Hindustan Times
Rawalpindi attack is a lesson for Pakistan
I wouldn’t say that nemesis caught up with the Pakistan Army when its Rawalpindi-based General Headquarters, better known as GHQ, came under terrorist fire followed by a siege that lasted nearly twenty hours. It might be true but one must desist mocking when an adversary is at the receiving end of a common enemy. It should be viewed as an opportunity to change mindsets, to show to the anti-India lobby in Pakistan that the fight against terror cannot be selective.
Regardless of their identity, the heavily armed gangsters who went for the heart of the army establishment didn’t ostensibly aim to take General Ashfaq Kayani hostage. Their objective was to make Pakistan’s most potent institution look weak and vulnerable.
Pakistani army troops stand guard at the main entry gate of their own army's headquarters in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on Sunday, October 11, 2009. Pakistani commandos raided their own army's headquarters Sunday to free 30 people held hostage by Islamist fighters who staged a brazen attack on the compound while wearing military uniforms. (AP Photo/Anjum Naveed)
That the audacious strike coincided the army’s decision to extend its operations into South Waziristan—where lines blur between the Taliban and the Al Qaeda— was evidence of their growing desperation. Waziristan is where suicide bombers are conceived, delivered and reared on a diet of revenge, misplaced ideology and religious bigotry. It’s a crucible that integrates killers, smugglers, mercenaries, drug lords, warmongers and self-styled jehadis of different nationalities.
By the admission of many security experts in Pakistan, the attack on GHQ was a joint operation with clear imprints of Punjab-based groups against whom India demands decisive action. Even if it’s mere conjecture, it makes out a case for fighting terror without playing favourites. The case in point here is that of the LeT’s Hafiz Saeed against whom the Punjab High Court is reported to have dropped charges under an anti-terror law.
From the Indian standpoint, Pakistan’s prevarications are indefensible.
After the Peshawar bombing preceding the GHQ incident, NWFP’s Information Minister Iftikhar Hussain had claimed the provincial government was handicapped in its efforts to contain killer groups enjoying sanctuaries and training bases in other provinces, notably Punjab, where they are trained and funded. “Instead of blaming (the provincial) NWFP government for not doing enough, there is a need to tackle terror where it’s born,” he said.
Rather then paying heed to Hussain’s lament, Interior Minister Rehman Malik contrasted what he called Indian “signatures” in Balochistan with Pakistan’s action in booking some people for the Mumbai attacks. Other Pakistani commentators, including retired spooks, drew parallels between the GHQ attack and the 9/11 hit on the Pentagon. They said the Waziristan operation wouldn’t be successful unless the area was insulated from the Taliban and Al Qaeda’s potential supporters in Afghanistan and adjoining tribal habitations in Pakistan.
One former army officer suggested withdrawal of troops from the eastern borders— where “enemy India is unlikely to attack” to beef up the Waziristan offensive. I found the adjective (enemy) hugely inappropriate. But it only showed that Rehman Malik has company to keep among Pak faujis, spooks and clerics who have made a living out of demonizing India.
It’s about time policymakers in Pakistan made up their mind as to who’s their real enemy: India or terrorism? Confusion on this score could be suicidal; the attack on the GHQ having conclusively proved that the merchants of terror have penetrated vital institutions with moles and sympathizers.
In the not too distant past, bombs exploded in the high security offices of the federal investigating agency, the navy war college, buses carrying air force personnel and a police training academy on Lahore’s outskirts.
There were three attempts on the life of then Army Chief Pervez Musharraf, Benazir Bhutto fell to an assassin and so did a general in his official car in Rawalpindi. After Baitullah Mehsud died in a drone attack, there were apprehensions of a major government installation coming under terrorist attack. But nobody expected it to be the seat of the Pak Army.
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Loading ...Posted by Vinod Sharma on Monday, October 12, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Filed under World · Tagged General Ashfaq Kayani, GHQ, hindustan times, news, Pakistan, Pakistan Army, Rawalpindi-based General Headquarters, Taliban and the Al Qaeda
Dear Mr. Vinod Ji
Salaam and Namaste to you an all your readers.
