Kayani’s extension is Zardari’s insurance

Pakistan should be ignored, treat it like any other country. If we are to spend “energy” on any country, let us spend it on countries with whomw e can develop positive bilateral relations – South korea, US, Russia, and even China.

We have learned about Paksitani double crossing since 1947. So, why spend energy on it? People like Vinod may have a soft corner because of .obvious reasons like parents birthplace etc. But as KumKUm suggested, let us leave nostalgia behind; accept that it is a different (and violent) country, Build our security forces, have intelleigence gathering capability, and be willing to strike if we have to. Hands of friendshipa nd reconciliation have been extended so many times. Let us wait until the mafia country stabilizes, there i rule of law, democracy, and responsble civilian govt.

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I have seriously doubt that Kyani’s extension will ensure zardari to remain in president house till 2013. Zardai is unpopular in Pak and he has already done a lot of mistakes and people dont tust Zardai at all. Democracy is a good thing but what would be the use of that democracy when the corrupt politicans get elected to rule.

As far as Kyani is concerned, he is a good general. He came from very poor background and is a son of junior officer who had a rank of Subedar in army. Kiyani has done successful operations in North West of Pak and Kiyani’s term had to be extended just like extension of Admiral Mike Muleen for war on terror.

As far as Afganistan is concerned, Nato and US has no other option and they have to trust to Pak. US and especially Nato wants to leave Afganistan ASAP. If they dont agree with Pak, they will fail and they know that. There should be same kind of arrangement between Taliban who belongs to Pashtuns and Karzai’s govt. And Pak is the only one who can faciliate this.

And finally for India, one has to understand no Govt in Pak can ignore Kashmir. It would be foolish to think, it is only Pak Military who talks on Kashmir. No Govt either military or civilian can ignore Kashmir in Pak.

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Today US papers are full of details leaked by Wiki Leaks, of Pak army and ISI direct complicity of terrorism against US troops in Afganistan and against India and Afganistan.

Wiki leaks reports that Pak army runs a jobs program , under which Afghan Taleban is paid 10-30k dollars for every Indian worker killed in Afganistan.

There is a storm brewing in US media against Pak duplicity of receiving money from US and then helping Haqini faction of Taleban against US troops.

Yet to be seen how it impacts Kayani.

As more leaks come out and public is better informed, India will find it hard to talk to Pak regime and bestow any legitimacy to it.

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Vinod,
All this is not at all looking good. Actually, it looks terrible. Here is the thing. U.S. appears to be in the process of outsourcing its “war on terror” to Pakistani military. India appears un-comfortable with this arrangement – perhaps due to Pakistani Armed establishment’s growing clout. My instincts tell me – given the very very troublesome and immature masquerading of relationships between the ruling classes across the border (something that they have been successful so far in portraying as relationship between the two countries) – this is going to unfold rather nastily in our part of Asia. Times like these make even an atheist like me feel like praying against “Black Swan” events between the two countries.
BTW, do we realize the irony ? Actually it might be the mutual knowledge about each other’s Nukes that may eventually hold us back from the threshold levels of militarist adventurism. Not advocating the Nukes, just pointing out the irony.
And finally, what do we do with the Climate change ? Are the adventurists from both sides of border equipped and prepared to handle the real challenge ? When was the last we discussed water sharing rationally ?
Cheers,
- Mahesh.

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Here is a link to the report in NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26isi.html?ref=global-home

Publicly, US government is trying to under play the reports by saying that while true, they reflect conditions in 2009 and before. Public opinion is demanding action against Pak duplicity.

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Good analysis – covered depth. Was expecting this piece to appear next. The surprise mid night extension caught the full head lines of the newspapers as if to say ‘daal meyn kuch kala hai’ (something fishy). PM made this clear that this is mutual consent of both him and the president but large masses have doubts as if this is upon free will and keeping in view the results of success of the general. More so serious doubts are there why at the eleventh hour. The question is – had that not been an extension what could have happened? But the argument of his success cannot be let go as general is regarded as one of the finest and had so far influenced his repute (may be military might also) on the political head and even in offices of Washington. Although, spokesperson denied this today making this as internal and private concern of the country.

Surprisingly, as far as military head is in kahkis it is believed peace with india is fragile and next to impossible. Makes me wonder Musharaff’s role when he sat on presidential seat with complete command of two offices and witnessed good relations with India in the middle of his term. Both Musharaff and Manmohan were quite close to bringing a peaceful resolution to Kashmir issue. For India nothing new or no change with Kiyani’s extension.

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Some things never change.

Not long ago, Musharraf ( before him Ayub, Zia etc ) , was looked upon by some Pakistanis as there latest prophet or messiah !

Well, we all know how each of those ended.

Ofcourse, Pak military regimes are as corrupt and venal as the civil set-ups, if not even more.

Only difference is that while civil set-ups are held accountable to some extent when the opposition comes to power, no such accountability can ever be done upon Pak military regimes, which have milked Pak resources , internally as well as external aid.

Anyway, only thing thats certain is that Kayani too will end as a villian and a sordid character, thrown in the dustbin of Pak history, like Yayha Khan, Zia and Musharraf.

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“The General’s a Punjabi unlike Pervez Musharraf who was always conscious of his Mohajir roots…” The writer is silly ignorant. Musharraf is not a Punjabi. First of all, it does not really matter in Pak Army if the chief is from where. Musharraf had a free hand as COAS in doing all silly things in Pakistan that he did. The dsciplined Pak Army was simply obeying his orders. As soon as a new COAS came, things changed dispite the fact Musharraf was then President and actually upset with new COAS. Army stands in unity. There are many Punjabi mohajirs in Pakistan (especially in Punjab). Why is the writer then giving an impression that Musharraf was a Punjabi?

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Pak hero, Kayani ki Kartutain

From Dawn..

http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/separated-at-birth/2010/07/26/kayanis-extension-is-zardaris-insurance/#respond

In one report from March 2008, the ISI is alleged to have ordered Siraj Haqqani, a prominent militant based in northwestern Pakistan, to kill workers from archenemy India who are building roads in Afghanistan. In another from March 2007, the ISI is alleged to have given Jalaluddin Haqqani, Siraj’s father, 1,000 motorcycles to carry out suicide attacks in Afghanistan.

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Last five year’s afghan war records were leaked in US (Wikilinks) .. No wonder, several reports about Pakistani ISI openly working with Taliban to kill NATO/US soldiers. On one side, they collecft money from US, on another side, they kill US military men. Only Pakistan will do this!

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Clive will decide …should it be Mir Jaffer or Mir kassim…..The pattern will not change in the foreseeable future.

