Aman ki Asha: marketing peace with Pakistan



Individuals and institutions aren’t easily given to rethinking their approach. Not at least while riding a bandwagon driven by popular sentiments. What’s popular is saleable— even if it amounts to peddling hatred. Influential sections of the Indian media did exactly that post-26/11 in the belief that hardcore nationalism and Pakistan-bashing was what their audience desired as a staple diet.

An instant casualty of this blinkered approach was a balanced public debate on how to go about dealing with Pakistan. Some of the leading TV news channels and newspapers engaged in competitive belligerence: Why should we talk to them? They are a country of murderers, Hindu-haters and terror-traders; let them meet the fate they deserve.

From the marketing angle, it was presumed that most urban-bred Indians were prone to seeing blood and couldn’t stomach the idea of a dialogue with the western neighbour.

The widely propagated no-truck-with-Pakistan theory turned peacemaking into a perilous task with protagonists’ such as yours truly reduced to a minuscule minority. Getting bombarded by hate mail became a daily affair.

It showed as much on TV chat shows as in blogs and newspaper columns. To my horror one night, I found the anchor of a relatively lesser-known news channel deriding on my face my arguments for a reasonable approach that’s at once holistic and not centered around the persona of LeT’s Hafiz Sayeed who masterminded the Mumbai carnage.

The anchor, a thorough gentleman whom I’ve known for nearly three decades, got swayed by his predilections, forgetting that his task was to moderate the discussion, on the other end of which was a former Intelligence Bureau chief rated highly for his soft presentation of a hard-line agenda.

I walked out of the TV show during the break but wasn’t the least surprised by the anti-Pakistan sentiment that had me at the receiving end of the anchor’s disdain. Such lonely moments haven’t been rare all these months. They have become for me a way of life.

Amid such despondency has come aman ki asha— a hope for peace project the Times of India launched on January 1 with Pakistan’s Jang Group.

To be honest, the ToI hasn’t been my first choice for news on or about Pakistan since their 2004 campaign against the Indo-Pak friendship cricket series the Vajpayee regime promoted as a major people-to-people confidence building measure. After the Mumbai attack, the newspaper, like most of its contemporaries, became even more intemperate to remain in step with the popular sense of hurt and betrayal.

I couldn’t therefore imagine in my wildest dreams that the ToI would ever have the courage to share with its readers the hope for the day when “words like Pakistan, India and love will not seem impossible in the same sentence.”

It’s a risk the media partners from either side of the border have taken. Public opinion isn’t always easy to navigate. But the test of a leader is in attempting it.

I’d be happy even if aman ki asha is another marketing gimmick. The only way forward for India and Pakistan is to make peace-making a good business. Then alone will others follow their example.

Trade, as they say, is the worst enemy of war.

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  • Nikhil

    Dear Vinod,

    The new attempt to revive the Indo-Pak peace process exploits the Indian tendency to allow hope to triumph over facts or experience. In my view, ‘Aman and his Asha’ may get rich but they cannot see the forest for the trees. Our over reliance on the people-to-people contact and the cross-border events has distracted us from addressing the core problem; the military-jihadi complex in Pakistan.

    So, let us have a lofty peace process and some sugar coated reports about Pakistan, which will help manufacture new understanding of our old neighbor. This may also help reduce the hostilities in TV debates directed towards people like you. However, in all the bonhomie, let us not lose sight of dismantling the military-jihadi complex in Pakistan that wants to destroy the idea of India as we know it.

    Thanks.

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  • Rajiv

    @Sharma Ji,
    Let me say, I make my opinion of Pakistan, not reading Indian media, but after reading Pak media.
    I read Dawn, Nation, Jang and Dailytimes from Pak regularly. The Pak establishment ( Army, ISI and its civilian government ) in concert with the media, continue to peddle devilish lies about India, every day.
    These lies include, India violating Indus accord, India involved in bombings against SL cricketers, Lahoire bombings, Karachi bombings, Baluchistan, Swat etc.

    The charges that Pak interiror minister and Pak foreign office regularly hurl at India in Pak media, display a throughly and wilfully dishonest party.
    Anyone following the Mumbai terrorist attack should know by now that its not Hafiz Mohammad who masterminded the terrorist attacks – its the Pak state and its army – who used LeT to mount numerous terrorist attacks against India – from Mumbai to Delhi to Kabul to Ahmedabad etc.
    The investigation into Dawood Gilani , alias Headley, has exposed how top Pak army officers masterminded the attack and Pak has mounted yet anathor farcical, duplicitous and sham trial.

    Even in light of such mountain of evidense, Mr Sharma, continues to peddle lies , absolving the Pak state of terrorist crimes and characterizing factual appraisal of Pak as hate mongering !.

    I have just one question of Sharma and other apologists of the Pak state.

    Is Pak state involved in terrorism against India ?
    Is Pak state ( army and ISI ) honest about peace with India ?
    Is Pak state, wilfully dishonest in its dealings with India ?
    Can negotions , against a wilfully, cunninmg and dishonest entity , do more harm than any good ?

    All I ask is Indian politicians and media, be honest in its appraisal of the Pak state. Only then can it formulate a effective policy. Hope Mr Sharma will respond , as he has evaded all tough questions so far.

    Mr

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    First of all, please come down from the high pedestal you always tend to occupy without evident merit or wisdom. The “I” in your first sentence makes it appear that this blog is a rejoinder to your comments. Pl disabuse yourself of this notion.
    My brief point is about creating a vested interest in peace on both sides of the border. Nothing else nothing more. I want unidimensional thinking on the issue to end so that we come up with a well-thought long-term strategy that addresses the points you have underscored in your comment above.
    Does that satisfy you? If not, you’d have to make do with it for the time being.
    Vinod

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    SN Reply:

    Rajiv,
    In my opinion, I don’t think the writer is absolving Pakistan of anything. That is not the tone of this blog and certainly not the impression I got from reading it.
    The point is that Pakistan is our neighbour. So, unfortunately, we cannot ignore it. We can, either, be openly hostile or continue to try and engage them, consistently, in the hope that there will be a breakthrough at some point. The constant anti-Pakistan rhetoric in the media only satisfies one of our urges – to vent the frustration each of us feels. But, I do not see any avenues where options are discussed/debated. What concrete steps should we take going forward – pros/cons etc? Are our intelligence and defense capabilities being efficiently utilized and what can be done to push for a better security cover?
    Blaming Pakistan and our politicians is all good for a couple of days after the fact – but, we keep finding ourselves in the same situation year after year because we do not show the same passion towards the other side of the issue – which is our response and next steps.

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  • Gopi Thomas

    We should not spend our energy on Pakistan – period. We have the right to defend our country; and we should defend our borders.

    No country has a right to exist – Pakistan, by its own actions, has proved that. There is nothing we can do to stop their self created “non-existence”.

    Hope is not a straegy. We have spent so much energy on hope — “this time theyw ill come throughh”.. As RAjiv mentioned, untila nd unless the institution of army changes, nothing is going to change in Pakistan regarding their view on India. There is no meaning in dealing with any elected politician or even the dictator. Even USA says they do not know whom to deal with.

    There is no meaning in India involving in anything, unless that involvement will result in a “total regime change”. The 60 years of hatred institutionalized by the Pakistan army cannot be wiped off, unless a majority of the officers are replaced.

    We should focus on our affairs, increase the monitoring of borders, be well prepared for an attack if it happens, and leave Pakistan to Pakistanis. If Pakistanis could not fix PAkistan, and US could not fix Pakistan, why does Voinod think others can fix it.

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  • Rohit

    Why people like you always think they know more tHan a common man? Why you people have no respect for a common man’s understanding of events ? from where all of a sudden this stupid Aman ke asha has arrived on scene ? Who is telling you guys to write about anything ?
    i am not a narrow minded person whose patriotism hinges to pakistan factor nor am unaware of benefits of peace and co oepration in the neigbhouhood.But I want to know from you :

    Mr Sharma do you really believe that an attack of 26/11 magnitude can take place without active support of army/ISI of pakistan ? It is an act of war.
    Do you or your friends realise that india exercised utmost restraint and did not attack Pakistan irrespective of consequences ?
    Are u aware of summersualts pakistan performed before finally admiiting thier ppl r involved ?
    Do you know that pakistan will make sure no one is punished 9I ca bet u on dat)for 26/11 ?
    When vajpayee had signed lahore declaration where was the need for intrusion into kargil ? Over 500 jawans and officers had to lay down thier lives to get back indian territory ?
    Do you know not even a shred of evidence has been officialy handed over to india for its alleged involvement in balchstan? why they keep on saying ?
    Do you know that dozens of articles in internatinal media were published by leading think tanks/experts/consultants about triaing camps in Pakistan ?
    Are they repentent for kargil or 26/11 ?.
    eeven if I remove terrorism from my list there is no good case for me to forgive them. There creditbily is zero. US is attaching more and more conditions to aid . Why ? No trust. Whom you will talk ? who is in charge ? neither the public nor mullah/ miliary goondas nor politicians have development on agenda. They ave parity with India and kashmir on agneda.No one is innocent in pakistan. I dont buy their stories of victimhood.

    So dont tell us what to do with them.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rohit,
    I talk about people to people contact with Pakistan to mobilise the right-thinking people there. And while doing so, I am not condoning the actions of terrorists or their supporters in the ISI or the Army.
    U have to understand this basic point to make me engage with to further. Fine?

