Freedom of expression isn’t something we value



Though a lot is heard about freedom of speech in India, the reality is that, when it comes to books or movies, there is no real right to free speech on par with the US or the UK experience.

Most countries will agree to some level of censorship on such grounds as obscenity, defamation, national security or paedophilia. But, in India, censorship is routinely imposed for another reason: causing offence.

If this article offends Hindu bigots, then Hindustantimes.com will face demands to remove it. If it offends Islamic fundamentalists, there will be the threat of violent protests. If it offends an ethnic group, there will be talk of legal action. And so on.

But, in fact, without the right to offend, the right to free speech would be useless. If everybody approved of everything you said, then why would you need a constitutional guarantee of free speech? If nobody was offended, then nobody would complain.

In most Western societies, the mere causing of offence is not reason enough to ban a book or a movie. Many Muslims were offended by the Satanic Verses. Yet, Western nations refused to ban the book.  (India was the first country in the world to impose a ban.)

Millions of Muslims were offended by the Danish cartoons that carried unflattering caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad. But most free societies took the line that while the cartoons may have been in bad taste or gratuitously offensive, the cartoonist still had a right to draw them.

Even when we recognize that the mere causing of offence is not enough of a reason to ban a book or a movie or a cartoon, we are often confronted with a new justification.

We are told that the ban has been imposed to keep the peace because otherwise, those offended may turn to violence. And surely, no book is worth the death of innocents etc.

This is a terrible argument.  For one, it is based on cowardice —- a society must have the balls to stand up for its principles. For another, it is also based on specious reasoning. Liberal principles are the foundation of our society. Of course, they are worth the loss of lives. If we do not risk life and death to protect our values, then there is no hope for the liberal society.

But the worst part of this argument is that it is actually an invitation to violence. Once protesters know that a society will cave in the moment that violence is threatened then, of course, they will turn to violence to get their way.

And yet, this is the prevailing point of view in governmental idea.

Given this background, one can understand why Bombay University caved in and removed Rohinton Mistry’s Such a Long Journey from its syllabus after the Shiv Sena threatened a protest.

Even if the book was offensive, such a decision would be unreasonable and wrong. But as it happens, I have read the book and there is nothing objectionable about it all.

It is  a  marvelously evocative novel that belongs on an English Literature syllabus.

What’s worse is that Chief Minister Ashok Chavan — a nice fellow but no literary critic —- has also weighed in on the issue. Chavan has not read the book but has seen certain sections and decided that it should not be prescribed to students.  (Though, in all fairness to him, he says that he has no role in deciding the University’s syllabus).

The problem with Chavan’s view is that it goes even further than the Thackerays. Usually, people object to books or movies because of the effect they will have on the general public. The standard argument goes something like this:  it is okay for intellectuals but ordinary people will be adversely affected.

But here, Chavan has turned the argument on its head. Because he, an ordinary person in this context, is offended by a few paras, the book should not be prescribed to specialists, to people who are actually making a serious study of English Literature!

It is shameful — but not entirely surprising — that Bombay University has caved in so easily. It tells us how little we value genuine freedom of expression in our country.

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  • Naveed Khan

    It is not the first time Religion Fascist have forced the issue in Mumbai. They have stopped critical thinking in non-religious but on political figures that are important to them to extend their political ideology. In India Hindu_Religious Fascism is on the rise. Look at the Allahabad HC judgment on Ayodhia Masjid, it is sure sign of Hindu_Religious fascism prevailing in our society.

    Shame on Mumbai and Bombay university where institutions have capitulated to the Shiv Sena.

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    Naveed Khan Reply:

    India is marching towards Religious Fascism of the majority. Is there any Indian of any caste or creed who can get up and say that killing of unarmed people in Kashmir is wrong or that Kashmiris have unequivocally and unambiguously rejected India. Can someone in India get justice for the 1984 massacre of Sikhs in the streets of New Delhi or for the victims of 1992 Mumbai riots against Muslims or the State orchestrated pogrom of Muslims in 2002 in Gujarat? Can any India demand full justice for the victims of 2008 anti-christian crusade by Hindu Fascists in Orissa?
    A vast majority of Indian parliament is supporter of Hindutva and that is organizations like Abhinav Bharat, RSS, SS, VHP and BJP are prospering.

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    Ziauddin Shafi Reply:

    We have one great, and extremely fortunate thing going for all Indians regardless of community: democracy and electoral polity. The day we lose our democracy and the right to vote, that would be the end of our beloved country as we know it – for all of our short-comings and imperfect behaviour, this one gift of freedom is the greatest of them all and gives us all the strength to continue to believe in our country and our people.

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  • Harry

    It’s downright disgusting. A single individual (Shah Rukh Khan) could stand up to the rowdyism of the Shiv Sena while an Institution like the Bombay (Yes! Bombay, not Mumbai) University goes down on its knees. And who the hell is Mr. Chavan(nni) to decide what language is suitable for Graduate/Post Graduate Students. Maybe they should be prescribed Ramayan/Mahabharat only.

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  • Vox Populi

    Forget the Chavans and Thackrays. It is the spineless students who go on their knees in front of anyone with power and pelf and their vice-chancellor that make this matter the most shameful. They have given their manhood away to the Goons in society and body-politik and the balls are with the Thackrays!

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    Aman Reply:

    For a nation which runs on compromise,one cannot expect freedom of expression.

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  • sp

    “a society must have the balls to stand up for its principles”- These 12 words should be engraved in gold.

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    Deen Dayal Reply:

    Alright, Veer is not that innocent as he sounds. First comparison of two societies just on the anvil freedom of speech of is fundamentally wrong, If he still wants to go ahead compare but that comparison will be worthless.
    e.g 1) I would like to compare which society has healthy journalists, Veer is definitely over weight so is Sardar Ji (I love him though).
    2) Which society has journalists who wonder from subject to subject and not know much about one subject. Veer is always wondering.
    3) Which society has journalists who do not advocate on behalf of week or poor or victim when it is needed. For sure Veer never talk about something current rather after the effect.
    4) Which country had more journalist who do not do any investigation or write about where investigation is needed. Veer never wrote anything about anything which require investigation Is Veer never wrote he seems one man show.
    5) I can keep comparing but does that make any difference to a person who just write and never read comments about his own article. That is certainly Veer. so I quit.

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  • basanta

    Dear Virji,
    i have nothing to say for or against to your comments here. But, please stop comparing everything with west (that day you compared CWG to london olympics) . everything that glitters is not gold.

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    Johnson Thomas K Reply:

    In this whole controversy one thing is ignored by all the commentators. The party political references to both the Shiva Sena and the Congress in the whole book. Although currently resident in the UK I was born and brought up in Kerala. Whilst growing up in Kerala we had books and poems written by leftist authors both at the University and School levels (the so called prescribed books). In none of them party political references were there naming the Communist Party of India- CPI (M) or their fringe elements or the Congress. In other words the Kerala leftist authors abstained from party political comparisons as it will amount to party political promotions via the University System/ (UGC?). A clear distinction ought to be drawn between a discussion of political science and party political discussions. However leftist party political publications were freely available through book shops and their publishers.

