Megalomania of the corrupt



Dev Kant Baruah was a scholar of considerable repute. But he’s remembered the most for his mawkish “Indira is India and India is Indira” quote as president of the Indian National Congress during the period of Emergency.

On some other occasion, like the Bangladesh war, the Assamese politician’s statement wouldn’t perhaps have invited as much ridicule. He chose to eulogize Indira at a time she was muzzling the media, imprisoning political rivals and violating all cannons of democratic behaviour.

You’d ask why I’m recalling this eminently forgettable chapter of our contemporary history? Well, it’s because of Karnataka Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa’s megalomania. He believes “the only successor to B S Yeddyurappa (in Karnataka) is B S Yeddyurappa.”

In defying the BJP high command, the CM has insulted the electorate.

Indira realized that they know better when Raj Narain defeated her in Rae Bareilly. So would Yeddyurappa.

He indeed is a tall leader of the Lingayats without whose appeal the BJP couldn’t have converted Karnataka into its first bastion in the South. The self-commendatory claim might have befitted at the height of his popularity. He’s now a man beleaguered by allegations of corruption, nepotism and the kind of cronyism the DMK’s A Raja practiced on a much larger scale as Telecom Minister.

Yeddyurappa’s case compares better with that of Natwar Singh who let his son’s avarice prevail over his better judgment. If allegations against him in the Adarsh Housing scam are true, even Ashok Chavan lost the Maharashtra chief ministership for a pittance— given the dazzlingly high stakes for which politicians sell their conscience and honesty these days.

They paid the price because law and the society do not predicate their judgment on the size of the booty. Bangaru Lakshman lost his job as BJP president for just one lakh rupees; bofors was minuscule compared to Raja’s appetite for slush money.

Reverting to the central theme of this post–the megalomania of the corrupt–Yeddyurappa’s self-image and Baruah’s description of Indira are mere symptoms of leaders turning against their makers at the first hint of a career crisis. The malaise isn’t India-centric. It afflicts politics across the world.

For this reason, it’s about time Parliament formulated ground rules for fighting the corrupt, regardless of their ideological or political allegiances. Those caught with their hand in the bin, should forever be banished from holding any party or public post.

Bhrashtachaarion ka bahishkaar!

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  • Praveen Saxena

    But what lessons can drawn by the ordinary citizens to fight corruption when it sees that the institutions meant to be watchdogs like the CVC , are demolished by appointing the compromised like PJ Thomas? Now we are awaiting the appointment of the next Dir CBI

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  • Praveen Saxena

    The response of the Government of India to query of the SC

    - The Central Government, represented by Attorney General GE Vahanvati, hit back at the judges saying that if impeccable integrity was the criterion then every judicial appointment would be subject to question

    Is this sentiment of the day ?

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  • VIjay Kumar

    @Vinod Sharma,

    Sir, the big issue of today is Raja and the big numbers which have gone into the pockets of his supporters and cronies.

    Tehelka created a sensation for Rs 1 lakh for Bangaru Laxman, but is now hiding somewhere as is the rest of the media in pinpointing all the people who are responsible for the loot by the Raja. Yedurappa too is bad and okay we need him out of the system.

    But Yedurappa cannot become the reason for the COngress not to take action against Raja and his cronies. Neither do Yedurappa’s crimes total up even to a fraction of the money made in the telecom scam. Land allotments to own kin are common by CM’s all over India. Check out Mayawati , Amar Singh, Hooda, Chautalas etc etc.

    In Andhra Raj Shekhar Reddy left his sons rich enough to buy TV channels all in the pretext of helping the poor. The Marans, Jaya and Karunanidhi own channels and papers. While who owns what in national channels can be a matter of conjecture.

    So in the end two questions are now bugging me

    a) Will the Congress keep saying that since MMS is honest we need not probe the telecom kickbacks

    b) Since ownerships of so many media houses reflect the investments of politcos, is the press and electronic media really as free as we want them to be?

    Would want to know your opinion on this….

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajeev

    “Dimaag kharab kar raha hai” really you are already there, its show in your post that your Dimaag is already karaab, why blame Mumtaz Mir.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Azhar Hussain – I don’t know what makes you so stupid, but it really works!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @Kushagra

    I am going to nominate you as a dialogue writer for Jaane bhi do yaaro — Part 2.

    Azhar alias Mumtaz Mir is crying for attention like a spoilt Pakistani state begging even the penguins in Antartica for aid. Or aids as Sal says…. :D :D

    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    :)

    Johnson Thomas K Reply:

    Raja’s corruption is 28 times the size of Bofors!!! Even Sitaram Yechury says the 2G scam money could have given 35 kilos of grains to the BPL families for a year or two or paid for the education of the poor for 5 years. Some others say that this 176,000 crores could have reduced India’s national debt by 50%!!! My calculation is that if this 176,000 crores were recovered by the central government it could have reduced taxes in India by 50% thereby reducing prices of every good and service at the point of consumption helping the poor the most. Add to this about $1 trillion parked by the corrupt in India in Swiss Banks like the UBS, Credit Suisse and other tax havens around the world. If this money is brought back either through competent recovery processes with a competent institutional infrastructure- it could build homes for the homeless, jobs for the jobless, health for the diseased, food for the malnourished. On top of this is the bureaucratic corruption which touches every person in the country from police stations to street corners to government hospitals to civil supplies offices to government run enterprises to others. The most vulnerable of the victims of corruption are the poor, the jobless, the people on margins such as low level casual workers, self employed shop keepers etc.

    We cannot lose sight of this by simply distracting ourselves to Karnataka scams. If Yediyurrappa has done wrong he too should be punished.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    I expected better understanding of the blog from you Vijay. I am writing about the megalomania of the corrupt. How they delude themselves when questioned and abused by people. The blog is no defence of anybody. It is a generic rejection of anything corrupt.
    For a change, pl take a question from my side: Did Yeddyurappa not sound like Dev Kant Baruah when he said ‘me alone can replace me?’

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma,
    Yeddyurappa has illusions of grandeur- which we all hope and pray will be punctured. Dev Kanta Baruah had no such illusions; he was just trying to be a typical Congressman.

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  • Vinay

    Reiterating again,

    Adarsh and Karnataka(/BJP) are regional corruption. Regional papers have to give more focus on them. CWG and 2G are corruption at national level and their scale is HUGE compared to the first two. These have to be probed more in national newspapers. (That does not mean, one justifies coruption in Maharashtra or Karnataka).

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Atleast Sharmaji has headed my Call of looking in the Mirror, and I see Vijay, Rajiv and Rajeev commenting like lame ducks.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Azhar;
    You are really thick skinned. Times and again, people have shooed you away but you will return as a housefly, who will return to pus and shit again and again. Take rest. Leave Indians alone. you are just an irritant and distraction. For your own safety,leave. Otherwise you may be killed as a house fly is killed by swatting.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Pankaj#zero

    House flies are getting swatted by the Kashmiris and Maoists.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Vinod;
    At least tone and tenor of your pen has changed slightly for better. I had a very high regard for MMS, which is getting diluted gradually. Best I can think about him is that he compromised in the national interest of India by accomodating these corrupt people, as he wanted a stable government prior to visits by Bush and Obama for mega deals with USA with a larger picture in mind.But the manner in which Raja got the communication was like snatching it from MMS. If we trace the history of this episode, I get the impression that this was being planned since 2006 when dayanidhi prepared the ground took spectrum from defense, as he must have smelt that this is where big money is. so in UPA II, DMK was hellbent to take this portfolio and did its tricks. My only objection in this particular episode is that how a PM can be bullied into submission by his ministers? UN Security Seat, removal of sanctions for dual use technology and Nuclear sanctions were such deals that those should have been dealt in a bipartisan manner and even BJP would not have allowed that opportunity to go away from India and would have supported the govenment selectively on these issues. I think congress wanted credit for itself only and hence went on suffering these corrupts. But Suresh kalmadi and his CWG? how come Suresh was tolerated? when it became obvious that he is doing large scale corruption,and if you could not remove him, you could have eaily made him ineffective. that is where doubt about congrees, bahti ganga main haath dho lo attitude comes in.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    This blog from Sharmaji confirms our suspicion that most of the journalists are lobbyist who are inclined to serve Congress for their vested interest.

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    Ankit Reply:

    True, just listen to the tapes. These journalists are colluding with netas and babus to loot we the people. When the corruption comes out, they shamelessly defend their political and corporate masters either by playing an equal equal game or by confusing people.

    Mr. Sharma, people are not interested in the tu tu main main of your party vs the opposition. Your party is presiding over the great indian loot fest and no amount of muck in the opposition can be a justification for it. Do not insult the intelligence of people by trying to obfuscate and confuse.

    We know what a shame these journalists are!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ankit
    I don’t know what you do for a living Ankit. But refrain from painting everybody in the media with the same brush. To set the record straight, I have no political masters to humour. But I do have a view which I shall continue to express, regardless of what you think of me.
    You have commented on my blog without reading it or understanding it fully. Ur a droll.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    Pl eduacate me sir. How’s Congress interest served when someone recalls the worst period of its rule— the emergency? At which point did I flatter them in the 400-odd words I have written on the issue.
    Enlighten me. I am willing to learn — even bow before your superior wisdom :) )

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Don’t learn from me. Read your blogs again and the responses. You will get your response. You must bow before the collective wisdom of people who have diagnosed your problem. If you believe in democracy, read the reactions and make a judgement yourself.

    You may not be corrupt like barkha or Vir but your being eyes and ears of common Indian, are doing very bad job of presenting FACTS.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    Do you think Rahul Gandhi is wiser than you or other journalists? You listen to him all the time.. :)

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  • shashi menon

    This article demonstrates he is paid agent of congress!! All his efforts are to attack BJP and confuse people! Disgusting individual!! It hurts that media is like this and on the time we enjoy this crooks foolishness!!

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    AJ Reply:

    I believe vinod has spent a lot of time with pakistanis…guys please forgive him .its not his fault.since hes spent some time there, hes learnt a lot from them.vinod, can u see ur face in the mirror ?it is sickening to see people like u as the editor.U are truly an editor of the congress party.having said that i m not defending yeddy at all….if hes corrupt he shud go BUT FIRST WE NEED TO PUT THESE PAID JOURNOS IN JAIL.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shashi menon
    Stop abusing and tell us what do you think of Raja and Yeddyurappa. This blog isn’t about me. It is about people occupying public offices.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @shashi menon
    If you dare to question my integrity in print, be sure that I will sue you in a court of law.

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    suresh Reply:

    all jurnalists same like that,try to scared, but? dont try that, because jurnalist not god

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    If you are going to defend congress then grow some thick skin like Rahul gandhi, Digvijay Singh and manish tiwari…

    suresh Reply:

    It is amazing to see that PM of this country is keeping silence on direct questions raised against his inaction. Congress appoints Solicitor General to answer the question raised by SC. After taking 3-4 days congress appoints Adv Kapil SIbel to answer the question raised against PM. How long does it take for the PM of India to make up his mind and open his mouth?

    If there is nothing to worry, why is Congress shying away from JPC. Now Congress is desperately trying to defend by pointing out semantics of the JPC report. Congress says that it is only imaginary figure of 176000 Crore mentioned in JPC, why does the government appointed CAG gives some imaginary figure in his report. Sack him if you dont believe in CAG. Common man in this country does not even know how many 0’s in this huge amount. In this country with 1.2Billion of population, this amount is approximately Rs. 1535 per person. India’s fiscal deficit is only 3.5 lakh crores, with this scam we lost the opportunity to bring it down half of the fiscal deficit of our country.

    What does it mean? Congress government is continuing the loot of this country, which they initiated through the jeep scam of 1947 immediately after Indian Independence. Only the magnitude of loot has increased.

    Rajeev Reply:

    There is total blackout in media abour Radia tapes…WHY? The media silence in deafening…

    What happened to REALLY honest journalists? They should come out and push people like Vir and Barkha out of this business.

    I never agreed with Vinod Mehta’s political leanings but this guy sure has guts. I think this time he selectively leaked tapes to expose FEW at the behest of Dynasty to deflect attention from 2G scam.

    I urge posters not to get carried away by radia tapes..it is just another diversionary tactics by Congress and its media.

    shashi menon Reply:

    V Sharma
    I want to show my middle finger to you!! Do what best you are doing!! Polishing Congress!!

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Well, tangentially the blog is also about leeches like you who cling to the feet of the powerful that you do not see the gross criminal activity they are doing.. You are with them! All of you are seling the country…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Raju;
    I agree with most of your writing but cursing Vinod does not sound fair. At worst, he is congress loyalist and that does not earn him such disrespect. Personally, he may have his views, which are not my views/ your views but he deserve our indulgence if not respect. He has not done any corruption himself.May be he is not very honest with his pen.

    AJ Reply:

    Every thing is wrong with UPA 2,
    We have PM who includes Baluchistan in joint declaration with Pakistan, He has no control over price rise,He inducts person who failed as Foreign Secy, as NSA.
    We have Agriculture Minister who is more interested in cricket than agriculture.
    We have telecom Minister who is just busy in creating scams.
    We have FM who is just not in position to control inflation or price rise.
    We have Railway Minister who is more interested in Calcutta than railways.
    We have Govt. which is moving at whims and fancies of babus, no wonder so many jawans die and nothing happens to either HM or home Secy. or DGP’s
    We have Foreign Minister who gets insulted in Pakistan and says nothing.
    What else can one say of this Govt.

    Can u ever write an article highlighting these misdeeds? Can U?
    I have No doubt in my mind that u are biased .Prove me wrong,i ll be happy….

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  • Raju Kurien

    I am with Azhir on implementing Sharia law for politicians and bureaucrats and enablers. Line them up and shoot them. Fear (getting caught and going to jail for minimum 10 years) or getting killed is the only “motivator” for these rascals.

    The sad thing in india is that all tehse bumper croiminal money making is done by the so called Dalits/Dalit friends – Karunanidhi, Mayavati etc.
    Karunanidhi will make this now a brahmin vendetta against teh poor supprssed dalits and win the election again!

    MAy be we should amend teh constitution that the President will rule for two years if a single party does not get majority. Then these frucking regional parties – more family business houses, be it Karunanidhi or Dev gowda or even YSR (but he is congress family business)! – will get eliminated..Regional parties are for themselves. The very fact DMK, from Dayanidhi days, sensed teh opportunity, forced to carve it out,a nd insisted on having that portfolio (instead of prestigious ones like defence or home) speaks volume about what tehse regional parties are interetsed in.

    Obviously Congress, BJP all are stealing; but it looks the stealing by Lalu and Karunanidhi is like they do not even fear God….

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    @AJ aka Rajiv aka Rajeev aka Paritosh aka Pankaj#zero

    “I believe vinod has spent a lot of time with pakistanis”, another undian rocket scientists blaming ISI for the ugliness in his own people. You truely can represent Indians.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Yaar, Kyon Dimaag kharab kar raha hai…No one is in mood to discuss your pakistan…Get lost.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Mumtaz MIr – Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion?

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    Dr.G.Srinivasan Reply:

    In fact it was after the Indira is India slogan that corruption started raising its ugly head and has grown into a monster. It is because we do not treat corruption A treason against the people of india and the punishment should be in proportion to the treason and not the money involved

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  • Rajiv

    Not just Azhar, all most Pakistanis are thick skinned.

    Well, when Pakistan and Pakistanis are generally looked down upon criminals and worst specimens of humanity, ruled by a thug criminal state, you just need a thick skin to survive.

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  • Rajiv

    Mr Sharma, your opinion here is just an attempt to muddy waters and deflect attention from Congress corruption.

    Regarding Yeddyurappa, so what exactly is the evidense other than Congress paid guys making allegations ??

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    The BJP must take some demonstrative action against Yeddyurappa. BJP need to realise that they are in serious danger of loosing all of its credibility. They just can’t go around disrupting parliament, shamelessly shouting at TV channels for their demands on criminal action on Raja, JPC report, CWG scam and Adarsh scam unless and untill they themselves clean their own backyard.

    What is surprising is the total disconnect BJP have with the people of India, They must better know that while the anger of several Indians public against the UPA is an all time high, that doesn’t mean that BJP’s wrongdoings is not in their cognisance. BJP would be doing a huge mistake by underestimating the seriousness of the courruption charges on some of its leaders.

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  • vijay kumar

    Vinodji

    There is a growing consensus on the blog that by highlighting a pickpocket (Yedurappa), you are deflecting attention from an international crook (Raja)

    Why dont you blast your critics by going whole hog against this Raja and all those who are lax about him?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    What can I do if those who visit this site are unable to get the hang of what I am writing. If I focus on Yeddyurappa that does not mean I defend Raja — who defied the PM the way the Karnataka CM is defying the BJP by refusing to resign. They are both corrupt and must be banished from public life after a thorough probe into their doings.
    A pickpocket is as dangerous for the society as a dacoit. If Yeddyurappa could so easily succumb to small temptations, he surely would have done as well— if not better— as Raja in the telecom ministry.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinodji,
    I fully agree with you that BJP should sack Yeddy but congress corruptions can not be defended by highlighting BJP corruption. You are knowingly or unknowingly doing exactly that. Majority of the people on this forum can not be wrong.
    I am convinced that you are very comfortable with Congress and that’s OK with everyone but be little bit more objective when talking about corruption. Do you think this 1.76 lakh crore scam could have taken place without the blessing from Nehru-gandhi Dynasty?

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Vinod Ji,
    Being the eminent journalist that you are, and this being the only forum where we can interact with you ( as you, somehow curiously, are absent on Twitter – I am taking the opportunity to ask you two contextual questions:

    1. What is your take on Radia-Vir Sanghvi tapes. I am not asking about others but only about Vir, since he is a HT colleague and a fellow blogger. Would you still want to be in his company after what is being alleged against him and with strong prima facie evidence?

    2. How did it feel when you adressed Sagarika as Barkha Dutt? Knowing you, I find it hard to believe that you did not do it intentionally :) ( btw Sagarika says that she will call you Tarun Vijay in of her shows as revenge !! )

    Regards,

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Akhilesh
    I apologised to Sagarika after the slip. I must say she took it very graciously.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    How about a comment on Vir and Barkha? Show your honesty please…

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Yes , Yeddiruppa is important , moreso at present when the scams are coming out in torrents ,he is the only fig leaf available.

    “Gujarat Riots”, “Babri Masjid demolition”. “communal exclusivist agenda” ,” Amit Shah Amit Shah” cannot come to rescue these days.

    Ok let us take a close look at Yeddiruppa. The allegations are that he allotted land to his kith and kin. But was that allottment “illegal” or was it “immoral” judging by the highest yardsticks of morality . Who is making the allegations , HD Devegowda and his son Kumaraswamy , both humble farmers. Who is supporting them, the Congress Party.
    Why not make a complaint to the Lokayaukt ? If the evidence is so overwhelming , self- explanatory and obvious , the Lokayaukt can give his findings in a couple of days. Why not file a criminal complaint . Why objection to Yeddiruppas suggestion of an independent Judicial Enquiry?

