Dog bites dog



A young investigative journalist has caused a stir in Pakistan’s media circles by exposing a veteran columnist from the same newspaper group. The story in brief is about media persons on the take from the army and the political masters. The men in the middle of the storm: Jang newspaper’s noted columnist Nazir Naji and Ahmad Noorani of The News, an English daily published by the same group.

Naji is no ordinary scribe. When arrested with Nawaz Sharif during the 1999 coup, he was preparing the latter’s speech explaining Gen Pervez Musharraf’s dismissal as Army Chief. Soon thereafter, he bought peace with Musharraf by switching sides to the pro-Army PML (Q) and its key leader Pervez Illahi. His benefactor now is President Asif Ali Zardari.

Noorani got on the tape an apparently inebriated Naji abusing and threatening him for making inquiries about a plot of land he got in Islamabad despite being similarly benefited in Lahore. The young scribe got Naji’s goat by a very straightforward query: Shouldn’t journalists apply to themselves the standards they prescribe for land-grabbing generals, corrupt bureaucrats and political sleaze balls.

(Listen to the tapes at your own risk. Large portions of the conversation will be offensive to a gentleman’s eardrums.)

Nazir Naji Audio – Part 1

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Nazir Naji Audio – Part 2

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Nazir Naji Audio – Part 3

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  • Anwar

    a very interesting incident, exposes the bogus self-righteous attitude of the journalists. Is honesty is merely lack of opportunity?

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    vinod Reply:

    Yes, indeed, honesty is a lack of opportunity to get corrupt. There are many exceptions as well to this rule. They do you proud the way Noorani did to his tribe in Pakistan.

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    Anwar Reply:

    I wonder if such type of incentives are given to journalist in India as well. Why we don’t have any sting operation/ or stories directed against them. Do journalist enjoy some sort of “professional immunity” in our country?

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    vinod Reply:

    Yes, the malaise is as much prevalent in India. In the past there have been exposes on journalists who got out of turn allotment of land/plots from generous chief ministers.

  • http://Instablogs.com Anil Maheshwari

    A few days ago, a girl asked a question at a seminar in which four Pakistani journalists and equal number of Indian journalists formed the panel. She said that should not we infer from the discussion that there is no relationship between truth and news.

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  • http://none me

    This actually come’s in category of spice of life.
    for there sake Journalists righteously take situation for granted and when questioned they cannot bear .

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  • Anwar

    The junior journalists shows the dignified response in spite of the abusive language used by senior journalist.
    After listening, it I have tremendous respect for politician who are usually composed to more probing questions by journalists like Naji.

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com Sujata Anandan

    …and to a lady’s ear drums, too, Vinod. Wow! What a story. keep them coming.

    BTW, there are such cases in Bombay, too — one flat from each regime when u are entitled to only one in a lifetime and with real estate prices being what they are, the scheme/scam is a real money spinner and independence goes for a toss!

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    vinod Reply:

    And he did it to his own newspaper group’s best known columnist, Sujata.

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  • Atul

    I am sure there is more than meets the eye.

    On one hand, you have a senior journalist caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and on the other you have this cub reporter who, despite claiming that he was not recording the conversation, was actually doing so.

    I wonder what prompted the pup to bite the dog? If the pup is so well behaved & sensible, what possible benefit could he get out of raising the hackles of hisown seniors? After all, wont they gun for him in some form or the other?

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    vinod Reply:

    The junior journalist does not report to the senior Jang columnist. He reports to the editor-in-chief of The News, the Jang group’s english daily. That perhaps affords him a life-jacket against Naji.

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    gunjan pant pande Reply:

    Dear Vinodji,

    I am just dumbstruck… reminds me of “chor ki dadhi mein tinka…

    If you haven’t done anything wrong.. If you havn’t got anything to hide… why would you go ballistic like that ..

    It’s a SHAME!!! real shame…

    Gunjan Pant Pande

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    vinod Reply:

    Yes, indeed, it’s a shame. And the guy is to brazen.

  • mahendra kapoor

    i wish some indian journalist could attempt to do likewise – there are no dearth of such stories around, my dear vinod.

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  • Jodh Arora

    Shisher Ji should have printed copy of the said letter. He must also show if FM Chit
    or PM MMS have gained any monetary gains in this deal. Otherwise he is either
    wanting to create a turmoil in INdia as the world is fighting Recession and depression.
    If the majority of the developed countries are victims of the coming DEPRESSION, can
    CHINA and INDIA stay unaffected. India’ s biggest problem is INFRASTRUCTURE. And media is busy with Anna Ji, Ramdev Ji and BJP and forgetting the economic Tsunami. CAN SISAR JI RESPOND? my Email is there

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Revenge of the Sangh Parivar – of course the opportunity is provided by the UPA govt undoubtedly, but the utterances and least possible action taken against Hindu terrorism by Chidambaram has finally got his goat. Bring somebody more pliable to the Sangh Parivar in the Home Ministry – thats the message. 2G is just an excuse, getting Chiddy out is the real grouse.

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  • Anonymous

    “If Mukherjee and his Ministry believe that Chidambaram could have stemmed the 2G rot, the latter could also raise questions that the finance minister had not done enough to control the runaway inflation, prices, downslide of rupee and monetary policy.’

    It appears that since the Home Ministry is Mr Shishir Gupta’s beat , an affinity has developed with the incumbent Home Minister.

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  • Anonymous

    I like this straight forward blog and will become a regular reader. This looks better than Vinod Sharma’s inane comments on Indo-Pak issues.

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  • Anonymous

    The only thing USA , India need to understand is that Pakistan is an incorrigibly vile, duplicitous and treacherous entity , which will violate every agreement signed and defraud the other party. So lesson number 1, do not engage Pakistan in any shape or form. Once you disangage ( stop any aid, trade and minimal relations ) , then you can formulate policies to protect yourself from it.

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    DEAR SIR ,PROBLEM IS MMSINGH WORKS VERY HONESTLY FOR CORPORATE.
    THE MASSES BELOW POVERTY LINE 77% AS PER SENGUPTA COMMITTEE REPORT CANNOT BE CALLED MIDDLE CLASS.CONGRESS PARTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM.IF WE DIG OUT HISTORY OF CONGRESS MEN ALL HAVE BECOME VULGARLY RICH DURING CONGRESS REGIME.
    THE WORLD BANK DATA QUOTED BY YOU IS ENOUGH PROOF.
    FOR HEAD OF PLANNING AND COMMISSION,HIGH FOOD PRICES ARE SIGN OF PROSPERITY..
    IS PM NOT DOING ROLE OF NIRA RADIA FOR CORPORATE?

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  • Anonymous

    The views expressed here are misplaced . FDI in Retail shall mean more glamour …. more rolling of the “R’s”… more lifestyle purchases…. more billing for the credit cards,

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  • Ram Singapore

    Mr.Arnab STOP babbling rubbish. When these giant monopolies with political connections take over with HUGEeconomies of scale they will batter INdian public.

    Do you think they are your Dynasty showering you with goodies? It is hockingly naive of you to claim this as ben eficiaries are POLITICAMNS FAMOUS for 2G, Commonwealth SCAMS and NOW RETAIL FDI scams. If they were really intereswted to benefit AAM AADMI they should allow medium and small payers to instead of demand USD100Million investment and creating LICENSE RAJ and monopolies to bnefit COngress Central, State Govt ministers of Congress and NCP!

