Agent Provocateurs

Okay sir, your narration is quite balanced but this one episode of fake leaks does not make it whole culprit. It is the media itself that surfaced and made apologetic expression over interior ministry remarks of fake leaks against India. Media in Pakistan is much more vibrant, recent remarks by Noam Chomsky did made some hint over new free (but lot to go) media of Pakistan and made it narrow but free for India as well.

Gone are the days of Gen Zia but the new tongue given to free expression was also during another military dictator, I wont defend Musharaff but making a clear difference that media has new wings. Media on both sides has to be responsible and mature.

The anchor you pointed is Hamid Mir, right?

Mustafa
Pakistan

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@ Vinod;
Thanks for a change of writing on a different topic then on your favorite of bashing anti congress people.
Your writing about Pakistani press is baalanced but you unnecessarily brought in Indian newspaper, that they indulge in Pakistan Bashing and get influenced by intelligence agency. I hope it is only for appearing disinterested. We are not talking about regional/Vernacular newspapers. Even there, PakistaniPapers will beat Indian papers in writing trash.
Compared to Pakistani intelligence agencies, RAW and IB appear studying in primary as against Pakistan intelligence graduates,particularly in dirty department. Printing fake Indian currency at state level, importing required paper from west, ostensibly for GOP need and diverting it for fake IR is being practiced since last two decades or so.Supplying Pistol to LET people aboard fateful IA flight at Kathmandu, using the services of their diplomat at Kathmandu, Kidnapping Indian diamond merchants from Delhi by a Pakistani agent some 12-13 years back, supporting insurgents in Kaashmir with elaborate arrangement, can you compare these two agencies? And now mischief on your part, leaking of Radia tapes, you are blaming intelligence agencies??It sounds as if you are stating this out of pique, that why these tapes were ever recorded. Incometax and intelligence agencies are different in a subtle way, unless you want to remove the difference. I support your efforts for friendship with Pakistan but not under duress and not with crooks. I hope you know more decent people there than I do.

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“Journalists who refuse to play ball with snoops get threatened, beaten up and even have their houses burgled.”

Here no such thing happens. Every journalist sides the government. There, despite Musharraf’s strict media regulation, they fought to get justice Choudhuri back. Here, hardly anyone speaks about spectrum scandal. We no more have a media warring against a corrupt government after Arun Shourie. Papers like “Hindu” and “Indian Express” where investigative journalism used to be alive, have been overtaken by glamorous media(/journalists).

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The Pak media is mostly full of ‘Agent ISIs’, Agent Islamic bigots’ and the Indian media , including the farcical Congress appointed member to represent, of all things , ‘majority community’ in minority commisson , are, ‘agent xxxxxx…’. ( feel free to substitute anything you want for xxxxxx.. )

Bye the way, the Pakistani-ISI papers like ‘The Nation’ and Daily Mail continue to maintain that the ISI forged wikileaks is the real pure thing ( its ‘Pak’ ) and are writing canine editorials based on self-forged falsehoods.

More importantly only a fool or someone engaged in wilful deception would draw any parallels with Pak state sponsored fake wikileaks meant to vilify and spread more anti-India canards and lies with free Indian media sponsored real Radia tape leaks to hold Indian govt and media responsible.

The Pak-ISI fabrication was a criminal act sponsored by the Pak state.

The Radia tapes are an act in transparency and media freedom to hold authorities responsible.

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~~~~~~~~~~ THE FUNNY PART of FAKE WIKILEAKS ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:D

Oh so many Pakistanis would have danced with joy reading the fake leaks

Oh so many would have started leaking with joy themselves thinking India is collapsing

Oh so many would have rushed to the border wearing suicide jackets… thinking that this is the last chance to go to jannat before India collapses totally !!

What a joke of a country !!!

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PS: I meant leaking with joy in their undies…

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Indian media is full of Agent-Congress and agent-Idiots who cannot differentiate between Pak state forged lieful wikileaks and truthful Radia tapes.

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Vinod

When you say “that is the moral to be drawn from Radia leaks in India and false wikeleaks in Pakistan” , are you equivocating the two? Are you of the opinion that RAdia tapes should not have been revealed?

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I dont think Mr Vinod Sharma ( Congress appointee in Minority commission to represent Majority community, as farcical as appointing Tagodia of VHP to represent minorities ) has an answer. Any reference to Radia tapes while talking about Pak state manufactured and forged, crude, anti-India newsitems is reprehensible. Its something I normally see in the Pak media.

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@ everyone.
Read an article in rediff.com that ISI is asking its underlings to contact political parties to help in estabilishing SIMI and IM again through politicians. Digvijay singh is prime suspect apart from Sharad pawar, under whos chief Ministership, Dawood flourished. All intelligence agencies and awakened citizens take notice.

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Its foolish to find commonality between India and Pakistan. Even sons of same parents can have diametrically opposite personalities. One can be a saint and the other a crude thief.

Just look at the title of this blog. “Separated at birth”. Its in a way a bogus sentiment and title because it does not educate the reader about the fact that these two countries are as different today as chalk and cheese.

The best we can expect is Pak and Pakistanis keep away from India and rest of the world and stay within their Ummah.

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The other thing to keep in mind , the Pakistani state does not believe , in Pakistani words, “Indian propaganda of seperated at birth”. The Pakistanis are 1. of Saudi-Chinese-Chechen origin. 2. India is worse than Pakistan.

Meanwhile, here is an interesting news item, from the Saudi-Chinese-Chechen state

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Pak Army Owns Up ‘Suicide Bomber’ Who Died in India
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By Rezaul H Laskar Islamabad | Dec 14, 2010

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?705025

An entry on Pakistani Army’s official website has listed an ISI operative, who died in an Indian hospital in November 2007 while on a “suicide attack” operation, virtually owning him up.

The listing in the Shuhada’s (Martyrs’) Corner of the website http://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk named Naik Zulfiqar Ahmed as the ISI operative who died in New Delhi’s Ganga Ram Hospital on November 16, 2007.

The listing stated that Ahmed was on a “suicide attack” operation at the time of his death. The cause of death was given as “Neptrrotic syndrome/ARI”. Nephrotic syndrome is a kidney disorder while ARI refers to acute respiratory infection.

Ahmed’s army serial no was “1726016″ and he belonged to the Engineering wing. His formation or unit was “HQ 30 Corps/Dte Gen ISI”, according to the listing which has a picture of Ahmed.

The listing on Ahmed in the Shuhada’s Corner was accessed by PTI from a frame grab of the webpage. However, the Shuhada’s Corner was inaccessible via internet.

The Pakistan Army spokesman could not be reached to comment on the issue.

The same section of the Pakistan Army website recently listed the names of over 500 soldiers and officers who were killed during the 1999 Kargil border conflict with India.

The names of these troops were listed after the army spent years denying its involvement in infiltrations in the Kargil sector of the Line of Control.