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    (Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji
    Sir, it is very unfair that a lead in the form of a dictate is given by the media to the people for following “Aman Ki Asha” while the brave Jawans of Indian army shed their blood on the borders. They are not shedding blood simply for the media people to take up such useless projects. That is an insult to the sacrifices of our soldiers while we engage in such time wasting activities. Let us face the facts. As you must have found that the majority of people who comment on your blog about advocating more of people to people contacts do not approve of your efforts. The same set of people like Asma Jahangir, Kuldeep Nayar and your goodself are often seen again and again at various seminars without any new face ever having joined in such projects. As long as the mindset of ruling political classes in both countries do not change, the people to people contacts will be of little use and is not likely to change the situation. The Pakistan ruling class did shed crocodile tears for 26/11 Mumbai carnage and but now again talks of waging a thousand year war against India on the issue of Kashmir.
    Did you not see the glee in the eyes of every Pakistani after 26/11 and the virulent compaign against our country on Pakistan Tv channels at that time.The same media now propogates the virtue of peace. No one minds peace but it has to come with dignity. The peace makers like you and other media people can wait till the matters clear up on political level..
    Let us first live in peace by ignoring each other by adopting a beningn neglect attitude to each other. Let the frozen relations between two countries then thaw slowly and in the meantime let every one from both sides do honest introspection. We have had enough of Hindi-Chinni Bhai Bhai tamasha and let there be no more any of such tamasha with respect to both of our countries.
    With regards
    Yours Sincerely
    (Dr.) B.N. Anand

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  • Vikram

    Every peaceful and conciliatory action towards pakistan will be treated with derision, disdain and will be manipulated to inflict more harm on the ‘poor, skiny, dark, idol worshipping heathens’ and this will be the policy of not only the pakistani jihadi fringe element but also of the so called educated classes from karachi lahore UK and US.

    The shameless lot will have no qualms about earning money from us – **** musicians, singers, cricketers, commentators but make no mistake that the same guys will be donating to Islamic ‘charities’ and Kashmir relief funds when the return back home. Killing the non believer is continuing the Lords work, for them.

    Maybe sharmaji you should be focusing your immense knowledge about your friends and brothers separated at birth in devising ways to counter their evil na-pak designs.

    TOI is a shameless publication and will sell the interests of its people and country for the sake of making a few more bucks. This stupid new so called initiative will fizzle out in a few weeks after some inane comments and editorials from the usual suspects. most probably after the latest massacre commited by your aman ke messengers

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Vikram,
    What you say has an audience today. Much of your skepticism is born out by the activities of many Pakistani agencies and extremist elements. But we have to deal with it realistically. And for that, we need to strengthen anti-Jehadi, pro-India opinion within Pakistan. I am convinced it can be done. And must be done to fight the threats emanating against us from that country.

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    Vikram Reply:

    Dear Sharmaji,
    What I am also trying to say is that it is not only the fringe – the agencies and the elements but the overall populace (inspite of whatever they say in surveys) which supports such activities overtly or covertly. Do you really think the agencies and jihadi organiations could flourish and survive for so long without the tacit support of the majority ?? I know you would like to believe that ‘all people are basically good’ and I would like to for my own sake but unfortunately that is just not true.
    Some people are evil and they have the will to do evil, a vast majority of the people would do evil if they can get away with it and only very few people are genuinely good and they will not do anything whatever the reward to do otherwise or whatever the pressure. This is true not only for pakistan but also of India. We are only worried about what they do since in this case we are at the receiving end of it.
    SO for deterring this vast majority we have to counter each and every tactic of their’s which is bleeding us at minimum risk or cost. We have to make it expensive for them to hurt or allow their people to hurt us.
    • Financially – undercut all their trade items, make it difficult for intl companies who deal with P to operate in India, block international Aid, no direct trade
    • Socially – do not have any sports contact with them, no cultural visits,
    • Militarily – a 10 fold response to any provocation/ attack
    Let their silent selfish majority tell their govt what would be in their interests. Let us articulate the carrot and demonstrate the stick. Till then they will use us and also hurt us.

    Sharmaji Why would this not be realistic. Where in the history of mankind have you seen good people truimphing over evil with their good words and intentions alone ? (pl not the example of Satyagraha – if the british were not weakened by world war 2, threatened by Indian army mutiny or crippled by total disobedience – taking lathis alone passively would have never given us independence)

    btw, A very Happy New Year to you Sir :)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Vikram,
    Have a great new year. I take the substance of your argument but believe nevertheless that as a responsible and respected power, India has to be tough but not beyond the point where our actions lead to our isolation internationally. The world believes that attacks against India emanate from Pakistani territory and are organised by elements within the establishment and their props in militant/ terrorist outfits. But they have no evidence that the elected government itself is culpable.
    It is for this reason that we have to regulate our responses in order not to come across as aggressors. In that event, the very elements that are hostile to us will go to town obfuscating the provocation and highlighting our reaction to it.

  • Atul

    Even if it is a marketing gimmick, it has been well thought. The opening sentence of the joint statement of the two publications clearly underscores the inevitability of peace and the resistance to it at the same time.

    I went through the blogs of Pakistan & India and found that there is more optimism in Pakistam than India towards peace. However the people to people response is positive, for whatever it is worth. It appears that Pakistan want peace more than India.

    If India has to progress towards being a world power, peace with neighbours has to be a top level agenda item. We will delude ourselves if we believe we can overcome despite Pakistan.

    There was a time when political compulsions on both sides required anti neighbour rabble rousing so that the Political incumbents could deflect the heat away from themselves and get some breathing space. Now, both sides have fragmented leaderships, and their respective oppositions are keeping them internally busy.

    Whilst I remain circumspect about its outcome, I wish & hope that it succeeds.

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Atul,

    We Indians depend too much on hope and on hype. India has not done unecessary rabble rousing, stopped Pakistanis from visiting India or made plans to build a Berlin wall at the border. Ironically, our excessive reliance on the people-to-people contact has distracted us from the military-jihadi complex in Pakistan that stonewalls or sabotages every peace gesture. As a consequence, many Indians are not exuberant about the revival of Indo-Pak peace process because it does not make Indians safer or Indian borders more peaceful. I’d rather prefer India spend its resources on neutralizing the threat from the military-jihadi complex and not get distracted in the hype generated by the prospects of the revival of the peace process.

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    Atul Reply:

    That is certainly one point of view. The problem is that we cannot afford a military confrontation for a multitude of reasons. However, I support a covert operation to neutralise the jihadi complex.

    As of now, there are enough terror attacks all over Pakistan to cause them sufficient grief. The military will begin to weaken.

    My question to you is if Pakistan extends their hand of peace, would you take it?

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    Nikhil Reply:

    Atul,

    To answer your question, I’d put the composite dialog on the backburner until India has enough confidence on defending itself against the military-jihadi complex in Pakistan. The ability of the Indian forces to mount covert strikes is overly exaggerated. In short, we cannot take out the cross border training camps or the bad guys through surgical strikes. Let us cross that option out.

    It’s not as if India and Pak do not talk with each other if the composite dialog is stalled. If you follow the news, you may know that India, Afghanistan and Pakistan continue to have several rounds of the track-2 dialog. Such measures help address humanitarian issues and gauge the threat levels among other things.

    Instead of our hurry to kiss and make up with Pakistan, we should focus on how to help and to aid Bangladesh in every way possible in return for its recent cooperation on terrorism. Let us not forget that Bangladesh is also a theater of the Pak based jihadi outfits and the new Bangla govt wants to improve ties with India despite bitter opposition from religious parties. An improvement in the Indo-Bangla relations will also send out a signal that India will accomodate interests of its neighbors in the quest for a peaceful sub-continent.

    Atul Reply:

    Basically, the answer is no.

    Cheers

    Nikhil Reply:

    Atul,

    Yep, not yet!

    gautam sehgal Reply:

    Atul
    When you can’t afford a military conflict, why send troops to get killed? Why get them killed when the rest of the country feels war cannot be fought?
    How would you feel if you were in Kashmir where your best friends got killed, their wives were widowed and children orphaned, and you read in the news that most people feel war cannot be fought?
    Then withdraw all army from the borders and please don’t get them killed. They have children too.

    gautam sehgal Reply:

    I guess my point is that we can’t treat our armymen like a paid chowkidar to stand at the door. if someone kills the chowkidar, you have to come out and fight. That is called having respect for your soldiers and self respect of the nation.
    Creating public opinion, like minded people etc are all big words to hide a small fact, we all think war is not doable.
    Then continue to suffer in silence and have pity on the poor guys in uniform and stop treating them like cannonfodder.

  • vijay kumar

    I don’t know why a group of idiots are obsessed with peace with Pakistan. Some time back when the evil jehadis attacked our freedoms in Mumbai, some of them put a red tilak on their foreheads. The basic idea was that since ll of them were suicide bombers they all would be dead and the blame would go on to some Hindu organisation.

    It was our pure luck that an intensely evil man like Kasab ws caught. Otherwise our innocent peaceniks would have had a field day trying to blame HInduism for this attack; infact a thoroughly corrupt man like Antulay tried this trick soon after, by casting aspersions on our security services. While publicity seeking Arundhati Roy tried to make light of these attacks by writing a nonsensical article in the UK Guardian, saying that the attack was not on “symbols of India” but on a certian rich class, so it should not disturb anybody.

