Kashmir’s molehills

I agree with Vinod that BJP is over-reacting. It should keep quiet for now and let interlocutors start working. It should keep sharp eye on developments that are in response to these interlocutors actions or statements. I am pretty sure these interlocutors are as patriotic as Congressmen and will take care of Indian interest as per congress ethos.
The need of the hour is to bring separatists to the centerstage and hand over fate of J&K in their hands because only they know the true meaning of justice, secularism and democracy.
I am sure, India will be able to settle Kashmir dispute as per the wishes of Pakistan and Kashmiri separatists.

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@Vinod Sharma,

I think we are unnecessarily scared of taking the Kashmiri separatists and idiots inside India by the horns.

Just because Arundhati is a woman with cut hair and speaks English, and has pretensions of being a writer she is allowed to rabble rouse by an over reverent media and HOme Minister. I say pretensions, because if anybody reads the God of small things, without getting psyched by the hype, he can only conclude that it is childish gibberish. Okay.. Okay… the autobiographical book has a grand climax of an incestuous sex scene between a brother and a sister– which probably got her the booker.

But, in a democracy a publicity seeker can survive. Will she survive in the communist-Maoist dictatorship she espouses , or in the fundamentalist Pakistan style state orthodox crow Geelani proposes? No never…

Hers is just a scream for publcity.

Unfortunately we have given the same over reverence to the hardliners in Kashmir. Time we just tri-furcated and let a smaller Kashmir sink or swim without subsidies provided by the rest of India..

Why debate endlessly, forever…

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haha..vinod ji…i really had a laugh when arnab and others walked all over you tonite on times now….hehehe…you guys are getting a taste of your medicine now…and it is so delightful to see u scurrying for cover…

sorry i am not a bjp guy….its that i just dont like this dynasty business…

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I agree with Sharmaji broadly but what Sharmaji seems to forget is the track record of the Nehru-Indira dynasty and their network of coteries!

It was Nehru who gave away UNSC seat offered to India in favour of Taiwan (China became the UNSC member later)

It was Nehru who gave away the Executive Seats offered to India in the global financial Institutions such as the IMF, World Bank etc.

It was Nehru’s blind trust of the Chinese which made India so unprepared against a Chinese invasion and the “Capitalist” US President had to give an ultimatum to China to withdraw from India or else US would declare a war on China- not because US loved India but for naked geopolitical reasons.

It was Nehru who called Truman Boorish on his way home from the USA where nearly 100 billion US dollar investment was offered by top US companies for India………..

Please Sharmaji tell us how easy is to trust the Indira-Nehru dynasty which speaks like the British about India and who inserted two undefined cardinal constitutional principles in our constitution called secularism and socialism.

Socialism and Secularism are not defined in the Indian Constitution neither by a competent court- whereas the democratic form of government in India with the powers, duties, responsibilities of the respective executives, legislatures, judiciaries both at the central and state government level are all defined in the Indian Constitution.

Only politicians, academicians, vested interests, journalists, historians, opinion makers and commentators along with politicians have defined what socialism and secularism are. This itself is a betrayal of the constitutional aspirations of the 1.2 billion peoples of India.

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BJP gets into incoherent spasms of outrage at the smallest whiff of Pakistan. One good reason why it can’t lead the country till we find peace with Pakistan (never?).

BTW, Arundhati Roy’s contribution to India mustn’t be underestimated. She joined both the Narmada Bachao Andolan, and the Maoists when they were at the peak of fame. From then on, the movements got so derailed by posturing that they lost a lot of credibility and started floundering. Now, Arundhati has joined the Azadi movement at the peak of its fame. Do the math, ye fools

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Thought process of interlocutors is apparent with remarks of Padgaonkar…..if interlocutors are going to pursue pakistani agenda, what benfit would it give to country……BJP as opposition is doing right job…and it seems that you are also fascinated by idiots like Radha Kumar and Padgaonkar….

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I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH VINOD SHARMA.NEHRU WAS FIRST TO TAKE IT TO UN. WHY NEHRU UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS DID AGREE TO ANY CONDITIONS OF PARTY ( HARI SINGH ),WHO NEEDED HELP AND PROTECTION ,IS ANYBODY’S GUESS.IF VINOD SHARMA HAS ANY STREAK OF JOURNALISM IN HIM ,HE SHOULD THROW LIGHT ON THIS ASPECT.I UNDERSTAND VINOD SHARMA ,WHO IS DYING FOR SOME RECOGNITION FROM CONGRESS, WILL NEVER COMMENT ON THAT.
HE MUST UNDERSTAND IF GREAT PADGAONKAR FEELS ,THAT PAKISTAN HAS TO BE INVOLVED,WHAT DOES IT MEAN,
-HIS NEXT STEP IS DISCUSSION IN PAKISTAN.
-IS HE APOLICY MAKER.
-HE IS PRO CONGRESS LIKE YOU IS WELL KNOWN,IS CLEAR FROM TV DEBATES, IS IT CONGRESS VIEW.
IS HE SAYING A PARLIAMENT RESOLUTION,THAT KASHMIR IS INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA IS MEANINGLESS.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW1JjIgk69A&NR=1

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“India’s interests wouldn’t be served in Kashmir by booking Geelani for sedition or sending Afzal Guru to the gallows.” :
Arresting Geelani, ok I can understand India’s hesitation to an extent. But not sentencing Afzal Guru? …Hey Ram, where are we heading? People who killed Mrs. Gandhi, didn’t they get sentenced? Was there no pressure then?

But would still agree with Sharma’s suggestion for BJP to remain quite. Sometimes, keeping quite would expose the opposing party. Like the events that unfolded after the Mandir-Masjid verdict. Hindutva group’s muted expression (without celebrations) exposed the muslim hardliner’s stubborn mentality. If it was any other way, everyone would have said Muslim’s response was only in retaliation.

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So whats next for Arundhati Roy – Punjab is not integral part of India? Arunachal Pradesh an integral part of China? Sikkim not an integral part of India? Areas under Maoist terror not integral part of India?

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An interlocutor at national level should not be comment internationally. What right has interlocutor to comment that Pakistan will be a party when they are not appointed to deal with Pakistan also ? Some people simply go over buoyant and this happened with Padgaonkar. BJP reaction is obvious and right and Congress should applause such concerns than shrugging them off and instruct interlocutors to comment within given task.

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Dear Vinod Ji,
I must say that for the first time, really, I saw you loosing your cool on a TV show. Mahesh Jethmalani did manage quite a feat yesterday on Times Now

But here is the thing – without any provocation you first belittled Mahesh by branding him as a non-eminent lawyer ! Till then he had spoken nothing against you. After that it was obvious that he will get back at you. And he did. And you lost your equanimity – arguing for fairness and why should you ghave to face insult etc ? Was it not a little hyypocritical of to argue for fairness after starting it yourself?

This is the trait that riles many, including those writing on this blog. Personal abuse coming from “liberal” brigade is fine but they should never get it back !

By the way, what’s wrong if someone brands you as a Congress sympathiser? It is no crime to be one. Journalists have choices too and it’s perfectly normal to have one openly. It’s only the protestation to the contrary that makes your motives a suspect !

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Has the UPA govt under Manmohan Singh shifted its position from what the Indian Parliament had unanimously resolved on 22 Nov 1994. Extract quoted below.

” On behalf of the People of India,

Firmly declares that-

“The state of Jammu & Kashmir has been, is and shall be an integral part of India and any attempts to separate it from the rest of the country will be resisted by all necessary means;

India has the will and capacity to firmly counter all designs against its unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity; and demands that –

Pakistan must vacate the areas of the Indian State of Jammu and Kashmir, which they have occupied through aggression; and resolves that –

all attempts to interfere in the internal affairs of India will be met resolutely.”

The Resolution was unanimously adopted. Mr. Speaker.

The Resolution is unanimously passed.

February 22, 1994 “

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These so called intralocuters are going to come out with a dead rat at the end of the dialogue process !! I am again proposing a solution which is feasible, practical and achievable. This will bring about real peace !

Trifurcating JAMMU, LADAKH and KASHMIR-
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a solution to India’s problems

Jammu and Kashmir, the northest part of united India, is our pride and yet today is crying needing our helping hand and a healing touch. So many formulae have been tried in the J&K and yet nothing seems to work as finally the separatists and the Pakistanis start creating problems and violence. Let us now, as Indians, seriously take up the proposal for tri-furcating J&K. This makes sense seeing the history and the violence which has almost killed 50,000 people.

This will strengthen the secularism of India. If we can have separate states of Ladakh and Jammu, and Kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, things will be easily managable.

The Kashmir problem which looks sizeable on the world map would immediately be reduced to the size it actually is. To a narrow strip of land, 30 km by 70 km in size.

We could then use our resources to win over the hearts and minds of the people in this strip of land. As well as create a good infrastructure for tourism and industry.

Let us at this point also remember that today, as Ladkah has been hit by a cloudburst and the population out there suffers and Sikhs In the Kashmir Valley are being asked by separatists to convert to Islam and join the violent movement, it is the separatists in the valley who are hogging the headlines and consuming all of the state’s budget….

The need for this tri-furcation has never been as urgent as now….

The salient features.

a) Kashmir should be divided in such a manner that the river flow to the rest of India is unhampered. And our military and civil administration can have a better control over the borders and insurgents.

b)Terrorist violence basically happens in 2500 sq km. Once J&K is trifurcated, it would be easy for the army and the civil administration to control 2500sq km

c)A plebiscite will never happen as we are too strong to let the world force us. However in case of a hypothetical situation that it does, then India has the right of taking the vote of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir.

d) Pakistan has already integrated Baltistan as a seperate state, so we have to see what others are doing. In fact they have changed the demographic pattern of Muzzafarabad and occupied Kashmir so that Punjabis are in a majority.

e) Once kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, it will make the separatists realise that their dream of a small landlocked independent country is futile.

f) We can revoke section 370 for Jammu and Ladakh immediately after trifurcation so that patriotic Indians from all over the country can buy land and settle there.

g) Ladakh has Lakes, mountains, and calmness as well as Buddhist tourist spots. A huge potential exists. While Jammu attracts lakhs for the Vaishno Devi Yatra.Once they shine, Kashmiris will be inspired to give up the gun and join the mainstream

h) People of Jammu and Ladakh have time and again asked for separate states or UT status. Let us make them as states. Srinagar can be the capital of all three distinct identities of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir, and would be a Union territory.

i) There is a huge section of people in Kashmir, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims who always favoured India over Pakistan or freedom. They would always remain with us. Infact they would work with double zeal to get their brothers who have been misled, back into the mainstream.

j) We should remember that tri-furcation is not secession or ceding ground to Pakistan. Infact, by dividing states in the North East of India we have considerably managed to reduce the regional tensions. Further on, division of PEPSU led to three happy states of Punjab, Haryana and HImachal. And more recently, the creation of Chattishgarh, Jharkhand and Uttrakhand has led to a fast paced development of these areas….

At the end of the day all people from the J&K region would be proud to be Indian. Currently we are holding the people of Jammu and of Leh-Ladakh hostage to the political machinations of a few outsiders.

Why should we not, as Indians, push our government to start working on this tri-furcation?

It is your duty as a proud Indian to tell your friend, your email contact, your local politician that he has to work for this.

MAIL THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS AS A STARTER !