    Even when it is a fact that the student community in India is politicised to a large extent there are others who are totally apolitical. The University has no right to indulge in imposing party political promotions or denigrations or criticism through its syllabus on those impressionable minds.

    None of this is intended to justify the conduct of the Shiva Sena. Shiva Sena is more public relations entity than a political party especially for lost causes and foreign causes to garner publicity and through it a market. Look at the valentine celebrations controversy for example. If I were a business about to promote merchandise dependent on a western celebration I would retain the services of the Shiva Sena on the simple logic- ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY!!! There could be business entities who could be asking Shiva Sena to go and beat up a few customers, shop owners, franchisees etc which could give the product or service the biggest launch pad in India as the media would be covering it ad infinitum. In the UK 40% of retail sales is reliant on Christmas sales is a fact bearing in mind in context. I do not have to my hand the figures for Valentines Day, Mother’s and Father’s day celebrations though.

    Another important thing is the role of Indian born Booker Prize winners. It is worth examining how many of their books despite being so eulogised in India are part of the prescribed syllabus in British/US/Canadian/Australian/New Zealand universities. May be they do not want their impressionable minds to be influenced by Indian writers through their university system despite Salman Rushdie winning the Booker of Booker awards last year or so.

    I have read Vikram Seth’s the “Suitable Boy” its one of the longest novels in English language- with about 1400 pages. Yet it is not a book celebrated in the British literary main stream unlike Salman Rushdie. After all Indians should realise that publication has been a business in the west for so long with an armada of literary agents, publishers, PR, attorneys, designers, printers, theatre companies, movie and serial producers, replica makers, retailers, music industry etc in its wake (the writer’s hand book containing their addresses and details are about 856 pages (the one I have). It’s a massive industry. J K Rowlings “Harry Potter” itself is a $7 billion industry which should make us wonder the economics of literature in the west.

    When Indians or for that matter foreigners read books by foreign authors whilst forgetting their own vernacular authors what happens beneath the huge web of commercial promotion besides idea promotion is market creation. Aspirations to see the places in the book (tourism), buy the cars (BMW or whatever), the perfumes or whatever mentioned in the book creating aspirations which could later be turned to buying habits/patterns(a bit like cross promotion in movies). The other aspect is subservience to gain political control/influence/wiggle room etc. Whatever the author says about history, civilisation, business etc sort of becomes the gospel truths for the reader who fancies the book (very few readers go beyond the research of the authors) which for them in any case is a minute percentage loss in the targeted audience/literary marketing whether it is ideas, knowledge, science or merchandise or whatever. Add to this the pool of idea patents, copyrights derivable from books.

    Even reading the soviet land, soviet union, national geographic etc as a little boy growing up in Kerala gave me aspirations to buy cars, see the places in those magazines, living like them ( the thought that to live like them I have to buy the products they buy or use never entered my mind).

    I don’t believe there was ever an objective discussion on the business of literature in India as literary critics often ignore or are unaware of the economics behind the publishing industry. Most of the Booker Prize winners are people who denigrate India is a fact worth considering at least once! Arudhadhi Roy travelling to Kochi to see Sound of Music in their Merc…..no wonder she ended up as sympathiser of the Maoist cause and her contempt for the neighbourly hindu toddy tapper!. Aravind Adiga or whatever his name is refusing to call the city Mumbai despite the name change as he prefers the good old British name Bombay, Indian students scared to swear in their own mother tongue whilst they have no qualms in spitting out English expletives like the “Chavs” are all tell tale signs in behavioural psychology too.

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  • Murgie Krishnan

    ” … without the right to offend, the right to free speech would be useless.” Very aptly put. This cogent argument and description of our contemporary confusion in understanding the role of free speech, makes me recall the essay by Walter Lippmann, “The Indispensable Opposition,” (http://grossmont.gcccd.cc.ca.us/bertdill/docs/indispensableopposition.pdf) — itself part of a college reader in the late 70s in Madras University. In it he gently suggests that free speech is not just a noble ideal but a practical necessity — our best-known, even if imperfect, system for uncovering the truth. Or we could also go back to Locke who had words to the effect that even when someone says something wrong or false, he helps society by forcing some consideration of why what is right or true is so, and this prevents the truth from degenerating into mere dogma. We have also sadly wandered far away from a setting where only a lawfully elected and law-abiding govt has a monopoly over the use of coercive force.

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  • http://varunmayan.blogspot.com Varun Mahajan

    You hit the nail on this

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    Indian_Abroad Reply:

    I don’t think so.

    Neither US nor UK has great freedom for books, movies etc.

    The freedom of speech is different from feedom to offend. Things can be delivered without offending.

    Poeple like and accept what makes sense.

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    little al Reply:

    Bombay University – Stellar? No. Mediocre – maybe worse!!!

    When you suppress the beautiful literature of one of your native sons, something is terribly wrong!

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    Kunal Reply:

    ya native son who is living in canada for the past 15 years lol

    Ank Reply:

    Aren’t we ruled by a bunch of morons? From bureaucrats to judges to politicians…

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    Narendra K Nayak Reply:

    You certainly sound like one :-)

  • Satish Kumar Shukla

    This writer is still far from understanding how things truly work in the west, or for that matter in our realpolitik world.

    There is no ‘ideal’ anywhere, in any system or society separate from that as of ‘vested interest’. HT itself is guilty of not publishing opinion which doesn’t conform to its world view! I know that first hand!

    America itself is the biggest ‘censure’ if you will when it comes hard of hard- one need but mention Guantanamo, Renditions, embedded journalism, torture and much more, all flatly denied (only to accept later on). First Amendment itself comes constrained variously, you know how.

    It is pointless, at least from the perspective of our Republican ethos, let alone the core content of India Civilization, to draw on west in such matters as freedom of expression. We must learn to create our own paradigms. So is Westminster democracy no big deal as far as Indian progress is concerned. And freedom of expression, while it is a good virtue, cannot be there, standing alone, like the statue of Liberty in that American Channel. Even our judiciary has retained Contempt of Court rule to keep freedom of expression within their own bounds!

    As far as books go, publishers effectively kill many a freedom of expression when they refuse to publish that which goes against their own grain, not caring a fig for violating their publishing ethic. Besides, that is a standard practice of which Vir Sanghvi should know well- so as an editor of once. They even review books parochially selectively who cry themselves hoarse on freedom of expression! It is a dark world of ‘intrigue’, i guess!

    Of all the places, a university is one where knowledge rules, and indeed such as illumines young developing minds. I wonder how a pulp fiction book should fulfill that important function especially so in regard of advancing the cause of India. Generally, fiction is staple diet of banal minds a la Rushdie or Shoba De or Khushwant Singh for that matter, well, “X-Idiots’ stuff”. But University is suppose to exalt minds. I am not surprised that a young student has reacted, and reacted effectively while our intelligentsia such as Vir Sanghavi- blacken page upon page upon page without ever effecting even one change in our nation’s condition- pointless freedom of expression good for inflating personal egos, otherwise naught. Oh my! These Englished up people have wasted their lives if being Indian in the real sense of the term matters to them any- you know so: RISHYA SARVBHOOT HITEY RATAH!

