Tantrums against the West: why we hate their criticism



I don’t think the Indian government’s response to the Washington Post article about Dr Manmohan Singh can be termed the subject of a major controversy. A controversy occurs when there are at least two conflicting points of view, both strongly expressed.

In this case, however, the debate has been predictably one-sided. The Indian government has complained. And all of us have said that the government has behaved stupidly and foolishly. So, no huge controversy about its response: just lots of condemnation.

Therefore, I won’t waste your time with the usual stuff about how the press has a right to pass judgements about politicians, how the Post piece is not particularly vicious or defamatory or about how India’s politicians need to learn how to take criticism. You already know all that.

My concern this week is slightly different. If you read the Post piece you will find – as its author, Simon Denyer has pointed out – that it is not more critical of the Prime Minister than the sorts of commentary that have appeared in the Indian press. It makes the usual points about how Manmohan Singh has gone from being seen as a beacon of integrity to being perceived as an ineffectual figure who has lost control of his government. All this has been said many times before by the Indian press. In fact, it is repeated several times a day by our local media.

Why then, has the PMO responded so strongly to the Washington Post article? Why did it get so agitated when Time magazine called the Prime Minister an under-achiever some weeks ago?

The answer has less to do with any desire to censor the press than with the Indian government’s double-standards when it comes to criticism. We are willing to take abuse from our own people. But when it comes from the West, we suddenly get all agitated and send off angry letters of protest.

This was as true of Singh’s predecessors as it is of his PMO. During A.B. Vajpayee’s time, a critical story headlined Asleep at the Wheel appeared in Time magazine. The story claimed that not only was Vajpayee ill but that he was incapable of functioning effectively as Prime Minister.

The story evoked such fury from the PMO that Manmohan Singh’s responses seem mild in comparison. The author of the piece, Alex Perry, was hauled in by the authorities for questioning on some dubious pretext. The Indian Ambassador to America flew from Washington to New York to meet with Time’s editors to ask that Perry be withdrawn from India. And eventually, the government let it be known that it would not take the matter much further only on the condition that Time shifted Perry to another country after a decent interval. (He was shifted eventually but I suspect this would have happened anyway.)

Why is it that Indian governments are so sensitive about criticism from the West? Perhaps the worst example of this occurred during Indira Gandhi’s time when BBC TV in the UK telecast a series of documentaries about India made by the French film director, Louis Malle. The documentaries were not at all political in nature and I thought they exhibited an empathy with India’s situation. But Mrs Gandhi flew into such a rage that the BBC correspondent was expelled from India and the Corporation’s office in Delhi was shut down.

My sense is that all educated Indians tend to over-estimate the views of the West. A movie may get rave reviews in India but a filmmaker will be much more delighted by a single flattering mention in a London paper. The actress Parveen Babi appeared on thousands of Indian magazine covers but when she died, a few years ago, the obituaries pointed out that she had once been on the cover of Time magazine.

Aamir Khan has been justly feted for Satyamev Jayate. But a cover story in a regional edition of Time magazine seems to have been noticed more than most of the mentions in the Indian media.

If we care so much about praise from the West, then it is entirely understandable that we should be so devastated by Western criticism. At some deep, sub-conscious level, educated Indian still believe that the only comments that really matter are those that come from White people.

In an era when the media are more globalised than ever before, this attitude seems curiously dated. The great thing about the Internet or about Twitter is that they recognise no national boundaries. I could be posting this piece from Sydney, Singapore or San Francisco and it would make no difference. You could be reading it in Delhi, Dubai or Dublin; location has become irrelevant.

But this was not always so. Many of us were brought up in an era that pre-dates the information age. We still divide media along the old national boundaries. We still take Indian media for granted and regard Western media with a disproportionate amount of respect. Manmohan Singh, A. B. Vajpayee and Indira Gandhi, all grew up in an age when memories of colonialism were still fresh and the West was our reference point.

Judging by the derision with which the PMO’s fury over the Washington Post article has been greeted by this generation of Indians, I suspect that the old prejudices are finally beginning to change. Those of us who understand the globalised nature of the information revolution do not make simplistic distinctions between Indian comment and Western views. We treat all criticism on merits and do not judge it on the basis of the nationality of the man or woman who authored it.

