Chinese whispers on India



Tracking India-China ties last week was like a study of mood swings.

Wednesday, 11.30 pm: China’s official news agency denies reports of nearly 11,000 PLA soldiers in the disputed Gilgit-Baltistan region in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Beijing’s denial controversially refers to the region as ‘northern Pakistan’.

Thursday, 9.30 am: Scribble notes as the top finance officials of India and China sit across the table at Beijing’s official state guest house and pledge to present a united front on global financial affairs and help each other reduce national poverty.

Thursday, 2.45 pm: Scribble notes at the foreign ministry as spokesperson Jiang Yu responds with her own denial to a media query on Beijing’s visa denial to a top Indian army general because Jammu and Kashmir is under his command. “After reading the reports, we have checked with the competent authorities. The relevant media report is not true.” She said Beijing’s visa policy for residents of Indian-controlled Kashmir stays unchanged, indicating that they will continue to issue separate stapled visas to these residents despite New Delhi’s protests.

Friday morning: Environment officials of India and China release a statement in Beijing, promising to work together to save the endangered tiger.

Friday afternoon: India’s ambassador to China meets vice foreign minister Zhang Zhijun to convey concerns over Chinese ‘presence and activity’ in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir and the reference to Gilgit-Baltistan as ‘northern Pakistan’. The state-run Chinese media ignores the news.

On Sunday, HT analysed the making of China’s current India policy and the extreme ups and downs in the relationship. Read the story here.  The People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party, is still silent on the latest dispute with India. Its online forum predictably dismisses the bilateral tension as a creation of the Indian media. Some Chinese analysts contacted for interviews last week did not respond. So insight on China’s eye on India must often be sourced from outside China.

A latest paper on India-China relations is available here.  I interviewed the author Mohan Malik, an India-China specialist at the Asia Pacific Centre for Security Studies in Hawaii, over email.

Excerpts of his insight on how China sees India:

“The Chinese perception of India as a land of irreconcilable socio-religious cleavages with an inherently unstable polity and weak leadership that is easily contained through proxies is aggravating tensions between the two.

Beijing sees India’s rise as an economic and military power as prolonging American hegemony in Asia and hindering the establishment of a post-American Sino-centric regional order in the Asia-Pacific.

The long-term growth of Chinese supremacy in Asia is contingent upon having smaller and weaker compliant states on China’s periphery. These goals invariably pit India against China. China wants to nip in the bud any potential challenge that India might pose in the future. The Chinese have consistently followed a ‘contain India’ strategy since the 1960s.

Prior to 2005, there was no reference to Southern Tibet (Arunachal Pradesh) in China’s official media or any talk of the ‘unfinished business of the 1962 War’. Nor did the Chinese government or official media ever claim that the PLA’s ‘peaceful liberation of Tibet in 1950 was partial and incomplete’ or that ‘a part of Tibet was yet to be liberated’.

Resurrecting old issues and manufacturing new disputes to put the other side off balance and enhance negotiating leverage is an old negotiating tactic in Chinese statecraft. Chinese strategic writings indicate that as China becomes more economically and militarily powerful, its belligerence towards India in particular will increase.

The PLA has always played a key role in China’s policy towards the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan and India. Now we see the PLA playing a similar assertive role in Beijing’s South China Sea/Southeast Asia policy as well.

The PLA-run media have begun to attack India for supposedly hegemonic designs, with some publications hinting at the merits of a confrontation. Beijing perceives India as the weakest link in an evolving anti-China coalition of maritime powers (the US-Japan-Vietnam-Australia-India) inimical to China’s growth. Some hawkish Chinese military planners believe in the inevitability of a military showdown in order to put India in its place in the next two decades.

So, for India, ‘the decade of living dangerously under China’s shadow’ begins in 2011. New railroad infrastructure projects in Pakistani-held Kashmir and Tibet are aimed at bolstering China’s military strength and intervention options against India in the event of another war between the sub-continental rivals or between China and India.

The real irony is that China and India could stumble into another war in future for exactly the same reasons that led them to a border war half-a-century ago in 1962. A geopolitical crisis of Himalayan proportions is in the making from Afghanistan to Burma.

India-China relations will continue to be characterised by competition, tension, interspersed with endless talks, and limited cooperation on issues of mutual concern.

