The Saudi factor

“We feel Saudi Arabia, of course, has a long and close relationship with Pakistan. But that makes Saudi Arabia even a more of a valuable interlocutor for when we tell them about our experience, Saudi Arabia listens as somebody who is not in any way an enemy of Pakistan but a friend of Pakistan, therefore will listen with sympathy and concern to a matter of this nature.”

Can this statement of Shashi Tharoor during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to Saudi Arabia be interpreted as invitation for third party intervention by Riyadh in Indo-Pak affairs? Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary says the word “interlocutor” lends itself to two meaning: 1) a person taking part in a conversation with you and 2) a person or an organization that talks to another person or organization on behalf of somebody else.

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Former J&K Chief Minister Ghulam Nabi Azad signs extradition treaty with Saudi Arabia on India's behalf

Their proclivity for sensation made the media deduce the Minister’s allusion was to a Saudi interface between New Delhi and Islamabad. The inference seemed driven more by past controversies over Tharoor’s pithy tweets than by the manner in which he arranged his remarks. The media got it wrong because New Delhi hasn’t ever used the word interlocutor to dilate against third party role in India-Pakistan matters since the 1972 Shimla Pact grounded in bilateralism. The coinage was about rejecting third party “mediation.”

Besides China, Saudi Arabia has tremendous clout with Pak Army and civilian leadership. Over the years, it bailed Islamabad out of countless economic and political crises through generous financial assistance and supply of petroleum crude. It played a key role in installation of Mujahideen/Taliban regimes (post Soviet withdrawal) in Kabul and brokered deals with General Pervez Musharraf for the exile and subsequent return to Pakistan of Nawaz Sharif after the military coup that saw him ousted. It’s ample clear from the statement the media tore out of context that Tharoor called Riyadh a “valuable interlocutor” for its ability to persuade rather than mediate with Pak policy makers forever under obligation of the oil-rich kingdom. This perception was built as much in the PM’s remarks to reporters after the visit: “I know Saudi Arabia has close relations with Pakistan. I did discuss Indo-Pak relations with His Majesty on a one-to-one basis. I explained to him the role that terrorism, aided, abetted and inspired by Pakistan is playing in our country. And I did not ask for him to do anything other than to use his good offices to persuade Pakistan to desist from this path.”

So, it’ll be unfair to clobber Tharoor for what he said. But he needs to be chided for speaking out of turn at a bilateral Summit that happened after a gap of 28 years. On similar count, some bit of criticism must come in the share of superannuated foreign policy experts who reject out of hand the possibility of Saudi Arabia nudging Pakistan to act against terrorists of all hue. Their refrain: Riyadh’s a supporter of Islamabad and cannot be expected to play an unbiased role.

From within their time warps, these learned men ignored or failed to notice the symbolism and the substance of the India-Saudi extradition treaty signed from the Indian side by Ghulam Nabi Azad, former Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir.

I’d like to ask whether or not that marks a change in Riyadh’s perception? Or for that matter its painstaking efforts to distance from the Taliban whose regime some years ago in Afghanistan had its early recognition along with Pakistan’s.

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Posted by Vinod Sharma on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 at 7:27 pm
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http://- Rajeev

It is an open invitation to KSA to meddle in our external and then internal affairs. You were initially dealing with one loony muslim country (pakistan) but by involving KSA you are also involving OIC (57 loony countries) who have always voted in favor of pakistan on kashmir.

The problem is that KSA position is not neutral in Indo-pak relation and Kashmir issue.
It is a very dangerous move. This can be a signal to International Jehadis to jointly fight against India. Now we have to deal with 57 islamic nations and their non-state actors.

Well done..

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Nikhil Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 am
Rajeev,

I disagree with your views because they’re frozen in time. If the US, China and the EU at some point or other can take help from Saudi Arabia to influence elements in Pakistan, why should not India? India is not alone in fighting the scurge of Islamic extremism while maintaining good economic and strategic ties with the Saudis. We have a more compeling case than others to nudge Saudis to knock some sense in Pakistan. India openly warming up ties with Saudis has bothered many in Pakistan. Now this may not materialize immediately but it opens a window of opportunity which was closed until now.

Your fear that KSA has not be neutral on Kashmir is reasonable. But this precisely gives us the reason to give incentives – economic & strategic – to the Saudi government to ’stay neutral’ in Indo-Pak relations in Kashmir and Afghanistan. What we’ve done with the Saudis is not new; we’ve adopted this strategy before with the Americans, the Europeans and the Chinese with good success.

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Rajeev Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 9:32 am
India unfortunately does not have same influence as USA, China and EU have on Saudis and Islamic block.

We don’t dictate to these nation instead KSA and muslim nations will dictate to us.

Pl. come out of this mindset that India is equal to China. We are nowhere near China on any parameter.

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Nikhil Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
Rajeev,

You are assuming I equated China with India. I’m only saying if other non-Islamic countries can have warm ties with Saudi Arabia; so can we. Besides, no country is capable of dictating terms to a nation of the size of KSA. With time, bilateral economic and strategic ties can create incentives to change old ways.

Rajeev Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 2:28 am
Nikhil,
The difference is that STRONG countries like US, China and EU (I’ll call it a country) can DEMAND co-operation from KSA and other loonies whereas WEAK country like India can only PLEAD for co-operation from KSA.

I am pretty sure KSA will never interfere in internal matters of US, EU and China but it will not hesitate to meddle in our affairs. Pl. remember almost 100% of the Indian muslims are mental slave of KSA because it is birthplace of their religion.

India is making a very dangerous decision and we may regret it one day. You don’t invite big gunda (KSA) to suppress small gunda (Pakistan). The best thing is to take small gunda head or call police (western nations).

Rajeev Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 2:29 am
India already has warm relations with KSA due to oil and 180 million zombies.

Nikhil Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 4:10 am
Rajeev,

In gundaraj, as you may know, the best policy is to display strength by rubbing the noses of your opponents to the ground. In the given circumstances, we cannot whack the small goonda because he is perhaps protected by some big goondas. So, we do the next best thing. We put a bigger price and lure the big goonda to work with us or ask him to stand back when we’re visiting the mohalla.

