Chidambaram’s Plane to Pakistan

Bilateral meetings on the fringes of multi-lateral conferences aren’t unusual. But the one P Chidambaram had with his Pakistani counterpart, Rahman Malik during the SAARC interior ministers’ conference was unique in a way that it was the first of its kind.

From all available accounts, no Indian Home Minister before Chidambaram had set foot on Pakistani soil since the Partition. So while many commentators focused on the visit’s substantive outcome, I was in thrall of its symbolism.

Why? Well, how often does one find Home Ministers whose job entails talking tough, engaged with, rather than engaged against each other? Never before had the future of Indo-Pak dialogue been as much hinged on an interaction on the sidelines of a multilateral conference.

What better way could there have been— than a meeting between Home Ministers — to address the trust deficit the two sides had set out to bridge while signaling resumption of talks at Thimpu, Bhutan? By agreeing to so engage, India rightly seized the opportunity to flag concerns over terrorism from the very soil that provides it sustenance.

Every word that Chidambaram uttered was heard in rapt attention by his hosts and the media. In certain Pakistani circles, he was perceived as India’s next PM in the event of a delay in Rahul Gandhi’s elevation. A former Pak High Commissioner to India even joked about the language in which Malik— whose English isn’t all that good— would converse with the erudite Indian leader.

Atmospherics apart, the value and the longevity of Pak assurances— of going after the masterminds of Mumbai attacks, will have to be tested over time. Chidambaram was politically and diplomatically correct when he said after the talks: “Nobody is questioning intentions; we are looking for outcomes…which alone will decide if we are on the right track.”

Malik announced in the Indian minister’s presence that the CBI and the Pak Federal Investigating Agency would collaborate in fighting terrorism and brining the Mumbai attackers to book. The exact contours of their relationship weren’t immediately clear. But coordination between these Interpol linked probe agencies makes practical sense.

Intelligence chiefs of the two countries — Rajiv Mathur and Javed Noor — also set up a dialogue table. Real time and honest cooperation between the agencies they head can go a long way in giving terrorists a run for their munitions.

The first real test of this tenuous equation is the Indian demand for voice samples of the Mumbai gang’s Pakistani handlers, including Hafiz Sayeed and other LeT big daddies. Malik’s assurances were a huge improvement over Pak foreign secretary Salman Bashir’s description of Indian dossiers as “literature” while he was in India earlier this year.

“We’ve understood the gravity of the Mumbai attacks, which is why we have arrested seven people. We will take action on whatever credible information we are given,” the Hindu quoted the Pak Interior Minister as having stated. He also promised to furnish voice samples sought by New Delhi to establish identities of LeT handlers in conversations recorded during 26/11.

The dialogue’s success or failure will depend on the civilian regime’s ability to deliver on its assurances. The likes of Hafiz Sayeed cannot be sorted out without the ruling politico and Army being on the same page.

There’s no proof — not yet — about General Kayani and his corps commanders ceasing to view India as an adversary in the east and the northwest. Many observers believe India and Pakistan cannot be friends so long they are engaged in a turf-war in Afghanistan.

(8 votes, average: 3.5 out of 5)

Loading ...

Posted by Vinod Sharma on Monday, June 28, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Filed under india · Tagged 2611, Bhutan, Bilateral meetings, CBI, Chidambaram, conference, dialogue, General Kayani, Hafiz Sayeed, Indian Dossier, Indo-Pak dialogue, interaction, LeT, Mumbai attacks, Pakistan, Partition, Rahman Malik, Rahul Gandhi, SAARC interior ministers, symbolism, terrorism, Thimpu

· Comment (RSS) · Trackback

Rajiv

Just as every US administration, pushes past Pak treachery, double-speak and deceit under the carpet, with the hope that things would be different this time, similarly every Indian administration does the same. I guess in absence of a alternate plan, this is a good way to kill time.

The article said,
Atmospherics apart, the value and the longevity of Pak assurances— of going after the masterminds of Mumbai attacks, will have to be tested over time. Chidambaram was politically and diplomatically correct when he said after the talks: “Nobody is questioning intentions; we are looking for outcomes…which alone will decide if we are on the right track.”

While its hard to dispute the correctness of Chidambaram’’s words. the reality is he is no match to Pak’s enormous talent at deceit and dishonesty. There is only one reasonable outcome, if Chidambaram is looking for action against all the 26/11 masterminds listed by Daood Gilani/David Headley – Mr Chidambaram will be added to the long list of persons fooled by Pak.

[Reply]
Usman Chaudhry

Ms Rao and Mr Chidambaram’s visit was long been awaited by highs in Pakistan but what hopes would it bring to two nations. Nothing concrete can be said at this point in time. The kind of the atmosphere building poses some questions. Although common man in Pakistan is less interested in what comes the outcome but it seems more is eager on India’s part. Not so long ago it was the ‘reliable face’ that Mr M Singh couldn’t find in Pakistan to talk to and six months to it we have some signs despite much done by Pakistan to bring 26/11 masterminds to justice. What this difference in mood mean to Pakistan?

With the situation becoming unpredictable in Afghanistan (more to say) under American pressure we saw India inviting table talks with Pakistan. I tilt my views agreeing with what critcs and observers say and rightly so Pakistan and India are far away from being friends until the situation in Afghanistan is clear. The question is “Why Afghanistan?” isn’t this about the export of terrorism on Indian soil? To some extent observers are right. But how?

With Regards,
Usman
Lahore, Pakistan

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Hello Usman saheb
I entirely agree with you when you say that it was not long back that our PM had said that he was not sure whom to talk in Pakistan. So some thing apparently changed so fast that the talks have been resumed. I would like to comment that we ordinary citizen in our two countries hardly know what is cooking up in the corridors of power in our two countries. What ever we read or listen from the media is all speculative and hardly bears to any thing in reality. In the process, the views of the people like you and me are purely based on the happenings which we see in our countries. Surely, it was only after 26/11 , that the opinion of an Indian for a dialogue with Pakistanan got hardened. As it had happened after Kargil , where just before the event , our PM had visited Lahore on a bus to sign a Lahore declaration with Mr. Nawaz Sharief, the Indian people felt cheated. So another reason for the hardening of the attitude at public level. So, it is no use to simply go by the events which are being orchestrated at political level, as no one knows the true facts. However, I suspect that either the Pakistan govt. must have yielded very quietly some important ground to our country which may not be in knowlege of a common man in your country for the dialogues to have been resumed or our govt. must have done it as a matter of strategy going by the stakes involved in Afghanistan. Again it is a matter of speculation.
Guten tag (Good day)
BNA

[Reply]
Usman Chaudhry Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
Dear Dr Anand – Good day to you as well.

You have summed this up very well and indeed rightly so ordinaries like most of us would only see whats happening around and would get first hand knowledge through media and would drive individual inspirations and interpretations. The power of decision making and deciding fate of the nation lies at the hands of high powers something which is beyond our individual sight but connecting dots and trace through history can lead to a prediction.

Certainly, Pakistan has been a front runner both in being victim of terrorism and ally in the war against terrorism. I have little info about how this fancies and helps India because mainly its been towards its west and not towards east on the other hand equally if India is cautious of the situation pervailing in Afghanistan is equally of the same weight. Lets hope these speculations don’t disappoint us and end up well.

It was good to have a new perspective in our talk and would look forward to more of a healthy discussion. I’m a student of computer science and recently graduated do you mind telling your profession and area of interest?

Regards,
Usman

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Hello Usman saheb
Nice to learn that you have graduated in computer science. Congratulations!! What are the future plans?
BNA

Usman Chaudhry Reply:
July 6th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Hello Dr Anand,

Thank You. Currently in pursuit of job and hopefully a career ahead in IT. Parallel to that to serve in education sector. Do you mind letting me know your profession.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Hello Usman Saheb
Have you found a good job? You must watch out and should never be in a hurry to settle for a petty job after graduating in such an important field. May be you can think of doing a post graduation in the same field. The opportunities are tremendous in this field only if you are able to harness your skills and intelligence by a thoughtful decision and through proper counselling.
well, I am a little reluctant to tell you about my profession lest I may lose a cultured and a liberal gentleman for any future informal discussion on these blogs. However, I shall mention very briefly that I am in teaching and guiding reserach at post graduate level in the faculty of science in a university of our country.
BNA

Usman Chaudhry Reply:
July 7th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Well sir, good to know you and your respectable profession. I understand the reluctance you mention and rightly so was well hinted to know your professional background.

No, I’m in transition and would like to go after a reasonable opportunity (if not too good) to kick start my professional career. Thank you for the piece of advise and being cautious about career counselling. Would look forward to more of opinion sharing and humane discussion on the blog.

Take Care & Regards,
Usman

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 9th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Hello Usman Saheb
What is the job position in Pakistan for a qualified computer graduate in the IT field? Are there reasonable number of IT consultant companies in your country? I am sure if you have specialisation in Java especially in structural designing , you should stand a good chance. Otherwise, you may go in for such a specialisation. That will surely be of great value to you.
BNA
Rajiv

Afganistan has nothing to do with Pakistan army/ISI’s collusion with terrorist organizations from Pak soil arrayed against India. Absolutely nothing.

But , if we want to fool ourselves, any reason is a good reason.

[Reply]
Vikram

Waste of time. There is no change in the situation or the basic reasons of terrorism being pursued by Pakistan in India and Afghanistan. It is the cheapest way of keeping both the countries off balance and deriving profit from them.

India is of course an infidel country and there can be no peace with the infidels. Though cannot take the buggers in a straight fight so let us bleed them. We have unlimited source of jihadists in our midst lets send them time to time in Indian cities and make them blow up things. Better target the common man in the buses and trains since the Indian politicians don’t give a **** about them anyway. If at all things get a bit out of hand and India does start acting like they still have a manhood -do an about turn, make all the right sounds and then after sometime back to the same business.

Lot of money to be made from the US and the western countries by keeping on pointing towards the bugaboo that is the so called Taliban. Kill some jihadists when the water comes this high and goras threaten to be blown us to stone age, or some US secretary is on a visit but keep on some Taliban ‘activity’ else we lose relevance and the money train stops.

Lots of handouts from the Chinese too just as long as we are a thorn to both India and USA.

Excellent situation for Pakistan. And how and what has Chidu changed in this situation ????

[Reply]
Rajiv

———————————————–
Can we be this dumb ?
———————————————–

Yes not just dumb but dumber too !

If , Pakistan was interested in prosecuting 26/11 terrorists, it would have been first in line to interrogate 26/11 attack collaborator , Daood Gilani alisa David Headley. After all, Gilani, could identify all his Pakistani handlers and expose the entire conspiracy. Daood has identified 3 Pak army officers who were his handlers.

Why has Pakistan not shown any interest in using Daood Gilani and his testimony to nail the 26/11 attackers in Pakistan ?

Can anyone give me even one reason ?

Meanwhile, from DNA India today

“During his one-to-one meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Rehman Malik, home minister P Chidambaram particularly mentioned about seven persons against whom so far no action has been taken by Islamabad despite sufficient evidences were given.

The seven are Sajjid Mir, Abdul Rehman, Pasha, Brigadier Riyaz, Abu Khafa, Al Kama and Abu Hamza.

The names of these seven persons were given by Pakistani-American LeT operative David Coleman Headley during his interrogation by the National Investigation Agency.”

I am sure, Pakistan ISI and foreign ministry must be laughing at the silliness, credulity and foolishness of Indian ministers and media men mouthing bogus slogans like ‘aman ki ashaa’ and compiling dossiers, fit for a fools museum.

[Reply]
Vinod

No solution untill U.S.A brands Pakisthan as a state sponsorer of Terrorism and imposes economic sanctions. Rewarding terrorism with billions of dollars Aid will backfire and keep the terrorism growing for more Aid money.

