Pakistan consumed by its predatory elite?



Dear Blog-mates,

I recently came across the article reproduced below and thought must share it with you all for a discussion on Pakistan in the context of Salmaan Taseer’s murder. The author feels the assassination is reflective as much of the alienation of the middle and lower class alienation from the country’s governing sections perceived as willing adjuncts of Western-American interests.

I do not agree entirely with the writer’s prognosis. But I feel he brings out rather well the class dimension in the conflict prone society. He has sought to explain — through contemporary and historical perspectives— as to why the dispossessed have gravitated towards vendors of dogma, of religious fanaticism. Is it that they consider elements seen by rest of the world as terrorists the true defenders of Pakistani nationalism driven by its Islamic character?

The author is harsh on “predatory” elites who, according to him, have sold Pakistan’s sovereignty in exchange of western patronage. He doesn’t show the same passion in rejecting resort to violence by Islamic hotheads.

Warm regards,
Vinod Sharma

By: M. Shahid Alam

Pakistan’s English print media – faux liberal and elitist – have been in furor over the recent political murder of Salman Taseer, governor of Punjab, by his own bodyguard. Ostensibly, the governor was assassinated for his obstreperous stand against the judgment of a lower court to hang Aasia Bibi, a Christian woman, for blasphemy against the blessed Prophet.

One columnist in the Express Tribune, with high melodrama, proclaimed that the governor’s murder was the ‘death of reason’ in Pakistan. What reason and whose reason, Pakistanis might well ask, since Pakistan’s faux liberal elites have been strangulating the raison d’etre of Pakistan’s creation for some sixty-four years. More likely, the Tribune columnist feared the death of a different kind of reason: Pakistan’s wealthy and faux liberal elites, by carrying their treachery to extremes, by agreeing to rain death on Pakistanis from the skies, are losing the argument in Pakistan.

Going off on a limb, the governor began attacking Pakistan’s blasphemy law, which has been abused by some Pakistanis to settle personal scores. Is it a fault in the law or its execution? Or is the cause a generally lawless society, where abuses of law starting at the highest levels of society are rampant; and Pakistan’s Christians are not their only unfortunate victims. Nevertheless, the governor erratically took up the cause of Aasia Bibi, and began railing against the blasphemy law, although every previous death sentence under this law has been reversed by the higher courts of the country.

In the midst of a war against ‘extremists,’ it was unwise of the governor to call the law against blasphemy a ‘black law.’ Did he wish the law amended or repealed? If he believed it was ‘black law,’ perhaps he wanted it to be repealed. Pakistanis worried that this was only the start of a campaign to repeal the law -and open the floodgates for Salman Rushdie-style smearing of the blessed Prophet. Another lawmaker from the ruling pro-Western Pakistan People’s Party had announced her intentions to introduce a bill in Parliament to amend the law. Was this an initiative inspired by foreign embassies, some Pakistanis speculated, not unjustifiably in a country where Western embassies routinely poke their nose in the country’s domestic affairs.

There are causes galore to champion in Pakistan. The disappearing of thousands of Pakistanis over the past decade – some handed over to the USA under General Musharraf, the previous dictator – has been crying out for redress. Before the national elections of 2008, the governor’s ruling party had pledged to look into the cases of the disappeared Pakistanis. Once in office, that promise was forgotten. Indeed, the disappearances – especially in Baluchistan – have escalated. Legitimately, Pakistanis may ask, why didn’t this crying shame provoke the governor’s ire – as well as a thousand other instances of victimization of the poor and disenfranchised?

This murder is unfortunate: no reasonable person could disagree with that. Any death outside the law- and not a few inside the law – is unfortunate and a shame. Yet, should we see this murder only as the expression of growing religious fanaticism in Pakistan? One discordant fact to consider is that the slain governor had faced the ire of the Barelvi ‘ulama (religious scholars), who support the popular Sufism of shrine-worship, have worked with the government against hard-line Islamists, and, themselves have been repeated targets of terrorist attacks.

It betrays extreme naivety by Pakistan’s English columnists to examine the governor’s murder in isolation, abstracted from the context and the history of betrayals and conflicts that have bedeviled Pakistan especially over the last decade. To say this is not to excuse the governor’s murder but that is the only path to understanding why it happened, and why the assassin is being lauded by wide swathes of Pakistanis as a hero.

Scan issues of the New York Times or any US newspaper for a story on Pakistan in the years immediately preceding September 2001 and – luckily for Pakistanis then – your pickings will be slim. Those were ‘normal times,’ in a manner of speaking. On January 4 and 5, however, Salman Taseer’s murder was splashed as a banner head by the web edition of the NYT. US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, described his murder as a “great loss.” The US ambassador in Pakistan, Cameron Munter, echoing his boss, lauded Taseer as “a champion of tolerance.” Now, the NYT has published an op-ed by the slain governor’s daughter. In another ill-advised move, Pope John Paul II called on Pakistan to repeal its anti-blasphemy law. It would appear that the slain governor was in the good graces of the Empire.

The times are not ‘normal’ when the murder of an appointed and figurehead provincial governor in Pakistan resonates so loudly in American media and draws attention from the US Secretary of State and the Pope. Pakistan’s plunge into abnormal times began shortly after September 11, 2001, when the country’s military rulers backed by its elites decided to join America’s war against the Taliban.

At first, Pakistan’s military government offered air bases and land and air passage to the US military; this was only the thin end of the wedge. A country that so wantonly surrenders such vital portions of its sovereignty would scarcely hesitate to barter the rest of it – at the right price. And so more deals were made, inflicting horrible wounds on the people of Pakistan that cry out for justice.

Pakistan’s elites have never been too greedy when dealing with the Empire. At the rate of a billion US dollars a year, they were quickly cajoled into fighting the Afghan resistance operating out of Pakistan; they opened Pakistan and its institutions to infiltration by the CIA and American mercenaries; and many venal vendors of opinion were mobilized to demonize the Afghan resistance and their sympathizers inside Pakistan.

Under US prodding, Pakistan’s rulers have divided the country’s population into ‘moderates’ and ‘extremists,’ – America’s ‘good’ and ‘bad’ guys – depending on whether they supported or opposed the US occupation of Afghanistan. As the Afghan and Pakistani resistance – inside Pakistan – have come under savage attacks from the US and Pakistan military, they too have responded with fury targeting the country’s security infrastructure but also – unfortunately – many civilians.

Sadly, Pakistan’s decision to join America’s war was predictable. Soon after its creation, the Pakistani state fell into the lap of lumpen elites – landlords, military officers and bureaucrats – picked by the British and trained for several generations in traditions of subservience to their white masters. Instead of building on indigenous strength, these denatured elites bought their survival by cultivating economic, military and cultural dependence on the United States. Like many former European colonies, Pakistan is not yet free. Only the forms of foreign control, always working through domestic tyrannies, have changed: and the foreign hand that wields the whip now is in American rather than British hands.

The struggle of Pakistanis for their country has just barely begun. It is part of a larger Islamicate struggle nearly all of whose constituent parts face the same problem: they labor under elites who have tied their systems of knavery to foreign exploiters and to one great power in particular.

For most of its more than sixty years, Pakistan has been ruled by predatory elites who, in order to ingratiate their masters, have tried to mimic their manners, to hate what they hate, and to pretend to love what they love. So permeated are these elites with self-inflicted degradation, their multitudinous factions wrangle among themselves to undersell their country, and to place a lower value on the lives and honor of their own people.

Wikileaks now offers a peak into how Pakistan’s rulers pander to their masters. In August 2008, commenting on the subject of US drone attacks against Pakistanis, the current prime minister assured his American interlocutors, “I don’t care if they [the Americans] do it as long as they get the right people [the resistance]. We’ll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it.” The military dictator who preceded him had boasted in his autobiography that his government had garnered US dollars 50 million by capturing and selling Pakistanis to secret US agencies.

Pakistan’s suborned English media pretend that the murder of the Punjab governor is an isolated act. Their myopia blinds them to the war into which Pakistan’s elites have dragged the country, as they batten their foreign bank accounts, their jets warming their engines to fly them off to foreign destinations should Pakistan become too hot for them to carry on their game of deceit and treachery.

Still, the murder of the Punjab governor was unnecessary. God protects the honor of His blessed Prophet. If Pakistanis build their virtues, knowledge, and institutions, if they – at first, individually and in small groups – honor the Qur’an and the blessed Prophet in their own lives, they will in time peel off their corrupt and suborned elites like scabs from an old wound. Wounds are inflicted when the body is weak; wounds fester as long as the body remains weak. Struggle to make the Ummatic body strong.

Muslims might do well to recall God’s promise. ‘There is an appointed term,’ the Qur’an avows, ‘for every people: they cannot hasten it, nor, when their time comes, can they delay it for a single moment (Al-A’raf, 34).’ Remember this promise: be patient. Do not act out of panic: do not violate Qur’anic norms in seeking to hasten the movement of history. The men and women who tyrannize over you are neither giants, nor are they immortal. What prevails is God’s will. A Muslim’s duty is to align his will and purpose to God’s: he does not, perversely, seek to bend his Creator to his paltry ends.

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M. Shahid Alam is professor of economics at Northeastern University, Boston. He is author of Israeli Exceptionalism: The Destabilizing Logic of Zionism (Palgrave, 2009) and Challenging Orientalism (IPI, 2007). Visit his website at http://qreason.com. Write to him at alqalam02760@yahoo.com.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    hri Vinod Sharma,

    Till I came to the bottom of the article, I imagined the writer of this “piece” to be a mullah doubling as a journalist. His fundamentalist mentality oozes out from every word, every line of this “piece”. In fact, this is not a piece, it is a whole-a whole lot of Islamic extremist fundamentalism couched in border line civility, to go well with his profesorial status. If professors living and working in advanced countries write in this vein, I can well imagine what the madrasa tutored millions back in Pakistan think and do.

    For a Pakistani, whose daily meals come out of the regular doles fhanded down by the US, this bloke of a writer has the real fundamentalist cheek to attack and revile the US, the Pope and all the other benefactors.

    This article stinks, stinks badly of rotting human flesh. You would, Vinodji, do well to keep your nose 3000 kms away from it.

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    payal Reply:

    shenoy wake up..

    many have called this guy a mullah…he loves only muslims and pakistanis and bullies hindus
    who ask for equality…all his positions get applausse from his muslim brothers..

    this is waht goes for secularism in india…deceive pepole by words …

    shrma is old hat at this..

    he actually called himself a dispasionate observer and then immediately interrupted bjp prasad from speaking in atv show..

    he thinks if he writes fraudlent words and lie thru his teeth …by calling himself secular..people will belive him…no wonder both sharma bukhari and shiela call themselves the secular vote

    their philosophy being treat hindus as secondclass…

    which is the same as the philosophy of islamic countries..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @payal
    Aur aap kya hai? Shradh khane wali panditayen?

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    nirav Reply:

    Vinod,

    You respect only one woman it seems sonia gandhi….
    Your comments on payal are deplorable and speaks of your makeup….

    you we never a good indian now you have crossed the boundary of being a civilised man with abusing women…

    All steps towards joining the Congress…well done cadre of INC…

    Rajeev Reply:

    I thought Brahmin like eating Shradh..Vinod Sharma may eat at the Shradh of Congress leaders next election.

