BJP’s New Year gift for Pakistan?

So Hindus should see that Muslims are not alienated even though they involve in anti-national activities? BJP should do that and should do with force – behave like China man, have balls..

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If Mr. Vinod Sharma has solution of Kashmir than he should come forward. Why he is sitting their and giving lectures to others ? Basic problem with Mr. Sharma that he follow Pseudo-secularism and always criticize good things of others. From last 63 years we cannot find solution of Kashmir and specially from 1988 when Pakistan sponsored and supported by separatists leaders in Kashmir. Than why he is opposing hoisting of the TRICOLOR at Lal Chowk in SRINAGAR ? In last 63 years we cannot find a solution for Kashmir , whats that mean ? Are we forget that Kashmir is not part of INDIA ? Whatever motive behind of BJP’s plan to unfurl the tri-colour at Srinagar’s clock tower, but no one can object for this thing . EVERY INDIANS has right to unfurl The TICOLOR in every part of INDIA.
The main problem of Kashmir is unemployment , lack of good education, absence of Very strict punishment for Kashmir’s separatists leaders. And this problem is due to article 370. If you abolish article 370 and allow all other INDIANS to Invest in Kashmir than you will see changes in Kashmir prosperity and development in whole state.

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Dear mr. Sharma,

It was a little surprising for Omar abdullah to make the comment he made on flag hoisting. I remember Sharad Pawar telling that the “onion prices will rise” for the next few days before coming down – Almost giving a signal to the hoarders to hoard more. I got the same message from Omar.

Second – your article implies clearly that Indian muslims are somehow against flag hoisting in kashmir – this kind of mindset is very communal though it is made under the guise of secularism and harms the muslims. Let whoever, wants to host the Indian flag host it anywhere in India – Treat it as anyother event, and things will pass. As CM omar should have in a subtle and nice manner handled this issue. His statements have given the hoisting the publicity it need not have been given and is being fuelled by people like you.

I am waiting for the day when commentators stop speaking for muslims and speak for Indian… You all are beginning to sound like diggi raja.

thanks!

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Kashmir is with India for decades. If India feels so helpless to even hoist a national flag, what is the point in holding on to Kashmir? Either yield to separatists demands or assert, it belongs to India. No point in stating Kashmir is an integral part of India internationally and feel insecure inside India. Would agree with the statement “BJP is unmindful of the march’s implications on national security” but disagree when it is extended to “national unity”.

“Jammu Versus (Muslim) Srinagar spectacle — that retrospectively proved Jinnah’s two-nation theory correct ”
4 lakh Kashmiri Pandits forcibly pushed out of the Valley by intolerant muslims had already proven it before. It was not India which proved Jinnahs theory (Muslims and Hindus cannot coexist in one nation) correct. It was Pak and Kashmir which proved him right.
Putting blame on Nehru for Kashmir issue will not solve the problem. End of the day, nation has to own up its leader’s decision; good or bad. Pakistan can’t get away with terrorism by criticising Zia ul Haq. That nation is unable to get out of its bad reputation because of him. We should learn to deal Kashmir in a different way than just putting blame on Nehru.

Kashmiris being suppressed by India/Indians need to be countered logically. People of the “oppressed side” (according to Jihadis) should be encouraged to speak about the faults in Jihadi’s understanding and approach towards the issue.
Before UK/US attack on Iraq, were Kurds or Shias living very happily under Saddam’s chemical weapon attacks ? (True, US did not invade Iraq to favour them. Ultimately, whether they were relieved or not?) But none amongst them spoke about it after Saddam’s execution. They left it for
Bush or Blair to explain, Saddam was a dictator.
There are so many Kashmiri people working in rest of India (including Gilani’s son in Delhi), reaping booming India’s benefit. Not a single person among them stands up to Ms Roy’s claims “.. people have their finger-nails pulled out in order to say they are Indians”. They leave it for other Indians to defend India’s stand on Kashmir. If they fear for their life, they should be given security for standing up for India (It is not just Gilani or Roy who needs security).
Kashmir police recently made a claim of militants organising stone throwing incidents in Kashmir and chunk of this money (which goes to stone pelters) coming from the fruit mandi and the saw mills through extortion. Does these merchants feel happy to give money this way? Would they want these threatening goons to rule them one day? Then why, not a single person spoke against Hurriyat? Why Prof Abdul Gani Bhat’s speech, criticising hardliners approach towards silencing moderates or its reckless approach during Hartaal (politicising the deaths) gets such less media coverage compared to Geelani and Roy?

Ajmer Sharif or Samjhauta Express, everyone says punish the culprits whoever it is. But the way it gets interpreted is really strange.
“Many Muslims were wrongly arrested” : Agreed, there was an initial fault with the investigation.
“and are languishing in jails” : Are they still? Is there any proof?
“(These blasts) were part of an overall Sanghi conspiracy to communalize “secular minded” Hindus for electoral gains” : What is the basis of this allegation “by a journalist”? By the way, how is it linked to Kashmir?

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Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

You have omitted two other subjects on which the pseudo secular brigade never fails to show its righteous indignation and never fails to attempt to “milk”: the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi by Hindu fundamentalists and the Gujarat “pogrom”, in which, ostensibly 2000 Muslims were butchered by Narendra Modi, apparently single handedly. I do not know whether the omissions were deliberate.

When Uma Bharati went on a march to Hubli to hoist the national flag on a Republic Day, the seculars and their comrades went on an international campaign against the hoisting of the flag saying that Muslim sentiments would be hurt. (Mr. Tariq, please take note). She was arrested and there was deliberate firing by the government on the crowd, in which six people lost their lives. Even though the issue was handled most ineptly by the government, it was attempted to paste the blame for the murders on the Sangha Parivar. The attempt to paint the whole issue as one of Hindu-Muslim problem too failed, to the extent that Hindus didn’t rise to the bait and Muslim extremist elements gladly joined the congres-JDS camp. Poitically the BJP reaped rich dividends thanks to the machinations of Krishna and Deve Gowda.

The so called Sikh organisations are phantoms in the fantasy of chicken-hearted people. Even big Sikh terrorist organisations during the hayday of Sikh separatism had limited appeal even with the Sikh society. Your attempt to resurrect some of them will only boomerang on the psedo secular brigade.

Murli Manohar Joshi too unfurled the flag at Lal Chowk in 1992; then too the same fake arguments were advanced, but the country took the event in its stride. This time too, despite all pseudo secular attempts to paint a cataclysm, the thing will pass peacefully.

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Mr. Sharma,

Rather than questioning the BJP’s motives for the proposed march, you should have done us a favour by giving us a breif history about the symbolism of hoisting the tri-colour at Lal Chowk. This is the same place where the separatists used to hoist the Pakistani flag at their prime. By unfulrling the tri-colour at the same venue, Mr. M M Joshi in 1992 asserted that Kashmir truly belongs to India. The practice continued until last year when a muslim vote-bank politics playing govt. in power stopped it last year.

By the way, what do you mean when you say “as the saffron party pushes its communal agenda in the garb of nationalism”. Since when has unfurling the national tri-colour (in any part of India) has become a communal act? Do you have any precedence of such a thing in any other country of this world?

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Mr.Sharma as usual has taken congress line on this issue.
His advise is “Do not incite anti-national peaceful muslims you coward hindus else they will mow you down. I am keeping quiet because I am coward so should you. If tomorrow hyderabadi muslims object to tri-color, do exactly what I recommend..roll over and give muslims to rampage this nation…What a great sight would that be…muslims raising islamic flags all over India..secular India acheived where nizam-e-mustafa will be the final law”.

India should learn from China on how to deal with these ******** and do exactly what china did to separatist chinese muslims.

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Vinodji,

you have spoken about ‘extremists on the prowl’. Actually, during the recent armed and fully paid for stone-throwing conflict, most of the rented stone throwers were no different from extremists, all screaming azaadi, azaadi. Yet, an admittedly ham handed Omar Abdullah could corral them without much breast beating from the human rightists. Why then should you now show extreme anxiety, bordering on alarm about the safety of the BJP precessionists?

Your fear about “the procession triggering communal conflagration across the country” is artificial, if not totally false. Normally, a few deaths should they, god forbid, occur, of BJP suicide processionists, would no more than invite snide comments like ‘they asked for it’ and ‘it was waiting to happen’ and also ‘the BJP got their just deserts’ from the secualrists. Life would go on as if nothing happened. Remember the Hubli killings?

Therefore, Vinodji, please do not lose your sleep over this upcoming flag hoisting. You can easily rationalise that the BJP has lots of expendable foot soldiers to throw into this false battle and lose.

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News years gift to Pakistan.,

1)Digvijays comment on hindu terrorists resposible for Karkares death and participation in inaugration of a book which says 2611 was done by indians.
2)Rahuls comments that LET is not the biggest threat but RSS is.
3)Sharad pawars selling onions to Pak at 20 and importing it rather begging back at rs 50
4)congress bureau of investigation exonerating simi from samjhauta blast and framing aseemanand
5)Vinod sharma working 2 hrs extra on weekends to help congress look after pakistani interests…

Happy new year MR congress sharma:)

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Sharmaji,
Let us do a bit of “seperation of concerns” as we software people say.
1> Kashmir is not a “Muslim Problem” – Indian Muslims (I hate this term as Tamil Muslims , for instance, are much different from Marathi Muslims both in terms of their caste and social structures) have as much more or less to do with Kashmir as Indian Hindus (do we get the punch now ? Indian Hindus ? Not Gujjus or Marathis or Bhaiyyas Or well whatever….)
2> About Kashmir – a recent article at CounterCurrents (http://www.countercurrents.org/dixit090111.htm) by Meha Dixit explores further the kashmiri aspirations about “Azadi” to discover a strong and poplar demand for “de-militarisation” of Kashmir as the common denominator. A sentiment co-related by your own co-columnist Samar Halarnkar. By all accounts – “Kashmir turmoil” does appear to be a problem of our own making, something that demand correction and fixes (assuredly sounding reductionist here) from our own side. An sentiment echoed by the average Indian tourist visiting the valley.
3> Finally Pakistan – where does Pakistan figure in all this mess ? Why do we want to un-necessarily play footsie with sections of Pakistani Defence / Espionage establishment ’s fantasy about being “responsible” for playing out Kashmir ? Why lend un-necessary credibility where it is not due ?
4> And Finally BJP – Let them hoist the flag wherever they wish. Why bother at all ? Are they in a position to seriously foment trouble in Kashmir ? No, seriously – are they ? So why bother ? Leave them at it. Let them experience the un-precedented chill in Kashmir.
Cheers,
Mahesh.

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It does not matter what the motives of the BJP in hoisting the tricolor flag of India in Indian Kashmir. It is the given freedom of every Indian to do so without having to be questioned for that act.
To say that hoisting the Indian flag in an area that is trouble prone misses the point. That area was and is trouble prone long before the BJP got involved and the Lakshar E. Taiba orchestrated violent acts that were met with little resistance from New Delhi.
It is overtime for the Hindus to reclaim this land before it is completely taken away by the Lakshar E. Taiba and the Al-Qaeda, Pakistan and China.
The whole reason for the existence of Pakistan and her claim over Kashmir is based on religion, The war that ensued after India’s independence was a sectarian war and continues to be such. In this light the Hindus need to address the proxy war, the refugee status of kashmiri Hindus, and the role of Islamic terrorists in Kashmir as a war of religions.