And, we’ve the incentives to lure the Saudis. According to the CIA, the Indian economy in PPP terms is $3.5 trillion and the Saudi economy is close to $600 billion. We’re growing faster than them and have a huge market for the products that the Saudis can readily sell. There is enormous potential for tie ups, JV’s and military cooperation. If all this is not adequate, we can always request Shahrukh to go dance in some wedding of Saudi Royal family to tip scales in our favor.

vijay kumar Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Dear Dr Anand,

What makes you think that our Congress boys are good readers of fiction? ?

They seem to be good writers of fiction, considering the various theories they are spinning on the need for talks with Pakistan…

Rajeev Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 8:56 am
But the problem is that Big Gunda that you have hired to bump off small gunda, will ultimately come after you.

You are underestimating the poisonous power of Saudi Arabia – the mother of Islamic terrorism.

We can handle pakistan but big daddy KSA is altogether a different ball game.

Rajeev Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Nikhil,
You are right about SRK power…We have nothing to worry. SRK is the best foreign policy tool available to us provided he remains Indian before being muslim.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 6th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Hello Nikhil
Your comments regarding utilising the services of SRK in someway for taking forward Indo-S. Arabia relations makes me smile. That is whiff of some fresh air in this otherwise a very serious and tense discussion.
BNA
http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com Akhilesh

Dear Vinod Ji,
I don’t know whether you have heard of Amir Raza Hussian? He is a very famous theatre personality and appears frequently on national TV whenever issues pertaining to Muslims is being discussed.

Let me present to you a thesis, which incidentally he agrees with fully.

Saudi Arabia is today what Rome was in 15th century. The capital of politics of the great religions of their time. What the Church was prescribing in 15th-16th century was not religious Christianity but political christianity. It was their tool to advance thier political cause and further the empire, being run from Rome. Anyone who disagreed with them was hounded and killed – no less than persons as Galilieo being an example.

Saudi Arabia is the Rome of this century – the capital of political Islam. It is not mere coincidence that Itlay had control over the Vatican and this is how they claimed legitimacy for their politics. Similarly Saudi Aarabia has control over Mecca and Madina and thus the legitimacy of the rulers. And the tool od SA’s political aspirations – Wahabism. Even the most liberal and the die hard critics of BJP / RSS agree that Wahabism is a cancer that is spreading and needs to be purged.

Who spreads Wahabism? Saudi Arabia through its money and donations and charities. Notice the slew of madrasas that have opened up in Kerala. Even the High Court of Kerala is alarmed at the sudden surge in their numbers.

Indeed when the battle against extremism is fought today – it is not against religious Islam – for that religion is pure. The battle is fought against political Islam, a manifestation of which is Taliban. Saudi Arabia is the cheif promoter of political Islam.

Do you think the SA will listen to MMS and give up its investments of over many decades?

Amir Raza Hussain spends his energy and time in advocating that our long term danger is not from Pakistan. He argues that Pak can be tackled the day India develops political will. He says the the real danger is SA. Through its charities and Wahabism that it is slowly seeping into our system/

You argue that SA could be an honest interolocutor?

To me Amir makes more sense. what about you?

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Nikhil Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 4:24 am
Akhilesh,

We’re not asking the Saudis to mediate but to knock some sense in Pakistan on Kashmir and Afghanistan. This may or may not materialize in our favor but it opens new doors of opportunity which were closed to us before. Every country that wants to influence elements in Pakistan has taken help of the Saudi Royal family at some point or other; India is doing the same.

On the growth of Wahabbi idealogy emanating from KSA, there is a big debate going on in every country as to how to stop it. India is not alone. But let us seperate the wheat from the chaff. Private Saudi charities, not the Saudi government, are mainly responsible for the spread of radical madrassas. Which means we should’ve economic and strategic ties with KSA that would offer incentives to the Saudi govt to either stay neutral or go after the anti-India interests in the region.

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vijay kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Nikhil,

Maybe the Saudis can also be gently told that their funding of Madrassas is also counterproductive, if the curriculam of the madrassas remains what it is. In the end they can be the losers.

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Nikhil Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Vijay Kumar,

You should read up how the Saudi charities misuse the zakat money to peddle their idealogy within Saudi Arabia and elsewhere. Like good venture capitalists, they’ve been very successful in implementing Wahabbi projects and to counter them is going to be hard slog for any country; more so for democracies. I doubt there is one silver bullet to counter Wahabbi influence.

vijay kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I think we rally have to be street smart in foreign policy matters. India and Indian interests first.

Our biggest blunder was when in the fifties, Nehru, let go of a chance to get a permanent seat in the UN, saying that China being a bigger and more mature country deserves it more. In the end Taiwan got the seat, which was later given to CHina in the late seventies.

For too long we have had an intelligensia which tends to have an inferiority complex. Years back the English speaking Indians wanted to be brown sahibs, another set vowed their allegiance to the French and a set of jokers thought that International communism is more important thatn Indian freedom or Indian interests as in 1962 and so many times later as Prakash Karat shows now.

Muslims ( and believe me it is a small percentage who actually get swayed) are being asked by Pakistan to pledge their loyalities to a global Islamic revolution and not to secular India.

Our idiotic set of fake “intellectuals” (like Arundhati Roy and Kuldip Nayar) and selfish politicians like
Mulyam SIngh, Antulay, Mukhtar Ansari and some sections of the Muslim clergy add fire to this by repeating that Muslms are being discriminated against. A fact which is not true. This is a self created problem mostly. By denying education to women and enforcing the sharia law in marriage, you have a perfect recipe for backwardness. And in the end Bal thakrey and Raj, further end up putting a wedge between Hindus and Muslims.

So we really have to combat the enemy inside and the enemy outside. A not so tough tsk if you get your policy right

So we have to take our Muslims along as we combat forces who want them to fight Hindus in the name of global Islam. As well as tackle a recalcitrant Pakistan which is all set to blow up.

We need to get evryone on our side, without actually asking them to mediate. If the PM informs Saudia about the Pakistani funding of terror, it surely must be scaring the Saudis too, as they no longer support the Taliban and are also on the hit list of Al Qaeeda. The action of MMS has definately caused concern in Pakistan.

Let us now also inform China– which is equally vulnerable to Pakistani terror and let them see the bigger picture of Paksitani equipped uclear terrorists entering beijing.