Both will employ strategic maneuvers to checkmate each other from gaining advantage or expanding spheres of influence. According to Chinese analyst Dai Bing, ‘while a hot war is out of the question, a cold war between the two countries is increasingly likely’.”

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  • virus

    China problem with India is that India has much better quality of educated young people who are not supressed by military rules, look at the reports coming from nepal that china is buying MPs to make Maoist leader prachand as PM. I dont know weather Prachand is a good option for nepal or not but certainly its bad news for India.

    Only reason why we are not being attacked by chinese army is because we have a huge buffer of small regions in between china and india namely kashmir, nepal, bhutan, sikkim..and they cant attack those regions directly, so they are making strategic penetration to bring their army much closer to new delhi.

    But as an Indian i believe in my education, unlike in china where their own people kills unknown innocent school children’s out of frustration, stands in week long jams, military suppression of common people.

    India is currently facing hard time with almost all of its neighbors( except sri lanka and bhutan), and main reason is because china is funding them all, they are providing nuclear arsenal to pakistan without the consensus of UN, they support north korea nuclear program which is being bought from another corrupt pakistan scientist Dr Khan, last month reports came that burma might have got nuclear technology from North Korea and we all know that burma is a military controlled state.

    China target is to dismantle worlds oldest living civilization India from its roots by every mean, because India is the only country who poses threat to China’s plan to capture south asia, which includes vietnaam, india, other coastal countries which doesnot wanna be a natural ally of china.

    China has the second biggest economy in the world after US, and to become number two they have made huge investment in production and industrial section, but funny part is that it is coming to its saturation point as majority of their population is not having high quality education and they have realized that whole structure of industrialization will fall apart when other poor countries like India, south africa, bangladesh, argentina, brazil will provide cheap stuffs like china with absolutely working for betterment of whole society. China hasn’t let their citizens to interact with the rest of the world, even their brilliant students cant communicate with international community effectively because of low skills in other languages.

    ( I say India because 77% of our population earns less than Rs20 a day, but things are changing fastly, look at recent activities..blocking of vedanta, currently developing new land acquisation bill, educating every child of India through $35 tabloid, filing of criminal charges against state ministers for creating genocides in Gujarat,supreme court order for free distribution of rotting food grains to most poor people in our country, blocking illegal mining, taking strong measures on corruption,etc)

    When pakistan balmes India for destablization of their east front by supporting radicals over there, i really dont know whether RAW is in it or not, but i am happy that they are getting taste of their own dose, whether its raw or some other organization, it doesnt matter as these sort of internal activities within our neighboring country is providing us crucial extra time to prepare ourself to prepare against fighting for the worst. Even currently its for sure that Pakistan will use all of its flood relief aid against building their army/Terrorist strong to destabilize India, but again funny part is that pakistan has no money for their people, but they have enough money to pay army, which will backfire in the recent future.

    Moreover there is urgent requirement from international community and India’s alliance countries to come forward and protect their investments in the our country by opposing the back channel attacks on India by China and Pakistan.

    From past 60 years china has strategically extended their territory including Tibet, South vietnam coast, new port in Sri lanka, and we all know about hongkong, now its turn for nepal, pakistan and burma. they corrupt poor people of those countries and when their target is acquired in that region they punish people under corruption who were corrupted by their authorities, and then strategically supress them. Tibet is current live example in the world which shows how actually supression works. China doesnot allows free media in the country which means that people of china will know only what they are told by their govt. like early time DD News.

    After reading the exact report of presence of Chinese military in POK, it is clear that China wants to make its route from pakistan to the Arabian sea so that they could bolster their rapidly growing energy requirements in cheap rates and quick delivery, and for that they would be needing to hold full kashmir under their belt. and if kashmir falls India will be prominent of a direct attack from one of the most fierce and undemocratic government in the world, who has only one philosophy viz. to make whole of south asia as a big china.

    But we also need not to worry that much about china currently as they are busy in handling their internal insurgency, I am doing MBA from california and i have lots of chinese friends also they tells me that showing emotions in public places are almost banned in china, moreover China has removed almost all of its forests for industrialization which is the reason why their was huge causalities in last month china’s landslide.

    I would love to ask all my fellow county men that its high time for us to not to fall in the traps created by foreign countries against India and strongly oppose any anti India activity from our neighboring countries because in coming future this situation might become a battle for survival for people who oppose any suppression by non democratic states

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    Hari Reply:

    All your point is contradictory. Stop day dreaming and whining..