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Despicable piedce of journalism by a lowly congress paid coolie in the filthy Indian media! This whoever Sharms clearly is trying to divide Jammu Hindus and Sikhs through the mud slinging on RSS of alleged “terror” links! Hello whoever beSharma, ever heard of “innocent till proven guilty” ? Or is it only applicable to moslems? Blasts after blasts killed 100’s of Hindus including small babies and women and you scoundrels in the media preached Hindus about tolerance and putting up with it but a few congress engineered/cooked up blasts that killed a few moslems, you impotents are out with daggers to finish off the opposition. You congressis always threathen the opposition through some fictitious allegations to stop them exposing the most anti-national party ever on earth. Do you have any shame left? You even have the balls to answer some of the comments here!

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All Six Million People of Kashmir Valley should come out and reject this deliberate provocation and humiliation. After killing thousands of innocent Kashmiris, now BJP wants to add salt to injuries. All 6 Million, every child, every woman every elderly person should come out on the streets to reject BJP’s fascism and chauvinism. It must be rejected fully and completely so that BJP terrorist understand for ever that Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and not the Terrorists from RSS and BJP. Message has to be unequivocal and unambiguous.

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What is with this nazi mindset, where anyone who doesnt agree with you is an anti national or a pakistani?

The points raised by Vinod are valid and worthy of a mature discussion. The fact is that the BJP raises such issues only when politically suitable. And where it can generate highest political mileage.

The love for the national flag seems shallow given their RSS masters had rejected this flag in the beginning and still refuse to hoist the tricolour or sing the national anthem. And speaking of the right to hoist a flag, no one denies this is a right, but what about the obligations that are attached to honoring this flag? Why cant this same bravado be extended to maoist and naxal affected areas?

Fact is, nationalism and religion can be a potent mix and history provides more than enough evidence of the large scale disasters this can cause. As a national party vying to be rulers, this behaviour while successful in the past, is hardly responsible or mature and is certainly fraught with danger.

Hopefully, even if the party and some of its less intellectual supporters continue to be excited about this misadventure, the people of india at large and specially those in kashmir will not get swept by the drama and play into their evil hands

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Please, this is not a BJP issue but a national issue. Srinagar is a part of India and Indians of different political hues should participate in the flag hoisting ceremony.

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@ Naveed Khan;
Hey Payre Naveed;
why you are so much agitated.
Along with Vinod, whole Congress is with you.
Nothing will change. have a nice sleep and let these
Indians bark as much as they wish.
They have been doing this since many hundreds of years and you muslims, bigots, will have your way ulitimately in conjuction with Vinod.

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It is such an irony that a national act of showing respect to our republic & constitution (flag-hoisting) on Republic day is fraught with such big dangers by the Chief Minister of J&K. No wonder, one can feel the pain & agony of the fragility & feebleness of the current State Govt. The issue is not about flag-hoisting on Republic day or praying to God what the insane separatists would do if such action do occur, the issue is about the importance of the idea: the state of Jammu & Kashmir is a part of Sovereign India just like the rest of 27 other states. If the separatists, Pakistan or a Hindustan Times Journalist have a problem with the event, they should have the courage, guts & bravado to stop one Billion Indians hosting One Billion flags at there respective homes, offices, cities, town, states to celebrate Republic Day and not let alone worry about Jammu & Kashmir. I think it would be pertinent for every Indian to stop celebrating republic day in any Indian state if Mr Vinod Sharma, Omar Abduallah, the Pakistani ISI, The Seperatists, Arundhati Roy & Company, dare to spread violence, through stones, guns, pens & swords. Its shame for India & Indians if we still succumb to slavery of our fears, apprehensions & mis-guided propaganda spread by even more weak terrorists of ideas & weapons.

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Bhai Vinodji…. Jara comments pad lo hinduyon ke aur muslims ke. I am bit amazed at your moronic justification. What one gets a sense here that muslims are against the hoisting the national flag in kashmir. I think hindus and muslims of india should prosecute you for dividing the two communities based on the hoisting of national flag. You are typical “Bhed ki khaal main bhadiya” and sole purpose of article seems to further the congress agenda. People like you are burden on nation. I am also amazed at the publishing standard of HT allowing to put this article as a neutral article. “How much will push your divisive agenda in the garb of secularism ??”

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Come on editor its only a laugh.They call Indians Slum dogs many times.

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This Vinod Sharma is a scum. I doubt if he really is a Sharma. Must be a illigitimate son of a Pakistani or Congress terrorist.

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Really? What business is it? How do you propose that WE Indians Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains deal with Islamic business? Even Americans are worried about their country as is the rest of the world. The world is at war , Muslims are the cause of it.

This is what an American think .. do a search on the internet for the article below and you will see how many Americans are worried, Then look at the UK and Europe, where women are abused by muslims. Wake up I say.

Islam does not assimilate into cultures; they dominate them & eventually conquer them, rendering their traditions and social values extinct. It’s the same tactics & methods Islam has used in their 1400 yr. history of infiltration, threats, violence & submission, to their never ending social demands, as they continue in their quest for world dominance.*** Pay less attention to what they say & more to their irrefutable actions. Islam already has a foothold here & we have terrorists living amongst us, planning their next attacks, right here on our soil, just as the hijackers did before 9/11, using our freedoms & liberties to achieve their evil agenda. There’s no such thing as a “moderate” Muslim, anymore than a moderate piranha, once the feeding frenzy begins, moderates will be nowhere to be found. Just as it is now, Muslims will never stand up for America, against Islam. To do so would mean an eternity in hell, for disagreeing with or doubting Islam. Don’t expect American Muslims to stand for America, above Islam, but you can be sure, if cartoons or anything considered bias against Islam is perceived, rest assured, they will come out en mass. A snake may shed its skin, but it’s still a snake beneath & the nature of the beast is to strike & kill. American Muslims will betray us to Islam, when the time is right & that time is coming, as America comes to terms with who the enemy really is. Moderate or radical, Islam is the enemy of the world, themselves & any non-Muslim. Islam does not assimilate into cultures; they dominate them & eventually conquer them, rendering their traditions and social values extinct. It’s the same tactics & methods Islam has used in their 1400 yr. history of infiltration, threats, violence & submission, to their never ending social demands, as they continue in their quest for world dominance.

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MR.VINOD SHARMA IS ,ONE PERSON ,WHEN WE SEE HIM AT PRO PAKISTAN CHANNELS ,ONE FEEL LIKE SWITCHING OFF.HIS PAPER IS CONGRESS TIMES.HIS WRITING FOR CONGRESS AND ON THEIR BEHALF IS NATURAL.
GOOD ARTICLE VINOD JI.

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I don’t rhetoric on this issue.

Reasons.

1. Indian flag is already flying over Kashmir. So whats the point ?
2. the action would imply that either the people of Kashmir, like NC leaders are not Indian enough or the flag flying there is not the real flag
3. I would think if some people of Bengal marched to Gujrat to raise the Indian flag, it would look odd and people of Gujrat would question the motives.

So please do not indulge in theatrics which can have negative implications.

@Vinod Sharma
The HT web-site is full of pop-ups ( the pop up for Shaadi.com if successful, I would have married about 100 times by now ) and viruses. Some browsers now give warnings when goint to httimes website. So please do something about it. The TOI website is equally bad, full of viruses and pop-ups. The Hindu website is much better regarding that point.

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@Navid Khan,
Do we have anathor dog from Pakistan ? We don’t welcome dogs on this forum.

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Excellent article Vinod Sharma jee. Exposes the pseudo-nationalism of the BJP vis a vis Kashmir

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Thank God Vinodji did not get Yedurappa into this !

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Dear Vindoji

if people would start fearing those bigots called separatists who never utter a word against pakistani brutality and who always spew venom on india then nobody in newdelhi can do anything cause.

will india state have to stop unfurling indian flag any where in kashmir if seperatists object?
Mr Sharma you dont find campaign during amarnath agitation communal?
Mr sharma do you feel what parties like National conference and PDP did during amarnath land row was secular agitation?
who raised pro pakistani slogans in kashmir during amarnath land row?

i feel Mr Vindo Sharma loses sleep when he talks about hindu fanaticism but he does not seem to worry about muslim fanaticism.

my only friendly advise to mr sharma is stop thinking like those congress guys

just stop talking and thinking like them.
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Vinodji,

you said, “@BV Shenoy
I am exasperated by your comments. It’s a hopeless argument. So I’d let it be.”

Frankly, I am no less exasperated than you are, but there is a divergence in our perspectives. Please permit me to elaborate.

After the recent ‘rent-a-stone thrower’ conflict, almost everybody in the valley seems to have become an extremist. Their hopes of getting azaadi have been raised sky high. Hoisting and flying Pakistani flags the year round seems to be taken as their God given right.

Our Indian society is looking on meekly, almost helplessly,with the hope- ill-placed though it is- that things will turn India’s way in the long run. Perhaps, you all subconsciously hope that Pakistan as an entity will explode/implode, sooner than later , which will leave these Kashmiri extremists bereft of a rich source of fake Indian money and also a God father. This is the secular view to which, you too seem to be subscribing, though, for reasons of pseudo secular compulsions, you will deny it vehemently.

But, you should, as a democrat concede the right of others to think differently. Others may think that Kashmiris are blindly following an Islamic agenda fuelled by Pakistan, which bodes ill for all of India and they may think it necessary to assert our right to fly India’s flag too even if symbolically. The BJP may be selling this idea to us Indians, but you cannot cry foul simply because it has come from that party.

You are anti-BJP and you have stated that you want he party destroyed. I am anti-congress, but I want the party NOT destroyed but simply rid of its dynasty hang up and its pseudo secular humbug. That is the difference between our two perspecives.

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Sharma

I know you do not like being called “old”; but you are beyond old.

Time for you to retire and read Ramayan.

To state that BJP should not raise the Indian National Flag in Kashmir on the Republic Day takes audacity. Either you are arrogant or you have Alzheimers.

How long are we going to stay under the shell of “it will offend Muslims, what will the Muslims think..”

Congress has destroyed this nation by creating Muslims, Hindus, Dalits, Reddys, Vaniyars, Tamils, punjabis.. The cunning ; and all its leaders,a s amply illustrated by Diggy are continuing this.

Muslims are grown up; they dont need any coddling, they want development, growth like anybody else. BJP is the only Indian political party that can offer that considering all as Indians and not Dalits, Tamils, Keralites etc.