The names of over 15,000 Pakistani troops who died in combat or while in service are listed in the Shuhada’s Corner.

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@ Raju

They take delight in all the oddities and violence the world thinks is wrong..

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Pakistans fake Wikileaks should be seen as a continuation of the fake history it creates for itself like winning Kargil, 71 and 65 wars…

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Pakistani media has played a positive role since Musharaf took the gene out of the bottle. Like any where it also depends on sensatinal stories, thats when India plays the real role. Like we do in your country, look the comments and the stories about ISI. Pigeon flying across the border to spy on you Indians etc. Similar rediculoous stories take the air in our country as well. All in the media has played a positive role in recent times and have stood up to the terrorists in Swat Valley and Waristan. The jounalists have paid a heavy price in exposing the religious terrorists among us. Lawyers movement for the retoration of Chief Justice or Black Jacket revolution as it is called was galvanised by the electronic media, especially GEO TV, Aaj and ExpressNews.

Question to you guys is what Pakistan TV channels can you watch on Cable or Satellite TV?

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This forum is again part of fake history Pakistan needs to survive!! it fabricates news items.

And in case an Indian says somthing bad about India, that would be the top news. So naturally Arundhati Roy and left economists like Jayati Ghose of JNU who keeps writing that China is a real success story while India is a banana republic get top billing in this forum….

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Dear Sir,
We cannot equate Pak media and Indian media.While majority of Pakistani media is still not overcome from 1947 partition and majority of their anti india rehetoric is based on religious grounds.They hate India and take India as a Kafir state and assumes their Muslims brothers here are poorly treated .They are very poorly informed about Indian secularism and Hindus .We can say their views are still stereo typed.Army and their different agencies always pump-up India bashing stories and creates a false notion about India for thier ultier motives.
However Indian electronic media for the reason of competition among themselves for getting eyeballs sensallise every news showing Pak in bad situation.They donot creat a hate but creates a joke of Pakistan.which is still not received in good taste among educated and sensible viewers of India.
Wikileaks has painted a very sorry picture of the state of affairs in all major institutions of Pakistan including Army.Pak stake holders want to maintain their moral high by forging these false stories and want to show that India is also NANGA IN THE HAMAM.

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The Pakistani Dogs like Azhar are back here to bark for ISI again.
ISI is a throughly criminal organization and rules Pakistan. There are few parallels in world history of a thug and criminal intelligence agency and army ruling a people . like they rule Pakistan.

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Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

Since we are dealing with the subject of Pakistan, terror, wikileaks etc., I would request you to read, carefully, an article that has appeared in your paper today:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Modi-operandi/H1-Article1-638428.aspx

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The Chinese premier visit can be used by India to score a major goal.

Till now Pakistan is exporting terror based on the knowledge it can use US, Saudia and CHina.

US is already sick of Paksitan.

Saudia can be convrted by India to be nuetral

But China is the key. China needs India for the 40 billion dollars exprts to India. In case we can convince them that Pakistan is dangerous to them, they will dump it. aftr all they only pump money into Pakistan and not get anything except transit facitlitis in return.

but communist China is more scared of terrorism which is Pakistan’s only achievement in 63 yrs of existence than India. They threw all Pakistanis out of Beijing before the Olympics. And honeslty young Chinese have more in common with Indians than with Pakistan. I mean the local people. Like SOng and dance, pubbing, daroo, running after music and girls, free society etc etc. I say this after moving around CHina quite a bit.

One needs a good FM like Jaswant Singh to convey this fact…

Pakistan which has survived as the third ball of CHina will fall apart if the master starts loving India more…

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@ Mahesh,

You need to trav el around China to understand what I am getting at. While I always try to post a profound idea with a bit of humour, I hope you understand the spirit behind it and not try to make fun of it….

Communism is a dead goal and their youngsters are shadow Americans who would do anyting to migrate to the West. They are more or less sick of authoritarian regimes and really do not have any love for an idea as authortarian as Pakistan. They would rather spend time at a Karaoke club or breaking loose than a military drill.

And a state which has banned religion would not want itself assosciated with a nation whose main export is religious terror. Our shared history of Buddhism can be a basis for removing mistrust. It is for India to convince China to see this truth. That is why it re3quires a good foreign office.

Unfortunately in India we spend too much time on heavy discussions than understand the ground realities of the world. In the past month, CHina had been willing to ditch communist North Korea because it smelt more dollars from exports to the West,

I have no doubts it will ditch Pakistan in case it sees more trade possibilities with India and the possibility that closeness with Pakistan can result in terror imports to its own shores.

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@ Mahesh,

The basic thrust of my argument was that Pakistan can start changing if it sees support to it from China is dimnishing. It is for us to manipulate such a situation.

Further on China is no longer a spartan Maoist regime as some Indian communist ideologues want us to believe. It is a society which is longing to discover its gentle Buddhist past. You should alos appreciate that in a country in which religion is more or less banned, Shree Shree RaviShankar has been given a 200 acre built up centre to propogate stress free living.

What I am saying is that indiviudally the Chinese people would probably understand and relate to a liberalIndian society better than they would a militairistic religious society which Pakistan now represnts.

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Couple of Points.
I dont think India can moderate or influence the Saudi or Chinese relationship with Pakistan.
Reasons.

Saudi’s Royal family and Pak army are close. Pak army looks upon the Saudi Royal family as a source of money in a dire situation. As their God father and the leaders of the Sunni ummah. The Saudi Royal family looks upon Pakistan as an Islamic Sunni state that has the nuclear bomb which may be of some service to the Sunni Saudi kingdom in a imaginary Sunni-Shia war with Iran.
Yes Saudis look upon Pakistanis with contempt and cosider them dirty and corrupt but they have a relationship that re-inforces both the ruling Saudi family and the rulers of Pakistan , the Pak army/isi.
This nexus is perhaps the most vile of all nexuses in the Jihadi world, but thats a reality.
The wikileaks only re-inforce that argument.
That relationship will only change if either one of the regimes ( Saudi or Pakistan ) changes to a real democratic nation. Then they will have normal relations ( no free oil for Pakstan and nor Pak servile to Saudis ) based on merit.

China : For China, Pak is a most servile ally, who will take any insult and serve any orders because of Pak fear and hatred of India. China just milks that Pak fear and it also gives China the leverage to use Pak in its geo-politics against India. That relationship will not change its character unless the relationship between India and Pakistan changes.
The relationship between India and Pakistan will not change in the foreseeable future.

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@Rajiv

I think we can better leverage the trade we give to CHina. A histoical opportunity is being missed here.

The newer generation Chinise have little love for Mao and more love for dollars. Even though they find Pakistan a servil state willing to do anything for them, they also feaer that migrating Pakistanis will get their baggage of terror and fundmantalism.

Furtheron letting the Pakistani NUkes fall into Taliban hands is bad for all, including China.