    AJ Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma
    “Anti-Hero” ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Mr sharma u shud be ready for more of this if you pledge to stand by people who are looting this country…..ha ha ha ….i just cant stop laughing……

    By the way mr sharma…did u hear about Ahmed patels link with hassan ali….
    Believe me this is going to be BIG…

    See u later Mr Anti-Hero…..

    krishna Reply:

    Mr. Sharma you should retire now first there are no more Panditayans eating shrad,for you who have been propagating Jawahar Lal Nehru and his dynasty all your life is the shrad eater not the daughter of India Payal,please stop all this nonsense of being mouth piece of congress party and remember the congress is no longer a brahmin party as it was under Nehru and Indira,it is being rule by an Italian origin lady and her brood who are Indo,Parsi Italians.You a so called learned one have still no knowledge of what is the meaning of a Pandit ,pandit is not a person of born caste it is a sambodhan for a person of knowledge which it seems you lack even at this stage of your life.

  • Gautam Gulati

    As usual blame everything on west and India. Thankfully in this article he has not blamed India.

    ” If Pakistanis build their virtues ” Pakistanis and virtues ? two contradictory words.

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  • vijay kumar

    MY interpretation of the article :

    1) Jinnah’s dreamland really has no space for anyone who is not a Muslim. Nobody ever talks about the fact that the very existence of blasphemy laws is against the basic tenets of human rights. It is a means to coerce each and every Pakistani to become a Muslim.

    Some Pakistanis may disagree. These laws are only meant to prevent the abuse of the prophet or Islam, they may cry out.

    Then I would sing to them, “O brother Pakistanis, why don’t you also have blasphemy laws against abuse of Christ, Krishna, Buddha and Nanak… 

    Of course this will elicit no answer but a morally humbug one like, “ A good Muslim will not abuse any other religion… “

    2) Combine blasphemy with apostasy and you will know what a deadly combination of deceit Pakistan is. In apostasy that is leaving Islam for any other religion, the convert is punished by death. So the entire thrust of the Pakistani state is to make sure that nobody escapes from Islam..
    :D :D :D

    3) Pakistan ka matlab kya ends being a pseudo name for converting to the version of Islam, the guys with the biggest guns in Pakistan profess.

    Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Ahemaduyas, Shias, Qadianis, Sufis, Sikhs… all are to be coerced into following the dictats of this deceitful state/

    So I read with amusement this entire article, since it professed the secret central agenda of the deceitful Pakistan state, and blamed everything on liberals who wanted to improve things…

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  • Anmol

    The irony in the article is that author is talking about liberals and himself is not able to distinguish between the State and a religion.

    According to him the mentioned religion is identity of State .. and State’s important duty is to protect the tenets of this religion …

    I guess this thinking process is the root of all problems. Pakistan needs to understand that State and religion are 2 separate entities. State prime objective shud be the welfare of its people and NOT whether a religion is taken care of .. All religions shud be at a similar level for state ..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I am shocked to know that US has been hosting Talibanis in the guise of Professors.
    The kind of $hit this guy has posted is difficult to believe. I agree with Vijay if Pakistanis love their anti-blasphemy law so much why not extend it to all the religions. I am pretty sure pakistan will be able to solve its population problem with this measure.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Right on the money, the writer has written what 170 million people and who cares what you people think.

    @B.V.SHENOY
    “For a Pakistani, whose daily meals come out of the regular doles fhanded down by the US, this bloke of a writer has the real fundamentalist cheek to attack and revile the US, the Pope and all the other benefactors” Next time you mad mouth Islam, think of all those your kind who beg to go to a muslim country to work. No one is handing down any free meals to Pakistanis. The day we stop the traffic to Afghnistan (the day not too far) these white boys will rotting.

    A Pakistani has done a great job, when you indians start fuming from the mouth.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Now we know why USA bombs your sorry a$$?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    “when you indians start fuming from the mouth….” Where from Azhar Hussain Saab, do Pakistanis fume?

    We have beaten you in every field where we are in competition, the latest being corruption (among the ministers). If you have a Mr.10% (Zardari) we have a Mr.15% (Kamalnath). Raja is way above any of your most corrupt Pakistanis.

    Next to Islam, Bollywood is the biggest opium for the Pakistanis, both masses and classes.

    By the way, I was only referring to the “alms” you people receive every Friday from America only with which “aap logon ke choole jalte hain”.

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  • nirav

    Well what is the objective of this article and discussion at a time when our own country India has tons of problems?
    Is there an attempt to deviate our mind from corruption rackets and rampant,brazen and obnoxious behavior of our own government?if i quote Mr Shenoy-Rs 65 onions/beer/petrol..
    Reminds me of
    “Andher Nagri, Chaupat Raja, Takke Ser Bhaaji, Takke Ser Khaja”:(
    And on this article,,,
    Why cant we leave pakistan to sort themselves?They dont want us and we dont need them.
    Especially when our country depicts the worst form of pseudo secularism where the PM(Sikh),Ruler of ruling party(sonia-christian) and the last President(Kalam) were all from minority and still Mr manmohan has the audacity to say Muslims have first right to resources in this country.Why not poor from hindu/other tribals?because hindus dont pay taxes?He then announces a committee to inquire and rehabilitate muslims wrongly accuse in crimes why not other indians who are as also languishing in jails due to primitive and corrupt laws and policing.Dont they have human rights?MF hussain can insult hindu goddess by painting them naked and still get a red carpet from the congress government and psuedos, while taslima is banned,the book red saree is banned…
    Secularism means equality for all religions not bias towards majority or minority.In pakistan there is bias towards majority(but they never claimed to be secular so atleast they are honest) and in our country votebank politics tilts it towards minorties….
    Why dont we have uniform civil code and same law for all religions if we are secular and equal?We have enough skeletons in our own cupboard.
    Ind and pakistan are two sides of the same coin in terms of religious equality..may be one side is little shinner ..So what?Pak is an individual country and has enough right thinking people to sort their own problems.We are not their Guardians…
    We have to do our own detoxification of india first and then spread the good..
    Jinke Ghar sheeshe ke ho woh doosro pe pathar nahi feka karte:)

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  • Shah Alam Khan

    Dear Vinod ji,
    Thanks for sharing this. The essence of Prof Alam’s thesis is hidden in the last line of the second last para (Struggle to make the Ummatic body strong). The emphasis on an Ummatic society is note worthy. Prof Alam’s views on the creation of a “Islamicate” society are well know to those who have earlier read his books (particulalrly Israeli Exceptionalism: The Destabilizing Logic of Zionism). As for your comments, “the dispossessed have gravitated towards vendors of dogma, of religious fanaticism”, I beg to disagree. The dispossessed didnot gravitate towards religious fanaticism, they were pushed to fight the ultimate war in the late 70s. The Russian invasion of Afghanistan was the focal point of ushering an era of pan jihadism. I fail to understand why this part of history is easily forgotton by the likes of Prof Alam? How can we forget that the then US President, Ronald Reagan welcomed these mujaheeds (not terrorists) on the lawns of White House. On seeing them Mr Reagan was reminded of the forefathers of the American war of Independence! Ironically the clock has come full circle.
    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    Blog:www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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    Vikram Reply:

    Why blame america and israel when the jihad against the ‘non believer’ has always been a essential aspect of islam. the americans just exploited for their benefit when it suit them.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    @Dr. Khan and @Sharmaji,
    There are two parts to this here – one has to do with Prof. Shahid Alam’s post and other has some broader implications.
    First – Shahid Alam’s post….
    Almost everything in Prof. Shahid Alam’s post – to the point where he says “The struggle of Pakistanis for their country has just barely begun. It is part of a larger Islamicate struggle…” – has all the tone and tenor of anti-establishment political commentator. As much so that it could as well pass on something bordering on the ultra-left political position. Something pretty much inline with rebellious political thought fed up with the elitist compromising stand against foreign powers. Ironically, the authour -despite being a economist himslf, tries to link the class aspect of the situation with “larger Islamicate” – a rather contrived communal common ground.
    The other part pertains to the “jihadi forces” (Al-Qaeda, Taliban et al). One noticeable thing about these is – despite being rabidly communal , religious fundamentalist etc. these forces are at war against “foreign armies” . Moreover, rarely do they betray elitism. My sense is – in the absence of a progressive political opposition to the ruling elites, the jihadis (I am using this as a blanket term) are probably filling the gap in masses perception. Further more , despite all communal and religious fundamentalist posturing – the class aspect of jihad cannot be ignored.
    Moreover, as history has shown time and again – rarely has any political struggle evolved “cleanly”. Who knows – what the Pakistani situation might evolve into ?
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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  • Rajiv

    M Shahid Alam’s column is more idiotic religious mumbo jumbo.

    Here is a sample.

    “Struggle to make the Ummatic body strong.”

    What body is that ?? The corrupt, thugs who rule Saudi Arabia ? Or is it the Taleban?

    In Pakistan, it looks like on one hand you have the ‘haves’ who are like infinitely corrupt army/isi , the landlords and feudal rich and on the other hand you have the ‘havenots’, the poor and middle class who are waiting for Allah or the day of judgement or some saudi religious concept.

    The writer does not even attempt suggest a way forward to solve issue facing Pak but takes recourse to some islamic rhetoric.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This Ummah concept is a joke. The way non-arab muslims are treated in Arabic world clearly tells us true nature of this Ummah. Islam in short is Arabic imperialism which is yet to be eradicated.

    The people in Arab world live in huge homes, own many cars and have all kinds of luxury whereas Bhooke Nange muslim of non-arabic world such as India, Pakistan, African nation live in dire poverty. Why are arabs not sharing their wealth with these poor muslims?

    Nautanki Brigade..saale..Ummah ki maa… :)

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  • yash

    Still there is no realisation in Pakistan about the real threat.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    I am back… after a lazy Sunday, playing a cricket batch. The end result being a sore back. Ohh… the perils of bowling after two years! :)

    Coming back to the main issue of the blog. My emphatic view is that

    “RELIGION HAS TO REFORM !” :)

    For Hindus the process started by Raja Ram Mohan ROy is still on and to banish caste and superstition and bring about equality of genders will probably take another decade.

    For Christianity, the battle between the Church and science was fought over two centuries. And the radical right still does make and appearence, once a while, trying to convert the rest of humanity.

    Unfortunately for the Muslims, despite so many fine minds the battle was never really fought!! Saudi money from the seventies ensured that the religious system which promoted fuedal ideas was wedded with the educational system.

    With little rights for women, none for people of other religions and a criminal justice system based on the Sharia, there can only be violence as we see in so many of the Muslim majority countries.

    Somebody has to tell the Muslims that no religious text can be final !! Therein probably lies all solutions to this quagmire! If you keep reading the Koran and keep intrepreting each Sura, then there is little hope of things changing and new liberal ideas being used.

