Here’s wishing you more luck, Mr Chidambaram



Governance isn’t about promoting individuals. It’s about building institutions. On this count alone, one cannot quarrel with Home Minister P Chidambaram’s agenda for a national counter-terrorism center styled after a similarly named, post-9/11 US organization for a focused, unwavering fight against terrorism. In his pursuit, he’d make many toes curl. But the Griha Mantri isn’t expected to keep friendships if they weaken the country’s war on terror.

P Chidambaram

P Chidambaram

Take the case of the outgoing national security advisor MK Narayanan who’s the Home Minister’s friend for 35 years. The wide powers he wielded as the PM’s points-person on internal security and strategic and foreign policy issues, did not sit pretty with the need for a lean and mean anti-terror machine to fight home born and cross border terrorism. So Chidambaram proceeded to do what the country expected of him as the keeper of internal security: moot NCTC for placing under on roof the national expertise and wherewithal to thwart terrorist designs.

A section of the media has presented Narayanan’s elevation as West Bengal governor the outcome of the choice the Home Minister presented the PM by floating the NCTC model. The fledgling concept had no space for a super home minister the NSA became during Shivraj Patil’s listless tenure. The latter paid in the wake of 26/11 the price for his soft, laidback demeanor in the office where people wanted a tough guy sitting. But why and how the axe didn’t fall on Narayanan remains a mystery, the popular perception being that the PM wanted him to continue and the Congress leadership, then gearing up for elections, decided to be deferential.

Chidambram has had a reassuring presence in the office he took from Shivraj. He’s known to attribute to lady luck the relatively calmer 2009 India had after the shockingly violent 2008 that ended with Mumbai. One only hopes that his run of luck continues in the New Year in which his prime agenda is to give NCTC a life and a body. Posterity will remember him with gratitude if he delivers on that promise, especially when the NCTC’s  powers and responsibilities will be a collective sum of what it takes from other agencies and organizations such as the IB, RAW, CBI and the like. And in that, he’d need to be backed as much by the Prime Minister, the bureaucracy, the intelligence fraternity and his party, the Congress.

MK Narayanan

MK Narayanan

Narayanan, for instance, had tremendous de jure power on being designated national security advisor — with dual charge of internal and external policy — after JN Dixit’s 2005 demise. But the de facto powers he wielded with the political class arose from the  exaggerated impression of his proximity to the Congress’s top leadership.

If extended to Chidambaram, such powers will — rather than making an individual larger than life — help him create an institution the country so direly needs.

Internal security responsibilities should return to where they belong — the MHA. The PMO cannot be a keeper of cops and snoops. It has a much broader mandate — that of reviving the economy, generating jobs, formulating foreign policy, devising means and mobilizing resources for poverty alleviation schemes. Alongside, it needs to promote a work culture and a system where only the fittest survive.

Narayanan’s gubernatorial retirement should be the beginning of a new order replacing the old across sectors of governance. In that sense, the junior ministers’ clamour for meaningful work allocation is timely.

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  • Rajiv

    Mr Chidambaram, comes accross as a practical, clear headed politician. We need more politicians like him .

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  • Anil Kumar

    This is very good step. I hope he sees this through to the right conclusion. I never understand why these prima donas like M K narayanan need gubernational post. Why can’t these blokes retire and and go to life of gardening in their palatical backyard like rest of the public servant. Nobody gave my father a primary school teacher any post-retirement sinecure position neither he sought any; so why should it be any different with top bureaucrats. Why they must be humoured by offerings of Governor’s chair.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Excellent point.

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    Venky Reply:

    Anil, well said. I think we need a new constitutional amendment to do away with Governor post. This will save hectare’s of land in prime locality which the central/state Govt. can share by promoting to real estate agents or as prime educational institututions like IIT/IIM/universities to flourish in the heart of city saving millions of rupees for future students to travel to to outskirts to study. I remember during the time of Indira Gandhi days these Governor posts are used to only dethrone local govt. on the basis of Governor(handyman) reports.

    Regards

    Venkys

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Vinodji,

    I am not into Vinod sharma bahing and Pak bashing! Do you really think it is the same thing– Pak bashing and vinod sharma bashing??

    Sigh…

    I just want to reform our neighbour. For its own good !

    But yes, Chidambram is to us what Manmohan was to the economy in 91.

    he can reform the HOme Ministry for sure.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Anil,
    You have a point. But that is only peripheral to the subject of the blog. Let us discuss on the reforms/ reorganisation Chidambaram wants in country’s response to terror.

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  • Venky

    Dear Vinodji

    I agree with you. Your last paragarah is really good. We need change which was started by Rajeev Gandhi. Let us give freedom to people who want to really do good for us while staying within the political system like Chidambaram, Anand Sharma, Kaml nath, A.K. Anthony to name a few. This will really change the political system to good governance rathar than sycophancy (credit to Sonia Gandhi). Your emphasis on junior ministers wants meaningful work allocation is arising out of Juniors want to emulate seniors like the one I mentioned above. I really see a change in the younger generations of 2010 optimistally than during 1970’s, which is really for the betterment of India.

    Regards

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  • vijay kumar

    We need more Chidambrams, for sure.

    Vinodji at least you acknowledge out here that India faces a terror situation from our mad mad neighbour.