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Slowly Mr VS is coming around to what some of us have been saying for a long time.India’sresponse to Pakistan is not to be shaped by our pre-determined ideological positions but by the ground realities of the situation in Pakistan. It is time the Dreamers in India step back a little. The present circumstances in Pakistan do give any real indication that it is willing to look at any fundamental shift in its position vis -a vis India. The powers that be , which in other words means the Pakistani Army , is first anf formost interested in consolidating and securing its position in the power structure , in an unstable politiy, and which substantially rests on animosity with India.

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Much will depend post US exit from Afhn, e.g billions will stop flowing and haqqanis and others may not listen to kayani anymore. Much greater problem is within Pak, – unemployemnt, feudal system, poverty, education, weak instituions etc etc which Khaki can not handle. Kayani ( ex ISI- 2004- 07 wikileak fame) along with khakis is not going to let India and Pak come on the same page. Also Vinod is wrong to suggest that gillani consulted zardari, – he was given a piece of paper by Kayani to read it out in a less then 5 minute telecast. The danger is not over yet for Gillani. however a coup is imminent . I am surprised in a country how of all , the legal minster himself is sitting with a fake degree along with 80% fakes in parliament, clearly these MPs stand disquallified and a call for fresh elections will be the order of the day, Kayani having sensed this ordered for his extension. With a call for division of Pak on pashtun lines and an uprising by the people of pakistan. India better brace up for a a refugee flow from Pak – some time in future.

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“…. Mutual trust will be the casualty if Pakistan does not move to book and get punished the conspirators of the Mumbai attacks…”

Nice to know that Vinodji wrote this.

And this has to be the essence of the Indo-Pak engagement. Without this, talks have no meaning. They just end up being a kabab party for retired diplomats.

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@Vijay Kumar

I normally dont reply you. But I want to add some information on Jinnah’s education. I know it will not change you.

Jinnah became Barrister at the age of 19 after studying 3 years of Law in Lincolns Inn in England. Jinnah was the first youngest Barrister of South Asia who beacme Barrister at the age of just 19.
He was also the youngest one to be called to the Bar in England at the age of 19.

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Pak President, Zardari, compares Jinnah to fake degree holders.

http://www.desitwist.com/blogs/endurer/34-asif-zardari-compares-jinnah-fake-degree-holders.html

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How does the so called ‘forced extension of Kayani” help india, Afghanistan – no matter how painful it may read the best alternative is courtsey US,/ Isreal to move UN to disintigerate Pak on the lines of NWFP, Baluchistan, Sind, Karachi, FATA – local leaders are demanding this and is going to happen anyway once US leaves Afgn. This political model has been suggested by Blackwill also and is the only viable option that lets US getaway with the Pak nulcear weapons of mass destruction, Hurriyat to shut up in Kashmir- India, free, peaceful Afghanistan and above all a much relaxed, managable and propsperous Pak with an option to join us anytime in future, — with full autonomy ofcourse. A win win situation for all.
Pattey de gal Kitey na ?

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@Vijay Kumar

Jinnah had done Bar Et Law from Lincoln’s Inn in England at the age of 19. Now Bar et Law is not a degree but considered equivalent to Master’s degree. Zardari has refered that Jinnah didnt had a degree because he posses a Bar Et Law which is not a degree. But this is the lack of General information of Zardari that he didnt know the Bar Et Law is considered equivalent to Master degree.

http://quazen.com/reference/biography/muhammad-ali-jinnah/
(For Jinnah’s Education)

If you google Jinnah’s education then you will find of tons of material abt it and all of them mention that Jinnah was the younget barister of his time who was called to bar in england at the age of 19. He was also the youngest barister of South Asia who got degree of Bar Et Law at the age of 19 .

Akbar S. Ahmed 1997. Jinnah, Pakistan and Islamic Identity: The Search for Saladin. London: Routledge. 320 pages. ISBN 0415149665. page 3.

Here I am giving you another reference. You can find dozens of others stating that He was youngest Barister of south Asia.

If you still want to argue with me for just the sake of argument, then this is another thing.

Zardari and his party had made fun of him by his remarks. Why..I explained you earlier very well.

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We should not be surprised at the extension given to Pak army chief by the civilian government
of Pakistan as it is not a free agent. The extension has confirmed the fact once again that the
army in Pakistan forms part of the Troika that rules the country and that its Chief enjoys equal
status with the President, Prime Minister of that country. As far as India is concerned, it is the army
which sets the agenda for Pak relations with India. The latest revelations appearing in the Press
confirm what is known to the Indians since long , the duplicity and complicity of Pak in fomenting
trouble against India even in Afghanistan. It was ex-Pak President who had given solemn undere-
taking to the Indian Prime Minister that Pakistan would not allow its soil to be used against anti-
Indian terrorist activities. But that was for the world consumption which is now convinced of Pak
army training and arming terrorists to the teeth and then to help them infiltrate into India and
do the destructive work assigned to them. India needs to be on watch.

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@Dr Anand,

As a doctor you have diagnosed it correctly! Psychiatirc treatment is the right word! If you know of some good psychiatrists, let us recommend Mani to them.

Some days back, after the ndo-Pak talks fiasco, Mani AIyar was looking down on us Indians and implying that he would have handled the talks better; he made fun of KC Singh and Kanwal Sibal and then proudly added that he knew Shah Qureshi as a friend.

It would be very dangerous for us Indians to get Mani Aiyar involved in the Indo-Pak sphere, where he has been a consistent failure. As India’s counsel general to Pakistan he could never sense and guess the game of ISI to promote terror in India. And would have probably kept muttering “Jolly Good… very good… fellow Stephanian Zia-ul-Haq, big moustache, Jolly good…” all the time.

Don Quixote would have been proud of such a successor, who has such an exaggerated sense of self importance!

Long live Mani and Don Quixote !! !!

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Dear Vinod Sharma ji
The extension granted to Gen. Kyani as COAS should be a non-issue for us under a normal situation. But his continuing to be on this position also affects us to a great extent. So your blog on tthis subject was very timely, especially when it comes so soon after the failed Indo-Pak talks in Islamabad. It has been widely reported in the media that Gen. Kyani was mainly responsible for the failed talks after the Pakistan leaders were reprimanded by him for doing any peace with India after Mr. Pilla’s famous statement.

It is a fact that Gen. Kyani was heading ISI before he became COAS. Our country had always doubt and been complaining about the dubious role of ISI in creating trouble in India. Well, that was proved correct first from the statementy of David Headley about the collaboration of ISI with LeT for Mumbai carnage and then the subsequent leaks. Now the leaked stories from Wikilinks has further confirmed the double role of ISI for collaborating on one hand with the Afghan Talibans for targetting US and NATO soldiers and on the other hand for collaborating the allied forces for elimiating unhelpful Talibans.. So his being COAS and having the continuing influence in ISI makes him the centre stage figure as for as the terrorist problems in the subcontinent are concerned. It is diffcult to imagine how the Pakistan govt. would have survived if it had not granted extension of three years to him. He will now continue even after the constitutional terms of Mr. Zardari and Mr. Gilani. For our country, he will still be able to involve ISI for any future terrrists attack in the country.

