Youth demand logical answers and actions



Young India is rising. The tell-tale signs are there for all to see. And facing the heat, perhaps for the first time, are the politicians, who have blissfully remained oblivious of this fact that this young India has a voice — wanting to be heard, wanting answers that are logical and do not smack of politics.

It is this restless young India which had been watching the way the country and its systems functioned and has now taken to the streets. They were first drawn to the streets on the issue of corruption and the Gandhi (read sincerity) that they saw in Anna Hazare. And now they have decided to fight for their own right to security and dignity.

Nine days after the gangrape in Delhi, the government has swung into action, suspending the lax cops. Also, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has finally broken his silence on the issue; UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi and AICC general secretary Rahul Gandhi have met the protestors; Lt Governor of Delhi Tejinder Khanna has cancelled his visit abroad to be in Delhi, burning despite the December chill.

What I found ridiculous was the explanation given by the people in power, ‘I also have daughters’: as if they ever travelled in a public transport. It’s hard for the people who live under heavy security to understand the humiliation the girls of all age groups face while travelling by bus or any other public transport. It happened three decades back when I was studying in Delhi University and it is happening today. Nothing has changed though we all claim that India has progressed. The mindsets, the security and the system have only worsened.

I heard the police commissioner blaming the media for the growing protests on the streets of Lucknow, little knowing that the youth today is connected to the world around– the cyberspace was jammed before the Delhi roads got choked. And majority of the kids who thronged India Gate did not belong to any political party.

Today all of us are standing at the crossroads. There is anger, there is aggression and there are arguments, some of which could be amateurish. The people in power, whether in politics or bureaucracy, will have to first understand the cause behind the protests and provocations. Lathi-charge, water cannons and suppression of their voice would only make them belligerent.

It’s high time the politicians understood the sentiments and stopped playing with their innocence.

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  • Anonymous

    Rushdie makes money out of this circus.

    He got another ambitious (Tamil Iyer) girl Padma Lakshmi hooked to him (she is quite a calculative one too).

    Padma Lakshmi moved through the upper crust of NY and London as his wife.. Then she jumps into the real money (yes, private equity) by divorcing him and marrying/or having an affair with Fostermann (??).

    At the end of the day, Rushdie, Jaipur lit festival etc is all about making money – tonnes of it.

    Freedom be damned..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    similarly, on the other side, it is all about votes. The feelings of the supposedly “offended” be damned. Literary fests be damned. When votes-not ordinary votes of Hindus who vote many times fancifully- but votes of Muslims, who vote en block, mostly for the congress party count, nothing else matters.

    It is also not any election. It is the election, which can make the prince the king or a failed, defeated leader, who always needs crutches like a Sancho Panza Digvinash Singh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    The prince’s daddy banned the book even before Ayatollah Khoemini banned it!

    And these are the same people who insulted the Indians who were upset about Husain’s nude paintings of Hindu goddesses

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    engrich Reply:

    most of ur imaginary goddesses are shown naked in the temples.nakedness is not sin in hinduism as in christianity and islam.it was all politics.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    You ignorant.
    Give only one example where goddesses are shown naked in totality.

    engrich Reply:

    kaali is shown naked in all temples.

    engrich Reply:

    durga is an imaginary caricature drawn by a kayasth of bengal in 19th century how she became god,nobody knows.

    khajurah and other temples shows sexual poses.

    brhmna used to rape his 2 daughters
    swarasti and padma.which is also depicted in paintings at many places.

    question is double standard.hindus painted same painting millions of times,it was taken as art.when hussian has painted same it is taken as insult.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Never ever. You lie so shamelessly that knows no limit. You had said that there were no Ram mandirs in UP/ India, some blogs back. While there are lakhs of them everywhere. Now your ignorance is not even laughable, let alone getting angry with.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Nothing wrong in trying conversing in a sensible way
    with this gentleman, however
    it will be of no use.
    Anyway good luck to you.

    engrich Reply:

    prince daddy banned this to provide propaganda to this stupid book.otherwise ardly anybody will purchase it.it is not banned in uae.

  • Anonymous

    “Rushdie’s presence in Jaipur wouldn’t have caused a ripple had it not been election time in five states including the politically crucial Uttar Pradesh where Muslim voters are a major factor. To that extent, one cannot dismiss out of hand the charge that Congress governments at the Centre and in Rajasthan orchestrated reports of life threats to the author of Satanic Verses to keep him off the Indian shores.”

    This says it all. What the four writers did was nothing unusual. They excercised their choice of leading an ordinary/peaceful life with their family in the security of their homes rather than getting picked up by the state police and charged under some laws and stay rotting in one of the filthy Indian jails till the time a suitable lawyer bailed them out. Remember, they are not celebrities or powerful businessmen/politician who get preferential treatment.

    They were advised by their leagal help to move away – and rightly so.

    The only thing that needs discussing/debating is what was the state supposed to do/did in this situation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Brilliant observation.

    Discussion on your last para later in the day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said Ishwar. The Congress is willing to lock up the writers and you and me by cracking down on internet freedoms.

    But… when it comes to the communalists… it will say “UNITY IN DIVERSITY….”

    Let us kick this evil Congress in the bum//

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    Salman Rushdie’s literature and M. F. Husain’s art, both of an extraordinarily high standard, would not have suffered if they had avoided giving gratuitous offence by not writing / painting some things that would deeply offend the religious sensibilities of normal people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    you are only partly right. But do you really believe what you said?

    Take this blog itself. Vinodji takes the side of the Islamic fundamentalists and their supporting party, the congress, because he feels Muslims don’t ‘like’ anybody even writing about their prophet.

    But, go through Vinodji’s previous blog. Out of 800 readers’ posts more than 300 have been posted by the two jihadis and one of them, the Islamic pig, engrich, has POSTED 250 POSTS abusing Hindus, Brahmins, their gods and saints like Sai Baba. Do we then just say ‘ignore him’ and pretend as if nothing has happened?

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    One of the many reasons one likes to read this column is that it short, pithy, takes a clear stand, even if one does not always agree with it.

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  • Anonymous

    No balls, no Shame
    by Aditya Sinha

    http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_no-balls-no-shame_1640713

    Concluding paras
    ———————

    Instead, India showed a face that it never seems to outgrow: of a society that is scared of obscurantism, scared of the internet, scared of its army chief, scared of the media, scared of the corrupt, scared of its neighbours, scared of its poor, scared of its indigenes, and most of all, scared of itself.

    In effect, after many years Rushdie has, successfully if not deliberately, held a mirror up to us. We ought to cringe at what we see. Nearly three decades later, it is the return of Shame.

    ======

    Scared of many more things – Scared of Foreign Direct Investments, scared of loony fringe elements across religions, scared of free thought and expression.

    Others may add to the list.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I believe that Congress can only be blamed for seeking a zero sum game in Jaipur. The feed-back from a focus group would have indicated that it stands to lose a sizable chunk of its vote bank in the forthcoming elections.

    In my opinion it was misled. I believe that scenes of Salman Rushdie being flanked by tough (very telegenic) security and being safely delivered to the Literary festival in Jaipur, would have provided very strong TV images. The effect of this image would have been further magnified had it been contrasted with images of skull cap wearing Muslim youth. I think that the electoral calculations would have stalked much in favour of Congress.

    Even if Deobandies had taken umbrage, so what. What could they have done, come the election time. Some might have stayed away, and others may have continued to vote just as they intended any way. I doubt if any of the Congress Voting Muslims would have changed their allegiance to BJP. BSP may have taken a few Muslim votes, but it may have lost just as many if not more because Congress would have come across as a tough acting party.

    Furthermore it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that the Deobandi’s would have given a face saving interview dismissing the demonstrations as the act of over enthusiastic youth.

    Coalition politics almost always weakens democracy and it does weaken the image of leading political parties as well as our nation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi and Manohar,
    It is one of these moments one really starts wondering about Congress . What does it really stand for ? I mean, REALLY.
    We know what BJP has stood for and its own internal conflicts.
    We know left , “official left” and extreme left and their stands.
    Unfortunate aspect of Congress is – it appears to be defining itself (socially speaking) as an anti-thesis of BJP. Donning itself a terribly self-limiting role.
    A simple act of looking hard into the eyes of Deobandis and asserting the democratic freedom for Rushdie could’ve worked wonders when making similar assertion facing any other religious zealots in future. And yet, they chose to buckle.
    For now Congress appears to have missed that huge opportunity of asserting its Secular credentials.
    Too bad, these mis-steps by Congress ensures the continuing clout of communalists in polity even when the masses appear to be waking to economic realities.
    But then , for alll we know, that indeed may have been the intent .

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    I blame it on coalition politics

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    what does it have to do with coalition politics?
    Congress, as usual, wants to make sure they will garner 90 percent of Muslim votes — so, this is, in their calculation, a ploy to ensure that.

    This does not have anything to do with accommodating a coalition partner; but everything to do with their constant appeasement of Muslims. Hope Muslims will see through this and vote for somebody else.

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    I was not refering to any accomodation of a coalition partner.

    Merely that National parties are so fragmented that they can only form coalition governments.

    That means they have to often dilute their ideology for the sake of electoral pragmatic politics.

    Welcome back.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Policy of congress has always been
    appeasing the Muslims. They have concentrated their ideology not diluted.

    engrich Reply:

    under congress rule muslims became destitute.tell me how they were appeased.

    engrich Reply:

    will garner 90 percent of Muslim votes — so, this is, in their calculation

    benoy u live in america have no idea of ground realities.muslims are voting regional parties not congress.they feel more easy with mulayam or maya than with national parties.
    though i will vote congress.they are best among worst.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When Rajiv Gandhi diluted the SC judgement in Shah Bano case, Congress had absolute majority.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi & Mahesh

    Agree.

    Congress has always tried to mean something to everyone, i.e. trying to be all inclusive, nothing wrong with it, per se. But then ……

    This particular episode has been mishandled, because Rahul Gandhi has raised the stakes in UP too high and nothing (real or imaginary or near or remote) must come in the way, hence everything else must be thrown to the winds. Perhaps they do not realise (or simply do not care) the likely negative impact it is going to have in the rest of the country and among the other communities within the poll-bound states, particular in UP.

    For the last three years, we have seen the Congress blinking too soon under pressure time and again – starting with DMK, then Baba Ramdev, Anna Hazare, Opposition Parties, Mamata Bannerjee. All it takes is a grunt and then …

    Something is terribly wrong with Congress’ political leadership to keep messing up things time and again.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How can you “look hard into the eyes” of Deobandis, whenyou call Osama the terrorist as ‘Osamaji’?

    How can you “define” yourself, when you succumb to the pressure of Islamic fundamentalists and say Batla House was a fake encounter and squelch under your jackboot the supreme sacrifice DSP Sharma made in that encounter with LeT terrorists?

    How can you not miss ‘huge opportunities’, when your yuvraj himself gives a clean chit to the terrorists of LeT saying that they are actually benign, misguided elements of Muslim right wing?

    I am sure Salman Rushdie will have the last laugh, while our dear friend Vinod Sharma will be busy licking the wounds of the UP results.

    engrich Reply:

    Deobandis and asserting the democratic freedom for Rushdie could’ve worked wonders when making similar assertion facing any other religious zealots in future

    democratic freedom has some some restrictions.registering the protest in non voilent way is democratic.

    tasleema and rushie are loved by hindu zoinists only and only because they hurted muslims.ht is brhmnst from last 20 days his photo is on front page.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    For a change I agree with you after a along time.

    I bet you wrote this before attacking the bottle Blenders pride. :)

    Anyway Lage raho munnabhai… till Kapil Sibal and Digvinash snatch your internet freedoms and condemn you to write court poetry in support of Sonia Mata and Yuvraj.

  • Anonymous

    Encouraged by success of anti-Rushdie tirade, Muslim personal law board has decided to flex its muscle in UP election by holding rallies in 79 seat and influence voters to vote for party of their choice. Looks like muslims are going to set agenda for this nation from now on.

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  • Anonymous

    The Congress will not defend anybody…. except Osama ji….

    Let us all face this. !!!!

    In case Osama ji was alive, the Congress would have welcomed him at the airport, blamed the BJP and called him a hero persecuted by the global imeprialists…

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~~ let us ban the congress ~~ BEFORE IT BANS US ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Digvinash and Yuvraj already have a scheme to ban internet freedoms on websites, facebook and google.

    Its Trojan horses will give you a million reasons that coments lauding the achivements of Motlial nehru to Rahul Gandy are only the comments worth writing. Remember India remained a one channel Doordarshan thing before PV Rao and NDA gave us these internet freedoms

    But Yuvraj and Digviansh steeped in the gory Cngress culture of dynastic succession will probably soon ban us… and maybe only allow the engriches to comment…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Well, both Yuvraj and Digvinash have Brahmin blood in them So Egrich may not go along!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As long as Egrich says Jai Mata di… Meaning Jai Sonia Mata di… he would be a hero… But then u r right…. the brhntis, zionist would soon tumble out of him…

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    engrich Reply:

    i say jai sonia di.she is the only leader who can take india out the present mess.being christian she has feelings for poors.
    brhmnsts hate everbody and use everybody.plundering india since their arrival from central asia.even brhmns are the victim of their eveil acts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich post nominated for “Goebbels booker prize”

    Anonymous Reply:

    But, bedcause of his spelling mistakes, he will be short-listed for Goebbels’ shit cooker prize.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    “…NDA gave us these internet freedoms”

    You seem to be on overdrive !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    In case you are an avid media watcher you would know the truth.

    The inernet came in the mid ninties and was very very expensive till 1998.

    Then Chandrababu Naidu requested the NDA government to make it cheap and accesible to all and also to free it from the yoke of VSNL and MTNL which had the monoply.

    I can bet my bottom rupee that the TV channels or the net would not have this degree of freedom in case a Gandhi parivarwalla was at the head. Reasons of national security and CIA and Mossad would have been cooked up to justify regulation and for getting lectures on the mahaan parivar as was in the DD era. PV Rao because of neglect never bothered.

    As a college student I did a bit of TV work in that period. The private channels went by TRps. DD was interested in getting something to fit in with the mood of the Congress and finding some excuse for highlighting the greatness of the parivar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You seem to be thriving on rhetorics these days. When you settle down with a sombre mood, we surely can discuss about telephony, MAX, RAX, Sam Pitoda et al. May be you can do bit of research on the keywords I just gave you.

    NDA had given a full advertisement stating that Congress provided X number of internet connection in 50 years, while NDA provided 5X internet connection in 5 years. I can understand how foolish Pramod Mahajan sounded to technocrats with that statement. But you have gone miles ahead with your rhetorics…NDA gave us these internet freedoms…!!! Yet you ask me when shall I replace Manish Tiwari !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre boss abhi hamara daroo ka time nahi hua!!

    Sam Pitorda was an aberration who could not succeed because KP Unhikrishnan got in his way as he did not recive him at the door when the minister took charge. I know that era inside out as I lived it as a student. A lot of my friends joined C DOT but the success they achieved got limited by the fact that mobile telphony become the in thing by mid ninties.

    I know for sure that PV rao was lax in promoting himself and Congress the way Rajiv and Indira Congress had done through doordarshan. In fact a very senior DD officer lamented to me then that in case a “strong” PM had been there, all these channels would have never been allowed via satellite.
    This was in late ninties when I was sought as a scriptwriter who loved to do it as a hobby,

    The internet was initially an elite affair, with high tariffs of 250 rupees an hour on a squalid MTNL line, limited to a few cities. Only Chandrababu Naidu had the vision to push the case forward for Net freedom for all.

    Of course today Rahul and co want to go back to the papa era as the atempts to censor the net and also censor the lit fest go.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    The DD official you talked of must be living in denials. I remember MTNL CMD ridiculing the idea that someday Mobile will overtale the number of landlines. The guy must have made a casual comment with channa and daaru / tea.

    Chadrababu naidu provided net free or net freedom ? – they are two different things.

    By the way, more than Mobile telephony, it is NDA that killed CDOT. Check out with “Senior guys” at CDOT of those days.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Access is the first step to freedom.

    Even then there was talk of foreign content and pornography reaching the Indian home. And also of the “foreign hand” sending propoganda. This by officers in Department of Telecom.

    Bt at the end of it… today I think we got used to this freedom and the COngress will be committing a blunder 100 times bigger than Rushdie in case it becomes a net nanny.

    Pakistan tried it with faebook and came up with millat facebook. China blocked google. Both failed as at least a few foreign software giants dropped China as a development centre while Pakistan keeps going down the spiral.

    Well… let us see what Congress does to India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Look at your successful self in mirror and smile.

    Congress will do to India as it has done so far. Setting on the growth path.

    [ Sometime back you talked of phobia ! ]

    Net Nanny :

    Google and Facebook are commercial organisation like any other Media organisation. If they have profitted from user content creation, then they also have to be responsible for the conduct of users on their platform.

    Check out application of section 292 of IPC, Section 67 of ITA 2000, the requirement of “Due Diligence” under Section 85 of the ITA 2000 .

    ITA 2000 :

    Date enacted : 9 June 2000
    Date assented to : 9 June 2000
    Date commenced : 17 October 2000

    Vijay Sir ! UPA was really a monster in 2000 !

    Anonymous Reply:

    There was a Congress which I loved and admired. It was the COngress of Patel, PV Rao, MMS and MOntek and Arif Mohammad Khan.

    Unfortunately the COngress of today is a B grade version of teh SP

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    “NDA had given a full advertisement stating that Congress provided X number of internet connection in 50 years, while NDA provided 5X internet connection in 5 years”

    Wot? There was Internet 50 years back! Someone forgot to tell me back then. Must be a real spoil sport. ;-)

  • Kumars1

    This guy Vinod Sharma wants Mr Rushdie and the other writers to die for their beliefs. Let them be killed and let the fascists have a field day and then be protected by his Congress pals. He is a rascal of the first order.

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  • Anonymous

    The new generation is finally discovering who is mother of communal politics in India. It is Congress and Congress alone. BJP has been result of Congress’s narrow communal, casteist and corrupt politics.

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  • Anonymous

    So Mumbai ATS squad arrests two Muslim men responssible for the Diamond market bombing; but the Congress govt at centre says they are not terrorists…..

    Is this another “Rushdie” operation to win all the 500 plus seats in UP?????

    Congress will sell their country and their mothers.. (.BJP may sell their mothers!)

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    engrich Reply:

    mr manohar and ravi,
    gopi says that muslim rule un india was tyrannical rule.i requested him to show me a single paper book or literature written by brhmn against muslim rule or give me the name of any underground movement run by brhmns against muslim rule.

    till britishers came they were the strongest ally enjoying generosity of muslim rulers now he ae and rss abuse them.why.

    gopi i hope u will awnser.

    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    History repeating. Earlier it was Batla house case and now this. In both cases people of a particular religion were involved, and in both cases
    different agencies are not agreeing with each other. Terrorism is being
    treated as a joke by this government.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ BOOKER PRIZE ANNOUNCED ~~ for blogger who can blame this on BJP~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Since this country is being pushed into a corner where every failure of the dynasttic, digvinshi COngress is blamed ont eh RSS and BJP, I expect that this blog will soon become a BJP balme game. SO will the TV channels where Hussain and BJP will be used to deflect attention. Remember S M Krishana is blamed by courts for mining, but everyone is silent and still shout Yeddy..

    I HERREBY ANNOUNCE THE “Goebbels Man Booker” prize to any Journo or blogger who can find the BJP hand and Kali topi, RSS etc behind this Congressie Rushdie blunder.

    The winner will also be given an all expense paid trip to LeT seminary in Muridke…. :)

    HA HA HAHA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, itis a great idea.

    I propose you name it the cooker prize. Because whoever gets the prize, he would have really cooked something well worth savouring.

    I also propose that you make provision in your rules for sharing the prize jointly.

    I have a feling the two jihadis and the congressi troll will eventually get the prize jointly.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All the stories trolls will cook to bail out the COngress can give diarrhea to a dead donkey donkey…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    But I am serious about the GOebbels Booker prize or the Goebbels cooker prize as you call it….

  • Anonymous

    The Congress Party can now feel relieved that is has been able to fend off the crisis and the collateral damage which Rushdie’s vissit to Jaipur may have caused to its fortunes in UP …. after all the hard work it did at Batla House and Azamgarh.
    However RR Patil of the NCP , its ally …. or its political rival ? …in Maharashtra has now dealt a death blow to it by arresting two for the bomb blasts in Mumbai. Both hail from Azamgarh and some images of the sullen mood there have been telecast on the TV channels. There were some indications of damage control by the Union Home Ministry , when some news channels started reporting that the Union Home Ministry and Delhi Police are totally taken aback as they were kept in the dark by the Mumbai Police ,and one of the two arrested was a Delhi Police Informer….let us wait and see how the Divijay Singhs and the Rahul Gandhis work out their strategy to counter this.
    ….After all any anger in Azamgarh can have a deep impact on …..He He… the outcome in UP. The MBC vote is gone and the OBC vote is slipping after that 4.5 % reservation……He He.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    let me have the pleasure of correcting you. It is not 4.5%, it is 9%.

    But just when the vote banks had begun to mentally relish the dish of 9% reservations, RR Patil has all but queered the pitch.

    This only goes to show that even the best laid plans can go wrong, not withstanding helping hands like Vinodji’s.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    It so sad that since the last few decades whenever UP has its elections . the dirtiest scum of Indian politics starts coming out . You see political parties queing up at the doorstep of Mafia dons..a race of I am more secular than you….caste chiefs and money… . UPites like us when we look back …we trace its origins to Congress CMs of the years gone by. I recall it was Kamplapati Tripathi whose name figured first for patronizing mafia dons of East UP…then Hemvati Nandan Bahugana for turning up at the doorstep of then Shahi Imam..the turn around on Shah Bano judgement by Rajiv Gandhi.. and the list goes on. …In the current election we saw Beni Prasad Verma strongly pitching in for Atiq Ahmad . What Mulayam Singh and Mayawati have done is that they they adopted the same tactics and did those things openly and brazenly.

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    engrich Reply:

    turning up at the doorstep of then Shahi Imam

    what is wrong in shahi imam.they were also visiting sai baba
    ashram,who was king of frauds.they were also doing chamcha giri to hawala dealer,thief ramdeo,fraud chandraswamy etc.this is mistake of of our society and democracy.ata bihari saved sai baba when he murdered 6 boys whom he was using to satisfy his sex,after he ran out of sexual feelings.

    batala house encounter was fake.truth should not be afraid of investigation.these brhmn ats chiefswere using anti-muslim feeling to make money.why his account was not checked.

    5000 crores were found in the account of DAYA NAIK another ats chief whose slary was 7000/.30 crore was running rate.

    sharma was killed by his assistance not by those innocent boys.there is video film for this thugi.

    one of the victim was involve in hawala bussines.other was 17 year old gold medalists.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamic pig spreading hatred against Hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    That is why dividing UP makes sense. Uttranchal has got over its caste and minority politics after teh division and development is the core issue there.

    engrich Reply:

    now brhmns are taking the land of localat throw awa prices and selling this to industrialists at market rate
    making good money.same modi is doing that is why muslims are crushed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Dividing UP into 4 states as proposed by Mayawati , has many ramifications. Except for Bundelkhand and Ajit Singh , no other part or leader of UP has asked for it. It would mean almost all families of UP would be split and members residing in 4 different states. I doubt that such an idea would be acceptable to many. As for the evils of UP politics , they have now spread all over the country in measures big and small.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    The BJP gave us Chattisgarh and Jharkhand and Uttranchal. All of them thrive now. Even Bihar is better off.

    Has it made a difference to you in case a relative now lived in Dehradun which is part of Uttranchal?

    I deal with the UP government on almost weekly basis. Except for greater Noida and Noida which are milk cows, they have little interest indeveloping other parts. Belileve me and be dispassionate. Do you think that UP a state which has more number of people than 174 countries of the UN, can be governed from Lucknow?

    The poverty and underdevelopment would remain. Only issues such states toss up is religious and caste.

  • Anonymous

    SAHMAT IN DAMAGE CONTROL MODE.

    WILL INVITE SALMAN RUSHDIE FOR A SEMINAR.

    WILL ALSO HOLD HUSAIN’S EXHIBITION.

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    engrich Reply:

    if he writes same about ur holy figures will u not protest against him.u people are most hate filled people in the world.though majority is good.india has so many problems.he is an yearly pain.i hope next time goverment will not issue visa to him.and papers stop writing about him.

    tasleema and rushdie are 2 toys in the hands of hindu terrorists to tease muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    They know Rushide wont come for their conference/seminar

    But they will use him as a fig leaf to hold an exhibition of Hussain painitngs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    this particular fig leaf is too transparent.
    Even pig-headed Islamic pig engrich can see what lies behind.

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  • Anonymous

    MY POSTS SEEM TO BE VANISHING TODAY. IT HAS HAPPENED THRICE TODAY.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you write something blashphemous such as Rahul Gandhi does not
    deserves to become PM of India, or policies of Modi are benefiting people
    of Gujarat ? If yes, then I am not surprised .

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    engrich Reply:

    most of his posts are worthless and useless,shows his lack of knowledge on subjects.only spread rss side of distorted history prepared by britishers to divide india.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    It was continuation of my ealier posts.

    Just look at it, the hilarious part.Dear Engrich gets cleared , Aaloke gets tripped by Censors.Look at the shape of things happening in India. Hope it does not continue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Agree with you. The way thing are we can only live in hope.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke Sir,

    Welcome to the club. It happened few times to me as well. I had some reference to “BJP” in my small posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Aaloke and Prahalad

    Be patient. Kapil Sibal and Digvinash have sent them to the censor. After removing objectionble content you MAY see your posts back… in case they praised Deobandis.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    and also chant, ‘jai mata di’

  • Anonymous

    Now few Sikhs have raised an objection on Jay Leno’s remark on Golden Temple.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748660

    Earlier few Christains had objected to the world Hossana used in a song by
    A R Rehman. Hindus and Muslims also had objected on different subjects.

    India should be called as : Land of objection raising people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Allow me to rephrase that. As Aditya Sinha has given a list of the things this country is sacred of and I had added three more. Some more.

    We are scared of images, we are scared of words, we are scared of paintings, we are scared of books.

    —————-

    With the ongoing Adelaide Test, can we add the following.

    ‘we are scared of winning overseas’

    ???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    In Adelaide Test, today morning I saw two Australians raping eleven
    Indians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    In that case, we should file a FIR against those two in a police station in Jaipur and Gehlot will take care of them ‘real good’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Indian cricket is facing three minor problems. If they solve those than again
    India will start winning. Batting, bowling and fielding.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And the cricketers have changed their natinal anthem from Jana gana man to

    “show me the money…”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    And the cause of reaching this stage is our attitute

    Chalta hai.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    The only thing we are not scared of is objecting to everything else.

    engrich Reply:

    before sikhs took the control of golden templecontrol with the help of ghandhi.temple was in control of a ,hindu mahant who converted it into den of prostitution and drugs.this is historically noted.no respected family will send his family there.may be leno was talking of those days.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamic pig spreading hatred against Hindus.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    ignorant what i have written is right check from some old sikh he will tell u.this mahant had 3 wives all staying in same temple.one of them was muslim.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ VINOD SHARMA THROWS A SLY CHALLENGE !!! ~~ at freedom lovers !!~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Sir, this blog thrives as amongst the best on the internet, only becasue of the democratic freedom it gives. In case it was a one sided affair with tributes to the Congress only posted, many of us would have not bothered to shoot, but would have chosen to scoot.

    Well you have thrown a sly challenge to the brave writers who took up the cause of literary freedom. That either you die to prove your commitment or otherwise you are fake.

    Now most of us– barring one or two– are dead against the evil terrorists who regularly come from Pakistan to destroy our country. Now none of us is in the armed forces. So does it imply that unless we go out and fight on the border– and give our lives– our support to the army has no meaning?

    Would love to have your considered opinion.

    PS: In case you choose to duck this… I think all of us would get the answer. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Pl do not be so hopeful….it is a shoot and scoot job

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    I am hoping against hope !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay
    When I read “Shoot and scoot” my memories took me back a few years when this phrase became a subject of debate when the country was rocked by the Bofors Scandal. The gun functioned on a “shoot and scoot” tech. Obviously Vinod Sharma Sahib cannot forget it so easily. Sometime back we read a story on a CD with taped conversation of Shanti Bhushan. That story was later found to be untrue. Howver the HT still stands by it . Now this is the reverse of … ” Shoot and scoot”.. . Now I hope that you get the BIG dIfference between the literati at Jaipur and HT.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Bofors to Jaipur today, it is the Congress which shoots obfuscation and scoots like rats….

    Anonymous Reply:

    ou could call it ‘chal, phoot’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    In Ahmedabad, when some college girls challenged him on some political issue, Rahul Gandhi scooted.

    When Islamic terror supporters of Azamgarh demonstrated against him, he chose to scoot, rather than face the crowd, as his great grand father would have done.

    Again, when somebody threw a chappal at him, hten too he scooted.

    With Vinod Sharma, the word scoot has acquired a special respectability!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    righto !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    (: (: very good one.

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  • Anonymous

    Salman Rushdie denied video link. He should just go back and come after two months.
    By that time elections would be over and no one will bother him. No body will even
    notice that he is in the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    At this rate, it won’t be long before the Congressis would make it illegal to mention Islam in anything other than glowing terms.

    They would continue to call themselves Seculars, neverthless.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    It would be OK if only they called themselves secular. The problem
    is many more with their vested interest also call them secular, even
    knowing fully what actually they are — The most communal party — .

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    Salman Rushdie denied video link

    good news.thanks

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sad very sad!!

    Mohan did you detect a BJP, Mossad or CIA hand anywhere?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP wont allow Rushdie

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvxRm2Na3bk

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    When we were in college one close friend had a habit of spotting a pretty girl in a crowd of ten thousand.

    Now Prahlad, let me stay you can easily spot a BJP hand in a crowd of 1760000 raised congress hands !

    Anonymous Reply:

    176000, 0000000 raised hands and raised but hidden “other things”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I told you before too. You are like Team Anna. Always shy and coy when it comes to BJP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Have you met Prahlad ? Try meeting him, perhaps he
    is your old friend of college days.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    You have terrific sense of humour !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad and Mohan

    Ansolute top class reply !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    unlike your friend, our friend, Prahlad, can spot a girl even if there is no crowd and the girl is under a clowd.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    For that I have to take help from our friend Engrich, which I cannot
    as for the time being I am katti with him.

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  • engrich

    Barbarity of the Brahmin” as described by two Brahmin writers
    ,
    gopi and aaloke especially for u,

    V.S. Naipaul, himself a Brahmin whose ancestors had settled abroad centuries ago, gained international celebrity status when he wrote the book, Wounded Civilisation portraying “Hindu India” as a stupid, idiotic country ruled by his own jatwalas.

    While he gained name and fame from his literary achievements, his jatwalas in India became furious and denounced him as a third rate writer because he honestly condemned Brahmins as topclass frauds. This made the Brahmin in Naipaul to mellow and realise as he grew old that if he continued jabbing at his jatwalas the “Jews of India” would prevail over Jewish-controlled Nobel Foundation to deny him the Nobel prize. The Brahmin in Naipaul prevailed and he started praising the Brahmins. By then it was too late. Naipaul got the award after he started praising Brahmins. The Brahmin in him killed the genius in him.

    Beef-eating Brahmin: We are reproducing a passage from his book, Wounded Civilisation, in which he exposed the Brahmin hypocrisy and dwelt on the strong anti-Brahmin fury prevailing in India. Naipaul was impressed with the novel of a fellow Karnataka Brahmin writer who too in his younger days married a Christian girl, ate beef, sang Lohia lullabies and the Brahmin media boosted him sky-high and hailed him as “socialist savant”.

    Topclass frauds: Soon the Brahmin in him prevailed and turned him into a “Socialist Brahmin” who is more dangerous than a “Sacred Brahmin”. (Read our book, Socialist Brahmin vs. Sacred Brahmin, DSA-).

    His Kannada book, Samskara, Naipaul says, very beautifully portrays the “Brahminic barbarity” and the Brahmins as topclass frauds.

    The problem with the Brahmin is very serious. No Brahmin has so far been able to get over this dotage — the victim of his own sick society.

    During his younger days the Brahmin is fired by the youthful idealism and he turns a marxist, naxalite, maoist, anarchist, atheist and what not. That is how M.N. Roy, the Bengali Brahmin, became founder of the Indian Communist Party and advocated wholesale Hindu conversion to Islam to liberate India from Brahminism (Read his book, The Historical Role of Islam, photocopy available with DV).

    S.A. Dange, Chairman of the Communist Party, as he grew old came to the conclusion that “all the wisdom of Karl Marx came from the Vedanta”, for which he was expelled from the party itself. The Marathi Brahmin died a vedantist.

    Look at the mischievous Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer who fell in love with Dalits and successfully duped both Dalits and Muslims but continued to mouth socialist slogans.

    The “famous” E.M.S. Namboodiripad died as an orthodox marxist Brahmin (DV Edit Nov.16, 2009: “EMS was Brahmin first, communist next: Cheated Dalits, BCs, Muslims & destroyed Kerala”).

    Jawaharlal Nehru, the fire-eating socialist, out of love for his Kashmiri Brahmins, fought a war with Pakistan for the sake of his jatwalas and permanently put the Himalayan state in thrishanku swarga —despite the UN verdict that Kashmir is a “disputed territory”.

    Caste above the country: We have not came across one Brahmin who has been honest with his conscience because the sanskara does not permit him to go against his jati. This sanskara is hanging right over his head like a dagger and throughout he lives with this fear. That is why to him his caste is greater than the country. Show us one Brahmin who has gone against the sanskara. This is the tragic story of a Brahmin which Naipaul relates here

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    Anonymous Reply:

    selected as entry for “GOEBBELS COOKER PRIZE FOR GARBAGE.”

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    he is an Islamist pig spreading his anti-Hindu, wahabi hatred here on Vinodji’s blog with full impunity.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think it is better to view him as a sample of what we all can become in case brainwashing is done a la LeT. I would request Engrich to donate his brains after his al-vida in the Institute where Einstein did, so that scientists find out how opposites exist on this planet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One day he may end up blaming brahmins for his own birth. This guy has gobar gas in his cranial chamber.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamic pig spreading wahabi hatred on the blog.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Congress went along with the “majority” and divided India so they will retain the PMship.

    Looks like Congress will play that diabolical game again, and divide India going along with the “minority” so they can retain PMship.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb,

    It is pretty sad. The Congress to woo minroites woos the hardliners. In the end it sends a signal that moderates dont matter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Congress has to be defeated at the polls for India to meet its national and international goals – their actions and policies perpetuate backwardness/poverty/dependency. Can you imagine people getting paid to sit idle in today’s world of debt ridden governments? We are not only paying, but adding to that roll!

    We are quite optimistic about Amma here. Things are on a roll. But alas, we do not have national parties with leaders like her.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SHoeb

    Frankly you are right that she has managed TN better than what Congress has done to India.

    We are soon going to see a collapse of teh success story which started in 91. It is basically back to the days of state control and social engineering on religion and caste lines, with few ideas of getting people to unite and move ahead.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    Only a mass movement will help to throw the bums out – however, Congress as well as the whole political class fought against somebody like Anna whom they thought will put them on a one course meal instead of the 100 course meal they are used to!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb/Vijay

    The ideal future government should be, coalition of BJP with AIDMK, with Ms. Jaya
    Laltha as a PM and Mr. Modi no. 2 . These
    two both together will not only bring in good
    policies but they know how to implement those. They will do wonders for India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    what if they fall in love and forget all about governance?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    That will be wonderful. Their children can take over at later
    stage. At least something they
    should learn from Congress.
    Dynasty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is going to be ‘no later’ because, as the parents are old, they would be giving birth to grown-up children!

    Anonymous Reply:

    ShoebK,
    You saw how Anna’s movement was tackled by Congress. Only violence as demonstrated by muslim org. in case of Rushdie can push Congress out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,
    It is difficult to defeat congress because it has support of media. You must have seen BJP and other leaders grilled by media but have you ever seen Rahul or Sonia grilled by media. NO…because media has become the propaganda arm of Congress because of sops, Rajya Sabha seats and Padamshree given to them by Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    I fully agree with you. With media in the pocket of Congress, it would not be an easy ride for opposition.
    Congress is expert in this game of fighting elections,
    where as BJP are just novice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Have you forgotten media’s love for anything BJP during NDA days ?

    It’s the media that broke UPA II’s spell in last one year.If media were so biased then there would have not been any nasty news about UPA. Everyday people quote some newspaper headline about something bad about UPA on this blog itself.

    Are you really wishing that media must topple the UPA Govt. that NDA is not able to do ? Do you really want media to do the shadow boxing for NDA ? I fail to understand where do you get this feeling that media supports UPA ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Sometimes you should watch NDTV and CNN-IBN.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    There are more than 200 channels out there !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Perfect comparison. You have hit the nail on the head.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ShoebK,
    Congress’s only mantra even before independence was to come to power by all means. It first came to power by having a deal with brits (Dominion status) and then by partitioning India and then by bogus slogans to fool masses. Then it used emergency and then Shah-Bano & Babri. Now it is on muslim appeasing spree. Today if muslim demand for a muslim state within India, I am 100% sure Congress will agree for it.

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  • Anonymous

    Serious stuff, not meant for ……….