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    Mammo Reply:

    Talking about about killing your own people just reminds me of the caste system that is still working around India.

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    Bhindra Reply:

    India has better quality of educated young people than China? Why do we need a Right to Education Act, then? You

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    nandu Reply:

    bhindra sahab right to education act is for people who cannot afford education as 70 percent population is rural india has better educated people because we are allowed to think and act the way we feel and we get the opportunity to express ourselves if we make a mistake in our thoughts or action we get a chance to correct our mistakes unlike china where the govt thinks for them understood bhaisahab

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  • MMB

    China also knows that India has a leadership, mainly Congress, which is corrupt, dynastic centric and gutless. To keep CPI(M) in good humor Congress is not taking any action against Naxals but letting Indian security men killed for electoral gains. Now Chinese have 11,000 troops in Gilgit-Baltistan but we have heard nothing from Manmohan Singh or his government, except “Saffron terrorism” ? Chinese know this is the character of Indian governments.

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    Peter Reply:

    actually India has moved over 30,000 troops to the border there and reopened several airfields as well. If India has high quality troops (which they also said to boast of in 1962), then why need triple the amount to oppose the Chinese troops there?

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    pucca ghati Reply:

    10,000 in Gilgit don’t face India , dummy from Chinese intelligence Green Dam/ Fire wall ! In Ladakh Chinese numbers could be in tens of thousands Any analysis of the 1962 war shows that Nehru made the Indian Army into a Brass Band unprepared to fight , did not us the Air force which we had and the Chinese didn’t in occupied Tibet . We need to make sure that the Chinese people and leadership in Mainland China understand that the War in Tibet will reach Beijing and Shanghai in the form of conventional/Nuclear tipped warheads . Then see the the great Chin sulk and run like the did against the Russians in 1970s’ .

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  • Naveed Khan

    Pakistan, China, Bangladesh and Iran face direct threat from India. Indian bases in Afghanistan are to encircle Pakistan and provide Israel the bases to launch attacks against Iran. India continues to occupy Chinese territory and stir trouble in Tibet. Bangladesh can be choked by India anytime it wants. Sri-Lanka is extremely circumspect of India that it may invoke Tamil insurgency. Then of course with Pakistan the enmity is endless and only strengthening. Most Indian Hindu’s despise Pakistan. I believe Sikhs, Muslims, Christians, Tribals really have a lot of empathy for Pakistan. India’s policy is leading the region towards anarchy and towards a potential conflict.

    It is in Pakistan, China, Iran and Afghanistan’s interest to continue to support freedom struggles inside India. Kashmir is a genuine freedom struggle. They have never accepted India. 63 years have been wasted. Sikhs rise and fall with Punjab. Sikh Population in Punjab has been reduced. When in 1966 Punjab was divided along religion lines and two other states were created for the Hindus the objective was clearly to reduce Sikh influence. However sine the insurgency of 80’s and 90’s 20% of Sikhs of Punjab were either killed, incarcerated or made to leave India. Today Sikhs only account for 55% of Punjab Population, whereas in 1966 they accounted for 84.6% of Punjab.

    Integration of Sikhs into mainstream Hindu_India is not complete. Sikhs are resentful, however they fear Hindu violence and retribution. Sikhs are considered 2nd rate citizens of India. As long as they are subservient and do not demand their legitimate rights, they are safe. As soon as they ask for genuine rights they are classified as “terrorist” and “separatist” and often jailed or killed.

    Tribal people have never liked India’s caste and inequitable economic system. Education, Democracy, Economic growth has not affected their life in any meaningful way.

    For long term peace in the region, India’s freedom movements have to be supported, financially, politically, and militarily otherwise this region of nearly 2.8 Billion people is headed for trouble. India is playing a very dangerous role to appease the Western world specially USA and Israel.

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Naved, what world are you living in wand where do you get your information?

    Do you know the PM Manmohan Singh is a Sikh? Do you know one of the key architects of our growth and the chairmn of our palnning commission is a Sikh (Dr Montek Singh Alhuwaliah)? Do you know the most powerful person in India was not even born in India, she is Italian born Roman Catholic Mrs Sonia Gandhi> Do you know our defence minister, AK Antony is a christian?

