Barbs! Who is amused?



It took Union minister Beni Prasad Verma full one year to come out of his hibernation, induced soon after the 2012 assembly elections in the state. We all know why. Despite the great grand show put up by the Congress, loaded with sop and sob stories, the party ended fourth with 28 out of 403 assembly seats in the state. They were rightly reprimanded by Sonia Gandhi with, ‘There were too many cooks to spoil the broth.’

But then politicians are a hard nut to crack. Beni is back with his vitriol, with some new words added to his dictionary and I am sure others of his ilk would join him soon. Going by their behaviour, it appears elections are not far away.

Perhaps what Beni has forgotten is that his friends turned foes had taken their political lessons in the same school that he too attended. SP leaders are thus retaliating in filthier language – one really wonders how low the war of words would go. Beni calls Mulayam harbourers of terrorists; Shivpal calls Beni a drug addict. They all are ministers and are making light of such serious allegations. How do they expect the voters to believe their words?

But since when has Beni become an astrologer that he is going around predicting four Lok Sabha seats for the Samajwadi Party in the forthcoming general election. He says that’s the number of pallbearers who are required for the party’s funeral procession.

Beni is a die-hard fan of Bollywood films, how come he doesn’t remember the famous dialogue, ‘Jinke ghar sheeshe ke hote hai, woh doosron par pathar nahin maarte hain’ (those who live in glass houses don’t throw stones on others). Imagine, Beni making such predictions while he doesn’t know what his party’s fate would be. The barbs are hardly amusing.

It’s high time the party high commands restrain the loose cannons in their respective parties. After all people expect some dignity in public life even when skeletons are tumbling out of each cupboards.

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  • Anonymous

    “” the need for a strong, accountable and credible parliamentary system is greater than ever before.”

    Mr. Sharma agrees that our supreme members of our supreme parliament are
    not strong, not accountable and not credible.
    Mr. Sharma, Thanks very much for confirming what most of the bloggers were
    saying here .

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    How do you relate what you have said with the STREET Political theater – much the prefered venue for our Parliamentary Opposition Party and other Pressure Groups

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you advocating that the protest on the street against the incumbent govt. and a campaign to create awareness among the masses about the issues like corruption, price rise, black money is hurting the democracy? Even Mr. Sharma is not suggesting that.

    On the contrary, he is saying that the money (capital) is calling the shots. The FM is so scared of it that he had to defer a decision on GAAR till April, 2013.

    We also see how the same money (the source could be business or politics) is also controling the media. We have a significant number of people who blindly trust whatever is shown on TV – Nirmal Baba being an example. Any solutions?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Am I suggesting that or are you??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hi Iswar

    Are you the economist Iswar Prasad? You seem to be as (or more) smarter than him.. I found him quite interesting…

    just clarifying.

    And do visit this blog more often. Also pl meet with Vijay and share too since both of you are in Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi ji,

    I would try to find out who this Iswar Prasad is. I am a nobody living in Delhi and would hopefully bump into Vijay someday – I am mostly away from the blogs over the weekends – time for a bit of life away from the cyberworld. And you know what, I have a photograph of Mohan – my wife and the kid had a chance to enjoy his wonderful hospitality a couple of weeks back in Dubai on their way back from UK.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are talking about your country, which has no parliamentary democracy as we know it in India.

    The blog is about celebrating sixty years of Indian parliament.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ofcourse, how remiss of me

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Mr Ravi

    I noted that you had given lot of gaali to me in last blog. I was busy with shop and computer was doing accounts in day time. Yaad rakhana. If you give gaali to RSS last night treatment will be repeat double.

    Ravi Reply:

    Let us start. I have not had a good fight for a while Mr GandKhotra

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think u r very shamfeull. first you become ladyboy slave of Hafees Saieyed adn now give gali. Very bad

    Ravi Reply:

    And what do u think u are.

    A catamite of Mohan Bhagwat

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    very bad language . You put on image of RSS and act like behroopiya dalal. I think you suffer piles and can only repeat one word all time. RSS RSS ETC

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as you can only use one word Hafeez Sayed. I think yor prostate giving you some trouble.

    Mr Gandkhotra. I can go on and on and Ariston as your guru knows very well

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi kasab ou will meet houri in jannat. In this duniya mere shabd ki churri will give maut to you

    Ravi Reply:

    Can maut be worse than having to read your frookhabdi rubbish

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Your kafan will have you sad dialogue

    Anonymous Reply:

    DOWN WITH THE PARLIAMENTARIANS !

    Anonymous Reply:

    PARLIAMENT MUST BE RETIRED & NEW SYSTEM BROUGHT IN IT’S PLACE !

    Anonymous Reply:

    How ’sad’ that we are talking about 60 years of Indian parliament and not about Hindu Rashtra. It must be surely hurting many here.

    Ravi Reply:

    Everything will be OK if the following happenned.

    1. Make India’s constitution HINDU

    2. Then put a few million people in their place.

    3. Compromise democracy by disenfranchising all the people likely to vote for the oppsition.

    4. I can go on but hey the Hagemonic Owner has just woken up from his siesta

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Mr Ravi kasab

    Why are you trying to make Hindu look like Paksitani dalal?

    Ravi Reply:

    The only dalla here is. YOU

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi kasab you are Lakhiv trained ISI Dalla

    Ravi Reply:

    You are a untrainable but still a Dalla.

    I can and will continue!!

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    you will continue to be ISI dalla? Allh will kick you in bhu_ _

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    mr Manohar you seem to be Sambha type saathi of Ravi in hunt for hurting HIndu feelings

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    You are really fishing.

    There is nothing wrong for India being a Hindu Rashtra, as long as it means it will follow Sanathan Dharma, and not a particular ritualistic religion. In fact, I wish our politicians strive for a Ramarajya or a rajya based on sanathan dharma.

    Come to think of it, I rather live in a Hindu Rashtra (even if it means the state religion is Hindu) rather than in an Islamic republic like Pakistan, Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, or the other scores.

    If you go back in time in India, there was nothing called a state religion or emperor’s religion until the Islamic invasion. One side of my ancestors came to the Malabar coast two milleniums ago; they had a different worshipping style, the local king did not have a problem with that…it was “ekam st vipra bahudha vadanti” then; and it is still the same for most of the inhabitants of this blessed country. .

    Ravi Reply:

    In that case you are not aware of the kind of Hindu Rashtra the RSS is really aiming for.

    It will be a Hindu Pakistan. Believe me.

    Two millenia ago in Indian history there was’nt the same level of politicisation of religion as it is now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I do not fish.

    One particular state religion for India is totally unacceptable given the immense religious, ethnic and regional diversity of our country.

    Even when the British were ruling us and consolidated what we have today – India, too did not make any religion superior to all the others. There were no state sponsored drives or laws to convert the native population to Christianity, though private church sponsored groups did try to that, but with limited success.

    The fact we have a secular constitution is the strongest argument to demolish the two-nation theory and it has – the intelligentsia in Pakistan openly admit it is so, especially after the creation of Bangladesh. Of course, the RSS would not like anything better than just the opposite. Make their version of Hinduism as a monolithic fountainhead, under some mistaken belief that they will be able to control the masses through the instruments of religion and its rituals.

    I am very well aware of the fact you would not mind living under Hindu Rashtra – your posts here are clear and ample indication to that effect.

    The option is not between Hindu Rashtra or some Islamicstan, it is between any one religion and secularism and our founding fathers were wise enough to make the right choice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The biggest mistake our founding fathers did was to write their treatise on religion within the constitutiion. Why even mention about religion?
    How does US operate as a secular country without any reference to “religion” in their constitution?

    Anonymous Reply:

    To make it amply clear in black and white to all and sundry that religion will not be a factor in the state policy.

    The US was did not have to face the problem of too many religions – primarily there were different strains of Christianity only.

    Anonymous Reply:

    btw you fished.
    Shenoy did not say he is upset about the celbration not being the 60 years of Hindu rashtra. . You are the one who coloured it to his sadness that they are not celbrating the 60 years of Hindu nation

    Anonymous Reply:

    Didn’t you notice -sad within quotes. I think not. You have chosen to take me on, as you seem to have a problem with me.

    Have I ever seen you do the same when he continually goes about spreading lies, falsehoods, untruths and innuendos about some of us and others in general and that too in the foulest language? Not that I recall. Why these double standards?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    You are right.
    Institutions all across the world are under stress. The financial meltdown and the subsequent governmental actions have made people all across Europe and US distrustful of government and its institutions and their political class.

    India escaped the meltdown. However, more and more, a large number of people are becoming discontent with a system that appeases one group, that pitches one against the other, and for most part seem to be interested only in making themselves and their crony supporters enriched through unimaginable levels of corruption.

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  • Anonymous

    The institution is alright; it is the “instituents’ who is not alright.

    The widespread belief, as well as reality to a great extent is that scoundrels get elected to enrich themselves..

    So, put some minimum qualifications other than being a citizen – that one should not be involved in any current legal issues, one should not have been convicted..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That this what the Election Commission and citizen groups are also demanding. The question – will the parliamentarians pass such a law?

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  • Anonymous

    As per the original scheme envisaged in the constitution, every five years a new Lokasabha would be constituted. In that sense 2012 would have had an election for a new house.

    We should therefore celebrate shashtyabdi-poorthi of our parliament by going in for an Autumn election. All new MPs should undergo 3 months’ intensive coaching courses in UK and US.

    I can guarantee that the money would be well spent.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Sharma uncle

    Very good article. I think Parliament system is best for us. Sometimes we get bad MP also. Many MP from Jammu and Kashmir take rishwat from terrorist snd also from police. I think we shoud make sure no Pakistani ISI people give rishwat to MP in Kashmir. However rishwat is of nakli note. I dont want to take name. but one or two famous politician was caught with ISI mark currency.

    Sorry my English is walking type. Par Dil hai hindustani

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekar-

    Has this news been published in the local Kashmir newspapers? Or, are you just speculating?

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Even Centre has news. You check up on internt search you will get two names. Many more are there. I dont want to take name here.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Sharma writes .

    Can some basics be sorted out to reduce hostility, restore sanity …..?

    —————————————————————————————

    What are the basic issues?

    Congress and allies think BJP & Co is “Communal”.

    BJP & Co thinks Congress & Co to be “Corrupt”.

    In short, it’s Communal vs Corrupt.

    Then how do we sort out this issue? Do we re-define the terms “Communal” and “Corrupt” ? Do we tone down the the definitions ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Devdutt

    Beautifully distilled down to essentials.

    I would like the BJP to have a full range of Centre Right policies and act as a responsible opposition and not be a single issue – Hinduatva – party.

    Then we will have real choice between two Political parties rather than One Political Party and the other Religious Party

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and two corrupt parties!

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    Ravi Reply:

    O ye of little faith

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think BJP is perceived less corrupt, more communal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi,

    What does it take for BJP to be a real Political party?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Stop being a Religious Party.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is not possible at this juncture.

    Ravi Reply:

    For me the BJP has a choice.

    It can either be a front for the RSS which is RELIGION focused and socially ultra conservative organisation.

    Or it becomes a proper Political party focused on Economic Issues which has progressive social policies which are inclusive.

    Will it ever make that paradigm shift is very doubtful. The reason for that is simple it is reliant upon the RSS to provide organised manpower to campaign during election time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The BJP under the RSS umbrella has no choice. Many of the leaders can occupy that right-of-the-centre space in the Indian polity only if they were to start a new party without any strings that extend to Nagpur.

    Ravi Reply:

    In that case the political fault line will run between the secular and progressive and religious and conservative.

    Sad

    Anonymous Reply:

    Can rose by another name evoke the same feeling?
    If BJP moves away from its religious slant then it would lose its USP, perhaps its identity. You take hindutva factor out, BJP is hardly recognisable or different from the Congress. This might push BJP back by 20 years. They would need a whole new makeup to reposition themselves. So they may not dilute their image from the present position.

    Ravi Reply:

    I doubt it!

    If and when it jettisons Hinduatva, it would need to evolve a new political identity. Which I believe will be Centre Right oriented.

    Under that project its non-Hindutava policies would start to look different from those of Congress.

    It would then have become a real political party and Indians will have a Real Alternative.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Then there hardly any chance of meeting at a mid point. The politics both inside and outside the Parliament would continue to detoriate.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am afraid that is a distinct possibility and one may even go as far as to say that a stealth policy of you know who.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    has your politics descended to this low level that you want to be advised by this jihadi, fake Ravi, about the BJP being a political party?

    Do you think the BJP or the people really care what this fake Ravi thinks or what advice he gives you on BJP?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Both of them are political parties. The orientation could be slightly different.

    But the point is at what level the Congress & Co will not really browbeat BJP as communal ? What is that threshold ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Devdutt

    Congress – with all its faults – is a properly constituted National Political Party with long and sometimes distinguished history.

    Where as the BJP – inheritor of Jan Sangh – is a Religious Party that dabbles in Politics. Had the RSS decided to participate in electoral processes both at regional and national levels, there would have been no need for the BJP. Such is essential need for the RSS – a crypto fascist organisation – to cover it-self with TEFLON that it has developed sophisticated ways of directing the operations (including rioting) whilst distancing itself from the proceedings.

    The Congress – I am guessing – will stop calling the BJP a communal party as soon as the BJP stops exploiting Hindu Religious Iconography, Rath Yatra, distributing Trishuls, constantly trying to move the quint essential INDIAN IDENTITY to become synonymous with HINDU IDENTITY.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Devdutt bhaisahab,

    In J&K all parties which kill Hindus call themselv secular. PDP, JKLF etc. As long as Hindu dead, secular certificate is pucca. Any party BJP, RSS, Panther which protect Hindu from kasb type murder is called communal.

    This secular communal funda is for vote and kursi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You must watch of lots of shaolin kungfu movies. See how they are controlled yet powerful.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Devdutt,

    you are wrong about BJP saying congress is corrupt. The whole country is saying this and that includes other secular parties, AIADMK, BJD, CPM, CPIU etc. Why do you obfuscate this clear-as-day light issue?

    The BJP has for long been saying that the congress party, in its pursuit of pseudo secular politics, is encouraging divisive agenda of anti-nationals like the SIMI, LeT, Hurriyat etc. and now the whole country has witnessed how Sonia Gandhi wept uncontrollably at the deaths of SIMI terrorists at the hands of Delhi police.

    About the reality in Jammu, I think you are the only Indian who doesn’t know it or is refusing to acknowledge it, that the RSS is giving protection to the HIndus against the Pakistani terrorists.

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  • Anonymous

    Another shoot and scoot post (when I went through comments in Vinod Sharma’s earlier post).

    What Gopi said about Marxists in Bengal reminded me of what Rajeev used to say many times. (Why communists become apologists for Islamists). Once I was reading an article in TOI about what Osama wanted for his children (get good education and settle peacefully in west). I came across this reply, which I stored.

    “…I am reminded of the communist leaders in Kerala who send their children to the west for education and employment but curse the western capitalism in their home state. Lead strikes and bandhs to destroy the lives of the others in the state. Deny religious freedom to the cadres but allow their own families to practice religion to the fullest. I think Islam and Communism are co- borns. There are many more similarities between the two cults..”.
    —-

    Manohar brought up an incident where some Hindu miscreants tried to cause riot. Allegation straight away went to RSS, when these people had absolutely no connection with the organisation. Another time he brought up a similar topic (where the people involved were supposed to be ex-RSS). Went into the article. It said, they got out of the organisation as they felt it was not extremist enough for their views. But RSS was in the top heading. To me the attraction of the RSS lies in its openness, informality. (Held in open places, anyone can just go. If you don’t feel like, don’t go. No need to give any explanation for the absence). But people have the problem, it does not have a register. (May be it has at the top levels, but not at the street branches). It is not a school. Why should it hold one?

    I would not like to discuss about RSS anymore. I am not an apologist for any organisation just because I was related to it in the past. Sticking to any ideology is a constraint for a free mind. But I am sure of one thing. One cannot weaken any organisation just by accusations. If RSS were to get weakened by outside forces, it would have fallen long ago. But internal damage is a different thing. That is what I sense is happening now. The youngster who would be joining (if any) has no inspiration to look up to. In my opinion, this internal rot (though invisible) will eventually cause the downfall of RSS.

    Rajeev and Shenoy once asked me, I cannot change mindset of people like Ravi or Manohar. Then why do I engage myself with them? Simple, I like it. So. (In this blog space, there is no pressure on anyone to engage with anybody). I have stated earlier; I have no intention or illusion of changing anyone’s mindset including Ram Avatar. Our convictions have been built for decades and they can’t be changed by some posts. One’s strong convictions can look as a prejudice to another mind. I have strong opinions about today’s Gandhi family. Someone can have their reservation about RSS. Ram Autar has a strong words about Zionism (though I have not understood who Zionists are. Sometimes he says, “Brahmins are also victims of Brahminism. Jews are also victims…”. If everyone are victims, then who is the exploiter?). To me, charm comes only when you speak to a person with opposite views. I hardly interact with Ashish or Gopi (unless I have a differing opinion). What is there apart from clap for each other? Applause.., standing ovation … what next?

    @Shoeb, Shenoy,

    Jaffer Sheriff – Call him corrupt. More than agree. Call him pseudo secular. Fine with me. (For me, ‘typical congressi” is sufficient). But calling him communal causing riots? I will ask you to substantiate it. A senior person need not be picked up for the community he belongs to.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Nice to meet you sir.

    I am from Jammu. My family has seen lot of up down in j&k. Two shops in Srinagar closed becasue of terrorist and Pakistan vilence, employee killed. Jammu shops running. NOw in jammu there is danger of some major happening as terrorist want fight.

    You have been with RSS. You know it is pure organisation talking of good values,truth, not to smoke etc. Then of strong India. I have join RSS as ity give protection. Congress run away with dhoti falling. It go where vote count.

    On blog this Ravi Kasab try to portray RSS like his own Lashkar. As Pakistani he scared that with RSS, India is united and strong. Otherwise Lashkar keep sending Ravi kasab here.

    Vinajji, can you plese tell Ravi kasab and his sambha that RSS is good. Much better than COngress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    bhai shekhar.trust mustad oild ramdev lathi fix all.blog all poosies to ****.all fly long patang in empty sky.u walk.all ramdev lathi with u.jaihind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What kind of protection RSS gives to people in Jammu ?

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Being in gorup sends message to **** Dallas that they will get kick. Physical fitness at Shahka. Plus , mental toughness.

    In case of bomb blast or bullying by **** then we can call each other and plan. Nobdy feel alone now..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay
    Welcome again.

    A major incident happened here near Calicut a two days ago. Chandrasekharan, an ex CPM leader, a true believer in peoples upliftment, and a leader loved by his villagers and nearby towns, was hacked to death.
    Fingers are pointing to all parties – seems like the kurosowa movie Roshomon.

    My prayer is that it be not Muslim league. The state is already tense with them getting a fifth minister (with a total of 6 Muslim ministers in a 20 member cabinet).

    The latest report is that CPM is behind this. His wife has stated that her husband was afraid of CPM killing him.

    Your reading on RSS is to the point. Actually, if there was no Jaya, Nitish, Modi, Naveen etc, Congress can sleepwalk to victory even with the inept Gandhi and arrogant Digvijay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Manohar brought up an incident where some Hindu miscreants tried to cause riot. Allegation straight away went to RSS”

    Me?

    ——–
    To me, charm comes only when you speak to a person with opposite views. I hardly interact with Ashish or Gopi (unless I have a differing opinion). What is there apart from clap for each other? Applause.., standing ovation … what next?

    Bravo. I hope the clapper boys realise that.

    Regarding Jaffer Sheriff – as long as one is on the other side of fence – mere allegations are enough to brand the person for good and repeat the allegations 1000 times a la Goebbels and hope it sticksand it is accepted as the ‘gospel’ truth. This standard operating procedure is followed here too day in and day out.

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    “But internal damage is a different thing. That is what I sense is happening now. The youngster who would be joining (if any) has no inspiration to look up to. In my opinion, this internal rot (though invisible) will eventually cause the downfall of RSS”.

    The question to ask why is it so? Isn’t the same thing happening to the Communist movement? If you keep pushing ‘ghisaa piTaa’ dreams of yore and attempt to thrive on yesterday’s ‘glories’ (real or imaginary), then the new generation is not interested – thanks, but no thanks.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I think you may have been tarred here with my brush. This may have been a reference to the Andhra Pradesh incidents invoving FOUR HINDU youths and one dead cow and a dub of green paint.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope the clapper boys realise that.

    Should I point it when I find you in the same role? I don’t need to go back several pages to find this, you’d provide enough opportunities every other day.

    I must also add that I appreciate your opinion on most of the issues that you bring to the table here – although we rarely agree.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My clapping is not restricted to one side only, if you care to notice carefully.

    I sincerely thank you for appreciating my views and I too appreciate other people’s (including yours) points of view, except the ones that are decorated with abuse, foul language and devoid of any logic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    “repeat the allegations 1000 times a la Goebbles and hope it sticks…”
    - isnt that many doing to Narendra Modi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, you see, Modi is condemned in the courts of Teesta Setalvad and Sanjeev Bhatt.

    Have you not read the papers today? Sanjeev Bhatt has been elevated to the status of a David fighting Goliath MODI AND ALL THE SECULARS ARE CLAPPING FOR RAJU RAMACHANDRAN WHO HAS GIVEN A JUDGEMENT TO TEESTA &CO., DECLARING MODI GUILTY OF ALL THE DEATHS IN THE RIOTS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Welcome back. I hope you will visit this blog more frequently. As usual to the point
    brilliant post. RSS bogey keep on surfacing regularly on this blog and in political
    circle. We, the common people understand the reason why RSS is brought by congress
    and it’s allies and we most of the time just smile and ignore. It is the BJP party which
    does not how to handle this. Instead of countering this with sound explanation, they go
    on defensive and start attacking congress for their follies. BJP urgently need to change
    their PR otherwise their dream of winning 2014 elections will remain a dream only.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you really separate the RSS from the BJP? No, if you ask me. The latest is that Nitin Gadkari will be anointed the party chief for the next two years and this ‘firman’ was conveyed to whoever matters in the BJP by the emissary of Mohan Bhagwat. This can be termed as micro-management. It is all set for Nitin Gadkari to lead the charge in the next general elections. Whether it is a good thing or bad, only time will tell.

    To a certain extent, it is understandable. When the RSS had somewhat hands-off approach, the BJP leadership (under Rajnath Singh) was busy creating one mess after another for itself embarrassingly every other day. Has hands-on approach made any difference? Not much. Then one may ask why is it so? It may be due to the fact that the RSS/BJP is trying to ride several horses at the same time. On one side is the RSS ideology that is appealing to lesser and lesser number (in the 21st century, does the kaali topi and a laaathi appeal to youngsters, who are exposed to a global village?) and as a result it has to publicly show an ‘all inclusive modern’ face so as to widen its appeal. Is it working? Maybe it is early days to answer that question.

    IMO, the problem with the RSS/BJP is the RSS itself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay-
    Jaffer Sheriff is not communal in the sense he is focused only on one group (in his case, Muslims).

    However, I do believe he resorted to using/triggering communal feelings to cause riots – especially to show Congress higher ups that he can mobilize voters after he/his children-relatives was denied ticket. .

    Otherwise why would he organize a protest procession against the hanging of Sadam Husain? This attracted bad elements and resulted in deaths and destruction.

    You are right that he is not communal; however, he uses communal triggers for his own advancement.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    you are right to some extent about Jaffer Sharief, but his recent utterances and joining hands with the likes of Sangliana and trumping up imaginary grievances suggests that he is looking at joining the communal band wagon.

    Other than that, I am also not caring much about what he says or does, because he is a spent force in the Karnataka politics.

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  • Anonymous

    How many examples of Congress brand of secularism do you need?
    a) ally of Muslim league
    b) weeping over terrorists deaths of Batla
    c) saying Muslims have first right to the resources of the country
    d) loosing night’s sleep over the arrest of a Muslim doctor in Australia
    d) offering reservation on the basis of religion

    Before you blame the RSS for aspiring for a Hindu Rashtra, look at the kind of secularism that is being practiced.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Very nicely summed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Secularism in India by some politcal parties is clearly defined, it seems you have not noticed that.
    Anti Hindu pro Muslims is secularism. Accept this or you will be branded as Sanghi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I expected better from you. More fool me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What you say is perhaps true about the Congress (has it gone about declaring Islam as a state religion?), but that does not dilute the allegations against RSS’ quest for a Hindu Rashtra. Do not mix the two.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Iswar

    Actually we had Muslim League party office bearers publishing books on secularism, with congress ministers ‘inaugurating” the book publication.

    Congress here continuously maintain that the Muslim league in kerala is not communal, unlike their brethren in the north. Sonia and co has blessed this approach (I do not want to blame Sonia; she just continued her party stand). And to a large extent, ML did not have any overt pro Pakistan or identification with the suffering Palestinians etc.

    (Congress maintains a non-existing BJP here as communal, uses it as a bogey man and declares that they will join Muslim League in fighting communal forces)

    Interestingly, there are some subtle undercurrents happening within Muslim league. There were two occasions last year when two Muslim league ministers refused/abstained from lighting the ceremonial lamp in connection with the inauguration of functions – one by the education minister Abdu Rabb, and another by the Panchayat Minister Dr Muneer. It was strange that attitude coming from Muneer, who never before in his public life ever expressed any differentiation. His father, the late CH Muhamed Koya, was a highly respected leader all across kerala.

    Because of these type of behaviours, plus an earlier incidence of chopping off a Christian professor’s hand, and other issues, there is a growing chorus within Muslim league that extremist ex followers of SIMI and NDF have infiltrated ML and are calling the shots. A Muslim congress minister, Aryadan Muhamed, also has raised the same issue.

    Congress is in a situation where they cannot order any investigation for the fear of the collapse of the ministry without the ML support. UDF (UPA) has only a 2 vote majority.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    when Modi was winning his political battles and making the congress bite dust, repeatedly, the trolls used to say, “other than political battles, he has to fight legal battles; and the judges are not going to allow him any joy rides. Even if he wins political approval, there is no guarantee his opponents will reduce their fire power( in the courts).

    Now, when the SIT gives him a clean chit and the legal battles are all but won, this troll is now saying he has to win the political battles! Now too, his troubles are far from being over, because Teesta and co are coming with new Bofors guns financed exclusively by the Saudi jihadi funds.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan and Ishwar

    Mohan, in the previous blog, you were wondering as to why I did not launch the next episode of the longest running political soap – M M R R. Three reasons – 1) fatigue 2) someone else would (Ishwar did) 3) Modi’s growing irrelevance as far as I am concerned.

    Having said – just two points regarding the reports of the SIT and the Amicus Curiae, which have been made public. The SIT report runs into 22000 pages,including supporting documents and that will take time for even a single reading.

    1) The trial will go on for a long time, with both sides fighting it out first in the lower court, then the High Court and finally the Supreme Court. Given how slowly our courts work, this process will take years and years to complete. Till then no legal clean chit or otherwise from the courts for Modi and that is not a good news for him.

    2) Other than the legal battles, Modi has to fight the political battles and his opponents are not going to allow him any joy rides. Even if he is legally cleared, it is no guarantee that the opponents are going to reduce their fire power. You may say it is unjust (notice how Nirmala Seetharaman keeps losing her cool on TV discussions), but you will be told that everything is fair in love and war and there is war going out there.

    His ‘troubles’ are far from being over.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Our courts work slowly – must be Modi’s fault!! Why does he need a clean chit from the highest court to be proved innocent? Whatever happened to the theory of being “presumed innocent till proved guilty”.

    2. Political battles – he is quite capable of handling that.

    On the sides, you also quip about Modi’s growing irrelevance – seriously? Even a handshake create ripples – signs of becoming obscure, surely.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishawar,

    “presumed innocent till proved guilty”.

    This does not apply to Modi. He will be presumed guilty even after
    he gets a clean chit from Supreme court.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    1. Of course. Not Modi’s fault. What one can do if our justice system works at a snail’s pace? In our system, the option is always available to the ‘aggrieved’ party to appeal to higher court and the Supreme Court is the last stop. Till such time, the person will remain under the ’spotlight’. The world is a very cruel place and politics even worse.

    2. Political battles. I meant his national ambitions (if any). As I said the fire power is not going to be reduced. My view again.

    If you think he can handle it himself – good luck. I have said many times, come this December, he will win the assembly elections. It is no big deal for him, but New Delhi ………?

    3. I said to as far as I am concerned (you need not agree with me), as I believe he has reached dead end as far as New Delhi ambitions are concerned. This is my reading. One of the strongest indications by the RSS is reappointment of Nitin Gadkari as a President for a second term. Mohan Bhagwat needs a ‘pliable’ person and not a person with a mind of his own either as Party’s president or PM. Only A B Vajpayee was able to keep Sudarshan at bay.

    I thought I had given a correct perspective about the handshake photo-ops. I did not even raise the issue, only responded to what Mohan had raised.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Still that Hindu Rashtra dilemma is haunting us. You directed me to few obscure sites, I will go there eventually, but really speaking, I wanted to have your input here. What is the gist of those sites? Who is conveying that message? How authoritative that source is? Can it be verified? How old that statement is? How many people are following that? Before one forms a firm opinion, please let us discuss this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You keep catching me when I am about to call it a day (it is 1 AM here).
    Hopefully, I will respond to you in detail tomorrow, so that you can read it then or the next day. We can continue after that. That is a promise.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj and Manohar

    I look forward to this debate.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You are welcome.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even I am looking forward to that.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    mohan;
    You are more than welcome.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Appreciate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Allow some more time. I have to do a lot of cross checking before I post anything.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘India becoming prone to intolerance of freedom’

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/India-becoming-prone-to-intolerance-of-freedom/Article1-852021.aspx

    India-born controversial author Salman Rushdie has turned his ire against his home country, saying that creative works of artists are increasingly being assaulted by religious groups. India has become “very prone” to the idea that “you should not rock the boat,” he said, in an expression of concern over what he called the growing intolerance to freedom of expression in the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    he just wants to be in the news, especially when he senses a loss of media space covering him

    I have come to the conclusion that his so called blasphemy was a deliberate attempt to get worldwide attention – “Satanic vverses” takes off, he takes off, an arch enemy of US, Ayatolla khomini, gets villified…Jews start loving him because he upset the Ayatolla, a critic of zionism…

    A perfect plan -

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not think so. Nobody likes to have his freedom curtailed.

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    Ravi Reply:

    But please allow Gopi is ta penny worth of anti muslim rant. It comes in handy to control his IBS

  • Anonymous

    India’s god laws fail the test of reason
    Praveen Swami

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3391109.ece?homepage=true

    Early in March, little drops of water began to drip from the feet of the statue of Jesus nailed to the cross on the church of Our Lady of Velankanni, down on to Mumbai’s unlovely Irla Road. Hundreds began to flock to the church to collect the holy water in little plastic bottles, hoping the tears of the son of god would sanctify their homes and heal their beloved.

    Sanal Edamaruku, the eminent rationalist thinker, arrived at the church a fortnight after the miracle began drawing crowds. It took him less than half an hour to discover the source of the divine tears: a filthy puddle formed by a blocked drain, from where water was being pushed up through a phenomenon all high-school physics students are familiar with, called capillary action.

    For his discovery, Mr. Edamaruku now faces the prospect of three years in prison — and the absolute certainty that he will spend several more years hopping between lawyers’ offices and courtrooms. In the wake of Mr. Edamaruku’s miracle-busting Mumbai visit, three police stations in the capital received complaints against him for inciting religious hatred. First information reports were filed, and investigations initiated with exemplary — if unusual — alacrity.

    ========
    - Read on

    That reminds me of 1995 nautanki of Ganesha idols drinking milk.

    Aug 21, 2006
    NEW DELHI: In a re-run of the September 1995 frenzy when Ganesha idols were said to be drinking milk offered to them, devotees reportedly thronged temples on Sunday night, making similar claims. This time, however, all idols were reported to be drinking milk.

    This followed some reports received from other parts of the country, particularly UP, earlier in the day. Shiv Mandir in Uttam Nagar and Shri Ram temple on Aruna Asaf Ali Marg in New Delhi witnessed a heavy rush.

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  • Anonymous

    Well, India has come a long way in 60 years. Several things to boast of, more things to take care of.

    A committed, purpose driven parliament is needed to solve the immense problems that still remain with us – poverty, urban-rural and other divides, sanitation and health, efficient government, unaccountable bureaucrats, infrastructure, inability to prevent Islamic terrorism from outside etc etc.

    This would have been a good time to get US on India’s side and get into a crash program to solve some of these . US needs business, India has money to spend. But India’s constant internal dilly dallying – who is in control, is Sonia in line, has Rahul been consulted — the total lack of vision and bold programs – is not leading Indians anywhere; with all these problems left for the individual to solve.

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  • Anonymous

    Folks Vinod Sharma has written a most BANAL BAKWAS ,that i have ever read anywhere.I think his “EARNINGS” from TV appearances have sapped all the zeal for this blog .I mean I dont know what he expects , THE MP’S ARE ELECTED FOR GOD’S SAKE AND NOT NOMINATED , A MAWALI SOCIETY WILL SEND MAWALI MP’S.So he should have delved into the causes of descent of indian society into the morass of WICKEDNESS.that is all around.
    now i want the bloggers to help me with this riddle
    I have a voracious apetite for all sorts of information.I was watching Bangladeshi “Quoran TV”".The mullah answering the telephone calls or questions said “I know we use the word SHUKRABAR(Sukkarbar in Hindi) {Friday} BUT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE PEOPLE TO USE THE WORD JUMMABAR.
    Now with this scenario you would ask all bangladeshi to make ARABIC their national language.
    but here is the riddle, I watched another bangladeshi chanel (9), and their were MUSLIM bangladeshi so devoted to Tagore and his songs , THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS NOT PREPARED FOR.
    Which is the real picture of bangladesh

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan-
    Hopefully a Bengla Deshi blogger can answer.. There used to be a BenglaDeshi who used to blog with us on Zia’s blog – I do not see him heer in Sharma’s blog

    My take is that in general there are more “bengali” “tagore” oriented Muslims there than the Arabic/Pakisatni type. I also think, from what I read in the US press, the Begum Khaleda/army gang is extremist Mullah oriented.

    They did ban the extremist Mauduidi books from their schools and libraries.

    Their economy is growing well; so people will be more focused on finer things in this life than rushing upstairs to the 70 virgins. But then Saudis are wearing the belt not for want of money.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My take is that in general there are more “bengali” “tagore” oriented Muslims there than ………..

    That was one of the main reasons for East Pakistan breaking away from the West.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    it is also a joke history has played on those Muslims, who have been highly arabicised, who have been calling Friday, Jummabar for centuries who have been refused Pakistani citizenship since 1971. These pro-Pakistani Banglas have been thrown to the wolves by the Pakistanis despite the great help they gave them in the murder and rape of 3million of their fellow Banglasby the Pakistani army in 1970-71..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    The Pakistani propaganda is Indian army raped all of them…There is a Bengali (on our side) HR activist lady who wrote a book about it — I forgot her name; will find out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Shenoy

    A common ‘joke’ is regularly shared among Punjabi Pakistanis
    that all Bangladeshi’s are ******** as all their ladies were
    raped by men from Pakistan army in 1970-71.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS/Mohan

    The HR activist/author name is Sharmila Bose.

  • Anonymous

    In Lok Sabha, a congress MP, during his speech, told a story…..

    “There was a father who gave 100 rupees each to his 3 sons and asked them to buy things and fill up a room completely.

    First son bought hay for Rs. 100 but couldn’t fill the room entirely.

    Second son bought cotton for Rs. 100 but couldn’t fill the room entirely.

    Third son bought a candle for Rs. 1 and lit it up and the room was filled with light completely.”

    The MP added

    “Our Prime Minister is like the third son. Since the day he has taken charge of his office, our country is filled with the bright light of prosperity”

    A voice from the backbench asked:

    “Woh sab toh theek hai…but where is the remaining Rs. 99?”

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  • Anonymous

    Strange world of the Congress and the BJP

    The Raje red flag

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-raje-red-flag/946719/0

    The regional leader, who may have proved himself or herself at the hustings, is kept in a state of permanent insecurity vis-a-vis competing leaders and rival factions. The central leadership blinks at the jostling at state level, occasionally stokes it and does nothing to douse the fires until they threaten to consume the party’s prospects in the next polls. This is the story so far and it reads like a typical Congress tale from the states. But it isn’t. It is, in fact, a rough description of the now-receding drama in the Rajasthan BJP, where Vasundhara Raje, the BJP’s most visible leader in that state, who commands the loyalty of the majority of its legislators, had threatened to resign — again. The events that snowballed after Raje objected to the proposed Lok Jagran Yatra by senior RSS-BJP leader Gulab Chand Kataria, had climaxed in a manner that recalled a similar moment after the BJP’s defeats in the assembly and Lok Sabha polls in 2009.

    ———-

    Read on.
    How to beat some sense into these two largest parties, as they seem to be afflicted with some ‘death’ wish? Any ideas?

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  • Anonymous

    Drought-hit Maharashtra villages losing patience

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/article3394923.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    Malabai Solankar has been waiting since six a.m. on Saturday to collect fodder at a makeshift depot in Sordi village in Sangli’s Jath taluka. Now well past noon, she is struggling to not to lose her patience, as are others gathered there. Located on the Maharashtra border, Sordi is part of 41 villages that have been threatening to push for merger with neighbouring Karnataka if the Maharashtra government fails to provide relief in view of the current drought.

    In the last one month, politicians have paid them visits and promised relief from the government but nothing has transpired.

    ————-

    Asked if she would support the Gram Panchayat’s move to be a part of Karnataka, she says: “What else can we do? We are tired of the government. Assurances don’t mean anything unless there is concrete follow-up action.” Pomegranate farmer Pandurang Kale echoes her sentiment, saying: “The Ministers have turned our villages into drought-tourism spots. They come and see and tell us they will come back. We haven’t even been getting water tankers on time. They promise to send the tankers every day, but we only get water once in three days.”

    Union Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar and Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan had also visited the region in the last month. Congress general secretary Rahul Gandhi visited the neighbouring district of Satara.

    “The Ministers come and then blame each other. We would have benefited more if the money spent on their trips was utilised for providing water,” Prakash Sopale says. “I spent Rs. 20,000 on digging a well, but even at 1,000 feet we didn’t get any water. Even my pomegranate fields have gone dry. I cannot spend any more on keeping them alive.”

    ———

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We will have another wave of farmer suicides there!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,,

    I had seen a brilliant cartoon when few days back Rahul Gandhi
    had visited poor farmers in Maharashtra.
    Rahul Gandhi was shown asking two skinny half naked
    farmers that what they were growing. The answer was
    ” we are growing Kalawatis”

    I am sure you would remember Kalawati whom Rahul Gandhi had met
    about two years ago and mentioned her in his speech in parliament.
    After about a year son in law of kalwati had committed suicide.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    That is what is called a cruel joke!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Politicians will be politicians. Promises will be promises.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hope not.

    That is why I keep advocating – we have to build water security on a war footing.

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  • Anonymous

    ” But there’s no easy way of reigning in Capital— calling the shots from outside— without the instrumentality of a robust Parliament.”
    I could not agree more with Vinod Sharma. Not just a robust Parliament but also a truly independent Judiciary , and strong Regulators. But would it be possible to reverse the trend … when money power has already overtaken most of our lives. To my mind the recent initiatives to create a large-scale mass awareness and a resistance to efforts by Capital to “buy -out” has come from non- political leaders like Anna Hazare / Baba Ramdev/ Sr Sri Ravishankar . who inspite of their shortcomings still enjoy considerable credibilty with ordinary people . Atleast they have succeeded in bringing these issues centre-stage. The established political class cannot be expected to do much about it as they are too deeply invoved in it as they have been its beneficiaries. So far we have not seen any sincere effort by the Parliament to start the process of Reform and cleansing .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Saxena,

    Very nicely put. I couldn’t agree more. If the national media (not essentially English) wants, it can generate a campaign to start the process of cleansing and reforms. It could be a big pressure group – if it wants to. As it stands, most of it is happy to promote the incumbent govt.’s agenda.

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  • Anonymous

    Bhai Sahib Bhai Mohinder Singh Ji

    Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh ji from Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha, Birmingham being awarded a knighthood from the Roman Catholic church for their outstanding work in world religions and Interfaith diversity. Bhai Sahib Mohinder Singh Ji has been created a Knight by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI in recognition of his dedicated work to Roman Catholic Sikh relations and for his enthusiastic commitment to working for peace among people of all faith
    ———–

    Just observe how the Kirtan is being performed in the church! Haven’t seen a moment like this ever! This is what the world needs – coexistence of all in peace and harmony.

    That is what we need. Not Hindu this, Muslim that, Christian this,…………..

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  • Anonymous

    News from the extremities

    The “national” media have been consistently lukewarm to the concerns of north-eastern India, but now it appears the neglect of south-west has begun. AMMU JOPEPH finds a startling example in the coverage given to the murder of an RMP leader in Kerala.

    http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=5914&mod=1&pg=1&sectionId=1&valid=true

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I have been talking about that here.
    I just hope the killer is not a Muslim league member. The place is already tense with the Msulim League getting a fifth minister.
    As I mentioned, the whole thing so far reminds me of the Roshomon movie – One group of CPM says ML did it, another says Congress did it, ML says CPM did it, Congress says CPM did it. .

    he had his own strong following; a very well-liked leader. He left CPM two years ago because of CPM corruption and their focus on middle and upper class instead of the poor ones.

    Although CPM had killed defectors in the past, the timing here looks quite suspect. There is a bye election in the next few weeks (where another CPM guy resigned a sitting seat and now is contesting as Congress); and CPM is not that stupid to kill a defector just before a bye election.

    They have caught some of the killers; it will take a long before knowing who sent them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes I had read your post but I posted this link because surprisingly
    mainstream media had not reported this news prominently.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, it is just one murder!

    I am sure they will cover if it spreads and therer are reciprocal actions — plus if the trail ends up in a leader.,

    The PCC president and a minister were in the post mortem theatre raising questions as to how did they end up there so fast, why were they given entry to the room ec…

    The dead leader is an Anna Hazare type (although his party is aclled Revolutionary something)
    All elements of a movie thriller!

  • Anonymous

    what happened to Vijay Kumar– He has been absent for an unusually long time–almost 2 days!

    Did they finally manage to get him as a naukar; is he attending NIT (naukar in training)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Looks like he is enjoying company of donkeys more than we bloggers.
    (: (: (:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Vijay is perhaps little shy while his mentor being so proactive all of a sudden. Imagine how Raj Kumar would have felt had his own dialouges repeated in his presence by somebodyelse ! Rajkumar would rather prefer a smoke in the rest room and wait !

    Jaani ( vijay ) ! jo dialogue tum maar sakte ho, woh hum bhi maar sakete hain ! Hum naya Varun Gandhi hain !!!

    [ Dialogue must be echoing in the rest room ! Take a deep drag, my friend, Vijay ! ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,
    the blog is yours and you can attempt todo anything including trying your hand at jokes.

    But take a friendly advice. Leave all this joke making to Mohan (and once in a way to yours truly, of course)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I understand your plight !

    That was a classic bend-like-Bekham shot all “football goalkeepers” dread.

    From the gallery, you wouldn’t know where the ball is headed. Just enjoy your channas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When one gives it back – it really hurts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No. In this case it wasn’t giving it back by anybody.

    When somebody takes away one’s USP and uses it cheaply, it hurts. Vijay helplessly watched his tools being used badly and that must be really hurting him.

    I always told Vijay those tools ( he was using ) were cheap chinese crackers anybody could burst, but he wouldn’t listen. Finally, somebody ( Vijay’s mentor Varun Gandhi ) demonstrated the usage of cheap chinese crackers ( on R ) blatantly and he understood. Didn’t you notice Vijay’s Advanisque explanation to the new Varun Gandhi ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Instead of haath, zubaan kaatne ki baat chal rahi hai. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody can keep company of donkeys for more than an hour or two.

    Vijay Kumar must be in the company of the opposite sex and as per the theory of relativity, he has lost count of the time!

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  • Anonymous

    Am neck deep in work now…

    A bit of travel is also on the offing. So it would mean a curtailment of blog presence for a little time…

    I am sure a lot of people have a reason to rejoice ! :)

    Well… will miss the blog for certain!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Take care of yourself. Be safe.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Safe from whom? ;-) ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    What would have been people’s judgment if Afzal Guru bombed parliamentarians at some outside meeting place and not in the parlaiment?

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  • Anonymous

    SC strikes down Haj subsidy, sets 10-yr elimination deadline

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sc-strikes-down-haj-subsidy-sets-10yr-elimination-deadline/946838/0

    The Supreme Court on Tuesday struck down the government’s policy of giving subsidies to Haj pilgrims and directed that it be progressively “eliminated” within a period of 10 years.

    “We hold that this policy is best done away with,” a Bench of Justices Altamas Kabir and Ranjana Prakash Desai held.

    ——-

    Read on.

    Good decision. The state must get out of all religious funding.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    State should stop seizing money from Tiruipati, Gurvayoor, Sabarimalai etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Does it? I am not aware of it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the congressi troll doesn’t even know that the governments everywhere are dipping their hands into the Hundis of all big and not so big Hindu temples and loot the temples of the moneys donated by the devotees.

    It is also an ill-concealed secret that the governments take it as a matter of right to loot the temples and the moneys so looted is spent for the adventures like Haj subsidies, to gain minority votes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t think it happens in Gujrat or Karnataka !

    Anonymous Reply:

    It does and on a large scale.

    Gujarat and Karnataka are only carrying on the traditions set by their predecessors.

    Anonymous Reply:

    the scoundrel Jagan Reddy visited Tirupati few days ago. Seems they have a rule that anybody belonging to non-Hindu faith has to sign a declaration that they believe or respect or something like that to Lord Venketeswara.. He did not, giving some excuse…—

    He must be going to all the temples he can get in these days now that CBI is closing in…

    I think YSR was killed… Any thoughts here?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    YSR Reddy even appointed Christians as workers inside the temple and allowed a church to be started in Tirupati.

    Only after massive protests led by ZShankaracharya, did the government changed tack.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Now what are you going to do, now that it has been emphasized to you that I do not even know that the Governments everywhere are dipping their hands into the Hundis (all started by the Congress governments and the BJP merrily continuing the loot in Karnataka, Gujarat and also in MP, Chhattisgarh and HP)? Are you going to scold me or make fun of my ignorance?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    An old article by Stephen Knapp

    http://www.stephen-knapp.com/threat_against_hindu_temples_and_vedic_culture_in_india.htm

    Anonymous Reply:

    More loyal than the King himself. He is surely exaggerating.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Non-Hindu leaders such as Anthony, have talked about the impact of these types of things, but he was silenced by higher ups at the insistence of other “”minorities”.
    The issue, may be good, may be bad is that – the stupid people were ran over by uncultured Pathans and other barbarian Muslims; the difference now is hat they are being run over by their secularist masters. It is shameful all around

    Anonymous Reply:

    But he is exaggerating for sure. I see no evidence of what he claims is happening in India. In fact on the contrary – more and more temples and places of worship are being built.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, people are building new ones – lots of new mosques, a little less churches, and a very few temples (here in Kerala; may be all across India too).. At the same time, historical/mythological temple structures are abandoned ..Here is where I admire Chinese (never again), Japanese, Americans…history, rootedness, they are all important — ipads will come and go

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    this congressi troll, has shed copious tears for a dilaidated, disused, unusable, disputed Babri masjid-Ramjanmabhoomi temple being brought down by frenzied mobs.

    But after reading this he is still spewing sarcasm by saying “more loyal than the king”…

    “Under the Temple Empowerment Act, about 34,000 temples had come under government control. Only 18% of the revenue of these temples is said to be given back for temple purposes, while the remaining 82% is used for other things by the government at their discretion. Such looting, massive sale of temple lands, demolition of temples, encroachments of temple properties, and the utilization of aggressive religious conversion tactics by Christians in the vicinity of temples is occurring all over Andhra Pradesh. The government, which is supposed to be a protector has become a destroyer of the culture, which threatens the very existence of Hindu institutions….”

    Anonymous Reply:

    All started with the Nehru monkey business of common civil code, but essentially ended as Screw Hindu civil code….

    Let me tell you- our churches are sitting on zillions of rupees (and dollars), large rubber estates — do you think any politician will have the guts to touch it? Last time anybody attempted it was in 1959, under EMS Namboodiripad’s communist govt — guess what, the great secularist Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi ,, the then AICC president, worked behind her father to dismiss the ministry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Is dipping into temple funds by the governments allowed due to the Hindu Civil Code?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Temple and temple funds are government property that cold be used for anythig, including the funding for haj or trip to bethlehem (as YSR did)..

    We have huge IAS departments and “boards” to steal this money.

    Try that secularism on Wakf board or the bishop’s palace. (isnt it odd that the Great shepherd’s message handlers live in “palace”??)

    Anonymous Reply:

    My contention has been clear – hands of all religions.

    My query (not yet answered) is based on your post – Hindu Civil code and temple funds.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nehru, in his idealistic goal of bringing all Indians under one sh–, started the notion of a common civil code. After strong opposition, he felt he should bring all hindus under one sh–, and then others will follow. That also faced a lot of opposition. Eventually some pieces, such as Hindu
    adoption and marriage, joint family property etc came under this sh—..

    As a continuation of this sh–, Hindu temples and charitable act was passed in 1956 or 57 which basically gave powers to the states to take over Hindu temples, its lands, its properties.

    Almost all state govts “rose” to the occasion, forming huge IAS machinery. Many states have a combination of boards/govt departments. In kerala, there are three Devaswam boards (some of them have Marxists as chairmen, and Christians as members), under the secretary of Devaswams.

    .

    Anonymous Reply:

    All very well. It is all Nehru’s fault.

    Having said that why hasn’t the one and only Narendra Modi not abolish government control of temples in Gujarat? He has been there for 11 years and even before that BJP has been in power since 1989 or thereabouts?
    On the contrary, the BJP governments have started paying salaries to the temple priests (in the name of equity, fair enough). Any answers?

    I keep saying the Government has to get out of the racket called religion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There you go. This is what the Karnataka govt. did…

    http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=13420&SKIN=B

    Under BSY’s leadership ruling BJP is gradually liberating the temples from Government control back to the hands of devotees and Hindu organisations. Also BJP government is returning the money ollected from temples for it’s development.

    ======

    Enjoy!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    You can be naive. Let me play Devil’s Advocate a la Karan Thapar.

    Government dipping into temple funds has been news to me and that would mean the money is collected by the State Treasury and is accounted for (whether it is ethical or not is not the point) .

    Now, perhaps a large chunk of the money that is not collected officially will go to ……… (make a guess) unofficially.

    Mera ‘Rashtra’ Mahaan.

    Enjoy!

  • Anonymous

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    There is a song in our language.

    Kamainyo thava naron ta kholyo hik tikaron.

    This means, if you want to make money open a temple . One of the most
    profitable business in our country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And if you want to make still more money become God yourself!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The easiest is to become a politician…what about that guy –congress ward member in mumbai..and thousands like that!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    1) Kripashankar Singh.

    2) That has certain risk of being caught. Temple business is out of bounds of the Income Tax Department.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why only temples? Open a madrassa or a church. paisa hi paisa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now perhaps you will realise as to why the Sangh Parivar desperately wishes to build that temple in Ayodhya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let the Congress build it and keep the money!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since when the Sangh Parivar become so magnanimous? Instead, they ‘want’ Muslims to be so by giving up their claim on that land, where once the Babri Masjid stood

    yeh kaisaa chamatkaar hai?

