Obama-speak



President Barack Obama has proved skeptics wrong. He made all the noises we wanted to hear: support for a permanent seat in the UNSC, lifting curbs on dual-use technology exports, cooperation in homeland security and membership of restrictive multilateral treaties and organizations such as the Nuclear Suppliers Group.

He refrained from naming Pakistan in Mumbai or at the press conference he jointly addressed in Delhi with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. The reference came in his nationally televised address to a joint sitting of Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha.

Amid thumping of desks by his audience in the Central Hall of Parliament House, he said the US will insist with Pakistan that cross border terrorism wasn’t acceptable; that the Mumbai attackers must be brought to justice.

At another point in the same speech, he described it as a barbaric attack: “9/11 and 26/11 are the bond we share. We will never waiver in the defense of our people. We are working together to prevent such terrorist attacks.”

Skeptics might dismiss the statement as ritualistic. They’d do better if they read it with the typically Indian imageries the President invoked together with high tributes to Mahatma Gandhi, Rabindranath Tagore, Bhimrao Ambedkar and Swami Vivekanand. He held parliamentarians and TV watchers in thrall for a little over half and hour. But for the values that Gandhi preached and embodied, he said, he wouldn’t be where he is today — the United States’ first Afro-American President.

Before Obama mentioned upfront his frontline ally in the war against terror, Manmohan Singh had let it be known at the press conference that while India wasn’t scared of engaging with Pakistan on all issues, notably Kashmir, talks and support for terrorism cannot go together.

It wasn’t surprising that Obama’s reference to Pakistan was within permissible diplomatic limits. He couldn’t have disturbed his administration’s equation with Islamabad merely to play to the gallery in India. A stronger public rebuff could have made him less effective in his dealings with Pakistan.

What’ll hurt Islamabad more are the goodies he has promised India. They’d make us self-reliant over time in dealing with cross-border threats. A more objective analysis of Obama-speak would be that while he mentioned Pakistan by name, he only alluded to the K-word to make it clear that the US could help settle the dispute only if the two parties agreed.

He told an American journalist — who described Kashmir as a flashpoint —that India and Pakistan could take an incremental approach. They could start with less complicated issues rather than on that “particular flashpoint.”

On the substantive side, Obama’s visit has enhanced India’s international stature. Cooperation with the American Homeland Security will help us guard better our land, air and sea frontiers, check infiltration and bust sleeper terror cells. Together with better political and economic management in Kashmir, it will enhance New Delhi’s confidence to deal with regional issues.

In return, the US will get access to the Indian market whose infrastructure needs are valued at $ 3 trillion over the next five years. The quid pro quo will work if Obama quickly translates his thoughts into action.

Indians have waited long enough. They aren’t willing to wait any more for what the US President termed as “defining partnership” of the 21st century.

PS: Keeping all our eggs in the US basket will not be wise. Let’s prepare to receive Russia’s Medvedev, China’s Wen Jiabao and France’s Sarkozy with equal gusto.

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  • vijay kumar

    Nice article Vinod.

    Being an optimist, I had started worrying that the Indian media in the need for ball to ball coverage and eyeballs would end up killing this opportunity as well. And the initial coverage WAS a bit negative.

    The very fact that NDTV got in Mani “silencer” Aiyar on a panel discussion and like a jealous child who spouts lies for attention he tried to do a CWG on this too. But I think we did NOT fall into the trap leftist idiots in the press were creating.

    In the end, this is about India and America jointly patrolling an area which has dictatorial communism emnating from the remains of Maoist failed ideologies and Islamic terrorism originating from a collabration between fanatic Pakistan and USA. We need to now cleverly get USA to target Pakistan and its evil ISI and jehad machinery.

    And we need to become the greatest manufacturing supplier to the USA like China is. Unfortunately our leftist DO NOT recognise that Communist China USES THEM so that India’s manufacturing and export sector suffers. While China itself keeps exporting more and more using foreign capital.

    U think we need to move forward from here 

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    Rajesh Reply:

    Fully agree with the comments made above. Leftists as well as Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar were shown their place in the last elections. Unfortunately, they seem to be unwilling/unable to understand the people’s voice. Today’s India does not need their backward looking negative spiel. I hope our media gets out of the discourse that these leftist so-called intellecuals have forced upon us over the last 60 years.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Rajesh,

    The left always needed instructions from China. They would want us fight the USA as they feel the US is against China.

    While their “papaa ji” China, just uses them to ensure that India does not get foreign capital or export to the world as it clashes with that of CHina.

    And China just laughs behind their back and keeps exporting more and more to the US.

    What a bunck of jokers…

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  • Rajiv

    The speech and the policy positions articulated were more substantative than I had expected.

    So the visit was better than expected in my view.

    Congratulations to the Indian and American administration for making it a success.

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  • vijay kumar

    There are right wing bodies in the US , lead by Robert Blackwill. They have already tossed up the idea of dismembering Pakistan, in case it does not punish and eradicate the jehadi machinery in the next year or so.

    I think the Indian foreign office or maybe Indians living in the US should start financing these study circles and academic discussions on why and how the world may need to punish Pakistan by making it a three piece suit, in case it does not change (And it will not)

    Along with tri-furcation of Kashmir, the need to tri-furcate Pakistan nat also be necessary :D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    “Along with tri-furcation of Kashmir, the need to tri-furcate Pakistan nat also be necessary ”

    This is what I have been advocating all the time but I think second part needs to be done first then we may not need the first one.

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    Saarthak Reply:

    This should have been done ages ago, but with Pakistan now a rogue state with nuclear weapons, it might just blow them up all over in frustration if another division happens. Meanwhile, you guys should read Nadeem F Paracha’s brilliant satire aimed at the gullible people of the country who are ever ready to believe in conspiracy theories – http://blog.dawn.com/2010/11/05/dr-q-t-khans-concise-history-of-pakistan-pt-1/

    NFP is a national asset of Pakistan but few Pakistanis realize it.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I think, Obama has delivered promises (words of lame duck president) whereas India has delivered contracts (money & jobs).
    As always Indians have been won by empty words…Jai Ho..

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  • ravibora

    “But for the values that Gandhi preached and embodied, he said, he wouldn’t be where he is today — the United States’ first Afro-American President.”……….

    ahhhhh…..horror after horror for the RSS :D
    :D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D……..

    where are you fellas hiding, by the way?????????
    oh wait…….no………..there’s a new style of countering these comments,
    isn’t obama a muslim, a terrorist, a jehadi, a black guy????????his words don’t hold water, right…… :D :D:D:D:D……………..

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  • nileshdixit

    “But for the values that Gandhi preached and embodied, he said, he wouldn’t be where he is today — the United States’ first Afro-American President.”……….

    ahhhhh…..horror after horror for the RSS :D

    haha….good one

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  • S Khan

    I think indians cannot get rid of the slave mentality they are in, perhaps because they remained slaves for such a long period. It s better for you to think about feeding your 400 million souls, hardly finding any thing to push down their stomachs. It will be a better pass time than to wish for dismembering of Pakistan. However, it was really good to know about the wishful thinking of the Indians as posted in the comments in your blog.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    ok

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    M.Srinath Reply:

    S. KHAN’s suggestion on shedding slavish mentality is welcome. I hope he is not suggesting we should push the begging bowl with gun held to our head like our western neighbour!

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    S Khan Reply:

    Are you suggesting that India has thrown away her begging bowl? This is a good and welcome news for me…. I hope Obama has returned with his wrest watch on his hand.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Khan

    Obama would have certainly returned with his wrist watch and also dollars given by Indians in shape of orders which will create jobs in the US. :)

    And of course Pakistanis should check out their hands which would have become all yellow… cleaning the bottoms of all the countries in the United Nation, as they begged the world for aid, pretending they are fighting terrorists which they themselves create… ;B

    :D :D :D

    Rajeev Reply:

    He returned with US 15 billion contract..Whereas you live hand to mouth thanks to aid given by US and China.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Look who is talking…the one who go around with begging bowls..

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @K Khan,
    The only slavish thugs left in the sub-continent are of
    Saudi-Chinese tutelage , drone-ruled, Jinnah-Taleban inspired, ISI controled Pakistanis like you , who are finding it tough to keep the 1/2 of what is left of Jinnah’s moth eaten, saudi-ideology inspired entity !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Kushagra

    There is no doubt that there are some signficant steps taken to consolidate Indo – US relationship.

    However, Obama’s speech has been a masterful study in the art of flattery. Indians simply love flattery! anytime anywhere! Reading Obama’s text of speech gives an impression as if India is the pinnacle of world. Some of his words are too good to be true.

    Just picking one extract of his speech – “And as part of our food security initiative, we’re going to share India’s expertise with farmers in Africa. This is an indication of India’s rise – that we can now export hard-earned expertise to countries that see India as a model for agricultural development.”

    Its ironical that in a country where a farmer suicides every day is being hailed as a model for agriculatural development.

    Read through his speech I found it amazing how all it needs is bit of flattery to enamour a whole nation.

    With regards to mention of Pakistan, we must wait untill Obama reaches Pakistan, with no surprise they will be using the same flattery tricks with Pakistan and all strong words spoken in India about terror would soon be forgotten.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @Kushagra,

    The bottomline is we need to be smart and nimble footed. NObody throws largesse at you and there is nothing like a free lunch.

    In case India has a vision of what it wants and starts achiveing it, things become much simpler. Unfortunately in the fight between Congress and BJP a lot of the vision thing is lost; and the media in the need of ball by ball commentry needs a sensation every minute.

    However in case we look further at the possibilty of India

    a) Exporting more manufactured goods to the USA and thus creating more prosperity and employment here

    b) Getting on to the global stage so that we can be dominent in trade and muscle as well as goodwill

    c) Combating the evil forces of terror by fanatics in our neighbourhood

    I think we have moved ahead with this visit. Let us consolidate on the positives.

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    Kushagra Reply:

    You are right. I agree with you

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Bhaiyon yeh blog abhi tak itna thanda kyuun hai. Vinod babu bhi lagta likh kar hai thakan mita rahe hain.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ S Khan

    shut the f*ck up worthless arsehole.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @ S Khan

    Don’t mind this Old **** Called Paritosh, all he does is F A R T from his month on this blog…Thats his role and he does it well…..He is from Saffron High school…

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    S Khan Reply:

    I wish he doesn’t sleep on a gutter.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    gutter = pakistan or Mecca..

  • Vinay

    @Rajeev, Kushagra
    Obama while supporting India’s bid for permanent seat in UN SC has mentioned “Increased power comes with increased responsibility”. During the speech, he has remarked that India has to meet “international obligations” with reference to Iran. He also expected India to take a stand on Myanmar and condemn the military regime. I would like to know, how did US act in Tienanmen Square Massacre or Uyghurs in XinJiang. Everyone watches the action of powerful but nobody will act. One will only react, with some words. China knows it best.

    What is there to gain by having a seat in SC? Germany doesn’t have a seat. UK, France have. Who is more influential among them in world economy? Our dream is to become superpowers in economy not military. For that, we need to borrow technology and exchange of scientific idea (and that culture) from US. Becoming a “world monitor” might boost our image but does nothing to improve our economic status. India should have insisted more on technological investments rather than image boosting words. End of the day, what have we got? Some praises and some promises.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinay,
    I totally agree with your analysis.
    1. The US is still supporting dictators in Saudi, Pakistan (Kayani) and China for different reason. What Obama meant by responsibility was that India should align its foreign policy with US just like UK.
    2. The current UN is basically non-functioning body. It is run by P-5 who are still stuck in World War II days. The UNSC should be reformed and each continent should be represented adequately based on population (prime factor) + economy. Why should there be two seats for European countries (UK & France) in UNSC? The EU shoule be give just one permanent seat.

    I am not too happy about tangiable gains from Obama’s visit. It was basically high on promise and most of the promises such as UNSC and NSG seat are undoable for forseeable future. We Indians get fallttered by some praised heaped on Gandhi, our democracy and culture which makes us emotional fools who always lose in diplomatic negotiations.
    For god’s sake let us not carried away. All Indians are proud of Gandhi and his ideas but it is time to move on. Not all of Gandhi’s ideas are practical in current secenario. He was no prophet but just a cunning, partly honest and hugely popular politician who avoided bloodshed between Indians and British. The west respects him for saving British lives rather than his non-violence ideology.
    Gandhi is not India..The Idea of India is ever evolving and much greater than millions of Gandhi put together.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Vinay – You reflected on an interesting point on US’s stand on Tienanmen Square Massacre and Uyghurs in XinJiang. They would never dare to raise this issue with China.

    @Rajeev – As always you have raised some pertinent points.

    We all know US being a global political and economic superpower, its stand in world’s politics matter and is taken very seriously by virtue of its position. Therefore, it is surprising why many political commentators were so averse to those who criticised or questioned Obama for not referring Pakistan at 26/11. After all, who did it? Pakistan has a state policy to bleed India with thousand cuts. Much of their evil designs they are trying to achieve is from the dole offerred by the US to Pak. Therefore, India has a legitimate right in asking and even applying pressure on US to make its stand clear on Pak.

    It was just not acceptable that Obama could go to 26/11 site on a state visit and not condemn the people who were directly responsible for the gruesome massacre because they happen to be their ally. If US was so scared to offend Pak, why did Obama visit 26/11?

    And why are we scared to ask tough questions from US who concealed Hadley’s prior information on 26/11 attack with India? How does questions on our concern of protecting our citizens hurt India’s business interests? Didn’t US mention Iran? Because US perceive Iran as threat to US’s security therefore US is not shy to condemn it at every international forum, however India’s own self stylised political commentators raise eyebrows on those who put forward India’s security threat from Pakistan to the US publically.

    Thankfully, better sense prevailed within US delegation and in the last leg Obama endorsed India’s concern of Pakistan’s state sponsered t-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-m.

    Though, mere words may not mean much, however it just vindicates India’s position in geo-politics of the region.