In our hearts, we know that to care so much more about the views of the West than of Indians belittles us as a nation. It suggests a lack of confidence in our own abilities and reveals our subliminal longing for Western approval.

So, what’s wrong with the PMO’s response is not merely that it is unjustified and silly. The problem is that Manmohan Singh and his men have made India seem under-confident, weak and small.

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  • Annu

    As a public figure one should read any criticism or appraisals as a regular article. PMO should rather concentrate its resources on better things than this.

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Vir Sanghvi, there is absolutely no reason for this, not only, rabidly corrupt , but also stupidly inept government to be concerned about “criticism” from within the country; the “journalists” as you and your tribe of pseudo-secularists have long been “dalals” of the Corrupt Party. This is not a recent phenomenon, but there are just a few journalists who did not drink from the Corrupt Party’s poisoned chalice, and they are Firoze Gandhi, Ramnath Goenka and C.R Irani, the rest of your tribe just were worms feeding on the waste of the Corrupt Party.
    Sadly, the power-brokers in the Corrupt party had not “budgeted” for the International media and since the corruption levels have breached stratospheric levels, it has caught the attention of many all around the world.
    A small example, Britain just hosted the Olympics and did a fantastic job within US$ 40 billion, our CWG which requires less than 1/6th the resources in comparison to the Olympics, bled our exchequer slightly over US$120 billion.
    But in the scale of CAG exposures, the CWG’s loot is loose change to the real grand sceme of looting of the treasury.
    Is it then any surprise that our beloved Italian ex-maid has been named as the 4th wealthiest politician in the world? Dalals as you and your illustrious tribe will be silent, but would all else not react to the sudden windfall riches of one particular family?

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  • Sumit Bose

    Mr Vir Sanghvi, there is absolutely no reason for this, not only, rabidly corrupt , but also stupidly inept government to be concerned about “criticism” from within the country; the “journalists” as you and your tribe of pseudo-secularists have long been “dalals” of the Corrupt Party. This is not a recent phenomenon, but there are just a few journalists who did not drink from the Corrupt Party’s poisoned chalice, and they are Firoze Gandhi, Ramnath Goenka and C.R Irani, the rest of your tribe just were worms feeding on the waste of the Corrupt Party.
    Sadly, the power-brokers in the Corrupt party had not “budgeted” for the International media and since the corruption levels have breached stratospheric levels, it has caught the attention of many all around the world.
    A small example, Britain just hosted the Olympics and did a fantastic job within US$ 40 billion, our CWG which requires less than 1/6th the resources in comparison to the Olympics, bled our exchequer slightly over US$120 billion.
    But in the scale of CAG exposures, the CWG’s loot is loose change to the real grand sceme of looting of the treasury.
    Is it then any surprise that our beloved Italian ex-maid has been named as the 4th wealthiest politician in the world? Dalals as you and your illustrious tribe will be silent, but would all else not react to the sudden windfall riches of one particular family?

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  • Bijal Shah

    Hi Vir, There is undying of the fact that a comment from west is considered much more worthy than one from within. Not only a comment on politics but on many other aspects like economy, social aspect and entertainment amongst others. Most of the Indians and Indian corporations like to flaunt praise from west, collaboration with western companies, invitation to an overseas event. Most of Indians have deep craving to know what foreigners think of India. This also evident from the fact that any interaction with foreigners either on TV or elsewhere include a question that what he thinks of India or a specific aspect of India. Every first time visitor to India is asked did he like India (though there is little be like about). This questions are more rhetoric in nature – asking foreigner to praise at least something about India. Probably we Indians deep down in our hearts still think whites are superior.

    However, reading you blog I felt that as an Indian journalist you feel jealous about foreign press getting more attention than Indian. I agree that with you that PMO has paid needless heed to Washington Post’s article. But journalist like you should first criticize Indian media for making it a headline. All big stories on India in the western media (Modi on Time, Underachiever title by Time, Washington post article, etc. etc.) have become headline in Indian media (print or television). Does it indicated that our journalist fraternity also has high respect for foreign media and their views? I think you should first criticize your profession before talking about political class. Especially, as media is expected to be at the forefront of change and its thinking & writing should not be embroiled by colonial era.

