Is Pak Foreign Office run from Rawalpindi?

Man, get a life. Why are you so obsessed with the wormy Pakistan? You pick up a mole and make a mountain..You bring Pakistan to relevance ..to the community of nations..Ignore them man

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Its good to see, more people wake up to the truth that Pakistan is run by Pak army and ISI.

The UN report on Benazir assasination, laid out how the country is held hostage by ISI.

The three-member panel, which was headed by Chilean Ambassador to UN Heraldo Muñoz and included Marzuki Darusman, former attorney-general of Indonesia, and Peter Fitzgerald, a veteran official of the Irish National Police, had this to say about Pak establishment.

This is what the UN report stated as per report in NY Times.
w ww.nytimes.com/2010/04/17/world/asia/17bhutto.html

“The report stated in black and white what Pakistanis sometimes have to whisper: that a nexus of elites, known as the establishment, whose core is formed by top military and intelligence officers but also includes politicians and bureaucrats, has busied itself with everything from rigging elections to making deals with militants. ”

The report details how the police was scared to investigate the murder , fearing that Pak ISI was involved!

Pak is a throughly criminal entity, which is made more venal by the free flow of Western aid into it.

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.Vinodji,

You have rightly pointed out that the ISi has come out in the open and now challenging the world that it will pursue its agenda come what may.

Don’t you think that the West has leverage through its aid packages to armtwist pakistan.

Further on, I talked to a few Chinese friends and they too are genuinly worried that a new rogue state, which shows it nuclear blackmail to enforce its terroristic designs is coming out in the open.

Under these circumstances, do you feel that they new idea floating on the net that the West may balkanize Pakistan just to attain a balance of terror among its states, may happen?

I look forward to hearing from you,

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‘Is Pak foreign office run from Rawalpindi’ ?

The answer is known by all, so its a rhetorical question.

( Meanwhile, a country that is bombed regularly by drones from a different country is not even an independent , soverign country like Bhutan or Nepal or Haiti .

Its just a temporary entity, 1/2 of which is already gone and th other 1/2 tottering on the brink. )

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Even if Couple of stone throwing hooligans die in Kashmir, Pakistani start salivating.

Well they have been salivating for last 60 years, as they have lost 1/2 the country and the remaining 1/2 tottering. Stone throwing Jihadi mobs are like small mosquitos, as far as the democratic, secular republic of India is concerned.

Here is what is happening in Karachi today.

1. Karachi in flames,
2. 27 Karachi citizens, brutally murdered. Mostly Pushtun people as buses set ablaze all over the city…

From BBC ..
http://ww w.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10843123
Raza Haider, of the MQM political party, was gunned down with his guard as he attended a funeral near the centre of Pakistan’s business capital.

The killing triggered violence in which at least 27 people were killed and more than 100 wounded, officials say.”

I am not talking about Waziristan or Swat, where Pak claims to kill 20-20 Pakistanis every day !!!!!!!!

This is Karachi, financial capital of Pak-land, where two communities – MQM and Pushtun(ANP) are fighting a war !!

And here, while Pak burns, foolish Pakistani are salivating at few hooligans killed as they attacj security forces in Jihadi anger.

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I am surprised that these Pakis can read and write english. Isn’t the whole of Pak is full of Madrasas. Although their brains don’t function like normal human being These sons of O’ bin Laden are retarded. These people live on hate and jealousy. This is a failed state which is running with the hare and hunting with the hound. Terrorism is the biggest industry of that country. Unless they promote and export terror, how will they get the billions of dollars from US and West. In NY and NJ where I live, the Pakis are identifying themselves as Indians so that they are not thrashed. The whole world hates them for what they are and have realized the double game they play.
Just to remind you brain less creatures, the GDP of **** ($164.54 Billion ) is less than the total revenue of top ten companies of India. So instead of thinking of harming India, you people should think of earning a living ,as very soon, there would be nothing left for you guys to do. Not even export terror.

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Most of the Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. So they are, with ISI . A piece of advise ” Just mind your business”. ISI & Pak Army belongs to Pakistan. Non of your business.

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PAKISTAN IS TERRORISTAN. India needs to just sit back, relax and enjoy Pak’s self destruction !!

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In USA, if you ask a Pakistani as to when he is visiting Pakistan. The answer is “not any time soon,
Life is too uncertain. You leave your house for shopping, elders sit praying till you safely come back.”
It is not uncommon that most of the robberies are committed with the knowledge of the police.
ISI is another rogue institution to intimidate the people and train and send terrorists to Afganistan, USA,or India. Is this the behavior of a civilized society.

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Such is HINDU obsession with PAKISTAN that now they are wondering how PAKISTAN is being run. Mr. Slum dwellers please focus on your slum. PAKISTAN know how to deal with it’s business as well as with HINDUSLUM.

KASHMIR Bane Ga PAKISTAN.

HINDUSTAN MURDABAD.

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The author had confused the facts at lot of places. Even if DG ISI reports to Army Chief, sanctioning of foreign trip is done by Civilian Defence Secretariat. He then denounced the statements issued by two civilians, Pak envoy to UK and Pak Foreign Minister as General’s language and Armed Forces inability to communicate. The fact of the matter is US is siding Pakistan in war against terror because they know the realities behing these reports while UK and other are issuing irresponsible statements on a very sensitive area because of their economic interests. Sane elements in India and else where fully realize the importance of establishing good relations with Pakistan for the larger sake of India. However, unfortunately, there are short-sighted and biased elements on both side of the border. India’s PM, being fully cogzinant of ground realities, wish to have a peaceful region by engaging Pakistan. We all must realize that peoples’ lives and betterment in this region is too serious a business to be left to generals, petty politicians and others who seek to gain by fanning hatred and other differences.

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Hey leave fighting ,ISI and the dirty politicians See Bangladesh seperated from Pakistan , and has far developed than Pakistan its GDP is far more better than pakistan( Isi supported)and tell all the pakistanis go to England and see how Bangladeshis are prospering and getting their country prosperous

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Mind your own business Mr. writer, pakistan is of Pakistanies its all assets its land and its everything you just focus own feeding your 400million+ underfed and below powertyline ppl and stop behaving like a policeman of the world. You guys are just on the path of development like us and china. Once you become something then start fingering otherz. A crow shouldn’t pretend swan. Don’t try to step in more than one boat otherwise you know the consequences, from where you ‘ll get tear-off. keep focusing on making more bollywood sagas like mumbai attacks its a good recipe. Remember the days when there wont be any NATO in your neighbourhood to cry on the shoulders, when you ‘ll be having more kicks from naxalites in 4 states and in nagaland and in Kashmir fear that day, its closing in…….remember.
Dont get so excited about David C’s statemnt. you know he was a sales man on business tour to sells his toys to you guys.

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Time has come to liberate kashmir from Indian ” Ugly faces on earth”. then see how the peace is pravailed in kashmir, Pakistan and India. Hindus never understand peace, hindus are called kafir becase they attack from back, just like killing civilians in kashmir. Pakistan Army and ISI need to attack kashmir then see how Indian Army will leave kashmir. Pak army needs to take action like Gouri, baber.

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Don’t be mistaken, Azhar Hussain — that WikiLeaks has no meaning. The truth has already been exposed to the world.
There are more WkiLeaks are awaitnig for you — soon all the answers will be given to you by the world.

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This is another proof if at all another one was needed that Pak army is an independent,powerful
and separate entity, a part of the Troiqua far more powerful than the other two members which goes
by its own rules. The ISI Chief was going to discuss terrorism and the ways to meet it effectively.
But when the agency has been exposed as never before, how could the ISI Chief face his counterpart
in Britain who would have asked searching questions from him? We should not forget that British
forces are also fighting and shedding their blood in Afghanistan. There have been terrorist incidents
in Britain also resulting in death and destruction. Those who indulged in it were trained in Pakistan.
Apart from the utterly puerile comment of the Pakistani High Commissioner, there is the statement
of a Labour British MP who, in order to please the constituency that has elected him has asked his
P:rime Minister to offer an apology to the Muslims of Britain who, as the MP has said, have felt
offended by his remark. As a distinguished columnist has said, Pak army wants Pakistan to be a
different state from India. If the army in that country does not play the destructive role it is playing
in training and arming terrorists and exporting terror to other countries, it would have no locus
standii in that country. Pakistani army knows that its country is considered to be front-line state
against terrorism and without its help (which in reality is a facade, a subterfuge to hide its real
object), Allied forces in Afghanistan would not be able to fight their war against the terrorist group. P:ak army has got Swat valley free from terrorists to show to the world at large that it is serious
in tooting our terrorism and terrorist groups from its soil. But it wants to be left alone in helping
the terrorist bodies to hit Indian interests in Afghanistan and also India at the time and place of its choosing. The blunt statement made by British P:rime Minister, Mr Cameron, has put the ISI in
a cleft and it is now squirming to wriggle out of it. The ISI Chief has acted brazenly in the knowledge that nobody can call him to account.

