Afghan dimension of Pak’s pitch for peace with India



SM Krishna’s biggest challenge since he assumed the reins of the Indian Foreign Office has arrived. The US-educated politico has faced many a battle at home. But the turf this time is unfamiliar and unfriendly.

Krishna’s isn’t his first visit to Pakistan. He has been there early—on a Track-2 mission in 1999. Sharif then was the Prime Minister and Benazir Bhutto the Leader of Opposition. Terrorism even then was a threat. But it hadn’t devastated the jerrybuilt Indo-Pak relations the way it did in recent years — especially after 26/11.

Wants Pak's writ in Kabul

Bhutto has since been assassinated, Sharif’s in the opposition and Musharraf in exile after a long rule. Asif Zardari and Yusuf Raza Gilani’s civilian setup is the one with which India’s interfacing. But the real power rests with the inscrutable General Kayani, the Pak Army chief whose sole obsession these days is to establish Pakistan’s writ in Afghanistan behind the back of the Americans who are unable to hide their hurry to leave the war-ravaged country.

Changing colours?

Afghan President Hamid Karzai is showing signs of having read the writing on the wall and is reportedly willing to play ball with Islamabad. If things work out the way Kayani desires, the endgame might be against India’s security interests and its objective of a reasonable presence in that country.

A section of the Pakistani policy makers are already going around arguing that their stakes in Afghanistan were comparable with India’s in Sri Lanka and Nepal. The sooner New Delhi moved to rollback this perception and flagged with the Americans the danger — in terms of the global fight against terror — of sub-letting Afghanistan to Pakistan.

In this backdrop, Krishna’s brief in the talks he’d hold on July 15 with Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi is to find ways to building trust. From the Indian standpoint, the only way forward is tough action against fountainheads of terror that freely roam the streets of Lahore and other parts of Pakistan.

Will Pakistan deliver? Is the Pak Army really on board with Gilani to mend fences with India? The faujis in Rawalpindi indeed want a tranquil eastern border till they realize their objective of turning Afghanistan into a safe strategic depth option. The US discomfiture — and that of NATO participants— over prolonging their presence in the Hindukush region is the opening the Pak military leadership has for long aspired.

Given the Pak Army’s chronic distrust of and hostility towards India, not many on the Indian side are optimistic about a sustained, fruitful engagement. But there are a few who believe New Delhi would do well if it could lock Islamabad into some kind of a code of conduct to check and contain terrorism.

The limited elbow – room it has in pursuing peace has forced the UPA regime to keep expectations at the minimal. It feels the revival of street protests in Kashmir has a lot to do with the Foreign Minister-level talks —- afford as they do an opportunity to Pakistan to raise the issue bilaterally and propagate it internationally.

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  • Rajiv

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    Will Taleban in Afganistan be bad for India ?
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    I mean, if you wish ill of Pakistan, you would like it to become a Sharia Islamic Republic with the Taleban in the ascendent and a sizable populace of Pakistan running amock with cries of Jihad.

    Sometimes a disease cannot be cured, unless the disease has progressed to a very mature state.
    You have to leave self-destructive states alone and not interfere with there sacred work.

    A Taleban controlled Afganistan, will certainly be helpful in more Talebanization of Pakistan and more lawlessness along the wetsern border of Pakistan.

    Given Pakistan’s history, its conduct in East Pakistan, its starting of self-defeating wars with India, its almost a certainity that the Pak army will take self-defeating measures that are inimical to Pakistan and cause it more harm. So let Pak-Kayani supported Taleban rule Afganistan.
    India will have to continue to deal with terrorists coming accross from mad-Jihadistan , with or without it

    So , Taleban takeover of Afganistan , as Kayani-army desires, may be the best thing that you can wish upon Pakistan !

    Let the disease of Pak-Talebanization mature and then the world will deal with it,

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    Sam Reply:

    How can we help the persecuted people in Pakistan.
    Especially Hindus/Sikhs.

    What are the practical ways to do it, without actually hurting them.
    Will external help be considered with suspicion ?
    Please post any ideas..

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    Vikram Reply:

    How can you help any non muslim or for that matter any deemed non muslims like Ahmadiyas or any peaceloving sufi muslim in an increasingly wahabbist fundamentalist country like Pakistan– by offering him asylum in your own. Un becharo ko to allah bhi nahi bacha sakta insaan kya cheez hai

    Any external help from non muslim countries will just be used as a pretext by many to drop all remaining inhibitions of being civilized and the atrocities will increase in vigor. It would also be fully state sanctioned. Atrocities on Christains might be held back due to the evangalicals in US putting pressure via the US govt who in turn put the screw on the Aid tap. But what leverage do we have ! In fact even talkign about developing a leverage leads to criticism from the ****-loving bleeding heart liberals in India. Jai ho

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Its too late. Just like once a species, falls below a certain number, it becomes extinct.
    Similarly, minorities , particularly Hindus, are on way to become extinct.

    India should have offered Indian citizenship to Pak Hindus on humanitarian and religious persecution grounds. But since India is a practicing secular state, we could not be seen as helping someone on religious grounds, so we consigned the Pk Hindus to the fanatical inferno of Pakistan.

    I think, India should have found a way to offer citizenship to persecuted Hindus in Pak , but if you restrict that to only Hindus , then you are not a secular state.

    USA offers refugee status to people of all religions, not just christians.

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    Sam Reply:

    How about financing the persecuted Hindu/Sikhs to leave to USA ?
    how about an organization which helps with this process ?

    or how about sending money, purely humanitarian purposes.
    how about getting Hindus/sikhs move illegally to India and helping them getting legalized
    ( B’desh muslims are able to do it, who are not even persecuted in that country)

    There should be a way to help,,,just do not despair and give up.

    if one door closes, let us see if another door is open..

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    No offense – but when was the last time any religious fanatics in Afghanistan posed threat to India?

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Sam, Rajiv, Dr Anand and others in thsi blog…..

    I am posing a question and answer for all of you…..

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    SHOULD SM KRISHNA TAKE A REAR VIEW MIRROR WHEN HE TRAVELS TO PAKISTAN ?????

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    ANSWER:

    YES !! :) :)

    because whenever the sly Pakistanis embrace you, they have a dagger in their hand…. which they will plunge in your back……

    :( :( :( just part of pakistani culture :( :( :(

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    Sam Reply:

    Best thing would be to break off diplomatic relations …

    Why play this dumb game of peace…

    India should have kept 93,000 soldiers in a POW camp and should have held them hostages.
    They would have been useful for negotiating ploys.
    atleast for 30 yrs that would have been useful (until 2002)..

    As part of release India should have had the right to inspect Pak for any terrorist camps…
    (US and USSR/russia have nuclear arms inspection treaties..)

    Paritosh Reply:

    how about inhumanely torturing these P-a-k-i soldiers to death??

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Vijay Kumar
    :) ) :) ) :) ) :) ) What an intellect! Great contribution to the debate!

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    In the same vein when it was suggested that Ajmal Kasab be served Pork.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Thx Vinodji…

    at least you smiled at me…. till now I had been getting your frowns for some time…. :)

    Pratyush Reply:

    A lots of comments have indicated a vicious nexus of China and Pakistan to counter India .
    I think its a reason enough to jubilate that China is trying to counter India. If anything its symbolic of India’s rise in the international domain and how is it viewed in echelons of Chinese foreign ministry.
    Now to the more important topic. Everyone(Every sane person) knows that the probability of getting any concrete results out of these these are equivalent to the chances of Rakhi sawant winning a nomination for Oscars. These talks are simply meant to play to a gallery and if i am not mistaken the audience are the people in Oval office.
    India ,after all the humanitarian aid it has poured into Afganistan, cant afford it being lost to proxies of islamabad !
    Is-lame-bad is stuck with ani-india OS of pre Windows 95 days in its hardware even though the world has moved onto Windows 7 . The sooner the pakistan phases out these outdated system from its workplace the better it will be for the peace in afganistan ! (It can take India’s help , After all we are IT giants :D )

    Sam Reply:

    > If anything its symbolic of India’s rise in the international domain and how is it viewed in echelons of Chinese foreign ministry.

    China was helping Pak, much before India’s rise.
    They helped for atomic bomb in 70/80’s.

    Vikram Reply:

    Why is the old man in Pakistan anyway. Its a waste of time. now he will make some innane comments abotu cultural similarities. some stupid jokes and shero shairi and photo ops will be exchanged. and then back to business for pakistan

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay ji
    That is what exactly happened when Vajpayee ji visited Lahore and the Lohore declaration was signed. Kargil immedaitely followed. That was a sort of stabbing in the back. After that experience, how any govt. in India whether of UPA or NDA can trust Pakistan? Hopefully, Mr. Krishna is able to handle the tricky situation.
    For once, even Vinod Sharma ji was very vocal on “Times Now” TV last night while discussing Mr. Krishna’s visit to Pakistan. It is good that the comments on this blog helped Mr. Sharma to gauage the public opinion with respect to be intitiating dialogue with Pakistan till the perpetrators of 26/11 are brought to justice. The role of our country in Afghanistan after the exit of US and NATO from Afghanistan next year is also one of the main point which has to be sorted out. After all, our country has invested billions in constructing the infra structure in Afghanistan on the encouragement of US alone and which can not be allowed to go in drain.
    Regards
    BNA

    schadha Reply:

    A well written piece but there appear to be no options for india — india has always been on the loosers side . First in the russian occupation india was favouring russia and the northern alliance and now hamid karzai / usa. It seems that our foreign office is not capable of judging the realities on the ground
    Best is let the afghans to themselves — they will soon be fighting amongst themselves for the taliban are one of the groups there and represent the pushtoons only And that too not all of the pushtoons — there are war lords who are waiting to control their own so to say empires in that country
    Seeing past behaviour of the taliban it is likely they will try to amalgamate the border areas of pakistan where similar tribes live in afghanistan — so there is no end to conflict there but this will be in indias interest as pakistan will be contained to some degree
    The worst is that after the pressure of the international community is eased after the us withdraws the afpaks may concentrate on kashmir — they have religion , terrorists , cadres for this on their side. This the indian govt has to prepare for — after usa withdraws that country will not be bothered with terrorism in this part of the world and our present policy of using usa presuure on pak to rein in terrorism wil not be productive . We definetly have to rely on ourselves to counter this — perhaps india should be in synch with russia which has a border with afganistan and once was active there
    Pakistan is not to be trusted as far as our country is concerned — corner stone of their policy is anti india policy . Even presupposing you give them kashmir they will still find another issue
    The pressure on their western borders / usa pressures were in some ways a check to their intentions but this will not be the case once this is removed
    India must prepare both militariiy as well as diplomatically to respond to this rapidly changing scenario and the earlier they do the better . Engage in talks with pakistan but do not trust them for you will achieve nothing

    Sam Reply:

    Throughout history Muslims from Afghanistan and beyond (towards west) attacked and pillaged Punjab and other parts of India.

    This trend goes for centuries.
    It is only natural, it will continue in the future.
    Didn’t pasthun attack Kashmir (or is it pak army soldiers in disguise) in 1947 ?

    Do pasthun’s consider Duran line as artificially dividing them ?

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    Sam Reply:

    Historically unruly people from Afghanistan cause trouble to well settled areas of Punjab/Delhi area..
    Now it is Taliban Vs Punjabi muslims..
    earlier in history it was Afghanis Vs Britishers
    before Afghanis Vs Sikhs
    before Afghanis Vs dying Moghul rulers
    before Afghanis Vs pre moghul muslim rulers.
    .
    .
    .
    History has to continue..into the future.
    very soon after afghanis take over Punjab/pak it will be again Afghanis Vs Delhi..
    (it does not matter if it is Hindu or Muslim..)
    this is the battle of tribal unruly thugs Vs more settled and peaceful societies..

    unless
    like in China, a great wall (or its modern equivalent) is built to physically control these hungry violent tribes.

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    @ Sam

    I agree. I make my question clear by being more specific to present era. Somewhere in 20th century. The fear prevails that if civilized leadership is not in Afghanistan it will destroy the world and especially India. So India is proactively reactive to support anti-religous parties (not Taliban). So now the question is

    In the present era when was last time Taliban posed threat to India?

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman Saheb
    Allow me to intervene. Was n’t it during IC-814 hijacking incident that the Indian govt. had to deal for the first time with Taliban govt. in Afghanistan? The results are before every one. The Talibans did co-operate with the hijackers. Otherwise why the hijackers would have taken the aircraft to Kandhar if they were not sure of Taliban support.. They let Azhar Mehsood, founder of Jaish-e- Mohammed and others to escape to Pakistan after they were released at kandhar. Yes, we could have handled the hijacking when the plane landed in Amritsar but we failed. That missed opportunity on our part indeed exposed Talibans to be siding with the hijackers at the cost of India.
    But then at that time was n’t Talibans creation of your country?
    I know these are difficult quries and may not be an accurate interpretation of Taliban vis-a-vis India .But that is how we perceive Talibans in terms of it hostility towards our country.
    Regards
    BNA

    Sam Reply:

    Usman..
    what is your intention in asking these questions.
    you already know what you want to say or even counter logic for some of our answers

    what exactly do you want to say..
    why dont you say it, instead of asking questions..

    Sam Reply:

    Dr Anand,
    One strange phenomenon i see on blogs is…
    Muslim writes do not use any honorofic or respectfully address Hindus.

    Hindus using respectful terms like Saheb…

    why is this ?
    1. Are Hindus more respectful in general ?
    2. Do Hindus want to use this for appeasing muslims ?
    3. Do Muslims are not respectful in general or do not believe in respecting Hindus ?
    4. Something else causes this asymmetric addressing habits ?

    Mahesh Reply:

    Specificallly addressed to Dr. B.N.Anand :
    You said :
    ” Was n’t it during IC-814 hijacking incident that the Indian govt. had to deal for the first time with Taliban govt. in Afghanistan? The results are before every one. The Talibans did co-operate with the hijackers. Otherwise why the hijackers would have taken the aircraft to Kandhar if they were not sure of Taliban support.. ”
    Actually the Afghan state – ruled by Taliban (albeit – a fragile and fairly religious fanatic one) – did co-operate with Indian Government as well. It did play a role in brokering exchange between Indian Government and hijackers. In fact, the National Geographic’s feature on IC-814 actually clearly highlights Taliban’s very likely role in substantially reducing the ransom amount demanded by hijackers. The events point to a possible “back channel” between relationship between the then Afghan state and Indian government agencies – perhaps via other mediators.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Good Day Dr Anand/Sam,

    Taliban were never a threat to India’s existance. Although, they were supported by Pak Army and ISI for a reason some thing that is beyond comprehension of ordinaries like us but that was never meant for substantial danger to India. I can’t blame Taliban for helping hijackers when the opportunity was left begging initially in Amritsar and followed by Khatmandu.

    I’m also not a big supporter of any extreme religious group that practices violent rules but what makes me question is the Indian stance on its presence and the right to be in Afghanistan when NATO forces leave. This is the question on someone’s intentions and ambitions who initially claim Taliban as foe and might find other means to engage with them or look for an early exit door. Need to mention prior hand that there now are serious difference between Taliban and once suppoters (ISI & Pak-army).

    @ Dr Anand
    Please dont address me as Saheb from now onwards in any of our future conversations. Not because of Sam’s comment but rather as someone who is far less in experience and age as compared to you.

    @ Sam
    Its the beauty inside one who addresses someone with respect. I equate the same for Dr B.N Anand despite i do not use the word Saheb often and we engage in comparing notes despite our difference. Besides, I don’t question as if to quiz someone’s intent but to find the ground where we can stand and engage in a peaceful discussion. Hope that sums up the answer for your query.

    Regards,
    Usman

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Sam
    By addressing someone with resperct does not mean that one is not putting one’s views in a straight way or rather in a blunt fashion. But well, that is how I have been taught to be respectful while addressing others, even one may be differing. I also address Mr. Vinod Sharma like wise though I am always at cross with him in terms of his views. We never agree with each other. I believe that it is not sort of appeasing any one or asking favour from anyone if I happen to address any one in a dignified way. I have as much respect for you as for any one else. I also follow your comments with interest and most of the time I always agree with you.
    In any way thanks for posing this query and giving me a chance to explain.
    BNA

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mahesh
    Thanks for the facts you mentioned. Well, that the Talibans played the mediation role through back channels during IC-814 hijack at Kandhara is not very well known fact. But the Talibans were at least guily of letting the present Jaish chief to slip away from Afghanistan after handover and not cooperating with the Indian govt. in nabbing him.
    BNA

    Sam Reply:

    >By addressing someone with resperct does not mean that one is not putting one’s views in a straight way or rather in a blunt fashion

    My questions were two parts.
    Why is there asymmetry in this addressing protocols ?

    You answered one-half of that issue.
    THe other half can be answered by Muslims.

    Thanks to hear that you agree with some of my views..

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello sam
    Yes, you got me right. It is now the onus on the other side to explain why this assymetry in this protocol.
    Please allow me to add a litte more. I am not sure whether you agree with me or not that Mr. Usman Chaudhry seems to of different stock from the othe Pakistani bloggers. He seems to be liberal and is not provocative and accepts the view point if convinced unlike other from the same country. For that reason, I started addressing him differently and spontaneously . I only hope that I am not proved wrong.
    Regards
    BNA

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Dear Dr Anand Sahab,

    Different stock? I thought i was a terrorist and one about to burst. :)

    Difference of opinion is the right of both of us. As respectable citizens if foreign minister can indulge in discussion then why can’t we be. But let us not let go decency and civilization. Rest whether one can equally map on expectations is/is not a confirm notion. We differ and agree depending on situation and arguments at hand. But i like discussions with atleast those who know how to argue with some logical reasoning.

    Take Care,
    Usman

    PS: Sir please do not call me as liberal. Usually i wont mend someone who is wrong footed but i would like to let you know that im not a liberal like you perceive.

  • Guru

    What are India’s security interests in Afghanistan? We do not want to feel that helplessness we felt at the start of this millenium. Thats why we gave the new Afghan govt. goodies so that we can have some leverage if god forbit it happens again. If US leaves Afghan, all our efforts are going to be a waste. Zakhi ur Rehman Lakhvi will move to Kandhahar and co-ordinate more Mumbai style attacks with impunity. With Pakistan, we atleast have the leverage of turning off the taps on the Indus rivers.. What will we do with Afghanistan? Our think tanks are either totally bankrupt with ideas or they are in deep sleep.

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  • Riaz Kashmiri

    It is upto the Afghan people wishes, India has nothing to do. No interference in their internal matters. They absolutely want USA & India to be out of Afghanistan.

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    Vikram Reply:

    not they ..its the pakistanis who want us out. so that they can screw over the afgans. India will probably be afganistans best bet in this region.

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    Sam Reply:

    Through out history, there is always “interference” in Afghanistan…

    Iran, Russia, US, Saudi, Sikhs, Moghuls, ….
    (now maybe even china..)

    and it will CONTINUE..

    India has the most reasons to be involved in Afghanistan historically and will be involved for sure.
    (whether pak likes it or not..)

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Afghans by thwe way want India to be there… ask an Afghani…. he absolutely hates the evil hearted Pakistani, who wants Afghanistan to become part of Pakistan….

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  • mubasher

    @Rajiv… You are a typical indian mindset filled with haterd. Lets try to be real now. The terms like Talibinization , Al-Qaeeda and fight against Terrorism were invented and manipulated in 21 century purposely to get hold in Afghanistan, and later on access to central asian states. India as the proverb says ” BAHTEE GANGA MEIN HATH DOO LOO” , anticipated too a profitable move trie to get itself in someway without calculating the risk factors. NOW MARK MY WORDS…. India has to PAY A BIG PRICE for all this. You know the very first symptom of madness is that person start abusing. You like your many others are on the same track…

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    Sam Reply:

    so what is the BIG PRICE to be paid ?

    please tell us more..

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    Vikram Reply:

    What else he means he and his brother will set more bombs send brave men with gun sto mow down women and kids in railway stations and hotels. what else can be expect from their ilk

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajiv can you post something useful worth making sense, or r u so obsessed of Pakistan to the point of being scared?

    Sam Reply:

    typical statement ..
    Pakistanis think the world is scared of them
    (maybe due to terrorism, they should be scared..)

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Miyan Mubashaer

    U shall do better by watching yr own backyard.The Sunnis chasing Shias. The Shias chasing Sunnis. The Wahabis chasing Sufis and the other way round. And when nothing else , the Ahmediyas are always there for all to chew.

    So forget about the Big Price for India.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    So Praveen now you want us to mind our buisness and watch our backyard. We will mind our business if you Indians were not in our backyard. When you people talk about Pakistan, how easily you forget your own ugly face. By Reading and writing the post on this blog I have learned that 1 billion of you are of the same mentality. I am happy that in our country we do realise our mistakes and I am also happy in a way that you people don’t want to see your own ugly face.

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    Sam Reply:

    > I am happy that in our country we do realise our mistakes and I am al

    great..
    now that you know how an evil kuffar is ..
    I doubt if you read your Koran because if you did you would have realized how evil all the infidels are …that would have saved you some time and you would have had wisdom much before..

    now please start killing all the evil kuffars..
    start with Ahmadiyyas, then shias, then Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists..

    please go ahead and join your fellow terrorist brothers to do this, as claimed by those people.

    Rajiv Reply:

    The Big Price is that Pakistan will become Talibanistan with Sharia ruling supreme.

    I say, welcome.!

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  • Rajan

    It is indeed childish to even think that Pakistan will ever roll back its terror plans. It is not going to happen even Pakistan continues to suffer and believe me it is common man in Pakistan that is suffering the people who run and control the affairs of Pakistan are absolutely safe and are completely detached from the common public. The army, feudal lord, Chowdhrys, Vaderas are all safe. Terrorism is an integral part of Pakistan’s foreign policy and will continue to be so. Thats why Guys with guns rule Pakistan. A low intensity conflict has been outsourced to groups like LeT or Jamat-ud-Dawa while Pakistan army itself has taken a bigger contract (Supari) to kill Al-Quaida/Taleban. Terrorism is lifeline of Pakistan. From a terror export country it has become an extortionist country .India has to learn to live with it on its own.

    Therefore, a sustained engagement with Pakistan is not possible.

    Another reason for my being pessimist about reaching some sort of agreement with Pakistan is that Pakistan never had economic development and upliftment of its people on its agenda. It is for first time Pakistan seem to be dying to get some sort of a nuclear deal ( 2 Nuclear reactors for 650 MW) from China, if not from USA , to help with power generation otherwise all the time its leaders were asking for weapons and some sort of punishment for India for being big. This too because India got the landmark Nuclear deal and exemption from NSG. They still are in a state of shock. Pakistan leadership thinks that it is the flag bearer of Islam in the South Asia and it is its duty to hurt, harm, destroy a Hindu majority area as we Hindus are Kafirs and must be punished for that. A secular and democratic India make look Pakistan really bad. They want to control J&K and Afganistan through their proxies. These ambitions are disproportionate to its size.

