A Gupta whom they call Rizvi



Rarely do civil servants stick their necks out to make powerful politicians accountable to law. That’s usually the stuff of which Bollywood scripts are made.

Little surprise then that a young woman IPS officer, Anju Gupta made  disproportionately huge headlines for her deposition on events that led to the demolition of the Babri Mosque on December 6, 1992 in Ayodhya. Her USP? She was by the side of L K Advani that fateful day as his personal security officer.

Anju Gupta Rizvi

Anju Gupta

L K Advani

L K Advani

Gupta’s account of the BJP leader’s conduct — while kar sewaks razed down the mosque with hammers, crowbars and shovels— is quite damning and has driven Hindutva zealots into a counter-offensive against her person. Anju retains her maiden name. But BJP propagandists have deviously begun referring to her as Anju Gupta Rizvi to bring in the fact of her marriage to a Muslim IAS officer on the staff of Home Minister P Chidambaram.

I’ve known BJP’s chief spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad for many years and consider him a dear friend despite our differing political perceptions. So it was quite disheartening when I heard Ravi append the Rizvi name to Anju’s Gupta to communalize her deposition. To me, his comment in a TV discussion was nothing but a repeat of the BJP’s desperate bid to discredit then CEC J M Lyngdoh while he studied the ground situation in Gujarat to convince himself of its demand for elections after the post-Godhra riots. A pro-BJP newspaper whose editor was later sent to Parliament ran a headline using the EC’s full name–James Micheal Lyngdoh – to show him as a cohort of Sonia Gandhi against whom a campaign was already afoot to present the people a choice between Ram Raj and Rome Raj.
I’ve no problem with political leaders and parties exposing their rivals or calling each other names. But they must leave civil servants alone.
They owe it to the country to ensure that bureaucrats do not act under political threats or pressure. Or else, their assurances on administrative reforms are unadulterated hogwash.
One can safely say in retrospect that Lyngdoh was an upright officer who gracefully receded into the background on completion of his tenure as CEC.
Unlike his predecessors T N Seshan and M S Gill, he didn’t run after political power after leaving the Nirvachan Sadan.
The ‘either-you-are-with-us-or-against-us’ approach shouldn’t be applied to civil servants whose tenure does end every five years. I’ve known bureaucrats who served opposing parties with equal distinction while they held political power. Albeit for its own political reasons, didn’t the BJP lead NDA consider P C Alexander— who served in Indira and Rajiv Gandhi’s PMOs— for the presidency? Even APJ Abdul Kalam, whom the BJP eventually made President, got equal respect as India’s missile man under Congress dispensations.
Civil servants can indeed be categorized as good and bad and as corrupt and honest. While rotten apples have to be dealt with, better ones have to be preserved as national assets. The likes of M N Buch, Aruna Roy and Harsh Mander to name a few, have kept people’s faith in what P S Appu (also an IAS) called the Indian Automatic Service.
Civil services have to be automated, in fact, against all aberrations —systemic or individual centric. Advani’s lawyers reserve the right to cross-examine Anju Gupta in the CBI court. But that shouldn’t prevent the former Deputy PM from making BJP’s spin-doctors mind the language they use for the doughty IPS officer outside the court precincts.
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  • http://- Rajeev

    This is secular fascist way of reasoning. Now I know why Anju Gupta Rizvi remembers everything so crystal clear about Advani.

    Congress = Taliban
    Sonia = Mullah Omar
    Vinod Mehta = Taliban’s spokesperson

    Shame on you Mr.Mehta…You are nothing but p-sec fascist.

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    Amit Reply:

    Anju Gupta is a true indian, people like you need to change the mantality… I know whappend to sadhvi rithambra sabne bajaya aur chor diya

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    SLTICKOO Reply:

    SHAME TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF INTER RELIGEON MARRIAGES, IF ALL THIS CONTINUES, TIME WILL COME WHEN WE WILL BE IN MINORITY & THESE PEOPLE WILL HAVE MAJORITY IN SO CALLED HINDU COUNTRY,

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  • ishwar

    1. “Her USP? She was by the side of L K Advani that fateful day as his personal security officer. – No, her USP is what the BJP spokesman described her as. She is married to a Muslim IAS officer on the staff of Home Minister P Chidambaram. Why would you like to hide the surname? Whether you beleive it or not, it does make a difference whether the statement comes from a “Gupta” or a “Rizvi”. By the way, why did she not depose all these years?

    2. “But they must leave civil servants alone” – tell this to your pay master. She has got a puppet as the President of this country. Her husband was convicted in a land grabbing case. She has a stooge in the name of Navin Chawla in the EC. She mis-used CBI to let Quattrochi off. I even doubt the credentials of the Hon’ble Cheif Justice of the SC when he allowed 4% reservation to Muslims.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Hey Bhagwan. Is baar rashtrapati par hamla? Wah ji wah. Tusey great ho but dimag sey late ho.

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    ishwar Reply:

    Truth is always bitter.