[Reply]
sr

Well, this is an international game of chess … while pakistan benefits from this situation (both from US for afghanistan and from China for being a thorn to India), it is only short term. Pakistan has always played this game – they did it during the cold war, during the afghan war, with the saudis etc etc because this was a good way for them to improve their military and keep bringing the money. The only issue with this is, it only offers short term benefits – today, pakistan has a bigger problem internally, thanks to all the seeds they sowed for others in the name of others …. it’s about time, that pakistan starts to think about its future and its citizens lives more seriously.

As for India’s dialogue with pakistan goes, this is a must – what is the other alternative? go to war, create a cold war scenario, start creating polarity? not at all, we need to be playing this game long enough for us to attain the true “superpower” status – meaning a seat at the UNSC with veto power, much more growth, trade, economic and military power. That day, we can start dictating things – you know this is the real lesson of China, they silently amassed the wealth, power and now are becoming more vocal from sudan to iran and elsewhere ….

we need more of these meetings so we can live within the illusion of peace whilst we acquire the power to control (not just militarily). I would even go to the next step of improving trade and economic ties with pakistan so their economy is intertwined with ours – that’s a good situation for the world. no one will want to go to war when it will hurt your profit.

[Reply]
vinod Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Idealistic thought, provided the goals of various levers of power in Pakisthan are congruent with ours.That will be the day !!

[Reply]
Atul8

Dear Vinod,

Its an Interesting multilevel initiative. And I feel that the Indian Govt is creating a gauntlet.

The Indian Govt seems to be sensibly addressing the multiple naysayers in the Pak administration by getting them to individually and publicly commit to the cause of rooting out terrorism.

So now we have done the PM level stuff, we have done the foreign affairs stuff, this visit covers the home ministry stuff.

Do you think that the military and Intelligence agencies are next in line for visits by India?

And will this then effectively curb Pak’s ability to squirm out of their commitments given the fact that all this is being done in the glare of publicity, and is being watched by the world?

[Reply]
sr Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
I think that’s a very interesting thought. However, this rhetoric will stop at the civilian administration – the real power in pakistan is with the military and the ISI and they are smarter. Indian civilian leaders cannot engage with them directly and our military leaders don’t have the power for this rhetoric.

What this will do is further divide the pakistani powerbases (civilian vs military / ISI) – I don’t think that’s necessarily good for India though as everytime, the military wins that war in pakistan and this will result in yet another dictator who we / rest of the world will need to pacify.

I think if India is serious about solving this issue, we need to take another giant leap and help the civilian leaders of pakistan gain real power – even if that means some idiots on their side continue to make anit-india noise.

Or we wait till …

[Reply]
Atul8 Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 6:17 am
@sr,

To my mind, the threat to the Military & ISI in Pakistan is more from the Afghan border than Indian border, rhetoric notwithstanding. Especially with the sudden realisation that there is mineral wealth to be harvested by both countries, and the natural formation of a mafia in the region.

India understands that peace with the neighbour is an essential ingredient in her progress as a world power. That is a given

We know the nature of the entity we are dealing with – we have for the last 25 years – so its now a question of how determined the Indian leadership is to find a resolution without compromising their country’s interest

[Reply]
Shah Jee

Almost all Pakistanis I know (including myself) has no particular interest in this visit. We know that Indians in general, has no intention for now in improving ground situation and have just killed some more Kashmiries today. Terrorism and instability in Middle East and South Asia will not decline or diminish till Israel and India give up land under forced occupation or some mutual solution agreed to all 3 parties of dispute.

All the skilled diplomacy and investments by Indians world around to discredit Pakistan in the hope that it will go away some day will only means more generations growing up in violence pron societies in most of South Asia. Only India has the capacity to fix it and unless majority of Indians realize that peace full co-existence is The solution and has bounty for all, official visits across the border are only good for photo ops.

[Reply]
sr Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
You know it’s idealistic and idiotic to think that if Israel and India do what you want them to do, suddenly palestine, kashmir and pakistan will become synonymous with heaven on earth. I don’t think people on any side of the fence (except for the direct victims) are interested in any kid of peace.

with all due respect, I think you should educate yourself on history a bit. Palestine (west bank) was under Jordan for a decade after 1948, guess what Jordan did? they tried to kick them out as then palestinians outnumbers native jordanians and that meant jordanians cannot hold power…

Violence in kashmir today is because of a multitude of reasons and there is blame to be had on India’s part as well but to solely blame India and to say all pakistan ever wanted was peace in kashmir is total bs …

As a pakistani, you should introspect and see how your country can become a world power and not go down the current path. I think terrorism affect pakistani civilians more than anyone else in today’s world … i think you should grieve for the lost lives of your fellow citizens rather than simply blame others.

As for Indians, we should continue to focus on our growth and way forward – we need to learn from history that no one will ever become powerful by trying to put others down …. our lessons are from china – quietly rise to the top …

[Reply]
Raju Kurien

India should totally ignore Pakistan, focus on its borders, react with brute force at the slightest provocation.

Would US tolerate Mexico sending terrorists to Texas or California? Would China tolerate India or Nepal sending terrorists there?

Why are we not responding?

[Reply]
vijay kumar

I have written a poem for my Pakistani brothers.

I wish Chidambaram sings it oput to them.

This could wash the heart of all hatred which evil preachers of Pakistan unleash on the poor unsuspecting minds of Pakistani children, youth and adults, converting them into humanity hating fanatics.

I am writing a poem for you….

_____________________________—–

O Pakistani brothers…..

O Pakistani brothers…..

be not proud when a fanatic kills a shia….

because a shia is also a human being….

O Pakistani brother do not celeberate when your jehadis kill Ahemadiyyas….

because a Ahmendiyaa too breathes and thinks and is human…..

O Pakistani brother, do not dance when your fundamantalists behead Sikhs,

because Sikhs too have a right to live and are kind human beings…

O Pakistani brothers do not sing with joy when your suicide bombers murder Hindus…

For HIndus are kind hearted people who believe in co-existence of religions…

Be not proud when Pakistsni murder, kill, rape and maim in the name of religion….

When they forcefully exterminate Christians and Parsis….

When they bomb the rest of the world.

Be proud only if you do a good deed to people of other religions…..

Be proud if you beleive that the religious murderers are dogs who need to be exterminated….

Smile and see the sun and the moon P{akistni brothers….

The earth belongs to all of us…..

[

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
sing this at Aman ki bull s-h-i-t Asha.

[Reply]
http://www.tanzeel.wordpress.com Tanzeel

Nothing new is going to happen. It was a Saarc meeting on usual issues which will be forgotten later.

—————————————–
http://www.tanzeel.wordpress.com

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
it would be better if India takes an assertive stance and stops this b-u-l-l s-h-i-t at once. we should better focus to build our military strength in order to successfully attack and destroy Pakistan.

A STABLE PAKISTAN IS NOT IN INDIA’S INTEREST.

[Reply]
Tanzeel Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 1:15 am
Yes it would be better but since Pakistan has developed its nuclear structure and have established various military agreements with international powers, India has opted to pursuit dialogue policy rather than force. I don’t know why!

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

i would really feel contended when i see millions of P-a-k-i-s being massacred like cockroaches. that is what they deserve. no peace and friendship with these scums

[Reply]
Tanzeel Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 1:16 am
Tell this to your Government who think they have no options but to make friendship with Nuclear Pakistan.

[Reply]
Rajiv

@Sr,
I think you are mistaken if you beleive you can outfox the Pak leaders and drive a wedge between the civilian leadership and its Jihadi-Mulla-criminal conglomerate.

The army/ISI controls every lever of power, including monitoring every communication that emanates from Zardari, Gilani . Read the UN report on Benazir assasination, which details how ISI/Army control every level of power in Pakistan, rendering the civilian leadership as the men in charge of collecting alms and begging for aid around the world , for the army and ISI. Thats the only role allowed of the civilian leadership, to collect money and arms for the army.

In fact, we are fooling ourselves by thinking that the Pak civilian leadership is not in league with the ISI-Army-Jihadi conglomerate just because of its compulsion for self-survival.

India’s best course of action is bening neglect of Pakistan with the ultimate goal of zero contact with a criminal entity, unless we someday , miraculously see, that the entity has reformed itself from within.

[Reply]
sr Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
I don’t believe that is an option for us. Pakistan is too close to our comfort and militarily very capable – contrary to what someone wrote in the comments section, we cannot destroy pakistan without destroying ourselves (it’s foolish to think otherwise).

I agree with you that the civilian leadership’s job today is to find money / arms for the army but i don’t believe that this is a conspiracy – i think it’s a marriage of convenience. Civilian leadership there cannot survive without army’s support and they know it and they have to do what they have to do keep their support.

India’s best chance is to continue this diplomacy till we can find a way to empower their people to take back their country from the army – it might be a bloody day but otherwise we cannot carefully or carelessly neglect them. No matter how much India grows, the other powers (a.k.a china) will use pakistan to impede our growth or to drag us back and military war against pakistan is one India CANNOT win (there are just no winners) … i agree with you that time and time again, pakistan has diplomatically outsmarted India (which is pretty pathetic as we watching from the sidelines can see this but the Indian govt cannot but so long as politicians like mamta, modi exist, it is easy to unsettle our govt)

However we have a shot at economic victory and that is the path we should pursue …

it’s the same problem in israel-palestine, no matter who is right / who’s wrong there and whatever happened in the past (ignore all that for one second), this could be solved if Israel spent $20B and built industries in west bank (and not Gaza) so palestinians in gaza can see how prosperous people in west bank are … people in west bank will have something to lose, something to provide for their family … that is what every human being needs … again, it is pretty myopic yet objective view of solving the conflict as no one will ignore the past that easily …

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
@Sr,
I never advocated war. Only minimal contact. No embassies, no consulates.

If there are 188 countries in the world, we will just assume that there are 187.

There is no reason, why we can’t have minimal contact. That will cause less aggravation .
Terrorists may continue to come and India will have to continue to kill them as and when they are found. India will have to continue to strenthen its army , intelligence abilities.

But if India does any business with Pak, any contact, it will stand to lose. You can bet on it.
Pak is a criminal entity to its core based on founding political ideology of Jinnah, moved forward by PML-Taleban-Pak army-ISI.

We are only fooling ourselves if we think we can moderate them.
USA , with billions of dollars of aid has been trying to moderate Pak behaviour for past 60 years. The results are just the opposite.
Such aid has only built up a even more venal, criminal and duplicitous army and ISI which is the mother of all terrorist groups operating out of Pakistan.

If you have an incorrigible thug in your neighbourhood, do you try to engage him to moderate him or do you try to avaoid eye contact and carry a heavy gun ?

[Reply]
sr Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 1:02 am
Rajiv, i know you didn’t advocate war but we live in a world that if we don’t engage a neighbor whose foreign policy revolves around troubling us, it will lead to war and provocation from them.

BTW, I don’t agree that US has been trying to make pakistan moderate for the last 60 years. I don’t think anyone tried to make them moderate ever – everyone used them for their benefit and even the pakistanis found it beneficial to cooperate. US funded them during cold war as they picked sides and it would act as a check against Indo-Soviet ties, then US funded them again to arm afghans against soviets and now are funding them to fight the taliban / terrorists … they didn’t fund them to make them peaceful but for purely military / strategic purposes.