    Most Importantly:

    Situation in Afganistan is very fluid. USA seems to be in a hurry but is it really ? I don’t think so. USA never came to Afganistan to capture Osama. It came here with a purpose other than the publically stated. AFganistan is immensly important for USA. They want to be as near to China as possible and as near to Pakistan as possible as the only place in the world from where a future attack can take place on USA, including a nuclear attack, is Pakistan. Pakistan and not Afganistan will be next battle ground between USA and upcoming super power China. India need not to rush for talks.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Rajan,
    A very insightful, credible political analysis. I hope our foreign minister, who was a local clannish leader in Karnataka and suddenly catapulted into the FM chair, realises the stakes facing India. Fuubright scholarship and a US masters degree doesn’t automatically enable a person full grasp of international diplomacy and intrigues. May Lord Krishna save our FM Krishna.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Agree! with your ending comments.

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  • Vikram

    That Kayani looks like a fulto villian. By all indications the Pak army makes money out of conflicts with India and the so called Taliban why should it be interested in finding a solution. On the Indian side I am also sure the politicians and the babus make millions by buying faulty bullet proof jackets and taking kickback on our jawans coffins (the coffingate babus will rot in hell) why would they too want to solve this conflict and derail the gravy train !!

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  • YD

    If Pakistan take control of Afghanistan then India will be the biggest looser. The victory of Taliban and Al Quida will not be only in Afghanistan but in Pakistan and further the jihad will be exported to Central Asian Republics to Uighar to Chachania and Dagestan in Russia. India will also be affected in a bad way. The scenario is frightening but neither US nor India can see this danger. Talking with Pakistan in the garb of “confidence building” is useless because Pakistan knows what they want and, now, smell victory. But biggest question is what India can do about it ? Does India has the will and capacity to do anything ? From the past experience it seems the answer is NO.

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  • Azhar Hussain

    Chief Gen. Kapoor locks horns with his possible successor Gen. Singh

    A Daily Mail investigation Gen. Kapoor is trying to minimize Gen. Singh’s chances of promotion. Singh responds by exposing his real estate interests. This is why Lt. Gen. P.C. Bhardwaj was promoted by Kapoor as the Indian Army’s vice chief in September. Looks like Gen. Kapoor is wrong about his theory that his army will have to fight on two fronts.

    As always Indians pointinf fingures are Pakistan. We have enough of these types of scandals in Pakistan and like Pakistan, Indian Generals are also making money. Sorry Rajiv I have to cut and paste, cause thats the only to show you the facts.

    Gen. Singh’s inquiry committee found Gen. Kapoor’s aide involved in land scam worth millions.

    ·Scuffle between two top Generals paralyzes the Indian army.

    By Christina Palmer & Ajay Mehta

    NEW DELHI, INDIA—An outrageous feud has erupted amongst the top brass of India Army as two top Generals, the chief, General Deepak Kapoor, and his putative successor and the Eastern Command boss, Lt. General V.K. Singh, have locked horns over the issue of corruption scams in the army , reveal the findings of The Daily Mail.

    According to the findings of The Daily Mail, the difference between the Indian army Chief General Kapoor and the Chief of Army’s Eastern Command, Lt. General V.K Singh, who is the senior-most Lieutenant General, were emerging for the past few months after the inquiries into a military land scam began. These finding indicate that this tension between the two top general officers of the Indian army reached to the extreme when a Court of Inquiry, convened by the Eastern Army Commander who is based in Fort William in Calcutta, started the proceedings and recommended the sacking of Army Chief General Kapoor’s Principal Staff Officer (PSO) and Military Secretary Lt. Gen. Avadhesh Prakash.

    According to the sources in the in the Indian army, the Army Chief General Kapoor has made an abortive attempt to defend his top confidant. Our sources in the Ministry of Defence informed that General Kapoor has officially informed the Defence Minister A.K. Antony that Lt. Gen. V.K Singh was taking an over enthusiastic and “undue interest” in the land scam case of North Bengal

    The Daily Mail’s investigations further indicate that the Court of Inquiry, presided over by Commander 4 Corps, based at Tezpur-based, Lt. Gen. K.T. Parnaik, had forwarded its findings to Lt. Gen. Singh. Based on the findings and on consultations with the Judge Advocate General (JAG) in his command, the eastern army commander recommended the “termination of services” of Lt. Gen. Prakash because of his alleged involvement in a land scam case. The army sources say that this situation has paralyzed the entire military establishment as the scuffle between the 2 bigwigs of the Indian Army is rising day by day with Army Chief trying to show his muscles to Commander Eastern Command and resisting JAG branch’s recommendations while Commander Eastern Command sticking to the set rules and procedures.

    The Daily Mail’s investigations further reveal that the Indian Defence Minister, who istrying hard to stay away from this controversy over the corruption scam of the Generals of the Indian army, held a confidential meeting with his Army Chief General Kapoor on the eve of Christmas and asked General Kapoor to go easy on the case of his PSO Lt. Gen. Prakash. The sources say that upon this Gen. Kapoor demurred and defended his confidant but failed to convince the Defence Minister.

    These investigations further indicate that while the report of the Court of Inquiry was being “studied and analysed”, another probe from the central command brought out “the involvement without blaming” of the military secretary in awarding an Rs 1.7-crore contract to a north Bengal-based realtor, Dilip Aggarwal.

    Brigadier (Rtd) M.K Singh, a former Indian army officer and is one way or the other, associated to the state of affairs, upon contacting by The Daily Mail said that it was all indicative of a serious communication gap between Army Headquarters and the Eastern Command, a fully operational authority whose area of responsibility covers the maximum length of international borders. According to Brigadier Singh, after the report of the Court of Inquiry (CoI) was hand-delivered from Calcutta at 9.30 on the morning of December 23, Wednesday, Army Chief Kapoor was summoned for an unscheduled meeting by the Defence Minister in his office and he discussed the matter with General Kapoor for about two hours but general Kapoor remained stick to defend ‘his’ men and the meeting ended with no positive outcome.

    Brigadier Singh says that there was cold war going on between general Kaporr and the Fort William boss Lt.. General V.K Singh for the past few months over some personal issues. He says that since Gen. Singh had convened a Court of Inquiry that indicted Lt. Gen. Prakash in the land case. Gen. Kapoor felt that the Eastern Commander did not have the authority to summon the army chief’s principal staff officer and he did so with ill-intentions. He further said that Lt. Gen. V.K. Singh, whose age was caught in a discrepancy, was bypassed earlier for the post of Vice-Chief of the Army staff and somehow blamed General Kapoor for it and that is perhaps from where the row between the two began.

    The Daily Mail’s findings reveal that a meeting between Defence Minister and Army Chief General Kapoor was held in the afternoon of December 24 after the minister had returned from Hyderabad. This meeting lasted for 40 minutes. During the meeting the Defence Minister and the army Chief discussed the Eastern Command’s recommendation to “terminate the services” of Prakash over the alleged Rs 300-crore land scam in north Bengal. Sources in the defence Ministry say that Minister Antony sought a summary of the investigation and the recommendations and directed that the military secretary be prevailed upon to put in his papers to avoid further embarrassment to his ministry and the army.

    The Daily Mail findings suggest that Gen. Kapoor protested and defended his PSO’s position and pleaded to the Defence Minister that the Eastern Command under Lt. Gen. Singh, who was the convening authority of the court of inquiry that has indicted the military secretary, has taken an “undue interest” in investigating Lt. Gen. Prakash. The military secretary was called as a witness to the court and the eastern commander does not have authority to investigate him or recommend action against one of the eight principal staff officers.

    The Daily Mail’s findings further indicate that the army Chief suggested that the recommendation to “terminate the services” in other words, cashier or sack the military secretary should be toned down to “administrative action” that could involve cutting his benefits but will not drape an officer with such a long career in ignominy but the minister did not agree to it and instead conveyed that Lt. Gen. Prakash should be persuaded to put in his papers if he does not do so voluntarily.

    These findings indicate that the next day, December 25, Gen. Kapoor visited the defence minister at his residence, ostensibly to wish him on Christmas. Staff at the defence minister’s residence expected the meeting to last about 30 minutes or so. But it ended after 10 minutes in a very cold manner.

    The Daily Mail’s investigations reveal that during the time of the first unscheduled meeting, the Defence Minister was not properly briefed about the second investigation in Lucknow by a Major General. That investigation indicted seven officers, including a Major General, in the Ranikhet Kumaon Regimental Centre land scam while Military Secretary Lt. Gen. Prakash is the Colonel Commandant of the Kumaon Regiment. It was a double whammy for the Army Chief General Kapoor and his Principal aide.

    The defence analysts here at New Delhi believe that this state of affairs where the Chief of Army Staff is patronizing the officers that have been proved guilty of corruption, the Indian Army is bound suffer badly. They suggest that general Kapoor should either be removed or be asked for a volunteer retirement from the service to save the image and reputation of the institution that is already suffering from big blows of corruption.

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    Marc Reply:

    There seems to be no consensus among Indians on this forum as to how to live with their most relevant neighbor next doors. Unless India evolves a mature live and let live policy towards Pakistan, she will NEVER climb out of the morass of petty power plays of south Asia. India may win every battle with pakistan but it will ****** its ascendancy to a global stature. It has already begun by American interlocutors at the Strategic Summit politely referring to India’s regional obsessions and lack of self-awareness in terms of global outlook (ie stuck in anti-pak obsession). Does India want to come to be seen as a one trick pony ie great at IT and obsessed with regional rivalry?

    One suggestion is to let Pak win in Afghanistan and allow it to implode. Well why don’t you take it to its logical end and even allow protesting ungrateful Kashmiris to join their brethren in pakistan and thereby speeding up the implosion of thankless muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan & Kashmir. Later you can pick up the pieces and be the master right upto Oxus!!!!!
    Another good suggestion was to restrain Indian baboos from new coffin-gate. Well since India is the greatest democracy on earth; so the common Indians should be able to end this baboo gate….No?
    I mean is that not the hallmark of a democracy-will of the people should prevail?
    Otherwise you are no better that Pakistanis who -by your own account- cannot restrain their army from making hay$$$ in Kashmir. So the suggestion is you the democratically empowered Indians can stop this profiteering by taking the bone of contention out of the equation ie give the kashmirisa what they desire most thus taking away the basis of Pak army money making scheme, and putting an end to Baboos cheating your taxpayers by buying billions of dollars of coffins for your dead soldiers and more expensive toys for the ones still living!!!!!!
    I mean why not negotiate land for peace with kashmiris/pakistanis and then leave them to their designs. If your hypothesis is correct, they will kill themselves in a mad jehad and leave you the peninsular Indians alone to become a pre-eminent power.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Marc,

    If and when Pakistan implodes (implode it shall, most certainly), it will implode even without the Kashmiris joining in the harakiri. We only want to save these ungrateful Kashmiris from a self-destroying Pakistan.

    As for American “interlocutors” politely or brusquely advising India to climb out of the morass of whatever, they have made it their business to advise the world how the world should conduct its business. Never mind the ground has slipped from under America’s feet, never mind more and more US citizens are joining the long lines for dole, never mind the US is getting the most vicious kicks from its favourite ally, Pakistan. But advise they must, because once upon a time the USA was the first world, which dream now lies in tatters.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    azhar boy,

    What position do ou occupy in the mafia organization called Pakistan?

    I also suspect that some of the boys who become suicide bombers are so sexually frustrated that the thought of getting some – - – - y in jannat makes them blow themselves up…

    I hope you are not going to do the same… :)

    Your well wisher and pal,

    Vijay

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    Miyan Azhar

    I guess u are a Shia. Keep watching yr backside , there may some Sunnis lurking there to do u in..

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  • Naveed

    The real solution to India-Pakistan mistrust and power games is to resolve the dispute of Kashmir. I really do not care if India takes over Kashmir or it becomes an independent country, the Trust Deficit is because none of the conflicts have ever been resolved. As long the trust deficit remains, Pakistan would never let India establish any presence in Afghanistan. Pakistan has the resources and troops on the ground to hasten the retreat of USA/NATO from Afghanistan. Pakistan does not want to do that, because it may have backlash. Pakistan’s sole aim is to contain India, because India is Pakistan’s only enemy, because none of the issues have ever been resolved between two countries, and the most important Conflict is KASHMIR.

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    Sam Reply:

    how about pak army vacating POK ?
    it does not have the legal mandate from the Maharaja and even UN resolution asks for it to vacate.

    How about respecting those and creating a trust back again ?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    And Sam when was the last time you heard Kashmiris living in Azad Kashmir say that they want be part of your cuntry, Never Have, Never Will. But in your part of Kashmir insurgency countinues uaabated and 80000 people have been killed. I repeat 80,000, some will be paying the price for it, don’t you think.

    NOw you guys can go back to name calling and making self serving statements.

    Over to your Rajiv.

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    Vikram Reply:

    So they want to be part of your country !! and why dont u guys keep to your own blogs and news channels. This Vinod sharma blog is another cyberspace battle ground for Indo-Pak

    Sam Reply:

    Where are the original Kashmiri’s in POK.
    It is filled with Punjabis.

    Go read the recent polls.
    More people from POK want to be independant than people from Indian Kashmir..

    that say’s it all.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Azhar Hussain,

    Out of the 80,000, more than 50,000 are kashmiri pandits killed by your terrorists inside the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir. If you take a honest poll/plebiscite/referendum inside Pakistan for Pakistanis, you will be surprised to find more than 75% of them willing to desert your country and live elsewhere.

    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Naveed,

    Pakistan has only “sources” (read US and China) and no resources, except state/non-state jihadi human bombs (We do concede, these are in plenty and inexhaustible). To hasten the retreat of US and NATO, you must first have enough “moolah” to keep your cars running and the troops’ tummies filled, which, sadly for you, is not there. You live from day to day and only when America loosens its purse strings. Pakistan can achieve this so called retreat only by causing several 9/11s in the US and Europe.

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  • http://tradersutra.com h mani

    Sitution on all side looks grim,Pakistan is ruled by army,which has vested interest with perputual conflict with India,West has been cought in struggle with radical Islam,they are cought between rock and hard place,add to all this witches brew Indian leadership even it was corrupt to core,it also is weak,spineless,divide of any fresh ideas or imagination,in a way there seems to be no silver lining for any body,pakistan army is the only one who will be calling shots,even though poor pakistani,minority,ahmediyas,sihks and hindus have no way out.One feel sorry for Afghans,poor and women,who have no where to go.I see chaos all over,it will gets worse before it gets better.To me India is in grave peril more so as they have no clue what to do,American withdrawal will open total disaster for upa govt,they will have renewed terrorism,maoist and kashmeri sepertist will launch fresh adventure and aid to this I fear fresh agitation to criple goi by Khalistan terrorist who are waiting in the wings.Congress govt is like Nero plaing fiddle not aware of burning going on.It is very alarming and frightening.Only a informed citizen can do anything,but even they are sleeping and are full of apathy,you can not blame them.There is no Paul Reveara in sight.

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  • Ramiz

    As the the fact that Indiana are training terrorists in camps in Afghanistan, India is a predator that uses terrorism as a policy tool to achieve her national interests. Indian have done that in Sri Lanka, Nepal, and former East Pakistan. It looks ugly when Indians cry of terrorism. They are not victim of terrorism. Instead they are offenders who used terrorism with an impunity.

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    Pratyush Reply:

    @ Ramiz

    Pakistan is going to send a space probe to jupiter by next month.
    Karan johar’s next movie is going to tackle naxalism
    And, General kayani is nominated for the noble peace prize

    Your statement comes right up there . Without any credibility or evidence your claims are just that , claims! India has asserted its presence in afganistan by not funding any “nationalist movement ” but instead by donating billions of dollar in aid in rebuilding Afganistan. For god sakes , India doesnt politically or strategically harbour any organisation banned by UN, can you say the same about your country ???
    East pakistan …..Wait ,,i dont have to justify anything to you ,,,infact if it helps ,,,yes india liberated some millions of innocent people from state sponsored genocide and anarchy. It was a war , Pakistan lost it and surrendered 94,000 troops. (Registered as one of the biggest surrenders in terms of number of soldiers ..i could have said its in guiness book of world records , but then i am not you ! :D ) . As far as i know India sent a peace keeping force in Sri lanka (Do i see the same kind of offer coming from your side for kashmir ? NO)
    The last time i checked there isnt a single separatist movement raging on in Nepal !
    let me congratulate you for being one of the very few in your country having a reasonable grasp of the queens language.

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  • Rajiv

    @suspect degree Azhar, does not know that in India, the civilian government hires and fires generals at will.

    In Pakistan, its the generals who hire and fire politicians at will , sometimes hang them, sometimes send them to 10 year exile to Saudi Arabia!.

    Once again , suspect degree Azhar, fails to see the difference between a criminal entity and a normal nation.

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    Osama Reply:

    Army rule in Pakistan or congress ruled democracy in India have not done justice to the poor people of either countries. If we can’t be friends the least we can do is keep an open mind and let each other live. Pakistan is involved in India and India is involved in Pakistan. Who is paying the price – people living below the poverty line!

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    Sam Reply:

    India is NOT involved in Pak..

    India will be happy to totally cut off relations with Pak, if Pak will promise non-interference.

    Except for some muslims in India, no one need any relations with pak.

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    Ats Reply:

    Pak needs to be split ….with the help of Iran. India should seek Iran on its side for breaking Pak into parts – sindhs and punjabis, pathans , don’ t worry Obama won’t kick you he has to save his *** first. Possibily RAW needs to be active instead of indulging in departmental fighting for “Country A foreign postings” . What India needs today is committed, loyal institutions, irrespective of congress or el sari rojo I mean Sonia and Raoul Gandhi , in this regard salutes/hats off to Gen. V.K. Singh for speaking out his mind and holding firm on army deployment in Kashmir. We are safe as long as General Singh is there.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Sam by saying “Indian is NOT invovled in Pak’, you are making yourself look a bigger ***.

    Sam Reply:

    >Sam by saying “Indian is NOT invovled in Pak’, you are making yourself look a bigger ***

    Do you have proof ?
    Allegations are just mere allegations.

    Sam Reply:

    If india want to get “involved in Pak”,,

    it will do in a big way, just like they did in Bangladesh.
    and it has the resources to do it.

    So far there is no will to do it, as they do not believe in violence.
    India got reluctantly involved only after millions were butchered by Pak army and 10 million refugees came from B’desh.

  • Shah Jee

    The future looks bleak for India and Pakistan unless Indian Babu establishment realize that their best bet is Pakistan’s liberals (Pro Jinnah) parties. They have bagged 95% of votes historically so far in Pak elections.

    Lets talk with them to dismantle the terror infrastructure in South Asia by finding a solution to Kashmiries plight. Its the right time to do it when Indian Army Chief has confessed that army cannot fix Kashmir issue as the problem is a political one. Kashmir resolution will weaken the security establishment in Pakistan and empower the civil society. Lets do it sooner then later, we all know that Israel has to end Palestine occupation one day, India has to settle Kashmir, US has to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

    If India wants to lead South Asia as a secular domain, then it must empower secular sections of Pakistan and not the Jihadies by projecting hard power on poor Kashmiries.

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  • Roh

    If American and their allies prepare to retreat from Afghanistan India should crackdown on Pakistan from eastern borders and crush terrorists once and for all. For all the American buffoonery india should not bow down if it does not want to be crusjed amonst 2 DEVILS Pak and China. Already India is awash with Wahabi money and multiplying terror cells while Indian politicians are busy fighting for spoils of office.

    Already India cannot do projects in Arunachal and China has belligerent presence with vast military and missiles. With China and pak going ahead in POK it shows Indian government does not have neither the guts nor determination to take on China. Besides looting nation what can Indian politicians and businessmen do?

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  • Rajiv

    ——————————————————————————————————————————–
    ISI mamanged Mumbai attacks, from beginning to end : Indian Home secretary
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    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/04-india-mumbai-attacks-isi-qs-06

    NEW DELHI: Pakistan’s intelligence agency controlled and coordinated the 2008 Mumbai attacks, a top Indian security official said, in what is the most direct indictment yet of Pakistan by India in the strikes that killed 166 people.

    “It was not just a peripheral role,” the Indian Express newspaper quoted G.K. Pillai, India’s home secretary, as saying.

    “They (Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence) were literally controlling and coordinating it from the beginning till the end.”

    Pillai’s comments come a day before the two countries’ foreign ministers meet in Islamabad to try and repair relations worsened by the Mumbai attacks.

    Pillai was not immediately available for comment.

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    Any way, thats public knowledge anyway. Good to see theh. government acknowledge the truth.

    Regarding Afganistan, India should not bother itself. Irrespective of who rules Afganistan, ISI and Pak army will remain a criminal entity. So a Talebanized Afganistan , as desired by Kayani/ISI , will lead to greater criminalization of Pak. I say Shariah is supreme in the Islamic entity created by Jinnah and Shariah must rulePakistan. If you want to see Pakistan become like Afganistan, Taleban must rule Afganistan. It will be fun to watch and pity.

    Meanwhile, today in NY Times, new US General in Afganistan, Mr Petreus, is reported to be planning to confront the criminal nexus between Pak army/isi and Haqanni Taleban network.

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  • vijay kumar

    ” the only way forward is tough action against fountainheads of terror that freely roam the streets of Lahore and other parts of Pakistan….”

    Wow… I can’t believe that Vinodji wrote this. Seems that there is still hope for some balance from one of my favourite columnists, who in my opinion is brilliant when he writes about the caste census, yet becomes a softie when it comes to Pakistan….

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    Sam Reply:

    Most intelligent and smart and wordly people, lose their perspective and become Dhimmi’s when it comes to islam..

    what is this phenomenon ?

    maybe someone should research this, just like they did research about Stockholm syndrome
    (where hostages start identifying with hijackers and lose objectivity)…

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  • Shyam Mohan

    One feels that despite the revered ( in Bengaluru) Sri. Krishna’s civilized ways , handling Pakistan, not to go in the way as usual, as seen on the recent visit of Sri. PC , he should have a gowdagiri attitude of ‘ nin aman kis asha’. ‘Nin aman’ being the colloquial version of Yo mama.

    Like Bhopal, 26/11 may also be archived otherwise.

    We have to show our ego to make appoint with Pakistan. We have to show our strength. Our military is armed to the teeth as is. Make an aggressive move to take back J & K so that there is no leverage for Pak hereabouts. We should also raise the din at UN about OK, so that PAK establishment is exposed.

    Only then can we arrange for the good people of Pakistan out of their troubles and help them integrate with the world positively. Our tone should be clear that we will overthrow the current Pak government, We should show teeth by engaging with the Islamic groups and inform them that India can govern the NWFP. We should subdue the Pak army by a blitz that is easy. No harm can come India’s way. It is also for Paks good people to get on track . We must have a modern government which will arrange for freedom and a non Islamic state in Pakistan.

    In Afganistan, the US allied forces and the Russians know well that more than education or culture or any civilized bonding, the most important bond among the aam Afghan is the violent version of Islam. Hence at the end of it either Sri. Karzai or the Pakis or the Indians have to win these people primarily. What ever roads we build or the goodwill we do can easily be back tracked by the terrorists as seen in the Bhamiya bombins or the total reversal of Afganistan. If Karzai is serious and show capability, India should arrange for the NWFP who are Afgans to be under Kabul. Then if the world leave the NWFP to their own for some time and encourage the wise men, properly, we will have a people whom the world can learn from. And the world could help the women to be integrated and correct the wise men to to the modern world. When are we going to understand about these truly great men of NWLP?