    If media Reports about BJP central leadership wanting to remove Yeddy are correct I think they feel that the Yeddy allegations are having the effect of blunting the campaign against Raja

    Let us not forget in the Spectrum Scam, things started moving only after the CAG Report and SC observations . Whereas hue and cry in the media , protests by Political parties, individual MPs, were not having any impact on this shameless Government.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @Praveen Saxena,

    The humble farmer from Hardhanhalli is a “HUMBUG Farmer’ !! :D :D :D

    Anybody with an idea of the Karnataka real estate scene would know that his family owns huge tracts of land around Banglore. All after the HUMBUG farmer became the PM.

    And his son who talks about “communal and corrupt” BJP had no qualms about taking BJP support for becoming the CM.

    I am no spokesman for the BJP but I find the moral fig leaf of so many politicians amusing; behind the figleaf there modesty is as or even more corrupted ! :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Praveen Saxena,

    In Karnataka, the father-son duo of the Gowdas have zero respectability and still less credibility. The Lokayukta is seized of the matter. Besides, Yeddyurappa has done exactly what all his predecessors have done, viz. distribute land to his own kith and kin, which is why he has appointed a judicial commission to “investigate” the past 10 years of misrule by the congress and JDS.

    I believe Vinod Sharma’s blog this time is a diversionary tactic: anything to stop the heat from reaching the gates of the palace.

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  • ats

    What we need to today is a revamp of our legal system, i.e. more teeth to judicary for speedy and time bound judgements coupled with the hardest punishments. Even recourse to higher courts for every judgment needs to be reviewed.- it could be delaying tactics to buy out witnesses, destroy evidence etc. Our former prez, Kalam mentioned once that not a single rich or prominent citizen ever filed a mercy application to him against capital punishment. meaning they were let off ( we have Ansals, BMW Nandas etc) and only the poor applied to him for mercy

    Our only hope is in speedy and fair judicary to limit this corruption ( it can never ever end folks ) , with independent instituions like supreme court, CAG office, RTI Act , Public demonstrations etc. Media is an important watchdog in all this, And not every Media person is some party’s Chamcha or Dog….Vinod is a highly respected journo, who offers excellent analysis and views.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @Vinod Sharma,

    The COngress may come out a big loser in caswe it does not probe the telecom scam to the satisfaction of the people.

    a) First of all it has too puncture the figure of 176000 crores of loot. Those are probable losses in case 2g prices had been similar to that of 3g, which of course is a distinct possibility.

    b) It has to get the figure out of the money made by Raja and cronies. My guess is that it would probably in the range of 3000-4000 crores which by itself is huge. ( 122 licnces at an average kickback of Rs 25 crores ) My experience in the government is that a kickback acceptor is willing to take rs 100 to cause a loss of rs 1000 to the government.

    c) It has to unconditionally probe Rja even if it means unravelling his links with the COngress and with journalists.

    If the COngress does not do all this, chances are that the muck will stick and it could snowball into a Bofors like situation.

    A mid term election or a lame duck government is bad for the country. Journalists, especially thoise who had nothing to do with Raja could well advise the Congress to handle this with care.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    but if it becomes liek “bofors” so what–it will drag for ever, people will forget.. How can these be decided swiftly and punishmentd ealt with.. All – ministers, IAS, journalists, businessmen – will use time to their advanmtage..It is like OSama bin LAden – “you have the watch, we have the time”…

    Indian judiciary and processes have to be weaned away from the frucking English system.. by the time they take a decision there will not eb a country

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Raju,

    Actually we need the jury system back. Right now Indian judiciary moves on the loophole and not the law.

    If seven emminent people in USA and UK can dipose of cases in a month, why do we need such an elaboarate system where lawyers become crorepatis and the janata is not even a hazaarpati.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    there is really no comparison between DK Baruah and Yeddyurappa. Not even between Yeddy and Indira, because Indira never claimed “I am India”, whereas, Yeddy nearly claimed “I’m Karnataka”.

    If comparisons need be made , it should be between DKB and MMS, both of whom are their respective “her majesty’s voice/s”, MMS more so because for the last six years, he has been nothing if not a shadow of the majesty, a humble servant, a ‘bezubaaan’ front for all the evil coming out of 10 Janpath. So please correct the improper ‘connections’.

    As for the so called corruption of Yeddy, even here there is very little that can be compared with the spectrum Raja. His crime is, to quote Dr. Subramanyam Swamy, like a traffic violation whereas Raja’s was mass murders..

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @B V Shenoy
    With what would you compare the BJP’s decision to retain Yeddy ?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    honestly, Yeddy has no comparison. I would have loved if he had quit gracefully, with all the swamis and saints blessing him, but now they are blessing his corruption! However, it is just a minor diversion for the congress party, because Yeddy’s corruption+his nepotism together are a drop in the ocean compared to the Rs.1,76,0000000000 black hole of corruption that MMS mutely watched happen under his watch.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    I am with you on Yeddy. BJP has lost moral ground to attack Congress for corruption.
    So let’s keep yeddy aside and focus on 2G (Rahul *G*andhi and Sonia *G*andhi).

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I fully agree with Mr.Sharma’s view on Yeddy and Karnataka. BJP should show some spine and sack this unprincipled SOB.

    However we should not shift our focus from UPA scams starting from Agriculture to Infrastructure to Telecom. Why are poeple not looking into scams by Pawar and Co.?

    It is time to bring down UPA alongwith corrupt Nehu-Gandhi Dynasty. I wish to see Sonia/Rahul exposed in these scams..Nothing moves in UPA without their permission.

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  • Rajiv

    @Rajeev,
    I agree with you about the collective silence by the media on the tapes. Its shameful.

    meanwhile, I hope this news has not being missed.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article907752.ece?homepage=true

    The Pakistani spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence, and terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, are being sued by the family of an American couple and their unborn child who were slain by militants during the Mumbai terror attacks of 2008.

    The lawsuit, filed in a federal court in Brooklyn, New York, on Friday afternoon last week, alleges wrongful death on behalf of Rabbi Gavriel Noah Holtzberg and his wife Rivka, who was pregnant at the time. Both were both gunned down at the Chabad Lubavitch centre, one of the sites in Mumbai targeted by the attackers.

    The Holtzbergs were killed even as their two-year-old son Moshe survived the attack, after being whisked off to safety by his nanny, Sandra Samuel. Reports said that the grandfather of Moshe, who now lives in Israel, was one of the plaintiffs.

    Media reports added that the plaintiffs, including the relatives of two other victims of the terror attack, alleged that the ISI had aided the 10 men carrying out the commando-style attacks that left more than 160 people dead. An extract from the lawsuit reportedly said that the ISI had “provided critical planning, material support, control and coordination for the attacks.”

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    As Sal has revealed, Pakistanis are basically Jews. Dont know why they hate their grandparents so much?

    But I think we should go back to our topic of discussion on corruption. No point in getting those two bumbling buffoons back here… :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Pagal hai Sala..Jaane do..

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Those two neighbourhood dogs ( gali kay kuttay ) will be back to bark, irrespective of anything.Thats just their ‘fitrat’. Every locality or moholla has unwanted dogs that the residents cannot get rid of. Our forum too has them no matter how much you shoo them away.
    My comments just invited them to come and bark some more.

    The same is true of Pakistan in the Indian subcontinent neighbourhod.

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    G. Mustafa Reply:

    You require a bone to keep yours shut. Beware of the invitaiton.

    Only india requires a face off in this subcontinent and no wonder takes pride in mischief.

    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Lets not think of P-a-k-i-s, we are not at zoo today.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Frankly speaking, I think it is not the right time to discuss pakistan.
    Do we need enemy like pakistan to bring us down? The current UPA govt. with the able help of media, corporate and babus is already doing job of pakistanis.

    I think we all should get back to attacking corruption rather than pakistan or china. It is important that we deal with internal enemy first.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    When Rahul says “PM has got nothing to be embarrassed about”, is it not Megalomania on the part of Rahul Gandhi?

    Kal ka chhokra Manmohan Singh ko certificate de raha hai…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    I strongly feel that a cabal, group and/ or an association of thugs or kabza group has over taken governance in India. People who did nothing for the benefit of this country have suddenly found themselves as ruling elites, becaus of their number, gift for cunningness or sheer feeling of best business available for free, spirit. The days, when people left their career, material opportunities and worldly comforts for the welfare of india , appears long bygone. Now nobody of yesteryears, who did nothing for this country, on the shoulder of good work done by our forefathers, who really suffered, indulging in corruption of unimaginable proportions. Hundreds of thousands of crores of rupees disappear from public domain and nobody has any clue?? It is only a small percentage of honest people, that this country is still working, other wise vultures have no compunction to eat it alive. How to rectify this situation? that is the crux of the problem.

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  • Rajiv

    @Pankaj,
    Graft, corruption is in every country and society. The best socities are open , so that media can report on them and courts are strong so that effective rectification may be done.
    So the only way to fight corruption is to have a free and open media ( which in this case looks compromised which is a terrible tragedy ) and free functioning courts.

    However just the fact that this corruption is getting widely aired in India , the media reporting on it and the public demanding action, is the best hope in a bad situation.

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  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    Sharmaji highlighted an interesting point — “the only successor to B S Yeddyurappa (in Karnataka) is B S Yeddyurappa.”

    Not only it smacks of BJP and especially Yeddyurappa’s arrogance, it is also an insult to the intelligence of Indian people, who are only taken for ride by corrupt politicians.

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  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    Sharmaji, I have a few observations/queries which may not be stricly in line with the topic of blog but would still like to know your views on them.

    The defence for Congress or rather BJP criticism is usually visible and strong at television discussions. Though Congress is criticised in plenty but its the BJP who is usually cornered at television debates. Infact, some of the journalists’ disgust toward BJP is so clearly visible on their faces when they are commenting on BJP. Please shed light why is that? Is it because BJP has a darker or a sinister side than what is common knowledge and since journalists are more privy to that as opposed to common people, therefore take BJP at task at TV discussions?

    What I observe is that the a high percentage of voices at internet are in defence of BJP they usually have strong opinions. Congress’s voice is relatively milder at blogs, internet forum.

    Why are the voices supporting Congress usually silent or mild on internet forums in contrast to strong rebuttals from them one sees at TV discussions?

    If BJP is such strongly supported on internet forums, why is the same support not translated in elections?

    Curious to know your views.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    As Bihar moves towards a landslide win for the NDA , I am reminded of a statement made by this
    P M of India some time back , immediately on his arrival from a foreign visit that

    ” Horsetrading of the worst type was going on there”.

    He then sent a proclamation to the President of India ( Mr A PJ Abdul Kalam ) who was abroad and obtained his signatures , to dissolve the Bihar Assembly when Nitish was all set to form the government.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Kushagra,

    Now let me tell you why BJP will find it difficult to get a good media coverage….

    a) “Pran jaaye par daroo na jaaye… ” This is the dictum with which most of my journalist gang is inspired by. :) Unfortunately the BJP has chosen to identify with the prohibitionists and Muthaliks. And in a country where the girls and boys in the media love to hang out late and mix… well BJP looks like an uncleji type of party.

    It would prosper if it revises its so called “backward” values

    b) The BJP has to get more younger, smarter and english speaking type seducers. It of course need not actually get bar dancers. But maybe it needs to shed a few of the Togadias… :D

    c) BJP seriously needs a change of agenda. More inclusive so that younger generation gets attracted to it rather than the chikna Rahul Gandhi . :)

    d) The media houses and press owners have a lot of business agandas, which can only by gauranteed by the party in power. For them the over corrupt Amar Singh too was a hero for this reason. Maybe the BJP should start working along these lines….

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    ats Reply:

    @Vinod….

    With what would you compare the BJP’s decision to retain Yeddy vs Ratan Tata, M/s Sanghvi , B Dutt, Chawala, foster son in law, and richest guy on this earth ??? How are these prominent guys different from Yeddy or even Raja.,- who was simply following someones orders.

    Your topic Megalomania of the corrupt should cover our desi journos, rich and mighty as well not just politicians. Had KK Birla been alive he would have taken off Vir’s pants . everyone know how KK used to handle HT editors. I am also loooking forward to read what Kushwant Singh has to say on the journos invloved in murky dalali these days.

    Finally Vinod, today should I read and respect you for every word you write ? or are you also formatting a colmun like Vir for some one.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @ats
    I am a simple man who simply states his piece without fear or favour.

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    ats Reply:

    I appreciate your response

    Vinay Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar,

    “Unfortunately the BJP has chosen to identify with the prohibitionists and Muthaliks.”
    “The BJP has to get more younger, smarter and english speaking type seducers”.

    Just have a look at BJP leaders before 90 (pre Rathyatra days). They had not allied with Bhajrang Dal or whatever extremist organization. They had smarter leaders than Congress. Even then, it was accused of communalism. Why? “Godse killed Gandhi” card (in a riotic phase of history) was used for 50 years. (But people conveniently forgot and moved on with facts like; a
    Sikh killing Indira, LTTE supported by DMK being responsible for Rajiv’s killing).
    RSS and BJP (BJS then) had intentionally distanced from Sitaram Goel, considering his views were controversial. You keep calling someone mad for years, finally one day he turns out mad, then you start telling “this is what I have been saying all these years”.

    BJP had patience for 40 years, hope it had for 20-30 years more. It could have come to power, without compromising its ideals. But then, leaders like Yediyurappa had lost faith in ideals and were desperate for power. BJP’s fall is not today’s. It happened when Yediyurappa made an unholy alliance with Kumaraswamy to come to power. BJP leaders, instead of curbing this
    attitude, became silent spectators. They were afraid, people who have tasted power will break away from party and bring all its efforts of years to dust. Also after Vajpayee and Advani, no one at the top is taken seriously by local leaders. Since then, the so called national leaders are only compromising.

    If Congress is ready to accept 7 seats in Bihar and still ready to fight alone, why BJP needs to be scared? The results would not have been worse than that.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Vinay.

    I was basically trying to probe the reason why BJP will find it almost impossible to get a good p ositive media coverage in Delhi based English channels and in the English press.

    Somewhere its hardline image of pushing in era of traditional “Indian” ideals clashes with the aspirations of the youth here. Just before the last elections I was in a worlshop in leading college of Delhi on a workshop. For the girl students– who had a right to vote– BJP was a definate no-no as it somehow gave an image of a party which would curb their jeans and late evening freedoms. You may or may not agree, but the Muthalik tag had stuck on.

    And since I know a few media people– well my impression is again very similar. Most of them — at least in Delhi– think that the BJP is not gving an impression of a party which would welcome foreign investments and globalization. Further on, since females in the media have won hard earned freedoms, would not want to get shackled with lectures on what or what not they should be doing.

    So like it or not– the BJP needs to dispel certain notions as well as refresh it approach– if it wants good media coverage <)

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar – You are spot on. I totally agree with you on this .

    vijay kumar Reply:

    The HUMBUG farmer who had “exposed” Yedurappa has been “exposed” a bit today.

    And it turns out that he had made much much more illegally. Read the Deccan chronicle and Yahoo, today.

    Wonder if the media will pursue this story.

    But then the BJP’s should not use Dev Gowda’s acts to justify Yedurappa.

    And most of all the COngress shoudl not use Yedurappa to justify the massive amounts Raja and cohr=orts have made….

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I just watched Vinod Sharma debating on Bihar elections. He couldn’t resist bringing Karnataka in discussion and then basically said that BJP is an opportunistic party who plays second fiddle to regional parties.
    Vinod Sharma was cornered well by Yogendra Yadav and Swapan Dasgupta.

    Sharmaji,
    You are definitely a relic from Nehru’s era…You are Laloo of media..totally outdated and out of sync.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    For your information, I was the one who called Nitish the Amol Palekar (simple and reliable) of Indian politics after his great show in the Lok Sabha polls. I am a great admirer of this man who I feel is the best product of the social justice movement. But the same cannot be said of the BJP with its retrograde policies Nitish himself flagged by keeping Narendra Modi out of Bihar.
    By the way, have you seen Gadkari’s pic feeding Yeddy with ladoos? What were they celebrating dear? Not certainly their resolve to fight corruption.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I saw that picture…I agree with you that BJP should not have double standards about corruption.

    As for your calling Nitish Amol Palekar of Indian politics, I’d like to know what is Rahul Gandhi for you… As basically consider him Johny lever of Indian politics who makes mindless jokes..

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Despite his oft-repeated protestations, Vinod Sharma has a viscerally antagonistic and hate-filled attitude towards the BJP and to a lesser extent, all Hindus. These may be the off-shoots of his “intense” love for Pakistan and also his worshipful faith in the white-skinned first family of the congress party. Or else, how can he call the BJP’ relations with Nitish Kumar “incestuous”? What is incest in politics? One can understand sleeping with one’s enemy, when applied to politics and politicians; but, incest? Calling Nitish Kumar the Amol Palekar of Bihar may sound funny, but calling the BJP incestuous betrays his extreme prejudice for the party.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Shenoy,
    Sharmaji has shown his disgust for BJP openly and supported congress blindly on all issues including corruption.
    As an Indian citizen, he has right to pick sides just like you and me but as a journalist, he is compromising his neutrality.
    However looking at his emotional and passionate defence of Congress and Dynasty, I can say he genuinely loves and believes in congress policies. I guess his journalistic career was nurtured by contacts in congress so he is very comfortable with them.
    However he is no Vir or Barkha..He is a clean but highly emotional man who can not see beyond congress.

  • Praveen Saxena

    Vijay , you are bang on . There is a reference in a book written by Vinod Mehta on how the promoters of media houses use the Editors they hire. The other points made by you are also correct. BJP is yet to come to terms and engage with the 26 year old India . But I also have a different take on this.
    Let me recall ceratin images from my own childhood days. I know some may agree with my views but many shall disagree.

    During the 1965 war with Pakistan , and I was in standard 3 at that time at Allahabad my hometown, the residents of my neighbourhood had started a small kitchen at the Allahabad Rly station, through which trains carrying our troops would pass by. There was heavy movement of troops at that time.The residents had taken milk, atta, sugar ,aloo , ghee etc, and kerosene stoves and would prepare tea, aloo puri sooji halua etc . The kids would rush with these the moment a train would arrive and serve to the troops.Our jawans would get so happy with us that I still remeber some of those faces. This kitchen ran through out the war .

    And those were days of shortages. India was not so affluent at that time. Even middle class families were dependent on the Ration shops for their provisions. Sugar was expensive and rarely would buy from the open market.