    Now Mr Chidambram could do well to create a REVERSE BRAINWASHING solution for the small kids in Pakistan who are being taught to become suicide bombers, unlike Indian children who aim to become technocrats and engineers.

    maybe he will use his management acumen for that goal.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Yes. That’s why you must wish him luck. Also, pl stick to the issue I have raised on this blog and don’t turn it into another pak-bashing and vinod sharma-bashing session.

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  • nitin mathur

    Dear Vinodji,
    As a mature commentator you have always had a large heart and came up with keen observations. Your wishing Mr Chidambaram is really appropriate at this juncture. While NCTC would take of sharing of information amongst IB/ CBi/ RAW etc. a few points at this juncture on which your views shall help in understanding the other issues associated with MHA as an extension to the points rightly mentioned in your blog:
    1) MHA also has control of Registrar General of India which is responsible for Population Census ( a major activity in 2010 as the Census will declare reports in 2011). One wonders if MHA still needs to take care of this huge exercise or it would be apropriate if this gets shifted out to say Min of Personnel. It would probable give some work to new MoS who as you have indicated are asking for work.
    2) MHA needs to work out a mechanism in which it can play a role in upgrading the State owned Police structure. There are 2 points here:
    a) Upgrading the arms, ammunition, bulletproof jackets , boots etc. needs to be taken up. As the indications from State Govt. appear most of them have indicated non-availability of funds as a ready excuse. But clealy the issue has to be addressed. If Centre is to provide funds then it should have a mechanism to check the way these funds are used. Clearly the Minister can recommend some mechanism here. Any suggestions Sir
    b) Filling of the Vacant Posts where Mr Chidambaram has indicated that the gap is so huge that he needs 4 yrs..Some followup is required and this need not take away Mr Chidambaram’s valuable time. What is your view
    3) MHA has to relook at the demand of reconstitution of states: Talengana, Gorkhaland, Vidarbha, Bundelkhand etc..Any insight on this one Sir
    4) Defining who is a terrorist or is there a need to redefine terrorism in view of Naxalites/Maoists? If a state govt. ( read JMM govt.) decides not to use CRPF or take Police action/use force against maoists who continue to damage Govt. of India’s Public Property are the current provisions available with the Govt. sufficient to act or is there a need for amendments.
    5) Disaster Management team for floods relief without involving Defence Units.
    Look forward to your view.
    Regards,

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  • Atul

    I am stil not clear of NCTC’s precise charter, but it would indeed be a pity if NCTC were to be run by a beauracrat.

    My vote will go to the people who are experienced in “on the ground” counter intelligence, as the task will not only be to be warned of impending danger, but also to decimate such organisations, wherever they may be.

    And of course, working out the operating boundaries of the other intelligence agencies could be a tedious affair

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Yes there will be a turf war Atul. But Chidambaram has already said that NCTC will be led by a top counter-terror expert. Its mandate will be resticted to countering terror and will in no way impact other responsibilities of the existing bodies —- IB, RAW etc.

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  • sunny

    Mr. Chidambaram has been quite active in re-organising the security setup of the country. But the way he has gone about the job is worrying. From whatever we read in the newspapers. it seems he is trying to copy and implement the US internal security structure with little or no changes. US is far off from the nurturing lands of terrorism and it does not have cultural legacies to contend with when coming up with a Guantanamo kind of solution for interrogating terrorists.

    Is an organisational change along the lines of US internal security organisation the most important thing to do in today’s context? What about the enhancing the ‘human intelligence’ component? Are we doing enough on that front? Do we really think that we can hope to use tools like Drones and Guantanamos that may have served US well?

    I think the initiatives announced by HM give us a false impression of effective action. For an US-enamored observer, it may seem sufficient, until the next attack happens.

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  • vijay kumar

    We could also give our spies some real perks as the CIA did.

    Till now we have a shameful record on the treatment we give to the brave guys who spied for us. Let us give them the highest salary and train them the way the CIA and FBI did.

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  • Anil Kumar

    My mind goes to what if UPA I had taken terror seriously and used CHidamabram as Home minister inlast cabinet.. May be we have avoided 26/11 and scores of other.
    This is where our politicians lack maturity. Congress logic used to be sicne BJP makes noise against terror so we will sleep on that issue people’s lives can go to hell.

    By comparison look at USA. All along the campaign democrats kept pitching themselves assomeoen with diametrically opposite stand in comparison to republican. but the moment Obama came in dock was presented the facst he has silently taken forward most of the stands taken by republican on anti-terror front.

    This is what you call a responsible party and leader..

    In India we have too many small minded conceited people leading top parties. To be gracious and objective one needs right education one can certainly not expect that from the semi-literate madam Sonai Gandhi.

    If left to Manmohan Singh he woudl not have ignored terror like he did in last term but alas poor Manmohan Singh is clerk he does what he is told to do.

    Anyway der aaye and here is hoping that durust aaye.

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  • Rajiv

    Vinod-saab

    You ( and everyone else reading this blog ) may like to read this article on HindustanTimes.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Yes-we-love-you-too/H1-Article1-500223.aspx

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    Pl don’t carry coal to new castle. The author of the article carried by HT is known to me personally. He does not hide his right wing views and was part of Narendra Modi’s campaign team during elections in Gujarat. Pl read his writings in this instance — otherwise he’s a fine analyst— in the context I have mentioned.