In the end, we have to still prove to Pakistan that every attack it plans on the Indian soil will lead to a greater disaster in Pakistan. This is the crux of the issue.

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ishwar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Mr. Vinod Sharma can’t ever find a fault with the Congressis. He is always out to defend them in public whenever one of them makes a mistake. India’s position has traditionally been – “No 3rd Party mediation (or interlocution)” – when we are talking (if at all) to Pakistan. He defends talks with the Pakis and also third party mediation a per his above column. Congressis are doing this to get the votes of a section of our community, I wonder why is Mr. Sharma defending them?

By the way, nobody at HT is discussing the Burqa remark. Why? Is it too difficult or the secularists, freedom of expression defenders and human-right activists to come out and share their opinion.

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Anil Kumar

Me thinks Shashi Tharoor as usual is suffering from verbal diarrohoea. Nothign of the sort that his tweet seems to be suggesting is in offing.

Some people fall in lvoe with theior own voice and hence they must keep on blabbering , Tharoro sir falls in this category.

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Rajeev Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 am
Anil,
I don’t agree with you. It was well thought out statement with full backing from Manmohan Singh. I have a feeling that MMS has become arrogant after his N-Deal success and is taking foreign policy decision without consulting his own party including Sonia Mata. Sonia Mata is not very interested in external affairs (except for Italy). She is having veto power over internal matters mostly populist measures like NREGA (Naa Rahega – Aam Admi).

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vijay kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Rajeev,

I get the feeling that we Indians have been fooled by Tharoor. We thought he was the whiz kid with connections in the UN and would be useful in times of trouble.

But now Tharoor ends up becoming the trouble. He seems to be out of synch with Indian realities and policy positions. Great he uses Twitter. But in the end he seems to be fond of his own voice a bit too much,,,,

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Nikhil Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
It’s better if Shashi begins to get his tweets approved from high command before sending them out to his followers. His tweet gaffes followed by Congressi cover ups is getting tad old.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Hello Vijay ji and Nikhil ji
Indeed , there is something exraordinary in Shahshi throor, who has not only befooled the people of the country but also the Congress party. The way he has been accepted in the party and then made a minister immediately after the elections speaks either the smartness of Mr. Tharoor or the ‘naivity’ of the congress party. This is specially so if we go through his novel “The Great Indian Novel” wherein he wrote a thinly veiled history of the country which starises by comparing Congress party with Kauravs and portrays Pt. Nehru as the Dhritrashra and shows Indira Gandhi as Priya Duryodhini ,daughter of Dhristrashtra (Nehru) and leader of the Kauravas(Congress). Twenty years after the novel is published, the author of the novel joins the Kauravas party ( congress) and becomes a minister.
It hardly mattered what Mr.Throor thought of congress but it is difficult to understand what the congress thought of him and still made him a minister. It is difficult to believe that none of the congressmen had read this novel before he was appointed the minister. (These facts were also published in HT itself some times back).
BNA
BNA
Nikhil

Vinod,

I applaud India’s move in openly warming up ties with Saudi Arabia. Manmohan has given us demonstration of some hard nosed diplomacy; we will need more for him in the coming months. This move has surprised some Pakistani policymakers and shaken up the Pakistani media in particular. On terrorism, we may not see immediate favorable results but it definately opens a window of opportunity to buttress India’s position in Afghanistan and Kashmir. Not to forget we’ll get access to more Saudi oil and easy exchange of people.

Shashi Tharoor’s statement was misinterpreted and blown out of proportion in the digital media but, don’t they do it often? I’d refrain myself from writing my views on the lack of sagacity in the Indian media that is on full display, every day.

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rajiv

No I dont find anything wrong in Manmohan speaking the plain truth to Saudis, about their illegitimate/adopted deviant son, Pakistan’s, activities in S Asia.

I would urge India to be more blunt and forth right in its characterization of Pakistan in diplomatic dialogue with every nation.

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arindam

Hi all,

Nice comments coming in.See I agree KSA may not have favoured India in any International forum partly due to our enmity with Pakistan and relative friendliness with Iran.
I also agree that India doesn’t have the kind of influence on KSA that US.A or even Pakistan has but who’s stopping us from building bridges?May be the efforts to befriend KSA over a few years might swing them in our favour in the international forums.For that to happen we have to make them feel they are very importnat for us and we are also indispensible for them
The point is somewhere we have to start

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Praveen Saxena

Whereas there in nothing wrong in attempting to mount influence on Pakistan thru Saudi Arabia , whether it works or not but what is more important is to know what has been offered to Saudi Arabia by India or rather what has Saudi Arabia asked for from India in return. Leaders are also known to offer deals which are officially not disclosed and it is much later that the price paid comes out in the public domain.

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vijay kumar

Nikhil,

The problem with Saudis is pretty tangled. On one hand they need to tell their own people that you guys do not need democracy, your job is to spread Whabbism. On the other hand they too are becoming the targets of fundamantalism aka Al Qaeeda and Taliban. The current younger generation of rulers there however may be more liberal.

But the basic issue is lack of democracy in many Muslim majority countries where militant Islam has been exported. Like Pakistan, where again the populace was largely brainwashed and told that “Guys you do not require freedom and democracy… you need the army and need to fight India.”

Turkey where I lived and travelled extensively become modern and moderate solely because it changed from an Arabic script to an English script, so nobody could access fundamantalist jargon.

Maybe, and with our soft power, we probably can, build up our own image as a liberal deomocracy which can act decisively against terrorists. That can be our USP and our shield against terror.

However, that remains difficult to imagine since we are not evern able to hang Afzal Guru.

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Nikhil Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 3:18 am
Vijay Kumar,

I agree with most of what you’ve written. The fact that only Turkey could manage to be a progressive state shows the rot in the Muslim majority countries. I believe a benign dictator can steer the direction towards modernity more easily than that by using liberal democracy. If the Saudi Royal family can play the role similar to that of Ataturk in Turkey, KSA has a bright future. But, no matter who sits in Riyadh, improving ties with our strong regional neighbors is inevitable.

The challenges are many though. First, Pakistan is not going to take this change in Indo-KSA relations lying down. Second, our internal fight against terrorism will always be shackled by political compulsions, media-mafia and pay-us-to-protest human rights groups. That’s the price we’ve to pay in our democracy. Let’s hope that the Saudis find our model of development attractive and worth emulating.