    So the game in Afganistan of India-Pak is essentially the side show. Actually a India- Pak- China- Me sideshow.

    This building Trust thing is non sense. Pakis don’t trust us, meaning the political elite and the military. Because we are one of the main control points to con their people. Something like the Congress grip on the aam aadmi in India.

    We hope that Sri. Krishna will go in for meeting the Pakis with General David Howell Petraeus. Sri. Krishna have to receive the Chinese ambassador in Islamabad , meeting the KSA abasador will help. We have to show that we are the boss. Just having some nukes and subs and Sukois and not taking with power is of no use . No use to us . No use to the world. On his return he has to inform that the Iran Pak pile line will go the Bhamiya way, either by the terrorists or by a strike by India.

    Otherwise at least don’t con the aam admi.

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  • ramesh

    ideologiclly they cannot and will not make peace with us hindus or any others for that matter.Last 60 years shows us how the minorities were treated in that country,and were never allowed to grow or prosper.Kasmir is just a reason for contention for them,theydo not care for it.what have they done for the part they have in their control nothing even aid sent at the time of the earthquake has not fully reached the people.Pakistan army has not forgotten the Bangaladesh defeat,and holds India responsible for breaking their country.Any nigotiation is done to [and is thought to be our weakness] gain time for regrouping and attacking at their own time,right now they are busy with their north and the home grown monster.history has shown us the unending attacks from this ideology.Pakistan needs to change ,the deep rooted hatered needs to go away.Make peace with it own first then with others

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  • Ajay Kohli

    They may call it the “Land of the Pure,” but Pakistan turns out to be anything but.

    The Muslim country, which has banned content on at least 17 websites to block offensive and blasphemous material, is the world’s leader in online searches for pornographic material.

    “You won’t find strip clubs in Islamic countries. Most Islamic countries have certain dress codes,” said Gabriel Said Reynolds, professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Notre Dame. “It would be an irony if they haven’t shown the same vigilance to pornography.”

    So here’s the irony: Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.

    Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for “horse sex” since 2004, “donkey sex” since 2007, “rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009, “rape sex” since 2004, “child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, “animal sex” since 2004 and “dog sex” since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.

    The country also is tops — or has been No. 1 — in searches for “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other searches that can’t be printed here.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Paapistan.

    ( The name says it all )

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  • DR.SISTLA.SREEDHAV

    Today is the 15th of July/2010! Only yesterday,the Pak.army killed an Indian Army Infantry Major!
    1)POK harbors LeT!
    2)They refuse to accept Kasab’s confession reg. the Mumbai attack!
    3)They have started helping the Sri lankan military!
    4)They have built a mountain road with China!We all know it is a supply route of arms and related hardware to Pakistan!
    5)Jawaharlal Nehru was taken for a royal ride by the Chinese P.M–>Chou en Lai!
    6)Now, every Indian knows that Pakistan and China are ill-disposed towards India!
    7)Pak.wants to add Afghanistan to that list. The Taliban are Muslim fanatics of the worst order and you can see that they would not mind killing fellow Muslims in Pakistan and do not mind taking help from a Hindu-majority country like ours, as long as it serves their purpose.No self-respecting national would like to give up his land to foreigners. Afghanistan and the U.K are two countries which have never been occupied and ruled by a foreign power!
    8) USA are finding out the hard way,that occupying and holding positions in Afghanistan is impossible!Like USA, Pakistan too wants a puppet government in Afghanistan,so that if a war breaks out between India and the Pak+China axis,Afghan land becomes a fall-back option!
    9) It is pure arm-twisting by USA that is making our Minister of Foreign affairs to visit Pak.For once we have a minister who speaks his mind and is a realist! I am not a Congress supporter in any which way, BUT I SALUTE S.M.KRISHNA!

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    Sam Reply:

    >Afghanistan and the U.K are two countries which have never been occupied and ruled by a foreign power!

    Regarding Afghanistan this is not true.
    Most parts of Afghan were ruled by many different kingdoms.
    Muarya, Ashoka, Greeks, Kushans …..Moghuls, Sikhs ruled parts of Afghanistan..

    Look at the historic maps.
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_India

    Even UK was occupied by Romans. There are structures standing even today, which were built by Romans.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    The reason why Kashmir Valley ( Jammu and Ladhakh are already over whelmingly pro India ) should stay with secular India, is because India does not recognize the CRIMINAL ideology of Pakistan of nationhood based on religion.

    J&K already has a legally elected state government of the J&K citizens. Case closed.
    There will always be a few criminal Jihadis, many of them paid by criminal Pak.

    But the real reason may be that Pakistan has a juvenile desire for Kashmir and India would like to have Pak behave irrationally like a crippled state..

    More Pakistan wants Kashmir, the more it SELF-DESTRCUTS.

    So of course Kashmir valley will stay with India. Unfortunately I cannot say the same about Baluchistan staying with Pakistan or Pakhtoonistan staying with Pakistan.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Look in the mirror, and people of Kashmir do not except what you are writing. Thats why you have insurgency in your part and not in ours.

    Sam Reply:

    Give me like 100 crores or I can create bombings and insurgency in most parts of the world.
    Lot of Kashimiri’s are peaceful and do not want Pakistan to interfere.
    It is just a few misguided people doing it for money from Pakistan.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Bravo Sam you made sense couple of posts back but you are back to your normal self…..is it when you are drunk you make sense or the other way around.

    “I cannot drink water
    It is mingled with the blood of young men who have died up in the mountains.
    I cannot look at the sky; It is no longer blue; but painted red.
    I cannot listen to the roar of the gushing stream
    It reminds me of a wailing mother next to the bullet-ridden body of her only son.
    I cannot listen to the thunder of the clouds It reminds me of a bomb blast.
    I feel the green of my garden has faded Perhaps it too mourns.
    I feel the sparrow and cuckoo are silent Perhaps they too are sad.” ? A Kashmiri Poet[1]

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Shah Mehmood’s Qureshi’s eyes had a moron’s mischievious glint as he said, “we have asked India to present its magistrates and policmen to present themselves in Pakistan for appearing before the Pakistani courts….”

    He knows this will never happen because if it does, the Pakistani courts will use it as an opportunity to make fun of the Indian police and legal system.

    So in the end the Pakistani Charade of punishing the guilty and perpetuaters of 26/11 will always remain a charade.

    How can we ever- ever trust such a people?

    Instead, let us concentrate on building our military might, setting our house in order– in terms of Naxalism. And brutally and swiftly punishing all terrorists which we capture from Pakistan.

    Slowly but surely, China and US are the two superpowers who are going to rule the world. We should aim to be the third.

    I forsee a lot of terrorism and violence in Pakistan adn Afghanistan in the coming years.

    Let us aspire to becom strong– both as a soft power and a hardnosed military power– so that “Koi humse panga na le…”

    Our soft power should be such that we can attract the young minds of Pakistan to emulate us so that they ditch their mullah- army- jehadi-ISI style country and want to become like India.

    Sam Reply:

    How to help Hindus/Sikhs in Pakistan ?

    Maybe Indian govt should help them to move to India and resettle them in J & K.
    that will restore Hindu population, as a lot of Pandits have left that state.

    Sam Reply:

    @azhar
    You are wailing so much for muslims in Jammu&Kashmir.

    Would you do the same for Hindu pandits from that state also ?

    Would also wail for millions massacred in Bangladesh ?

    vijay kumar Reply:

    @Azhar Hussain….

    How was yesterday night…. hope the donkeys and horses will not complain to SPCA and PETA for all the pain they undergo in Pakistan.

    Or is it that horses are actually riding on man in Pakistan…. ???

    Next time you do a cut and paste, I can paste two for evry artcle you copy. The listing for google and animal sex/ horse sex/ donkey sex in Pakistan itself is 115,000 now…

    Neigh !! Neeigh.. !! Dhaeenchoo dhaenchoo… So mauch for Pakistan claiming to be a “Pak” sthaan..

    Ha ha ha… what a country !! :)

  • Rajiv

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    Pak columnist : Blame all Pak criminality on the Mughals !
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    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20107\15\story_15-7-2010_pg3_4
    Partition and the Mughals.
    By H Khalid

    Almost 63 years have passed since the bloody partition of British-controlled India to create two new nations of India and Pakistan, which even though taking birth from a single mother, remain hostile to each other. The seeds of distrust that were sown at that time mar the relations between these two countries to date, and the result takes a heavy toll on the development agenda of the South Asian region. There is mistrust, and each and everything that is wrong within the bounds of one’s country is imagined to be the conspiracy of the other. Had the partition been peaceful, it is safe to imagine that perhaps the mutual understanding between these two countries would have been much more amicable.

    However, there are still many questions pertaining to the slaughter and abduction of millions during the partition that baffles historians and social scientists. After having lived together peacefully for centuries, how did one’s neighbour become abominable overnight, worthy of an excruciating death? Another question with special pertinence to Punjab is that even though the cause of friction was developments between the Hindus and Muslims, how did more riots take place between the Muslims and the Sikhs?

    It is, therefore, illogical to conclude that all the violence that erupted on the eve of partition was a result of the developments of a few years. History takes hundreds of years in the making, and that is what culminated in the bloodshed during the partition of British-ruled India.

    A while ago, a friend of mine made an interesting remark, which became the lifeline for this article. He stated that the Mughal Emperor Jahangir was the reason behind the Sikh-Muslim riots in 1947. Jahangir assassinated the fifth Sikh Guru Arjun outside the Lahore Fort, and then had the audacity to boast about it in his autobiography, Tuzk-e-Jahangiri.

    The story goes as follows: Chandu Lal, a Hindu minister of the Emperor approached the Guru, while he was in Lahore, with a proposal for the hand of his daughter for his son. However, Arjun being a spiritual leader did not want to be associated with a politician, which is why he declined. Chandu could not bear this insult, and vilified the Guru in front of the Emperor. Later, when Jahangir’s son Khusrau rebelled against his father, he came to a langar of the Guru, where his force had food and then he received a tilak from Arjun as a blessing. When Jahangir heard this, he could not bear him any more, got him arrested, and sentenced him to capital punishment. He was subjected to inhumane torture before the punishment was carried out. In this one act, the Emperor laid the seeds for the transformation of a spiritual sect to a militant one. The Mughals murdered a prophet of Sikhism, creating a fissure between themselves and the Sikhs, which was not to heal easily. One can imagine how the events would have unfolded had Jahangir not executed the Guru. Would the Sikhs have felt the same kind of outrage that they manifested at the time of partition?

    Mughal-Sikh relations received a further blow at the hands of an even more unscrupulous Emperor Aurangzeb, who killed all his brothers and imprisoned his father to get to the throne. He wanted to purge India of all its non-Muslim inhabitants, so a period of conversion followed, some by hook, some by crook. The Kashmiri confederate of the Emperor wanted to convert the Kashmiri Sikhs, however the Sikhs retorted that if their Guru, the ninth Guru of Sikhism Tegh Bahadur would convert, then all of them would. The Guru was captured, brought to Delhi and tortured. When he refused to abandon his religion, he was executed. He was beheaded publicly at the Chandni Chowk.

    Aurangzeb possibly played the worst role to foment Muslim-Sikh tension. Millions of Sikhs were beheaded and left to rot. It is said that even today if one digs the ground of Gurdwara Shaheed Gunj, located in Lahore, one would find hundreds of skulls from that era. This sanctuary remains an ode to those martyrs.

    The last blow came from the Nawab of Sirhind, Wazir Khan. He noticed that the last Guru Gobind Singh was establishing links with the Mughal Emperor, Bahadur Shah Zafar, which he could not tolerate. So he commissioned two Pathans — Jamshed Khan and Wasil Beg — to kill him, which they did.

    Sikh retaliation did not begin with the riots of partition, but much before that when a follower of Guru Gobind Singh, Banda Bahadur attacked many Mughal states, killing hundreds of Muslims. He wanted to avenge the death of his Gurus, and the torture of his sons. He is deemed as a Sikh martyr.

    Master Tara Singh, considered a hero by many Sikh devotees, was another political leader during the time of partition who tapped the repository of the existing Sikh-Muslim tension. On March 3, 1947, he unsheathed his kirpan and shouted anti-Pakistan slogans in front of a volatile crowd, which included hostile elements and some sympathisers. It is said that he also shouted that the time to avenge the death of the Gurus has arrived. He narrowly escaped from the venue, which was filled predominantly by Muslims.

    Ever since the creation of Pakistan, the Muslim-Sikh riots have been treated as an anomaly, explained by the wiliness of the Hindu scheming mindset. The truth however is not that easy to explain. The volcano that burst first during the era of Banda Bahadur, and then during Master Tara’s era, had been heating up for centuries — to be exact, since the execution of Guru Arjun, when it was first ignited by Emperor Jahangir. These neighbours did not become enemies overnight as a result of some conspiracy, but followed a historical trajectory that finds its roots in the Mughal Empire.

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    As to be expected, the most vile and criminal of all Mughal rulers, Aurangzeb, is considered a national hero in Pakistan and lauded as the best. While India praises Akbar, Pakistan history lauds the vicious Aurangzeb.

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    Ziauddin Shafi Reply:

    A historical perspective indeed of the Punjabi Muslim-Sikh-Hindu animosity. Crimes of the past do cast a shadow over the present but for how long should this continue? As is the welcome practice begun in the East – the Japanese apologising to the Koreans and then some western powers doing so to their former victims – I suggest the rulers of Pakistani Pujab should apologise to the Sikhs and the Hindus for the crimes committed during the Mughal era. That should assuage feelings to some extent and bring people closer to each other. If the Punjabi Muslim, Sikh & Hindu make peace with each other, all other problems between India and Pakistan would be resolved that much more easily.

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    Sam Reply:

    What good are apologies

    as long these things are there in islam, nothing will change.
    ================================================

    Muslims who kills a non-muslim is not subject to retaliation.
    THis is what Islam teaches to muslims..

    just based on this, these verses should be banned from civilized world and from all public space.

    http://revuse.wetpaint.com/page/Reliance+of+the+Traveller:+On+Killing+Offspring

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    Ziauddin Shafi Reply:

    The purpose of my suggestion is to strike a positive note with the hope that the Punjabi people and our countries move forward on the path of peace. There are thousands of websites who vilify Islam and millions who spread hatred of the religion – reviewing what they have to say and then defending my suggestion is neither my call nor take. So stick to the subject matter and dont jump with hatred from one subject to another. Moreover, stick your hatred up you-know-what.

    Sam Reply:

    Did you look at this site.
    This is the scanned and unaltered copy by an approved Muslim school.

    The hate is disgusting, and even worse is so -called moderate muslims still supporthing that..

    Sam Reply:

    @shafi
    these are not anti islamic sites.
    these are 100% translations (along with authentic stamps) from one of the oldest Islamic school.
    The people who translated this are one of the most highly respected islamic scholars.

  • vijay kumar

    Dear Azhar hussain ji :)

    here is some ct and paste to keep you occupied. As you guys try to make fun of India and try to downgrade India always…. why dont you introspect first??/

    PS : Are you guys so hard up that you have to resort to having “fun” with horses and donkeys??
    Is it halal or haraam? PETA may punish you …
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    By Kelli Morgan
    FOX News
    Tuesday, July 13, 2010

    They may call it the “Land of the Pure,” but Pakistan turns out to be
    anything but.

    The Muslim country, which has banned content on at least 17 websites
    to block offensive and blasphemous material, is the world’s leader in
    online searches for pornographic material, FoxNews.com has learned.

    “You won’t find strip clubs in Islamic countries. Most Islamic
    countries have certain dress codes,” said Gabriel Said Reynolds,
    professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Notre Dame. “It
    would be an irony if they haven’t shown the same vigilance to
    pornography.”

    So here’s the irony: Google ranks Pakistan No. 1 in the world in
    searches for pornographic terms, outranking every other country in
    the world in searches per person for certain sex-related content.

    Pakistan is top dog in searches per-person for “horse sex” since
    2004, “donkey sex” since 2007, “rape pictures” between 2004 and 2009,
    “rape sex” since 2004, “child sex” between 2004 and 2007 and since
    2009, “animal sex” since 2004 and “dog sex” since 2005, according to
    Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate
    data based on popular search terms.

    The country also is tops — or has been No. 1 — in searches for
    “sex,” “camel sex,” “rape video,” “child sex video” and some other
    searches that can’t be printed here.

    Google Trends generates data of popular search terms in geographic
    locations during specific time frames. Google Insights is a more
    advanced version that allows users to filter a search to geographic
    locations, time frames and the nature of a search, including web,
    images, products and news.

    Pakistan ranked No. 1 in all the searches listed above on Google
    Trends, but on only some of them in Google Insights.

    “We do our best to provide accurate data and to provide insights into
    broad search patterns, but the results for a given query may contain
    inaccuracies due to data sampling issues, approximations, or
    incomplete data for the terms entered,” Google said in a statement,
    when asked about the accuracy of its reports.

    The Embassy of Islamic Republic of Pakistan did not reply to a
    request for an interview.

    In addition to banning content on 17 websites, including
    islamexposed.blogspot.com, Pakistan is monitoring seven other sites –
    - Google, Yahoo, Bing, YouTube, Amazon, MSN and Hotmail — for anti-
    Islamic content, the Associated Press reported in June.

    But it’s not to censor the Pakistani people, Reynolds said. It’s to
    shut out the rest of the world.

    “[It] could lead to conversion, which would undermine the very order
    of the state,” he said. “Part of protecting the society is making
    sure that there is no way it could be undermined in terms of foreign
    influences.”

    Pakistan temporarily banned Facebook in May when Muslim groups
    protested the “Everybody Draw Muhammad Day” page, where users were
    encouraged to upload pictures of the Prophet Muhammad. The page
    remains on Facebook, but Pakistani users are unable to view it, said
    Andrew Noyes, manager of Facebook’s Public Policy Communication.

    And while Pakistan is taking measures to prevent blasphemous material
    from being viewed by its citizens, pornographic material is
    “certainly” contradictory to Islam, too, Reynolds said.

    The country’s punishment for those charged with blasphemy is
    execution, but the question remains what — if anything — can be
    done about people who search for porn on the Web.

    “It’s a new phenomenon,” Reynolds said.

    More at:
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-...

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajiv, you are bigger fool, I have never nor any of my Pakistanis deny the problems the nation faces. I But intend it to show you your own ugly face, as long as I show you that I have done my job. Where as Pakistan is concerned no matter what you fools claim or say, we are strong enough to tell you on your face that you are not as strong as you may pretend to be.

    Now go back to your useless comments

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Vinod Besharma

    i would welcome a good criticism or a proper opinion from your side instead of any stupid comment.

    [Reply]

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Paritosh
    Brave comment from someone who cannot be part of any civilised debate. By the way, who bought you a computer?

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Ziauddin Shafi

    the only way Hindus and the Sikhs can be at peace after centuries of Muslim atrocities is by settling the score by massacring the Muslims. frankly to say , i was really really glad when Godhra riots occured. my happiness knew no bounds.
    you see Muslims do deserve such things. i wish even more should have been killed.
    Islam is the cancer , violence is the answer

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Shame on you. I’ve never come across any filthy and digusting and full of hate comments as these.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Why should Pk apologize ??

    What does Pakistan have to do with Mughal era atrocities by Mughal kings ?

    Nothing.
    Majority of Pakistanis are converts from Hinduism from recent past, ( last 200 years ) including Jinnah, Iqbal, Bhuttos etc.

    However, the distorted history that Pak has taught its people, I see, including some suspect degrees here, who think that Pakistanis are descendents of murderoius raiders like Mahmud of Ghazni, Mahmud of Ghori and take pride in that.

    Mughals are not to blame, its Pak state ideology as preched by its ISI-Mullah complex, that has distorted Pakistan.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Paritosh,

    Don’t confuse Islam with Pakistan.
    There are many Muslim majority nations, that do not attack and kill people of other religions or preach the kind of militant Islam that Pakistan state identifies itself with.

    In Pakistan too, I am sure you would find that a common man, has nothing to do with the Mumbai terrorists , the Pak state trained and sent.

    India’s problems with Pakistan stem from the hateful bigotry that Jinnah’s Muslim league preached and that has been multiplied by the Pak army/ISI that rule Pakistan.

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    Sam Reply:

    @paritosh
    excellent humour (hopefully)..

    muslims need to know, how they will feel when the roles are reversed.
    these constant talk of jihad, killing infidels, denying basic religious rights in 57 OIC countries…
    thse constant islamic terrorists…

    they will know, even it is for a few seconds, how it is to be a victim.

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    Sam Reply:

    @paritosh,
    At a basic level of “eye for an eye” you are 100% right.

    that is the most natural reaction of a victim.

    But we want to transcend that visceral reaction and go for a higher level conscious humane plan.
    That process is not perfect and can only be accomplished by people who are mature and can move forward.
    Unfortunately islamic thugs are stuck in “let’s kill all infidels as Koran tells us” mode.

    as long as your opponent is following a different strategy, there is no use another party operatinga at a higher philosophical level..

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  • vijay kumar

    Dear Usman and Zia,

    I think most Indians have been and continue to be proud to be secular.

    In fact one of the founding blocks of our country is letting all religions flower. India does and hopefully will always remain secular and set an example to other countries which tend to kill their minorites int he name of religion or forcibly convert them.

    So i am appealing to Paritosh not to insult any religion, but limit his attacks on people who kill, maim, forcibly convert, using reliong as a tool.

    However in certain sections there is a degree of exasperation about the jehadi and Pakistan terror unleashed upon our country. Unfortunately some of our Muslim leaders like Abdul Rehman Antulay betrayed us right at the point when the terror attacks were happening. And self appointed spokes people for Muslims like Arundhati Roy who would do anything for publicity (including writing an autobiography on her incestous sexual realtions with her brother) tended to make fun of the Mumbai attacks in her articles in The Guardian.

    Idiots like Jawed Naqvi, an Indian who writes in the Dawn, would make you belive that Pakistan is the secular country while India is the epicentre of all of the world’s evil. All for a few de-valued Pakistani rupees…

    Others came up wiith conspiracy theories that it really was Isreal and USA who were doing this.

    All this tended to make a section of Indians react against Islam. I hope this goes away. Somewhere Indian Muslims need to be more vocal in condemening terror emnating from Pakistan and say that we do not support it. We condemn the jehadis, the brainwashed morons .

    While HIndus, Sikhs and Christians of India have to wean away the small sections of Indian Muslims who have fallen pray to the evil ideology of hate practised by Pakistan.

    In the end you guys… Usman I think you are from Pakistan and maybe Zia is from India… need to as much as you and me to live in peace in the subcontinent.

    So let us make the efforts. But then all these problems have started from Pakistan. So we need to somehow coax and force it to change…

    Cheers

    Cheers

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    Sam Reply:

    These so-called secularists were praying that Mumbai terrorists were hindu
    (if not, atleast these islamic terrorists never get caught, so the truth is buried..)

