A mixed doubles game



Parliament is a forum for debate, not a boxing arena it threatened to become before the passage of the women’s reservation bill in the Rajya Sabha. But who’s to be blamed for the plummeting standards, the government or the Opposition? The Members or Presiding Officers?

Well, the responsibility is collective. But it devolves more on the Treasury whose task it is to get matters debated and legislations passed. At times, its intent is pious and at times it isn’t. The same is true of the Opposition that walks out for the sake of impact in the media at the cost of an informed discussion.

In the 1990s that used to be the case in Pakistan’s national assembly that once debated in the PM’s absence the cooperative banks scam in which big businessmen and politicos swindled millions out of public savings. The Sharif brothers Nawaz and Shahbaz merrily traveled abroad while the legislature discussed the issue.

It was a mockery of democracy at the plinth of which is the government’s accountability to parliament. On witnessing that, I’d proudly tell the Pakistanis of Indian parliamentary ethos. That they too had a sneaking admiration for it manifested in references to established practices in our elected Houses by such star debaters as Benazir Bhutto, Aitzaz Ahsan and former Attorney General Yahya Bakhtiar (better known in India as actor Zeba Bakhtiar’s father) who then sat in the Pak Senate.

Particularly etched in my memory is Ahsan’s speech in the lower House after the demolition of the Babri Mosque, in which he lambasted the hardliners for retaliatory destruction of Hindu places of worship without caring about what happened to mosques on a daily basis in neighbouring Afghanistan. The Indian parallel I can think of is Arif Mohammad Khan’s speech on the Shah Bano case before resigning as a minister from the Rajiv Gandhi government.

But these silver linings were few and far between. The Pakistani MNAs of the time included the likes of Sheikh Rashid, then a close associate of Nawaz Sharif, who’s obscene heckling once drove Benazir’s mother Nusrat to tears. His most shameful conduct however was reserved for the daughter of the east when she stood defending her husband against the charge of breeding horses in the prime minister’s bungalow. The MNA from Rawalpindi would laugh suggestively each time the PPP leader uttered the word ghoda (horse).

Unfortunately, our own MPs have at times come close to such lowly conduct in recent years. An SP leader who mumbles when he speaks, once used such derogatory language against a woman leader of the BJP (who isn’t in the party any more) that she went on a dharna in the House without actually being able to state openly the cause of her outrage.

There are innumerable other examples of MPs – including George Fernandes who used his erudition to defend rape in a debate on the post-Godhra Gujarat riots— crossing limits of decent parliamentary conduct. At their Nadir, the politicos know no bounds. Male chauvinism cuts across party lines.

One only hopes things will change when (and if) one-third of the seats in parliament and state legislatures get occupied by women. Meira Kumar’s elevation as first woman Speaker has brought order in no small measure in the Lok Sabha. But Pakistan did that ahead of India by electing Dr Fehmida Mirza and reserving seats for women in the national assembly. Their Parliament is a relatively better place today when compared with the early 1990s.

On the ground, however, women’s empowerment is tangible in India but rare to find in Pakistan where tribal customs keep the fair sex shackled. Or else Mukhtar Mai who fought for her rights on being gang-raped wouldn’t have become such a celebrity. She succeeded because she had a politician-jurist of Aitzaz Ahsan’s caliber on her side.

Moral of the story: Women’s empowerment is a mixed doubles game. Get men to push their bandwagon.

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  • ishwar

    “One only hopes things will change when (and if) one-third of the seats in parliament and state legislatures get occupied by women” – why are you always out to defend what Sonia Gandhi likes?

    If you have been reading through the comments in different forums on the net or watching/participating in TV discussions, you should by now know that this is one of the most flawed bill passed by the Rajya Sabha in the name of women empowerment. Thankfully, it is yet to be passed by the Lok Sabha.

    The rotation policy of the parliamentary seats is a completely useless idea. An MP elected from my constituency can choose not to work for five years as he knows that his seat is going to be reserved for a woman for the next term. Also, the bill infringes on my democratic right as a citizen to vote for a male MP to represent my constituency.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Ishwar,
    You are under-educated on the Bill. Parliament hasn’t yet passed the enabling law (with rotation concept) as it will only come after the basic constitutional amendment for 33 pc quota is endorsed by the Lok Sabha. There is scope therefore for finetuning enforcement.
    For your information, the amendment is the joint work of the Congress, BJP and the Left. So it is you who’s giving Sonia— perhaps rightly— the full credit. Thank You.

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    ishwar Reply:

    Dear Mr. Sharma,

    Thanks for the reply. Unlike you, I don’t support everything that BJP does. Can you also at times question the government in power run by the dynasty? I have never noticed you criticise any of their decisions.

    Have they done no wrong in at least last 6 years? Or, your job profile as a a p—d journalist doesn’t allow you to do that?

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Ishwar appase bachaye. What gives you the right to convert my views? What qualify’s u to question my integrity, Sir.
    Better stop being personal and argue the case on merit. I have questioned your understanding of the bill. U defend yourself on that score rather than calling others names. The Bill was passed by a thumping majority in the upper house. How can u question that in a democracy?

    Akhilesh Reply:

    Dear Vinod Ji,
    I was not contesting the fact that the Women’s Reservation Bill has been passed by support across party lines.