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This Post reminds me that some time back when the Dalai Lama was to visit Arunachal Pradesh, a few “Specialists” on China , on the same side of the political /ideological divide as Mr Vinod Sharma Sirjee, had strongly advocated that the Govt Of India should gently advise the Dalai Lama not to visit Arunachal as we should not unnecceassarily provoke China. That those who support the Dalai ’s vist are ‘ jingoists “.On that issue thankfully the Govt of India did not buckle although we would not have been surprised if it had.
So the BJP’s resolve to raise the National flag at Lal Chowk , which could send a loud message to the seperatists as well as all countrymen would obviously be ” shameless theatrics ” to the Specialists on Pakistan and J & K . After all the Specialist had sometime back expressed his worry that if Omar Abdullah fails , then it could delay or even threaten the coronation of the self styled future PM of india.

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With the separatists realising and now publicly declaring that their fathers have been killed by Pakistan and ISI, it is time that they should also join the BJP in the march to hoist the national flag.

After all the Pakistani flag represnts murder, deciet, ISI, Blasphemy laws and dictatorships while our tiranga is a proud represntative of secularism, smiles, fairness and justice !!

I think the BJP should also announce a program for tri-furcation of Jammu , Labakh and Kashmir from Lal Chocwk. Let all idiots who are scared of hurting the feelings of the corrupt murderous. Talibani Pakistanis should go to hell…….

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Thank you for the welcome. Very gracious of you.

I returned to the blog because in between yoou had lost your touch by saying scandalous things like Vajpayee should be given Bharat Ratna etc !!! In this latest pievce you have returned to your best and hence the comment !!

BTW I tweeted a link to this blog on Twitter today. And it attacted lots of retweets. Rest assureed NONE were complimentary

One question – why are you NOT on Twitter? Fantastic place that.

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Instead of raising flag..
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The Indian flag is already flying over Kashmir and SriNagar. On Jan 26, The democratically elected, Kashmiri Chief minister of Kashmir, ll hoist the flag as part of Republic day ceremonies.

So , for those that want to march all the way to Sri Nagar to raise a flag, thats already raised there, I have a suggesstion.

1. Open a party office in Lal Chowk.
2. Recruit locals to your cause by spreading the message of Indian nationalism, roted in equality and freedom for all , so that they themselves if they so desire, can raise the flag everyday.

My point is do something meaningful instead of theatrics.

Indian army has been active in recruiting local Kashmiris and that has paid dividends.
The local police is 90% of Kashmiri Muslims. Yes they can be often inefficient or corrupt ( like in other parts of the country ) , but it does send a message that locals rule.

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Now this issue is becoming clearer after Arun Jaitley’s statement , reported in newspapers today , that this Govt is contemplating to alter the constitutional status of J& K, give it even more autonomy , and some far reaching changes in the adminstrative set-up. The Governor shall be called Sadar E Riyasat and the Chief Minister shall be designated Wazir e Azam. Something like this ought to have been anticipated after the choice of the Govt’s Interlocutors and the direction in which the interlocutors were moving.
If these are the plans of this Govt , the proposed March of the BJP and the flag hoisting at Lal Chowk becomes all the more important and should receive encouragement from all.

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The most dangerous game , the congress party have played in this country is the creation of pseudo secular policy in which it had reaped , no doubt , very rich electoral dividends , by ruling the country , for most of time , in last sixty three years . The congress party had looted us , all its poor people , the money which we pay to govt., the govt. which extracts it from us , by every means of our arm twisting . the history of our country is replete with stories , how cunningly the Congress party has deprived us the every part of progress which the country needs . The other fall out of pseudo secular policies is that there is very large scale of confrontation , between many groups. the staement of chief minister of J & K is funniest ever statement & more serious nonsense the blog of Vinod Sharma . The blog states the most dangerous policy statement which deters us from hoisting of national flag at Lal Chowk in Kashmir by making us to believe that Pak supported people in Kashmir will create Nonsense activities in response to the solemn ceremoney of Flag Hoisting by BJP on 26th Jan.’2011 . Shame on Us to hear such propounding theories , by few nonsense , anti national people .

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Yours heading of the Blog is not only funny , it is dangerous also . What you are implying that BJP is anti national which is gifting issues to Pakistan . I suggest you to keep your mind in proper & cool way while writing these Blogs . If there is any party which sells the anti India subjects , by dime a dozen , then it is that old hag , the Congress Party . The Kashmir problem which has reached now in very dangerous condition , where natives of Kashmir are fully enamoured by Pakistan , inspite of knowing very well that they will be decimated in Pakistan , if they ever merged with them . Do you know , how foolishly Nehru had taken the the camouflaged invasion of Pakistan in Oct.’1947 , to access the Kashmir when Hari Singh refused to assimmilate J & K with India , with signing instrument of accession as other states of India had done . When its territory was invaded by Pak supported so called Kabayalis , Hari Singh rushed to Delhi & pleaded for help . In the meantime invaders had controlled a significient portion of Kashmir . When Indian Army descended to fight back Pak soldiers , camouflaged as Kabayalis , they ran for cover but Nehru rushed to UN , inspite of then Army Generals to postpone the Un visit by few hours which the Indian Army needed to push Pak soldiers from Kashmir area , which is now known as ‘AZAD KASHMIR ” by Pak . Those few hours have cost us very very dearly , in terms of men & money , loss of reputation in International Community unnecessarily . The saga of – HINDI CHINI BHAi BHAi – by Nehru has same overtones of chicnery & foolishness . How China’ Premier then had made fool of India Premier , by invading NEFA & accessing thousands of acres of our territory . How Nehru’S staement in LokSabha that there is not a grain of grass blooming in annexed area of NEFA was condemned by one & all then . How , then , Parliament passed a resolution to take back the China annexed area in NEFA . but you , people like you , Congress led different types of GOvts. in last forty years . The saga of chicnery of Congress Party & its anti national activities is very very long . You are writing the blogs blaming others for the misdeeds of most corrupt party , the Congress Party , because the happenings in Kashmir now are because of Nehru , Shiekh Abdullah & people like you who are thinking only as chickens .

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~~~ ~~~ An open and shut letter to Vinod Sharma ~~~ ~~~:) ~~~~

Sir,

First the good part : A lot of people are here because unlike some of the other blog sites, you don’t censor comments.

Now the Ugly part ; Vinodji most of the bloggers out here are seeing through the Congress game and making fun of your insertions. Don’t you think that you are out of synch with the mood of the people and the reality in India today???

And now some career advise for me: Vinod ji I too want a Rajya Sabha ticket one day. Can you tell me what career steps I should take and what I sould say?? I actually dont want to hide corruption and loot. Do you think I can become a Rajya Sabha MP without hiding the ugly dynastic corrupt ways of the COngress ????

Awaiting your serious advise,

Your nephew

Vijay

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Dear Vinod Sharma ji

The title of your blog “BJP’s New Year gift for Pakistan?” again reflects your biased mindset. The biggest New Year gift to Pakistan has instead, indeed come from the investigating agencies of Samjhuata Express bombing. The premature leak of Swami Assemanand’s confession by the investigating agencies has given Pakistan an opportunity to equate 26/11 with this terrorist attack on the train. If you recall, SIMI activist Safdar Nagori who while in custody in 2008 had owned the responsibility for the Samjhauta Express bombing to the investigating team. Even the American investigating teams had named LeT and SIMI’s hand in these bombings. But our investigating team have now leaked the confession of Swami Assemanand in these bombings. So my point is which confession is credible?
It is like letting Pakistan make propaganda about Hindu terror to the extent to have called our diplomat in Islamabad to ask for the details and explanations about the progress of investigations in the Samjhauta Express bombing. The investigating teams of India have turned the tables in favour of Pakistan which has now become more proactive from being a defensive one What could be more better gift to Pakistan than leaking this confession of Swami even before filling a charge sheet. That way, BJP’s so called “gift” stands nowhere.
Regards
BNA

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Kashmir is part of INDIA as Delhi, Calcutta, Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad…….

It is the birth-right of every INDIAN to hoist TIRANGA in INDIA. Kashmir is a part of INDIA. Nobody should have a doubt in their mind that hoisting TIRANGA in Kashmir will be a problem.

Anyone who has a problem with TIRANGA in INDIA can buy a one way ticket out of INDIA.

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Dear Mr.Sharma,

I have read most of the comments and many of them reflect the arrogance and immaturity of the members of BJP on the issue of Kashmir.They only believe in theatrics and their plans to hoist a national flag at Lal Chowk on republic day,when there is a democratically elected government who will be doing this , could unnecessarily provoke an ugly response from extremists.I hope better sense will prevail.

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Mr. Vinod Sharma,

First of all you will not do anything to make our country strong, in addition to that you want to demorlise people who are patriotic. People like you are the real problem in India. What you want ? Those anti Indian will do stone pelting and we Indians should sit in our home and do nothing.

Kashmiris Hindu have ran away from kashmir, you want that, that everyone should ran away from problem, lets face the problem. let people should know that Kashmir issue is not only issue of few people who are pelting stone, let them know that more than a billion people in India accept it as their own land. Please try to think something positive and don’t be JAICHAND or MANSINGH.

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It is wrong, according to Mr. Sharma, to hoist your own national flag in your own country because “it would hurt sentiments”. No wonder he argues that it was wrong for people from Jammu to agitate against denial of land in Amarnath because, you guessed it, “it would hurt sentiments”.

It is because of the attitude of people like Vinod Sharma that India saw its greatest ethnic cleansing and displacement of five lakh Kashmiris from their homeland. Next step is to argue that it was proper to shift a few lakh people from their homeland because their continuance in the valley would have hurt sentiments. Go ahead Mr. Sharma, no one would be surprised if your ilk said that out loud!

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~~~ ~~ CONGRESS SPIN DOCTORS and PAKISTANI UMPIRES !! ~~ ~~

The Congress spin Doctors aka Manish Tewari, Manu SInghvi, Rajdeep sardesai etc etc are sounding more and more lilke the Pakistani umpires of seventies, eighties and ninties !!!

To explain my similie, look at the state of Pakistani cricket now and compare it with the situation when they had thier own umpires who cheated and players who tampered the ball. Those Pakistani umpires could make Pakistan win in any cricket and hockey match by giving “patriotic” decisions !!

But once ICC mandated nuetral umpires and ball tampering was banned and made punishable, Pakistani cricket just crumbled….

So it is going to be with the Congress, once the public gives its mandate !!

Till then I will only tell those jokers that your efforts to divert the aam aadmi’s focus away from loot, is just, “Dil ko behelane ki liye khayal achcha hai…..”

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Vinodji,

By the number of comments, by the level of acidity and causticity those comments have been hurled at you with, you would have had a fair measure of the sensitivity of the subject you have chosen to write on. You have really touched a raw nerve of the collective conscience of the people of India and sorry that I am, I cannot but feel that you have trivialised a noble idea by looking at it purely from the congress party’s low powered, but highly coloured looking glasses.

When even urchins in the Kashmir valley at the slightest instigation trample upon the national flag and/or burn it at will, when the whole of Pakistan is burning itself out with the all consuming passion of hoisting its green flag on the Red Fort, why do you trash the BJP’s move to hoist the national flag at Lal Chowk on the single occasion of the republic day? After all, it is only the national flag, not the BJP’s party flag or the Bhagava jhanda. And we know that it is merely symbolic. Why, then, so much anger, censure, abuse and tongue-lashing being thrown at the BJP?