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Dear Vinod sharma,
I have always admired your balanced and apolitical views on sensitive matters that our country is never short of. Your ‘blogs’ under the heading “seperated at birth” make a very informative study. All of us who are also sensitive citizens and who also have a patriotic spirit within us surely have something to say but rarely find a right forum. I hope this medium provides us one.
When Dilip Pudgaonkar made a statement that there can be no solution for Kahmir “dispute” without taking Pakistan in the talks, he was right in a way. Why has India always forgotten that it is Pakistan who is sitting over the Indian area called POK. The definition of POK is very crutial to India’s arguments. For example, even India’s assertion that Pakistan is using its territory for training and planning terrorist attacks will technically become toothless if Pakistan starts referring to the POK as not a part of Pakistan. It can always argue that it is a disputed land where insurgency has spread and not technically a part of Pakistan.
So Indian arguement should always be to regain its lost territory rather than harping on Pakistan’s using its territory for training terrorists. If India asserts its claim of POK and Pakistan demands a part of Indian side of Kashmir then the two can thrash out an amicable solution by recognising the
LOC as Indo – Pak border once and for all. The other alternative is of course a repeat of 1948 with our forces going through and through the POK which I am too sure they are capable of.
As regards the Confidence building measures (CBMs) between the two countries, there is no place for them in the present circumstances. While you open the borders for trade, travel and friendship, they will use it for infitration, smuggling of arms and narcotics.
Let both countries decide about the borders
As for the Kashmiris sentiments, they were a part of united India and the british rulers merged them with India due to some consideration. When the muslims across the country have accepted the accession why are they so special. That too after dishoming physically the majority Hindu population with the help of Pakistan in the last 30 out of 60 years.
I think our governments perspective of the Kashmir issue should be more assertive than submissive towards those who have secessionist and separatist inclinations.

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i feel this women A. Roy needs a good psychiatric treatment . the b*tch seems to be crossing her limits.

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Arundhati Roy is an insane , good for nothing , shameless and a worthless anti-national b*tch.

it would be better if the Indian media stops highlighting her opinions and statements.

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In yesterday’s newshour programme on Timesnow TV channel, the writer was rightly furious in not being given enough opportunity for speaking his views because the number of panelists to the Sangh parivar was large. As a frequent viewer of that programme, I feel that this is the first time Sangh parivar panelists had theopportunity of participating in such a programme in such numbers contrary to the convention that the panelists will consist mostly the SAS (Self appointed secular) parivar especially the separatists and anti national elements.Even on such occasions, the representaives from the Congress party would always take much time by talking unnecessary issues without giving straight replies especially on their misdeeds.But the writer never made such serious objections but had his say as he too was given oppourtunity.Havingbeen given an opportunity, though little, may I know why the writer did not rebutt or offer his views and take on the RSS spokesperson who touched on the bogus electoral victory of the HM(world famous but never talked by even BJP members) and the inaction of the Government against the sikhs?Why the secular softness and selective sympathy and criticisms?

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Instead of giving some insight on critical issues as usual Vinod Sharma has used his blog to propagate congress vaani by attempting to confuse readers and criticize BJP.
To start with Vinod Sharma makes a very week attempt in criticizing the BJP and its spoke person for criticizing Dileep Padgaonkar (doesn’t he sound like Manish Tiwari inspired) but matter of the fact is BJP is very right in criticizing Mr.Padgaonkar because he has no business of airing his view as interlocutor and also if Pakistan is part of kashmir issue then it is because of the mistakes of the congress government. 1971 was an excellent opportunity to settle kashmir issue but congress missed on that. Now that mistake can not be legitimized by these interlocutors. When kashmir is integral part of this country then how can Pakistan have any role to play except by giving up POK , that too we have to take it way they are not going to give it.
Vinod Sharma also makes a very feeble attempt in Protecting Omar & Rahul (the baba log) when matter of the fact is accession of Kashmir is also superseded by the parliament when it declared entire state of J&K, POK and Aksai Chin as integral part of India so their in no sense in revisiting instrument of accession until and unless intention of JK CM is to ignore or bypass that declaration.
BJP is very right when they ask for the resignation of the incumbent CM of JK as law and order has taken a back seat and entire state administration and machinery have gone for the toss. Infact laloo Yadav looks like a performer against the performance this CM of JK. the reasons that Vinod Sharma gives in the defense of JK CM is so hilarious that he himself would be laughing all the way after reading them.
Now finally coming to Gilani and his Delhi speech, it is amazing that even on this Vinod Sharma can not criticize Central/delhi govt but he chooses to criticize BJP to raking it up. How shame full Vinod Sharma? DoesThis means every body and any body who makes sedacious speech should be ignored else his view point will be known to masses? Mr. Sharma your congress masters never thought so else they would have never imposed the emergency. This is the difference Mr.Sharma that when political leaders of this country speak against corruption and authoritarian rule this country sees emergency but when Muslim saperatists talk of breaking this country people like you start criticizing the people who take on these separatists. Way to go Mr. Sharma you are truly your masters voice.

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This is not fair sharmaji deleted my comments earlier, is it a blog or sharmaji trying to create its fans club.

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I have seen Vinod Sharma arguing on TV with BJP. He never showed any restrain and now asking BJP spokesman to show it.

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Vinodji,
After many months at this blog, I was shaken by your advocacy of interlocutors. I am boiling with rage about the drama being enacted at present with Congress, continuing on the time honoured tradition of giving up indian territory to all rascals. It started with lamely acquiescing with China over Tibet, giving up that buffer state to be counted as Internationalists and falsely a fair nation. That brought China, breathing down our neck to get Nepal, Arunachal, Kashmir and whatever it can acquire forcefully. Now, in the same tradition,Dilip Padgaonkar is claiming that Pakistan is a legitimate party to Kashmir problem??. Congress could not get vacated that forceful occupation of Kashmir from Pakistan and whatever remained, after heroic sacrifices from Indian Jawans and Officer, whatever they could salvage from a very bad situation, You want to give to Pakistan??. What Pakistan could not get in battelfield, you people want to give it at discussion table???. What is wrong with India? Every Nation is nibbling at its land and Indians are losing this battel of attrition.
The name of DALIP, Radha Kumar and M.M. Ansari are highly suspicious. No nationalist leader has been included. what I am suspecting is the involvement of these : Non State Actors: to do the dirty job of selling India, which GOI has no stomach to do. You people are deliberately encouraging people like Arundhati and likes to say openly things in the heart of India, statements, which will bring the wrath of even most secular and democratic country in world. How much weakness you can show. you are underestimating resolve of common indians and think that only those figures of 9-10% growth is sufficient to put nation in hibernation? You people are making country a laughing stock in the world community. You people must be made to pay for your follies.

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@Vijay

“This will strengthen the secularism of India. If we can have separate states of Ladakh and Jammu, and Kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, things will be easily managable.”

What nonsense are talking about! I live in Jammu and our family has lived in this State for generations and Vijay we Muslims are majority in the State. You vijay don’t dicide our future but we dicide our future, understand that.

I don’t think any of you guys in this forum know what is going on in Jammu & Kashmir. Death and destruction by your terrorist army everyday. Every city, town & village is pelting stones on the terrorist army. I will post a video where you will see me and my brothers and sisters holding Pakistani flags.

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I think Manish Tiwari should be barred from all debates as he continuosly dfies anchor, goes into monologue (propaganda) with smirk (clearly indicating that he is creating mischief rather than serious arguement). He is ill-mannered and definitely gives a very negative image of congress as a party. When he talks, I remember Amitabh’s dialogue from DON (replace Chaku with Jubaan)..
BJP to manish Tiwari – ‘Ye jaban andar rakh lo, kal subah tumahare boss ke toast par makkhan lagane ke kaam ayega’.

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Rajeev

Come to Kashmir we will show what we are shoving and what I will shove…..Your sorry A– can’t even fly your flag in our State.

It is our State and no minority can dictate to us what course we should take, understand that Rajeev.

Majority is Authority

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@Paritosh

Presently we are ramming big poles up your forces everyday…you can bark all you want behind the computer.

None of you will ever be able to come to Kashmir

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@Mumtaz Mir,

Please brother dont lose your cool. But go over the facts.

a) Ladakh and Jammu have nothing to do with killing innocents, Islamic terror and wanting to be the pet dogs of Pakistan. Why should they sufffer?

b) After the valley is separated, let Jammu and Ladakh reach their natural potential. The valley people can be given more autonomy under the Indian constitution. I am sure that once they see Jammu and Ladkah racing ahead in life like the rest of the Indian states, they too will love the idea of India.

c) A sizeable portion of the Hindus have been driven away form the valley. While the Sikhsn have been asked to convert. Dont they have a voicve also?

d) Most Kashmiri Muslims are Shias. And Shias are being cut up in Pakistan. SO please think twice before you dream of Pakistan

e) Pakistan has already integrated Muzzafarabad and Gilgit as separate states and changed the demographic composition in favour of Pakistan. For Kashmiris who have been there, POK is a backward area. So why don’t you see the facts?

I wish you well. I hope you coolly understand the jist of my arguments….

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@Mumtaz Mir,

Please brother dont lose your cool. But go over the facts.

a) Ladakh and Jammu have nothing to do with killing innocents, Islamic terror and wanting to be the pet dogs of Pakistan. Why should they sufffer?

b) After the valley is separated, let Jammu and Ladakh reach their natural potential. The valley people can be given more autonomy under the Indian constitution. I am sure that once they see Jammu and Ladkah racing ahead in life like the rest of the Indian states, they too will love the idea of India.

c) A sizeable portion of the Hindus have been driven away form the valley. While the Sikhsn have been asked to convert. Dont they have a voice also?

d) Most Kashmiri Muslims are Shias. And Shias are being cut up in Pakistan. SO please think twice before you dream of Pakistan

e) Pakistan has already integrated Muzzafarabad and Gilgit as separate states and changed the demographic composition in favour of Pakistan. For Kashmiris who have been there, POK is a backward area. So why don’t you see the facts?

I wish you well. I hope you coolly understand the jist of my arguments….

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Mumtaz Mir, if you look into the mirror you will see a certain Azhar Hussain holding the Pakistan flag but secretly wearing an underwear with the American flag and laughing… As a Shia his relatives are being cut up like goats, chicken and fish in Pakistan but he adopts different names wanting to be Indian…

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@Vijay you will never be able to understand where we stand right now. It is totally a local uprising and we will inshallah prevail. We have lost too many of our brothers and sister to stay with you guys.

As far as Azad Kashmir goes, I have family members living there and they are older members and safe there. They are happy there among their own, and we young guys going to stay here till our state is free from your subjugation.

It is sad you don’t get to see the truth to what is happening to my state, you understand State terrorism thats what is happening. You guys pretend to be democratic state but only for those who toe the line. The rest are just labeled Pakistani and anti-state. You are too afraid to face the truth.

“I spoke about justice for the people of Kashmir who live under one of the most brutal military occupations in the world; for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland; for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose graves I visited on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore; for the Indian poor who pay the price of this occupation in material ways and who are now learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a police state,” said Roy.

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Vijay,
I think India should open J&K border for only outgoing pro-pakistani muslims like Mumtaz. During winters horders of such muslims should be pushed across LoC without food and water. I am pretty sure pakistani rangers/army will fire on these scumbags thus sending them to mohammad’s imagined heaven. It is time to tranport pakistani muslims to pakistan starting with Mumtaz and her family.