    What I was contesting was the fact that just because a majority in parliament has passed a certain bill does not necessarily make that bill sound and reasonable. Also it does not matter what was the colour of the support for the bill or who made up the majority.

    Indeed, this is not just hypothetical postulation – Indian constitutional history bears out the fact that majority in parliament has been used variously to pass pernicious bills.

    Indira Gandhi used her majority to destroy the fundamentals of the constitution during 74-77. Rajiv Gandhi used his majority to overturn Shah Bano verdict of SC – a case which lost to India, Arif Mohammed Khan – possibly the promising Mulsim leader who emerged post India. Tragically Congress and its policies made him irrelevant.

    Similarly the manufactured consent for Women’s bill is not something to be gloated about. The desirabilty of empowering women should not lead us into adopting far reaching and denagerous remedies.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I want to make a movie called “Strange Case of Arif Mohammad Khan”.

    This will sexpose secularism practiced by congress and its lackeys.

    Akhilesh Reply:

    Rajeev,
    Please go ahead. You will have my full support. :)

    As I have said above, Arif Mohammed Khan is possibly the most promising Mulsim leader to have emerged in post Independence India. He was and is a fierce nationalist, very well educated and versed in Islamic studies and very articulate too.

    But this is the history of Congress and its bogus secularism. They don’t want independent and thinking politicians to develope in the party lest they challenge the family. All they want is stooges from the Muslim community – people who will serve toen value but will have no mass appeal. This way they will always be dependent on the leadership for doles and crumbs and will never challenge the monopoly of the elite.

    This is how Congress has systematically sidelined all nationalist Muslims over a period of time. It did this with Jinnah, who at one time was a staunch critic of Muslim league. It did this with Mufti Mohammed Sayeed, who was a staunch Kashmiri nationalist in the sevneties. Only when congress sidelined him did he reinvent himself in present avtaar to survive.

    Of course Congress supports Muslim cleric of Bareilly who has been involved in rioting for 14 days and it supports families of terrorists from Azamgarh.

    And Vinod Sharma spends his valuable time defending Congress secularism and attacking BJP !!!!!!!!!!!

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Also, make a film on Shah Nawaz Hussain, the former Union Cabinet Minister denied a party post but made a spokesman of the BJP. Tokenism at its best. No?

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vinodji,
    I’ll defintely take your advise and also add you as one of the character in the film.
    This character will get all emotional at the very mention of Nehru/Gandhis.
    Vinodji, I guess you are not a neutral honest journalist but a propagandist for Nehru/gandhi.

    Vir Sanghvi ne chamcho ki fauz ikatthi kar rakhi hai.

    Rajeev Reply:

    I’ll call your character Moti.

    Anil Reply:

    Tokenism so is it written in constittuioon thou shall must get party post before being gven spokesperson’s job..

    Don;t you soudn like congress lackey here

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Dear Sharma Saheb
    Irrespective of the merits of the women reservation bill, your thanking Mr. Ishwar for giving credit for this bill to Mrs Sonia Gandhi indeed exposes you for your biased writings. You are always seen very often defending , the PM , Mrs Gandhi and Mr. Rahul Gandhi for any crticism they are subjected to by the commentators in response to your blogs which definitely does not allow us to see you as one being an impartial in your political comments. That is especially so when a slanging match starts between you and the commentators as and when they comment critically about these VIPs and then your labelling them as the BJP/RSS stooges. Is it a must to be sympathiser of either BJP or RSS for anyone to comment against these leaders?
    Wished you had adopted an independent approach as a an honoured journalist in supporting and appreciating political leaders of any politcal party rather than being seen as media defender of only congress leaders.
    Regards
    BNA

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  • Rajiv

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    State sponsored hatred by Pak…………..
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    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-the-crazy-right-and-rump-pakistan-630

    Just read on this from Dawn.

    I WAS to regale you with other stories to do with our security establishment’s tortured and seemingly futile hunt for the very elusive holy grail of strategic depth in Afghanistan (I ask you) this week, but the ever-increasing assault on our poor country and its innocent people by unlettered and brainwashed and murderous yahoos leads me elsewhere.

    Who saw clips of the unintentional video shot by a shocked bystander who burst into uncontrolled moans as he filmed the Yahoo blow himself up and tens of others with him, limbs and blood and gore flying in all directions?

    Well, I did, and while one has almost been inured to such scenes, the live images were shocking in the extreme and outraged me more and more every time they were repeated. Not for long though, because soon the scenes began to be censored, the more gory parts cut out of the film. Bad move by whoever for the people at large must be shown the extent of the bestiality and the brutishness of the yahoos who are lionised by some politicians for their own narrow political ends.

    Lahore has been attacked twice inside of a week, the attacks killing scores of people and injuring and maiming many more. The intelligence agencies failed all ends up yet again, and as per usual, specially the premier agency aka the Mother of All Agencies which seems to have its finger in every matter — from disappearing people to formulating the country’s foreign policy to destabilising the government whenever it is perceived to be stepping ‘out of line’ — except in running the yahoos to the ground and nipping their evil in the bud.