We cannot afford to have minimal contact as terrorists will continue to flow to India and disrupt lives here, what happens when there is another border skirmish and no diplomatic / economic contacts? the only options that will be left are military or further distance yourself (which is not possible) – it’s not like you distance yourself and they will appreciate it, they will provoke – same goes for your analogy with the thug, remember if the thug carried heavy guns as well, what do you do? BTW, (again ignoring the history and just focusing on the current situation objectively), do you think Israel is a safer place today? Based on your recommendation of minimal / no contact and iron hand they should be – but they are not … neither are the palestinians … now if they were economically engaged and they would have a lot to lose – they will be both carry a different attitude towards each other …

I still believe, India can solve this issue only economically (diplomacy is just the means to an end) – make them dependent on you and it’s in their best interests to protect you / stay out of your way. Look at China and Taiwan – taiwan wouldn’t dare do anything against China’s interests anymore … they are economically tied and Taiwan (or anyone who helps them) stands to lose a lot. Even the US is cautious as China is officially the largest foreign holder of US debt. If they dump the dollars (which they won’t do as they are tied at the hip), US will crash … That is what we need to learn … I do agree these half measures only gives them get more alms / aid to improve their military … also, an unstable pakista with such a great access to huge military / intelligence is not a good thing for india …

Though it’s hard, people should remove emotion and be objective …
http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

Why BJP cannot get all India in a united platform?
Because it is leaderless at centre. It has no leader worth like who can lead the party at centre.National level politics needs a aggressive leader who should be competent enough to draw big crowds in his name alone by his fiery speech.But at present the big leaders at national level have no such competency.
What would happen then to India? Now Indian people are leaderless and the country is rudderless. It is passing through a anarchical phase with chaotic conditions.
If BJP can bring an vociferous fiery speech leader into national level it can bring the crowds who ultimately bring votes. At present two leaders are in sight one is narendra Modia nd another is Varun Gandhi who has the ability to mesmerize the voters by their fiery speeches.Narendra Modi has already learnt the tactics to pull the crowds and Varun is learning the tactics.
Our country is at the end of its unity as the naxalites and Maoists are wreaking havoc in countryside and jungles and killing our jawans from POLICE,CRPF & BSF. They are misguiding the youths by hollow promises under Maoist lectures and indoctrinating them. Small children’s are being picked up from schools as the LTTE was doing in shrilanka and putting guns in their hands. They have occupied a large tract of Indian land in the states of ORISSA, ANDHRA, CHHATSIGARH,WB,BIHAR,JHARKHAND & MAHARASHTRA. But Indian govt is keeping silence and putting the whole onus on the state govt to deal with them with their limited resources of arms and ammunitions and forces.
In Kashmir the policy of state and centre govt is to appease the Muslim fundamentalist and separatists. The policy by centre to give free hand to separatist movement of HURRIYAT LEADERs has played havoc with the unity of country. When the people of Kashmir has every freedom in Kashmir how can a small group of separatist leaders hold them captive and demand ransom in shape of independence. Our late PM indira Gandhi had to face a similar situation when the Khalistan movement was at its peak in Punjab and they demanded independent Khalistan out of Punjab. But our brave and determined PM Mrs. Gandhi had sent army and forces to finish them off. And our army and state govt of Sardar Beant Singh and Police D.G. Shri KPS Gill had cleansed them. It was a surgical operation.
Now in Kashmir we need such surgical operation to cleanse the valley of Kashmir from the separatists and terrorists who had infiltrated in the valley to condemn our forces by false rumors and planted stories.
If BJP can bring all the Hindu forces together in one platform and create a strong Hindu party with all Hindu votes in a separate bank and drawing all the Hindu voters of 85% of Indian Hindus to polling booth in next elections and show to these so called secular parties that their policy of appeasement of Muslims is failed them, then the country can be pulled out of the impending perils.

[Reply]
Gopi Thomas Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
You pointed to the state/center issue. I think lot of these issues, including terrorism cases, languish because of this “no mans land”. It is time to amend the constituition, incorporating the situations (like mao, telengana, etc etc) where central forces (including military) will be sent. I may be wrong, theer may already be these stipulations in the constitution, may be ministers and bureaucrats are chickening out from their responsibilities.

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand

Dear Vinod Sharma ji
Irrespective of the fact whether the deliberations on the sidelines of a multilateral meet in Islamabad between Mr. Chidambram and Mr. Rehman Malik make any breakthrough in Indo-Pak relations, the opportunity was surely a unique event. But not for the reasons you mention in your blog. In my opinion it was for different reasons. It was at this meeting that the Indian National flag was displayed upside down. It was probably the third time that Pakistanis displayed on formal occasions the Indian flag in an upside down form. It happened in 2005 when President Musharraf visitng India for the Agra summit had Indian flag flying updside down on his airplane. It happened again during a cricket match between two countries in Pakistan. It has happened again now at the meeting of the two Home Ministers of the two countries. Do you think that Pakistanis are so dumb or naïve to be making this mistake so often innocently? Surely, there is a Indian flag code which strictly defines the display or use of the flag. I believe Pakistanis do it deliberately to provoke and irritate the guests and psychologically put them off the track before the start of any formal negotiations. That is why, they always have a face reader in their delegation to gauge the inner thinking in the minds of Indian delegation. Surprisingly, how come we always accept this insult so lightly and without being reactive on this point and to dismiss the insult to the Indian flag as a minor gaffe. Well, someone ( Mr. Rajiv) rightly commented on your blog that we can not compete with our neighbor in terms of deceit and dishonesty and also the psychological games they play at such meetings. No wonder, we are often labelled a soft state.
Regards
BNA

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
June 30th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
In the Indian flag, Saffron ( the color of Sanatan Dharma ) is the top layer, green (color of Saudi ) is the bottom layer.

Any wonder, why Pak keeps hanging the flag upside down ?
But those are trivial issues and if you do not engage Pak, you don’t have to deal with petty people.

There is no one more secular , a professed atheist and liberal, than JawaharLal Nehru.
In the end, even he concluded that Jinnah’s Muslim league ideology is inconsistent with a democratic, pluralistic, liberal state and India would be destroyed if it tried to accomodate and do business with religious fanatics and to save India , Pakistan must be formed.

Then why do we labor under the illusion that you can have a civilizwed relation with Jinnah’s Pakistan ? It was not possible in 1947 and its 63 times more impossible now.

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Hello Rajiv
Thanks for your response.
So that proves that, after all, Pakistanis are not dumb. In fact they proved smarter going by your logic. God forbidding, if we had played a similar game, I am sure Pakistanis would have walked out of the meeting amd would have made such a hue and cry that the whole world would have blamed us. Look what happend after Danish cartoons. Even Pope had to make efforts to diffuse the situation. I hope you recall when Bhutto had shouted at Swaran Singh” Indian dogs are going away” in a UNSC meeting when Mr. Singh was walking out as a protest on some unparliamentary remarks of Mr. Bhutto. Pakistan does it deliberately very often but we have trivialised it so much that the neighbour is emboldened to repeat it again and again simply to hurt us at every possible opportunity.
Yes, benign neglect of Pakistan is the only ideal option for our country.But our diplomats are so bankrupt in their ingenuity that we are forced to talk to our neighbour for one reason or another. May be this time, it is due to Afghanistan where our country has made huge investments. Our country has now started feeling insecure after USA made announcements of withdrwal from Afghanistan next year and Pakistani army and ISI now mediating a reconciliation between Mr. Karzai and Haqqani faction of Taliban. It is quite a complicated situation and I am sure that the Indian govt. may be simply buying time by engaging with Pakistan. For sure, no durable peace is possible with an islamic state. The situation may change for better for our country if USA decides to stay indefinitely. The prospects for this are indeed good going by the discovery of trillion dollars of minerals which includes precious lithium metal in the vast expanses of Afghanistan.
Regards
BNA

[Reply]
vinod sharma Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Dear Dr Anand,
Pl don’t mind my saying so. But sometimes you really overstretch your nationalist sentiments—eg you comment that the visit of Chidambaram was unique becoz they put our flag upside down. Well, I plainly disagree.
Surely, the controversy involving our flag was hugely avoidable. But what were our embassy officials there doing? It’s as much their job to ensure that no disrespect is shown to our standard.
About Musharraf putting our flag upside down on his plane— I’m not aware of the incident and am unsure whether visiting leaders are required to put the Indian flag on their aircraft. Suggest u cross check these facts at your end.

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Dear Sharma Saheb.
Thanks for your response.
yes, I am very sure.at least what I write on your blog. I check my facts many times before I venture to comment. I am fully aware that I am interacting with not only a well informed person but also highly respected professional journalist of the country (though we differ on many points).You may google search and you will find all these facts. Though I am not a journalist by profession but keep myself well informed to the extent I get time from my profession.
Yes , there may not be a protocol, I am also not sure, that President Musharraf had to fly the flags of Pakistasn and India on his airplane while visiting for the agra summit, But he did this and this faux pass did happen.
did happen.
Yes , you are right. The nationalistic sentiments are ingrined too deep in me despite not belonging to any saffron organisation.
Regards
BNA

[Reply]
Ryan Paul Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 8:43 pm
Dr BNA is correct in asserting that Pervez Mushraff during one of his India visit (when he traveled to Ajmer) had the Indian Flag displayed upside down in the Cockpit window of his plane . This was noticed not by Indian Authorities but by some alert Indian News Channel ( I think Zee News) and was immediately brought to the attention of Pakistani team who deliberately took a long time to correct their mistake.

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com muslim bhagawat

WHY INDIA WOULDNOT BE STRONG TO SHOW THE WORLD
We feel our self proud that our own Gandhijee has fought with British govt silently with non violent agitation and brought freedom to our country from the chains of bondage. But it is our misfortune that we had been remained as bondage to the congress party and they are exploiting the sentiments of our people by dividing them on caste, creed,race,religion lines.
We are divided by caste by the constitution makers by giving the unprivileged the separate status and giving reservation to them in the constitution.Althugh the step seems to be realistic in many ways and also worked for the betterment of these communities but the reservation system which was meant for a specific period was extended many times and continuing till date. Above all the Mandal commission was constituted to grant reservation to the weaker section of society but it has opened up a Pandora’s box by advocating granting special status to the other backward castes .This has created a serious division in the Hindu society and they were divided and fighting among themselves. It was a political masterstroke by Mr.V.P.SINGH to vanquish congress as he had some deep hatred for congress but he cannot do enough damages.
Congress was a party of national leaders till Nehru was alive and thereafter it got only the political demagogues. None of the leaders who had ascended the throne in Delhi after Rajiv Gandhi can be called a true national leader. MR.P.V.N.RAO,H.D.DEVE GOWDA,VP SINGH,CHANDRASEKHAR,I.K.GUJARAL are leaders of lesser importance who are just passing the time in gap as the PM . Atal Bihari Vajpayee was a good PM but he cannot establish his stamp on the govt as he was pressurized by the hardliners in his party. Now we have Mr.Man Mohan Singh who is weak and unfit PM as he is being camouflaged by the US, Pakistan and china as well as Sonia.We need a strong, efficient PM who should have the personality to talk tough, work tough and act tough.It may be either from Congress or BJP.Congress has a leader like Indirajee-PRIYANKA GANDHI.
We are highly obliged to Mrs Indira Gandhi who had saved our country from the anarchy and chaotic condition of the country by her strong steps in crushing the khalistan agitation,creating Bangladesh,amalgamation of Sikkim.We cannot forget her sacrifice for Indian unity.
Mr.Narendra Modi has all these qualities which should have been in a politician, diplomat,nation builder.He is like the iron man our deputy PM late Sardar Ballabh Bhai Patel, who had worked brilliantly to unite india.He has the qualities of Bishmarck,Napolean and Alexander.But Congress party and some NGO’s are trying their level best to tarnish his image to portray him as a monster & dragon. He is the only leader who can save the country from anarchy; chaos and division. We need his services in centre and national politics. He should be brought to national politics by the BJP high command and entrust him the works of going to each and every corner of India in the next four years and fill the hearts of all the people with patriotism and nationalism and fighting qualities.

[Reply]
Rajiv

A friend of mine , who used to work for IBM in USA, said that the only state in India , where they do not have to bribe or use other means for State government projects , was Gujrat.

He was impressed by the promtness and professionalism of the Modi adminstration.

[Reply]
shantiveer kaul Reply:
July 1st, 2010 at 10:45 pm
@Rajiv,
There is no end to discovery and learning. I never knew that one could actually speak English with an accent that is a cross between French and (you heard it right) Seraiki, till I saw Mon. Shebby Singh expert opinionating on World Cup Football @ ESPN

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 3:18 am
The so called, 1 trillion Afghan mineral wealth news , is being misread by some.