    In the next event ISI will do it very tactfully, so that they are never caught.
    (or camouflaged with fake hindu symbols).
    Then secular politicians and ISI will work towards common goal of defaming Hindus.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Vijay,

    Thank you for your comments. Its been quite some time since we last indulged into a discussion … lets unfold and detract the issues chronologically. Regarding emination of terror – we have both staring at each other to admit we are responsible for involvement in your country. Pakistan is worldly accalimed to blow the whole world for an unknown agenda as if its posses the power and capacity to do it. What i believe is negating this. I’m not sure whether it makes sense for someone like you that a country that is responsible for sending out wide terrorist across the globe is infact the prime target of terrorism itself. So atleast we could have lived happily at home when we export terror out, but on ground reality its not the case.

    The substantial threat of destabalization in the region arises from the situation in Afghanistan, where everyone wants to have its share. The border between Afghanistan-Pakistan is a region (mainly mountinous terrain hiding unknown secrets). A lot of terror comes into Pakistan from that side. Who supports that and on what grounds is a big question. We believe these are carefully orchestrated established anti-Pakistan elements that are being properly funded and trained for specific multi cause harm. In the situation to come we’ll witness more of clarity when US will under take operation in Kandahar alot depends upon Pakistan where tensions and difference signs are near to rise.

    Why India is a prime target of terrorist activities especially 26/11 incident and whether Pakistan is involved is a skeptic issue. Again true reality lies at the hand of time which will make it more clear what were the causes of this incident. Even if Pakistani establishment is involved something which Indians believe this puts the meeting of foreign ministers more into doubt especially talks initiating from Indian side, where hardly year and a half has gone by and we see discussions for talks and even invitations for further combating issues. Inida believes there is no outcome of these discussions then why to play card is even more a clever move.

    Please quote some of your points to lead the discussion.

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  • Rajiv

    Javed Naqvi, writing in Dawn, I thought was from Pakistan.

    His columns often tend to be repugnant and vile with an anti-India agenda, masquandering as a columnist.
    I cannot fathom, how he could be an Indian. But then if Arundhuti Roy can be an Indian, so can Javed Naqvi.

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  • Rajiv

    @Vijay,

    A agree with your comments about a secular state and why India should always remain secular.
    Religions are like political ideologies.

    If the state identifies itself with a specific religion , its like fascism, where other ideologies or thoughts are excluded.

    However, the state has to make sure that religion is not used to undermine the secular nature of the state , and the political parties do not use religion as a tool. Jinnah’s Muslim leagues use of religion as a tool, unleashed some of the most vile acts in the subcontinent history.

    The challenge for India is to make sure that none of the political parties uses religion as a tool.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    so what you generally opine is that the same nonsense spoken by liberals. that “the Pakistani people are good. only its army , ISI and the terrorists are our enemies”

    my friend , in todays time we should not think this way. Pakistan is what it is and so its ordinary people. they all are our b-l-o-o-d-y enemies.

    as for Islam (pisslam) , its a satanic cult that has thrived through centuries by massacring and by committing atrocities and mass conversions. do you know , civilisations have lost their originality and culture after those conversions. just read Islamic texts and you would understand their hatred and anti-Muslim indoctrination

    @ Usman
    hate is something that you get in return when perpetrate atrocities. better if any Muslim doesnt open the garbage bin of his mouth over my comment

    [Reply]

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Paritosh,
    Judge people on their individual conduct. You cannot punish a son for the sins of his father.

    Just look at Turkey. You can find lot of sins that the Ottomons may have committed or kings of other religions may have committed in the historic past.
    But we should be dealing with conduct of people and nations as of now, not what happened in the past, even though its important to recognize history.

    I don’t find much wrong with how the approach Turkey has today regarding religion and its role in running a country. So things can change.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    “open the garbage bin of his mouth over my comment” writes the idiotic in this forum Paritosh. Garbage is what comes out of your month most of the time.

    A typical indian bozo, thats what you are.

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  • Rajiv

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    More Drama
    ——————————————————————
    As I read the news reports coming out of Islamabad, after the foreign ministers met, its clear that India is a willing fool, in Pakistan’s farcical prosecution of Mumbai terrorists.

    Ask yourself, why does Pakistan, which is supposedly prosecuting Mumbai attack masterminds, does not interrogate Mr Daood Gilani ( alias Headley ) in US custody , who has intimate knowledge about the Mumbai attack and its leaders ?? Why ?

    What is stopping Pakistan from using Daood Gilanis confession and sworn testimony in US courts to prosecute the terrorists in Pakistan ?

    The answer to that is , as Daood Gilani and evidense so far has shown, that 3-4 top Pak army/ISI officers were involved in planning and managing the attack. Thos officers have noiw been identified and named in news reports.

    So do you expect Pakistan to prosecute its own army and ISI officers, who were acting as per the orders and policy of the Pak state, as defined by its army and ISI ?

    So this is just a charade. May be a sartorically elegant drama to fool the willing fools.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    The enmity between India and Pakistan is only beacuse of Kashmir and the relations will remain bad as long as Kashmir will remain under Indian occupation….Kashmir never belongs to India..Nerho has tried to take Kashmir because he wanted to connect india to Central Asia but failed to take strategic part of Galigit Baltistan and all he got was the populated Kashmir Valley.

    Pak has never ever tried to take Indian Punjab, Rajhstan, Gujrat or Himachal Perdesh.

    And the Terrorism ( definition of “Terrorism” is debateable) is the price you pay for your illegal occupation of Kashmir and you will keep paying that price unless Kashmir gets freedom from Indian occupation..

    Indians will be fool (they are) if they think they will keep Kashmir by force and against the wishes of Kashmiris and then nothing will happen to them in return.

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    Sam Reply:

    @Sal

    the occupation of Kashmir by India is 100% legal.

    The occupation by Pak is 100% illegal.
    They did not get Maharaja’s permission.
    Even UN says, Pak army should vacate first.

    This is a thief talking morals (which Pak govt is good at..)

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    Sal Reply:

    @Sam

    Maharaja Hari singh acceded Kashmir to India then May I ask why did Nehro went UN and gave a proposal of pelebscite…Didnt he not know that Maharaja acceded Kashmir to India….

    Pak is ready to vaccate its Kashmir with a gurante of holding a plebescite in Kashmir but you first change your constitution which says Kashmir is India’s integral part..

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  • Azhar Hussain

    And Sam your puny brain tells you that Kashmiri struggle is going on in Azad Kashmir, right. What a joke of people you guys have become.

    Coming back to Afghanistan, your country betrayed the Afghans by supporting USSR because you guys were sitting in their laps then. And now when Uncle Sam you thing you helping the Afghans. Sam Uncle Sam and your gora NATO friends are getting the taste of Afghan War and they want to get out by next year. You guys better get out of there before uncle Sam leaves and Stay out.

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    Sam Reply:

    Will Islam or you support secular society and giving basic rights to Christians/Jew/Hindus in islamic countries ?

    YEMEN
    “…the General Election Committee has adopted a policy barring all non-Muslims from running for Parliament…”

    AFGHANISTAN
    “Citizens who convert from Islam to the Baha’i faith face risk of persecution, similar to that of Christian converts, up to and including the death penalty…”

    JORDAN
    “…the Government prohibits conversion from Islam in that it accords primacy to Shari’a, which prohibits Muslims from converting … The Government freely allows conversion to Islam…”

    ALGERIA
    “Ordinance 06-03, which entered into effect in September 2006 and has been enforced since February 2008, limits the practice of non-Muslim religions…”

    COMOROS
    “Proselytizing for any religion except Islam is illegal…”

    INDONESIA
    “Article 156 of the Criminal Code makes spreading hatred, heresy, and blasphemy punishable by up to five years in prison. Although the law applies to all officially recognized religions, the few cases in which it has been enforced have almost always involved blasphemy and heresy against Islam…”

    Here’s a list of Muslim-majority nations. I’m guessing that if you look at the State Department Reports, you’ll find that almost all of them legally discriminate against non-Muslims:

    Afghanistan – Albania – Algeria – Azerbaijan
    Bahrain – Bangladesh – Brunei – Burkina Faso
    Comoros – Chad -Djibouti – Egypt
    Gambia – Guinea – Indonesia
    Iran – Iraq – Jordan – Kazakhstan – Kosovo
    Kuwait – Kyrgyzstan – Lebanon – Libya – Malaysia
    Maldives – Mali – Mauritania – Mayotte – Morocco
    Niger – Nigeria – Oman – Pakistan – Qatar – Saudi Arabia – Senegal – Sierra Leone – Somalia
    Sudan – Tajikistan – Tunisia – Turkey = Turkmenistan
    United Arab Emirates – Uzbekistan – Western Sahara – Yemen

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    And Sam this is the first time you have made any sense….I whole heartedly agree with you that this is discrimination and definately not part of Islam….religion mixed with customs has made it a bad cocktail..bad drink

    [Reply]

    Sam Reply:

    >I whole heartedly agree with you that this is discrimination and definately not part of Islam

    So are you saying apostasy is not part of Islam ?
    are you saying Jews can enter makkah/madinah ?

    what part is not islam and what part is customs ?

    Rajiv Reply:

    If 27 of the say 30 Islam majority countries, discriminate against there own non Muslim citizens, as Pakistan does, what does it say about Muslim majority countries ?????????

    What is damning is that these countries, that discriminate against non Muslim citizens, claim to derive the inspiration from Islam !!!!!

    So is that part of Islam or are these Muslim majority countries ( From Pakistan to SaudiArabia to Hordan ) abusing and defaming Islam
    ?

    What is the self-evident answer ?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Obviously defaming and abusing Islam, but Rajiv when are you going to look in the mirrror.

    muslim bhagawat Reply:

    WHEN OMAR ABDULLAH CAN BE ASCENDED TO THE THRONE IN SHRINAGAR WHY RAHUL IS LEFT BEHIND? THE QUESTION EMERGES FROM THE SUCCESS OF OMAR WHO CLEVERLY DEALT WITH THE TROUBLE CREATORS IN KASHMIR.HE IS THE SON OF FARROUKH ABDULLAH AND DEALT WITH THE HURRIYAT INCLUDING PDP LEADERS MEHBOOBA MUFTI.HE HAS SHOWN THAT HE IS NO PRINCE CHARMING ANY MORE.WHEN WE CRITICISE THIS UPA II FOR INACTION,INEPT,NON GVERNANCE WE OUGHT TO KNOW WE HAVE BROUGHT THIS SITUATION.WHEN WE VOTED AGAIN THEM TO POWER IT SHOULD BE WELL KNOWN THAT THEY HAVE NO FEAR OF ANTI-INCUMBENCY FACTOR ANY MORE AND THEY STRONGLY IN A BELIEF THAT “THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE “ OF THM IN INDIAN POLTICS.But WHY SONIA GANDHI IS SILENT ON THE MATTER OF ASCENDENCY OF RAHUL GANDHI , HER SON TILL NOW?.HE IS SON OF RAJIV GANDHI AND SONIA GANDHI AND POLITICS IS IN HIS BLOOD AND GENES.IT HAS BEEN KNOWN TO EVERYBODY THAT MR.MANMOHAN SINGH IS A ECONOMIST PROFESSOR AND FORMER BUREAUCRAT WHO CAN NEVER WORK AND GOVERN LIKE A POLITICIAN.TO BE A PM YOU HAVE TO BE POLITICS IN YOUR BLOOD AND GENES TO RULE A COUNTRY LIKE INDIA.IN THE LAST 6 YEARS WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY DETERMINATION AND STRENGTH IN HIS GOVERNANCE AND ADMINISTRATION.IT SEEMS THAT HE IS PASSING HIS TIME TO MAKE WAY FOR RAHUL.BUT IF SONIA WOULDNOT CHANGE HIM IT WOULD BE TOO LATE.IN THIS PERIOD OF CRISIS IT IS NEED OF THE HOUR TO CHANGE THE PM AND BRING RAHUL AS PM OF INDIA SO THAT THE ANTI-INCUMBENCY FACTOR WOULD BE CLEVERLY WAIVED.IF THE CRISIS WOULD CONTINUE AND SONIA WOULD MADE BLUNDERS BY THINKING THAT SHE WOULD BRING HIM AT LAST MOMENT OF 2014 ELECTION BUT AT THAT TIME THE SITUATION WOULD HAVE WORSENED SO MUCH THAT SHE CANNOT REVIVE CONGRESS. ACUTE PRICE RISE, NAXAL AND MAOISTS PROBLEMS, KASHMIR SITUATION, HAVOC BY TERRORISTS AND EXTREMEISTS FROM MUSLIMS AND EXTREMISTS HINDUS WOULD MAKE HER PARTY SO MUCH UNPOPULAR THAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO GROUNDS.SO IT IS THE MOST OPPORTUNE TIME FOR SONIA GANDHI TO TAKE DRASTIC MEASURES AND BRING RAHUL AS PM.IT WOULD NOT ONLY WAIVE ALL THE ANTI-INCUMBENCY FACTORS BUT ALSO KEEP THE AAM ADMI IN GOOD HUMOUR.IT SHOULDNOT BE DELAYED ANY MORE AND THERE IS NO IF AND BUTS ABOUT IT.ALSO RAHUL GANDHI IS A BORN POLITICIAN.HE HAS LEARNT THE LESSONS FROM HIS MOTHER ABOUT THE GOOD GOVERNANCE .WHEN RAJIV GANDHI HAD TO TAKE OVER THE MANTLE OF PM AFTER HIS MOTHERS UNTIMELY DEATH IN 1984, HE WAS YOUNG AND INEXPERIENCED BUT HE HAD TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY AND BRING BACK CONGRESS WITH 2/3 MAJORITY.SO IT IS HIGH TIME THAT SONIA GET RID OF A INCOMPETENT,SLACK,INEXPERIENCED AND PROFESSOR /EDUCATIONIST PM.AS WELL HE IS NOT ELECTED DIRECTLY TO LOWER HOUSE BUT HAD GET ELECTED TO UPPER HOUSE AND GET THE POST OF PM , WHICH IS NOT IN PRACTICE IN PARLIAMENTARY FORM OF GOVT .SO SONIA HAVE TO ACT FAST FOR BRINGING HER PARTY BACK TO PUBLIC,IF CONGRESS HAS TO SURVIVE IN POLITICS.

  • vijay kumar

    @Azhar Hussain….

    How was yesterday night…. hope the doonkeys and horses will not complain to SPCA and PETA for all the pain they undergo in Pakistan.

    Or is it that horses are actually riding on man in Pakistan…. ??? :) :)

    Next time you do a cut and paste, I can paste two for evry artcli you copy. The listing for google and animal sex/ horse sex/ donkey sex in Pakistan itself is 115,000 now…

    Neigh !! Neeigh.. !! Dhaeenchoo :) dhaenchoo… :) So mauch for Pakistan claiming to be a “Pak” sthaan.. :)

    Ha ha ha… what a country !!

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  • http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

    The way foreign Minister of Pakistan dealt with the questions of journalists in the press meet on 15th July, it appeared that he mocks at us. His body language, speeches and talks lacks of transparency and honesty. It seems that he thinks himself as cleverer than our Foreign Minister. He has avoided to mention the progress on 26/11 case by Pakistan. He has blamed us for everything wrong of India. When it is known to all that they are not honest in their approach, why should we go to them with folded hands that kindly talk with us .It is highly unpalatable that a country like India goes with folded hands to Pakistan and asks forgiveness. Just, when the question was put for 26/11 he spiked it by his acerbic reply. He put whole blame on our Home secretary. So is not it a insulting to us. We want that peace should be restored in the borders, Pakistan, Kashmir and india.But the instrument of activation of peace is in the hands of Pakistan and they are not recognizing the facts and truth. They are inciting the poisonous trees in Pakistan i.e. JuD, LeT, HuM, Al-qaeda, Taliban etc to create problems in India by any means, allowed terror camps inside Pakistan and POK,pushing all the terrorists into our territory crossing LOC in Kashmir on the firing cover by pak army. In many instance we have seen that Pakistan PM and FM are more and more aggressive in their behavior and attitude against India. Although the president of Pakistan is not as such but he is now out of sight and out of mind by his low profile. When Pakistan is not ready to accept us as our friend how can we go for CBM. When he has got the mindset of an enemy it is impossible for us to turn it around. We are not his servants to obey his orders.We had never though as such of them also but they have always thinks themselves as a superman and have a superiority complex. If at all we are not ready to get ourselves strengthened militarily ,we may not succeed in getting a honest reply from them.

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  • http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

    India is predominantly a Hindu majority country but professing secularism as its religion as it is a multi religion country. But it is highly perturbed to note that all other countries from Muslim world do not think it as a secular country till date. They have not shown any benevolence to us .We have 15% of Muslims in 120 crores of population which is second largest population in world of Muslims. We have no good relations with majority of Muslim majority countries as they think us as a country of bigots. But have never treated their clan as such .Never in the history of India our people has any animosity for any Muslims. They are living in remotest corners of India in rural areas are living peacefully as a brother to all Hindus. But it is a fact wherever they are in a minority and miniscule status they are living peacefully but in the areas where they have majority in population they are aggressive. They never allow any Hindus to work in those areas and have their livelihood. They have made the areas as mini Pakistan.In Kashmir what has happened in the last 63 years everybody knows. The state comprises of three parts i.e. JAMMU (Hindu), Kashmir (Muslim) and Ladakh (Buddhist).Now why for the demand for the AZADI and freedom in Kashmir began? Who is behind the demand and if the parameter of a community being majority in a locality to demand freedom is being acceded to what would happen to Indian states? We have to analyze the issues in all perspectives. The Indian TV media is no doubt playing spoilsport in the matter of unity and integrity of India, as if India is not their country and its sovereignty is not of paramount importance for them.UPA govt has made so many mistakes in the last 6 years of its rule in India that the country is now gasping for breath. The whole apparatus of democracy is falling down. We have not voted it to power to ruin India and allow its disintegration on caste,linguistic and religion basis. The regular feature of parochial behaviors’ by UPA govt with Non-Congress ruled Govts at states are creating a divisive mentality. In Maharashtra the congress and UPA have allowed its pet MNS to howl and destroy the peace and tranquility in the state on the basis of the regionalism.MNS has directed its ire on Non maharashtrians and particularly on North Indians. Now it has started a campaign to change everything Indian to only maharashtrian.It would severely damage the unity and integrity of India but these myopic govt of UPA at state and centre are not seeing the perils.Again the MNS and SHS have started a new agenda for inclusion of some areas from Karnataka to Maharashtra on the basis of their linguistic majority. But what has been done before 55 years ago cannot be undone now by such demand. Only if the centre can set up the 2nd States Re-organization commission of re-drawing of boundaries of states and creation of smaller states ,it can be taken up and settled. The 1st states reorganization commission has done more harm to the national unity. It has not done its work properly and drawn the map of states as per the whims and fancies of its leaders or dictated by Nehru.Now the time has come for setting of the 2nd states re-organistaion commission so that the aspirations of the masses would be taken up and the boundary of the states be re=drawn and smaller states be created. Orissa has suffered by way of losing its linguistic areas to Bihar(Present Jharkhand) and MP(present Chhatisghar,WB and Andhra Pradesh, where in the oriya speaking people are finding it very difficult to accommodate themselves with the origin state. Likewise in Maharashtra the state has three such areas which are highly underdeveloped and needs to be created states. Vidarbha and Marathwada are examples of neglect and poverty.In UP the states are to be bifurcated in HaritPradesh and Bundelkhand.Hence the centre shouldnot fall prey to the demands of MNS and SHS and take strong actions on them for spreading hatred.They should be also de-franchised from election. Govt should take strong actions on any party ,individual who wreaks violence on peaceful people and state under anti national laws.

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  • http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

    Governor of Karnataka has created a constitutional crisis. He has asked the CM of Karnataka to dismiss two ministers from his ministry. But he should know that all are equal and all have the same rights. Corruption is not the sole and exclusive right of the congress and UPA ministers. Corruption is a cancerous virus that is killing all of us. But the Karnataka mining scam is not of corruption, but of nepotism and abuse of ministerial powers for profitable gains. The two ministers have been in the govt and are also having their mining business. They should not be allowed to remain in the govt as they have violated the clause “office of profit”. All the mines and mineral in India should be exclusive property of govt at centre as it has the exclusive rights on the gas from wells in deep sea. Why centre has not made any law to made all the minerals of all the mines exclusive property of centre as it has done with gas from well in deep sea. Moreover the governor of Karnataka has exceeded his brief as governor. He has been appointed by the president on the advice of cabinet at centre to work as governor only to help the state govt. He has no right constitutionally to ask or demand for resignation or drop of any ministers till they enjoys the confidence of the CM. Apart from the constitutional impropriety, the governor has done much harm to his party by keeping silent on the corruption by his colleague minister in UPA I , Mr.A.Raja who has made loss of 100000 crores of govt money to central govt in the allocation of 2g spectrum in dirt cheap rates to some of his chosen parties who had filled his party coffers,but now asking CM of Karnataka to take action on Reddy brothers. Mr.Bharadwaj,the then law minister had objected to his manipulations, but he(Raja) had side tracked his advices and also our PM was made to look like a buffoon by him as he had showed the confidential letters of PM. A few TV news channels has reported the scam in details and exposed the link between the middle-woman and minister In allocation of 2g spectrum as well super powers of super woman. But nothing happened to the minister who still enjoys the confidence of our PM.Coalition politics has played havoc with the central govt but in Karnataka it is not coalition govt but it is a BJP govt kept hostage by the Reddy family who had links with “YS JAGAN MOHAN REDDY” of Andhra and having his interests. It is also unbecoming for the UPA govt to destabilize the Karnataka govt on accusations of corruptions as they are themselves and some of their ministers are neck deep in corruption. All the corruptions during their regime from 2004 needs to scrutinize by next govt whosoever comes. Congress should not think that the country is their paternal property. They were ousted several times by the same voters who would not wink eyelid before throwing them once again. All the congress leaders should introspect themselves before submitting vague and false allegations on anybody.