    Strongest solar storm since 2005 hitting Earth

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/Strongest-solar-storm-since-2005-hitting-Earth/articleshow/11617160.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I am sure of one thing that this solar storm has not reached Dubai at least.
    We are shivering at the moment. Not seen such cold, windy weather since many years.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    There may not be increase in the temperatures, but communications systems – satellites and aircraft near the polar regions may be at a risk. The storm is likely to end by tomorrow.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Irrelevant to the topic..an effort to divert attention from topic on hand..typical Congressi.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    He somehow wants to forget about the storm that will hit his party in UP.

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  • Anonymous

    A simple mistake can do wonders.

    Record breaking 10 Lakhs IDEA connections sold in just one hour due to a simple
    printing mistake in their slogan .

    “” An idea can change your WIFE “”

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  • Anonymous

    @Vinod sharma aka Vinod Congressi, I wonder if you will have the courage to respond to this post , the lack of which in Rushdie , hussain kunzru et al, you so endearingly lampooned .
    First a simple question posed to you HAVE YOU READ “THE SATANIC VERSES”
    PLEASE QUOTE ME THE OFFENDING LINES. There are NO SPECIFIC OFFENDING LINES as pertains to the PROPHET.
    Yes he has called the persian companions of prophet (who I beleive were theives to begin with) Bilal and another guy SCUM AND BUM.
    Yes he has made fun of this business of revelation . Then THAT APPLIES TO ALL REVEALED RELIGIONS, OR ALL RELIGIONS.
    As they say it is better to have an inteliigent foe than an ignorant friend.
    Also THE ELECTION COMMISSION SHOULD TAKE AWAY THE CONGRESS NAME , FOR THE CURRENT CONGRESS HAS COMPLETELY OBLITERATED THE NAMES OF FOUNDING FATHERS OF CONGRESS ,AND ITS 150 YRS OF HISTORY, IT SHOULD BE NAMED
    NEHRU GANDHI PARTY.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who has got access to your ID and password?

    It doesn’t sound like you… definitely looks like your post. I would love to hear the responses from Manohar and Ravi on this.

    BTW, how did u like 1-2 at the Emirates over the weekend?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Shan has many avtars. This is one of his best.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He is good guy with short fuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    It is Shan. Have you ever wondered when Shan talks against Congress or Islam, not one person from Congress-Jihadi group challenges him?

    They keep quiet because they know they can’t survive without Shan’s ideological protection.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This post has been written by Shan during moments of sobriety.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Why are you surprised at the content of Shan’s post? I can only guess, so I leave it you to tell.

    Please read the exchange between Ravi, Mahesh & me posted yesterday underneath link re: No Balls, No Shame.

    The shenanigans of the Congress Party re: Jaipur Lit Festival has left a very bad rancid taste. They always have stooped and have played vote bank politics like any other party, so this was not much of surprise. Shameful to say the least.

    Is any other party taking advantage of the Congress’ self-inflicted injury, that may require a major surgery or are they so busy playing the same vote-bank politics that they haven’t noticed?

    Do you think the festival will be held again in Jaipur next year? I have my doubts. The question is which part of the country is safe from the loony fringe elements? Sheila Dixit has said that Rushdie is welcome in Delhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Salman Rushdie might come to India and go completely un-noticed next time as he has done quite a few times in the past after having written the “Satanic Verses”.

    The incidence has exposed the Congress. I appreciate your calling this act shameful.

    I wonder what would happen if all this talk of 9% reservation, Batla House and Rushdie doesn’t fetch them the desired results in the upcoming elections!! Would that result in a change in the leadership/advisors at the top?

    Anonymous Reply:

    IMO, there will not be any change in the Government. Some months ago here on this blog, I had indeed said that the Congress needs to change political think tank. It has been one disaster after another (most of them self inflicted) for the last 2 years or so.

    If the Congress fails, there will be some chnages a la musical chairs – shuffling them here and there.

    Today, the Congress is as confused as the BJP. Both of them do not whether they are coming or going.

    Do you see any logic in the latest bouncer from Gadkari re: Modi in the midst of elections, knowing full well that he is perceived to be a divisive figure? Is it a masterstroke or plain dumb?

    engrich Reply:

    Sheila Dixit has said that Rushdie is welcome in Delhi.

    not during election time.she will not take risk of 20%votes.though her son in law is a muslim.

    engrich Reply:

    Do you think the festival will be held again in Jaipur next year

    any festival can be held anywhere in india without him.this world has lacs of intellectuals.he is selected to irritate muslims.brhmnswt are keeping zoinist notorious dalai lama just to irritate chinese.
    irritating others is tne name of game.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not agree with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sheila Dixit has already retracted her statement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I just read it. It was surprise that she said he was welcome earlier. Nothing has to come in the way of UP elections, where Rahul Gandhi has raised the stakes very high. Like do or die battle.

    The likely scenario – if the Congress in UP fails, his advisers and others will be blamed and if it succeeds, 200% credit will be bestowed upon him. That is Congress ’shtyle’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just think if Bihar happens in UP too..what will happen to your Rahul Baba?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay/Manohar,

    She got a Danda from high command.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No need for a DanDaa.

    A mere look into the eye is enough.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    In Pakistan a person was sent to jail because he threw a visiting card in a
    dustbin of a person whose name was Mohammad. According to that the
    crime of this guy Mr. Salman Rushdie is much more grievous. I am surprised
    that he is still alive.

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    engrich Reply:

    rubbish and wrong.u are in dubai,every third man is mohammed.

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    engrich Reply:

    shan basic problem is that u people dont consider us as one of you.a typical hindu mindu.if somebody will hurt the feeling of my brother,i will not meet him.but for u people,anybody hurt us is ur celeberity.u use them as stick to beat us.
    i hope this stupid man will not apply for visa again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You call hindus all sort of names and then expect us to think you as one of us…It is you who think India is some dharamshala where you can have all the fun. If you are so pissed with us, live with your pakistani brother whose army you defend when they raped lakhs in 1971.

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    engrich Reply:

    hate is ur duty it is only muslims.u hate everybody.brhmnsts are writing books after books against budhdhism.ur holy books are full of abuses for local indians.

    this is upto you.choose between unity or disunity.we are ready for both.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Stop BS…You have separatist genes in you..and this is the reason you people keep demanding separate Islamic country carved out of non-muslim countries.

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    I have a feeling that the two of us may have discussed previously.

    However, IMHO, the offence was not caused by any specific piece of text. The offence is caused by the very fact the book would remind people that a number of verses were expunged from the Quran, because it was thought they were dictated by the Devil.

    This prompts a question from non-muslims, “How does one know that some of Devil’s verses are still in the Quran.

    The topic is taboo and not any specific text in the book Satanic Verses.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,
    You made PrahaladK accept that he is a committed Congressi. I always had that hunch reading those posts where he blindly supported congress and always figured out BJP hand out of nowhere.

    Well done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Actually, Prahlad is a simple guy, he couldn’t, perhaps, keep the secret for long.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Only an extreme dumb needs a magnifying glass to interpret my posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You thought people were dumb. Now you are accepting you are congressi propagandist working with Congress-Jihadi group on this blog.

    Now that you have accepted your bias, why should neutral observers on this blog take your words seriously?

  • Anonymous

    One of the wittiest day of this blog.

    Shenoy, Vijay, Mohan are at their best.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Sonam

    I am nursing a bit of a sore back after three extended days of tennis and unable to drive and was on the net… But then it was good fun and a serious topic mixed in a cocktail !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome Sonam. It is good to have voice of ladies on blog dominated by men.

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  • Anonymous

    FRIENDS, HERE IS AN HONEST, TRUE CONFESSION FROM ENGRICH.
    THE VERY FIRST TIME IN PRINT:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Repeating Sonam’s words.

    Shenoy at his best. Brilliant.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well ISI agents dole levels have fallen… as gutter hi reh gaya hai…

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    engrich Reply:

    shenoyv truth is,

    In a huge country like India with a population of 1,300 million, the world’s second largest, but ranking 119 in UN Human Development Index, poverty-stricken, illiterate and yet less than 15% upper castes jumping with joy — its rulers are always manufactured, advertised and thrust on the starving billions.
    This has been so from the days of Gandhi and Nehru. All the “leaders”, cheered and paraded by the 15% upper castes are thrust on our innocent people in a highly manipulated, rigged elections. All this is common knowledge.
    MAGIC FORMULA
    The Brahminists rule India by adopting a superb magic formula:
    Keep the people starved, illiterate, superstitious and caste divided.
    Such humans reduced to bones and animal level can be easily managed to surrender and serve the Brahminists injecting a heavy dose of their poisonous religion.
    Non-Hindu Muslims and Christians are dubbed anti-national and silenced. That is how even a proven terrorist party like the RSS-BJP gets elected

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  • Anonymous

    When Rajiv Gandhi diluted the SC judgement in Shah Bano case, Congress had absolute majority.

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  • Anonymous

    What is Modi really scared of?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/What-is-Modi-really-scared-of/articleshow/11610037.cms

    Excerpt

    Even though the Gujarat Lokayukta Act,1986, can do nothing to a chief minister, the Gujarat government is hiring top-most legal eagles to challenge the appointment of Justice (retd) RA Mehta as lokayukta in the Supreme Court. The reason? It appears that Modi is afraid that a lokayukta indictment may become a political bombshell and mar his chances of moving to the “next orbit”. Having supported Anna Hazare in pitching for a strong Lokpal, Modi fears public opinion and not the lokayukta per se.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    brother topic cannot be diverted today…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who says?

    BTW: it is fun to see your and your fellow travelers’ discomfort.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    When was last, any discussion stayed on course ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    They have a massive problems if other topics are opened for discussion, which probably makes them squirm and cringe. They have no such problem (and probably think only they have the mandate to do so) if they divert from the main topic.

    Double standards is the name of the game.

  • Anonymous

    MHA refutes Gehlot claim on Rushdie plot

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2829234.ece

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar for your observations. Indeed, Rushdie affair take governance to a new low. I am an admirer of modi for his administrative acumen but even here, unbridled power should not be allowed.

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    engrich Reply:

    I am an admirer of modi for his administrative acumen but even here, unbridled power should

    u admire him only because he killed muslims.otherwise man who was using his police and petty gundaas to extract money desrve jail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not many of his supporters (even here) think like you.

    When the High Court recently gave its judgment, the judge was very critical of Mod. I suppose you must have read it. Basically, he was telling, who he thinks he is?

    I am no admirer of Modi. However, if you must have noticed, I do not bad mouth such people, unlike some here – the war is on in full swing – abuse and personal attacks, I need not name the culprits.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I read Moor’s last sigh… a decade back or so. His literal lamentation for the lost glory of Islam is 100 times more genuine than some blogger’s defence of present day Islam, the way it is practiced now.

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    engrich Reply:

    when spain finished india started.india lost.turkey is going to start soon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Religions have always been used by their (not so holy) practitioners for their own ends (mostly nefarious).

    Many of the Islam’s present day protagonists are the worst offenders and the tragedy is that there is no critical mass to tell them – enough is enough.

    We had the same experience in the 90s with our own as attempts were made to make it monotheistic with a promise of a grand temple and the rest told them – go take a walk.

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    engrich Reply:

    mr mohan all the muslim countries in the world are run on reason not on religion.actually if u read christian history,they used christianity to suppress people.muslims are tolerant by nature.that is why 20 million hindus working in muslim coutries want to stay there.
    islam was gift to people of india.why this nonstop hate compaign against them.

  • Anonymous

    Are these elections in many states going to be fair ?

    Interesting article

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/randomaccess/entry/paper-ballots-are-expensive-so-faulty-evms-are-fine-right-ec

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Appointment of Navin Chawla was first step towards returning EC to pre-Sheshan days. This Quraishi guy is considered to be close to congress and being a muslim he is bound to be opposed to BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    In spite of the fact that the EVMs can be tampered with (but extremely difficult), going back to paper ballots is not the solution, which are subject to greater tampering. There is enough evidence of it from the past that the latter process was abused left , right and centre.

    We have to trust (and most of us do) the Election Commission, who have shown that they do their best and make sure that there is no ‘hanky-panky’ with process of actual voting with all its powers at its command and limitations in terms of infrastructure and manpower. The classic example was the last assembly elections in Bihar. If the EC was biased (as it has been ‘accused’ of here), would the results have been different from the actual ones?

    I believe with this elections or the next one, the EC is looking at keeping a paper trail. The system of voting will always be work-in-progress.

    I suspect that the votaries of ‘Back to Paper Ballots’ have a some other agenda.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi, you have posted that the very mention of the sentence The Satanic verses , gets the muslims lungoat in a knot. Well this a copy and paste from a serious islamic scholar
    To repeat, Rushdie did not originate the satanic verses. Nor did Jews, Christians or other non-Muslims. Our information about the satanic verses and the circumstances surrounding their revelation stems from the reputable Muslim accounts of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d. Muslims today who simply dismiss the account of these writers as fabricated and unhistorical must at least answer the question why such reputable persons would report it. The question is not new. But, it seems, a serious Muslim response is hard to find.

    Has anybody seen the film by a CATHOLIC Martin Scorsesse, THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, the premise is christ has having second thoughts as to all this “son of god” business was worth the effort , or better he fantansises life with Mary Magdalene(a former prostitute , but converted by christ)
    Or for that matter THE PASSION OF CHRIST , which shows in graphic detail the suffering of Christ when taken for crucifxation , with people yelling soldiers whipping , blood dripping from everywhere, JEWS DID LINE UP IN FRONT OF CINEMA HALLS AS A PROTEST, which only made Mel Gibson a very rich man .
    But there what it ended.

    THE PROBLEM WITH ISLAM IS THAT A TINY MINORITY WITH HYPER ACUTE SEX DRIVE IS SETTING THE AGENDA , AND THEY HAVE AS MUCH SCHOLARSHIP AND OBJECTIVITY AS THE NUMBER OF FUNCTIONING BRAIN CELLS IN A MULTI INFARCT DEMENTIA PATIENT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    I think you are hell bent on tightening Achkans of Ravi and group today. These guys are helpless to say anything to you because if they do they will loose valuable ally in you. You have protected Ravi’s group from so-called right wingers for so long. Please continue to provide protection to this Congressi-Jihadi nexus.

    I have always enjoyed your posts because you believe in fighting battles not war.

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    engrich Reply:

    salman wrote this novel when he was unemloyed had no money.penguine paid 5 million pound.hindus give it importance to tease muslims like in the cas of five time divorced tasleema nasreen.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You prophet too was poor boy employed by rich woman. He became rich by fooling the rich woman and usurped her money.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    keep ur a$$ shut.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Forget about others, but you please temper your language. If someone abuses you, ignore it and the abuse should stop.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamic pig,

    why are you abusing anybody who mentions your prophet?

    engrich Reply:

    he is the father of 20%people of india.i never abuse anybody prophet.this is also banned in hinduism like in islam.

    engrich Reply:

    THE PROBLEM WITH ISLAM IS THAT A TINY MINORITY

    every community has some people like this.all other adjectives of no use.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    ” THE PROBLEM WITH ISLAM IS THAT A TINY MINORITY WITH HYPER ACUTE SEX DRIVE IS SETTING THE AGENDA , AND THEY HAVE AS MUCH SCHOLARSHIP AND OBJECTIVITY AS THE NUMBER OF FUNCTIONING BRAIN CELLS IN A MULTI INFARCT DEMENTIA PATIENT”

    What you have written is a small problem. The real big problem is that our
    appeasing, coward government succumbs to their threats without even a
    shred of fight. These lunatic can be easily handled . Two years bank
    when Bal Thakre said that he would not allow SRK’s movie My Name is Khan
    to be released, whole police of Bombay came into action to prevent Shiv Sena
    from creating any problem. Movie was released without anybody getting hurt. If government WANTS they can easily control these loony fanatics.

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  • Anonymous

    “Shoot-and-scoot”

    Why has Sharma not used these words for Digvijay and Rahul who regularly indulge in this kind of tactics?

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  • engrich

    Pankaj#1 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
    Never ever. You lie so shamelessly that knows no limit. You had said that there were no Ram mandirs in UP/ India, some blogs back. While there are lakhs of them everywhere. Now your ignorance is not even laughable, let alone getting angry with

    DR PANKAJ PLEASE CHECK FROM DR MISHRA FROM ALLABAD THAT DID HE EVER SAW ANY RAM TEMPLE ANYWHERE IN ALLAHABAD OR HINDI SPEAKING BELT.
    go to ayodhya meet with ex-bjp mp from there and see his anger with bjp.how brhmnst hurted that area when u go u will see.ram was backward.bhoodevta has to be brhmn.somebody has given u wrong information.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Any Ram Mandir in Allahabad or Hindi speaking belt??? I attended one in my childhood. Has Hindustan become total islamic in last 40 years???

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    tell me where.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not yet.

    But this blog has been taken over by Islamic pig and two of his supporters.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    ram mandir movement was part of larger plan of hindu zoinists to destroy india and make money out of it.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is rediff slideshow on ideological brothers of Ravi and Engrich & their congressi supporters.

    This is how IM (Indian/Islamic Mujahideen) worked-
    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-the-terror-tale-of-indian-mujahideen/20120124.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The question is “Is Ravi Yaseen Bhatkal and Engrich Riyaz Bhatkal?”

    Manohar and sundry may be other members of IM..Who knows? ;)

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    rajeev i liked it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are brave to admit that you are IM worker, working hard to uphold constitution of India.

    engrich Reply:

    im do not exist.muslims are harassed and robbed by using this name.neverthless i liked ur joke.dont cross limits.

  • Anonymous

    Did Digvijay father Engrich and Ravi? It looks like…

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/digvijays-fresh-ploy-to-divide-bjps-leadership-in-up1/20120125.htm

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    engrich Reply:

    did ur mother told u.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No your ammi told me that.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    but u dont know her.this was secret between diggy and ur mother.

    Anonymous Reply:

    stupid Islamic pig spreading hatred on this blog.

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  • Anonymous

    BORED BORED BORED SALMAN WHO CARES
    ____________________________________________________all of u got fooled. In west here, this is ultimate ploy. Chada do muslims ko chaney ki jhaad mein, and Rushdie is laughing all way to bank account. All publicity you all generste, he loves it.
    I only want to know opinion of these muslims, Usman, Shoeb, Parvez, Riswan ( not Ravi or engrich). Do u guys care at all what this ugly idiot has written, or whether he is banned for 1 week or 10 years??
    Also rajeev, vijay, shenoy and gopi, do u agree that Salman is ugly outside, ugly inside, ie, selfish manipulator. Also did Padma Lakshmi griimace when she had to kiss his ugly face or was she also laughing allaway to alimony bank. Hehe

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your knowledge of english literature in general and salman rushdie in particular is as good as the importance of chastity to a *****.
    You should consider yourself priviledged if you got the chance to kiss the shoes of salman rushdie

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Singulate Shan,

    your analogy of the ***** is SINGULARLY inappropriate to the situation we are dealing with in India, including Balwinder’s comment on it.

    If I do not have money, it doesn’t mean I do not consider money as important.

    A ***** may not be allowed by bachelors like you to retain her chastity, but, does it mean that she doesn’t or cannot know the importance of chastity?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    It may be a good idea to stick to attacking only the members of the out-group. The moment you attack any one from the in-group, they will tighten their own lungoats.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    “Attacking’ the ‘out-group’ totally disorients them. So does if any opinion or criticism is directed at in-group’s objects of hate by any of the members of the so called ‘out-group’.

    They are only ‘comfortable’ by putting people in tight compartments (as defined by them) – Them – vs – Rest and then attacking the rest. They are unable to deal with anyone who does not fit into these two classifications. Seems, they follow the KISS principle – Keep It Simple, Stupid.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ voices critical of salman WILL LOVE OSAMAJI AND DIGVIJAY ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    As a test case we can have a poll on the people you love and hate on this very sute.

    The very voices which are hitting out at Salman Rushdie in various forms– Ravi, Engrich etc– will put up their hands for love for Osamaji and Digvinash SIngh.

    This can be tried out now…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    in 1986, when Satanic Verses was banned, the secular advisor to Rajiv Gandhi was One Digvijay Singh, who, later attained great notoriety as Digvinash Singh.

    It is learnt that this time too, Sonia Mata was properly and adequately advised by this same Digvinash Singh that the ban on Salman Rushdie would instantly get millions of Muslim votes en-block in the UP elections.

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  • Anonymous

    A proverb of Confucius : If you cannot fight rape, better lie down on enjoy the act.

    Indian cricketers in Adelaide are enjoying.

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  • Anonymous

    Ban – vs – Forfeiture
    —————————

    Reading ‘Satanic Verses’ legal

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Reading-Satanic-Verses-legal/articleshow/11622048.cms

    Excerpt

    The technical term for banning a book in India is “forfeiture”. This is provided in Section 95 of the Criminal Procedure Code under which every copy of the book could be declared “to be forfeited to government” and the police might therefore “seize the same wherever found in India” and the magistrate might issue warrants to search “any premises where any such book may be or may be reasonably suspected to be”.

    But this sweeping provision was never invoked in the case of Satanic Verses, although India earned the dubious distinction on October 5, 1988 of being the first country in the world to have banned that book of Salman Rushdie. All that the Rajiv Gandhi government instead did was to ban the import of the book.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Interesting.

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  • Anonymous

    1) Headlines in today’s print edition of TOI, on the eve of Republic Day.

    The Republic Loses To The Mob.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/11622089.cms

    2) Rushdie splits Indian Muslims

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/11622374.cms

    3) Playing with fire
    Ashok Malik
    Jan 23, 2012

    Excerpt

    Rajiv Gandhi’s motivations were decidedly domestic. His Congress government was in the midst of turbulence, caused by the surrender to conservative Muslim opinion in the Shah Bano case in 1986. To compensate for it, Gandhi then opened the locks to a contested shrine in Ayodhya, and so began a downward spiral. The Satanic Verses ban was the next milestone.

    What were the two salient consequences of that period of 1986-88? First, by the early 1990s, it had triggered a Hindu backlash, gratefully exploited by the BJP, and cost the Congress heavily. Second, it took a toll on civil liberties and artistic freedom. Till Satanic Verses, book bans in India did take place but were relatively few. After October 1988, stated and unstated bans became an epidemic.

    Victims ranged from James Laine (who wrote a biography of Shivaji) to M F Husain (every exhibition of whose, even those featuring paintings not even remotely objectionable, was threatened). State sensitivity to street sentiment reached such ridiculous levels that when Da Vinci Code was released in 2006, Priyaranjan Das Munshi, then the information and broadcasting minister, held back the film from cinemas till he had reviewed it in the company of Catholic priests. Tellingly, the censor board had already cleared the film.

    India became the first country in the world where the national government stepped in to take a decision on Da Vinci Code. This would not have happened – and those who hounded out Husain from his beloved India not been emboldened – if it hadn’t been for the Satanic Verses precedent.

    ——————

    Today I feel less proud to be an Indian.

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    engrich Reply:

    shah bano case was attack on muslim personal lawHUSBAND OF SHAH BANO WAS GIVING HER IRS 500/PER MONTH WHILE SUPREME COURT RECOMMENDED 172 ONLY.BUT HINDU ZOINISTS WERE WEEPING.

    all these agitations including RAM MADIR movement is part of hindu zoinists plan of destroying india.if u dont believe,go and ask the reality from people of ayodhya.
    there is 100%unemployment, from last ten years no progress at all,but ram bhakts collected 4000 crores from poor indian which is 40000 crote,and passing life in eating `entertainment sex and cheating.4 pillars of indian brhmnsm.

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  • Anonymous

    Sheila Dixit says NO to Slaman Rushdie visiting Delhi.

    Congress Neta sleeping with Muslim terrorists—TOI quoting Salman.

    Et tu, Sheila Auntie?

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    i hope again india will not issue visa to a criminal who insulted the father of 20%people of india.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    i hope next time goi will not issue visa to him.he is part and pacel of larger brhmnst plan of destroying india.they are same people who used to beat lawyers who will defend bomb blast acuused,wrongly implicated by police.ultimately truth came out.proven terrorists are in jail.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev,

    you said, “Shan,
    I think you are hell bent on tightening Achkans of Ravi and group today. These guys are helpless to say anything to you because if they do they will loose valuable ally in you. You have protected Ravi’s group from so-called right wingers for so long. Please continue to provide protection to this Congressi-Jihadi nexus.”

    Actually recent posts of Shan have completely disoriented Ravi gang of Jihadi thugs.
    They can neither clap nor abuse him. It must be hurting the jihadis as well as the congressi troll very badly, as the criticism-in fact, it is abuse of Muslims- is coming from a long term ally and friend of jihad.

    It would be very interesting to wait and watch for the “Islamic fundoos’ reactions”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I do not think Shan Sir has really aligned with a definite “main stream ” political thought as yet. Infact, I see him more like a free bird – discovering life as he moves along. Apart from having a definite profession ( being a doctor ), he has been open to ideas from all around. I guess in few years, he will have more definite ideas that he can call his own even risking and compromising on his idealism and embracing the imperfect world. The symphony is in making.

    Having said that, I think he has been brutally honest with his opinions. I hope your admiration for Shan Sir is not temporary and opportunistic. I hope you will keep clapping for him always.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    “I hope you will keep clapping for him always”.

    Not if their ‘holy cows and bulls’ are slammed. Then a volley of abuses is the weapon. Who said anything about clapping?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahalad Sir,
    You can do all the chamchagiri but Shan will kick for sorry congressi a$$ for sure. He is the only guy without bias whom you want to use for your own bias.
    Sorry buddy..he will kick your rear so hard even Rahul Chalisa won’t help.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Aaj Modi Modi rape rape se bhi topic nahi divert hone waala…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You choose a topic and time at your convenience.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaj bharat ko sach ka saamna karna padega

    Jeet kya Congress, jehadis, fundoos ki hogi…

    Ya prajatantra, loktantra, sach aur secularism is desh mein phir goonjenga ???

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Looks like Diggy Raja Palace left some impression on you !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Its really a gr8 place. I have stayed in the most opulent hotels at times, including the most opulent in Macau and some luxurious ones in India like Oberois, fort Aguada, Taj…

    But winter Afternoon beer at Diggy palce on a charpai, with pretty brids bustling around… and writers bumping into each other was an out fo the world experience.

    Two pretty birds thought I too was a “famous” writer. I sipped in the beer, looked into their eyes and then heavily pronounced that “You and the world have to discover me…”

    Swapan Dasgupta and Barkha Dutt, who were standing in the food que, just a meter away, turned around, trying to recognise me.

    Wont happen now. Too much media there. Plus the gr8 Indian tamashsa of politicians and fundoos wnating to hog the limelight over the writers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    What are you doing in that “Sarkari Lt. festival” ? Looks like it’s difficult for you to resist the sarkari things.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Happened a few years back. Long story. My agent thought and still thinks I have talent. i still ahve to convince myself I actually have it.

    Wanted me to meet a few gora agents… I thought it would be gud fun. And honestly it was. Aamir khan too had turned up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anyway I wont call it a srakari lit fest. It only became sarkari bcos the sarkar wanted to ban rushdie and put its imprint.

    Namita Gokhale and William Darymple have done a huge job and so have the owners of the hotel. I had the opportnity to compliment Darymple for “city of Djinns,” something which I had been wanting to do for years…

    The Cow dung just outside the hotel added to the Indian tamasha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You only called it ” Sarkari”, just few days back. Change of heart !

    Anonymous Reply:

    You should actually ‘meet’ a lot of gori agents and make them read your story while you………

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Shenoy

    I have had my share of goris in my life… :)

    But that they say is another story !!

  • engrich

    Ex-ISRO chief G Madhavan Nair barred from govt jobs
    Press Trust Of India
    New Delhi, January 25, 2012First Published: 10:00 IST(25/1/2012)
    Last Updated: 10:06 IST(25/1/20120

    TEEN DESHBHAKHTS CAUGHT.nothing will happen to them.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    yesterday, on Times TV, Vinod Mehta said, to the surprise of all viewers and other panelists that Salman Rushdie was in close, continuous and two way contact witht eh four Indian writers, who read out portions of the banned novel, Satanic Verses.

    It means that he has informed them the correct legal position vis-a-vis the ban on the novel.

    Salman Rushdie himself has said on NDTV that the ban pertains only to the import of the book at the point of the customs and nothing else. He also said that Rajiv Gandhi himself had said, while banning the book that the ban in no way reflected on the literary value of the book, which was very high.

    How, then, can you accuse the four Indian writers of “shooting and scooting”? Why should they scoot after ’shooting’, if it is not illegal to read, even in public, the novel?

    For your information, the police have clarified that there is no warrant against them.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    It is really sad that when eminent journalists write about people who have
    supposedly committed a crime without checking the law and its implications.

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  • Anonymous

    “With cheap theatrics like reading passages from Satanic Verses, the Kunzrus, Joshis and Thayils of the literary world came across as stuntmen rather than fighters for a cause. These armchair revolutionaries deserted the post at the first hint of a crisis.

    Those unwilling to risk arrest cannot die for a cause. They aren’t worth anybody’s time or attention.”

    Would not many in the country find these lines more apt for Rahul Gandhi ? or Mommy Sonia Gandhi….or Cho chweet Priyanka..all fighting with all their might and trying new tricks and gimmicks each day … now that the day of reckoning is so near …whther the Rahul Gandhi”s the Prince Charming of the Congress Party ..career sinks or rises …to head the govt of the country

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ NEW SWAN SONG FOR THE CONGRESS ~~ 80′S hit now hitting COngress ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Here is a song which describes the Congress for all its worth. A song which Sanjay Dutt sang in Rocky.

    LeT ko Salaam,
    Afzal Guru ko salaam

    Congress mera naam, Congress merra naam
    Congress meraaa naaaaaaaaaaaam !!!!!!!!!

    Osmaji ko salaam
    Fundoos ko salaam

    Congress mera naam, COngress mera naam
    Congress meraaaa naaaaaaammmm !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Thx for the song!
    It is going to hum in my head for long !
    The congress has shot itself in the foot
    We now need to give it the boot !

    We now seem as fanatic as those countries like Paksitan and Iran where people got themselves killed protesting against Rushdie at the British Embassy. Surpsringly the COngress is sitting coy, collecting all the supposed votes it gets by parroting hardline stuff.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even the so called high priestess of free voice… Arundhati Roy … is missing in action for fellow writer. She must be preparing a 34 page unreadable article on how it is important that Gilani be allowed to speak and Salman Rushdie made to shut up !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Indian Express reported that she was “wailing”.

    Looks like all her raining fire and brimstone is reserved for Hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is there an actual report in the Express? Knowing a few writers, I can bet that she would have actually fumed that so many 100,000 of satanic verses will sell now and that Salman is now closer to the Nobel prize now…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is there an actual report in the Express? Knowing a few writers, I can bet that she would have actually fumed that so many 100,000 of satanic verses will sell now and that Salman is now closer to the Nobel prize now…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, the wailing was about Salman’s good fortune.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo, Vijay Kumar,

    first you bandage the foot, to enable the party scoot when you boot it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gud one !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    The sad state is that BJP does not present a better credible alternative to Congress — so the average voter who is interested in his “family” will go with the known garbage than the unknown garbage.

    They have to project and articulate an image that they can do for India what they have done in Gujrat – 24 hr electricity, jobs, business growth, roads, …

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  • Anonymous

    Fresh setback for Modi, probe in more fake gunbattles ordered

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Setback-for-Narendra-Modi-SC-orders-probe-into-fake-encounters/articleshow/11627125.cms

    Excerpt

    In yet another setback to Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, the Supreme Court on Wednesday directed a panel headed by former apex court Judge M B Shah to investigate over 20 cases of alleged fake gunbattle killings in the state between 2003 and 2006.

    ———–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Aaj, as I said, MOdi Modi Rape rape… se bhi kuch nahin hone waala!!

    The topic is freedom of speech versus the fundoos and the termites. Let that play….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I heard you earlier.

    Freedom of Speech and related topics are also being discussed. In fact, I have posted a lot of links and comments about the shameful behaviour of the Congress Party. – didn’t you notice?

    If anything is not to your taste or conformity – ignore it – the best weapon anyone can have.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well have you ever seen ME abusive?

    I Would have only reacted when INDIA was beign attacked by jehadi termites.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I complimented you for not being abusive while responding to Ravi earlier. That is why I continue to discuss issues (whichever you wish to) with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I complimented you for not being abusive while responding to Ravi earlier. That is why I continue to discuss issues (whichever you wish to) with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    the secular fundoos here will talk about Deen Dayal Upadhyaya, Modi, dalit rapes, encounter specialist Daya Nayak and 5000 vrores he has made etc., etc., etc.

    But, somehow the resounding slap of surrender to Islamic terrorists and extremists at Jaipur will not go away.

    For these trolls you can say this:

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    engrich Reply:

    they only register their protest in peaceful democratic manner.
    for the sake money he insulted his father(prophet mohammed)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Both Mr Modi and Ms Mayawati maintained a very autocratic administration. As the time passes, more and more skeletons will tumble out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ prahlad sir

    But the biggest skeleton would be the capitulation of the COngress to the fundoos and then attempts to divert the topic onto Modi and BJP !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Congress has been on course for last few decades, barely changing. It’s BJP who has identity crisis. To be or not be – congress. More they try to change, more they look like Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji Sirji,

    if you find some time, please read the autocratic way in which our first nominated democrat PM, Jawaharlal Nehru ran his government. In comparison, you woulkd say Modi/Mayawati are the most democratic in their administration.

    Nehru ran to the UN with a complaint against Pakistan’s aggression in Kashmir, without consulting his cabinet.

    He later accepted plebiscite, again without consulting anybody.

    Again, he ordered our army to “drive the Chinese out”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Whatever skeletons had to come out of Mr Nehru’s administration have already been out. The country is yet to see all skeletons from Mr Modi and Ms Mayawati’s administrations.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Even if Congress is able to find few skeletons in
    their cabinets, I do not think it will make much difference. Ms. Mayawati will use her caste to come
    out of the jam and will succeed till some extent also.
    Where Mr. Modi is concerned, few skeletons – if they manage to get – will not
    harm him at all. He has a huge following in Gujarat
    and it is spreading all over India .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    You are right to a large extent. Ms Mayawati would play Dalit Card. Mr Modi is popular in Gujrat. As more and more skeletons come out, it will impact BJP adversly on the national stage. Hardening its public image of Double Speak.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘ As more and more skeletons come out ‘

    Already gloating just by thinking that this will happen and in process BJP will suffer.
    Isn’t it Prahlad?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Smelling blood.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Shall I put this reply of yours in the category of sense of humor or
    you real mean it ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree. Their supporters think otherwise, unless it happens to be others – read Congress.

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    engrich Reply:

    sonia is the only hope of india.she must be helped and supported.she is the only politician who can stand strong against hindutva gundaagardi and their criminal plan of destroying inia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Modi is the most hounded CM of India. Never in the history of independent
    India has the government at the center tried to discredit any CM of
    opposition party as it is being done with Mr. Modi. This shows that this government is really very scared of this gentleman. Somehow they want to
    remove him from the political scene before next general elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Are you using the Central Govt. and Courts as interchangeable entities ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    If they are really scared of him, then the BJP and his supporters must rejoice and bring him on the national stage. Nitin Gadkari has already floated the balloon to see the reactions. Though the timing may not be right – IMO he should have waited until after these elections.

    However, this order has come from the Supreme Court, which is independent of the Government or you think it is otherwise?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar/Prahlad,

    I wish I also had a faith in independence of courts in India as you both have.

    engrich Reply:

    till killer modi is on banned visa list of america he can not be considered for top post.moreover i think he will go to jail before that.a murderer and gundaa can only be praised in hindu rashtra,not in civilized society.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    Here is some more to ‘divert’ your attention.

    ———-
    The siren song of Hindutva

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/The-siren-song-of-Hindutva/Article1-801736.aspx

    Excerpt

    Federalism – the constitutional acceptance of diversity – is compatible with ideological acceptance of multiple cultures. It is here that the BJP’s celebration of federalism is at variance with its commitment to Hindutva. The latter is widely seen by social scientists like Christophe Jaffrelot, John Zavos and Jyotirmaya Sharma as an attempt at making the loose network of Hinduism monolithic, organised and regimented.

    In this sense, Hindutva fits better with a unitary state with an all-powerful Centre. Little wonder then that Jana Sangh ideologue Deen Dayal Upadhyaya, who the BJP swears by till date, strongly advocated a unitary state in India. He wrote in his work Integral Humanism: “Our constitution needs amendment. We are one nation, one society. However, despite all this, we made our constitution federal. It runs counter to the unity and indivisibility of Bharat. Therefore, our constitution should be unitary instead of federal.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But for me the topic of the day would be the COngres song

    “LeT ko salaam
    Afzal guru ko salaam…

    Deen Dayal Uphadhaya died 35 years back. A writers voice is being throttled today at Jaipur. So why obfuscate?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Has anyone tried stopped you from singing?

    Obfuscation is discussing something else to the exclusion of the topic in question. I have posted so many links (many today itself) re: Salman Rushdie controversy, please make an effort to read them also.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    They have not only throttled the voice of a writer, but they have given
    the licence to the loony fanatics to attack the freedom of speech
    whenever they want. A very bad and a very sad precedent has been set
    I foresee a dangerous with full of violence future of our country.
    The sooner this government goes will be better for India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imagine… L:ibya has UNBANNED satanic verses. And I saw it in the bookstores in Istanbul.