As the US government clarified, this is not any new news and they have just added up the results of Afghan surveys, that have been done over years and they have just reconfirmed it.

Its all lying below the ground, as in any other country.

The reason, USA publicized it , as per analysts here is because, they want to tell the Afghan people that fighting is not the only way to make a living. If instead of fighting and digging graves, if they started digging for minerals, they could possibly have a better standard of living.

Regarding Indian interests in Afganistan, India has almost zero economic interests. India has concentrated in building Afghan parliament, some hospitals, power-grid and some roads. Its a insignificant part of Indian economy.

India’s interests is purely political. Everyone remembers those dark days when Pak jihadis, sponsorted by the criminal ISI, hijacked the place to Kandhar and India could not do anything. India does not want a criminal ISI-Sponsored government in Afganistan, where more planes can be hijacked.

Its that political and security aspect that drives Indian desire to have a moderate, non-CRMIMINAL entity in Kabul.

Rest is all BS.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Dr. Anand yes it is a shame such people got elected into our parliment, but due to media’s aggressive reporting, Department of Education has been forced to check the records. Now several ministers had to resign and will be facing the music, because the judiciary is actively involved. Independent Judiciary and Independent Media has playing revolutionary role in Pakistan and soon these third class leaders will be purged out. Now look in the mirror and what do you see, read the following article. You guys have become in the habit of barking about Islam and Pakistan but always forget to look in the mirror.

AHMEDABAD: Thirty six candidates, who have won themselves a seat in the state’s highest law-making body, have a large number of criminal cases registered against them.
Because the BJP has a major swing in its favour, it has sent nothing less that 28 MLAs with criminal records to the Assembly this year. Despite barely taking 50 seats, the Congress has managed to send six such MLAs.
The Janata Dal (U) on the other hand has only two MLAs in the House in Chhotubhai Vassava and his son Mahesh Vassava and both have long list of alleged crimes to their credit.
BJP Gondal MLA Jairajsinh Jadeja on the other hand has an atrocities’ case against his name in which the police is believed to have video-taped evidence.
Jadeja’s name also features in the Upleta bomb blast case, kidnapping of a businessman in Wakaner, attempt to kill, again inWakaner, ‘angadiya’ loot at Jetpur and in the Swaminarayan temple murder case in Gondal. He has also been accused of giving dubious loans worth lakhs of rupees from the Gondal Nagarik Sahakari Bank.
These crimes, however, are nothing compared to the likes of Jetha Bharwad from Shehera, Purshottam Solanki from Ghogha, JituVaghela from Sheher Kotda in Ahmedabad and Kanti Amrutiya from Morbi, all of whom belong to the BJP.
If Solanki was named in the Mumbai riots, apart from 15 cases of murder and dacoity, Amrutiya too has his own list of alleged murders including that of Prakash Revashia, president of the Morbi Nagar Palika and chairman of Morbi Nagrik Co-op Bank.
If Jitu Vaghela has four criminal cases to his name in the Gomtipur police station for rioting, arson and possessing illegal arms, Bharwad has already been to jail and has been accused of rape, bogus voting and booth capturing during previous elections.
The Congress candidates are not innocence personified either. The most serious offender among the six elected is Vithal Radadiya from Dhoraji who has at least seven criminal cases and 40 other cases pending against him. He himself admits to 14 cases, most of which are of violent nature including threatening and beating up people.
The Gujarat ElectionWatch, madeup of eminent citizens of Ahmedabad has already compiled the list of these 36 candidates and is in the process of sending it to almost anyone who matters, from the President, prime minister and deputy prime minister, to all MPs of Lok Sabha, Rajya SabhaandallMLAsof the Gujarat Assembly.
Says Watch member professor Trilochan Sastry, “All Gujarat MLA’s know the backgrounds of these 36 colleagues of theirs and yet they are not raising an alarm. This only means they are in the House to enjoy the fishes and loaves of power, not to provide better governance.”

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Sir
What you write is absolutely correct. But I believe possessing a fake degree to fight an election is different from an eligible person but having a criminal background. Moreover as per legal dictum, one is innocent till proved guilty. It isa pity that the courts in the subcontinet take years too decide criminal cases and in the meantime the members get elected again and again. But did n’t the Pakistan EC oversee the authenticity of the degrees? But I do appreciate this clause of the law passed during President Musharraf’s regime that only educated people (at least a graduate) be eligible for fighting the elections. it is another matter that even responsible people in your country say that degrees are degrees, whether authentic or fake and possessing fake degress is after all not a big crime. I am only contesting the wisdom to be making such statements by the rulers (in states or federal govt.) in Pakistan.
Regards
BNA

Sal Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Dr. Anand

Look….Many people get elected in Assemblies (Both Provincial & National) in Pak last year who got fake degrees…This is really a shame and you didnt miss a chance to insult Pak for that matter. But why you didnt write the whole truth which is 2 dozens ministers of Pak had resigned for having a fake degrees duet to Judiciary of Pak…Even today, 2 ministers had resigned….

And why you dont write that in last indian election, more than 150 people got elected in Indian National assembly who has criminal cases pending in indian courts…. Your ignore your own very deadly reality and point fingers to Pak and dont miss a single opportunity. And as far as “one is innocent till proven guilty” doesnt apply in that case Because these more than 150 indians are yet not guility beacuse of the incapability of Indian judiciary..It has nothing to do with their innocence…

Atleast why you dont appreciate Pak judicary who has the capability & courage to stand against those very powefrul Pak Govt ministers & opposite politicians who cheated their own people….

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Hello sal
Let me assure you that it was never my intention to insult your country at any time. As it is a current topic being discussed in your country and occupying lot of media space, I just happened to make a passing reference. But when you wanted to correct me as to who said what e.g ” holding fake degrees is not a big crime and it hardly matters as degress are degrees , authentic or fake” that I only responded to your response. Yes, the supreme court in your country is busy in the cleansing of the system. I like the anger of the people in your country on this account as no one surely will feel proud of such a situation. But is n’t it a matter of big embarrassment for you and your country that more than 10% of your counyttry’s federal and provincial legislators to be possessing fake degree to meet the requirement for holding offices? ( reference: Pakistan media)
As for as people with criminal background holding offices in our country, yes, I also feel bad and believe that the judicial system needs to be reformed and the process is underway. But till it is done, we have to accept that ‘one is innocent till proved guilty”. But once any one is convicted by the court, he is immediately made to quit and undergo the punishment as decided by the court. For that matter, some CMs of states in our county have gone to prison. But , allow me to say and it is without any malice, that it is not like in your country when the the interior minister of your country is convicted, he has not to go to prison because the President immediately pardons him and he becomes immune to the court punishment. Thus he escapes from going to jail and even continues to be holding the federal ministry.
BNA

Sal Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Dr. Anand

I agree with most of the points you said but many of your country men here point fingers to Pakistan when every incident occur and forget their own deadly reality….

In Pakistan, there is a tussle going on between Judiciary and Govt….Rehman Malik is interior minister of Pakistan but still Judiciary convicted him which was expected.He was in Punjab at that time and he immidiately left Punjab and came Singdh otherewise he could have been behind bars.

Zardari pardoned him immediately…and the appeal against this action is pending in a court.

In this month, Pak courts convicted 4 americans for 10 years against terrorism charges which didnt occur. Now what happen in India in Bhopal gas tregady and what happened to Anderson and how many people get killed in Bhopal gas tregady and what did your judicary do..You can see here the clear difference…

Atleast Pak judicary has the guts & capability to do justice even it goes against its own Govt….

vijay kumar Reply:
July 6th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Dear Azhar hussain ji,

Sach toh Sach hota hai….

Aur sach yeh hai ki….

PAKISTAN IS NOT A COUNTRY….. IT IS JUSTA MAFIA ORGANIZATION WITH HEADQUARTERS IN ISLAMABAD and JANNAT !! :)

Waha wah wah !! Ha aha HA !!!

N. Bhagwandas Reply:
July 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm
India and Pakistan will be destroyed by RSS & Taliban respectively. As a devout Hindu and a Sanatani, I am trying (in my humble way) to save India from the devils and terrorists of Hindutva, the RSS., which is the world’s largest terrorist organisation with its institutionalised riot systems.

Now let’s spring into a song :

2010 National Song ! to be sung by each and every Indian.

Sakhi Saiyyan to shaant swabhaav ke hee hain
RSS Daa`in uksaaye jaat hai -2
Har maheene uchle Togadia; Muthalik ka uchla hai ROLE
Sushma Bai kaa kaahe bol !

Jhoota prachar kar kar ke nafrat badhaye hai
Ussa baans maati daang mari jaat hai
RSS Daa`in khaaye jaat hai – 2

Advani Dada be-haal hai
Mrut shaiyya par pichkey hain gaal rey
Dangey kara-kara kay, Jhad gaye baal rey
Aur Sushma Jiji bhee khaa gayee maat hai
RSS daa`in khaaye jaat hai

Bholi janata ko uksaao – har maheene dangaa karaao
Idd – Baraat – Diwali – Dushehra
Jhoote itihaas ki ho gayee barmaar hai
Gadkari ka jhoota prachaar hahakaar hai
Sach bhi to laagey Parsaad rey !!!

Vasundhra Jiji bhee khaa gayee maat hai
RSS Daa`in maarey jaat hai
Pragya aur Purohit desh todna chaah hai
Is saazish mein RSS unke saath hai

Bhonsla Military School Nashik mein kya padhaat hai ?
Koi jaake dekhe wahan kya kya hovat hai…
Bhonsla School mein kya kya hovey hai
Kya dangey bilast (blast) ki saazish andar hovey hai

Bal Thackerey phire aazaad hai
Babu Bajrangi phire aazaad hai
Sirf “shak” par Masoom log jail mein band
Kalasangra Aseemanand Gujarat Govt. Guest house mein !
RSS daain khaaye jaat hai.

Reddy-brothers illegal mining karat hai
Karnatak mein Yeddy ka moo bharat hai
Bharat ke sanvidhaan ki dhajjiyaan udaat hai
RSS daa`in khaaye jaat hai

Aur aagey kaa kahun ? Kaha nahin jaat hai
RSS daa`in khaaye jaat hai.

Arrey saiyyan marr gaye hamaare………….
Kisi aaye gaye mein.. Kisi aaye gaye mein..
RSS daa`in maare jaat hai… (chorus)

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 6th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Hello Sal
That is a nice way to debate. Yes, the Industrial accident took place in Bhopal and many thousand people died because of poisnous methylisocyante which is impregnated with another highly poisnous phosgene gas. These are important components for manufacturing pesticides.That was a big tragedy , and the whole country is in arms against the congress govt. as to who allowed Mr. Anderson escape the country. A compensation of 470 million was settled( in terms of 1984, that was not a small amout but may be peanuts according to present times). The govt. is really very nervous to sort out this and a group of ministers appointed have already recommended an increased compensation. But you will agree that when the country is growing industrially, there is always a chance that such accidents will happen. I hope you have not forgotten the nuclear disaster from Chernobyl and recently the spill of BP oil in ther gulf of Mexico. The American govt. is demanding plenty of compensation from BP, an English company. We all should be equally worried that when our bioth countries are going for nucclear technology and pray that such accidents never happen in this part of the world. But can we avoid these completely?
Yes, your judiciary of late is quite proactive and hopefully something good will come out of this. But , you have to agree, that your democratic system is till very shaky and fragile.Who knows one day your country is again taken over by army. I hope it does not happen, but you can not rule it out completely going by the past history in this regard of your country. But no body personally blames you for this. On the other hand you should be straight and honest to accept it and still no one will doubt your patriotism.
BNA

Usman Chaudhry Reply:
July 7th, 2010 at 12:08 am
I found the debate between Sal and Dr Anand very interesting and quite so both have presented good arguments in defense.

