates of crimes of A.Raza & who knows what more such like master strokes are in its sleeve in future course of case , supplied clandestinely by the conspiracy makers in the Congress party such as Diggy Raja , the likes of him are in the party by dozens , making falsehood in the country a pastime , that also very cleverly , making fools of the voters , in this process .

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  • Rajiv

    A rare positive story on India from pak process.

    Hind yatra —Farrukh Khan Pitafi

    Our Indian peers, especially the media and intellectuals, thought that Pakistan was ready to implode with chances of our nuclear arsenal being seized by extremists. Was it only wishful thinking, paranoia, or objective thinking when observed detachedly?

    India, I was forewarned, is highly addictive. Of course I should have learned more from the example of this paper’s Op-Ed Editor, but I did not. Here was I landing at the Indira Gandhi International Airport at Delhi. Why was I there? As I have not written any book or novel thus far, you can hardly expect me to participate in the Jaipur Literary Festival. No, I was there with a media delegation on the invitation of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA). During the seven days spent in India we were supposed to have exhaustive meetings with senior Indian officials, media personnel, think tanks, businesses, visits to renowned places like the Taj Mahal and events like the Republic Day Parade. And if we were lucky we could get to meet some Bollywood stars too. In the latter case I knew I had to find Amir Khan and take his autograph and a snap with him for my four-year-old. But more on that later.

    When we landed at the Indira Gandhi International Airport, the first thing that appealed to me was the size and beauty of the new terminal. With the exception of the mismatched carpet quite reminiscent of our country’s own airports, the terminal told us that India is in the big league now. The journey to the hotel was long compared to the distance that we were supposed to cover, just like the by road visit to Agra that we undertook the next day, but not too tiring. And another aspect, no matter how much we want to believe otherwise, is how easily our Indian peers, common folk, at least in the cities and places we were exposed to, could work across the proverbial communal divide. It was a journey of introspection too. As the son of a late soldier who has fought two wars with India, my maiden visit was bringing down several myths that I had grown up with. It was as if we were to walk into an alternative interpretation of history and an alternative dimension of Pakistan’s own reality. Was all this truly convincing? Some of it alas was not. Underneath the shining skin of India one could see some incredible fault lines, the most daunting among them the divide between the urban rich and the rural poor, as was visible during our road trip to Agra. Another problem that their own news channels were highlighting from Davos was of infrastructure. India is investing considerably in its infrastructure, but not rapidly enough to match its population and economic growth. More needs to be done if India wants to sustain its growth rate.

    Another interesting dimension is the number of vegetarian and liquor stores lining up the roads. Imagine a roadside food outlet dedicated to vegetarian food in Pakistan and think of our collective response to it. Also imagine liquor selling this openly in the Islamic Republic. But honestly folks, it is not as if nobody eats non-vegetarian food in India. During our stay we sampled a number of Indian delicacies, both vegetarian and non-vegetarian, and always found the local populace sharing the culinary delights. Idli, dosa, sambar, thaalis and chutneys presented to us only enhance the diversity and sheer size of Indian culture.

    In the beginning a formal orientation was given to us by the Joint Secretary Pakistan-Afghanistan-Iran (PAI), Mr Yash Sinha, and MEA Spokesman Mr Vishnu Prakash. And then began a hailstorm of meetings, the most important of which were with the media, a think tank and Indian officials. It gave us an Indian perspective on Pakistan. There was considerable shock at the assassination of Governor Salmaan Taseer. Concerns were raised on what was perceived as the worsening law and order situation in Pakistan, and the chances of an extremist takeover. In short, our Indian peers, especially the media and intellectuals, thought that Pakistan was ready to implode with chances of our nuclear arsenal being seized by extremists. Was it only wishful thinking, paranoia, or objective thinking when observed detachedly? One thing is for sure. Every fact was being interpreted in a peculiar way. Was it possible that they were not ready to listen to an alternative perspective? Many of us tried to introduce a paradigm shift by telling our Indian colleagues that all this could also be interpreted as Pakistan’s attempts to find a long lasting solution to its long-standing problems. That it could prove that our country was really combating the extremists hard and that the fundamentalist forces were so insecure that they killed the Punjab governor just for an innocuous statement. Did we succeed in convincing them? I think at the very least the tone of the meetings changed substantially after our submissions and we found people more receptive to the need for a sustainable peace process.

    One annoying fact during our two major interactions with the media and intellectuals was that two renowned Muslim seculars who were chosen to spearhead the Indian side were trying to re-prove their loyalty to their motherland by being tough on Pakistan. It was a grim reminder of the fact that while Indian society owns its Muslim citizens, the secular intellectuals among the Muslim community had failed to emerge out of their insecurities. Nevertheless, with some factual corrections and interventions the dialogue went fine.

    The visit was also an excellent opportunity to appreciate in person the contrast between Indian and Pakistani diplomacy. While the Indian officials were very open and cordial towards us, our own High Commission’s attitude towards us was highly bureaucratic. Just see the difference. Since the Indian Minister of External Affairs had to cancel a scheduled meeting with us owing to Pundit Bheem Singh’s death, he chose to come meet us at our hotel. However, our own High Commissioner could not find time for us until the last day of the visit. And when we returned to Delhi from Mumbai during the wee hours, Mr Abid Saeed, our press counsellor, misbehaved with me when I reminded him that the invitation to the lunch with the High Commissioner was scheduled to take place barely hours before our flight home.