Mr.Vinod ji please keep up the good word you are spreading, being a Pakistani i love,enjoy and admire your posts a lot, why because you at least have guts to write as you see deem fit.
I was pleasantly surprised that i was not ridiculed or cursed at in my previous post cuz i am a Pakistani and a proud one as well.but just to pacify the gentlemen who questioned my citizenship i do not blame them, i am not even angry because i have found some sense and sensibility in their reasoning as they have the right to be suspicious of any Pakistani and so they should be. I don’t blame them or any other citizen of India as we Pakistani have never given our friends in India any reason to think otherwise. I was born in Karachi, went to Convent of Jesus and Mary School, went to St.Pauls High School and BVS Parsi High School on Abdullah Haroon Road and after that i did my B.Comm from Commerce College across the street from Karachi Gymkhana(where i might add i spent most of my time chasing girls) i hope my dad does not read this post of mine.(LOL).
Now on a more serious matter which has groped us here in Pakistan.
Vinod ji you are absolutely rite in your article that the retired army man saying and quoting India as an enemy is false. We Pakistani’s have to get rid of this mentality and i cant understand as to why we do not do it.It is because of this mentality that we have not grown up and out of this tangled web that we have woven.I do not expect anyone to help us and we should not be helped if we Pakistanis do not do it ourselves, simple as that.You don’t chop the branch you are sitting on or you don’t shit were you eat(excuse my language).
Mr.Vindo ji just like me there are if not millions at least hundreds of thousands Pakistanis that feel the same way. At least we talk over things rationally instead of talking Jihad or attacking India.I absolutely believe from the bottom of my heart that all this that is happening in Pakistan is OUR OWN FAULT AND OUR OWN MAKING.We are so busy putting on the jihad makeup that nothing else seems justifiable to us but Jihad.
We created this an when i mean we i mean the Govt, army and our so called Spy agencies not the ordinary people of Pakistan, but because of these so called Mullahs and their Madrassahs it is spreading like cancer in our society.This termite is eating us up inside and NO WE CANNOT BLAME INDIA FOR THIS. It is very easy for our politicians and army mullahs to put the blame on our Neighbors but this is the only reasoning that they have.
For the past 20 years or so how many times has India attacked Pakistan. NONE AND I REPEAT NONE. how many times has Pakistan infiltrated into Sovereign India COUNTLESS TIMES.
We the people of Pakistan have to and must stop this belligerent, paranoid and stupid mentality of INDIA as our enemy. If India was our enemy than how come we were not attacked long time ago.
India has far better things to do than imposing war on any other country.INDIA IS AN WILL BE A SUPER POWER and we(Pakistan) should LEARN FROM THEM INSTEAD OF BEATING ON WAR DRUMS.
Mr Vinod Ji i have no desire or aspirations of our countries going to war as me an my fellow countrymen just as you an your country men want PEACE so that we can live our lives.
Mr.Vinod Ji why is it that all we talk about is war and no peace.Is peace so bad or looked down upon?
Finally i want to apologize to you Mr.Vinod Ji and to all your readers for all the ATROCITIES that my country has caused upon your country. I can only speak for myself and i know for a fact that my children will not grow up with this mentality as i was taught by my parents to respect each and every persons no matter what race, religion or culture they belong to.
Mr.Vinod Ji i am looking forward to your next blog.
Till then Khuda Hafiz and Namaste to you an all your readers
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Milind Pania Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Well said sir.
If only your opinions could be openly voiced in Pakistan, a large part of the tensions between our countries. I hope the public, the common man ignores the Pakistan Army’s and people like Zaid Hamid’s constant, violent and bigoted rants about how India, an inferior, Hindu country where Muslims are butchered every day. If that were the case, India’s muslim population should have been wiped out a hundred times over, instead of largely being well placed in Indian society (APJ Abdul Kalam and Azim Premji come to mind to name a few).
So, respect for stating the truth and being honest about it. You have earned the respect of peace lovers everywhere, be it India or Pakistan.
Milind
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Sam Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 1:36 am
tell us something about your self.
tell us something only a true pakistani (born and brought up in pakistan) would know.
Otherwise you could just be an impostor who is an indian acting like pakistani, or a pakistani impostor bent on creating the illusion of a peaceful pakistani..