    Yahaan par blackmail and naatak jaida hai.

    I think Shoeb or Rizwan talked about getting the real issues of Muslims like education into the debate. But NO. The Congress will want tokenism and instead shift the debate to what they did to Rushdie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Blackmail yes, but it is not a naatak. This is a long term plan to increase the influence
    of fanatics and congress is willingly supporting this.

    engrich Reply:

    hindu zoinists and jewish zoinist are cousins.one wrote this other provided propaganda to market it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    By ‘insisting’ that no other topic be discussed, aren’t you reflecting the same mindset of the ‘loony fanatics’s, who said anyone but Salman Rushdie?

    Pandit Nehru died 48 years ago.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Lagta hai aaj aap bilkul free baithe hain. Reading all the news.
    I am surprised that people are still writing about Hindutva. Does Hinduvata
    really matter to Indian public ? It is a non issue. This is just a feeble ploy
    to divert the attention of the people from the failures of this government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    anti-Hindu journos like this Jyotirmay Sharma, who is a favourite of NDTV, have made a career out of running down Hindus.

    Now when the whole of India is discussing the nautanki of Sonia brigade (which includes, unfortunately, our dear friend, the ever smiling Vinod Sharma), which is now doing a lavani, these secular fundoos try to keep the home fire burning by writing about Hindutva.

    The congressi troll, as you said, and as Vijay wrote, desperately trying to side track from the nautanki.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I have read few articles written by this gentleman Mr. Sharma.
    I normally avoid reading anything written by people whose
    articles are usually one sided.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I completed a project yesterday and yes taking it easy today.

    Hindutva does not matter to large majority of the people. The articles in question is about the BJP. I wish they let it go (with due permission of the RSS, which is unlikely) and occupy the right of the centre space and make a difference to the polity. They do have some very capable leaders like Arun Jaitley and Sushma Swaraj.
    At the moment, it is riding two horses and falling on its face more often than not and unable to take on the Congress effectively.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes, here I agree with you that BJP has to bring their house
    in order. I am sure they are working on that, but on second
    thought, I am not really sure.

  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    Today, the Indians at Adelaide were made to toil again.

    Do you think the Republic Day will bring luck to India tomorrow?

    Wait a minute – 26th January also happens to be Australia Day (equivalent to our Republic/Independence Day), so who will be more lucky?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Indian cricketers are enjoying being raped by Australians. Why should they stop
    something, which they are enjoying. Only question is whether this game will be finished
    tomorrow or day after.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad dude stop calling everyone here Sir, very disorienting man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some cheapskates here, you dont know them well- are just scumbags

    Balwinder uncle- what do educated muslims think about Rushdie ? well Parvez
    can answer for himself but for me Rushdie and Hussain MF are irritants. They churn things up man, and in the controversies that follow they bring out the islamophobia of Indian society.

    And if that is not bad enuff then you have Pakistanis like Ravi coming here and saying dangerously stupid statements like ‘oh look at India, it is as intolerant as our pakistan’ and that further angers the right wingers like rajeeev and then THERE IS MORE ISLAMOPHOBIA

    so rizzy baby says-
    -Ravi, and ilk, keep your sweet jehadi asses on that side of the border. yes you heard right- THAT side of the border where doolallys like you rot
    - any more Rushdies and Hussains, pl pack yr bags, leave India, dont come back. There are some honest muslims here trying to earn their living in peace

    you are right Balwinderji, who cares for these scumbags

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    Anonymous Reply:

    sorry rizzy is in fowl mood cos our our pathetic cricketers man. i mean how bad does it get
    sack Dhoni grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan,

    I agree with you about M F, but not about Salman Rushdie. Nobody knew who this guy was. If the government had not banned his book, nothing would have happened and
    in few years everybody would have forgotten this book. Banning by India had a domino
    effect worldwide and all the Muslim countries followed India. In the process this guy became famous and rich. Now he is just the tool in the hand of fanatics who use him
    at their convenience.

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    engrich Reply:

    correct.most of the muslim countries have not banned.brhmnst of india banned him to provide publicity to him.u live in dubai.uae never banned him

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    like anna is creation of hindu zoinism mediocre rushdie is creation of international zoinism.he is created to be discussed.

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    engrich Reply:

    rizwan u are very right.balwinderjee too was right on this point.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan,

    don’t blame Prahlad, please. It is in the nature of some congressies to do ‘ji huzoor’ and Sirji to all, which they believe will take them nearer to Rahul Baba and if luck holds, to the “charan kamal” of the Imperial Rajmata herself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Now you are being wicked.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Till now I had not taken note of Mr Rizwan’s comment. Thanks for bringing it to my notice. I too address you “Sir”. I was not expecting a senior blogger like you to trivialize and mock somebody’s plain respect for people. I guess simple acknowledgement to politeness is too much to ask for these days ! Very sad !

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    Ravi Reply:

    Uncle Balwinder and Aunt Dr Mishra, sent this boy for a year’s sabbatical, to make a man out of him.

    It seems he modelled himself on Mary Shelly’s hero.

    He now spouts gibberish at regular intervals.

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  • engrich

    manohar-t jee,vijay shenoyv and ravi jee,

    Aishwarya Rai is of the Bunt / Shetty caste of Karnataka orchard.
    Bunts are a backward caste and VTR has written about it. Bunts are shudras. The oppressed people who have come from the feet of God. Aishwaraya proved to the world that she is the smartest and beautiful when she won the Miss World title. Brahmins the most cruel race in the world could never digest it. When Aishwarya Rai joined movies the brahmin and Bania toilet papers like Times of India, Hindu and Indian Express were seething with jealousy. They made claims that she does not know any acting. They always sided with their jatwallah actress like the maharistrian brahmins Madhuri Dixit and Sonali Bendre.
    The wily upper caste people in Bollywood tried to set up Aishwarya Rai with the upper caste wallahs. But our Shudra sister Aishwarya never relented. It was during this time when she was harassed by these papans that Salman Khan rescued her. Salman Khan being a muslim wanted to get married to Aishwarya Rai and save her from the oppressive Hindu caste system. A system which has crushed and oppressed our men and especially women. But the upper caste wallahs started spreading all kinds of rumors about Salman Khan. They called him a cocaine addict. These brahmins can go to any length. They will tell what suits their need. Finally they implicated Salman Khan in a fake accident case. They split these two people so that Aishwarya can stay in the evil Hindu caste system. This is what all these upper caste people have been doing to Dalits so that they can never escape from their tyranny.

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  • Anonymous

    Taking it personally

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/taking-it-personally/903601/

    Shiromani Akali Dal candidate and former SGPC president Bibi Jagir Kaur said that she would not rest in peace until she got her own back at the Election Commission officials who had registered cases against her, her family and associates, for allegedly trying to bribe voters with liquor. Earlier, she had been in trouble for her relative donating Rs 21,000 to a school in her constituency — an expense that was totted up to her campaign by the EC. However, Kaur was unapologetic — in fact, she was apoplectic, framing the EC’s decision as a personal affront that deserved retaliation. Instead of disclaiming her allegations, party leader and Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal echoed her indignation, claiming that the EC officials were coerced into the action, and that “FIRs would be registered against those who had filed the FIRs”.

    ———————
    Read on.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you want to see more examples of “Paid Journalism”, keep going back to that space. I have noticed it more than once. It is far too obvious.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    That is your view and I do not agree.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Pankaj

    Not many of his supporters (even here) think like you.

    “When the High Court recently gave its judgment, the judge was very critical of Modi. I suppose you must have read it. Basically, he was telling him who he thinks he is? I am no admirer of Modi……”

    As an independent observer of Indian politics, we can not act like Judge, Jury and Executionar. Modi has not been declared guilty as yet, and person is innocent till he is pronounced guilty. Center, with its enormous power is hell bent to destabalize him but he is still there. You are being no admirer of him is your prerogative.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    the entire anti-Modi camp is clutching at straws. Their “Brahmastra”, Sanjeev Bhatt is lying in tatters, battered by exposure of his falsehood, cheating, cyber-snooping, spying on colleagues etc.

    Do you remember, Vinodji’s blog on Bhatt and his so called strong evidence that would have nailed Modi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    In this case, Modi is not in the dock and the judge only passed severe strictures against him (this is not unusual it happens in other cases too, when the functionaries are pulled up or scolded like errant school children and may not form part of the judgment) and has not held him guilty of anything. The case pertains to constitutionality of the appointment of Lokayukta by the Governor in consultation with Chief Justice.

    Even for 2002, if you have noticed, I am very careful and do not brand him as guilty. Any reference to his role then is always prefixed by the word ‘alleged’.

    We need admire the same set of people.

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    engrich Reply:

    pankaj i am waiting ur reply on location of ram mandir in north india.why u are silent.

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  • engrich

    ultimately truth has come out from mouth of a kashmiri brhmn,

    Salman Rushdie is a “poor” and “sub-standard writer” who would have remained largely unknown but for his controversial book ‘Satanic Verses’, according to Markandey Katju, till recently a judge of the Supreme Court.

    Katju, who is now the chairman of press council of India, criticised the admirers of India-born author based in Britain, saying they suffered from “colonial inferiority complex” that a writer living abroad has to be great.

    “Salman Rushdie dominated the Jaipur Literature Festival. I do not wish to get into the controversy whether banning him was correct or not. I am raising a much more fundamental issue,” he said in a statement here.

    “I have read some of Rushdie’s works and am of the opinion that he is a poor writer, and but for ‘Satanic Verses’ would have remained largely unknown. Even ‘Midnight’s Children’ is hardly great literature,” Katju contended.

    He went on to add that the “whole problem with the so-called educated Indians of today is that they still suffer from the colonial inferiority complex. So whoever lives in London and New York must be a great writer, while writers living in India are inferior.”

    On the controversy surrounding Rushdie during the festival which ended yesterday, he said, “I am not in favour of religious obscurantism. But neither do I wish to elevate a sub-standard writer into a hero.”

    rss sponsor only 3rd rated people as tool to beat muslim.because of up elections.he should come secretly and go otherwise some body will break the a$$of this opportunist
    for insulting his prophet.

    ·

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    engrich Reply:

    stupid anna is another example.he is also brat of media.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The same justice Katju said, “Muslims are talibanising school educatrion by insisting on growing beards and wearing skull caps”. Later, he was threatened by Muslim terrorists and he apologised to the community.

    Now he is shamelessly passing judgement on “educated Indians” and he has the cheek to say “I am not in favour of religious obscurantism”!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This guy Justice Katju loves to be in limelight. He has a habit of
    giving silly comments and no only really takes him seriously any more.

    He can be described like this :

    Bewakoofon ki kami nahin hai hamare desh mein
    ek dhoondo to hazar milte hai
    rokra (cash) dhoondo to udhar milte hai

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    engrich Reply:

    Muslims are talibanising school educatrion by insisting on growing beards and wearing skull caps

    this is part of our culture.nobody is in favour of religious obscurantism”!
    it is only in india that monkey snake and ling can be found in every corner.

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  • engrich

    ANOTHER FEATHE R IN THE CAP OF OUR WOULD BE PM,

    In yet another setback to Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, the Supreme Court on Wednesday directed a panel headed by former apex court judge MB Shah to investigate over 20 cases of alleged fake gunbattle killings in the state between 2003 and 2006.
    The apex court bench headed by Justice Aftab Alam said that it was open to the monitoring authority headed by Justice Shah to constitute its own investigating team of police officers from within and outside the state.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Richard Dawkins, a famous author who has always criticised all the religions
    in world has given an interview supporting Salman Rushdie.

    Very interesting.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=748773

    Excerpt.

    Faith is a state of mind that leads people to believe in something – it doesn’t really matter what – without a whisper of doubt or a wisp of evidence; and believe it so strongly, in some cases they are prepared to kill and die for it without the need for further justification.

    “This is the terrifying thing about faith,”

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    engrich Reply:

    jews are agnostic so the hindutva.both are are worst species.they are secret perpetuators of all mascares,took place in last 300years.even if there is no god,its presence stops lacs of people doing bad things.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am getting convinced that you are pakistani. I have never seen any muslim badmouth both jews and hindus in same sentence. This is typical behavior of pakistanis.

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    engrich Reply:

    jews and brhmns(not hindus)are blood brother.they copy eachother.one did sept 11 other 26/11.

    engrich Reply:

    jews and brhmns(not hindus)are blood brother.they copy eachother.one did sept 11 other 26/11.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks

    Two other statements worth reproducing here.

    1) He said he believed it the US has already had an atheist President though no one has been open about the non-believer status.

    “Obama is an extremely intelligent man, he can’t be a believer” he said in jest and laughed.

    2) “The root cause (of fundamentalism) is bad education; the assumption that any child belongs to the religion of its parents is wicked. Children should be allowed to choose their own religion.”

    —–

    If only people could keep and practice their religious belief within four walls of their home!

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ GOEBBELS BOOKER FOR OBFUSCATION ~~ engrich leading by miles !!! ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Engrich you are a real nut case !! Normally I avoid you, but your post on Aishwariya rai and Salman Khan rescuing her from Caste opporession is the leader on Goebbels BOOKer prize !!

    Really funny ! Do you really beleive it? Arre bhai love is Love. She fell for Salman, then fell out as katrina has today…

    Only your creative guru could have thought of this mad cow dung !!

    Very funny !! I’ll send this to to the Jaipur Lit fest and ask Rushdie to do a magic realism on it …

    Ha ha ahaha AHAHHA !

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    engrich Reply:

    She fell for Salman

    pyar har hafte nahin hota hai

    ek bar hota hai saari zindagee rahta hai.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Like Mohammad loved nine times including 6 year old girl Ayesha.

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    zxc

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ram,

    Please, please never leave this blog. (Just don’t listen to these guys). No one else apart from you can discover this Brahmin-Jewish conspiracy angle in the case of Aishwarya dumping Salman. Please keep us getting enlightened by sharing your Dalit voice articles.

    By the way, earlier I had requested you to give the link for the source article. No intention of taking your credits away. You certainly are the only enlightened soul in the blog. But there are some not so nice guys here, who hold Muslims responsible to all these. For them,.. original source appears here.
    http://dalitnation.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/aishwarya-rai-a-victim-of-brahmin-conspiracy/

    One of the comments there in,
    “…. I am completely in agreement with the author. I also think Marlyn Monroe was a Dalit and John F Kennedy a Brahmin. We all know how Marlyn was exploited. She finally committed suicide. Shame on the Brahmins and Jews for killing Marlyn Monroe..”

    Lastly, India’s dismissal performance in Australia. Sachin, Dravid and Laxman.. all these Brahmins let India down. Can we expect another article in Dalit Nation soon? If it comes, please don’t forget to post it here. (Along with nude Kali idols, dirty origin of Indian Rishis etc..)

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    engrich Reply:

    vijay,

    I have closely followed the invasion of our city by terrorist,terrorist with four legs,wild boars ).Those with two legs ,in particular politicians,are one problem but far less difficult to eradicate than boars : boars have brains.because of theese wild boars indian cities are dirtiest in world.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys , you visit this blog with the hope of coming across something which is not covered by the news of the local TV of your area.
    Well two days ago in BBC2 Newsnight , there was a program on China. It showed something very ominous .Apparently all the animation work for London Olympics is outsourced from China. One thought only slave labour products are shipped out , NOW BANGALURU NEEDS TO BE WORRIED.
    The recent Padma Awards also very ominous for the future of INDIA.
    DHARMENDRA AWARDED PADMABHUSHAN, NEXT IN LINE SHOULD BE HE HE BALWINDER SANDHU, what a joke.
    I DID NOT SEE ANY SCIENTIST AWARDED ANY PADMA . AND NOW THER ARE HARANGUING MADHAVAN NAIR.
    Devi Shetty has been awarded, BUT HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE SCIENCE OF SURGERY IS ZERO.
    He has apparently devoloped a mass production Bypass Surgery Hospital, with good results. First the data may be dodgy. Bypass Surgery is the MOST SIMPLEST OF ALL CARDIAC SURGERY , NOW A DAYS IS DONE ON BEATING HEART WITHOUT BYPASS, THE IMPORTANT BIT IS PREOPERATIVE EVALUATION .
    My Teacher Prof Subir Chatterjee , who has written a world reknown book on Malformation of **** in children , with an experience of 2500 cases operated by him (he is 84yrs now), he is a member of Internation panel on this subject.
    Yet he has not even considered for a padmashree.
    MERA BHARAT MAHAN UP YOUR ARSE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Most of these Pama shree and Padma Bhushan are sold every year.
    This is one more way of making money for our politicians.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr cingulate disgusting dog dr shan, before you condemn all of bhrat ma with comments like up your ***, first shove a gora ling up yours.
    Your pig like attack on the noble Dr Devi Shetty who works 18 hour days tirelessly for janta and is revrred in whole world shows that you eere born in Sonagachi, whose prostitutes you are always prattling about. You junior doctor on SC reservation working in garbage Eastham hospital in Pakistani area, are like pubic louse compared to bharat ratna Dr Shetty.
    Dharmendra is clean evergreen hero who does lot of charity work in Punjab and is icon of Punjab. He set stage alight on Indias got talent show as much loved judge this year. So dirty mouth of gutter Dr Shan of cingulate slum, dont ever take swipe at him. Or me
    Cockroach brain, come on blog with manners, most hated man on blog. 35 years old still unmarried

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balls scratch your balls , I guess the following lines got your Kaccha in a twist, You may well claim padma award , by arguing that you are helping reducing punjab population and thus the chance of another khalistani movement by your KABUTERBAJI
    “The recent Padma Awards also very ominous for the future of INDIA.
    DHARMENDRA AWARDED PADMABHUSHAN, NEXT IN LINE SHOULD BE
    HE HE BALWINDER SANDHU, what a joke.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balls scratch your balls , I guess the following lines got your Kaccha in a twist, You may well claim padma award , by arguing that you are helping reducing punjab population and thus the chance of another khalistani movement by your KABUTERBAJI
    “The recent Padma Awards also very ominous for the future of INDIA.
    DHARMENDRA AWARDED PADMABHUSHAN, NEXT IN LINE SHOULD BE
    HE HE BALWINDER SANDHU, what a joke.”

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Friends,

    My best wishes to all of you for Republic Day.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaloke,
    thanks for that.tell me if muslim rulers were tyrannical why NO BRHMN EVER wrote a single book against them.can u name one underground movement carried out by them against muslim ruler.

    i asked this question with rss propagandist lie specialist guru gopi thomas also.
    but u both ran away.
    now u are writing imaginary bullshits why,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke–

    “Jhunda oonje rahe hamara…. vijayee viswathi renge pyare”

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    4 brothers of my community robbed india by 2 lakhs crores in antrix-deva scam.jai ho thurki maharaj kee.Jhunda oonje rahe hamara

    [Reply]

    engrich Reply:

    4 brothers of my community robbed india by 2 lakhs crores in antrix-deva scam.jai ho thurki maharaj kee.Jhunda oonje rahe hamara

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Everyone,
    I hope “Jhunda oonje rahe hamara…. vijayee viswathi renge pyara” under UPA rule..

    Subah kabhi to aayegi..vo subah kabhi to ayegi..

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  • Anonymous

    MY POSTS ARE CONTINUOUSLY GETTING FLAGGED OFF, SO I HAVE BROKEN MY POST IN 6 SMALLER PARTS AND REPLACED SOME VERY HOLY NAMES , LET ME SEE IF IT PASSES THROUGH .MY 6 POSTS WOULD BE SUBSEQUENT TO THIS POST.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    PART 1

    To find out solutions of a problem,I have always tried to go to root causes.My earlier posts were also based on my understanding and analysis of a problem and trying to find the root cause. Real solutions can be devised only by addressing root causes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    PART 2

    Many of my last posts have been devoted to Religion of Peace (ROP in short. My posts are getting flagged off hence I am using ROP instead of its actual name which starts with I and trying whether this post will go through. ). I do have strong interests in many other areas, but since I consider REAL understanding of ROP very important during these times, hence my posts on this topic. Even at the expense of sounding like a HINDU VERSION OF ENGRICH, let me take the discussion further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    PART 3

    First, A fear among our so called intelligentsia to speak forthrightly on subject of ROP. A trend has set in that if you talk clearly about ROP, you would be labeled Communal, ROPophobe. The way these so called people ( Mostly in Media , NGOs , Leftist circles ) have been raised, this tag implies that you are illiberal and hence can not be intelligent. Now there is a morbid fear of being thrown out of this circle. End result is we have to hear utterly useless Politically and many times Technically correct statements .Missing the total ESSENCE. This intelligentsia circle has much more soft power than they deserve. Most of them can articulate their point of view in very fine English. Many of this charmed circle start really believing these Politically correct statements . Most of them are totally lazy people who do not do their homework on the subject , but parrot familiar lines.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PART4

    Now coming to subject of this Blog, Rushdie denied or made to Skip Jaipur. Now what is the root cause. Reason apparently is , ROPians appear to be highly offended with what Rushdie has written ( Even though he has written a fiction and not named any ROPian Character directly, but very broadly hinted at them ).Similar or worse writings appear in case of Christianity and Hindus. recently some court in Russia was deliberating on Banning GITA. We find no such frenzy of protests. Politicians are not fools, they are intelligent people. They gauge mood of people and depending on situation, they can and tend to exploit it. Can politicians think of Garnering votes based on Banning of GITA episode? So the ‘basic mood’ to be exploited has to be there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PART 5

    What I had posted earlier also, Hindu communalism is only a very mild reaction to ROP Communalism. Hindu Communalism needs ROP communalism to survive. Without that , it has no standing of its own.On the other hand, ROP Communalism is a very strong component of ROP. The results of last 1400 years correspond with this . There is scriptural sanction and strong encouragement in ROP for the same. It has also been a very strong component in development of ROPian societies of past and it has survived in a very strong form even today.We can ignore such things which are no longer practised in societies, like Jewish communalism which theoretically is as rabidly Communal as ROP, but since it is hardly practised, we can ignore it or use it as our case study of some discussions.For ROP, there is an urgency.We have to speak truly even when it becomes Politically and Technically incorrect statement.We have to invite ROPians or cajole them for open discussions. What is the sure way of overcoming darkness, but by srtiking a light. Light of knowledge has to be struck. Giving an example of Root problems, What do you think are reasons for KASHMIR PROBLEM, PARTITION OF INDIA ? It is IROP IDEOLOGY – Simple and Clear.I can recount many many more examples.

    engrich Reply:

    KASHMIR PROBLEM, PARTITION OF INDIA ? It is IROP IDEOLOGY

    water is base of kashmir problems.graves of 600000 kashmiris tell the tale,who u are.u people need light.islam is source of light to entire universe,what u gave to world,

    Destroyed democracy in India
    Removed equality for women
    Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing.
    Divided people from socializing.
    Made life a misery to most of the population.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke Sir,

    your comment : …Many of this charmed circle start really believing these Politically correct statements ….
    -

    I can understand your frustration with this charmed circle. Since you try to understand the root cause, allow me to put forth one explanation in defence of this charmed circle.

    In India, you do not achieve anything naturally. Life in general is a struggle. one works hard to achieve something. Many a time, it takes a full generation of struggle to be at someplace. Besides, Indians are family centric.

    So people hesitate to go beyond a boundary to fight the irrational acts of others or even say things that is politically incorrect.

    If somebody makes a politically incorrect statement, he has to go beyond the reasonable limit to pursue that idea, defend and charm others with his ideas and try convert others, maintain that constituency and lead that forward. This means he has to sacrifice many things in return.

    If he has no mass support, then he would die like Yogi fighting for illegal mining in Uttarakhand or keep struggling like Sharmila in North East. Very few have a chance of having popular support and becoming a realty TV show hero like Anna.

    In this blog itself, I or you could engage anybody in debates. But we choose some and avoid others as we think engaging some people in debate could be futile. It’s not being lazy, one needs to understand the energy one could expend and utilise it judiciously.

    Only few brave-hearts could be politically incorrect, survive the onslaught of detractors and come out unscathed.

    And it takes a lot to be a brave-heart like that !

    Anonymous Reply:

    good analyss, prahlad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Great post. Agree with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @PralhadSir, What do you think about these padma awards , it has the same importance as STAR SCREEN AWARDS OR SANSUI SCREEN AWARDS, you comments will be appreciated

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    you can name your philosophy RAPE (Religion And Peace Explained).

    You will get instant attention from all Modi haters, Hindu baiters like fake Ravi and the congressi troll too.

    engrich Reply:

    MY POSTS ARE CONTINUOUSLY GETTING FLAGGED OFF

    because they are full of idiocy and non sense

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    engrich Reply:

    MY POSTS ARE CONTINUOUSLY GETTING FLAGGED OFF

    because they are full of idiocy and non sense

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  • Anonymous

    So, the politicians do not like Anna’s comment about “slapping” …
    I am so received now that our politicians are straight arrows..

    I feel like puking…. Kill the rascals… please

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  • Anonymous

    So, the politicians do not like Anna’s comment about “slapping” …
    I am so received now that our politicians are straight arrows..

    I feel like puking…. Kill the rascals… please

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    engrich Reply:

    What Brahminism did to India?

    Destroyed democracy in India
    Removed equality for women
    Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing.
    Divided people from socializing.
    Made life a misery to most of the population.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Funny..looks is Islam is brahminism and muslims brahmins

    Destroyed democracy in India – Islam is anti-democracy

    Removed equality for women – Islam treats women like walking vagina

    Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing. – Islam is anti-science

    Divided people from socializing. – Islam has concept of Momin and Kafir

    Made life a misery to most of the population.- Islamic terror

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Rajeev,

    Our Dear Engrich can only be taken seriously when we have to discuss ” How people get brainwashed and mentally deranged in a Sect”. He is an ideal specimen for such Psycho analysis. Otherwise just Scroll down his comments.

    engrich Reply:

    why u and gopi runaway when i ask specific question.

    Anonymous Reply:

    THIS Islamic pig, engrich suffers from Obssessive compulsive disorder of Hindu hatred and brahmin bashing.

    engrich Reply:

    what ever u see india is gift of muslims.

    engrich Reply:

    rajeev take itemized awnser of ur post,

    Funny..looks is Islam is brahminism and muslims brahmins.brhmnsm says that man is born unequal.islam says human being equal irrespctive of caste and creed.so we poles apart.

    Destroyed democracy in India – Islam is anti-democracy.islam is first religion who finishe kingdom ship.call for equality is democracy.

    Removed equality for women – Islam treats women like walking vagina.islam is first and only religion which gave women right to divorce and propety.

    Prevented Philosophy and Science from developing. – Islam is anti-science.1001 innovative inventions are made by muslims
    muslims had huge universities in bagdhad spain and cairo 500 years before oxford/cambridge were established.books start these universities were brought from muslim spain.

    Divided people from socializing. – Islam has concept of Momin and Kafir but except in religious places both are same.before law are equal.in hidu period and law both are unequal.

    Made life a misery to most of the population.- Islamic terror

  • Anonymous

    MY 6th Part is again missing. Will try to post it after this post

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke, after about 300 posts, DISQUS BECOMES DISGUST.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, 6th part is vanishing. It was a brief reply to Ravi on his view that ROP invaders did so becuse of loot and not due to their faith.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ravi,

    Almost every single ROP Invader of India like Ghazni, Babur, Taimur and many many more have mentioned very very clearly that MOTIVATION behind their Invasions, Killings, loot , Rapes, Taking huge no. of Slaves has been ROP. It has been mentioned in their own writings or their court officials or their ROP Biographers.They have recounted it in details and with utmost glee, they have shown their satisfaction on job being done in service of ROP. Now do we have to put new words in their mouth to make them Politically Correct to suit today’s sensibilities.
    Contd.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balance portion of my post is not getting through. So for the time being, I am giving up.

    engrich Reply:

    Almost every single ROP Invader of India like Ghazni, Babur, Taimur and many many more have mentioned very very clearly that MOTIVATION behind their Invasions, Killings, loot , Rapes

    before they came u came u did the same at much higher level.ghazni taimur were invaders.while baber stayed and india.

    while ur contribution to this country IS BIG ZERO.

    engrich Reply:

    baber stayed and built india.u brhmns should apolige to
    original indians bad things u did to them.

    engrich Reply:

    u are looting india from 3000 years foriegn invaders come ang go.u people are pemanent pain in a$$.today 4 of ur brothers whom goverment trusted,made them isro chief looted such an important department by 2 lakh crore

    u remember their loot totally forgetting what u have done to moolnivasis of this subcontinent.

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    engrich Reply:

    no use to write filthy abuses.taimur ghazni came looted one time and go, while u people are looting india from last 3000 years(since u arived.)today 2 lakh c rores looting has come in the papers.before u people ghazi and taimur are like ants.u wait for blood curdling history of hindu india which is based on truth not on distorted facts or outright lies.u brhmns helped britishers to loot india for centuries.while muslim kings and soldiers died fighting taimur and ghazni.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Aaloke,
    Sometimes the server will not trust the weblinks in the post. It will then swallow the whole post. Try putting it up without weblinks.

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  • Anonymous

    DOUBLE DHAKKA TO OUR FRIEND, VINOD SHARMA
    ————————————————————————————

    PEHLA DHAKKA: NO PADMA BHUSHAN, NOT EVEN PADMASHREE.

    DOOSRA DHAKKA: FAKE CD CASE TO BE INVESTIGATED FULLY.

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  • Anonymous

    DOUBLE DHAKKA TO OUR FRIEND, VINOD SHARMA
    ————————————————————————————

    PEHLA DHAKKA: NO PADMA BHUSHAN, NOT EVEN PADMASHREE.

    DOOSRA DHAKKA: FAKE CD CASE TO BE INVESTIGATED FULLY.

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  • AshishC

    Best wishes on Republic Day to all on this blog. Let’s hope we look forward to
    - higher PISA ranking next year
    - higher HDI ranking
    - less corruption and more effective prosecution of the corrupt
    - less people going to bed hungry every day and sleeping under an open sky
    and, finally
    since none of the above will be possible with UPA or Congress in charge (as shown by their track record over 60 years of misrule); a more proactive and caring government tops my wishlist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aashish,

    Happy Republic day to you .

    Will you please call Tendulkar and tell him that you do not want to see him
    in parallel with Bradman. Please allow him to score a century.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan, I do have Tendulkar on my speed-dial (like I have Obama, Federer and even Diggy..)
    Trouble is Tendulkar has my number as well- and he does not pick my call :P

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aashish,

    ODI,s are around the corner. Please keep on trying.

    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan, I do have Tendulkar on my speed-dial (like I have Obama, Federer and even Diggy..)- c’mon, I AM a Delhi’ie and I KNOW EVERYONE :D
    Trouble is Tendulkar has my number as well- and he does not pick my call :P

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    Anonymous Reply:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Holy Maccaroni , where have been ,
    Tumi Eley , Onek dinyer porey jeno brishti elo

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    AshishC Reply:

    অনেক কথা এলো মেলো মনে এলো

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    AshishC Reply:

    অনেক কথা এলো মেলো মনে এলো

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    AshishC Reply:

    অনেক কথা এলো মেলো মনে এলো

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Not fair. would have enjoyed your reply.

    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    As they used to say in college, this was a “total arbit trip”..
    Shan quoted the first line of a Bengali song, which I recognised from my childhood and I quoted back the second line..

  • engrich

    aaloke,
    instead of abusing me abuse 4 of ur jaatwla who have looted ISROO.we 20 years behind china because of u people.

    when i started reading ur holy scruture ,i found it is nothing but abuses for original indians.u are carrying the same tradition.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Aaloke

    No point discussing anything with fake RAVI- he just likes to argue. And then when you come up with Taimur and Ghazni then muslims like me feel uneasy, hope you understand.

    JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT RAVI IS A PAKISTANI WHO JUST STIRS UP THINGS HERE, READ THIS POST. HE HAD BEEN SLAMMED AND SHAMED AND HAD ACTUAALY AGREED TO LEAVE HERE-

    Rizwan Reply:
    May 8th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
    balwinder paaji, The only reason I had not been harsh on RAVI is-
    - he is too vile and unstable, resorts to abuse
    - nice oldies like Ashish and Mishraji indulge him, ‘cos he is eloquent’

    Well, folks, enjoy his eloquence one last time-
    +++++++++++
    Ravi- Yes when exchanging abuses with Rajeev I did utter an obscenity against RAM. RAM the mythical God, which the RSS has imposed upon North Indian Hindus.
    ++++++++++++++

    I denounce this scumbag- RAVI- ISI AGENT and hope others will too
    ++++++++++++++++
    Balwinder Sandhu says:

    May 9, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    @RAVI- PAKISTANI-we welcomed to our house- India cyber blog- u abused our hospitality. IN THE NAME OF BUKHARI or KAYANI whichever god u worship- YOU HAVE CREATED A STENCH HERE. JUST GO MAN
    —————-No sikh is so humourless, so anti national, so self hating- you r a troll
    Obscenities against our gods, IN OUR OWN HOUSE ? KHOTTEY- Guru Nanak kad the greatest respect for our hindu brothers and one of our SIKH GURUS dies for kashmiri pandits.
    Maharaja Ranjit Singh banned cow slaughter where he could

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    Ravi Reply:
    May 9th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Balwinder.

    There G O N E

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fake ravi- just look at his garbage- yes I abused Lord Ram, the mythical god etc. Man u r sickkkkkkkkkkk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    AshishC Reply:

    All Gods are mythical.. whether Ram or Rahim

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I am now convinced that your long absence from the blog has given you a deep insight into godly things.

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy, I am convinced Gods exist because without them there would be fewer festivals and all festivals mean great food and for that reason, and that alone, I tolerate gods..

    engrich Reply:

    humko malloom hai jannat ke haqeeqat phir bhi
    dil ke bahlano ghalib yeh khayal achcha hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    The small problem with these religios festivals is that they only serve vegetarian food.

    AshishC Reply:

    Easter, X’mas, Bakr-Id… even our own Kali-puja serves goat meat as, would you believe it- prasad!
    And, I love to eat- the vegetarian stuff is great as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    fake ravi- just look at his garbage- yes I abused Lord Ram, the mythical god etc. Man u r sickkkkkkkkkkk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fake ravi- just look at his garbage- yes I abused Lord Ram, the mythical god etc. Man u r sickkkkkkkkkkk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fake ravi- and his garbage- ‘yes I abused Lord Ram, the mythical god etc.’ Man u r sickkkkkkkkkkk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you result in islamophobia on this blog- take your jehadi *** on to THAT SIDE OF THE BORDER.

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  • Anonymous

    Very Happy Republic Day to all of you guys.

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    engrich Reply:

    same to you.

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  • Anonymous

    To all the gentlemen on this blog — except one sick man –

    HAPPY REPUBLIC TO ALL OF YOU GUYS.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Rizwan,Shoeb and Parvez,

    Whenever I plan to write some critical thing on Islam in this Blog, I momentary experience sort of Guilt feeling.I feel that I would be hurting people like you, Shoeb and Rizwan .But then I have analysed it, should I keep quiet because it is going to hurt my Brothers,friends. Let me use words of Dear Shan. Let us make this Blog for Men and not Boys.That does not mean that we have to be abusive to show our manliness. However truth has to come. Particularly truth that is important for future of this country.I have said it earlier also, I do not want my views to be tied to my Ego. I would be happy to be corrected.We have had great tradition of Shastrarth ( we can loosely call it Discussion) in this country. A son , otherwise being socially very respectful towards his father, will not hesitate to say things which may be totally against views of his father in Shastrarth. You and me are both progeny of same Ancestors, let us not be afraid of discussion. No one looses in such interaction, except loss of our inflated Egos.

    As explained earlier also, root cause of many of our problems lie in certain basic flawed ideas or mis-interpretation of some ideas. If we address our concerns here, we can solve or avoid many intractable problems.

    My Brothers/Friends, please do not feel uneasy with mention of Taimur and Ghazni.You are not responsible for what they have done. In the same way, Hindu born should not be un easy when topic of Caste in-equality comes up.They have not done it. Yes, if they deny it, then they also become culpable.I do understand, having born in a particular faith, having seen all your near and dear ones following that faith, some very fervently,many of those you have seen are good and nice people, it becomes very very difficult to think that the philosophy could be basically flawed. But then, here comes differentiation between Man and Boy.Go ahead and decipher truth yourself.

    First step in resolving a problem comes with analysing a problem, followed by its acceptance. Solutions can be derived only after that. But if we do not expose ourselves to analysis of a problem, we can not take further steps.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaloke jitna tum brhmnston ne loota hai taimur aur ghazni bachche hai tumaharein samne.aaj isro kha gayee sare institutions swallow kar rahe,batein dekho badi badi.how much u are hurting india and indians by hiding trillions of dollars in temples,polluting our rivers and hurting ecology.ghazni gave employement to thousands of indians with the wealth u have taken.and taliking of muslims.muslim rule wasgreat gift to india.THAT IS WHY U BRHMNS NEVER A SINGLE BOOK OR ARTICLE AGAINST THEM.

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  • Anonymous

    This blog has gone silent again. Meanwhile .

    A frustrated husband who was fed with the spending habits of wife describes
    his woes in a shayeri.

