Coalitions of corruption



The DMK’s A Raja’s belated exit from the Union Cabinet had me counting the number of Congressmen removed from positions of authority after the UPA captured power in 2004. A quick count subject to correction showed that half a dozen bigwigs have been forced into relative political wilderness.

The list includes Natwar Singh, Jagdish Tytler, Shashi Tharoor, Suresh Kalmadi and Vilasrao Deshmukh and Ashok Chavan, both former chief ministers of Maharashtra. Deshmukh was made accountable in the aftermath of Mumbai’s 26/11 when he accompanied a filmmaker to the devastated Taj hotel.

The six years of the A B Vajpayee regime were also not without their share of controversies and allegations of sleaze. While he himself showed the door to Buta Singh, then a Union minister, the veteran BJP leader was as helpless as Dr Manmohan Singh at times finds himself, in the face of the Tehelka scam, the Gujarat riots, the Shivani murder case and the petrol pump scam in which many Kargil martyrs were allegedly duped. In a way, it was the NDA’s version of the Adarsh housing fraud.

The Tehelka episode was about slush money in defence deals in response to which George Fernandes made a big show of accountability by announcing his resignation in a televised address. But he embarrassed Vajpayee deeply by gate crashing his way back into the Cabinet even before the Commission that probed the charges could finish its work.

The Shivani case had the late Pramod Mahajan at the receiving end and the Gujarat carnage—as is well known—prompted countless human rights/civil society outfits to ask whether it was spontaneous communal conflagration or a pogrom overseen by the Modi government and its backers in the Sangh.

Sticklers for propriety were most upset by the fact that Modi and Mahajan made no pretence of resigning, leave alone actually demitting office. A dramatic prime ministerial announcement was used to put a lid on the petrol pump scam.

Without meaning to argue that “two wrongs make a right” or that the UPA is a paragon of virtues, I cannot but help mentioning the BJP’s cavalier response to the un-edifying events in Karnataka where a mining mafia could humiliate a chief minister who’s now facing charges of land grab.

All this leads to one conclusion: political parties must sit down and draw up a code of conduct to check corruption in public life. Those accused of corruption while holding public office must immediately step down in the interest of a fair probe.

A minister, chief minister, prime minister or a judge or a bureaucrat shouldn’t just be fair. He must also come across as fair in popular perception.

The worst offenders in such matters have been the regional parties. Like the DMK that embarrassed Singh by delaying Raja’s exit, the Shiv Sena’s Bal Thackeray had slighted Vajpayee by asking him to sack Suresh Prabhu—a clean an efficient Shiv Sena minister who had fallen foul with his party boss.

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  • ishwar

    Dear Mr. Sharma,

    Nice article.

    Just wondering about the list below:
    A minister, chief minister, prime minister or a judge or a bureaucrat …

    Where do you fit the UPA chairperson – the de-facto PM?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Ishwar
    Everybody in public life has to be accountable

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    farid Reply:

    ———EXCEPT ME–

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  • Rajiv

    So is the DMK minister going to be arrested and prosecuted for stealing public money or the Congress just thinks that punishment for stealing public money is just a resignation ?

    It looks like the protectors and benefactors of the corrupt wish to be congratulated for just a resignation !!!!!

    On a separate note, there is a most detailed analysis of Pakistan sponsored and organized terrorist attack on Mumbai in today’s Washington Post. Its a gripping account and a must read for those who follow Indo-Pak affairs.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/14/AR2010111404515.html

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Talk about the topic under discussions

    Any way I sure you have seen the impressive General Colin Powell famous speech at the UN against Iraq and its WMD. What a bunch of lies that was, and they managed to destroy that country and kill more than 300,000 Iraqis in the process.

    Same guys are selling the same kind BS proof, and ofcourse you will believe it.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    By the same token does I-r-a-q and WMD fall under the topic of discussion?

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    Azhar ,

    Baba thum yahaan bhi aa gaya??

    This is about India and how it is going to clean up corruption…

    Why don’t you go to a Pakistani site to do the same… and dont come back as Mumtaz Mir .. :D

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vinodji,
    You have been very eager to talk about BJP’s scam to somehow deflect attention from Congress corruption. If BJP led NDA was corrupt, does that mean we should allow UPA to loot this country at will? The people expected BJP to be better than congress but it turned out to be another congress in the making. The real reason behind BJP defeat is that people lost their faith in BJP totally and at the same time all minorities especially large % of muslims and xtians voted for Congress.
    In the case of BJP, I feel it is a party that does not know how to behave when in power. This party is better as opposition.. The BJP in power is like “Kutte ko Ghee hazam nahi hota”.

    As far as congress is concerned, it is mother of corruption in India and it is solely responsible for institutionalizing corruption in all walks of life. There were scams during Nehru’s regime followed by bigger scams during Indira’s then Bofors chor Rajiv came and sullied PM office for good. This was real start point of corruption in India. The bofors scam was of 64 crores (Mr.Q close to Sonia was one of the beneficiary) and today we are looking at Rs.176,000 crores scam. To say that Congress and high command ;) are not beneficiaries of these scams will be very NAIVE..

    Now it is coming out that Rahul Gandhi’s close aides are involved with CWG scam so we can infer that Rahul Gandhi too is involved in CWG scam. No wonder it took them so much time to SIDELINE small fry like Kalmadi. I am say with 100% confidence that Chavan, Kalmadi, Tharoor and Raja will never be prosecuted..infact they may come back as some minister by the end of 2011. This is congress way of fighting corruption.

    Why is Sonia Gandhi so eager on getting Bofors case closed? Why did her slave Bharadwaj personally visited foreign country to defreeze Mr.Q’s accounts? Why is media not questioning Sonia Gandhi’s intentions?

    The problem with India media is that it has functioned under 50 years of congress rule and have develoved vested interest in keeping Congress in power. This is the exact reason you see journalists like Vinod Sharma/Mehta/rajdeep/barkha/Gupta/Prannoy Roy so passionately defending first family of congress. Our media is as guilty as congress (and BJP) of PROMOTING culture of corruption.

    I wholeheartedly condemn BJP’s corruption as I don’t want Vinod Sharma to have any heartburns.

    By Mr.Sharma’s logic one can defend any genocide citing genocide by nazis…This is really sad standard of journalism in India.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    You must again read what I have written. It seems you have devised your points without carefully reading the blog.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    You have chose to ignore points raised by me. I have read your blog carefully and found that you are trying to defend congress by highlighting BJP scams.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Sharmaji,
    I’d like to know your views on VIOLENT congress protests out RSS office. DO you approve congress’s violent tactics? Now don’t say even Shiv Sena does it, BJP does it and so and so.

    When Shiv Sena and BJP do any such things, they are lambasted in media for weeks..infact many journalists loose their voice but when it comes to condemning congress violence, journalist go on MUTE…What’s the problem with you guys? Is it fear of congress or money power of congress? Let us know why you are not so vocal about congressi gundagardi? We expect congress to be far better than lowly Shiv Sena and BJP.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    I am still waiting for your response on Congressi Gundagardi.

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  • http://nil manohar david

    With the rise of regional powers the central Govt becomes a mute spectator be it the Govt of NPA or UPA!!Regional leaders always played leading role even during Nehru time ,but they are all Congress men with the final say is by DELHI. but with the rise of Regional Parties and semiregional caste and business groups Delhi cannot dictate terms unless the pressure and the heat is enormous. Press and blogs have a big say in creating this pressure group.The building of the nation is very vital in a growing economy and corruption free country is not just a desire but a priority in India.

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  • vijay kumar

    The real issue is quick action and punishment as a beginning. Unfortunately political parties in India are more into you-are- worse- than- me- syndrome.

    Very disheartening.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @vinod
    @vijay
    Vinodji, you have again resorted to subterfuge. Instead of analysing present case of Raja, you highlighted BJP corruption. Your partiality is now established but even then, there is a limit which a journalist should not cross, otherwise it becomes yellow journalism. You will never reach heights of Chelapati rao, sharda prasad, karanjia etc. though first 2 were favorite of congress, they were respected by every one and even congress never took them for granted and were careful for any transgression, least they earn these journalist’s opprobrium.
    I am against corruption in any form, particularly, corruption involving public money, where ministers are only custodians of this money. These scandals are not misjudgement but clever schemes, where money has been siphoned off. Corruption with BJP or Congress or for that matter by any party is unforgivable and should be punished quickly to restore public trust.

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  • Anil

    Sonia’s pantyliner speaks again…. this guy is epitome of sell-out journalism..

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  • JAM

    I have a solution for solving corruption problem in India.How about arresting every single politicians in India and lock them up and throw the keys away.

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    farid Reply:

    —–new politicians will come up and they will do what the present——– doing —

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  • Johnson Thomas K

    Silence about corruption is complicity in corruption Mr.Tata !!! You forfeited your right to complain the moment you decided to keep quiet about it. What about the bureaucratic corruption in India. This is the biggest per capita corruption in India which stretches to every village, every government office, every police station, every traffic signal, every civil supplies office, every ration shop, every government school, college, university, institution, organisation. When I was an advocating practising at the Supreme Court of India, the Supreme Court Bureaucracy too demanded money to accept petitions, list them and complete the formalities.

    Corruption is a Rule of Law Problem in India just like it is anywhere else. It is a perversion of the course of justice, it is a gross violation of the liberty, right to justice, equality and right against discrimination, bullying, harassment and persecution. Why are not the Indian lawyers speaking about it in that language? Why is not the Supreme Court hauling up the union and state secretaries for the ministries of Home and Law at the Centre and the states for this gross abuse of human rights and democratic rights of the peoples of India? This is the billion dollar question- my dear India and Indians please don’t go by what the misguided academicians and journalists say about corruption without acknowledging these fundamentals!!!

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    You are absolutely corect. It is the bureaucracy that is corrupt to the core. In fact bureaucracy teaches politiicans to eb corrupt. In this Tcom scandal, I bet that the share bureaucracy has is 5 times wht the minister took.

    In our system, an IAS guy cannot be fired wvwn by the minister. In the whole 60 years of IAS, I will say that only 5 IAS guys have been fired. The peer committee decides the fate, not the minister in charge.

    So the system is rigged. At least an IPS guy may get killed in a riot. What risk does an IAS guy have – fear of job??/hahahah

    The bureaucracy coupled with British era rules (inspector for this and inspector for that ) have made the country corrupt to the core.

    Even departmenst one would think cannot be corrupt ebcause there is no obvious connections to sources of corruption, like Postal System , is corrupt ebcause of some stupid British era rules. For example, the Post Master general of Mumbai was found having 800 crores of saving (???) , Apparently any high rise building coming in certain square mile limits have to obtain the Post master general’sof Mumbai’s approval. . Figure it out!

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  • Dipankar

    We Indian’s are a corrupt nation ………
    Why blame the Politicians, did we not elect them?
    Just show me in which organization there is no corruption?
    Government Departments? Public sector? Private sector? Private enterprise? Defense? Railways? Telecoms? Banks?
    Are Indians not running these enterprises? Our morality is NIL.
    Our children are learning corruption from their Parents, Teachers, Friends and and well wishers from an early age.
    WHO CAN DENY THIS FACT.
    WE INDIANS ARE CORRUPT ……………… PERIOD…………..Any one got anything to say about this…………
    WE ARE HYPOCRITES

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    JAM Reply:

    I have a solution for solving corruption problem in India.How about arresting every single politicians and every Indians in India and lock them up and throw the keys away

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  • ramesh

    SHARMA JI ,AT YOUR AGE WRITE SOMETHING BETTER. I PITY YOU. EVEN IN TV DEBATES THE MOMENT YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH ,IT ALWAYS REMIND OF COURT JESTERS A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE WITH TONY CURTIS.
    FOR HEAVENS SAKE ,ACT ,IF YOU HAVE STILL SOME CONSCIOUS LEFT.

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  • shikha

    Dear Vinod,

    You could have focussed on the UPA corruption but you were worried that it would show UPA in a poorer light when compared to BJP.. And hence your rant continues on BJP. But everytime you discuss fundamentalism, you do everything to restrict it to BJP, don’t you?? Rarely anyone in media remains so much obsessed with the opposition when the ruling party demonstrates deep rooted involvement in corruption. My daughter goes to 3rd grade and has extra ordinary writing skills and might take up journalism when she grows up. Today I would show your piece to her to explain her what not to do as a good journalist !!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Shikha,
    I really wish your daughter well and hope she becomes a better journalist than I am or could ever be. But just a word of caution: show her my comments with your responses and then let her come to her own conclusions rather than forcing your views on her. Fair?

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  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    If a list is drawn of corruption cases on Congress Ministers since independence, an ‘Encyclopedia on Corruption’ could be in making. Congress ruled India for over 60 years. If there is corruption in India then which party holds the maximum responsibility? It is disappointing that for every ill in India political commentators invariably bring in BJP, when it ruled for effectively only 6 years out of 67 years. The country is smarting from the numerous scams of extreme magnitude, it makes no sense to talk about BJP at this point.

    The BJP doesn’t deserve to be in power, however for pointless bashing of BJP, when media should be taking government severely at task, the media is really creating sympathy for the BJP. BJP must be smiling by the prospects media itself is creating to bring it back in power.

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    shikha Reply:

    Kushagra,

    The author is not going to attack UPA. Look at his first paragraph. How evasive he is.. Frankly his own integrity and independence as a journalist is in question. I have been reading his blogs for quite some time. It is not by accident that he devotes most of the column ridiculing BJP. He probably wants to remain in the good books of the corrupt Gandhi family. I personally admire young bloggers like Chetan Bhagat more. He can dare to take upon the powerful . BJP is no saint . But it is not the job of a journalist to protect a govt for the fear that opposition may come into power. Mr.Sharma’s ways are extremely undemocratic and unethical. I feel ashamed!!

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Shikha – You have raised some pertinent points, to which I agree.

    While certainly BJP’s house is not in order and Congress belongs to relatively decent brand of politics compared to likes of BJP, Shiv Sena, therefore a little affinity towards it from media is understandable.

    However, in this instance the author has given an impression as if its mandatory to give a dose of BJP bashing before, if at all one needs to crticise Congress. It seems one must only criticise Congress’s sins when simultaneoulsy BJP is condemned, irrespective of whether it is warranted or not.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Shikha, I do agree to most of your points, except for the questions you have raised on Sharmaji’s integrity.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shikha
    Also show your daughter the comments you have made on my integrity with the question whether it is fair to brand somebody as a stooge just because his views suit those of a party particular? If anything you should be ashamed of passing value judgement on somebody you have never met or interacted face-to-face.
    Abuse is no argument, insinuation is even worse. Let us keep this debate civil.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    The 99% people on this blog can not be wrong…Think about it.
    How about taking a survey to find out how neutral you are?