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  • damnright

    Sorry, Stop using “we”. Indians cannot take criticisms, and cannot support freedom of speech and talking the truth if it is not favorable to us. So stop complaining and fix this country full of bugs and thugs!

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  • Guest

    Even journalists defer to a fair skin. Just a few days back, there was a TV show, two very senior Indian journalists, one of whom had earlier held the second most important job in the country, two goras, one the author of the piece discussed in this column, both middle order stringers, and the Indians, were truly deferential and on best behaviour, far less combative than if they had been interacting with two relatively junior Indian colleagues with a nice suntan.

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  • Manish

    Sir,
    The way the title was put, I thought I could find an answer, but you have actually given a history, without answers. If you are really thinking the answers lie within ourselves, then this article was actually meaningless.

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  • dr.joji cherian

    Almost all the main line American media are tools of Neo Cons. They churn out reports and articles in the garb of “news”..At times blatent lies as in the case of their “discovery” of WMDs in Iraq forcing that hapless nation called America into a war.You only need to attach that much credibility to these American “news” outfits.the latest article is another attempt to malign browbeat the prime minister who is trying to take an independent stand such as attending the NAM meeting in Iran.Learn to dismiss the motivated reports and articles with the contempt they deserve

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  • Anonymous

    Vir Sanghvi knows who and what Pankaj Pachauri is and why he was selected to become the Press Adviser to the PM. I shall not go into that. But I do not understand why a person of Pachauri’s capabilities (and there must have been many for his to be selected) and his background in journalism, does not read the writing on the walls and hear the voices in the streets with a common refrain – India is disappointed with Dr. Manmohan Singh’s second tenure as PM.

    It would have behoved Pankaj Pachauri’s intellect, had he advised (now, isn’t that his job) the PM that reacting to the WP article would only highlight the PM’s failures and gradual but precipitate drop from a person of high personal integrity to someone who does not care or cannot take care that India does not hurtle down the path of economic and moral decline.

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  • Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani

    An Advice to Dr. Manmohan Singh
    ***************************
    Your innocent look, your unblemished past,
    Invokes my pity, Dear Dr. Manmohan Singh;!
    When I see the dust gathering around you,
    That blurs your glory as an honest king.
    At the head of this corrupt and dishonest gang,
    Do you think, you are safe from their dirt;?
    When I find you on the defensive plank,
    I always feel anguished, I always feel hurt.
    I have a deep regard and respect for you,
    To save your image, leave these vices’ heaps;
    The history will judge you by a single norm,
    ‘A man is known by the company, he keeps.’
    Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani,LL.D.

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  • Critical Appraisal

    Despite and inspite of western criticism, ‘we’ still go outdoors for our bare necessities and use water for washing up! This only means we don’t give a shit to their thoughts – while the PMO which remains indoors for emptying its bowels and use may be tissue paper for the cleaning act, do give a shit to it. Therein lies a lesson – going outdoors & using water to wash away or remaining indoors and using the toilet paper to dry out!

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  • balaji

    in pakistan there are nearly unregistered 10 lakh fully trained militants and 50 lakh untrained militants which are brainwashed to fight and die against india and their master minds continuously working out for various differet perfect plans to assolt india……

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  • balaji

    imp note : indian army, government authorities, people should count this informaion :–
    in pakistan there are nearly unregistered 10 lakh fully trained militants and 50 lakh untrained militants which are brainwashed to fight and die against india and their master minds continuously working out for various differet perfect plans to assolt india……

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  • balaji

    non-functioning of any nation :–
    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of any nation………..

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  • balaji

    note more important aspects also :—- less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system of any nation :—-
    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :—-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :———

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :————–

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :——————-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………..