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Pakistan is a failed state infact it is not even state, it is a big desert tribe being ruled by a contract killer militia army. They are nothing more than donkeys tied to a 1400 year old pole. They dont know how to live in 21st century.
Army/ ISI being supreme in Pakistan has a reason.Basically they are just invaders/marauders and like savages they can invade/loot and destroy all in the name of religion but they can never run the affairs of a country. All little bit whatever Pakistan has survived this far is affect of eastern religions.
Who gains prominence in a goonda mindset tribe ???? people with guns !!
This world is yet to figure out what to do with a fragmented Pakistan and seem to have decided that the filth better be contained in a bag called Pakistan for the time being.

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Pakistan is still in existence due to its begging style.. all the western powers give away something every few months and that’s feeding this terrorist country. I am very amazed with Pakistan’s begging capacity… they must never leave it… beside that they can not progress in any other field.

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It is really comical to see Pakistani suicide bombers pulling their hair and beating their chests trying to intimidate the civilized world from speaking the truth about their rogue country. ahahhahah
They want an apology from British PM, They would ban facebook/ twitter, they would seek clarification from Afgan President when he said attack terror factories in Pakistan, they would call 92000 paper leak by Wikileak….
How many mouth you will shut ? or blow them up ??

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@LD Bhatia,
Lets talk about RAW’s exported terrorism in east pakistan resulting in BD, in Sri lanks which has just avoided creation of a tamil state, in Nepal, in BD, in Pakistan from eastern and now from western border via its “Interests” in Afghanistan. We know that you have your puppet madressas setup in Afghanistan to harbour terrorist to carry out suicide attacks in Pakistan your paid fake mullahs are doing their duties in Afghanistan for this. Would you plz tell me that for all these actions, RAW is accountable to anyone in your country? does it? My dear, we are @war since our very creation, dont expect your enemy to kiss you if you hit em. Always be prepared for some counter measures. Dont try to always use the same recipe of 9/11 drama, the london bombing the madrid and then mumbai, that all was to board the same train going to Afghanistan.

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Peace in South Asia can come only with the transfer of NWFP back to Afghanistan. The Durand Line expired in 1993. Pakistan is legally obligated to transfer this territory to Afghanistan.Of course the final choice is with the Pakhtoons, to join Afghanistan or live an independent Pakhtoonistan. IThe Baloch and Pakhtoons simply want no part of Pakistan.

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The author is either silly or ignorant. IsIndian RAW under the control of the babus of Indian home ministery? Then why this silly trying to make an isue out of nothing. ISI is under the direct control of Pak PM and not the Army Chief. The fact is that these coward Indians are so scared by the mighty ISI that they are frightened of ISI even in their dreams. These sillies are now make hou and cry just for nothing because nothing is going to change. ISI can not be less hard on the enemies of Pakistan just because some silly Indians or stupid immature David Cameros want it to change.

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@Vidya,
Go get some piss drink with sharma and then shed the light on drawing the line. Why not to redraw the map of your country and break it into pieces like indep Kashmir, Naga land, and a Naxalite estate etc etc. coz none of these nations wants to live with Endia? what you think shall we? …..stop dreaming the blues, I think you guys ve enough bollywood movies.

ISI, whether its under army control or PM control who are you to bark @? its totally internal pakistani matter, its none of anybody else’s business…not even David Moron ( rightly to be named, the idiot brit salesman).

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Yes,

Uncle Sam who throws small peices of moth eaten rotis to at our Pakistani brotheres is already planning to amalgamate NWFP with Afghanistan, while Baluchistan and MOhajirs are to be given freedom.

Ajgar Hussain, Sal and a few donkeys and camels will remain in Pakistan

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Dear Vinod,
Zardari has gone on an offical visit not a state visit, primarily to launch his son in politics, strangely from Birmingham. Kayani is not sending him to seek an apology from Cameroon. Cameroon has only stated facts supported by Kayani’s mentor Mike Mullen and now by ex canadian envoy. Role of Kayani and army is open to the world as per wikileaks, and who else is to be blamed for this but the Pentagon.

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40,000 Indians ‘disappear’ in Malaysia, visa on arrival scrapped
Indo-Asian News Service
Kuala Lumpur, August 03, 2010First Published: 18:40 IST(3/8/2010)
Last Updated: 18:48 IST(3/8/2010) Email printBookmark & Share more…

Malaysia revoked its visa on arrival (VOA) facility for Indians after 40,000 visitors from India “abused” it and “disappeared”, Deputy Prime Minister Muhyideein Yassin has said. The cases of Indians abusing the scheme topped the list of unauthorised immigrants from eight South Asian nations related stories
UK to tighten foreign student visa regime
and China to whom the VOA was offered.

The facility has now been “scrapped permanently”, The Star newspaper reported on Tuesday quoting the deputy prime minister.

The Cabinet Committee on Foreign Workers and Illegal Immigrants felt that it needed to be revoked as it brought certain problems for the country.

“In the past, we gave flexibility to several nations. If their citizens came to this country and they didn’t have a visa, one could be issued at the entry point.

“We have noticed that this was being abused. We (the Cabinet committee) agreed that the VOA facility be revoked or discontinued,” he said after chairing the committee meeting in Kuala Lumpur on Monday.

Apart from Indians, the facility was extended to tourists from China, Bhutan, Nepal, Bangladesh, Myan­mar, Taiwan and Comoros.

It has been reported that thousands of tourists have abused their VOA, which was introduced in 2006 in conjunction with Visit Malay­sia Year 2007, by overstaying.

In February, the government suspended the facility for visitors from India following reports that the highest number of VOA abuse involved citizens from that country.

Last January, prior to his India visit, Prime Minister Najib Tun Razak had also expressed concern over the “disappearance” of almost 40,000 Indians who had entered the country through the VOA.

Multi-ethnic Malaysia is home to 1.7 million ethnic Indians. Many have problems registering themselves as voters. They are denied the Mykad, the national identity card.

In a related development, Election Commission deputy chairman Wan Ahmad Wan Omar said online registration was “risky, costly and unnecessary”.

“It is not easy to set up online registration because there will be many loopholes for people to cheat and it’s difficult to check who is registering for whom,” he said.

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Baloch hoga Azaad
Pakistan hoga burbaad

Balochistan Zindabad

Sindhudesh Zindabad

Altaf Bhai Batti lagao
hum tumhare saath hai

Altaf bhai hamara Imaan hai
aaj ka Mujbir rahman hai.

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Go ISI a job well done in Kashmir

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Ajgar ,

Your voice is staid and tired! Look out of your window,,, the drones are coming! u r aout to become a peice of history !

87 Pakistanis disappeared in Karachi last night and more are disappearing right now !
Worry about them !

US, Canada and UK are about to make Pakistan into history…

Pakistan se zinda bhaag…
Yeh hai nation barbaad….:)
Pakistan se zinda bhaag

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The one person who realised the importance of Altaf Hussain was Narasimha Rao. In ealry ninties, Narasimha Rao managed to give Pakistan a taste of its own medicine thru Altaf bhai.

Till IK Gujral sold everything for a Kabab platter.

Let’s start talking to Altaf Bhai again!

mOHJIRSTAN ZINDABAD !!

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according to the recently released wikileaks, one of the wishlist of Pak army is “to keep Pakhtoon nationalism down.” Do you seriously think changing the name of NWFP to Khyber Pakhtoonwa will achieve that ? At some point Pakistan will have to come to terms with the illegal occupation of Pakhtoon lands.
Please read Chris Alexander, former Canadian ambassador to Afghanistan and Matt Waldman, Harvard Kennedy School of Government. Oh, and yes, please feel free to quote extensively
The use of PAF against the Marris and Bugtis are nothing less than war crimes.
What is currently working in your favour is india’s visionless , lethrgic foreign office.