We need to divide and rule and drive this point to CHina,

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Further on the three piece suit wearing Chinese can be used to send a message to our Maoists and their idelogues. That China has destroyed Maoist legacy and their is no point in you pushing this ideology onto us.

Unfortunately no one is using the CHinese business growth as a tool for destroying Maoist thought in India….

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no proportionate or findable report from ht on vilasrao dehmukh scam slammed by court…

just like raja scam,cwg scam quatrochi etc etc…

ht and its congress media gang is also hiding swiss bank loot petition in court filed 1 1/2 yr ago just like raja scam..congress has not acted on swiss ban petition..

the same thing like raja scam will happen..

sharma is editor and he is busy hyping yedurrappa and bjp 2001…

yeddy did not do anything illegal and criminal and has returned the land..

but the honest sharma wll deceive by hiding these facts just like he does his congressi status..

and yet there r hopeless indians who give him integrity certs..despite the obvious deceit..

even toi called him as a congress spokesman to sub for congressis today
because sharmas congress is hiding from people..

and honest pm is chup for months except when he gave raja a honest cert…

looks like these guys r using a different congress dictionary..
for words like clean,integrity,honest..

wow now congressis will chage meanings of a british language…

queen victoria’s english is now being annexed by queen sonia’s

and buddies shenoy and sharma r happy…

how about some shakespeare in queen sonia’s english shenoy…

where honesty means deceit and coverup…..

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@Vinod Sharma ji

Sir
But you still did not give a direct answer. You very smartly defected it to be not commenting on the main point i.e. “Did n’t the demonisation of Mr. Modi by the Indian media help the terrorists in Pakistan to be speaking the same language.?”. If you like to respond to this point, I shall be still interested to read it. If you want to avoid, even that be understandable.
BNA

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Digvijay Singh is a moron who is causing harm to the cause of Indian Muslims by misleading them. He is doing what Mulayam did a few years back– trying to make Muslims stand up for someone who is a criminal and a terrorist. And because he is a HIndu, some Muslims will now start saying that if a HIndu can have doubts on who killed Karkare, dal mein jaroor kala hai….

Like Mani Aiyar, he will probably be the cause on why COngress will be swept off in the next elections….

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Vinodji,

You are being disingenuous in saying that ‘It is not for the media to seek resignation… That is the job of the Opposition’. The media demanded, big time, the resignation of Raja and got it. All editors, withouit exception are demading, in lengthy editorials and articles, the resignation of Yeddyurappa. Why, then, this sqeamishness about asking fellow secular, Digvijay Singh to resign?

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There is lot of deliberate dishonesty in Mr Sharma’s remarks on Digvijay.

Lets assume for a moment that whatever that callous , crook Congressman called Digvijay is saying is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So , lets assume Karkare spoke to Digvijay and said , as Digvijay says, complained he was being criticized by some leaders on the right for his investigations.

Thats nothing new or different from what Karkare’s wife has said about Karkare being criticized by some Muslim leaders when he investigated criminals who happened to be Muslims and he was also criticized by some right wing leaders when he investigated them.

But the big question is , what does all of that have to do with the killing of Karkare and 100’s others people by Islamic Republic of Pakistan trained terrorists on 26/11 ?

This is what Digvijay has to say , clarifying his remarks, about Karkare’s killing.

Explaining his remarks, Singh later said he did not say that RSS was behind 26/11 Mumbai strikes and that he has “absolutely no doubt” that Karkare was killed by Pakistani terrorists.

So as you can see these Congress criminals, are just playing a communal card, muddying waters, insinuating things without any basis. Mr Sharma, assuming a normal IQ , could not have missed what the US ambassador to India could see clearly

“Congress party made the cynical political calculation to lend credence to the conpiracy theories” and adds
“”The entire episode demonstrates that the Congress Party will readily stoop to the old caste/religious-based politics if it feels it is in its interest,” Mulford alleged, according to the cable posted by WikiLeaks on its website on Friday.

No Digvijay should not resign, he should be expelled from the Congress party and investigated for links with Indian Mujahideen.

Regarding Mr Sharma’s skirting the real issues on this, thats no surprise.

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To all my pakistani friends especially ravi, bobby and azhar,
Happy surrender day..Dec 16th

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To all pakistanis- happy surrender day
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=166308

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How Indian Army evacuated 93000 Pakistani POWs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDjfq-CQULk

I think Azhar should thank India for this gesture.

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oh really..sharma…

muslims were intentionally misled by false propagnda
against modi for 8 years and running..by congress media
cohorts like u..and they became an industry from which
treacherous indian media and others made money..fron foreign sources
not mention votes for congress

u have some nerve to now causally say on tv…
that bjp celebrated sit clearnce..

the media is a fake with vested interests in india
congrats fror ur nmc reward for ur services to congress
just like ur predecessor whose paper
is part of these jihadis…

immediately after 26-11 it started a aman ki asha campaign
and recently this interlocutor was speaking for pakistan

and u as usual supprted it..

without caring a dime for terrorist victims..just like ur z security
congressis

what about alienation of hindus…do u have a brain to even look
at the interests of the majority…

congress has been using gujarat riots for consolidating muslim votebank just like they used
26-11..and u r not apatch on wiki leaks..

ur just a agent with vested interests disguised as media
and u guys were caught…this shows how u were deciving and hiding
truth by ur disguise..thoug not all were fooled..

ur congress is the master of divide india for votebanks

so u speaking about alienation of muslims after lieing to them that hindus,bjp and modi r
bad is an evil joke..

and what about the hindus..do they have a right to alienation
mr brain with 50 % cutoff..over issues like
degnga,and kashmir….

and u r aminority comm chair..

yeah that sinecures is only a tool to divide and rule
by labelling peole as minorities an dnot indians..

u r noth worth even thinking about modi…

modi always talks about 5 crore gujaratis,a dn indians

and not minority like u and ur masters

so u lie against bjp diabollically to consolidate votebank on congress orders

and abuse cbi …and u hide teesta perjury..

wow…. ur vested intersets are hidden by u…

just like ur cohorts did untill the radia exposed them…

and only fools will belive u and ur congress..

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Vijay Kumar,

your posts on China are interesting as well as illuminating. At one place you have said, “One needs a good FM like Jaswant Singh to convey this fact…”. Here, you are right, India needs, at this time, a foreign minister of his calibre. Moreover, it is just possible that the Chinese would have loved his militaristic demeanor with his khaki safaris. They would also have been overawed by his dictatorial tone of speech, which unfortunately goes over the heads of most Indians.

The present FM, Krishna, is more worried about his wig flying off or his land scams coming to light with Yeddyurappa going after him hammer and tongs.