    Ankit Reply:

    Shikha, if you have a daughter and you show her your comments I am quite sure she will not find anything that is abusive. You should actually be proud of pointing out the moral corruption of people like Mr. Sharma who are fronting for their political party while trying to hide under the garb of journalism.

    The fact is that the people like Sharma think they are too smart and that everyone reading newspapers is just dumb like a dumbbell. So he goes on bringing things that happened more than 10 years to try to bring spotlight on the opposition party and hence move people’s attention from the loot that his own party is performing. We understand your modus operandi Mr. Sharma, do not try to insult the intelligence of Indians.

    shikha Reply:

    Mr. Sharma,
    Where did I abuse you? I called your writing dishonest. I do not need to meet you. I have not met Mr. Raja and yet I know he is corrupt. I have to judge people by their actions. Actually let me clarify if that helps. I did not call you dishonest because you favor Congress. I am a big time admirer of Rajiv Gandhi myself. .The anti defection bill is actually his creation. Your attempt to protect wrong doers in the party time and again is pathetic. I am extremely offended by your language “please keep this debate civil” . Calling your writing dishonest is uncivilized? No one in this world has ever called me uncivilized. Are you serious?? My daughter in her second grade spoke in the class that she does not support Sarah Palin because she is dishonest and is not well informed. Now is that being abusive?? Her class teacher does not think so. By the same measure she also questions the capabilities and qualifications of Sonia Gandhi. What is wrong in that?? Today’s generations are not awed by feudalism. They love merit and look for the same in their leaders. And I do not insinuate. I outrightly called your writing dishonest. Your writings may be OK for a private living room discussion. But as a journalist you have to rise above petty party affiliations.
    I have always said BJP is no saint. But remember it has the mandate to be in the opposition. It is the duty of every one in the opposition to keep the ruling party under check. Should the congress party in Gujarat not question the massacre of the innocents in the riots just because the party itself was party to Sikh riots? Is that what you’re suggesting?? Obama is highly respected world wide. Yet if the economy is not functioning well fingers are pointed at him (despite theb fact that he did not create the mess). If things go wrong in India fingers shall be pointed at the PM and Sonia Gandhi. And yes , as a responsible mom I have no issues if my daughter reads the conversations between you and me. And she is sure to take exceptions at the remarks you’ve made against me.

  • M.V.Muthu

    Although it is the prerogative of the PM to pick and choose his ministers, it might be desirable to announce a panel of individuals from who the ministry would be formed prior to elections by every party coalitions, should they win the elections and come to power. The detailed background of such individuals along with the rationale behind the prosed allocation should also be made public. This should be made mandatory. It appears that in US, there is an elaborate system for choosing Secretaries (equivalent to our ministers) to various portfolios and as far as possible / feasible, we could also try to emulate the same.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shikha
    You call my writings dishonest because I recalled past incidents involving the BJP and the NDA. Well, that is your relative truth that I certainly do no share. I also don’t share your assessment of my integrity because I am pretty high in my self-esteem. I am regarded highly by my peers despite my views with which many do not agree— and many do.
    I don’t need a certificate from you. But for your information, I bought my first car in 2000 after riding around for years on a scooter—- even while I was deputy chief of bureau of HT and most of my juniors owned cars.
    It is my conviction that the BJP — with its exclusivist and communal agenda— is not the party that should decide the future of India. I have streadfastly held this view and most BJP leaders know that. I was as critical of them when they were in power for six years. At the same time, I supported Advani when he called Jinnah secular. I backed wholeheartedly AB Vajpayee’s peace efforts with Pakistan— not to mention the total devotion I had for him for his stand against the 1984 riots that left his party with just 2 seats in Parliament. The BJP removed him as president after that but in my perception he remains pretty high.
    It is obvious that you failed to catch the essence of the blog because you read it with a pre-dilection and a certain bias against its writer. How can you find fault with me when I make a case for an agreed political code to tackle corruption that is all pervasive and not limited to any one party. Just to refresh your memory, Shibu Soren is now with the BJP in Jharkhand. Sukh Ram supported them in Himachal and at the Centre after being caught with huge cash as a Congress minister.
    I am startled really by your misplaced arrogance and your lack of fairplay. The way you pitched your daughter into this discussion was also quite disappointing.
    You’d do well if you let her form her own worldview. ]
    best regards

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shikha
    Also don’t be surprised if the BJP embraces the DMK if it walks out of the UPA.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Sir , talking of Embraces , how could Congress embrace Shanker Singh Vaghela, Sanjay Nirupam, Baba Saheb Vilkhe Patil, Narayan Rane , Sanjay Singh not to talk of the sundry state level leaders with die hard “communal background”. Getting into politicall alliances with DMK which praised the LTTE. How did the UPA come into being when almost all constituents had fought elections opposed to each other when they sought votes from the voters.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    Sir
    Has there been any instance before when the PM of the country has been reprimanded by the apex court for any inaction? The importance of this reprimand is indicated as this being the headlines in all the newspapers to-day. . I believe this comment from the supreme court would shake our very gentle PM . He may even rue this coalition govt. for having put him in spot. But he has to blame only himself for this muddle. Is he required to respond or what is course open to him now? or can he ignore it altogether ?In any case, it is not a happy situation to be in.
    Thanks
    BNA

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BNA
    Yes, of course, it is not a happy situation to be in. The Supreme Court has given two days for responding to its query. From what I gather, the government is likely to point out to the Court that
    the three month deadline it had set (for responding to prosecution requests) in the Hawala case does not apply to 2G scam.The reason: the CBI had completed its probe in the Hawala case while the Court heard the matter and in the instant scam, the CBI inquiry is still on. That is why the PM termed Subramaniam Swamy’s plea for clearance to prosecute Raja as premature.
    That is a technical/legal point. The fact however is that the PM did not want to take Raja in UPA 2 but has to bow to Karunanidhi’s wishes. He also wanted to drop him from his Cabinet in June but gave in again to the DMK’s pressure tactics. A clear case of ommission this under compulsions of coalition.

    Rajeev Reply:

    So PM is innocent..He allowed loot to happen but he is honest..Kya baat hai..Choron ke Sardar honest hein..

    Rajiv Reply:

    Vijay Wrore
    “Comstech, Pakistan’s highest science body seriously belives that the floods were triggered by soundwaves unleashed by the USA and IsreAL !! ::D

    Don’t believe me??

    This has been written by Pevez Hodbhoy in OUTLOOK India. Pervez himself is worried on the depths Pakistani science has plunged!!

    Why did Pakistan’s best minds not include India in that conspiracy theory ?
    I feel let down !!!

    Bye the way : Pakistani physicist Paveez Hoodboy is a Hindu-Zionist-Parsee-Christian agent out to defame Pakistani science.

    farid Reply:

    Politicians in our country–Bangladesh say,
    ———— National Interest————- first
    ———— party Interest—————– second ,
    ———–Personal Interest————- last ,

    Politicians do—————look after————
    ———– Personal interest————-first,
    ———- Party Interest —————– second,
    ———-National Interest————–last,
    because–we people are fool,we believe them,have little options and vote them to lead us.

    shikha Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma

    Where did you see me defending BJP?? Of course I shall not be surprised if the party enters into coalition with DMK or AIADMK, aren’t there serious corrupt charges against either of them? Do you want me to go through the list of corruptions Congress has engaged in ? It cannot be covered in the small space, I don’t need to really. Your attempt to defend anyone who stands against BJP is dangerous. Why are all of your responses so obsessed with BJP when I’m not heaping praises on the party. Are you not emboldening the Congress party with this kind of views? I’ve never seen a scathing criticism of the Congress high command coming from you. Is that not strange for any journalist.
    Btw I am not trying to shape the views of my child. She’s not a political activist. Children of today’s times are aware of many things in the world, not just politics. And unlike olden tiimes are very independent. They question pre established notions. The very concept of dynasty rule sounds bizarre to them.
    Lastly, I did not call you a dishonest man. Just your writings. I do not see dragging this issue of any help.

    Rajeev Reply:

    The reality is when congress embraces any leader coming from BJP or right wing parties, they suddenly become secular, honest and full of Gandhian values.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    I think Azhar Hussain is in a state of shock ever since he discovered that his gr8 gr8 gr8 grandfather was a Jew and Grandmother a HIndu!!! :D :D

    He needs shock treatment in a psychiatric ward of a hospital….:D :D :D :D

    Azhar Bhai… that is why I say love all humanity, irrespctive of religion…

    And kill the ISI, the Osama’s and piss on the grave of the Zia-ul- Haqs!! :D

  • Candor

    Bloggers should be fair in addressing the issue. Gujarat riots have nothing to do in a corruption matter. In a coalition rule, BJP still ran the govt. in a much cleaner way because the PM was a very experienced person, a statesman and not an economist only and a regent because Sonia did not take up the PM post because of criticism of her being a foreigner.

    There were irregularities but not even 1% to happening in under Congress led UPA rule.

    When DMK had demanded telecom, textiles, mining ministries, Congress should have understood their intentions. Both, T R Baalu and A Raja had corrupt record previously and yet PM buckled under DMK pressure to make him and then, did not stop him from releasing 2G spectrum licences. PM is equally indulged in corruption as he just created a scapegoat for himself by advising Telecom minister and did not instruct strongly. Who will fill the loss of 1, 76, 000 crores to the country ? Remember annual budget for rural development is Rs. 1, 83, 000 crores.

    After 2G, CWG, Adarsh, BJP deserves to rule with a absolute majority. Coalition politics is very damaging to country but politicians are able to raise regional sentiments in elections and then, bargain to fill their own coffers. People should not vote to dynasty politicians like DMK who field his full family in elections. How has Karunanidhi married for three times though Hindus are entitled to marry once ? How such person got eligibility for CM post ?

    How come Sonia Gandhi, a household lady suddenly become so powerful ? Because they are holding the key to money amassed since independence and all Congressmen are thrown some loafs to live. Why are Gandhis never raided and investigated ?

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    T.K.Shenoy Reply:

    Mr. Vinod Sharma

    My pranam to your so called “credible” journalism. which is aptly visible while you appear in TV channel discussions with the two main agendas which you stick to. 1) By hook or crook argument detach Congress and the “respectable” (by default – perpetually) madam from any liabilities despite whatever may be their offence to “aam aadmis” (after all what the hell valuable they are). 2) If at all any liabilty appears to be unshackleable, then pull the other (BJP) and list out all what you percieve as offences AS aam admis feeling (after all doen an aam admi have the guts to enter the TV studio and question your marketing of “his” view).

    Simple commonsense question to you
    If the BJP has whatsoever the hell blunders as you crow and yell from the rooftops, then why is the aam admi in several states has elected them to govern (repatedly as well)and why are those states faring better (asper the UPA s own calculation and analysis)??????? And why are they ruling that many states??????? Is nt it time that the “Delhi class” realises that their way thinking isnt the Aam admi’s thought??????

    Tail piece: Despite i being a “RADICAL” and “FEROCIOUS” right wing supporter, i still would like people like Vinod Sharma to pursue and stick to his agenda listed above. Bcos after all ideologically people like you are doing our ideological job and objective well. Napolean once said that ” the best achievement is one which is achieved through the adversary’s action”. You may get confused. But only deep thinking would reveal that what it means.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I think next non-congress govt. should seriously investigate finaces of Nehru-Gandhi family and put these parasites behind bars for good.
    Our pro-dynasty media should also be investigated for paid news corruption and severely punished.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    With Manmohan Singh having rented himself out to Mrs Sonia Gandhi and the Political Party she runs, the hirers are having a free run. They all hide behind the facade of Manmohan Singh and are making merry. How could the great economist approve such huge increases in budget outlays and place such large sums at the disposal of the Organisors of the CWG. We all know the extent of documentation and supporting evidence required to get even Rs 100/- sanctioned by the govt. How could Raja swindle the mind boggling amount with Congress standing around as an inncocent by-stander. This could happen only if the loot was being shared by the DMK with the Congress.
    The tactics for defence are the usual ones which we have seen for quite some time. Do we not know the Allocation of Business Rules or General Financial Rules which govern the functioning of the government ?

    Well bringing in the case of Late Shivani Bhatnagar to throw mud on Late Pramod Mahajan and the NDA is indeed sad. The accused in that case have been convicted and serving their sentence. It is quite deplorable as atleast some respect ought to have been shown by a journalist for Late Shivani Bhatnagar and her husband Mr Rakesh Bhatnagar who themselves were well known journalists and proboably of the same seniority as Mr Vinod Sharma.

    An exemplary display of enthusiasm to defend the Congress Party.

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    shikha Reply:

    Praveen,

    This is truely a shame for Vinod Sharma. Isn’t his actions emboldening the stand of the govt..that they know that they can get away with the loot with media men like him always ready to defend them. His actions should embarrass every citizen of India that is trying to make the govt accountable. There are people out there who risk their lives to expose the corruption against the netas and here he is detracting us from them just because in this case it is the Congress that is under the scanner. If he has some degree of self respect as a journalist, he should aplogize for the kind of **** he has written. Just a while ago I listened to Kiran Bedi. How inspirational !! And look at this piece of dishonest material.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Manmohan Singh is like Alibaba who is heading team of Chalis Chor.

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  • shashi menon

    This person called Vinod Sharma is so shameless character and wonder Hindustan Times employs jokers like him!! Hindustan Times or congress times is on to any readers guess!!

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    HPN Reply:

    You all,
    Don’t abuse him so much, for more you abuse him, more returns he gets from 10 Janpath.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    He has already been rewarded for his services..He is now a member of minorities commission who is suppose to represent HINDUS ;)

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    Shivani murder case, Gujarat riots and Tehelka are anything but corruption cases. Counterpoising them with the present cesspool of corruption to show that in the face of demands for strong prime ministerial action, Vajapayee was no better than Manmohan Singh, is rerally taking journalistic liberty with public memory. Manmohan Singh, despite all the hype about his personal integrity, has proven to be an inept, indecisive, timid and has shown himself to be a time-serving prime minister, who cannot raise his small finger against even a minor member of his cabinet without getting strictures from 10 Janpath. Vajapayee could dismiss Jayalalitha’s minister without making it a big deal.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    And, regarding the oil-for-money scandal, our media has put the lid on it as soon as it became clear that Natwar Singh was actually acting on behalf of Sonia Gandhi.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    That is what is called Congress paid journalism.
    Both Sonia and rahul are prime beneficiaries of all the scams happening under the watch of Alibaba oops Manmohan Singh.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Flash news from the PTI website

    1. Supreme Court seeks explanation from the Government as to why the Prime Minister did not act for long on the issue of granting sanction to prosecute former Telecom Minister A Raja in the 2G Spectrum allocation scam.