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  • jamal

    because GHOOORA IS an bigger intellectual stealer than the bania and gypsy of india. It will even rob you of what you want to do good and then make you nobody as well. Ghooora and the euroo kind is a bhimari.

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  • Prashant Saxena

    You underestimate the Indian Govt, Vir. It is much stronger than you give it credit for. It doesn’t flinch when people die everyday. Not when soldiers die in Kashmir, not when innocents are slaughtered in Mumbai, not when farmers commit suicide in frustration.

    It does get its panties in a knot though when goons hired by other politicians like themselves threaten to burn a few buses or kill defenceless innocents on he streets.

    Aur bhi gam hain zamaney mein, muhabbat ke siwa. Freedom of speech lies rather low on our list of problems that threaten to engulf us.

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  • Mina Anand

    The US gives in to sectarian mindsets as well – it banned ‘To kill a mockingbird’ that great legal classic….it still bans Darwin from classrooms… when will the liberal evolution come through !

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    NV Raman Reply:

    Darwin is not banned from US schools.

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    PNS Reply:

    But they are at least prosperous, we are poor and we get exploited by these bunch of corrupt politicians. Us had slavery too, once upon a time! Let us see how we can reach 21st century.

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  • Atul

    Vir,

    This article was triggered by Shiv Sena ban. However, had it been a Muslim organization asking for something like this you would have kept mum. In fact I recall reading that Khuswant Singh recommended the ban on Satanic verses (as editor of Penguin? or requested by Govt. to read it and give his feedback) because he thought it would cause offence. Once on the slippery slope why complain about slipping! When the state caves in for one community then it is almost impossible to stop anyone asking for it. Had Government of India stood firm on Satanic Verses then I am sure Shiv Sena could not really defend its actions. The template of “causing offence” has been accepted by the state so why complain?

    Atul

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    Saurabh Reply:

    Atulji, you are certainly not a regular reader of Vir. He supported freedom of speech for Danish cartoonists as well. He event went to the extent of saying that if he wishes to Draw or represent Mahoomad (may holy light shine upon on him , or whatever ) he should be allowed in doing so and government should protect his right. Please don’t put him in the same category as shiv sena or Khuswant singh (an ardent congress supporter)

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  • Vikas

    Good analysis as usual.

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  • Mitra

    To Mina Anand,
    The Mockingbird was banned in the 19th century, we are talking about present times, lot of things happened in history including slavery. The US doesn’t “ban” Darwin, local school boards have the right to decide syllabus and in fundamentalist Southern Christian areas, other points of view apart from Darwin are incorporated into the syllabus. (I don’t support this). In USA, you are free to burn religious books or even the US flag. Lets not compare the abysmal status of freedom of speech in India with USA just to flatter ourselves. Lets face it- in this respect- we are no better than Pakistan.

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    Ashish Reply:

    @Mitra,
    To kill a mockingbird was written in the 20th Century.
    How is deciding to keep Darwin off the syllabus in “fundamentalist Southern Christian areas” any different from a local university in India to remove Rohinton Mistry’s book from its syllabus? Both are localised events. If the former can not be proof of religious bigotry and general intolerance in USA, then so can not be the banning of Rohinton Mistry’s book in Mumbai university.
    The Christian thugs in USA are the same in their orientation as the ShivSena thugs.
    Now, tell us how you draw this amazing conclusion that India can not compare in freedom of speech with USA or the corollary that we are no better than Pakistan? Facts please, not unsubstantiated opinions.
    And, please don’t give us “they can burn the constitution and we can’t; they can burn their flag and we can’t” kind of juxtapositions.

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    Saurabh Reply:

    Because those schools are run under Christian boards and Mumbai University board belongs to a secular government.
    If Vir was writing an article about what kids are being taught at Minority universities such Jamia Melia Islamia or Guru Govind Singh University (I guess thats the name) and still had compared it to faith schools of USA or UK. I could have taken your point. But lets face it he is not a moron.

    Also in case of USA people who don’t agree with such Fundamentalist Christian schools will speak , write and shout against such schools. South Park would show school Principal as an ape who eats his own poop. Do you think it is possible to show Bal thakcry in same way in India?
    That my friend is freedom of speech. And it does always offend someone.

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    Johnson Thomas K Reply:

    Why should we stop the freedom of speech analysis at 19th century so arbitrarily? What was the status of freedom of speech in India in first century AD when Kama Sutra was written? What was the freedom of speech in America in 1960’s when even Lady Chatterley’s Lover was banned both in the USA (the Comstack Act?) and Britain and people had to smuggle it from France? It proves that Freedom of Expression in India deteriorated say from first century AD onwards.

    Without freedom of expression there could not have been those highly sexual sculpturing in Kajuraho Temples!

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    Mina Anand Reply:

    I was not flattering anyone. I still maintain that every country has its own set of issues. In the so-called ‘developed’ US you cannot find a woman president, it took centuries to accept african americans, and there is no real secularity where so much prejudice is there against other faiths, particularly islam.
    I feel much safer in India than in the ‘liberal’ west.

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  • Priya Darshan

    The first thing I would like to state about Vir Sanghvi is that he represents a section or a group which claim to be experts (the subject who is supposed to know) on all phenomena but are extremely lazy in their thoughts. To take this piece on so-called “freedom of expression”, one can see that as usual Vir attacks the “visible spectrum” – that is the first symptom of laziness. Let me give him examples and may be – just may be – he will understand. The formal banning is not the only way to censor “thought”. Take the western “liberal” (!) media, it never publishes anything critical of, for example, Israel. This reminds me of what George Orwell said more than half a century ago in his introduction to his famous “Animal Farm”, which was addressed to “free and democratic England”. He said “The sinister fact about literary censorship in ENGLAND (Vir’s UK experience – emphasis mine) is that it is largely voluntary. Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark (Blair & Iraq!), without any need for an official ban.” Without the exercise of any force, “Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy (as my response to Vir does – “You hit the nail on this”!) finds isgustinhimself silenced with surprising effectiveness’” thanks to the internalisation of the values of subordination and conformity (“the subject who is supposed to know”), and the control of the press by “wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics.” Ironically, this piece of Orwell remained unpublished and was discovered in his papers only 30 years later! Case by case we find that conformity is the easy way, and the path to privilege and prestige (Padam Shris – Barkha, Sardesai, Bharat Bhushan – Shekhar and fat cheques, off course); dissidence carries personal costs (Arundhati – Arnab Goswami saying on National Teelevision “you are disgusting” and Swapan Dasgupta starting to froth at the mention of Arundhati – you don’t need to ban, do you?) that may be severe, even in a society that lacks such means of control as death squads, psychiatric prisions, or extermination camps (But off course you can have Guantanamo where US law does not prevail!). The very structure of media is designed to induce conformity to established doctrine. In a three minute stretch between commercials, or in seven hundred words, it is impossible (hence lazy thinking) to present unfamiliar thoughts or surprising conclusions with the argument and evidence required to afford then credibility. Regurgitation of welcome pieties (Vir’s “Freedom of Expression”!) faces no such problems rather is appreciated (you hit the nail on this, eh, didn’t you, my f
    irend!)
    If that is not sufficient, let me ask a simple question: why is that we have never ever seen any picture – not one, a video would be blasphemous – of people dying in the 9/11 attack on twin towers in NY? While the number of victims – 3,000 – is repeated all the time, it is surprising how little of the actual carnage we see – no dismembered bodies, no blood, no desperate faces of dying people . . . in clear contrast to reporting on Third World catastrophes, where the whole point is to produce a
    scoop of some gruesome detail: Somalis dying of hunger, raped Bosnian women – men with their throats cut. These shots are always accompanied by an advance warning that ’some of the
    images you will see are extremely graphic and may upset children’ – a warning which we never heard in the reports on the WTC collapse. Is this not yet further proof of how, even in this tragic moment, the distance which separates Us from Them, from their reality, is maintained: the real horror happens there, not here? Were these officially banned – no, off course not. Another case of ideological censorship: when firefighters’ widows were interviewed on CNN, most of them gave the expected performance: tears, prayers … all except one who, without a tear, said that she does not pray for her dead husband, because she knows that prayer will not bring him back. Asked if she dreams of revenge, she calmly said that that would be a true betrayal of her husband: had he survived, he would have insisted that the worst thing to do is to succumb to the urge to retaliate … there is no need to add that this clip was shown only once, then disappeared from the repetitions
    of the same interviews. Do you even remember New Orleans? There is indeed no need for any formal ban, the ideological (western liberal) internalization of values of subordination is good enough – anything the west does is good!