    Now I often wonder , how much of this spirit shall we see in present day times. The point I am trying to make is that if the BJP also tries the same tricks to win elections and moves away from its ideological moorings, there would not be much left of it. Yes they have to evolve ways of communicating and engaging with the young Indian. with compromising with its core issues.
    It is of lesser importance whether it loses or wins elections.

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @Praveen,

    You are right. Though I was not born in 65, I do remember the 71 war when I was 3. And I know my mom who was a teacher, took special care to teach without fees, children of the Jawans who had gone to war.

    There is a tremendous nationalism in our country and maybe the BJP should try to tap that but with an agenda which is contemprory and inclusive. In case it can showcase corruption free governments of the states it rules and also show that it is attracting capital — both Indian and foreign without comprimising on national interest, it has a future.

    It also has to show that it takes Muslims along both for ethical reasons as well as practical considerations as Muslims form 14% of the population and it straight away not only loses their vote but also ends up putting the nation in a state of confrontation.

    I know some Muslims who voted for Vajpayee in 1999. Maybe the BJP has to get a eloquont leader who is acceptable to all and also fits in with its agenda.

    Jaswant Singh was a possibilty, but he shot himself in the foot,,,.

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  • Ziauddin Shafi

    Greed and avarice is the hallmark of these multi millionaire politicians. Ashok Chavan & BSY have made thousands of crores – they could have shared their booty with their family members easily without raising any hackles and thereby staying in power without trouble for long, but no. They want what ever they can get as a gift / bribe / commission etc. No limit to greed of this political breed.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Zia;
    agree with your statement. same thoughts were crossing my mind, when I read your post.
    Gandhiji, famously said: there is enough in the world for every body’s Need, but not enough for one person’s Greed.
    A person can live decently, in even these tough times with something like R-10000/month. and one should live with this amount plus say few months exigency funds. anything beyond this is superfluous for our living. you can not eat gold, you have to shut your eyes to sleep and you do not need silk alone to cover yourself.
    Mostly people try to justify this corruption saying that this is for our kids future.
    a hindi saying: Poot Kapoot to kyon dhan Sanchen, Poot Sapoot to kyon dhan Sanchen. Saving for old age and collecting for 10 generations are opposite things.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BJP has negated its win in Bihar by retaining Yeddy as CM.
    The BJP has let everyone down by this act.

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    shashi menon Reply:

    BJP is no different than Congress!! They are all crooks gathered to loot the country!!!We have to wait for revolution to change India!!

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    Vikram Reply:

    with all the pak bashing on sharmajis blog we have to realize that our biggest enemies are not the pakistanis but the Indian corrupt neta babu combine

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  • Vinay

    Today, Yediyurappa’s retention not only shows about corruption and helplessness in Party leadership but also about another ugly bit, “caste politics” (Religious leaders of his caste coming to support him and threatening, party would loose its voter base). During all this tamasha, what has a north Indian learnt about Karnataka apart from corruption? They knew one dominant caste “gowda” earlier. Now they have learnt about another, “lingayat”.

    When the gossips of Yediyurappa quitting the post were floating, there was also the hushed debate of who should succeed him. Out of of the choices, several others had tainted hand as well. The objections to the honest people were; One belonged to Gowda community, who are not traditional supporters of BJP (instead support JDS of Deve Dowda). Another was a Brahmin, so had no voter base. Only silver line I find is Bihar’s result. If Karnataka has reached the rock bottom today in corruption and caste politics (hope, it can’t go below this!), it should witness the emergence of development politics over caste. Hope, it will happen soon.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vinay
    Gowda is a Vokalliga. That is another dominant caste in Karnataka besides Lingayats.

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    Vinay Reply:

    Yes,

    Usually, Gowda is a surname (though many people like SM Krishna don’t use that surname) of Vokkaligas. But in commoners language, they are referred as Gowdas only.

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  • Rajiv

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    26/11: U.S. court summons ISI chief, Saeed
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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article910738.ece?homepage=true

    A U.S. court has issued summons to senior Inter-Services Intelligence officials including its powerful chief Maj. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, along with Mumbai attack masterminds and Lashkar-e-Taiba leaders Hafiz Saeed and Zakiur Rahman Lakhvi in response to a lawsuit filed by relatives of two American victims accusing them of providing material support for the 26/11 attacks.

    The 26-page lawsuit was filed before a New York Court on November 19 against the ISI and LeT by the relatives Rabbi Gavriel Noah Holtzberg and his wife Rivka, who were both gunned down by militants at the Chhabad House in Mumbai. Their son Moshe was saved by his Indian nanny.

    The 26-page lawsuit accusing the ISI of aiding and abetting the LeT in the killing of more than 160 people was filed before a New York Court on November 19, following which the Brooklyn court issued summons to Major Samir Ali, Azam Cheema, the ISI, Major Iqbal, Lakhvi, LeT, Sajid Majid, Mr. Pasha, Saeed and Nadeem Taj.

    “The ISI has long nurtured and used international terrorist groups, including the LeT, to accomplish its goals and has provided material support to the LeT and other international terrorist groups,” said the lawsuit filed by relatives of the slain Rabbi.

    ……………………………………

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv,

    Tommorow is the anniversary of 26/11. I think we should do a reality check on

    a) Are we prepared with a response in case the evil forces from Pakistan plan another attack on the innocents

    b) How far have been able to succeed in mobilising the world against the jehadi and findamantalist forces thriving in Pakistan

    c) Have we been able to recruit RAW agents in the evil ISI

    d) How far have been able to push Pakistan to take action against the the gutter worms it breeds thinking that they are defenders of Islam.

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  • Atul8

    Dear Vinod,

    Everyone has their hand in the bin. So who bells thecat?.

    Those struck with megalomania on the basis of money also have carefully studied the odds before they posture as they know their worth to their masters – its a question of how much they can push the envelope

    It is an open secret that many of these people are also responsible for significantly contributing to the party funds. Can the treasurer of the party say “get me funds, I dont care how, but dont keep anything for yourself?”

    Given their short and unpredictable shelf life, the average politician seeks to maximise his/her returns – methodology notwithstanding.

    And so what if they lose the chair after that? The corpusgenerated will more than suffice in “maintaining” relationships for the subsequent self preservation

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  • vijay Kumar

    The Bihar elections are a shot in the arm for the NDA and a warning bell for the Congress.

    The Congress will do well to remember that unless it unravels the @ G scam to the satisfaction of the Indian public, the muck will stick on. Getting the BJP into the picture everytime the mention of Raja and the thousands of crores looted may fool some but not the majority of Indians. Rahul’s magic too will start waning after a point and in my view he MAY NOT pitch for the PM’s post in the next Lok Sabha and some grand old man like Pranab or Chidu (he is young and age may be a disadvantage in case he is asked to move over) may be projected.

    The BJP should remember that it won because development in Bihar has been gr8 ewspecially compared to the failed Lalu era. Plus Muslims voted for it.

    So it should get a development based nationalistic agenda upfront. And talk about equal treatment of all religions ( as against Congress which in the name of and not about pitching HIndus against Muslims….

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay
    I was disappointed to see Mr. Vindo Sharma so desperate at the Bihar election results that he called in a tv talk show (November 24) the alliance between BJP and JD(U) as incestuous. Though I felt very strong at his use of this word, I can understand his frustration by proxy reflects the helplessness of Congress for having failed to find a winning ally like JDU) in Bihar. Yes, it is a bitter pill for every media anchor and congress person to swallow, especially for Mr. Vinod Sharma to reconcile with these facts. Indeed, Nitish Kumar has simply followed in the footsteps of Shiv raj Chauhan in MP , Dr. Raman Singh , and PK Dhumal in HP. I am sure the Bihar results will change the dynamics of politics in the country and a more rejuvenated NDA would surely emerge asan option for the Indian voters as a viable alternate to Congress. If this happens,that would surely be the biggest gain of these results.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Dr Anand

    I think it would be stupid not to hail Nitish’s victory in Bihar. For two decades Bihar was a loser and laggard because of Laloo and his M Y politics, in which you could be a bad ruler, a corrupt olgiarch, a criminal… but you could be winner if you got a caste and communal combination right.

    The reputation Lalu formed at the centre of being an efficient Minister too was funded by the railway Ministry which funded certain universties for studying Lalu’s management style. With the end of Lalu we should see the end of the V P Singh effect.

    I hope Vinod Sharma sees Nitish Kumar’s victory as a victory of India, a victory for development and corruption free rule, rather than a loss of the Congress…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar and Dr Anand
    I rate Nitish as the best product of the social justice movement. I was the one who named him the Amol Palekar of Indian politics for his simple, solid and straight approach to governance which the people of Bihar have endorsed.
    Dr Anand who do well to remember that while hailing Bihar as a triumph of hope and aspiration over caste, the BJP promoted corruption under the threat of caste rebellion in Karnataka. So shameless were they that Gadkari even posed for pics while feeding Yeddy with ladoos.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Dr Anand,
    You could just think of parallels from the BJP—- Chauhan, Dhumal, Raman….But what about Sheila Dikshit? :) )

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Sharma ji you must remember that the COngress mosquito called Mani Aiyar has been after Shiela Dixit. Like he destroyed India’s CWG effort, he will ultimately tarnish SHiela’s image as she got him ejected out of the sports Ministry for non-performance and inefficiancy

    Ankit Reply:

    Yeah, the same Sheila Dikshit who presided over the great Indian CWG loot?

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma ji
    Sir
    I was trying in a simple way to analyse the sweeping victory of NDA, when both the constituent partners excelled tremendously in the electoral performance in Bihar. The campaign of NDA was based purely on development in Bihar. In that context I was trying to tag this performance with the parallel NDA govts. in Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Gujarat, HP who swept to power the in those states purely on the issue of development in these states
    Yes, I like the way Sheila Dikshit has managed the politics in Delhi in a very positive manner. She is one leader from Congress who has indeed impressed every one, especially when she personally involved herself in overseeing the cleanup of the mess in CWG village. I am quite open in praising anyone doing a good job.
    But the base of congress party is shrinking fast in terms of regional leaders whereas the NDA is quite ahead in both having very strong and popular regional as well as National leaders. Andhra Pradesh is another congress bastion waiting to fall with the power struggle among the congress people, with even the expelled leader from Congress(Mr. Bhaskar Reddy) coming into open and saying that the country has now Italian rule through Sonia Gandhi who is acting as a dictator. Well, this no one from BJP is saying. There is bound to be more of this once the charisma of Mrs. Sonia Gandhi fades further after Bihar debacle.
    The Congress party would be more in chaotic state with the corruption scams surrounding the country. Had it not been a turf battle between corporate world, the 2G spectrum scam would not have come to light. The otherwise faithful media also seems to be vigorously fighting the war for the corporate world in this matter, least bothering whether it is causing embarrassment to the UPA govt.
    The cheap antics are not going to work any more as the Muslim voters are becoming more and more enlightened. Rahul Gandhi even wearing a Muslim cap on Eid in Bihar while addressing an election rally did not help much. He addressed 22 rallies and only one candidate was elected from the areas of his total rallies.
    I have a feeling that this mantra of NDA as applied in Bihar is going to change the dynamics of its constituents and I shall not be surprised if Chandrababu Naidu makes a come back to the NDA fold. This will surely rejuvenate this alliance which will be good for the country.
    Regards
    BNA

    Ankit Reply:

    Dr. Anand, Vinod Sharma’s party has been decimated in Bihar. Rahul babua went for many helicopter trips but ultimately he had nothing to show for it. This is apt punishment for Vinod’s party since they were the most important protectors of Lalu while he was presiding over an andher nagari chaupat raja kind of anarchy in Bihar.

    Instead of showing some restraint Vinod went on to just abuse the BJP-JDU victory, what a shame!

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Indian scientists worst offenders at faking research
    Anika Gupta, Hindustan Times
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    New Delhi, November 26, 2010First Published: 01:10 IST(26/11/2010)
    Last Updated: 01:36 IST(26/11/2010)Share more…27 Comments Email print

    Indian scientists are more likely to cheat when reporting scientific results than scientists from other countries, says a new study in the US — a view endorsed by independent reviews. “India does have the lowest (worst) E/F [error to fraud] ratio,” said R. Grant Steen, the US-based consultant who carried out the study, published in the Journal of Medical Ethics.

    Steen analysed the number of withdrawals, of academic papers related to the life sciences over the last 10 years. Of the 50 Indian papers withdrawn, 17 — or 34% — were for fraud of some kind, which inclu-des copying findings, making up findings, or fudging findings.

    Independent scientists confirmed the result. Bob O’Hara, who writes a statistics blog, has found Indian scientists’ papers are five times more likely to be retracted for fraud than those by scientists of other countries.

    Members of the Indian scientific community say there is a systemic problem. “Some of our senior scientists have been involved in fraud,” said Dinesh Abrol, a senior scientist at the National Institute of Science, Technology and Development Studies in New Delhi.

    Earlier this year, leaders of the nation’s top science organisations, or academies, had to apologise when a high-level inter-academy report on genetically modified crops was found to contain lifted text.

    There are no nationally fra-med rules for punishing research fraud. Institutions are responsible for their own scientists. The Society for Scientific Values tracks cases, but the organisation is made up of volunteers.

    “There is evidence fraud has gone unpunished,” said Abrol.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Science of Farce;
    nadeem paracha
    26 Nov 10

    No need for any reseaarch in Pakistan. Everything was discovered and described in Holy Quran!!
    Wow.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Yawn!

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Yesterday I saw some images on the TV.
    There was this lady who walked smartly like the Colonizers of the yore , with a leather office bag in her hand , followed by some old Indians whose faces I could recognize as that of Motilal Vohra , Mohsina Kidwai and others , none daring to get closer than arm’s length . The lady stepped towards the media , condescendingly made a brief statement in her accented English ,. some pearls of wisdom flowed which were lapped up by a starry eyed media. None dared to put a question to this Lady. It was really Her Majesty .

    Then there were these very plebian ordinary looking Indians Nitin Gadkari, Sushma Swaraj, Ravi Shankar Prasad, Arun Jaitly all hugging and shaking hands with each other . Or that very rural type unshaved mofussil politician Nitish Kumar All so unimpressive.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Parveen Saxena
    Sorry, you missed out on one image Mr Saxena. Gadkari and B S Yeddyruappa feeding each other with sweets after the latter successfully bullied the former into submission. :) )

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Sharma Sahib
    I am sure u must have been to courtrooms some time. Oftentimes when lawyers argue weak cases , they have to demostrate to their clients that they have argued well. In such situations lawyers shout a lot , keep repeating same arguments howsoever hollow or untenabale they may be. This performance does not win them the case although the court patiently hears them out . The allegations and noise against Yeddiruppa are something like that.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Parveen Saxena
    You didn’t answer my question. Did you see the pic? If yes, your comments.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I am sorry. I thought the issue was more important than the picture.Well I did not see that that image on the TV but on the internet the next day. I think the two prominent leaders of the BJP were celeberating the victory in Bihar. But a spin was given to that picture by the media that they were celeberating the retention of BSY in Karnataka.

    Let me recall an old incident to illustrate how the media works sometimes. Ofcourse narrating this to Mr Sharma is like as they say in Hindi ” Nani ke agge naniyuori ki batein”
    We are all aware that at the the time of Parliamentary session , an armed police is deployed around the Parliament in the outer periphery. A news agency did a story that the Govt has deployed a Force called the ” The Special Protection Force” for the first time and the troops are like this and that etc etc. Now this story was very timely and the copy was so well written that it was picked up by almost all newspapers. Some added a new spin to it that this was a new Force raised by the govt for protectuion of important installations etc.
    It was much later that a clarification came that it was no new force but the UP Special Police Force, ( their shoulder insignia said ” SPF” )which was usually deployed at the Indo Nepal Border.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Parveen Saxena
    Bhai saheb, spin tau aap de rahe hain. Why would Gadkari celebrate Bihar with Yeddy?

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Why not sirjee. After all they belong to the same party. Did not Manyavar Narendra Modiji express his joy and congratulate from Ahmedabad.

    shashi menon Reply:

    Vinod Sharma

    Any comments on Radia Tapes!!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shashi Menon
    Am ashamed—- deeply!

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,

    you too missed the juicy pictures on Sakshi TV, the channel of YSR Jagan Mohan Reddy, where the white-skinned, self-indulgent megalomaniac boss of the congress party has been portrayed- for the first time by a congressman- as a lady with a small brain, without any intellectual embellishments under whose leadership the party has gone to dogs.

    (As if that was not enough) You have also missed more entertaining “comments” on the same TV yesterday about your favourite, the prince, who wants to be the prime minister of India. Here the channel ridicules him for his “great success” in Bihar with a grand tally of FOUR seats in a house of 243!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    You haven’t answered my question yet. Am also surprised by your support of Shakshi and Jagan. Thought you were against dynasties. :) ))

    shashi menon Reply:

    Did you see how Vinod Sharma reacted to anything said on Sonia as if he is employee of Sonia

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  • Vijay Kumar

    @ Parveen,

    Now I think we need to change our attitude towards the gora skin!!

    let me tell you one thing. Sonia has been good for the Congress as she bought it together when it was falling apart in the end ninties. But…

    As a matter of principle we need to go beyond one family in search of rulers however good they may be. At one point at the end of my school days I was a big big fan of Rajiv Gandhi. Even when the BOfors sacm came out I liked to believe that he was innocent and probably the money had gone to the COngress as election funds.

    However I strongly feel now that the concept of family rule has spread to each and every state in India where politicians try to make sure that their children succeed them. That’s bad. Very sad for our democracy to evolve.

    Coming back to gora skin, let me tell you that the COngress men in the picture were of a mindest and age who believed that goras rule the world. And white is superior :D

    Well, as per evolution theories, all of us evolved out of African men and women– even Pakistanis who think they are fairer !! :D :D

    And in my visit to US and Europe I noticed that there is a marked difference of the Goras towrds us, as compared to the 90’s when I first went there. The IT guys made us look like geniuses (which is only partly true, as compared to the Mani Aiyar’s of the previous generations who made us look like willing slaves!!