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Mumtaz,
There is a saying about YOUR pakistan-
Pakistan ka matlab kya..
l*und pe chade humko kya…

Ask Balochis..they chant this to get rid of pakistani occupation

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@ Mumtaz Mir and his real identity.

Arundahti Roy wrote an autobiographical book which celebrated the heroine having incestuous sexual relations with her brother.

We will be happy to send her to Kashmir and Pakistan. Hope you will appreciate the values she will spread there

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@ Rajeev,

In Arundhati’s novel it a real twin brother and sister “doing” it. Unfortunately nobody in India ever read the book. The very fact that it won the booker was a reason to celeberate…

However the moral of the story is that she was always a publicity seeker and is still is. Then she wanted publicity by hammering Shekhar Kapoor for making Bandit Queen. ( She took up cudgels for Phoolan Devi,. shouting rape rape.. rape of innocent womenhood by Channel 4 and Shekhar Kapoor…)

And now she is trying to get centre stage by speaking up against the Indian state…

If she had the moral courage and care for women, has she ever spoken about the Taliban who routinely blow up girls schools and torture women. Or the Islamic Fundamantalists who kill and torture innocents as well as subjugate women.

NO she never will.

The scare of the Fatwa or the AK 47 bullet is too much…

So she will speak against Indian democracy as it allows her freedom of speech…

Ha ha ha ha ha what a joke of a woman

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I have some seriuos questions about the entire exercise of ‘interlocutors’ on the dispute in the valley. I leave out Jammu and Leh-Ladhakh , as the people there would ove to merge with India.

Interlocutors are useful in a situation where the parties to the dispute have communication problems or logistiocs problem but are both practical and sincere for an imicable solution.

Interlocutors can be useful if there was some dipute with Kashmir political parties like National Conference or PDP , which do not demand secession from India.

However, its a wastage of time, resources and counter productive to engage parties like the communal criminal Syed Ali Geelani or the paid puppets of Pak ISI or United Jihad council ( the umbrella organization of thus Pak state paid criminals ) in teh valley .
The guy bye the assumed name Mir , is an axample of that.

So why engage them when no ratiuonal middle ground is possible ?
Can you find a rational middle ground with people whose idea of freedom is implementing the Sharia ?

You have to fight evel and interlocutors cannot be of any help in such a situation.

So the government of India has to protect the innocent in the valley, promote democratic representation and full freedoms but show no mercy to the Pak ISI and United Jihad Council paid criminals in the valley. They have to be vanquished.

There is not any other way I am aware of.

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Kashmir MOlehills, Vinodji’s topic can now be called Arundhati’s molehills!!

She has hijacjed thte topic for the publicty she needed…

What a joke on the COngress which is looking weaker than ever before…

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Mumtaz keep telling them the truth, who could be more closer to the real situation than you. who has suffered more in the sham democracy than the Kashmiris. We in Pakistan are with you all the way. Keep the terrorist army busy

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGh4LdORNck

Enjoy yourself Rajeev and Vijay

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNF1xNml9ZE&feature=related

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Azhar is two in one…

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First it was Azhar is Arun
Now Azhar is Mumtaz Mir

Kushagra you sound like Rajiv; Rajiv sounds like Rajeev and Paritosh sounds like an A–

I am also ISI….talk about paranoid bunch of morons.

And Mumtaz Mir Sahib, continue the good work. Your struggle will bear fruit and all those who gave their utimate sacrifice will not go to waste.

And Arun where are you? We need you here to speak out the truth about India regardless how much bitter it tastes to your fellow countrymen.

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looks like loss of 1/2 the country in 1971 and meek surrender of 90,000 plus has disturbed the mind of some poor jihadis.

Well, there is still some time to save the other 1/2 of Jinnah’s moth eaten Pakistan.
So spend your time trying to save what you have.

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Watch the videos, you can’t believe so many people out in the streets of my beautiful State. Every where you go, one see’s this, whether you like it or not we will and are stoning your terrorist army in my homeland.

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Indian Flag is flying high in Sri Nagar.
It was flying 50 years ago.
Its flying today. Will fly for ever.
The Pakis jihadis can take there Pakis flag to Sharia Pakistan.
In fact India should demand that Pakistan fully implement Sharia in Pakistan.
I extend my unconditional support for implementation of Sharia in Pakistan.
Jinnah and Talebanis are right.

The jihadis are like dirty dogs that bark at the Indian elephant. Let them bark. Who cares ??

Regarding the other guy with the crooked green mirror, if posting videous and u-tubes and barking at forums made a country great then Pakistan would be the greatest country on earth instead of the most criminal thug nation on earth which is regularly bombed by jihadis from inside and drones from outside.

Well when your ancestors are Saudis and Chinese then the child will be like a Pakistani. I dont blame Pakistanis.

Anyway, there were no medals for posting u-tube links on forums, either at Commonwealth games or any other.

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You cannot apply lipstick on a pig and make it look lilke a gazelle or a beauty queen !!

Azhar Hussain from Pakistan (now hiding in USA as Shias get cut up like goat fish and chicken in Pakistan) is trying diferent shades of lipstick by first becomeing Arun Khrishhnamurty and then by trying to become Mumtaz Mir. I can understand his psychology. He is ashamed to reveal his identity as Pakistanis get bashed up in the USA and often pretend to be Indians…

What a joke… What a loser from a cuntry of losers !!!

Ha ahahah HA A

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Dear Vindo Sharma ji

I enjoyed reading your latest blog, especially when you sounded quite impartial while referring to the BJP and having a positive opinion about the new BJP spokeswoman. She indeed is a new face of the party and is quite an erudite in expressing the viewpoint of her party and has proved quite capable of facing the heat comfortably in the male dominated panelists at any tv talk show.
Yes, no body has any problem with the appointment of the team of interlocutors. The leader of the team Mr. Padgaonkar is as much a distinguished journalist as you are. But it seems that bringing in Pakistsn’s role in the Jand K problem was rather premature especially when the brief would have been to assess the views and complaints of the common man and to interact with the people at grass root level. Even the Parliamentary delegation that had visited Jand K earlier had not mentioned the role of Pakistan in the dispute. Let the issue of any role of Pakistan in Jand K issue be left to be handled by the foreign ministry. It seems that Mr. Padgaonkar deliberately brought in Pakistan as a bait to the separatist leaders so that they can also be brought in the ambit of discussion. . Well, let the team do their job. But the situation indeed gets complicated when Arundhati Roy has also started speaking the language of separatists and going to the extent of saying that Indian colonialism has replaced imperialism in terms of Jand K and the Maoists movement. She would write fiction in her literary pursuits but politics in not a game of fiction. There is no denying that both these movements are not peaceful struggles and are in fact fighting the Indian army tooth and nail.. It looks the country has become a sort of toy in the hands of a section of elite society while thousands of soldiers have sacrificed their lives in Jand K so that the country stays as one unit.

There is another dimension to the Jand K issue. While the people are demanding “Azadi” in vague terms, Mr. Geelani is only interested in the accession of the state to Pakistan and has been openly advocating and fighting for this cause. That surely brings out contradictions in the movement of separatists

. All the more, I am not sure what could be the way out when the Indian Parliament has already passed a unanimous resolution regarding the status of Jand K from a national point of view. I only wish the people of valley will sooner or later understand the futility of their movement and try to look out for some respectable way out which would only benefit them and their future in the long run.
Regards
BNA

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Arundhati is using the Kashmir platform to get publicity during Obama’s visit. If you remember 50 Sikhs were brutally murdered by terrorists during Clinton’s visit and Arundhati’s mentor, Pankaj Mishra had then tried portray this as act of violence by the Indian security forces. This has time and again been proved to be a damn lie. In fact even Headley confesses that it was done by the Let. But… In a nation full of styagrahis, we have given too much moral halo to a few jhootagrahis

For these publicity seekers like Arundhati, nothing is enough. I think we should stop getting used by her in her quest for worldwide attention.

However the Indian state should take here head on and somehow tempt her to go to the Swat valley to convey her ideas, among similar minded people . That would take care of her for ever

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Mumtaz Mir

if you think that you guys are so f*cking powerful , why is it so that your arse is getting banged by our forces since ‘90.

you can come before me in person and i can do the same to you. get a taste of a real Indian and you will wish for Jahannum ( hell ) , rather than Azadi.

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@ Vijay Kumar:
Dear Vijay ji,
Amongst many who visit Vinod Sharma’s blog, you were one of the most vocal and definitely the one with enough droll. I feel pained when I see your remarks in this thread (vis a vis Arundhati Roy and her novel)….honestly I mean it! I would not have cared if Rajiv, Paritosh or Azhar would have said what found way through your pen (or should we say the keyboard!). To put things into perspective, I am not contesting the remarks made by Ms. Arundhati Roy regarding Azadi in Kashmir. We all feel strongly for Indian sovereignty and hope that it doesn’t come at the cost of blood and sweat of people who we claim to be our own lineage….I know Kashmiris can argue on the flip side. Fair enough.
What isn’t fair is to pass categorical remarks about people who one way or the other have hurt your sentiments. First things first, God of Small Things is one of the best pieces of literature I have come across in contemporary world. The book does not depict incest as you so carelessly and repeatedly write on this blog. My friend, I have read the book thrice (in different stages of my life) and I have never come across any line or word which indicates incest. Even the so called love scene (to which you refer) is not between the twins (Rahel & Estha). It is the most beautiful description of sexual encounter between two main characters of the novel, Amu and the low caste Velutha (And yes the said scene description was found “not obscene” even by the Kerala High Court in the late 1990s). If anything, it is a book against caste system, against class system, against political bankruptcy. In fact one of the best summarizations of this book was done by a Yugoslavian man caught amidst the civil war in Serbia. He said, whenever we were losing hope, I read the book…….and that is the essence of this book as far as I could perceive. Its a book of hope. The book was so beautifully written that only after a few days of it being sent to Harper and Collins by Pankaj Mishra, the Publisher flew into Kerala to sign Ms Roy for the copyrights….imagine a Gora doing this to an Indian author! (I realised the enormity of this deed after I had lived in London and seen how biased and vain most English are towards their literature & heritage)
I also see that a large number of bloggers have tried to tear Arundhati Roy apart based on charges of being morally corrupt….well what can I say. We all know that when deeds and words fall short in criticizing a woman, the easiest way is to label her a “loose character”. Unfortunately, as a civilization we are used to this practice from times immemorial.
Finally you are wrong in mentioning that she hasn’t written any novel after God of Small Things. Well, she hasn’t written any fiction but some of the best nonfiction in India has been written by her. Listening to Grasshoppers, The Ordinary Person’s Guide to the Empire, The Shape of the Beast, The Algebra of Infinite Justice (Sahitya Academy Award Winner), Power Politics, War with No Ends, The Cost of Living……and the list goes on.
You can argue that we do not buy her Azadi call but she certainly is one of the tallest authors India can pride itself in. No wonder that Noam Chomsky (who supposedly is the most referred/quoted living author on the planet) refers to her work on a regular basis. Thinking laterally and going against government stream of thinking is surely not sedition and we should give due credit to those who voice their dissent.
I hope this clears some confusion which was generated in the heat of the moment and I also wish that we stick to norms of decency when it comes to arguing on sensitive issues…..after all I thought Vinod ji has treasured you with the responsibility of maintaining decorum on this house.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi
Blog: http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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“Kashmir is internationalized when Islamabad takes it up in the United Nations”.