    But why do we need peace with Paadistan? Why? Why?? WHYY??

    It is better to put our energies to dismantle Pakistan as it is an evil enterprise out to blow up the world.

    In fact what we need to do is a REVERSE BRAINWASH of the Pakistani citizens so that they stop loving their suicide bombers and start loving humanity instead.

    Mr Vinod Sharma, my uncle, may have nostalgic memories of eating Kebabs witha few Pakistani friends and spouting Iqbal, but has few words of solace for all the innocents the evil state of Pakistan kills worldwide.

    Any comments Vinod Uncle? Give me an answer. Don’t dodge…

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Sulking Boy try and be a bit sunny. Read my blog again. Me too talking of reverse brainwash. Learn to read and understand the right intent. Just don’t mindlessly shoot off bile son.

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    Vikram Reply:

    Nice one Vinodji. u can also comment like Gen X. :D

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  • Rajiv

    60 years of wishful thinking and a inane policy towards Pakistan, has also helped in creating the thug and deceitful state of Pakistan.

    The first thing to understand is that, unless Pakistan seperates the state from its religion, its identity and existence depends on hate mongering against those who are not Muslims. Its a basic fact. Thats why its so important that in India we stress the secular aspect of our polity.

    The Pak state is currently fashioned itself as a Islamic state and thats it only identity. Mr Sharma , would only reluctantly concede that its the Pak army and ISI thats involved in terrorism against India. Mostly he prefers to keep quiet on the topic. The point to understand is that its the Pak army and ISI that rule Pakistan and its politicians are just a begging unit to collect aid from rest of the world to feed the army. The vile lies that Pak civilian ministers utter regularly against India , particularly its interior minister and foreign minister, expose those who say that there is any viable peace constituency in Pakistan. Those wilful lies mean only one thing. There is absolutely no chance , that negotiations with such a ideologically thug entity would yield any results. Past 60 years are testomony to that.

    The best course is total dis-engagement. India cannot go to war as it would not solve the problem as the issue os with the basic character of the Pak state. India should diplomatically urge USA and the West to providing aid to a state sponsorer of terrorism.

    Movements like ‘Aman ki Asha’ and such proponents, however well intentioned, only serve Pak interests by mudding the waters, obfuscating the stark differences today that identify the Pak state and India and give legitimacy to one of the most vicious and vile states ever.

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  • vijay kumar

    Pakistanis always believe that Indians will give up their hard stance after a few months and some idiots will yearn for mushiaras, free kababs and cross border jhappies. Maybe that is what is happening.

    Nothing changes in Pakistan. It is still committed to promoting terror in Kashmir and rest of India.

    Will Aman ki aasha turn Hafeez Saeed into a dove? Will it make Dawood give up thuggery and smuggling and become a seller of mithai? Will Azhar Masood become a nursery teacher who sings Johny Johny yes Papa?

    Only fools would believe that the ISI and Pak army and the brainwashed suicide bombers are about to convert into good taliban….

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    Vikram Reply:

    Haaaaaaa nice one “yearn for mushiaras, free kababs and cross border jhappies.” I am gonna to use that one sometime buddy hope u dont mind .. though maybe a plate of reaaally nice kababs can make me love anyone … until i polish them off that is :)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Vijay only serves hot seekhs without kebabs. So how does one befriend him? Pl advise.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Vijay has the Indian flag painted on his chest and does NOT capitualte before a terrorist state.

    Deear Vinodji, come on. Do you really think a lasting peace is possible with the thug state of Pakistan as long as it believes it can wrest Kashmir through terror? As long as it believes it can destroy India through a thousand cuts? As long as it has goons like Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed as its mascots or should I say Mukhota?

    A few thousand plates of Kababs may be eaten but the Pakistani position remains same– a non Muslim is an infidel who needs to be converted or killed. C’mon, let us not waste time with this evil entity.

    In the end we will end up lowering our guard adn the Pakistani establishment would use this as an oppurtunity to hurt us by killing more of our innocent, men, women and children.

    I am trying to convert you to become a realistic non- believer rather than an innocent belielever in the innocence of the Pakistani ISI, generals and their cohorts like zaid Hamid.

  • Rajiv

    Some lessons for Mr Sharma.
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    Every Pak president, inckluding Zardari today said, there would be no peace in South Asia, without resolving Kashmir.
    Pak army chief says , no peace possible with India until Kashmir issue is resolved.
    Pak foreign office, issues one statement everyday, about peace not possible in S Asia, without resolving Kashmir.
    After every terrorist strike in India, everyone in Pak , issues the same statement, No peace possible without resolving Kashmir.

    What they are actually saying is that they will prevent any peace with India, until Kashmir is resolved to their satisfaction.

    Has Mr Sharma ever wondered why India does not ever say, No peace possible in S Asia without Pak giving up occupation of Pakistan occupied Kashmir ??

    For the elements in Pak , that control the Pak state, resolution of Kashmir means India giving Kashmir to Pak. When they say, no peace possible without resolving Kashmir , what they are saying is that the Pak state will continue to create disturbance and violate peace through terrorist attacks all over India, until Kashmir is resolved, ofcourse to their satisfaction.

    I would assume Mr Sharma is intelligent enough to comprehend that.

    Its that congenital obsession with Kashmir and with Allah and Atom Bomb, that has reduced the Pak state to its current state. India has vested interest in a peaceful , prosperous entity or entities in our North West. We have no interest if its one or many entity or what its name is.

    Let Pakistan resolve its own problems and let not Indian politicians and media fool its people until the day Pak state says, ‘peace is possible with India, even while Kashmir issue is un-resolved’.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Lessons for Vinod Sharma from Rajiv? Well, well….For your information Indian Parliament passed a resolution in 1994 or thereabout laying claim on the Pak side of Kashmir. That’s our fundamental position that we keep repeating through periodic assertions about J&K being an integral part of India. But reaffirmation of claims by us or Pakistan does not settle the problem. It has to be discussed and resolved keeping intact the national pride of India and Pakistan while addressing genuine grievances of the people of Kashmir. If that doesn’t make sense to you dear friend, then go take a long walk along the LoC.

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    Rajiv Reply:

    You missed the central point.

    India says peace is possible, even without Pak vacating PoK.
    India , does not take any hostile measures to reclaim it.

    Pak says , peace not possible, unless India resolves Kashmir ( ofcourse to its satisfaction).
    Pak not only says that, then actively engages in sponsoring , arming, training terrorist groups and gives refuge to every criminal, as long as the criminal has killed a few in India !

    From Dawood to hijackers of Indian airlines to numerous LeT terrorists working in collaboration with ISI and Pak army — all are prized assets of the Islamic entity of Pakistan.

    If you cannot see the stark difference, God help you.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    Pl speak for yourself for you aren’t aware of facts. When did India ever say that Kashmir can be resolved without Pakistan vacating PoK? Pl give a link or shut this conversation.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Rajiv,
    Pl speak for yourself as you aren’t aware of facts. When did India ever say that Kashmir can be resolved without Pakistan vacating PoK. Pl give a link to prove it or shut this conversation.

  • http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com Shah Alam Khan

    Dear Mr. Sharma,
    You are absolutely right, Aman ki Aasha comes as fresh whiff of air. At least someone is thinking of peace. Peace has the savagery of frustrating the most ruthless of rulers, the most hardnosed of despots and definitely most sure of the jehadi bombers. Having said this I have my doubts on the sincerity of peace efforts from the Pakistani political class. Why would a lame duck, corrupt Pakistani president make any effort to solve long pending issues with India? More so when Kashmir is a pretext to divert the innocent masses into a mind boggling hysterical paranoia; taking away attention from the common pressing social problems. The audacity of suicide bombers which promotes violence and bloodshed is a kind of celebration in the region. To a bystander like me this appears a loss of hope and faith. But on a counter argument, like oyu have always argued, we don’t have any other option. I would quote a famous saying, peace cannot be hoped for; it has to be ushered through darkness like the morning rays.
    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    Read my Blog: http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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    Vikram Reply:

    Dr sahab there are some other options mentioned above to realistically acheive peace by not giving in to or rewarding the thugs but on our own terms and by making the evil doers pay.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @Dr Khan
    rather than concentrating on peace with Pakistan , Indians should think about strengthening their nation both strategically and militarily and controlling pro-Pakistan elements within the nation such as yourself Mr Khan

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks for labelling me an Antii National Paritosh. Not your fault. The mis-adventures of Muslim fundamentalists and the behaviour of Muslims in general have raised suspicion on every person with a Muslim name. I have adapted to ignore such provocations both within and outside India. Hope things will change one day!
    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi

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    Rajiv Reply:

    No you are no anti-national. I hope no one here is called those names , just for having a different opinion. I truly believe that there are many Muslims in India , who are more patriotic than I am.

    Paritosh Reply:

    @Dr Khan

    things will change only when Muslims take Pakistan out of their minds, behave respectfully with the Hindus and start considering themselves as Indians first and Muslims later.