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    payal Reply:

    We do not want any religious place to be destroyed, and also against demolition of babri masjid, but I have a few questions. 1. How many temples have been destroyed until now in india to build other relgious organizatoins? How did a mosque come up in plce of Kashi Vishvanatha temple? the beutiful Hampi in karnataka was destroyed by mughals. But we are taught in our history books about the heroic mughals. 2. HOw many temples were taken away by other relgions in Kashmir? 3. Why was amarnath land issue turned out violent? on air many politicians declared they are going to turn kashmir violent if land is given. 4. Last but the least, how many muslims actually migrated to this land? now what is the popullation? why were so many people converted? mughals used to wage war against our rulers, win, and forcefully convert them. 5. India has had mulsim leaders in many hindu-dominated places, Kalam was our president. Everyone respects him. He was chosen by BJP. Why dont the media highlight this? Vajpayee gifted president kalam to this nation, he brought grace to that position. Is any hindu against Kalam? Can kashmir ever have a hindu CM? who is secular, who is communal. Earlier days, when india was ruled by mulsims, Jessia (a tax for hindu piligrims) was collected by mughals. But mughals are called secular by our historians. Now in a hindu-dominated, hindu-ruled country there is tax exemption for Haj piligrims. There is a reservation for mulsims. Muslim terrorists are becoming vote banks. THey wont be punished. Why is calling onself a hindu considered as communal in india? This attitude kills the secular feeling inside a moderate hindu and makes him more violent. We r really fed up of Advani-modi issue. Does the media and the self-proclaimed intellectuals and secularists have enough guts to question mehbooba or omar abdulah why they protested against allocating land to amarnath temple?

    yash Reply:

    @Muslims
    Even now there is a mosque stading on the temple land in Varanasi and Mathurs. Ayodhya along with these 2 places are most holiest places for the Hindus.

    Would Muslims tolerate a temple or a church in Mecca or Medina ? They dont even allow a copy of bible in these places. Why do Muslims expect things from others when they themselve deny these to others ?

    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    A question which sometimes nags me. Can Muslims be considered a Minority in the globalized world of today? Who are more in number Muslims or Hindus?

    ishwar Reply:

    Also Mr. Sharma,

    Did you read the news: Death sentence to 17 Indians in UAE fro killing ONE ****.
    And not long ago, you were supporting Mr. Tharoor when he wanted UAE to be an interlocutor between India and Pakistan.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Ishwar,
    It was about Saudi Arabia, not UAE. You are really a half wit.

  • Diva

    Vinodji,

    Please tell that your friends in the congress to leave apolitical people alone.see how they hounded Amitabji…

    What is your opinion on this? You need not answer if wish to.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Diva,
    I agree that the Congress should not have locked horns with Amitabh. But much of what he’s doing these days falls far short of iconic— like selling navratan oil and once telling the people that mulayam’s UP was apradh mukt. Now he has swung from mulayam to modi. God help him and fans like u.

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    anurag narayan Reply:

    so he sell navratna oil so he deserve it,oh my gosh vinod jee what happened to you,u are now sounding like manessh tiwari, if u read tavleen singh,she made the valid point that manessh tiwari endorsethe sikh masacare by congress. and she also written that sajaan kumar stil hold the congress post.
    what do you think?
    if u do a survey on amitabh bachan saga,majority of we the people of india will support him,but u don’t gave a damn about majority.
    in name of soundin like anti gujrat congress sounds more like anti gujrat,thats y people there keep voting modi there

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Anurag,
    You took out navratan oil but conveniently skipped UP being abradh mukt. That’s called selective amnesia.

    anurag narayan Reply:

    as usual u miss the sattire mr. sharma, but u are the oracle who can tell star news are full of rss wala,times now is rightist,and the only liberal in india alive is mr. sharma himself.
    people gave him applause or do a morch on india gate for padamshree for mr. sharma

    Indian Reply:

    believe even SRK, kasab’s Pak lover also sold Navratan oil. any comments for him.
    Aamir Khan comes in Tourism ads. Why is he coming on ads of a Govt. which for minority votes allowed slaughter of so many innocent Indians in bomb blasts since 2004, 26/11?
    People like VS don’t mind if the neighbour’s children get killed in bomb blasts. The day something happens to his family, maybe that will open his eyes or nose..whatever.

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    Diva Reply:

    Vinodji,

    Its not about whether Amitabh s right or not.Its his personal choice.Its about the right of Amitabji to do whatever he wants within the framework of the constitution.

    I dont see any difference between Shivsena and Congress.Shiv sena hounded SRK bcoz they dont agree with his view on Pakistani cricketers.Congress removes the posters of Abhishek bcoz they dont agree with the views of his father.
    How much low can Congress stoop?

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  • Rajiv

    Bizarre to the extreme.

    Calling Anju Gupta , who gets married to a person with last name Rizvi, as Anju Gupta Rizvi ( not even Anju Rizvi ) , is considered communal and the deliberate act of leaving out her last name after marriage ( Rizvi ) , secular !!!!!

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Rajiv
    The thrust of your argument —and that of the BJP— is that Anju’s testimony lacks credibility because she’s married to a muslim. By the same logic, aren’t you also qualified to comment on the issue under debate?

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    shiva Reply:

    sir,why aren’t you replying to what naveed khan had said?
    Are you supporting his argument that 26/11 attack is retaliation?
    You are so hell bent on lashing out at BJP,we have never seen you slamming digvijay singh’s brand of minority politics.

    You never open your mouth when MIM is creating ruckus in hyderabad.

    When kasmiri pandits were thrown away from their homeland where were you hiding?

    Have you ever condemned the treatment meted out to pandits ? Ohhh,,sorry you are so busy condemning saffron parties that you never never had time to think about pseudo secularist stance of the congress.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Frankly speaking Muslims have very biased view on Gujarat Riots so their testimony should be consigned to the dustbins. These nuts believe that 9/11 was committed by jews so can you take them seriously.

    You see muslims have problems with Hindus, Christians, Sikhs, Jews and almost everybody on earth. They even fight among themselves (barelwi vs deobandi, sunni vs shia). These people are slaves of primitive arabic culture and it is time to fight this menace but people like Vinod Mehta with their blinkered vision keep inventing stories on how innocent these idiots are.