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Gopi Thomas Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Sam
That is fine. Take him for his face value. What he says makes sense. Hope he organizes similar people in Pakistan and start a movement.
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Vigilante Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Gopi Sir, Sam is Pakistani gentleman living in Boston.
Inke sawaalon ki train itni lambi hai ki jawaab ke liye jagah hi nahin rakhi!!
Sloberknocker Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Sam,
First of all i don’t have to prove anything to you,second of all i don’t have to prove anything to you and last but not least i don’t have to prove anything to you. but just to put your mind at ease ask me questions about my city,oh wait correct me if i am wrong but i am guessing that you have never been to my city of Karachi so you would not know anything about it, so no matter what i tell you you will never believe me so to me it is pointless to prove it to you.Having said that if any of the readers here have been to karachi i request them to ask me questions about my city.
Better yet Sam if you ever get a chance to come to karachi come visit me at Hussain D’Silva apartments right next to Abdullah Shah Ghazi mazar, mind u those apartments are no longer there cuz the govt of sind demolished them so that they can build a park over there and they even took down the helipad where Zulfiqar Ali Bhuttos helicopter used to land when he was the Prime Minister of Pakistan cuz his official residence was walking distance from there, and it is there where his son Murtaza Bhutto was assassinated in a police encounter.
Now Sam i am waiting for your next move and please don’t ask me to scan and print my birth certificate from Holy Family Hospital cuz i was born once upon a time ago, in layman terms a long time ago and judging by the state my country is in i don’t even think that hospital is still there .
Now Sam i am presuming you are vegetarian, which means i cant even take you out to the best bar b q restaurant in Karachi known as Bar b q tonite which i might add is very close to Bilawal House which is named after Benazir’s first son who i might add is a waste of skin just like his dad ***-IF. But what i can do for you when you come to visit me in Karachi is take you for the best biryani in the world known as Students Biryani right behind the Kidney Center and i know that place very well as i got my kidney stones removed over there.
But Sam why are you so paranoid? Judging by your text it seems to me that you have made up your mind not to trust anyone but i can honestly say that the feeling is not mutual.
The ball is in your court Sam, its your time to serve.
Salaam and Namaste to All
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Sam Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I agree with you, that you do not need to prove anything to anyone.
Having said that, There are quite a few imposter on many blogs.
So one should not be insulted, when asked to prove something.
Respect All, Suspect ALL !!
Ashish Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:01 am
@ Sloberknocker,
slurrrp!
Only trouble is the visa! Takes a long time, and even then.. maybe someday. Keep the BBQ and Biriyani places going.
sanjeev Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
@ slobeknocker
hats off to you man
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Sloberknocker Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
@ Sanjeev
I thank you sir.
I cant speak on behalf of anyone but my self.
I am just stating the facts as i see them.
I have no aspirations of winning a noble peace prize or impose my thinking on anyone. God has given them the right as i have been given and i just use the means provided to me.
What makes me better than these terrorists is that instead of guns and bombs i choose to pen down my feelings and frustrations.
I hope and pray that we realize that peace is the only way forward.
I just saw on hindustan times that it is diwali in India, so a very happy diwali to all in India.
P.S. I am not ignorant but i just dont know what diwali is could someone please tell me so that i know for my self and dont look like an idiot. And i mean this with all due respect.
Thank you
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Raju Kurien Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
@Slobenknocker
Thanks for your interest in India. I am a proud Indian of C (also from my state). hristian ancestry. We thrive here; we have done extremely well. There has been so many great contyributors to India from my community. The present defence minister Mr Antony is from my community (Also from mmy stae). Another defence minister, George fernandez was also a Christin. The so aclled white revolution (abundance of milk) was pioneered by a Christian, Dr VArghese Kurien, at the behest of PAndit Nehru. The founding director of the prestigious Indian Institute of management in Ahmedabad was a Christian (again from my home state) Dr Ravi Mathai..
What I wanted to say is that minotrities thrive in India; what india looks for is capabilities and contributions. I would request you not to believe the propaganda many Muslim leaders spread, in a sense they are following the same destructive path like Pakistan, in the
name of religion, denying a lot to theirr followers and trying to permanently make them second calss. These people ridicule even the esteemed dr Abdul kalam, who is respected by all indians universally, as being “not Muslim enough”.
