Said and unsaid about PC, Pranab fight



Viewers of TV news channels will have noticed a slightly surreal political drama unfolding on their screens over the last week.

This drama had three elements. The first was the element that was immediately comprehensible to all of us. An RTI application had turned up a note from the finance ministry to the PMO about the sequence of events in the 2G scam. According to the note, the finance minister could have prevented the scam (in which telecom minister, A Raja, arbitrarily awarded licenses) by insisting on an auction.

The note was signed by a middle-level official of the finance ministry but it noted “the finance minister has seen this note”. To make sense of all this, you needed to notice the timing. The note was written after the 2G scam had been exposed and the finance minister who had seen it was Pranab Mukherjee. But the finance minister who, according to the note, could have prevented the scam, was his predecessor, P Chidambaram, the current home minister.

If you look only at the facts, the note confirmed what we already knew. Because 2G spectrum had not been auctioned (as 3G later was) not only did the government lose out on license fees (as the CAG has famously calculated) but it also failed to impose a mechanism which would have made it difficult for Raja to favour his cronies and buddies. In its defence, the government could say that the decision not to auction spectrum led to lower prices and that consumers benefitted. It could also say that the problem was not that 2G spectrum wasn’t auctioned but that Raja twisted and manipulated the first come-first served process for his own corrupt ends.

All this is no more than vaguely interesting and mildly significant. But the unearthing of the note was enough to set off two separate storms.

According to the BJP and various other politicians, the note was proof that P Chidambaram was a co-conspirator in the 2G scam. Yashwant Sinha even went on television to declare that the proper place for Chidambaram was in the same cell in Tihar Jail as Raja. And Anna Hazare added his two bits. If there was a Lok Pal, he declared, Chidambaram would be in jail.

For anybody who had followed the 2G controversy, these reactions were hysterical and overblown. There are two separate aspects to 2G. The first is the decision not to hold an auction which may or may not have been wrong but was certainly not a criminal act. And the second was the way in which A Raja abused the system, arbitrarily changing dates, setting impossible conditions for all but his favoured bidders, etc.

To their credit, the TV channels pointed this out. Anchor after anchor made the same point. Even if Chidambaram had erred (and this was by no means clear), there was still no criminal culpability. By putting him in the same category as Raja, the Opposition was deliberately muddying the waters and misleading the public.

But there was a third, more surreal, element to this drama. While the media made valid points about Chidambaram’s limited culpability, they treated the existence of the note as proof of civil war within the Cabinet. Pranab Mukherjee hated P Chidambaram, they said. Chidambaram was so angry about Pranab’s note that he had threatened to resign. Pranab, in turn, had told Manmohan Singh that he was not backing down. And so on.

Ordinary viewers, who went only by the available evidence, had a right to be astonished by this interpretation. Certainly, the note suggested that Chidambaram may have made a misjudgement. But the note was not signed by Pranab. Nor did it accuse Chidambaram of anything more than – if you stretch the point – a possible error of judgement.

So, where was the civil war? Why were the channels so agitated?

And indeed, this was exactly the line that Congress party spokesmen took. Abhishek Manu Singhvi accused the channels of creating a story out of nothing. Salman Khurshid went on television to assure the nation that all was well and that there was nothing to worry about. (It is always a dangerous sign when Khurshid delivers this lecture. The last time he adopted this position was before his government shot itself in the foot over Anna Hazare’s agitation.)

And though the anchors listened to the Congress spokesmen, not one channel changed the basic thrust of its story. Day after day, the rift in the Cabinet remained headline news. Viewers may have felt entitled to ask: do the channels know something that we don’t? Why are they persisting with this story?

There was a good answer to these questions.

The channels did know something that they were not revealing to their viewers.

They knew that Pranab Mukherjee and P Chidambaram were at war with each other because both men had communicated exactly this to journalists. Unfortunately for the channels, these declarations of war were made off-camera and off-the-record. So nobody could quote the home minister or the finance minister. But equally, no channel would abandon the story or buy the nonsense that the Congress spokesmen were trying to flog.

If you knew which journalist had access to which camp then you could tell where the stories were coming from. Some anchors had heard Chidambaram’s criticisms of Pranab Mukherjee at first hand over the last few months. Some reporters (many of them Bengalis, for obvious reasons) had access to Pranab’s inner circle and knew how much the finance minister loathed his predecessor. So, though this could not be revealed to viewers, the stories about a civil war had a strong factual basis. The journalists had got them from the horses’ mouths.