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    Anil Kumar Reply:

    You do know you are indulging in ad-hominem.. What hase being part of NAMO campiang got to with the article..
    You whine when people pigeonhole you under certain umbrella discarding the merit of the points raised then why indulge in the same yourself.

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    aftab Reply:

    Salam alekum, brother Vinod.
    We in pakistan love you because you are true brother who stands up for us and is in our team against kafir enemies like rajiv. we love the way you called brother Aitaz a good man and hate people like Advani and their kind Rajiv etc.We need people like you in dar ul harb India and as you know secular people like you have been very helpful to us to establish islamic influence thru population growth,immigration,conversion and votebank effect.plase keep the hindus divided like congress is doing and nothing will stop allah’s islam.

    Brother our religion says we should be willing to decieve for allah and do everything to
    conquer all land thru military or population increase. We said in 1947 ladke liya pakistan haske lege hindustan.Thank you brother vinod and we are now making conquering progress in assam which will soon become islamic like kashmir and we thank media for keeping quiet and focusing on hindus like muthalik,bjp etc to distract.

    Your media frnieds have helped us a lot in kashmir.Allah says there is nothing wrong in using a a name like Vinod as part of taquia strategy written in Koran against idol worshipping hindus.
    allah bless you and you will definitely go to allah’s heaven brother Inshallah.

    Keep up the good work for us pure/pak islamic people brother including you and other kafir haters on the other side.hating kafirs converting and conquering them is a duty and brother Vinod you are doing great job and all your Pakistani brothers love you and visit your paper and give you business for that.Inshallah

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Aftab,

    Need authentic islamic (quranic and hadith) references on:

    1. ” Brother our religion says we should be willing to decieve for allah and do everything to
    conquer all land thru military or population increase”

    2. “hating kafirs converting and conquering them is a duty and brother …..”

    3. “Allah says there is nothing wrong in using a a name like Vinod as part of taquia strategy written in Koran against idol worshipping hindus.”

    Are you an Aalim, Mufti? What is your religious grip on Islam? State your arguments in proper prespective and background with tafseer reference of some Deoband or Arab institute. I’m expecting your answer in one day time.

    Besides, go back to last blog and come up with the central idea of the passage. A little hint is mentioned in the title.

    Rajiv Reply:

    @Usman,
    Aftab , may be a prankster. So best to ignore such postings and perhaps should be deleted.

    Shiuli Mukherji Reply:

    Usman Saab,
    Need not worry as Any person can see the missing link in the above write-up. This current blog of Vinod Sharma talks of a different issue and the gentleman’s comments does not match with the blog.
    The point is with the use of internet people do have given vent to free speech and sometimes mistakes like the above comment does happen.
    But Had this been in any Islam ruled country, the action would have been taken very swifltly and the comment-stater behind bars. Chk out what happened in Malaysia.

    Anil Kumar Reply:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_z30c9hZtU&feature=PlayList&p=B420797E33ACBB33&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=4

    I guess Dr. ISrara ahmed and Dr Ghamdi are allim and see it youorself what at least one of them Dr ISrara thinks about ISlamic state.. There is great degree of truth in what that prankseter is enunciating

    Sam Reply:

    Usman,
    Why is Islam occupying Mecca/Medinah/Kaaba ?

    There were pre-islamic heritage of Arabs.

    why did you founder not built separate places of worship, instead of occupying someone else’s religious places ?

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Sam,

    Kaaba was sacred to many tribes and people in/outside Arab. That is true. Mecca was significant because of Kaaba. However, I’m little aware if Madina was also of such significance before Islam.

    Its not occupation of Kaaba or Mecca in a true sense. Infact, the very first qibla (direction towards where muslims pray) was Al-Aqsa mosque (in Jerusalem) and kaaba was still a worship place equally for muslims as well as for non-muslims. Only after muslims took control of mecca after 20+ years of its birth, was the place restricted for non-muslims and after two incidents where muslims sought threat at the hands of non-muslims was the place no longer allowed for them. Which you may interpret as occupation now. But the question now is “Is there anyone who still thinks Mecca/Kaaba is of significance besides muslims?” If there is, one is allowed to speak.

    Why not build separate place of worship instead? The answer is lengthy and quite devine, in brief Muhammad (pbuh) was from the blood line of Samuel (Ismaeel) second son of Abraham and he had personal association with kaaba because the earlier two had built that. Not only that mecca was also inhabited by the two as they were the early settlers of that region. So for his feelings associated with two ancestoral fathers Mecca and kaaba became center to Islamic birth. Later in time muslims were asked to consider this place as their direction for worship and since then is centric mark in Islamic faith.

    Anil Kumar Reply:

    This post had bene funy had the facts detailed been just a joke but scary thing is that it’s a fact.

    Anyone who need confirmation on what ISlamic Khilfat meant should read the treaty of tripoli betwene american founding fathers and pirates of Khilfata Pripoli of Pasha.. How he openly justified his piracy hiding behind holy book without any remorse.

    That was first edcuation on Islam for fledgling state of USA..

