Cost check



Inflation in India is twice as high as the rate in China, but Beijing is more worried that the rising cost of food will threaten social stability. On the surface, China is making a more public display of seriousness in containing prices.

Have you seen a top Indian leader visit a Big Bazaar vegetable counter? We recently saw Premier Wen Jiabao, the face of Beijing’s crisis management, discussing prices in a supermarket with the style of a leader talking to his mass base.

According to Reuters on Sunday, Wen checks the cost of rice, flour, pork and vegetables every morning.

“I’ve grasped from all my years of political life that there are two problems which can threaten social stability and even the steadiness of government. One is corruption, and the other is prices,” Reuters reported his quotes from an online discussion in February.

The Chinese inflation rate of 4.4%  is the highest in two years but half the rate in India. When I visit India every six months, I am struck by the weakening purchasing power of the rupee after paying for a restaurant meal or movie. But in China I am never weighed down with the overloaded shopping bags I carried after weekend grocery shopping in Mumbai.

Food prices in China, rising 60-70% according to some estimates, are way higher than in India and restaurants revise prices more frequently. My takeaway grilled vegetable sandwich just got costlier by four yuan (Rs 28). Recent visitors from India have expressed surprise that China is ‘not cheap’.

I am not keeping close track of how India is managing inflation, but Beijing’s flurry of control measures announced this month — release of food reserves, subsidies for low-income groups, cancelling highway tolls for food transport, monetary tightening — seem like more mass based responses. At least the incessant official media coverage of these measures makes it seem like a lot of action. Consumers are still discontented, cutting back, and even planting their own vegetables.

This week in one of China’s poorest southwest province, days after the first cabinet price stabilisation orders rolled out, high school students shattered windows and overturned tables in a 20-minute protest against a price hike of about 0.5 yuan (Rs 3.50) in food and bottled water served at the boarding school canteen.

Principal Fan Guoqing told AFP that 10 to 20 students rampaged while many cheered them on. The public security officials were called in and the prices were reverted to the original.

“The students are mostly from poor families and will be not be held legally responsible,” an official told the Global Times. The protest photographs swept the Internet and left officials worried about copycat unrest.

“Through this incident, I hope the country/government can reflect on itself,” said an online comment from a student of the school.

In India, it is usually the opposition political parties that galvanise street marches over rising food prices. Inflation is a historic factor in sparking unrest in China. Today, most reported protests tend to be spontaneous, localised and small-scale. But the canteen rampage has caught the attention of officials and analysts. Mao Shoulong, a professor of administrative management with Renmin University, told the Global Times of a risk of imitation protests.

“Price inflation is not merely an economic matter. It is also political and social,” Ma said. Beijing campuses have been reportedly ordered not to hike food prices.

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  • Jay

    China has a different method for calculating food and cost inflation as compared to India and other countries; so real one to one comparisons are difficult. Indians protest continually and over 365 days every year, year on year; the Chinese don’t have that liberty, which is why a single incident flares up the whole scene. Its the way the two societies have been built.

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  • reality bites

    Jay, The chinese are threatened and have their ears close to the ground to hear for the slightest of unwarranted sounds. True, we can laugh and say…well whatever in disdain. But as a consumer i think i would rather my politicians are scared and aware. See what happens when they are not scared. how we goofed at CWG. The corruption scam is throwing interesting observations, even BJP backed contractors were given a share in the pie. Proving beyond doubt our politicians are more than ready to share their spoils with the opposition to have them keep quiet and wait patiently for the next elections to see how the Indian populace deals with them then. And by then they would have made so much money that they would be ready to sit in opposition and share the spoils just as we are seeing now!! So take the right learning, it takes constant effort to kppe people happy, and the Chinese are doing it. So learn and understand how we are being shortchanged by extremely inefficient and corrupt politicians.

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  • Marie Duplessis

    India is a backward country. The society, the people, the culture are all very backward. Please don’t come here spewing **** about India being a superpower. The notion of India being a superpower in this century or the next is a cruel joke.