    Islam may/may not be a religion of peace and I really don’t care but I can say with certainity that muslims are not people of peace.

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    Harish Reply:

    Are you trying to say that

    1) BJP and VHP had nothing to do with the demolition
    2) BJP or the gujrat govt had nothing to do with Riots
    3) That those who have problems with the hindu nation theory are traitors of the nation and bad hindus.

    If the answers for all the questions above are yes, then you guys will really fit in with the Taliban…its a match made in heaven.

    Also how come most of you prefer to take out your frusturations on the internet, is is the anyonymity or just an outlet for all the repressed rage…

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Harish,
    You are the people who are taliban because you are holding somebody guilty without proof.
    Let court decide on this.

    It has been proved time and again that muslims are master of conspiracy theories so their testimony is not proof but propaganda.

    Your kind of talibani mindset people have hatred for anything remotely hindu..Reform yourself and preach later.

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    Harish Reply:

    Right,
    So both of us agree that without proof we cannot say that

    1) Naveen Chawla is a congress stooge
    2) Sajjan Kumar and gang had nothing to do with the 84 riots
    3) That Sonia in any way did anything to influence bofors
    4) That chidambaram probably would have lost his lok sabha seat if not for Naveen chawla
    5) That the emergency for to keep india gandhi in Power

    So in effect you lost the ability to criticise anyone….and still so much Venom!.

    This kinda loony toon behaviour is okay even if its a little funny ( like in rediff, its hilarious!)

    Buddy,
    Anyone can take an extremist position, i am sure your compatriot in Pakistan is right now saying that they if was unfair for british to take the land from one person and give it back to the other and another idiot with similar value systems like yours will be agreeing to him…and no one will bother to tell you how stupid you sound!!!! because if you engage with a pig in a sty you get dirty and the pig enjoys it…

    Ill do the good deed for today!

    Rajeev Reply:

    How about if congress is suppressing the truth such as Navin Chawla is congress stooge and Rajiv Gandhi indeed made money in bofors?
    The congress party has history of suppressing truth starting from Nehru’s role in partition to 1962 defeat to emergency to bofors to price rise.
    The congress party is mother of all evils in India…You have proof of it all around you if you want to see it.

    Harish,
    You have done poorly trying to defend Congress. Try once more.

  • Naveed Khan

    She is a brave woman. I doubt if India has the morality or courage to bring Advani to a court of law so that he is confronted by the people he has tormented and tortured. His actions have has resulted in ever widening gulf between Muslims and Hindus. His actions cause massacre of Muslims in 1992 and then they retaliated with attack on the Parliament and 26/11. People have to understand the link. Demolition of Babri was not about structure, it was designed to humiliate Muslims and convey a message that your life, property, religion, respect is subservient to Hindu Majority. It was designed to build the trust deficit between Muslims and Hindus. It was designed to create an atmosphere of intolerance and perpetual fear for Muslims of India. Indian Muslims economic and social standing has declined since Advani inspired desecration and demolition of Babri.

    Now Muslims have been relegated to 4th class citizenship and if they demand their rights they are instantly branded as Terrorist, are arrested and the keys are thrown away.

    Advani has caused unpardonable damage to Muslims of India to their sense of security and he must be tried and must be punished. His offense is unpardonable.

    Ms. Gupta is a courageous woman who would hunted and haunted by Hindu extremist for the rest of her life.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Navid Khan spewing lot of communal garbage here.

    The people who were responsible for damage to the Babri structure should be prosecuted under vandalism changres. That was there crime and I would be happy to see Advani prosecuted for that.

    Thousands of temples were damaged in Pakistan in the immediate aftermath. Has criminal Republic of Pakistan even tried to prosecute anyone ?

    But Navid Khan has taken that incident and then gone on to justify attack on Parliament and Mumbai attack as retaliations.

    Its a totally criminal logic. If his logic were to be used , then all Hindus in India would hold all Muslims responsiblle for crimes and genocide perpetrated by Muslim invaders of India.
    People like Navid Khan , whose ancestors were probably victimes of the same Islamic thugs who invaed India, now takes pride in the action of the same thugs.

    From Criminal Muhammad Ghazni to criminal Muhammad Ghori to criminal Timur a lang and then Pak army in Bangladesh , committed unspekable crimes against millions of Hindus. Should iccocent Muslims be held tresponsible for that ?

    No. Not a single innocent Muslim should be killed in retaliation. But then, such logic is unheard of in the religion practiced by Naved.

    People like Navid Khan make up the criminal Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Rajeev,

    The Babri Masjid episode happened in India with an eye for acquiring power in New Delhi. Your attempt to connect events in Pakistan, erstwhile invaders etc is irrelevant and invites verbal mudslinging, nothing more. Please do not hijack the discussion. Just a request.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    You saved the day Nikhil. Good.

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Nikhil,
    Obviously you did not read what I wrote. I did not seek to connect those events but just showed Naved if his criminal concept of retaliation was applied, what would happen.

    Nikhil Reply:

    Naveed Khan,

    The Babri Masjid episode occured in India with an eye on vote banks to acquire power in New Delhi. It was just that and nothing more. It was NOT an attempt to convey to the Muslims that their life, property, religion, respect is subservient to the Hindu majority.

    Only the Muslim community in India enjoys special provisions under the ‘Personal law act’. There are many factors that decide the success or failure of any community. You wrongly pin your perceived failure of Muslims in India on Babri Masjid event.