    Maang Bharne ki sazaa kuch is tarah pa rahaa hun
    Ki biwi ki maange puri karte karte maang maang kar kha raha hun.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaadi par wife boli:
    Aaap mere prannath aur mein apke charno ki dasi.
    Shaadi ke baad woh ho Gaya Charandas aur,
    woh ho gayi prano ki pyaasi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    I completely sympathies with you. I know what husbands are going through.

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    I must say Mr Ishwar’s post is of same class as yours ! Now you have to better that one !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    you have missed a ’sir’ here.

    Gustaki maaf.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Where ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    we expect more from your sharp fingers.

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  • Anonymous

    @PralhadSir, What do you think about these padma awards , it has the same importance as STAR SCREEN AWARDS OR SANSUI SCREEN AWARDS, you comments will be appreciated

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  • Anonymous

    @PralhadSir, What do you think about these padma awards , it has the same importance as STAR SCREEN AWARDS OR SANSUI SCREEN AWARDS, you comments will be appreciated

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Please don’t insult screen awards by comparing with Padma awards.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan Sir,

    Till now the Padma awards have been based on nomination system. As per the existing practice, names submitted by district collectors, NGOs and individuals are examined by a committee later, once it is approved by the chief minister, the list is submitted to the Centre. This committee is headed by the Cabinet Secretary. Also included in the Committee are the Secretary to the President, the Union Home Secretary, and a number of “eminent” representatives from various fields such as science, medicine, culture, media and sports.The Committee examines the recommendations, roughly about 500, from the State Governments and the Union Ministries.This list is brought down 150, and out of which about 100 to 130 make the final ‘Padma’ grade in various categories.

    [ As per the info available on the public domain. ]

    Ofcourse there are strings here and there. But things are falling into a regular procedure after RTI activism.

    My personal opinion is the whole thing works on “perception” rather than the real merit being evaluated through some gruelling procedures or exacting standards. There was a recent report that though lung operations are more difficult, heart operations take all the lime lights. Till now I thought bypass heart surgery to be a real big thing, till you explained it to be otherwise !

    So the decision is mostly based on perception. The “collective nod” comes from this perception. A high level committee usually avoids questioning the merit of eminent personalities and go by consensus. Since most of the members say ‘aye’ based on general perception prevailing at the moment, some people with higher merit tend to get eliminated.

    Yes, it is imperfect. Anything different would too be imperfect.

    [An unwritten rule is that generally 10 years must pass before someone gets to get a higher Padma category award. ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Once the late Kanan Devi’s husband was on a jury board of National Film awards, Urvashi and that kind. He recounts in his memoir HE WAS ASKED BY A FELLOW JURI , WHO WAS ALSO A BOLLOYWOOD POTBOILER MAKER , TO GIVE THE AWARD TO
    VIMI , YES VIMI. He asked WHO IS VIMI , and then asked why should we give it to her , the answer was HER FAMILY IS GOING TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN MY NEXT FILM.
    Kanan Devi’s husband RESIGNED IN DISGUST
    same thing happened when DIL TO PAGAL HAI got national award
    DHRITIMAN CHATTERJEE RESIGNED IN PROTEST

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Once the late Kanan Devi’s husband was on a jury board of National Film awards, Urvashi and that kind. He recounts in his memoir HE WAS ASKED BY A FELLOW JURI , WHO WAS ALSO A BOLLOYWOOD POTBOILER MAKER , TO GIVE THE AWARD TO
    VIMI , YES VIMI. He asked WHO IS VIMI , and then asked why should we give it to her , the answer was HER FAMILY IS GOING TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN MY NEXT FILM.
    Kanan Devi’s husband RESIGNED IN DISGUST
    same thing happened when DIL TO PAGAL HAI got national award
    DHRITIMAN CHATTERJEE RESIGNED IN PROTEST

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  • AshishC

    All Gods are mythical.. whether Ram or Rahim

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish Sir,

    The problem arises when people consider them to be historical.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nefarious indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    People are real and god is imagination.

    Rama may be real but attribute GOD assigned to him is fictional..Same is true for Mohammad, he was self-declared prophet (as was the craze in arabia at that time).

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    engrich Reply:

    keep ur a$$ shut.ur advise is not welcomed or needed.u are a mad man.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I guess Enrich has give up his effort to convert you…

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    engrich Reply:

    bad language not accepted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ashish,
    Just wanted to share a thing when you were away. Last week or so, Rizwan was wondering loudly whether Ravi and Engrich are in a relationship. I thought, unintentionally he is braking two hearts. First one is Engrich, who calls Ravi as Bhai. Second one was missing from the blog :-)
    Welcome back.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Hey Vinay, it has been a while.. how have you been? Are you back to posting here? Let me follow you on Disqus; so that I do not need to go through piles of stuff to get to you.
    Where’s Ravi? I am no longer very regular; but, I see most others still are :)

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    engrich Reply:

    blogg was missing u.so me.u are quite favorite here not like me.

    engrich Reply:

    blogg was missing u.so me.u are quite favorite here not like me.

  • Anonymous

    Salam namaste everyone !!

    I thought this is going to be a lazy 26 Jan best spent lazing around but the debate out here and the fact I have been remembered tempts me to blog and give my comments for whatever they are worth. Aaloke since you mentioned my name — let me tell you I am stoic enough to take any comment, so as per your requirements, man enough to soak in any offence!

    Rizwan, my views on Rushdie may be at variance with yours as I dont think he has anything more than any nuisance value if you dont like him, and a non religious value if you like his writings. And Balwinder Uncle (?), thanks for your kind words.

    Now what do I think of Rushdie? If it is important,… then… I feel he was just another writer, who has come into gross focus just becasue fo the ban. I have read the Satanic verses–despite the ban– it is available. I feel Rushdie was just making a parody on Quranic characters and scriptures. A sort of friendly comic book, just to cater to his readers and sell his magic realism, which at times does require patience to read. There is no real intent to hurt Muslims, not even any intent to reform or anything heavy. just a bit of comic book style writing for adults who stopped reading comics! It would be unfair to bay for his blood, with the feeling that “here was a guy who was an agent of US out to destroy Islam…”

    Salafis, Wahabbis and consevatives would find it all too confusing as there is no tradition in Islam and Islamic writings which can question the word written in Quran and present it differently. I will live with and horror of horrors.. at times even smile. They will not. To them my message would be , “grow up brothers… relax and enjoy it and if you dont like the book just ignore it.”

    This huge anti Rushdie tamasha has unfortunately got all the hardlimers out of their ratholes and would end up damaging the moderates who have started looking ineffective and silent. Sadly no political party could strongly come out and say, let this guy come and go and even if you dont like him, ignore him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now to the second part of my post, Muslims may have come into focus here, but this sort of reaction is not limited to Muslims alone. It may be more here, but nobody can claim that my religion is totally free of hypocrites who are willing to absorb dissenting thoughts.

    Hindus were upset with MF Hussain. My classmates say that in case Hussain had made similar painitngs of Islamic characters, people would not have reacted so. My view is that temples in Khujarao have a lot of things in graphic detail, why react to Hussain alone. But yes I do agree that in case a Hindu had made the same paintings as hussain, nobody would have reacted. But hen Hindus have over the years learnt to accept contradictions, for some may worship Ram and some even Ravana.

    Sikhs would have strongly reacted in case sombody would have created a parody based on characters in Sikh history. Though maybe not as violently

    Christianity in Europe has handled dissent and paprodies and now learnt to live with it. however it is possible that in India, the government would have banned a similar book as the “Da Vince code” faced a ban earlier.

    In the end I would sum up by saying that Islam is definately at crossroads and becasue of mollycoddling and votebanks, Muslims are only viewed as votebanks which need to be pleased by saluting and “salaaming” the hardliners in their populace.

    Not good for Muslims at all. Definately not for peple like me who are willing to be frank, open and liberal.

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    engrich Reply:

    Christianity in Europe has handled dissent and paprodies
    church in europe physically liquadated every opposition.jews were killed in millions.
    while in india and spain later in turkey all races and communities enjoyed.in istamboul u will find mosques churches and synogogues side
    by side.in america also evryone was forced to become christian,that is why jews muslims and hindus are immigrant.

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  • Anonymous

    @Pralhad Sir, and Mohan R, Once the late Kanan Devi’s husband was on a jury board of National Film awards, Urvashi and that kind. He recounts in his memoir HE WAS ASKED BY A FELLOW JURI , WHO WAS ALSO A BOLLOYWOOD POTBOILER MAKER , TO GIVE THE AWARD TO
    VIMI , YES VIMI. He asked WHO IS VIMI , and then asked why should we give it to her , the answer was HER FAMILY IS GOING TO PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN MY NEXT FILM.
    Kanan Devi’s husband RESIGNED IN DISGUST
    same thing happened when DIL TO PAGAL HAI got national award
    DHRITIMAN CHATTERJEE RESIGNED IN PROTEST

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan Sir,

    Very plausible. I am not surprised.

    I know people whose basic philosophy in decision making process – ” always support your own. You have the responsibility towards your own.”

    And I am talking about highly educated people holding very high positions in public life.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But Sharmila Tagore stuck to her post like fevicol and “obliged” the powers that be with censor certificates.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    All the film awards in India are farce. Every year they come up with new catogaries.
    This year there were such as Best promoted movie and best usage of media.
    And can you believe that Farhan Akhtar got an award for Internnation Icon.
    Awards functions should be watched for dance and songs only if interested.

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  • Anonymous

    Folks I dont think anybody in this blog has read the satanic verses properly.
    Let me recount what it is all about.
    It begins with an explosion in Air India jumbo(allusion to kaniska bombing by khalistanis in canada) over the skies of england. Thus drops from the plane Salim Chancha (aka Amitabh Bacchan) and zeenie baby(aka Zeenat aman)
    Now the story or the narrative is their meandering the streets of London MOSTLY THE PARTS INHABITED BY THE BANGLADESHIS.This is a narrative of DERACINATION of being a foreigner , or not being able to belong. Also he takes snipe at the Bangladeshis CONDUCTING TELEPHONE TALAQ TO WIVES LEFT IN BANGLADESH.
    Now suddenly the next chapter is headed RETURN TO JAHILIA which has no OUTWARD OR OBVIOUS link or bearing to the preceding chapter. This is essentially THE STORY OF PROPHET WHEN HE WAS HOUNDED OUT AND HE WAS FIGHTING BACK.
    It also tells a little bit about Arabia of that time , AS YOU KNOW THE VICIOUS AND VILE MUSLIM HISTORIANS HAVE COMPLETELY ERASED FROM LIVING MEMORY ANY TRACE OF HISTORY OF PREPROPHET ARABIA, AND CONSIGNED IT AS JAHILIA (Darkness)
    Now THERE IS NOT A SINGLE LINE THAT IS DEFAMATORY TO THE PROPHET,
    I challenge anybody to reproduce those lines.
    As I have mentioned before , Yes he calls the companions of prophet SCUM AND BUM . There were prostitutes trying to lure the prophet BUT HE IS SHOWN TO BE A MAN OF STRONG CHARACTER AND IS ABLE TO FEND OFF ANY ALLUREMENT.
    He does write these lines “Then the prostitutes started claiming them to be his wife”
    But there is no line to suggest that he accepts it or there was any prior reason for the prostitutes to make that claim.
    IN FACT I AM YET TO DECIPHER WHY HE SANDWICHED THIS ARABIAN PARODY WITH THE MAIN NARRATIVE.
    The importance of the book is the LITERARY FORM.
    This is not a straight forward narrative like Devdas or Romeo Juliet THIS IS MODERN LITERATURE , so he has turned everything upside down , a bit like Tarantino’s PULP FICTION. The sweep of language is breathtaking , but content wise is average

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    engrich Reply:

    AS YOU KNOW THE VICIOUS AND VILE MUSLIM HISTORIANS HAVE COMPLETELY ERASED FROM LIVING MEMORY ANY TRACE OF HISTORY OF PREPROPHET ARABIA, AND CONSIGNED IT AS JAHILIA (Darkness)

    any proof.why u are worried

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Modern day Saudia is Jahilia . I have spent two years there. It has to change its approach to women and non muslims as well as freedom.

    Last time you were boasting that a favour was done to my family as my father worked there as a doctor. Why dont you realise that employment is a two way street and my father worked as an able surgeon there at one third the wages of an American and also trained a few Arabs who lacked the skills. But then you approach every topic with a closed mind and a mind which is a slave of Arabs. I think you should go there and work as a household slave to relive your fantasy of serving those masters

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    engrich Reply:

    u hardly know anything next time dont address me .

    engrich Reply:

    u hardly know anything next time dont address me .u are absolutely ignorant.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan Nirad Babu,

    since most of us here haven’t read the “Verses”, we accept your opinion, for whatever it is worth (which is not worth much).

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    engrich Reply:

    if u have not read why u support him.

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    engrich Reply:

    if u have not read why u support him.

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    engrich Reply:

    3% of world consider him(prophet) his father.wherever they found this idiot they will break his a$$ and throw his intellectualism there.this is as easy as that.
    this part of anti-muslim zoinist propganda.zoinist paid 5 million pounds to write this bullshit their satanic cousins in india banned this provide propaganda.

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    engrich Reply:

    please read 30%not b%

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  • Anonymous

    Team Anna suggests panel to seek people’s views in law framing

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Team-Anna-suggests-panel-to-seek-peoples-views-in-law-framing/904308/

    Excerpt

    Arguing for amendment to the Constitution to ensure people’s participation in law making, Team Anna today suggested setting up of a ‘Referendum Commission’ on the lines of Election Commission to seek common man’s views in framing legislation.

    Team Anna member Prashant Bhushan said here that available technology and internet can be used for referendum.

    He said for laws related to a particular state, voting through internet kiosks can be held after biometric identification of a voter.

    ——————–

    1) Referendum amongst 70 crores of voters?

    2) They think law making is a joke (they never seem to learn). Are all the 70 crore people literate enough to understand the finer nuances and the consequences of the law to be enacted?

    Who explains these to the voters or will be they given the full draft of the bill and given the onerous responsibility of deciding whether the law(s) should be enacted or not?

    3) If there are say 30 to 40 bills to be enacted over a period of 5 years, will there be that many referendums? Has he cared to worry about the costs and effort involved?

    The whole thing flies in the face of parliamentary democracy. Are they showing contempt for the same, as they did during the “I am Anna’ Movement’?

    First a monster Lokpal and now another unworkable entity – Referendum Commission. Amazing. Whatever will they think of next? Do away with the parliament and the Government?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    The country will be in constant flux – perennial election mode. It helps some section of society to create unrest by any means. Ofcourse when a different Govt. comes in, all these guys would fall silent !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because the different government would bring the Lokpal bill or amendments thereto in a straight forward manner as against the present devious, duplicitous, deceitful ways of this UPA government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    First, the Team Anna has lost credibility – the flop show in Bombay was a sort of curtain call. IMO, the whole movement was to destabilise the UPA government on behalf of RSS/BJP and for some of the members to settle personal scores.

    Not many would take them too seriously from now (certainly not the political parties) for any new ’cause’ they pick up (they have asked the people for suggestions, ’cause they have no clue themselves) in order to target the Congress party.

    Someone should write a book ‘How Not To Lead People’s Movement’” based on the Team Anna’s nautanki.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ..Someone should write a book ‘How Not To Lead People’s Movement’” based on the Team Anna’s nautanki. …

    Manohar Sir,

    Though you said it in jest, it actually is a terrific management case study. I will not be surprised if it finds its way into top management school.

    It has many layers that are not visible to general public. These layers would intrigue any serious management student. Nothing derogatory. But it’s a case study worth deliberating in depth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    The Jan Lokpal bill was only a weapon and the whole movement was political from the start – as it became evident when skeletons started tumbling out.

    It can also be a case study for students of Political Science.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good idea – but fairly premature.

    We need to educate the masses first.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Demand affidavit from parties on Lok Ayukta: Anna to voters

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_demand-affidavit-from-parties-on-lok-ayukta-anna-to-voters_1642522

    ————

    He forget to say whether it should be on Rs 100 or Rs 200 stamp paper. Let us see how many pay heed and make such a demand.

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  • Anonymous

    ..—————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~~ SONG OF THE DAY…. VANDE MATRAM… AR REHMAN VERSION~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    The last song I posted was of Congressis singing LeT ko salaam, Afzal Guru ko salaam.

    My song for today, is AR rehman’s Vande matram. Let us all sing it on republic day. And if Engrich and his live in partner sing it too… it would be a real victory for our secular values.

    Yahan vahan saara jahan dekh liya
    Ab tak bhi tere jaisa koi nahin

    Main assi nahin, sau din duniya ghooma hai
    Naahi kaahe tere jaisa koi nahin

    Main gaya jahan bhi, bas teri yaad thi
    Jo mere saath thi mujhko tadpaati rulaati
    Sab se pyaari teri soorat
    Pyaar hai bas tera, pyaar hi

    Maa tujhe salaam, maa tujhe salaam
    Amma tujhe salaam
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram

    Janam janam tera hoon deewana main
    Jhoomoon naachoon gaaoon tere pyaar ka taraana
    Main jeena nahin soch nahin duniya ki daulat nahin
    Bas lootunga tere pyaar ka khazaana

    Ek nazar jab teri hoti hai pyaar ki
    Duniya tab to meri chamke damke maheke re
    Tera chehra sooraj jaisa chaand si thand hai pyaar mein
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram

    Tere paas hi main aa raha hoon
    Apni baahein khol de
    Zor se mujhko gale laga le
    Mujhko phir voh pyaar de
    Tu hi zindagi hai, tu hi meri mohabbat hai
    Tere hi pairon mein jannat hai

    Tu hi dil, tu jaan, amma
    Maa tujhe salaam, maa tujhe salaam
    Amma tujhe salaam, maa tujhe salaam
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram
    Vande maataram, vande maataram

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    engrich Reply:

    good vijy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    No offence but I find this over the top emotional patriotism little bit off putting. May be it is just me..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ..-@ Rajeev

    You have full individual rights to find this over the top, but I guess I am a bit over the top in these matters.

    There is so much shit going on this in this country with corruption, bad governance and dynastic succession, I need my patriotism to keep myself pepped up.

    On the positive side, I have dined with many a commando durign the renovation of army hospital and quarters and was pleasantly surprised to know that many of the youngsters were willing to die for the ideal– expecially kids from small towns. In some contrast to US soldiers whom I had occasion to watch at close quarters in Malatya, turkey, on way to Iraq and wondered whether they were doing it more as an ordeal and a chore which they unhappily did.

    At another level, in my view, having luckily and by accident, escaped from a bomb blast in Delhi– I keep reminding myself that the evil forces of jehad from across the border need to be defeated. I am not a NCC commander on perpetual patriotic high. But more of an Indian who knows that many fo the battles of the world are being fought out here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me correct myself. I find Naarebaazi kind of patriotism off putting. This kind of patriotism is typical Congressi..all talks no action.

    However I respect your sentiments. Even I have same feeling but looking at the situation and how people consider their religion, caste, language, state etc. over India has dampened my patriotic spirit. What is the use for this hollow patriotism when people in our country are busy putting each other down for vested interests.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I guess i am what I am. An ekat chalo guy!! Not a naarebaz. But believe in targeted strikes at getting the message thru.

    Lot of shit in this country. But damnit I believe in doing good. That is it…. :)

    Like I said, I am a nut case…

  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    “The Jan Lokpal bill was only a weapon and the whole movement was political from the start …”

    Not true. The movement did require political support as it grew – after all they were asking for a strong and independent ombudsman – and it had to be approved by the parliament represented by various political parties. Those who agreed in principle with the proposals came out in its support and the ones who had the most to hide/fear were obviously against it and started maligning the movement.

    Remember your fav. line? Was it something like “shooting the messenger”?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    “Remember your fav. line? Was it something like “shooting the messenger”?”

    For Manohar this applies only for non-congressis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    I strongly believe it was political from the start – they did not say so (perhaps only two or three knew the real intent) – the Jan Lokpal draft would not have been passed by any democratic society. It was full of flaws, with unconstitutional provisions and some clauses were plain ludicrous. Remember, they had eminent lawyers in the drafting panel. Didn’t they know the law and constitution?

    When the cat was completely out of the bag (Hissar poll – targeting only one particular party) , some eminent members (Rajinder Singh, the waterman among them) left the movement in disgust.

    To make matters worse – Anna came up justifying the medieval system of justice as (was/is) practised in his village. Must compliment him for being honest about it. BTW, the Sarpanch from his village is contesting the Zilla Parishad elections on Sharad Pawar’s NCP ticket ( recall – ek him maaraa). Kiran Bedi – fudging travel bills and Kejriwal receiving funds from unknown sources (and the most idiotic response that he would return the money – to whom, when the donors are not known?). I think, he has yet to make public the receipt and expenditure incurred during the movement – he had promised to do so by October end. If he has I stand corrected. Sorry, they let themselves be maligned.

    Shooting the messenger is labeling, abusing, questioning the credentials of the person concerned (BTW, we have the two of the ‘biggest shooters’ right here on this blog and practically all their posts are such. Now wait and watch this post will be subject to shooting too**) . Commenting upon and debating the actions and utterances is not shooting the messenger.

    Many of the people not kindly disposed towards me will find this post boring.

    ** It already has.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gram sabhas above Parliament, assemblies: Anna Hazare

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Gram-sabhas-above-Parliament-assemblies-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/11640750.cms

    Decrying the failure of Rajya Sabha to pass the Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare on Thursday made a curious suggestion to bring a law to empower gram sabhas that will be above Parliament.

    In a video address to Team Anna’s seminar ‘Rebuilding the Republic’, he said people will have to be ready for a big agitation like the one for Jan Lokpal Bill if the government does not bring a law for empowering village sabhas.

    ————

    Ishwar

    Who is maligning Anna? Himself or someone else?

    Khap panchayats will be delighted to have such a step.

    What next?

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy sir, your jokes are brilliant- Prahlad, you forgot one Sir- Gustakhi maaf” gr8 man u r wicked !!!!!!!

    Prahlad dude listen, last year I went abroad for the first time to Australia. Even a lowly waiter there says- G’day mate what can I get you” I bet you would have said ” waiter Sir is it possible that I could have a soft drink” dude only kidding. Roar like a lion and say a pint of Fosters plaese ( hope Abbu is not reading this, he does not know everything)

    but message is- most of world finds Indians too servile. Respect your parents and grand parents, but after that be selective. Do you even know how old people here are that you are calling them sir ?

    Ashish you the man, risssspectttt. Did not understand your bit of Ram and Rahim, your explanation expected

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rizwan

    Were u in Australia recently ? if you were you ,,, you could have easily passed on a message to teh Indian team to rattle the Aussies by sledging back.

    They can check out a lot of material from the net. Captain Michael Clarke’s girl, Lara bingle has dispyed all her glorious assets for the benefit of humanity…

    It would have been gud fun in case the Indian team would have discussed lara’s assets and sag when Micheal Clarke was at the crease. The Aussies were pretty unkind when Saurav Ganguly’s name was linked to nagma…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    as on many things, I agree with you on the Australians’ ill-mannered sledging, particularly when Indians are batting. They sure know that these poor, small black and brown guys are very sensitive to the jibes and lose their cool in front of the wicket.

    The sam tactic is being deployed by fake Ravi and engrich here, and they are very successful. Everybody is advising everybody else “in dono se moohn math lagao”, whereas, they need to be given back in their own kind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    it would have been easy to sledge Australia. they got rattled when Harbhajan paid back with the same coin. Kumble was a shrewd guy who could occupy the moral high ground also.

    For good material to sledge Aussies, captain Clarke’s wife Lara Bingle– a regualr nude model gives ample opportunities to the Indians. It would have been easy to rile Clark and ponting… that all their strategy is sagging as Lara is sagging !

    but unfortunately Dhoni acted like Gandhi in a land of General Pattons.

    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Viju, teri patriotism tujhe salaam.

    And to Aaloke, Ishwar, Prahlad, Parvez, Shoeb, Rizwan- your youth will drive this country forward. I love your optimism- I dedicate this video to you.

    And to the oldies here- Gopi, Balwinder praa, Shri Shri Shenoy, Ashish, Drs Pankaj , Anand and Shah Alam, Benoy and Raju, Saxenaji
    And to newcomers here like ASHOK and to Usman Chowdhury from Pakistan

    And even to Ravi and egerich who have angered many here by abusing our Gods- on Republic day of India pl accept our musical best wishes.
    We have eradicated polio, maybe in 10 years we eradicate hunger
    pl all enjoy- and all others whose names I forget
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6PHJg9D_Sk
    Time for Dr Mishra to have his GLASS OF MAHUA

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    engrich Reply:

    egerich who have angered many here by abusing our Gods- on Republic day of India pl accept our musical best wishes

    doctor saheb i dont insult anybody god.i only say hoarding money in palces of worship whether by hindu or muslim is crime against humanity.
    u were in egypt their kings were very rich and powerfull but their kingdom destroyed because of this practice.then this practice of identifying foreign invaders with muslims.taimurkilled around30000 muslims in baghdad.he destroyed delhi and killed 80%of their inhabitants.consisting manily of muslims.though u are brhmn but i will tell u at ur face that u people robbed india million time more than taimur or any other invader.u set the rule of society u canchange it also.so continous pollution of our rivers and destruction of our forests and jungles.is anti-national and bad for our future generation.
    people like aaloke use few brute people to beat muslims.ashok killed the entire population of kalinga.he murdered his 99 brothers to become ruler.
    u will serve india and up more if u join some reformist nationalis organization instead of rss,who are bunch of killer murderers and scam operators.u know very well i am not anti-brhmn or anti-hindu.but i hate parivar as i had the opportunity of seeing them from very close.most of my friend are ex-rss man ,one is misra.

    many countries including american jews wants civil in india.ram mandir was their agenda.
    today 4 brhmns looted 2 lac crores from isro.i dont say all of them are like this.terrorist kill 1 innocents these scams kill millions.whatever i write is from my heart.india& middle east has given me so much,something which i never asked from allah.i left india but india never left me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    Really breathtaking! i have downloaded it and it is playing on my computer right now…

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  • Anonymous

    PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL — Dr Samuel Johnson
    I see patriotism of the above variety in England all the time. This patriotism is defined by ZENOPHOBIA, blame everything on foreigners. Lazy bums sucking the social security , yet shouting all the time “Foreigners are taking away all the jobs”.
    This class reads RED TOP tabloids , the headlines of which are as follows
    FREDDIE STARR ATE MY HAMSTER, all the thing deeply favourite to their heart
    FOREIGNER BASHING which these tabloids compete to outdo each other. Oh yes they all fly the flag of St george(Incidentally prices of those houses go down)
    SAME WITH INDIANS, THEIR PATRIOTISM IS DEFINED BY THE DECIBEL IN ANTI PAKISTAN RHETORIC , AND NOTHING ELSE.
    Your country is not an imaginary amorphous construct , IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO INHABIT THAT COUNTRY. Now 50% go hungry , How many middle class pay their maids to send their children to school , and how many youths have done VOLUNTARY WORK , and how many dont dodge taxes.
    There is a thing called LOOKING IN THE MIRROR

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Totally agree with you. What are your views on ideology of Congressis who consider loyality to Nehru-Gandhi dynasty as true patriotism?

    Is respect for Nehru-Gandhis the real patriotism?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What hipocrycy telling others to do voluntary work. U get MBBS on reservation and now earn 50000 pounds while yr classmate in kolkata gets one tenth. Dont lecture others u oaf hipocryte. Come back to slums, practise their and I will salute you.
    HOT AIR

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  • Anonymous

    PATRIOTISM IS THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL — Dr Samuel Johnson
    I see patriotism of the above variety in England all the time. This patriotism is defined by ZENOPHOBIA, blame everything on foreigners. Lazy bums sucking the social security , yet shouting all the time “Foreigners are taking away all the jobs”.
    This class reads RED TOP tabloids , the headlines of which are as follows
    FREDDIE STARR ATE MY HAMSTER, all the thing deeply favourite to their heart
    FOREIGNER BASHING which these tabloids compete to outdo each other. Oh yes they all fly the flag of St george(Incidentally prices of those houses go down)
    SAME WITH INDIANS, THEIR PATRIOTISM IS DEFINED BY THE DECIBEL IN ANTI PAKISTAN RHETORIC , AND NOTHING ELSE.
    Your country is not an imaginary amorphous construct , IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO INHABIT THAT COUNTRY. Now 50% go hungry , How many middle class pay their maids to send their children to school , and how many youths have done VOLUNTARY WORK , and how many dont dodge taxes.
    There is a thing called LOOKING IN THE MIRROR

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  • Anonymous

    @RajeevS, As I have mentioned before this nehru gandhi dynasty has done to the HISTORY OF CONGRESS what muslim historians have done to the preprohet arabia, COMPLETE REVISION OF HISTORY. Ideally Nehru Gandhi should be a FOOT NOTE in the history of congress party , but they have made it like BAAP KA MAAL.
    Anyway I think the SINGLEMOST IMPORTANT MATTER INDIAN POLICY MAKERS NEED TO ADDRESS IS AGRICULTURE.
    LAND IS GETTING FRAGMENTED , rest of India will soon have POSTAGE SIZE holdings. Also productivity needs to double , currently average yie;d is 1.4 ton /acre , UK average is 3 ton /acre. India needs INDUSTRIAL SCALE FARMING , and massive expansion in industry , otherwise another khalistan and maoist insurrection is round the corner.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Singulate Shan,

    ou are now stepping outside the strait jacket designed for you by the congressi troll and the jihadis.

    You are wading through uncharted waters, ie. uncharted by them.

    You are not supposed to attack or even criticise the Nehru-Ghandy parivar.

    Your line should begin with balls Balwinder, corrupt bank manager and end with khap panchayat.

    I hope you will now get back into the strait jacket.

    The sooner, the better for everybody, but more so for the jihadis and their supporting cast.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Agree with you. Something seriously shoud be done about farming in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    I think agricultural growth is stuck between 2%-4% all over India especially Congress ruled state. The only state that is showing double digit growth in agriculture is COMMUNAL Gujarat.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    Welcome back. Blog quality is much better lately, except for occasional Gali Galoch.
    It will improve further now.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    Welcome back. Blog quality is much better lately, except for occasional Gali Galoch.
    It will improve further now.

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  • Dr Mishra

    It is 11 pm, Yorkshire is cold but Dr Mishra is warm, the effect of mahua.

    And the effect of listening to Vande mataram- Lata at her best. Dr Mishra is unabashedly Indian. Today he embraces a single sentence uttered by engerich- ramavtar “engerich says he left India but India never left him ”

    so while Dr mishra disagees with 99% of what engerich says, he agrees 100% with this one. It is not the mahua speaking, it is my heart- yes, India never leaves me. Even when I scuba dive 100 feet down under, it remains with me.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj1Iy4nRMkc&feature=related

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    engrich Reply:

    dr u have full right to disagree with me .we are in democratic society.this vande matram is notorious anti muslim cry written by terrorist bankim chatterjee.it is good that goverment has changed it.

    happy republic day .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Mishra,

    Has Felix Padel, the Great Grandson of Charles Darwin, actually started marketing Mahua in UK ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    this Islamic pig, engrich, has already dubbed Bankim Chandra Chatterji, a Brahmin, a terrorist who killed Muslims with this song.

    I hope Singulate Shan will rebut the terrorist tag.

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    engrich Reply:

    he was a traitor no doubt.national song is written to praise nation not devi devtas of certain region.even rabindra nath tagore objected this.in anand math itisused as war cry of hindu masses against mulims landlord.bankim was traitor collaborator brhmnst and terrorist wrote this novel to apease his british bosses.at the end of novel one hindu religious figure who advises hindus to help british robbers to establish themselves and kill muslims

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    engrich Reply:

    instead of calling me pig u can challenge me and i will awnser.

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  • Anonymous

    @RajeevS, As I have mentioned before this nehru gandhi dynasty has done to the HISTORY OF CONGRESS what muslim historians have done to the preprohet arabia, COMPLETE REVISION OF HISTORY. Ideally Nehru Gandhi should be a FOOT NOTE in the history of congress party , but they have made it like BAAP KA MAAL.
    Anyway I think the SINGLEMOST IMPORTANT MATTER INDIAN POLICY MAKERS NEED TO ADDRESS IS AGRICULTURE.
    LAND IS GETTING FRAGMENTED , rest of India will soon have POSTAGE SIZE holdings. Also productivity needs to double , currently average yie;d is 1.4 ton /acre , UK average is 3 ton /acre. India needs INDUSTRIAL SCALE FARMING , and massive expansion in industry , otherwise another khalistan and maoist insurrection is round the corner.

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  • Anonymous

    manohar — what is wrong with gram pachayats havg powers equal to or above parliament.. what is so sacred about parliamemt.. wouldt Idia be better off if its villages are doing well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    Actually there is no problem. It’s just another way of management.

    It’s like allowing all departments of your factory being independent and managing on their own.

    Or, Afganisthan being managed by Suras and not by the Govt. at the Capital.

    Or, Pakisthan being managed by the tribal lords.

    To be very honest, centuries back, there was no concept of a large country ! People looked at their backyards and were very happy to see their “WORLD” just around 1 km radius ! I guess they were happier those days.

    So let it be !

    We are just waiting for new diktats on Science, Defence, Economy, Management from Mr Anna.

    Specialists be damned.

    BTW, Gopi Sir ! Will the Gram Panchyats consist of ” 5 wise men ” or all villagers including men, women and children? How can just 5 wise men be above all the villagers ???

    [ Come to think of it, we thought we were allergic to fatwas ! ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    prahlad — you have your views… i have my views… i wish all the MPS, or most of them, are takem out by the maoists !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    Suppose it happens.

    Then what next?

    Anonymous Reply:

    We will replace all MPs with Nehru-Gandhi family members and their pets including you and Jihadi Company.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad Sir will only accept a position which will enable him to ’sir’ maximum number of netas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I have many questions. If senior bloggers like you will not help answer, then who will ?

    The young bloggers, here, look up to your knowledge, wisdom and experience.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    I am not like Shan, who claims to possess all the knowledge in the world, including that outside the field of medicine.

    I believe all the bloggers here are equal, have the same rights and importance as anybody else. I do not avoid reading your posts because they are from a junior or a youngster.

    Therefore, as an equal, please permit me to suggest that many including me would prefer to be plainly addressed by their name, except where the names are patently fake, like Ravi, Ram Autar, SIngulate etc.

    I also want you to know that every blogger has his own way of responding to others’ posts.

    I for one would keep malice out of my responses except when I respond to a couple of jihadis and congressi trolls.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I appreciate your humility. Please allow me to be me. And let us focus on the debate. We all are here because something or other bugs us beyond a reason. We try to find answers to those unsolved queries in our mind by discussing with other fellow bloggers.

    So let us focus on the issues, rather than few trivials. It’s not worth it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sadhu Sadhu.. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    I am sorry much of what I said is lost on you.

    you said, “We try to find answers to those unresolved queries in our mind by discussing with other fellow bloggers.”

    My point was, simply, that you can do that without “sirring” and ji huzooring”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Quoting your comment -

    I also want you to know that every blogger has his own way of responding to others’ posts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Prahlad has given his views on it.

    “What is wrong with gram pachayats having powers equal to or above parliament.. what is so sacred about parliament”.

    Everything

    1) Parliament is sacred and the highest body representing the voice of people from all parts of India. If it were otherwise, you can say bye-bye to the idea of India and an all India perspective. Perhaps then there would be Republic of Kerala, Republic of Poschimbonga and nearly 30 more. If Anna had his way, there would be 1000s of republics – (un)Democratic Flogging Republic of Relegaon Siddhi, blah, blah with that many Prime Ministers(??). There cannot two or more centres wielding overlapping powers. For example, there cannot be two chief justices of India.

    2) Let us rewind. Many months ago, we did discuss in exhaustive detail tweaking the system for better governance. More power to the districts, talukas, municipalities, panchayats and panchayat co-operatives. Nowhere it was suggested that they would be equal to or above the parliament or even state legislatures. Parliament is supreme. No question about that.

    IMO, the utterances Team Anna in the last 24 hours (Referendum Commission, Gram Sabhas over Parliament and People demanding affidavits from the party re: Jan Lokpal bill – all unworkable ideas) , are a desperate attempts to remain relevant and in the news. They had their moment(s) in the sunshine and they burnt their skins, instead of basking in the shade.

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  • Anonymous

    Really really funny !

    Engrich’s claim that a Brahimn conspiracy was hatched to prevent Aishwariya from getting rescued from caste oppression which Salman Khan was attempting to do. Vinay’s link to a Brahimin conspiracy against Marylyn Monroe by John F Kennedy was as funny…

    Life is funny !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Bants, the community to which Aishwarya Rai belongs, are a very prosperous, very progressive, closely knit Mangalore-centred community of Karnataka.

    They have educational institutions, banks, Hospitals, big business houses etc.

    This community also has huge land holdings.

    They have never been under the tyranny of brahmins nor are they ever intimidated by the advantages the brahmins had in the filed of education.

    The best thing is that they have used the social diparities, differences, inequities and also rural-urban divide to their advantage and grown spectacularly. Dr. Devi Shetty is a good example.