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  • balaji

    non — functioning of defence system and other systems of any nation :—-

    less production of all types of goods leads to less export and lower quality education or no education leads to less IT export and lessen technical development, which all combines finally to affect income of country then leads to bad economical health and so meaning is bad economical health is main reason behind non-functioning of defence system any nation………………………..

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  • Sam

    Your assessment is mostly correct. I just disagree with your your last statement.

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  • engrich

    summit you are converting killer modi into god.but this is your old history.

    in our literature God is described as the
    embodiment of love. But you find dreadful weapons in the hands of gods.
    Are gods murderers? Is there a single god that has not killed anyone?
    The Puranas are replete with umpteen instances to prove that
    gods killed so many. Are your gods butchers? How are we to be convinced
    of the statement that gods are kind?it is only brhmncl gods who are loaded with deadly weapons.

    With all these baseless, senseless and idiotic thoughts , u have
    succeeded in making our society static, reactionary and dumb. People
    have lost their sense of thinking

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Engrich mian, did you even bother to read what i opined on this Muslim’s recurring one sided spin on the Israeli occupation of Palestine? I made no mention of NM or any Hindu Gods.
    It was just a stark contrast with the Bengalis, Punjabis and Sindhis who were dispossessed, just as the Arabs from the current Palestinian lands, at around the same time, and just look at what, with a constructive mind-set, they have achieved as a community! They are all so productive inspite of having to escape in most tragic circumstances.

    i am very aware of you, Indian pseudo-arabs, memorizing your scriptures without even a farthing’s comprehension of Arabic, but to sleep walk as a somnambulist in English takes the cake and the bakery!
    Mian, get a life with some capacity to reflect independently and do not shame the institutions where you obtained your literacy from.

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    BSS Reply:

    “sleep walk as a somnambulist” Only a bong could have done this! LMAO. Get an education dude!

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @BSS Mian, get an english dictionary and try to learn some new words/concepts for self-improvement, that would be much more constructive than being an “internet jihadi”… that is no different from the typical jihadi-nutcase; honours after a complete “madrassa brainscrub”..

    Dr.Raj Reply:

    Yes, they carry weapons to the brim, but you tend to forget that they also have two hands blessing the devotes. And those two hands are what make Hindus humble and followers of non violence, but it also tells that if we take to violence, we create history.
    And the less we discuss about your god the better, the whole world knows about it, and when some one points it out to you, you guys cannot take it, as they say “truth hurts”.

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  • Faulitics

    This blind and irrational support for “Palestinian” Arabs. Another sign of arabization. Religious network has been used to inform the “believers” about which side to take in political fights over land even though it may have nothing to do with the believers geographical location , local culture or other relevant circumstances. A thoroughly politicized religion. Not sure where religious beliefs end and politics begins. It’s all a mishmash.

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  • Kaul

    How about plight of native Hindus in Kashmir and Islamic republic of Pakistan? Notice there have been no Hindu terrorists there despite their horrific plight and decimation. Only Muslim terrorists there as well.

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  • BSS

    So you’ve now come here to display your rank ignorance! Nice!!

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @BSS, peddlers of darkness run scared of illumination! I dont know in which millennium you have arisen from, to presume that your “madrassa brainscrub” is the only education worth having!

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    BSS Reply:

    I KNOW that my madarsa brainscrub is the only education worth having. I am especially convinced after picking your lies apart in the other thread. You were fumbling without anything to answer back! Learn something at your RSS shakha. Don’t they teach you anything apart from bomb making? :P

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    Bomb making and becoming martyrs as ‘human bombs: are all the hall-marks of the madrassa brainscrub.Your ’secular” education is a squandered resource, it would have enriched the life of one motivated to improve oneself or society, but with that resource wasted by you , it will only be put to the use of pseudo- arabs and anti-nationalists. Besides, I have never advocated anything in favour of the RSS, RSS are not the only people in the country firm about making our Bharat stronger and better.

  • Sumit Bose

    @ Engrich Mian, why tomorrow, is the brain shop is closed today?

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    engrich Reply:

    i have someother fools like u.wait.keep grease and vaseline ready.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @Engrich Mian, Thanks for advertising your preference of the 23 pre-puberty boys over 72 virgins!.What would your preference be for the sexes of the 80,000 servants, please?

