India-Pakistan Lafadaa (IPL) series

we didn’t miss pakistani players in second edition of ipl in south africa, so how will we miss them now? they are routed by australia in australia(so much so the champion team).
and tell me frankly mr. sharma ,if some terrorist attcack happens in india in next two months will they come to play here? and what about the franchises who would bought pakistan players,will you take the responsbility of losses of them(gave me a gurantee of it and i will surely light a candle in wagah border),its look good to all this aman ki asha ,but just need one terroror attack and all the bhai chara will go kapoot.
ones great cricket writer c.l.r. james said that”what they do know about cricket who only cricket know”
same thing goes for u.
just read harsha bhogle article on it and u will know,no one writes better than him on cricket in india,he is peter reobek of india.
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/445330.html

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Dear Vinodji,

you wrote such an incisive blog on Chidambram, but how is it that you go wrong when it comes to Pakistan???

Ask yourself!

I feel that the IPL auction was insulting to the Pakistani players. But the fact is they should still do not deserve to be here and may get a very hostile reception in India. IPL and the Indian government should have made this clear to the players unofficially.

Sad is’nt it? After all Pakistan has some good T20 players like Afridi and Razzaq.

But…

let us not be too apologetic.

During the first IPL, while Sohail Tanvir was shining for Rajasthan Royals, another set of Pakistani players, the LeT , was bent on destroying Jaipur through bombs. Did Rehman malik come on the roads crying for the people of Jaipur?

The last IPL had to be shifted to South Africa, again because of Pakistani sposnoring of terror in Mumbai. So in the end, Pakistan had been un apologetic of attacking the IPL as well as India. yet it displaus an exaggerated sense of hurt.

C’mon, my grandparents were also from Pakistani Punjab and I know that our community can do a big drama of being hurt! Vinodji you know that area well and know what drama baazi is…

At the end of it, while India and IPL had no business to hurt the feelings of the Pakistani players, Pakistan should really examine, why nobody in the world, now welcomes them, except the Taliban.

The IPL is of course a money making enterprise, but it does entertain, unlike Taliban, jehadis, Pakistan’s sham leaders, who too are into moneymaking and DO NOT ENTERTAIN AT ALL

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@Vinod saab,
I agree with your following observation.

“Their concerns were valid. But they could’ve saved the T-20 champs the humiliation and India the resultant embarrassment by stating them upfront at the very outset. The Pakistan Cricket Board would’ve understood if told that the political and security climate in India wasn’t conducive for its players joining the League this season.”

IPL was not transparent and Mr Modi must take all the blame – and no one else.

Regarding SRK of Calcutta KKR, I have serious doubts.
He gave an scandalous interview with gutter talk like ‘we blame them, they blame us’ — the same gutter talk that seeks to erase the mountain of difference between the nature and character of India and Pakistan. The right response should have been that India is not like Pakistan. Thats why we should welcome them.

Instead, SRK , went on to say ‘ My parents came from Pakistan etc.’.
What nonsense is that ? Where exactly do his loyalties lie if his decision is influenced by where his parents came from ??

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SRK and all other owners kept quiet initially. It was only after public criticism in India that they did find spine to talk.

Why did not SRK pick Pak players in the 1st place and call Modi’s bluff ? Thats the question that should be asked of SRK.

I can deal with a coward SRK but not a deceitful, duplicitios one.

My parents too came from Pakistan. What does that have to do with how India reacts to Pak state criminality today ? Ofcourse it doesn’t.
When SRK talks about , ‘My parents came from Pak’ , ‘We blame them , they blame us’ meaningless talk, its his religious allegience, that is trumpeting all other allegience.

Guys like SRK , are a curse on millions of patriotic Indian muslims.

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Pakis got what they deserve from IPL. IPL is an Indian tournament and we have a right to choose who we want to select. Obvivously we don’t need Pakis and their establishment.. We don’t want to see **** faces in India and in Indian tournament. They can start their own league and play with their terorist teams in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Shame on them ; they do not have self respect and dignity. They are crying and begging like little kids to participate in what is purely an Indian tournament. IPL is our pride and our tournament and we don’t like Pakis to participate in it.