The way in which this story has unfolded tells us two things. The first is that the government may be in even more trouble than we recognise. Its two most powerful ministers (or sources close to them, as we say in the trade) are briefing against each other. The Prime Minister is either unwilling or unable to read the riot act to his Cabinet. Each minor issue – such as this note – is like a spark that sets off a flame. This time around, an ailing Sonia Gandhi was able to force an uneasy truce on the two ministers. But, generally speaking, this is no way to run a Cabinet, especially when the government itself is facing disaster.

But, this sorry drama also tells us one more thing. When journalists persist with a story in the absence of any visible evidence, do not think that they have gone mad or that they are being irresponsible.

Sometimes, they know things that they are not allowed to tell you.

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  • anil

    Enlighten about the background…www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppkABshbaK8&feature=related

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  • Abu Ahmed

    The Sangh Parivaar is targeting PC due to some other reasons – the bomb blasts and the hand of their operatives in it – and the same are being deeply investigated by the Home Ministry. So PC is being targeted by the Sangh Parivar – as simple as that.

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  • Ravi

    Here are some other facts.

    1. For thousands of years in the Hindu Society Education was only available to Brahmins. However, some notable exceptions exist, but by and large this is true.

    2. Aryans are aliens to the Indian sub-continent where they have for 3 millennia or more, marginalised the indigenous tribes and other sections of the population. So much so that the History of Northern India is synonymous with the History of Aryans.

    3. Access to education and other such privileges are still very much governed by one’s caste. Lower the caste more difficult it is for an individual to gain access to education. Significant improvement has taken place over the last 200 years or so mainly due to the policies of the Brits, and none of it due to any change of heart among the conservative Hindu society.

    4. The function of reservations is to address inherent in-equalities that exist in our society. We have reservations for a whole variety of criteria. There are reservations to address in-equalities due to religious disadvantages, regional disadvantages, even for children whose fathers served in the forces, etc etc.

    5. Opposition to reservation is almost always led by middle class, Hindu upper castes because the change in status quo hurts them the most.

    6. To maintain caste based hierarchies of privileges is the main agenda of Hinduatva. It wants to re-establish the rigid caste system and denigrate minorities to a permanent second class citizenship.

    7. Whilst I believe the current reservation system can be improved upon, even over-hauled, it remains necessary to create even tiny semblance of equality in our society.

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    RajX Reply:

    Aryan theory is a theory cooked up by colonialists to rule over India since they can claim that Indians are not indigenous to the land so they don’t have any claims over it and thus justifying their colonization. It’s sad that “liberal Hindu” ravi is parroting theories cooked up by Europeans to justify their colonization of India. The arabized also use the same strategy to attack dharmic religions claiming parity for the Arab religion with dharmic ones in terms of being indegenous.

    Regarding reservation, it should have always been what it was intended to be for. To help people who are materially “backward”. People have injected caste into it for harvesting votes and now they want to inject religion into. That’s intellectually backward, immoral and disgusting!

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    Ravi Reply:

    RajX

    Is that so.

    I expected this rubbish theory would surface and I thank you to bringing it up.

    I am sorry to say that “Hindu Fundo RajX” is completely wrong. The Aryan migration theory is backed by tons of evidence of the kind that professional Historians accept as evidence.

    I could give you names of INDIAN Historians who – on their honour – would back the Aryan migration theory, but then I am afraid you will only dismiss them as JNU type.

    You would only be convinced if the RSS backed the Aryan Migration theory, but they are not likely to do that, are they.

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    RajX Reply:

    “Hindu liberal” ravi, why push a debunked racist and colonialist theory here in this forum? What’s your agenda “Hindu liberal”? By the way, you are not very different from RSS. Both of you pea brained nitwits believe in the colonialist and racist Aryan theory. So you finally found a soul mate. A weak “Hindu liberal” has found his soulmate in a communal organization. Fantastic. You guys should do a Aryan honeymoon. Nitwit. Repeating the talking points of illiberal Islamist NUTTERS doesn’t make you a liberal. It just makes you a pea brained and brainwashed nitwit.

    Ravi Reply:

    This is little more than a puff of hot air emnating from a guy who seems to have lost total control over himslef.

    RajX Reply:

    Pea brained self proclaimed “Hindu liberal” ravi has no answers. Only ad hominems.. Frothing in the mouth against Indians, Indian culture and tradition is not not going to help your Islamist cause. Sorry little pea brain. Your racist and colonialist theories stink.