    Rajiv Reply:

    The West and particularly USA, UK and Japan, have played a big role in the demented development of Pak state as a state sponser of terrorism.
    I dont mention China, because China looks upon Pakistan as a rogue who does its dirty work and stays on a tight leash.

    From 1979 through 1994 – 15 years, as Pak trained terrorists attacked mainly India, USA and UK sought to lecture India on negotiations, secularism etc, misreading the cussedness of the Pk state, as a conflict between to neighbours , who were mostly alike. Everything boiled down to Kashmir for them – ignoring the fundamental differences that characterize India and Pakistan.

    Its that fundamental misreading of the character of the Pak state , that has contributed to the development of Pak to what it is today. However, as soon as militants sheltered in Pak started attacking western targets , there rhetoric of USA, UK changed. They even tried to differentiate between terrorists that killed Indians and those that killed westerners.

    Its only very recently , that USA , has realized its mistakes and hopefully will not let it be duped by Pak again. I will keep my fingers crossed.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Aftab or whoever you are.
    Your comment: bears the imprint of an imposter. Your are a mask and a dangerous one at that. Would recommend to other visitors to his blog to keep you at arm’s length and more.

    Shiuli Mukherji Reply:

    Mr. Sharma, very good article on the kind of leader-ship India needs to cherish. Your first line “Governance is not about promoting individuals.” Very true but it should promote good “Leader-ship”, which is very much lacking in India. If for once we keep aside the party centric politics and think wholly on making India Citizen-centric, that step will be applauded by the countrymen irrespective of class, caste and religion. Because currently the Indians are not merely interested in caste based issues, they are mostly interested in result oriented measures. And if the govt just like good brands support CRM ( not customer centric, instead Citizen-centric) activities, the apathy is likely to diminish.

    Rajiv Reply:

    Here is a list of Indian PM’s , who were too eager to be fooled by Pak.

    Indira Gandhi ( Shimla accord , were victors gave away everything, losers nothing )
    Morarji ( We should be happy that he did not disband the army )
    I K Gujral ( fool, Idiot and worse)
    Vajpayee ( Sentimental )
    Manmohan ( He has a mixed book so far but any deal with Pak, means a deal with a party who knows only dishonesty and doomed to failure ).

    Any deal with Pak, should involve a well crafted, detailed , independent body to verify compliance. You have to assume , that Pak intends to cheat and deceive at every step. Reagan said, ‘Trust but verify’.
    When dealing with Pak it should be ‘Never ever trust and always verify’.

  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com Akhilesh

    Vinod Ji,
    In the context of Narayanan’s removal as NSA, you and readers might want to read a post that I have written on my blog. Here is the link :

    http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/aman-ki-asha-my-take/

    I argue here that Narayanan’s removal has nothing to do with NCTC but actually with Aman ki Asha – promoting peace with Pak. You might be really interested in it since this issue is in many ways your raison de tere .

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    On the issue of NCTC and Chidambram itself – till now PC has been all talk and no action.

    Consider how NIA was formed with much fanfare – it has been a year since and not even PC would be aware as to what exactly NIA does !!

    Consider the great TV and media build up on “Operation Greenhunt” – the presumed final assault against Naxalites. It was supposed to be launched after monsson last year – postponed and then after Diwali – it is now almost Feb 2010 and still no signs as to what is exactly happening there.

    Infact Chidambram looks good only because we compare him with Shivraj Patil. This is an unfair comparison. It is like comparing a fully healthy man with a deaf and dumb person and then say, se how the healthy man speaks so well !!

    This does not mean PC cannot deliver. What i am arguing is that we must reserve our praise for PC till he delivers and not just talk !

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Manyawar Akhilesh mahoday,
    All that I can say is that you are not a fair judge of people. You also form opinion on half baked information.

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    Vinod Ji,
    Infact I thought that for once you will agree with me. I have not outright condenmed Chidambram….all I say is that let us reserve our judgment on him till he actually delivers on the various proposal and promises made. Till now he is still untested material in the Home Ministry. If he does indeed deliver I will be the first to praise gim. But let’s not make another Obama of him – a man given the Nobel just for delivering speeches !!

    On the removal of NSA too I thought you will agree with him – after all I argue that Aman Ki Asha might actually have a chance !!

  • Rajiv

    I would like to know , whats the opinion about appointment of ShivShankar Menon, in place of Narayanan.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    Menon is a fine diplomat and a very cerebral person who had the courage to accept flaws in the drafting of the Sharm-e–Sheikh statement. I think he will make a very good NSA.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Thanks

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji
    It is so narrow thinking on your part to have prompted you to delete my earlier response to your mentioning the suitability of Mr. Menon as making a good NSA. I had questioned his cerebral capability for his fault in drafting the Shram-e-Sheikh statement. Can the country afford to make such blunders at an international level only to feel sorry afterward. I still believe what soever experinece Mr Menon may have in the diplomatic cadre, his appointment as NSA is debatable. Hope you do not delete my views this time from this page.
    Regards
    BNA

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Dr Anand,
    I am not aware of your post as I have come to this blog after a bout of ailment. I am not known to deleting comments to my blog and it is really unfortunate that you have chosen to level such a charge against me.
    Worst is written against me personally and all that stays. So why would I knock out your views on Menon. Pl don’t take yourself that seriously sir for that shows that you have little or no regard for the other person’s intellectual courage or integrity.