    International diplomacy is about understanding each other’s interests and make compromises, however there can be no compromise when it comes to terror. India is a growing economic power, it must be assertive in protecting its people from the rogue neighbourhood we have a misfortune to deal with.

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji
    Please allow me to say that the media for once covered the visit of President Obama quite aggressively. Earlier it looked as if the visit being too hyped by the media and even desirability of covering it in 24X7 mode. But while President Obama was very careful in the first two days of his visit to avoid the “P” word during any exchange, but he felt it to be unavoidable going by the way the girl student confronted him with a direct question related to terrorism from Pakistan. It seems the monitoring of his advisors, public pressure and the media hype rather forced him to course correction and say more directly something which our public was anxious to listen. I feel he has done it in a highly diplomatic way and only repeated about the UNSC seat and prosecuting the perpetrators of 26/11 in the Parliament. That was more important than said at anyother place, as it a commitment to our Parliament. Do you think his statement about UNSC seat is a commitment or he was only welcoming it when ever it happened over many years when UN reforms would ever take place? Your views ?
    Sir, the difference is that USA is paying at least 2 billion dollars every year to Pakistan for the lease of Pakistan territory for Afghanistan war., on the other hand he is doing business deals worth many billions to create jobs in USA. Is n’t it a miraculous turn around when about two decades back, India had mortgaged its gold reserves so as not to default on its loan payment, the USA is sort of marketing to sell for hard cash with the same country for business and jobs. In this context, it is not surprising that he chose not to go to Pakistan and no body can blame our country for this decision..
    Yes, your contributions to tv discussions were also for once a music to our ears going the way you took positions vis-a-vis Pakistan.
    Regards
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BNA
    On the permanent UNSC seat, he said that in the years to come, he looked forward to India getting there. In pure diplomatic language, this is support for our bid before our Parliament. Think the US will not be able to go back on it.
    But in so promising, Obama also put us on probation — urging us to be more upright on Burma (where we are in a turf war with China for energy resources and therefore soft on the junta) and Iran (where we oppose sanctions and favour dialogue)— for the two years we will occupy the non-perment seat. So the US support is kind of conditional.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma
    Sir
    Is n’t it a sort of overbearing attitude for the US to suggest that we have to do this or that in dealing with world? Why not to leave it to us to decide to take a stand keeping our national interests in mind? That is how every country takes decisions . Yes, if there is a mandate from UN with regard to certain sanctions against any country and which all the member nations have to follow, that we can understand and can go along. Even Chinese voted for the sanctions in UNSC against Iran. Our country had also voted against Iran in Vienna. So what is the problem and why we have to be reminded? President Obama was really and unnecessarily very harsh when he said while addressing the joint session of Parliament that India shies away from its responsibility while not speaking against the military janta in Myanmar.
    Yes, with power, one have to assume responsibilities. I think our country has to be more bold and confident to match with the growing status it has acquired simply because of its own value to the world. Do you not agree?
    Thanks for your response.
    Regards
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BNA
    Diplomacy is about give and take. You take some, you give some (assurances, promises and votes). Obama isn’t in the business of charity. In fact, no head of state is. When we make demands, we must be prepared to concede demands as well.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BNA
    Thoughtless valour will not help. Smart thinking is the sole way forward.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma
    Yes Sir, I agree with you.
    It has also been a rare situation where Democrats, Republicans and now again Democrats think alike in terms of our country. Besides other factors, I feel it was the IT revolution( when silicon valley was lined up all the way by Indian companies and software engineers) which changed and tilted Uncle Sam’s ( now interestingly referred to as cousin Sam wrt to India) perception about our country.
    Regards
    BNA

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinodji,
    We were toeing US line on Burma and what happened in Burma? China courted Burma and got a foothold both economically and Militarily in Burma (same thing is happening in Sri Lanka). We realised that China was getting foothold in Burma so we changed our policy towards Burma to serve our OWN INTERESTS. Why should we toe US line when it never listens to India’s concern on Pakistan and China? The US govts. have supported murderous regimes around the work for its own benefit. The current US support for Pakistan, China and Saudi (all three dictatorships) is not very different from our support to Burma.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajeev
    I completely agree. We must do what suits our national interest. Obama mentioned it because his job is to serve US interests. We are in Burma to secure our north eastern borders with that country and not allow China-backed groups a free run of the place, not to mention sole access to Burma’s
    energy resources.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sharma,
    I am pleased that we have finally agreed on something. India is too big a country to play a lackey of any nation.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vinod Sharma
    @Rajeev
    Please include me as well to agree with both of you. Why USA is not doing more in support of the latest Noble Peace laureate ? We can understand. It is because of national interests involved. Then the Tiananmen square massacre is still fresh in everyone’s mind.
    BNA

  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    The one simple point is – We need to be clear in our minds that US will walk an extra mile to strengthen economic relationship with India as it suits their domestic interest and turning a blind eye on Pakistan’s export of terror to India as it doesn’t serve their national interest.

    Rest all we hear in eloquent speeches is jargon, political niceties and diplomatic obligations.

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  • M.Srinath

    Mr Sharma hit the nail when he suggested we shouldn’t be keeping all our eggs in US basket. I might add in any basket. International diplomacy is getting murkier by the day in a fiercely competitive environment. Our ‘alignments’ should be shaped on the basis of issues and long-term national interests should be the bottomline. Obama is doing his job well. When he visits Islamabad next year, his speech will be laced with quotes from Iqbal & Qaid.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Sharma is right about the eggs…According to me we should keep all eggs in our basket and give out to others when its serves our OWN INTEREST. We need to behave like nation of 1 billion people. I think India is like an elephant who doesn’t know its own size/strength and considers itself as POSSUM (lifted from Ice Age 2).

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  • Arun Khrishnamurty

    READ “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” by John Perkins and you understand what we good from Obama:

    “That is what we EHMs do best: we build a global empire. We are an elite group of men and women who utilize international financial organizations to foment conditions that make other nations subservient to the corporatocracy running our biggest corporations, our government, and our banks. Like our counterparts in the Mafia, EHMs provide favors. These take the form of loans to develop infrastructure —electric generating plants, highways, ports, airports, or industrial parks. A condition of such loans is that engineering and construction companies from our own country must build all these projects. In essence, most of the money never leaves the United States; it is simply transferred from banking offices in Washington to engineering offices in New York, Houston, or San Francisco.

    Despite the fact that the money is returned almost immediately to corporations that are members of the corporatocracy (the creditor), the recipient country is required to pay it all back, principal plus interest. If an EHM is completely successful, the loans are so large that the debtor is forced to default on its payments after a few years. When this happens, then like the Mafia we demand our pound of flesh. This often includes one or more of the following: control over United Nations votes, the installation of military bases, or access to precious resources such as oil or the Panama Canal. Of course, the debtor still owes us the money—and another country is added to our global empire.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Arun KHrishnamurty ;)

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Lol@ He is not even good at faking :D

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  • Mahesh

    Sharmaji,

    Let us parse a bit Obama’s visit.
    Our “stated” gains :
    1> UNSC Seat ……
    My Question : What is it going to achieve for us ? No, Seriously…. what ? I still don’t get it.Am I missing something here ?
    2> Obama’s “P” word utterances …..
    My Question : Again, is this improving our security situation anyhow at all ? BTW, I must mention Tushar Gandhi’s sentiments about Obama’s not uttering the “P” word first two days – are we so unsure about our own tragedies and problems that it takes Obama to vindicate our sentiments and sense of injustice ? What difference has it made ? What difference is it going to make ?
    3> Mahatma Gandhi as source of Obama’s inspiration…..
    Huh ? Really ? What about Gitmo then ? What about the continued and increased spending by Pentagon’s Military Industrial Complex ? And MOST IMPORTANTLY, why the ambassadorship for the Defence Industry ? Is it a coincidence that a larger chunk of Trade deals were Defence related ? Does this – even remotely – appear Gandhian at all ?
    4> The “K” Word……
    BTW, in not so distant past – if you may please recall – Obama had made a statement to the effect of Chinese being a arbiter in Indo-Pak dispute over Kashmir. Against this back-drop the current stand reeks of Opportunism. Opportunism – mostly born out of need for containing Chinese.
    While at it – I have a comment for Kashmiri seperatists frequenting and commenting on this blog. It is OK to voice your dissidence, your problems , your misgivings, your mistrust about the Indian state. But, fellas, if you are really looking for a independant country – think again. You may actually be playing into the hands of something much more terrible. And yes, your problems have less to with Islam and Hinduism. Actually, those of us from India who are looking at Kashmir situation from
    “neutral perspective” are somewhat worried about the communal backlash the Muslims might face in the event of severence of Kashmir. But never mind, as of now the Hindus and Muslims of the rest of India appear to be more pre-occupied with their day-to-day issues.

    I could go on and on. But let us atleast debate these four points. Rest all can be debated later.

    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Mahesh
    We can debate these but only after analysing his other promises: liberalised exports of dual-use technologies, Indian integration with multilateral regimes set up originally to deny us technologies, cooperation in homeland security and the promise of permanent UNSC membership.
    Don’t you think that our economy will grow higher and faster with technological input? If we are able to simultaneously address alienation in Kashmir with pro-actrive political and economic steps, we would arrive on the international stage much ahead of schedule. But for that, we would need the right political culture and honesty of purpose. The political class and the people at large will have to work really hard to make that happen.

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  • Mahesh

    Addendum to earlier comment…….
    Obama did speak about “co-operation” in Agriculture Sector – anybody following on this Sector ? Please feel free to add some inpute.
    IMHO, Obama’s so called “co-operation” in Agri. sector was for the Agriculture (Actually, Farm…) MNCs to open up the India agriculture sector. A disaster for Indian farmers – even at their sub-par farm output.
    Anybody following on this topic – Please feel free to post your comments here.
    Thanks,
    Mahesh.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    The problem with some Indian obstructionists is that they assume the worst of others intentions as a mirror to their non-action. The entire Indian left and many callous politicians like Mamata Bannerjee etc have built a career around obstructing any progress.

    In agriculture sector we can co-operate a lot. But the countries together define what is mutually beneficial and find an acceptable middle ground.

    The poor Indian farmer can actually benefit a lot if the Indio-US co-operation in agricultural infrastructure was built around
    1. increasing the yield by better farm practices and
    2. Safer and faster procurement of the produce to minimize the monumental loss that the farm sector and farmers suffer from lack of food processing and freezing facilities .

    In fact, one of the top most priority of the government should be to build the infrastructure that reduces pilferage and damage to agricultural produce and to enhance procurement with a eye to eliminate the middle-man and bring the farmer closer to the consumer.

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  • S george

    Sharmaji or Be (Sharmaji),

    Any chance of you writing a article on state of corruption in Maharashtra.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ SKhan and Azhar

    i request both of you to understand your damn worth and accept the very fact that Pakistan and its people are something that we can actually call a gutter.

    any ways , Pakistanis and their country are of course the sewer lineof the world , factory of terorism

    by the way , Azhar please carry on with you mouth c r a p i n g , that you are doing since joining the blog

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Skkhan and Azhar are here to prove every day why Jinnah’s moth eaten Pak entity is a gutter.
    I am sure they will continue to do that.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    the biggest mistake that we make is trivialising our interests in the internationbal political sphere. despite of our experiences with the US we tend to trust them and hence sacrifice our interests.

    this was inevitable that Obama was only intersted in generating jobs for the US. the question is , what did India get in return?? Obamadoesnt either suppoert India bid for permanent seat in the UNSC and neither accepts that Pakistan sponsors terrorism , thats state sponsored terrorism.

    this is the result of of the naive attitude and appeasement mentality out the Indian hegemony

    by the way did anyone of you notice the way , the Indian media had created a hype and fanfare over Obam’s visit?? today Sagarika Ghose has written an article in HT regarding the “importance of the US to India”

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    Paritosh Reply:

    typo “naive attitude and appeasement mentality of the Indian hegemony”

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    50 years ago the SC permanent member seat with full powers was offered to us on a platter, but our great leader, who was on his life’s greatest mission of doing good to China refused the offer. Why do we now need a tooth-less, second class seat on the high table of a toothless UNSC? If Pakistan can blackmail the whole world with its terror factories, why yearn for a dubious prestige promised by Obama with a post dated heque?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @BV Shenoy
    Most Indians do no share your pessimism. But I do without completely losing hope.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vinodji,
    I am not a pessimist; far from it. I will be among the billion other Indians who would rejoice at the event, when it comes to pass. But we must face the bitter reality, which is that while in 1950, we were to become a full-fledged member of the SC, on an equal footing with the other four and China would be where we are today vis-a-vis the SC. Now we will get something little better than the revolving membership. This is what galls.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Shenoy

    If Pakistan can blackmail the whole world with its terror factories” and mr who has dispute with all its neighbours? As far pleading to USA goes, you guys begged USA for three days to mention “Pakistan” in the context of terorism. This goes to show you guys are unable to pressure Pakistan on your own. As far as terrorism goes, you guys are getting what you deserve, nothing less nothing more.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    So you accept that you are a terrorist nation..

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Azgar Hussain and Sal.

    Dear Pakistani brothers, soon the world is getting ready to tri-furcate Pakistan for its own good. You can read the Huffington Post on this. Robert Blackwill a former US ambassador to India is spearheading this movement.

    Inshallah, the evil entity called Pakistan will soon become

    a) Baluchistan

    b) DOUBLE moth eaten Pakistan :D :D

    c) Killer-of-minorities- STAN

    Both of you can choose which country you want to migrate too :) :)

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    The only way to solve Kashmir is to dissolve pakistan. The Balochi brothers are fed up of these imperialist terrorist punjabi army. India, Iran and Afghanistan should form an alliance to help our Balochi brothers.

    Balochis maange Azadi..Azadi..

    Pakistan ka matlab kya
    l*nd pe chade humko kya…

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Vijay and Rajeev – You are right

    Balochistan freedom movement is strengthening with each passing day and Pakistan is uneasy about its gaining momentum.