    Even this professor, whose article Vinodji has posted, keeps talking about the state protecting the religion. The next logical corrolory of this would be that the state also has to promote the religion it is based on. :)

    Arre baba, this is a multi religious world. And everyone has a right to leave religion if he or she wants to. Texts CANNOT be final ! if they were, then one can get a thousand scientific facts to prove they were wrong….

    Like the world and planets existing before Adam and Eve; Or the rules of Manu which were stupid; Or polygamy, Sharia, apostasy and blasphemy which are downright inhuman.

    I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. But the fact is, that this dogma of insisting that my religious text is final and I will kill you if you question it, is the most dangerous idea that idiots have invented.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vijay Kumar,

    Please excuse me for digressing from the main subject, because of an FINANCIAL EMERGENCY.

    As the supreme court has shown undue and indecent interest in the Swiss Bank accounts of Indians, it is expected that there is a hurry, almost a scramble to shift the loot to other destinations like the Bahamas, Middle East, Singapore etc and then bring the money to India in a right royal manner. Due to all these emergent factors, the rupee has undergone seismic changes in its value and hence the measuring rods too have changed. Therefore, through the underground channels, which are quite reliable otherwise, I have come to know of the latest yardstick to measure the wealth in rupee terms as follows:

    ALL FIGURES ARE IN RUPEES.

    100 CRORES=1YEDDY
    100YEDDYS =1REDDY
    100REDDYS=1RADIA
    100RADIAS=1KALMADI
    100KALMADIS=1PAWAR
    100PAWARS=1RAJA
    100RAJAS=1SONIA.

    PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE CHANGES ARE WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT AND ANY CHANGES IN THE ABOVE EQUATIONS WILL FIRST BE CONVEYED TO THE UNDERWORLD AND THEN A SELECT FEW WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONFIDENCE.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Shenoy Sahib,
    You forgot Mr.Q a very close friend of Sonia Mata and also her corrupt husband Rajiv Gandhi.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    You are right.

    Q is a fixer and so is Radiia.

    Therefore, 25Radias=1Q

    This is a fair assumption. What do you think?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Agree with you but this currency will be very volatile as congress produces SCAMS at the speed of light..so we will need your wisdom in managing this new currency :)

    krishna Reply:

    You forgot to give yeddy to paid journalists who start such useless topics to hide corruption in dynastic Rulers.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Shenoy

    Marvellous! You scared me and I almost scurried to the TV channels, to catch the news and see if this was for real ! :)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    The latest news bulletin from 10 Janpath, is that ahead of the republic day, Sonia Gandhi, has, in a royal proclamation, changed H.R.Bharadwj’s designation to Governor General, keeping in view his sterling performance in the last few days as also his earlier “services” to the family, to which word Italians give utmost importance. It is also learnt that though Sonia Gandhi wanted to “honour” Bharadwaj with a Barat Ratna or some other international award, she has deferred the matter to a future date, keeping in view the bad times her party and government are going through.

    In a related development and ahead of the Sonia proclamation, chief minister Yeddyurappa has, in an official communique, issued from his bunker somewhere in the battlefield, changed the governor general’s name to KAMSARAJ BHARADWAJ. Both the changes-one in nomenclature and the other in name-are to take immediate effect.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab , yeh kissa hai ” Naam to Hans Ka , Par kaam Kauuva ka”

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    A recent OUTLOOK poll has estimated that 32% Indians think that COngress is corrupt, while 8% think that BJP is corrupt. Bhardwaj acting like a Governer General has only ended up helping Yeddy !

    s chadha Reply:

    the minorty population of pakistan has dropped to less than 2 pcnt now as against 8/9 pcnt at time of partition ——-there are reports some days back that more than 100 hindu families want asylum in india as they are being subjected to religious harassment . in the nw pak some sikh business men were kidnapped —there was talk of taking jazia or religious tax from them
    our families personal expereince ( my father and mother had migrated from lahore and peshawar )—one of my fathers brother remained back in pakistan to look after the property as he envisaged a peaceful life for the minorities as with the creation of a muslim majotity state the muslim insecurities which they harbored in independant india will disappear —–after 3 years of parttition he had to convert and became ghulam rasool as he found life intolerable for him
    This was before 9/11 –before the supposed western push in pakistan ? so how far the prmise that religiosity is due to western push is debatable
    the blame is on the muslim psyche itself– they beleive-when in majority be rough shod on the members of other faith , do not encourage diversity —-when in minority keep up the pressure on the secular civil society by stressing their religious rights , their separatness , , in their aloofness to be a part of the country –, and so keep the system under strain
    WE see it in the world today —be it west or china or india this constant pressure on the body and social politic by these followers of obdurate mullahs
    The author is probably right that economic disparity , division accentuates this division —these are exploited by the obdurate mullahs to suit their own ends but the basic is the closed , irrarational society which this obduracy has spawned —it is inherent in their system
    You can perhaps see this in the pakistan writers antecedents itself—a professor of humanities in a liberal country sounds like a madrass mullah

    Rajiv Reply:

    @S Chadha
    Even by conservative estimates, minority population in West Pakistan ( Hindus, sikhs ) in 1947, before the horrendous events was 20% of the population.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Don’t tell that to Vinod Sharma..He will go all ballistic on Yeddy..after all BJP’s scams are more important for congressi propagandist Sharma.

  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    This writer of the article does not has any space for a person who is not a Muslim ! Not even for Muslims who may have more liberal values or want to follow Sufi Islam. In the end somewhere it does advocate blasphemy laws, though ot openly.

    Unless the minds of Pakistanis is opened– that this is a multi religious world and even their own country had many religions– one cannot see any hope flowing from that country….

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Can’t disagree with you entirely.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Vinodji, an editorial in today’s HT makes fun of the Bhardawaj decision to prosecute Yeddy. Do we surmise that it escaped your attention as it slipped into the paper :)

    To quote :

    “Mr Bhardwaj is the latest in a line of governors who have been proactive in political decisions, the most notable being Buta Singh’s dubious decision to dissolve the Bihar assembly in 2005.

    The Supreme Court had to step in to declare the governor’s action unconstitutional and illegal, forcing him to resign. Similarly, when AR Antulay was facing corruption charges, the then governor did not sanction his prosecution. The public outcry forced Mr Antulay out of office. Several other CMs have also been at the receiving end of the governor’s wrath in corruption cases. “

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Ever since the BJP government has been formed in Karnataka, the congress party, particularly Sonia Gandhi has never been able to sleep well. Kamsraj Bharadwaj has been specially hand picked by Madam to destabilise and if possible destroy the government in the state. And, true to form, he has beeen working with the single minded devotion of a lap dog.

    Unfortunately, as in the Buta Singh case, here too the congress party has made a grievous mistake. Yeddyurappa, despite all the cases foisted on him, will be the one who will have the last laugh. Fali S. Nariman too has said that the governor has erred in giving consent to the proxy-congress-JDS lawyers to file cases of corruption.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    There is no standardisation of thought in HT. But I am not surprised that you are surprised. You are used to singing in unison as pointed by me so often. Gatte raho jugalgeet pyare. :) )

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    The above message should have been addressed to you. But Shenoy Saab is your soulmate. alter ego, fellow member of the orchestra and what not …..Khush raho and milkar bhajan gate raho. :) )

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    Talking about nepotism, let me floor you with a question, the answer to which I eagerly await.

    Yedurappa’s nepotism is giving a few acres of valuable land to his sons, but what about INdira Gandhi’s nepotism? First she gave factory land and loans to her son and then tried to hand him the entire country.

    When Sanjay died, she immediately handed everything to Rajiv– party position, heir in waiting, government decisions. In fact when Menaka also claimed true ownership of the Sanjay Gandhi legacy, she was hinted to be a plant– a CIA or Mossad agent.

    Khushwant Singh, your former editor in HT had to lose his job as he backed the wrong horse !! :)

    Sir, can you give me a bigger instance of nepotism in the history of India ? :)

    And where does Yedurappa’s nepotism compare with this????????? :D

    I eagerly await an answer, if you have any !

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    The BJP says Indira Gandhi was responsible for the Emergency excesses— not Sanjay Gandhi whom people like us fought during that period by distributing pamphlets and word of mouth campaigns. Pl address your question to that party which now has in its midst the very DNA you pretend to dispise—- Varun Feroze Gandhi, the man who wants to hack the limbs of Muslims.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    You mean to say Sanjay Gandhi did not enjoy the support of her mother…It again proves that you are congressi propagandist…

    Mritunjay Sharma Reply:

    Vinod Sharma ji,

    Aap to Genes aur DNA ki baat karne lage….Rajiv Gandhi was as responsible if not more for 1984 Riots as was Modi for 2002…so whats your opinion on the DNA of Rajiv Gandhi?

    krishna Reply:

    Sir it was Indira who imposed emergency as her political life was in jeopardy due Allahabad HC verdict,so do not blame only Sanjay,the leaderof that times Indira has to be responsible as present time for all scams Sonia has to take responsibility not MMS who is just proxy to her.Also remember Sir at present we are not living in dark ages maintained by Nehru and Indira to fool public it is time of Information Technology courtsey your much hated BJP,also by stating BJP communal you are insulting the rights of crores of BJP voters who should have more say in happenings in the country not a scribe alone

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay

    I have also the same feelings as of yours after going through this editorial in the morning. I believe the collective views of fellow bloggers had indeed the desired effect on the editorial staff of HT. After all, the editors can not have their views as per government’s perception in vacuum. They can feel the pulse of the upper middle class which is often represented here. The editors do respond to public perception. It is a truth whether Mr. Vinod Sharma accepts it or not.
    BNA

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr.Anand,

    Don’t be fooled by one editorial in Hindustan Times criticising Kamsraj Bharadwaj. He is eminently expendable for everybody, including Sonia Gandhi, who had earlier disposed off Buta Singh under similar circumstances.

    I have a feeling, though, the editorial must have been slipped into the edit box while Vinodji was busy fending off phone calls from one well known public relations lady (?).

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Writing to somebody with bitchy, loaded comments about an third person comes naturally to the Sanghi samaj. I am not offended. Try again.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,
    what is there in my comment to be offended? If you read my comment again, you will see that I have in fact praised you for resisting the attempts by a certain PR lady who has ensnared many a big editor. There is also nothing bitchy nor loaded in my comment.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I you say it, then I trust u. Remarks withdrawn.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Shenoy Saheb

    No sir, I can not be taken in by the once in a while off the line editorial in HT, though I read this paper regularly. It may be a grand marketing strategy by the management to go along once in a while with the pulse of the people and to reflect something which is troubling the people.
    But I am a little disappointed at the annoyance your comments caused to Mr. Vinod Sharma. I could understand the lighter side of your reference to that PR lady and in a way, being complimentary in a subtle way to Mr. Sharma. But I am sorry for him to have missed the fun.
    BNA

  • Praveen Saxena

    Pranab Mukherjea India ’s Finanace Minister addressing the Press Conference on Black Money
    ” Let us understand the issue. No information can be made available unless there is a legal framework. No sovereign country is going to share information unless there is a legal framework.”