    As for Salman Khan, Aishwarya Rai was far too good for him and she would have been a fool to fall for his charms, though I must hasten to add, I love Salman more than I adore Aishwarya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely lucid. Wonder if Engrich will get the message, though being a communal guy his chest will swell with the last line…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay/Shenoy,

    Our friend Engrich visits this blog for a noble cause.. We all have taken a wrong path in
    our life which will take us to the hell. Engrich is on a mission to save us from that
    ordeal. That is the reason he regularly give us sermons by writing intellectual posts.
    Let me admit that he has changed me completely and because of that I have stopped
    arguing with him as I believe in whatever he writes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shall we also change your name to Mohsin?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohsin Mohammad Mubarak

    poora naam.

    engrich Reply:

    They have never been under the tyranny of brahmins nor are they ever intimidated by the advantages the brahmins had in the filed of education

    in hinduism richness can not elevate u.women is between shudra and chandal as per instruction of lord krishna in gita.she is out of 4 casts.
    for thousands of years they were murdered through sati and nari prathas.
    millions and millions of women were donated to temples to be used by pujarees.

    nuns of budhhdists were sent to temples to raped and used bhangedi and nasedi pujari.that is why lata mangeshkar is unmarried till now.

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    engrich Reply:

    it is right.banana tree is his first husband.salman would have saved her from this humiliation and insult.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ THE ORIGINAL VANDE MATRAM– call it over the top patrioitism… but sounds good~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    bônde matorom
    shujolang shupholang
    môloyôjoshitolam
    shoshsho shêmolang
    matorom
    bônde matorom

    shubhro jotsna
    pulokito jaminim
    phullo kushumito
    drumodôloshobhinim
    shuhashinim
    shumodhuro bhashinim
    shukhodang bôrodang
    matorom
    bônde matorom
    vande mātaram
    sujalāṃ suphalāṃ
    malayajaśītalām
    śasya śyāmalāṃ
    mātaram
    vande mātaram

    śubhra jyotsnā
    pulakita yāminīm
    phulla kusumita
    drumadalaśobhinīm
    suhāsinīṃ
    sumadhura bhāṣiṇīm
    sukhadāṃ varadāṃ
    mātaram
    vande mātaram

    [edit] Translation into EnglishHere is the translation in prose of the above two stanzas rendered by Sri Aurobindo Ghose. This has also been adopted by the Government of India’s national portal [1] It should be noted that the original Vande Mataram consists of six stanzas and the translation in prose for the complete poem by Shri Aurobindo appeared in Karmayogin, 20 November 1909.[4]

    Sri Aurobindo GhoseI show gratitude to thee, Mother,
    richly-watered, richly-fruited,
    cool with the winds of the south,
    dark with the crops of the harvests,
    The Mother!

    Her nights rejoicing in the glory of the moonlight,
    her lands clothed beautifully with her trees in flowering bloom,
    sweet of laughter, sweet of speech,
    The Mother, giver of boons, giver of bliss.

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    engrich Reply:

    national song is written to praise nation not devi devtas of certain region.even rabindra nath tagore objected this.in anand math itisused as war cry of hindu masses against mulims landlord.bankim was traitor collaborator brhmnst and terrorist wrote this novel to apease his british bosses.at the end of novel one hindu religious figure who advises hindus to help british robbers to establish themselves and kill muslims.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad,

    you said, ..”Someone should write a book ‘How Not To Lead People’s Movement’” based on the Team Anna’s nautanki. …

    Manohar Sir,

    Though you said it in jest, it actually is a terrific management case study. I will not be surprised if it finds its way into top management school.”

    Now I suggest you join this congressi troll and write the book jointly.

    You are sure to win the Cooker’s prize.

    On my part, I will quietly nudge Vijay Kumar to eliminate all others in the short list, though I confess, it may be difficult to ignore the claims of Fake Ravi-engrich written, ISI inspired and financed book on “jihad and wahabism & how to destroy India”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    You have certain specialities and you are good at those things.

    What you consider to be matter of trivial could be a serious research study for somebody.

    A management guru is not trained to diagnose symptoms of cholera or find fault in a cryogenic engine. And for most people, management fundamentals are just plain English. They do not find anything technical in any of the management theories.

    You actually do not know there could be someone out there doing research on this movement !

    For example, I always looked at any project and wondered how Google would do it and steered my thoughts towards that. And soon I found a book ” How would Google Do ?” – somebody had actually written a whole book on it !

    So Shenoy Sir ! You just never know !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji,

    I agree with you on several points you have made here.

    “You actually do not know there could be someone out there doing research on this movement!”——I actually know several management experts and not-such-experts too who are doing research on the said movement.

    In fact, doing research on management subjects is not such a tough task.

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  • Anonymous

    Friends interested in Gen V K Singh’s case may like to read Seema Mustafa’s column on Rediff.com. ….gives credence to the suspicions behind the conduct of the Government.. indeed UPA ..a government of scamsters , scumsters and tricksters.
    Survey by Sahara on the UP elections. Interesting story. Gives No1 to SP, No 2 to BJP, No 3 to BSP and No 4 to Congress…..interesting… more so because of its huge sample size.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    How many seats for each?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prhalad

    if this survey turns out true… is’nt it cow dung on the subversient media which has covered Rahul-Digviansh-Rahul-Digviansh Rahul-Digviansh for the entire UP polls ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am sure you are not new to the media polls. Many exit polls including famous astrologers’ predictions have horribly gone wrong ! Sahara is hardly known for its “research capabilities”. For all its worth you know, it could just be a shadow / proxy advertising of SP brand to bypass the code of conduct and paid news.

    I know there are senior leaders who do not visit certain constituencies for the fear that their alliance might lose votes !

    Mr Rahul Gandhi atleast is leading from the front without bothering about risk on the Gandhi brand !

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘ I know there are senior leaders who do not visit certain constituencies for the fear that their alliance might lose votes ! ‘

    ‘ Mr Rahul Gandhi atleast is leading from the front without bothering about risk on the Gandhi brand ! ‘

    Prahlad,

    These are two different strategies adopted by different political parties to fight these
    elections. You don’t have to praise only Rahul Gandhi more than he deserves for the
    strategy his party has formed for this election.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I also know of some alliance partners who say that Congress played the Rushdie card to get the Muslim votes in UP. Now, which one would you rather have? They are also contesting in 48 out of 60 seats in Manipur.

    Alliance partners respecting each other’s sensibilities or the one’s outwitting each other.

    And, Rahul Gandhi led from the front in Bihar too – I love reminding this to those who care.

    You may judge him by what he is capable of, however, I judge him by what he has already achieved!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji,

    it is not Rahul leading from the front that is worrying us. Because, if Bihar, TN and Kerala are any indications, UP too will be a pebble in the pond.

    It is Digvinash leding Rahul from the front that is worrysome.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I also know of some alliance partners who say that Congress played the Rushdie card to get the Muslim votes in UP. They are also contesting in 48 out of 60 seats in Manipur. Now, which one would you rather have? Alliance partners respecting each other’s sensibilities or the one’s outwitting each other.

    And, Rahul Gandhi led from the front in Bihar too – I love reminding this to those who care. You may judge him by what he is capable of, however, I judge him by what he has already achieved!!

    engrich Reply:

    Rushdie card to get the Muslim votes in UP

    truth is other way around actually hindu zoinists used to promote their vote bank politics.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay …this story too is on Rediff.com. Does not give seats but talks about vote share.
    I am no expert on poilitics but .. in my opinion Uma Bharti and Babu Lal Kushwaha shall add to BJP’S support

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    Some say that Sahara has its own Gestapo which could be as formidable as that of Chidambaram.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    It will be SP/Congress or BSP leading the govt with BJP a distant fourth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure there will be CBI raids on Sahara offices.
    Chidambaram’s Gestapo will now hound Subrata Roy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gen Singh’s issue is his own making. Let us not blame UPA for this. He should have and could have taken care of this the year he joined or all these years without having to wait for his last year and the hangama. He should be summarily fired!

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  • Anonymous

    BONDING ON THIS BLOG
    _________________________________

    Yesterday riswan slammed RAVI for his sttooopid comments which result in reactionary islamophobia. Surprisingly engerich agreed.
    Then dr Mishraji drunk on mahua and vandey mataram cyber embraced engerich cos he said, I left India but India never left me. Chho chweet . Oye viju can you plesse send RAVI a cyber hug, he must feel left out. Do it for Aman ki asha, hehe
    Now Sir Shreeman prahlad jiPadam Shri, thanks sirji you have raised standards on blog for politeness otherwise we had got used to RAVI abusing bhagwan ram. Jokes besides, totally agree with you that parliament is supreme over panchayat.
    Gopi how you slip up here man, village head is diffrrent fromnational head. Economy is decided by Manmohan singh and MMS not Chautalas bhatija

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    Ravi Reply:

    You may be mistaking me for some one who is insecure.

    Vijay need not waste his hug on me. There are many trees in Noida, he can show some of his affection to.

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    engrich Reply:

    ram is king in epic ramanaya not bhagwan.brhmn bhardwaj submiitted affidefit in supreme court that ram is not part of history.brhmnst used his name to carry out his plan of destrying india and make indian poorer.ramlila was started by nawab wajid ali shah of lucmnow.

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    engrich Reply:

    kya likh diya tha apne ki sare log apke against ho gaye hai.ram was not bhagwan.

    i challanged to all brhmns and non brhmns,if they have seen any ram temple any where in northern india including in ayodhya.i again renew this challenge.

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    Ravi Reply:

    कब से हूँ क्या बताओं जहाँ-ऐ-खराब में
    शब् आये हिज्र को भी रखूँ गर हिसाब में

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Thank you for the kind comment. I knew you wre reading each and every word written here. I love trees and also admire the chipko movement. I am on way to achieving enlightment under a peepal tree and wish the same to you.

    By the way there is a booker prize for postings announced on this site….

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    engrich Reply:

    Surprisingly engerich agreed.

    sorry balwinder it was a mistake.i could not understand the content.i still dont know what ravi has written.ram was king in ramanaya.made bhagwan by brhmnst to perpetuate blood bath.

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  • Anonymous

    India Jekyll and Hide.

    Good interesting article.

    India – The best and the worst.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/jekyll-and-hyde-india

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Thanks.

    This is somewhat in line with what Aditya Sinha’s blog, where it was mentioned many things we were scared of. It is high time we got our priorities right. If you recall, earlier I had stated who wants to see a hungry family in some goddam hamlet in some dusty part go the country on TV.

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  • Anonymous

    Got to know a little more about Nehru’s chutiya foreign policy…Pramit Pal Chaudhri’s latest post on his blog… never miss his blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Back to the Past!!!!

    BJP promises Ayodhya temple in manifesto

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/Coverage/Assembly-Elections-2012/Chunk-HT-UI-AssemblyElections2012-UP-OtherStories/Back-to-the-past-BJP-promises-Ayodhya-temple-in-manifesto/SP-Article10-802736.aspx

    With Sadhvi Uma Bharti, a prominent Ayodhya movement leader, joining UP electoral battle, the BJP has once against gone back to Ram Temple agenda.
    The party in its manifesto released in Lucknow on Friday announced to construct a grand temple in Ayodhya. Releasing the document the state BJP president Surya Pratap Shahi, Uma Bharti, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and other leaders said that the party was committed for the construction of Ram Temple in Ayodhya.

    —————-

    People of this country wish to concentrate on progress and development, but then BJP is party with a ‘difference’.

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    engrich Reply:

    kuttey ke dum 12 saal bhi seedhe nahin ho sakti.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, the voters of UP have done even more stupid things!
    God save UP from these “leaders”!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Construction on Ram Temple is only “a part” of the manifesto and not “the only manifesto”. You read what you want to read and amuse yourself.

    As it stands today, the Hon’ble HC has declared the disputed site as the birth place of Lord Rama and the BJP doesn’t need to be apologetic about its support to building a grand temple there.

    And according to which theory, we won’t progress if we build the temple?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    The final word on the site is yet to be decided by the Supreme Court. On the first reading, the Supreme Court it has slammed the High Court verdict. Now we have to wait many years on the final judgment.

    The same theory that is applicable to Mayawati’s Statues and Elephants.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ☺☺☺

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ishwar

    How the hell did you manage the smilies. Disqus has killed half the fun here by removing the option of smileys…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Alt+1

    It does make these smilies… however small.

    Anonymous Reply:

    smilies have been killed with a purpose.

    Kyonki Vinod Sharma hates smilies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I always see uncle vindo smiling on TV :)

    Maybe he learnt it from my smileys !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress should counter BJP’s temple with-
    1. 10 Mosques in Ayodhya named after Nehru-Gandhis.
    2. 15% reservation for muslims.
    3. 100% reservation for IM and LeT cadres in Digvijay-Rahul Gang.

    This is the only way to protect secular ideals of this Islamic nation of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Indira Ghandy “15% Muslims-Only Aarakshan Yojana”

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  • Ravi

    When I lived in Delhi, most of the Military bands played the following patriotic song, during the Republic Day parade a proper national anthem it was in those days and still remains.

    Saare Jahaan Se Accha Hindustaan Hamaara
    Ham Bulbulain Hai Is Ki, Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara
    Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara

    Ghurbat Mein Hon Agar Ham, Rehta Hai Dil Watan Mein
    Samjho Wahin Hamain Bhi, Dil Hai Jahaan Hamaara

    Parvat Woh Sab Se Ooncha, Hamsaaya Aasmaan Ka
    Woh Santri Hamaara, Woh Paasbaan Hamaara
    Saare Jahaan Se Accha Hindustaan Hamaara
    Ham Bulbulain Hai Is Ki, Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara
    Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara

    Godi Mein Khelti Hain Is Ki Hazaaron Nadiyaan
    Gulshan Hai Jis Ke Dam Se Rashk-E-Jahaan Hamaara
    Mazhab Nahi Sikhaata Aapas Mein Beyr Rakhna
    Hindi Hain Ham Watan Hai, Hindoostaan Hamaara
    Hindi Hain Ham Watan Hai, Hindoostaan Hamaara

    Saare Jahaan Se Accha Hindustaan Hamaara
    Ham Bulbulain Hai Is Ki, Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara
    Yeh Gulsitaan Hamaara

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I thought you never believed in wearing patriotism on the sleeve. Surprised
    to see you posting SAARE JAHAN SE ACCHA.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    It is a great Anthem. It manages to raise the hair at the back of my Neck.
    I am Patriotic, just not a drum beater.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    Something to say ‘cheers’ to
    ————————–

    When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
    –Henny Youngman

    Reality is an illusion that occurs due to lack of alcohol.
    –Anonymous

    A woman drove me to drink and I didn’t even have the decency to thank her.
    –Anonymous

    24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?
    –Stephen Wright

    Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
    –Benjamin Franklin

    Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
    –Dave Barry

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  • Anonymous

    ‘Third Jihad’: Muslims demand NY police chief’s head

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/Third-Jihad-Muslims-demand-NY-police-chiefs-head/articleshow/11652399.cms

    New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly is under fire from civil rights group, who are demanding his resignation over his appearance in an inflammatory anti-Muslim film shown to his department’s officers during training.

    The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) said Kelly and Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne should immediately resign from their positions for taking part in the production of the ‘Third Jihad’, “a blatantly bigoted and hate-filled film vilifying the American-Muslim community”.

    ———–

    Anyone seen the film?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The Gujarat COngress has risen above petty politics of Chaotta baba Rahul and Digviansh and called Narendra Modi dynamic, hardworkign, full of ideas, a master organiser and the guy who will create a vibrant gujarat.

    I think you should also take a cue out of the statesmanship of Gujarat Congress and acknowledge the contribution of narendra Modi. Let us also pray that Soniaji and Chotta baba Rahulji also rise and learn,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    See my response above.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ BJP announces secular agenda~~~ Congress is communal ~~~~~~~~~~
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    A lot of people support the Congress becasue the suffer from the domestic servant mentality of serving a family….

    The COngress is the party which propped up Bhindranwale and begged at the door of the Shahi Imam to issue a fatwa to support it. Today it wooes votes by saying Osamaji, reservation along religious lines and saluting LeT and fudging terroirsm in 26/11.

    It is doing exactly what the father of the dunce did 25 years back by denying Muslim women the right of equality.

    Sadly many of the star eyed Congressis on this blog just say “so what?”

    in contrast, BJP has promised scarpping religious reservations and model high quality schools in each district. This is something we all have been demanding. Education for all, without prejudice.

    Let us kcik this evil dynastic Congress in the bum.

    Prahlad ji I give you the honour fo delivering the first kick… !!

    Enjoy yourself … we are a democracy, the time of serving a family as doemstic servants has gone !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress ad in Gujarat praises Modi as a dynamic go getter trying to create a vibrant gujarat.

    Arre yeh kya ho gaya? Galti se sach toh nahi nikal gaya?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I too noticed that.
    Heads will probably will roll in the Congress party or is there some new ‘chaal’ from the Congress? The next few days will be interesting to watch.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    It is possible that the Gujarat Congress has risen above Chotta baba’s petty politics and Digvinash’s salute to LeT and Osamaji.

    I think we should all learn from the statemanshop of Gujarat Congress. Prahald and Vinodji should be the first ones.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I also noticed your sudden new found ‘admiration’ for the Gujarat Congressmen. Why?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Becasue they were wise enough to acknowledge the truth. That Chotta baba is a dunce and Digviansh a communal failure. Let them learn from Modi’s administrative acuemen and ask Soniaji to learn from modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If Rahul Gandhi is a dunce, then how can he learn any ‘wisdom’ and ’statesmanship’ from the Gujarat Congress or for that matter from anyone else?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Manohar is right. It may be new Chaal from Congress because all congress can do is to fool. The fact is Congress is defeated party in Gujarat and will remain so.

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    Prahlad_k Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    The advertisement you are talking about :

    1) Is it an advertisement placed in the main newspaper ? Or, an insert ?

    2) Is it placed by the state Congress party ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Smon you can create the spin tomorrow… let us enjoy the truth today…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Then enjoy as long it lasts !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji Sirji,

    yes, let us enjoy now when the truth has come out, particularly after 10 years of opposition to Modi.

    Let us enjoy more when the Gujrat congress joins BJP en-block, like Bhajan Lal did in Haryana.

  • Anonymous

    Oye apna sangeet bolo apna sangeet
    ____________
    Monty panesar puttar khoob khush keeta. Kya doosra aur teesra maara Pakistan par. All u ppl can cry over team India.
    This sardar supports our dancing nihang, most loved mascot of barmy army, Monty Panesar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    We are a nation of family planning now. Teesra is frowned upon in India now…

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  • Anonymous

    This is interview of Mr.Maino father of Sonia Gandhi. It is a must read. See how father of so-called liberal is proud fascist and admirer of Mussolini. I’d like Congressi-Jihadis to read the true background of their leader. This link is from pro-congress publication called OUTLOOK.

    “Maino declared his unwavering loyalty to Mussolini and Italy’s ‘admirable’ fascist past. The words streamed forth. The current Italian government was composed of a bunch of traitors who had betrayed Mussolini and the Fatherland. All the modern Italian political parties were hopeless, except the neo-fascist front. ”

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?205112

    SPOTLIGHT
    Meeting Mr Maino
    “After Sonia’s marriage, everyone thinks we have got rich. But the marriage has been an expensive thing for us.”

    THE sparkling white colonnades of 10, Janpath are a long way in distance, time and the trappings of power from 14, Via Bellini, a nondescript house in a slushy lane of Orbassano, a grey industrial town on the outskirts of Turin, the city which exports Fiat cars and machines. That house was proudly built by the rough-hewn hands of Stefano Maino, a building worker who after years of effort had established a small construction business by the 1960s.

    He took special pride in his work-worn hands and in the dignity of labour which had motivated him to build a bungalow for his wife and three daughters, Sonia, Nadia and Anoushka. He waved those hands before me some 20 years ago in Orbassano to illustrate that he was a self-made man who had created all that he owned with his own labour. He wished to disprove the allegations made even then that the Maino family had grown rich due to its Gandhi connection.

    At that time, in the autumn of 1977, shortly after the Emergency, Maino was not too happy about his daughter Sonia’s Indian connections. He resignedly noted: “After Sonia’s marriage everyone thinks we have got rich and made free trips to India. But we have paid for everything ourselves. Sonia’s marriage has been an expensive thing for us.” He also mentioned that Sonia, her husband and children and their ayah, too, used to descend on Orbassano during the summer holidays, causing considerable expense. On the other hand, he claimed he had helped India’s foreign exchange position by encouraging several of his friends to visit India as tourists.

    Maino had absolute faith in the integrity of his son-in-law Rajiv. He was confident “that Rajiv has no connections in the Boeing or any other deal. Rajiv is not in the least interested in such matters”. As for the corruption charges then being made against Sanjay Gandhi, “he is just a boy and businessmen and politicians may have used him…. Sanjay is a young politician and not very experienced. That is why he has not been successful.”

    Indira Gandhi’s arrest in 1977 on the orders of the then home minister, Charan Singh, had worried Maino, but not much. He was mainly worried about the future of his grandchildren, Priyanka and Rahul. He glanced at the silver-framed portrait of Indira Gandhi with Priyanka and Rahul and declared: “Mrs Gandhi is the only person in India who can do good things for India.”

    Apart from the portrait, the other prominent feature of the dimly-lit front room of Maino’s house was the collection of leather-bound speeches and writings of Benito Mussolini. I looked pointedly at them. Without batting an eyelid, Maino declared his unwavering loyalty to Mussolini and Italy’s ‘admirable’ fascist past. The words streamed forth. The current Italian government was composed of a bunch of traitors who had betrayed Mussolini and the Fatherland. All the modern Italian political parties were hopeless, except the neo-fascist front. What Italians needed was compulsory sterilisation. Indira Gandhi smiled benignly out of the silver-frame. Nadia, Sonia’s petite and pretty younger sister, sitting beside her father, looked decidedly embarrassed.

    That did not stop Stefano Maino’s frank and forthright expression of his views on life and politics. After all, he had proudly fought against the Russian Reds alongside Hitler’s Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front in World War II. The bold and direct manner of the soldier remained with him. I felt a tinge of sadness when this blunt and straightforward man died a few years ago. Perhaps, he is up there somewhere, directing his daughter to shed her self-imposed solitude and sophistry, and to launch a bold electoral blitzkrieg on the Indian people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre Rajiv

    just check up Maybe Maino has khaki nickker and kali topi !! He could be a RSS guy… as dunces who shout RSS RSS when they are tongue tied and suffer from low IQ want us to beleive :)

    Maino could be MOhan Bhagwat in disguise ! Imagine Chotta Baba also has RSS hand behind him…

    Maybe Engrich is a double RSS agent and R a reincarnation of Golwalker…

    Arre wah !! what fun !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju/rajeev

    WELL, it is Indians who put her there…let us not blame her…blame the so called congress leaders

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    Ravi Reply:

    Not forgetting the fact that it is her Father who is fascist and not herself.

    She cannot help what her father is, any more than any of us can.

    Not sure what the point was. Unless of course if one thinks fascism is transmittable to one’s children.

    This is a pathetic attempt to have a go at Sonia for the beliefs of her Father.

    Furthermore, there is an attempt here to confuse Italian Fascism with German Nazi’s.

    Is Rahul flying because his father was a Pilot??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonia’s father is self-confessed fascist but Sonia still maintains relation with this war criminal. Does that not mean Sonia accepts father’s fascist legacy?

    You slam Anna of being RSS man even based on some random pictures or random blabbering by Diggi.

    Why do you guys have double standards?

    Sonia has displayed her fascist streak number of times trying to subvert constitutional authorities by appointing pooches to the post of President, VP, PM and Lok Sabha speaker. Looks like CEC is the new pooch on the block.

    As far as Rahul is concerned, he is too thick to have an ideology of his own. He too is fascist like him NANA.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But the funny one Maino belched out was helping “us” poor Indians by bolstering our foriegn exhcange by sending “rich” italians here as tourists!

    Wow!

    the Italy I remember is a historical place with companies which are history. Fiat, vespa, Lambretta. quotrochchi…… YAWN>>> and of course the maino companies here

    Anonymous Reply:

    ——————————————————–
    ~~Where Italy beats India ~~~
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    Here are a few ways in which Italy actually beats India

    a) Quality of mafia: The mafia which I sometimes interact with in India in haryana, Delhi and UP are slimy politiicans fo the potbellied variety. Italian mafia of Sunny and micheal Corleone of maria puzo’s Godfather with Al Pacino style was definately classier

    2. Quality of Dhalas : India’s ace Dhala is Amar Singh Dahla. Italy had Berlosconi who supplied girls to Gadaffi. Berlosconi spoke English better than Anar SIngh Dhala who seemd to have permanent gas prblems.

    I think Berrlosconi Dahla beats Amar Singh Dahla. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Not sure what the point was”

    Something new has to be hurled at the objects of hate – part of the daily diet, however improbable or idiotic that new is. Guilt by association has been hurled at others too – it is another ‘tool’ in the RSS’ armory to target its ‘enemies’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now even father of Sonia is RSS tool…What a slave congressi!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Please can you verify the following?

    1. Are children of Politician’s forbidden to take part in Indian Elections?

    2. Does Rahul Gandhi go around saying please Vote for me because of my parentage rather than my personal qualities or lack of them?

    3. Are the electorate of his constituency that stupid that they are unable to judge him for him-self and instead vote because of his parentage?

    4. Did Maenka and her Son not trade on the name of Gandhi and form a mini dynasty?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    4) Please do not associate Maneka and Varun with the family, it is a ‘blasphemy’ in the books of the BJP supporters. They ‘purified’ themselves by aligning with the BJP – goodness by association you see, as opposed to guilt/badness by association.

    Rest of your points
    1) No if you ask me. Yes, if you ask BJP supporters. I had given a long list of family members of BJP in politics (couple of blogs earlier) to Vijay, but in BJP it is no sin. The sinners are always on the other side.

    2) No, if you ask me. Yes, if you ask the BJP supporters.

    3) No, if you ask me. Yes, if you ask the BJP supporters. The voters of India are stupid (according to BJP and their admirers) if they vote for the Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar and oal. just check out the meaning of sevle domestic servant mentality

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonia Gandhi has been a targetted by fundoos all along. Nothing new.
    Trouble with such un-tenable and shalllow personal attacks is they tend to be on person and not the policies.
    But then, discussing polciies and being a critique of policies was never their forte.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    How true and also so sad.

    It reduces the attraction of this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahesh

    Of course you would have never noitced that she has never never faced a press interview except the “fixed’ ones where she talks about the glory of ther husbandl and mother in law.

    But then u will never notice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another mark of fascism…never ever answer any question or be faced with criticism..

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know which ones are fixed ?
    Besides, what is your point anyway ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Once she came on the scene, the BJP has been made to sit on the opposition benches. Whether her being on the forefront was the reason is besides the point, IMO it was not – the principle reason and other reasons lie somewhere else. The BJP and their supporters hold the Congress responsible for their defeats (and that is good enough reason for targeting), the Indian voter does not come into the picture and does not matter at all in their books, forgetting the fact the same set put the BJP in power in the late 90s, then they were wise and when the BJP got two mighty kicks, they became otherwise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You will soon see Sonia sitting in opposition..hauled up for 2G scam, soiling her Sari in SC…Days are numbered.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “But then, discussing policies and being a critique of policies was never their forte”.

    It is demonstrated here day-in-and-day-out by the hour by two of their very experienced veteran ’stalwarts’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So even Sonia’s father who is fascist, is maligning Sonia Gandhi…Chamchagiri ki Hadd kar di.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    That exactly is the point. If we concede that Sonia did not inherit the legacy of fasciscm of maino, why shjould we beleive Chotta baba inherited the wisdom of nehru just becasue fo birth?

    Anonymous Reply:

    In your books, Nehru was wise???????????

    Anonymous Reply:

    The man who justified Chinese invasion in 1962 saying ‘Not a blade of grass grows in Aksai chin’…Was he a wise man or too full of himself?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nehru was wise and clever to take the PM seat… even though Patel would have been better as PM. he was wise and clever to have sown the seeds of a dynasty…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the clarification, as your remark went against the grain of your philosophy re: Nehru- Gandhi family and it was bit confusing for me.

    Combining your two posts, does it mean Rahul will not further sow the seeds of dynasty, as you do not believe he is capable of inheriting Pandit Nehru’s ‘wisdom’?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Whether Sardar Patel would have been a better PM or not can only be matter of conjecture. We cannot rewind history and have rerun with him as the PM. If you believe so, I have no problem. As for me, I do not know for the reason given just above.

    Do not forget he was also an out and out Congressman, never mind the desperate attempts by the BJP to own him exclusively, I repeat exclusively.

    I do not see the same fervour in eulogising Shyama Prasad Mukherjee and Deen Dayal Upadhaya – the Jan Sangh stalwarts. Why? Were they not as great as Sardar Patel in your books? Wouldn’t they have been even better Prime Ministers?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    As you are convinced that Sardar Patel would have been a better Prime Minister (he never was) than Pandit Nehru, here are two questions

    1) Would L K Advani (he has never been) be a better Prime Minister than Sardar Patel?

    2) Would Narendra Modi (he has never been) be a better Prime Minister than Sardar Patel?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Typical congressi BS…
    Question is-
    Is Manmohan really the PM? Who is really to blame for 2G and CWG scams? Sonia or her puppet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Typical disoriented, hallucinating congressi troll doing bakwas here, purely out of frustration.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    India is land of poor people who can be bought by distributing Khairaat/Bribe and if it doesn’t work, quota is the answer.

    As far as muslims are concerned, promise them more support for Islamism and get their votes.

    It is sad that not one journalist has tried to expose Sonia’s past to the people of India. I am sure at least educated ones (except for slaves) will never vote for her after knowing her fascist tendencies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Indians will do anything to please white skins. Even slightly brown would do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Sonia too is fascist. This is evident from the fact how she used pooches like Kapil Sibal and Diggi to silence Ramdev and Anna.

    The congressi troll will even defend Sonia’s fascist past and current link as some fabrication. The next non-Congress govt. should haul up Sonia and put her and her pilla in Jail for promoting fascism in India.

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  • Anonymous

    It is quite funny looking at argument of PrahaladK and co. defending Sonia’s fascist past and current fascist tendencies.

    A random photo of Anna with RSS guys makes him RSS wallah whereas Sonia’s established fascist past and current fascist links mean nothing to Congressi-Jihadi combine.

    This PrahaladK seems to be working from Digvijay’s office. Truly a Congressi…talking with forked tongue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He has been instructed to say ’sir’ even to the confirmed jihadi and the Islamic pig, engrich.

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  • Anonymous

    Now we know why Sonia did not take up Indian citizenship for 16 years. Why is she a still very committed catholic?

    This is because she is fascist and considers Indians to be inferior race and nation.

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  • Ravi

    Manohar & Mahesh

    What name would you give to the trick which incongruously juxtaposes words such as Fascist and Communal, with Congress and Sonia, while completely ignoring the Fascist foundations, policies, uniform, organisational structure and out-look of their alma mater – The RSS

    Can you also reccomend a cure for Hallucinations.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Hallucinations”

    When a Sikh justifies Islamic terror and wails for Osama, Is that the Hallucination or reality?

    How come Congressis and Jihadis on this blog work together? Is it because Islam is compatible with both Congress and fascism?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Only if people did not hallucinate, abuse, label-plaster and host of other things, what great place this world and this blog would be. As I write, the night-shift ’stalwart’ is furiously busy in all or some of the above. It is a tango, the day-shift one will follow and carry on where the former left off. As of now no cure has been found for the above malfunctions.

    Trick! It is no trick. It is par for the course for RSS and its apologists to tarnish their objects of hate with every brush they can lay their hands on.

    As Mahesh rightly says, debating the issues is not the forte. How can it be? It is not par for the course for the RSS ans its apologists.

    Watch this space, even this will attract abuse and label-plastering. The night-shift man is on the job.

    Ravi

    Late edition:

    It look less than 2 minutes for abusive response, though not invited to the party. Bad habits die hard.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow!!! look who is talking? A self-confessed terrorist and Jehadi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    One has to acknowledge speed even if totaly devoid of accuracy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One has to admire Shamelessness of Jihadi who is also congress supporter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When one becomes friendless and lonely, and is being haunted by the prospect of rout for congress in UP and later in parliament, sharing the bed with the jihadis is par for the course for the congressi troll.

    But, Rajeev, have some sympathy for the troll, because he has got totally disoriented by the Sahara whammy of a opinion poll and the India Today poll has come as a double whammy. If he now pours out his deep anguish at the turn of events, how can he avoid the horse-shit being outpoured here?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I repeat – bad habits die hard.

    It is fun to see them cringe & squirm and as a reflex action resort to abuse and labeling. One would be surprised, if they did otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    Digvijays Calls Osama, Osamaji…Rahul gives clean chit to LeT, Digvijay bats for IM terrorists..both these clowns are close to Sonia (one is son) and still people think Sonia is secular..She is classic fascist working behind the scenes.

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    engrich Reply:

    Digvijays Calls Osama, Osamaji

    so what ossama was not enemy of india or indians.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Humour on this blog is a killer-””””””””’

    Balwinder praaji gets ecstatic over Monty Panesar and says ‘ Monty panesar puttar khoob khush keeta. Kya doosra aur teesra maara ‘

    Vijay was brilliant in his reply- ‘ We are a nation of family planning now. Teesra is frowned upon in India now’ haha
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    Mohan ‘When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading’
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    then our beloved praa says ‘ Oye viju can you plesse send RAVI a cyber hug, he must feel left out. Do it for Aman ki asha, hehe’
    ouch that must have hurt. Did everyone else miss the implication here…….. do I have to explain it, brill
    —————————–
    and then to be fair when praaji said- this is gentleman’s blog- Ravi came back with a cute one liner ‘if so, then what are you doing here’
    ———————
    sorry praaji, dont shoot the messenger but it was kind of funny
    great gus keep it coming, now I think of our alcoholics here- Mohan and Viju and start my first glass of mahua

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,
    Just curious..Are you always drunk? Looks like Brahmins have now starting enjoying both Sharab and Shabab..gone are the days when they used to have maximum fun eating Terahi or sucking blood of people at wedding and shamshan ghats.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    cmon Rajeev. Dr mishra never postted anyhing which had a Brahmin agenda. And anyway a little bitt of wine never did any harm to anyone…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Long long ago, brahmins used to dance to the effects of som ras. Dr.Mishra is only becoming voluble by consuming mahua.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji tussi dostt ho ya dushman? Lagta hai aaj bhaut peeti. Kal engrich ko praise kar rahe they, aaj Ravi ka life ka first and last joke ko chaney ki jhsad pey chadha rahe ho?
    And rajeev is right , when did you suddenly become Keshto. Leave the heavy drinking to Vijay and myself, it takes several generations to devlop strong liver

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  • Ravi

    For Mohan.

    “For some time, many of us have wondered who is Jack Shit?

    We find ourselves at a loss when someone says “You don’t know Jack Shit”.

    Well, thanks to my efforts you can now respond in an intellectual way.

    Jack Shit is the only son of Awe Shit, who married O Shit, The couple had 6 children. Holy Shit, Giva Shit, Fulla Shit, Bull Shit and the twins Deep Shit and Dip Shit. Deep Shit married Dumb Shit, a high school dropout. After 15 years, Jack and No Shit got divorced and she married Ted Sherlock and became No Shit Sherlock .

    Meanwhile, Dip Shit married Shit Happens. Bull Shit travelled the world and returned home with an Italian bride, Pisa Shit.

    So tell me now you don’t know Jack Shit.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    shit-mastishk dishing out ashwa-shit in the shivering sheeth lehar of a London gutter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I don’t know what the ‘ shit ‘ you are talking about .

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  • Anonymous

    Response to the BJP Manifesto re: promise to build ‘grand temple’

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Specials/Coverage/Assembly-Elections-2012/Chunk-HT-UI-AssemblyElections2012-UP-TopStories/BJP-promises-temple-cows-Cong-jobs-quota/SP-Article10-802926.aspx

    Mahant Bhaskar Das, 83, and Hashim Ansari, 92 — the only two living original litigants in the dispute over the site — laughed at the temple promise. Das said, “What’s new. They ‘build’ one every election, and forget it post-election.”

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    Ravi Reply:

    Not exactly radical, is it??

    3000 years ago what Indians needed was a Cow and a Temple. Once again they are being offered a Cow and a Temple. As if nothing much has changed in the intervening years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    That smacks of oversimplification and your inherent bias against India/Hindus..

    Indians (or whoever was there at that time) were busy building one of the first “universities” Takshashila (Taxila) three thousand years ago ..

    There are no archaeological or historical records that Indians were content with a cow and temple at that time.. I wonder where you got the idea.

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    engrich Reply:

    taxila was built by great budhhdists whom u destroyed.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    My reference to Cow and Temple ancient India was as a response to the BJP manifesto.

    I was not attempting to review the entire history of India in a single blog. That is your oversimplification.

    Your attack on me was unwarranted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    no, it is well deserved and timely.

    Anti-Indian, anti-Hindu jihadis need to be attacked every time they open their mouth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your view, jaundiced by your Islamic thinking is ably supported by the fundamentalist congressi troll.

    Fakes opining on what Hindus need.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I too tend disagree with you as Gopi.

    What the BJP is promising is their (distorted) version called Hindutva, where temples matter. Come to think of it, gifting cows to the poor is not a bad idea, if it helps them to improve their livelihood, in fact it is better than other freebies being offered by others.

    Promising freebies is the latest name of the game, every party is indulging in it, so why castigate BJP alone?