    RajX Reply:

    “Hindu liberal” ravi, here is some info for ur pea brain about the debunking the colonialist Aryan theory which a weak and illiberal minded “Hindu liberal” like you are spouting.
    friendsofsouthasia.org/textbook/ComingOfAryans.html

    Ravi Reply:

    RajX

    Equipped with two things:

    1. My Pea Brain

    2. The link you provided.

    This is what I discovered in 5 minutes.

    ______

    1. Isn’t it true that the Aryans Invasion Theory has been disproved? There is no evidence of invasions taking place, and the whole theory is based on flaky linguistic theories.

    The Aryan Invasion Theory has many variants. The Aryan Invasion Theory advocating a purely racial “invasion” proposed by Max Mueller has been questioned by many, including the noted historian, Romila Thapar, in the 1960s. The contemporary theory of Aryan origin corroborates data and evidences from over two dozen different fields of study and demonstrate a pattern of cultural, social and linguistic migration/domination/invasion of people speaking the Indo-European languages from Central Asia into India. This theory about the Aryan origin, which is currently the most authoritative theory among historians, does not state that the Aryans were an indigenous people. For details see: “The Aryan Question Revisited”, by Romila Thapar at http://members.tripod.com/ascjnu/aryan.html .

    The Hindutva groups are misleading the masses by criticizing Max Mueller’s Aryan Invasion Theory (which is already discredited) and cleverly, falsely and deviously claiming that Michael Witzel and others (including Romila Thapar) are supporting Max Mueller’s theory. In fact, under the cover of criticizing Max Mueller, the self -styled Hindutva historians [most of whom are engineers and businessmen] are promoting a theory that Aryans did not migrate from Central Asia but were the original inhabitants of India. This theory has been propped up as a propaganda item on numerous websites and is discussed as a community specific truth within the Hindutva circles. It holds no currency within established historical scholarship.

    YOUR BRAIN IS CLEARLY SMALLER THAN A PEA

    RajX Reply:

    Really? Did you cry when Osama died? My condolences. Osama is now fish food. so why call yourself “liberal Hindu” ravi when you cry over the death of an Islamist? Is deceit allowed in Islam especially when it’s practiced against the kufirs?

    RajX Reply:

    So your pea brain has pea sized memory too? You claimed that RSS did not believe in Aryan theory. They do. Just like you. Two of a kind. A anti Hindu indian nutter and a power hungry nutter both embrace each other. Now you can run around trees, dance and sing a song.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is no hindu or sikh liberal. He is a fundoo muslim who cried on death of Osama.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here again terrorist speaks with forked tongue..He claims to be a sikh (Aryan)… AIT has been discredited but terrorists like Ravi still stick to it.

    Warrior and Trader class always got education and also Shudras..this is the reason Ramayana & Mahabharata was written by Shudras..

    This propaganda by terrorists is not going to work anymore. Only muslims are alien to this land as they have refused to assimilate themselves with India unlike others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. There is no such thing as Aryan Invasion/Migration. Indeed, either we are ALL Aryans (muslims included) or none of us are Aryans.
    2. Access to education is actually governed by financial and social considerations, whether a family can afford to send their children school or not is the biggest consideration, which is why schemes like mid day meal are a big success.
    3. Function of reservation is to consolidate votes. If the reservation was intended to address inequities in the society, it would have addressed the financial and social backwardness issues, instead, reservation is only done on the basis of caste.
    4. Reservation does indeed hurt the middle class, because the middle class needs jobs. Reservation, which is anti-merit, takes away jobs just because the person is of the wrong caste. Thus, far from addressing social inequities, reservation actually discriminates against the middle class. Hardly the hallmark of a democracy.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Trapdaar

    You are entitled to your opinions.

    I hope you would accept the simple fact that I disagree with you on the main points.

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    RajX Reply:

    A nutter with manners?? Hahaha…

    Anonymous Reply:

    rajX,
    ravi has on record justified actions of osama..Total terrorist material.

    RajX Reply:

    He is very cunning but still pea brained.

  • anil

    Reservation coupled with Minority Protection Bill is the volatile combination for experimentation on India as merit is relegated to the back seat. It is designed to push it through its transient phase fof tectonic shift.