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    abdul Reply:

    why is she so scared of India?

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    Kunal Reply:

    scared…jealous…..angry….

    she or he whoever it is…cannot see the rise of india. so comes and vents out her frustration and tries to stir up indians.

    she makes me laugh…what a ******

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  • Indian

    parkistan ppl should not comment here

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  • abdul

    If India was an authoritarian country like China, India could have grown as much. The difference between the two growth figures is the value of democratic freedom, which also makes economic progress slower. The question is – are we willing to sacrifice some economic growth for freedom? My guess is – YES!

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  • xzw

    hmmm. It would be interesting to have a run down of the cost comparison. I have a close relative who’s now studying in Bangalore. Every 2 to 3 months or so I’ll have to send over $1000 (about Rs. 43000) to cover his basic living costs (according to him, mostly food, because the tuition and boarding are already paid separately). By his spending, Bangalore isn’t cheap either, so I’m wondering if I’m too tightfisted on his spending.

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  • http://techcentral.in Kunal

    I might be wrong, but I think the incomes of the factory workers in China do not rise. So the inflation affects them more.

    In India there is inflation, but atleast the incomes (maybe not proportionately) rise as well.

    I wouldn’t say more as I do not have a deeper understanding of economics.

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    xzw Reply:

    @Kunal

    I don’t think you get the full picture. From the viewpoints of the factory owners and employers, the salary demands certainly has gone up quite a bit. There are even people who links the inflation to the rise of labor cost, see the following wsj article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703727804576017002588787970.html

    As an anecdotal evidence, my mom used to hire an hourly paid household help who came in for one to two hours each day to do some light cleaning and cooking. She demanded a 50% pay raise last year. My mom declined, and since then couldn’t find anyone to replace her. She now does all the cooking and cleaning by herself.

    On the other hand, I also hear anecdotal stories saying some well-off Indian families would rather hire help than buying a washing machine. I hope that’s not true?

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  • Seve

    The real term inflation in China is around 7% and is expected to rise to 10%, hence China is imposing price controls and curbing export of essential commodities. The fear of high inflation is driving the Chinese consumers to buy Gold.

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  • Anonymous

    There is nothing in Zia’s article to disagree about EXCEPT the last two paragraphs.
    JEWISH PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST ADHERENTS OF JEWISH RELIGION , THEY ARE A RACE, WHO INHABITED THE LAND OF BIBLICAL ISRAEL.
    Buddhist all over the world are ADHERENTS, just like ZIA IS A LOW CASTE HINDU WHO LEFT THE FOLD BECAUSE OF BRAMHINICAL OPPRESSION, HE IS NOT FROM MECCA.
    America is doing to paraphrase Jyoti basu’s famous lines HISTORICAL BLUNDER.
    Just like napalm , and Agent Orange could not avert america’s humiliation in VIETNAM , just WAR ON TERROR on its own will lead to economic haemorrhage and AMERICA TAKEN OVER BY CHINA, the choice is americas, and americans to make

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    Gary Reply:

    Zia may or may not be a low caste Hindu. Remember, the chronicles of Islamic invaders mention literally millions murdered or converted by force, they never mention once that “low caste Hindus willingly joined Islam.” So most likely, Zia is descendant of a Hindu who had a Islamic sword on his neck, and the choice of “convert or die” offered to him.

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    DD Reply:

    A blog post has a comments section to discuss the article, not its writer. And absolutely definetely not to debate his ancestry. Once people understand that they will learn how to debate like decent folks. Whether the writer became a Muslim out of his own choice or by birth or because his ancestor converted out of choice or conversion or whether his ancestor migrated from another land are all wastefulland inded diversionary comments. People are free to disagree if they want but that should not be a reason to try to guess someones ancestry.