So granting him extension not only gives a semblence of continuity of war in Afghanistan vis-a-vis Taliban and NATO forces on one hand , but also for planning any future terrorist attacks in our country.
Regards
BNA

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Vinodji,

I hope you appreciate that the whole “late-lateef ” thing happened in a large part due to Mani. Right till two years back, he opposed everyting and only once MS Gill tookover did things start happening smoothly.

In case we had had a more efficient and committed sports Minister, right from the day we chose to hold the games, we would have been better organised. And better quality infrastructure would have been built. Somehow in our country, spoilers want to hog the headlines and want us to fail, saying that “we are poor… we are poor… we are poor so we should fail…”

The amount spent has gone as salaries to workers, to engineers and to maufacturing industry. Some kickbacks may have happened but let that not detract from the engineering marvel which is happening in Delhi and which would inspire other cities to follow.

As far as Charan SIngh goes, I have full right to disagree. He was a rural leader, which I respect, but largely restricted to western UP. For three years he kept fighting with Morarji Desai, just become the PM, letting governance suffer.

And when he did, he did so with the help of Indira Gandhi, who first made him break the Janata party and then pulled the rug under his ambitions.

He wanted to ban heavy industry. (Which he did indirectly by putting on heavy taxes on industrial units) and had a vision of having khadi based industries all over.

He actively promoted caste– especially Jats and alienated southern India by trying to impose Hindi.

The India shining of today– Infosys, Wipro, TCS, Indica, Maruti etc would have never happened with his vision.

Is this all wrong?

As an twelve year old I read all this in your newspaper….

Surprising you are using him to bolster Mani’s cause, since Charan Singh hated the Nehru legacy while Mani Aiyar wants to be identified with Nehru family in all ways….

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@Vinod Sharma

Now you have taken me to my KG years, when I did not read the newspapers and was reading cat- bat-rat …!

As far as the boycott of Asiad by George Fernandes goes, it was indeed sad, but predictable since he too was in the socialist mold and had to reject whatever was deemed to be elitist.

But by the way sports is not elitist. This is the ground where you rub shoulders, irrespective of color, caste or financial background; where friendships are founded and where we see a Dhoni be the closest friend of Irfan Pathan and yet keep him out of the team on basis of form.

Where even a Aryan suprmecy promoting Hitler had to clap for a black athlete winning the 100 mtr gold.

Wish our so called political masters who oppose sports as a frivolous activity can see beyond their own hackneyed visions. And see it as a productive social and financial activity.

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Our caste system would collapse and the differences between religions will get wiped out, if as a next step, our sports Minister, gets sports to each and every village and makes the winners use these newly build stadia….

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Oh Sal,

mere pyaare bandhu!

Ab tumhara Uncle… uncle Sam jo roz tumhe roti ke tukde phaenk kar palta hai… tumhare tukde tukde karna chahata hai !!:)

Thum kis tukde mein jeena chahte ho? The republic of Baluchistan … or the Double Islamic republic of Pakhtoonistan. ( Double, because here Islamic laws will be implemented with double zeal.

Baita, you guys can still learn. Learn from us what humanity is. How to respect minorites and promote democracy. But you won’t.

You will just say “India… India… India…”

Till the jehadis get you . Pr Uncle Sam dismembers you !

Khuda hafiz…

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@Rajeev

Really funny to hear the Baluchi slogan…

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To the Idiotic question

“What has stopped India from doing that”

The answer is nothing !!

India has not yet divided Kashmir because it has so far not wanted to. The matter is getting debated and when the people of India, through there democratically elected government, decide that Kashmir should be divided , it will be divided. Ther is no law, no treaty , no power that can stop it if India so wanted.
Got it !

As an example, Just as Pakistan divided Pok and created Baltistan when it so wanted.

Regarding your other idiotic statement about Kashmiris, Just as Bengal, Punjab, Bihar etc belongs to all of India similarly Kashmir belongs to all of India and all of India belongs to Kashmiris of every religion.
What certain section of Kashmiris think pales in significance to what all of India thinks.
Even an idiot like you, should be able to understand that . India is great that’s exactly the reason why it will never accept the demands of a religiously motivated, criminally instigated section of a populace of any state !!!

Now the Friendly advise part :

Pakistan and Pakistanis like you , have been shouting Kashmir, Kashmir for last 60 years, frothing in there mouth and making an ugly spectacle of themselves .

What do you have to show for it ?

1/2 of Pakistan lost .
Today Pak interior minister said the situation in Baluchistan is getting like in East Pakistan
I am not even talking about Waziristans etc yet !!

Mind your own business.

Look at India.

Its bigger than it was in 1947-48.
We Got most of Jammu and Kashmir.
We got Sikkim.
We got Siachen and Kargil too !

Now go back to begging , shouting Kashmir, Kashmir and counting India’s poor.

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Rajiv,
The day is not far when Indian and US Army will free Balochis and Sindhis from the clutches of Paindoos.
We will repeat 1971 again.

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@Rajiv

You are the one who talks nonsense and most of the times I felt pity on you.

“India has not yet divided Kashmir because it has so far not wanted to.”

Wrong…Absolutely wrong…India didn’t do this because India doesn’t have the will and courage to do this. All Kashmiris will be on streets the day you try to do this. Had India had the courage, India would have done this a long time ago. And this is why you have not done this so far.

“As an example, Just as Pakistan divided Pok and created Baltistan when it so wanted.”

Did Pak make Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan a part of Pak officially? No. Pak didn’t make Pak Kashmir a part of Pakistan officially. Pak controls these land but these are two separate entities outside Pak according to Pak constitution. Then how could you relate your Indian held Kashmir with Pak Kashmir.

And Second, people of Pak Kashmir have no problem with Pak unlike Kashmiris in Indian held Kashmiris who don’t want to live with India from last 63 years and many of your countrymen acknowledge this damn reality. So don’t try to make fun of you. I have already enough of you.

“Just as Bengal, Punjab, Bihar etc belongs to all of India similarly Kashmir belongs to all of India and all of India belongs to Kashmiris of every religion.”

What a moron are you…Has Nehro went UN in 1949 and gave a proposal of plebescite in Bengal, Punjab and Bihar? Has a big part of a Punjab, Bihar or Bengal is under Pak custody.? Has the majority of Punjab, Bengal or Bihar is muslims? Is there a pending UN resolutions on Punjab, Bihar or Bengal? Are there people of Behar, Punjab or Bengal come on street and ask for Independence. Is there independence movement going on in Punjab, Bihar or Bengal.?