    2. According to the Transaction of Business Rules 1961 all proposals for Telecom Sector of value more than Rs 300 crs have to go the “Cabinet Committee on Infrastructure ” which is chaired by the PM of India. Details as under

    ” to consider and decide measures; namely, fiscal, financial,institutional and legal required to enhance investment in the infrastructure sector, including grant of requisite approvals to facilitate private sector investment in specific projects; “

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  • S khan

    Vilasrao Deshmukh, Suresh Kalmadi made accountable… ???? Just seen deshmukh telly as cabinet Minister for Heavy Industries and Kalmadi holding up Indian flag in Guanzou Asiad. Mr. Sharma are did you double checked your aticle before submission!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @S Khan
    Deshmukh was removed as Maharashtra CM after 28/11 and not for corruption. so he is now holding the lightweight charge of heavy industry. Kalmadi cannot be removed as IOA president by the govt but he has been removed as secretary of Congress Parliamentary Party.
    A good case this of you checking your own facts Mr Khan before questioning others.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    What Deshmukh did after 26/11 episode was most insensitive but we are used to journalists defending morally corrupt congressis.

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    S george Reply:

    So if Deshmukh is fired from the job, why did he got a post of Cabinet mInister. For general public, post of Cabinet minister is equal to CM of Maharashtra. Secondly why not remove Kalmadi from Congress Party and ask him to resign from IOA and Pune Loksabha MPs position. Atleast Congress could ask him to resign from IOA post and MPs position, he might refuse it.. for that.

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  • Vinay

    An year ago, when people questioned the author of this blog (Mr Sharma) about the sense of discussing a state affair (Karnataka) here, he defended it saying he is not bound by any rules for his write up. Fair. Since then he has devoted 2 blogs for accusing the BJP government of Karnataka and why Karnataka needs a presidential rule. People’s opinion may have differed with President rule, but disapproval of corruption has been unanimous.

    Now, CWG.. Adarsh.. and 2G scam.. One write up about corruption comes, where four paragraphs are devoted for condemning BJP (some acts have happened 10 years ago), one and a half paragraph for accusing DMK and a single paragraph for Congress. Author must have brought in these examples to say how each party is corrupt. But then, he could have used the same rule of thumb to point out, how Congress govt in Andhra allowed Reddy brothers for illegal mining, while accusing Karnataka govt. What are the hidden rules of the write up?

    If one had to dig the history, why stop at just 10-12 years? One can go beyond. Why only Tehelka, why not Bofors? Why just Gujarat riots, one can bring even anti Sikh riots (Modi did not resign then, which is sad. What about Rajiv?). Then one can go to Emergency rule as well. Can we stick to the corruption that is happening “now”?

    For one case (Karnataka), author wants the Governor to sack the govt. For 2G scam (which has caused revenue loss of just Rs 1.76 lakh crore), exit of one minister is sufficient. Did he eat all this alone? No probe needed? What is the basis of the presumption; If people are not sitting on ministerial seat, they are honest and no need to be probed ?

    Having said all these, I would still say it is BJP’s performance (or show of corruption) which disappoints me most. I hate this party when it tries to justify its actions by comparing it with Congress. This party has to be probed more severely and cleaned thoroughly than Congress. Reason for it is, BJP made us believe “it is different”. It brought in “expectations” to the disillusioned people 25 years ago, finally to show it is no different from Congress, when it gets power. I don’t blame Congress at all, it has always been “honest” with its image, it was always “corrupt”.

    (Todays Sharma’s blog is very similar to Azhar and Sal calling India is “also” very poor, Ram Autar stating how Hinduism “also” destroyed Jains/Buddhists. In the same lines, “… other parties are “also” corrupt”).

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @To all those who took umbrage to my arguments
    It is my conviction that we must discuss issues in perspective and with adequate backgrounding. Corruption as a phenomenon has to be dealt in a bipartisan manner as the malaise plagues our polity (and society on the whole) without many honourable exceptions.
    The ruling combine of the time indeed has greater responsibility. But when pot calls the kettle black, it has to be pointed out. That’s precisely what I have done. Is it not a fact that Messrs Shukh Ram and Shibu Soren were embraced by the BJP after being villified (and rightly so) when they were with the Congress. Is this the way to fight corruption? No, certainly not. That is why the need for an agreed code between parties to isolate the black sheep from knights in the shining armour (if there are any in politics).

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @Vindo Sharma,

    Sir, I would expect yu to be fair about what is happening now. And NOW is about the loss to me and you by Raja who owuld not have caused this colossal loss without getting anything in return.

    Wy dont you say that let us all search out Raja and see how much he made?

    And get him into jail for his deeds.

    But at the end of the day we need to keep our senses in place. It is easy to keep talking about 176000 crores of scams. But damnit, we have not been able to prosecute and punish one guy and get him into jail. Let us sart with Chavan and Raja.

    Of course the figure of 176000 crores will soon become 1700000000000000000 crores and all sort of accustaions will fly aorund, But nothing will happen. Let us limit it to actuals and punish and not cook up fanatasies alladin style.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharmaji,
    It looks like you are out of touch with reality. The reality is WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW..You can not defend congress loot by condemning BJP corruption. The BJP has been punished twice by public for their action but with pro-congress media, it is very unlikely that congress will ever be punished. All Indian media does is coverup for congress especially most corrupt Nehru-gandhis. You should not forget that Rajiv Gandhi was the father of modern corruption so one can not expect any better from his son and wife.

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    shikha Reply:

    Mr Sharma,

    I as a reader and an ordinary citizen feel deceived. If this kind of argument were to come from Manish Tiwari, it was understandable. But a journalist should stand above party politics.He represents ordinary citizens. It is extremely evident from your column that you wanted the spotlight of corruption to fall on BJP rather than the ruling party. Please reread your column again. There has to be fear in the ruling party that it can be voted out of power. Even the Supreme Court questioned PM’s role and his worrying silence. Did you raise this point in your column. Does this not bother you??
    I was reading TimesofIndia today and it selectively omitted this from its news article on Supreme Court’s response on Subramanyam Swamy’s petition against Raja. The Supreme Court says “We find it is now now more than 16 months. The sanctioning authority (Prime Minister) can say I am not not inclined to give sanction. But we find alleged inaction and silence troubling,” This piece was initially missing at TOI and now the entire news article has been deleted from the news website. A classic case of media corruption !!

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Vinod Sharmaji – I agree with you.

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Sharmaji,

    ” when pot calls the kettle black, it has to be pointed out. That’s precisely what I have done.”

    That is precisely what you did not do while criticizing BJP government for Reddy brothers actions. Anyway, my intention was not to support BJP. I have already mentioned, I feel like kicking this party when it compares itself with Congress. The voters voted this party to be different from Congress.

    I just brought in this case to dispute the neutrality of the article. But you, by bringing the topic of Shibu Soren embraced by the BJP, have again showed the balance of this article. One can counter with Lalu being part of UPA. But then, other will also start going by your route. “Other party “also”…syndrome”. I am neither a BJP politician nor gets paid by them to support them. I am just a voter and have right to vent my frustration when the party does not act according to its promises.

    I feel today MMS is standing in the place, where Vajpayee stood during Godhra riots. Vajpayee compromised. What about MMS? IF MMS is really clean.., has the guts to leave congress and float a party.. I would whole heartedly support him. But I know, it is just a day dream.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    @Dr B N Anand

    1. Do u think any action even against Raja would have been taken if the CAG Report , sections of which had been in circulation before being formally placed befor the Parliament, had not been scathing in its criticism. Now the SC has made things even more critical

    2. Also next time when Joint Strategy sessions are held where the Prosecutor , the Accused , the Regulator meet , they should also include the friendly media. The outcome shall be more effective.

    Sal Reply:

    Pervez Hoodboy works for American NGO in Islamabad though he is a professor too and he is very against Pak Nuclear weapons/program and he always says those things who goes into America’s favour bcos he gets paid for that. But still we dont call him a traitor in Pak. Sorry for Arundhati Roy.

    Rajeev Reply:

    You call Musharraf traitor..nawaz traitor..almost all pakistanis who don’t agree with each other get called traitors…

    Sal Reply:

    We dont call intellectutor a traitor.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev
    I will not give Izzat to this person, who calls himself SAL. What is Intellectutor??? But nevertheless he will poke his snout in any discussion and pretend to be an intellectual. These people will never respond to hard facts but keep on parroting you live on less than 2 dollar a day et al. What I want is to tell sensible people in Pakistan is that join hands with Indians, where a large amount of goodwill is still there for Pakistan and its people, because they share our history and are custodians of places which we indians consider precious. But they will still look at China, which is just using them for the Schism which has been created by myopic leaders of pakistan. When this Bander Bant is finished, pakistan will be lost for ever and India will also suffer. But, present pakistani feels that making India suffer is all thay want in their life and hereafter.

    Sal Reply:

    @Pankaj

    Who cares you. And dont talk about future.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sal;
    That is the difference. I do care. And why not talk about future? can not you think or it is very scary??

    Raju kurien Reply:

    I believe BJP can win and win big if they position themselves as a country loving (terrorism, economics, welfare) party driven by core beliefs, consummated by broad interests of the country. One should remeber that Atal Vihari Bajpay was the only MP BJP’s predecessor Jan Sangh had for a long time. But as people understood the party better (and in those days it sure was a cleaner alternative) , they sytarted winning seats and eventually getting a chance to run the country.

    I believe the time is right for them to reposition, especially with the support of the youngsters in teh country. There is a hunger, with all our faults, among the young men and women in the country to do something good for the country -including voting for a party that will take India to soaring heights, lifting all its people. For BJP not to leverage this is a colossal mistake.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    When I was a child, I remember slogan ‘gali gali mein shor hein, Rajiv gandhi chor hai’…

    Now I wish to hear-
    ‘gali gali mein shor hai, Sonia-rahul chor hein’.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Manmohan Singh is totally irrelevant..he is modern day Alibaba.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Vinod

    Talking about corruption, you eloquently defended Mani Shankar Aiyar when he masqueraded as an eminent cultural personality like Lata Mangeshkar to come into Rajya Sabha. Is.nt his charade of being a writer as well as holding on to government accommodation at the cost of the taxes paid by the poor farmers of India, corruption?

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  • Rajiv

    There is striking similarity between the
    Congress/Vinod Sharma response on corruption and
    Pakistan’s response on terrorism.

    Congress/Mr Sharma on corruption.

    “discuss issues in perspective and with adequate backgrounding. Corruption as a phenomenon has to be dealt in a bipartisan manner as the malaise plagues our polity (and society on the whole)”

    Pakistan on state sponsored terrorism

    Terrorism is not a Pakistan phenomenon. Its a international phenomenon and many countries are involved in it. Its has to be dealth with at the international level and the root cause of terrorism has to be removed.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    It is apt you brought terrorism into the picture. I believe these “economic” terrorists eating away the country’s well being are as bad as any Islamic terrorists sent by Pakistan. We cannot have two different perspectives.. Ya, in one case nobody gets killed. But isnt stealing zillion crores of public money that could be spent on education, getting people out of poverty, better health care etc worse than killing 20 people (I know every life is precious..but where do we draw the line on patriotism or lack of it — isnt Raja and all his accomplices like the IAS cooterie far worse “rajyadrohi” than an uneducated poor Muslim boy who is persuaded to do a bomb explosion in a small town?

    Something to think about… as long as we discuss nation, let us talk about all that is standing in our way – it is just not terrorism from outside..I believe there is a core “untouchable” official/political nexus that is eating away the country.

    Time that the youth of thsi country rise and prevent this…Terrorism is a one day thing, however unfortunate it may be.. The G2 etc creates fundamental backwardness to the country

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Rajiv

    ” the root cause of terrorism has to be removed.” and what part os this statement don’t you understand.

    I think for sure your bigoted mind is not wanting to pay attention to the following facts:

    Iraq–Score almost 300,000 dead and millions displaced
    Afghanistan- More than 1/2 million killed by your country’s father in law USSR, millions displaced as refugees
    Palestine- 90% people kicked out into refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon….White people from Europe and USA become the settlers of the land…This is done all based on religion
    Bosnia..Thosands killed by the Serbian Christian before gaining independence
    Kashmir…80,000 dead and you guys want them to sit and do nothing..cry for Azadi continues
    Chechnya…killing continues

    And you are sitting here and saying “what is the root cause’

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Add to that-
    Bangladesh – 3 million hindus killed
    Pakistan – 3 million non-sunnis killed
    Pakistan – 8 million hindus killed

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Show me concrete evidence on all these and I will take my words back

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Or rather I can show you documented evidence, but can you?

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Go look at bangladesh’s genocide records on their govt. sites.
    As far as 8 million hindus genocide is concerned, % of hindus left in your country is proof enough.
    You have been killing non-sunni muslims from day one after independence…Everyday we hear Shias, Ahmediyas, Sufis getting blown up..Do you need more proof?

    Pakistan is truly a genocidal state in modern world.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Provide me with facts not F a r t s

    You are greater fool than your writings indicate, so if 8million hindus left Pakistan then is proof genocide, what a illetrate moron you are.

    Then what would consider almost 20 million Muslims who left India?

    ONE TIME NO GIVES A s H I T WHAT YOU SAY, SHOW ME THE FACTS.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Do you deserve facts? I know you are used to farts in mosques when you stick your nose up the butt of person worshipping infront of you.

    You have killed close to 20 million innocent people till date..that is close to 3 and half time the nazis.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv;
    Again you have been trapped by this moron. why you are wasting your breath with this uncouth. Ask him to kurban his first born on this EEd. may god turn his son into a Bakra at that time., and if not, he will get lot of sawab and go straight to jannat.
    they will remain same and will vanish slowly like a TB patient, as their founding father did. do not get involved with them in vacuous arguments. If need arise, take a gun and finish them off. they know only this language.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I am having fun with this madrasa educated kid…

    Rajeev Reply:

    Give me official figure on Kashmir from non-islamic/non-pakistani sites.

