India needs a JPC on terrorism

Without getting into the debate over the colour of homegrown terrorism, I want to make a bipartisan point: terrorism of any hue needs to be fought and eliminated. But that’s easier said than done without a socio-political milieu that unites all Indians against the threat.

The debate in Pakistan’s liberal circles — after Salman Taseer’s murder in cold blood to silence his campaign against the Blasphemy Law — has been whether it was a Muslim country or a country of Muslims alone? The controversial law isn’t as much about fighting blasphemy as about subjugating or terrorizing minorities and modernists among Muslims who speak up for them.

Pakistani liberals aren’t always supportive of India’s legitimate concerns over cross-border terrorism. But they can be broadly compared with secular Indians the rabid fringe tends to dismiss as pseudo-secularists or secular fundamentalists.

The forceful anti-Hindutva and anti-Mullah body of opinion in India also harbours doubts— and for good reasons — about the Pakistani establishment’s seriousness or ability to contain anti-India terror groups. Taseer’s murder buttressed that view, at once driving home the radicalization of the Pakistani middle class, sections of which celebrated his assassin as a hero.

Unlike Pakistan, the Indian State has no religion. So it isn’t a Hindu country. But are some forces at work to turn it into a country of Hindus alone? The situation might not be that bad— not yet. There is danger nevertheless of Indian middle-classes being drawn to militant nationalism. Such militancy is prone to violent expression that at times is reactive and at times provocative or proactive.

The bomb-for-a-bomb doctrine revealed by the Swami under probe for a series of attacks—-attributed initially to a group of Muslims—appears a case of retributive terror. It may not be a strand yet of a cross-India prism. But it will be a dangerous mistake to ignore it as an aberration. The disease could spread if it isn’t cured fast.

And how to do it? In my view, it’s a fit case for a parliamentary resolution laying down the dos and donts of a political regimen or culture to fight terrorism. With our without the force of a legislation, political parties and groupings, as part of a strategy built around national interest, should stand united or march in unison in the face of a terrorist attack. Suspected groups and individuals should be dealt irrespective of their religious or ideological leanings. They should be fought without any co-lateral damage by way of communal discord or persecution of any social group.

Be they SIMI, LeT, RSS or Abhinav Bharat, there should be no allusion to their faith in any public or media discourse. The idiom of Hindu, Saffron or Islamic terror is self-defeating. It spreads the fire of hatred, not douse or defeat its destructive flames.

A JPC on terrorism— that’s what we need to beat back the terrorists’ agenda of turning India into a mega-sized Beirut.

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Posted by Vinod Sharma on Monday, January 17, 2011 at 8:44 pm
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Rajiv

The problem with dishonesty.
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Imagine this..

I get people who master minded 26/11 from Pakistan, Sonia, Rahul, Digvijay Singh and Pakistani ISI chief , Vinod Sharma and some right wind Hindu extrimists in one room and ask them to repeat , if they feel so, the following after me.
Its all voluntary.

Me : There are religiously motivated terrorists who may belong to any religion from Islam to Christianity , from Hinduism to Sikhism to Buddhism.

The crowd : I hear a loud chorus and and all seem happy. I see ISI chief hugging Digvijat Singh as they exchange sweets.

Me : Over whelming majority of Muslims are not terrorists.

The crowd : They are joyful. The ISI chief immediately dials the LeT chief to give the green light for next operation and the government of Pakistan orders ‘Nishan-e-Pakistan’ for Rahul- and Sonia.

Me : In last 25 years , as per independently compiled statistics, 90% or more of acts of terrorism, have been performed by groups, claiming to be inspired by Islam or fighting in the name of Islam.

The crowd : First there is silence. Then the ISI Chief and Sonia, along with Digvijay and Vinod Sharma, get together to call me as a RSS propogandist.

Me : In last 25 years, 95% of trans national and trans border terrorism, has been committed by groups claiming to be inspired by Islam. Of these groups, over whelming majority come from Pakistan and are sponsored or supported by the constututionally formed government of Pakistan. This includes groups like Taleban, JeM, LeT etc.

The crowd : More shouts and I hear Allah-hu-Akbar.

Me : Pakistan , whose state religion is Islam, has been held by many countries, including India, as a ’state sponsorer of terrorism’ as a country that uses terrorism as an instrument of state policy. When the state it self arms , trains and protects terrorist groups then its no longer a criminal act by a few but a terrorist acts that represent the country or the religion that the state claims to represent.

Crowd : I find the few right wing Hindus on my side and the rest have converged on the other side of the room.

This is what the devotee of truth , Mahatma Gandhi, had to say
“The hindu is a coward and a muslim a bully, by nature”.

Its a generalization , which even many right wing Hindus, would not be inclined to make , to classify an entire community. But most likely, Gandhiji had people like Digvijay Singh, Vinod Sharma etc in mind when he spoke of ‘cowards’ who would not acknowledge the basic facts.
I guess for Gandhi Ji , there was not much difference between dishonesty and cowardice.

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Manirul Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Can you include Babri Masjid demolition terrorism in your article and the terrorists who masterminded it, which took place during YOUR 25 years then you stats/numbers of Hindu-terrorism will exceed Islamic terrorism in India. You are not alone who excluded the above mentioned facts, but also BJP govt, Hindu-Police-SP, Advali-Modi all jointly together had excluded from Police FIRs and criminal proceedings for all Hindu-terrorists and rioters who planned PRE and POST Babri Masjid demolition 92-93 riots episodes. That is why you see only Muslim’s mane in the police records. You got a screwed up statistics. Can you include the name of all Hindu-terrorists in the police record who planned mass killing in 92-93 riots? Then do the big-talk. You are posing as an intellectual writer but readers find you as manipulator.

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manujsk Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
@Rajiv first- Awesome, buddy! You rock..
and then @Manirul- There was a man called Rajiv Gandhi who also walked this earth. Would you like to add his name? The Hindus brought down a dilapidated building. Is that in your mathematics the same as maiming kids and women and old, planting bombs in trains, capturing schools in Russia, flying planes into the WTC, firing rockets at Israel habitants, raping and murdering 20% of the Bangladeshi population pre-74, rioting in parts of China, blasting bombs on the streets of Karachi, bringing down the Bamyan statue of Buddha…….Wish, for a second, you (I mean only those doing this) admitted the facts and said mea culpa. We would all be appreciative and forget the wounds. And we means the world, not just non-Muslim Indians. If Hindus were to indeed turn terrorist, I am not sure if India would retain the tag of “the country with the second largest Muslim population” with most socio-economic indicators better than that of Pakistan atleast. Of which, I am genuinely proud. Hope, you can also see the truth, rather than read Vinod Sharma.
and finally @Vinodji. Man, I love reading you. That brings out the best in a lot of us, of which, some you taste quite regularly. But, then a recent discovery says Sharmacerus skin beats the rhino. With due respect!

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
@manujsk
You are curiously named. So aren’t suprised by your wonky response that is totally innocent of what I wrote in the blog. If you are a heckler, please let me know so that I let you be.

manujsk Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I can only laugh at your power of imagination. Heckler, me? Man, you are funny. Do I not know that mere heckling doesn’t work on you, else the deluge of mails berating you would have stopped. And I beg you to let me be around, else what happens to my daily source of fun reading your paeans to Congress? As regards “innocent of what I wrote”, well all I would suggest you is to float this idea of JPC to your Ma’am and see her turning blue and red Have a great day ahead!

Raghavendra Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Mr Monirul

you said people who indulged in communa riots against mussalmans in 1992-93 were terrorists.

if you go through SECULAR news paper reports during that time , muslims indulged in large scale destructions in different parts of india whether it was in Kerala or in parts of Andhra , Bengal and other states. mislims mobs made life hell for hindu residents of areas having significant muslim population.
dont give on sided picture of communal riots . you wish to say that only hindus indulge rioting during communal discord and do you mean muslims retaliate with flowers during riots?
naturally muslims siffer losses because they are in a minority. they should behave like a minority and not aim to convert india in to another pakistan.

whole country saw the brazen STREET TERROR of MUSLIM mobs during protests against AMERICA’s invasion of IRAQ? how is indian government responsible for america destroying iraq? does ay body in your community have minimum commonsense to think about those things?
why should indian muslims lose sleep if america attacks saddam hussein?what will indian muslims gain if saddam huseein wins his war against americans? will any other muslim contry give food and job to poor indian muslims?why are you people so bothered about their interests?
why should thse TERROR mongering mobs destroy public property in india when america destroys IRAQ?
do you justify street terror unleashed in many parts of india during the IRAQ war by MUSLIM mobs mr Monirul?

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Rajiv

Gandhi Ji on cowardice
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The famous quotation of Mahatma Gandhi on Hindu cowards and Muslim bullies deserves to be read in full:

“There is no doubt in my mind that in the majority of quarrels the Hindus come out second best. But my own experience confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward. I have noticed this in railway trains, on public roads, and in the quarrels which I had the privilege of settling. Need the Hindu blame the Mussalman for his cowardice? Where there are cowards, there will always be bullies. They say that in Saharanpur the Mussalmans looted houses, broke open safes and, in one case, a Hindu woman’s modesty was outraged. Whose fault was this? Mussalmans can offer no defence for the execrable conduct, it is true. But I, as a Hindu, am more ashamed of Hindu cowardice than I am angry at the Mussalman bullying. Why did not the owners of the houses looted die in the attempt to defend their possessions? Where were the relatives of the outraged sister at the time of the outrage? Have they no account to render of themselves? My non-violence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice.”

Sure I may not fully agree with Gandhi Jis quote, but the point he is trying to make is that, no situation can be addressed with political correctness born out of dishonesty or cowardice. First acknowledge the basic truth and then only you can remedy a situation.
The pseudo secularists are the real cowards and Gandhi Ji would mince no words to condemn them.

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Anurag Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 2:44 am
are you for real Mr Rajiv, I am surprised that people like you are even allowed to put your comments here. First you compare apple to oranges, we are talking abt terrorism and you want to talk about corruption. then your entire prejudice is anti muslim and pro Hindu which is the exact thing debated here that whether terrorism has any color or not. I feel we are degrading as a nation because of bigot mentality some people seems to have and then they want to spread it to entire nation. I am totally against the motto that if you are Indian then embrace n uphold the hindu religion and down grade everything else, as a Indian its my prime duty to save secularism and democracy and that is it. I dont have to preach hinduism in every social network to be called a true hindu and this should be true for every other religion as well, they dont have to prove their allegiance to the nation by supporting hinduism as a religion which, i am sick to say that, but is fast becoming the only measuring stick.

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RK Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 5:07 am
By not calling a spade a spade you are not doing a justice to you being an indian. Look around the world, including India, and see how many terror attacks which include hijackings,suicide bombings, kidnappings a d spraying of bullets like Mumbai terror attacks and tell me what is common in all of them ?? Are you honest enough to see ? more than 95 % have been committed in the name of one religion. Secular democracies have been left defenceless .. they seem to be clueless how to tackle this religion driven frenzy… vote bank politics have further crippled the resolve… and mind you they drive their inspiration right from their holy book and how do you say terror has no religion ? It is being done in the name of religion and it flows right from there. Few do it others approve it. The problem is this that some people don’t want to know this inconvenient truth.
When something keep on happening consistently over a long period of time all over the world it is being driven by some ideology or religion. It is as simple as that. 4 blasts between 2006 and 2007 dont make RSS a terror outfit that too anytime before the charges are proven in the court of law.

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:42 am
@Anurag.
Inability to say that over whelming majority of terrost incidents in India and around the world are perpetrated by Muslim groups, supported by Muslim states is COWARDICE.

Regarding secularism, yes India must be secular and prosecute all terrorists, irrespective of their origins. India is already doing that. No advice needed.

However, secularism in India is under threat. from cowards ( read Gandhi ji’s comments quoted ) who obfuscate issues, pander to communal criminals. They gave birth to the greatest communal criminal of 20th century, called Jinnah and pandering to same communal groups will just do the same again.

When the CM of Delhi, defies court orders and gets together with communal criminal the Imam of Jama Masjid, to protest demolition of illegal structure, yes communal politics by Congress is at its best.

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sharan Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Well said Rajiv. I wanted to write something similar as an article and even wanted to be part of these debates on National TV debating Hindu terrorism vs. Muslim Terrorism.

Agreed that terrorism as a concept does not have any affinity to any religion or group. But unfortunately the precedence that is set and the overwhelming majority of these incidents makes it synonymous with Islam.
I dont think anyone will disagree if I say, if you hear a news that there was a terrorist attack somewhere in the world the first thought will be “ahh mostly an Islam terror organization would have done this”. Again unfortunately most of the time this is true.

Another similar example is in North America, if there is a shootout or fight in downtown it is assumed by default that it is some black guy or group and most of the time it will be true.

I dont think a few (relatively) non-muslim terror groups is going to quickly change the perception and make the equation even!

V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
When MANNU BHAI , our so called PM who could not find & courage to stand for a Lok Sabha election inspite of so many strong congressi seats & secular seats in the country , says that Muslims have first right to the national money & resources , then were you in your slumber or had put ear plugs in your ears ? . The problem in our country is most of the so called Hindus have been fed on the strange pseudo secular KHICHDI since last sixty three years & they have inbibed very strange notions of religions especially of Hinduism , always feeling guilty of being a Hindu ; so ready to crawl whenever there is a whimper . The secular space has not wilted a bit when lacs of Hindus were driven away from Kashmir , literally , almost twenty years ago. Did any body lost his peace . Their children who were given temporary space in Delhi , were few days ago I found literally begging money for their day to day rations as they had finished their rations because of high handedness of secular Delhi Dixit’s Govt. , denying them any monetry support to fight the high price rise in the country , in every commodities , from vegetables , cereals , wheat , rice etc. The more strangest news appeared today that to fight in High Court , the demolition of a unauthorised religious place on DDA land in Jang Pura area in Delhi , Shiela Dixit & Muslim bodies have hired same Lawyer . Are the arguments of both are same in the court . How it is possible . Muslim bodies are fighting for a unauthorised , encroached on DDA land , a religious place which was demolished on court’s orders but is the Delhi Govt. fighting the case on same grounds . Is it for fighting for encroachment in Jangpura or against it . Then how come same Muslim Lawyer hired by muslim bodies to fight for regularisation of encroachment can argue the case for Delhi Dixit Govt.’s . Strange are the ways of these so called secular people . The arguments of the so called secular Vinod Sharma are also arbitrary , more often than not literally nonsense , devoid of any substance & insane . Untill & unless we see through the games of these so called seculars , the future of this country will remain in danger zone .

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
@Anurag
Good to meet you. Well said.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 2:07 am
Vinod and Anurag;
You are sick people. Vinod, you are literate amongst illiterates and illiterate amongst literates.
http://- Rajeev

I fully agree with Mr.Sharma’s demand for JPC on terrorism although I do not agree with his motive. I expect Mr.Sharma to also support the demand for JPC on financial terrorism also called corruption.

Now coming to terrorism the JPC should look into foot soldiers, their bosses and their political sympathisers.

Let me be very clear that Hindu radicals involved in terror should be probed first and dealt with iron fist because if majority community starts indulging in terrorism, we will become another pakistan or somalia. Their bosses and sympathisers (BJP, RSS or whosoever it is) should also be brought to books.

After this muslim terrorism should be probed with equal will. Their bosses sitting in mid-east and pakistan should be liquidated. The congress leaders (with other fake-seculars) who provided refuge to IM men on run should be hauled into courts. There has been jodi of Rahul-Digvijay who have been openly supporting LeT-IM-ISI-SIMI-JeM terror against majority community in past few months. These men should be investigated ignoring all political pressure. There are some journos who also support Islamic terror and fabricate justification for their acts. These journos should submit themselves to the probe. After all it is journos who are in charge of Congressi and iSlamic terror propaganda.

Lastly I’d like JPC to probe christian terror (Jesus terror) in north-east and tribal best (Jharkhand & Orissa). What are christian terrorists doing in Maoist orgs?

If terrorism is to be tackled, we have to also tackle soft terrorist like journalists, politicians as well as hard terrorists like Riyaz Bhatkal, Pragya etc.

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Hamid Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 4:14 am
It is not strange that people like you are in India. You have always time to write comment here. Hey you liar do your duty first.

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Madhwa Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:34 am
Why Hindus should be probed first and moslems later? I don’t understand your logic! Are you indeed a “Rajeev”? Hindus, if at all they did, reacted to 33 plus blasts which were confirmedly carried out by Moslems. But none have been caught for those acts. All these 33 plus blasts took place well before the ones done by the so called “saffron terrorists”. Then who should be probed first? Had the justice been done in these preceding 33 plus blasts which all took place during the UPA regime, would these 4 reactive blasts taken place? Are you Vinod Sharma by anotehr name? I bet, you are!

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Rajeev Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Yes, I am Rajeev. I want hindus to be probed first because this will satisfy LeT supporters like Rahul, Digvijay and paid journos. Once these leeches are satisfied, we will be able to probe muslim terrorism.

You can see how LeT supporters such as hamid react when I suggest that both hindu and muslim terrorism should be investigated.

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S khan

Same as earlier blog from VinodS. Nothing new, just bootlicking of soniaG, nothing constructive. What about corruption, infrastucture development Mr. Sharma.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
@S Khan
If I’d write about corruption and infrastructure development, you’d say what about astrology, astronomy or history Mr Sharma? Funny man, you.

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sandipan@inkjam Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Well said Mr Sharma. Terrorism in any form must not be tolerated.

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ishwar

Mr. Sharma,

You can write an entire article based on the presumably forced (and deliberately leaked) confessions of Swami Aseemanand. Why do I say “presumably forced”? Because, so far both Indian and US investigations had revealed a LeT or HuJI link in the Samjhauta blast case. There is documentary evidence to prove this. Has the NIA got any corroborative evidence to substantiate the Swami’s so called confessions so far? The answer is NO.

Now, you have chosen to ignore the Pakistani terrorists angle and have gone all out against RSS and their affiliate organisations and compared them to LeT and SIMI.

Is a fair analysis of any issue too much to ask from a Congress lackey?

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
@Ishwar
Aseemanand has confessed twice — not once —- before two different magisrrates under section 164 of the CrPC. But you wouldn’t understand. Ishwar hasn’t given you an open mind.

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ishwar Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Dear Mr. Sharma,

Now, tomorrow if I go and confess in front of three magistartes that I am responsible for all these blasts, would that confirm that Swami Aseemanand has been framed by the Congress controlled investigative agencies. The point is – where is the evidence? Is a confession enough to paint your political opponents as terrorists?

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
You should have complete open mind , Ishwar , to know the nitty gritty of Vinod Sharma’s Blog. If it do not work then ask him to let you have the pseudo secular Khichri of congressi brand & then see the miracle of seeing everything in proper place with the hallucinations of terrorists of congressi brand in very large scale . I hope you will try to adopt my suggestion once , for the sake of Blogger .
V.K.CHAWLA

I can very safely say that Vinod Sharma very cleverly wants to divert the current raging issue for JPC . As opposition parties are clamouring for a JPC for the issue aggitating the Nation since last many months & the UPA II Govt.’s minions have instructed the blogger to divert the attention of the public by spinning the theory of terrorism . Oh , yes , the blogger will try to argue that terrorism is at present most important issue for the JPC . But terrorism is in this country since last one year , no five years , nay ten years , no Sir it is more than twenty years . So, where comes the now found issue of terrorism , to throw the issue in the market place to see the reaction of dissection , by the public . Why Vinod Sharma has not clamoured for the issue which I think is biggest ever corruption case in the world’s history , if we take CVC theory in its face value . Or the Vinod Sharma has taken the chewing gum theory of Sibal , tomtomming the scam issue to the winds . Yes , today another gentleman from the establishment has trashed the scam theory of CVC . Have you guessed the person . No, he is Montek Singh Ahluwalia , the friend & mentee of our Mannu Bhai . I think , at least you will be knowing Our Mannu Bhai .

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Naveed Khan

Most Hindu’s are in a denial. Most Muslims believe Hindu_Terrorism is targeted at them to finish them off in India. India needs a dialog on terrorism. Hindu Terrorism is aggressive. Its mastermind and its ideological leaning towards making Muslims and Christians Submissive to to the concepts and ideals of Hindutva. A word cleverly disguised to turn India into a land for Hindus. Muslim Terrorism is defensive. It is in self defense. It is to preserve their existence. Multiple Bombings in Mumbai attributed to Muslims were retaliatory. Muslims are being oppressed by the governments both state and the central government. Muslims are being hounded by Terror Organizations RSS, Abhinav Bharat and Colonel Purhoit.

India is slowly but surely institutionalizing state and political terror against the minorities.

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 2:35 am
Muslims have a higher population growth rate and make a gerater percentage of Indian population than anytime since 1947. They have voted with their feet to stay in secular India rather than flee for their lives to Pakistan, as Hindus of Pakistan have and have been eliminated.

So only crippled minds of Pakistan fed on Pakistan state sponsored criminality, sanctioned by its constutution, people and religious laws of Pakistan would beleive the lies from likes of naveed can.

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Naveed Khan Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 4:14 am
Malegaon Blasts-I
September 8, 2006
37 dead

Initial arrests: Arrested include Salman Farsi, Farooq Iqbal Makhdoomi, Raees Ahmed, Noorul Huda Samsudoha and Shabbir Batterywala.
Later revelation: Suspicion now rests on Hindu terrorists because of the 2008 blasts.

Samjhauta Express Blasts
February 18, 2007
68 dead, mostly Pakistanis

Initial suspicion: LeT and JeM were blamed. Those arrested included Pakistani national Azmat Ali.
Later revelation: Police have seen the evidence trail lead to right-wing Hindu activists. Investigators claim the triggering mechanism for the Mecca masjid blast three months later was similar to the one used here. Police are looking for RSS pracharaks Sandeep Dange and Ramji.
Mecca Masjid Blast
May 18, 2007
14 dead

Initial arrests: Around 80 Muslims detained for questioning and 25 arrested. Several have now been acquitted, including Ibrahim Junaid, Shoaib Jagirdar, Imran Khan and Mohammed Adul Kaleem.
Later revelation: In June 2010 the CBI announced a cash reward of Rs 10 lakh for information on the two accused, Sandeep Dange and Ramchandra Kalsangra. Lokesh Sharma arrested.
Ajmer Sharif Blast
October 11, 2007
3 dead

Initial arrests: HuJI, LeT blamed. Those arrested include Abdul Hafiz Shamim, Khushibur Rahman, Imran Ali.
Later revelation: In 2010, Rajasthan ATS arrests Devendra Gupta, Chandrashekhar and Vishnu Prasad Patidar. Accused Sunil Joshi, who was killed weeks before the blast, is believed to have been a key planner.
Thane Cinema Blast
June 4, 2008

Affiliated to Hindu Janjagruti Samiti and Sanathan Sanstha, Ramesh Hanumant Gadkari and Mangesh Dinkar Nikam arrested. Blast planned to oppose the screening of Jodhaa Akbar.
Kanpur And Nanded Bomb Mishaps
August 2008

Two members of Bajrang Dal—Rajiv Mishra and Bhupinder Singh—were killed while assembling bombs in Kanpur. In April 2006, N. Rajkondwar and H. Panse from the same outfit died under similar circumstances in a bomb-making workshop in Nanded.
Malegaon Blasts II
September 29, 2008
7 dead

Initial suspicion: Groups like Indian Mujahideen involved
Later revelation: Abhinav Bharat and Rashtriya Jagaran Manch accused of involvement. Arrested include Pragya Singh Thakur, Lt Col Srikant Purohit and Swami Amritanand Dev Tirth, also known as Dayanand Pandey.
Goa Blasts
October 16, 2009

2 dead Both accused are members of the Sanathan Sanstha. Malgonda Patil and Yogesh Naik were riding a scooter laden with explosives, which accidentally went off.

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Terror trails in India dramatically changed with the Malegaon blasts investigation in September-October 2008. Led by then Maharashtra ATS chief Hemant Karkare, who was subsequently killed on the night of 26/11, the investigation pointed to Abhinav Bharat (AB), an ultra-right-wing Pune-based organisation established in 2005-06, and its members or affiliates. What Karkare’s teams managed to uncover is part of recent history and should have become the basis of examining and monitoring the new phenomenon of Hindutva terror but didn’t

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:30 am
So whats the point ??? Indian government is investigating all terrorist incidents,irrespective of religion of perpetrators. Whats the Islamic Republic of Pakistan doing ? Its the terrorist itself. A throughly criminal entity that arms terrorists from Kasav to LeT and then protects them.

It would fill up a whole library if someone began to list all terrorist acts of groups supported by criminals like NAVED and armedby the Pak state !!

RK Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Thats all ? With so much hardwork and all the speculations all you could discover or invent ?
Even a 10 cleass kid can compile any number of stories like this…but still thats all you could manage ? Even if i take at face value all your exaggerated claims though nothing substantiated.. but for sake of an argument….

So it started in 2006 and ended in 2008 with death of les than 125 people … thats all your story ?

No can you compile how many blasts and suicide bombings ?
Also let me know in how many countries RSS is facing charges ?
What kind of terrorist is Aseemanand who confesses in front of a Magistertate of a crime that carries death penality ???? where you find this breed of terrorists ??

Naveed Mian .. it is just your forte . . Hindus just can’t do it and they have done nothing it is all muslim vote bank politics of Congress but of course , it suits you.

If even a small minority of Hindus had even 10% of venom that you carry there would have been no Muslims in India after creation of Pakistan.

Madhwa Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Naveed “SIMI” Khan,
Can you do us a favour by listing 33 plus blasts that preceded the ones you mention and how many Hindus were killed in them? You will blame it on RSS as well?

Also, has anything been done to bring those culprits to book? Now where is the proof that Hindus did the blasts ? Has it been declared by any court to be so? IM and SIMI guys like you have now been legally empowered by the dirty anti-national congress and their hatchet men in the media like Vinod Sharma to conduct a blast with impunity and then blame RSS for it!

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Naveed Khan Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Madhwa;

Can you list the number of Muslims, Christians and Sikhs killed by Hindu’s in all the genocides committed by the? I have the memory to recall 4 of them 1992 and 2002 against Muslims, 1984 against Sikhs and 2008 against Christians. Have you figured out the Math? Look inwards. Muslim blasts are to defend themselves only. Hindu Terrorism is aggressive. It seeks elimination of Muslims and Christians. Muslim Terrorism is defensive. Just to survive.

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
@Naved,
The world has realized your criminal ideology , and if Muslim states persist with the the criminal Saudi ideology from 7 th century, the world will teach the criminals a lesson.

vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
@Madhwa
What should one call you —- Sanghi-Madhwa Nathuram Godse? Go sleep under some pracharak’s cot.

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RK Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:52 am
57 muslim countries and 1.5 billion worldwide and 180 million in India .. do you call yourself minority ???? by whihc standard ? There is only one muslim majority state in India, J &K, see how many killings are there ? How tens of thousands of hindu families have been driven out of there …Another example is Pakistan see how they have wiped out all the minorities and still need blasphemy law to persecute whatever little are left .. even players like Yousuf Youhana are converting to Islam because they leave no breathing space for you… It is so obvious that muslims want secularism when in minority but when in majority they want shariat…
Hindus had been so tolerant that they are being hounded in their own home ..