    I end by recounting how invariably my posts on almost all liberal sites (NDTV, HT, IE etc.) are almost always censored and not published. So much for freedom of expression!

    Paradoxically, Vir is not entirely correct even on the visible spectrum! There exist a whole lot of banned videos in the west! Go see banned ads on You Tube, for instance.

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  • Ajay

    Very true. India has a farcical democracy and censorship will shame former Soviet Union’s censor department. The “Ban Culture” is so ingrained in Indian psyche that the greatest Indian artist Mr. M.F. Hussain had to flee the country and Sir Salman Rushdie did not dare to visit his motherland for a long time. No one understood India better than Sir V. S. Naipaul. read “An area of Darkness” and “INDIA : Million Mutinies Now”.

    As far as I know, To Kill a Mocking Bird was never banned. Darwin may have been banned in early 20th. century in Southern states, not any more.

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  • raj awasthi

    Islam should be banned in India.

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  • http://tradersutra.com h.mani

    In India any body of any influence if he/she does not like what is written,it can be banned without much difficulty.There is is selective freedom of expression and free speech.India is marginally little better than Pakistan but not a whole lot.Why are we so thin skinned.?For once we want to hide facts from public,Recently a lot of censoring was done on movie,Rajeethi’.A lot good books are banned in India,a book was banned which did not put one of the leader in good light,she had it banned,a book on Shivaji was banned.Salman Rusdee “Satanic Verses is still banned.India is not truely a free expression and free speech country in the classical sense.It worries too much not to offend type of society.

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  • Anant

    Excellent article. We need to stand up for our constitutional rights and not cave in to vigilantes at the drop of a hat.

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  • nikki nolan

    Yes Sanghvi is 100% right. It is not just the governments and law that doesn’t respect freedom of speech, it is the basic mindset ..the core value system of Indian society that lacks even fundamental respect and understanding of freedom of speech. No country including UK comes to close to US in this respect.
    Yes it has come under attack from time to time in US also but they were never succesful.
    And people like Meena Anand …just spread non-sense out of ignorance and perhaps nationalistic fervour that is dangerously strong in developing nations these days.

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  • SK

    Agree completely with the article and while we are better than say most of the Islamic nations, the gap between the west and our nation wont be filled because the politicians in charge are aware that small religious issues are major vote changers in our country. All the censorship is merely an effort to play safe by the officials so that there are no protest against by them by some jobless religious zealots. That’s what we are as a society actually. Most of the families follow stupid age old rituals so that they don’t offend their social peers or the gods and maybe that’s why we never have any breakthroughs in our country, either scientifically or socially. We are a nation that plays it safe.

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  • Santokh Singh Sahi

    The First Amendment to the Constitution of USA, carried out by the founding fathers in 1791, declared, that “Congress shall make no law ….abridging freedom of speech or the press”. The government was prohibited from licensing books and periodicals. Free expression of thought is not possible, without freedom of speech. Universities in the USA are independent of government control. But the situation is different in India. Indian framers of the Constitution, followed copy,cut and paste policy. On the face of it Indian Constitution too protects freedom of speech, subject to countless exceptions. Indian Penal Code and other local and special laws have not been modified, as per constitutional provisions of freedom of speech. In these circumstances the action of the Bombay University is not surprising and much less shamful. Let this case be taken to the court to protect and preserve freedom of speech, as enshrined in the constituion. Are we prepared to stand against unruly elements and government’s arbitrary actions?

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    Dronacharya Reply:

    VINAASHKAALE VIPRIT BUDDHI. Vir Sanghvi says the truth., and that is unpalatable to the world’s largest terrorist organisation., the RSS., and its sympathiser(s) the mafia gangs like VHP / Bajrangis etc., who are the worst kind of terrorists. These are terrorists who indulge in terrorism under the “Political” umbrella or “excuse”. Hitler and Nazi Party come under the same category. Taliban come under the same category. India was blessed to have the greatest Hindu., Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru., but since we got a great constitution without much struggle., we do not appreciate its wisdom yet. We will lose it., and then a few decades from now., we will struggle for it. In the interim., millions would have to die. To mount a movement means loss of millions of lives. Man is prone to violence., but Indians have proved to be a very violent people. Honestly, this is inspite of our claim to Gandhism and Ahinsa. Where is Ahinsa in India ? People are so violent., that they kill each other on very minor issues !

    Frustration, violence, jealousy, mean-ness have become the hallmark of Indian character. The moment you indulge in a honest critique., you are labelled : “Pakistani Spy, ISI Agent., CIA Agent.,one who gets money from abroad to defame India” etc. Call someone a dog and kill him (Vanzara style). To accept criticism requires an elated state of intellect. Indians, as a nation., have not reached that civilisational stage yet.

    Vir : Fact of the matter is this : The Constitution of the Republic of India is cracking from the middle. It is not applicable on the ground in huge parts (provinces) of India. It is written on paper., but not applied on the ground. This is a reality – face it. Savarkar has over-taken Gandhi as father of the Indian Nation (in the mindspace). Instead of the Constitution of India., we have Hegdewar’s writings., and Golwalkar’s writings., that are influencing our PERCEPTIONS… our worldview… and we camaflouge it or wrap it with religious foil and call it “Aastha”.