    We don’t care about palestine or iraq or iran or some lala land..

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Kashmir Death Toll Hits 1,980 In 2003
    21 November 2003
    The Washington Post

    Srinagar: The government of Indian-controlled Kashmir said Friday that 1,980 people have perished in separatist fighting in the first 10 months of this year, bringing the death toll to 65,000 since the rebellion began in 1989. The 1,980 people killed was 15 percent less than in the same period a year earlier, the Jammu-Kashmir state government said. Most of the dead were Muslim civilians who were killed in militant strikes or in counterattacks by Indian security forces. India and Pakistan have fought two wars since independence from Britain in 1947 over the state of Jammu-Kashmir, now divided between them. Jammu-Kashmir is India’s only Muslim-majority state. Pakistan says it supports the militants’ cause, but denies India’s charge that it funds, arms and trains the guerrillas. The government issued the death toll to counter accusations that civilian deaths have increased since it took power after elections last October. A two- day gunbattle that ended on Thursday left two suspected rebels, three soldiers, and a civilian dead in Srinagar, the main city in the Indian-controlled portion of Kashmir.

    Rajeev Reply:

    It is nowhere close to 80000 you quoted…It is still a miniscule percentage of 3 million bangladeshis you killed during 1970-71 period.

    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Rajeev, I think its a fair call to furnish a credible source for the quoted figures.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Kushagra

    Rajeev is pathlogical liar, so I don’t expect him to give any concrete evidence.

    Rajeev Reply:

    You have killed 45 million people.

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    recently a congressi was arrested in Nerul ,Navi Mumbai for letting some illegal settlers , setting up homes on open govt land

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Azhar,
    The way it looks is that the root cause of terrorism today, is the same as it was 1000 years ago when criminals like Muhammad Ghori, Muhammad Ghazni, Muhammad Bin Qasam invaded alien lands , killing and looting, inspired by a medieval tribal ideology of intolerance of diversity and the self-evidently thuggish and callous belief that their God was the only God.

    Of course there are many ( Like Azhar Hussain ) who consider those criminals as their ancestors ( who actually killed their ancestors , but thats a different story ) and hero-worship them in their history books while others consider them uncivilized, uncouth criminals.

    The chiefs of Jaish-e-Muhammad, Lashkar-e-toiba or Al-Qaida like Khalid Sheikh Muhammad or Bin Laden are the Qasims and Ghoris of today. The world calls them terrorists while many like Azhar worship them, defend them and look for root-causes in them.

    That cultist ideology, that does not tolerate other religious belief systems and tells its adherants that their belief system is the only real one and the other belief systems are false is a abhorrent crminal ideology born out of retarded minds and the civilized world is going to fix that.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajiv AKA RAjeev

    He posted numbers (random #) and I asked for proof.

    Rajeev Reply:

    November 16th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Add to that-
    Bangladesh – 3 million hindus killed
    Pakistan – 3 million non-sunnis killed
    Pakistan – 8 million hindus killed

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I forgot to add great nation of Balochistan. You have killed estimated 5 million Balochis since 1947.

    You have killed 1 million kashmiris both muslims and hindu in last 2 decades.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    “I forgot to add great nation of Balochistan. You have killed estimated 5 million Balochis since 1947.”

    Balochistan (Urdu: بلوچستان) is the largest province by area of Pakistan, constituting approximately 48% of the total area of Pakistan. At the 1998 census, Balochistan had a population of roughly 6.6 million.

    Rajeev you are pathological liar

    Rajeev Reply:

    You have killed 40 million people.
    Baloch nation is free and India will recognise it in due course.

    Down with Nazi pakistanis.

  • Rajiv

    Bye the way, I have argued as passionately against the invasion of Iraq as I have against Pakistan state controlled, financed and organized terrorism against India.

    But Iraqis are not attacking India or commiting acts of terrorism anywhere in ther world. All roads of terrorism lead to Islam-a-bad.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Azhar Mian,
    This discussion is about INDIAN corruption. It’s better you go and discuss PAKISTANI ARMY corruption.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Rajeev aka Rajiv

    your brother said “route cause of terrorisms” and I posted the cause and numbers.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You have killed 35 million people.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajeev says:
    November 17, 2010 at 2:28 am
    Azhar Mian,
    This discussion is about INDIAN corruption. It’s better you go and discuss PAKISTANI ARMY corruption.

    You are laughable character Rajeev.

    You really don’t me to cut and paste, and get you running helter shelter, now do you Rajeev.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You have killed 30 million people.

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  • Rajiv

    @Rajeev,
    A muslim cannot be corrupt so no one in Pakistan is corrupt.
    Its in the preamble of that moth-eaten-constitution.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are not off the mark. Almost all the muslims think that all muslims are made of pure gold who can do wrong…All these news of rampant corruption, violence, terrorism in muslim societies is Zionist, Hindu and western conspiracy..bechare bahut hee seedhe hein..

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Rajeev Reply:

    November 16th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Add to that-
    Bangladesh – 3 million hindus killed
    Pakistan – 3 million non-sunnis killed
    Pakistan – 8 million hindus killed

    F–ting is not proof, I need concrete evidence

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You have killed 25 million people…You are the proof..

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Azhar has agreed that pakistan has killed 50 million non-muslims and muslims till date. It is rare to see a pakistani telling truth.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    Azhar is a proof of Pakistanis being rape children

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    MOGUL Reply:

    paritosh & rajeev,

    lets keep the discussion limited to corruption only for the sake and love of mother india. you losers seem to have your own agenda. better start your own blog for glorifying sinister BJP RSS AXIS.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mogul,
    You are a bloody loser..Didn’t you see how your brother Azhar poisoned this discussion with irrelavant islamic discussion? You muslims should for once try to be honest.
    Don’t you ever lecture me…SOB

  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    With the Supreme Court twice slapping in 2 years on Government’s wrist for its inaction on 2G scam, and PM being silent, is it beginning of the end for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh?

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  • vijay kumar

    There is some basic sihonesty in the wy corruption is being discussed by the political parties in India, especially the Congress.

    The moment it is caught– that is a membe r of the congress is caught– it starts screaming BJP BJP… BJP.

    The correct way shuld be to clean its house and P :( U:( N :( I :( S :( H the thieves.

    The Congress has not shown this right from the days of Antulay. whom it rehablitated as a Muslim leader. Or in the matter of Azharuddin where it smelt Muslim votes, and forgot the criminal acts Azharuddin indulged in. IT rewrded murderers like Sajjan Kumar and show no intention when its leaders openly use the CBI as a lever to get support– as it did in the case of Mayawati.

    Yes the COngress only makes noises on corruption but shows no intention of actually running a clean administration.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Last night was quite long at 7 Race Course. It is going to be the same for some more nights. A former Cabinet Secy has already cited the Transaction of Business Rules , to say that PM i.e. MMS i.e. MERI MAJBOORI SAMJHO , has a lot of explaining to do before the Supreme Court..

    Personally , I feel bad for him. I do not feel happy when I see him being tormented. But this out of his own choice. He should have realized all this befor getting into the arrangement with ……..

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  • jai vaidya

    The congress is more corrupt siply because of the years it has been in power.The one trade where it beats all other parties is in human smugling.The bangladeshi settlement in india is a very lucrative buisness,large sections of patriotic Assamese and Manipuri,s have been allienated but who cares.By the way the congress has a comlete monoply in this buisness.

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  • jai vaidya

    Azhar
    ‘palestine-90% peaple kicked out into refugee camps Jordon’
    You probably dont know that once upon a time the Palestinians were the dominant and largest section of Jordon.In 1970 their was a event that has been ingrained in the Palestinian peaples .This event is known as Black September.The palestinians were evicted from Jordon by the hashemite Royals.howevever the hashemites were not strong enough to do this,.They were assisted by the mercenary Pakistan/West Punjabi Army.The task was entrusted to a certain Brigadier Zia ul Haq.The result was the death of 25,000 Palestinians and their permanent eviction from Jordon.Voice of Cairo,the dominant arab media of that era has recorded it as a genocide agaisnt the Palestinians.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Jai you are spot on !!

    I have a Palestenian friend who did his engineering from India and has now shifted base to USA. And he kept telling me that the Jordanians ditched them and killed many of them. And that Zia ul Haq– the self appointed king of fundmantalism was behind a lot of this shit. Even in 1996, the king of jordan put in his claims on Jeruslam, ahead of that of Palestinians.

    For your information. In the 71 war, 25 planes the Jordanian airforce was sent to pakistan for support and sorties into India.

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    Jai Vaidya Reply:

    This air force help is news to me.Thanks

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  • Vigilante

    Arre Internet ke pehelwaano, yeh dhishum dhishum kar ke kya mil rahaa hai?

    You are showing yourselfs to be intellectually corrupt!!

    Baat kahhan ki aur Zor kahaan ka.

    Shant ho jao please

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You are right..We should all keep quiet and let congress and congress paid media cover up all the corruption. Thanks for being so vigilant..

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  • vijay kumar

    :D :D :D :D Time for comic interval– ala Pakistan !! :D :D :D :D

    :) :) :) :) :) The mother of all conspiracy theories from Pakistan :) :) :)

    HOw can the smileys be far away when Vijay Kumar is around!!

    Comstech, Pakistan’s highest science body seriously belives that the floods were triggered by soundwaves unleashed by the USA and IsreAL !! ::D :D

    Don’t believe me??

    This has been written by Pevez Hodbhoy in OUTLOOK India. Pervez himself is worried on the depths Pakistani science has plunged!!

    Prior to this Comstech– Pakistan’s highest science body. like our DRDO — had blamed cable TV and Indian entertainment channels for the earthquakes of 2005!! This had lead to many Pakistanis in destroying their TV sets !!!

    O Rama, Allah and Christ!! What mistake did you make in letting the nuke button slip into the hands of such profound geniuses???

    Vinod Sharmaji… this is a wake up call for all !! :D :D :D

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay
    You forgot their Top ranking nuclear scientist who was working seriously to harness energy of “JINNS” TO SOLVE PAKISTANI ENERGY PROBLEMS. THE SAME guy, who met Osama in the garb of social worker,out there to help Afghans. What a bunch of Idiots.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    I read that too…To be a true muslim one SHOULD belive in JINNS and many muslim scientists genuinely believe that JINNS can be used to generate electricity for muslim world.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev
    If they are so strong believer, I asked Azhar to sacrifice his first born son for God, in repeatition to the act of Abraham, to test their faith, he did not respond. This act is perpetuated just to whet their appetitie for flesh. You call them human beings? they are hyenas, wild dogs and what not. Whatever could have gone wrong with human race, it has gone there, particularly in Pakistan, where they have no attachment to the soil thay are living on.They still think that they are victors/looters and goons. enjoying fruits of their Makkari.
    No civilization, no tahzeeb, only boast of conquering and pilaging land and its people.

  • Rajiv

    Ayub : Traitor
    Yahya : Traitor ( sacked )
    Z Bhutto : Traitor ( Hanged )
    Zia-Ul-Haq : Greatest Islamic leader ever produced who hanged a traitor
    Mrs Bhutto : American-Zionist agent : Traitor
    Nawaz : Traitor ( Exiled )
    Musharraf : Traitor-e-chief ( American Agent, exiled )
    Zardari : Son-in-law of all traitors
    Altaf Hussain : Traitor ; exiled

    Supreme Patriots : Hamid Gul, LeT Chief , Hafiz Muhammad, JeM chief Grand Maulana Masood Azhar ( related to Azhar here ? ), Dawood Ibrahim ( None of them exiled but under care of the Islamic Republic )

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Liked it.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @ Rajiv – Good one!

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Rajiv :D :D :D gr8 compilation

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Add to that AHMADIYA NOBEL PRIZE WINNER ABDUS SALAM who is called traitor and his tombstone was changed by Pakistani govt. to indicate he was NON-MUSLIM.

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  • Rajiv

    @Vijay, Rajeev etc

    An astounding honest appraisal of the Pak situation by reputed Pak columnist , Omar Ali in Outlook India.

    Rush to read it.
    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268028

    ( I am tempted to post it here. Its that good.)

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Rajiv – Thanks for posting a brilliant article.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Great Article…I must say pakistan has some very brilliant journalist which we sadly lack.

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  • Rajiv

    Just a ***-bit from the above mentioned column

    “…Unless we can wean the army off these twin ambitions (alliance with the mullahs in domestic politics and anti-Indian hatred as an organizing principle) we are in for much worse than this.”

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?268028

    @Vindo Sharma,
    You too can/may/hopefully/shall read it.

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    U r right Rajiv. Omar like Usman is among the few Decent Pakistanis I have encountered on the net.

    I think they need to understand that most Pakistanis– especially– come from the same racial stock as Indians. The invaders too mated with local women. So even if there is difference of religion– Islam vs the rest– which the Pakistani leaders try to emphasise– life can only move on forward from here.

    There is no point in them claiming mera grandfather ka baap Turkish hai. Even if that is true they still live in South Asia!!

    Tomorrow they would like to be seen as surrogate children of the CHinese…!! :D :D :D

    But never never would they like to believe that they were somehow related the “inferior Indians” as their history books teach them that.

    Okay even if we end up hating each other– and this will remain as long as Pakistanis are fed on lies– I think Indians need to evolve a policy of ignorance and reaction– in case of terror attacks– with Pakistan.

    All religions need space to exist. The fanatics need to be exterminated. Unfortunately even if Pakistanis say that they are going to eliminate the fanatics and Taliban, most still secretly support them. There lies the difference between them and other countries.

    And yes,

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I dont care what stock Pakistanis come from. I see them of Saudi-Chinese stock politically and idiots mentally.
    Omar Ali lays out how the so called fight against terrorism is a hogwash and how the Pak army is activly involved in protecting and promoting religious fanaticism through the jihadi groups it considers army-friendly.

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  • Rajiv

    @Vijay
    What stock Pakistanis come from is irrelevent in a political context.
    Of course there are no ethnic differences between a Hindu/Sikh punjabi and a Muslim punjabi.
    Similarly Hindu and Muslim Gujratis, Hindu and Muslim Sindhis come from the same ethnic groups. 90% or more Pakstanis are converted Hindus just as90% or more Muslims in India too are converted Hindus.

    But facts are irrelevent here. If Pakistanis think that they are from the tribal, illeterate Saudi stock and Chinee are their maternal uncle then thats exactly how I am going to look upon them and treat them.