You people know very well that Kashmiris don’t want to love with India and this is the why India didn’t held a plebescite because you know what would be the result of that plebescite. Put this into your tiny head.

“1/2 of Pakistan lost “

This shows how low IQ you have. Is any part of India separated with geography of more than 1000 km from it.? No. Bangladesh was 1000 miles away from Pak and Pak couldn’t provide logistic support to Bangladesh. That’s all about it. Why you dint take Pak Kashmir from Pak. What a moron are you…You couldn’t take your own territory (Pak Kashmir as you claim) from Pak and talk about Bangladesh. And one more thing Banladesh was 1/7 of Pak in area.

“India is bigger than it was in 1947-48.”

One more lie from you. Then what about the loss of Aksi Chin in 1962. Does Aksi Chin makes India bigger or smaller.

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@Sal

If you are not ashamed of what has happened of Pakistan,
nothing that I say will make you ashamed of it

You have no shame.

Bangladesh, Baluchistan, Kargil, numerous war losses, surrender , begging — nothing shames you.

Keep crying Kashmir, plesbicite etc like some Pakistanis have been , while the world laughs at you.

Remember : the more you cry, the more you want to get Kashmir the more you lose. Remember Kargil and Siachen.

Bye the way : Before you shed any more vile crocodile tears for the ‘ Islamic Ummah’ or Kashmiris, spare some of those crocodile tears for Baluchis and stop printing fake currencies and fake degrees etc.

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Dear Rajiv, Rajeev, Dr Anand, Sam, Paritosh and Vinodji

I have posted the mailer on trifurcating J&K on Swapan Dasgupta’ site, Vir Sanghvi’s site and on Tarun Vijay’s blog in Times of India. The response in TOI has been great.

I am posting one mailer here. Maybe you guys can take the matter and pot it to your contacts. You can change it the way you want. But the basic idea is that the ball should start rolling. I have deliberately kept this short, as we will have to keep posting new mails every week. And keep adding matter as we get more inputs.

The original mail is in color. It is not possible to post that in color and with pictures out here. If you can give me your emails accounts I can mail it you. However The subject matter goes as under…

————– TRI-FURCATING JAMMU and KASHMIR- a solution to India’s problems ———–

So many formulae have been tried in the J&K and yet nothing seems to work as finally the separatists and the Pakistanis start creating problems and violence.

Let us now, as Indians, seriously take up the proposal for tri-furcating J&K. This makes sense seeing the history and the violence which has almost killed 50,000 people.

This will strengthen the secularism of India. If we can have seperate states of Ladakh and Jammu, and Kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, things will be easily managable. The Kashmir problem which looks sizeable on the world map would immediately be reduced to the size it actually is. To a narrow strip of land, 30 km by 70 km in size.

We could then use our resources to win over the hearts and minds of the people in this strip of land. As well as create a good infrastructure for tourism and industry.

The salient features.

a) Kashmir should be divided in such a manner that the river flow to the rest of India is unhampered.

b)Terrorist violence basically happens in 2500 sq km. Once J&K is trifurcated, it would be easy for the army and the civil administration to control 2500sq km

c)A plebiscite will never happen as we are too strong to let the world force us. However in case of a hypothetical situation that it does, then India has the right of taking the vote of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir.

d) Pakistan has already integrated Baltistan as a seperate state, so we have to see what others are doing. In fact they have changed the demographic pattern of Muzzafarabad and occupied Kashmir so that Punjabis are in a majority.

e) Once kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, it will make the separatists realise that their dream of a small landlocked independent country is futile.

f) We can revoke section 370 for Jammu and Ladakh immediately after trifurcation so that patriotic Indians from all over the country can buy land and settle there.

g)Ladakh has Lakes, mountains, and calmness as well as Buddhist tourist spots. A huge potential exists. While Jammu attracts lakhs for the Vaishno Devi Yatra.
Once they shine, Kashmiris will be inpired to give up the gun and join the mainstream

h) People of Jammu and Ladakh have time and again asked for separate states or UT status. let us give it to them.

i) THere is a huge section of people in Kashmir, both Pandits and Muslims who always favoured India over Pakistan or freedom. They would always remain with us. Infact they would work with double zeal to get their brothers who have been mislead, back into the mainstream.

At the end of the day all people from the J&K region would be proud to be Indian. Currently we are holding the people of Jammu and of Leh-Ladakh hostage to the political machinations of a few outsiders.

Why should we not, as Indians, push our government to start working on this tri-furcation?

It is your duty as a proud Indian to tell your friend, your email contact, your local politician that he has to work for this.

MAIL THIS TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS AS A STARTER !

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frankly to speak on this issue , i feel that the even though trifurcation is a necessary step that we must make , its not that easy.
moreover what i feel is that we must rule Kashmir with an iron fist , jailing all the separatist leaders and banning their political parties.

as far as Porkistan , no relevance in talks at all. built up of military power and reconquering Kashmir seems much better. in order to make decisions like trifurcation and assertion of claim over Kashmir , it needs far sightedness and SPINE. we Indians lack that. let us accept.

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Vijay,
I’d like to add few ideas to your Kashmir trifurcation plan-
1. Make list of all politicians, so-called social activist, anti-india media persons and charge them for ‘Treason’ mixed with other allegation such as not respecting India’s integrity. This will keep these morons busy for years.
2. Prod Balochis for plebicite to kill plebicite demand in J&K. Force pakistan to use brutal power (as they did against Nawab Bugti few years back) and then take that as precedent and carpet bomb Kashmir Valley.
3. Create insurgency situation in Sindh future Sindhudesh to keep pakistanis occupied.
4. After we have taken care on internal and external SOBs, we can execute this trifurcation plan.

Assumption: Our govt. grows a backbone to do all this.

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Time for a laugh now…

Pyaara bandhu Sal has stated that the Pakistani army in East Pakistan in 71 was less than 50,000 so how could they kill 3 million bengalis?

Dear Fake history book student, Sal, 93,000 troops led by A A K Niazi surrendered to Gen J S Aurora.

Err.. What were the balance 43,000… Chinese or Martians ??

Ha ha ha wha wha wah!! What a country…what fake histroy books

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MY friends… Whaz happening to sending the mails???????

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Obviuosly Sal and fellow Pakistanis have been taught that Pakistanis never lost the 71 war. And most of the soldiers were social workers educating people in the villages!!!

Ha aha ah!!

Sal, your soldiers were obviously non state actors, wanting to blow themselves up to go to jannat !!

Very very funny!