    Assuming this to be true , whose job is it to make the legal framework? the strategy remains the same as in the case of Bofors , .undermine and sabotage from within. Let us see how this position changes as the story develops moreso when the SC id seized of the matter.

    Now a word about Pranab Mukherjea. Although Pranab Mukhejea is getting a favourable Press these days , in the company of a clueless PM This gentleman was the Finance Minister of the country when Indira Gandhi was PM and Dhirubhai Ambani used to to run the Finance Ministry and other Economic Ministries. Policy was to get his prior clearance. Bureaucrats wanting key positions in the Revenue Department and and important ministries would que up outside the Ambani office. In sum total nothing much can be hoped from this govt on the Black Money issue.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,

    A few unpalatable points on the subject matter of this blog:

    1. Salman Taasir’s assassination is no big deal for 99.999% Indians.
    2. The author of the article you chose to quote here is a Islamic fanatic, a perverted fundamentalist, who has attacked all the elites, moderates, Amricans, the British, the pope and almost everybody else who is not agreeing with the idea of an Islamic Nizam-e-mustafa called Pakistan.
    3. You have wasted your and our time and energy exploring the Pakistani mind. They have no mind and have long ago lost their soul.
    4. Pakistan is going steeply down the road of self destruction and people like Salman Aalam are in the driver’s seat in this journey of Pakistan’s doom.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I will let this very petulant emotional outburst pass……have a glass of water dear Shenoy

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    I have based my comments on two readings of the article by Salman Aalam. Also, my comments are well considered, dispassionate and measured. I have said, at the outset that they may be unpalatable to you. My surmise was correct.

    Judging by the small number of responses to this blog as compared to your other blogs, too, my opinion that Indians are unconcerned about what happens inside Pakistan holds true.

    As for Salman Aalam’s religious depravity, you have only mildly said (1.I do not agree entirely with the writer’s prognosis..2.Is it that they consider elements seen by rest of the world as terrorists the true defenders of Pakistani nationalism driven by its Islamic character? ) what I have said in stronger terms.

    But, still, if you see my comments as petulant or as an emotional outburst, please have them as such.

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  • Vinay

    Shahid Alam says, “Pakistan’s Christians are not the only unfortunate victims (of the blasphemy law). Nevertheless…”
    What he does not say is, although religious minorities form only 3% of the population, half the victims of blasphemy law are minorities.

    He says, “every previous death sentence under this law has been reversed by the higher courts of the country”. But he does not bring out, those who were murdered before the completion of the trial. ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10696762 )

    His concern is “Pakistanis worried that this was only the start of a campaign to … smearing of the
    blessed Prophet”
    I don’t have much knowledge of Islam. I read in wikipedia which says “The Quran and the hadith do not speak about blasphemy. Jurists created the offence, and they made it part of Sharia.”

    We don’t know what is true. Everyone (liberal or fundamentalist) quotes Quran/Prophet.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Examples of Hindu violence towards Christians:
    Hindu nationalist groups promote the concept of Hindutva — a pure Hindu nation — where Hindus have a position of dominance over Christians, Muslims, and believers of other religions, and in which the caste system is restored and rigidly preserved. Their natural enemies are various Christian and Muslim groups who promote the concept of a classless society without a caste system.

    The Washington Times reports that charitable groups in the U.S. collect funds from Indians living in that country and funnel the money to Hindutva groups in India. Priya Abraham of the Institute on Religion and Public Policy discusses the findings of California-based anthropologist Angana Chatterji who has been monitoring the transfer of funding for years. Abraham writes:

    “According to Ms. Chatterji, there are four major Hindutva-affiliated groups in the United States that have funded numerous organizations across India. The U.S. groups register as charities with tax-exempt status and carry stated goals of providing development and welfare work for needy Indians. In reality, Ms. Chatterji says, the charities offer facades for vast political activities that include the education, conversion and indoctrination of Hindutva ideology in traditionally poor and often illiterate tribal and low-caste Indians.” 6

    Some Hindus have accused Christian missionaries of offering money and goods to Tallit (a.k.a. untouchables) and other lower caste Indians as an inducement to convert to Christianity. Although the caste system has been officially outlawed for many years, it is still followed by many Hindus — particularly in rural areas. There are accusations that some low caste Indians have converted to Buddhism or Christianity in order to escape from the caste system. This is viewed as a destabilizing force by many Hindus.

    Christians experienced increased oppression after the nationalistic Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power federally in 1998. Violence continues, even after the BJP was replaced by the Congress Party in 2004.

    Some examples of inter-faith violence:

    1999: Graham Staines, an Australian Christian missionary had worked for 30 years with leprosy patients in Orissa state for three decades. In 1999, he and his two young sons — Philip, 10, and Timothy, 6, were trapped inside a car by Hindu fundamentalist militants who set fire to his vehicle. All three were burned to death. In 2003, 13 men were convicted of mass murder. Dara Singh was sentenced to hang; his 12 accomplices, were sentenced to life in prison. 1

    2000: During the first half of the year, there were 35 violent incidents in which Christians were victimized. These include bombings, church arson, beating deaths, and assaults. Roman Catholic Archbishop de Lastic stated: “There is a definite strategy and plan at the national level — these forces at work want to intimidate Christians.”

    Some Protestant and Catholic leaders blamed the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). This is a Hindu spiritual group, from which the BJP political party grew. The All India Christian Council wrote that Christians are “sick of the statements and are not fooled by the utterances of the central government.” 2Herod Malik, spokesperson for the United Forum for Catholics and Protestants said: “We are scared. We have to go to international organizations because we have no faith in the Indian government.” 3

    Federal government leaders denied that the RSS is responsible. They accused Pakistani security forces. 1

    2007: During the Christmas holiday period, about 10 people were murdered, 90 churches were burned and 600 homes were destroyed in Orissa state. 4

    2008: Clashes continued in Orissa state. According to a commentary in the Washington Times, on AUG-23, a hard-line Hindu swami was murdered. Extremist Hindus went on a rampage agaisnt Orissa’s minority Christians, burning homes, destroying churhes, battering people and raping women,including an nun. The Baptist World Alliance claimed in August that the death toll had reached at least 25. They reported that more than 600 churches had been demolished and that 4,000 Christians had been forced to flee from their villages.

    The Associated Baptist Press reported in 2008-AUG-27:
    “A nun died and a pastor was hurt when fire swept an orphanage in the Bargarh District. Apparently none of the 21 children housed there died.”

    “In an Aug. 26 e-mail to the BWA, Swarupananda Patra, General Secretary of the All Orissa Baptist Churches Federation, said, ‘All Christian villages [are] empty in Kandhamal as Christians, old and young, sick and pregnant mothers [are] hiding in forests exposed to the non-stop monsoon rains without food. Kandhamal is the hardest hit, with at least eight Christians killed and almost all Christian homes demolished,’ he reported. ‘I appeal to the governing authorities in India to intervene to save the lives of the many who are being victimized in the current crisis,’ BWA General Secretary Neville Callam said in a press release. ‘Respect for the principle of religious liberty and the sacredness of human life requires nothing less’.” 5

    Eventually, during four months of violence, about 70 people died and 50,000 were displaced into refugee camps. 6

    2010: Religion News Blog reported that over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks have ocurred in Karnataka state in southwest India — “… once a symbol of India’s economic progress and of freedom [Karnataka] has now become a hub of right-wing Hindu extremism, according to the Evangelical Fellowship of India. Christian investigators say Christian persecution increased after the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) became Karnataka’s main ruling party in 2008.

    References used:
    The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.

    “Hindu given death for killing missionary,” The New York Times, 2003-SEP-23, at: http://query.nytimes.com/
    Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-13
    Religion Today news summary, 2000-JUN-14
    Robert Marus, “BWA officials condemn violence against Christians in Indian state,” Associated Baptist Press, 2008-JAN-04, at: http://www.abpnews.com/
    “Reports: Several dead in India after Hindu-Christian clashes,” Associated Baptist Press, 2008-AUG-27, at: http://www.abpnews.com/
    Priya Abraham, “Uncharitable Giving,” The Washington Times, 2009-FEB-08.
    “Over 1,000 anti-Christian attacks in Indian State, report,” Religion News Blog, 2010-MAR-24

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    Rajeev Reply:

    An Afghani converted to Xtianity and he was declared Wajib-ul-Qatl by muslims. He was finally rescued after US stepped in.
    Same thing happened in Kashmir.
    Then in Kerela, a xtian professor hand was chopped off for telling truth about maniac prophet.

    List is endless..

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    Rajiv Reply:

    It really shows how bankrupt and incorrigibly condemned Azhar hussain is when the only response he has is to dig links to real fringe among the Hindus. The ****** fails to understand that whats a FRINGE in other religions is the MAINSTREAM in Islamic socities and nations from Saudi Arabia to the criminal entity of Pakistan.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    RAjiv idiot murder committed by you is the same as commited by me….Now do you understand what I am trying to say.

    You people are in the habit of pointing fingers but forget to look in mirror

    Your FRINGE has been killing minorities but you can’t see that. Ok Pakistan and Afghnistan are bad for minorities, but there are more than fifty other Muslim countries where your brothers and sisters are dying to go and work. They are going there and working and prospering, right Rajiv? The day your beggers will stop going to Muslim counties for opportunities, is the day you can say all this, till then SHUT The F— Up and sit in the corner and hullucinate.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Vinod

    “I will let this very petulant emotional outburst pass……have a glass of water dear Shenoy”

    you may be a master player in the game of words , but for sure you have only vacuum in your head , no logic.

    @ BV Shenoy

    yes indeed , Mr Sharma is wasting his time in understanding the “Pakistani mind”

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    payal Reply:

    that is what these 50 % cut-off bottom ranked arts majors r…no logic or brains…

    this guy can do nothing to earn his living…just get picked up congresslickers like ht..

    and he has the qualifications..no self respect..and fool and fraud peole who give him alivelihood
    or his readers….by getting bones from congress….

    beggars r better than this guy…..they could do something but congress looters have taken theeir money and put in swisss banks from which they give crumbs to evil pets like sharma…

    he shuld have sang shayaris on the street for a living….but the devil prefers licking congress
    dirt…even dogs have more respect…

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji

    Please excuse me for writing on a topic not connected with the subject matter of the blog.

    I wonder what sort of country we are living in after oil mafia burnt alive a joint collector of Malegaon. In the first instance I was scared to read this news when only it said, ” Malegaon joint collector burnt alive” for the town Malegaon often said to be connected with “Saffron terror”. But heaved a sigh of relief when it was disclosed that oil mafia did this horrible act when the collector was on an official duty. Is that not enough for the congress govt. in Maharashtra to hang its head in shame? And please do not quote “Dara Singh’s act” to get away from this tight spot.
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BN Anand
    I too felt deeply disturbed and shamed by the incident. Wondered where we are headed as a country. The slight disagreement I have here with you is that instead of looking it through political prism, let there be a bipartisan assault on such merchants of terror and death. The Congress-NCP initiative in that will have to be bigger and more honest. But the Left, the BJP, Shiv Sena and the Ambedkarites will have to passionately join the campaign.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    When the culprits are some dukandaars of secularism like the Cong/ NCP ,, the issue becomes bipartisan and non political . If it otherwise just hang the damned “comoonal phorces “.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Sharma Saheb

    Sir

    Thanks for showing understanding. I quite agree that there must be a bipartisan approach to this menace rather than convert it into another topic for a sort of street fight on tv channels.
    But I feel bad to once again raise the earlier asked question as to why this govt. is committing one blunder after another. Now the latest affidavit by the govt. regarding CVC’s appointment. The govt. says it was not aware of the criminal cases pending against Mr. Thomnas. Sushma Swaraj says she talked of this criminal case while his appointment was being considered and got her dissent recorded. Now she has decided to file an affidavit in the apex court exposing the lies of the govt.’s stand.