    It is flogging a dead horse, if you ask me – temple in Ayodhya that needs to discussed. Whether it will help them or not is to be seen. Mahant Bhaskar Das, 83, and Hashim Ansari, 92 think it will not. However, this may be a move to ‘consolidate’ their vote among Hindus, knowing full well that minorities are not going to vote for them in any case.

    Of course, it is a false promise, the dispute is not going to be settled in the next 5 years by the Supreme Court, going by our track record. Even if it does, there is no guarantee that it will be settled in their ‘favour’, so where do they build the temple by 2017? Nefarious indeed.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Which bit of my post do you disagree with.

    Lets discuss. Becuase your post above does not indicate as to which element; Radical, Cow, Temple, do you disagree with.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That it was all cows and temples in ancient India. Anyway, you seem to have explained it in response to Gopi.

    As far as BJP is concerned, both the ‘promises’ are unlikely to be ‘fulfilled’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The day shift indulging in abuse/labeling is in full swing having taken over from the night shift ‘faithful’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    If you go by the figures involved, the free ‘cow’ scheme is unworkable

    Building on the ‘free cow’ theme, for example, the plan would cost Rs 56,000 crore to the state exchequer. Here’s how: there are 5.60 crore BPL families in the state, according to the latest economic survey, and a healthy cow costs Rs 10,000-Rs 20,000.

    The ‘free cow’ scheme, therefore, will eat up roughly 33 per cent of the total state budget (Rs 1,69,416 crore in 2011-12). But the BJP, going one step too far, promises a subsidy of Rs 750 per month for a cow and Rs 500 for a buffalo to the small and medium farmers.

    Ridiculing the manifesto, Saharanpur farmer Rajpal Fanpuri said: “There are over 635 lakh farmers in UP and 450 lakh of them have small and medium land holding. If the government gives Rs 500 per month to keep a cow or a buffalo, it will cost another Rs 27,000 crore. They are promising the moon. It just shows they are not serious about the farmers.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    That’s very interesting observation !

    ” They build one ( temple ) every election….! “

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji Sirji,

    what is the problem you have if Hindus want to build the Ram temple in Ayodhya?

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    engrich Reply:

    should built with permission of supreme court not through gundagadee.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Rajeev,

    It is sometimes alleged that Sonia Gandhi marrying Rajeev Gandhi is a conspiracy of Church to convert India to Christianity. It is alleged that Sonia is a Fascist as her father was associated with Mussolini army.

    In my opinion, both above allegation are not true.

    First on first allegation. These Grand Conspiracy theories only reside in some very weak minds, like our Engrich’s .No one is so strong to conceptualize such Conspiracies and put them actually to work.World and momentum of society is much stronger than any such Conspirator.

    On second allegation, the interview details of Sonia’s father do not point to that. He seems to be a hard working person who has in past worked for Mussolini army. Those were times in Italy when every young man was getting swayed by the general atmosphere.He still remembering with pride his army days and Mussolini does not seem to be from any Fascist thinking, It seems to be pure nostalgia.( I am only referring to text that you have posted. I have no other knowledge on this matter). Further, if Sonia had Fascist thinking, she would not have married Rajiv ( from a backward country in Fascist opinion ).

    Reason for a very ordinary person having such hold on this country that she has Selected and Appointed PM , President and many other govt. functionaries who are totally indebted to her, lies in VERY LOW CHARACTER OF WE INDIANS . I do not blame Sonia for that. Anyone else in her position would have done something similar or even worse.Did not Lallu win in three consecutive state elections with such pathetic work.. Is’nt govt in Maharashtra winning back to back when it provides such an inefficient governance.

    It is this Character that we have to Re-Build.We have to analyze truthfully where we are and where we have to go. Understand who we are, what we have been and what we can be.However, I am optimist. Things have started improving.Critical mass of right people with right thinking and action is building up. It is happening slowly, wish it can happen faster.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Amen. (if you pardon the use of a Christian expression)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    you can use the word, ‘ameen’, which would have been natural for you to use.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke-

    Absolutely right!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke-

    While we are at fault for creating leaders who in a normal course would not see the light of the day; it is the lack of “republicanism” that results in these. There are no individual Iindians, but Kamma Indian, Muslim Iindian, Dalit indian aimed at carving out group identities and benefits; nobody gives time to individuals, their rights, their responsibilities..

    It will be very difficult to bring in the needed positives unless the country gets out of the group mentality. The group mentality is what creates hereditary (read Nehru dynasty, Karunanidhi dynasty) leadership structure, “party power”…etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    Completely agree. I wonder if your post is going to make any difference to him and it will be ‘business’ as usual.

    It works like this – if one wishes to find fault to slam someone, a bent toenail is also good enough to do so.

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    engrich Reply:

    it applies on him.brhmns have looted india only recently by 20 lac crores swallowed most of the institutions and talking of taimur.almost all budhhdist were to temples to be raped pujarees.through sati and naripathas mudered billions of women and talking big.i dont remind them of their past atrocities on moolnivasis.muslim era was best era of indian history where people of all religions and thoughts were jointly contributig in the development of india.brhmn era was worst.let aaloke tell one major hospital or project of public interest was ever built by them.they live on hatred.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich

    Everything in the world is not due to ‘grand conspiracies’ of certain sections of the people.

    What someone did earlier or did not do is only to learn lessons from, but to link (and blame) it with everything that is happening today is very far fetched.

    engrich Reply:

    Everything in the world is not due to ‘grand conspiracies’ of certain sections of the people

    i totally agree with u mr mohan.but we should not accept the things without analysing it.muslims were blamed as bomb planter ultimately brhmnst were caught.sept11 and 26/11 simple question why no enquiry commission was made to reach truth.

    engrich Reply:

    almost all budhhdist were to temples

    almost all budhdhist nuns were sent to temples to be raped by pujaris.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    ‘ VERY LOW CHARACTER OF WE INDIANS’

    You have correctly hit the nail on the head. Nothing further to say is required.

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    engrich Reply:

    some positive movement in catching the corrupt is because of sonia jee.other wise cho-chor mausere bhai.i wish her long life and long grip on power.

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  • Anonymous

    Guy’s USA is bouncing back to 2.8 % growth. UK is going into recession and EU keeps digging holes under its heels. I mean EURO cannot survive in its present state , it is not rocket science. I mean whoever thought of it , was not an ANGLOSAXON , thus bereft of commonsense. I mean it is like MERCEDES BENZ franchising its trade mark , yet has no control on its use , like say a banyan sod with the name mercedes benz or a talcum powder, what chance is there for the mercedes benz name to shine .
    Same here NO CONTROL ON OTHER CENTRAL BANKS , or countries , they can borrow like hell , default , and then you expect EURO to hold , or rest of europe to bail out . Also if you build a team with players from 1st division , 2nd division 3rd division 4th division ALL LUMPED TOGETHER this is what you get. ALSO IT WAS A POLITICAL PROJECT , then LAWS OF ECONOMICS FOLLOWS LAWS OF ECONOMICS NOT POLITICAL IMPERATIVES.

    also read today in THE TIMES , USA IS GOING TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT IN OIL AND GAS BY 2030.
    Apparently OIL SANDS from canada and SHALE GAS , and NEW FINDS IN NORTH DAKOTA has fushed down gas prices from 5 dollar to 2.5 dollar /cuft.
    APPARENTLY USA WILL BE SOON EXPORTING GAS TO INDIA.
    This will have serious geo political consequence , China will step in the middle east andWILL MOLLYCODDLE REPRESSIVE REGIMES , but will be careful not to tread on israel’s feet.Russia will also loose leverage to some extent as dependency lessens

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    engrich Reply:

    uk is heavily under debt of bankers.i read loan is 100 time to their gdp.searching bankims in muslim countries to repay this.
    america will soon develop solar energy which will make usa as main source of energy instead of saudi arabia.next hundred years america will lead world in science and technology.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    The formation of Euro was signed at a city called Maastricht in Nederland
    in 1992. Many people at that time had called this as Mass Trick treaty.
    After 20 years it seems that it was in fact a MASS TRICK.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Reliance Industries is investing heavily in shale gas. Mukesh Amabani thinks
    that shale gas will be the main source for energy in future.

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  • Anonymous

    @Exbank manager from Konkan.
    Bankim Chatterjee was a GENIUS. It is for these people INDIA IS WHAT IT IS. He was fiercely patriotic ALBEIT HINDU PATRIOT. Though he dressed like a persian .
    There is no denying he held Muslim rule responsible for all of india’s ills. This may be because having came in contact with European civilization , he realised howregressive and backward ISLAMIC/ MUGHAL rule was . THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE UNIVERSITY BUILT. Jehangir apparently never seen sea. No wonder India did not have a naval force , the consequence was free ride by the europeans , landing here threr and every where they liked.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I wonder why the Islamic pig, engrich is silent.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you, Shaan Nirad Babu, that Bankim Chatterjee was a genius, but he was a brahmin, wasn’t he?

    Are Hindu patriots any less patriotic than say congress patriots?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre baba Engrich is talking in his other avtar and thru his chela now…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    ” No wonder India did not have a naval force , the consequence was free ride by the europeans , landing here threr and every where they liked.”
    While Mughals may not have felt the need for a navy – the marathas did have their own small navy built by Kanhoji Angre.
    Incidentally, as the turn of events had it – Peshwas and British collaborated bringing about end to Angre’s reign .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And,

    Mahesh & Shan,

    Rajaraja Chola too had a powerful navy on the east coast, if you care to read history.

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    engrich Reply:

    bullshit..bankim was traitor and fiercely anti-muslim to the level of terrorist.he was supporting british robbers who killed half the population of bengal bihar and orrisa in first fifty years of rule.who converted sonar bangla into bhoot bhangla.he was collaborating britishers because of bribes drams of future benefit.
    india during mughal had best of education if there was no education how qutub minar was built 8000 km of gt was built.ahmadabad was having population 1 million when london an paris were having mud housed.
    britishers conquere india with indian money due traitors like bankims,mir jafars etc.
    what bhadrlok have done nothing.it isthey who brought revivalist ghandhi to revers reform.their english knowledge was pauperizing indian.it is only in bengal u will fing moving keletons on streets.he wrote anand math and notorious vande matram to apease his british bosses at the cost of indians.frech revolution in west and invention of engine ,coupled with treachory of people like bankim was responsibl for british occupation which reduced our share of gdp in world trade from 25%to 2% and literacy from 93%to 8%.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamic pig polluting the blog with jihadi nonsense.

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    engrich Reply:

    challenge if anything is wrong.u start abusing when i show u mirror.abuse means u have no awnser.i will not go as low as u.

  • Anonymous

    @Mahesh, Thanks for providing the link in earlier blog about the HDL gene apoprotein in Italian people near swiss border.
    Some facts just released yesterday. UK has seen 50% drop in mortality from heart disease , and even important 33% REDUCTION IN INCIDENCE OF HEART ATTACK. This is due to cholesterol check
    now available as cheap as pregnancy test kit.
    Also blood pressure can be self monitored , digital instruments costing 10 pounds in Walmart UK(Asda). Also choleseterol lowering drugs galore, nd very good BP lowering drugs.AND SEVERE TAX AND HEALTH WARNING AGAINST SMOKING
    Also ANGIOPLASTY , that is stretching the artery with a catheter with a baloon at the end , had made the bottom fall off of Bypass surgery. Very few bypass surgery is done in Uk , I know cardiac surgery trainees with deep anxiety , whether they will have job at the end of their training, because the demand has collapsed.
    Apparently cholesterol is only 25% of the story. The latest theory to make rounds is ,
    that it may be a kind of inflammation , this has turned all previous theory on its head. Though it is not conclusively proven

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A small comment about AngioPlasty…..
    As a anecdotal observation – going by the rate at which AngioPlasty is done here in India, I won’t be surprised if it emerges more of a “preventive care” care option than “life saver”. All that is needed for this to happen is lowering of stents costs and less or no dependance on blood thinning drugs in post-angioplasty period.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    The real reason behind 50% drop in mortality from heart disease is that
    people residing in UK have become heartless.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or, may be their hearts have been stolen by Pakistani and bangladeshi prostitutes.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ NEED TO OUT GROW DOMESTIC SERVANT MENTALITY ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    one way the Congress is selling itself in UP villages is by saying thru its greassroots workers, “Iss parvar ne bahut kuch diya hai. Ab inki hum seva karein toh yeh ham3ein aur vardaan denge…”

    Im case we do seva of this family they will give us boons…

    Sad India has to outgrow the fuedal mindset of serfs which vested interests and dynasitc succession promotes. We can also see the same meek domestic servant attitude in many bloggers who want to serve the khandaan to get some boons or cannot get beyond khandaan worship…

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  • Anonymous

    Gentlemen who found the findings of the Survey conducted by Sahara very disturbing , may find the India Today- ORG Poll even more distressing . Details on the India Today website but some highlights are quoted here for ready reference.

    • The Congress has imploded. If a general election were to be held now, Congress would get around 110 seats, its lowest ever tally; in mid-2009 it got 206 seats.
    • The NDA has nudged ahead. The BJP has improved its tally from 116 seats in the 2009 general election to around 140 seats now.
    • Non-UPA and non-NDA parties are the real gainers of Congress decline. This is the first time since 1996 that neither of the two leading alliances, UPA and NDA, will be anywhere close to the majority mark of 272 in the Lok Sabha.
    • Rahul Gandhi is the clear choice for leadership of the Congress. Narendra Modi is the public’s preference for the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate. Modi beats Rahul by a 7 per cent margin in a face-off for the next prime minister.
    • Those who think Anna Hazare is politically dead will find themselves badly wounded. In a straight contest from any constituency with Rahul, Hazare would win by a landslide.
    • Those who believe corruption is no longer an issue will fare worse. The PM’s image has suffered because he is perceived as doing nothing.
    • The two top rated chief ministers, Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar, who lead the competition by some margin, are from the NDA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    This is called the Chotta Baba Rahul- Digvinash SIngh effect. I think we need more of them to obliterate the Congress to about 60 seats. The only place and people who beleive they are wining would remain on this blog ! :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The congressi troll will go on an anashan for two days, because of an intervening Sunday. The jihadis will now double their out-pourings here on the blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab , Vijay

    From the news reports appearing in Hindi newspapaers of UP , it appears that the Congress strategy in UP is getting more aggressive or should I say desperate ..towards wooing the Muslims…as per some news reports .. Rahul Gandhi had called a meeting of Editors of Urdu newspapers and tried to cultivate them by making statements which many may find extremist … time will tell whether this strategy will benefit or harm its electoral prospects .

    Anonymous Reply:

    chotta baba chotti budhi :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Still much much better than….

    मोट्टा बाबा मोट्टी बुधी

    Anonymous Reply:

    Obviously you are talking about the fatman fo the Congress, former CM, Amarinder SIngh :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Like your terrorist Guru, Mota Salahuddin, talking about human rights!

    Anonymous Reply:

    The orignal mota baba being Masood Azhar who could not run away after planting a bomb…

    Anonymous Reply:

    chote sarkar, bada ahankar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju-
    That is one aspect. I think there is deep rooted disappointment with all “national” parties, including BJP.
    Coalition politics, be it led by Congreess or BJP, is really bad for the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Being a shrewd business community, Gujrat congress seems to have seen the writing on the wall.

    In a two-page ad, it has praised Narendra Modi for his able administration.
    I have a hunch, the Gujrat unit of the congress party will join the BJP wholesale.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A lot of this gujarat COngress was of Shankar SIngh Vaghela who was a former BJP guy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well,

    you think Mamta is crazy now… just wait

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy/Mahesh/Shan

    The Zamorins, rulers of Malabar, had a navy. Interestingly, it was led by a Muslim “admiral”, Kunhali Marakkar — Kunhali Marakkar led several naval blockades against the Portugese before they took over Malabar in 1550s.

    Kunhali means “little” Ali.

    There are a few naval training centres in his memory, INS Kunhali Marakkar centre in Colaba being one. India also issued commemorative stamps in his honour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    Thanks for the information. I remember a few days ago, you had mentioned about Rajaraja Chola and his expeditions eastwards. Please give us some information.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    The point Shan may have been making was that there was no large enough naval force (he mentioned Mughal Emperor given the size of the empire and there should have been a big navy under a single command to resist any onslaught from the sea. Small naval forces scattered across the along the long coastline would never have been any deterrent. When the Europeans came in large numbers by sea in large numbers, perhaps it was too late. Earlier invaders and conquerors had always chosen the land routes.

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  • Anonymous

    Good news on UID.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/nandan-nilekani-wins-uid-war-over-p-chidambaram/1/170958.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is another aspect to this.

    There is going to be a system of National Card (NPR Card), which is supposed to be mandatory, while Aadhar is voluntary. Data collected under either will be used in the other too.

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  • Anonymous

    Hindus are not any better than others in being offended by trivial matters.
    Or is it to something with US as most of such news are originating from there.

    http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2012/Jan/25/salahuddin-hails-separatists-for-raising-day-to-day-issues-58.asp

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    Anonymous Reply:

    it is really funny to see the terrorist Salahuddin talking about human rights, just like their chele fake Ravi and engrich talk about it here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not see any connection with your comment and the link.

    Would you explain?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Sorry by mistake I provided the wrong link. Here is correct one.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=749084

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Thanks.

    There is no shortage of loonies around the world, who are extremely hypersensitive. Or is it question of garnering some ‘cheep’ publicity – two seconds of fame?

    If they had their way, there would no more spoken or written word. Scared of words!!!!

  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    Fifteen months back I had predicted that Mani Silencer Aiyar, Digvinash SIngh and Chotta baba Rahul will take the Congress on a one way road to disaster. Has it not happened sir?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    it is good for the congress ultimately (in the year 2112).
    These Silencers and Digvinashes are all scum of the earth.
    Remember, Silencer Mani had joined Mamta didi and lost an election in Kolkatta, befor re-joining the congress led by our great leaderess, Mata Soniaji?

    Chidambaram too went away and joined Tamil Maanila Congress before re-joining Mata Soniaji’s congress.

    This time these scums will not be re-admitted.

    Rahul Babaji ki jai
    Mata Soniaji ki jai

    Jai ho, Rehman ki jai ho.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jai ho !! Shenoy sahab !

    By the way only people who believe in Manish Tewari believe that COngress is gainging ground. Sadly a desperate Congress will now get teh UP Peace Party into its fold in a bid to woo the Muslims vote

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Half the story has already been told by Shenoy Sir. The other half I will tell you few months down the line.

    BTW who are you clapping for ? The leaders who are constantly looking for “crutches” and “proxy bidding” ?. Hoping Mr Anna would deliver for them on the platter that these incompetent leaders could never achieve ?

    The leaders you are cheer-leadering for are so bloody incompetent that they could not put a death-knell on Congress when Sitaram Kesri was the President. Do I need to say more ? It would only get worse.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad

    When do you think baseless speculations will turn to tried and tested excuses.

    Remember the last General Elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    Though slightly misplaced, I like Vijay Sir’s enthusiasm.

    Since it helps him get going, I have no issues.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad & Ravi

    It is a matter of what one wants to see and not what is there to see. People tend to venture in areas where angels fear to tread. Perhaps, eight years (and two more to go) in the wilderness has been too much to bear. The sensible thing is to wait for the results.

    As to the question of crutches and proxy bidding, all are welcome, as they are looking for anything that will ‘bolster’ their image and the feel-good factor.

    Take the case of the Gujarat advertisement (I have not seen it and am going by the media reports), it lists the general development and progress of Gujarat down the years. All the Chief Ministers (including those belonging to the BJP) have been showered with praises for enabling the onward march. However, they pick one and go to town, the reason is not far to seek – Modi is so desperate to achieve ‘pan-India acceptability’ and repair his dented image given his alleged culpability in 2002 – any praise from any quarter (friends, pals, enemies and opponents) is picked (never mind the context) up and the full orchestra is pressed into service. Earlier, they went to town with revelations in Wikileaks cables -it was an assessment and not an endorsement of Modi. Next, when Anna in April last year praised him, Modi himself picked it up and wrote to him thankinjg him. What happened next? Anna retracted (‘thanks’ to his team members) his statement and said that Gujarat was one of most corrupt states – there was a thundering silence. Desperation always shows when they jump the gun and have no patience to let the event(s) play out.

    With this post, we will be “accussed” and abused by the chief label fabricator (he has been extremely busy to day) of ganging up and term it as ‘crime”. When they do, it is all goodness and justified. Double standards is the name of the game. Watch this space.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad

    I do believe that you did not answer my question.

    You may not have issues, that is big of you. But I hope you will allow me luxury to to indulge and therefore take issues with baseless speculations and midless abuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    Sorry I had to rush out for a meeting and could not respond immediately.

    I have no issues if you take the debate forward. Since you asked, allow me to politely remind you that you are a prolific writer. So use your resources to debate hard. But please do not indulge in abuses. I am not advising you. Just making a small request. Help keep the blog stay sane. Make a small contribution to that effect.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad

    Thank you for the advice. It was very educating.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad, I am waiting to see you addressing the jihadi pig engrich, “engrich sir”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Now that you have addressed me directly and post a word like “jihadi pig” in the same post, allow me to remind you that it does add to your stature when you address somebody as “pig”.

    May be Mr Engrich is not as eloquent as you are. May be he is not as educated and knowledgeable as you are. But he is yet to address you as “pig” on the public forum while you repeat almost in every post. Shenoy Sir! It’s not good. It does not becoming of you to stoop down so low to run somebody down.

    I never read his posting. Once he posted something sensible and I advised him to write more like that. But I guess he has too much against Hindus Or as he says brhmns. [ I do not even want to understand it in depth.].I do not find his postings rational. So I just avoid them. Many people do. Unfortunately, you do not avoid him and engage him with your comments and call him “jihadi pig” !

    One can not change anybody on this blog. I do not attempt to change anybody. I just throw my ideas. Some like it and join the debate, others don’t.

    Everytime you call him pig, i feel bad. Not because that he is being abused, but because of all the people you abuse him ! Even though, none of us have met each other, over the time people have developed certain image associated with each name/alias here. From Balwinder Sir to Mohan Sir, Aaloke Sir to Vijay Sir, we have developed certain unique image in our mind. Similarly we have had certain image about you too. A gentleman with great sense of humour. So when you call somebody pig, it sounds so bad, so unrealistic, so out of place !

    Shenoy Sir ! Each one of us carry with certain baggage of our past. I am sure Mr Engrich has similar baggages too. He shouts, screams just to be ” heard”. He thinks that’s the only way it works. Perhaps he thinks he has been corned and pushed to wall, so he jumps at every given opportunity to counter any argument. But you are so knowledgeable, so senior. You cant act like that !

    It’s so unbecoming of you !

    You are usually so good with words. How can you feel short of civil words to counter Mr Engrich’s postings ? I would like to think you are actually far resourceful than what you have shown so far. There still must be a way to counter somebody on the public forum, than calling him “pig” !

    Please think.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kudos for your post, but it was a waste of time and effort. It is not going to make an iota of a difference.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    As i said, I can not change anybody. I just can politely remind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji Sirji,

    how inappropriate, uncongressi of you to even take the name of Sitaram Kesari!

    The first lesson any new entrant to the party should learn is NOT TO MENTION Sitaram kesari’s and Narasimha Rao’s names.

    Have you by any chance forgotten the shameful act of Mata Soniaji of occupying the congresspresident’s chair when Sitaram Kesari had gone to the toilet (unfortunately that fateful day, he had too much of pressure in the lower abdomen)?

    But, if you consider the facts of her being an Italian and of having inherited at least some Fascist genes from her beloved father, her action and style of “dethroning” Kesari do appear to be natural.

    What I mean is, any born Indian would have waited for Sitaram Kesari to return from the loo and wipe his hands on his dhoti and tie it up properly etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    [ It has been discussed before on this forum. I can not find the pages in a ziffy. So I am just quoting a fraction of it. ]

    All your ” Born Indian “, natural Indian, native Indian, pulse reading Indian group of 20 high decible, shrieking abusing leaders could not defeat a single so called house-wife turned tentative woman leader politically

    Shenoy Sir ! [ Message for Vijay Sir too ] More than Congress, it’s BJP that needs overhauling – even to be a decent opposition party.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahladji Sirji,

    now, now, you sound very much like Prabhat, when he used to lose his temper.

    baat jub Sitaram Kesari ki ho rahi thi, yeh housewife kahaan se aayi? As a committed congressman, you may believe the myth of Mata Sonia being an innocent ghar ki bahu. Even congressmen sometimes do exercise their right to be naive and ignorant.

    By the way, do you have nothing more to say about the de-throning of Kesari? Or, having uttered the banned K word, you are now regretting and making amends by losing your temper?

    engrich Reply:

    i stayed in the villa of sitaram kesri at ab2 pandara road delhi in 1972.i foud him big drinker big liar very close to indira jee,womaniser.a bania from bihar exper in travelling without ticket.i was surprized when he was made president of congress party.

    Anonymous Reply:

    was he bi-sexual too?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Really funny Shenoy !!

    U hit the nail on the head. Solved a mystery Rizwan was hinting about… !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    which is, perhaps why Prahlad has hastily resorted to speak about aan abala nari ghar ki bahu etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Very unbecoming of you to drag my name and indulge in your phony sense of humour.

    engrich Reply:

    this u can tell btter than me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    It’s all there on this blog ….few months back. Interesting part, almost everything has already been discussed on this blog itself !

    The subject gets repeated only .

    BTW, the discussion was not so much about Mr Sitaram Kesri, as about the incompetent leaders of opposition.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad sir,

    Fact is the Cognress had reached a high point in 2009 and its dunce managers are responsible for the total slide.

    Mani AIyar failed as a sports Minister and then started shouting 70,000 crores looted. The Charge stuck

    The press needed a scam bigger than that, next. The figure of 1,7600000000000000 crores stuck.

    Meanwhile chotta bab with chotti budhi and Digviansh singh tried to make MMS look small. In the end the COngress looks small…

    O Boy! I am loving this…

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  • Dr Mishra

    RAVI , COWS AND TEMPLES”””””””””””””””’

    Gopi you were spot on, ravi’s deep rooted anti hindu anti INDIAN bias just bursts through- Indians have only had cows and temples. Yes Mr Ravi, one of the first societies in the world to move into URBAN cities (? 500 BC) and have science and rational philosophy, WILL TO YOU BE ONLY A COW SHED.

    What surprises me is that these snide comments come in the month that ravi has been slammed the hardest. It became toe cringingly embarrassing as the matadors here danced in, one after another, spearing him daintily. I even tried to lighten the atmosphere for him by cracking some light jokes to take the sting off. A normal man would have licked his wounds and introspected, but not our ravi. Battered, bruised and bloodied he stiil managed to leT off a stinger from somewhere high on the mountains of the Durand line.

    leopard…spots…tedhi dum…etc

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    Ravi Reply:

    Keep hallucinating and read the offers in the BJP manifesto. Sorry I forgot, you do not read. Do you??

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  • Dr Mishra

    yes I did type leT, am angry today

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  • Ravi

    COWS and TEMPLES

    Both Dr Mishra and Gopi, have inserted the word “only” which I had not used. They then interpreted my comment on the BJP manifesto as an anti-India sentiment. Having done that it was a small step then to launch a mindless tirade against me.

    Once again neither of them commented on the BJP manifesto and instead made me the subject of their comments. A popular trick here, straight from the RSS manual.

    Inspired by Vinay and encouraged by Gopi (perhaps mistakenly) I no longer retaliate.

    Please comment on the BJP manifesto and not me.

    This manifesto seems to be the result of Focus Group Testing, which told BJP that they lost the last election in rural areas. How does one infuse this “lesson learnt” and the core Hinduatav ideology? Propose yet more of Cows & Temples.

    This is a comment on the BJP and not India.

    Dr Mishra’s and Gopi’s BLIND devotion for the BJP is obvious even to Stevie Wonder.

    See if you can put Leopards, spots, दुम टेडी in a sentence.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    3000 years ago there was no BJP, but there were Hindus. Perhaps only Hindus.

    Yes, you are a jihadi leopard that cannot hide its spot even inside a London gutter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ravi

    Let your imagination dont run wild..

    My point about Takshashila was in response to your statement ” 3000 years ago what Indians needed was a cow and a temple. Once again they are being offered a cow and a temple. As if nothing has changed in the intervening years”

    I was questioning your notion of “3000 years ago what Indians needed was a cow and a temple”… How did you arrive at that conclusion?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Simple, that is what the Aryan Civilization’s lasting legacy is!!

    Believe, it or not, in any pictorial book on India, one can find very large numbers of pictures of Cows & Temples. In the West the lasting image of India is Cows & Temples. Recently, the Hindustan Motor Car and the Three Wheeler Scooter have been aded to icons of India.

    My comment in no way what so ever was either imaginative or biased against Hindu’s. This was your simplistic interpretation of it. If any proof was needed, that was promptly provided by BV Shenoy and subsequently amplified by Dr Mishra.

    In the 21st century we are once again sticking to ancient symbolism.

    That is my reading of the BJP manifesto.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    RSS/BJP matters are non-debatable with many of the bloggers here. It may be embarrassing to do so, hence the easy way is to attack/abuse the messenger, instead or discuss some other issues hoping the main issue will get derailed.

    Should I expect an attack/abuse on account of this post?

    In the meantime, we can discuss the manifesto of the Congress in a new post.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ ENGRICH IS RIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME !!! ~ ~~~ :) :) ~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Engrich , our resident nut case out here, is right for the first time. Sitaram Kesri did stay in AB 2 Pandara PARK (not road) . How do I know ? I stayed in the same colony !!

    SO IT PROVES ONE THING THAT ENGRICH’S WARPED THOUGHTS ARE A PRODUCT OF THE CONGRESS CULTURE !!

    hahahah hahahh HAHAHA !!!

    And let me tell you the funniest story emnating from there. No I am not taking kesri’s name, here please. Kapil Sibal, dont invoke censor please !!

    One fine winter afternoon of I think— 1989 … we kids were at the cycle stand of the colony. One chowkidar from the house of this powerful guy who is heaven now (!) got a a bundle of inflatable full size nude dolls….

    And then tried filling them one by one with air…

    Apparently the powerful person who lost his presidentship by a whisker, had managed to puncture the dolls while sleeping with them… (guess why!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    Tiwari must have practised uder him!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    the term “under him” is the operative part.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Doubly agreed right O !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Right O !

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  • Anonymous

    Fast track bullies bundled out for just 72 by Pakistan.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy

    RajaRaja Chola had a full blown blue ocean naval force. He solicited the assistance of Chinese and Arabs in building ships. The navy was used to ensure trade with China, SoutheastAasia free of pirates; also to take over/influencer countries like Cambodia (Khaboj) Sri Vijaya (Indonesia).

    His naval organization parallels the current navy structure like Commodore, Captain, Admiral etc with Tamil titles such as Jaladhipati.

    The commitment to navy and to seaward expansion was reduced when Cholas had to focus on Hoysalas and Chalukyas from the west of them from the present day Karnataka region.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thanks for the historical information.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Friends,

    This HT Blog has somehow attracted very Intelligent,Knowledgeable and Articulate people. One way of utilising this Blog space is to make it a great FRIENDSHIP blog- where everyone seems to be in agreement with everyone else-nice homilies are exchanged , OR we can make it a high decibel fish market where everyone is shouting down everyone else , OR we can make it a Great Discussion Forum where things are being discussed threadbare, no one gets easily offended, but replies in appropriate and logical way, There is less of abuses ( Eliminating them completely may not be possible and natural), but more of conversing on the topic.

    My choice is for the last option. Discussions are great fun , but people like Mohan can bring additional smiles by cracking jokes in between , but never loosing thread of Discussion.

    Do I have support on this from my friends.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Any attempt to make this blog cleaner, more meaningful is fully supported by me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    how do you make a blog “meaningful”, when the jihadis paste it with hundreds of posts beginning and ending with stinking garbage of brhminst, zionst nonsense?

    It is all the more reprehensible that the congressi troll here is there invariably to clap for the wisdom and goading them on with his support.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do hope Eggriuch/Ram Avtar/Tajender participates im the right spirit!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hoping for a miracle Gopiji ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Gopi ji,

    That is hoping too much.He will, as always, bring Garbage from cyber Steets and deposit in in this Blog. Best way to handle him is Scroll up or Down his comments. Even wandering of your eyes on his lines is a criminal waste of time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Haven’t you left out two others, who make this blog stink?

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi i asked u 2-3 questions u never awnsered.i participate with truths in my hand.expose the or check the lies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Aaloke,

    as long as fake Ravi and engrich, the jihadis keep posting their offensive, abuses against Hindus and India and the congressi troll here keeps clapping for them, these wishes will remain only that-fond wishes.

    The fact is Shri Vinod Sharma has lost all interest in his own blog ever since the padma awards list has come out. Or else there is no explanation for re-admitting Ram Autar, who was expelled for his offensive posts. As everybody knows, Ram Autar has not changed an iota, except changing into a very funny name ‘engrich’.

    So, where is the hope?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shenoy ji,

    It is not advisable to Out Abuse this Engrich. The loss would only be ours. He has gone too much down the path of his Prophetic delusions, that he should be left alone.As I suggested, he should be Scrolled out from your view.

    Ravi and Manohar can definitely be confronted with logic if their views are different from yours.If they do not understand logic, then all of us here will definitely know.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I told you it is not going to happen, unless……

    This thread itself has been polluted. Thanks for trying though.

    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Interesting to note your use of the word CONFRONTED, above.

    If that is how you feel, then I can spare you the bother, there is plenty here without me adding to it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ravi,

    Just bad English. I explained it last time.

    engrich Reply:

    if right spirit means accepting ur lies.yes i will not change.why all brhmns are silent on isro thieves.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not going to happen. Period.

    Earlier, Pankaj had made an appeal, but to no avail.

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  • Anonymous

    Benefits of Sanskrit Language. This language is being taught in a school in New Zealand as it helps children understand English.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/New-Zealand-school-teaches-Sanskrit-and-claims-it-helps-children-understand-English/articleshow/11665118.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Mohan,

    Let me share my thoughts on the topic.

    At this moment, we are no better than a fourth rate country. If we follow blindly western civilisation, we can hope to become Third rate or at best second rate. We can never become First Rate.

    We have to remove superstitions and wrong practices which have accumulated over the years , learn from west their knowledge , but with our feet firmly implanted in our own Civilisational Genius. We have to understand and imbibe our unique Civilisational ethos and move forward. That sure is way to make this country a First Rate country, which it was ,before it was ransacked (Physically, Culturally and Spiritually ) by fanatic barbarians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Agree with you . Few years back there was a proposal to teach
    Sanskrit in schools, but as it usually happens, the idea was ridiculed
    by ‘ intelligent ‘ people of our country and our mainstream media also
    supported these ‘ intelligent ‘ people and in process the idea to teach Sanskrit was dropped.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Mohan,

    I discussed this point in earlier posts. We have become rootless ( Which includes you, me and most of us here). Our so called intelligentsia even more so.

    But I am positive over developments taking place. People have started becoming interested in our Civilisational Ethos ( Free from superstitions and bad practices ). We are destined to regain our lost glory. Hope it happens faster.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Good to know that your are an optimistic person.
    I also firmly believe that we should be free from
    superstitions and bad practices.

    engrich Reply:

    We are destined to regain our lost glory

    except contious wars what was glory.can u tell me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    I believe Sanskrit is being taught in school. I remember studying Sanskrit in school.

    It’s different story that most of students today do not like to study Hindi or Sanskrit.

    Vist SRCC or Lady Sriram College on the day of Hindi exam, you will actually see students openly crying before the exam !

    [ It's true. ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    We Indians have a problem when other modern Indian languages are made ‘compulsory’. Remember, the agitation against Hindi in Tamil Nad in the 60s. Ask a North Indian to study any of the southern languages and see the reaction, leave alone Sanskrit. We Indians are like that only.

    Anyone interested in studying Sanskrit, there are enough colleges (just Google and check out) and scholarships available. There cannot be a compulsion. Earlier, in many western countries, study of Latin was compulsory, not anymore. There may be certain schools, where it may be compulsory, bit no one is forced to join those schools.

    engrich Reply:

    sanskrit is dead language.our goverment cannot bear additinal expenses for translating books.which will consume our entire educational budget.

    engrich Reply:

    which it was ,before it was ransacked (Physically, Culturally and Spiritually ) by fanatic barbarians.
    can u give any example to prove ur point.india became SONE KI CHIDIA after muslims cam on scene.before shambhok was murdered by rama when found reading holy scripture.punishment was jaati based.that was good period for some not for majority of indians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Make Sanskrit India’s National Language

    http://www.shivolve.com/comment/868

    Read the responses.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi

    Cong promises 20 lakh jobs, sub-quota for MBCs

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cong-promises-creation-of-20-lakh-jobs-sub-quota-for-MBCs/articleshow/11651179.cms

    It aims at creating 20 lakh new jobs for the youth of UP in the next five years and start a major programme for skill development by setting up 1000 centres to train 20 lakh youth every year besides a UP skills and employment mission for the purpose. “The Congress-led UPA government has already approved 4.5 per cent reservation for the socially and economically backwards Muslims under the OBC category across the country in central government jobs, PSUs and educational institutions and we will ensure its full and timely implementation,” it said.