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shenoy

this is ur congress and frend sharma.. media hides all congress scams for 60 yrs..they only take up those scams when they r exposed by court and radia tapes by open magazine after hiding it..for a year

and hype bjp so called scams…

yeddy and bjp r not perfect..but so far the media has only talked about denotification which is legally allowed..because of congress rulers doing it for decades in all states…

so congress is to blame for having this denotification law…in the first place…

so why is sharma hiding vilas rao scam in mumbai about interference with fir
and what about ysr sons bungalow in bangalore…

another comment elsewhere said

>>Congress should never be allowed to come back to power for ever. Now, the IT department is investigating the corruption by Congress ex CM YSR and his son, after he left the party.

But the corruption took place while they were part of the Congress running into several thousand crores. Why they did not take any action while Jagan was in congress? President should dismiss Congress government in AP immediately. SHAME ON SONIA, MANMOHAN AND ENTIRE UPA2. They all should be hanged in public…

to equate denotification yeddy to swissbank most assets congress is to equate
a student who gets 1 % qs wrong to a student who gets 99 % wrong

no one can be so stupid ..only a treacherous motivated person

who hates the better student/bjp,and works for the worse student/cong , will hype the 1% wrong
and recommend that the worse student shuld be chosen for a job..

and mind u denotification is not illegal..

and yeddy would have to loot as much as dharam singh,gundu rao,krishna and hrk
to justify ur equal equal ploy used by the likes of sharma..

for 60 yrs congress misruled and looted…and u could not do anything..

and now u want perfection for bjp..

if there is a choice between two servants to hire….we chooose
the better one…same goes for all choices like college etc

and if u do not know that the choice is between nda and upa
or bjp vs secular twins cong hrk…

then u need to enroll in school for logic..this is a nobrainer

because u were too busy with literature and shakespeare…

even a dimwit wuld realize bjp nda is much better than congress..

no wonder india is poorest and most looted tahnks to peole like u

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@ Shenoy and Mahesh

Thank you Shenoy. I have travelled around CHina pretty extensively and only hope that my postings help in making some small change somewhere in India handling china better.

You are probably right , though a bit cruel about SM Krishana ! We do need a more assertive FM. Tharoor with his fabled connections turned out to be a dud. Pranab was ok but was shunted out. Maybe the Congress should send one of its younger set like Scindia or Manish Tewari. Tewari with his non stop monotone will surely bore the Chinese, Pakistanis and AMericans into conceding everyting just to make him(Tewari) shut up…

More seriously Mahesh let me answer you point wise.

a) Mao: Mao is probably a common concern of both India and CHina. The Chinese while not totally repudiating his legacy, in private keep saying that Mao did MANY MANY MANY bad things. THeir economy today is not Maoist in any manner but capitalism with an authortarian control. You can buy anything from China, but very very difficult for you to sell your products there, till you get some hidden nods….

Recently Mao’s grandson has been rising fast in the red army, sending a shiver down the spine of most Chinese. China rewarded him by giving him a double promotion in the army, making him one of the youngest generals and then nuetralised him by letting featuring him in press and media interivews. This Maoist loves food especially ham and bacon and the interviews with his photographs conveyed to the people, his love for pigs and his gross overweight…. thus making him a fun figure….

On the flipside, India’s leftist “un”intellectuals still love the make believe Mao. The great helmsman who wearing a tilted cap lead a peasant revolution. This imaginary figure has been used by Arundhati Roy clones to call the rest of India exploitative.Unfortunately the real inteligensia has to debunk this mythical figure from mind of the Indian Maoists,otherwise we are in for real bad times because of Naxalism.

The actual problems in Jharkhand, Orissa and Andhra can be solved in the framework of a people friendly market policy. The revenues from mining should NOT go to monoplists like the the Reddy brothers but at least 50% should be visibly spent in the very district the mining is happening.

THIS IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID WE CAN USE THE CHINESE SUFFERINGS UNDER MAO TO
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DISSUADE OUR YOUTH FROM GOING ALONG THAT PATH

b) Mahesh you said youth all over the world are same. Of course they are. But what I was stressing was that CHinese youth are different from Pakistani youth as they are not being brainwashed to follow a religious ideology which is out to destroy the world and convert the world to one version of one religion.

China’s two prominent ideologies are Maoism– which it does not follow nor enforce. And money making– which Deng called its new religion.

The first ideology is dead. So no worries from it. While you could call its second ideology shallow or hollow, but it is not dangerous to anyone. Except maybe the environment, in case they do not follow environmental laws in industrial units, given their massive manufacturing capacity.

c) We need to be friends with CHina, iwthout giving up our core concerns and to push our agenda. There is a chance that democratic reform may come there in the next decade, given the fact that they travel all over the world for trade.

We have 5000 years of non violent history with them. Problems happened in 62 because of communism And if communism goes away maybe we can have peacefull relations again….

At this point they can royally screw us by diverting Brahamaputra waters. Bangladesh will dry up then, while our north east will totter. No country in the world would intervene on our behalf if this happens. …

ANyway this post is getting too long. My site engineer is calling me repeadetly, so I will contiue in some other posting…

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no shrmaji i want them to loot the country even more than the almost $500 b to $1 trillion looted from poorest india with most poor

and stoke comunal pasions as confirmed by wikileaks

happy..

yeah but a hungry thief will be arrested by your congress
and meritoriious will not get jobs
while peole like u will be given rewards

happy..in anyother country these r serious crimes done by ur congress

which has controlled power to do them.

now go and fret about yeddy denotification which was made legal by ur congress
for years in their rule….so congies r responsible..not yeddy.

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Many Pakistanis, fed or force-fed by a constant anti-India propoganda by the Pak state and media have a certain perverted and distorted idea of Indian Muslims.
They should read what US Ambassador has to say about Indian Muslims

India’s over 150 million Muslim population is largely unattracted to extremism, U.S. diplomatic cables have said, endorsing India’s vibrant democracy, inclusive culture and nationalistic nature of the minority community.

“Separatism and religious extremism have little appeal to Indian Muslims, and the overwhelming majority espouse moderate doctrines,” Former U.S. envoy to India, David Mulford said in a cable released by whistle-blower website WikiLeaks.

“India’s growing economy, vibrant democracy, and inclusive culture, encourage Muslims to seek success and social mobility in the mainstream and reduces alienation. With Indian Muslim youth increasingly comfortable in the mainstream, the pool of potential recruits is shrinking, while Muslim families and communities provide little sanction or support to extremist appeals,” the cable said.

The vast majority (of Muslims) remain committed to the Indian State and seek to participate in mainstream political and economic life, it said.

Although there are a wide variety of Islamic religious, political and social organisations, most Muslims join or support secular groups without a specific Islamic identity.

India’s vibrant democracy has ensured that the large Muslim community has a voice in politics and recent elections have demonstrated that Muslim voters are courted actively by political parties, the leaked cable said.

“With a Muslim President (A.P.J. Abdul Kalam) occupying the highest political position in the country, Muslims have been encouraged to seek political power in electoral and parliamentary politics, all but eliminating the appeal of violent extremism,” the cable added.

India’s secular education system increasingly integrates Muslim students into the mainstream and has spawned a growing and prosperous Muslim middle class.