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    karan Reply:

    Rajiv you are cent percent right – if revenge is the logic as espoused by this idiot called naved khan then well hindus should drive away every muslim from india and pakistan – naved these our hindu lands – buddhists should drive them away from afganistan – zorastrians should drive them away from IRAN – and syria,egypt and jordan christians should kick muslims out of their counties …………….yes yes yes …………..read history naved khan ……….infact even your title should be scrapped because the khan is derived from a non-muslim mongolian called chengez kahn ……….not a muslim i repeat for your benefit…………

    oh you object …………..sure then jews should even drive away muslims from the entire middle east and ……………well saudi arabia – you forgot the meccan pagans :(

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    shiva Reply:

    you are mistaken naveed ,,,

    she is anju razvi now,,,,,,

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  • Praveen Saxena

    Significantly , Mr Ravi Shankar Prasad or the other media reports never mentioned that the husband of Ms Anju Gupta ( apart from being a certain Mr Rizvi ), is currently attached to Mr P Chidamabaram and this important information has been provided by Mr Vinod Sharma.

    Also double standard can be seen when leftist or Congress oriented historians appear in media , they are addressed as ” noted intellectuals” and those opposed are addressed as ” BJP sympathisers.

    Also a detailed a careful reading of Ms Anju Gupta’s testimony as were reported in media do not reveal any new fact and do not make out any case against Mr Advani . Yes they did make media headlines.

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  • shiva

    wanna prove yourself secular?????

    do these things

    1) Abuse BJP,RSS.
    2)Insult ancient hindu scriptures like ramayan,mahabharata.
    3)Give bharataratna to M.F.Hussain
    4)Attend kashmiri terrorist’s funeral and console their families
    5)Ban bajrandal,VHP,and promote SIMI,IM ,
    6)Target Narendra Modi and get a rajya sabha seat
    7)Suspect sangh parivar whenever there is a blast and express solidarity to accused
    8)Encourage conversions at TIRUPATHI

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @ Shiva
    Do nothing of the kind Shiva. Just abuse Muslims, eulogise Modi, present BJP as God’s own party and condemn securalists. I can see how silly is this comment from my side. But it’s silly meeting silly.

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    SHIVA Reply:

    My comments are not as silly as yours.
    First of all i have to appreciate you for airing the comments even though they are against you.
    Is secularism anti hinduism according to you?
    Will you condemn MIM goons for attacking st.anns school at secunderabad in their protest against Danish cartoonist?
    Are these people secular?
    is congress a secular party?
    Why dont you ever condemn congress for its minority vote bank politics?
    Is asaduddin owaisi a secular person?
    Come to hyderabad and see for yourself ,the MIM is making life tough for minority hindus in the old city
    By the way did you ever speak up for the kashmiri hindus who were thrown away from their home lands.
    Do you see secularism in not hanging afzal guru?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    See how congress loyalist fumes at the very mention of hypocrisy of congress type seculars.
    Do you have any shame Mr.Sharma?

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    srb Reply:

    Vinod Sharma

    A true Secularist should condemn both abusing muslims as well as Abuse BJP,RSS(and others written by Shiva). But you are the one who does everyone that Shiva mentioned and call yourself as a secular.

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    Ankit Reply:

    Shiva, you are almost right on the mark. But even if you do all this, you may not get the certificate of secularism unless you pray at the altar of the family that God has chosen to lead India for ever :)

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  • Nikhil

    Vinod,

    You expect political parties not to politically bracket bureaucrats for their convenience. I believe this rule also applies to key personalities and political parties. From the latest turn of events, we see the BJP and the Congress guilty of, as you wrote, ‘either-you-are-with-us-or-against-us’ approach. An unbiased observor can spot the similarities.

    If we look in the past, since the days of Indira Gandhi, our bureaucracy has been undermined in a corrosive way that would permanently damage the fabric of the services. Congress, not BJP, created a culture of ‘Yes Minister’ where pliable civil servants were expected to bend in front of their political masters. Those who did not were promptly shown the exit door. A turnaround in the relations between the politicans and bureaucrats is unlikely to happen, especially when the Congress party is in the ruling majority.

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  • Tanuj

    Mr Mehta,

    At one time I support your view on leaving civil servants alone, but i disagree with your view on Amitabh. He may be selling anything on earth, but he isnt as bad as Shah rukh who dances in wedding but is supported when Bal Thackrey calls him names. Amitabh has clearly said that he is endorsing only Gujarat. He has previously made recordings for Gwalior fort (requested by Madhavrao Scindia), Amber fort (Vasundhra Raje), Jalliawalan Bagh (during cong rule).
    The problem here is that all parties these days have started having thier wish lists. They want people to behave the way they think is right. There is no tolerance left. Congress attacks AB, BJP attacks M F Hussain, Shiv Sena attacks SRK. The time isnt far when we will be like China where everything would be censored. People like you should help in avoiding this and not ape the parties as you just did with AB.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Tanuj,
    First of all you are on the blog run by Vinod Sharma (not not Mehta). I broadly agree with you but I have my views on amitabh who was my own favourite hero some years ago— even after he fell out with the Gandhis. I cannot see my hero selling navratan oil or other such stuff. That’s my problem.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    However you have no problem with your hero killing 4000 sikhs?

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    The problem is he fell out with Gandhi’s, who now seek refuge in Shahrukh Khan.

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  • Rajiv

    Yesterday, the name under the picture of Anju , read ‘Anju Gupta Rizvi’.