    @Rajiv
    you are a typical non-Muslim Indian living in fool’s paradise of secularist liberalism. the true patriotic character of Muslims was evident when they began bursting crackers on Pakistan’s one- day match cricket victory in the early 1990’s and the recent Fatwas issued by the Islamic seminaries against Vande Mataram.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Paritosh,
    U have really got my goat. Who are you? Give your full antecedents? I suspect your comments on this blog are meant to help anti-India forces that keep on propagating that Indian Muslims are second rate citizens abused, threatened and humiliated by the majority on a daily basis. Your comments are blatantly communal and would be used by them in international fora to demean India and all Indians.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @Vinod

    what is this “anti-India forces”?? why are you so reluctant to say “Pakistanis” ??

    i dont comprehend why are you liberals so much concerned about what would the world think of us. its only this attitude that cost us those historic disasters with Pakistan.

    you say that they will use them in the international arena , as if though Obama is gonna question Manmohan Singh about “the situation of minorities in India” because of my comments.

    vinod sharma Reply:

    @Paritosh
    I asked you for an introduction but you continue playing the Trojan Horse. Why are you reluctant to come out of the veil? Do you have something to hide?
    The comments you make and the language you use make you a big asset in any anti-India campaign on the state of minorities in India. You aren’t a champion (of any cause). You are a charlatan.

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Paritosh,

    You do not have a monoply of patriotism. Stop insulting people on religious lines. There are good muyslims and bad people.

    India has good relations with many countries with a majority of Muslim populations.

    Every religion has a right to exist in India.

    We have a problem with Pakistan and so do many other countries. We suffer more because we are their neighbours.

    In my own experience, and I am talking of ground realities, most Indian Muslims hate what Pakistan is doing. Some are probalbly more patriotic than you.

    Anyway the Indian example of secularism has to be made truely successfull, if a multi religious world has to survive.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    When I said good Muslims I meant people who are tolerant to other religions and other ideas; people who are fundamantelists and believe in forcible conversions, suicide bombings etc are NOT religous people but plain mad and need psychiatric treatment or punishment. Most Indian Muslims I know are not involved in this.

    Why paint them with this brush?

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @vijay kumar

    “In my own experience, and I am talking of ground realities, most Indian Muslims hate what Pakistan is doing.”

    and you believed them. Indians can be easily fooled because they are naive

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  • Amit

    Dear Vinodji,
    For the life of me, I just fail to understand why Pakistan cannot prosecute the Let operatives that they have arrested. That would put to rest any media machinations that you speak of. Is there anything wrong in asking for the guilty of 26/11 to be prosecuted? That is the least that a sincere Pakistani government can do. Could you please throw some light on this. Otherwise what you are advocating is not peace but some temporary unilateral ceasefire.

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  • http://incorrectpolitically.wordpress.com Akhilesh

    Dear Vinod Ji,
    I had stopped commenting on your articles because you had started writing on some innane issues recently. In a way it was good because, this deflected your attention from “peace-with pakistan” project. I infact, also hoped, that this break from “peace-mania” will give you time reflect on the various points raised by various commentators on your blog. In the process, I hoped, maybe some new wisdom will dawn on you in the new year and who knows – in the new decade you may become a refreshed man rather than continuing like a broken record.

    Alas !! All my dreams lay shattered because of what TOI did on 1st Jan 2010 issue. To you and your arguments – it was like providing a truck load of oxygen supplies to a dying man. Enough to last some time.

    And so you are back again with your usual arguments – war with Pakistan is not an option,united Pakistan is in India’s interest, there are peace loving people in Pakistan who just need little encouragement from India, etc, etc. Infact all these arguments have been debunked by various people earlier and even in the present blog, but Mr. Sharma continues to peddle his arguments unabated.

    A short while back, a very famous self proclaimed liberal, a fellow HT columnist and an acclaimed editor of HT – Vir Sanghvi wrote on this same issue. The article appeared on December 12, 2009 in HT. Now in past, Vir Sanghvi is a person who has taken views similar to Vinod Sharma with respect to Pakistan. However, I would suggest to all, including Vinod Sharma, to re-read this latest article. It is in many ways an excat replica of what most many of the respondents are saying even on the current blog article by Vinod.

    Vir Sanghvi questions every assumption that so called liberals presume as gospel vis-a-vis Pakistan. So he questions the assumption that war is not an option and he even questions the fundamental gospel that united and stable Pakistan is in India’s interest.

    To Mr. Sharma,

    I understand Sir, that you have very thin patience for people like me or Rajiv or Vijay or Vikram. In your view, we are people who are ultra nationalists, jingoistic or even bigots. That is why you dismiss all our arguments. I recommend however, that at least Vir Sanghvi will qualify to have a discussion with, on the uselessness of a peace initiative with Pakistan.

    Probably you will be educated that people from Pakistan, on whom you place most trust to deliver peace – the civilian elite (people to people contact waalas) are as complicit in this game as the military. The Maleeha Lodhis of the world, who talk peace with India, write article in New York Times, on how there is a good Taliban that needs to be engaged in dialogue and how Kashmir is central to all terrorism in Asia. And so is the double faced game of all peace waalas in pakistan.

    In short then, maybe you will come to realise then that no peace initiative with Pak will work unless the thinking of military-civilian structure in Pakistan is fundamentally altered

    And how will this be altered – in of the responses above, Vikram answers this question brilliantly when he asks you , “Where in the history of mankind have you seen good people truimphing over evil with their good words and intentions alone ?” Where indeed Sir?

    Unless the military-civilian complex of Pakistan is not made to realise through force, covert or overt, that their game is up, peace with Pakistan is just a chimera.

    Maybe if you start propogating this line, you may actually see peace in your lifetime. Would that not be a better result than wasting time on false hopes, aman ki ashas notwithstanding.?

    PS: Link to Vir Sanghvi’s article, for those who are interested.
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/viewsvirsanghvi/There-s-a-method-to-their-madness/Article1-485900.aspx

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Akhilesh,
    This blog site was really poorer while you wandered away. Thanx for returning to your favourite pastime of wanton firing. For your information, Vir never supported my line on Pakistan. He has a right to his view— like I have it to disagree with both of you.

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    Dear Vinod Ji,
    All right Sir, you absolutely have he right to disagree with both Vir and myself.

    But what about Maleeha Lodhi? I would presume that she is your foremost comrade-in-arm from across the border when it comes to people to people contact. It is these kinds persons that you so much place faith on – who will one day deliver both India and Pakistan from the vile grip of Pak military. Right?

    Here is the link to an article she wrote recently in New York Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/opinion/10iht-edlieven.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=maleeha%20lodhi&st=cse

    Her central argument – that the world needs to negotiate with Taliban for peace to return to that region. A person who advocates negotiation and compromise with Taliban? You really think people like her have any serious intent of promoting peace with India?

    Or what of people like Hussain Haqqani? Who once were exposing the military in journalistic books. And now are the defender in chief of the same military?

    Infact I would suggest, that the civilian elite of Pakistan are just a mukhauta of the vile and vicious Pak military. They are as vicious and as poisnous – just that they smile more. And that is why they are even more dangerous.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Akhilesh,
    I am not influenced by either Maleeha or Hussain Haqqani. By the way, the Bush administration was the first to talk about the possibility. In my view, such an approach will embolden the Taliban. If possible, the effort should be to divide them through payoffs other inducements.

  • vijay kumar

    Dear innocent uncle,

    I think with so much love for a Pakistani kabab and spouting Iqbal in your heart, you somehow tend to forget the misery the evil jehadis cause to India and to the world.

    I know you truely want to REVERSE BRAINWASH the suicide bomber who feels he is going to paradise by killing innocents. BUt it cannot be done by showing blind love to the fundamantelists who don’t want any other religion, (including liberal Islam) to survive.

    Remember Ajmal Kasab? He was boasting on TV that it was after his father convinced him to kill Indians, BECAUSE THE FAMILY NEEDED MONEY AND HIS SISTERS WERE TO BE MARRIED that he went on this mission.

    GR8! In the end it is ll about money, honey !

    Maybe you should make fun of all the evil parents who let their sons blown up, their organs smashed, just for five lakhs. Make fun of them, shame them, make fun of the Pakistanis who “convert them young” to kill.

    Then the REVERSE Brainwash would happen.

    Dear uncle, you had recently blamed Manmohan for weakening Zardari. Our Zardari uncle today claimed that they need a thousand years of war mindset with India. Should we blame ourselves for this also?

    Zardari uncle seems what we in Punjabi call “bhola.”

    Meanwhile as the Aman ki Asha is drummed up, fidayeen attacks have taken place in Kashimir. Maybe Aman ki Asha should say something about this.

    Look forward to hearing your wise advice on this…

    love and kind regards….

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Perk up, pl perk up dear. Those who blow themselves up to kill others want a war between India and Pakistan. I don’t hold brief for every statement made by Zardari. But I am convinced that we have to deal with elected people in that country and not deride them publicly as that will only embolden the army that by your own contention and also mine, is no friend of India.

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  • Usman Chaudhry

    Dear Fellows,

    I was quite all this time when Mr Vinod Sharma was fighting and defending his view and slogan to market peace with Pakistan. I believe he would still be at his best even all of India would disagree with him. Time tested and would make him even stronger, I support him for his cause and wish him success. I and other Pakistanis would support him on moral grounds.

    I agree with Sharma sahaab to deal with political face of Pakistan despite Nawaz Sharif was ignorant all the time Musharaff was planning Kargil. List would go on and on and might bring no air for me to defend my home infront of 1.16 billion.