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http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

Ishwar ji,
Why in the name of God (Ishwar) do you always misread my blog. Where have I supported third party? Will you please underscore the passage to buttress your point?

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ishwar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Dear Mr. Sharma,

Oxford Advanced Learner’s Dictionary says the word “interlocutor” lends itself to two meaning: 1) a person taking part in a conversation with you and 2) a person or an organization that talks to another person or organization on behalf of somebody else.

If you care to visit http://www.synonyms.net, you would find:
Synonyms, Thesaurus & Antonyms of ‘interlocutor’

1. (noun) interlocutor, middleman
the performer in the middle of a minstrel line who engages the others in talk
Synonyms: conversational partner, middleman, contact, wholesaler, jobber, interlocutor

You choose to refer to the dictionary of your choice and so do I. Therefore, Mr. Tharoor did suggest a middleman’s role for Saudi Arabia in Indo-Pak talks. I hope it makes sense now.

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vinod sharma Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Histrorically, India never used the word interlucutor for third party. Our preferred and consistent expression was “no third party mediat ion.”
Also, pl read what you are yourself citing. The synonym for interluctor is also conversational partner. You must trust Tharoor when he says his usage was for that meaning.

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ishwar Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Dear Mr. Sharma,

I am glad that you are responding to the posts of your readers. Not many bloggers prefer to do that. Having said that, I don’t think Mr. Tharoor (or India) needs to use the Saudi’s influence over Pakistan to tell it what it should do. What about the means suggested by one of your colleagues Mr. Sanghvi in one of his blogs titled “Take the battle into the enemy’s camp”. Anyways, as per Pakistan, all the attacks on Indian soild are carried out by non-state actors on which they have absolutely no control. So, why not let India handle them better. Following that article, I have somehow started liking him, and I hope there would be a blog from you as well some day which would make me say – “I’d like to touch your feet”. I have said so in response to Mr. Sanghvi’s another blog titled “Portraits of the artist as a Qatari citizen”.
http://www.hindustantimes.com vinod sharma

Ishwar ji,
Why in the name of God (Ishwar) do you always misread my blog. Where have I supported third party? Will you please underscore the relevant passage to buttress your point?

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Akhilesh Reply:
March 3rd, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Dear Vinod Ji,
No response to what I have said about Saudi Arabia? Is it because you agree with my thesis on SA and Wahabism but cannot to do so publicly for that would undermine your peacenick credentials !

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vinod sharma Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Dear Akhilesh,
I’d refrain from hazarding a guess whether KSA will change its spots. But I am encouraged by their decision to engage with us in the prevailing backdrop of terror threats to their own self from the Al Qaeda (in Yemen) and its allies in Pakistan and Afghanistan (LeT and the Taliban).
I am pleasantly surprised that they signed an extradition treaty with us and did not object to a former J and K Chief Minister doring to on our behalf. We’ll have to see how this action of their plays out in the OIC — a forum Pak always used to highlight their Kashmir campaign.

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vinod sharma Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Akhilesh,
By the way, Aamir Raza Hussain is gifted man who’s also a BJP favourite.

Ryan Paul Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:12 am
In Saudi Arabia, any expats have only two identities namely kafirs ( Have brown colored Residence Permits popularly known as Iqamas) or Believers ( Have green colored Iqamas). Pakistanis are given the Most Favored Nation statuses and are given preference over in senior posts esplly Govt. ones. Even the King’s personal security Guards are from Pakistan . On every National or International Forum, Saudi Arabia has openly sided with Pakistan over India and would continue to do so till the day when whole of India becomes Islamic. The Govt has an iron grip over its populace and nothing moves not even a leaf without the due approval of the King and his close family members. So the idea that Wahabi doctrine is being propagated by the private Charities and not the Saudi Govt. is laughable at best. The royal family spends lavishly to fund Organizations involved in spreading Wahabi type of Islam all over. I had friends in KSA who once shared with me documents that showed the Budget allocation for these activities which were country specific country and had tight monitoring mechanism. Don’t forget 11 out of the 16 terrorists involved in the 11/9 terrorist attack in US came from Saudi Arabia. And again Saudi Arabia was the prime supporter of Taliban in Afghanistan till US stepped in. India would be embarking on a suicide mission if it involves Saudi Arabia to intervene between India and Pakistan to resolve their bilateral issues. Saudis hate Hindu India from the core of their heart. For that matter they hate every Non believer and vainly hope for the day when the last inhabitant of this planet would convert to Islam. Even miniscule incidents involving Indian Muslims are blown out of proportion in the local media and there is a general feeling over there that Hindu India is out to crush them. Kashmir is a hotly debated issue over there and touches a raw nerve of every individual Saudi. Money is openly collected ( every shop has a box to collect coins and Saudi Riyals) for the Kashmiri Jihadis. By inviting Saudis to meditate, India would be opening a pandora box. India is still smarting under the UN Resolution initiated by Nehru on the Kashmir issue and now inviting Saudi Arabia would be nothing less then committing a Hara-kiri.

Shah Alam Khan Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:29 am
@Ryan:
Probably you got me all wrong. I never said that Wahabism is promoted by Charities and not by the Saudi govt. It is surely propogated by the government and that is precisely against what we need to stand gaurd vis a vis esoteric Islam of the subcontinent. You also need to get your facts correct on the Iqama business. What you have written was happening a few months back. Since last one year or so Indian professionals are allowed to keep their passports with them, something which was unthinkable a few years back. You are absolutely wrong when you say that Saudis respect (although you didn’t use that term) Pakis more than Indians. Indian doctors in Saudi Arabia are the most sort after. My friends (majority of whom are Hindus) tell me that a Saudi Sheikh takes pride in mentioning that his doctor is a “Hindi”. In fact a large number of International patients in hospitals in Pune, Mumbai and Chennai are Sheikhs form KSA. Cant say the same for a big Pakistani hospital say teh Agha Khan in Karachi or Shaukat Khanum in Lahore. The only “race “which Saudis love, respect, adore are the White Westerners. You can do anything if you have a British or an American passport, irrespective of your religion. This is in fact true for the whole Gulf region. I won’t be wrong to conclude that they are at present very cautious of Pakistanis as their closeness with them upsets their (Saudi) equation with the White West.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
New Dlehi