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    Suresh Menon Reply:

    It is amazing to see so many rant about America on practically every 2nd article on foregin affairs. Most of you sound thrilled about China. If only people like you had an idea of what the Chinese are capable. Well …. if you want it so badly …… then, I wish that may be blessed to be under the Chinese Hegemony than the ‘American hegemony’.

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  • Raju Shah

    Has Zia ever bothered about the land rights of Kashmiri Pandits? Is Islam the only important thing?. Are the rights of Buddhists in Tibet or other people important? Typical double standards and exposes the hypocrisy

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    engrich Reply:

    rights of kashmiri pundits is recognized by kashmiris.now in india being brhmns they are treated well and are settled nicely.they will not go back to kashmir.they have joined the gang of brhmns who are fkng india.

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  • Abc

    Of course there can’t be peace. You can’t make peace with a group that harbors terrorists in its midst and attacks civilians. The only language the Islamic extremists understand is FORCE. Israel and the rest of the civilized world needs to stand together and uproot terrorism worldwide. A world without Islamic extremism will be a better world.

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    engrich Reply:

    abc force is way to solve any problem.isreal is under of europen ashknaazi jews.jews of other origing are not ready to accept their hegemony hence lot of demostrations and protests are going on there.ashknaazi treat local semitic jews as brhmns treated local indians,shudras.
    now they have seprated even their schools.

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    And that is a justification of a certain stand in the writeup?

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  • Anonymous

    He amply made it clear there is no likelihood of resumption of talk in the near future .

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    engrich Reply:

    palestanian say that stop land grabbing then talk peace.in oslo they talked 11 years and break everything which was agreed.

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    They talk peace and they continue to bomb. As a nation, will you risk the security of your own people?

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    engrich Reply:

    sometime they throw projectile to bring their case to world attention.in response they naplam sulphur and depleter uranium bombs.

  • gaurav

    Zia how many time you smoke pot a day???? and why do you speak just for one religion only???
    I am asking you because you are loosing your credibility as an journalist who should be impartial to everything.

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    DD Reply:

    His blog clearly states that he wants to provide a Muslim perspective to issues. And blogs are meant to be opinion pieces not reports. Dont like that, dont read the blog.

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    RajX Reply:

    So what you are implicitly saying is that the plight of tibetians or hindu kashmiris does not enter the perspective of this Indian who happens to be a Muslim even though these two situations affect india more directly? Why not? Are Muslims programmed to rally only to causes promoted by fellow Arab Muslims? Is Zia an high commissioner of Islam and he is temporarily residing in India? Your statement raises a lot of questions about your mindset.

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  • a hindu

    dont blame israel. why can’t muslim palestine recognise israel???
    go the israelis

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  • Reneemhk

    I agree with you, you can’t walk into your neighbors house and say it’s mine, occupy it and then claim it is yours. You know I just feel like screaming , leave out religion and work for peace for the sake of our children. Israel has been allowed to get away for far to long. I am not against Israel , they do also have a right to exist, but then so does Palestine .

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  • Taji

    Is Palestine situation same as native Kashmiri Pandits who were killed and driven out of their homeland by Muslims there? When will they get to go back? Is any Muslim concerned or shedding tears for Kashmiri Pandits who have suffered ethnic genocide at the hands of Kashmiri Muslims?

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    engrich Reply:

    because they were awarded 45%of palestine by uno.now they they have 90%of palestine through land grabbing.they should vacate that land.livein peace.

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  • Taji

    Why Muslims have problem with small Jewish state? Muslims have 57 exclusive and intolerant Islamic nations.

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  • KulR

    Mr Zia , why are you so obsessed with Palestine.Have you ever spoken a word about the genocide of Kashmiri Pandits who are living like refugees in Jammu in the land where their ancestors lived for 3000 years till Islamic militants butchered them in 1989? Since they are Indians are you not concerned about them and the problems of illiteracy among Indian Muslims rather than lecturing Isreal on the Palestine issue??