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  • Sharma_r81

    FDI in retail means more choices. It means farmers earn more since middlemen are excluded. And as for the neighbourhood kariyana store, all the detractors should visit countries where big malls operate – they will find that the small retailer/shops still exist and thrive. Frankly, the opposition parties have lost it.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    FDI in retail is great for the country. Farmers would get a better price for their produce; there will be more investment in the cold store chain – this means that would bring in a logistics revolution in the country. More freezer trucks, cold trucks and thereby fresh agro and agro-industrial produce would be available as those freezer / cold trucks would be able to travel long distance while keeping their load farm-fresh. Agro industries would receive a boost when cold stores are made available in their vicinity. That would mean more jobs in villages as well as in cities. Despite the presence of big stores all over the big cities, no neighbourhood Kirana shop has downed shutter. The population is so huge, there will always be room for the humblest and the most glittering store to operate successfully.
    As a huge country, we must rescue the EU businessmen and provide them an opportunity to invest in our country.
    And lastly, if we do not allow FDI, the CIA/FBI would allow another 26/11 to happen somewhere else in the country – they have several Headleys up their sleeve, you see, and they need employment too.

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  • Kiara

    A very good article, lets sit and analyze the pros and cons of allowing FDI in multi-brand retail and you will see that the +ive far outweighs the -ive.

    Politicians are opposing it only because they fear loss of influence if poor farmers get empowered as result of greater prosperity.

    Their resistance is nothing but a naked attempt to guard their captive vote banks.

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  • Anonymous

    BJP was always the most unpatriotic party in India, remember their parent org RSS kept out of independence struggle while INC battled the brits bravely.

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  • Praveen Chaudhary

    Has any of the opposers of the FDI bothered to check the price a farmer gets for his produce. I belong to a that background and can tell you that even today vegetables are bought by aadhti (middleman in Haryana, Punjab and Western UP) at rates like Rs 4-6/kg. And we all know what we pay for all these in our local markets – Rs 40-60 kg. Who benefits here – the 10 odd middlemen between the farmer and the end consumers in cities. Why are the idiots in the opposition trying to protect these middlemen when millions of farmers and the consumer middle class form a bigger vote bank any given day ?

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  • Bharatgopal Rajagopalan

    “wrong fact” – India is now the second-fastest growing big economy”

    India is now the fastest growing MAJOR economy in 2010 with a growth rate of 10.4% and China 10.1%. source: CIA WORLD FACT BOOK, WORLD BANK AND INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND.

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  • Bharatgopal Rajagopalan

    Advantages of FDI in Retail

    1. Definitely lowers prices due to high competition and other reasons like stock for high price and sell for low prices. Walmart style.
    2. Cuts down greedy and corrupt middle men. Supply chain would get regulated and farmers will definitely benefit by selling their stuff for correct prices
    3. High quality products, especially Fruits and vegetables, Walmart would have its own transportation system, cold storage facilities
    4. Variety of products go up. Indian manufactured goods will definitely dominate unlike claims saying that Walmart would import everything from China. There are restrictions.
    5. Employment. 10 (initially) to 50 million jobs (eventually) get created. More pay, more hours, safe work environment, secure job.
    6. Puts food on plate for lower middle class people (300 million)
    7. Millions of people can save money on food and invest somewhere else, since Indians spend most of their salary on food and rent
    8. GDP goes up and more foreign investment with better deals can start to come in after seeing the success of Walmart and stores like that.

    Even though there are some risks initially like small businesses losing business and even Walmart might find it difficult initially, during initial transition phase but we have to go by the saying “If Benefits outweigh risks” then go for it. It is the case with Pregnancy categories, when it comes to harmful drugs.

    Walmart have lot of money and they could invest 100 million dollars in each city with a population around 2 million. Eventually Walmart would dominate and reap in the benefits. Nobody can deny that.

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  • Anonymous

    This opinion piece is written with a flawed logic comparing it with computers and IT industry. The FDI in retail will definitely kill the mom & pop stores which actually sell merchandise slightly lower than the MSRP, thereby benefiting the most common middle class people. Perhaps they may not have noticed it in the flashy cities or the suburbs.

    And then on the pretext of providing better deal to the consumer, these bi name stores will bring cheap goods from China, in essence, killing the local industry and sending the local money overseas to procure these goods. We have seen this happening in the developed world, and now India is being targeted.

    And why the author of this article blaming just the BJP. The Congress Allies and many in CONgress itself are opposed to the FDI in retail. Looks like beating on BJP and RSS was a fashion and now it has become necessity to drive the point home.

    In my opinion, only the Patriotic will oppose this move.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7AX2IIBHAUN5EVTGWDW7KNYNGI Manoj

    I cannot understand the hue and cry over FDI in retail or any sector. Indians have to learn to be pragmatic and go by economic sense rather then emotions. The fact of the matter is that we are not a export oriented economy now as compared to China which was quick to adopt and assimilate foreign technology and capital. Just compare India (1.75 trillion $ GDP, 1.2 billion population) and South Korea (1.4 trillion GDP, 50 million population). The best way forward for India is to garner as much foreign capital and continue to boost its economy till we attain a reasonable developed country status.

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  • Anonymous

    Let the customer decide what they want and let india have investment in logistics and supply chain and customer front infrastructure…it will be best boon india could have when we look back 10 years from now in both manpower work force it will create and also the modern techology it will bring from Farm to the customer !!! The naysayers will always be naysayers….who have their own vested interests to keep the same old hoaders and middle man traders who are pinching money from farmers and the Consumers and at the same time causing 40 to 50 % of wastage in perishable agri products !! All upcoming countries – China, S africa, Mexico, Brazil etc.. have 100% FDI investment opening in their countries..

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  • Anonymous

    Walmart would be here to save our farmers and consumers like us. Are you serious?

    When our democratically elected govt. can’t/won’t do the same, why do you expect that Walmart would do it for us?

    In fact, I have a sense that Sonia G was in the USof A couple months back finalising this deal with Walmart and making sure the huge commission earned was safely put somewhere before she returned. That’s why the cabinet rushed through the decision without a debate in the parliament. If the Congress is so sure that it is good for everyone, why shy away from a debate?

    The debates are necessary only for a Jan Lokpal bill???????

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  • Anonymous

    I am not afraid to drive on this road, I did & am experiencing it up close.

    You are pointing it out just from the point of view of farmers. But what about the small and medium scale industries and small stores run by local people. The big warehouse stores are known to import items cheap, mainly form China. Looking at the current state of affairs and relations of India with China, don’t you think that it will be a suicide in terms of whatever manufacturing capability we have in the country.

    Best example for what I just wrote is for you to look towards USA, where the banks and highly paid CEOs with out a vision to future have killed the manufacturing by moving it to China while making huge profits. Yes! the local consumers are now able to save a couple of dollars on an item but it has increased the gap between middle and higher class. Without the jobs, the middle class is the new poor class and left with little or no money, leaving everyone in a financial turmoil.

    Remember, spending locally keep the money local for more job development. Once you begin importing cheap stuff, the money goes to some other outsider or a nation who can actually use the leverage to get some other concessions.

    As far as the condition of farmers is concerned, the GoI has means and technology to build the infrastructure for warehouses, transportation as well as removing the middle man. Only thing they lack is the will to do it.

    Bringing big name corporations won’t help but might affect the farmers and ecosystem negatively, — for example: the big name store would want only a specific type and size of grain, fruit or whatever that may only be achieved by genetically modifying the crop, which might have its own negative affects on human genes. The big stores would want the farmers of particular region to grow only one specific type of produce (fruit, grain, poultry, meat). This might or might not be feasible for a particular type of weather, thereby affecting the ecosystem.

    Don’t just run after the foreign investment in every sector because some showed you a rosy picture. Not every thing big is good. It’s an evil opportunity and should be avoided. Be a visionary and think about the national interest as well.

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  • Mark

    USA company killed 24,000 people in Bhopal instead Indian goverment put the chief executive on a first class flight to new York

    India is not an angel and has also supported terrorist and sought to impose its will in south Asia
    Who started nuclear arms race ? Who invaded siachin ? Who is worlds largest arms importer

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  • abu ahmed

    The martial racists in Pakistan, I felt would come to senses after 1971 – they didn’t. Then I thought may be after Kargill – again nyet. Actually they are living in a fool’s paradise of slowly bleeding India to death and getting kashmir to themselves. What the US is doing is cruel indeed – but it is hard to see any other medicine would work for these schizophrenic Pakistani generals and politicos.