What was wrong when India took it up to UN?
Either Pakistan takes it up or India takes it up. It’s the same. Since India realized its stupidity to internationalize it so lets play stupid game of hide and seek and make it a bilateral issue. Or shall i say make it an internal issue? These ‘makes’ or bits do not hide reality. Had that been an internal problem would that have made to international arena or Shimla Agreement? Never!! When was the last time you have someone changing stances of making internal as international or vice versa.

India has no intention to talk to anyone regarding this. So why to glamourize? just enjoy whats going on.

– A freedom to carry a gun and ask for independent freedom – is the guy moron or author painting it with a different brush. Maqbool should see that there is no insurgency running in Pak Kashmir. If he wants his share, should go back to call amnesty and raise voice in Indian Kashmir. There he would keep calling and would die with no response. End of show.

What Omer says or Arundhati says its ****. I need to take time off to laugh.

Another joke coming your way:
http://public.dawn.com/2010/10/24/pakistans-nukes-safe-says-indian-army-chief.html

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I think all this Hulla-Gulla in valley and support to it by so-called INDIAN intellectual is pre-planned antic to somehow grab Obama’s attention and make him utter something about Kashmir contrary to Indian position.
You must have seen that pakistan has also howling asking US to intervene in Kashmir and almost ayt the same time Hurriyat is asking for same. After watching Obama forcing Israelis to negotiate with peaceful palestinians, muslims of the valley and their masters across the border have been emboldened to drag US and Obama into Kashmir. I have spoken to muslims and found that majority of them support Obama and feel that he is more sympathetic to their PLIGHT. They see Obama stint in white house as great opportunity to get all the disputes settled as per the wishes of muslims.
The Indian govt and the people should be patient, let Kashmiris protest as much as they want, come down heavily on ISI-puppets Hurriyat and wait for Obama term to get over.

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The sincerity of Arundhati/Navalakha is quite evident from the fact that they have not challenged pakistan rule over PoK and Chinese rule over Aksai Chin. They know that India is the only country whom they can bully with these antics. Why has Arundhati/Navalakha not said that “Kashmir needs freedom from Pakistan/China”..

Why has media not grilled Arundhati on PoK and CoK? Media should ask if Arundhati wishes to visit PoK/CoK and make similar kind of utterances.

I feel sad for India as it is becoming banana republic where everyone is free to question integrity of the nation at will and get away with it. When I look at UPA handling of India, I feel we may end up as fractured USSR under the leadership of Sonia Gandhi/Rahul Gandhi (MMSingh is a puppet and has no role in it).
India is “Salma phans gayi Gundo mein” situtaion right now.

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Let’s be very clear that Arundhati’s is a cry for personal publicity. Some time back she made fun of 26/11 killings saying that they were not important.

She has not time for the killings by terrorists or the terror of the Taliban as condemning all that can result in a fatwa…

Her mentor Pankaj Mishra had rushed to Kashmir after the LeT had butchered 50 innocent Sikhs, during Clinton’s visit. Even David Headley confesses that the LeT carried it out. But Pankaj Mishra, like A R Antulay, needed publicity. He insulted India, the Indian policeman but sold some books in the West.

And that is Arundhati’s game today.

Obama is around the corner. The centre is focusing on Kashmir. Why not hijack the issue for personal publicity? A lonely plaintive frail woman crying against a powerful state will make headlines all over the world.

But let us not cry in front of this manipulative aunty, who needs publicity as a fuel for survival 

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Dear Vinod Ji,

I saw your debate last night on Timesnow and I am afraid I din’t like it when you complained to Arnab saying that he is giving far more time to Sheshadri, Jethmalani and Swapan and not naming Manish Tiwary who was the one who took the most time (by shouting unnecessarily). I hope you need to a bit more impartial than that.

Thanks

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Lets not talk about A Roy .

She is not elected, perhaps will fail to win a single assembly segment in India and is just a self seeking publicty seeker who also lies profusely.

She is fit to be in Sharia-Pakistan

Back to serious subject.

Are interlocutors of any use when the other party is ISI or United Jihad Council ( the umbrella organizations of Jihadis wroring from the thug state ) ?

Unless that question is answered all this talk of interlocutors is a wastage of time and effort and India should just concentrate on ‘dealing’ the Jihadis.

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Rajiv,

There are two reasons why the interlocutors are there.

a) Congress and the MMS feel that once all the separatists vent out their anger through dialogue, some positive suggestions could come out. Maybe talks would wear them out.

Unfortunately this is a wrong policy. The other side is living in a dream world that Azaadi will solve all their problems. Let them first be reduced to 2500 sq km after trifurcation. Azaadi and all such talk would become meaningless

b) Uncle Obama is around. So why not have a cosmetic or real exercise that we are even willing to talk to Pakistani sponsred terrorists.

If these talks result in freeing of Pakistani killers, then this would really be sad. Hope it does not demoralise the army

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@Vijay,
Its not just Jammu, Leh and Ladhakh demanding breakup of J&K.

Gujjars and Bakerwals ( Kashmiris involved in raising sheep in the mountains ) are demaning seperate region for themselves – seperate from the Jihadis. They claim they make up 20% of the population.

Then there is demand of Panun Kashmir for Hindu Kashmiris.

so I think 5-point division of Indian J&K should be considered.

If that be so, the only place left for jihadis will be in Muzaffarabad or Islamabad.

Here is news report from Hindu about Gujjar/Bakerwal leadershipo meeting the centre appointed interlocutor.
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Gujjars and Bakerwals demand seperate region in J&K
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article847259.ece

Demanding a separate Pir Panchal region or area and a Tribal Hill Council in Jammu and Kashmir, the Gujjars and Bakerwals, both Scheduled Tribe communities in the State, on Sunday urged for strong recommendations from the three-member team of interlocutors on Jammu and Kashmir — in their report to be submitted to Prime Minister of India — for an irreversible provision along with constitutional guarantees to reserved categories while deciding the Kashmir issue.

In a meeting with eminent journalist Dileep Padgaonkar, head of the interlocutor team, and others, members of the Gujjar and Bakerwal communities pressed for the grant of social, cultural, economic and political empowerment to their members, who reside in far-flung and difficult areas of the State.

The delegation, led by Javaid Rahi, secretary of the Tribal Research and Cultural Foundation, met the team of interlocutors at the Government Guest House here.

The delegation said that the Gujjar and Bakerwal communities being suppressed deserved special attention from the State and the Union Government. Mr. Rahi claimed that though Gujjars constituted 20 per cent of the State’s population, their presence in State affairs was negligible.

The delegation told the team that since the community possessed a different identity, ideology and culture, the Gujjars were demanding a separate area/region and a tribal council within Jammu and Kashmir so that their tribal uniqueness could be protected and preserved. They also spoke about other problems that they faced in the State.

A six-page memorandum was submitted to the team of interlocutors seeking its help — through special recommendations — in the implementation and strengthening of the community’s Schedule Tribe status in Jammu and Kashmir by giving them the much awaited ‘political reservation.’

Other demands were for recommendation to relevant quarters and for the provision of shelters and land to nomadic Gujjars, who have been landless and houseless and living below the poverty line in Jammu and Kashmir since 1947.

The delegation also called for the inclusion of the Gojri language in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution.

Special census

The community demanded that the Centre conduct a special census of lakhs of nomadic and shelter-less Gujjars and Bakerwals of Jammu and Kashmir, who are currently under seasonal migration to the upper reaches of the Northwestern Himalayas.

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Arundhati Roy is a woman of contradictions.

a) On one hand she is all for freedom of expression and on the other hand she did all in her limited powers to hijack making of Shekhar Kapur’s Bandit Queen. Selective rules for freedom of expression huh?

b) She shares the same podium with Geelanis and rest of the Kashmiri T-e-r-r-o-r-i-s-t-s, lend them her support and say she is seeking justice for Kashmiri Pandits who were driven out of the Kashmir. How empathatic! Not only laughable but eternly sad that it didn’t strike her or perhaps she chose to ignore the fact its the very same people who she is supporting that have raped, murdered thousands of Kashmiri Pandits and forced them to flee Kashmir. Or perhaps she meant that it was Indian Army who raped and murdered Kashmiri Pandits and drove them out.

c) In that seminar each and every group had one agenda – break and rip India apart. There were Kashmiries Maoist, Khalistanistanies and several other separatist groups. So her lending support to all means its alright if India is shredded to pieces but any move to dismantle such developments is oppression!

d) Having not being an architect doesn’t mean she could not be a good author. However, to show an education qualification which you obviously have not is gross misrepresentation, which is not surprising as thats what one comes across from all her antics.

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Now the interlocutors are talking about doing something in Kashmir “outside the constitution’!! Thousands of soldiers died to preserve the integrity of our country, India did not let Jammu and Kashmir slip away when it was at its weakest and under tremendous assault from Pakistan (in early 1990s) Will a bunch of liberal losers walk all over the dead bodies of the patriots who made ultimate sacrifice for the country and surrender to the fanatics ?

God, please save our country from these modern day Mir Jafars!

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From the way you people are discussing Kashmir, it shows most of you have no idea where this freedom struggle has reached. I have not slept all night, guarding our area against the terrorist army. I have to sleep for couple of hours and then take care of some important business.

jevay Jevay Pakistan
Kashmir baney Ga Pakistan ka Inshallah

Another day hopefully I will find some good targets

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@Dr Shah Alam Khan,

I read your reply to my posting on Arundhati Roy with interest. And Doctor Sahab, I think we will have to agree to disagree with each other !

Let me go through it point wise

a) If it is not an incest book, why did she let her publishers market it that way. Why did she not say that the relations between the twins were “pure’ brother and sister. Some of the reviews in that time did keep talking about this incestuous relation. Being a strong vocal person she could have surely shouted her publishers and reviewers out.

b) The story about architecture. I agree that a person can do better in a creative field even if he or she drops out of a professional course. My exasperation is at the means employed. The falsehood of saying that she was an architect when she was not. It was not just the publishers who said this. And again why did she not stand up and disclose the truth.

c) I think you should dig out the controversy with Shekhar Kapur to understand that her fight for Phoolan Devi was based on her own script being rejected. Pure jealousy nothing more

d) About moral corruption. I never insinuated that. She can live her life the way she wants as long as she does not try to destroy the fabric of the country.

e) If she really was so much for human rights, why did she make fun of the dead in 26/11. You can read her article in the Guardian on that. Her stance was similar to that of Antualy—weakening the nation in the time of crises.

However being a lover of psychology let me state my psychoanalysis of her actions. She comes from a dysfunctional family, her father having ditched the family when she was small. In her book she launches quite a diatribe against her missing father and periodically makes fun of him

Now convert the situation to a national stage. In her mind India is her father. And she will go all out to downgrade and destroy this father.

Is her voice really for the poor and the marginalized sections. Not in my opinion. She never speaks about the torture inflicted by the Taliban; the one sided killings of minorities in J&K; the fatwas on women etc etc. Maybe speaking about all that can result in a Salman Rushdie or Taslima Nasrin sort of situation.

Anway unfortunately my reply is already too long! So I Sign off ! 

PS: I visited your blogsite yesterday and enjoyed some of the articles.

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One MMS appointed interlocutor said that We should talk to Pakistan to settle the Kashmir issue. Now the other MMS appointed interlocutor ( the lady) has said that we should amend the Indian Constitution to make provision for “Azadi”. We are now waiting for the third MMS appointed interlocutor to make his policy statement. Probably he will suggest let us grant them the “Azadi.”
How do we read this situation. Are these people interlocutors are they setting policy. Or are they doing the groundwork for MMS/Sonia to move forward on these suggestions.