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Mr Sharma

One can say cearly that indian government has blundered in the past while dealing with Kashmir. starting from Shri Nehru taking kashmir to UN and well in to last decade. i was some what pained by what mr Dileep Padgaonkar said about involvement of pakistan in resolving kashmir. i always feel pakistan would never allow a long lasting solution to kashmir..
whole world knows that paskistan’s interest lies in keeping kashmir burning.

you said in your article that the BJP does not have aright to speak for the valley because it has not won a seat from kashmir valley.it is natural that muslim majority kashmir valley would never vote for a BJP candidate.
i wish to ask you why are non BJP parties not ready to push for resettlement of pandits in to the valley. they kno fully well tha once pandits settle down in the valley . the BJP would naturally get a foothold in kashmir which the other parties like NC , PDP congress never want.

can you deny what i just said Mr Sharma?

i will write more once i get reoly from you.

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The PM chaired a meeting of the Cabinet on controlling Prices. There was so much build up in the Media about it that we all Aam Aadmis became hopeful that something meaningful shall come out of it. and finally we shall be able to get something for the kitchens .But by evening the Bulletins started reporting that it ended in a slanging match between the Ministers . The Rubber stamp PM lived up to his reputation that he was fit enough only to be put away as a Rubber Stamp once the stamping is done with. He went home.

The Congress Party’s ” PM in waiting ” said in UP that nothing could be done about Prices as it was a coalition govt. But goodness , who told him ? Digvijay Singh was not seen around. Soon, for a change, the Congress Party’s MOB was pelting stones at the Media and not the BJP. Please take note Sonia Quattrochi Gandhi has nothing to do with this issue because it is the PMs job to govern the country .

I pray do tell us what to do Mr Vinod Sharma ?

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@ Praveen Saxena

U r absolutely right !! Quotrochhi by himself is one unique currency !

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@Vinod Sharma,

I am sure you have friends in Ministry of External affairs. I would like to know what the foreign office thinks about the issue of Chinese issuing stapled VISAs to some Indians , beginning 2008.

China has been issuing stapled VISAS to Indian citizens of J&K and Arunachal Pradesh. India has protested numerous times, including at the highest level, without any change in Chinese policy.
As far as India is concerned, China is issuing stapled VISAs to some percentage of Indian applicants. India rejects Chinese reasoning.
Why does not India retaliate in a measured way after diplomatic contacts have failed so far.
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As far as India is concverned , China is issuing stapled VISAs to some percentage of Indian applicants. So why does not India retaliate now, by issuing stapled VISAs to similar percentage of Chinese applicants as a declared retaliatory measure ?

Is India’s soft approach and fear of taking any retaliatory measures, emboldening the Chinese and laying grounds for worse ? The Chinese would continue to push to see how far India can be pushed.
What’s India foreign office thinking on this ? Does the Congress Government, under whom this has begun, have a policy or plan ? It looks to me we have our head in the sand and wish the problem would just go away.

Hopefully you can interview one of the top officials at the MEA and give some insights.

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@ Mr. Chawla;
Sorry sir, i belong to an earlier generation, where your manner of delievery of message meant as much as message it self.
Not reading organiser or panchjanya does not make me less patriot. Giving respect to a person, holding opposite view, does not make us weak or lesser person. I am firm on my conviction and Vinod may be on his conviction. when I can change his convictions, only then I will feel, that I have scored a point.
Regards

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@ Vinod Sharma, Why are you scared about the peace leaving valley on 26th january. The peace leaves valley every summer anyways with easy cash flows from pakistan and reappears in winter when climate is harsh and fake currency is hard to come by.

There was a drastic improvement in Kashmir situatuion a few years ago till the Congress party formed coalation govt. with PDP and later NC. The first terrorist organization in Kashmir was Hizbul Mujahiddin who faught the elections but lost because of heavy rigging by the the then NC and Congress. At that time there was no T.N Session and we know how elections used to take place. It was Congress which drove kashmiris away from India with a systematic rot and rigged elections. Ofcourse not to forget the role of Nehru.

My problem with lowlifes like you is that you don’t support Congress for idealogy. If it was your secular ideology, then you could have said something about Digvijay Singh chairing the release of book called “26/11 RSS ki Saazish”. See if you had problem with communal politics you would have condemned it. Or do you really think that 26/11 was indeed RSS’s work. You never speak against these communal politicians of congress party. So don’t claim to be liberal or secular for that matter.

People like you always make fools of innocent Indians by comparing apples and oranges. You will compare one lakh bribe by Banguru laxman with one lakh crore bribe by your congress party. You will compare one communal riots under BJP with the genocide of Nazis by Hitler while keeping mum about more than 20 big communal riots in India after independence in which atleast 100 people were killed and most except one under congress rule and most happening when BJP was a non entity. Your affinity with congress is not idealogical Sir. It can be political, financial or something else but not idealogical coz not even the congress knows what it stands for. If I am not right then what are the congress party’s views on article 370 and autonomy to kashmir. We know BJP wants abolition of article 370.

I read your paper yesterday and today, there was no news about an event called Vibrant Gujrat taking place which was partnered by Japan and Germany, which drew attendence from representatives of 70 countries and which got MOU’s worth $400 billion signed in two days. ($400 billion is approximately 1/3rd of Indian economy) I saw news about Rahul Gandhi’s views on price line, Ashmit patel having no link up with Veens Malik and some more overdose of Aseemanand etc. etc.

People like you will be all praise for Manmohan Singh for opening Indian economy but do you mention who had closed the Indian economy??Was it RSS or was it the blood sucking leeches of Congress Raj who for the sake of benifiting from Licence and Quota Raj had kept India shakled and had to open the economy because India under Manmohan Singh and PV Narsinha Rao could no longer pay to buy its imports.

They are not chamaleons atleast. They don’t change color like you Congressis do. We know what their belief on article 370 is. We know what their belief on uniform civil code is. What we don’t know is congress party’s pilicies. We just hear empty sloganism and rants of the sacrifices of Gandhi family. They all had a undeservingly great life surrounded by sycophants and chamchas enjoying the power and money sucked from the 30% poor in India still living on less than Rs20 a day.

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congress timeless love to pakistan, divert 26-11 blame to hindus
who were most victims for all terror actions under congress for last 6 years..

wiki leaks showed how congress was playing votebank politics with 26-11
by creating saffron terror….us ambassador said this in secret cable..

and this blogger was hiding under a table as usual when he cant answer
or may be making childish puerile noises like he does here when he cant answer

and this s

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~~~ ~~~ WHY CONGRESS LOVES GANDHI SO MUCH !!! ~~~ ::D ~~~~

India’s currency notes now have a picture of Gandhi. So whenever a Congress man says he loves Gandhi, you cn bet your bottom rupee that it is the 1000 rupee note he is talking about

We can further conclude that as per the new terminology

1 lac = 1 peti
1 crore = 1 khoka
500 crore = 1 koda
1000 crore = 1 radia
= Congressmen who love Gandhi 1000 crore times

10000 crore = 1 kalmadi

= Congressmen who love Gandhi 10000 crore times
100000 crore = 1 raja

= Congressmen who love Gandhi 100,000 crore times

any larger amount beyond counting = 1 pawar

= Congressmen who love Gandhi to the power of pawar ! 

1 Quotrochchi = Congressmen who love the fake Gandhi’s who fleece money from Defence deals and fertilizers meant for poor farmers and keep it in Swiss banks.

PS== Fake Gandhis were originally Gandys, a word originating from Gandha or perfume as they sold perfume and groceries in Bombay. Nothing wrong in it. However, changin Gandy to Gandhi, to fool the innocent public of India is… well a joke !!

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Vinodji,

You have said, in reply to Dr. B.N.Anand, “Your comment reads like a rehash of what the RSS-BJP have been saying since the Aseemanand case came to light. In fact, you are a step ahead in declaring the so-called Swami and his associates innocent. For your information, a statement under section 164 of the CrPC is tenable in a court of law and cannot be ignored. I repeat that a confession under 164 is credible before law.”

May I throw a little more light on this “cannot-be-ignored” section of the law?

“Aseemanand’s ‘confession’ per se needs to be corroborated with independent evidence for a successful prosecution”——–

This “clarification” has been given By HindustanTimes itself today, in an article by none other than the Czar of secular editors, Rajdeep Sardesai.

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As regards the Malegaon case for which now the alleged Confession recorded under sec 164 of the Cr PC of Swami Aseemanand is now being touted around , what about the Mumbai ATS , which is still holding some Muslim boys in custody. Mumbai ATS which certainly is not reporting to a Communal govt has also produced some evidence before the court to obtain custody of those persons.
Now what do we infer?
It is settled law that a Confession is not sufficient to secure a Conviction. A Confession which is recorded under sec 164 is also open to challenge that it was obtained under Duress , Force, Inducement or Mistake.
As for the credentials of the Congress Govt ,can we forget the ST. Kitts Forgery Case ? Can we forget how the Enforcement Directorate officials had fabricated documents , got them attested by Consulate officers in US ,at that time and built up that case? Can we ignore how the CBI keeps changing its stance on various cases like a pendulum? Can we ignore the remarks made by Supreme Court against the CBI in so many cases?

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The Delhi Development Authority removed a structure which was blocking the road and had been constructed illegally. This happened to be a masjid…

I am betting my last rupee that wow the drama will begin.

In the next few weeks….

— Digvijay Singh, mulyam and Amar Singh will go into mourning and call it a BJP conspiracy

— Poets, failed writers and publicity seekers will come to the site and declare it a national monument as important as the Lal Qila and Konark temple.

— Congressmen and their chamcha presswallas will call for creation of a new Masjid, there, bigger
than the Windsor palace

Before anywaone calls me communal, let me remind you that DDA is a body controlled by the Congress lead government at the centre !

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@ Vinod Sharma

“Why are you fixated on that young man. Hope you are normal and have none of the preferences of shakha goers. ) — your comment

Vinodji you have to admit that section 377 was re-appealled at with extra-ordinary haste. In fact, much before comprehensive action on food security and national security were taken. At whose behest?

Now there is “one young man”, whose name is not linked to any woman, and does not show any interest in girls and marriage….

And he spends nights in huts in far off places with equally chikna British foreign secretary. And both of them joke around too…

He also loves dining at Rohit Balls ‘ resturaunt– where gays often flock….

Sir, being a seasoned editor, can you inform us “ki kuch daal mein kaala toh nahin?”

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Vijay
Kya tum uska zikr kar rahe ho jisko Lucknow mein Nawabon ka shauk kehte hain. Kya woh woh shauk farmatey hain?

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Vinodji,

You have said, “HT as a newspaper played a role in the freedom struggle. RSS didn’t. It conspired in fact to kill….you know whom? The Sanghis also eulogise Nathuram Godse.”