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    King Reply:

    1971 was political problem exploited by India. India would still have lost the war where it not for Soviet Union
    Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway
    Pakistan couldnt also taken advantage during Operation Blue Star in punjab, or Sri Lanka Civil war, but Pakistan is not a country with designs on South Asia
    Kargil was a victory for Pakistan, and you have to remmeber LOC was only agreed in 2005 before that it was common for troops to take peaks and land

    India needs to accept, Pakistan will never submit to India ,no matter how hard india tries india brahmin elite need to come to term with existence of pakistan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    King,

    “” Pakistan destroyed the Soviet Union anyway”"
    “” Kargil was a victory for Pakistan “”

    Keep dreaming and please dont wake up otherwise you will
    see the truth and probably die of heart attack.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Yasser-Yousufi/100000785644348 Yasser Yousufi

    I guess Shahid Afridi was right after all. You Indians are biggest small minded pricks in the entire world.

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    Made.in India Reply:

    I guess Mullah Zaeef is right after all: “Pakistan … is so famous for treachery that it is said they can get milk from a bull. They have two tongues in one mouth, and two faces on one head so they can speak everybody’s language; they use everybody, deceive everybody.”

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is a throughly fraudulent, criminal entity. Absolutely nothing has changed in the criminal state which continues to train, arm terrorists against India and continues to protect 26/11 terrorists, IA Hijack terrorists and all others. its in India and world’s interests that Pakistan is contained, held accountable, isolated, marginalized and ostracized until it changes its policies or ceases top exist as Pakistan today.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan ’s juvenile obsession with Kashmir resulted in it becoming an arrmy ruled state, that committed genocide against its own citizens and losing 1/2 the country. Any state, with intelligence little more than a criminal moron, would have figured out that a state based on hateful bigotry of jinnah cannot sustain itself. Even today as it loses control over Baluchistan and Waziristans are ruled by militant groups , its criminal , corrupt and thug army/isi has not changed its ways and moron Pakistanis obviously continue to support the criminal entity.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan ’s juvenile obsession with Kashmir resulted in it becoming an arrmy ruled state, that committed genocide against its own citizens and losing 1/2 the country. Any state, with intelligence little more than a criminal moron, would have figured out that a state based on hateful bigotry of jinnah cannot sustain itself. Even today as it loses control over Baluchistan and Waziristans are ruled by militant groups , its criminal , corrupt and thug army/isi has not changed its ways and moron Pakistanis obviously continue to support the criminal entity.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ray-Kalm/100001696983976 Ray Kalm

    Screw off India. Even after us giving you most favoured nation, you keep laughing at us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What you say is anathor lie from the crminal entity of Pakistan. India gave Pakistan MFN status in 1996, hoping unilateral good gestures will invite positive reactions from Pakistan. What followed was indian airlines hijacking, Parliament attack, Kargil, 26/11 terrorist attack and numerous otrher terrorist attacks carried out by the terrorist wing of pak army/isi called LeT.

    Meanwhile, Pakistan has yet not given india MFN status but only declared an intent, which has no value and is anathor fraudulent move by Pakistan to win even more concessions without ever really removing trade barriers against India. i repeat, pakistan has not given MFN status to India yet and there is no time frame known by which that will be given.

    Its callous, clueless Indian leaders who countenance engagement with such a copngenitally criminal entity whose foundations are based on a vile ideology.

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  • Anonymous

    India should never forget , that at partition while Indian government and leaders tried best to promote communal harmony, stop riots the criminal Pakistan muslim league and Jinnah went on a genocide unprecedented in human history. The result while only 10-15% of Indian muslims left India , 90% of hindus and sikhs were killed or evicted from West Pakistan. Thats just a undeniable fact about the genocidal and criminal nature of Pakistan. Today, 150 million Muslims make india home, while Hindus and sikhs have been literally eliminated ( from 25% of population to 1% ) from Pakistan. The state promotes religious bigotry and is based on a criminal interpretaion of an ideology from 7th century Arabia. Thats why Pakistan is a criminal entity and a failed state and India is foolish to engage it. India should have minimal contact, isolate it and not engage thisa criminal entity in any way or shape or form. Any engagement will result in ghetting defrauded.

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  • Faheem

    Your article portrays a typical Hindu mentality where Pakistan hatred is institutionalized. Your media earns on Pakistan bashing, you are a bad neighbor, sorry to say.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What do you mean by typical Hindu mentality ? What would you say if someone said the vile, criminal conduct of Pakistan and your defense of the vile , criminality of pakistan army/isi ‘represents the typical ‘ islam mentality’

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  • Bilal

    World is not just a bulleted description of Powerpoint presentation. You have to taste yourself all the sweet and bitter realities in order to understand what life really is with the people you’re living next to. The problem with you Indians is that your heads are baffled by two major factors: one, international capitalists hold you to their heart for being a bigger market; it’s their coloured screen through which you’re supposed to see the world, not with your naked eyes. Two, Your cheap film industry shows you what you public want to see. Here, by ‘you’ i mean crowd or mob. Crowd is always headless when it demands something or expects something. Better if you have round of Pakistan once not restrictin to the five star hotels. I bet you’ll be loved even if you declare that you’re an Indian.
    Sounds strange?

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  • Faheem

    Typical Hindu mentality.

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  • Devadas.ch

    Arnab Mitraji I am a student of political science, your article is an eye opener because I could never have put my thoughts together in such a meaningful way that you explained the facts of the present Pakistan and its nature as a country, and its failures etc. No country raises to be a friendly country with hatred as its policy!That’s exactly what bothered me when BJP started a political party to stop the corrupted congress from doing all the evil.Neither, BJP nor the State of Pakistan should have started off with hatred as their everlasting motives! With hatred we can win nothing!
    devadas. cherukuri (Washington DC)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/BasitHabib Basit Habib

    Once world is free of such RACIST people there will be no HATRED, and when there will be no HATRED, there will be no TERRORIST. Biggest of all is state TERRORIST USA who caused death of millions of MUSLIMS around the WORLD in past one DECADE alone.

    A RACIST thinker will never UNDERSTAND this… !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Basit, most terrorists , Like LeT of Pak army/isi are inspired by a hateful criminal ideology that claims their religion/cult is the best and only religion while other religions are false. Unless that criminal ideology based on religion is isolated and contained, terrorists from LeT will find inspiration.

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  • engrich

    ur comments and observation shows that u are communal narrow minded and a stupid bengali.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile , whats so important about 24-28 Pak soldiers killed by US raid ? After all Pak army supports and protects criminal terrorist groups like LeT, jEm that have killed 1000s of civilians.
    More importantly, was it not the criminal, callous, coward Pak army that refused to accept for burial, 100s of its soldiers who were killed in Kargil ?

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    1989 Siachin War was started by Greedy India, which the bully of south Asia
    you are misinformed by your extremists right wing RSS media

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    Ha ? Pakistan has every right to take counter measures to stop indian hegemony ,you have admitted india seeks to impose its will, that makes india an evil imperialist country
    indian media is also sick, like fox news
    Pakistan is only a problem for America due to small afghan issue
    whilst India – pak issue is to do with kashmir occupation by india

    america has disputes with everyone, and india has disputes with all its neighbours
    who are you to say pakistan is a problem

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    What a pathetic article by a cowardly Indian.
    I too was glad when Kashmiri Freedom Fighters brought mumbai to a standstill for 3 days. Still they only killed 200 people, but the blood of 2000 unmarked Kashmiri graves it to be avenged
    Whole world knows India is trying to Israel of the region

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  • Anonymous

    The writer makes his/her point of view quite clear based on his/her perceptions.This much is obvious in the arguments provided to find “glee’ in Pakistans current predicament.

    From a narrow very nationalistic Indian point of view,Pakistan being “smacked” by US and unable to resond in “kind” is a payback for Indian frustrations,or the inability of their goverment to respond to Pakistani’s ‘acts’ in India.