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Raghavendra Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Mr Naved khan

i read your article on muslims being prosecuted in india by all political parties.

if you feel this way about CONGRESS party also then why did majority of the muslims in 2009 general elections voted tactically for congress to defeat BJP?

for present terror acts by muslims in india you gove reason of 1992-december 6 or 2002 gujrat riots.
what was the cause that your beloved M A Jinnah’s muslim league to divide united India?
memebers of which community burnt firecrackers when pakistan defeated india in cricket matches? Mr Naved u want me to name that community?

how many bomb blasts does your community wish to stage as revenge for Ayodhya or Gujarat 2002?
what makes muslims youths from kerala to go and fight against indian state in Kashmir?

is this not a sign of treachery Mr Naved?
what ever HINDU TERROR you are talking about has been controlled before it could grow bigger , there is absolutely no way that this type of terror can ever match terror of some muslims.
people like you should advise your community mebers to be NAMAK HALAL and never be NAMAK HARAM.

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Raghavendra Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Mr Naved khan

i am still waiting for your reply to my first comment.

you said muslim terror is defensive and hindu terror offensive.
do you wish to suggest that it is perfectly alright for muslim boys from india to reach pakistan take training in the camps there and sneak back in to india and engineer what you call
DEFENSIVE TERROR? you feel it is ok to take help from PAKISTANI MUSLIMS who abuse INDIAN MUSLIMS as MOHAJIRS?
during processions of hindu festivals one can always read in the news papers how stones are pelted from inside MASJIDS. if one reads newspapers during GANESH FESTIVAL one can read many stories of MUSLIMS hurling stones on ganesh idols during processions and even breaking idols by pelting stones which invariably lead to communal riots.
Mr Naved Khan you are right when you say that muslims suffer maximum loss when communal riots happen but most of the riots are instigated by MUSLIM community. it is very difficult to deny what i just said. think honestly and then reply to my commets.

i will write more once i get your comments.

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Amjad Khan Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Brother Mr.Raghavendra
This is the Problem with the mindset most of the majority in India..
Point1: Congress party is not the Muslim representative neither any parties. Here I am not Pro or Cons against any parties.
Point2: Jinnah is not solely the leader representative to Muslim community. Our life leads on the basis of Sunnah and Shariah.
Point3 : If I have to show my patriotism through cricket it is just a foolishness..Just lead a life without hurting any others by your words,deeds or actions. That also in the Modern society considered as Patriotism. If some body fires a cracker that hurts your patriotism in the sense for the last 60 years the whole majority is seeing us as citizens of Pakistan even though our soul, life and dignity and love enrooted to My motherland India (That includes Ur post as well..Iam sorry to say this) that hurts more than what U feel.
Point4 : Related to Bomb Blasts its mere media hypocricy..bcoz U see If any suspect held from our community they simply print like confirmed terrorist..But In others case they will say like INvestigations are still going on…And to your knowledge MOst of the leading media,s are not run by us..Brothers whatever U say the world world listens as well as us. Past 10 years U told Muslims are terrorists we accepted it..Now also the same media is telling that others are terrorists we have to listen it. God only knows who is the real culprit behind it.
Point5 : In Islam we believe that the whole humans are brothers and sisters. If suppose somebody hurts our brother,s family we will raise a voice. It is not only applicable for muslims..Even In your home your sister got disturbed by others we will raise a voice against it. Thats what Islam teaches.
Other than that My optimum point is that: “Darkness never Replaces Darkness. Enlight Urself with Knowledge”. I need not to point a riot to justify another riot. Thats foolishness. Whatever U mentioned may be true or lie,because I live in a society where Hindu Brothers treat me as their family members as well as we treat them as good brothers.
Because all of us have to answer in front of god on Judgement Day…Atlast “Lakum Deenukum Valiyadeen”. Your way is for you and My way is for me.
Best of luck..If you wish to bash my comments with anti comments by some mere examples as always welcome (and as expected)

Rajeev Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
After reading Vinod Sharma and other HT journalists, it is becoming increasingly clear that many of these journalist are actually congressi propagandists who are on Congress Payroll.
This is media terrorism and there should be JPC to probe this.

It looks like Vinod Sharma is Hafiz Sayeed and Aseemanand rolled into one heading the media terrorism on behalf of present day muslim league Congress (Italian).

Raghavendra Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 11:18 am
brother amjad

many many thanks for replying to my comments. i agree with your one point that all religions whether Hindu , Islam or any other religion always preach good things, holy things , noble things.if you read my article i mentioned about some Muslims not every body.

in my life i have had quite a few Muslim friends and they we are so friendly even if we meet rarely due to our jobs and other personal reasons.

Mr Mohammad Ali Jinnah fought and created Pakistan his aim was to create a home land for Muslims but today all of us can see where the country of his dreams has reached.
he envisaged Muslim unity but today in Pakistan there is enmity between SHIAS and SUNNIS , enmity between PUNJABI and other language groups. you can see how MOHAIRS are prosecuted tortured and killed.

yes Muslim youths were arrested in connection with bomb blasts nobody says every single person of them is a terrorist . it is quite possible that some of them would be innocent.
why do Muslim youths from India go underground or flee to Pakistan after they engineer bomb blasts in India?they escape so well that no police no other agency can get them. these things show that there is some complicity on their part in these acts.quite q few of them themselves have admitted to getting training in parts of Pakistan. why do these youths take training and help from a country which hates India is it because it is just Muslim country?

i wish to say 1 thing it is easier to mobilize or incite Muslims in the name of religion compared to Hindus. this very mentality of Muslim masses was exploited by Mohammed Ali
Jinnah in the pre independence era.
my only request to my Muslim friends is not to get brainwashed by elements who always want to keep them backward and not allow them to develop economically. my request is that they should shun all types of politicians and such elements.

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Brother Mr.Raghavendra
I dont know why you removed your reply option..May be you thought whatever the confessions you have typed below every body should believe that final solution..(Hopefully If I am not wrong)

“why do Muslim youths from India go underground or flee to Pakistan after they engineer bomb blasts in India?they escape so well that no police no other agency can get them. these things show that there is some complicity on their part in these acts.quite q few of them themselves have admitted to getting training in parts of Pakistan. why do these youths take training and help from a country which hates India is it because it is just Muslim country?

i wish to say 1 thing it is easier to mobilize or incite Muslims in the name of religion compared to Hindus. this very mentality of Muslim masses was exploited by Mohammed Ali Jinnah in the pre independence era.
my only request to my Muslim friends is not to get brainwashed by elements who always want to keep them backward and not allow them to develop economically. my request is that they should shun all types of politicians and such elements.”
I agree..Here the technique of writing is called as pulling the words from mouth…
May be all these above conclusions you made by the media..I hope you have not personally seen it..or you have not atleast met the person who got training in pakistan..simply U as well us We believe that “A person confessed has taken a training in Pakistan and engineered bomb blasts in India”. While coming to the real point dont come to conclusion until really verified.
In a country Majority holds almost 85% with well equipped Defensive system,Police administrative system and Informative systems among other 15% If they do an offence and escape If it is not possible to catch them within a week??..Hopefully yes..May be for that the Judicial system has to be strong and right.It is not like just for the sake of filing some colorful stories and provoke religious incitement into it. OK U believe that If I get brainwashed by someothers and they say do some harm to my country…I will do that???..No not at all.
Thats where In my first point itself I made my statement clear that “Darkness never replaces Darkness”. As an Indian citizen If you are worrying about other community I always welcome..But If you pinpointing the things to make again to portray ourself as aliens…Again we will end up in the same loop ..that is nothing but Blame game.

Raghavendra Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Mr Amjad Khan
i always like your answers whether there is reply option available or not, keep replying me.
you seem to blame every bodt except your community for the alleged terror acts the youth indulge in. this very media you know appluad when it reports about Aseemanand’s confession reported about muslim youths. you berated the same media then and you are appreciating it now? what an irony amzad bhai?
you dont seem to ruat indian police , media or any other institution except judiciary because you feel everything is majority controlled. fine. go back few months and see again your self how cerain muslims reacte to the Allahabd high court order on RAMJANMABHOOMI issue.
you honestly reply if certain people of your community respected judiciary then?
do musims respect judicial orders when courts give verdicts about compalints by muslim women? then muslims tell the court that they will only accept SHARIAT and not that court’s order?
you want majority HINDUs to accept judicial orders MUSLIMS have a right to reject them as minorities? what an arguement?
whole country knows how orthodox muslims reacted when court gave it’s order in SHAH BANO case? i hope you remeber that Mr Amazad?
yes muslims suffer from economic backwardness and other problems even after 60 plus years of free india. the biggest reason is that muslims have allowed orthodox elements to control society and dictate terms. muslim community needs to introspect seriously for the present state rather than blame others. you said you will not get brainwashed by others you may eb right about your sef but not about majority of the community.

i am an ECONOMIST and i have studied economic plight of many social groups including muslims . i have seen closely how society oparates.

i will write more once i gt your comments.

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Brother Mr.Raghavendra..
At last U opened ur real face
No where I have mentioned any community or anything or for the argument sake I never mentioned aseemananda .. U r coming out with defending urself..
OK in Ur point of view I clearly told on my first post itself the media,s are run by prejudiced system of crowd pullers…OK For the argument sake we keep like this..Let it be Aseemananda’s confession may be lie..But how many youths lost their young life in jail convicted as terrorist by the same judicial system for the same case…The same question I will ask you Mr.Economist..Weather U would have opposed it at that time,no U people have applauded without intriguing. Tell me honestly what you would have supported muslim youths as Indian citizens no not at all..Thats where the mentality lies..Islam teaches every thing has to be taken in broader mind of view….
As you mentioned Ramajanmabhoomi I will ask you one thing tell me frankly irrespective of religion..If your grand father purchased ur house just before three hundred years It was owned by some other person..All of the sudden that person,s grand son appears in front of ur house now after 800 years and says that by the belief system I am going to occupy this land and I will demolish it..Even judicial system supports this..Will you agree that?
OK If you agree judicial system following is taken thru Minority as models October2 2010 the Whole India kept silence just to respect our Indian judiciary. Not only that you observe in the South India almost every month one or other rally will be there from past 5Years but still now no complaints. For your information most of them are by Minority communities. Thats what From all ur posts U are justifying that whatever the wrong whoever committed just bcos of another persons wrong.
Leave about orthodox elements there As an Indian I travelled in India, Kolkatta, Uttar Pradesh and Maharashtra Every where U can mark so many places where not only Muslims there are other Hindu brothers Poor families they even suffer due to political motive group blaming. Most of the people are not having three times efficient meal to continue their family. Whether Ur studies say that they also followed orthodox elements or what?. No I feel pity for that bcos My heart cries for each human soul.
From all your above posts I understood one thing – more than solving the society,s problems as a Citizen U are trying to solve it as Two different communities. Just for the sake of ur prejudiced mindset I agree that whatever the Muslim youth,s involving in Terror activities are wrong U are having guts to confess that Whatever happened in Babri or Gujarat is wrong…No You will not..
You will come up with another issue to divert the topic…(Hopefully If I am not wrong)

Raghavendra Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Mr Amjad Khan

many many thanks for replying.

i am not a lawyer for Aseemanand or his friends. we will soon know in courts what crime he and his friends have committed , we will have to wait till courts pronounce their judgements.
you may remember after SIMI was banned hundreds ofindian muslim youhts have gone underground and it is quite possible that they have fled india. yesterday you asked me if i have personally seen any muslim youth who said to have got training in paksitan?
i wish to ask you the same thing? have you personally met Aseemanand and his friends when you talk about other type of terrorism? if reports about muslims youths traine in pakistan was media report then the same aplies for aseemanand also.
some do ask quite validly that when afzal guru does not confess with so much evidence against him , azmal kasab does not confess with so much evidence? how come only people like aseemanand confess?
you wish to say that just because it has been almost 500 years since Babar built masjid there that it should be allowd to stay despite Hindus believing that it is Bhagwan Ramachandra’s birth place? do you suggest that a henious crime such as that should be pardoned just because it has been almost 5 centuries?you wish to say that indian judiciary is helping people who break law in this case?
as far as your comments on Ramjanmabhoomi verdict you mean to say that tresspassers should be allowed ownership of property if they build their own structure by demolishing existing one? one thing is clear from court verdict under no condition that whole land will ever go to muslims. at best they can have 1/3 of land and never more than that. they can take it or reject it.
when ever i give you instances of aggressive behaviour of muslims you quote me from your religion.
i feel you should advise noble things of your religion to people like them and bring them back as normal citizens rather than advising people like me.
one undeniable trut is intolerance among muslims about IDOL worship or BUT PARASTI
which has been the cause for so many tensions.
how such a sensitive confession is leaked to media?
as far as poverty in hindus you mentioned in many states that is due to unequal growth of income, feudal stricture of rural life and more so with bad state of agriculture. i never mentioned orthodoxy alone as the cause for muslim poverty so dont misquote me amzad.

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Reply 4:
Brother Mr.Raghavendra,
As expected you didnt answer My straight forward questions on my last post.Again more than that as expected you flipped your blame game with the previous reply (Reply 2) and confusing whoever reading it.

[Point 1 : For your quote "i am not a lawyer for Aseemanand or his friends. we will soon know in courts what crime he and his friends have committed , we will have to wait till courts pronounce their judgements."
My Reply: Neither myself I never told I am supporting anybody without prior knowledge. Either Aseemananda or Afzal Guru god only knows who is the real culprit is?. This point I clarified in my first post itself. Atlast happy you also realised by your own words by expressing the same point of view. The same theory applies to SIMI also.]

[Point 2 : For your quote "you wish to say that just because it has been almost 500 years since Babar built masjid there that it should be allowd to stay despite Hindus believing that it is Bhagwan Ramachandra’s birth place? do you suggest that a henious crime such as that should be pardoned just because it has been almost 5 centuries?you wish to say that indian judiciary is helping people who break law in this case?"
My Reply : The archaeologists reported evidence of a large 10th century structure similar to a Hindu temple having pre-existed the Babri Masjid - 2003. And to be frank the ASI itself admitted that at that time the Temple belonged to saivites culture. So here as per your theory whether Babur demolished the (saivite/Ram) Temple constructed the mosque over it or Whether it is Vishnu or Shri Ram Temple it got destroyed? even the historians are having contradictory views about this. Forget about this..Let Me assume that Babur had destroyed the Shri Ram Temple at that site then you have to look about what the Temples existance in India in a Vedic context.
"Authentic, that is, true proof of qualities of Almighty God is only available in four Vedas wherein it is stated in Yajurveda mantra 32/3 that "na tasya pratima asti" means there is no shape or statue of Almighty God He being omnipresent and in mantra 31/2, it is stated that only one God is there who creates, nurses and destroys the universe and after destroying again creates and so on. Thus at that time the necessity of temple was not deemed fit.

God needs no assistance. Upnishads says 'tad srishta tadnu pravisht' means God created universe and entered therein. So he is everywhere and omnipresent. To realize God, chapter 7 of Yajurveda and other three Vedas clearly says that yajna, study of Vedas & holy books and especially ashtang yoga practice is required in family while discharging the duties. For this very purpose a real spiritual master, that is, philosopher of four Vedas & ashtang yoga (practically) is basically required. During this materialistic period this traditional task has been ear marked tough by mostly saints and public under influence of so called saints. For example, Tulsi says in Ramayana "dwij shruti bechak" i.e., present gurus have sold Vedas, means they never study Vedas and know nothing about Vedas and yoga. In next says "Shruti birodh rat sab nar nari" means man, woman and their children have taken bold step against the Vedas.

There are so many chopayees (couplets) in every kand of Ramayan giving knowledge of Vedas and yoga, but it is heart broken shock to our traditional culture of Vedas that mostly the present saints or katha vachaks avoid its explanation to the public for one or the other reason.

You see if there is no sun then there is no light. This is fundamental law. Similarly if there is no knowledge of Vedas, there will be no wisdom about matter, soul, almighty God and difference between the qualities of said true matters.

Up to the time of Mahabharat there was no temple. Thereafter the knowledge of Vedas decreased and between two to three thousands years the temple has been made. It is also true that Vedas knowledge is also available in Valmiki Ramayan, which is the first holy book on the earth written before one crore eighty lakhs years ago. Secondly Mahabharat and Bhagwad Geeta (an extract of Bhisham Parva of Mahabharat) thereof, 6 shashtras, upnishads and other holy books related to Vedas, like Shatpath Brahmin Granth etc. But problem is this that their description, comments and explanation has been based mostly on sects or on self-made views of some of the present saints whereas the said books written by ancient rishis (and not by saints because at that time there were only rishis, munis and Ashtang yogis available who were philosophers of Vedas and no other holy books of present time were written) are totally based on Vedas and not based on present sects.

So the reason of the existence temples is only due to the decrease in knowledge of Vedas for the last about three thousands years because before this period there was no temple i.e., since the time of creation that is for more than one Arab and 96 crore years. Temple provision is only in the sects and not in the Vedas and above said holy books."
From the above points very much clear that For Muslims Ayodhya doesnt hold any importance but for making it looks like important to the Hindu culture you cannot deny your own vedas what it preaches about temples..I will come to this point at the end of this conversation....]

[Point 3 : when ever i give you instances of aggressive behaviour of muslims you quote me from your religion.
i feel you should advise noble things of your religion to people like them and bring them back as normal citizens rather than advising people like me.
one undeniable trut is intolerance among muslims about IDOL worship or BUT PARASTI
which has been the cause for so many tensions.
how such a sensitive confession is leaked to media?
My Reply : First of all your understanding about the Islam itself wrong. Because God says in the Quran that I sent this epic for whole mankind Refer following verses in the Quran {The Noble Quran, 49:13,The Noble Quran, 2:161,The Noble Quran, 64:2-4,The Noble Quran, 2:164,The Noble Quran, 2:213,The Noble Quran, 2:221,The Noble Quran, 35:45,The Noble Quran, 4:174,The Noble Quran, 7:26,The Noble Quran, 7:27,The Noble Quran, 7:31,The Noble Quran, 7:35,The Noble Quran, 36:60,The Noble Quran, 17:9,The Noble Quran, 17:82,The Noble Quran, 17:88,The Noble Quran, 17:89,The Noble Quran, 18:54,The Noble Quran, 21:106,The Noble Quran, 27:76,The Noble Quran, 61:6,The Noble Quran, 25:1,The Noble Quran, 21:107,The Noble Quran, 38:87,The Noble Quran,12:104,The Noble Quran, 6:90,The Noble Quran, 81:27,The Noble Quran 3:110,The Noble Quran, 7:26,The Noble Quran, 7:27,The Noble Quran, 7:31,The Noble Quran, 7:35,The Noble Quran, 36:60} Out of this the noble verses I can quote here is as follows:
1)"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"
2)"We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all creatures. (The Noble Quran, 21:107)"
3)"Verily this is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds: (The Noble Quran, 81:27)"..You can refer all other verses in Quran about the message which sent very clear to Mankind. So I consider you as a Mankind and told that what exactly the Islam Teaches?...
Religious Tolerance: Then coming to your point of Religious Tolerance What exactly the Quran states about this topic:
Noble Quran 109:1 Say: O unbelievers!
Noble Quran 109:2 I do not serve that which you serve,
Noble Quran 109:3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
Noble Quran 109:4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
Noble Quran 109:5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
Noble Quran 109:6 "You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion."
Noble Quran 2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
Noble Quran 2:109 Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could turn you back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from themselves, (even) after the truth has become manifest to them; but pardon and forgive, so that Allah should bring about His command; surely Allah has power over all things.
Noble Quran 2:256 There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Noble Quran 5:69 Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good -- they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.
Noble Quran 18:29 And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a fire, the curtains of which shall encompass them about; and if they cry for water, they shall be given water like molten brass which will scald their faces; evil the drink and ill the resting-place. If you observe above all the verses Allah himsef says that there is "no compulsion in the religion" on any mankind of the world. This tolerance includes Idol worship also. Until you do your own soul searching what about you are following is true or not? there is no compulsion on anybody in this world. In other words I can tell you what is good sure I cannot order you Do this is what good!!!. While coming to the point of Idol worship what exactly Veda,s teaches us?
All the Hindus that I have met practice Idol worship in some or the other way. Was seeking for knowledge and came across few versus of the Vedas that clearly denies idol worship:
“Ekam evadvitiyam”
“He is One only without a second.”
[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]1
2. “Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah.”
“Of Him there are neither parents nor lord.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]2
3. “Na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no likeness of Him.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]3
4. The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:
“Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam.”
“His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye.”
[Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]4
1. “na tasya pratima asti”
“There is no image of Him.”
[Yajurveda 32:3]5
2. “shudhama poapvidham”
“He is bodyless and pure.”
[Yajurveda 40:8]6
3. “Andhatama pravishanti ye asambhuti mupaste”
“They enter darkness, those who worship the natural elements” (Air, Water, Fire, etc.). “They sink
deeper in darkness, those who worship sambhuti.”
[Yajurveda 40:9]7
4. Sambhuti means created things, for example table, chair, idol, etc.
3. “Ma cid anyad vi sansata sakhayo ma rishanyata”
“O friends, do not worship anybody but Him, the Divine One. Praise Him alone.”
[Rigveda 8:1:1]10
4. “Devasya samituk parishtutih”
“Verily, great is the glory of the Divine Creator.”
[Rigveda 5:1:81]11
“Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.”
[Bhagavad Gita 7:20]
Brahma Sutra of Hinduism:
The Brahma Sutra of Hinduism is:
“Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan”
“There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit.”
0[Rigveda Samhita vol. 9, pages 2810 and 2811 by Swami Satya Prakash Sarasvati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]
11[Rigveda Samhita vol. 6, pages 1802 and 1803 by Swami Satya Prakash Saraswati and Satyakam Vidyalankar]..Hope as a HIndu you have to follow the Vedas..or you are going to deny that also.]

[Point3: as far as poverty in hindus you mentioned in many states that is due to unequal growth of income, feudal stricture of rural life and more so with bad state of agriculture. i never mentioned orthodoxy alone as the cause for muslim poverty so dont misquote me amzad.
My Reply: I am not misquoting you but extracting the answers from your own heart..see You agreed that I never mentioned orthodoxy alone as the cause for Muslim poverty..So as per this theory Orthdoxy or Religious beliefs never makes a person poor or Rich. It is just a hypothetic propoganda. Hope you understood what is My point of view.]

[Conclusion : From above all points I am making you clear that Ayodhya is not a proven place yet as Shri Rama,s birth place. Again if you take some shcolorship work done related to the Indian history that gives us the message like this:
"Sangh Parivar said that Ramar temple which was built by King Vikramaditya was demolished by Babar in the year 1528 A.D. Vikramaditya is not a person’s name. It is a common name like Pandya, Chozha, Kakatiya or Saluvahana. Guptha Kings are commonly known as Vikramaditya. The period of Guptha dynasty in Uttar Pradesh is from 300 A.D. to 1100 A.D. B.B. Lal, the then President of Archaelogical Society Of India mentioned that there was no temple (even a building ) there in Ayodhya which is published in the Magazine THE WEEK dated 25.02.1990. S.S. Iyer has written a book on ‘Indian temples, Archeology and Historical points’. We can come to know that there were five temples built by Vikramaditya. Among those five, Ayodhya was not mentioned in those list.
One more strong evidence is Rama was not considered as a God till 11th Century. The book ‘Amar Kosha’ written by Amar Sinha in 6th Century A.D. talks about the Gods till that century. There was no line mentioned about Rama in that list. Lakshmi Dhar, one of the guys researched about the pilgrimages in India till 11th Century. Ayodhya was not in the list given by him.

Mr. Sarvapalli Gopal, who was a well known research scholar and the son of Dr. S. Radhakrishnan, India’s first Vice President, has agreed that there were no temple for Ram till 1750 A.D. in any part of India. All the temples for Ram are belonging to 18th Century. If these words from the research scholar are well researched and published in one of his notorious essays, then How come Babar can demolish Ram temple in 16th Century?"
Even If you deny this Research Your own Vedas teaches that There is neither Idol worship nor Temple to worship.
Even If you deny the Vedas I come to the beautiful verses of Valmiki Ramayana:
Here the Valmiki speaks about Shri Rama as follows -
sarva shaastra artha tattvaj~no smR^itimaan pratibhaanavaan |
sarvaloka priyaH saadhuH adiinaaatmaa vicakSaNaH || 1-1-15
"He is the knower of the meaning and essence of all the scriptures, excellent at memory thus brilliant, and an esteemed one in all the worlds, gentle, level-headed and clear-headed in discriminating and distinguishing... [1-1-15]
So as the Shri Rama,s follower you have to have a ample knowledge of vedas and following about it….Otherwise the pure HIndu is derived by his knowledge about Vedas and itihaasa. Not by following ongoing trash media.
So My Brother Here My point is clear that “Allah never stopped me to learn Ramayana or Veda,s to understand what it teaches to Mankind. The same from others I expect. Even If you are a True follower of Shri Ram You have to adapt what the Veda Teaches otherwise in that sense the above points should lead you to your own soul searching. The problem in India is that More than “Majority of Minority” learning their epic,s misinterpretation, The Majority doesnt what their epic Interprets?”. Hope you understood my point of View.]
http://- Guju

VINOD SHARMA IS NEW AVTAR OF VIR SINGHVI. HE ( VIR ) IS IN HIDING AND HIS PLACE IS TAKEN OVER BY THIS MOST PATHETIC PERSON.
IF FOUR TO FIVE PEOPLE FROM HINDU COMMUNITY ARE CAUGHT FOR TERROR ACTIVITES ( NOT PROVEN BY THE COURT YET ) YOU CAN’T BRUSH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF OVER 750 MILLION AS TERRORIST.
THIS PATHETIC PERSON IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT HINDU TERROR AND CALLING FOR J.P.C. WHILE THE COUNTRY IS LOOTED DAY IN DAY OUT BY HIS MASTERS IN DELHI. THE REAL THREAT DON’T COME FROM HINDU TERROR BUT JOURNALISTS TERROR FROM PEOPLE LIKE BHARKHA DUTT – VIR SINGHVI – VINOD SHARMA – PRANAB ROY WHO WANTS TO FORCE ” FAKE DYNASTY RULE ” OVER INDIA FOR NEXT 60-yrs.
THE REAL THREAT COMES FROM THIS GHADHARS WHO WANTS TO SEE INDIA DISTROYED BY FOREIGNER AND HER SELECTED CHAMCHAS.
IT IS THIS JOURNALISTS WHO SHOULD BE PUT BEHIND BARS WITH LOOTER OF INDIA THEY SUPPORT, DAY IN, DAY OUT.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
@Guju
If you are so fond of abusing people without reading what they write, why don’t you stand before a mirror and do it. Quite clearly, God hasn’t given you brains.

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vikram Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
God has given Guju brains to make a point which is not digested by you, i wonder what is your attitude,you just cannot tolerate a counteropinion

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji

Sir
It does not behove of you to speak and write this language. It does not reflect the maturity of a seasoned journalist. While I do not support in any way the uncivilized language of any blogger, but that I would call it a naivety on their part. to speak/write in a controversial way. But you are more experienced and must be knowing how to react in a graceful way even in difficult situations.
I hope you take it in a positive way.
BNA

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ANIL

I saw Tehelka lady speaking on Bikram’s program on NDTV. It occurred to me I was looking at another Maduri Gupta in the making. Why do you need JPC on that when they are all around you. Soon they will form their own “JPC” to identify you for putting such question in public.