    After successful implementation of above civilised world can say good buy to India as it will expedite its fall to meet the eventuality, matching Mayan civilisation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is like taking India back to 1930s muslim league politics. The pro-Jinnah element that were dormant till date have started singing same tune. I actually hold Advani responsible to rehabilitating terrorist Jinnah in Indian mind. He was the most disgusting SOB who was directly responsible for genocide of 1 million hindus-sikhs-muslims.

    The fake sikhs never worry about sikh right but jump on every opportunity to defend muslims who divided India because they demanded that british give then rein of power so that Islamic rule can continue.

    I am amazed to see muslim hypocrisy.,.They divided India and now are claiming to be victims. It is time this hypocrisy is cut short.

    If pakistan wants kashmir, it should take 160 million Indian muslims along with fake sikhs. If it can claim muslim majority land, it should also claim muslim people.

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  • Mohammed

    Muslims never ruled 800 yrs, they ruled parts of India, on an average half of this India for about 500 yrs. Do you say whole muslims have to suffer for the misdeeds of one Syed A Khan? Anyway, if India is a secular and democratic nation run under the present constitution, it has to adopt affirmative action. Otherwise, how would you remove the present systematic social oppresion, suppresion or discrimination? Are you happy with the present morally corrupt society? How would India aspire to become superpower keeping 1/5th of population slave? Under Muslim rule, hindus (brahmins) fluorished, but those who were half hindu (lower class) embraced islam for social dignity. But as the power remained with brahmins, these new muslims were kept oppressed till today.

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    RajX Reply:

    The hallmarks of an arabized person is that he parrots the talking points of the people who converted him even though he knows it’s all bullcr*p. He does it because he needs to justify his immoral action of sleeping with Islamist invaders and thus committing treachery on his own society just to curry favors with the invaders turned rulers. It’s intellectual jujitsu but it only fools the arabized themselves and no body else who knowns history. How predictable your ilk is….

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    engrich Reply:

    rajx brhmns came from central india demolished indus valley civilization then stayed on bank of ganga.sanskrit is not indian language.vedas were not written in india.vedas are full of cows and horses whichare not indians.non brhmns shudras and women are not allowed to touch this holy scripture.

    ban on cow slaughter was imposed by budhdhists.brhmns were cow eaters during their time cow almost reached to the point of extinction.

    as per their holy scripture only white is divine people of other colours are jokers like lord krishna.

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    engrich Reply:

    central india

    pls read central asia

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not the fault of Brahmins that Muslims send their sons to Madrassas instead of schools. How are you going to get ahead in today’s world if only thing you study is the religious books? It is well known that Khans rule the Bollywood, and then we have people like Salman Rushdie, MF Hussain, APJ Kalam etc. It is clear that those muslims who wanted to improve their lives have not been prevented from doing so… The allegations of systematic social oppression are completely false and motivated.

    1/5 of the population is free and always been free. It is their choice if they want to wallow in the slums.

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    engrich Reply:

    traapdar muslims are sending their sons to madarssa because they are cheap.now 40%of students of madarssa are hindus.

    muslims have made more than 1001 innovative inventions.those students came from madarssa.

    europe is against our ancient education system as it is impossible to mentally enslave their student.base of this education system is high moral value.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OK..Let us accept your opportunistic lie that muslims ruled for 500 years..was this not enough for muslims to prosper?

    The affirmative action as per constitution is only meant for groups victim of caste system. If muslims want reservation they should abandon Islam as it has not fulfilled their aspiration and rejoin hindu faith as SCs and OBCs. No one is stopping you.

    I think muslims are number one in all crimes especially underworld so you should ask yourself that why has Islam created criminals out of normal human beings?

    India can never be superpower till people including muslims and especially muslims breed like rabbits. India is one of the few nations where polio exists because muslims in india consider polio vaccine as conspiracy of kafirs to make muslims impotent.

    Bheek maangne se koi ameer nahi hua mian..Mehnat karo..Bheek maangni hai to muslim countries jaao, jahan tumhare hum-quom ayyashi farma rahein hein.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev u punjabis are thieves liars and highly immoral people.
    muslims are hard worker evrycityof northern india is known with muslim handicraft.

    aaj kal pagalpane ka daura zor se pada hai.ya kisi mussalman ne teri ghaand maree hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    DO you mean 60% of pakistan is thief?

    The muslims are most immoral people because they can sell their ammies for some money.