The cable said that, “Young and dynamic Muslims are popular culture heroes in sports (Sania Mirza) and Bollywood (Sharrukh Khan and many others). The message for young Muslims is that they are Indians first and Muslims second, and that they can fully participate in Indian society and culture and win the adulation and respect of other Indians, regardless of religion.”

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Hi Everyone,
I am touring North America, and was surprised to see the support for India. let us grab this moment, strengthen ourselves and stand up to unholy nexus between Pakis and Chinese. Mahesh be damned.

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I think wikileaks revelations will go a long way to delegitimizing Sonia ( unprincipled and opportunistic ) and Rahul ( irrational , unbalanced ) and consumed by hate against those that campaigned against his mother for her foreign origins.
He looks like a lunatic as much as Varun but obviously more dangerous.
I dont see Congress winning next elections.

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Praveen Saxenaji,

Those days the country’s prime minister used to request the Russians to keep our reds on a leash and scream of a foreign hand (read CIA) in everything that happened in India. Today, we have our own Radias telling the prime minister whom to appoint as minister and for which “affairs” (external, home, telecom etc). But the sorrier part is that the prime minister is weak enough and weaker-willed enough to listen to these fixers and movers going by the rather innaucuous nomenclature of lobbyists. The sorriest lot has befallen to the Indian praja. They have to contend with a foreign-born lady with a small intellect as the super-prime minister, who has no stakes in this nation’s honour and pride, nor in its progress. While she could speak “garrulously” for hours to the wife of California’s governor, she couldn’t, in more than three months, utter a single word when Ksashmir was boiling and more than a hundred people died!

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Being heard on the street that Prabhu Chawla of Radia Tapes fame has been made to resign from TV Today Group. MJ Akbar would be doing the programme Sidhi Baat. Prabhu Chawla may go to Indian Express which finds him useful.

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After Rahul’s comments to the American ambassador there is a real ned to size him up.

I am reminded of Rajiv Gandhi’s time, when I was in school. His spin doctors — Arun Nehru, Arun Singh and later Mani AIyar came up with a simple theory. That he is From Doon School !! and thum saala Indian jaanta hai ki doon school ka matlab kya hai…?

That Rajiv Gandhi did try to modernise is important. But also important to note that it was the COngress party, before him, which had shackled India’s entreprise…

So what is this so called charisma of Rahul ++

a) He is the heir of Rajiv and from the Gandhi parivar. So there is an inborn fuedal era.

b) he is Gora chitta and slim. Wears white clothes and looks neat

c) He has toured the country relentlessly and created some sort of revivial of the Congress in UP and some other parts of the country.

But………. the BIG IF AND BUT !!

a) Has not handled any portfolio or managed a result oriented job like you and me do !! And that is where the vital opening for an opposition is. When I was doing a job, my boss used to give me a deadline and a target. and so do all of us. Even Vinodji! SO Has Rahul ever done this sort of thing?

If he has not , then being the PM of India is not the sort of place for on job training !!!

b) Has been wishy washy and evasive on hard issues and taking stance on hard issues. In fact even Priyanka’s magnamity of forgiving Nalini was a childish selfish act in which she bought peace with the LTTE for the safety of her family, forgetting that Rajiv was India’s PM and not just her father. Rahul conveniently kept quiet.

I think the opposition now has to conjure up an inclusive figure with a global vision who can take a diverse country forward. Jaitly??/ Is he the man??????????????????

Can he give eloquont speeches like Vajpayee??

Or maybe get Abdul Kalam?

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The wikileaks , particularly Rahuls tirade and focus on so called Hindu extrimist groups ( Not Pakistan ISI and Army that trained and funded the 26/11 attack, together with numerous other terrorist strikes all accross India in last 20 years ), not Al-Qaida, or Lashker-e-toiba or Jaish-e-Mohammad ) , will expose his thinking and motivations to the Indian public and hand like an albatross around his political ambitions.

I was more or less neutral on him so far. Not any longer. Everything that he now says or does is suspect. I think, he will be consigned to the dustbin of Indian politics , the same dustbin to which politicians like Abdul Rehman Antulay, Digvijay Singh have been thrown.

( @Vijay Sharma : I have responded to your comment . You may check the reply to older comments )

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~~~~~~~~TODAY’S HINDUSTAN TIMES REVEALS ALL !!!! ~~~~~~~

That the Congress caught in scandals of its own makings is going to divert public attention by shouting BJP BJP BJP !!!!

What a shame !! This is what most people on this blog suspected…. and now this is official policy?

What comments Vinod Sharmaji? Is your papaer wrong? Were not the suspicians of us bloggers right???

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with due respect mr vinod the problem with India is that it whenever there is tension between the two countries it puts blame over the pakistan army wihout any rational and logical analysis. I agree to a certain extent that the pakistan army doesnt’ have a friendly attitude towards indians but things aren’t also good in India. Most of india’s scholars, journalists, and intellectuals havent accepted pakistan as a seperate sovereign state, backed by hindu extremist groups. This can be judged by the fact that the criticism Mr Vajpayee faced by the Indian media after his visit to Pakistan and signing of the Lahore Declaration. As far as rationality is concerned the irresponsible nature of the indian media can be judged by the fact that immediately after the 26/11 incident it started blaming Pakistan for the attacks without any proof and evidence. The same reaction could be seen after the attacks on Samjhota Express and the Indian parliament. I think the time has come that the indian media should stop lobbying against Pakistan and show some rationality and logic in its remarks. The havoc created by Pakistani media is the reaction to the aggressive and prejudiced attitude of the indian media.

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@ Vinod Sharma,

Sir, a personal question.

Will you also fall in line with Rahil’s demand of shouting out babri Masjid, RSS and BJP whenever the question of 178000 crores looted comes up?

And secondly suddenly as in 1989 the LTTE which is a dead body has been resurrected by the DMK to send a message that the royal family be awaew that in case you probe too deeply something may happen. Now should we like cowards fall in line and let Barkha, Kanimozhi, DMK and COngress enjoy the loot as in case we probe too deeply the LTTE message by the DMK stands loud and clear….

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Somehow history seems to keep repeating. After Rajiv Gandhi , the PM who the country gave the mandate of more than 413 MPs , had made a statement in the Parliament that neither he nor any member from his family had taken any bribes from Bofors AG, the present PM has offered to depose before PAC to clear his position in the scams that robbed this country. .

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I think we need to unscramble more of the Radia tapes to understand how many journalists were actually linked to the gravy train run by the COngress.

Tehelka today gave a list of all the good things done by the COngress. NDTV is equating Yedurappa withe 2G and saying it cancels out.

O boy.. is there somebody really talking about India????

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Regarding Congress shouting at its conclave :

Chor Machay Shor
Maha Chor , machay maha shor.

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India’s nuclear forces say that India has been furiously stockpiling weapons grade material for over ten years.