    So, you believe,m 20% of Sikhs were killed? obviosuly your text books must eb spreading tehse…t

    Christians in India (in the soutrhern state of Kerala) is as old is Christ Himself..2000 years. They are extremely wealthy, highly educated, and a solid participant in teh country’s growth.

    Your country is a mess..and ecoming messier every day.. Get a life, fix your problems. We have elections every five years, our army is under civilain control.. your army owns teh country, not the people. And may be 200 landlords..

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    vj Reply:

    Naveed,

    This is not a comment but sheer propaganda.Here are the facts – read it at your own risk – it might just smash your ignorance :)

    Lets take the case of Bangladesh – This country was formed because the Bengalis were being treated like slaves by their masters in West Pakistan.The sheer humiliation and genocide of Bangladeshis by the Pakistan army is well recorded in history.No Pakistani is in any position to speak of Bangladesh after the butchery carried out by the Pakistani army.

    Lets take the case of Balochistan – Again this province was annexed by the Pakistani army and yes they have NEVER accepted Pakistan as their country.The Army has assasinated Baloch leaders,thrown women into prisons and committed unspeakable acts of barbarity.Today more than ever the Baloch are determined to get FREEDOM from PAKISTANI OCCUPATION.

    Lets take the case of Tibet – Again China has occupied Tibet,there is no doubt about that but since China are your best buddies you dont have the moral courage or even layman’s courage to speak against your big-brothers.Do you think Tibetians are fakes and dont want FREEDOM ?
    Why is Palestinian struggle legitimate but not Tibetian struggle ?? Thats sheer hypocrisy.

    Lets take the case of Xinjiang – Now these are muslims and these Uyghurs have been molested and intimidated by the Chinese for too long.Please read it up.For example India subsidises HAJ and China has a limit on the number of people going for Haj.It has limitations on Mosques,on praying,on everything and anything.On top of it they are transferring hundreds of thousands of HAN-CHINESE to dilute the Muslim population.But offcourse SLAVES cant speak against their Masters so Pakistan is mute.

    Lets take the case of Kashmir – Pakistan supports Kashmir ??? So who gave them the persmission to gift 5000sq mts of Kashmiri land to China ??? How wonderful – on one side you pretend to support Kashmiri freedom struggle and on the other side you are happily gifting their land to China.

    Lets take Afganistan – Pakistan created the Taliban and encouraged this primitive,pre-historic apes to destory afganistan only to ensure their own hegemony over the Afghan people.Taliban are Pakistani proxies in Afganistan and even today Pakistan wants to control Afganistan.Ask any ordinary Afghan and he curses Pakistan for destorying his country.While India is making roads – Pakistan is bombing the country.

    Lets take Iran – Iran has openly accused the ISI of sheltering “JUNDULLAH” – a terrorist group which is spreading unrest in Iran.Again lets not forget Iran is a Shia country and Pakistan a Sunni country that too being in bed with the USA.So who is a bigger threat to Iran – India or Pakistan ??

    Lets not even speak about the inter-religious and ethinic feuds in Pakistan.The shia,sunni,Ahmaddiya,sufi bloodbath.

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    Mammo Reply:

    Wow,India has morals?! I am so surprised.

    So tell me, what about Sikkim? It is a happy little mountain nation before your “democratic” India invaded it.

    You discriminate your only Hindu people with the caste system. You also discriminate other religions, mostly Islam. You also discriminate people whose lands were occupied, e.g., those from the Northeast. And you are saying India has morals???? LMAO!

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    vj Reply:

    Mammo,

    I think i touched a raw nerve here which confirms what i wrote above.I have more if you want:

    Lets take the case of Russia : Pakistan played a primary role in the withdrawl of Russia from Afganistan.India has never threatened Russia but Pakistan has Russian blood on its hands.Should Russia be scared of Pakistan or India ??

    Lets take the case of USA : USA was Pakistan’s BIG DADDY.Pakistanis used to love the USA.Infact the entire Pakistani army was equipped by America.The hawkish attitude of Pakistani army was thanks to American weaponary.Offcourse by sheltering Al-qaeda and Taliban and subsequently playing a dirty double game with the USA – Pakistan has effectively back-stabbed its “BIG DADDY”.Americans are very well aware that Pakistan has basically sheltered the TERRORIST BIN LADEN as well as TALIBAN.PAkistanis now speak of america as the “GREAT SATAN”.So why should America trust Pakistan ??? Actually they dont anyways.