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Deepak

People like Vinod Sharma have always been present in India because of which country have been ruled by foreigners for centuries. Now they are helping Ghandi parivar to rule and get their bits by making partnership with them. Do you think Sharma ji that Idiots like swami Aseemanand would go for policies like bomb for bomb if government is efficient enough to take control of it. I think Indian reporting of news needs a JCP Probe as well. Why you people don’t demand for tougher laws, against terrorism, corruption. Please for once in life stop playing games and think of country first.

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ramesh

VINOD SHARMA,THIS COUNTRY WAS SLAVE FOR NEARLY 1000YEARS.MUSLIMS WHO CAME AND ATTACKED ARYAVRAT ,WERE NOT SO LARGE ,THAT THEY COULD HAVE WON AND RULED WITHOUT TRAITORS.
WRITER LIKE YOU ARE EXAMPLE OF HINDU COWARDICE.
CARRY ON ,AT LEAST YOU ARE TALKING OF ONE JPC.

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http://www.pbks.info jay

dea friends as a hindu and a poor hindu. i never want muslims or hindus live under hindu religios rule . but sure their should be justice to hindus and muslims and chrsitians and people dont believe in reliigon and poor and rich and famers, the question is who can deliver that. congress continued to promise this lie that they are for every one. some chrsitians and some muslims and some hindus and some farmours are success full. their are tribal chrstians they are poor and their are village muslims they are poor and their are village hindus they are poor. and their are hindus and muslims and christians who like to loot the poor . this should end. if bjp and rss want to address this issue and come up as a hindu i would support them. i think bjp has more hope or i would give bjp a chance than continue to keep hope congress which failed to address these issues in the past. i would say give a chance and see how bjp is dealing with issues like this. we are addressing some importent issues in indian history and this is good for hindus of india. we were never a part of creation of modern india and i think we should be a part of modern india as secular indians and others. india has more hindus than secualar ideology and hindu religion is wide if you start covering every caste and tribe then muslims and chrsitians and every thing will be covered in hinduism . if muslims and and chrsitians want special attention then they should think about deviding india and creating a new country by themself. i am not sgesting this at all. their is room for negotiating and hindus are always oppen mind people , by doing this some importent hindu people and muslim people may loose their power and power will go to the right people. if we address islamic people then we are good , they are indias big population and i would ask muslim that we care about your quran and we care about your allah and we care about your muhammed . as long as we care about your god alla and we respect your religion . what more you need . if insult your allah and if we insult your book and if we insult your muhammed then we dont care about you . but being a hindu let me tell you we respect your allah. we can see allah is supreme soul or or adidev or lord rama or . but we have some dislike or islamic fundamentalism and you have some dislike about our hindu fundamentalism , so why cant we sit and have dialogues. as long as we respect each other. our aim is not distroying your leaders, we dont target muhammed or alla .sure some followers fight each other it is normal for a society to fight . but we respect your religion than west or america or europe . and we can work togather , stay in india we really dont want you to go away from india . stay with india you will be who you are, and we respect for who you are, we dont want any more partition, .if you wish to go then that is your choice too we respect that too

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Mukesh

Once again boot-lickers on the prowl. Diverting the real issue about corruption in high, very-high places. Just doing the job that his masters at 10 Janpath want him to do – somehow divert peoples attention from Bofors, 2G, Adarsh, CWG………Otherwise why is he trying to confuse people between the demand for a JPC on corruption and now the JPC on terrorism…………..Laghe raho SharmaJi – keep on impressing the 2Gs (Soniaji and Rahulji….) and you will also have a Swiss account

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vikram

Assemanand,.Col purohit etc are a reactionary product of the terrorism which is Islamic in nature and
not being handled firmly by the government, added to all this is the appeasements for a particular
religion, “Muslims have the first right to the resources of the country” takes the cake

Hindus are basically peace loving people,people like aseemananda etc will not a place to hide from the public at large,forget the police if the provoking factor viz. Islamic terrorism is handled on a war footing with palpable results

Let vinod sharma not threaten us with a Beirut like scenario

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Madhwa

Where this travsvestite Vinod Sharma hiding when blast after blast killed Hindus? Where was this panties wearer hiding when 26/11 happened? Terror was not important then to justify a JPC probe? I am aghast at creatures like Vinod Sharma who should be under a gutter to be crawling out in the day and writing disgusting articles like these to divert attention from the scams of mega-porportions by his pay masters antit-national congress! Spit on him!

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gaurav

JPC is must and it should cover whole history which starts from 700AD when islam invades India.

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nirav

Mr Vinod,

Again hours of hardwork put in by you to deflect attention of the people from the cruelty and inhuman approach of UPA and congress…

Why dont you write on large scale inflation….ofcourse you get your onions directly from Gandhi kitchen where you cook all the stories.

And JPC???Hello…..you were a symbol of shame when you opposed JPC on 2G scam to please your masters…
Now JPC when CBI has leaked some information on some so called hindu organisations…

Name one hindu tried and sentenced by the court????
Same CBI reported SIMI and LET responsible for the blasts and now suddenly a U turn:)
But Pseudos like you will give bad name to indians and hindus across the world..Already PAk ISI(Read Rahul Gandhi) is shouting hindu terror and now you are giving them words….

What a shame that we all share the same air that you breathe in …
You are a complete disgrace to the land we call india….

I wonder what is the average age expectancy in the state where you live so we know how long traitors like you will be propagating your stink.

shame shame,

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ham

what nonsense you wrote hindus and RSS is main issue they are behind all bomb blast if a transperent investigation you can find out who is behind all bomb blast it kills innocent people police arrest muslims and media also publish beaseless news, this so called IM LET are RSS now it is crystel clear Swami Asseemand confesion

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Candor

Hindus have historically never attacked any religion but albeit are repeatedly attacked by other religions, sometime peaceful nature of Hindus or poor economic condition of the poor. Large no. of Hindus in South and North East have been converted to Christians by luring them economic benefit and free education. Congress govts. have remained silent on these conversions and never rolled out populous policies like free education and guaranteed employment to all to stop other religions taking benefits of poor economic condition of some Hindus.

One million Hindus were butchered by muslims while they were moving from Pakistna areas to Indian territories to snatch their belongings. Why had Congress agreed for partition when such a bloodshed was expected ?

On top muslims were allowed to live in Inda and now, situation has against polarized. Islam teaches barbaricism and muslims won’t stop from tirading guns against other religions. The cold blooded assassination of Punjab gvernor in Pakistan is evident. Muslims in India are also aided by Arab countries to pit against Hindus.

Congress never middled the permanent settlement between Hindus and muslims by separating their religious places but deliberately kept the situations floating for vote bank.

Congress is root cause of all the problems in India and should be kept out of power for 20-25 years for development and eradicating the various problems from the society.

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Vivek

The writer can’t contain it’s bias despite his best efforts. Pakistani liberals can be broadly compared with secular Indians the rabid fringe tends to dismiss as pseudo-secularists or secular fundamentalists. In India RSS and by association BJP is considered rabid fringe/fundamentalists. However Lalu/Mulayam, CPM, Congress etc. in association with much more religious/fundamentalist Muslim groups like AIML is considered secular. Until we can stop this double standard, we will keep fanning the revolt in the majority community. Just because Hindus have been tolerant and Muslims aggressors, we can’t expect majority to forsake self respect. We can’t ignore 100 times bigger/well funded and organized Minority terrorists as plain terrorists and never question the community supporting them and then take a few disgruntled individuals and call them Saffron terrorists and brand everyone who even met them a few times as terrorists. Our country will be doomed if Majority groups like RSS etc. lose all faith in Government and take the matters in their hands to respond to incessant terrorism and Government’s apathy to it for the Minority vote bank.

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ashish

Islam is a religion of hatred. It has more than 100 verses which prescribe violence against the disbelievers, polytheists etc. This knowledge of the destructive nature of Islam is a prerequisite to any argument related to religion, politics in India. Every riot in India(except Kandhamal) happens due to the destructive nature of Islamic theology and the Quran. For example, Kashmir was a Hindu Land before Muslims used ENCROACH,BREED,DOMINATE to take over. Marxists and so called intellectuals like Arundhati Roy fail to understand the reason for this situation in Kashmir and make nonsensical comments. Considering Islam a tolerant religion breaks down every terrorist act to a ‘Good People vs Bad People’ one, which is a bogus concept. So, even in the Ayodhya sense, the demolition of the Mosque was symbolic – symbolic of breaking the shackles of Islamic terrorism of the Baburs and Aurangazebs on Hindus. There is a lot of difference between Demolition of a ‘Holy Place of a tolerant religion’ and ‘Demolition of a symbol of Intolerance and Hatred’(Quran which is a hate filled book is recited in mosques so that makes the mosques fortresses of intolerance). So, even if no temple existed there, the demolition of the Mosque was a good thing, an act rather than being condemned as an act of religious intolerance needs to be celebrated as an act which takes us further on the road to religious tolerance.

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Vijay Kumar

@ Vinod Sharma,

It may be unfair to compare Simi and LeT with Abhnav Bharat and RSS. Reasons

a) Abhinav Bharat does not run terror training camps and is not an organisation which gets funds from the governement like the LeT. It does not plan to convert and kill everyone who does not belong to one religion.

In my view, if Abhinav Bharat is behind the blasts, its vision is wrong. The masterminds behind the blasts need to be punished as per the laws of the land

b) Unfair to compare the RSS with the LeT. In fact mischievious. The RSS is a body which has produced national leaders like Nanaji Deshmukh and Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

Compare this with the vision of the LeT products like Hafeez Saed and Zakir Hussain Lakhvi and you can see the difference.

Its vision may be called outdated as it spoke of Hindutva and you may disagree with it. And even I do. However you also have to acknowledge that it protected Hindus who had to flee Pakistan in 1947. I can quote the example of my grandfather who became a defacto member for that reason.

His own bitter experiences of being among the minority Hindus who had to leave their birthplace because of Jinnah’s defective vision could be his reason.

The RSS starts looking attractive to Hindus because of the Congress policy of Muslim appeasement. This happened right from the early seventies when the Jan Sangh seemed to be gaining in the upper hand through the Shah bano case to the present when Congress is unwilling to punish afzal Guru and Kasab.

It gains popularity with every attack by Pakistan based Islamic terrorists. And because of things like Muslims leaders talking about minority rights and Sharia all the time and identifying with the world problems of Muslims….

It is seen as a saviour when idiots like Antulay and Digvijay Singh start talking about a Hindu conspiracy behind Karkare killings and Burney writing a book that 26/11 is a RSS conspiracy.

So in my view, the RSS should course correct and remain a cultural organisation. In case some of its members have dirtied their hand in terror, they need to be punished.

But…

The real issue of Hindus and Muslims breaking the wall of suspician between them still remains.

And that can only be when all religions foolow a common civil code under the national flag…

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Mumtaz Mir Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Is RSS A Terrorist Organization?

By Ram Puniyani

02 June, 2005
Countercurrents.org

Terrorism has been witnessed as a horrific phenomenon, more so in the current times. What is terrorism itself is a matter of debate at one level and at another the definition of terrorism changes from person to person, group to group and country to country.

One does not know as to what criterion the US based Terrorism Research Center, the US think tank on this issue, has used but it has gone on to label RSS, the patriarch of Hindutva organizations, BJP, VHP, Bajarang dal etc., as a terrorist outfit. RSS shares this category with other organizations defamed in different parts of the World as terrorists like Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Hamas etc. Sangh’s (RSS progeny) own definition and understanding of terrorists has been summed up by RSS pracharak
(propagator) and current Gujarat Chief Minister, Narendra Modi in the sentence, “All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims!” How come a Muslim baiter organization itself has been so labeled!

It seems from amongst the various definitions floating around about terrorism, the one stating, killing of innocent persons for political goals, seems to be the one followed by this center. It goes without saying that in this definition generally states are not included. Lately some states have been called as terrorist states and BJP had been urging upon US to declare Pakistan as a terrorist state. Some states have been listed as terrorists by US itself. We will not go on to discuss the violence of the state and its
goals, which is quite a complex phenomenon. We will also not touch upon the bias exercised by those defining terrorism. In a limited way we follow the definition, killing of innocents for political goals, we will try to see whether the assessment of US based center is true.

It is important to concede here that terrorism emerges from ideology of groups with specific goals. It is also important to realize that all those who manufacture this goal and ideology, which leads to violence are terrorists or rather they are the real ones’. And if the blame is to be apportioned, they
should be held more responsible before the finger is pointed to those who use sword, bullets or AK 47 or who pilot the planes to ram into WTC or the like.

No doubt the RSS pracharks will never even go to pick up arms, to kill anybody personally. Even in RSS shakhas training is given only for wielding lathis, batons. Of course keeping with times RSS progeny Bajarang dal and Durga vahini have begun to give training in the use of firearms and VHP is distributing knives, disguised as trishuls in thousands, but in RSS shakhas these are no no. Apart from the lathi wielding the other part of the training is bauddhik (intellectual). This training is based on the spread of hatred for minorities, hatred for secular and democratic values. It goes on to say that in this nation of Hindus, others, Muslims and Christians are aliens, also that Communists, Muslims and Christians are internal threat to Hindu nation.

The venom of hate is tailor made for each community. Muslims are equated to yavan snakes. Prof Bipan Chandra narrates his experience in listening to the shakha training. While on a morning walk he overheard the young boys attending the shakha being told that Muslims are like snakes. It is easier to kill a young snake rather than the grown up one. The message of this ‘intellectual’ exercise is too clear. The inspiration and methods of Hate are picked up from the Nazi Germany. RSS ideologue Golwalkar articulated it, ” German race pride has now become topic of the day. To keep up the purity of nation and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of Semitic races-the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-neigh impossible it is for races and cultures having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by.” (M.S. Golwalkar, We or Our Nationhood defined, Nagpur 1938 p.27).

One wondered whether RSS really means it. But to one’s utter shock one was told by a senior RSS ideologue that if a person of the stature of Gandhi could not solve the ‘Muslim problem’, what can the present small genre of pseudo secularists achieve! As per him (and apparently as per RSS) there is a single solution to this problem, what one knows as the “Final Solution”! This hate ideology, which is drilled in the heads of young recruits is the base on which the foundation of communal violence comes up. The RSS ideology’s outcome first got manifested in Godse’s murdering of Gandhi. Of course RSS never owned the fact that Godse was trained by RSS and was RSS pracharak before he decided to join Hindu Mahasabha. His brother Gopal Godse maintained in different interviews that they (his brother Nathuram and he himself) had never left RSS. Most of the inquiry commission reports on the communal violence (Justice Reddy, Vithayathil, Venugopal, Madon and others) have shown irrefutably that their has been a role of some organization affiliated to or floated by a pracharak of RSS, which has played crucial role in the violence.

The strategy is very clear, RSS trains the volunteers who carry on the RSS work by joining or floating different organizations. The advantage of this strategy is that the blame of riots can never come directly on the RSS.

One recalls that after the defeat in 1937 elections, Muslim Leagues and Hindu Mahsabha stepped up their Hate other campaigns as they could not win the elections on the appeal of their religion. RSS also stepped up its hate other campaign. These poisonous seeds of hatred were dormant and are bearing the poisonous fruits more so after the decade of 1980. This hate other ideology passes through different conveyor belts and its final stop is that where the poor gullible sections take up arms, intoxicated by the opium of hate ideology which is laced in the language of religion for desired effect.

Every terrorist outfit has its own agenda. Al Qaeda was trained by CIA via Pakistan to throw away the Socialist Russia’s occupation of Afghanistan. LTTE is a reaction the Sinahala domination of Tamils, Khalistainis were the expression of deeper dissatisfaction of Sikh masses on economic and ethnic grounds, ULFA again is the expression ethnic problem handled in an insensitive way and so on and so forth. RSS and Muslim League in pre-partition times were the expression of the fears of feudal elements that their norms and values are under threat in the wake of modern education, industrialization and the values of Liberty, Equality and fraternity becoming the major ideology of the struggling masses. The same fear, existential anxiety, of another middle classes has got crystallized in the politics of RSS. And this is the coming up of dalits and women demanding social and gender justice some themselves. Whatever is the deeper societal agenda, RSS methods and mechanisms of action do give rise to the VHPs, Bajarang dals and Durga Vahinis. It is probably this deeper understanding of the dynamics of RSS functioning which must have prompted the research center to label it as a terrorist organization.

RSS training is on twin tracks. One is the physical one, games and all that. The second is the bauddhik one. It is the latter which motivates its progeny to incite people to take up arms and kill the ‘other’, the ‘enemy’ in the ruthless fashion. The anatomy of a riot, violence, is very interesting and complex both at the same time. How the average dalit, adivasi, worker with empty stomach and non existent future is mobilized as the foot soldier of RSS agenda, is something social scientists have to explain. RSS pracharak may be at the same time sitting and giving a quiet discourse on Hindu values, Hindu rashtra while RSS ideology will grip the section of population to unleash violence, to kill the innocents. It does achieve the political goal of consolidation of section of Hindus behind RSS; it does make them come back to power or strengthen its power. The definition with which we began was killing of innocents for power or political agenda is terrorism. And that’s precisely what RSS work does.

The only point of overt confusion some times can be that unlike Osama, or the AK 47 weilding terrorist in parts of the World, RSS volunteer will appear to be the apostle of quietness. And this is the wiliest and cleverest part of RSS operation. To achieve its goal, to get the minorities beaten and killed without taking up the arms oneself. The violence is leased out by clever social and psychological manipulation. In that sense AK 47 may miss the target but a mind poisoned and initiated by Hate ideology propagated by RSS will come out as violence some time or the other, here or there, it’s just a question of time. Culture, the cloak of this organization is the most subtly disguised cover for the terrorist goals of this organization. This terrorist outfit kills many birds in a single stone, the birds being minorities and weaker sections of society. But of course there will be much noise that name of RSS should be taken off from the list of this research center. In case of RSS, this outfits’ culture is the terror for large sections of minorities and weaker sections of society in India.

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Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:20 pm
@Vijay Kumar,

Well said. I totally agree with you. They get their votes mainly because of minority pleasing (not welfare) policy of Congress. Bring on uniform civil code.

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manujsk

This is not Vinod Sharma. I think Vir Sanghvi who has been booted out by the readers is ghost writing. Vinod Sharma is a “secular” person And he has got a certificate from Diggi Raja to prove that. By the way, when are a thord of the Rajya Sabha members moving out? I heard Vinod’s name was misspelt as Vir.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@manujsk
Are you on drugs my dear weird name? You need detoxification.

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manujsk Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
You really seem to be quite confounded by my name The forum seems to think that its you who needs detox. And I won’t mind a “learned” company. Am I getting on your nerves? I’m lovin it!

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
@manujsk
I am convinced that you need to see a shrink. I keep people like you at respectable distance.

Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 12:38 am
Sharmaji,
Isn’t Rahul Gandhi dating a girl from columbia (famous for drug trade)?

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usman chaudhry

Well summed.

@Indians
What means are practiced to engage with Maoist back militancy. State with in a state is another issue to add a shade in the meaning of terrorism. As on this side, taliban backed groups were tackled with military action.

Usman
Pakistan

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 2:43 am
@ Vinod;
did you read TOI interview of Deoband head? He is praising Modi. where it leaves you and people of your kind? diggy etc. Fact is that congress is the biggest communal party. Followed by SP and RJD, LJk( they carried Osama look alike for election campaign) and say that BJP is communal.
what will happen to your job as minion of Congress propaganda campaign?

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 2:51 am
Hey Usman;
You sounds a serious chap. Military action is not the answer for maoism. it is development, where people should have stake in progress for themselves and their posterity. Violence and anarchy will not take these dispossed people anywhere. it is their desire to be part of progress, materially and educationally, that will convince them. In context of Taliban and maoists, civil society will have to convince them that progress is the key for their problems.

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jay Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:04 am
what made hindus distroy one mosque in india . why did mahathma gandi and patel distroyed the moque in place of somanath temple. because some eliments of islam has been terrorist through out the history. hindus has been protecting and defending for 1000 years. in this 1000 year old history we never took fight against islam. we have never mass murdered muslims in india even our kings did not kill one mulim or did not distroy one temple. this is praise worthy situation. in our history we did not behave like hitler( in hitlers case jews did nothing towords germany) it was just eropean cultural and ego issue of christianity. in india we would never become like hitler despite the fact that we were humiliated and bullied by foriegn religion. even now we dont disruspect other religion or we dont attack other religios faith. we are still defending ourself from christian attack on our gods. they say that your gods cannot grand salvation and their god is the only one can grand salvation . we still put up with their bullyism. minority bully and first off all we let them bully . sure here and their we have fight. but christians are good in excerbating situation and writing up big big stories. we dont do what pakistan do to chrsitians or egyption do to chrsitians we dont kill pasters and nuns so that they dont convert hindus. we dont bomb churches and kill 1000 s of chrtistians. we have chrsitian terror in 5 states of india . but we dont consider all chrsitians in india as a terrorist. sure they must find a terror eliment in hinduism to bash hinduism that they have been doing for 1000 years. let us see prospective . it is good our enemies of hindus address this issues

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Hi Pankaj

Serious issues require seriousness and i have reason to believe Indo-Pak issues require serious discussions.

I nod with your counter reasoning. So, then what other means are being used. Like over here government is pushing political agencies and locals to step forward and engage with table talks to resolve issues. Parallel to that military is also engaged targeting militant hideouts and encouraging locals to defend by using arms. Is the government on your side adopting some means because it is hard to think if there is any self realization amongst the outlaws to walk the ways of peace and prosperity unless demands are met. So my question is how is politcal solution working on your end?

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 3:24 am
Thanks Usman;
At least I could find a person from beyond the border, who is ready to discuss things in a serious manner. I had long e mail exchanges with senior journalists from pakistan and then, 26/11 happened and we lost track.
Unfortunately, next I met with Mumtaz, Azhar, sam this and Sam that and half baked nationalists all the time from beyond border.
I would like to discuss things in detail with you, but it is not possible at this forum.
Lots of injustices have been heaped on our dispossed people, all these decades, no doubt about it and when they take up arms against tyranny, that is understandable. But, this will not take them, anywhere. I feel more kinship with these tribals than our city dwellers, who are literate but really , most of them, mean, selfish people, who, using their empowerment by education, have become exploiters themselves.
People like Edhi, is the answer, not the venal, corrupt politicians of our two countries. Talibans and Maoists are children of our nations, they are to be shown right path of progress, not extermination, But, in the mean time, if they become destructive , of extreme nature, then, for greater good, they have to be contained.
I personally know, tribals and schedule caste people, who were empowered educationally and are as good as any city dweller, some time better than them.
I would like to continue this thread, but time and space of this blog are not permitting me.
As an aside, have you read Manto and Prem chand? if not, read them. Their writing transgress boundry of time. This will make you more sensitive to humanity.

usman chaudhry Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Pankaj

Very wisely composed. Indeed, love and humanity conquers all and having that heart and mind (like Edhi or Mother Teresa) is a solution. But this is easy said then done.

Take your piece of word and would surely go through Manto ka afsaanay and Prem Chand.
Glad to be in exchange of views with you. I’m graduate of computer sciences and software engineer by profession. What noble profession do you belong to?

Warmest of Regards,
Usman

Vinay Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
@Usman,
Pakistan has only one policy. Zero tolerance. That makes the life easier. Here, we have two (supposed to be complementing, but most of the time contradicting) policies. One, strict military action. Another, humanitarian angle. Government tries to please both policy advocates (knowing one is a hindrance to other). At the end, it lands up with no progression. Every major issue (be Kashmir or Naxalism), we have to deal with these two conflicting policies. HR activists overtake stern decision takers, in most of the cases. People like Chidambaram (home minister, who wants Naxals to be dealt firmly) will be countered by softies like Digvijay Singh, Mani Shankar Iyer and Ms Arundhati Roy. Government cannot yield to separatists (in Kashmir) or naxalites, as common people in India will turn against them. Government cannot use military force, HR people will make huge media cry. You know the result. Some people may call this inaction as indecisiveness, people like Rajiv would say cowardice. End of the day, nothing moves. That is the only reality.

Mother Teresa? I suppose we are not speaking of ideal cases, only achievable targets People prefer to give a Nobel and alienate them (with exceptions like Obama), than follow them. In India, we go one step further. We make such people God and take them even far from humanity.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
I guess then HR should go one step further to act on govs part and build bridges. Something in our terms we call straightening the spaghetti bowl. Complex issue.
Anyway, thank you for your synop.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
@ Usman
@Vinay
Thanks Usman for your kind words. I am a physician by profession and have worked all over the world, including couple of big hospitals in Delhi. I hope that saying” It is the darkest just before the dawn” will come true, in case of our two countries, affected by two scourages of terrorism and Corruption. I have still faith in humanity and will just pray that newer generation should be more selfless and have the capacity for introspection and thinking. Unfortunately, reverse is happening.
Vinayji, I remember, exploitation of bastar tribals by junior staff of the developmental agencies, like PWD, Irrigation, forest, police etc. including making young tribal girls pregnant and then leaving them in lurch. Their means of earning(forest produce etc) snatched away from them, without developing their skills for alternative occupation, highhandedness when dealing with them and behaving more like a ruler than public servant. Any person will react / revolt against such situation. what is needed is commited teachers of yore, honest public servants and a feeling of service. The pleasure of changing even one life in a meaningful way, gives immense satisfaction. let us develop these people, skill wise first, then one may be able to rationalize with them, about need of mega developmental projects which will displace them. But, no body has that much time or foresight, patience to do things in a systematic way and I know, that through this post, I am just venting my frustration and anger.

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Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:10 pm
@Pankaj
I do condemn the exploitation of tribals by government officials. But I suppose, you agree “Dantewada” cannot be justified citing the above. Today’s commercial world cannot produce dedicated teachers, doctors or any officials to work in tribal areas. To be honest, my concern itself is armchair. But HR people who are supposed to be representing tribals are also no better.

Usman, there is a difficulty in putting your ideas into practise. HR activists like Arundhati Roy are not ready to act on behalf of government, instead treat government itself as a villain. That is the problem. There are people who find her intentions genuine. There are also others who feel, she does it mainly for media coverage.
It is unfortunate on the tribals part. On one side they have corrupt and dishonest officials, the other side has media hungry activists. Difficult to gain justice.
Vijay Kumar

@ Usman,

Welcome back ! How are things in Pakistan? India Today– a popular newsmagazine out here– just carried a cover issue that Pakistan is at the final brink of disaster. Hope things are fine with you personally

Usman, secularism is a funny thing. One has to be even handed with all communities so that one religious sect does not feel discriminated against. Otherwise it leads to repurcussions.

Unfortunately our current governmnet has been caught in a huge kickbacks scandal. As you know Zardari took huge kickbacks in the submarine purchase from France. In India, some ministers have been taking bigger stuff from telecom giants. So the current government is using all sort of diversionary tactics to deflect from the real issues.