    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji
    I am sorry you were not well. I do have all the respect for your generosity in allowing others to react to your blogs in any way. That was one of the reasons for me to wonder as to why my post written very mildly was deleted. Rest assured I have full faith in your being one of the very few liberal journalist.
    Regards
    BNA

  • Gopi Thomas

    Although a congress apolgist, Chidambaram is a smart man with the interests of teh country at teh core of his decisions. We can never get perfect people; I would take Chidambaram any time compared to may others – may be Sibil and KAmal Nath too.

    Manmohan made ther ight decision to give the portfolio to Chidambaram. Chidmbaram is one of teh key people who promulgated the policies for the extraordinary growth of our economy. With economic securityw ell under control, I am sure Chidambaram will create the environment to enjoy/leverage that economic security.

    Let us all support him in his efforts to make the country safe. It is like night and dayw hen you compare to Shivraj PAtil….. How can anybody make him tyeh Home Minister of a complex country with internal and external threats

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  • vijay kumar

    Chidambram is looking better and better as a home MInister with each passing day.

    He seems to have started tackling the Naxalite problem, which his predessors ignored.

    He needs to form a crises response mechanism to tackle the challenges from terror sponsoring nations as well as do gooders from India who end up harming the countries interests.

    a) For example Priyanka Vadra is willing to forgive Nalini, because she feels she has suffered enough. Sorry, Priyanka, Rajiv Gandhi may have been your father, but he was also India’s PM who was assasinated by a terrorist attack. Your personal views cannot change state policy.

    Let Nalini be punished in such a manner that nobody ever dare launch terror attacks on India.

    b) On Afzal Guru, our state is so soft and scared that it is giving a wrong signal to Pakistani sponsors of murder. That you can do anything in India, but Shiela Dixit will not have time to “look” at files. Very funny.

    What happens to the security personnel killed while defending the Parliamentarians. Pakistanis like Dawood, Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed as well as the commanders in the ISI must be laughing like hell.

    c) Pakistani PM says he cannot gaurantee another 26/11 not to happen. Ok, he cannot because the link with David Headley/ Dawood Gilani to his PRO has come out, so Pakistan is anyway out of control. But neither is he willing to punish the perpetuators already identified like Hafeez Saeed and Lakhvi.

    A crises response team should be in place to take swift action against the forces of evil, whenever they attack our freedoms next.

    Let us be prepared.

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  • Anil Kumar

    http://dailypioneer.com/231312/PM%c3%a2%e2%82%ac%e2%84%a2s-vision-lacks-a-reality-check.html

    M J Akbar easily top two jouranalists along with Arun Shourie in all time list has diferent take on removal of M K Narayanan

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Thanks for the link

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    It is a coincidence indeed that i had made the exact same analysis as M J Akbar, behind Narayanan’s removal. I had written this blog post on 18th Jan, a full week before MJ wrote it.

    Here is the link again :

    http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com/2010/01/18/aman-ki-asha-my-take/

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    Rajiv Reply:

    I read your blog. Only time will tell if what you have speculated, is true or not.
    As an avid reader of Pak media — particularly Dailytimes.com.pk, Nation.com.pk and Dawn, I do not see any change in what the Pak establishment is selling to its people. Pak minister of interior consistently and pak foreign-ministry occasionally say and imply in the national press that India is behind terrorism in Pak. The nation.com.pk , is most close to the army/ISI and its the most diabolic and virulent of the lot.

    Anyone who has dealt with Pak, just as Mr M K Narayanan had for so many years, should know to his core what a diabolic and devilish entity the Pak establishment is. Its incorrigibly thug to its core as its wedded to a ideology of conflict and hate. Ignoring facts on the ground and being simplictic is suicidal. Mr M J Akbar too has warned India of it. Pak establishment does not seek peace with India – there is absolutely no evidence of it. If someone has it, please produce.

    Regarding, comparing giving some Pak civilian honor to Tendulkar in exchange of concessions on Kashmir, just like the cunning, cruel and utterly dishonest Zia-ul-Haq gave the highest civilian honor to that pompous fool Morarji Desai, is too immature and childish.

    India and Pakistan are very different nations and just as two brothers can have diametrically opposite characters, so can 2 neighbour be. Hope Indian political leaders follow the facts of Pak conduct and not weave dreams in the air.

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    Anil Kumar Reply:

    What makes me uncomfortable is the hurry certain leader deluded by their own personal resume show while dealing with Pakistan.. vajpayeejee too was in hurry and fi nto for L K Advani would have made serious compromise of indian interest in order to etch his name in hostory books apropos indo/pak relationship.

    Manmohan Singh too have been convinced bywily media that he is second coming of messiha and can do no wrong and seems to be in similar kind of haste.

    This time I am counting o Pranab Mukherjj to check Manmohan’s exuberance . Once Mukherjje has already shonw he brooks no nonsense when dealing with Pakistan by vetoign Manmohan over his decision to pull out troops from Siachen point.

    What makes Manmohan Singh more dangerous that A B vajpayee here is the fact that manmohan Singh doesn’t need endorsement from idnian public he is only answerable to himself and 10 Janpath.. Even if he screws Congress stands to lose nothign they will just quietly phase out Manmohan putting all blmae on him thus party will come unscathed..