    Today, It doesn’t. Its so frivolous. Its the facts of the case that should be matter of discussion, not such trivialities.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    I have got the Rizvi bit removed because we are debating the matter on this blog. If I myself call her Anju Gupta Rizvi then there is nothing left to discuss. The caption was put by my colleagues on the desk and I asked for a change this morning on noticing it.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    You should by now get the frivolous nature of this particular blog.
    Would you now accuse your collegues who referred to Anju Gupta Rizvi as such ‘communal’ or should I refer to people who drop the Rizvi part deliberately, as communal ???

    Both the conclusions would be wrong.

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  • karan

    Vinodji,

    i completely agree with you – however in not so distant past i clearly remember how CBI was being called the Congress Bureau of Investigation.

    We also know how state/central machinery is used to settle political scores and as a leverage to get people on board.Congress is the party which has perfected this art.If the closet is opened most the skeletons will belong to the congress.

    There are tonnes of such cases – cash for vote,shibu soren bribery,mulayam singh cbi investigation,Quattrochi etc

    Recently despite strong public support their in-action on Raj thackrey for politics reminded me of Bindrewala – surely not the same scale but the politics being played was exactly the same.

    Needless to say the anti-Sikh riots which had the blessings of congress.Lets not forget that many muslims find Narshima Rao equally if not more culpable in the babri-masjid demolition.

    With such a track record can the congress be believed to deliver justice against modi ??? believe me indians like myself …are waiting to see politicians in jail permanently …….sure put advani,modi …….but can this GOP also deliver on the cases i mentioned .above ???

    no i am 100% sure they will not because they are all buddies ..behind the scenes ……….. indians know it ………muslims,hindus,sikhs,christians – we all feel wronged ……but we know it ………these politicians are not going to do it …..let me know 1 politician ……only 1 politician …….a poweful one …….who has faced JUSTIcE …?? :) they all are buddies arent they ??

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Why is the attitude of media in SRK-Shiv Sena episode and Amitabh-Congress episode is so different?

    It is clear that media has sold its soul to Congress especially fascist Sonia.

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    Dear Vinod Ji,
    Apart from the mudslinging, here are some questions which you may deem to answer:

    1. If Star News reports something favourable to BJP then you dismiss it saying it has RSS sympathisers and thus not to be taken seriously. Why does the same logic not apply to Anju Gupta? Her husband is in the team of Chidambaram? Why does that not make her testimony suspect, especially since this is such a high profile political case?

    2. In case of SIT investigations on Modi, an entire campaign has been mounted that Gujarat cadre officers should not investigate Modi since they will be biased. An entire cadre of officers are biased for one man? This is acceptable logic to you? Then surely Anju Gupta is biased too since her husband works for direct opponent of Advani? Pray tell me, what is wrong in my logic?

    3. On Anju Gupta Rizvi – normally her surname should not be an issue in her testimony. But remember this entire issue of Ayodhya is based on faith. People have spilt blood for their respective faiths. This is not a normal criminal matter – infact this entire matter has arisen because of the faith of people. Then surely the new converted faith of a witness is germane to the issue? How can it not be?

    Anju Gupta Rizvi may yet be telling the truth. Equally Advani’s defense team is within rights to question the witness because of her faith. Because their is an equal chance that her testimony is coloured by her new faith. Whats so alarming in this logic?

    I have tried to reason with you with arguments and not name calling – lets see how you respond?

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Akhilesh,
    You have got Mr.Mehta this time..but that his talibani mindset will never accept logic.
    After all he is graduate from Congress (Islamic) school of journalism.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Read Mr.Mehta as Mr.Mehta or Sharma…

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Who are Mr.Mehta’s hero?
    1. Indira Gandhi – Who institutionalised corrupted, imposed emergency, created bhindrawale, got thousands of Indians killed for her political ambition.

    2. Rajiv Gandhi – Who killed 4000 sikhs and justified it, was a Bofors thief, IPKF misadventure and a top rate fool.

    3. Sonia mata – Who is ruling India without accountability, has buried Bofors, is trying to cover up 1984 riots, grooming next generation to rule India autocratically, getting her opponents fixed by CBI.

    4. Rahul Gandhi – makes stupid speech such as “breakup of pakistan was my family’s acheivement”, goes around stealing credits of congressmen “Raj babbar’s win”, involves in Nautanki in Dlait homes (with media)…

    Mr.Mehta, Atleast concede that you are dynasty loyalist. What is the shame in accepting truth?

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    Rajiv Reply:

    @Rajeev,
    @Rajeev,
    You have mistaken, Outlook resident congress spokesman , Vinod Mehta , with HT Times Vinod Sharma.

    @Vinod Ji,

    What happened to the professed purpose of this blog ’seperated at birth’ ?

    First of all, after drinking the poison off the well of religious bigotry
    that Jinnah-ZiaUlHaq had dug for the populace of Pakistan, Pakistanis in general reject the
    notion that Hindus and Muslims of the subcontinent share a common heritage or ancestry.

    Jinnah itself, rejected any such notion, in his so called famous speech in Lahore in 1941 or so.
    Pakistanis actually celebrate that day as Pakistan day. The present day Taleban and LeT are
    rightful heirs to the poison of Jinnah’s politics of religious identity.

    As per Pak establishment and popular media in Pakistan,
    ‘Seperated at Birth’ is a cunning Hindu canard spread by Hindu fanatics like Vinod Sharma of HT times to rob Pakistan off its identity.

    Project Arabization of Pakistan, that Zial-Ul-Haq had launched, has been embraced and is doing very well in Pakistan.

    We should not live in a make believe world but acknowledge reality.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Kya farak padta hai..both Mehta and Sharma are same..You can call a dog Sheru or Tommy it hardly matters.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    No it matters. I think you can make all your points without using personally abusive language.