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  • Rahul

    Bibi attacked Islam? I think he criticized militants not Islam. Mr. Zia is exaggerating things here.

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  • An_Israeli_Friend_of_India

    Palestinians don’t want peace, but rather kill all Israelies.

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    engrich Reply:

    palestanians wants peace but isreal has to withdraw 1945 terrotery.uno gave them 45%of palestine they are occupying 90%.they are land grabbers and terrorist.ashknazi have no historical calim on this land they should go back to their country of origin.

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    RajX Reply:

    I think ur leaders understand that. Good for you. We, alas, have weak kneed girly men for leaders. They have still not got the guys who planned the Mumbai attacks even though they know who they are and where they are living. Pathetic.

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  • Krishan67

    Please study the origin and cause of this termoil and terrorist activities in the world. The world used to be a ungraceful place after WW II. It was the forced creation of Israeli state on Arab land which started unrest in the region first and than the world around. The weaker were pushed to the wall and they have lost all love for living. Took up arms and do what ever they can do to show their anger and disapproval.some vested interests took the advantage of this and converted this to Jihad. as long injustice is there, this war will continue, even may find new allies to fight a even bigger war. Please act with justice, equality and fairness. One blood of an Arab is equal to an Israelis blood. every body is the creation of same God. The power that matter are only looking for their interests and they are least interested to find a just problem to resolve the issues.

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  • DD

    While Netanyahu is a know hardliner, I think that he has a valid point. Unless the PLO can guaruntee that the Hamas will not indulge in terrorism in the future state of Palastine and will grant Israle recognition too, Israel for one will not be able to recognize it. Althoug I suspect that is just a ploy. Let us assume for once that Hamas does give such an undertaking. Will Israel immediately grant Palestine recongnition( I say recognition and not statehood because Palastine was and is a state even before the modern state of Israel was created)? I doubt tha twill happen. No Israeli leader will risk the ire of the millions of Jewish setlers in what should be the Palestine state who will loose their lands. They will probably come up with a new excuse.

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Muslim,
    Have you ever shed any miserly words for the raw deal the Hindus were thrown into, in the aftermath of India’s partition? United India had 24% of the total population muslim , and they were granted 30% of India’s territories. Today there are hardly any Hindus left in Pakistan from slightly over 30% of the population and less than 8% of the population of Hindus left in Bangladesh from nearly 40% at Partition. The vanishing Hindus had to literally run away leaving behind all they could not carry with their two hands.
    I have never read either you , Mr Muslim or for that matter any Muslim journalist shed even a lame word of lament for the plight of the Hindus who had to run from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Bur you Mr Muslim and all other rmuslim writers never miss a chance to get into a frenzy about the plight of the Palestinians.
    Dont spare any words for the plight of the Palestinians , if you are immune to the plight of the Hindus who were subjected to the same tragedy, your rankling the Palestinian plight is only because you a ONLY a Muslim and true to the Koran will only feel for the Muslim. Please change the heading of your blog…I AM A MUSLIM .

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    tajender Reply:

    population was muslims in at the time of partition was 35%not 24% as mention by u.moreover muslims got worst part of india.like bengal balochistan sindh and frontier.
    muslims never asked for partition this was imposed on them by brhmnsts.as brhmns has no history in those areas.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Mr Muslim, you are truely a good Muslim, ever-ready to invert truth to suit the “muslim needs”. I stand by the percentage of Muslims immediately before partition of India, based on the electoral rolls of the 1940 election.Bengal has since time immemorial, been the bread-basket of India and the richest province, hence acute was the need for the Slave dynasties and the Suris, and the Moghuls to capture Bengal. The British rule in India had two crowning successes, the construction of the railway infrastructure of India and the irrigation system of the Indus River The side of Punjab that came to India had virtually no irrigation worth the name, in fact till the late 60s there was a constant refrain in India that the Thar desert is going to reach Agra. The Green revolution that followed the irrigation of East Punjab by the building of the Bhakra Nangal Dam and its irrigation canals is what made the Eastern part of Punjab for the first time in living record an agricultural powerhouse.
    The Frontier Province was ruled by the elected govt of Abdul Gaffar Khan and the Congress Party there did not want Partition. The Sindh assembly voted for merging into Pakistan, whereas, the province of Sindh should have been partitioned.
    The hard fact is that while India has been able to forge ahead inspite of the misrule of the Congress Party, the muslim side of United India has regressed because they are more focussed in their Islamic identity (thereby suppressing their Hindu ancestry) than getting a good education and being a good neighbour.
    Mr Muslim, if you paid more attention to matters and issues India-centric , you would not be flaunting your ignorance in this manner.
    By the way, did you ever put in any of the many wailings you have made about Palestine, how Israel came to occupy the West Bank , Jerusalem and Gaza?

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  • Guest

    Did you notice that Abbas in his speech refused to even acknowledge that Jewish people have been part of Middle East along with Christians and Muslims? Have you noticed that Bibi has softened his stand by stating that he is willing to negotiate on West Bank, where before he had stated that West Bank will be with Israel and is not negotiable? On the other hand, Abbas and Hamas still refuse to even accept existence of a Jewish State. The fault lies on both sides.

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    engrich Reply:

    guest bibi is biggest crook.they are nogotiating from last 40 years without any result.negotiaton means to take time to grab more and land from west bank.bibi is a cheater.

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    You should always explain allegations, my friend.

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    RajX Reply:

    Well…allhamdulillah bibi is not a suicide bomber nor does he promote suicide bombing restaurants in gaza or west bank nor does he say that he will drive the Palestinians into the sea.

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  • Daretospeak24

    Not long ago when Helen Thomas, White House correspondent made complete sense that the forced creation of the State of Israel was one of the greatest crimes of the 20th Century. European Jews basically invaded Palestine, ran off the native Arab peoples, and then literally moved into THEIR homes.It makes complete sense that these European invaders go back to their true homelands in Germany, Poland and Russia…It is alleged that Jews were killed at home…In Germany and Poland.” “Six million Jews. The figure “4,000,000″ was used on the original Auschwitz memorial plaques. After the collapse of the Communist government in 1989, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million.The way we see it, US has given the Mormons Utah and have given back California and Arizona to Mexico. Why can’t US give the Jews New Jersey and New York? This will bring about world peace and the prevention of World War 3 in an instance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why can’t Syria, Saudi Arabia etc. give a part of their land and create Palestine?

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  • Anita

    The truth will prevail. Israel has unfortunately behaved with the Palestinians like the Nazi’s did with the Jews even though the Palestinians were not responsible for the Holocaust.

    And to those idiots even trying to justify Israel’s atrocties, stop sucking up to them. Are you Indian first or Israeli first? If you can’t stand for Indian intersts and an independant foreign policy, LEAVE INDIA and GO LIVE IN ISRAEL . We don’t need people like you!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    May I ask are you Indian first or Palestinian first?

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    RajX Reply:

    Your heart beats for the Arabs but I am sure that Kashmiri Hindus are oppressors. Can’t blame you. You have been arabized.

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  • Psaxe

    Netanyahu, while not on my list of moderates, criticized “militant Islam”. What’s wrong with that?
    Is Zia defending terrorists? I have felt a strong undercurrent of pro-extremist leanings in his writings since the beginning. This time he has come all out in the open to defend terrorists.
    HT please take note, could you be harbouring a sympathiser, and allowing your newspaper to be used by Islamic terrorists?