If it is ok for the Govt appointed interlocutors to suggest Amendment to the Constitution to make provision for ” Azadi’ , I am well within my Rights to ask for Amendment to the Constitution to ask for dropping ” Secular” from the Preamble and deletion of Articles 29 and 30 from Chapter III of the Constitution.

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Bye the way A Roy was sharing dias with a known comunalist Hindu killer and tyrant like Geelani, who publicly said on many occasions that Hindu Pandits for their safety sould support separatiss !!

Need I say more about the callousness of those who say that a liar like A Roy, the pedddler for mafia-smugglers and naxalists , has even a shread of credibility ?

These are the same guys who peddle and provide cover for the criminal militants for every masscre including the massacre of Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath and Sikhs of Chattisinghpora, by saying India did it !

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No ones voice is silenced in India, including that of criminals, irrespective of what garb they wear.

If it where USA, these criminals who align with murderers whom the state is fighting would be legally branded ‘enemy combatants’ and the law then would take its own course.

Basically, the intelligence agencies whould collect evidense about their suppor to criminal terrorists and they would be prosecuted for aiding and abetting terrorists and sentenced to prison.

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The LeT today held a massive rally in POK asking for azaadi in Indian Kashmir.

And the separatists lead by Arundhati Roy had done the same in India two days back.

Both of them seem to be long lost twins. Almost twins A Roy’s novel talked about….

A Roy may have made fun of India, Indian police, Indian army. And now she has found a true soulmate in Geelani. And Hafeez Saeed… Goals being the same…

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Interlocutor!
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The is what the interlocutor says

“Any solution to the Kashmir issue must be acceptable to all regions and all sections of people of Jammu and Kashmir, Dileep Padgaonkar, who heads the Centre-appointed panel of interlocutors, said today after its maiden visit to the state.

“Any kind of solution… Must be acceptable to all regions of J&K and to all sections of J&K people and it should have complete endorsement of public opinion as is expressed in Parliament of India and only then can we carry things forward,” he told reporters here before leaving for Delhi along with another interlocutor Radha Kumar.”

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No such solution exists.

Forget Radha, even Lord Krishna may have the only solution for Jihadis in the narrow valley, as he had for dealing with Kauravas at Kurukshetra.

Meanwhile, Obama should consider appointing Padgaonkar as interlocutor between USA, ISI and AL-Qida for a peaceful solution to the problem of Pakistan-terrorists. He would have better chances of success.

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Brahma’s lust for Parvati
MANU-DHARMA, A CODE OF INJUSTICE TO NON-BRAHMINS
Manu Dharma Sastra is the weapon of the “highest caste” Brahmins. It has two main motives. First of all this enables the Brahmins to call themselves most superior to other castes and lead a happy life without doing any manual work. It has made the sons of the soil (Dravidians) as slaves to them forever. The non-Brahmins are deprived of their self-respect and decency. The second motive is to render injustice to all Dravidians as stipulated in the Manu’ law. When such an order is set up permanently, the organisations such as the government, courts, constitutional acts etc. would naturally be dominated and monopolised by the Brahmin community. Such an arrangement would render all others as slaves for ever. This is the other motive of the Manu’s code.
It was clearly ordained that Manu’s code or law should be strictly followed for a period of three thousand years.
The sudra (Dravidians) kings and other rulers took pride in proclaiming that they ruled the people as laid down in the Manu law. Thus the Brahmins sought the necessary safeguards to maintain the evil of casteism attached to others by birth.
British rule: After the advent of the British rule, which succeeded the Tamil kings, the Brahmins permitted only the Criminal Acts to be changed on the lines of Western countries. For all civil matters, Hindu law based on Manu’s code alone was brought into force.
Can there be a law like Manu’s law that provides a very favourable position only to one particular community? How could it be tolerated with the authority of our own law of the land? How can we permit the courts and judges to base their judgement on Manu’s code?
Is there a country where the people of the land are termed as the sons of prostitutes? Is there a place where the toiling masses of the land are degraded by others of alien countries? Can you find a government, legislations or courts remaining a silent spectator to the injustice meted out to the majority of the population? Can you see anywhere people being so docile and negligent as here without trying to erase the disgrace? Nowhere else you can find selfish vested interests as you see in Tamil Nadu.
It is for the Tamil society to think loftily. Our freedom and rights lie in the eradication of disgrace attached to our births. So I humbly appeal to you all to think over these monstrocities. You will feel perturbed and agitated at the ill treatment given to us by the Manu’s code.
Leave the aged and elderly people. The future is in the hands of the younger generation. I have compiled this book with the hope that our youngsters atleast would come forward to think on right lines and act with wisdom.
The origin of Manu’s code: Brahma has been attributed as the author of Manusmriti. He made laws and gave them to Brigu, a first saint. Later the law was handed over to Maricha by Brigu. (Vol.1, sloka 58, Manu code).
Later on Manusmriti (orthodox varnasrama dharma) was let known to all the saints.
Brahma’s lust: (1) According to a fable of Hindu religion Brahma acted as a priest to officiate the marriage of god Paramasiva with Parvathi. When Parvathi went round the sacred fire (omakundam) she held the end of the apron cloth with her left hand before going round. It enabled Brahma to have a clear look at the Parvathi’s thighs. On seeing the thighs, Brahma became a victim of lust. Brahma’s semen poured out. Brahma left the semen in a vessel near the sacred fire. Immediately Agasthiar was born.
(2) When Parvathi came around the sacred fire again, Brahma once again relished her thighs and he once again became a victim to lust and semen poured out once again. This time he left the semen on the green plants, creepers and trees. This time a number of saints (rishis) were born in no time. Of them Valkilliyathe was one.

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Blood-boiling history of Hindu India : Anti-Pakistan war-mongering has no takers
As this is written Brahminism and Islam, the centuries- old enemies (see DSA ref. p.5 bottom), are again on the collision course. However, a bloody nuclear war looming over the sub-continent has gone to background as India found itself friendless in the world.
In this war frenzy, the Pakistani Muslims were united but India’s Hinduists looked weak and divided. Even the recent Islamic terrorist attack on Bombay has gone to background.
This is because the overwhelming productive labour (85%) of “Hindu India” is not only not Hindu but victim of Hinduism. Dr. Ambedkar had said all this. The Indian Govt. also knows it. That is why it is not ready to be swayed by the micro-minority war-mongers. The Manmohan Singh Govt. is hesitating though the war-mongering Brahminists are craving for “hate, revenge, blood and bomb”.
Hindu logic: Not only the victims of Hinduism are producers of wealth but they are also advocates of peace. All producers need peace. It is only the consumers that crave for war. The Bahujans are so pre-occupied with their day-to-day drudgery, busy earning their daily bread that they are totally oblivious of the Hindu heroes’ cry for war, blood and bomb.
This has been the unfortunate topsy-turvey situation in India where the producers have no voice at all. Their job is to only stand and wait. And then to do and die. This is the Hindu logic, said Dr. Ambedkar.
What is happening today is not new to students of history. Gujarati Bania M.K. Gandhi, blackmailing Babasaheb on “separate electorate” for Dalits by resorting to his fake fast-unto-death, had given a clear warning that the Untouchables could remain in India only as slaves of the ruling Hindus and at their mercy. This is continuing even to this day.
When the British were leaving India, the very same Brahminical rulers managed to partition the country at the cost of enormous bloodbath. And the creation of Islamic Pakistan gave a wonderful opportunity for the rulers to dub the majority Muslims who decided to remain in India as traitors and Pakistani agents.
Thirst for blood: How about 15 to 20% of the Indian Muslim population is reduced to grinding poverty, pushed to urban slums, daily facing war and violence was graphically depicted in the Sachar Committee report by an upper caste (Hindu). (DV Jan.16, 2007 p.9).
In 1971, the very same Brahminical rulers managed to get Pakistan divided by creating Bangladesh with the help of Mujibur Rahman.
The thirst of this micro-minority Brahminical Social Order for blood is limitless. The killing of over 3,000 Sikhs in cold blood in “Blue Star” (1984), the anti-Mandal war and violence (1991), the demolition of Babri Masjid (1992), the “Gujarat Genocide” killing over 2,500 Muslims. It is an endless story of killing and blood-letting.
When will their thirst for blood end?
There is no war hysteria in the vast countryside and even in the urban working class areas. In other words, the Bahujan Samaj — comprising the SC/ST/BCs and the Muslim/Christian/Sikhs (85%) — are busy doing their daily work and do not contribute to the current beating of war drums and the call for “blood-for-blood” revenge.
Tragedy of India: This hysteria exhibited through their “national” toilet papers and their television is confined to the micro-minority manuwadi upper castes who are not even 15% of our population. There are ever so many saner elements among the upper castes who do not share the call for hate, revenge, blood, bomb.
But the problem of Hindu India is though the govt. is elected by the Bahujans, the minority Brahminical forces control it. As they have the monopoly media, live in big cities and control the country’s entire property and posts, their voice is alone heard.
And the tragedy of India is this unrepresentative, anti-social minority fascist voice is called the “public opinion”. We are over 85%, but none cares for our voice.
Since the last over 60 years every govt. that came right from the Kashmiri Brahmin Nehru up to the Khatri Sikh Manmohan Singh (who is not even an elected leader), came to rule by the votes of the Bahujans and after getting elected it started serving the ruling class. The elected leaders also join the ruling class and concentrate only on implementing its agenda. The only agenda is to keep them poor, illiterate, diseased, toiling masses in perpetual misery.
Once you are poor, you automatically remain uneducated and then inject in them all the Brahminical poison so that they permanently remain slaves of the Brahminical rulers.
This cycle of exploitation is continuing with the full blessings of the ruling Brahminical religion, their millions of holy men, their super rich temples, and their “sacred scriptures”.
Dr. Ambedkar died a sad man: Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar, the Father of India, had said all these hundreds of times and died a sad man because the ruling Brahminical order used the monster Mahatma to see that every warning given by Babasaheb is maligned, rejected and dug deep in the sands of history.
This is the tragic history of “independent India” which this very Mahatma handed over to the Hindu hounds and reduced us into permanent slavery. And converted India into a failed state.
If there is a war today it is the innocent, hard-working producers of wealth who will suffer and die. That is why our people are always peace-mongers. Only the Dalal Street Dagabhajis want war.
Religious hatred: The perpetrators of war frenzy are hiding the fact that they are motivated by religious hatred. The Brahminical toilet papers are experts in suppressing the truth. But even a child can make out that the Hindu hate-mongers are itching for war — which nobody in India wants except this ruling class. In the US, the Neocon hate-mongers (read zionist Jews) concocted the 9/11, managed to raise anti-Muslim hatred and forced President Bush to launch the “clash of civilisations”, meaning a war on Islam. But what ultimately happened was the war consumed its very perpetrator. The booting of Bush at a Baghdad press conference symbolised how much Bush is hated not only in the Muslim world but all over the world and even inside America.
The religious hatred generated by the tiny Brahminical rulers of India resulted in the partition of India and hundreds of anti-Muslim riots — big and small. Yet the Brahminical thirst for blood is not quenched. They want more war, more violence, more blood, despite having not a single friendly neighbour but believing in the goodwill of one single country, America, which itself is hesitating to support the Hindu hysteria.
Pakistan wins diplomatic battle: That means “Hindu India” has found itself lonely and isolated. A Brahminical daily DNA (Dec.27, 2008) even frankly admitted in its lead story saying “Pakistan wins”. Because China, Saudi Arabia and even America which India approached asked India to stop sabre-rattling. The Bengali Brahmin Foreign Minister was spitting too much fire and whipping up a war hysteria. India has not a single friend in the world except America but even that became unhelpful.
But on the other Pakistan, a small and weak country, won the first round. Going by the reports in the Brahminical media itself the entire Pakistani political, religious, military leadership, plus the media, stood as one man to fight “Hindu India”. But inside India the Bengali Brahmin Foreign Minister and the Khatri Sikh PM spoke in different voices. The Bahujans who never hate Muslims refused to support their centuries-old Brahminical enemy.
India as a failed state: An offshoot of the current crisis is Gen. Kiyani, the Pakistan army chief, has emerged as the strongman much to the disappointment of the Indian rulers who fondly hoped the corrupt President Zardari would be favourable to India. Zardari has now gone to background in the current churning. Even Nawaz Shariff who earlier differed on some issues has fallen in line. This is another blow on the Brahminical face.
In contrast the opinion in India’s ruling class itself is divided. Only the irresponsible Brahminical media is itching for war.
We have no hope in the Brahminical hate-mongers ever giving up their hate and their unending thirst for blood and more blood. Any student who has studied the tragic history of India will have to come to this conclusion.
Though India is called a democracy where the majority is supposed to rule, the Bahujan majority of toiling Indians have no voice because they are made slaves. India has already become a failed state, and as our “India Shining” regular column has revealed we as a country are being pushed backward and more backward.
The Brahminical ruling class not only lives in luxury but, as the latest Bombay terrorist attack has revealed, is ever eager to turn any incident to its advantage to further bludgeon the already bleeding Bahujans.
Why India has no revolution: Foreign observers are wondering why the toiling millions, unable to bear the pain of exploitation, are not revolting. Yes. This is a good question which we have answered many times.
Revolution will come only when the oppressed people become conscious of their exploitation and get angry. Here in India the people no doubt are in great pain. But they are not getting angry because they don’t know who is causing this pain. The Hindu rulers have so effectively mesmerised the suffering masses and convinced them that their suffering is because of their own destiny. This Hindu poison injected deep into their veins has convinced them that their suffering is their own making. They are made so unthinking that they can’t identify the enemy-oppressor even when he is standing right in front of him and siphoning off his blood — even as he falls dead in this painless (Hindu) operation. Dr. Ambedkar has said all these.
Letters of blood: Except Dalit Voice, we have not even a single media to bring this to the notice of the victims of this painless operation.
This is the tragic, blood-curdling history of Hindu India. This history has been repeating — endlessly centuries after century.
If any good-hearted, far-sighted, impartial, noble historian were to come in future, she or he can write the sordid, atrophied, violent, criminal past of India only in letters of blood.