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Seriously Pakistani TV d=today resembles Tablighi jamaat and these individual generously donate to JUD . For them a charity organization for us aterorrist organization and parent body of LET.. NOw why should you fund our own bleeding through this channel.. We shouldtry our level best not to provide these donators of JUD with indian money..

This was well though out step.. anyway this is our domestic tournament and we are nto entititled to pick eveyrone that is put on sale.. Even ponting was spurned nobody heard australia have been humiliated noise kind of nonsense..

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Vinod,

You are putting lot of burden on the IPL, the cricketers or the artists by expecting them to shoulder India’s foreign policy towards Pakistan. If the rich owners of IPL do not want to take business risk by acquiring Pak players for IPL3; so be it. The pouring of emotions of national humiliation of Pak or the claim of stepping down from moral pedestal for India is a joke.

Mr. SRK should have hired Pak players for KKR in the auction if he so wished instead of passing hollow comments after the fact. It was his attempt not to antagonize Pakistani spectators who also watch his movies and are a source of his income from movies. Cost-benefit analysis at play? In IPL3, if the Pak players are hired but not put on the field, I suspect, the Pak lobby in India will again cry foul of discrimination.

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this vinod sharma always talks about moral pedestal of india which his way of making concessions to pakistan which kill’s indian people.
this guy and his media buddies confuse kababs and scoth with indian security and foreign policy like khushwant singh who was charmed with scotch and an ego-lift by zia showing him to the door,this guy will be swayed by kababs and shayari.
this is the foreign policy expertise of these guys.
what moral pedestal sharma ji. first stop corruption and bring all the money back from swiss banks like the rich usa is doing.as long as the secular gandg keeps feeding itself of one of the poorest country,there is morality except evil to talk about .india has the most poor in the world.
and u r baiscally saying india should have its citizens killed without security to be moral.
your idea of morality is the abdication of the fundamnetal right to security and defence.wow.

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tricolor not hoisted in kashmir because it will provoke?
is sharmaji ashamed? no sharma’s sharam is about ipl not being invited.

omar abdulah recieved an indian of year award from secular media last year and thse secular mafia were raving about his speech muslim and indian last year.ofcourse when varun said the same thing they were screaming 24-7 just for votebank before elections to help congress bosses.
and the shameless mafia has underplayed hidden this news by minimal coverage just to show,hey we covered it .yeah scream about varun and rave about omar.i am ashamed that theere is such disgusting mafia disguised as media in india.
now the so moral sharma will censor this comment from his customers of sponsors who give him business and then give lecture to the whole india about moral pedestal with respect to pakistan
long live king sharma and his lectures to the whole country about so called morals defined subjectively by him

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ab Shahrukh Khan jaise Bhaand India ki foreign policy chalayenge…
Wah ye hai mera India…

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Sharmaji,

You have acknowledged that Pakistan does not welcome Indian performing artistes. And Abhijeet and Jagjit Singh, two of our most talented singers have said that visas should be given on basis of reciprocity.

Then should we come on to the roads like Rehman Malik did? Cannot we say that our foreign policy is being kept hostage by dullheads of Pakistan.

By the way, the Pakistani hero of our seventy year old aunties, Shri Imran Khan has made very communal and racist comments in a TV interview. I am just giving a link to Nadeem Paracha’s blog in the Dawn. — /blog.dawn.com/2010/01/28/the-froth-of-khan/

I hope we can understand the mentality which prevails in Pakistan today. THen only can we make reasonable policy, and not keep trying to buy peace by condoning their murderous brigands.

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I think most of the media men, commentators and analysist have been successfull in creating mountain from a mole hill. So much of ‘hai tauba’ over non inclusion of pakistani players is some thing very amusing.
Now seeing peoples involvement in this topic, PC and SRK too have jumped in this band wagon to ensure that they sound politically correct after taking politically wrong decisions.
Who stopped PC from announcing complete security for Pakistani players and the match venues if he feels so strongly about them? No one but his hurt ego from last years royal snub.
What stopped SRK from taking a Pakistani bowler over Shane Bond? No one, but his business decision. With his next movie ‘MNIK’ about to release, his business decision stands in contradiction with the theme of his movie hence he had to come out with his statement.
It is high time, commentators like Vinod Sharma rather than trying to create public opinion and playing to the gallery should be telling the truth.