    This si why I have been fearful of this sick setup where accpoutabvility and authority doesn;t lie in the same office.

    God save India and Indian interest.

    Seriously these over-zealous peaceniks who are in hurry to reqrite history make me seriously nervous. In that regard Nehru Vajpayee and Manmohan-II are cut from the same wool.

    One needs an L K advani and a Pranab Mukherjee to checkmate these gusy. Nehrujee had none and that’s why his efforts had done most damage ,

    Anil Kumar Reply:

    How could I hae forgotten Morarji Desai.. That timen we had double whammy fo Desai alogn with froegin affairs minister Vajpayee.

    Pakistan was in seriois deep-shit then and we had kept baluchistan alive but Vajapyee/Desai duo aborted our baluchistan act without gainign anything in kashmir..

    I am a staunch BJp supporter but Vajapyeejee was little too compromising . I am sure he even himself knew that that’s why he kept Adavaniji in vicinity just to remind him when to stop when he went little too far.

    Akhilesh Reply:

    @ Rajiv,
    Probably you have not clearly understood what I was trying to convey. It is not that I am supporting any peace moves with Pakistan. Quite the contrary. What I have suggested in my blog is that there is a sinister move afoot to somehow make peace with Pakistan. Manmohan Singh has now set his eyes firmly on this one deal. This he thinks will be his legacy. And he has started removing people who could have been a hurdle in this process. Thus the removal of Narayanan. He was too much a hardliner to stitch together a peace project with Pakistan, whatever the cost.

    The Tendulkar idea is just an analogy – what I was suggesting was that the Indian government would try and nudge Pak govt to make some sort of a gesture like this. Then with their chamchas in the Indian media, a campaign would be built that Pakistan has made a great move for peace with India and we must reciprocate. And how should we reciprocate? By making concessions on Kashmir, how else !!

    Because make no mistake – Kashmir can only be solved if India makes conessions – it is Pak which wants to change status quo which can only happen if India conceeds some ground.

    Infact I see an already sinister move all planned to detail – Pak making some meanigless gestures, India conceeding on Kahmir and peace accord signed. Manmohan gets Nobel prize and Obama then justifies his Nobel by claiming that he helped in the process.

    People like Vinod Sharma will be on side of Manmohan is promoting this sinister move.

    Mark my words !

  • vijay kumar

    Dear Rajiv and all others on this blog,

    I am also giving you some more details on people who get foxed by the tricky Pakistanis.

    a) Morarji Desai furnished a list of RAW agents to gen Zia, ensuring their death. Gen Zia nominated Morarji for Nishan-e – Pakistan.

    b) Narsimha rao was practical and shrewd and retaliated for violence in Punjab and Kashmir by setting up parallel operations in Pakistan.

    c) People like Khuswant Singh and Mani AIyer are just too enamoured by Pakistan and end up supporting its devious treachorous murders.

    Khushwant Singh, we all know is a great writer of jokebooks and writes a nice column. But as far as Pakistan goes he is a big zero. As late as 2008, writing in The Tribune, Khushwant Singh called Gen Zia as mard-emomin, mard-e- haq. In fact painted him as nek and deen, a modern day Aurangzeb, who was strict and religious.

    WOW! WOW !! WOW !!!

    By what stretch of imagination was Gen Zia great?

    Khushwant says that on his visit to Pakistan, in spite of the strict prohibition, Gen Zia made sure that Khuswant Singh got six bottles of scotch at the Hilton hotel !!!

    Further on Gen Zia was “kind and gracious enough to leave me at the door.”

    He further recounts how he and Mani Aiyar, (then India’s counsel in Islamabad) drove around Pakistan and enjoyed themselves.

    FANTASTIC !! FANTASTIC !! FANTASTIC !!!!!

    Khuswant Singh, swept by the act of these scotch bottles and getting dropped at the door by an evil cobra of a dictator, was swept of the feet. He forgets that,

    a) Gen Zia denied freedom and democracy to Pakistan for 12 years. He killed and murdered people who dissented.

    b) he banned music and dancing, converted the educational sytem into a fanatic tyranny producing suicide bombers

    c) The evil general (called a smiling cobra by many suffering Pakistanis) set up terrorist operations in Punjab and later in Kashmir, resulting in at least 10,000 deaths of Indians.

    Khuswant Singh as a writer of fiction is I guess a bit innocent. What about Mani Aiyar. Can we trust him with serious policy formulations?

    We really have to be careful of all these foolish sentimanetal Pakistan lovers and be hard, so that Pakistan is cured of all the fanatcis who kill Pakistanis and Indians.

    Let us think along these lines.

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  • Rajiv

    Nothing condemns writers like Khuswant Singh, as much as there own admiration of the father of Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan – Zial-Ul-Haq.

    The interesting thing is , no one in the mainstream Indian media questions this fools and asks those questions.

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  • Rajiv

    @Akhilesh,

    Your apprehensions about a hastily crafted deal with Pak , thats not in Indian interests is justified.
    I hope the opposition and independent media will act as a watch dog and scuttle any such deal, if its not properly structured.
    Pak is working on the premise, get an inch now, will take the yard later. So any deal with Pak has to be iron clad because it will renege on the deal even before the ink is dry. As per Shimla agreement, which Mr Bhutto signed, Kashmir was supose to be only a bilateral issue.