    And by the way the berown skinned Indian women are thought to be the sexiest in Europe… that is what I heard in the pubs !! :D :D

    So I think the COngress guys should learn a bit from the IT guys… :) :D :)

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    No Vijay , i was not referring to the Gora aur bhura but the arrogance and the disdain of the colonizers or the Royalty ,. which I notice in the present President of the Congress Party. As if she is not a Representative of the People in a democracy but born to Rule. As if she is the Maee Baap to the country.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Vinod
    I wish, I had more time and more info. to know about this whole affair of Yeddy versus Raja. could you please let me know about the nepotism, monetary corruption, done by yeddy? I mean in term of rupees, how much he has given to his sons in the shape of favorable land allotment? Now can you compare this with Raja’s loot in terms of money. straight forward, no beating around the bush. The G2 Affair appearing as a grand scheme, persued through years carefully and executed almost flawlessly.
    Yeddy is also known as fighting Reddy brothers and their mining maphia and they are after him with all their money power and clout which it brings. So, yeddy has taken support of his caste, as I see it. This is not very encouraging, but that is fact of life. Now, Gowdas, Yadavs, DMK, Mayawati and other such people taking the same route are not opposed with the visceral hatred as compared to any one associated with BJP . Can any one mention any corruption, even 1/10 of what these stalwarts, regional satraps, have done? But still they are not untouchables as compared to BJP. I see that this contempt for BJP is researved as they are the real challenger for central government and that will be “Pet per Laat”, for many, many people including our illustrious journalists. The otherday, Digvijay singh was saying that BJP is also responsible for G2 Scam. Is there a limit for idiocy?
    Having said this, I still feel, MMS is one of the best qualified and finest PM in the whole world but being undone by his own sharafat. He is captain of the ship in a choppy sea, and should be ready to take many unpleasant decisions. You are also not in the same league, Glamour Quotient, and privileges as compared to foody Vir and toothy Barkha. So why compromise with your Pen(Key Board) or are you too scared for your perks and privileges, howsoever miniscule they are. HMV role is good for lesser people but looks bad for responsible journalists.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Pankaj,
    please permit me to say a few things on the several points you have posed to Vinod Sharma. I can say with certainty, that he will obfuscate, prevaricate, digress (Nitin Gadkari pictures, please see etc., etc..) fret, fume, admonish, chastise etc., because one of his own editors did a lot of ground work for getting the telecom portfolio for Spectrum Raja. He has also to “protect” the names od fellow editors of other groups, who too have dirtied their mobiles with their separate talk shows with Nira Radia.

    But, coming to the Karnataka affair, let me tell you that Yeddyurappa is most certainly guilty of corruption, nepotism and also favouritism in the various land scams that have come to light. But the figure of 500 crores is grossly exaggerated, to bring it somehow closer to the spectrum loot. But, let me also tell you that Deve Gowda and his son, both former chief ministers of the state, too ahve pocketed vast lands at dirt chep prices by sheer manipulation and arm twisting. Deve Gowda, the fumble harmer, allotted a petrol bunk to his own daughter-in-law at a prime spot in the heart of Bangalore city, which the supreme court nullified and asked it to be auctioned. But, he could even cheat the supreme court too by brow beating other bidders into not bidding and his daughter in law being the sole bidder, got it again dirt cheap!

    All 24 predecessor CMs of Yeddyurappa, too have had tainted records on corruption. Therefore, he is in good company!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I am disappointed with your refusal to see the truth as it stares in your face. Get your defence of Yeddy read by a third person and you’d realise that how indulgent you are towards a corrupt man. By the way, how do you know that the Rs 500 crore figure is exaggerated?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Any innocent who thinks that the Pakistanis state is anything less than a criminal mafia enterprise should see this documentry “Terror in Mumbai” by Dan reed. It’s been produced by HBO

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    G. Mustafa Reply:

    So like what did Pakistan achieved out of this?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Mustafa… if you are aPakistani, yoou should ask your government what did they achieve out of killing innocents. The track to the ISI, the Lashkar and the jehadi groups who are in control of Pakist can be seen in this documentary.

    G. Mustafa Reply:

    Does this documentry point to the aftermath of investigation by IB. OR their links with VHP, Bhanjrang Dal or RSS. Its equally important if jelled together with such elements other than non-state actors of Pakistan.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Vijay you finally looked in the mirror, thanks to Sharmaji. I have been telling you to do this for the longest time. Now get back to discussing the topic at hand.

    http://trak.in/tags/business/2010/01/16/corruption-in-india-a-billion-dollar-industry/

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Pankaj
    I am happy with what I have —- all hard earned and well deserved. You skate on thin ice when you suggest that what Yeddy has done is smaller in proportion to Raja’s loot. If an amount anywhere between Rs 200-500 crore is small change for the likes of you and BV Shenoy , then I am sorry, you people are wasting time on this blog.
    Those found to be corrupt have to be banished without quibbling over volumes of corruption or the parties to which they belong.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    you have got me wrong. Nowhere in my posts, have I defended Yedyurappa or his corruption. Based in Bnagalore, I have closely followed the various scams Yeddy is credited with and it is my understanding that the value of the land involved is around 100 crores, even which, considering his background and sources of income, are hugely disproportionate. But please also understand that we here have a strong public opinion and a even stronger Lokayukta, who will bring Yeddy to book sooner than later.

    Sadly, however, I do not expect you to agree with me or most of the other bloggers here that the same cannot be said about the centre, whose handmaid, the CBI is a deeply compromised agency, whose commitment to the nation is highly suspect. How then can you advocate that the spectrum scam will be handled by this discredited sham of an agency adequately? Why are you not supporting the demand fro the JPC, which surely can go to the bottom of the whole thing and in quick time too?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    I am for a Supreme Court monitored CBI probe into the spectrum scam. Your claim that the Lok Ayukta will get at the truth is not convincing. Did the same Lok Ayukta not charge the Reddy regime with lack of cooperation—- an issue on which he even resigned once till convinced by LK Advani to continue.
    Let us not quarrel over corrupt people. Yeddy is corrupt and so is Raja. The country must kown the truth about their doings. The fact the BJP failed to make Yeddy resign shows that they are as weak as the PM when it comes to dealing with regional satraps—- allies or those within the party.
    The difference in this case is that Raja has resigned (even if belatedly) while Yeddy hasn’t.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinodji,
    The biggest corrupts are Maa-Beta team (sonia and Rahul). Nothing moves in UPA without their direction.

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    No Sir the the difference is that Yeddy himself ordered a Judicial probe against the allegations made against him by his political opponents. In Raja’s case Manmohan Singh was stonewalling everything till the CAG Report came. Raja Ssam was goin on since 2008. In RajA’S case allegations were made by media, industry, NGOs, MPs , Political Parties.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @ Vinod
    I am happy that you deign to reply to me. Well, I love to skate and thin or thick ice, I will take them on my stride. Even ready to take a Dubki, which I have taken many times in life but not compromised on principles. I really did not know amount of scam done by yeddy and even 100 crore is unforgivable. for that, any amount is unforgivable.
    what has gone wrong? even few generations back, we had people with sterling character in public life. Barely 60/ 70 years back, we had people who will use govenment supplied candle for government work and private candles for personal work. No body is asking for those exacting standards but what is happening now is naked dance of greed and corruption.
    But mind you Vinod, I have or even others may have memorized your present stance of zero tolerance and I will judge you on your future actions, which in your case is your words.
    You may be amongst very few who allow so much freedom on your blog, and you also interact more frequently, but I feel that sometime you loose your cool. Do not reply to **** but we want interaction with you for sensible posts, as it widens our horizon too.
    Do not take my barbs personally, unless, you have some guilt, they were meant for wider circle of people.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Dear Pankaj,

    Yeddyurappa is the 25th CM of Karnataka and all his predecessors, without exception, have gone down in history with tainted records.

    You are talking about 6-7 decades ago, but please remember, Jawaharlal Nehru, who was NOT corrupt himself, allowed nepotism to flourish, promoting his sister, daughter and other relatives. He also drew corrupt CMs like Pratap Singh Kairon, Kengal Hanumanthaiyah etc. close to himself. While he did precious little to ameliorate the lot of the poor and did nothing to stop the population explosion, his government spent Rs.10000/- (Rupees ten thousand!) every month on his pack of dogs! Remember, those were the days when an industrial worker in Bombay earned less than Rs100/- per month!!

    His socialist policies, while doing nothing for the betterment or development of the country, gave huge scope for corruption because of the licence-permit raj being in operation. The country’s terrible record on the corruption front began those days and now it has only gone beyond redemption.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy,

    What about Devraj Urs and Ramkrishna Hegde? How are they perceived now?

    My dad was a lawyer and had framed legal documents for Government undertakings in Karnataka in the seventies and eighties and has high regards for Devraj Urs. Since he is now well retired and sitting here, he is keen to know what the people of Karnataka think of Urs and Hegde now…?

  • B.V.SHENOY

    We are all savouring the sweet victory in the Bihar elections. The sweetness is flavoured by the total rout of the congress wizkid, the prince, who wants to be the prime minister and the casteist-status quoist Laloo and his discredited gang. It was also hilarious to watch media pandits, who, for more than fifteen years, gladly and willingly lapped up all the antics of Laloo and even his illiterate, ignorant and arrogant wife, now vaxing eloquent on Nitish Kumar’s miracle cures for Bihar.

    It is easy to understand and even sympathise with the media’s acute discomfiture. For fifteen years these pundits propagated all kinds of falsehood coming out of Bihar and its CEO, only because the media wallowed in the greatness of Laloo who had put a stop to the rath yatra of Advani. He had, additionally, endeared himself to the secularists by having arrested Advani. All that talk of “chara ghotala” was the creation of an embittered BJP. Hadn’t Laloo “turned around” the forever-ailing railways? He even became the most coveted speaker at IITs and IIMs for his supposed economic wisdom. He was even invited to address the famed Harvard Business School! His teflon coating was as strong as that of Sonia Gandhi and her late husband. Nothing could dent his image as the shining star on the secular firmament.

    But, people have a way of looking beyond the fog, the mumbo jumbo of secular-communal politics. And the battered, bruised, raped and looted people of Bihar finally saw Laloo for what he was- an intellectual pygmy, a corrupt-to-the-core political pretender, who had outlived his grace period disgracefully; it was then that the people brought in the JDU-BJP combine, despite all the secular propaganda against the BJP.

    It goes entirely to the credit of Nitish Kumar and the BJP leadership for having given no ear to the disparagement, discouraging criticism that constantly came out of the Laloo-congress camp. Even a small, insignificant instance of Nitish Kumar not wanting Narendra Modi to campaign in Bihar was blown out as an international event, filling the internet and digital waves for months. Talk shows talked endlessly and expectantly of an impending break in the relations between the two coalition partners. Calculators and psephological “projections” were extensively used to show how Nitish can and should dump the BJP and how it will then be the FINIS for the BJP, the unwanted, hanger-on on Nitish’s high table.

    This time around, having realised that the alliance was strong and unswerving in its bid to root out the corrupt Laloo rump once and for all, the media has begun to sing a different tune. In the picture they have drawn, the BJP is still the hanger-on, the unwanted stain on the great sheen of Nitish Kumar. The facts that the BJP performed exceedingly well, that it got, despite all the secular prattle, generous support from the Muslims, and also that the BJP has come very close to a position of being able to form an alternate government in a worst case scenario (like Kumaraswamy did with the BJP support in Karnataka two years ago) were all strictly off the talk-table on TV shows. The BJP was given no credit for having fought the elections well, having strategised beautifully to defeat the Laloo-Rahul challenge. If the BJP was mentioned at all, it was to warn it to keep on the right side of Nitish Kumar and never to talk of such inanities like Hindus, Hindutva etc. The fact that these elections would have, in any case, swept away even an alliance of congress-Laloo had they fought on a single platform was also studiously avoided.

    However, for many of us these media shananigans are routine. Let us, keep in mind that victories like this come only rarely and therefore, for once, let us really rejoice at the truly great BJP-JDU victory. Let us also enjoy the feel good mood created by the puncturing of Rahul’s spurious claim as the greatest vote-catcher and a “youth icon”.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @ B.V. Shenoy
    Beautiful prose and content. Yes, I too feel that present journos and anchors have become more like Public relation guys than person with greater insight and wider horizon. You can count on the fingers of your one hand, the journalists who have this quality now in India.
    What a loss, what a shame.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Azhar,

    Arre baba thum yahaan bhi aa gaya?

    Learn from us Indians. We are trying to catch and punish our corrupt by improving our democracy, unlike Pakistanis who fall on the feet of their corrupt Zardairs and Musharraffs who stack their billions in foreign banks or Dawood Ibrahims who make billions thru narcotic smugling and invest it in Pakistani terror factories and economy. :D

    In dear Ajju, on this anniversary of 26/11 you should atone by killing a few jehadis and ISI men. And also remember that Shuja Pasha has been summoned by the New York courts as the ISI was the fountainhead of terror behind 26/11. Of course if you love terror and want to become a suicide bomber, you can make fun of the American courts who would be extraditing Shuja Pasha soon.. :D :D

    NOw dont try to defend Shuja Pasha and the terror machine called ISI as you are in the USA and HOmeland security is keeping a record of all the internet postings of Pakistanis…. :D :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @Vinodji,

    Well coming back to the topic of the blog, Yedurappa is small fish as compared to the bigger fish called Dev Gowda. And the biggest fish called Raja.

    I have listened to all the tapes at the OUTLOOK site and I am astounded that journalists went so deep in deciding who should have which berth and why Congress should give tlecom to Raja. Shame!! And they still talk about exposing corruption. Good that OPen and Outlook got the sleaze upfront.

    Vinodji, by the way Yedurappa never said Yedurappa is Karnataka and Karnataka is Yedurappa as DK Baroah did. Neither did the BJP plaster the whole country with this statment that yedurappa is Karnataka. In fact Yeddy has given up a few spoils he had collected.

    Vinodji I think you have fallen vivtim to the Congress spin of diverting attention from the crores in 2G…. :D

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Pl refer to state ombudsman Hegde’s renewed protests and you’d get your answer. I fall to nobody’s spin. I have my own take on issues— and was the first journalist in India to report in June that Raja could be on his way out. There were no tapes at that time.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Vijay

    And you so conviniently forget your Minister Mr. Terrorist Modi was not issued a US visa because of his invovlvement in GujRat killings.

    ISI is stuck in your throat, and USA and NATO force know if ISI stops helping them, then only God knows what will happend to them in Afghnaistan.

    As far as homeland Security goes, this is the Good Old USA and not undia. An as far as internet posting goes they also track people who are joyous when your terrorists army kills innocent people in Kashmir. So be careful next time you put smiles when you kill innocent civilians.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Hussain – Here is 25 paise – for polishing my shoes – keep the change and leave!

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Everyone,

    The New York courts have asked for the extradition of the ISI chief.

    a) How should India add more power to this proposal so that Shuja Pasha and Sajid Mir like David Headley are caught by the US justice department. Remember the US is also getting sick and tired of Pakistan. After throwing aid at all the Pakistani leaders standing with begging bowls, the Pakistanis come back like bed bugs biting for more blood :D :D

    b) Headley is far more invovled with ISI, says today’s HT report.

    I think from this point we should remember reports in DAWN and other Pakistani papers that Pakistani parents dont mind selling their children to the ISI and Hamid GUl for 2 lakh rupees to become suicide bombers. We should head hunt for Pakistanis who will become RAW agents and become suicide bombers in Pakistan.

    Jiska suicde bomber ussi ka sar :D :D :D

    HEY !!! BRIGHT IDEA!! :D :D

    We can try to convince Azhar and Sal to become suicde bombers forr RAW!! :D :D

    Azhar and Sal… humko suicide bomber mil jayega… thumhare ghar walon ko do lakh…. aur tumko jannat…. :D :D

    Saare khush!!!

    Wah wah … what a scheme !

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Vijay

    You are barking like you people can do anything and everything alone, but at the end of day used be USSR and now Uncle Sam’s help needed.

    USA gets away with murder through shear power….thousads killed in Iraq and Afghnistan

    Nobody is going to hand over anybody to USA……ISI rocks thats why you talk about it day in and day out.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar,

    You should make the ISI rock more!!

    We indians will give you two lakhs and a suicide bomb jacket… go to the ISI headqyarters… press the button… and dear Azhar, 72 houris shaking their bottom await you with bottles of red wine… :D :D

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Vijay

    With two lakhs I am sure you can feed almost two lakh of your downridden with one square meal…..Slumdog should not be talking like this…or just because the white man has used this terminology its ok.

    Then again anything the whiteman say goes because of your inferiority complex.

    By the way Asian Games just ended, when compared to country of similar size you guys are just slumdogs….you were jumping up and down like there was no tomorrow during the CWG’s.

    Your favorite topic is Muslim Countries…lets count them together and they become more than 1 billion….OMG more gold than your sorry sass’s can ever win.

  • vijay Kumar

    EXPOSED :D :D !! EXPOSED !! :D :D !! EXPOSED !! COngress most corrupt, yedurappa least in Karnataka!!

    I am giving an excerpt from Tehelka which shows that SM KRISHNA an DeV Gowda donated omre to their family than Yedurappa!! :D :D

    So clearly the media is focusing more on Yedurappa to deflect the light from the 2 G!! :D :D

    Hey Ram… hai Allah!! Congress has shot itself in the foot again!

    He then listed how much land previous chief ministers had given away. SM Krishna (Congress) denotified 633.33 acres, Dharam Singh (Congress) 110.33 acres, HD Kumaraswamy (Janata Dal–Secular) 346.23 acres and he, Yeddyurappa (BJP), 259.12 acres so far. It seemed like he was comparing a roll of honour. Not for a moment did it occur to Yeddyurappa that he was illegally allotting land to family members under the CM’s discretionary quota or the G category.

    Now, TEHELKA is able to establish that Yeddyurappa may have inadvertently been speaking the truth. Documents with TEHELKA show that crores of rupees worth of land has been given away from as far back as 1989 in the flourishing metro of Bengaluru, where real estate is among the costliest in India. It appears that chief ministers of all parties regularly flouted rules and stretched official definitions to benefit party workers, legislators, ministers, family members, friends, drivers, maids and other servants. The provision all of them used was where the Bengaluru Development Authority (BDA) Act allows governments the discretion to allot sites to ‘persons in public life’.

    Krishna, now External Affairs Minister, Singh, Kumaraswamy and Yeddyurappa used the ambiguity of the provision to allot land to people of their choice. Their whimsical decisions have cost the exchequer several crores of rupees. In many cases, sites measuring 50×80 sq ft and 60×40 sq ft in prime localities of Bengaluru have been sold for a song. For instance, sites that would have fetched the BDA Rs. 2 crore each in the market were sold to allottees for as low as Rs. 10 lakh.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Now you are showing the red rag of Tehelka to Vinodji, who cannot, for understandable reasons, bear to hear the word corruption mentioned together with the congress party. In fact, Deve Gowda is the king amongst all corupt CMs. My earlier post mentioned how he “gifted” a petrol pump site in a prime locality of Bangalore for a song to his daughter in law. Krishna is the cat that drank milk with eyes closed, believing the whole world is asleep. He is also the worst FM India has ever had.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Why are you so keen to defend Yeddy? Can’t u see that even the state ombudsman Hegde does not agree with you.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Sal and Azhar : filty, mongrel Pak dogs of mixed Saudi-Chinese ancestory, living of bread cumbs from USA. One of them even has a broken, moth-infested mirror tied around his neck by the father of Pakistan , Jinnah !