Stockpile or no stockpile, why hasn’t the nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington & New York (see below) been carried out yet? All it needs is six to seven warheads of about twenty kilotons each — one for the RAW headquarters area and one for the North & South Blocks area in New Delhi, one for New York, one for Washington — these four warheads to be exploded simultaneously — and two to three warheads emplaced in two to three additional U. S. cities with the warning that two to three additional U.S. cities will be destroyed if there is any retaliation. The only way the United States will be able to keep two to three additional U.S. cities (or more if nuclear warheads have already been emplaced in more than two to three additional U.S. cities) from being destroyed is by doing nothing in return. After this, India can do all the testing and stockpiling it wants for the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States five years later. It is the exploding of the above four nuclear warheads, with two to three additional warheads emplaced in two to three additional U.S. cities, which will make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

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” Lokpal cannot look into PM’s work relating to international relations, external and internal security, maintenance of public order, atomic energy and space”. So the Lokpal cannot do anything about CIA rule over India, illustrated by the following:-

I) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites which can hack into and operate any digital equipment. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian woman who gets the largest cut. The Sukhoi crash on Dec. 13 ‘11 and the grounding of the Sukhoi fleet has been caused 2 days ahead of the purchase decision as the purchase was made impossible by my opposition to it. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

II) INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS, ATOMIC ENERGY & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom: “India’s government lends hundreds of billions of dollars to the U. S. government in exchange for worthless U. S. paper but seeks foreign investment and World Bank loans for projects in India, giving ownership and control of India to India’s enemies, despite the unlimited capital available to India by simply printing the money; see ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog; as is described there, the United States has been applying my proposal about money by stealth and now also openly but Manmohan Singh refuses to do so because this bugger — a CIA appointee — does what serves the United States’, not India’s, interests.” Manmohan Singh told George W. Bush, with whom he castrated India, through the nuclear deal, both militarily and economically (see my blog), that Indians “deeply love” him.

III) INTERNAL SECURITY:
When Atal Behari Vajpayee was prime minister, he had once gone to Bombay and spoken to the stock exchange about applying my proposal about money to India’s economy, after which he had to abort his flight back to Delhi for fear his plane will crash. The murders of several politicians by air crash have been committed by CIA-RAW. A recent example was the murder of the Andhra Pradesh chief minister by air crash. In my blog (‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’ which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title) I have described how Indira Gandhi when prime minister in 1980 went to her kitchen with the then U. S. Vice President and former CIA Director, George Herbert Walker Bush, to arrange for the murder by air crash of her son Sanjay Gandhi who had taken to slapping her in the presence of others under my influence and the then CIA Director, Frank Carlucci, publicly claimed credit for that air crash via a letter that appeared in National Review. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom .

IV) ATOMIC ENERGY:
Former Atomic Energy head, P. K. Iyengar, who pioneered Cold Fusion research in India, died on December 21 ‘11.

In my second addendum dated March 15, 2006 in my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, I said:-

“RAW suppresses, in service of the Americans, research of various kinds such as energy sources that go beyond conventional nuclear power. An M.I.T. scientist, Eugene Mallove, on an American radio program, ‘Coast to Coast’, described how Indian scientists at the Bhabha Atomic Research Center were “going crazy” with their research and results on cold fusion–which generates energy in table top experiments with simple apparatus– but when vested interests (hot fusion, which gets multiple billions of dollars per year in funding, feels threatened, among others) in the United States had a U.S. government body declare cold fusion invalid (on ludicrous grounds such as that, under the laws of Physics, such a thing cannot occur; under such logic, Einstein’s Theory of Relativity would have been ruled invalid because it violated Newton’s Laws; within the past week, there have been reports in the New York Times about an Indian scientist in the U.S. struggling against his successful cold fusion research being declared invalid and shut down), RAW, which functions as a branch of the C.I.A., “killed it” (the research on cold fusion at BARC) [because "T H E G R E A T U N I T E D S T A T E S" (he said this in a mocking tone mimicking the Indians' reverential, awed and obedient attitude to the U.S.) says there is nothing to it]. The C.I.A. knew I was listening to this broadcast and this M.I.T. scientist, who could have been a source of support (he had criticized Einstein; I have written about Einstein stealing most of his ideas from others) was brutally murdered shortly after that broadcast. I have said before that other American and Indian scientists who have known me or could have been sources of support have died sudden, premature deaths. Among numerous new sources of energy are research results and serious proposals to get energy from empty space, that is, vacuum (before you look askance at this, know that, under modern theories of Cosmology, a branch of Physics, the entire universe has arisen out of absolutely nothing). //

During World War II, the Germans made large scale conversion of coal into motor fuel. With petroleum prices where they are now, this old technology is highly economical and viable. But anything that lessens the United states’ control over India is suppressed by RAW. ”

Iyengar opposed the nuclear deal. In “Objections to the Nuclear Deal” in my blog above, I have pointed to the availability of unlimited amounts of Uranium from sea water for which India had already developed the technology years ago but that has been suppressed and continues to be suppressed for the same reason; see addendum dated March 27, 2008 in my blog.

For an instance of suppression of India’s and the world’s greatest scientist, see ‘B. F. Skinner’s Plagiarism’ and press release dated April 26, 2011 in my blog.

V) INTERNAL & EXTERNAL SECURITY:
“India’s greatest scientist and greatest living Indian publicly tortured in Harvard seminar, systematically and totally starved for up to 3 weeks at a time, made semi-starved and homeless and even blind for years, kept under 24-hour audio and video surveillance as well as surveillance of [and interference with] communications and electrical typewriter and computer use, document creation and photocopying, etc., by satellite for more than past 3 decades, systematically harassed and in poverty and neutralised and robbed of his work at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, robbed of crores in his money and property in India by C.I.A.-RAW, forced back into exile in the U.S., all with full cooperation and participation of India’s RAW and India’s C.I.A.-RAW-controlled prime ministers, politicians and media” and how this means the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and then the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States.”

VI) SPACE:
On November 22, 2009 I said (see my blog):

“The ’space initiative’ is meant to take control of India in another strategic area — as the nuclear deal was meant to take control of India’s nuclear program. There are multifarious prongs the U.S. is pursuing to enslave India.

One of the worst of these is bringing American universities to India (see what I have said above [in my blog] about American universities). Kapil Sibal [who sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in the crimes described in V) above] will be publicly tortured in a stadium full of people, disemboweled and dragged around by his intestines around his neck before he is skinned alive and fed to dogs for this and other crimes, along with Manmohan Singh, of course.”

Lokpal cannot do that.