Yes, Dr Anand signs of recovery in judiciary is there to be seen yet it still has to cover a lot of major grounds and I wish well to that. If you recall it was the famous lawyer movement and judicial activists that had sent military dictator Pervaiz Musharaff home and forcing him to leave the office. This was a big blow and joyous moment in the history of Pakistan. But its not done yet, we (Pakistanis) have yet to cover a lot to make a strong infrastructure not allowing military again to be in ruling position. This starts of with clean and fair political system.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Hello Usma saheb
Yes, the efforts of professional lawyers and media in your country were of gigantic proportions to have succeeded in getting the CJP reinstated. That too during the regime of President Musharraf. There is always a clash of interest between judiciary and the legislative wing of the democracy. Usaully, it is the Parliament / state legislation which are ultimately able to assert. Hope it also proves so in your country.
BNA
Usman Chaudhry

Greetings Dr Anand,

It appears only you have shed some light on situation going inside Afghanistan, something which others are either unaware of or would not like to believe in. Wisely so like you said I too believe Indian authorities are only buying time to engage with Pakistan and trying tactics to play soft. Well, India’s investment for whatever reason, was something that was known to Pakistan for quite some time and rightly so nearly all foreign presence in Afghanistan was attributed to get their hands on marking and paving oil trade routes, investing with companies for mineral extracts (five indian companies bided for various projects), setting up permanent military base camps for nuclear watch dog over Islamic countries like Pakistan and Iran and also for the ending contract of US military presence in gulf and above all middle east peace crisis etc all under the puppet Afghan civil government. If US decides an exit by next year it would now stand test for India’s presence in Afghanistan.

Look forward to your response.

Regards,
Usman

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Hello Usman Saheb
I would have loved to respond on this subject but I suppose the author of the blog, Mr. Vinod sharma , may not be too happy with us for digressing from the main topic of his blog. Any how, hopefully, at another proper platform I may be able to comment on this topic as a response to your views on this subject. It was indeed a pleasure , as always to be exchanging views with you.
Regards
BNA

[Reply]
vijay Kumar

Dear Tanzeel,

Today your “brave” jehadis killed 44 people in Lahore by blowing themselves up. Do you honestly think they have gone to jannat?

If so, can you give me their address now, so that i can send them a post card congratulating them for reaching heavan by short cuts…

In your articles you display a discernable pride that since Pakistan now has nuclear weapons, it can keep trying to blow up the world and nobody can do a f—k about it.

Live in your ignorance, son. The whole world is watching Pakistan, testily. And one day may decide to dismantle Pakistan and make a few independent countries out of it like, Baluchistan, Sindh and Punjab. Till then you can keep dancing with joy as and when you kill Shias, Ahmediyaas, Sikhs, Hindus and Christians.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@Vijay Kumar

It would be nice if you talk abt Kashmiri youth atrocities done by your security forces just in this week and then wat happened in all of the Kashmir valley…And If you like then you can also have an opportunity to discuss killing of 26 security personnel by your Maoist in this week in one of the area of Red Corridor which covers 1.3 of your country….

And of course you will not talk abt separatist movements going on from Kashmir to Assam in your beloved country….I understand that..

So keep continue killing kashmiris cos they dont to live with India and this is y they deserved to be killed….and talk abt the future dismantle of Pak because it is make who make Maoist poors and forced them to fight against poverty and discrimination…

[Reply]
Tanzeel Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Dear Kumar,

I never support suicide bombings or whatever they doing in the name of religion however in order to tackle Anti Pakistan comments I have to introduce the taste of nuclear that balances equation with Indian hatemongers.

—————————————————-
http://www.tanzeel.wordpress.com

[Reply]
Rajiv

Jihadi sal doesn’t understand that while India fights Jihadi criminals and Maoists , be in Valley or forests , the Islamic Republic of Pakistan trains, arms, protects all kinds of criminals from Taleban to Let to HJeM or Hizbul Mujahideen !

These criminals are jewls in the crown of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Thats the difference between India and Pakistan , but I guess you need at least low level IQ to get it.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
@Rajiv

Who the hell r u to decide Pak train Terrorists and Taliban while India fight crminals and Maoist…Who the hell r u..

I know Pak better than u…Let me say u again….I know Pak far better than u

And One more thing…You r killing Kashmiris who r fighting for independecne..They r not crmiminals….You r the one who promised to give them the right of self determination and then later you betrayed…and the reason u know very well…

And Moaist..they r fighting for poverty unlike Taliban who use political reasons….Political reasons will be solved in next 1 or 2 years but you need decades to remove poverty in Maoist hit areas…

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
@ Sal

“Who the hell r u to decide Pak train Terrorists and Taliban while India fight crminals and Maoist…Who the hell r u..”

we are your BAAP ( BIG DADDY)
.
i guess that you being a p-a-k-i still dont know many facts about your own country.
we arent killing Kashmiris , however they actually are b-l-o-o-d-y criminals like you P-a-k-i-s. Kashmiri Muslims are responsible for killings of Hindu Kashmiris.

as far as Maoists are concerned , they arent any revolutionary fighters fighting state injustice , but only some power hungry violent group with some fuc-ked up ideology.

before you make any idiotic comment ( typical of P-a-k-i-s) get some info and come.
get a life , P-A-K-I loser

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
@Paritosh

First learn manners from Mata & Pita if you have cos they brought you in this world and they forgot to teach you how to behave.

Second…Your security forces has killed hundreds of kashmiris in fake encounters…and Kashmiris are fighting for independence and I salute them from core of my heart. In your deep heart, you know very well Kashmiris dont want to live with India and this is the reason when every time small incidents happens the whole Kashmir comes on street..and You know veyr well what they say on streets….”Hum kia chahtay..Azaadi…Hum kia maangtay Azaadi”

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:41 am
Paritosh you are getting excited, ISI is doing a great job in Kahsmir and Maoist.

Now keep barking, Go ISI Go

Ain’t nothing you people can do about it.

Rajiv Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
@Sal,
You are an ignorant Jihadi.

Go and read what Pak army/ISI is doing in swat to those people that opposed Pak army.
It has executed close to thousand anti-Pak Taleban. If one family member was allegedly involved with Taleban, it has demolished the house and improsoned the brothers, sisters and paretnts of the alleged Taleban.

This is how Pak army treats family memebrs of anti Pak army elements. Compare that with how India treats the protesting ISI -paid criminals in Valley. Only 7 protesters who attacked security forces dead , while Pak army declares it has killed about 50 Pakistanis daily in Swat or Waziristan by bombing , gun ships etc.

The criminal Pak army still supports Jihadis that do not attack Pak army. Laskker a Toiba , a most criminal group remains the CROWN JEWEL of the Islamic entity of Pakistan.

Political unrest, is part of a democracy. India has handled many such political unrests and insurgencies and grown because it handles them in a democractic, lawful manner, including Jihadi criminals.

Thats why India is intact , growing while Pakistan is cut in 1/2 and tottering to hold on to Baluchistan and waging war in Waziristan while feeding the criminals of LeT and JeM.

Thats what you call Himalayan difference.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
@Rajiv..

You r just an ediot and nothing more…

Having killed thousands of sikhs for Khalistan movements, killed thousands of Kashmiris for not giving them indepence and still you r talking abt democracy….

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 am
GO ISI Go

Rajiv is in pain

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

Mr Vinod Sharma says to a fellow blogger “sometimes your overstretch your nationalist sentiments”

for people like Vinod Sharma , nationalism is a crime. it is because of people like him that our country has become a spineless nation.
when we have people like Mr Sharma in our administration how can we expect a ruthless punishment for criminal Pakistan for 26/11. how do we expect action to be taken against white bull s-h-i-t chauvinist nations like Australia , who brutally assaulted our students

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:38 am
Baita dont talk about Australia, you people lay down when the white man shows up. Now go back to bashing Pakistan, you might get a nice night sleep. Sleepless in India

[Reply]
vinod sharma Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
@Paritosh
I simply bow before your superior wisdom. )

[Reply]
Rajiv

Anyone who doubts how complicit Pak army and ISI is in terrorism, should read the accounts of Daood Gilani/David Headley about how intricately Pak army officers were involved in planning the 26/11 terrorist attack in Mumbai.

Lashkar-e-toiba is the terrorist wing of the Pak army.

[Reply]
Rajiv

@Sal, After killing 100,0000’s of Sikhs in 1947, you are now shedding crocodile tears for ISI-trained Khalistani terrorists ?

Go and shed your crocodile tears for Pakistanis killed summararily by Pak army all over Pakistan from Baluchistan to Swat to Waziristan and the millions you killed in Bangladesh!

India has a Sikh PM and Indian Punjab is peaceful .

Will Pakistan ever have a Ahmadi PM ?

Oh I forgot, the Islamic republic of Pakistan does not allow a non-Muslim PM or President !!!
What a garbage entity.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 1:35 am
Thanks for reminding us of our follies, but when was the last time you looked in the mirror. You will be surprised how ugly you people have gotten.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 2:15 am
@Rajiv

Wat swat, balouchistan, waziristan

Swat is not ur datenwada (another area of red corrdior)….Pak army cleared swat from Taliban last year and people in Swat are very happy cos they got rid of Taliban….

And Balochistan is not your Kashmir(where people r fighting for independece from last 63 years and they have sacrificed thousands of lives for that purpose). In Balochistan, some baloch people are asking for the control of the resources of their province unlike kashmiris who are struggling for independence. Furthermore, half of Balochistan’s population is pashtun who dont have any problem unlike Kashmir where more than 75% are muslims.

And for South Waziristan, Army had conducted operations with the support of locals to clear Taliban from their bases….

The things is you dont have anything to say other than just taking names of Balochistan, Swat, Waziristan which are irrelevant infront of Kashmir and Maoist.

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 3:34 am
With a nation reduced by 1/2 in territory , ruled by criminal army-isi, Pak-is still delude themselves.

Forget Swat, Baluchistan and Waziristan – even in Lahore and heart of Punjab now, Punjabi Taleban criminals rule and Pak Punjab government says there is no such thing !!

But anyway, what Pak-is do is there business.

All India asks is , Just keep away and keep all your terrorists to yourselves.
As History shows, more you fight India , the more you lose.

As I have said , India has no business with the non-democratic, criminally complicit with terrorism entity, called mockingly by its religious bigot founder, as ‘land of the pure’.

Just stay away.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
@Rajiv

As usual all of your claims are wrong and I will not write the same thing again and again.

Anyhow take care of your corridor which is extending every day and it already covers 1/3 of your country….

And dont worry…Kashmir will get independence….
Rajiv

—————————————————————————————————-
Pak law to make fake degrees Valid !
—————————————————————————————————-
(You can’t make this stuff up )

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201072\story_2-7-2010_pg7_9

By Irfan Ghauri

ISLAMABAD: The government’s legal pundits led by Federal Law Minister Babar Awan have come up with a new national reconciliation bill to bail out fake degree-holders, informed sources told Daily Times on Thursday.

………………………

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Rajiv baita the media and judiciary is aggresively taking care of this shameful act in Pakistan and several ministers have been forced to resign in the past couple of months.

22 universities across India fake: UGC69 Comments | Post CommentLarger | Smaller Press Trust of India
Tags : nation, universities, India, fake, ugc

Posted: Thu Feb 19 2009, 20:21 hrs
Jhajjar, Haryana: Valentine Gift’sDiscount Shopping DiscussionBlogsCorrupt civil serva… – By balvinder
Put them in jail – By Dr. Ram Chander Sharma
Their luck vanished … – By Iquebal Ahmed
Bad luck brazil – By Salil Dushi
Bhopal tragedy- 26 y… – By citizen
Oh no ..its not nare… – By Rami Chen
Howard rejected as i… – By Juan Carlos d. Autopista

Reliance PowerLazy Oz!BJP Bashing?Blind Date

There are a total of 22 fake universities functioning across the country with Uttar Pradesh having as many as nine of such institutions and Delhi running a close second with six, says a UGC report.