    Point being that while all countries have messed around – no one has behaved like Pakistan – not even one and the roots of this mess is the absolute HATE-FILLED political-religious outlook of the world which Pakistan has.There is something definately wrong with a country which openly calls its Nuclear Weapons as “ISLAMIC BOMBS”.

    Just in , A Pakistani (PPP) government minister – Durrani says :

    “The time is approaching fast. Barack Hussein Obama must act now. This is a golden opportunity, Muslims badly need it.”

    For what ?? not world peace,not acting against terrorists but Mr.Durrani wants President Obama to become the “CALIPH OF MUSLIMS” !!! I hope Americans are listening…offcourse they are.

    pucca ghati Reply:

    Sikkim had democracy ? ****/Chinese agent please get some brains !

  • Vikram

    What can common Indian really do rather than sit & think that what went wrong. It is just not our bad luck thats since independence most of our population is still living under poverty line. Most of the students are doing masters and all which have got no value in th world. When we cant trust our politicians who I think r even worse than Chinese, at least what ever china does it does it openly. I think there is another hope for India in Gandhi heir Rahul. Lets just be sulks and think that because he is grand son of Gandhi. So, he is gonna change the face of the country. I think we still haven’t come out of maharajah & British rule and we just want to lick asses and do nothing ourselves. I am ashamed to be born in such a country, I feel ashamed of all my country mates n myself

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  • s b kokatay

    China is an aggressive and expansionist country and would have no compunctions about attacking India if it saw a strategic advantage. They have no morality or respect for the truth – example of this is – for them to officially refer to their atrocious behavior in Tibetian conquest as ‘liberation’ is insulting – no country with any sense of decency would be so shameless as China. Let’s recognize evil for what it is and lets not be cowardly. Boldly call their transgressions as such.

    How does India counter China? There is only one answer and that is by maintaining a high growth economy. To ensure this outcome, India needs to shed vestiges of socialism as fast as possible and move toward capitlism fast. In addition to this seek out and punish bribery and run a clean administration.

    Ally with countries with values that are comparable to India such as US, UK, Australia, Japan, Singapore etc,

    Good luck and God bless.

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    Mammo Reply:

    You should ally with monkeys and wolfs,because those are the animals that probably believe in the caste system you hold so dear to your hindu heart!

    I guess India is never arrogant or stupid, because it has such “good” relationships with all its neighbours, China, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, be it big or small.

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  • MP

    “The Chinese perception of India as a land of irreconcilable socio-religious cleavages with an inherently unstable polity and weak leadership that is easily contained through proxies…”…It is not a ‘preception’, but near perfect assessment of reality in India by Chinese…and nothing can be more true than the fact about weak leadership from Nehru (under whose leadership we lost the war with China) to current PM ridden with impotency…can anyone inform me any such ‘perception’ of China that Indian leadership can agree upon (if there is one)…that’s the reason why China will keep ******** India merrily which ever way it fancies…that is exactly how it is treating India now…showing India its place and having fun doing so..!

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    Peter Reply:

    Chinese perception of Nehru was not of a weak president but rather a double face one. He allowed soft talk but drum up domestic support for his “forward” policy in the end. The real problem was how Indian generals overestimated themselves by giving him support of this policy.

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    Andrea Reply:

    Are the Chinese so dense that it needed a visit by a figurehead president for the penny to drop? Surely they’ve been listening ever since we started canvassing for a seat at the UN high table over a decade ago. The rise and rise of China makes przeprowadzki warszawa it imperative that we stop being so emotional in our dealings with Beijing, blowing hot one day and cold the next. The Chinese have learnt how to play us. Now we should figure out how to play them.

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  • Kiran Shastri

    Sadly, I don’t see an earnestness to build a creditable foreign policy in India. We are either in panic mode or passive mode. The government needs to assuage people in India that apart from having a ministry of external affairs, some effort is being put in to safeguard Indias interests in the global scene. Everybody else in the world seems to talk about a world ahead with India nad China driving world economics. One woudl think that it would be easier for India to exert some influence. Just the nuclear agreement was such a disaster. We were really in a position of power to make up an agreement with whatever liabilities that we saw fit. Even if the agreement would not go through , we would invest in research and invest in people to bring our indigenous nuclear research to speed. The glaring hole of not actually making a stand on an issue and being driven by what is considered the dynamics of the moment definitely is a damning verdict on the sorry state of Indian foreign policy.