VII) PUBLIC ORDER:
On November 20, 2009 I wrote (see my blog): “While RAW has always been a branch of the C.I.A., the Tamil traitor-enemy Chidambaram has made other Indian intelligence agencies branches of the United States intelligence agencies, bringing in U.S. equipment to India to enable comprehensive real-time monitoring and interception ability for the U.S. of all communications in India, a comprehensive and total censorship power to the United States of not only what gets into the Indian media of all kinds [for example, CIA-RAW can block, partially block, alter or remove communications -- not just comments -- to news media at will and in real time and does it all the time; it can and does also alter the content of web pages, for example, published news reports] but even communications between individuals, bringing India into a colonial grip of and slavery to the United States such as has never been seen in human history. None of this will be allowed, no nuclear deal in any form, no IAEA inspections of any kind of anything in India, no guards of honour, no state dinners, no representing India for C.I.A.-RAW operatives.”

Lokpal cannot do this.

VIII) PUBLIC ORDER:
A MAGICAL SOLUTION TO POVERTY: In my article titled “A Magical Solution to Disaster Relief” I gave the formula: the government should invite any and all individuals and organizations including companies to “Find a need and fill it and be reimbursed at double your cost” — in normal times a 50% profit may be enough incentive — to provide food, shelter. clothing and services to the public and be reimbursed at 50% over their cost; the only condition should be that the goods and services they provide must be ADDITIONAL PRODUCTION and not taken from existing supplies. The beneficiaries can also be employed for the production. The government has an unlimited amount of money simply by printing it so long as it is used for PRODUCTION; see my article ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog. The above applies to ALL goods and services to fill ALL societal needs.

Lokpal cannot do that.

IX) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
In a press release dated June 30, 2011 titled “National Security Doctrine” (see my blog) I said:

“An ugly white woman columnist at the New York Times wrote that she looks forward to having her columns written by “external cognitive servants” in Bangalore. The Manmohan Singh cabinet a few days ago approved a plan for bringing foreign investment and technology to create one hundred million manufacturing jobs in India, bringing essentially the entire population of India into servitude to the United States. A nation is not strong whose people are servants of an external power. The National Security Doctrine permits Indians to be neither cognitive servants nor manufacturing servants of the United States. ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog above provides the means for true prosperity and full employment for Indians.”

Lokpal cannot do that.

X) EXTERNAL SECURITY:
Indians as a rule are inferior Indian nig gers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his ‘Mein Kampf’ Adolf Hitler said “As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else”. It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that. // A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them). // I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches. See InferiorIndianNiggersDOTblogspotDOTcom . //

Lokpal cannot do anything about this.

XI) PUBLIC ORDER:
India can abolish poverty and be the supreme power in the world immediately; see AMagicalSolutionToPovertyDOTblogspotDOTcom and my blog ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’. The United States has been applying my proposal about money, above, by stealth and now also openly. An obstacle to its implementation in India is the fear that it will make the lower castes — who form the bulk of India’s population — prosperous and that will lead to an increasing incidence of inter-caste marriages and, since the lower castes are intellectually and morally inferior, to the deterioration and death of society. A ban on inter-caste marriages will take care of this fear and enable my proposal about money to be implemented. The caste-corruption of society and other kinds of corruption go together. There is no need for a Lokpal, just an end to caste-corruption of society. Since the bulk of India’s population is low caste, democracy necessarily means rule by the intellectually and morally inferior. Hence democracy must end.

Lokpal cannot do this.

In my blog, ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.’, which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title, there are many more examples of CIA rule over India, which keeps India poor, weak and enslaved, about which Lokpal cannot do anything but Satish Chandra can and abolish poverty & make India the supreme power in the world immediately.

The content above was posted as a comment on Joginder Singh’s column in The Pioneer on December 25, 2011 but was immediately removed by RAW because Joginder Singh is a former head of CBI. You cannot have an independent CBI with or without Lokpal because in India EVERYBODY — including Lokpal advocates and any future Lokpal, not just Parliament, the Executive, the Judiciary, the media, NGOs, etc. — is under RAW which is a branch of the CIA; see ‘What You Should Know About RAW’ at WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom . As I have shown in my blog, the Lokpal movement was sponsored by CIA-RAW to divert attention from India’s War of Independence; see JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblospotDOTcom .

I had asked the Indian Army to arrest the top one thousand or so officers of RAW. It has not done so. But, as I have said, India’s nuclear forces obey Satish Chandra. He does not need India’s conventional forces or the rest of the government and citizenry to defend India which requires the destruction of RAW which will be done by nuclear means, that is, the simultaneous nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York, with a warning that additional U. S. cities will be destroyed, with nuclear warheads already emplaced in them by special forces, if there is any retaliation.

There has been a lot of media coverage of the Kolkata hospital fire that killed about 93 people and of the responsibility for it. How much coverage is there of the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and of the responsibility for it? Those responsible for the latter — CIA & RAW — are still removing my posted comments in the press that might warn people and avoid the deaths of millions. The responsibility for these deaths is the media’s.

As I have said in my blog, killing a few million Indians in the nuclear destruction of New Delhi/ Delhi is nothing more than killing cockroaches. It will not make even a dent in India’s economic or military strength. On the other hand, it will open the flood gates to both economic prosperity for India and its nuclear supremacy over the United States and enable India to eliminate its number one enemy.

Satish Chandra
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Sudhakar it should be Sonia and her henchmen, including Vir Singhvi, Barkha Dutt, Rajdeep Sardesai et al. Btw, pls remember this is the same Vir Singhvi of Nira Radia fame.

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Can’t understood your argument!! It was BJP who voted against the constitutional status for reasons well known. This would have made the Lokpal stronger. In RS, all regional parties will oppose state lokayukthas for obvious reasons. Govt is in a minortiy in RS. BJP piggy backed on Mamata and scuttled that as well. If at all there is a Lokpal, should that not be uniform to all Indians? Why should we have different aniti-corruption laws for different states? Govt should have graciously withdrawn the bill when it became clear that they would loose the vote.

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This guy sided with the muslim attackers of Mumbai. He allout approved of and condoned the attack on Mumbai where nearly 200 people died at the hands of the muslims. Soon after he hosted a documentary sympatizing with the muslim attackers. He is a crook and scamp and should not be trusted. He continually degrades and bad mouth India on American television. Wahe up Indians, you have a maasive problem in your country where the muslims are seeking to destroy you – they side with the rest of the muslims world and not india.

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Good. You can go on haj with him and the other role model and icon Zakir Naik.

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i think if true democracy comes, secularism and freedom of expression would follow automatically

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“The Politics of Rage: Why Do They Hate Us, in the Newsweek in the aftermath of 9/11. It was delusional, he argued, to think that terrorists target America because they are simply insane. ”

Hate (or rather imagined hate) is a part of the Islamic Theology.

What is the explanation otherwise for destroying the various deities of Kaaba by Prophet Muahmmed if not his hatred towards the people who wouldn’t want to agree with him and his theories on how the Kaaba was built by Abraham. According to archaeological evidence, even the city of Mecca didn’t exist before 3-4th century AD forget about Mecca existing prior to that. So, Muhammed just imagined it in his mind and wanted others to believe it as well and flew into a stubborn confrontation when others refused to accept up is down and down is up.