  • Anonymous

    How cheap and petty can Sonia Gandhi get?

    Not just coincidence

    In the Congress, No 10 is short form for 10 Janpath, residence of Sonia Gandhi, while No 7 stands for 7 Race Course Road, home of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. Nominations to the Rajya Sabha in the special category are made either by No 10 or No 7 and only a few candidates bear the 10+7 stamp. RS members like H K Dua and Ashok Ganguly were No 7 appointees. But the three new appointments this year—Sachin Tendulkar, Rekha and Anu Aga—all bear the unmistakable stamp of No 10. There has been much conjecture at Rekha’s nomination since the actress is not known to have any special social or political interests. The surmise is that Rekha was selected from a long list of eminent film personalities to embarrass Jaya Bachchan, an elected SP MP, as Rekha’s name has been linked with Jaya’s husband Amitabh Bachchan in the past. Allotting Rekha a seat immediately behind Jaya was clearly more than just a coincidence. On Jaya’s request, the seats have since been changed.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-be-continued/945864/0

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  • Anonymous

    What are chances that Amir Khan would make an episode on Corruption in Satyamev Jayate?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good to very good.

    I would even say excellent.

    I would strongly commend such an attempt by him.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    What are chances that Amir Khan would make an episode on Communalism in Satyamev Jayate?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think he will

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are most probably right. He will not touch that subject. And he must not. Else, he will be booed, ridiculed, discredited and whatever chance he has to do good things in life would also be lost.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What are the chances that shall make an episode on Fake Secularism in Satyamev Jayate ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No chance. He is sensible.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Which is why the subject of pseudo secularism should appeal to him enough to make an episode on it. A genuine one on fakes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What are chances that Amir Khan would make an episode on Communalism in Satyamev Jayate?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean he shall be sensible and he shall not dare …or else he shall also be hounded

    Anonymous Reply:

    I couldn’t have been straighter with my reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Getting scared is also being sensible.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Genuinely, I never thought you to be a scared person.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I was talking about
    Aamir Khan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought your statement was a universal truth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is a universal truth but some courageous fools challange that
    and lose in bargain
    most of the time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I think all the 13 episodes have been recorded already. Whether he has taken up
    corruption issue is anybody’s guess.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I will really be surprised if he does not take it up. I am keen on seeing the treatment/presentation and its impact. I really want to see if it can be more effective than Team Anna.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ All

    Just a flying note as I hop from meeting to meeting. Now you cant take this blog out of me can you?

    @ Mohan and SHenoy

    I am in the company of rather “pleasent” people, right now. One Female architect… and her college training assistant.

    Ahh yes, My donkey friends. QUite honestly this last contract has a lot to do with my giving the example of donkeys to a very fine gentleman who is setting up a nursing home with collaboration of an American chain. NOt huge in size… but good enough for survival. The AMerican were amused and impressed by my example that a BMW after 20 years is 900 kilos of junk dirtying the world. The DOnkey’s dung “mitti se mil jaata hai.”

    Moral of the story. As much eco freindly LED’s, Solar panels and Water harvesting possible.

    @ Pathak G

    Rehearse your dialogues. Salim Javed is going to be back in 4-5 days… and then “kitne dialogues maare… sab Dhishoom dhishoom dhishoom…” Tab tak Mohammad bin Tghlak ka raj… dilli par chalne do !

    I’ll miss our dhishoom dhishoom

    @ Gopi

    As always your kind words inspire me. Now I’ll give you a long chain of events… which may or may not happen.

    Now in case you do come across a novel some day… and happen to buy it….. and it has the portrayel of a gentle soul who worries that Jehadis will eventually blow up the world. Now keep guessing who it would be modelled on !!

    Back to my pleasant company now….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    All the best and give her a hug on my behalf. No more than a hug please, as I am not
    more than that.

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar
    Apart from Prasar Bharti ,Media itself is business and at the end of the day the Promoter is concerned only with Profit. Some are listed companies . The mistake we make is that we expect them to do nation building .
    ( this was my reply to Ishwar’s comment appearing few comments back)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Saxena,

    The role of media in a democracy should be to help the voters make an informed choice (as opposed to ignorant) by providing access to information. It should allow a platform for divergent views to be aired without passing judgement on them.

    As rightly pointed by you, because profit has become the sole reason for its existence, the above role has been given a miss. Interestingly, even politics was supposed to be a means to serve the people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar/Praveen,

    Legislature, executives, judiciary, and media I believe are the four estates of India,
    Which is corrupt and which is not ? I think all are in together. Even god has given up and he also cannot save our country.

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  • Anonymous

    OK, coming back to the subject of our esteemed parliamentarians and the role o paliament —

    How would the populace treat the great secularist Afzal Guru if he had bombed the parliamentarians (say at some meeting) rather than bombing the parliament

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  • Anonymous

    Federalism at work!!!!

    Karnataka police arrest terrorist in Bihar, Nitish takes umbrage

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Karnataka-police-arrest-terrorist-in-Bihar-Nitish-takes-umbrage/articleshow/13049466.cms

    The Karnataka police have arrested a suspected terrorist from Bihar’s Darbhanga district, prompting chief minister Nitish Kumar to raise objection against the unilateral police action.

    The police team from Karnataka arrested Kafil Ahmed from Barasmela village two days ago in connection with the 2010 Chinnaswamy Stadium twin blasts, superintendent of police Garima Malik said..

    ————–
    Read on
    Will Karnataka Police release the suspect in the name of federalism?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No, and the terrosrists were arrested without the NCTC. Those who have a problem can crib.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I knew you would miss it by miles and you did.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I didn’t miss a thing. I knew your trying to push a case for the NCTC behind the story. Else, please be a little more explicit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Whether NCTC is a good or bad, only time will tell, if at all and when it comes into being. The proof is always in the pudding. However the pudding is not being allowed to be made in the first place for reasons we all know well.

    The point was that such a ruckus (it all seemed for the sake of opposing it) has been created in the name federalism, so where is the the co-operation between those opposing NCTC, in this case both are NDA partners?

    What is more important getting hold of culprits and terrorists or federalism or …?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think I have answered that already.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    ” The proof is always in the pudding. However the pudding is not being allowed to be made in the first place for reasons we all know well.”

    Why this is not being applied on Jan Lokpal ?
    Let the pudding be made and we watch and
    see the effects.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If the Jan Lokpal draft was flawed (get a copy and if need be ask a lawyer to explain the flaws in it) and what legal standing does the Anna & Co. have? None. Leave it to the parliament to decide what sort of Lokpal bill will be passed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    In the case of NCTC you said
    first let the pudding be made.
    My only question is why this
    same logic cannot be applied
    of Jan Lokpal. I am not saying
    who has proposed the bill.
    Why two different yardsticks
    are proposed?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have already answered that. Get a lawyer to explain to you the Jan Lokpal bill, which is ultra vires of the constitution. I had explained it many months ago on this blog itself.

    The Government refers any new bill to law and judiciary department to check the legality of it, before it is tabled in the parliament.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yaar aap gussa kyon ho jaate hain?
    Pathak has labelled me as a nagging wife so I will keep on nagging.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You still fall short by half.
    You do it 30 times a month.
    Wives do it 60 times. Everyday, once while going to bed, and then again while getting out of bed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    If I keep on getting unconvincing answers, I may reach that stage.
    By unconvincing I mean the answers which do not convince Me, for some
    those answers might be convincing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nahi bhai. Gussa aayegaa to kATi. Period.

  • Anonymous

    Punjab, Haryana spar over name of international airport

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/Punjab-Haryana-spar-over-name-of-international-airport/articleshow/13044246.cms

    The proposed international airport has got mired in another controversy, well before its take off. On Monday, the Punjab government claimed that the Centre has agreed in principle to name it “Shaheed Bhagat Singh International Airport at Mohali”. Soon after, Haryana retorted strongly, saying it should be identified solely with Chandigarh.

    ————

    Read on.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    So much for “punjab, sindh, gujrat, maratha”….
    I guess it is time for new anthem

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Also, Dravid, Utkal, Banga.

    All out of the reach for the congress party.

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  • Anonymous

    There was some discussion on temples. Temple is a place where people go
    and bow their head in reverence and some of them in hope of a blessing
    offer ‘parsad’ to please the god. I have heard of a rumour of a certain house in
    Delhi which is situated on some street called Janpath. Rumour is that many
    big people of India, like MPs, MLA,s Minsters, Industrialist regularly visit this place,
    bow there head in utmost reverence and ask for the blessings from the head of the
    house. Whether ‘parsad’ is offered in return of blessings is anybody’s guess.
    People consider this house as a temple.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This termple house is different from other temples in one respect.

    It has a spacious dog house, which temples in India don’t have.

    Those who incur the displeasure of the presiding deity will invite compulsory occupation of the dog house. Ex: Digvinash Singh, Abhishek Zingvi etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    is digvinash in the dog house…he has been quiet

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bhow bhow. bhooooooooooooo

    Digvinash.

    Anonymous Reply:

    that is a good one,Mohan.

  • Anonymous

    Govt has to get out; especially when they take from one, Hindus, and give to others..It simply is unfair, gross injustice, and ivitation for trouble, ala Sri LAnkan

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    But this is the secularism of our country. Favour minorities and ignore majority.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    You are slightly offtrack

    Democracy means that the majority do not trample upon the minorities, because In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority.

    Secularism is one of the tools that enable the above.

    ————

    Now have some democratic fun (some thought provoking).

    1. In our so-called democracy we are accustomed to give the majority what they want rather than educate them to understand what is best for them.
    Carter G. Woodson

    2. As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.
    Abraham Lincoln.

    3. Democracy… is a charming form of government, full of variety and disorder; and dispensing a sort of equality to equals and unequals alike.
    Plato

    4. Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    5. Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    6. Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
    George Bernard Shaw

    7. Democracy is only a dream: it should be put in the same category as Arcadia, Santa Claus, and Heaven.
    H. L. Mencken

    8. Democracy means government by the uneducated, while aristocracy means government by the badly educated.
    G K Chesterton

    9. Democracy is the process by which people choose the man who’ll get the blame.
    Bertrand Russell

    10. The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don’t have to waste your time voting.
    Charles Bukowski

    11. Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
    E. B. White

    12. Too many people expect wonders from democracy, when the most wonderful thing of all is just having it.
    Walter Winchell

    13. Democracy means that anyone can grow up to be president, and anyone who doesn’t grow up can be vice president.
    Johnny Carson

    14. Democracy is good. I say this because other systems are worse.
    Jawaharlal Nehru

    15. Democracy and socialism are means to an end, not the end itself.
    Jawaharlal Nehru

    16. Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
    James Bovard

    17. Democracy is based upon the conviction that there are extraordinary possibilities in ordinary people.
    Harry Emerson Fosdick

    18. Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they’re both just aspirin.
    Gore Vidal

    19. I’m tired of hearing it said that democracy doesn’t work. Of course it doesn’t work. We are supposed to work it.
    Alexander Woollcott

    20. Two cheers for Democracy; one because it admits variety, and two because it permits criticism.
    E. M. Forster

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    My simple understanding of democracy and secularism is that every one should have
    same rights. Majority should not be allowed to trample minorities and no favoritism
    for minorities just because they are minority.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar

    Nehru did a lot of bad things (and a lot of good things too).

    Although he did not use power to make him king; he had an oversize impression of the importance of himself for the betterment of the world…that he focused on the world instead of solving the miseries of Indians may be his biggest failure …

    A starving, shi–ing on the road country like India did not have to take any leadership in the neither russia/nor US movement or the asean or all other alliances. The man spent half of his time on traveling around … ….

    Then in junior high we will learn his protege VK Krishna Menon made the longest speech in UN – speech for umpteen hours –as if that will sollve the hunger or that will make the world appreciate India …he was also making speeches following his Guru while China, two weeks after chou En Lai and Nehru declared India Cheena bhai bhai invaded us…and still holding our land.

    I still maintain he was a great leader; we could have gone the way of many african countries that became free around then , or closer to home, like pakistan.

    and I will never accuse him of promoting his family. He was not for that…but his daughetr was

    No other country (other than Pakistan and North korea) has missed so many God given opportunities as us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, we can only conjecture what might have been. You will get different views depending who you speak to.

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  • Anonymous

    A nice business early dinner washed with wine… mmm

    But just a fleeting glimpse into the blog.

    @ Pathak.

    Your celeberation at the opportunity of pushing a naukercy agenda has been noted. You may talk about cheap chinese crackers. But remember you were so badly pushed into a corner whenever you tried to get us to follow a slavish servant like agenda.

    In fact Ishwar reminded you graphically how much nausea that causes in people who are not gaining anything personally by washing bartans for the parivar. So be honest to yourself. Blogging is about honesty… not about showing to the sycp[hants of the parivar, that look i defend you so much… give me a laddoo

    Remeber Pathak… India has to follow US, UK, Australia , France… and not Pakistan, Somalia, Saudia, Cuba.

    Spit on the material gains you may get from naukercy. Ultimately, ideals and country is higher…

    Cheers to all. especially Gopi!! This drink is for you !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    First thing you must remember about me that I never have celebrated any victory in life even after facing and pushing large armed mobs away in real life treatening situations. People have been killed for celebrating victories and letting their guards down- something I learnt early in life. I survived many odds for being alert. I guess that trait has stayed with me. So here too, you will rarely find me celebrating any wining of any argument. I usually stop when the dead end is hit and my duel partner has nothing more to say. That’s me. Kids celebrate and jump with joy for some perceived win over arguments.

    The cracker joke was about your penchat for changing people and self-congratulatory style of back patting which found resonance in others. There was only confusion about the mentor and mentoree. Who’s who? You learnt or you taught.

    By the way, you must read that article “Why I stopped being a social activist?”, posted in last blog.

    Here’s something for you -

    The most effective quote is the one that can not be quoted.

    ……………..

    Ask your psychiatrist friends “what is non-invasive method” and what it takes to achieve the mastery on that. You can ask the doctor friends here about speciality of non-invasive surgery.

    There are still many chambers to cross, before you can step out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    No comments from my side on ‘duel’ between you and Vijay.

    Since you wrote about an article ” Why I stopped being a social activist” by Yoginder Sikand. I would love to hear your views on this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Simple. Look within.Lead by example.Always.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Short and sweet answer. I always keep on learning on this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I know Yoginder guy a little. He used to work for jamia university I think. They had an agenda of causing dissent in Hindus along caste lines and then getting So called lower castes to join hands with Muslims to fight the upper caste.

    This was given a coat of left history that it is all about class and class is reflected in caste and religion, That sort of nonsense !

    Since I had a beard and hung around with lefties in college for some time… I had even been offered to become part of the group. Of course I just gave them a lecture on how we all need to make India stronger,corruption free, fee market, free intermingling and marriages of religions, dancing with beer…

    They probably did not link my thoughts with their ideology !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    In the end this gentleman understood that what he was doing was wrong and had
    courage to admit that. I admire his courage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay Kumar, pathakji,

    now all that remains is for the prodigals, Jawed Anand, Teesta Setalvad and Mukul Sinha to write a joint article in Anand’s rag, “WHY WE STOPPED BEING PSEUDO-ACTIVISTS”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not their advocate. But it takes a lot to go against the current. People who do so always have my grudging admiration irrespective of their party affiliation or religion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I respect your admiration for them but just an observation,
    are these people really going
    against the current or with
    the current?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Go to any police station and try file an FIR where the reader is against you. Here we talking about the top most state machinery against them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Go to any police station and try file an FIR where the reader is against you. Here we talking about the top most state machinery against them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Reading is fine, but comprehension?.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow! Pathakji, after reading this post, I consider myself among the fortunate many who know you.

    But, I also regret I know so little about you.

    Will you, Sirji, kindly let us know a little more about the REAL PATHAKG JI?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow! Pathakji, after reading this post, I consider myself among the fortunate many who know you.

    But, I also regret I know so little about you.

    Will you, Sirji, kindly let us know a little more about the REAL PATHAKG JI?

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, mohan, iswar, Shenoy

    Lots of CM/PM discussion on state.centre on NCTC.
    I believe a centralized handling, such as NCT,C is needed .
    ….. Cross border terror is 100% possibility. So also, internal crazies. What is the best way keeping party issues out

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, NCTC needs to be fine tuned, to take into account the genuine apprehensions of the states.

    I very much doubt this arrogant home minister cares for the feelings of the states.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    National security is of utmost importance. Whatever the differences between
    center and states should be sorted out amicably and this bill should be
    passed as soon as possible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    IMO, today our polity is so divided that it is not going to be possible.

    Perhaps, if there is a major terrorist (God forbid), then may be the politicians across party lines will see some sense. The recent maoists kidnappings does not seem to made any difference – the centre may as well have told them as it is a ’state’ subject, handle it yourself. They did, but at what cost.

    I see no way, those opposed to the NCTC relenting, even after certain concessions have been made. Perhaps, they will agree if the NCTC is completely a toothless body, thus maintaining the ‘federal spirit’ of the country.

    It is not only NCTC, there has been opposition to every measure the Government has taken. Policy paralysis. Bureaucratic standstill. Now all we can do is to wait for the next general elections and hope the people give decisive mandate to one party.

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  • Anonymous

    Unmistakable characteristics of a true Gujarati.

    1. Every Auto wala, taxi wala, grocery wala is their Kaka.
    2. They never go to office they go to HOFFIS.
    3. Their first rule of money – Never use your own.
    4. Be it seven in the morning or 1am Gaanthiyaas are always welcome.
    5. They keep an ELARAM to wake up in the morning
    6. No party is over without a round of Garba.
    7. They call all types of noodles Meggi.
    8. When someone asks them about a person, they say Gentleman Manas chey.
    9. They have PHD in bargaining by birth.
    10. They can speak any language of the world in Gujarati.
    11. All their conversation end with Koi saaru investment batavo ne.
    12. They shout their guts out on international calls, thinking they can hear them
    better that way.
    13. Sensex interest them more then sex.
    14. Mount Abu is Switzerland for them.
    15. At least 50% of their contacts on their phone book will end with the word Bhai.
    16. Vile Parle and New Jersey feels like home.
    and above all
    Narender Modi is solution for everything, from fashion style to nation’s progress.

    I Love Gujaratis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mohan

    well, Robberjee has taken away the fashion slot. Modi will have to concede that

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Well, than Modi will have to settle with only Nation’s progress. He is doing a tremendous job in Gujarat, if given a chance let us hope he
    replicates the same in progress of the nation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is debatable. We did discuss it briefly in the last blog – US$ 200 million in FDI, etc. etc.

    He is doing a job in Gujarat. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    He is doing very good job in Gujarat, comma,

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will accept that. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Give a chance to his new hairy idea.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Others are bristling at Modi’s hairy idea.

    What an idea, Sir G!

    Anonymous Reply:

    sex can be purchased, sensex can only be chased.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since last year I am chasing this sensex but it is only going
    downhill taking my lot of hard earned money along too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One friend told me that his libido and “vital part going up… was linked to the sensex graph..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I don’t have a problem there, I can handle my losses without any effect on any part
    of my body.

    Anonymous Reply:

    proves that sex and sensex both are related to sixth sense.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you back the wrong horses that will be the fate. Choose with care, not blindly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    The horses become donkeys as soon I start backing them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    aisaa mat bolo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Talking about gaathiyaa.

    For the last seven years – sparrows, crows, bulbuls and mynas come to the balcony of my residence to be fed ‘gathiyaas’. Give them anything else – they are not interested.

    Must be Gujarati birds sent by Modi to ’spy’ on me. ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    17. They are fond snakes (farsan).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Traits of Marathis,
    1> They feel they have *been there* when they outnumber Gujjus as tourists in Kashmir.
    2> They argue with bewildered Kashmiri shopkeepers in Marathi and broken Hindi – equating kashmiris with “Gore bhaiyyas”.
    3> Ultimate degree of conquest for Marathis – A shop sign in Srinagar proclaiming sale of “Sabudana Khichadi” written in Devnagri script.
    4> Our best Marathi politican – Mr. Bal Thackeray.
    5> Our worst Marathi Politician – Mr. Bal Thackeray.
    6> Marathi idols – Mr. Raj Thackeray.
    7> Marathi idols – Mr. Jayant Naralikar, Mr. Atul Gawande (Pankaj – Please Note) , Mr. Bhatkar (C-DAC) and others.
    8> Our best investment ambitions – racing to bottom of profits with neighbourhood Gujju Stock brocker who saw value in our random utterings as stock tips.
    9> Our sense of romance – those retro Zee Marathi female artists emoting love and affection.
    10> Our sense of “sizzling romance” – Hemant Birje and Kimi Katkar doing “Tarzan My Tarzan” in the bollywood film.
    11> Our acute sense of cultural identity – abusing a “bhaiyya” .
    12> Our acute sense of cultural identity – respecting a “bhaiyya” and conspiring to teach him marathi language.
    13> Best Insults we inflict on our political masters – well, doesn’t matter as long as they don’t get in our way of lamenting our problems.
    14> Best Insults we inflict on our political masters – Those 41 Sangli Gram Panchyats threatening to merge with Karnataka. (Wonderful insult folks – keep it up, “They” deserve much more than this).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I just can’t stop laughing. This Hemant Birje, Kimi, Tarzan is that right.? Ha ha.
    Very hilarious. Marathis are anytime ‘better’ than Gujaratis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How could you really remember that Tarzon…….it’s so old……almost forgotten!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Marathi memory goes back to Shivaji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And it stops there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Great.

    Let me add

    15. If there two NRI Marathis in an overseas city/town, they form a Marathi Mandal. If there are three, then they also stage Marathi plays, because they need one to lower and raise the curtain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I warn you, we will never part with Belgaum, even if you allow those 41 villages to merge with us!

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  • Anonymous

    what wine did u have

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Château — Lynch Bages somethigoff this type ! Pauillac

    French red

    I hope I have the name correct. !!I am sure I have slipped up

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    Anonymous Reply:

    french wines are good (it all came from there !) Australian wines are good too..plus our own products from Nasik

    Two weeks ago my friend got me an australian cabarnet-shiraz blend 2008 penfolds bin 389 –was a good red.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    will try it out if the opportunity arises.

    Anonymous Reply:

    wine, women — make a day! (or a night!)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wine and women pose risks to your wealth.

    Ravi Reply:

    I prefer “Goats Do Roam”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    GOOD ONE!

  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Quoting your article…

    Even while parliamentarians stall debates in the House, they can be seen locking horns in TV talk shows and panel discussions. Such engagements are short on substance and high on rhetoric. There are of course some honorable exceptions to the rule.

    Sir is the exception ot the rule… one VInod Sharma :) :) ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinod Sharmaji can always be expected to wear his trademark smile on his face, may be to reduce the heat and rhetoric.

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  • Anonymous

    An American lady updated her Face book status.
    ‘ we fell in love, got engaged, had a lovely time, got married, got divorced.
    OMG, what a busy week it was.’

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    WOW.

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  • Anonymous

    @MohanR, not quite to your standard, but not bad
    Three builders working on a building site. one gujrati , one tamil and one sardar
    The gujrati opens his lunch box , it is dhokla. the gujrati says “Next day if i find Dhokla in my tiffin box , I will jump off this tower.
    The tamil opens his lunch box , it is Idli . He says if I see Idli again tommorow in my lunch box , i am going to jump of the tower.
    the sardar opens his box , it is sarso da saag.he says “If i see sarso da sag again tomorrow I will jump off the tower.
    The next day All three jumpof the tower and dies.
    At the joint funeral of the three , Kamala Behn says if i knew I would have given him Gathia, Mrs Iyer said “I would given him sambar”
    Mrs Kaur said “WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME , HE COOKS HIS OWN FOOD”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one, Dr Shan!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ddi you get your “friday” issue resolved?? (bangla Desh)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is SHUKRABOR.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps mullas worry it might remind their women folk “shukra – nu”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps mullas worry it might remind their women folk “shukra – nu”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps mullas worry it might remind their women folk “shukra – nu”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps mullas worry it might remind their women folk “shukra – nu”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    A good joke. Where communities are concerned, maximum jokes are made on
    Sikhs. I somehow don’t feel comfortable posting such jokes.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Quite rightly so

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    Ravi Reply:

    Quite rightly so

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    did you make an exception this time by posting a joke, because it was on a Sardar?

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  • Anonymous

    Well, another Jehadist is arrested by the FBI on a modified version of underwear bombing.

    Apparantly the “delivery” mechanism of this bomb is modified — it will not explode anymore at the crotch of the bomber.

    (so these guys want to go uo to teh 70 virgins, what is their plan without crotch/dick)?

    ravi, i could not find a Hindu bomber to be “”fox news fair and balanced”.

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  • Anonymous

    Time to close down Air India/sell it to private parties. It is ridiculous that 15 pilots do not show up for work, after all the noise they created with their strike a few months ago..they are a joke- they are the only airline that was fined by the FAA in USA – $80,000 for sloppiness..

    Should Indian Government have to have an airline?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Before the actual sale of Air India, I feel the dramas are being enacted to spoil
    the name of the national airline so that it can be sold at much less than the
    actual price.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The rationale behind the nationalisation of civil aviation was on account of too many one or two aircraft airlines. We can only imagine what if, had they not been taken over.

    As for Air India, Nehru did not put some bureaucrat, who could not spell pilot, into the hot seat. He made J R D Tata, the chairman without any fetters on him. As many of the old timers – Air India until late 80s, was the India’s pride and World’s envy. Unfortunately, Indian Airlines was not so lucky -they could not ‘find’ another J R D Tata to head it. It tumbled along in any case. Air travel in the early days was a luxury – Indian Railways was the mover of the masses.

    Coming to the present, the biggest mistake was by Praful Patel – merging the two airlines. He should not have been allowed to do so. Even it is not too late – demerge the two and restore them to health, then even offload 49% of the ownership to the public. After the civil aviation was thrown up to private players in the 90s, there was a very marked improvement in the services offered by Indian Airlines (perform or perish) – that has been my experience and old timers would vouch for it.

    The other options shut it or sell it may not be a viable options – there may not be a buyer who will have money to buy it – the real estate value of its holdings must be very high indeed, unless some new crazed King of Good Times comes along.

    In case of shutting it down, it assets will be sold piecemeal at prices touching scrap value. X number of employees will be on the streets and no government would be able to handle such a situation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    ‘ there may not be a buyer who will have money to buy it ‘
    To avoid this problem our great government may come up with the solution.
    Loan the money to the buyer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Loan on 1% interest, repayable in 30 years.

    After 10years, the loan will be written off.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    5 years after the loan write off, one more loan will
    be granted.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar, Mohan, Shenoy

    I agree with you on NCTC.. There has to be a strong central dimension to this – I am at a loss as to why states are against..

    We have to have strong central institutions– Otherwise we will be like Europe, or worse, like the post-Tito Yugoslavia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “I am at a loss as to why states are against”.

    Isn’t that obvious – the chief ministers have earned ‘bragging rights’.

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  • Anonymous

    A socialist has become president of France and now left coalition has been asked
    to form government in Greece. I had never thought even in my dream that this will ever
    happen in Euorope. . Last year Mamta Di defeated left government in Bengal.
    In next few decades will we become something like what Europe is today.? Will we witness
    major changes around the world? Very interesting times ahead.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hard landing for Hollande

    The President-elect’s honeymoon has ended before it began.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3398123.ece?homepage=true

    It is barely 24 hours since François Hollande was elected President of France and the sniping has already begun.

    Economists, especially from the right but some from the left too, have begun expressing doubts on how he will be able to withstand the buffeting the markets now appear determined to give him. Shares slumped on European bourses the day after his election but rallied somewhat later only to slide again on Tuesday morning.

    “The first measures he will take will be symbolic ones and not cost the exchequer a great deal — freezing petrol prices for three months, subsiding water or electricity, adjusting the minimum wage not just according to inflation but also according to growth. He will reduce his own salary and that of his ministers by 30 per cent. And the people will love him for that. But then,” …………

    ———–

    Read on

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks will go through this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Good article but it is too early to predict anything.

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  • Anonymous

    Wonderful, i somehow skipped your brilliant post. Would love to hear more from you on various topics being discussed on this forum. A lot of people quietly read the comments without posting their views. I hope you would rise above them.

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  • Anonymous

    Wonderful, i somehow skipped your brilliant post. Would love to hear more from you on various topics being discussed on this forum. A lot of people quietly read the comments without posting their views. I hope you would rise above them.

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  • Anonymous

    This should delight Shan and everyone else too.

    Stunning cache of British-era Calcutta scenes found

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article3398157.ece?homepage=true

    A cache of 178 photo-negatives discovered in a shoebox at the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland (RCAHMS) in Edinburgh, Scotland, have revealed spectacular vignettes of Kolkata’s colonial past. Some of them reflect the high point of the British Raj.

    The photographs show, among other scenes, buildings near Lal Dighi (Dalhousie Square, as it was once known) lit up to commemorate the 1912 visit of King George V and Queen Mary to Calcutta; ships anchored near the Chandpal Ghat with a sea of pilgrims bathing in the Hoogly; a religious festival on the Maidan; a street scene, probably during a “betting” game.

    ————–

    The collection has been digitised and can be accessed at the RCAHMS website:

    http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/publication/?publication=indianegatives

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Some more Bengalisque

    Rabindranath Tagore — a life

    Watch the slideshow – most of them are memorable photographs.

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/history-and-culture/article3399778.ece

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  • Anonymous

    Raped & thrown into well, 8-yr-old climbs out to tell her tale

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Raped-thrown-into-well-8yrold-climbs-out-to-tell-her-tale/947183/

    The Pune police have arrested a youth who allegedly raped an eight-year-old girl and then attempted to kill her by throwing her into a well at Punawale on Sunday night. The water level being low, she did not drown and managed to climb out, police said.

    The suspect, Balu Raoji Gaikwad (25), a resident of Koyte Wasti in Punawale after the victim’s mother lodged a complaint with Hinjewadi police station.

    ———

    Imprisonment for life should be the right punishment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shocker: Uttar Pradesh DIG endorses honour killing

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Shocker-Uttar-Pradesh-DIG-endorses-honour-killing/articleshow/13062250.cms

    A top police official of Uttar Pradesh on Tuesday openly advocated honour killing. The incident took place in Prabudh Nagar district where the deputy inspector general (DIG) of Saharanpur range, Satish Kumar Mathur, had gone for a routine inspection of police stations and review law and order situation.

    One Shaukeen Mohammad, a resident of Kaserwa village of Prabudh Nagar district, approached the DIG with the request to help him find his missing daughter. But Shaukeen was shocked when the DIG told him to kill his daughter if she has eloped with somebody

    ————

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I would guess that he will be suspended, investigated etc based on the news, esp if a video is present..

    “yatha raja, thatha praja”

    Isnt the Jail minister or police minister there a major x convict (or was in jail, with many other cases going on?)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Nine face sentencing for grooming
    Nine men are being sentenced for their part in a child sex exploitation ring which plied victims with drink and passed them around for sex.

    It happens everywhere and in every community. Both the victims as well as the perpetrators come from all strata and all communities in our sick society.
    Read on… http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17989463

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Most of us are actually animals in a disguise of human beings.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I have no disguise as you know…at least two people here think I am a Fake.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    These were 9 men of Paksiatni origin.. (the reporter, being “politically correct’ used the word “all men were Asians” – which is strange):

    ..the “perpetartors come from all strata and all communities…” are you talking about this case?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Absolutely true that 8 of these 9 people are from Pakistani families and one is from Afghanistan.

    The coverage of the case has raised issues surrounding Child Grooming and all such agencies who specialise in protecting children in the UK are saying that of the 91 cases of this kind where the ethnicity of the perpetrators have been recorded 36 were Asian and 41 were from White backgrounds.

    The British National Party (an anti-immigration and racist) picketed the case in Liverpool and therefore News coverage has included wider perspective on Child Grooming and the conclusion is that Race and Ethnic Background is not involved.

    Children that have been taken into care are increasingly vulnerable to grooming by predators and even Christian Priests have been implicated.

    But you read into it what you wish to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Catholic priests in the west have been prosecuted for pedophile activities. In fact, my understanding is that many diocese are bankrupt because of the settlements.

    Years ago, I had a discussion with H.E Cardinal Joseph Parekattil regarding celibacy. For all practical purposes, he was like any “Hindu learned men” like Swami Chinmayananda orr Renganathandaji, but just happened to be born a Christian.

    H.E Parekattil told me that Catholic church should follow regional practices. He felt celibacy for priests makes sense in India, because of the Indian tradition of sanyas closely connected with ‘brahmacharithwa’.. However, he did not see the need for it in Western countries.

    But as they say one man has only one vote, even if he is the cardinal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I had read that celibacy was adopted by church some where around 12th century.
    The reason was that Church was worried that the children of the priests will stake their
    claim on the riches of the church. I believe celibacy is going against the nature,
    which should not be forced on people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    U r right. Also, only Catholic priests are “celibate” – not protestant ministers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Too much of these heinous stuff happening all over..

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  • Anonymous

    AN OPEN LETTER TO PRATIBHA DEVI SINGH PATIL, THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA-DR.(MRS.)HILDA RAJA

    http://hinduawaken.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/an-open-letter-to-pratibha-devi-singh-patil-the-president-of-india-dr-mrs-hilda-raja/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Vijay also always says she was a cook at Sonia household…
    Was she really employed as a cook, or as a friend she once in a while cooked for them..? her husband was a politico

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I have read about her cooking for Mrs. Indira Gandhi. Whether
    that was as a friend, a courtesy or she was actually appointed
    as a cook at Mrs. Gandhi’s house is all speculation .
    However, she did not look very inspiring as a President of India.
    By the way the articles by Dr. Ms. Hilda Raja are most of the time anti congress and anti Gandhi family.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When one cooks, one doesn’t inspire, one perspires, often profusely.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Bad cooks perspire. Good cooks inspire.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If ever we meet I will cook spicy crab curry for you like I mostly do for my distinguished guests.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I am trying to become a vegetarian but will definitely try a
    delicacy cooked by you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will cook gobi65 for you, like they do the famous chicken65. My guests always loved that dish.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    You never know I may actually someday drop in at your place, of course if
    I come to know your address.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Life has many surprises. Who knows what is in store for all of us in future!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please do it for Sonia G on a conious basis and dont forget to clean the bartan.

    Pranabda has still not been finalised as President. A feelow blogger as President would give us lot of pride.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I clean my own and my guest’s bartans. Come along with Sonia, I will treat you with crab too and clean your bartan as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont move in powerful circles. Call Sonia G, for dinner and I will cancel my impending business trip immediately.

    However like a proud blogger, I would always spell my mind on dynastic succession and damage to representative democracy…

    I hope she would take it in the right spirit and nominate you or Vinodji for the next PM…

    Anonymous Reply:

    It would be more appropriate to say that she would take the right spirits in the right quantities to brace herself to listen to your plain-speaking.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks I would really appreciate the gesture.

    I sometimes clean the bartans at my house– mine and that of the guests.

    Though I am a bad cook and not taught myslef more tha boiling egg and making coffee. Though I have been told that I am a pretty reasonable host… so it levels somewhere!

    Anonymous Reply:

    We, all the favourite bloggers here, will have feasts in Rashtrapati Bhawan, cooked by the Rashtrapati himself!

    Wah, my mouth is already watering.

    (Once upon a time, I used to get cookies baked in the palace bakery and tea in silver kettles as a honour to the visiting bank manager)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.. Pl invite Viju too- he will bring the wine to go with that

    Anonymous Reply:

    He would come along with Sonia as a package deal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some of the people have a problem with a person being a cook (never mind whether it is true or false). Wonder who does the cooking in their homes, if it is their grand mothers, mothers, wives, daughters and/or daughters-in-law, perhaps they must referring to them as derisively as well for sure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Mohan,

    see how Ms.Hilda Raja describes the high qualities that made Pratibha Tai the favourite candidate of the congress party in 2007:

    “And what are your credentials to share the same platform with the greats I mentioned above? Cooking? Really? A certified good cook that you are, I am told you were a regular feature inside Indira Gandhi’s kitchen, preparing her favorite Maharashtrian delicacies. Puran Poli or something? You took utmost care always to satisfy the taste buds of Mrs. Gandhi, so much so that she was head-over-heels with praise for your cooking skills and end up giving you license to open cheat funds across Amravati. Rest as they say is history when you and your family members went on rampage with your loot mission of opening fraudulent savings institutions across Amravati and Akola and siphoned out a lot of hard earned money from poor farmers in the name of brighter and secure future. I am told there is not a single family in that region which is not looted by you or your family. Brilliant credentials for someone to become the president of the nation I must say. …”

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  • Ravi

    Uttarakhand BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence
    Times of India, May 1, 2012

    BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence

    The Uttarakhand police on Monday booked BJP MLA Rajkumar Thukral for fanning communal violence in Udham Singh Nagar on October 2 last year, in which four people were killed and 35 others, including 12 policemen, wounded. In the riots that followed, several shops were set ablaze and curfew was imposed for more than a week.

    Read on….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12945377.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There must be a ‘mistake’

    BJP and communal violence? ‘Not possible and hard to swallow’. It must be a ’saazish’ by the ‘naukers’ of ‘The Family’, to tarnish the reputation of the only ’secular’ party in India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Absolutely it is a mistake. The news does not mention the contributory negligence of Muslims – just being there. They were given ample opportunity to abandon their homes but these un-intelligent people choose to be burnt alive.

    The silence from the other side is deafening.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi/Manohar

    As usual my opinion is different from both of you. It is a good
    news, anyone fanning communal disharmony which may
    result in violence should be caught and punished as per the
    law of the land.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohn

    Good as that is. It is not why I posted it. I posted it in support of my contention that causing Communal Tensions is a POLICY of the Sangh Parivar. It does that to shore up its vote bank of frightened Hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I know your style. Old or even new habits don’t
    die.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am glad you are focusing on my habits and not the habits of the Sangh Parivar.

    Is that your habbit?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    A loose meaning of habit in Hindi can be usool. In that case I keep only one usool
    and that is I will have never have any usool in my life.

    Ravi Reply:

    loose indeed

    Anonymous Reply:

    And would you care to explain your policy and that of the Congressis you so adore?

    Ravi Reply:

    What ever it is…causing Communal Tension is not it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK, then how do u explain this…

    http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investigation/congress-leader-alleged-to-be-involved-in-ap-communal-riots

    Ravi Reply:

    I don’t. Simple

    Anonymous Reply:

    One wrong does not justify another. So do not attempt to justify Uttrakhand case with the AP one. Both are crimes. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If that’s the case, then the statement that – RSS is the only one with an official policy of creating communal riots – shouldn’t be made and clapped at.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who says only RSS is the only one. The fact is that reports that come in seem to point fingers at the Sangh Parivar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I respect you for that. The news is reprehensible. I was taking pot shots at people (you are not one of them) who defend their side come what may. and say move on.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, the Muslims were deep in prayer and recitation of Quran, when Hindu fanatics led by the RSS and the local MLA, who is also the RSS pracharak took advantage of the deep trance in which the victims were in and “finished them off”.

    THIS IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And who was burnt alive?

    On October 2, communal violence gripped the Rudrapur town of Udham Singh Nagar district of Uttrakhand after a copy of Quran was desecrated by some anti-social elements. When police did not act to nab the guilty, Muslims came out on the road to protest. Police started lathi charge to disperse the protestors which resulted stone pelting from the protestors. Then police opened fire at them killing four and injuring score of others. The mob of non-Muslims also joined the attack on Muslims and they looted shops of Muslims in the market. After the incident curfew was imposed and security was tightened in the town.

    =======================

    Jehadi, don’t try to get past Teesta. Write facts not fiction. And note that I have called you a jehadi because the language used by you is one of inciting hate.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    You will not know a fact if it got stuck in your gloat

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have made a great virtue of repetition.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not nearly as often as you do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The whole thing looks fishy (not that BJP MLA is not capable of doing this)..

    Something like this, where people died and shops got burned in Dehradun, should have been a news in October when it happened, as they say it happened..
    I do not remember reading or watching on TV.

    I would have guessed HT and all friendly media would have pounded on this….

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    Ravi Reply:

    So Gopi, you think Times of India print stories without checking its accuracy first.

    Understood.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is not a mistake. It is also not difficult to swallow.
    because, the congress party, once they come to power, can “create” riots at will, and make things disappear at will too, like corruption cases.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In October, BJP was in power then.Period.

  • Ravi

    Uttarakhand BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence
    Times of India, May 1, 2012

    BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence

    The Uttarakhand police on Monday booked BJP MLA Rajkumar Thukral for fanning communal violence in Udham Singh Nagar on October 2 last year, in which four people were killed and 35 others, including 12 policemen, wounded. In the riots that followed, several shops were set ablaze and curfew was imposed for more than a week.

    Read on….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12945377.cms

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  • Ravi

    Uttarakhand BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence
    Times of India, May 1, 2012

    BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence

    The Uttarakhand police on Monday booked BJP MLA Rajkumar Thukral for fanning communal violence in Udham Singh Nagar on October 2 last year, in which four people were killed and 35 others, including 12 policemen, wounded. In the riots that followed, several shops were set ablaze and curfew was imposed for more than a week.

    Read on….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12945377.cms

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  • Ravi

    Uttarakhand BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence
    Times of India, May 1, 2012

    BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence

    The Uttarakhand police on Monday booked BJP MLA Rajkumar Thukral for fanning communal violence in Udham Singh Nagar on October 2 last year, in which four people were killed and 35 others, including 12 policemen, wounded. In the riots that followed, several shops were set ablaze and curfew was imposed for more than a week.

    Read on….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12945377.cms

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  • Ravi

    Uttarakhand BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence
    Times of India, May 1, 2012

    BJP MLA booked for inciting communal violence

    The Uttarakhand police on Monday booked BJP MLA Rajkumar Thukral for fanning communal violence in Udham Singh Nagar on October 2 last year, in which four people were killed and 35 others, including 12 policemen, wounded. In the riots that followed, several shops were set ablaze and curfew was imposed for more than a week.

    Read on….http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/12945377.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Retail chains: Shape up or ship out

    http://www.financialexpress.com/news/retail-chains-shape-up-or-ship-out/947091/0

    “In a business where the other players were among the biggest Indian business houses — the Tatas, Goenkas, Piramals, Rahejas — we were seen as a small-time Marwari bania company trying to reinvent the wheel,” wrote Pantaloon Retail India (PRIL) founder and chairman Kishore Biyani in his book It Happened in India, published in 2007.

    He continued: “Unlike our competitors, we neither had financial muscle nor business experience, or any legacy to boast of. We took large risks, made a number of mistakes, faltered on the way and learned things while doing it.” The same year, debt started piling up for PRIL, India’s retail pioneer, and shrinking cash flows added to Biyani’s woes.

    —————

    A pile of debt and unsold goods stared at PRIL, while a R12,000-crore turnover failed to generate enough cash for Biyani to service the loans that he availed to grow. He took risks to scale up his business and tried multiple retail formats (Pantaloons, Big Bazaar, Central, HomeTown, Brand Factory, eZone) even as signs of a slowdown were setting in.

    “Biyani pre-empted competition and that did him in,” says an industry observer.

    ———-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Among other problems this group faced in running and managing the business,
    the author has failed to mention is the corruption within the company.
    They had appointed Mr. Devdutt Pattnaik – Indian Mythology expert- as a Chief Belief Officer in Human resources. He was suppose to advise the group of
    Indian style of doing business. Mr. Pattnaik believed that this style of business
    which is inspired from Indian mythology will be very successful . It would be
    interesting to know whether the company had adopted the suggestions
    of Mr. Pattnaik.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    First time I hearing this. The chains stores do not show any trace of that. Any idea as to which mythological system/tales this man was supposed to take inspirations from.

    Anyway, if one mixes business with pleasure / mythology – uskaa yeh hi haal hotaa hai.

    The main problem was that he financed his business primarily through loans, so the creditors have come home to roost.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I did not mean that he was asking the staff to offer pujas or take part in aartis.
    It was suppose to be something very different and novel. Even I am very much
    interested to know exactly what it was and whether his suggestions were adopted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will keep my eyes and ears open the next time I go to Big Bazaar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If you happen to talk to the staff of Big bazaar and if they tell you something like
    which is related to mythology, please share with me, I am very curious to know.

  • Anonymous

    Retail chains: Shape up or ship out

    http://www.financialexpress.com/news/retail-chains-shape-up-or-ship-out/947091/0

    “In a business where the other players were among the biggest Indian business houses — the Tatas, Goenkas, Piramals, Rahejas — we were seen as a small-time Marwari bania company trying to reinvent the wheel,” wrote Pantaloon Retail India (PRIL) founder and chairman Kishore Biyani in his book It Happened in India, published in 2007.

    He continued: “Unlike our competitors, we neither had financial muscle nor business experience, or any legacy to boast of. We took large risks, made a number of mistakes, faltered on the way and learned things while doing it.” The same year, debt started piling up for PRIL, India’s retail pioneer, and shrinking cash flows added to Biyani’s woes.

    —————

    A pile of debt and unsold goods stared at PRIL, while a R12,000-crore turnover failed to generate enough cash for Biyani to service the loans that he availed to grow. He took risks to scale up his business and tried multiple retail formats (Pantaloons, Big Bazaar, Central, HomeTown, Brand Factory, eZone) even as signs of a slowdown were setting in.

    “Biyani pre-empted competition and that did him in,” says an industry observer.

    ———-

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  • Anonymous

    Retail chains: Shape up or ship out

    http://www.financialexpress.com/news/retail-chains-shape-up-or-ship-out/947091/0

    “In a business where the other players were among the biggest Indian business houses — the Tatas, Goenkas, Piramals, Rahejas — we were seen as a small-time Marwari bania company trying to reinvent the wheel,” wrote Pantaloon Retail India (PRIL) founder and chairman Kishore Biyani in his book It Happened in India, published in 2007.

    He continued: “Unlike our competitors, we neither had financial muscle nor business experience, or any legacy to boast of. We took large risks, made a number of mistakes, faltered on the way and learned things while doing it.” The same year, debt started piling up for PRIL, India’s retail pioneer, and shrinking cash flows added to Biyani’s woes.

    —————

    A pile of debt and unsold goods stared at PRIL, while a R12,000-crore turnover failed to generate enough cash for Biyani to service the loans that he availed to grow. He took risks to scale up his business and tried multiple retail formats (Pantaloons, Big Bazaar, Central, HomeTown, Brand Factory, eZone) even as signs of a slowdown were setting in.

    “Biyani pre-empted competition and that did him in,” says an industry observer.

    ———-

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  • Anonymous

    Pathakji,

    you said, “Go to any police station and try file an FIR where the reader is against you. Here we talking about the top most state machinery against them.”

    But, if a lady suddenly remembers, after a lapse of four years, that her husband was killed by the top-most man of the state, and tries to file an FIR, will the police simply allow her to amend her earlier FIR?

    Then the lady goes to the sessions court, then to high court, then the supreme court.

    But, nobody listens to her. The SC asks the SIT to “look into it”.

    The lady and her instigators are euphoric, tell the whole world that the SIT is “A Daniel come to judgement” etc, etc.

    But, after the SIT report, the same people and the same lady tell NDTV, CNN-IBN etc. that Raghavan is a Hindu fundamentalist, he is compromised and he is biased against the Muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It takes more than 5-7 years for people to gather their wits if they are hit by any major trajedy.

    Willingness to fight back takes another 3-5 years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and organizing NGOs take another 5 years

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hunting back takes another 5 years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But, running down Raghavan and his report, calling it biased, compromised, Pro-Modi, etc hardly takes any time. These things are readily available with all TV and news editors.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Pathakji,

    The widow of Ahsan Jaffri had already gathered her wits when she filed her FIR naming certain number of persons therein as the perpetrators of the heinous crime.

    It was purely as a conspiracy and with malicious intent she allowed herself to be a party to the “saazish” of M/S Teesta &Co and tried to file the second FIR, which was rejected by the police, the trial court, High court and also the supreme court.

    The country has been confidence-tricked a million times before, but this one trick failed to click. The courts simply refused to believe the Jaffri lady.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I really feel very sorry for Mrs. Ahsan Jaffri. Her husband was killed by rioters, but instead of getting
    justice, she is being used by the likes of Teestas whose only aim in life is to somehow get Modi
    punished. And yes, from where does Teesta gets
    funds to run all this show is a moot point.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And if, taking you by your word, what you say is true, why did the supreme court brush her petition aside? The SC could have and should have given due waitage to the circumstances under which she filed the failed FIR against Modi after four years. Or is the SC too is biased?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My observations are for all generic situations. I do not follow that case closely.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In Modi’s Gujrat she is safe to continue her innuendos..

    She would have been managed properly if she were in UP so no more complaints will be filed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Under the rule of Modi, Muslims feel safe in Gujarat.
    Waiting for the flak now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    paradoxical as it may seem, it is the pseudo seculars who feel threatened in Gujarat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Still they visit Gujarat regularly to look for something
    negative to write. Since they don’t get anything negative, these poor pseudo seculars have to be
    content with the opinion of Raju Ramchandran,
    which they keep on repeating again and again on their
    favourite TV channels.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And if they don’t get anything in Gujarat, Modi himself goes to Delhi and shakes hands with Chidambaram (which, incidentally, fails to create any ripples, despite Modi’s best efforts) and then, of all the people, with Nitish Kumar!

    And the media all over the world goes into a tail-spin, painting Nitish Kumar as the demon himself!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this your sense of justice ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Who is talking about justice? It is all about fixing people who are considered ‘pests’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    True. Pests is a perfect word.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My sense of justice is “worse” than Sharia…
    There will be only 10-20 MPs left..
    Teestas will be summarily executed …

    Well then there will be a land without people!

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, you seriously think annihilating individuals will improve the system ?

  • Anonymous

    Shenoy Saab
    It may be interesting to find out who all provide her with the funds ? To what extent it is from domestic sources and how much comes from abroad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This would be a good topic for Tavleen Singh to write her next article in Indian Express. Her last one questioned the sources of Anna and Ramdev to challenge the mighty Congress government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Will she get the permission from her bosses to write such article ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Praveen

    I do not know where the finance to file and fight the case come from.

    But I am interested in your reasons for asking this question.

    How does the sources of funds pervert the course of justice?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    for once you are right.

    When it is the secular brigade fighting the Hindu communal monster, Narendra Modi, no less, finances are a trivial thing, as are their sources.

    Suffice it to say that finance simply pours in from all directions, including from Allah, the most munificent.(this, of course, through His official dealers: the Saudis).

    And nobody, simply nobody has any right to question these sources.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Genuine Saffron Fundo sir.

    Absolutely right. In a riot situation it is almost invariably true that dirt poor people are the ones that are killed and trampled over. They have hardly any resources to eat let alone fight long prtracted legal cases.

    Money yes even from Saudi Arabia is welcom to allow them to pursue the case.

    The RSS and Mr Modi no less has many HINDU fund raising organisation very active in the UK and the USA.

    How are the two monies any dirrefent oh you Genuine Hindu Fundo.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    About this money from Saudi. I had read few years back that USD 5 million each
    was paid to two famous journalists to show only the misery of Muslim victiims in
    Gujarat, the report had also claimed that money came from Saudi.
    Of course, as usually had happened in these cases such news did not find
    any prominence in main stream media.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Show the misery. Or Invent non-existent misery.