Anyway, I wanted to respond to you about Diwali. The root word is “Deepa vali” , meaning festival of Deepa, or lamps. It is to celebrate good over evil, truth over falsehood, light over darkness, righteousness over treachery. There are several mythological stories - one to celebrate Lord Rama’s coming back to Ayodhya after his 14 years in forests, a self banishment He undertook to homnor his father’s commitment; another one to celebrate Lord Krishna destroying an evil ruler called Narakasura.
However, for many Hindus, the main diety for worship for Deepavali is Lakshmi, the Goddess of wealth. It is the beginning of new financial year for the business class.
It is also a festival after the harvest season is over.
All join in celebartion and sweet distribution. I should let you know that Ismaili Muslims celebrate Diwali in a big way (for which they get rebuked by you know who).
All the states celebrate Diwali, except the southern state of kerala. Part of the reason may be that they celebarte Onam, which is the coming back of Bali — one of the stories related to Diwali is the Vamana (Vishnu)- Bali promise; so may be that story took a root in Kerala.
Hope you got some info!I
Dear Vinod,
Would you subscribe to the view that in Talibani plans, the Army is seen as the last vestige of resistance in overpowering Pakistan?
Much is said publicly about the brittle feudal structure being vulnerable. Not much is said publicly about the corruption and factionalism in the Pakistani Army.
Therefore is it possible that the Army is also vulnerable enough to be broken up?
If my memory serves me right, Taliban was a US creation against Soviet occupation in Afghanistan. This monster was not put to sleep by its creator after it served its purpose, and has now grown big enough to threaten neighbouring countries.
Pakistan most certainly fed this monster but could not tame it, so now she is in danger of being devoured.
Next Talibani target - India??
Would like to hear your views.
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S Singh Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
@Atul
Taliban was the creation of Pakistan ISII against the Northern Alliance.
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Atul Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Thank you. I stand corrected.
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vinod Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Dear Atul,
The Taliban do not believe in democracy, the people’s right to vote and elect governments. In short, they don’t subscribe to modern thought and way of life. They’d like to be on our borders. But their advances within Pakistan have been stopped for the time being by the Pak Army, not for India’s sake but their own sake. I wish them success and the good sense to replicate the model on the eastern borders.
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Sam Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I wish these go on for next 2-3 decades (just like Pakistan is funding and continues to send jihadists into Jammu Kashmir)..
Talibans Vs Pak Army
Pasthuns Vs Pak Army
Balochs Vs Pak army
Sindhis Vs Punjabis
Afghans pasthun Vs Punjabis..
If this violence and killing goes on, what has India got to lose ?
India should be prepared for a huge number of refugees coming into and should get prepared for it.
The first group was the Hindus/Sikhs who left pakistan recently due to imposition of Jizya by the Talibunnies..
Next set could be some other group of Pakistanies coming to india.
India should accelerate fencing the borders.
It should not be like Bangladeshis 10 million refugees who came in early 70’s.
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Atul Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Hi Sam,
Any neighbourly upheaval has an economic impact on India. Our attention and resources get diverted from development to watching our borders. We can do without these. Bangladesh had a crippling effect on our country in the seventies, and fencing our borders will be no solution at all.
For example, see the attitude of the London Radio Cab drivers (most are from the troubled areas of Pakistan / Azad Kashmir). For all the atrocities they have borne, they still want peace. They believe their roots, culture, heritage will vanish if they continue to live in a foreign country. The urge to go back is huge.
Let us not blame the masses for the acts of a few. Lets us wish them well, and let us wish them peace.
Sam Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
how much is the trade between India and pakistan ?
What would be border monitoring costs ?
Upheaval is better.
it will divert pakistan’s focus away from a jihad against india.
They will be busy with their internal issues.
controlling an unfocused enemy will be less costly..
Atul Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Dear Sam,
Let us agree to disagree.
Be well, and be at peace.
Diwali greetings to all
Dear Vinodji,
Its a wishful thinking.