This is the core of Islam. Every religion is a way to channelize/package some human aspect. “Original and orthodox” Islam packages/redirects the human emotion of “anger and hate” into violence directed disbelievers.

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When was this article written? Could you not have changed some of the references from back in 2005 or so? “Iraq is a rogue nation”? Really? Hasn’t the dust settled on that one? Even a cut and paste artist makes some editorial efforts before pushing out stuff.

That said, I share your admiration for Fareed Zakaria.

However, he is not just a role model for muslims. He is role model for any immigrant in USA. Indeed, he doesn’t identify himself as a muslim on any public forum, nor does anybody else (except of course some right wing nuts leaving comments on public blogs)

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Finally an article from zia with which I don’t have a problem with…almost. Zia calls zakaria right but the American right calls him left. He gets all the best knowledgable guests and his shows are generally informative because of that. Ah…one more thing. Maybe he succeeded because he didn’t wear his religion on his lapel and he has talent and did not restrict himself to looking at the world through a religious and ummah prism like our Zia…

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Interesting. Why do you think that his dad is a closet jihadi?

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I think there are no dearth of Zakarias in India but India chooses not to find or focus on them. For obvious votebanking reason it chooses to look at things from wrong end of the spectrum and gets what it deserves.

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Fareed Zakaria is one the rarest of the rare persons who wears very lightly “the accident of his birth” in a family that is moslem. He does not make a living , wearing his “muslimness” on his sleeves. He never has an Islamic takkiya (lying) way of approaching facts, he is very sound on logic and given the constraints of dealing with islamic terrorism, does appear to go quite a distance. He has been quite categorical about Pakistan’s dubious role as the epicentre of Islamic Terrorism, he is, as yet, not an apologist.

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Dr. Rafiq Zakaria wrote a book in defense of the Quran when the Saffron terrorist Arun Shourie attacked the Holy Book in the 80s in the columns of the Indian Express – that perhaps is his crime in you view. Dr. Rafiq Zakaria was an Islamic scholar, an educationist who established many educational institutions and a Congress leader with the most secular of credentials. Only those who are extremists and terrorists themselves would call such a genteel, scholarly soul a closet terrorist.

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Are you a bramhin. Only a bramhin can make such stupid comments as yours. You are a bigger plonker than your post suggests.Would you care to watch MICHAEL MOORE’S FILM “SICKO”, or Homer Simpson In THE SIMPSONS.30%of AMERICANS DO NOT HAVE A HEALTH INSURANCE.
Insurance companies will not cover you for Pulmonary Embolism if you had suffered Deep Vein Thrombosis. But Pulmonary Embolism is the only major worry for someone with Deep Vein Thrombosis.
As regards ISRAEL Plaestanian conflici ISRAEL IS MAINLY TO BE BLAMED , palestanians are to be blamed for being a dickhead and not playing their cards right.
AMERICA IS IN THE POCKET OF JEWISH LOBBY
Read Academic work the THE AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ISRAEL LOBBY BY CHICAGO PROFESSOR John Mearsheimer and HARVARD PROFESSOR Steven Walt.

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If that was the case then the book by Chicago professor John Mersheimer and Harvard Professor Steven Walt called AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ISRAEL LOBBY would not have been published.
That said AMERICA IS IN THE POCKET OF JEWISH LOBBY

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I have no problems whatsoever with APJ Abdul Kalam, Mohammed Rafi, Maulana Azad, etc. They are Arabic origin names. But I suspect you may have problems with Indian sounding names.

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The precise point being made here is this that Zakaria is not a product of Islam. He may be (or may not be) a practicing muslim but that is just coincidental. At the best he could be called a product of Indian and American culture and education.

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@Azhar, I assumed people who have had the benefit of secular english education would have been able to unshakle themselves from the tyranny of “mob psychology” and reflect on issues around them as rational beings.
Your putting this growth statistics is a clear pointer that you feel strong in a crowd and vapourize as an individual..There are millions of ants and insects in any wooded area, but few lions and tigers. The measure of any civilization or group today, is the number of Nobel prizes in science or number of patents that group is able to register annually. Right from Morrocco till Malayasia, one would require a very powerful microscope to find patents, if any, recorded annually.This comfort in a crowd is a pathetic mind-set that reflects Yasser Arafat’s famous quote to crush Israel: The Bomb and the Womb. For your kind information the largest number of muslim converts in the UK and USA are the prison inmates. not a bit surpriing, given the rewards promised in the “Holy BooK” for committing atrocites.

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The Pakistanis have a lot to celebrate, please dont overlook the hard fact that they have been able to either slaughter/send packing almost 32% of their total , ( “kaffirs”) population who were Hindus/Sikhs. They are successful (with brutal violence) turning this part of India in to a Dar-ul-Harb”. They are able to impose the Shari ah, is that by any means any insignificant feat? They must now sit in the stew-pot that they have so passionately created, but what they hell, they are all going to get their 72 virgins, 80,000 servants.etc etc

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Another moronic clown. Whats your point? That islamic countries have more freedom than america or india? If you think that way, you live in a islamist bubble. Fareed Zakaria very frequently criticizes israel and even invites some islamist nutters to the program just expose your nutter brothers. So maybe you have not watched his program and speaking out your arse. Another ummah clown.

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Tejinder, Your “hopes” are not “facts”

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The exhindu Anjem represents islamist clowns, not the oppresed.

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Take his advice. Listen to Fareed zakaria and civilize yourself. Maybe you will even be civilized enough to leave the arab cult. Who knows….

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J and Z are not the same in english. Different alphabets. But your post is good. I agree with you other than the Jakaria part.

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What sort of an idiot are you? You don’t sound like an average Fareed Zakaria fan who generally have better IQ’s than average. You sound moronic. And please don’t tell anyone you are a fared zakaria fan. Thats an insult to fareed zakaria.

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to what?

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Engrich,
Happy Pakistan day to you and taliban.

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“your forefathers”??? Are you telling me that you are of Arab, Turkish or Persian invaders descent? Seriously? So you converted your race too? Or are you saying that you are a bast&rd child of the invaders? If that’s trueg, you are a foreigner and you should go back where your “fore fathers” came from.

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Why is he two faced? He has to be honest since he is a commentator. He has to bad mouth India if that’s where logic leads. Don’t you think there are many things in India which deserves some bad mouthing?

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Standard and Poor’s know India is the most corrupt country in the world. Its emerging economy is based on corrupt practices just like China’s and all other Asian and African countries. I am surprised India is rated BBB it should have been not even CCC but DDD. At the very bottom of their ratings!

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India rates low because it’s eye sight is focused on lowly things – democracy of the corrupts for the corrupts by the corrupts!

Most of the civilised world being focused on high sight (rule of law, ethics, accountability, responsibility etc), naturally they are cruising at high altitude.

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Size only gives india a better rating than it deserves..

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