    I would have reported genuine miser for 100th of the cost.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I was talking about two famous journalists and sorry to say that your word would
    not have carried any weight. And I have written that money was paid to them to
    report ONLY the miseries of Muslim victims. May be you have forgotten – it can happen
    with anyone at this age, after all these riots happened about 10 years ago – that there
    were some Hindus also who were killed in that riots.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    You win, as usual I loose.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Please don’t act like a naive. These funds can be and most probably
    was used to lure so called witnesses in filing false reports.
    Teesta has been reprimanded for this.

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    Ravi Reply:

    That may well be true. But are funds not available to both sides. Is the other side poor. Let me know where I can send my contribution.

    I have more faith in Indian Justice than you do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravim

    Nice to know that you have trust in Indian justice.
    Is that why you do not agree with Supreme court
    appointed SIT giving clean chit to Modi.?
    Oh yes I forgot, you trust opinion of Raju Ramchandram, the same person who believes
    Kasab is innocent.

    Ravi Reply:

    That case has not ended yet. Read Raju Ramachandran.

    The Teflon Coating is rather thick when you are a high-up in the RSS.

    However, are you saying that Saudi Money can sway and Indian Judge? No matter what the witness says, the Judge still has the liberty to not believe him.

    Raju Ramachandran is court appointed Attorney for Kasab, he has to represent his case professionally. Now who is behaving like a petulant child?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    I never said Saudi money can sway Indian judges. You are trying to imply this.

    The judge will look at the evidences produced and will hear the testimony of the
    witnessess, if both corroborate punishment will be meted. How the judge is suppose
    to know the witness is giving a false testimony because he has been paid by the likes
    of Teestas to lie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you heard, by any chance that the entire judiciary in Gujarat is biased and compromised?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    In fact Gujarat courts can proudly claim that they have convicted many people
    involved in riots. Many people are still waiting for the justice since more than
    quarter century.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right and the resident abuser is wrong. Period.

    Ravi Reply:

    No I hadn’t but now that you tell me, I think you may well be right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    did you by any chance read about xeroxed FIRs filed in their thousands by Teesta and Co?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Yes I had read about that. As Gopiji had said on this blog that in any other country
    she would be in jail for perjury, but here she was lucky to get away with only
    reprimand.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The sad part for Modi’s fans is his opponents have managed to keep him pinned down.

    If she has indeed done that (personally I am not discounting that, she may have), then why the BJP/Gujarat government did not file cases against her.

    Some two/three months, if I remember correctly, the Supreme Court reprimanded the Gujarat government and told them to stop harassing her by filing false charges.

    To me it seems, both sides are breaking the Queensberry rules.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have mentioned below that she was lucky to get away with only reprimand by the court.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If she indeed was guilty, I do not think that the court would have only reprimanded her. They would have fined her heavily.

    The courts do not like their time being wasted by false and frivolous cases being filed. They have imposed fines running into lacs for doing so.

  • Guest

    Thanks…and Viju will bring wine to go with that!

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi,

    You can blame the RSS as much as you like, the facts are different and I would love to get the reaction of the ‘chaprasi’ of the Congress and the Jehadis on this:

    This is how the Frontline (from the publishers of Hindu) detailed the event of October:

    http://www.flonnet.com/fl2822/stories/20111104282204100.htm

    The article/author which can’t be said to be partial to the RSS says:
    1. The first provocation came on September 29 when miscreants allegedly packed beef and pages torn from the Quran in a bloodstained cloth and placed it outside a Shani temple in Bhadaipura mohalla. Members of the Muslim community, agitated over the desecration of the Quran, demanded action against the culprits, but the administration did not act. The alleged act of sacrilege was repeated in the same mohalla on the night of October 1. This time, pages from the religious book were wrapped in a sheet of paper along with pork and thrown outside the house of one Mustaq Ahmad.

    2. The following morning, over 100 Muslims gathered at the town kotwali (police station) to demand action and resorted to stone throwing, in which some policemen and the Sub-Divisional Magistrate, Vir Singh Budhiyal, sustained injuries. The police chased the crowd away by resorting to a lathicharge. However, the Muslims regrouped, and this time a thousand people gathered outside the police station at Indira Chowk, stoned the police, damaged and burnt vehicles that were parked there and threatened to set the station on fire. At this stage, the police reportedly sought the help of the Hindu residents of the nearby Rampura mohalla and, thereafter, the two communities started clashing with each other. Soon the clashes spread to the entire city.

    3. Mohit Chauhan, an educated youth working in a leading hotel in the town, said, “After all, the Muslims were the ones who started it all. Why did they throw stones at the police station? If they thought there would be no retaliation for their actions, then they have surely learnt a lesson now.”

    3. Many of the alleged attackers are said to be close to BJP and Congress leaders. Eyewitnesses claim to have seen Hindus with Congress and BJP affiliations leading the mobs that set shops on fire.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    You win hands down.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Also the case of Hindu youths hoisting a Pakistani flag in Karnataka some moths ago. Investigations showed that these youths had indeed connection with the Sangh Parivar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Ravi, even though he is a fake, is right this time too.

    The Hindu (and also Frontline) has gone soft in the head, making its views blinkered, biased and actually, unfounded as against the Times Of India, which, even after 150 years in the publishing business, has never published a false or biased story.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You said it.

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  • Anonymous

    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ RAJU RAMCHANDRAN IS A **** OF THE FIRST ORDER ~~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    I wish I could participate in this discussion… but would really have to restrict myself to giving an excerpt of an article on my mail.

    “Amicus Curiae Raju Ramachandran says that Kasab should not be hanged, but must be awarded life imprisonment. Awarding death as a form of punishment would be violation of Article 22 of the Indian Constitution. The senior advocate also said that Kasab was a misguided youth, who was brainwashed into committing a crime, which he did not realize was heinous. The response to the statements have not gone down well with most across the nation. Kasab has been in the ‘trend’ list of Twitter, the micro-blogging site, where netizens have spewed their fury. Read on”

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    Raju Ramchandran is basically a Digivinash, Antulay type of psuedo secular ****. He too is provbably sighitng a Rajya Sabha nomination and some post under SoniaG’s patronage.

    Unfortunately the country under the Congress is doomed ot have more and more of these Raju Ramchandrans, jaichands, Mir Jaffars, Kasabs and their protectors.

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    Ravi Reply:

    He was a BJP appointed Assistant Attorney General in the last BJP led Government.

    He is a Senior Supreme Court Attorney, not need to personally abuse him simply because he is following legal procedures.

    Such abuse defines you more than it hurts him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you. I like this defination of myself.

    Despite kasab being caught on camera witha gun, being seen killing people, there were a lot of sly jehadis who spread the tale that he was actually a Shiv Sena guy as he had a red tilak.

    A pure dumb Pakistani plot to call it a HIndu conspiracy was being peddled.

    Do you also beleive that Kasab is actually a Hindu, as Hafeez Saeed and ISI wanted the world to beleive in case he had died?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Eeven if a person is caught red-handed, if he pleads not guilty in a court of law, then a trial has to take place.

    There can be no trial without a Defnce Attorney who represents the accused. Even Lee Harvey Oswald was due to have a case before Jack Ruby shot him.

    No I do not believe Kasab is a Hindu. I am sure he was my class mate in Muridke and I once saw him walk behind the bushes with a bottle of water in his hand in the cave number 34 in TOOORA BOOORA terrorist’s R&R camp.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If the last para is a joke… its a funny one!

    But

    But

    But

    If you meant that seriously…watch out… all those guys have suicide vests…

    Ravi Reply:

    I thought the CIA said Undies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Soon, Raju Ramachandran may come out with his unsolicited views that 26/11 was a fake terrorist attack to give bad name to LeT and that it was an RSS plot to kill Karkare and his fellow officers.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic Rant of a Frookhabadi Saffron Terrorist.

    Singularly pointless

    Anonymous Reply:

    Had TV cameras not been there, that view would have been peddled long back! Arundhati Roy had already written an article somhow blaming India for the attacks. And linking it to the beating the Taliban was getting in Afghanistan and India being quiet about it.

    From the COngress, Rahul G had told the US ambassador that the LeT was no threat. Digiviansh had started calling it a RSS ki Saazish. Antulay had launched front blaming Karkare’s death onto BJP….

    Pakistan TV was already showing stories that there was no guy called Kasab. Rahman Malik came on BBC to say in their NADRA ( computer records in Paksitan) NO kasab existed….

    The photos stuffed some of these anti nationals in their bum. Otherwise the familalir actors and familiar lines were in place.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic Rant of a Frookhabadi Saffron Fundo.

    Singularly pointless

    Anonymous Reply:

    According to ‘reliable’ RSS sources. Raju Ramchandaran will also come out with unsolicited views that 2002 was a fake riot to give a bad name to Modi. aisaa to kuchh huaa hi nahi.n thaa. yeh sab ek baDI saazish thi.

    Ravi Reply:

    So is it true that the SC APPOINTED him to submit unsolicited views.

    What label would have been appropriate had his views been Pro-Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The SC appointed him to assist it to go through the voluminous reports and records submitted to it by the SIT.

    His report was not binding on the SC, which was why despite it going totally against the findings of the SIT, the SC threw his report out.

    Not only that, it also gave the SIT the option to take Raju Ramachandran’s report or not, while submitting the same report t the trial court.

    The congressi troll, like you is wrong on another point too.

    The SIT and Amicus curiae are not equal and also not on the same footing.

    SIT is the investigative agency.

    Amicus is an officer of the court opted by the SC to assist it in its evaluation of the SIT report.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Two facts are being by Modi’s apologists here. FIrst the Supreme Court had to appoint and monitor the SIT, second when the questions were raised about the SIT, the same Supreme Court thought fit to appoint Raju Ramchandran as Amicus Curiae to see if the SIT had done its job or not. Speaks volumes about Modi’s credentials as ‘just’ and ‘all inclusive’ Chief Minister.

    Now let the courts decide and that the final verdict will take years – the sword of Damocles will hang until then. Not yet time to move on.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The sword could not hang over a better man

    Anonymous Reply:

    If there is no need to abuse him, as you say, also, where was the need for him to “publish” his views all over again?

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    Ravi Reply:

    He did not publish them.

    They were released a couple of days ago.

    The release and publication is not controlled by him personally.

    It will be a sad day when you grow up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    “It will be a sad day when you grow up”.

    That day will not come. Haven’t you heard of stunted growth, especially cerebral?

    Ravi Reply:

    I have seen evidence of it

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I do not understand as to why someone keeps demonstrating his intelligence deficit at regular intervals? Perhaps tor his own benefit, lest he starts thinking no end of himself even more and that would be even more damaging.

    Ravi Reply:

    To him lashing out at you and I is more imprtnat than truth is.

    To him RSS propoganda is truth and Congress propoganda is a lie.

    There is nothing in-between

    Anonymous Reply:

    which was why your fellow jihadi Pakistanis committed paedophilia and rpaes of minor girls?

    Anonymous Reply:

    When a person runs out of genuine counter arguments, the easiest thing is to start abuse, labeling,insinuations, etc. If you notice it comes naturally to BJP-neutral blogger, his guru and sometimes some ’saathidaars’.

    Gaali denaa koi baDi baat nahi.n. aajkal bachche bhi gaali dete hai.n. Yahaa.n koi bachche hai.n kyaa?

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    Ravi Reply:

    कुछ बच्चे हैं और कुछ को बचपना है

    Anonymous Reply:

    N.D>Tiwari was appointed by the congress party.
    Abhishek Manu Singhvi too was appointed by the congress party.

    Does it mean only congress-appointees have licence to indulge in sex orgy etc., but BJP appointees have to walk the straight line?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic obfuscation

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    By now the whole world knows that Sonia Gandhi wept uncontrollably, when photos of dead terrorists in the Batla House “fake encounter” were shown to her.

    the world has also come to believe that she loves to “pardon” terrorists. She is on record recommending clemency to her husband’s killers.

    In all likelihood, going by the line taken (with a lot of deliberation, I am sure) by raju Ramachandran, Sonia may order “pardon” to Kasab and a too willing Manmohan Singh may willingly oblige.

    I earnestly hope Sonia Gandhi will appoint Kasab as her cook, if not for anything, at least to be one better on her Ma-in-law (Remember Pooran poli cooked by one Pratibha Tai Patil?).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Strange things are happening … :) Nothing is beyond the realm of fantasy!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really amazing and touching. Sonia G weeping incolobaly after the terroirsts death…

    And funnily

    Salman Khurshid, Digvinash g and RahulG weeping inconsolobly after the UP election results…

    Poor babies… itna rona…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    This solicitor sounds like one who “goes with the wind”..
    Power and perks are tough things to reject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    After all, tomorrow is another day!” Was the last famous line of Gone with the wind…

    So Ramchandran may have his time today…. Tomorrow is another day !

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  • Anonymous

    This what the Hindustan Times website has reported today

    ” The Supreme Court-appointed special investigation team’s clean chit to Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi in the 2002 riots is based on its findings that the state took “all possible” measures to prevent the massacre that followed the Godhra train carnage. According to the SIT report, “… immediately after the Godhra incident, state machinery was put on high alert … and all possible precautionary measures were taken by the authorities.”

    The report, posted on a website on Tuesday, a day after it was handed over to riot victim Zakia Jafri, rebuts allegations that government authorities were lax during the riots in which more than 1,200 people were killed.

    Zakia’s husband, former Congress MP Ehsan Jafri, was among the 69 people killed by rioters at Gulberg Society in eastern Ahmedabad on March 1, 2002, two days after the Sabarmati Express was torched near Godhra, killing 59.

    Quoting riots-era wireless messages and official letters, the SIT report says, “… it gives clear cut indication and mind of the state that the riots had to be controlled at any cost.”

    The report adds, “…investigation has established that the state government was reasonably vigilant vis-à-vis the developments on the law and order front and immediately responded by bringing to the notice of all district officials.”

    The SIT has dismissed (now suspended) IPS officer Sanjiv Bhatt’s claim that he had attended a meeting, hours after the Godhra carnage, where Modi allegedly told top officials to let “Hindus vent their anger”.

    According to the SIT, Bhatt was in touch with activist Teesta Setalvad (Zakia’s co-petitioner, who has posted the SIT report online) and others for drafting the affidavit he filed in the Supreme Court against Modi.

    The report states certain “vested interests were trying to use the Supreme Court/SIT for settling their scores”.

    Raju Ramachandran was “amicus curae” in this matter, in other words “a friend of the Court” . His task was to assist the Court in adjudicating on the matter. That does not mean that he supercedes the court or his opinon is binding on the Court. Is his opinion on a higher pedestal than the Order of the court ?

    The problem is that those who wish to hound Narendra Modi will be satisfied only with a Court Order which is adverse to Modi.

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  • Anonymous

    Thx Praveen for th4e clarification

    Bye guys… my senior partner is goiung to kick me in the bum if I dont get the projedct costing by 7.00. He glares at me like Gabbar in a drunk state..

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  • Ravi

    Mr Saxena

    Your post seems to have gone to Tora Bora.

    I will happily amed my views – if needed – when the court verdict comes.

    Your logic cuts both ways, supporters of Modi have exonerated him before the final verdict.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    ‘Supporters of Modi have exonerated him before the final verdict.’

    In that case am I allowed to say that Modi bashers have declared him guilty
    before the final verdict?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I told you before, separate the wheat from the chaff and decide what to keep.

    kitne logon kaa munh bandh karte rahoge?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Isn’t that what my post was in response to.

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  • Anonymous

    Chopping and censorship is on… one post on the reactions of familiar trolls after 26/11 has disappeared.

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  • Anonymous

    LETS SEE HOW RAVI BRINGS IN RSS AND MODI KI SAAZISH TO EXPLAIN THIS
    They and three other men used a one-time victim to recruit other girls so they could be driven to “chill” houses around the north of England for sordid sex. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/I think the GORAS have got it wrong. It is not a simple case of “paedophiles/perverts”. My personal opinion is they are playing out a mini 9/11, a la JIHAD , for abusing WHITE GIRLS will land them in Zannat , and quoran sanctions taking KUFFERS as slaves23:5-6 And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts); Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame

    Some of the teenagers had sex willingly, but others were raped by up to five men at a time.

    The paedophiles who paid small sums of money for the frequently violent encounters were predominantly British Pakistanis.

    Of the 11 defendants on trial at Liverpool Crown Court, 10 were Pakistani and the other an Afghan asylum seeker.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan, I do not HAVE to explain anything, least of all to you.

    My views on this matter were posted earlier.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your “views” are well known: that the media in UK is biased against Muslims and Pakistanis and that the judges and the members of the jury were all white racist pigs.

    Your view is also that it is the RSS which has the British police in its pockets and working against true-to-God jihadis.

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    Ravi Reply:

    UK media is not. But you most definitely are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I am definitely biased against jihadis like you and child abusers and child rapists like your friendly Pakistanis.

    Ravi Reply:

    You are dyed in Saffron Islamophobe no matter what

  • Anonymous

    read the full story
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9254232/Members-of-paedophile-gang-treated-victims-as-worthless.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    This is what I like about you. You are not against anyone and you do not favour anyone.
    What you think is right, you just speak out without a care for anyone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now fake Ravi will say the media in UK is biased against Muslims and Pakistanis and that the judges and the members of the jury were all white racist pigs.

    This is a clear notice to ravi and engrich too that jihad and terrorism will not be tolerated anywhere.

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi , This is what you wrote about the news that I have posted
    “perpetrators come from all strata and all communities in ”
    NO PERPETRATORS ARE ALL PAKISTANI FULL STOP.
    As I said this is JIHAD in Rotheram

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Ravi is Fox News Anchor/reporter”fair and balanced”…

    9 Paksitanis rape or whatever in England…

    (well perpetrators are everywhere)

    Muslim underwear bomber tries to blow up 747

    (well Saffron gang tried to blow up a train)

    Taliban does not allow girls to attend school

    (well, there was Devdasi system in India too)

    Ravi is appointed as the Professor Emirutus at the Murdoch School of journalism and media…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Benoy

    In the middle of swimming pool of floating figures and formulae… I take out my head and bow to thee!

    You ae the new nadeem Paracha of the blog !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    this fake Ravi has taken note of you joining the ranks of Hindu fundoos.

    News from Shan’s quarters too is anti-jihad, meaning Ravi better take shelter in the gutter once again, not withstanding the fact that he has the sole supporter in the congressi troll.

    To make matters worse, engrich too seems busy in Tora Bora, with Imran Khan telling Times Of India that he will finish Kashmir problem.

    All in all, jihadis on this blog are facing a bleak future, unless Pathak ji throws them a life line as he did last year.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Are we arguing that the perpetrators are perpetrators because of their country of origin and nothing else ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    You are rushing to absolve the perpetuators becasue you are fond of the country of their origin?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are actually correct. I am on dole handed out by government of country of their origin. Happy ? Now go and enjoy your tennis game a la Jitendra style.

    Anonymous Reply:

    a la means in the style/manner of.

    We don’t need to add style. Carry on conversation with Vijay now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar you will see all of them claim victimhood and abuse once the naked truth comes out !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon mahesh that is the reply of a loser !! So you rush to defend child molestation?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you please help me a bit here ? I am unable to choose between your inability to read and inability to comprehend.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is your standard reply becasue you tend to get confused too easily. I think you should concentrate more on easy sentences, rather than try to find some hidden meanings.

    Ravi Reply:

    Just admire his proponsity to abuse

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistanis are raping left and right using the cover up of Islam… and to change the topis u accuse me of abusing !! Very funny Uncle…

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, Dr Shantanu is objecting to a report where Ravi covered this news -”there is no class or country distinctions between these perpetrators” (something to this meaning).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @mahesh , it is NOTHING BUT JIHAD on a sexual plane

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    I see things differently. These are sexual pre-dators who probably have internalised a reasoning for their behavior based on some facile racist justification.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    is that an argument in favour of the child molestors or in defence of this fake Ravi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your choice. Stated otherwise, heads you win tails I lose.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I reported what was said on Radio 4 this morning.

    However, if you think that

    ALL PERPITRATORS are Pakistani Muslinms 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th Generation

    This is due to fundamental flaw because Mohd Married a 9 yr pre-pubscent and this is basic Arabic Kultcha.

    The DNA of te MUCHLIMS is different even if when they are recent Bangaldeshi Converts Voluntarily or Forcefully.

    I agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He did not say any of those — the only thing he said was that these nine were Paksitanis

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    You read my original post. It did say 8 Pakistani’s and 1 Afghanistani.

    Did it not?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dont cry victimhood pr persecution unnecessarily. There is a problem of assimilation and giving precedence to violent Mullhas and also of exterminating minorites and people of other religions.

    Unless that is sorted out there is no hope.

    Why did the rapists not chose victims who were Paksitani girls or Muslim girls?

    Becasue other religions were thought of and portrayed as being lesser, being evil, being kafirs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    This shows your frustration. When you are not able to counter with sound logic
    you come up with this rant. I expected better from you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    But I have countered.

    You read what you want to into it

    Anonymous Reply:

    A very confused, unconvincing response to a straight forward poser.

    Your defence of the child abusers because they were Muslims and from your own country (may be your friends too) is pathetic and it shows.

    Why bring Mohammed’s marriage into it?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan knows

  • Anonymous

    @ravi , This is what you wrote about the news that I have posted
    “perpetrators come from all strata and all communities in ”
    NO PERPETRATORS ARE ALL PAKISTANI FULL STOP.
    As I said this is JIHAD in Rotheram

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  • Anonymous

    Folks-
    FBI/CIA has uncovered a Jehadi bombing plot here in US.
    Apparently the jehadis have improvised on the detonation technIque for the underwear bomb.

    One thing I do not understand – how would these Jehadis enjoy the 70 girls upstairs if their crotch/dicks are blown to pieces from this self exploding underwear bomb..

    Any biologists/engineers here?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think they have a plan… they keep a dildo in one hand for standby for the trip upstairs… as they press the suicide button

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    This is how those poor young – most of them teenagers – are brainwashed.
    If you die in Jihad you will go to heaven which will be flowing with wine and 72
    beautiful girls will be at your service which you can avail anytime with your new
    body with a new fresh dick which you will get in your new birth in heaven.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ benoy and MOhan

    This is madness. SOmebody has to have the guts to tell the truth point blank and without fear of being polityically incorrect. That there is no jannat, no virgins, no wine. Period.

    A psychiatrist forwarded to me the confessions of a suicide bomber all fo 15 year old– who was caught by the police– and who sincerly believed that once he pressed the button on his jacket, he would be entitiled to eat goats of 70 kilos, alone, exclusively.

    The reform in religion can only come by making a mockery of the existing evils. The caste system or sati in Hinduism could only be shaken through legislation and showing the undesirabilty of it. nobody till date has the guts to say this about Islam. That wrong is wrong– whatever the book may say.

    In India, it has taken a worse turn where recently the most backward ideas were legtimised in the run up to the UP elections.

    In fact Congress boasted that its President “phoot phoot ke rone lagi” whenver a terrorist dies.

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  • Ravi

    Rochdale grooming trial: Split views on race issue

    The conviction of nine Asian men for grooming and abusing white girls has prompted strong, split opinions on whether race is an issue in such cases.

    A Muslim community leader has said there is a “problem” of British Pakistani men thinking “white girls are worthless and can be abused”.

    And the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (CEOP) said it was “investigating why there may be a majority of Asians in these particular kinds of offence”.

    But police said grooming was “not a racial issue” and MP Keith Vaz also said “no particular race or religion” tended to be involved.

    ‘No silence’

    The comments followed the convictions of eight Pakistanis and one Afghan man of child sex offences in Rochdale, Greater Manchester.

    The nine men convicted of being part of a child sexual exploitation ring faced charges related to five girls but police believed there may have been up to 47 victims.

    Continue reading the main story

    Start Quote
    There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it, but I don’t think it is a particular group of people”
    End Quote
    Keith Vaz MP

    Chairman, Commons Home Affairs Select Committee

    Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of The Ramadhan Foundation, said grooming was “a significant problem for the British Pakistani community”.

    “There is an over-representation [of Asian men] amongst recent convictions in the crime of on-street grooming [and] there should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals,” he said.

    “They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community.”

    ‘Vulnerable young children’

    He said community elders were “burying their heads” over the issue and police and local councils should not “be frightened” to address the problem, as there was “a strong lesson that you cannot ignore race or be over-sensitive”.

    Mr Shafiq said Muslim leaders needed to “reject any attempt to silence the reaction from our community”.

    And he said police would also need to “reflect on their failures” in this case.

    Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood, of Greater Manchester Police, said the case was not about race, but “adults preying on vulnerable young children”.

    “It just happens that in this particular area and time, the demographics were that these were Asian men,” he said.

    “However, in large parts of the country we are seeing on-street grooming, child sexual exploitation happening in each of our towns and it isn’t about a race issue.”

    ‘All cultures and ethnicities’

    Mr Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee and Labour MP for Leicester East, said the root causes of the abuse of young girls needed to be addressed but that investigations must not focus on the ethnic origin, religion or geographical location of those involved.

    “There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it but I don’t think it is a particular group of people, I don’t think it’s a particular race or religion,” he said.

    “It’s totally wrong to say that it is, because you open up a Pandora’s box as far as race relations is concerned and I don’t think that’s necessarily what we want.”

    A spokeswoman for the CEOP Centre said child sexual exploitation spanned “all cultures and ethnicities”.

    However, she said recent cases did “highlight that Asian males have been involved in an organised manner in exploiting young women”.

    “Some of these cases involved offenders from different backgrounds as well, although CEOP are investigating why there may be a majority of Asians in these particular kinds of offence.”

    And she said CEOP thought it was “important that we do not focus solely on one ethnic minority in case the groomer is part of a multi-racial group”

    FROM THE BBC and not SHAN CC

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The MPs have to do a congress line there too – votes, NATO transport through Pakistan…

    I object to them using the word “Asian” … As Shanatnu said these are all Pakisatni extract, either first or second generation; whatever anybody says to gloss over that all ethnicities do it, or it is universal….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    According to some of the mothers, a fear of being branded racist makes many of the police and social services reluctant to investigate the crimes as organised and connected. One mother from Rotherham, whose 14-year-old daughter was groomed into prostitution and multiply raped during a 12-month period, told me that almost every man convicted of these crimes in the north of England is from Pakistan but that the authorities insist that it is not relevant.

    There are, however, a growing number of individuals within the Muslim communities who are willing to speak out against the criminals. Mohammed Shafiq, the director of the Lancashire-based Ramadhan Foundation, a charity working for peaceful harmony between different ethnic communities, advocates better education about sexual exploitation to be disseminated through imams and other community leaders.

    “I was one of the first within the Muslim community to speak out about this, four years ago,” says Shafiq, “and at the time I received death threats from some black and Asian people. But what I said has been proved right — that if we didn’t tackle it there would be more of these abusers and more girls getting harmed.”

    Shafiq says he is “disgusted” to hear some perpetrators refer to their victims as “white trash”. He adds: “I say to them, would you treat your sister or daughter like this?”
    According to some of the mothers, a fear of being branded racist makes many of the police and social services reluctant to investigate the crimes as organised and connected. One mother from Rotherham, whose 14-year-old daughter was groomed into prostitution and multiply raped during a 12-month period, told me that almost every man convicted of these crimes in the north of England is from Pakistan but that the authorities insist that it is not relevant.

    There are, however, a growing number of individuals within the Muslim communities who are willing to speak out against the criminals. Mohammed Shafiq, the director of the Lancashire-based Ramadhan Foundation, a charity working for peaceful harmony between different ethnic communities, advocates better education about sexual exploitation to be disseminated through imams and other community leaders.

    “I was one of the first within the Muslim community to speak out about this, four years ago,” says Shafiq, “and at the time I received death threats from some black and Asian people. But what I said has been proved right — that if we didn’t tackle it there would be more of these abusers and more girls getting harmed.”

    Shafiq says he is “disgusted” to hear some perpetrators refer to their victims as “white trash”. He adds: “I say to them, would you treat your sister or daughter like this?”
    According to some of the mothers, a fear of being branded racist makes many of the police and social services reluctant to investigate the crimes as organised and connected. One mother from Rotherham, whose 14-year-old daughter was groomed into prostitution and multiply raped during a 12-month period, told me that almost every man convicted of these crimes in the north of England is from Pakistan but that the authorities insist that it is not relevant.

    There are, however, a growing number of individuals within the Muslim communities who are willing to speak out against the criminals. Mohammed Shafiq, the director of the Lancashire-based Ramadhan Foundation, a charity working for peaceful harmony between different ethnic communities, advocates better education about sexual exploitation to be disseminated through imams and other community leaders.

    “I was one of the first within the Muslim community to speak out about this, four years ago,” says Shafiq, “and at the time I received death threats from some black and Asian people. But what I said has been proved right — that if we didn’t tackle it there would be more of these abusers and more girls getting harmed.”

    Shafiq says he is “disgusted” to hear some perpetrators refer to their victims as “white trash”. He adds: “I say to them, would you treat your sister or daughter like this?”
    Fromstandpointmag.co.uk/node/3576/full and NOT Ravi Closet P

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Shan.

    The British are too politically correct to call a spade a spade, and

    Ravi must be the only Mona Sikh in the world who is out defending the Pakistani sex-grooming gang.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-As-9-men-face-jail-grooming-girls-did-listen-victim.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    Where did I DEFEND them

    But then Truth has never been your forte

    Anonymous Reply:

    **** **** rape rape
    Subah rape sham ko rape

    **** **** rape rape…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Saying that it happens in all cultures is as good as defending. It is a specific case where all the culprits were Pakis and worked as a gang to commit the heinous crime. Accept it – its a fact.

    This crime was committed by “PAKISTANIS” and essentially based on the assumption that “white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought’.

    It has absolutely no parallel in anywhere else.

    Ravi Reply:

    In that case it is universal truth and I am happy for you to label me as defender of Muslim Rapes.

    There happy now?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry to tell you, you have lot to learn. Only if you remove those Hindutva(*) coloured glasses and then see the world around you.

    * I have deliberately not used the word saffron, because saffron is a to valuable colour for Indians and I do not wish to associate and degrade it with the ideology you so vehemently support blindly.

  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    This is a friendly post and so dont react adversly. I strongly advise you to turn back home and see the rot there.

    You know all those talks of Modi and Modi and rape and rape get no result. Evoking those imaginery 5000 rapes is so boring. But closer home, see what fellow Paksitanis have done. Actual rape of innocents. paedophelia, sex slavery, spoiling the innocence of flowers.

    ” Kuch phool aise bhi hai jo jee na sake…
    Jinke khilne se pehle hi maut aa gayi…

    There is urgent need of throwing away texts and beleifs which may sanctify such rapes of innocent girls.

    You should spend more time on those Pakistani web sites and explain to them the evils of rape. After all the pen is mightier than the penis.

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  • Ravi

    “We also found that very often by labelling the crime as “street grooming” or other terms or focusing on offending from particular cultural or other socioeconomic backgrounds it merely provided further obstacles or distractions to bringing this crime out of the dark. Offenders do not come from any particular background and any child can be sexually exploited.

    “Child sexual exploitation is child sex abuse – no matter who carries out the act, no matter what the background of the offender. The effects are devastating and abuse can continue into adulthood. We need to focus on that and break down the barriers that stop any child from coming forward. Agencies need the awareness be able to identify the signs of abuse and the services to build a supportive relationship with victims. Vulnerable victims may not present themselves as victims, may be fearful of investigations or the court process and we need to create an environment throughout the whole of the UK where this is no longer the case.

    Read on http://ceop.police.uk/Media-Centre/Press-releases/2011/DONT-LEAVE-VICTIMS-OUT-OF-MIND-OUT-OF-SIGHT/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A lot of psycho-analytical gibberish in defence of Pakistani child abusers and rapists.

    It is also typical of this fake to come to the defence of the rapists just because they are Muslims and your fellow Pakistanis.

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is from CEOP. If you think that they are rubbish. That speaks volumes about you.

    But then again you think Amnesty International is rubbish.

    Nothing more needs to be said

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  • Anonymous

    Raviji

    Yeh pakistani log har jagah rape rape kyon kar rahe hai. Please hang there and do a Mujra

    “**** **** rape rape !! “

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  • Ravi

    For those who see British Pakistani’s Child Grooming as a part of sexual Jihad.

    Perhaps can answer what kind of Jihad was it when two short years ago in 4 continents countless people were coming out and pointing the finger at Catholic Priests for child sexual abuse?

    Were they Muslims’ under their cassocks?

    Or is the urge to vent anti-Islamic spline is so strong and the opportunity so golden that you are unwilling to look beyond the headlines.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you should now go back to Sialkot and sing a folk song with an ektara

    “**** **** rape rape
    Subah rape shaam ko rape

    **** ****
    Rape rape ! :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    As soon as you go to Frookhbad and sing any one can rape any one. I will do as you ask.

    The fact that you did not answer the question says a lot about you

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi, time to move on… You are barking on the wrong ytree

    Ravi Reply:

    If you say so. At least I am pissing on the tree which is what you seem to be doing

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did the Catholic PAEDO PRIEST target the PROTESTANT children , then it would have been a la HOLY INQUISITION , NO THEY DIDN’T , they abused EXCLUSIVELY CATHOLIC CHOIR BOYS AND CHURCH GOERS
    9curiously haven’t heard of catholic girls being abused by “HOLY FATHERS”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A good one, Shantanu….

    Yup, they go after their sheep!

    And they have been chastened all over the world over this; with multibillion dollar lawsuits.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You do not know the Irish History then.

    The ESSENTIAL point (which you have a proponsity to always miss and then you randomly assert you rationality and humanity and balh blah) is that vulnerable youngster can and are sexually exploted by ADULTS. If it SO HAPPENS that in a prticular town or particular time the vulnerable children are white girls and criminal adults are Pakistani then incidents from that town will represent this demographic fact.

    Alternatively, if the vulnerable children are Irish girls/boys and the criminal ADULT is a Catholic Priest then incidents from such times and places will reflect that.

    The undelying phenomenon of sexual crime against children remains the same.

    Now put that in your rational pipe and humanly smoke it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is what the judge said
    A judge today said nine men preyed on white girls as young as 13 for sex ‘because they were not part of your community or religion’ as he jailed them for a total of 77 years.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-As-9-men-face-jail-grooming-girls-did-listen-victim.html#ixzz1uNpJgEpn
    Now the JUDGE IS MONA(clean shaven) but is he a sikh

    Ravi Reply:

    Judge was judging a single case not the whole community, which is what you seem to be doing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not judge the entire community.You are PARANOID lest people draw their own conclusion about the rest of community. I said IT IS JIHAD ON A SEXUAL PLANE and I will stand by it

    Anonymous Reply:

    PARANOID IS RIGHT. Paranoid and schizoid- that is this fake Ravi.

  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    This is a wicked one

    Can you check his photo and compare to that of the nine….?

    I mean the guy is going out of the way to defend the paedophiacs. Maybe we need to get Engrich’s photo matched.

    Ravi, dont mind this. In case you defend criminals with such gusto, especially rapists and you do keep talkign of fantsies of 5000 rapes…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I scanned them – the first photo on DailyMail looks like that of a ‘close’ relative. Not 100% sure though.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Thanks Iswhar !! So at this point we can only say that Ravi only defends the child rapists as they are paksitanis and Muslims, but may not be one them himself.

    it does scare me that he would keep getting those imaginery 5000 rapes and then rape and Modi.

    Kahin yeh shabd rape se pyaar toh nahi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    You just won a character certificate – you are off the hook.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean I am now a certificated Muslim Rapist.

    I never doubted it

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, you are just one step away.
    Some more posts and your blog buddies willl promote you to Rapist status.

    Ravi Reply:

    My plane is at 20.45 and I will be leaving for the Airport at 6.30. Lets see if I finish my course in the 3 hrs left.

    Anonymous Reply:

    From Londfon to Tora or from Bora to Lundon?

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Congrats’. I knew you had it in you.

    For professional attainments, testing, reviewing and certification is always by the peers in the same field, for example – chartered accountants. Therefore, you have joined the august company of other CMRs such as BJP-neutral Vijay and some of his saathidaars.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP nuetral Vijay always wishes Pakistanis commit less rape less lies and appreciate freedom democaracy and move away from naukercy…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi rapes, 5000 rapes, and NOW THE GRANDADDY OF ALL 60000 rpaes by fellow pakistanis. Rapes to the left of you, rapes ot the right of you… wah ji wah

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic rant of a looser. Pointless abuse, what a waste of education

    Anonymous Reply:

    The moment of truth… sach ka saamna… and change! I love ot change people to become better…

    Anonymous Reply:

    satyameva jayate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh I am sure you beleive that those rape stroies were a RSS plot, funded by Modi to defame Paksitan ? Right?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will let this pass for now. At times it indeed gets challenging to negotiate with your level of wisdom.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure… have less daru… things will seem clearer.

  • Ravi

    Dr Shan

    What ever you wish to believe is upto you.

    My statement that inspired your reaction was based upon the following. Right or wrong.

    A spokeswoman for the CEOP Centre said child sexual exploitation spanned “all cultures and ethnicities”.

    However, she said recent cases did “highlight that Asian males have been involved in an organised manner in exploiting young women”.

    “Some of these cases involved offenders from different backgrounds as well, although CEOP are investigating why there may be a majority of Asians in these particular kinds of offence.”

    And she said CEOP thought it was “important that we do not focus solely on one ethnic minority in case the groomer is part of a multi-racial group”.

    This was broadcast on Radio 4 this morning and inspired me to first report the crime.

    Please not, it was me who first reported it here on this blog. All others are reactions to my original post.

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  • Anonymous

    Let us remember Paksitan is the land wwhich has the most hits on Camel sex and goat rape on google… !! :)

    So let us all ask ou friend Raviji to go back to Sialkot and then sing

    **** **** rape rape
    Subah rape shaam ko rape…

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi

    In politics, there is a term “time to move on”.

    Time to move on from this subject! There is only one side for this particular incident…Ya humanity has problems, we will solve it another day

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Just I should move on, or is this Fatwa for every one.

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  • Anonymous

    OK guys!

    Dr Shantanu has clearly analyzed this particular incident; there are no ifs, buts, here.

    Ravi, as usual, tried to connect this to the “but what about this/that”…

    Let us move on to the Parliament

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    Ravi Reply:

    A biased conclusion from some one who reads into things only such messages that support his deeply held Islmophobia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    People here in this blog love Dr Kalam, Sri Azim Premji, Rizwan, Rehmat, Syed, Shoeb…

    You have to get out of the mode that every criticism (of bad acts by some Muslims) is due to Islamophobia, even if they do not bring up similar other incidents. You have to get out of the mentality that people who support Shri Narendra Modi are anti-Muslims.

    Listen, long before the invaders ransacked the place, many Muslims settled in the Malabar coast. The forefathers of the current “king” (who could have taken zillions of dollars worth jewels for his descendents, instead left it for the unseen protector of his land) only welcomed them, gave them land, allowed them to build their own place of worship.. There was no phobia then or now.

    Your accusal of Islamophobia to this land is a gross injustice and a grosser trivialization of its heritage.

    Our forefathers started and ended the day with the prayer “loka samastha sukhino bhavandu” and “om santi santi santi”.. they paid dearly for that in their lifetime; but it only strengthened the belief systems.

    The eternal India goes on, when civilizations and empires elsewhere perished.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Beautifull repy to **** and Osama loving trolls!

    We all lvoe Muslims and want them to be at the forfront of a grand united India. It is trolls who want them to eb a vote bank thru reservations, separate regressive laws and then want to push them inot the arms of Paksitani jehadis.

    Long live Premji, kalam and Amir Khan
    And a kick in the bhu_ _ to

    Osma, hafiz and Imran khan !

    Ravi Reply:

    Is it not true that Raped and Murdered body of an under-age girl was found in the boot of Nitin Gadkari’s car in his own compound.

    What was Nitin Gadkari’s Muslim name before he converted to Hinduism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    let the perpetuator be caiught and hanged. I am all for it.

    Let all teh perpetuators of killing the youth of those innocent british girls in the name of ******** kafirs be hanged….

    Ravi Reply:

    You did not give me the Politically Correct Muslim Name of Nitin Gadkari.

    After all if he did it, by your logic he must be a MUSLIM.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    That may well be true of others but is not true of YOU.

    I have read you here many a times spouting about how Muslims in Kerala Vote etc.

    There is no modicum of doubt in my mind about YOUR Islamophobia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Frankly I think you are Islamophobic. You want Muslims to be separated from the rest of the world, you want them to follow hafiz Saeed, you want them to have separate religious reservations, you want them to have religious states…

    You are islamophobic as you wish them bad….

    Ravi Reply:

    If you say.

    However I never said anything of that kind.

    Not for the first time you have attributed to me your own deep rooted phobias

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I do have a problem with Islamic Terrorism in kerala; I do have a problem when my neighbours go to Kashmir and get killed in military attacks, I do have a problem about the whole Malappuram district. If that makes me Islamaphobe, let it be.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said Gopi. The time for truth is here. Politcal correctness gets us all thiese rapes and stories of obfuscation.

    Ravi Reply:

    There you are. I am now convinced.

    You have a problem with all of Islam not just radicalised muslims. You repetedly fail to differntiate between the two.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Has he ever?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Every incident in life changes the world for the good or worse. From this one we should learn

    a) That ALL Muslims ned to see a mirror on the hypocrisy regarding their treatment of women. Why were Muslim girls not picked up by the rapists? Obviously they thought only Kafirs were worth raping.

    b) The very very very boring cry of imaginery 5000 rapes by Ravi should now be extinguisehd as he heeds to first anser the 60000 rapes just committed by JUST 10 men of a breed he loves to fight for. ( 10 men x 50 young girls over 5 years)

    I think he should first go to those 10 men and ask them to apoligse to the entire humanity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Let us move on to the Parliament”
    Coming back to your sense of justice……
    Do you seriously believe annihilating a few powerful individuals would cleanse the system ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do believe fear is a great motivator.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fear of what ? Prosecution or Life ? And what about those who you think will instill fear ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    And what about those who you think will instill fear ?

    Let me try and read his mind.

    1) Narendra Modi
    2) Anna Hazare & Co.
    3) Jan Lokpal Monster (courtesy Anna Hazare & Co.)
    4) Baba Ramdev.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Narendra Modi Has brought development and
    prosperity in Gujarat.
    2) Anna Hazare and Co are trying to reduce
    corruption in our country but are not being
    allowed .
    3) Same as no. 2
    4) Baba Ramdev, through yoga has improved
    the health of many people of our country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yaar, baat ko kahaa.n kahaa.n le jaate ho.

    I was discussing the Gopi’s solution for eradicating problems in this country – the ‘culprits’ being made to face the firing squad and instilling fear in the rest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aadat se majboor.
    Whenever Modi’s name will
    come up, I will be there to
    defend him. Not that he needs
    my help.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kudos.

    I like your response.
    You have been a wonderful blogmate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And on my next visit to
    India we will
    share a drink together.

  • Ravi

    Dr Shan

    I am re-posting this as you may have missed my late additions to it

    You do not know the Irish History then.

    The ESSENTIAL point (which you have a proponsity to always miss and then you randomly assert you rationality and humanity and balh blah) is that vulnerable youngster can and are sexually exploted by ADULTS. If it SO HAPPENS that in a prticular town or particular time the vulnerable children are white girls and criminal adults are Pakistani then incidents from that town will represent this demographic fact.

    Alternatively, if the vulnerable children are Irish girls/boys and the criminal ADULT is a Catholic Priest then incidents from such times and places will reflect that.

    The undelying phenomenon of sexual crime against children remains the same.

    Now put that in your rational pipe and humanly smoke it.

    Please note there is a certificate that depends upon this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am relocating my reply
    Judge Gerald Clifton: Condemned the gang while dismissing allegations of racism against them
    A judge today said nine men preyed on white girls as young as 13 for sex ‘because they were not part of your community or religion’ as he jailed them for a total of 77 years.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2141279/Rochdale-child-sex-trial-As-9-men-face-jail-grooming-girls-did-listen-victim.html#ixzz1uNsVxSuY
    Now the judge is MONA(clean shaven ) but is he a sikh

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    Ravi Reply:

    Whatever you say, it bears NO RELATIONSHIP to what I asked.

    Nothing new here Dr Shan eh. We have been here several times before.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So no answer to my question about the undelying issues, only repeat of what the Judge said about this particular case.

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  • Anonymous

    Can Irish sexual mishappening s be used to cover mass Paksitani rapes on innocent flowers– the British underage girls by vile men from Tora Bora?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Why don’t you tell me. Show us some of your analytical skills, demonstrate that you are able to read the underlying phenomenon beyound the individual incident.

    We know you can abuse, show us that you can rationally approach a subject and analyse and form a sustainable conclusion.

    I dare you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So no anaysis.

    Chicken.

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  • Anonymous

    The resident ‘emperor’ has no clothes.

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  • Anonymous

    We should move on now. Some other topic please.

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  • Anonymous

    In a maternity room, doctor asked a lady ” Would you like the father of your
    child beside you at the time of the delivery ”
    Lady replied ” Oh no, My husband already doubts him “

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    You have been jumping around and having fun with imaginary 5000 rapes!

    What is a realistic number?

    4999 ?

    How many rapes are happening daily in this country ?

    Just a little while ago I could not fathom how could there be 860 dead bodies thrown around in Delhi in just 3 /4 months.

    I also could not fathom how could 3 men try to kidnap a class IV girl student of DPS in broad day light in Faridabad yesterday.

    I was stunned to see a Lady doctor being victimised in a family of doctors and teachers as shown in Satyamev Jayate.

    That means a lot of things are happening around us and we are unaware.

    Perhaps I am ignorant. That’s why all these events made me feel uncomfortable. I was caught unaware.

    You seem to be ridiculing this 5000 number. Could you please tell us what’s the real number, my learned friend ?

    4999 ?
    3999 ?
    2999 ?
    1999 ?
    999 ?
    899 ?
    799 ?
    699 ?
    599 ?
    499 ?
    399 ?
    299 ?
    199 ?
    99 ?
    9?

    Note : I will give you a clue. Ask your friends and blogmates to give you figures from their own areas. Add them up like a 5 year old school kid does and tell us.

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    Ravi Reply:

    PathakG

    The real issue is not 5000 which was – as you said a symbolic figure.

    The real issue is that there is a long history of upper caste Hindus sexually exploiting Dalit women and girls for centuries.

    So NORMALISED is this phenomenon that the authorities are reluctant to even register FIRs.

    So my friend it could be 5000 a day or more, who knows.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5000 is not a symbolic figure. far from it.

    You began quoting it everywhere because Wendy said so.

    Now Pathakji takes it as true because you have been repeating it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You are completely not for the first time. The 500 figure did not come from Wendy. Wendy does not mention any Dalit rapes in her absolutely MAGNIFICIENT re-Interpretation of H I N D U history about which you know jack shit or what the RSS tells you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I heard that being repeated 5000 times by you centuries ago.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, because Wendy is ancient in her mindset.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak G

    I can only talk about reported rapes.

    The prince of your party tried to create a rape in Bhatta Parsaul. He failed as no rape took place. India has changed. You cant rape and get away… even in UP. The whole of the Conress from Renuka chadhary to the chaprasi is willing to throw cores incase women from Bhatta come forward and say yes rape happened.

    brother I travel to that gujjar area. They all laugh. In case somebody , even a policeman tried rape here, he would have been buthcerd.

    As for the bodies in Delhi… why doesn’t the Congress answer?

    My friend I deal in reality, not in conjecture. Attitude of Indias to women are bad as there is an adverse sex ratio, But an Indian is more likely to be a Manu Zingvi, using his position to offer judgeship for a BJ.

    There are other problems which abound in India. Honour killings for one. Clamping down on your daughter the freedom you give to your son. Your son throwing his seed around is a hero. If your daughter moves around… she is a vamp.

    Indian men will squeeze in buses . Remember you appreciated that in some other avatar?

    But rape?

    Brother, forcible rape cannot happen the way the Pakistani men were doing it as there is a price on virignity in each family. Then this is a family oriented society where pre marital sex is no no. A rape, not so easy

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    Ravi Reply:

    What about the 1000s that are not reported

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “..India has changed. You cant rape and get away…..”

    @ Vijay

    Your binge drinking sessions in malls have numbed your senses.

    You are worth displaying infront of a girls college crowd…perhaps Gargi college if it happens nearer to your place.

    Fix a Flex banner on your SUV :
    ===================================================
    ” You liers! ..India has changed. One cant rape and get away…..”
    ===================================================
    and stand before Gargi College for one hour.

    Let’s see if they put you on your donkey friend or not ! Facing backward or not ! Let’s see they put a chinese cracker on your donkey friend’s tail or not !

    Perhaps you badly need to experience this.

    [ Dread what they will do to you if you say this to girls college students from Sahadara ! ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8!! Gargi was a place close to the heart of the guys of IIT Delhi and I hung around the market on my yamaha some time back. WOuld be good to go back !

    Flex is a company now owned by Mr _______- the master of Amar Singh Dahla and very close to COngress. I attended one or two parties . Just to check out how the Dahlaji functions. Russian girls in bikins served Chapatis and lit your cigarettes.

    India has changed that is about it. Rape happens. But then unless the government lets all FIR’s be registered– as Kiran bedi wants– I have to go by official figures.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Vijay

    Yes. Go back to Gargi with a flex banner afixed on your SUV.

    Come back and share your experience with the blogmates here.

    You are so lucky that we do not have any active lady blogger here.

    But you are definitely worth a public display for your thoughts, knowledge, opinion and values on rapes in this country.

    [ every time you make fun of rapes, visualise a helpless girl's crying face in your mind. Hope your engineering educational background has given you enough power to visualise. ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you have not given sufficient thought to bring a couple of “active lady bloggers”.

    Why not create one or two of them active lady bloggers, the way you created Prabhat etc?

    I can even suggest two names: Pratibha, in honour of our great out-going (no, I am not alluding to her propensity for foreign travels) president and and Sanjana, in memory of the missing Sanjay.

    Pathakji, ladkiyan wohi jo Pathakji le aayen!

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am too obvious even under a heavy blanket.

    So Sanjana / Pratibha will not work. You need to talk to somebody else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, your fake identities stand out from miles away.

    But, I appreciate your humility in accepting your limitations.

    While I may need to talk to many, you should seriously consider introducing, lady bloggers, ‘jhoota hi sahi’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    it was expected that you would jump to the side of this fake Ravi to defend the Pakistani child rapists.

    You have taken considerably long time to attempt the rescue act.

    If you can jog your memory a little, you had almost thrown the fake out along with brother Ram Autar. From there, now to come to his rescue, you have come a long way and hiding behind some sentimantal mush.

    5000 rapes? 4999? 999? Does that in any way hide the ugliness of what your Pakistani friends have done to the girls in UK?

    Why don’t you take dheeksha from Vendy something and become her desciple? And then you will cease to have doubts about the number.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I am talking about rapes in India.

    Did it miss your intelligence so badly ? Did you lose it centuries ago ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    One loses it only if one has it in the first place.

    Therefore, where is the question of today or centuries ago?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sufficiently endowed with intelligence, much above what you think you do.