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  • Rahul Ghosh

    Zia, I am so bemused when the Palestinians hold up umpteen UN resolutions and keep rattling them one after another.Not one of the Palestinians ever mention under which resolution did 5 Arab countries launch 5-prong attacks on Israel, not once , but thrice! Israel won the lands it currently occupies with blood and valour.
    It is not run by corrupt wimps as India, whose leaders promptly returns territories gaind in the battle field without guarantees of peace.
    Israel has every right to obtain the guarantees that the Palestinians are unable to ensure.
    Besides, the refugees that Israel takes are well integrated into Israel , while the Palestinians choose to keep open their wounds so that they can continue to milk them.

    The Hinu refugees from what was handed over to Pakistan are well integrated into Indian society and the Hindus and Sikhs have left the past behind , worked hard, got into business and education and have moved on in life.The Hindus did not like the Palestinians, make a living out of blowing themselves up and try to create strife in Paksitan Even now the Kashmiri Hindus, made refugees in India have moved up the scale. They have not made a mess oftheir lives and of the future generations, by moving on with the ebbs and tides of life, and many times the consequenes of these flows are never fair.
    There is no remedy that can be offered to people who want to make trouble and blow them selves up and attempt to destroy Israel , they will continue to suffer and make others suffer because they cannot see others getting on with life!
    There are no dearth of muslim writers who want to open up the scars to hold up to passer-bys, who are just too busy getting on withtheir own lives.

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    zindagi zindagi Reply:

    I have a sincere theory for the disproportionate sense of victim hood felt by muslims the world over and this relates to the origin of Islam from a psychological perspective.

    The mainstream Islamic opinion believes that the fledgling Muslim community in Mecca was under constant attack from the pagans and Muslims had to fight for their survival. It then resulted in Prophet Muhammed raising a army and defeating the pagans.

    What if that fledgling Muslim community in Mecca felt the same victim hood and injustice which Muslims feel now? What if it’s the pagans who were peaceful and Prophet Muhammed due to his convictions or (illusions according to modern psychology) drove the fledgling community into an unnecessary confrontation with the pagans. Abraham after all is a mythological figure to all modern science. And Ka’aba was a communal place of worship at that time to the pagans. So, Prophet Muhammed was the aggressor in the violent takeover of the Ka’aba to the pagan community .

    The islamists and muslims in general are channelling the same sense of disproportionate and invalid victimhood which Prophet Muhammed and the fledgling community of early muslims were channelling in the hostile takeover of the Ka’aba.

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  • RajX

    What’s Palestine got to do with Zia huq? Looks like the Arabs set the political agenda and expect Muslims around the world to follow that agenda. On top of that agenda is being anti Israeli/ anti Jewish. Zia is just following that agenda. You won’t read articles from him about Chinese oppression in Tibet even though tibetians are culturally closer to Indian culture than Palestinian Arabs.

    When you strip away all the facades, what’s left is that all this palestian talk from people Like Zia boils down to religious affinity misused by the Arab agenda network to almost act like a cult. This is just plain disgusting and actually dangerous to rest of the society to be honest.

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  • RajX

    By the way, why would israleis or any other country for that matter recognize a group of people who don’t recognize their right to exist? I was listening to a BBC program on this topic and not one palestian and other Muslims who are talking for palestians gave a straight answer to the question from the host if Israel has a right to exist as a state. On the other hand, all Israelis and Jews on that program unreservedly accepted the right for palestians to exist as a state. The Palestinians are former Egyptians and jordanians. Maybe Israel should give west bank to Jordan and gaza to Egypt and let’s see how these two countries treat these “Palestinians”.

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    engrich Reply:

    Maybe Israel should give west bank to Jordan and gaza to Egypt and let’s see how these two countries treat these “Palestinians”.

    palestine is historical identity while jordan is 100 years old,came into existence through imperialist bandar baat(monkey trading).

    arabs are ready to recognize provided isreal return back to 1945 terrotery and stop the bussines of land grabbing.how they are opposing the formation of palestine state reveals their true intentions.

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    Do you deny that Isreali life in the Judea-Samaria (The West Bank) is historical fact as recorded in the Bible? If not, where is your info from?