    But generally the visit went exceptionally well. To my daughter’s dismay I could not find Amir Khan. But there is no doubt that India, especially Delhi, is highly addictive. We returned home with fondest memories.
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201124\story_4-2-2011_pg3_4

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    I too liked the article and have sent the following response to the author of the article:

    Bangalore
    4th February, 2011

    Dear Farukh Saheb,

    I read with great interest your article, “HIND YATRA” in today’s Daily Times, Pakistan. At the end of it I couldn’t stop myself from admiring your sincerity and also boldness in speaking out in a vein, which will surely attract some disapproval within your own country. Please accept my hearty congratulations.

    I am writing this letter to you from the view point of an ordinary Indian. According to me there are two types of us: secular Indians and normal Indians.The seculars are those who have, for six decades and more, expressed great sympathy, understanding and support to the plight of the Muslim masses of India but have hardly done anything worthwhile to change their lives. If their lives have still changed, it is in spite of the seculars and not because of them. It may, to a large extent, be due to the inborn urge among all human beings to improve their economic and social conditions.

    The other kind of Indians are normal Indians, who form a significant majority, most of whom are economically and socially in the same or near about the same conditions as the Muslims of India. These Indians believe in the principle of ‘live and let live’ and have been doing everything to practise the precept.

    Fortunately for you, you have mostly met this kind of Indians during your Indian sojourn. Or else, you would very likely have carried a distorted image of India back with you. I hope the next time you will take time to visit the south of India and will carry more happy experiences back with you.

    With Best Wishes,

    Sincerely yours

    B.V.SHENOY

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Friends,

    Hindustan Times has already begun what it is always adept at: trying to re-build the UPA’s image which prersently is in the dung-heep. Look at the “survey” specially commissioned by HT no sooner Raja was arrested. Conveniently too, HT has got the results it sought, to show the people that large sections (of people) are still with the UPA :

    Q:DOES RAJA’S ARREST SIGNAL GOVT’S AIM TO FIGHT CORRUPTION?
    YES:55%
    NO :36%

    Q: WHICH PARTY IS MORE SERIOUS ABOUT FIGHTING CORRUPTION?
    CONGRESS:25%
    BJP:21%

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Arre baba, an OUTLOOK – IBN survey has already proved that 8% Indians think that BJP is corrupt and 32% think that the Congress is most corrupt.

    So unless Congress gives back the Rupees 1,760000000000000000 it will find it very very difficult to win 2014.. :D

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    What they have not disclosed is that this survey was conducted within the premises of 10 , Janpath Marg, New Delhi.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    and under strict guidance of the queen mother who loves all Indians equally but some chosen ones like Thomas more.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Rajiv

    Nice article.

    The Indian fear of an Islamic Pakistan out to destroy the whole world through a nuclear disaster, does come out. Reasonable people like this journalist like Farrukh Khan can convey this to the Pakistani people.

    Wish Sal and Azhar who believe that Pakistan is rich and India is poor would read this. :) :)

    We should give more power to such journalists who are willing to see the wrong efects of Pakistani vision and policies, more power.

    Of course someone (guess who :) ) is just going to say that Pakistan has some bad people and India too has some bad people so it all cancels out ! :D

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  • Raghavendra

    Mr Sharma

    after hearing our present AG Mr Goolam Vahanavati is with out doubt a very thick skinned guy and he has every quality in his veins to be a congress member post retirement.

    i feel this man’s only plus point to be an ATTORNEY GENERAL is that he is a MUSLIM and our
    DESH BHAKT CONGRESSIS have shown him this SECULAR FAVOUR.

    i feel this AG is a master at few things. one uttering blatant lies, two defending indefensible things.
    first he said appointment of CVC was not discussed in the meeting between PM, HM and leader of opposition. when the HM contradicted him he is now saying that leader of opposition can not VETO the CVC appoint ment,

    Mr AG who on earth said the leader of opposition can VETO appointment of CVC?
    dear MANNU BHAI is doing everything in his 2nd term to destroy his party i feel MANNU BHAI is doing a great service to BJP by giving them issues on a platter.

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  • Linusmvs2

    Thousands of lives?? stop inflating the figures. Get correct data, logic argument and then blabber.

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  • Ganesh

    If you support Congress point of view
    —– then its not a balance view, which is pointed by many. we might as weel listen to digvijay singh.
    Modi is not the FIRST chief minister to sustain the development
    —- ok name a few others
    idiotic attacks on her by BJP supporters
    — as you mentioned earlier, she support congress, others hv right to put their point of view, take it or leave it, but you cannot say stupid.
    No one has a right to vilify,abuse and belittle anyone with a different opinion.
    ,I am a Hindu so I have to support Modi
    —— , who told you ? who forced you, you can vote any one
    Wow,what a democracy I am living in.
    — clearly you don’t know the meaning of democracy, where you can support any one. even without this basic knowledge of democracy, you better shut up….