    Where was Advani’s “Aastha” for Ram in 1977..when he was I&B Minister under Morarji Desai ! Why was Atal Behari silent on Ram in 1977 ! Why did Advani remember Ram… only under Rajiv’s tenure (which was crumbling… thanks to Rajiv’s inexperience…and reliance on the likes of Arun Nehru). This is a crucial question to ask Advani. Advani kept the Ram Temple movement VAGUE., and therein lies the beauty of his campaign. (The trick was used by the Muslim League movement for Pakistan. They kept it vague… until it happened., and it proved suicidal for Indian Muslims on a whole). Advani repeated the same in 1992. And from 2 seats in Lok Sabha., BJP (Formerly Bhartiya Jana Sangh) came into power (with the support of other parties). So Advani realised that Islamophobia., abusing muslims, raping muslims and killing muslims [Inciting Hindu mobs to indulge in the above in the names of "astha" or "asmita"] could guarantee BJP around 100 Seats in the Lok Sabha. The remaining 100 could be gathered by the “broom” of greed… and lo and behold… one could rule from Delhi !

    The Hindus are not understanding one fact. India is not “secular” to protect muslims. India is secular to protect our society as a whole. Once you mix theology and religion in polity and administration., you are on the way to turn India into a Hindu Afghanistan. Look at what is happening in Pakistan. Worst will happen in India., because Hinduism has a very rigid caste system. We have the dalits., the adivasis., the poorest of the poor., and their anger is rising. Failure of the system is giving new life to Maoist Movement. Once the poorest of the poor lose faith in the system they will take to arms.

    The evil succeeds ONLY when the good remains silent. Unfortunately, good hindus (secular hindus) have chosen to remain silent. They are closing the windows when Bajrangis rape and kill. This isolationism from secular hindus will extract its price. Hindutva will destroy Hinduism… and kill Sanatana Dharma. It will be a huge civilisational loss. For the sake of power and pelf., RSS/ BJP / VHP / Bajrangis / these terrorist hydra-headed outfits with various names and signboards (that change every 2 decades), they will destroy India. They will not rest until they turn it into a rubble. I guess that is the destiny both of Hindustan and Hindus.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    The question is-
    Does Mr.Sanghvi respect freedom of expression? He has written blogs to suppress voice of so-called internet HINDUS.

    What double standards!!!

    By the way outlook has published some passages from Mistry’s Such a Long Journey.
    Mistry calls Marathis ‘Bloody Ghatis’, Bal Thackrey ‘Basta*d’

    Here are the passages published in Outlook. Read this and decide for yourself if it is slander or literature. For congressi seculars, I’d request them to replace Bal Thackrey with Rajiv gandhi, marathis with kashmiris or muslims.

    “Believe me,” said Dinshawji, “she [Indira Gandhi] is a shrewd woman, these are vote-getting tactics. Showing the poor she is on their side. Saali always up to some mischief. Remember when her pappy was Prime Minister and he made her president of Congress Party? At once she began encouraging the demands for a separate Maharashtra. How much bloodshed, how much rioting she caused. And today we have that bloody Shiv Sena, wanting to make the rest of us into second-class citizens. Don’t forget, she started it all by supporting the racist buggers.” [Page 38-39]

    What kind of life was Sohrab going to look forward to? No future for minorities, with all these fascist Shiv Sena politics and Marathi language nonsense. It was going to be like the black people in America— twice as good as the white man to get half as much. [Page 55]

    ‘He turned and slipped into my seat! Insult to injury! What to do with such low-class people [the dabbawalas of Mumbai]? No manners, no sense, nothing. And you know who is responsible for this attitude — that ******* Shiv Sena leader who worships Hitler and Mussolini. He and his “Maharashtra for Maharashtrians” nonsense. They won’t stop till they have complete Maratha Raj. [Page 73]

    Probably some rubbish that had been foisted on the poor fellow, he assumed, remembering the time the Shiv Sena had recruited him to distribute racist pamphlets aimed against minorities in Bombay. They had promised him a Kwality Choc-O-Bar if he did a good job. [Page 86]

    There was report after report of the citizen’s generous support for the fighting men: about an eighty-year-old peasant who traveled to New Delhi, clutching her two gold wedding bangles, which she presented to Mother India [Indira Gandhi] for the war effort (some newspapers reported it as Mother Indira, which did not really matter — the line between the two was fast being blurred by the Prime Minister’s far-sighted propagandists, who saw its value for future election campaigns). . . .

    Of course, in the newsreels [Of the 1971 war], no mention was ever made of dutiful Shiv Sena patrols and motley fascists who roamed city streets with stones at the ready, patriotically shattering windows that they deemed inadequately blacked-out. Or the unlucky individuals mistaken for enemy agents and beaten up with great relish by personal enemies. (Pages 297-98)

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    Eaj Reply:

    Rajeev

    As the author of the blog says ‘without the right to offend, the right to free speech would be useless’. And what is said in those paras quoted by you is very true. The SS is a fascist organisation. In a democracy like Germany which has seen the ‘brutal truth of fascism’ an organisation like the SS would have been dealt with long before it could gain ground. And the fact is SS sustains and nurtures itself on a diet of hate, jingoism, communal ism and racism. As R Mistry has said recently the SS appeals to the worst in human nature. And if this is reelected in a well written literature by one of the best Indian author then there is nothing wrong in it.

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    Johnson Thomas K Reply:

    If books prescribed for University Students in Germany have party political promotions or denigrations as opposed to discussions on political science then it is a major problem for Germany to deal with. In any case Germany need not assume such onerous responsibilities of patronising India and dispensing unsolicited advices. We don’t do that to Germany.

    As regards the sanctity of this book as a prescribed book for university students there is an active debate- informed debate- going on in India both for and against. In other words Indians will sort this out without international “help”.

    I hope you understand.

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    Kunal Reply:

    Vir Sanghvi is himself racist when it comes to opposing the Shiv Sena. He is one of those writers who will write against the Shiv Sena whenever he gets a chance to do so, without considering that although Shiv Sena might be wrong at many things, it does get some things right.

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    Sujatha Reply:

    I don’t know if he is a racist.What he has said here is very true and has nothing to do with racism. Respond to this dear friend. If you disagree let us have your response.

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    Kunal Reply:

    You are right..my bad. It’s not racism but it’s probably hatred for a single political party, which is not wrong but as a writer one has the responsibility to write objectively which Vir Sanghvi doesn’t when it comes to the Sena.

    Ramesh Reply:

    Such things and more are spoken of inso many families across Maharshtra. Does it mean you should ban a book? There have always been mindsets, obnoxious statements in writing. Still it is part of literature. If you don’t like a book or parts of it, every individual has the right to refrain from reading it or even buying it in the first place. Who is Aditya Thackeray? A twenty year old brat who has not read this book and understands obviously nothing of literature. He used to walk around with the Nazi Swastika printed T-shirt to demonstrate his admiration of the Nazis. Ask yourself what type of a brain does this person possess? Does he know the history, the culture, the qualities of the Jews? NIL. They are multifold more tolerant than the Indians; more talented, better educated than people in this country. Travel around places in Thailand, where Indians like to go a short holiday and look at their behaviour. It is primitive to say the least. They are leaving the worst reputation for India behind. Just a demonstration of money – power procured through black-marketing, without paying taxes and the like. Ask yourself, how much of Maharashtra history is real and how much is an eye-wask to suit politicians of all parties in Maharashtra. But do Maharashtrians ask for a ban on this faking. No way because they like the pink coloured glasses.