    ———–

    Is it doable or this is just promise that will remain just that – promise?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Why don’t you reply whether it is doable or it is just a promise ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have opened the debate, let me wait for Ravi or even you or anyone else to have a say.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For once you have acknowledeged that caste and religious reservatoins have and are destroying the unity of our country and the progress. Why dont you acknowledge that the COngress is the party responible for it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    You do not read or do not take the trouble of understanding what is posted. Ask some of your fellow travelers (you do not seem to trust me – no problem with that), as to my views on reservations, these are nothing new.

    As to who is responsible for caste based reservations – all parties.You can single out the Congress, I have no problem with it. Religion based if they come about, I will hold the Congress responsible.

    Now if you have the stomach

    1) shall we go over to Ravi’s post and discuss the BJP manifesto about cows & temples – you have been missing in action there. Post your views there and then I will respond.

    2) then we can go further back to your claim/belief that Sardar Patel would have been better PM than Pandot Nehru, where you made an hasty retreat when certain queries were put to you.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I am sure you know what my response to this is going to be.

    As manifestos go, this is progressive, and what UP needs is more jobs and once they are there then initiatives in education, social welfare and minority up-liftment would follow.

    As far as the potential for these promises becoming actual realities, then I hope situation is better than it was before. The possibility that these promises are broken soon after the election is all too real. If History is to be taken into account. However, I feel that the new crop of Congress and I am sure of other parties too, are mindful of making achievable promises and post-election accountability is increasing. Answer to your question is that 20 Lakh Jobs is eminently doable.

    Let me make sure I annoy those who do not agree with me. Jobs is what India needs, not Cows & Temples.

    Over to you Dr Mishra. Let me see if you can put me in a tin can and blast me into outer space. Considering your protégé regularly blow me out of water, by merely saying so. Or at least that is what you tell others that they have done so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I am not so sure that so many jobs will be created, which works out to be 4 lac jobs per year, unless there is massive investments in industry mostly by the private sector and also massive investments in power sector for the industries to run. The only consolation would be if only a fraction of the promised jobs are created.

    This is better than promising a temple (you have read my earlier posts regarding cows and temples – both not doable.

    Regarding reservations for the MBC, I have expressed it before, we have to make a drastic change – economic criteria should the only yardstick – not on caste and religious grounds.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar/Ravi,

    BJP offering cows and congress promising jobs. Does these really make any difference?
    Neither of these parties are going to fulfill their promises once elections are over.
    These are just two different strategies to garner votes.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    As far as promises is concerned, you may well be right that neither party is likely to fulfil them.

    Promises have been designed to attract votes; Temple for existing vote bank and Cows for the new ones.

    In the case of Congress Jobs and Eductaion respectively. However, some how Jobs and Education seem more modernising offers, in comparison to Cows and Temples.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    What difference will it make if the promises are not fulfilled. Modern, good promises
    will perhaps hurt you more if not kept.

    Ravi Reply:

    Because there is always some chance – however small – that a proportion of the promises may be kept.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    That small proportion of promise will be fulfilled by normal policies of government.
    No party will work extra to fulfill their election promises.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    My view is that the UP Gov will be encouraged to establish some Manufacturing Zones with Tax subsidies.

    This will encourage capital moving into UP, and that way the jobs will be created.

    UP, in the Old Industries had a decent record in the past.

    Reservation, I think I have already shared my views, in previous posts.

  • Anonymous

    Few days back there was a debate on the article written by Mr.Praveen Swami
    about government spending money on Kumbh Mela.
    A very interesting reply to that article. Should not be missed.

    http://satyameva-jayate.org/2012/01/24/mahakumbh-subsidies/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-
    I am of the firm opinion that a government has an obligation to maintain/support its ancient structures and festivals. It is simply the right thing to do, both from a “culture” perspective and from an economic perspective..

    Chinese govt supports the thousands year old Laba and Moon festivals – tourists flock at these festivals..

    Kumbh Mela is an ancient Indian tradition. Govt has a responsibility to let it run as long as people want. It has nothing to do with Hindu/Muslim/Christian. Muslims and Christians can participate in that — the state or the organizing authorities do not prevent that unlike performing Haj.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Agree with you. The reason of my posting the link to this article
    was because few days back it was debated here on this blog whether
    government should spend money on Kumbh Mela without taking into
    the consideration of thousands of years of tradition.

    Dr. Pankaj/Dr Mishra and others,

    Please go through this article, it is an eye opener. I am not surprised
    why our mainstream media missed this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    I agree with you.

    From purely financial aspects, there is a strong case for recovering at least part of the huge amounts spent, from the pilgrims themselves as ticket fees for taking the holy dip etc., on the lines of Tirupati temple.

    There is a strong case for providing improved sevices and attracting more pilgrims.

    In events like the Kumbh Melas, people of all communities take part, and the service providers, businesses, security personnel etc are from all communities. From that point of view, it can be said to be a secular show.

    In Bangalore, there is the famous Banashankari temple. Around it there are several shops owned by Muslims, who sell pooja samagris like agarbatti, camphor etc and people visiting the temple invariably buy these things from these shops and offer them to the temple. This is the secularity of the temple-visiting ritual.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shenoy ji,

    Completely agree with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Here in Dubai there are few shops next to the temple
    where all these pooja samagris are sold. One of the shop
    owner is an Iranian Muslim and he is doing quite a good business.

    Ravi Reply:

    Just outside Hanuman Mandir, near Cannaught Place in Delhi, there sit some Mehndi Women and there are many stalls selling Chooriyan.

    All these people are Muslim.

    engrich Reply:

    in ayodhya same.wooden khadau for sadhus
    and ravan s were always made by muslims.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi
    It is not only merchantsl in some situations, one cannot worship the God at the Sanctum Sanctorum without going through His Muslim companion/protector/consort etc.
    One has to visit the shrine of “Vavar Swami” before visiting the abode of Lord Ayyappa of Sabarimala in Kerala. The story is that Vavar (a Muslim) was the closest friend of Lord Ayyappa (in human form as the son of the King of Pandalam) while He was hunting in those forests and hills.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi
    It is not only merchantsl in some situations, one cannot worship the God at the Sanctum Sanctorum without going through His Muslim companion/protector/consort etc.
    One has to visit the shrine of “Vavar Swami” before visiting the abode of Lord Ayyappa of Sabarimala in Kerala. The story is that Vavar (a Muslim) was the closest friend of Lord Ayyappa (in human form as the son of the King of Pandalam) while He was hunting in those forests and hills.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    I am of the view that Govt. should stay away from all religious matter except for providing public amenities and security.
    If people oppose Hajj subsidy, they should also oppose govt. financial help for Amarnath Yatra and Jerusalem trip (AP govt.)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Even I am not in favor of giving any subsidies for religious purpose. Mr. Swami
    had raised an objection on government providing security and basic amenities
    for Kumbh Mela.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is govt. duty to provide civic amenities and security. If required, it should be provided if paid for it,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    What are taxes paid for? I am only talking about Kumbh Mela. This is not an event
    which is organized by an individual or by any party. This tradition is celebrated since
    thousands of years in India and government is suppose to provide amenities and
    security.

    engrich Reply:

    but for 33 crores of dvtas.govt budget will fail.i think goverment should charge for security.saudia is charging management fee from hajis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So govt. should just stick to providing civic amenities and security and stay away from religious part. I guess we both agree on this.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Security of its citizen is the primary responsibility of any government, not matter what legal activity that citizen’s are engaging in.

  • Anonymous

    KUMBH MELA AND THE LONE TERRORIST ON THE DURAND LINE
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Shoeb bhai you took the words out of my mouth. of course the goverment has to support the centuries old festivals, who would object, similarly would anyone object if Ajmer Sharif is given organizational help. Brings communities together.
    that’s another point- would i go to the mela. probably not and i am def not being antihindu here. its a youth thing, i want to go to exciting places, have a beer meet some chicks, shake a leg

    but hey MR RAVI, so generous are you dude you actually generously allowed us to move up from cows and temples to the autorickshaw as the ICON OF INDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gee whiz boss we r evr so gr8ful. what a nasty snide swipe you took at us.

    well pal, let me tell you- i hv travelled abroad last year first time- Sydney. and the image of India rocks. The sydney morning herald was so pro Indian it got a bit embarasing at times. there was an Incredible india campaign on tv- can u beat that ?

    so to use the good doctor’s fighting talk- we may hv whupped yr asss but got 2 admire yr tenacity- from yr cave on the Durand line u did almost sneak another dirty missile at us- sorry to tell u it fell fizzed out in the jhelum !!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    do u never ever get tired ravi, wtf is yr agenda

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan,

    most of us know wtf is this fake Ravi’s genuine agenda here on this blog is. It is the same as the other jihadi, engrich’s- insult and abuse India and Hindus.

    It is the agenda of his supporters like Mahesh, Prahlad and the congressi troll, which is not clear.

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  • Anonymous

    Aaloke,
    I like your non-stop preacher mode. You did not read outlook article properly. Mr.Maino was not only nostalgic of his fascist path but also very proud of it.

    As far as Vatican-Sonia theory is concerned, It is all BS..The conversions are on going process with or without Sonia.

    I was only pointing to the fact that Sonia has fascist past and still maintains link with her father who is proud of fascist past. Sonia’s attitude towards constitutional authorities President, VP, PM, Lok Sabha Speaker (all of them sonia loyalist) clearly indicate her fascist mindset. She has not faced a single interview where she is grilled bu top journos is another pointer to her fascist tendencies. The way she used her pooches Sibal, Chidu and Diggi to silence Ramdev and Anna is too well known.

    No offence, I’d appreciate if you present you opinion and not give verdict. It is just a friendly advise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Rajeev,

    A discussion can definitely get destroyed if someone starts behaving like a preacher.Since it is discussion that I am interested in, I will try to modify my language so that it does not look too preachy. I generally try to put ( In my View ) with my statements. I may have missed it last few times.

    I read your last mail again and I think you are right. It is clearly mentioned that Sonias father is influenced by Italian Fascist past more than mere Nostalgia.However , I still do not agree that Sonia would be too much influenced by it in Indian context. Italian Fascism was for the glory of Italy.Methods adopted for perpetuation of Fascism are done at the level of top commanders or top govt functionaries, Sonia’s father was a low key soldier sent to war front.At the Soldier level they are only fed with heavy doses of Nationalism. It also looks difficult that Italian Fascist ideology can be transported applied in Indian Context.

    However, Crux of my point was that ‘Who is giving this unbridled power to a Woman with very ordinary capabilities’. It is Congress party. It is spinelessness of people in Congress. But then, Congress is winning Elections. So it boils down to People of India being responsible for it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,
    Sorry if I sounded rude. Never mind..We are on same page.

    I just want to ask you a simple question. Both Nazism and Fascism are banned ideology. Most of the ex-nazis or their families are afraid to talk about their Nazi past. Some germans don’t even keep contact with their ex-nazi relatives. Even Hitler’s relatives gave up last name hitler.

    However in the case of Sonia’s father, he is still proud fascist..despite this Sonia maintains contact with him. She should not forget that she belongs to India and should snap her fascist links but she knows Indians are born slave who will keep voting her and her kids because they are white skinned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Rajeev,

    I don’t have much knowledge of Italian Fascism. I do not know whether it is considered in same category as Nazism. In any case , Sonia’s father speaking proudly about Fascism and Sonia maintaining contact with him is definitely a Political incorrectness. Sonia has been able to get away with this Political Incorrectness. Any one in BJP would have been taken to task long time back.

    This is what I posted earlier that BJP has a bad press.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    you have made two interesting points. Please permit me to comment on them.

    Sonia’s father was a low key soldier sent to war front..”

    But that didn’t stop him from grand-standing that he has helped India to get foreign exchange by sending his friends(?) to India as tourists!

    What fantastic nonsense!! (I am using this expression with apologies to Nehru).

    The second point that you made is this:

    “It also looks difficult that Italian Fascist ideology can be transported/ applied in Indian Context.”

    If this is so, why then Sonia Ghandy is constantly accusing the BJP of being Fascist? Does she, being a Fascist “product” herself, believe that Fascism can be imported?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shenoy ji,

    You are right. It is Fantastic nonsense. But, please remember, It was Grand-Standing of a small man.There is no worth in it.

    What Sonia is accusing is what her speech writers have written. I think BJP is not raking up above issue as probably they do not want to hit below the belt. If that is the reason, then I have admiration for BJP. However if it is plain laziness, then my contempt for them.

    This is what I am trying to explain. A woman of very average capabilities has been juxtaposed on this nation. End result is only going to be very mediocre governance. But who is Responsible ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    if Sonia Ghandy was as committed as Annie Besant or half as intelligent, I would have even said ‘kudos’ to the slavish mentality of the congressmen. But she doesn’t ven have basic intelligence or education or culture. In the last one year, her total lack of leadership and skills of managing crises, have glaringly come to the fore, making it all the more look like she has been put in that position ONLY because she is fair-skinned and is part of the hallowed Ghandy family.

    It is only because of the favourable media that her incompetence is very well shrouded and guarded.

  • Anonymous

    Aaoleke

    Your reference to the “civilizational genius” – inspiring from it, energizing from it, growing from it etc makes sense at this stage of our unfolding.

    However, your reference to “physical, spiritual, philosophical” damage done to India is one-sided. Obviously we are taken advantage of by people who are significantly “better/stronger” than us in certain dimensions. That is the law of nature; no meaning in blaming.

    China, among the old civilizations, is the only one for whom “never again” is a foundational theme. Jews, among all people, are the only ones who are driven by the theme of “never again”.

    Who in Congress here will openly declare “never again”?

    You mentioned about Indian people and how they contribute to the permanent backwardness. I agree 100%.

    In this regard, let me state a line from an article an eminent (Christian) historian recently wrote in a Malayalam publication.. “How many Indian mothers name their children Dharamaputra or a derivative of that name; all want to name their children Arjuna”. While that is an oversimplification; we have to walk the walk and talk the talk — Dharma does not exist in a vacuum in itself

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  • Anonymous

    Aaoleke

    Your reference to the “civilizational genius” – inspiring from it, energizing from it, growing from it etc makes sense at this stage of our unfolding.

    However, your reference to “physical, spiritual, philosophical” damage done to India is one-sided. Obviously we are taken advantage of by people who are significantly “better/stronger” than us in certain dimensions. That is the law of nature; no meaning in blaming.

    China, among the old civilizations, is the only one for whom “never again” is a foundational theme. Jews, among all people, are the only ones who are driven by the theme of “never again”.

    Who in Congress here will openly declare “never again”?

    You mentioned about Indian people and how they contribute to the permanent backwardness. I agree 100%.

    In this regard, let me state a line from an article an eminent (Christian) historian recently wrote in a Malayalam publication.. “How many Indian mothers name their children Dharamaputra or a derivative of that name; all want to name their children Arjuna”. While that is an oversimplification; we have to walk the walk and talk the talk — Dharma does not exist in a vacuum in itself

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I am not sure if Aaloke is making a profound statement, so profound that I admit I do not get it.

    Or, as I feel it is more likely he is indulging in intellectual romanticism.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    According to Peter’s principle, people rise to their level of incompetence.

    In your case you have risen to your level of incomprehension.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Mr. Gurcharan Das has used this line ‘ how many Indian mothers name their
    children Dharamaputra, all want to name their children Arjun’ in a book
    Difficulty of being good, in which he has analyzed Mahabharata. A good
    book, worth reading.

    Yes, Gopiji, we want our children to be Arjuna. Material life gives us more satisfaction
    than spiritual.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Gopi ji,

    I agree with you that if India lost to Invaders, it is ultimately fault of Indians that they were not prepared for these invasions.We should have been better prepared.

    But I would like to add that Things are more complex than above simplification. Let me site example of Mohd Gauri defeating Prithvi Raj Chauhan. Mohd. Gauri was defeated many times by Prithvi raj Chauhan in earlier battles. Since Gauri had always sued for peace after his defeats,he was let off everytime as per traditions of Indian Chivalry. However when Gauri defeated Chauhan ( It was win by deceit ) , he did not spare Prithvi Raj and put him to a horrible death. It was Clash of two entirely different cultures.

    Something similar example can be recounted now.In 9/11, a small handful of Fanatics brought down one of the most militarily powerful country in World History to its knees( for a brief period). Now America has the power and capacity to destroy every single Muslim country single handedly. They have power to kill, vandalize billions of people single handedly. However, since America has cultivated civilized living since many years, they will not indulge in this Mass Barbarism. There self imposed civilised rules shall prevent them from doing so ( Similar to Indian Chivalry rules of India ). It may so happen that today America can retaliate, they have the power to do so, however with changes happening in America and World, they may not have power to do so in next 25-50 years. Then America may also get over run by Barbarians ( Which has happened with most of Civilizations of past ).

    Well in above case also, we can say Ultimately it was America which was not strong enough,they are to be blamed. It is a perfectly correct statement, but there are lot of things in-between.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    You are right about cultural/DNA differences. But , on 9/11, US had a fair share of responsibility; although none what they did deserved a 9/11 type attack from the crazies. But what US did in “retaliation” to iraq was worse; one that nobody expects from a “civilized” country.

    At the end of the day the eternal India is not defined by its military successes. Emperors have come and gone here; empires have blossomed and died here.. It is young and vibrant, constantly being pursued for its deep knowledge, its mysteries. Many came to conquer and subjugate; but now many are coming to understand and share.

    There are many things we are still trying to understand about us. For example, while Sanskrit is dead, how come there is a continuous 1000 plus years’ of Sanskrit theatre , “Koodiyattam”, among all places, in kerala?

    The tragedy of us is that we know King Lear and Othello; but do not have a clue about Mudra Rakshasam and Malavikagnimithram. A nation that does not know its heritage gets run over.

    Years ago, when I visited USA, I was simply amazed at the acre with which they took care of the national monuments. In many cases, they weer really minor places/monuments, such as one Col XYZ urinated in a place called Ridges End..So they have this Park Guys explaining to the tourists about this colonel and why/how he urinated at that place, and why is it important in the evolution of the country. I just could not believe how a nascent country built up its “history”, while an old country like ours did not care anything about its history, at least in a physical sense..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Gopi ji,

    India has been eternal. I agree with you. However will it remain eternal ? That is where my worries are.

    Look at Indian Subcontinent. It was cradle of Indian civilisation. Now whole of Afghanistan, Pakistan and almost whole of Bangla Desh is totally out of this Indian Ethos for the time being. We do have to help it to retain its Ethos.It is knowledge and spread of same which in my view is the Solution.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke Sir,

    Feeling to grow out of the big brother’s shadow is a natural thing. A 14 year old child keeps thinking how to grow out of his father’s shadow. Everyone longs for one’s own identity. It happens to our states, some communities etc.

    But a country like India with such rich heritage need not worry.

    Look at Pakistan. It too tried have its own identity. But yearns more to be like India ! Same with Afganisthan or Bangladesh. Check out people from those country. See how much they long to be like Indians !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad Sir,

    may I beg to differ from you?

    Pakistan’s identity is its Indianness. It is this identity it was hell-bent to shed and instead of developing its own, it tried to couple itself to the middle east, changing its own history, culture, politics and even economics and commerce.

    In the process. it has become worse then the worst dhobi ka gadha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    You are right. Pakistani feel ashamed
    of their Indianness. Now you meet any
    Pakistansi, he will claim that his
    forefathers were Arabs.

    engrich Reply:

    this is away from facts u can meet hundreds of pakis in dubai who will say i have rajput origin.
    ruling elite of pakistan like brhmns of india came from outside.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    You failed to notice the catch phrase “14 year old “..

    The boy tries to shake the father’s image and desperately tries to find its own identity. So he struggles hard.

    ” Only when he matures ” after certain period of struggle and realizes that there certain things that are so inherent and so intrinsic that he can not just shed them. So he starts accepting.

    Pakistan is through that process.

    engrich Reply:

    Gauri was defeated many times

    one time gauri was defeated next year he defeated prithivi raj captured him and kiied.
    this is true history.rajputs were defeated in almost every war by foriegn invaders.used to terrorize local indians were used by rulers to collect revenue from poors.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    excellent discourse. As you said, the congressies will never say ‘ neber again’.

    Despite being slaves to foreign invaders ourselves, we allowed the Tibetans to be enslaved by China, when it was well within our strength and power to stop China in its tracks.

    We also allowed Pakistan to grab half of the Indian state of J&K and twice allowed it to keep its illegal occupation.

    We allowed, too, China to commit aggression on our soil and retain the ill-gotten possession.

    Despite our experiences of being slaves of the white skinned, AND also the knowledge of what Fascism does to people, the congressies want to be ruled by an Italian woman, who is born and brought up in a Fascist parentage.

    Despite the bitter experiences of partition on religious lines, our Left leaders allowed Muslim majority district of Malappuram to be carved out just to satisfy Muslim fundamentalists’ demands for the partition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji, Aaloke, Shenoy,

    Good discussion. Thanks.

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  • Anonymous

    Bloggers et al, guys there is another lierary fetival now in full swing, and unlike JAIPUR which is run by a FIRANGI , WILLIAM DARRYMPLE , kind of a patronising , trying to “civilize” the natives, THIS IS ONE IN CALCUTTA IS TRULY INDIAN.Thus Vikram Seth chose to attend (he was born and educated in calcutta).
    Few VERY INTERESTING facts to emerge from that festival , which is inaccessible to most bloggers , because it is in ANANDA BAZAR PATRIKA , a vernacular paper.
    Apparently a certain MR PRINCEP , who was an archaeologist , married a british colonel’s daughter in calcutta , FIRST DECIPHERED THE BRAMHI SCRIPT.
    AND THIS IS HOW INDIANS FIRST CAME TO KNOW ABOUT ASHOKA .
    this was related by the daughter of our PRIME MINISTER, she is a professor in history.CAN ANY BLOGGER CORRECT ME , IS IT TRUE THAT BEFORE THIS INDIANS HAD NO IDEA ABOUT ASHOKA.Hindus never had any tradition of writing history because of this moronic concept of IMPERMANANCE.
    Also I dont think any ISLAMIC historian of mughal period wrote anything about ancient india , they mostly wrote about their own conquest.
    @mahesh UTPAL DUTT had staged a play on KANAUJI AANGREY of the same name , takes me down the memory lane.
    Anybody aware HISTORY OF MARATHAS was written not by SHIV SENA but by SIR JADUNATH SIRCAR, he also wrote a BIOGRAPHY OF SHIVAJI

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan,

    It was Mr Princep who broke the secret code of Ashoka’s edicts carved on Stupas and rocks..
    There is an excellent documentary by Michael Wood of BBC (done for the American PBS) — “The story of India” ..It is a magnificent piece (I think it runs into 8-9 hours) tracing Indian history from 10,000 years ago to the partition. He does go in detail about the accidental discovery of what is written on Ashoka’s stupas ..
    I suggest you watching this if you have not already. It is a wonderful piece- covering the North and South over 10,000 years,

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  • Anonymous

    ye

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    My knowledge of history ancient India is poor. Would you take the trouble to throw some light on the kingdoms and temples in South East Asia?

    The specific query relates as to the people who went over and established Kingdoms, when and for how long, etc.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Rajeev,

    Few days back I had tough time in posting my comments. They were getting repeatedly flagged off. I could not send portion of my post. I will try doing it now.

    It was actually addressed to Ravi.

    I suggest you read ISLAMIC JEHAD, LEGACY OF FORCED CONVERSIONS . It is available on Internet. This beautiful and well documented book has been written by M.A.KHAN, an Indian Muslim.Many of your questions will be answered. I read it very recently, though I did not find anything new that i had not gathered otherwise. However having been written by a Muslim gives it additional respectability.

    Rajeev, if you happen to read this book, I would be interested in your Comments on Chapter dealing with Sufi’s.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaloke u are brain washed person.who has knowledge of distorted history prepared by britishers to divide the country.hindutva and rss are new occupier of thos country.

    even revivalist vivekanad has confirmed that cruel brhmncl social system was mainly responsible for conversion not fear of rulers.i am from up my area is ruled by muslims from 1298 and still 80%of population are hindus.muslim never anted conversion as hidu was very very good praja.SO DONT WRITE BULLSHIT OR REPEAT RSS VERSION OF HISTORY,WHICH IS BASED ON LIES WRITTEN WITH SOLE PURPOSE OF CREATING TENSION IN SOCIETY.brhmns were privilaged class during muslim but they change their loyality thinking that they can get more from britishers.they are traitors now they are bent upon making india colony of corporates in that process looting india.now the scams are running into lacs of crores.

    aaloke devdaasis were budhhdist nuns who were raped by temple pujaris.they were in millions.when u invvaded india and occupied it moolnivasis started doing sex with animals because u captured their women.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahladji Sirji,

    why are you bristling at my calling engrich a jihadi pig?

    Please be informed, Sirji, that I am not the only one or the first to call him a pig.

    You are also wrong in saying that he has not called me a pig. It is your “recentness” that is making you say this.

    He has called all of us, so called fundamntalist Hindus (and also all of the genuinely secular Muslims) all kind of names, worse than being called a pig. In this blog itself, he has abused Parvez’s mother and father.

    Therefore, the question arises, why are you, in the guise of ‘advising me about the language of deference I should use for the jihadi pig, springing to his defence?

    For your information (that is if you don’t care to remember), Ram Autar was expelled from this blog for using abuses and sexually explicit expletives.

    ALso be informed that his expulsion was welcomed by everybody here, except of course, the fake, Ravi and the congressi troll, who stood by engrich rock like.

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    engrich Reply:

    u and another of friend called me isi 4head ka hijra etc etc.instead of awsering my
    claims for which u have no awnser u resot to buse.this shows u lack knowledge.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Has the ISI removed you from its “service”?

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    engrich Reply:

    do teen cheezon ke alwa kutchaur bhi maloom hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I told you we have certain images formed with each alias/name here. The image we have about you is like an elderly cultured gentleman with a great sense of humour. So when you call somebody “jihadi pig”, it sounds so bad, so unreal, so out of place ! I can not imagine how you can go so low just to run somebody down.

    I commented because you directly addressed me and used phrase “jihadi pig” as part your conversation with me. Else I would not have.

    I surely can not change you. I can just point out what I am not comfortable with. BTW I do not do that to everybody. Since we exchange of opinions little often, so I pointed it out to you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    It is not at all my intention to deride you for your ideas which you have expressed with all sincerity.

    It is also not as if I call everybody with whom I have differences names like pigs and dogs.

    Therefore, if I call this engrich a jiadi pig or an Islamic pig, there is a purpose and also a history to it.

    All the bloggers except fake Ravi and the congressi troll, have been feeling quite disturbed and utterly helpless at the relentless onslaught from the said pig on Hinduism and brahmins and also, more importantly, against India. You may, being a good Indian and a good congressman, choose NOT to see it, hear it and repeat it, like the three good monkeys of Mahatma Gandhi. I wish you all the best.

    I often go against the common grain. Sometimes I choose to tread a different path.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Thanks.

    I am sure you will find strong yet civil words to put your ideas across when you are unhappy with somebody.

    engrich Reply:

    prahalad let them bark,they are on my foot.they are brainless scums.have no awnser so resot to abuse.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Couple of corrections.

    Ram Autar was hounded out of this blog and the hounding was led by none other than Mr Shenoy himself.

    Since Vinod was not responding, Shenoy THREATENED to quit, if the ban was not imposed.

    Ravi was and still is against ANY banning, ireespective of who the target is.

    Once again Ravi is against all bannings.

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    engrich Reply:

    ravi bhai truth is sour.if they speak lie.i will challenge.otherwise i keep quite.if he feel i wrote something wrong,he should challenge me.usually i forget past.
    so dont worry.contribution of shenoyv is nothing except labelling other.

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  • Anonymous

    prahlad dude, Shenoy sir is right. engerich uses very vile language against a lot of bloggers. Ignore him COMPLETELY- he and ravi with thier anti hindu rants cause a lot of islamophobia on this blog man.

    Gopi Sir and aalok. good disc but this dude has a different take on history. If someone gets vanquished i try not to blame the defeated that they were weak, thier DNA was faulty, they were disunited etc. SHIT HAPPENS in history man, jews and red indians almost got wipe out – try and look at present and future

    rizzy baby has spent all his life on the run from the history of muslim conquest of india cos of the pain it causes, rizzy baby never killed no one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizzy

    I agree with your statement; invaders obviously have an upper hand in certain things, definitely in defeating…

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    engrich Reply:

    what ever reason i will not allow u to speak lie on this blog.

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  • engrich

    AALOKE THIS IS HOW GOOD BRHMN SHOULD DEAL WITH MOOLVIVASIS,

    AALOKE brhmn is not hindu and hindu is not brhmn,this is how u used to treat moolnivasis,

    THUS SPAKE PERIYAR
    Brahmin punishment to shudras
    Christening: Good and auspicious names should be given to the Brahmins only. Kshatriyas should be given names connoting braveness and valour. Vaisyas’s name should be based on articles.
    Sudras alone should be given names meaning disgrace and degradation. Further the word “Dasan” should be the suffix for all the sudra names. (Chap.2, S.31 and 32).
    A Brahmin’s “Poonul” (thread) should be made of cotton. Khatriyas Poonul should be made 3 of janappa threads. Vaisyas Poonul should be made of goat’s hair. (Chap. 2.S.44).
    Pigs & sudras: Any eatable article becomes polluted and unfit for consumption when:
    (1) A pig dashes against, (2) hens and **** fly over, (3) when a dog looks at, (4) when a sudra touches. (Chap.3.S.241).
    Any one, who offers anything eatable to a sudra after the ceremony will go to hell. Such a fool will be punished there. He will have to live there upside down. (Chap.3.S.249).
    If the Brahmins happen to eat anything that has been tasted or touched by a sudra, that Brahmin should have intercourse with his wife that night and the dead will live in the motion of the wife for a month (Chap.3.S.250).
    There are seven varieties of sudras:
    (1) He who retreats in a war. (2) A prisoner in a war. (3) One who serves a Brahmin out of devotion. (4) Son of a prostitute. (5) One who is purchased. (6) One who is adopted. (7) One who is a traditional worker. (Chap.8.S.415).
    Duties of the sudra: A sudra worships a Brahmin either for salvation or for his livelihood. It will be a good thing for him if he calls all others inferior to Brahmins. (Chap.10.S.122).
    As the Kshatriyas have failed to perform rituals and as they neglected to worship the Brahmins, they are becoming sudras (Chap.10.S.43).
    In any congregation, the Brahmin alone should eat first. If there is balance of food, that alone should be given to others. New clothes should be worn by Brahmins only and when they become old and torn they should be given to others. A sudra is entitled to receive only these. (Chap.8.S.125)
    It is the duty of the king to order the sudra to serve the Brahmins. If the sudra refuses he should be punished and forced. (Chap.10.S.235).
    A Brahmin could extract work from the sudra paying or without paying. Brahma has created the sudra only to work for the Brahmins. (Chap.8.S.413).
    It is the main duty of the sudra to serve the other communities without jealousy. For his service he may get wages. (Chap.1.S.91).
    Exploitation: The wealth of the sudra who does not perform yagna is to be deemed as the property of the Asuras. So his wealth could be plundered.. (Chap.7.S.248).
    The wealth of the sudra could be forcibly plundered. No consent is needed. There need not be any hesitation. (Chap.11.S.13).
    Even if a sudra is in a position to earn, he should not earn anything more than what is needed to his family. If any sudra does so, he may go against the Brahmins and be tortured. (Chap.10.S.126).
    Punishment to sudras: If a sudra talks ill of a Brahmin his tongue should be cut off. (Chap.8.S.270).
    If a sudra pronounces the name of a Brahmin or talks of his caste or accuses him, an iron rod ten inches long should be heated red-hot and thrust into the mouth of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.271).
    If the sudra dictates the Brahmin to do a particular thing, boiled oil should be poured into the mouth and ears of the sudra. (Chap.8.S.272).
    If the sudra hits at Brahmin’s hair beard, legs, neck, penis, his hands must be cut off. (Chap.8.S.283).
    If the sudra sits in a seat along with a Brahmin, his hips should be scorched or he should be driven away from the town. (Chap.8.s.281).

    coversion is liberation from humiliating brhmncl slavery.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Did you learn all this at Sita Ram Kesri’s house in Pandara ParK?

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    engrich Reply:

    no a brhmn periyar inform me.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Good reply

  • Anonymous

    In Jaipur replay, university bows to ABVP film fatwa

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2840515.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpt

    Symbiosis University has cancelled the screening of documentary filmmaker Sanjay Kak’s Jashn-e-Azadi on Kashmir, after the right-wing student organisation, Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP), raised objections to its ‘separatist’ nature. The film was supposed to be screened at a three-day national seminar called ‘Voices of Kashmir’ at the Symbiosis College of Arts and Commerce, organised in association with the University Grants Commission (UGC) on February 3, 4 and 5.

    The organisation now wants the entire seminar cancelled, ABVP Pune unit Secretary Shailendra Dalvi told The Hindu on Saturday evening. “The content of the seminar, like the film, is anti-India, and against the Indian Army. We will not stand for anything that divides the country. Symbiosis has agreed to cancel the film screening, and we are giving them three days’ time to think about the event, too,” Mr. Dalvi stated.

    ———

    Where is the country headed to?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is the least of the problems we have!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I see. Thanks.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I can bet that Gopi would have considered it a huge problem had the ban been instigated by some Muslim organisation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know.

  • Anonymous

    Appeal to Doctors on this blog.
    —————————————————-

    Dr. Shan, Dr, Pankaj, Dr. Mishra,

    There is a very very sick old person with three names on this blog. He talks hate,
    he eats hate, he drinks hate, he sleeps hate, he breathes hate. Hate is comming
    out of every pore of his body. Please advice him of some psychiatrist. Needs help
    urgently . I am not worried of other bloggers as they can take care of themselves.
    I am only worried about this old man who is going to die of hatred if urgently
    help does not reach him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonam,

    the doctors have to only dangle videos of 72 virgins for this pest to leave here.

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    engrich Reply:

    mareez hain doctor nahin hai.

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  • Anonymous

    http://www.shitwecomeupwit.com/2012/01/this-is-hilarious/

    Everyone would like to have a neighbor like Mr. Soupolos.

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  • Anonymous

    The drum beat of US/Iran war is on…
    Pentagon has ordered for 20 “bunker busting” bombs. These bombs will go deep into the nuclear bunkers.
    The jewish lobby will force Obama to bomb. This being an election year, and economy being so-so, Obama may authorize an attack.
    World cannot afford another war in a petroleum rich area with the economy drowning down everywhere. A war and a closure of the Straits of Hormutz will drive oil price to stratosphere.
    Let us hope US will not be stupid.
    It is interesting that US continues to label Iran a terrorist state – Iran never undertook any terrorist acts against America or Americans (whereas Saudi Arabians did); USA committed terrorist acts against Iran by shooting down their airline with 300 plus people perishing.
    Saudi Arabia is with the jewish lobby in persuading/pressuring US to bomb Iran! .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    Can anyone safely say USA attacked Iraq for a valid reason ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    On Iraq, although baseless, they had a reason. The 9/11 attack was such a shock to them, that they did not really sort out, and went after Saddam because 1) he had threatened them non-stop and 2) they were supposed to have nuclear weapons that they said will be used against USA .

    Iran, unlike Iraq, has not made any threats to USA> It will be a deep shame if they attack solely as a proxy for Israel.

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    engrich Reply:

    9/11 was inside job.steel cannot burn in open air. bodies and plane cannot be evporate in minutes.firefighter reached on site in 10 minutes.

    no enquery commision was made to investigate truth.

    attack on iraq was planned long ago because of their oil wealth.

    rumsfiel was class fellow of amin gemael(lebnese president)he informed this to amin on his trip to new york.who told this to saddam.

    gopi u rss people make stories on imagination instead on available facts..

    Anonymous Reply:

    U learnt this from Sita ram Kesri, right?

    engrich Reply:

    kesaree jee died long before.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    I guess you are mixing up the turn of events.

    engrich Reply:

    Iran, unlike Iraq,

    did iraq

    engrich Reply:

    THERE WAS NO VALID REASON.SADDAM WAS more bigger enemy of alqaeda than bush.but they knew about their dwindling economy so the robbery was must.hence iraq was attacked saddam had 80%approval rating at the time of attack.latest example is libya now syria is under attack.this is all part of new world order.this is also part of zoinist plan to enslave christian regimes of west and america.they also want christians to leave middle east.they want fundamentalists to come on centre stage and moderate to loose.

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    engrich Reply:

    deshbhakts are called terrorist.

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  • Anonymous

    Any thoughts on the war of words (and more) between ex ISRO chief Madhavan Nair and Govt? I am glad to see the scientific community coming together on this, with Dr Rao not mincing any words.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I feel sad we are targetting Madhavan Nair. He was part of the team of the Chandrayan, our one genuine achievement.

    The media needs a scam a day for survival. Scientists are not commercial negoitaters. Genuine mistakes can be made and eals renegotiated.

    Bad in case we target our best.

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    engrich Reply:

    all brhmns are united to save his brother alongwith their toilet paper media.these useless lazy scientists of india,with hardly any achievent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Q Khan was your favourite scientis and osama was his. Both scientists you should emulate !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Vijay,

    A gentle suggestion. By responding to Engrich, you are keeping him in circulation. Just avoid him.

    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Why is that, do you find his challenging take on well established folk lore a bit too difficult to handle??