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  • http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

    WE HAVE FAILED TO CONSERVE RAIN WATER WHICH IS GOING DOWN TO SEA UNWANTONLY.IF WE CAN CONSERVE 50% OF RAIN WATER EVERY YEAR THE COUNTRY CAN PRODUCE 50 TIMES MORE FOODS.BUT WE HAVE FAILED TILL NOW.IN EVERY AND EACH PROJECT ENVIRONMENTALISTS START POKING THEIR NOSE TO STOP IT.THE RIVERS AND PONDS REMAIN DRY.NDA GOVT EMPHASISED ON INTER-LINKING OF RIVERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BUT THAT GOVT WAS OUSTED BY US.SO WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN OUR OWN DEVELOPMENTS BUT ARE MORONS.WE SELFISH PEOPLE WANT THAT EVERY THING WE GET SHOULD BE FROM GOVT FREE OF COST.SO HOW CAN WE SUSTAIN.WE HAVE TO CREATE A LARGE SEA OF INFRASTRUCTURES IN EVERY ASPECTS OF DEVELOPMENST.IRRIGATION,WATER CONSERVE,HARVESTING,DAMS AND BARRAGES FOR OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FOOD PRODUCTION.WE HAVE TO CREATE HUGE STORAGE FACILTIES TO PRESERVE FARM COMMODIITIES SO THAT IT WOULD LAST FOR ONE YEAR TILL NEXT HARVEST ARRIVES.IT HAS BEE SEEN THAT FCI HAS NO GODOWNS FOR STORAGE OF WHEAT AND RICE AND ALL THESE PROCURED FOODS ARE STOCKED IN OPEN SKY AND A HUGE STOCK HAS BEEN DAMGED AND UNFIT FOR ANIMAL CONSUMPTION.SO IT OUR GOVERNANCE AND SYSTEMS.WHY NOT GOVT DIVIDES FCI INTO FOUR AND MAKE THEM PROFITABLE.IT IS A WHITE ELPHANT OF GOVT.ALL THE OFFICERS OF FCI ARE NOT ONLY CORRUPT BUT ALSO CRIMINALS.THEY HAD MADE IT A POOL OF CORRUPTION.FROM PADDY PROCUREMENT TO DISTRIBUTION BLATANT CORRUPTION GOING ON.NOTHING RUNS WITHOUT GREASING OF PALMS IN FCI.IT NEEDS TO PRIVATISED SO THAT IT CAN BE MADE PROFITABLE AND TRANSPARENT.WE WONDER WHAT IS THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF FCI.IT HAS FAILED IN ITS AIM.FOODS OF THOUSANDS OF CRORES GOING DOWN THE DRIASN BY THE CORRUPT OFFICERS OF FCI WHO NEVER WORKS FOR FCI BUT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES.IF CBI WOULD INVESTIGATE THEM ALL OF THEM MUST BE MULTI MILLINAIRES.WHAT TO SPEAK OF OFFICERS,THE LABOURERS ARE ASO MULTI MILLIONAIRS.THE CHIEF LABOUR UNION LEADER OF FCI IN ALL STATE ARE HAVING ABUNDANT WEALTH AND ARE BATHING IN GOLD.THEY HAVE CREATED THEIR SCHOOLS,COLLEGES,ENGINEERING COLLEGES AND MANY MORE INFRASTRUCTURES IN SERVICES SECTOR TO WHITE WASH THE BLACKMONEY.WE SAY LIBERALISATION IN ALL SECTORS BUT IN FOOD SECTOR GOVT HAS NOT ALLOWED IT TO BE FREED.IT HAS ITS TIGHT CONTROL. I DO WONDER WHY THE GOVT IS NOT ALLOWING FREEDOM TO FCI TO RUN ITS BUSINESS EFFECTIVELY WITH TRANSPARENCY. IT HAS CONTROLLED ALL THE ISSUES OF FOODSTUFFS TO FREE MARKET.THE GOVT SHOULD FIX A NORM FOR KEEPING RESERVE SOME FOODS TO BE DISTRIBUTED UNDER TPDS AND ALLOW THE FCI TO ISSUE THE REST FOODS IN FREE MARKET TO TRADERS AND FOOD PROCESSING UNITS.BUT IT NEVER DOES AND WHEN THE STOCKS GOT DAMAGED IT STARTS TO SELL THE DAMAGED FOODS WHICH HAVE NO TAKERS.SO IT IS A CRMINAL NEGLIGENCE ON THE PART OF THE GOVT,GCI AND ITS OFFICERS.WHY NOT CBI TAKES UP SUCH MATTERS.WHY NOT THE PM AND PRESIDNET GETS TO KNOW OF THE SQUANDERING OF GOVT FUNDS IN SUCH MISMAANGEMENT.WE HOPE THAT GOVT WOULD WAKE UP FROM DEEP SLUMBER SEEING THE TV REPORTS OF DAMAGE OF FOODS TUFFS STORED IN OPEN SKY BY DEVELOPING INFRASTRUCTURES BY PVT SECTOR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF LARGE GODOWNS AND ALLOW THE FCI TO TAKE THEIR HELP IN PRESERVATION OF THE STOCKS IN THEIR GODOWNS.ALSO FCI SHOULD ISSUE STOCKS TO OPEN MARKET EVERY MONTH WITHOUT ANY ORDERS OF GIVT SO THAT THE OLD STOCKS BE DISPSOED OFF FIRST AND NEW STOCKS LATER. GOVT SHOULD FIX RESPONSIBILTY ON ITS FCI OFFICERS FOR CRIMINAL NEGLECTS.
    IF CENTRE WOULDNOT TAKE STEPS FOR CREATION OF INFRASTRUCTURES FOR STORAGE OF FOODSTUFFS IN GODOWNS EITEHR IN PVT SECTOR OR GOVT CENTRE OR UNDER PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THE PROBLEMS OF FOOD DAMAGE WOULD NOT BE SOLVED.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Rajiv

    javed is from India. A former marxist he tends to pick up the most negative news from India in his columns in The Dawn and somehow tries to tell the Pakistanis that you guys are better of.

    For India, his prescription is– you guys are bad because you are not secular enough or Marxist enough

    For Pakistan his view is– you don’t have to be Marxist since you follow Islam. And I will never touch upon the conversion of Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs and Christians of Pakistan. Neither will I bother about the killing of Shias, baluchis, Ahmediyas and the medivial treatment of women. As long as you give me a few devalued Pakistani rupees.

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  • http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

    WE REPRODUCE THE SPEECH OF GENERAL VKSINGH FOR ALL OUR VIEWERS TO KNOW THAT HOW OUR GOVT WORKS FOR KASHMIR’S UNITY AND INTEGRITY WITH INDIA.

    Army chief General VK Singh on Sunday said the “basic reason” for the prevailing tension in Jammu and Kashmir was the inability to build on the “gains” that had been made.
    “So far as the Army is concerned, I think as security forces, a lot of work has been done. The situation has been brought to a particular level when other initiatives should have started to make way for betterment,” he said when asked about measures required to check the violence in the valley.

    “The Kashmir situation has been tense for quite some time and reasons are many. The basic reason being that we have not been able to build on the gains that have been made,” Gen Singh told a TV news channel.
    Elaborating on the steps required, he said, “First of all, there has to be concerted efforts to identify the miscreants… There are few. There are people who are passing instructions on phone. They have to be identified. There are people financing the protests. They must be identified.
    “After that, starts how do we connect with the common man and build confidence in him so that he can stay away from all this. Now this is both an administrative measure as well as it depends on the elected leaders out there at various levels,” the Army Chief said.
    “And last but not the least, if you want to impose curfew or something for containing a particular area, it has to be total. You can’t have a half-hearted measure,” he said.Asked whether the Army was deployed as a deterrent to curb the violence, he said, “I think there was a sort of loss of confidence and they thought that Army should be seen more prominently. Probably that is what… “We said yes (to the deployment) as we are as much concerned as anyone else…Army is already there. It is already carrying out (operations) with the CRPF, with the police in conjunction with the state. So we are there for various things and we are helping them,” he said.
    Chief Minister Omar Abdullah had yesterday said that the Army, which was deployed in certain parts of Srinagar last week to assist the civil administration, may be withdrawn from the streets soon.
    He said the state government was using the Army in the “extreme periphery” and the presence of the force was not more than six or eight columns (600-800 personnel).

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  • vijay kumar

    Hey Muslim Bhagawat…

    Can you shorten your comments. Or at least not put them in Caps, as it breaks off the continuity of debate.

    Sorry, no offence. Just putting things in the right perspective.

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  • vijay kumar

    Good Suggestion.

    One solid way out is first divide J& K in three states. Jammu and Ladakh should be made to have large areas. Then the small area of Kashmir where terrorists are active should be fortified.

    With better governments in Jammu and Ladakh they would also become part of India shining….

    WE can resettle the persecuted minorities of Pakistan like Hindus, Sikhs, Christians,Ahemediayas, Shiaas, Baluchis and even women in Kashmir which would be reduced to the size of Delhi, after the split. Even witers, POP musicians, dancers and freedom lovers of Pakistan who live under the trauma of jehadi-ISI ryuled country can be given space here.

    Some Kashmiris who love Pakistan more can be sent there in exchange of the persecuted minorites of Pakistan.

    An area of 2100 sq km would also be easy to mange by the army and police

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    Sam Reply:

    ladakh is more thank 45% of India’s J & K area.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jammu,_Kashmir_and_Ladakh.JPG

    I think kashmir is 30-35% only.

    Indians should just say, the problem in J& K is just in Srinagar area, which is a minority area.
    the muslim population is about 5 million, out of which only a small minority is violent.

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  • vijay kumar

    We can also despatch I K Gujral, Kuldeep Nayar, Khushwant Singh, Jawed Naqvi, AR ANtulay, Arundhati Roy, to the land of the pure… where they can breathe freely and spend the remaining years of their life in “PAK” bliss while sharing meals with the Taliban… :) :)

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    Sam Reply:

    @vijay
    that is a great idea..
    all the Pak lovers should move to Kashmir valley and start enjoying the bliss…

    If we resettled Hindu/Sikh refugees in 1947, we probably would not be having today’s problems in terror/jihad valley..
    those refugees would have been better than the peaceful Kashmiri Pandits..

    Again,,,
    how to help Hindus/Sikhs in pakistan ?

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  • B.V.SHENOY

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    I had earlier posted three comments in reply to Naveed, Azhar Hussain and Marc. They were civilised, decent and to the point. Still, all of them first appeared with the proviso, “subject to moderation”. I have read much in this blog that is offensive, explosive, indecent, objectionble and even at times unprintable and yet you have allowed all of them to be freely read, obviously without any moderation. Why then are my posts ’subject to moderation”?

    If you hold something against me for any earlier transgressions, will you kindly let me know on my e-mail ID, so that I will not bother to read your blog/articles in future, saving myself the botheration and urge to “comment”ans saving you the need to “moderate”. And let us say quits.

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  • vijay kumar

    I would even say let us request the Pak lovers to move to Pakistan…. maybe MIngora, Rawalpindi or Peshawar….

    HIndus Sikhs from Pakistan can be settled in Kashmir

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  • Rajiv

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    Dialogue to build trust , breaks down in 24 hours !
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    What a joke.

    So what do you expect when you engage a criminal and depraved entity like ISI/Pak army in talks through their department of begging , called the foreign office ?

    Do not engage the criminal and fake-degree Pakistanis. The entire entity, already reduced by 1/2 at war over much of its remaining area and surviving by begging, is based on lies, deceit and ideology of sin.

    The best course is to avoid them , as you avoid a known thug.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    No joke these were meant to be like this. If India announces it is coming to Pakistan with open mind and with all open options the very next day it contradicts to it by saying no option except for 26/11. So India never came for all options on the table or for building trust. the joke is to show the world we engage with criminal entity despite being first door victim of terror and even to win more support in international arena. Mere political reasons. Clever move by fox.

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  • Rajiv

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    Pakistan Government paid 25 Lakh rs to Lashker-E-Toiba to buy the boat that carried the
    criminal Pak terrorists to Mumbai..
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    ISI paid Rs25 lakh to LeT to buy boat to attack Mumbai: Headley tells NIA
    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_isi-paid-rs25-lakh-to-let-to-buy-boat-to-attack-mumbai-headley-tells-nia_1410707

    New Delhi: In revelations that clearly show ISI role in the 26/11 attacks, Pakistani-American terrorist David Headley has told his interrogators that the Pakistani intelligence agency had paid Rs25 lakh to the Lashkar-e Taiba (LeT) to purchase a boat which terrorists used to travel from Karachi.

    Headley also identified through voice sample test two ISI officers who handled the 10 terrorists who carried out 60-hour attack in Mumbai on November 26, 2008.

    Giving these bits of information on the basis of interrogation of Headley carried out by an NIA team recently, official sources in New Delhi said the ISI role in the attack was very clear from the revelations made by the LeT operative who is in the custody of FBI.

    The ISI had paid Rs25 lakh to the LeT for purchase of a boat which was used by the 26/11 attackers to travel from Karachi to the Pakistani maritime boundary, where they hijacked an Indian fishing boat ‘Kuber’ to reach Mumbai.

    Sources said Indian investigators also have information that chief of ISI Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha had met one of the handlers of the Mumbai attack, Sajjid Mir, who is currently in a Pakistani jail.

    “All these information have been shared by India with Pakistan through the multiple dossiers given to it,” a source said.

    Home secretary GK Pillai had earlier stated that ISI was “literally controlling and coordinating the (Mumbai) attack from beginning to end”.

    Headley, who is currently in US custody, had done the recce of several terror targets in Mumbai during his multiple visits to India for the LeT which carried out the 26/11 attack.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Boy you guys love your own stories, bollywood type. I still can’t stop laughing watching indian news channels showing 11/26

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Azhar Saheb
    It is very sad to say that you laugh when you watch 26/11 played on Indian channels. Do you laugh equally when 9/11 are played on a tv channel? That is why you can not appreciate and understand the pains of any one. Rather you have a nice time when someone is in pain and suffering. Did you also have a laugh when Data Darbar shrine in Lahore was attacked by suicide bombers? If you do , then I do not blame your sadistic nature but only the genes which make you immune from the pain of such sufferings.
    BNA

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    Sam Reply:

    Muslims will undertand pain only when Macca/Madinah is bombed and pilgrims targeted and gunned down…

    Their highest holy places were not bombed and targeted.
    (i know several bombings/killings, but allmost all of them were by muslim perpetrators.)

    The right wing people in USA are asking for Nuking Macca/Madina if another 9/11 is tried on USA.

    Do not be surprised by America’s resolve to “set this right”..
    When America and Europeans patience is tested, muslim will get the biggest surprise in their whole history..

    It just takes 2 minutes for US/Europe to finish off this sickness…

    Unfortunately jihadists also will welcome, assuming this will help their cause..

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    @Azhar,
    Cut out such remarks. Laughing when innocent lives are being butchered is no matter of joke. You and I both know that it was Pakistan who condemned first on 26/11.

    Sam Reply:

    Sometimes when muslims condemn violence against infidels, we have to read their full statements.
    There is always some loop hole in that condemnation and it is never applies for violence on non-muslims.

    I always want to read the full and 100% statement, not the news media’s headlines.
    What they in their full statement is part of Taqiyya to fool Infidels.
    They want to look they are condemning without really condemning..

    for example, they say.
    we condemn unjustified violence on innocents.
    they never define what is justified or who is an innocent..

  • http://deleted Sal

    Eight Indian states account for more poor people than in the 26 poorest African countries combined, a new measure of global poverty has found.

    The Indian states, including Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal, have 421 million “poor” people, the study found.

    This is more than the 410 million poor in the poorest African countries, it said.

    The Multidimensional Poverty Index (MPI) measures a range of “deprivations” at household levels.

    Developed by Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI) with UN support, it will feature in the upcoming UNDP Human Development Report.

    The measure assess a number of “deprivations” in households – from education to health to assets and services.

    “The MPI is like a high resolution lens which reveals a vivid spectrum of challenges facing the poorest households,” said OPHI director Dr Sabina Alkire

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal…

    The Indiex puts Pakistan at the rank of 97 in poverty while India is only 62.

    We have a good education system and rapid elctrification going on. And a growth rate of 9.5%.
    Pakistan fgrowth is 1 %, population growth is 3.2% and annual growth of Taliabn and jehadis is 25%.

    Soon we would be climbing the index, and Pakistan sinking as usual :)

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    imran Reply:

    and dear what abt ur maoist,naxals growth…….dont forget them or u will be at no one…..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    dear imran,

    The naxal problem is getting solved. More development and democracy… which your country lacks — will tke care of it.

    Yes Taliban cannot be solved as they are born out of sexual frustrations as the rich in your country marry four times, leaving few women for Talibani suicide bombers, who are then asked to blow themselves up as they would never get any fun on the earth, but plenty in jannat…:)

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Rajiv

    you may not agree with me on punishing the future generations of those who committed atrocities , but there isnt any other way to show retribution. if we dont do so the those people who were the victims in the past , will get no justice. the statement , that the perpetrators and the victims are dead and hence makes no sense in killing the future generations , is completely absurd.

    as for individual conduct , i do agree with you friend. but you know, atleast a 90% of Muslims show a kind of a collective behaviour , as if though its one single person and not individuals. this behaviour is something that killed millions and millions of non Muslims in the the Middle ages , its the behaviour that has created terrorism that is killing many innocents today as well.

    in today’s “democratic” “secular” Turkey , not only the government but also the ordinary people deny the genocide of the Armenians. whats the use of such pseudo democracy and pseudo secularism???

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    That is exactly why your indians are dieing to live in the Mid east. Almost a million unidans reside in the Gulf, dieing to die in those Muslims countries and millions others dieing to get there.

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    Sam Reply:

    being born into poverty is nothing to be ashamed of.
    indians are not going to Mid east to bomb and terrorize those people, rather they are working on building those places..

    if islamic thugs did not levy jizya on hindus, they would not have been this poor.
    But Hindus do not complain and cry, inspite of all the atrocities committed in the name of Islam..

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Sam

    right said friend. if one group of people doesnt reciprocate the same proper way the other community does , then it makes no sense for the former to be well behaved. sometimes i really do feel that we Hindus are ourselves responsible for the sorry state which we are suffering.
    the solution to the problems of Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs is the only one to liberate them by attacking this Muslim land of Porkistan. there seems to be no other solution to this painful and serious dilemma.

    our govt doesnt care for the Hindus of India. what the heck will it do for those living in Porkistan and Bangladesh!!

    @ Vinod Besharma
    if expressing anger is being uncivilized in your opinion , then i guess you are a moron who likes to keep the cool of his mind even in the most unacceptable situation. i have purchased the computer with my own money , unlike you who must be getting hand to mouth from Congress

    Azhar Soower Hussain
    i feel bad for my “garbage mouthed comment” . Porkistanis are themselves garbages besides being pigs. by the way what are you?? a porki piece of garbage or a P-a-k-i pig?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Paritaosh sorry to show you the mirror and that in turn showed your ugly face which your mama has been hiding.

    Now get back to your barking on the net, which is very safe for a coward like you

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    Sam Reply:

    @paritosh

    How about asking for some kind of reparations from Muslims.
    Like Germany paid for Israel for all the atrocities committed on jews.

    Maybe Muslims should be taxed extra and that money should be given to Hindu religious organizations ?

    Maybe Muslims should also be taxed for terrorism, for all the extra govt expenditures ?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    You guys need some petro dollars from Muslims of the Mideast.

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    Sam Reply:

    it should from muslims in pak, who carry the banner of Ghori and other islamic thugs.

  • Rajiv

    @Paritosh,

    You don’t have to punish the likes of Azhar.

    Just isolate them as a vile disease and quarantine them. They say, why dirty your hands by dealing with a rat ?
    Even though Jinnah was a political criminal, he did a good job for India because he helped create an entity were religious bigots could experiement and took like minded bogots with him.
    Its his experiment thats today derided in the world and known as Pak.

    The western world has woken up to the bigotry practiced in many Muslim countries.
    Sooner or later this religious based and sanctioned criminality will have to be faced and isolated like apartheid regimes were.

    That day will happen and the likes of Azhar will only hasten it. All India has to do is to keep the vile Pakistanis like Azhar quarantined in the entity Jinnah’s bigotry created.

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  • Usman Chaudhry

    Who knows better situation arising in Afghanistan then Gen Hameed Gul, former ISI head and man behind all covert and overt operations during Afghan-Russian war.

    In a discussion on a private news channel Gen Hameed Gul, senior political and regional indian analyst Saeed Naqvi and indian defense analyst Air Vice Marshal Kapil Kak were discussing situation arising in Afghanistan. Naqvi cautioned Pakistan for next american move by sending Hillary and Robert Gates and about the situation of showcase operation in Kandahar. Will Pakistan go for North Waziristan? Gen Gul resisted describing serious consequences if Pakistan and should not co operate at any means as the Americans and NATO is not going to follow us and wants more animosity to build up. He believes US and India are a piece of past now. India still has some time to pull out of Afghanistan if wants to save its skin. Kapil Kak was mere spectator with typical same indian mantra….

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Hamid Gul is a gutter idiot, one of the many the Pak establsihment produces.

    Why quote him on anything ?

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Hamid Gul was the gentleman who was the ISI head, when we were able to kick your father in law from Afghanistan

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    selling heroin to the world was his prescription. It fits in perfectly with the Pakistani vision of becoming world champions in all the evil, vile activities… :)

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Usman
    I hope addressing you like this is o.k with you.
    Surprisngly even Gen Gul was very critical of the way the Pakistan FM put the statements of Hafiz Saed and the Home secretary of India in the same basket. I myself heard him saying so on one of our TV channel. After all, Mr. Pillai made the statement of ISI collaborating with LeT on the basis of the statement of Mr. Headley during his interrogation by our NIA team in the presence of FBI team. Whereas Hafiz Saeed made jihadi statement.
    Otherwise, the desperation and nervousness of Mr. Quereshi was visible and pitiable. He lost his balace of a pleasant personality as he felt defeated at the talks . May be he had boasted to the Pak establishment of his plans of extracting all the assurances from the Indian delegation under a fixed time-frame to sort out Kashmir , Siachin , water, Kashmir and so many other issues. Well, he felt very defensive when outmarted by Indian delegation and then resorted openly to some undiplomatic language and making personal remarks about Mr. Krishna at a press conference.
    I look forward to your views.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Dr Anand,

    Yes it is o.k with me and perfectly normal. Thanks! :)

    Well im not aware of Gen Gul’s that statement but it sure was more disappointment on FM Qureshi’s part then being defensive. We believe the difference was felt with Mr Pillai’s statement a day before arrival of Mr Krishna. The contradiction came with two set of thoughts where it was made to believe that India is coming with open agenda and all options on the table. But overnight it turned out that only 26/11 is the reason that India is here for. Well, had that been the case then why so much high profile? Let the case take its normal course, already there is trial in Pakistan for seven held in custody we’ll wait for that and then engage further.

    It sure was blunt on FM Qureshi’s part for accusing India ‘not serious’ and only for glare. Maybe because he believes indian move is to let the world know that India is still engaging with Pakistan despite victim of its terror spil. He now has made clear and raised doubts on his visit to New Delhi if it has to follow the same prints on what happened in Islamabad. Large masses on both side believe there is no reason to indulge in talks right now.

    Usman

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  • Rajiv

    Hamid Gul is the same idiot who claims 9/11 is a CIA job.
    In fact, polls show, large number of average Pakistanis believe that too !

    http://www.dirkbradshaw.com/?p=189363

    This moron has zero credibility and you can be sure that only garbage comes out of him.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    So what is the impression in India that who is behind 9/11?

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Certainly NOT you, Usman Bhai

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    I liked this light hearted response.
    BNA

    Paritosh Reply:

    to all fellow Indian blogger brothers

    here’s a possible solution for the Kashmir problem
    1-increase military and armed security presence in the valley. provide them with all latest equipments , weapons , training and infrastructure.

    2- send high level spies in the valley disguised as Kashmiris to figure out the origins of different trouble making groups like stone pelters and anti-India speech givers. besides strengthen military intelligence. both the civilian spies , military intelligence and the Centre should be will co-ordinated with each other

    3- make a law that any leader or a person making anti-India speeches shall be arrested and jailed.
    4- make ordinary Kashmiris believe that the separatist leaders are responsible for their miserable lives and make and implement plans to

    Paritosh Reply:

    the above is a typing mistake . please ignore. read the one below

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear donkey lover Sal,

    India grows at 9.5% while jihadi {akistan grows at 1%,

    The population of India grows at 1.4% and that of suicide bombing Pak at 3.2%

    Plus your taliban grows at 25% every year…

    Only a jihadi moron will bet that Pakistan is better economically :)

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Thank you Shenoy for light remark, i was living under impression it was me.