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    Srinivas Reply:

    All those passages you have quoted are things every student should ponder over. One goes to a good university to read literature, novels, books and examine his own prejudices. Not to become part of a herd. Very sad that you Indians are so backward!

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  • nirav

    Mr sanghvi,

    Where are your loyalties and ethos when you are silent on the ban of the book Red Saree…
    Also your love for UK and USA is at best suffering from aamir’s short term memory loss….
    As you forgot the hundreds of years of slavery and oppression the rulers and capitalists of your western countries practiced of worst kinds,,,and still do in tons of jails and countries…
    Freedom of speech should be universal not just for your citizens….that is true freedom…
    You subject is right just that you lack the right yardstick and the conscience to comment on…

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  • jango11

    To the person who has quotes from the book to support his case:
    It’s dissociative writing. The author is by no means endorsing the protagonist’s language. Hey, have you read any fiction? Lots of characters say lots of offensive things. Doesn’t mean the book should be banned. I find the language extremely realistic. People speak that way in private and I know many minorities who hold the same opinion of the Shiv Sena. Giving voice to such opinion via characters in a semi-fictional novel is perfectly fine. In fact, I think there’s some truth in some of those words as has been made evident by the party in question dictating terms to a supposedly secular university and thrusting their views down every person’s throat.

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  • Sandipan Roy

    I wonder how far your “free speech” will go in the U.S. if one has to start a political party under the banner of! communism! There is enough evidence of it that the mighty U.S. will throw you in the slammer if you ever start any communist activities. So it is something with regards to what suits you and accordingly, you execute – it’s as simple as that! It’s therefore of no values by comparing India’s free speech with the U.S.

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  • tina

    Is holocaust denial considered freedom of expression in those so called liberal, free Western societies Mr. Sanghvi seems to so obsessed with?

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    Ziauddin Shafi Reply:

    Very relevant question. Any attempts to differentiate between peace-loving Jews and the Zionists is blocked mischievously – the Zionists simply never tolerate any criticism of their ideology, deeds and misdeeds – just like our own RSS / VHP / Siv Sena or Al Qaeda / Taliban or bible-thumping christian. It is imperative to understand that people have to maintain peace and behave in a civilized manner when they are offended – if one reacts to offense with violence, abuse and threats, this is what is known as an intolerant and violent person / society. If somebody is calm when nothing is causing any offense to her/him, she/he is not exactly covering herself/himself in glory.

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  • Atish

    Patriotism of the fascist is no patriotism at all. The passages that Mr. Rajeev quotes are spot-on. Shiv Sena is a fascist organization. The Hindu fundamentalists can be up on their hind legs and bellow all they want, but their track record clearly points to very unsavoury beliefs and actions, notwithstanding their “saffron terrorism/patriotism”.

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  • http://yahoo c pabla

    mr Veer singhvi you have mentioned this book in regards to freedom of speech i want to ask you a question why you did not mention the books written about congress leaders or your patrons the red saari and the book written by a alahabad univerisity proffser about the so called prince mr rahul gandhi

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  • http://f passed

    To Rajeev:

    I agree that if the mentioned paragraphs were from the book (I have not read it) then it may hurt the feeling of Shiv Sainik. but then there is right way of doing things and there is wrong way of doing things. If they were not happy with the book and wanted it to be removed from syllabus, then they should have filed a request or a case in court. But threatening and using scare tactics are not good for the society.

    We, as Indian, already suffer from “Do not question authority” syndrome, and we surely do not need parallel authorities, who impose their own rules and regulations. Don’t forget, each dictatorship started small and with the support from people, ultimately it was people who paid the price for their decision of going along with the wrong, even if it seems right at the time.

    Submitting to unreasonable demands of few individuals is not good for freedom of expression and we should all stand against it. Few lives lost might seems a big price for a this, but freedom to millions is surely worth it.

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    Kunal Reply:

    You are right about the way you think Shiv Sena should have reacted. But the Sena is not used to such PR friendly ways. The issues it usually fights for needs scare tactics and shouting out loud as usually the PR friendly, politically correct ways of other politicians do not work.

    Imagine they have to shout and scare people into talking Marathi in their own state. And if they even ask people to talk in Marathi, some left wing guys would term them as fascist. And if they ask the government to put up quotas for the local poor population, which is also infact a good idea in the theory of economics, left wingers say they are dividing the country. The Sena won’t be heard if they do not have this attitude.

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  • Ved

    Such extracts show a debased mind.Of course it is the characters who speak such hateful things but the author seems to relish them.

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  • S. K. Gangulee

    The article is thought provoking. But to argue that “without the right to offend, the right to free speech would be useless” is nothing but to ask for ‘right to abuse’, and certainly not the ‘right to freedom of expression’. True, to get offended at the slightest excuses is rampant and should discredited. An exercise of a right in a democracy is a responsible act of a responsible citizen. When I exercise this particular right, I cannot offend any others. All the problems of the kind arises out of the fact that we implanted democracy, before responsible citizenship could be on firm grounds in the country. We put the cart before the horse. It is sad, we still lament that we fail to reach the destination.

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    Ank Reply:

    The freedom of speech is not really about saying only good things. You have that ‘freedom’ even in places like Iran or China. The real test of freedom of speech lies in whether you are allowed to say bad (offensive) things. I may feel offended by your speech but I must defend your right to say things — that’s real freedom.
    I may hate a book or feel offended by it, and so I may not buy it. But I have to support the right of the author to publish the book. Because if I don’t then I too should shut my mouth and not say anything that offends others.
    You can translate this principle to anyone — to Shiv Sena, to Muslims (Satanic Verses), to even yourself.
    We just have to have the right to disagree with others!!
    I also understand that the principle of right to free speech must also be backed by a strong law enforcement machinery. Our law enforcement can’t stand up to the smallest of groups of ruffains! So the government backs out of defending the right to speech.

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  • RAKESH SHARMA

    APNI APNI DHAPLI, APNA APNA RAAG.

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  • Sanjiv

    As usual we cannot see reason and immediately take up extremes. There is no question that the Shiv Sena has indulged in violence over the years but they should have filed suit for libel instead of taking the action they did to launch yet another member of the Thakarey dynasty. Another alternative would have been to do what Sonia Gandhi’s Congress did with the movie Rajniti. Demand that the script be modified. There are just too many ’sensitive’ subjects in India.

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    Sanjiv Reply:

    Vir Ji, Your articles have stopped being very intelligent and incisive…this is all run of the mill pulp stuff..

    you have stopped challenging our intellects..needless to say your highly opinionated views are so irritating…it obfuscates the issue…

    the point is – if Bal Tahkeray is wrong..there is a Congress Govt..in state and also in Centre…
    Pls. have them invloke the correct law and have penal action taken against whoever is guilty of bigotry…

    The point that Congress itself stand guilty of playing the poitics of **** – to its limits…is just lost and not visible in your article and therein you too stand guilty of being a passive abettor to the Congress politics of ****….