By the way Sal, I have a new national anthem for pakistan

” Pakistan ka matlab kya…

Gadha (donkey), horses (godha) aur camel ka izzat loota…

Ha aha haa !! What a country!!!

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Vijay,
We should use balochis to our advantage. Whether they get freedom or not should not be our goal. They have to to that on their own, we can just provide ‘MORAL’ support.

I suggest we start a new blog solely concentrating on solving Kashmir problem in India’s favor. Using this platform (HT blog) is not ethical in my view.

Secondly I suggest we start a blog that would rate Media Shops (Dukaan) on neutrality meter. This can be done by listing news items from each dukaan and categorising each item as pro-govt, semi-pro-govt, neutral, semi-pro-opposition and pro-opposition. Take a count of all the categories and create a pie-chart. This can be done on weekly basis. This will show where our media stands. It is important that we keeps the media in check and make sure they are presenting facts and not spin on facts (as is the case currently).

Same can be done for Individual senior journalist. This way we can differentiate between true journalists and propaganda journalists.

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Question : If you get a real degree, after studying fake history , is that degree real ?

Corollary : Under such circumstances, if you get a fake degree, without studying history, is that then real ?

Go and type in google ‘Where was the worlds biggest military surrender’ ?

This is wikipedia answer
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_was_the_worlds_biggest_military_surrender

It Happened on December 16, 1971…….When Attacking PAKISTANI ARMY surrendered to the INDIAN FORCES…..

……A Total of over 90,000 Pakistani Troops surrendered and Pakistani General appealed for cease-fire to Indian

As a matter of Fact…Pakistani Forces surrendered within 14 days of their Initiation of Attack…….The proof of Pakistani Appeal for Cease-Fire is the Newspaper which reported it….The link is below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Newspaper-ceasefire.jpg

The Instrument Of Surrender was signed by then Pakistani General Niazi and accepted by Indian Lt. General Aurora. The link is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:InstrumentOfSurrender.jpg

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Now my point is not to shame the shameless. The point is India took good care of the surrenderees, pardoned 200 officers sought by Bangladesh for war crimes and even gave back 12,000 sq km of Pak territory captured in the West in west Pakistan.

India did all that as a large hearted, magnanimous party hoping it would change the character of the Pak army and state towards India.
Well we were wrong. Terribly wrong in assuming that.
Pak hasn’t learnt a lesson in all its defeats.
Hopefully India has learnt its lessons of what kindness begets from an irrational and stupid adversary.

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Dear fake brained sal.

believe me… it really was a funny sight…..

Gen yayha khan, vibrating in anger like a mixie… saying “vroom vroom …. grrrrrr…grrr.”

His garters snapped.

his pants fell down, revealing his modesty

You guys have such jokers as leaders….

Cheers!

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Dear everyone,

Let us study this man Sal’s brain but not make this blog, Sal-centric.

We need Sal, because he gives us a window into the Pakistani mind, which has been brainwashed by fake histroy and silly and evil heroes like Field Marshal Yahya, Double Field Marshal Ayub, And triple field Marshal of the Universe, Zia the cobra.

Since we have an adversary as vile, as brainwashed and a jehadi killer which exterminates all non Muslims and even Muslims who are not fanatic or Sunni, we need a thorough study of the roguish pakistani mind.

So Sal gives us that opportunity.

However we also have to strenghten our country, our democracy and secularism as well as our economy, so too much of Sal diverts our attention. So let us use him as a guinea pig.

But more importantly, let’s keep pursuing our higher ideals.

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http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2286
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PEW research poll on Pakistan..

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly..
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The Good

1. More than 70% Pakistanis support improved relations with India

77% want increased trade
76% want further talks
72% important to improve relations with India

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The Bad to average.
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53% think India is the greatest threat to Pakistan
23% think Taleban in the greatest threat to Pakistan

This is not entirely bad because , 47% have do not think or have no opinion that India is the greatest threat.

71-77% fixated on Kashmir.

The Ugly
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60 years of preaching hate by the state, couched in religious rhetoric have had its effect

85% for segregation of men and women in workplace
82% for stoning adulterers
82% for whipping or harsh punishments like cutting feet, hand
76% for death penalty for those who leave Islam

Thats stunning. UN should move to delist any religion and remove its recognition as a religion if it preaches punishment for those who leave it. Its like NAZI Germany or communist Soviet Union where deserters are put to death. Its more like a violent cult , insecure of itself.

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Dear Dr Anand,

Thank you for your interest shown in the tri-furcation process.

Let me again answer your worries and queries point by point.

Let me assure you discussing this subject will not cause any further turmoil than what is already prevalent in the valley. In fact it will probably have a beneficial effect—a section of the rabble rousers will know that if they raise the temperature further, tri-furcation will happen.

We have to basically put forward the case for tri-furcation in a diplomatic manner.

a)We first have to give the example of Pakistan, which has assimilated Baltistan as a separate state.

b) Then show the people in Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir that this will result in greater progress for all

c) Promise greater autonomy to the valley after tri-furcation

d) Let the people of the valley know that Jammu and Ladakh are hurt by the happenings n the valley and have nothing to do with the agitations sponsored by Pakistan and neither do the people who have been driven out—Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist
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2) Comparing tri-furcation of J&K with Telengana would be unfair. Here in J&K it is an outside force which is fomenting all the problem. Not so in Telengana, where there is an indigenous demand for a separate state and it has to be done only after taking all concerned into confidence. We have to in fact give the example of the North East of India, where creation of different states has led to peace.

Further on Jharkand, Uttranchal and Chattisgarh as well Punjab and Haryana are good examples of states dong better after division.

It is possible, that the current ruling dispensation has no stomach for such an action. But let me re-assure you—do not underestimate Chidambaran, Manmohan or Paranab Mukherjee. All are seasoned guys.
In opposition we have a BJP, which will surely go for it as it did for creating different states or the nuclear test.

At the end of the day, we guys on the net—THE INTERNET INDIANS   can sow the seeds so that the idea is debated in all forums. Revolutions only start with the first stone.

Let us do what we can for it !

Jai Hind Sat Sri Akal Khuda Hafiz

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Hello Mr. Vijay
No sir, I was not comparing the trifurcation of Jand K with AP. I was only stressing the point that any reorganisation of a state is always smooth if there is total consensus on the subject from all the sections of the people in a particular state. That is why the reorganisation of UP, Bihar and Panjab was a smooth affair while in AP it s not going to be as smooth because there is different perception wrt Hyderabad whenever division of Andhra takes place. Similarly Chandigarh still continues to be a point of dispute as it could not be tranferred to Panjab even after reorganisation commission had recommended. I hope I have been able to make my point clear in this respect.
I has already mentioned that trifurcation of Jand K is a great idea but then the govt. will have to negotiate this with the perople of valley promising autonomy, in the words of Narsimha Rao, to the extent that sky is the limit. I see no problem with Jammu being joined by Ladakh. Leh can be a UT.
Yes, the idea is feasible if we are able to convince the leaders in the valley. But dont you think it may start a chain reaction of demands from other parts of the country where people have been dreaming of a separate state based on language?