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There is the raw informations in wikilinks made by low level agents in afganistan and these information is neither verified nor confirmed. These 90,000 page documenst talks about more of civilians casualities by Nato & US troops in Afganistan than Pak’s ISI double dealing. And US itself didnt give so much importance on Wiki-Links except some informations of ground operations, military personnel etc.

As far as ISI is concerned, these kind of news and/or David Cameron’s statement in Banglore comes from one ear and pass through other ear of ISI. Doesnt effetc ISI in any manner.

US and Nato is happy to get whatever help from ISI as they can. They cannot afford to make ISI angry. At the end, there has to be some kind of arrangements between Karzai’s govt and Taliban and this process has already been started from last year. Only ISI has the capability to turn the table in Afganistan.

@Vijay

Pak is not using PAF against Marris and Bugti. I know a lot. What Pak will get to use PAF against few hundreds peopel who are dispersed when it can be done by other ways too..BTW..Bugti and Marris are armed though…What do you feel of killing of unarmed civilians who are stone pelting in Kashmir by your security forces for Independence.

I guess even vinod Sharma will not talk abt that truth and he will talk about that truth which suits him most.

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Sal, You serial liar, Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti was killed by the PAF. Are you going to deny the PAF sorties agaibst Pakhtoons in South Waziristan? Of course NATO accepted what input they got from the ISI because they thought they were fighting on the same side. That nuance is now changing.

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There is fire, deep resentment in common public against many politicians, Army, ISI. This is because this triangle are fighting, supporting each other. In the process they are making money for themselves. The enemy is not India for Pakistanis. It is enemy by propaganda created mainly by Army and ISI. India never attacked Pakistan and will never do. As I said previously situation is evolving in Pakistan against ISI and Army. Days are not far when final push will be given by common public and Army/ISI will be shown door. Earlier these three entities used to fight each other and not much effect was there on public. Now effect is very evident on common public in terms of lawlessness, poverty, less opportunity and cut fro mainstream of development. Any true Pakistani will tell you that these three organs of government are curse to his/her country and they need democracy and better governance. There has been many exchanges of people in sports, arts, culture etc. but the ISI/ Military duo has spoiled everything and it is there everyone to see it!

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Dear Sal

Do you really think KaSAB will get jannat, even after he is hanged in India after a free trial ?

If u do u r a madcap fanatic like most Pakistanis…

Do u r really think that Bugti died a natural death ?

U got to be mad…

Do you really think Pakistan will survive by cut and paste (like ur bro Ajgar Hussain thinks) and papering over the b urka problem?

.And that of polygamy, which converts young people to become suicide bombers, thinking that they will get sex in jannat as they cannot get it on earth bcos the Rich and powerful of Pakistan marry all women thru polygamy?

Sal, u joker, pakistan se jaldi bhaag
Yeh hai Kabristan barbad…

Pakistan se zinda bhaag
yahan par hai Nark ABAAD

Cheers,

Your pal

Vijay kumar,

(originally from Sialkot– his grandparents house and farm is still there…

But coming back soon to eliminate communal killers and fanatics

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@Sal Why Nawaz Sharif is against these two entities? Why there are protests against Army? Why Pakistanis comes to India to earn and mingle with Indian citizens? Regarding Siachen India has not annexed it form Pakistan or attacked it. Again fact check here.

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Lesson 1 :
Writing on the Wall : The more Pakistanis crave Kashmir, Jihad etc and fight India , The more they lose
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Regarding Siachen, these are facts.
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1. Indo-Pak boundary commission demarcated LoC after 1971 war.
Line of control maps, that were exchanged after 1971 war ( after India graciously returned 12,000 km of Pak territory in the West ) , did not mark Siachen. The maps stopped at the glacier and just said, the line of control , continues northwards from here.

2. Siachen lay barren. Then in 1980 ties, Pak started giving permits to foreign mountain climbers to go to siachen, claiming the glacier to be its. Pak set up military posts and started building access roads.

3. India protested. Pak pre-varicated.

India interprets ‘northwards’ to mean simply ‘North’
Pakistan said , northwards doen not mean North, but to just go along the same trajectory at which the LoC stopped !

4. Then Indian PM Mrs Indira Gandhi, ordered operation Meghdoot to throw the Pakistani occupiers out of Siachen.

5. Qatl-e-azam, ‘Qaid Post’ was also liberated and is now known as ‘Bana Post’ , after legendary hero of Siachen, Bana Singh.

I have told the foolish ****-s , that the more they fight with India, the more they will lose.

Its a self evident truth.

If Pakistan wants to save what it has, the first step it must do is
accpet the current LoC in Kashmir as international boundary.

If it keeps fighting, its survival is at stake.

Its a take it or leave it advice and Pakistanis are not known to be either rational or intelligent.

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Sal,
This is what j happened to the 15% Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan after Partition. You have, however, skirted the issue of why NWFP should be in Pakistan. You say Nawab Akhtar Bugti was killed by” explosive”. Akhbar Bugti lived in a cave deep inside a mountain. Please explain this explosion business?

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Sal and Azhar are ‘jewels in the crown of Pakistan’ , just like criminals Kasav, every terrorist organization from
Jesh-e-Mohammad, Lashkar-e-toiba, Lashkar-e-mohammad to Muhammaded-e-muhammad ( If it does not exist, it will soon) .

There fake history should be an eye opener for every Indian why Pakistan today is what it is.

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Pakistan and Baluchistan.
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http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266484

There is a very revealing and detailed article in Outlook on this subject.
Definitely a must read.

Some excerpts

Baluch leader , Khair Bux Mari , In a recent interview to a Sindhi newspaper,declared

” “The British only laid the foundation of our slavery but the Punjabis bathed us in blood and kept us slaves. What would we do in such circumstances? Obviously, we would retaliate.”

Ex US Ambassador Robert Blakewell and journalist Michael hughes argue

Hughes’ essay, “Balkanising Pakistan: A collective national Security Strategy – Breaking Pakistan to Fix It” argues that,

…as a result of flawed boundaries combined with the nexus between military rule and Islamic extremism, Pakistan now finds itself in rapid descent toward certain collapse and the country’s leaders stubbornly refuse to do things required to change course. But before allowing Pakistan to commit state suicide, self-disintegrate and further destabilise the region, the international community can beat them to the punch and deconstruct the country less violently.

Sooner or later, India has to stop mouthing that stupid argument that a ” strong Pakistan is good for India”

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keep on fighting, i do have an idea, in future y dont we fight at borders via hockeys and sticks?

i think fight with india is right option but v(pak) should pay atntion to our economy first, indians have gotten advantage of our current grround conditions(terrorism),just see as the time went by what will happen to inidianz keep trust in ur leadership, japan 2nd largst econmy with 120 million people, we 170 millon(30-40 bi economy see cia fact book) can do alot of things, just try to focus on the article said above, rawalpindi is key foreign policy making unit in pakistan, it is a fact and v(pak) dont have any problem/

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The bad bad news coming from beloved Pakistan;

It does not surprise anyone since the height of intolerance comes out of this evil vile mafia state:

Read this: It from THE HINDU, the most tolerant of Indian newspaper, when it come to Pakistan>
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Was it ignorance, oversight or bigotry? This is the question doing the rounds on the Internet as young Pakistanis come to terms with the coffin of Premchand – one of the 152 passengers killed in last week’s plane crash in Islamabad – being labelled as `kafir’ (non-believer).

A bit of everything seems to be the answer from the discussion triggered on various websites. The reactions range from remorse and disgust at denying the youngster respect in death to anger at why an issue is being made of what may have just been a clerical error.

Premchand, a social worker from Sanghar in Sindh, was among the six members of the Youth Parliament killed in the plane crash. What made his death stand out was what happened later. Summing it up, the first post on the online discussion forum `pakistaniat.com’ said: “His death – like the death of everyone on that flight – was a matter of national tragedy; the treatment of his dead body a matter of national disgrace.’’