    Why is Kashmir issue linked with peace? A lot might disagree but the fact is J&K as whole is a disputed territory acclaimed by UN and international community under India’s call in 1948. I pity those who say that Kashmir is integrated part of India at one hand and on the other once cried that it is disputed. Which country has this cry of disputed-integrated part. Everytime Pak asked to resolve Kashmir issue, India was happy to go by that what ever we control is ours and what you have is yours. I just dont have the words to say that what is this all about…. a joke? Pakistan stood all this time to talk for the whole, irrespective that would go India’s way or Pakistan’s way and by involving Kashmiries in this something which India doesn’t want. Hurriyat belives we dont want to be anyones part and independent. Something which both do not want and thus opening a new chapter in the story.

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    Gopi Thomas Reply:

    Usman

    Kashmir, like PAlestine, will remain an unresolved problem. We, in India, have other higher priority issues – educating our youngsters, maintaining a high growth so our growing popelation find meaningful jobs, creating national instituitions, protecting the country from internala nd external threats etc. We have done a reasonable good job at these; still a lot remains gto be done. Once all these are accomplished, we will review the Kashmir issue. We do not have an issue; it is PAkistan who is obsessed about this. Pakistan’s singular obsession about Kashmir has got them to the dustbin, Pakistan can continue to obsess ; we have other priorities. We are prepared for your spineless scoundrels who kill people here (and in your country).

    Let PAkistan solve their internal problems first before adding another problem!

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    This is not another problem, rather the oldest of all, something which we inherited after birth and fought three times. For the time being hide this under the carpet for your sake.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    C’mon Usman you got to be joking.

    You really have to delve into history to realise how wrong this attitude is. When the two countries were “seperated at birth” India chose to be secular while Pakistan wanted to become a home for “Muslims only.” So the Hindus and Sikhs of Pakistan were forcibly driven away and the population of Hindus and Sikhs in the area which now consists of Pakistan fell from 35 % to 6%. The balance was then either forced to convert so that their net population has become almost 2% in current Pakistan, now. Forcible conversions of HIndus is still on and often the women are kidnapped. Check this out in Sindh and other areas.

    The reverse did not happen in India. We tried to remain secular and DID NOT drive Muslims away from this country. Some Muslims from North India did go over, and there was some violence too, but a vast majority of the Muslims remained in India.

    In fact the population of Muslims in Inda has grown from 7% in 1947 to 13.4 % today.

    Now just because we did not follow the Pakistani model of forced expulsion, should we give up territory wherever Muslims are in a majority?

    Dear Usman, do not be so innocent. Your generals needed to whip up frenzy against India to justify military rule. That is the blatant truth.

    And today your generals and Maulavis are whipping up a frenzy that “Islam is being attacked” to deny you a liberal lifestyle with secular freedoms and gender equality.

    If you guys want to be friends with India, you will have to adopt a policy of accepting other religions and liberal face of Islam.

    That is it !

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    It was the ideology that drove people to leave their homes and go for either India or Pakistan. Jinnah, although secular, was the main driving force for muslims to achieve a separate homeland based on religion. He knew what he going for could not be the reason to run the state. Jinnah asked and reassured Master Tara Singh for sikhs to be with muslim state to which Tara denied. States were given the option of majority decides who to go with, Kashmir with 2/3 muslim majority voted for alliance with Pakistan. Junagardh also voted for such cause (but could make it) Eventually Punjab was divided into East and West. Three districts were forcefully given to India, Ferozpur, Amritsar and Gurdaspur.

    The state of Kashmir has strategic edge who ever wins it. Hari Singh sought alliance with India under the threat with tribemens attack from Pak side and had no respect for the muslim majority in Kashmir. He asked India to send troops, India would love to go by this and since then India claims it her part something which was due right of Pakistan. Injustice was done, Gandhi knew it and had to face the consequences to show soft corner for Jinnah and muslim state of Pakistan. Nehru (later Indra) had to teach Pakistan a lesson….. (wont continue purposely)

    In whole of this extract there is no verbal abuse to your secular India, I’m not a fool neither 160 million Pakistanis who curse India for its secular values. There are problems in rural areas of sindh (equally for muslims and hindus) at the hands of waderaass but no forced conversions. One out of many examples is Justice Bhagwandas (former acting supreme court’s judge of Pakistan) and now head of Federal Public Service Commision who belongs to Sindh.

    Generals and Mullahs (should go to hell). I have no respect for mullahs who chant slogans and want Pakistan to be hell. Either we (thorough some anti Indo-Pak forces) are being indulged to go into war against each other or we both love to see and fight. The later is not true in today’s case. Adios

  • Anil Kumar

    Mr Vindo Sharma routinely appeas on **** TV talk shows . Hence he is forced to write these utopian claptraps bereft of grind of reality..

    I say everyone has to right to earn his/her living . Sharma Jee is doing exactly that facts reality be damned..

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    anuradha chak Reply:

    Will Lohia’s dream of an Akhand Bharat ever come true? Maybe it can, for both the sentiment and the fundamentals can today be created for the reunification of India and Pakistan. The first step to an Akhand Bharat and the frst step to recreating a power that won two world wars for the British Empire.
    You may well ask why I say this? What event has led to this situation, Let us therefore take a look at the Ranganath Mishra Report.
    Today the Ranganath Mishra Commission report, tabled in the winter session of parliament, recommends 15 percent reservation for all minorities in government jobs, education and welfare schemes, of which 10 percent quota is for Muslims – the largest minority in the country. It was denial of reservations for Muslims which led to the creation of a Pakistan, today, if this is implemented in India, there are several lobbies both in India and Pakistan who have been silently working for the last few decades for the reunification of the two countries. Pakistan is a beleaguered and failed state and India cannot afford to have an enemy in Pakistan any longer, the choice before the two nations is simple, they have to reunite their house to survive the greater dangers that lie ahead.
    To give Muslims political protection Jinnah had demanded the inclusion of 14 points in the future Indian constitution that included 33 per cent reservation for Muslims in the legislature and also in the ministries and simultaneously there were other issues denied this he felt that his last effort to unite the two communities went futile. He then raised the issue of a separate state.
    It would be worth examining as to what the founding fathers say about reservations. Interestingly, both Sardar Patel and C. Rajgopalachari did vehemently support the charter of providing political safeguards to the minorities according to articles 292 and 294 of the 1949 draft constitution.

    The first person to raise this issue was Nehaluddin Ahmad the president of the All India Muslim Forum in 1993 and when Mayawati was CM she agreed to give Bacjward Muslims reservation, however soon things took a turn for the worse and Nehaluddin was arrested and jailed by Mayawati. Today the Misra Commission has raised the same issue.

    Today the Muslims are not the only minority that need reservation, there are Kashmiri Pundits, there are several castes and creeds, all these need to be addressed, There is also the creamy layer, they must be denied reservation at all costs. A government officials son must not be given the benefit of reservation for a government job as he is now part of the creamy layer, there are several things wrong with our present system of reservation and job quotas and we need to sort this out and in the process if we can end sixty years of enmity hatred and strife and recreate India United then why not.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Anuradha,

    Are you and Ajit Chak one? Most of your words are Ajit Chak’s words.

    Ref: http://talkindia.org/index.php/india/36-latest/78-will-india-and-pak-reunite.html

    Please spare some time to re go and come up with something more clear and within you own writing.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Anil,
    Do you live in the Himalayas or go around feeding orphans and getting widows remarried? If not, then keep to yourself your value judgement on what others do for a living. You want to appear on TV? In that case you’d need to undergo not just an audition test but also an IQ test.
    The way you talk about facts without sharing any is really laughable. Better rest your brains to come up with sometme cretive.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Anil,

    I think you are wrong in judging that Vinodji has been swayed by commercial interests to protray Pakistanis as saints being wronged by humanity. I have followed his columns since the ninties and I feel he gets swayed by emotions and feels that if India and Pakistan sit across the table and share kababs and talk to each other on level, then we would be brothers again.

    Trouble is he forgets that the Pakistanis come to the dining table with a dagger hidden in their shawl, to stab us in the back.

    The real villians of India are NOT innocents like Vinod Sharma, but idiots like Kuldip Nayar and Jawed Naqvi. Read their columns in Pakistani papers and you would feel that while Pakistan is lord’s peacefull heaven, India is boiling in rage and riots.

    Tch tch… all that for getting a few Pakistani rupees

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    Arshad Chaudhry Reply:

    It is sad to see so many negative sentiments about Pakistan. The vast majority of Pakistani’s are eager to have peace with India, we were one 60 odd years ago, let us work together and find synergies.
    Give peace a chance, even if you may have doubts, please don’t keep burning fires. We need that peace, every effort MUST be supported and if everyone comes together, we CAN make a difference.
    May God helps us in building bridge.

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    SID Reply:

    The “people” in Pakistan do not have a say in the policy making. Even if half their population supported piece, the other half would be training for more assaults on us. This is a marriage gone sour, and is better off being separated. As they say, never be friends with your ex.