    There will be many in India with the same glee and the writer just maybe representing those.

    The trouble with this view is that it misses the bigger picture of working with Pakistan to stabilise the region. By humiliating Pakistan,it will become harder to get it’s help to find a political solution in afghanistan and beyond.

    The counter view that Pakistan is just a bogey man for Indians to let their steam off is also strengthened with the writers mindset.

    The affects of foreign meddling in the region will be felt for decades and no regional goverment can taka a glee from it.

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  • Anonymous

    only thug criminal peddl;ers of the criminal entity of pakistan will talk about engaging pakistan, the same entity that protects Daood Ibrahim, trains kasav and thousands others terrorists to come into India and kill hundreds. But why just India, the criminal, coward pak army killed millions of its own citizens in East Pakistan and continues to do so in Baluchistan, even as its reduced to 1/2.

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    India the fascist animals who dont let american journalist go to kashmir should provide evidence ???

    all india did was provide leads, not evidence beyond reasonable doubt

    indians celebrated destruction of babri masjid and bombing in Pakistan,particulary the attack on Sri Lanka cricket team and Mariot hotel bombing

    Pakistani People and Army are united,and jihadist have nothing to do with Army.
    several countries ? indian are full of lies and phobia when it comes to pakistan

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  • http://twitter.com/maj9011 King

    he made a great point, Indians like to pretend they are victims when in reality it is they who are the nazis and go around attacking other countries through tamil tigers or consulates in afghanistan.

    Terror attacks in india are domestic issues, they are homegrown nothing to do with pakistan. where was your blue navy during mumbai attacks ? 26/11 was an inside job with the aim to kill all the senior mumbai police officers who were investigating hindu extremists

    brownie points ? is that how Indian logic works quote from bollywood and clap your hands

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2YD3ACPTZUGGUZ5H7WCWYAPNLA Ranjit

    Pakistan ,indeed a rogue state, needs some surgical operations to convert into a democratic set-up: but though the people of Pakistan bleed internally,it is surprising that they never try to be friendly with INDIA accept Wasim Akram in the world of cricket and that day even Imran Khan, the would be Pakistani President was arising the “K” issue in the same manner that his fathers and fore-fathers r to contemplate!
    I will give it straight : Let India support strategically Israel in breaking down the fanatic state because India , does not have the will power to blow the enemy!! So long Pakistan exists, India too,would be bleeding. No Indian political parties would disturb their “VOTE BANK” Muslim communities even knowing that many of them r pro- Pakistani and they would be opposing India’s anti-Pakistani stand.

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  • Anonymous

    There is a point of view that more you isolate and humiliate pakistan for its criminal, callous thuggish ways, the more infuriated its criminal army/isi become and sinks deeper into the cesspool of criminality on which the state is based, thus hastening its end. Why would enyone want to prolong a festering wound in S Asia called pakistan ? Adter its dissolution, there may be 3-4 states in its place, like Baluchistan, Sindh, Pak-punjab and then they can negotiate among themselves how to share the waters of river indus and how pak punjab can be given access to the sea. India should just ignore , isolate and disengage from tgis criminal entity and not help it in any shape or form.

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  • #1_Indian

    If the world seems in turmoil, full of hate, revenge and spite it is the writers like this being access to Media. HT is doing disservice to world community by allowing such narrow-minded, prejudiced and anti-Muslims writers access to a platform. They spew their venom based on very shallow and biased interpretation of History and by deliberately twisting facts. HT has become a galvanizing point for sordid characters who spread spite in the world.

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    macaby Reply:

    Kindly explain what is ANTI-MUSLIM about this article?

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  • Anonymous

    well, I’m prepred to do soemthing rather than be cynical and resign myself to the Chinese as a super power.

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  • Anonymous

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    The bottomline:
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    Pakistan state is itself based on the iodeology of religious bigotry, hate and criminality as spewed by its criminal founder Jinnah. The pakistan constitution itself promotes and protects that ideology.
    While Nehru-Gandhi faught for tolerance , secularism and unity, the criminal jinnah promoted communalism.
    Thats why only 15% muslims left India while 90-95% Hindu skihs were killed or expelled by jinnah’s criminal pakistan.
    There is no point ignoring facts and history. Hitlers Germany and his hateful ideology was not dismantled by making excuses for it as many criminal pakistanis are doing here. Make no mistake, Pakistan is a greater criminal than hitkers Germany. Thankfully the world is gradually realizing it.

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  • http://profiles.google.com/muhammad.ilyas.pk Muhammad Ilyas

    Pakistan always think for global peace and harmony because every Muslim believes and taught of this. What India and Indians do for global peace. I remember the court verdict on Babri Masjid where it is clearly mentioned who were behind that. Does Indian government took any action? The same sectarian group also threaten IPL sponsors for Pakistan cricketers.
    Relating to your allegations; buddy do you personally know what proofs/documents shared with Pakistan on Mumbai incident. The shared evidences were bullshit.
    ISI has gathered hundreds of thousands proof and also jailed many of RAW agents in Pakistan.
    I will recall; Indian RAW agents operated an operation against PCB and attack Sri Lankan team in Punjab.
    This is Pakistan only who still wants to sit together to resolve the conflicts and the major will always remain Kashmir.

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    RajX Reply:

    “Pakistan will always think of global peace”. HAHAHAHA

    Don’t you have any shame at all saying things things that everyone knows is a lie? Of course you have no shame. After all you are from the Islamist cesspool which is temporarily called Pakistan and soon to be called the worlds largest toxic nuclear dump.

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    vick hard Reply:

    Pakistan cannot govern itself properly with the land it has now and begging for aid from US and IMF. Why it wants Kashmir?

    Pakistan is a nation in peril if it cannot control its terrorists and grow economically.

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  • RajX

    Pakis can only have wet dreams. Pitiable and pathetic arabized society.

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  • RajX

    This righteousness from an arabized Pakistani who sent fanatical killers like kasab to kill nonmuslims. Have you exhindu converts lost your conscience? Has the Arab cult done that to you?

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  • http://twitter.com/speed_racer777 vick hard

    I want US next to invade and occupy Pakistan and deactivate all nuclear missiles before it gets into the hands of terrorists. There are terrorists within ISI and Pakistan military. ISI and Pakistan army have recruited Taliban and Al Queda specifically for creating trouble in India. This is a well documented fact and confirmed by CIA and FBI

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  • macaby

    and you are an ISI scumbag!!

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan is threat, China is threat, Nepal is threat and even heard U.S. is threat, threat…threat..threat sound like Bollywood new theme song.Stop braying like donkey”s act like shers{lions}.Build the country, keep your eyes open, carry a big stick and offer no jokes.Indian politicians are jokers with loaded deck, clean your deck and vote for strong patriot Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    I have noticed that the standard of reporting among the media in our country is very poor compared to western countries. Many articles contains one sided reporting, there are numerous spelling and grammar mistakes even in our national news papers. But one aspect we seem to excel in is negativity and exaggeration. Articles are published with controversial titles to attract readers and stories are exaggerated to create controversy. Such tactics are in poor taste because individuals form their opinion on what they hear on the television, read on the newspaper etc so the media should be more ethical. Therefore, the media in both countries should highlight things we have in common and not fan paranoia. Personally, I hope Indian and Pakistan government can work together and build economic ties, which can benefit both countries. Lastly, I reside in a western county and I have witnessed people from both communities getting along with each other really well. They want things to improve in their respective country so they are not reminded by the western people that they come from a developing nation. They want the standard of living to improve and increase in employment opportunities so they won’t have to leave their homeland for a better life elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    The writers personal bias ruins the article from being fair/balanced. The article justifies the killing of human beings, and the writer states such attacks satisfying. I am sorry to say, but killing of individuals are only satisfying to those who are blind with hatred, which the writer clearly displays in the article. I am a human being and I don’t care if an individual is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh etc. I have friends from different communities and we are friends because we have things we common and not because we happen to belong to the same faith, caste, region etc. Anyway, I hate political debates about India/Pakistan because it’s pointless. The solution requires sacrifice from both sides but it’s unlikely to happen. It will be wiser if the current young educated generation takes a different approach to this problem from the past generations. An approach which seeks to resolve the problem in a diplomatic way, not through proxy war.