    Rajeev Reply:

    You are right. Only P-seculars have right to make rude remarks.

  • Gurbachan Singh

    Mr. Sharma has deleted two of my previous posts which had nothing abusive in it. Lol, so much for freedom of speech. Anyway folks, what I pointed out was that mainstream Indian newspapers have referred to Mrs. Rizvi by her full name in the past, I cited a link going back to 2003.

    As I have done you the favour of reading your blog, do me this little favour and allow this post to go through.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Gurbachan
    I am reading your name for the first time on this blog. Everyone who visits it knows that I don’t delete even the worst of condemnations. Pl resend your comments.

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  • Adam

    Ms Gupta is an asset not only to her depat .but the nation,she made us proud ,she is courageous, bold & honest ,I salute her for her testimony,Hamara Bharat Mahan, Jai HO

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    Sudeep Reply:

    Vinod Uncle,

    I know that you would like to describe yourself as a diehard secularist.
    It must surely be painful for you to face the brickbats thrown at you by a majority of the participants in this blog.
    Let me admit that I too am on the side of the ‘Brickbat throwers’. However, that does not make you my enemy.
    Your views must have been born out of your life experiences, which I know nothing about.
    These views are your most personal possession and may never change for the rest of your life.

    You, alongwith the numerous ‘Secularists’ , fight the Hindutva agenda tooth and nail.
    I find it impossible to comprehend the force that drives you to do this.
    What is that force Vinod Uncle?
    Is it a hatred for the awakening of Hindu souls after centuries of persecution.
    Or is it your desire to be the Knight in shining armor for the ‘weak’ ( i.e. Muslims)?
    Or is it because you have many muslim friends that you dont’ want to lose?
    (because your hindu friends would never mind any diatribe against hinduism, but anything against Islam will be intolerable to muslims)
    Or is it the tug of intellectual fashions amongst the Delhi journalist brigade?
    What is it ???

    There will come a day in the future when there will be another war with Pakistan ( sad but true).
    Your ideological enemies (the hindu zealots like the RSS, VHP, Shiv Sena) will be at the forefront of this battle, willing to lay their lives for Bharatmata, incase the Army fails in any way. This is because their love for the Indian nation is immeasurable. They will fight because they don’t want their children to be under the thumb of barbaric Islamic rule again.

    But when you spew venom against these very people, just because they feel insecure in an India which is hell bent towards minority appeasement,
    DON’T YOU GET THE FAINTEST HINT THAT SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE IS HAPPENING?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Negative, nephew. That’s my response to your longish diatribe.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I have four questions for our SECULAR journalist Mr.Sharma.

    1. The percentage of hindus in northwest India (now pakistan) was 20-25%. Why is it now 1.6%?

    2. Why did your family migrate to India from Pakistan? Honest answer please?

    3. What is the gurantee that muslims when in majority will be peaceful and will not indlulge in murderous campaign as they did during partition in pakistan?

    4. What is the true reason behind your illogical bias towards muslims? Why do you think muslims are less communal that Hindus?

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  • Rajiv

    @Rajeev,
    I don’t know, if Mr Sharma will answer those questions.

    So, Let me jump in and answer a few.

    1. The percentage of hindus in northwest India (now pakistan) was 20-25%. Why is it now 1.6%?

    Answer.

    Gandhi-Nehru and Indian congress faught for a secular state. They believed both Hindus and
    Muslims can live in the same state and the state would have nothing to do with religion.

    Jinnah, did not beleive what they believed. So the Pak state identified with a particular religion.
    The state of Pakistan had a preferred religion and minorities felt unwelcome. The most horrendous riots took place in Pak Punjab.

    The situation has gone from bad to worse , as a state , with no high ideals, is morally bankrupt state. That is Pakistan. Since 1947, it has made laws that marginalize the few poor minorities that survived and haven’t converted yet.

    In contrast, % of Muslims that make up the population of the territory of India today, is actually more than the % of the Muslim population in the same territories , even prior to partition.

    The almost total expulsion of Hindus and Sikhs from West Pakistan, should count among the top 10 crimes of the 20th century. Thats one of the reasons why Pakistan is a criminal state.

    2. Migrate from Pakistan to India.
    For the reasons just spoken of in Question 1.

    3. What would Muslims , if a majority in India do ?

    Its a million $ question for which you can only make guesses.
    The problem with Islam is that it gives religious sanction to prosecution of non-Muslims by calling them derisive names like unbelievers and preaching things like they would go to hell etc.
    So any thug , who wants to misuse religion can easily find justification in Islam.

    A hindu , because of our tolerant religious philosophy, would have no problem in acknowledging that a Muslim or Christian etc can be equally loved by God and go to heaven. After all, Hindus recognuize that there is just one God and he can have as many names and images as you want to imagine, because in reality he is formless.
    Thats why converting others to Hinduism is not necessary.
    Islam, on the other hand encourages conversions.

    So, asking, what would happen to India if Muslims were in a majority, is like asking what would happen to democratic India, if communists were in power in Delhi ?

    So the answer is , India’s secular, democratic identity, which easily co-exists with Hindu approach to religion will be lost and will face a more hostile environment.
    Remember, while India considers Akbar as a good Mughal ruler, because of his relative tolerance, Pakistanis consider Aurangzeb as the greatest Mughal ruler. Aurangzeb, was perhaps the most intolerant, cruel and vilest of Mughal rulers.

    Any discussion on this issue, without acknowleding the stark facts and truths, is a exercise in dishonesty.