    India should reassess its foreign policy and strategy towards managing Pakistan. India should provide coveted support to Baloch movement. A good beginning could be funding them. Instead of offering Pakistan 25 million dollars during floods, it would have been more prudent to fund Baloch nationalists.

    Morever, India and Indian diaspora outside India could strengthen the movement by raising this issue at international forums.

    The whole moral arguement of Pakistan’s allegation of human right abuse in Kashmir falls flat on face as they are carrying out military operations themselves to suppress Baloch independence movement but accuse India for human rights violation in Kashmir.

    Goes without saying that to control Baloochis, the Pakistan army wouldn’t be showering flowers on them.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Vijay/Rajiv/Raju/Shan/Vinay/Mr.Shenoy/Vinodji/Kushagra and others
    Recent bombing of Sufi Shrines in Pakistan (Shahbaz Qalandar and Baba Farid) has been bothering me. I am looking at a pattern where Wahabbis are going after Sufis because they consider Sufi practices as SHIRK (against Islam).
    I am not saying that Hindu groups were not behind Ajmer dargah blast but there are chances that Ajmer Dargah blast was done by Wahabis (from across the border or their lackeys in India). I think Indian govt. should see Ajmer Dargah blast keeping in mind similar kind of blasts happening in Pakistan.
    Let me assert the fact that there has been very little friction between Sufis (barelvis) and Hindus so I feel hindu groups have no motive to carry out such blast.

    I see bombing of Sufi Shrines as project carried out by Wahabbis. Let me know your views about it.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    William Darlymple, in his “Nine Sacred Lives” (I may be wrong about the title- he tarvelled thru India and Sindh border and narated the lives of nine ordinary (or extraordinary) people – a Jain Sanyasini, a brass idol sculptor, a worshipper of skulls, etc etc and a woman who is a singer/junior priest in a sufi shrine..-

    This Sufi shrine was threatened by the local Mulla and madrasa stuents incessantly. The Mullah told the author that with gods blessing his students will destroy the sufi shrine because they ahve already destroyed a couple of them deep in Sindh; now it is time to destroy the ones on the border.

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Rajeev

    I would prefer to wait and watch for the trial to conclude.

    If I stand neutral till the verdict, there are two possibilities.
    1a> Verdict saying Hindus were not responsible. I would be really glad and use the opportunity to criticize the media which blamed the community unwarranted.
    1b>It says, Hindus were responsible. I would take it with heavy heart and will think of how to clean up this new culture developing in our community.

    If I get biased that my community can never do such a thing and verdict comes. Same possibilities:
    2a> Decision coming in my favour. My reaction would be the same and I can say, “this is what I had been saying all along”.
    2b> Adverse decision: I feel humiliated. So, I will not accept the verdict, instead will start looking for faults in the verdict.

    We have witnessed this feel (2b) in Babri Masjid verdict, Shopian case… people had been biased and concluded even before the verdict. If we do the same, we will be no different. But we can ask for the fast “fair” trial.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajeev,

    You are right. Pakistan is surely getting more and more fanatic and we should recognise it for our own good. The confessions of Daoud Gilani alias David Headley have convinced me that this country is — as Rajiv calls it– is a pure terror entity.

    We should remember that David Headley is the brother of Daniel Gilani who works as the right hand of Yusuf Gilani the PM of Pakistan. SO possible the PM of Pakistan knew about the 26/11 attacks.

    As you have pointed out the Wahabbis are steadily destroying the last remnants of an inclusive Pakistan. Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Ahemadiyas, Qdianis, Ismailis have and Shias were the earlier victims of these killers. Since nobody in Pakistan has spine, and they all will fall in line with the guy with the biggest gun.

    Even on this forum you can see most Pakistanis are proud of the murder and torture done by its army and terrorist ISI.

    In the end, dissolution of Pakistan is the only way we can see hope. As a country its true face is Hamid Gul, Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed. Maybe a UN force should take control of this mafia like country. I on my part, despite having some good friends there have given up hope.

    As far as the second part of your assertion on terror by the RSS goes. let us probe this out. I have my doubts on many fronts. Whenever the present government faces a tough situation– as it does on corruption today– it tries to deflect attention on to the RSS. So tomorrow in case there is a question of the death sentence on Kasab, it will try to get something on the RSS alongside. But then terror and murder by any organisation in the name of religion is wrong.

    In case sections of the RSS have indulged init, the RS has to correct its course.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar “Brainwashed” Hussain,

    Ajju dear, your words carry little weight as you have been educated in a school curriculam created by the ISI and Mulla Omar.

    As far the as the shit thing goes, get a MRI done. You would have realised that the ISI has managed to stuff most of it in your head so that you become a brainwashed supporter of terror and killing innocents and minorities…. :D :D

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Baita don’t worry, we are not one pleading to Uncle Sam, it is you. ISI is strong enough to take care of you guys…keep smiling

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwAtsSOkRY

    See those flags

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Baita….abey kam se kam urdu to sahi likh..it is BETA…
    Saale naa tumhe urdu aati hai naa arabic..you speak hindu language called punjabi..

    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    ISI is not a terrorist organization. ISI is doing exactly in India what you deserve and we people of Pak are very proud of ISI. Your father US very mcuh deponds on ISI and cant do anything in Afganistan without ISI. Every week US high ranking officials comes Islamabad and hold a meeting with ISI.

    A country who has killed thousands of Sikhs, Muslims, dalits, hundreds of Christians and raped nuns, muslim women in Roits where a mob of Hindus fanatics comes and burnt every thing of minorities including mosques, churches, Gurdawara etc. A citizen of that country talks about minorities of its neighbour. And all the killings are done by individuals but by mob of hindu fanatics and security forces.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Yawn…anything else?

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Keep yawning

    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Azhar Hussain – Yawn…happy?

    Rajeev Reply:

    “A country who has killed thousands of Sikhs, Muslims, dalits, hundreds of Christians ”

    Sound like pakistan to me…
    1. Sikhs – Butchered during partition
    2. Muslims – over a million muslims killed in east pakistan.
    3. Hindus – 0.6 million butchered during partition and 2 million during Bangladesh liberation
    4. Dalits – Haris are being kept as bonded labor in punjab and sindh. You rape their 10-12 year old girls, kill their men at will.
    5. Christians – You have been killing thousands of christians using Blasphemy laws (mind it your christians do not indulge in conversion)

    vijay kumar Reply:

    People of Pakistan are proud of the ISI and that is why most Pakistanis are potential suicde bombers willing to detonate themselves at the instructions of Hamid Gul and Hafeez Saeed. :) :)

    Almost like the idiots in Mr India, jumping into burning acid, so that “MOGAMBO KHUSH HUA !!! ”

    Ha ha ha ha :) :) :D :D

    So Sal when are you going ??? :D :D You and azhar can have fun with each other, up there… along with the 180,000 suicide bombers from Pakistan while secular, prosperous India wiill grow as an ideal state which the countries of the world would follow….

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you can already see these “all fired up” jihadis rushing to the front of the line, to blow up sufi dargahs and Ahmedia mosques and also Shia mosques and blow themselves up alongside.

  • Azhar Hussain

    WOW two rocket scientists Rajeev and Vijay

    YOUR court has accused your RSS a terrorist outfit of the crime….Talk about hieight of stupidity…….

    ISI is doing a great job in scaring the sh t out of you guys

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Are you talking about SUPARCO, the org. trying to reach moon using sounding rockets?

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Rajeev, Our friends across the border believe RSS is a terrorist organisation BECAUSE AN INDIAN COURT has made accusation, not because they see it from prims of Hindu hatred.

    We must complement them for their secular mindset and trust in Indian legal system.

    Now that they have declared that they wholeheartedly accept Indian courts’ verdict as in the case of RSS, I am sure Pakistan being a responsible, globally respected and law abiding country would maintain their secular and lawful character when it comes to some of the other terrorists pronounced by an Indian court such as Dawood Ibrahim and several other terrorists from Let, JeM, who function as state guests of Pakistan.

    Pakistan, being so much superior to India, would like to teach India some lessons on democracy, secularism and rule of law and therefore should be happy to hand these terrorists to India beginning with Dawood Ibrahim. :-)

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Azhar,

    we can understand your hatred fro the RSS, but try to understand that no court has “accused” the RSS of terror. Also understand that the CBI is not a court and is an organ of the government. In fact, when the central government thrice banned RSS as an undesirable organisation, the courts have nullified the ban on all three occasions. Learn a bit of real history, Azhar.

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    Azadi Azadi

    Ask your terrorist army if they can yawn in my State of Kashmir

    Despite measures taken by the Indian Army to control the growing incidents of suicide and fratricide in the force, the incidents have reported an increase in the past few days in this year in occupied Kashmir.
    There has been an increase in the incidents of suicide by Indian troops in Jammu region where there is little operational stress on soldiers. The troopers have gone irate and shooting at the colleagues and officers have witnessed an increase in the region, KMS reported.

    In the past one-week, five incidents of suicide by the soldiers have been reported in the Jammu region alone in which soldiers committed suicide by firing at themselves with their service rifles, and all such incidents were said to be stress-related.

    Though the Indian defence authorities had initiated court of inquiry into all incidents and has also adopted various remedial measures to check such incidents in future, there seems to be no decrease in such incidents.

    Regular yoga and meditation classes are being organised by the army authorities to de-stress the soldiers. Even counselling by qualified psychologists is being performed to check their stress levels.

    An Indian army doctor while speaking to media men said, “The incidents of suicide are not mainly associated with operational stress, but a majority of them are related to domestic problems.”

    He said, “Jammu has witnessed more suicides by troops compared to Kashmir where operational obligations of a soldier are more.”

    “Incidents of suicides are a major issue before the Army which has taken various measures to contain it, but we can handle only operational stress, domestic stress being personal in nature is very difficult to handle,” Jammu-based PRO of the Indian ministry of defence said.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    What azadi? Siding with PAkistan? getting absorbed by the failed state of PAkistan?

    President Obama visited India, Pakistanis were upset that he did not visit Pakistan. Pakistan still views the world as it was 1960, that India is equivalent.. They just do not know that the world, India, and their own country have slipped away from them. India is a member of g20; US is talking about permanent mebership for them in UN, India is sending $10 billion to US while Pakistan is begging from US and will not survive but for the $3.5 billion handout they get from US.

    India grows at 9%, it is a partner many want to structure relationship.

    Every country in the world has labelled PAkistan a terrorist state, a failed state, an army controlled state, a state where the masterminds of9/11 lives, supporfted by Pakistani ISI.

    So why does Gilani want to join Pakistan? It is Mullah-mullah frucking Umma

    As I said, tanks should roll, and whatever killings we have to do, we just cannot have these jehadis take away. Much damage has beend one. No purpose in talking about the past mistakes and the genesis of Pandit nehru. A great country has responsbilities. One respomnsibility is territorrial integrity.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Ok…happy?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Mir/Azhar,
    Now Obama’s trip is over so it is time to drop this azadi charade. Go back to your masters Pakistan and think about new gameplan.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    And for all Kashmiris who want to be Azad fro India, secular India will give them a safe passage and a one way ticket in the Samjhaita express to the peaceful and secular Swat valley ! :D

    Kashmir valley of course will remain a land belonging tol all of India and Indians. right from Mumbaities to Manipuris and for people from Kashmir to Kanyakumari… :D

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Pakistan did not become an idiot criminal moth eaten statei n one day.

    Its full of inbred idiots like Azhar, al, Mumtaz Mir etc.

    The are the gretest proof why Pakistn lost 1/2 its country and now is a pariah state, looked down and condemned as a joke by the world.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    A BIG, HUGE, WIDE-OPEN-MOUTH YAAAAAAAAAAWN.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @Vinod Sharma

    You talked about the impending visits of the Russian, Chinese and French leaders.

    Of course all these visits won’t have the hype of the Obama visit. However we should use these visits to win them over.

    a) We should hand them the Daoud Gilani/ David Headley confessions to show that Pakistan is now a rogue state which has spun out of control. It is possible that they will create nuclear terror in the near future.

    b) Since the Chinese have some leverage there, we need to get our act right with the CHinese. SOmewher I feel a negotiated border setlement with give and Take can solve things for now. We should be willing to hand over parts of Aksai CHin–as it is in their control for the past 50 years. Prior to that there was no demarcated border. However terrirotires snatched by china in 62 should be back with India. Somewhere this requires tight roipe walking.

    As it is China and India can be natural allies against terror. They are more terrified of Islamic terror than any other country. Despite all talks of friendship with Pakistan, they just evicted all Pakistanis out of Beijing before the OLympics, lock stock and barrel !!

    Since our trade is high, and CHina is moving away from communism, chances of friendship are the highest now.

    :) :) We need to remind them that Nehru literally gifted away the Permanent UN seat in the fifties, which was being offered to India by john Foster Dulles :) :)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    That is my view as well …. But for that, the Indian right wing will need to stop confusing China with their disdain for the CPM. China bashing in our media also has to stop. Easier said then done, no?

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Sharmaji, by and large Indian media has been restraint in criticising China for some of its repeated instances of irritating India. The problem with we Indians is that we overdo arguements within ourselves but go relatively easy in negotiating our national interests at high level summits.

    The Indo-China economic relationship will foster in spite of occasional war of words on both sides, just like with US. There is too much business on both sides that both countries would let go.

    India needs to go hard at negotiations with China and if China continues to maintain an aggressive stance on some issues for eg. stapled visas to Kashmiris, they deserve all the criticism coming their way by Indian media or by right wing politicians.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Mr Bhatnagar,
    I am a journalist and I know when we cross the lines while being critical. I think our national interests will be best served by talking tough behind closed doors— not having our half-literate right wingers and news anchors shouting at the top of their voice.

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    journalists are worse than politicians in a survey done by Pew rserach in US.. Indian journalits are no better.. Time to move on and not rely on journalists… people liek vinod are water acrriers for their masters , not people, but political class

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    I think we could just sweep of the Chinese with our democracy, which at times is so destructive as we all know!