    Hilarious.

    Sal Reply:

    Rajiv you are barking at the wrong door. Your master lives just next to it.

    RAVI Reply:

    Mr. Vinod you have the habit of digressing all Political debates which involves troubled congress by trying to save them from ignominy by bringing in Yeddi and Modi. For people like you baiting a person is more important than knowing truth.. Like what Brinda said about Modi being exonerated by SIT… Yeddi is a small pry Why don’t you talk about Kumaraswamy (a big fish) whose family (Devegowda & sons) grabbed large stretches of land and more several thousands of crores over the period of 15-20 years when they were in power. You do your most vitriolic tongue lashing on BJP and Sangh parivar while you are maintain intelligent silence on issues of minority fanaticism, Pak, and congis. A journalist of your stature should not take sides or have hidden agenda like Barka Dutta (who barked and barked and finally fallen from grace) you should be impartial.

  • Pankaj#1

    @ Azhar;
    Shhhhh, this place is not for mentally deranged people. scoot.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Pankaj0

    Its not you fault, historically truth people have hard time digesting the truth, to point fingers its very easy.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @ Azhar.
    OK, Let us talk truth. What truth you are talking about. In Indian context you say that indians have inferiority complex with Goras? You are in America, have gone there to learn some thing from them. But you have not learnt anything worthwhile, you are same bigoted person as you were before. The way you think, speak, I have my doubts that you are in America or you are so very dense, that you can not learn anything now after your brainwashing. We never abuse goras as you are prone to do,but when you feel you are in tight corner, you exclaim, good old America, instantly America becomes hero to you, to whom you were abusing in Afghanistan. do you have any inkling about the use of term Slumdog and in what context it is being used? Have you heard about expression Junk yard Dog? No you may not have. Yes, Asian Games are over. Where is India and where is pakistan? What was pakistan position in CWG?? All the time you, only pkaistanis try to compare themselves with India, all world knows that they are not same in any sense, any sense again.
    OK, You feel that you are part of Ummah and one of the one billion islamic people, but you know, islamists of your type are being kicked, prosecuted, tortured and killed in every muslim country. You people are escaping their governments and West and India treats you people better than so called muslim governments. There you are just khalls. In USA and India, you are dealt legally, Ex. kasab. In Egypt, In Saudi arabia, In Indonesia, In Algeria, how you people are faring ? So infact people like you are not more than few hundred thousands and rest of the world is sure to eliminate you people physically and /or ideologically. Have no doubt about it. So do not crow about being one billion. No muslim country like you people, I mean people of your ideology and thinking. It is useless to ask you to contemplate, because that is beyond you.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    By the way Azhar, After UAE, Syria has also endorsed permanent seat for India. Please do not smoke cigarette, oh you do not smoke? then where from this…..

    Kushagra Reply:

    Azhar, no doubt Pakistanies are completely unspoiled by their failures.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @kushagra

    When are going to start talking sense…….has more viggies and less beef made you like this

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar and Kushagra

    Azhar, you have to concede that Kushagra is brilliant ! :D

    I have taken you as a test case, as a guinea pig, in trying to understand whether it is possible to reform a Pakistani who has undergone brainwashing in a school curriculam designed by evil Cobra Gen Zia and Mulla Omar. I don’t know whether I will succeed. But I will keep trying till you reform and go home to kill the ISI, the jehadis, the Hafeez Saeeds and Dawood Ibrahims.

    Meanwhile I must also admire Kuhagra’s approach of telling you what the world at large thinks of Pakistanis. I think you should understand that the world really thinks that “Pakistanies are completely unspoiled by their failures.”

    Good luck ! Khuda Hafeez….

    Kushagra Reply:

    Azhar, you’ll start getting sense of what I mean the day you start becoming smarter.

    Perhaps, more pork in your diet would be a good starting point to help develop some brain cells.

    I am sure you don’t want to die stupid.

    Kushagra Reply:

    Thanks Vijay :-)

  • Rajiv

    Azhar is ‘Gali ka kutta’ in this forum just as Pakistan is ‘gali Ka kutta’ in the Indian subcontinent.

    No matter how much you shoo him away this dog will keep barking. He also has a crooked mirror around his neck, tied by Jinnah. So when ever Azhar looks down, he sees his image ad thinks the entire world looks like this ‘gali ka kutta’ or Pakistan.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajiv

    You never fail to show your third rate character, and there is no shortage of your kind on this forum.

    The more facts about you people is shown the more name calling begins.

    Baita sit down like a nice dog and listen and stop barking will you.

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  • vijay kumar

    EXPOSED :D :D :D !! EXPOSED :D :D !! EXPOSED :D :D :D — Pakistan’s new official PAAPA :D :D

    After reading about Azhar’s pride in China’s peformance in the Asiad, it is clear that Pakstanis now think along with Mohammad Ghori and Osama Bin Loda, Chariman Mao must have contributed semen to have produced part of the present generation !

    Azhar dear, how can Pakistan with 6 medals in the CWG as compared to India’s 101 and only 7 in the Asiad as compared to India’s 64, make fun of India???) :) Funny !!!

    Let me tell you that the Asiad came after the fatigue of the CWG for us. Our top guys like Vishwanathan Anand (world Champ chess) Sushil Kumar (world champ wrestling), Maahesh Bhupathi, Leander Paes etc did not go to Asiad, Neither did our cricket team (No 1 test team as per ICC) and Women’s rteam (higher rated than Pakistan) did not go. So we are at least 10 gold short

    In fact Pakistan is lucky that we did not send our cricket team as it would have lost its cricket gold and silver.

    Anway enjoy that you Papa in China and in Saudi Arabia has got more than Pakistan!!

    What a Cuntry !!! :D :D :D :D Wah Wah Wah:D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    China has two GOTIS ;)
    Pakistan and Bangladesh

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    Vinay Reply:

    I would like to know, why my posts are getting moderated.

    Sometimes, it (my post) gets struck for a day and finally appears at the same place where it was due. In this process, it gets sandwiched between the earlier posts and the the comments which have posted after that. I do not know whether it is just an unintentional error, or is it due to any undesired content in my post. Last time it happened, when my post said current India is actually PVN’s vision and MMS only implemented it. This time it happened to a comment, which tried to say SM Krishna is not clean as his projected image.

    Has anybody else experienced the same?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Vijay

    Pakistan has produced more World Champions than you can dream of since 1947.

    Pakistan have lifted the World Cup 4 times
    Pakistan has lifted the World Cup 1 times
    1949 Egypt Mahmoud Karim England Brian Phillips 9–4, 9–2, 9–10, 9–4
    1950 Egypt Mahmoud Karim India Abdul Bari 9–4, 9–2, 9–7
    1951 Pakistan Hashim Khan Egypt Mahmoud Karim 9–5, 9–0, 9–0
    1952 Pakistan Hashim Khan Egypt Mahmoud Karim 9–5, 9–7, 9–0
    1953 Pakistan Hashim Khan England R.B.R. Wilson 9–2, 8–10, 9–1, 9–0
    1954 Pakistan Hashim Khan Pakistan Azam Khan 6–9, 9–6, 9–6, 7–9, 9–5
    1955 Pakistan Hashim Khan Pakistan Azam Khan 9–7, 7–9, 9–7, 5–9, 9–7
    1956 Pakistan Hashim Khan Pakistan Roshan Khan 9–4, 9–2, 5–9, 9–5
    1957 Pakistan Roshan Khan Pakistan Hashim Khan 6–9, 9–5, 9–2, 9–1
    1958 Pakistan Hashim Khan Pakistan Azam Khan 9–7, 6–9, 9–6, 9–7
    1959 Pakistan Azam Khan Pakistan Mo Khan 9–5, 9–0, 9–1
    1960 Pakistan Azam Khan Pakistan Roshan Khan 9–1, 9–0, 9–0
    1961 Pakistan Azam Khan Pakistan Mo Khan 6–9, 9–1, 9–4, 0–9, 9–2
    1962 Pakistan Azam Khan Pakistan Mo Khan 9–6, 7–9, 10–8, 2–9, 9–4
    1963 Pakistan Mo Khan Egypt A.A. AbouTaleb 9–4, 5–9, 3–9, 10–8, 9–6
    1964 Egypt A.A. AbouTaleb Scotland Mike Oddy 9–3, 9–7, 9–0
    1965 Egypt A.A. AbouTaleb Egypt Ibrahim Amin 9–0, 0–9, 9–1, 9–6
    1966 Egypt A.A. AbouTaleb Pakistan Aftab Jawaid 9–6, 5–9, 9–3, 9–1
    1967 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Pakistan Aftab Jawaid 9–2, 5–9, 9–2, 9–2
    1968 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Egypt A.A. AbouTaleb 9–6, 9–0, 9–5
    1969 Australia Geoff Hunt Australia Cam Nancarrow 9–5, 9–4, 9–0
    1970 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Australia Geoff Hunt 9–7, 3–9, 9–4, 9–4
    1971 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Pakistan Aftab Jawaid 9–1, 9–2, 9–6
    1972 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Australia Geoff Hunt 0–9, 9–7, 10–8, 6–9, 9–7
    1973 Republic of Ireland Jonah Barrington Pakistan Gogi Alauddin 9–4, 9–3, 9–2
    1974 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Mo Yasin Walkover
    1975 Pakistan Qamar Zaman Pakistan Gogi Alauddin 9–7, 9–6, 9–1
    1976 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Mohibullah Khan 7–9, 9–4, 8–10, 9–2, 9–2
    1977 Australia Geoff Hunt Australia Cam Nancarrow 9–4, 9–4, 8–10, 9–4
    1978 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Qamar Zaman 7–9, 9–1, 9–1, 9–2
    1979 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Qamar Zaman 2–9, 9–7, 9–0, 6–9, 9–3
    1980 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Qamar Zaman 9–3, 9–2, 1–9, 9–1
    1981 Australia Geoff Hunt Pakistan Jahangir Khan 9–2, 9–7, 5–9, 9–7
    1982 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Pakistan Hiddy Jahan 9–2, 10–9, 9–3
    1983 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Egypt Gamal Awad 9–2, 9–5, 9–1
    1984 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Pakistan Qamar Zaman 9–0, 9–3, 9–5
    1985 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Australia Chris Dittmar 9–3, 9–2, 9–5
    1986 Pakistan Jahangir Khan New Zealand Ross Norman 9–6, 9–4, 9–6
    1987 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Pakistan Jansher Khan 9–6, 9–0, 9–5
    1988 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Australia Rodney Martin 9–2, 9–10, 9–0, 9–1
    1989 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Australia Rodney Martin 9–2, 3–9, 9–5, 0–9, 9–2
    1990 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Australia Rodney Martin 9–6, 10–8, 9–1
    1991 Pakistan Jahangir Khan Pakistan Jansher Khan 2–9, 9–4, 9–4, 9–0
    1992 Pakistan Jansher Khan Australia Chris Robertson 9–7, 10–9, 9–5
    1993 Pakistan Jansher Khan Australia Chris Dittmar 9–6, 9–5, 6–9, 9–2
    1994 Pakistan Jansher Khan Australia Brett Martin 9–1, 9–0, 9–10, 9–1
    1995 Pakistan Jansher Khan England Peter Marshall 15–4, 15–4, 15–5
    1996 Pakistan Jansher Khan Australia Rodney Eyles 15–13, 15–8, 15–10
    1997 Pakistan Jansher Khan Scotland Peter Nicol 17–15, 9–15, 15–12, 8–15, 15–8
    1998 Scotland Peter Nicol Pakistan Jansher Khan 17–16, 15–4, 15–5
    1999 Canada Jonathon Power Scotland Peter Nicol 15–17, 15–12, rtd
    2000 Wales David Evans Australia Paul Price 15–11, 15–6, 15–10
    2001 Australia David Palmer England Chris Walker 12–15, 13–15, 15–2, 15–9, 15–5
    2002 England Peter Nicol Australia John White 15–9, 15–8, 15–8
    2003 Australia David Palmer England Peter Nicol 15–13, 15–13, 15–8
    2004 Australia David Palmer Egypt Amr Shabana 10–11 (4–6), 11–7, 11–10 (3–1), 11–7
    2005 Australia Anthony Ricketts England James Willstrop 11–7, 11–9, 11–7
    2006 England Nick Matthew France Thierry Lincou 11–8, 5–11, 11–4, 9–11, 11–6
    2007 France Grégory Gaultier France Thierry Lincou 11–4, 10–11 (0–2), 11–6, 11–3
    2008 Australia David Palmer England James Willstrop 11–9, 11–9, 8–11, 6–11, 11–10 (3–1)
    2009 England Nick Matthew England James Willstrop 8–11, 11–8, 7–11, 11–3, 12–10

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Azhar, I know you work hard to spread filth. Don’t try too hard, you’ll still be underpaid!

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    lets say, the Pakistanis have a mixed ancestry of Chinese , Arabs , Turks and blah blah blah.

    wanna see Mr Azhar Hussain’s real photo ?? as he has a mixed ancestry , he looks like this.

    http://i56.tinypic.com/2lselat.jpg

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Paritosh

    I always thaught you looked like this, but thanks for showing your face. I was not disappointed because your posts always had quality of a mixed breed.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    +@ Azhar,

    Pakistan is no 1 Not only in homosexuality but also in

    a) Rape sex and child sex, — very sad and bad
    b)Donkey sex
    c)Incest
    d) sex with chicken. (how sad)

    You can check up Google statistics. You will know what depths you have fallen to.
    Your evil Cobra gen was a HOmo. And Sadly while he prostrated like a donkey in front of males,he
    has buggered the mentality of most Pakistanis to one of hating all religions and cultures.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    My point is we i.e our culture and religion does not promote or encourage this filth. And we like that way. Unlike yours just to please the west you say or write the popular buz words’free speech” “live and let live” “its their choice”. Good for you if you are happy like that.

    RAVI Reply:

    Azhar stop bragging.. TRUTH IS ALWAYS BITTER but good for health if you can swallow in coolly

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Paritosh Good one! :-)

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Coming back to domestic issues , I was wondering should not the Government conduct a full Inquiry into the Radia Tapes which involve two well known journalists Vir Sanghvi and Barkha Dutt and find out the truth as these journalists have been awarded the National Awards “Padma Shri” by the UPA.

    If found true , a decision needs to be taken , should not these awards be taken back from these persons who do not deserve Awards of Honour but Awards of Disgrace.

    How the Congress Party has been rewarding and buying the commitment of favourable journalists is a long story. In earlier days select journalists were allotted flats from the Central Govt Housing Pool, which was big thing in those days. Then some journalists started seeking favour of government jobs for spouses or allottment of plots/flats. Then some who were quite affluent and not in the need of such favours were given National Awards. One gentleman made big money from programmes telecast on Doordarshan .Later on after the days of liberalization, the aspirations and ambitions and hunger of some of these journalists grew and they wanted to make it big. Today some of them own or part own media houses and Production Houses. Some indication of this also available in the Amar Singh Audio Tapes.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Praveen ..I agree. Lets not spend time on this 25 cents Azhsar..

    However, let us not go back in time, because then nothing will get done with the lethargic legal ssytem, and time will give significant benefits to all accused.

    What is needed now is a swift investigation into G2, severe punishment to all (a few IAS types, journo types, Raja types must spend jail term including a few who should never get parole).

    I consider this equal or higher to any acts of terrorism or even Pakistani provocations. Why should a soldier/jawan fight for India if that India is the looting property of a few? Why did Karkare and Maj unnikrishnan sacrifice their lives? Why did the Kargill jawans fight and die in an inhospitable land? (and can you believe man, can you, can you, this Adarsh sh… Why do they name these hoaxes Adarsh and Satyam…. it makes me puke really….and the fact that generals were involved..what type of leaders we have…it is shame… Ashar looks like more and more a friend!)

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    RAVI Reply:

    Mr. Praveen you have a point… These self styled media activists and conscience keepers like Barka and Sangvi are fake journalists, power brokers and self-deceivers. NDTV should shunt out Barka for bringing disrepute to the respected channel. Even Sangvi is a untrustworthy journalist who had been faking standards but thank God “MASK HAS FALLEN”.. I think this is just a beginning. There are many so called reputed journalist who will be shown their place as this is a “AGE OF WIKILEAKS”.. Let it happen WE WANT TO KNOW TRUTH… If they have slightest shame for their abominable acts, Barka and Sangvi should return National Awards “Padma Shri” given by the UPA. Everyone knows Congress has an hidden agenda but why did they fall to honey trap? It is time to trap these fake journalists and weed them out.

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  • vijay kumar

    +@ Vinodji,

    The time has now come to post a new blog on how to make India corruption free. After Tehelka’s release of data it is clear that SM Krishna and Deve Gowda were bigger culprits than Yedurappa, a Kindergarten student in the school of corruption.

    The basic issue still remains 2 G. It will not go away till the culprits are punished. Shekhar Gupta has written, today, what I had said a week back, That the old bofors feeling is back.

    If the Congress hand is clean it should go in for a full fledged probe and in case DMK starts doing bhangra it can cash in on Jaya.

    Meanwhile Vir Sanghvi today signed of from the COunterpoint column for six months. A pity. For he was among the few journalists who could see beyond the Kabab parties at the Pakistanis high commissions and see that Pakistani culture and people are now totally different from us since they have been buggered by Martial law and consistent fanaticism ever since evil cobra Gen Zia took over. And we can never trust them since their commitment to jehadi agenda is total.

    But then Vir took a wrong turn ever since he chose to become the poster boy of the COngress. It has to be India first and last for all of us…. :D

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Vijay

    This is your culture and this is first time I am happy to see guys slip and slide towards that western culture. I very much doubt that Hinduism promotes such behaviour, or does it?

    Delhi draped in rainbow colours as gays walked for pride
    Indo-Asian News Service
    New Delhi, November 28, 2010
    First Published: 19:51 IST(28/11/2010)
    Last Updated: 19:53 IST(28/11/2010)
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    Wearing their sexuality on their sleeves, lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders (LGBT) brandished rainbow-coloured flags, held banners and swayed to drum beats with pride at the third edition of the Delhi gay parade on Sunday. Over 1,000 members of the LGBT community and their supporters
    marched from Barakhamba Road to Jantar Mantar off the posh commercial district of Connaught Place.

    Some had their faces covered with multi-hued masks and wings, while most others walked smiling at the cameras – unabashed and fearlessly.

    Popularly referred to as ***** pride march, it was led by two men on a pink scooty holding balloons of different colours.

    They were holding placards reading ‘Delhi pride festival’, ‘All we need is love’, ‘Come out and play’ and ‘Straight but not narrow’.