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    engrich Reply:

    yes i deny.jews of european origin has no right over palestine.
    semitic jews opposed them as vehemently as muslims or christians.
    when jews were descending in palestine,almost every semitic jew gave memorendum to general balfour opposing their arrival.
    this memorundum is available in archive.

    RajX Reply:

    The Israelis will never give up Jerusalem. That’s very clear and I am sure you understand that too. The Palestinians can make a deal and bring peace and progress to their community or they can unwisely fight for something they can never hope to get against a significantly stronger power like Israel. The bottom line is there is no clean solution to most problems. Land belongs to people who are strong enough to hold on to it. There are communities all around the world who live in lands which don’t belong to them making the original inhabitants of the land powerless. If people all over the world ask for a clean solution to their problems, there will be blood everywhere.

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  • Ramesh

    the palastinian and israeli problem is kuran specific,jews and christian are not accepted in kuran and therefore this impasse.accepting jews is not accepting koran

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    engrich Reply:

    ur comment shows ur lack of knowledge.muslims consider jesus and moses as their prophet and respect them.even now there are 2crores christians living in arab world.
    in palestine muslims and christians are jointly fighting isreali occupation.christian crusaders killed millions of jews not muslims.

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    RajX Reply:

    Islamist jihads killed millions of Hindus and other nonmuslims. They probably killed some of ur forefathers too.

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    engrich Reply:

    when ,can u name where where.can u show anything written by any brhmn of that time who wrote anything bad about moghul emporers.including tulsidas.

    engrich Reply:

    india was ruled by muslims indians were ruled by brhmns it is they who were fkng indians.sucked every drop of blood from the veins of indians.

    RajX Reply:

    Read babarnama written by babar himself. He boosts about how many kufirs he killed. Some of those kufirs are probably your ancestors. You should not blindly support foreign invaders like the Mughals just because you have the same religion as them. That’s the kind of attitude which brings suspicion on some Muslims as people remember that and the formation of Pakistan by Muslims which are considered as treachery.

  • Jai Khosla

    The Jewish-Muslim conflict started in 7th century Arabia when the founder of Islam, Muhammad, massacred thousands of Jews and then expelled those who would not convert to Islam. Muhammad’s modus operandi was to attack the unarmed Jewish males of the rich Jewish plantations, kill the males, steal the land and other property and sell the widows and orphans into slavery. Of course any young female child that excited his libido landed in Muhammad’s bed.

    Jews were half the population of Arabia and therefore are the rightful owners of half of Arabia. Muslims should first return half of Arabia that Muhammad stole from the Jews. then we can talk about Israel.

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    engrich Reply:

    ignorant jahil khosla,,
    u are liar and propagandist.jews are not arabs they are originally egyptian few of them came to arabia during moses period.at present most of the jewsin isreal are ashknazis who have no history or dna link with palestine.this is absolute rubbish and wrong to say that jews were mascared wqhen islam came.
    they were doing usuar(interest)bussines in that area,enslaving the people and sucking the blood from the veins of local inhibants.
    when prophet mohammed stopped usuary bussines they migrated to venice.

    all other point which u mentioned are nothing but bullshit as crores of jews were living in muslim countries becfore isreal came into existence.

    arab jews are tretaed like shudras in isreal.now they remember their good old days with muslim and christian palestanian.

    dont forget that hazrat omar brought back the jew to jerusalam.christian expelled them.

    like bhaand u only do propaganda bussines without any truth.

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    Jews are from Judea, bro. History has it. They returned with Moses. They just didn’t turn up one fine day. You seem to forget the issue. If someone came and told you that your great great great great grandfather came and took their great great great great grandfather’s land and since then you have have lived in separately, will you admit for it to be fair to uproot a whole culture that was established since your great great great great grandfather’s time? Obviously they also settled and still have a culture of their own yes?

