A stranger friend



Each time Kashmir is on the boil, my mind goes back to the eighties, when the problem had just begun. I don’t remember the year but Jagmohan had just taken over as Jammu and Kashmir Governor and I was assigned to go to Jammu and interview him on his perception on a state where trouble was brewing.

I reached Jammu only to be told that due to an emergency situation Mr Jagmohan had to fly to Srinagar and if I chose I could follow him there. Ofcourse I would, I said to myself and re-boarded the flight which had brought me from Delhi given that it was a hopping flight Delhi-Jammu-Srinagar with a 15 minute halt at Jammu: enough time for me to re-board. With the Governor’s office organizing things for me, I was not stuck with unnecessary formalities.

On board I had a middle aged gentleman sitting beside me. Minutes after we took off, he asked: Do you know how many people are there in this plane? Actually, I didn’t and at that point in time it didn’t matter. What did was the fact that I had a job to do and was on my way to do it. He continued: “Only two: you and I.”

Surprised at what he was saying I turned around to find an empty aircraft. Yes there were just the two of us: “Why” my co passenger continued “ are you travelling to jahanum?” (Hell). Well, I mumbled, it was for a story for my newspaper. He nodded his head in disbelief as if to say that where people were dying and there was blood on the streets all that we journalists could think of was a story.

The flight from Jammu to Srinagar took barely 20 minutes: less than the travelling time from Governor’s House to the Srinagar airport. Consequently when we reached the airport terminal there was no one to fetch me. All that I could see were armed men in khakhis. Outside there was one taxi: only one and that too whose driver was in a hurry to leave. My co-passenger spoke to him in Kashmiri and settled that he drive him to his destination. He then turned to me and said that it was unsafe for me to wait alone because once the taxi left I would have no means to go to the city which in any case was burning. Those not being the days of cell phones, I figured that once he left as did the solo taxi I would be stuck in case no one from the Governor’s house came to fetch me. I was only presuming that someone would but in absence of any communication from Mr Jagmohan I really was unsure. By then the gravity of the situation had begun to dawn on me.

I opted for the stranger, a Kashmiri gentleman who said he was a professor and was returning home because his family had made a panic call to him in Delhi given that the situation in Srinagar was volatile.

In any case he gave me little time to think because he was in a hurry to leave the ghost-like airport as also the taxi driver who understandably put his life above his daily earnings.
We hopped on and drove a few kilometres when we spotted 100-odd people shouting slogans and marching to I don’t know where. Some carried placards. The front-rankers were women, clad in phirens, the Kashmiri knee high gown which is loose and flowing. Fortunately for me I was also wearing a phiren, a dress I find very appropriate and snug for winter.

The driver stopped, ordered us out, threw our respective suitcases on the street, turned and sped away: “Mingle with the crowd” my stranger friend hushed.

“Pretend to be one of them. Don’t speak, just raise your hand when they shout slogans and cover your face.” I did as I was told because I sensed danger, the fear of being found out and lynched. So I quietly followed my friend’s sign language, his first diktat being that I rub off the bindi (vermillion) on my forehead. Understandable given that it distinguished me as a Hindu and a non Muslim among the majority of protesting Muslims. I did just that. The women walking beside me were too busy shouting slogans to notice that a stranger had crept in as part of their group seeking azadi (freedom). My phiren saved me.

I don’t know how many kilometres we walked but at one point my stranger friend swung me away, pushed me to a nearby bush and commanded that I stay still: not even breathe if I could help it. I sat there for I don’t know how long but it was till the sound of slogans receded. Suddenly I was pulled out, made to scale a wall and jump on to the other side, my stranger friend goading me to hurry up.

I don’t know where I was being led: to safety or to death. I dared not ask questions so I just did as I was told. Again I don’t know how long it took but it was sometime before we saw a row of houses and were pushed inside one: three women, who looked like Death let us in, all eyes on me. They hugged my stranger friend and sobbed inconsolably. They were his family and had, they told him in their native language, spent a long, torturous night to the sound of gun shots. Once again I did not know what was happening, a bit puzzled about whether I was on enemy turf. I was offered kahwa (kashmiri tea) which I sipped nervously. I didn’t know the plans my stranger friend had for me or how he intended to get me out of there, if at all he did. The women, however, were very comforting and told me how they had braved the gunshots, some being as close as in their garden, right outside the room where I sipped kahwa.

Theirs was a house with a telephone which was not working, like most phone lines in the area. There was, thus, no means to contact the Governor’s house and inform them of my whereabouts.

“Maybe they will find you because I left my address with the khakhi man” said my stranger friend, much to my relief. Sure enough they did though after several hours because entry into that area was not possible and they chose to be discreet lest they jeopardise my friend’s security.

It was late in the afternoon that I was bundled up in a car and whisked away. It was not an official vehicle lest it attracted attention. Enroute we were stopped by mobs and stone pelters who demanded the car be searched. At this point, my escort said: “Dactar, dactar” (Doctor,doctor). They peeped in and asked: “Dactar?”. I nodded and they allowed us to drive off. Relieved to reach Raj Bhawan, where I was staying as Mr Jagmohan’s guest, I sensed how bad the situation was. Srinagar then, where I spent a week, was a ghost town, very different from the time when the family spent the summer there.

There were no people, only security forces. Either there was curfew or firing. I managed to meet some young people, a handful who parroted rehearsed lines. Jagmohan was in those days a troubled man. Also one who was determined to crack the whip. Ofcourse there were political problems and issues which advocated a wait and watch policy against the shoot and kill one.

This, Jagmohan then forewarned, is just the beginning. Those in the thick of things goaded the government to nip the problem in the bud. But the Government opted for a policy of restraint. Politicians we spoke to often gave the Punjab example: “Punjab was burning” a minister once told me.

“Now it is all quiet and back to normal. The same will be the case in Kashmir”. When I drew his attention to the fact that they were two different situations he merely scoffed. He saw no logic in my argument that Punjab was ignited because of Mrs Indira Gandhi’s mistake of letting the army lay siege on the Golden Temple and thus irreparably alienate the Sikhs: our very own people. Unlike Kashmir where the natives were driven out and those across the border were infiltrating it and laying siege: neither our own people, neither native Kashmiris but those who are trained and paid by Pakistan to unleash terror.

Today the situation is undeniably out of control. It is pointless to blame one single source: the politicians, the state or the Centre. None can be absolved because they did not take hard decisions when time was ripe. It was a policy of procrastination which did them in. I am not, even for a moment, suggesting that people should have been gunned down indiscriminately but I am surely saying that timely decisions however hard would have been in order. Now it is a bit late to suggest solutions because the way things are we can only combat a divisive game-plan being masterminded in Pakistan. This brings me to my basic point: Deal firmly with a no holds barred situation with Pakistan and Kashmir will fall in place.

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  • Mohan Ramchandani

    I agree with you Ms. Kukum Chadha.
    : Deal firmly with a no holds barred situation with Pakistan and Kashmir will fall in place.

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    Naveen Kumar Reply:

    Thats the pity that you had to remove your bindi to save yourself. Imagine how Kashmiri Pandits and other hindus in J & K are going to live with these Islamic fanatics.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Still these seculars call concerned hindus COMMUNAL.

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    Sam Reply:

    Why is there no Facebook group to protest the atrocities committed by izlamic thugs drunk on islamism.
    those thugs hate hindus and secularism and everything India stands for..

    Rajeev Reply:

    Sam,
    Even Gandhi said ‘Muslims are bullys and hindus are coward’.

    We will be s*cr*ewed by muslims and muslim fearing hindus for centuries to come.

    Just look at the map of south asia and south east asia and look at past 1000 years of religous history..Hinduism has shrunk continuously from west and east. Now it is on verge of shrinking in India.

    I want hindus to suffer because they deserve to suffer..No one respects weakness that we hindus are master at.

    kumkum chadha Reply:

    Tx Mohan, I think so too.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    I guess you had taste of Kashmiri Secularism first hand when you wiped off your Bindi.

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  • mike vig

    OMG, you have more of suspense and less of substance in your miles long story.
    Kashmir has an ongoing problem from across the border. The goons on the other side are pros when it comes to creating terror. Until we bomb them right in their homes, they will not change. But we are led by weak men who are more worried about their own image than their own men and women. It’s simply pathetic how government after government fails us completely. The attack on parliament proved that until their own lives are at risk, they will do nothing to save ours.

    We have also allowed poverty taken over J&K for decades. Give them better life, not speeches and promises. They need jobs, infrastructure, roads, shelter from cold and assistance for the old. If their lives get better, they will have more reasons to defy the goons from the other side and feel at home.

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  • shan

    Kumkum ji, i hope barkha dutt with his kashmiri husband reading your article. You also are suffering from the same delusion, pakistan on its own cannot do anything, apart from 1% highly educated kashmiri , the rest 99% IS MUSLIM FIRST AND LAST, kashmiriat and all that bullshit is a canard. ASK YOURSELF WHY THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE PROTEST MOVEMENT AGAINST THE FOLLY OF AZADI. All the political parties are guilty and spineless cowards who have no real FORESIGHT TO SEE WHAT ABYSS THIS AZADI WILL LEAD TO. The bottom line is these people just dont like the idea of secularism , when you have the intoxicating potion of islam. In todays NDTV , barkha pleaded with one kashmiri to let her have the secret , as to what will it take to win the kashmiri geezers, it almost felt like she was suggesting we are even ready to sleep with you , please stay with India. One only longs for an Indira gandhi. Though IT IS IN INDIA’S INTEREST TO EXCISE THE VALLEY FROM THE BODY OF INDIA , IT HAS BECOME PUTRID, IT WILL ONLY CAUSE MORE PROBLEM FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. Also the massive drain of resources should be well utilised in providing YEAR ROUND FOOD FOR WORK TO HUNGRY REST OF INDIA.

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  • Arun Khrishnamurty

    They are a majority and it is their right. We are fooling our selves by blaming Pakistan. Then again we did the same in East Pakistan, don’t you thin Rajeev? Please don’t give me those self serving stories how we are not to be blamed for that and we are facing the same situation.

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    KD Reply:

    What are u talking about ? Its not about majority or minority. It is about India’s territorial integrity and the need to keep its enemies in check.

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    sandy Reply:

    If your view is taken into account then the country will have to be divided into thousands of pieces.
    In many places, one caste will be in majority and at another place a religion may be a dominant factor and on this basis go on dividing the country. Every caste/creed or religious majority would ask for a separate country. There will be no end. To keep the country integrated, tough decisions have to be taken. What is self rule demanded by the people in J&K? Do they not elect their ownGovt. When they cast their vote and free choose the representatives , it is self rule. Is it not? If they do not chose the proper Govt. it is their fault. The people of the State elect their representatives? It is for them to elect only those people whom they trust would solve their problem.

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    YES you are 100% correct . i can not understand why these muslim bruts donot ask these hard liners , soft liners and mufties ——-
    1 How much human flesh they want to eat
    2 How much human blood they want to drink for whisky and sleep in their posh bunglows nicely for the night , have a good sleep and fresh brain to issue a DIKAT for hartal ,stone throwing etc the next day .
    3 Why are they following them blindly ,with eyes and ears shut .
    4 Which way they are concerned for their well fare , is it by destroying the educational institutions , buildings ,schools (i remember the( ISLAMIA COLLEGE LIBRARY )having rare books ,collections ,but they burnt it .
    cant they understand what good PAK has done to them so far
    1 It is a failed state .
    2 zia-ul haq isited them by saying TOORU MAIN KHANAY WALLAY BRAHMINS ,They reacted and were up in arms against Bharat WHO FEEDS THEM.
    3 Ba nazir told them GOLI CHALV GOLI CHALAV I AM COMMING TO HAVE TEA AT NISHAT GARDEN What happend to that

    4 could Pak fulfil any of its promise or has it failed on all occasions
    Remember 1947 kABAILI HAMLA
    1965 MUJAHID HAMLA
    1971 DIRECT WAR
    1999 KARGIL

    5 They should intrspect , think were are they .perhaps in deep slumber . when shall they wake up . GOD alone knows .

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  • Gulbagh Singh

    You can trust Kashmiri now. They have been brain washed by Pakistan. They will realise their mistake, when it will be too late. Let them go to hell.

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  • ash

    Kumkum Chadha has just given a typicalnarrow view point and quoted the butcher of kashmir “Jagmohan” as if he was a savior. The affects of that brutal crack down still reverbrate in Kashmir and you talk about simil;ar if not more severe crack down on Kashmiris.

    62 years on and complete rejection of Indioan occupation by the majority in kashmir,so many Indians are still in a denial mode and continue to blame Pakistan for what is esasentially and occupation of kashmir by their own forces.

    Arun Khrishnamurty seems to know the reality,more in India need to speak up like him.

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    Rajeev Reply:

    Arun is pakistani in disguise.

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  • http://www.indiatimes.com surinder sharma

    Mr. Arun ,1 there lies the problem. we majority indians know nothing about problem of J&K .. Before giving comments, you should study about linguistics ,demography and geography of J&K. it is jammu, kashmir and Ladakh and not Kashmir valley only. JIt isj ust because of language indian tamils are concerned about sri lankan tamils, otherwise hindus live in J&K also and not are not such a minuscule minority as whole in J&K.

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  • http://Yahoo Jahan khan

    RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION TO THE PEOPLE OF J&K : You guys are mistaken of what is happening in Kashmir. The problem of J&K is a political problem, like that of some of the North East India. The Muslims in J&K are not communal. There is no doubt that Pakistan is causing terror in J&k and further the people are again tortured by Indian forces. Now Jammu & Kashmir people are crushed by both India and Pakistan. Till either Pakistan or India occupies Kashmir, either India or Pakistan will not stop torturing J&K and J&K will be always the victim of a kicking ball. But by that time, J&K will be vanished from this earth. So the ultimate solution to bring complete peace in J&K is giving the RIGHT TO SELF DETERMINATION TO THE PEOPLE OF JAMMU AND KASHMIR UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE UNITED NATIONS. This will completely solve the problem of J&K.

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    Vikram Reply:

    Not communal !! tell that to the lakhs of Kashmiri pandits who were hounded out of their homelands in their own country.

    Self determination cannot take place without peace and prosperity for a period of time. Kashmir has been kept on a boil by Pakistan who’s sole aim of existence is the dissolution of India and some delusional thoughts of Muslim nay Taliban Rule in South Asia. Kashmir is just the start as far as they are concerned and the onslaught will not end until there are any non muslims in India. Thus for us non believers Kashmir is the front line where the battle between civility and medieval barbarism is to be fought. J&K people have to unfortunately live on this battle field. But with their own elected government, freedom to practice their religion and access to the largess of the larger Indian nation what is their problem. If at all there is it will be due to corrupt local governments which is true for any part of India or even Pakistan for that matter.

    But if self determination is the garb for the Pakistanis to bring Taliban country close to India then it will never happen. the power of 1 billion people and one of the largest economies of the world will fight it with full force. It is not a fancy fight for self interest or oil but a matter of survival and safety for us too. We are not Americans who can get on a plane and fly off. We are here to defend our sacred motherland

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    shan Reply:

    @Jahan Khan, have you thought where will your aspirin tablet for headache come from , so the antibiotics,and vaccine , it will have to be imported from infidel india, and given the value of your new azadi crrency , dont think you will be able to afford it. Also your main earner tourism will vanish (no body goes to pakistan for holidays), also your your export of apples will loose a big market that is India. So all in all another BANGLADESH IN THE MAKING , AND BE PREPARED FOR SEVERAL COUP AND MILITARY DICTATORSHIP , AND HIZAB AND STONING FOR ADULTERY.

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    Anil Reply:

    When you drive kashmiri pandists h=ouot occupyt their property I think that’s pretty communal whichever way you look at it.

    We would not allow our ancetrsal land of shiva to be lost to jihadis whatever be the price.. if we have to we will kill them all.

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    Sam Reply:

    Taxes imposed on Hindu pilgrims for Vaishno Devi temple..

    But give Haj subsidy for Muslims…

    What a farce of secularism….
    Secularism is only to tax Hindus..while other minorities get a free goods

    if this is the secularism, Hindus have to suffer under,..
    imagine how hindus suffered paying jizya under moghul islamic thugs..

    http://www.taxguru.in/government-policy/validity-of-the-entry-feestax-imposed-on-the-vehicles-carrying-pilgrims-by-state-of-j-k.html

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    rita kaul Reply:

    Kumkumji,
    I was quite fascinated while going through this article.Indeed you had visited ‘jahanum’ way back in the 80s,which continues to be so even now.I think Kashmir’s destiny can be solved by the one and only ‘Octopus’.

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  • http://thegoofysufi.blogspot.com Amit Julka

    This article is nothing more than a shallow narrow minded attempt to toe the government’s line under the garb of analysis….True, Pakistan has played a meddler’s part, but at the same time, but it couldn’t have achieved any mileage had there been no local support for ‘azaadi’…

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    Praveen Saxena Reply:

    I fully agree with Ms Kum Kum , that deal firmly with Pakistan and Kashmir will fall in place.

    But going back to oldter times I can vividly recall that Newspapers were extensively reporting about the declining situation and that Jagmohan had been sending reports to the Centre about the deteriorating situation in Kashmir, but Rajiv Gnadhi , the PM was so entangled in Bofors and other scandals which were beginning to threaten his political survival.. and Buta Singh the Home Minister whose priorities were quite different at that time.

    But sadly it is our fate that we shall always be left paying for follies of the past. And the price to be paid by our future generations is going to be heavier. The ” Economic Growth rates” will not be be of liitle help in rescuing us ..

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  • abl

    The people of kashmir (Sepratists) should answer three questions :
    1. Are they willing to take to Talibanism? Because that is the future face of Pakistan. Even if they are ‘azad’ then also they will have to face the talibanis because they will spread their wings through a kid nation with nothing except scenic beauty of its own.
    2. What was the fault of the millions of Kashmiri pundits who have been your brother since ages and were forced to flee because of Pakistani campaign.
    3 Why should India take a suicidal step of freeing Kashmir from its control so that the entire top from the present indo pak border in the west to theSino indian border in the east becomes a volatile boundry and be constantly at war with three countries i.e. Pakistan, Kashmir & China?

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  • bindu singh

    kumkum]
    It is as clear as it is that if these Indian leaders have some integrity and dignity .India wont handover Kashmir to Pak in whichever way Pak tries and cries for it.Pak cannot take our country by force.63 years on……….. Is India still treating Kashmir problem as a common cold hoping ,it will go in 1 or 2 weeks?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    An Independent kashmir (or autonomous kashmir) will be another Pakistan for India. We are not able to handle one pakistan right now, how will we handle twwor pakistan plus bangladesh?

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  • http://- Rajeev

    The time has come to divide J&K into 4 regions-
    1. Jammu (Union territory)
    2. Ladakh (Union territoty)
    3. Kashmir valley (semi-autonomous state under India, generating its own income and getting only required aid from Indian govt.)
    4. Pakistan Occupied kashmir (UT to be regained). India should launch diplomatic offensive to get get back PoK. We can also start by providing moral and diplomatic support pakistani style in Balochistan.
    5. Aksai chin (UT – to be regained) – Indian stand on Tibet should directly be connected to fate of Aksai chin. India should start providing moral support to Tibetans.

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    Sam Reply:

    Dont you think Bangladesh has a claim on Kashmir ?

    If West Pakistan and Bangladesh can be a single country, it can also claim part of Kashmir.

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  • http://- Rajeev

    Please read ‘The time has come to divide J&K into 4 regions-’

    as

    The time has come to divide J&K into 5 regions-

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  • Anil

    Tell me guys what is secular assimilation of Kashmir in project India or their segregation in nizam-e-mustafa..

    Other separatists problme vanished because there was no article 370 and people from all over indian mingle d and saw the secular side of thigns.. IN kashmir thanks to article 370 all those jihadis see is indian army good luck with bridging gaps this way.

    Take hard decsion abort article 370 and see how in a decade kashmir becomes part of india socially

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  • Mohd

    Kumkum Chadha

    If you wana abuse Kashmires you can do that open on any voice announcement system.
    But if you call this civilized system of conveying your hate racialism values then its shame for Hindustan times given space for you to spread hatred.
    let me tell you kashmiries are not animals and you will stick one side and they will come your side.

    You are spreading hatred among religious values of Kashmires putting other religious minorities under risk by proving Kashmiri Muslims are against other religions.
    let me tell you facts that from last 60 years or in 90s and still today in present freedom turmoil there are so many Hindus Sikhs Christians with temples Churches Gurdawaras.
    In past some temples where left deserted which where looked after by Kashmiri Muslims.
    The minorities live together still in any situation till date none has broken resolve they stayed together they will stay cause kashmir was most secular place in India.
    But its people like you who bring their shameful race to pronounce that their inherited race has hatred and irritations with other religions no patience o accept other religions just spend life on hate.
    As a human you should know Kashmires are humen beinsg who have right to select with whom they can be if you or your religion belives in Humanity not jsut spending fire then you and Hindustantimes should applogise to Kashmiri for this shameful Article.
    I protest on this Hate spread.
    Long Live Kashmir

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    Sam Reply:

    Taxes imposed on Hindu pilgrims for Vaishno Devi temple..

    But give Haj subsidy for Muslims…

    What a farce of secularism..

    if this is the secularism, Hindus have to suffer under,..
    imagine how hindus suffered paying jizya under moghul islamic thugs..

    http://www.taxguru.in/government-policy/validity-of-the-entry-feestax-imposed-on-the-vehicles-carrying-pilgrims-by-state-of-j-k.html

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    Mohd Reply:

    Dear Sam,

    The taxes is imposed by Vaisho Devi Board full of Hindus and pandits created by central government not by any Kashmiri Muslim.

    Your Muslims brothers are rendering the service to pilgrims by carrying them on their shoulders and rendering their homes as shufflers shelters during any calamity or during the pilgrimage.

    And we are not under Mugal rule this ideology is insane and resulting in hatred for you what happened 200 or 300 years ago doesnt mean you will bring that out as hatred who knows what exactly was the status of society .
    And my dear friend during Mugals came there where many religions in India which was not correct people where burning people alive and many others things.Mugal gave the people a human face as well and what ever. why you have to bring something which is unknown to world in 21 century that to create hatred .This is wrong hindu ideology baking hatred on the pretext of Mugals this will lead you no where ,this will make you hate every one.

    Even Hindu religion has gone in change during Mugals or after Mugals and during British rule during Bristish rule they changed many practices which was said in Tulidas or other Authors.So will you fight with whole world.

    During Nazi or before world war 1 and 2 many Jews where slaughtered by Christians not in10 100 but in 5000 to 20000 where massacred.But learn how Jews are living with fellow Christan are they behaving like you.

    So my dear learn like all civilized human beings are behaving and living and forget what Mugals did or others did live in present and live like a human being and love humanity and respect Humanity.

    Our or other religions are not against you so calm down and live in peace May god bless you with peace.

    At the end remember one thing no one can stop Kashmires what they want so support the human cause and refrain with this blogger in spreading hate for kashmires or for Muslims.

    Long Live Kashmir

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    Sam Reply:

    >The taxes is imposed by Vaisho Devi Board full of Hindus and pandits created by central government not by any Kashmiri Muslim.

    These taxes are imposed by J&K govt.

    Why should there be a Haj Subsidy ? isn’t this Jizya on majority Hindus ?
    Hindus cannot even enter Mecca for a visit.
    For that religious apartheid place, why should HIndu’s pay for muslims pilgrim costs ?

    Islamic thugs can never understand what they parrot.
    They will understand the pain, only when Mecca/medinah is sacked by non-muslims and a jizya like tax is imposed on the muslims to visit that place..

    Sam Reply:

    >So my dear learn like all civilized human beings are behaving and living and forget what Mugals did or others did live in present and live like a human being and love humanity and respect Humanity.

    Please tell how to live a civilized life to your fellow religious extremists.
    Start with pakistan and saudi arabia.

    In Saudi, 1 muslim life = 33 Hindu woman life.
    please protest against it, if you have any humanity or respect humanity.

    Islam dehumanizes others and calls Kaafirs, infidels..,
    Hindus do not have any such derogatory names for muslims.

    Surprising thing, is many muslims want to bring back Jizya and collect money from hindus and live on easy money.
    they used sword to extract this jizya in moghul times.

    how can we forget it, when poor Hindus were forced to convert to islam as they could not pay jizya ?

    Mohd Reply:

    My dear Sam you are as illiterate as people before Mugals or later dynasties .Educate yourself then preach this hatred which have been injected in your race.
    Hear this Kafirs are those who doesn’t believe in Humanity kills people who are alive or burns people believes in hatred or revenge killings acts all unethical unhuman acts.
    And no one has said accept you that kafirs are Hindus Sikhs or Christan.
    And as far as Saudi and Pakistan is concerned they have their own life Saudi has much celebrated life they choose to live they dont feel offended by that then why you feel pain.
    Pakistan has extremism or terrorism we dont appreciate that so should be aborted where ever it is whether its Ramsena Bhadrangdal RSS terrorism killing Muslims Christians .
    How on earth you call yourself Humans bring down Mosques killings burning Muslims .
    No Sikh was forced anyhting come to Kashmir and see reality and stop this hate business.
    Mugals had a rule you where not present at that time so when you dont know on which type people they had order to impose then dont preach hate racial business acts.
    How on earth is central government killing innocents in Kahsmir then and destroying their houses are they Humans .
    Long Live kashmir

    vigrx plus Reply:

    I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the great work Look forward to reading more from you in the future.

    Sam Reply:

    Mohd please answer my questions…
    otherwise there is not point reading all your delusionary writings..

    REPLY Reply:

    Sir do not deliver these sermons to us, do you remember what you did to your own Jamati Islami people in kashmir when bhutoo was hanged, what you did to Kashmiri Shia community when Zia died in air crash, we know how much cultured you are? Do see in your own character before you give sermons to others, DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? In case of killings of Hindus, A Kashmiri killed a Kashmiri leave alone the other communities jews, etc etc etc

    m Reply:

    Mr Sam,
    your all questions are well answered we ask you to read between lines if you still dont get your answer for insane substances that you are trying to create then no one can convince you else you need to doctor yourself for the disease of hate and preaching hate for Muslims an other minorities.
    And stop this business which creates boundaries between humanity .
    There is old saying accept people as they are they will accept you too.
    In real sense it is what you need to hear rest no will will buy your hate curry so bury hate and live like human.
    Long Live Kashmir

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    Sam Reply:

    Not a single answer to these issues

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    In Saudi, 1 muslim life = 33 Hindu woman life.
    please protest against it, if you have any humanity or respect humanity.

    Islam dehumanizes others and calls Kaafirs, infidels..,
    Hindus do not have any such derogatory names for muslims.

    Surprising thing, is many muslims want to bring back Jizya and collect money from hindus and live on easy money.
    they used sword to extract this jizya in moghul times.

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    vijay kumar Reply:

    Kum Kum,

    i read your blog with rapt attention and read it again. You are absolute dead right that the situation can be handled and must be handled well and strictly.

    let us not forget that Jammu and Ladakh which have four times more area than the Kashmir valley suffer because all the state’s budget is diverted by the politicians into the valley.

    I am now posting to you a possible solution to the Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir. I hope as a seasoned journalist, you look at this from all angles. I look forward to your comments on this.
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    TRIFURCATING JAMMU, LADAKH and KASHMIR-

    a solution to India’s problems

    Jammu and Kashmir, the northest part of united India, is our pride and yet today is crying needing our helping hand and a healing touch.

    So many formulae have been tried in the J&K and yet nothing seems to work as finally the separatists and the Pakistanis start creating problems and violence.

    Let us now, as Indians, seriously take up the proposal for tri-furcating J&K. This makes sense seeing the history and the violence which has almost killed 50,000 people.

    This will strengthen the secularism of India. If we can have separate states of Ladakh and Jammu, and Kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, things will be easily managable.

    The Kashmir problem which looks sizeable on the world map would immediately be reduced to the size it actually is. To a narrow strip of land, 30 km by 70 km in size.

    We could then use our resources to win over the hearts and minds of the people in this strip of land. As well as create a good infrastructure for tourism and industry.

    Let us at this point also remember that today, as Ladkah has been hit by a cloudburst and the population out there suffers, it is the separatists in the valley who are hogging the headlines and consuming all of the state’s budget….

    The need for this tri-furcation has never been as urgent as now….

    The salient features.
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    a) Kashmir should be divided in such a manner that the river flow to the rest of India is unhampered. And our military and civil administration can have a better control over the borders and insurgents.

    b)Terrorist violence basically happens in 2500 sq km. Once J&K is trifurcated, it would be easy for the army and the civil administration to control 2500sq km

    c)A plebiscite will never happen as we are too strong to let the world force us. However in case of a hypothetical situation that it does, then India has the right of taking the vote of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir.

    d) Pakistan has already integrated Baltistan as a seperate state, so we have to see what others are doing. In fact they have changed the demographic pattern of Muzzafarabad and occupied Kashmir so that Punjabis are in a majority.

    e) Once kashmir is reduced to 2500 sq km, it will make the separatists realise that their dream of a small landlocked independent country is futile.

    f) We can revoke section 370 for Jammu and Ladakh immediately after trifurcation so that patriotic Indians from all over the country can buy land and settle there.

    g) Ladakh has Lakes, mountains, and calmness as well as Buddhist tourist spots. A huge potential exists. While Jammu attracts lakhs for the Vaishno Devi Yatra.Once they shine, Kashmiris will be inspired to give up the gun and join the mainstream

    h) People of Jammu and Ladakh have time and again asked for separate states or UT status. Let us make them as states. Srinagar can be the capital of all three distinct identities of Jammu, Ladakh and Kashmir, and would be a Union territory.

    i) There is a huge section of people in Kashmir, Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims who always favoured India over Pakistan or freedom. They would always remain with us. Infact they would work with double zeal to get their brothers who have been misled, back into the mainstream.

    j) We should remember that tri-furcation is not secession or ceding ground to Pakistan. Infact, by dividing states in the North East of India we have considerably managed to reduce the regional tensions. Further on, division of PEPSU led to three happy states of Punjab, Haryana and HImachal. And more recently, the creation of Chattishgarh, Jharkhand and Uttrakhand has led to a fast paced development of these areas….

    At the end of the day all people from the J&K region would be proud to be Indian. Currently we are holding the people of Jammu and of Leh-Ladakh hostage to the political machinations of a few outsiders.

    Why should we not, as Indians, push our government to start working on this tri-furcation?

    b.l pandita Reply:

    WELL you are correct . muslims of kashmir have kept 1100 KPs as hostageg for secularism . What about 7 lack KPs whom you drove away right from 1947 . Read instructions from ATISH CHINAR by sm abdullah . We and the world knows knows your recent behaviour twords the very micro population of SIKHS at Kashmir . muslims are liars ,deceivers ,terrorists ,looters etc But show the world , you are BAY KASOOR . We know your ins and outs . Please keep quiet you can throw stones on security forces ,injure them ,fracture them even make them to die ,but they should not retaliate . you keep on to repeat the same song BAY KASOOR , BAY KASOOR , BAY KASOR ————-?

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  • Ankit

    Kumkum Chadha got the real taste of Kashmiri secularism when she has to rub off her bindi in order to save her life. Imagine the fate of 4 lakh Pandits who had to go through much worse and were hounded out of their homeland.

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    Mohd Reply:

    Pandits are still there and will remain part of Kashmir they had in 90s asked by Central Government to leave and as on apromise that they will finish all Kashmires by summer and can they can return back and then Pandits can rule Kashmir.
    But fortunately That times Jaghmohans cruel plan didnt successed we faced him with great will.
    Later Pandits where given houses jobs relief monthly still they are taking and no one remained jobless or houses SO it was Indian central governmental plan against Kashmiri Muslims which didnt successed. No pandit is now jobless house less where all sufferings are Kashmires plus loosing lives.
    And they are man pandits Hindus Sikhs who choose to live with Kashmires and and living with great pride and honour.
    So stop this propaganda and air the reality.We Kashmiris are more secular and more welcoming than you extremism who air hatred.
    Long Live kashmir

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    Rajeev Reply:

    It sounds hollow..and it doesn’t match the situation on the ground..

    We know that you forced a sikh to recite kalima recently.

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    mr RAJEEV
    Yours is a half reply .They have clean shaved two sikh youths recently .one was a small chap .SO THEY CALL THEM SELVES SECULAR ?????????????and deceive the world .But how long ?

    b.l pandita Reply:

    please see my reply to mohd above dated august 28 ,2010.
    it is REPLY to yourquestion as well ,no body in the world ,trusts you now .
    Read world news every day

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  • SinhaG

    You got your story Kumkum ma’am during your journey from airport to the governor’s residence. That was fascinating and interesting…

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    Before i proceed ,what happend us at jammu ,i am reminded of a funny and ??? storey
    These fundamantalists killed a well known advocate at anantnag , late sh Prem nath
    Bhat , now the funny thing was that muslims acompanied the place of cremation .They were narrating RAMANM SATI HAI HARJI (his co associate ) KATI HAI .They wanted him to be located for kill . Thank GOD he had already left for some unknown place .
    When mufti was central minister for home ,a conspracy was hatched about his daughter for the release of 6 millitants . After the release of millitants ,she came home with presents form millitants quite hale and healthy . Perhaps it speaks volumes ,as every thing was preplanned .
    Some of KPs sent there daughters in trucks covered with paddy gras to avoide therir identification and insult by these nasty millitants .
    Almost every one left to save his and his women folk from insult.
    So was it a place for kps to sit back

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    Well ,i have left kashmir when i was 45 . i have travelled almost all the parts , even farthest parts where a normal person can not reach , due to my service . Kashmiri Muslims all along have urge and inclination twords PAK .This has been exploited by the tall muslim rulers , Ali geelani (hardliner), Frroq moulvi (the soft liner ) PDP (for self rule ) NC (For autonomy ) and CONG (For faulty administration )and finally PAK (revenge of Bangladesh )
    Common kashmiri is not so bad by heart . He doesnot know -what to do , who says what and whome to follow . AT some times he feels helpless under these circumstance and so he follows DIKATS of all and sundry thinking that he is the best . For some months there was calm , but these hawks did not allow him to be at peace as otherwise their shops would have closed .
    No body asks them 1- where from they got dispropornate wealth 2-where are their sons and daughters 3-why are they made skape goats at their will . Strange thing is , apart from killing large no. of kps these THUGS made them to kill great persnalities like resp super spalist cardiologist dr Gooru , top ortho dr ASHI , Top gastro entrologist (name forgotten ) he was made to flee the country only not to marry his well qualified daughters to nasty militants . IS IT HUMAN BEHAVIOUR OR WHAT ? How these THUGS will reply GOD on ROSI MOSHAR .
    To me it appears that the solution is withen Kmr . Rope in them all , put them behind bars , apply sevear actsof law , so that they come out after years and have the taste of cruelty they have done to the long standing brotherhood between communities .Why should we bother for reactions of
    other countries when our part of body is destroyed ,How they helped a KASHMIRI . I do not agree with bi or tryfurcation ,that will cause more problems than it solves . There are many competent personalities availible other than these THUGS.Why to hanker after NC , PDP ,CONG etc———-.

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  • sam

    Kashmir: Muslims pressure Sikhs to convert or leave

    It is a long-standing practice in Islamic warfare to invite the targeted population to convert before attacking. Indeed, it goes back to Muhammad himself:

    “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them….” (Sahih Muslim 19.4294)

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    Well i can narrate my history of my exodus from kashmir
    It was that fate full day of January 1990 when i was with my muslim friend twords Rambagh ,about 3kms from lal ckowk . my friend called me and asked me to see through the first floor window .i was surprised rather stunt to see a sea of buses, trucks ,cars ,scooters ,jeeps and all available transport to them , heading twords CHARI SHARIEF where there is a dargah of a rev .saint . All the vehicles were loded with men old , young and even children . Some of them were in a standing position ,clad with white cloth from top to bottom as if a coffin . It wsa shattering procession,for me . I enquired from my friend ,;what is it ?,’ i was told that they are going to the shrine to get permission . what ? the reply was BATA CHA HA CHOI CHALLON KASHIRI MANZA (Oh pandit you have to leave kashmir ) .Holding my breath , i requested my friend to accompany me to my residence ,he oblged . on way i saw ladies offering water and juices and charing them.Then tere was slogering —-
    1- we want azadi
    2- KAFIRO KASHMIR CHOD DO Infidles leave kashmr
    3– asi gasi pakistan batv rosti batnav san we want kashmir without males and with females
    and so on
    all mosques were connected with power full mikes so that the DIKATS reach every nook and corner .
    We were asked to accompany for slogering .which was not acceptable to us .
    Temporary viodeo shuds were installed to view pak dikats .they were running during late hours at night

    killings of kps started
    first casuality was of advocate TIKA LAL TAPLOO during broad day light and then—– 2
    to continue ——-

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    Sanjiv Reply:

    Pandita Sahab,

    I had tears in my eyes while reading your piece..

    Its as if you were narrating a story of my life…

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    continued 3

    2nd killing of LASSA KOUL director door darshan
    3rd killing of retired session judge
    4th killing of SARVANAND PREMI emenent writter
    All killings were brutal in broad day light before our eyes and so on the toll went to killing of about 4000 kashmiri pandits

    We were under delusion till then . They had a trial run earlier wher some hoses were burnt by them at ANANTNAG district .At that time the govt of the day helped in there reconstruction.
    2 We thought that if pandits are touched or killed The huge presence of millitary will save us .I t could not do because of obvious reasons
    3 The govet headed by dr farooq will save us .He had promised us that he will stand at tunnel with open arms and will not allow any pandit to leave the valley . He failed and left for ENGLAND only to return after 5 years ,leaving us to the mercy of fundamentalist millitants . i can understand ,he must also got some threat to do so ,otherwise he would not do so.He would help at that hour of agony .

    SO SEEING ALL THIS AND MUCH MORE WE HAD NO CHOICE
    BUT TO LEAVE VALLEY FOR SAFETY OF OUR SELVE AND OUR WOMEN FOKE

    I for my self arranged one taxi and sent my old parrents and younger brother ,with meager clothing etc (any body can guess the load for a taxi ) My father and mother passed away due to HBP and heart disease ??????? peace be to there sole ,may GOD grant it ?????
    I repeated the same for my self an my family same with meager things .It was after conducting SHIV RATRI pooja,when we are celebrating in a unique way by putting waulnuts in an earthen pot and putting flower garlands and conducting pooja for 4 days . alas ! icould do it for only one day and leave without prasad .The waulnuts must have been tasted by my immediate neighbour called APA HAKEEM .
    3
    to continue

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    Sam Reply:

    You should write in a blog or a website about this atrocities on peaceful Hindu population in the valley.

    Are there any videos or recordings of the public announcements from the mosques speakers ?
    there are several news reports about asking hindu males to leave kashmir and leave the property and women for the “islamic followers”

    these videos and personal recordings must be preserved in a Hindu holocaust museum.

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    SO,you have proved your self a lier ,which youal ways do .i am writting my own fellings and they do not require your certificate .dont worry every thing is aldeady recorded in books ,papers etc .why you were hankering after only paper ALSAFA . GO AND FIND OUT EVEN NOW .

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    Sam Reply:

    You misunderstood me.
    I want more people to know about your personal story and first hand account of travails and tragedy of Hindu population.

    That’s all.

  • Ankit

    The Muslims of kashmir go on reciting one-liners that Hindus were driven by Jagmohan but ironically no one answers the basic question Jagmaohan was governor for four months to be precise 20th of Jan to 21st of May 1990. You can find out how many Hindus were killed after he left, when did the massacres of Wandhama, Sangrampura, & Nandi marg happen that also with Hindus who opted to stay back in valley, Second if hindus were living there for centuries if they were driven by governor then they would have returned after four months after he was removed but they did not but preferred to stay away from kashmir why ? Becuse their right to life, property, religious freedom was snatched in Kashmir when the onslaught of terrorism AKA so called azadi, which was nothing but islamic terror,more ironically Hindus were not killed by Police or paramilitary forces nor army but by thier own kashmiris, only diffrence was that Muslim of locality A went to locality D to murder this peace loving Hindu, they in turn did not kill Kashmiri Muslim but left the place……… Their now one liners simply are a face of their lack of character………

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    Mr ANKIT
    I fully agree with you They are liers ? They always deny facts .They are intolerants They not confess facts .On other day i was listning to Times now discussion about atrocities on SIKHS .One of the socalled leaders SAJAD LONE ,said to burry this happening under carpet .I laughed ,the poor felw does not know that he is in slumber in these times .The news had already gone to the world .This is an age of computer , mobile , internet ,e-mail –etc . his denial will not do ? HOW HE REPRESENTS ANY SECTION WHEN HE LOST HIS ASSEMBLY SEAT ,in his own area nurtured by his rev father sh abdul GANI LONE . Whom does he represent now? To day their denials have no value .They are fully exposed ,donot worry .There is hell of deference ,what they do and how they deny .

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    As said already i reached jammu ,an un known place to us .we were not visiting jammu often because of the hot climate ,fear of snake bites and not knowing jammu people .I used to visit for official assignments during winters ,stayed at hotel for aday or two and then leave for kashmir .
    On that evening i was standing near bus stand (where the two taxis had dropped us ) suddenly a jammu man wished me and said that you proceed to SARWAL .There is a shiv mandir having a big hall ,and see if you can be accomodated there . i immediately proceeded along wit my family .entered the hall ,it was about 20 ft by 20 ft .It was already having 3 families ,but seeing my old parrents they offerd me a corner say 8ft by 7ft . I stayed there for full 3 months along with others .My children had to go out in the open for easing some times elder had to accompany them as they feared snakes , the area ,and jammuties whome they never knew before .
    slowly ,after three months i got 2 room accomodation ,down SARWAL area .It was a shoe makers house ,without any sanitation and proper water supply.lot of smell was comminig out .Since we were not habitual of such things ,but taking it as our destiny we managed to stay for another 4 months facing all such odds. Then i got an accomodation at SHASTRI NAGAR .Though that was also below standards ,but was still better than the prvious .
    SAME was repeated ie changing from one house to another for4 years .

    IN the mean time we had another stroke from the government of jammu and kashmir

    to continue 5

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    WELL , while we were searching a place to stay , the govt on its part stopped our monthly salary which we were drawing at kashmir . We were bracked as MIGRANTS (the term applied to birds for their seasonal migration from one place to other ) . we had to spend from our megar savings to keep ourselves alive . We resorted to agetation , when GOI released some funds for the purpose .The govt of j&k passed an order that we should paid our basic salary irrespective of our long service period , our needs at jammu etc , The emoluments were so megar ,any body can understand .The salary paid was also without DA,ADA ,MEDICAL allowences .
    It was a callous and anti KP ACTION . OK the funds were reaching j&k govt with sect at srinagar , and were sent to jammu at their will . What ever little we were paid was with delay ie upto 20th of the month.
    Here -i would like to write a word about jammu people , mainly DOGRAS , they wellcomed us , received us with open arms . I thank them today , even when i am not at jammu . These people had wittnesed such turmoil at the time of partition .
    They understood our plight and never pressed for rent , i for my self requested my house holder for paying rent after 20th of the month , he readili acceptet and narrated his story ,when he left PAKwith —-
    one swing machiene on his shoulder . He wept and with folded hands wanted to pay me some thing from his pocket
    ONCE AGAIN THANKS ,FROM ME TO ALL OF THEM (DOGRAS ASWELL AS SARDARS .)

    BASICALLY , THE AIM OF THESE HAWKS AT KASHMI WAS TO SEE US BEGGING AT INDIAN STREETS .THAT WOULD ONLYSATISFY THEIR HEART AND HAVE A SATISFACTORY SMILE .
    to cotinue 6

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    Again agitation started , it had effect after some months and our full pay was released . After about 2-3 years we craved for our yearly increments .Agitated , applied , sent reminders to the govt of j&k (which was and is infested with kashmiri millitants , both at sectt and ministerial level) for the release of our yearly increments but all without any result .They wanted us to be in trouble , it was and is their MOTO .
    However , one employee ,while perusing the CSR for j&k employees ,found a clause under increments ,saying ;allthose employees ,who have not left their place of posting of their choice ,but was forced by circumstances ,are entiled to their yearly increments . THIS WAS GIVEN VENT,and the CALLOUS GOVT was forced to release the increments in our favour . Latter we came to know that the act was introduced to benifit MUSLIM EMPLOYEES .during LADAKH agetation ,when they had left ladakh , their pay was paid to them at their HOMES till their adjustment . What else can be expected from such a callous GOVT .
    Hovever , my elder son passed 12th with ist division .He went to get the certificate from J&K BOARD at jammu .While at home he sat before me with his head down . I asked the reason .he said ‘ papa i wanted to go for ENGINEERING DEGREE COURCE but i know you can not afford it .Being father , his words were as SPARE , that crosssed my heart .I ,thought and thought , i preyed to GODDES DURGA ,to show me the way out .
    On third day i went to relation and asked for monitary help . He readily paid me Rs 20 ,000 as lone . I immediately rushed to KARNATKA along with my son, for his admission to BLDEA colege of engeening . It was sunday ,college was closed . I enquired about the residence of president or chairman or authority for admision . I was given the adress of chairman Mr patil . I went there and knoked the door . I was admitted inside . I narrated my story . He gave me a patient hearing and adimitted my son at the same time .I handed over the some of 20 th to him with a promise to pay his balance fee at my will in any number of instalments . My son completed the course with 1st division . It was a boon and treatment to me and my wife .
    , to cotinue 7

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    Sandeep Reply:

    Pandita Sahab hats off to you, in fact to every parent of ours, who did not bother to eat one time food but made no compromise as far as studies were concerned, I have also many of my relations with same story, in one case four families were in same one room set, but the education of their children was priority, no guest could visit any member of the four families because he had no place to sit & talk to, but all of them are today well settled in life, in fact globally placed with very very large houses. it is well said “God closes one course, He opens ten others, THANKS TO THAT ALMIGHTY” yes difficult days were upto say 1995-1996 and afterwords things began to improve when the children of these migrants finished their education.

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    THANKS sadeep ji ,you have at least attested me . My narration is not mine only ,it is the nannation of all my brothers , sisters , mothers who had come from farflung areas of north south kashmir .Some of them had not visited SRINAGAR .They were happy in their own way in villages ,forest areas and enjoying cold climate .
    I have seen their condition at camps ,braving scorching heat and craving and not understanding what happend to them/us .
    I have not wept till today for our exodus .I kept on struggling .BUT TODAY WHEN I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS , TEARS AUTOMATICALLY POUR ED OUT OF MY EYES
    I have a request that go on writting ,we are not to use gun but pen . An old saying ,PEN IS MIGHTERIOR THAN SWORD . Today we can say OUR FINGERS ON COMPUTER , INTERNET ARE MIGHTERIOR THAN SWORD Write true stories in your own way ,let the world know wthat has been done to us by these fundamentalists , terrorists and how we have sufferd at their hand . Ask your friends to relate their stories without fear and fun . Be truthful to what you say .We do not require guidence because it has happend to us , we have faced it ourselves .
    Muslims want azadi ,from what ? We are the owners of kashmir . it reminds me ,When pandwas asked korwas to grant them only 5 villages to live in , Daryodana told them he will not spare an inch for them . what happend , KAROKHETARA . Korwas were finished . so is today . we ask them for pannun kashmir (a portion of land where we can live with peace ) IS THIS A SIN , they refuse and raise slognering WE WANT AZADI . May be there will be his Lord krishnas , incarnation again to settle the issue for good .
    Thanks once again for reading my comments .I am 65 today .I tried to learn computer at this age and am able to see world ,to make you to comment on my write up .I loved it may God bless you .

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  • Steesh

    I am at loss to understand the concept of Kashmir. I don’t agree with an independent Kashmir. I cannot for the love of God understand any Kashmiries wanting to integrate with Pakistan. Have they forgotten the saga of East Pakistan (Bangladesh)? People in Kashmir are very intelligent & educated, far better than the powers to be in Pakistan.
    Kashmir will face the same fate if ever the situation arose that they were elected to Govern. The same fate as the bangladeshies. Mass murders & elimination of the educated & elite.Mainland Pakistan will never tolerate anyone else ruling them but themselves. Kasahmir will become subservient-a second class entity.
    Bangladeshi people could not take , nor will the Kashmiri people. They too are far too intelligent, so please waken up. Pakistan is a brokendown bankrupt State, riddled with too many anomolies. Compare the Economic strength of the two countries. Who would you like to be the part of?
    Pakistan infected with fundamentalism & destruction ot India becoming a Nation to be reckened with.

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    Sam Reply:

    Please read the sorry state of Hindus in Bangladesh..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Bangladesh

    Declining Hindu population in Bangladesh region Year Percentage (%)
    1941 28.0
    1951 22.0
    1961 18.5
    1974 13.5
    1981 12.13
    1991 11.62
    2001 9.2 [2]

    On 3 January, 1964, an unprovoked carnage of the Hindus took place in major cities of East Pakistan. In the city of Khulna alone thousands of Hindus were killed in one night. It was aided and abbeted by the then Government of Pakistan. A false rumour was spread that the Hindus in India stole the sacred hair of the Prophet Mohammed from the Hazarat Bal Mosque in Kashmir. This ignited the passion of the Muslims to go berserk and as a result scores of Hindus were murdered. It was followed by a mass exodus of the hapless Hindus from East Pakistan to India[citation needed]

    Despite the public commitment of Sheikh Mujib and his government to re-establishing secularism and rights of non-Muslim religious groups, two significant aspects of his rule remain controversial as relates to the conditions of Hindus in Bangladesh. The first was his refusal to return the premises of the Ramna Kali Mandir, historically the most important temple in Dhaka, to the religious body that owned the property. This centuries old Hindu temple was demolished by the Pakistan army during the Bangladesh Liberation War and around one hundred devotees murdered. Under the provisions of the Enemy Property Act it was determined that ownership of the property could not be established as there were no surviving members to claim inherited rights, and the land was handed over to the Dhaka Club.

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    SATISH JI
    These vaulchers neither want AZADI ,INDEOENDENCE norSELF RULE .They want blood from GOI ,and to exhaust tax payers money .Thease blackmakers want to live with BHARAT on their condition and blackmale .They have already disclosed , KHEM HA CHAMA HA HINDUSTANS , DIL CHOM PAKISTANS KUN ,i would like to enjoy laxuries at india , but my heart says PAKISTAN .They know their economy ,trade ,easy money will go , Pakistan will not give them any thing , they have visited for terrorist training .They know the culture ,economy ,trade of that failed country . But PAKISTAN is used only for BLACKMAIL and nothing else The pak will not be able to stand before the mighty army of bharat , but they also are best blackmailers .
    They know GOI has weak policy twords kashmir .
    The vetern leader of BJP Dr sh joshi ,asked , the cong govt in parliment ,we spent 98 lac corores on kashmir so far , what we got back ?
    yes , They purchased arms ,amunution , for their trechery against ,india , the same country that fed them .
    They were blackmailing ,BHARAT , for not opening road to pakistan .
    I wonder 4 roads have been opend ie 1 amritsar ,atari 2 uri 3 poonch 4 shopian mugal road . Why are they not leaving for their loved PAK and enjoy liberty ,freedom ,economy and let us sit at peace .

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    In the meantime my second son passed 12th ,but with 2nd division . I advised him to opt for B.Sc and at the same time join 3years computer software course at jammu .without any denial or question he did so .He passed both at the same time BSc with 2nd division and GNIIT with 1st division . again a boon to us and my family .
    My elder son had joined a concern at delhi NCR .He immediately called his younger brother there .After facing certain interviews he was absorbed by a well reputed foreign company . After his two years of service with that company ,he told me that he has submitted RESIGNATION .It surprised me ,his resignation was not accepted but his pay was enhansed by Rs 5000 with a request to stay on .he is presently also working with that coy .Today i feel my decesion was correct .He is getting more salary than his elder Engg brother .

    HERE I SEVEAR AT THE FEET OF MOTHER GODDES , I HAD NOT STICTICHED A COTTON PAJAMA (TROUSER)TILL 1997 .MY WIFE WAS STICHING THE CRACKS AND BREAKS OF MY AND HERS CLOTHES .my only aim was the carrier and education of my two sons even being pennyless . One day we had nothing to eat ,we passed lunch empty stomach ,but what about dinner . MY wife went to her father and borrowed Rs 2000 and arranged food for the 2nd fortnight of that month .Iam not speaking exgagration but facts on oth .

    I suppose it was the calous approach of the muslim fundmetalist govt to give us more and more trouble ,to make us beg ,to make our intellegent youth go astray and become rouges .crimanals as their boys are at kashmir today.
    They did not allow govt servants to get the benifits of relief (cash or kind) They were intrested in cancelling the duplicate ration cards if any .I confess there were some , but as someone said ,NOT BY CHOICE ,the govt did not care
    1 that we were novice at jammu
    2 that we had to start afresh all our needs
    3 that we had to purchase FRIDGES . COOLERS , GAS AND SO MANY NEW THINGS ,WE NEVER WERE ACCOSTOMED AT KASHMIR
    One day i happend to listen a home minister of the state that HE HAS CANCELLED 1600 SUCH TICKETS , The mnister was well qualified ,soft spoken person ? See the genuinness ?????????????and justice done to people in tents ,braving heat of 40-48 degree cc
    I FEEL PROUD OUR BOYS / GIRLS DID NOT LET US DOWN ,THEY BRAVED THE SCORCHING HEAT , HOT WINDS , SAND WENT TO THEIR STOMACH ,MALE NEUTRITION AND WERSE HIGIEN , BUT THEY STUDIED , BROUGHT LAURALS TO THEIR PARRENTS
    It was the only treatment from them to their parrents , that no doctor no medecine could do ????? .

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    sandeep Reply:

    Ironically our Muslim Kashmiris in Administration tries all they could to subvert our path to recovery & Progress but they were defeated by none other than Almighty in their designs (but yes one thing also as you said above all Kashmiri Muslims are not bad.) Take the case of recruitment’s in Kashmir in last so may years how many Hindus were recruited there? .

    And yes we will tell you the local Dogras as you rightly pointed out in fact were beckoning light to tell in time do purchase some land, construct your houses as they had also gone through all this in 1947…. At least life has been in peace outside valley, away from cross firings, gun-shots, pelting of stones on our roof tops, breaking of window panes & glass etc though terrorists have targeted jammu but they have not succeeded nor will they we are & will & be Nationalists…. come what may!

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  • http://blogsjustpeople b.l pandita

    Mr sadip ji
    Thanks for your reply and adding your comments .I know fully well that we were torcherd from 1947 on words by the Muslim rulers of Kashmir . They were always a prducial ,twords us and they were not feeling shy to express it in open . They had become BRAZEN faced . But at the same time the general masses were cordial before 1990 .We used to greet each other on Ied-u -fiter &zuha ,or they would greet me on shivratri ,Diwali etc .we used to exchange small gifts .I used to live in far flung areas ,where their was absolutely no KP population .No one harmed me even if i would bang them .
    But, yes the leaders like Ali geelani , frooq molvi ,mufties ,NC Leaders and chamchas of all of these parties have destroyed this charecter ,only to grab as much money as they can from GOI and invisible sources . PAK , took the benifit .it helped them to be voilent through ,radio pakistan , radio azad kashmir etc . since Muslims are hot temperd ,their thinking power being low by not having far sight and not careing for the end result they react to the DIKATS of any leader .They like sheep, follow him and become ready to sacrify there life for their benifit . ,sitting in posh bunglows and making merry . It is apperent today that these hard and soft liners and mufties gave them nothing but DEATH ,BURNING OF SCHOOLS ,BUILDINGS ,VEHICLES AND MAKING THEM NAKAL PASS BY DENYING EDUCATION .Iam at a loss to understand their this theory .Why canot they denie them .Ask them to stop their SHOP .

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    Ashish Sapru Reply:

    Pandita Sahab, my father once told me & I am still surprised to listen to it, during their first tenure in Govt after 1947natinal conference, he was attending an interview, mirza afzal beg, sheikhs deputy, who was in charge of revenue If I remember correctly, he was at an interview panel to select candidates for Bsc Agriculture. during the interview he told my father that why have you come for interview you can get it in anywhere in India , let muslims candidates attend interview and let them get benefited, Believe me I am still feel shocked when i listen it, if this is the attitude of leaders then are we really a secular country living in. Another point Muslims would tell don’t worry Islam teaches us to give Tohafuz or protection to minorities, I would ask this question many a times why this. As a citizen I should have equal rights , right to life, right to my freedom, religions beliefs etc, what is this tohofuz business in advance, has other person already some thing in mind to harm me that he is talking of protection business, what is this actually? In 1990 the things began to get clear to me/

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    b.l pandita Reply:

    ashish ji
    There is a simple answer to your question ie they are double minded , they say something and do something else . As some one said that Mr hagmohan is responsibl for our exodus .Can they explain how or why he should do it .Where was the govt machinary to stop it.Where was chief minister ,who had the esponsiblity of the safety of his people . Muslims know only double speak , blackmale , killings of innocents , prdejice , forcefull occupaton of others property and then cry maz—loom , maz loom . .OR ham kya chataihn aaa zzz aaa deee . aza—-deee , aza–deee . HOW CAN THEY GIVE TOHFUZ (protection ) TO ANY ONE WHEN IT IS NON EXISTANT IN ISLAM . THEY ONLY KNOW SWORD AND KILLING OF ANY OTHER FAITH . They know only three words CHALIV GALIV RALIV . There is no word in them– COME ON SIT IN PEACE WITH US ., it is only face saving statement and nothing else . The whole world hates them . One country stopped their entry to their OWN MOSQUE , by locking it , other did not allow veil ,burka, ,3rd is also doing same . Muslims are branded terrorists througout the world . Do not worry , they will reap the fruit of their deeds soon .

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  • Sanjiv

    Miss Chadha, Can you let us know whether the gentleman in the flight was a Pandit or a muslim…just curious to know who almost ’saved’ your life…

    I have some very very dark memories of the times you have spoken about…i was just 16 at that time…

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  • http://blogjustpeople b.l pandita

    cont….to ashish ji
    I was thinking the whole night as ,what can be the meaning of TOHFUS ,Urdu term used
    by muslims through out . I came to the conclusion that it means……….

    protection to needy

    We ,KPs needed protection from govt on 1990 ,when our exodus took place from kashmir

    1 TheGOVT headed by Dr farooq denied .He left for ENGLAND only to return after 5 years .He left us to the mercy of millitants or to our fate or to ourselves .He had every thing ie
    police ,armed police ,cid and he could ask for CRPF, BSF Or ween millitary to nip the evil in the bud .

    2 The ministers could interven but they did not ,instead they went in HIBERNATION

    3 The locals did not ask us to stop and stay on with rhem ,They insted kept every thing secrit as they had an eye on our assets

    4 The beaurcacy that matterd and could interven ,did not do so

    2nd side of the same coin

    1 Dr farooq and other rulers at kashmir , provided appointments to their muslim brotherin against our 30000 teachers posts and the postleft by us in other departments .Mufti went with appointment ,personally to them ie MILLITANTS under the garb of rehabilitation

    . 2 GOI ,Our honble PM Is requesting them to come to the round table for talks .They reject it .But the ……is not felt .It should have been other way . They should have requested for appointment from honble PM ……?
    3 HONBLE PRIME MINISTER OF GREAR BHARAT was kind enough to allot 6,000 posts for kashmiri pandits . It was not done in its letter and sprit .Application Forms were made complicated besides many other hurdles , which amounts denial .
    Insted of enquring and trying to know why ?
    HE has announced 50,000 new jobs for them , because they have started stone pelleting , injuring , fracturing ,and even killing security forces

    4 All this , TOHFUS , IS FOR MUSLIMS ,OR MILLITANTS OF KASHMIR . PERHAPS TO GIVE THEM A BETTER CHANCE TO ELEVATE MILLITANCY (truth ?)
    5 Dr farooq raised AA TOO NA MY in parliment resently ?

    So you can understand what is TOHFUS

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  • http://blogjustpeople b.l pandita

    I am reminded of a situation , i saw at jammu during 1990-93, the peak millitancy period .
    All the KP employees were attached to an office . It was nicknamed as MIGRANT CELL ?
    We were attending office casually , at the most to get information , if our pay has been released
    by the sectt at srinagar or so .
    one day i met a muslim ,who otherwise was my friend and would respect me at srinagar . He looked at me with wide open red eyes , showing that he wanted to tell me that AAA ZZAA DEE
    is only a few days away . He did not talk to me in proper way .
    Perhaps he was correct , All muslims had taken out their bank balances from all other banks
    and deposited in jammu&kashmir bank ? They were trusting only that bank .The banks deposit level rose to greate hights . this was their thinking capacity ?
    So they did not get it (azadi) by trying all methods ,millitancy etc for these 20 years struggle and i beleive they will not get it in future too.
    Let them sing their favourit songs , after collecting all the available instruments ,like
    rabab , sarangee ,sitar , violin and piano and sing the following song
    Asi gasi aazaadi we want freedom
    Asi gasi aa too nami
    Asi gasi self ruuule
    latyaay latyaa latyaaa hai hai hai

    With this i close my story .

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  • http://tv-asahidata.com/ dorama

    Can you provide more information on this? take care

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  • Yuvraj Sarao

    unexpectedly u dint end your story by divulging details about ur strange frnd and did u get to meet him again or not .. rather u came up with a clichéd deal firmly with Pakistan…

    nyways a good read !!

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