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    Sal Reply:

    Pashtuns were never Hindus. They are the descendants of Jews. So take out 20% of Pak Population. Baloch were never hindus too. They are the descendants of Jews too just like Kurds of Iraq. So take out Baloch too out of Pak population. Pak Punjab is mix of Central Asians, descendants of Arabs, Turks, afgan and south asian. Only sindhis were hindus but let me dissapoint you Sindh was conquered 1300 years ago by Muhammad Bin Qasin in 712 and then throughout the history, Sindh has been in hands of muslims.

    And the list that you have given is political list without any reference and I was talking about Intelectutors. Anyway, We didnt kill our father of the nation by our own hands unlike you killed your own Gandhi.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    LOL.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @LOL

    Just read Sal. He is serious and thats the greatest joke on Pakistan.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Punjabis are 55% of pakistan all coming from hindu stock mixed with central asians and other invaders.
    Sindhis make 30% of pakistan all coming from hindu stock mixed with invaders.
    Pashtuns 10% come from partly buddhist stock mixed with invaders.
    Only 5% remaining Balochis come from non-hindu non-buddhist stock…

    So 95% of pakistan comes from raped hindu/buddhist stock..

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev
    I beg to differ with you here. I have read many books authored by respected people of 19 century and early 20 century, which clearly says pashtuns to be of hindu/buddhist stock. yes, like many populations of conquered people they have mixed blood now. Gandhar, present day kandhar was mentioned in our ancient literature very graphically. Rig ved was created in areas known as Afghanistan. about Balochis, even now some indigenous hindus live there. They can not migrate from hindu majority ares to a muslim majority area, the only explaination of their presence is that somehow they escaped conversion. Lot of preislamic structures, pottery and other artefact are still present in Afghanistan museums. all these evidence clearly point out presence of hindu population in these areas and gradually they were lost to history in these areas. Invaders can not bring their womenfolk along with army and hence got married or had relationship with locals and thus hindus disappeared to great extent in all these areas.
    In nut shell, baluchis, Afghans and most of other muslims are converts. you can still find many Punjabi muslims using rajput surnames and Jat surnames. Lower castes, who wanted to hide their origin adopted surname like Qureshi, hashmi etc to show their Arab descent including belonging to their prophets clan.
    It is really funny to see a jet black pakistani with total indian facials claiming to be a Moghul. they do not know what a mughal look like.
    LOL

    Rajiv Reply:

    What about Azhar ?
    Is he a jew too or a Arab-Chechen-Mongol-mutated hybrid ??

    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Perhaps you too have some germs of Arab, Turks, Mongols etc inside you. No one knows what happened to your ancestors by Arab. You know what I mean.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajiv
    It is as simple as this. when these people got terrified of mongols, they started using word KHAN as their last name. when they found that mughals are on ascendency, they started calling themselves as mughals and adopted surnames as Mirza, Chugtai etc. Now, getting greedy and fascinated with Arab Petro dollars, they are braying from the minar top, that after all they are Arabs. Changing gleefully Khuda Hafiz to Allah Hafiz.. Pity these chamaleons.

    Sal Reply:

    Then Why we dont look like you. Perhaps we have also changed our color, skin and height due to fear.

    vijay Kumar Reply:

    Sal,

    Dont gloat on lies taught to you by Dawood Ibrahim. As far as color of the skin goes, people in the north of the world always have lighter skin because of less sunlight all ove the world. You are darker than Europeans and many Indians would be fairer than you..

    We are happy that you Pakistanis keep your distance from us, believing you are a progeny of Arabs and maybe of CHinese tommorow. We are happier if you continue killing each other in the search for being good Muslims. But why come to this site?? I think you should rediscover your Jewish origins !

    You can also see a link in today’s HIndustan times site about Pakistani traders who are amazed at the high disposable income of Indians and want to put up stalls here at trade fairs. WHy are Pakistanis coming to India for medical treatment, aid in floods, breaks in films and music, getting technology and even employment when at the end of the day your intention is to kill and murder in the name of religion??

    Good bye. GO live in your dream world where

    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    I have seen many gujaritis, Rajhastani in my life. They are the same as the rest of the Indians are. We people of Pak are really different in term of Color, Skin and height from Indians and by the way, I have spoken to many indians and they do agree with this.

    Now I come to other part of your ***. Dont give me any Indian source. I am aware what kind of your media is. The same newspaper have conducted a survey in 2008 in Kashmir which claims that 80% of valley wants Independence. Pak didnt ask any Aid from India. India has given aid to UN and then Pak has accepted that aid from UN after very reluctance. And then there are many other countries who has given Aid to Pak directly in flood lie Afganistan but we dont expect **** from Afganistan just like you did.

    Lie..Lie..What technology and what employement. Perhaps you are referring a technology of how to create 800 millions of human kind to live under 2$ in a day. And let me tell you Pak is the biggest exporter of cement to India. And as far as music and films are concerned, then let me tell you entertainment or Art doesnt have any bounderies and many of your Tv artists works in Pak Private TV Daramas that get shoot in dubai.

    But your are free to live in your lies just like 800 millions indians who are progressing and shining.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sal;
    thought I will not answer you any time soon but can not resist temptation of making you wiser’ have you seen Hindu pashtuns? I bet you have not. they have same physical features as other muslim pashtuns, may be even better physique, because they were well placed in life as compared to average pashtuns. You speak of Iranians, do you know, Iranians are Aryans, and were Zorastrians before their conversion to Islam.Iranis and baluchis and pashtuns represent languages spoken by these groups. It is a known fact that Aryans came from Caucasus region via Iran and Afghanistan. Some tribes settled there and some kept on moving, till they reach Ganges. So do not feel that Afghans are different from Baluchis or both of them are different from punjabis etc.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal,

    I think u r too boring and predictable. If you find the Indian media tells lies, why are u herre? We dont want u here. I think you should join a jehadi camp– unless you are already there.

    Maybe you should go to Arabia in search of your father who is fair.

    We in India dont like and tolerate fanatics.

    it will be good if you change your mindset or change the websites you hang on.

    Sal Reply:

    @Pankaj

    Most of the pashtuns were jews. Similary, most of the Balochs were were Jews too. Pashtuns are afgans and afgans itself are Iranians and Balochs are iranians too. Punjabis, Balochs and Pashtuns are different. I can write a very long article on it. But dont want to do it.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I just went thru the transcript on Outlook and feel vindicated. I have always maintained that so-called secular media is actually Dalal of Congress who wants to keep congress in power for their own vested interest.
    I have always felt Barkha (Bakra), Vir, Rajdeep, Prannoy Roy, Sagarika, Pankaj Vohra, Vinod Sharma, Vinod Mehta excessively pro-congress. Infact these are the people who bailed congress out in cash for vote scam with one sided (pro-congress) reporting.
    Now pro-congress chamcha Vinod Mehta has bared other pro-congress journos on the orders of Congress SG (means Boss) because they want to send message to all the journos working on exposing congress scams.
    If people like Barkha and Vir want to redeem themselves, they should expose Congress and Boss SG (Sonia Gandhi) completely or leave journalism and enjoy their crores.

    I feel ashamed to be Indian today…Bhaad mein jaye hindustan…

    vijay kumar Reply:

    The Gandhi family has ruled us for a majority of the years after independence. However some of the best and most prosperous years have been wthout the Gandhi parivar as in the PV Narasimha Rao years or the current decade starting with Atal’s rule.

    India cannot be enslaved to a family. It would be better if Rahul stays in the sidelines as he is today.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Beautiful…Raja with Radia
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qXnxSxVaR4

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Sal

    Nice to know that you guys are from a jewish background!!

    So why hate the Jews so much now??

    Sssshhh but watch out before you say this too loud!! Mulla Omar who claims to be direct descendent of Ghori may hear and then….

    Sal…. Khal–aass

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Rajiv, I also dont care about which racial stock Pakistanis are from. What I want to do is puncture a lie. Many a time abroad I have come across Pakistanis who believe that they are direct descendants of Babur or some other Moghul emperor based on lies they have been taught in history books.

    Babur must have spent hell of a time fornificating if he alone has managed to reproduce a nation of 180 million. Third generation converts too are somehow stuffed up with bad history.
    I can say this based on the experience I had of seeing a Hindu friend of my grandad who stayed back in Sialkot and converted to Islam. When his grandchildren came to meet us in 2004 in Delhi, they were pretty convinced that they were pure Muslims of Central Asian descent all along.

    I was happy for them and my grandad also did not talk about it. Instead we took them to all the tourist places of Delhi…

    Let me also disappoint many who believe that they are pure Arabs. Buddhism in 9th century had crossed deep inot Afghanistan and China. The statues of Bamiyan which the fanatic Taliban gleefully blew up and the remains of MOhenjo daro are proof of other religions existing in those areas.

    Anway I strongly believe that everyone has a right to follow whatever religion one likes. So Islam is a big Okay with me. But…

    I also believe that the way it is practised in Pakistan , it is against the spirit of humanity.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    The sub-continental Islam has its own caste system derived from Hindu caste system..Here is how it works-
    Note: This system is on father side..mother has no relevance here as in hindu caste system

    1. Ashrafs – Decendents of Invaders e.g. Syeds
    2. Ajlafs – Decendents of upper caste hindus converted to Islam e.g. Siddiquis
    3. Arjals – Decendents of lower caste hindus converted to Islam e.g. Ansaris

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian_Muslims

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    Arey bhai itna Gussa kyun.

    Muslims of Pak are different from muslims of ( India and Bangladesh). Islam has arrived quite early in present day Pak than India and Bangladesh. The majority of those people who came from Arab, Afganistan and Central Asia who migrated to India settled in present day Pakistan and this is just becasue of geography. Pak lies at the croosroad of South Asia, Central Asia and West Asia. And then they are the poeple who introduced Islam deep in Sub Continent. In India and Bangladesh, there are the people who are mostly converted (muslims). This is the evolution.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Great logic….Punjabi and Sindi speaking people came from central asia, arab :)
    Pakistanis have wierd sense of humour…

    Rajeev Reply:

    MIGRATED…or INVADED… ;)

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay,
    Even i do not mind Islam, every one should be free to practice what they like best. But this nobel idea, though mentioned in Kuran, that there is no use of force in matter of religion is flouted openly by pakistanis. The tendency is that when you are small in number, take advantage of liberals, all the rights of democracy, human rights etc. the critical line is 50%. The moment they feel they are in majority, they start dictating and all the amnesty, right, humanity escapes from Backdoor. Kashmir, Mallapuram and any Muslim ghetto is proof enough. it is this tendency, which has to be fought at mind and physical level by all means.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Coming back to corruption-
    1. I think media needs to concentrate more on Adarsh-CWG-2G scams.
    2. Media should also go after Karnataka scams but not to defend congress from scams.
    3. Media should also tell us why Manmohan is taking heat for all the scams..Why are Sonia/Rahul spared? Nothing moves in UPA govt. without their approval. They take all the credit for MNREGA. RTI etc. but when it comes to scam, they go silent..How about taking credit for Adard-CWG-2G scams?
    4. Mr.Swamy has been hinting that Manmohan is INNOCENT but the real beneficiaries are those who control him i.e. Sonia and Rahul. I don’t see media ever criticising or questioning acts of Sonia and Rahul. Infact IBN (hindi) came up with documentary on politcis of Rahul gandhi (positive propaganda to help Rahul) the day SC pulled up Manmohan Singh.

    Lastly BJP should get rid of this Holier than thou attitude. It is time they sack Yeddy immediatly and ask for JPC on Karnataka scam. The BJP corruption can not hide behind Congress corruption and vice versa. Enough is enough..

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Rajeev, you are right, its high time that BJP should start rolling heads in Karnataka, starting from the top.

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    Vinay Reply:

    Adarsh and BJP Karnataka are regional corruption. Regional papers have to give more focus on them. CWG and 2G are corruption at national level and their scale is huge compared to the first two. These have to be probed more in national newspapers.

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  • vijay kumar

    O Pakistanis…. most of you were Jews!! Sal from Pakistan has revealed this !! :D :D

    Are you not insulting your gr8 gr8 gr8 gr8 grandparents by not becoming JEws again…

    O Azhar Hussain… you should become a Jew again…

    O Sal… why should u not have a bar mtizvah and a visit to your grandparents holy land of IsreaL?

    Respect your forefathers, without whom you would not have existed today

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    Sal Reply:

    @ Vijay Kumar

    Jesus (Isa) was also a Jew and many Jews will go heaven who has follow God’s Path in their times. Besides this, I havent said that, most of Pak is descendants of Jews. I have talked about Pashtuns and Baloch in this regard.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Why many jews will go to heaven? Why not all jews? Jews reject jesus as prophet..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal,

    If you have some moral courage can you please say that in front of the Afghan and NWFP Taliban. Especially since both are the illegitimate children of the mating game between the ISI
    and hate of minorities both of which are the bedrock of Pakistan :D

    Can you also let me know when you are going to tell this truth about Jewish ancestory to MUlla Omar and Mehsuds..? Would love to see the kisses they blow at you.

    If you dont know where they are… you can start by putting up a billboard outside your house :D

  • vijay kumar

    One news coming in on the channels is of Barkha Dutt having lobbied for a Congress DMK coalitian after the last elections. OPEN magazine has given transcriptions of her conversations with NIIRA Radia who is Raja’s front girl.

    I hope it is not true.

    I always believd that NDTV was a cut above the rest of the channels who could do anything for TRP’s

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Bakra Dutt is a joke on journalism..She is totally biased low-life journalist.

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    Ankit Reply:

    Vijay, I can understand your angst. The fact is that the neta-babu-corporate coalition of corruption extends further to media. Just listen to the tapes of Barkha Dutt and Vir Sanghvi talking to Nira Radia and you will come out shocked. These journos, who give sanctimonious sermons on TV and papers in front of all of us are deep in the muck themselves. Does it surprise common people like you and me that that people like Vinod Sharma are defend their party in the most shameless manner; after all we now clearly know what kind of conversations go on in the background!!

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    shikha Reply:

    Although Vinod has hurled abuses on me, I do not think he is a journalist who makes money etc out of journalism. I have made that distinction. He is not a dishonest human being. It is only his wriitngs that are in question.
    There is something that goes in his favor – He does not censor our comments. He can easily do that if he wants but he does not. So he scores some points there.
    If this were Barkha Dutt, she would have censored our comments, I can assure you that.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Sal

    Since forefathers of many million Pakistanis are JEws why should we not let them become Jews again. ??