As you know india and Pakistan have produced fantastic spinners like Mushtaq, Qadir, Kumble and Harbhajan.

AND NOW WE HAVE FANTASTIC SPIN DOCTORS AND BOWLERS WHO WILL TURN THE ATTENTION FROM LOOT BY POLITICIANS !!

Anyway khuda hafiz !

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
A note to RSS.

There are milions of RSS volunteers, few of them I have known, who are only motivated by service and love to the country. RSS is a nationalist, voluntary organization and not a religious organization.
Many of its members are atheists or non-practicing Hindus.

It has among its members a few bad apples or attracts a few bad apples who may beleive in retaliation or eye for an eye. No responsible social organization in a modern state can be seen to harbour a few bad elements. If there are a few among RSS who are involved in any terrorist or violent act in any part of the country, RSS leadership should be the first to expel them from the organization. They should do that for the millions of self-less RSS volunteers, many of them men of high character and probity.

If RSS fails to do so, the few bad apples will denigrate the organization and bring disrepute to it.
The same applies to BJP in its relations with RSS.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 12:35 am
Amen to that.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,

I am sorry if you feel if I have insulted you. That was never my intention. In fact if you would have noticed I have never used foul language on this blog, even when I was called a “chootiya” and what not by Azhar Hussain. I only replied to him by calling him Ajju BHaiya…

Yes in the interest of healthy blogging I think it is always good to challenege the hypothesis of one and all so that the truth emerges. Have I ever said anything personal to you? Never…

In fact I have always said that this is one of the free blog sites where the majority of opinion posters go against the main blogger who seems to be enjoying himself for flowing against the current, even marching to his own drumbeats.

Yes. If I have to be here I would only do so in case there was freedom of opinion. And in this case I do feel that the serious issue of political corruption is being sidelined by comparing one party’s corruption with that of another.

Vinod Ji, despite being the second fastest growing economy in the world, we still have farmers who commit suicide and many a criminal who escapes because the politcal masters back him or the police is corrupt. Don’t you think that we need to set examples by giving exemplary punishments to
politicans who plunder, journos who fabricate news for money, thieves who have put the nation’s money into Swiss banks and on the ground level– the policeman who takes a few thousand rupees to release murderers?

C’mon, I feel hurt that you have questioned my motives by saying that “You are a loser who tries to come across as victorious by raking up mud and filth. Henceforth you are off my list of those to whom I respond. You don’t argue. You insult… ”

That was never was my intention…

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@Vijay Kumar
I feel insulted because by impute motives to what I write— that I want to be Rajya Sabha member and all. Had you known me personally, you would have never made that allegation. More ironic than your charge against me was the indulgence you showed to a pro-BJP journo (who is already and Rajya Sabha MP) to further your.argument.
You couldn’t have been more unfair. That explains my pain.
I am all for punishing the corrupt and purging them out of the system. Congressmen with such image should be banished and so should be the tainted BJP leaders.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
“Congressmen with such image should be banished and so should be the tainted BJP leaders.”

Are you poing towards Sonia and Rahul because not only they are supremely corrupt but they also facilitate corruption in India.

Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
You must admit that pro-bjp journo who is also RS member is far more honest than you when it comes to HONESTLY declaring his political bias.

You claim to be journo (neutral) but act like congress propagandist.

vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:31 am
@Rajeev
Are you looking for a job with the paper he edits or are you already working there? Stop handing out certificates of honesty to others. I am as I always said opposed to the BJP’s ideology.

manujsk Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@vinod.. I think Rajeev Verma (vinod would know whom I am referring to here) should notice an open admission from a paper that is supposed to be only pro-truth and not anti-ideologies. Would the management come out and admit that Mr. Sharma is furthering the prospects of a certain party/ideology on the paper’s behest? Also, would HT admit that Mr. Sharma’s writing is not fair and neutral, and all the anti-JPC rants have been to defend A party and government? I think it is a slip that Mr. Sharma should accept and take it back immly. I am sure he got carried away. We respect your knowledge, but this was ungainly.

Rajeev Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Vinod sharma,
I know only good-for-nothing backbenchers become Journo and Politicians. I’m far more honest to become a dalla journo like you.

Rajeev Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Manujsk,
The Indian media has right to question everyones integrity but when you question their integrity you get responses like Sharma’s and Barkha’s.

Indian journalist are basically pimps working for political masters. The Radia tapes have given ample insight into this. Mr.Sharma may be monetaily honest but morally he is corrupt because he has sold his soul to devil called Nehru-gandhi criminal dynasty.

Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
When did I use the “chootiya” and which post. You got offended by this word, and terms used by you guys for Pakistanis and Islam is all so good.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Hi Vijay,

I’ve been hearing such stories from Indian media for quite some time. So it least makes the difference. But things have taken toll after assassination of governor Salman Taseer who had demanded removal of ‘blashphemy law’ and termed it as a black law for which he had to face the music.

Corruption besides Terrorism is also one big evil that has trapped us in the dungeons. It requires an iron hand too.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Do you support Blasphemy law?

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Its a lengthy debate. I’ll cut short.

No. I support a bigger version of it. The current blasphemy law is subject to misuse by the ruling (or any majority/authoritative) class leaving minority (in my case non-muslims) in a state of denial of self defense and justice. There should be aiding laws of protection for minority as well. But rather than making mockery its wise to adopt an approach for one single law where no one is allowed to abuse any religious deity/personality/concept/belief. Breach of which should be trialed in court of law. This is what i support.

Vinay Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I feel, insecurity among religious muslim minds towards liberalism is that their religion has to be totally thrown out to be a liberal. To fodder their insecurity, most of the liberal muslims leaders are either achiest or very western (starting from Jinnah to Salman Taseer). Fortunately Hindus (since early 1900s) did not have to choose “either .. or”. They had a leader (Gandhi) who was religious as well as liberal. Today Harvard-bred Chidambaram can either wear suit or traditional dhoti to parliament, but can carry the same image.
I feel the muslim backward class (Madrassa trained) still undergo this “either..or” identity crisis, unless a leadership which involve religion (I actually mean tradition) and liberalism both can be built. Common Muslims might not have taken it so offensively if a religious muslim leader (read skull cap, beard) had spoken what Salman Taseer said, but in a softer tone.

Liberal muslims (instead rubbishing all religious people), need to look out for this bridging person. His connectivity with masses is much more than them.

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Vijay Kumar

~~~~ ~~~~~ CONGRATULATIONS TO VINOD SHARMA IN ADVANCE ~~~~~:) ~~~~

A) For your nomination to Rajya Sabha by the COngress in giving new them an issue to counter the BJP demand for a JPC. I can already see you charging at your former boss Chandan and shouting… I want JPC… I want JPC

B) For inclusion into the Indian world cup team as the ultimate spinner of theroies to distract the public and opposition.

~~~ However I would humbly request you to remember an old song, even as you come up with a spin to counter the BJP~~~

Sajan re jhooth mat bolo
Khuda ke paas jaana hai…..

Think of the aam aadmi suffering under this corrupt rule and sing this song. Maybe you will understnd what I am trying to say…

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
@Vijay Kumar
Congratulations to Vijay Kumar for being showing his true face — that of a hatchet man of the Bangaru-Judeo Party (BJP). You are going places at a very young age. I can see you squirming each time you read my blog and then come up with new falsehood to question by integrity and independence of thought. You are a loser who tries to come across as victorious by raking up mud and filth. Henceforth you are off my list of those to whom I respond. You don’t argue. You insult.
I don’t mean to hurt you. But that’s what I feel. Thanks.

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manujsk Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Vinod, I just fell out of my bed reading “integrity and independence of thought” Care to take a simple challenge. All you need to do is to remove the reference, just collate all your responses and count the number of things you have called the BJP- knickerwallahs, Bangaru-Judeo, Sanghi, and what not! That just shows your bias. See for yourself. If you win, I will disappear from the forum, but if the count comes in my favor- You will write once, just once- “Italian Congress” . On?

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manujsk Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Oops, I meant “just once refer to congress as “Italian Congress” . See how excited I get when I read you

Mohan Ramchandani Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Mr. Sharma,

An interesting challenge Mr. Manujsk has thrown at you.
Waiting eagerly for your reply.

vinod sharma Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
@Manujsk
Why I should I act at your diktat? You are just one among the many who visit this blog without fail even when they hate my views. .

Rajeev Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Sharmaji,
Your description of BJP is funny however it confirms that you are a congressmen working in media.
You should come out openly and declare that you are a congressi journalist. It’s time to come in open. You will do great justice to yourself and your readers.

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manujsk Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Well, your refusal to accept the challenge answers it all. Anyway, I never expected you to “act on my diktat”, else you would have been in Kashi , You can continue taking your diktat from 10 Janpath. I sure hate your views, believe me. You are pugnacious, and I enjoy poking you. The problem is that you shy away from real arguments. So, people got to stoop down to your level, and then try and beat you. But then, as they say, never mud fight with a pig. While you get muddied, the pig enjoys it!
The challenge is still on. Be a sport, take it up. Put yourself under the same conscience test that you want all tilakwallahs and knickerwallahs to go through. At your age, it is good to be conscience clear.

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Rajiv

Regarding Pakistan and its anti-monority laws ( already 99% killed or expelled since 1947 ), the seeds where sown by two ideologues of Pakistan, Jinnah and Iqbal.

In 1929, Jinnah and Iqbal got together to defend in court a illeterate bigot who had publicly murdered a hindu publisher in Lahore, alleging blasphemy. You can google numerous news items on that. Jinnah volunteered to become hos lawyer in court on Iqbal’s request !

Iqbal, even went on to say that the murderer was ‘much ahead of his times’. In a way he was right. In 1929, the british courts punished the killer and in todays Pakistan, he is showered with rose petals and will escape any punishment.
Jinnah and Iqbal : fathers of teleban and Qadri.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Please get to know the whole picture first and then come again. The incident is one of the most memorable in the history of India that happened in Lahore. Jinnah’s request to defend the case was turned down by Ilm deen. Who said its far better to end up at gallows then seek legal refuge.

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Azhar Hussain

@Rajiv
“Regarding Pakistan and its anti-monority laws ( already 99% killed or expelled since 1947 ), the seeds where sown by two ideologues of Pakistan, Jinnah and Iqbal”

Jinnah and Iqbal are our heros who gave us Pakistan, I know you people ar still suffering from that pain. When ones enemy is in pain, then guys who caused it are even bigger Hero’s.

We write Quad-i-Azam Mohd Ali Jinnah; Allama Iqbal Learn to respect them if you want any respect.

Now go back to your paranoid write ups

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Rajiv Reply:
January 18th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@Azhar,

follow the instructions
1. go to google ( even the compuyter at local madrassa will work ) !
2. type in
Blasphemy Jinnah iqbal 1929 lahore ilm deen
3. Sample of what you will find
Jinnah Defended the Killer of a “Blasphemer”: A popular pro-Blasphemy law view from Pakistan
http://www.husainiyouths.com/profiles/blogs/jinnah-defended-the-killer-of

Jinnah ( If you insist I will add Qatl-e-azam ) , Iqbal were ideological fathers of killer Qadri and went on to provide ideological basis of a state founded on religious bigotry and hatred. Taleban and LeT and JeM and Qadri are his rightful heirs.

Remember, Iqbal is widely quoted to have referred to the killer of the ‘blasphemer’ as “much ahead of his times”.
These are facts and embraced by the Islamic republic of Pakistan.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Jinnah was the first terrorist of 20th Century India and Allama Iqbal (converted hindu) a soft terrorist.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 1:33 am
Welcome back Azhar.
But I am in no mood to save you or pakistan. Let both of you commit Harakiri. May be that will be good for world.

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http://- Rajeev

If there is any umbrella terrorist organization in India, it is congress-
1. It usurped power in 1947 under Nehru sidelining Gandhi.
2. Gandhi was murdered physically by a radical hindu but ideologically Congress (snake Nehru) killed Gandhi.
3. Congress sided with muslims in all riots during 1947-2011.
4. The emergency declared by Indira was political terror unleashed by congress. No wonder all coward journos like Mr.Sharma keep congress in good humour.
5. 1984 sikh genocide was conducted under the instructions from Rajiv Gandhi.
6. Congress backed IM terrorists during 2007-2011.
7. Congress youth icon Rahul Gandhi showed sympathy for LeT/IM/ISI/SIMI/Huji/JeM giving them clean chit on 26/11 and other terror acts.
8. It is quite possible that congress did varanasi blast to divert public attention from its financial terrorism.
9. The list of financial terror contains
- High quality sugar exported at throwaway prices (Rs.18/kg) and then low quality sugar imported at Rs.38/kg
- Same thing done to wheat. Imported wheat fit for animal consumption at infalted price..all of which rotted.
- Real Estate scams (too many to count)
- Onion/Tomato/vegetable scams
- Pulses scam
- Steel/Cement scam
- CWG scam
- 2G Scam
- Media scam

Next scam will be Nuclear reactor scam…
Congress will continue with physical, financial, ideological, political terror and its supporter like Vinod Sharma will keep spreading propaganda on congress’s behalf.

India either needs peoples revolution which is highly unlikely because we are from the land of BECHARA Gandhi or military take over which is also very unlikely because our military is busy making land deal and black marjeting canteen stuff.

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Mukesh

Vinod, I do not hold a brief for RSS or Congress or BJP or CPM but as a casual reader of your blog and your responses, I can say that you have not only showed your bias and you are ‘intellectually” challenged because you cannot tolerate a different viewpoint. Maybe it comes from your brahminical traits that you treat everybody with such a disdain. Or is it a way that you want to portray yourself to your masters at 10 Janpath – maybe you want to be more loyal that the King (Queen and Prince in your case). Maybe you are aspiring for a Padmashri (like Barkha) or a Rajya Sabha membership (like Manish Tiwari) but please keep this discourse civil without raising your bloodpressure (evident from your outburst).

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
@mukesh
Pl desist from casteist remarks Mr Mukesh. I am a brahmin by birth. But that’s about it. Your comments assumes that what you write is out of altruism and what I do is for some favour. Why are you wasting time with me when you hold me in such low esteem?

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Rohit

Excellent article Vinodji.

Many people laughfingly call RSS a “nationlist” organisations.

Reality is that they played NO role in the freedom movement. RSS workers distributed sweets and expressed joy when Mahatma Gandhi was assasinated by an RSS member

Not only that, they stamped and trampled on the Tricolor and comitted various anti-national acts that created hatred against them by truly nationalist people.

One of the reasons for banning them among many others that Sardar Patel gave.
We need the hate philosophy that RSS spreads to be investigated under a JPC.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
and you sure are product of conversion for bowl of rice…why don’t you enjoy freedom in pakistan under blasphemy law? jerk..

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Pankaj#1

what is happening? After reading comments of, MBA, head of deoband, I read Murad ali beg’s article in HT. Have the muslims seen through the Congress/ Vinod’s agenda? Big number of Corporates, who generate wealth for this nation, have asked GOI to put its act together, American investment firms have started cautioning investors in west, to think again about investing in India. This is the sorry state of affairs. This government got so heady by their 09 victory, that they threw the caution to wind. kapil says no scam in face of scam galores. Behind the PM’s Mukhota, there is open loot by these brigands.

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james

ha ha sharma calls bjp exclusive and swiss bank looter congress inclusive when it has no shame
in looting money from poor

bjp is benefiting muslims much more tahn congress who just fols them for votes with barking pets like slave sharma

Surat: In arguably the most significant endorsement of Narendra Modi’s development led agenda in Gujarat, the new Darul Uloom vice-chancellor, Maulana Ghulam Mohammed Vastanvi, has said that “all communities” are flourishing in the state without any discrimination against the minorities.

sharma denies knowledge of sheila ki jawani imam ki diwani…wow and this guy is ajournalist whose firt requirement is to know facts and inform readers..

a petition has been filed against dixit and imam for contempt of court…

and sharma after being goaded pays lip service to encroachment laws…

he thinks he is liberal by opposing rss protest against frauds in media and congress by propagandists like him who malign hindus without any evidnece..and want binayak and muslims freed even after courts have pronounced guilt..

and is queit about muslim violenec about masjid and in kashmir etc they r not violenet but
alienated boys according to mullah sharma who is worse than the imam…liberal indeed..

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Praveen Saxena

The news about the Rector of the Deoband Seminary praising Modi for the peaceful and equal opportunities provided to Muslims in Gujarat has come asa big shock to the the Munnabhai Secularists.They will immediately go into damage control frenzy. I do not know whether a counter viewpoint from their ownr Mr Kingshuk Nag shall be invited or not .Or there will be some clarification on the Misreporting. Or that there is a deep rooted sinister RSS ploy behind the news report. Or that the Times of India has a Gujarat Business Connection Or if nothing else we may again resurrect Nitish vs Modi .
As for the subject of this write-up , we welcome a JPC on terror. A JPC can pierce the veil of those who enjoy Constitutional Immunities and cannot be questioned by agencies like the police, CBI NIA etc.. So by inference the Mr Vinod is wanting that all those who presently enjoy these Immunities require to be investigated.
A JPC so constituted can inquire into the entire Malegaon Investgation by all police agencies whther Central or State. It should enquire into the strange case of Aseemanand Confessions. and then the Mumbai ATS. The support extended by the Congress Party’s functionaries who sheltere the Batla House terrorists. Digvijay Singh’s connections and in what capacitry he was speaking Late Hemant Karakrae on an ATS investigation. What was the basis of Rahul Gandhy’s statements to US Ambassador. The strange case of Afzal Guru can be looked into as to who is is sitting on the file. and whu just this , the JPC can even look into who patronized the Mumbai Under world , during his formative years , who has now become the biggest threat to India sitting in Pakistan.

As for Vinod Sharma Sahib I am reminded of the first line of the poem we read in Hindi Basic Reader
Utho Laal ab ankhein kholo Paani laye hain munh dho lo.

regards

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pankaj#1 Reply:
January 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Praveen Bhai,
Very well said. I had my doubts about Congress patronization, before NCP was formed, of Bombay underworld. The same under world is entering Indian Telecom in the form of Etisalat, under same gangsters’ money.
Your last line, Utho lal….. was a Gem. Enjoyed it.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Pankajji thanx.

I forgot to mention two entities which the JPC proposed by Mr Sharma should examine. Bhindranwale and LTTE. Who were patronizing them?
The country would stand to gain a lot such an Inquiry.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Thanks Praveen Bhai;
you have hit the nail on head. Yes, what about LTTE and Bhinderanwale?
I really sympathize with Vinod, he has an unenviable job of defending, indefensibles. He is bound to be a martyre( Professionally), but he has already received his compensations in advance of martyrdom.
By the way, he is always talking about BJP ideology, Can you please let me know, in few lines, if possible, what is this ideology and what is so objectionable in it, which he hates to the core.

Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 am
Pankajji Sorry for the delay in the reply to u. Whatever I know of the BJP or the RSS is what comes out in the media. I do think that these are entities who are working for the good of the country. Yes some day I do plan to read Integral Humanism as propounded by Late Din Dayal Upadhyay.

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Vijay Kumar

@ Vinod Sharma,

What do you think of the cabinet reshuffle? Was it for shaking up the corporate connections and allegations of some of those in power?

–Kamal Nath taken of surface transport. Was it because of the mention in Radia tapes?

– Praful Patel changed because of links to aviation companies.

– MS Gill gone because of CWG (Though here I pity GIll, since I personally know that he started moving things after Mani Aiyar caused a disaster by blocking everything during his disastorous tenure)

But if it is for removing corruption, why give these guys any portfolios?

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:28 am
@Vijay kumar
Yes, the changes in petroleum, civil aviation, roads and highways, rural development were big. The ministers who held them were under a cloud for different reasons— including corporate preferences and lack of temperament (read C P Joshi). Never before having assignments been changed on a scale involving 33 ministers (the current strength of the ministerial council is 41).
But the big gap was that nobody was dropped. Maybe that has been kept for after the Budget session. Let’s see.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,

BY accident, choice or IMF pressures, PV Narasimha Rao appointed Manmohan SIngh as the Finance Minister in `91 and that made all the difference.

Similarly Jagmohan was the DDA VC once and did a great job as an urban development Minister.

Why doesn’t the PM do some creative thinking and do what PVN did to him and get some real Indian talent into the cabinet.

— Like getting Sunil Gavaskar, Anil Kumble or Saurav Ganguly as a Sports Minister.

— Or Narayanmurthy as IT minister

— Aamir Khan as the Minister for culture and arts

Why not??

Rest of the portfolios can still be with duds who are building up their private fortunes but are needed as they provide the votes.

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji
@ Mr.Vijay Kumar

Yes, it is indeed the prerogative of the PM to allot the portfolios as per his choice. But I am amazed at the way he choses the minister for science and technology. How come a lawyer by profession can comprehend the basics of science when Kapil Sibal was holding this ministry. Why not a scientist of repute could be in charge of this ministry?
Yes Vijay, you rightly said that why can not Mr. Narayan murthy be an IT minister? Let professionals handle these jobs like Narsimah Rao did when he picked up a bureaucrat but a top economist of the stature of Dr. ManMohan Singh to be his FM.
Professional holding specialised portfolios would surely bring more credibility to the govt.
BNA
nirav

Great words just coming in from Mr vinod’s GODFATHER…

Manmohan says
Statement 1— “i am not an astrologer.i have no idea when the inflation will come down”
statement 2—-”We cannot reveal the people who have black money in swiss and german banks as it is confidential”
Statement 3—Vilasrao deshmukh promoted to cabinet rank for excellent work in adarsh scam
My take is

1)Manmohan is not an astrologer …he is just a licker of sonia and a broker for congress party to sell this country in parts and pieces and cares a damn for inflation and poor starving people especially if they are hindus(Rememeber he said the first right to all resources belongs to muslims)
2)Manmohan cannot reveal the black money criminals because they are rahul,sonia,pawar and himself…..He can however send CBI after Modi and amit shah….
Imagine the goverment wants to protect the ones who have looted the country for years….
3)Only ministers who can be corrupt and fill the bottomless coffers of the gandhi family can be promoted…(what do you expect when a bartender runs the country)

Shame shame….its a disgrace to be in company of such corrupt people…
The way our army is corrupt is various scams we cant even have a coup….

No hope for this country as long as we have such leaders and writers like vinod …..time for british to rule us as they were less corrupt than manmohan,sonia,rahul,raja….etc…

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:37 am
@nirav
You are a pulp thinker — if at all you are capable of thinking. Want to be ruled by British? What a tragedy.

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nirav Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
No tragedy for you Mr vinod…

As you are ruled by an italian….
Just a difference of European choice:)
Atleast i can come out in the open with my argument unlike you who is defending the indefensible,corrupt and inhuman,…..

Now for your silence on the 3 statements of manmohan matches with his cowardice and lack of manhood to speak up against the wrongs of the government..
Its not your words but your silence on important issues like inflation,poverty and corruption in the rule which will be your signature that is left in the future.
Unless you have your share in the loot….of the congress…
i have no issues in you being anti bjp….but you being pro congress after the mass murder of trust,democracy and public assets by sonia,manmohan and chamchas reveals your true color….

i can only say from munnabhai…

desh ki durgati ho gayi mammu….you get well soon so you can move from yellow journalism to responsible one….

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ashish

@Vinod Sharma Sir, I would like to know your views on Islam. Do you consider it a reilgion of peace or hatred? Hope you reply…. Thank You…

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:19 am
@ashish
Every religion propagates peace. That’s what I believe though I claim no deep knowledge of Islam. But it is unforunate the way this religion is practised by elements using it to pursue their agenda of hate and intolerance in various parts of the world, especially in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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ashish Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
You couldn’t have said it any better!!! You claim no deep knowledge of Islam. I can give you verses untampered directly from the Quran which propagate violence against disbelievers. If you have an open an rational mind, then I can easily prove the destructive nature of Islam to you. Then the whole thought process on terrorism will change. The so-called saffron terror if at all it exists(it is yet to be proven in court), should be condemned by every citizen of India. But Saffron Terror is a different case. It is not inspired by any religion or ideology. If RSS really taught to hate muslims and bomb for a bomb in its Shakhas then there would have been a lot more cases of terrorism RSS being the largest voluntary organization in the whole world. Terrorism needs to be condemned, but the real cause need to be examined i.e. Islam. A few verses from Quran:
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19
Don’t be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah’s) enemy. 60:1
There are more than 300 verses like these. I expect a reply to this.

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Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 4:47 am
Understanding the Fanatic Mindset of Hindu Terrorists who use the following verse 1.40 of Bhagavad Gita to justify extermination of all Christians, Muslims ans Sikhs in India: adharmabhibhavat krishna pradusyanti kula-striyah strisu dustasu varsneya jayate varna-sankarah Translation When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted progeny. Bhagavad Gita 1.40 Commentary Good Hindu population in human society is the basic principle for peace, prosperity and spiritual progress in life. Such population depends on the chastity and faithfulness of its womanhood. As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation. According to Canakya Pandita, women are generally not very intelligent and therefore not trustworthy. So the different family traditions of religious activities should always engage them, and thus their chastity … more

Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 3:37 am
I can quote your text from the bible, The Torah and even the Gita where violence propogated. But lets leave the books aside and look at history since lets say early 1800 to this day. Ashish google it see who has killed more people and subjugated slaves. Go for it and while you are at it, how white folks remind us equal rights when are at the reciving end and how they remember all the UN charters when Christians are procesuted. Tell me hold my anger back

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ashish Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:11 am
1) You should be defending the verses of Islam which I pointed out and not start blaming other religions.
2)I do not get how this verse of the Bhagawad Gita is even remotely related to terrorism. It is quite natural that if the women of the family get corrupted they will not give the correct ’sanskars’ to their children, thus proper upbringing of the son will not be done. How is this linked to terrorism? Hinduism is a geographical term. The proper term is ‘Sanatan Dharma’ which eternal means way of life. Irreligion does not mean not praying to Ram-Krishna etc but it means not following one’s duties properly. So actually this verse demonstrates the importance of women in family.
3) Islam has done a lot of copy-paste from the bible. In Quran there are verses which say that Injeel(Bible) is the word of God(Allah). So giving verses from the Bible, you are just showing that it was Allah who talks about violence through Bible as well. But the Christians have come out of it. There is no slavery now. It was abolished. Rational Christians came out of the false dogmas of Bible. But it is clearly given in the Quran that Muhammad is the last prophet and Quran is the last word of God. So no reform in Quran is possible. Abolishing Quran is the only way.
You are saying that there are many verses in Gita which propagate violence. I want you to show those to me. There is not a single verse which says that kill this guy or that guy because he is an atheist or he does not believe in Krishna as the only God. Such intolerance is the basis of only the Abrahamic religions. And BTW there is no violence against Sikhs and Christians in India. As for against Muslims it is retaliatory and I condemn even that kind of violence and so do all Hindus.

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Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:14 pm
What a fantastic idea of Gita, Azhar! Have you read what verse 39 says (40 follows next). The context here is, a person is not willing to go for a war with his relatives for power. He feels, at the end everyone (from both sides) will get killed. There won’t be many families left. This will force people to leave their tradition (irreligious), ladies to mingle with others. This verse is actually against the war. (I am giving you the reference : http://www.bhagavad-gita.us/categories/The-Gita%3A-Chapter-1/?Page=2 ) I don’t mean, Gita does not contain any words supporting the war. But don’t look for it in Chapter 1. It only describes the negatives of war!