1) Benazir’s murder could not enlighten Pakis. The rot runs so deep that they are getting the UN investigators for the probe task.
2) 70% OF THE PAKIS BELIEVE 9/11 WAS PERPETUATED BY AMERICANS THEMSELVES SO THAT THEY CAN ATTACH MUSLIMS COUNTRIES. SO ONE CAN IMAGAINE THE INTELLECTUAL RETARDNESS OF THE PEOPLE OF “HOLY LAND”
3) MAJORITY OF PAKIS ACCORDING TO SURVEY BY PAKS NEWS PAPER BELIEVE THAT 26/11 WAS A JOINT OPERATION BY INDIA AND USA TO BLEMISH PAKISTAN !!!!!!!!!
4) THE WRETCHED PAKIS DONT HAVE AN ECONOMY OF THEIR OWN AND THEY ARE GETTING PAID BY THE WORLD ECONOMY FOR FOMENTING TROUBLE IN THE NEIGHBOURING STATE. SO WHY WOULD THEY EVER PUT A LEASH ON THE ELEMENTS WHO ARE EARNING “MOOLAH” FOR THEM.
AT THE END OF THE DAY PAKISTAN IS A PATHETIC STATE BEING RUN BY A TREACHEROUS ARMY AND A QUASI BRAIN LESS GOVERNMENT WHICH IS NECK DEEP IN CORRUPTION AND A INTELLTUALLY AND VIOLENT SOCIETY WHICH THINKS THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO INDIANS !!!!!!
THANKS,
YASH
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To all the apologists who go by the name of slobberknocker and his ilk. i can fathom your ignorance about geo-politics and the cunning attitude of the indian rulers, for you people are fed a liberal dose of bollywood and indian propaganda through the well oiled state machinery called the free press. kiddo the india and indians you r talking about and the liberalism you are showing is just bull shit. you never have had to brave bullets/baton of indian soliders in kashmir. you will never know the evil and atrocious behaviour of indians where ever there is an Assam, Nagaland,Manipur or the God forgotten tribals in the so-called naxal-belt. you might be knowing about the massacre of muslims in meerut,bhagalpur,gujrat,,bombay, just to name a few, but never about any kind of justice being given. you say pakistan infiltrates and indians never do. are u from mars? Who connived in the creation of Bangladesh, who attacked hyderabad(deccan) and junagarh,who took siachen glacier? who is helping Bramhdag Bugti in afgahanistan? Pakistan is in deep trouble,no doubt, but for that it doesn’t need any unsolicited advice and that too from india who has always been the perpetrator of the worst kind of terrorism and human right abuses and nobody knows it better than us(people of indian occupied kashmir).
p.s. food for thought: disputes in south asia
India-Pakistan(siachen,Kashmir,Sir creek etc)
India-Bangladesh(water sharing and dams)
India-china(border dispute)
India-Srilanka(india created ltte)
India -Nepal(just an indian colony & border disputes)
India-Bhutan(same)
India-burma(border dispute)
so my friend from karachi, why does this mother-****** country finger one and all?
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Sloberknocker Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
@Shafat,
Salaam
Did i touch a nerve in you and if i did that than i guess my job is done.
The biggest problem with us pakistanis is that we never accept anything as our fault, we are so brain washed that nothing seems to make any sense to us at all. and what i cant understand is why so much hatred towards our neighbor, oh i know why the first lesson our kids our taught in the madrassahs is that INDIA is ememy # 1 and then they teach u how to wear a bomb vest and what button to push next.
The only way this animosity will vanish is that we learn how to listen to other people as well. If we want to be heard then we should have the decency to hear out what others have to say as well. It takes two hands to clap.
We need to clean our house first and then yes only then can we ask the world to look at themselves not before that.
This mentality of ours that its my way or the highway needs to be wiped clean from our minds.Cuz if not we wont even have a highway, instead of growing up and taking responsibility we are going towards stoneage and then i guess we all will be dwelling in caves just as these so called mullahs are.
Instead of calling names and cursing our neighbors which btw the feeling is mutual, we should put our best foot forward and be the bigger man and admit that yes we also have carried out injustice .Give me one example where pakistan has contributed to the world and please don’t say that we are fighting terrorism for the world cuz we are not, we are just saving face cuz WE YES WE created this monster and now our very existence is at stake not because of india but because of these terrorists.