    If you feel offended by my holding the mirror to you, it in now way changes the fact that you have brought this 5000 rapes of dalit women by upper caste Hindus to rescue the fake and also by believing his -repeated Wendy quote.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Before holding a mirror to others, just see yourself in it. Perhaps, you wouldn’t need that mirror again.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am never too far from my mirror. Which is why once in a while I also show it to people like you, who have shown increasing propensity to sermonise.

    Ravi Reply:

    A delusional face appears just as delusional in the mirror.

    You can fool yourself all of the time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s natural for you stay close to a mirror at this age.

    Where else, would you reminiscence your lost non-existent past performances !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji, much as it may cause some (unintended) heart burn in you, I have never had occasion to shed tears or tear my hear in exasperation (as some of you editors are prone to), nor bite my lips.

    (But, yes, I still bite my wife’s lips sometimes).

    As for past performances, if they are non-existent, how, Pathakji, can they be lost?

    I hope you have your intelligence still in your own control.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you considered the possibility of the mirror refusing to be held up by him? We should not forget that mirrors have tremendous self-respect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the Amul Baby in his euphoria had quoted a figure of 70 women raped and killed in Bhatta Parsaul. We must ask his school mates for confirmation of rape figures, as Sir Pathak says.

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  • Anonymous

    Germany’s industrial output for March was three times higher than the consensus forecast.

    Now that is a pleasant, surprising news..

    Let us hope we will have surprises like that, now since there is no strategy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi-

    We will not have those types of surprises.

    In fact, the decelerating growth is creating new set of issues that we will have an even tougher time handling – Avendus reports that 3% of the loans held by the 15 largest banks is non-performing. The fiscal deficit for the end of March was 5.8% of GDP (vs 4.8% a year earlier). Government debt is at an alarming level – 69% of GDP (and we still continue with the NREGA type programs).

    While the govt has time and again stated that infrastructure development is a high priority; no meaningful action can be undertaken when the growth trend is negative, unless there is an open, frank public/private or purely private partnership. The recent tax policy of rolling back to the 1980s level will not sit well with the large foreign construction/equipment firms who may have otherwise jumped on the opportunity.

    (it is ironic – part of the triple increase in Germany’s output is funneled by Indian demand that has offset (along with Russia, Brazil, china) the decline in demand from their western partners)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb/Gopiji,

    The retroactive tax policy will have a huge impact on investments
    in India. Vodafone has decided to fight with Indian government
    in International court on this issue. Foreign investors will think
    twice, thrice before investing here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s BAD on the very face of it. I am yet to absorb this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    It is bad. More than 1000 points drop in Sensex
    and about 6% depreciation of Rupee in about one
    month is perhaps the effect of this policy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What puzzles me, it’s so unlike Pranab ! Has he fallen for a trap ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    Stock Market….
    You may want to read Taleb’s “Fooled by randomness” .
    Willl write later on new Taxation policy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I will try to read that only if
    it is not written in Queen’s
    English.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Taleb outsourced it to Shakespeare. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ab mein to gaya
    kaam se.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan do not despair. Help is at hand, get Rapidex English Vol I and all be fine. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    The Black Swan by the same author is another wonderful book.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Even I am surprised. Pranab Da is a
    very inteligent person, I am sure he
    would have foreseen the implications
    of this policy. There is something else
    happening which we are not aware of.
    I suspect this just an ego, why did
    Vodafone go to the court ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I read somewhere he wondered how he was going to “adjust” the tax amount which had already been appropriated.

    That very moment I was shocked. I wondered if he was being penny wise and pound fool !

    Even he had finance committee head Sinha’s ( BJP ) agreement on this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I will also start doing this in my business.
    I order goods worth
    one million from my supplier, my normal profit is about 20%
    which I spend in advance. If due to some unforeseen circumstances I am not able to make that amount of profit then I will also start wondering , how should I appropriate
    this amount now..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Pranab Mukharjee is a highly over-rated politician. He has no perspective about India’s needs and capabilities.

    Narasimha Rao, when he wanted to move away from the “Socialistic pattern of controlled economy”, first went to H.M.Patel and upon his declining the offer, called Manmohan Singh to head the finance ministry.

    He gave a royal snub to dada by totally ignoring him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Guys I cannot beleive Indian Govt will behave like an *******. I mean I am sure similar laws exist in rest of the world. What I mean tax to be paid on the purchase of a company. anybody with any information , if i get some time will do some research

  • Ravi

    Congressi Muslim Ki Sazish

    Vijay Kumar has stated that a Congressi Muslim raped and murdered a juvenile girl and in order to implicate an innocent Hindu hid the body in Nitin Gadkari’s car.

    I deplore Nitin Gadkari for not checking the boot of his car before driving and I believe that Appolo the 13th was a fake mission and that all that is circulating as Moon Rock in the world actually came from Indian Himalaya.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ Implication of 10 pakistanis for 60,000 rapes makes Ravi Bonkers ~~~ :) :)
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Blogmates, sorry if I am rubbing this one in. In fact I running away from urgent work even as I post this. BUt but… I am enjoying myself so much…. !

    How do you connect the Paksitani rape with RSS and Modi. Shriman Raviji is trying his best !! C’mon Manohar, pathak G and mahesh!! Join him!!

    The Crime of the 10 Pakistanis has to be covered !!

    Raviji, rape toh rape hai
    obfuscation obfuscation hai…

    Sach toh sach hai…

    Kyunki

    Sajan re jhoot na bolo
    khuda ke paas jaana hai

    Na haathi hai na ghode hai
    Bas paidal hi jaana hai….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Please declare yourself the winner, as you normally do.

    I have a plane to catch.

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  • Anonymous

    @gopi Thomas , No need to think about germany , PLENTY TO WORRY ABOUT INDIA. Watched SATYAMEV JAYATE.Okay the whole purpose is a dry run for his forthcoming film and also the entire programme is a CINEMA with sharp cutting and camera movements , but none the less IT BARES SOME UGLY SELF OF INDIANS. i AM TALKING OF FEMALE FOETICIDE.Curiously MUSLIM community is not immune to it.My hats off to the plastic surgeon who reconstruced the nose of Mrs Khan , he did an incredible job. Mrs khan’s crime , she gave birth to girl child.
    Contrary to popular prejudice IT IS NOT THE POOR RURAL FOLKS , BUT 100% URBAN professional, son of a ******* (the mother in laws are *******)
    Juxtapose this to the ranting and raving of a CLOWN called mani ******* Aiyyar who was blowing hot air on anti american tirade.Also Mr Pai of Infosys , looks like lives in cloud cuckoo land , when he says “we are a nation of one billion people and we should stand up to america.
    A COUNTRY THAT CANNOT PRODUCE A MILITARY TRUCK imports 90% OF MILITARY HARDWARE will stand up to america.Reminded me of Ashish , THE DELUDED SALESMAN.
    i WILL LICK AMERICAS ARSE WITHOUT ANY HESITATION.
    A country where 60% poulation subsists on 40rs/day will take on america
    Post script Mani Moronic Aiyyar BRAMHIN’S daughter is well settled in America

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Yes, lot to worry about.

    However, we cannot approach all problems as “all India” problems, with a one size fits all (although that is what bureaucrats will want, a large IAS org, staff, budget, stealing..). For example, if we want to really address the issue of Muslim backwardness, we should focus either on UP or the tristate area of UP/Bihar/West Bengal, and then move to other places with similar or different solutions.

    Kerala does not have a fetocide issue; in fact from 2001 census to 2011 census, the ratio of women went up to 1084 to 1000 men from 1058 to 1000 men in 2001. All the other southern states, while not this good, is close to a ratio of 1.

    A girl was never looked down as a problem in kerala – reason may be the absence of dowry, historical matriarchial system where the property passed on to women and not men, early Christian influence, education, communist influence….

    The worst numbers in India are in Delhi and Haryana (866 and 877 for 1000 men), which is a dangerous number in terms of replenishment, closer to the China numbers.

    In an earlier blog I reported that men from certain parts of Haryana are marrying girls from certain parts of kerala – so in a sense the imbalance may foster national integration! It is also possible, with a reduction in available girls, boys in those parts of the country may have to pay dowry to girls – the way market is supposed to work! (we may have a reverse cycle then!)

    In general, south and north east have a decent sex ratio. North and Northwest (including Maharashtra that was a surprise to me) is quite bad.

    The good news is that all the states, including Delhi and Haryana have improved the numbers from 2001 census – except Kashmir, where it went down from 900 in 2001 to an alarming 883 in 2011. It is possible the Kashmir violence has driven many parents not to have children or not to have girl children. I do not think this particular statistic as it relates to Kashmir has not got the attention and deep dive it deserves.

    A ratio of 1020 females to 1000 males is considered ideal from a population replenishment perspective.

    Another alarming report from the last census was affluent families/areas (Delhi, Maharashtra-Mumbai in particular) were choosing only male children..so much for education/economic well being solving problem!

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  • Anonymous

    Pathak ji,

    The issue of rape has got you really worked up.

    What are you suggesting?

    I beleive that most of the reported stories of rape are:
    a) by persons known to the alleged victim
    b) consensual seks when caught by someone else is also reported as rape
    c) when love affair turns sour, it is also reported as rape
    d) when a promise of favour (film role etc) don’t work out, its reported as rape
    e) one male in normal circumstances can’t rape another female unless under influence of alcohol, think about yourself – can you do it?
    f) gang rapes happen as revenge or to settle a score with something else

    Now, eve teasing, groping and passing lewd remarks etc can’t be put in the same category.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    I want you to be around on this blog and lead powerful debates with new guys / bloggers long after I and people of my age retire or move away from this .

    Do not pledge your intelligence cheaply. Sharpen it. Use it. Perfect it.

    It does not matter if you are on the other end of the spectrum. But convince yourself first with a belief system. A system that would reflect your intelligence, your values and YOU.

    Introspect all the points you raised with an ounce of empathy. See the difference.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    I wish you will do this sermonising somewhere else.

    It simply wouldn’t do to assume that people “on the other side of the spectrum” are upto their ****** in ignorance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who am I to stop you, if you are so determined to commit suicide ! Publicly.

    Lest you missed it, I did not ask Ishwar to switch over the side.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ShenoyBV

    It simply wouldn’t do to assume that people “on the other side of the spectrum” are up to their ******[] in ignorance.

    [] – Is that where you hide yours? Smells awful.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, the issue of rapes has got Pathakji’s goat.

    (Nothing to do with some Pakistanis’ fondness for the animal)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Earlier it seemd to have grabbed you by your short and curlies, if one was to judge from the squirms emnating from your throat

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  • Anonymous

    Folks this is what pranab babu had to say
    Mukherjee said Britain, too, allowed taxes to be levied retrospectively. “If they are entitled, then India is surely entitled. India is not inferior to anyone. We cannot be a tax haven just to attract foreign investment,” he said.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Though my question is WHY NOT, they are creating jobs , all the govt is taxing the salary of the employees.Also Govt always gives TAX HOLIDAY for 10 YRS , SO WHY THIS MORONIC STEP

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    Are you saying that it is wrong. Is it?

    Where will Vodafone go. India is a big growth market for them and everyone needs to pay appropriate amount of taxes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Pranab is wrong here. Nobody ever went back to almost 50 years ago!.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh,

    This guy Taleb is definitely very interesting. I googled Fooled by randomness
    and on Wikipedia I read this sentence.

    “Option sellers, it is said, eat like chickens and go to the bathroom like elephants”, which is to say, option sellers may earn a steady small income from selling the options, but when a disaster happens they lose a fortune.”

    Thanks, I will order this book and Black Swan suggested by Shoeb.

    Thanks both of you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not forget to order that Rapidex Angrezi Vol 1, which I had suggested earlier. Who knows there may be a sentence or two in Queen’s English ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    Black Swan has different focus from Fooled by Randomness.
    Another thing about Black Swan is – it is peppered with several anecdotes which un-folded on a much larger scale in a set of events leading to financial melt-down.

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  • Anonymous

    Even God can’t control crime in Uttar Pradesh: Minister

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Even-God-cant-control-crime-in-Uttar-Pradesh-Minister/articleshow/13060314.cms

    When Samajwadi Party rode to power on March 6, a senior government functionary, who had worked in the previous SP regime had quipped, “Dulha (Akhilesh Yadav) kaisa bhi ho, baarati (Samajwadi Party workers) to wahi hain.” His apprehensions appear to gain some strength, as one after the other incidents of SP MLAs, riding high on their success has left the party top-brass red faced.

    From riding a horse on a railway platform to threatening a cop of beating him with shoes, SP MLAs appear to do whatever they can to embarrass their senior leaders. And that too at a time when the party is gearing up to attain a national face.

    —————-

    Read on.

    Akhliesh Yadav must take a leaf out of Gopi’s book – use the firing squad to fix the culprits.

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  • Anonymous

    Some reality check

    It takes an educated girl child to lift a family out of poverty
    Meeta Sengupta

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/educable/entry/it-takes-an-educated-girl-child-to-lift-a-family-out-of-poverty

    Excerpts

    Mere television programs are not going to wash away our sins. Even if it is watched by millions because of Aamir Khan presenting the case against female feticide. The failure is that of our generation. It is a failure to educate and civilize a generation. If such brutality can be practiced on a regular basis by not only those who had little exposure to education, but also by professionals and bureaucrats, then the education system needs to hang its head in shame. It has achieved nothing.

    The sin is not just the killing of our daughters. It is also the neglect and malnutrition of the girl child. Where there is discrimination, we have failed to teach the power of analytical thinking over received and inherited beliefs.

    ———-

    The way out of the female feticide problem is also via education of the girl child who needs to be able to hold her own. A strong public education campaign where the worth of the child is proven must supplement the individual effort.

    This is not a journey a child can undertake on their own. They need safety and mentoring. To whom does the girl turn for support and encouragement? This is a role only a teacher can perform – a sacred trust, in place of the parent. The teacher must do what the parents or society could not do. The school has a large role to play in the community. A greater role than just teaching – education is but a part of what a teacher does. The teachers who cared, who inspired – every girl child needs some of them to start her on journeys that may be more daunting because they are new.

    ———–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Pl see my response to Dr Shantanu’s note on this.

    let us not broadbrush as an all India problem –problems are there, in plenty, but like many others, it is also a localized issue; region/state/history specific

    Also on education and economics – the evidence suggests that the more educated/social climbing/ etc a a family is, the more probability of female fetocide (in areas of the country which already had a bad track on this)..So, the role of edu/ (in terms of conventional edu) is questionable..

    So, if it is not education or money, is it something else – cultural bias, culure…As a Bengali once asked me, can culture be taught to uncultured (uncultured in the sense biased) people?
    Or, is there a partition induced

    One thing i am surprised at is Maharashtra – their gender ratio was much less than what i would have thought –MH being a centre of renaissance in Indian art/music/theater/literature etc..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I understand that the problem is not an all Indian, yet it is an Indian problem. Does this sort of thing happen in any other country? Even I was taken aback with Maharashtra, which otherwise has been in the forefront in many fields. The female of the species is treated like commodity and not as human beings, without whom the species cannot procreate and survive. Such a elementary fact (for which no one needs any education or telling) of the nature is being lost on the culprits. The Governments are aware of the problem and have taken steps to prevent it as far as possible, however that is not enough given the constraints of manpower and infrastructure. Too much overseeing will be taken as an intrusion into one’s privacy and individual rights / freedom.

    How do we teach ourselves to respect the laws and order of the nature?

    As I see this TV programme will help to certain extent the existence of the problem by highlighting what is known.

    Female foeticide will endanger the future of the country, if not tackled on a war footing. Education is suggested as the prime mover to put an end to this crime against humanity. However, this is also prevalent in among the ‘educated’ class. Therefore, the question to ask is what type of education? What other measures are necessary to restore gender equality in numbers? Frankly, I do not have any answers.

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  • Anonymous

    Morena: Mining mafia try to mow down police officer.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/MadhyaPradesh/Morena-Mining-mafia-try-to-mow-down-police-officer/Article1-853222.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this a second one?
    Wasnt there a situation where a young officer was run over? Dd they arrest the mine owner?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is the latest one.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    You wrote sometime back about some ” Ajay G…”
    Sorry, i missed this guy in my journey of life. But good to reopen dialogue with you.
    Manohar,
    waiting for your research results.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Will do so on Friday night, the start of weekend for you. I have to really separate the wheat from chaff.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    That was about Atul Gawande. He was with Bill Clinton – involved in authoring some of the Public Health care policies.
    Incidentally, I got to know of him from my ex-colleague’s wife (both husband and wife are Democrats) following the US public health care policy debate during the last US Presidential election campaign.
    A telling anecdote here – the recent Public Healthcare debate did reveal the American public opinion far well informed about the topic.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    Anagrams – Desi Politicians, etc.
    So many are so apt.

    1) Desi Politicians = Idiotic, painless.

    2) BJP

    bharatiya janata party = At a brainy jar at apathy.
    nitin gadkari = I radiant king.
    sushma swaraj = Jaw harass sum.
    venkiah naidu = Hi! An avid nuke.
    arun jaitley = Jauntily ear.
    narendra modi = Minor and dear.
    murli manohar joshi = Ho-hum major in liars.
    tarun vijay = A vat injury.

    2) Congress Party

    congress party = Scorn gray pest.
    sonia gandhi = Indians go “Ha!”
    rahul gandhi = Huh! A darling.
    abhishek manu singhvi = Shhh! I’m an abusive king.
    jairam ramesh =I’m a harems jar.
    kapil sibal = Labial skip.
    sheila dixit = I sixth ideal.
    prithvi raj chavan = Vajra than rich VIP.
    oomen chandy = Oh My! On dance.

    3) Others

    trinamool = Tail moron.
    janta dal united = Jailed and taunt.
    Shiromani akali dal = I am a kind liars halo.

    sharad pawar = A sharp award.
    nitish kumar = I’m rakish nut.
    jayalalitha = Ya! Halt! A jail.
    mulayam singh yadav = I am mushy, gay vandal.
    akhilesh yadav = Aha! Shaky devil.
    kumari mayawati = A wait, I am a murky.
    raj thackeray = Ya! Jerk a chart.
    bal thackeray= Ya! Blackheart.
    naveen patnaik = Neat knave pain.
    mamata banerjee = Jam a mean beater.
    omar abdullah = Amoral hub lad.

    4) Miscellaneous

    indian army = I’m a randy in.
    pakistani army = I am a spiky rant.
    pakistan = Task pain.

    barak obama = Kaaba rambo.
    Madonna Louise Ciccone = Occasional nude income

    5) Cricketer

    sachin tendulkar = And I lack the runs.

    Enjoy

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Ab Bear pant down kyon nahin karwaye?
    9 jailed in racially sensitive UK sex ring case
    Nine men in northwest England were sentenced to jail Wednesday for luring girls as young as 13 into sex using alcohol and drugs, a case that has stirred racial tensions and sparked claims that UK authorities are failing to protect children in state care.

    Judge Gerald Clifton said the men, all of Pakistani or Afghan origin ranging from age 22 to 59, had treated their victims as “worthless,”and sentenced them for crimes including trafficking and rape.

    The 59-year-old ringleader of the group received 19 years in jail, while others received between four and 12 years.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Pankaj, this has become VERY common in England- sadly 95% are Pakistanis. Minor problem is working class white fqamilies- rudderless, fatherless, kids on the streets

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    My heart weeps for them. They are as much decent human as any. sexplotation of women/ Children is reprehensible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj and Dr mishra

    Sadly our friend Ravi has defended all this. In fact said that yeh “chotti mot ghatna puri duniya mein hoti hai…”

    Instead according to him the focus shoud be on the non existent Modi Modi rape rape and the 5000 rapes happening in India on caste lines

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi has defended those child abusers and Pathakji has defended fake Ravi!

    What a combo!

    Anonymous Reply:

    hmm… wrong. Perhaps it’s 3999. Summer discount.

    Anonymous Reply:

    WHy this rape fantasy di?

    how many daily rapes in CHina ?

    How many daily rpaes in Pakistan?
    How many daily rapes in Iran?

    How many daily rapes everywhere?

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Sexploitation of a different kind :

    The bloggers have raised muslims exploiting girls from others religions. I guess there is some truth in it. Lots of muslim boys fancy girls from other religions perhaps because the girls are open about sexual acts without worrying too much about a particular act is haram or not.

    There is also another side to it. Young college girls in hyderabad to housewives in Mumbai to call centre girls in Gurgaon to socialites in Dubai, hindu girls deliberately seek muslim boys for casual sex. A recently popular bike loving, huge dimpled actress tends to seek out muslim garage mechanics from kalkaji. And she is not alone ! She has a gang of 7-8 married/unmarried friends who hunt muslim car mechanics together. Yes, muslim boys are sort of popular in these all ladies parties. A socialite in Dubai is known to pick up Arab / **** men from clubs/parties every night. Sometimes even truckers from the gas stations. The truckers call her ” hindu rani” and tend to call out “Allah ho…” at the height of climax. Yes, they pretend as if they are fighting a war and our socialite hindu woman loves the act !

    Why am I saying all these ?

    Perhaps, hindu men have lost it somewhere. They tend to intellectualise and live in denials. Today’s women demand sex more than ever. But our men perhaps still would be engrossed in Times magazines, Talk Shows when the women expect them in bed !

    By the way, lives of muslim women are no better ! The muslim men tend to impose too many haram restrictions on them. For them it’s dive start to finish act, without any loving foreplays. These women long for those loving touches or intimacies. Many of them are not even allowed to touch !

    It’s a weird world out there.

    Time we looked within and empower our own lives.

    We can hardly change them. But we can empower our own.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    Sexual fantasies and tastes are as much shaped by non-sexual social biases and social relations. It is much more complex than we we may think.
    Reminds me of a book – Men In Love by Nancy Friday. The book samples and attempts to analyse a categorised collection of American men’s fantasies. Personally for me, Despite being a strong fantasy fodder during those “hormones just go awry every other moment” – it did make interesting reading from purely academic persepective.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Re-joinder to my earlier posting….
    A very stark example is that of Rape used as a tool of agression in almost every society (mostly) by men.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not necessarily by only men. Sample Delhi Yahoo Chatrooms. You will find many young girls openly seeking group of boys to enjoy rape like group sex. These are not rapes in traditional sense. These are perhaps simulated rapes to feed their fantasies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh/Pathak,

    Slightly busy today, perhaps won’t be able to join you folks
    till very late evening. Since the topic of sex has come up,
    cannot stop myself from expressing my views.

    I believe we have kept sex at the top level of morality, only
    if we bring it down to somewhere in middle or better at the
    bottom then probably we would be able to accept extra
    marital sex or sex before marriage without getting into
    uncontrollable rage which sometimes leads to violence and killing of our loved ones.

    Mahesh, I have asked my son to order both the books.

    See you guys.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree. It’s a lot more complex than we think and ready to admit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps, Hindu men have lost it somewhere’.

    Is there any report to the effect.

    I do not think one can generalise it on ethnic, race, religious or any other lines, unless a medical condition hits people in certain geographical area.

    Seeking pleasure from whomsoever is highly a personal matter, to state the obvious – any other would be a deviation. Perhaps, it may be that The Beauty and The Beast syndrome gets into play or seeking forbidden fruits is the name of the game. It is a highly individual pursuit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When there are too many individual pursuits of one kind, it becomes a pattern and slowly an accepted fact.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yet an individual pursuit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak
    I hope there is more than one bike loving hugely dimpled actress — otherwise she may sue you!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope so.

    But then I guess I will take a camera team and visit few garages in kalkaji for on camera confessions. Or, perhaps I will request my source to do an in-camera submission before the magistrate.

    It’s just an indicative now. My future story could be very detailed one.

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  • Anonymous

    Ice skating and Indian Film Music.

    Perhaps many of you must have seen it already.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NprfI4L8rHA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRh2dm4Ptls

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just beautiful.

    The 1st one was remixing or really played out in last Olympics ?

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  • Anonymous

    Why we prefer social convention to rigid rules
    Niranjan Rajadhyaksha

    The entire debate on why the Indian govt has been unable to spend enough on things that benefit all citizens may then have to be reconsidered in terms of our own social preferences, more specifically our historical inability to broaden the arc of cooperation

    http://www.livemint.com/2012/05/03191047/Why-we-prefer-social-conventio.html

    A few years ago, I attended a fascinating lecture by game theorist Avinash Dixit (****). He showed the audience two videos as part of his presentation on how societies coordinate activities. The first video was of a busy traffic intersection in St Petersburg, Russia. People drove at high speeds in the belief that everybody would be paying attention to the traffic lights, but every now and then they were blindsided by a truant driver who jumped the signal. There were car crashes galore on that busy traffic intersection in St Petersburg.

    The second video captured traffic movement at a similar intersection in an unnamed Indian city, but one that had no traffic lights. Every driver was cautious. The vehicles moved slowly but there were no accidents. Dixit used these two videos to explain to us the difference between “law without order” and “order without law”.

    ———–

    **** : Avinash Dixit received a B.Sc.(Hons) from St. Xavier’s College, Bombay University in 1963 in Mathematics and Physics, a B.A. from Cambridge University in 1965 in Mathematics (Corpus Christi College, First Class), and a Ph.D. in 1968 from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Economics.

    Dixit is the John J. F. Sherrerd ‘52 University Professor of Economics at Princeton University,

    In his B.Sc. (Hons) university examinations, he scored 600 out of 600, bettering the score of his own teacher, Prof. B. S Gai – Head of Mathematics Dept, St. Xavier’s College, who had scored 598 out of 600 way back in 1928.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    My US based friend would tell me about his well off friends/relatives visiting him – They are amazed at the interstate highway system, the cleanliness/garbage collection etcetc..Then they start bitching about how bad India is, people do not have sense of cleanliness, blah blah…..

    And they return to India, after their trip. Get back into their comfort zone, do not follow any traffic rules, throw garbage around…….

    That is the telling tale of us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Exactly.

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  • Anonymous

    Pathaksahib wrote
    “Perhaps, hindu men have lost it somewhere. They tend to intellectualise and live in denials. ”
    Many have been saying this on this blog for a long time. But they face considerable hostility for the same. Now can it be said that this is an “admitted fact.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hindu men perhaps do not take care of their women as they should. That’s an admitted fact.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak G and Parveen

    I am not surprised at all by Pathak’s statement. There is a tendency in the blood of Congressis to say something hurtfull to HIndu sentiments to prove thier loyalty towards the Congress. That gets them brownie points and leads to ascendency in the Congress circles and a raise in the perks and access to power you get.

    In case somebody were to make a reverse statment that Muslim girls want to have sex with Hindu men– Pathank G and Gang would suddenly get their familiar weaponary of shouts of — Sangh parivar, Hindutva, jai Sonia Mata, Heil yuvraj – from their armoury.

    To expect Pathak G to talk about Muslim girls haveing sex with Christian, Sikh or Hindu boys would almost mean asking him to surrender his COngess membership.

    Parveen, I have seen the so called activists from close– people like Yogendar Sikand. They had this theory of weakening Hindus from inside– by creating faultines along caste so that either the so called lower castes get converted to Islam or other religions or at least join hands in fighting other Hindus.

    My view is simple. Sex, relationships and friendships are based on emotions. Intermingling of sexes from various religions helps in lowering tensions. But then herin comes the “BATTLE OF THE WOMB.” Most people are happy to see their fellow religionist “males’ conquer females from the other religions, so that the end progeny is a convert.

    Muslims sadly are very very very strict on allowing a girl from their sect to mingle with a Non Muslim. In UK, where I spent a little time a few years back, the Sikhs were worked up about “Muslim men praying on their girls, ” leading to considerable inter community tensions. In Delhi I had seen closely, a high priest of secularism– very very often on TV– having the mortification of having to see his daughter marry a Hindu boy. For one week the entire Delhi Police was deplyed to locate the couple to separate them out. Fortunately some retd army people hid the couple and better swense prevailed.

    So Pathakji, instead of making such antognistic statements of Hindu girls wanting Muslim men, WHY DONT YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD
    ALLOW THEIR GIRLS TO MIX WITH HINDUS, CHRISTIANS AND SIKHS SO THAT THERE ARE NO COMMUNAL TENSIONS…..!!

    Let us not wait for PathakG’s reply. Let us expect a volley of Modi and BJP hereon !!! :) :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As expected… no comments from PathakG

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And pathakji is back to his old tricks.

    My response to his Hindu Girls love to have sex with Muslim boys HAS BEEN CENSORED!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Would be sad in case it was censored. For a healthy debate, all sides have to be heard. We know that communal tensions and resentment rise precisely for this reason.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Keep a copy before you post a long comment.Type in notepad and then paste, like I do these days.

    Just retype for the time being.

    Anonymous Reply:

    False bravado!

    Your 5 days outing must have got buried quietly. All my appointments for the day were pre scheduled and I do not blog from client’s sofa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Outing dependednt on flight tickets… But I can work hard (ly) on my sofa and keep glancing at the blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How many times have I told you that the experienced bloggers don’t punch keys in a hurry? The stuff you read are not from some rag-mags. They are just few from more than 75 case studies researched in last 18 months.

    You wrote a long piece without any substance as usual. Let’s see what are your apprehensions rising out of my posting.

    1) You didn’t dispute that there are many cases wherrein muslim boys date hindu girls. You perhaps trying to know

    a) if muslim boys pursued, or
    b) hindu girls were actively seeking muslim boys, or
    c) hindu girls didn’t resist

    In schools, colleges and in early career stages like call centres, in most cases the muslim boys pursued and hindu girls didn’t resist. More than 80% had violent relationships, yet kept going back inspite of physical abuses.

    At a slightly mature level, the hindu girls were actively seeking muslim boys for casual sex. At this level, women had more than one lover in the past, so in a way sexually aware. This becomes even more prominent where social norms are slightly easy and casual sex is not considered as a taboo.

    You have been mostly dealing with issues in terms of black and white. There are many grey areas that need indepth study.

    Let’s take a look at a few pointers :

    1) The muslim society frowns about this kind of inter-religion relationships.
    2) The muslim society in general encourage muslim boys to date hindu girls.
    3) The muslim women feel proud and encourage their sons to marry hindu girls for many reasons.
    4) It’s easy for hindu girls to integrate in muslim families because of their liberal upbringing.

    Look at same points from the angle of hindu society, you will hit negative in all cases.

    So the reverse dating is rare and unusual.

    Hindu boys do not feel comfortable flaunting their muslim girlfriends. Muslim girls are usually not welcome in hindu households during even courting period, forget about after marriage.

    So the reverse is not so welcoming.

    Despite all your rhetorical writings, you always sound apologetic…

    “Muslims sadly are very very very strict on allowing a girl from their sect to mingle with a Non Muslim..”

    It’s not that they are strict. You rarely have motivation. I can say even you fear. To support a muslim boy-hindu girl, the whole muslim neighbourhood can stand in support. But you may not get support for marrying or dating a muslim girl. You will be looked down upon.

    So don’t blame the muslim boys.

    Blame yourself for your own inadequecy. Don’t blame others.

    See your comment -

    “MUSLIMS SHOULD ALLOW THEIR GIRLS TO MIX WITH HINDUS….”

    See how apologetic you sound despite all your rhetoric postings.

    I am not sure if anybody will ever want to go to a war with you!

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar

    While the gender ratios of many northern and nortwestern states are dismal, the good thing is that they have recorded a slight decadal improvement from 2001 census to 2011 census, even Haryana and Delhi; although it has to be improved significantly.

    To me the million dollar question is J &Kashmir. That is the only state where the gender ratio worsened, worsened by a big number (2% drop is big), from 900 in 2001 to 883 in 2011. Demographers and policy makers and social scientists have to dive in – are more female fetocide happening there because parents do not want to bring up girls in a violent, unpredictable situation there?

    Delhi (866) and Haryana (877) are worse than Kashmir in the ratios; however they are moving in the right track, although very slowly.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In Delhi, the ratio is bad. But the statistic may not be the correct measure as it is home to high male migrant from Eastern states. I notice that 70% of the construction workers here come without their wives. And so do probably the rickshaw pullers and even the domestic helps. These probably make up almost 10 % of Delhi’s population.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    CHINA HAS THE LARGEST POPULATION IN THE WORLD.
    NOT BECAUSE THE MEN ARE EXTRA HORNY
    OR,THE WOMEN ARE EXTRA FERTILE.
    BUT,BECOZ
    *
    *
    *
    *
    THEIR CONDOMS ARE,
    “MADE IN CHINA!”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 one!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Superb joke.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi-

    One cause of the gender decline in Jammu and Kashmir may be the fear of forced conversion/marriage to Muslims/Jehadists.

    Another reason may be an overall decline in population there due to Pandits etc being forced out/leaving on their own. Did Jammu and Kashmir have a population increase in par with the country over the 10 year period?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    2011 Census Figures All India

    1) Total population: 1,210,193,422
    Male population: 623,724,248
    Female population: 586,469,174

    Sex ratio: 940 females per 1000 males

    2) Decadal Growth Rate (2001-2011)
    Total: 18, 14, 55,986 (17.64 %)
    Male: 9, 15, 01,158 (17.19 %)
    Female: 8, 99, 54,828 (18.12 %)

    3) Population (0-6 years)
    Total: 15, 87, 89,287 (13.12 %)
    Boys: 8, 29, 52,135 (13.30 %)
    Girls: 7, 58, 37,152 (12.93 %)

    Sex ratio: 914 females per 1000 males

    4) Literacy
    Total: 77, 84, 54,120 (74.04 %)
    Males: 44, 42, 03,762 (82.14 %)
    Females: 33, 42, 50,358 (65.46 %)

    The worrying point is statistics under (3) above.

    Brides form states like Kerala are being sought in states in Punjab and Haryana to correct the sex ratio.

    Check this out interactive map to get data on individual states.

    http://www.mapsofindia.com/census2011/interactive-female-sex-ratio-map.html

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  • Anonymous

    Can I stay without this blog ? Came home for a quick lunch.

    A lady went to the store to buy a parrot. Salesman shows her a parrot and quotes
    the price of 20000/- Lady ” What is so special about this parrot?”
    Salesman ‘ this parrot can talk’
    Lady asks the parrot ‘ how do I look ?’
    Parrot ” You look like a **** ”
    Lady gets angry and tells the salesman that she cannot buy such a rude parrot.
    Salesman requests her to wait for few minutes, takes the parrot back of the store
    and shoves it in the bucket of icy water. Pulls him back after few minutes and
    tells ” if you disrespect the lady again, I will soak you again in this water’.
    Salesman asks the lady to ask again anything from parrot.
    Lady ‘ If I come home with one man what would you think ‘
    parrot ‘ he is your husband ‘
    lady ‘ two men’
    parrot ‘ your husband and your brother’
    lady ‘ three men’
    parrot ‘ your husband, your brother and your husbands brother’
    lady ‘ four men’
    parrot shouted ‘ bring the bucket of water, I told you she is a ****’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Great!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, I like it.

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  • Anonymous

    Since population is also a subject of discussion here,

    a comparison between Indians and Americans should interest us:

    POPULATION COMPARISION:

    Indian:I have 4 sisters and 3 brothers
    What about you?
    American:I have no sisters or brothers..
    But I have
    4 Moms from 1st dad,
    5 dads from 1st mom..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    _BVS

    This beats all your other jokes!_(the chinese condom is a good one too)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Simply great.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A very nice one.

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  • Anonymous

    In the SC today:
    a) The govt. withdrew its review petition on 2G judgement, and
    b) Tejinder Singh withdrew his criminal defamation case against the army chief

    ——-
    Who has the inside story to share on these?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whatever brief news I have read so far, the court was not willing to “relook at the case in totality”, and the Govt was not interested in partial reconsideration.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    In the second case, he has told to file a case in an appropriate forum/court, the Supreme Court is not the one to start with.

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  • Anonymous

    Also, the SIT has rejected the amicus curiae’s observation against Modi. The point by point rebuttal can be read on the link below:

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3401728.ece

    The report said the allegations of Mr. Modi making provocative statements over the media could not be substantiated. The allegation of his having told Zee TV in an interview that the Gulberg Society massacre was the “result of the provocative firing from inside” by Ahesan Jafri could not be established as the channel, despite several reminders, did not produce the CD of the recording. The second instance of The Times of India quoting him on Newton’s theory of action and reaction to justify the riots as a reaction to the Godhra train carnage was also found baseless. The State Information Department promptly issued a denial that Mr. Modi did not speak to The Times of India at all and the newspaper was forced to carry the denial, though deliberately in an obscure corner, the SIT said
    ——–

    The facts are too obvious!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The action reaction theory was Rajiv gandhi’s third law of rioting– ! Congress actually uses its Physicas formulae on others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did Narendra Modi govt pay for SIT chief Raghavan’s foreign trips?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Did-Narendra-Modi-govt-pay-for-SIT-chief-Raghavans-foreign-trips/articleshow/13072761.cms

    What was the need for amicus curiae Raju Ramachandran to put down these words in his final report before the Supreme Court which became public this week? “The cost for boarding and lodging for both the amicus curiae at BSF mess, Gandhinagar as well as the cost for local transportation by private taxi was arranged by the SIT…the cost of travel from Delhi to Ahmedabad and back (for both the advocates) was borne by the amicus curiae. In all the interactions with the witnesses, my advocate colleague Gaurav Agrawal was present.”

    ————

    Read on.

    The SIT is not the final word on the matter. Leave it to the courts to decide who is right and who is wrong. Both the SIT and the Amicus Curiae were appointed by the Supreme Court.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me begin by saying that ToI is a s.h.i.t newspaper and I don’t give a damn to the speculating stories it prints to get eyeballs. My response couldn’t have been any better than one of the reader’s on the same website. He says:

    =======
    If Mr Raghavan wanted to gain any monetary benefit out of ‘fixing’ his SIT investigation, he only had to make one phone call to Congress and they would have made sure that he gets wealthy beyond his wildest dreams….they would have easily made him Governor of some state or even President! And TOI (Toilet Paper of India) wants us to believe that if someone like Mr Ragahavan is willing to throw away a hard-earned reuptation for integrity, he will just settle for a few foreign trips..what a joke!!
    =======

    Now, to somehow get Mr. Modi framed, you are banking on amicus and he in turn is banking on Mr. Sanjeev Bhatt – it is as good as clutching the last straws. His lies has already been exposed. The Indian Penal Code works on ‘witness’ and ‘proof’ and not on anyone’s personal opinion – no matter how qualified.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did he accept the foreign trip benefits from Gujarat govt or not ?

    Answer should be just YES or NO. I do not think it needs any big explanation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Possibly YES, so what?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He shouldn’t have because he was investigating a case against the Govt./Modi.
    Mr Raghavan is not new to procedures and protocols. He knows what is a “favour”. Bribing is not always in the form of cash. There are ways to “soften” people. You might have offered tea and biscuits to the guy who came investigating your credentials for your passport. You knew you are trying typo bribe/soften him. This is no different. Only thong the stakes are high here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agreed.

    However, a former CBI director knew what he was doing – it doesn’t take a lot of effort to find out how an airfare/holiday has been paid for. His integrity couldn’t come this cheap.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We always have difficulty in saying “NO”.
    We always think people might feel bad. The begining of the problem.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a pathetic, gutter level attack on an honourable public servant on technicalities. State govt paying travel expense is nothing. The sad thing is that one can go after anybody these
    days because there is always something. I am sure Delhi metro’s Sridharan must have traveled in a contractor’s helicopter. Are we going to nail him for that? .

    Democracy in india will be served better if we shut down the likes of TOI and Tehelka

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your intolerance to divergent and contrary views and opinions shows.

    How about The Daily Pioneer and The Organiser? Should they be shut down too to serve democracy better because others find it prejudiced in favour of Modi and the BJP, as you find TOI and others prejudiced against?

    Anonymous Reply:

    anybody who reports with a slant instead of contextual facts should be banned..they are dangerous for democracy

    Anonymous Reply:

    All readers may not be intelligent enough to notice the hidden intent behind an article/story.

    A number of them take things at its face value.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Selective amensia!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not surprised by your post. Sorry do not agree.

    Free flow of information and views are cornerstones of a free and democratic society.

    Take this blog, for instance, we have all types of views expressed and arguments. Isn’t it exhilarating?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Honourable men behave honurably.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are entitled to your (prejudiced or otherwise) views/opinion on any media and it is your birthright. If you give a damn, so be it. One can say that reader belongs to the same school of thought as you. Others do not have to agree with you and not with him either. There are other contrary views by other readers, we leave them aside, as you must have read them too, to pick one out of the lot.

    I am not banking on any one report and will not, unlike you? Please read my post above carefully, i said leave it to the courts, where both sides will argue their cases and the witnesses will be called to testify and can be cross examined.

    If it comforts you that the SIT is the final word on the matter (and the court will have to accept it as it is) and other person’s views do not matter, thus absolving Modi, suit yourself. I cannot do anything about it and do not wish to either, it is your life. Your desperation for a clean chit shows and why not?

    “The Indian Penal Code works on ‘witness’ and ‘proof’ and not on anyone’s personal opinion – no matter how qualified”.

    Precisely. Even SIT’s conclusions are opinions and the Supreme court felt that the matter needed to be looked into by another entity, therefore amicus curiae was appointed, who has looked at the same evidence and documents collected by the SIT and reached different conclusions/opinions. That is where courts and lawyers come in.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Manohar,

    I was wondering if the SIT report had implicated Mr. Modi and an amicus curiae’s report was more sympathetic to him, would anyone have even bothered to listen to what the poor amicus had to say!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why not? If it were otherwise, I would be the first one to say so, because the final arbitrators are the courts – not the SIT nor the AC.

    Also please note that the BJP/Modi/Gujarat government will be party to the trial and no judgment will be taken without they arguing their case. Didn’t our legal system put Kasab through a trial and was provided with a defence lawyer at every stage? I am told that Raju Ramchandaran will be arguing Kasab’s case in the Supreme Court. Does it make him a traitor, a terrorist a Muslim and/or a /Pakistani? No.

    Similarly, whoever represents Modi cannot be labeled as whatever adjectives are used to describe Modi by his detractors and opponents

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    the congressi troll was swearing that Times of India is the epitome of truth and facts!

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  • Anonymous

    BENGAL celeberates all the idiotic things !!

    To get the bongs on the path of enterprise is a challenge Hillary must have taken without knowing the pitfalls. She did all the right things– praised bong culture, the food, Amartya Sen, architecture,Tagore… !!

    But Bongs being Bongs… they have now set a new goalpost and launching a campaign for her defaming Tagore!

    Apparently there are some spelling mistaskes in the artpiece she presented to mamta, which has a Tagore picture with his poem in Bengali. Now obviously a CPM led signature campaign has been mounted against the yanks!

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/hillarys-gift-to-mamata-full-of-spelling-mistakes-208605?pfrom=home-otherstories

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Feeling light headed today ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I feel light headed when you put in a posting post daru :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Unlike you I don’t post much after Daru. This wasn’t definitely.
    BTW, keep branding Bongs – see if your Khap Panchayat sends you accolades while you keep racing down the cerebral levels.

    Anonymous Reply:

    After three hours of brainstromiing you could only come up with this? I mean.. i could actually hear your brains crank from VT to new Delhi….

    Wish you well in your effort to become a Porn star- as stated by you. With sunny now in India… it must really be an incentive :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unlike you, I have better things in life than parading the juvenile wisdom at drop of hat.
    And yes that includes being a Porn star – which is way better life than what you represent here. Good Luck with your juvenile wisdom.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Here is a link to Atul Gawande’s wonderful article…
    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan (and Ravi) and others;

    How radical Mullahs want to enjoy 70 virgins here on the ground while they send the youngsters upstairs:

    Today’s NY times – “the European Court rejected the request of the preacher, Abu Qutada, whose real name is Omar Mahmoud Mohamed Othman, to refer his case to its most senior panel of appeal judges, the latest stage in a legal battle that has dogged the British government for a decade.

    Mr Mohamed Othman says he could face TORTURE if he is sent to Jordan, his native country.

    S, this Mullah does not like to be tortured, want to live a nice life in Britain; although he sends batches of young Muslims to suicide attack..

    NY times says — Abu Qutada, alias Mahamud Othman, is a radical preacher, one who gave spiritual inspiration to the 9/11 terrorists.

    Is Ravi going to accuse NY Times for not reporting saffron attacks somewhere else?

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  • Anonymous

    Pathak G

    You gave a very funny reply wherin you justify sex between hindu girls and Muslim men and justify that the reverse — muslim women and Hindu men is wrong.

    This is the sort of viewpoint which encourages love jehad and the sort of warped thinking the Paksitani paedeophilics had.

    I was calling for a liberal society wherein there is a two way interaction. You were blaming it on scared hindus!! Again the line taken by the Pakstanis when they forcibly covnert Hindu, Christian and sIKH girls.

    Pathak G dont you think you suffer from a Stockholm syndrome?

    My intention is to remove communal tensions. You are ending up promoting them by fostering a wrong attitude. And the atttitude– we can go out with your giirls, but you cant with ours– is the root cause of a negative attitude towards Islam in many countries.

    Accept the truth and dont obfuscate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Among all their other problems, “girls” is a minor problem Islam is facing today. “girls” will be fixed (no pun intended) if other issues are addressed.

    Anyway, time to move on to some other subject…..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I would love to move on. Problem is lies are promoted under the banner of screaming at reason. Yesterday it was Ravi, today it was Pathak g. The mirror of truth has to be shown.

    Unfrtunately accepting the truth is difficult.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mirror of truth!

    Did somebody tell you pumping a cycle tube is not same as firing a cryogenic engine!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok, cool down all.

    Now I clearly see how Gazani and Timur and Babar were able to take over us so easily….

    Come to think of it, even our so called “rajput heroes” gave away their daughters and sisters (and in one case almost his wife too) to the marauders.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘even our so called “rajput heroes” gave away their daughters and sisters (and in one case almost his wife too) to the marauders.’

    Perhaps, they did not consider them ‘marauders’, but as conquerors and welcomed. In those days the underlying principle was Might is Right (we may or may not agree) and most wish to be on the side of the victor in order to survive, prosper and wield power (even second hand) – nothing wrong – it happens even today. Seems, the people of yore were much more tolerant of others (locals or invaders – it did matter which labels they wore) than you are of Muslims.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar
    No; I take good, go after the bad.
    Actually, I am indebted to two MArathi writers for my deep interest in India and all its magnificence – decades and decades ago I read Yayathi by VS Khandekar and Mrithyunjay by Shivaji Samanth. These books attracted me so much; that a journey started.

    Anonymous Reply:

    On this I agree. You are entitled to your views – I have never contested that right of anybody. My last sentence was only a reflection of what you have been saying more explicitly for the last two months or so and it is on that basis I continue to debate with you – as Vinay said no point debating with yes men. It will be only waah, waah.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mirror, mirror on the wall
    tell the truth, or you would fall
    Is not Vinod Sharma’s face the handsomest on the telly?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Certainly is… I always see gul panaga and Nidhi smiling when our sirjee is there :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    The dumbest reply you could ever give.
    You are getting habitual of giving such replies.

    I did not say if anything is right or wrong. I told you as it happens out there, away from your cocoon.

    You always been blaming them taking your women away.

    No. You are to be blamed got not holding your women in place.

    You are basically a weakling.

    You just crib, crib and crib.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for telling me I am a weakling. It just confirms that you are unable to see an issue in totality. Here is a list of reason why Sikhs, Hindus and Chirstians cannot date Muslim women.

    a) At work places there are less muslim women becasue of a sad neglect of education

    b) At places of interaction there are family restrictions and social Islamic restrcitions on Muslim women to interact with males, especially males of other religions.

    c) In case a Muslim woman steps out there is a scream from the orthodoxy to bind her… and marry her off quick and early.

    d) There is risk of life and that of communal tensions especailly by muslim Orthodoxy in case a Non muslim were to date a Muslim woman.

    The same set of rules apply much less or maybe not at all to Muslim boys in case they were to seek partners i other religions.

    But Pathak G the Great would now blame the entire world– the weak, meek, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians for their inability to date Muslim women.

    Gr8 spin! rahulG would be delighted !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This was for your repeated attempt to blame ‘them’ rather than understanding your own inadequecy.

    To address any issue, first deal with the issue honestly. You just pretend to be addressing a problem and continue shout about the problem. Of late, I have started doubting your very basic ability of understanding any problem.

    The problem is that you are not honest even with yourself.

    You thrive on ambiguity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think I am very honest in catching a motivated agenda. You were not strong enough to say that Muslims are worng in putting shackles on their girls. I am sure you still will not ahve the gits to say that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    committed congressies with guts!

    Haa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are still hung up on ‘them’, even after such a long discussion.

    Look within.

    See what you can do to yourself to make yourslf stronger and better rather than worrying about them.

    It’s about us. Not them.

    Get it right once for all.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dekh liya aap ka dum! You will never be able to szay that Muslims should not fear in case their girls develop butterfly wings !!

    Bahut darpok ho aap Pathak G!! Bahut zaida !

    Anonymous Reply:

    SERMONS, SERMONS AND MORE SERMONS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you have gone back to sermonising.

    You have used offensive language without the slightest provocation.

    And all for telling you your views are subjective and I have proof of their being wrong when we consider an area or city outside your cocoon.

    For all your bravado about being able to hold your woman withing an iron grip, things may be different behind your back for all you know.

    You have, avoidably, given the sort of respectability to engrich, even a Pakistani Muslim website would have hesitated to give.

    Your rant shows that you know nothing about love jihad or you know about it and approve it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for telling women of weak men reach out to others. Time you re-evaluated such possibilities in the backyard.

    The whole point is stop blaming others for one’s own inadequacy.

    Be it sex or security.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Long time ago, he had blamed the lack of security in Gujarat during 2002 to the Muslims of Godhra. That is how dumb a person can be or attempting to be too clever by half to defend the indefensible.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    it was painful to read the post, which was bearing the stamp of engrich all over it, being endorsed by Pathakji as Allah’s sacred truth.

    The funniest part was about the Hindu girls rounding up all Muslim mechanics and having sex orgies with them!

    My niece, who has married a Muslim doctor and is herself a gynaecologist in Hyderabad, has diametrically opposite opinion about Muslim girls and women wanting to mate with Hindu boys/men.

    WHY DO GIRLS LIKE MECHANICS? BECAUSE MECHANICS KNOW HOW TO SCREW!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The world out there is very different. Vijay wouldn’t know what happens behind the blinds at Sarvodaya Enclave, SDA or Niti Bagh – forget about Golf Link or Sundar Nagar.
    Going by his general reactions, he is yet to see the Delhi underbelly. If not Vijay, how can you?

    Stuff that used to happen in early eighties might shock you. This is 2012.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Niti bagh is where mau Singhvi lived and a lot must be happening there :) And sundar nagar… ever since the day I had a chat at sweets corner… I make it a point to visit it every month.

    I am a still an innocent boy even though I have seen a lot of Delhi– belly and underbelly. I always think and do maintain that sex as a pleasure is grossly overated. :) :)

    You can have more fun having a beer…

    Girls whom I knew yesterday… put on a false accent, rub the best perfume… but I still fall for the innocent smile and the twinkle in the eye.

    Pasand apni apni !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    When you over-rate sex, your girl might just reach out elsewhere. Be careful.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Food for thought. I think humanity for reasons of commerce have expanded an evolutionary act to a point where it does not sustain evolution. Someday I’l explain this..

    But ishq ki haar ka bhi mazaa alag hai…

    Anonymous Reply:

    She can do ishq with you and sex with another.