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  • Global Citizen

    Why are we not carrying out such development activities there on such large scale if we say that land belongs to us???If China or Pak does any development projects in J&K the public there would welcome it but its a shame on our government that such public support is missing for India.Let us introspect and correct our own mistakes before blaming others.China or Pak are definately playing an opportunistic politics there.Anyways its better than planting bombs.Development is a MUST whosoever does it.

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  • bkar

    Indian Govt and political leadership should better take note. Our military establishment must be helped by providing latest arms and better amenities. When armed forces see politicians granting themselves five fold increase in remuneration without any hesitation and that too unanimously, they will feel bad that their long standing genuine demands are never met by these very politicians, regardless of which parties have been in power at different points of time. Their morale should not be hurt any further by making them lead a life with lower standard of living than countless in the civil services.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    The only remedy for India is to develop , as quickly as possible its capabilities to inflict injury on China. Sadly, under UPA , development of military prowess has been grossly neglected and Economic Growth Rate alone is not going to come to our rescue.

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  • aarshad

    I AM MUSLIM BY BIRTH ND INDIAN BY HEART.
    THIS IS HINDUSTAN-COUNTRY OF ARYANS,PROUD TO BE HAVING FOREFATHERS “LORD
    RAMA”

    FOR CHINA,PAKISTAN AND IRAN……THIS IS INDIA….TIGER IS NOW WAKING…BETTER DONT MAKE IT ANGRY…..
    “KUCH BAAT HAI ,HASTI MITTI NAHI HUMARI:
    DUSHMAN RAH HI DAUREE JAHAN HUMARA”

    EVERYBODY_HUNS,HAKAS,MONGOLS,MUGHALS WHOEVER TTACKED INDIA…EVEN A SINGLE PERSON OF THT RACE IS PRESENT NOW”

    CHINA—WELCOME…..THIS -BHARATMATA IS MY MOTHERLAND ND HOEVER DARES TO RAIE EYES OVER MY MOTHERLAND,THAT HEAD WILL FELL ON HE GROUND’

    ALLAH RAHAM KRE

    JAI HIND

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    Peter Reply:

    By the way, there is no united India during those times. The current India came from the United Kingdom past imperalism under their East India Trading company of regional countries.
    So how come you didn’t even mention UK in your list of “Everyone …. whoever attacked India … even a single person that rase is present now”?

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    raman Reply:

    peter ….east india cmpny came here and ruled on us…..they are outsider…they ruled and went back…..but others came here(INDIA) and mixup with indians…britishers gave us poority and corrupition…..

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    kashmiri Reply:

    To Peter chinkistani ,
    y the way, there was no big country in the east asia which is named china today or so called middle kingdom.
    Chinkistanis were a very small land, and they always attacked and grabbed the land of their neighbors.Tibbet is the biggest example of chinese hypocrisy and expansionism.

    India have more than 6000 years of history on record unlike china.
    And India used to measure from Iran to todays malaysia, it was far bigger than any of the todays so called big countries.If India start to claim it territory according to history, it will be the biggest country covering from europe to SE asia.
    But chinkistan was never a country, it is just a collection of many neighboring countries by some mentally sick chinkis, who still claims the land of neighbor in the name of fake history created by themself to grab other’s land.

    I don’t understand, why the hell chinks are coming to write on Indian blogs, must be govt. sponsored people of chinkistan, as general people don’t even understand english to write here.
    By the way these morons are blocked to write in their own countries blog and other forums.

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    raman Reply:

    ggod words…..aarshad….

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  • http://yahoo fahad

    i am a kashmir and i would welcome china in kashmir to kick indians out from our mother land

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    Raju Kurien Reply:

    Fahad – u illiterate; U r a Kashmiri and not Kashmir.

    And you are an Indian. India will ensure the trritory is ours, and not China’s or Pakistani’s. Kashmir is an integral part of India. You can go to POK if you do not like what is happening there.

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    indian Reply:

    One day china will gobble pakistan.Pakistan never got freedom. from british servants they became USA servants and Saudi beggars. Time will come when the whole world will squeeze your balls.

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    raman Reply:

    kashmir is belonged to kashmiri pandit…then….who r u….pandits are hindu and place is our…

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    kashmiri Reply:

    you are not kashmiri, you are porkistani with illegal chinkistani blood in your porki body.

    even pakistan belongs to India, we donated a part of india for the fanatic people like you to live there, but it’s a pity that few of you fanatic people are still in India.