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  • Anonymous

    “Somehow I fear or feel that Team Anna has shown unwarranted haste in taking a plunge into the political arena, even though their aim may have been to mobilise public opinion in favour of Jan Lokpal Bill.”

    To me it sounds like you are saying team Anna has done the wrong thing by taking PANGA with dictatorial Congress. I agree. Congress will go to any extent to protect its vote bank..It can tolerate anything but can not tolerate dent to vote bank. Anna may be lathicharged by congress soon.

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  • Vedgautam

    Congress is going to win Hissar bu hook or by crook. The crooks will manipulate the elections and declare V so that Anna learns a lesson. Congress is a party of crooks . They are using Sonia and rahul after Sonia. The Crook party is going to win.

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    Guru Reply:

    Gautam Saheb, Sonia is using Congress or Congress is using Sonia? I think Sub Chor hain.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    The main problem that the minorities endure since Independance is that all secular politicians “pander to their sentiments”, without doing anything concrete as a solution to their various other problems. Digvijay’s is a classic example – he was closer to PV Narasimha Rao who in turn was closer to the RSS and Digvijay played a greater role between the RSS and PVNR during the Babri fiasco – and yet Digvijay is further vitiating the atmosphere by constantly speaking out against the RSS, without the Congress doing anything worthwhile for the Muslims of India. Fraud-secularists these, rather than pseudo-secularists.

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  • Anonymous

    anna is a one man army who has already destroyed congress. upa allies realise they are in a sinking boat. sharad pawar, mamata may withdraw anytime. 99% people want lokpal and they are with anna

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HWD23WYFPVEFKVSA6KOBFLGJNY jammy

    He lavishes in luxury while his middle class 10k employees don’t get paid for months, what would you call such thick skinned human being or is he.
    Even today he is busy with his F1 games in europe while his employees don’t even have money to travel to work. Disgusting fellow

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  • Indian

    wah wah..
    islam is the religion of peace.. they were original financial wizards of the world..
    without islam world wouldn’t be the same..
    anything else mr.zia haq from pakistan?

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  • ag

    If India were truly paranoid about Muslims then this artcle wouldn’t have appeared on HT. As for the content, the article is remarkably deficient in logic or in details. The only sentence that attempts to explain Islamic finance is: “The fundamental requirement of any investment under Islamic finance is to share both reward and risk.” This is a flimsy statement, as ALL financing has this characteristic.

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    KMO Reply:

    If all financing share reward and risk why banks do not write off interest where the borrower shows a loss. People/Banks lending for interest alsways want the reward only. They do not want to share the risk of the borrower and they want profit only.

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  • gajanan

    Once Germany comes out with solar energy breakthrough in a chip for 24 hrs power and now with the pvt sector In USA leapfrogging into solar and battery storage all money from Middle East will hit all time low. Then there is electric car which was blocked by the fossil fuel lobby for long is soon coming out with reduced cost ( Tesla is the first one).. The electric car and this concept for heavy vehicles and airplanes will hit middle east income to an all time low. Oil dependance will become very low. This has dawned too late even in the West. It is late , but it will surely come. Not to worry. The flow of finance from middle east will hit a all time low in the next 5 to 6 yrs. This augurs well for world peace also. .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not nearly as optimistic. The problem of battery storage is solvable, but it will take at least a decade… long enough for the west to transfer over an additional $10 trillion for oil.

    Oil has allowed a culture to obtain far more power and influence than it would otherwise. But assuming the battery issue is solved, I look forward to a world where cultures live and prosper solely on their merit rather than from free money (or oil).

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    gajanan Reply:

    The US Department of Energy has to get in . The oil lobby had blocked coal bed methane ( natural gas) for decades. After great tussle with the oil lobby , this industry has taken shape. This also has problems with the environment. The Department of Energy in US has to get in the solar energy race, batteries as well as the electric car, which was pushed off by the oil lobby some years back.. The batteries area also very little funding is there. Yes they can, but is there a will to do. USA has to get into new energy sources, then all the excess money you have written about will plummet and as you have written there will be meritorous living.

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  • MN Kaul

    there is nothing like islamic Music. You will have Fathwa against you even for saying Islamic Music.
    First it started with separate electorate, separate language followed by partition. Do you want second partition. Reservations for Muslims followed by Shariah banking is sure recepie for another partition and disaster. The fact is Islam has never believed nor will ever believe in secularism.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Kaul
    You would have been right had you said that there is nothing like Islamic Fundamentalist Music.

    However, as you and every one knows there is a lot of Normal Islamic Music.

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  • Ahmed

    Not to mention that Islamic Finance is not restricted to Muslims. You don’t even have to call it “Islamic”. And anyone, muslim or non-muslim can take part in it. BSE launched a TASIS shariah compliant index, where not only muslims but non-muslims invest.