As far as Gita justifying extermination of Christians, Muslims : Oops! Christianity and Islam were not even born then. But it is funny, how you have started to research on your ancestral epic because of your anti Indian and anti Hindu views. Anyway, good luck with your research! Most of the Hindus are not bothered about what Gita says. So, they may not be aware of.
Please show us mirror

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ashish Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:27 pm
I have a problem with the blog post. The writer of this post says that he does not ‘claim deep knowledge of Islam’ and still goes on writing a whole post on terrorism. Islam is Terrorism and Terrorism is Islam. The so-called Saffron Terror is yet to be proven in court. It is retaliatory terror if at all it exists. If it exists all Hindus condemn it. It is not driven by a doctrine like Islam but by a few minds gone mad. The essence of Islam is Intolerance, cruelty , injustice. I challenge anyone who can prove me otherwise and answer my criticism of the verses I mentioned in my comment above and not start changing the subject to Gita, Bible etc…

Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Ashish,
I have problems with the words “Islam is terrorism and terrorism is Islam”. There are very few people in our country, who make us not to loose faith in our democracy. Dr. Kalam is one. Do you want to call him a terrorist? Do you want him to change his religion, or otherwise can’t respect him? We have problems with stubborn people. Let us deal with them. Not generalise them.

ashish Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 am
@Vinay
I have utmost respect for Dr Kalam and he is a role model for all Indians. But if he had followed the teachings of Islam, he would not have been where he is now. I can give you a long expplanation of verses from Quran or from examples from Prophet’s life to assure you what Islam stands for. Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam. There are three types of Muslims – 1) The fanatical ones, the terrorists. They are true Muslims. They follow real Islam. These include Zakir Naik as well who try to create a smoke screen so that people so not get to see what is real Islam is.
2)Ignorant Muslims These are those who either do not know what is in the Quran so they say that it is a religon of peace.
3)Bad Muslims Good Humans – Like Dr Kalam(He reads Gita in the morning so that would make him a bad muslim for worshipping someone other than Allah). These cannot convert due to circumstances. Like the punishment for conversion to Islam is death as written in the Quran. The transfer of people from second category to first is what we should worry aboout. This transfer is fuelled by the media which depicts Muslims as an oppressed minority. So, Hindu society being the majority in India must bravely take up the issue of exposing Islam to as many people as possible and that is what I am trying to do now. Hope you reply…Thank You.

ashish Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am
*Conversion from Islam to any other religion..
B.V.SHENOY

Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

Please accept my congratulations for a command performance on TV from you. I had the rare occasion to see and hear all the leading lights of our secular media. Rajdeep Sardesai, Shekhar Gupta, Arnab Goswami, Barkha Dutt, Sanjay Baru, Siddarth Varadarajan, Sagarika Ghose, Vinod Mehta, Karan Thapar and the “other”, Swapan Dasgupta -all were there all over the channels and all were uniformly trashing the cabinet reshuffle of Manmohan Singh and Vinod Sharma was the solitary editor who stoutly defended the PM, Sonia Gandhi and UPA.

You deserve nothing but the best this government has to offer.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:23 am
@BV Shenoy
YOu apparently fated on a heafty meal of government bashing. So why grudge me my views? But your comment on what i said is quite sweeping— mine was a qualified defence of the reshuffle that saw 33 ministers having their portfolios changed though none of them was dropped. I gave Dr Singh the benefit of doubt while others did not. That was the difference. Any problems?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Vinodji,

far from grudging you your defence of this government, I have congratulated you and sincerely too. In fact, yesterday when I saw you put forth your views, I was instantly reminded of the “BOY ON THE BURNING DECK”:

“The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all but he had fled;
The flame that lit the battle’s wreck
Shone round him o’er the dead.

Yet beautiful and bright he stood,
As born to rule the storm;
A creature of heroic blood,
A proud, though child-like form.”

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Shenoy Saab
Good to hear from u . But now you run the risk of being blacklisted and taken off the list .

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Praveen Saxenaji,

When the issues being discussed are so serious, reactions from readers too are bound to be strong and some hot heads who are “language deficient” or “English-ly challenged” overshoot their mark by using abusive or foul language. I am fortunate enough that I fall into a different category. Even while criticising or strongly differing from Vinod Sharma, I do not cross the Lakshman Rekha of decency. Therefore, I do not come in the danger zone.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Shenoy Saab to my mind there are 3 grounds of objection 1. Indecent language 2. Imputing motives 3 incompatibility . I thought your comment could be objected to on ground 3. But congratulations u escaped.

Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
shenoy sahab,
Kafee makhmali maar te ho.

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Ankit Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
“You deserve nothing but the best this government has to offer”

Hahaha! Nailed it!

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B.V.SHENOY

I came across this witty comment on facebook:

“For the first time in India ‘NEED’, ‘COMFORT’ and ‘LUXURY’ are being sold at the same price:

1. Onions at Rs 65
2. Petrol at Rs 65
3. Beer at Rs 65.”

Interestingly, the average age of Man Mohan Singh’s “new look” cabinet is also 65!

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:35 am
@BV Shenoy
Interesting really. Inflation is indeed a big issue. Any suggestions in terms of policy changes that will arrest the trend. Am asking you as I haven’t heard any creative suggestions from your party, the BJP, except such wise cracks and the declaration of hoisting the tricolour in Srinagar. Gadkari runs a chain of departmental stores. He’d know how hoarding is done and how it can be stopped.

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nirav Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Can anybody be more stupid to suggest the opposition will give ideas how to run the country just because the opposition leader has some stores?:)
thats is so funny and has a stamp of congress supidity….

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Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm
This is what I find strange. Vinod Sharma has already bashed BJP (devoting a blog) for its decision to hoist flag in Kashmir. Now he brings the same issue, when someone asks him why government is not able to control inflation. Whether the matter is corruption or inflation, criticise the opposition party as much as possible. Is not the ruling party which has to be held more accountable? Why can’t we hear some harsh words about them too, for a change? Can Sharmaji review UPA’s performance without mentioning opposition, even for a single day? He will make my day!

Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
@ Shenoy,

Sir, you once disclosed that you were also 65. Then we, the bloggers of India, should all propose your name to the cabinet !! There should be at least one blog Minister!!

And you can always sing a or hum a song to the Cabinet

“Itni Shakti hamein dena-a daata…. ”

So that the cabinet positively stays away from ghoos and rishwat !

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Vijay Kumar,

Thanks. But, NO.

I am reminded of the former Vice Chancellor of Bangalore University, Dr. H. Narasimhaiya, a true Gandhian, who also served with great distinction, one of the premier colleges of India, National College, for more than 20 years as its principal (He was my principal too in the same college).

When he returned from US after getting his Ph.D in physics in 1962, a felicitation meeting was held. In his address, he said, “All great scientists and inventors have done their best work when they are around 40. I am already 42 and hence I don’t think I can do much, and I am humble enough to accept that”.

I too humbly submit that I am well past the suitability age. May be, just may be, Vinod Sharma can make the grade as (mis)Information Minister. My best wishes are with him.

As for singing songs, have you heard this saying, ” None are so deaf as those that refuse to hear”.
I believe that this government has a closed mind, a closed heart and also closed eyes and ears.

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Vinay Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Shenoyji,

HN memories are really refreshing. Such an honest soul. A rationalist, who condemned blind practises in the religion but still respected sentiments of the people who followed them. He rose from a backward class/ harsh background, but never had a hatred for forward class. Always advocated technological advancements but still had concern, when the trees were chopped off. A real humanist, who never hated anybody irrationally. Today, Congress party speaks about the sacrifices of its past leaders. I wonder, what connection people like HN have towards “this Gandhi-party”?
Vijay Kumar

Shenoy Sahab,

Think again!! You could do open heart surgery and correct the blockages!!

And your banking skills will be useful in extracting the truth behind the Swiss bank accounts and the real names behind the benaami ones…

PS: By the way the Congress is waiting with bated btreath that none of its own should be revealed. Two days back, on Times NOw, Mani Aiyar was as usual shouting that it is all Switzerland’s fault… and not of the account holder.

And in case any of the Congress’ VIP’s do get traced or does one mysterious Italian guy, then be sure that Yedurappa’s or Tehelka and BJP would be used to counterbalance. Regrettable but true…

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B.V.SHENOY

Vinodji,

you said, “Gadkari runs a chain of departmental stores. He’d know how hoarding is done and how it can be stopped.”

Recently, when he was in Bangalore, Gadkari told me that since beer and onions are selling at the same price (Rs.65/-), he wants to start a chain of bars and he asked me for “ideas”. I have told him, “you would ask none other than Sonia Gandhi. Nobody in India knows about bars better than her”. I have even suggested to him to invite her for the inauguration of the first bar.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Shenoy Saab, Vijay
Atleast these people whose names are being taken , the details of there businesses and their vocations are known. What about those about who nothing is known. What is their source of livelihood ? Or are they living off others or the taxpayers money ? Some have reached their forties and nobody knows yet what they have done so far to earn their living?

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
If politicians have made money– as many have, without any known profession or business– well we need the law and order machinery to get into action…

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
@Parveen Saxena

What is Rahul Gandhi’s source of income? After all, he is also leading a princely life. At least, for sure, he does not run any departmental store.
BNA

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Rajiv Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
All Gandhis claim that they are living of royalties of a book written by their grand father or great grand father !

Rajeev Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
It is strange that Sonia Gandhi doesn’t own the car..and our PM comes from Assam and Rahul Gandhi has no other source of Income.

Sonia and Rahul figure among politician with little or no fortune..can one beleive this? Where is the bofors commission, CWG money, 2G money…Swiss banks?

vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 5:20 pm
@BV Shenoy
You met Gadkari? Well, that’s great! You must have met him in your capacity as his town-cryer. Did you take with you others in the mob that visits this site?

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manujsk Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 11:53 pm
@Vinod,
Wow! So, the guys who and read and grace your blog with their comments (in fact better than the blog itself) are mobs! I woner what do you really expect? That this blog is 10 Janpath, and we are Kangressis? Wonder why dont you get much support on this site, forget committed ones, even when HT is a pro-Kangress paper? Or is it that you indeed are in minority? Last night, you harped on and on about your old stale Yeddi story, even when what was being discussed was the Governor’s role in Blore. None of the other guests agreed with you, and guess what there was no Congress spokesperson. Were you the chosen one? Ahem!

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Vijay Kumar

Coming back to the blasphemy laws, I think the UN should step in to ban them in all countries.

It may be very easy for Pakistanis to say that we should prevent their misuse. But consider the following.

1) COnverting a person to Islam is allowed and encouraged by the state

2) However in case a person leaves Islam to convert to Christianity, Hindusims , Judaism or any other religion– it is punishable by death.

So in effect, these states, despite claiming that they are moderate Muslim countries, effectively coerce people to convert to Islam but punish them if they want to escape.

Similarly,

a) Anybody can be accused of insulting the prophet and be killed.

b) While when a Muslim insults any other religion or makes fun of it– no punishment. Somethimes even laughter.

Even if the moderates don’t like this, they can be killed. As Salman Taseer was. So effectively the world should force countries which have blasphemy laws to ban them or lose the IMF loans, aid and so on.

I am saying all this– not to make fun of Islam, but just to factually pinpoint why a barrier between Islam and other religions has come up.

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Rajiv Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Unitil and Unless..

Until and Unless all Non-Muslim and secular states demand that Muslim majority states treat their citizens equally
1. Freedom of religion. Freedom to build temples, churches, synagogues from Riyadh to Mecca to Islamabad.
2. Freedom to preach, profess and convert without government restrictions
3. Repeal of all anti-minority laws from Blasphemy ( which should not be applicable to the non-Muslims anyway, because they do not subscribe to Saudi religion ) to laws against conversions.

The muslim majority states will think its their Allah given right to discriminate without any repurcussion. Those Muslim majority states, that do not treat others as they wish to be treated themselves, should be subject to sanctions.

Sanction No 1.
1. Do not issue any VISAS to citizens of those countries. You don’t want people who subscribe to such intolerant practice or thought to spread. Do you ?

Does Mr Sharma have any thoughts on this ?

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Jasper Masih Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 3:29 am
I have been reading this blog, and Rajiv your are of the most ignorant about Pakistan. Being Christian Pakistani, I was born and live in Pakistan and yes there are problems. You guys pretend like there is problems for non-hindus in your country. You want me to write what discrimination Christians face in southern India. As far as Middle East goes, stop your fellow country men from going to those repressive countries, millions of them make a living in those countries as long as they obey their culture and laws.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Azhar hussain,

now u come with a Christian face GR8 !~ ~

If you can keep changin religions for the sake of blogging, why don’t you say that it is best Pakistan changes its religion from fundamantalist Islam to secularism??:)
http://- Rajeev

Mr.Sharma,
Can you show me one instance where you have been TOTALLY critical of UPA govt.?
Can you show us any of your blog/article etc. where you have been critical of Dynasty?

Show me just one instance and you get the certificate of Neutrality from all of us. Till then you are guilty of bias towards Congress and Dynasty..You remain a propagandist for Congress in the eyes of educated Indians.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 5:07 pm
@Rajeev
Who the heck you think you are. Stop bullying and get down to serious arguing if you are capable.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:15 pm
@Vinod,
You don’t know who the heck I am but I know who the heck you are.
I am just asking you to post one link to the blog/article from you that criticises Sonia/Rahul and their corrupt empire called congress.

I am very capable of arguing with HONEST people but when your adversary is shameless to the core, there is nothing left to discuss.

You openly support Rahul Gandhi’s sympathy for Islamic terror and call yourself neutral journalist.

YOU ARE BASICALLY A CONGRESSI JOURNALIST. If you don’t beleive me, take a poll on internet or whereever you want but that will be too much to expect from you.
I’ll keep challenging your neutrality as a journalist till you openly accept that you are hardcore congressi journalist.

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Rajiv

Can we have a blog on the statements of
Maulana Vastanvi rector of Darul Uloom, Deoband, one of the significant Muslim cleric of India
about the Gujrat administration, where the Maulana has praised the Modi government for
1. Offering equal opportunities to all citizens and non discriminatory approach
2. Develeopment of Gujrat

Mr Modi’s administration, is perhaps the best run state administration in India and has been certified so by severel independent research and audit agencies.
If India and Indian states, have that kind of pro development, non-political, no-nonsense administration, India’s face would change, including those of Muslims who often make up poor sections of society in some states like Bihar, Bengal etc.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
January 20th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
@ Rajiv
I second your opinion. Infact, he is prime Minister material. Running a best administered state in India with no discrimination shown to any community and even earning praise from muslims. In stark contrast of Delhi scenario, where administration was unhinged by a mob of hooligans recently. In Gujarat, all the unauthorized structures of worship of both communities were removed without any interferance from politicos. He aptly said that Gujrat is in competition with China and not with any other state in India.
I wish a scenario where Modi is PM and Manmohan as his FM. That will straighten the skew, which has creeped in and this will be the golden period for india’s progress.

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Rajiv

A Pakistani viewpoint from The Hindu about state of affairs in Pakistan..
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article1100439.ece

I suppose the writer does not really understand the mechanics of the cult that rules Pakistan. This is how the cult operates. Army owns the country, all the country’s resources, land, departmental structures, airports, etc., are directly or indirectly controlled by the army. Army takes the lion’s share of the budget and even talking about it is sort of ‘blasphemous.’ When the generals don’t control power directly, they have their corrupt politician brethren to maintain a facade of civilian government. Every now and then, a few soldiers under orders from their chief drive up to the prime minister’s house and arrest him while a few others seize the TV stations and close the airports. Meanwhile, their chief declares himself head of the government. The Supreme Court that, in the name of ‘basic structure,’ recently discounted the parliament’s power to amend the constitution simply validates the army’s take-over of the government. It forgets its love of the ‘basic structure’. When the country’s condition worsens, the army suddenly becomes a lover of democracy, brings back its corrupt politicians to take the blame for all the mess, which these political dwarfs are too happy to do, because it gives them a chance to catch the tail end of a cycle of loot. To keep this cycle of misrule, corruption, confusion of the masses and their exploitation going, religion comes in handy. So ‘blasphemy laws’ and religion’s unholy interference in the matters of state play a big role in the cult’s functioning. Therefore, if anybody thinks that the army will put down the extremists, fanatics and terrorists, does not know the first thing about Pakistan.

from: Siddique Malik

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sheela

all know congress only rewards loyal sycophnats and u won the race for nm chair…
and u want us to be fools ..

why dont u write ablog against dixit and imam..

if bjp had done something even if false u would be writing/talking 24-7 against it with ur elmedia mafia

and u talk about imputing motives against u…either u r braindead or expect ur readers to be so..

this blogger writes about saffron terror,blames bjp and modi falsely..for decades…and now he lectures about imputing motives just because they r so obvious to neutral readers who have no motives unlike this congress lapdog who was rewarded with nmc

what an evil clown..calling him a pimp or ah is giving pimps/ahs a bad name..atleast they r honest not congress asslicking frauds…no coverage of swissbank,quatrochi etc by ht..slimes r writing about saffron teror…

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 4:44 pm
@sheela
Stop this abuse of my hospitality. It only shows your lack of manners and decency. I wouldn’t say more, respectring you still as a woman.

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Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 am
“By the way, if you have forgotten, Pakistan was carved out of greater India and thus HAD to take Muslims from all over India….more by cmpulsion than by choice” Let me correct you on this one, it is by choice because of th people living in Karachi. It was compulsion then and not now but majority would say for sure “No More Migration from across the border at the present time, but only thing that stops us is our religion and affliation. As far as secularism goes you can keep it with you and thats exactly why we became independent. YOur secular keeps you from speaking out for you fellow Muslims when they are slaughtered in Kashmir, you secular keeps you shamelessly quite when riots break out in Mumbai; with the same token southern shamelessly keep quite when riots break out in UP. No one is advocating you to die for Pakistan, hell you people not even ready to die for your own Indian Muslim, what are you talking about. As far as statistics go for migration, this is a world wide phenomenon not just Pakistani stat. I know alot of Indians living in the Gulf, why don’t you think they are making a beeline back to India? They use it as stepping stone to migrate to Europe, USA and Canada? Nothing wrong with it, thats what humans been doing for ages. Let me tell in clearly nobody is defeatist, yes people are angry because of the inept leadership but any country in our location with war going on for the past 30 yrs would not have done any better. Doc you need to check the defination of bigot, because if you read most of the most with an open mind it will show how bigoted the people on this forum are. I undestand your compulsion in not defending your religion, because you have to defend seculer credentials, otherwise people would be cursing you on this forum. I challenge you to defend any of the points being raised against Islam and the words being used. You will not, because most of the jokers will jump on you. As far as Salman Taseer’s murder goes, majority of the people have condemed it. Watch Pakistani News Channel and see for your self, or do you have a choice to watch those programs. Correct me if I am wrong,can you get our channels on cable or satellite or are they still banned? The bigoted lawyer who had filed for the release of Qadiri has been told by the court, this person has committed a crime and he will be punished. When is your country going to do to those who have murdered thousands in Kashmir, or are you allowed to ask such a question? Thousands of buried in mass graves, when is your conscience going to wake you guys up? http://www.worldpulse.com/node/15774

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Shah Alam Khan Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:03 am
Dear Azhar miyan,
Thanks for the angry disparage….I thought you might give a thought to what I had written, but alas! Let me point out a few things. Surely it was by choice of the people living in Karachi that Pakistan was craved out. But was this choice a correct one? We all can argue for and against. As of today (and in 1972) the creation of Pakistan is a tactical error for many across the border. I know you can argue otherwise. I really cannot understand why you are so inapt in accepting a Secular Muslim? Azhar sahib this is what is driving Pakistan to what it is today. Secularism as I understand does not clash with my Islam. This is the essence which separates me and you and honestly I am happy to be different on this account. My Islam and my Indianess are identities which do not mismatch. Both are coexistent and healthy. I think in the murder of Salman it is Islam versus the secular credentials of Pakistan. Try to give it a thought; are they both not at loggerheads in your country? If the answer is no then I am afraid we are looking down the barrel as far as Pakistan is concerned….. and this bothers me.
Yes Pakistani channels are seen in this part of the world. I don’t know how you have the impression of channels being banned in India. Sir, I am sorry but we do not emulate the Pakistani example in this respect (remember the Geo TV ban?). I also personally know the liberal voices of Pakistan but my friend that is the problem- they are getting marginalized in recent times. Crying for the dead is not the answer, it is honoring the living brave which matters. The Pakistani civil society (as stated by one of your own human rights activist) is now divided into “the killers” and “those to be killed”.
Your grudge on Kashmir and the Indian riots is more for vituperative reasons than anything else. I see this as an excuse to ridicule Indians and people like me. Anyway, read my blog to get a view of what I think about these issues. I hope you will see through my writings the very fact which you accuse us, the “secular” Indian Muslims for.
Azhar sahib your definition of bigots might differ from mine but Sir I see you too as having a very narrow view point on issues of religious tolerance and Islam. Lets agree to disagree- at least this blog (by an Indian Hindu) gives us this freedom without the fear of being shot dead 27 times from a Kashnikov.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

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Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm
“at least this blog (by an Indian Hindu) gives us this freedom without the fear of being shot dead 27 times from a Kashnikov.”

Dr. Shah you are giving these examples like the whole of Pakistan supports these lunatics. Pakistan is not what your media protraits it to be. These fringe elements are been taken care of by the Army. As far as free media is concerned let me tell you they are as free as your media if not more. Having said , I don’t see your media opening reporting the atrocities in Kashmir, for fear of similar reaction. That is exactly why I don’t seee you people defending your religion on most of the forum for the fear of being labelled Pakistnai lover. This I am saying because I have lots of Indian Muslims friends who show similar behaviour. Though most of keep having their daughter married to Pakistani guys. Dr Shah as far secularism goes you can keep it.

On 31 October 1984, two of Gandhi’s Sikh bodyguards, Satwant Singh and Beant Singh,
assassinated her with their service weapons in the garden of the Prime Minister’s residence at 1 Safdarjung Road, New Delhi as she was walking past a wicket gate guarded by Satwant and Beant. She was to be interviewed by the British actor Peter Ustinov, who was filming a documentary for Irish television. According to information immediately following the incident, Beant Singh shot her three times using his side-arm, and Satwant Singh fired 30 rounds.

AJ Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Guys please refrain from responding to him.his objective is to instigate debate and divert the attention from the core issue of corruption because he gets undue favours from his friends in the ministry and to please them he can go to any extent.We dont give him importance even when he speaks on TV debates because sometimes he himself does not know what he is talking and the anchor has to ask the question again.

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Azhar Hussain

Understanding the Fanatic Mindset of Hindu Terrorists who use the following verse 1.40 of Bhagavad Gita to justify extermination of all Christians, Muslims ans Sikhs in India: adharmabhibhavat krishna pradusyanti kula-striyah strisu dustasu varsneya jayate varna-sankarah Translation When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krishna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrishni, comes unwanted progeny. Bhagavad Gita 1.40 Commentary Good Hindu population in human society is the basic principle for peace, prosperity and spiritual progress in life. Such population depends on the chastity and faithfulness of its womanhood. As children are very prone to be misled, women are similarly very prone to degradation. According to Canakya Pandita, women are generally not very intelligent and therefore not trustworthy. So the different family traditions of religious activities should always engage them, and thus their chastity … more

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Praveen Saxena

The falsehood of the Fake Secularists is slowly falling apart. After the Deoband’s Rector’s statement on Gujarat ,the SC has now dismissed the the CBI ’s plea for death penalty to Dara Singh. The SC has also decried forceful conversions in Orissa of which sufficient material is on record.
It is time we set up a JPC on the falsehood and the canards spread by the fake secularists.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
When several progressive Maulanas are in agreement with Maulana Vastanvi, the Grand Muftis of secular media are sharpening their knives to attack both Dastanvi and Modi. Assaduddin Owaisi, the high priest of pseudo secularism, has already launched a virulent attack, as has the other secular body, Muslim Personal Law Board. We are holding our breaths for the NMC to “offer” their considered opinion/criticism.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Teesta Setalvad and co suddenly seem so tainted– what with all those false affidavits and all that. Similarly all the Modi baiters have been left breathless and jobless.

I think they will all gang up to remove Vastanvi.

Maybe Vinodji should propose a JPC on how innocent and poor Muslims are being misused by some cunning media and politcal gangsters !

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Vijay Kumar,

Teesta may look like having become a Modi hating dinosaur or on the way to become an endangered creature of the pseudo secular jungle. But as of now, she is not scared of our supreme court, because she has the backing from the UN High Commission on human Rights. She will run to the Un even if Modi does so much as ****, saying that he has disturbed her peace.

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Vijay Kumar,

I am surprised that my response here to your comments on Teesta Setalvad have been deleted/censored!

vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 4:48 pm
@B V shenoy
Stop complaining please. These deletions might be on account of some technological problem. Pl repost each time this happens. This advisory is for all times to come.

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Vinodji,

you said, “You are like hitmen hired to take me out. Keep trying buddies”

While the ‘buddies’ part is alright, (and I like it too) the rest of it is the ‘most unkindest cut’.

“Hum to akhiyon se goli marne walon mein se hain

Hum nazaron se theer marne walon mein se hain.

Katl ki baat chod, hum katl-e-bayaan se hi darne walon mein se hain”

vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:23 pm
@BV Shenoy
You have many facets to you Shenoy Saab. I like some of them very much — like your proclivity for urdu poetry and ability to keep the dialogue going, blowing hot when needed and blowing cold when required. About our disagreements? Well, they are too well known. )

ashish Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Sir, You have not yet replied to my criticism of Islam. What a person perceives Islam to be changes an argument altogether. It is a danger to our society. All Indians must come together to eradicate this disease. You prefer to avoid those questions. Sad…

vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 5:02 pm
@BV Shenoy, Vijay Kumar and Saxena
You all sing the same tune. Who’s the conductor of this orchestra? Where do you meet to decide on your talking points? You are like Chinese Triads operating out of secret underground chambers. Funny, no, that such rank rightists are adopting tactics of a communist country’s secret brigade?
The regularity with which you seek to villify me shows that I have come to be viewed as a formidable rival in circles where you move.
You are like hitmen hired to take me out. Keep trying buddies.

Rajeev Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Teesta is fondly called Mujahid by her own son (as per her husand Javed Anand). Her own son uses Talibani language so what can you expect from her mother.
There is strong possibility that Teesta must have known about terror activities in Gujarat. She should be remanded into police custody and interrogated properly. We have Jihadi living among us and we choose to ignore them.

Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 am
@Mr Vinod Sharma

Why sir do u say that we are like hitmen hired to take u out. Have we said a word against u. Yes we have disagreed with your contentions and put forth our own . Why do you say that we vilify you ? We have been critical of ceratin persons and entities who u seem to support and defend. That is it. And these our issues of national importance which all of us are concerned with. In fact on some occassions even you have been quite harsh on us, much more than the situation warranted. But then I think impliciltly we all agreed to disagree and we are not going to ask what made you to fear the loss of your onions? Best Regards

vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:45 pm
@BV Shenoy
Maulana Vastanvi is from Gujarat and we all know what goes on there. But wait. You may soon hear some other tune from the Maulana who are eulogising to help your man in Gujarat. You think you can fool all the people all the time. But not me—never.