So calm down, take a chill pill or better yet sit on a frozen suppository(i hope i spelled it right) if not you know what i mean.Now please don’t get all huffed up and angry and if you have nothing nice to say then keep your two cents to yourself. As a educated pakistani i have more to give and have given to the society than these gun totting low life so called muslims.
Btw it takes a bigger man than you to apologize for their mistakes and i have no qualms in apologizing at least i get a peacefull night sleep.
Peace
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Sam Reply:
October 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
How about this…
If all Muslims went to Pakistan (as Jinnah wanted), may India would not have so many internal problems…
Also probaby Pakistan would have imploded a lot faster, with all the pious muslims competing and trying to prove that they are the real muslims..
Look at what Pakistan did to Ahmediya, Balochs, Sindhis, Bengalis,
now Pasthuns..
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Anil Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 3:10 am
India only has border dispute with islamist murdere’s and communist expansionist.. With Srilanak with Nepal with bhutan w all these countries are more close to india than pakistan or china..
Now let us look at pakistan..
Freaking border dispute with baluchistani.
Border dispuite with afghanistan
border dispute with India ..
Colony of china where illegally occupied land has been gifted to china
that covers whole suit of neighbours..
Let us look little further
terrorists coming from Pakistani
(1) Blasts in afghanistan
(2) Blasts in India
(3) Blatss in UK
(4) Blatss in USa
(5) blatss in Spain..
(6) blasts even in China Xinajaniga provice talk about biting the hand that feeds them
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Akash Reply:
October 17th, 2009 at 7:24 am
@Shafat
I thought Mr. Bugti was in Balochistan.
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@Shafat
You must be living in the most peaceful country in the world - Pakistan; a country famous for craeting worldwide terrorists offering masters and doctorate courses in terrorism.
Pakistan started all the border wars with India. Your ex President Musharaff was already moving troops to Kargill when your Nawas Shariff was telling Bill Clinton another story.
What the f— are you talking about LITE? India could have taken over Sri Lanka if thatw as the objective. Unlike the Muslim bretheren who takes far away lands’ causes just because they are Muslim countries, no Indian/Hindu went to fight with Prabhakaran and LITE.
Your great country cannot survive without US aid. You breed terrorists because that gives more aid.
Your generals have looted your country.
What do you explain the reason is - two coountries started with the same foundation, basically same racial people; one failing so miserably; causing problem for itelf and worldwide; while other develops and maintains institutions, develop its people, become an economic force in spite of its language, religious, lifestyle diversities, its children heading leading instituitions of the world, teaching in leading universities in America and Europe…
You are drinking koolaid given by your corrrupt generals who never wanted Pakistan to eb anything other than what it is today - so they are always there to save the country
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@ Raju Kurien
Thank you very much for the prompt response.
It has definitely helped me to understand more about the diwali festival.
Enjoy and have a safe and happy diwali my friend.
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You guys don’t understand these pakis are taught in thei tex books that india attacked every time
(1) Operation in 1948 in Kashmir apparently india started in Pakistani lalal l;and
(2) operation in 1965 India started apparently operation gibraltor never happedn in pakistani book
(3) Operation in 1971 India started again apparently India air field in assam was never attacked and 10 million bnagladeshis were never driven to idnia
(4) Again Kargil never happend and if it happend india started it
such is the depraved **** mind that they belioev their fantassy to be the truth.. god help these idiots
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vinod Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Dear Anil,
In a recent interview to Dawn News, former Pak Air Force Chief Air Marshal Asghar Khan blamed Pakistan for all the four wars. This is for your information..
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On a side note… I wud nt be surprised if our own Army HQ was one day attacked by **** terrorists or home grown ones…. considering the way our security apparatus works, anything is possible … Both India and Pakistan have the same culture of stupidity and unprofessionalism, hence this whole mess…
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Sam Reply:
October 14th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Pakistanis are more stupid (or smarter) due to being an Islamic state.
Their capital is also called Islamabad.
Islam is the final word and the most perfect, as per believers.