    A large posse of police personnel, however, were never far from the marchers, keeping an eye on the goings-on.

    Just like the previous parades, this year too the funds were raised by the LGBT community and masks, rainbow-coloured scarves, whistles and candies were distributed.

    According to the organisers, the crowd at this time’s parade was much larger than the previous two as it was the first one after the Delhi High Court’s historic judgment decriminalising consensual homosexual relationships.

    “Not only lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgenders participated, many other people also came out. The most heartening thing is that families of many members of LGBT community also came to support them. Slowly things are changing,” said Mohnish Malhotra, one of the organisers.

    However, he said the march was not just about celebration but a protest against discrimination faced by the LGBT community.

    “We are protesting against discrimination faced by the LGBT community. The community is often subjugated to violence by police and thugs. They are blackmailed and forced into marriage by families, which leads to suicides,” he said.

    “It is a big celebration after the Delhi High Court judgement last year. It is the biggest turnout. By looking at it we know that things are changing. It’s a great feeling to be yourself and not pretend to be someone else,” said Mahashweta Das, one of the participants.

    A large number of foreigners also took part in the parade.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @ Azhar
    I remember an old joke by Ejaz Haider of daily times of pakistan. When a hunter of pakistani origin, went to hunt a Polar bear, and aimed his gun at it, bear was next to him in a ziffy and told the hunter, either take your pant down or I kill you. Next day, pakistani hunter returned with bigger gun, but same happened and hunter had to lower his pant. When this happened two times more, bear asked, do you come here for hunting me or you have some other shauk??
    why you come to this site to hunt indians times and again, or you have some other….

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Azhar hussain

    Arre baba Nakal ke liye bhi akal chahiye !!! :D :D :D

    When You cut and pasted the long list of squash champions you did not use your brains!! :D :D

    More than half the people in your list are NOT PAKISTANIS !!! HA HA AHA :D :D

    That is the trouble with you Pakistanis. The brain has been hijacked by the Djinn and ghost of evil cobra Gen Zia and the salsa done by Mull Omar!!

    Arre yaar Azhar, reform. Kill the ISI, the jehadis, the Dawood Ibrahims, the Mulla Omars. A better Pakistan will emerge!! :D

    As for your second posting on Lesbians and Homosexuals. Let me tell you most Indians are against homosexuals but then it is a question of individual freedom. Your Saudi Arabian papa are the biggest homos of the world. In fact the Saudi prince, and your hero was caught in London, killing his homo partner in a lift.

    By the way, I was at this Gay parade as an observer along with a dear friend– and maybe my fiancee tommorrow, who had been assigned this duty to cover this for her TV channel. As much as I loath the idea of this homosexuality, I will still concede that it is a question of individual choice. In my view against the order of nature. But I cannot make morals for all.

    But…. the cake !!!

    THERE WERE AT LEAST A FEW PAKISTANI HOMOS THERE AND THEY WERE WILLING TO SWEAR THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORE PREVALENT THERE BECAUSE OF LACK OF CHANCE TO TALK TO GIRLS… :D :D :D

    AND AT LEAST TWO of your past presidents– the one who is an evil cobra now killed by mangoes and the guy who presided over the Kargil flop show … well loved young boys!!! :D : D :D

    THis is true. And I am not going to reveal more as it would definitely endanger the Pakistanis who were here…..

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  • Azhar Hussain

    More than half the people in your list are NOT PAKISTANIS !!! HA HA AHA

    The point was and still is your 1 billion cannot produce so many champions in the next 100 years.

    List of British Open Men’s champions by number of victories
    Champion Number of titles
    Jahangir Khan 10
    Geoff Hunt 8
    Hashim Khan 7
    Jonah Barrington 6
    F.D. Amr Bey 6
    Jansher Khan 6
    Mahmoud Karim 4
    Azam Khan 4
    David Palmer 4
    Total 55
    Out of 55 Championships, Pakistan prevailed 27 times

    Champions Runner-up
    Pakistan 30 Pakistan 25
    Australia 13 England 18
    Egypt 13 Australia 14
    England 7 Egypt 7
    Ireland 6 Scotland 3
    Scotland 1 France 2
    Canada 1 India 1
    Wales 1 New Zealand 1
    France 1

    You cannot match this

    If you compare yourself to same size country, you guys look like jokers and Asian Games proved.

    As far Gays goes, the differrence between your sick culture and ours is that if our religion says its bad that is homosexuality is forbidden then Vijay it is forbidden. I don’t care what the gora’s say it is not part of us, period. No If And or Butt.

    We don’t care if you except it, thats your prorogative. Maybe you will be able to slow your population growth this way, good for you. Sex with kids is exceptable by Western standards, it is quite popular in Europe and they also go to Thailand for it.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Azhar
    kab tak purani garmi se sek lete rahoge? things have started deteriorating in pakistan since maudidi teachings have started taking control of you people. stop the slide, if you can. Otherwise, pakistan is a big black hole of universe, sucking all the bad people and rest of the milky way will not permit this. get awakened. Fail to understand that why and how you can not see obvious.

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  • vijay kumar

    Azhar,

    Your frustration of being a Pakistani is showing !!

    Maybe you should become a Thai, an American pr a Somalian and give up your Pakistani citizenship forever!

    Nobody questioned the fact that Jansher or Jahagir did well in the squash coiurts. But that is before the homosexual evil Cobra changed the school curriculum so that Pakistanis are now only good for suicide bombings, killing minorities, telling lies and heroin smuggling.

    Isn’t narco-terrorist pakistan the only truth about your cuntry?== Pakistan the world champion of heroin smuggling! :D

    Is’nt aid beggin your only occupation?? :D Pakistan the world champion for beggin for Aid(s) :D

    Is’nt terror your best game? Pakistan and ISI the world champion of terror and terrorists?:D

    Is/nt suicide bombing your unique Pakistani pride? Pakistani the world’s suicide bombers… :D

    I can extend the list to 50 more Pakistani championship winnnings.. but I dont want to shame u so that u will commit suicide. I want you to reform and become intelligent, warm, truthful, peace loving, democratic like Indians :D :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    Azhar,

    As I had explained to you…

    I have taken you as a test case, as a guinea pig, in trying to understand whether it is possible to reform a Pakistani who has undergone brainwashing in a school curriculam designed by evil Cobra Gen Zia and Mulla Omar. I don’t know whether I will succeed. But I will keep trying till you reform and go home to kill the ISI, the jehadis, the Hafeez Saeeds and Dawood Ibrahims.

    Now I am about to go to sleep. But I am filing my report to the psychological forum for today. That Gen Zia’s brainwahing is very difficult to remove from a Pakistanis head….

    And by the way you check up with the Homos in Delhi’s gay parade… your evil cvobra and your Kargil flop show were Homosexuals… and the nadas who are slaves of vaderas are basically all homosexuals companions like Nawab Khwaish ali and most of sexually frustrated Pakistan/// :D

    yeh Saxh ka saamna karo…

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Vijay

    What a moron you have become, it is sexual frustration that causes homosexuality in Pakistan and in the non-muslim countries it is because they want to get….. wow in Pakistan they would call you Bahot Baray Chutiya ho Tum

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Azhar, I gave you 25 paise only to polish my shoes. I did no permit you to bore us with ideas on your insignificant life.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    25 paisa will go a long way in the slumdog coountry of yours

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Does P-a-k-i always act so stupid for begging for more dole or is it their inherent nature Azhar?

  • Raju Kurien

    It is a “registered” and quoted fact that in absolute numbers (not as percentage of populatioo0 there are more Pakistanis registered on gaysites (such as gaydar, manjam etc) than Indians.

    It is a fact that (published by google), that Pakistanis surf porno sites more than any other nationality.

    This excuse “our religion does not allow this” is a bit old and tiring. that is what they always say –when somebody explodes a bomb in the railway station or explodes in a place of worship –the usual answer is “they are not muslims, because a Muslim will not do suicide bombing”

    Case closed.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Raju

    Case is notclased so easily

    80,000 dead and counting in Kashmir
    1/2 million dead in Afghnistan UsA and NATO
    1 million when your father in law USSR invaded the same country
    5 million displaced due that invasion
    1/2 million dead and counting in Iraq
    Millions displaced by illegal birth of Israel

    Raju someone is going to react and you better believe there will be backlash

    As far gays and sexual sites the whole world is watching but our culture and religion does not promote it, here lies the difference.

    Here in the States alone every minute a female is raped or assaulted…What is the reason for it? you can go to the bar and pick them with just one drink, but these things happed because no punishment or it has become acceptable e.g date rape in colleges. Every where and every product is sold on the base sexual enticement from water, to clothes. This is how much non-muslims have respect for women…You people should be the last ones teaching us on morality and respect for women.

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  • Rajiv

    @Azhar
    Now the Saudi King ( Pakistan’s father ) calling Pak president rotten !
    Its tough being a Saudi dog on Chinese leash with a mirror hung by Jinnah around the neck !!

    Come on bark !!

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    Sal Reply:

    An indian dog has forgot that Richard Nixon has called Indra Gandhi a “Old Witch” when Indian dog was serving his ex master i.e Russia and now the same indian dog is pleased to serve its new master i.e US.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    And one more thing for india dog Rajiv is Henry Kessinger has called Indra Gandhi a “*****” and a dog knows very well what is a ***** for a dog.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    “B*tch”

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow;
    And that B#i#C. rode that unleashed dog and divided it into two halves. The upper half is still barking but incapable of biting or riding.

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    Sal Reply:

    That half is still an independent but the thing is that b*tch couldnt take her own piece i.e Pak Kashmir.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Sal
    Woh bhi le lenge. Kyon Jhel nahi pa rahe kya?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Azhar Hussain

    Your culture and religion does not promote this… see the video onn PM Gilani and Sherry Rheman. And that is what your culture promotes — public molestation of women by the Prime Minister….

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  • RAVI

    Mr. Sal don’t be so desperate…your country and your people calls west several names but still survive on the crumbs given by US…What a shame!! when you can’t earn your own bread why do you brag so much…YOu must learn to be humble… You need money from US to buy arms to be given to talibans and take a beating from them.. and money given for flood victims goes for buying arms for JEM and JUD… Pathetic and disgusting people…

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  • http://monex.to/ Monex

    His rage against the twosome may be understandable because the two leaders had reneged on their earlier commitment to vote for the BJP-Left Front cut motion but staged a walkout instead thus letting the government win but not at all his manners and lack of civility. Finally why is no one protesting against the indignity the Congress and the Janata Dal United MLAs are inflicting on the legislature by using the chamber as their eating and sleeping place?

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  • Anonymous

    I only copy paste as I am not good in writing.

    Innocent well-meaning people have fallen prey to the media’s evil designs. The Gujarat riots were plain riots- not pogrom’ or ‘massacre’. The state government- far from being involved in the riots- handled the riots effeciently and controlled them in 3 days- while riots continued in Gujarat for 6 months in 1969 and 1985 under Congress rule in which close to 10,000 people each were killed. At the time of the 2002 riots, this same English media did report the truth at times. The following facts will make it clear-
    1) On 28 February 2002 , The Hindustan Times reported that the entire police force of 70,000 had been deployed in Gujarat view of apprehensions that riots may break out.
    2) On Feb 28 The Indian Express reported that “(On Feb 27) the state government had deployed the Rapid Action Force in Ahmedabad and other sensitive areas and the Centre sent in CRPF personnel”.. Both these reports were published even before a single riot had taken place.
    3) Riots began in Ahmedabad on Feb 28 at 11 AM . India Today weekly ( 18 March 2002 ) reports that Modi informally requested the Centre for deployment of Army at 12-00 noon i.e. within 1 hour. The same weekly also reports one column of troops reached Ahmedabad at 2-30 AM on 1st March and staged a flag march the same morning at 9 AM.
    4) The same weekly in the issue also says that the then Defence Minister George Fernandes was in Ahmedabad at 2-00 Am on 1st March on Modi’s request and was bravely on Ahmedabad’s streets that morning (1st March) at a great personal risk.
    5) The Hindu reported on 1st March 2002 that, “The Army units, frantically called by the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi…started arriving in Ahmedabad…”.This shows that some Army units reached Ahmedabad so quickly on Feb 28 that The Hindu had time to report their arrival on Feb 28 itself and publish it on 1st March!
    6) Out of 18,600 villages, 240 towns and 25 district headquarters, hardly 60 places saw riots. One-third of Gujarat, i.e. Saurashtra and Kutch were completely unaffected by riots even in the first 3 days. After the first three days- riots were limited to Ahmedabad, Vadodara and some places near Godhra- and almost all were started by Muslims.
    7) In the first three days- Gujarat police shot dead 98 rioters- majority of whom were Hindus. On 1st March, The Hindu reported that- “At least 10 people have been killed in police firing in Ahmedabad alone by evening (of Feb 28)”. Then on 2nd March, The Indian Express reported that “Police shot dead 20 people in Gujarat, 12 in Ahmedabad, on 1st March”. Then on 3rd March, Indian Express reported-”77 more people have been killed in Police/ Army firing (on 2nd March)”. Then on 2nd March ‘The Hindu’ reported that-”Unlike Feb 28 when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash on 1st March has further worsened the situation.”
    The Times of India dated 18 March 2002 devoted a complete report titled, “Riots hit all classes, people of all faith” on Hindu victims of the riots and says, “Contrary to popular belief that only Muslims have been affected in the recent riots more than 10,000 persons belonging to the Hindu community have also become homeless”.
    9) The Indian Express devoted two full reports exclusively to Hindu victims in Ahmedabad in its issues dated 7 May 2002 and 10th May 2002. The victims were not only homeless; they did not even have relief camps to live in, and hence had to live in temples.
    10) India Today weekly reports in its issue dated 27 May 2002, “A series of attacks by Muslims on policemen has further added to mutual lack of faith. Now strapped with the anti-Muslim label, the police has been slow in acting against Muslim fanatics”.
    11) India Today (27 May 2002) also gives details of attacks on Hindus by Muslims. The same weekly reports in its issue dated 15 April 2002 that- “A young Hindu went to Himmatnagar (Muslim) area of Ahmedabad to do business and was found dead, with his eyes gouged out”. This issue also gives details of Muslim aggression.
    12) India Today weekly dated 22 April 2002 also reports that ‘Gujarat police saved 2,500 Muslims from certain death in Sanjeli, North Gujarat on 1st March 2002′. The weekly also says- ‘Like Sanjeli, 5,000 Muslims were also saved in Bodeli town in Vadodara district by the police’ and ‘Thousands of Muslims were also saved in Viramgam town from 15,000 armed Hindus’ by police and the Army. The UPA government- staunchly anti-BJP, has given figures of 790 Muslims and 254 Hindus killed in the Gujarat riots, and 223 missing, in Rajya Sabha on 11 May 2005. A total of 790 Muslims were killed in the riots- more than thrice that number were saved on one day at a single place.
    13) Throughout Gujarat riots- there are only two instances of real anti-Muslim riots-The Ehsan Jafri case and the Naroda Patiya case. In the Ehsan Jafri case, the police shot dead 5 Hindus outside his house and saved the lives of more than 200 Muslims. There were 250 people inside Jafri’s house and the mob killed 39- with police saving more than 200- despite being overwhelmingly numbered by the rioters who were more than 10,000..
    14) There have been 4 convictions of Muslims for rioting after Godhra and Muslims were given various sentences. 4 Muslims were convicted by a Vadodara fast track court on 16 October 2003 and given life imprisonment. Ex-Vadodara Deputy Mayor and Congress leader Nisar Bapu was acquitted, but his son and son-in-law were convicted. This was reported in at least three English dailies, including The Times of India dated 17 October 2003. 9 and 7 Muslims were convicted in two separate judgments on 18 and 28 March 2006 by fast track courts in Ahmedabad- reported by all major English dailies the next day. Muslims were hardly the cattle hiding from the slaughter house that the media makes them out to be. The conviction of Muslims proves that Muslims were equally on the offensive.
    The newspaper editors and others who call the Gujarat riots as a ‘holocuast’, ‘pogrom’, ‘genocide’ or ‘massacre’ should look at their own newspapers’ reports on these very things. Will these facts awaken the conscience of the newspaper editors and journalists and ofcourse the electronic media and make them reveal the bitter truth of the Gujarat riots- that even after Godhra, the riots that followed were not one-sided?
    sureshvacha
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    07:42 PM I fail to understand the reason for asking these

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice, you have been copy-pasting this exact content on any article on Modi on HT. Perhaps you are hoping that repeating half-truths zillions of time will convince the public of a different version of truth.

    The thing is both these facts are true:
    1. Narendra Modi will get away with what he did – by systematically destroying all official documentation, and keeping enough “buffer” (seen Godfather?:) )
    2. Seeds of mistrust in Modi will never go from the minds of Indians. He will never get a national role in his lifetime, no matter how much he tries to steal the achievements of Gujratis as his own achievment.

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  • Anonymous

    Mera bharat REALLY mahan, unless how can a ISI mole pass as a journalist in HT.
    Here is a copy and paste from the paper THE HINDU
    For the first time since the riots in Gujarat eight years ago, State Chief Minister Narendra Modi on Saturday subjected himself to marathon questioning by the Supreme Court-appointed SIT in two sessions lasting for more than nine hours.

    Zia should realise this is NOT A ISLAMIC REPUBLIC , it is not malaysia , saudi or HIS BELOVED PAKISTAN. WE DONT DO SUMMARY EXECUTION LIKE BHUTTO WAS HANGED AND THEN HIS GENITALS PHOTOGRAPHED TO MAKE SURE HE WAS A PRACTISING MUSLIM(source patrick french India , a portrait of billion people)

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  • anil

    I have never seen Zia Haq ever writing anything that is a concern to all. Every time he writes something it has to be the winging about Muslim community! If he really thinks he is writing for all irrespective of religious background, he needs to work first to improve his credibility before people can give him some decent hearing!
    Is that asking too much of him? may be.

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    RajX Reply:

    He has been open about writing about “Muslim issues”. I won’t fault him for that. What I fault is his rabid ness and intrinsically distorted cult like way of thinking.

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  • Judge Stern

    Zia Haq, blinded by the rage against the Gajarat Chief minister, has been writing all gobbledegook for a long period of time ever since he started this blog with the support of the HT establishment! He has no sense that many legal hurdles have been hurled by the Congress, the Muslims and the pseudo-secularists of India at Mr. Narendra Modi and to-date, they utterly failed at uncovering anything bad against him! This is so as there is nothing to frame him and like a great son of the soil, he has been doing great deeds for the Gujarat state and the good people of that state have been returning him to the seat of governance repeatedly. Mr. Huq like other nefarious detrators will be consigned to the history’s dustbin whereas Mr. Modi will soon move to the seat of the nation’s power to change the destiny of the country.