    So many Chinese have asked me about Hinduism, Buddhism, Yoga.. in my visits there. Once we start getting them here in thousands as tourists we can actually forge closer ties.

    Our cities are at times chaotic and dirty. But for people who need to scream once a while, they would be a boon. The Chinese in the cities are quite like Indians. They want music and dance and a good time. And they would be tourists without the baggage of smuggling in terrorists.

    We can learn a lot about discipline from then. And about organizing things,

    And they would get democracy and religious freedoms from India. In the end our choatic anarchy and culture would surely win them over.

    I think they would drop Pakistan like a hot potato in case somebody educates them about the risk of nuclear terrorism which Pakistan can create.

    People to people contact with the CHinese is necessary. Remember we have had no disputes with them for 5000 years except 1962 when communism was in.

    And now communism is going away…..
    Our foreign office has not handled this right….

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    @Vinod Sharma

    Sir
    The only way the Chinese may be tempted for a reconciliation with us can be only through trade. They may freeze the border dispute but not forget it and to hot it up this issue at any time of their choice. Look Chinese are OK with Japan as long as Japanese are doing IT business with them in the northeastern port city of Dalian in north eastern China. Japanese had once even colonized China leaving a very bad taste in the mouth of Chinese. But now Dalian has become for Japan what Bangalore has become for USA. The Chinese may never forgive Japan for what it did to China in the last century, but the now the Chinese are so focused on leading the world in the next century that they are prepared to learn even Japanese language to take up all the work Japan can outsource.
    This our country can also do with advantage. This can surely wean away China from Pakistan as we have , through some smart planning, been able to shift the hyphen from Indo-Pak to Af-Pak. ( Mr. Vinod Sharma, I am elaborating your response to one of my post)
    Can our leaders and public be so innovative to think on these lines?
    BNA

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  • Kushagra Bhatnagar

    @Sharmaji, I agree with you.

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    @ Mr Vinod Sharma, Mr Vijay Kumar, Kushagra

    On China, pl permit me to quote a recent statement of Mr M K Narayanan , India’s former NSA for long ( ofcourse under the UPA Regime) and now Governor West Bengal

    ” The most obvious would be efforts made by certain countries to restrict our growth potential and influence. Countries like China and Pakistan figure prominently in this category,” Narayanan said speaking on ‘India in the 21st century’, at a lecture in Kochi ( 20 October 2010).

    China’s efforts at establishing economic suzerainty across South East and South Asia and parts of Central Asia, its growing military capabilities and the “lip-and-teeth’ relationship it has established with Pakistan are already matters of concern, Narayanan said.
    China’s obsession with becoming the dominant economy and military power in Asia and beyond will become an issue as it nears its objective. China’s increasing assertiveness in East and South East Asia, its projection of military might in the Indian Ocean and on the Tibetan plateau are continuously causing concerns about China’s real intention,” said Narayanan

    I do not think Mr Vinod Sharma would call Mr M K Narayanan ” a half literate Right Winger” . I do not wish to refer to the Opinions and other articles and news about China’s actions in recent times because they all in the public domain including the fears and apprehensions voiced by the Congress MP from Arunachal Pradesh .

    I would also request that the blogs written by Mr Pramit Pal Chaudhri , Diplomatic Editor of the Hindustan Times which appear along side , may also be kindly read befor we start dismissing all those who warn about China as ” half literate Right Wingers”

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @Vijay Kumar

    First bring down the numbers of 800 millions indians who lives less than 2$ in a day then call India a prosperous state. And for your information, India ranks at 67th place in Hunger Index that includes 40% of world’s children who are facing malnutrition and Pak is way higher in Hunger India which stands at 52th place by 2010.

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  • Rajiv

    India needs to deal with China on a reciprocal basis. If some of our citizen get stapled VISA, we should just reciprocte by giving some of their ctizens stapled visa. No problem.N o issue. No explanation required.

    Itssuch a obvious solution that it takes real idiots to not figure it out.

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    Vinay Reply:

    @Rajiv,
    We already have large population with illegal immigration problem (Bengal). Let us not get into stapled visa business. Let these people go to China. When they come back, let our immigration catch them. Any people are allowed to India from outside 1> If they have legal Indian Passport 2> Have Chinese passport with legal Indian Visa. If they don’t have both, send them back to
    where they came from. Let China deal with amnesty for inviting them without proper records at first place.

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  • Rajiv

    @Sal,
    Indian poor are not begging from USA or Saudi or China.

    While the thug criminal Pakistan state, is not just a criminal entity, lost 1/2 the country but its people as represented by the state are interntional criminals and beggars.
    Do you as a peope have any shame when you be from USA, EU, China, Saudi ?

    Is there a daywhen the entire Paistan ntion is not begging all over the world ???

    The Pak state and its people are worse than any beggar in the wrld when they beg all over the world.

    But worse than that is your inbred idiot jihadi saudi trained intellet that cannot unerstand your own status.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajiv,

    the day the US and Saudi Arabia close their taps of alms, free food, free oil etc., Pakistan will leapfrog to the last of the world hunger index.

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  • vijay kumar

    :D :D :D :D ——~~~~~ — EXPOSED !! EXPOSED !! EXPOSED !!~~~~ ——– :D :D :D :D
    :) THE HUGE LIE ABOUT PAKISTANI UN FIGURES !! :)

    This is for Sal and Azhar and all Indians and Pakistanis !! And I got it from a UN officer who has worked in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India.

    Pakistani indices for health, hunger and most things are pruned 20% up!!! :D :D :D

    This senior female officer form UK laughed and told me that they– the goras are too scared too venture one kilometer from their office since past ten years.

    What do they do then for statistics? I asked.

    “Oh !! we simply ask the Pakistanis… it is just too scary to venture out. And the Pakistanis first check out what the figures are for India. Then to make the local population think that they are better then India, they simply give us figures that are 10% higher than India…” She said with a crinkly laugh.

    As I absorbed this damming information I looked at the Goa night sky. “WhaT ABOUT iNDIA.. ?”

    “You Indians are too sad. Your departments give us lower figures because that is how your states get their central poverty asistance finds….”

    I am still recovering from this shocking statement.

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  • vijay kumar

    I think for Pakistan the best way to get info is to look at the CIA figures which could be closer to the truth. As most of us know CIA is King in Pakistan along with ISI.

    To stretch the arguement further, we all know that India has been growing at a speedbreaking 9% since the past decade. While Pakistan has been tottering between negative growth and 4%. The population growth rate of Pakistan is around 3% abd it is 1.9% for India.

    Yet………

    At the end of the decade you will see that the Pakistani finance Minister announce that Pakistanis are better off than India or some other claptrap….

    What a joke !!

    Sal and Azhar you should do a research on this tweaking of statistics by the Pakistani government… :D

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    But the CIA keeps tabs only on the rich Pakistanis! The figures for the poor, hungry, illiterates etc getistorted as always!!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    correction: get distorted

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Vijay

    The more you open your panparag laden mouth, the more me and Sal come to know your true kind.

    Its ISI you idiot not UN

    I am still laughing at your posts…..I should not be asking you this, but how old are you Vijay?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal is also planning to kill Shias like you along with Laskar-e-jhangvi and Siphi Sahaba… all of course trained by your ISI

    Bolti band darling???? :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Azhar is not a SHia but a sunni.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @Rajiv

    Indian poors are doing suicides and in a last 10 years, 200,000 farmers have committed suicides for not paying the debt. This is just one picture of widespread poverty of India. And here, one ediot called World’s largest country of poors a ‘Preosperous’. A citizen of that country where 800 millions lives less than 2$ in a day doesnt desrves call any one beggar. And It is Pak Govt who asks aids from US for its services given to US for its war on terror and then US gives Hitech weapons to Pak in return.

    @Vijay Kumar

    I am not a lier like you. Just have a look at Global Hunger Index 2010. You will find how india stands at Hunger Index. And for you I am giving some of the lists.

    China is at 9th place
    Sri Lanka at 37th place
    Pak at 52th place
    Nepal at 57th place
    India at 67th place
    Bangladesh at 68th place

    India is above only Bangladesh.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal

    The hands of most Pakistanis have become yellow washing the bottoms of most countries asking for aid. :D :D

    India gave you 25 million dollars a few months ago. Even poor Afghanistan gave you 1 million dollars.

    Of course Pakistan will repay the debt by training more suicide bombers and exporting more heroin :D

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    First. Pak didnt request India. Second, India gave 25 million dollars to UN and Pak got them from UN, not from India directly. Third, all this amount/Aids has been given to Pak due to floods. Fourth Pak has also given Aids to India on its Gujrat earthquake.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Shah “shameless” Quereshi asked for even more after 25 million was given Check out the newspaper reports which may have NOT come in Pakistani papers…

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    i would totally agree with Rajeev when it comes to solving the Kashmir issue. it would be a practical idea to dissolve Pakistan by helping the Baloch freedom fighters

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Temhara Bap bhe nehi rok sakta

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW1JjIgk69A&NR=1

    See the Pakistani flag flying high, and you can’t stop that

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    These freaks are product of Rape followed by inbreeding…

  • vijay kumar

    :D :D :D I am still laughing at Azhar and Sal :D :D :D

    Babies… your statistics department is like your cricket board !! :) :)

    How much ever your cricketers fix matches your board will simply say “we are all good Muslims… this is an Isreali , Raw and Indian conspiracy…. ”

    You should seriously check out how they compile statistics.

    YOu can again go over this fact.

    “To stretch the arguement further, we all know that India has been growing at a speedbreaking 9% since the past decade. While Pakistan has been tottering between negative growth and 4%. The population growth rate of Pakistan is around 3% abd it is 1.9% for India.

    Yet………

    At the end of the decade you will see that the Pakistani finance Minister announce that Pakistanis are better off than India or some other claptrap….

    What a joke !!

    Man I have travelled a bit around Lahore and surrounding areas. Yes your Defence club was good with fashionable people. But the doctor who was hosting me said that

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  • vijay kumar

    Yes Shenoy

    This is right out of Mr India.

    And Hamid Gul and Dawood Ibrahim the real face of Pakistan say, “Gul and Hafeez khush hua….”

    Just minutes back there has been another suicide blast in Karachi. 24 innocents have been killed.

    But Sal and Azhar probably say, ” Hafeez Saeed and Hameed Gul Khush hua…”

    What a joke of a country !

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    If you are in your thirtess or in fourtess (I guess) then you have a mental serious problem.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Sal – Ignoring simple typos, I am sure you wanted to say that “you have a serious mental problem” as opposed to “mental serious problem”. May be time for you to pay a visit back to high school, as clearly they did not do a good job.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Sal – And hoping you are not in thirties or forties.

    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    We dont have as many people per mile as your country has..

    Pak = 555 per mile
    India = 936 per mile

    Your growth rate is very good but you are still the world’s largest country of poors on the planet. 800 millions is very very big figure who lives less than 2$ in a day. Go and feed them.

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  • Rajiv

    @Pak idiots
    Pakistan , is no longer a match for India.

    Rememeber India was much poorer when 91000 cowards and criminals surrendered to India in 1971 !!!
    How could that be ?

    You dont even have 1/2 the country you had in 1971.

    That was even before you lost Siachen and then in Kargil.

    Now the Pakistani poor get blown up by likes of Azhar and Sal outside the Pakistani mosuques and durgas where they may be begging.

    Just in last 24 hours , hundreds blwon up by petty criminals like Azhar and Sal.

    Its not just the poor who beg in Pakistan , its just that the entire country is a begger that begs all around the world, every day !!!!!

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  • Rajiv

    I guess the

    1. loss of 1/2 the country 1971,
    2. then Siachen 1985

    3.Begging all around the world for aid

    4. Ruled by criminal ISI/Army

    5. Baluchistan to Waziristan under Sharia rule

    6. 100’s of people getting blown up all over Pakistan

    is not enough humilation for the descedents of illeterate Saudi tribals !!

    They want more !!!!!!

    Well you will have more.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Dont talk about 71 always. We have ruled you for 1000 years and we were always less than 10% of India. Remember Muhammad Bin Qasam who was just 17 years old when conquered whole Sindh and Southern part of Punjab and defeated Raja Dahir. And still muslims are ruling a very big part of India in the name of Pak and Bangladesh. Remember, how many wars, we have gave you defeat. How Shah ud din Gori killed your Pirthivi Raj Chuhan in 1192 in Tarin and Qutubin din aebuk became ruler of Delhi. Then Slave Dynasyty, Lodhi dynasty, Sori dynasty, Taghliq dynasty and Moguls Dynssty ruled for centuries till British came.

    And still Pak holds your 33,000 sq miles of your dharti maa and you insects cant do anything. Shame on you..Pak holds you territory and you cant do anyhting.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sal;
    missed you man when i was touring. come out of sleep, all things you are quoting happened long time back. we are talking of today. you people have become caricatures. what is wrong with you people?? How long you can deny reality? I do not understand, what you are trying to say. OK, india has more poors than pakistan, so what? india has more rich people than pakistan, do you deny this? India has more achievers than pakistan, do you deny this? India has moon mission, successfully sent astraunat in space, do you deny this. Indian doctors, scientists are world reknowned, do you deny this? scores of pakistanis come to india for specialized treatment, do you deny this. On what parameters you compare pakistan to India. We will keep on progressing and you people will go on regressing. come wake up boy, sincerely wish well for you people.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Sal

    Ha ha hahahha :D :D :D :D HA HA HA HA HA :D :D :D :D ha ha hahha

    You may believe that you are a product of the the sperm of Mohammad bin Qasim…

    Man that rapist came on a horse and no woman came with him.

    So did you come out a girl he raped on the way??

    Or maybe you came out when he did it to the horse !!!

    HA HA HA HA HA HA :D :D :D :D ha ah ahahahh :D :D :D ha HAHAHAH

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    You should know that 95% of pakistani have hindu blood in them. You may be one of them. The invaders like Bin Qasim raped your grandmothers and you are proud of it.
    Only pakistanis can be such proud people.. Doob maaro chullu bhar pani mein..