    4. Bias towards Muslims.

    I don’t think, Mr Sharma has a bias towards Muslims. Sure I find him a little evasive to speak about Pak venality and sustained criminality against India which makes mockery of India’s attempts at peaceful co-existence.

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    payal Reply:

    rajiv, u r wrong..sharma was on ndtv years agao and calling the godhra train fire an accident…..

    it is unfortunate that u dont see how anti-hindu and pro muslim the secular english media r see their coverage of bareili and hyderabad riots…..bareill was started by muslims and then maulana was released in response ……appeasement is what these seculars r doing for yrs ever since 1947….worse tehy hdie and hype as they want against hindus and balme riots on hindus like gujarat when the provocation was immense and no minority anywhere will do it..se how they cover somail priacy of indian ships and 17 indians to be hanged…….they cant see beyond tehir selfish gains…..comments below was posted on another site…….We do not want any religious place to be destroyed, and also against demolition of babri masjid, but I have a few questions. 1. How many temples have been destroyed until now in india to build other relgious organizatoins? How did a mosque come up in plce of Kashi Vishvanatha temple? the beutiful Hampi in karnataka was destroyed by mughals. But we are taught in our history books about the heroic mughals. 2. HOw many temples were taken away by other relgions in Kashmir? 3. Why was amarnath land issue turned out violent? on air many politicians declared they are going to turn kashmir violent if land is given. 4. Last but the least, how many muslims actually migrated to this land? now what is the popullation? why were so many people converted? mughals used to wage war against our rulers, win, and forcefully convert them. 5. India has had mulsim leaders in many hindu-dominated places, Kalam was our president. Everyone respects him. He was chosen by BJP. Why dont the media highlight this? Vajpayee gifted president kalam to this nation, he brought grace to that position. Is any hindu against Kalam? Can kashmir ever have a hindu CM? who is secular, who is communal. Earlier days, when india was ruled by mulsims, Jessia (a tax for hindu piligrims) was collected by mughals. But mughals are called secular by our historians. Now in a hindu-dominated, hindu-ruled country there is tax exemption for Haj piligrims. There is a reservation for mulsims. Muslim terrorists are becoming vote banks. THey wont be punished. Why is calling onself a hindu considered as communal in india? This attitude kills the secular feeling inside a moderate hindu and makes him more violent. We r really fed up of Advani-modi issue. Does the media and the self-proclaimed intellectuals and secularists have enough guts to question mehbooba or omar abdulah why they protested against allocating land to amarnath temple?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    @ Payal
    I have never called Godhra train mishap as either an accident or a man-made mishap. What you have said is gross misrepresentation.

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  • srb

    Dear Vinod ( even I am not using surname)
    Everyone know how biased you are towards congress. Hope great journalists like you should be neutral. I am really confused about your concern when Ravi Shankar just revealed Anju Gupta’s identity. You cannot say that there is no possibility of PC’s influence on this. Also as opposition they have the democratic right to raise their concern.
    Also I am very sorry to see your views about Amitav and “selling Navaratna oil” .
    As a journalist as well as such a mature person you should know the difference between doing a ad and selling a product. I saw many ad in HT , Does that mean you are also selling those? Even I saw Navaratna oil ad in your newspaper.

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  • ram

    Dear vinodji,

    You are absolutely right but tell me which important issue is not communalised by Congress/BJP? At same time what about massacres in Maliana (near Meerut) in 1989 during Yadav regime, 1984 Sikh riots Srikrishna commission report on 1993 riots, Bhagalpur blindings where justice has not and NEVER will be done! Congress has maximum number of riots during regime and even Shiv Sena BJP are allowed to go scot free as both Congress and BJP are equally guilt of fomenting riots for political gains. i would say outcry for reservations of Muslim under Ranganath Mishra commission is in same league-to partition and divide India and Indians

    Awaitng your views

    Warm Regards

    Ram

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Sharma saheb
    How conveniently you have filtered out the inconvenient posers from your readers on this blog.!! After all, in the end, you too proved true to what we had always reluctantly thought of you.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Rajeev Reply:

    He comes from congress school of journalism so why are you surprised.

    India will remain cursed because we have journalists like Vinod Sharma who instead of safegaurding demcocracy, work with anti-nation anti-people congress party.

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  • vijay kumar

    @Everyone

    The HT IT department has gone bonkers or gone wankers! :) :)

    They have revised the format of te bogs. Now there is no fun in it as the continuity of debate has been broken….

    Bureaucracy wine again!!

    Hey Sharmaji… R u still singing ” Dil ke armaan aansoan mein beh gaye….

    Pakistani… terrorist ke terrorist hi reh gaye….”

    Vinod uncle plese do something or I for one will stop coming to the HT Blog site… :( :(

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  • Rajiv

    What happened ? It looks like in the 3 idiots movie, someone misused a filter and removed lot of comments.

    On a serious note, expecting Pak army/ISI and its civilian govt which lives day to day on the mercy of the army, to punish LeT terrorists and leadership involved in 26/11 terrorist attack is like expecting Al-Qaida to punish Bin-Laden !

    Which part of this simple logic to people not understand. I would like to hear from people who diosagree wityh my analogy with reasons.

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    vijay Kumar Reply:

    Rajiv,

    We really have to change our mindset on how to treat Pakistan.

    If we sift the facts we will realise that Pakistan is now practically run by Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar, Hafeez Saeed and a thousand others in the agenda it follows.

    It survives in trying to cause damage to India and not on anything positive it does.

    Every time there is some attempt at peace with Pakistan, what follows is a series of terror attacks on India. And then the government of Pakistan spends time defending the terroistsw like Lakhvi.