    You might well ask what I mean by the title of this piece. Simple: the Crazy Right are the successors of the Crush India Brigade of the late 1960s and early 1970s which gave us the Bangladesh tragedy (which of course had other reasons too); rump Pakistan is the country we are left with after the breakup of Pakistan as a result of the exertions of the crazy Right. They might well succeed yet again.

    Here is the present high priest of the crazy Right, one Zaid (Zaman) Hamid, reportedly speaking on something called ‘Ummah Radio’: “Pakistan is in the headlines again! Oh people! Know that it is a combined action of RAW and Mossad to dismantle the divinely placed concrete foundations of the house of the pure, the feared fort of Islam. We are a nation which is like a glittering star of guidance for the crescent of the whole Muslim world, the pioneer of the creation of the green united states of Islam in the world that is drowning in the sea of ignorance.

    “Oh Muslims! Always hold on to truth, and the truth is that it is yet again a Zionist-controlled western media’s conspiracy. Let’s rise up against the enemies of Islam; let’s nuke the … Hindus and Jews, the nefarious dark forces of this planet. Insha’allah, the time for shahadat is near. My sons and daughters, get ready for the big day, the promised day when Allah will make the Muslims victorious and Jews will run here and there to find shelter. Even the trees will talk and will say: ‘these sons of apes and swines are hiding behind my trunk’.

    “Rise up and get ready for the mass suicide. Great nations die for a noble cause. What is more nobler than wiping the enemies of Islam from the face of this earth? Remember, Islam is a peaceful religion. Allah commands us to take care of each other. All are equal in the eyes of Allah. Slay them with your daggers. …Islam will rule the world….”. The transmission is interrupted. Announcer: “We are trying to re-establish the connection with our great leader, meanwhile we will ask Qari Bakir to recite ‘Surah Tauba’.”

    If this doesn’t make your blood run cold and infuriate you all at once, dear reader, I don’t know what will. Can you and I ask why this person is allowed to go on with his increasingly violent rants aimed at the huge numbers of unemployed, half-educated youths who have nothing to do in a country that is essentially a security state and which, instead of creating job opportunities for these vulnerable targets for the spreaders of poison, spends most of its money on toys and more toys for the boys, and more and more luxurious perks for its generals?

    Surely spreading hate against other religions is against the law? Surely calling for mass suicide is against the law? Surely advocating nuking the hell out of another country is a crime against humanity itself? Why, then, is this man not prosecuted?

    Why does the federal government not get the Federal Bureau of Revenue to investigate the sources of this person’s income, which must be huge judging from the campaigns he mounts, to see who exactly keeps him in big money? Why does the judiciary, which seems to be hell-bent on just pursuing the federal government’s leaders, not take suo motu notice of this man’s dangerous spoutings?

    We must recall immediately too that some days ago this person was hosted in Peshawar by Governor Owais Ghani and sent amidst official protocol to speak at Islamia College University where he was not allowed to speak by the Pakhtun Students Union and the Amn Tehrik and was sent scurrying back to the comfort of the governor’s bosom.

    Why, pray, is the federal government’s representative in Peshawar trying to smooth the way for this purveyor of hatred? Why is he mollycoddling this man who is attempting to lead the country’s disaffected young astray?

    Our country is at great risk, my friends, for no one seems to have learnt any lessons at all. I fear it will face even more grief in the coming days while our politicians leap off the cliff like lemmings.

    kshafi1@yahoo.co.uk

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    How can you compare this vote with the Emergency period vote silly? It wasa vote that cut across party lines.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Also, your love for CN Narendra Modi does not absolve him of the vicarious responsibility for the riots assuming that he wasn’t an active or a deliberately silent participant.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Akhilesh,
    Pl let the court decide the constitutionality of the law. Don’t prejudge.

    Akhilesh Reply:

    Dear Vinod Ji,
    Infact I have the full liberty to prejudge the constitutionality of the law. I believe if passed, it will impinge on my guarantees given by the constitution under Article 14, 19 and 21.

    You may believe differently. What the court will do is actually judge these competing views.

    So don’t grudge me my own more right – of the freedom to have views on acts of the government. Or is that barred too under the new dispensation !!!

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Sir
    By the same logic I feel you can not absolve the late Rajiv Gandhi for his famous/infamous remarks ” When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake” during 1984 sikh massacre by the congress lumpens. It hardly matters whether he himself was involved in these acts or not but he did justfy the holocaust of the sikhs through his remarks.
    Regards
    BNA

    ishwar Reply:

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand and Akhilesh,

    Many thanks for your support in exposing the true colours of Mr. Sharma.

    Let him have a good sleep tonight.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    All Nikhil, all. It is a cocktail of dissent.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Mr.Sharma,
    A person who allows massacre of 4000 people is criminal. Here I am talking about your hero BHARAT RATNA Rajiv Mussolini Gandhi.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    What a strange man u are rajeev. U hurl absuses on departed errants (if you like to believe that) but eulogise the living whose sins are greater.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Don’t give me Indian BS that those departed should not be condemned.
    For me Rajiv gandhi is as criminal as Modi or Bal Thackrey.

    Unlike you, I am always neutral in my analysis. You eulogise criminal Rajiv gandhi who actually justified massacre of 4000 sikhs. You should also know that Sikhs contributed greatly to Indian freedom struggle unlike your brethern muslims who actually divided India.