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    Rajeev Reply:

    By the way Prithviraj Chauhan defeated Ghori and pardoned him when Ghori pleaded MERCY…
    Prithviraj was man of morals but Ghori was exactly like current day pakistanis who betrayed the trust and backstabbed Prithviraj..so you see, you muslims are not only product of rape but also product of Ghori’s treachery…No wonder pakistanis are so confused about their identity…

    Saale convert…progeny of cowards..

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajeev

    Sharum ker….Ghori was just a leader of one tribe of Afganistan i.e Ghori and Afganistan was divided into several tribes while Pirthivi Raj was a king a India. Kitini sharum ki baat ha keh a leader of ordinary tribe has defetaed a king of India. And as far as first war of tarin is concerned, Ghori was never captured. So there is no question of pleading mercy.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    “Pyaare Sal…when are you becoming a suicide bomber to avenge the Rape of your grandmother by
    Ahmed Shah Abdali ??????????????”

    WOW Vijay you are showing your true indian face….keep it up

    Vijay it took you no time in dropping down to Paritosh’s level.

    @Raju

    Same papers were seeing WMD’s in Iraq before the invasion of Iraq…..They did not find it, but RAJU someone will pay the price for the murder of almost 300,000 Iraqis.

    And now the same paper is Gita for you guys

    Rajeev Reply:

    What is wrong with Vijay’s statement? It’s a fact that invaders came without their wives..obviously you guys are product of rape..

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    I’m truly impressed the way we have awakened our senses to demonize each others existance, leaving no doubt that there is dearth of sanity. Can anyone of you read out loud previous blog under the title “Open letter to my blog-mates”?

    @Vijay,
    What became of your moderation skills?

    @Azhar/Sal
    Please avoid such low level talks, I do not want any of you to take lead in utter non-sense. Engage with more reasonable arguments and people with good reasoning. Nobody is hear to steal your sense of nationalism and be less provocative to rash wordings. Patience and silence are strong weapons you just need to explore it.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sal,
    it is historical fact that barbarians had defeated better evolved civilization of that time.Remember Changez khan? Hulagu?? Who destroyeed Abbasids of Iraq completely, when Islamic Khilafat was at peak of its glory. Muslims used to get stained clothed just by mention of Changez. by the way, Changez was a Buddhist. so, do not worry about Ghori, or Abdali or Nadir Shah. they were all very brutish, illiterate and people of base instincts, who killed Delhi Muslims with the same abondone.
    Again you are commiting same mistake. getting boastful for things in past, what about present??

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    Sharm kar rape ki aulaad, Pritviraj was king of Ajmer and Delhi, not INDIA..
    Ghori first raped your Grandmas and then reached Delhi…Tum Rape ki aulaad ho..Kuch to sharam karo..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Ghori was captured and brought to Pritiviraj. Ghori pleaded mercy and that is a historical fact.

  • vijay kumar

    @ Azhar

    Oh… tumhari abhi bhi bolti band… since you realised Sal was trying to kill you along with Lashkar Tayebba… oh feel sorry for you poor baby…tch tch…

    @Sal.

    The figure of 800 million poor has been created by idiots leftists like Arundhati Roy to get international publicity and approval from idiots like you. However… the actual figure is around 12% people below poverty line.

    You can also check out your government figures. They will be something like the ISI and Lashkar, Jamaat and Al Queeda (the real face of Pakistan) Total lies but the true face of Pakistan. Lashkar and ISI say we are a peace loving organistaion… and they kill innocents. The Pakistani government says Pakistan has achieved this and that…

    Sab jhoot. Check out the CIA figures for greater accuracy. UN has not done any survey as UN officials are kidnapped and killed in the land of the IMPURE :D :D :D

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay,
    Saare pakistani khotey hein..saale bolte hein punjabi hindu Zabaan, khate hein punjabi hindu food, rehtein hai hindu ki tarah, shadi bhi hindu ki tarah lekin kahetey hein apne aap ko arabo ki nazayaz aulaad…
    Besharm Quom hein..

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    The figure is taken from Wrold Bank. Do you need reference for that. And I guess you are the product of Pithivi Raj Chihan’s sperm which was taken before getting killed so that in future moron like you to get born.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal,

    Go beyond history and sceince books written by Mulla Omar.

    How can you ever claim to be a Turki, Arabi or a Somalian when no womwn ever came with those killers??

    Answer brother answer !!

    Otherwise go and shoot a bullet into the head of the Pakistani education and brainwashing department :D :D

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Pakistan ka matlab kya..
    l*nd pe chade humko kya…

    Gali Gali mein shor hai, pakistan mahachor hai…

    It is time to free Balochis from punjabi mafia ruling pakistan…

    Long live independent SECULAR republic of Balochistan…

    Down Down Rapist and Raped ISLAMIC FASCIST TERRORIST republic of pakistan…

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    I see that smoke coming from your rear end.

    Two hindu terrorist army guys were smoked in my state.

    Azadi Azadi

    SAL what did you say to make these veggies go crazy

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    Have you considered suing your brains for non-support?

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    U are rite non-support

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxICpTJuXc&feature=related

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    How do you deal with your parent’s sympathy for you?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mumtaz;
    what Azadi you are asking for, release of your soul from your body? Azadi from zahaliyat to secularism? Azadi from freedom to Azadi for sitting in the lap of pakistan, or Azadi rom present prison to escape to pakistan? Have your choice clearly spealt out you carnivore.

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW1JjIgk69A&NR=1

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mir,
    We have given Azadi to 80000 people so far, what is your number?

    Vinay Reply:

    @Pankaj,

    When they join Pakistan, they will become partly Azad. Finally when Pakistan sells them to China, they will become fully Azad (like Gilgit-Baltistan). The will continue their singing in China. Azadi ka matlab kya ? La ….

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Vinay for your kind e mail.
    I have objection to these uninvited guests like Sal, mir, and Azhar, who will interrupt any serious discussion in this blog. The same tactics they use back in pakistan by shouting and overwhelming liberals. Liberals voice get drowned and these brutes carry the day. let us not allow this to happen at this blog. Either we can ignore them or enter into a wordy duel,
    but they can not reply to any concern raised by us. they are here to create chaos only.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Raju baita

    You need to get your facts together befor you start talking

    Muhaijir…This is what they got when in Pakistan
    Almost 80% literacy rate
    Highest income earner lives in Karachi
    Karachi has become the economic backbone of Pakistan
    Richest people of Pakistan are from this community
    Numerous Army chiefs were fro Karachi
    President Musharaf was from Karachi
    Prime Minister Shukat Aziz from Karachi
    The day the terroist Altaf Hussian dies, peace will return to Karachi

    All your cheap dreams about Pakistan will die like your soilders dieing in Kashmir

    One last things, Whats up with increase in suicide in your forces in Kashmir

    Vinay Reply:

    You forgot one more VIP from Karachi.

    Dawood

    Rajiv Reply:

    Its not Islamic Republic of Pakistan protected terrorists like Dawood that have reduced Pakistan into a vile criminal entity mocked by the world as a failed criminal enterprise.

    Its people like Azhar ( with his crooked green mirror given to him by Jinnah ), Sal etc who have reduced Pakistan to what it is today , while they count number of porr in India or people who commit suicide etc.

    There only source of comfort , as they lost 1/2 the country and the remaining 1/2 sinks in gutter is to count such incidents in other countries , even as rest of the world including India , marches and soars ahead and their country is reduced to a hell-hole.

    The only source of solace left to Saudi-Taleban tutored Pakistanis like Sal or Azhar is the crooked green mirror that presumably shows to them that rest of the world or India is bad.

    There is no hope for such criminal minds.

    Sal Reply:

    Pak was made out of India after breaking India into 2 pieces and Bangladesh is still an independent muslim country. And still Pak holds 33,000 sq miles of Indian territory. The best soltuion of peace is to break down India into smaller pices which It has been thourghout of its histroy and Kashmir Valley will definitely get indepndence.

    It is Indians who got benefits from disintegration of India because from that way, the life of 800 millions indians who lives less than 2$ in a day, can be improved by utilizing all of the resources of smaller states who will come into being after desintegration of India to its people.

    Raju Kurien Reply:

    karachi is frukking crazy hole…today (or yestrerday) theer was another bombing… You sh–head Azhar, get a life.. What are you propping up? I understand ones sense of country, honour etc.. But does apkistan have any of these? Do your leaders have? Did any of the past leaders have? If they had, do you think PAkistan would have gone to this level? You can rattle any statistics, what is the ground reality? Will you have a country? If so, what type of a country?

    And do you think Musharuff or how many generals is a comparison? Generals come through theire personal success, not by doing anything for the country, or country having elected.

    Tell me honestly, how many “mujahirs” (why a diffrent terminiology — we do not call anybody moved from PAkistan side to India with any derogatory name) own the vast scale of land like the 50 0r so families own in Pakistan.. Are you really happy with that?

    Sal Reply:

    @Raju Kurein

    Your information is very limited. You even dont what is the history behind a word “Muhajir”. Azhar has the very right thing that Muhajir Community is the richest and most educated community of Pak. I am talking about Muhajir community of Pak. Kindly dont mix it with Dalits of India.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal

    When you murder poor Azhar because he is a Shia… you can pretend that RAW did it :D

    @Azhar

    Watch out. First they killed the jews. Then Hindus and SIkhs, And Ahemaiyas, Qdianis, And Now Shias…

    Dont be so scared to blame it on India… :D

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Rajeev, Rajiv, Raju, Kushagra and SAL, MIR AND AZHAR

    :D :D :D :D EXPOSED EXPOSED :D :D BREAKING NEWS :D :D

    ALL OF PAKISTAN LIVES BELOW US Dollar 2 a day !!! :D :D :D

    In my last posting I had revealed why stats in Pakistan are tweaked up and why the UN statistics are unreliable.
    But please read this one ! :D :D

    The per capita income of Pakistan is US Dollar 900

    If we divide by number of days 900/365 = 2.2 dollars per day !!

    Now deduct the income of criminals like Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed who earn about 10 billion dollars through narcotic smuggling and of politicains like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf

    THE PER CAPITA INCOME OF ALL OF PAKISTAN WILL BE LESS THAN USD 2 A DAY !!! :D :D

    Azhar mian and sal :D you tried to make fun of India based on false statistics. Now see the truth about Pakistan. The nation with a begging bowl, where the people’s hands have become yellow wiping the shit of all the countries to get Aid (s)

    Ha ha ah aha Waha !!! What a crooked cuntry !! Ha ha ha ha :D :D

  • Raju Kurien

    Pakistani “elite’ (the feudal landlords, army) has robbed the country of any identity it had, to suppress people and create the sensation that all the problems they ahve are due to Israel, India, and US ; that they are trying to rob them of their religion. Generations have been lost ; and they are willing to lose generations more. There has not been any land redistribution after 63 years of independence; the people who migarted from india are still aclled Mujahirs(?), (do we have anything like that for people who moved here from the Pakistan side – otehr than that we have two prime ministers who migrated from Pakistan side, and a leader of opposition ).

    Let PAkistan pursue its India centric policy, it is time we move on. Great powers should compare with graet powers or greater powers. India should strive to be economically like South korea, and militarily like US. It is just a question of focus.

    We should trample over Kashmir; my foot collateral damage. Did china conmsider any collateral damage when they took over Tibet. Kill, if we have to kill..

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    @Raju
    Yes, we should start with contacting Altaf Hussain. He had also said that partition was wrong. extend all help to him. Bring DURAND LINE to Punjab border. This was demand of pakhtoons eversince, britishers annexed pakhtoonKhwa(NWFP). Freedom for baluchistan is overdue, as Nawab of Kalat was made to sign with a Pistol to his head. Jiye Sindh should be helped to maximum. Rest of the Punjab in pakistan will be a sitting duck after this. Man this is doable. let us support our RAW and achieve this. America and NATO will be mighty happy. China factor is being given undue importance, they will not risk their economic well being. otherwise we have Tibet Card always.
    Let us Start.

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  • Rajiv

    Anathor History lesson for Idiot Pakistanis , who have lost 1/2 the country crying for Kashmir and the other 1/2 is sinking in gutter as they continue to cry.

    Pakistan loses to India , everytime it tries to change status quo.

    Kashmir was not part of India.

    If Pakistan had waited for the king of Kashmir / Shekih Abdullah the elected leader in Kashmir assembly to decide, all of Kashmir perhaps would have gone to Pakistan peacefully ( after all, Congress agreed to partition ) and it would have been okay with India. Of course P[akistan would have to negotiate with King of Kashmir and Sheikh Abdullah and agree to their terms and conditions.

    But the gutter nation under criminal leaders like Jinnah, decided to invade and take it by force.
    Result, the King signs instrument of accession to India and then and only after then India lands to reclaim more than 1/2 the state and ofcourse the beautiful valley of Kashmir , leaving the moth eaten tribal parts ( northern territories ) under Pak control.

    Thats was status Quo 1. Pak invasion forced more than 1/2 of Kashmir and the entire Valley into India. India was happy with what it had.

    But the gutter Pak nation again attacked India in 1965.

    Result anathor Pak defeat.

    Status Quo 2. India happy again.

    1971, Pakistan again attacked India in the west along Kashmir and western border in retaliation to its own civil war as it lost 1/2 in the east. There was not a single incident of violence on the western border until idiot Pak army attacked in an air raid.

    Result Pak loses Kargil in 1971. ( even though India returns 12,000 sq km of other territory ) . India happy again. Status Quo 3.

    1985, Pak starts claiming , unmarked , unocupied barren Siachen glacier as its own and objects to Indian mountain expedition in the unmarked territory claiming control for itself.

    In retaliation, India launches Operation Meghdoot, occupied Siachen and makes it part of India too. Status Quo 4.

    The point is , India is always happy with status quo. But every time the depraved, criminal entity of Pakistan tries to attack India , it will face defeat and lose more. Its just a statement of fact and history no matter what crooked mirror you have inherited.