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I guess thats the version of history of taught in Sharia-Pakistan – born out of Saudi-Chinese wedlock and laughed at by the world !!!

Thanks for the free laughs ( the guy with the crooked mirror ).

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Azhar Hussain has gone from bad to worse!!

From sheer mad to lunacy!!

Unable to understand the yext and tenor of the brigade, he has reappeared under a different “autar.”

more cut and paste to denigrate India and Hinduism!

Azhar bhai… you cannot apply lipstick on a pig !!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a96SgjUsfoM&feature=related

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I am afraid brother Azhar you have no idea what these people are, by God we have been dealing with these double crossing Hindus for the past 63 yrs. Initially majority of the people wanted their basic rights protected and thats all our forefathers wanted. But now meray Bhai we don’t anything to deal with fellows.

We Kashmiri’s feel for the rest of the Indian Muslims, who are pockets here and there, hence too scared to speak out. Thats why you might have noticed the way the Muslims respond on any of the forums, too timid, too scared. Always responding so as not to anger these Hindus, and I am sure you must have judged by the responses you get on this forum.

It is funny, that if anything happens in India it the ISI and anybody writes against India on this blog it is you Azhar.

Some joker said that Mumtaz Mir is Azhar and that was really funny.

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I thought it was ZAB who skewered the Simla agreement, he insisted that he would never be able to survive if he dropped the UN resolution outright, but would sincerely abide by the Simla agreement. What happened later is another story.
The way these Kahmir interlopers are behaving is most bizarre. After years of saying there is no role for Pakistan in Kashmir. they get up one fine morning to tell the nation Pakistan some how should be involved in the solution of Kashmir violence. They look very hurt and pained when people question their judgement.. But given their past behaviour every one should be concerned.
Make no mistake, the U.S. is expecting India to pay for its own exit out of Afghanistan. But, what does India gain from enabling a safe U.S. exit ? On the contrary, Obama when in Beijing has actively encouraged China to play Big Brother on Indo-Pakistan matters . This is the reason why China has taken an aggressive stance towards India..The new look east policy is late but very welcome. My hunch is that the Vietnamese will be even more staunchly allied with us than the Japanese in the long run.
India is a big power, and should stand up like one. We do not take orders like the Pakistanis. We should give a good time to the Obamas, lots of photo ops and page 3 gossip much like MMS’s visit to Washington. – all fluff, no substance. Anyway after the U.S. election in November are over the White House would sound like the house that Donald Duck lives in.

And please don’t arrerest Arundhati Roy. It’s wrong to arrest any author. After all what if she actually takes a liking to jail/ She’ll then want to break Nelson Mandela’s record. Every time her time of release would come up she would commit another petty crime, confess voluntarily, and demand the maximum sentence Right now she is slyly looking at Obama and “gyrating her hips furiously.” Let her do that happily.
If the interlocutors and other players from the Indian side are honest and patriotic but, have differences with other Indians over the course to take,then it’s fine, but at the same time we must also take a sharp look to see if any modern day Jaichand has arrived on the scene. l

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@ Vinod Sharma,

What is your take on the interlocutors exceeding their brief?

Dileep has shot of in the North direction; Radha is going West… Somehow I think this will lead to

a) heightened expectations in the separatists that these guys will be able to cut up India, when nothing is going to happen

b) A lot of trouble for the Congress in the next national poll, in case these guys keep slipping and tumbling on their tongues

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@ Dr Shah Alam Khan,

Well let us continue our debate a little more! (my lunch time posting!)

Since you do write for papers which are on the extreme left, sir, have you really tried to figure out what the extreme left actually represents? Total clampdown on human thought, mass brainwashing and idol worshipping of those in power– much like blind religion, which they claim is the “opium of the masses.”

I have serious reservations of the extreme left. And they have been formed after interacting with people who have lived in countries governed by the extreme left.

My observations in China

a) People do not like Mao. The masses suffered all along with a total clampdown on human thoughts, the destruction of religion and the right to own property. You may say religion and property are bourgeois concepts, better destroyed. Well… you can only say so in an enlightened democracy, not in a Maoist state where you will have to think what the big brother wants you to think.

And if I want to have religion, which does not hurt the beliefs of others, why take away my right?

b) Mao is portrayed as a romantic figure leading a mass of poor, down trodden and peasants all over the land. Wearing a golf cap tilted at an angle. Today’s China shivers at the thought of those years, yet somehow tries to portray Mao as a lovable grandfather who was good in parts.

In reality he was a fattish overweight figure who had four wives over a lifetime while the masses in his life lived in communes, with man and wife meeting only on fixed days in a week.

India’s romantic leftists are trying to project the revolutionary image to the masses, not the truth that this revolution left all heritage and history destroyed. And Millions bruitally killed and starved to death.

c) The powerful China of today which is an aphrodisiac that drives the extreme left in India and the neghbourhood countries is just a vision of the Sanjay Gandhi and the Singapore model of growth which all communists and leftists deride.

After Mao died and all blame for his misdeeds laid on the doorsteps of his fourth wife, Deng looked around the world, in 1979. From Sanjay Gandhi he borrowed the forced family planning concept. From Singapore he got the ideas on total foreign investment, strict labour laws, no democracy.

And china thrived materially.

Now my big question. WHY IS THE EXTREME LEFT DREAMING TO PUSH INDIA into the TORTURE and DESTRUCTION of MAOIST SAGA, salvation from which will then only come after pursuing VERY MATERIAL GOALS ?????

Sir, I am hammering four quesion marks to get an answer from you !!

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@Azhr/Mir Zafar/Arun Krishnamurthy

I order you to post some more you-tube ilnks here to show

1. How India is bad and drone-hit, ISI-Pakistan is great.
2. How devious Brahmanical forces in India, defeated poor Pakistan and cut it in 1/2
3. How cunning Hindus reduced Jinnah to a moth-eaten Pakistan

I promise you at next olympics I am arranging for a you-tube link and cut-and-paste contest for Saudi-Jihadi-Chinese inbred idiots. You may win some medal.

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@Ram Avtar

The secret circulars of RSS is found to be originating from IOS world ( http://www.iosworld.org/RSS’s%20Anti-Dalit%20′Secret%20Circular.htm )

IOS which stands for Institute of Objective Studies was established in the year 1986 with a view to promote empirical and conceptual research (!?). Research is carried out on ideologies and problems relevant to Indian polity, society, economy, religion and culture. Attention has been focused on the problems of Muslims and other minority groups. This prestigious research centre is located at Jamia Nagar, New Delhi ( http://www.aboutus.org/IOsWorld.org ). Interested people are requested to visit the research centre.

Subko Sanmati De Bhagvan.

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Rajiv calm down boy, you ain’t seen nothing yet, becaiuse the moderator removed most the youtube links reference to the independence movement and people of Kashmir chanting Jivay Jivay Pakistan. So much for your free speech views.

Did you watch those videos, Rajiv which has so un-nerved you with the same old stale posts.

Mustafa what ISI is for India, Azhar is for this blog.

All I am doing is showing them the facts, the more I show the more abusive they get. That means more truth I speek and show, the more angry these guys get, which instead proves that I must be saying something right.

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Vijay stick with the burning topic at hand, did you see my brothers from Kashmir waving Pakistani flags singing Jivay Jivay Pakistan.

I understand your anger, hence No Comment from your end.

Yes Vijay we are already there, and there isn’t anything you people can do except not post videos and bark on this forum.

Mumtaz Mir keep up the good work and just be careful the terrorist army is lurking around the corner.

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meanwhile, anathor brother of Azhar, arrested in USA on Oct 27,2010 for terrorism.
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I am sure he holds views same as Azhar and has great you-tube and video-links that show the Golden age of Sharia-Pakistan and how India is becoming weaker and poorer every day.

Great facts only learnt and found in the madrassas of Pakistan under Taleban tutelage where great scholars like Azhar and Farooqi are produced every day.

“A Pakistan origin American national, Farooque Ahmed (34), was arrested on October 27 for plotting attacks on subway stations in and around Washington, reports Daily Times. Farooque Ahmed is believed to be tied to al Qaeda, US officials said. Farooque Ahmed, who lived in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, had been allegedly casing and photographing subway stations since April to plan simultaneous bomb attacks. “Farooque Ahmed is accused of plotting with individuals he believed were terrorists to bomb our transit system, but a coordinated law enforcement and intelligence effort was able to thwart his plans,” David Kris, Assistant Attorney General for National Security, said.
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This person Vinod Sharma is a congressman more and political editor of newspaper least. He seems to be cartoon of congress furnished in some talk shows!! God bless his desire for some posts in UPA after his retirement!!