    And worse still you just dont understand or rather dont care…

    You ‘Kong’ friendly media guys just havent yet fathomed the kind of anger we have developed against the establishment now…of which you clearly stand identified as an important part in its great ‘Propaganda Machine’ system.

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    Narendra K Nayak Reply:

    Why did you not show your contempt for all that is rotting in the University by going there and jerking off in front of all those book-burning youngistan types? Be yourself in public sometimes, Vir ji rubbisho.

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    Narendra K Nayak Reply:

    That comment was directed towards that dumbass somewhere called Sanjiv…it would just as soon kiss Vir ji’s arse to get his way.

    Sanjiv Reply:

    Thanks Narendra…thank you indeed for your kind compliments….same to you…

  • vm

    Actually what Mr Vir Sanghvi has writen is true but we are not so strong like USA to take care of after effects.We banned the book of satanic verses because writer has writen some things which muslims will not like and we did not print caricatures of Mr Mohammand because they were offensive to our muslim citizens.Some time it is better not say truth which can cuause more problems.India has problem with western neighbour and eastern border and we do not want more problems just to print because of freedom of speech.

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  • Aiyer

    Well said, but how do we get this across to those who support people like Bal Thakeray and his dynasty, his flock of sheep? What is worse is Rajinikanth has called him his God. Now all His followers will start looking up to this endorsed idol’s idol.

    We need to look at this whole idea of imitation and hero-worship. The falling at the feet culture is also something that needs to be questioned.

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  • V

    Democracy requires people to play a role in the process. What role will the majority play when they are living on less than a dollar a day? And the people who can afford to do something about it run to greener pastures. Chalta hai!

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  • deepak chopra

    Vir Shingvi looks yet undecided as to what freedom of speech is

    He has his own ideas it and desires the population at large to abide by it,this is his view point just alike are the view point of say shiv saniks or for the matter Saudis who give their justifications

    The Government of the time is the ultimate arbitrator as to which school of thought is correct,so the matter ultimately rests with the ruling authority

    The diversity of the human mind is the only constant thing in the world ,for human beings are not robots,All the changes in the society has ocoured simply because of the diversity,Socrates was put to death and now he has the status of a icon .the flux is a ongoing process

    Proof is what is sought by the contesting sides,the court

    All goes well as long as it is peaceful,similar to unending fights between the siblings of a family,the trouble occurs when one of the contesting parties put unprovable or “divine’ arguments and God heads the list

    In the present times it is religion which is the fountain head of freedom or lack of it in day to day affairs and Islam tops the list

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Why doesn’t Indian media support freedom of expression in case of lajja, Satanic Verses, Da Vinci Code (movie), Red Saree, Mee nathuram Godse Boltoi etc. ?

    The Indians have habit of showing their so called intellectuality but this intellectuality should also be accompanied by good memory. Those who are slamming Bal Thackrey (rightly or wrongly) should also ask why it is not permissible to question acts of MK Gandhi and Nehru dynasty.

    Let’s not have double standards when it comes to free speech. If we allow Karuna to say Rama was drunkard, we should allow others to say that Mohammad was highway robber.

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  • Narendra K Nayak

    The Mumbai University has always been a vulgar place to be in even as environmentally, it was a gifted place to be in when I used to be there. People were downright vulgar, vernacular, boring, cheap. They still. More political filth has flown that way. Hope the Mithi runs over it and swallows it up one of these monsoons. But God, somebody if not Amitabh Bachchan, must rescue the JN Library collection before the dark floods.

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  • Narendra K Nayak

    You dont mean Soeak Your Mind. My arse!

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  • Prashant Saxena

    Vir,
    You are mixing up two separate issues. Let me cite an example to clarify. A student counsellor at Emory university was fired for showing bias against a gay student in her actions and also making statelments derogatory to gays.
    She defended her position citing freedom of speech. The University won in the Supreme court on the grounds that while she was entitled to her opinion and to express it, her actions and official statements must represent the views of the University.
    Similarly, freedom of speech for the author is a separate issue, the University reserves its right to determine what is fit to be the curriculum for its courses.
    Anyway, who cares what a bunch of losers enrolled for an English Literature course read (including themselves) because the only reason they are doing it is that they couldn’t get anything better?

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  • http://marathiclub.com Ninad

    Freedom of speech doesn’t come into play here, as the book is not banned totally. It’s only been removed from the MU curriculum. However it is highly embarrassing for the university that it bowed to the demand of a 19 year old student and grandson of Mr. Bal Thackeray. It should have selected a panel and let them review the book.

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  • faizan

    I completely agree with the journo for freedom of speech but i completely disagree with him for giving the example of west for freedom of thought and speech.
    Latest example of this is France where the Roman Gypsies though as a citizen of EU have right to move anywhere in EU but are driven out the country, these are the countries where flaunting tatoos of explicit racial abuse, sexual content, anti-christ, are freedom of thought and expression, moving naked on roads is liberalism but whereas the practice of a women who wants to follow her religion by covering her body with her own will should be banned by law.
    these are just a couple of recent examples Mr. Sanghvi, we love for what what u write but u got it a bit wrong this time… im sorry
    :-)

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    Saurabh Reply:

    faizanji, you are comparing apples with oranges.
    freedom of speech is a basic human right which west has mastered mostly, though they still heavily lack ability to live in a multi-cultural society. Also, in France even if they don’t allow full-hijab/burqa, people irrespective of class or race will still have the right to SPEAK or WRITE against such laws and other folly of government and its organizations.

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    shan Reply:

    @Faizan , dont you think there is a far simpler solution. If your quom feels that particular dressing they cant do wiyhout , why cant they simply move a country where that particular dress is mandatiry. Or is it cant do with croissant , crepes and brioche. Cant have your cake and eat it.

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  • Kishan

    We need not copy the west blindly in each and everything. Also, a good writer can express any kind of thought without using filthy language. And to insist on offending to test the freedom of speech may not be a sane argument.

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  • janardan rao

    Many intellectuals have already commented on this issue—-withdraing the novel SUCH A LONG JOURNEY from the syllabus by the ‘varsity just because the Shivsena demanded it. Many people who have gone through the book did not find anything wrong with it. The story’s characters are mostly Parsis and they did not find anything objectionable.It was published some 20 years ago. It has been on the syllabus for Degree course and for post-graduate course too, for many years.
    Suddenly Shivsena discovered that there are some critical comments about the Sena now, after so many years, and it demanded withdrqwal of the book from the syllabus. And the VC readily , promptly and obliged.
    As is wellknown, Shivsena is an organisation of narrow minded, intolerant of others’ opinion,brash and has an army of hooligan followers. The VC is intimidated and decided that discreetion is better than valor.Thus freedom of speech and opinion is the victim. Decency and gentlemanlness is the victim.Fascist methods of poitics are more effective than democratic means.

    It is high time people of Mumbai stand up against this kind of dadagiri.Once they show their determination, these hooligans will run away with their tails between their legs.The people have to take the initiative, for the state govt. have surrendere AGAIN before this dadagiri.