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    ehgrich Reply:

    KRISHNA HAD 16003 WIFES,as per rajneesh 15003 were kidnapped and
    married.brhmns were helping the kidnapping and used to convince their
    husbands that if u will give their wives to bhagwan krishna ,u will go
    heaven or will suffer in neven 7 janms.
    apart from so many wives and
    concubines he used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.this immoral
    act is celeberated by u people.brhmn makes good money out of this.so i
    pray,

    Urvashi – the daughter of Lord Vishnu – is a pro. Vashitha is the
    son of this pro. He in turn married his own Mother. Such a degraded
    person is the Guru of the Hindu God Rama. (page 48)

    ? When Krishna himself is wallowing in darkness of hell, how can he
    enlighten others? Since Krishna himself is a shady character, there is a
    need for us to liberate his misled followers. (page 50)

    ? It was Brahma himself who kidnapped Sita. Since Brahma, Vishnu
    and Shiva were themselves the victims of l**t, it is a sin to consider
    them as Gods. (page 39)

    ? When the Trinity of Hinduism (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) are
    consumed by l**t and anger, how can they liberate others. Their
    projection as Gods is nothing but a joke. (page 39).

    ? When Vishnu asked Brahma to commit a sin, he immediately did so.
    How can such a “evil brahma” be a Creator of this Universe? How is it
    possible for both the sinner and the entity which provoked the sin to be
    gods? (page 39)

    ? God, please liberate the sinful people of India who are
    worshipping False Gods that believe in the pleasures of illicit
    ‘Vyabichari’ relationships. (Page 39).

    so u know how fool u people are.young cpm cdres ********** on durga picture.tell me how she became goddess.from shanghai one kayasth brought her picture in 18th century and u idiots started worshipping her.what she can do to you.

    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @EngrichMIAN, you have totally lost the plot! This Zia Mian has put out a “poem” on the “sufferings” of the Palestinians. I responded to his being “blind” to Hindus who suffered as much or much more at around the same year and had to escape from Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The Kashmiri Hindus had to suffer the same fate in 1989, this Zia Mian has never bothered to write about their pain and angst, and as a bi-monthly feature brings up Palestine regularly.

    If the stark contrast to the determination and mind-set of the Hindus vis-a-vis that of the muslims, who have chosen to survive on hand-outs and abstain from education, reside on the fringes of their dispossessed land and live only to disrupt peace by becoming martyrs and jihadis, inflicting more misery and suffering on themselves.

    The Hindus ( Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis and now Kashmiris) have moved on and restarted life with education, humility and forbearance. This Muslim has never registered on his radar this stark contrast, but just remains in the “mataam” mode, blinded by the torpor of Islamic supremacy.
    As if, not to be outdone by this ZiaMian, you are on a rant on a totally unrelated topic. Mian, by shouting that the other person is ugly, does the hide the fact that you have no nose! (and brains, too)

    BSS Reply:

    LMAO! Grease sounds better for this fool. Vaseline would not be worth it!

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    BSS Reply:

    Woops I guess he was at the madarsa with me! Poor fellow!

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  • Sumit Bose

    Teesta, Your “selective outrage” is disgusting. For all your activism for justice, One never gets to hear anything done by you for the over 350 Hindus who dies in the same post-Godhra riots. We have no news of how many women were raped how many houses and businesses burnt. Hindus are not taking our pseudo-secularists on “tours” to exhibit their wounds as beggars. Hindus who had to escape from newly created Islamic republic of Pakistan, came quietly and went about with the serious business of rebuilding their lives, not living in the fringes of the newly created Islamic republic of Pakistan to become human bombs to attain martyrdom and get “married” to 72 virgins.

    As there has been no Arab or English-media sponsorship of Hindu “suffering” during the post-Godhra riots, there has been a total ‘black-out” of the rape and deaths of Hindus. Not one main-stream news source published any report or article that brought to the public domain the killings, rapes and vandalism on Hindus. you have proved your blatant partisanship by not bring to justice a single killer of the many Hindus who died or was raped then

    There have been thousands of violent incidents in post-partition India and almost all are “erupt” as people come out of Friday congregations. We “coward” Hindus have learnt to take the brunt of these vandals, till the police “receive” orders to restore law and order and this always suspiciously, coincides when Hindus have banded together to defend and retaliate.