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Dear Mr Vinod Sharma

I think we should be wary of anything which is even remotely Modi . Even if the subject is Lalit Modi and the IPL or whatever , no article by a secularist can be written unless there is a word for Narendra Modi and the so called Gujarat Progrom . The country wide 1984 Anti Sikh Riots need not be remembered as that was engineered by a friendly secular party.

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Guys, this in my opinion was a well balanced blog post by Mr Vinod Sharma. We should not confuse this with other blog posts , with which you may or may not agree.

Once Govt of India, had no objection to Pak players participating in IPL, Mr Modi should not have tried to influence auction in a non transparent manner.

If for security reasons, IPL did not want Pak players, then they should have articulated it publicly.
We would like to hold GOI for its foreign policy , not Narendra Modi.

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Finally, we have mirch-masla agenda on our hands. With I-P-Lafdaa warming up after aman ki aasha it is little disappointing to see the way the whole scenario went. Let that be fair on India’s call as it is their ownership and rightly so not to go for Pakistanis but channels like these should be open for reasons to bridge differences. Nevertheless it was disappointing. Earlier Pak making excuse for IPL 2 and this time its the owners call.

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The problem with Indians is that we are speaking in TOO many voices about pakistan. We always dealt with pakistan in ad-hoc approach based on public mood which can be from ‘anger’ to ‘Chalta hai’.
The need of the hour is that hawks, moderates and peaceniks need to sit together and find out how to deal with pakistan in all areas starting from ‘War’ to ‘Jhappi and Pappi’. We should come to some kind of consensus on how we will deal with pakistan in the field of Ghazal, Cricket and other cultural affairs if it carries out another 26/11. We were never confused about our approach towards South Africa when it practiced apparthied.
The hawks/moderates simply can not ignore peacniks like Mr.Sharma because no matter what happens to India or its citizens, India’s foreign policy is always dictated by peaceniks in the end (including those who are in Right wing parties).

So my questions are-
1. If pakistan kill 200 Indians in blasts, should we host them in IPL and continue our cultural exchanges?

2. If pakistan kills 50 journalists, should we host them in IPL and continue our cultural exchanges?

3. If pakistan kills 20 MPs, should we host them in IPL and continue our cultural exchanges?

4. If pakistan kill 10 minister, should we host them in IPL and continue our cultural exchanges?

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What pisses me off is the arrogance of media minions.. they always think they know the best and every rank and file should bow to their whiscal call for hostility and friendship..

Whenevr they fele like they start campainging that India should do surgical strike.. then they visist pakistan get to savour soem Nihari and Biryani and decide oke now is the time to play freindship game..

I say these journalists lay off we are not dumb people and you are not sharpest knife in kitcjen cabinet either.

there should be consistent policy which is no to any foray which might enrish pakistan at India’s expense . I see Pakistani players inclusison iN IPL as one fo those where Pakistani gain and we lose.. Why shoudl our money be going into funding of JUD which they go if we pay these cricketers handsomely..
MInd you JUD may be a terrorist orgnization for us but for them it’s charity organization..
if I had my way i would break off cricketing ties but fair enough if you have decided to have cricketing ties go ahead but there is no compulsion to allow them in our domestic tournament..
peace

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Although I am happy that Pakistani players are not palying in IPL, I agree with Vinodji on the front that exclusion of Pakistani players could have been handled in a much more civilised and matured fashion. IPL owners should have guts to say NO to Pakistani players upfront rather than acting timid.

I also feel Lalit Modi is a devious character and his actions are all to serve his own selfish interest alone. Indians rejoicing on Lalit Modi’s conduct must not forget tha Indians just co-incidently happen to be on advantageous side of his deed this time. If a situation arises where he has a way to meet his selfish goals at the expense of country’s interest he would not care two hoots for India or Indian people.

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Who cares about Pakis. They are a nation with negative outlook. The only reason they come into news is because they have a deadly combination of Jihadis(Army and Terrorists) and Nukes. Its a pathetic nation made up of losers. One should just ignore them.

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What a deluge of emotions!!

Moot point is that Lalit Modi was irresponsible, and no one seems to be able to take him to task for it.