    Anyway, I am a pragmatist on Kashmir. Here is how I would like any deal structured.

    1. India and Pakistan recognize the Line Of Actual control, and give up any territorial claim on the territory that the other party controls.

    2. People of Jammu and Kashmir, and PoK get freedom of movement on both parts of Kashmir.

    3. A symbolic representative body, made up of representatives elected by the assemblies in J&K and PoK, setup to legislate on a very narrow list of subjects. This list will be negotiated by Indian and Pak govt.

    4. India and Pakistan, both retain a veto right on any law that the symbolic body of unified Kashmir passes.

    5. Indians get the right to settle and buy property in Indian part of Kashmir, just as Pakistan get the right to there part of Kashmir ( I guess they already have that ).

    In my opinion, that should be the bare minimum requirements from the Indian side and non negotiable.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    Gud suggestions. The first three points you made are similar to Musharraf’s out of the box ideas(inspired by Dr Manmohan Singh’s original thinking). India has a more nuanced view on joint mechanisms and wanted the idea expanded by setting up coordination on issues such as environment, health, water preservation etc.
    The Kashmiris are unlikely to play ball on property ownership by Indians from other parts of the country. It is a very touchy issue.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Regarding point 5, thats the concession that hardliners have to make. There has to be some give and take . Without 5, the issue will not be fully resolved and fester and sow seeds of discord and doubt.

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    @ Vinod Ji,
    Why propery ownership in Kashmir is important – think it like this – if the Kashmiris sees absolutelt no face of normal Indian life amidst the, how are they ever going to feel Indian. All their politicians are Kashmiris. Their police is Kashmiri. Their officials are Kashmiri. Indeed, the only Indian connect they have is through the Indian Army !!! Any wonder then, that they never appreciate the real value and heriatge of India – because they have never experienced it!

    And how do they experience real India? – when ordianary Indians go and settle there – and thrive in business, commerce and industry. This is how communities are integrated. We promote this idea everwhere. But curiously, we deny this opportunity in Kashmir.

    Real intehration between Kashmir and India will only happen when ordinary Indians – from all states – go and stay and live abd breathe India in Kashmir.

    Else kashmiris will continue to feel perpetually alieneated and Indians will continue to think about them in terms of just land and not humans – just as during the great earthquake some years back – when real India just ignored the news unlike when it happened in Gujrat.

    Akhilesh Reply:

    @ Rajiv:
    Excellent points by you. If Manmohan Singn has to at all go down the peace route with Pakistan, then I think he should be reading comments of people like you. Because only of the core nationalistic majority of India, like you and me, is convinced about the doability of the deal, would any deal hold ground !

    Point 5 is also well taken and I think very apt.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Akhilesh,
    Your argument would be interpreted by Kashmiris as a conspiracy to change the State’s demography. Remember the hugely exaggerated debate on the alleged “land transfer” to
    Amarnath Shrine Board (headed by a non-Kashmiri, the Governor)? I have a different idea about integrating Kashmir with India —- link their destiny to the country’s prosperity by giving them jobs, investment and business opportunities in other Indian states. That’ll work better.

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  • Ryan Paul

    Usman,

    You can go to this link where you will find answers to all your questions. It was created and is being maintained by ex-muslims who want to enlighten the world what Islam is all about. I wonder if you can even go to this site as it is banned in most of Islamic countries for fear to exposing the true colors of this hate preaching cult. I will advise all to visit this site and see for themselves what ex-muslims have to say with their experiences with Islam. Believe me, it is an eye opener.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org

    Happy reading !!

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Ryan,

    What ever ex-muslims have to say, let it be their experience. It is their understanding and their fate and seriously I pity them. The truth lies in the philosophy of creation of this world/universe and if one starts out with an atheistic mind and follow the creation of world/universe certainly one will find answers to questions rising within. Horizons of mind will open up, then it is left to choose which is the correct religion describing God/gods.

    Religions have existed before/after Islam, one is free to have good study of any faith by following the authentic sources of religious scriptures and not looking at the followers. Non muslims have all the reason and right not to accept Islam and for muslims it is a difficult philosophy to practice and equally a tough responsibility to make atleast others aware of it. I believe it is their true test. . This doesn’t mean to put someone to sword if someone is not willing to accept. Let us not aggravate the argument and my question to Aftab was to present his arguments in the light of authentic scriptures rather than just creating menace. Hope that sums up the answer for everybody.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Why don’t you learn from experiences of Prophet Ali Sina (PBUH) and become ex-muslim?

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    Ryan Paul Reply:

    Usman,

    You are talking of an utopian world where individuals are free to choose and convert to a religion of their liking but in reality, it is totally different in almost all Islamic countries. And you may be aware that Quran proscribes the ultimate punishment for this blasphemy which is death.