Three points:

1.The RSS was accused of killing the original, true Gandhi, but was acquitted of the charge by the SC, when there was no CBI to cook up evidence. In recent times, the two fake Gandhi copies were killed by their own creations: Bhinderanwale and LTTE.

2. In an earlier post I had requested you to use your influence and personal equation with Sonia Gandhi and get the RSS banned a fourth time, even if on flimsy, frivolous and cooked up charges, since each of the earlier three bans on “real” evidence” was thrown out by the Supreme Court. And the RSS, without doubt, has gained in strength through the years and has become a part of the national mainstream, which, you will surely agree with me, cannot be tolerated.

3. About the RSS not ‘taking part’ in the freedom struggle, according to the congress ‘historians’, even Bhagat Singh and Netaji Bose didn’t take part in the kind of “freedom struggle”, in which HT took part.

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@ Vinod Sharma,

Well while I have no problems with section 377 types, even though I sort of pity them for being that way. Well I think Homosexuality is a problem which happens because peer pressure and bullying in boarding schools like Doon. Or by boredom and over exposure to hetrosexual sex from early teen years– as we see it in the West.

Unfortunately Vinodji, people who oppose homosexuality are what you percieve as right wing– RSS, Swami Ramdev etc. While the Congress was instrumental in changing section 377. So dont blame it here on the RSS

I know u still will try to get Yeddy and RSS into it,….

My problem clearly is that none of our senior leaders should be in that mould. They could be susceptible to blackmail. And already some rumours are flying around.

—- IBN Live. com has labelled Rahul Gandhi as the new gay icon. Google Rahul + gay + IB and you will know. So Rajdeep calls Rahul a gay icon, not me.

— The Pakistani press is flooding the Net with such stories. It could be pure jealousy for India. But they will drumbeat it all the way.

So whatever the truth, fact is if Rahul has to become a PM, he should quell all such rumours. It won’t be good for India, if he is gay….

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Vinodji,

“@Vijay Kumar
I have lowered the bar of the debate to make you and your associates here know that I can beat you on your own ground….”

bar bar bar ko neeche math kariyega,
bar dheela padh jaye to
mushkilein badh jayenge

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Vijay Kumar,

Vinodji says, “Tell Vijay more about how to go about it Shenoy Sahab.” Here, let me quote George Bernard Shaw:

DO NOT MARRY FOR MONEY,
MARRY FOR LOVE.
BUT MAKE SURE THERE IS MONEY WHERE YOU LOVE.

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Just wanted to check if I can write replies as VS.

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@ Vijay Kumar

hello friend. its long since i have been here.

i would just say that BJP is justified in its decision of hoisting the national flag at the Lal Chowk. but unfortunately when we have Besharmas like Vinod , we wont need any enemies. Mr Vinod is indeed a shameless pseudo secularist who didnt really bother when the Kashmiri swines waved Pakistani flag in Srinagar

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shrama was hilarious as usual in the comfort of his fellow seudo procongress clone
on timesnow..the guy was lecturing on modi..whom his paper and his fellow mafia at ndtv and toi
were targeting for 8 years without any evidence..

and this man has no shame..now he is trying to fault modi’s developement…
this guy hides from the comments here and stoops to juvenile oneliners

the guy will never talk about kashmiri pandits even when he is the nmc chair..
and he is telling modi what he shuld do..atleast muslims r prospering in gujarat..

and this creature lectures bjp about inclusivity…when his congress has looted lakshs of crores in swiss banks which culd develop india..

this lowest life hid that for years till supreme cout and cag exposed it and thse secular scum pretend to be media..

sharma at least do ur kids afavor..

ur not even fit talking about modi’s waste matter…which is much more evoplved than u…

stick to cleaning dynasty dirt with ur tongue…

which waxes so eleoqently with pro congresss ndtv and toi anchors winking at u…

in any decent country people like u wuld have no job and jailed for defamation against bjp and modi..

now go and have drinks with sajjan singh and tyler and hide evidence against rajiv for bhopal and 1984..

patriots shuld strip u and send u to pakistan…make u swim there..

one less enemy within…u r a disgrace to the living species…u unadulterated shameless
congress mafia living of loot from the poorest who r more meritorious but cannot even afford 2 meals thanks to congress scum like u..

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@ Vinod Sharma.

Nice to know that you fought the emergency in your college days. But where have you lost the way now. Where has all the idealism gone ?

You will agree that fighting the Emergency was about fighting dynastic succession, fighting lies by rulers, fighting physical and moral corruption which Indira and the COngress represented then.

And today you should display the same idelaism to fight the dynastic politics of the COngress, the corruption in telecom and the moral degradation of leaders who accumalate wealth by fleecing the common Indian as in the Highway contracts.

Sharmaji. c’mon ! Display the same guts which you had 35 years back!!

We all are ambitious. But while strving for the posts we aspire for, we should not dump our ideals and morals….

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Vijay Kumar,

you said, ” — Congressmen and their chamcha presswallas will call for creation of a new Masjid, there, bigger than the Windsor palace”. You have proved to be a prophet! Here is the Times Of India’s report

A wavering government buckled under the pressure of a belligerent Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid and waves of angry namazis rustled up by him to concede on Friday that the mosque in Jangpura, declared illegal by the Delhi High Court and pulled down on Wednesday, would be rebuilt.

Chief minister Sheila Dikshit blamed the Delhi Development Authority (DDA) for acting in “an unfair way” by demolishing the mosque without letting the Delhi Wakf Board present its case before the court. “I have sent a note to the Prime Minister apprising him about the situation,” she told TOI.

The DDA had, however, acted at the court`s behest which was prodding it to give a compliance report of its demolition order. In fact, when the Wakf Board filed an application before the High Court on Friday seeking a review of its order, the court rebuked it and threatened to impose a hefty fine on it. The board hurriedly withdrew its application.

Obviously, a complicated situation has arisen. On the one hand, there is the court, determined to uphold the law and not allow illegal structures to come up in the name of religion, and on the other, there is rising passion, and a government apprehensive of the political cost of protests escalating and opposition leaders exploiting the situation to their advantage.

The action through the day was at two city locations 8 km apart — the Jama Masjid and at the site of the demolished mosque in Jangpura, bordering Nizamuddin. Early in the day the CM reached Jama Masjid for a meeting with Shahi Imam Syed Ahmed Bukhari. She assured that Imam(?) that prayers would be allowed at the site and mosque itself would be rebuilt.

Some time later, Samajwadi Party leader Mulayam Singh Yadav reached Jama Masjid to lend support to a large crowd that was progressively getting angry and restive. “Mosques are the identity of Muslims,” he told the crowd. “By demolishing them the government is trying to oppress the community. We will fight against it.”

Egged on by the Imam and pledges of support from politicians, a sizeable crowd reached Nizamuddin on taxis, motorbikes and buses. The heavy security bandobast, comprising 1000 policemen, six armed companies RAF, Rajasthan Armed Constabulary and Delhi Police reserve battalion, put up a feeble resistance before wilting.

During the brief face-off, six people, including four policemen, were injured and 23 vehicles damaged. Early in the morning 250 locals from the Nizamuddin J J Colony had entered the disputed site. By 10.30 am, a crowd from Jama Masjid began swelling at the barricade on Mathura Road near the Nizamuddin police station. The stretch from there to the Ashram Chowk had already been blocked off.

Around 1.30pm, the Imam reached this spot. The steady push against the barricade became a shove, and even as the Imam urged use of “dimag” (brains) rather than muscle, the picket line collapsed and the crowd surged to the site of the demolished mosque.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Faced-with-protests-CM-pledges-to-rebuild-mosque/articleshow/7288565.cms#ixzz1B501fA2r

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READERS OF THIS BLOG SHOULD & MUST READ AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY GOPAL KRISHAN GANDHI A FORMER , DIPLOMAT , ADMINSTRATOR & GOVERNOR OF WEST BENGAL . WHAT IS MORE HE IS A REAL GANDHI , DESCENDENT OF GANDHI ; GRANDSON OF M.K.GANDHI . I DO VISUALISE SINCERELY THAT VINOD SHARMA CAN’T STOMACH SUCH A SUPERB ARTICLE IN TODAY’s HT . I AM REPRODUCING THE ARTICLE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL READERS .

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CAG got your tongue?
Gopalkrishna Gandhi
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Does 1954 mean anything special in India? Well, not really. It was a straight-forward kind of year. Nothing sensational happened, nothing that elated or depressed one. For the vast majority of us, it was another year for wrenching survival out of misery, subsistence out of deprivation, satisfaction

with little things out of a miasma of adversities. But for those who had time and conducive conditions to reflect on our nationhood, that year, like that decade itself, was a time of quiet pride and of confidence in our country’s direction.
Films reflect prevalent moods. They are a pictorial barometer of the age’s dominant rasa.

As a nine-year-old, I saw two films that year that quite bewitched me. The first was Subah Ka Tara. Its title-song, sung in duet by Talat Mahmood and Lata Mangeshkar — Gaya andhera, hua ujala, chamka chamka subah ka tara — kept resounding in my head for months. Something linked the song’s mood to what seemed to me like stardust settling on everyone and everything. The second was Jagriti, with a song meant to spur nationalistic pride in the young — Aao bachcho tumhen dikhaen jhaanki Hindustan ki. Kavi Pradeep’s words in Hemant Kumar’s voice sung on screen by the earnest, bespectacled Abhi Bhattacharya did more than anything to instil a sense of pride in India.

That was also a season of dizzy firsts. Our first President, Rajendra Prasad, was fresh into his inaugural term in office, sedate and smiling. Our first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru had completed six years at the helm, loved at home, admired abroad. Our first Parliament, our First Five Year Plan, our first Supreme Court with its eight outstanding members, all had a fragrance to them, the fragrance of spring.

The year saw the scheme of presidential decorations inaugurated, with the first three Bharat Ratnas going to C Rajagopalachari, S Radhakrishnan and CV Raman, pleasing a country proud of its human capital.

And as a new entrant on the world stage, we seemed to be wearing, like our national bird, an iridescent crest and a fan of dazzling plumes. Our relations with China were at a peak, those with the Soviet Union at a high, with the Western world confident, cordial and correct. Both blocs were taking note of non-alignment, seen as India’s contribution to international affairs.

We were also levitating in an aerea pura we were almost unaware of. We were scam-free. Our first ‘scam’ — the Mundhra deal — brought to public notice by the intrepid Feroze Gandhi was some five years away.

That era was a season of innocence as well.

It is not as if our leadership was unaware of the possibility of something going wrong. But that ‘something’ was seen as an aberration that the system could self-correct. Part of the ceremonies of innocence were connected to a prosaic institution, the office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India. The first CAG Vyakaran Narahari Rao and his successor AK Chanda were redoubtable figures. The highest in the land regarded them and their offices with a respect reserved for first principles.