    Would these people have existed in case their forefathers had not existed?

    Let us re convert them to their parent religion in case they want. And they should be no punishemnt of Apostasy by death…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    You can never convince a pakistani on this. Most of them beleive that Invaders came with their wives…This is the only way they can deny their true ancestory (that was defeated at the hands of barbarian muslim invaders).
    Pakistanis excel in coming up with imaginative central asian, arabic, turkish, mongol ancestory…They do it more to convince themselves than skeptics…

    It is like a dark skinned D’Souza claiming to be PORTUGESE..believe me many goans believe that they are decendents of Portugese but when you point to their skin color, language and food, they go silent..

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    Sal Reply:

    Skin, Color and height of people of Pak are different from Indians as well. Pashtuns and Baloch are iranians unlike Indians who are Indo-Aryans. Punjab is a mix. Only Sindhis are Indo Aryans.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Punjabi and Sindhi pakistanis look like people from Indian Punjab, haryana, Rajasthan and Gujarat.
    Whereas Muhajir look like Biharis and other Indians.

    Pashtun look like Afghans and Balochis like Iranis.

    Sal Reply:

    Good. Atleast you accept Pashtuns and Baloch. I agree with you about Sindhis and Muhajir.
    And for Punjab, I will say People of Punjab (Pak) looks like North Indian Plus Central Asians and West Asians.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    I agree with you but don’t say pakistanis have foreign ancestory..Most of the pakistanis have wither totally Indian ancestory or mixed ancestory i.e. Indian + central asian where males were central asian and raped females Indians.

    Sal Reply:

    Wrong

  • http://- Rajeev

    Everything is not so black and white when it comes to Genes as our learned fried SAL claims.. Even kashmiri and tamils are connected..Read carefully…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia#Haplogroup_R2

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  • AJ

    i sincerely feel that vinod sharma should accept that he is a congressmen then we will have no issues with this kind of support of congress.it really hurts when u hide behind journalism for propagating congress.shame on you..is hindustan times sponsored by congress?please reply….Nation deserves an answer…

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    shashi menon Reply:

    Vinod Sharma

    Most of the media houses are sold out!! These so called journalist are either paid by political parties or in desire for some post are partisan!! But this guy Vinod Sharma is king of them all!! He is shameless to the core!!

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    Vinay Reply:

    I may not like the casteist politics of VP Singh, but would appreciate his guts in coming out the government during Bofors scam.

    Case 1> Bofors time : VP Singh came out, floated a party and defeated Congress.
    Case 2> Godhra : Vajpayee said Modi did not follow RajaDharma, wrote a poem but did not sack Modi.
    Case 3> 2G Scam : MMS never even reacted.

    Where are we heading?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Vinay

    I dont think there is any need to praise VP Singh. 1989-1990 really truned out to be a bad year all because of his short sightedness

    a) He unleashed a resurgence of caste which lead to bad administrative alliances in UP, Bihar and so many states. Only after he died could NItish KUmar come in. It was not important in VP singh’s mind to be good. YOu just had to belong to a certain caste or religion to be good.

    b) He was a bad adminstrator, leading to high inflation in his era

    c) He flopped. Mufti SAyeed’s daughter hid in some friend’s house by consent. He let that “kidnapping’ be a reason for releasing terrorists

    He gave India 22% inflation becasue of his populist divisive politics

    No need to praise him as he could never get to the root of corruption, the issue he came riding on

    Vinay Reply:

    @Vijay,

    I totally agree with your points a, b and c (I did mention in the beginning itself that, I did not like his casteist politics). I just appreciated him for having guts (at that moment) to come out of a corrupt government. What will you say about that impulse?

    VIjay Kumar Reply:

    @ Vinay,

    yes I agree that VP Singh did come out of the government and brought the corruption issue to the front. He disappointed in the sense that he could do nothing to solve India’s problems and ended up creating more.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Shashi Menon
    I don’t know who you are my dear. But can only abuse, abuse and abuse. Learn to debate and don’t always call people names. I can teach you a lesson or two in honesty, moral courage and professional probity.

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    shashi menon Reply:

    Honesty lessons from you!! By the way your debating skill is well known!! All you can shout is BJP BJP BJP!! My moral courage is not on sale like yours!!!

  • Rajiv

    Sal is right !
    Sal is a jew and rest Pakistanis are Arabs.

    I knew Pakistan is a zionist conspiracy against the world and Pak trained terrorists are not jewls of the ummah but actually jews giving the ummah from Arabia a bad name !!!

    Sal, you should submit your ideas to N Y Times and scientific magazines. You deserve a noble prize.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    You are very Intelligent.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    However Vinod Mehta (whatever his motive is) deserves some respect from us for exposing these journalist THUGS.. I still feel he did it on the orders of Sonia and Rahul Gandhi to put these journos in place. I think there should be a Supreme court directed investigation into this Congress-Journalist nexus.
    I found it amazing how media and congress ganged up during last lok Sabha election and put BJP on mat for Kandahar (which was direct result of congress pressure politics to get passengers back safe).
    Media has played in the hands of congress and now they should pay for this. It is time to drag these middlemen to courts.

    Vinodji,
    Ask your Sanghvi to come clean. His writings always made him suspect but looking at the transcripts, it looks like he is more of a middle-man than a journalist.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Everyone !!!

    Let the truth be out about fraudulent journalists who sell their souls for money and position!!

    Even if the government falls let this truth be out so that Indian democracy becomes stronger…

    And if some journalist has acted as a front for corporate and political purposes, shame on her/him.

    All his articles shourl be burnt and thrown in the bin…..

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Some time back a comment was directed at some of us including me , that ‘ let your blood boil since you cannot shed it for a cause” This was in the context of our objection to yelliing “Amit Shah Amit Shah” when the discussion was on Suresh Kalmadi. I tried to grasp the full import of it as to whether it was intended to incite us to more active or even violent protest, as there was a reference to ” shedding of blood,” rather than just writing on blogs , but then I let it go.

    Chalo, let us see who all are shedding their blood nowadays for the cause that was/ is dear to them

    1. A Raja – Service to Karunanidhi and their treasuries.
    2. Ashok Chavan- a flat in Adarsh and his treasury
    3. Suresh Kalmadi- Service to his treasury and that of those he owed his position to.
    4 Gopal Subramaniam SG – Service to those he owes his position to, defend the indefensible , including holding joint sessions , (“misleading the court” may need to be added after the Affidavit is filed on Saturday)
    5 Manmohan Singh- Service to his Appointing Authority
    6. Trustworthy among the Media- Each has his own cause
    7. Yeddiruppa- service to his family ( but this would require a little more evidence, as so far it is confusing )

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Everyone,

    Vinod Sharma too defends Congress even when the Congress does all the 69 positions of the Kama Sutra !! :D

    However I am still here on this site for one reason. Somewhere I do believe that while he gets swept away by COngress drivel of being innocent always, Vinod Sharma’s heart is still in the right position as far as good for India is concerned. i.e He will not barter the larger good of the country for personal gain.

    But then I will also say that uncle aomehow loses his brain when the question of building rapport with Pakistan comes in !!

    Still, I wish he would be dispassionate about this corruption issue. No point in defending the Congress when it is shielding the corrupt in its rank and in the coalition. And no point in raking in BJP when the issue is of loot and burglary by the people in power.

    Vinodji, a straight and simple question for you.

    Supposing you catch a thief in your house who is stealing your son’s school fees and your daughter’s savings. And then the thief starts screaming, ” don’t catch me… leave me… I am innocent… catch the thief in some other planet first… ” :D

    Will you now punish the thief in your house whom you have caight or will you say, “let us leave this thief … let us first hunt for a thief on Mars…. ” :D

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    Am unable to get your question clearly. But there cannot be any compromise on corruption. Those loot public money should be banished from public life forever— regardless of their ideology or their political allegiance.

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    VIjay Kumar Reply:

    Sir, that exactly is my question. Corruption and loot is corruption and loot. We cannot let Congresswallhas get away by saying that “secular” corruption is better than BJP corruption.

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  • vijay kumar

    I’d like to believe that Barkha Dutt was the toothy girl who did an emotional and brilliant coverage of the Kargil war.

    Punch in the link below and trace out her conversations with Radia and suddenly it seems that she went out of the way to ensure a lot of things for the COngress in the last elections.

    Open Magazine Barkha Dutt, Nira Radia Audio Tapes Exclusive

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Yes Vijay , thanks for this breaking news . This one is now on Rediff.com too.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Vijay Kumar

    thanks a lot. now we can get a confirmation of her loyalty to the Congress

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  • Vinay

    I hope our Mr. Clean PM has conscience to be more vocal about current happenings and come out clean. VP Singh did it. Can MM Singh do? But fact is, he has always remained silent when he has to make decision. He can only follow. Cannot lead.

    Yes, he has been hailed as the architect of the modern India. But the same man was the chief economic adviser to the Ministry of Finance from 1972 to 76 when government of India was running in the socialist mode. In 1990, when India was facing acute financial crisis and had to pledge its gold bars openly to Western banks, it was PVN Rao who could take the political courage to correct most of the mistakes that were done in the previous 40 years (that too heading a minority government), pick Singh, launch wide-ranging reforms, continuously back up the liberalization. It was he who introduced India’s “look east” policy in foreign affairs. The main thing he forgot was to bend to the white Rabri Devi, who belonged to first family of Congress. His body was refused entry into the AICC headquarters, and they turned down the family’s request for a site to cremate him in the capital.

    No wonder, this southie with no charismatic look was easily ignored by media. I was amused at the way Vir Sanghvi criticized PVN ( http://www.virsanghvi.com/CounterPoint-ArticleDetail.aspx ID=414 ), “.. His moment of great shame came when he as a home minister was failed to protect sikh in anti-sikh riots in 1984. Rajiv Gandhi included in his cabinet nevertheless” (Ha! Ha! Rajiv Gandhi was a holy cow.)

    His alleged corruption scandals cannot explain why he faced financial troubles at the end, despite holding many lucrative posts. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._V._Narasimha_Rao#Later_life_and_financial_difficulties ). But yes, media prints a lot about how Rahul Gandhi had a ride in second class train etc.

    MMS can only take orders. If his masters have vision (like PVN), he can produce great result. If his leader is Sonia/Rahul we will see, what we are seeing. (In 1993, the same person offered to resign from Finance ministry after a parliamentary investigation report criticized his ministry for not being able to check and anticipate a $1.8 billion dollar securities scandal. Today, we can’t count the number of zeros on the corruption amount). What is his reaction?

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Sal

    listen son, before you say the next sh*t thing , do some non-Islamic research for your opinion on Baloch , Punjabis and Pakhtoons exudes Mullah propaganda aroma. there’s a whole big world outside the walls of your Madrassa.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Sal;
    May be you do not know or remember that Shah of Iran, before Islamic revolution had a function where he affirmed himself as Arya Mihir. Iranians are proud of their aryan ancestory, it is only warprd version of Islam as now practiced by them, that has produced this fanaticism.

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  • Mahesh

    @Vijay Kumar, Rajiv, Rajeev, Azhar Hussein, Sal,
    Fellas,
    Just a request – can we PLEASE get back to the original topic of Sharmaji’s blogpost ?
    For instance – those on my side of Indian border might want to put the cost of Telecom Scam (about 1 Lac. 76 Thousand Crores) in perspective by comparing the shring subsidies for “Below Poverty Line” population.
    Thanks,
    Mahesh.
    p.s. for Sharmaji : Do we see a significant need for HT to open up another Blog specifically catering to the “viscerally enlightened” opinion on both sides of the border for invecting out , err, debating out their opinions about the land on other side of the border ? Tragic, but real. Maybe, only then the proverbial chaffe could stop distracting the real wheat.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    you are a mysterious person. yes, you are left off the center, this I could make out. It is fair enough that you asked Sal and Azhar to give way too. This is Indian blog and these intruders/ infiltrators are not welcome here with there bigoted views. This i have spoken many times. i would like to engage you in serious discussion, though I am man on the street and do not carry any baggage of ideology. Just common sense.

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  • Raju Kurien

    We really have to wonder about the journalists, politicians, and bureaucracy..

    Who is more rotten? People like Vinod Sharma, who deliberately support a political party that they lose sight of the magnitude of corruption unfolding in front of them…People like Vir Sanghvi who misuses the trusted poistion..

    Karunanidhi, the leader of the so called backward class,, He has enriched his extended family through the alst 20 years of stealing..and he still gets elected. He has four family members in the central cabinet–and we call it democracy…

    Who are the real terrorists? A guy kiling 10 people or a mafia stealing nation’s wealth?

    We should be as vigilant about our public servants as we are about terrorism and border issues.

    How can something like this go on? There has been discussion about this in the last five years.. Why didnt any newspaper go after this? What is the function of journalists? What about the GAO? Looks like finally they wiretapped.. Can the govt expect any of the money to be captured back?

    Why did PMO not do anything although they got communication about a year ago. Did Mamnmohan Singfh see that letter or was it handled by an undeling who was a part of this cabal.

    A great country has to act great. may be this is the time. I hope this episode will set the right process and fear in place.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Raju,
    you are bang on the spot. Exploiting guilt of centuries of mistreatment towards dalits, well that was the norm of the time, and we are ashamed of that, so called dalit messiahs, DMK have amassed a fortune. Dayanidhi Maran is reported to be rich by thousands of crores of rupees, are exploiting democracy to the hilt and enriching themselves. No benefit has gone to really Dalits and these modern days priests of Dalits have enriched themselves. The money enmassed by these leaders could have uplifted thousands if not lacs of dalits from wretchedness. A circus of democracy, where a gang of thieves, under the banner of Dalits and democrats, are stealing national treasure with impunity and no body can do any thing, because of democracy. Is this what our forefathers suffereds? How to break this logjam. I remember, Karunanidhi, saying that Raja is being targeted since he is Dalit !!!. what an affront to commom sense.? All of us are equal citizens of mother India, irrespective of caste, religion or colour and all of us should strive for fairness, meritocracy and justice.

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  • Vinay

    (May be, my post is violating the code of conduct in this blog, so getting moderated. Anyway, reposting again to try my luck.)

    I hope our Mr. Clean PM has conscience to be more vocal about current happenings and come out clean. VP Singh did it. Can MM Singh do? But fact is, he has always remained silent when he has to take decision. He can only follow. Cannot lead.