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  • Anonymous

    Not a single individual has contradicted the facts of the criminal nature of the pak state, its army and isi, with any rational facts or arguments. The rest is all bs. Unless Pakistan is appraised based on facts fo what it is, how can someone resolve a strategy to counter act the menance that the pak state, army, isi and the ideology it propogates engenders.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ali-Larter/100001970700213 Ali Larter

    Pakistan a country made up of lazy youth who believe in reading pointless religious theology in some god forsaken religious school.
    The Pakistani youth could not use its time in making itself useful like its neighbors India and China–whose GDP’s are close to double digits due to their youth who have successfully educated themselves in technical education making their countries IT and manufacturing hubs.The fate of a country depends upon its youth and not upon the military or the government–if the people of Pakistan choose to be lazy uneducated and unemployed,misinterpret religion to incite violence and promote polygamy,progressively push the country into the stone age so be it.

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  • Anonymous

    Meanwhile, once you stop equating Islam with criminal Pak entity, you will stop seeing criticism of Pakistan’s policies, its army/ISI and the multitude of crimes it has committed against humanity in last 60 years, as criticism of Islam. No one has defamed islam all over the world than Pakistan, by calling itself an Islamic state.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jabli-Izvesti/100003096480500 Jabli Izvesti

    This particulat attack on the Pakistani soldiers could very well be the result of a real mistake.American military is not as competent as it is touted to be.They make plenty of mistakes like any other military.

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  • associatedtaxis

    dont you just hate smarmy ugly black baboon face indians when they try to ape western writers and their do-good finger pointing. indians and they kauthiliyan snake like traits. it is india and its hegemonistic designs, its india that stole kashmir, india that started terrorism through mukhti bahini in bangladesh that split pakistan in two, in rann of kutch, in baluchistan, india stole siachen, in water issues in countless other issues always formenting truble. the sun DOES NOT SHINE OUT OF INDIAS ARSE,. Blame everything on pakistan but most of indias neighbours hate india as a big bully. pakistan will not bow down to indian bullying

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  • Anonymous

    Not only your colleague was agahast at your inhuman happines,but any human of any country with normal sensitivity should also be aghast at it.There is a kind of rabidity in the anti-Pakistan views of Indian scribes and the so-called intellectuals.There is a total failure of understanding of the interests of our country as well as of Pakistan.Even America should not be happy with the violation of Pakistan sovereignty.if the action was erroneous,NATO(virtually America) should punish the guilty and compensate the affected families for the loss of life and damage of property to Pakistan.If it was a deliberate action.
    America has lost one of its staunch supporters and may soon start paying for this loss,if China-backed Pakistan really does whai it has stated.
    We have a govt the policies and actions of which encourage terrorism and grow it in India.Terrorism and communalism which Sonia flaunts as secularism is the basis of Congress’s hold on power.The day congress is routed,and that day is not far off, Indo-Pak relations will normalize.Similarly our relations with China will improve.It will be sheer impudence to quarrel with China when the US is afraid of it.America knows as the rest of the world does that china is as powerful,if not more powerful than America.America is making just customary noises about its sole super power staus to use countries like India,against China.And if not thrown out of power soon,congress may involve India in anti-india deals as it did in the nucluer deal.
    .China has another big advantage;She has not made enemies as America has done.Fair weather friends of America may desert her in a crisis.

    Terrorism is no longer Pakistan’s cup of tea.Our relations can quickly improve,if Chidambrams and Anthonies are booted out So,let’s stop cribbing against Pakistan and focus on the ousting of UPA for bringing trillions of dollars of black-money and scam money.That will boost the growth of our economy and consequent growth of strength in the world.China didn’t have to prove her strength by attacking other countries.But she hasn’t ever hesitated to challenge America wherever her national interests were involved.When we have honest and dedicated leaders at the helm of affairs,we will quickly adopt wise and country-centered policies and actions.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The distinction between taliban and Pakistan army has been blurring with time. Pakistan army has been trained to fight for “Islam” and not Pakistan which makes them little different from jehadi terrorists. An incident like this was waiting to happen.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_U4ULIXX5BGHH5K737D3DTTPRXY Made.in India

    The only credit Pakistan can claim for its 64 years of existence is the manufacturing and export of high grade terrorism…. they desrve every bit of what they are getting.

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  • Anonymous

    Dasg,

    Dont you know that destroying temples, Gurdwaras is peaceful act.
    Isnt it Mr. Muhammad Ilyas ?

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  • Anonymous

    You want India to be destroyed so that you can remove Indian from
    your name and call yourself only — A proud Muslim.
    Is that right ?

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  • Arnab Mitra

    Peace will reign if only the Pakistani govt stops exporting terror, dismantles the terror infrastructure in that country and books those wanted for murder/terrorist attacks in India. You’ll find India and Indians taking 10 steps to normalise relations for every step Pakistan takes. But I don’t see any attempt on Islamabad’s part to move in that direction. You’re right” peace is impossible with such a mentality.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Arnab Mitra, has raised specific points and the blog is based on facts and not fiction. Other than mumbo-jumbo about peace, I have not seen a single cogent criticism about what specifically is not right in the points he has raised. For too long, the mainstream media, has sought to overlook the incorrigibly venal and duplicitous nature of the pak entity. Even the so called MFN status to India, 16 years after India gave it to Pakistan, is just a media farce and a typical pakistani fraud and lie. There has been no action by Pak to reciprocate that and Mr Geelani, has gone back on his word to say no final decision has been taken.
    You have to be a moron to not see that pak army/isi and the state is at the core of every criminal enterprise and terrorist groups that operate against India from army/isi thug ruled state of pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

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    What has 60 years of efforts to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ??
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    From Gandhi-Nehru, through Shashtri-Indira, Desai-Vajpayee to Manmohan what has India’s policy to foster friendship with Pakistan given us ? It has given us 4 wars, all launched by Pakistan . It has given us extermination of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan and genocide of Bengali Hindus in East Pakistan. It has given us a state that has trained, financed the worst criminals to hijack our planes, attack Parliament, attack temples, provide shelter to Daood and launch 26/11 attack.

    No you may not need to hate Pakistan but loving genocidal criminals from commuinal Jinnah-Iqbal to Yahya-Tikka Khan of the 3 million genocide of Bangladesh, to butcher Zia-UlHaq to the Kargil criminal Musharraf to the originators of 26./11 Kayani-Pasha , there is nothing to love in the bigoted Pakistani state.

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  • Anonymous

    @Mr Arnab Mitra,
    I have a request.
    Mr Joginder Nath Mondal of WB in 1940-ties, played a crucial role in the division of India , as he and 4 other legislators provided crucial support to Jinnah’s Muslim League to form government in undivided Bengal and then in division of India. Mr Mondal gave up everything in India and migrated to Pakistan in 1947. Here is his letter of resignation from Jinnah-Liaqat Pakistan government 3 years later in Oct 1950, when he fled to Calcutta India to save his life.
    Please read it in full as its an insiders account of the chartacter and nature of the Pak state.
    Link provided below.

    http://www.mayerdak.com/root/jnmandal.htm

    (numerous other links to can be found for this historic resignation letter )
    This letter in my opinion must be compulsary reading for anyone studying Indian history for the events surrounding 1947.

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  • Anonymous

    IstThe weakening or disentegration of W Pakistan in Indian interests ?
    Do we have state sponsored terrorism from East Pakistan anymore ? No. Infact, Bangladesh has now banned religious parties from parliamentary elections and the state is not engaged in arming, training and protecting jihadi terrorists. If W Pakistan disintegrates into Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan and Punjab, in all likelihood, Sindh, Baluchistan, Pakhtoonistan will be non-terrorist-sponsor states. Yes Pakistan Punjab will remain a criminal thug entity engaged in terrorism. But it will be much weaker and engaged in fights with other ex-units of Pakistan. So Indian should either totally ignore and isolate w pakistan or provide moral and diplomatic support to the units and people that want to get out of the pak punjabi army criminal ideology and rule.