Friends who identified Premchand’s body were quoted by news reports as saying that the coffin came marked `kafir’. The word literally means ‘infidel’ or ‘non-believer’, but it is seen as an insult in these parts. “It was shocking. He could have been marked as Hindu or non-Muslim, but using the word `kafir’ is the worst example of intolerance.’’ Muneeb Afzal, a member of the Youth Parliament (MYP) said; recalling that the night before the crash he had received greetings from Premchand to mark the 15th of Shabaan.

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Intolerance and hatred of non Sunni Muslims has seeped into every aspect of Pakistan. This episode just proves that.

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I am adding a chapter from personal history. Sal, just that “it was good to hear that you are originally from Sialkot.’

Well, Sal, I am just letting you know why he had to leave Sialkot.

On 2nd August 1947, a mob of at least 5,000 surrounded, his house as it did of the other Hindus in the district. The message was simple.

Get killed or convert to Islam. Or Just get out.

Some friends, including a few Muslims, managed to keep the mob at bay for the day.

This was the stark truth. NO papering over.

Some of the HIndus, especially the women were lifeted and converted. He just chose to leave Sialkot and go to what was to be India.

MOst of the Non Muslms chose to leave. Many were killed on the way.

In contrast, the message to the Muslims in India was very different.

Pakistan has been created. If you want to go there, it is your choice. If you stay India welcomes you.
In fact many Muslims did go. Many opted to stay here. After some days there was a curious signal from the authorities in Pakistan. That no more Muslims were welcome. we have had our fill.

Now Sal, look deep in your heart ande tell me, which ideology is superior?

I look forward to your answer.

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Vijay Kumar
I really feel for what your family went through.I ggrew up in Delhi ,most of the peaple in my neighborhood held similar memories.I wish i had met your grandad,I would have touched his feet.

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@Vijay,
Thanks for sharing your personal anecdote.
You also brought out the contrast between India and Pakistan well.

There are tens of thousands of similar stories on both sides of the border.
You can read history books from indepndent souces and find out who started the riots and which political parties existence and ideology depended on communalizing the situation.
You can read, reports filed by the British Governor of Punjab about which leaders and which party was going around, trying to incite the vilest of human emotions, based on religion.

Tens of millions of Muslims, chose to stay in India. Indian political leaders ideology of secularism, Gandhi , Nehru’s political ideology of treating all Indians as equals, was among the reasons. Today India has almost as many Muslims as Pakistan itself.
Thats tells the story of respect of diversity Vs bigotry, good Vs bad, India Vs Pakistan more than anything else.

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Bazeecha-e-itifal hay dunia meray agay
hota hay shabo roz tamasha meray agay (Ghalib)

It took me a lot to collect the inside of me to have a final go as the same old rant/chant is making lesser and lesser of an interest to read quality remarks and even to stick to this blog.

In the statement below

Wikileaks’ Afghan diary is a wake up call for the Americans, the Brits and other NATO allies. If ISI could be that pernicious under their very nose, what’ll happen when they turn their backs on Afghanistan?

I’d like to draw an attention that within the afghan diary more criticism is sighted towards washington for its henious crime against humanity and not ISI/Islamabad. Nearly 70% of massive artillary usage resulted against civilian population, people who had no links with any terrorist activity. Furthermore, it was also made aware that Pak involvement is due to biased opinion of the afghan intelligence agency which obviously are against Pak and its one time strategic partner Taliban so nothing concrete can be said but the speculations can be right/wrong. Afterall it is Washington that is more vocal on the issue these days.

Even if ISI is involved and causing serious harm i wonder how come they were not able to contain the pakistani section of taliban.

Usman

Ref: http://wardiary.wikileaks.org/

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@Rajiv

Sorry to say you, you are the lier. Here is what I found in your link.

“In August 1947, at the end of British Raj, the population percentage of Hindus in what is today in Pakistan was perhaps as high as 15-20%, but would drop to its current total of 2% in the years since independence.”

by http://pakistanhindupost.blogspot.com/ (from Rajiv Source)

It clearly says that in August 47, Hindus in Pak were as high as 15-20%. But doesnt tell anything about the % of Hindus in the year of 1950 (or 1952 when border was open and people could have migrate) . A very mass migration has been done from India to Pak and Pak to India after partition (August, 1947). This is why I ask you about the % of Hindus in Pak at the year of 1950.

Atleat, you should read the link.

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@ Rajiv,

Thx.

The current situation in Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir is only a grim reminder that we are being lax in doing our homework, regarding tri-furcation. I hope you are send some mails on the subject. On my part I have already sent out at least 100 and getting a huge positive response.

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@Eveyone

A very big portion of 15% of Pak i.e. (Hinus & sikh) had migrated to India from time period of 1947 to 1952 and even after 1952.

Roughly 7 to 10 Millions Hindus and Sikhs had migrated to India from 1947 to 1952 from Pak. This migration has reduced to % of non-muslims in Pak.

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Are yaar, Vinod Sharma is a totally petty shameless chamcha of Congress party. I used to think that at least he is intelligent but was laughing my brains off yesterday watching him on TimesNow. He got so worked up about criticism of Suresh Kalmadi on CWG, he started on a tangent about BJP and started abusing the other panelists.

With journalistic pretenders like these, the future of HT is quite bright. With this level of intelligence Mr. Sharma may not be able to get a Rajya Sabha seat he is looking for. He will continue to ensure one for the proprietors with his shameless pandering though.

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Sultan Sahin, in New Age Islam
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Cultural and ethnic minorities in Pakistan are in great distress, with suicide bombers routinely killing sectarian minorities like the Shia and the Ahmadi during prayers inside mosques, cross border terrorism once again raising its head after a brief lull, terrorists trained in Pakistan seeking to perpetrate terror even in the West.

After a few threatening noises following the recent Times Square bombing attempt, the international community appears to be treating its dealings with Pakistan as business as usual. But if we are to get rid of the menace of massive violation of the human rights of sectarian, religious, ethnic minorities and women in Pakistan as well as cross border terrorism, it’s high time the world took the issue of neutralising the epicentre of terrorism in the world more seriously.

Recently, nearly a hundred Ahmadis were killed while praying in their mosques in Lahore. This kind of killing has become virtually routine for another sectarian minority, the Shia. Suicide bombers regularly invade their mosques on the pretext of praying with them and explode themselves, killing scores of their co-religionists. Ethnic minorities like the Baluchis, Mohajirs, Pashtuns and Sindhis are under constant pressure of varying intensity at different times on different pretexts.

Religious minorities

Religious minorities like Hindus and Christians face similar persecution. There have been several incidents of these religious minorities having had their prayer houses burnt down, killing scores. Forced conversions to Islam, particularly of Hindu girls, who are abducted first, have become another routine. Hindu minorities who constituted 23 per cent of the population at the time of Pakistan’s creation in 1947 have now been reduced to barely 2 per cent. These religious minorities, along with the Ahmadis, also suffer from Pakistan’s notorious blasphemy laws which prescribe death for alleged defamation of Islam. In the case of Ahmadis their mere claim to be Muslim constitutes blasphemy. This leads to some ridiculous but deadly situation for the minorities. Two Ahmadi teachers were put under detention and faced the threat of death penalty merely because their bikes had a sticker containing a verse of the Holy Quran, (Is God not sufficient for His servant?). Ten important functionaries of the Ahmadiyya Community were detained under PPC 295-A, 298-C and 295-C which carry long imprisonments and death penalty for writing the following in their correspondence:

(In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful)

(We praise Him, and invoke blessings on His Noble Prophet)

(May peace and Allah’s mercy be with you)

A case was registered under the Blasphemy law on 12 October 1994 against three Ahmadis for translating the Quran in Sindhi language. Subsequently, two more Ahmadis were added to the final charge sheet, alleging them to be the publishers.

In this age of the internet it will not be difficult for anyone to find hundreds of examples of such persecution of the ethnic, religious and sectarian minorities in Pakistan.

International dimension

Pakistan’s violation of human rights is not only causing distress to millions of its own citizens; it has an international dimension as well. For Human Rights defenders around the world, the most worrying aspect is the involvement of State laws and state machinery. It is no accident that the recent attacks on Ahmadis took place in the backdrop of the recent 18th Amendment to the Pakistan constitution which has sealed off the office of prime minister to non-Muslims by declaring that the post will be held by a Muslim. The presidency has, since 1956, already been reserved for Muslims alone. State’s growing intolerance of minorities inevitably encourages extremists to perpetrate more terror.