    Yes, he has been hailed as the architect of the modern India. But the same man was the chief economic adviser to the Ministry of Finance from 1972 to 76 when government of India was running in the socialist mode. In 1990, when India was facing acute financial crisis and had to pledge its gold bars openly to Western banks, it was PVN Rao who could take the political courage to correct most of the mistakes that were done in the previous 40 years (that too heading a minority government), pick Singh, launch wide-ranging reforms, continuously back up the liberalization. It was he who introduced India’s “look east” policy in foreign affairs. The main thing he forgot was to bend towards white Rabri Devi, who belonged to first family of Congress. After his death, his body was refused entry into the AICC headquarters, and they turned down the family’s request for a site to cremate him in the capital.

    No wonder, this southie with no charismatic look was easily ignored by media. I was amused at the way Vir Sanghvi criticized PVN ( http://www.virsanghvi.com/CounterPoint-ArticleDetail.aspxID=414 ); “… His moment of great shame came when he as a home minister was failed to protect sikh in anti-sikh riots in 1984. Rajiv Gandhi included in his cabinet nevertheless” (Ha! Ha! Rajiv Gandhi was a holy cow.)

    His alleged corruption scandals cannot explain why he faced financial troubles at the end, despite holding many lucrative posts. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._V._Narasimha_Rao#Later_life_and_financial_difficulties ). But yes, media prints a lot about how Rahul Gandhi had a ride in second class train.

    MMS can only take orders. If his masters have vision (like PVN), he can produce excellent result. If his leader is Sonia/Rahul we will see, what we are seeing. In 1993, the same person offered to resign from Finance ministry after a parliamentary investigation report held his ministry accountable for $1.8 billion dollar securities scandal. Today, we can’t count the number of zeros on the corruption amount. What is his reaction?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Vinay

    PV Narasimha Rao has been underrated by history. He was the guy who was the break away from the dynasty of the COngress.

    He solved Punjab by giving complete charge to KPS Gill.

    He solved the terrorism problem with Pakistan by propping up Altaf Hussain and sectiopns of Nawaz Sharif.

    he sidelined idiots like Mani Aiyar who are a positvie menace to growth of India.

    HE GAVE THE BREAK TO mms.

    Why don’t we celebrate his legacy which is truly brilliant….

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I fully agree that PV Narasimha Rao did not get credit for the courage he showed in taking the political decision to bring economic reforms in the country . Manmohan Singh had only done the job of implementing it , fixing the nuts and bolts.

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  • vijay kumar

    Outlook has given the transcripts of all the tapes. A lot of journalists and the COngress/ DMK have to
    explain a lot of things.

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    Ankit Reply:

    After having listened to the tapes on Outlook , there is a sense of extreme disappointment. It is extremely disconcerting to see that the neta-babu-media nexus has been royally ******** us for so long. The tapes are just of one person, Niira Radia. Imagine what all goes on everyday when these vultures talk with each other and make plans to loot our money.

    Have not felt so low in many months now. What a depressing scenario it is !

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Guys,
    I am not sure whether these tapes are true or not but it makes your blood boil when you hear these people talking-
    Barkha with Radia (allegedly)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqnAYhNafOg&feature=related

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  • http://- Rajeev
  • http://- Rajeev

    The timing of these leaks by Outlook is also suspect. Why did they leak it now? Why not when govt. formation was taking place after SHAM lok sabha election?

    I now feel that Voting machines were rigged and congress was brought to power by such dark forces.
    I also feel some BJP guys (who are Vibhishans of BJP) must be involved in this.

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  • Raju Kurien

    a silver lining in these may be that BJP will become ‘coruption free”, leverage this opportunity, and present itself as the credible country oriented national party to take the nation forward.

    Modi has said that if he were PM something like this would necver happen. (quite possible). However, our “secularists” like vinod, vir sanghvi etc will never let him . But may be now the game is changed.

    Or, did they do these to make him the king???? just a thought. One just does not know any more

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Raju

    ” BJP will become ‘corruption free” :

    I doubt. It has to start with axing Sushma Swaraj, who is the support system for Reddy brothers. I am not sure, BJP can go that far. Yadiyurappa is in fact a very small catch compared to corruptions of Reddy brothers. It is amusing, how Congress is trying to shield its USD 40 billion Spectrum scam and USD 8 billion CWG scam by comparing with USD 0.1 billion Bangalore land scam of BJP. At least in the third case, the lands have been returned. How will we get back money in first two cases?

    BJPs leader’s hesitation to sack Yediyurappa is understandable. He has earned his position not because of them, he got it by his work over decades. But then (looking at Uma Bharati), nobody is indispensable in politics. Only hope I find in the Yediyurappa case is, he is not ready to step down and go alone. He want to drag some more corrupt people (like Reddys) who always had been an obstrucle in his government. If he can pull them as well, Karnataka people would be ever thankful for him. Good riddance.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Sum and substance of the Affidavit filed by PMO before the SC

    Subrahmaniam Swamy wrote letters to PM from Nov 29 2008 to 5 October 2010.

    During this period the PMO took all actions as per law and procedures followed within PMO.

    ( As if requests for sanction to prosecute Cabinet Ministers was a regular feature with this PMO so elaborate rules were drawn up)

    Believe me friends this Affidavit will be a great revelation as to how the PMO of India works . Thfile was sent to Law Ministry who sent it to DOT who sent it to DOPT who sent to Joint Secy , who sent it to Director , to Under Secy to Section officer to UDC to LDC to Peon who sent it to PM who sent it Secy who then sent it to……………..

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  • Arun

    I have great respect for Mr Sharma (The editor),but i fail to understand why we are serious in compairing scandals rather as powerful person(which media is) we should try to eradicate and expose more powerfully continues writing on such scams is nessecary i know after writing 1 or 2 times you will forget them or u will be forced to forget it.The main focuse should be done to make a concensous to punish them comparing wont do any thing good to socity,

    Regards

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  • VIjay Kumar

    One big way of battling corruption would be by limiting the tenure of Prime Minister and State chief Ministers.

    If we look around the world we are a better democracy than most countries but worse than many. A lot of fuedal families of politicans have come up, making politics a family fiefdom.

    We should now

    1) LImit tenures of Chief Ministers and Prime MInister to a maximum of ten years. USA has 8 yrs for presidents. let it be ten years in India.

    This will still allow idiots to nominate surrogate PM’s and CM’s in terms of wives, children and husbands. We can go around this by having a law which allows all assets of these royal familis in public scrutiny. Some years back a government servant had to report every transaction over 10000 rupees to his office. Sadly we should get this law for our politicians now.

    2) Let us make financing of politi9cs a clean open affair. A big debate should happen. Byut that is the key to the whole thing,.

    As a start the oppositins lead by the BJP should stall the parliament till a JPC happens. In the Kargil coffin scam worth a measly 5 crores all the media and the COngress suddenly went whole hog against the BJP and stalled the parliament. I think BJP should returen this favour.

    3) My actual calulations are that the kickbacks to Raja are about 3000 crores. 122 licences given for a consideration of 25 crores each. But it could not have happened without congress consent. And the spoils have certainly been shared across party lines.

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    D Shri Vinod Sharma,

    Once again, we Indians have been taken for a royal ride (literally). You in the media have pooled all your resources in one great efort to prevent the finger of suspicion getting pointed at the queen mother, Sonia Gandhi, without whose consent and share in the booty the Raja scam or the CWG scam couldn’t have even been conceived. And I can see that you have succeeded totally. That she could close her eyes for four years during which the 70000 crore CWG scam operated or the 1.76 lac crore Raja scam looted the country is unimaginable.

    Therefore, I would expect you to show at least some common sense and begin to put the right kind of questions to the party (that you greatly admire) and seek the right answers.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    What should be the right (least corruption) system of govt? Is a US type presidential system with primaries (more focus on individuals) better than what we have (party based)?

    I sincerely believe that Modi will win a presidential type election, and we will be far bettr off witha Modi at the top.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    The Congress has developed a new strategy for combating corruption…

    It is called ” When caught with pants down— start shouting BJP BJP … RSS RSS” :D :D :D

    Unfortunatley there is nobody in the media who is willing to expose this COngress strategy !!

    The media is supposed to be dispassionate. Somehow it suddenly seems all so pro Congress and that is bad for the country

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    Rajeev Reply:

    BJP does exactly the same thing..It is time BJP behaved differently than congress and weed out all corrupt elements from it starting from Yeddy the arrogant SOB.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Pl stop pontificating and painting the entire media with the same brush. I take serious objection to you persistent insinuations without evidence or basis. Besides being a journalist, I am a free citizen of India. I have the right to hold my views insofar as I don’t misuse my position for personal benefit.
    You bring evidence against the people you accuse and see whether I publish them or not. Until then, keep your counsel.
    As for common sense, it is evident from you rantings that it isn’t all that common. :) )

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I wonder if there was anything wrong with making references to Late Shivani Bhatnagar , a co-journalist, in a discussion on ” Corruption in allotment of Spectrum by the Govt”

    I may be wrong in assuming that this reference was made to scandalize the discussion on this subject , based on loose talk indulged by the family members of the Prime Accused R K Sharma . The Accused have been convicted in the courts and their Appeals dismissed , but that could be a fact of little consequence..

    But was I wrong in making that assumption?

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Ankit,

    You are right, They are many vultures in India

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  • vijay kumar

    The BJP needs a new strategy for cultivating the media and a new way face for the people of India.

    Knowing the media pretty well, I can say that the English and HIndi channels based in Delhi are moved much by booze and good parties or by favours dealt to the business houses who own them or by personel favours doled out in terms of housing.

    Print journalists, especially are paid pretty badly. A friend who works for a Jaipur daily told me a salary figure which is less then that of a DTC bus driver in Delhi. Politicians therefore try to win them through gifts, loans or schemes for housing.

    In UP, whichever party comes to power– mayawati or Mulayam– immediately gives lands to housing societies of

    a) Government judges
    b)journalists

    Unfortunately the BJP cannot offer any favours to journalists as it is out of power. Even when it was in power in Karnataka it got entangled with the puritanicals like Muthalik and the anti -valentine’s day protest.

    And for people who know– there cannot be a bigger crime for an Indian journalist than getting his booze banned or his right to date snatched….

    I can bet my last rupee that if Modi were to banish prohibition from Gujarat and open some late night discos all over he would et the best press possible :D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Vajpayee’s forster-son-in-law Ranjan Bhattacharya is himself a Dalla…
    I have no hope in BJP or communists or anyone else.

    What India needs is political-Babu-Judiciary-Media cleansing…nothing else will work.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay,
    Have you seen, how after the tape leaks from Outlook, media has gone silent (compared to a week back) on 2G and other congress scams.
    I think Vinod Mehta pusblished transcripts of talks between Journos-Lobbyist to send a warning on behalf of BOSS (Sonia Gandhi) to all other journos to keep quiet or face music.

    Barkha and Vir being congress puppies will be saved by congress but these tapes are aimed at arm twisting journos who are really serious about exposing these scams.

    However I feel that the climax of these events will be very similar to “Jaane Bhi do Yaaron”…Congress-Outlook-Bakra Journos such as Barkha and Vir-Opposition will make a deal to bury these scams and we the people will be made a big FOOL..

    Seriously I have lost all hopes in Indian democracy…Saale sab bike hue hai..

    I have decided never to watch Barkha-Vir-Rajdeep…These people are curse to our nation because all they have been doing is feeding us propaganda from congress.

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    19 November 2010 Last updated at 09:59 ET
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    India flood control fund ’stolen’
    By Subir Bhaumik BBC News, Calcutta
    A minor girl paddles a country boat at Kakadhowa village in lower Assam, 100 kilometers (69 miles) west of Gauhati, India, Monday, July 6, 2009 Floods occur regularly in Assam
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    More than 70% of flood control funds in the Indian state of Assam have been “stolen” by politicians, officials and contractors, it is alleged.

    The farmer and workers union said it had used the freedom of information law to find that money had been “siphoned” from the $2.5bn relief budget.

    The government has not yet responded to the allegation.

    Floods in Assam usually occur during the monsoon season, which generally lasts from June to September.

    Millions are rendered homeless and deprived of livelihood as crops and properties are destroyed after the Brahmaputra river and other smaller rivers burst their banks and submerge scores of villages.

    Protective embankments built by the water resources department routinely collapse during floods.
    ‘Funds siphoned’

    The All Assam Shramik Krishak Kalyan Parishad (AASKKP), the largest union of farmers and workers in the state, said that more than $2bn had been allocated for flood control programmes in Assam since 2000.

    But not more than 30% of the money had been spent on flood control or anti-erosion measures, the union said.

    “We can say with certainty now that much of these funds have been siphoned off,” Baleswar Rongpi of the union said.

    He said that a federal investigation should examine the use of the funds.

    In Rohmaria area villagers have prevented the state-owned Oil India Limited (OIL) from lifting crude in their area for the last 10 years in protest against the government’s alleged failure to implement effective anti-erosion measures.

    They blame the loss of nearly 30 villages to the Brahmaputra river in their area.

    Assam’s water resources minister, Prithvi Majhi, who represents a constituency under which Rohmaria falls, was not willing to comment immediately – an official said the minister would “appropriately react” to the allegations at the right time.

    The report of missing funds in Assam follows a slew of corruption scandals in India in recent months.

    Last week federal telecommunications Minister A Raja resigned over claims he undersold mobile phone licences worth billions of dollars. He denies the claims.

    Earlier this month, Suresh Kalmadi, the Commonwealth Games organising committee chief, quit his post in the Congress party. He has been under investigation over claims of corruption at October’s sporting spectacular, and denies any wrongdoing.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Mumtaz Mir,

    below your burka i can see the size 11 oversized hairy feet of Azhar Hussain.

    Azhar, why dont you disappear from this site for some time. Sal has already disclosed that your ancestors were JEws. Why dont you ask Papa, ” ki aaisa kaam kyon kara….”

    You can keep fighting with Zal, while we Indians try to make our country better.

    Please drop out of this site for some time. Goodbye…

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    @Vijay aka Rajiv aka Rajeev

    Why are so annoyed and r u calling me Azhar Hussain

    Yes I am a proud Muslims and a Kashmiri period.

    I think ISI is making you people paranoid.

    AzAdi Azadi Not Azhar Azhar

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    I am calling u Azhar Hussan bcos u r Azhar Husain. Look Ajgar, Sal has called your grandad a Jew. SO waste your time bashing him up. Why bore us?

    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    Vijay

    When losers get irritated and cannot talk sense, that’s when name calling starts.