    Kashmir belongs to India and kashmiri pandits, there can not be any legal claim from chinki or porkistanis, or else India will claim whole pakistan, and then there will be no place for fanatic porkistanis to hide on this earth.

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  • David Peng

    Reshma,

    I translated this article into Chinese and will post it on Yizhe blog (https://yyii.org) and buzz, the team voluntarily introduced foreign articles to Chinese reader. Do you mind?

    Thanks,

    David

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  • David Peng

    The article is good and I’d like to say, the comments is more amazing.

    I am a Chinese, and put my two cents here.

    I don’t think the military competetion between China and India makes any sense. Considered the difficulties to attack one another across the Himalayan area, that’s impossible. Mohan states, the next war will begin with the exact same reason as 1962 war. IMHO, the next war will end with the exact same reason. What’s the point to start a war, kill bunch of people, consume huge money, and end with similiar border line? Geography decides!

    Many Chineses memorized 1962 war as Chinese’ good gesture of retreating after actual military success (leave aside the reason of logisitic difficulty I mentioned above). They think that’s the vivid show of Mao’s principle of “we will not attack unless we are attacked”. I think the very defensive attitude dominates Chinese’s military strategy regarding to China and India. As I know, some Indian thought the war a humiliating thing. But, will you cure it by flesh and blood?

    India has already won China and world’s respect through amazing development and growth in IT service sector. India also started to modify some of its solialism economic policy and achieved great economic growth in recent years. That’s the real arena the two neighbourhood country will compete and co-exist and win-win. I myself are more concerns on frictions in this domain. Some of Chinese were discussing the benefit and loss of Chinese investment and help to build India infrastructure in cheap price. Recently, I am unease on India’s policy on sweeping out Huawei and ZTE from Indian telecom market. Let’s focus on these areas.

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    wei Reply:

    @David,

    I don’t see how “the comments is more amazing”, it’s more worrisome.

    I know our Indian friends are quite proud of their military achievements and think theirs are kinda superior to that of China’s. That’s mainly because they can buy most of whatever they want from western countries. China has only two options: either buy from Russia, or develop by itself. But our Indian friends miss the point. Because if China want to make war, it doesn’t even need to launch high-tech toys like missiles. New Dehli is only couple hundred km from Chinese border, just some rocket launcher like WS series will do the job. I don’t see how India can win by force today.

    I think ironically the main problem for this deadlock is India’s so call democracy. It’s actually an immature form of democracy. Indian boast their media can cover whatever they like, unlike undemocratic China. But to woo the readers, Indian media often exaggerate the conflict between China and India interests, instigate the nationalism and coerce the Indian government to take a hard line against China, no matter whether China’s position is.

    History shown that Chinese government is easier to make concession in regards of border dispute, which help China to resolve most of its land border dispute with its neighbors, at what cost is certainly up to debate. China had shown willingness to make peace with India through concession, but India government’s one-sided “no ceding one inch of land” stance kill any meaningful talks. Now Chinese government realize Indian government’s position, what’s the point to make concession?

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  • Jindal

    The PLA has moved into Gilgit as of late. Anyone remember Tibet? The Himalayas have stood the test of time as far as regional security is concerned. There is no room for naivety or continued navel gazing on part of Indian and Pakistani leadership. Kashmir isn’t about history, accession to India, Pakistan’s invasion, UN intervention, plebiscite talk, ethnic groups, or Islam. Handing over any part of Kashmir to a weak Pakistan would be akin to handing it over to China over the long run and is as good as the Indian subcontinent committing “water suicide” so it is not just a security threat but an existential threat. Read more here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user-comments/freetibet

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  • Ajith

    If China wants a war..lets go for it…

    All of who know China’s war with us know their unilateral withdrawal in 1962, after the US intervention. They assessed almost all scenarios and then only made the attack in 1962. We had very little ammunition and military personnel compared to what China had.

    At that time, we had a dreamer as Prime minister and an Idiot as defense minister. We did not used our air force during the war fearing it might lead to attacks in Indian Soil, especially Calcutta. Politically and strategically it as one our “dreamers” worst mistakes. Politically, an air attack in Bengal could have up rooted the growing influence of Communism in Bengal. Strategically, it would have been an good aid for our outnumbered troops who died fighting bravely.