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Vinodji, I’ve also never doubted the BJP’s patriotism but i doubting your allegince with congress. Come out clean and tell us (bloggers) that ur still independent and not connected with any political party. If yes they clearly say that ur joined congress party, then i will ask my church to officially felicitate u for working as a honest person for congress.

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@Vijay

A rat worshippers should be using the Rat so losely.

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BREAKING NEWS !!! AZHAR MAY LAND AT GITMO :D:D

There could be terrible news for our dear Azhar Hussain – he may end up at Gauntamano bay where residents of USA are despatched in case they plot anything against the country. And I have got this news from an Indian software developer who is working in Los Angles in a security software development company.

It seems the USA has installed security software in all internet servers which scrutinises messages, emails and postings of all residents. In this software certain keywords are picked up, as in a search engine, and then given points. If you clog a number of points you go under scrutiny. Unfortunately the highest number of points go to statements like “I love Pakistan “ since Pakistan is a worldwide creator of terror. Similarly expressing love for terrorists, Hamid Gul, ISI (which Azhar Hussain does always) give you very very high points. Codes have been developed to string words to derive meanings.

Unfortunately Azhar, you postings will get you the highest mark. Despite cursing the USA, you still happen to be there to enjoy its largesse. Now you may enjoy its notorious jail.

I am informing you about this out of serious concern as till now I, at least don’t think you are a terrorist, though you have expressed your love for Pakistani terror actions all the time.

I would not want to see you behind bars at Gauntamano, still shouting “India… India…India “ while American prison guards throw bread at you…

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I will not debate with your decisions because I think you’re right on the money! You have put together a consistent case for your sentiments and now I know more about this unusual topic. Gives Thanks for this amazing post and i will come back for more.

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@Nobody in particular….
Ran into this interesting article at Dr. Shabir Choudhry’s blog aptly titled – “Can Pakistan produce one Arundhati Roy to speak truth? ” (http://drshabirchoudhry.blogspot.com/2010/10/can-pakistan-produce-one-arundhati-roy.html) .
Would more than love to see some “enlightened comments” from Pakistani side about sentiments echoed in the blogpost .
Cheers,
Mahesh.

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@Mahesh,

There is also an interview with Ram Jethmalani in the TImes of India. Ram, was the head of an earlier NDA nominated Kashmir committee. He says that in one of the peace committee meetings a fight broke out in his presence between the moderates and GIlani.

The moderates accused GILANI OF TAKING TOO MUCH MONEY FROM PAKISTAN and said THAT THEY (the moderates) ARE GOING TO STOP TAKING THIS PAKISTANI MONEY for creating HAVOC in J&K, while Gilani was shamelessly taking more and more….

So anybody who says lets listen to Gilani… I’ll say should we give so much importance to an ISI agant and protect him all the time while the innocents are killed by terrorists?

What an evil irony!! Our so called liberals (most of them just publicity seekers) are willing to go on stage with an ISI agents and killer of innocents like Gilani. Yet have no tears for the security men who protect this nation from the narco terrorism unleashed by ISI and Pakistan…

We should expose these selfish evil idiots who are out to destroy the land which gives them freedom to speak

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@Vijay

“Further on Azhar, if you log in with a different name and try pro terror and pro ISI/ Hamid Gul/ Al Queeda/ LeT postings, they will still be traced to your name thru Internet protocol services. IBM and SUN have jointly given inputs into the software.”

Al Queed/Let are a terrorist group and ISI and Hamid Gul are not. Don’t try to equate them.

Ever wonder why Modi was not given USA Visa? Because he supports hindu terrorists.

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Saffron Terrorists for you guys and we are facing the terrorist army in Kashmir

New Delhi
4 of 5 accused for Ajmer blast have RSS links
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
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New Delhi, October 31, 2010
First Published: 23:57 IST(31/10/2010)
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Senior leader Indresh Kumar is not the only RSS link to the Ajmer blast in October 2007 that killed three persons. Of the five accused named in the chargesheet filed by the Rajasthan Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) on October 22, four are associated with the RSS. A sixth alleged key conspirator who has
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not been made an accused only because he is dead, Sunil Joshi, also had RSS connections.

Though his name is mentioned, Kumar is not an accused. He is only named in the context of a secret meeting in October 2005 that discussed the strategy for carrying out the blast.

The RSS had reacted with great indignation when Kumar’s name was revealed, claiming the ATS investigation was no longer honest but had become a tool for political persecution.

But according to the chargesheet, among the five accused of murder and conspiracy, four have RSS links — Devendra Gupta, Chandrasekhar Lave, Lokesh Sharma and Sandeep Dange.

The first three are in jail while Dange — along with the fifth man, Ramji Kalsangre – is absconding.

Joshi, the chargesheet says, was RSS zila pracharak at Mahu in Madhya Pradesh.

Gupta initially worked under Joshi as tehsil pracharak of the RSS before being promoted and shifted to Jamtara in Jharkhand as zila pracharak in 2003.

An Ajmer native, Gupta is accused of procuring the detonators and mobile SIMs used in the blast at the Chishti dargah.

Lave was an RSS zila sampark pramukh in MP’s Shajapur district. Sharma was also an active RSS worker, claims the chargesheet.

Dange — an engineering graduate who allegedly prepared the bomb — was an RSS zila pracharak at Shajapur. Kalsangra, a skilled electrician who helped Dange, is the only accused not yet known to have any RSS connection.

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Can I just say what a relief to find someone who actually knows what theyre talking about on the internet. You definitely know how to bring an issue to light and make it important. More people need to read this and understand this side of the story. I cant believe youre not more popular because you definitely have the gift.

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@Mukesh,

Dont take the trouble of answering the potings of Mumtaz Mir.

He is actually a madcap called Azhar Hussain who is a supporter of the ISI, Hamid Gul, suicide bombings and much that is wrong with Pakistan. Why bother answering a madcap who may become a potential suicide bomber one day…

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@Mahesh,
Continuing with discussion from our previous thread. China is buying agricultural land in Africa for grains and palm oil (for bio fuel). It is difficult to consider short term developemental projects in Afghanistan are the only priority of China. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10311752 indicates even Afghanistan has huge potential of mineral wealth. Stephanie Sanok from ISCS ( International Security Programme at the Center for Strategic and International Studies) say, he can’t think of extraction of minerals in Afghanistan in the middle of a major military campaign. He also says, “They not only don’t have the infrastructure – road, rail and water – but they don’t have basic laws and regulations that will attract investment.”

But all these are hurdles for whom? Countries like India, US which have to work in democratic terms. Not for China. The earlier article you referred to show, how most Asian countries feel concerned about China’s rapid growth as super power. It did not mention the exception…Pakistan. Even in the blogs here, some Pak people compare India with China and feel happy with the fact that China is stronger than India.

One thing is certain; all these factors (First, withdrawal of India from IPI gas pipeline project, Iran willing China to participate in the project. Second, Pakistan handing over control of the Gilgit-Baltistan region in the Occupied Kashmir to China. Third, China grabbing construction work projects in Afghanistan from India and slowly stretching in Afghan land), indicate one thing; China slowly trying to take control of the entire land which is strategically important for its access to the gulf. All these would not have happened if Pakistan was not pally with China. Pak as usual, has invited one more monster to its door after Taliban. Getting encircled by China, just for giving discomfort to India.

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@Vinay,

I appreciate your posting about Arundhati ROy. It does succintely sums up her actions…

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Very nice information.

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According to one particular idea, the good reason for the invasion of Iraq had next to nothing to do with the terrorism or WMDs. In actuality the key purpose was to keep the supremacy of the US dollar. The US dollar is the worldwide currency right now and each trade and trade of goods needs dollar. It’s the monopoly of the dollar that made The us a super electrical power.

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That is some inspirational stuff. Never knew that opinions could be this varied.

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Great…

love your blog, http://cloudes.manablog.jp/ ,Thanks again….

SINGHVI SHOW SOME HONESTY IN CONCLUSION.MMSINGH CANNOT BE HONEST IF EVERYONE BELOW HIM IS CORRUPT.
ONE EX I CAN GIVE WHICH WAS POINTEDOUT BY TN SHESHAN,THAT MMSINGH GAVE GOVERNOR HOUSE SHILLONG AS HIS ADDRESS WHILE FILING AFFIDAVIT FOR NOMINATION TO RAJYA SABHA.
WHY DONOT YOU ASK NIRA RADIA ,WHOM YOU KNOW WELL.

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Opinion: Agree that it is the presence of MMS and the objective to provide clean governance has brought out the corruption red handed. But the conclusion is untrue. MMS is fighting the ills that “the false Gandhi family” has brought to this country and not knowing whether to defend them or simply be correct and anti-corrupt.

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I have no faith in Vir Sanghvi or Vinod Sharma at all…

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“….and thinks that India can become a truly great nation only after it rids itself of the conflict with Pakistan.”
The problem with this article is that it failed to mention China’s role. India cannot have a bilateral agreement with Pakistan without Beijing’s approval. At this moment China is a greater threat to India’s security than Pakistan. Either by herself or with the aid of Pakistan, China has boxed in India and needs the friction between Pakistan and India to contain India. If the Indian leaders deal with Pakistan without factoring in China’s wishes, it will lead to failure.

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If Pakistan cannot be friend of USA, how can it be friend of India.

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Its business, stupid. If Indian agro & industrial products are allowed in Pakistan freely due to the MFN status that both India and Pakistan hae granted each other, it would improve trade. And that would mean more jobs for the jobless on either side. 26/11 will never be forgotten – as the US took more than 10 years to get OBL, I think we too can wait for some more time to hit our terrorists. And this time, the Pakistani people are themselves sick of terrorism – that is why Gilani & the Army wants to do business with India. In any case, we lose nothing. Only the Sangh Parivar would have to search for some other emotional issues to remain relevant in the Hindu psyche.

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@Zia, ISN’T INDIA SUPPOSED TO BE A SECULAR REPUBLIC, thus religion cannot dictate the state . MUSLIMS CAN COME FROM GUJRAT TO WEST BENGAL , there are plenty og beef on sale in park circus market and entally and anywhere where is a demand .Incidentally in park circus market and even in 90% hindu populated area like KASBA market PORK sells freely.The STATE owned shop used tosell sausages in jodhpur park market in south calcutta.
I WOULD SAY SALVATION OF INDIA LIES IN EATING BOTH PORK AND BEEF.

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The author has made at least one grievous factually incorrect statement in this article.

Whale meat does NOT make up one-quarter of the Japanese diet. In fact, only a tiny fraction of the Japanese population actually consumes whale — as little as 1%.

This lack of regular consumption also reveals the misleading supposition that there is great cultural significance to whaling in Japan. Jun Morikawa, in his book “Whaling in Japan: Power, Politics, and Diplomacy”, explains that whaling was only ever a tradition in certain isolated coastal villages, like Taiji.

At the start of the 20th century, Japanese modern whaling began with the adoption of Norwegian methods, technology, and even Norwegians hired as crew. Powered ships, canon-fired explosive-tipped harpoons, and later factory ships with refrigerated storage were all used for mass production. Japan’s whalers exported whale oil to Western countries for margarine production and fuel.

It wasn’t until WWII and the post war recovery that whale meat became a significant source of protein nationally. Whale was a substitute meat. As the economy recovered, when Japanese families could afford it, they purchased meat other than whale even when whale was cheaper. Today, if the government did not include whale meat in compulsory school lunches most Japanese children would never know the taste.