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  • Anonymous

    In Pakistan, the entire state is based on false-hood. They teach utter false-hoods and have deleted Hindus and Sikhs from there history and have adopted the murderers of their own ancestors as their heroes. In India the state is secular. The students are taught Mughal history with equal fervour to other periods of Indian history. Akbar is praised and eulogized , while the communal killer and thug Aurangzeb is critically appraised. In Pakistan, Aurangzeb is the hero ! Mahmud of Ghazni, Mahmud of Ghori , Timur-e-langra – all bandits and thugs , who are not even from Pakistan, have been adopted as their ancestors. So no amount of rationality or talk of peace is going to change the ground reality of a state born out of communal bigotry and ideology of Jinnah and now occupied by his rightful heirs – the taleban, LeT , Pak army/ISI.

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  • Anonymous

    US-based Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai pleads guilty to charges of spying for ISI

    WASHINGTON: US-based Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, accused of being an ISI agent and trying to influence American policy on Kashmir has pleaded guilty on federal charges of spying for the Pakistani spy agency.

    Fai also acknowledged receiving money from the Pakistani spy agency through clandestine routes and causing revenue losses.

    Pleading before the US Eastern District Court of Virginia on Wednesday, Fai pleaded guilty and agreed to the charges of federal prosecutors that he received at least $3.5 million from ISI between 1990 to 2011. This resulted in a revenue loss of between $200,000 to 400,000 to the US government.

    His sentencing is scheduled for March 9. Fai agreed before the court that he was in direct contact with the ISI officials including the head of its security directorate.

    He conceded receiving talking points from ISI regarding what to say and write. He agreed that he received directions from ISI with regard to which specific individuals to invite for KAC conferences.

    Fai, 62, has consented to forfeit all four bank accounts in his name or in the name of KAC totalling about $140,000. He also agreed before the court that he had send to the ISI annual budget of the KAC for approval.

    He continues to be under house arrest till the time of his sentencing. Fai was arrested on spying charges on July 19 and then put under house arrest.

    A resident of Fairfax Virginia, an affluent suburb of Washington DC, Fai was head of the Kashmiri American Council (KAC) and claimed to lobby on behalf of the people of Kashmir.

    Federal prosecutors, in their submission before the court, have charged him with working for the ISI and accepting millions of dollars from the spy agency.

    He is accused of funnelling $4 million ISI money into the US to influence country’s Kashmir policy.

    His handlers in Pakistan allegedly funnelled millions through the Kashmir Centre to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington, US attorney Neil MacBride had said in July.

    “Mr Fai is accused of a decades-long scheme with one purpose to hide Pakistan’s involvement behind his efforts to influence the US government’s position on Kashmir,” MacBride had said.

    The affidavit alleged that although the KAC held itself out to be a Kashmiri organisation run by Kashmiris and financed by Americans, it was one of three “Kashmir Centers” that are actually run by elements of the Pakistani government, including ISI. The two other Kashmir Centers are in London and Brussels.

    The FBI had arrested Fai for allegedly collaborating with ISI by “clandestinely” funnelling hundreds and thousands of dollars to change the view of American lawmakers on Kashmir.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-based-Kashmiri-separatist-Ghulam-Nabi-Fai-pleads-guilty-to-charges-of-spying-for-ISI/articleshow/11023279.cms

    ( Some of the money paid by ISI made it into the pockets of Indian journalists , who take a soft, pro-pak position in Indian media )

    Question is how many people has government of India successfully prosecuted for receiving funds from ISI to conduct terrorism inside India ? The case against jihadi Saeed Geelani went no where and he has been freely doing pro-pak propoganda for last 30 years in India.

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  • Anonymous

    Arnab Mitra,
    I think you will not survive in HT for very long. This paper is controlled by fake-liberal-secular extremists.

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  • Ravi

    Let me confess: I also find Anna Hazare preachy, prickly, sanctimonious, dogmatic and dictatorial.

    For reasons listed above some clever person has given him the sobriquet TalibAnna.

    If team Anna had stuck to a single issue – corruption – then it would have acted as a pressure group and would probably have been more effective.

    By widening its agenda and attacking other people, it has become just another political party. If that is what they want then they will have to participate in electoral process and if mandated can bring about the Lokbal Bill of its choice and ferocity.

    Parliament must remain supreme.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna is from very begging arrogant, dictator everybody accept his order.His only qualification is he can sustain hunger some day. On this capital he agitating movement against corruption in Maharashtra from last forty years..Remove this minister send jail to that officers this kind of demand he forced on government.He have no knowledge how corruption arises,how we can reduce corruption.? Corruption is very deeply inserted in our psyche.Hindu too much afraid to break the law of caste religion but not afraid to break the law of government.He think himself guilty when consciously or unconsciously he break the law of religion but never feel guilty when he break the law Government on the contrary he think government doing injustice for punishing him. When Laloo Yadhav came out of jail on bail he declared what is wrong if I went jail even Lord Krishna was also in jail

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  • Yahoo1

    Govintra: Anyone in the whole world , who is against corruption is against Congress.

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  • Guest

    Cunningly crafted article to personally attack and malign an ex-soldier who by some unknown who believes in a “mandate” to stand against corruption. Pathetic article by a low life human being.

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    Bob M Reply:

    I’m sorry to disappoint you…not an ‘ex soldier’ but an ‘ex army truck driver’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any member of the land component of an armed forces is termed as soldier. Please don’t get disappointed. Understand English. Ignore Italian.

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    Go Anna Reply:

    Bob, When IEDs go off the brave truck driving soldiers get killed, not the generals.
    Take some time off from being stupid and have some shame. Meantime go Anna.

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  • Gargmurari

    How much money you have taken to write this article from Congress.

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  • Support Anna

    1) Mr Arnab Mitra wants to get his article published by negative publicity
    2) HT is another congress-pro news reporter
    3)Govt is forcing these channels to change the peoples mind.
    4)All the above

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  • Indian

    Why you are writing on behalf of NRI, I am also NRI and support Anna ji. It seems Arnab Mitra is a Congress agent like Digvijay Singh, whose only motive is to have a weak effective lokpall bill and please congress party

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  • anil

    Are you practising an year 7/8 essay?
    Even kids in schools can write better with sensible arguments, now a days!

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  • Bevinda Collaco

    We, and when I say we, I mean those who support Team Anna, are not electing Anna Hazare to make laws for the country. A substantial section of the citizens of India stand solidly behind him for one thing and one thing only – getting the government to adopt a tough Lokpal Bill. The rest of it, the flogging of alcoholics who beat up their families in Ralegaon Siddhi, Bhushan’s views on Kashmir, FDI, or smearing the holy cows of India Sonia, her son, her daughter and her son-in-law, though of interest to the nation as a whole are incidentals. They are being used by ‘intellectuals’ like you to obfuscate the main thrust of the movement.

    We are interested in the Lokpal Bill. We want the CBI to be under a strong Lokpal. It is a matter of shame that the 2G scamsters are sitting in Tihar, or were sitting in Tihar ONLY because the Supreme Court was monitoring the case. We want the lower bureaucracy to come under a strong Lokpal. Candidates pay up to Rs 3 lakh in bribes to get a job in the lower bureaucracy in government. They have to recover that money.And finally the Prime Minister. He or she should also be answerable to the Lokpal. At the same time the Lokpal has to have balances and checks. That is what those who look to Anna Hazare and his team to push the Bill through are hoping for.

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  • Guest

    His not wearing Anna Cap’s is not going to make any difference to this movement.I would question this person’s integrity before he raises a finger on Anna.I also wonder how a useless article like this got space on this newspaper.