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    engrich Reply:

    u are right but ashknazi jews are not from palestine.they have european dna origin is khazr.they have nothing to do with semitic jews of palestine.they are mostly atheist.i doubt if they are jews.once their king ordered them to choose from one of the revealed religion,they have choosen judaism to avoid conflict from western christians and eastern muslim.but i think they are still pagan.call themselves jew to have control of palestine.

  • Sunil Noronha

    “Bibi, baby, these were occupied territories. You had to leave them one day. These withdrawals were indeed bold acts of peace by Bibi’s more pragmatic and respectable predecessors.”

    These aren’t occupied territories as much as Kashmir is our territory. The Arab I’m not trying to divert the issue. I’m making case in point. The Gaza Strip and West Bank were Israel’s at the time of their independence; do your history check. It’s like saying a separate Tamil Eelam state is legitimate in Sri Lanka because there are Tamils there. Another case in point. Would you say the same of Telangana, or any other state, if it asked to be another country by itself? Thereby, I say your statement in quotes is wrong.

    Is not militant Islam behind the whole issue? What is the Hamas doing shelling Israel, as recent as yesterday? Israel has always retaliated or defended, only once attacked.

    “Bibi, as do most Israelis, loved to tell the world that this was the Promised Land of their Biblical forefathers. People with his surname, Netanyahu, walked these lands 1,000 years ago, he said.

    One may wonder, without being accused of anti-Semitism, what if Buddhists all over the world should suddenly stake claim to a vast territory in India just because that’s where Lord Buddha attained enlightenment and India was where Buddhism was born?”

    It is not about belief but where one comes from. Christian from India cannot claim Jerusalem as their because they did not live in Israel, for example. Take for example the Babri Masjid issue. The issue is not about whether it was a temple build on a mosque or a mosque built on a temple. It was the fact that for, much prior to 400 years ago, it is, and remains, a homeland for people who reside there. Again get your logic, at least logical.

    “Bibi you forgot to mention weapons on your side of the border. Here’s a comparison: Israel has 1,964 combat aircraft, including F-16s and 600 combat copters and some of the most sophisticated drones. Palestine has none. Israel has 64 warships and 3 nuclear-capable Dolphin submarines. Palestine has none. Israel has 3,000 tanks. Palestine has none. Israel has 6,300 armoured vehicles, Palestine 50. This list doesn’t include some of the deadliest conventional and chemical bombs, and missiles. Israel is also widely rumoured to have nuclear weapons.”

    You mean Israel ought not have a defence? Even when the Hamas bomb them, they ought to sit quiet?

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    engrich Reply:

    snil ghaza and west were occupied in 1967 by israelis.but they did had enough jews to rehablitate there.so soviet union was destroyed.jews were taken to isreal.most of them returned are on the way of returning.cannot bear the atmosphere of religious aparthied state.syria has 4500 jews .some of them migrated to isreal,but returned almost immediately.pledging never to go there.

    last jew from iraaq told in lecture to jewish boys that FOR JEWS IRAQ WAS THE GARDEN OF EDEN.U CAN LISTEN HIS LECTURE ON u-tube.

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  • engrich

    bibi is cheater his only aim to hold terroteries.HIS ORIGINAL NAME IS ATTALAH ABDULRAHEEM NOUL.he is from sudan master in nuban language.he was hiding himself among muslims with muslim name.like indian jews(brhmns)are hiding among indians.fooling us

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    Sunil Noronha Reply:

    Some proof? :P

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    RajX Reply:

    Indian Jews are Brahmins?? Hahahah.. You are a funny guy. You almost sound like tajender.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohammadanism has produced 1.2 billion morons like Zia…One day whole of muslim world will be called MORONISTAN.

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  • Raj

    Humblyurs4ever or whatever, Are you ashamed of putting your real name which definitely is Javed, Mohammed, Yasin etc.
    So you guys always get furious on hearing the truth since it is always bitter. Any country would hardly make any progress if you are given equal rights or special benefits, The true example is India vs Israel.

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