One such ‘ceremony’ was held in Madras on June 2, 1954. The former parliamentarian Era Sezhiyan has recently reminded us of an address made by vice-president S Radhakrishnan. He said: “The CAG is responsible not to the government. He must serve as the check on the government. The government may make mistakes. It is wrong to assume that the government can do no wrong. The auditor general is independent of the executive… If I have to give one advice and if I am presumptuous enough to give any advice to the officers of the audit and accounts department, it is this: ‘Do not shrink from the truth for fear of offending men in high places.’”

A month later, at the foundation-stone-laying of the CAG office in New Delhi on July 21, 1954, it was the turn of President Rajendra Prasad to speak on the subject. He said: “In a democratic set-up involving allocation of hundreds of crores of rupees, the importance of this kind of scrutiny and check can never be over-emphasised… The important task — I am afraid, a task not always very pleasant — devolves upon the CAG and his office. In accordance with the powers vested in him, he has to carry on these functions without fear or favour in the larger interests of the nation.”

Prasad, chairman of the Constituent Assembly, and Radhakrishnan as a member of that body would have remembered BR Ambedkar’s description of the CAG as “the most important officer in the Constitution of India.”

Re-reading those texts, I paused over two phrases used by Radhakrishnan. The government may make mistakes. It is wrong to assume that the government can do no wrong. He could say that again. But like a Charaka or a Susruta, the philosopher-statesman is also giving us a medicament. He is saying that unlike in some gross dictatorship or in a kingdom under an inept monarch, we have correctives, the CAG being a paramount one. And for that corrective to work in the only manner it is meant to work, it must not shrink from the truth for fear of offending men in high places.

In the larger interests of the nation, the autonomous stature of the CAG must remain undiminished.

A government that can do wrong is part of a larger edifice where that wrong gets righted by a system of auto-immune counter moves. No good, only deep and dangerous harm can come from that self-redeeming mechanism being devalued.

The system of internal warning systems in the 1950s which the then president and vice-president spoke of, was also ‘voiced’ in another film that came three years after Subah Ka Tara and Jagriti. This was Guru Dutt’s Pyaasa. I do not know if Pandit Nehru saw it but if he did, that passionate adherent of justice would have hearkened to its unforgettable song in Sahir Ludhianvi’s magical words and Mohammed Rafi’s immortal voice:

Yeh mehlon, yeh takhton, yeh taajon ki duniya,

Yeh insaan ke dushman samaajon ki duniya,

Yeh daulat ke bhookhey ravajon ki duniya,

Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya hai.

Har ek jism ghayal, har ek rooh pyaasi,

Nigahon mein uljhan, dilon mein udaasi,

Yeh duniya hai ya aalam-e-badhavasi,

Yeh duniya agar mil bhi jaye to kya hai.

Even in those pre-Mundhra days of wise innocence, there was an awareness of the craving for daulat in some, going against the interests of a ghayal insaan. But there was the assumption that insaniyat ki duniya will get the better of dushman samaajon ki duniya.

The year 2011 cannot and need not be 1954. But must today’s uljhan and udaasi deepen into an Aalam-e-badhavasi? Not if we remain aware of the fact, an incontrovertible ‘given’, that a Subah Ka Tara rises each morn, a hope and a challenge, unseen perhaps, but right there, behind the miasma of a deeply polluted sky.

(Gopalkrishna Gandhi is a former administrator, diplomat and governor)

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@ Vinod Sharma,

Your comment that –”You lecture a lot to others. Not a good habit for somebody who hasn’t make a mark yet.”

Well that’s good news!! I was being blamed for childish humour till yesterday so becoming a lecturar is just coming of age…

But…

Has’nt the script of the DDA demolition unfolded just the way I predicted yesterday? No tears for the Pushp Vihar temple and all crocodile tears for the mosque– both equally bad in my eyes as they were public land encroachments.

What is wrong with my reminding you of the ideals you fought for when you opposed the Emergency and the corruption, dynastic polics of the Congress then?

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A most shameless reply by Mr Vinod Sharma..
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Mr Vijay Kumar and Mr Shenoy had brought to attention in this blog how Congress-Mulayam have stepped in to prevent demolition of a illegally constructed mosque , while under similar circumstances, the demolition of a mandir went ahead without any fuss.
As Vijay Kumar pointed out, the correct action would be to demolish both illegal structures.

However this is how Mr Vinod Sharma chose to reply to the point
Mr V Sharma reply , quoted below
“Why don’t you ask Yeddy to emulate Narendra Modi to eliminate all masjidwallahs— barring of course those who are patronised by Indersh Kumar )”

That is shameless and thoughtless since he presumably had nothing constructive to say and even as a political appointee to represent majority community in minority commission, did not feel the slightest compunction to maintain a balance in his comments.

Brazen and shamelessly fraudulent.

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@ Rajiv

Actually this type of preferential treatment for dividing people is what causes p problems in India. Hey Bhagwan,,, hai Allah… humein in nikkamo se bachao…

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Dear Shri Vinoid Sharma,

“@Vijay Kumar
I agree that all places of worship on encroached lands should be removed. The mosque was demolished on Court orders. So there is no question of anybody saying that it will be rebuilt at the same spot. To my knowledge, the CM has made no such promise. And if an alternative site is given for a mosque then the same yardstick must be applied to the demolished temple.”

When you wrote this, perhaps you had no inkling of Sheila Dixit surrendering to the blckmail of Islamic fundamentalists headed by Syed Ahmed Bukhari. But she did surrender to the blckmail and agreed to rebuild the mosque at the same place. (masjid waheen banaayenge—Sheila Dixit).

Now the Residents’ Welfare Assn. has filed a case against her and her Islamist friends in the Delhi High Court for defamation and contempt of court.

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In the last few months, the congress party has achieved the rare and unerring capacity to hand issue after issue to the BJP with which the congress party is made an accused and also condemned in the court of the public permanently. Telangana, Yeddyurappa’s corruption, MP landscam and various other efforts by the party, including Kapil Sibal’s zero loss theory have failed to get the public move away from its single point determination to stone the guilty (read the congress party) to death in the Islamic style.

Even time honoured methods of BJP flogging by the secular media have not yielded any success. I think the only way in which she can divert the public focus from its failures is for Sonia Gandhi to appeal to the Pope to declare a war (of words, of course) on Pakistan against its Blasphemy laws.

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“RWA’s lawyer RK Saini contended that it was the duty of the authorities to ensure that the reclaimed area was fenced properly and re-encroachment was not allowed. Saini said policemen present in large numbers also failed in prevent the re-encroachment.

The RWA told the court: “The unruly mob broke the boundary wall erected by the DDA after it reclaimed the land, shouted slogans like ‘Hindustan Murdabad, Pakistan Zindabad’.

This was in the original article http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/Print/650892.aspx

Now see the edited article

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Mosque-demolition-RWA-files-contempt-plea-against-CM-Shahi-Imam/Article1-650793.aspx

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@Ram,
thanks for posting the links to both the HT stories, where Hindustan Times has edited the original story,because it showed Muslim fundamentalists who are protesting an illegal structure demolition, being supported by Sheila Dixit and Imam Bukhari, who were reportedly also chanting communal , anti-national slogans.
This kind of selective,politically inspired, callous reporting is dangerous as it will destroy public faith in reporting.

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Has any friend , seen any message of condolence or concern from any of the Central Leaders on the death of more than 100 pilgrims all Hindus at Sabarimala. What would have happened if such a tragedy had occurred at a congregation of some other religion?

“Dekh tere Insan ki halat kya ho gaye bhagwan, Kitna badal gaya insaan.”

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@ Vinod Sharma,

So finally my postings are being edited out !!

I had made two postings… which hung around for an hour or so– and even elicited a reply from V K Chawla. Now they have disappeared.

Cool!, No problem… After all it is your site. For me this is going to be a goodbye

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The way Congress can actually restore credibility…

— > Say sorry that there is a telecom scam which has resulted in a loss of thoussands of crores to the Indian public. An amount which may not be 1.76 lakh crores, but it is at least half that.

—- > Try to get back as much money made by A Raja and cohorts and then punish them.

—-> Plug in all loopholes which lead to such misappropriations.

—-> Say sorry for the unebelievable price rise happening due to bad policy making

—–> Build up buffer stocks of veggies and fruits in cold storages across the country to price intervene whenver such a situaion occurs. As we do in wheat and rice.

—– > Be balanced between communities. Not to favour criminals and terrorists in case they are Muslims. In fact by sleeping on the files of Afzal Guru it is giving a bad name to Muslims by indirectly alluding that they will get upset in case a terrorist like him is punished……

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It is high time UPA acts and establishes that constitutional machinery in India is in full gear!Hoisting the National flag on the Republic Day is not one’’s right but is subject to time-honoured traditions and protocol BJP has no respect for the constitution! Art. 51 A of the Constitution has laid down : “It shall be the DUTY of every citizen of India to abide by the Constitution and respect its ideals and institutions, the National Flag and the National Anthem.”A dignitary has the authority to hoist the National flag at the proper time, place and proper procedure!It cannot be made a children’s play! Non- residents of J&K cannot gate crash into J&K and carry out their own programme!Is BJP trying a mock battle in J&K with the tricolour!?If separatist were to counter them, Pakistan will thank BJP for its new Year Present!BJP is crossing all limits. it has to be contained, in the interests of national integration and security!Advaniji will not be a party to such a big national risk!

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Here is a funny one. I was watching debate on the NDTV, a person said that even during the British rule, they would enmark separate routes for a muharram possession and a separate route for a Ganpati possession. Nidhi Razdaan and Congress stooges were smiling gratefully that this guy made an important point against the flag hoisting. Seemed so pertinent to this blog and I see similar points being putforth by Vinod Sharma here. What are u people doing guys for the support of Grand old party of India??? Here are a couple of points you can ponder about.

BJP though for polical gains is organizing this yatra. But you people are contributing whole heartedly to give a religious color to our national flag just to ensure that BJP does not get political benefit out of this yatra. If BJP is not secular, neither are you.

That gentleman talked Of British rule. We were slaves at that time. Are we slaves even now. If for the fear of riots, they started tradition of separate routes for religious possessions, shouldn’t we rectify it. We should allow these possessions through their natural routes and could severely punish the law breakers. After initial troubles, the law breakers would have learnt a lession and intermingling of religions would have promoted greater harmony eventually. The successive Indian goverments have buckled under the threats of fringe elements like Hurriyat, raj thakery etc. Even helping them to promote their own political gains.

I am sure you would have condemned Raj Thakerey. Why use a different yard stick. Did you tell your readers that all north indians should leave bombay so that peace prevails in the city.

We as Indians need to hold the majority at ransom and stop using peace as a shield for ineptness and inability. Come down hard on lawbreakers be it from any religion, caste, political class. I urge you to whole heartedly support the hoisting of national flag. Look at the flag not the party carrying flag. You can do this atleast on days of significant relevance for Indian nation. Atleast on these days we can forget our party and religious affiliations and be inclusive enough to see all our citizens as Indians.