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pasha Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:54 am
sharma u hide all news on teesta perjuries and slamming her by supreme court…u r afraid of truth…

yeah no one can fool you..only u and ur congress have right to fool all indians for 60 yrs..and we see how brainy u r when u cannot even debate with ur commenters here…

u would have been a good circus clown with that evil deceptive congressi look on ur face…

u r not an ittian,not an engineer doctor,mba lawyer or anything that requires brains..because u dont have them…u dont even have artistic talent…to live by..

so what do u do with ur 50 % cutoff arts major…u beg congress media to give u ajob which requires only fraud and sycophancy which u r gold emdalist for 20 yrs and now being rewarded with nmc chair beisdes ur ht job…

ur dancing during emergency is hogwash…the true test was ur compromise for ur job with ht which was a slave during emergency right till today..

see how u hide all gandhi scams..

ur so braindead that u dont even have any reasoning…

vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 7:11 pm
@Praveen Saxena
Is it not villfication when you suggest that I am sold out because I agreed to be member of NCM? Is it fair to question the integrity of somebody who is self-made and was of the same view about the BJP when it was in power for six years? It is fair to compare somebody who invests time on an issue close (minorities) to his heart while voluntarily foregoing monetary benefit?
One cannot continue talking without mutual respect– that is possible to maintain despite differences.

Rajeev Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Owaisi comes from a family of razakars so he should be last one to talk about non-violence and peace. This ******* is pure terror material.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
@ Mr Vinod Sharma

Sir the last time when I made personsal remark against you was when I mentioned something about Rajya Sabha membership. That was long time back, after which I vowed never to repeat that mistake. Since then if you see my comments I never make any allegation of a personal nature , yes I may oppose your views most stridently with all my conviction . I have far more respect for you than you believe Sir.
B.V.SHENOY

Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

The day the cabinet reshuffle took place, most of the editors and commentators criticised the PM for proving the US ambassador right (Wikileaks: The congress president never loses an opportunity to lose an opportunity). There were sullen faces and even derisive laughs. The editors even termed the changes as the shuffling of chairs on the deck of the Titanic. Most others made fun of the PM, though they were very careful NOT to mention Sonia Gandhi (some of them had received huge favours and awards and some are still to receive them.) Today’s Indian Express (of Shekhar Gupta, not the RSS one) has editorially compared the congress government to the sinking Titanic.

Does this mean that the secular media leaders have all but given up on Man Mohan Singh? In 2009, when Advani called the Prime Minister the weakest prime minister India had ever had, the whole media attacked him like a pack of hungry wolves. Today the picture is so bleak for the congress that when Advani reminds these editors, ‘I told you so’, they are nodding their heads in agreement.

Of course, you are an honourable exception and an even more honourable upholder of the congress claim that the best is yet to come.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 4:39 pm
@BV shenoy
Is it a comment or a question? You may try hard and make as many insinuations as you like, but I have a viewpoint that I shall never desist expressing. You must grant that as my right while retaining yours to disagree. If I weren’t the way I am, there shall be no debate on this blog.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:49 pm
@BV Shenoy
As for you sinking titanic analogy, I must tell you that I aren’t a rat. Nor is the ship sinking despite your fond hope.

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
January 27th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
The ship of congress has sunk today in Supreme Court when AG told the judges that PM & HM do not know that there is a case pending in court against CVC & no note was circulated in this regard , in the meeting to choose the CVC . How funny & shamelessness of the Vanhavati who tried to trade falsehood in SC , so brazenly . Even a lowly officer in Govt., Semi Govt. or PSU’s , when he is being considered for a promotion for a higher post , he is first considered by vigilance ,to check any complaint or court case is pending against him & accordingly a note is sent to the concerned appointing authorities , for suitable consideration while overviewing the promotion process. How it is possible that no such enquiry with vigilance deptt., was established while Thomas’s appointment was being considered , by the committee of PM , HM & LEADER OF OPPOSITION.And another funny joke is that while Sushma Swaraj openly opposed the consideration of Thomas because of a pending case of corruption in a court & offered to support any body of the rest of two being considered by the committee , but strangely inspite of clearly dissent note of Sushma Swaraj , Thomas is made CVC. Now PM & HM says through AG in SC that they were unaware of the any pending case of corruption against Thomas . Really funny & strange . Further strange was your actions & views in todays TIMESNOW DEBATE on the issue & yours stingy interaction with Ravi Shankar was also pathetic to see , all through the debate . You were too aggressive to defend the sordid episode. The photocopy signed by the PM , HM & leader of opposition is in circulation of media & dissent of Sushma Swaraj is clearly visible .

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B.V.SHENOY

If wishes were onions, Man Mohan Singh would sell them at Rs.6.50 a kilo…
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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Someone seems to be holding him by his onions.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 3:08 pm
The “best lawyer politician” in the country also appears to be about to loose his onions after the SC asks him to behave responsibly.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:21 pm
or holding him by….you know what.

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Vijay Kumar

@ Azhar Hussain,

Seems that you attended another of the Mullah Omar education programmes in your Christmas vacations ! And by the way did you also get treated for mental haemorhoids along with him??/

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Azhar Hussain Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 10:12 pm
You people get mental haemorhoids when I show you your ugly face.

Hindu Hard-Liners Terrorists in Eastern India Ransack 6 Christian Churches During Christmas

By ASHOK SHARMA
NEW DELHI Dec 26, 2010 (AP)

NEW DELHI

Hindu extremists attacked Christians celebrating Christmas in eastern India, ransacking and burning at least six village churches, officials said Wednesday. One person was killed in the violence.

Authorities in the remote district where the churches were attacked have deployed 450 police to quell the violence, which had tapered off by Wednesday, said Bahugrahi Mahapatra, a government official.

There were conflicting reports of what sparked the unrest in Orissa, a state in eastern India with a history of violence against the area’s tiny Christian minority. Mahapatra called the violence a “sensitive matter” and refused to discuss how it began.

Some reports said that Christians had attacked a hardline Hindu leader, Laxmanananda Saraswati of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad group, who had been leading an anti-conversion movement.

“The situation was aggravated by some Christians forcibly stopping the 80-year-old Hindu leader Laxmanananda Saraswati and attempting to attack him,” said Giriraj Kishore of the VHP.

“When they were prevented from attacking him by his followers the Christians hit someone with an ax and one Hindu died,” he told reporters in New Delhi.

But the New Delhi-based Catholic Bishops Conference of India said the fighting began when Hindu extremists objected to a Christmas Eve show, believing the display was designed to encourage Hindus at the bottom of the religion’s rigid caste hierarchy to convert to Christianity.

An argument over the Christmas show got out of hand and some of the Hindus opened fire on the Christians, wounding three of them, said John Dayal, a spokesman for the Bishops Conference.

The Hindus then went on a rampage on Christmas Day, chasing people out of six churches and setting ablaze the buildings, most nothing more than mud and thatch houses, he said.

Later, dozens of people from each community clashed, Dayal said. One person was killed, although it was not immediately clear if he was a Hindu or Christian. Another 25 people were wounded, the Press Trust of India news agency said.

Although Hindus, the overwhelming majority of India’s 1.1 billion people, and Christians, who make up around 2.5 percent of the population, have tended to coexist peacefully in India, the region where the violence took place has a history of tension between the communities.

Orissa, in fact, is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion, a move designed to counter missionary work.

Much of the ill-will in the area, about 840 miles southeast of New Delhi, stems from anti-missionary sentiments.

In 1999, an Australian missionary, Graham Staines, and his sons Philip, 10, and Timothy, 8, were burned to death as they slept inside their vehicle after a Bible study class in Orissa.

The Christians, meanwhile, have challenged the conversion law in court, saying it violates India’s constitution.

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Praveen Reply:
February 17th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Hey Azhar dude,

India is the land of the vedas & a culture called Hinduism. Been so for past 6000 years & will b so til kingdom come. Ur militant monotheist religions wil b wiped off slowly but surely from India if u continue with ur ‘conversion’ activities. Hindus retain the right to hit back at u if u indulge in converting anyone from our community.

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Raghavendra

Mr Vinod

if things dont improve the congress party’s dream of anointing it’s YUVRAJ as next primie minister will down the drain in to over flowing YAMUNA. there can never be a greater show of arrogant behaviour from politicains than the one shown by these congress DESH BHAKTS when it comes to tackling price rise.

Mr Sharma you waste no chance t shower praises on our dear prime minister MANNU BHAI.
i wsh to say this very pime minister took support from the COMMUNISTS for 4 years to keep the COMMUNAL BJP out of pwer for 4 years.
during election campaign for 2009 elections your dear MANNU BHAI accused these very communists of helping the BRITISH when SONIA GANDHI’s DESH BHAKT , CONGRESS was busy driving the british out of INDIA?

i want to ask 1 question to your HONEST prime minister.
was he not aware of communists helping british in freedom struggle during those 4 years when they supported his government which was in ICU from 2004-08?
did he suddenly realise that COMMUNISTS were TRAITORS after they withdrew support to DESH BHAKT CONGRESSI government?i felt in 2008 that these DESH BHAKT CONGRESSWALLAHS were showing more BHAKTI to GEORGE WALKER BUSH than beloved BHARAT MATA.
this statement of MANNU BHAI in 2009 shows that he is willing to do anything for power and his MADAMJI from ITALY.
please commet to my statements dear vindoji. i am eager to hear your comments on this.

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B.V.SHENOY

Vinodji,

“@BV Shenoy, Vijay Kumar and Saxena
You all sing the same tune. Who’s the conductor of this orchestra? Where do you meet to decide on your talking points? You are like Chinese Triads operating out of secret underground chambers. Funny, no, that such rank rightists are adopting tactics of a communist country’s secret brigade?
The regularity with which you seek to villify me shows that I have come to be viewed as a formidable rival in circles where you move.
You are like hitmen hired to take me out. Keep trying buddies.”

I am really amused by our very interesting comparisons. You know, Vinodji, the only conductor I know of is our bus conductor. But, the whole country is singing one song in different tunes:

bring down prices, because they are back-breaking
bring the scamsters to book, because they are looting,
bring back swiss bank loot, because we are waiting
OR QUIT, BECAUSE………..WE WILL NOT BE WAITING.

I would also like to remind you, Vinodji, that not too long ago, you too were singing the tune, “HINDI CHINI BHAI, BHAI”. In fact, Jawaharlal Nehru not only asked the whole country to sing this tune as a bhajan, he wanted the whole world to see the beauty of the word-smithy of his broken record.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 6:40 pm
@BV Shenoy
Your flourish for offering common man pleadings is just a mukhota. You are not what you make yourself out to be. AAP TAU DO GAJ ZAMIN KE NiCHEY HAIN Shenoy Sahib. Just look at the slogans you reproduced. I keep hearing them from Gadkari and Co. Were they coined when you met the guy?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Vinodji,

these warnings, which you have chosen to call slogans, are original. Please, at least give me credit for that.

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
January 27th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
The problem with Vinod Sharma is that he is at complete loss for words as he is destined or compelled to support the sinking ship of UPA’s because of considerations , he better knows . You should have seen him at todays TIMES NOW’s debate on dirty Thomas case in SC . It was too pathetic to see the way Vinod Sharma was responding his case , literally supporting the wrong doings of UPA’s in this regard
Rajiv

When is the Grand Imam of the Congress party,from Jama Masjid Delhi, going to issue a ‘fatwa’ against Maulana Vastanvi ? He has already issues threats to confront him.

If Vastanvi was a catholic, Sonia would have already obtained an ex-communication from the Vatican !

The point is, Indian media, including Mr Sharma and numerous others, have given themselves to extreme hyperbole, amounting to gross lies, on the issue of Gujrat riots. So its not possible to accept a narrative which is rooted in facts and contrary to their politically preferred stories they had spun.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:25 pm
@Rajiv
Nothing ever happened in Gujarat. Are you happy now?

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Rajeev Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Vinod,
Nothing happened in 1984..Are you happy now?

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
@Rajeev
You are an ape. Do some original thinking.

manujsk Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
@Vinod.. Poor Rajeev aped you, and lo behold, he looks like an ape! BTW, did something happen in 1984? Enlighten us.
@Rajeev- Sorry man, but you need to know whom to ape, and whom not to

Rajeev Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I may be an ape but not a shameless one like you.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand

Dear Vinod Sharma ji

I am amazed at the intensity and regularity at which the apex court is reprimanding the govt. and its ministers on so many issues. The latest is the rap which Mr. Sibal got from the apex court. The court asked CBI to ignore Mr. Sibal’s outburst against CAG and to go ahead with the 2G scam investigations without taking any notice of what Mr. Sibal said. The UPA govt. is facing the wrath of not only the people and the political parties, but also of the apex court.
The interesting part that the govt. has not felt embarrassed by any such rap, whether it is against Raja’s role , CVC appointment, swiss bank accounts,CWG games etc. etc No one has seen any govt. being trampled by the judiciary in such a forceful manner. as the present UPA govt.
Mr. Sharma , dont you feel sad to see the govt. at the receiving end from the highest court in the country. What is your take on the position of the govt. in such a situation?
BNA

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:04 pm
@BN Anand
It is a fact that nothing is going right for the government. As I said in a TV discussion, it seems to be in a state of nervous breakdown. The sooner it comes out of it the better.
On the SC my take might be different from yours. The speaking judges syndrom is not good. They often don’t put in writing comments they make to play to the gallery. It is a phenomenon not restricted to India and has been debated quite often abroad.
What’s your take on it?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Daacter Saheb,

your diagnosis is spot on. When the government is paralysed or weak-kneed, the judiciary takes upon itself the power to speak out of turn or strongly about each and every item in front of it. But, when there is an ‘emergency’ like situation, they too bend and do ‘ji huzoor’s.

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:44 pm
@Vinod Sharma ji

@B.V. Shenoy

While agreeing with you in a broader sense, the observations of the judges in the apex court do carry weight and can not escape notice. I do not think that on all matters they are only interested in playing to the galleries. After all, this is one institution which should be respected by one and all, whether the comments are to our liking or not. Look after all the bravado, Kapil Sibal has now become defensive. He now says that he never meant to disrespect CAG. Well, I do not foresee pleasant times for Mr. Kapil Sibal after his outbursts against CAG., especially being an eminent lawyer and to be now on backfoot on this issue. I also foresee CAG petitioning in the apex court for his out of turn outburst against a constitutional institution.

But I only wonder why the UPA govt. is committing on blunder after another. The UPA govt. should have learnt the lessons after what happened to Mr. Buta Singh and his predecessor governor. Now it has to reckon with the likely snub which Mr. Bhardwaj is most likely to face(it is my view and I may be wrong ) from the courts after I watched the comments of various law experts and the constitutional expert Mr. Nariman’s, regarding the action of Mr. Bhardwaj for allowing the prosecution of the CM without conducting any enquiry and just because two lawyers petitioned him. After all, the PM had not acted in hurry but took so much time to reply to Mr. Subramaniam Swamy for his petiton to him to be allowed prosecuting Mr. Raja in 2G scam. Why was Mr. Bhardwaj so much in hurry especially when a commission is enquiring in to all such charges against Mr. Yedduruppa?
In the last, Mr. Shenoy I always enjoy as much as I enjoy Mr. Vindo Sharma’s rejoinders to your posts. That is very civilised way of blogging.
BNA

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sarah Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 7:23 am
sharma it is ur corrupt secular judges who were playing to the gallery and were apppearing on media 24-7 freely to u r applause..

do u atleast have amemory…remeber khare who called modi nero…and was promptly rewarded with abadmashri just like ur freinds rajdeep teesta barkha,dua,mfhusain

these judges r making comments and u dont like it and this shows in ur hiding their comments and the downplaying byb congress media mafia..

khare and justice bannerjee caling godhra an aaccident was 24-7 breaking news
to be tomtommed till eternity just like gujarat 2002 post godhra only..

sikh riots to be hushed up..

even a kid knows rules r the same…

but u secular mafia r something else…
both hopeless and shameless

ask any common sene person and he will say khare shuld be asked why do the courts
fail to deliver justice??? who is nero???

the court which is not doing its duty and not modi who is doing his duty and
delivering…but as said u seculars r a unique virus eating off india…

to keep her backward and looted by ur congress bosses

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 10:25 am
It could be that they don’t want to leave behind a trail of written words which could create problems for them , by the Govt., of the day . or Else they could be denied some rewards in the shape of chairman of few commissions , enquiry committees or some similar jamboorees , by the vindictive UPA Govt.

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B.V.SHENOY

Vinodji,

you said, “@BV Shenoy
As for you sinking titanic analogy, I must tell you that I aren’t a rat. Nor is the ship sinking despite your fond hope.”

The analogy of Titanic was, in fact, brought in by the eminent editors, Shekhar Gupta, Barkha Dutt and the not-so-eminent Swapan Dasgupta. The Manmohanomics of the revolving chairs was even compared to the shuffling of chairs on the deck of the Titanic.

What you say, with such confidence, about the ship not sinking may be correct, but all the secular editors and the secular media itself seems to be in a hurry to desert the ship.

And whether the ship is sinking or not, it definitely is not moving and seems to be whirling on its vertical axis like a top. Which ships in good health do not do.

As for you, Vinodji, in an earlier post I had profusely complimented you on your steadfastness with the ruling but paralysed dispensation. In fact I had quoted a poem, part of which I may be permitted to repeat here:

“The boy stood on the burning deck
Whence all but he had fled;
The flame that lit the battle’s wreck
Shone round him o’er the dead.

Yet beautiful and bright he stood,
As born to rule the storm;
A creature of heroic blood,
A proud, though child-like form.”

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:04 pm
@BV Shenoy
Now what do I say to that? You have found me out, finally. I might be the last man standing. But stand I shall until BJP becomes a good enough option or some other force emerges.

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http://- Rajeev

@Vinod,
You don’t know who the heck I am but I know who the heck you are.
I am just asking you to post one link to the blog/article from you that criticises Sonia/Rahul and their corrupt empire called congress.

I am very capable of arguing with HONEST people but when your adversary is shameless to the core, there is nothing left to discuss.

You openly support Rahul Gandhi’s sympathy for Islamic terror and call yourself neutral journalist.

YOU ARE BASICALLY A CONGRESSI JOURNALIST. If you don’t beleive me, take a poll on internet or whereever you want but that will be too much to expect from you.
I’ll keep challenging your neutrality as a journalist till you openly accept that you are hardcore congressi journalist.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
@Rajeev
I wouldn’t lend respectability to your accusations by responding to them. You keep calling me what you want. I will ignore you—- today, tomorrow, always.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Silence means acceptance..You won’t reply because you know what I am saying is 1000% true. You are not a journalist but a congressi propagandist.

Living in a democracy, I’ll not ignore people like you who not only support corruption but murder in the name of secularism.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
You see, you can’t even post one link to support your neutrality. I stand vindicated.

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http://- Rajeev

Mr.Sharma,
You wanted my arguements. Here they are in short. Pl. don’t divert by bringing BJP corruption because we all know BJP is only a shade better than congress in both corruption and communalism.
1. Is your demand for JPC on terrorism SERIOUS or is it just a mischief to silence people on Congressi scams?
2. Do you agree with Rahul Baba that Islamic terror across the border and within India is far more dangeous than rag-tag radical hindu terror?
3. can you post a single link to your article or blog where you have been critical about Sonia/rahul and corrupt party Congress?
4. What is your view on SC and Congress exchanges on various issues such as corruption, terror or disrespect by ministers towards contituitional offices?
5. Do you agree with Digvijay Singh that 26/11 was RSS project? He is speaking something but all his actions confirm that he wants to give clean chit to Islamic terrorists (from india and pak) on 26/11?

Lastly let me tell you clearly that I am against terror by majority community and I want them punished first before we go after Islamic terror. I also don’t support BJP corruption but currently India is being ruled (looted) by Congress and chor allies so let us stick to Congress and chor parties.

I request you not to divert the issue..Let us see true neutal honest surfila Vinod Sharma.

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http://- Rajeev

Sharmaji,
One more question-
You hold Modi responsible for Gujarat riot and rightly so because it happened when he was CM so he is morally responsible. Please note that 250+ hindus were shot dead by police during the so-called state-sponsored riots. Modi was declared guilty by Congress and its media even before the investigation commenced.

Now let me ask you, do you hold Rajiv Gandhi responsible for 1984 sikh massacre? It happened under his watch and he did justify it with ‘TREE’ analogy. Do you support a SIT on Sikh massacre?

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Dwij Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 4:30 am
Rajeev,

I would be surprised if Sharmaji would care to respond to the points raised in your emails.

I consider myself lucky that I am in a city where HT is not published. The more I see VS talking on TV (apparently on 1 particular ’secular’ channel NDTV), my views get stronger about the media houses in Delhi doing a great deal of damage to the country by masking real issues & and raising the secondary issues, just to help the INC.

-Dwij

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:58 am
Rajeev,

The Hindus who got shot dead were, perhaps, wearing skull caps-all of them, only because of which Modi’s riot police could have killed them, under express orders from Modi. Unfortunately the secular press has forgotten about them totally and is still harping on the 750 Muslims who died in the riots. If they (the Hindus who got shot and killed) are so much as even mentioned anywhere, the pseudo secular theory of Modi’s pogrom against Muslims would collapse.

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http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

Dear Vinod ji,
Thanks for re-assuring me that all is not lost on either side of the blanket! It is heartening to see your piece as it comes at a time when the likes of us start doubting the credibility (and sanity) of secularism and human values. Salman Taseer’s murder and subsequent bouquets for the murderer are as much a serious threat to us as it is to the very basis of Pakistan, the so called pure land of the Muslims. My apprehensions quicken pace when I see the likes of optimist Pakistani activists like Pervez Houdbouy comment, “the battle of sanity is lost”. Having said this, I still doubt even if a thousand Swamis and a million mullahs can bring the same crisis to India, NOT YET, as you said. As for the middle class, it is too busy in the glamour of the consumerist culture to be drawn out of its cozy nest and kill people in the streets….yes they can disparage you and me sitting on their laptops! or maybe take part for the fun of it (remember 1984, 1992, 2002?). But you are correct; we do need to raise our guard. With people like you around, I can still sleep at night.

Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi
Blog: http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:56 pm
@Dr Shah Alam Khan
What a plesure having you back after an interval ——am I right? But it is people of your calibre and level of consciousness who add value to public discourse. Keep it up dear doctor.

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Azhar Hussain

“Salman Taseer’s murder and subsequent bouquets for the murderer are as much a serious threat to us as it is to the very basis of Pakistan, the so called pure land of the Muslims”

Dr. Shah Alam Khan, { “so called pure land of the Muslims”}, is accepting thousands of your brothers and sisters to its land without any question of loyaty from them. Last census showed that there almost 200,000 of your Dehliwalas; UPians and Biharis living illegally in Karachi alone. YOu might feel secure by making those statement against our motherland, but let me assure we will come out of this mess much stronger. And we keep accepting your kind to our motherland without any question with regards to their allegiance. You people I mean Indian Muslims pick these unfortunate incidents but forgot your predicaments when riots hit home and you got no where but Pakistan to go. But Doc our people always standup and protests and killings like Gujrat and the aftermath of Babri Masjid hits home.

Allah Hafiz

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Shah Alam Khan Reply:
January 21st, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Dear Azhar sahib,
I have had discussions with you in the past as well but unfortunately you don’t seem to understand what Indian Muslims support and stand for. Let me be audacious to explain this one last time. I have no issues with Pakistan taking UPites, Keralities or any Indian state walas. By the way, if you have forgotten, Pakistan was carved out of greater India and thus HAD to take Muslims from all over India….more by cmpulsion than by choice. As for me, I would prefer dying as an Indian then a Pakistani and believe me most of my generation of Indian Muslims would say so (you can explain why). By the way you have very conveniently ignored the other statistics from your motherland- In 2008 60 percent of Asians migrating out of the subcontinent were from Pakistan (world population report on WHO website, 2008 Jan). Sir, in case your memory betrays, you too are now an Immigrant Pakistani living in the US (correct me if this is wrong). Azhar sahib we all know that Pakistan is going through difficult times and as responsible citizens you should manufacture the correct consent. The kind of writings which come out of your pen only shows a defeatist and helpless attitude. India and most Indians (ignore the large number of bigots which visit this site) are sympathetic (and concerned) for Pakistan as a neighbour. You should be the ambassdor for your counry. I can appreciate the provocation here but is your provocation bigger than what Vinod Sharma ji faces? I don’t know if you defend the killer of Salman as a ghazi or consider him a coward butcher, but I am very clear in what I feel. I consider him to be a barbaric murderer who should be hanged for a crime beyond humanity. As for the protests on Gujarat, Babri, etc., Azhar sahib you should appreciate the power of Indian secularists and liberals. The list is endless. If all what you say is correct, Indian state would have by now become a Hindu rashtra. We have maintained our secular identity because the lunatic fringe was kept at bay. Unfortunately for Pakistan the lunatic fringe is now at the centre of affairs and the liberals have become the fringe.
Hope I haven’t hurt you in any way. May your country come out victorious from his mess.
Truly,
Dr.Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

[Reply]
ram

How about a JPC on Corruption in Government of India, politicians and bureaucrats?After all USD 500 Billion of ill gotten gains is in Swiss banks which our Great PM Singh thinks is only tax evasion! (Please refer India Today magazine website).

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Vijay Kumar

@ Vinod Sharma,

“You all sing the same tune. Who’s the conductor of this orchestra? Where do you meet to decide on your talking points?”

Your comment made me smile HOnestly and I can swear on the Gita/koran and the Bible that me, Shenoy and Praveen dont meet in midnight in candle light and plan what is to be posted on this blog the next day….

In my personal life I swing between being an atheist to being a HIndu when a family funciton requires. However I certainly feel that your blog, started with good intentions, somehow becomes a mouthpiece of the Congress. And in trying to promote the Congress you may actually spoil the cause of secularism, democracy and the fight against corruption.

Why ?

—> When the issue of big ticket corruption arises, you choose to get Yedurappa into the picture to nullify the UPA loot. If yeddy is bad, he should get punished. Fine. But not by a partisan governer, who is doing and Indira Gandhi act and will result in bad vibes for the Congress. But should the looters in 2G– which you dont talk about– go unpunished?

—> Democracy suffers a blow when somebody says, “arre hum chor hai… par woh bhi toh chor hain…” The aam aadmi only surmises that democracy only dishes out thieves. When Bofors went unpunished, it only lead to greater loot every year after…

—-> The cause of secularism suffers, when minorty communalism is tolerated and specail rights are given under the garb of minority rights. NOting bigger than human rights. That’s it !! No single party has a monoply over secularism. The idiots who rushed into protecting an encroaching structure acn only be called communal and morally corrupt… not secular.

SO think with a cool head. The people out here love to debate and throw up issues.

May be the manager of the blog needs to see their perspective also!!

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Vijay Kumar,

Today, the whole of Bangalore was shut down. In fact, hte whole of Karnataka observed a largely peaceful and complete bandh. The fact is that people have now begun to see Bharadwaj, because of his peculiar brand of politics, as the governor general of Sonia Gandhi lording over the poor, peace loving South Indians! Now it is Bharadwaj against the people of Karnataka.