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  • james

    well said anil kumar.if u look deep all these guys have selfish motives.they also have interests in being on the right sied of congress and business in muslim countries.let india be damned.

    parutosh is right.the religion says that muslims have to support other muslims against kafirs.96 % muslims asked for pakistan in 1947 for their pure religion these are facts.and no one has a vested interest in calling a spde a spade,unlike the congress an d their agents for the same reason that they dont hang afzal and kasab.its the vote bank stupid

    so people like vijay ,etc are just being fooled in order to appear nice.vijay would be weel advised to go kashmir,pakistan an dbdesh to fight for hindus who had rights to live there,instead of pontificating here with empty rhetoric.

    you are onlly concerned about muslims who have grown in india much faster,why this discrimination againts hindus vijay. chage your nme,at the end of the day u agree withislam who
    belive by the book that kafirs are slaves of islam.and why should only hindu majority india
    be stupid and decimate its own majority. because it tolerates people like vijay

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  • shahid

    parutosh is right.the religion says that muslims have to support other muslims against kafirs.96 % muslims asked for pakistan in 1947 for their pure religion these are facts.and no one has a vested interest in calling a spde a spade,unlike the congress an d their agents for the same reason that they dont hang afzal and kasab.its the vote bank stupid

    so people like vijay ,etc are just being fooled in order to appear nice.vijay would be weel advised to go kashmir,pakistan an dbdesh to fight for hindus who had rights to live there,instead of pontificating here with empty rhetoric.

    you are onlly concerned about muslims who have grown in india much faster,why this discrimination againts hindus vijay. chage your nme,at the end of the day u agree withislam who
    belive by the book that kafirs are slaves of islam.and why should only hindu majority india
    be stupid and decimate its own majority. because it tolerates people like vijay

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    James and Shahid seem one person with two names. Read their posts above and you’d find the similarity of language. Quite clearly, some people visiting this blog aren’t men but an assortment of masks.

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    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Cant judge who is who!!

    Sharma ji, it is my personal observation that your blog is under a viral or hacker intrusion as well besides double faced people.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear usman,

    You seem to have got all your facts from a Pakistani history book!

    You have to remember that Pakistani history books begin in the seventh century and assume that before the advent of Islam in the sub continent some sort of animal races were living here!

    That is funny :)

    Coming back I wish Pakistan well but sometimes wonder if you guys would be better if you become independent states since you need some sort of villian to justify your existence; the villian could be India for the generals to come marching in. Or liberal Islam. Or hinduism/Sikhs/Christianity?jews.

    Why don’t you hold a villian contest in Paksitan?? Ha ha ha….

    But seriously coming back to the issue, the whole world is now scared of a mad mad Pakistani establishment out to blow up the world with its nuclear weapons. It is possible that if the current state of things drifts on a UN force may occupy Pakistan to get hold of the nuclear esablishment.

    So is it not more important then to make Pakistan more secular and democractic? Why don’t you start an anti-suicide bombing school?

    Or maybe a REVERSE BRAINWASH school…

    If you want funds from India, we could ask our Minister to send you some:) C’mon… mate, Pakistanis need to murder a few hundred suicide bombers to show the world that they are willing to exterminate religious fundamantelism.

    Usman Chaudhry Reply:

    Greetings Vijay,

    I take your comments as compliment and would like to hear more on the histroy from you. I do know who existed before 7th century my comments were to let you know a brief about Kashmir issue, I hope I wasn’t biased but would like to hear what you have been taught in history about this in elementary school.

    Suicidal islamic fundamentalist have least knowledge about philosophy of Islam which marks suicide as haram (strictly forbidden).

    vijay kumar Reply:

    Dear Vinodji,

    You asked me on what I do for a living? well I am an environment engineer who works on cleaning India’s rivers and lakes. I don’t earn six figure salaries. But yes, I love my country.

    I know you mean well in trying to promote peace between secular, democractic India and fanatic dictatoriol Pakistan. But deep down everyone knows that no peace is possible if an evil republic like Pakistan is condoned for all the murders and treachery it does to humanity.

    Some Indians who were born in Pakistan try for peace on pure sentimental reasons. Even my grandfathe was from Sialkot, now in Pakistan. But he used to say that no peace is possible with the religious..” ideology of Pakistan which has no space for liberal islam as well as other relgions like Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Jews.

    People like Khuswant Singh or Kuldip Nayar try to promote peace from a position of cowardice– telling Pakistanis that you can go along with your business of jehad as long as you wine and dine us. Utter stupidity. Khuswant’s osition remained static since he had written “The train to Pakistan,” and to promote his book he could see goodness in evrything Pakistani. Even say in a person as totally evil as Gen Zia, labelling the general as “nek and deen.” Ne and deen my foot. The General was responsible for killing at least 10,000 Indians thorugh terrorism. Just becaus Khushwant ji managed to get invited to a lunch with the general, he became blind to the deviousness and treachery of an intensely evil man.

    I think you have fallen into the same trap. I am just trying to rescue you.

    Do you want to be resued?

    If you really want to promote peace with Pakistan have the guts to announce on their TV channels that they sholuld hand ove Masood Azhar, Dawood Ibrahin and Hafeez Saeed to India.

    Then, maybe there is a real chance for peace.

    By the way the Times of India is acting like a coward. Just beacuse Ajmal Kasab and his gang had plans to target the TOI in the Mumbai attacks, the Times is trying to buy peace by promiting the Aman ki aasha

  • vijay kumar

    The trouble with Pakistan is that while in India we are proud to call Gandhi, Nehru and Patel as our mascots, Pakistan has chosen Dawood Ibrahim, Masood Azhar and Hafeez Saeed as its ideological darlings.

    A thousand arguements and a million Aman Ki Asha’s cannot cannot change this truth.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    It is pure waste of time debating Mr.Sharma on pakistan. He is basically a naive punjabi who is always in nostalgic mode and can’t see reality.
    I sincerely don’t think that he has any financial interests in Pakistan.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Except a few cheque payments from the Pakistani TV channels?? :)

    C’mon Mr Sharma. U really are liberal. But just for clarifications to the sceptics let them know that you really do not get any money from the Pakistani channels.

    As for my personal views, I think Vinodji is an innocent liberal at heart and a bit naive; he will not see the difference between Aishwariya rai and a suicide bomber in case they come face to face with hi. :) :):)

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Vijay,
    Not that I owe an explanation to naughty men like you. But for record, no Pakistani channel or newspaper can claim to have paid me ever. I preach peace for free and with some honest rebuffs as well on their channels. In India, all those who appear on TV channels for comments and analysis do get paid and I am no exception. Satisfied? So please show respect for those who disagree with you.

    innocent post-script: what do you do for a liviing?

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    Akhilesh Reply:

    Thats quite a revelation Vinod Ji.

    You regularly ask people to come up with their antecedents. I still remember when you had tried to insinuate that I might be an American arms agent when I had shred your arguments apart – when basically you had agreed with Karat and his China love.

    Even in the present blog you have asked several people, their mode of living.

    So it is commendable that you have made your own disclosures too. However, I don’t personally think, that at least in your case, monetary considerations have any role to play in the views you take.

    In my view, most Indians, including you, cintinue to be gripped by Prithviraj Chauhan syndrome – of grandstanding and high pedastal preaching. We have paid the price of such moralising since the last 1000 years. So in a way, you are only following the time tested and discredited Indian statecraft model.

    Just a sidelight : Do only professional commentators get paid by Indian TV or do politicians, who appear on TV almost daily, also get paid. And by the way, how much?

    Rajiv Reply:

    Jinnah greatest service to India — was creating Pakistan.

    It has emerged as the dustbin of the sub-continent. The challenge for other nations is to keep the toxic state contained in the toxic container – and not let it leak and poison the neighbourhood, as it obviosly wants to do.

    India’s position should be zero contact with Pakistan.
    We wish it no harm nor do we desire any contact with it.
    Let Pakistan socialize and integrate with what Pakistan calls its ‘brothers’ in Saudi Arabia and serve the gulf states.

    Rajeev Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,
    I may not like Mr.Sharma’s view but I can see passion in his writings and such as passionate man can not sell his soul for few $$$..

    Pl. never question integrity of a person. It is worse than abuse.

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Dear Akhilesh,
    As a journalist, I earn my living from providing information. If you ask me so many questions, pl be prepared to pay. Ready?

    Akhilesh Reply:

    Vinod Ji,
    Unless you tell me how much to pay, how will I know whether I am ready or not? :)

  • Rajiv

    Forget India for a while. Forget its criminal obsession with Kashmir and its juvenile obsession with a-bomb.
    Pakistan has been living on alms from USA and other countries.
    Its a begger state.

    For last few months, diplomats from USA and pakistanis working in US consulates in Pak are been harassed daily, detained, their vehicles confiscated. The US administration has privately, publicly protested. But to no avail.

    The criminal, thug mafia, that rules Pakistan, ( also called as ISI and its army ) , is upto the only games it knows. The bottomline is, no civilized nation , can deal with such a scum entity which is wilfully deceitful to its core.

    Thats why I advocate, breaking of all contacts with Pak. Just like, you dont want to deal with a debauch and shameless neighbour and maintaining a distance is the best option — the same logic applies to the wilfully thug entity that Jinnah’s duplicitous ideology gave birth to.

    Any contact or dealing with Pak – can only result in getting deceived or defrauded.

    India should take that pposition and convince other nations to look at Pak conduct over past 60 years.

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  • Rajiv

    Even two sons , born of the same mother, can be dia-metrically opposite personalities.
    It happens often enough.

    That simple fact, is lost on people like Kuldip Nayar, Raj Mohan Gandhi or Mr Sharma etc, who refuse to accept that India and Pakistan – are states with dia-metrically opposite identities and aspirations.