    Loonies like Swamy and Co. are the epitome of how illeberalism is not the sole perogative of one religion or race. We have harvard education people like Swamy doing the same

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  • gajanan

    An alternative to oil is coming in the next five-7 yrs. Germans are on the verge of a breakthrough in solar cells for 24 hrs in a chip. When all said solar cells will occupy a football ground , Germans did the reverse. They have made huge power savings with only roof top area solar panels. You can see in many countries solar panels on roof tops generating power to the grid and not dependant on oil or coal. The grid power is still being used, but there is a huge saving. Germans were the first to do this. Germany has very less sunshine , but they generate maximum power thru solar energy.

    In US pvt sector is also in the race. Unfortunately the Department of Energy in USA is not funding because of vested interests of senators in oil companies. The electric car was shut down by this oil lobby is making a come back. This electric car concept can be transferred to all vehicles even airtravel. Fuel cells drove space craft and not oil. This is also being pursued very vigorously. it will surely come. The battery as a fuel is also coming. MIT has done commerical work in this area. If the department of energy in USA enters in a big way for alternatives to oil, then oil price will plummet to a record low, because , then the competition will push the alternatives to come sooner. Man is always innovative . The truimph of spirit and science will plummet oil prices to a new low. Once oil price plummets very low , what is the use of this banking with scarce funds

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  • Rameen

    you are absolutely right about Islamic banking being popular as Vatican itself urged to look into Islamic banking to overcome financial crisis.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aOsOLE8uiNOg&refer=italy

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  • Sumit Bose

    A very close friend of mine is holding a very important position in a the 2nd largest bank in Bangladesh, and he (though being born in a Muslim family) scoffs at Islamic banking as a veil that meant only to deceive. The “share” amount handed out to each depositor is almost identical to the interest offered by the other (non-islamic) banks in each country. He explained , and that clarified for me once and for all the hoax named “Islamic Banking”.
    Say Rs 100 is deposited and after a year the depositor is told:
    Rs 15 from your deposit was put into A’s cycle repair business, but he has got a job in Japan and has left, so that has earned nothing.
    Rs 20 was put into a new saree factory and that has returned no profit for this year, but looks promising for the next year.
    Rs 15 was put in the car purchased by a Mr A, and that has repayment of Rs 3/-, and so on.
    Such a bank would see a immediate wholesale run on its balances.
    Because conservative muslims need to assuage their fear of hell-fires that the terms ‘Islamic’ and ‘halal’ are bandied about in large dollops in every muslim country. and would you believe, in Bangladesh I had the amusement of seeing “halal” soaps and “halal” compass boxes!
    This Muslim cannot meet any points raised by Dr Swamy, hence this diatribe. Mr Swamy has more “economics” in his little finger than this Muslim could garner in all his being..
    Makes me wonder why a rather very sensible demand of Dr Ambedkar was shouted out; he wanted a complete transfer of populations to go hand with the transfer of assets and land. we in India, would be free of devious minds as this moslem convert.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Bose
    Once again I think you seem to fail to make a point. Anecdote is fine, but what is the point.

    If “Share” is identical, mathematically, to “Interest” then so what. What is is underlying issue.

    One could say that Two चपाती and दाल served in a ढाभा are no different than those that are served in a गुरु का लँगर. The difference is that to those who believe in such things the taste of the लँगर (sanctified food) is very different.

    Likewise, to those who believe that Sharia Banking is more humane then “share” is very different from “interest”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi, ignorance is bliss. Interest goes up and down , according to economic climate , ALSO HOW THE HELL ISLAMIC BANK WILL GET DEPOSITS FROM SAVERS , AND IF THEY USE SHARIA PORKY INSTRUMENTS like investing that money somewhere , ISN’T THAT WHAT FUND MANAGERS DO.
    To “those who beleive” beating your wife for refusing sex is okay , should be asked to settle in the DESERTS of arabia , AND LEAVE US KAFFIRS to enjoy DONATO BRAMANTE

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Ofcourse ignorance is bliss and prejudice fuels hevenly illusion of Ram Rajya.

    This link may help removal of the first. For the second you are on your own and can freely enjoy PRONTO BRHAMANTE (भ्रमंते) in Gravesend.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_banking

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi, the islamic banker, WHAT HAPPENED TO GERMAN BANKING CRISIS , INDIAN BANKING CRISIS , SWEDISH BANKING CRISIS, or did they avoid because theyy were SHARIA COMPLIANT
    Submission is the operative word when it comes to your STANCE

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure I get your point.

    Not for the first time you are off piste.

    There are NO Banking Crisis in the Middle East, where Islamic Banking is the norm.

    The problem is that you are only against this, alternative form of Banking, because it has the word Islamic attached to it. Had it been Co-operative Banking or Gramine Banking system you would have been less venomous.

    Make the point leave abuse to Vijay and Shnenoy, they are tons better at it than you ever will be.

    Guest Reply:

    Oh boy. “liberal Hindu” Ravi only has respect for the Arab cult but only hate for his “own” religion. :-) . A very “liberal Hindu” indeed or maybe a practioner of taqqiya against the knave kafirs.

  • Neel

    Just because US, UK and other countries are adopting it … doesn’t mean it should be done in India as well. Majority of them are Christian countries and their laws are not the same as we have in India. Also, the Muslims there are little more matured then the one’s in India.