Usman Chaudhry Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 11:08 am
i agree with your ending views Dr Khan.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 4th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Dear Vinod sharma ji
That is a very interesting observation. Yes, Mr. Ghulam Nabi Azad was a member of PM’s delegation but I did not know that he also signed any agreement on behalf of the govt. So that is a positive step. After all, at least the Saudis now consider him as an Indian citizen. It is unlike Chinese, who continue to staple visas to the passports for the people of Jand K and Arunachal Pradesh visiting China. It is also surprising that Pakistan has also not reacted to this event. What do you expect to happen at any next OIC meeting?
Regards
BNA

Nikhil Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 3:32 am
Vinod,

I always wondered how is it we’re not part of the OIC when we’ve more Muslims than other members who are part of the forum? Not that I miss being part of that group but I was just curious.

vinod sharma Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Dear Nikhil,
We were invited to the OIC by the Saudis after the Al Aqsa mosque incident in the 1960s perhaps. But Pakistan blocked our entry on the ground that a country in dispute with an Islamic country could not be allowed into the OIC.
This is my quick recollection. Shall like to be excused for some minor factual error.

Usman Chaudhry Reply:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
At the state level muslims should represent more (in percentage) than any other religious followers in the country. India has 13-15% of its muslim representation compared to the majority (80+%) Hindus. Strange that the largest minority is more in count then most of the majority muslim countries.
rajiv

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Kabul attack..
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Afghan intelligence, after their investigation, have confirmed that Pak LeT was behind the brutal attack on Indian guest houses in Kabul.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/03-Mar-2010/Pakistani-group-behind-Kabul-attacks-official

Unfortunately , Indian government and media, are not giving much importance to this attack.
What a shame.

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http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

Dear Vinodji,
I would agree with what you have written but would like to contest some facts which have been enumerated by other readers of this blog. First and foremost it is utmost stupidity to imagine that KSA would consider Pakistan a better choice over India (on a broad global perspective). As far as helping the Pakistan through he Muslim brotherhood vein goes they will keep doing this but will this brotherhood spill into economic and regional alliance? I have my sincere doubts. Saudis know who would be a better partner to sleep with in the long run. To further elaborate my point above, I must let your readers know that the rules for Indian expats are different than those for Pakistani expats in KSA. In recent past Indian expats have been given far more concessions than what their equivalent Pakistani workers can even imagine.
Yes it is true that Wahabism is a real threat to India in the context of today’s world but I am confident that the esoteric Islam of the subcontinent is too strong a force to be driven by a handful of wahabis. Some readers on your blog have mentioned that a large number of Indian madarsas are run on Saudi money. This is absolutely correct but what they have further imagined is that these madarsas preach Wahabi Islam is all together a false impression. Having said this I have no doubt that a through revamp of these Islamic schools on a modern and scientific basis is the need of the hour.
Signing of the extradition treaty with KSA is a step which can only be welcomed. We all know that there are very few countries with which we have an extradition treaty. Signing this treaty with a country which is hot bed for potential trouble makers will help India in the long run.
As for my views on Amir Raza Hussain, his real “dis-service”to India is the staging of Ramayan in his own way and imagination. I haven’t been through more mental torture than sleeping through that play in the late nineties. His beating up of journalists, spat with Kavita Nagpal (of your paper) and with Bandra residents is more than enough reflection of his state of mind.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi
Read my blog: http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

[Reply]
Rajiv

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The stalemate :
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The talks with Pak, have basically reached a stalemate.

What Pakistan has failed to get in war and terrorism, it somehow expects to get in talks. Pakistan has lost 1/2 its country and more over its fixation on Kashmir , but it still craves for it , while its losing control over whatever is left after 1971 war. Not just individuals, but countries too van be fools. India’s misfortune is that the foll lives next door.

India ofcourse wont give to Pak in talks what Pak failed to get in war and terrorism. The stalemate is real and needs to be openly acknowledged by India. There in lies the futility of expecting any solution to Indo-Pak issues in bilateral talks. There was a window of opportunity when the talks were held with the Pak military under Musharraf. The politicians report to army/ISI and get their brief from the army. Its a wastage of time for India to engage Pak politician as long as they report to the army. In such a scenario, any positive outcome can only come from direct talks with the army leadership, however demented or venal they may be, because only they can deliver the Pak side of the bargain.

Pakistan politically can never agree to India’s terms in bilateral talks, without looking as if it has surrendered, because of the propoganda that it has fed its juvenile civil society and public.

However if USA and EU is involved and some economic concessions are given to Pak, it may give Pakistan the political cover it needs to agree to a solution around the current status quo in Kashmir, just as Israel-Egypt truce needed USA to provide the political cover.

India’s reluctance to openly involve USA in resolving this with Pak is now working against India’s interests because Pak badly needs the blessings of USA, EU, China etc to sell this to its public .

This is not 1949 and India should not be wary of involving third party as long as clear and articulate in its positions.

[Reply]
Ziauddin Shafi

Being more friendly with Pakistan notwithstanding, the mere fact that our PM was received by 3 biggies of the Royal Family (except the King himself) at the Airport on arrival, alongwith the whole cabinet, defence chiefs etc, points to the importance with which the Saudis view India and Indians. PM Singh is the first Asian leader to address the Soura Council (poor saudi counterpart of a house of lords). And down on the ground, Indians definitely enjoy more respect of the populace, notwithstanding all the talk of brotherhood that the Saudis have with Pakistan – of course the **** forces are there and **** military experts counsel the Saudi forces them on the Yemeni border. But our relationship with the Saudis is on a totally different plain – it is more out of mututal neccessity and business considerations, rather than being based on altruistic or abstract notions.

[Reply]
Gopi Thomas

Saudi Arabia is a country????

Give me a break!

[Reply]
vijay kumar Reply:
March 8th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
The ultimate solution will only happen when we stop talking about supermacy of one religion as a goal and about the clash of civilizations.

George Bush wanted to convert iraqis to Christianity and Osama asked Bush to convert to Islam. Theirin lies the reason of war and the solution.

We really need to end the mental hangup of trying to convert people to our own religion but instead evolve a common civil law which ensures freedoms and gender equality.