Any cultured person would have been sensitive to the outcome, and saved face for everybody

Did the PCB snub Lalit Modi sometime in the past when he was relatively low profile? Or was his indiscretion fuelled by a sense of invincibility, or possibily the result of a dare by someone? Or do we just put it down to some facet of his personality?

Unfortunately, as a country, we do not hold anyone accountable for anything, and Lalit Modi’s churlish actions will also soon be forgotten.

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this one i read is one of the best written and balanced article i just found on cricinfo.com

http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/445438.html

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The only reason SRK suddenly jumped the gun and was all for embracing Pakistani players is this: His movie My Name is Khan is releasing in Pakistan on February 12. The fear of a ban on Indian movies followed by an obvious loss in revenue is what made King Khan suddenly remember his roots. Again, its the money honey.

Vinod ji, I would recommend that you read the view on this from across the border which I found much better in analysis of the so called IPL fiasco: http://blog.dawn.com/2010/01/27/backtracking-on-the-ipl/

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As much as I detest SRK’s comments , I detest Shiv Sena, more
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ShivSena is a curse on Indian politics. They have held Mumbai hostage and unless the
mainstream political parties counter it politically , this sore will become biger and bigger.

Shivsena is entitled to its views on Pakistan and can freely expressit.

Its when they indulkge in violence and hooliganism, to force the issue, be it cricket or poor labourers earning a living in Mumbai, is when they become like Babbar Khalsa activists or Jamait-e-Islami activists.

Today Shiv Sena is a greater menance to Indian politics and civil society than either one of them.

BJP loses respect when it keeps quiet on thuggish antics of Shivsena/thakeray.
Congress, does not want to mess with it.
Its a very depresing situation.

I cannot call Pak a thug state with 100% conviction unless the main political parties in India counter ShivSena hooliganism with 100% commitment.

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hi guys,
I just wana say that if you didnt support cricketers, actors, other liberal people in pakistan than you ultimately support the other opposite category (extremist) which will again hurt India in near future. So please support real pakistani people which are mostly like you n be friends

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Vinodji,

Its not a foreign policy issue at all.Actually,its a non-issue.Indian Media and Pakistani Players made it a issue for their own commercial Interests.The Indian media which lamblasted Manmohan Singh after Sharmal Sheikh suddenly after Aman Ki Asha has been showing Competitive Benevolence on Pakistan.Im seeing the shift in reporting in each news channel when there is no improvement in action taken on the ground on Terrorists
The Pakistani Players Particularly Afridi made it an issue of pride.The auction is a business proposition between IPL and Individual Players.Even the PCB has no role in this except giving clearance.But the Players made it as a snub to Pakistan when there is actually none.When Lalit modi suddenly started wooing Pakistani Players,Afridi agrees to participate in the
Auction again.There is no Pakistani Pride then.Its all about money ,Vinodji.These people made it a issue for their own Interests.This occured because of Non-Transparent Auction Process,Selfish Players,Commerically Driven Media.

I think that Lalit Modi and his colleagues didnt plan well ahead of the auction. Pakistani Players need not be invited in this climate of distrust .But Please give benefit of doubt to Lalit Modi.There’s no conspiracy going on here.You seem to be giving benefit of doubt to Pakistanis but please extend it to Indians too.I think Lalit modi made a mistake.But so what?We had so many terrorist attacks and we still reach out to Pakistan.
Dont be so apologetic over a non-issue.

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A very interesting piece from Pakistan media – regarding Pak military, Taleban and Pakhtun people.

Its not just Pakistanis who buy Pak military propoganda. Most of the discourse in Indian media , on this subject too, suffers from Pak military propoganda.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20101\30\story_30-1-2010_pg3_5

analysis: Dangerous abyss of perceptions —Farhat Taj

The Pakistan Army is engaged in ‘friendly fire’ with the jihadi gangs in which the civilians, poor soldiers of the security forces, especially FC soldiers, policemen and foot soldiers of the Taliban are killed. This, according to the Pakhtun perception, is in line with the scheme of things of the military-militant leadership