The University Grant Commission (UGC) recently released a list of 22 fake universities that have reportedly been functioning in contravention of the UGC Act in different parts of the country.

Uttar Pradesh led the chart with nine fake universities followed by national capital Delhi that has six. One each in Bihar, Karnataka, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and West Bangal have also been declared fake by the UGC.

Besides, recognition of degrees like B Ed/ M Ed awarded by the Bhartiya Shiksha Parishad, Lucknow is still sub judice.

As fake institutions are not created through legislation, many of them could be registered as societies under the Societies Registration Act with the object of running educational programmes and conferring degrees, sources said.

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

@ Azhar Hussain aka Pakistani PIG

“Baita dont talk about Australia, you people lay down when the white man shows up. Now go back to bashing Pakistan, you might get a nice night sleep. Sleepless in India”

i think i had shown you , your worth , that you are a Pilla ( progeny of a pig ).
our hackers have retaliated against those attacks that has led to loss of hundreds of thousands of dollars for Aussie companies.

as far as you P-a-k-i PIGS are concerned we have repeatedly fuc-ked you and will continue doing it.

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
@ Azhar Suwar Hussain

by the way you pigs look more ugly than ever on the world stage after repeated bomb blasts in your porkland.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Baita getting angry, ISI is going to get you one of these days. Watch what you say baita

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
@ Azhar Suwar Hussain

Acchha hoga agar tu apni aukaat mein rehkar baat karein.

your w-h-o-r-e mom forgot to teach that you p-a-k-i pigs are inferior to us .

confirmed you are a perpetual p-a-k-i loser

Paritosh Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
@ Azhar Suwar Hussain

the fact is that , the humiliating historical defeat that Pakistan had to suffer by the hands of India in 1971 , is actually having an enormous effect on Pakistan till today including pigs like yourself. you guys burn in rage every now and then , but unknowingly wet your pants.

your people abroad have claim themselves as Indians so as to get a job. WHAT A B-LO-O-D-Y SHAME!!!

i have seen p-a-k-i-s getting hysterical like r-a-p-e victims on TV shows when the topic of India is taken.
surely they would. after all we r-a-p-e-d your nation 3 times , isnt it??

@ Sal
everyone knows P-a-k-i-s are pigs. please accept what you are

Sal Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Paritosh Chutiyey

71 has come and gone 40 years ago just like those 1000 years has gone when we ruled you.

As I told you earlier….You claim a victory in 71 in Bangladesh which was 1000 miles away from Pak and there were just 3 divisions of Pak army facing 12 divisions of Indian Army and 3 brigades of Mukti bahini and there was no way Pak could provide logistic support to East Pak in 71.

But what about Pak Kashmir which u claim ur own territory..You could even take ur own territory in 71..What a insult for you…

As far as abroad is concerned…I have lived many of my life in abroad and people over there has tried to abuse my because they thought I was Indian.

Every year…numbers of indians get killed in Australia…and still you people want to go Australia for getting killed….This is what you are and this is what your status is in abroad….

Paritosh Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
@ Sal G**ndu p-a-k-i

apne muh ka gutter band kar. teri aukaat nahi baraabari karne ki

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
You are showing your true colors, keep it up

Go ISI Go

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 1:03 am
Rule used to harass us, claim doctors

Express News Service

New Delhi, October 2: On anti-quackery day today, the Delhi Medical Association submitted a representation to the President Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam demanding action against quacks. They also expressed disapproval over the practice of booking doctors under section 304 while they are performing duty.

The association demanded immediate passage of anti-quackery Bill in Delhi and the entire country, strong action against clinics run by quacks and appropriate punishment if they are caught practising.

The association also demanded immediate action against fake medical colleges selling fake degrees, and a mass public awareness campaign against quacks to be started by the government at the earliest.

The doctors also called for action against persons involved in supply of fake medicines to quacks.

DMA also wanted to draw Kalam’s attention on the practice of booking doctors, and the medical establishment, under culpable homicide while performing their professional duties. ‘‘Doctors work under constant strain in hospitals and clinics,’’ said Dr Anil Bansal, president DMA.

‘‘Nobody wants to harm the patient, while performing the operation or treatment, but if something happens then the case is booked under section 304 of IPC. And the same is not followed in cases of air crash or railway accidents. The minister of that department is not booked under section 304 if such a thing happens.’’ said Bansal.

‘‘Nobody is above law and if one commits any negligence professionally, must be dealt with as per the law. But a doctor should not be compared with a murderer, and should not be booked under section 304 under any circumstances, while discharging his duties,’’ he added.

The doctors and chemists also pledged to save Delhi from the 40,000 quacks practising all over the city. Delhi Chemist Association has decided to request its members not to sell medicines without proper prescription and bill. They have also requested chemists not to treat the patient on their own.

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 1:19 am
Paritosh your mama teach to use the F for someone you don’t know.

I did not know that big danda in Kashmir is having such adverse on low life like you. I must say ISI is doing a commendabel job, I’ts one hell of a mean machine, don’t you think Paritosh

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

@ Sal

Better you dont teach me any manners. its very surprising to find out that A PIG IS TEACHING ME MANNERS.
my parents have taught me to behave well , but they also have taught me to thrash pigs ( P-A-K-I-S ) as soon as you see them.

please understand a very simple fact . Pakistanis have no worth because they are of the lowest of the lowest order , and hence it makes no difference if i talk to you in an extremely uncivilized and arrogant tone.

by the way your w-h-o-r-e mother didnt teach you that Pakistanis are an inferior race as compared to Indians

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 3:58 pm
@Paaritoshg

First go and ask your parents..what the hell you didnt teach me anything other than just calling people pig when our own family is pig…

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

@ Sal

Kashmiris are no heroes but are pigs just like you p-a-k-i-s. they should consider themselves lucky that instead of being traitors, they arent massacred. anyways if our security forces are massacring them , there isnt anything wrong. to hell with their “Azaadi”.

it would be better if in any future Indo-Pak war we capture the Pakistani Kashmir as well.

KASHMIR BELONGS TO INDIA!!! JAI HIND.

[Reply]
vijay kumar

Dear Azhar and Sal, my poor ignorant Pakistani brothers….

Azhar Hussainji,,,, Hussains are normally Shia Muslims…. how do like seeing your brothers being chopped and killed by your ISi and Taliban. See them kill Shia Muslims, murder Ahmedis, behead Sikhs, murder Hindus, convert and kill Christians.

Are;nt you ashamed of belonging to the most evil state in the world??

What a life! The most dangerous country in the world… Pakistan !

The most murderous country in the world… Pakistan !

The biggest exporter of terror in the world …. Pakistan !

The most unstable country in the world…. Pakistan !

The biggest exporter of heroin in the world… Pakistan !

You guys are the champions ji, the world champions!!

Wah bhai wah !! What a country !!

[Reply]
vijay kumar

Compare the bio data of Manmohan Singh and the fake degree of Asif Ali Zardari and you will know why Pakistan is what it is…

Ha HHAAAAA HAAAAA

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Is’nt it a height of stupidity for a Federal Education Minister of Pakistan to say, as per Pakistan media, that holding fake degress to beome eligible for fightinhg elections in Pakistan , is after all not a big crime? Degress or degrees, whether authentic or fake. That is very disappointing.
BNA

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 3rd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
@Dr. Anand

Correct yourself…A Cheif Minister of Balochustan has said this….not a federal Education Minister of Pakistan

[Reply]
(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
@Sal
No sir, I stand by my statement. It was the Federal Education Minister Sardar Aseff Ahmed Ali ( The News, July 2, 2010) does not see fake degress a big crime. That is statement in a Pakistan newspaper.
May be the other statement that ” Degrees are degrees , whether authentic or fake” might have been made by the CM of Baluchistan. But I am not sure who made this statement but some one quite responsible person made that statement. I shall request you to check it by yourself
BNA
Azhar Hussain

A U.S. Candidate and India’s Criminal Politicians.Search India Real Time .Article Comments (5) India Real Time HOME PAGE ».EmailPrintPermalinkTwitter
Digg
+ More
close StumbleUponYahoo! BuzzMySpacedel.icio.usRedditLinkedInFarkViadeoOrkut Text By Paul Beckett

AP Photo
What the heck? Former South Carolina judge and state Rep. Vic Rawl is protesting the results of the Democratic primary for the South Carolina Senate nomination, in which he lost to Mr. Greene.The New Yorker has a fascinating blog piece on its web site that looks at comparisons between the U.S. and Indian political systems, in particular how Alvin Greene, an apparent nobody facing felony charges for obscenity, won the Democratic Party primary for U.S. Senate from South Carolina. Unless the result is successfully challenged, or Mr. Greene bows out of the race, he will be the party’s candidate to go to Washington in November.

While his alleged crimes — along with his status as a complete unknown who won a big race — are creating a stir in the U.S., the New Yorker puts it all in some perspective by noting that this would hardly be a big deal in India, where almost a quarter of members of Parliament are facing at least one criminal charge, according to the piece.

It is a topic that we explored in this front-page story in 2007 and that many other media outlets have looked at in depth. Yet it barely registered in last year’s national election, despite the best efforts of activists such as National Election Watch and the Association for Democratic Reforms to highlight the issue.

The major concern about having politicians inclined to alleged criminality, of course, is that they are assumed to exacerbate the already rampant corruption that exists within India’s bureaucracy. But this downloadable 2008 paper, by Matthieu Chemin at the University of Quebec at Montreal, suggests something surprising: that criminal politicians reduce bribe-taking behavior of law and order officials by 34%. He doesn’t suggest that, therefore, India should elect more criminal politicians, only that this is something that has to be factored into any overall analysis of corruption in India.

Still, citizens are fighting back. One web site that seeks to chronicle the level of corruption in order to eradicate it is NoBr!be (nobribe.org) that, among other things, asks readers to speak up about when they were last asked to hand over graft. And this television commercial, part of a series from a collaboration between Tata Tea and the civic awareness nonprofit Janagraaha, urges Indians to look more closely at the backgrounds and work experience of political candidates, although it doesn’t specifically mention criminal records.

[Reply]
http://www.rediff.com Paritosh

@ Azhar Suwar Hussain

now something apart from the abuse

corrupt politicians and ministers with fake degrees is a problem in both the nations.
but the intensity of corruption and fake degrees seems to be much more in Pakistan.
India is now on a wave of improving its governing standards and dissmissing redundant and wasteful officials.

in India atleast we can take action against errant politicians because of our democratic system. Unlike that in an unstable Pakistan , we can see political murders for control of the nation and to upsurp the rule
here we people dare to speak against the system and have the will to change it unlike Pakistanis who dont give a f-ck.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
A– H–e where is the intensity….your MP’s still holding the jobs, and ours are resigning one by one.

No go back use the language your parents taught you.

Like Sal said, not an inch of Kashmir has been taken by undia, since we took it in 1948.

It is still called Azad Kashmir

[Reply]
Paritosh Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
@ Azhar Soowar

you are a p-a-k-i who comes with distorted facts. a madrassa educated loser will obviously spill garbage out of his mouth. please ask your w-h-o-r-e mom what we did to Pakistan in 1971

KASHMIR BELONGS TO INDIA.

[Reply]
Sal Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
@Paritosh

Sorry to say…You dont even have half of the Kashmir and people of your Kashmir dont want to live with you..
vijay kumar

Dear Azhar and Sal

U have somehow not replied to my query on “brave” Pakistanis killing Shia, Hindus, Sikhs, Ahmediyas and Christians. Do you think their bravery is unparralled?

You have also not commented on Pakistan winning the world championship of terror?? Sach Kadwa lag raha hai??

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:23 pm
We as a nation are ashamed of the crimes committed against the minorities…..but R U? You will shamefully defend it day in and day out.