    You are a shame on your profession.

    Anil Reply:

    You need to revisit the usage of word vicarious.. I\\Anyway if you must pin responisbility on head of state then have gumption to call each and every head of states right from Rajeev Gandhi reposnible for the respective riots under their watch..

    You will find99.99999% riots have happeend under congress watch

  • vijay kumar

    The whole debate about the reservation issue conveniently circumvents true lovers of India and Indian democracy.

    Why for instance are the following questions not being addressed.

    1) Idiots like Mulayam Singh and Lalu and Muslim MP’s want a quota on religious lines. This is a sureshot way of going back to the system of seperate electorates as was prevalent before independence. The Congress may eye minority votes and agree to it, but only at the cost of driving a bigger wedge between Hindus and Muslims or for that matter between all communities.

    HIndus are safe under leaders like Arif Mohammed khan and Muslims are safe under leaders like Vjapayee or manmohan Singh. Why then seperate electorates? Stupid ! :( Idiotic :( vote gathering tactics which will damage the country like nothing before.

    All in the name of proving secular credentials…

    2) Why should an MP nurse a constituency if he is going to get shifted out?? Many MP’s like Sandeep Dikshit/ Kapil Sibal/ Advani/ Jaswant Singh/ Maneka Gandhi nursed their constituencies well. This concept will just die !

    Wonder why all this is being done to damage India.

    Getting women into Parliament is a necissity. Ultimately the great evil MP’s of India– the Mukhtar Ansari’s, the DP Yadav’s and Madan Bhayyias were all men.

    But maybe the solution lies in making it mandatory for all parties to field 33% women and not reserving seats for them.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    I do feel reserving 33 % seats in the Parliament may be a good development. I feel it certainly deserves a chance. But if we get Rabri Devis then this whole exercise may go waste.

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/ Akhilesh

    “The Bill was passed by a thumping majority in the upper house. How can u question that in a democracy?”

    The above are your own words – quoted verbatim from your reply to Ishwar above.

    Quite an unexceptionable view. And I agree with you fully.

    Here are some questions:
    1. Indira Gandhi had passed various pernicious constitutional amendments during and preceeding the emergency. That too was based on majority. Was it right to question those amendments or not? Or should, all those people fighting her attacks on the Constitution, just shut up and let her act at will?

    2. The SC has clearly laid out that irrespective of the quantum of majority in parliament, the basic structure of the constitution cannot be amended. What will you say if someone files an appeal in the courts, if and when the bill is passed, that the Women’ Reservation bill violates the basic structure of the constitution. Will you still tell the person to shut up or will let the SC adjudicate?

    3. What about the rights of the people of constituencies which will be reserved.? Will this bill not violate their rights under Article 14, 19 and 21 of the constitution? Will you still them to shut up because majority in parliament passed this law?

    4. Finally – here is the clincher to test your principle – It is a case where indeed the will of the majority should prevail. Let’s see what you say in this case, though?

    What if the majority of people elecct BJP in next elections – an election in which Modi is leader and he becomes the PM. Will you come on TV and celebrate the will of the people or you will use the standard apology that democracy sometimes is imperfect and therefore Modi should not be PM?

    Any answers – or you will dismiss these questions too as of someone of under-educated?

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  • Ziauddin Shafi

    Per population ratio, women must get 50% share of the seats – on what basis have the politicians decided to give them only 33%? The corruption in our system could be reduced only when more women are empowered at all levels, beginning from the panchayat to the parliament. It will never go away of course, the business-politician-bureaucrat trio is an ancient para-institution; however there would be a general feeling of calm and order with more women at all places. More than asking for reservations in parliament, the concept of winnability should be attacked so that more representatives of all minorities get a ticket and share of power through ballot. In all fairness, it is disappointing to see such a low and less proportion of Muslims in all corridors of power.

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Vinod,

    What are you really lamenting about; poor conduct by our male MP’s, lack of parliamentary reservations for women and Muslims or the fact that party whips, not debate or dissent, is going to be the glowing future of Indian democracy?

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Ziauddin Shafi,

    You make some interesting points but I disagree with some of them. We already have reservations for women in our panchayats, municipal bodies and some state assemblies. The rural women are getting politicaly empowered as a result, even if the parliament does not have quotas for women. As evidenced in other countries, quotas in parliament breed few powerful women and do not help rural women. We’ll may witness something similar in India if quotas go through. Women in India are equal with men and politically free since 26th Jan 1950. What they yearn for is socio-economic parity with men that will not be achieved through political reservations.

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  • Diva

    Dear Vinodji,

    Do you think there should be any credit given to BJP and LEFT for the passing of bill.BJP is the first opposition party which has supported the Government on Issues of National Importance.
    We have never seen the congress taking such a stance.

    But STILL for the media,the credit should go to SONIA GANDHI.

    Its high time the BJP start building its presence in the media.Its not good to be fair when the whole media is biased against you.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    These journos especially from HT/ToI/IBN/NDTV can not think beyond Sonia and Rahul.