You know, Yedyurappa has the almost unique talent to turn adversity into a favour and this time too he is most likely to come up trumps. And the funny part is that Deve Gowda and the little leaders of congress are looking like the errand boys of the governor general Bharadwaj.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Even though we run the risk of being charged with ganging up against the gentleman editor, I cannot resist but joining in to say that this was exactlly the point which a political analyst Mahesh Rangarajan was making on Times Now lat night. Our host was also part of that discussion.
But then I think that the congress is not so worried about Karnataka at the moment , and a bigger priority is to gain sime arguing points in the televised debates. Desperate people are always prone to resort to desperate actions.
As for Bharadwaj , he is their domestic sevant . When the need arises he shall be shown the door and reassigned somewhere else.

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 pm
@Praveen Saxena
Pl change the script that you always read — the situation is different. Yeddy must stop crying and so must you. Pl go to the Court if you and your favourite CM are clean.
Also, when will you start abusing the new Deoband chief who has since withdrawn his certificate to another favourite CM of yours? )

vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:42 pm
@BV Shenoy
Bhardwaj indeed is no Gopal Gandhi. But what do you have to say about Santosh Hegde’s defence of the governor’s action? Also, shouldn’t Yeddy seek redressal under the law rather than destroying the State’s economy through Bandhs and hartals?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Vinodji,

“destroying the State’s economy through Bandhs and hartals?”

You are joking, right?

manujsk Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 12:48 am
At your biased self. I think Hegde also said that the CM also has the right to appeal to the HC against the sanction. So? Had the okayukta found him guilty, he would have initated action. But has he? So, stop hogwashing. And you arent good at that even! Bcos that requires you to be logical. You are so blinded by the anti-BJP andti-Hindu stance, that you selectively read all statements. May Allah give you some sense.

vinod sharma Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
@BV Shenoy
Yes, destroying the economy. The bandh caused a loss of Rs 2000 crore. Add to that the Rs 500 looted by Yeddy. So its a total of Rs2500 crore. Good competition really to Raja?

vinod sharma Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 5:38 pm
@Vijay Kumar
Congrats for reverting to saner debating rather than seeking to defeat the other side through insinuations— praising those who run after the BJP for pelf and power and character
assassinating those who disapprove of that party for what it ideologically represents.
My counter to your arguments is as follows:
1) Can you please help me recall as to when and where I defended Raja’s corruption or said that he be allowed to continue as a minister.For that matter, even Kalmadi or Ashok Chavan.
2) Is it not a fact that all three of them have resigned and may meet their nemesis through the process of law
3) At the same time, is it also not a fact that Yeddy continues even after having been humiliated and insulted by the mining mafia, himself insulting the Lok Ayukta and finally the sanction of prosecution by governor H R Bhardwaj who, I agree, is no Gopal Gandhi.
4) Even Lok Ayukta Santosh Hegde has defended the Governor’s decision. But you wouldn’t listen. Why? Is it a case of the US versus the erstwhile Soviet Union where the former would defend friendly dictators distinguishing its own “sons of *******” from the “Soviet sons of *******?”
5) Will you now demand the remvoal of Santosh Hegde who has stayed on at the intervention of L K Advani.
6) Because you are such a big fan of Advani —- and consider Sonia and Manmohan Singh as evil personified— kindly explain why Shri Advani is quite in the face of Hegde’s damning reading of the governor’s order?
7) Is it fair for you to bracket me as a partisan journalist with scribes who are BJP MPs simply because I am a member of NCM? I am there out of the belief that the majority community owes it to the society to defend the minorities genuine grievances.
I call you and Shenoy Saab hitmen because you attribute motives and seek to paint me as a sold-out journalist when I dont take a single paisa from the government as NCM member. Rather I invest time that is valuable?
If you promise to be objective and balanced, then rest assured that I will reciprocate in the interest of a wholesome bipartisan debate where we take on all black sheep without fear or favour.
I am writing this in the belief that every human being is imbued with some sense of justice. That until you have a clean chit from the court that sits within you, nothing that is hurled at you sticks.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Vinodji,

Is Vijay Kumar a bigger fan of Advani than you are of Sonia Gandhi? I am sure he is not, because he has criticised Advani several times in your blogs, whereas, you are rock solid in your faith that Sonia Gandhi is goodness, virtue and morality personified. You hesitate to even mention her name, lest a wrong word or phrase may escape your lips. This kind of devotion colours your judgement about everything other than SG, RG and even Q.

As for myself, I have never accused you of having been sold out. It is a cheap and demeaning accusation. However, bias is something else.

Lastly, you have said, “I am there out of the belief that the majority community owes it to the society to defend the minorities genuine grievances…” We have no issue with that kind of sentiment and belief, in fact, I have commended you, more than once, on your taking up the job as a mission. But do you also believe that the minorities have no such reciprocal responsibilities?

An MF Hussain can repeatedly hurt the sentiments of crores of Hindus, but mustyou take it upon yourselves to defend him, because he belongs to the minority community?

The supreme court said that the scourge of conversions systematically indulged in by Christians is the root cause of much of the unrest in the tribal areas, but must you defend their right to convert by employing any and all kind of foul means?

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
@BV Shenoy
Why do you answer for Vijay? Have to sent him on a sabbatical to….. you know where )

manujsk Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 1:03 am
@ Vinod- Wow, nothing sticks until proven by the courts. So, you believe that HKL Bhagat, Sajjan Singh, Jagdish Tytler are indeed innocent? I am sure you wouldn’t be hurt by the allegations hurled at you, going by the stance. However, from your comments, it clear sounds otherwise You seem to be offended, while you shouldnt be! What kind of convoluted arguments do you use?

Santosh Hegde has given an impartial statement- Being from media, you may chose to put your own punctuation marks to make your case. The fact is he has said the Governor HAS a right to sanction (not that the Governor IS right), but the CM too can approach the HC. You didnt like the second half it seems? And why drag Advani into this. If anything, he should be lauded for requesting the Lokayukta to stay back. As regards prosecuting the CM, the Lokayukta can do as and when he has some substance. As of now. innuendos apart, there is nothing concrete.
It is indeed fair to charge you of partisanship. Read and re-read what you write. I had challenged you, as have a few others. You chose to sidetrack. However, journalists who are out in the open are better. Had you or B Dutt come out in the clear that you are Congress propagandists, we would have been ok. By the way, Chandan Mitra holds a official position as the Prabhari of WB BJP. There is nothing discreet about it.
As far as Raja’s resigning is concerned, we all know how overdue was it. Even officially your CBI had the case for over 15 months. So, stop making a virtue out of his forced resignation. He was no Shastriji.
Guess, you would not be satisfied by these answers. So, continuing with your propaganda. Cheers! And finally, could you resolve my name puzzle? Stop doing that, lest you go bonkers

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
@ Vinod Sharma,

Thx for the reply!

C’mon Vinodji, I am no fan of Advani ! Only a fan of Atal, Manmohan or anybody who does good work for India !

Unfortunately our polity is going back to my school days when I would read papers everyday of a war between Indira and the Janata party! The basic issue still remains corruption and this must be fought head on, rather than be hidden by counteraccusations.

Bhardawaj does look like an Indira type goerner and you know what those governers achieved… only confrontations between the centre and the state.

The COngress will do well to remember that the charge of corruption has stuck on… an OUTLOOk survey shows the four times more people of India think that Congress is corrupt as compared to BJP.

So whatever the your position, why not tell the COngress to mend its ways. By the way it all started wgen your pal Mani Aiyar came on TV and asserted that 70,000 crores had been looted in CWG. So the COngress is well advised to check out its real friends

PS : Sane debate is always welcome. However periodic bouts of insanity also add to the debating quotiant

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vinod sharma Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@Vijay Kumar
Your claims as to whose fan you are have to be tested by your statements and your actions. In my assessment you are a religious right winger by instinct. Correct me If I am wrong.

Rajeev Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Vijay,
We all know Bharadwaj is first rate scoundrel, agent of dynasty (who allowed Mr.Q to collect his loot). He is the same guy who blackmailed Sanjay Dutt when he approached him for a congress ticket.
Despite all this I think it is time Yeddy step down or BJP fire him till investigation are over. This will help shut mouth of Congress Propagandist media and agents like Bharadwaj.

I think BJP ruled state should go after all the congressmen involved in supporting IM terror. There were two Congress MLAs who sheltered IM men on run and provided them financial help. I have confirmed this from journalist Prabal Pratap Singh.

Let the battle begin..

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Rajeev Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Digvijay is a known IM frontmen so he should be grilled by MP CID and police.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Rajeev,

The latest joke in the media is that Digvijay Singh says he loves Hindus!

Rajeev Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:59 am
Digvijay is class opportunist. This same SOB went to Azamgarh to support IM terrorist and is now calling names to Hindus. Truly a pathetic loser..
Vijay Kumar

SO many poor people will go hungry… and a 0.3 % drop in GNP of Karnataka. All because the COngress wants to get into a war to divert the 2G loot story….

Sad…

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http://- Rajeev

I think BJP should get rid of Yeddy till investigations are over to shut up agents like Bharadwaj and Propagandist like Mr.Sharma.

BJP is yet to learn the fine art of Congress deceit. What is stopping BJP from buying off journos like Mr.Sharma. I guess our media is on sale.

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B.V.SHENOY

Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

I too heard Santosh Hegde on TV, national and local. He was hesitant and also ambivalent, with qualified responses to pointed queries. The only point he made on which you have latched your arguments, is that the governor has the power to give permission for prosecution of the CM, ignoring the advice of the council of ministers. He was in fact referring to a general point of law.

In the specific case, when there is no police investigation, no CBI investigation, when the Lokayukta, with its own independent police force is in the midst of investigation of charges of corruption, the governor was clearly in the wrong by first creating two complainants and then giving permission for prosecution in an unseemly and tearing haste. If Justice Hegde wanted to be forthright on the issue of ethics and propriety, he should have asserted his priorities in unambiguous terms and called the governor’s action as hasty and as putting the cart before the horse.

You have, by comparing Bharadwaj with Gopal Gandhi, given him the sort of respectability which he clearly doesn’t command. He is an out and out errand boy of Sonia Gandhi, with the permanent black mark against his name of being the hatchet man of Sonia who went to London and helped Quattrocchi to complete the unfinished loot of the Bofors scam.

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usman chaudhry

@ashish

Since you claim more knowledge then anyone of us, could you explain further in what ways Sanatan Dharma and Abrahamic religions are different? Point out the fundamental ideology and difference.

What makes you so pious in claiming : “Islam has done a lot of copy-paste from the bible “, who copied from bible? Care to explain with any reference.

As you said:
So, even if no temple existed there, the demolition of the Mosque was a good thing, an act rather than being condemned as an act of religious intolerance needs to be celebrated as an act which takes us further on the road to religious tolerance.

So if your hypothetical case means no mosque was there .. what make you believe celebrating this event is way of propogating religious tolerance? I hope not everyone in India is of the same viewpoint; still let us know your state of mind.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
please read as: So if your hypothetical case means no temple was there……

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ashish Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Talking about an act of religious tolerance, I feel you should first be defending those verses of Quran which I included in my comment. And you are free to produce any verses from the main scriptures(Vedas,Gita,Upanishads,Brahmanas) which propagate intolerance. BTW my viewpoint is that Islam is a destructive religion and you have not yet defended those verses of the Quran. So according to me, Islam stand for intolerance, cruelty and violence. Naturally, destroying a symbol of religious intolerance(a mosque) would be a step towards tolerance. I will write those verses again for you:

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5
Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19
Don’t be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah’s) enemy. 60:1
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They’d like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
Fight them until “religion is for Allah.” 2:193
Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
The disbelievers are an open enemy to you. 4:101
Non-muslims are wrong doers. 5:45

Show me verses like these in the Hindu Scriptures and I will agree that there is no difference between Sanatan Dharma and the abrahamic religions.

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ashish Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
The origin of man(adam and eve), creation of universe in 6 days, stories of Cain,Abel,Abraham etc.

ashish Reply:
January 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 pm
the above mentioned are copy pastes from Bible…..

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 1:05 am
@ Brother Ashish – Reply1 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
In Islam the concept is clear that when You are not having enough knowledge about any subject you should not discuss about that and dont create confusion in this world. Because you altered all the Quran verses and representing here as if every body has to believe that Islam teaches Violence. First You have to know about What Islam teaches about Religious Tolerance. If possible I will clear all your questions about Quran verses Insha Allah.

1)WHAT ISLAM TEACHES ABOUT RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE:
Then coming to your point of Religious Tolerance What exactly the Quran states about this topic:
Noble Quran 109:1 Say: O unbelievers!
Noble Quran 109:2 I do not serve that which you serve,
Noble Quran 109:3 Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
Noble Quran 109:4 Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
Noble Quran 109:5 Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
Noble Quran 109:6 “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.”
Noble Quran 2:62 Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
Noble Quran 2:109 Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could turn you back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from themselves, (even) after the truth has become manifest to them; but pardon and forgive, so that Allah should bring about His command; surely Allah has power over all things.
Noble Quran 2:256 There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
Noble Quran 5:69 Surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Sabians and the Christians whoever believes in Allah and the last day and does good — they shall have no fear nor shall they grieve.
Noble Quran 18:29 And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve; surely We have prepared for the iniquitous a fire, the curtains of which shall encompass them about; and if they cry for water, they shall be given water like molten brass which will scald their faces; evil the drink and ill the resting-place. If you observe above all the verses Allah himsef says that there is “no compulsion in the religion” on any mankind of the world.

This tolerance includes Idol worship also. Until you do your own soul searching what about you are following is true or not? there is no compulsion on anybody in this world. In other words I can tell you what is good sure I cannot order you “Do this is what good!!!”. In other words Until you testify and believe that whatever you are following is good there is no compulsion but I am having all the rights to what is right as a fellow human being…..

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 1:22 am
“Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 9:5″??
@ Brother Ashish – Reply2 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
The Original verse from quran is with stars***

Verse 9.5 (sometimes called Verse of the Sword) is often quoted to state that Islam encourages military expansion. In fact it is possible to misinterpret the verse when it is taken in isolation. As a general rule, every verse in the Qur’an must be read and interpreted against the background of the Qur’an as a whole. This is essential if we are to get a more accurate understanding of the Qur’an.

The following translation and commentary on the verse is from “The Message of the Qur’an” by Muhammad Asad.

***(9:5) And so, when the sacred months are over6, slay those who ascribe divinity to other than God wherever you may come upon them7, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place8.Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render purifying dues, let them go their way: for behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace9.***

6. According to pre-Islamic custom prevalent in Arabia, the months of Muharram, Rajab, Dhu’l-Qa’dah and Dhu’l-Hijjh were considered ’sacred’ in the sense that all tribal warfare had to cease during those months. It is with a view to preserving these periods of truce and thus to promoting peace among the frequently warring tribes that the Qur’an did not revoke, but rather confirmed, this ancient custom. (See also 2:194, 217).
For Your Reference:
2:194 The prohibited month for the prohibited month and so for all things prohibited; there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
2:217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: “Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of Allah to prevent access to the path of Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members.” Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

7. Read in conjunction with two preceding verses i.e. (9:3, 4). as well as with (2: 190-194), the above verse relates to warfare already in progress with people who have become guilty of a breach of treaty obligations and of aggression.
For your Reference
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).
2:190 Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2:194 The prohibited month for the prohibited month and so for all things prohibited; there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.

8. Do everything that may be necessary and advisable in warfare. The term marsad denotes “any place from which it is possible to perceive the enemy and to observe his movements”.

9. The above verse, which speaks of a possible conversion to Islam on the part of “those who ascribe divinity to other than God” with whom the believers are at war, must, therefore, be considered in conjunction with several fundamental Qur’anic ordinances. One of them, “There shall be no coercion in matters of faith” (2:256), lays down categorically that any attempt at a forcible conversion of unbelievers is prohibited — which precludes the possibility of the Muslims’ demanding or expecting that a defeated enemy should embrace Islam at the price of immunity. Secondly, the Qur’an ordains, “Fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you; but do not commit aggression, for, verily, God does not love aggressors” (2:190); and, “if they do not let you be, and do not offer you peace, and do not stay their hands, seize them and slay them whenever you come upon them: and it is against these that We have clearly empowered you (to make war)” (4:91). Thus, war is permissible only in self-defence, with the further proviso that “if they desist — behold, God is much forgiving, a dispencer of grace” (2:192), and “if they desist, then all hostility shall cease” (2:193). Now the enemy’s conversion to Islam — expressed in words, “if they repent, and take to prayer (establish prayer) and render the purifying dues (Zakah)” — is no more than one, and by no means only, way of their “desisting from hostility”; and the reference to it in verses (9:5, 11) certainly does not imply an alternative of “conversion or death”, as some unfriendly critics of Islam choose to assume. Verses (9:4, 6) give a further elucidation of the attitude which the believers are enjoined to adopt towards such of the unbelievers as are not hostile to them. (see also 60:8, 9).

In conclusion I would like to quote two other verses with commentary from Dr. Jeffrey Lang’s book “Even Angels Ask”. Publisher: Amana publications Beltsville, Maryland, U.S.A. (see pages 128-129).

To them against whom war is made wrongfully, permission (to fight) is given — and truly, God has indeed the power to defend them –: those who have been driven from their homelands against all rights for no other reason than their saying, “Our Lord is God! For if God had not enabled people to defend themselves against one another, all monasteries and churches and synagogues and mosques — in all of which God’s name is abundantly extolled — would surely have been destroyed. And God will most certainly succour him who succour His cause: for verily God is most powerful, almighty. (22:39-40)

As thess verses show, Muhammad’s military struggle against the Quraysh was from the very start defensive and retaliatory. The Quraysh had already demonstrated by their words and actions their aggressive intentions. It now would be the time to fight back. Eight years later, after a handful of battles with the Quraysh, a great deal of the Prophet’s diplomacy and his continuous and tireless efforts to preach Islam, the Prophet subdued the Quraysh. The details of Muhammad’s military campaigns against the Quraysh and their allies are readily and easily obtained, so I will not recount them here. I only wish to draw the reader’s attention to one crucial fact: Muslim chronicles report not a single case in which Muhammad led an aggressive attack. Historical records show that each tribe with which the Muslims fought had either attacked the Muslims first or else had aided and abetted such an aggressor. In particular, there is absolutely no evidence that Muhammad ever offered a peaceful neighbouring tribe the choice between accepting his rule or war. Yet this fact has not deterred Muslim and non-Muslim writers from scouring the hadith collections and the Prophet’s biographies in search of dar al Islam/dar al harb concept.

Muhammad’s last expedition, in which he led an army of thirty thousand on a very long and difficult journey to Tabuk, the border region between Byzantium and Arabia, is sometimes cited as evidence of the Prophet’s imperialistic plans. However, the expedition was a reaction to reports of Byzantine plans to invade Arabia. Such rumours had been circulating in northern Arabia for some time. When Muhammad reached the frontier and found that the Romans did not contemplate an offensive, he returned without attacking them. His actions, on this occasion demonstrate “that the permission to fight against the Christians contained in — 9:29 was also subject to the condition laid down in 2:190: that Muslims shall not be aggressive in war.”

All these should point out to Islam as the religion of peace rather than a religion of war. Is that enough for you Ashish???

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 1:59 am
“Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19″
@ Brother Ashish – Reply3 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
The Original verse from quran is with stars***
***[9:19] Have you considered the watering of the pilgrims and caring for the Sacred Masjid a substitute for believing in GOD and the Last Day, and striving in the cause of GOD? They are not equal in the sight of GOD. GOD does not guide the wicked people.***
First You have to think on which occasion this verse got revealed from almighty Allah it comes like this….
It has been narrated on the authority of Nu’man b. Bashir who said: As I was (sitting) near the pulpit of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), a man said: I do not care if, after embracing Islam, I do not do any good deed (except) distributing drinking water among the pilgrims. Another said: I do not care if, after embracing Islam, I do not do any good deed beyond maintenance service to the Sacred Mosque. Another said: Jihad in the way of Allah is better than what you have said. ‘Umar reprimanded them and said: Don’t raise your voices near the pulpit of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on Friday. When prayer was over, I entered (the apartment of the Holy Prophet) and asked his verdict about the matter in which they had differed. (It was upon this that) Allah, the Almighty and Exalted, revealed the Qur’anic verse:” Do you make the giving of drinking water to the pilgrims and the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque equal to (the service of those) who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive hard in the cause of Allah. They are not equal in the sight of God. And Allah guides not the wrongdoing people” (ix. 20). This tradition has been narrated on the authority of Nu’man b. Bashir through another chain of transmitters
Sahih Muslim 20:4638
Is that enough? Means Before this verse Revelation there was a discussion between the men of Islam how they want to lead a life after embracing Islam?; So One man says Even I dont mind distributing water to the pilgrimages till my whole life!! another says that I will do service to the sacred mosque till my whole life!! Another said that Jihad is the Better way. When this matter comes in front of the prophet(PBUH) then comes this verse got revealed. Even If you consider “Jihad” OR “who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive hard in the cause of Allah.” is violencein the sense In My point of view the meaning of JIhad is as follows:
Question: What is Jihad?
The word Jihad stems from the Arabic root word J-H-D, which means “strive.” Other words derived from this root include “effort,” “labor,” and “fatigue.” Essentially Jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution. The effort may come in fighting the evil in your own heart, or in standing up to a dictator. Military effort is included as an option, but as a last resort and not “to spread Islam by the sword” as the stereotype would have one believe.
Answer: The Qur’an describes Jihad as a system of checks and balances, as a way that Allah set up to “check one people by means of another.” When one person or group transgresses their limits and violates the rights of others, Muslims have the right and the duty to “check” them and bring them back into line. There are several verses of the Qur’an that describe jihad in this manner. One example:

“And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
the earth would indeed be full of mischief;
but Allah is full of Bounty to all the worlds”
-Qur’an 2:251

Islam never tolerates unprovoked aggression from its own side; Muslims are commanded in the Qur’an not to begin hostilities, embark on any act of aggression, violate the rights of others, or harm the innocent. Even hurting or destroying animals or trees is forbidden. War is waged only to defend the religious community against oppression and persecution, because the Qur’an says that “persecution is worse than slaughter” and “let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression” (Qur’an 2:190-193). Therefore, if non-Muslims are peaceful or indifferent to Islam, there is no justified reason to declare war on them.

The Qur’an describes those people who are permitted to fight:

“They are those who have been expelled from their homes
in defiance of right, for no cause except that they say,
‘Our Lord is Allah.’
Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches,
synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated
in abundant measure…”
-Qur’an 22:40

Note that the verse specifically commands the protection of all houses of worship. Finally, the Qur’an also says, “Let there be no compulsion in religion” (2:256). Forcing someone at the point of a sword to choose death or Islam is an idea that is foreign to Islam in spirit and in historical practice. There is absolutely no question of waging a “holy war” to “spread the faith” and compel people to embrace Islam; that would be an unholy war and the people’s forced conversions would not be sincere. Is that enough for you Mr.Ashish??

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 2:22 am
“Don’t be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah’s) enemy. 60:1″
@ Brother Ashish – Reply4 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
The Original verse from quran is with stars***
***60:1 O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.***
Related to this verse My point of view is as follows referring to superior authority on Islamic knowledge (Ibn Taymiyyah)
“Imitation generates friendship and love, and regarding them as allies in the inside, just as loving them on the inside generates imitating them on the outside.” Allaah tells us that there is no (true) believer who takes a nonbeliever as a friend, for whoever takes a nonbeliever as friend is not a believer. Imitation on the outside implies that a person loves (the one whom he imitates), and so it is forbidden.” ..Read the above quotation again and again. It clearly states that I should not follow the Imitation which is out of the boundary of Islam. If I am your friend you are drinking wine..due to your friendship even I starts imitating drinking Wine( that,s prohibited), You are beating somebody without any reasons I will also imitate due to love towards you (that,s prohibited). Until and unless you are not hurting any of my beliefs and you are internally motivated towards learning good things from me It is always welcome. Even after listening to all the good path still If you continue with ur wrong motives thats the point I have to move away or stay away from you..It doesnt mean that “Dont be friends with disbelievers”..In My point It has to be taken as “Dont be friends with the attitudes which slowly kills your faith from disbelievers” (If I am not wrong). Allah Knows Best.

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 2:33 am
@ Brother Ashish – Reply5 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
Note : As I am running out of time and its already midnight I couldnt answer all your questions and my point of views..But sure I will get back to you and answer all your questions Insha Allah.

Rajeev Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Amjad,
A very simple question for you. If Allah knows best then why do you guys kill people using blasphemy law. Let you Allah fight blasphemers. Is he impotent to save his and his maniac Mohammad’s arse?

ashish Reply:
January 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am
First of All, the surah 109 is a meccan surah which was ‘revealed’ when Muhammad did not have many followers and was not strong enough to attack anyone so in comparison with the medinan suras(2,5,9 etc), its language is less offensive. There are verses which contracdict Surah 109 and an Omniscient God cannot be contradictory.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
For example if I feel that God does not exist and am trying to convince you to be one, am I supposed to be killed. The above verse declares that you should not befriend me if I try to argue logically with you as I am trying to bring you on a level with me.

2:62 says that there is no need to fear for all those who believe in the last day and Allah. Then what about Atheists and Hindus??? And anyways,

3:85 And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.
5:72 They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

Even if we consider for the sake of argument that Allah is OK with all kinds of Monotheists, what about the polytheists and atheists?

And the Sword Verse: 9:5 If you read the verses 1-4 of the same surah,

9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty.
9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance).
9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,
9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).

These verses clearly state that it was Muhammad who broke the peace treaty and not the polytheists. The order for “Freedom from obligation from the treaty” came from Allah and not the polytheists/pagans. So here, Muhammad is clearly the aggressor. The sacred months refer to sequential months, the months of the treaty.According to Ibn Saad, Ibn Ishad and Hadith of Bukhari, the Prophet sent Abu Bakr as in charge of the HAjj in the ninth year of the Hijra whereupon he informed of these verses to the pagans/polytheists declaring Freedom of obligation from all treaties with the polytheists.

Your interpretation of 60:1 states the same thing – Non-Muslims an Muslims cannot be friends. Because being friends with non-muslims, muslims will be inclined to disbelieve. So clearly your interpretation of Quran forbids friendship with non-muslims, whatever the reason. It does not mean that we can co-exist. It only asserts self-righteousness.

9:19 states that spreading Islam is more important than helping the poor. Which means, providing water to the pilgrim which is an act of goodwill is not equal to striving in the path of God. But what is striving in the path of God? For that we can pick any verse from the Quran as all verses are said to be in harmony with each other.

9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.
8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah.

Is this what you call ’striving in the name of Allah’?