  • Rajiv

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    Report of reasons of talks breakdown..
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    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pakistan-s-all-or-nothing-timeline-trap-broke-talks-India/H1-Article1-573478.aspx


    Diplomats of the two countries had carried out “painstaking preparations” for a number of confidence-building measures like the exchange of imprisoned fishermen and people-to-people movement across the Line of Control. These were expected to have been rolled out on Thursday in Islamabad.

    Instead, Pakistan sprung a “trap”. It proposed a fixed timeframe for solving all the eight issues of the composite dialogue, including Kashmir and terrorism. Pakistani foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, on Thursday, had spoken of timelines that concluded by November. India saw this as hopelessly impractical.

    ………………..

    Is Qureshi an uncouth idiot like Hamid Gul or just clueless ?

    Why doesn’t he RESOLVE the following issues in 6 months first

    1. Establish democracy in Pakistan where the ISI/Army report to civilian govt
    2. End religious discrimination enshrined in the constitution of the Islamic republic
    3 End Pak state sponsored terrorism . Take action against LeT, JeM, etc
    4 Resolve Baluchistan seperatist movement
    5. Resolve War inside Pakistan in Waziristan and many other areas

    and Resolve a thousand other issues the failed state of Pak faces , tottering for its survival, before a time line is set for resolving differences with India ?? I mean he should be able to resolve issues at home. Right ?

    By the way, how can India ever set a timeline, about when the grieviences that the criminal entity of Pakistan has against India will end ?

    Its absurd. Could that be a outcome of a fake degree too ?

    Dialogues will never succeed against a wilful dishonest and thug entity like Pakistan.

    Zero contact, is the only sane option.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Its because we Pakistanis will not bow to you Buniyas. Another superpower bites the dust in Afghanistan, and buniyas start rona dhona.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Pakistan is already eating the dust of the s_ _ t of taliban, killers, jehadis and murderers :)

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  • jai vaidya

    Vinodji,
    We all know “Pakistan is not a country with an army, but an army that has a country.” Then why talk to the jokers of this circus, and not the owners?
    Pakistan, as we know is two entities or states. For argument’s sake let us call the second entity Na pakistan So the question arises how to deal with Pakistan and Napakistan. Firstly Napakistan is more powerful than Pakistan.It can easily kill its president’s opposition leaders, journalists, other leaders and anyone in civill society. Napakistan creates someone in the Pakistan leadership to act as its cat’s paw. within PakistanThat cat;’s paw today is Shah Mehmood Qureshi. The two jobs that Napakistan has entrusted to him is protecting Napakistan from the damning UN report that accuses Napakistan in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, and of fending off India’s accusations into now NaPakistan’s execution of the Mumbai Massacres.
    If you look at American diplomacy, they have clearly understood this. They are sending separate sets of diplomats and interlocutors to Pakistan and NaPakistan.
    What has India’s response been? Send Don Quixote and Sancho Panza for negotiations? The wig conscious S.M. Krishna and the guitar – strumming Joan Baez wannabe
    Two things need to change. Our foreign policy establishment with regard to Pakistan and NaPakistan has to have a military intelligence component of let’s say 35%. 5% of religious experts and 60% of S.M. Krishna’s and Nriupna Rao kind. However, when dealing with Napakistan tHE ARGUMENTS OF THE 35%+5 GROUP MUST PREVAIL.

    Napakistan isd on a collision course with India. The low-intensity war has been going on for a while, and they doon’t give a damn about what happens to Pakistan , as long as their state survives.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Are all undians into these childish comments. Low-intensity war will continue till you guys vacate Kashmir.

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    Sam Reply:

    @azhar
    are you part of ISI or pak govt ?
    otherwise how you can make these statements, threats, …

    with pak people it is always..
    we are right because allah said so.
    if you do not vacate , …. (as we say these are muslim lands, eventhough other religions have a longer historical claim)..
    we will kill all infidels in a jihad.

    we are a religion of peace, once you give us what you want.
    otherwise it is a 1000 year jihad until we subjugate you..

    It is high time, the world start considering banning islam as a religion.

    the whole world is sick of islam and want to get rid of this pain..

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Azhar…

    You spent the last last night. with a donkey or horse, did’nt you !! Neigh!! neigh !! or dhaenchoo! dhanchooo….:)

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  • Sam

    For all Pakistani jihadists.

    The people who bombed the dargah did for some other reason than money ?

    Maybe they hate the fact that a Kafir Hindu paid for electrifying Data Darbar ?
    How can the lights paid by an infidel be allowed to operate ?

    Maybe they did not intend to kill peaceful muslims, when they were trying to blow off the lights.
    Unfortunately maybe some muslims obstructed them.
    From the frustration of that obstruction, they had to kill those people who did not let them practice true islam ..

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Azhar Soower Hussain

    Indians go to the Middle East for work to earn petro dollars, but also form a large group of workers who are easy to hire and are hardworking as well. these Indian workers contribute to the economies of those Arabic Pisslamic (Islamic) nations. we have obliged them. even in those Arab countries , Muslim Porkistanis are considered insincere and lazy.
    You Pakistani pigs arent hard working but create law and order problems over there. ask any Arab industrial employer and you will get the same reply.

    mirror is shown to those who dont accept the truth. there is nothing unacceptable in the case of Indians , and we accept whatever hard reality we have to face.

    it is you Porkistani pigs who are deluded to the most extreme level and know nothing about the historical and political reality of your own country. you call us Baniya.
    do you know what exactly majority Pakistani Muslim people are??
    DESCENDANTS OF HINDU CONVERTS. NOW FACE THE TRUTH!!!

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Wow Paritosh your parents never told you that c–p does not come out of ones mouth but the other end. You feel so insure with your comments that you always have resort to abusing language. Baita calm down, we understand you guys feel big and always scared.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Azhar Soower Hussain

    well we are feeling bad for you Pakistani pigs that you are going to self destruct . as for feeling insecure , first find the meaning of the word , you madrassa educated moron.

    by the way your Dalaal Abbu Jaan and your Tawayaf Ammi Jaan didnt teach you that you Pakistanis are so worthless , that it isnt any offence if someone abuses you guys

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Paritosh it so very easy to burn your A–, in real life your A– would grass in no time.

    Smoke coming out from your real end, you are not alone 1 billion boron with you

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Sam
    friend , there is literally no use in asking the Muslim community for reparations for the loss they inflicted to us. infact the contemporary Muslims of South Asia are the descendants of Hindu converts. the Germans atleast are not in denial. over here the Muslims will either justify, deny or give some twisted logicless explanation for Medieval Muslim atrocities.
    they are a radical force that can be neutralized only through sophisticated violence. ( an example is Israel). we dont want any b-l-o-o-d-y apology. we want their blood!!!

    @ Rajiv
    your solution to quarantine those likes of Azhar the Soower (pig) dont hold any logic or sense. they are a kind of enemy , you can either kill them and live in peace or face constant threat and get your people killed.
    Jinnah surely did a good job , but the Najayaz (illegitimate) Porkistan kept troubling India.
    radical Islamic nations can be boycotted. here i will agree with you friend. but what about Pakistan???
    we cannot ignore them even if we want to. break all social , political , cultural, and economic links , they will still send terrorists and smuggle conterfeit currencies and drugs in India. we must invest heavily in defence and consolidate ourselves , to such an extent that these pigs ( Porkistanis) will get easily massacred

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  • Debdeep

    Mr Sharma

    Call me cynical, but the talks were just a charade, and both the Indian and Pakistani establishments were playing according to scripts. While the Indian script was about harping on 26/11, the expectation was Pakistan would keep on stonewalling; Pakistan focussed on bringing Kashmir and Baluchistan, and Siachen etc, with the expectation that India would stonewall. However, it also played a game of subverting the talks, due to an unrealistic optimism of getting the lease of Afghanistan once NATO leaves. Hence, Pakistan does not feel the need to engage India anymore; yet India, with a PM whose allegiance lies clearly outside national interests, insists on the charade at Obama insistence.

    This move by Pakistan is meant to be a ‘Zugzwang’ for India. If India keeps on talking, adopting Manmohan’s pet project, Manmohan loses face to the Indian public. If India pulls out of the talks, Manmohan loses face to his US masters. Either ways, India loses.
    But the game is not intended to be played that way.

    Indian policy should reflect the reality of engaging with the ISI and Pakistani military, the stakeholders who are really in charge in Pakistan. Both are instrinsically hostile to the existence of India. So there are more fruitful ways of engaging such stakeholders, other than dialogue and talk-talk.
    I think India should look forward to NATO pulling out of Afghanistan. It gives us a greater, more level playing ground, where we can ensure employment for the Indian unemployed, build genuine goodwill with the Afghans, and kill the bully in its own western courtyard without storming up its eastern borders. Of course, the world opinion will disapprove.

    Time to kill the bully in its own den, Mr Sharma. I meant, in Afghanistan.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Debdeep,
    You said ….
    “I think India should look forward to NATO pulling out of Afghanistan. It gives us a greater, more level playing ground, where we can ensure employment for the Indian unemployed, build genuine goodwill with the Afghans, and kill the bully in its own western courtyard without storming up its eastern borders.”
    Are you being realistic at all ? To rephrase the question more impolitely – what were you smoking when you wrote this ? A quick check … It has been nearly a decade that the NATO has been in Afghanistan and without establishing any credible form of government. What basis are you going to build Afghan goodwill on ? Assuring what ? Food security ? Better quality of life for the Afghan population ? And how ? But Hey, now wait a minute, wasn’t the Indian government supposed to do the same for its own population ? What happened ? I mean, just asking. We Indians have enough of domestic challenges to worry about Afghanistan and Dr. Mamohan Singh is pretty much aware about this. Despite this every now and then news indicative of Indian interest in Afghanistan re-surfaces. I am somewhat curious about this.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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  • vijay kumar

    Dear Usman,

    I am surprised to know that you are proud of what Hamid Gul and the ISI are doing in Afghanistan.

    ALready your country is more of a Mafia enterprise than a nation.
    Soon Pakistan will be fully converted into a ful fledged Talibanistan. Things are happening in your biggest state– Punjab, where the Taliban is gaining ascendency; NWFP is more or less under retrograde Islami laws and rulers. Baluchistan wants to break away and Jandullah is active there. Sindh and Mohajirs are out of sync with rest of Pakistan.

    Brother why take pride in a third class ideolgy, just because they say they are ISlamic?

    All nations have to follow equality of religions. Pakistan is a weird ideolgy which only believes in killing.

    You prosmied that you will go into teaching to create a modern mindset for Pakistani youth. But by praising the evil ISI you are only falling into the trap of the old Pakistan….

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Hello Vijay,

    Where did you find me “proud” of what Hameed Gul and gang are doing in Pakistan/Afghanistan & what exactly are they doing?? In the passage i called that whatever is happening in Afghanistan he has a better understanding of it as he himself has the experience of dealing with such lot. The word of caution came from senior indian analyst Saeed Naqvi not from him. Please re read the passage again.
    Now situation is different, no one supports Taliban despite early signs of their victory against NATO and US forces in Afghanistan. Which has made them to think otherwise, even asked pakistani establishment to create a back door channel to establish links with Haqani section of Taliban. ??? So for once they now believe that offering talks is the way out. Taliban have refused talks with Afghani establishment and even turned down it with Pakistan. Making it clear that their loyalty cannot be bought.
    The war has already caused foreign presence more than 1.3 trillion dollar of budget deficit…. all in the name of war against terrorism.

    What you quote of disintegration in Pakistan is mere based on exceptions. Its not a blind eye but rather true as i live in Pakistan. Following the patterns on what happened in Iraq where it ended up with Shia-Sunni, Kurd-Iraqi and other ethnic conflicts, similar set of activities is going on in Pakistan. Why so… is a full scale chapter and i dont want to discuss this.

    I agree with you in the larger context for all thoughts and religions to exist in the country, let us sort the situation in Afghanistan I’m sure if not today or over night things will change in time to come. I’m not backing away from my own word commited to me.

    Take Care,
    Usman

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Usman,
    You said …..
    “Now situation is different, no one supports Taliban despite early signs of their victory against NATO and US forces in Afghanistan. Which has made them to think otherwise, even asked pakistani establishment to create a back door channel to establish links with Haqani section of Taliban. ??? So for once they now believe that offering talks is the way out. Taliban have refused talks with Afghani establishment and even turned down it with Pakistan. Making it clear that their loyalty cannot be bought.”
    And
    “The war has already caused foreign presence more than 1.3 trillion dollar of budget deficit…. all in the name of war against terrorism.”
    A couple of points here :
    1> Actually, a couple of days back news about presence of large amount of lithium deposits in Afghanistan surfaced rather prominently in American press (NYTimes , Washington Post and HuffingtonPost “frontpaged” them into prominence) – raising questions by the skeptics whether the news were conveniently fielded to justify the presence.
    2> The US Military Industrial Machine – despite acute domestic financial and economic problems (actually “Third Depression” – as termed by Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman) has had its say and has been getting its more than fair share of Budgetary allocation. So the trillions you mentioned are painful but not so much that the Pentagon will be asked to scale down its budget. At lleast, not yet.
    3> The “let us talk with Taliban” line has been re-surfacing time and again, with Joe Biden (the U.S. Vice President) actively pushing for it. Despite this the pentagon/military bureaucracy has still been opposed to it. The recently fired American General McChrystal was one such case. So, yes I am pretty pessimistic about whether the talks will indeed continue anything fruitful will happen.
    The point I am trying to make here is it is rather naive to expect that there would be talks with Afghan Taliban and that the current Afghan resistance to Nato and its allies will sit down with the current rulers to chart out the future course to establish a Great compassionate Afghan state. That’s not what the current rulers have spent Trillion Dollars for , right ?
    We know – World over – the history never un-folded so cleanly , don’t we ?
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Mahesh,

    Oh yes! history never folded that tidy. Thank you for adding a new prespective to talks and i believe that is a very important aspect highlighted. If its worth spending more both in human resource, time and monetary cost then one can think of it and go by same routine that had been for the past 9 years and still dream for achieving the rich deposits and strategic position and do not talk to Taliban.
    But when you break those thoughts on ground realities the results are phenomenal. Look at the low morale found in military forces, the hide and seeking terrain, the incapable puppet administration in Kabul, weak Afghan force, tribal disputes, fear of helping NATO and consequences at the hand of Taliban etc. These would take another decade and would still make you feel you have achieved nothing. It appears you have high hopes and rich deposits in your right hand (thoughts) and on the left nothing in nine years. So lets go for something, i mean talking to Taliban, before not getting anything. But still i agree with you these are pure speculations and no confirmation at what tide time will settle.

    Regards,
    Usman

    Mahesh Reply:

    Usman,
    At the outset – sorry for a delayed response. A little bit too busy with work.
    About your response….
    I was fairly dis-appointed by your response – disappointed that I couldn’t get my point across clearly.
    Basically there are two contending approaches in Afghanistan – playing out in Washington – one stresses the “talk to Taliban” , the other stresses maintaining Military status quo. From what it appears the militarist – other than masquerading as a methodological / ideological approach mostly skirting the interests of Arms industry that benefits from the U.S. military engagement – thinking still exerts a relatively stronger influence. Heck, even the economic scenario has provided enough “situational incentive” to unemployed youth in U.S. It cannot be ruled out that news items surfacing in recent past about large Titanium deposits may actually be planted stories for selling the continued militarist presence to the domestic audience.All in all, the military status quoists still appear stronger.
    That apart, and since we are discussing this – let me throw my own doomsday prophecy on how the situation might un-fold. As the war expenses grow – the Americans may resort to a two level approach. At one level outsource the Afghan occupation to a “allies in war on terror ” force – mostly comprising pakistani military, at other level try to get in as much of compromising Taliban in power sharing arrangement as possible. This results in Pakistani Military’s grip tightening even more on the polity. New Delhi – utterly un-comfortable with Pakistani military’s growing clout resorts to more spending more on Arms . Minor military skirmishes increase between the two armies on border at times attaining worrisome levels – leaving much lesser margin for error , a situation very very conducive for the “Black Swan” events. As for Afghanistan – the sections of Taliban left out of the power sharing arrangements continue fighting – this time with Pakistani military. And guess what , China emerges as the final winner cornering the token developmental and Infrastructure re-building projects without dirtying its own hands. I sincerely hope none of this happens but then it is looking really scary at this point. Be worried. Be very worried, as one would say.
    Cheers,
    Mahesh.
    p.s.: Read a news item couple of days back about Imran Khan legally challenging the use of Drones on Pakistani soil. Would like to hear about it from you.

  • vijay kumar

    @vinodji,

    Sir… I admired you when at last you could see through the deceit of the Pakistanis just before the talks.

    Now let me come back to the satirical warning I gave to follow bloggers that S M Krishna should carry a rear view mirror when embraced Pakistanis in Islamabad as they could plunge a dagger in his back. And you gave a sarcastic comment of… :) :):) what an intellect…

    Unfortunately that is what has happened. Pakistanis in a game of diplomacy have resorted to ball tampering– and insulting our softspoken external Affaira Minister

    Shah Mehmood Qureshi is looking more and more like Mehmood from our old comedy films. While Mehmood played the good hearted buffon in reel life, Shah Mehmood seems to be a not so likeable buffoon in real life….

    Unfortunately among our foreigner affairs commentators, only Mani Shankar Aiyar still finds faults with Indians as he claims “he has visted Pakistan four times in the past two months…” and finds that 95% Pakistanis want friendship with India.

    Innocents like Mani AIyar still want us to understand their viewpoint on Kashmir and water. I wish and we all bloggers should pray that Mani, suffereing from foot and mouth disease should be put in an old age home or a sanitorium.

    Like always I sign of with a Smiley :) and cheers….

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Mr. Vijay
    Yes, I totally agree with you that Mr. Mani Shankar Aiyar should be either quarantined in a sanatorium or put in an old age home for him to become least troublesome to the society through his vitriolic expressions in any debate. It was indeed a big blunder for the RS chairman to have nominated him as Rajya Sabha member. He has indeed been misfit in any cultured society.
    BNA

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  • vijay kumar

    Dear USman and fellow Pakistani brothers…

    I understand that you guys are under intense pressure from the evil forces of suicde bombers, ISI, Taliban and a uncountable jehadi organisations.

    Why don’t you take the help of Indians in countering these evil forces?

    a) We can help you set up a school curricullam where all these vile -madcaps who kill for money and religion are reverse brainwashed. That they would start singing “Johny Johny yes papa” and
    “Bolo tara rara…” instead of “Kill jill, kill bill… kill kill kill” and ” Maaro, kato, looto…” as they sing these days….

    b) The next time when you see the vile jehadis and the evil taliban killing a Ahemadiya or a Shia or a Christian, hindu or Sikh, shoot the killer dead. It would be a wonderful sight to see a jehadi spilling bile and what not from both ends, running in fear on the Wagah border, being shot at by both Pakistanis and Indians.

    Then only things will improve in Pakistan…

    Cheers :)

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  • Rajiv

    B Raman is easily one the the best and most informed security analyst and commentators in India.
    He is always measured. Even he seems to have come to the conclusion that Pakistani establishment is a most vile and criminal entity.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266291
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    Excerpts from a piece by B Raman
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    ……
    When Z.A.Bhutto and his daughter indulged in anti-India antics and exhibitionism there was no global TV. We had to read about them in the print media and wait for the visuals which arrived days later. There were no live transmissions, no live debates. Only we in India followed closely the antics and exhibitionism of Z.A.Bhutto and Benazir. Most of the rest of the world did not. The international community did not have an idea of the kind of foreign minister or Prime Minister Pakistan had.

    Things are different today. Thanks to the global TV networks, the whole world had an opportunity of watching live the antics and exhibitionism of Mr Qureshi and the measured and cultured response of Mr Krishna and Mrs Nirupama Rao. It will redound to our credit and make the international community understand–if it has not already understood it– the kind of Pakistani leadership and the kind of Pakistani mentality we have to contend with.

    India’s negotiating stance of “action against anti-India terrorism first, rest later” and the growing international understanding of India’s stance after 26/11 have unsettled Pakistan. Mr Qureshi’s antics and exhibitionism did not reflect any embarrassment or nervousness over the reported admissions of David Coleman Headley, the head of the sleeper cell of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and the 313 Brigade of Ilyas Kashmiri in Chicago, to Indian interrogators about the role of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the command and control of the 26/11 terrorist strikes in Mumbai. Such embarrassments are flea-bites for Pakistan and its ISI.
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  • Azhar Hussain

    Life and standard of living in most of the Muslims countries is still far better than undia. I posting this for useless comments being made by your indians, which are based on your frustration and bias about Islam and Muslims. Average GDP per Capita income of Muslim countries not in order, but show where you guys stand when you compare total Muslims population and India ($2941)

    1 Indonesia $3,725
    2 Pakistan $2,592
    3 Bangladesh $ 1,378
    4 Nigeria $2,035
    5 Egypt $5,491
    6 Turkey $12,888
    7 Iran $10,624
    8 Sudan $2,172
    9 Algeria $6,538
    10 Afghanistan 4724
    11 Morocco $4,076
    12 Iraq $3,600
    13 Malaysia $13,315
    14 Saudi Arabia $23,243
    15 Uzbekistan $2,344
    16 Yemen $2,335
    17 Syria $4,448
    18 Kazakhstan $11,086
    19 Niger $666
    20 Burkina Faso $1,253
    21 Mali $1,031
    22 Senegal $1,685
    23 Tunisia $7,473
    24 Guinea $1,074
    25 Somalia $600
    26 Azerbaijan $7,656
    27 Tajikistan $1,841
    28 Sierra Leone $692
    29 Libya $12,277
    30 Jordan $4,886
    31 United Arab Emirates $37,293
    32 Kyrgyzstan $12,500
    33 Turkmenistan $5,154
    34 Chad $1,675
    35 Lebanon $11,270
    36 Kuwait $39,305
    37 Albania $6,897
    38 Mauritania $ 2,008
    39 Oman $23,967
    40 Kosovo $1,800
    41 The Gambia $1,326
    42 Bahrain $32,604
    43 Comoros $1,125
    44 Qatar $80,870
    45 Djibouti $2,271
    46 Brunei $51,005
    47 Maldives $4,604

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Azhar Hussain,

    Have you ever read or heard about Happiness Index? Well, India tops many countries, and most certainly the Muslim countries you have listed when happiness and well being are made the index. On this index, let me tell you, IJRP (Islamic Jihadi Republic of Pakistan) comes somewhere near the bottom. And why do you quote other Islamic countries like Qatar, Kuwait etc? How does it help Pakistan? What does it matter to Saudi Arabia with $30K , if literally starving Somalian pirates threaten it by capturing its oil laden mega liners? How does it help Lebanon with a GDP of $12K, if it lives in perpetual fear of being crushed into pulp by Israel?