So they cannot be stupid, if they are blessed by their god.
So please do not equate Pakistan and India on stupidity/unprofessionalism…
There are different degrees and ….
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hey ram.. i wanted to check out vinodjis blog and to wish everyone on diwali and i run into the usual indo - pak spat … well back to work ..happy diwali to alll and happy id to the nice pakistani gentleman from karachi (whats with ur blogging name hmm)..
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@ Shafat
p.s. food for thought: disputes in south asia
India-Pakistan(siachen,Kashmir,Sir creek etc)
India-Bangladesh(water sharing and dams)
India-china(border dispute)
India-Srilanka(india created ltte)
India -Nepal(just an indian colony & border disputes)
India-Bhutan(same)
India-burma(border dispute)
so my friend from karachi, why does this mother-****** country finger one and all?
well here’s the answer you IGNORANT ****. the first three points that you have stated are true however its India’s that that is justified.Not only Siachen, but the entire Kashmir belongs to India. and when it comes to those Chinks in the Norht , they were the ones to invade and snatch our land. In the case of the “Bhookha-Nanga” Bangladeshis its again India’s side thats justified. The rest is just a demonstration of the political fantasies of the Pakis . no wonder you are Muslims who cannot see anything beyond your damned Quran.
It was your mother ******* bas**** Pakistan that instigated the wars against India. you Pakis dont even deseve a dog like treatemant
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vinod Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Dear Paritosh,
Please don’
Pl don’t lose your cool in such manner. A good argument requires to be made in good, civilised language. Hope you take this advice in the right spirit.
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Paritosh Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Vinod
hey dude if you are so concerned about civilized discussion why dint you bother to dictate the same to the **** called Shafat. he has hurled an extremely insulting abuse at India. as a well educated Indian and a true Hindu I am always ready for a mature, logical and a civilized discussion or argument. but if someone speaks any damn thing about my religion or nation then i dont consider it necessary to continue the same way. i believe in the philosophy of ” jaise ko taisa jawaab”
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Dear Vinod Sharma ji
Once again I have been tempted to express my views on the subject of this bloig. Dont you think you are contradicting yourself when in the blog you say that one should desist from mocking when an adversary is at the receiving end from a common enemy and while during your response to one blogger you say that you believe in the philosophy of “Jaise Ko Taisa Jawab”. Though I agree with both parts of your philosophies but please recall when we were the butt of jokes and satirical comments of Pakistani media, people and the leaders after 26/11 Mumbai carnage. They claimed that ten armed terrorists have pushed the whole Indian Nation to the wall for more than 72 hours while killing about 200 people. I would hate to react in a similar tone when the HQ of Pakistani Army was attacked and mere six terrorists killed many people and took many hostages for more than 22 hours. The Army officers killed included a Brigadier and Lt. Col. and many more officers. While the Mumbai attackers were ruthless in killing unarmed innocent people on the roads and in the hotels, the terrorists who attacked Pakistani GHQ were considerate not to have killed any hostage even holding them for the overnight.. The few hostages killed were caught in crossfire. If the terrorists had killed all the hostages which they could do, the causalities would have been more than Mumbai Vcarnage. But what stopped the terrorists from kiling their hostages in Pakistani Army GHQ takeover and what motivated such people to kill their hostages in Mumbai? I shall be grateful for the answer from any one.
I think Pakistani people have to learn not to rejoice when the terroirsts from that country show their bravery by attacking unarmed and innocent people on the streets of Mumbai in our country. I think what ever little outward sympathy is shown by a section of their society is nothing more than crocodile tears. Perhaps they did not realise that such an event could visit them with all the ferocity when the whole Pakistani army establishment and Police academies would be fighting for survival as well as for their honour.
If your blog helps in thought provoking the Pakistani society in some way in this regard, your effort in writing this blog will be worthwhile.
Regards
Yours Sincerely
(Dr.) B.N.Anand
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Dear Vinod Sharma ji
Sorry for a mix up. Yes, “Jaise Ko Taisa” is Paritosh’s philosophy. But I agree with your philosophy “at not mocking when an adversary is in trouble” as well as Paritosh’s philosophy. It is really hard to live with your philosophy alone. For one to survive in this cruel world, one has to follow the other philosophy as well.