    If Indian Muslims are really fond of Sharia law and Islamic finance then they better migrate to middle-east or Pakistan. They don’t do that … because they know what respect they get in those countries.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Neel
    In these countries Indian Hindus do not fare any better.

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    Guest Reply:

    “liberal Hindu” Ravi quietly slipped in a lie there hoping that no be will notice. Haha..Hindus don’t fare any better. Really? Really?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Most people outside India can not tell the difference between an Indian (Hindu) and a Pakistani (Muslim) if you think that is a lie then you live in a cloud cukoo land.

    Guest Reply:

    Another deflection. No one claimed that. Your point is Hindus are not doing better in those countries. That’s a premeditated lie from “liberal Hindu” Ravi. Looks like “liberal Hindu” Ravi is not just illiberal but also is deceitful.

    Ravi Reply:

    आओ ट्विस्ट करें

  • vijay !

    @ Ravi

    So how is life in Tora Bora?

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  • Anonymous

    Just returned from Milan , THE LAND OF PORK(parma ham). Islamic civilization hasn’t produced anything comparable to HIGH RENAISSANCE, leonardo , the last supper , at santa maria del grazia.
    WHAT BARBARAISM RELIGION CAN INFLICT SAW WITH OWN EYES.
    The bishop had enlarged the door entrance to a KITCHEN , thus chopping of a part of the painting showing christ’s legs under the table .
    AS FOR ISLAMIC BANKING , IT IS AN UTTER FAILURE IN UK , I had discussed this at length in Vinod Sharma’s blog , let me do a copy and paste of the same

    Folks , was rather busy watching Euro 2012 , but found time to watch a
    discussion on NDTV.What i heard SENT SHIVERS DOWN MY SPINE.
    apparently CONgress is thinking about allowing ISLAMIC BANKING in India.
    Subramanium Swamy , for whom I have great respect (he is a harvard graduate)
    was
    rightly strident in his opposition to the idea. This may open the
    floodgates for terrorist funding. Also a canard is being propagated
    about the success of islamic banking in UK.THIS IS A LIE . Islamic
    banking has been an utter failure in uk.http://shar.es/mkVXs. here is a quote from a hardcore jihadi website
    “Since its inception IBB has never made a profit. Not once, not ever.
    Rather, the company has reported combined losses of almost £45 million
    (GBP), and its shares have lost more than 95% of their value since the
    highs enjoyed during the early years. But at least it’s fared better
    than many of its contemporaries in the industry. So what about the rest
    of the UK’s Islamic finance providers?

    Well, the UK’s first Halal insurance firm, Salaam Insurance,
    spectacularly shut up shop in 2009 after less than 18 months of trading.
    Lloyds TSB, which made a half-hearted stab at Shariah-compliant
    products in 2004, doesn’t seem to have promoted its offering for years.
    alburaq – owned by Arab Banking Corporation – has effectively withdrawn
    its savings and mortgage products from the mass market and now serves
    only the wealthiest of customers.”
    Apparently ISLAMIC BANKS wont lend to a butcher who does not practice two and a half slit ,and to PORK SELLERS.
    DOESN’T INDIA’S CLAIM TO BE A SECULAR REPUBLIC LOKKS LIKE A CRUELJOKE.
    Also i understood WHY MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL REMAIN LAGGARD FOR ANOTHER 500 YRS.
    This
    ex diplomat WAJAHAT HABIBULLAH rather than come out and openly
    declare his opposition to RELIGION MEDDLING IN MODERN BANKING , PRACTICE
    , he was ctually supporting it. His argument , apparently 1000crore is
    lying idle. That means muslims are stashing away this money rather than
    deposit it in a bank FOR WANT OF A ISLAMIC BANK

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  • Abu Ahmed

    What Muslims need is more micro-finance and all those schemes which the govt offers to fellow Indians, to be disbursed without any discrimination & injustice on grounds of religion. Several national banks in Hyderabad refused to open savings accounts for economically weaker Muslim students who were granted educational scholarships by the govt. It needed much cajoling, convincing and pleading at the branch manager’s level just to open a savings account enabling those Muslim students to receive their scholarships. With this kind of hatred, animosity and resistance that Muslims have to surmount in order to receive a government disbursed scholarship at the local bank level, one can imagine the kind of revulsion, hatred and loathing that the mere mention of the name Islamic finance induces in the educated, extremist Hindu. Subbu Swamy is the best example of that.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Agreed

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    Guest Reply:

    If what you are saying about banks not allowing Muslims to open savings account, that’s a crime under Indian anti discrimination laws. You shouldn’t be pleading with the banking manager. You should be reporting him. Are you sure that they were refused accounts because of their religion or because of other legal reasons like not being able show permanent address and such?

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  • Ravi

    Gunjan
    Money may not have a reigion, but can the same also be said about the SYSTEM that governs it?

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    Guest Reply:

    That’s definitely tru in Islamist countries whom you unabashedly admire. “liberal Hindu”? Seriously? What’s liberal about Saudi Arabia or the Arab cult for that matter? Ravi…..

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    Ravi Reply:

    Its beauty entirely rests on the fact that you do not understand it, but you possess
    this strong urge to abuse it.