    Since 1985, the depraved Islamic Republic of Pakistan, after facing so many defeats, has tried to use and train Islamic jihadi terrorists against India. Its a product of their own depraved idiocy. How can terrorists succeed where the entire Pak army has failed everytime it tried ??
    But if you look at IQ of Azhar or Sal, as demonstrated here, you will know why PAK is a criminal and lunatic state.

    The result, the Pak state itself is now torn apart and brought down in a gutter by the terrorist groups it has trained and funded to presumably get Kashmir !!!!. Status Quo 5. India happy again as drones, Lashkar-e-toiba, Lashkar-e-jhangvi, Tehrik-e-taleban Pakistan , add more jewels to the crown of Jinnah’s moth eaten Pakistan.

    India has nothing to worry and is happy when the enemy is a inbred idiot , bent on suicide. of course there is some unfortunate co-lateral damage , but the depraved entity is bent of self-destruct and is doing an excellent job.

    I am sure that the idiots having not learnt a single thing will try some other self-destructive lunatic approach and continue to lose whatever is left.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Rajeev, Rajiv, Raju, Kushagra and SAL, MIR AND AZHAR

    :D :D :D :D EXPOSED EXPOSED :D :D BREAKING NEWS :D :D

    ALL OF PAKISTAN LIVES BELOW US Dollar 2 a day !!! :D :D :D

    In my last posting I had revealed why stats in Pakistan are tweaked up and why the UN statistics are unreliable.
    But please read this one ! :D :D

    The per capita income of Pakistan is US Dollar 900

    If we divide by number of days 900/365 = 2.2 dollars per day !!

    Now deduct the income of criminals like Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed who earn about 10 billion dollars through narcotic smuggling and of politicains like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf

    THE PER CAPITA INCOME OF ALL OF PAKISTAN WILL BE LESS THAN USD 2 A DAY !!! :D :D

    Azhar mian and sal :D you tried to make fun of India based on false statistics. Now see the truth about Pakistan. The nation with a begging bowl, where the people’s hands have become yellow wiping the shit of all the countries to get Aid (s)

    Ha ha ah aha Waha !!! What a crooked cuntry !! Ha ha ha ha :D :D

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  • http://deleted Sal

    Here is the brief history of India from last 1400 years.

    1) A vast area of Balochistan including Makran reigon was conquered during a rule of 2nd Caliph in 650.

    2) Muhammad Bin Qasim conquered Sindh and southern Punjab in 712 at the age of just 17 and defeated Dahir.

    3) Mahmood Ghaznavi conquered whole Punjab, Pashtun reigon and some parts of Kashmir around 1000. He also captured Somnath.

    4) Shahab un Din Gori defated Pithivi Raj Chuhan in 1192 and Qutib din Aebak became first muslim ruler of Delhi.

    5) Right from 1192, muslim empire gradually expanded deep inside India from Afganistan to Bengal by dynasties of Slave, Taghluq, Lodhi Sori and finally Moguls,

    6) in 1762, Ahmed shah Abdali defeated once agian Maharatha in third war of Pani pat.

    7) At last in 1857, muslims rule finished. But this it was the turn of British.

    8) In 1947, British gone and Akhand bharat was divided again into muslim Pak and Hindu India.

    9) In 1971, Pak got divided too and half of Pak (by population) has gone. But that part is still an indepndent muslim country.

    10) According to Indian constituion, Kashmir is Integral part of India but Pak holds 33,000 sq miles and China holds 45,000 sq of Atoot ang (integral part) of India and India cant do anything except just show whole of Kashmir into its map. India has just 2/5 of the Kashmir which is always under Curfew.

    Now If you look at the history of last 1400 years, even a child can decide who is on the loss throughout the history. A time will come soon when India will again be divided into its original pieces and will go to its real owners who has ruled much of the India for most of the time. I am not saying it. It is history who is saying this.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    There is no need to write such a long post for 1400 years of History…
    It can be summed into four parts-
    1. Muslim invaders attacked India
    2. Ancestors of Sal, Azhar, Musharraf surrendered and gave their women for rape.
    3. The product of Islamic rape are now populating Pakistan and India.
    4. These products of rape are now proud of rapes committed on their grandmas..They have turned into terrorists now..

    Sal, this is your 1400 years history..Zara si bhi sharam nahi hai tum logo ko….Kya tum kabhi nahi sochetey ki tumhari Jananiya invaders se rape hui thi…
    Besharam saale..

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajeev

    And your women have done abortions after getting raped by mulsim invaders.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    NO sal . Just remember you came out as a by product !! :D :D

    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    Arey bhai..We were the one who raped your women. How could you forget us.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    You are really brave..you know in your heart that you are product of rape..but just like all pakistanis you live in denial.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sal,
    You are actually saying that you raped your own grandmom..only low lives muslims could do that…No wonder you call low life Mohammad as perfect human being…

    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    The size of your write up is inversly proportional to the size of your brain.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Kushagra

    I know You dont like your history.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Sal – You’re proof that evolution can go in reverse.

  • vijay kumar

    Obviously you got all this shit out of history books written by Gen Zia, Mulla Omar and Hafeez Saeed!!

    No wonder Pakistan is considered a joke all over the world and laughed at!!

    Pyaare Sal…when are you becoming a suicide bomber to avenge the Rape of your grandmother by
    Ahmed Shah Abdali ?????????????? :D :D :D

    Make sure you dont kill Azhar by accident !!
    ha ha ha ha :D :D :D

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    I understand your fustration.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    :D :D :D The new NATIONAL ANTHEM of Pakistan :D :D :D :D

    ~~~:)~~~YEH PAKISTAANI MAANGE MORE~~~:)~~~

    Sal.

    You tried to make fun of India Sal. Now look into the crooked mirror Azhar holds!!

    Less than 1.9 dollars a day for all Pakistanis!!

    Last heard …your shah Quereshi is washing thre bottom of Italians for Aid(s).

    Still Somalia, Ethopia dn Malawi are left from you can beg for MOre :D :D

    The new National anthem of Pakistan iS

    YEH PAKISTANI MAANGE MORE :) :) :)

    HA HA HA AHAH:D :D :D Wah awhwhWAHHH :D :D

    Wah bhai wah

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  • vijay kumar

    Dear Sal. Azhar and Mumtaz

    Read today;s Yahoo news :D

    “One reason Pakistan is sometimes called the most dangerous country in the world is this: a kindergarten child has only a 1 per cent chance of reaching the 12th grade. The average Pakistani child is significantly less likely to be schooled than the average child in sub-Saharan Africa…..”

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    For a full excerpt, please read yeterday’s New York Times op-ed by Nicholas Kristoff.

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  • jai vaidya

    Azhar,
    Raju was talking about Mohajirs , not about “people of Karachi”. We know there are different ethnic groups in Karachi. I don’t think you will find any Mohajirs in Sohrab Goth. Of course you would like to have Altaf Hussain killed. Has it not happened before? Bugti a Baloch killed, Bhutto , a Sindhi and a Shia killed., relatives of Frontier Gandhi threatened to be killed. Is this how you negotiate with political opponents? I think Altaf Hussain’s statement in New Delhi that Parition was the biggest blunder on the Indian subcontinent and is plea for forgiveness for the Mohajirs mistake in judgement in 1947 has hit you nwhere it hurts.You also need constant reminder of the 300,000 Urdu-speaking Mohajirs , Pakistani citizens that yoou have abandoned in Bangladesh.
    Indian soldiers’ suicides is the result of the stress of working with one hand tied behind their backs Their orders are to strictly avoid collateral damage while the ISI thugs take cover behind women and stone-pelting chil;dren.Now let’s see how your army fights your Pakthoon citizens, First, it’s a barrage of heavy artillery, then sorties by laser-guided F16s, and finally helicoptor gunships. So while the Indian army uses foot patrol you are using air power.
    You talk of numerous army chiefs from Karachi, but I see only two Mohajirs, Baig and MusharafSure Shaoukat Aziz is from Karachi, but cannot find a safe seat to stand in elections there, or for that matter, in Punjab. He won from Pathan-dominated Attock and form the Hindu majoritrydisputed border district of Thar Parkar .Karachi is in an acute law-and-order problem with political overtones. You cannot even openly use a cell phone in Karachi wiithout the threat of getting attacked and your cell phone stolen.
    Sal, the Mughal dynasty did not end with British intervention . It was dead and gone by th eMaratha and Sikh empires.The British gained dominaance in India by the end of the Anglo-Sikh and Anglo-Maratha wars.I know this is very hard for you to digest given your history education.

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    Sal Reply:

    Mahartha was defeated by Ahmed Shah Abdali in 1762 in third war of Pani Pat.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Pyaare Sal,

    No reply on a) 90% Pakistanis living at less than 1.9 dollars a day??? :D

    b) The Pakistani national anthem of ” Yeh Pakistani maange more…”

    Based on Pakistan begging for Aid from all over the world !!! :D :D :D

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    You have a serious mental problem becasue a person of your age doesnt behave likem you. Anyways here is the figure below

    60% of Pak lives less than 2$ in a day and 22% of Pak lives less than 1% in a day.

    75.6% of India lives less than 2$ in a day and 41..6% of India lives less than 1% in a day.

    The reference is from Wrold Bank.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    World bank is too scared to collect statistcs in Pakistan, UN officials are routinely kidnapped and killed by pure Pakistanis for ransom.

    India has a higer per capita income. And much much higher income based on purchasing power parity. I have done the calculations above.

    Also if you compare the prices of commodities, the prices in Pakistan, I found out were almost 40% higher.

    Further on had it not been for Aid, your per capita income would have surely matched Somalia and Malawi :D :D

    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    What a fool are you. Really you are the only master piece of your own kind. World Bank is scared….Ah…

    I have explained earlier quite a lot of times that Indian PCI is sightly higher than Pak PCI because of its 50 US billionaire. If you take out this 50 billionarie US $ then Indian PCI is actually very loww and this is the reason, there are only 22% of Pak lives below US $ while in India it is double as % is 41.6% in Indian side.

    Look only 22% of Pak lives less than 1$ in a day
    Where 41.6% of India lives less than 1$ in a day…

    What a huge difference…Almost double…..Shame on you…Shame on you for having 800 millions of pople who lives less than 2$ in a day and who dont have anything to do with India-Pak and they just want a 2 meal food a day.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Raju you are right other communities also live in Karachi, but you care to read the history of Karachi since 1947, this is blessed with human talent from around the country. The city has prospered and more developed than any other city. Problem started when literacy rate in rest of Pakistan increased, hence compitition for jobs also increased. It became harder for people find jobs compared to previous years. And ofcourse the quota system did not produced results what it was designed for, thereby increasing the frustration. Jobs, economic opportunity, education health etc are problems throughout the country not just Karachi. But this guy Altaf Hussain only talks about Muhajirs, and he uses that card very well. As far as his speech in New Delhi goes, it was all music to your guys but let me assure he will never be able to come back to Pakistan. As far as high profile jobs goes, go check the background of people you will be surpirsed to see the ratio of Muhajirs as compared to the percentage of population. Having said that this problem will be solved, their allegence to Pakistan cannot be questioned just because of Altaf Hussain. As far as Bihari’s staranded in Bangladesh goes, most Pakistanis are ashamed of this and most will tell you that they should be brought back to their real home, Pakistan. Quite a few were settled in Punjab but they all ended up in Karachi after a couple of years. This is why Sindhi’s object to it, because they are afraid they will become minority in their own province.

    It is not easy for a country when CIA, RAW and KGB are invovlved in creating the law and order situation in the entire country. Yes extremists are invovled in it too and the army is taking good care of them, but geopolitical sistuation is not helping at all. Before I forget, inept leaders cross the board are the cause of majority of our problems. You guys are lucky in this department.

    Take care

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Vijay,
    What became of your moderation skills?

    Usman what are you talking about, “moderation skills”. Nothing but nonsense comes out of these guys when it comes to Muslims and Pakistan.

    Asa far me and Sal are concerned we are just replying in kind. On numerous occasions I have requested these jokers to calm down and lets talk about positives in each others communities and country, which will eventually lead to better atmosphere for discussion but these guys needle is stuck on “Criminal Pakistan” Break Pakistan and everything evil Islam. That is why I have a contract to show them the MIRROR, so that they see their ugly faces from time to time. These fellows are too drunk in blowing their own trumphet.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    I wonder what kool-aid you are drinking and what history and political science you are studying..

    India has a larger number of Muslims tahan you have. Pakistan is a criminal state – everybody is in agreement on that. what is the problem with you? Tell me one country that has said Pakistan is good, they are doing everything they can to wipe out terrorism.

    Indians do not say everything is evil with Islam. We do say that there are a lot of Muslims hell bent on damaging and destroying the world. Is it a false statement? And fortunately for India, so far, all these crazies came from other countries, except the Bangalore muslim boy who exploded in Glasgow.

    india is avibrant exciting place to be. Its colors, festivals, diversity–all r intoxicating. Whatever problem one may have with Sonia Gandhi (that dont we have one of our own to lead), the very fact that, a woman, christian, who is not born in this country, could harness the people and respect of the country speaks volume on the rich heritage of this country. At the end of the day, this country blessed by “rishis” will survive and thrive–It is in its genes nurtured over 7000 years, passing from generation to generation; whatever religion, language, creed you believe in.

    I am a Christian, proud of my Indian heritage. When defence minister Antony speaks, he does not speak for Christians, neither he speaks for Kerala state; he speaks for the eternal india.

    So, get over it… look into urself –u guys are now stating that you are descendents of Arabs..Howw low one can stoop to, to deny ones own parentage?..

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @ Hussain – Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but you abuse the privilege.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Raju

    From your post it seems there are lots of hindu blood droplets still remaining in your bloodstream.

    You are talking same nonsense your fellow country men talk. Pakistan has done more and suffered more because of terrorism, thats why you need to get your facts together before blabbering.