For Pakistan’s neighbours like India, the concern arises from the fact that Pakistan continues to ignore, if not actively support, the terrorist groups it had spawned earlier under some misplaced strategic imperatives to export terrorism to other countries.

For Muslims around the world, the concern is that Pakistan maintains such discriminatory laws and allows its misuse by the state machinery in the name o Islam, supposedly to promote Islam. After all, the terrorists who blow themselves up, killing scores of people in Ahmadi or Shia mosques, do not do so just because they have been offered some money, but because they have been brainwashed into believing that this act will take them instantly to heaven. There are ostensibly Islamic institutions preaching this evil, brainwashing their pupils and training them to do so. These institutions are well-known, their leaders strut around Pakistani cities, addressing large gatherings, preaching terror, openly collecting donations for their nefarious acts. Pakistani state cannot possibly be unaware of these events, particularly as it organises security for the leaders of these institutions like Hafiz Mohammad Saeed of Jamaat-ud Dawa and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba.

Pakisani civil society

It is heartening that Pakisani civil society is seized of the matter and many intrepid journalists are condemning such dastardly suicide bombings and other terrorist acts at great personal risk. But at the same time, and very unfortunately, one hears voices, even in the English media that used to be the one corner of sanity in Pakistan, justifying killings of Ahmadis and persecution of other minorities in the name of maintaining the purity of Islam. This is largely a result of the ongoing project of Wahhabisation around the world that has spawned many vested interests promoting a very dry, desiccated version of Islam in which the beauty and generosity of Islam, its compassion and mercy have no place. It is necessary for mainstream Muslims to sit up and take notice. Let us hope there is still time and Islam can still be retrieved from the hands of these marauders.

Pakistani state’s continued involvement in promoting acts of terror abroad, even if it is more an act of omission rather than commission, as it claims, has to be inevitably viewed with concern by all those who believe in the indivisibility of human rights. One cannot protect human rights in one country and allow their violation in another country. But this is a cause for even greater alarm for Muslims who see the goings on in Pakistan, as tarnishing the fair name of Islam, thus immensely fuelling Islamophobia around the world. It is no accident that Islamophobic political parties have begun to gain ground in several European countries in the aftermath of continuing massive human rights violations in some Muslim countries and by Muslim extremists even after 9/11.

UN, OIC must intervene

Humanity in general, but Muslims in particular, have got to become very careful about how Islam is being projected by Muslims in the eyes of the world. Thus not only world organisation like the UN, but also Muslim Organisations like OIC must intervene and seek to impress upon offending Muslim countries like Pakistan to stop following domestic and foreign policies that sully the name of Islam. Suicide bombers trained in Pakistan are not only creating havoc in their own country, but also crossing land and seas to terrorise the world. It is strange that while the International community seizes upon the slightest violation of human rights in some countries to condemn them from all corners, it is quite reluctant to put pressure on Pakistan to change course. This is presumably because it is perceived as an ally in the ongoing war on terror. But it has to be understood that by its acts of omission and commission Pakistan is actually fuelling this war. It is not in Pakistani interest or at least in the interest of all-powerful Pakistan Army for this war to end. So those of us who are working towards creating a more peaceful world should take the issue much more seriously than we have done up to now.

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The above is from a speech titled Human Rights in Pakistan: Cultural and Ethinic Dimensions made by Sultan Shahin, editor, New Age Islam, on 11 June 2010, addressing a parallel seminar on Human Right Concerns in South Asia organised by Inter-Faith International during UN Human Rights Council’s June 2010 session at Geneva

Copyright: http://www.NewAgeIslam.com

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Hi Vinod, saw you on Times now. You made a pathetic picture. whats with you guys in HT you forget that you are journalists first and not congress mouth pieces. very shabby. you should have stuck to the debate for which you were invited. i thought that was a very crass attempt on your part trying to subvert the topic. isnt there something like integrity or journalistic pride in your newspaper?.
i felt swapnadas gupta was very dignified in his rebuff to you.

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Dear Sal,

I had asked you a simple question.

Which is in the end a better ideology.

a) Pakistan– which drove away its HIndus and Sikhs at partition time, through violence and forcible conversions. And today puts pressure on them as well as CHristians, Ahemadiyas and SHias to convert to Islam or migrate or live as second class citizens in the Islamic republic.

b) Or HIndustan which chose not to drive away its Muslims though violence to Pakistan. And today wants its Muslims to live as equals.

Let us see whether you answer this straight.

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@ Vinod Sharma aka the “vangaurd of secularism”

i am not abusing my freedom in any way. you feel distasteful when i say something critical about the Quran , but have you ever bothered to lecture Sal , Azhar and other Pakistanis on the blog , the same way , when they post insulting comments about Hindus?? they have referred to Indians as Hindus and have posted degrading comments.

but as i expected , you ignored these insults very conveniently. others may see a pro-Congressi in yourself , but more than that , i see yourself as a pseudo secular pro-Pakistani Indian journo.

you are a kind of person who cannot see things that are occuring openly. right from the birth of Islam , Muslims have acted aggressively against non-Muslims , following instructions from the Quran and the paedophile prophet.

overcome your hypocrisy before preaching others of civilized behaviour!!

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I haven’t seen the comments of Azhar Hussain leaving the blog !

If its true then its like a LeT operative or an ISI sympathizer, restricting himself to Pakistan !

In my opinion, Cheers and good riddance .

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Dear everyone,

Since the question of Commonwealth games has arisen, let me say in a loud voice, that “yahaan par bharat ki izzat ka sawaal hai”… we have to do a good job, The world is watching us.

I have been assosciated with the CWG as a project Engineer for a company which tried to get some construction related work, but could not as upfront kickbacks asked were high.So I have some knowledge of what is happening, even though our company did not get the work.

But…. Let me say one thing. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL GOVERNMENT PROJECTS IN INDIA.

In CWG, the del;ay in the works was too high. Right till 2008 when Mani Aiyar was the sports minister, everything was vetoed and India would have fallen flat on its face,.Mani Aiyar is basically a noise creater who cannot do anything except create bureaucracy and delay things.

You cannot expect him to create stadia or plan anything big and execute it.

Things like the Metro, the airtport terminal were gfoing on fine. But the Sports Ministery was frozen.
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We would have become the international joke Pakistan wants us to be. Then Shiela Dixit went and met MMS and Sonia and Mani Aiyar was removed and GIll came in.

Presto! THings started happen. But everything went into a panice mode because of the sheer paucity of time. A coterie culture where kalamadi and a few men suddenly got extreme powe arose.

The result is for everyone to see..

More later

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Pyaare bandhu Sal,

I do not share your view that the conditions of religious minorities in Pakistan is rosy. Maybe very few people outside Pakistan will believe this.

However…..

I am asking you a straight and simple question.

What is a better ideology?

a) The ideolgy which lets all religions prosper, inspite of some tensions somethimes. ALlows them to aspire for highest officies in Defence, civil adminstaration, politics and governance and declares the country to belong to all religion and races. And also remains democractic all the time.

OR

b) An ideology which says one religon is supreme and the PM, President can only be from that religion. It does not permit the higher defence officers and civil administration to have officers from any other relgion; It has ‘non state” actors of this one religion who create acts of terror worldwide and kill innocents; It has been a military dictatorship most of the time and a fragile fig leaf of a democracy with headquarters in the Army cantoment. THis ideology jails writers, thinkers and poets. And kills, jails and imposes jaziya on people who do not follow a particular hardline version of one religion.

Can you answer my question without getting India and Pakistan into it. On what is better and what ideology should all countries of the world follow. A or B ???

Let us if you have the courage to answer this straight….

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Sal, my pal,

I had asked for a straight answer. A or B. Forget India or Pakistan. Just tell me what system should all countries of the world follow.

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As I said, statistics say it all about crminal Pkaitsna and the criminal ideology its based on.

1. It expelled 90% of its minorties from West Pakistan.
( In India 85% of Muslims stayed in India !!!!!!!!! From India only 15% of Muslims migrated to Pak ).