    Then don’t blame him for ‘the battle of womb’ and crib.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s food for thought too. But then the same can happen to you…

    But till now no girl has ever told me that I am the worst guy around so I guess I’ll survive..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good for you so long you don’t blame others for your oversight.

    Always remember the onus is on you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think interreligous marriage can be a binder ot society. But a one way inter religoius marriage scenario will promote alienation between communities.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay, Shoeb, Pathak, Dr Shan and other guys interested in business/technology (or lack of it as Dr Shan always alludes to):

    From today’s Wall Street Journal:

    AT&T has short listed four Indian start ups for investment/technology partnerships.

    Chennai-based Invention Labs is one of the four short listed companies. AT&T has shortlisted Invention Lab to build on the firm’s communication technology set for people with neuromuscular and developmental disabilities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Thanks for the info. This is an area in which I happen to have a keen interest. I am working in a small way with a team which is taking a radically different approach of stimulating areas in the brain for recovery of LOST abilities.

    I hope Invention Lab does India proud.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    That company looks quite innovative. Hope your small endeavour will get the attention too once it comes out of the incubator.

    The whole environment here is very positive about India – to the extent many opinion makers have started saying India now reflects the age old (and now lost) American values – entrepreneurship, aspiration, innovation, “can do”etc etc.

    The Indian business and academic leaders here have helped a lot to formulate the positive image – people like Mrs Indra Nooyi (Pepsi), Ajay Banga (Master Card), Ramani Iyer (Hartford), Vikram Pandit (Cit), Narayanan (Governor of Federal Reserve Bank Minneapolis), Fareed Zakaria, Dr Raghuram Rajan etc

    This indeed is the time for a forward looking GOI (if there was one) to cement relationships with the US business and technology circles.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you for for your wishes! Research and furthering the frontier of knowledge can at times be such a scary thing… what if we dont achieve ANYTHING at all? What if we do 90% of the way… and competition does the last 10% faster?

    But our bottomline as my partner tells us… is that we all do have alternate means of income… so even if we come out with a triple zero at the end of it… we will not die of hunger.

    The chase has to be as interesting as the end result.

    There is somthign about Indians which will make them work well outside under strict discipline. Thye will shine.

    Yet there is just so much chaos out here… that the amazing talent gets lost somewhere. We really need effective role models. Narayan Moorthy for me would have abeen a good role model president as Azim Premji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Your first paragraph sums up the innovator’s dilemma.

    However, India also has a good network of angel/venture/private equity investors, mentors, advisers – so, even if only a few becomes successful, it will still be a large number because of the large number of initiatives you guys have there all across – Chennai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Bnaglore, Pune, Mumbai, and even smaller cities like Trichy, Coimbatore, Mangalore, Nasik etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes support systems are coming up. India really can be a huge tech hub. Despite knowing how things work here… I still do at times get perplexed after meeting amazing talent in companies and then getting totally lost in the chaos outside..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank. I will take a look at their website for details. I have come passing interest in the subject.

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  • Anonymous

    President Obama has endorsed ’same sex marriage”.

    Although it does not have any constitutional or legal underpinnings (since marriage is a state subject), it is perceived as a major “Civil rights” accomplishment.

    The political pundits are perplexed as to why he would do this at this time – they do not see any upside in his electoral victory probability, but sees downside.

    The consensus is that he has taken a bold decision without any electoral calculation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy and others.

    My personal view is that a different word be used to denote the union of people of the same sex, instead of marriage – so that the sanctity (of whatever it is worth today) of the latter is maintained and there is no confusion.

    How about garriage?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As long as these people are not dumped in garage

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think India is maturing and at least in big towns there is not such a huge issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, India is quite tolerant and progressive in many aspects.

    In fact it is time immemorial . The deity of Sabarinala, (where people dress up in black robes to visit), the most important temple of Kerala, is Ayyappa or Manikanta, the son of Shiva and Vishnu, born in their union when Vishnu was supposed to have taken a female role for some purpose.

    Many of the so called “morals” in sex widely accepted in India (and the world) are really a western Judeo-christian concept, quite foreign to the indigenous systems and beliefs that were in place in India..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Quite interesting!

    My rather evolutionary view of sex is that it is now riding on artificail repsiration for now ! Well sex has to be sustained with mystery and want.

    Maybe just maybe, in the next 100 years science and fiction may merge and free sex from procreation and just keep it as a means of recreation. Something like the food industry. Evrything is available in the market… but most of it is bad for health.

    But then this is a crazy thought out of a sleepy head… so laugh or cry… I just said this!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually, you are into an interesting concept – separation of the functions into two distinct activities.

    Well, when our forefathers wrote “kamasutra” , they were focused on the recreation aspect; not much onto the procreation..

    For procreation , especially for an ideal progeny, they did special recreation under prescribed and ordained structure and rules..

    Anonymous Reply:

    My theme for a book someday ! Well our forefathers were certainly advanced…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought recreation was 99.9999999%….was there ever doubt or second opinion on that? Whoever does it only for procreation, is definitely in trouble. Time to rethink.

    Anonymous Reply:

    or into garbage.

  • Anonymous

    Is this new round of SIT/Raghvan/Bhatt etc to cover up the Sangvi explosion? btw, how come there is total silence on this?

    Any inside info?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    Yes, now I have a vague recollection of Atul, like him, bobby jindal has also contributed a lot for health reforms. India is shining in US and Europe, let us nurture this bond and bring ourselves in the first world category, may be in next 100-150 years, but time to start is right now.
    I remember a guy, with last name kavishwar, of course a Maharashtrian, who was asst. secratary or under secratory in Bush (Sr?) administration.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh & Pankaj

    I suppose one of the most recognizable and prominent Marathi Manoos would be Vikram Pandit – CEO Citibank.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Shareholders are after Vikram Pandit. They rejected/declined his pay proposal; the first time this has happened (pursuant a rule instituted after the meltdown) in USA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    Didn’t he work for free (US$ 1 annual salary) for the first three years as the CEO to get the bank out of one royal mess?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, he did work for $1. However, the bank is in deep doodoo; owing lots to uncle Sam in TARP funds.

    I believe he is over $1 now; however, there was a board proposal for the usual high compensation for CEOs for him; but it got voted down by shareholders in the shareholder meeting in March..

    In fact, many analysts report that Citi will have to shrink to a small bank. They also say Vikram Pandit has not done a good job (it is quite difficult to turn that mammoth around)

    You can google to find out what happened at the shareholder meeting/proposal.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Vikram Pandit is ofcourse a formidable name. so far he has not tripped, however, unless he turns around citi bank fortunes, he could be a member of Ex. group. That seat is very hot seat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought he has already turn the fortunes of the bank – brought it back from brink of disaster. Hasn’t he?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    not exactly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    True that.
    Manohar,
    Remember it was the US government that lent a much bigger share of helping hand.

    Anonymous Reply:

    On paper his salary increment reflects few thousand percent increment as the base salary was1$. Hence the dispute.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    For some reasons I don’t have a Great opinion about that person. He may be successful – but from my perspective Naralikars, Gawandes and Bhatkars are more accomplished.
    To be sure – I am a nobody compared to Mr. Pandit and yet it doesn’t prevent me from having a opinion about the person.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Is it because he is ‘Pandit’ ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nah. See Binoy’s reply below. Basically, it is this – Citi was saved more beacuse of TARP money than anything else. Least of it being Mr. Pandit.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Just out of curiosity, was Mr. Pandit against TARP and if not than why should he
    not being the CEO of Citigroup share the credit for this?
    I believe all the troubled banks in US took money from Government
    under this relief program TARP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    A bit of history here.
    TARP was US government’s intervention that prevented big banks from going down. Mr. Pandit’s being opposed to or in favour of TARP never really mattered and hence was inconsequential.
    p.s. : Am posting a Rolling Stone article summarizing how Fin. Reforms were scuttled.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I know what TARP is and many banks in US took funds from US government
    Under this relief program. I don’t hold any brief for Mr. Pandit, I only know
    that he is a CEO of Citigroup and he used to draw only USD 1 as a salary but
    under his stewardship this bank has managed to turn around a bit. Credit should
    not go only to TARP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK. Let us agree on dis-agreement here.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar coins new word, garriage, gay marriage. Hehe nice

    Vijay says beer is better than sex. Call yourself Punjabi young man, you have shamed us. Pl someone throw him in Jamuna

    Pathak ji hindu muslim maariage should be two way street. I should be allowed to marry Tabu, Dia Mirza, Katrina, Vijay can come to my 3 in 1 marriage and drink all beer he wants. Bloody naamard
    hehe

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,

    There is no question of “you should be”.
    You just go ahead and do it. Make all 3 happy if they have no problem of living under one roof.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre baba Joke maara sir !!

    Of course sex is more interesting… but kehne me kya jaata hai!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ladki chali jaati hai…kahin aur…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sir, dont worry too much about my girl. Bhaag gayi toh aur aa jaa gayi…

    Till now nobody has died of boredom in my company…

    now as a reverse question… Make sure your own flock remains with the shephard.

    Aap ka kya hoga Janaan-e-aali?
    Aap ka kya ho-o-gaa …

    Anonymous Reply:

    My basic instincts are never misplaced. Never diluted with beer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Try whiskey, your instincts will become more sharp.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Shall try this weekend.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    your basic instincts may never be misplaced, but your censoring instincts need to be replaced.

    Since this morning more than ten of my posts have been censored. Do you have anything to comment on the vanishing posts?

    Vijay had asked you a question about the need for you to keep your own flock guarded, but you have gone off on a tangent!

    Anonymous Reply:

    I told you to type in notepad and paste in the board. This way, your long posts will be safe.

    I can’t help it if you don’t understand the straight replies. Ask vijay to explain you. Mohan seem to have understood. It’s sad you couldn’t.

  • Anonymous

    Diary of a baby.

    15th Jun I get attached with an ovary.
    17th June I am a tissue now.
    30 June Mom said to Dad ‘ you are going to be a father ‘
    Mom and Dad are very happy.
    15th Jul my food is what my mom eats.
    15 Sep. I can feel my heartbeat.
    14 Oct. I have little hand, legs and head.
    13 Nov. Today I was in an ultrascan. Wow I am a girl.
    14 Nov. I was DEAD.
    My Mom and Dad killed me. Why? It is just because I was a girl?
    People love to have MOTHER, a WIFE, of course a GIRLFRIEND too, then why not a DAUGHTER.

    .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Excellent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Should have sent to Amir for his Satyanev Jayate episode

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Amir Khan is talking to people on Akash Vani and Vividh Bharati on this Saturday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What time? Do they have internet channels?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It brought tears to my eyes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    really well written. makes you think and makes you angry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    The unborn child’s cry is heart-rending,
    The parents’ action is stomach churning,
    The society’s acquiescence in this act is heart-breaking.
    The silence of the law is shocking.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    Pl publish this plus a version of mohans (he says his friend created that) –in Hindi also…it will/should add to the dialogue and lead to positives

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    If this will not stop the parents from the dastardly action…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    A notion of workable development approach I have is that the planners and implementors should bottle the Kerala social development model and the Gujrat economic development model and implement in select states.

    However, gendercide is the result of a deliberate action, and not the result of inaction like in other social ills. And the unfortunate thing is that the more
    educated and wealthy one is, more incidence of this.

    Manohar in one of his comments included an interactive colour map with statewide statistics yesterday. The whole arc of north and northwest is red and brown (showing a low ratio). I was really surprised with the bad ratio of Maharashtra, and to some extent of Gujrat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Except in South , almost every where we are facing this problem, and the worst
    part is that educated people are involved in this heinous crime. This program by
    Aamir Khan may have some effect and what you have suggested also should
    be seriously looked into .

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    You certainly have good ideas, going great. keep up posting regularly.

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  • Ravi

    Girls sexually abused, paraded naked, forced to work at kids’ shelter

    ROHTAK: Children living at a shelter run by an NGO here were sexually abused, beaten, molested and made to work as labourers on farms and construction sites, a raid by the National Commission for Protection of Child Rights has uncovered.

    Read on…http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Girls-sexually-abused-paraded-naked-forced-to-work-at-kids-shelter/articleshow/13089865.cms

    Sadly no sooterdhari Dr Mishra here to pontificate for these kids. No muslims in sight for Vijay and Gopi to knee jerk against them. No Dr Shan to stand by this being a part of the Sexual Jihad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good that you got up early — if u r in UK– to post somehting which damns your villians, but this wont even cover the paedophillia by the Paksitanis.

    Many NGO’s in India and all over the world misuse their freedoms over the helpless. Some goras, especailly Brits and Dutch set up a number of NGO’s in Goa and SOuth for chilsren which were a cover up for paedophilia..

    However nobody rushed to defend them– the way you did for the Paksitanis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BREAKING NEWS, BREAKING NEWS
    ==============================

    It is actually back-breaking news for NGOs
    ____———–________———-______———–

    CENTRE FREEZES ACCOUNTS OF 30 NGOs
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For working against India’s national interests.

    http://expressbuzz.com/nation/centre-freezes-accounts-of-30-ngos-in-crackdown/390551.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fru..g corrupt ‘ human rights’ people…KG Balakrishnan is the head of some human rights commission..ensuring people are stealing more than the constitution allows

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am amazed at your new found love for constitution. Did the Hindu Taliban lay you off ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Is there an organisation called “Hindu Taliban’?

    Do you know how one gets membership?

    Is there any “basic qualifications”? or “internet murders” is sufficient?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You decide and let me know what the formal criteria should be.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I think this is your daaru doing the talking for you.

    You should have asked this question of the fake calling himself Ravi.

    He is the acknowledged rep. of the ISI. He may lead you to the taliban website from where you can download the application.

    He may straightaway give you an honorary membership to the inner circle.

    If you want to join the RSS, I may guide you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    It is obvious that Gopiji is speaking out of frustration because of the things
    as they are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    It’s better to keep quiet sometimes. Don’t use your “kehne mein kya jaata hai” approach all the time on any topic. Keep your sensitive side alive.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy and Vijay Kumar,
    Can you please point out and prove on this blog where and who has defended the UK paedophiles ?
    Please feel free to shut up and stop being a cheat if you can’t.
    p.s. for Vijay Kumar : I have responded to your yesterday night posting. Now go and invent something to respond to it. That should keep you busy and hone your juvenile wisdom further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This kind of sexual abuse on such a mass scale is beingorganised by none other than the RSS and its brhmnst, zionst organisations.

    It is a wonder you are in the dark(?) about it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Given your sympathies , you will once again fail to discern THAT THE MOLESTERS DID NOT SPARE THEIR CO RELIGIONIST , which your SOUL MATES were extreemely careful in seeing that NO MUSLIM GIRL IS TOUCHED

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    Ravi Reply:

    And to you that amounts to carefully planned Religious Jihad where sex with underage girls was the weapon of choice.
    You continue to believe that if you like. I dont. I think these were opportunistic villians who groomed vulnerable children for SEX and their religion was by the by.
    ________________________________

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar,

    this is particularly for you:

    IPS officer Bhatt crossed all bounds to attack Modi
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    “The month of May kept Sanjeev Bhatt busy trying to get his cronies to influence P. Chidambaram and cook up false evidence and cobble pressure groups. On 18 May he sends a mail to Nasir Chhipa, who is supposed to be close to the Congress party, telling him, “I was told by Ms. Shabnam Hashmi that Home Minister P. Chidambaram can be influenced by pressure groups in the US. All appeals for the safety of witnesses, including myself, have not received the desired response from PC. You may have to work a little on this aspect….” (Mr Chidambaram, kindly note what the IPS officer you recently praised for insubordination thinks of you.)

    On 19 May Nasir Chhipa replies, “We have wrote (sic) letters yesterday to Sonia, IAMC wrote letters and many other organizations. I will email you later.” (IAMC stands for Indo-American Muslim Council.) On 28 May Sanjeev Bhatt writes, “Dear Nasirbhai, Any progress on the front of Amicus Curiae? Time is running out. We need to act quickly…”

    Bhatt, the serving police officer, crosses all bounds when he prepares the affidavit of Subhranshu Chaudhary, former BBC correspondent, and procures it to substantiate his false stand that he had attended the meeting at Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s residence on 27 February 2002. On 15 May, the telephonic coordinates of Shubhranshu Chaudhary are sent to him by Bhatt to file an affidavit in the Supreme Court to collaborate his false statement that he was present in the meeting of the Chief Minister by recreating his movements. Shockingly, the said details are also sent simultaneously to Teesta Setalvad on 16 May for drafting the affidavit to be filed by Shubhranshu Chaudhary. In one of the pre-affidavit mails to Chaudhary, Bhatt tutors him by writing, “May be you can mention that I had met him (Sanjeev Bhatt) on 27th when he was about to go to the ‘disputed’ meeting.” Does one require any further evidence of the perjury in Bhatt’s affidavit?

    When Shubhranshu Chaudhary shows reluctance to give media hype to his affidavit, the petitioner writes to him advising use of the media, and asks whether Chaudhary is more comfortable with Arnab Goswami or Rajdeep Sardesai? When Chaudhary’s reluctance still persists, Bhatt writes to him, “My feeling is that we could let the press sniff it out and contact you. It will not only make a good story for them, but, make the print media to take notice of your affidavit and finally force the hand of amicus and Supreme Court to take notice and subsequent affirmative action.”

    http://www.sunday-guardian.com/analysis/ips-officer-bhatt-crossed-all-bounds-to-attack-modi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Shenoy,

    It’s only a further confirmation of what we already suspected. Mr. Bhatt’s false testimony is the only basis on which the case is being made against Mr. Modi. It won’t take long to expose his motives in the court of law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t there a saying, “the edifice built on the foundation of falsehood will crumble………”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Biased media, paid and scared witnesses, pseudo securalism- in this Congress
    Kalyuga, edifice built on the foundation of falsehood will become more strong.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    This reminds me of an old movie , forgot the name…one of my favourite actor, Sadashiv Amrumpkar in a villain police officer role tries to rape the heroine – she cries”Oh krishna, save me”..Sadashiv answers – that will be Dwapara Yuga’s Krishna; Kaliyuga’s Krishna will join me!

    Anonymous Reply:

    What type of a ‘fru…g” jail ssytem we have? Isnt this hero supposed to be in jail?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is the author the same man who “invented” a tall sardar and tried to paint Jessica Lal as a ***** and the Tamarind court a ***** house in open court, whose filthy conduct made his own children revolt against him?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Mr. Jethmalani may be chor, corrupt the lawyer who ony defends criminals,
    but the main point is that what he had written in this article is it correct or fabricated
    as I have not heard anyone rejecting what he has written in this article.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This gentleman tells lies with a straight face. He has a long history of inventing and deflecting. So it’s not easy to trust him on the face value. I rather wait for more details to come out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    This is an old article.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not as old as this gentleman learnt to practice unethical means for creating sensational cases.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    Isnt a lawyer supposed to defend his client through any legal means?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Is that also ture for the Defence Lawyer for Kasab.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes

    Anonymous Reply:

    Apart from what Mohan has said, there may be any number of cases in courts where Ram Jethmalani has said quite contrary to what he ha said outside or what his party, the BJP stands for.

    For example, in the cash-for-votes hearing, he said the money was given by the BJP. He has also defended the assassins of Indira Gandhi. Does i mean that Indira Gandhi was not assassinated?

    Quoting his arguments in the courts on behalf of his clients is no way of countering what I have quoted about Sanjeev Bhatt’s perfidy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He should not comment on ethics. For money he can do or say anything. There are enough evidences to that effect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    “for money he can do or say anything”… when you say money, do you mean money from other sources than the legitimate client-advocate relationship?
    Dont one hire a lawyer to get away with murder?
    Are you saying lawyers who take the cases of ‘known” criminals cannot talk about ethics?

    Anonymous Reply:

    This fru…g man can do anything or go to any extent to discredit his opposition. He can invent anything to achieve his objective.

    This fru…g man has no ethics.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak- I honestly dont get it..should not he do all those in the court room when he is representing a client? ..Are you talking about non attorney-client settings?

    Anonymous Reply:

    In court room a lawyer builds a case based on available evidence or lack of it.

    This fru…g man is known to create deliberate character assassination by “inventing” weird stuff. He has specialisation in that.

    He carries that to general life as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think, Pathakji, you are losing it.

    This is no way, an eminent editor should speak about one of the legal luminaries of the country.

    Is this why you take different IDs? So that you can spew any kind of garbage on your own blog?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Send me the Editor’s salary cheque if you happen to lay your hand on. I badly need some money.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjeev Bhatt too shopuldn’t have tried to create false evidence after false evidence in order to grind his own axe. By the way Ram Jethmalani is only quoting from Sanjeev Bhatt’s e-mails about Times Of India (Manoj Mitta, particularly, who has admitted that he did draft the affidavit), Teesta Shabnam Hashmi, Chidambaram, the media in Delhi etc.

    You have no comments, understandabl;y, on any of these entities, but have full gumption to call into question Ram Jethmalani’s legal battles in the courts in the defence of his clients.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “He has also defended the assassins of Indira Gandhi. Does i mean that Indira Gandhi was not assassinated?”

    What sense does it make?

    Anonymous Reply:

    One should know the meaning of sense to make sense. Surely he does not know.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If your thinking is clouded by congress gas, it is understandable that you have no sense of it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please explain for all of us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you have been around long enough in Delhi socialite circle of late 90’s, you should know that the picture Mr Jethmalani tried to create of the victim in Tamarind Court was not without any basis. I knew this lady and her circle. Having said that, I am not suggesting that she ought to have been murdered for being a wh*re.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Jethamalani himself was a patron.

  • Anonymous

    Good day gentlemen.

    The diary of baby is not originated by me. I received an email from one of friend
    and I was moved by this heart wrenching narrative. I thought of sharing with you all.

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  • Anonymous

    Yesterday there was discussion among fellow bloggers about Mr. Raghvan of SIT getting
    money from Modi for his foreign trip. Congress has realized that legally Modi cannot be
    harmed that is why they are try these tactics to discredit Modi. Earlier Gujarat courts
    were labeled as biased and now since SIT has given clean chit and has rejected the
    opinion of Amicus Curie, Congress through media is trying to discredit head of SIT
    Mr. Raghvan. We saw Congress adopting same tactics when Anna team were
    agitating for Jan Lokpal. Almost daily media used to come up with the stories
    maligning members of Team Anna. Kiran Bedi, Kejriwal, father son duo Bhushans and Anna
    himself had to face the wrath of hostile biased media almost on daily basis.
    I won’t be surprised that in comming few days we may hear that sofa, AC, fridge and all
    such items at Mr. Raghvan’s house have been gifted by Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mohan

    An “idea bankrupt” government will do this and more. media iis like a street prostitute waiting for crumbs

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Mohan. There is no way to confirm or deny these allegation of the Modi govt. sponsored trips of the SIT chief, but, the stooges in the media won’t stop questioning the integrity of a former CBI director and the SC appointed SIT chief. Has the media managed to show the proof of their allegations yet? No, but it didn’t stop them from planting a story which creates doubts in the minds of the gullible people about the integrity of Mr. Raghvan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Ishwar,

    this is patently character assassination of the congress kind.

    If you read the supreme court judgement, asking the SIT to submit its report to the trial court in Ahmadabad, the last para of the order asks the SIT to submit all its bills of expenses and travel to the Gujarat government for reimbursement.

    When I am able to lay my hand on the said order, I will quote the relevant portions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Gujarat government= Modi=BJP=RSS=Hindu Rashtra=Hindu Taliban =2nd class citizenship for minorities.

    In fact we should praise and support our government for doing great job of preventing
    India from becoming Hindu Taliban.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Just as from your POV

    Congress = Muslim appeasement = Pakistan Lover = ISI = Traitors

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    If you are saying this than you may be right. It is not nice to always disagree with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ANd just as from your POV:

    Pakistan=minority annihilator=jihad sponsor=host to fake sardars

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Actually as usual I was not able to say properly what I wanted to.

    This is what I wanted to say as a reply to your post

    If you are saying that Congress=Muslim appeasement=Pakistan Lover=ISI=Traitors
    than you may well be right. It is not very nice of me to disagree with you every time.

    Ravi Reply:

    And I was saying that any one can construct a daisy chain of absudities like that, so much so that the resident congenital moron posted one soon afetr.
    ________________________________

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Here is the sequence re: the expenses for the foreign trip issue.

    Lest you missed it or chose to miss it.

    Did Narendra Modi govt pay for SIT chief Raghavan’s foreign trips?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Did-Modi-govt-pay-for-Raghavans-London-trips/articleshow/13072761.cms

    Full Excerpt

    What was the need for amicus curiae Raju Ramachandran to put down these words in his final report before the Supreme Court which became public this week? “The cost for boarding and lodging for both the amicus curiae at BSF mess, Gandhinagar as well as the cost for local transportation by private taxi was arranged by the SIT…the cost of travel from Delhi to Ahmedabad and back (for both the advocates) was borne by the amicus curiae. In all the interactions with the witnesses, my advocate colleague Gaurav Agrawal was present.”

    For a while, there has been a buzz in legal circles that the SIT chief and former CBI director R K Raghavan, who has given a report which is very favourable for Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi in the Zakia Jafri case, was being pampered by the state government.

    While he had a salary of Rs 1.5 lakh and was entitled to executive-class travel by air, there were murmurs about personal trips at Gujarat government expense to London. Besides, Raghavan had no earmarked headquarter so that he could submit all his travel bills across the country even though these visits were not related to the probe.

    Attempts to get information on Raghavan’s travel bills under Right to Information (RTI) are being stone-walled. At least three persons, including the state Congress president Arjun Modhwadia have repeatedly tried to extract these details but even an appeal to the Chief Information Commisioner (CIC) D Rajagopalan four months back has not helped. A Modi confidant, Rajagopalan retired as chief secretary of Gujarat in 2010 after a six-month extension. Post-retirement, the Modi government then made him chairman of the Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam and then gave him a three-year term as CIC.

    More importantly, there are strong bonds between Rajagopalan and Raghavan as their wives are closely related. Sources said Modi had in fact met Raghavan for the first time at a wedding in the Rajagopalan family while the SIT probe was still on.

    ————

    1) If you wish to point fingers, now you know at whom

    2) Why the CIC is not revealing the information one way or the other?

    3) You and your fellow Modi supporters can crib and shout hoarse till the holy cows come home that the media and the rest of the world is against him. If they are indeed against him, they have committed no crime. Just grin and bear it. Do not blame ‘them’ as is wont here. As I said earlier, there is a war going on out there and no concessions will be extended. Let the other side fight back hard and expect no quarter.

    In this case, Ragahvan and the Gujarat government aka Modi can sue the media if they have published or said something that is not true. Let us wait if they really do. That will be the litmus test.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How can Rajgopalan reveal info about Raghavan? Their wives are supposed to be close friends ! Biwi ki haat se pitna hai kya ?

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  • Anonymous

    Read this somewhere on FB…

    PATNI-Agar mai kho gayi to tum kya kroge?

    Sardar-Nirmal-baba ke pas jaunga.

    PATNI- Tum kitne ache ho, kya kahoge unse?

    Sardar-Kahunga baba apki kripa Ani Suru Ho gayi he…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    A good joke, but I am really surprised at the popularity of this gentleman
    Nirmal Baba. People py Rs. 2000 each to attend his meeting/ session
    - I don’t know what he calls that- and he is fully booked till Dec 2012.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well people want “solutions” and they try all sorts of things..rationalization is difficult…
    I am sure the people who commit fetocide must be lining up for a male child.. .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    The problems which most of the people face are not as big as they think and solutions
    for those are also not very difficult, but most of the people want very easy way
    out for their problems so they go for these silly solutions. Most of them don’t want to
    work hard to improve their life and they foolishly believe that these babas can change
    their life overnight.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    You are right, many go for riches, “lotteries” …
    But I guess there may be a few, like childless couples, or some major illness etc, who will try anything in despair.. .

  • Anonymous

    At the end of the great and terrible Kurukshetra war, Aswathama, the son of Drona, sends the “Brahmastra” with the mantra “a pandava ya” (destroy the pandavas, including the fetus being carried by their women)….

    Lord krishna, through his powers, ensures Abhimanyu’s son fetus survives, and this son Parikshit continues the lineage of the Bharatha kingdom.

    Aswathama is cursed to wander around this world with his cuts and wounds for ever as long as there is mankind on this earth…..

    It looks like instead of one Aswthama, we now have many, all rushing to destroy the fetus in the womb…

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  • Ravi

    Karnataka: Member of Hindutva outfit arrested with explosives and detonators
    http://www.coastaldigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39773:terror-plot-foiled-explosives-seized-from-car-in-brahmavar&catid=57:news-stories&Itemid=68

    Terror plot foiled, explosives seized from car in Brahmavar
    by CD Network Thursday, 10 May 2012 10:16

    explosiveUdupi, May 10: A possible terror attack was foiled on Wednesday with the recovery of huge quantity of explosives and detonators from a car near Brahmavar in Udupi district.

    The Brahmavar police seized explosives from Ganesh Prasad, a resident of Shiriyar village, at Jambur in Yedthady village coming under the limits of Brahmavar police station.

    It is learnt that the accused belonged to a Hindutva outfit.

    Superintendent of Police M B Boralingaiah informed media that the police had seized 16 gelatine sticks, six detonators, and one kg of gunpowder.

    The suspected terrorist was carrying the detonators and gunpowder in a car without permit, when he was caught by the police at Yedthady.

    The value of the seized items including the car was estimated at Rs 75,000. A case had been registered.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So, why/what ?

    It is great that the BJP govt arrested their own guys.

    btw, the DGP of Karnataka (BJP) Govt is a respected Muslim IPS officer.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Simply put this is yet another evidence that the Sangh Parivar is a Communal Organistaion which uses Violence (riots) in order to shore up its utral Nationalist/Hinduatva Vote Bank.
    People here never tire of poiting the finger at the Muslim Community when there is constant provocation. In that last month alone there have been incidents in Utaar Khand, Andhra Pradesh and now Karnataka.
    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What are you talking about? There were no riots. Some suspects were arrested – it would have been “news” if these people were not arrested or let free because the Govt is BJP and the arrested ones, according to your reports, are also BJP affiliated.

    Ravi Reply:

    Precisely, because they were arrested.

    The intention was to start a riot.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh OK-
    Let us not worry about what ifs… and focus on real riots..So many of these types get arrested; one never knows if a real one was planned or not – some times it is Muslim trouble makers, sometimes Hindu trouble makers, sometimes people paid by the other group…

    The good thing here is that the state government did not let their party people free – as it used to be here in TN under DMK..

    Ravi Reply:

    You do that.

    For me I am satisfied that these people were caught with explosives and I do not buy their or your contention that they were needed for this new fashion of INSTANT BBQ.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To each on its own– there is a lot of difference between picking up headlines sitting in UK vs the ground realities..Do not believe everything in the paper..

    Ravi Reply:

    I am closer to ground than you think

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    These gelatins sticks are mostly used for stone crushing. Strange it may sound
    but these are very commonly used for this purpose but one cannot get it
    officially. The people who are in this business of stone crushing have no choice
    but to buy these from black market. Sometimes these people do get caught but I
    have not seen anyone making an issue of it. I am not saying that the people who
    were caught are part of this business but there is a possibility.
    The explosives which are allowed to be used officially are very mild which most of the
    people involved in this business avoid using it because of cost factor.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    it is strange that none of the papers carried even a hint of such a major terror plot being foiled in Karnataka.

    The incident is imagined to have happened on Wednesday, but neither Deccan Herald, nor Times Of India nor Hindu, have carried the “major terror plot” news.

    By the way, the comments in the “coastaldigest” item are hilarious.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-

    It must be Ravi’s Jehadi Times!
    He is looking for a situation quite similar to the folklore of Nehru and his visit to US. Made fun of by Kenendy for Indians shitting in the open, Nehru was determined to show at least one person shitting in the open in America on his return visit. y Nehru spotted a ******* during his Amtrack journey .. only to find out that the ******* was the Indian ambassador!

    Ravi Reply:

    Just making sure that folks here do not keep forming the impression that Radical Islam is the the ONLY extremist religion which resorts to violence. Extremist HINDUS do the same and that they have been doing it for a long-while

  • Anonymous

    A couple of Links….

    Matt Taibi in Rolling Stone pens summary of how Fin. Reforms were scuttled in US :
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

    Paul Krugman’s Interview in Rolling Stone :
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/paul-krugman-on-how-to-fix-the-economy-and-why-its-easier-than-you-think-20120502?link=mostpopular3

    New Approach for Estimating the size of “Shadow Economy”
    http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/7964
    (This one is truly Wonkish – Anybody with expertise in Mathematics Please feel free to chip in a perspective for “lay person” . While possible , discerning the underlying Mathematical premises and reasoning for their applications may be much tedious for non-Math people).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My understanding is that a similar meltdown can occur even if the US economy improves. That nothing is fixed, no regulations have been formulated or implemented.

    They will have a similar collapse if they cannot enforce banks/sellers of the asset backed securities to hold part of the assets on the balance sheet. Without that, banks will continue to originate and package bad loans and unload onto fixed income markets. Similarly nothing is done to fix the derivative markets.

    I agree with Krugman’s view that Obama should have asked for a larger stimulus, because the Govt was the only one that could spend and generate demand.. However, an equal number of equally distinguished economists have advocated just the opposite – shrink the government, pay off the debt etc. My take is that it will precipitate a Greece/Portugal/Spain situation in the US.

    US should look into our banking regulations as to the reserve requirements, asset securitization, areas of involvement etc. At least they should look into their next door neighbour Canada -as to why Canada escaped the meltdown, and is flourishing with a robust economy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree there can be similar collapse. Interestingly – George Soros once put forth this concept of a system to handle such catastrophes. He was fairly vague about it – and understandably so given the complexity inherent in the financial sector . Yet he was
    Another line of thought here was to build some firewalls between the core banking and investment banking. Essentially that translates to breaking up of large banks in to core banking and other entities.
    In either case – nothing has happened.
    Krugman…..
    Agreed.
    However, despite being my personal favourite – I found this interview rather simplistic. There is this question that is getting raised time and again about how long and how much can debt grow ? Krugman appears to be looking at Bond Markets and appears assured about capability to more debt. What adds to the complexity is the way rest of world looks at this situation. They see US splurging while rest of the world is advised on austerity. Not exactly a situation to their advantage. This is one of the important factors why the demand for non Dollar trading currency is gaining ground.
    Interestingly , a month or so back argument broke out between Krugman and an Australian economist Steve Keen regarding role of Banks . Here is a link to Steve Keen’s presentation :
    http://www.businessinsider.com/economist-steve-keen-goes-after-paul-krugman-with-a-new-presentation-2012-4#-1 .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks will go through them and see if I can add anything worthwhile.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please feel free to add something on the wonkish article – especially the mathematics they are using.
    Would’ve loved doing it myself – but got too many things on my plate. Plus I don’t happen to be Math expert – so will take me longer .
    p.s. : What aspect of Maths. are you involved with ? Applied or Pure ? Just curious….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Will do.

    Maths – it is pursued as a hobby, due to abiding interest in order and logic. So no active involvment in pure or applied, but preference is to the pure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Lehman Brothers did a lot of “reverse repo” that magnified a “non-existing” balance sheet. Their auditors were in collusion with them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Auditors and Lehman are one part of the story. Another – perhaps bigger one – part was the Rating agencies too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rating agencies are the biggest abomination. There American oligopolies decide the credit rating of banks, sovereign nations… Do not make any sense.

    In fact their compensation scheme should be changed — they should get paid as an annuity instead of upfront fees…so they get paid only when the bondholder pays – say 20 basis points every payment….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Doctors also shoud pay after the patient is cured.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To the uninitiated. Some statistical definitions

    The “mean” is the “average” you’re used to, where you add up all the numbers and then divide by the number of numbers.

    The “median” is the “middle” value in the list of numbers. To find the median, your numbers have to be listed in numerical order, so you may have to rewrite your list first.

    The “mode” is the value that occurs most often. If no number is repeated, then there is no mode for the list.

    The Standard Deviation is a measure of how spread out numbers are from the mean. Using the Standard Deviation we have a “standard” way of knowing what is normal, and what is extra large or extra small. The Standard Deviation is bigger when the differences are more spread out and is smaller when the differences are less spread out.

    Sorry folks, cannot make it simpler than that.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Every one here seems to be non-parametric

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  • Anonymous

    I have problems in corresponding within a thread — has anyone else experienced this problem?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes all day today

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Which browser are you using?

    Use FireFox, if not using already.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Will try that.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh

    You wrote

    “Shenoy and Vijay Kumar,
    Can you please point out and prove on this blog where and who has defended the UK paedophiles ?
    Please feel free to shut up and stop being a cheat if you can’t.
    p.s. for Vijay Kumar : I have responded to your yesterday night posting. Now go and invent something to respond to it. That should keep you busy and hone your juvenile wisdom further.”

    ————

    These two keep demonstrating the fact that they completely lack reading and comprehension skills every time they hit the keyboard. They ‘attribute’ views/opinions/statements to others and then proceed to abuse and attack them. That is part one of the standard operating procedure. Part two are the clapper boys (actually grown men) in tow. who ……….

    ————-

    Now watch this space for abuse and attacks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Six hours gone – no abuses or attacks!!

    Bina fish (fees) ke wakil.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You did not get it. Never mind.

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  • Anonymous

    An interesting op ed by Husain Haquani in today’s NY Times..”Why Pakistan Lets Terrorism Fester” . Vijay, have a feast!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/opinion/how-pakistan-lets-terrorism

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The link given by Binoy is incomplete. The complete URL

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/opinion/how-pakistan-lets-terrorism-fester.html

    ON the anniversary of Osama bin Laden’s death last week, Pakistan was the only Muslim country in which hundreds of demonstrators gathered to show solidarity with the dead terrorist figurehead.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Link appears broken.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh, try this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/11/opinion/how-pakistan-lets-terrorism-fester.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dhanyawaad to both you and Manohar.

  • Anonymous

    PathakG

    What time? Do they have internet channels?

    Try the following Vividh Bharti links

    http://www.voicevibes.net/

    http://vividhbharti.org/listen-on-line/

    Click on the links as directed.

    Enjoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    Thanks Benoy for the link !!

    I’ll have a feast on it… and drink it with wine tonight.

    Yesterday we had a short discussion on the challenges and pitfalls of research. It really fired my imagination for the day– a vital one for our team. One project we were working on is techniques of removing recurrent stammerings in kids and in some adults. Conventionally techniques centred on voice training.

    We are adding two more dimensions– the psychology and the engineering of sound. (where I come in). Really gr8 demo in front of two docs. The poor adult who had this stammer for 42 years… was more than surprised. My thrill came from the relief the sufferer felt…

    So this is going to be a wine day for me !

    In Hindi there is a song

    “Jhoom babarbar jhoom Sharabi…”

    So me, my partners… with me having one eye on the blog… will have this love story, called “aaj angoor ki beti se mohabbat ho gayi hai…”

    That is… we have fallen for the daughter of grapes… !!

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    See the Hollywood movie: King:. A very popular and good movie, about King of England, who use to stammer a lot. I believe, it was nominated for Oscar as well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Would certainly see the movie. NOw that I am a bit involved with the stammering scenario,

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  • Anonymous

    Pathakji,

    you said, “In court room a lawyer builds a case based on available evidence or lack of it.

    This fru…g man is known to create deliberate character assassination by “inventing” weird stuff. He has specialisation in that.

    He carries that to general life as well.

    DID YOU SUBCONSCIOUSLY REFER TO ABHISHEK MANU ZINGVI, WHEN YOU SAID ‘THIS ******* MAN…….”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In my subconscious mind, I never think of lawyers, Police or Politicians. The alpha state is purely for something else.

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  • Anonymous

    Heard in Mumbai on Wednesday:

    Tring….Tring..
    Hello..
    Yes? this is Mumbai weather bureau, what can I do for you Sir?
    Just checking if the Monsoon has already set in??
    No sir….that was just a passing Gayle-storm! The weather should improve anytime now…..! Have a nice eve Sir!

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  • Pankaj#1

    PathakG;
    In the begining, I thought, I will drop the suffix”JI” while addressing to you, but then remembered:
    Jal se patla kaun hai, Kaun Bhoomi se bhari…?
    answer was: Jal se patla gyan hai… Krodh agan se tej hai…
    Hence I will continue to address you with suffix” G”.
    You have raised a very interesting topic with some truth in it, when yo say, Hindu girls…
    Will try to reply to it in details , when my weekend starts. Suddenly, quality of blog has improved. Cheers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am looking forward to your input.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress and cliche
    Sonia Gandhi is in a position to speak truth to her party. So why did she avoid hardtalk at the CPP?

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/congress-and-cliche/947858/0

    There should be no factionalism, said the Congress president, calling it the “single most important factor” that will decide whether the party wins or loses future elections. Sonia Gandhi was speaking to the Congress Parliamentary Party, and in her first public reaction to her party’s debacle in the last round of assembly polls, her diagnosis and prescription was more platitude than politics. The Congress must “shed all manner of factional behaviour and fight as one disciplined team at all levels”, she said. She suggested that reports of the Congress rout in Uttar Pradesh are exaggerated. While she admitted to disappointment at the party’s inability to form governments in Punjab and Goa, she found comfort in the fact that the Congress increased its vote share “quite considerably” in UP and was seen as a “serious” player after 22 years in the state — this, when the Congress stood fourth and added just six seats to its dismal 2007 tally after a campaign in which party general secretary Rahul Gandhi shed his reticence to become the face of the party’s campaign. Finally, the Congress president hit out at critics. Attacking the government had become “fashionable”, she said.

    Not one hard question, not one signal to ensure accountability, no indication of a reshuffle, no message to a beleaguered government.

    —————

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  • Anonymous

    I recd the following in my mail box. Perhaps, Binoy can provide the link.

    ————–

    John Swinton, the doyen of the New York press corps, upon his retirement , made the following speech:

    “There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America , as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty four hours, my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting of an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.”

    I do understand that you have to eat like all of us and therefore must keep your mouth shut. You are Jewish and so am I. (Sephardic).

    For the sake of truth, I will give you here another side to the Libyan story. Just imagine a country where there is no electricity bill. Electricity is free to all its citizens. There is no interest on loans, banks were state owned and loans given at zero percent interest by law. Having a home was considered a human right. All newlyweds received US$ 50 000 from the govt to buy their first apartment and to help them start a family. Education and medical treatments were free. Before Qaddafi, 25 % of the population were literate. Today this figure is 83 percent. Should Libyans want to take up farming, they would receive land, a farmhouse, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick start their operation, absolutely free of charge. If citizens could not find the education or medical facilities they needed, the govt would fund them to go abroad, free of charge, and would get some US$2,300 per month for accommodation and car allowance. Cars were government subsidized to the tune of 50%. Fuel prices were $0.14 per litter. The country had no external debt and its reserves amounted to some $170 billion, now frozen globally plus some 27 tons of gold, which the new regime found safely in the National Bank. Any graduate unable to find a job would get the average salary for the profession, as if he/she was employed, until employment found. A portion of oil sales were credited once a year to every citizen bank account. A mother who gave birth, immediately got some $5000. Forty loaves of bread cost $0.15. 25% of citizens have a university degree. An immense project bringing water from aquifers in the south made it available all over the country, free of charge.
    That is what that “tyrant” Qaddafi gave to his people. There are some 150 tribes in Libya and a strong hand was necessary if the country was to remain in one piece. Every citizen was in possession of a military weapon. Qaddafi was not frightened of his own people. The so called rebels who took over, so we are told, would not have lasted a few days without NATO air power, British and French commandos and thousands of mercenaries. Those are the winners.

    Now another Karzai has been installed in Tripoli , and the country can be plundered at the victors’ whim and fancy. It takes $1 to extract a barrel of Libyan oil and today’s price is over $100. Total the French company has already grabbed some 30% of the Libyan state oil company. BP is starting exploration. And of course massive contracts for the reconstruction of Libya will be handed over to US and European companies. Of the sovereign fund, only some 1.2 billion have been released out of the $170 billion. With the state of the European economy, I doubt very much if Libya will see the rest any time soon. Now Libyans are free as you say, but as Janice Joplin used to say…freedom is just another word for nothing else to lose, as Libyan queueing for funds at their bank’s door are finding out. Qaddafi is gone and so are the perks. What will be left is a terrible civil war. The price of democracy!
    “It is the joyous jiggling dance Americans do – USA ! USA !- when their government slaughters someone illegally. It is primitive, but it is positively Libyan”. Wrong. It is positively American! Just saw a movie on the training of the US Army before going to Iraq . Soldiers running and singing:”Kill the women! Kill the children! “Then we are shown the results when civilians are gunned down in the streets by those braves. All on film. When they come back home, realising what they have done, they just commit suicide! These are ordinary Sunday soldiers with families.
    We can hide the truth with prison sentences, but the truth will eventually come through, and unfortunately for us we cannot plug the **** any longer.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr samuel johnson said to Boswell” i may not be able to make a chair like a carpenter , but that does not prevent me from criticising if it is a shoddy job”

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  • Anonymous

    Difficult to make a dick head understand CPM IS NOT EQUAL TO BENGALEES, THEY ARE AL QUAIDA of west bengal politics

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  • Anonymous

    Difficult for a dickhead to understand CPM IS NOT EQUAL TO BENGALEES , CPM IS AL QUAIDA OF WEST BENGAL POLITICS

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Mamta revive Ambedkar cartoon controversy, threatening Face book and Twitter. Did I hear sometime back, something like: Hindu Taliban?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    call it INDIAN TALIBAN then. Congress is threatening facebook and twitter as it feels that its Maalikin and Chotta mandbudhi and Digivansh Singh are not given flattering pages. Mayawati and most members of Parliament are worked up about a 1950 cartoon as they feel they will get votes from a so called Dalit constituency. Mamta Gets trhreatened by innocent cartoons. As for the Danish cartoons– SP MPs announced a 20 crore prize for the death fo the cartoonist. And the actual cartoonist from Mumbai will make cartoons of evryone– but in case someone makes one of Bal Thakrey… then he gets Thoka-rey

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Good one.
    I wanted to stress that this intolerance by so called progressives or Daliton ke masihas, should be checked. Or this tendency to threaten everyone because of votes potential by any community is against some fundamental rights of freedom.

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  • Anonymous

    Folks check this out EXPLOSIVE material, though SANE voices has taken action

    “They hate everything you stand for and will never coexist with you, unless you
    submit,” the instructor, Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Dooley, said in a presentation last July for the course at Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia. The college, for professional military members, teaches mid-level officers and government civilians on subjects related to planning and executing war.

    Dooley also presumed, for the purposes of his theoretical war plan, that the Geneva conventions that set standards of armed conflict, are “no longer relevant”.

    He adds: “This would leave open the option once again of taking war to a civilian population wherever necessary (the historical precedents of Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki being applicable to the Mecca and Medina destruction decision point)
    A course for US military officers has been teaching that America’s enemy is Islam in general and suggesting that the country might ultimately have to obliterate the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina without regard for civilian deaths, following second world war precedents of the nuclear attack on Hiroshima.

    The Pentagon suspended the course in late April when a student objected to the material. The FBI also changed some agent training last year after discovering that it, too, was critical of Islam.

    The teaching in the military course was counter to repeated assertions by US officials over the past decade that America is at war against Islamic extremists, not the religion itself.
    US military course taught officers ‘Islam is the enemy’

    Pentagon suspends course after study materials posted online suggested that Mecca
    and Medina may have to be obliterated

    Associated Press in Washington
    guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 May 2012 08.28 BST

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;

    This is true. Was also shown in TV.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I think the only way Islam gets rid of Islamophobia is this business of assimilation. Yesterday… when I was not drunk… I was sparring with Pathak and trying to tell him that a relationship is a two way street.

    If muslim men love to date Hindu, Christian and Sikh women– it is only right that they encourage equallym muslim women to go out with men of other religions. Otherwise it will lead to resentment and paronia. As will this happening in UK.

    One cannot take the stance that our men our heroes… and our girls are “chaste.”

    Now that I am a bit drunk on the success of today’s demo… let me make a confession . I had a muslim girlfriend once. Nothing huge about it, We met at Yahoo chatroom and then outside in the resturaunts of Delhi. A short and sweet friendship. For me it was easy as friends and family always think I am mad.

    For her probably more difficult becasue of convention. But the fact is that it made me appreciate a lot of things in life…. including the fact that at the end of the day we are all human beings. But MANY (not all) religious men want to put in the barriers.

    Got to stop here !! My business partners are reading this and pushing me onto another round of “angoor ki beti…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Lots of muslim boys suffer from some inferiority complex because of the low social status, life in crowded lanes, relatives doing odd petty jobs and not having friends in high positions. For them it’s a huge attraction to date hindu girls. For most of them it’s a trophy to display.

    Also there are well educated muslim boys who want to break away from their general social circle. They find hindu girls very different and get attracted. These type of muslim boys mostly break away from their families and try to set up home far away, may be on other end of the town or in another city.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe you are right. Unfortunately a single way street of interaction breeds stereotypes.

    My own feeling is that a blundering bstling US may just carpet bomb Pakistan as it is getting fed up of the scenario. It will not like to live with the idea that an Al Queeda can come up again. Pakistan under this pressure is displaying a new love for india.

    With thsi background… assimilation thru interaction is the best way to break the barriers. Unfrtunately I dont see it happening. The one way street of Muslim men dating non Muslims but the reverse not happening will only add to paronia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistan learnt all smart double-faced games from US only. USA sees its own reflection in Pakistan.

    Besides, Pakistan is a very strategic ally for USA.

    Don’t get fooled by Clinton’s rhetoric speeches. These are local Indian mass consumption to make her visit colourful.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well that may be true , BUT THAT IS HALF THE STORY, there is a DEFINITE religious angle to it.According to Quoran/hadith If you marry a non muslim and convert him/her to islam YOUR PASSAGE TO ZANNAT IS BOOKED IN PREMIER CLASS.
    alternately if you marry a KUFFER(non beleiver) and convert yourself and leave the fold ISLAM SANCTIONS HIS/HER DEATH AS A JUSTIFIABLE ACT THAT WILL PLEASE ALLAH LIKE NO END

    Anonymous Reply:

    If that is written… I am not sure about it… then somebody has to stand up and say that this breeds hatred and should be struck out of present belief.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Post Script: Apparently KASAB in his interview said his wish has been to marry a hindu girl and convert her to islam

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kasab being a dumb jehadi and being so prominent in the news has revealed more than what a thousand before him did. I think it teaches us on how to tackle Kasabs. The belief system which they take as final has to be convincingly demolished. For example if the belief is that the earth is flat… then the exact text should be quoted along with the picture of the round earth to prove that what your teacher taught you is wrong.

    I see no other way of demolishing a belief which sends young men to blow themselves up, thinking that they are reaching a paradise.

    engrich Reply:

    to convert for marriage is prohibited in islam.woman/man should convert for god not for marriage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Lying is prohibited in Islam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kyaa sonaa manaa hai? ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    In past, conversion was all about dominating by sheer number. So there is a religious angle to it. Some preach, some convert. It’s all about acquiring prominence and dominance.

    Children can be converted unilaterally, not the adults. The adults definitely see some values , trade-offs, unless it’s a forced conversion in remote villages.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tell your panditji to find you a nice dove eyed muslim girl. Go for an arranged marriage.

    Then it would be a unique event.