Then the worst of religios people who kill in the name of religions will not be able to cause damage….

[Reply]
Rajiv

India is a country whose leaders dare not tell the truth about Pakistan.
Atleast public prosecutor Mr Nikam , in the Kasab case, has.

[Reply]
vijay kumar

Vinodji,

You have mentioned that Aamir Raza Hussain is gifted man who’s also a BJP favourite.
Now does that put some sort of label on him and prove that he is “not secular.”

By the way the Congress put forward Sajjan Kumar and Tytler for decades as their face in Delhi and Mrs Gandhi would routinely write to the Shahi Imam for support. Bhinranwale was also supposed to have Congress links. Do you think that proves Congress is secular and good? or otherwise….

C’mon, putting labels on people is an old story where a set of people would put an ISO stamp to say that this guy is secular and this guy is communal. We really have to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

[Reply]
Rajeev Reply:
March 10th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Bhaiyya,
Secularwaad ka theka le rakha hai Vinod type ke logon ne.

This country is destined to be ruined once again.

[Reply]
vijay kumar Reply:
March 14th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Sure ! Similarly when Mulayam Singh courts Mukhtar Ansari and other blatantly communal rioters, he would be called secular; when Arundhati Roy and Amar Singh shed crocodile tears for terrorists whi gunned down an upright police officer at Batla huse they would want the crown of king and queen of secularism, while the police officer would be conveninetly forgotten.

Ah ! What a farce in the name of secularism

[Reply]
Ryan Paul

Res. Dr. Shah Alam Khan Sahib,

I don’t know from where you got your facts but I have just come back from Saudi Arabia and did not meet any Indian who is now being allowed to keep his passport. Perhaps some Indians known to you and who are close to the Royal family may have been granted this privilege but a single sparrow doesn’t make a summer ! Also your statement that Indian Doctors are preferred to Pakistani is absolutely correct and this is not because Saudis have developed a sudden affinity to Indians but more so because of the high standard of Indian medical education system. Same is true for IT professionals . The point which I was trying to make was that given the choice and all things being equal, Saudis would always prefer Pakistanis over Indians. In the areas of specialized profession e.g. Medical, IT, etc, they are left with no choice whatsoever.

In the kingdom , Hindu Gods and Goddesses are openly made fun of and hate literature including videos are openly circulated as a means of enticing gullibles and converting them to Islam. Saudis have a very skewed opinion of Indians ( read Hindus) and under such circumstances how Saudi Arabia can bail out India from the Pakistani’s orchestrated terrorism is anybody’s guess. They too want Kashmir to be liberated from India at any cost and set up either as an independent Islamic state or integrated with Islamic Pakistan.

[Reply]
Ashish Reply:
March 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
I have several Muslim (Indian) friends who work as doctors in Riyadh. They have told me enough stories about how their Hindu colleagues are routinely mistreated. One particular story sticks to mind.. a Hindu colleague came and offered food to my friend and she of course ate it with relish. She was taken to task by her Saudi colleagues saying she should not have accepted food from a Kuffr.
Dr Shah Alam Khan can continue propagating fiction.. and Vindoji can continue to write about our shared interests with the house of Saud..

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Shah Alam Khan Reply:
March 16th, 2010 at 1:04 am
@Ashish
Thanks for the regular rhetoric. What I stated and continue to argue and stand by is that Indians do have more respect in KSA when you compare it to Pakistanis. I can say this with assertion and belief after my stay in the middle-east. It just reflects the professional dominance which the Indian professionals command in that part of the world. Having said this, I have no doubts on the nefarious intentions of the Saudis when it comes to Muslim brotherhood with countries like Pakistan. Although we can definitely see these signs changing as well. The American pressure on the Sauds is too strong for them to support Pakistan in the present day scenario. I hope this clears some “fictious” myths which Mr. Ashish might have gathered from my comments. For any further comments, please visit my blog.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

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Ashish Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 10:09 am
…What I stated and continue to argue and stand by is that Indians do have more respect in KSA when you compare it to Pakistanis.
Indians in general or Muslim Indians?
I stand by the story that was narrated to me by my friend, like you, a Muslim and a doctor, working in Riyadh. She tells me the conditions are considerably worse in other cities.

Shah Alam Khan Reply:
March 18th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
@Ashish
Surely Indians in general. Anyway you have all the right to stand by your friend’s story. In fact I agree that the treatment given to non Muslims in general in the KSA is by no means full of veneration. The whole point is that at the present moment, Saudis have limited choices in going with India or Pakistan. I won’t be wrong to say that the monarchy over there is even threatened by the jehadis and therefore we, Indians, should use this opportunity to forge alliances on whatever fronts we can. This is also what Mr. Vinod Sharma tried to state in his article. By the way there are very few countries with which we have an extradition treaty and to have one with KSA will be extremely productive in the long run.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

Shoeb K Reply:
March 13th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Saudis are ignorant racists. They may prefer Pakistanis over Indians; but they prefer the white man even more, although they are kuffurs.

Nobody can have pictures of their Gods or spiritual people in their homes, the “religious police” can inspect and arrest.No statues of Ganesh or picture of Jesus Christ etc..

Their text books are full of hatred for others.

The government is funding terrorism and spread of Wahabism. SIMI, NDF, and now PDF is funded by Saudis.

India should try other sources for oil and cut off relationship with this 8th century country.