    To put it bluntly, Pakistan’s perverted use of religion , its thug and corrupt military and its use of anti-India ideology to sustan itself – has corrupted that nation and reduced it to a ugly entity.

    Thats why, all policy formulations, that do not accept this basic fact are baseless and doomed.

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    maya Reply:

    comments on aman ki asha on another paper from low iq professionals in law,business,engineering,medicine unlike journalism which has high iq arts majors with 50 % lowest cut-off. u really need to be a highly intelligent person to be a journalist like english literacy and secularist who was trying peace for 20 years and still does even deaths of jawans, bomb blasts 26-11.no learning curve for such a high iq vinod sharama arts major.selfish too.he will dance around in pique and sarcasm if his ego is hurt by comments but no rebuttal from high iq.imagine how much dancing he will do if he loses his family like the other victims of peace moves from pak like 26-11.truly a high iq in a very competitive secularist job. all comments below r low iq unlike viniod with 50 % cutoff bottom ranked arts major

    Damodara Bhat,KSA,says:We should learn from countries like Saudi Arabia and Yemen in curbing the infiltrators. We should have “criminal law for terrorists”. What we have now is “criminal law for civilians”
    [9 Jan, 2010 1236hrs IST]

    ashvin,Mauritius,says:www.thereligionofpeace.com there can never be peace between pakistan and india; the reason is islam which most of you guys know but are afraid to say so becuase in todays world, it is more importnat to sound politically correct than being factually right. where there is islam, muslim will not rest in peace and cohabitate with their neigbour.they want dar e islam. example ( just from last 3 days ), burning of church in “moderate” malaysia, killing of copt christian im egypt,killing of animist in Sudan and many more… Pak (clean) people will always hate the najis (unclean) and mushreek (idolators)(india). that is why i heard from a friend that in some places in india, muslim is finding it to be haram to sing the national athem. there are more than 700 terrorists in india itself. you dont need search elsewhere. do you think the mumbai killings were assisted from terrorist of paksitani origin only? lol
    [8 Jan, 2010 2359hrs IST]

    aishma,london,says:islam is a real evil and vile religion, period. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com http://www.thethirdjihad.com http://www.faithfreedom.org (by Ali Sina show islam is a false religion)
    [8 Jan, 2010 2312hrs IST]

    StraightShooter,Shooting Gelary,says:Unless you have guts to smoke out your enemy, stay as a doormat and be trampled by everone… but stop whinning after becoming a doormat…
    [8 Jan, 2010 2251hrs IST]

    Nojizyatax,United States,says:When will the world wake up and unite against this terrorist “religion”. As long as one imam is free to preach ISLAM’s hate, no one is safe.
    [8 Jan, 2010 2016hrs IST]

    Ashutosh,Nagpur,says:Its not new for Governemtnt, previously also we had such information but we wait till THEY wont attact on us and kill some people or army personel. You and me cant do anything and government wont have time till this information converted into real story like attact on lal chowk.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1748hrs IST]

    Ross,wEST aFRICA,says:I do not agree with the these “Aman Ki Asha” there cannot be peace with pakistan AT ALL because of their wrong idelogy. Rather I support the idea “NO VISA TO ANY PAKISTAN NATIONAL OR EVEN KIDS OF PAKISTANIS IMMIGRATED TO OTHER COUNTRIES like hadley to avoid problems in india. Secondly India Must support: (1) Independence to Baluchistan (2) Independence to Sindh to teach pakistan another lession like 1971 and I am sure our govt. would take enough steps to protech OUR DEAR MOTHERLAND from these terrorist pakistanis.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1627hrs IST]

    Sunny Raina,Ludhiana,says:No wonder 700 terrorists are waiting to strike in J&K as all these people are nurtured, trained and funded in Pakistan and with the consent of the Pakistani establishment including its military and the so called government. Since 1947 Pakistan’s attitude towards India has been the same. It did not recognize the legal accession of J&K with India and since almost 63 years it is pursuing the strategy of hurting India in one or the other way. We have fought 4 wars with them and numerous border clashes and also India is battling the insurgency created by Pak since 20 years. Despite all these facts TOI has launched a campaign aman ki asha which will not change anything as generations have changed since 1947 but the mindset of every Pakistani is the same so basically it is wastage of time and money in talking about peace with Pakistan as the latter is continuing to hurt India and hence it is quite sure that Indo-Pak relations will never improve, no matter what.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1419hrs IST]

    Himanshu,Mumbai,says:I really miss Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. If he was alive today then we would be reading news ‘India proactively destroyed all terrorist camps in PoK’.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1344hrs IST]

    ashish,singapore,says:They are are not JIHADI but but hardcore terrorist and should be treated and called like this only
    [8 Jan, 2010 1335hrs IST]

    Kalki,SEA,says:India needs to be like Israel in giving it back to these barbarians.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1314hrs IST]

    Sanu,BLR,says:India should fund and arm the Balochs and other groups in pakistan, we need to soon see Pakis out of the face of the earth
    [8 Jan, 2010 1252hrs IST]

    sunny,Paris,says:But Indian ministers just reported to Parliament session that terrorist act have declined in JnK and army have been withdrawing. Also, JnK State govt abandoned anti-terror office before it can take any physical shape!! Govt Ministers got to resign now as they have taken wrong decision to withdraw army from JnK!!
    [8 Jan, 2010 1231hrs IST]

    Dr. Harbeer singh,India,says:why not beceause Government of India giving such incentives for jihadis where they will find a place like India kill innocent people terrorize minority community and congress will give you good deals, this is a totally baseless politics, The states, the people deserve more packages who are peaceful and live together peacefully and respect each others sentiments jihadis know if they get caught still they will enjoy freedom of life not in a place where they are now,I have no words about the security of common man specially for miniorties in kashmir.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1158hrs IST]

    Dr.Alvi,CO. USA,says:Its kind of easy for India and Indian Media to blame Pakistan even a bird dies of cold on the streets of India, in fact they have been cowardly playing around in Pakistan. Please get meture and try to understand did it ever happen that some country intelligence is that free to do stupid things in other country???
    [8 Jan, 2010 1032hrs IST]

    Imthiaz,Delhi ,says:700 peaceloving Pakistani people have entered India. They have obviously entered to promote goodwill and join Bollywood movies. Before jumping to any conclusions we need to find out why they are here. Mabye they need moblie phones to get in touch with their families at home, mabye they need food, security and protection. We must embrace them and not jump to any conclusions. Jumping to conclusions and calling them terrorists is a very BJP/hardline/Hindutva stance to take. Let us invite them to the Taj for a cup of tea and talk about Aman Ki Asha. Peace At ANY COST.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1019hrs IST]

    Jagdish ,Chennai ,says:I want peace. Doesn’t matter how many terrorists are waiting to strike India. Doesn’t matter how many terrorists have already struck India. Does not matter how many Indians have died through **** sponsored terrorism. I still want peace. Aman Ki Asha.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1013hrs IST]

    Indian,India,says:In India we have too many **** sympathizer and well wishers of that failed state including Times Of India.AAman Ki Asha my foot. Lets go kick their ***.
    [8 Jan, 2010 1001hrs IST]

    Krishna,Noida,says:TOI should stop this Indo-Pak Peace Project ” Aman Ki Asha” nothing is coming out from this slogan. We should not forget they had attacked on us 4 times when we extended our hand with peace and friendship. We must understand they are not our friend country.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0933hrs IST]

    s.shankar,mumbai,says:while 700 terrorists are waiting at the border on the invitation of TOI under their Aman ki Asha Mr.Gulzar will be bringing in their cultural terrorists to sing for our fools who will further push us in to this wonderfool love pakistan concept. I dont think even God will lift a finger to save such a foolish nation. people like gulzar and shankar mahadevan shoulbe tried for treason along with each and every TOI employee. how can we sing and dance with pakistanis while indian army jawans are being killed daily by them? Aman ki Asha is not as simple as it is being made out. it is a part of some bigger consipiracy which needs investigation.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0923hrs IST]

    Lincoln Rajendram,Canada,says:It is time that India gets aggressive and pre-empt the evil designs engineered by its neighbors. Locate and attack should be our strategy before its too late.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0917hrs IST]

    vaibhav,kanpur,says:do u have any reliable sources?? Last year u told that YSR has been found and safe. From now n thn China or Pakistan is attacking India . thn U talk abt Aman ki Asha. TOI journalism has deproved to the extent that people no more believe in its news and opening the site is useful for porno addicts getting every type of sex tips and ‘hot shoot of models’.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0908hrs IST]

    Amit,Pune,says:This is the result of removing 30000 troop from J&K
    [8 Jan, 2010 0855hrs IST]

    V K Burman,USA,says:It is time that India takes a strong action on all such jehadis inside our country. We must be able to use latest technology to locate and punish them ruthlessly. We must stop their infiltration any futher. Our intelligence and border forces should be provided with the best of facilities available in the world. India must stand on its own feet to fight this situation, which we accepted ourselves.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0837hrs IST]

    KUMAR,Perth, Australia,says:I seldom understand the strategy that India is adopting in curbing the terrorists.In fact, India is literally scared to face the kind of attacks they might make, if some serious step is taken.I strongly believe that we ought go for the “*** FOR TAT” way of addressing the issue, as its the need of the hour.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0832hrs IST]

    Nitin,Singapore,says:toi talks of aman ki asha…
    [8 Jan, 2010 0813hrs IST]

    Prabhjot,London,says:Pakistan will never learn from its past failed endeavours. It’s about time India replied back similarly – by pushing insurgents into Pakistan. And if the push comes to shove, India should be prepared for a war – attacking the Jehadis outfits based in POK and North Eastern frontiers. India must and can root out this problem once and for all.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0801hrs IST]

    Rajan,toronto,says:tell them to join congress party. As they are safe under them, they will be safe with them also.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0755hrs IST]

    Khem Harrin,Toronto,says:Really no story here. Nothing new about Jehadis wanting to wound India. However, we can see the law of sowing and reaping in action. They sow hate in the hearts of youngsters, these youngsters are now in their army, their navy and all over their nation bombing and destroying them. Furthermore, the Americans are sending drones into Pakistan and taking out Al Queda by the dozens. You live by the sword you die by the sword. In fact that nation will eventually destroy itself, it own sins will pursue it to the grave. So love your neighbour and you will be victorious.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0733hrs IST]

    ash,uk,says:opportunity under musharraf was an opportunity lost, *** for tat will begin. kashmir will be back up in flames again. india instead of reciprocating turned on the tap in baloch and fata. kashmir will bring everything back full circle.
    [8 Jan, 2010 0651hrs IST]

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    vinod sharma Reply:

    Mayaji,
    You seem to be having problems with humanities– the stream that has produced towering leaders across the space of history. God alone can help you. I’ve no such intentions.