    As far as terrorism through out the world goes, mass murder has beeen done by your Christian brothers in Palestine, Lebanon, Checnya, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. RAJU go read the number of dead Muslims because your Chirstian brothers deeds. So you want these people to lay down and do nothing. Count the bodies starting from lets say after World War 2, and you will see what I mean. That is ONLY if you See. RAJU someone will have to pay the price of these deaths, don’t you think?

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    I have Hindu as wella s Indian. Because at the end of teh day my ancestors are Hindus and Indians. Unlike urs, which are Arabs! heheheheh

    So, you are killing each other because a christian has killed soembody in Palestine?

    Listen, you ahve to get “christian”, “hindu” etc out of your systems. Christians do not go and kill or bomb. Countries do. If Iraquis have a problem with US; let Iraquis take it on US (it is perfectly legitimate). What does a Pakistani have to do with Iraq? or Palestine?

    US has done attack on Iraq. Not Christians on Muslims.

    If us ee evertythinga s ISlam vs others u will have to go to an asylium.

    So, you do not have any Hindu blood in you? Is it because both from ur motehr and father side you are Arab?

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    Sal Reply:

    @Raju Kerin

    This is what you people cannot understand. There is no concept of nationalism in Islam.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Christians do not go and kill or bomb. Countries do.” Really you sound like an innocent child.

    Why were you indians jumping like monkeys, when the terrorist Taliban destroyed the Bhudda?
    Why on this forum every joker talks about the plight of Hindus in Pakistan?
    Why did you guys put your noses in Srin Lanka?
    Why was India bending out of shape, when president o Fiji was overthrown?
    Why do guys talk about Hindus in Malaysia and Indonesia?

    Why Why? Even though in all these places there was no mass murder, like it has happened in Palestine, Checnya, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. We have to expose your murders in those places. Just like the Jews bring in the Holocast every chance they get.

    More murder and mayhem created by Christians from Asia, Africa, Australia, America and South and Central America. So don’t try to pretend that nothing happened.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @RAju

    “So, you do not have any Hindu blood in you? Is it because both from ur motehr and father side you are Arab?”

    Your non-Muslims mind at it again. One thing for sure we i.e 99.999999% Muslims know who their father is, do you?

    cheers

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Azhar

    If you are sure you have arab 100% blood in you then you have no right to be in the terrirtory called Pakistan… you should go back to Pakistan

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  • vijay kumar

    Go back to Arabia I mean.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @Vijay

    You are a nobody to talk to me like this, understand that. And nobody is claiming to be an Arabian either. We are Pakistanis NOT Indians understand that.

    Do wash your hands before you meet a Dalit or does he have to do? What a shameful culture you belong to Vijay.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Hussain – I know you are nobody’s fool but maybe someone will adopt you.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Baby Azhar,

    The caste system in Indai is dyeing and almost dead because secular India is looking forward to the future …

    But …

    Since Pakistan takes inspiration from Ahmed Shah Abdali, Osma Bin Laden and Dawood Ibrahim… your future is in their hands :D

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Kushagra

    Boy did I hurt your feelings or do you guys always react like this when shown the facts…which one is it boy?

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    @Hussain – You are only in the business of ignoring the facts. I’ll start being nicer, if you’ll start being smarter

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Kushagra,

    An education curriculam designed by Dawood Ibrahin, Mulla Omar and Hafeez Saeed cannot produce students brighter than Azhar and Sal :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    If you are not a convert… then you are a foreigner…. Azhar and Sal; go back to Saudia… :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    The new NATIONAL ANTHEM of Pakistan :D :D :D :D

    ~~~:)~~~YEH PAKISTAANI MAANGE MORE~~~:)~~~ :D :D :D

    Sal. Azhar

    You tried to make fun of India Sal. Now answer this

    Less than 1.9 dollars a day for all Pakistanis!!

    Last heard …your shah Quereshi is washing thre bottom of Italians for Aid(s).

    Still Somalia, Ethopia dn Malawi are left from you can beg for MOre :D :D

    The new National anthem of Pakistan iS

    YEH PAKISTANI MAANGE MORE :) :) :)

    HA HA HA AHAH:D :D :D Wah awhwhWAHHH :D :D

    Wah bhai wah

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Pakistan ka matlab kya..
    l*nd pe chade humko kya…

    Gali Gali mein shor hai, pakistan mahachor hai…

    It is time to free Balochis from punjabi mafia ruling pakistan…

    Long live independent SECULAR republic of Balochistan…

    Down Down Rapist and Raped ISLAMIC FASCIST TERRORIST republic of pakistan…

    It is a country populated by 170 million HARAMZADE muslims..

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  • http://na smiths

    Dear Sir
    Nice article
    we should really emphasize on this
    “PS: Keeping all our eggs in the US basket will not be wise. Let’s prepare to receive Russia’s Medvedev, China’s Wen Jiabao and France’s Sarkozy with equal gusto”
    Regards

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  • vijay kumar

    @Azhar and Sal,

    We are happy that you guys are out of secular India. We dont want you here. Go spread your hatred and suicide bombings amongst your own kin :)

    So have you contacted Somalis , Ethopia and Malawi for Aid (s)

    Pakistan ka matalb kya ???

    Humko Aid do… tumlo kya…:) :D

    YEH PAKISTANI MAANGE MORE :D

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @Vijay Kumar

    Really India is a secular country where mosques, gurdawara and churches get burnt and where muslim women, dalit women and huns get raped. Really India is a most secular country of the world.

    What a fool are you. Really you are the only master piece of your own kind. World Bank is scared….Ah…

    I have explained earlier quite a lot of times that Indian PCI is sightly higher than Pak PCI because of its 50 US billionaire. If you take out this 50 billionarie US $ then Indian PCI is actually very loww and this is the reason, there are only 22% of Pak lives below US $ while in India it is double as % is 41.6% in Indian side.

    Look only 22% of Pak lives less than 1$ in a day
    Where 41.6% of India lives less than 1$ in a day…

    What a huge difference…Almost double…..Shame on you…Shame on you for having 800 millions of pople who lives less than 2$ in a day and who dont have anything to do with India-Pak and they just want a 2 meal food a day.

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    Sal Reply:

    @nuns

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sal,Sal;
    tum nahin sudhroge yeh to samajh main aa gaya hai. Now, saudi Arabian forces are being trained by india to save Mecca and Madina from muslims like you. How you like it?. you are a frog in the well. you have not seen the world. Now world has lost its patience with pakistan and will finish it in a decade or so, if you do not mend your ways.
    for Indian bloggers:
    why we are responding to these pitiables. your response gives them encouragement. just ignore them. I would like to have some serious discussion with Haris, Usman and such people. No acrimonious debate, just exchange of ideas.
    Sal, you do not belong here. you have not been invited, why you gatecrash.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Pankaj

    Give me the refernce that shows Saudia Arabian forces are tarined by Indians. Every time you prove me that you are the most ediot person of thos blog like Vijay Kumar (you have a very tough competition with Vijay Kumar) who can say anyhting without any logic.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Pyare,
    Search for your self. why I should do your dirty work. A small hint. Look into few issues of TOI.
    This is my last response to you, Cretin!!!

  • vijay kumar

    Sal what is the score card for killing Shias, Ahemadiyas and Hindus today?

    What is the scorecard for Aid begging for today

    What is the sccorecard for heroin export today???
    :D

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Christian_violence_in_India

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  • vijay kumar

    Not only is all of Pakistan living below 1.9 dollars

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  • vijay kumar

    NOt only is Pakistan poor it is also morally bankrupt, physically corrupt and downright untrustworty.

    Sal you should go to the fields of Pakistan and stop the production of heroin and kill evil ISI and terrorists. Why spend your time exhibiting your jealousy of India’s secularism, pogress and growth?? :D :D :D r

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  • Mumtaz Mir

    I was lucky to have seen when this happened. The got what they deserved

    Avalanche kills 15 soldiers in Kashmir
    KASHMIR

    Share this on:Mixx Facebook Twitter Digg delicious reddit MySpace StumbleUpon LinkedIn February 08, 2010|Mukhtar Ahmad CNN
    An avalanche struck an army training camp in Indian-controlled Kashmir on Monday, killing 15 troopers and injuring 17 others, and Indian army spokesman said.

    Rescue crews were working in heavy snowfall to reach two other Indian soldiers who remained missing, an army spokesman said.

    The soldiers were among 350 training to survive high altitudes in the ski resort of Gulmarg, about 10,000 feet above sea level and 27 miles (45 km) northwest of Srinagar.

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    Kushagra Bhatnagar Reply:

    How did you get there? Did someone leave your cage open?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    good One Kushagra !!:D

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    Kushagra Reply:

    Thanks Vijay :)

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Are Mir
    Abhi tak tum azad nahin huye? tumhe baraf nahin koi soldier hee marega. Kya tumahara number 8000035 rakhun? Chaay ki shart per, tumahre ghar main ghus kar tumhe mara jaye to kaisa rahe.

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    Sal Reply:

    And how will be your response when ISI agian will kill you on the roads just like it did in 26/11.

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Rajiv @ Rajeev @ Kushagra @ PAnkaj @Raju

    @ SAL & Azhar

    :D :D :D :D :D BREAKING NEWS ! BREAKING NEWS ! BREAKING NEWS !!! :D :D :D :D

    ~~~~~~~~~~~ :D :D The JOKE of the CENTURY :D :D ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Seen on CNN, Fox News, BBC, NDTV

    Two guys from Pakistan, wearing the Arabic dress of the white robe and moving around in the Antartica on ice along with penguins.

    They are Sal and Azhar who believe that they have genuine Arab blood and hence the robe!!

    Both of them suddenly start washing the bottoms of the penguins !!! :D :D :D

    In the vackground we can also see Shah Quereshi, Rehaman Malik and Gilani also washing the bottom of the penguins !!

    Why ??? WHY ??? WHY???

    Because all believe that the two legged penguins are the human residents of the country!!

    And washing their bottom will yield lot of Aids… :D :D :D :D :D :D

    H aha ha ha ha hAHHAA :D :D :D :D :D What a bunch of Jokers

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    G. Mustafa Reply:

    Further to news of media, caught in the act was another strange character from India (later revealing himself as vijay kumar). He was caught on complaint of a penguin whom he also called as being Indian and his forefathers being from india. He is under observation in police custody of antarctica for further examination. Two experts from Pakistan are examining his mental state of illness.
    End of story.

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    Mustafa

    Vijay represents a typical Indian….scared s–t of Pakistan and Islam…yet always blowing his own trumphet…finally asking US and others to do this to Pakistan and do that to Pakistan..eventually exposing his own weakness….can’t do didley squat to Pakistan without others help.

    Inside he knows Uncle Sam & the its lap dog UK running away from Iraq; Uncle Sam & NATO forces getting the beating of their life time in Afghnistan, that is why they are creating problems in Pakistan…ofcourse this hindus will do that job……Cheap labor

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  • vijay Kumar

    @ Mustafa,

    Nobody understands your nonsense. All we know is Pakistan is the creator of world terror.

    And it now demands money from the world pretending that ti will fight this terror, but uses it to fill the coffers of tis corrupt leaders and creating more terror !! :D

    What evil jokers.

    And now ll of thm washing the botom of penguins to get more Aid !! :D :D :D

    Ha ha ha ha ha ::) :) :)

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Azhar and Sal.

    New excuse for aid…

    I am just giving the first line of the story in today’s DAWN of the new Pakistani excuse for gatting aid from all countries in the world.

    Top Stories
    Billions of dollars needed for reconstruction: Gilani International community should support the country so that the nation knows it is not alone: Gilani

    Hey Sal and Azhar… you guiys are rich. Why do you pester the world for aid?? :D :D :D

    The reason given is fighting terrorism– which Pakistan alone creates becasue .

    With one hand your jehadis, army and ISI create terror. Then your PM and all Pakistanis plead the world for Aid !!! Five fingers are dipped in ghee and face is in the vessal !!

    You guys should earn money the good old way– by hardwork, sincerity, economic growth and welfare of the poor/

    But of course you won’t. Begging is far more easier !!
    and also nuclear blackmail….
    Ha ha ha :D :D :D :D

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    Sal Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar

    Is it not better for you to do something for your 800 millions of indians who lives less than 2$ in a day. I know these 800 millions have nothing to do with India Pak and they just want 2 meal food a day. I wish you could have been in this massive 800 millions of list.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay Kumar
    Yes, I also saw this news in a Pakistan newspaper where PM Gilani is asking more billions of dollars for aid from International community so that Pakistan people know they are not alone in this hour of natural disaster. There was another news item where the HM Mr. Malik asking the international community to waive off the earlier loans. I simply wonder how that nation can have international credibility where in the first instance loans are requested and then later requested for these to be waived off. Compare it with our approach when about two decades back, we had mortgaged the gold reserves of the country so as not to default in international loan payments. But now the tables are turned. Not only that gold has been redeemed, our country is contributing in a big not only to International funds but also contributed 25 (or 20 ?) million dollars to Pakistan as a help during the natural calamity caused by floods.
    I think our Pakistani friends should ponder over these facts.
    Regards
    BNA

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  • vijay Kumar

    Dear Sal,

    Indians in India are prospering and shining . We dont need your sympathies.

    Rather you should bother about the Pakistanis who are all becoming suicide bombers. Some are terrorists, others are killers and others will go to foreign lands to kill.

    Soon the entire world may bomb Pakistan for this.

    And the PM, President<Interior Minsiter, Foreign Minister of Pakistan are only intersted in begging for aid worldwide :D :D

    Ahh yes… you can keep rubbing the bottom of penguins… like you rub the bottom of all the countries in the world… for aid :D :D

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    Sal Reply:

    You are right. 800 millions are shinning.