Anyway, a nice discussion and you are right that revolutions are always initiated with a first stone.
Regards
BNA

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Confused brain Sal,

As per your latest spin story, all the invaders came with their wives on horses…

Can u show me a single historical picture of a burka clad woman on a horse and also let me know who is writing your history books?

I want to give him the (ig)nobel prize for fiction

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@Vijay,
Its not too useful to argue with those, who consider criminals ,thugs and those who killed there own ancestors as heroes. No logic or facts is going to change that attitude.

You could explain that as a compulsion of the convert who has to prove his loyalty to its new masters.

Look at the Pakistani PEW research poll and it will tell you all you need to know about a sick, pervert society and Sal i just a specimen.

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Same **** after i come back from vacation, I must you hindus have such low inferiority complex. Sal these don’t like to discuss the topic at hand, but they go on a tangent of same shit different day.

Sal since these monkeys are so obsessed with Pakistan, Islam and the recent history, let me give the dose of their history and see whether they like it or not.

Expansion of trade and Muslim Invaders to India:

Islam’s impact was the most notable in the expansion of trade. The first contact of Muslims with India, was the Arab attack on a nest of pirates near modern-day Bombay, to safeguard their trade in the Arabian Sea. Around the same time many Arabs settled at Indian ports, giving rise to small Muslim communities. the growth of these communities was not only due to conversion, but also the fact that many Hindu kings of south India (such as those from Cholas) hired Muslims as mercenaries.[12]

A significant aspect of the Muslim period in world history was the emergence of Islamic Sharia courts capable of imposing a common commercial and legal system that extended from Morocco in the West to Mongolia in the North East and Indonesia in the South East. While southern India was already in trade with Arabs/Muslims, northern India found new opportunities. As the Hindu and Buddhist kingdoms of Asia were subjugated by Islam, and as Islam spread through Africa – it became a highly centralizing force that facilitated in the creation of a common legal system that allowed letters of credit issued in say Egypt or Tunisia to be honoured in India or Indonesia (The Sharia has laws on the transaction of Business with both Muslims and Kaffirs[citation needed]). In order to cement their rule, Muslim rulers initially promoted a system in which there was a revolving door between the clergy, the administrative nobility and the mercantile classes. The travels of explorer Muhammad Ibn-Abdullah Ibn-Batuta were eased because of this system. He served as an Imam in Delhi, as a judicial official in the Maldives, and as an envoy and trader in the Malabar. There was never a contradiction in any of his positions because each of these roles complemented the other. Islam created a compact under which political power, law and religion became fused in a manner so as to safeguard the interests of the mercantile class. This led world trade to expand to the maximum extent possible in the medieval world. Sher Shah Suri took initiatives in improvement of trade by abolishing all taxes which hindered progress of free trade. He built large networks of roads and constructed Grand Trunk Road (1540–1544), which connected Calcutta to Kabul, of which parts of it are still in use today.

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Cultural influence

The divide and rule policies, two-nation theory, and subsequent partition of India in the wake of Independence from the British Empire has polarized the sub-continental psyche, making objective assessment hard in comparison to the other settled agricultural societies of India from the North West. Muslim rule differed from these others in the level of assimilation and syncretism that occurred. They retained their identity and introduced legal and administrative systems that superseded existing systems of social conduct and ethics. While this was a source of friction it resulted in a unique experience the legacy of which is a Muslim community strongly Islamic in character while at the same time distinctive and unique among its peers.

The impact of Islam on Indian culture has been inestimable. It permanently influenced the development of all areas of human endeavour – language, dress, cuisine, all the art forms, architecture and urban design, and social customs and values. Conversely, the languages of the Muslim invaders were modified by contact with local languages, to Urdu, which uses the Arabic script. This language was also known as Hindustani, an umbrella term used for the vernacular terminology of Urdu as well as Hindi, both major languages in the Indian subcontinent today.

Muslim rule saw a greater urbanization of India and the rise of many cities and their urban cultures. The biggest impact was upon trade resulting from a common commercial and legal system extending from Morocco to Indonesia. This change of emphasis on mercantilism and trade from the more strongly centralized governance systems further clashed with the agricultural based traditional economy and also provided fuel for social and political tensions.

A related development to the shifting economic conditions was the establishment of Karkhanas, or small factories and the import and dissemination of technology through India and the rest of the world. Khurja and Siwan became renowned for pottery, Moradabad for brass ware, Mirzapur for carpets, Firozabad for glass wares, Farrukhabad for printing, Sahranpur and Nagina for wood-carving, Bidar and Lucknow for bidriware, Srinagar for papier-mache, Benaras for jewelry and textiles, and so on. On the flip-side encouraging such growth also resulted in higher taxes on the peasantry.

Numerous Indian scientific and mathematical advances and the Hindu numerals were spread to the rest of the world[1] and much of the scholarly work and advances in the sciences of the age under Muslim nations across the globe were imported by the liberal patronage of Arts and Sciences by the rulers. The languages brought by Islam were modified by contact with local languages leading to the creation of several new languages, such as Urdu, which uses the modified Arabic script, but with more Persian words. The influences of these languages exist in several dialects in India today.

Islamic and Mughal architecture and art is widely noticeable in Northern India, examples being the Taj Mahal and Jama Masjid. Though it is also widely argued that the Muslim rulers desecrated the magnificent Hindu temples and existing architectures of the cities after each conquest across India, raising mosques in those places to promote Islam.

The cultural practices of jauhar and sati, practiced by some Hindu communities, arose in response to periods of threat during the Muslim conquest to prevent kidnapping or capturing of Hindu women to be married to Muslim rulers, nobles or high officials, which was then considered a holy act of jihad and occurred in significant numbers[13].[dubious – discuss]

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The Delhi Sultanate
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Muhammad’s successors established the first dynasty of the Delhi Sultanate, while the Mamluk Dynasty in 1211 (however, the Delhi Sultanate is traditionally held to have been founded in 1206) seized the reins of the empire. Mamluk means “slave” and referred to the Turkic slave soldiers who became rulers. The territory under control of the Muslim rulers in Delhi expanded rapidly. By mid-century, Bengal and much of central India was under the Delhi Sultanate. Several Turko-Afghan dynasties ruled from Delhi: the Mamluk (1211–1290), the Khalji (1290–1320), the Tughlaq (1320–1413), the Sayyid (1414–51), and the Lodhi (1451–1526). Muslim Kings extended their domains into Southern India, the kingdom of Vijayanagar resisted until falling to the Deccan Sultanate in 1565. Certain kingdoms remained independent of Delhi such as the larger kingdoms of Rajasthan,the Kalinga empire starting with the Eastern Ganga dynasty till the Suryavansi dynasties protected and maintained the boundaries of Kalinga till their decline in the late 16th century, parts of the Deccan, Gujarat, Malwa (central India), nevertheless all of the area in present-day Pakistan came under the rule of Delhi.