    If NM has backers in USA , why does that get your “goat”? Al-Qaida, Osama Bin Laden, Hafeez Said, Owaisis, all have their backers for their agendas. NM’s agenda is development and ones geared to that will back him for his track record, period.

    While rapes in Manipur seem to be genuine and does need to be addressed, rapes in Kashmir are total fabrications, inquiries after inquires have not been able to match the fantastic claims of the islamic jihadis. I recall with bemused wonder, a telecast of one grieving father of a “stone-thrower” , killed by police bullets, saying that his son was not doing anything, he had only gone to get some milk! This is wonderful as Mohammad Atta’s father ( the main leader of the 9/11 gang) screaming vociferously on CNN a day after, that his son was alive and he had spoken to his son just 4 hours ago, swearing obscenities on USA. This is in no way any effort to “trivialize” the personal grief each of these fathers had to contend with, but to invert the personal grief into a political move is reprehensible and must not be tolerated or encouraged, and that is precisely what you have been at for years!

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    engrich Reply:

    u are bloody liar.all ur argument are bullshit bunch of lies and untruth.dont require any awnser.

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    vanchoo Reply:

    u are bose means kayasth.kayasths are illegimate sons of brhmn.ur mothers were raped brhns.u have slave blood write non sense for money.

    ur forefathers were boot polishers and a$$ lickers of british empire.

    u and ur bitish masters converted sonar bangla to bhootbanla.still u are showing ur ******* to them for few dollars.

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  • Anonymous

    This Zia guy has all the attributes of to-be-terrorist. No wonder he was refused entry in US.

    Shame on HT for employing a Jihadi as journalist.

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  • engrich

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2013/01/why-the-palestinian-diaspora/

    good article by allen hart.read and take knowledge.u bengalee are myopic self centred highly rascist community.

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  • peace

    Such a nice piece of literature. Beautiful poem. Surprised to see the comments section, no wonder how intolerant indians are!! Hindu or muslim killing innocent civilians is an inhumane act!

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    engrich Reply:

    few of them like idiot bose is paid.otherwise indians are tolerant.but there are hindu zoinist like christian zoinists.they are brhmnst.they are expert in lying moulding the facts.they follow their old scripture which is as follows,

    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening:
    Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only.
    Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour.
    Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.

    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and
    degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the
    sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).

    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas
    Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be
    made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).

    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:

    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).

    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony
    will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to
    live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).

    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or
    touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife
    that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month
    (Chap.3.S.250).

    There are seven varieties of sudras:

    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who
    serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who
    is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional
    worker. (Chap.8.S.415).

    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for
    salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he
    calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).

    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they
    neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras
    (Chap.10.S.43).

    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there
    is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes
    should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they
    should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these.
    (Chap.8.S.125)

    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the
    Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced.
    (Chap.10.S.235).

    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without
    paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins.
    (Chap.8.S.413).

    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities
    without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).

    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is
    to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be
    plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).

    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).

    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn
    anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so,
    he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).

    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).

    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste
    or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and
    thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).

    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled
    oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra.
    (Chap.8.S.272).

    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).

    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should
    be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

    like european zoinist they most blood thirsty peopl of world..through hate they make money and pauperize indians.we are 137 in living standards.while singapore is 6th.it is because of them 70%on indians eat once in 2 days.

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  • peace

    I love brother Zia’s columns. It seems he has in-depth knowledge of Islam. I feel sorry for all those ignorants who judge this peaceful religion through the eyes of media. These ignorants see talibans as representatives of islam. My request kindly read about the practices and teachings of last prophet(pbuh) or atleast have a look at his last sermon. Its a masterpiece.

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  • peace

    Also, Talibans are just a bunch of people who have no knowledge of islam either!!