    Mohammed Reply:

    500 yrs was not enough. Because 3000 yrs were proved to be still not enough for Brahmins (aryans) in India. Poor muslims are also the victims of traditional caste system, so they deserve affirmative action, not rich muslims. Abolish Hajj subsidy. Sachar report found that affirmative action indeed benifitted SCs, STs. Your criminal statistics are not true, everywhere you will find hindus are the rapist, of course hindus are some sort of sophisticated criminals. Definitely islam has alleviated human sufferings. Many dreaded criminals became honest after embracing islam. Your polio theory is a lie. True, muslim’s fertility rate is higher, but this is a matter of concern among the illiterate poor muslims. That’s why we need to educate them. Remember only 3% muslim children goes to madrassas, because of poor.

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  • RajX

    About eighty percent of this article justifies reservations for the former rulers of Islamic India and about ten percent of it says that the former Islamic rulers of India should not take the reservation. About ten percent of it is about bashing the people of India who did not succumb to arabization. Something tells me that Zia would have turned out to be a better person if he had stuck to his childhood principle that he wouldn’t read the Koran because it did not have any colorful pictures. He says

    “There is, in our Constitution, a clear promise for reservations on the basis of “backwardness”.”

    Backwardness of mind can’t be cured by reservation nor can it be used to extort undeserved special benefits to a particular religious community who were the former rulers of India. If “material backwardness” is the criteria for reservation, then I am all for it. Then we don’t need a religious or caste based reservation. I would have had more respect for Zia if he had made that case since that would cover all materially backward people including Muslims without injecting religious poison into reservation just like Zia is trying to do here but to who’s benefit I wonder….

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  • RajX

    Very good points but I suspect that it would fall on deaf ears or at least on people who are acting deaf.

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  • Anonymous

    2/3rd of sub-continental muslims are enjoying 100% reservation..Is that not enough? I fail to understand shamelessness of Indian muslims? They were given choice between secular India and theocratic pakistan. If they wanted reservation, they should have moved to pakistan.

    The fake sikhs can invent history to suit their interest but it is not going to get thru..If muslims try to push their luck, they are in for huge disaster.

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WJFSIJXTVCRASYXSML7HIMYP5E nice guy

    There should be no reservations for anyone… rules should be the same for everyone, the over glorified, yuppie youth of today are too dazed with gizmos and fast cars to form an opinion leave alone cast their vote, there is a urgent need to change the demographics of political parties being, run by a consortium of landgrabbers, criminals, the scum of the universe, all fundamentalist parties based on religion creed or caste need to be banned or else well all have to immigrate to other places..!

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    RajX Reply:

    Nice guy, nice points.

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  • Rakesh katyal

    Zia you are asking for reservation without appearing to be doing so. Any reservation based on communal lines will have disastrous consequences. Infact it is only politics which is keeping reservation for Dalits. We should have got over them by now. Like your community excels in keeping its own people backward smilarly well to do Dalits have grabbed the complete benefits of reservations for themselves and are keeping them alive for own benefits. You have to learn to work hard and get your due by sheer hard work. India gives a fair chance to everyone.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    If all Indians really considered each other as co-citizens and the other as precious as oneself, there will be no injustice in society – and one justice is established in the society, all progress and development would follow in due course. Why should a single Indian be discriminated against on any pretext and why is there so much violence and aggressiveness in our society?

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    RajX Reply:

    Brother Abu, since you are against discrimination, I hope that you are also against Caste and religion based reservation which puts meritocracy in the trash bin and discriminates against people who really work hard in favor of people who do not perform as well.

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  • RajX

    Dude, you never stop. Do you? Give it a rest.

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  • RajX

    I think it’s better to reform misguided people than reward them with land for their utter idiocy. Anyways there is not enough land to give off to bigoted religious groups anymore. Anyways I believe that most progressive Muslims are an asset to the country unlike some bad apples like our Zia here.

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  • RajX

    Zia should ask himself this question. He says that he writes about “Muslim affairs” for HT. Fine. So why are very few Muslims coming here in this forum for defending his opinions? Are they ashamed of his opinions and don’t consider it mainstream or respect worthy? Take for instance this gem

    “Well, there are those who have even denied the Holocaust ever took place.”

    Why would any Muslim want to defend this kind of gutter level opinions from Zia which compares the people who think that Muslims are not particularly ill-treated in India with holocaust deniers???
    By the way , holocaust deniers of the twenty first century are mostly Muslims led by dear leader from Iran. This is a result of arabization where Muslims who are not Arabs have absorbed the Arab hatred of Jews through their religious networking.