The Sultans of Delhi enjoyed cordial, if superficial, relations with Muslim rulers in the Near East but owed them no allegiance. They based their laws on the Quran and the Islamic sharia and permitted non-Muslim subjects to practice their religion only if they paid the jizya (poll tax). They ruled from urban centers, while military camps and trading posts provided the nuclei for towns that sprang up in the countryside.

Perhaps the most significant contribution of the Sultanate was its temporary success in insulating the subcontinent from the potential devastation of the Mongol invasion from Central Asia in the 13th century, which nonetheless led to the capture of Afghanistan and western Pakistan by the Mongols (see the Ilkhanate Dynasty). The Sultanate ushered in a period of Indian cultural renaissance, The resulting “Indo-Muslim” fusion left lasting monuments in architecture, music, literature, and religion. In addition it is surmised that the language of Urdu (literally meaning “horde” or “camp” in various Turkic dialects) was born during the Delhi Sultanate period as a result of the mingling of Sanskritic Hindi and the Persian, Turkish, Arabic favored by the Muslim rulers of India[citation needed].

The Sultanate suffered significantly from the sacking of Delhi in 1398 by Timur, but revived briefly under the Lodi Dynasty, the final dynasty of the Sultanate before it was conquered by Zahiruddin Babur in 1526, who subsequently founded the Mughal Dynasty that ruled from the sixteenth to the eighteenth centuries.

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Ahzhar Hussain is back!!

After a vacation at the Taliban camp at the Swat valley!!
Maybe a honey moon with a Gadha, Godha and camel…

You have still not answered why you guys are into animal sex and child rape as google trends show…

What did you learn at the Taliban camp …Azhar?

Just to do more cut and paste fake Pakistani history books and no original idea??

Meanwhile your uncle, uncle Sam, tumhara tukda tukda kar ke suar ko khilna wala hai.

Read Robert Blackwill and David Cameron’s plans to balkanize Pakistan in Huffington Post– link given somewhere above.

Which fata (torn) piece of toilet paper will you migrate to? Pakhtunistan or Punjab?
O baita Sal and Azhar and Sal we guys are trying to study your brainwashed minds and show to the world that the evil Pakistanis are so badly brainwashed that they can never never change…
So please add more to the bulklshit by writing more.

As Rajeev has pointed out, you guys are products of rape and so carry so much hatred in your heart.:)

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Rajiv,

I have read the findings of the PEW research poll.

My own conclusions are you have put it rightly that years of preaching hate by the state, couched in religious rhetoric have had its effect.

We now have a full bucketload of Pakistanis, a wasted generation which cannot be engaged in any meaningful dialogue as they are too fixated by bad history and wrong beliefs. See Sal and Azhar as examples. Where is the meeting ground? They believe in terrorism, killing innocents and are proud of converting Non Muslims, Ahemadiyas, Shias etc too their single version of Islam.

Sadly as the google trends shows, they are also sexually frustrated and this outlet comes in terms of jihad and terrorism. In any society if the rich and powerful marry two or three or four times, they would be very few women for the rest of the society.

For example:

If 10% men keep 4 wives
if next ten percent keep 3
if next ten percent keep 2

Then 70% population has only 10% women available for marriage and mating.
To channelise this frustration a system is made where these males would be asked to

a) MIgrate out and forcibly convert women from other religions: Pakistanis have done this to their HIndu, Sikh and Buddhist women

b) Become warriers, that is kill and convert. That is what is happening in most of Pakistan.

We really have to come to terms with this aspect of Pakistan.

Then we would understand why Pakistanis think as under…..

85% for segregation of men and
women in workplace

82% for stoning adulterers
82% for whipping or harsh punishments like cutting feet, hand
76% for death penalty for those who leave Islam

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Even Musharraf was the right hand of Nawaz Shareef before military coup and so was Zia ul Haq before hanging Bhutto, we can’t really predict what’s gonna happen in future as current PPP regime is highly unpopular amongst Pakistanis.

Most of the Pakistanis fosee a midterm election in next few months and I hope Kyani will play an important role in changing political dynamics of country.

As far as Musharraf’s Muhajir ethnicity is concerned, he was actually backed by Punjabi Army for about 10 years and even at the time of his resignation he was given guard of honor by the same army despite countrywide demands of his arrest. So talking about ethnicity would be unfair here, the issue has more to do with power and good governance in Pakistan which remained missing during democracy.

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Namaste Vijay,
quite a lovely piece of bull shit you are. even though someone teaches you being sane you are the dog’s tail. which makes me wonder google stats shows pakistanis top of the list for watching porn and not actually into animal sex. who actually we see is people like you, being ridden on the back by a rhino or even a dino. okay we understand your supreme court is now working to legalise this as they did for homosexuality. low moral country and countrymen.

piece of history which azhar or sal has put is very true. we do not claim we won 71 we do deny the exagerration of the facts which you people live by. this internal piece of political-military saga ended up with fighting with you because you filthy a-s-s h-o-l-e-s were sponsoring terror in east pakistan and you know what, same medicine is making you cry like a baby. even if pakistan sponsored terror for kashmir it should continue to do so. it should back all elements of naxals, north-east militancy and gujrat and khalistan and kashmir to dismentle you. same reply same response. slum dogs.

sal, azhar – the problem with filthy shit like vijay and rajiv is to show them their true faces. let us put a danda in their p-u-s-s-y while they are in afghanistan and make them follow dutch or even nato who are leaving. pakistan should never ever talk on table with these shudars.

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Vijay,
It’s amazing that Sal believes that Invaders came with their wives to India..All soldiers came on horses with their wife..the very sight of it makes me laugh..
These people have been getting unlimited supply of Opium from Afghanistan…
Jokers

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I have already enumarated the reason for rape and jihad. Simple sexual frustration. That you cant have sex in your life as the rich and powerful take all thewomen thru polygamy. So you think u will get something in Jannat :)

Ha ha ha ha :) what a country…. what a people :)

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Hey Vijay read the report and were you also abused when you were young. 53% of you sexullly abused, that is majority of you guys have been abused. Facts don’t lie.