    Don’t say muslim should allow….. you take an initiative and set an example….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon ! Dil to pagal hai…
    The current love of my life… a very very verbally violent women can skin my head off of she catches me boasting of the past…
    U know what women are…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now She read this… and you know what women are… blessed with a “different” ense of humour… so I withdraw these words… and proclaim that I was drunk when I wroter them :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Bush’s “these muslims…..” and Fernades’ “China enemy number 1..” statements are on the same level.

    They just could not assimilate the internal deliberation and spit out like fools.

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  • Anonymous

    A man finds a beautiful girl at airport cafe sitting next to him. He thinks that she must
    be a flight attendant. Hoping to get her attention he leans towards her and says
    Emirates slogan ‘ keep discovering’. She pays him no attention. Again he leans and
    And says Kingfisher slogan ‘ fly the good times’ still no response. Again he tries another
    airlines slogan, now this girl gets angry and shouts ‘ what do you want you *******,
    why don’t you leave me alone you SOB’ Man leans back and smiles ‘ ahh Indian Airlines’

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Another good one from you.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi,

    I am reposting the reply here about the people caught carrying explosives
    because my post did not appear there.
    These gelatine sticks are mainly used for stone crushing. Strange it may sound but these
    are very commonly used for this purpose but one cannot get the sticks officially. The people
    who are in this business have no choice but to buy these from grey market. Sometimes
    these people do get caught but I have never seen they being blamed for terrorist activities.
    I am not saying that these people belong to this business but there is a possibility of that.
    The explosives which are officially allowed for this purpose are mild in nature and the quantity required is huge, that is why people in this business buy from grey market to reduce
    the cost.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are right. This must be a case of “mistaken intent”. It is very common for businessmen to be members of RSS in our place.

    But, look at how the news attracts comments from London (fake Ravi) and Al Khobar (Faisal Ahmad):

    faizalahmed,mangalore/alkhobar — 2012-05-10
    AGAIN I SAY …TIME FOR HINDUS AND MUSLIMS TO UNITE AGAINST THE SAFFRON TERRORISTS TRYING TO BREAK OUR UNITY & MAKE INDIA LIKE ANOTHER PAKISTAN OR AFGHANISTAN….RUINED COUNTRIES WITH INTERNAL CLASHES SO SOMEONE ELSE CAN TAKE BENEFIT AND SAFFRONS CAN GET ENOUGH MONEY FROM WESTERNS & JEWS…..
    Put the gelatin sticks into his back and show a lighter in front of every media….and he will speak the name of his real fathers……I hope this proof must be enough to chase the saffrons out of India…….KASARGOD PEOPLE PLEASE WATCH OUT……This was suppose to be reaching there…………..THE AFTER VISIT ACTION OF MODI’S BROTHER TOGADIA….

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    It so happened that I read your post in full. What drew my attention was : a car with HUGE QUANTITY of Explosives was seized from suspected terrorist.
    Total Value of the seizure was Rs. 75000.00 including Car????
    what was the value of car the? if HUGE QUANTITY of explosives,I believe, they do not come cheap either.
    We use to joke with friends, in our college days, teasing them: Ab tum ye scooter bech kar, aur kuchh paise mila kar, cycle khareed lo. Operative words were, Kuchh paise mila kar.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So you object to the scale of the operation when I was merely pointing to the intent of the gang.

    If they have the intent, I am sure some one will provide them with the means neccessary.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Like who is saying that there was an intent of rioting? that source’s credentials are important too. Some body saying that a caught person had connections with Hindu group, what hindu group we are talking about here.? Having said this, I know that there are people amongst Hindus, who will not hesitate to start a riot for any reason, it is generally for economical or political benefits. Nothing to do with any thing religious here. Hinduism certainly does not encourage, in a systematic way to eliminate other religions. There are bad elements amongst hindus as well, no doubt about it. As mohan pointed out, gelatin sticks are stolen from government stores and with or without the connivances of persons, supposed to guard them and there is a thriving underground market for them. Even, maoists were using them extensively to kill police party carrying buses and jeeps.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sure they are. I merely reported it from a Deccancoastal news-paper.

    My intent is simple. I firmly believe that Ram Puniyani and others like him are correct in their conclusion that Hindu Extremist organisations are in the habit of keeping the pot of Communal Strife boiling because it serves their objective.

    Here is another example

    In Saidabad and Madannapeth areas of Hyderabad (April 1st week, 2012) violence was unleashed against the local Muslims. In this violence several houses were damaged, many a people were injured and women were raped. Just before the incident Praveen Togadia had given an inflammatory speech in the area. There was news that fundamentalists (read- Muslims) have thrown beef and green color in the Hanuman temple. This news was enough to instigate the violence. The police succeeded in arresting the culprits, who turned out to be those belonging to Hindu communal outfits.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course, no one including Praveen Togadia will ever be able to prove his links back to the mother oprgansiation – the RSS. Membership register does not exist. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    this saffron terror plot is purely a figment of coastaldigest.com, which like an eager boy scout this fake Ravi has scrounged from nowhere.

    The credibility of the website itself is highly suspect and its being part of the IM man, Bhatkal’s network cannot be ruled out.

    Not a singlr newspaper, including anti-BJP ones like Times Of India, Deccan Herald and Hindu, have given readers any inkling of the huge cache of explosives involved in the Hindu terror plot.

    And as you said, the value of the explosives, INCLUDING THE CAR, was estimated to be Rs.75000/- (Rupees seventy five thousand only).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi wakes up in the morning, puts his magnifying glasses on, looks for news on Hindus creating riots!

    Mohan had reported something about gelatin sticks; these guys were quarry employees or something like that.

    I have not seen any report in the Hindu…they would have run with this!

  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Now after waiting for almost 4-5 days for your search of RSS-Hindu Rashtra, I treat this matter as closed. It just shows that there is no substance, in reality about this Hindu Rashtra bogey, if a prolific person like you, have to take so much time to substantiate your allegation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    If you were expecting run-of-the-mill post, then let it be closed. I have been busy with my daughter’s career prospects, she has just completed B.Com degree course.

    You are free to believe or not believe anything you like about the RSS, just because I have not had enough time to devote to the subject. I have no problem with it. I will post it in due course, if you are still interested.

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  • Pankaj#1

    all;
    Any person interested in Manto should read Mohammad Hanif and Ayesha jalal’s articles in Dawn of Today.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I posted to say I will do and pronto it disappered, as did several of my other posts yesterday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Exhaustive coverage on Manto by Dawn.

    http://dawn.com/in-depth-manto/

    ———-
    Curator of a hollowed conscience
    Ayesha Jalal

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3405302.ece?homepage=true

    Saadat Hasan Manto, whose birth centenary is being celebrated in Pakistan and India today, once remarked that any attempt to fathom the murderous hatred that erupted with such devastating effect at the time of the British retreat from the subcontinent had to begin with an exploration of human nature itself.

    For the master of the Urdu short story this was not a value judgment. It was a statement of what he had come to believe after keen observation and extended introspection. Shaken by the repercussions of the decision to break up the unity of the subcontinent, Manto wondered if people who only recently were friends, neighbours and compatriots had lost all sense of their humanity. He too was a human being, ‘the same human being who raped mankind, who indulged in killing’ and had ‘all those weaknesses and qualities that other human beings have.’ Yet human depravity, however pervasive and deplorable, could not kill all sense of humanity. With faith in that kind of humanity, Manto wrote riveting short stories about the human tragedy of 1947 that are internationally acknowledged for representing the plight of displaced and terrorised humanity with exemplary impartiality and empathy.

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  • Anonymous

    Disgrace to Sibal and members of the parliament-
    Both opposition members and ruling party members demanded the removal of a cartoon in the NCERT text book.
    This was a famous cartoon drawn by the illustrious cartoonist Sankar a k a Sankara Pillai in a 1949 issue of Sankar’s weekly. It depicted the snail pace of the drafting of the constitution, it had the caricatures of Nehru, Ambedkar, public and a snail. There is no record of any complaint by any group, or displeasure by Dr Ambedka when it was published in 1949… It merely reflected a sense of urgency of a newly freed people to get the framework in palce so the building of the country can start.

    Sankara Pillai (a fellow Malabar man) received Padma Vibhushan for making peope laugh week in and week out for half a century.

    Now Sibal has apologized (for what???)
    Such is the state of affairs in the largest democracy.

    (and people who will bring MF Husain into this; there simply is no comparison; get a life)

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    Ravi Reply:

    There should be NO cencorship, irrespective of the content being a Shankar Cartoon, An Essay on 5 Ramyanas by an eminent Historian or an abstract Paining by M F Hussain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But, writers like Salman Rushdie and Taslima should simply be finished off fro insulting Islam.

    Censorship is for the rest of the less pure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Please don’t mix the two complete different issues.
    We should not hurt the feelings of minorities in our
    country. Hindus are being abused since a very long time,
    it is high time they get used to these insults instead of
    making an issue out of such a trivial matter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    For taking the parliament forward.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Disgrace to Sibal and members of the parliament-
    Agree.

    2) people who will bring MF Husain into this; there simply is no comparison; get a life

    Do not agree.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Some people find fault with this sham government, which is full of jokers like Kapil Sibal and thieves like Kamal Nath etc, has reduced Amedkar too to a cartoon.

    Funnily, when you google for the Ambedkar cartoon, you only get Sibal as a cartoon and a few chappals!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Everyone forgot the snail
    E.P. Unny is the Chief Political Cartoonist of ‘The Indian Express’. His first printed cartoon was in ‘Shankar’s Weekly’

    Excerpts

    ———

    The no-no cartoon was published in Shankar’s Weekly on August 28, 1949 and reproduced in many Shankar collections, including one with a Nehru quote as title that will make his party men squirm today — “Don’t spare me Shankar”. The Congress government has pulled out the cartoon and the textbook that carried it. The cartoon features Nehru himself, standing behind a snail that has B.R. Ambedkar sitting on it, amidst a crowd of Indians looking on, in splits. Armed with whips, the two men are prodding the snail, labelled “Constitution”, into action. Maneka Gandhi can object to it — rightly so — for the depiction of cruelty to animals. In the same breath and with no less passion, she will also have to plead for the endangered cartoonists. What’s in it for the rest of the worthies?

    ————-

    Shankar was far too politically savvy to do so. He was very much part of the Nehruvian nationalist politics that drove news then. The sole criticism was on the pace of constitution-making. In this the cartoon reflected no more than the reader’s urge to see quick results in those heady days of nation-building. Perhaps herein lies the clue to the offensive part.

    ———

    Forget fast-forward, our leaders cannot even rewind fast enough. Political memories are barely crawling. If the Bharatiya Janata Party cannot recall the Emergency, do not expect the grander and older party to inch all the way back to the days of Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar and Shankar, whose cartoon originals were daughter Indira’s gifts to daddy on his birthdays.

    ———-

    Read on

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  • Ravi

    On RSS Cue Gadkari re-appointed as BJP Chief.

    Say no more ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Elected again?

    Few more bottles for BJP-Neutral Vijay.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Posting it for the second time, as the first posting seems to have dis-appeared.

    Apparently some rules had to be abandoned for Gadkari to have been given his second term. What happened to promoting Mr Modi into a National Role. Why was this golden opportunity missed?

    What is the difference between Elected and Appointed?

    What is the difference between Family Politics and Parivar Politics?

    Jai Mata di.

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason Modi has not been given national duties, because he would be busy for the next couple of years with the ongoing SITcom. ;-)

    Ravi Reply:

    I think there is an EXPORT opportunity here. India should syndicate this SITcom around the world.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only when there is enough number of episodes.

    Here is some more to add to the ‘drama’

    Gujarat government has paid Rs 27 lakh legal fees to Nanavati’s son

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Gujarat-government-has-paid-Rs-27-lakh-legal-fees-to-Nanavatis-son/articleshow/13102590.cms

    Gujarat government has paid an amount of Rs 27.20 lakh to Maulik Nanavati, son of the head of the Godhra riot commision Justice G T Nanavati, as an additional public prosecutor representing the government in the Gujarat High Court during the last five financial years.
    ——
    The application was filed ten days after The Times of India carried a front-paged report on March 30 of a possible conflict of interest here, as Justice Nanavati’s main job is to probe the Gujarat government and its chief minister’s role in the 2002 Gujarat riots.

    The reply, which came on May 3, reveals that the payments being made to Nanavati Jr. have swollen as his father nears completion of his inquiry after ten long years.

    Maulik was appointed as additional public prosecutor (APP) in 2005, three years after his father started the riots inquiry.
    ——
    Another RTI application has been filed to seek details from the Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation seeking details of legal fees paid to Justice Nanavati’s other lawyer-son, Dhaval. The Nanavati’s sons used to practice in Delhi when their father was probing the anti-Sikh riots and later followed him to Gujarat.
    ——–

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Houses to all judges just before the investigation
    2) Foreign trips to Raghavan
    3) Packets to nanavati’s son

    @Gopi ! Very nice fru….g strategy to hoodwink !

    Anonymous Reply:

    The Exporter Extraordinaire, Ottavio Quattrocchi, can be given the contract for the export by the president-for-life Maataji.

    Ravi Reply:

    Grand Idea

    ________________________________

    Anonymous Reply:

    But, look at the congress party:

    Maataji elected herself as presidente for life.

    Indira Gandhi becomes dictator PM by using the constitution of India, shaped by India’s greatest thinkers, including Ambedkar, who is, unfortunately reduced to a cartoon by Kapil Sibal.

    Not only she becomes a dictator, she extends the life of the Lokasabha to six years, with the entire opposition in jail.

    Zail Singh appoints Rajiv Gandhi, not even an MP as Prime Minister.

    Sonia Gandhi “appoints” Maun Mahan Singh as PM, who had lost his election in South Delhi!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Must be feeling great to be the B team !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is it a part of the RSS’s ‘hidden agenda’ that the BJP be the B-team knowing the limitations?

    Anonymous Reply:

    With leaders like Gadkari on the other side, Congress can sleepwalk to majority coalition.. BJP is also on the Congress dole.,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are wrong there. It wil be SP, AIDMK, BJD, BSP and others who will speak-walk to victory.

    These two khumbkarans (the Congress and the BJP) will continue to snore only to disturb each other.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Everyone in Congress will report to and seek advise from Mrs. Sonia Gandhi
    for ever.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Jai Mata Di

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Must be some ‘criminal’ offence under some section of the IPC.
    Time to go to the nearest police station.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manhar,

    My post was in response to the post of Ravi.
    If reelecting Gadkari as head of BJP is not a crime
    than reporting for any small matter to Ms. Gandhi is also
    not a crime.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Point taken. I know your mindset. I forgot to put the smiley in my post.

    Perhaps, he was hinting that a lot of people have a problem with Congress taking orders from Sonia Gandhi, then they should also have a problem with RSS micro-managing the BJP. May be he will clarify.

  • Anonymous

    Good morning gentlemen.

    Every problem in Life has two solutions

    1. Bhaag Lo – run away or
    2. Bhaag Lo – Participate

    Choice is yours.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I prefer the third option.

    Bhang Lo

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Our ruling class, including police, has only one solution for every problem: BHAAG LO ( meaning apna hissa pehle le lo).

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  • Anonymous

    Committee on Insecurity
    Shekhar Gupta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/committee-on-insecurity/948337/0

    Excerpts

    Given the way the cabinet system has evolved in India, the core of decision-making is the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). Over the years, particularly since the arrival of coalitions, the CCS has acquired primacy over the CCPA (Cabinet Committee on Political Affairs), which is now a weak caricature of itself. Ministers of home, defence, finance and external affairs, besides indeed the prime minister, automatically qualify to be members of the all-powerful CCS, which is also the centre of gravity of the cabinet.

    How does the UPA’s CCS look? Its most experienced and politically influential member, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, is distracted by a hundred GoMs and a dozen mutinies. Its most clear-headed and efficient member, P. Chidambaram, has been battling demons of his own, both within his party and outside. The only silver lining for him now is that he has become such a favourite dart-board of the RSS that finally even his party has been forced to rise in his defence. Defence Minister A.K. Antony cuts a seriously hapless figure, scurrying about, answering charges of indecision and worse from his own general. S.M. Krishna, external affairs minister, doesn’t really have much of a voice or weight. And the prime minister, at the best of times, is a consensus, ruffle-no-feathers, what-is-not-acceptable-to-all-can-wait-for-another-day man. Everybody, from the corporate sector to the armed forces, complains of paralysis in governance. This is where it begins.

    ————-

    Since we Indians understand any complex issue best when explained in cricketing terms, it is useful to recall a brilliant line often spoken by Vizzy (Maharajkumar of Vizianagaram, India captain in 1936, but really more a cricket-lover than player who unfortunately became known as one of our most boring radio commentators). To save a bad Test match, he would say, teams need batsmen who can bat against the clock. But India is so weak, they need batsmen who can bat against the calendar.

    ————-

    Further, two of the five CCS members (PM and Krishna) are not even active politicians. That is why it has to look at what political/administrative talent is available, and bring it in. Digvijaya Singh and Sheila Dikshit are two candidates. Ghulam Nabi Azad’s political skills and network also need to be put to better use so he can avoid wandering aimlessly into any more windmills after trying to stop Indian doctors from settling in America.

    Finally, the time may have come for a second look at the old policy of keeping all allies out of the CCS. We know the Congress cannot stand him, maybe only because he is their least troublesome ally. But Sharad Pawar has the experience, knowledge, weight, and most importantly, political capital that transcends party lines. He can be put to better use. In any case, the UPA has to start something imaginative — if disruptive — at the top. That is the only way to bring this government back to life, whether an opening is provided by Pranab Mukherjee’s move to Rashtrapati Bhavan or not. This status quo must be broken, or that most distant date of all, May 2014, may arrive earlier than you imagine.
    ——-

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  • Anonymous

    RTI activist shot at in Bihar, critical

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/RTI-activist-shot-at-in-Bihar-critical/948334/

    An RTI activist was shot at in Muzaffarpur late on Thursday night.

    Police said the incident took place around 10 pm when Razi Hasan was returning home in Chandwara locality. Two persons, who were riding a motorcycle, shot at Hasan, grievously injuring him.

    ———–

    Hasan had filed over 250 RTI applications in the last one and a half years seeking information on several welfare schemes, such as the Indira Awas Yojana and the MNREGA scheme.

    In 2011, Ramvilas Singh, a RTI activist of Lakhisarai, had been shot dead.

    ———–

    Looks it is an all-India phenomenon. Tragic to say the least. The only hope is that the culprits are brought to book soonest.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar

    No comparison between MFH and Sankar cartoon issue.

    sankar cartoon – Govt (and all your fruk—g esteemed parlaiment) is on the side of the “bloody hell” protestors, apologizes

    MFH – Govt is against the “bloody hell” protestors

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Amazing ‘impartiality’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Everybody has right to protest. You should not worry. You should not show support to only some fru…g protestors. Let everybody have fun.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    I am not talking about protestors–I am talking about the frukin”g Govt…Govt opposed the protestors in MFH; appeasing the protestors on Sankar

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  • Anonymous

    Minister Awhad, sir

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/minister-awhad-sir/948343/0

    Lurking in the motto of the Indian Pilots’ Guild (IPG) — “non sibi sed omnibus”, not for oneself, but for all — may be a solution to Air India’s troubles. Since Jitendra Awhad, IPG chief, is already dictating terms, why not let him play a larger role, take over the civil aviation ministry? His counterpart in the Indian Commercial Pilots’ Association (ICPA) could be MoS, and the CMD of AI could serve them as civil aviation secretary. It would be the logical conclusion of the arduous efforts the government makes to keep AI top dog.

    —————

    Civil Aviation Minister Ajit Singh may still think he has talked tough but the only thing left for him to do now is hand over the keys to his ministry and step aside. Let cash-strapped airline bosses like Vijay Mallya and those who are not, like IndiGo’s Rahul Bhatia, all line up outside Awhad’s door. Since he is calling the shots, let him also take the responsibility.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We should shut down AI.

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  • Anonymous

    There was a report in Malayalam newspapers about Jawans attacking the officers in a J &K barracks.

    An officer physically assaulted a Jawan; and Jawans responded by beating up this and a couple of other officers..

    I have not seen this reported in English papers.

    Shape of things to come in the ultimate democracy?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Here is the link to that incident.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-officers-jawans-battle-it-out-in-Ladakh/articleshow/13102508.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Bad times ahead -

    Our Industrial production goes down again (by a whopping 3/5%).

    Chinese growth slows down –from their 10% normal to 7.5%.,

    our services exports, esp IT< seriously impacted due to slow down in europe/US. Infosys reduces their hiring plan.

    Govt in paralysis.

    Opposition clamouring for resignation of this guy, resignation of that guy.

    Summer looks real bad…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But, if you are to believe Pathakji,

    the underbelly of Delhi is swelling, Hindu girls are hunting in packs for herds of Muslim mechanics, getting mass-screwed by these mechanics because the mechanics are circumcised and that makes, according to Pathakji, for great sex and the mechanics scream “Allah” at the end of the screw.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you are having swell of time! Huh!

    What you read is just few samples…..details might shock daylight out of you!

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  • Anonymous

    Viju must be with his new girl from the other side of the track…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Gopi for remembering me! No in the middle of work. A huge huge challenge today…

    Can 20 years of hypertension of one person be wiped out using body and mind techniques developed by a team consisting of a doc,a pscychologist, 2 engineers (one idiot being me)… Good challenge… Hope I get more than a trple zero..!! :)

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  • Anonymous

    National Icons

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen_saxeana,

    It would be a great idea to put Vajpayee just ( almost …. ) infront of Kapil Sibal in the same position. He would love that. Vajpayee’s sardonic face will tell the whole story. One ready…another waiting.

    Your talent is just admirable !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But nothing when compared with yours. In fact it is you who seems to have a remarkable access to information on the sleaze in the life of some not just in Delhi but Dubai . You told us how Hindu girls are seeking Muslim Mechanics of Kalkaji … Hindu Rani… Allah Ho.. . True or false we cannot say .. you know better . But do tell us some time about what goes on in families who like to keep their women behind an iron curtain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Take the info as you mostly do when you read any article. Take as much you can take….leave the rest.

    Told about lives behind the iron curtain as well. Perhaps you missed it. You remember what interests you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The delight was evident in your post not mine.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why not Sonia?

    It would definitely add to the sense of zero-ness of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vajpayee would love it. With him it would be one-ness.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But would not the two-some with Sonia look more real.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vajapayee is real……ask people around.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So u insist on Vajpayee …ok… then let’s have Sonia in front of him

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonia would be so safe!

    Sometimes even daily oil massage doesn’t help!People should know.

    Anonymous Reply:

    At this stage she would in any case be safe.

    Anonymous Reply:

    With Vajpayee around, she would be safe anytime. 10 years before or 5 years after.

  • Anonymous

    Please don’t let your wife and children get accustomed to good life, this may
    create problem for you in future.

    Difficult for wife to change lifestyle in hard times: Bombay high court

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Difficult-for-wife-to-change-lifestyle-in-hard-times-Bombay-high-court/articleshow/13103386.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A wise man keeps two set-ups.

    One where the residents are permanent, life style hard, but he still gets love and is treated like a god.

    He keeps the second out-fit, where the occupant is temporary, life style is good, pleasure is great, love is low, and he treats the occupant like dirt.

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  • Anonymous

    A Sindhi called a Radio station and said ‘ I have found a bag containing Rs. 5 lakhs,
    which belongs to Rajinibhai Patel whose visiting card also I found in the bag”
    RJ asked him ” Would you like to return this bag to Mr. Patel”?
    Sindhi ” Do you think I am a fool, I called to dedicate a sad song to Mr. Patel”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really great one! Tempted me to sneak back here… despite a Heeaav vy working day !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    A very kind hearted man, this Singhi gentleman!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Sindhis are very kind hearted. A Sindhi baba was giving sermon to his disciples
    ‘ money is the root cause of all evils, never run after this as money will bring
    you sufferings, so give all your money to me and I will take all your sufferings
    so you all can live peacefully for rest of your life ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I like this one too. ANd I love the Baba, who is so kind to take everybody’s common sufferings.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ CONGRESS BRIBED YEDDY !!!! :) :) :) ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Congress MP Naveen Jindal is a major Stake holder of JSW steel, the company accused of giving donations to Yedurappa. Unfortunately the national media will not report that aspect!!

    In case Shahid Balwa could be arrested and so are the top executives of Unitech and Reliance….

    I think we should request Vinod Sharmaji, and Pathak G now to agitate to take the Supreme court enquiry to Naveen Jindal’s house !!

    Will the two gentleman divert the issue to uttrakhand? Or will they take the shouting brigade to MP??

    Arrre cmon… But what about Naveen Jindal and the JSW kahaani?

    Satyamev Jayate !!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP neutral Vijay,

    Dumping Yeddy so soon? RSS hasn’t done it yet. Don’t mis-cue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Obfuscation attempt No1 fails!!

    is the COngress ready to dump Money bags Jindal?

    Here is an excuse which kids give. Jindal gave amrit. But when Yeddy touched it it became vish (poison)

    I think Rahulg would love this Vish amrit game !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jindal is hardly a money bag.

    I am waiting for you to dump Teddy. For 10 days you will keep singing till the time SC-Yeddy news is hot.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know Naveen Jindal of the 15 billion dollar JSW is no money bag! Only Bangaru Laxman of 1000 dollars is money bag as per COngress.

    Brother try the old formula of Modi and rape here. This formula of Poor billionare COngress can only fool Rahul G and Robert g (partner of DLF, richest man in the world). After alll they could see a 70 foot pit full of bodies in Bhatta Parsaul and a lot of rapes… ! :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    And in the gr8 tradition of the senior Congressis, the 15 billion dollar groupwala congress man is so poor that Naveen JIndal ji does not even own a car…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Check how stingy Jindals are!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Muthi band means all the cash remains with Mr Jindal Does not make him poor.

    Err do you see SOnia G, RahulG and all these poor COngressis travel in the Metro in disguise (maybe dressed as kawadis) as all of these poor people dont even own a Nano or a Bajaj Chetak?

    Anonymous Reply:

    That,s why he can never be a money bag.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, the Jindals have been bribing all the chief ministers of Karnataka and also Andhra for a number of years.

    Just wait when Yeddy begins to drag Dharam Singha and SM Krishna into the pit where he is now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    not so soon. Just wait and you will see how the congress will drop Dharam Singh and SM Krishna like they were never in the party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress always made clean cut. Remember the famous FM who wrote a recommendation letter for his son and was dropped like hot potato ? BJP thought he would spill the beans about Sonia and Congress.Where is he now?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not so clean cut. The present HM has favoured his son in the Arcelor licence issue, but the whole party is solidly supporting him!

    What you are alluding to is the occasional aberration, pre-2G, CWG, Adarsh scam days.

  • Anonymous

    Longest running serial on Indian TV channels. This serial is regularly discussed
    heatedly on various channels, print media and internet.
    !0 years and still going strong.

    Hate Modi Hate Gujarat serial.

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  • Anonymous

    A journalist of top daily drafted Sanjiv Bhatt’s affidavit:SIT report.

    http://deshgujarat.com/2012/05/09/a-journalist-of-top-daily-drafted-sanjiv-bhatts-affidavitsit-report/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prisoners lose all rights here the moment they are sentenced. They cannot vote in many states, even after the jail term.

    How is this man able to connect with all these outsiders? wouldn’t there be a prison guard to monitor conversations?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Manoj Mitta of the Times Of India has amitted that he vetted the affidavit which Bhatt submitted to the SC.

    Funniest thing is, the SC, despite Mitta’s legal angle, threw the affidavit out without even touching it.

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  • Anonymous

    Praveen/Shenoy,

    Regarding your discussion on the cartoon posted by Praveen.
    Pathak is insisting that Vajpayee should be in front so let him be
    happy and let Sonia be behind Man Mohan Singh because
    this where she always is.

    I am going to post a joke which may make few people angry.

    Sonia Gandhi took Man Mohan Singh to a doctor and told him that
    he has got constipation and ordered him to cure our PM.
    Doctor will full respect told her ” Madam he will be cured immediately if you
    will only remove your finger from his a…s.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan…good one .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    See the power of her finger! Even Vajpayee could feel the push. Her shove seems to transcend Congress and shake up even BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    That means you accept that she is fingering our PM.?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Her finger has stirred a whole lot. See how many of them are still in mourning!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now we know why so many of her close confidantes squirm in their seats even when facing the TV camera and and one of the closest-to-the-paqlace media persons is wearing a permanent smile on his face on TV.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    As usual like a politician you have not answered
    by question.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I gave you the superset beneficiary of her finger.The power reached Vajpayee.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The whole world knows about Sonia Gandhi’s finger and the blockage Manmohan Singh’s ***… is suffering.

    The Question really is, what Manmohan Singh is doing about the blockage, because even when he had to be taken to the doctor (as per the fact file), it is Sonia Gandhi who take shim to the doctor.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar-

    I read about the RTI activist death.

    Leaving these killings aside, has any wrong doer/corrupt bureaucrat-politician etc been punished as a result of information obtained through RTI?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    has any wrong doer/corrupt bureaucrat-politician etc been punished as a result of information obtained through RTI?

    That is precisely has been my question. No that I recall.

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  • Anonymous

    Ok …but pl ensure she is there
    ( this was my reply to PathakG )

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She would be there so long Vajpayee can stand.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean she wants it that way ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Check with him first.

  • Anonymous

    Some perspectives/historical research on female infanticide in the North and Northwest by LS Viswanath–

    http://www.womenstudies.in/elib/sex_selection/pup_efforts_of_colonial.pdf

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  • Anonymous

    SIT report uncovers the murky world of anti-Modi cottage industry, where cops, journalists, NGOs, politicians are in nexus

    http://deshgujarat.com/2012/05/09/sit-report-uncovers-the-murky-world-of-anti-modi-cottage-industry-where-cops-journalists-ngos-politicians-are-in-attempt-to-misuse-the-court-read-it-to-believe-it/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Where is the money source? IT cannot be CIA/US. Has to be internal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    This question nobody is able to answer that from where does the money come ?
    NDTV, the prominent news channel is running in loss since many years and
    no one knows who is funding them. They are carrying a loss of more than 70 crores
    in their 2009/210 balance sheet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There has been rumours about NDTV is being funded by Christian “charity” (?) groups from abroad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That figure has risen to Rs 98 crores for the year 2011-12. The Company, like any other business entity, must have taken secured loans, say from banks and others, to meet the cash shortfall (it is all there in the Balance Sheet). This figure seems chicken-feed when compared to losses incurred by the likes of Kingfisher, Jet Airways and many others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good. Fight back and do not crib. Here is counter punch by The Hindu.

    The many twists and turns of February 27, 2002
    Vidya Subrahmaniam

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3409329.ece

    According to the SIT’s closure report, besides Mr. Modi, eight officers attended the meeting. Among them were Anil Mukim, Secretary to the Chief Minister, and Prakash Shah, Additional Secretary (Law and Order).
    The SIT’s preliminary report recorded the presence of seven officers, including Mr. Mukim, but curiously noted that Mr. Mukim himself said he had not attended the meeting. The preliminary report did not at all name Mr. Shah as a participant. Yet he not only crops up in the closure report but makes several assertions about what transpired at the meeting. (The SIT says his deposition was recorded in 2009-2010).

    The closure report is also emphatic about who was not present at the meeting: IPS officer Sanjiv Bhatt. Indeed, seven of the eight participating officers, barring the acting Chief Secretary, Swarna Kanta Verma, who said she had never met him, are “categorical” in the closure report that Mr. Bhatt, then with the State Intelligence, had not attended the meeting. Mr. Modi, who chaired the meeting, would also tell the SIT — of his own accord, without being asked the question — that Mr. Bhatt did not attend it. Says the closure report: “Seven senior administrative and police officers …have categorically stated that Shri Sanjiv Bhatt was not present in the meeting.”

    With Mr. Bhatt being so decisively declared “absent,” no credence, of course, could be given to his statement that at the meeting, Mr. Modi had advocated allowing Hindus to vent their anger against Muslims. In the closure report, each of the officers present is absolutely certain that Mr. Modi gave no such instructions. Yet in the SIT’s preliminary report, the officers were far less certain. Ms. Varma did not mention Mr. Bhatt. And she was also hazy on Mr. Modi’s alleged anti-Muslim instructions, saying she did not “recollect as to whether the CM instructed the police officers that the police should not come in the way of the Hindu backlash…” In the closure report, she asserts that Mr. Modi made no such remarks.

    ———-

    P.K. Mishra, Principal Secretary to the Chief Minister, denied that Mr. Modi gave any illegal instructions, but could not “recollect as to whether Shri Sanjiv Bhatt attended the meeting.” In the closure report, he “categorically” affirms that Mr. Bhatt was not at the meeting.
    ———–

    K. Nityanandan, Secretary (Home), denied Mr. Modi had passed any illegal order but was unable to say whether Ministers were present at the meeting. He said nothing about Mr. Bhatt. In the closure report, he is absolutely sure that Mr. Bhatt had not been present at the meeting.

    ———

    Mr. Bhatt had claimed in his deposition to the SIT that at the meeting, Police Commissioner Pande had strongly objected to the transportation of bodies, saying this could lead to communal riots. Mr. Bhatt said Mr. Pande was supported on this by DGP Chakravarthi. The SIT’s closure report dismisses Mr. Bhatt’s claim as “an imaginary account.” It says that in his deposition, Mr. Pande “strongly” denied that he had raised any objection. Mr. Chakravarthy too said he had made no intervention.

    Mr. Pande’s deposition to the Nanavati-Shah commission, however, shows the man in an entirely different light. The super-confident top cop in the SIT’s narrative comes across in the Nanavati-Shah Commission’s records as deeply distressed — both by what he had been forced to do and the lack of official support for dealing with the anti-Muslim pogrom. On the transportation of bodies, he says: “When I know that 58 bodies were being brought to Ahmedabad … I had a feeling looking to the communal situation of Ahmedabad that it is sensitive and like ‘tinder box,’ and therefore in prevailing circumstances, if these dead bodies are brought to Ahmedabad, then possibly it will create serious impacts..” Further, “after knowing the fact that these dead bodies were being brought or were brought to Ahmedabad, to say that what was my duty? I leave this matter to the Commission.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    It seems that whole case hangs on that meeting where allegedely Modi
    had given so called instructions that Hindus can have free hand to vent
    their anger against – it is altogether another matter that many Hindus were
    aslo killed in that riots – . Only person who says that Modi had given such
    order is Bhatt and as per SIT report it is proven that he is not telling the truth.
    SIT under the supervision of SC, not Gujarat government, has given the clean
    chit to Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Question: Why should even one person (religion is irrelevant) should have lost his/her life.

    Leave that aside for the moment . Regarding.what happened in that meeting will probably be decided by the courts.

    True. The SIT was constituted by the Supreme Court and has given a clean chit to Modi.

    A) SIT is not the deciding authority/judge. The courts will take a call on that after hearing both the sides.

    B) Because ‘questions’ were raised by whosoever (‘anti-Modi forces’) , the same Supreme Court appointed Raju Ramchandaran as the Amicus Curiae to have look.

    One can accept one and rubbish the other report would depend upon one’s leanings. As for me and I have said it before to my response to Ishwar, leave to the courts (at three levels), lawyers and witnesses to decide the matter in a couple of years time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I agree with you that no one sould lose her/his life in this manner.
    Riots happen, not only in India but all over the world. During riots some people
    just become animals and than whoever comes in thir way, unfortunately suffers.
    It is wrong to blame one person for this whole sad incident because it does not
    look that these riots were planned and executed.
    Per planned riots are different matter where selected groups/caste/community
    are only targeted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Whatever you say is highly debatable, based on whatever material / information is available in the public domain and what one wishes to believe and disbelieve.

    2) The courts will take a call on the issues raised by you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So far I believe there are 3 of them(cops) have deposed against Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes, deposition=3
    credibility……….=000000000000.000

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are so confident, then send Modi on vacation for 9 months then see how many skeletons tumble out of the cabinet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wonder of wonders!

    With the whole anti-Modi cottage industry, which now includes the newest employee, the congressi troll, busy supporting Bhatt, still there are no takers for the late latif who woke up to the fact of his attandance at the meeting at Modi’s residence after 8years!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    There is a saying in Kerala “Ushnam Ushnena Shantaye” (heat can be solved only by heat; or extreme steps alone settle extreme conditions)… there is a similar phrase in Latin ” Similia Similibus Curentur”

    Gujrat has been a peaceful place since 2002. In fact no skirmishes happened there after the riots. No other state can claim that.

    Death and destruction are inevitable sometimes. Bombing of Japan, while sad,
    ended the world war.

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  • Anonymous

    Looks like the Marxist Party is at the beginning of its end in kerala.

    All leads are pointing to CPM in the “quotation” murdering of a well liked ex CPM leader Chandrasekharan.

    Prominent CPM leaders have come out stating they will leave the party if it comes out that the murder was sanctioned by CPM

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  • Anonymous

    An interesting tidbit of historical info..towards the end of the article.. Puri temple was built by AnanthaVarma ChadoGanga Deva, grandson of Rajendra Choa of the Chola dynasty

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article3409214.ece

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  • Anonymous

    Kannada movie runs into trouble with Saffron brigade

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangalore/Kannada-movie-runs-into-trouble-with-Saffron-brigade/articleshow/13108667.cms

    Kannada actor Upendra’s 3-D movie ‘Katariveera Surasundarangi’ has run into trouble with the Saffron brigade here. The screening of the 3-D film has been stopped in three districts of the state, Dakshina Kannada, Udupi and Chikmagalur, with Saffron activists terming many scenes in the film as derogatory in nature and hurt their sentiments.

    Sharan Pumpwell, convener of Bajrang Dal, who stopped the screening of the film here on Saturday, said that: The depiction of Hindu Gods was derogatory in nature. The producer says it is entertainment. But we fail to gather what is entertaining. What message it will send to the society, particularly children, who may believe the absurd depiction of Gods in that movie.”

    ———-

    Theatre owners here said the movie had a good collection. You know the situation here. We cannot screen unless the demands of Bajrang Dal are met. We don’t know when we will be able to screen it,” said a theatre owner.

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Whoever is involved in this should be punished. I am sure producer of this movie
    would be happy with this news because of the publicity it has generated.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nothing will happen. This is nothing new. All it requires is one person to grunt and the administration blinks. The whole political class is busy playing vote-bank politics.

    Yesterday was Shankar’s cartoon and the Government just blinked.

    In this case, the Government will do nothing and the producer will just delete the scenes as directed. Period.

    Tragic.

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  • Anonymous

    Saudi king dismisses conservative adviser

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/south-asia/Saudi-king-dismisses-conservative-adviser/articleshow/13109553.cms

    Sheik Abdul-Mohsen al-Obeikan had told a local radio station that officials were working to Westernize and secularize the country’s laws by “legalizing taboos.”

    “This situation is a very dangerous one that is linked to schemes by influential people to corrupt Muslim society by removing women from their natural position,” he said in remarks recently broadcast on the station UFM.
    ——–
    The former adviser, 81, sparked an uproar in 2010 when he said that a woman could be alone or even appear without her veil in front of an unrelated adult male if he drinks her breast milk because it establishes a mother-son bond in Islamic tradition.

    That reasoning is rejected by most Islamic scholars.

    ————
    This cleric must be out of his mind.

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  • Anonymous

    Some people claim that girls are dumb, are they ?

    A gentleman despite several attempts was not able to convince any girl to marry him.
    He spread a rumour that he has two penises. Hearing this one girl agreed to marry him. On wedding night he told her that he has given one to his neighbour Mr. Joshi
    who had lost his in an accident. After about a month this guy went out of town for
    a business trip and when he came back his wife angrily shouted at him and said
    ” Why did you give the better one to Joshi”

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    here is some more gist to the anti-Modi cottage Industry’s mills:

    SIT Chief Raghavan clarifies allegations
    ==================================

    Soon after the Supreme Court appointed Special Investigation Team(SIT) cleared Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi in its riot probe report, the mainstream media(known as MSM in online world) known for its anti-Modi stand has started attacking SIT Chief Raghavan. A few national media houses published stories on Shri Raghavan’s London travel and pointed finger at Gujarat govt for paying bills of such travels. While such hit job stories were published on the front page, Shri Raghavan’s clarification found place on 10th page (in Hindustan Times Delhi edition) in left bottom corner of ‘short stories’ section. Following is Shri Raghavan’s clarification published in HT Delhi today:

    You have carried a report suggesting that I compromised my position vis-a-vis the Gujarat government by accepting two trips to London in 2008 and 2009.

    Please note that on both occasions, I was in London in my private capacity and had to visit to Ahmedabad at great personal inconvenience to attend to urgent SIT work.

    Although I was entitled to executive class travel, I traveled economy class on both occasions.

    My return air tickets cost less than Rs 40,000 each time. On the other hand, had I traveled from Chennai (instead of from London) to Ahmedabad by executive class, it would have cost Rs 65,000 each time. So, I saved the government Rs 50,000 on two trips.

    To say that the state government favored me by sending me to London is mischievous and utter falsehood aimed at maligning my reputation.

    http://deshgujarat.com/2012/05/12/sit-chief-raghavan-clarifies-allegations/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Waiting for a spin on this story from the country’s top spinners viz. Pathakji and Manohar_T.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Both have faulty action… a la Murlitharan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Here is the googly.

    Raghavan’s travel expenses is an extraneous matter, though Modi’s detractors wll milk it to the last drop.

    The issue before the courts is the conduct of Modi’s administration in 2002 and that is in the two reports by the SIT and the Amicus Curiae.

    That should not detract you from celebrating this little victory – Raghavan’s clarification being taken as a ‘clean’ chit to Modi.

    As I said earlier to you and to Mohan – the SIT nor the AC are not the final word. Wait for couple of years for the court’s decision one way or the other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I really don’t care much if Modi gets a boot or not. If the opposition is weak, he will rule; else he will get shunted. It’s between him and the opposition.

    However nonchalant I may be, I personally see a lot of cover up operations going on in Gujarat with “one of our own” approach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course. The justice system was turned into theatre of the absurd, a massive cover-up operation has been full swing, rewarding officers who toed the line, attempts to white-wash the horror with the Gujarat ’success’ story, trumpeting that there have been no riots since in Gujarat (true on the scale of 2002,but false when day to day incidents result in rioting, which happens all over the country). On the scale of 1984 and 2002, no rioting has taken place anywhere in India, so making a virtue out of riot-free Gujarat is all hogwash.

    The question is not whether he will continue to lord over Gujarat for another term or two, it is his national ambitions (which his supporters are so eager about). The court cases will keep him pinned downed for quite sometime to come.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    We have been hearing such stories since very long time now. If they can’t get anything
    against Modi, our media will try their best to malign anyone close to Modi.
    It is good that he is not married otherwise his family members also would been
    hounded unnecessary by our biased media.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan.

    “If they can’t get anything against Modi, our media will try their best to malign anyone close to Modi”.

    Are you suggesting that Mr. Raghavan was close to Mr. Modi (may or may not be true)? Isn’t that even more damaging?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No I did not mean that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS
    There is a saying in kerala “Ushnam ushnena Shanta ye” (heat can be solved only by heat –or extreme steps alone settle extreme conditions)..there is a similar phrase in Latin – “Similia Similibus Cuentur”.

    Gujrat has been a peaceful place since 2002. In fact, no skirmishes happened there after 2002. No other state can claim that..

    Death and destruction are inevitable sometimes. Bombing Japan, while sad, ended the dreadful second world war.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Vinod Sharmaji as the political editor of HT should now put all the journalists to probe if the SIT ate dhoklas in Gujarat and who paid for them.

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  • Anonymous

    @ PathakG

    Your loyalty to SoniaG is very touching. She has almost goddess like mythincal powers in our eyes !

    My grapevine says that Robert G is taking very very keen interest in politcs these days. I hope you have spin ready– at least for us other bloggers– on why we all need to be ruled by this bringht dynamic guy who rose form travelling in rickshaws in Moradabab in1998 to partnering Dlf In Dlf Hilton and other land ventures and having his own airline business.

    Gr8 … really gr8 business acumen and maybe I too can learn…and even you on how to create business opportunities..

    Of course your spin on the poverty of naveen jindal, Congress MP. part owner of the 15 billion dollar jindal steel empire which gave donation to yedurappa was very inspiring. If that is the level of poverty in India… the King of Kuwait must be very poor… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Robberji has beaten you in style…He won the style award from HT…the citation said “he was always stylish, from his school days”

    The Society article also said he is good in, now dont fall from your chair, “diving, horse riding, golf, swimming, fishing, mountaineering”… I knew he knew fishing, but all else?

    The article was silent on the subject of girls. He may leave that space for you for a while

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon… I am no match for our dear Robertji… the future king of India.

    We, after all are the humble slaves and the rulED!

    Long live the future king… and may PathakG write glorious court poetry in his praise…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not everybody can dare to approach, date, marry and deal with a “power woman” in daily life.

    That says a lot about a man.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not everryone’s mom is pushy, Catholic and the hindi teacher of the princess

    But…

    In the end, despite a failing small family business and little education… he won the princess. I would admire him for that and his self confidence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Phooh….

    Crib , crib and more cribbing.

    Can you think of anythingelse other than cribbing?

    uska lamba haat hai..isliye he bowls fast !

    When are you going to stop cribbing and start performing ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    6 years ago when I saw him person, he was a chubby short boy and overweignt. Well i believe he goes to the gym regularly. If you have money and time… you can pursue various interests, even if you dont have education. Pursuing hobbies is one thing… which is very good. To be an expert is another/

    A lot of times ordinary performances by the rich and famous are given extraordinary applause by our drooling media looking for favours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually I showed more confidence in Vajpayee’s inabilities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you want to learn then join the course NIT as Gopi said. Stop cribbing here. You crib too much and don’t do any action. It’s becoming your hallmark.

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  • Pankaj#1

    PathakG;
    Sorry, would not be able to give a detail reply for various reasons. Just want to say that even if it is half true, what you reported about ladies having affair with poor car mechanics, it is clearly a case of sexual exploitation of a poor , weak (economically) person by empowered and rich persons. This is reprehensible. Personally, I think your post is completely fabricated.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha…ha..ha.ha…..

    Pankaj, I am not sure when you left India. Delhi has many shades….the extremes….Poor and filthy rich…romantic lovers and gang rapists, top class hookers and well paid Gigloos…..

    You misconstrued. These are not affairs. These are cases of simple casual sex. Just enjoying sex to the hilt.

    And yes, women sometimes just want pure sex unapologetically. Time we understood and appreciated that.

    BTW, we have detailed recorded question & answers sessions of people themselves, relatives and friends sharing their experiences, stuff that are made of for detailed serious research. It’s not some casual rant.

    Moreover, Delhi in early eighties was no less.

    If I quote some incidents, it would really shock you.

    The point is it’s time we changed ourselve, and take women and their desire for good sex seriously.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But why only talk about Muslim men and Hindu women?

    Kya Hindu men and Muslim girls kehne se darr lagta hai?? in typicalc COngress style?

    Jo darr so marr gaya…

    Yeh jeena bhi jeena haI???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Get me a good set of samples first. Hawa mein teer mat chalao.

    You say that “muslims should allow” as if hindus allowed muslims to screw hindu girls.

    I told you before, you are a basically a weakling. You beg at the slightest chance.

    I also told you nobody will go to a war with you. You are basically for naarebaazi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Delhi is NOT the whole of india , INDIA is not delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I have also heard such stories that middle aged woman look for casual sex
    and they seek young boys just for pure sexual pleasure. However, I have never
    heard that these ladies look for Muslim boys for his purpose. Few years back
    I had read an article in a paper that middle aged rich woman in a group come from
    Ahemadabad to Bomay specially for this. What they need is only sex without
    any strings attached.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan and Pankaj

    I think you are being naive. Sex has no religion, caste, ethnicity, nationality, money, blah, blah, blah. There may be reasons and fantasies for seeking partners with certain labels. The Beauty and the Beast, tasting forbidden fruits, Toy Boys, etc.

    Have you seen the 1988 film – Rihaee (Liberation) – starring Hema Malini, Naseeruddin Shah and Vinod Khanna, directed by Aruna Raje? The full film has been uploaded on YouTube.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    There is a religious angle where sex is involved.Not always
    but sometimes religion do comes into the picture.
    Just few days back Ravi had posted an article about some
    Pakistani nationals being convicted of raping white young girls.
    It was alleged that they specially hunt for non muslim girls
    for this. Pathak also claims that women in Delhi seek
    Muslim young boys for sexual pleasure. And you can never
    separate money from sex, they both most of the times go together.
    I have not seen this movie Rihaee, will download and
    watch whenever I get time. I had seen a movie last year-
    Turning thirty- which starred Gul Panang. This movie is not
    about sex but there are few scenes in the movie where sex
    is mentioned in a very casual way without being apologetic
    about it as if it was a very normal recreational act in which
    people not married to each other indulged into. Sex is
    considered as a stress buster in this movie and not necessarily with your partner/spouse.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I am sorry to say that Manohar is correct.

    I did post a news paper report about a gang of Muslim boys from Rochdale targeting wihite vulnerable girls. For my labours I was curcified by all the usual suspects PLUS Dr Shan.

    It was Dr Shan who made the incident as a part of well organised Sexual Jihad where in Muslim men do not target Muslim girls but ONLY target Non-Muslim girls. Despite that being true, to conclude that is an integral part of some Religion Based Muslim Jihad is a total fabrication. A Lie. Those men were villians the fact that they were Muslim is neither here not there any more than the fact that the victims were white girls has any baring on the case.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I did not take any part in the heated discussion which you had with other bloggers
    on this issue because I do not have any informed
    views on this subject.( Though I hear many such things but I normally don’t form my opinion on hearsay) Here also note that
    I have written – It was ALLEGED that they specially hunt for non muslim girls
    for this-. And I mentioned a post of Pathak
    where he had said that some rich women
    specially look for Muslim boys for sexual
    pleasure. That is why I wrote that religion gets
    involved sometimes where sex is concerned.
    Should I have written that ‘maybe’ religion gets
    involved sometimes where sex is concerned?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If truth be told, Pathakji, being in the media, has bags-full of these pre-fabricated yarns, which he keeps claiming they are from the ugly underbelly of Delhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    The whole thing was put in a COngress double speak way. There was some sort of celeberation in PathakG’s post. When i asked him what his reaction would be in case Hindu men had sex with Muslim girls… he hummed, hawed, gnawed, chewed… but ran away without answering.

    Congress senses how the voting goes… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t hum….Go get muslim girls and have sex. Did you when you had a chance? Or, it was two gulabs swaying in the breeze?
    Perhaps you hummed, hawed, gnawed, chewed when you were expected to perform.

    You just mock and fool of yourself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    May be, you neither hemmed nor hawed
    but like a shrill crow, you cawed
    And your arguments were deeply flawed
    like a bad carpenter, the wrong wood you sawed.

  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Please feel free to come back to that discussion any time. Looking after family is more important.

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  • Anonymous

    Good morning friends.

    There are two kinds of people who say that money cannot buy everything. Those who
    don’t have and those who have lot of money.

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  • Anonymous

    Brahmin sperm in high demand among childless couples.
    Even among Muslims, couples want to know whether the donor is Sunni or Shiite.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Brahmin-sperm-in-high-demand-among-childless-couples/articleshow/13114610.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    “Barkis is willing”.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘BJP should groom young leaders now or it will be difficult in the next 5-10 years’

    n this Idea Exchange moderated by Assistant Editor Swaraj Thapa, Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar speaks about winning the Goa elections and his plans for the state

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-should-groom-young-leaders-now-or-it-will-be-difficult-in-the-next-510-years/948644/0

    Excerpts
    ———–

    Swaraj Thapa: You are said to be a good man in the wrong party. Have you ever thought of leaving the BJP?