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I recently read that there are around 450 central and state projects worth thousands of crores of public money which have either of the 3 names; Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi – all ex-Congress PM’s. Knowing your affinity, or lack thereof, for the Congress party, I thought this could be an interesting fact to know.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Nikhil,
    Let me state very clearly that I am not pro-right wing. Rather I’ll call myself to be anti-congress specifically anti-nehru/gandhis. If you see any problem in our country, you can source it back to acts of this dynasty.
    I personally consider RSS ideology Pajama-Chhap. They are living in middle ages.
    As far as congress is concerned, it is more like party of brown sahibs who want to divide and rule.

    One such example is intorduction of women reservation bill to divide the opposition who were united on price rise. This women resevation bill was also meant to divide men and women who were united against the congress over prise rise.

    They dumped left on N-Bill and bought Mulayam’s party by blackmailing him with CBI. Mayawati is also supporting congress out of fear. can you believe SP and BSP to be on same side? It is fear of CBI probe that is making them support congress. I am pretty sure, same is true for DMK and AIDMK.

    Here is the website that lists all the instituitions named after Nehru-Gandhis. This is compiled by leading journalist Surya Prakash.

    http://www.asuryaprakash.com/

  • srbhardwaj

    Your analysis is absolutely correct. The conduct of parliamentarians largely depends upon the quality of leadership their parties have. Discipline can come only if the parties keep their M.P.s educated about the purpose for which they are elected to Parliament. When the leadership fails, their is chaos in the Parliament. Our system does not provide sufficient opportunites and time to our M.P.s to express their views in the Parliament with the result that they resort to tactics like disorderly scenes to attract attention of the TV cameras. No party has ever expelled an M.P. for disorderly behaviour. If the M.P.s know that their Party is watching them, they will be more discreet. You misbehave and you get mileage in the media.

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  • http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

    Dear Vinod ji,
    In the last couple of articles you have only drawn disparagement and condemnation…….. more appropriately pristine abuses ! I am surprised to see the total absence of civil debate or argument which should form the sine qua non of blogs like yours.
    I salute you for the persistence you show in your commitment to secularism and peace. I am reminded of a few couplets by Faiz Ahmad Faiz:

    Ham par tumhaarii chaah kaa ilzaam hii to hai,
    dushnaam to nahiin hai ye ikaraam hii to hai.
    Karate hain jis pe taan, koii jurm to nahii,
    shauq-e-fuzuul-o-ulfat-e-nakaam hii to hai.
    Dil na-umeed to nahii, na-kaam hii to hai,
    lambii hai Gam kii shaam, magar shaam hii to hai.

    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    My Blog: http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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    Rajeev Reply:

    You will not say same if Vinod was cussing muslims and pakistan.
    Why are you muslims so narrow minded and communal?

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Rajeev ji,
    Thanks for the berating. It’s high time that good, educated people like you should try to be more objective in debate than haul me over the coals with the regular rhetoric that Muslims are communal and narrow minded. Anyway your comments have made me see you in a brighter light. Recently I wrote an article against the beheading of Sikhs in Pakistan. I entitled it “Beheading Islam in Peshawar”. The response of the mullahs was lightening. I received e mails which were just short of asking for my head. I had similar encounters when the Hindu published my article justifying the provision of gay rights by the Delhi High Court last summer. I can see that across both sides of the fence there are people who dislike anything which doesn’t suite their style and comfort zones. I hope that you understand what I mean. For the likes of me and Vinodji its,
    Khuda hi mila, na wisaley sanam,
    Na idhar k rahey na udhar ke rahey
    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Read your article on your blog. Indeed an eye opener and shame on religious fanatics (Taliban). My tribute to Jaspal Singh and condolences to his family. May God bless his soul.

    A good write.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Shah Alamji,
    You may condemn skih killing etc. but at the end of the day you are muslims who can never be modearte forget liberal. Many hindus regularly visit Dargah and have immense respect for sufi saint but how many muslims ever visit hindu temple and pay respect to hindu GOD. NONE…

    This is what makes your different…You are a muslim who are waiting for the time when Islam will docminate and you will force all of us to accept Islam. We already have living example of this in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc.

    I am willing to tolerate Sufis but muslims of saudi kinds need to be countered.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Rajeev,

    You have all the right not to accept Islam as your religion. No one can force you for this. In history that has been done, I wont deny that but you hold the power and option in your hand.

    Why dont muslims go out to pay respect to hindu God? Why none? the answer is we have been strictly asked to refrain at all ends towards any source leading or matching concept of polytheism. Since hinduism is one of such faith we would abide by not to accept its any piece. Sorry for that but that is in the best interest of muslims. Muslims should avoid calling bad names to other philosophies and concepts leading to more than one god (as per prophet’s ruling).

    Diva Reply:

    @Shah Alam Khan

    We just want Vinodji to be neutral in his analysis.Till now,he defends Congress party just like a spokesperson of the Party.We feel it is unbecoming of the Editor of the prestigious national Daily HT.
    BTW,Do you think Sonia Gandhi should be given all the credit for the passage of the bill?

    @Vinodji
    Please come out of your shell and try to raise issues like Price Rice,Nuclear disaster Liability bill.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Diva,
    I don’t care whether my views match with those of any political party so long as I am sure of what I say. Pl bear with me as I am going to be like that. That doesn’t mean however that I don’t respect
    your right to hold a view. I have thus far refrained from commenting on your very personal remarks about my political position. But I feel that you lack as well the so called balance you want in my statements. Start charity from home dear.