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Shah Alam Khan Reply:
March 16th, 2010 at 1:12 am
Dear Mr. Paul,
I did not reply to your comments earlier as I was out of the country. Yes Sir you need to get the facts correct. Since last couple of months at least ten different Indian friends of mine (working as Doctors in Dammam and Khobbar) have received back their passports. If you know the region, they now visit Bahrain every weekend. As for the Kashmir and other issues of Islamic jehaidsm, you are absolutely right, the Saudis want a more “Islamised solution” t these. But their difficulty is the influence of the Americans who are a tough master to please. Saudis can lick their shoes even if this means aborting the jehadi agenda at least for the time being, and this my friend should be used by American allies like India to their advantage.
Truly,
Dr. Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

[Reply]
Ajay kohli

I concur with Ryan’s observations. As manpower suppliers to bigwigs in Saudi Arabia e.g. A H Al Zamil Group of Industries, Saudi Iron and Steel Company (Hadeed) , Tamimi Group, Mohammed Al Dossary Hospital etc. located in Al Khobar and Dammamm over since last few years, I am yet to hear any Indian being allowed to keep their Indian passport with them. And moreover it is just impossible for any Indian to keep visiting Bahrain repeatedly over the weekends as it would require multiple exit-reentry visas which is normally just not granted under normal circumstances to non-Saudis. Perhaps Dr. Alam is using the old and worn out technique of Taqiyya to befool people visiting this site. His use of language for Saudis betrays where his loyalty lies as it is the same dialect that is being used by Al Queda operatives to drive out Americans from the so called sacred soil of the kingdom. Anyways, this is all besides the point. The moot issue which Vinod has written in this blog and we all should be discussing here is whether approaching Saudi Arabia can help India in improving its ties with Pakistan ? The clear answer is a big NO as knowing the mentality of Saudis, they would never come to India’s rescue on this.

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http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

@Ajay Kohli:
Thanks Mr.Kohli for brandishing me as an unloyal, anti-nationalist. No problem…..I am used to this jargon owing to my religion. Anyway if you really want to know my credentials, I would like you to visit my blog at http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com
May be my write ups might throw some light on your accusive opinions about me….in case you believe in honest judgement of people…..
Truly,
Dr.Shah Alam Khan
AIIMS, New Delhi

[Reply]
Ajay Kohli

Dr Shah Alam,

I am sorry if I have hurt your feelings in any way as this was not at all my intention. The point I was trying to make is that one cannot generalize on the basis of few random facts. Further your statement that Saudis are prone to licking the boots of their American masters would not make them more amenable to come to India’s rescue. Surprisingly this ( Saudis being subservient to Americans) is the main grouse of Osama and it was in this context I had made that tongue-in cheek comment.

Cordially

Ajay

[Reply]
Anonymous

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[Reply]
Anonymous

Petrol mileage of 17+ Kmpl? what car are you talking about? There is another thing: whereas the reality is closer to the mileage claims of diesel car manufacturers, among petrol cars the gap between the claim and reality is unacceptably wide.

[Reply]
Amit

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted to hear. We cannot rely on knee-jerk reactions or constitutional changes. The change has to be more conclusive and should in turn transform majority of the individuals in society to look at women with respect. I hope this incident gives enough motivation to politicians to bring change what is needed and raise awareness amongst the people. My prayers to the victims.

[Reply]
Cary

Spot on !!
in addition to implementing severe penalty laws against rape, ramping up police presence etc we need to bring a bigger solution to this problem by educating the society for treating women well and respect. If we work on the root cause we can avoid such instances on the first place. It needs big social reform and everybody has to participate.

[Reply]
subhash

Eradicate vip culture and train police the art of policing .Quality meters .

[Reply]
Brown American

Respect and dignity of female gender starts to diminish at conception in India. A majority of Indians want Boys. Girls are more victims of feticide and infanticide. A Gender ratio of under 900 for every 1000 boys in most states, shows the bias and discrimination that is inbuilt in the Indian society. What happened to Yoga Businessman Baba Ramdev, Social Activist Anna Hazare, Spritual Leader of BJP/RSS Swami Nithyanada? what happened to RSS, VHP, Shiv Sena? Did they condemn this R ape?

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http://twitter.com/culture_curate Nilofar Ansher

Protest Marches, Outraged Placards and Online Petitions Addressing Rape Are Not Talking to the Men in Question – the Rapists. What exactly are these protest marches, placard holding and slogans for?
Why are we taking to the streets and talking about shaming society? Are
we hoping that this collective outrage will shame the serial rapists of
this world from committing the crime again? Do we think that our
protests will instill fear in the future rapist? A regular guy, who goes
about his work day, has a beer at night – or not – and while returning
home to his parents, or hostel, or to his slum, or to his buddies, sees a
girl – a teenage girl, or a middle aged woman, or an elderly lady, or a
small child – and suddenly he is overcome with the impulse to rape them. Does he even think of his act as a crime?

http://longformwriter.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/preaching-to-the-converted-protest-marches-outraged-placards-and-online-petitions-addressing-rape-are-not-talking-to-the-men-in-question-the-rapists/

[Reply]
Ramesh Kumar

I HAVE A QUERY TO CHETAN CHAUHAN,WHY THE MIND SET IN DELHI IS SO DIFFERENT WHEN COMPARED TO CALCUTTA?WHY DELHI HAS 10 TIMES MORE SUCH CRIMES-RAPES ( DELHI -600 PER MONTH TO 62 IN KOLKATTA)?
THERE IS A SAYING IF CRIME PAYS ,PEOPLE COMMIT CRIME.ON TOP OF IT ,WITH MONEY YOU CAN BUY EVERYTHING.CORRUPTION IS AT THE ROOT.
I REMEBER WHEN S.K.PATIL WAS REMOVED BY NEHRU UNDER ‘KAMRAJ PLAN’,AFTER REACHING BOMBAY,IN A PUBLIC RALLY,HE MADE A STATEMENT,”PEOPLE TALK OF CORRUPTION ,WHAT CORRUPTION,IF YOU WANT TO SEE CORRUPTION ,COME TO DELHI.”
HE WAS TAKEN BACK IN CABINET BY NEHRU.
KOLKATTA DOESNOT WAIT FOR POLICE,PUBLIC CARRY OUT JUSTICE.
PEOPLE WANT JUSTICE.THIS IS WHAT OUR KIDS ARE SHOUTING AT INDIA GATE.BUT UNFORTUNATELY OUR PATHETIC PRIME MINISTER HAS GONE TO HIS HOME TOWN IN ASSAM ,I GUESS.
WE GIVE JUSTICE TO TWO ITALIAN MARINES ,WHO SHOT DEAD OUR TWO COUNTRYMEN IN COLD BLOOD TO GO TO ITALY AND CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS AND NEVER COME BACK.
IS THIS CONSIDERATION EVER EXTENDED TO INDIANS MR.SALMAN KHURSHID?

[Reply]
Online Restaurants

This type of vulgarity not in dress but it is set in mind.