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    Mumtaz Mir Reply:

    And prospering

    We are giving them a beating they will never forget…..Kashmir

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  • vijay kumar

    Sal

    U r too brainwashed by Mulla Omar, Hafeez Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim to receive anything positive :D :D

    Go go to the corner where uncle Hamid Gul is waiting with a toffee in hand. After you eat the toffee, Uncle Hamid Gul will give you a jacket which you have to wear and then go to the house of a Shia like Mumtaz Mir…

    and then press a button . Whoooom… u will get jannat…:D :D

    @Mumtaz

    Watch out… a crooked Pakistani is about to come… one button later both of you could be in jannat :D

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  • vijay kumar

    @ Mumtaz Mir,

    Below your facade of a Kashmiri… I can of course see the transvestite called Azhar Hussain :D :D

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  • vijay kumar

    India;s power in UN is already showing. Kashmir has been dropped by the UN for ever from today. See details in NDTV report

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    Sal Reply:

    The full report is UN has accepted its mistake and assure Pak that it will be included in its next report.

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  • vijay kumar

    The only tourists Pakistan gets is would be suicide bombers….

    As Far as Pakistanis are concerned their slogan is ” Pakistan se ZINDA BHAAG ” :D :D

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  • vijay Kumar

    :D :D :D :D BREAKING NEWS !! ANOTHER FEATHER IN THE CAP OF WorlD CHAMPIONS of TERROR- – PAKISTAN :D :D :D :D

    Somalia, Pak top world terror risk list
    Indo-Asian News Service
    London, November 16, 2010First Published: 12:13 IST(16/11/2010)
    Last Updated: 13:12 IST(16/11/2010)Share more…3 Comments Email print

    Pakistan is in the second spot in the world terrorism risk index (TRI), said a risk-advisory firm report that places Somalia at number one. Global risks advisory firm Maplecroft prepared the index after assessing the frequency and intensity of terrorist incidents in 196 countries. The report places 16 countries in the ‘extreme risk’ category. While Iraq is placed third, Afghanistan is number four. Colombia, Thailand, Philippines, Yemen

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  • Azhar Hussain

    @Vijay aka Rajiv aka Rajeev aka Paritosh

    Arun Khrishnamurty is Azhar Hussain because he said something against undia

    Now Mumtaz Mir is Azhar Hussain because he keeps teasing you guys with Azadi Video of Kashmir with Pakistan Flag flying high

    ISI has been replaced by Azhar Hussain, thats a very hard act to follow but I will do my best

    I am glade I am getting under your skin, now thats when it really gets painfull

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  • Anonymous

    Media & politicians are in unholy relationship. This has been exposed by circumstantial evidences as well as Neera Radia tapes. People of this country previously easily got influenced by media; thanks to presence of uncompromising personalities in the media! Today this fourth pillar of democracy has crumbled in to tiny pieces. The pieces have been purchased by politicians to be used as paper weights on their misdeeds. PEOPLE HAVE LOST ALL THE FAITH & TRUST IN THE MEDIA & MORE PARTICULARLY VIR SANGHVI

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  • Anonymous

    Media & politicians are in unholy relationship. This has been exposed by circumstantial evidences as well as Neera Radia tapes. People of this country previously easily got influenced by media; thanks to presence of uncompromising personalities in the media! Today this fourth pillar of democracy has crumbled in to tiny pieces. The pieces have been purchased by politicians to be used as paper weights on their misdeeds. PEOPLE HAVE LOST ALL THE FAITH & TRUST IN THE MEDIA & MORE PARTICULARLY VIR SANGHVI

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  • Anil

    Do you really want people to comment on this now? Why not keep this for historians to analyse down the line after few decades?

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  • Abu Ahmed

    We have national disaster management dept, which in itself is a disaster. Whatever. However, there are standard procedures available in the market for any given situation: how to react to an earthquake, what to do in a cyclone etc etc. likewise there must be umpteen procedures already written by somebody somewhere (Defense Quality Assurance personnel, Int’l Standards Org’n, int’l media org’n so on and so forth). Shell out some money and you would find professionals to write down rules of standard behavior on the part of govts and society in face of any disaster. Don’t have to depend upon IAS officers (they are over-worked) of the machinery to frameup standard procedure for each and every eventuality.

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  • Rajan

    Gentlemen,
    The Mad Man appears again, if you search any blog in the internet, you can see the comments of So called greatest scientist of India. If you discussing local sanitation work he will bring CIA there, like some high intellectual idiots refering I M mushriff’s book “who killed Karkare” even in cookery show

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  • Spicierboar

    s@@la Congress ka Dalla…his was also one of voices figuring in the Radia Tapes, if I recollect correctly…so the father will have to close shop while the son gets employed by Walmart…m@dr Ch0d teri to g@Nd tod doonga

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JRL42KKUAFYBZSO37F3KEBLEDM Shajan

    Super markets like big bazaar, food world, Reliance fresh etc have come up in many places. They did not displace the small shops. If Walmart/Tesco comes up, those who go to big bazaar etc will have an additional choice. BTW, farmers get 1 or 2 rupee /kg of onion/potato which are sold for 16 to 20 rupee in retail. Should middlemen eat away what should be due to the hardworking farmer?

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  • http://nuclearsupremacyforindiaoverus.blogspot.com/ Satish Chandra

    Indians as a rule are inferior Indian niggers unfit to talk about strategic matters, especially if it involves the White Master in any way, which it always does. That is why in his ‘Mein Kampf’ Adolf Hitler said “As for India, I would rather see India under the British than under any one else”. It is not just that a handful of the British from half way around the world ruled India for centuries; a lot of other people from various countries did that for a thousand years before that.

    A modern day Babar will start each day by killing a million Indians before breakfast every morning, though some think three million will be better (this number can be herded into fairly small extermination circles and then a neutron bomb exploded over them).

    I am an Indian, but as far above the other Indians as they may be above cockroaches.

    For more, see my blog titled ‘Nuclear Supremacy for India Over U.S.’ which can be found by a Yahoo/Google search with the title.

    RAW routinely posts abuse on what I say; ignore it; these criminals are guilty of the gravest treason, deserve the death penalty and that is what they will get. There are also pieces of dog-faeces, like the one named Dung who are bio-degradable and nature will take care of them

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  • Anonymous

    “Travel back in time. Reflect on what happened in Randhikpur on February 28, 2002, a day after yet-to-be-unidentified people torched a train bogey carrying kar sevaks (Hindu devotees) in Godhra.”

    The court has already convicted dozens of muslims for their role in Godhra train burning but our communal Zia calls them yet-to-be-unidentified people.

    Whereas not a single allegation thrown at Modi has been proven, Zia the bigot is asking for his head.

    Like all Jahil muslims this Zia fellow always feels muslims are innocent and hindus are guilty.

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    engrich Reply:

    90%of them are released by gujrat high court,remaining will be aquitted by supreme court.compartment was attacked by vhp goons to provide reason
    for riot,which was preplanned.

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  • engrich

    suddenly somebody saw a group of green and half moon flag wielding men with screams of Allah Ho Akbar

    .as per FIR pumps to extinguish fire were brought by muslims. they extinghuished the fire.this was election time,modi and his gang was the main benefeciary of this act.muslims had no reason to do this.they knew the result.

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  • engrich

    rajx this is lie.there was no mascare of hindus in kashmir .pundits were removed by jagmohan ,hindu nazi,to save them from the torture of non stop curfew.which continued for months,and to comunalize issue.still there are thousands of pundits living friendly and yatras pass peacefully.fire in godhra compartment was ignited by hindu zoinists,as they were the only beneficiary of this nefarious act.

    hindu zoinistsn also killed hiren pandya,a brhmn,for same purpose.

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  • engrich

    People like Zia actually fit the worst stereotypes about Muslims of being cult like and not

    if je wrote anything wrong challange him.rss represent satanic forces on indian soil.

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  • Anonymous

    Well he is “low caste hindu recent convert”. So it is expected , he is more rabid muslim than the ones from arabia .THE SAME WITH ZAKIR NAIK, all
    low caste conversion syndrome , full of anger and malcontent

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit challange if anything wrong.

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  • Kumars1

    Nobody can come close to Muslims in the victimhood game. Look all around in the world. Nigeria, Syria, Libya, Bahrain, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Russia, Kosovo, Lebanon, UK, USA, Afghanistan, Thailand, Georgia, Pakistan, India, Sudan, Eqypt, Yemen and on and on. Who is to be blamed? Non-Muslims of course! Muslims? They are peace loving docile non-violent folk!

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    engrich Reply:

    all these countries u mentioned above are victim of cia-alqaida mafia game plan to control energy resources.

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    engrich Reply:

    all these countries u mentioned above are victim of cia-alqaida mafia game plan to control energy resources.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Look, sectarian killings take place all over the world. However, most people realise the same to be inhuman, illegal and illegitimate. What we are seeing in India is just the opposite. In our case, its a bit different. Here, in 1992, Babri Masjid is demolished before the eyes of the whole world, live on TV, the biggest show of irreligious act on display – para-military forces, police and in fact the whole state administration and machinery is standing by helplessly, unable to maintain law and order. Twenty years have gone by, not a single person is convicted for an act carried out with milions of eye-witnesses, audio-visual records and what have you. National TV, international media, journalists, police and state administration officials, in short there is no dearth of evidence. Ten years later, the same story is repeated in Gujarat. Whatever evidenced is provided has not been considered by the SIT. Therefore, Modi is innocent till proven guilty. Whether it is 1992 or 2002, the state administrations of UP and Gujarat are responsible for a massive cover-up of the guilty. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE – THE STATE ADMINISTRATIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COVERING UP THE CRIME AND HELPING THE GUILTY, WHEREAS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE MORE CIVILIZED WORLD, THE CONCERNED ADMINISTRATIONS HELP THE CAUSE OF JUSTICE. IN MERA BHARAT MAHAN, THE GOVT & THE ADMINISTRATION IS HELPING THE KILLERS & THE GUILTY GET AWAY FROM LAW.
    BANEY HAIN AHLE HAWAS MUDDAYEE BHI, MUNSIF BHI
    KISEY WAKEEL KAREIN, KIS SE MUNSIFI CHAHEIN

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    engrich Reply:

    this is called hindu justice ststem which is meant only for poors.what india want is sharia.

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  • engrich

    In J&K, massive killing was done of Hindus

    tell me where and number of people killed which paper it was published.

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  • engrich

    In J&K, massive killing was done of Hindus

    tell me where and number of people killed which paper it was published.

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  • engrich

    hari u tell me

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  • engrich

    hari u tell me

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  • engrich

    anothr feather in the cap of harday samrat,

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday questioned the Gujarat government for initiating a probe against social activist Teesta Setalvad for her alleged role in a case of illegal exhumation of the bodies of the 2002 riot victims, saying it is a “spurious” case to victimise her.
    “This is a hundred percent spurious case to victimise the petitioner (Setalvad),” said a bench of justices Aftab Alam and Ranjana Prakash Desai.

    While criticising the state government for beginning the probe against Setalvad, it added, “this type of case does no credit to the state of Gujarat in any way.”

    “This case is hundred percent spurious. In other cases against petitioner, there may be something,” the bench said.

    Besides this case, the Gujarat government has also lodged criminal proceedings against her in other riot-related cases. The bench was of the view that it was not correct on the part of the Gujarat government to go ahead with the case.

    It asked senior advocate Pradeep Ghosh, who appeared for the Gujarat government, to go through the First Information Report (FIR) of the case and advise the government not to proceed with it.

    “You advise your client not to proceed with this type of case. You should show some responsibility and tell the government not to proceed with the case,” the bench said.

    While posting the matter for March 23, the bench asked the senior counsel to go through the FIR “passionately” and tell the court as to what does he feel about it.

    The bench also asked Gujarat government’s standing counsel Hemantika Wahi to go through the FIR.

    The bench was hearing a petition by Setalvad against the May 27 order of the Gujarat High Court, which had refused to quash the FIR registered against her at a police station in Panchmahal district of the state on exhumation of the bodies from a graveyard near river Panam.

    While making the critical remarks against the Gujarat government for initiating the probe against Setalvad in the body exhumation case, the bench said its interim stay, imposed on July 29, 2011 on criminal proceedings against Setalvad in the case would continue till the next date of hearing.

    “Interim stay to continue till the next date” it said.

    Responding to the apex court notice, the state government had in its affidavit justified its probe against Setalvad in the case saying she actually planned and executed the digging of the graves without any permission in 2006.

    It had claimed that during the probe into the case, it has emerged that “Teesta Setalvad, the petitioner herein, was the main accused, who actually planned and executed this operation of digging of graves near Pandarwada through her staff.”

    The government had said the other accused have claimed innocence and had blamed Setalvad for instigating them to carry out the exhumation, which is a penal offence.

    “Exhumation of the dead bodies without prior permission of the competent authorities constitutes an offence under sections 192 (fabricating false evidence), 193 (punishment for false evidence, 201 (causing disappearance of evidence), 120-B criminal conspiracy), 295(A) (deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings) and 297 (trespassing on burial places) of IPC,” the affidavit had said.

    It was alleged that in 2002, about 28 unidentified bodies of the riot victims from Pandarwada and surrounding villages in Khanpur taluka were buried in the graveyard.

    Earlier, the high court had declined to scrap the FIR, but had quashed the summons, which had termed her as absconding

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  • engrich

    u have converted india into jurrasic park and say that u are secular.paistan and bangladesh are far more secular than india.roads and shops are full of elephants monkeys and plus lnd.and u call india secular.ha haha.600 communal riots no one is punished and india is secular.

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  • Anonymous

    This is tribe of Zia…Jahil ganwaar..

    http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2735

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  • RajX

    People like you are not blameless. You have unwisely turned your own community into foreigners in their own country by allowing ramphant arabization among your community which puts ummah above country and messes up their identity as Indian citizens. You have to lay in the bed you have prepared. The breakup of this country by fanatical Muslims in 1947 doesn’t seem to have taught any lessons to many Muslims in India. Your future is in India and not with the ummah. Learn to keep your religious identity subservient to your national identity and learn to look at the world as made up of humans and not as made up by believers and non believers. Groups like RSS and shiv sena are a response to Islamist fanaticism. You can’t have one without the other.

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