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    Dear Dr. Khan,
    Do you really think all of us only abuse and disparage Vinod?

    I would request you to please read my comments on this page above and then tell me which part of it was abusive and which was disparaging? If you read my comments you wil notice that all my criticisms have been substantiative and used arguments and facts.

    Also see the reply of Vinod to those comments – he has each time replied to substatiative comments with one liners – sometimes witty and sometimes sarcastic. And that is fine. Thats his style. But then why grudge someone if he replies back to Vinod in one liners too?

    Alternatively, it can be your case that any disagreement with Vinod is simply not permitted – it is downright immoral if not illegal – because Vinod is serving the cause of peace and secularism. If that is your case then please let us know.

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  • vijay kumar

    We guys may be planning and debating the women’s reservation bill. Meanwhile our evil and vile neighbour called Paadistan is making more diabolical plans to destroy our freedoms, our economic successes and kill Indians.

    let us not lose focus on how to tackle our sleaze ball of a neighbour which sponsors terror worldwide and especially India.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Vijay,

    Please don’t carve out unnecessary statements for your unity by putting the blame game on Pakistan. Admit that Pakistan has troubles but then we dont curse you for your freedom and economic success.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Usman,

    My email is not directed at gentle and reasonable people like you. It is directed at the Pakistani state which has become a menace to the world and is mass producing terrorists who are attacking humanity and mankind all over in the name of Islamic jihad; The real intention of its leaders being to hold on to power, kill dissenters and make as much money as possible.

    Usman, we in India like to respect all religions and countries. But unfortunately with every attempt of trying to make peace with Pakistan we are only stabbed in the back. At this stage today, Pakistan now openly lets evil creatures like Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed talk of sponsoring more terror attacks like Mumbai.

    Your country are still training terrorists thinking that they will ultimately be the cutting edge in defeating India. In-fact there is a feeling of victory in Pakistan that with the coming withdrawal of the US troops, Pakistan has won….

    What stupid **** !

    Pakistan has lost. LOST !! LOST !!!

    Because ultimately the Taliban will end up ruling Pakistan one day; that one day the nuclear button could well go in the hand of mad jihadis who would unleash a war, which reasonable people like you and me don’t want, but would be forced to fight.

    I am sorry if I hurt you. I guess I am disturbed by what the future holds for Pakistan and the disaster it will unleash on the world. You may feel that the jihadis are assets which will keep biting and barking at India. But one day they will takeover Pakistan and you will lose your freedoms.

    Maybe reasonable people in Pakistan– if they are any– should really come forward to fight against what your country now represents.

    Sorry, but I guess it is in our interests — yours and mine– to change things……

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman saheb
    You seem to be so different from an average Pakistani and sometimes it confuses us on this side. The whole Pakistani society was quiet after the sikhs were beheaded by the Talibans. But then we can not blame the people of Pakistan alone as none of any muslim leader in our own country condemned this barbarous act of Talibans. But again Dr. Shah Alam Khan is an exception as you are.
    Yes, we have political differences but that should not be a cause of being uncivil to each other. Dont you agree that Talibans are Pakistan’s own creation and now this monster is devouring the country as it feels empowered enough to be able to rule the country. By the way are the Afghan Talibans different from Punjab Taliban or Pakistan Taliban? Though all these varieties of Talibans came from Madrassas in Pakistan. I am talking of Punjab Taliban as only very recently the CM of Pakistan Punjab appealed to Talibans to spare Punjab from Taliban attacks. Has not the people of Pakstan ever thought for reformoing the Madrassas so as to produce the pass outs which are more useful to the Pakistan society rather than be the factories to produce the fanatical warriors to fight battles for others?I shall be glad to be enlightened on this subject.
    Regards
    BNA

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Dr Anand,

    Firstly, I welcome your comments on The Dawn blogs, somehow my comments were never published to your responses (especially the one on celebration of Holi in Pakistan).

    Secondly, I find it different/strange to myself as why am I being different from average Pakistani, trust me there are more then me out here. Besides political levels we should have some fair exchange of thoughts and ideas at individual levels as well and let it be in humane and civil manner like you said.

    Regarding Taliban and its creation there are many different stories. I’ve witnessed talk shows where army personals have called them as “my boys” and then we witness the first hand knowledge from those jehadis who were part of Afghan-Russian war and claim that they evolved after Russia left (something not part of then maddrassas/training camps). When people were subject to hardship and sufferings at the hands of northern alliance, General Dostam and many other war lords, people sought justice at the hand of a madrassa teacher Mullah Omer, who used strict islamic-sharia law for justice. Something that brought relief to people from cruel leaders but that was equally hard on freedom of people as well.

    Pakistan had always wanted its pro team in Afghanistan keeping in view earlier experience of Russian invasion and intelligence had always feared India’s presence in Afghanistan as well. Yes! we supported Taliban and recognized their regime but that counts only for Afghan Taliban.
    Punjabi/Pakistani Taliban are one and same, there is also twist in tale for people who were leaders of Pak-Taliban. Early in 2002-03 when most of the tribal insurgents (who fled from Afghanistan) sought refuge in tribal areas of Pakistan. People like Baitullah Mehsud and many more were all those who were caught by Pakistan and were handed over to US seeking fear of their involvement with Al-Qaida. But since that was never proved they returned from Guantanamo Bay jail in 2006 this time with revenge. What Pakistan is suffering now is at the hands of the followers of those irrespective that was taught in maddrassas or unnecessary US drone attacks, this insurgency will grow with time.