    In the case of a war with China now , the things would be quite different from 1962. We should face such a war with courage thinking If they want it, we are going to answer it. In the event of war with China
    1. We should finish Pakistan once for all- We can flood them with our dams, and do the nuclear Diwali wiping out the terrorism from the earth.
    2.In the event of a War, our Sukhoi MKIs and other fighter jets can claim air superiority. Chinese may be buying Russian fighters in greater numbers, but our MKI versions are far far better than what Chinese have.
    3.The 1962 war has created unforeseen unity in the nation, if such a scenario arises, we may suffer losses, but in the long run it will prove to be like ‘autobarn’ of Germany.
    4.We can finish our longest enemy once for all.
    5.We will also get people uprisings against the internal enemies like maoists and naxals who might be helping the Chinese in the event of a war.

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    Vikram Reply:

    “If China wants a war..lets go for it…” you are kidding right

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  • nawang chouni

    for my studies only thing to solve the whole issue is freedom of tibet.learn and undrestand what the
    fact is and you will realize unless tibet is not free,problem bound to increase in future.root cause-tibet’s
    occupation.

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  • http://Yahoo A.B.Das

    Sir,
    I agree with Nawang ,Handing over Tibet to the Chinese on a platter was our greatest mistake. Mistake by Nehru, Krishna menon.
    However, we have done a good thing by giving shelter to Dalai Lama and other Tibetians.
    Chinese have a very aggresive policy against India and also our neighbours. Pakistanis umnfortunately have fallen prey and cannot recognise “the wolf in sheep’s clothing”.
    The sooner they realise their real intention it would be better for them and their people.
    In the meantime we have no alternative than to prepare ourselves Militarily in all fronts and totally forget our Foolish Slogan “Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai*. the last two words should be replaced by “Bye-Bye”

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  • Addy

    Hey Chinese, Indians and Pakistanis:

    Hear me! Hear me! Why? I am an Indian, my wife is Chinese (yes, really) from Guangzhou and a lot my friends are Pakistanis (oh yes, really). I have been with my wife for 8 years and with my pakistani friends for even longer than that.

    Speaking about values, Indians, Pakistanis and Chinese have the exact same social and moral values regardless of how educated they are. I get along very well with my in laws and infact they love me because they believe I share the same social and moral values as them.

    I believe the problem here is “fear”. The same “fear” that Americans are expressing against Muslims and China. I believe this fear exists because countries do not want to negotiate peace. Indian, pakistani and chinese politicians are renowned for their corruption. When these corrupt-minded, aimless, gutless and bloodsucking (not literally) politicians sit down for talks what else can you expect but a shear waste of time doing nothing. Yes there are good dealings made occasionally but all revolve around money and none are based on society. Overtime, these worthless political meetings become facts in news, and when these facts are combined and analyzed by worthless media reporters, they end up becoming negative statistics (ofcource, bad things stand out more) that any mindful person can get carried away with and start getting “fear”ed.

    So dont believe what you see in media, the reality is definitely different. Travel to India, China, Pakistan and meet the local people and enjoy how hospitable they are to you regardless of where you came from. This will not only create peace in you but prepare you as a greater and better human (or a politician) to lead a country with peaceful negotiations.

    In reality, I believe, countries are geared towards being capitalistic for a while. So run your country like a business, provide good customer service by being nice to countries that depend on you and realize there is competition. Competition brings innovation not just in prices but in ideas as well. Take competition well since competitors will degrade you, demonize you and demoralize you but thats part of the game of running a business.

    Also, the more you talk about the past, the more foolish you will appear since it does not matter anymore. You dont read past in textbooks to build hatred but to compare your present with your past and feel proud about how far you came along.

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  • http://hindustantimes.com Sandipan Bhattacharya

    Naveed Khan
    when you says that except Hindu with all the religion Pakistan had got excellent relation is total lie because except muslim according to Islam all are Khafirs
    In 1947 in punjab riots Muslim fundamentalists killed more than 2 lakhs sikhs in WEst Punjab ( Pakistani PUnjab ) , and every one knows that how you treated with your minorities , and your 1971 treatment with Bengali Muslims are well known so please dont talk about sikhs
    WANTED A RESPONSE FROM YOU
    Sandipan BHattacharya

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