Japan’s whaling continues due to the corrupt influence of entrenched bureaucrats (amakudari) who often leave their government jobs to take high paid positions in the commercial whaling industry they once oversaw, and secured tax funded subsidies for, as public officials.

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Higher class Muslims never eat beef. It is only the weaker classes who prefer to eat beef as it is a cheaper alternative to mutton or chicken. Muslims don’t eat pork, as is well-known. Christians too are not supposed to eat pork as it is forbidden in their bible, but christians being mostly influenced by the West, they do any illegal and immoral act wit impunity.
In South India, a huge majority of Hindus eat beef, pork, mutton, chicken – in short any non-veg meat is game to them.

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Cow slaughter should be allowed by Hindus as much as painting the Prophet in all vivid colors Care to have some fun with colors and imagination, Zia?

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Absolutely useless topic. I feel if RSS is crazy, Zia Haq is 100 times more crazier.

“Passively worship Cow”..I never knew not eating an animal is “passively worship that animal”. I am sure muslims have never eaten a Tiger, does that mean they worship Tiger. What about PIG?

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I agree with Zia on this. There are many people including many Hindus who eat beef. There should not be any laws to prevent these people from having what they want. I beleive that’s the case in many states. Maybe this is an issue in some states but not in most. Zia should add some numbers in his article. Without numbers, the full picture is not revealed.

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Zia’s Islam is irreparable..Read these silly fatwas

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-fatwa-factory-no-yoga-insurance-veena-malik-tv/20120112.htm

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In this article Zia makes some good points and then goes into a communal spiral like most of the arabized do.

“By subjecting Muslims or others who consume beef to a cow-slaughter ban, are they also being made to passively worship the cow”

So compulsary shutting down of restaurants during eid fasting period in many muslim countries means nonmuslims in that country are made to worship Arab Allah? Can take the communal nastiness out of the arabized. They just can’t help it. Communalism has become a part of them.

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IS EATING PORK ALLOWED IN ANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES?

except saudi arabia it is allowed in every muslim country.

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: What a pity our idli-sambar, micro-minority, grass-eating papans have killed the world’s most popular game — football.

Their heart is in the stupid cricket, a game which is neither man nor woman. IPL frauds. Olympics has ranked India at 133, below some unknown islands. What a shame that the Brahminical India is at the bottom in everything — though it is the world’s No.2 in population. But No.1 in bragging, boasting, cheating, manipulating. Shameless fellows.

The hate-mongering Brahminists starved our robust Muslims and SC/ST/BCs, banned cow slaughter which made them weak and killed their stamina, affecting our sports. Vegetarianism killed our sports which will be proved in the asian Games in which India will eat the dust.

Brahminists are killing India itself. We have said it repeatedly. A land where milk and honey were once flowing is today blighted beyond recognition

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This is intellectual fraud of lowest order.
What has Rushdie written , I have read the book three times , IT IS FAR LESS SACRELIGIOUS THAN HUSSAIN PAINTING SARASWATI NUDE.
How about a UN RESOULTION against the person who writes such demeaning and villifying words
The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“The God will say: ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind ‘Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?’ ‘Glory to You, ‘he will answer, ‘how could I ever say that to which I have no right?” (Surah 5:114-)

“Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons…he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home…” (Surah 8:12-)

“Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.” (Surah 8:36-)
AND HOW ABOUT FATWA AGAINST MARLOWE , who burns KORAN in his play TAMBURLANE , HERE ARE THE LINES
Tamburlaine: Now, Casane, where’s the Turkish Alcoran, And all the heaps of superstitious books Found in
the temples of that Mahomet Whom I have thought a god? They shall be burnt . . .

. . . In vain, I see, men worship Mahomet.

My sword hath sent millions of Turks to hell, Slew all his priests, his kinsmen, and his friends, And yet I live untouch’d by Mahomet.

There is a God, full of revenging wrath, From whom the thunder and the lightning breaks, Whose scourge I am, and him will I obey.

So Casane; fling them in the fire.

(They burn the books.)

Now, Mahomet, if thou have any power, Come down thyself and work a miracle.

Thou art not worthy to be worshipped That suffers flames of fire to burn the writ Wherein the sum of thy religion rests . .
IF SOMEBODY WRITES Newton was a horse . What should we do , issue Fatwa , or ignore knowing that the guy is revealing his ignorance.
ONLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT SURE OF THE FOUNDATION . OF THEIR ARGUMENT , WILL RESORT TO VIOLENCE.
Holocaust denying is not an offence in India , NOR SHOULD IT BE , JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DENYING IT , DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.
just calling Newton a horse wont make newton a horse
NATURE IS FREE ,SO SHOULD BE HOMO SAPIENS

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This is intellectual fraud of lowest order.
What has Rushdie written , I have read the book three times , IT IS FAR LESS SACRELIGIOUS THAN HUSSAIN PAINTING SARASWATI NUDE.
How about a UN RESOULTION against the person who writes such demeaning and villifying words
The Jews and Christians say: ‘We are the children of God and His loved ones.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?” (Surah 5:18)

“Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends.” (Surah 5:51)

“The God will say: ‘Jesus, son of Mary, did you ever say to mankind ‘Worship me and my mother as gods besides God?’ ‘Glory to You, ‘he will answer, ‘how could I ever say that to which I have no right?” (Surah 5:114-)

“Believers, when you encounter the infidels on the march, do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons…he shall incur the wrath of God and Hell shall be his home…” (Surah 8:12-)

“Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God’s religion shall reign supreme.” (Surah 8:36-)
AND HOW ABOUT FATWA AGAINST MARLOWE , who burns KORAN in his play TAMBURLANE , HERE ARE THE LINES
Tamburlaine: Now, Casane, where’s the Turkish Alcoran, And all the heaps of superstitious books Found in
the temples of that Mahomet Whom I have thought a god? They shall be burnt . . .

. . . In vain, I see, men worship Mahomet.

My sword hath sent millions of Turks to hell, Slew all his priests, his kinsmen, and his friends, And yet I live untouch’d by Mahomet.

There is a God, full of revenging wrath, From whom the thunder and the lightning breaks, Whose scourge I am, and him will I obey.

So Casane; fling them in the fire.

(They burn the books.)

Now, Mahomet, if thou have any power, Come down thyself and work a miracle.

Thou art not worthy to be worshipped That suffers flames of fire to burn the writ Wherein the sum of thy religion rests . .
IF SOMEBODY WRITES Newton was a horse . What should we do , issue Fatwa , or ignore knowing that the guy is revealing his ignorance.
ONLY WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT SURE OF THE FOUNDATION . OF THEIR ARGUMENT , WILL RESORT TO VIOLENCE.
Holocaust denying is not an offence in India , NOR SHOULD IT BE , JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS DENYING IT , DOESN’T MAKE IT TRUE.
just calling Newton a horse wont make newton a horse
NATURE IS FREE ,SO SHOULD BE HOMO SAPIENS

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A closet mullah has spoken!

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Every time a muslim puts pen to paper they reveal their God. Vile, evil and psychopathically schizophrenic, why should anyone care what they think? Well, they have to, mostly from fear of what they will do next. Unfortunately science suggests that the most rabid followers of this death cult are genetically predisposed to be religious and violent to boot. As the following posts may illustrate.

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Zia, I totally support your view as expressed here, and I quote you:
For freedom to be downright offensive to be upheld as a universal right, it must be uniformly applied and accepted. This would make it impossible for governments to criminalise “online jihad” and “zealots” Rushdie hates. It would also militate against many of the Western world’s settled views, such as what constitutes libel. It could, for instance, also make a case for the right to Holocaust denial. Just about anything cannot pass as free speech. Or we might have to contend with Khomeini’s very speech that pronounced the death sentence on Rushdie.
If you don’t want to be offended, then don’t offend others – give respect, take respect, as the cliche goes.

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When muslims say following don’t they abuse freedom of speech?
1. There is no god but allah.
2. Worshipping Idol is sinful.
3. All non-muslims are enemies of Islam.
4. In muslim majority country, non-muslims are forced to follow muslim $hit like not eating openly during Ramzan.

There are thousand other things that muslims do offending others but we tolerate it.

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Zia,
You are an extremist Islamist radical, and a moron, without being aware of it.

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Maybe Zia thinks that blasphemy laws are “reasonable restrictions” on people like Rushdie. Zia sounds more of a zealot than a thoughtful person. He is basically making the crude point that none can theorize or even create fiction based on Islamic holy cows which will offend his brothers. If you do that in the name of freedom of speech, you are an absolutist and you are the same as the people who put death fatwas on you. Zia should write as a writer and not as a “Muslim” writer. Attaching the name of a religion to ones choosen field in life is rather restricting and actually dangerous in some cases. An example is some “Muslim” doctors not washing their hands with alcohol because they are “Muslim” and putting their patients at risk.

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NO YOU HAVE NOT OFFENDED, YOU HAVE SPOKEN WHAT MOST HINDUS SPEAK ABOUT ALL THE TIME,
Its time MUSLIMS DID THE SAME WITHOUT FEAR OF FATWA AND SUICIDE BOMBERS

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I am afraid that we are actually implementing blasphemy laws through the backdoor. Nothing else can explain all these bans, threats and fatwas.

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Zia is more dangerous than zaid hamid. No media outlet in pakistan which values its credibility would touch zaid hamid with a six foot pole. But Zia is a columnist for a major india national media outlet like HT. Pak english media is more responsible than ours.

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in india freedom of speech has some restriction.

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Tejinder, what can be morre indecent than calling a Arab pedophile who married a 9 year old child as a messenger of god? What can be more indecent than bowing towards primitive Arabia and demeaning yourself five time a day? What can be more indecent than killing people because they are not arabized? What can be more indecent than betraying your own ancestors by bowing down to the people who genocides them?

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Persian is not Islamic. It’s Persian. It will be cleansed of the ffecta of arabization. The Americans will start the process.

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vijay 20%of muslims of india consider him as his father.they will break his a$$ wherever they find him.so better to come and go india silently without being noticed.international zoinists published this stupid book hindu zoinists provided propaganda by banning it.

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God does not dwell in buildings made by man. But He wants to dwell in YOU.

One simple prayer made the difference for me.

When we experience God personally, as I did about 34 years ago. Alone in my
apartment I felt Jesus speaking to my heart. I did not grow up in a christian
home and was a rebel, almost dying in a motorcycle accident when I was 17. I had
a revelation that turned my life around. I had a strange desire to go to church.
Imagine that. I had an old Bible in my home given to me as a baby dedication.
Never had read it. When I had tried a few times in my life, I could never
understand it. When I started to read it after hearing God speak to me, saying,
give me your life, and I will make it what it should be, I started to understand
the Bible. It made sense, like nothing else in this world. It explained where
evil came from, the fall of mankind, their is a devil at work in the world,
blinding people to the light of Jesus Christ. It explained about Israel and why
they are persecuted, and how the messiah was to come from Israel, born
of a
virgin, God walking the earth as a man. Then to die in our place on a cruel
cross, bearing our sins upon himself. Then rising from the dead, to enter heaven
as our Eternal High Priest, ever living to make intercession for us. He is
coming back as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, to reign upon this earth as King
of Kings, and Lord of Lords. You can have a place in his kingdom, if
you ask Jesus Christ into your heart. You can be born again of His Holy Spirit
and recieve the Gift of Eternal Life. Then start reading the New Testament.

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Falling asleep zzzzzzzzz

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