    For the case of maddrassas, during Musharaff’s regime many were closed and training camps destroyed in north-west tribal areas. In rest of the country maddrassas were asked to get registered (not sure how far we have got with that) but good reforms were made after criticism from world on jehad curriculum. Much has to be done. We can add this as one of the factor for insurgency but not the only one.

    Regards,
    Usman

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman Saheb
    Thanks for enlightening me about the evolution of Talibans as jihadis. If my urdu is correct, Taliban should mean ‘a student ‘and a Madrassah means a ’school’. So Talibans are just school students. Did these school students become first Jihadis to fight Soviets in Afghanistan and now killing Pakistan people learn to be fanatic warriors from their Madrassahs? In that case , dont u think the curriculum of Madrassahs be totally changed? Are these Madrassaha run by some NGOs /religious bodies or mosques, and if so, the govt. has any controll on to see the contents of their courses? I also understand that in these Madrassahs , the students only learn Holy Quoran reading? I know it is an unending discussion but the only thing which bewilders me that why there is so much resistance from the operators of these Madrassahs to any reforms which the Pakistan govt. wishes to undertake in terms of what they are taught.
    Oh, yes, sometimes when I have time, I do venture into the blogs of Dawn.com. In fact, I do like that paper for its crisp contents and a balanced political approach.
    Regards
    BNA

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    No, like i mentioned if you chronologically trace jehadis (labelled as Taliban) were not there at the time of Afghan war. In the Afghan war there were chechens, arabs, tajiks, pakis, afghans (all sects shia, sunni and wahabis) under the spearhead leadership of intelligence agencies created, supplied with money (mostly from CIA and Saudis, may trace that to Osama and bin Laden oil company, BCCI), madrassa settings, training camps created ……….. all because to create a war to drive the red worm out from Afghanistan. So you win by drawing illusions that your religion, land and values are at stake from an evil threat (a kafir, in this case Russia). This became the reason of preaching jehad in maddrassa. If im not wrong (some element of doubt is there please Ref: The terror timeline by Paul Thomson) the text of which was carefully drawn in Nevada State university, US. So Taliban were never there in the 80s war. May be! the vacum of leaving out the land with objectives achieved, be the reason for a suitable environment of attrocities and loot-mar that eventually gave birth to a group of school students (belonging to Mullah Omer’s maddrassah) named as Taliban who stood for justice. But like I said this came afterwards.

    The maddrassahs are usually run by mosques under a religious body. Quran is taught and few centuries ago this was a full-fledge institue for learning (science, culture, religion.. etc). The jehadi curriculum became a part of it in the 80s war (little is known if it existed before that). These learning institutes were sought as threat under the British Raj, as they sought religion to be away from daily lives of people. Slowly, gradually, things changed (across whole Indian subcontinent) and what is now is the place for learning Quran etc is now a place of producing evil terrorists. The preception of the world needs to be changed a lot, that it is not a place of producing jehadis etc but a place of learning). I myself have been a maddrassah student.

    Very good question raised by you that why is there a resistance. I think it is muslims unnecessary being touchy about religion. Any reform that would not align with islam is taboo —– so protest and dont let this happen. However, one belief and I’m also a believer of that is wipe out jehad from Islamic curriculum. ” This is an absurd and leathal concept that would harm world/non-muslims .. so is in the best interest of all to wipe this out.” This concept has always created differences in religous parties and government. The belief is Pak government is taking dictation from above and should be more with the people living within. This is the inner story so far.

    Good Day,
    Usman

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman Saheb
    Thanks for your time and effort to explain the history of Talibans. Though I shall like to know more but may be later on and at some other time. But one simple thing I shall still like to know. Why these jihadis and mercanaries are at all called TALIBANS. Since u yourself say that at one time u also spent time in Madrassaah, can you be also called a Taliban. This has to be differntiated as you will not be called by that name, though the Jihadis and u were part of the same curriculum but doing different things in life.
    Please excuse me for my ignorance but took the courage to ask you this as you seem to be very liberal and would understand my inquisitiveness.
    Thanks
    BNA

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Dr Anand,

    You have all the right to ask and question. Provided if I also know the answers to your queries ;) . Your quisitiveness is very just, I feel honored and would like to explore the answers and bring it to you even if i dont know.
    Sir, please dont tag me as liberal. I’m not sure if i am one or not, but I would like to see and analyze things without being biased.

    No relation exists between a maddrassah student and Taliban. The literal meaning of Taliban has no connection to the concept of maddrassah student or religious fighter (jehadi). Taliban are group of people who belong to Afghanistan, jihadis can be anyone who claim to be fighting for a cause of religion, and maddrasah students are students. May be the later two is something that can reside under a maddrasah. The one i was part of was not the one and I know that almost all are not those who produce jehadis, teach violence that we see and hear (suicidal bombings etc) The curriculum was very much simple religious teaching, no violence.