    So in the end the rulers are just proxies of the terrorists. nothing more.

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  • Dr. Shivkumar

    On this same debate on Times Now, Mr. Ravi Shankar Prasad happened to tell the audience how Mr. Mani Shankar Iyer had made a mockery of the Constitution by making a backdoor entry into the Rajya Sabha for literary reasons!

    The Congress (and Mr. Vinod Sharma) sincerely believe that Mr. Mani Shankar Iyer is a litterateur!
    Both consider Mr. Iyer’s capacity to bawl in fine English- a qualification for the Rajya Sabha!

    Mr. Iyer has written only seven books in his entire life and hence he is a litterateur for Mr. Sharma!
    All of his books make very good toilet paper. Mr. Sharma should try it once!
    Jokes apart, genuine litterateurs must be flipping violently in their graves at Mr. Iyer’s nomination!
    But foror some people (including Mr. Vinod Sharma), asses and donkeys pass off as horses because they have never seen one!

    But my larger observation on the show was this-
    Mr. Sharma was quick to revert back by hurling a bowl full of irrelevant alphabet soup at Mr. Ravi Shankar Prasad even when Mr. Iyer himself was silent!
    Mr. Iyer was seemingly recoiling in embarassment but Mr. Sharma was more infuriated than him!
    Mr. Sharma forgot that he was invited by Arnab Goswami to discuss Anju Gupta’s case and not Mr. Mani Shankar Iyer’s academics!
    There was no occasion for Mr. Sharma to defend Mr. Shankar Iyer the way he did!

    The conclusion is this-

    Mr. Vinod Sharma is an undeclared loyalist of the Congress for what I believe- economic reasons!

    It is evident from his consistent conduct that his monthly salary has a substantial contribution from the Congress!

    Mr. Vinod Sharma is a pointer towards the modus operandi of Indian ‘Journalists’ who have sold off their hymens to the Congress for a few coins!

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Very well said, Dr ShivKumar. I have time and again commented on his writings/debates that he’s a sold-out Journalist on the payrolls of Congress. When you see him on one of those debates he unmasks his loyalty openly and becomes aggressive (verbally) if anyone points out anything about his paymasters. Such an unflinching loyalty is akin to the loyalty of a scabied street dog who wags his tail to all those who throw leftovers at him and bark at the outsiders passing through the streets. My one and only one request to Mr Sharma is Please come clean in some of your next writing by openly saying that you are “An openly bought out Journalist of Congress” just like those people who say that they are “openly gay”. Indian Public, as it is, will shower you with more respect then.

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  • Dr. Shivkumar

    And by the way, I simply forgot to mention this-

    In the same show, Mr. Iyer called Mr. Advani- a humbug, a hypocrite, a mass murderer and a monster.

    This Mr. Vinod Sharma maintained pin-drop silence with his right index finger on his lips!

    I request all readers to have a look at the debate for themselves.
    It has been uploaded on Times Now.
    It is titled- Big blow for Advani, Joshi (March 26)

    Here is the link- http://www.timesnow.tv/The-Newshour/videolist/msid-4310636,curpg-8.cms

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    Har Gobind Bhukkal Reply:

    Well Dr ShivKumar, Journalism is a highly competitive industry. To survive in this industry either you have to be best or properly networked. Mr Vinod Sharma falls in the second category. Once you taste the Pasta, Spaghetti and Pizza leftovers thrown-over by the Italian Madam the taste of hard-earned Makki ki Roti and Sarson ka Saag disappears. Mr Vinod Sharma is the head of all those Journalist who line up at the mansion of the De-Facto Italian Ruler of India. To maintain his seat at this citadel he has to time and again prove his loyalty through the best lick of his tongue. Any journalist who wants to enjoy leftovers is welcome to join the bandwagon of Mr Sharma. To gutter with unbiased Journalism….they don’t sell anymore.

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  • vijay Kumar

    @Vinodji,

    Dear Uncle,

    Could you answer any of the charges by Dr Shivkumar…

    Or do you feel that speaking the truth may deny you the free foreign junket, embedded journalists get?

    Sorry for being intrusive but I am genuinily curious :) :) :)

    C’mon we all know MR AIyer is a joker and a windbag. WHo can defend him?

    The idiot nearly demolished India’s commonwealth games effort by opposing them as a sports Minister.

    And as a pumpkin who had a exaggerated say in India’s foreign affairs he could not smell the Pakistani hand even though he was the Counsel General in Islamabad. All he could appreciate was the six bottles of booze he and Khushwant Singh got from the evil Gen Zia.

    One can picture two rotund jokers, dancing on the streets of Islamabad, muttering General Zia is a jolly good fellow and a true fellow Stephanian, without even as the evil general unleashed a full terror attack on India….

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  • Simaljit Sandhu

    Aseem, I don’t know what are you talking about when you say that “Indian’s who live in Brampton are unfamiliar with downtown.” That is quite an assumption, and more specifically stereotyping. I am aware and in contact with many Indian senior citizens that travel all over Canada with their clubs. Many Bramptonians work downtown. It is a shame that you say you don’t like to visit Brampton, because too many indians live here. Ethnic enclaves are all over Canada like Indian populations who primarily reside in Brampton, Surrey, Montreal. However, it is not just Indians. Many other cultural groups decide to live in similar areas (i.e., Woodbridge is home to a large Italian-Canadian population). Seems like you are not proud to be an Indian feel sorry for you. WE love our Brampton.

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    Guest Reply:

    I guess I’ll have to move to Brampton to prove my patriotic colours! Why not move back to India to show greater colours.

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