    I feel sad as this directly pertains to our gentleman PM. He along with HM approved his appointment. What was so demanding on them to have only gone for this appointment while overlooking the point of Sushma Swaraj. Dont you think that it time for the govt. to take opposition party more seriously and do not view it from the prismof ridicule.

    BNA

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  • Rajiv

    The problem with Ummah !!
    ——————————————

    Many of the problems in the Islamic world arise from the concept of Ummah. What and who is Ummah ? Who is the leader of the Ummah and how are they elected ?
    Is Mullah Omar the leader Ummah or is it the Saudi King or is it Zardari or is it the Imam of the grand mosque of Cairo ?

    Once Muslims start seeing themselves first and foremost as individuals, instead of members of a cult or club called Ummah, that may lead to more politically rational ideology.

    In Hinduism, the supreme force, does not show any favours to Hindus. People of all faith, ideology and religion from Hinduism to Judaism to Islam are judged on their actions.
    The supreme force is fair, just , non-communal and non-sectarian.

    Some ideologies have reduced their interpretation of the supreme force to a sectarian, communal power that looks more like a intolerant repressive regimes that you find in such societies.

    M Shahid Alam is obsessed and consumed by that same cultist political ideology of Ummah.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This is the true face of 99% sub-continental muslims including Beghairat Indian ones…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09b6Y_FhTw&feature=related

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    @ Mr Pankaj

    So what if the Indian muslims continue to remain pawns in the hand of the Mullahs . So what if they remain cut off from the way other sections Indian society are moving . Like this they are extremely useful for the dukandaars of secularism . And the National Minorities Commission is not one of them.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    Rector of Deoband seminary has resigned. muslims have lost a chance for progress. Are you happy now? Your vote bank of illiterate and intolerant muslims, remain intact.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    These Jahil muslims can not tolerate any dissenting voice but when it comes to arabs these slave muslims choose to crawl when asked to bend.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Its all because of the regressive concept of Ummah !!!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    U were celebrating the rector’s praise of Shri Narendra Modi. Now go ask him why he has changed colours? Why are u dragging me into it?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    you had made this remark of the Maulana changing his colours earlier too. I think you were wrong then and you are wrong now too. He has not changed his colour, not even a single word. Instead he has preferred to walk out of the Deoband institution. He says there is a big cultural difference between the Muslims of UP and those of Gujarat.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vinod,
    Thanks for your reply.
    Your use of (Shri) Narendra Modi, reminded me of Lucknow tehzeeb, where, while abusing some one, telling, Aapki in place of Teri.
    I never celebrated Modi for his inaction in saving lives of(both communities). I am not praising him for anything. It is numbers, High achiever individuals and independent analysts, including Vastanvi, who are praising him. I do not understand, that what kindles your visceral hatred for him. He is still our best bet for PM. I hope I will not eat my words in future.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @ Pankaj
    Sir
    Good news that Mr. Vastanvi ( hope i wrote his name correctly) has decided not to quit. He still maintains that there has been an overall improvement in the development in Gujarat which is helping both Muslims and Hindus. I believe there is pressure both from the media and some conservatives in Muslim society who will not let anyone speak the truth.
    BNA

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar Hussain

    Dear Ajju bhai,

    Why do u rant and rail???? :)

    Nice that u admited that Pakistan is bad for minorities. Let that be a milestone to change things in your beloved land, rather than justifying all the treachery and killings which happen there.

    Yesterday there was a bomb attack in Russia. The Russians immediately found oput the Pakistani hand. And let me remind you
    ~~~ Pakistan can fool Indians by saying that ISI backed Hafeez Saeed is a non state actor!!
    ~~~~ Pakistan can fool the British and the Americans by saying that, ” assi terrorist nahi haige… saadi ISI kintergarten student haigi….”

    But Russians are a difficult boar and bear to handle. They will just carpet bomb Pakistan, man.

    Why don’t you go back and change things in Jinnah’s nightmare land??:)

    Rather than rant against Indian secularims, economic success and freedom ?? :D :D

    By the way Sal had said most Pakistanis are sons of Jews. Since he has disappeared, I hope nobody killed him for blasphemy…..

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  • Rajiv

    Any religion or political ideology that sees people as a group, instead of individuals, is in danger of becoming a restrictive, regressive cult.

    All religions should view humans as individuals and not as Hindus or Muslims or Christians.
    Once you look upon people as individuals , with individual qualities and rights, then there would be no such thing as Ummah.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    Agree with you in toto. I find so many excellent people in all faiths, personally, that it looks criminal to brand every one as Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc.
    The concept of Ummah is dangerous, herd mentality, and tribal in nature, which does not permit individual to have life of his/her choice and evolve. In the name of religion, culture,ethinicity, they will drag you back to their level.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Vinod Sharma,

    I think Pankaj dragged you in as you had predicted that Vastanvi will be forced to change his statement.

    Isn’t it a bit sad that we are not allowing anybody to air his views, just because we feel that the Muslims may veer towards the BJP? Unfortunately Vastanvi has NOT changed his views. Today’s HT says that :-

    Maulana Gulam Mohammad Vastanvi, who has announced his decision to resign as vice chancellor of Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband, has said that people in the state felt that development is happening there. “The people of Gujarat agree on the fact
    that development is happening in the state and everyone whether a Hindu or a Muslim is there,” he said.

    I too had a bad impression about Modi till I visited Gujarat in 2007. The people out there feel that the Riots were a one off affair, all caused because of some bomb blast earlier and the Godhra train burning. And BOTH communities lost precious lives.

    However this scenario will not suit the thekedars of secularism like Digvijay and Mulayam Singh who hide their nepotism and corruption by appeasing a section of fundamantlist Muslims. Some NGO’s wont like it as they get international grants in the name of the riots.

    Sadly the Congress has gone all out in this. Even to the extent of making an hero out of a known killer, kidnapper and extortionist like Sohrabbudin…

    Sad but tru … 

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Vijay,
    Yes, you are right, I mentioned Vinod for his desire for a changed opinion from Vastanvi, which it seems, was fulfilled.
    Vinod think that I am a rabid communalist and will praise any one, whom I perceive, as muslim basher. He is totally wrong.
    knowing very well, about the great contribution of muslims, (better aspect) not the (depredation, loot and killing, which, in some situation, has been institutionalised, amongst many sections of our great country) I love my muslim film actors/ actresses, writers, Chefs, Poets, Scientists and last but not least, Scientist President,
    What Vinod/ Congress is asking, is to love Sohrabuddin, Daud Ibrahim, Abdul tunda, Hazi Mastan, Taslimuddin , Owaisi, known criminals and rabble rousers. I can not speak against them, I can not criticize them, least I may be branded as communal.
    My elders were in congress, not present congress, actually suffered for freedom, did not accept compensation from GOI, even for lands surrendered after Zamindari abolition. I am not against congress but against looters of national wealth and hypocrites.

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  • Rajiv

    Most Pakistanis know or suspect in their hearts that there fore fathers were Hindus.
    Jinah’s ancestors were Hindus. Iqbal’s ancestors were Hindus. 95% of present Pakistan was Hindu and some Buddhist ( who were Hindus before Buddhist ) before Arab armies and others attacked the Indian subcontinent.
    The entire population of Indian Kashmir was Hindus or different sects of Hindus before Islam came in the Valley. Now Kashmiri pundits are the only Hindus of Kashmiri origin in India.

    Religion is a matter of personal choice and there is nothing wrong to change one’s religion or acknowledge your ancestory. Psychological may arise when you deny your own ancestory and heritage.

    However, most Pakistanis feel that they cannot hate India enough , if they accept their Hindu lieage or that the Muslim Punjabis share ethnicity with Hindu Punjabis, Muslim Sindhis share ancestory with Hindu Sindhis , or Muslim Kashmiris share ancestory with Hindu Kashmiris and Muslim Gujratis share ancestory with Hindu Gujratis.

    So you have Pakistan state ( read ISI-Mullah ****-tail ) , preach to its people that they are sons and daughters of Arabs, Turks, Iraqis, Iranians , anyone but Indians/Hindus !!
    Its a state , that denies its own history, eulogizes the rampaging invaders who plundered their own ancestors and striggles to win the love and affection of the ‘Ummah’ who looks down upon this non-Arab converts.
    What a dilemma.

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  • Ankit

    It was a highly entertaining performance from Mr. Sharma today. Arnab, Ravi Prasad and even Mr. Vittal was laughing at Vinod.

    One can only have pity at Vinod. Congress spokesmen dropped out because they knew they were going to have to defend the indefensible and Vinod was left to clean up after them. LOL!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I have seen this happening in most of the program in which Sharmaji taken. Even Congressmen start to blush at Mr.Sharma’s congress slavery.

    He is not a journo but a full time congressi propagandist so treat him like one.

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    ishwar Reply:

    Mr. Sharma should avoid TIMES NOW’s NewsHour. Arnab Goswami is far too smart and upright a person to take any **** dished out by him. He should learn a thing or too about journalistic ethics from Mr. Goswami as well. The role of a journalist should be to question the govt. of the day on various issues. What Mr. Sharma does is exactly the opposite – and yesterday he went a step further and tried to vill the gap left by Congress spokesman (who deliberatley stayed away for obvious reasons).

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ishwar
    You are using Ravi Shankar Prasad’s comment against me —- filling the Cong spokesman’s gap— as your own. In journalism we call it plagiarism. But in crass language it’s cheating.

    Rajeev Reply:

    ishwar,
    Even Moron rahul baba will say the same thing about sharma.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @To all those who watched the TV yesterday
    Why r u all writhing in pain? Is truth that hurtful? Is one man standing in the way of your favourite party hijacking the judicial process so dangerous that you all have to attack him at the same time? It is nothing but cowardice…….. But how can you help? You are only being the way God has made you and the Sanghis have trained you. Kal shakha par jaakar eik meeting zaroor kar lena is muddey par. :) ) .

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    Sir
    The position you took on 27th at “Headlines-Today” vis-a-vis CVC was quite fair and acceptable. However you showed certain amount of reservations as for as the apex court proceedings were concerned. That was understandable going the way you had opened your comments. But do’nt you think that the CVC issue has become a liability for the govt. The sooner he leaves, the better for the image of the govt. In fact your comments were indeed the answer to my post here yesterday. You may have some inside information. What are the compulsions of the govt. for not asking him to resign? More so, the govt. would not have committed this blunder had they listened to the leader of opposition in the committee meeting. But both the PM and the HM treated her with ridicule.
    When you advocate for a bipartisan approach in tacking serious problems of the country, do’nt you think that the govt. should take the views of opposition party rather more seriously?