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Dear Sir, It is evident from this flag hoisting plans of BJP at Srinagar that our national parties and a party which was in power for a sufficient time period to understand the implications of such a outrageous but useless effort are so unmindful of its effects on national security. Now as it is getting clearer day by day that they are taking-up this issue just to brush the dust on their youth wing,and has no patriotism in it. but mere propagenda has done the loss already.The separtists has who have tested a “winning formula” of street protests keepin youth on front courtsey BJP from Amarnath agitations and they will not miss any oppurtunity to humiliate state and central government. and this time the onus of disturbance will not lie on them.
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Mr Vinod Sharma,
It is a shame that may be for few favours/position/award you are taking against your conciencenous. Kasmir problem is created by your party and stil prolonging due to weak decisions. Flag hoisting any were India is honour.
Hinduthua(including all relegion in India) states Loka samastha sukino Bavanthu means entire world be happy. We don’t have to kill each other to help God. As per Krishna he takes birth many times for the benefit of humanity. So be it krisna, Rama, christ, Muhammad, Bundha, Vayuguru… are all various form of krishna. So please use your energy to teach youth to respect all religion and follows as per gods teaching. Let us propegate worship All Gods in place like Indian Army’s Dharmastal. Stop deviding people. If some of incorrect follw talk, persuation and force to teach them. Don’ divert your route of truth.
Today during CVC issue you were telling to avoid discussion to stop influencing court. My dear any input to take a correct decision be appreciated.
If certain Hindus are resorting to terrerisum which as quoted by them is to prevent terrerisum. We don’t support them since it against humanity though there are quotation to justify this such as thorn can be removed by thorn or Anti snake venom is snake venon itself. It is reported many countries in the world and states machineries resorted to this method to stop terrerisum . Hope I don’t have to quote the instances

So Please do correct reporting. Money and power is just nothing. let truth prevail. Only God can judge you correctly. be honest to him

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“It’s rare when you’re young – or actually, at any time – to do things not to learn learn, not because you need them to get ahead, not because you have talents you want to explore and exploit, not because you aim to dazzle the world with your accomplishments, not because you may be good at them, but just because you want to do them, just for the pleasure of doing them, that’s all.”

So true. I wish more parents would read what you’ve written here.

“Why is it so difficult to learn something solely for the pleasure of it…?”

Indoctrination at a young age, then the culture around us. In the end it reflects our constant struggle to inject meaning into a meaningless existence, and few of us notice the paradox in this.

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Hi Kushal,
Returning to your blog after a long time, (not as in reading it, which I was a regular at, but in commenting) and I notice something interesting. Infact two things.

1. “I prevailed eventually (well, I am the boss)…..” — When did this happen? Are you now the Editor of Brunch? Congrats !

2. “I had just one resolution for 2012 – to stop being such an antisocial element.” — fantatsic. So when can we see you on Twitter?

Akhilesh

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Kushal,

An excellent new year resolution (note, no caps here).

And to help you along in your disquisitive odessey, I suggest Tom Robbins collection of articles titled “Wild Duck Flying Backwards” (caps in deference to the author)

Have a great new year!!

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Ghoda: Huh?

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Nope, Alwyn, I was born before the pin was introduced, but I wasn’t literate even in 1972, so I certainly wasn’t writing letters. I think I wrote my first letter in 1976-77 or so, by which time I guess pin codes were taken for granted. I have no memory of ever addressing an envelope without a pin code.

How many pins existed in 1972? Do you still have the booklet or the memory?

And thank you for saying nice things about this blog. It’s very heartening.

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So the PIN codes offer a way to look at how a city, or a region, grew? Fascinating indeed.

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Yes, you have a right to protest but that is where the line ends. Crossing over into threats of violence is totally unacceptable. For example, muslims around the world protesting at a book is alright, but wanting to kill a man is a sign of breakdown of civilization.
Do you understand the difference between the two?

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you see how right to offend (in your case right to lie) 800 mil hindus are so important.

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This article is not only reactionary it is downright seditous. It is breathtaking he is comparing ISRAELI PLAESTANIAN CONFLICT WITH INDIA PAKISTAN CONFLICT.
This is ISLAM , ummah COMES FIRST , spit on the hand of the country that feeds you. I would advice this CLOSET JIHADI to read a book called THE ARABS BY EUGENE ROGAN.Jews SIMPLY KICKED OUT PLAESTANIANS FROM THEIR HOMES ONE NIGHT. Many died while trying toi swim across and flee.
KASHMIR WAS ACCEDED BY AN INSTRUMENT OF ACCESION.
iT IS THE PAKISTANI BALUCH AND PATHAN SOLDIERS WHO INVADED , RAPED AND PILLAGED IN 1947, in poonch rajauri which led to india intervene militarily
here is a quote
“As Pakistan teeters on the precipice of instability, Kashmiri groups, particularly in the UK, appear to be doing their own review of history and strategy. For the first time
in 62 years, 13 Kashmiri political groups in the UK, under the umbrella of the Kashmiri National Party, passed a resolution against Pakistan’s tribal invasion into India in October 19″articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com
ZIA WANTS TO AIRBRUSH 26/11 OUT OF MEMORY
He needs to be reminded 54 OF HIS CO RELIGIONIST DIED IN THAT CARNAGE
He quietly swallows PORKY(oops pork) offered by the ISI
WHEN KASAB HIMSELF AND DAVID COLEMAN HEADLEY AKA GILANI HIMSELF HAVE CONFESSED THAT ISI PLANNED , TRAINED FUNDED , GUIDED MOMITORED AND EXECUTED
Mahathir was right INDIA INDEED HAS TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY(READ RIGHT TO SPREAD FALSEHOOD), just REFLECT ON THE BLIND CHINESE LAWYER IN CHINA

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Folks this is to counter the CANARD spread by a low caste hindu convert full of Malcontent, the facts about KASHMIR and why this has no resembaLNCE TO iSRAELI pALESTANIAN CONFLICT
Pakistani backed[11]:18 Pashtun tribal intervention from the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa that aimed at supporting the revolution,[15][16] the Maharaja asked for Indian military assistance. India set a condition that Kashmir must accede to India for it to receive
assistance. The Maharaja complied, and the Government of India recognized the accession of the erstwhile princely state to India. Indian troops were sent to the state to defend it. The Jammu & Kashmir National Conference volunteers aided the Indian Army in its campaign to drive out the Pathan invaders.[17]

Pakistan was of the view that the Maharaja of Kashmir had no right to call in the Indian Army, because it held that the Maharaja of Kashmir was not a heredity ruler, that he was merely a British appointee after the British defeated Ranjit Singh who ruled the province before the British.[13] There had been no such position as the “Maharaja of Kashmir” prior to British rule. Hence Pakistan decided to take action, but the Army Chief of Pakistan General Douglas Gracey did not send troops to the Kashmir front and refused to obey the order to do so given by Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Governor-General of Pakistan. Gracey justified his insubordination by arguing that Indian forces occupying Kashmir represented the British Crown and hence he could not engage in a military encounter with Indian forces. Pakistan finally did manage to send troops to Kashmir but by then the Indian forces had taken control of approximately two thirds of the former principality(Source WIKIPEDIA)

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Acting friendly when you can’t afford to be enemies is no virtue but just a strategy. With the Pakistanis, we should always be on our guard. That country was formed on a philosophy of hatred of the everything native to the subcontinent. That will never change. The only thing we can do is to manage Pakistan and be on our guard. Destabilizing them will also affect us badly because we will be facing refugees from there and that will be a total disaster. The afghans or the Iranians will never take in Pakistani refugees if something goes terribly wrong in Pakistan.

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If Mr. Manmohan sing in his eight years govt couldn’t do any thing he will or can’t do any thing for next two years as well , He had a golden chance when Musharf Regime in Pakistan offer him Kashmir solution which was totally against the will of Pakistani and Kashmir people and UNO resolution on Kashmir,
Strong Anti Pakistan establishment in India will never allow him to fix the issue with Pakistan what India has created since the birth of these countries,
India is main root cause of all trouble in this region with it’s neighbours , it has issues with China,Srilanka ,B’Desh and of course, pakistan, doesn’t how many Blog you write to hide the truth and your black face truth will come out cevilizrd world is not fool.

1947-India violated British India Independence Act and invaded Muslim Majority sates of Kashmir which suppose to join Pakistan as per this pact
India this illegal Act leads to 1948, 65 & 99 war

1971—India once again violated UN Charter and interfered in Pakistan and invaded in East Pakistan which leads to 71 War and creation of B’desh.

1984—India once again violated UNO Charter and invaded line of Control and occupied Pakistan land in Sia Chin Glacier and destroy this beautiful roof top of the world, Indian army not only dumping it’s chemical or nuclear waste but also using chemical to melt down the Glacier which is costing big time Indus River system in subcontinent, which has affected weather pattern but also agriculture land both side of boarder, Indians must accept and apologies for this environmental disaster and withdraw it’s forces before 1984 position, other wise it’ll tiger one more nuclear standoff

India- And violating Indus water treaty and steeling water and building dams on Pakistani rivers
How Pakistani can trust India and write one more truce, where you’re violating all previous treaties…………….. Shame on you

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You cannot trust the Pakistanis. Right now they have no money and have run out of ideas. The moment they have some money, they will be back to creating trouble. No one should underestimate the ability of the military and ISI. Only Fools will overlook the past.

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Looks like the one guy you met in Pakistan, who, conveniently happened to be a higher up in ISI, told you exactly what you wanted to hear, and not surprisingly, you believed every word of it. Then you came here, brushed aside 26/11 because “he said so” and with a bleeding heart, started apologizing on behalf of Pakistan. Thanks, but no thanks. Your credibility has taken a hit because of all this.

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The likes of you and Jawed Naqvi just make me sick to my stomach.