    That makes you an unreformed Islamophobe.

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    Guest Reply:

    Wherever this Arab cult rules, there is extreme fanaticism and retrograde human condition. This is a pattern all across the globe with very few exceptions. Is that fact too inconvenient to “liberal Hindu” Ravi? What does this intentional inability to see things make you? A pseudo “liberal Hindu” ? :-) . By the way, is “islamophobe” a new tag for realists? Haha

    Ravi Reply:

    Not at all. Islamophobe is a tag for Islamophobes just like you.

  • Ravi

    Mr Mitra, well said and I agree with you.

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  • Anonymous

    Swamy’s daughter is happily married to a Muslim. He has not disowned her, rather they live with him on and off.
    His hatred is not to any group; but to the violent Islamists and the conditions that promote violent extremism – liek the congress’ sucking Muslims always

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    Ravi Reply:

    congress’ sucking Muslims always is wrong!!

    Where as always sucking Hindus Phaluuda is OK.

    His views on the Ram Saetu, Article 370, etc. and the fact that he took a secular Janta party and converted it into a Hindu Fundo Saffron party is neither here nor there.

    Just look how shril his views on Islam are.

    When it comes to sucking, lets face it he has a mouth and you know sucking is a neo-natal reflux.

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  • Anonymous

    JP Morgan, Citibank, Morgan Stanley and few more banks have Islamic bankings. That is just to attract money from Arabs in a different format. Only
    fools will believe that these banks follow Shria type of banking when investing
    the funds recieved from Musim investors. The reason Arabs want Sharia complaint banking is only to spread Islam. In doing this they don’t mind losing
    few billions. It is impossible to run a Islmic back formed on Sharia laws in today’s
    world.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr GulamMohamadIslamophobe.

    That is just to attract money from Arabs in a different format.

    So tell me who is being cynical in the above statement. The Muslim Arab who is giving money, with the intention of spreading Islam, or the western Banks, who despite this very knowledge, are willingly accepting the money and therefore the Islamic Influence.

    Has thinking got out of fashion in your tribe.

    Oh BTW while you are in the mood for explaing perhaps you can explain what your ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS says about the following BANKING CRISIS of the last 5 years or so.

    1 The Icelandic Banking Crisis.
    2. The US Banking Crisis.
    3. The Irish Banking Crisis.
    4. The UK Banking Crisis.
    5. The current Spanish Banking Crisis.

    So much for the Western Banking System.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Didn’t realise YOU WILL BE SO BRAZEN IN YOUR SUPPORT FOR FELLOW JIHADIS. so according you 1,We should all get circumcised2. Marry four times , divorce by just uttering Talaq four times3. You may consider putting up a matrimonial ad for a 15yr old virgin happy to emigrate to UK. And everythink will be hunky dory .By the way shall we embrace Shia or Sunni branch of islam.Given your outpourings it has to be WAHABI SUNNI.
    If a drug is discovered from the PIG’S BLOOD which cures CANCER. What would advice your BROTHERHOOD , die a horrible death or take the medicine which rest of humanity will have no problem with.
    Lots of medicines produce SIDE EFFECTS , how about discarding western medicine and fall back on islamic scriptures
    A little thought to munch with yout dal chappati in your langar
    along with Ascot PORK PIES AND MUREE BEER brewed in the
    soft spot ofyour heart MUREE IN PAKISTAN, near SIALKOT

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    I said none of the above.

    All of it is said by you.

    How revealing!!!!!

    I reccomend anger management course. I am told the NHS runs them free for their staff.

    Guest Reply:

    Fools (Arabs) deserve to be fooled. Let’s see how the world treats them when the oil dries up. They will understand their true worth then. Unfortunately for them, they can’t do what their ancestors did under the guidance of Mohammad. That is plunder and loot civilized societies. “liberal Hindu” Ravi, are you sure that you are liberal and Hindu? I wonder why a liberal guy would support 6th century primitive practices from Arabia. Only an arabized would do that.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am about as sure about my Liberalism as I am of your fascism and irrational Islamophobia

    Guest Reply:

    Fascism is about imposing ones beliefs on others. Islamist is intrinsically fascist in nature. “liberal Hindu” Ravi, you know that Hinduism cannot be that way because it’s not setup for that. But you would agree with that because you are “liberal Hindu” Ravi who support illiberal Islamism.

    Ravi Reply:

    Main stream Hinduism is not fascist, but RSS interpretation of it is. To me mainstream Hinduism is one of the most noblest religion in the world.

    Whatever I am, I am. But you are most certainly are a crypto fascist.

    Guest Reply:

    And you are a supporter of a dangerous fascist Arab cult because you are a pseudo “liberal Hindu” poser. People who support foreign cults are generally called as traitors. But anyways, you have been propagandized. There is not much hope for this arabized nitwit who calls himself “liberal Hindu”.

  • Anonymous

    Ravi, the word proportionality does not exist in your lexicon ,particularly when discussing islamic fundo vs hindu fundos

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    Ravi Reply:

    You mean just as words like Rationality and Humanity exist in your lexicon but always devoid of any meaning or conviction.