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    engrich Reply:

    the fraud of holocaust was fabricated to create isreal.if it really happened ,why
    anyone who challeenge its validity is sent to 5 year jail.many german professors are languishing.

    TRUTH SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID OF INVESTIGATION.

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  • RajX

    The weak minded will always find some one to blame. In India, they blame the Hindus and in the UK they will blame the white man. This is a victimhood industry and it’s very profitable for some people.

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  • Anonymous

    No wonder 65% of all bengalis have converted to Islam..

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  • Anonymous

    You seem to be cross between Camel and Donkey.

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  • Anonymous

    The hallmark of muslim societies all over the world especially in non-muslim country is that they depend on Khairaat and always play victim card.
    The commonality between muslims living in non-muslim countries-
    1. Khairaat dependent.
    2. a sense of vicitimhood
    3. Cry baby
    4. hatred for host country
    5. Immense love for fascist muslim countries.
    6. No repect for non-muslims’
    7. Demand total respect for Islam
    8. use of violence
    9. propaganda against jews
    10. Spread lies like ‘Islam is religion of peace’ (actualy they mean ‘religion of piece’ as they always want to divide host country).
    11. Demand secularism when it suits them and demand Sharia where they are in majority.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Cricket club managers in Hyderabad complained that talented Muslim boys are being ignored for selection of Under-14 and Under 17 teams. They should know that this is not communal discrimination – there are sports agents these days who, in exchange of a fee, guarantee the inclusion of a talented player in any team. There are hundreds of job placement agencies whose task it is to find placements in exchange of fee or commission. So, finally, its all about money exchanging hands, right from a child being admitted in a school to his/her employment after education. Moneyed people can play the game of life, right from education, health, employment to investing in any business. Those who do not have the money, regardless of community, are left behind. And the Hindu society was never known to be an egalitarian one. Hence there is prevalence of discrimination against the weak, and therefore the need of discrimination for – if our country is a welfare state too, apart from being a practically casteist Hindu state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Go around in muslim colleges and see representation of non-muslims in different teams.

    You guys just whine.

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    RajX Reply:

    If you want to experience what real discrimination is like, live as a Hindu in any Islamic society of your choice. Islamic societies operate as cults and have internalized and institutionalized discrimination based on their religious bigotry which they are taught at a very young age. The people who beleive in the dharmic way of life did not. If they had, your name won’t be Abu Ahmed but some ram Singh or Bheem Singh. Arabization speaks through people like you. You have to understand that turning you against your own forefathers culture is a surefire way of keeping you within the imposed and foreign “faith”. You may be unaware of it since you are in the targeted bubble but millions are spent by a certain govt in the middle east in India just for this singular cause. You have to ask yourself what a foreign govt gets in return for funding madrases, mosques and propaganda against the dharmic way?

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    Thats a typical casteist way of dealing with issues. Racism, casteism, class differences are all there in the world – even the most primitive tribe in the jungles of Africa would consider itself the best people on earth – thats something inevitable. However, casteism is an article of faith and part of life Hinduism with the help of which since thousands of years people have been oppressed, killed, raped and pillaged in India. Arabs are racist obviously, but not Islam, for thats the first religion in the world to demolish many isms are liberate mankind from the yoke of priest-led worship and control over knowlede. Ideologically it sees no difference between peoples – for God says in the Quran that the best people are those who do good on earth and aware that God is watching them. Its your arrogance and hatred that you still hold on to casteism and other misplaced notions. Indian Muslims are not begging for reservations – it is the Sonias, the Mayawatis, the Phulmatis and the Bhagmatis who are after Muslim votes and are as usual trying to appease and then dump muslims after elections.

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    RajX Reply:

    Islam replaced priests with mullahs who are infinitely worser than any Hindu priest. Hindu priests never go after political power like the mullahs do. Regarding control over knowledge, the Arabs through Islam, invasion and occupation have claimed the inventions and discoveries of other societies as their own and called it”Islamic inventions”. Unfortunately the arabized in non Arab societies have become a tool for this kind of disgusting intellectual theft.

    Talking about article of faith, cultism is an article of faith in Arab Islam. That’s the reason why Islam teaches you to see the world in two. One is a Muslim and the other is a kafir. Your forefathers Hinduism doesn’t teach you think in that bigoted way. You seem to have conveniently forgotten the murders, robbery, rape and slave owning commited by the “messenger of god” and his band of thugs. Arab society had some merit before islam. After mohamad and his islam, its all moral darkness for them. I can understand that you have to justify arabization and the Arab cult because not doing so would negate the whole life you have led so far. In Islam, there is no way out. Once you are in, you are in even if you want to leave. I pity your state.