2. Made vile criminal laws like non Muslims cannot become President, PM of Pakistan.

3. Made even more vile Huddod and laws pertaining to Blasphemy to terrorize the few minorities left behind.

As I said , numbers say it all. Pak is a thug and venal entity to its core.

That is state sponsored discrimination and venality.

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US, UN declare Harakatul Jihad al-Islami terrorist group
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201087\story_7-8-2010_pg7_7

The US and the United Nations on Friday declared Pakistan-based group Harakatul Jihad al-Islami a “foreign terrorist organisation” and targeted its commander for supporting acts of terrorism, the US Treasury Department said. Mohammad Ilyas Kashmiri, who the US labelled a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist”, will have any of his assets frozen in US jurisdiction and the move will also “prohibit US persons from engaging in any transactions with him”. The Treasury Department said the UN had taken similar action against the HuJI and Kashmiri. As the group’s leader, US officials said Kashmiri “provides support to al Qaeda operations, including logistical support for al Qaeda’s terrorist attacks”, the Treasury Department said, detailing deadly assaults on the Pakistani government personnel and facilities.”

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Important to note Mohammad Illayas used to work for the Pak army special operation group.
He was also one of the contacts of Headley in Pakistan along with other Pakistan army/isi officers in organizing the attack on Mumbai.

Religion inspired criminality runs through the spine of Pakistan state as represented by its army/isi.

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Finally years of hard work of Mr. Vinod Sharma has shown and Congress has rewarded yet another of its loyal soldiers.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article558205.ece

Readers of this newspaper have suspected the dealmakings of this journalist for a long time, after all Mr. Sharma does not even try to be discreet about being Congress’s trojan horse in the media. The journalist held up his side of bargain for a long time, now the goverment has obliged with its side of the bargain. QED.

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India was plundered by Islamic terrorism since time immemorial. The Muslim invaders invaded India and plundered all its wealth. All the wealth from the temples were looted and taken away by them. India got some breather from invasion after Moguls ascended the Delhi throne. They had made India safe by their strong fighting skills and warriors.The Mulsim invaders came from Persia and Iran.When Britishers came to India to do trading with Moguls were weakened by internal divisions and British soon captured the last mogul and imprisoned him and banished him to Rangoon (Burma) which was also a territory of British.
Although British had also plundered India of its wealth during the period of East India company rule, but after the queen take over the rule by sending governor general to India, the east India company rule was stopped.
That British had won over all the major areas and included it into the British Colonialism. At last India was united under the British rule which would have been never possible as the Muslims had never dared to get all the small states and areas under them. All the 600 odd princely states were merged to British India and the British had appointed political agents for all the states.
All these shows that Hindus were never a fighter clan and force. They were betrayed by their own clan and people. If Hindus would be a fighter clan and force they would have never been under subjugation of all these Moguls and British. After we got freedom at midnight of 15th August 1947, we think that our good fortune has come and we would live a decent life free from corruption and subjugation but that was a mirage. All the British Civil Servant’s role was taken over by the Indian Civil servants who lead a lavish life style with unbridled power and absolute hangover of British India.All the British officers,generals,governors and agents were replaced by the present day Minister,CM,PM and their chamchas.
That there is no difference between British rule and Present day democratic rule.The conspiracy, under hand dealings are as they were. Only difference is that we call ourselves citizens of a Sovereign,free,democratic,secular,independent,republic country.But we have not replaced all the laws,rules,acts etc which were run by British to administer the slave India.We have the IPC and CRPC made by them. We have fabricated our constitution by copying the same from the British Constitution. Our leader never had the inkling that the constitution of an island cannot be suitable for a country like India whose population may be 120 crores by 2000.We are suffering all the problems of discontentment among states, corruption, regionalism, nepotism, terrorism, minority appeasement for votes and vendetta politics.
Now we cannot cry if our officers and ministers are found involved in corruptions. We are simply watching them savouring crores of our taxes by falsified and fraudulent method,bills,invoices.Our media which had brought Indira Gandhi to her knees is now kneeling down before her daughter-in-law.so shame on our media which is crawling before her, when she had asked them to bend.
We as Indian are ashamed of ourselves seeing the colossal loot in CWG games. Yesterday Mr.Digvijay Singh had deplored the CVC, who had the temerity to investigate the corruption in CWG without taking orders from her madam. So all these shows that the scam is as big as the Bofors scam and all the high level leaders are involved in the loot. No one is saying anything as the matter is in high level and the media is also getting silent under directions from top. Our PM and Sonia itself are silent.
Are all Hindus of India should leave India and go to any other country on earth but there is no such place which can reside 100 crores of Hindus.But it would happen any day in future as they are silent,peaceful,lazy,foolish,carzy,impotents .we would rather wait for the day when all these pseudo secular parties would sell India to American forces and Hindus would be converted to Islam and Christianity by force, terrorism .We all Hindus have no respect for any Hindus, Gods and Goddesses ,Religion and primarily our NATION,HINDUSTAN,BHARAT,INDIA.We are simply hungry for power and money. What can a man need as his basic needs:- clothes,homes,foods.But we all Hindus want everything except our nation and religion. Shame to us being A Hindu.

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How does anyone expect MMS to be a gentleman? he has not been elected to lokasabha and instead entered parliament by back doors of rajyasabha and although there is no precedent of any rajyasabha member being the pm of the great country ,he became chosen as pm by madam sonia gandhi who need a goonga gudda to get her rule with impunity, being a extra constitutional authority. mms is simply a goonga gudda who can never open his mouth unless and untill so directed by madam to open and say. we all Indian are ashamed of ourselves thatw e are ruled by two nautankis who are doing nothing although country is passing through grave crisis. Our forces are being browbeaten in Kashmir by the anti national forces. How can security forces remain calm under so much provocation & being beaten by the anti Indian forces. We cannot fathom being a brave Indian. why do he is in the seat of pm if he is unable to save his forces killed in Kashmir as well as in naxal affected areas. Why he is playing Nero? if he feels himself helpless by circumstances he should resign and go to academics. He is unfit for pm post and good for academics.

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Our govt has failed to check corruption in many fields and the media had exposed many of them.Like Telecom scam and IPL scam the present scam that is out for media is CWG scam.In cwg all runs on the whims and fancies of SURESH KALAMDI a congress leader from Maharashtra but the govt has slept for two years and when media get whiffs of it they get to act. Is it sponsored or natural we do not know but the timing of expose is not good.It can be put out one year before or it may be put in print after the game is over.But the main thrust is that these exposes are sponsored by interested media and parties who want that the CWG wouldn’t be held or the congress party would eb blamed .Whatever be the reasons of exposes it is shameful that we have no strong laws to prevent corruptions. We know that scam tainted people would not be touched..They are untouchables. Nothing would happen to these corrupt who had amassed huge money from CWG.The CBI,IB,CBDT may investigate the cases but after the game is over all will forget it and they would be richer by billions. We have know that corruption is the mother of all ills in India. But we do not dare to clamp is hands. We have no such law that can put a fear among them so that they dare not do such corruption. Recently our hon’ble supreme court had given a judgment that the corrupts has no right to remain in service and they needed to be dismissed from govt jobs.If our SC has said it ,it is the duty of the govt to enact strong law for awarding exemplary punishment like life imprisonment or hanging for the corrupts including total confiscation of ill gotten property and cash to govt.That would make India a nation of character and all the corruption would be minimized. Quantum of corruption should be judged by the punishment.
We know that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But why for the leaders of Congress is behaving arrogantly. They appear that they are not only arrogant but also egoistic. They have a notion that India is not a democracy and India is their father’s property a zagir, which no one can snatch. They have achieved what they want by their criminal minded policy to divide the Hindus by castes, creed,race and appeased Muslims and xitians.They have played vote bank politics always. As they were in power longer than they deserved many of their workers and cadres are infiltrated by goonda and anti social elements. NOW The party is one party of goonda elements in many states they ruled who collects hafta, protection money and rangdari tax/fees. It is one party which has never respected democracy. It believes in autocracy. But the people of India failed to recognize its true face. It is the most dangerous party which is not interested for well being of India.,but for its workers,cadres and leaders.Look to our defense preparedness, we are in a very sorry state by our weak defense strategy which should be aggressive in all nature as we are surrounded by two enemies i.e.pakistan and china. WE have still having all the fighters with us in which several of our young pilots are killed .We have no tanks and armored vehicles to go to borders of war zone. We have no surveillance equipments. We have no such large nbombs on equal to Pakistan. If Pakistan have 90/100 n.bombs ,we have only 60/70.Last year one of our scientist in atomic energy dep’t had called the bluff by the govt and showed to us that how weak we are in our atomic bombs stockpiles. All this is done by Indian national Congress and we all are responsible to the weak India.We have seen the language of Manish tiwari,Digvijay Singh etc who are shouting unabashedly.
in Gujarat after the Godhra train burning incident the riot took place and about 900 odd Muslims and 200 odd Hindus were killed. Since then Congress (Christian party) has made it a holy war on Hindus of Gujarat to attack all of them. Muslim calls it as Jihad and Christians call it as their holy war. As Congress chief is a Christian Roman catholic she is spearheading the war as its C.O.A.S. The war is between Hindus and infidels of Christianity and Islam. Congress has engaged many NGO’s to harass the CM and his ministers. Although congress has lost two elections after the riot but it is relentlessly waging war on CM and his ministers with the engagement of some communalists NGO’s,Advocates,Jehadis,CBI and central forces. It is to be noted that India had suffered in past as our history shows, by betrayal by Hindus who are boot lickers of Christians and Muslims. We are inviting our peril by supporting such forces who are going tos ell the country to USA.By proclamation of Hindus as liberals and patient congress is harping on the theme to bribe them to betray their own clan. I doubt what the genes of our leaders who are betraying their own clan.I am not defending anybody for any crime he or she might have committed as there is God to punish him or her.But the Govts shouldn’t go for selective leakage of news or planting false hoods in the media only to tarnish any one or party. It would do more arm to him as the people are not idiots and novice. The media may be playing into their hands now but they would turn like chameleons if the opposition come to power next. It is needless to say that congress ah s no absolute majority of 272 seats in LS but it is dependent on parties like DMK,NCP,TMC who are extracting its pounds of flesh every time a calamity strikes.In the developing nations no such politicking goes as their parties are more or less inter-dependent on national matters and priorities.
In USA the two parties like democrats and republicans never accuse their leaders in open. If any person does any crime he is being tried under law and no witch hunt takes place in that country. Likewise in all the European countries all the politicking is transparent and equal. So why congress govt is doing all these witch hunting? It would lead to *** for tat policy by next govt, when BJP or NDA would come to power in centre in 2014.
If congress believes that Sohrabuddin and IshratJahan are innocent then it should raise the issue in Gujarat election and condemn the BJP and its ministers but by witch hunting through massive mobilization of NGO’s, Advocates and CBI it cannot change the hearts of people. It would lose all these sympathy of people of India, how cruel and strong its actions may be against the Gujarat CM and his ministers, it would backfire on him. In the last 10 years the centre and UPA govt may have seen that no other state is as peaceful as Gujarat. It is its heartburn seeing the developmental works in Gujarat and also the peace & tranquility prevailing in that state. It has pushed hard all the machineries of central govt against the Gujarat Govt, CM and his ministers and trying hard to implicate them in false and concocted cases. Will it answer? If the same terrorist groups who were in Ahmadabad in a Indica car in which Ishrat Jahan and Pillai were traveling with two LET jihadist to kill modi and would have killed him and his ministers, will the UPA govt would have revived their life? So it is evident that the congress govt is hand in gloves with all the terrorists in India to liquidate the Hindus leaders and savior of Hindus. It is a conspiracy by the Muslim and Christian govt which all of us should understand and wake up.
This govt is working with a sinister design to make India a slave of USA and any day we would see that we are a colony of USA and our freedom in chains and democracy has been like it is in Pakistan. All those who were killed in Gujarat by its police are anti nationals and they were liquidated by the patriotic govt of Gujarat and saved many Indians from Bomb blast and attacks. If the UPA’s Central Govt has any proof that Mr. Sohrabuddin is not a criminal but an diligent citizen it should come forward with the evidence. Witch hunt of innocents or govt machinery are bad and reactive. It should know that every proactive action has a hardest reaction. Congress party of India behaves like a party of self styled leaders. It has chief who is ruling in dictatorial and ancestral style. The party is of sycophants and bootlickers. Whosoever he may be if any person did not fall in line with the chief he is not accepted anywhere. First it was Motilal Nehru, Jawaharlal Motilal Nehru, Indira Nehru Gandhi, Rajiv Nehru Gandhi, Sonia Rajiv Gandhi ,Rahul Rajiv Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi Vadra are descending and ruling congress. This party is working in a dictatorial and autocratic manner and conspiring with the support of huge money power it is trying to demolish all the opposition. Due to the policy of creating all the bottleneck and impediments in the ranks and fields of opposition parties it has demolished them. It is using all its weapon available to finish off its opposition and succeeded like SAMA,DANA,DANDA, & BHEDA.It is abusing the CBI for its nefarious activities.

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@Vijay Kumar

You are not willing to understand what I am saying to you. And If you dont want to understand then this is not my fault. And which ideology is better or not, for that matter, I will answer as a Muslim not as a Pakistani. And as a muslim, I reject both ideologies as I stated clearly before.

And here again, you have started telling lies. “PM & President of Pak are begging for Aid and Hindus, Christians, Jes, buddhist are giving Aid”. How come. First, give me a reliable source for begging and then give me another reliable source that shows Hindus, christians, Budhist, Jews (yes, all of them beacuse you have mentioned all of them) has given aid to Pak in the name of Flood.

35% of World’s poor live in your country which is called India and some of your states are even below sub sahara African states in Hunger Index but you talk about Pak’s begging and look at condition of your minorities. 3/4 of your country live less than 2$ in a day. Leave them.

Just give me reliable source that shows Hindus, Budhist, Jews, Christians has given aid to Pak in the name of flood in the past week. You have to include all of the religons.

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and also this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZoYC9YPkSw&feature=related

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Rajiv you are like a reincarnated monkey who makes his own facts and then expects others to accept them. Yes other monkeys like Rajeev, Paritosh, Patels and Singh might agree to it but rest us don’t give reincarnated rats ***.

Read and look in the mirror….Cut and Paste Facts for you monkeys

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Sikhs for Justice, a human rights advocacy group which is striving to get justice to the victims of 1984 Sikh Genocide challenged the PM Singh’s claim that “there are visible weaknesses in Indian judicial system”.Gurpatwant S Pannun, Legal Advisor Sikhs For Justice stated that Indian judiciary’s inability is selective and it only fails to deliver justice in cases involving massacre of minorities.According to attorney Pannun, when it comes to prosecute the killers of minorities like Christian massacre of 2008, Muslim massacre of 1992 & 2002, and Sikhs massacre of 1984, the Indian government uses the lame excuse of weakness in judicial system.This becomes clear when the prosecution of minorities’ massacre is compared with other serious cases such as killing of Indira Gandhi, Indian Parliament attack of 1999 or Mumbai Massacre of 2008. In all these cases, the same so called weak judicial system of India delivered justice in matter of few years.According to the attorney Pannun, the real reason is not the inability of judicial system but the unwillingness of Indian political establishment to prosecute the killers of minorities and impunity given to the killers because they are members of one or the other political party.PM Singh’s also announced that his government will compensate the victims of November 1984 and therefore they should not look back move forward. Responding to this, attorney Pannun stated that PM Singh has become devil’s advocate because its exactly the statements like this that promote the culture of impunity, that encourages and ensures the criminals that if they attack weak and minority community they will not face justice and its discourages the victims from ever seeking justice and instead be content with “compensation”. Quoting Saint Augustine’s saying “charity is no substitute for justice withheld”, attorney Pannun further stated that PM Singh’s suggestion to victims “take compensation and forget about justice” is also immoral and against teachings of all religions.According to Attorney if PM Singh has any heart for the victims of November 1984, he could still take action as head of Indian Government that would facilitate justice. According to attorney Pannun, the following demands of the Sikhs are within PM Singh’s power and do not need any judicial action and if serious to his words, PM Singh could:• Recognize November 1984 massacre of Sikhs as “genocide” of Sikhs as per article 2 of UN convention on genocide-1948 which is binding on India through its signature and ratification.• Set up a commission to conduct a nation-wide inquiry to determine the exact number of Sikhs killed all over India in November 1984 and to investigate the organized campaign for the killing of Sikhs in November 1984.• Allow international human rights groups to enter and work in Punjab. This will ensure transparency and will cement India’s reputation around the world as a human rights respecting country.• Set up a commission to investigate and recommend prosecution of security personnel involved in decade long killing of Sikhs and human rights abuses in Punjab.• Present a constitutional amendment before the parliament of India to recognize Sikhism as a separate religion.Ludhiana (June 29, 2010): As per a newsletter sent by Sikhs for Justice, this human rights advocacy group which is striving to get justice to the victims of 1984 Sikh Genocide challenged the PM Singh’s claim that “there are visible weaknesses in Indian judicial system”.

