Let dissenters have their say



I grew up in the 60s and the 70s in a vaguely Lefty family. This was a time when the phrase ‘the ugly American’ was in common use, when the US was involved in unpopular exercises of its power (in Vietnam, for instance) and when the CIA was actively interfering in Indian politics (just because we exaggerated its influence, do not believe that the Agency was idle). For many Indians, the ultimate betrayal, not just of India but of humanity itself, was when Washington backed the genocidal regime of Yahya Khan against the aspirations of the Bengalis of East Pakistan. Clearly, all that mattered to Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger in 1971 was that Islamabad could be a useful ally. Genocide was a small irrelevance.

And yet, through it all, most educated Indians never lost their respect for the American way of life. Even though the Soviet Union was a better friend to New Delhi, few of us had any respect for the Russian system or the way in which it treated its citizens. One reason why we admired Washington was because of its tradition of freedom of speech.

Most of us opposed the war in Vietnam. But we were surprised to learn that within America, there were those who opposed their own country with much greater vigour. We heard popular singers attack the US military. We saw Country Joe McDonald give his government the finger in the Woodstock movie. We read about Jane Fonda’s trip to Vietnam, where she openly backed the North Vietnamese army against her own country’s forces. We admired the freedom of Americans to abuse such Presidents as Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. And our respect for the American media sky-rocketed when the New York Times first exposed the massacre of Vietnamese civilians by the US army at My Lai and then printed secret government documents to show how successive US administrations had lied to their people about the country’s role in Vietnam.

Even though we did not approve of America’s foreign policy or the way in which it spread its influence all over the globe, we had to concede: this was a free society that tolerated dissent.

I mention the American parallel because, in recent weeks, I have been perturbed by an increasing tide of intolerance within India. It is no secret that our country faces crises that require firm action. It is as clear that this action will inevitably lead to the deaths of many of our own people.

In the circumstances, it is entirely fitting – and perhaps even necessary – that we should debate the wisdom of government action thoroughly. This debate will throw up voices that seem far removed from the national mainstream. Even as the country is discussing military action against the Maoists, there will be those who argue that the rebels have the right to fight an oppressive state. There will also be those who claim that India’s occupation of Kashmir is illegal and immoral. Further, they will assert that this occupation is sustained only by murdering civilians and denying them their human rights.

Many of us will disagree profoundly with these views. Some of us will find them deeply offensive. We will argue that the people who make such statements do not know what they are talking about. In our anger, we may call them traitors and accuse them of sapping the nation’s will to fight threats to its integrity.

None of this is surprising. When such radical views that attack a mainstream national consensus are propounded, they are certain to draw forth strong reactions from the majority. What’s more, many of us will believe that these views are illogical, one-sided and based on nothing more than misguided emotion.

The problem arises when we go beyond public indignation. If Arundhati Roy believes that the Indian state is oppressing its people, then she has a perfect right to hold this opinion just as you and I have the right to argue that she is being silly. That’s the essence of debate and of dissent.

But when the government begins to frown on such dissent, then it is time to get worried. There is something wrong with the home ministry if it seems obsessed with the views of human rights activists. There is something worrying about the BJP if its leaders and spokesmen want those who question the role of the security forces to be arrested. The truth is that Arundhati Roy has as much right to her opinions as P Chidambaram or Ravi Shankar Prasad. That right flows from their status as citizens of India. And in this regard at least, all three are equal.

The intolerance is now being reflected in the pronouncements of television anchors and of journalists. I do not agree with people who believe that the Parliament attack was a conspiracy hatched by the dark forces of the Indian state itself. I do not agree that the Maoists have a moral right to conduct their insurgency. I do not believe that the 26/11 Bombay attack was a reflection of India’s mistreatment of its Muslim minority. I do not believe that the Kashmiris face a reign of terror.

But I do believe that anyone who disagrees with me on any of these issues has every right to be heard.

One reason why America is the world’s greatest democracy is because dissent has always broken through. Public opinion has shifted on such issues as the Vietnam war (from strongly for to strongly against) only because the dissenters have been granted the right to be heard. There were many in America who said that it was treason to oppose your own country’s army at a time when soldiers were being killed by the enemy (which is certainly the view we would take in India even today) but because America did not stifle the dissent it has emerged as a stronger nation from the crises of the 60s and the 70s.

India is on the verge of becoming a major power. We have nothing to be insecure about and much to take pride in. We may be annoyed – angered even – by the dissenters. But there is no harm in letting them have their say. It is their dissent that makes Indian democracy seem vibrant and strong.

Stifle that dissent, confuse criticism with treason and blame critics for the government’s own failure and suddenly, we will begin to seem like every other tin-pot dictatorship. We are already the world’s largest democracy. Now, let’s try and keep pace with the greatest.

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  • A.M.FAZIL

    Sir,I agree with you. You think in the perfect way a true Indian should be thinking. For the sake of our nation’s development,we have to give up all our false prides and we have to discard all our differences in opinions. The majority of the people of India are good;then why should we let the minority to dictate our thoughts,deeds and our dreams?

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    /din Reply:

    vwhy should we let the minority to dictate our thoughts,deeds and our dreams?

    Vir Sanghavi, in your enthusiasm for dissenters you forget national will.you also forget that a minority however vocal is a minoroty.
    It cannot dictate and hold the nation or majority in thrall in the name of democracy and dissent.The majoroty has the right to call a spade a spade.and BJP has the right to call you a pseudo and Congress an appeaser.
    Jai Ho Vir

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  • Dingbat

    Sir,
    Where do you draw the line? At what point does dissent turn into sedition banned under the IPC?

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    Chirag Patel Reply:

    Sedition is when you betray the country for e.g work as a spy for Pakistan, shelter terrorists.That is sedition

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    Pavan Reply:

    IPC was drafted by British to crush and supress Indians. Don’t quote outdated IPC here. Many of our freedom fighter were charged with Sedition during freedom struggle. Get real. Why don’t you see that the real problem is corruption and refusal to understand the plight of tribals. I am no fan of Naxals who are blowing up trains and killing innnocent people but still think we should not send Indian army to crush and kill its own citizens under the garb of restoring peace and order. There is got be a democratic way to deal with this situation.
    Pavan

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  • nupur

    absolutely agree with you – amazingly clear piece of writing from you……………

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  • Gyan

    Vir Babu, Does it matter to you that those views are constitutionally aligned or not. There is option to agree or disagree but shouldn’t your view first agree to constitution and law of the country. As you expect I disagree with your opinion as it is only half truth and a failure to understand the core of the issue.

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    Mohit Reply:

    Amendments to the constitution exist precisely for times when the constitution proves inadequate for the needs of the people. We are not meant to be slaves to a document written many years ago.

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Amend any inadequacy, imperfection, deficiency in the constitution. But, would you agree to throw the constituion out lock stock and barrel, as the Maoists want and fight for? It is really very simplistic to believe that the maoists are dissenters and are willing to discuss their “dissent” in a democratic way. No. Maoism is the very negation of democracy, rule of law and constituional system.

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    Ravi Jain Reply:

    Gyan, that’s the beauty and power of freedom of speech. We all have the right to disagree with the constitution and the law of the land. I can not act against these without facing penalty, but I can hold opposing views and express them freely.

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    Gyan Reply:

    You know beauty of our constitution; you can constitutionally disagree with our constitution.

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    Prasoon Choudhary Reply:

    if we always agree to constitution and law of the country all the time then where is the need to modify the law ever. We bring new law or amend the existing one because we do not agree with it. So there is nothing wrong to question any thing, this includes constitution of India as well as wisdom prescribed in religious books like Vedas and Korans. We must be a progressive society and not as static once frozen in time.

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    Gyan Reply:

    Our Constitution is flexible enough that you can legally amend it within its framework. But there are some part of constitution you can’t amend it, you have to agree if you are Indian citizen. Your freedom to speech derived from there. In the name of freedom to speech you can’t challenge core value of constitution. In simple words, to avail the facility of freedom of speech you have to agree to constitution and work within constitutional framework.

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    Prasoon Choudhary Reply:

    You first said “shouldn’t your view first agree to constitution and law of the country”. It sound totalitarianism. I do not agree that we should not question even the fundamental core values. Our constitution says that we have inspire to be socialist. But now we know that socialism is a failed ideology. Similarly we many country like Pakistan, Islam is the core ideology of Constitution, does that mean people should completely agree with it to be a good citizen and never try to become secular democracy. I think people should force change based on the progressive ideas prevailing in their time and every thing should be open to argument and disagreement. I believe in freedom of speech not because it is part of or constitution but because I like the concept and there is good logic to like it as pointed by Vir. In fact the way freedom is speech is defined in constitution of India is not enough for me I want it to go as far as we find in constitution of European union countries.

  • Atul

    You missed out the Revolutionary Muslims that are allowed to freely ‘preach sedation’ on the streets of NY because of their right to freedom of speech.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5sfBrhYWCw&feature=related

    India is light years away in terms of true freedoms, Armed Forces Spl. Area Act, Binayak Sen …………..
    We are essentially still run like a colony.

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  • Irfan

    India was not interested in the welfare of Bengali people, It was only interested in the break up of Pakistan !

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    Kunal Reply:

    Which was a good thing. Pakistan on both sides is not a good strategical position to be in. But just because it was one of the reasons, doesn’t mean we were not interested in the welfare of the Bengali people.

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  • Bharath

    Well, Vir…. It is not uncommon to write articles portraying America as a splendid example. You make your point which I agree to a large extent; however I insist, that we compare apples to apples alone. In India, freedom of speech is curtailed by a very subtle social situation that people fail to understand. I cannot write that subtle situation in this note, however would like to make some pointers towards it.
    I have always felt that ’security’ of life and property is very less in India. I’ve lived here in the US for 10 years – no cop or govt official ever asked bribe to me. I am afraid of none and can go and talk about even the President of USA or write about him – I don’t have to worry that some one will attack me when I come back home from work or that some group will come home and threaten my wife and kids. In India due to illeteracy, people have been hurt badly and prevented from expression their views openly. Illeteracy has caused caste based politicians, who with the help of goondas to rule country in a subtly inconspicous way. I know umpty times tamil news paper offices have been hit and burnt when they talked about some ruling parties…. In America, every one almost (330+ million) are gun owners. Situation is different, environment is different… Lord knows when things will chagne.

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  • piara singh aujla

    SIR
    Vietnam was out-side of America, but naxalite problem is inside India. Just remember as what
    had happened to David Khurash.Naxalite have a right to protest peacefully,but not keep on killing
    innocent people.Whose human-right are we talking about,innocent civilian or a bunch off tarorists.
    They should be given a taste of their own medicine.
    Thanks P.S.Aujla

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    Arunabh Chatterjee Reply:

    Read Tehelka.com and you will learn why tribals are not happy.

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  • http://aol.com Dr.Maharaj K Razdan,MD.

    Bravo,Well written,If we are to be a major power,We need dissenters.And they do not have to face what TEHELKA faced at the hands of BJP.

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    Drishta Reply:

    US has not witnessed the violence and insurgency on its soil. One 9/11 attack changed its attitude totally towards ‘us and them’. Roy has declared herself as an independent state and does not believe in Constitution. So what should be the debating common ground ?

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    Mitra Reply:

    Excellent! I agree with what you said substantively, but you also said it rather well! Keep it up!

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    B.V.SHENOY Reply:

    Bravo, Razdan! you may also agree that the pandits were driven out by the Kashmiri muslims out of dissent, because, like the tribals and Maoists, they too believe that the whole of Kashmir belongs to them and the Hindus are interlopers, hangers on and unwanted beggars spoiling the lunch party.

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    Arunabh Chatterjee Reply:

    Well said Dr. Razdan

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  • vivek

    “The truth is that Arundhati Roy has as much right to her opinions as P Chidambaram or Ravi Shankar Prasad. That right flows from their status as citizens of India.”

    Their status as citizens of India is what grants them this right in the first place.And their status as citizen of this country entails that they should respect the country and its constitution.
    Something that americans should learn do as well; starting by reading their constitution.Not recommended for us, of course.

    “There were many in America who said that it was treason to oppose your own country’s army at a time when soldiers were being killed by the enemy”

    It is/should be treason to support your enemy at a time when your country’s men are dying against them.Question the validity of war, but don’t support your enemy against your own.

    ” (which is certainly the view we would take in India even today) but because America did not stifle the dissent it has emerged as a stronger nation from the crises of the 60s and the 70s.”

    America is the land of PC, they have their own “stiflers”, race issue one, equality of sexes another.They threw out a Harvard president for making “sexist” comments after getting an apology for him.Who knows how many from lower rungs got the boot.
    Racism,sexism,feminism are some of the by-products reeking out from a morally bankrupt society that is USA and flowing into our system because of concerted efforts of agencies such as UN and because we are so quick to ape western values in order to look progressive.
    Hopefully USA will degrade into a sordid mess before we instill their stupidity into our country and we might seek out a better view from some other society, probably Chinese.

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  • AP

    The problem is that the diseenter has too much say in media. When Arundhati says something, its all over media. The governement will rather let people die so that the Maoist have their say. Terrorists will misuse the legal process and avoid dath so that likes of Me. Singhavi have their say. Thosands of soldiers will lay their lives without a single monument so that western and pakistani and chinese sympathissers have their say, Mr. Singhavi is quick to quote USA and its tolerance for debate,,,but has he seen how on CNN every soldier who dies in Iraq or Afghanistan gets a special recognition. Our NDTVs and Cnn-IBNs rather go on airing few encounters where terroists die in suspicious situation.

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  • Shadi Katyal

    It is funny to read this since your own paper doenot allow any ideas where the writer might condmn not only present govt but even past deeds of our leaders,l
    How can your paper justify such CENSOR when the most obscene words are allowed to be printed
    I have felt at times that we are still in Indira Gandhi regime and scared stiff to let people express their opinions.
    Let us hear from Editor and managment for such Censor

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  • Shadi Katyal

    Well here is the freedom of press and you talk of let dissenters have your way. My letter has been marked with YOUR COMMENTS IS WAITING MODERATION.
    So what have you to say.
    I feel that we talk of constitution which doesnot work and like the British rule of colonialism we have not changed .
    Sor please dont make fool of people. the truth is that we still have same Censors as during Britisah or Emergency.

    can your Mr. sanghvi explain that

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  • Arunabh Chatterjee

    This is an understatement of what Mr. Sanghvi is saying. How can we be better human being if we force poor tribals to leave their homes because of our greed driven consumerist lifestyle following the same USA you are talking about.

    By the way, there is no other more evil nation than USA on this planet. They are the root of majority of the problems world is facing now, in addition to Britain and western Europe. USA is a malevolent country where in the name of democracy, elites and large corporations are taking whole world for a ride.

    To Mr. Sanghvi, USA is a bad example of democracy and excellent example of how few corrupt elites and large corporations could hijack the public opinion using corporate controlled media and dictate other (benevolent) nations using their nuclear power.

    To Mr. Sanghvi again, New York Times never publishes Noam Chomsky or Micheal Moore, or very rarely. Like H.T. will never interview Arundhati Roy or Vandana Shiva , as H.T. is a corporate controlled biased media.

    But you all elitist people don’t do enough to use your power for the benevolence of the society. You like staying within your select few group and control the masses. Sincerity and honesty is lacking. You are in best position to be honest and follow your heart, like Mahatma Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr. did. Live to help the vulnerable.

    Have that courage ?

    ARUNABH CHATTERJEE, VANCOUVER, CANADA

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    shan Reply:

    @Arunabh , nirad chaudhuri has explained this long ago, there is no concept of charity and kindness in hinduism , where bramhins treated fellow human beings(dalits) as sub human beings, till vivekananda introduced these concepts to the hindu society.

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  • AP

    The problem is that the dissenters have too much say in media. When Arundhati says something, its all over media. The governement will rather let people die so that the Maoist and their symphatisers have their say. Terrorists will misuse the legal process and avoid death so that friends of Mr. Singhavi have their say. Thosands of soldiers will lay their lives without a single monument so that Western, Pakistani and Chinese sympathisers have their say, Mr. Singhavi is quick to quote USA and its tolerance for debate,,,but has he seen how on CNN every soldier who dies in Iraq or Afghanistan gets a special recognition. Our NDTVs and Cnn-IBNs rather go on airing few encounters where a few civilians die in crossfire..

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  • Dr.G.Srinivasan

    We are already the world’s largest democracy. Now, let’s try and keep pace with the greatest.
    This is where I have a fundamental fact India at first is not a democracy. India is at best a feudalism under the garb of democracy.We have a constitution which was imposed on us.If the framers were mature enough and also the citizens India would have asked its citizens the question whether they wanted democracy at all and if so whether they wanted a parliamentary form of democracy and that too a socialist form .There were all the flaws with which we began . The so called democracy grew into a huge corrupt polity a monster which some people jokingly refer to a DEMONOCRACY.Apart from voting the ordinary people do not have a say in the running of the nation even in important matters concerning the state.Illiterates and people with half baked knowledge started ruling on us and continue to do so.
    About the three or four wings of democracy the less said the better. The early years saw Nehru running roughshod over the opposition. The middle years saw Indira and Rajiv Gandhi doing the same . The legislature , the executive and the judiciary were all brought under the PM and later on under the AICC chairperson who does not have more than probably a university degree !!!!! The less said about the judiciary the better. They have increasing backlog of cases at some point it will even surpass the actual population in numbers.
    An imposed democracy by 300 MPs on 300 million a representative assent to the constitution even before the parliamentary system was given ascent cannot be termed a democracy.To this day no referendums were conducted which is the norm in all healthy democracies. People are not allowed to play active part in the nations affairs which would be real politics

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  • man singh

    i dont like plastic and i dont like pseudo maoist murderation, i am scared of nuclear waste and dependance on american uraniums (give thorium a chance) also i dont like mistreatment of womens and untouchability or class war let alone coca cola . Please i like mango’s and samosas. But as i am unmarried i will tollerate diesel and goondas untill i have my .410 revolver and then i will be king of my mangalorean tiled mango house in chandrikaland as i have planned all my life. If i get a bmw m5 i will drive me and my wife 2 be to the sea and drink chai will you come with me? we can have a party even the maoists thakus and goondas can come if they give up there guns, lighten up have some fun tar balls are for everyone!from the gulf of mexico to the arabian sea drink some petrol on me:).

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  • Vasant

    Bravo Vir,
    Democracy means that different voices need to be heard-we look like we are headind into the Emergency era.
    Vasant

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  • desibabu

    dissent what ? do indias votes sellers care about india at all ? fasle dalits false obcs false religious fanatics false sonia congress false mr clean mmsingh- mac mac sing- false rahul yuva leaders- who really cares about informed comment rational dissent ? most indians are severly shortsighted unable to look beyong their own dirty noses.. and vir sanghvi must be a dreamer.

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  • Santokh Singh Sahi

    I appreciate the candid expression of views of the author. However I wish to add my own views, after having lived, worked, researched the systems, especially legal system of both the great and largest democracies of the world. A country’s real wealth is its people; its resources, natural and man made;its culture;its family make up; its education system;its legislative system;its executive system;its judicial system and above all accountable and ethical administrative system. In USA, universities are autonomous. A space is marked in the university campus, in which any one can express his views freely, openly, even criticise any one.No action can be taken against him.Do we have such system in India?Do we need such system in India?USA has a Constitution that runs into few pages and very few amendments have been made.Look to Indian Constitution and its present size.The framers of the Constitution worked hard and read all Constitutions written as well as unwritten and adopted ‘cut and paste’ policy.Every country has laws of its own to regulate the affairs of the Society to be civil and remain civil. We adopted this Constitution in 1950, but still are governed by the old indian Penal Code;Indian Criminal Code and Indian Evidence Act and many other acts enacted by the then British rulers.How can you enforce ‘Right of freedom of expression’ when Police still has the right to arrest any one, any time, any place and even without any evidence? How can the All India Services be accountable to the States?Do really India is a union of States?Is not union legislature, exeutive and judiciary all powerful? This is one of the reason for internal disturbances. How can the States perform, without authority?Again in USA, Chief executive, President of USA and Governor of State are directly elected by the people and are answerable to the people. In nut shell we need to build up public opinion to make entire administration accountable to the people. CAN WE DO IT? ARE WE PREPARED TO ACT?DO WE WANT RULE OF LAW FOR AAM ADMI? CAN ARREAR FREE JUDICIAL INSTITUTION BECOME A REALITY?

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  • harshvardhan

    Dear Mr. Sanghvi,
    I vehemently support your opinion. Especially your last 3 sentences are the crux of the present indian style of thinking. We need to know every aspect. From the childhood days, we have been taught in our school- every coin has two sides. Let everyone see these two sides and then form her/his opinion. Our society is increasingly becoming important which is a definite cause of worry but more worrisome for me is the fact that a majority of media persons are also acting in the same way. The media should be the torch bearer of society. Lets hope sense prevails.

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  • shailesh

    another useless article from a Desi American.

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    Sena Chief Reply:

    are you stupid?

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    Abhi Reply:

    And another useless post from a useless bloke. You don’t like it? Then don’t show your stupidity by posting a comment on it.

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  • shailesh

    why r u still calling Mumbai as Bombay, u idiot?

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    lewis Reply:

    Shailesh, it is a miracle that duds like you are still around in this century.

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    Jagdish Reply:

    Lets say one thing, that in America people were not able to stop wars. They can say what they want, but they could stop the invasion of Iraq, which is totally a wrong war. In fact this war had no reason to happen. In fact Saddam Hussein was better for regional security than the Islamic hard core people that will now take over. Maoists in India have to be stopped, if they were blowing things up in America, they would be found and attacked who ever survived would be put on trial and eliminated. India is not acting like America here. If America had Pakistan as a bordering country, Pakistan would have been dismantled years ago.

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    Gunda Reply:

    Haha, good one. This reminds me of the brown sahibs insisting of writing Kanpur as Cawnpore years after the British had left!

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    Abhi Reply:

    Look look, the internet Raj Thakeray! So now what are you going to do? Take print outs of all of Vir’s blogs and burn them outside on your street? Feel free to, that’s all you can do.

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  • Mohammed S. Majeed

    Speaking of US freedom of expression; wonder if Mr. Vir Sanghvi have heard of the word “embedded journalism”.

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  • Prasoon Choudhary

    Good one Vir. I am totally with you on this one. I like your post when you write as Vir Sanghvi and not as Vir Congressvi.

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  • Sham Sher

    America is not as free as the article here implies. No wars have come to an end because of popular opinion.

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  • Bala Varadarajan

    Vir, a good article. However in painting America allowing free speech in all circumstances, you are greatly mistaken. It is one thing to condemn American action in Iraq or Vietnam but if any popular American (with a similar status to that enjoyed by Arundati Roy in India) were to announce that the attck on the World Trade Centre is totally justified, that person would have been hounded down. Americans are extremely patriotic and they certainly would not allow any voice which would justify a barbaric act on their own soil. Neither should we.

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  • Pakorachai

    Left has always been a hindrance to development all over the world. It suppresses the dissent and free will. Not that full blown capitalism is answer to the ills of the world, but left is certainly not. Any society which suppresses dissent is doomed to failure. US despite its decrepit ideals about the free world, has prospered simply because of robust regard for freedom and rights to liberty. India, can only dream to achieve it, till it really allows its citizens the rights enshrined in the constitution. The rights enjoyed by its citizens are caricature to those which were thought about by our founding fathers. As regards becoming a world power, how can we even think about it. We cant even tackle the rampant corruption, Maoists and reform our security forces?

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  • Anand Srivastava

    Very well said. Dissenters are also Indians. If we argue and debate with the underlying premise that people from both camps mean well for India, the acrimony may be avoided. We have to trust that the other person also wants to contribute positively in the nation building process.

    I loved the piece.

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  • Garish

    India is not about to become a super power but a failed state. Has the most number of people under poverty level, leads the world in illiteracy, female foeticide, maternal deaths, caste system, Maoist and Islamic terror, corruption…and now according to you censorship

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  • aneel

    great article………..as always

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  • KHORANA

    What rubbish..VIR SANGHVI is allways at his best & has got a point to prove. I am one of his admirer. I am settled in U.S after being in INDIA for 60 years. I wait for his article in sunday. H.T.
    Moreover he may not be right , whenever hehas a point to say.But his views & writing is extra oridinary.
    India becoming a super power, is really nice to hear but practically it is too difficult, the way our POLITICIANS are behaving INDIANS are for sale on religion / castism / poverty./black marketing etc etc. We will be living in foolls paradise.
    As long as every body gets RJI & ROTI & proper education.see the difference in HOCKY PLAYERS & CRICKET players.
    So wish all the best & see INDIA PROSPEROUS….to atlest do good in this present world.

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  • vin

    Vir, after reading your article, I was wondering if Senator Joseph McCarthy got elected from Chalakudi, Kerala rather than Wisconsin..

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    Arunabh Chatterjee Reply:

    good one

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  • Mina Anand

    I entirely agree that we are becoming an intolerant society. But what surprises me is that supposedly impartial TV anchors and journalists have a fixed narrow mindset – specially when it comes to debates with ‘Maoist Sympathisers”. These ‘anchored’ minds have already jumped to the conclusion that the ’sympathisers’ condone the Maoist violence. Any commonsensical mind would realise that those who support the original Maoist cause (that of fighting State oppression), certainly would not hold with the extremist anti-social condemnable unlawful terrorist path of the Maoists.

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  • Francis Adams

    Leave aside the misguided and high-volume vitriol against this article, “Let Dissenters Have Their Say” must be circulated among organisations, public and private, and made a benchmark for all, including media organisations and their newsrooms.

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  • Jai71

    Vir,

    Agree with most of what you say – but you are missing a point.

    A key difference between America & the India of today: Media.

    There is enough being exposed / written / said about the corruption in today’s government – yes, the UPA (I & II) government. Which parts have you carried??
    Do read this – (i suspect you already have)
    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/05/31/stories/2010053150300900.htm

    You & many of your peers are quite happy to act as the PROs of Congress – for whatever reasons.

    Good luck to India!
    Jai

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  • Anil

    Why didn;t u shout when Bhasin’s book islam a political idoelogy for world domination was banned..

    why likes of u are absent in that debate…..

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    mayamani Reply:

    let us see, ur alterego ndtv barkha was criticizng facebook european author .
    and she sent an individual blogger kunte a legal notice after 26-11 for his criticism….what did u do? …u never said anything and instead criticized her critics like kunte and admiral mehta.

    and how do u square ur position on the fatwa on working women ….instead of letting dissenters like tasleema speak…u deferred to the convenient position of syeda hameed who blamed the media but did not dissent against the fatwa……and u dismissed the fatwa along with her as if nothing had happened..too many contradictions sir…….what about bhasin book,da vinci code,aurangzeb exhibition…..all banned by ur congreess..and now u speak about usa where phone taps are a crime…..and u were defending that just days ago…….nixon was impeached…

    very convenient…the consistent pattern is that u will always side with congress,islamists and secualrists lik ur partner ndtv ……so cut this hypocrisy about right to dissent when u r quiet on the sonia book ……….

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  • prashant saxena

    Democracy and liberty are impossible if dissent is not tolerated.
    But national security and outside threats need to be met with a united voice, there is no room for dissent when India is attacked and Indians are killed.
    In the US, people have varied opinions, and very strong ones, but no one voices them when American soldiers are in harms way.

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  • Praveen Saxena

    So let us all stand up Freedom of Speech and raise our voice against the harrassment of the Italian writer who has written ” The Red Sari ‘ , at the hands of Abhishek Singhvi and the Congress Party and allow that book to be published in India.
    When Hussain can be defended for painting Hindu Goddesses and BharatMata , in any manner he likes , the Congress Party claims to be a great defender of secularism , Liberty, etc etc but hits with vengeance at Taslima Nasreen or does not hesitate to bamboozle the producer of and forcing pre- censorship of ” Rajneeti”

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  • http://uday-agnihotri.blogspot.com Uday Agnihotri

    Obama can say that India figures in USA’s strategic scheme of things. Obviously, he must take us for granted or wuss. Our Pm and External Affairs Minister were there just kowtowing Obama’s line or what? (STRATEGIS DIALOGUE Talks with Pakistan…HT June 4, 2010) Have we lost all what we had, say, during Indira Gandhi’s time. Mr. Manmohan, if there are no guts there won’t be any glory! Be a hard bargainer with Yankees, like China is. No point just buying American lies. Tell them if we get hold of Pak terrorists in Kashmir or anywhere in India for that matter, we will take it to the logical conclusion, we’ll bomb their terrorist camps in PoK overtly or covertly. But we must iterate it as it is in front of American public to warn Pak and talk about and expose its illicit designs against India. That will also put a stopper on Obama. He must be told in no uncertain terms that we are not any banana republic. We have our own will and our resolve to teach terrorists a lesson!

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  • Hemant Kapre

    Courageous article Vir…..you are carrying on the rich tradition of Voltaire (or was it Rousseau ?). What baffles me though is – why haven’t you responded to any of the comments above ? After all, a blog is supposed to be interactive isn’t it ?

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  • http://thebackbenchers.in Aditya

    Sir,

    I totally agree with your views. But I don’t think the question is mainly about the integrity of people like Arundhati Roy as much as it is about the intellectual dishonesty? Arundhati has, on numerous occasions, used fall statistics, fallacious arguments, construed evidences to prove her point. And that’s where I think there’s a serious problem. While we shouldn’t discourage debate we should also keep in mind that malicious efforts directed with a single-most aim of misguiding people in order to develop hate and prejudice in the people?

    Debate in itself is a very good idea but for some it’s a tool for propagation and that is dangerous. Obviously, that doesn’t mean that we crush the offenders, so to say, but we need an equally potent other side that can argue on intellectual front. There the problem is of the lack of people committing themselves to such a task, from the other side. There are various reasons for this lack of people which could sound very offensive to the left-wing liberals but given the constraint that the policy-makers face, and the unequal distribution of the ideological spectrum of the people having the time, energy and motivation to participate in such debates should the govt. actually give a free hand to the likes of Roy?

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  • Syed

    Excellent piece. I like to add few more words. Indian political system is just like a fish market. Unless you bargain, you don’t get your legitimate share. The government wakes up from its deep slumber when people take up arms to press for their constitutional demand. Then, the government wants to hold talks with the groups or sign peace accord with them. The problem is the bureaucrats in Delhi think that Delhi is India and India is Delhi. They cannot think beyond Delhi.Their concept of Indian mainstream is Hindi, Hindu and Hindustani,and they disregard the country’s diversity. Many educated people in Delhi have no clue about the uniqueness of tribals, who are the real sons of the soil, either in the Northeast or elsewhere in the country. Many believe that people in the Northeat live on the top of tress. Let us first know each other well and learn to respect the country’s excellent cultural and religious diversity. Then, many such unwanted problems will be resolved in their own pace.

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  • Ziauddin Shafi

    One can blame Pervez Musharraf of a number of things but one has to give the devil his due – he allowed the **** media to say and print just about anything, for or against the government. There are sedetious people over there too and as are those who cry foul whenever there is questioning of the government’s action or inaction. and all of this freedom and right to dissent was exercised by its media while Pakistan remained a military state.
    This comes out of the belief that, regardless of a few spies that may exist amongst the dissenters, they are after all citizens of the country and, with all their limited access to information and resultant half-baked ideas sometimes, there is no need to accuse them, blame them of being unpatriotic or of being anti national. Maoism and their strategy is violent and wrong; but unless we address the root cause of the trouble, we would be committing the same crime that the Conquistadors had done in the Americas. We used brutal force in Kashmir to quell unrest, while there was a terrible need for development too – as it is in Northern AP/Chattisgarh/Orissa/Jharkhand. However, the Kashmiri lives were not granted this much of respect – may be due to political considerations, for if a Kashmiri is killed nobody loses a vote in the mainland; But if tribals are killed in central India, there are many who would lose vote and face too. A big reason for not employing army against the Maoists is that they do not share border with Pakistan or China. Therefore the carrot and stick policy should work here hopefully.

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    Sam Reply:

    wow..
    another muslim who looks everything through the prism of islam..
    every issues has to be analyzed through the green glasses of an arab religion..

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  • sunit

    When you hold the premise that Ms A is in her right to hold an opinion, you assume that it is in the form of propositions which can be logically connected to produce an argument. because after all arguments are made to convince someone about something. There are often many fallacies in a convincing looking argument. Let us take the `opinion` that `Indian state is oppressing its people`. Except for the word Indian, every other word means more than one thing. When you hold a strong conviction based on an ill defined statement, it does worry certain persons. Now this worry is not always malicious though you may consider all the dissent as opposition. However, when learned people appear to harbour strong convictions on personal opinions, it must be worrying for people like you too!
    When a state should interfere in the affairs of its people, it should be in the larger interest of its `people`. Here, I use the world people as the law abiding, peace loving hard working and forward looking citizens – the people that take the democracy like US of A to greatness. It is true that a large swash of land has been left untouched with development. Let us talk about how to now allow the development to reach the land through personal political ambitions of the few maoist leaders and the many ideologues who follow them.

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  • Pratyush

    Dear Vir,

    I have just read you piece on Dissent and that implication that it is being stifled in India. I as an thinking individual have two different thoughts on this matter.

    1.Right to expression is a fundamental right. Meaning we as Indian citizens have the right to espouse and express causes and opinions which we feel are close to us. No one can take this away from us if we do so following the provisions of the Indian constitution. As the objective it to improve the way the state & civil society functions.

    2.The second comes as an extension of the first. Any criticism of the Indian constitution and the Indian state is acceptable if the same is being done with a view to improve it. However, the moment the dissidents start espousing causes which seeks to over throw the Indian constitution through the force of arms, it, stops being a dissident movement and becomes a terrorist movement. The intellectual supporters of this movement by extension are not dissidents but terrorists and should be treated as such. The censure of such individuals should not be equated as a stifling of dissent by any one.

    Taking my points further, as a voter I voted for the NDA in the last two general elections. The UPA won both. If I was to follow the logic of many of the so called dissidents, then, I will be fully justified in taking up arms against the UPA in order to install the NDA in power, correct?

    Pratyush

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  • http://www.techcentral.in Kunal

    Brilliant article, and very thoughtful comments.

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