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 12:36 am
@Moderator
I already posted my Reply but the Moderator deleted I dont know why?
I am not here to abuse any other religion or others beliefs..You can check all the posts of mine in this site Even whatever mentioned is thru prior knowledge and authentic reference. Even whenever I quoted any other religions topic I quoted through authentic books and websites. I am not simply writing some thing to hurt other,s feelings…

Amjad Khan Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 2:18 am
@Ashish
First of all I am not here to bash any other religion beliefs and following without my prior knowledge about the topic Or simply defending My own religions topic without clear knowledge about that. In otherwords Halfbaked knowledge and understandings (Interpretations) are more dangerous than that of wihtout having knowledge. For your All your questions I can logically answer simply it kills my time and my work environment has restricted time for spendin time with Internet. And In a clear way By all your posts I can understand that whether you have read the Quran or not ..But you are having the very good knowledge to attack it without knowing prior knowledge about that. For All your questions about why some quranic verses are harsh and what is the meaning for striving in the way of Allah? for that you can find all the answers in following site : http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/maududi/ . To be frank In My opinion you can use the Knife in two ways either to cut the fruit or to kill somebody. The Interpretation comes out only by self soul searching. Here I am not converting somebody to Muslim or Preaching which is even I am not having self knowledge about it. Islam clearly states that For the Humankind If somebody doesnt take their own step towards self soul searching you have to argue and pinpoint all the negatives around you In other words other than your way everything looks negative. The option is upto Mankind. Still you can Misinterpret so many verses even after this..To be frank I am not scholar to search and answer all your questions..The message I have to share that part I have completed. Still If you are having any arguments go to the above mentioned website compare why and when and to whom the verses got revealed? Then you will find the consequences. Here I am not concluding any win or lose by arguments but the real message has to pass..I tried my level best.
Allah Knows Best. As per the Quran : “Noble Quran 109:6 “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.””. Still you want to continue your Misinterpretations as Always welcome (As expected)

ashish Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
@Amjad OK,we have spent a lot of our time on those comments but we will end it here. Sorry if I hurt you personally because I did not intend to do so. I just wanted to attack the intolerant doctrine called Islam and I feel I have not misinterpreted the verses but just presented them as they are. I will surely go to http://www.islamcity.com as you are saying but please you too visit faithfreedom.org… Thank You.
jay

i am here quating from hussain Understanding the Fanatic Mindset of Hindu Terrorists who use the following verse 1.40 . sure this hindus should learn from pakistan and afganistan and yemen because these hindus are so stubborn they did not want to listen to muhammed and they dont wanted to get converted. but look at afganistan the ladies are now going to school

[Reply]
http://- Rajeev

After Radia controversy it is becoming increasingly clear that our so-called democracy is in the hands of mafia minded leaders like Sonia and their mafia media slaves like NDTV and HT.

The journos have now become so shameless that they refuse to answer simple question. One shameless journo is still hosting shows on NDTV, another into temporary hiding so that Indians forget all and another one bravely but shamelessly posting congress propaganda day in day out.

I think India is in grips of all kinds of terrorism starting from financial to media to political to religious to Aata-Dal-Chawal…

In religious riots, hundreds may be thousands are killed but due to financial and food corruption, millions lose their hard earned money and unfortunate one go to bed with empty stomach.

It is time we identify these terrorists among us and show them who is the boss.

[Reply]
ashish

In short it is a freedom struggle for Hindus. The rule is corrupt(scams), foreign(Italian), policies are anti-hindu(Haj subsidy civil lay etc), conversions go on freely, divide and rule is being employed(just like Britishers) and importantly Hindus do not have a voice. Starting a news channel of our own is a necessary step to freedom from this Congress I (Islami-Isai)

[Reply]
Amjad Khan

“Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars. 9:19″
@ Brother Ashish – Reply3 [RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE IN ISLAM]
The Original verse from quran is with stars***
***[9:19] Have you considered the watering of the pilgrims and caring for the Sacred Masjid a substitute for believing in GOD and the Last Day, and striving in the cause of GOD? They are not equal in the sight of GOD. GOD does not guide the wicked people.***
First You have to think on which occasion this verse got revealed from almighty Allah it comes like this….
It has been narrated on the authority of Nu’man b. Bashir who said: As I was (sitting) near the pulpit of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), a man said: I do not care if, after embracing Islam, I do not do any good deed (except) distributing drinking water among the pilgrims. Another said: I do not care if, after embracing Islam, I do not do any good deed beyond maintenance service to the Sacred Mosque. Another said: Jihad in the way of Allah is better than what you have said. ‘Umar reprimanded them and said: Don’t raise your voices near the pulpit of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) on Friday. When prayer was over, I entered (the apartment of the Holy Prophet) and asked his verdict about the matter in which they had differed. (It was upon this that) Allah, the Almighty and Exalted, revealed the Qur’anic verse:” Do you make the giving of drinking water to the pilgrims and the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque equal to (the service of those) who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive hard in the cause of Allah. They are not equal in the sight of God. And Allah guides not the wrongdoing people” (ix. 20). This tradition has been narrated on the authority of Nu’man b. Bashir through another chain of transmitters
Sahih Muslim 20:4638
Is that enough? Means Before this verse Revelation there was a discussion between the men of Islam how they want to lead a life after embracing Islam?; So One man says Even I dont mind distributing water to the pilgrimages till my whole life!! another says that I will do service to the sacred mosque till my whole life!! Another said that Jihad is the Better way. When this matter comes in front of the prophet(PBUH) then comes this verse got revealed. Even If you consider “Jihad” OR “who believe in Allah and the Last Day and strive hard in the cause of Allah.” is violencein the sense In My point of view the meaning of JIhad is as follows:
Question: What is Jihad?
The word Jihad stems from the Arabic root word J-H-D, which means “strive.” Other words derived from this root include “effort,” “labor,” and “fatigue.” Essentially Jihad is an effort to practice religion in the face of oppression and persecution. The effort may come in fighting the evil in your own heart, or in standing up to a dictator. Military effort is included as an option, but as a last resort and not “to spread Islam by the sword” as the stereotype would have one believe.
Answer: The Qur’an describes Jihad as a system of checks and balances, as a way that Allah set up to “check one people by means of another.” When one person or group transgresses their limits and violates the rights of others, Muslims have the right and the duty to “check” them and bring them back into line. There are several verses of the Qur’an that describe jihad in this manner. One example:

“And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
the earth would indeed be full of mischief;
but Allah is full of Bounty to all the worlds”
-Qur’an 2:251

Islam never tolerates unprovoked aggression from its own side; Muslims are commanded in the Qur’an not to begin hostilities, embark on any act of aggression, violate the rights of others, or harm the innocent. Even hurting or destroying animals or trees is forbidden. War is waged only to defend the religious community against oppression and persecution, because the Qur’an says that “persecution is worse than slaughter” and “let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression” (Qur’an 2:190-193). Therefore, if non-Muslims are peaceful or indifferent to Islam, there is no justified reason to declare war on them.

The Qur’an describes those people who are permitted to fight:

“They are those who have been expelled from their homes
in defiance of right, for no cause except that they say,
‘Our Lord is Allah.’
Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another,
there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches,
synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated
in abundant measure…”
-Qur’an 22:40

Note that the verse specifically commands the protection of all houses of worship. Finally, the Qur’an also says, “Let there be no compulsion in religion” (2:256). Forcing someone at the point of a sword to choose death or Islam is an idea that is foreign to Islam in spirit and in historical practice. There is absolutely no question of waging a “holy war” to “spread the faith” and compel people to embrace Islam; that would be an unholy war and the people’s forced conversions would not be sincere. Is that enough for you Mr.Ashish??

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sarah

sharma,remeber the nero comment by justice khare which applied far more to kashmiri pandits,sikhs and umpteen communal riots starting from 1947

but he said it for modi and that was playing to the media mafia gallery who along with teesta and its congie bosses seized on it??and u were dancing with joy and now u r hiding the clean chit to modi…

it is ur corrupt secular judges who were playing to the gallery and were apppearing on media 24-7 freely to u r applause..

do u atleast have amemory…remeber khare who called modi nero…and was promptly rewarded with abadmashri just like ur freinds rajdeep teesta barkha,dua,mfhusain

these judges r making comments and u dont like it and this shows in ur hiding their comments and the downplaying byb congress media mafia..

khare and justice bannerjee caling godhra an aaccident was 24-7 breaking news
to be tomtommed till eternity just like gujarat 2002 post godhra only..

sikh riots to be hushed up..

even a kid knows rules r the same…

but u secular mafia r something else…
both hopeless and shameless

ask any common sene person and he will say khare shuld be asked why do the courts
fail to deliver justice??? who is nero???

the court which is not doing its duty and not modi who is doing his duty and
delivering…but as said u seculars r a unique virus eating off india…

to keep her backward and looted by ur congress bosses

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Amjad Khan

@Ashish
First of all I am not here to bash any other religion beliefs and following without my prior knowledge about the topic Or simply defending My own religions topic without clear knowledge about that. In otherwords Halfbaked knowledge and understandings (Interpretations) are more dangerous than that of wihtout having knowledge. For your All your questions I can logically answer simply it kills my time and my work environment has restricted time for spendin time with Internet. And In a clear way By all your posts I can understand that whether you have read the Quran or not ..But you are having the very good knowledge to attack it without knowing prior knowledge about that. For All your questions about why some quranic verses are harsh and what is the meaning for striving in the way of Allah? for that you can find all the answers in following site : http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/quran/maududi/ . To be frank In My opinion you can use the Knife in two ways either to cut the fruit or to kill somebody. The Interpretation comes out only by self soul searching. Here I am not converting somebody to Muslim or Preaching which is even I am not having self knowledge about it. Islam clearly states that For the Humankind If somebody doesnt take their own step towards self soul searching you have to argue and pinpoint all the negatives around you In other words other than your way everything looks negative. The option is upto Mankind. Still you can Misinterpret so many verses even after this..To be frank I am not scholar to search and answer all your questions..The message I have to share that part I have completed. Still If you are having any arguments go to the above mentioned website compare why and when and to whom the verses got revealed? Then you will find the consequences. Here I am not concluding any win or lose by arguments but the real message has to pass..I tried my level best.
Allah Knows Best. As per the Quran : “Noble Quran 109:6 “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.””. Still you want to continue your Misinterpretations as Always welcome (As expected)

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usman chaudhry

@ashish

Your idiocity cannot be defined in any dimension it is limit less not quantifiable… so i cannot describe what you or your thoughts portray.

I had put a simple litmus test … rather than asking me to come up with any of violence quote from hindu religious scriptures you claim more knowledge about inter religious study so you should have come up with atleast some of your personal reasoning rather than following faithfreedom. I wont repeat a sequel following your trail. Firstly, i dont have any knowledge about sanatan dharam, secondly, i do not think copying from propoganda sites will fulfill or satisfy my needs to defend my stance by blaming and quoting something for which i have no knowledge as it is not a wise call.

Please spare a thought for difference between sanatan dharam and abrahamic religions. or even bring out commonality.

@Rajeev
God is all in power to handle not one blasphemer but whole lot of it, even if it takes whole of human kind to revolt/curse His existance. Dont invite that wrath it will not spare a single of us irrespective believer or non believer.

@Amjad
Good job.

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ashish Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
What is the truth is the truth. No matter whoever says it. No muslim or Islamic Scholar has been able to refute Ali Sina’s arguments, not even Zakir Naik. If you believe what I am saying is misinterpretation of verses then refute my arguments rather than saying silly things like I am copying from faithfreedom or anything else.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:43 am
Ashish,

Firstly we need to understand the chronology of all the religions. Islam is one of the last major religion that came in course of time (exception to Sikhism). Oldest of all being Sanatan Dharma (more suitable to our ears as modern day Hinduism), Paganism (polytheist, like Roman and Greek mythology), Neolithic age being solar deity (egyptians and ancient jordanians, byzantine, proto-indo), Buddhism, Shintoism, Jain mat, earlier Monolethic family Judaism/Christianity, Zoroastrianism and then Islam. Nearly all religion describe existance of one commonality despite variance in other beliefs i.e. GOD. It comes with various other names like Bhagwan, Ishwar, Khuda, Allah, Raab, God …etc all point to same deity. This is what the religious scripture Holy Quran describes. One GOD. your God my God and one omnipresent and all mighty. The dharmic religion like Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Jainism, Sikhism preach/teach humanity and teachings set forth by one preacher to all subjects doesn’t put restriction as strict as abrahmic religions (because it is believed to be word of God that demands strictness and obedience). Like we witnessed Moses/Aron had from pagan Phroah, David against Romans.

It then defines the existance and creation of heaven and hell (swarg and narg) and earth, and the reason of its creation (six days .. .common both in biblical scriptures) serious criticism to polytheist who seek same existance of God in creations of God like Ram, Shiva, Ganesh, Sun, Goddess of love, Zuis and any scripture form if it takes. Why? because it the one diety (your and my master) does like a competitor and has purposly created us for its recognition. Sounds silly isn’t it? Then it had to criticize the very amongst us who do not believe in God (athiest), those who associate son, wife (christians), think they are God’s chosen and loveable (Jews) and the very believers (muslims) who think they can achieve all without serving the purpose and knowing well what is the meaning of this world. So islam is a message. If you refute this argument we can proceed from here on and i’ll then explain the very pick and choose of your selection. Else, i am just waisting my time and we can go separate ways.

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ashish Reply:
January 26th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
@Usman This will be my last comment here as I have spent a lot of time writing comments on this particular blog. This rather than being a criticism of Islam is a comparitive study of God in diffrnt religions as I see it.I myself though a Hindu am not a polytheist. But for the layman it may be alright to pray to idols as they are just different forms of the one God. And I feel that there is nothing wrong in it and there is no reason someone should burn in hell eternally for doing it. Finite actions cannot have infinite consequences. According to Islam, God is not omnipresent. So, how can he be formless? He IS present at some place so he has a form. The idea of God in Vedic Hinduism is that he is onmipresent and formless. He exists in everything, in the nature, in our hearts, in every material object and so naturally even in idols. This is not adding a partner to the one God. Even Muslims have to pray at the nearest direction of Mecca. So that is idolatery. Just as Hindus have small idols of different deities, Mosques are huge idols of Allah. 39:67, 38:75 and many other verses describe about Allah’s hands, shin etc. And verses in Quran say that those who die non muslims will go to hell(2:161, 2:217). So, why the people whom Allah created before revealing the Quran with no fault of their should go to hell? Atheists are those people who demand a scientific proof for everything. They use the argument that as Science is developing, phenomenon which were attributed to God are being explained scientifically. They ask the religions to prove that God exists than proving themselves that God does not exist. I do not think that such questioning amounts to hell. Is God so irritable and short tempered that he will get angry just because some people do not pray to him? I don’t think so. Quran describes a hell for disbelievers where Allah enjoys torturing people for little fault of theirs and that very core belief of Islam is what I dislike the most. Self righteousness. No more comments from me. Thank You.

Vinay Reply:
January 27th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@Ashish,

It amuses me when a Hindu, who has not bothered to read what is written in his own holy book (Gita), claims knowledge of Quranic verses and attacks Islam on the basis. When Azhar quoted a verse from Gita saying it denotes violence, you did not know what to say. Instead you chose to write him “You should be defending the verses of Islam which I pointed out and not start blaming other religions”, which showed the shallowness of your understanding with Bhagvad Gita. You don’t know how to defend verses of Gita but claim superiority over others for not defending verses of Quran. Is that not it a double standard? (If God is omnipresent in Hinduism, didn’t we fight for Ram Mandir? There is contradiction is our faith as well.)

A human being will not become inferior or superior with knowledge of Gita/Quran. But if he has to either support or criticise any of the books, he needs to have a good knowledge of them. It does not appear to me, you know either of the holy books.

Keeping the faith aside, if we speak from historical point; Sanatana Dharm never needed to defend itself from any other religion. There was nothing other than this religion(/faith) (when Gita and Vedas were written). This is not the case with younger Islam. Apart from this (age difference), Abrahamic religions have “one God” concept (If what I worship is the “only God”, then how can some one else pray “some other God”?). This WAS the problem with “ALL” Abrahamic religions, everyone have fought over the superiority of their God. Luckily, Hinduism being polytheistic (According to me, this is the beauty of Hinduism), we escaped this route. Today, when all religious people have to exist together on the planet, everyone have adopted to presence of “muti God” system, except some fundamentalists, who wage Jihad over non believers. Today’s world (both muslims and non muslims) have to fight with these people (rather their believes), as the world has moved on from its medieval days. Please don’t dilute this confrontation by generalised comments about entire religion.

ashish Reply:
January 27th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
@Vinay
“I do not get how this verse of the Bhagawad Gita is even remotely related to terrorism. It is quite natural that if the women of the family get corrupted they will not give the correct ’sanskars’ to their children, thus proper upbringing of the son will not be done. How is this linked to terrorism?”
This was my response to Azhar if you had read my comment properly, you would have known. I have read the Gita and I know that there is nothing in it that prescribes violence against non-Hindus. Azhar ripped the word irreligion out of context. Its definition is different in Abrahamic religions and Sanatan Dharma. The West did not have a suitable word for ‘Dharma’ so they used religion. Dharma means a way of life. Religion means a system of faith in God. Religion demands adherence of the followers to the book and the prophet. Irreligion is not doing that. Dharma is a vast term . Adharma does not mean not praying to a particular God but not performing ones duties properly.
I am alright with polytheism but am not a polytheist. But I believe in ‘many ways to one God’ concept. That makes me a monotheist. And Hinduism(A western term) covers Arya Samajis(monotheists who consider Vedas as the only revelation – Shruti and everything else its derivatives – Smriti) as well as polytheists who assign different functions to different Gods. I am closer to the Arya Samaj school of thought. I suggest you read Swami Dayanand Saraswati’s Satyarth Prakash and other works. So I consider myself a Monotheistic Hindu and at the same time am OK with polytheists. I consider temples as places where one can peacefully connect to God rather than where God resides. For me Saraswati, Laxmi, Brahma, Shiva, Vishnu etc are aspects of the One God than being different (as given in the Puranas which I largely consider myths). So, Hinduism is not a polytheistic religion, polytheism is a part of Hinduism. But no Hindu texts (be it the Gita, Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas) prescribe violence to those who do not follow a particular God or atheists. And that is its beauty. It is a very open, a very tolerant religion. And Islam is a religion which is the polar opposite of Hinduism. It is self-righteous, it does not believe in many ways to one God, it is not tolerant to those who do not follow it, and it is not open to reforms as Muhammad has asserted a number of times that he is the last prophet. The very essence of Islam is intolerance. Then how can we co-exist? A polytheist can include Allah among his many Gods but will a Muslim add the polytheistic Gods to Allah? A fundamentalist is a strong adherent to a belief. So, a Hindu fundamentalist is different from an Islamic Fundamentalist. So I suggest you do not generalise the term ‘Fundamentalist’ rather than asking me to not generalise comments about an entire religion. The essence of Hinduism(of all types) as well as of others like Buddhism. Jainism,Sikhism is tolerance, that of islam and the abrahamic religions is intolerance. This is not generalisation. About the temple, I feel that if a temple existed there and it was brought down to build a Masjid at the same spot, a temple should be rebuilt there. I do not need to tell you again what I consider a temple to be. It is a well known strategy of Muslims who like to hold on tightly to Islam and Quran to start talking about other religions to take the argument away from Islam. When I ask someone a question, I expect an answer to that question than a back-question. That is what I said to Azhar. Hope I made my point clear.

Vinay Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
@Ashish,
Gita 1.40 neither speaks about other religions (as what Azhar commented) nor speaks of the “Sanskar” a mother needs to give to her children. It subtly hints at the plight of society with war widows. (I am not Sanskrit scholar, but I do understand it a bit).

I feel, I don’t need to attack some one else’s faith, to defend my faith. That is my personal choice. You appreciate the tolerance of Hinduism, being personally intolerant towards a religion. That is your choice. Wish you good luck. I am quitting this thread.

ashish Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Unity is not one sided. An all out war is better than one sided unity. At least we know who our enemy is. So any faith that attacks another faith needs to be discarded. Islam is a danger to world peace. And I can only be an enemy to an enemy to peace. What I said about Sanskars was not the literal translation of 1.40 but an interpretation of it. It talks of women being degraded because the loss of their husbands(that being the consequence of the war as Arjuna fears). They become vulnerable which is not good for their offspring. So what I said about sanskars was an elaboration of the interpretation of 1.40.

Rajeev Reply:
January 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
STFU..I don’t care about you, your allah or maniac prophet. You Allah can not save his own a$$ forget about yours.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
January 26th, 2011 at 1:53 am
These talks are way beyond your level of comprehension. You shouldn’t really waste your energy.

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Rajeev Reply:
January 26th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
a bunch of arabic tribal ****…obviously it is below my intellect.
Only converts like you can understand such BS.
http://- Rajeev

There are only two major threats to world peace..one is Islam and other is China..
Mark my words…

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ashish Reply:
January 26th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
I perfectly agree with you. Communism is a great threat of which china is both a victim and a carrier.

[Reply]
Abu Ahmed

People appreciate purposeful Yatras, whether on foot or vehicle. Self-serving Yatras don’t cut much ice with the Janta, however much attractive be the media build-up.

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http://www.facebook.com/avinash.sethi Avinash Sethi

Rightly put that these politicians should reach the people every year. They should do pad-yatra rather than (five star) rath yatra, only then they may be able to understand the hardships of common man.

[Reply]
Kushal

Bittu Stores? I haven’t seen it, Sunila.

[Reply]
Anamika

Hi Kushal!

You should write that book…even if it is a collection of your blog posts….you write so well. Series of essays, posts, ramblings, musings – they’ll make a wonderful, wondeful book!

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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

Jayalalithaa may not be happy with prostrations alone, might like to have a stab at the premiership as well.

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Anonymous Reply:
February 4th, 2012 at 4:17 am
That is what ‘empresses’ are for.

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Anonymous

Sanghvi as usual is playing apologist for Congress. He is shifting all blame on DMK giving clean chit to Sonia and Rahul. What makes him think that Sonia and Rahul did not make money out of 2G scam?

Congress is also involved in CWG scams..Now Sanghvi will hold only Kalmadi responsible for this.

MMS may be an honest man but he has enabled corruption so that his bosses can make money.

The journos like Sanghvi can not defend congress shamelessly anymore. We still remember Radia tapes.

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Anonymous

@ Vir Sanghvi

Dr Manmohan Singh would have continued to rule well… but the advent of CHotta baba and his guru, Digvinash singh, made to Congress insult MMS to make Chotta baba look good.

In the end, the COngress looks like a third rate party willing to sell everything for votes. It makes fun of the policemen in the Batla house encounter, is willing to follow the Jinnah agenda to win elections in UP and calls Bin Laden “Osmaji.”

It deserves a kcik in the rump — whihc we will all give.

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http://profile.yahoo.com/R5S7U3VKZUK34HKY2NILPXRKRY Deep

Excellent analysis, write and read. And the truth of the matter.

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Abu Ahmed

The calculations of the UPA govt were quite simple: Let Raja make money for his bosses. Eventually he would be cuaght in the web and his crimes exposed. Judicial process would get rolling, licenses would be cancelled. This would lead to making auction of all natural resources to the the highest bidder a policy issue. Auctioning of 2G spectrum would recover all the losses and more for the UPA, thereby enriching the govt’s coffers. If not a moral, it will be legally clean and the finances of the country would improve. So, the UPA saved itself all these years, allowed Raja & DMK to be made the scape-goat (after all DMK got the lion’s share), and in the next elections it would be able to face the public with less tar and lesser fear of the voter. DMK alone is the Faustus which had paid the price already, UPA is setting the record and the budget straight after all and would come up trumps, despite Sangh Parivaar’s machinations

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Ravi

Balwant

I totally agree with you

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Anonymous Reply:
February 8th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Please dont spread hatred and lies here as u do everywehre. Otherwise I will ask Rajeev and Shenoy to visit this blog/

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http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

The concept underlying NCTC is sound. It should be taken up for serious implementation when circumstances are more supportive. The state police forces have their limitations and are certainly not equipped to effectively counter a problem which has such a large external dimension.

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Mohit

Mr Zia Haq is behaving media personal manager, just for some free bies from, Salman Khurshid, No doubt Mr Salman Khurshid is a good human being, no doubt about it, but as far as politician is concerned he has some shortcomings also one must accept that but writer here is blind follower of mr Salman Khurshid

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anil

[The general view in the Congress, I am told, is that Khurshid’s utterances while wooing Muslim voters in UP led to a “ c o m m u n a l i z a t i o n ” of the party’s electioneering platform and this hurt the party.]

Yes, he missed the under laying message that ” c o m m u n a l i z a t i o n of society is ok but not the “platform” that pays dividends and brings long term benefit.

Salman’s decisions are indeed short sighted, although, there is not much difference between what he wants and his party man/women want. Poor Salman! He should have grown up a bit!

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anil Reply:
May 20th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
[In other words, my question is what stops a politician from selling a policy-decision taken by his government to the electorate? At the cost of repeating, let me rephrase that once again: in a parliamentary democracy, what prevents a politician from highlighting his party’s affirmative action agenda? The short answer is, nothing.]

See above for answer where I said “communatization of society is OK” but not the “platform”.

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http://profiles.google.com/brazenecks007 pradeep kumar

Good place to write a biased article, just show your loyalties.

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Abu Ahmed

A leader committed to the all-round growth of India and all Indians is any day my leader, regardless of his/her name or religion.

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Abu Ahmed

Salman Khurshid’s problem is that he is too much UP-centric to wear a pan-Indian Muslim leader tag. If he wishes to lay claim over leadership of Muslims, he will have to at least visit central India, like Hyderabad, once in a while and also go to bangaluru, chennai, mallapuram – apart from Guwahati and Ahmedabad (if he is daring enough) and make himself aware of the Muslim issues there. Unfortunately, all these so-called Muslim leaders, either of the Congress or of the SP, cannot see beyond UP and are hampered with their frog’s-view and yet want party, people and country to accept them as great Muslim leaders – that is why they fail. That is why the Congress too have failed in UP – u cannot allow Narender Modi to continue in Gujarat while claiming to be a secular party.

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Abu Ahmed

Congress’s commitment to secularism leaves much to be desired – that is why they lost elections in UP. Instead of addressing this issue, they are searching for scape-goats. Narender Modi is a symbol of a politics where coming and staying in power is all that counts, mass murder or ethnic cleansing notwithstanding. Sorry – N Modi stands for the worst in politics. Gujarat was always an industrial & trading hub. N Modi tricked others in believing its success story to be his personal one – thats a slap on the age-old enterprising spirit & industry of all Gujaratis.

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Sumit Bose Reply:
May 24th, 2012 at 3:28 am
@ Abu, Your emotional rant flies in the face of logic.
Ethnic ( rather religious) cleansing has been aggressively persued by Islamic societes. Just look at the census figures of Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq Egypt, Iran, ndonesia, Malaysia etc etc. That brutal record should silence you, even if you are totally blank on the religious cleansing carried out so throughly in the Kashmir valley just 2 decades ago. But you rave and rant. The real reason, is that Hindus in Gujarat had collectively decided that they would not tolerate any more provocations from one paricularly nasty community.

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RajX Reply:
May 27th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
You rant against Modis massacre but you are quiet about a hundred times bigger massacre of nonmuslims in Kashmir. Shows that you are just another communal muslim. People have figured out now that Muslims are very different because the forces of arabization have successfully done their dirty deed on Muslims everywhere. So go on ranting for ummah but not for humanity. No secular person will believe that you are sincere.

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