    Mohammed Reply:

    Hi. This is the qmail-send program at rediffmail.com.
    I’m afraid I wasn’t able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I’ve given up. Sorry it didn’t work out.

    :
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    — Enclosed is a copy of the message.

    RajX Reply:

    Hahaha..wahab..what is this about?

    engrich Reply:

    ur hinduism is money minting bussines.we teach morality.hinduism cannot be called religion.as man is unequal at birth.it is more a system.

    RajX Reply:

    By the way, would you prefer living as a Hindu in a Islamist cesspool like Pakistan? Maybe in your worst nightmare. Unfortunately in most Islamic society, bigotry is a way of life. Islam plays a part in this bigotry since the bigotry is justified by these islamist bigots by quoting from Mohamads Koran. It’s obviously not a very nice book if bigots of all stripes find a lot of stuff in there to justify their actions.

    engrich Reply:

    descrimination is base of hinduism.they descriminate everybody ,except their jaatiwalas,hence dont complain.keep ur hand in pocket,while dealing with them.

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  • engrich

    13%reservation should be given to high.muslims should have 15% as per numbers.70%to backwards and dalits.

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  • Anonymous

    You are spewing typical muslim propaganda…Divide hindus and enjoy at their cost. We can see thru your designs.

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  • engrich

    if u have particular point challenge.read argumentative indians.horses and cows are not indian animal.see ur epics.all kings ang holy people are white evil persons are black brown or blue.

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    RajX Reply:

    Krishna is blue. Was he evil?

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    engrich Reply:

    yes,as per epic had 1603 wives.had intimate relationship with his neighbours wife called radha.killed all his cousins and uncles on battlefield,because they were from lwer castes.
    made castes on the basisw of birth.women and shedule castes were made outcaste.

    because he was blue.not white.only white is divine and worth praising and honour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bush is white so is he more divine than Mohammad and your Allah?

    engrich Reply:

    according to brhmnst yes

    RajX Reply:

    Hahahaha…tejinder, Krishna is not a real person. He is a character in a mythology. I set a trap for you and you fell right into it. By the way, it looks like arabization not only distorts history of real world but it also distorts the mythical world of mythology. Funny man!

  • Mohammed

    Well, Sachar report says affirmative action has benifitted greatly to SCs and STs. So why not to poor muslims? They don’t need Hajj subsidy. Sachar report found that only 3% muslim children goes to madrassas, Only poor muslims send their children, because it is completely free and but serves at least two purposes, a low paid job of priest/imam and the religious knowledge to keep the islamic tradition. Jiziya tax is a normal tax to an able non-muslim like a muslim pays the tax (Zakat). Only the names are different. Tax citizens pay everywhere. So don’t put some absurd arguments. Muslims are striving, but need some govt. support.

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  • RajX

    “I fail to understand why, if reservation is good for Dalits, is it bad for Muslims”

    Who can argue with that? Is that your “winning” argument?

    I also failed to understand why, if reservation is good for Muslims, is it bad for all nonmuslims. After all, a significant section of people from the muslim religious group divided the country on religious lines in 1947 resulting in that Islamist cesspool we now call Pakistan which has become a headache not only for India but for the whole world.

    That’s my winning argument.

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    engrich Reply:

    reservation should be provided to weaker section whether muslim or non muslim.u cannot keep a part of bharat mata paralysed.everthless muslims are also indian.why so much hate.

    in up w are 18.5%.our representation in patwari/lekhpal is only .6%same in other services.if we will be part of system we will have feeling of ownership with system ,which will enhance patriotism.

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  • Anonymous

    Egnrich says “because he was blue.not white.only white is divine and worth praising and honour.”

    Does that mean WHITE Bush is more divine than BROWN Mohammad? Never knew muslims love Bush so much.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev very stupid comparison.neverthless brhmnast were supporting britishers
    against indian.bhasmasur is black.while durga is white.

    in islam all colors are same.i talked about vedics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How is it stupid? You don’t find Quran stupid which is full of nonsense…Grow some brain..

    Why you keep blaming brahmin and jews for your birth?

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    engrich Reply:

    teri maa ka chhot pagal

  • engrich

    ravi bahi and shan,a good video,

    Libya War Lies – Worse Than Iraq – Video – Thomas Mountain

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  • engrich

    the above shows ur lack of knowlledge.except pakistan all muslim countries of the world iincluding saudi arabia run on reason,not on religion.