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  • Kattooparambil

    The BJP is jumping into Anna bandwagon is to fish in the trouble waters-congress headed UPA is beset by venality. Anna is an antithesis of Gandhian ideologies, who has some extreme views-like violence against people. He is a disgrace to call himself as a Gandhian. He is an attention seeker who is set out to wipe out corruption from the Indian polity and has corrupt ones in his fold and the BJP is also one big happy with corrupt ones in its fold as well. Combination is the key to impact; the Anna coteries and the BJP are the perfect combination-like Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Even more bizarre is Anna is going to bed with the BJP-a member of the BJP’s parent organization, the RSS killed Mahatma Gandhi.

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  • Greatthnkr

    Anna has sacrificed every thing what he has and willing to sacrifice every thing for the future of this country. There is no personal gain for this soul who has led a life of sacrifice for the betterment of the people. Only an individual who lives this life can pass a judgement on a person of his stature.

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  • Virumandi

    Even if you want to, you cant be Anna. Paid blogger A$$Ho!e. BTW, the issue is removal of corruption. Kongross is digging it own grave by throwing muck on Team Anna.

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  • Virumandi

    Even if you want, you cant be. Paid Kongross blogger. Kongross is digging its own grave by throwing muck on Team Anna.

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  • Virumandi

    no one can stop the movement.

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  • Nsharma

    Anything written objectively and thought provoking is labelled as congress propaganda.
    Keep it up ,very well written

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  • Deepak

    Who gave Anna the right to represent all people. I too was supporting him initially, until I saw more of him. He didn’t say a word against the Modi Govt not appointing a Lokayukta for 7 years. And not a single comment against corruption in the BJP. Yet, he has extended his scope to tell people to vote against Congress in Hissur. And he has been bashing Congress leadership with vague baseless statements. Add to that his flip flop on the Pawar slapping incident. And the reaction of his cronies to the corruption issues against them. I still support Anna’s efforts to get a strong Lokpal bill through as also anyone else on the same issue. But Anna’s real agenda and political bent makes him unappealing on the rest of the issues he is extending to.

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  • Anonymous

    I agree with the blog, especially part on being dictatorial. Here is guy that seems to be fighting corruption by not checking that around the people surrounding him and I at times feel he is fighting corruption or the administration in the guise of corruption. I was on his side until it became to wacky in his own circles. By doing what he is doing, he is placing too much trust in the people opposing the govt who themselves aren’t any saintly. One disadvantage he has is that he had never been in administration (pardon me if he had held some position in the past and I’m ignorant of the fact) to know how changes need to be implemented. I don’t think he should try to destabilize the govt (I’m not a fan of any particular political party) to get what he wants –without any clear understanding of what the country wants.

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  • Anonymous

    I think he can have his own independent thought that you and Anna don’t like

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  • http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com Samir Srivastava

    How many people vote to elect these parliamentarians? Are they true representatives? We need ELECTORAL reforms. We need good education. So that people can make good educated decision while polling. We need to sit down and devise carefully new system in place of our hopelessly broken system whether in India (largest Democracy) or USA (Greatest Democracy, they too have lobbyists etc…). We have the system where GDP is NOT at all reflected in the Quality of Life of Citizens. We need to eradicate misuse of privacy, IMO, lokpal bill is just for corruption in public life… When watchers get corrupted then? Judiciary, PM, UN Human Rights Council, etc….

    Is there anyone on this planet who has not done single WRONG
    (unfair) thing in his life even as childhood activity… Even hinud gods Rama killed Bali from behind the Tree, Krishna (Butter Thief) also played tricks in Mahabharata..

    Sir could you fast for a day for the common man?

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  • NpIrnbru16

    Good article, but do u write same things for Sibal or Sonia?

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  • Sb

    another paid article by Govt. Utterly shallow and baseless argument. Can he say with the other person in the govt? Why object someone who is fighting for ppl. This is a ploy to confuse the minds of the ppl.

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  • TopCorner

    I agree with “SB”. Its not about Anna… Its about people. He is asking for a better future, which Indian politicians were not able to provide to indian people even after 60 years of indepenedence. Only SCAM and SCAM…. Also this article is very much paid… Its quite visible. I haate HT for this.

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  • Indian

    Why do you not write about what you disagree with in the article ??Why are you so biased that any article against Anna is being brushed aside ??His own conduct is suspect with him going maun when Kiran bedi …

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  • PJ

    Mr Indian… Or Mr Aam Aadmi.. Or whoever You are… I hope You are truly indian because what ever you are saying is totaly bluff! and you are trying to convince the people of india that there is a better life after death.. And about HT.. Dear Sir it is the people who are going to make your newspaper number one and not congress so please stick to honest reporting as it is required from a matured Newspaper such as yours or are you trying to gain cheap publicity as Miss rakhi Sawant does so often!!

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  • Sb

    who says you have to agree with him but don’t hinder it.. this is just a beginning.. someone has to start the revolution… u are talking only when he has raised it publicly

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  • Indian

    Very easy to paint some one with tar .I think the points raise by the writer ring a cord with a majority of the people o the country.The country wants answers not baseless comments like you have written.Why not answer point by point i you think you have a point of view ??

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  • PJ

    Hahaha Yes it strikes a point with the people that is why u can see so many people at the jantar mantar!

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  • Indian

    Is Anna some angel that he has no failings? Everybody else seems to be wrong but him. What stand!

    I wish he acted more like JP, at least JP openly supported one party over the other during the emergency.

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  • Irnbru16

    Good article, but do u write same things for Sibal or Sonia?

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  • GS

    Straight from Congressi HQ. Arnab kitney mai bech diya apna IMAAN.

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  • Tina

    I have always supported corruption. I have always supported corrupt politicians. I will support corrupt Sonia and incompetent Rahul Gandhi who has to read a speech , lust like his mommy.
    Rahul’s great grandpa, grandma, father and mother were all corrupt politicians.
    Totally agreed.
    Still I will support them.
    i will never support Anna or anyone’s Anti-corruption movements.

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  • Sam

    You can always find a reason to blame anyone. You are just helping deviating public from the main topic. Personally I don’t care about Anna’s views on other matters. But the issue he is raising now matters most to me. I find journalists like you as a keyboard warrior who will never importance to the main topic, but everything else.

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  • Mohan

    very true. these people are not important to us as they do not care of public good. What is important to all of us is what Anna is attempting to do because that will potentially turn millions of lives around for the betterment.

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  • Guest

    Still another brilliant analysis. Who’s actually deviating from the main topic of corruption? Team Anna members or Arnab Mitra?

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  • Singh

    exactly!!!!!!!

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  • Ravi

    Mr Mitra
    Tragedy of professional class is exactly what you are going through . Before we achieve our objective , we start analyzing our action and start dragging our feet. You must analyzed how your criticism of annaji is going to affect this movement. This movement is against corruption and what kesariwal or x,y,z is saying or how some team member behaving shoul not matter because they are seasoned politician. We should give them opportunity to improve . Yes if they have done any thing wrong action should be taken but government should pass strong lokpal bill. One can see how political class has cleverly tried to buy time and has tried to discredit Anna team. They are not interested in lokpal bill because they do not want to give up their power to loot this country. After 60 years of independence, politicians of all parties have not done any thing to remove corruption. All are beneficiary to loot , some directly, some indirectly. Let us support annaji in this movement. This is last chance to get lokpal bill. You and others like you and me have no time do any thing for this country which this old grand man called annaji is doing at the age of 75 plus. Get up man , do some thing and stop criticizing.

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  • Sanj

    It is shocking to see that most of the main newspapers in India is under the influence of corrupt Indians. I fed up with TOI and for a change typed Hindustan Times in google. Now, look at this article. Another paid penpusher’s unsolicited opinion published here. These kinds of people are the curse of modern India and should be considered as an antinational pest. He is trying his best to stress that he is against corruption and trying to divide anti corruption supporters, but in an idiotic way apparently supporting the corrupt politicians and defaming the individuals who is selflessly leading the anticorruption campaign. He is manipulating the whole anti corruption campaign and challenging the intelligence of the readers. What a shame on Hindusan Times by publishing these third rated article.