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    engrich Reply:

    the hindu fascist are 10 times more voilent than talibans.talibans are fighting against americans.they are robbing and killing their own people and country.

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  • peace

    “….O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have right over you. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and comitted helpers….
    Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer for your
    deeds. So beware, do not astray from the path of righteousness
    after I am gone…
    Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that
    you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon
    your deeds…
    O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR’AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me direcly. BE MY WITNESS O ALLAH THAT I HAVE CONVEYED YOUR MESSAGE TO YOUR PEOPLE.”
    -Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @peace thanks for your copy/paste. Did you know that there are 624 su-ras that specifically command the faithful to inflict violence on kuffurs. There are certainly a few su-ras and H@dhiths that do advocate tolerance, but rounding up on just a ***-bit of a fragment and ignoring a whole mountains of exhortations of doing exactly the opposite, is stupidity of the highest order.

    If i went on to copy/paste those, this page would run into voloumes; but please go to Ali Sina’s website faithfreedom dot org and get a full read of it all. He has authoritatively and without any spin/deception translated from the Arabic and Bukhari’s collection. M.A. Khan has translated from the authentic chronicles of each of those scoundrels who almost vaporized India, right from Mohmad of Ghori , through to the Slave Dynasty butchers , Babur ( he kept his won records:Baburnamah), right down to Tipu Sultan, how these bands of brigands/rulers brutalized and terroized Indians as an article of faith

    Disowning this and that sect is no defense from a terribly brutal terror-manual. Your faith is known by its actions and actions are far more eloquent than words can ever be. besides you are in a state of total amnesia as you do not even know that all these “jihadis” are actively following the example of just one historical man!

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    engrich Reply:

    right from Mohmad of Ghori , through to the Slave Dynasty butchers ,
    Babur ( he kept his won records:Baburnamah), right down to Tipu Sultan,
    how these bands of brigands/rulers brutalized and terroized Indians as
    an article of faith

    HINDU IS ONLY RELIGION WHERE MAN IS BORN UNEQUAL.

    GHORI GHAZNI AND BABUR BROUGHT THE LIGHT OF JUSTICE AND EQUALITY IN INDIA.

    YOU VEDICS NEVER ALLOWED ANY MOOLNIVASI TO GO TO SCHOOL.U NEVER OPENED ANY SCHOOL LIBRARY HOSPITAL

    UNIVERSITY.

    U VEDICS KEPTINDIA jahil FOR 3000 YEARS AND FOOLED AND ROBBED THEM BY SELLING 33 CRORES DEVTAS TO THEM.

    U ARE FASCIST APARTHEID BY NATURE AND ACTION.lie is your staple food while hate is a duty.

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @EngrichMian, you keep tom-tomminmg this same drivel as a parrot for long. “lower classes were denied education”. Wrong! Education was common and widespread in ancient India, the Buddhists were Indians and they followed the Hindu traditions and continued Hindu methods of education. They were not pseudo-arabs or pseudo-romans.

    If education was denied to 99% of the population in ancient India, how can you explain a bandit/hunter named Ratnakar from the woods become the sage Valmiki and write out the Ramayan in chaste Sanskrit?

    This is just one example.Kalidas was another, and tehre a re so many many more; but are you ever going to absorb, no, you just need to assuage your inferiority complex of being born in a terribly brutal and debased belief system; as I mentioned earlier truth is something you have no stomach for, that is the defining characteristic of an Islamic-nuthead!

    engrich Reply:

    budhdhism is nemesis of hinduism.

    give me name of one library or school built by vedics which was open to all indians.

    peace Reply:

    My non muslim Brother there are only 114 surahs. This shows your lack of knowledge.
    May almighty God guide u to straight path. As of now u r groping in dark.

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    peace Reply:

    Brother Bose, what do u say about mass hysteria during durga puja (idol worshipping… making idols from hands given to u by allah the almighty ) and dancing to the loud tunes of drum beats. And finally trashing the idols in river. What a waste of time, energy, natural and human resources!! I haven’t touched the topic of pollution yet.

    Anyway, I m still passing a smile to you for i’ll get reward for it.
    It is our Historical messenger’s sunnah(practice) to just pass a smile to someone as sadaqah(charity).