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  • (Dr.) B.N.Anand

    Dear Vinod sharma ji
    I am sorry to say the therapy you suggested for integrating Kashmir with the rest of the country will not work. May be you have misjudged the psych of the Kashmiri people. They will enjoy the fruits of propserity of the country but would still unfurl Pakistani flag in Kashmir. The non unfurling of Indian flag at Lal Chowk this year on 26th Jan. under Kashmir militants pressure does not portend good signs. Look how Russia handled Chechnaya ? Of course, we do not want that to happen vis-a-via Kashmir, but the Indian govt. must not be all the times appeasing people like Gilani, Mirwaiz and Yasin Malik.,
    BNA

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  • r

    Find next Narasimha Rao more than a new finance minister.

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  • Purnachandra Rath

    No economist can solve the present economic problem, because the politicians are the impediments. The Megalomaniacs from the Indo Gangetic Plain,including Bengal, are bringing all hurdles in economic reform. The Central Govt led by MMS has no strong political to move ahead. They are busy to save the Govt, not to save the economy. The BJP and others are equally callous towards policy support. They want the UPA to be thoroughly unpopular so that they can come to power. So what can a Rangarajan, Montec or any body can do without a strong political will?

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  • kalyan Janakiraman

    Very happy, this information is being shared. The crux of India issue is lack of responsibility at every level and in every sphere of life. What is being witnessed in the political side of things is just a manifestation of this ingrained irresponsibility. . At this point in time of India, any sincere effort to bring transparency and responsible actions is a contribution in the right direction.

    I differ with most on the aspect stated on policy issues. In current India, it is thuggery, robbery, murderers, whitecollar thieves who drive policy. There is no grand policy plan as such in reality, even though it exists in paper. At this stage where India is, Any idea is OK. we can temper it once India returns to democracy, specifically when the people who care take charge.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    SOME OF THESE EXPOSE HAVE SHIELDED THE GREATEST SCAM UNDER PM MMSINGH WITH HIS OWN SIGNATURE THE GREAT COAL SCAM.
    NOTHING WOULD HAVEBEEN MORE CONVENIENT TO CONGRESS THAN THIS.MEDIA ,NEWSPAPER HELPED .WHILE EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE SHOUTED AGAINST MMSINGH OR JINDAL ,CONGRESS BLESSED MEDIA FOUND A WAY OUT IN LESS SIGNIFICANT ISSUES.
    IN ANOTHER ISSUE ,WHILE REMEBERING BIGGEST HUMILIATION OF INDIA BY CHINESE,I HAVENOT SEEN A GOOD ANALYSIS FOR REASON S OF DEFEAT OR HOW POORLY WE ARE PREPARED EVEN TODAY FOR ANOTHER EVENTUALITY.
    CHINA IS PROCEEDING IN MANY WAYS.
    BUT WE HAVE A DISGUSTING PM ,WHO TALKS OF GDP ONLY.
    HE DOES NOT MIND IF HEIS NOT INVITED TO OPENING CEREMONY OF BEIJING OLYMPIC ,BUT SONIA IS.

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  • vittal

    Some of the politicians are like cockroaches who are to be extinguished if only this country can recover from the current hopeless situation.

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  • facebook

    What Indians need to do is to VOTE OUT corrupt politicians from any party they represent. It sure is a herculian task. The dissgust that exists amongst people of India against corrupt politicians HAS TO BE converted into votes against them in the next elections. It happened in Egypt and it can happen in India. The question is how to spread the message to the poorest of the poor and deep into
    the small villages. I hope the educated, technology-enabled urbanites use the mass media. ARVIND alone can not do it for YOU all unless he gets help otherwise the the Jagannath machinery available to the ruling party with unlimited funds will steamroll Arvind’s young sprout of an opposition party.
    PLEASE GET UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER AND HELP BUILD INDIA OF YOUR DREAMS.

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  • rakhi

    good one for a change. just make sure your congress boss doesn’t cane you in the edit meet, you congress housekeeping lot.

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  • Anthonymuthu Xavier

    A few people enjoy, waste and pollute the environment to he detriment of all future generation. Natural resource is wasted in manufacture of goods not basically essential for human survival. Abuse of natural resources with the labor of the majority for the sensual satisfaction of the few leads the world to ultimate destruction, may be irreversible. Despite continuous warnings from science community and environmentalists against a bleak human future, greediness of man blinds the foresight.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/swaminathangeethamohan Swaminathangeethamohan Krishna

    WE NEVER REALISE UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE- BLIND TO FACTS AS EVER.

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  • http://twitter.com/sheulibose Sheuli’s_Free_Tarot

    The greedy industrialists are not easily satiated. Their greed is immense. The people, like Muslims, Jats and Gujjars are producing children like there is no tomorrow. Massive scale destruction/death is inevitable. Many innocent like us may die, but so will many sex-hungry and devious communities will be eliminated. Thank for that..Don’t give any money to orphan and poor children..let them die. have no mercy..

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    a Reply:

    you are a hateful psycho. please go and die.

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  • Disgusted Desi

    Everyone knows that autorickshaws and tempos are some of the most polluting vehicles in India (both emissions as well as sound pollution). The govt sees no evil, hears no evil, smells no evil … all because they are paid heftily by the likes of Bajaj and other automakers and industrialists to not pass any anti-pollution legislation. In other cases, many small scale industries (like the tanning industry in Agra) are massive polluters but they represent a good vote bank. Sugar mills are another example … where the pawar family has most of the controlling interests.

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