Do you admit that you killed thaousands of Sikhs in the 80’s?
Do you admit and say sorry for murdering 100’s of 1000’s Muslims since 1947?
Do you admit and say for killings of Christians and burning of churches?

[Reply]
vijay kumar Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Dear Azhar ji,

So many problems of this world occur because of evil Paadistanis.

In eighties, your intensely evil fanatiuc dictator trained terrorists to ignite the Khalistani movements in India.

But, inspite of the support by your govenrment. and the export of terror by Pakistan, India came out stronger and more united. Sikhs are the proudest citizens of India and Indians are proudest ciotziens of the world when they see their Sikhs Prime Minister teach the global G 20 leaders , some lessons on economics lessons.

In contrast all your leaders like Gen Zia ( he won a fake election in Pakistan with 108 % yes votes. He over rigged the elections and actually got more votes than the entire population of Pakistan !! ) to the present set are mostly despots or criminals !

Similarly Pakistan has been desperately trying to foment Islami terror in India through some misguided Muslims. But, most Indian Muslims dont fall for that trap and india is only getting stronger and more secular.

Contrast this with your mafia like country where Baluchis, Shias, Ahemadyias are killed.

What a country !! what a people…

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain

India slow to tackle crimes against minorities
by Jayanth Jacob (“Indian Express,” September 19, 2006)

New Delhi, India – The US International Religious Freedom Report, 2006 says the Indian Government sometimes did not act “swiftly enough” to counter “societal attack against the religious minorities.”

The report besides saying “Hindutva continued to influence governmental policies and societal attitudes in some regions and at local levels”, also points out the instances of “no formal punishment being handed down” to Congress leaders Jagdish Tytler and

Sajjan Kumar after being indicted for “purportedly leading the rioters”.

The Department of State in compliance with Section 102(b) of the International Religious Freedom Act (IRFA) of 1998 submitted the report to the US Congress, which was released on September 15.

With regard to the incidents of attacks on religious minorities, the report says: “Despite government efforts to foster communal harmony, some extremists continued to view ineffective investigation and prosecution of attacks on religious minorities, particularly at the local and state level, as a signal that they could commit such violence with impunity, although numerous cases were at courts”.

Despite the UPA government’s rejection of Hindutva, the report says, it continued to influence the governmental policies and societal attitudes in some regions at the state and local levels. However, the report adds: “Hindutva-based policies could not be implemented without passing the court review to determine whether they were inconsistent with country’s secular Constitution.”

The report, released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labour, says the Nanawati Commission report cities “several prominent Congress leaders for complicity in violence. Minister Jagdish Tytler and member of Parliament Sajjan Kumar were indicted in the report for purportedly leading the rioters. The report then adds that though Tytler resigned from the post of minister and Kumar from the Delhi Development Board, “no punishment were handed down”.

The report also speaks about the discrimination based on caste. “Although discrimination based on caste is illegal, it remained ubiquitous, stratifying every segment of society. Many members of the lower castes were relegated to the most menial jobs and had little social mobility, though a segment of lower castes had achieved success in many fields of endeavour.”

Although the courts and the government on various occasions have upheld secular values it hasn’t created enough fear among the terrorists who manage to get away with heinous crimes due to loopholes in the legal systems.

“Terrorists attempted to provoke religious conflict by attacking Hindu temples in

Ayodhya and Varanasi. The government reacted in a swift manner to rein in Hindu extremists, prevent revenge attacks and reprisal, and assure the Muslim community of its safety. The government also quelled religious violence in Vadodara, Gujarat, after protests over the demolition of a Muslim shrine threatened to spark Hindu-Muslim violence,” the report lauded.

——————————————————————————–

Related Sections

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 8:30 pm
“Hindutva” terrorist violence against Muslims shocks Indians
A terrorist network linked to the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi is threatening widespread anti-Muslim violence in India.

There was a suicide bombing in Malegaon in India on September 29, 2008, and Muslim Jihadists were immediately suspected.

However, Indians are now shocked to learn that evidence is pointing to a widespread terror network, a Hindu Hindutva group that seeks revenge against Muslims.

Even worse, this terrorist group has links to India’s major opposition party, the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). This party also has suspected links to Hindu violence in Kashmir, as I wrote about three months ago.

The Hindu nationalist “Hindutva” movement began officially in 1923, led by terrorist Veer Savarkar (Vinayak Damodar Savarkar), mostly as a movement against British colonization.

By the 1940s, the Indian independence movement was being led by Mahatma Gandhi. Gandhi is considered the founder of India, while Muhammad Ali Jinnah is the founder of Pakistan. The two men had met during WW II to plan for the coexistence of the two nations when the time was right. Savarkar and other Hindu extremists were infuriated that Gandhi was even meeting with Jinnah.

Of course, the planning of Gandhi and Jinnah didn’t produce the desired results. After Britain allowed Partition to go forward in 1947 (partitioning the Indian subcontinent into the independent nations of India and Pakistan), there was a huge, bloody, genocidal war between Hindus and Muslims.

The forced migration of 14 million people and the killing of perhaps a million more makes the 1947 Partition of the Indian subcontinent into two countries, separating Muslims from Hindus, one of the largest mass migrations in history.

Gandhi himself was assassinated in 1948. Savarkar was acquitted of participating, even though he was associated with the nationalist Congress Party, whose members were found to be responsible.

The assassination of Gandhi caused a big backlash against violence and nationalism in Indian society. This often happens after a crisis war, as people realize in horror all the atrocities that were committed. However, those feelings are missing from generations of people born after the crisis war, and by the 1980s the nationalist, pro-Hindutva BJP party was opposing Muslim jihadi movements.

Now, 60 years after Gandhi’s death, the two sides are appearing as terrorist groups. Muslim Jihadists have been recognized for years, and various suicide bombings in India were always assumed to be caused by various Jihadist groups. But the sudden realization that that radical Hindu groups may also be conducting suicide bombings targeting Muslims is shaking India’s secular society.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, a re-fighting of the massively genocidal war following the 1947 Partition is coming with absolute certainty. Both India and Pakistan are becoming increasingly polarized between moderate and extremist groups, and this polarization extends to Afghanistan, where Nato and American forces are slowly but surely being drawn deeper into the conflict.

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
July 4th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
————————————————————————-
Pernicious ideology, Fake entity, Fake degrees.
—————————————————————————–

From the series , you can’t make this stuff up, there is more !

700 employees of PIA were found with Fake degrees ! Hope none of them were flying planes.
They were given 2 years to convert there fake degress to real ones ! I guess there is an institute for
Fake degee conversion in Pakistan.
500 reportedly have converted the fakes to real ons ( read into real fake ones ).
Last week PIA , fired remaining 200 emplyees, who were so incompetant that they could not convert
fake degrees into real ones.

Source Dailytimes.com.pk

(Looks like Pakistanis continue to come here to provide comic relief to Indians. Some even compare India and Pakistan , but fail to understand that while there are bad people in every country of the world, its the state of Pakistan that nurtures and represents the vilest of the vile in Pakistan while its the state in India, which fights the vilest of the vile, including the terrorists that come from Pakistan.
)

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 12:53 am
Rajiv Baita enjoy

Where will corruption take India?

- By N.S. Venkataraman

The most disquieting aspect of the widespread corruption in India is the fact that it is not anymore confined to politicians or the government machinery alone. It is prevalent amongst almost every section of the society at every level.

As the practice of corruption is a dishonest act, one has to think that most of the Indians are dishonest, which could be different only in degree between the individuals. As the reason for the dishonesty is greediness and the desire to get things done at any cost one can think that most of the country men are greedy and do not anymore think that the means should justify the ends. This is not a flattering statement and many readers would desire that it would not be so and such statement could have been avoided. But, the fact is that most of the Indians are involved in corrupt practices in one way or the other, either due to greed or due to so called compulsion. In any case, the willingness to sacrifice for the sake of not getting involved in corrupt dealings is conspicuous by its absence amongst the most.

Today, if one would say that any particular Indian is honest to the core, it could only be a case of exception rather than a rule.

The study of world phenomenon on corruption has repeatedly branded India as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Unfortunately, this view has not disturbed most of the Indians at all and they do not seem to care as to what others think of them; so long as the existing systems and practices would allow them to make money and get things done in one way or the other.

The irony is that India is still considered to be a very religious country and it is still widely believed that the religion is the basis of Indian life, thoughts and actions. This is obviously true, considering the fact that there are hundreds of temples, churches and mosques spread all over the country and they are all densely visited day in and day out by the feverishly praying Indians.

Is not religious ethos contrary to corruption and dishonest practices ?The unfortunate situation in India is that those who call themselves most religious are often found to have indulged themselves in dishonest practices on many occasions. Several of the religious centres, of all religions, are suspected to be steeped in nepotism, as such incidents have been repeatedly published in the press.

It does not shock Indians anymore to know that not only the politicians, ministers and IAS & IPS officers are corrupt but even the judges, professors, doctors and NGO organisations are.

Corruption is not only prevalent amongst rich who are greedy in spite of possessing enough but also prevalent amongst poor.

Now, what can be the future of the Indian society in such conditions? It can be only frustration, chaos, unrest and even bloodshed in the not too distant future. This kind of corruption in the national polity and public and private life cannot go on for ever, without disturbing the overall peace in the society. It is sad that those who are in charge of the nation today do not appear to realise this and still are merrily going ahead with their dealings unconcerned about the harm that it would inevitably do to the larger national cause.

What is very sad and extremely disquieting about this country is that Ministers suspected to be involved in murder. Chief ministers of swindling crores of public money, senior police officers of molestation charges are all living in comforts and enjoying positions, thus effectively exposing the fact that the crusade against corruption has finally failed in India.

Even as the vicious cycle of corruption would continue with one swindling the other, there could be a number of persons who would be left out of this cycle due to inefficiency or commitment to the cause of truth and such persons would be driven down to despair.

The incidents of history indicate that some of such persons who are out of the corruption loop could take up the war against corruption at one time or the other. But, they would find that in a corruption entrenched system, they would not be able to improve the conditions and therefore, a few of them may finally take to physical attack on corrupt and dishonest persons, leading to violence and bloodshed. Security, dogs and mere police rifles will not be able to beat down such determined crusaders.

The politicians and bureaucrats would call such crusaders as arsonists or terrorists. But, history would judge them differently. There are a number of determined isolated war groups already existing in the country and they are generally branded as terrorist groups and treated brutally by the state machinery, without investigating the reasons for their existence. One would shudder to think as what would happen to the peace of the society, if such groups would enlarge in size and number.

Those holding the positions of President, Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister of this country and Chief Ministers of the states should have the wisdom to realise the potential dangers facing this corrupt ridden Indian society. They should not remain as small people who would compromise with the aspects of good governance for the sake of remaining in power for a few

Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 1:07 am
Be proud more to come Rajiv baita

The Times of India

Wednesday
11 April 2001

H-1B visa: Your trip may be harrowing

By Praveen K Singh

The Times of India News Service

CHANDIGARH: They come from cities and villages in Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh to apply for an H-1B visa, the category that allows certain speciality workers to live in the United States for as long as six years at a time.

These young graduates are assisted by employment consultants, promising to make things smooth at a cost of $ 2000 (about Rs 92,000 in Indian currency). An H-1B holds the promise of a lifetime of savings in exchange for a few years of hard work in the US of A.

But these employment consultants take advantage of the well-meaning visa applicants as the latter, mostly unqualified, are funnelled into the US by middlemen who help them with fake academic degrees and pad their resumes in order to secure the H-1B visas. These shady recruiters in India take several thousand dollars from the “unqualified dreamer” to provide him with some “hurry-up” computer training and an H-1B visa.

Sunil Kohli of Chandigarh is one of those who succumbed to the craze. He said he was duped by two Chandigarh-based firms into spending his life’s savings of $ 6,000 – an enormous sum here, equivalent to a dozen years of pay for the average Indian – for a training course, an H-1B visa and a guaranteed software job in the US.