Over 53% children face sexual abuse: Survey
TNN, Apr 10, 2007, 12.00am IST

NEW DELHI: In a shocking revelation, a government commissioned survey has found that more than 53% of children in India are subjected to sexual abuse, but most don’t report the assaults to anyone.

The survey, released on Monday and which covered different forms of child abuse — physical, sexual and emotional — as well as female child neglect, found that two out of every three children have been physically abused.

Parents and relatives, persons known to the child or in a position of trust and responsibility were mostly found to be the perpetrators of child sexual abuse in the country. According to the women and child development ministry-sponsored report, which assumes greater significance in the backdrop of the Nithari killings that brought into focus the issue of children’s safety, those in the age group of 5-12 years reported higher levels of abuse.

While releasing the survey, women and child development minister Renuka Chowdhury said, “Child abuse is shrouded in secrecy and there is a conspiracy of silence around the entire subject. The ministry is working on a new law for protection of children’s rights by clearly specifying offences against children and stiffening punishments.”

The survey, carried out across 13 states and with a sample size of 12,447, revealed that 53.22% of children reported having faced one or more forms of sexual abuse, with Andhra Pradesh, Bihar, Assam and Delhi reporting the highest percentage of such incidents. In 50% of child abuse cases, the abusers were known to the child or were in a position of trust and responsibility and most children did not report the matter to anyone.

The survey, sponsored by WCD ministry and carried out by the NGO Prayas in association with Unicef and Save the Children, found that over 50% children were subjected to one or the other form of physical abuse and more boys than girls were abused physically. The first-ever survey on child abuse in the country disclosed that nearly 65% of schoolchildren reported facing corporal punishment — beatings by teachers — mostly in government schools.

Of children physically abused in families, in 88.6% of the cases, it was the parents who were the perpetrators. More than 50% had been sexually abused in ways that ranged from severe — such as rape or fondling — to milder forms of molestation that included forcible kissing.

The study also interviewed 2,324 young adults between the ages of 18 and 24, almost half of whom reported being physically or sexually abused as children. When it comes to emotional abuse, every second child was subjected to emotional assault and in 83% of the cases, parents were the abusers

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Pakistan ka matlab kya…
l*nd pe chadey humko kya..

Long live Balochi freedom..Baloch Azaad hoga..Pakistan Barbaad hoga.

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.
SharmaJi:
You stated:
“This blog will seek a constituency of reason across common boundaries of these perennially distant neighbors.”
I fully endorse ur goals and sincerely commend you for this initiative. But the tone and content of most of the comments appear undiplomatic and even inflammatory. To have meaningful discussions, you should lay down certain basic rules, screen out irrelevant, rude or unhelpful comments.
Thank you and best regards.

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Its not so , few religion like Islam teach their followers that all those who don’t believe in their Allah will be sent to Hell for time infinity , this is very root of Islamik fanaticism and it is a foolish belief

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The time draws near

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The neo nazi comparison is puerile & lame!!
You can’t choose to be white.It is not a choice.
Hindutva or Hinduness unites everyone in India.Ways of worship or Upasana Paddhati, as Dr.Swamy would call it, is different and accepted by him & everyone else as well.
No problems there,mate!
The problem comes with Uncle toms & Arabised Muslims.This is happening primarily in south and south western india where local muslims are being asked to become more and more arab.Stop using words like Namaz because of their indo-iranian infidel origins & use ‘Salah’ instead.They are asked to
Moreover Dr.Swamy sat on dharna for muslim,yes you read that right-Muslims.This was in a protest against the Hashimpura massacre.
So much for hate.
And the BJP is only half right wing.The other half of teh BJP is centre-right.Just like teh congress which is half left wing and half centre-left.
There is nothing fanatic about talking of the civilisational heritage of our nation.Ours is a continuing evolving civilisation which is largely Hindu.
I do not deny foreign iunfluences but look at what we did to them.We took kababs and made hara bhara kababs,which are veg.That is almost blaspheous for the people who came up with the kebab in the first place.I’ll tell you what is blashpemour, by definition, is the pork kebab.Again, an indian invention in pork eating parts of india.This mixing and moving on process, is a part of the larger hindu culture.Hinduism is NOT a religion.It is a treatise on values.You can pray to allah and be culturally hindu like most muslims already are.
It is the ones in southern and south western india who are being fed a supremacist,even a neo-nazi kind of a mindset that you believe Dr.Swamy has, who are teh problem.They are being asked to forget everything Indian or south asian about themselves.They are asked to learn arabic and not the local languages including urdu, which is largely an indigenous indian language since it’s base is Khadi Boli.They are told that sufis are grave worshipping infidels,Shias are dirty, Qadyanis are the worst infidels and that they(naive young muslims) are the true muslims with their literalist interpretations of islam.
What is religion if not interpretation??
The UK is culturally christian, so is the US.We are culturally Hindu & this has nothign to do with religion.
It is a treatise on values is Hinduism.Not a religion.You can be an atheist and be Hindu.In fact you can be an atheist and be an orthodox, practising Hindu.
And Dr.Swamy doesn’t just have close Muslim relatives, he also has jewish, christian & Parsee relatives as well.Not to mention the fact that he sat on a fast for Muslim victims of the Hashimpura massacre.

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“compartment was
put on fire by them to provide rason for muslim mascare which was preplanned”
OK, we will do that again & again. we will massacre you more & more. as you have tortured kashmiri pandits, get prepared for life in hell.

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more than 7 lakh kashmiri pandits died or disappeared from 1990. till that much muslim dogs are not killed, more gujrat will happen.

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And kuran is full of gyan, ehh ?? You pig, how many years old your islam is ? You moron, has not your muhhamad killed his foster son bilal & accepted his widow daughter-in-law as kept ?? you dog-shit, understand that you are not from arab countries where muhhamad started preaching his non-sense. your fore fathers have converted from any other religion or some arab had killed your father & enslaved your mother. you are product of arabian gangbang.

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Your society ?? from when did son of arabian pigs started having society ??
Intellectual !!! I am surprised….. from 7th century till this date, in last 15 centuries muslims can not be credited with a single innovation. only they know, to fight with others, in the name of islam. first, they will fight with other religions, then with themselves (shia, sunni, sufi, ahmadia etc). they never learn to leave with peace.

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the truth is muslims indeed have a hindu past so i dont understand whats wrong in accepting it , muslims r no outsiders they belong to a land that was once hindustan now its considered secular india, we r not asking them to reconvert to hinduism but want them to accept that they are converts then it might be for any reasons. the hard and truth fact is if they dont change their attitude they will remain of nowhere because arabian’s dont accept them(where most of them beleive they r from lol:)} and soon hindustan will leave them on their own crying. whats the harm in accepting the truth.

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