    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    The issue isn’t whether Thomas is honest or not. The issue is whether the government should have appointed a chargesheeted person as CVC. My view: No repeat No.
    But I take serious excepiton to Court proceedings being commented upon on TV channels. We should let the Judges come to a considered view.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Sorry I addressed the above post wrongly to Shenoy Sahab. It is addressed to Dr Anand.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dr. Anand/Vinodji,

    The obstinacy with which the Manmohan Singh government is persisting with this tainted CVC cannot be explained except with the surmise that it was Sonia Gandhi’s choice; which was why Sushma Swaraj’s objections and reasoning as well as her suggestion for selecting either of the remaining two eminently suitable candidates were rather brusqueluly brushed aside in a tearing hurry by both the prime minister and the home minister.

    As to the confounding question of why she insisted only on ONE NAME (Thomas and nobody else) too, there is only one possible answer: He is a Christian.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma ji

    Sir
    You partly responded to my very straightforward query( I hope you dont mind the use of word “query”). I repeat, is’nt it the time that the govt. should take the opposition rather more seriously ? It should try for bipartisan consensus on some vital matters like appointments of constitutional posts or other issues facing the country, like the way it got nuclear liability bill passed in the Parliament.
    But sir, you can not complain in isolation that comments of the judges in the apex court are always played in the media. I am sure it is not happening for the first time, except that this time the targets are the PM or the UPA govt vis-a-vis CVC issue. The adverse comments of the apex court against the Gujarat CM were also played up with glee both by the media and congress men. I agree with your view point but this should apply to all the cases . Do’nt you agree , Sharma Saheb?
    BNA

    krishna Reply:

    Sir why you scribes have always been acting like a mother in law who will always blame the Bahu for all ills and wrong doings of her son

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Anti-Hero = Bafoon

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Thanks. Was expecting stronger abuse. Has your vocabulary gone dry?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    The anti-hero role was good, except that he lost the script and resorted to bluster and filibuster.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinodji,
    You provided great entertainment. Even your most ardent fans must have cringed at your performance.
    Seriously you need to grow up.

    I find great similarity between you and Manish Tiwari. You both smile alot while talking about serious issue which implies that you are being dishonest in debate.
    Anyway we can expect anything else from you because you are more loyal to Dyansty than journalism.

    Good luck for future.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Last night I saw a “Nakhoda” on TV. Friends who have seen the old time classic “Mere Huzoor” would recall that Rajkumar was called “Nakhoda” for the many sacrifices he made. That role was cast in the Masochistic mould where the person is inclined to inflict pain on himself. But the Nakhoda I saw on TV was cast in a different mould. He was a self styled “Nakhoda” but that was all to it. He was more of the Big Gun Murugan there, to wound, injure, kill all who came in his way.
    First the gun was pointed at the bespectacled news anchor …You cant have a running commentary on a case before the SC on TV ….Don’t influence the Judges…. we should wait for the outcome of the case….
    Then the Big Gun Murugan turned towards the hapless spokesperson of the Opposition party. After the intial deceptive courtesies got over, the yelling started. The poor Spokesperson styled more in ways of the 70s or the 80s is yet to learn the art of stone pelting.
    Actually it was all about the CVC Thomas story. Someone had to speak for the Congress in that discussion . None from the regular Mob were willing to show. So the “Nakhoda”.
    But could someone tell us who is closing the Front Page of the Hindustan Times these days?

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Everyone

    The primary thesis of this gentleman, Shahid Alam still remains wrong and inadequate.

    It is possible that the fuedal society of Pakistan offers little hope for someone who is not powerful or a landlord, leading to people gravitating towards heroin smugglers and Islamic fundamantalists.

    However….

    The truth still remains that the basic philosphy of Pakistan, based on fake history and the need to convert or kill people who are not Muslims or Muslims of the type Hafeez Saeed is, is really to be blamed. Even the fuedal “predatory elite would be better than the brainwashed morons who are out to blow themselves up, thinking they are taking a one way ticket to jannat ! :)

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  • jaya

    ps

    and nakhoda was gleefully joing in 24-7 for years when false allegations r made against modi,yeddy,bjp gadkari by congie media agents..

    see how this nakhoda acted on tv defnding private compalint against yeddy…

    but private complaints against govt by swami and he calls it subjudice and all shuld be quiet…

    this nakhoda enjoyed court comments by congress judge against modi calling him nero..judge khare got apadmasri for that…

    and today this nakhoda does not even mention the clean chit..he still maligns modi..

    just like he blames rss for gandhi murder…

    even if court absolved it…

    and the evil is truth is against this nakhoda when he makes allegations against bjp,modi

    but evidnce is against congress and then he wants the truth to be hidden..

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Vinodji,
    Here is a small poem on the state of the nation:

    THE STATE OF THE NATION

    The aam aadmi is facing privation and deprivation
    Staring him in the face is the government’s dereliction,
    Apathy, helplessness and desertion

    He looks everywhere, but there is no redemption
    He has many a question coupled with determination;
    On governance, he thinks, he has the ammunition.

    But the government is ready with accusation,
    Fulmination and protestation,
    And nothing but contempt for the opposition.

    When it cannot reply to charges of corruption,
    It resorts to the ploy of evasion;
    And on Swiss money, prevarication.

    SG, RG, Singhji all show immense gumption
    Offering the Rajas and Mantris protection
    And the Thomases with good-conduct certification.

    But, come election,
    He will again bless the ruling dispensation
    With re-election and re-surrection.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I reflects rather well your viewpoint. Could have been a little more objective. My insert to it could run somewhat like:
    BJP’s overdrive isn’t frightening
    generates more thunder than lightening
    Twisting facts and covering truths
    It wants to influence polling booths
    Will it or not
    It hasn’t yet fully got
    What with the Yeddy blot

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    The doubts of all the doubting Thomases have been proved correct: the CV of the CVC has been found to be fudged!

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    nirav Reply:

    @Vinod,

    Some people like you donot understand what they stand for but only know what they stand against…
    A mad bull which goes crazy when it sees red and charges…
    no wonder they cannot be Hero but anti-hero….
    finally somebody had a date with his concience:)

    The way you were trying to make sure media doesnt debate CVC issue and keep people ill informed just proves that the antihero is anti -india and anti-human.,…
    One day when congress cupboard with skeltons will open up it will have one body with no heart and no spinalcord but possibly with a padmashri hanging around the neck:)

  • shikha

    This govt needs to go. People need to vote out Congress in the next elections and if this govt comes back again, it shall be the greatest shame for our democracy. If the electorate does not act, the corrupt in the Congress party would only get emboldened.
    I do not know if Mr.Sharma would vote for this govt in the next elections but any Indian who loves his country must get his acts together. Enough is enough !!

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  • http://- Rajeev

    After watching Vinod Sharma on Timesnow, I have concluded that he is now behaving more like CHEERGIRL for congress and dynasty than journalist.
    Can you imagine the sight of Vinod Sharma in short skirt with POM POMS in hand cheering for Rahul/Sonia and Slave congress? By the way he would be smiling while doing that.

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  • Prashanth

    Vinod,

    Loved ur anti-hero stance on CVC debate with Arnob on Timesnow…

    u stole the show, but made extremely interesting points.

    Thanks.

    Prashanth

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I guess, you are just like Vinod, anti-hero i.e. bafoon..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Prashanth
    Thanks. Pl ignore the character who just butted in. He is a psy-war specialist trained in Nagpur. He would lose his job if he ceased to abuse people like us.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    And Vinod sharma cleans gutter at 10 janpath…

  • Diva
  • Praveen Saxena

    It is common knowledge , which even an Assistant working with the central Govt can tell, that the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet (ACC) for aapointment of Joint Secretaries and above comprises the PM , HM and the Minister concerned. For appointment of the CVC the ACC was expanded to include the Leader of the Opposition. Noe the Home Minister is a permanenet member of the ACC because his Ministry ( read the Intelligence Bureau) does a scan of the candidate and files the report. Other authorities whose clearance is take is the CVC ( also include the CBI) to check if any vigilance enquiries are pending. Papers concerning the Palmolein case would 100% be part of the Personal file of Thomas.
    This PM is turning out to be the biggest Liar and the Home Minister included if they say that that they did have any report about Thomas’s case. Moreso when the Leader of the Opposition is going to file ann affidavit that she had raised that case in her submission. Even though it may have been verbal and her written note just said “I disagree”.
    It is a seperate issue concerning the morals and ethics of this PM that the spirit of the SC orders to include the Leader of the Opposition was to make the CVC above controversy and non – political. This PM it appears has sold his soul to remain PM. He has become very fond of that chair.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Saxenaji,

    The minutes of the meeting of the AC to select the CVC were not recorded, as -’Attorney General G E Vahanvati said: “It’s a matter of fact that the material pertaining to the chargesheet and sanction for his prosecution… was not before the committee. Only the bio-data of the three candidates was placed before it. Since there are no minutes of the meeting, it would be difficult to say whether the aspect of corruption case was discussed or not.”- This is reported in Hindustan Times.

    But, any person with minimum intelligence will tell you that the leader of the opposition cannot simply write, ” I disagree” on the selection report, without having given her reasons for her disagreement.

    A larger issue is why THOMAS? AND WHY THOMAS ONLY?Particularly when on the same panel there was Bijoy Patnaik who was senior to Thomas? (HT)

    It is a little known fact that this gentleman has long ago-in fact as early as in 2007- been identified to hold important positions in the central bureaucracy, which was why the rules have been bent quite a bit (report in HT).

    In an earlier post, I have mentioned the reason: because he is a Christian. The same holds good for KGB. It is no secret, though people fight shy of talking about it, that Sonia Gandhi is surrounding herself with people belonging to a particular faith, overtly as in the case of Thomas and covertly as in the case of KGB.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    You have hit the nail on its head . This issue probably has something to do with the forthcoming elections in Kerala and its significant Christian vote bank.
    regards

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Among others on the panel was Bijoy Chatterjee of the 1973 West Bengal cadre. Thomas is 1973 Kerala cadre. Pl stop your rumour mill and check these facts Mr Sherlock Holmes.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    these are not rumours, but little discussed, never acknowledged facts. I was, in fact referring to Bijoy Chatterjee, but got his name wrong. But, frankly, Bijoy had no chance ab initio.

  • Ram

    Friends , see this article about our God Mother

    http://the-diplomat.com/indian-decade/2011/01/28/teflon-chips-from-sonia-gandhi/

    Sonia Gandhi has so far ensured that the story of her life gets told the way she wants it to be. Despite its boast of being free, the Indian media has so far declined to reveal details of Sonia’s immediate family: her two sisters and her mother. No facts have come out about their education or income level, nor have any of their visits to India been reported on properly. A similar fog surrounds Sonia’s time in Britain and her family in Italy. Indeed, a fairytale quality suffuses the reporting and the books written about her that seems at variance with her ruthlessness and familiarity with the greasy world of Indian politics.