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    engrich Reply:

    MAGIC FORMULA
    The Brahminists rule India by adopting a superb magic formula:
    Keep the people starved, illiterate, superstitious and caste divided.
    Such humans reduced to bones and animal level can be easily managed to surrender and serve the Brahminists injecting a heavy dose of their poisonous religion.
    Non-Hindu Muslims and Christians are dubbed anti-national and silenced. That is how even a proven terrorist party like the RSS-BJP gets elected.
    When this is the enormous commanding capacity of the less than 15% Brahminists, they can make even a donkey as PM and mislead us saying it is the prize-winning Derby horse.

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    RajX Reply:

    Modi is not a Brahmin you arabized idiot and neither is sonia or manmohan Singh.

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    engrich Reply:

    brhmnst use backward for dirty work.he is their monkey.

  • Anonymous

    MR.MODI IS NOT GUILTY OF GENOCIDE.IT IS VOTE BANK POLITICS AND IS PREVALENT IN EVERY PARTY OF INDIA.HAD NOT IT HAPPENED IN 1984 ?MY DEAR, IT IS INDIAN PRESS WHICH IS PUBLISHING YOUR COMMENTS.MY COMMENTS ABOUT HINDU,CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE IN PAK WERE NOT GIVEN PLACE EVEN IN READER’S COMMENTS IN PAK PAPER THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE.SEE THE DIFF.VOTE BANK IS NOT LIMITED TO ONE PARTY. MR. SALMAN KHURSHEED IS SAYING ON THE EVE OF UP ELECTIONS THAT THERE WILL BE QUOTA FOR MUSLIMS IN OBC QUOTA.NO ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN AGAINST HIM. EVEN MR. BENI PRASAD VERMA IS SAYING SAME THING.HAVE YOU WRITTEN COMMENTS THEN?EVEN OUR NEWSPAPERS HAVE POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS.THEY PUBLISH WHAT SUITS THEIR POLITICAL MASTERS.THIS IS PREVALENT ALL OVER THE WORLD.THIS WORLD IS CREATED BY ALLAH(GOD) TO BEHAVE IN THIS WAY.NO ONE CAN CHANGE.

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  • engrich

    aaloke this is hindu india and hindu justice sysytice system which is unequal.

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  • engrich

    nothing better is expected from hindu justice system where twice born cannot commit any sin.though he is not twice born but supported by them.

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  • Anonymous

    The muslims are strange species..There are tons of evidence against muslim rulers who killed hindus but muslims come up with stories and claim that muslim rulers were all benevolent..however when it comes to non-muslim rulers, they are pronounced guilty without any evidence.

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    engrich Reply:

    most of the foriegn invaers killed more muslims than nonmuslims.yes muslim rulers were benevolent and bad as well.

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  • Anonymous

    This is TAQUIYA in full swing. With your name you are trying to hide your circumcision status. A plonker like you should know summary justice is WE THINK MODI IS GUILTY , THUS LETS HANG HIM , like YOUR INSPIRATION ZIA AND SADDAM DID.
    In India we investigate , AND IF WE FAIL TO PRODUCE ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT CAN STAND THE RIGOURS OF LEGAL ARGUMENT

    WE LET THEM FREE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    You caught this SOB..These ******** have started using hindu names..His mother and daughter was probably raped by some hindu, that’s why MF has taken up hindu name..Madarchod Katua..

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  • RajX

    Zia is a Islamist first. Being fair, just and human is not one of his concerns and even if it is, it comes only after his “ummah”. Just read his artcles and that’s clear.

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    engrich Reply:

    raj did zia wrote anything wrong.attack the content of his article not him personally.u hve the right of ur opinion.

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  • RajX

    Did he bravely burn the Hindus in that train in godhra too? Brainwashed arabized nutter.

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  • Anonymous

    All BS..What about Deganga riots? What about killing of hindus in Pak and BD after 1947?
    What about killing of hindus in Kashmir?

    You guys have no clue about anything. You simply have no clue about muslim psyche. When they are in majority, they won’t allow minority to live peacefully.

    Only idiots like you don’t read history and learn from it. When muslims come up with 9/11 conspiracy, why don’t you teach them your philosophy?

    You will get your mother, wife, daughter and grandmother raped by muslims to earn some brownie points..No wonder people like you still exist..There was Jaichand and now we have Abhinav Sharma the brahmin who will even lick feet of rulers to get some favors.

    Now shut up and shove muslim L**d up your arse.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan had 25% hindus at the time of partitions..now it has just 1.5%..All of those have been either killed or converted or pushed into India.

    During 1947, Pakistani muslims killed close to 1.5 million hindus and raped 100,000 hindu women and now BD muslims are doing the same..

    The likes of Zia and Abhinav Sharma (son of a raped women) don’t see all these atrocities. This species is evil to the core..Always indulges in propaganda..

    If you compare Mohammad with Jesus or Buddha, you will know why Islam is such a crappy religion..full of BS..

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    engrich Reply:

    befor partition indian punjab was musim majority.now hardly u find any muslim there except malekotla.during partition 2 millions muslims too were killed.even after partition on 6th november 1947 250000 muslims weree mascared by rss and raja of kasmir.
    if u dont like islam dont follow.nobody ask u to follow,but dont abuse otherwise ur mothsr will be in trouble.islam do not welcomes abusers like u.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Are you joking ? East Pujab never was a muslim majority. Infact the two failed baristers (Gandhi and Nehru) got the worst possible deal for India. Chittagong and Rajshahi were given to Pakistan even though they were sharply Hindu Majority districts.To add to the stupidity, the tea-growing district of Sylhet was “handed” over to Pakistan in 1949!
    USA had offered India a seat as a permanent member of the Security Council , and, guess what our beloved “chacha Nehru” refused it and pushed for China! These two ‘greats” deserve a Nobel pize for the harm they have inflicted upon the country.
    Someday, these two failed barristers should be retrospectively brought to trail for their rank stupidity

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    engrich Reply:

    gurdaspur amrtsar all were muslim majority district.indian now in indian punjab hardly u will find any muslim.bengal as whole was a liability estate.now east bengal is ahead of west bengal in every field.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @engrich, you are a taqqia #1, and because you are ever so ready to lie for anything remotely connected with that paedophiles cult, you are by that slave-merchant’s promise, certainly to be in the heaven to collect your 72 virgins, copious wines and 80,000 servants.
    Gurdaspur was not a Moslem majority district, only the Shakargarh sub-division was majority of your people, and that rightfully went to your home-land, the rest of the district remained in India.
    The Lahore district and city was overwhelmingly Hindu majority, but thanks to the sheer incompetence of our beloved “chacha Nehru” , it went to your promised home-land.
    If East Bengal is “ahead” of the west in every field, why are there so many from that side, on this side, and why are there so many students form that side on this side studying in Universities all over India.
    I love your style of biting the hand that feeds you and also offers your third-rate blatant lies a platform, while I am certain you would be so much happier on the other side. These are so many of this blog who would celebrate your moving to your “home-land”, could you please put us sanguine about this country , by assuring that would happen soon?

    engrich Reply:

    engrich, you are a taqqia #1, and because you are ever so ready to lie for anything remotely connected with that paedophiles cult, you are by that slave-merchant’s promise, certainly to be in the heaven to collect your 72 virgins, copious wines and 80,000 servants.
    u are rss man bucnch of idiots who dont know anything except abusing and spread hatred.

    hate is ur duty while lie is ur staple food.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    I admit I am an idiot, but I am certainly not an RSS supporter!I have not used any abusive language nor am I spreading hate.
    I am only quoting what you are entitled to in your after-life ,as in your scripture.
    Is truth offensive to you, then you must dump that “offensive” truth.

    engrich Reply:

    Is truth offensive to you

    this is my life why u are worried.i am happy i will fk ur mthr among 72.
    u r rss or not i dont know,but u are an idiot like any other bhadrlok.

    engrich Reply:

    punjab and bengal were muslim majority sstate.

    engrich Reply:

    72 virgins,

    i am sure ur mother will be included in those 72.

    engrich Reply:

    USA had offered India a seat as a permanent member of the Security Council

    it is lie.

  • engrich

    Ten years can be a lifetime in today’s here-and-now world. Ten years after the Gujarat violence, the state claims to have moved on. Relative peace and the engine of enterprise have taken the state into another orbit. Its Chief Minister Narendra Modi is being seen in some quarters as a potential Prime Minister, a role model of good governance. But what of those who were caught in the vortex of violence? Have they been able to move on? Have they achieved any sense of closure? Have the scars of a divided society healed?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzh4ozwotkE

    Let’s begin our journey to find some answers in the town where it all began: Godhra. For the residents of Signal Falia, a Muslim ghetto near Godhra railway junction, February 27th 2002 is a morning they will never forget. A majority of the 94 accused of burning the S6 coach of the Sabarmati Express, leading to the death of 59 Kar Sevaks, were from the dusty by-lanes of Signal Falia. Inayat Jujhara was an elderly government clerk who spent nine years in jail under POTA till he was acquitted last year. The nine years were like an eternity for him and his family who now run a small provision store in the area.

    Sixty three of the Godhra accused were acquitted last year. But for many it was a case of too little, too late. Siddiq Bakkar pushed a trolley on Godhra railway station when he was picked up and jailed. He was acquitted of all charges six years later, but by then, his life had changed. His 18-year-old son gave up his computer studies to do manual labour in the area.

    Siddiq has got his freedom. 31 others, however, were convicted by the lower court, awaiting appeal in higher courts under stringent non-bailable anti-terror laws. Naseem Medha’s husband Siraj is facing the death sentence. Raising four children, she insists her husband is innocent, but doesn’t have the resources to fight a long, legal battle. Her ten-year-old son Amir was born in 2002, months after the train burning.

    Most accounts of that day have maintained that the train burning was preceded by stone-pelting and scuffles between the Kar Sevaks and the local mobs from Signal Falia. Whether the fire was a pre-planned conspiracy or an accident has never been fully established and remains the subject of some dispute. Whatever caused the fire in the S6 coach, Signal Falia and its residents have been tarred with the brush of terror for life.

    In the gritty by-lanes of Signal Falia, the signs of an uncared neighbourhood abound. Overflowing gutters and litters everywhere. A number of the young here are unemployed. No one, they say, will give you a job if Signal Falia is your address. The anger and discontent at being edged out of Gujarat’s growth story is palpable.

    The only time the young of Signal Falia break out into a smile is when they talk cricket.

    Signal Falia’s alienation can be contrasted with the hustle and bustle in the rest of Godhra. A communally sensitive town, Godhra has always had an unofficial border that separates Hindu areas from Muslim mohallas. But after a decade of peace, most traders we meet insist that business is breaking religious boundaries. Godhra too wants to be on the growth engine with a new Ram-Rahim model of business seen as the way forward.

    But is it really possible for Godhra to bury its past when one part of the town still feels targeted and neglected after 2002? It’s a question I pose to the BJP’s Rajesh Chauhan, the president of the Godhra municipal council. “People want to forget,” he says, “including the Muslims.”

    But forgetting February 27 is easier said than done for those who really suffered. I am now in Ahmedabad, the city of my birth, where I have many happy memories. My adult memories though were shaped by what I saw on Feb 28th and the days that followed. Ten years later, I am back to revisit the very places that were torn apart by communal violence.

    In Ahmedabad, I meet up with the families of those who died in the train burning. In the Vastral suburb, we meet Prafulla Behn Soni who lost her husband Mansukh Bhai and son Jassal in the S6 fire. Aged and alone, the tears flow easily.

    At Ahmedabad’s Rabari colony, we meet Janak Panchal, who lost his cousin Shailesh and Vilas Jadhav, who lost his father Sadashiv. They are more direct: they can neither forgive nor forget.

    In the narrow streets of Shahpur’s Nagorichowk in the walled city of Ahmedabad, neighbours turned against neighbours. Small incidents of rioting were not unknown in this congested area where Hindus and Muslims live cheek by jowl. But Feb 28th was very different in its scale and intensity.

    Ten years later, there is calm on the surface. But the urban buzz here can be deceptive. The police presence is a constant reminder of the area being a tinderbox. The home of Abdul Hamid, who has a small neon sign business, was destroyed by his neighbours. Today he’s rebuilt his home, but the fear factor hasn’t left him.

    So why doesn’t he leave Nagorichowk? “Where else can we go? We don’t have money to go anywhere else,” he says.

    On the other side of the road, where the Hindu wagri community lives, the response is equally sharp. Bharat Bhai Dantani still says it’s the others who start the violence.

    A home rebuilt on one side of the road barely a few metres away from their Hindu neighbours. Divided by religion but still sharing the same physical space. The one thing that unites Hindu and Muslim in Shahpur is the desperate lack of basic facilities.

    But even Shahpur’s overflowing toilets appear tolerable when compared with what we witness in the resettlement colonies on the outskirts of the city. These colonies came up to house the poorer Muslim families who had run away from the riot hit areas. One such colony, Citizen Nagar, has been created bang next to Ahmedabad’s largest garbage dump. Large families crowded into small tenements, the living conditions are sub-human.

    Nadeem Saiyad, a carpenter, talks of the lack of facilities. “We survived being killed during the riots; now we are subject to the slow poison (of the garbage dump),” he says.

    The womenfolk of Citizen Nagar are even more forthright in telling us how they feel like second class citizens, erased from the imagery of a Vibrant Gujarat.

    Citizen Nagar has almost fallen off the map. Not so Naroda Patiya, an Ahmedabad suburb and scene of the worst massacre of 2002. 95 people lost their lives in the violence here, many of them killed by locals who they knew well. The killers still live in the immediate vicinity, but that has not stopped the likes of Shakila Bano from returning to their homes. Shakila, a seamstress, lost eight members of her family in the violence, including her mother and brother. Today, she is a key witness in the Naroda Patiya case, determined to bring the killers to justice.

    The biggest impediment to getting justice for riot victims like Shakila, says Abdul Shamshad, a young activist lawyer, is the lack of faith in the police. Post-2002, Gujarat’s police force stands totally discredited in the eyes of the minorities. “All those arrested in POTA were Muslims, be it encounter killings or other cases. There is no faith in the police,” says Shamshad.

    Many of the accused in cases like Naroda Patiya are Vishwa Hindu Parishad activists. Today, the VHP office in central Ahmedabad wears a deserted look, its leadership marginalized by its own BJP government. But the VHP’s office bearers still espouse the action-reaction theory to justify the 2002 violence.

    Ashwin Patel, general secretary of the VHP in north Gujarat, says, “The violence (of 2002) was the reaction of the Hindus, not just the VHP.”

    But beyond the trauma and antagonisms of riot-scarred areas like Naroda Patiya, there is another Gujarat – a new Ahmedabad, geographically divided with very few mixed neighbourhoods, but economically upwardly mobile. For the new generation of Amdavadis, the scent of economic opportunities has meant that they don’t want to look back at the past with anger but fast forward to the future with hope.

    I meet up with the young professionals of a knowledge process outsourcing company. Their upbeat mood symbolizes the mindset of a state in economic overdrive. They don’t want to think of the past, they just want to move ahead. They see Modi as a role model. One of them says even Hitler was targeted. They also admit there are two Ahmedabads, but that they only want rapid growth.

    In Vadodara too, one finds unmistakable signs of ambition, this time on the cricket field. The Baroda Sports Club has thrown up the Pathan brothers, Irfan and Yusuf, sons of the muezzin at the local mosque, who’ve become household names in the last decade. Their coach Mehendi Sheikh is still working overtime to create the next generation of the Pathans.

    Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the man who has dominated Gujarat’s skyline over the last decade. The Modi government’s latest buzzword is sadbhavana or harmony. But is sadbhavana anything more than just a clever slogan or simply an attempt at an image makeover by a clever chief minister in an election year?

    Meet Zakir Sacha, a former government employee, who shared a platform with the chief minister during Modi’s high profile sadbhavana yatra. He was one of the few Muslims to publicly endorse Modi. What made him do it?

    To understand what Modi needs to really do to win Muslim hearts and minds I meet Dr J S Bandukwala, a retired professor from Vadodra’s MS University. Dr Bandukwala’s house was destroyed in the riots. Today, he has a message for the Chief Minister.

    Conflicting views, contrasting emotions – how does one reconcile them? What would Gandhi have done is a question I have often asked in the last ten years. It’s a question I pose to Chunibhai Vaidya – at 95, possibly the oldest living Gandhian at the famous Sabarmati Ashram.

    Question: what would Gandhi have done about 2002?

    Vaidya: If he were to come, there would have been no 2002.

    Question: How would he have brought reconciliation?

    Vaidya: He would have looked beyond religious identity and spoken of universalism.

    In quest of an answer to what sadbhavana would really involve, I also invited Dara and Rupa Mody, a Parsi couple, to the Sabarmati Ashram. The Modys lost their teenage son Azhar in the Gulberg Society massacre. His body has not been found and their tragedy was even the subject of a Hindi film, ‘Parzania’. Over the last decade, I have kept going back to them, if only to share their grief.

    Ask them about sadbhavana and they speak of how Modi has never ever met them, and how sadbhavana has no meaning for those who lost it all.

    In the tears of the Modys, I feel I have found an answer to my quest for reconciliation in post-2002 Gujarat. Wiping the tear from every eye, be they the tears of a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or Parsi. Where a human being reaches out to fellow human beings – surely, that is the true meaning of sadhbhavna. Surely, that is the true message of Gandhi and of God. It’s a message of compassion which a new Gujarat and its leadership need to imbibe.

    –Source: IBNLIVE

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  • engrich

    every word written by auther is fact.anyone has any objection can legally challenge.

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  • RajX

    He writes only about “Muslims” and his ummah. He says that’s his job at HT. nothing wrong with that but he does have this unhealthy attitude of looking at everything through some distorted Islamic prism. He exhibits attitudes which can only be found in people who belong to cults. For example, not one word from him about the various terror attacks linked to his ummah other than talk trash about the governments which are doing something against the Islamists like the Americans.

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  • engrich

    Where is you logic when Muslims of Godhra pre planned the mass murder of Hindus. Stop your nasty ideology and think what your forefathers use to believe in.

    there was no mascare,bogey was torched by brhmnst of vhp who hate shudras and women more than muslims.bogey was reserve all reserve passangers are alive.bogey was locked by railway.how they entered is mystery.