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  • Sumit Bose

    @ “Ravi” I would treat the Hindu and Christian ‘nut-heads’ with the same logic of humanistic principles as I treat the devious and brutal concepts in Islam. You have not met any point raised by me, but went up a self created diversion and are attempting to get “brownie-points”. All you have successed is to expose your total bias against anything Hindu thus making a fool of yourself. Come on, get a life that has some ethics and with a trace of nation building.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Bose
    If what you say is the truth then I will appreciate your contributions.
    Though I must say that those that I have read so far have been mainly anti muslim, irrationally so.

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  • Sumit Bose

    @Tasneem, Please, you have had the benefit of secular education, why dont to exticate your grey cells from the madrassa pits.
    Today’s economics has not been invented by an individual but it developed as a science based on the experience of economic dealings and transactions followed by man from time immemorial. It is ridiculous that some Muslim fanatics are toiling to mould that science to accommodate the dictates of an illiterate fellow, who lived in Arabia 1,400 years ago, whose economic wisdom was limited to plundering and looting the wealth and riches of the infidel kafirs. But these stupid Muslim economists are striving hard to establish a nonsensical economic theory that suited the 7th century Arabia. Beside that, these stupid economists are claiming that their nonsensical economic theory is far superior to the conventional 21st century economics. May Allah help them to develop their superior economic theory and lead them to prosperity, without moulding the conventional financial sciences to give Islamic color. Coming to figures that we can account , Isklamic banking thathas its origins onlyabot 25 years ago in Saudi Arabia, it is a total prorpoganda non-issue, only to be screamed about, not to be used for one’s hard earned money.

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    Tasneem Reply:

    Interest free banking is not created by any individual but by the Creator of the individual who is well aware of the science of every individual. ”
    Today’s economics has not been invented by an individual but it developed as a science based on the experience of economic dealings and transactions followed by man from time immemorial” and that’s why its failing.Human and Creator do differ.
    The modern bank focuses only on money, not caring weather the borrower is benefiting from it or not, not concerned weather the borrower will be able to pay the interest or not, all it wants is its money back at right time otherwise increase in the rate of interest ultimately leading to suicide of the depressed. Its poison, a slow poison. Whereas interest-free banking equally shares the profit and loss of the borrower. Mind me. profit and LOSS.
    now look for yourself, which system is barbaric?

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    Guest Reply:

    Ok. Allah from Arabia created the banking system “scientifically”. You can’t even leave science alone. You have insert religion and god into that too.

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    Ravi Reply:

    God bless you, for you are beyond any human help.

    Guest Reply:

    :-) . A “liberal Hindu” who is now supporting “Islamic science” also known as vodoo science. This is addition to supporting Islamic sharia, Islamic banking, Islamic Taliban, Islamic this and islamic that..

    Ravi Reply:

    I recommend three deep breaths. Anger
    will pass over and rationality will return, then you will read your own vomit and re-ingest it.

    Guest Reply:

    I recomend not bending over towards Arab lands and not succumbing to imperialism propagated through an Arab cult posing as a religiön. But your case is hopeless. You appear to be a pseudo “liberal Hindu” propagandized nitwit. But you should at least try. Don’t be so weak and Disgrace your ancestors.

    Ravi Reply:

    And you are a dyed in saffron Hindu Fundo a RSS dog

    Tasneem Reply:

    Islam is a complete way of life, its not only a religion

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @Tasneen .agree..Islam is a cult and Islam is ONLY for morons unlimited. Morons who are terrorized not to question or brain numb zombies who wear their phallus where they should be keeping their brains.

    Guest Reply:

    Huh? So you take the Koran to school and throw out all other books since “Islam is the a complete way of life”. Clear sign of arabization.

    Tasneem Reply:

    Islam includes the school education too, various scientific facts which are proved today were revealed in the Quran 1,400 years ago. Back in those days, the people who denied, laughed at those facts but today the same facts are proved true. This itself is a proof that Quran is the true Holy Book revealed from the true Creator. Today you may laugh at interest-free banking but in future it will be proved successful just like the other facts.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @ Tasneen, are you alluding to that “Creator” who got the inheritance percentages totally wrong, just one of the mathematical nonsense summations that even a primary school boy would get right, if he did not study in a any madrassa : ¼ +1/3+2/3= 1 … !!!
    Is his the same “Creator” who laid the earth out as a carpet? of the word of the illiterate wagon-looter/slave-merchant/pedophile/necrophile who said that the sun rests under the throne of Allah each evening?
    Come on dont let people get a terrible opinion of the quality of education you have received over a decade and a half!
    Beside, I just love that sanctimonious tone that emanates from your writing! The arrogance of your ignorance is really wonderful relief.

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  • Guest

    What’s truth got to do with banking ? Honesty maybe but truth? There is nothing philosophical about banking. It’s a business like another enterprise.

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  • http://twitter.com/ShahidBukhari Shahid Bukhari

    Wealth … in any concept … including the Islamic concept, means …
    “Human effort, translated into printed Paper Promissory Notes” … Since its the most practical, and I agree, for it makes the day to day exchanges, easier to conduct than Barter.