    Lastly, my submission to mr. Rajiv Gandhi; He has been valiantly calling upon the youth to join politics in his meetings everywhere.It is very nice of him. Youth must do it. But what kind of politics they should join? Politics of submission to hooligans and semi-fascists? As the Gen Secretary of his Party, was it not expected of him to call upon the youth congress to stand up against this vandalism? Should he not have asked the Chief Minster who belonged to his Party to heed to the views of the intellectuals, among whom was the Principal of the college where Rohinton Mistry studied, of whom the learned Principal was very proud and who ( the Principal) regretted that the VC had taken the unreasonable and hasty decision to withdraw the said book? Whose opinion should prevail about this book? That of learnedmen or half-literat hooligans?

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    Dd Reply:

    Its Rahul Gandhi,

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  • Kushagra

    Referring to the following statements in this blog:

    ‘We are told that the ban has been imposed to keep the peace because otherwise, those offended may turn to violence. And surely, no book is worth the death of innocents etc.

    This is a terrible argument. For one, it is based on cowardice —- a society must have the balls to stand up for its principles’

    Its often a few handful of goons who indulge in violence over movies/books. Now, what it refelects is the law and order situation of the country is so abysmal that people can get away with violence. Majority of people don’t support these violent bigots but they are not going to risk their lives over something which is the duty of police. The establishment of police force is for the express purpose of protecting the citizens and stopping these violent bigots.

    In developed countries, the police take strict actions if there is a threat of miscreants creating trouble. The police ensure public safety, in other words protect their freedom of expression, unlike India where Police force is usually hand in gloves with these violent bigoted goons, allowing them immunity to carry out such acts.

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  • http://indiachatbox.blogspot.com ratan

    Joining late, but do allow me to join the discussion.
    Another recent example is our government’s response to a New Zealand anchor’s comments on Sheila Dikshit while criticising the games preparedness in Delhi. We seem to revel in taking offence to everything that is not pleasant to our eyes and ears. We get easily rattled, we smell political opportunity in others’ deliberate remarks as well as slips of tongue, but when our time comes to respond, we get rabid and justify our action.
    It was fair of Chavan not to support the book [in the political equations in Maharashtra, that would be suicidal], but he should not have become party to the banning, even the debate about that. Leaving it to administration to deal with any public outcry would have served the purpose good enough.

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  • http://google sarita shinde

    I read the opinion of one student and agree with her. As Ms. Prachi Pingle express her views in sunday loksatta marathi news paper Dtd. 24/10/2010. I also think if the book gives us the various dimentions towards our life. Why we miss such type of book which tought u how to live. Every book make one person. The aurthor of the book express his won views in this book. and every author has his own right what he think he express. and such right given him by our politicle policies. This is readers choice what he get from that. And how he think on the views of authour. He go through it or not

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  • http://tradersutra.com. h.mani

    There are very few things the Republic holds dear.India,Indians and GOI always look for easy way out.Path of least resistance,smart and academic will not indulge in riots and act on vandalism so screw them.What can Mr Mistry and Mr Rushdie are not violent so screw them.There is no higher ideals,We can alway muddle through any sticky situation,call west names and then move on.This has been our M.O. for 63 years,nothing is likely to change,we and people have accepted ,this the way ,things are going to be.Poverty,corruption,non accountability ,cricket,the Bollywood and some form of congress rule and some guy Gandhi or woman in power in Delhi.The Rot has set in it is now concrete,add to this lawness and ,apathy,mr Singavi will raise some issue on Sunday,nothing changes,it is really depressing almost despair at the way the Republic caravan keep marching.SAD.

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  • gowhar fazili

    Why did you write that silly article defending sedition charges against arundhati then. Either somone else writes your blog or it is a sure sign of schizophrenia.

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  • Wg Cdr Thomas Walker

    Everyone has Individual Rights but only the Majority opinion counts in Democracy. To that extent trying to explain one’s point of view should be tolerated but Sedition and thought of further fragmentation takes us back to Partition days. In fact the Majority People of India and Pakistan put together may want partition to be undone but who cares for that Majority Opinion ? People think of fragmentation only for selfish motives [such as becoming a majority in the fragmented space]. Like the Majority disposition changed within Pakistan after Partition.We must make all our Citizens feel and enjoy the status of being Indian ! Irrespective of diversities. A true mark of a great Democracy is avoiding avoidable Communal disharmony and disasters. Such as Displacing Kashmiri Pandits, Anti-Sikh Riots, Gujarat Riots, Kandhamal Victimization are blots on Indian Democracy. If all the fallouts of these carnages are adequately compensated we can head towards a better Society and Democracy !!

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  • Dronacharya

    RSS is bent on destroying THE IDEA OF INDIA., Eclectic Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma., and replace it with retrograde ideas and BARBARISM in the name of Hindutva. Crime in the name of religion… murder and rape… has become polity. POLICE TUMHARE SAATH HAI – ENJOY ! Is the message they are sending out to the Youth. This must be resisted at all cost. It is a Dharma Yuddha now…

    YEH HAI RSS KI MAANSIKTA (mindset). YEH HAI RSS KAA ASLI GHIN-AUNA CHEHRA. ISKO TO EXPOSE KARNA HAI… poori shakti ke saath. Real assault is not on Muslims… it is on the Constitution of the Republic of India. They want to replace Gandhi with Savarkar., Nehru with Golwalkar., Constitution of India with “Bunch of Letters by Golwalkar”. They want to change the SYSTEM by wrecking it from “within” and without. The battle is two-fold. On the political front., BJP assaults the Constitution of India frontally. On the bureaucratic front (IAS/IPS/Allied Services, Army, CRPF, BSF, and now even Judiciary)., slowly but surely it has got “Saffronised”). Afterall its 80-years of hard work and dedication by RSS have borne fruit. The hate-factories., the schools run by RSS provide the fodder. As kids grow up on hatred for the “other”., and occupy positions., to that extent… the country is RSS-ised. India is hugely RSS-ised as of this moment… and it would need a Dharma Yuddha… to save Sanatana Dharma and eclectic Hinduism from the criminals of Hindutva.

    Afterall we cannot allow our youth to become rapists and killers in the name of “Hindutva” and majoritiarian nationalism. It is as much a battle to save the IDEA of India., Eclectic Hinduism., Sanatana Dharma., and our kids. There is a huge provocation and the Hindus are a very evolved race., but BJP is encouraging our youth to rape and kill with impunity… Police tumhare saath hai… that is the message that is sent.

    We have to save India from becoming a Hindu Afghanistan. This is a Dharma Yuddha. I hope Hindus do not fall for cheap sloganeering…

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    vimal k chandan Reply:

    Dronacharya, your writing is not even a single reply worthy

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  • Sunil Chohan

    So you profess Freedom of Speech then you suck UP to all that are in power and with money and get their opinion and write an Interview? You bring disgrace to Gujarati community and cynical you are.
    You are NOT a true journalist and you have been SOLD and BOUGHT by our Politicians.

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  • sailah

    I love prateik.he so innocent.god bless him n gve him success ameen.xx

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