Gurpatwant S Pannun, Legal Advisor Sikhs For Justice stated that Indian judiciary’s inability is selective and it only fails to deliver justice in cases involving massacre of minorities.

According to attorney Pannun, when it comes to prosecute the killers of minorities like Christian massacre of 2008, Muslim massacre of 1992 & 2002, and Sikhs massacre of 1984, the Indian government uses the lame excuse of weakness in judicial system.

This becomes clear when the prosecution of minorities’ massacre is compared with other serious cases such as killing of Indira Gandhi, Indian Parliament attack of 1999 or Mumbai Massacre of 2008. In all these cases, the same so called weak judicial system of India delivered justice in matter of few years.

According to the attorney Pannun, the real reason is not the inability of judicial system but the unwillingness of Indian political establishment to prosecute the killers of minorities and impunity given to the killers because they are members of one or the other political party.

PM Singh’s also announced that his government will compensate the victims of November 1984 and therefore they should not look back move forward. Responding to this, attorney Pannun stated that PM Singh has become devil’s advocate because its exactly the statements like this that promote the culture of impunity, that encourages and ensures the criminals that if they attack weak and minority community they will not face justice and its discourages the victims from ever seeking justice and instead be content with “compensation”. Quoting Saint Augustine’s saying “charity is no substitute for justice withheld”, attorney Pannun further stated that PM Singh’s suggestion to victims “take compensation and forget about justice” is also immoral and against teachings of all religions.

According to Attorney if PM Singh has any heart for the victims of November 1984, he could still take action as head of Indian Government that would facilitate justice. According to attorney Pannun, the following demands of the Sikhs are within PM Singh’s power and do not need any judicial action and if serious to his words, PM Singh could:

• Recognize November 1984 massacre of Sikhs as “genocide” of Sikhs as per article 2 of UN convention on genocide-1948 which is binding on India through its signature and ratification.

• Set up a commission to conduct a nation-wide inquiry to determine the exact number of Sikhs killed all over India in November 1984 and to investigate the organized campaign for the killing of Sikhs in November 1984.

• Allow international human rights groups to enter and work in Punjab. This will ensure transparency and will cement India’s reputation around the world as a human rights respecting country.

• Set up a commission to investigate and recommend prosecution of security personnel involved in decade long killing of Sikhs and human rights abuses in Punjab.

• Present a constitutional amendment before the parliament of India to recognize Sikhism as a separate religion.

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@at all criminal Pakistanis

1st have a Hindu/Sikh or even and Ahmedi or Parsi PM or President of Pakistan, before you talk about minorities in India or anywhere else in the world!!!

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@Sal

Read this very carefully. This is the truth….

1) Pakistan is begging the USA for AId. THe US has Hindus and Jews as its highest taxpayers. And Christians are there in a majority. YOu should be ashamed that you are beggin to a nation you consider infidel and from begging for money from religions you want to destroy.

2) Islamic terrorist Paksitan is begging the UK for aid. Here too Hindus are among the highest taxpayers and the majority is CHristian. Aren’nt you ashamed that as soon as the drowning Pakistani gets money from the UK he will immediately train terrorists and rabies infected Jihadis to bomb London?

3) India is a donor to multilateral agencies like IMF, ADB etc, where Pakistan is a begger. Part of the aid you get is from Indian Hindus, sikhs, Muslims, jews and Christians. But as you get your alms you will train suicide bombers, murderers, terrorists, heroin smugglers to attack India. You should be ashamed. Is that what your religion teaches you?

The joke of a cuntry called Pakistan is also blackmailing the world that if you dont give us money, we will take it from our islamic charities and then from a 77% jihad supporting cuntry, Pakistan will become a 88% rabid jihadi exporting country….

Sal, you should aspire to change your blighted cuntry. Rather than keep saying Indian India India…

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@Paritosh

Its unfair and unjust and seves no good purpose to use phrases like “misdeeds of Muslims in post-independence India”.

That kind of phrases, are common place in Pakistan against other communities. We should not be using a generic brush or label all people of any community as good or bad.

Its indefensible.

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@Vijay Kumar

Yes..the history that goes against you is a fake history and I know it.

India..third largest economy…Yes it will become in future due to its over 1.20 billion population but I bet you India will still be world’s largest country of poors on the planet at that time too.

I can give you many statistics that shows clearly there are more % of poors in India than in Pak with references. But this I will not….

Leave India and Pak… You told me that you are project engineer. So Please behave like mature person who talks with some sense. This will benefits you in future.

Bye

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Paktistan in need and begging , surprisingly USA, UK and Western world are thelargest donors., even as opinion polls show Pakistanis hate US the most !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is China ? Where is Saudi ?

Are Saudis, Iranis not Pakistan’s friends anymore?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20108\13\story_13-8-2010_pg7_24
By Muhammad Akram

LAHORE: Except Kuwait, Turkey and the UAE, Pakistan has failed to receive any aid for its flood victims from any other Islamic country. The three countries have offered $5 million, $269,183 and $20,027 respectively, so far. While China with $1,479,290 and Sri Lanka with $26,667 are the only neighbouring countries that have come to the country’s aid.

According to statistics, the countries most hated by Pakistanis – as per various opinion polls – the US and UK are the two major contributors so far, while the list of remaining donors does not include any Islamic country, however, prominent donors include Germany, France, Greece, Czech Republic, Sweden and Australia. According to the information available, the total amount pledged to Pakistan so far is $84,294,357, much lower than what the UN has sought in its various appeals to the international community.

The UN has launched an appeal for more than $450 million to help those affected. At least 1,600 people have died and many more are missing. This has happened at a time when Pakistan has issued new flood warnings that could last into the weekend as government and relief agencies scramble to confront the toll from a growing into a humanitarian disaster. The UN says, “Floods have decimated Pakistan: the number of people suffering could exceed 13 million – more than the combined total of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, the 2005 Kashmir earthquake and the 2010 Haiti earthquake.”

The people of Pakistan, particularly flood victims, want to know what has happened to the rulers and people of Iran and Saudi Arabia, which have not expressed any intent, let alone offering anything in aid to their Pakistani brothers and sisters. The aid to Pakistan would not be for its rulers, if there existed any misgivings, but for the people who have yet to find means to survive, as a new flood of an almost equal intensity is about to hit various districts of Sindh and Punjab this weekend.

As far as neighbours such as India and Afghanistan are concerned, Pakistan can least expect from both, since none of the two had offered anything so far. As for India, which offered $500 million in aid during the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, the offer was refused by Pakistani authorities in the first place and whatever was allowed in was let to rot at security checkposts on the border.

Pakistan has always looked to Saudi Arabia whenever it faced a difficulty. According to diplomatic sources, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not enjoying the best of ties since the PPP government assumed power, replacing the quasi-military government of Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf, with whom the Saudi rulers had the best of relations like they had with every military ruler in Pakistan. The FO had always played down the souring ties with Saudi Arabia, said a source in the office.

However, international relations experts say a lukewarm response from Saudi Arabia and Iran is difficult to understand, as it is not the government but the people of Pakistan who are suffering and awaiting aid from both the countries.

It is important to mention here the appeal made by Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Chairman Mufti Munibur Rehman on the eve of the Ramazan moon-sighting, to the Pakistanis intending to perform Haj and Umra this year to cancel their plans and spend the money for the flood-hit people instead. Taking a hint from the appeal, the government would be justified in banning Haj by Pakistanis this year as done by Tunisia last year due to fears of swine flu.

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I really liked your blog! It helped me alot…

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