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  • engrich

    Universities like AMU, Jamilia Milia, Hamdard have how many hindu students, and they are good universities

    in good facaulties percentage of hindu student is more than 50%.

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  • engrich

    what is wrong u bhadrlok ,chang ur skin like lizard to fool inians.40 yrs u became marxist to fight islam.did nothing for indians.enjoyed urslf.u are 13%.take 13%share of national wealth.
    u are looting india since arrival of britishers.u were their a$$ licker and bootpolishers.helped them to kill half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa in first 50 years of rule.
    muslims always change.for u people it is the same ,vivekanand,tagore and blood thirsty durga from 150yrs.no election ,no change in surrounding is bringing any social or mental change.
    poors of bangla desh is in far better position than poorsof wb

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  • engrich

    jews are our cousins brhmn are like brothers.i hate brhmnsm and zoinism.these are satanic anti-god thought hurting the people.
    they want to built ram mandit in ayodhya.what it actually means.
    it means .to ignite war between shaivite and vaishanvitesayodhya is headquarter of shaivaties.
    historically shaivites killed vaishanvites in his areaa and vica versa.
    these 2 satanic forces follow shaitan not bhagwan.i expose them.
    see how zoinists ruined iraq afghanistan libya
    and india before.

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  • RajX

    “To contend only a Hindu could be a true-blue Assamese is not just erroneous but goes against the grains of a ‘nation’ made up of — in Hazarika’s word’s – “na’na jaati, u’po jaati (a multitude of tribes)”

    Zia seems to slyly imply here that this is some sort of dominant thought among Hindus of Assam. Would anyone confirm if what he is saying is true?

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  • Anonymous

    Agent 001, license to unmask is back. Well well well, I always thought Zia was Bihari.
    Most likely that is 99.9% chance his parents or grandparents are from SYLHET IN BANGLADESH.Almost all illegal bangladeshi (BOTH HINDUS AND MUSLIMS) in assam are from Sylhet WHICH IS AN ADJOINING STATE , which by a narrow margin went to became a part of bangldesh.
    Now Bhupen hazarika , Nobody knew who bhupen hazarika was TILL HE JOINED CALCUTTA YOUTH CHOIR run by kishore kumar’s first wife RUMA GUHA THAKURTA
    Apparently according to my aunt’s late husband , who had written an autobiography , assam was ruled by AHOM kings FROM THAILAND. hazarika was a title conferred on a person who was leader of an unit comprising 1000 adult men. The leader of 100 men was called saikia etc.
    Apparently sylhet was 100% hindu and several times DEFEATED MUSLIM INVADERS. One such invasion ,left two muslims abandoned, who were untouched by hindus. but these geezers HALALISED COWS IN THEIR SON’S WEDDING , so the bramhin priest ordered their hands to be chopped off. He left assam and first pleaded to the nawab of bengal to attack sylhet ,which was repelled by the hindu king.
    But when it went upto mecca and delhi a large contingent was sent to avenge the kaffirs. This time they won , converted the hindu king DOORBAR SINGHA to DURBAR KHAN. Now STATE SPONSORED CONVERSION WAS IN FULL SWING

    Bhupen hazarika had his indoctrination in left wing politics in calcutta , may well have graduated from cal university. He is regarded as traitor in calcutta , for the state catapulted him to what he became , yet during the AASU agitation , he had sided with the narrow parochial Assamese GADDARS , whose main ire was directed against HINDU BENGALIS, for they occupied all the prominent position in education and civilm administration.Also Assamese and bengali language is essentially same , to me it assamese is just a different bengali accent. the script is same , THOUGH IT IS UNLIKELY ZIA HAS READ ANY BENGALI LITERATURE ,OTHERWISE HE WOULD BECAME A LIBERAL HUMANIST AND PROBABLY ATHEIST AND NOT THE CRYPTO MULLAH THAT HE IS

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  • tituraj kashyap

    Zia da, loved the piece.

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  • engrich

    Lets not forget, when Pakistan backed terrorists raped, killed Kashmiri Hindus in the late

    this is a lie submit any proof.

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  • Anonymous

    Be a guest and do not cross line.

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  • RajX

    Interesting. Can you explain your theory about the duality of his personality?

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  • Anonymous

    Mady, only you can get so poetic on a petrol price hike….

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  • Anonymous

    Excellent :)

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