I thought I must acknowledge this mix up lest you form a different opinion about me.
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@ (Dr.) B.N.Anand
Sir, I think that you have misunderstood the above Vinod. he is just another person in the replying process and not the journalist Vinod Sharma. by the way please tell me how do you find Vinodji’s philosophy of “helping the adversary during the crisis” justified. in my opinion it an be cited as one of the most dumbest philosophies
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Hello Paritosh
I do not agree with every thing what our respected Vinod sharma says. But on human basis, I agree with him with some reservations that one should not mock at any one in trouble. Rather one should take care of oneself and be always prepared to reply in kind if one’s adversary misbehaves and should always give a ” Jaise Ko Taisa Jawab”. So I believe in this philosophy too. In fact, it is a simple way of saying Newton’s law which says “For every action, there is always equal and opposite reaction”. The philosophy of “Jaise Ko Taisa ” satisfies a scientic principle, though the journalist Vinod sharma will never agree with this approach. He belongs to Gandhian era and believes in non-violence. But even is that philosophy relevant in to-day’s world? I doubt very much.
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Paritosh Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
One should not mock at any friends in trouble, but in that of an adversary he should either celebrate or exploit the situation. your doubt on the “Jaise ko Taise Jawab” philosophy is baseless. how much cruel you want the world to be so finally you would assimilate some tough principles as those?? havent we Indians suffered a lot??!! isnt it enough for peace obsessed people like you. just think on that
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vinod Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Dear Dr Anand and Paritosh,
What I wrote is as follows:”One must desist mocking when an adversary is at the receiving end of a common enemy.” In the present case Pak is India’s adversary and terrorism the common enemy.
Pl don’t tear comments out of context to suit your convenient ends.
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Sam Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
How is terrorism the common enemy ?
Can you distinguish between state sponsored terrorist acts and internally created terrorists.
Pakistan’s terrorists are their own creation.
So please do not get mixed up and say all categories of terrorists are morally equivalent or same.
You should be able to respond differently to different category.
Peaceniks like you, make these mistakes again and again and put the society in peril.
This maybe even the time for india to put more pressure.
You only strike an iron when it is hot.
Otherwise you cannot bend it.
Do you atleast agree that there are some situations which only get resolved by show of force ?
Sam
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@ Vinod
i am not trying to tear apart your comment on terrorism but actually i am trying to introduce you to the truth and perhaps making a totally futile attempt. before judging the the terror situation of India and Pakistan in the same light you first must know the history behind it. Islamic terrorists attack India because we are majority Hindu and therefore enemies of Islam for them and we are not anyways responsible for that. these terrorists attack Pakistan because the Pakistanis have been launching military assaults against their bases in NWFP. the terrorists that attacked India were not Taliban though but had strong links with them and were also funded by the Pakistani government.
so just chillax enjoy your Diwali and celebrate the attacks in Pakistan!!
Happy Diwali to all
Regards,
Paritosh
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vinod Reply:
October 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
What’s your case, Dear Paritosh? The Taliban have said if Pakistan is placed under Islamic law, they’d help the government fight India. But they instead have the Army bomb their redoubts in FATA because the Pak civil society is overwhelmingly opposed now to any truck with ther Taliban.
If you want to mock that opinion please go ahead.
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Paritosh Reply:
October 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Vinod (ji)
Sir, first of all I would recommend to you to see the political facts from a broad perspective rather than by the goggles of liberal narrow mindedness. Your so called “pakistani civil society” doesnt want the Taliban as their rulers because they know that their very day to day life freedom would be snatched away. many Pakistanis today watch local as well as Western movies and listen music. The Taliban is opposed to every kind of music, even the Sufi ones, so you can decipher their opinion about Western music culture. any ways their opposition to Taliban does not make them any ways pro-Indian. in a small level , I would cite an example that a Pakistani teenager who listens Western music, wears jeans, watches internet porn and at the same time curses Taliban is also the one who rejoices on terror attacks in India such as the 26/11
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by the way………
there are even more things that make the Taliban rule unacceptable to the Pakistanis other than music and entertainment
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