    Amazingly, the foreign media—which usually delights in tearing politicians to shreds—has followed the meek example of its Indian counterpart by refusing to investigate details about the ‘CP’ (short for Congress President, the moniker given her by the ruling party). Even internet postings on her seem to have been carefully edited, with several less than flattering accounts getting removed, perhaps by ‘accident’, before being replaced with fresh instalments of pulp.

    But now, for the first time since she arrived in India as the daughter-in-law of then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, the Teflon that has protected her from the usual scrutiny meted out to politicians in democracies seems to be coming off.

    The first sign was the fall from grace of two journalists known to be very close to her—New Delhi TV’s Barkha Dutt and the Hindustan Times Editor Vir Sanghvi. Both were outed in the ‘Radia Tapes,’ which recorded conversations between lobbyist Nira Radia and her contacts that suggested Radia was more than a little enthusiastic about ensuring that her friends got their money’s worth from her lobbying efforts.

    Since then, a politician known to be close to her, Suresh Kalmadi, has been disgraced for alleged ‘lapses’ over the spending of the huge amount of money set aside by the government for the 2010 Commonwealth Games.

    Another politician in an allied political party, meanwhile, has been accused of causing a loss of $45 billion to the exchequer through the virtual gifting away of scarce spectrum to a handful of corporates. The diary in which he wrote down details of the cash payments made by him to other politicians has disappeared from view—much like businessman Hassan Ali Khan, who was apparently caught secreting away $8 billion in Swiss banks.

    The paralysis that has afflicted Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee and Home Minister P Chidambaram in dealing with such elements seems to have convinced the public that these alleged wrongdoers have a protector more powerful than this governmental troika. The public sees only one person this could be—Sonia Gandhi.

    While the print media are as usual silent (with a handful of honourable exceptions) the internet has been buzzing with reports about the travels to Dubai, London, the Maldives, Geneva and other locations of the Maino clan, who seem to be a perfect example of the Hindu Undivided Family. And in a departure from the previous 43 years of silence, broadcast media is carrying news on allegations made about Sonia and her sisters, including reports that they are far wealthier than the meagre income reported by the all-powerful CP in her election filings suggests.

    While Congress Party leaders squirm, the reality is that such unaccustomed transparency in the media indicates that the cosy world of Indian politics, in which VVIPs look after each others’ loot while professing opposition, is finally coming apart. Who knows—a few people might finally be jailed for the estimated $1.4 trillion of illegal funds stashed away by Indians (and their non-citizen relatives) in tax havens.

    If so, it would mean that India is at last on the path to becoming a genuine democracy.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Ram,

    Thanks for providing the link to the ‘Teflon Queen Mother’. Here are a few interesting, but hitherto “secreted” pieces of information:

    1. The new CVC, Thomas, is neckdeep in trouble and he is the chosen one. Needless to say by whom.
    2. The Chairman of the NHRC, K.G.Balakrishnan (KGB) is neck deep in trouble and he too is the chosen one- Needless to say etc..etc…etc… Both no1 and no2 are, by mere chance(?) Christians.
    3. Sonia Gandhi claimed, in her CV to the election commission, that she is a graduate from Cambridge University. But Subrahmanya Swamy challenged her declaration in the SC, providing proof of her having attended only some English teaching course at some roadside tutorial in Cambridge, after which she agreed to “alter” the claim about her being a degree holder, upon which the then Chief Justice, who later became the chosen one for the NHRC requested Swamy to leave the matter at that and close the chapter.
    4. Swamy has also got “proof” of her family’s astounding rise in the heirarchy of Italian billionaires, within a short span of 25 years, to the NO 2 position next only to the owners of the FIAT car company.

    There are several “juicy” bits of information. More later.

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    nirav Reply:

    @shenoy sir,

    the whole gandhi family is rotten…
    infact the surname Gandhi itself is stolen.
    Sonia was a bartender is well known and how she seduced Rajiv after having done it with scindia is well documented.
    Read the book The REd saree which the spineless congress is blocking.
    Robert wadra is exempted from check at the airports an honour which even the army chief is not honored with.
    Why ?He has an anique shop in italy like sonia and they might need to take some gifts from here?(antique gifts i may say)
    Read this about rahul
    http://rahulgandhirapessukanya.blogspot.com/ …what more can we say about the dictatorship of bartenders,smugglers and rapists we live in…..

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    krishna Reply:

    Mr.Vinod Sharma pls comment

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  • Rajiv

    A good news item on the plight of Baluch-Hindus , the last few not yet killed, abducted or converted..

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?270204

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv,

    I have read the article. I think India should open its gates to them before they are hacked off in an orgy of Pakistani violence, justified under the name of Ummah or some shit.

    Yesterday IBN 7 was showing a video of what the Taliban did to two young people who had fallen in love. The Girl while alive, half buried in in sand and then a cheering crowd hit her full force with huge rocks till she cried in pain and finally died…

    Then there was a fight on who would shoot her. An oldish guy got his AK 47 and shot her at least 30 times.

    THen the young guy. His legs were first tied and then so were his hands so that he could not run away. His head was covered by a hood. Then huge rocks thrown at him by a maniacal crowd. He writhed and cried in pain, while the crowd of Talibanis cheered in joy.

    Till he died.

    And then again a fight broke out on who would fire the last shots at him The guy who won, pumped in all bullets of his AK 47….

    SICK !! :( :( SICK :( :( SICK :( :( to the core

    Yeh Pakistan nahi, insaniyat ka Kabristan hai !! :( :(

    Wah !! Wah :) Wah :) kya desh hai !!

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    This is what pakistani muslims want. First they took away hindu land in the name of Islam and now they are expelling hindus.
    The hindus in pakistan should be supported by India and their issue should be raised in UN. Immigration is no solution..First hindus should take legal recourse else they should learn to use other means just like kashmiris.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Look in the mirror RAjeev and Vijay, not only have you people grown old but ugly too: More cut and paste to enlighten your memories.

    Jhabua Incident: Not only is there no attempt at applying balm to the wounds, there is an attempt to shift blame. This is apparent in the three stages of the official and political reaction on the shocking case of the gang-rapes in Jhabua. First, the efforts was to try to prove that no one was raped, and that it was ‘ordinary’ crime, a mere molestation. Secondly, the endeavour was to try to say that it was not a communal issue. And finally now, the seems to be to try to prove that Christians were the rapists. The trauma of a the nuns is the final violence in a long chain of violence. The total cases involving Gujarat, Maharashtra, Rajasthan, MP, Bihar, UP, Punjab, Orissa, Tamil Nadu and even Kerala, are now reaching a hundred

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Islamic propaganda…Jabhua nuns were raped by missionaries…update yourself.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    http://www.nyu.edu/classes/keefer/joe/reuben2.html

    Shameless creatures point fingers at others while ….read and see for yourself Vijay and Rajeev. I am sure your elders never told you guys about it, or did they ?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Islamic propaganda…

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Just because you can’t face th truth, it is propaganda, it should be Proper Danda instead for you people

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar,

    Your stupidity makes me smile my friend…. :)

    ~~~ Your hell hole of a country, is the kabristan of Insianiyat…

    Your main export worldwide is terror and heroin :)

    ~~~ You guys will never change….

    And will salute Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed and Masood Azhar

    ~~~ Because they hold the biggest guns…. :D :D

    Rajeev Reply:

    Azhar (enuch) was raped by four men today…read today’s dawn..

  • Rajiv

    What Nazis did to Jews, the ideology that inspires Pakistan has done that to Hindus, resulting in extinction of Hindus from a vast swath of land where they were the over whelming majority 1400 years ago.
    No wonder, the proper name of it should be Paap-istan. The issue is no one has ever spoken on behalf of minoritis in Pakistan as the state has fostered a culture that leads to their extermination.
    While % of minorities that make up Indian population has grown, the % of minoritis that make up Pak population , particularly Hindus, is nearing extinction.

    Does this matter, just on humanitarian grounds, even remotely ever cause a shred of concern to the “Representative of the majority community” in the minority commission in India ?????

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  • Rajiv

    Bizarre but very sad..
    ——————————–

    Student booked in blasphemy case in Karachi

    By Atif Raza

    KARACHI: Shahrah-e-Noor Jahan police station has registered a blasphemy case against a student.

    The police said Muhammad Samiullah, an intermediate student, was arrested on January 28, 2011 on the complaint of chief controller intermediate board, who alleged him for writing derogatory remarks in his answer sheets against Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).

    He said that Samiullah, who was the resident of Mujtaba Colony Malir Halt, violated the blasphemy laws of the country as he expressed unacceptable remarks against Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) in his three answer sheets (Urdu, Islamiat and Physics).

    They said an FIR (56/11) was registered against him under 295-C of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) at Shahrah-e-Noor Jahan police station.

    SP Zafar Iqbal said the arrest was made on the complaint of chief controller intermediate board and added that police obtained all his answer sheets before taking him in the custody. He said the challan in this regard was presented in the court and Samiullah was sent to jail custody. The SP said Samiullah also written a confessed letter, admitted to committing the mistake and sought apology.

    When contacted, Qudrat Sher Lodhi, an investigation officer of this case, said that the accused told that he was brainwashed by his cousins, who came from Norway. He said that Samiullah had no any physical or mental illness. He said that further investigation was underway.

    ————————————————————————————————

    This is no uneducated mullah who filed this suit . The suit is filed by “chief controller intermediate board of Pakistan”. Thats why I say, extrimists and idiots make up the fringe in other societies, they seem to make up the majority, the national mainstream in Pak state. Thats what so sad.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    That is why majority of Pakistnis want to have procedural changes, so that nimcumpoops like this Mulla don’t come along and file charges. It will take time but it will go through.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Mr Vinod has objected to the coverage of the CVC case in the media
    “But I take serious excepton to Court proceedings being commented upon on TV channels. We should let the Judges come to a considered view.”
    I wonder whther he is recommending this to be a general Rule or to be applied only to the “CVC Thomas” case.
    Day in day out we see the media, Print as well as Electronic , discussing , analysing , commenting on proceedings of cases being adjudicated upon by courts. The Jessica Lal case, the Mattoo case, the Ayodhya case , ….. the list can be endless. Each day’s proceedings were headlines of the day and needless to say that the coverage was accompanied with opinions directly or indirectly
    At that time defence counsels also said that this was trial by media. But none listened. So why now a new rule for the CVC case?
    In law the only test for this purported objection can be the ” Contempt of Court law ” and which the courts do not hesitate in applying.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    It is a transparent fig leaf Vinod Sharma has very maladroitly held to cover the patently ham-handed selection of a tainted babu to the top post in the anti-corruption heirarchy.

    The anti-hero act must have exhausted Shri Vinod Sharma so much that he has fallen silent for the last three days!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy,

    All the cheerleaders of the COngress are in a tizzy…

    ~~~~ As speaking all the spin for the COngres has made them dizzy….

    Uncle Vinod is probably hibernating in Goa….

    ~~~~ While all of us are wondering ki kya hua ???? :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Two points:

    I had said earlier, ” When it cannot reply to charges of corruption,
    It resorts to the ploy of evasion;
    And on Swiss money, prevarication.”