    I don’t care what you think, but we in Kashmir love the ISI.

    Only Sal can answer what he stated, but one thing is for sure you indians are losing the battle in my home land and Inshallah we will kick your behinds out of our State of Jummu and Kashmir.

    Azadi Azadi

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mumtaz,
    We are no mood to discuss pakistan.
    Get lost…

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Ajgar
    U may plan to kick our back… like a true Pakistamo. backstabbing is in ur blood. We will kick u in the front if u anger India too much. And u know where the kick in front will land :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @ RAJEEV

    Dont lose faith. I am always a perennial optimist. We need to strip the Congress and its chamachas to the kacha in case they try to bury this one.

    We have access to various websites. Let us hammer this fact in that the Congress has been caught incognito copulating with nation sellers.

    However…

    Remember that democracy is still the best way of survival. In fundamantalist Pakiatn a dissenter like Najam Sethis, Faiz Ahmed Faiz or the thousands improsened by cobra evil Gen Zia were tortured. While in communist China, supporters of truth are hanged.

    I think and pray that our law enforcing agencies become stronger that automatic action happens against the corrupt. Unfortunately the CBI is a handtool of the party inpower; the Supreme court is good at times. But can a normal case ever reach there? I mean of a police inpsector taking bribe??

    The issue comes down to punishing the big and mighty politicians so that they dont take bribe abd graft. Once they are punished they will ensure that the smaller guys in the bureaucracy dont to that… agar mantri ko rishwat nahi toh woh jealousy se bureaucrat ko bhi nahi lene dega…

    Simple logic.

    let us flood the websites in getting out all the evil people who supported Raja in this loot. But like always.. Jai Hind !!

    india comes first and last…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    We should seek answers from these losers who have sold their souls to congress.
    It is time Rajdeep is dragged to court for doing a U-Turn on broadcasting Vote-for-cash scam tapes.

    I have decided that I’ll make sure people known to me watch less and less of loser IBNlive and NDTV and totally boycott congress sandesh like Hindustan times.

    I respect Vinod sharma being overtly pro-congress and I do pray that he is not like Brakha or Vir.

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    Vinay Reply:

    Rahul Gandhi, during his election campaign in UP (2007) seems to have said “Had the Gandhi family been there in politics (in 1992), Babri Masjid demolition would not have taken place.”

    What his future statement could be? “Had the Gandhi family member been a PM, these scams would never have taken place”. (Never saw a single report by “any paper”, which points out at this family in the whole business. What efficiency in PR!) By the way, where is he going for next camping? Or his next train journey? Hope, they give the proper coverage.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinay,
    Both Maa-Beta are true beneficiary of this loot…Nothing moves in this govt. without their approval. It is time this Sonia-Sacrifice facade is brushed away and this dynasty should be taken to task for allowing mass looting of India.

    I am also very upset with BJP the way they are handling Yeddy…Their behaviour in the case of Karnataka scam does not inspire confidence.

    Let Corruption be tackled in non-partisan way but who would do it…Saaale sab ke sab chor hai…Lawyer, Army, Police, Judges, Netas, Babus, Journalists, Corporates…everyone is top class chor in our country…No wonder we have Nehru and Gandhi (Natakbaaz) as heroes not someone like Bose or Patel who were the real doers..

  • Praveen Saxena

    From the Press Reports on the Affidavit filed by PMO in the SC , it appears that the blame is being shifted from the PM to the officials in the Secretariat. As there is every likelihood of the SC asking for fixing of responsibility , in case the Affidavit succeeds in hoodwinking the bench that PM was personally not responsible, some govt officials shall take the blame and loose their jobs

    So a great reward awaits them for working under a PM who is the greatest Economist and the most honest PM India has ever seen. Even the Late Lal Bahadur Shastri or Atalji or Inder Kumar Gujral can learn a lesson or two in honesty, integrity and selflessness from Manmohan Singh and his Maalkin.

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  • VIjay Kumar

    You are right Praveen. There is something weird going on.

    Ultimately MMS cannot keep taking the stand that I am honest.. I am honest someone else is the thief. If he is helpless he should resign then.

    The point is he has been given charge of India and it his duty to catch the thief. You cant say that since I am dependent on the DMK I am helpless.

    Unfortunately few in the media are willing to articulate the passion and helplessness of the public.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    The SC has asked the government to explain how the CVC can function when he has a criminal case pending against him. Quite some time back the SC had laid down some guidelines with regard to appointment of CVC and Director CBI.
    For CVC the Leader of Opposition was to be consulted. In this case the Leader of Opposition had objected , on the same grounds but the Govt went ahead and said that the Leader of the Opposition was only to be consulted but was not bound to accept it.

    Now this was the great statesman ship shown by the Great PM of India. He could not find another person to be CVC in the country. It is so obvious they only wish to appoint the compromised. Now a tainted CVC will toe the govt line in the appointment of the Director CBI , because he has a role there.

    This PM had no qualms in bringing Mani Shankar Iyer thru the route of 12 persons to be nominated to the Rjya Sabha from the fields of Art , Culture, Literature. He had no qualms in appointing as a Minister in his Cabinet. Next time a Mulayam Singh or a Lalu wil fill all 12 posts through tpoliticians.

    But the apologists of the Congress in the Media shall not say that the path was shown by the Congress.

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  • Arun Khrishnamurty

    I am glade we discussing the true India that we know and love.

    Now lets make it Pakistan Free & Islamphobia Free

    Darbari sings, blames Suresh Kalmadi for CWG fraud

    November 22, 2010First Published: 16:55 IST(22/11/2010)
    Last Updated: 17:00 IST(22/11/2010)Share more…Comments Tweet Email print
    TS Darbari, an aide of Commonwealth Games organizing committee (OC) chairman Suresh Kalmadi, on Monday said that he had no role to play in the CWG fraud. Blaming Suresh Kalmadi, Darbari said that the decision to award contract was approved by the OC chairman. He also accused Kalmadi and former deputy director general Sanjay Mohindroo for the AM Films fraud.

    A day after the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) arrested close aides of Commonwealth Games organizing committee chairman Suresh Kalmadi in corruption cases related to the Queen’s Baton Relay in London, both the accused told the investigating agency and a city court that they “were following instructions from the top”.

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  • Anonymous

    “But more on that later.”

    Don’t bother. Your writing is even worse than Ayn Rand.

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  • Anonymous

    Maybe is not so much an obituary as an attempt to feel better by trashing someone who is not around to defend himself.

    Would have been better if you actually had facts to support your case, but then lack of facts have never bothered people like you.

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  • Anonymous

    You are in the habit of writing “SHIT”. It’s time we call you, “SHUT”.

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  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/NJgNuLUmq5Itz8Qd3ypKBXkOQ8Uh#8a5a0 ashok

    Sharmila Tagore, convinced Dev Anand wore a wig, once tugged his hair hard on the sets and felt very sheepish when it stayed firmly on his head.

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  • Anonymous

    What was the point of this article ?? I fail to understand. There is nothing to agree or disagree — but you wrote a piece about someone in the vain that simply isn’t suitable for the mood. I would’ve read this piece another time and wouldn’t have minded. I don’t have any reason to suspect your interactions with Dev saab and the contents you divulged. But, is this the time to write this?

    I stopped watching his movies after Johny Mera naam — I was more of a Dilip Kumar fan from that era. But I still admire Dev Anand for who he was, Alert, active, trying to reinvent himself and always trying keep pace with the time. His presence and ego never bothered anyone, because he was Dev saab. There is something so special about him. I didn’t like his acting but I liked his films; there must be something about him that even I didn’t understand has drawn me to his films.This is the charm of a man that masses followed in 50s, 60s and 70s; but he managed to keep that image fresh in our minds till his last breadth. Salute Dev Saab!!

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  • Anonymous

    Dev Anand (1923-2011) WIP (from now on – Work in Peace)

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  • http://nuclearsupremacyforindiaoverus.blogspot.com Satish Chandra

    Indians as a rule are inferior Indian nig gers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his ‘Mein Kampf’ Adolf Hitler said “As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else”. It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that. //

    A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them). //

    I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches. //

    When I say the new Chief of Air Staff, N. A. K. Browne, is a CIA-RAW man, I mean he literally sits at CIA-supplied terminals to participate in crimes against India. More than a thousand Indian Air Force aircraft have crashed since 1970, the vast majority of the crashes caused by microwaves from U. S. satellites which can hack into and operate any digital equipment. In his first week in office as Chief of Air Staff, Browne caused two Indian Air Force fighter planes to crash with microwaves from satellites, to give a boost to his bid to buy worse than worthless foreign aircraft for several tens of billions of dollars of which he will get a hefty cut along with the Defence Minister and the Italian woman who gets the largest cut. When Kapil Sibal — who also sits at CIA-supplied terminals to commit crimes against India — says offensive material will be removed by the government, he means it will be done – and is being done by CIA & RAW to U.S., Indian & other media — using microwaves from U. S. satellites. See IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom . //

    On November 20, 2009 I wrote (see my blog): “While RAW has always been a branch of the C.I.A., the Tamil traitor-enemy Chidambaram has made other Indian intelligence agencies branches of the United States intelligence agencies, bringing in U.S. equipment to India to enable comprehensive real-time monitoring and interception ability for the U.S. of all communications in India, a comprehensive and total censorship power to the United States of not only what gets into the Indian media of all kinds [for example, CIA-RAW can block, partially block, alter or remove communications -- not just comments -- to news media at will and in real time and does it all the time; it can and does also alter the content of web pages, for example, published news reports] but even communications between individuals, bringing India into a colonial grip of and slavery to the United States such as has never been seen in human history. None of this will be allowed, no nuclear deal in any form, no IAEA inspections of any kind of anything in India, no guards of honour, no state dinners, no representing India for C.I.A.-RAW operatives.” //

    November 17, 2011: Integrated Circuit chips made in the United States are required to provide for access to the United States National Security Agency so it can monitor and take control of their operations at will. Components and electronic equipment from the United States should be absolutely “haram”; far from lamenting ‘technology denial’, equipment from the United States should be rejected even if it is offered on a platter and free of charge as I have said. India’s bought-up Defence, Atomic Energy, Space and other officials deliberately close their eyes to this threat. This also applies to U. S.- made civilian aircraft, for example. There are two hundred thousand Indian engineers and scientists working in Research & Development for foreign companies in India but instead of putting its money in Research & Development ( in my letter dated January 5, 2004 to the press — see my blog — I had suggested one million Research & Development workers in India in government-sponsored projects), India’s CIA-RAW government buys foreign equipment in all fields to keep India poor, weak and enslaved. India’s government lends hundreds of billions of dollars to the U. S. government in exchange for worthless U. S. paper but seeks foreign investment and World Bank loans for projects in India, giving ownership and control of India to India’s enemies, despite the unlimited capital available to India by simply printing the money; see ‘How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More’ in my blog; as is described there, the United States has been applying my proposal about money by stealth and now also openly but Manmohan Singh refuses to do so because this bug ger — a CIA appointee — does what serves the United States’, not India’s, interests. //

    I had asked the Indian Army to arrest the top one thousand or so officers of RAW. It has not done so. But, as I have said, India’s nuclear forces obey Satish Chandra. He does not need India’s conventional forces or the rest of the government and citizenry to defend India which requires the destruction of RAW which will be done by nuclear means, that is, the simultaneous nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York, with a warning that additional U. S. cities will be destroyed, with nuclear warheads already emplaced in them by special forces, if there is any retaliation. //

    I am India’s expert in strategic defence, the father of India’s strategic program including the Integrated Guided Missile Development Program and the world’s greatest scientist (my biography can be found in Marquis’ Who’s Who in the World, 2011 and earlier editions); for more on the subject above see ‘What You Should Know About RAW’ in my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U. S.’ which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title. //

    Satish Chandra

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  • Anamika

    Do get well, but take your time doing so – and read lots of books in the meanwhile :) My favourite books when I’m sick are ‘My family and other animals’ (it’s such a happy happy book), ‘Matilda’ and yes ‘The Cat in the Hat’. I know that makes me sound like I’m all of 10 years old, but so be it. It just feels so nice to have these books on my bedside table. And a couple of Wodehouse and Hercule Poirot complete the pile :)

    Hope you’re enjoying the sick period :)

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    Kushal Reply:

    Oh I’m better and back at the office now, Anamika, but thank you. Just have the remnants of a deathbed cough that scares the bejabbers out of my colleagues, but that’s all. Your sick list is LOVELY. I know what you mean about ‘My Family’. My other comfort books are Daddy-Long-Legs by Jean Webster and 84 Charing Cross Road by Helene Hanff. Ever read those?

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    masha Reply:

    Daddy Long Legs is AMAZING!! It’s such a lovely book.. Oooh!! And Prisoner of Zenda.. Too bad all these books are in our Calcutta house collecting dust.. Bookstores these days just don’t stock those good old books.. It’s all Hannah Montana etc.. :(

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    Kushal Reply:

    I used to love Swiss Family Robinson as a sickness comfort book too.

  • Kushal

    Oh, this is a really good book, Masha. My heart was in my throat throughout and even though I prefer cats to dogs, I was so happy when all the dogs found homes.

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  • ALBAAB123

    Its not Religious but power war is defaming Islam. All these Leaders are Muslims by name only. If they would have followed the teaching of Holy Quran & Holy Prophet
    of Islam. They will never have seen the bloody war & destruction in the Muslims countries.

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  • Rajesh Sarrin

    Thanks again for a great insight…

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  • http://thepoliticalopportunist.blogspot.com/ abhishek sharma

    The Shia – Sunni conflict has ages in making and Americans leaving Gulf will only exacerbate the conflict which is turning bloodier.

    Iran is natural ally of USA. Sounds too good to be true. It was indeed before the Iranian revolution. However, today Iranians, the Mullahdom supporting USA is unthinkable. BTW, great analysis.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Pure politics which smacks of imperial designs of Israel, Iran and Saudi Arabia, Israelis feels threatened by Iran and so do the Saudis. However, the seemingly powerful forces of Zionism and Wahabism do not enjoy much support at the ground level. If the US is to leave the Gulf, both the Saudi royal family and the zionists would be dismantled within a few years by their own people. That is why Ahmedinejad keep saying that Israel would cease to exist in 20 years from now – not because somebody is going to destroy it but due to the fact that Jews would find the Zionists as no more relevant after the departure of the US and so do most Saudis would find that Wahhabism is neither the body nor soul of Islam.

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