I have been writing in these pages that there is a remarkable difference in the perceptions of the people of Pakhtunkhwa, including FATA, and the majority of people in the rest of Pakistan with regard to what drives terrorism in our country. For the latter, it is the US, India and Israel rocking our country with terrorism on the pretext that no Muslim can ever kill fellow Muslims. Whereas the former believe that fellow Muslims in the Pakistani religious-political parties, jihadi organisations, retired and in service generals of the Pakistan army (the real lords of our country), and media Taliban (pro-Taliban journalists and analysts) have created a complex mixture of fanatical, sectarian, anti-civilisation and anti-humanity state of mind among fellow Pakistanis, who are now thoroughly engaged in the genocide of the Pakhtun and replacing the Pakhtun culture with the seventh century Arab tribal culture. The US, India and Israel may or may not be fishing in troubled waters, but they are certainly not running the deadly show on the Pakhtun lands in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Moreover, the international jihadi forces are fully in alliance with the Pakistani jihadis. The Pakistan Army is engaged in ‘friendly fire’ with the jihadi gangs in which the civilians, poor soldiers of the security forces, especially FC soldiers, policemen and foot soldiers of the Taliban are being killed. This, according to the Pakhtun perception, is in line with the scheme of things of the military-militant leadership in terms of ‘strategic depth’ in Afghanistan.

In a conference held in Peshawar on December 12-13, 2009, this issue of the difference of perceptions was thoroughly discussed. The conference, named ‘Terrorism: The Ways Out’ was attended by political parties and civil society organisations of Pakhtunkhwa and FATA that actively oppose terrorism: Awami National Party, Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party, Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians, Pakistan People’s Party-Sherpao, National Party and Awami Party Pakistan. Civil society included organisations under the banner of Amn Tehrik (Peace Movement), businessmen, doctors, lawyers, teachers, students, labourers and intellectuals.

The conference concluded the following in terms of the difference in perceptions. One of its reasons is perfectly natural. There is a Pashto proverb that burns are felt where there is fire. Most of the fire of terrorism is burning in the Pakhtun lands. The second reason is the policy of the government. In pursuit of strategic depth in Afghanistan, the government of dictator Musharraf allowed massive media coverage to the people who were supporting terrorism. This includes some retired generals and a few journalists and analysts. As a result, those living in other parts of the country or those who were not directly affected by terrorism were systematically indoctrinated with pro-terrorism ideas for about eight years. This nurtured a social environment that is tolerant to those committing terrorism. Those living in the war zone are eyewitnesses to all that is happening there and they have their own perceptions of this war.

The conference noted with great concern that it continues to be propagated in the media, though in an implied manner, that terrorism is the continuation of jihad against the Soviet Union. The fact is that almost all of those who were fighting against the Soviets have become an active part of the political canvas of Afghanistan in order to bring stability to the democratic process in that country. They are the foremost opponents of terrorism. They include Professor Mujaddidi, Burhan-ud-Din Rabbani, Pir Gilani, Abdul Rasool Siaf, Abdul Rasheed Dostam and the party of late Ahmed Shah Masood. Only two people of the anti-Soviet campaigns are now involved in terrorism, i.e. Gulbadin Hikmatyar and Jalal-ud-Din Haqqani. Gulbadin’s party is almost non-existent. Only one of his commanders, Kashmir Khan, and a few friends are supporting him. Haqqani had already joined the Taliban and is based in North Waziristan, where he commands an entire terror secretariat.

Moreover, none of the Pakistani terrorist organisations like Hizbul Mujahideen, Harkatul Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Muhamamd, Sipah-e-Sahaba, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Lashkar-e-Islam, Ansar-ul-Islam, Amar-bil-Maroof, Tahreek-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat-e-Muhammadi and Tahreek-e-Taliban had participated in the anti-Soviet campaign. Despite this, it was propagated over the media that these terrorists were part of the anti-Soviet campaign and they have been living in the tribal areas for thirty years where they had married the local women and thus became part and parcel of the tribal society. The fact is that in the tribal areas, a foreigner is never called a native even if he had taken asylum and lived there for centuries. The Mehsud tribe of South Waziristan did not allow even a single non-local to stay in their area during this whole period.