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  • Gsmahla

    Who has given any right to this Hazare & the company to speak on behalf of the people of India??

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  • Govintra

    You are right. Let the elected members rule and loot the India.

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  • Sanj

    It is shocking to see that most of the main newspapers in India is under the influence of corrupt Indians. I fed up with TOI and for a change typed Hindustan Times in google. Now, look at this article. Another paid penpusher’s unsolicited opinion published here. These kinds of people are the curse of modern India and should be considered as an antinational pest. He is trying his best to stress that he is against corruption and trying to divide anti corruption supporters, but in an idiotic way apparently supporting the corrupt politicians and defaming the individuals who is selflessly leading the anticorruption campaign. He is manipulating the whole anti corruption campaign and challenging the intelligence of the readers. What a shame on Hindusan Times by publishing these third rated article.

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  • Rahul

    Hope khaungrass paid you well to sell your soul. Thankfully the average Indian is smarter and can read through the paid articles.

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  • TopCorner

    Agree with Rahul. Atleast there is a Rahul who understands the difference in paid and genuine articles. Jai Hind mere dost. Long Live India and lets hope for a better and scam-free india.

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  • Delhite

    Why are u a BJP /RSS guy ??? If any one who question Anna is a Congressman ??

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  • Cynic

    Hello!! What mandate??
    Anna came out alone, people joined him because they were fed up.
    So if you think you are giving some sort of “mandate” to Anna, just get lost. He doesn’t need “mandate” or support of cowards who need a 75 yr to go hungry for 15 days to rouse them out of their sleep.Take your mandate and leave.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    Our biggest problem is, we are afraid of leading a good cause but if someone doses it for us we criticize him or her to show I am an intellectual. I think we don’t need so-called intellectuals like this gentleman.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    truly…….d pseudointellectuals will ruin ol d efforts made by any ppl……

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    I share the same views as the writer. I lost faith in Anna when he started literally lying after “just one slap” remark and his narrow views on FDI – especially his comments about East India Company. Anna seems to me like very simple and old fashioned person, but he cannot go on acting he knows everything.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    ‘anna’ says what he is paid do say, isn’t that obvious?? Whom are we kiddin here?

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  • Guest

    Really? I thought you were anna and wanted to be Anna lol

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  • Ravi

    Mlamba

    If I am from Mars then you must be from Venus.

    Parliament must remain supreme.

    The Parliamentarians are corrupt, I would agree, but they were elected by their constituents. Anna is not mandated by any one.. He is free to get elected and then fight corruption from within the Parliament.

    The Parliamentarians are corrupt because our whole society is corrupt.

    So I think if you look in the mirror then you will see a man who is aloof from reality and steeped into an unreal form of idealism.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Wanted to reply to you, but only in 10 minutes or so, the blog has gone viral and I do not have patience/ time to go that far back. You said people who welcomed Arnab Mitra’s last post should eat crow? why, what is there which suggests that you have discovered a perfect hook for Vijay and Co.? First few lines of Arnab, where he is in total agreement with Anna and his motive, to remove corruption from public life, is all that is supported by 99% of people. Rest is aberration, which must not be there but some how one feels that Arnab is saying here–U unwashed, trying to preach us. While he was silent, when just behind the veneer of being politico ( MPs, MLAs or just office holders), this class was riding roughshod over everybody.

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  • http://twitter.com/lofty2304 lofty

    Mr Mitra, you picked on the wrong guy. Anna hazare…..bad timing Mr Mitra..now time for my 2 cents. i totally agree with you. i am shocked and mortified at how intolerant people are for anything negative said against anna hazare. well we are a democracy so deal with it. from lokapl bill …F.D.I….now whiskey….he wants them all… good intention but i love my whiskey …so my viewpoint is “butt out” Mr hazare.. learn to be more flexible…and.. Mr kekriwal….i see a politician in the making and a damm good one too… Mrs Bedi…you madam were my hero still are but show some flexibility.. live and let live… “I agree to disagree with you all”.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shekhar-Lamba/100000180826821 Shekhar Lamba

    Dear Mr. Mitra… It is sad that the media and journalist like you have mess up this country. Like the congress says to team ANNA to contest elections … I suggest before you give your views please prove that if you can be like Annaji ,,,,,,, just fast for 3 days an d I will admire you as the most dedicate Journalist of this country. I will accept that you are not the one who is looking out for stories for fame and wealth….. Jai hind

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  • Concerned about India

    You are absolutely right and our country in in need of objective thinker like you. Sadly people are following Anna as some kind saviour, but people need to put their trust in our democratic institutions.

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  • engrich

    hate is duty and lie is staple food for people like arnab

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  • Shraman N L

    Very good article.

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  • ajay

    very well written. sumant can u suggest CNG factory fitted car in range of 5 lakh ?

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  • akshay

    I HEARD THAT ANY gas ENGINE WILL BE DOWN AFTER 60,000 KMS IS IT TRUE ?
    PLZ LET ME KNOW IF THERE WILL BE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GAS AND OTHER FUELS ??
    PLZ REPLY ME AT katakam.akshay@gmail.com

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  • James Allen

    There is another problem which is not addressed in the CNG cons, that is the cars servicing. The cars using CNG will take up more air and thus the air filter will need to be changed frequntly, it also dirties the mobil so the oil change frequency needs to be increased. These costs do add up.

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  • James Allen

    There is another problem which is not addressed in the CNG cons, that is the cars servicing. The cars using CNG will take up more air and thus the air filter will need to be changed frequntly, it also dirties the mobil so the oil change frequency needs to be increased. These costs do add up.

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  • Nepal ko choro

    U ******* indians killed our royal family and u fuckers hate friendship between nepal and china…******* murderers!!!

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  • Nepal ko choro

    U ******* indians kileed our royal family who never wish to see developed nepal….u dhotis always wants unstabalise nepal…we will surely take revenge one day!!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jaydeepxp Jay Deep Ghosh

    Indians like status quo, they tend to oppose everything that unbalances their status quo.
    I clearly remember one hot and humid evening in 1993 in June in one small town in Assam at the venue of a small meeting and picketing in the town hall. There was a union leader in Dept. of Telecom, who painted a apocalyptic picture of privatization of telecom industry and the huge losses it would bring to a profitable government venture. I am glad to say he was wrong in every form, idea and notion. From a time where having a telephone would be abhorred as it would bring in the notice of unfriendly IT people, it has led to a situation now where the mobile is ubiquitous in the hands of rishkawallas.
    May be those who oppose FDI in retail might be proved right in future, but I am skeptical as it has never harmed any country where it had been allowed, moreover we already have big retail. Or, it could be otherwise like the telecom story. But those leaders have never been redressed for their opposition of privatisation of telecom industry. I am still on the look out of that man who fed misinformation to me and a small band of people on that July day. The big fact is that people oppose without any scruples.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/jaydeepxp Jay Deep Ghosh

    Indians like status quo, they tend to oppose everything that unbalances their status quo.
    I clearly remember one hot and humid evening in 1993 in June in one small town in Assam at the venue of a small meeting and picketing in the town hall. There was a union leader in Dept. of Telecom, who painted a apocalyptic picture of privatization of telecom industry and the huge losses it would bring to a profitable government venture. I am glad to say he was wrong in every form, idea and notion. From a time where having a telephone would be abhorred as it would bring in the notice of unfriendly IT people, it has led to a situation now where the mobile is ubiquitous in the hands of rishkawallas.
    May be those who oppose FDI in retail might be proved right in future, but I am skeptical as it has never harmed any country where it had been allowed, moreover we already have big retail. Or, it could be otherwise like the telecom story. But those leaders have never been redressed for their opposition of privatisation of telecom industry. I am still on the look out of that man who fed misinformation to me and a small band of people on that July day. The big fact is that people oppose without any scruples.

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