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  • sawan

    vinod s and usman,i agreee with your views but how is commenters name an issue in discussion?
    celebrities change their names for reasons like dilip kumar and priyanka gandhi who is vadhera for devious reasons ,even gandhi is a devious name for dynasty.these are public figures and u get sarcastic with internet commenters .so why are names of internet bloggers relevant.do they make adifference to the argument and analysis whther it is x or y.

    to defend shahid and james, the secular elmedia favor minorities comments even pakistanis over indian hindu names who get censored often. i know this myself.

    anyway rebut this and others. i am sure u r capable sharmaji.escaping looks childish and so does
    responses like names, right to disagrreee which is obvious but not areason to escape rebuttals.
    adiscussion means shwowing why ur point is better than anothers based on logic and facts.
    not saying we have differeing views. question is who wins the debate. cmon sharmaji this is not the english secular media shwos on tv,where all seculars are invited because they agree and gang up against the bjp/swapan dasgupta

    and please dont criticize spelling an dtypos instead of rebutting logically about name relevance .i am in a hurry waiting for to the point rebutts to this and otehrs.

    your intelligence shuld help u read this misspelled message sharma ji.no juvenile responses about typos please to escape rebuttals.

    u guys should rebut the issues and points not raise irrelevant reasons to avoid rebuttals.

    and tryrebuutting this comment as well . i respect your iqs and do not want you to make excuses

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  • Rajiv

    Glad Arun Shourie agrees with me !
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    “In a word, far from being attracted by Jinnah, as my senior, Jaswant Singh is, I am repelled by him,” he says.

    Shourie also differed with those “who still dream of a grand confederation of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh” and who talk of “Akhand Bharat”.

    “The best thing that has happened for us is the Partition. It has given us breathing time, a little time to resurrect and save our pluralist culture and religions. Had it not happened, we would have been bullied and thrashed and swamped by Islamic fundamentalists,” he says.

    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Perfect. I agree, Pakistan was duplicitous Jinnah’s gift to India and a curse on the people than inhabit it. He created a homeland for the uncivilized, bigoted ideology of Jinnah.

    Jinnah in a way, created a toxic waste-basket for the subcontinent. As neighbours, our responsibility is to keep the toxic dump from leaking ( infiltrating ) its waste into the neighbourhood.
    Its not the best case scenario , but the best Jinnah could do.

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  • Ryan Paul

    Just one point. While Vinod ji has been repeatedly emphasing that our PM has to show statesmanship and not weaken the Pakistan’s leadership, they on the other hand are doing everything possible to bleed India through their in-famous doctrine ‘thousand cuts’, as their mantra for maintaining relation ship with India surmises. This news which has been not been picked up by the so called secular media is worth reading wherein Mushraff who was being feted by Indian media as the best hope for peace after his Kargil mis-adventure was busy in back stabbing India through any means.

    http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/10/dhaka-has-evidence-on-musharraf-ulfa-leader-meeting.htm

    No wonder Zardari has now shaken off his mask and is now talking about having a 1000 year war with India.

    It seems India has not learnt anything from its umpteen bitter experiences with Pakistan since their creation and as is well known that those who do not learn anything from history are consigned to the dustbin.

    A thousand ‘cosmetic’ Aman-ki Asha are not going to solve an iota of problem. The solution lies in changing the history books of Pakistan where they idolise the marauders Mohd. Gori, Taimur Lane and Mohd. Ghazni etc as one who brought devastation to Hindu’s pagan culture and thereby brought glory to Islam. The mission statement of Pakistan armed forces is very Hindu centric and implores for killing these kafirs as much as possible. Unless there is a seismic shift in these concepts, expecting any radical shift in India-Pakistan relationship would continue to be a pipe dream.

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  • vijay kumar

    By the way I mean no offence to you Vinodji. Just wanting to correct the imbalance of your views

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    Rajiv Reply:

    Agree with most of your comments here. Unless , self-appointed Indian peace-makers accept the truth that India and Pak are very different nations, India based on pluralism, liberalism , secularism and tolerance and Pakistan based and created out of religious seperatism and then fed for 60 years on bigotry — no realistic policy can be framed.

    They are doing great harm to India and prospects of peace with Pak.

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  • Sear

    Dear Vinod,
    What do you think people to people contact will achieve? Do the Pakistani people have any say? Please do not distract attention from the real issue. The real issue is not hate mongering from ‘both sides’ as you would put it. The real issue is the Pak military’s devious mindset of using terrorism as a legitimate weapon. Unless this is address no amount of singing and dancing and reciting fancy urdu couplets is going to prevent the next even more cruel and brazen attack on India. So please stop this nonsense and focus on addressing the real issue.

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  • sagar

    Just by reading the comments one can say a lot about the mindset of the commentators. People in india think pakistan is responsible or elements(like hafeez saeed) in pakistan are responsible for many of the terror acts on indian soil. on the other side of the border in pakistan many people believe india or elements in india(like colonel pruhit) are responsible for the terror acts on pakistani soil. It’s like isralialis blaming palastinnians and american blaming iraqis and afghanis.

    i wonder how could a handful of people could carry out such an operation like the one in bombay without a huge logistic support? how could the terrorists take their weapons to the taj hotel before unleashing the assualt that left many innocent people dead? the bombay ati terrorism boss gets shot instantly who had caught the right wing extremist colonel Pruhit of the indian army in samjhota express incident.

    the are so many questions about 9/11 are remain unanswered but people were told that a bunch of people from cave in afghanistan carried out 9/11 and the world’s most sophisticated airforce was defeated on that fateful day. do some research on your own dont just buy the mainstream media lies.

    many in india believe that terrorists exist in pakistan yet thousands of innocent people are burned, torchered and butchered in gujrat india and the architects enjoy public offices and run the government. isn’t that hypocritical.

    WMD’s in iraq that never existed but that country was attacked.

    I wish the real culprits of all the terrors acts are punished for their crimes and an ever lasting peace established between India and Pakistan.

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  • SID

    There is no hope of “Aman” until Pakistan stops waging the silent war in Kashmir. There is no point in playing cricket, when our armies are exchanging fire on the LOC. Trade with India is something that Pakistan will have to earn through its actions not words alone.

    Hatred towards India has become an election issue in Pakistan, and their governments (military or democratic) will keep pursuing it for sake of remaining in power.

    Its not long before the US will pull out of AfPak, and then all the Pakistani “workforce” shall be deployed on the eastern front. I wonder what is going to happen to all this “Peace” rhetoric then.

    We should be focussing on solidifying our defences.

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  • vijay kumar

    Sagar,

    if you are from Pakistan, you are living proof of why Pakistan is collapsing. Your thinking is muddled, you blame evrything on India, even when you have a stomach ache.

    Open your eyes man.

    Your country has the worst and most corrupt set of leaders in the world; your country may soon be dismantled by a UN force as you have a safehouse for all the terrorists and fanatics of the world.

    But I am sure you will not. You will keep saying India, India, India.

    even as the schoolchildren from your country aspire to become suicide bombers, while Indian children want to become technocrats.

    You guys will never change…

    Sigh…

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  • Bappa

    I’ve seen the ads they are absurd and stupid to the point that it shows you how desperately these marketing folks are trying to prop up a dead idea. This type of propaganda is also dangerous in creating a false sense of complacency towards its neighbour which is a out and out terrorist nation with visions of creating the great islamic dominance as dictated in the Quran.

    Here’s a comment from across the border to let you know how Pakistanis think of us. Whats worrying is that they don’t want to see the realities but are more by whats written 700 years ago.

    …….

    I think agher muslims ak bar Quran Pak ko theek sa phar kar dakhain to Quran pak main likha ha ka YAHUDEE and HINDUS kabhi bhi dost nhi ban sakte so plz stop these stupid things and the only need is that to follow the Quran Pak and have faith on God.

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  • atroffNetegen

    Very Interesting!
    Thank You!

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  • zahra khan

    intersting……….love peace and spread peace stop all these arguments plzzzz

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