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  • Rajiv

    Even Azhar, the fake-degree idiot should have seen that even after having 6 times or more the population of Pakistan, having twice or more people per square km than Pakistan -India now has more GDP than Pakistan and an economy largest of any country on that list.

    But then the fake degree idiot will start saying China has done better than India, as if China was part of Pakistan ! If China has done better than India economically, we want to emulate that and have no qualms about accepting it.

    The thing to note is that at partition, West Pakistan had a higher GDP than India.
    Just as Indian punjab, Haryana had a GDP twice the Indian average, so did adjoining areas in Pak Punjab.
    Today West Pakistan has a lower GDP than India, and the difference is widening.
    Also a very big part of Pak GDP is because of Western aid.
    Once that dries up things will get even more desperate in the vile and criminal entity of Pakistan.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Raju

    You mean GDP Per Capita Income…GDP Per Capita Income of India now is slighly better than Pak GDP Per Capita Incoem beacuse of your 50 Indian Billionarie US $…Just take out these 50 individuals out of over 1 Billion population and then calculate the Per Capita Income of India, It will be reduced 10% and fall below 1000 US $ and this is the reason Figures below show Pak’s poverty rate is far better than India despite of Pak PCI is slighly less than India’s PCI

    42.5 % of India lives is classified as poor in 2005 ———17.2% of Pak is poor in year 2007 (Reference World Bank)

    41.6% lives of India lives under 1$ in a day———22.6% of PAk lives under 1$ in a day….

    So Mr Rajiv, despite the fact of Indian PCI (I explained you earlier), India is far ahead in poverty as compared to PAk…Almost double..

    Pak didnt get any industry, university in 47 as compared to India who got the industries and universities in 47 like your TATA.

    35% of World’s poor live in your country called India and you point fingers on others..What a moron

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajiv and co your intellegence is as good as your post. The intention of the GDP figure was show you almost 80% of world Muslim population lives better that your undia. Millions of your cow live in these Muslim countries to earn a healthy living. And several millions of your cow’s are dying to go and live in those Muslim countries. If at all these Muslims start being racist, your miliions will suffer.

    As far Pakistan goes, we will give you so much pain till the cows come home, understand that.

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    Sam Reply:

    Since India is so, poor,
    maybe all muslims can leave india and join their brothers in the rich OIC countries.
    Please do that and it will benefit both people and set right the historic islamic crimes.

  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    to seriously opine on the recent Indo-Pak dialogue , i sincerely feel that the Indian leadership lacks the assertiveness to put forward the nations interests in any international forum or summit. in the first place , the leadership shouldnt have had considered holding any talks with the Pakistani establishment , for its surely a futile process. even if they decided to hold talks , S.M Krishna should have had put forth all our interests in clear and highlightened words .

    even after returning to New Delhi , he said that he was satisfied with the dialogue process. Shah Mehmood Qureshi made absurd comments inspite of the low profile that Krishna maintained during the talks.
    the only solution for this attitude of Pakistani leadership is that the Indian leadership should expose it before the media and the international community in clear language.

    this recent outcome of talks can be an eye opener for those who still believe in the validity of dialogue process with Pakistan

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Paritosh,
    India has conducted itself in a dignified manner. If you may, please read the piece by B Raman in outlook, the link for which I provided in an earlier comment.

    But as I said before, India should avoid any contact with Pakistan, like you avoid a plague infested rat. No contact, no issue.

    If you tango with a thug, its your patience that will be tested.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Rajiv it is you people who worship rats,

    “But as I said before, India should avoid any contact with Pakistan, like you avoid a plague infested rat. No contact, no issue.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzO-RoivK1o

    Enjoy

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    jai vaidya Reply:

    Sal
    I dont talk about Kashmir because it is not the central issue any indian who thinks that giving concessiuon on Kashmir is demented so many other core issues would come up.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Jai Vaidya

    Kashmir is an exceptional case that cannot be compared with any other issue. Without resolving Kashmir, relations between India and Pak will remain bad.

    If you dont want to discuss Kashmir dont discuss it and dont dont discuss terrorism too beacuse this is the price you pay for your illegal occupation of Kashmir and India will keep continue paying that price.

    No one is innocent…Neither India nor Pakistan.

  • Rajiv

    @Idiot Azhar and Sal,

    Pak per capita GDP is now almost 20% LESS than India’s.

    What does Pak have to do with Saudi GDP or any one else ???? Are you just idiots or congenital idiots ?

    If India has 50 billionaires, its to India’s credit. India even has Muslim billionaires like Azim Premji, who is worth more than all top 100 rich Pakistanis put together.

    Why do you insist on proving that you are idiots.

    That matter has been settled.

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @idiot Rajiv one more time, READ My LIPS

    80% OF the Muslim population is better of than your cow dung

    The reason why I mentioned other Muslim countries GDP, is that you and your idiotic group of undians keep bringing Islam and Muslims. Therefore those figure clearly prove it is you people who living in cow dung not Msulims of world.

    The moment the facts hit you peoples face and you don’t like, you idiots resort to abusive language, thats what your cow dung religion teaches I guess

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    Sam Reply:

    @azhar
    We have to agree with Azhar on this statistics.

    So why should muslims live in India now ?
    They came when India was rich.

    Now it is not.

    So please go to your fellow OIC countries.
    The sooner the better.
    It will benefit Muslims and Hindus in India.

    It will be great if India can go back to muslim population of about 1-2%.
    That is the right number.

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    Sal Reply:

    @ Dear Rajiv

    India Per Capita Income = 1031 US$ (Year 2009 by IMF)
    Pak Per Capita Income = 1017 US$ (Year 2009 by IMF)

    So Pak PCI is just 1% less than Indian PCI and till 2008, Pak PCI has been better than India PCI throughout the history.

    If Indian PCI is really 20% more than that of Pak PCI, then could you explain me why there is more % of poors in India than in Pak despite the fact that Indian PCI is 20% more than Pak PCI. I think I answered earlier.

    Azem Prem Ji…Yes this is what you people names few muslims together with Abdul Kalam and few muslims bollywood actors to show the world that muslims are very good in India…OK..Do me a favor..Go and burn the Shri Kishna Report.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    One more thing to add is..Yes these 50 Indian billionaire US $ adds to India’s credit just like those 800 millions Indians who lives under 2$ in a day, adds to India’s credit.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    —————————————————
    @ Lesson for Idiot and fake degree ****-is
    ——————————————————-

    India Pakistan
    ——— ——————————————————————————–
    1. Poor 1. Poorer ( Per person GDP abour 20% less than India, thats not a crime )

    2. Begger ( begs from USA, EU, SA, China, WorldBank, IMF. Not a crime too)

    3. Criminal ( Largest exporter of terrorist and criminals. Thats a crime )

    You see, the fact Pakistan is poorer than India and a begger too , is not a crime.
    The crime is it’s vile, undemocratic, criminal entity that’s the largest exporter of criminals, terrorists and frauds per person, in the world.

    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    You are not a kid anymore… Indian Per Capita Income is not 20% more of Pak PCI. Dont try to be smart.

  • Rajiv

    —————————————————
    @ Lesson for Idiot and fake degreePakistanis
    ——————————————————-

    India———- ——Pakistan
    —————— ——————————————————————————–
    1. Poor ————1. Poor-er ( Per person GDP abour 20% less than India, thats not a crime )

    ———————–2. Begger ( begs from USA, EU, SA, China, WorldBank, IMF. Not a crime too)

    ———————–3. Criminal ( Largest exporter of terrorist and criminals. Thats a crime )

    You see, the fact Pakistan is poorer than India and a begger too , is not a crime.

    India last year gave a billion dollars each to Bangladesh ( East Pakistanis ) and Afganistan. We can give some to begger Pak state too. Stop making those fake currencies.

    The crime that Pakistan is it’s vile, undemocratic, criminal entity that’s the largest exporter of criminals, terrorists and frauds per person, in the world.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Rajiv

    Can you explain me how Indian Per Capita Income is 20% more of Pak Per Capita Income.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Look at Azhar Hussain post, where he has listed them.

    Bye the way, are you a bigger idiot or Azhar ?
    Have you guys settled it ?

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  • http://deleted jai vaidya

    Vinodji,
    Why deal with Messrs Zardari, Qureshi ansd Gilani? Our foreign office claims that this strengthens the democratic forces, this is patently false. The PPP of today are no champions of “democracy. ” They are fighting for a stake in the loot of Pakistan. The Napaks (Pak army) will give some crumbs to these interlopers as long as they follow their dictates. However, any agreement with the PPP will simply not hold.The PPP are not the soul of Pakistan, any solution cqannot exclude the West Punjabis.
    It is mind boggling to see how the wea;lth of Pakistan has been siphoned off by the Napaks. Any discussion or inquiry on this subject is taboo. Anybody who strays from the scripted path is a legitimate target. Seven journalists were killed in 2006 for not reporting ‘accurately” in NWFP and Baluchistan.
    Shaheen Foundatiuon, Fauji Foundation, Army Welfare Trust , Bahari Foundation are the largest”business conglomerate” in Pakistan. It has a large array of business from banks, insurance, fisheries, bakeries, priovate securities for corporate, fertilizer, cement, sugar factories, pharm,aaceuticals and now radio and television channels. These t.v. channels have a shrill message and are fond of conspiracy theories. All problems facing Napaks and Pakistanis are laid to India, Amrika, and Jews. They are also the biggest landowners of Pakistan. Using the Land Act of 1912 they buy land at Rupees 20-60 per acre. They own 11.58 million acres of land, they also deal in urbanm real estate It is as if the Indian army owned DLF.
    Napaks also believe their intellectually superiror to Pakistanis. National security workshops are held in the nnational defence college to “educate politicians , journalists, civil sevants to Naspaks ideology. The motto of Pak army is “Iman, Taqwa, jihad, fi sibil illah.”This sounds like a jihadi organisatio, unless Kayani also has some cute canines. Many Indians don’t know that hard core Islamists see the loss of Spain and Hindustan with great nostalgia and sorrow.
    They don’t reveal to their younger generations that the Sikhs, Marathas, Jats, Rajputs amongst others. had already liberated themselves before the British came.

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    Sal Reply:

    @Jai Vidaya

    Why you dont focus on your Napak Indian army and the massive corruption in your Napak Indian Army. Why you dont talk abt your Napak Indian army Generals who got kicked out of your Napak Indian army either by taking kickbacks in arms deals or sexual harasment of their female Junior officers. Why you dont discuss your people dont want to come in Napak Indian Army and this is why Napak Indian army facing shortages of Officers of 13000 officers and this shortages will increase in next years.

    It would also be good if you talk about atrocities of unarmed Kashmiris Youth in fake encounters by your Napak Indian Army. And it would also be good if you just discuss how 2% of India which
    is Brahmin rule 98% of India.

    And you talk about liberation of Sikhs…Yes after ruling 1000 years, Sikhs liberated themselves
    in 1799 and Sikhs rule contined for just 50 years in 1849 when British finally gave defeat to Sikhs. You talk those 50 years but forgot those 1000 years.

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    jai vaidya Reply:

    Sal
    what about Marathas?How long was their rule?

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    @Sal

    It is apiece of **** you have written.

    So your text books say that 2% Brahmins rule 98% India – So Mrs Sonia Gandhi is a Brahmin? Dr Singh is a Brahmin? Ak Antony is a Brahmin? SM krishna is a Brahmin? Chidambaram is a Brahmin? Mrs Nirupama Rao is a barhmin? Mr GK Plillai a Brahmin?

    FYI, Mrs Gandhi is not a Brahmin; she is not even a Hindu, and she was not even born in India. We have not held that against her; we accept all – athithi devo bhava, loka samastha sukhino bhavandu, Ohm Santi Santi, Ahimsa paramo dharma etc are our core values handed over by our great ancestors (Yours too) . We kept it; you disowned it for the sake of an Arabic ancestry, one as we all know is a recent one, and because of that, an uncultured one.

    May be 2-3 Chief Ministers of states are Barhmins…

    Muslims have now started on this bandwagon–that India is ruled by Brahmins who control everything… You guys get good text books.

    Also, for your information, there may be only one or two Brahmins in the richest 100 Indians.

    Brahmins have contributed a lot for India; that does not mean they control India. Like any groups, some of them may have caused problems for otehrs in the past; but India is moving on to making lives better for all; unlike ur fru—g Pakistan where anybody with a different religion gets killed .

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  • http://deleted jai vaidya

    Most of this information is available Aisha Siddiqa,”Military inc.,”

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Rajiv

    you suggest that we should not have any contacts with the P-a-k-i-s , and thats exactly what i have opined. we should not hold any further talks with them.

    but you dont seem to get the point. even if we break all kinds of contacts with them , they still are gonna create problems for us. they will persist in their continuous practice of training and sending terrorists in India and smuggle conterfeit currency notes , weapons and drugs in India.

    your notion that if we isolate Pakistan then they wont create any further trouble , is totally logicless and makes no sense.

    it is their contempt for the non-Muslims , Hindus in particular and the Indian state that drives them to the extremes of hate , and not India being in contact. the degree of this hate has intensified after India’s economic success , unexpected social stability and the defeat Pakistan had to face in the three wars.

    conclusion- ignore them or not , they will nurture their hate and continue to kill Indians through terrorism. rectify your notions

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Azhar Soower Hussain

    pehle English seekh le phir aaja yahaa apna kachra failane. you must have learnt English from a madrassa in Heera Mandi (your home) . no wonder , why you keep sh*tting from the trash bin of your mouth

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    Sam Reply:

    Muslims will undertand pain only when Macca/Madinah is bombed and pilgrims targeted and gunned down…

    Their highest holy places were not bombed and targeted.
    (i know several bombings/killings, but allmost all of them were by muslim perpetrators.)

    The right wing people in USA are asking for Nuking Macca/Madina if another 9/11 is tried on USA.

    Do not be surprised by America’s resolve to “set this right”..
    When America and Europeans patience is tested, muslim will get the biggest surprise in their whole history..

    It just takes 2 minutes for US/Europe to finish off this sickness…

    Unfortunately jihadists also will welcome, assuming this will help their cause..

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Wow Sam Baita so your sorry A– is solisiting help from the gora’s. Baita if you read the news regularly the white folks are getting shafted in AFghanistan and they have made up their minds to put their tails between theri legs and leave next year. Just like undia’s father in law USSR left AFghnistan. Now whereas your idea of bombing of holy places is concerned, it is your wishful thinking, this has never happened before, not about to happen now and will never happen in the future. Do you know why innocent Sam, because their illegitimate child in mid east is only 2″ X 4″, it is just a matter of One….well you know what I mean.

    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    @ Paritosh Cow Dung

    “pehle English seekh le phir aaja yahaa apna kachra failane. you must have learnt English from a madrassa in Heera Mandi (your home) . no wonder , why you keep sh*tting from the trash bin of your mouth”

    When you use this language, I know your A– is getting burnt.

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    Sam Reply:

    >but you dont seem to get the point. even if we break all kinds of contacts with them , they still are gonna create problems for us.

    The problem is two parts.
    First part is Pak.

    Second, but important, part is Indians keep thinking if they are nice to Pak, then everything will be peace and there will be heaven between both parties.

    Just by the very act of, cutting off relations the Indian mindset would transform.
    It will move to a more realistic approach on how to deal with Pak, rather than the current imaginary dreams.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Let them create problems….

    We can send horses and donkeys for them to have fun…. Pakistani style :) :)

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Sam
    It will not be practical even if we desire to completely cut off from Pakisan as a matter of national policy. The presence of divided Muslim families on both sides of borders between the countries, indeed, is a pain in neck of the country. May be people of Pakistan should realise that they have more at stake to live in peace with India. After all, population of Muslims in India is as much, if not greater than the population of Pakistan. Surely, wisdom will dawn some day on these religious fanatics from across the border. Ameen.
    BNA

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod sharma ji
    You rightly said in your blog that that our FM is on test when he visits Islamabad for talks with Mr. Quereshi. I believe that Mr. Krishna came out of this test with flying colours and behaved like a true diplomat, which he is not otherwise. He looks so mild mannered but surely has a will made of steel.. Of course, he did slip at one point of not rebutting the statement of Mr. Quereshi at the joint presser for his having claimed of even Mr. Krishna’s disapproval of Mr. Pillai statement. That was his weak moment ,. But who knows that decency demanded so for not indulging in (TU TU Main Main” in front of world press”. Indeed he compensated by making a statement rebutting Mr. Qureshi on this point when arrived back in the country from Islamabad.
    That he stood as a wall to frustrate all the wiles and pleasantness of Mr. Qureshi to the extent that in the end, Mr. Qureshi felt so frustrated and outsmarted that he lost balance and started speaking in an undiplomatic language. That is when I realised that he was behaving more of a feudal lord rather than any suave diplomat. The world is of course looking at him at his very amateurish behaviour.
    I also read your article on the front page of HT to-day (July 18, 2010) “New Delhi will wait for Quereshi storm to pass”. May be for the first time I totally agree with your opinion. You were also forced to use strong words like “Cussed” and ” Petulant” for Mr. Quereshi which should be harsh for your standard. But these are acceptable to us as you rightly described his personality.
    I do not think Mr. Qureshi is feeling bad for his comments as to-day he is reported to have said that he will travel to Delhi for only result oriented results and not ffor any leisure trip. Do’nt you think it is time that we disengage from such talks for some more time till the other side feels the heat to request for a dialogue? The Pakistani side seems to be under high pressure for unknown reasons. If you recall, Pakistan foreign secretary had also behaved in a similar fashion when he had visited Delhi for secretary level talk. There is a unique continuity in this perverse behaviour from Pakistan establishment . Any comments!!
    Regards
    BNA

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  • Rajiv

    @Paritosh,

    I argue for zero contact with Pakistan as a starting point.
    Maybe it will yield some results, maybe not.

    That will get us out of this waste and farce of engaging a wilfully criminal and vile entity.
    That wont stop Pak from sending terrorists , criminals to India. We have a few unwanted, vile , ISI-worshipping Pakistanis in this forum too. Looks like they are as shameless as the Kasavs the Pak state trains.

    We have to simultaneously further strenthen the intelligence and defenses against them.

    Remember Pak IS/Army are doing a good job of criminalizing and dismantling Pakistan. You have to read Pak papers to understand the seriousness of the situation there. Baluchistan ( 100 times bigger than Kashmir valley ) is in a worse state. Baluichistan, Swat and Waziristans are war zones where the armty daily kills dozens in bombings and extra judicial killings.

    India has refrained from interfering in the internal problems of Pakistan. Thats because India’sposition has been that a united and prosperous Pakistan is good for India too.

    That premise , in my opinion , is absurd and wrong given the fact that Pak behaves as a criminal entity. India has to publicly change its stand , that given the fact that Pak is a state sponsor of terrorism, a united Pakistan, is against peace and prosperity in the subcontinent. Then India should publicly support seperate states for Baluchs. Pakhtoons and Sindhis and provide economic assistance to groups fighting for it.

    Remember, Pakistan is already doing that against India. But India has lot more money than the criminal begger Pak has and if India decides to fund Pak separatist movements, the politics of the subcontinent will change. Dismantling Pakistan, by providing economic assistance to the units fighting Pak criminal punjabi army rule, should be the foreign policy goal.

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  • Rajiv

    ————————————————————————————————
    Demanding Al-Qaida , prosecute and punish , Bin-Laden !
    ———————————————————————————————-

    Would you not laugh at such a demand ?

    Its well proven , that Pak state organizes terrorist attacks against India.

    The Mumbai, terrorist attack too, now publicly acknowledged by India, was planned and organized by the Pak state.

    So when we demand Pak prosecute the planners ( ISI officers and Pak army ) of the Mumbai terrorist attack, is it not same as demanding Al Qaida prosecute and punish Bin Laden ?

    Thats why I say, this charade of talks with a wilfully criminal and vile entity like Pak, which produces just the opposite results, must stop.

    Intelligently, explore other options. Yes overt war is not a good option , but there are a million other covert solutions.

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    Sal Reply:

    Rajiv Beta..I know far better than you…Azhar has listed GDP Per Purchasing power not GDP Per Capita Income. And if you want to take that GDP Per Purchasing power, then India GDP PPP is 11% of Pak GDP PPP not 20%…

    Pak PCI = 1017 US$ (2009 year)
    Indian PCI = 1031 US$ (2009 year)

    Above is Per Capita Income.

    You didnt answer my question which is now your Indian Per Capita Income is slighly better than Pak PCI, then why there are more % of Poors in India then in Pak despite the fact that Indian PCI is now slighly better than Pak PCI..This is because of your 50Bilionarie US$.

    22% of Pak lives under 1$ then 42% of India lives under 1$ (alomost double of Pak)

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    Azhar Hussain Reply:

    Sal these monkeys will go round and round. I believe the topic of this blog is Afghnistan, but even if it was Canada their sorry A–’s will bring Pakistan and Islam: you talk about cricket series between Sri Lanka and India, these borons will bring Pakistan in it. YOu talk about Aussies frying Indians they will bring in ISI’s role in it. ISI has done a great job of getting under theri skin, and they just can’t escape from that.

    Why Khrisna came to Pakistan is not that want to be good neighbours, but they know NATO’s terrorist army is getting shafted and will be leaving Afghanistan next year, and things are going to get hot again in Kashmir.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Azhar,

    Last night I saw a video on BBC showing two Pakistanis moving on donkeys and Horses.

    Must be you and Sal, taking them to a corner,… and having fun.

    Google trends has already exposed all that…..

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Sal

    Have you decided if you are the bigger idiot or Azhar

    Here is list of countris GDP (PPP). Purchasing power parity, did they teach that in Pak or its not in fake degree curriculum ?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    GDP (PPP) Per person PER YEAR,2009 ESTIMATES

    ———————IMF—————–WorldBank———————CIA
    India—————2941—————–3248————————-3100

    Pak—————–2661—————–2625————————-2600

    That just per capita. In total economic size, you are no match.
    Just the state of Maharashtra , has an economy equal to all Pakistan.
    The difference is getting wider every year and India has a long way to go !!!

    @Sal,
    As, I said, being poorer and getting more poorer as compared to India every year, is no crime.

    Being a criminal, undemocratic, thug-criminal-army-ISI ruled entity now thats a crime..

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    Sal Reply:

    @Grow Up Rajiv

    Read my prevoius posts carefully and try to understabd what I am saying to you.

    Pak’s poverty rate is 17% while India’s poverty rate is 45% (Reference is World Bank) and thats explains every thing who is more poorer.

    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Rajiv

    yes friend , indeed you are very right upto the point that zero contact with Porkistan is in the very interest of India , but yes, surely they will keep on sending terrorists.

    but the problem is that our extremely naive and immature leadership , perhaps doesnt understand the tricks of the game of diplomacy and international politics. they are unable , even to conceive the idea of breaking of Porkistan by funding local separatists

    the decisions and the words of hope that our External Affairs Minister S.M Krishna uses for Pakistan , reflect the naivete and lack of proper decison making skills in our leaders.
    moreover our ordinary people in general are also very naive when it comes to national interests and assertiveness.

    these things collectively reflect our national attitude of naivete , and hence unfortunately it seems improbable for the Indian hegemony to execute a plan like breaking Porkistan in tiny pieces.

