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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Vikram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont u think these guys r crazy to still communicate in pics ..isnt it what their characters are .. to write house -- draw one ..phew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont u think these guys r crazy to still communicate in pics ..isnt it what their characters are .. to write house &#8212; draw one ..phew</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bicker on border, bond over brides by Rajeev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess Indian girls should get set to marry chinese as they have being for decades marrying Pakistanis and muslims.

This intermarriages have definitely helped Indo-Pak relations. Didn't we all see BARAAT from pakistan on 26/11?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess Indian girls should get set to marry chinese as they have being for decades marrying Pakistanis and muslims.</p>
<p>This intermarriages have definitely helped Indo-Pak relations. Didn&#8217;t we all see BARAAT from pakistan on 26/11?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bicker on border, bond over brides by Ankit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ankit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And i guess better Indo-Chinese food too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And i guess better Indo-Chinese food too <img src='http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/middle-order/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Bicker on border, bond over brides by Varun Mahajan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Varun Mahajan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indians and Chinese should be having more intermarrying. At least this will reduce border tensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indians and Chinese should be having more intermarrying. At least this will reduce border tensions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Samar Halarnkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samar Halarnkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely piece Patil</description>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Shri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hen hao! 

I think the fun in learning Chinese begins with understanding of this confusion in pronunciation of English letters. What we consider as English is generally the Pinyin. [Pinyin is used for romanization of Mandarin. Computer keyboards and mobile phone keypads use pinyin to convert roman keys into Mandarin character.]

This common experience of 'p' &#38; 'b' , 't' &#38; 'd' could be due to the difference in Pinyin and English for pronunciation of the same letters. Not sure why English was not directly used rather than developing another system of pinyin. This would have made us write &#38; pronounce 'Wuxi' as 'Wushi' , 'HongQiao' as 'HungChiao', 'Pudong' as ' Phutung',  'Dalian' as ' Talian', 'Tianjin' as ' Thianjin'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hen hao! </p>
<p>I think the fun in learning Chinese begins with understanding of this confusion in pronunciation of English letters. What we consider as English is generally the Pinyin. [Pinyin is used for romanization of Mandarin. Computer keyboards and mobile phone keypads use pinyin to convert roman keys into Mandarin character.]</p>
<p>This common experience of &#8216;p&#8217; &amp; &#8216;b&#8217; , &#8216;t&#8217; &amp; &#8216;d&#8217; could be due to the difference in Pinyin and English for pronunciation of the same letters. Not sure why English was not directly used rather than developing another system of pinyin. This would have made us write &amp; pronounce &#8216;Wuxi&#8217; as &#8216;Wushi&#8217; , &#8216;HongQiao&#8217; as &#8216;HungChiao&#8217;, &#8216;Pudong&#8217; as &#8216; Phutung&#8217;,  &#8216;Dalian&#8217; as &#8216; Talian&#8217;, &#8216;Tianjin&#8217; as &#8216; Thianjin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Reshma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reshma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting, thanks for writing in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting, thanks for writing in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Reshma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reshma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P for Pudong, D for Dalian and T for Tianjin. :-)

Localise, localise, localise!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P for Pudong, D for Dalian and T for Tianjin. <img src='http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/middle-order/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Localise, localise, localise!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Back to school in Beijing by Wang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good writing with a little drama. I'm impressed with your motivation and ability for learning Chinese. You have described an interesting linguistic fact.

When the Chinese, Americans and so on pronounce P and T, they let out more air. The Indians let out less air. The South Americans' P when they speak Spanish and the Japanese's P when they speak Japanese sound similar to Indians' P.

So people in some countries pronounce soft sounding P and T and other hard sounding ones. I have lived in US for 20+ years. The hard P and T still sound like B and D to my ears. I have also tried to pronounce the hard P and T but sound B and D came out of my mouth.

The Chinese cannot compare with the native English speakers in understanding spoken English. When Americans miss a sound or a word, they can guess it from the entire sentence. Like you were talking about "time" not "dime". But a missed syllable can throw off the Chinese.

Keep warm!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good writing with a little drama. I&#8217;m impressed with your motivation and ability for learning Chinese. You have described an interesting linguistic fact.</p>
<p>When the Chinese, Americans and so on pronounce P and T, they let out more air. The Indians let out less air. The South Americans&#8217; P when they speak Spanish and the Japanese&#8217;s P when they speak Japanese sound similar to Indians&#8217; P.</p>
<p>So people in some countries pronounce soft sounding P and T and other hard sounding ones. I have lived in US for 20+ years. The hard P and T still sound like B and D to my ears. I have also tried to pronounce the hard P and T but sound B and D came out of my mouth.</p>
<p>The Chinese cannot compare with the native English speakers in understanding spoken English. When Americans miss a sound or a word, they can guess it from the entire sentence. Like you were talking about &#8220;time&#8221; not &#8220;dime&#8221;. But a missed syllable can throw off the Chinese.</p>
<p>Keep warm!</p>
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