    No I’m not Taliban. Feel free to ask any query.

    Truly,
    Usman

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Usman Saheb

    I always thought that the word Talibans is the plural of Talib ilam, which means a student.Madrassah, I hope literally means ‘a school’. If we do not go by literal meaning of Taliban, then why the jihadis and suicide bombers be given the respect to be called a student or students. It will be interesting to know how they started being called Talibans.
    In a way, every one is a Taliban , meaning a Talib ilam as learning is a continuous process Do not you think it would be more appropriate to call these jihadis, killers or suicide bombers by another name approriate to their profession and conduct?
    Thanks and regards
    BNA

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Dr Anand,

    The word Taliban is the plural of Talib, meaning: ’seeker’ or ’someone having thirst for something’. Likewise, Talib – ilm is seeker for knowledge or put in one word as student, Talib – insaaf is seeker for justice etc. So calling students as Taliban is not all that correct.

    Living under the impression that all are called Taliban is also not correct. There are many different jehadis like Hizb e Islami, Lakshar e Taiba, Jaish e Muhammad etc that are in one way or other operative for a religious cause. So they are also called differently and are not identified as student but are called as jehadis. Indeed it is confusing to separate jehadis and students and organizations.

    Regards,
    Usman

  • Praveen Saxena

    Every time Vinod Sharmaji brings in Narendra Modiji we shall bring in the genocide presided over by Late Rajiv Gandhi led Congress. Both have to be dealt with even hands.

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    Anil Reply:

    But Pankaj Vohra said Rajeevji was in mournign hence forgot to jot down two letters “call-army” yes Rajeevji was not mournign when he rushed to swear in as Pm even before his mother cud be cremated.. These court-jesters of congress masquerading as journalist makes one puke

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  • vijay kumar

    Dear Vinodji,

    You once called me repitative.

    hey the sun comes out of the East everyday… would you call it boring and repitativve? :)

    Anyway since the future of our country and the safety of our children is concerned, I have no problems in reminding Pakistan that they are undesirable creatures worldwide if they keep breeding terrorists, creating jehadis and killing innocents.

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay
    A very appropriate and wise response to the charge of your being repetitive by our learned journalist Mr. Vinod sharma. Keep it up
    BNA

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Thank you Dr Anand !

    I will also be repitative in saying that Vinodji is more democractic than many other bloggin jounalists since he does not delete views of those opposed to him. :) :)

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Hello Vijay
    Another ace.
    BNA

  • Anil

    All said and done thsi bill is handiwork of A B VAjpayee and Geeta Mukherjee they brought it as private member’’s bill back in 1996.

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  • JJohnson

    Even after 60+ years of British rule we still can’t fix our stinking toilets whether they are located in land, sea or air –then my friend British were British and not Americans! So last time India introduced was numerical called “zero” before even America was discovered by Columbus and see the results. And how old is the Indian culture and the Indian land and the Indian sub-continent. Readers decide if “OVERSOLD” is the right word. I would even add OVER PROMISED to it too so that each side gave something and accepted something. OVERSOLD & OVER PROMISED is the correct wording.

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  • Shazzam

    From where do you hire writers HT, that they dont know even how to write Phelps’ ???
    Just like the municipal corporation’s gardener who doubled up as a dhobi too ?

    Secondly, why cant you systematically compare the cost of setting up a Table tennis/tennis/boxing/shooting facility Vs Cost and time taken for the Noida park..? A media house wont be sued by the politician who gets footwear via jet plane. Nor did u cared to get the gurgaon’s pregnant lady road accident death any coverage in the 90 days. Bakwaas chapwa lo.. eh ?
    Or are you too sissy like the gen Indian public to do anything good..?

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  • http://twitter.com/amithak50 Stuart little

    guys from villages beat phelps easily ..there are tons of excellent swimmers in indian villages ..but this country is all about silly bollywood,silly cricket

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  • http://twitter.com/SerenaAnsari Serena Ansari

    We can blame the government for being corrupt and not allowing our country to move forward, oh wait I have a better idea why don’t we use the excuse that we are a third world country don’t have enough money. Oh wait can we say that because of too much population, space and personal training is hard. Oh wait I have a better idea lets blame our society for being to involved by the glitz and glamour of bollywood and the crazy fanatic love for cricket. Is that going to help the situation? We spend too much time coming up with excuses, blaming and demotivating ourselves that we begin exactly where we started. If you want to see a change in India’s performance don’t leave it to our corrupt government, or stop blaming and looking for excuses. Instead begin at home, motivate talent in your family, neighbor, community. Look for the talent yourself, support NGO’s that scout athletes in slums. Support them, because more than half of our talent is hiding in our poor. Find a solution, and once you find it take action on it. Its easy to compare, demotivate and mock the situation, but it takes courage to accept the situation and turn the situation around!

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  • Curry Badger

    This is a good reminder to be careful crossing the street in Mumbai, if guys like this are driving anything can happen.

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  • childgod

    Do not simply punish the convicts, stop the crime for god sake!

    Make police service available all over the country within 10 minutes of dialing #100 from anywhere in the country. Police should stop the crime not just take the report after the entire crime is completed. Indian Legal system has plenty of loopholes created by the brits and being maintained by goons in the country.

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