    Brother save your skin for the day of judgement. Allah likes those who are of good conduct. And the historical messenger has taught
    ‘the best among you are the ones who are of good morals’ and ‘the best among you are the ones who are good their families’…

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    Sumit Bose Reply:

    @peace, i just do not revel in the “shifting goalposts” that you Islamic-nutheads always resort to. This blog page is supposedly on the plight of dispossessed people and being a Mian, our ZiaMian is blinkered only to do “maatam” for the Arabs. But you are in Indian convert, it is a pity having resided in the Indian body,all your life, you have been so very successful in insulating your intellect and whatever you see, hear or do is strictly blinkered by the Islamic skull-cap that rests on your brains, not skull. you have not viewed dispassionately why the Hindus get into a celebratory frenzy each year.

    According to tradition, Goddess Durga was married to Lord Shiva, who resided in the celestial abode, she returns to earth ( her parental home during those 10 days each year, also linked with Lord Ram’s prayers to Ma Durga, at the outset of the battle with Ravan’s army)

    It also coincides with the time after the kharif harvest, all rural families have a fresh infusion of funds and this occasion is used to celebrate joy and life. Talents of different sections of society are pooled together to make images of Ma Durga. The prevailing mood is one of celebration, joy and exchange; a brief interlude before all get back to the grind of working for the next growing season.

    Once the celebratory days are past, the idol is symbolically and with honour sent back to the celestial abode of her husband, Lord Shiva, by the act of immersing in water. This seems more aesthetic than burning or smashing the idol created.

    I do understand how difficult is is for you to comprehend that the hands should be used to make and dress up idols, play music and beat drums etc, but you have to understand that the arms and hands are not to be used only for caravan-raiding, piercing hot metal in captive’s eyes, chopping fingers or necks of prisoners, slitting the neck of a mother breast-feeding her infant etc etc.

    Celebrations are in order not only to mark a new marriage or for slave-capturing. To you these latter examples are just what are meant to be done with your arms and hands.

    I am passing no judgement on the elevated state of consciousness you dwell in, You have never even wondered what tragedy made some ancestor of yours to kiss the feet of marauding invaders and become a pseudo-arab. You probably delude yourself in believing you are an appendage of the Quraish tribe or Persian or Turko-Asian ancestry.

    Many thanks for cautioning me of the day of judgement and about Allah. If you are referring to the same Allah that “spoke” to your “most exalted human ever” that the earth is laid out as a carpet and the mountains are placed to hold (the earth ) firm, or that the sun settles each evening under the throne of that Almighty, only to begin its journey on command from Allah…. (i can go on and on and on)…. then, i have to dismiss your “threats” as patently hollow and mischievous.

    Any entity/person that demands respect on basis of ignorance and threats is no different from a street-side gangster or hoodlum.

  • rich

    Quran is a divine book. The whole world knows that everything in there is 100% scientifically evident.

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    J P Kalra Reply:

    @rich, get lost, you are fit to be only in Zakir Naik’s spin zone.

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  • Sumit Bose

    @peace, devoid of substance and logic, you are doing exactly what all other Islamic-nutheads do, prompted by your “most exalted human ever”…to curse! While fountain-heads of other religions as Chr1st or Buddh@ or Swami Vivekananda blessed all people..believers or non-believers; your fountain-head is on record to curse dogs, pigs, even entire tribes of humans. Following in his wake, you have resorted to “cursing” ; why, because you cannot marshal any ‘lies” or honest facts to second your debased ideology of ignorance wrapped in terror.
    Death is certain, not only for all living creatures, even for planets, universes and constellations. In our world view, death is release from the misery of this life and in this birth, the “holocaust” on Hindus by a very brutal band of ignorant supremacists and their remnants, as yourself and your ilk has been a very painful realization.

    Please clean up the mirror of your perception and please desist from “cursing” there is a saying in the Bengali language: The cow does not die on curses from the vultures”.

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  • random_observer

    ****! Tyres **** is always associated with Schumi. Iceman can only drive with one setup optimally.

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