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  • engrich

    Saving Face directed by Pakistani investigative documentary filmmaker Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy and Daniel Junge, received the prestigious Academy Award in the category: Best Documentary (Short) at the 84th Annual Academy Awards®. Here is the acceptance speech:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rvRi6skW-M&feature=youtu.be

    The category of Best Documentary (Short) was presented by Rose Byrne & Melissa McCarthy to Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy and Daniel Junge. This marks both Sharmeen and Daniel’s first ever Oscar award and was also the first Oscar to be awarded to a Pakistani in the history of the Academy Awards. Upon receiving the award, Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy thanked the Heroes of Pakistan , The Academy, her colleagues, cast and crew, fellow nominees, parents, friends and family and said “I am deeply humbled and blown away by the outpouring of support and well wishes that I have received. It is an indescribable feeling and is a dream come true! This is for all the budding filmmakers who think that their work will not be appreciated or recognized; if I can do it, so can you. Today, Pakistan was in the news for all the right reasons and I am thrilled

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  • engrich

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  • Abu Ahmed

    The Gujarat Experiment have established certain laws:
    To kill Muslims at a large scale, the BJP must be in power at all levels, starting from the district to Delhi.
    The Police must back-up and kill Muslims wherever it can.
    Later on, the civil administration must do all that it can to wipe clean evidence against prominent personalities who are culpable for the riots.
    The judicial system must move very slowly indeed, if at all some FIRs are registered and the cases are put up to the courts.
    Any medical help and insurance or governmental aid should be delayed or even refused.
    The vanquished widows, orphans and others must be denied entry into their villages and homes – that would yield precious real estate to the victors.
    However, what should be done to those who are still languishing in shelters and camps – thats still being worked out and would be known after the next elections.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @Abu, the BJP never has come to power in the centre on its own strength, so all you have stated is hypothetical , but infinitely more brutality was inflicted upon us Indians by the Slave dynasties , Shah Jahan’s rule onwards and during the reigns of the Brahamni Kings, not to forget the rule of Hyder Ali and his son Tipu Sultan. That was how your ancestor was brutalized into saving his own life to prevent the women of his family taken into slavery.
    Please read M.A. Khan’s “Slavery in India”, where the muslim chroniclers have recorded with glee the horrors inflicted and how many were put to sword and how many women and children were taken into slavery and sold at what price.. You muslims enjoy to self-flagellation and are deliberately exposing your “imagined-grief” like beggars. If things are really half as bad as you imagine, why are you not in your “home-land” that has been carved out specially for you , and where your “brother’s have completed the “holy-duty” of ridding all infidels from those “pure-lands”.

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    engrich Reply:

    hyder ali and his son tipu were great secular rulers praised even by his british enemy.in medieval ages ruler used to fight for rulership while praja was friendly.fight between people on indian soil is creation of sangh parivar.brhmnsts are sleeping cells of international zoinism on indian soil.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @engrich, it is either your utter ignorance that is screaming out or your your taqqiya tongue!
    Below are some translated personal letters sent out by Tipu Sultan , the originals are in the India Office Library wing of the London Museum: no room to hide into the old”lost in translation” excuse!

    1. Letter dated March 22, 1788 to Abdul Kadir:

    “Over 12,000 Hindus were ‘honoured’ with Islam. There were many Namboodiris (Brahmins) among them. This achievement should be widely publicised among the Hindus. There the local Hindus should be brought before you and then converted to Islam. No Namboodiri (Brahmin) should be spared. Also they should be confined there till the dress materials sent for them, reach you.”

    2. Letter dated December 14, 1788 to his Army Chief in Calicut:

    “I am sending two of my followers with Mir Hussain Ali. With their assistance, you should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 may be kept in prison and 5,000 from the rest should be killed by hanging from the tree-tops. These are my orders.”

    3. Letter dated January 18, 1790, to Syed Abdul Dulai:

    “With the grace of Prophet Muhammed and Allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only a few are still not converted on the borders of Cochin State. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as Jehad to achieve that object.”

    All these letters clearly expose the real character of Tipu Sultan. In spite of this, Kerala Muslim historian, Dr. C.K. Kareem goes to the extent of showing Tipu as a philosopher and a great Sufi, who viewed the whole cosmos as a mosque! Kareem’s “finding” was that Tipu is deliberately painted black just because those who wrote history in Kerala were the descendants of people who had to suffer hardships after his advent. His argument was that the repression represented by Tipu was not for the sake of Islam but to govern a newly-conquered territory. It is worth noting that Dr. Kareem was a scholar and secured his Ph. D from Aligarh Muslim University with a research thesis on ‘Administration of Kerala under Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan’. He has also written a number of articles absolving Mahmud Ghaznavi, Nadir Shah and Aurangzeb of their well-recorded atrocities, forcible conversions and temple-destructions in India. He believes that pious and magnanimous Muslim rulers could never do such things! A taqiyyah technique!!!

    So much for the great nationalist Tipu Sultan, and the false history trust down our throats by that failed barrister duo Nehru/Gandhi.

    engrich Reply:

    He has also written a number of articles absolving Mahmud Ghaznavi, Nadir Shah and Aurangzeb of their well-recorded atrocities, forcible conversions and temple-destructions in India. He believes that pious and magnanimous Muslim

    ashok became ruler after killing entire population of kalinga(orrisa)and hi 99 brothers.aurangzeb was very kindhearted fakir.he has to fight to maintain unity and integrity of india against sikh scavangers of north and maratha seccionist of west.he demolished glittering muslim empire of bijapur and golcunda.

    regarding ghazni.peshwas of poona always looted templ of shankaracharyas whenver in need of money.
    shivajee always looted banias of surat for same reason.

    nadir and taimur has to kill thousands of muslims before ebtering india.their main victims were muslims.

    so the this bullshit history prepared by ur bosses british can serve no purpose.

    hinduism is mother of nazism fascism and aparteism.conversion was because of that.
    read vivekanand.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    In our age, the scandals and crimes of M0hammad and his early bandits are all over the internet. All of M0hammad’s crimes are readily available for anyone with internet access 24/7. Did you read how Muhammad’s thugs killed that old and respected lady amongst her people; Um Qirfa? Did you read how M0hammad annihilated a whole tribe (Bani Qurayza) in one day? That criminal beheaded between 600 to 800 men, then raped the wife of their leader that very day. Did you know how the decision to kill young lads was made? They checked who grew pubic hair. The one who had some pubic hair showing, even if he was just a child of 11 or 12 years old, got killed that day. Muslim apologetics, like yourself try to find reasons to justify M0hammad’s crimes. How can any decent human being defend M0hammad and the early Muslims when it comes to the Bani Qurayza massacre? You Muslims have no shame, else you would have left that evil cult called Islam.

    How can you believe in “Jizya” ? Do you have no shame in asking other people to pay a different kind of tax just because they believe different? Do you have no shame in believing that apostates should be killed? Right now in Iran, a Christian pastor named Youcef Nadarkhani is fighting for his life because your evil court system delivered an execution judgement against him. All he did is become a Christian. He stopped following a gangster like M0hammad and followed a decent human being. You people should be ashamed of yourselves really, but shame does not exist in the lexicon of the Islamic nutihead, who is made brain-dead right from birth adn trained to be a taqqiya.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Sumit,

    Completely true.

    Fountainhead of all these evils of Muslims/Islam is Mohammed. But it makes a very fascinating ( though very tragic) study how a totally Perverted man developed a Pervert system and it has survived and prospered for 1400 years. It proves humans individually and as communities ,who have potential to rise to great heights can also fall to greater depths. This Engrich speaks from the same stinking Depths created by Islam

    engrich Reply:

    islamic system is most perfect and peaceful system that is why u people attack personalities not on system.
    hindu(brhmncl)system is mother of rascism apartheism and fascism.

    engrich Reply:

    bullshit and propaganda.u hindus high caste(enslaved india for thousands of years.,as per hindu scripture,
    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR
    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.
    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).
    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).
    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:
    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).
    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).
    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).
    There are seven varieties of sudras:
    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).
    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).
    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).
    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)
    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).
    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).
    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).
    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).
    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).
    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).
    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).
    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).
    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).
    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).
    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281

    this is how u had been treating indians.
    as per mn roy indians got justice only during muslim rule.

    engrich Reply:

    How can you believe in “Jizya” ? Do you have no shame in asking other people to pay a different kind of tax just because they believe different

    hindu religion is only dharam which says that man is born unequal.islam stands for egalitarinis.all are equal irrespective of caste and colour.

    regarding jaziya.please that brhmns rajput and muslims were exempted as they were contributing in war efforts to save common people.common man was paying for their security.

    britishers and thaeir a$$ lickers are using this to propagate hatred agaist moghul rulers who made india.
    u kayasth were responsible for poverty of bengal.

    engrich Reply:

    sumit bose dont forget ur fore afthers were *** lickers and boot polishers of british empires and were backing britishers who killed half the population of bengal bihar and assam in first fifty years of their rule.
    u all were terrorist racialists u high caste are 15%.take 15%of india and **** off.u are problem for everybody.
    u came from central asia go back there or america ur fatherland.u dont deserve to be in india.

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    engrich Reply:

    great 100%correct.

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  • engrich

    sumit bose the following is true history of bengal,

    THE MENACE OF HINDU FASCISM
    Dr. W.C. Deb
    Eminent Hindu leader of Bengal
    Says the three “eminent” Congress leaders — Lal, Bal, Pal — engineered partition of India. Hindu terrorist Savarkar’s call to “Hinduise politics and militarise Hinduism” inflicted so much violence on Muslims.
    Calcutta University was a Hindu fortress. Most Hindus in every village were richer than the richest Muslim. Not a single Muslim had cultivable land in my village. In the 80s, Hindu communalism transformed into Hindu fascism.
    It was the Muslim invaders who gave us the name “Hindu”. Savarkar formulated the “two-nation theory” much before Jinnah. The worst anti-Muslim culprit was Bankim Chandra Chatterji, a Bengali Brahmin, the author of Vande Mataram. Muslims never observed untouchability. That is how Dalits opted for Islam in a big way and got liberated.
    Muslim rulers Indianised themselves. Dalits fought Brahmins and when defeated embraced Budhism and fought them again after becoming Muslims. Bengali Muslims are mostly Dalit converts. Even Swami Vivekananda said “Islam was a great blessing and liberated the oppressed”. Upper castes partitioned Bengal. Gandhi was a cunning fox” and “a Hindu revivalist”.
    “Babri Masjid” was a Hindu conspiracy.
    Muslims are too poor to be polygamous but Bengali Brahmins were polygamous.
    Though an upper caste Hindu (Kayasth), Deb is very critical of Gandhi, Nehru, and all the Bengali upper castes. On the Babri Masjid, he says it was a Brahmin-instigated conspiracy as old as 1885. He quotes L.K. Advani, the villain who demolished the Masjid: “The Congress wanted the demolition and they had it done by us”.

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  • Anonymous

    Hehe. That is your basic problem – thinking that this random statistic of “75%” represents the Indians in the country.

    And if you think prosperity can compensate for justice, I am sorry, but you are badly mistaken. You just cannot see that as computer literate ToI commenting citizens, you are one of the privilege class of citizens who is getting all the prosperity.

    You don’t care if the 24×7 uninterrupted supply of electricity that you get in this advanced and prosperous state of yours, comes at the expense of drowning out the livelihoods or poisoning the bodies of lesser privileged countrymen.

    You don’t care if the peace you see around is got by illegally killing of your own state people by the police. You don’t care if the “astonishing development” of industries have happened by pawning off land as low prices from poor vilagers and given at a pittance to large industrial conglomerates like Adanis.

    As long as you selfishly keep defending your personal prosperity and the sham peace nobody can save you. You don’t deserve the democracy you think you have got.

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t care much about their lies either. But just as they seem to have already been found guilty, as you say, you also seemed to have already reached the conclusion that Modi has not done anything wrong ever, without having a fraction of the data these activists have actually got by being there in person at the affected places. You are merely sitting in comfort of your home, spouting out all your biases, without doing a fraction of the work these people have done.

    But I don’t blame you. All use armchair opinionists are guilty of the same thing. :)

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  • engrich

    Godhra pre planned the mass murder of Hindus

    can u give me the list o those died.or what compensation they got.

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  • engrich

    ur abuses will not change the truth.killer modi is hindu harday samrat,why.

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  • RajX

    Quoting what happens to Hindus in Pakistan is to expose the hypocrisy of Islamists. They want special priviledges when they are in a minority but wouldn’t even treat nonmuslims as even equals or even let them alone (murders, forced conversions,rapes)when they are in a majority like in Kashmir or Pakistan or just take your pick of any Islamic country. When someone is talking about gujrat and they talk only about Muslims being killed and ignore Indians being killed there, they are obviosly indulging in propaganda. If you are singing that same tune, you are a traitor and an Islamist too. Cultism where the center of gravity of the cult is not inside India but in some other place is a danger to this county since that cultism will manifest itself in communal and traitorous ways.

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  • RajX

    The arab cult has historically seen humane behaviour as a human weakness. So what you are suggesting is to turn the other cheek like Jesus supposedly said to the Arab cultists. You are suicidal if you are really a “abhinav sharma” or deceitful if you are practicing taqiyya here.

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  • engrich

    aaloke and bose,

    If the rulers are genuinely interested in the well-being of its own population will it divert such huge funds for border defence?
    Aryan rulers hate Bahujans and to punish them they play such war games.
    The only thing that guides and directs the Indian upper caste rulers is hate. They hate the over 85% oppressed, starving Indians and that is why to keep them permanently under slavery they are not solving the border disputes.
    In other words there is no chance of a border settlement with China.
    WANTED MORE BOMBS
    The Hindu rulers have just pushed through a nuclear deal with US which the observers see as a sign of America trying to use India against China. India became a nuclear power to fight Pakistan. Now it wants more bombs and more powerful ones to face the super power China. That means more money will be diverted to buy bombs.
    BRAHMINISTS GAIN IN EVERY WAR
    Look at the American hypocrisy. It is against Iran going nuclear but it is giving all-out help to further enhance the capabilities of the already nuclear power (India).
    The hate-mongering Jews, after enslaving the White Western Christians, forced the West to attack Islam. Iraq and Afghanistan are pounded. But the West did not win — rather defeated. Their next target is said to be China for which they are using India’s Brahminical rulers.
    Having been once defeated, is it ready to face China, now a super power? The Aryan rulers are not bothered.
    If there is a war with China or Pakistan those who die in battlefield are our people. The money meant for us will be spent. Both ways the Brahminists stand to gain.
    China is fully aware of all these developments and that is why it has encircled the whole of India. All the countries surrounding India have become closest allies of China after Hindu rulers quarrelled with every neighbour.
    ITCHING FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH PAKISTAN
    Pakistan and “Hindu India” had several wars and Indian rulers are itching for another war. “Hate Muslim” campaign is at its height in India.
    Brahminical terrorism led by the Abhinav Bharat is preparing the ground with Israeli funds and weapons.
    But China has assured full support. It has become Pakistan’s biggest supplier of defence hardware and fighter planes and guided missiles. And even bomb.
    As long as Brahminical rulers continue to hold India’s neck, the Bahujans will be kept at starvation level with war and violence against neighbours always exploding on our face.
    But when will the Bahujans wake up? When will they understand the Brahminist game to keep us enslaved? No answer

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  • engrich

    aaloke and bose and all other this is what vivekanand says about islam,

    स्वामी विवेकानंद के शब्दो में

    स्वामी विवेकानंद (विश्व-विख्यात धर्मविद्)

    ‘‘…मुहम्मद (इन्सानी) बराबरी, इन्सानी भाईचारे और तमाम मुसलमानों के भाईचारे के पैग़म्बर थे। …जैसे ही कोई व्यक्ति इस्लाम स्वीकार करता है पूरा इस्लाम बिना किसी भेदभाव के उसका खुली बाहों से स्वागत करता है, जबकि कोई दूसरा धर्म ऐसा नहीं करता। …हमारा अनुभव है कि यदि किसी धर्म के अनुयायियों ने इस (इन्सानी) बराबरी को दिन-प्रतिदिन के जीवन में व्यावहारिक स्तर पर बरता है तो वे इस्लाम और सिर्फ़ इस्लाम के अनुयायी हैं। …मुहम्मद ने अपने जीवन-आचरण से यह बात सिद्ध कर दी कि मुसलमानों में भरपूर बराबरी और भाईचारा है। यहाँ वर्ण, नस्ल, रंग या लिंग (के भेद) का कोई प्रश्न ही नहीं। …इसलिए हमारा पक्का विश्वास है कि व्यावहारिक इस्लाम की मदद लिए बिना वेदांती सिद्धांत—चाहे वे कितने ही उत्तम और अद्भुत हों—विशाल मानव-जाति के लिए मूल्यहीन (वॅल्यूलेस) हैं…।’’—‘टीचिंग्स ऑफ विवेकानंद, पृष्ठ-214, 215, 217, 218)अद्वैत आश्रम, कोलकाता-2004
    स्नेह और सहिष्णुता के प्रचारक स्वामी विवेकानन्द कहते हैं ‘‘पैग़म्बर मुहम्मद सल्लल्लाहु अ़लैहि वसल्लम संसार मे समानता के संदेशवाहक थे। वे मानवजाति में स्नेह और सहिष्णुता के प्रचारक थे। उनके धर्म में जाति-बिरादरी, समूह, नस्ल आदि का कोई स्थान नहीं है।’’
    स्वामी विवेकानन्द इस्लाम के बड़े प्रशंसक और इसके भाईचारा के सिद्धांत से अभिभूत थे। वेदान्ती मस्तिष्क और इस्लामी शरीर को वह भारत की मुक्ति का मार्ग मानते थे। अल्मोड़ा से दिनांक 10 जून 1898 को अपने एक मित्र नैनीताल के मुहम्मद सरफ़राज़ हुसैन को भेजे पत्र में उन्���ोंने लिखा ��ि
    ‘‘���पने अनुभव से हमने यह जाना है कि व्यावहारि��� दैनिक जीवन के स्तर पर यदि किसी धर्म के अनुयायियों ने समानता के सिद्धांत को प्रशंसनीय मात्र में अपनाया है तो वह केवल इस्लाम है। इस्लाम समस्त मनुष्य जाति को एक समान देखता और बर्ताव करता है। यही अद्वैत है। इसलिए हमारा यह विश्वास है कि व्यावहारिक इस्लाम की सहायता के बिना, अद्वैत का सिद्धांत चाहे वह कितना ही उत्तम और चमत्कारी हो विशाल मानव-समाज के लए बिल्कुल अर्थहीन है।’’विवेकानन्द साहित्य, जिल्द 5, पेज 415
    स्वामी जी ने स्पष्ट शब्दों में कहा है कि
    ‘‘भारत में इस्लाम की ओर धर्म परिवर्तन तलवार (बल प्रयोग) या धोखाधड़ी या भौतिक साधन देकर नहीं हुआ था।’’विवेकानन्द साहित्य, जिल्द 8, पेज 330

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  • engrich

    aaloke and bose,

    dont forget that brhmnsm(hinduism)is the only religion where man is born unequal.so every hindu hate&cheat other.this is the root of our poverty.

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