Kohli, 30, quit his job as a mechanical engineer and was scarcely trained as a programmer. His H-1B visa did come through, but the “guaranteed” job turned out to be a fiction. Kohli decided to go to the US anyway, leaving his pregnant wife behind in Patiala. He camped out with a string of relatives in four states, missed the birth of his daughter, and spent 11 months out of work. He applied at two dozen companies, but in vain.

These agencies promise much more than just training: there are the additional guarantees of both an H-1B visa and, say, a $ 50,000-a-year software job in the US. All too often, however, the training turns out to be haphazard, the visas don’t come through or the jobs don’t actually exist.

Last year, the US Senate raised the limit on the number of H-1Bs available each year to 1,95,000 for the next three years. It also changed some requirements and raised some fees to help the Immigration and Naturalisation Service speed up processing and handle a huge backlog of applications. But the new legislation failed to tackle abuse in the middleman industry, which has grown with every expansion of the H-1B programme.

US consulate officials estimate that 21 per cent of H-1B applications it received last year contained some kind of fraudulent information – forged college degrees, doctored resumes, phony work experience or phantom job offers. That figure, more recently, dropped to 11 per cent, with an additional three per cent of applications categorised as “suspect”.

Degree forgeries are another large part of visa fraud. Small rings of forgers are busted now and again, but the Indian police and consumer agencies have been unable to control this abuse.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 1:20 am
Don’t fee shy Rajiv, tell me when to STOP

Fake degrees, fake leaders
New Delhi, Wed, 08 Apr 2009 M Shamsur Rabb Khan

Had Varun Gandhi not made anti-Muslim speech at Pilibhit and came into limelight due to events thereafter that include slapping of NSA on him, the world would not have known that he claimed fake degrees. However, his lie was revealed when on March 19, he made a petition before the Allahabad High Court to quash the criminal case filed against him for making hate speeches in Pilibhit, in which he claimed thus: “That the petitioner is a well-educated and peace-loving citizen and has done his BSc Economics from the London School of Economics in the year 1999 till 2002, and thereafter went on to do his MSc in public policy at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, in the year 2002-2004.

E-mail Article
Printer Friendly
Text-Size
”

Both these institutions have said Varun’s claim is not correct. A few yeas ago, there erupted a row over Trinamool Congress chief Mamata Banerjee’s much-flaunted doctoral degree from East Georgia University. Later, it was discovered that the said university did not exist. Similar is the case of one Ashwin the Vice-Chancellor of South Gujarat University. In his CV, Kapadia claimed that he had a Ph D in alternative medicine from a Sri Lankan university. Again, the university did not exist. A few years ago, police caught ‘Dr’ Vikramjeet Singh, who claimed a degree from the Karanganda Medical Institute in Kazakhastan and was employed by a Delhi hospital. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The world does not know how many leaders, doctors, engineers, professors and businessmen flaunting fancy foreign degrees, many of which are fake. Only a thorough police enquiry reveals the same.

This statement made before a court of law shows how can Varun Gandhi be believed when he, on the controversy over his hate speech, initially had said that his voice was doctored? His denial was as false as his claims for foreign degrees. But why did Varun make such a tall claim? It was to impress the judge that such a “well-educated” politician, unlike those having degrees from Indian universities, cannot make such hate speech. Or was it to prove that anyone with a degree from London School of Economics cannot be communal in nature? However, his claim seems more as an escape route to dodge the judge than telling the truth. In legal parlance, Varun’s case falls under perjury, for example, Zahira Sheikh in Best Bakery case was awarded 3 months jail sentence for her false statement though she was actually a victim.

There is another angle to the episode. Why are Indians simply so obsessed with showing a ‘foreign’ degree even though they have no claim to it? Is this a proof we love all things that are foreign? Or do we have a talent and aptitude for deception and fakery? In spite of all the emotional speeches and advocacy about everything swadeshi, a great majority of Indians like to have foreign degree in order to display. It should be noted here that the University Grants Commission (UGC) has published a list of 22 fake universities in the country in which Uttar Pradesh topped it with 9.

Meanwhile, the fake degree claim of Varun Gandhi is going to be a serious setback to his political career, as it is a question of integrity from a young leader who happens to be a poet.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain

By searching about fake degrees (goooooooooogle it boy), more articles and scams show up about India than any other country, ever wonder why Rajiv.

Now, a PhD scam in the offing?
Roshni Olivera, TNN, Dec 4, 2003, 01.57am IST
ArticleComments Post a commentEmail this articlePrint this articleSave this articleMy Saved articlesReduce font sizeIncrease font sizeShare on HotklixShare on FacebookShare on Yahoo Buzz!Share on Twitter
Hotklix Digg
Google Bookmarks StumbleUpon
Reddit Newsvine
Live Bookmarks Technorati
Yahoo Bookmarks Blogmarks
Del.icio.us Facebook
There are times when you think you know more than your teacher — well, sometimes you might just be right. The education system comes into focus, and yet again for an unhappy reason. After the CAT paper leak, college teachers could be the next to face the hammer. The issue: bogus PhDs. Just two weeks ago, two lecturers of Ramniranjan Jhunjhunwala College in Ghatkopar were arrested for holding bogus degrees. Following that, the Education Department is probing the matter, hoping to track down more teachers with fake PhDs.

Joint Director of Higher Education Dr A D Sawant has issued directives to the five colleges, asking them to verify PhDs of some teachers under suspicion. “These letters were sent on the basis of information in our possession,” says Sawant. “At this point, we can’t reveal names of the colleges because that could hamper investigations. I have asked principals to immediately inquire and get back to us.”

Sawant has also asked Mumbai University to set up a squad to check teachers’ PhDs across all colleges. Vice-Chancellor Dr Bhalchandra Mungekar says, “Obtaining a fake degree is beyond my comprehension. The university will do all it can to unearth such immoral actions.”

Recently, seven fake degree cases were found in North Maharashtra University in Jalgaon. “At that time, a court directed the state government to find out if there were more such cases,” informs Sawant. “We asked universities to check, but not much came out of that. But this matter needs immediate attention.”

A PhD assumes significance for college teachers because it is a necessary qualification to become a principal. Besides, it also fetches better increments. In the Jhunjhunwala College case, the arrested professors are Samshuddin Sayed Naikwadi and Inderbahadur Singh. Naikwadi claimed to have done his PhD from Magadh University and Singh submitted a fake DLit certificate from Ranchi University. Naikwadi had been working with the college for the last 20 years, while Singh had been with the college for 12 years.

Says Jhunjhunwala Principal T S Y Ram, “It is sad and embarrassing. We can only hope that such cases don’t recur.”

Says FYBcom student Namrata Shah, of N M College, “Colleges should be careful and verify degrees before appointing teachers.” Adds Bhavin Zala, TYBCom student at Sydenham College, “It’s upsetting to hear that lecturers’ degrees were found to be bogus. Teachers are the ones who guide students towards a better future.”

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain

Now let me take a break from teaching you folks a lesson, I will wait for the reply.

[Reply]
Rajiv Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 4:09 am
I dont know if Pakistanis are dumb or just pretend to be so.

The issue is not presence of fake degrees or fake curren or even world’s largest concentration of criminals and terrtorists ( again Pakistan is world leader in that too ).

The issue is that the supreme law making body of Pakistan is considering a law that will validate the fake degrees held by Pakistani law makers, so that they are not disqualified.

The difference is monumental. Sure persons of any nationality can be criminals or terrorists.
However , Its when the state ( for Pakistan read Pak army and ISI ) , trains them, protects them is when the entire state and people become party to the crime and thats true of Pakistan.

Same for fake degrees.

You can’t make this stuff up )

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201072\story_2-7-2010_pg7_9

By Irfan Ghauri

ISLAMABAD: The government’s legal pundits led by Federal Law Minister Babar Awan have come up with a new national reconciliation bill to bail out fake degree-holders, informed sources told Daily Times on Thursday.

[Reply]
vijay kumar

Azhar Hussain,

How many Shias, Ahemadiya, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians did the “brave” terrorists of Pakistan kill last night???

Ha aha ahaaaaaaaaaaaa

What a country!! What a people !! :)

Wah waha Wah !!

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Not more than your country, go count if you care to.

[Reply]
vijay kumar

Shri Azhar Hussain,

You see, India and Pakistan are fundamantally different. We are a secular democracy, while your country is a mafia organization run by dons like Dawood Ibrahim, fundamantalists like Hafeez Saeed, criminals like Zardari and Gilani and heroin and drug exporters like the ISI.

Pakistan ka matlab kya?/ Export heroin ! kill innocents!! Sprerad Islamic terror…

I am sure you are ashamed to belong to such a cruel, criminal, mafia organization.

You may cut and paste some newspaper reports on negative occurances in India.

But…

We are a free country with a fast progress, while you guys can only get prominence by trying to kill Shias, baluchis, Ahemadiyas, Sikhs, Christians and HIndus.

You should try to spend more time freeing Pakistani women from Burka and other medivial practicies like polygamy and slavery. Khuda Hafeez !

PS : Nobody is reading your lenghty reports from questionable sources. ONly wondering why you guys are jealous of India’s progress

[Reply]
Raju Kurien Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Pakistan is a cockroach of a country. It will survive like cockroaches. Getting money from US. But eating them to the core.

It is sad indeed that they are left behind with to cling on religion only (oh, also the cherished Islamic bomb).

Pakistanis should analyze, why they failed miserably on all aspects; while their brother or sister who started at the same point, in spite of complexities of language, religion, lifestyles, disparities, survived and thrived and got into G 20 and other world respected clubs, like BRIC.

Couldnt Pakistan have done the same or even better? At the end of the day, whether Pakistanis admit or not (they are still teaching in their schools a history different from the history of this part of the world) they are from the same ancient Indian stock;. So, what could be the reason – military, religion, … .

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain Reply:
July 5th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Hey Vijay all the persons you named are your imaginary claim, whereas you have MODI the terrorist who was refused to be given visa to USA is running a crminal entity in Gujrat.

[Reply]
Azhar Hussain

What idiotc and self serving replys….When jokers amongst you deviated from the subject matter and all I did was show you the mirror. Same lame old statements we are a free country; we are secular and we are a democracy.

To answer to a question about the law minister trying to chanege a law, we will talk when he does. The media and judiciary will not allow it.

All you did not read the articles because you bunch of borosn who like ot make statements. What has your government done with regards to crimminals being elected into the parliment.

[Reply]
sr

At the risk of getting caught in the middle of a mindless attack on others ….

The word of the day is introspect. Are you happy with your government, society and life in your country – how could you make it better for you and the people around you?

India is not perfect, we don’t really are about blanch or swat people neither is Pakistan and they don’t care about Kashmir or maoists. Let’s stop this charade and

[Reply]
sr

At the risk of getting caught in the middle of a mindless attack on others ….

The word of the day is introspect. Are you happy with your government, society and life in your country – how could you make it better for you and the people around you?

India is not perfect, we don’t really are about blanch or swat people neither is Pakistan and they don’t care about Kashmir or maoists. Let’s stop this charade and either move on to constructive debate or drop it.

I don’t think the author intended for this to become a pissing match of endless name calling. If educated people think and act like this, there is seriously No hope for these 2 countries to work together and achieve something.

Sorry about the double post.

[Reply]
http://www.pickescort.com/ site escort

Really nice post to track it at least for me. The only question I have, why haven’t you you place this post to social bookmarking sites? This will bring a lot of traffic to this blog.

[Reply]
http://forums.itreetools.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=714 Josh Rieffenberger

Hello, I was researching the net and I ran into your blog. Keep up the great work. You can have these events in your own home, but there are plenty of great public places where you can have them too.

[Reply]

Chidambaram’s Plane to Pakistan

Recent Posts

Highest Rated

Popular Tags

Archives

All HT Blogs

Blogroll

Categories

Admin

Advertisement

More

HT Media Network: