Sari, sari nights



The Issue: Dancing saris, crouching club rules

The Soundtrack: Rock the Casbah

There’s something funny about women in saris dancing in nightclubs – or as news reports this week put it quaintly, in discos. By funny, of course, I mean interesting. As a colleague who’s never worn a sari in his life pointed out, sari-clad ladies were the rage (and much more) in Mumbai’s dance bars before they were forced to take up needlework. So, I guess, the fact of the matter is that I find nightclubs with people jiggling about funny. Funny as in ‘Good god! ‘What the parakeet is that?’ funny.

Dont cha wish your girlfriend was a freak like her?

Don't cha wish your girlfriend was a freak like her?

But when I heard that Colonel DK Dass and his wife Mrs Colonel DK Dass were stopped at the door of Black, a ‘discotheque’ in a mall in Ghaziabad, I was appalled. They have a club aka disco in Ghaziabad? Who, in their rightful mind, would want to jiggle their flub in a dark hall in a place once called Gajeeudin Nagar where the notice outside, ‘Firearms, Dogs and Babalog not allowed’, provides much mirth to the regular clientele.

But no. I was told that I should  have been appalled by something else: that Mrs Colonel DK Dass was not allowed into Black as she was wearing a sari. I’m still counting. No sign of any pink sari campaign from any consortium of club-going, tight and jitterbugging women yet.

For someone who entered a nightclub much after reaching puberty and just before hitting mid-life crisis, the dark erogenous zones with their barf-friendly, gold-chain-on-hairy-chest-dangling corners are not something even out of a cheesy Saturday Night Fever-meets-Disco Diwane routine. That people come here to have a good time is great. What I don’t get is how such a good time can be had on the dodgy territory of a dance floor. If it’s at Ghaziabad, I doubt we’ll get much eye candy either. But hey, I might be totally wrong.

So coming back to the utter injustice of not allowing saris in a club, the heinous act of the bouncer at Black could trigger a revolution with Mr and Mrs Colonel DK Dass as its double-spearhead. (Suddenly, the vision of Bindu is conjured up in my head.) After all, it wasn’t too far from Ghaziabad where things got outa control when the news of cartridges being greased by beef and pork fat was doing the rounds some 150 years ago.

Think about it. I’ve been turned away from clubs – where I have ventured out to drink and feel the electricity of a well-heeled mob – for wearing open-toed sandals. I’ve been turned away from New Year’s Eve bashes for (hear this!) not wearing a tie. But it takes Mrs Colonel DK Dass in her perfectly swish-friendly sari to get the world to sit up and notice about nightclubs aka discos and their silly rules. Along with her hubby, she might just be the anti-establishment blast that I sense each time I listen loudly to that bomping, pogo-friendly anthem by the Clash, Rock the Casbah.

As far as punk rock goes, this song gets me closest to actually dance – by which I mean jump up and down and once in a while slam my body at the nearest body, stepping on as many toes as I can. As far as the 1982 song goes, it was supposed inspired by the ban on rock music in Iran According to the ditty, the rock-friendly Iranians go on to rock the casbah (a casbah being a Middle East version of a Ghaziabad ‘disco’, I guess). The king orders the bombing of people who are violating the ban. The bomb-carrying pilots ignore the order and play rock music in their planes instead.

(For those fuming at the non-entry of sari-clad women in some ‘discos’, please don’t get perturbed to see an Arab Sheikh swigging from a champagne bottle in the delightful video featuring the band, the aforementioned Sheikh, a Hassidic Jew and an armadillo.

Will Colonel DK Dass and his wife Mrs Colonel DK Dass trigger a nation-wide protest against women in saris being made unwelcome in funny places? Will the couple, and millions of other couples, at least one half of which will be wearing a sari — show the finger at the Establishment, that in this particular case happens to be pseudo-posh, crypto-disco joints?

Move over old anti-establishment techniques like punk, grunge, goth and rightwing rock. The new credo is dancing in a sari at a ‘disco’ like an Usha Uthup on Prozac. As the Clash’s Joe Strummer puts it, “The shareef don’t like it, Rockin the casbah, Rockin the casbah.”

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  • Anusha

    nice piece

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  • Indi

    Thanks Anusha…now to wear a sari and put my mouth where my chiffon is :)

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  • Joydeep

    Mr Hazra reminds me of the typical south Mumbai snob who thinks the world beyond Worli is all shit…
    pity HT and Indian journalism — these are the views of a so-called big shot who shape the news and views of a supposedly “”National Newspaper”"…
    if he doesn’t know his own backyard, how can he claim to be an important part of the fourth pillar of Indian democracy?
    And if he has not visited Ghaziabad ever, he should take time off to do so to enlighten himself about the changing face of Delhi-NCR…
    Cheers!!!
    PS: And I am sure Mr Hazra will have a rejoinder ready to this

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    Lexicon Devil Reply:

    Ah, one of my favourite Clash songs. One of their best and “catchiest”. I like how the crazy scenes of the jewish guy and the sheikh is actually a metaphor for peace in the middle east, perhaps thats what they should do… get everyone real drunk and take out their bhadaas in a mosh pit. What do you say?
    As for the issue at hand, although I never go to “clubs”, I’ve had some guy friends turned out of bars by bitchy bouncers for wearing sandals (in the bloody summer), which is strange because the girls get in wearing anything (I’ve been to a bar once in a sari). Also, while the image of bedouins can somewhat vaguely fit into Ghaziabad (and I should say I’ve only been to Ghaziabad twice), I wonder what the local guitar picker there looks like – Patna ke Presley comes to mind.

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    Alok Reply:

    Maybe the Mrs. should have said saari (sorry) and be done with it. Bad pun, but I couldn’t help it.

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    Indi Reply:

    “Saari jahaan se achha, Hindustan Times hamara….”

    Indi Reply:

    Hiya Lexicon,
    The image of Patna ke Presley has certainly stuck in my head. As for the ‘mosh pit’ solution, it’s got me out of many a trouble…with the side-effects of getting me into new ones. But yes, I can just see the Hamas and Israeli guys hanging out and listening to not only Rock the Casbah but also Hey Jude together…Shalom, inshallah and all that jazz.

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    Indi Reply:

    Ah, only if… Joydeep. I live in Mayurvihar, closer to Patparganj than it is to the Champs-Elysées. But before I sound all very ‘I too come from the bowels of the earth’ — and I love the way you put National Newspaper in double double quotes. It reminds me of my habit of depicting the word ‘fugg’ as four asterixes.
    And, er, when did I claim to be an important part of the fourth pillar of Indian democracy. I have nothing to do with the pornographic industry.
    As for the changing face of Delhi-NCR, yes…I do see the stars shift from my balcony looking on to the vast expanses of Noida. Come and farm with me. Onions or potatoes? Your call.

    P.S. But I know the feeling, Joydeep. Living in Beleghata (you know where that is) I always had plenty of scorn for the typical south Calcutta snob. That’s until two things happened: one, I married a south Calcutta girl; and I left that city. Patiently awaiting Ghaziabad’s first public library.

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    Sonal Reply:

    i really like most of ur articles. and also the way you’ve bothered to reply to most of the posts…feels really nice :)

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    Deb Reply:

    Get a life (and a sense of humour), Joydeep. But Indi, I strongly object to one sentence: “If it’s at Ghaziabad, I doubt we’ll get much eye candy either.” Hey, you should do more rounds of NCR discos, for sure.

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  • Prithvish Chakravarti

    I just chanced upon this article and found you. Your writing brings back the nostalgia of SXC and teachers like Andrew Singh and Mrs Chaudhury. You are still the genius that u were at school. You havent lost that touch. Cheers !

    Regards
    Prithvish Chakravarti

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    archna Reply:

    hi mr hazra,

    you know what.. i had gone to a very hip lounge/nightclub in delhi a couple of days back. no, i wasn’t with friends, but with family, (its extended, extended version.) it was a pre-planned party, and the hosts knew that a few of the ladies will be in saris, and one person will be on wheelchair. (i guess you can guess who).

    so, they asked while making arrangements that saris and wheelchair would be welcome. the management told them that they had no problem with saris, though the sari-wearers themselves may have some! and as for the wheelchair, it was a non-issue.

    and so there we were, a very eclectic group, and a rocking time was had by all. the sari-wearers danced a bit, but mostly sat and ate and enjoyed the music and ambience with the guest on wheelchair. the bouncers were happy to help in lifting the wheelchair up and down a step or two while entering and leaving, though with a stern face (i guess the expression gets entrenched on their faces in their line of duty..)

    what i am trying to say is that rules vary with different places, and it really is a game of russian roulette when entering such places.. either you just pray hard that your whole personality and looks are in order before stepping in (for the first time/extempore), or check with the place its dress/accessories/etc code. better to be safe than ’sari’.. aw shucks!

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    Indi Reply:

    Prithvish, the past is a strange country and I may have lost my passport, but great to hear from you. And yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head. I am indeed a victim of ‘arrested development’ and your euphemism is flattering but wrong. But unlike in school, I now get paid a bit for the equivalent of my old favourite pastime: sliding with socks on along the corridors of Xaviers. It was always about pretending to ice skate in the tropic.

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  • http://www.snobster.blogspot.com Aniesha Saigal

    How about funky town instead of Rockin Casbah? It fits with the location as well :P
    Well written :D

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    Indi Reply:

    Funky town? Er, if you say so…although I have seen an outlet not too far from the Indraprastha buildings near Ghaziabad with the sign ‘Funky Chicken and Meat Shoppe’. The ‘Shoppe’ bit I always find intriguing.

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  • Kritika Kirty

    Hmmmm what kind of sari are we talking about here? i mean surely there is sari and sari and then SARI….not that it is relevant in any way but did not fifty percent of the population drool over “desi girl” and the other fifty percent ( maybe more?) went about in a feverish quest to get the slinky six yard… Anyway I am a firm believer of HDT’s maxim “Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes!” or in this case “a specific dress code”.

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    Indi Reply:

    I wasnt talking about either a sari or a Sari. The type I’m talking about is closer to a SaRi. And dress codes are such a loser giveaway. Even the punk look — spiked hair, leather, ripped jeans — is such a dress code. Give me an Armani and a pair of shorts any time.

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    kanika Reply:

    alryt i get it it’s a free country do what u wish …..njoy :) :)

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    vijesh mokati Reply:

    Sir,
    there must be some other reason also, sari is not alone. women looks much attractive,inocente,and it iseasy to dance(madhuri,sridevi etc.proved

    Smitha Sehgal Reply:

    Mr. Hazra, Iam a regular reader of your columns in HT and yes , i wouldnt say Im a fan , beacuse sometimes I love what you write and at other times just wonder’ what does this guy think of himself ‘

    Iam out and out a sari lover and never misses an opportunity to wear one , be it to work or meetings or formal occasions or casual get togethers. …though I havent carried it far enough to discotheques. So I did sit up and notice when this whole issue about sari blew up.

    Just today , I went through an experience , rather an interesting one which I woulld like to share with you . I was in a conference on Intellectual Property Rights at Radisson and one of the attendees, a waif like, bespectacled girl dressed in tasteless sweater and trousers, a rather loud shawl thrown over, came up me and asked whether I was a South Indian . Inspite of strict hatred for this general categorisation question , I decided to ingnore it and said , yes , I was. When I enquired why she thought so, the reply was amazing … because I was dressed in sari and North Indians never wore saris to formal gatherings. She further explained as to how only people like receptionists wore saris ….. and I was rather too surprised about her lack of awareness and offended at her lack of propriety and decided not to give any explanation , but yes, did tell her how sari was the most elegant, beautiful, feminine and yet dignified dress….. as for the rest, I hope the day she throws away her specs , she will get to see numerous Indian women, right from our President to MInisters to Doctors to Lawyers to other Professionals to Housewives dressed in sari…. symbolising and celebrating different moods of womanhood.

    Deb Reply:

    Totally agree, Smitha. The Sari IS the most elegant, beautiful, feminine and yet dignified dress. And very artful on Indian figures too. Keep telling my wife all the time.

    gookypoop Reply:

    yep…Sarees help drape up and hide some of the extremely artfully well rounded(in all the wrong places) figures of many indian women. we should be more tolerant towards them.

  • meghashankar

    Indi,
    The video’s just our of this world.. and I know your seti-ments for Ghaziabad..but people are ot taking them in good light :D
    But Aniesha I must say its not funky town, on that I would take offense, I was born and brought up there!!

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/indigestion/2009/02/10/blies-btruth-and-the-blog/ kanika

    good going mr. hazra.
    ps wats wid u an open toed sandals ……………………a style quotient ??

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    Indi Reply:

    Thanks Kanika. But what dya mean by ’style quotient’?! When it’s summer you wear open toed sandals. When you’re hungry you eat food. When you’re angry you hurl objects. As simple as that. :)

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    V.B.N.Ram Reply:

    ” Ridiculous ” is what my daughter -the mother of two small chidren, exclaimed, when I asked her comments on sari clad women being disallowed in discos. I can’t agree more with her. However, I was reading a dress consulatant’s advise column in Femina, wherein a lady sought to enquire the appropriate attire for doing the Salsa dance, sari was not one of the permissable attires for the dance, just as much as it won’t be the prescribed ,or even be the functional attire for Bharat Natyam. But discos are not places for such dance forms. Convenience and functionality. in my view, should be the criteria for the ” attire code ” – if there has to be one, for discos. A lungi dressed dancer, runs the risk of having his or her lungi slipped down, in a fast tempo dance, so common in a disco

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    Deb Reply:

    Yeah, true. But functionality apart, people may like to go to a disco and not dance (however weird that may sound). They may actually just be going to listen to the music and see other people dance.

    V.B.N.Ram Reply:

    I agree with what you say. Thanks

    Kanishk Reply:

    oh man ! this article is ridiculous! (here, in Canada, that means insane… which ummm… means great!)

    im supposedly from delhi (i left India 20 years ago…) and although i had to check google maps for the various locations u have mentioned…. the article (the style of writing, mainly) made me laugh hysterically. Which right now is close to impossible for me since i have 4 exams in the next 3 days…. newy…. luv ur style !! keep rockin !!

    PS: makes me want to visit this-mysterious-location-that-shuld-not-be-named on my next trip

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  • http://deleted renuka

    Zimbly Yi Yam Yastonished, Ayyo, Waat A Ting To Say, Saar!

    Saari-Wearing South Indian (Wonly Yin Ssummer, But Yeven Yat Dhisscose).

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  • http://HTblogs.com Ashima Tyagi

    Hey Indi,

    I think sari should be worn out of some1’s own volition and in case the occasion badly demands it. For instance, I do wear it when I attend my bharatnatyam classes since I enjoy the dance form even more when I do so. A lot of women wear it for the sheer elegance it brings along! :)

    Btw…I never heard of ths song “Rock the Casbah” earlier…saw the video n i felt tht it cud hav been choreographed in a better fashion and that could have made it more popular. Wat say?

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  • Amit

    M. Hazra,

    It is not clear whether you are in favour of wearing a Sari to Disco or in opposition. Anyways, what you may desire, it is a world know fact that Sari is the most Glamorous and Sexiest of attires which is acknowledged by fashion designers all over the world. In case, Discos want their own dress codes, then they should specify that at the entrance itself and publicise it all over the place. I believe a girl as well as ladies can dance very well in a Sari as has been shown by Sridevi, Madhuri etc. It is an irony that we play the same songs of these Sari wearing actresses in Discos and on the other hand dis-allow Sari wearing patrons.

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  • Ram Singapore

    Why this defeatist atttiude on part of Indian political establishment and intellectuals? to earn stus of even regional powe Idnia has to throw its weight and project power. After the American retreat and route is complete in Afghanistan the hell hounds adn devils of Pakistani ISI and Taliban will undoubtedly target India! So the best option is for Idnia to build a front with Russia-Iran and bolster non Pashtun Northern Alliance of late Ahmad Shah Masood. WHAT a Joke America’s own nuts are on fire with total loss of face after 10 years of mollycoddling eveil Pakis! Induia has to fight its own battles and prepare for conflict against power intoxicated China-Pak axis or repeat old history of being beseiged by BARAINS FROM NORTH WEST AND NORTH OF GHE HIMALAYAS-a weak Congress party and bubling heirn apparent cannot rpeside over India’s destiny for long- some thing will give away soon in late 2011 or start of 2012…………………..

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  • Anonymous

    I like this straight forward blog and will become a regular reader. This looks better than Vinod Sharma’s inane comments on Indo-Pak issues.

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  • Anonymous

    The only thing USA , India need to understand is that Pakistan is an incorrigibly vile, duplicitous and treacherous entity , which will violate every agreement signed and defraud the other party. So lesson number 1, do not engage Pakistan in any shape or form. Once you disangage ( stop any aid, trade and minimal relations ) , then you can formulate policies to protect yourself from it.

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  • Sqque

    Keep dreaming…Its FREE , where as India has already disintegrated (Pakistan , Bangladesh) Many more to come….

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  • http://www.ideaindia.com IdeaIndia

    Good blog on South Asian politics. Pakistan should not think that they are in control in Afghanistan. Afghans have a tendency to prove everyone wrong as history shows.

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  • raghunath

    Really informative article. but does our intelligencia(?) ever vet this view. they are using AFSPA only to target the Indian Gov and indirectly more towards Army. Nobody wants to realise and address the reasons for the need to bring in Army in a non-combat, domestic matter. clearly the deployment of ARmy means that respective states are unable to protect themselves. Army being a special force, definitely deserve a shield to maintain its professionalism, which i personally believe AFSPA provides them. there may be some excesses, but the people in those regions themselves must introspect, that their tacit support to anti national movements, has invited Army. Why doesnt their leadership come forward to face the challenge? these opportunistic leaders want a protection for themselves and drive the public agaisnt the army. sadlly the Gov at centre is also as stupid, to undemine its own combat forces and keep talking loudly through media about repeal of AFSPA.
    Kashmir is a spoiled kid, due to its special status and will continue to be so. Integration means openness, which is denied to Kashmir. If the GOI continues with its communally political policies, Kashmir risks to be an autonomous state that will pay the cost hard way when Pak / China will screw them.

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  • Kbilaney

    Hi Sumant,
    Many thanks for such a detailed report. Staying in Mumbai, it def. looks like, CNG is the name of the game in future.
    However, some inputs received for a CNG + Petrol car – for which, wud request your further inputs :-
    a) Does Petrol mileage in a CNG+Petrol go down to 50%. For example, if SX4 petrol
    variant offers a mileage of 10 kms / litre, would petrol mileage in a CNG/Petrol variant
    offer only 5 kms / litre ?
    b)If yes, what is the solution out ?
    c)btwn a SX4 diesel variant and a SX4 CNG/Petrol variant, what is preferred ?

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    Sumant Reply:

    When a petrol car is fitted with a CNG tank there is no significant drop in mileage per say. The weight of the CNG tank puts an added load to the car but that is the same as a car being driven with the boot filled with load. In no way does the mileage go down by 50%. On the contrary, CNG is a clean burning fuel and as extrapolated in the table gives a much higher mileage than a conventional petrol car, That itself would take care of any loss of mileage.

    Between the SX4 diesel and CNG, I would recommend the latter provided there is sufficient availability of fuel around where you live and you do not mind compromising on the boot space.

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  • Bvnagarajarao

    very good analysis& detailed report.It helped me to decide in favour of maruti CNG car.B.V.Nagaraja Rao.

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  • Anonymous

    It is because of people like you who always prefer to sit on the edge, the country has come to this passe. The nation needed a strong willed person to lead the cause & we have got it in the form of Annaji. You do not seem to have observed the conduct of Parliament in past few sessions. You may prefer sleeping & let the people wear Anna cap.

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    Abc Reply:

    I agree with you, Ghoda.

    People like him sit on their couch and talk about all the ways to handle critical issues and then themselves are eager to get their work done by paying bribes. If somebody is doing anything, they always criticize.

    What exactly do you know about Kiran Bedi, Prashant Bhushan and Kejriwal ? How do you know that they are corrupt or they are thinking about bad policies. If you are smarter than them, please come up with better ideas or keep your mouth shut, otherwise.

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  • Ravi

    Let me confess: I also find Anna Hazare preachy, prickly, sanctimonious, dogmatic and dictatorial.

    For reasons listed above some clever person has given him the sobriquet TalibAnna.

    If team Anna had stuck to a single issue – corruption – then it would have acted as a pressure group and would probably have been more effective.

    By widening its agenda and attacking other people, it has become just another political party. If that is what they want then they will have to participate in electoral process and if mandated can bring about the Lokbal Bill of its choice and ferocity.

    Parliament must remain supreme.

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  • Rajeev

    Well written one of the most evasive articles where the soul motive is to pose as a super pseudo intellectual which always complains and writes for hidden/unfulfilled populist fantasies but sticks to the banner ….I live my life (you know its my life types), I can talk I can write but will do nothing… .

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  • Anonymous

    Anna is from very begging arrogant, dictator everybody accept his order.His only qualification is he can sustain hunger some day. On this capital he agitating movement against corruption in Maharashtra from last forty years..Remove this minister send jail to that officers this kind of demand he forced on government.He have no knowledge how corruption arises,how we can reduce corruption.? Corruption is very deeply inserted in our psyche.Hindu too much afraid to break the law of caste religion but not afraid to break the law of government.He think himself guilty when consciously or unconsciously he break the law of religion but never feel guilty when he break the law Government on the contrary he think government doing injustice for punishing him. When Laloo Yadhav came out of jail on bail he declared what is wrong if I went jail even Lord Krishna was also in jail

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  • Yahoo1

    Govintra: Anyone in the whole world , who is against corruption is against Congress.

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  • Unkanny

    If you were a journalist in Mahatma Gandhi’s time .. you would have found him extremely preachy, dictatorial and prickly too …geez. Mr. journo, grow up . The Indian janta ..the old man from a village in maharashtra is way smarter than you and able to see Anna and team noble intentions ..beacuse he is not a pseudo intellectual ..he has an intuition and a heart , and the guts to support a right cause when he sees one. Perhaps you see Sonia Gandhi , PC, Rahul and the likes as the the cultured , non dictatorial ones ..well, get beyond the outer and you will see who the real DICTATORS in India are , presicely these ruling people..Grow beyond your distorted intellect and get is touch with reality mr.

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  • NRI

    Brilliant. This is the basic problem with Anna and his team. Just imagine what will happen if every politician, every local leader, every bureaucrat, every dera chief, every yoga guru starts behaving like these people saying that whatever they say is final and should be accepted without debate. There will be anarchy and civil war. Corruption is a major problem besides out of control population in India. But removing corruption starts with individual. If every Indian decides that he/she will neither give nor accept bribe or will not use influence for personal benefit, will not jump the que in any form of life, there will be no corruption. If anyone thinks, a Lokpal will come and sweep corruption out of India, then that person is living in a fool’s paradise. Where will this Lokpal come from? If he/she is one of the Indians, then the mindset will be the same. And obviously no one will appoint a neutral foreigner and give so much power to that person.

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    Ranjit Reply:

    We are seeing what happens when every political leader starts looting the country.

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    Indian Reply:

    Why you are writing on behalf of NRI, I am also NRI and support Anna ji. It seems Arnab Mitra is a Congress agent like Digvijay Singh, whose only motive is to have a weak effective lokpall bill and please congress party

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  • JNSS

    It is the most opportuned moment to check the commitment of the opposition parties (in the Parliament) towards the Jan LOKPAL bill.To change the system ,it is the logical necessity to be in the system.If Anna Saheb does not believe in the parliamentary democracy then start delivering instant justice the NAXAL WAY (& people will bless you for it), if not. None of the current political parties will ever let us see a JANA LOKPAL implemented in the true spirit. Hence remaining apolitical is no longer going to help the cause of Jan Lokpal or the Right to recall. And before we do this we should bring together all organizations (small & big) giving them a choice of fielding their own candidates. We should then go to the public seeking support to bring the biggest political revolution by fielding new candidates from all constituencies across India for the 2014 elections with ANNA ji projected as the Prime Ministerial candidate.

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  • Guest

    Cunningly crafted article to personally attack and malign an ex-soldier who by some unknown who believes in a “mandate” to stand against corruption. Pathetic article by a low life human being.

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    Ranjit Reply:

    Totally agree. This idiot who calls himself a journalist does not address the extend to which corruption has gone or what other remedy is available. Very poorly written article. It’s not an opinion but an agenda.
    - रनजीत

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    Bob M Reply:

    I’m sorry to disappoint you…not an ‘ex soldier’ but an ‘ex army truck driver’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any member of the land component of an armed forces is termed as soldier. Please don’t get disappointed. Understand English. Ignore Italian.

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    Go Anna Reply:

    Bob, When IEDs go off the brave truck driving soldiers get killed, not the generals.
    Take some time off from being stupid and have some shame. Meantime go Anna.

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    pramod Reply:

    army truck driver is also trained as soldier, so one can call him soldier

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  • Ranji T

    I disagree. Corruption, cronyism, autocratic dynastic rule has gone to the extend that countries checks and balances have been rendered ineffective.
    What Anna is suggesting is the only remedy left. And it is more democracy not less.

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  • Gouravgupta

    Anna is steadfast and his demands in Lokpal have been consistent. You could have been steadfast too if you were a true supporter. Enlighten us where IAC has changed it’s stand on any point in Lokpal.. Wish you had asked the same questions about the democratic party president of the ruling party but can not as we do not know her views even though she heads congress for more than a decade…

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  • Rani Sharma

    I think Mitra finds the free speech rights exercised by Anna to be prickly. has Mitra ever written about the corruption which affects the daily life of Indians?

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  • pramod

    ANNA is a people’s movement, not an individual. ANNA, Kejriwal or Bedi provide subject matter support to this people’s movement. The history says how Nehru behaved to keep the power himself and I doubt if we can expect anything different from his descendants. Many in the current political clan believe they are born to rule. See the anarchy, the mayhem going all around. The power brokers, the croons, the musclemen play big roles in determining the fate of the common people. Let me tell you, there would be a day when you will asked to pay hafta to breathe in India. You will need to prove your connection to a politician/bureaucrat to live in India. The rulers in current India….are not they dictatorial ? Do they have any respect for the rules, regulations or their constitutional obligations ? Where should we go as a common man ? ANNA is the only hope who is not only telling about the problems, but providing a solution. He who has done it in his village, who has proved how mighty he can be to fight against the corrupt monsters. Do you have a better solution than JAN LOKPAL ? If you have, bring it before the public. If you do not have accept ANNA, not matter how he is trying to push it through a bunch of corrupt politicians sitting and vandalizing the noble institution of Parliament.

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  • Dev0999

    stop sucking your thumb Arnab.. also stop referring to the dictionary for terms to stamp on people. doers and talkers…. find out the difference between these 2 terms and then realise that you are nothing but a talker. and while you are at talking and not doing anything worthwhile, do write something on the politicians who have been caught with their hands in the till, with their pants down, with smoking guns in their hands….. maybe Anna might have some meaning for you if you remove the filth which is stuck to your glasses.

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  • Gargmurari

    How much money you have taken to write this article from Congress.

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  • Support Anna

    1) Mr Arnab Mitra wants to get his article published by negative publicity
    2) HT is another congress-pro news reporter
    3)Govt is forcing these channels to change the peoples mind.
    4)All the above

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  • Prks

    you are not anna, we know that you dont want to be anna , we also want that, but there is one more thing that we want we dont want you preaching that and dont tell us that you are doing a good job . Anna is under siege , its true, he is siezed with idea of Indepndent India ,corrupt free India , Now is there there any thing wrong with that, if yes then that person under seige to even think freely, he is under siege to make differene between what is right and what is wrong. Seige under idea that whatever is happening in India is correct.

    I can only think who this person can be gues what i got it either u are politician burecrat , o some paid writer to make small attempt to re-establish old colonial mind set.

    piece of advice , linerate you mind . you dont have to like anna ,but like what he is fighting for. whatever churning you do, you will get only one answer . he is fighting it for us as free indian.

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  • anil

    Are you practising an year 7/8 essay?
    Even kids in schools can write better with sensible arguments, now a days!

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  • Chaand

    India is sick need a DESI surgery,
    Will be cured soon
    Non required Indian

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  • guest

    Congress sponsored article. How much money has been paid to you by congress?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think he can have his own independent thought that you and Anna don’t like

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  • Bevinda Collaco

    We, and when I say we, I mean those who support Team Anna, are not electing Anna Hazare to make laws for the country. A substantial section of the citizens of India stand solidly behind him for one thing and one thing only – getting the government to adopt a tough Lokpal Bill. The rest of it, the flogging of alcoholics who beat up their families in Ralegaon Siddhi, Bhushan’s views on Kashmir, FDI, or smearing the holy cows of India Sonia, her son, her daughter and her son-in-law, though of interest to the nation as a whole are incidentals. They are being used by ‘intellectuals’ like you to obfuscate the main thrust of the movement.

    We are interested in the Lokpal Bill. We want the CBI to be under a strong Lokpal. It is a matter of shame that the 2G scamsters are sitting in Tihar, or were sitting in Tihar ONLY because the Supreme Court was monitoring the case. We want the lower bureaucracy to come under a strong Lokpal. Candidates pay up to Rs 3 lakh in bribes to get a job in the lower bureaucracy in government. They have to recover that money.And finally the Prime Minister. He or she should also be answerable to the Lokpal. At the same time the Lokpal has to have balances and checks. That is what those who look to Anna Hazare and his team to push the Bill through are hoping for.

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  • Guest

    His not wearing Anna Cap’s is not going to make any difference to this movement.I would question this person’s integrity before he raises a finger on Anna.I also wonder how a useless article like this got space on this newspaper.

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  • BengaliMyself

    typical case of a bengali guy who analyzes everything, points out both sides, gets a great bang out of it, feels like a intellectual – but really contributes nothing.

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  • Kattooparambil

    The BJP is jumping into Anna bandwagon is to fish in the trouble waters-congress headed UPA is beset by venality. Anna is an antithesis of Gandhian ideologies, who has some extreme views-like violence against people. He is a disgrace to call himself as a Gandhian. He is an attention seeker who is set out to wipe out corruption from the Indian polity and has corrupt ones in his fold and the BJP is also one big happy with corrupt ones in its fold as well. Combination is the key to impact; the Anna coteries and the BJP are the perfect combination-like Tweedledee and Tweedledum. Even more bizarre is Anna is going to bed with the BJP-a member of the BJP’s parent organization, the RSS killed Mahatma Gandhi.

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  • Greatthnkr

    Anna has sacrificed every thing what he has and willing to sacrifice every thing for the future of this country. There is no personal gain for this soul who has led a life of sacrifice for the betterment of the people. Only an individual who lives this life can pass a judgement on a person of his stature.

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  • Virumandi

    Even if you want to, you cant be Anna. Paid blogger A$$Ho!e. BTW, the issue is removal of corruption. Kongross is digging it own grave by throwing muck on Team Anna.

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  • Virumandi

    Even if you want, you cant be. Paid Kongross blogger. Kongross is digging its own grave by throwing muck on Team Anna.

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  • Virumandi

    no one can stop the movement.

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  • Nsharma

    Anything written objectively and thought provoking is labelled as congress propaganda.
    Keep it up ,very well written

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  • Deepak

    Who gave Anna the right to represent all people. I too was supporting him initially, until I saw more of him. He didn’t say a word against the Modi Govt not appointing a Lokayukta for 7 years. And not a single comment against corruption in the BJP. Yet, he has extended his scope to tell people to vote against Congress in Hissur. And he has been bashing Congress leadership with vague baseless statements. Add to that his flip flop on the Pawar slapping incident. And the reaction of his cronies to the corruption issues against them. I still support Anna’s efforts to get a strong Lokpal bill through as also anyone else on the same issue. But Anna’s real agenda and political bent makes him unappealing on the rest of the issues he is extending to.

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  • Anonymous

    I agree with the blog, especially part on being dictatorial. Here is guy that seems to be fighting corruption by not checking that around the people surrounding him and I at times feel he is fighting corruption or the administration in the guise of corruption. I was on his side until it became to wacky in his own circles. By doing what he is doing, he is placing too much trust in the people opposing the govt who themselves aren’t any saintly. One disadvantage he has is that he had never been in administration (pardon me if he had held some position in the past and I’m ignorant of the fact) to know how changes need to be implemented. I don’t think he should try to destabilize the govt (I’m not a fan of any particular political party) to get what he wants –without any clear understanding of what the country wants.

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  • http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com Samir Srivastava

    How many people vote to elect these parliamentarians? Are they true representatives? We need ELECTORAL reforms. We need good education. So that people can make good educated decision while polling. We need to sit down and devise carefully new system in place of our hopelessly broken system whether in India (largest Democracy) or USA (Greatest Democracy, they too have lobbyists etc…). We have the system where GDP is NOT at all reflected in the Quality of Life of Citizens. We need to eradicate misuse of privacy, IMO, lokpal bill is just for corruption in public life… When watchers get corrupted then? Judiciary, PM, UN Human Rights Council, etc….

    Is there anyone on this planet who has not done single WRONG
    (unfair) thing in his life even as childhood activity… Even hinud gods Rama killed Bali from behind the Tree, Krishna (Butter Thief) also played tricks in Mahabharata..

    Sir could you fast for a day for the common man?

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  • NpIrnbru16

    Good article, but do u write same things for Sibal or Sonia?

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  • Sb

    another paid article by Govt. Utterly shallow and baseless argument. Can he say with the other person in the govt? Why object someone who is fighting for ppl. This is a ploy to confuse the minds of the ppl.

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  • TopCorner

    I agree with “SB”. Its not about Anna… Its about people. He is asking for a better future, which Indian politicians were not able to provide to indian people even after 60 years of indepenedence. Only SCAM and SCAM…. Also this article is very much paid… Its quite visible. I haate HT for this.

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  • Indian

    Why do you not write about what you disagree with in the article ??Why are you so biased that any article against Anna is being brushed aside ??His own conduct is suspect with him going maun when Kiran bedi …

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  • PJ

    Mr Indian… Or Mr Aam Aadmi.. Or whoever You are… I hope You are truly indian because what ever you are saying is totaly bluff! and you are trying to convince the people of india that there is a better life after death.. And about HT.. Dear Sir it is the people who are going to make your newspaper number one and not congress so please stick to honest reporting as it is required from a matured Newspaper such as yours or are you trying to gain cheap publicity as Miss rakhi Sawant does so often!!

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  • Sb

    who says you have to agree with him but don’t hinder it.. this is just a beginning.. someone has to start the revolution… u are talking only when he has raised it publicly

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  • Indian

    Very easy to paint some one with tar .I think the points raise by the writer ring a cord with a majority of the people o the country.The country wants answers not baseless comments like you have written.Why not answer point by point i you think you have a point of view ??

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  • PJ

    Hahaha Yes it strikes a point with the people that is why u can see so many people at the jantar mantar!

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  • Indian

    Is Anna some angel that he has no failings? Everybody else seems to be wrong but him. What stand!

    I wish he acted more like JP, at least JP openly supported one party over the other during the emergency.

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  • Irnbru16

    Good article, but do u write same things for Sibal or Sonia?

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  • GS

    Straight from Congressi HQ. Arnab kitney mai bech diya apna IMAAN.

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  • Tina

    I have always supported corruption. I have always supported corrupt politicians. I will support corrupt Sonia and incompetent Rahul Gandhi who has to read a speech , lust like his mommy.
    Rahul’s great grandpa, grandma, father and mother were all corrupt politicians.
    Totally agreed.
    Still I will support them.
    i will never support Anna or anyone’s Anti-corruption movements.

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  • Sam

    You can always find a reason to blame anyone. You are just helping deviating public from the main topic. Personally I don’t care about Anna’s views on other matters. But the issue he is raising now matters most to me. I find journalists like you as a keyboard warrior who will never importance to the main topic, but everything else.

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  • Mohan

    very true. these people are not important to us as they do not care of public good. What is important to all of us is what Anna is attempting to do because that will potentially turn millions of lives around for the betterment.

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  • Guest

    Still another brilliant analysis. Who’s actually deviating from the main topic of corruption? Team Anna members or Arnab Mitra?

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  • Singh

    exactly!!!!!!!

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  • Ravi

    Mr Mitra
    Tragedy of professional class is exactly what you are going through . Before we achieve our objective , we start analyzing our action and start dragging our feet. You must analyzed how your criticism of annaji is going to affect this movement. This movement is against corruption and what kesariwal or x,y,z is saying or how some team member behaving shoul not matter because they are seasoned politician. We should give them opportunity to improve . Yes if they have done any thing wrong action should be taken but government should pass strong lokpal bill. One can see how political class has cleverly tried to buy time and has tried to discredit Anna team. They are not interested in lokpal bill because they do not want to give up their power to loot this country. After 60 years of independence, politicians of all parties have not done any thing to remove corruption. All are beneficiary to loot , some directly, some indirectly. Let us support annaji in this movement. This is last chance to get lokpal bill. You and others like you and me have no time do any thing for this country which this old grand man called annaji is doing at the age of 75 plus. Get up man , do some thing and stop criticizing.

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  • Sanj

    It is shocking to see that most of the main newspapers in India is under the influence of corrupt Indians. I fed up with TOI and for a change typed Hindustan Times in google. Now, look at this article. Another paid penpusher’s unsolicited opinion published here. These kinds of people are the curse of modern India and should be considered as an antinational pest. He is trying his best to stress that he is against corruption and trying to divide anti corruption supporters, but in an idiotic way apparently supporting the corrupt politicians and defaming the individuals who is selflessly leading the anticorruption campaign. He is manipulating the whole anti corruption campaign and challenging the intelligence of the readers. What a shame on Hindusan Times by publishing these third rated article.

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  • Gsmahla

    Who has given any right to this Hazare & the company to speak on behalf of the people of India??

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  • Govintra

    You are right. Let the elected members rule and loot the India.

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  • Sanj

    It is shocking to see that most of the main newspapers in India is under the influence of corrupt Indians. I fed up with TOI and for a change typed Hindustan Times in google. Now, look at this article. Another paid penpusher’s unsolicited opinion published here. These kinds of people are the curse of modern India and should be considered as an antinational pest. He is trying his best to stress that he is against corruption and trying to divide anti corruption supporters, but in an idiotic way apparently supporting the corrupt politicians and defaming the individuals who is selflessly leading the anticorruption campaign. He is manipulating the whole anti corruption campaign and challenging the intelligence of the readers. What a shame on Hindusan Times by publishing these third rated article.

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  • Rahul

    Hope khaungrass paid you well to sell your soul. Thankfully the average Indian is smarter and can read through the paid articles.

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  • TopCorner

    Agree with Rahul. Atleast there is a Rahul who understands the difference in paid and genuine articles. Jai Hind mere dost. Long Live India and lets hope for a better and scam-free india.

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  • Delhite

    Why are u a BJP /RSS guy ??? If any one who question Anna is a Congressman ??

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  • Cynic

    Hello!! What mandate??
    Anna came out alone, people joined him because they were fed up.
    So if you think you are giving some sort of “mandate” to Anna, just get lost. He doesn’t need “mandate” or support of cowards who need a 75 yr to go hungry for 15 days to rouse them out of their sleep.Take your mandate and leave.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    Our biggest problem is, we are afraid of leading a good cause but if someone doses it for us we criticize him or her to show I am an intellectual. I think we don’t need so-called intellectuals like this gentleman.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    truly…….d pseudointellectuals will ruin ol d efforts made by any ppl……

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    I share the same views as the writer. I lost faith in Anna when he started literally lying after “just one slap” remark and his narrow views on FDI – especially his comments about East India Company. Anna seems to me like very simple and old fashioned person, but he cannot go on acting he knows everything.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com Hindustan Times

    ‘anna’ says what he is paid do say, isn’t that obvious?? Whom are we kiddin here?

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  • Guest

    Really? I thought you were anna and wanted to be Anna lol

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  • Ravi

    Mlamba

    If I am from Mars then you must be from Venus.

    Parliament must remain supreme.

    The Parliamentarians are corrupt, I would agree, but they were elected by their constituents. Anna is not mandated by any one.. He is free to get elected and then fight corruption from within the Parliament.

    The Parliamentarians are corrupt because our whole society is corrupt.

    So I think if you look in the mirror then you will see a man who is aloof from reality and steeped into an unreal form of idealism.

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  • Vivek0110

    Brilliant ! My views are the same on most issues. Glad to see someone say I am Not Anna and I dont want to be !! I wouldnt be calling this man my brother by any standards!! India always loves freak shows !! Remember rajNarain and now Baburao hazare and his flag waving ilk who have nefarious designs and are not as sanctimonious as they profess

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  • Glenn

    am in agreement with your view

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Wanted to reply to you, but only in 10 minutes or so, the blog has gone viral and I do not have patience/ time to go that far back. You said people who welcomed Arnab Mitra’s last post should eat crow? why, what is there which suggests that you have discovered a perfect hook for Vijay and Co.? First few lines of Arnab, where he is in total agreement with Anna and his motive, to remove corruption from public life, is all that is supported by 99% of people. Rest is aberration, which must not be there but some how one feels that Arnab is saying here–U unwashed, trying to preach us. While he was silent, when just behind the veneer of being politico ( MPs, MLAs or just office holders), this class was riding roughshod over everybody.

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  • Indian

    I completely agree with Arnab, If there are 2 dangers confronting our country it is anarchist like Anna and the disruptionist like BJP.

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  • http://twitter.com/lofty2304 lofty

    Mr Mitra, you picked on the wrong guy. Anna hazare…..bad timing Mr Mitra..now time for my 2 cents. i totally agree with you. i am shocked and mortified at how intolerant people are for anything negative said against anna hazare. well we are a democracy so deal with it. from lokapl bill …F.D.I….now whiskey….he wants them all… good intention but i love my whiskey …so my viewpoint is “butt out” Mr hazare.. learn to be more flexible…and.. Mr kekriwal….i see a politician in the making and a damm good one too… Mrs Bedi…you madam were my hero still are but show some flexibility.. live and let live… “I agree to disagree with you all”.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shekhar-Lamba/100000180826821 Shekhar Lamba

    Dear Mr. Mitra… It is sad that the media and journalist like you have mess up this country. Like the congress says to team ANNA to contest elections … I suggest before you give your views please prove that if you can be like Annaji ,,,,,,, just fast for 3 days an d I will admire you as the most dedicate Journalist of this country. I will accept that you are not the one who is looking out for stories for fame and wealth….. Jai hind

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  • Concerned about India

    You are absolutely right and our country in in need of objective thinker like you. Sadly people are following Anna as some kind saviour, but people need to put their trust in our democratic institutions.

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  • Aks

    No offense meant but I support this blog for the following reason.
    If u look into the janlokpal bill agenda I just cant understand how the integrity as well as commitment of chairman and members of Janlokayukt and Janlokpal will be under scan. Just by following a complex procedure for their selection does not entitle them as “saint” who themselves will not take any bribe as even the politicians are selected by a very complex procedure.( Voting)

    Secondly, In our democratic country, only court has the right to punish any individual but Janlokpal is considered to b above court as It has even the right to punish any judge of any court without even the involvement of Chief Justice of India

    Thirdly, If caught in any illegal activity, Chairman and members of Janlokpal will be brought before the same High Court and Supreme Court Judges. Now if Janlokpal is above court how the integrity of this case will be judged and what are the chances that these cases will be solved in a pre defined period( just as every other case which Janlokpal will solve). further who will take action if same procedure is not followed.

    Fourthly, In a democracy every individual has full right to appeal in court. And the apex level is Supreme Court. Shunning this fundamental right of citizens is certainly against the constitution.

    Well being a faithful citizen of India, even I support the anti corruption movement. But I am against the procedure followed by this Anna Team. No one is above law and Parliament. We cant forget that we are living in a democratic country and not ruled by any dictator who will define rules and regulation for us.This is certainly the responsibility of parliament and not any individual.

    Certainly many members of team Anna is also facing and faced charges of corruption. Infact we should not forget that a government official has to face rigorous treatment as certain times they have to take strict action against people who in returntplay games with them and even falsely trap then in charges of corruption. How such cases will be entertained.

    Guys no one is saint here. I have seen a case where a chief engineer in a state electricity board decides to disconnect the connection of all houses which have pending bills of more than 3lakhs. But unfortunately that chief engineer was trapped in a complete false case of corruption who came out of it only by getting transfer from that city. So things are not as straight as it looks.

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  • http://twitter.com/IndiaGarage India Garage

    Which is better – cng / lpg / petrol / deisel http://www.indiagarage.com/thread11689.html#post27169

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  • Suratsolanki

    Thank you soooo much, i was so much confused over LPG, Petrol pure and desiel. after reading this I really want to thank to the person who posted it. now there is no single hitch in my mind which car i should go for :) . thank you once again

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  • pradip

    can i fit CNG kit in maruti 800 1999 model??

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  • http://www.facebook.com/sushill.sundar Sushill Shyam Sundar

    You are a rockstar..Very nice and thoughtfully writtten article..Please have a look at the article in the link below and let me know your views.

    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-03-22/news/31225054_1_cng-models-cng-cars-diesel-cars

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    SK Reply:

    After reading the article in the link provided, I am bit confused now. What should I opt for? CNG or Diesel?
    Sumant Banerjee, Please help us. Please suggest.

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  • Shraman N L

    Very good article.

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  • ajay

    very well written. sumant can u suggest CNG factory fitted car in range of 5 lakh ?

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  • akshay

    I HEARD THAT ANY gas ENGINE WILL BE DOWN AFTER 60,000 KMS IS IT TRUE ?
    PLZ LET ME KNOW IF THERE WILL BE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GAS AND OTHER FUELS ??
    PLZ REPLY ME AT katakam.akshay@gmail.com

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  • James Allen

    There is another problem which is not addressed in the CNG cons, that is the cars servicing. The cars using CNG will take up more air and thus the air filter will need to be changed frequntly, it also dirties the mobil so the oil change frequency needs to be increased. These costs do add up.

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  • Rajendra Goyal

    Dear Sir

    I purchase I 20 Petrol on 06th August, 2012 whether it is suitable for me to install LPG kit in my car

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    viagra…

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  • Abhilash

    thanks….

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  • r.k.rustagi

    I bought Santro GLS model 2010 with company fitted CNG kit /duly endorsed in RC by Sunrise Motors, a authrised dealer of Hyundai.
    Periodic maintenance was done. To my surprise all of sudden Engine oil vanishes and damaged the bearings etc including piston rings.
    As per car experts, this is a technical fault and may come up in a few cars with CNG.

    Any advise on how to claim from company /insurance company if pertains to poor performance of engine components ???

    The car is running at 65K Kms.only.

    Please help me
    R.K.Rustagi

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  • Flipout

    LPG by summer 2014 is more then double cheap compared to petrol and usualy gives only 1 to 2 littres more fuel consumption then petrol. Power ( depending on the car’s engine and the LPG system ) can varry from less to more since LPG is with higer ocane then petrol and mixes beter with the air. About engine life, there is a volvo on 470 000 km using LPG next to my house and by the look of it, it hasnt seen mechanik for the past 10 years, soo yeah engines using LPG can survive realy long ( well at least on cars made before 2000 ).

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  • yogesh hate

    I m thinking to fit lpg kit in my honda city will it effect the cng of my car and also will it effect the air conditioner of my car pls help pls give some advice.and which will be better lpg or cng

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