    The only conditionality, in Islamic Finance, is, that Wealth should follow the Natural course in a Just Distribution of Wealth, so that “wages of labour” are Justly distributed among the people …

    Because … In Islam … The Flow of Wealth, follows Gravity … Thus, Money flows downward … from the top … to the bottom, in an Islamic society …

    Whereas … In the Swami’s idea … an Ideal Economy is one, where Wealth [is made to flow] in an un-natural direction against all norms … and made to accumulate in a few hands … then these few hands, must pass it on to the top … like IMF.

    The mere renaming of “Interest” … as “Profit” or, the still holier ” Musharika” or “Mudaraba” does not make any Economy, Islamic.
    Just as if Swami adopted
    the name “Abdul Salam” … it does not make him a Muslim.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Money flows fromTOP TO BOTTOM in a CAPITALIST SYSTEM , it is also known as TRICKLE DOWN THEORY.
    In a capitalist system , THERE IS NOTHING CALLED A FREE LUNCH.
    just like if i deposit my money to the bank I EXPECT INTEREST,similarly if the bank lends me money THEY ARE ENTITLED TO ASK FOR INTEREST, which is same as a BIRYANI shop owner asks you for the PRICE that includes labour and not only thr value of rice and meat and also a small profit. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IS IT

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  • Abu

    It is also called ethical banking as Islamic banks will not invest in non-ehtical businesses such as liquor factories, lottery industries, casinos etc. It is purely based on human welfare rather selfishness.

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  • Guest

    How would a “liberal Hindu”. Ravi know how crunchy pork scrachings are? Hahaha. Fake poser.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Simple. They are available in every pub in England. You should try them, they are great with a pint of bitter truth, that you are nothing more than a naked Saffron Terrorist.

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  • Husain

    What so ever, I personally feel Modi wil b the best prime minister of India

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    Malhotra Ji you said it so succinctly. The same thing I was trying to tell Zia Haq Ji but he wears very dark sunglasses….he sees what he only wants to see and shows the same image to the world. HT is a congress mouthpiece and poor muslim sons like Zia are bought-out by Congress…Ab kya kare hamaara toh budhaapa aa gaya hai….ab kissi kaabil netaa kee taarif kare toh BJP agent kehte hai…. 30 saal tak congress ko vote dee aur baad mei realize keeya kee mei toh kuttaa thha…koi alternative nahi thha sahab … ab alternative hai toh laug samjhte nahi…aur ye hamaare padhe likhe musalmaan bhai bik gaye congressiyon kee chavanni-atthannio mei….Jai Hind Jai Modi

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    engrich Reply:

    hargobind bhukkal.muslims vote to congress is rss propaganda.truth is ,muslims are not voting to congress.they are voting to regional parties.

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  • Ravi

    Abu

    I agree with you.

    We are witnessing – hopefully – a reformed Muslim Brotherhood. My view is that the Muslim Brotherhood has been to the extreme, had a good look, and is now moving towards a centre right position. I am sure that there still remain some radical elements within the Brotherhood, but they seem to be losing their influence. This is probably true of other Middle Eastern Muslim parties too.

    Similarly, I believe that Indian Muslims are unique. I do not believe that they have ever been Islamists or Radical in any way. An attempt – under the influence of Saudi Money – was made to radicalise them and it miserably failed. Indian Muslims have seen the kind of fruit radicalism has borne in Pakistan and have collectively decided to not adopt that path.

    However, the RSS/BJP combo and all other branches of the Sangh Parivar provoke them into retaliation as well as push them towards adopting more radical stance. This is purely a political gambit because if one has to make a हउवा then make sure that it is as डरावना as possible. Most Indian Muslim leaders have wisened upto this tactic and no longer respond in a prdictable fashion.

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  • Bharat

    All Indians are one Please don’d divide my Vishal Akhand Bharat

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  • K

    Modi is an honest corrupt free leaders, any sensible people will praise him. Riot is a very bad thing, but it has happened many times under different ruling party. So may question is what is the definition of secularism? if Riot is the one, then no political party is secular.
    Second point is if one party is asking for religion based quota, how it remains secular.
    Third point is, Nitish and team does all caste based politics, how they are secular.
    Modi should be the PM for India for next many years, people will see how India will progress under his leadership….Jai Hind..

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  • Raghavendra

    mr zia haq you want some body like mohammad ali zinnah as indian’s PM and not modi then please tell me that openly and dont beat around the bush. be frank and candid when you choose your leader for PM.

    zia beta india is not your saudi arabia or iran to choose muslim PM who ever becomes a PM 1 thing is always certain.
    indian voters would never allow a muslim to be PM and we must be proud about that.

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  • s.asim

    What can you expect from Zia Haq? Once Shyama Prasad Mukherjee said that there is only one nationalist Muslim and he is Jawahar Lal Nehru. So it explains the attitude of the minority.

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  • engrich

    modi may be good or bad that is another issue.but he he should be punished for killing innocents.zoinism and brhmnsm should not be allowed to flourish.every body should be brought under law.
    community will be saved by allah not by modi or his chamchas.muslims are hard working people.
    all other points are nothing but bullshit usual rss propaganda based on lies.

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