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I read this write up with complete disbelief. I have been a student of India’s relations with Pakistan for some time, and especially from 1998 onwards. I have seen nothing in the practice of the Pakistan policy makers to encourage a hope, much less an expectation, that Pakistan could indeed turn a new page. Even the comments do not justify an optimistic assessment.
What we see instead in all kinds of writings that emante from Pakistan is that there is colossal and consistent misinterpretation of history and everything that led to the partition of 1947. Since then Pakistan’s youngsters have been brainwashed into believing that India and its Hindus constitute a standing threat to Pakistan and Islam: therefore, they argue that everything must be done to ensure that good relations with India must never arise.
In fact it has been my reading that in Pakistan there is no constituency for good relations with India. This is contrary to what this write up says, namely, “There is no constituency in Pakistan today that wants confrontation with India, the armed forces included,” as the Pakistani Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed put it. I am afraid I remain unconvinced.
Pakistan blames India for everything that goes wrong in Pakistan, whether it was/is Kashmir, East Pakistan, Baluchistan, Afghanistan, or anything else. Gen Musharraf was so enamoured of seeing the Indian hand in everything big or small happening in Pakistan that a young nephew of mine once commented: “Next time his bathroom leaks, Gen Musharraf will say that India has done it.” There is a boyish exaggeration in it but it has a point. I do not entirely disagree with the underlying thought.
Pakistan needs to run its affairs with a better regard for its own people and their development and welfare. No one wants to eat up Pakistan. For all of its 65 years Pakistan has lived beyond its means to such an extent that today it stands on the brink of national bankruptcy. We need to remember the old adage that we cut our coat according to the cloth that we have.
Both India and Pakistan began their journeys about the same time and from the same starting line but the two have reached very different destinations. The reason is not India’s hostility towards Pakistan but because Pakistan constituted itself into India’s adversary to such an extent that one is forced to think of the two more or less as permanent adversaries. The choice was made by Pakistan and imposed by it on India all along the line. But four wars down the line, Pakistan, like the Bourbons, has learnt nothing and it has forgotten nothing. We thought 1971 would have taught Pakistan something but it did not persuade even ZA Bhutto, how could it persuade anyone else in Pakistan? Pakistan continued to maintain its armed forces at the earlier levels although it had half the territory to consider after 1971, even if more cohesive. ZAB went on to inaugurate the pursuit of nuclear weapons, a quest that his successors never gave up.
Unfortunately, as the ISI officer said, Pakistan made a wrong choice in the context of fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan and, under Ziaul Haq, inaugurated not only pursuit of jihad but a massive dose of Islamization for the people of Pakistan. To my way of thinking, Islamization has been Pakistan’s undoing, much aggravated by Pakistan’s devotion to jihad and terror.
It is for Pakistan, its leaders, and its people to make a re-assessment of Pakistan’s capabilities and resources. When they reach a realistic assessment in this respect, it will be time for better relations with India.
My parting submission is if you love a dame, do your own courting.
V. C. Bhutani, Delhi, India, 7 May 2012, 1044 IST

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India definitely has an exaggerated view of itself and its economic clout. India needs Pakistan to bring inexpensive energy from Central Asia to India. India has been placed on pedestal because USA/EU wants it to counter balance China. I seriously doubt if India can change Pakistan’s behavior. Behavior will change once the Kashmir issue is resolved according to the wishes of Kashmir people. I find these analysis too self serving and somewhat devoid of any reality.

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They call me muslim, why…here is the reason read the article…in fact poor pakistani hindus have no one to fight for their cause because they are not Indian politicians votebank
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pakistani-hindu-refugees-suffer-in-india-no-rehabilitation/1/186372.html

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Mr. Haq goes to Pakistan, meet some Pakistanis there, tells them that he as an
Indian and ask for their opinion. He listens to their views, believes them and come back here and tells us how these Pakistanis are honest, virtuous and trustworthy.
Absolutely rubbish article.

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People who repose their faith in the CIA/Mossad/RAW axis would never accept that ISI’s rogues were paid enough millions to do the needful on 26/11. The USA wants to stay put in Afghanistan and that is why they are droining out all those Pashtuns who are resisting occupation from the Pak/Af billy areas. And of course the USA wants no Pakistani interference in Afghan affairs as only the USA carry hegemonistic rights in that country. Well, for us its good that Pakistan influence is lessened in Afghanistan as that would support our interest. I am afraid Pakistan have missed the Indo-friendly bus – it will indeed take a very long time to undo the damage done to mutual trust. And as far as being on guard vis-a-vis nothern, north-western & north-eastern neighbours are concerned, that would always be the need of our security.

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I think the role of Teesta Setalvad, Mukul Sinha, Manoj Mitta and others should be investigated and re-investigated so that the victims can get justice.

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Incredible it may appear MY COMMENTS LAST NIGHT HAS BEEN REMOVED, WELL LETS TRY AGAIN
Zia’s lines
“The SIT has not only conducted the investigation in a partial, biased and callous manner, but it can also be reasonably be assumed that the SIT has only served to cover up the role played by the Chief Minister Narendra Modi”
In any other country THIS IS CONTEMPT OF COURT, iN FACT IF ANYONE INFORMS OR BRINGS TO THE ATTENTION OF SUPREME COURT ZIA WILL BE IN A BIG TROUBLE.
If Narendra Modi said EVEN WITHIN FOUR WALLS “Hindus should be allowed to vent their anger” HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR INCITING RACIAL HATRED, the problem is it is only hearsay.
Also how would Zia feel if Prravin Togadia arranges a tour of BURNT CARRIAGES in GODHRA.
The fact is hindu gujratis hate muslim gujratis , and gujrat is in pole position in riots , and it has been for last 500 years .There used to be riots during Mughal Times.
Just because the above truths are uncomfortable , so lets target modi , the soft and visible target.
If Ehssan Jafri started firing THEN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE WHETHER IT WAS SELF DEFENCE OR WHETHER HE BROUGHT ON HIMSELF.
Also Zia would like to reflect 300HINDUS DIED IN THE RIOT MANY FROM POLICE FIRING

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The scheming, monitoring & manipulating Non-Aryan European Nazi Fundamentalist Christian God Adolph Hitler worshipping Non-Aryan European American & European Christian women & men, pursuing the Non-Aryan European Christian Conspiracy to Physically or Remotely Control the Non-European World, use their Non-Aryan European Christian children born to them from their logical, rationalistic, calculating & ruthlessly staring, teasing, taunting, hugging & seducing flirtations, dalliances, romances & sex acts with the Indian, Pakistani, Arab Hashemite Jordanian King Hussein bin Talal (2nd wife: European British Christian Field Hockey Player Antoinette Avril Toni Gardiner & 4th Wife: European American British & Swedish Christian Elizabeth Laura Wilkins Halaby, Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi (Husband: European Greek Cuban British Christian Michael Vaillancourt John Josette Aris), Thai Royalty, Japanese, Chinese, Indonesian, Sri Lankan, Nepali, Vietnamese, Kampuchean & Korean business, political, religious, scientist, engineer, doctor, scholarly, journalistic, police officer, military officer & noble laureates & kings, queens, princes, princesses, prime ministers, presidents, ministers, editors, businessmen & sportsmen against the Indian Aryan- Dravidian – Mongolian – Australoid Indian Hindu, Sikh, Shinto, Tao, Confucian, Buddhist & Jain India & rest of the world to physically and/or remotely conquer, colonize, exploit, boss over & rule them. In addition, the traitors, backstabbers & quislings such as Mir Jaffers, Mir Kasims & Mir Sadiqs actively & pro-actively assist the Non-Aryan European Christian colonizers of India such as Robert Clive, Dal Housie, Winston Churchill, Vasco-da-Gama, Dupleix, Columbus, Sonia European Italian Roman Catholic Christian Antonia Maino, the Christian Convert Rajiv Roberto Parsee Shia Muslim Firoz Jehangir Nawab Khan Ghandy, Maureen European Scottish Christian McDonagh, Raul Rahul Roberto Firoz Jehangir Nawab Khan Ghandy Vinci, Bianca Priyanka Robert Vadra, Robert Maureen McDonagh Vadra, Raihan One-Third Iranian Shia Muslim Firoz Jehangir Nawab Khan Ghandy On-Third European Italian Roman Catholic Christian Sonia Antonia Maino One Third European Scottish Christian Robert Maureen McDonagh Vadra, Miraya Iranian Italian Scottish Robert Maureen McDonagh Vadra, Sterre European Scandinavian Apartheid Dutch Christian Sathish Sharma, John European UK Scottish Christian Biocon Kiran Shaw, Susan UK English Christian The Hindu Narasimhan Gopalan Sesha Kasturi Ranga Iyengar Ram, Mariam Christian Non-Aryan European Italian German Adolph Hitler’s Army Soldier Pope Benedict Ratzinger Appointee Roman Catholic Christian Bishop Alexander DeCampo Parampil Chandy Metran Narasimhan Ram, Damien Eprinchard Non-Aryan European French Christian Pallavi Captain Air Deccan Kingfisher Airlines Deccan Charters Deccan360 Gorur Ramaswamy Gopinath Bhagavi Iyengar, Margaret European Scottish Roman Catholic Christian Samuel Richmond Ramakrishna Ashram Ramakrishna Parama Hamse Disciple Kayatstha Brahmin Narendra Nath Datta Vivekananda Paramahamsa Mary Isabel Elizabeth Noble, Sara C. 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The problem here is about the totally amoral, unethical and inhuman attitude of the Hindus, especially of Gujarat. All over the world no sane society or person can condone people like Karadzic, Milosevic, Osama, Ariel Sharon etc. Then how come Narender Modi is receiving such blind support of the Hindus, many of whom are quite sane, normal and peace loing people? We all recognize that Godhra as an inhuman act right from its time of occurrence. How can Hindus be so unethical and amoral that they do not recognize Modi’s role later on as equally inhuman? A Raja or a Badsha in the feudal days can get away with it of course – but not in a democracy where a Constitution is regulating our lives.

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modi nu raj have nahi chale

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मोदी राज में गुजरात पर देवा हुआ हे

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modi ne gujarat me 10 sal che gujarat ko ulu banateaya he

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modi gujarat me bate kar ke gujarat ko nahi adani jeso ko malamal karata he

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Investigation is not done to please certain section of the people. The purpose of the investigation is to find truth. Now its up to you to suck it. Just have the guds to say, I want investigation to continue till Modi is found guilty.

The author seems to be idiot because SIT has said that there is no evidence of Modi instructing the police to let Hindus vent anger. The IPC amicus suggested to prosecute Modi are only appliable for making statement in public. This is exactly what SIT pointed out.

Similarly in the case of Ehsaan Zafri, SIT never said that he should be blamed. You must understand that even an act of self defence can also provoke people.

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What’s a thousand people being killed to a whole civilization being disfigured and millions killed as it happened when the invaders from the Islamic middle east and central Asia invaded our region? Looking at the big picture, this episode is nothing. Bigger and nastier events have taken place in India.

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@ fact, it always habben india who always stabbed pakistan in back

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a good Drama by the writer to hide the activities of RAW from the people of india … Lolz … babes indian people are no more fools

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indians have always stabbed pakistan in back

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This is perhaps the most pathetic justification for such a pathetic act by muslims. I am sure you have good reasons to justify 9/11, 26/11 and killings of over 500,000 Pandits in Kashmir.

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What do you expect from a newspaper lead by Vinod Sharma

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Let alone SC or SIT, even if Allah himself pronounced Mr Modi innocent, this Zia Huq chap and pseudo secular lying lynch mob will not accept it. Only one verdict is acceptable to them i.e. that Mr Modi is guilty. But he is innocent and proven innocent. These partisan vested interests brigade should be ignored. Please carry on Mr Modi. The nation needs your services to pull it out of the mess created by Sonia’s corrupt government.

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Ralph Schoenman, an author and commentator, argued, “With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the entire rationale for the hundreds of billions of dollars that are allocated to the Pentagon and to the military, which is the largest factor in the entire capitalist economy, had been removed.”
“US imperialism, which is the primary sponsor of the Israeli state, incorporated that notion of the necessity to demonize Islam and to create a rationale for permanent war in the region, and adapted it as the whole rationale for US capitalism and imperialism itself in its military projects,” the analyst pointed out.
“It’s the entire … rationale for imperialism; for perpetual war on the peoples of the region; to seize their oil; to destroy their sovereignty; to break up the nations into ethnic and religious components,” Schoenman added.

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