    If I leave the party, it will be when I leave politics. It is the right party and it is only because I am in the BJP that they have allowed me to perform. I got offers from top leaders in the Congress but I considered that negative for me. My party allowed me to perform. I saw how Congress treated its leaders when they were in power in Goa. My party has never put pressure on me for anything illegal.

    ———–

    Swaraj Thapa: You have talked about bringing a younger leadership into the party.

    I still talk about it. My logic is very clear: older people should guide younger people into politics. In politics, there is no 60-year age limit because sometimes, experience counts more. BJP should groom young leaders now because in the next 5-10 years, if you don’t have good leaders from the younger generation to vibe with the youth, you will find it very difficult.

    ————

    Vandita Mishra: You said Goa voted as whole and BJP has got a considerable section of the minority vote as well. What did BJP do differently this time?

    Goa never voted as a whole before. There used to be two regional groups called the Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party, which was a predominantly Hindu party, and the United Goan Party, a predominantly Catholic party. United Goan became Congress and Catholics voted for the Congress as a whole. To win the state, they would need 12-15 per cent of the Hindu vote which they used to manage. The last seven years of Congress rule has seen nothing but the looting of Goa. Most people thought the administration would collapse and that the Congress government had to go. As I said, we developed confidence among the minorities by our actions. My communication with Catholic groups was always good. I have many friends amongst them and the Muslims too. But this time we communicated with them on a larger platform. I convinced leaders like Matanhy Saldanha to join us. Other candidates were given tickets in Hindu strongholds, sure-shot seats for the BJP. We could have won those with a Hindu candidate too but we gave them to Catholic candidates who had worked with us for a few years. I think we have more minority MLAs today than the Congress does.

    ———

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    CM Parrikar says that he got offer from Congress to join their party but
    he preferred to stay with BJP because he was allowed to perform.
    Indirectly he says that in Congress no one is allowed to perform without
    the permission from high command.
    Mr. Parrikar also says that they have more minorty MLAs than the congress.
    Does this mean that RSS clout is diminishing ? Or perhaps RSS never
    bothered to get involved in these matters ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Observe how the biased media asks him, You are the right person in the wrong party” . Remember, the same was said about Vjapayee too, despite the fact that for a long time Vajapayee was one of the founders of the party and also he was the party.

    In the same vein, we too can say Sonia Maino is the wrong person in the wrong party in the wrong country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is a well known fact that whenever the Congress selects a Chief Minister or a Party President in a state, three to four wolves also let loose to make sure the person does not become too big for his boots to challenge the people in Delhi. No wonder, the voters in a number of states have made sure that the Congress has no relevance. No local strong leader, no votes – go take a walk.

    As for Manohar Parrikar, he brought a thumping victory for the BJP, and I do not think anyone in Delhi will play tricks in Goa. He has been left to manage it. About 27% to 30% of the population of Goa is Christian – if anyone in the RSS has any fancy ideas to impose Hindutva ways (Cow Slaughter ban, beef-eating ban, etc.), the Government will fall the same day. IMO, Parrikar will be the first one to oppose it.

    Manohar Parrikar as Prime Ministerial candidate of the BJP. Any takers?

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  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ approaching AMIR KHAN for removing NAUKERCY ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    Satyamev Jayate is an amazing program which will change India in some way. Today’s programme was about Child sexual abuse.

    Now let us bloggers request Amir Khan to do a programme on abuse of democracy by families who have captured power and our resources and now employ drooling newsmedia people who write court poetry of praises.

    Yes NAUKERCY and Family capture of the Indiain National COngress is indeed a hige huge problem of India. Today as RAAbertji (actor ajit’s pronouciation of robert) lunges closer to power, the media is already creating spin and paens of praises.

    I think we should all make a petition for Amir Khan so that he does a programme on restoring our national jewel , the Indian national Congress and escuing it from Dahlas, dynastic succession, cheats, chors, sycophants, troll, criminals, corrupt.

    I request Pathak G and other Congressi droolers to join in this huge national effort.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The main purpose of Satyamev Jayate is not trying to find the disease , BUT A DRY RUN FOR HIS FORTHCOMING FILM.
    How about AAmir Khan doing a programme analysing the ethnic/linguistic profile of all CROOKS in Delhi, lets see which surnames have preponderance

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I would have thought that despite all your attack on some of us at various times, you possess above average intelligence. Therefore, this is an unkind cut.

    The second point is, this is an all India problem. I think he tackles issues affecting the whole nation.

    Rather, the whole humanity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe it’s being telecasted in 100 countries.
    I am sure they have universal appeal.

    Let’s first appreciate what he has done, rather than what he has not telecsted so far.

    Ravi Reply:

    Rubbish

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t do a daily soap of “sher aya, sher aya”….when actually a sher comes nobody will listen to you.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    As if any one does now

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ROFL!

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  • Anonymous

    Aamir Khan has already recorded 13 episode of Satyameva Jayate and he,
    through this program is trying to inform the people about the grave problems
    of our country. I don’t think it has anything to do with his forth coming movie.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Agreed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    We had taken a lead on Amir Khan on this blog, as we had discussed his to-day’s topic of child-sexual abuse last week itself.

    All of you may remember how the 10 Pakistanis were sentenced by a British judge for sexually exploiting small girls, because they were all of non-Muslim white descent.

    You may also remember all, including Dr. Shan had condemned the perpetrators and applauded the judge for giving “kadi se kadi” sazaa to the Pakistani haiwans in human shape.

    All, except fake Ravi, who said it is a small thing blown out of all proportions.
    And he was ably supported by the great Pathakji, even when, surprisingly (or may be unsurpriseingly, I grant it to him) the congressi troll had condemned the haiwans.

    But the surprise packet was Mahesh, who in a delayed, daaru-induced fit of righteous anger, sprang to fake Ravi’s defence.

    But we must applaud Amir Khan for putting the whole issue before the nation and the world and it was a masterly performance from the ace actor, who showed that he is like the rest of us, a concerned citizen, a worried Indian and a deeply pained, distressed human being.

    Amir, tum Amar raho.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Was it as good as the first episode?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    A novelty attracts high appreciation if it is intrinsically good, which the first episode was.

    Today’s was wider in scope, because the topic is universal, gender-insensitive and also, for we Indians, a very taboo-isque subject.

    Therefore, my verdict, subjective though I may be, is that Amir Khan handled it with sensitivity, technical competency and finesse.

    I think with skillful narration, he brought the taboo subject to the drawing rooms of our prudish nation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. I am looking forward to watching on youtube tonight.

    Ravi Reply:

    Once again BV Shenoy is attributing to me his very own views.

    I never ever said anything of the kind that it was a minor affair etc etc.

    He is a pathetic runt who feels good only when he abuses other people

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What else were you expecting from the resident juvenile
    abuser?

    His ’skill’ is spreading falsehood, untruths, lies, innuendos and canards about others and then attack. In all other respects, he is a big zero.

    I suggest you just ignore his rants.

    Ravi Reply:

    Good advise is rarer than rubies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You do not have to refute whatever he says. None from his ’side’ will come to your rescue for reasons well known.

    Just ignore.

    Ravi Reply:

    Will do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You most certainly justified the rapes of white girls.

    And I am not the only person to have attacked you on this proclivity of yours, nor I am the only person you have poured youhave poured your vitriol on. (I hope Binoy reads this)

    Ravi Reply:

    So you make an allegation and then invite some one else to support you.

    How about posting my words which you think are in support of the rape.

    If you dont, then you are a LIAR

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just to jog your memory,

    Vijay kumar, Shan, Mohan etc had already condemned you before I posted my opinion.

    And they were certainly not complimenting you on your loud defence of the Pakistani child rapists.

    Ravi Reply:

    Condemned me for what?

    Why don’t you provide supporting evidence. LIAR.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “….Amir, tum Amar raho. …”

    Hope you say that if he is seen with Sonia Gandhi !

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    Ravi Reply:

    It will be interesting how he would react when Amir makes a programme on Religious Riots

    Anonymous Reply:

    If we judge him by the quality of two episodes, I am totally confident that AMir Khan will excel himself in the programme on religious riots.

    I hope he has already done one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    just to jog your memory,

    Pathakji:What are chances that Amir Khan would make an episode on Communalism in Satyamev Jayate?

    Gopi:I dont think he will.

    Pathakji:You are most probably right. He will not touch that subject. And he must not. Else, he will be booed, ridiculed, discredited and whatever chance he has to do good things in life would also be lost.

    Praveen Saxenaji:What are the chances that shall make an episode on Fake Secularism in Satyamev Jayate?

    Pathakji:No chance. He is sensible.

    B.V.Shenoy:Which is why the subject of pseudo secularism should appeal to him enough to make an episode on it. A genuine one on fakes.

    (old, quotable quotes quoted)

    Ravi Reply:

    How does this stack up as evidence to support your accusation that I defended Rape and Rapists.

    YOU ARE A LIAR

    Anonymous Reply:

    You bloody fool,

    this is all about what people said about communalism, communal riots etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wrong.

    This what people said while discussing whether Amir Khan should do an episode on “Communalism”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Religious Riots is not a top problem India faces. In fact, it is a result of other problems like jobs, housing etc

    Anonymous Reply:

    He will not and he must not.

    Let him few things in his own way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I would most certainly shout “Amir Khan Zindabad”, whether or when he is seen with Sonia Gandhi or Bal Thakre.

    I remember he was sometime back also seen with Advani showing him his picture Taare Zamin par.

    Then too I had said, ‘Wah Amir!’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I felt certain sincerity when you said Amir, tum amar raho.

    Hope you say that always, though knowing you I have my doubts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you should get away with the fixation with Sonia Gandhi !!

    Do you feel Sonia is India and India is sonia?

    Arre Baba many chamacha COngressis feel that way…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Has Ravi reported another episode from some “unknown times” about xx Hindus arrested for the plan to cause riots

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    I had posted you and Vijay Kumar a challenge to point where exactly anybody (emphasis added – ANYBODY) has defended the behavior.
    If you have read the whole discussion – it was about the co-relation between country of origin and the act. NOBODY DEFENDED PERPETRATORS OR THE ACT.
    I can see nothing has changed since then – including your behavior.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are too confused to get the issue. The basic issue was whether the sexual massacre of innocent underage girls had a religious angle to it. Ravi was insisting there was not. I was saying that there may be. Shan was definate that there was some religious sanction.

    I think my post will be too confusing. Better to have nimbu pani once a while. :)

    Ravi Reply:

    How did that amount to me either defending the rapists or rape.

    B V Shenoy has accused me of being alone in defending the Rapists and the Rapes.

    He is a first class bleeding LIAR

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    The basic issue was the massacre of the young girls, sexually. Since you eloquontly went out of the way to defend the rapists, indirectly by saying that them being Muslim had nothing to do with it– you still inded up protecting them.

    In the end it becomes a standard obfuscation pattern ofr the rapists. That we are muslims so we are being targetted. In fact had this been India, a TV debate with familiar riff raf organising morchas on the behalf of the rapists behalf would be happening as votes would be seen.

    I was questioning why had they not picked up girls from other religions. Is it not necessary to see that angle, rather than jump to conclusions. I have quoted a Dalily mail report of 2011 to prove that the UK authrities were workign on the reliigious angle right from1996

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh asked you a YES or NO question and you write an essay defending your position.

    Thank you. The question remains unanswered.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You defended the rapists–Yes.

    For whatever reasons.

    Ravi Reply:

    Lying Rani supports her Lying Raja.

    Care to prove it by quoting MY WORDS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So you agree Ravi or anybody here was not defending the act as Mr. Shenoy has opined ?
    All I want is simple Yes or No.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi was implicitly defending that by stating “others also do it”, so why pick on them unless you are an Islamaphobe

    Ravi Reply:

    “Impicitly” you mean your interpretation rather than my statement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Negating the argument that Child Abuse is attribute of a particular community doesn;t amount to defending the act. Both are different things.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But selective white child abuse by Pakistani Muslims is religiously motivated

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I haven’t changed my opinion of you too.

    And am not likely to change it soon, having already assessed you as vain, pompus, confused, confusing, indulging self delusion, falsely believing in intellectual superiority and displaying pathetic lack of it in your posts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for letting me know you that you spend considerable amount of your waking time drawing conclusions about the people making postings here. Interesting hobby.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    Just a small statement . While it is good Mr. Khan is bringing up the issues – his hurry in jumping from one issue to other (which BTW he has done in past as well) has seen him adapting a format that tends to shy away from exploring the complexity of underlying causes. Hope the analysis gets stronger – or else the whole series will be restricting itself to just that , a mildly conscientious reality show. Maybe he may want to have a look at Mr. Galbraith’s BBC series “Age of Un-certainty” or even Nat Geo’s series.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh-
    It seems he has made people responsive/responsible. Authorities in MP and Rajastan have already initiated some actions – the key is whether the civic society pressure can be sustained until the government schemes work on a consistent basis.

    BTW did you read about the JP Morgan $2 billion trading hit – no regulation has been passed to prevent these type of things after the meltdown!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,
    I am not at all denying the positive outcomes of Satyamev Jayate. My argument is a bit more rigour in the analysis educates people deeply . IMHO, that could carry much more impact.
    JP Morgan …. don’t specifically remember anything recently.
    Please feel free to post a link.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I think we are expecting too much from him.

    Please read the interview of Aamir Khan on this subject.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?280889

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  • Anonymous

    Folks , lets discuss something really serious rather than TU TU main Main on Modi /BJP etc. I saw the news on NDTV last night(that is early morning for folks in India)about INDIA IMPORTING field guns from USA worth 12000 CRORE
    AND A BASIC (yes you are reading it correct)TRAINER AIRCRAFT for those who who JUST joined the airforce.
    NOW THIS IS THE TECHNOLOGICAL PROWESS OF INDIA ,
    remember the clown Mani Aiyyar and Mohan Das Pai talking about “We are a Billion people blah blah blah”
    Well we are a billion USELESS BAKWAS PRONE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER FROM A DELUSION OF GRANDEUR

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I look at this in another way. India is BOSS and have given an ORDER to USA
    to manufacture some guns and training aircrafts. For this India will pay some
    money to US. BOSS always pay his EMPLOYEES.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What is 12000 crore in defence today?

    Today, the production agency for Prithvi, Agni, Akash and Brahmos missiles has a total order valued at over Rs.93 lakh crore.

    Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/apj-abdul-kalam-hails-indira-gandhi-for-agni-v-success/1/186052.html

    See that’s where India has focussed. It’s not necessary to produce everything. That’s what econometrics is all about.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sorry , you do not know the meaning of ECONOMETRICS, a little tutorial
    “Econometrics has been defined as “the application of mathematics and statistical methods to economic data
    To make it easy for you, let say you want to know how the economy is doing, now you can collect data from each and every industry , alternately you look at the data of SULPHURIC ACID consumption/production , FOR THAT FINDS ITS WAY INTO A MASSIVE NUMBER OF INDUSTRY.
    As to india’s technological prowess in defence industry , it is only class v, standard.You are new to this blog , thus not aware that whoever tried to cross path on this subject had their face splattered with shit.
    Just a small information , ADVANCED LIGHT HELICOPTER , the engine is french?Snecma ,the design is MBT of germany .
    Brahmos IS A JOINT ENDEAVOUR(read 80% russsian) with RUSSIA
    PLEASE PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE AMOUNT OF ARMS EXPORTED BY INDIA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The answer lies in your own reply.(econometrics part). You must not only know what it is, also be aware how people use the tool.

    Economerics is used for forecasting and policy evaluation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shanthanu

    Mohan Das Pai is making a rhetorical statement that 1 billion people could do. With leadership, focus etc many things could be done. Infosys is an example of ordinary people like Mohandas building a worldwide company creating well paid jobs and wealth to ordinary Indians.

    I am sure they must be involved in developing the embedded systems in sophisticated military hardware through contract with defence producers such as Boeing, Martin Marietta etc.

    One of the problems with Indian defence is that Govt does not allow private enterprise in the development and manufacturing. They should open it up. US govt does not produce any tanks or missiles. All their manufacturing is done by the defence companies – at the specification of army experts.

    Talking about defence, what about the issue of jawans rounding up colonels and majors and beating the up in a military camp in Kashmir? Mohan -thanks for the link. It has not got wide coverage; but i hope the military brass is aware of that and making corrective processes so this does not happen again.

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  • Anonymous

    PATHAKJI, YOU SAID, “Don’t do a daily soap of “sher aya, sher aya”….when actually a sher comes nobody will listen to you”.

    I believe nobody quotes this Eusop’s fable these days.

    Among the palace courtiers and naukars of the family, the oft-heard cry is “Soniaji ki ungli ayee, Soniaji ki ungli aayi”

    It is also said that Soniaji has authorised Ahmed Patelji to use his ungli on her behalf, on the condition that the fingered gentleman/lady must be told that it is ‘Soniaji ki ungli’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really Gr8!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good.

    Now, Sonia’s oongli has some impact on you. You seem to be singing sonia’s oongli song now. Keep it up.

    And keep checking haw far the shove gone in.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This Sonia-oongli special is for palace courtiers and naukars of the family.

    Like Mr. Iyer in today’s Amir show, these naukars and courtiers seem to have come to like the presence of Sonia-oongli inside their gudh-dwaar, fully or partly.

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  • Anonymous

    Wht naukerrcy does to reason !!

    We have seen PathkG defend SoniaG as if she is somewsort of Hunterwali superwoman!!

    We have seen him create spin for the impendng entry of RAAbert (actor Ajit’s pronounciation of Robert G) in politics. As it is done in Cuba, North Korea, Somalia and Pakistan

    The COngress will soon become a comic brigade creating spin of the “Education” and qualifications of the two to lead India…l

    And as the Chamcha and servile sycophant brigade in the COngress prostrates itself in the Congress to applaud anf applaud… like true NAUKARS…

    Pathak calls me…. weak !! and a Cribber !!

    Pathakji look into the mirror. :)

    Weak wahi democracy nahi Parivar ki sewa mein lag jaye,,,

    Weak wahi jo sach kehane se tharr tharr ghabraye ….

    Weak wahi jo asoolon ko paise ke laalach mein baech aaye… !!

    Par aaj Dulhan Woh NAHI jo Pathak ji dilwaye…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are basically a weak ling;

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Personal abuse is the rant of a losing ling…
    Who cannot support arguement with reasoning..

    Since you keep a record on performences of so many lings
    Chidambarm can make you the the Head of dpartment of Ding-a -ling !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Talk with a reason. You will always get replies with a reason.

    You talk with absurdity. You will get a double.

    I will raise the bar always.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You should not speak the truth, it hurts you know where.

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  • Anonymous

    Satyameva Jayate is a fantastic production.

    Prisoners sentenced for child abuse here (in USA) generally get killed in the prison by other prisoners. Prisoners have an internal code of honor; with child abusers considered scummest ..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Its the same here.

    As soon as one enters the jail, the first question that is asked is not about one’s name, profession, etc. The first question is “kaun se case mein andar aaya hai?”

    The answer is usually in IPC acts like 76, 77, 96, 4B, etc (short forms of some acts). The rapists and the child rapists in particular get a strong thrashing by the inmates and are looked down upon for the duration of their stay behind the bars. Thankfully (???), no one is killed for it.

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  • Anonymous

    A desire for genuine secularism !!
    ————————————————————-

    I raised the issue of Muslim girls dating and having a relationship with HInduChristian and Sikh men to show that to REMOVE Islamophobia community interactions have to be two way.

    Unfortunately PathakG only obfuscated and Hemmed and hawed and chewed his nails. In fact my Web cam and gestapo reveals that he chose to hide under the sofa rather than answer this. PROBABLY SEEKING instructions from 10 Janpath on what to say !!! :) :)

    As for Ravi denying that there was a religious angle to the Muslim men pushing underage girls and sexaully massacring girls … well he is certainly living in denial. If he is Sikh… then he should know how the UK sikh community was worked up on this.

    He is in my view in deep “relationship’ with some Paksitanis to peddle lies from the Pakistani Muslim angle.

    I still maintian that sexual relationships between communities have to be two way. t cant be girls from one community and onlymen from the other. THIS IS WHAT BREEDS ISLAMOPHOBIA and proves to the world that it is a battle of the womb in the end.

    I am just giving an extract from the Daily mail, an year back just to shoW THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS GETTING AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM OF NON MUSLM GIRLS BEING TARGETTED BY SOME MUSLIM MEN….

    So Pathank G and Ravi DONT spread Islamophobia.

    While Muslim sexual predators have been jailed, it is white Britain’s hypocritical values that are to blame
    By Melanie Phillips
    UPDATED: 09:54 GMT, 10 January 2011
    Comments (143) Share
    Not for the first time, Jack Straw has ignited a firestorm of controversy by expressing serious concerns about behaviour within the British Muslim community.

    Mr Straw, whose Blackburn constituency is heavily populated by Muslims, spoke out after two British men of Pakistani descent were jailed last week for a series of rapes and sexual assaults on vulnerable young girls, whom they also groomed for sex with other gangs members or their relatives.

    This was far from a one-off case. Police operations going back to 1996 have revealed a disturbingly similar pattern of collective abuse involving small groups of Muslim men committing a particular type of sexual crime.
    Controversial: Blackburn MP Jack Straw said some British Pakistani men regarded white women as an easy target
    This has typically involved abducting, raping or otherwise sexually attacking hundreds of mainly white girls aged 11 to 16, as well as enslaving them through alcohol and drugs and grooming them for sex.

    Mr Straw said the reason was that some British Pakistani men regarded emotionally ‘vulnerable’ white girls as ‘easy meat’ whom they trapped through plying them with gifts and drugs.

    THIS WAS IN THE NEWS ONE YEAR BACK !! WHEN IT WAS POINTED OUT THAT STUDIES HAD SHOWN THAT RELIGIOUS TARGETTING WAS ON FROM 1996 !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There was a case here two years ago when Somali Muslim immigrants were arrested for interstate trafficking of teen age girls for prostitution. They were also pursuing this for terrorism connection – ie raising money for funding terrorist activities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is interesting and pointer on how terror funding is now eveloving into sex. We had recently seen a case of AlQueeda using porn to transmit its message.

    I think the whole thing smacks of a hatred of people not in your religion. Unfortunately some Muslims have taken a cue on this in this “clash of civilizations.”

    How the knot can be untied is a huge perplexing matter. The rights of children in these days of broken families go for a toss when revenge is taken on massacring them sexually. We adults should identify the problem and seek to correct it rather than try to be politically correct.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    Whatever Ravi says, there is a Muslim angle to this – it is always Pakistani men arrested for these in UK, although there are many other immigrants from other countries.

    Child abuse here is pretty bad – mostly sexual, unlike in India where it is mostly putting them to hard work. There is sexual abuse there in India too, but statistically it may be 5% of the abuses where as here in US it is 99%.

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy, what ever you say has a Hindu Fundo angle to it

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathetic. Lose a battle… start shouting Hindu fundo !! Standard leT phrases…

    Ravi Reply:

    Just as Muslim this and Muslim that is a standard RSS (LeT equivalent in India) phrase.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    This is absolutely shocking news.

    The fact files are terrifying, and Pathakji should give up his smugness and stop saying ‘you haven’t seen the underbelly of Delhi’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think pathakG will not comment but get in sme statemnt to defend Sonia G !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You think more is better or truthful.

    You write some **** and dance like a 11 year old kid. You are writing about some incident in Britain and then making a grand statement PathaG will not comment to defend SoniaG.

    Your grand Engineering and IIT MTEch intelligence is on display.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank u!! It is always nice to feel 20 yrs younger. As I now move on to play tennis … I would still ask yoou,

    a) Do you have the guts to say that since you beleive that it is all right for Muslim men to have sex with hindu, Sikh and Christian men in the interest of secularism it is also okay for Hindu , Sikh and Christian men to have sex with Muslim girls and Muslim community should encourage it.

    Bol do PathakG. Mat Darro. keh do yaar…

    b) That it is time to move beyond worship of families like naukers and domestic servants.

    keh do yaar Pathak. India has to join UK, US, France and not be another Pakistan or North Korea.

    Pathak if you are intelligent you will have the strenght. No point in being a weak-ling !!.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe you were told not to “repeat” anything unnecessarily.

    Either you don’t read replies properly or you have very poor comprehension power.

    ===============================
    When Muslim boys have sex with hindu girls, they do not take permission of the hindu community or seek acceptance.

    Similarly, if you want to have sex with any muslim girl, just go ahead and have it. Don’t look for muslim community’s approval. Don’t say “muslims should allow….”

    ===============================

    Only a weak-ling looks for other’s approval, which you are trying for so many days on this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you are absolutely wrong in this one. And shockingly so for an editor of the leading newspaper.

    Muslim boys are deliberately, purposefully are encouraged to ensnare, entice and somehow grab Hindu girls and have sex with them. THIS IS CALLED LOVE JIHAD, if you didn’t know it.

    The same love jihadists would even kill their girls’ Hindu lovers, if any Hindu boys dare to trap the Muslim girls.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When are you starting “LOVE DHARMYUDH” ?

  • Anonymous

    Delhi seems to have all social problems in abundance. Be it female infanticide (manohar/gopi stats/maps), child sexual abuse, rape….

    I am not aware of any organized seasonal cultural festivals in Delhi compared to the music festival in Chennai, dance festival in Banaglore, Surya festival in Trivandrum, Shanmugha Hall/Banganga/Sangat/Girgaum concerts in Mumbai, Rabindra festival in Kolkotta etc. Does the absence of an active cultural forum create an environment of only money and sex?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    binoy-

    There may be a linkage.

    UN did a study on the Middle East backwardness a few years ago – one reason of backwardness they attributed to was the relatively small number of books published in the Arabic language/Arab rergion, lack of reading etc.

    Hopefully somebody will do a research on “Regional Variations in Sex and Sex crimes in India”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    literature has taken the rough edges out of man -VOLTAIRE

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  • Anonymous

    Fake Ravi,
    here is the proof you asked for:

    Shan:LETS SEE HOW RAVI BRINGS IN RSS AND MODI KI SAAZISH TO EXPLAIN THIS:
    They and three other men used a one-time victim to recruit other girls so they could be driven to “chill” houses around the north of England for sordid sex. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/…/I think the GORAS have got it wrong. It is not a simple case of “paedophiles/perverts”. My personal opinion is they are playing out a mini 9/11, a la JIHAD , for abusing WHITE GIRLS will land them in Zannat , and quoran sanctions taking KUFFERS as slaves23:5-6 And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts); Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame

    Some of the teenagers had sex willingly, but others were raped by up to five men at a time.

    The paedophiles who paid small sums of money for the frequently violent encounters were predominantly British Pakistanis.

    Of the 11 defendants on trial at Liverpool Crown Court, 10 were Pakistani and the other an Afghan asylum seeker.

    Shan:@ravi , This is what you wrote about the news that I have posted
    “perpetrators come from all strata and all communities in ”
    NO PERPETRATORS ARE ALL PAKISTANI FULL STOP.
    As I said this is JIHAD in Rotheram

    Binoy Hegde:

    Dr Shan

    Ravi is Fox News Anchor/reporter”fair and balanced”…

    9 Paksitanis rape or whatever in England…

    (well perpetrators are everywhere)

    Muslim underwear bomber tries to blow up 747

    (well Saffron gang tried to blow up a train)

    Taliban does not allow girls to attend school

    (well, there was Devdasi system in India too)

    Ravi is appointed as the Professor Emirutus at the Murdoch School of journalism and media…

    Gopi:

    No, Dr Shantanu is objecting to a report where Ravi covered this news -”there is no class or country distinctions between these perpetrators” (something to this meaning).

    (I can quote more to the same effect from more bloggers, but later).

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    Ravi Reply:

    Which of these are words that I posted. These are Shan’s and Binoy’s words. Not my words.

    Post here as proof what I said and not what other people thought I said.

    YOU ARE A LIAR

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I told you just ignore him. You can argue with a grown-up intelligent person, not with him – a pathological sick mind. As I said, none from his side will come to your rescue, they are what we in Punjabi call ‘tamaashbeens’ or they lack the guts. It is all implicit, blah, blah, blah, plus one needs sense to understand what is being conveyed., which is not so common after all among them.

    He is not here to engage in debates – his ambition is to character assassinate those who do not agree with his diseased mind.

    He and his saathidars are not worth the trouble. His place is in the street side trash bins. That is how I treat him and his two other side-kicks. Period.

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    Ravi Reply:

    For the second time as my first reply to you disappeared.

    You are absolutely right. Vijay has just proven you right.

    There I will from this moment onwards ignore him.

    Mein unoon dafa karna haan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My bad – it started with my response today afternoon. Shoulda ignored it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi & Mahesh

    Do not become the fodder for his dirty tricks department. All he will get are waah, waahs from the clapper boys Let them revel in their juvenile pastime.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Everytime you decide this, you disappear for a couple of days; and then come back to the blog and get hit badly, as in your defence of white child abusers of Pakistani Muslim origin.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And Ravi is not?

    Ravi Reply:

    Why don’t you tell.

    DO You think I am a Liar?

    Yes and No (no lecture)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You should not have taken the trouble of confirming what I have said.

    Now that you are here, we can wait and see how many more come along.

    Ravi Reply:

    Here is the full context of the Very Original Post that started the debate

    4 days ago
    Manohar_T posted: Raped & thrown into well, 8-yr-old climbs out to tell her tale http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Raped-thrown-into-wel...

    4 days ago
    Ravi posted: Nine face sentencing for grooming Nine men are being sentenced for their part in a child sex exploitation ring which plied v…

    4 days ago
    mohanrr posted: Ravi, Most of us are actually animals in a disguise of human beings.

    4 days ago
    Ravi posted: I have no disguise as you know…at least two people here think I am a Fake.

    4 days ago
    Gopi_Thomas posted: Ravi These were 9 men of Paksiatni origin.. (the reporter, being “politically correct’ used the word “all men were Asians” …

    4 days ago
    Ravi posted: Gopi Absolutely true that 8 of these 9 people are from Pakistani families and one is from Afghanistan. The coverage of the …

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  • Anonymous

    @ Benoy

    You are right that child sexual abuse in India would be rather low as comapred to say other countries.

    Since I work on construction sites and also emply village labour– I have a fair idea on t he amount of severe punishment they give in case they see anybody indulging in it.

    yes children may be abused through early employment, but maybe not so much through sexual abuse.

    Frankly let me toss up an idea which probably would need a deeper study. A psychologist who had worked on child sexual abuse in Germany once told me that ti was basically becasue of

    a) vulnerability. As Children are easy meat and and easy to pick on.

    b) Boredom: becasue too many people are exposed to sex right from age 11. By the time they are 30, they have just done everything, every position, every possible combination, that they hunt for children.

    But whatver the reason… it needs strict laws for punishment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    I do not think (b) is true. Majority of people who do (b) in the west are quite sick.

    There is an additional cause in India – since the outlet/availability for sex is scarce in India, more men must be going after these easy targets.

    I mentioned elsewhere about how the child abuse prisoners are treated in jails here – 90% of them get murdered in prison because other prisoners consider these guys heinous, worst scum, unfit to be in their group!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Benoy

    May be wrong. That is what the psychologist told me. Most people wont do it. But certain people with a tendency for it get tempted on this for fresh excitement. Her words not mine…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You are right. This needs deeper study and understanding.

    People who indulge in child sexual abuses are basically of two types :

    1) Who do not have access to sexual partners

    2) People who are bad in sex, who can’t perform as per the demand of the sex partner.

    Since a child can’t resist or demand, the abuser finds it easy with children.

    It has nothing to do with boredom. Send that psychiatrist back to school.

    [ Your understanding of child sexual abuse in labour class / villagers is very poor. Do some survey in Rohtak. ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont know about Rohtak . But certainly know about a labour colony in Noida. One mason was caught harassing the daughter (around 8 yr) of another. he was literally lynched by the entire workers– around 50 of them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the psychologist I was talking to had worked on child internet porn and had been pretty surprised to find “normal” people who had good healthy sexual lives hunting for fresher pastures. It may not be the full story. It is certainly part of the story.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s everywhere. Child abuses are rampant in all kind of families.
    ========================================
    The reason many people became Y in life instead of having all the qualities of being X, was because of the early childhood sexual abuses by “Close relatives” or neighbours.
    ===========================================

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    Interestingly Amir Khan’s episode on child abuse hardly approached the topic in realms of child labour.
    Did I miss it during the couple of minutes that got missed ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    you did miss out on the central issue of the episode: SEXUAL abuse of children.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was referring to topic in the realms of child labour (a vulnerable group).

    Ravi Reply:

    He did not understand you, feeling ashamed he accused you of not understabding the programme

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am yet to see the programme.

    Ravi Reply:

    Expert opinion says that child abuse is not restricted to any class/religion/region/country. It is found in every society and every strata within it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Adding the third type to the above assertion, which is relatively infrequent.

    3) People who are excessively sexual.

    These types do not really bother about who is there. They are ready to have sex with anybody, anywhere. Be it 6 years old or 60. They don’t mind having sex or overtly sexual act with a slightest pretext.

    I categories these type who would f..k a hole on a wall too. You can not even call these types as Bi-sexual. They are rather omni-sexual.

    These types mostly attract children by displaying their sexual power to young children deliberately. Sometimes even their own children can not escape the sexual abuses.

    Take one example :

    A 40 year old man has sex with his wife 2-3 times a day. He would come out of the bed room with a big smile and winning a trophy kinda look. The act is obvious. The grown up 12-13 year old daughter observes and feels shy and scandalised. The father would make sure that he just visits her room after the act. He would just come in , move around and walk out even without saying anything.The daughter would not raise her head from the table, but could feel his intimiditating presence. Slowly he deliberately leaves the bedroom window open and uses dirty language with wife during the act. He knows this would attract the daughter’s attention. Few days after he knew when the daughter started peeping in. The next advance was…….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    There are many sick people around in all countries
    and in all communities.

  • Anonymous

    Binoy,
    Here is the JP Morgan link :
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/business/jpmorgan-shooting-itself-in-the-foot-fair-game.html?_r=1&ref=business

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh/Binoy,

    I am curious to know your views on this. Are you with Jamie Dimon who
    is against transparency in derivatives, does not want tight regulations
    and wants to continue with the proprietary trading or you are with
    former chairman of Federal Reserve Paul Volcker, who wants tighter controls,
    transparency in derivatives and cut down on proprietary trading?

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  • Anonymous

    A rejoinder to Shankar’s Cartoon.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/cartoons/1688215

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    A very good and apt cartoon.

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  • Anonymous

    Joining in the child abuse debate before the title race decider kicks in.
    In UK the more PERVASIVE is the CHILD PORN visits in the internet.
    I KNOW TWO WHITE CONSULTANTS PERSONALLY , CAUGHT STACKING CHILD PORN IMAGES IN THEIR COMPUTER.
    One was a Radiologist , and he used to have the photos of his children on his desk , the other was BOW TIE wearing , speaking with a PRIVATE SCHOOL(in UK private school is a class thing) accent.
    My own experience is with a patient is one on whom I had operated.He had stuck a ONE FEET long 3 inch wide woodden rod up his arse.He told me “I do it for sexual pleasure”. This guy was a Van Driver , about 45yrs , with boad square specs , unmarried lived with his mother.
    Recently a case was presented , where a guy had applied a RUBBER BAND across the root of his scrotum, and left it for a week so that his CROTCH falls off. aND IT DID , along with sloughing off the entire scrotal skin.He was a married man with two young kids and INCREDIBLY passed as NORMAL with no psychiatric abnormalities by the Psychiatrists

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Deviants come in all forms !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Has there been any research into genetical structure vis a vis extremely deviant behaviour — anecdotal observations indicate that the white race indulges in real deviant sexual abuse of children although individual cases of abuse is worldwide.

    The recent revelation of this Belgian father having sex with his daughters (2 or 3 of them) and keeping the mothers and children in the house basement – the old Wayne Gacy case in US where he sexually abused 20 or so boys and killed and buried them in his court yard – the Jeffry Dahmer case where the guy will have sex with boys and then dismember them and carry their body parts in brief case..and keep in refrigerator to eat later…so many examples like that..Similar cases in UK too… which make me think whether the white race has some different genetic code….

    Will appreciate you throwing light on the “significant” deviant behaviour (granting that abuse happens every where)

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  • Anonymous

    I mentioned the following elsewhere as a part of my reply about child abuses.

    It’s everywhere. Child abuses are rampant in all kind of families.
    ========================================
    The reason many people became Y in life instead of having all the qualities of being X, was because of the early childhood sexual abuses by “Close relatives” or neighbours.
    ===========================================

    The bloggers here are quite mature , mostly working professionals.
    The above statement that I made is very valid and core to the diagnosis of people’s inadequate or optimal performance ( not sexual, thought it’s true even here ) in education , job or in general life. When the talent and performance mismatch is analysed, mostly a glimpse of child sexual abuse is seen.

    If you look around, you will see many such people who appear to be normal, but never achieved that optimal performance. They are found in your office, clubs, friend circles and even in your own families.

    More than the man, it’s the mother who needs to be sensitised about this issue. Mostly mothers avoid or do not take it seriously. Also for the reason, that it would create fissure in family and tend to sweep under the carpet. Sometimes, they do not even tell their husbands and make special effort to hide these incidents.

    More I think of the issue, heavier my heart is becoming. Many confessions are coming to mind. I can’t reproduce all of them for people making mock of such incidents. We hardly have ADULT-ADULT discussion here. It’s always either Parent-Child or Child-Child kind of superfluous discussions.

    But this issue needs close attention. Each one of us can make some contribution in a small way by taking care of children around us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) “We hardly have ADULT-ADULT discussion here. It’s always either Parent-Child or Child-Child kind of superfluous discussions”.

    You hit the nail on the head.

    2) I have not watched Amir Khan’s programmes,nor I have any intention of doing so, as I my TV viewing is restricted to at most 1 hour a day during I watch some news and thats about it, so will not comment on it.

    3) Child abuse is a deviant form of behaviour. However, the efforts should be to see that such behaviour is eliminated. Will we succeed? I doubt very much. Cases are known, when it comes out in the open, otherwise who knows what goes on within the four walls of a home.

    One of the most extreme case reported last year or so was the Austrian man, who had locked up his daughters in the basement and was sexually abusing them for years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That was an extreme case.
    We need to be careful of so called loving uncles who love to pat children on their laps for extended hours and too often.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Saas bhi kabhi bahu thi ? ( I am not joking ).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    hmm..Please be elaborate. We can’t afford to be shy and oblique while discussing such sensitive issues. We must be candid and forthright.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    A daughter in law abused/beaten/starved by her mother in
    law will try same on her daughter in law when she becomes
    mother in law.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There are two kind of situations.
    1) People who successfully broke away from this situation would be kind and protective.
    2) People who lived through the experience without protest may exploit when their time comes.

  • Anonymous

    Catholic clergy have been one of the worst child sex abusers (of boys) worldwide..

    Their way of handling this, until recently, was to transfer the priest to another diocese where he can repeat the “sins”.

    Now with the law suits all over the world, the church higher ups have finally started reporting to the local law and order authorities.

    Just yesterday Vatican ordered investigation about seven priests in the Legion of Christ.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I believe main reason for this is because of forced celibacy and young
    children become ease target for them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a factor. But I believe some predators join the priesthood just to exploit the young boys (because they are easily available as choir boys, and in the old days nobody dared to take them on)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    That is even more sad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    May be you have overreached in making the assumption.

    There is nothing to prevent them from not joining the clergy and yet indulge in what is considered as a deviant behaviour.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No. There are both types.

    1) “natural” (?) clergy folks involving in this
    2) deviants who deliberately choose priesthood to indulge in this.

    The investigation into the worldwide widespread behaviour did identify both these.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did the second types admit it so during the investigations?

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan you are very right.

    I once met a priest– I am not going to name the religion to keep this controversy free– who was then strong enough to leave the order. He told us guys that they were asked to whip their penis, everytime it rose up and shone :) And he was being truthfull !

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  • Anonymous

    BREAKING NEWS. BREAKING NEWS
    ======++++++++++++++========++++++++++

    Army chief’s top secret letter to Pm about India’s under-preparedness for war was leaked to the media by a Joint Secretary in the Cabinet Secretariat functioning directly under the Prime Minister!

    The congress party and all the servants of the family including Sir Pathak G ji, were accusing the army chief for the leak.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe this whole army/military hoopla in the last few months has done immense damage to the military, to our jawans, to our officer corps.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I agree with you. Our jawans do not deserve this. They live in extreme
    condition while making sure that our borders are safe from our
    enemies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A strong government with a dynamic capable inspiring PM is needed. I hope BJP will get their house in order, and Modi will become the PM>

    These uncertain times -erosion of everything- need a man of Modi’s strengths.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    BJP getting their house in order and Rahul Gandhi
    maturing, both not impossible but very difficult.

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan u said it !! I sometimes take a morning walk at Delhi’s lodhi gardens. Most of the future PM’s of India– Rahul G , RAAbertG from the Congress, some senior people from the BJP and Sita Ram yechiry from the CPM can be seen once a while…

    And I wonder, whether they are really getting their own houses in order or preparing to set India in order…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I accused army chief of leaking? Are you out of your mind? Or, your devil mind has started working overtime?

    I had issues with V K Singh writing a letter to PM directly that too towards end of his term, rather than at the beginning of the term.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank God, he did not accuse you of leaking the letter. With a pathologically sick mind like him, anything is possible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    I have been watching your comments for sometime now. it is all very nice to be abusive of others. Dont tempt me to pick up my pen…:)

    You always take shelter in old age when I have answered back. Either you are blogger… then be ready to get the jibes back. Or be a senior citizen.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please pick up your pen. Who is afraid of you? What do you think of yourself? Go ahead and revel. Your ‘guru’ must be waiting desperately for ‘moral’ support.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You think your one sided comments get you victory? :) :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now, have I to explain a simple fact? In your case, yes.

    if no one comes forward to take up the challenge, naturally it is a victory (the other side just not having the nerve and scoots). I had said – Go ahead and revel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ill leave you for the time being… Crack all the jibes at me.. does;nt bother me. Question my thinking and make fun of it… makes me smile.

    Of Course remember that on this very blog you will be questioning your own nauker like mindset… I will surely change you to the better. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Leave me! Only cowards do that.

    Jo Darr gayaa, woh ……..

    - Gabbar Singh.

    2) Change me for the better! Oh! yeah, I have heard that sort of **** many times before from you.

    pataa nahi.n apne aap ko kyaa samajh taa hai yaa koi dimaagi bimaari to nahi.n? baDaa aayaa duniyaa ko sudhaarne.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you

    Getting agitated and questioning your mentor is the first step of change.

    My first question. Are you going to spend your rest of life in a state of naukercy… without EVER being free?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No Pathak you are not being honest here.

    You somehow held the Gen responsible for many many ills in the society of India… in a typical Congress style. everything from RahulG’s gaffe’s to Digivansh ji’s haemorrhoids was a right wing BJP=ANNA-Ramdev conspiracy.

    now it is getting increasingly clear that there is a gang of kickback takers in the bureaucracy and Congress government who were ginning for the general. I am sure you have some sympathy for them.

    Rajiv Gandhi- Ottavio quotrochchi – Sonia G were all part of the nexus which stole money from the poor farmiers, workers and toilers of India. Super Dhalas and traitors to India put spin on their chori.

    I think you are trying to hide the commision takers, chors, dalals, of today.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You wrote a 500 word essay on me not being honest about rebuttal to Shenoy’s posting. But not a word about the topic.

    Why is that you are started demonstrating this dumb headed approach too often recently? The donkeys have left their marks on you?

    You think people don’t read your post or people don’t understand or you expect that they would read your the first line and then assume the rest big paragraph must be talking about the subject!

    Perhaps you need to be pointed out a little more explicitly for your and general public understanding.

    Your presence in the company of donkeys have raised your thought level a notch above.

    BTW, take your own writings in last few months and show to your psychiatrist friends and ask them to create a report. Of course you don’t tell them that these are jewels from their esteemed friend.Get a report and read at leisure. It will do you good.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks brother. The Company of Donkeys has suddenly helped me understand human beings better. And let me expand this a little further.

    Patanjali developed and founded Yoga by observing animals. Many asanas are named after animals.

    Charles Darwin, probably among ten biggest scientists ever developed his theory of origin and evolution of species watching animals and was thus the biggest challenge to religion and superstition.

    Desmond Morris and Bart Hanstra studied animal behaviour and helped in a huge hige way on the understanding of human behaviour.

    My week with Donkeys… will also go out in the history of science one day !! :)

    Brother… see your stance and be courageous and honest.

    a) Ottavio Qoutochichi could have only earned money becasue Rajiv and SOnia wanted him to. Instead of blaming the Gandys and Mr Q you will always blame Vajpayee for being kind to a widow and thus indirectly responsbile for gross chori by the COngress.

    B) In VK SIngh’s case you had made all sort of allegations against Singh for being “weak” and even supported the Express story of the Coup. Now facts are turning out that THERE IS INDEED A HUGE KICKBACK PROBLEM WHICH THE CONGRESS WAS HIDING. And the officers and politicians who were demonising VK Singh are the kickback takers.

    But you will still hammer VK Singh and be scared to ask for punishment, probe, and arrest of the kickback takers, letter leakers etc..

    Be Honest and I will be the first to support you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me respond you the last one first.

    1) I do not need your support. Because you are not the type person I can go to war with. You are too noisy and reckless.

    2) We have discussed V K Singh case in details. Please refer back for all your posers and my replies. I do not have patience to repeat.

    Guys who stammer tend to repeat. I don’t have stammering problem. Perhaps you have. Before you try sort others’ stammering problem, sort yours first.

    3) As I said before you have a long way to go. You will keep discovering new things as you move on. All the best.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank for the good wishes…

  • Anonymous

    Mohan, Mahesh-

    Mohan, you raised an interesting question about transparency, regulation etc of the US financial especially derivatives market in light of the JPMorgan trading loss.

    Dimon has been in the forefront against any regulation advocating his bank follows the tight internal “self” regulation as the market place dictates. This fiasco will strengthen the pro regulation people/politicians.

    I am all for Volcker Rule. The banks under FDIC deposit protection should not be allowed to do proprietary trading deploying their own funds.

    In fact, I would go one step further – that all derivative trading should be banned by any exchange listed financial services company. The meltdown was partially caused by the seemingly endless positions that nobody had any clue – to see all the exposure in one place. Most importantly, derivatives and derivative trading do not create economic wealth in terms of more production, more employment, societal value enhancement etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    I am not advocating there should not be tighter regulations and no transparency. I am just thinking of the implications these rules will have
    if adopted in full. There will be massive scale down in the operations of the banks around the world. More than 80% of the trading in foreign exchange,
    bonds, derivatives and similar products consists of proprietary trading.
    Not only banks and investment houses are involved in this
    but many other big MNCs also have their in house trading rooms who
    do their own proprietary trading. Example is Shell, they have huge trading rooms at their UK and US offices. The amount daily traded in these proprietary trading would be in
    Trillions of Dollars.If this is stopped or controlled, liquidity will dry up in these
    markets and spread between bid and offer will greatly increase. Today if
    I am able to buy EURO at Rs. 70 than perhaps I will have to pay Rs 75 or maybe Rs. 80 for the same. Millions will also lose jobs in financial sector.
    Banks and governments should meet somewhere in middle where customer’s
    money will be safe and banks also are allowed to do these types of trading without
    taking huge risks. Easier said than done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan & Benoy

    Whatever level of control is put in place, there will always be problems and someone will find loopholes to beat the system. How does one find the optimum level of control? By trial and error. It will always be work-in-progress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,
    Am doubtful if anything meaningful will come through this.
    Also, from the anecdotes gleaned – my sense is the public focus may have mostly shifted away from Regulations. There was excellent window of opportunity for administration during early crisis period. They squandered it away (or probably ensured that it was squandered away).
    As for derivatives markets – it could indeed be a mixed bag. I tend to agree with Mohan (below) on currency positions in futures markets providing a degree of protection against currency fluctuations.

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  • Anonymous

    Feeling gutted – having lost the Barclay’s Premier League title to Manchester City.

    Neverthless, we gave them the challenge till the last day of the season – in fact it went all the way into the injury time. The look on the faces of City fans and their coach told the story. Must have been a wonderful day of fotball for the neutrals.

    United fan forever!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dont worry ishwar… have a beer form myside !!

    Feel sorry for me too… I lost my tennis game and despite all the sweat… am back on the net …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Vijay,
    Couldn’t sleep the whole night. Would join the blog back after 2 o’clock and take out my khundak on someone acting too smart here in choicest of words.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Here UAE is rejoicing because Manchester City is owned
    by the Royal family of Abu Dhabi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No wonder – these moneybags have changed the hierarchy of football teams in the Premier League by buying the best available on sale anywhere in the world. They didn’t build a team, they bought it with a nearly pitless bag of money.

    We would come back stronger next season. In Sir Alex, we trust. He has done it in the past and would do it again before he retires. He would like to retire after having shown the Man City their proper place in the table.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So NOISY NEIGHBORS have done you in. So the season ended WITH ZILCH, THREE EX ARSENAL STARS SONE.Samir Nasri , Gael Clichy for Manchester City , TRARORE’ and his cross for QPR made it 2-1 for QPR.
    Players leaving Man U end up in sunderland , players leaving Arsenal end up in barcelona and Man City , the champions.
    Next year with GERMAN lucas podolski Arsenal will give as good it will get

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I can’t disagree with you Dr. Shan. However, your team hasn’t got a rack of silverware to show for their efforts and skills either, do they?

    As far as our player ending up at Sunderland etc, do I need to remind you of a certain Christiano Ronaldo – sold to Real Madrid for £80 million 3 years back – a world record signing. Have you got a match? And, that’s not all of the story. We sell our players when we think they can’t add value to the team, your players ask to be released. Do you need examples?

    For every Podolski joining you, there would be a van Persie looking to leave the club.

    Good luck for the next season!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am no football person. Is there any particular reason(s) as to why you support Man United? Just curious.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I only follow the English Premier League. I was lured into watching football by one of my colleagues at work, he is a Manchester United fan and has been following them for many years. He kept telling me about their players, reserves, stadium, the coach and their history etc. I somehow started to appreciate these and eventually got sucked into it.

    And you know what, watching football (or for that matter any other game) is not fun unless you have your favourite. Watching it as a neutral can’t bring out the same level of excitement in you.

    Ending up on the losing side is a horrible feeling.

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  • Pankaj#1

    PathakG;
    I had suggested to you that I would not like to engage in this casual sex controversy, but it seems that this blog has not had enough of it.
    You laso said that I do not know Delhi and when I left Delhi. I can not match your resources but let us now engage in this debate thread bare, though there are enough other more important topics. So please let me know, what is your observation in the scenario you descrubed, not a big post, just two or three lines. it becomes easier to focus on the topic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have read my viewpoints. You are welcome to give yours.

    We can start from there.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    OK;
    I am not commited enough to go back so many days and search for your comments. Let us abort this debate right here.

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  • Anonymous

    A slice of history – must read.