    Now, the babe of Indian politics, Rahul Baba, has come out strongly in favour of India collecting hoarded treasure from the Swiss Banks, which, in all probability, Montek Singh Ahluwaia might have advised him, belongs to the poor of India. This may be because by now Sonia Gandhi might have emptied her Swiss Bank accounts to its last dollar and gone to Cayman Islands.

    After stoutly refusing to agree to the formation of the JPC, now the congress party seems ready to go through the trial by fire. My dear friend, Vinod Sharma, too may fall in line discarding his earlier line that MPs cannot investigate or interrogate fellow MPs.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    The statement of Rahul Baba is quite harmless. As I read it , it said that the Money should be brought back. ( let us clap clap clap) Now what are the concrete steps he proposes in that direction, what is he doing to influence the govt which he and his mother runs.

    To my mind , if pressure mounts and developments compel , this govt shall come out with another amnesty scheme. Already in the garb of Independent Experts some people have started touting this line in the Media. This is the course which shall cause least damage to them and others whose money is parked abroad, and we shall all be expected to clap clap clap

    As for Mr Vinod Sharma’s ire , pl do not get disheartened , unki to naraazgi bhi achchi lagti hai.
    Best regards to you and Mr Vinod Sharma .

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I will in future not be spending the kind of time I have spent with you people all these months. Know why? Because I think it has spoilt you. :) ) You also frequently use the interaction to make insinuations and raise doubts about my integrity which I think is very very unfair. So just talk among yourself and I’d drop by once in a while to count the expletives you hurl.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You better hide for some time now..because you yourself know that you are a big LIAR.

    sheela Reply:

    praveen ur reply lacks justice and fairness…..since shrma is doing this to protect congress..better examples are allegations aginst mody,yeddy,varun,gadkari which r also subjudice

    and shrma and his media mafia have been discussing them 24-7 for political propaganda for congress..especially minority votebank which is so big that they know congress can win on their religous hatred for bjp….corruption and performance be damned…

    see how minorities unite against bjp…not that ur examples r bad…but remeber sharma is first and foremost a congressi….his journo hat does not exist….the propagandist one does..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Only louts call others liars. Keep your ugly counsel.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    Then why was there so much noise on Kapil Sibal going public with his take on the 2G scam? The reason was simple— he commented on a case being mointored by the SC. The Jessica case, the Arushi and the Mattoo cases cannot be compared with Thomas and 2G. Probes in these cases were over and the uproar followed initial court judgements where the investigating agencies failed to secure convictions. In the PJ Thomas case, the subject of discussion were the day’s proceeedings on which comments were being offered without regard to what actually transpired in the Court.
    That was my objection and I believe it was valid. Even parliament cannot debate matters that are sub judice.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    @ Mr Vinod Sharma

    My submission is that you are creating a distinction where none exists in law. The objection you raise, to sustain, has to fall foul of the law relating to contempt of court.

    As regards the case of Kapil Sibbal’s statement , the distinction lies not in law but in fact. Kapil Sibbal is a Cabinet Minister incharge of Telecom , a person in a position of Authority.. The SC is monitoring an inquiry into an issue, which happened to be the subject matter of the Minister’s statement .

    So what did the SC do ? It asked to CBI to continue with the Investigations without being influenced by the Remarks of the Minister, becuse implicitly the SC apprehended there was a possibility of the Ministers Remarks prejudicing the CBI Inquiry.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena
    So it is okay for you if the Leader of Opposition accuses the AG of misleading the court without verifying what actually transpired between the judges and the AG. If the court was really misled, do you think Prashant Bhushan, another lawyer present in the Court, would have kept mum?
    The rule of the game is simple: Let the Court hear the case and pronounce judgement. TV channels can debate the issue in general but not with specific reference to what happened in the Court on a given day. Judgements can be discussed — even criticised — but without attributing motives to Judges.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinod,
    What do you say now when Chidambaram has confessed to discussing Thomas’s corruption case during his appointment?
    I guess you were not properly briefed by Manish Tiwari.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    You start listening to others before passing judgement. I have from day one maintained that the AG was responding to the SC’s limited query whether the chargesheet was part of the documents before the committee. He pointedly responded in the negative to the pointed SC question. The Court refused to go into what actually transpired between the three members — including Sushma Swaraj. So there was no misleading of the Court .
    Also, Ms Swaraj did not put down in righting the reasoning for her disagreement on the appointment of Thomas.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Vinodji,

    suramaii raat hai sitaare hain
    aaj donon jahaan hamaare hain

    subah kaa intezaar kaun kare –
    subah kaa intezaar kaun kare –

    phir yah rut yah samaa mile na mile
    aarzuu kaa chaman khile na khile
    vaqt kaa aitabaar kaun kare
    subah kaa intezaar kaun kare

    tum ko apanaa banaa ke dekh liyaa
    ek baar aazamaa ke dekh liyaa
    baar baar aitabaar kaun kare
    ab teraa i.ntazaar …

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    khayaal achcha hai. I too am reminded of a couplet:
    Dushmani jam kar karo, par itne gunjayish rahe
    ke phir kabhi jab dost banjayen tou sharminda no hon

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    amen

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  • vijay

    Sharmaji

    For God sake.. stop singing the Italian Song and it is not what the people of India want. Your frequent message on Congress clearly states that you guys are paid for this else, you should be commenting on every facts and only facts irrespective of which party is involved. But all we see from you is always taking side of Congress High Command. Highlight the good things and speak the disgusting & corrupt system as this is what the journalism is supposed to do. If you want us to continue reading HT, you better change the way people wish to know.

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  • Anonymous

    I hate both BSP and SP but not more than Congress..so I pray to god that SP or BSP come back to power in 2012..because if congress comes back to power, UP will go back in time by 30 years…

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  • http://www.facebook.com/bappam Bappa Mukherjee

    SA wrote: “Question today is which party can give good governance in UP?” Unfortunately, good governance is not a priority for any of the political parties in UP where they exploit religion and caste affiliations to divide and mobilize voters. Things have gotten so bad that the venality of candidates is generally not enough to disqualify them from running for office. An ex-IAS officer of the UP cadre, Mr. P.L. Punia is a classic example. He was known as an acolyte of Mayawati during her earlier reign and her Mr moneybags. Any impartial investigation into his assets under the Prevention of Corruption Act would land this man behind bars. Instead, he trots around as a leader of the Scheduled Castes by the Congress and nobody thinks to inquire into his background. This lack of alternatives is the problem that is eating into the vitals of Indian democracy. Just because he has won an election, we are supposed to respect people like him. Anna Hazare’s movement has launched a bold experiment to intervene in this process as veto players where they vet candidates based on their position on the Lok Pal bill like pressure groups in the US. For example, the Americans for Tax Reform has ensured that most Republicans running for elective office sign a pledge not to raise taxes. This is just the beginning.

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  • http://twitter.com/amishra77 Akhilesh Mishra

    That a “sea” city like Mumbai has taken almost 20 years to wean you away from the love of the mountains is a testament to the shockingly abysmal condition of most of the beaches in Mumbai. I actually cry every time I see them, especially the Juhu beach, presumably the creme dela creme.

    However, should you choose sanyas in say Goa or Andamans or Pondichery, then do let some of the bhakts know so that we can have darshan once a while :)

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  • http://twitter.com/amishra77 Akhilesh Mishra

    That a “sea” city like Mumbai has taken almost 20 years to wean you away from the love of the mountains is a testament to the shockingly abysmal condition of most of the beaches in Mumbai. I actually cry every time I see them, especially the Juhu beach, presumably the creme dela creme.

    However, should you choose sanyas in say Goa or Andamans or Pondichery, then do let some of the bhakts know so that we can have darshan once a while :)

    Akhilesh

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  • Kushal

    It’ll more likely be Hong Kong, Akhilesh.It was on a trip to HK in 2004 from deadly dry Delhi that I realised how much I loved the sea.

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  • Parmanu

    This reminded me of our walk along the Marine drive, that lovely evening in Jan 2010.

    I’ve never lived by the sea, but I’m certain that I’ll love it. For precisely the reasons you outline.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Yep, you get it, Parmanu. Grin.

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  • Anamika

    You cannot…you must not do that

    Not after sharing those amazing bookstores….

    Retire to one of those. I’m sure they’ll take a bookophile (is there word like that?) very gladly as one of their permanent residents :)

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    Kushal Reply:

    Well… *Weakens*… Maybe I can be a sanyasi by the sea with a bookstore?

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    How else would someone get an education, except by reading a book ?

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  • Manpreet Singh

    There was a suggestion on Twitter long ago. I forgot the name of the person, but here it is (paraphrased):

    Instead of boycotting the Olympics, Indians should turn up at the Olympics, win medals, and refuse to accept them.

    Succinct and effective.

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  • Bangman

    This pathetic **** who calls himself Iyer or watever his mother told him must be shamed first. Pathetic **** or **** brit as you may be, Indians are going to crush you very soon. Get out of commenting from here you worthless piece of shite.

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  • guest

    Who cares for Indian. They are bunch of arrogant, just like Vir. A country where 60% of population deficate outside in the open, where 42% of the children are malnourished, where almost all politicians are corrupt, where 250 women dies during pregannacy of every 100 000 birth, where 80% live with income less than 80 Rs a day, who will take it seriously. Grow up India.

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  • Guest

    Maybe Vir can get his pal Niira Radia to run the Shame campaign. They certainly have enough practice!

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  • ManmohanSingh

    ahem – why not collect 7 million pounds from each major donor and give it to the Bhopal victims? that would certainly help them. shaming Dow may or may not do anything.

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  • http://aol.com AnilRprla

    Pakis cares where we are headed!!!

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  • Surinder Sharma

    By any paranoid assessment inheritors of legacy of Rajiv Gandhi & Arjun Singh who were directly connected to escape of Union Carbide chief from dragnet of Indian laws can be assigned the responsibility to be held responsible for the misdeed of their predecessors.
    Similarly now even ex chief Union Carbide is squarely & specifically responsible for all liabilities after Bhopla gas leak tragedy & not at all DOW which is being dragged to divert attention from Rajiv Gandhi & Arjun Singh.

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  • R,K,Malhotra

    Yes India must stand up ,if it can. But we need a strong and straight spine for that.

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  • Aleena

    Why are lahoris and Karachitees going against each other? Please stop. we all belong to one country, which is Pakistan and lets just appreciate what we have and work towards a better future. In addition, I personally feel both cities are beautiful and have their own perks and downfalls like any other place in the world. And just because our families are from one city it doesn’t mean we have the right to bash other cities of Pakistan.

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  • AG

    “…..But most people in Karachi are like me and you…….. They drink Vodka, snort cocaine and hook up sex dates on the Internet.
    !!!! Excuse me, have you realized what a minute percentage of people do this compared to the population of karachi! Certainly that’s not the description of “most people”.

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  • massbytes

    Hard to take someone serious who thinks shale oil is going to make America a petroleum giant. I think the average well produces less than 200 barrels per day. And they deplete very rapidly at that.

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