The conference participants observed that people of the war-affected areas think that the army and the Taliban are friends, not enemies. These people have been persistently asking the question why the military failed to target the core leadership of the militants in all the 17 military operations in FATA? It is true that during the military operations the top as well as the second and the third cadre leadership were neither killed nor wounded nor captured. Moreover, the news of the killing of many terrorist leaders was broadcast several times over the media but they are still alive. Commanders like Ibn-e-Amin, Shah Duran and Ikram-ud-Din are the prime examples of such false propaganda.

In Swat, the news that Fazlullah is under siege was broadcast three times by the ISPR but in the same month it was propagated through the media that he had escaped to Afghanistan. Fazlullah’s close associates Muslim Khan, Haroon and Mahmood were arrested by the military but six months have passed and nobody knows what happened to them.

In the past, Sufi Muhammad was arrested and then released in a so-called peace deal, which was imposed upon the provincial political leadership at gunpoint. The valiant police of the Pakhtunkhwa province once arrested 28 terrorists with suicide jackets and these terrorists were taken away by the intelligence agencies for further investigation. These people were kept somewhere for a few months. They were released the day when General Pervez Musharraf imposed the Emergency. Only a few words came to us about their release. It is due to these reasons that the people of the war-affected areas are neither satisfied with the military operations nor do they entertain false hopes.

The issue of drone attacks is the most important one. If the people of the war-affected areas are satisfied with any counter-militancy strategy, it is the drone attacks. According to the people of Waziristan, drones have never killed any civilian. Some people in Waziristan even compare the drones with ababils (the holy swallows sent by God to avenge Abraha, the invader of the Khana Kaaba). A component of the Pakistani media, some retired generals, a few journalists/analysts and pro-Taliban political parties never stop their baseless propaganda against drone attacks.

I would request all fellow Pakistanis to urgently address these issues. Any more silence on this matter could be dangerous for the integrity of Pakistan. The generals, militant groups, religious-political parties and a section of our mainstream media, especially Urdu media, are pushing the entire Pakhtunkhwa towards becoming another Bangladesh. If this happened, those fellow Pakistanis who otherwise may not agree with the military, militants and the media Taliban, but chose to remain silent, would also be responsible for another break up of Pakistan.

The writer is a research fellow at the Centre for Interdisciplinary Gender Research, University of Oslo, and a member of Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy. She can be reached at bergen34@yahoo.co

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It looks like rejected Pakistani player Sohail Tanvir talked about HINDU FITRAT.

What are the views of Mr.Sharma on HINDU FITRAT as commented by peaceful pakistani Sohail Tanvir?

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@Rajeev,
Do you have a link to the statemnent from Sohail Tanvir ?

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Rajiv,
Here is a column talking about Tanvir and Shahrukh Khan brand of secularism…

http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/feb/02/why-pakistan-can-never-be-a-great-neighbour.htm

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Apart from reflecting badly on India, the insulting exclusion has allowed reactionary, extremist elements in Pakistan to seize the moral high ground. And it has pushed Pakistani public opinion and civil society further into the embrace of those who would like to perpetuate a climate of hostility with India and who have more than a soft spot for terrorism. (The Hindu-Newspaper)

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pakistan and moral ground.
kill kafirs and hate india hindus,demand pakistan for pure and then stay back
to create mischief and islmaize india with differnt islamic laws.

so why was pakistan created and why did hundreds of thousands lose their lives then.

can your aman ki asha friends like sharma and elmedia answer

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r abusing hindus is a favorite pass time of elmedia.

these guys dont even change their hindu nmaes and convert.

in many ways the muslims who belive in the holy
dictat of impure infidels and kafirs are better than these secular hindus
who decieve with hindu nmaes.thse guys were born in hindu families
with hindu mothers and fathers and now they abuse hindus in their
publications articels and defnd pakistanis who do the same.

and then they call this communal hatred against hindus secularism and praise and wnat bharat ratna foer mfhusain for painti hindu goddesses nude.

wah re wah.they cannot rebut . no onder your comment went unrebutted
by this secular badshah who agreees with the simple 7th century mind
that hindus r impure and abuseworthy.

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Here is my take on SRK and his battles with Sena. I argue that SRK too must share the blame and not just Sena.

http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/sena-vs-srk-who-is-the-villian/

Regards,

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