    60 years ago, in Parliament

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/60-years-ago-in-parliament/948623/0

    Excerpts

    Not much transpired on May 13, 1952, the first day of the first session of the first Parliament of India. Both the Lok Sabha and the Rajya Sabha met at quarter to eleven in the morning. Both the Houses observed silence for two minutes before beginning the proceedings. In the Lok Sabha, G V Mavalankar was named the interim Speaker and President Rajendra Prasad advised all the newly-elected members to take the oath or make the affirmation before him. Before beginning the process, Mavalankar made a disclaimer that all the names would be pronounced correctly, as far as possible. “…still if there be any mistake, I trust the honourable members concerned will generally excuse the same.”

    —————

    Between the first day and the last day of the first Parliament, the Lok Sabha held 14 sessions and the Rajya Sabha 15 sessions. During this period, Parliament accomplished many a goal, the foremost among them being the passage of a number of Acts necessary to kick-start diverse functions in the new democracy. The first Parliament passed 322 Acts for sectors as diverse as banking, currency, insurance, commerce and industry, defence, education, fiscal and finance, health, legal and several others. It also passed six Constitutional Amendments in the first year before its termination on December 22, 1956.

    ————

    * Academically speaking

    A majority of the members of the first Lok Sabha were graduates. A large number, at least 75, were law graduates with a significant number among them being post graduates in law. At least 35 members held masters in arts or science. More than 15 were educated abroad. Some prominent names among them were B R Ambedkar (Columbia University, the US and the London School of Economics), Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru (Harrow School, Trinity College, Cambridge), Major General Himatsinhji (Malvern College, Oxford), Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel (Middle Temple, England), Hriday Nath Kunzru (London School of Economics), H G Mudgal (New York College).

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    It is not enough to be neutral, you should also appear neutral, which sadly is not the case with you. Despite, a very clear slant displayed by manohar, he appears more neutral than you and couple of more people. I can join the debate on this.

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  • Pankaj#1

    pathak G
    Yes, in a few old posts, I had requested sanjay, not to lower the respect for Army, that would have disastrous effects. Jawans beat the officer?? unheard of EVER. Now this reflect the rot, which has now been set in the bloody nation hood, and who is responsible for this??? Government, in no uncertain terms. Both officers and Jawan’s quality has deteriorated. In crunch time, the respect and bondship only survive any doubt on this will create mayhem.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Actually the last three years in this country have been very bad. There has been a gross indiscipline in the UPA ever since SoniaG tried to smuggle in an inadequate son as the PM. It immediately sent a message that Manmohan Singh was to be made to look small so that eventually Congressmen would clamour for Rahul and desh ki janta would accept him and Rahul’s mentor Digvinash Singh . The battered tattered, indisciplined Congress is sending a wrong message all over the country.

    Furthermore there has been huge gross corruption. When the actual chori was 2000 crores in the CWG, the famous Congressi son, Mani Aiyar shouted that 70000 crores has been looted… and when the actual theft by Congressi was 5000 crores in 2g the whole world beleives that this government only loots and steals. Its defendents on TV are screamers who dont look convinceing but sell lies that Congress is pure.

    In truth all these defenders are looking for some material and monetry benefit from Sonia and Rahul G.

    The army jawan is seeing all this. On this blog I had written many a time that please remember the man fighting for the country and willing to give his life… before you protect the corrupt. Please remember we are a democracy… wheere all– NOT JUST ONE FAMILY’S SON is important.

    I thinkwe should get in a set of leaders who are above family rule and are honest to principles.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    The post is always more important than the person occupying it. The regard for the post is always there and will be there.

    Sometimes, a person, how good he may be, lowers the status of the office by his reckless conduct. That person must be condemned in no uncertain terms.

    People who stood by V K Singh initially and argued in his favour also started feeling uneasy after few incidents. NDA would have sacked him unceremoniously like the earlier case. The UPA Govt. did not do so. They perhaps thought things will get sorted out through court. I strongly feel that was wrong on their part. Like somebody said V K Singh should have been sent on a forced leave.

    The reckless conduct of V K Singh has destroyed the aura around India’s COAS. Now the post looks so ordinary.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Right comments PathakG. Brijesh Mishra gave the suggestion of forced leave, he may be right. The only doubt, which comes to mind is this General had come at the top after clearing so many tests of leadership and accountability. Throughout his career, he got promotions. What happend, in last few years, was the atmosphere so toxic, that this guy could not fiunction in it> records of UPA-2 are there for evey one to see. Whom one should trust more??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Like the whole aircraft falls apart because of a small missing bolt, great guys fall apart on the D day. It has happened in sports too. Nothing surprising.

    You don’t have to trust or distrust UPA.

    It was between the army and V K Singh. The case has all been well explained. The stink of DOB issue spread everywhere.

    Other things are just side shows. They have been explained many times. Let’s not repeat them.

  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Indian express- A slide show, displaying School Children, in Front of Tiranga, and boldly written, Maa tujhe Pranam.
    Look like RSS inspired. Any comments??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is no more maa tujhe salaam ?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Well;
    For each one, his/her choice.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    In UK, there are complaints by Hindu, Sikh and now Christians, community leaders that their girls are being targeted by Muslim Youths. No muslim community leader has complained that their girls are being targeted by people of other faiths or unemployable muslim youths? What does this convey??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    That is what I have been saying. In fact in the interest of REMOVING Islamophobia, Ravi and Pathak G should work for Muslim women also interacting with Sikhs, Christians and hindus as Muslim men interact with women of other religion.

    Instead i did get some sort of story that Muslim men are special and have some sort of mythological sexual powers which makes girls of other relgions fly for them.

    This sort of nonsense is time and again peddled on Pakistani websites. This is what leads to tensions between communities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why do you need PathakG? Can’t you handle muslim girls on your own?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Since you talked about the mythological sexual pwers of Muslim men and sort of implied that it makes them eligible for some sort of special sexual rights…

    Anonymous Reply:

    You want to borrow the power from them?

    You know about the air-refuelling process. Go dock.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have Vijay power… and Vijay power has served me well enough…

    Anonymous Reply:

    When are you joining the LOVE DHARMYUDTH ? Shenoy is about to start coming Friday. Use your Vijay power.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Relationships are about emotions, chimes of laughter and shared fun for me. Sex as a tool for show offing and lust… is passe as as far as I am concerned…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I told you before.

    You can only make noises. When the time comes to act, you will always prove to be a weakling.

    I understood you right.

    Now you know the reason why I would never go to a war with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for telling me again I am a weakling!! yes I am a weakling for my princples…

    And of course in my eyes a person who would be servile to family rule and dynastic sycophancy is a big big weakling :)

    As for sex.. why should I boast on a public website. Only weaklings boast about their mythological prowress…. !

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are learning fast about your inadquecies.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    In fact, a very handsome Hindu friend of mine had relationship with a muslim girl. Brother of that muslim girl was also my friend. We knew about this relationship, not the brother, but kept mum, as this is between two consenting adults. But in my heart, I never condoned this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok! Relationshopas are really a persoanle matter between consenting adults. It should never take the form of infliciting revenge on one community through sex.

  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Just a small anecdote from Dubai/ Saudi Arabia, where a pakistani journalist described a time pass- Rummy card game with money. The Indian oldish gentleman, who was friend of jouranilst was also invited. He came in a simple casual dress and joined 3-4 other boisterous pakistanis. Indian gentleman suggested that it should be a riyal for a point, while pakistanis suggested, na, insisted 10 Riyals a point. At the end of game-who won, do not know, but when Indian gentleman left the house, Pakistanis started making fun of the Indian guy. Jouranlist told them, that you do not know him, he is able to purchase all the pakistani companies listed on Karachi Stock Exchange, him losing few thousand Riyals would not have mattered to him a bit, but he could have cleaned you for sure, he was here for my sake and not making money. People can draw their own conclusion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan was the Indian gentleman… You? :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not that rich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon… I not from the tax department. Besides NRI’s dont pay tax here… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I am a tax paying NRI. By the way I will repeat what I had told Shenoy other day.
    It is very difficult to decide how much money makes one rich.
    If some people have 25 Lakhs they think they are very rich and for some people
    25 crores is not a big amount.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the reliance brothers forget that thye have 50,000 crore each. They keep fighting…. !

  • Anonymous

    One hundred years of the Punjab Mail

    ——————

    The Punjab Mail is an Indian Railways express train which runs between Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus (VT) and Firozpur (Punjab).

    Punjab Mail, earlier known as “Punjab Limited” is the first train to achieve distinction of entering its 100th year on Indian Railways broad gauge network.

    The Central Railway has calculated its “birth date” based on an old document (a cost estimate paper of 1911).

    The inaugural run of the Punjab Mail is thought to have taken place on 1 June 1912. Then known as The Punjab Limited, the train initially ran from Ballard Pier to Peshawar, taking British officers, civil servants, and their families directly from their ships to Delhi and the North-West frontier of British India. In 1914, the originating station was moved to Victoria Terminus, and after the partition of India in 1947, the train’s terminus was brought back to Firozpur on the India-Pakistan border.

    In terms of monthly earnings , the Punjab Mail still tops the chart among the Central Railway trains after the Rajdhanis. The CR earns Rs 10 lakh per trip or Rs 3.27 crore per month from the Punjab Mail.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    pride of Indian Railways, Punjab mail- is associated with me integrally. In the pre Rajdhani era including Shatabdis, Punjab mail was a queen in that section. Now its place, in scheme of things, is like Yamuna River at Delhi in present times and Yamuna of yore.
    Now, I will prefer punjab females to Punjab mail any time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I’d better send mine in hiding then…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yaaron ki females sirf namaste kay liye hoti hain. Good girls are not exclusive to Punjabis. Rest assured. See one film, cannabalism, that will surprise you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Namaste on her behalf to you ! :)

    I will definately see the film… since you have mentioned it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I too have very fond memories of the Punjab Mail especially during the steam era, Travel by trains during the steam era was full of adventure and joy – there will be nothing like the steam rail locomotives – especially WP series – all power and majesty (see attached image). The children of today’s generation do not know what they are missing.

    We used to travel by this train regularly between Nasik annd Delhi.

    Punjab Mail is still a very important and prestigious train on its route. Today, it consists of 24 coaches with 8 to 9 AC class coaches (very few non-Shatabdi and non-Rajdhani trains can boast of).

    Soli Sorabjee, the former Attorney General of India, had once had said in one of his articles that as a kid all he wanted to be was the engine driver of the mighty Punjab Mail. Which young boy did not want to be one?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I prefer females – caste, language, religion, region ‘no bar’. ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    Last week in the Burkha Dutt’s program We the People the discussion was on whether
    India and Pakistan shoud remove their army from Siachen because of the extreme
    hardship faced by the army due to very cold harsh weather. According to the statistics, every
    year on Indian side 10-12 jawans die and about 100 get injured and some of them
    have to lose their limbs. Someone suggested that it is better to remove army from there
    because no one would willingly like to be posted there. Everyone there was surprised
    when it was disclosed that there is a waiting list of the personnel of our great INDIAN ARMY
    who want to go their and face the severe harsh conditions without caring about their
    own life for the love and safety of our motherland. No one should undermine and suspect
    the intentions of our Great Army. They have always kept us safe and I believe and I know
    for sure that they will always keep us safe. I salute them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Thx for reminding us that the Indian soldier does his job , many times unrewarded… but mostly for pride in the country.

    Somewhere right form 1986 onwards the evil Politician has made big bucks in purchases and harmed the image of the brave fighter. So much so utter trash like Westland helicopters dumped by the UK were purchased (this for civilian use) and they crashed…

    We let go of the commission takers like Quotcochchi and then expect that the soldier to fight on the wars for us…

    And today agqain as th Tatra deal shows… they are mega vampires sitting in this COngress government willing to suck out funds…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Last Tatra deal was done by NDA, BJP-Neutral Vijay!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whoever takes commission needs punishment. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Remember that when you talk about Tatra and UPA together.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Current commission go to UPA

    Anonymous Reply:

    NDA left behind in Daan Patra?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Politicians are destroying this country every way they can – now they have started destroying the army

    Anonymous Reply:

    You know Mohan – Congress and tehelka black marked a “jawan’s” defence minister George fernandes — he is the only defence minister in the history of Bharath Varsha who visited Siachen to be with the jawans to understand their living there….

    He was hounded by Congress and tehelka….

    A man who gave everything for his mathrubhumi…

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    While in India, I had to attend marriage of son of my friend. Posh everything. Just for the sake of older times, I decided to take punjab mail, making my calculation that I will reach Mumbai well in time, that train was so much late, that when I reached hotel, last few persons were having their lunch and the person announced that my palne was late. He felt ashamed to say that my train was late. In west, time and punctuality is very dear to everyone.
    BTW, I had the privilage to board a steam engine, in my early youth, when I picked up a gun(.22), and along with few friends, went towards a famous forest area( real forest). We had planned to board a train to reach that region. On plateform, an engine, which was doing shunting, we asked the driver to let us ride the engine and to our utter surprise, he gave us a lift in the engine for next 40 kms,where we disembarked. What times, what people. That poor driver gave us so much joy on that day that despite about half century, I can not forget him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Panakaj

    Generally this train runs on schedule. I just checked the status on the net. All Punjab Mails (4 running at this hour are running on schedule). Yours must be one of the odd days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I have travelled by train in India quite a few times and they have rarely been late.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you spend sometime in the control from of a junction, you will know how amazing the whole network is. You will be surprised that such a huge network is really working! And working on time!

    Though I was stuck for more than 6 hours near/middle of chambal valley once.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What were you doing in Chambal among dacoits?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I once had the opportunity in 1978 to travel by rear engine (banker) of the Deccan Queen (an absolute delightful train even today) on the Karjat – Lonavla section and the loco pilot allowed me to start the diesel engine and change the first two gears and then he took over.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    manohar/ mohan;
    Nothing against trains as such, they are arteries of Indi. Trains running on time is very pleasant surprise for me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Surprise, surprise!!

    My dad and his dad used to work with Indian Railways and I have never seen a Diesel Locomotive engine in a turned off state on the track. You must be a very lucky man!!

    As a kid, we could go to the locomotive workshop where they worked a couple of times in the year – on the occasion of Independence/Republic Day and the Vishwakarma Puja. All the locomotive engines stationed there to be repaired, serviced, fixed were always on – always!!

    I am no engineer and don’t why nobody ever turned them off.

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  • Anonymous

    Just before I hang up for today… a parting shot at my pal PathakG.

    I have a feeling that he want to boast bout some mythical sexual power he posseses as he dreams about some inadequecy of his opponent and keeps alleging so :) .

    Cmon Pathak,

    I thought it was teenagers who boasted about 6-8 handjobs they could have in a day. So tell us what you want to boast about?

    Smilingly yours

    Vijay

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was pretty used to my khatara cycle making noise during school days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The balls (in the bearings), must have rusted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balls get crushed at times….can’t blame. Part of life.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks

    But remember on this very blog your heart will thank me for showing you the truth about naukercy!! have a sound sleep till then…bye…

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  • Pankaj#1

    Guys;
    Weekend is coming to an end. see you next week.

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  • Anonymous

    @Gopi Thomas, You asked me whether there was biological basis for sexual deviation. Well the things that I have read so far I will relate. There are one or two condition like xyy syndrome where there is an extra Y chromosome. It is 20 times more common in criminals. Certain serial rapist have been treated with Chemical Castration (the same drug used in prostate cancer) goseralin. One guy forgot to taKE THE MONTHLY INJECTION , HE RAPED AGAIN , though with the injection he was free from this behaviour.
    Child porn is curious , as i mentioned two white doctors I knew personally. They were all married and on surface looked normal. My theory is IT IS THE KICK THEY DERIVE BY OPERATING ON THE FRINGE OF LAW.
    Other cases like using bannana (a sirdar) , or carrot or wodden rod up the arse is just a homosexual masterbation.
    Sex is an incredible thing , the neurobiology is not studied enough. Animals dont need porn yet they do it regularly.Lions do it once a year , sparrows once a day.
    Hormones definitely has a role , if you give a rapist good dose of oestrogen , his sex drive will vanish , or castrate before puberty all sexual desires are lost, this was utilised by the turkish pashas who used BLACK slaves to guard their women in Harem .I have seen the harem in Topkapi palace in Istanbul.
    LOT OF THE PROBLEM IS DUE TO LONELINESS.The austrian evil FRITZL , is a reflection of austrian society. Austria is the most beautiful country , to me much beautiful than switzerland. SALZBURG is simply straight out of fairy tale, yet the society is STUFFY , it is so empty , also RELIGIOUS OPPRESION OR RIGIDITY in austria may also may be a reason. The psychologist will tell you that IS MORE OF A CONTROL THAN ACTUAL SEXUAL GRATIFICATION.
    In India it has happened and according to NDTV discussion 60% OF INDIAN CHILDREN HAVE BEEN ABUSED AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIFE, which is MUCH MUCH higher than in western countries

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Thanks. However my question was not on the individual abuser.

    I was wondering whether , even among deviants, there is a racial difference . ie whether white race is more pron to abuse and that too real weird types of abuse like this Austrian guy or the numerous cases we hear about in US (And UK) –like the US case of Wayne Gacy (killing 20 or so boys after sex and burying them), Jeffrey Dahmmer (killing boys after sex and keeping the meat to eat later etc) ..so the question is whether white race has a genetic code that is into sexual violence, sexual deviation much more/different from other arces, say yellow, black, and brown

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well you get it in India as well, BUT IN INDIA PEOPLE HAVE TO BE MORE CONCERNED AS TO WHERE THE NEXT MEAL WILL COME FROM.
    As I said loneliness is a very important factor , EMPTY BRAIN DEVIL’S WORKSHOP

    How soon you have forgotten THE NIHARI KILLING, in vijay khanna’s hallowed Noida

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan/Gopiji,

    I don;t think that India is any far behind in child abuse,
    the only difference is that here most of the cases are not
    reported. No FIR no record.

  • Anonymous

    Gopiji,

    Tehelka is an out and out anti BJP media outlet. They are the pioneer of sting operations
    and recently on Singhvi episode one of their reporter had written that media should
    not stay away from private affairs of politicians.

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  • Anonymous

    Good morning.

    A heave drunkard man whose kidneys had failed, seriously ill on a hospital bed
    was telling his friend ‘ saari zindagi maine sirf branded daaru pee lekin yeh saali
    kidney hi desi nikli.’

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  • Anonymous

    Raghavan critical of Zakia Jafri’s charges

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3415845.ece?homepage=true

    Chairman of the Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team R.K. Raghavan, was highly critical of the petition filed in the Supreme Court by Zakia Jafri levelling sweeping charges against Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi and 62 officials and leaders for their alleged involvement in the 2002 communal riots.

    Agreeing with his inquiry officer, A. K. Malhotra, who found most of the allegations baseless and unsubstantiated and gave a clean chit to Mr. Modi and most of his senior police officers in handling the riots, Mr. Raghavan said Ms. Jafri’s charges made Mr. Malhotra’s task difficult, as the witnesses were not prepared to speak out before the SIT.

    ———–

    Read on and have a good day.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Observation of Mr. Raghavan about a charge by Teesta.

    Mr. Raghavan termed “incorrect and motivated” Citizens for Justice and Peace general secretary Teesta Setalvad’s charge that Hindu activists conducted two meetings at Lunawada and Borwai, near Godhra, on Fabruary 27 and 28 to hatch plans for a pogrom against minorities, and that the meetings were attended by two members of Mr. Modi’s Cabinet. After a thorough probe, the SIT found that the charge was “incorrect and motivated;” there was no evidence for any such meeting having taken place at all, and there was no question of any Minister having attended it.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh/Binoy,

    $2b lost due to terrible mistake, JPMorgan says

    http://gulfnews.com/business/banking/2b-lost-due-to-terrible-mistake-jpmorgan-says-1.1022594

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  • Anonymous

    The comic republic

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/article3415779.ece

    “Bhakti in religion may be a road to the salvation of the soul”, B.R. Ambedkar said in a famous speech to the Constituent Assembly on November 25, 1949, just before putting the Constitution of India to vote. “But in politics, Bhakti or hero-worship is a sure road to degradation and to eventual dictatorship”. If only the parliamentarians who vented their anger against a 1949 cartoon last week had bothered to read and understand the hero in whose unnecessary defence they sprang up, Indian democracy would have been spared the degrading spectacle of the government banishing a sixty-year-old sketch from the classroom. The sight of our parliamentarians cutting across the political spectrum foaming at the mouth in simulated rage, vying to outdo each other in their pious indignation, and sporting their ‘hurt’ sentiments like badges of honour was like watching a bad soap opera gone worse. That they could have spent the day grandstanding over a totally inoffensive cartoon is not merely deplorable. It is also downright dangerous, if we pause to consider that these are the men and women we elect to safeguard our constitutional democracy, of which the freedom of expression is a fundamental and inviolable part. Disrupting Parliament would have been unjustifiable even if the cartoon were repugnant. But to create a controversy over a comment on the slow speed with which the Constitution was being drafted, on the absurd ground that the cartoon “insulted” Ambedkar, was downright ridiculous.

    ————-

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I will not be surprised to see parliament being disrupted on cartoons of
    Bal Thakrey, Sonia Gandhi,, Rajiv Gandhi, Mayawati, and Mamta

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  • Anonymous

    Another slice of history

    The chamber of ideas

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-chamber-of-ideas/948882/0

    Excerpt

    On May 21, 1952, nine days after the Rajya Sabha started work, a member of the House, T.S. Pattabiraman, while participating in the motion of thanks on the President’s Address, referred to climate change in south India and wanted the Planning Commission to address the problem. On the same day, Krishnamoorthy Rao spoke of the harmful effects of industrial and river valley projects on nature. Rao sounded alarm bells: “Our water sheds are drying up, our forests are being denuded.” Miles and miles of forest were being cleared to supply raw material for industry. Rao underlined the need to protect the balance of nature. He also wanted a definite afforestation policy and measures to protect wild animals, river basins and the earth’s top soil. The problem of providing drinking water to people was also taken up by a member of the Rajya Sabha, S.D. Rajah. On May 19, 1952, he said in the House that water facilities would have to be provided to the citizens of India.

    ———-

    Policy issues raised in that first session also find resonance now. In recent years, much has been said and written on the mid-day meal scheme for schoolchildren, aimed to reduce dropout rates and improve the health of underprivileged students. The matter also came up during discussions on the budget in May 1952. Rajya Sabha MP Seeta Parmanand spoke about the necessity of mid-day meal schemes in schools — children needed proper nutrition for their intellectual and physical development, she felt. “Union government could recommend to each state to take up the issue of mid-day meal scheme by way of experiment as though in a research laboratory and give the result to the whole nation”, suggested Parmanand. Her proposed plan proved to be farsighted. In 21st century India, the introduction of the mid-day meal scheme is accorded priority in all states.

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Although midday meals is quite prevalent all across now, certain states/principalities had some schemes even before independence. King of Travancore had a midday meal program starting in late 1930s. Kamraj Nadar started a program in early 1960s for Taml Nadu (MG Ramachandran took this platform and expanded big time in 1980s).. Kerala communist govt along with CARE introduced all state feeding in 1961; and the state took over the full responsibility in 1984 after CARE left India.

    Have you heard about Akshaypatra? It is a extremely well-run school midday meal program, originally started by IKSCON, but now run as independent charity. It is an unbelievable program, they are now in many states giving a run for state programs . I had a unique opportunity to visit their cooking and distribution operations in Bangalore around 4 AM one day (the hectic time for them, food is loaded by 7AM in temperature controlled trucks). Try to see an Akshaypatra cooking/distribution operation if you can.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I have heard of this organization Akshaypatra. They started their
    operation in Bangalore and are doing an amazing job of feeding
    children in about 20 cities of India. The people working there are
    very dedicated and they make sure the food served is hot and
    everything is prepared in a very clean environment.

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  • Anonymous

    Parents try to marry off minor; girl rescued

    http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_parents-try-to-marry-off-minor-girl-rescued_1688466

    Ullal : The social welfare department officials on Sunday broke into a marriage hall and rescued a minor girl from marrying a man who was twice her age.

    The officials receive a tip-off about an SSLC student Monisha, who was being forced into marriage with Sureshlal, 32.

    Shakuntala, deputy director of Social welfare department, said: “Monisha told us that she wanted to pursue higher studies and did not want to marry now. However, her parents Usha and Manjunath—both construction workers—did not pay heed to her request and tried to forcibly push her into marriage.”

    ————

    She is lucky to be rescued.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This specific case, although make sensational news about “man double her age” is not bad compared to far worse situations that do not get “rescued”.

    Although he is double her age now, when she is 50, he will be 65 — may be 5-8 yr additional diff than the normal age diff.
    She has attended school through SSLC.
    The husband, being a construction worker in booming Bangalore, seems to be able to provide for and protect the girl.
    While the rescue is a good thing (I hope there are systems to take care of the girl and let her continue with thee ducation etc after the “rescue”), there are worse crimes – parents selling 10 yr old girls, many ending in households as maids/servants (the recent reported case of the girl kept captive by the doctor couple in Delhi) or ending in kolkotta and Mumbai brothels … etc etc

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  • Anonymous

    Watched Aamir Khan’s program last night about child abuse. I think he has done a
    very good job and has handled this very sensitive issue with care. There is a hope that his shows may bring some positive changes in our society.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some people have started saying Amir, like those art film makers, is showing India in poor light. He is only talking about negatives of India. They say like those art film makers, Amir is looking for claps. He doesn’t care about India’s image.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    We have 1.2 billion peope in India and we can have 1.2 billion views. Everyone is
    entitled to his/her view.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So long it remains as simple views, it’s ok. If it becomes a motivated opinion, then it might lead to a problem.

  • Anonymous

    Now, we have at least someone in UK who has dared to called a spade a spade. They too are getting sick of political correctness

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143922/Its-fatuous-deny-race-link-child-sex-grooming-case-says-equality-chief-Trevor-Phillips.html

    He says, ‘However, I think anybody who says that the fact that most of the men are Asian and most of the children are white is not relevant, I mean that’s just fatuous.’
    —–

    Welcome voice!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Trevor Phillips has been pretty strong to say that. Frankly even on this blog there have been attempts of obfuscation.

    I have been stressing that to remove Islamophobia it is necessary that relations between religious communities be two way. Unfortunately I was condemned and made fun off !! Not that it bothers me… as I can be the last man standng but will never give up a stance on what I see as correct.

    Listen to what a Pakstani social activist says in that article.
    ————————-
    We are on a journey of improvement,’ said Mr Asfal, himself a Muslim. ‘We have come across victims who deserve better. She deserved better.
    ‘I think women suffer enough without being let down by the criminal justice system.’
    He said part of the problem was that some immigrants bring ‘cultural baggage’ with them from misogynistic societies.
    ‘What some communities believe is there is a
    ‘What some communities believe is there is a right of self-determination for men but not women. Women are seen as lesser beings.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2143922/Its-fatuous-deny-race-link-child-sex-grooming-case-says-equality-chief-Trevor-Phillips.html#ixzz1upz8KlcZ

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    It talks mostly about women being treated badly by some muslims. Where did it talk about Islamophobia ? Could you please quote from the article ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Apply your brains brother.

    Such actions lead to islamophobia. That ALL Muslims do this thing.

    In order to remove Islamophobia it is important that relations between religions be balanced. That Women of one religion can interact with the same freedom as do the men– with people of other religions.

    These child abusers CREATED Islamphobia by targetting children of other religions. So they need to be called fanatics as well as child abusers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You scrap your brain kid.

    A community not dealing with their womenfolk fairly does not lead to islamophobia.

    Head covering in villages have not led to hindu or villagephobia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When they deal unfairly with women of other religiosn it leads to Islamophobia. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    LOL. Period.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ CHILD ABUSE— some possible reasons ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    With a packed to the hilt day–moving from one end of Delhi to the last sector of Noida– I did my best to avoid the blog…

    But… like wine for the weary traveller… I am back here again, for a sip.

    Shan had mentioned his two doctors in UK who kept picture of children– well it sort of reinforced my view that beyond the slimy relative or friend who prays on children, they are perfectly “decent’ people who venture into child pornography and child sex abuse because fo boredom and thrill of a new frontier. So first is the abuser who sees power in abusing children, the other is the the person, who has no sense of what is right and what is wrong.

    let me take up a case, which Shan had mentioned. The NIthari killers and child abusers. This is an extreme case as they were killings involved.

    I have often stopped in front of the house where all this took place. D-block, Sector 31 Noida is now a quiet forgotten place. A bunglow huge in size, but ramshackle and falling, these days. The two occupants MOninder Singh Pandher and Koli are now in jail.

    I had bumped into Pandher a few years back. He dealt in earth moving equipment and I was consultant to a person who used the equipment. He was rich, sixtiesh and looked what some rich and bored people do– paunchy, expensive watch, smelling of booze at 4 in the evening. He could be the gregarious, “soul of the party” loudmouth.

    It now turns out that he had a huge bunglow in Chandigarh and a respectable life and wife and children there. HOWEVER there is a history of him trying things on his brother’s daughter in law… So in short no control over his sex drive.

    In Nithari, Koli his caretaker, from Dehradun, and cook became his pimp. Pandher was drunk most of the time. It did not bother him what age the girls were. Koli hunted them out from Nithari village– mostly migrant labour from Bengal and Bihar. Money was given. The girls families turned a blind eye. sometimes the girls were as young as 12-13.

    Pandher’s largesse was available to his gang of government servants and friends. if you were in his circle… his house in Noida– specifically meant for sex– was yours.

    Koli, his caretaker was impotent. He developed a thrill of watching his boss screw the girls. And then…

    He developed a fantasy that..

    If he ate the girls sexual organs he would get the same potency…

    In the end he killed at least 20 girls….
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    NOw to derive thew conclusions form this case. Possible reasons fro sexual abuse

    a) Pandher having no sense of right and wrong

    b) Pandher’s boredom with his rich successfull life and boredom with his wife.

    c) HIs sense of power over the poor, that they could not complain to the police. That his money could buy out everything. In fact he even had sexual relationship with the female police inspector who was assigned to conduct investigations years before the scam came out.

    d) Koli’s impotence leading him to false beliefs.

    e) Koli’s sexual gratification in killing children and eating their organs.

    —————————————————————————-

    This is an extreme case. Very different from common cases of abuse. But extreme cases magnify things so that conclusions are easy to derive.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You always tend to mix up things. Your heading says ” Child abuse”, but you end up talking about “sexual abuse”.

    Can’t you figure out that they are two different things ?

    Child sexual abuse is different from the regular sexual abuse. They are not truly interchangeable.

    I do not think Pandher was a child abuser. He was heavily into prostitutes and women in general.

    So he may be excluded from your argument, though it will shorten your piece by 80%.

    Even Koli was not a child abuser in true sense. He was a serial killer. Children were just happened to be his victims as they were volunerable. But he had killed even youngsters.

    Your assertions need revisit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have not got one part of the argument. That to Pandher it did not matter that the girl was 10 or 20. In the end there were girls as small as 12-13 who were being used in the den.

    I have qualified the whole thing by saying that this is an extreme case. However extreme cases help in studies as they tend to magnify everything.

    So he was having sex with 12-13 yeard old girls. By what logic is he not a child abuser? Is it because you feel that the girls got the money or is it because you feel that they were from the poorer category and this could only qualify as abuse in case there was forceful sex on solid midlle class or rich kids?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You must understand clearly Pandher got women/girls through regular pimps. He didn’t lure girls in. The girls were “supplied” as in professional services.

    Koli killed one 13 year old girl if I remember correctly.

    Koli killed people. He was a serial killer.

    Pandher wasn’t aware of Koli’s this activity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well there is a view that he was into prostitutes… normal male addiction!

    But i would differ here.

    He specifically ordered Koli to remove two girls who were blackmailing him. They were the older ones. 15-16 I think. So the trace of the murder could reach him in case the police investigate fairly.

    The second issue still remains that the age of the girls. Ok… prostitution … but of what age? Can kids of 13-14 decide that they are willingly doing it? And many a time probably forced prostitution.

    Honestly it is about social attitude. We are quick to apportion blame to the poor. Even in the Aarushi murder case the parents thought that in case the servants are punished on false charges…no big deal.

    And frankly as a person I always bat for the nauker. In fact donate money and equipment for cricket and football games where domestic servants and children of site labour play…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You said :

    “And frankly as a person I always bat for the nauker.”

    That’s your prerogative.

    Do not mix up cases of prostitution, orgies etc with “Child sexual abuse”.

    If you can not differentiate, then you can not prevent.

    It’s absolutely necessary that you have a clarity on the subject.

    Was Arushi a case of Child abuse? Yes, it was. A trustworthy servant was involved.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well I have tried to differentiate. I was talking about the underage girls in Pandher’s sexual world.

    Of course Hemraj did indulge in child abuse for which he deserved punishement (though not death).

    But throwing the blame on the other servants was WRONG.

    By the same scale, in case Pandher lured underaged girls through his money power. As do the runners of orphanges (Indian and Dutch in India) which have been higlighted by Child line.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pandher didn’t lure.

    The girls were delivered to Pandher through pimps.

    If not Pandher, the girls would have gone to some other clients. It was their business.

    Differentiate.

    Differentiate.

    Differentiate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Underage brother underage

    Underage

    Underage.

    He sent his man with a suitcase full of money ti get the girls..

    Anonymous Reply:

    One does not walk out and walk in with girls unless they are prostitutes.
    Pimps deal with Prostitutes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The main issue is the power game. When adults pray on children– there is a sense of power that they will get away.

    When Pandher was doing it– again there was thepower of his money which made some of the parents of the girls willing. And his own sense of power that he would be able to purchase the police.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “….again there was thepower of his money which made some of the parents of the girls willing….”

    What rubbish are you talking?

    Can’t you simply be objective about any discussion ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am very objective. I talked to the press walla (not media but ironing boy) of Nithari and chowkidar, next to the village where the girls came from 50 mtrs from Pandhers residence.

    “it was common knowledege that Pandher would pay 5000 rupees if the girl wa svirgin even if she was 12-13 years old…” was what the press walla said.

    Anonymous Reply:

    All the cases have been traced and investigated.

    Don’t waste your time with Presswallas.

    Just a day before you said if anybody abused the children in NOIDA/INDIA, the mob was there to lynch !

    And here’s the presswalla giving you exclusive interview to you that Pandhar was buying “tested virgins” for Rs. 5,000 from the neighbourhood !!!
    Can you get anything straight, ever?

    Anonymous Reply:

    “What rubbish are you talking”?
    ————

    Yes, rubbish it is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you for particpating. Seems that your BP is still high on my innocent questioning last night :)

  • Anonymous

    I haven’t got a joke to share, but I do have a question.

    Suppose I turn off a light bulb at my home, how does it save the electricity? I know that my electricity bill for the month would be less having done so, but how exactly did I save the electricity? The fuel in a thermal/nuclear power station has been burnt, the electricity thus generated and transmitted through the wires all the way to various household/shops/offices etc. Now, how does it matter whether I use it or not (by switching on/off the bulb)?

    If the question is too stupid, please blame it on my education – I somehow passed 12th from a KV and didn’t bother to study any further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If millions like you followed earth hour daily – there would be a drop in demand.
    A generation system that doesn’t adjust itself to fall in demand (a BIG anamoly for modern electricity generation Plants considered here solely for the sake of argument) , continues to drive the lowered load at same capacity – perhaps causing overheating and breakdown in transmission.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Peak demand is a factor … which planners take into account. Lower peak demand will ultimately lead to lower power loads. And be a huge factor in power production planning for the next few hours.

    At any time there are power cuts in India. In case you keep your light off, distribution grids will transmit power to areas where power cuts are planned.

    Wastage of power is callousness. Even the switch of you equipment being on (computer, tv) without the equipment being in use will result in power wastage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s exactly my point, how would the distribution grids (whatever they are) know when I am actually going to turn off a bulb so that they can divert the power thus saved somewhere else?

    I am assuming that I don’t switch off my buld at the same time every day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is about power offtake. it is metered. In case there is less offtake.. I will plan that I produce less in the next few hours.

    For example in Delhi. There is a variation in the amount of power produced for summer and winter. Smilarly when in summer demand surges, the stations keep increasing the power production or buying surplus from the grid.

    Be assured that your act of power saving will certainly help.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Load balancing is more of predictive figure based on the collective use in a particular area in last few seasons.

    The anticipated load plus a buffer is calculated, secured for a particular area and the balance is released to the grid.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said. I will agree with you on this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak ji/ Vijay,

    May be I am too dumb to understand but I am still not convinced. If the load (plus a buffer) is already calculated and secured for my area, then how does it matter whether I use it or not.

    And also, depending on my usage, the power generators can produce less or more tomorrow, but what about the one that has already been produced today? Won’t it go waste if I didn’t used it?

    Please don’t bother explaining if it is too difficult. I’d ask Manohar – may be he can simplify it for me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    An interesting topic, completely different from our regulars. What you are trying to
    say that particular amount of electricity is provided to every area and whatever is not used goes to waste. We by switching off few of our lights won’t amount to saving
    of the actull energy. Would love to hear from some expert.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The National Grid is a dynamic exchange, divided into zonal ones.

    When one does not use, the difference is negligible. So it won’t make any difference. But if more than 1000 people don’t use AC, then the difference is evident. If it continues for sometime, even for few hours, the surplus is released to the grid. Each city/Zone has its maximum limit based on the projection and even the money deposit ( kind of credit limit ) with the power company.

    Today power generation and distribution companies are different entities.

    The distribution company maintains the load ( actual uses plus a buffer) based on the usage pattern derived from historical data.

    The buying-selling of power is dynamic. There is hardly any loss in that aspect. The major loss is the distribution loss through open live wire. The distribution companies are working on that aspect.

    But trust me every unit saving matters.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Pathak ji.

    It helped in my understanding of the issue. The distribution companies continuously monitor the load of an area and if it is less (for whatever reason) than what was predicted (and hence secured), the surplus is returned back to the grid. Wonderful.

    But even you concede that my switching off one bulb alone makes no difference unless the effort is collective.

    I won’t switch it off unless some more people do it as well, from now on :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    In your bathroom, you must have noticed the drain getting choked with fallen hair?

    Imagine a single hair thread is so thin! Yet collectively they choke even a drain !!

    If people start thinking exactly like you and don’t switch off the lights then the collective use could lead to power breakdown. And it mostly does.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Thanks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    please switch off any and all lights and appliances when you don’t need them. Believe what the experts say: ‘It saves power and reduces your personal expenditure.

    Besides, there is the issue of heat generation. If 15million people in Delhi switch on their computers and TVs all at the same time just imagine the emission of heat from these appliances.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Will do. Just having some fun – trying to distract the couple (ie. Vijay and Sharma ji) from the “child sexual abuse” issue. I am too scared to talk about it – I didn’t even bother watching Amir Khan’s show either – not for me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Very sad. Please don’t avoid. Take the bull by horn. Watch the episodes on the youtube. I bet you would like the episodes. They are done very nicely.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree. Amir Khan is a stickler to perfection. What we used to expect and get from Dilip Kumar, Amir is providing.

    I am sure his remaining episodes too would stir the nation’s soul.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree, Pathakji has “abused” the issue to death.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree, Pathakji has “abused” the issue to death.

  • Anonymous

    Huh ?? The College Debt Post dis-appeared ??

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tales of College Debt . Read on at :
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/business/student-loans-weighing-down-a-generation-with-heavy-debt.html?pagewanted=1&ref=business

    Rest assured – we are going to see similar patterns here as well.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    The box has become a walking stick so I have to post up here.

    let us get one thing clear. Are we talking about child abuse of everyone or only of the middle class and the rich?

    In the case of Pandher it was NOT just about prostitiutes. It was about getting fresh girls as young as 12-13 for sex… as long as they were fresh and their parents had been purchased. Many might have been lured by the idea of a mobile phone or a toy. But becasue fo teh low age it has to qualify as child abuse.

    This aspect will not get a fair media coverage as poor especially in UP are just mayawati’s consitituency.

    For teh media, the English speaking Pandher would be a case of pity as many people would want to enjoy the same life.

    The issue is the age of the girl. ANd whehter she was coerced thu inducements of chocolates, mobile phones and toys….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Stop talking **** when you deal with a serious issue. Leave your confused political viewpoints behind when you deal with issues like “CHILD ABUSE CASES”.

    Yesterday, you talked proudly that child abuse cases don’t happen in India because if anybody tries to take advantage of a girl in NOIDA, he is lynched by a mob.

    Today, You are talking about Pandhar buying “FRESH GIRLS” from parents by paying Rs. 5,000/- in his own neighbourhood.

    Can you get anything straight, ever?

    Or, is it your famous “kehne mein kya jaata hai” approach?

    Get your act together.

    Else, have a nariyal paani and sleep.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Stop reacting like a child. I am talking about child abuse thru money power. Somehow it seems to have been a red rag to a bull.

    Go to Nithari and ask people around D-5.

    Again I repeat… Child prostitution is child abuse in my eyes.

    You are making it sound as if it is the occupation of macho men and is fun .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Child sex abuse” is a “child sex abuse” is a “child sex abuse”.

    Whether through baloons, chocolate, driving lessons or money, a child sex abuse is a case of child sex abuse.

    Don’t bring in your stupid “money power”.

    Whether a rich man does it through “money” or a poor labourer does it by offering “gutka”, it’s a “child sex abuse”. There is no difference.

    It’s high time you stopped your “kehne mein kya jaata hai” approach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Then pandher would qualify for child sex abuse. Period. Go to D-5 right now. I am just two kilometres away. I’ll jopin you there

    let us talk to the folks in the Gali… next to the nallah where the bodies were thrown. You ask the questions. I’ll just observe your reactions.

    Unfortunately becasue of our callous treatment of servants and what we percieve as an underclass we will not be shocked as we wold be in case the girls were English speaking, middle class or rich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Use some “filter” in your mind.

    You are too confused. You can’t differentiate.

    I told you – if you can’t differentiate, you can’t prevent.

    Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sure good reasons to be confused now…

    ‘attractive’ possible clients… a meeting… cheers !

    Join me at maurya if you want….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dum Pukht…Kaali Dal and kebabs…my fav.

  • Anonymous

    Will Chidambaram’s lies succeed ?

    “….. Stating that neither he or his family had any connection with Aircel or any other telecom company, an emotional home minister P. Chidambaram on Monday said: “Plunge a dagger in my heart rather than question my integrity “……
    ……The leader of opposition questioned how both Oxbridge and Advantage had the same e-mail address in 2006, to which Chidambaram said he was not aware “if they shared the same web address”.
    “I don’t deny that the promoters of Oxbridge and Advantage did know each other. All are doing business in Chennai,” he said…….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We’ll have to wait till 17th July – when the CBI submits its report on the investigation made in this case.

    Something is definitely fishy here and some cover up operation is going on. However, I trust Mr. Subramaniam Swamy to nail the then FM in this case. I have tried to get information on it but so far it has proved to be too complicated for me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As for lies succeeding, let us for once believe the government of India’s motto,” satyamev jayate”.

    And Chidambaram, like the rest of them, will simply brazen it out, till the next big scandal hits this government.

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  • Anonymous

    There is an ongoing discussion on “Child Abuse ” vs “Child Sexual Abuse.”
    So I thought let check from the statutes. I quote as under from the website of the Statute

    “…… The National Commission for Protection of Child Rights (NCPCR) was set up in March 2007 as a statutory body under the Commissions for Protection of Child Rights Act, 2005 (4 of 2006), an Act of Parliament (December 2005). It was set up to protect, promote and defend child rights in the country.

    The functions of the Commission as laid out in the Act are as follows:

    1.The Commission shall perform all or any of the following functions, namely;

    a.Examine and review the safeguards provided by or under any law for the time being in force for the protection of child rights and recommend measures for their effective implementation

    b.Present to the Central Government, annually and at such other intervals, as the Commission may deem fit, Reports upon the working of those safeguards

    c.Inquire into violation of child rights and recommend initiation of proceedings in such cases

    d.Examine all factors that inhibit the enjoyment of rights of children affected by terrorism, communal violence, riots, natural disasters, domestic violence, HIV/ AIDS, trafficking, maltreatment, torture and exploitation, pornography, and prostitution and recommend appropriate remedial measures

    e.Look into matters relating to children in need of special care and protection, including children in distress, marginalised and disadvantaged children, children in conflict with law, juveniles, children without family and children of prisoners and recommend appropriate remedial measures …………

    If we go through (d) above , I think Child Abuse should include Child Sexual Abuse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Thx for posting the facts. just rushing in for a meeting at office. But I will run them trhu in my mind for sure!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It was “child sexual abuse” vs “sexual abuse”.

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  • Anonymous

    Sexual abuses in Delhi Colleges:

    This is a very interesting case..

    A tall handsome, grey eyed clerk ( yes clerk! ) in a famous, top of the line co-ed college in Delhi University would always carry two things in his briefcase – few pornographic magazines and a bottle of whisky.

    He would mostly attract girls, lure them by showing pornographic magazines and take them to boy’s hostel for a session. The boys mostly allowed him because he would do things for them in college and sometimes even offer whisky in the evening.

    But the height of his skill was evident when students from other colleges/institutes used to come for some exams during usual vacation time. He would work as an invigilator. While supervising, he would ask a girl to come to the table, talk briefly and lift the case of the briefcase to expose the pornographic material to the girl. Then he will indicate her to go to the restroom. After sometime he would follow and have sex in the very rest room itself.

    This was not one off case. He did it for years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I did not understand what you are trying to say? Are you saying that girls, just looking
    at the pornographic magazines will agree to have sex with that person who had brought
    that material ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He managed it.

    Don’t compare Shewag’s batting logic with Gavaskar’s.

    -

    Didn’t want to say it, but can’t resist.

    Strangers have had sex in open park, after just few glances.

    No courting, preambles or explanations. No exchanges of names or telephone numbers.

    Same goes in the heated swimming pool in a 5star hotel in Delhi.

    No fantasies. Real people. Real happenings.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Still difficult for me to believe, I am not saying that he did not manage it, what I am trying
    to say that there must some thing else involved of which perhaps you are not aware of.
    Girls agreeing to have sex just looking at pornographic material is very difficult for me
    to fathom.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    You mistook. It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about satiating one’s urge at a particular moment.

    The girl was primed with a strong urge. She would rush to the restroom. He manages to catch just on the dot. The timing was the key.

    Have you not heard strangers having sex in Train toilets? How the timings are matched and after few glances and smiles.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Few stray incidents are ok but what you are saying is as if these are very common occurrences. Sorry to say but you are sounding
    like as if girls are very cheap.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Come on !

    I never meant that.

    It just that you need to take a fresh look at the pervasiveness of sexual conducts.

    It’s better to accept them as a part of our life rather than living in denials that it does not happen in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He must be smearing ” vasheekaran powder” under their noses and hey, presto! The girl is putty in his hands to be handled as he liked.

    Anonymous Reply:

    [ Where were you whole day ?]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    this blog informs, entertains, refreshes and re-invigorates, but it does NOT feed some of us who need to work for ourselves as well as the workers.

    Honestly, I was working on the completion of an order.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    this blog informs, entertains, refreshes and re-invigorates, but it does NOT feed some of us who need to work for ourselves as well as the workers.

    Honestly, I was working on the completion of an order.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Another interesting story.

    Somebody in a social gathering/cocktail asked a famous actress if she would be kind to give her autograph…

    The actress with a mischievous twinkle in eyes said ” Autographs tend to get misplaced or lost. I will give you something that you will never lose or forget.”

    She took his hand , pressed on her boobs and gave a flying kiss….all in a hugely choreograph manner.

    You only said – it’s difficult to understand women !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Therefore, Abhishek Manu Singhvi offering judgeship to a woman lawyer and having sex with her in his supreme court chamber is nothing to be CD-ied and paraded on websites all over the world.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are just learning about the hard facts of life !

  • Anonymous

    Mahesh,

    You posted a link to an article about students loan in US and commented that we may see
    similar pattern here. Are there any figures available about the loans given to students here
    In India ? Where US is concerned I see a huge problem in future if employment situation
    there does not improve soon . This loan of USD one trillion may become Non Performing
    Asset and US government may will have to come in again to help these banks.
    More printing of money, more borrowing ? Will we ever and if yes, when will we come out
    this recession.?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    The College debt referred to in link is personal debt. Under depressed jobs scenario this personal debt is adding to troubles.
    Some of the policy measures our own government is adapting / planning to adapt aim to scale down government investment , make borrowing easier for students and incentivise the investment for private players. The key point here is about borrowing. Students and their parents would do well here in understanding what exactly they are borrowing for and what cost – something that laypersons are not really good at. This is where the similarities with US start becoming clear.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Any borrowing whether it is for business, for house, studies,
    credit cards should be done after proper planning. I have seen
    many cases and some of them close to me facing hardship
    because of unplanned borrowing.
    Anyway, Mr. Sharma has uploaded another article, let us move on
    there .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Any borrowing whether it is for business, for house, studies,
    credit cards should be done after proper planning. I have seen
    many cases and some of them close to me facing hardship
    because of unplanned borrowing.
    Anyway, Mr. Sharma has uploaded another article, let us move on
    there .

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Ishwar

    Let me add whatever little I know, hope it will help answer your question.

    Electricity – Matching Demand and Supply.
    ———————————————————

    PathakG has given you a overall correct picture elsewhere (* His reply is reproduced below) .

    1) Electricity is the only commodity that is simultaneously produced and consumed, matching supply and demand must happen every second of every hour of every year in perpetuity (or as long as society wants electricity).

    Rest is a bit specific to India, but it would apply anywhere else.

    2) Every state has a distribution grid designed to meet its requirements in various regions of the state based upon the regional demands. Each regions have clusters – city wise, district wise, whatever The demand for each state and cluster is based on historical data and number of connections, affluence, etc.

    These grids form part of the National Grid.

    3) The power plants all over the country are connected to the National Grid via the state grids and each power plants have a certain number of generators.
    During low demand period, some of the generators will be shut down automatically or manually. When the demand increases, generators will be switched on again automatically or manually.

    The whole system is very finely synchronized to prevent it from collapsing. Computerisation now makes it easier to do so.

    4) Managing the grid is all about matching supply and demand. The balance may get a bit technical. It is done by using Frequency Regulation (I will leave the technicalities aside). It is done every 4-seconds to control the generators to match the demand, presuming supply exceeds demand.

    In such a system, switching on or off power generators is a delicate process, the manager of a power plant cannot simply switch off or switch on a generator.

    5) If you notice, if there is a massive power outage (for whatever reasons) – most power plants get automatically switched off, the restoration takes several hours, as switching on of the power plants are synchronised in step by step process.

    ——–

    PathakG wrote

    The National Grid is a dynamic exchange, divided into zonal ones.

    When one does not use, the difference is negligible. So it won’t make any difference. But if more than 1000 people don’t use AC, then the difference is evident. If it continues for sometime, even for few hours, the surplus is released to the grid. Each city/Zone has its maximum limit based on the projection and even the money deposit ( kind of credit limit ) with the power company.

    Today power generation and distribution companies are different entities.

    The distribution company maintains the load ( actual uses plus a buffer) based on the usage pattern derived from the historical data.

    The buying-selling of power is dynamic. There is hardly any loss in that aspect. The major loss is the distribution loss through open live wire. The distribution companies are working on that aspect.

    But trust me every unit saving matters.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Many thanks Manohar!!

    This is why I love this space. No question is stupid here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks vm. This blog always enhance my knowledge.

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