[Reply]
QBeee

Its Christmas Eve…what would a Delhi girl ask Santa this Christmas…

http://shaivikafunda.blogspot.in/2012/12/letter-to-santa-from-delhi-girl.html

[Reply]
P Agrawal

What can be expected from politicians when almost one-third of themselves have criminal record. One just have to read the statements given by various politicians of broad spectrum to see through their chauvinistic mind-set. Politicians and police who do not help or register cases against molestations and rape should also be tried for the same crime as the accused. All politicians with criminal record should be asked to resign and those with cases against them should be suspended until the cases are heard and settled. Police personnel should be tried for lapses and charged as criminals.

[Reply]
Sonali Reply:
December 30th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Justice
I dont understand why the India Goverment waited such a long time to take an action against such crimes. Police are also to be blamed for their ignorances when thousands of reports made against various cases, they are suppose to safe guard the public especialy women but they did not take any actions to all the reported cases and this incident will be a good lesson to all the Police Dept & Politicians in India. If only the actions was taken earlier, this poor girl will not been a victim today……..By hanging the 6 evils is not a great punishment, they should be tortured before the final punishment……India Govenrment & Police Depts,forget about earing assets than concentrating in human life. You should be embarrased of all the violences happening in your own country and yet you people can’t find a solutions to all the crimes…….May the God Save India…

[Reply]
Facebook

Indians still continuing the animal culture. Delhi gangrape is the best example of that. Tom USA

[Reply]
Hima Bindu

hatsoff girl for ur courage battle..may ur soul rest in peace..

but we know until those country brutes (who tortured u and killed) hanged
till the death u will not have peace. Un jaanvaro ko utna hi torture karna jitna
unhone is ladki ko diye the..they should know the pain, they should pay for what
they did to the girl..Not only those ******** but for all whoever rape a lady or
a girl should be sentenced to death.This is the ONLY solution. Until this law
introduces in our Indian Judiciary there will be no end for the rapes. And I
urge u Police of all the parts of our country please accept the complaints of
girls no matter they are of eve-teasing, raging or rapes please responed and
show quick action on that.But we all Indians demand u to kill those six ********
in public torture them by any means but should know the pain in the same way
what they gave to her, No matter there is a minor in the group,even if he is the
minor y that sick fellow did this,he is no more a minor he is very matured so he
have friends like that street dogs, i mean the remaining fellows, they are more
than the wild animals by just covering themselves with human face. HANG THOSE
SIX PHSYCO’s IMMIDIATELY.

[Reply]
Dr.Yogesh Sharma

1.
The cases in which the victim dies or
get serious injury, in such cases the rapist/rapists should be given Capital
Punishment. The victim must be given a suitable government job and Rs. 20 lakhs
as compensation.

2.
The cases where the rape is committed
in a forced, ruthless and violent manner but the victim does not die nor gets
serious injuries, the rapist/rapists should be given life imprisonment and
chemically the rapist should be castrated. He must be fined according to his
financial status but not less than Rs.10 lakhs. The victim must be given
government job and Rs. 10 lakhs as compensation.

3.
In other rape cases where blackmailing,
threat, allurement, false promises etc., methodology has been used the rapist
should be awarded at least 10 years imprisonment. The victim should be given
government job and 5 lakhs as compensation.

4.
Charge sheet must be filed within 7
days. If the concern officer fails to adhere to the time limit, he should be
dismissed from the job. Zero tolerance must be there.

5.
Only women police officers should
investigate rape cases.

6.
Hearing of the rape, molestation, acid
throwing cases must be held on the day to day basis.

7.
District and Session level judge must
decide the case within 3 months. If the judge fails to decide the case within
the given period, he must be dismissed from the job.

8.
High Courts and Supreme Courts Judges
also must be given only 3 moths jointly to deliver the judgment. If they fail
to deliver the judgment within the stipulated time they should also do not be
given any promotion, increments or any other consequential benefits.

9.
If at any level any lawyer/legal expert
is found guilty of using delaying/prolonging tactics, his license/registration
should immediately be terminated and a fine of Rs.5 lakhs must be imposed.

10.
If police gets concrete/solid evidence
like CCTV footage, witnessed by responsible citizen such as Class I & II
Officer, Gazetted Officer, Army/Air Force/Navy Officers, Doctor, Professor, Scientists,
Professionals of some reputed groups such as Tata, Birla, Ambani, Hinduja,
Caterpillar, Facebook, Twitter, etc., of eve teasing, molestation or harassment
the criminal must be publicly flogged and be paraded with face blackened. In
such cases the criminal must be given 3 years imprisonment and at least 1 lakh
fine after summary trial.

11.
If any person throws acid or harm
physically on any girl it should also be treated at par with rape and in the
same manner the criminal must be punished and the victim must be given a
government job with 10 lakh compensation.

12.
If any crime is committed against women
such as rape, eve teasing, molestation, acid throwing and the concern police
officer fail to identify and arrest the culprit, the police officer must be
dismissed from the job.

13.
Police and judicial reforms should be
done as early as possible.

14. Justice department must have
an all abiding calendar on the pattern of academic/university calendar.

15. As teachers/universities finish all the work within the
date of academic/university calendar, similarly judiciary must stick to judicial
calendar.

16. Meritorious students should be appointed as judicial
magistrates from the reputed law colleges through campus selection for speedy
trials.

17. As there is rampant absenteeism, corruption problem
among judges and court staff, so to check absenteeism of judges and court staff,
Bio-Metric machines should be installed to check their attendance/presence.

18. CCTV Cameras should be installed to monitor the
workings of judges, lawyers, and court staff and to check corruption.

19. AS most of the judges and lawyers are academically very
poor so in promotions their performance, merit, academic excellence, research
work and published work should be checked to promote excellence as it is done
in the promotion of University and College teachers.

20. Academically poor judges, corrupt judges should be
dismissed from the job after summary trial as the practice is in the Army.

[Reply]
nida

Why doesn’t d nation boycott d Republic Day
celebrations in totality? Ensure a “NO SHOW”. Thy don’t wnt d citizens
gathering evn for a peaceful protest, so why shud crowds gather to hear
thm at their convenience?
Let us be absent wen it matters most. Let d world get a taste of our disgust. Let us shame thm by playing their game.
if u agree then pls share and spread the word…

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