    Regards,
    Paritosh

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  • Raju Kurien

    @Dr Anand

    I agree with you. We should not do any more sum,mits with Pakistan. It should be left for self destruction.

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  • Rajiv

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    I think, the ihe issue of Afghanistan, is a small component of the issues between India and Pak.
    Its an insignificant issue in the big picture.

    Pakistan’s criminal interference in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s support of Taleban, is an issue which ultimately the people of Afghanistan will resolve. As polls repeatedly show, Pakistan is the most reviled and hated country by Afghhans. If they allow google in Pak, maybe the idiots Sal and Azhar can google that !

    Just as USA , does not have diplomatic ties with criminal, oppressive regimes like that of North Korea, Burma etc , similarly, India should have no ties with the criminal regime of Pakistan.

    The purpose is to de-legitamize the entity. India should do that quietly and not in anger. The logic would be that the Pak army and ISI are a criminal entity, directly engaged in training and financing terrorists.

    As I have said before, expecting Pakistan to act against Mumbai terrorist attack planners is like expecting AlQaida to act against Bin Laden.

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  • Rajiv

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    Criminal Pakistanis, now attack Uganda ?
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    http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/International/18-Jul-2010/Pakistanis-among-20-arrested-for-Uganda-attacks

    Pakistanis among 20 arrested for Uganda attacks

    Security forces have arrested more than 20 people including several Pakistanis for two bombings last week that killed at least 73 people in the Ugandan capital, a foreign news agency quoted a police chief as saying Sunday. “In terms of those who are in custody, certainly it is more than 20,” Kale Kayihura told reporters. Among them were Pakistanis who had a shop in a Kampala suburb, Kayihura said. “They are being questioned…. They have to explain themselves,” the police chief said. The July 11 bombings at a restaurant and a crowded bar where people were watching the football World Cup final in South Africa were claimed by the Al-Qaeda-inspired Shebab insurgent group in Somalia.

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    Even in Africa after a bombing, the police arrest any Pakistanis they can find!
    Must be a proud day for Azhar , Sal and ISI !

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  • vijay kumar

    @RQajiv, Dr Anand, Usman and Sam

    I am revisiting my idea on trifurcating J&K, Can we not the bloggers at this site, put a proposal on finding a solution to the Kashmir problem once for all?

    One solid way out is first divide J& K in three states. Jammu and Ladakh should be made to have large areas. Then the small area of Kashmir where terrorists are active should be fortified.

    With better governments in Jammu and Ladakh they would also become part of India shining….
    As things stand most of the subsidies pumped in by India into J&K are consumed by the Kashmir part of it and Ladakh and Jammu remain neglected. Most of it is consumed by very very manipulative politicians of the state.

    Small states in India anyway do well. If we reappeal the outdated laws, Indians from other states would be allowed to buy land here. Things will change immediately

    If we reduce Kashmir to 2100 sq km, it would anyway look small on the international map. The population of this state would be about 40 lakhs, out of which only maybe 30% are disenchanted or are rabble rousers.

    If they want to go to Pakistan, they should be given a safe passage.

    WE can resettle the persecuted minorities of Pakistan like Hindus, Sikhs, Christians,Ahemediayas, Shiaas, Baluchis and even women in Kashmir which would be reduced to the size of Delhi, after the split. Even witers, POP musicians, dancers and freedom lovers of Pakistan who live under the trauma of jehadi-ISI ryuled country can be given space here.

    An area of 2100 sq km would also be easy to mange by the army and police

    To me this solution looks perfect….

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Vijay

    its very good to know that you have found a “solution” for Kashmir, but please dont mind if i project some healthy criticism.

    i agree with
    1- settling mainland Indians in Kashmir
    2- separating Ladakh from the valley

    i disagree with
    1- pro-Azadi and pro-Pakistan people will not go away because they have been designated to do their job of creating trouble. so they possibly wont leave.

    2-Porkistani Pop musicians in the end are Pokistanis. only because they are fed up with the Pisslamic -ISI rule we cant take them in. in that sense , going by that decision , we will have to bring many Porkis inside Kashmir ( inviting even more trouble)

    3-you didnt mention Kashmiri Pandits

    i will perhaps write my own post for the possible solution on Kashmir problem on this blog

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    Paritosh Reply:

    to all fellow Indian blogger brothers

    here’s a possible solution for the Kashmir problem

    1-increase military and armed security presence in the valley. provide them with all latest equipments , weapons , training and infrastructure.

    2- send high level spies in the valley disguised as ordinary Kashmiris to figure out the origins of different trouble making groups like stone pelters and anti-India speech givers. besides strengthen military intelligence. both the civilian spies , military intelligence and the Centre should be will co-ordinated with each other

    3- make a law that any leader or a person making anti-India speeches shall be arrested and jailed.

    4- make ordinary Kashmiris believe that the separatist leaders are responsible for their miserable lives and make and implement plans to create a good relationship between armed forces and the ordinary Kashmiris. tell the Kashmiris that how Porkistan suppressed Balochs , Sindhis and Pathans and they will similarly repress their Kashmiriyat. create anti-Pakistan sentiments

    5- accelerate progress in Kashmir and give the Kashmiris economic freedom to sell their produce.implement various economic policies to ensure Kashmir’s economic prosperity. encourage tourism. interaction with mainland Indians will perhaps make them pro-India. increase and encourage quality modern education.

    6-make special plans and implementations along Porkistan border to check infiltration and to keep an eye on these pigs ( Pakistanis ). build atleast 10 airbases. adequately equipped and modern

    7- make Ladakh and Jammu union territories and make special provisions to ensure their progress in education and economy. in case of Ladakh , make adequate implementations to safegaurd it from the Chinese threat. make plans to safegaurd its culture as well. the top administrator of Ladakh should be a Ladakhi. encourage tourism over there as well.

    8- after situation in Kashmir normalises , make provisions for the Pandits to move back to their homeland and ensure that they themselves , their culture and shrines and temples are safe.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Paritosh,
    Because of generous central assistance, J&K is quite okay economically.
    Jammu is flourishing and if you isolate the criminal Jihadis, the Kashmir valley will flourish more.

  • Pankaj

    I have a different take on this whole controversy which has erupted on the Indo-Pakistan relationship.
    Background:
    India has been at the receiving end from Terrorism for a couple of decades – and we have been raising this as an issue to the World and International forum – with little success. Post 9/11 in USA – the issue has hit the world leaders the most – on the need to do something on the same in a serious way. The Mumbai 26/11 was a repeat of the horror – and forced the world leaders to wake up – and bring their attention towards Pakistan – who have allowed the terrorists to be used both against India and Afghanistan – and also pose a threat to the people across the world.
    USA would like to resolve their involvement in Afghanistan – as it is hurting them and their economy the most – and for that they need Pakistan support – who in turn has been insisting to USA to get India to the dialogue table – at the earliest – since post the Mumbai attack, India has refused to address the issue on Kashmir unless credible evidence of action is shown.
    Even though Pakistan knew very well that it has been state actors who have fomented terrorists acts in India over the years – it is surprising that Pakistan insisted on more evidence – while there was really no need to provide the evidence – since all the funding has come from across Pakistan borders – only whatever proof India provided was always rejected – and Pakistan kept on putting the façade that they want to have a dialogue to force India to address their core issue – which officially is on J&K – but the hidden fear is due to the fear of water scarcity in Pakistan – which could lead to anarchy within Pakistan..
    Given Pakistan’s insistence on credible evidence – and India insistence on action on terrorism – USA was forced to allow access to Headley to India – so that the well know facts to all are made public thru Headley.
    India’s Game Plan:
    India was fully aware that Pakistan had no intention to act on the credible evidence – however they did not want to be sounding pessimistic in the international community – so they played along – since Pakistan was also playing a game of sounding a victim, and also showing that they have every intent to take action thru a process – this was to ensure that they can bring the dialogue process back to Kashmir and make it the focus and core issue to be addressed.
    The Congress was fully aware of the folly of pursuing a dialogue with Pakistan on other areas – when there was no will to take action on the known state actors – who have been pursuing their policy over decades – with tacit, implicit, indirect or even no support from the political brasses in Pakistan – and are doing so even now – as clearly brought out by Krishna – with the 40% increase in infiltration in J&K – and this is after the Mumbai attack. So the Pakistan internal terrorism they are facing has not stopped them to unleash terrorism against India in J&K.
    This is a realization which Congress and Indian Administration clearly realized that the world has been unwilling to accept over the decades – and with USA also pushing for a dialogue – the hands of Congress was getting really tight.
    While the PM had committed to pursue the dialogue process – with no change in Pakistan approach – it was becoming quite clear to the Congress and Indian establishment – that they would pay a heavy price if they pursued the peace process with vigor.
    The damage politically would have meant a loss of power – and maybe even fall of the government – if some of the state actors enacted another Mumbai like attack – the Congress supporting parties would have had to withdraw support – else they would be seen siding with a weak Congress – and maybe even loose politically within the India polity.
    Given the above situation – the best option for the Congress and Indian administration was to scuttle the dialogue – and this they had to do when the whole world was looking at the dialogue process progress – this could be done only if the break-off happened by Pakistan .
    For this to happen – India administration realized that that the Pakistan politician had to be driven to take action by Pakistan army to scuttle the process.
    The communication and evidence on state actors was successfully done by the HM presenting the facts. Since Krishna was going to Pakistan – he could not be seen as scuttling the talks – and since the HM had already presented the facts – they allowed Krishna to dismiss the bogie of Indian terrorism in Baluchistan – and get a neutral or another person to raise another issue – on which Pakistan Army would be provoked to open their hands.
    So Pillai was asked to communicate the already well known facts – which along with Krishna’s communication on Baluchistan and infiltration provoked Pakistan Army to take it as a reason to scuttle the talks thru Qureshi. Pillai would have communicated with full knowledge to all key players.
    I find it inconceivable when the entire Indian Mission in Pakistan and Indian Foreign Services was working with the Pakistan administration to work on the talk in details over the weeks and months – the FM, Administration, the Indian Defence and political establishment of both countries would have been fully updated on the issues and irritants if any.
    During the discussions it would have become obvious that Pakistan wants J&K to come back – with no commitment on terrorism – which was not acceptable to us nor was India in a position to backtrack commitments made internationally to resume dialogues based on actions taken on terrorism. So the only option was to provoke Pakistan administration to state that J&K is the only core issue – and they will not be committal on action on terrorism.
    The above game plan adopted was the only option available – India has succeeded in achieving the above objective which they had set-out. This is why Krishna did not respond when Qureshi was making the provocative statements against Pillai – he was cool – as India wanted Qureshi to react the way he did on predictable lines – so that the Pakistan Army hands come out in the open. He knew that Qureshi was reacting along expected lines – and it suited India perfectly well.
    I would give credit to India administration to wriggle out of a difficult situation they had got themselves into under pressure from the global community.
    Next Steps:
    Having achieved the above objective – what are the next steps that we need to take on a long term basis needs to be re-assessed completely.
    We have ***** footed our Pakistan strategy for too long – when terrorism has been clearly brought to focus in the global world – and it is a fact that no one in the world is really interested nor can they help in reigning in Pakistan Army – our strategy needs to factor this clearly now going forward.
    Having ensured Pakistan is exposed on their inaction on terrorism – our best bet would be state our J&K policy clearly – without ambiguity – which is that no inch of territory under India and specifically in J&K is under discussions for hand over to any other country or to people within J&K to have their own country along with POK. J&K is an integral part of India – and this is not up for discussions in any dialogue process.
    Even on the water issue – we need to clearly state that we will abide only by the water treaty we have committed – nothing more will be shared.
    With the position clearly stated globally – any country including USA who pushes us to have a dialogue – will be informed India cannot be expected to allow its own territory to be negotiated – just the way USA will not allow any of its territory to be negotiated with say Mexico or Canada – or Israel with the Palestinians – and the J&K issue is not open for discussions.
    Then Pakistan will be forced to seek support from other countries to address their fears and concern on water for their people since it still a agriculture economy mostly – to which we can contribute to them by setting up water desalination plants funding – and /or even get USA to fund the projects to address their economic concerns which is presently agriculture then industry oriented – and to suggest to them that the they should not allow any funds to flow to the Pakistan Army for use against India.
    When there are no funds – terrorism funding will be forced to dry up over a period of time – let us see what has happened in Sri Lanka – where LTTE funds really dried up – and they could not get support locally or otherwise.
    Once India states its conditions – the world will be forced to factor it while they suggest solutions to address Pakistan’s concerns. We should now allow any further misinterpretation of what India is willing to discuss – when clearly amongst all political parties there is consensus that what Pakistan wants cannot be given – we need to simply and clearly state it – and if required even thru Parliament – than stating we will discuss under a composite dialogue.
    We can discuss co-operation amongst people, communities, business, etc – but on what we are not willing to discuss should be clearly known to all within India and the world community from a position of strength.
    If Pakistan decides to act with another war – then there are many within the world that will ensure that they do not pursue this route – and even if they do – we have the strength to fight them as required.
    Similarly on terrorism – let us protect ourselves – the way America and many developed countries have protected themselves – with strict measures on security – no compromise – we do not need any approvals from anyone to protect ourselves. These countries are democracies and so are we – so any steps we deem fit will protect us – we should take – this includes setting up fences across the borders – the way USA has done with Canada or Mexico – even though they are friendly neighbors.
    On J&K – we would also need to take bold initiatives and decisions to address the concerns of locals. One way to really address concerns of locals for any state of the country – as fellow citizens – is to provide employment to adult persons within the state – and with the Right to Education – allow all students to get educated.
    All J&K adult persons not employed could be identified thru the UID initiative and train them based on their qualification and put into National projects within J&K and outside – so that they become productive. The employment is not just for one person per family – but the entire adult population.
    The funding for this program would come from the reduction in Defense personnel deployment within the state – and they should be deployed only to protect the borders.
    The 100% employment policy can be pursued for a period of 5 years – when within this period – the people would be so involved in productive and economic activity that the J&K would an issue of the past.
    Just like states like Kerala have achieved near 100% literacy – let J&K be the first state in India to achieve 100% employment to all its state persons. The cost of this initiative would be much lower than the cost we are paying to keep our Defence fighting the infiltrators within the different locations with J&K. Bringing peace to J&K – couples with the strict measures on terrorism in the country will ensure that India prospers.

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  • http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

    @ Azhar Soower Hussian

    dear P-a-k-i friend , when you know that you are no different than a pig , then why unnecessarily abuse.

    well actually i am burning your Pisslamic P-a-k-i a-s-s over here. so please go and roll in the mud to cool it off , the way pigs ( Pakistanis ) do.

    abuse , illogical statements and false allegations are the best weapons of Pa-ki pigs like yourself and Sal. because you can never have a proper argument based on logic and fact.

    think beyond Pisslam. GET SOME MIND FOOD AND LIFE YOU LOSER!!!

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  • vijay kumar

    @Paritosh

    We can at least start with the trifurcation of J&K.

    Once Kashmir looks like just 2100 sq km on the map it would be too small and boring for even to think of creating trouble. Right now Pakistan has the grandiose dreams of building an empire from Afghanistan to Kashmir, not realsing that it, itself is falling into pieces.

    The point is that people of Jammu and Ladakh are now hostage to the machinations of the valley politicians.

    Once Kashmir becomes 2100 sq km, all the so dreams of the Azaadi brand politicians also will die a natural death as they would realise that a landlocked country of 2100 sq kms would not be financiall. ecologiaclly and technically viable.

    Kashmiri Pandits would be welcome to resttle back in Ladakh and Jammu as the administration and police there would be free from the communal bias which plagues Kashmir today.

    Idieally we need to give them back their houses which have been looted and grabbed by the terrorists. But till that happens, the second best option of Jammu and Ladakh– two seperate states — as I proposing would take out a special package for their resettlement.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @ Rajiv Beta

    Read my prevoius posts carefully and try to understabd what I am saying to you.

    Pak’s poverty rate is 17% while India’s poverty rate is 45% (Reference is World Bank) and thats explains every thing who is more poorer.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @inbred-Idiot Sal,

    Poverty rate criteria is defined by governments. India just redefined its criteria. Sure a thug and poor country like Pakistan, where everything is fake, can define poverty in a manner that shows no Paistani is poor !

    Its the per capita purchasing power parity that matters, and Pak is not only poorer , but getting poorer every day.

    But as I said, poorer Pak is no crime.
    You are poor in your own house.

    1. Stop begging
    2. Stop exporting criminals.

    Meanwhile chew on this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    GDP (PPP) Per person PER YEAR,2009 ESTIMATES

    ———————IMF—————–WorldBank———————CIA
    India—————2941—————–3248————————-3100

    Pak—————–2661—————–2625————————-2600

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  • Rajiv

    India has been talking about tri-furcating Indian Kashmir.

    Meanwhile, last year, Pakistan went ahead and divided PoK, ignoring the protests from the Kashmiri terrorists in Muzaffarabad on its pay-roll, and divided PoK into Baltistan and Pok Kashmir.

    Baltistan, now has its own assembly.

    The people of Jammu and Ladhakh have been demanding seperate state status for many years now. In in deference to the views of Kashmiri Valley people, has resisted dividing Indian Kashmir.

    But the time has come to do the obvious. I think, BJP should publicly declare its support for trifurcating Jammu and Kashmir into 3 provinces.

    This is a great time for India to seperate the people of Jammu and Ladhakh from the the jihadi trouble makers in the valley. , and when the seperatists call for bandh, the government too should call for a 1 year bandh in the valley, shutoff all supplies and let the trouble makers stew in their own juices.

    The seperatists in the valley have been creating trouble without consequences. Its time for some consequences.

    The flip side of the problem is that, today the Jihadis don’t fight elections in Indian Kashmir is because they know they will lose because of Jammu and Ladhakh.

    However , both from an administrative standpoint and political standpoint, its time to give Jammu and Ladhakh statehood, which they have been peacefully demanding for so many years.

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  • Rajiv

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    Pakistan Navy trained Kasab and others : Daood Gilani/Headley

    India should make a Libya out of Pakistan and demand compensation.

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    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_pakistan-navy-frogmen-trained-kasab-and-other-terrorists-headley_1411916

    In yet another indication of the involvement of Pakistani establishment in the 26/11 Mumbai attack, LeT operative David Headley has corroborated the statement of lone captured terrorist Ajmal Amir Kasab that the terrorists got training from Pakistan Navy.

    During his interrogation, Kasab confessed that the ten terrorists, including himself, who attacked Mumbai received training of swimming and underwater driving from the Pakistan Navy’s frogmen.

    A frogman is someone who is trained to dive, swim and combat.

    “The role of frogmen was confirmed by Headley when the Indian investigators interrogated him in the US last month,” an official said.

    This is being seen as another clear indicator of the Pakistani establishment’s involvement in the planning and execution of the Mumbai terror attack, which claimed 168 lives.

    Home secretary GK Pillai had recently said that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was “literally controlling and coordinating the (Mumbai) attack from beginning to end”.

    Pakistani-American Headley, currently in American custody, was interrogated by a team of National Investigation Agency.

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    USA and Britain sued Libya , for compensation, and Libya was finally compelled to pay compensation for its involvement in Lockherbie bombing.

    Libya agreed to pay compensation of $2.7 billion to the families of the 270 victims.

    Now that the state of Pakistan’s involvement in the Mumbai attack can be independently proven, its time to do a Libya on Pakistan.

    Sure criminal and begger Pakistan may never pay, but that should become the stick with which to beat the establishment in Pakistan, which hatched this criminal plot and is now protecting the perpetrators.

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @Betay Rajiv

    I am admitting that India’s GDP Per Capita Income is slighly better than PAK Per Capita Income due to its 50 Billionarie US $.

    22% of Pak lives under 1$ in a day —— 42% of India of India lives under 1$ in a day.

    What does above figure means..It means there are more % of poors in India as compared to Pak. Thus there are more numbers of poors in India with respect to % which implies India is more poorer than Pak….

    You know why I am not leaving you beacsue in your earlier posts, you have made lies (you know that) and I am teaching you not to give false information in future but you are Rajiv, so you can do anything.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Inbred idiot Sal,

    I have given links and figures that show,

    Not only Pak is poorter on a per capita income basis, but getting poorre every year !!!!!

    The figures speak for themselves.

    Your lies and criminal defense of Pak criminality, wont change a thing !

    I hope you stay here long enough , or else who else will I deride for defending Pak criminality ?????????????????????????

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  • http://deleted Sal

    @Rajiv chutiyey

    Doesnt suit this kind of a language from a citizen of that country where 35% of World’s poor lives and which is called as World’s largest country of poors on planet. This is heavier than all. Yes I am talking about India…

    You even cannot answer my single question…I told you that I am admitting that India’s GDP Per Capita Income is slighly better than PAK PCI due to some indian Billionarie. So why you are insisting again and again on GDP Per Capita Income.

    22% of Pak lives under 1$ in a day and 42% of India…That means they are more poor in India than in Pak. Put this into your tiny head..

    There is no comparison of poverty between India and Pakistan as India’s poverty is 190% (from above figure) more of PAk’s poverty.

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    Sam Reply:

    @sal.
    so what if there are more poor people.
    that is not a crime.

    inspite of being poor, they are not attacking neighbouring countries..

    also, if all muslims leave india and go to OIC countries..
    the number of poor people in India will come down..

    Is that a good solution ?

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    Sal Reply:

    @Sam

    Yes. Being poor is not a crime and this is correct. I am responding to Rajiv because of its lies which he had posted earlier.

    But why muslims will go OIC from India…India is their country. Why do you always bring Islam and muslims in every matter.

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    Sam Reply:

    >But why muslims will go OIC from India…India is their country. Why do you always bring Islam and muslims in every matter.

    When muslims go to OIC, they can still practice their religion freely and could materially become richer.

    For Hindus, that is not an option…as they have to chose between religion or food.

    So we should encourage muslims to leave to OIC, as it will be easy decision for them..

    Sal Reply:

    OIC will not take muslims and you cannot force muslims of India to migrate OIC.

    Sam Reply:

    @Sal
    How to peacefully encourage Muslims to go to OIC countries ?
    Maybe at the next hajj they should meet other govt officials to relax the visa for muslims from India ?

    If Muslims go to OIC countries, it is good for them and for the remaining people in India.

  • vijay kumar

    Dear donkey lover Sal,

    Ther wealth of Pakistan is concentrated in 22 families who have deposited it in Swiss banks mostly or invested with mafia organisations.

    When Benazir entered Dubai, the real estate prices shot up, It was all kickbacks money.

    So take away the 22 families, the mafia like Dawood Ibrahim and the kickbacks taken by Maleeha Lodhi and her brother, the 10% taken by Zardari from international aid packages,,, Pakistan would be pretty poor.

    Kasab and company blew themselves up for money and sex the end. In his confessions on TV kasab says that…” walid ne kaha behan ka nikaah ho jayega… tumko jannat mil jayegi… ” so go ahead and kill children and innocents in MUmbai.

    In the end, not only is Pakistan poor, it is also psychologiaclly a criminal mafia entity .

    So sal, stop fallig for donkeys and horses… instead change for the better

    Khuda hafiz… :)

    Jai Shri Ram…

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Sal, you poet of donkeys and horse,

    Why have you still not answered my query above…:)

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