    Or is it that you are more comfortable when discussing with people who are already on the same page as you yourself. The discussion therefore is a platform for you to display your knowledge and then wait for wah wah from fellow rightwingers.

    Why is Engrich beyond your confronting logic.

    If Pariyar and Dalit World are his sources then why are they beyond discussion.

    What do you think History of India would read like, had it been re-written from the perspective of a Dalit ??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ravi,

    Any perspective can be discussed as long it is in a format of proper discussion. Views are properly formed with sound basis.

    You also many times have different perspective,but it can be discussed.

    There is lot of Garbage and Useful things floating around on internet. They can not be dumped without any properly formulated view. Further one can not discuss with anyone , it does need some mental stability.

    Ravi Reply:

    Sadly, it will be our loss, because in amongst his incoherence are some gems which are worthy of reading. They do make one think again about facts which we have accepted un-critically.

    I want someone who challenges established view points and is not merely a transparent veneer of sophistry over crude propaganda of BV Shenoy.

    I believe that Engrich in some rare occasions does just that. I would agree that a lot of cut & paste is distracting, but when he challenges the likes of Vijay, Shenoy, Gopi and others then it is a pleasure to read.

    I look forward to attacks on me??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ravi,

    Please speak truthfully on following points:

    Do you really read every post of Engrich completely?

    Do’nt you think that this person has some real Psychiatric issues? ( Here I am not trying to put him down )

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Aaloke

    Frankly I also dont ever put down Engrich and his chela. In fact I have learnt a lot from their operation style.

    For example they first posted under the name of ram autar. The basic idea was to show that Dalits and Hindus are different and then create fissures among them.

    Then they planned an opeoperation to post under the name of Tajendra. The same bull. But here the idea was to create hate among Hindus and Sikhs.

    There are so many such lessons I have learnt from Engrich and his chela… that I can now write 2 books on terrorism and brainwashing.

    engrich Reply:

    tell me when published i will claim royality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dont worry… I will sned a free copy to u. Maybe you will reverse brainwash then !

    Ravi Reply:

    Here are truthful answers.

    1. I do not read all his posts. I scan read them to see if hiding in there is something that challenges my existing position. If I find it, then I read. I do not contribute because I am intimidated by BVS and RajeevS. I also fear that it would – instead of leading to proper discussion – lead to ruining of the blog. I did not read all of your last post addressed to me either. I am also sure many people do not read what I write. I am sure that Dr Mishra and Balwinder do not.

    2. No I do not believe that Ram Autar has any form of mental illness, neither does anyone else here. We are all totally responsible for what we say. I am.

    engrich Reply:

    aaloke u write bullshit and distorted history.why u dontawnser when i challange u.better go some other jansanghi site ,where every body clap on foolish garbage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Come on you must be joking.

    You mean to say that one should peruse his all his posts
    and try to find these so called hidden gems and then
    thank him for his great job of
    educating us ?
    I have started completely ignoring him and will advice
    everyone to do so.

    Don’t try to defend the indefensible.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I am not saying that. I was answering a question on what I do. That is not the same as me saying that you should do the same. You do what you feel like, I neither reccomend him, not condemn him.

    Likewise, I have completely started to ignoring BVS, I prefer to read the RSS site, the original source of his garbage.

    But have you ever thought that while the media was controlled by the HAVES and it prevented the HAVE NOTS perspective getting air time. The internet has provided them with an opportunity to put forward their perspetive on Indian society.

    Some of it does make painful reading.

    Anonymous Reply:

    aaloke
    absolutely right

    engrich Reply:

    gopinu owe me many replies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx aaloke!!

    u have to beleive this and I am serious.

    I am in the middle of writing a book for which I have two three brainwashed terrorists as characters. Engrich’s brainwashed state helps me unravel a lot of diseased mystery.

    For the rest of us bloggers, Engrich and his chela, present a challenge on how we need to reverse brainwash the jehadis who attack our freedoms.

    I think if you do this…. we can replicate this experiment at a mass level for India and tthe world.

    engrich Reply:

    u are too ignorant vijay.only thing u can do is labeling work.u are learning fom my blogs.thing which u will not accept.

    engrich Reply:

    for people like u who circulate bjps distorted communal history, escape is best solution.zhoot ke pair nahin hote hain.

    engrich Reply:

    Q Khan was your favourite scientis and osama was his

    how u know.only because i am muslim so u say like.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~THE 21 LAKH JOBS IN UP, THE CONGRESS DESTROYED ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    This post is specially for
    @Prahlad who will give 21 lakh spinners to prove it is wrong
    @ Manohar, who had sort of raised the question that COngress stands for development and BJP for cows and temples
    @Praveen Saxena who knows the ground situation and second me on this

    @ others for warning them of the Congress’ divisve anti-devleopment agenda

    Here are a few facts which I know FIRST HAND BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THEM HAPPEN

    In 2001, when the BJP government was in power, the CEO of the greater noida authority who was earlier the Civil Aviation secretary, dreamt of and created infrastructure of an international airport in Greater noida. 10,000 acres of land was acquired and the infrastructure created. Delhi needed an airport badly and we still need it as flights hang mid air and accidents are missed by a whisker.

    This airport alone would have created at least 15 lakh jobs in construction, running, freight offices, cargo, hotels. extra tourism and what not.

    THE CONGRESS TORPEDOED THIS PROPOSAl since 2004 as they want an airpirt with credit only given to the gandy parivar !!!!!!; In truth the NCR badly needs another airport the Congress wont let it happen!!!!!! Wah re COngress wah !! wah !!

    There are buildinga and hopitals and what not in noida and greater noida which have been torpedoed by the ajeed jodi of chotta baba and digvinash singh as they are hunting for votes. I am designing two of them which had employment potential of 100 each and construction employment potential of 200 eacch for two years.

    If you count the total employment lost… it could be 6-7 lakhs for all the projects…

    So all ye inocents who beleive that Congress means Khulja sim sim of jobs… see the ground reality …. and then speak.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    What happened to the land? Congressis owning it now or still a govt property?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is government of UP property. Even MMS promised the airport when he saw the development in greater Noida. But chotta baba and digviansh wont let it happen. In their books, in case a Congress government comes, then they will announce it. Till now 8 years have passed the propasal PASSED byt eh civil aviation ministry is on the table of the GOM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    What should be the minimum air distance between 2 high traffic international airports ?

    [ No rhetoric please. You are a celebrated Technocrat I believe]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Prhald… I know this very well. Check out the distances in Paris, London and NewYork.

    The distance criteria can be changed with permission of the ICAO. HOWEVER THE DISTANCE is almost 80% of the suggested distance. Further on, the multitude of flights circulating above Delhi waiting for clearance are a bigger danger of accident. My pilot friends tell me reaching Delhi airport itself in time for flights is a challenge.

    Further on in case the COngress by hook or crook comes to power, in one week “Rajiv GANDHI airport would be anounced.

    So a project convcieved by a non polical CEO in the BJP government would be stolen by the Congress in its typical monoplising style.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I guess Merrut would be the right location as per the appropriate air distance. But Merrut is not suitable enough.

    BTW pilots don’t decide about suitabality of the airports. Drivers do not design automobiles or decide about the suitability of location of the manufacturing plants.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad … Prahlad… I have had occasion to sit with aviatio experts staff on air sutiability . Places in Haryana would be on the current International flight paths. Remember the midair crash in charkee dadri.?

    Meerut may be better…. but the it is still in UP and chotta baba will not let this happen till he gets the government. Then Land is also impossible to acquire in Meerut becasue fo the polulation density.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    There is a body called IAAI… if you heard of it. The former Chief Engineer is a good friend and also my client for his personal house construction. I got most of the inputs from him too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    The land problem in meerut has been an issue. The state Govt. could never resolve this problem.

    The land mafia wanted it closer to Delhi.

    I guess you need to get connected even deeper to get hold of the real issues on this case.

    The land price in G Noida never went up to level it was expected ( or as promised ).

    Anyway, thanks for bringing in some sense of logic in your post for the benefit of readers.

    [ People had problems getting clearance for helicopter maintenance unit in Greater Noida. ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Becasue Chotta baba is sitting ont he airport project and the Metro is being delayed becasue of the centre. Again the C and D factor.

    c= chotta baba
    d= digvinash singh

    Though I am in real estate and construction, in my heart I against high land prices. They outprice agricukture production and make the farmers stop farming. Industrialists stop thinking production and start thinking real estate and comercial use of plots.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am having problem going through your posts these days. They are filled up with rhetoric statements all the time. I really have to work hard to get “leads” / “threads” and facts to reply.

    Honestly, I visualise you ( these days ) like an IPL cheer leader continuously jumping and dancing while trying to converse.

    Land prices have no connection with your heart.

    If you understand UP land dynamics, kind of people involved you would see things differently. It’s far cruel than the betting mafia. Anyway, let us leave it for some other time. Enjoy your drink now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    O boy do I know the UP land mafia? Well i have dined with many including Amar SIngh dhala who took charge of allotments in Mulayam SInghs time along with flex Chairman Chaturvedi.

    I have seen how the land was alloted in Mayawait’s time with how much going underhand.

    I have seen and desinged in my SMALL way the structure of some of the houses and industries in UP.

    I kow most ofthe property dealers in Noida, ghaziabad, Inidrapurama

    Becasue of a small part I played… by giving lecture demonstarions on raineawterharvesting to three authorites– Noida, grreaterNoida and Gurgaon… the greater Noida authority made it mandaotry for all buildings…

    Ask me the prices of any sector I will give it right now.

    But then u will still feel that I dont know the UP land scene…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Then you would have had a different take on the issue.

    [ You dined with Mr Amar Singh? No wonder.................... !!!! ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    I accompanied an industrial client to a party in habitat, which Amar SIngh had thrown. My client of course was keen to be a good “friend” of Amar…

    .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Now our future PM has realized his mistake that is why to compensate
    for the job losses he has promised 21 lakhs job will be created if they
    are voted to power. Problem is that because of your Sanghi background
    you are not able to digest the HONEST PROMISE of our yuvraj.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I am absolute nuetral as far as development is concerned. Unfrotunately the present UPA has been unfair to non Congress governments and hampered many projects for selfish reasons.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    promises are always honest
    implementation is dishonest
    result: feathering his own nest.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ FANATASTIC !!! Vinod Sharmaji is advertising BJP now !!! ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    All ye brother bloggers. Vindo Sharma and Prahlad ji are now with the BJP because of the changing winds as predicted by the India Today survey !!

    The BJP ad now comes at the top of the page… check it out !! A flash AD !!

    Wah Vinod ji… wah !

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    engrich Reply:

    how u know

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  • Anonymous

    . Government takes tough stand and asks Army to change the birth date of Gen V K Singh to 1950.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    From TOI

    Ahead of the Supreme Court hearing on the subject, the defence ministry has written to the Adjutant General’s (AG) branch of the Army to correct its record to show the year of birth of Army chief Gen VK Singh as 1950 contrary to his stand that he was born one year later.

    The letter was issued to the AG’s branch last week to correct its record and show May 10, 1950 as the date of birth of Gen Singh, sources said here.

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  • Anonymous

    Unexpected News
    ————————-

    Banishing no solution: Geelani

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Banishing-no-solution-Geelani/articleshow/11676092.cms

    Excerpt

    Hurriyat hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani has criticised the decision of a local Sharia court ordering expulsion of five Christian missionaries from Jammu and Kashmir, saying banishing someone is no solution.

    “We are not with the decision taken by the Sharia court to banish a few persons from the state for their alleged role in conversions. Banishing someone is no solution,” he said.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Did you notice the 21 lakh jobs Chotta baba and congress destroyed in UP?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are a slippery customer. When discomforted you scoot – two of the discussions are incomplete, never mind, I understand.

    What your response has anything to do with news item? Obfuscation!.

    Actually, I am surprised that Geelani has made such a statement.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I am just answering your accusations about BJP raising the temple and Congress getting 20 lakh jobs. In actual reality, the Congress has knocked out 21 lakhs jobs out of UP, as I have explained three postings below…

    Anonymous Reply:

    If that is so, then the Congress deserve to loose the UP elections. I have no problem with that.

    As far as the ‘bhavaiya’ mandir is concerned, the BJP was in power for 6 years, they could not do anything about it. The reason – the court case was pending in the High Court. Right? Fair enough.

    Now when the case is pending in the Supreme Court and we do not know when the case will be decided. In spite of that, the beloved BJP has promised to build the ‘grand’ temple. Right?

    I hope you will not scoot after reading what follows. Only hoping.

    1) What is the guarantee that the suit will decided soon and that too in favour of the temple builders? Or would they build it somewhere else?

    2) Aren’t they taking the people for a ride (on a rath, I suppose) by a promise which is unlikely to fulfilled?

    3) Wasn’t Mahant Das right when he said – “What’s new. They ‘build’ one every election, and forget it post-election.”

    Subject: Cows

    Well let us leave it for some other time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    In my eyes, building a temple at teh very same spot is not a huge issues. Yes it is so, in the eyes of many. In fact some spirit of give and take could accomodate both apsirations. Unfortunately they are vested interests which do not want a resolution of the issue.

    But yes, a huge Ram temple at Ayodhya will always be an emotional issue for HIndus as Mecca is for Muslims.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Give and take. First, they demolish the mosque and now you talk of give and take. Strange indeed.

    Even then, there was no question of give and take – the RSS through VHP/BD had made it a one-way street and went on a rampage. Shameful.

    Emotions! My foot. Again it was the RSS which projected it as an ‘emotional’ issue for its own nefarious ends.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not follow what you are saying. If you elaborate, then we can discuss. I will not scoot.

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  • engrich

    aaloke instead of empty boasting and spreading distorted history,

    Indian child forced to feed on dog milk

    on yahoo

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  • Anonymous

    This is for engrich.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091669/Sunny-Islam-Strict-Muslim-raped-4-women-knifepoint-punish-them.html#ixzz1kcrnuqbe

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    engrich Reply:

    death is punishment for people like this in islam.u will find very few like this while in western world and in america,this is daily news.

    delhi is rape capital of world.in dubai ladies roam freely at 3a.m in delhi they feel scared after 7.

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  • Anonymous

    And this one. Bi bi for now .

    1)Moro “Islamic” front misunderstood in Phillipines;
    2) Jemehiah “Islamia” misunderstood in Indonesia;
    3) Bodo’s “Islamic” front misunderstood in Thailand;
    4) Party se “Islam” misunderstood in Malaysia;
    5) Hizbul Tahrir misunderstood in Australia;
    6) Uighur ISlamic front misunderstood in China;
    6) Lashkar Mohammed misunderstood in India;
    7) Taliban misunderstood in Afghanistan;
    6) Laskah e Toiba misunderstood in Pakistan;
    7) Khomenie and gang misunderstood in Iran;
    8 ) Moqtada Al Sadr misunderstood in Iraq;
    9) Hezbollah misunderstood in Lebanon;
    10)Hamas misunderstood in Jordan;
    11) Whole of Saudi and GCC are misunderstood;
    12) Nour party and Muslim brotherhood misunderstood in Egypt;
    13) NLF in Libya is misunderstood in Libya;
    14) Boko Haram is misunderstood in Nigeria;
    15) Whole of Sudan is misunderstood;
    16) Chechens are misunderstood in Russia;
    17) Kosovars are misunderstood in Balkans;
    18) Assorted Imams are misunderstood in Europe;
    19) Assorted Imams are misunderstood in US; and
    20) Not to mention Somalia or Anjem Choudhary

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich and Ravi misunderstood on this blog

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    Ravi Reply:

    MusthaphaCrapInderPark

    1)Moro Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Phillipines;
    2) Jemehiah Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Indonesia;
    3) Bodo’s Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Thailand;
    4) Party se Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Malaysia;
    5) Hizbul Tahrir Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Australia and the UK;
    6) Uighur Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in China;
    6) Lashkar Mohammed Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in India;
    7) Taliban Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Afghanistan;
    6) Laskah e Toiba ISI Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Pakistan;
    7) Khomenie and gang well understood in Iran;
    8 ) Moqtada Al Sadr Iran Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Iraq;
    9) Hezbollah Iran Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Lebanon;
    10)Hamas Iran Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Jordan;
    11) Whole of Saudi and GCC are well understood;
    12) Nour party and Muslim brotherhood misunderstood Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Egypt;
    13) NLF in Libya is misunderstood in Libya;
    14) Boko Haram is Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Nigeria;
    15) Whole of Sudan is Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos;
    16) Chechens are Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Russia;
    17) Kosovars are Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Balkans;
    18) Assorted Imams are Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in Europe;
    19) Assorted Imams are Saudi/US Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos in US; and
    20) Not to mention Somalia or Anjem Choudhary who are Saudi Funded Regressive Islamic Fundos
    21) BJP RSS funded Hindu Fundamentalists.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Eavi

    Are you sure guru Engrich would be happy in case u find a Saudi hand everywhiere?

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    engrich Reply:

    saudi has hand in many of these uprisings.this is fact.in checheya and lebnon they have.what is wrong.every country acts according to national interest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like there is a rift between Saudi Gestapo and ISI.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who will prevail… Saudi gestapo or ISI?

    engrich Reply:

    there are fifty movements like this in india.so in 71 countries only 20 nothing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    i wlll cosider Hamas, hezbulla as legitimate freedom fighters,,also muslim brotherhood has moved om / differt these days from their old days

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    engrich Reply:

    what about chechens most of them are freedom fighter.they are fighting occupation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Azhar Masood very well understood in Pakistan.

    Zakir Naik very well understood in India.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Gulam ram john, pl do not cut and paste these long posts, we are all aware of these. I appreciate your sentiments however, but would suggest you ignore engerich. He has a hard drive full of manusmriti type trash and he just loves every opportunity to paste these.
    Interact with others, this blog has some lovely characters. Be careful of the two geriatrics here- Sri Sri Shenoy and Balwinder praaji- their advanced years has not dimmed their combativeness or their humour. They do not suffer fools gladly and last seen were chasing Ravi, their favourite quarry across the prairie, firing their guns intentionally not at him but all around him.
    And I am sutradhaar, I record events in this mela and I annoy people with my unexpected posts. Like now, when I say, in engerich’s thousand rubbish posts, there ia s rare gem- last week he said- Like you Dr Mishra of yorkshire, I left India but India never left me. Thats engerich ?!

    I also take this opportunity to thank Aalok and Prahlad, young blood, I read most of your posts. And rizwan who hates Ravi and engrich for the islamophobia they generate- he said something beautiful last week- ‘RIZZY IS FED UP OF REMINDERS OF ISLAMIC BRUTALITY. rizzy never killed no body’

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    engrich Reply:

    dr saheb they are forcing me to write all these.why they attack islam and muslims.then i have to expose them as well.aloke was writing communal bullshit so i have to show him the mirror.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    don’t you think, engrich’s bleatings about India not leaving him have shades of Mohammed Ghori’s pleadings of ill-health and wailing wife left behind, to Prathviraj, melting his heart and pouring abundant mercy on the defeated decoit?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    when you said that I should read the article written reply to Parvin swami’s article I could go there as today being weekend and feeling a bit relaxed. Manohar, it has nothing to do with deliberately not reading Parvin’s article.
    Mohan, the ideas floated by anti kumbha people or people who say that government should do nothing, is to my mind, limit of foolishness.
    Most of the replies given are same, which I wrote a few days back. However, article contain few other facts as well.
    To my mind, this huge congregation also spurt business activities and that particular city’s octroi can get crores of rupees on bus travellers entering city limits. railway can have additional bogies and charging special fares for respective city during the kumbh Period for the benefirt of travellers and railways equally. City based business must be making huge profits during these days. So, these pilgrimages make not only spiritual, emotional sense but business sense as well. All the expenses shown incurred by raising water taps or sanitory work or other such structures, are they permanent or temporary? Any way, all the political parties, drawing their power from these people( Pilgrims) should not play with these traditions. At times I feel, people raising these points, in their perversity to please power that be, are indicators, where India is going. Haj subsidy( and its figures) versus taxing an indigenous tradition going thousands years back. Government withdrawing from its civic duty for such congregations is preposterous.

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    fully agree Pankaj. Some people like Manohar tried to equate Kumbh mela with Haj subsidy- because organising A is allowed, so should B be !! Your reply was very sensible

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Pankaj/Dr.Mishra

    Agree with your views. Subsidies and government amenities are two
    different things and should not be clubbed together.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    The central question was whether the state should fund/subsidise people’s religious practices / rituals. As per our constitution, the state is religion-neutral. I did say – law and order are state’s responsibility and they must.

    If it does for one, then it cannot discriminate.

    Hence, my view is that the Government must not get involved. Let there a be organisation/authority of temples/businesses/what have you in the city concerned (there are already Hak committees) to organise infrastructure and facilities, pay the charges for them. In turn, they can collect fees from the pilgrims and I am sure there will lot of rich religious people who can donate funds too in the name of charity. This would apply to Kumbh Melas, Haj and any other festival of other religions/sub-religion.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Ravi,

    I am happy to know that you are interested in knowing different “Perspective” from Facts which have been accepted un- critically.

    Now in Indian context , what are the Facts which have been accepted Un-Critically. Theories that we are taught in schools as facts. Ideas which are considered Main stream.

    # Indus Valley civilisation was of Local Indians ( Probably Dravidians ).
    # Aryans , who were Tribes from Central Asia invaded India and destroyed Indus valley Civilisation.
    # Aryans then went on to rule other areas also.
    # Ancient Indian Society was based on Caste system where the lowest caste Shudras were very badly treated.( ManuSmriti is cited here).
    # With advent of Islam, lower castes converted to Islam as it had equality in its society.
    # Muslim invaders were mostly after money and power ( Like any invader is). Destruction of temples was because Temples had lot of treasures, and not because of any religious reasons.
    # Another idea which is being made Main Stream is – Violence on Hindus on religious grounds ( Where ever it happened , which in any case was very rare as per new ideas )was not a unique feature of Muslims. Before that Hindus also had indulged in similar violence with Buddhists.

    History in India after Independence is being written by strongly left leaning Historians.Perspective from so called Dalit point of view is very mainstream.It is not a different perspective.

    What our Dear Engrich dumps here is only what is mainstream. There is no different perspective that I can find in them.

    However with more research taking place, certain new theories have started taking shape. ARYAN INVASION THEORY has been very grudgingly now downgraded to ARYAN MIGRATION THEORY. The very concept of Aryans as tribes having come from outside India is in very serious doubt.

    History of India which we are taught, has been written by Europeans.( Modifications have been done after independence with portions dealing with Muslim period highly mellowed down).Europeans came here around 17th century. In India, they saw either Muslim rule ( with some areas under Hindus ) or general pitiable condition of Hindus of that time. Now history after advent of Islam had lot of documents available, there were lot of Muslim chroniclers who had written during their times. This had to be collated. Problem was history before advent of Islam.During Muslim rule, all earlier universities ,Libraries, Temples had been destroyed / burnt down.( There is a story that when a Muslim invader captured an area which had a huge library, it was asked by his commanders what they should do with such a big collection of books, he replied, all books which have things written which are contrary to Quran to be burnt as Quran has the final truth, anything else is falsehood. He then added, any book where similar things as in Quran are written also to be burnt as why have duplication of books when it is already there in Quran).

    Then these Europeans came across Sanskrit. They were taken aback by such advanced language. They came across Gita, Mahabharata, Ramayan ,Upnishads . It was again a total surprise for them that such advanced literature is in possession of these Hindus who were in such pitiable condition. How could these Hindus develop such advanced literature. They also noticed striking similarity of Sanskrit and other Indian Languages with European languages. It was but natural for them to consider some other source of such advancement. I don’t blame Europeans for this.Anyone would have made such deductions looking at condition of Hindus( after 700-800 years of Islamic Barbarity ) of that time and such advanced literature that was in their possession.Hindus were at a very low level in Culture and Philosophy , added to that lot of Superstitions and some very bad practices.. So there had to be Aryans who came to India from outside, destroyed local culture and made their culture supreme.

    Well above are different perspectives. I am sure you would be interested in these Different Perspectives.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke Sir,

    Let us live in the present and construct a better future. Life would be so much simpler !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    Again a good post. I always enjoy reading your views.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Aaloke

    Once again you have addressed your post to me, when in fact it should have been addressed to Engrich. All the points you quote are eminently discussable and I see no reason as to why you do not discuss these with him. Overcome his style and counter the points he makes. I advocate against his banishment, I neither support nor condemn his view points.

    I have rarely, if ever made any of the points that you cite here. I can see mischief in your post.

    However, you may have spent an hour or so composing the post and I would like to answer some of your points.

    History, they say, is a plausible story that can be written which connects a bunch of chronologically organised artefacts (available light). Such artefacts are available to everyone, be they be Europeans, Left Wingers, Right Wingers, Hindus, Muslims, JNU Types and even Prime Minister’s daughter.

    So here are some questions to you:

    1. Do you believe that our History as written by Europeans – both before and after our Independence – is FLAWED because it was written by people whose sympathies lay elsewhere?

    2. Do you believe that History written by Left-Wingers and JNU types is similarly FLAWED (to the extent it is plain wrong) simply because you believe that Left Wingers have a disagreeable perspective on life. (not Jingoistic enough, too accomodating of Muslim/Dalit View Points).

    3. While The Europeans and Left Wingers were writing Indian History from their perspective, where were the Right Wingers. What was stopping them from presenting our History from their perspective? I can hear a sentence with the words Congress in it being constructed as I write this.

    4. Paucity of documents due to wanton destruction by Muslims, is a fact which effects all Historians, not just Right Wingers. So not sure what your point is. Further-more you completely ignore the fact, that by and large Hindu society relied heavily on Oral Transmission of History, with remarkable accuracy and consistency. A lot was lost when this tradition got diluted.

    5. Europeans came across Sanskrit and the glory of Indus Valley Civilisation long before some of the Epics you cite were written.

    6. “How could Hindus develop such Advanced Literature”, who asks this question. I doubt if any one does. All the History Books I have ever read be they written by Europeans or the JNU Type Left Weftys, clearly state that Ambassadors from Greece, China and elsewhere took back a lot of advanced thinking and knowledge back to their countries with full admiration etc. This to me sounds like and unnecessary inferiority complex.

    BTW, Aryan Migration is denied by Hindu Right Wing politicians. This is because that would make Sanatan Dharm as an imported concept and religion, putting it at par with Islam and Christianity, etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kudos.

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  • Anonymous

    Seems there is an old wine in a new avatar.

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  • Anonymous

    Need to raise agri productivity before bringing food law: Pawar

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Need-to-raise-agri-productivity-before-bringing-food-law-Pawar/articleshow/11680356.cms

    Excerpts

    1) Pawar, who was not fully aligned with the Congress on the food security legislation, argued that his grievance was that the total budgeted provision for entire agriculture ministry was Rs 20,000 crore and subsidy, as of today, was Rs 65,000 crore which might go up to Rs 1 lakh crore in the current year.

    “Solution is that unless and until we increase production, we will not be able to implement, we will not be comfortable to implement this (food security bill),” Pawar told a TV channel.

    2) When pointed out that the food law was UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi’s pet project, Pawar said, “This is not a question of individual. This is a question of investment in agriculture.”

    ————

    IMO, he is right.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Pawar is right. NREGA too has to be monitored thru UID or something. I know some workers at construction sites in Delhi who now prefer to sit at home in villages in Bihar doing nothing as the dole which is 30% of the amount is an incentive.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe that NREGA and other measures to help poor people will work more efficiently when the UID is fully operational.

    Here is another. Worth reading..

    Food Security bill needs amendments: MS Swaminathan

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_food-security-bill-needs-amendments-ms-swaminathan_1643874

    Excerpt

    Though having commendable provisions such as a life style approach to food security starting with conception and extending upto old and infirm persons, the bill unfortunately had no role for Gram Sabhas and local bodies in achieving social protection measures, he told reporters here.

    He said women were treated as heads of households for the purpose of the food entitlement in the Bill, which has also an enlarged food basket including nutri-cereals like ragi, barja, maize, for distribution under the PDS.

    On Union Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar expressing apprehensions about implementation of food security in view of huge subsidy and expenditure, he said it not only agricutlure but various other ministries like rural development, water resources and energy which together could muster huge allocations.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You wrote about Congress government at the Center putting impediments in the development of UP. I agree with you. When Sonia Gandhi wanted BSP’s numbers in the Rajya Sabha to elect that Pratibha Patil as Prseident and Sonis Gandhi had personally visited her , at that Manmohan Singh had visited Greater Noida and made a grand announcement that his govt shall approve A

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  • Anonymous

    strange things happening with DISQUS.
    contd.
    Vijay
    Manmohan had approved Airport at Greater Noida. However that has been forgotten now. That airport would have broght about huge job opportunities in UP . I can narrate many such acts of the Congress where it only put obstacles in the development of UP.
    V K Singh’s age issue. The Defence Minister’s letter to Adjutant General Branch which is official record keeper of the Army is only an after thought as the AG Branch still keeping 1951 as the year of Birth , would have made its stand quite unexplainable
    before the SC. All this is ok . But what is the Govt doing about his Matriculation Certificate .Unless the govt challenges that , how can age be determined as this issue is not compOundable. Can the Government and its employee determine the age through a mutual agreement , without reference to the Document which the Rules say is the only evidence.
    Some gentlemen have been equating the Haj Susidy with the arrangements made for Kumbh. The government does not spend any money on meeting any expenditure of the those who come for the congregation. The government only makes adminstrative arrangements for smooth conduct , law and order , health and hygiene which are its statutory duties. Expenses on such activities are incurred by the government for religous events of all religions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen and Prahlad and Manohar

    All the people who innocently believe that the congress will create 20 lakh jobs should actually see the ground situation where probably 21 lakh jobs have been destroyed by this selfish party which targets non Congress states.

    Praveen you are right about MMS visitng the expo mall, greater Noida and announcing the airport just to get Mayawati’s support for Pratibha Patil’s election. It was trickery..

    @ Manohar

    What would Goa’s tourism and employment be today without the airport, just evaluate. Then remember that Chotta baba and co have destroyed that today for their selfish purpose. Today Goa is going in for a bigger airport in NOrth Goa while UP which gets foreign importers and tourists has to keep waiting and begging for political reasons and the short sightedness of the SOnia Congress.

    @ Prahlad

    Is’nt it shamefull that the HT relied on a character like Amar SIngh Dhala during the tapes controversy knowing that he was part of the land mafia?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You found him worthwhile to dine with ! None of us done that so far ! You rather be asking all questions about Mr Amar SIngh to yourself !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad sir

    A client took me there. I was curious on who this guy is… whom all the channel walas and the press say salaam..

    My reading was it was ll about getting land allotments in Noida and greater Noida… given to friends for free news publicity… to others for Kicks… and backs…

    And to justice Sabharwal, CJ of supreme court, for his sons… for getting justice Amar SIngh style :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    We do need infrastructure for tourism also. Airports are one of them. Who is denying it.

    You probably have access to ‘inside’ information, which I do not have. I go by the media reports. You may be right as to what you are saying/alleging. I cannot not refute or agree with what you have to say for lack of that inside information.

    Here are some of the things I know which are in the public domain.

    1) The 150-km clause in the agreement between civil aviation ministry and the GMR-led consortium that bars any airport to come up within 150 kilometre of Delhi airport is turning out to be quite a headache for the government. The consortium is incharge of Delhi airport modernisation.

    2) Land war comes to Noida airport hub
    August 02, 2011

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Land-war-comes-to-Noida-airport-hub/Article1-728688.aspx

    Farmers of Jevar village, where the Uttar Pradesh government wants an airport and aviation hub, decided to oppose acquisition of their land at a panchayat on Tuesday.

    Jevar is one of 40-odd villages along the Yamuna Expressway linking Greater Noida with Agra.

    The farmers have been inspired by the Supreme Court and Allahabad high court orders last month, directing the government to return 750 hectares of land to farmers of Shahberi and Patwari villages in Greater Noida.

    The government has reserved 10,000 hectares in several villages in Jevar tehsil by informing farmers that their land will be acquired for the aviation hub.

    Several other villages along the Expressway also held panchayats under the banner of the Rashtriya Kisan Union.

    “We’re not against the Expressway. But in the name of the airport project, the authorities have expanded the area of reserved land four times. We’re sure the bulk of this land will be sold to private builders for residential complexes and hotels,” said Raj Kumar of Sabota village in Jevar tehsil.

    “We should get the right to sell our land directly to private developers,” said farmer Vijay Pal Singh.

    “Compensation should be six times the present circle rate,” said Gurdas Singh, another farmer.

    On Sunday and Monday, other villages along the Expressway held panchayats and issued warnings to builders to stop work.

    “We’re moving court. No work will be allowed till the matter is settled in court,” said a farmer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You dont know the ground situation as well as I do.

    a) The 150 km radius thing was signed later on by the UPA to deflate the Noida airport.

    2) The Farmer agitation was started only six months back by chotta baba and co. Chotta baba’s own brother in law in partnership with DLF acquires land at much less rate in Gugaon (20lakhs per acre) as compared to the 34 lakhs paid by the Mayawait government. UP government also allots residential plots to farmers which sell for more than a crore which many a farmer resell.

    3) ALL the farmers want the ariport as it means a huge devleopment plan for the area. In case the airport had been sanctioned in 2004, there would be no agaitation. However now probably higher comepnsation would need to be given.

    4) A similar agaitation can be sarted in North Goa by opposition parties to target the new Goa international airport. How would it sound then.

    India needs development and projects and not singur style torpedoing. Jevar, land is mostly saline.

    Of course farmers need to be compensated at the highest and be given alternative residential and commercial plots for alternative sources of income which are higher than their previous ones.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have no dispute on this (cannot agree or disagree) . You probably are right. As I said, you are privy to ‘inside’ information, unlike me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    even if he doesn’t know the ground reality, this troll does make up for the lack of it by his long, boring outpourings mostly cotaining garbage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    One of the reason I had posted the link of that article because Mr. Swami
    had compared Haj subsidy with money spent on Kumbh Mela. There is huge
    difference in subsidy and money spent on administrative arrangements.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Praveen Swami , I think is with the “Hindu”. I heard this eminent person once tell on a News Channel that he was prosecuted by the Delhi Police for violating a traffic rule only because he was Tamil. Such an absurd statement coming from a senior Media person was surprising.What this gentleman does not know is that constabulary of Delhi Police is drawn up not just from North Indian states but also far off states like Tamil Nadu, Kerala , Bihar etc . The IPS is an All India cadre and the sub-inspectors are also recruited through an All India Exam.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    That is why I love this blog. By interacting with different people
    we come to know many things which we either do not get
    to see in main stream media or we would have just missed that. Thanks for information on Mr. Swami.

  • Anonymous

    ~~~Shutman Ruddie, Tarka Butt, Hairy So-so and Valium There-Pimple~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    This is the title of Zia’s latest blog! His take on trying to enforce the freedom of speech at the Jaipur lit fest.

    One thing for sure. Barkha won’t be liked to called Tarka BUTT. Women, as I know have a different sense of humour. And being hightlighted for the Butt … well will soon see a “Hell-has-no-fury” styled Barkha charging at Zia and maybe the HT!

    So the HT management better keep a handsome amount as libel charges. WHile some of the HT staffers appearing on NDTV shows, better be prepared to apologise on HT’s behalf or face a ban… :)

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    I have no time to waste on Barkha, especially after the Barkha-gate episode. But, even Barkha will have better things to do than read Zia Haq.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    You are right, Zia should be avoid like Engrich. There is not
    much difference between them.
    Dono ek hi raag alaapte hain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    U R right. Barkha gate was a real expose on the working of the media…

    But I was talking about the second part. No woman I knew ever liked a comment on the BUTT in public… at her butt…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    There are many other better butts to look at than the butt of
    Ms. Dutt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Naughty naughty… !

  • Anonymous

    :) Zia may end up writing satanic verses 2 now…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    He will not. Too interested in self preservation!

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  • Anonymous

    Well folks remember that song , Dosto sey pyar kiya , Dushmano se badla liya , jo bhi kiya hamne kiya , SHAN NE
    This is what I paid back to Zia with full interest
    THEY FALL FOR ME AND MY BULLSHITISM BY MIA UL FUQ
    I am from shitlet , born to a low caste hindu peasant family , driven out of the fold by the samajpati of our society. I should have been in BANGLADESH , now that we managed to drive out all the hindus from there , but then how can you stay in that place , they cant even make aspirin there. As for having four wives , I CAN HAVE THAT IN INDIA also I CAN PRACTICE THE MOST MISOGYNIST AND BARBARIC FORM OF ISLAM ONLY IN INDIA. Thus my family moved to assam , I became a KUTTAR, MUTTANDAR AND A THORIUGHBRED BANDAR

    The above can be read as YOU WILL GET AS GOOD ASYOU GIVE

    Now my favourite topic about the BIRDS in NDTV
    Barkha’s butt is in keeping with her PUNJABI gene , I am sure ashish and Noida builder comes across all the timein Delhi. Her butt is really HUGE , need special position during carnal encounter
    Sonia Singh comes across as a shallow hectoring type , pompous yet shallow very off putting.
    Nidhi is good , dont know how she looks like without the wig
    Maya Mirchandani is MUMSY
    There is a bird who comes in the early morning bulletin , I always forget to note her name , perhaps i am too fixed on her face , may be Bina , She is really good
    There is one called Kashish , my favourite in looks
    Decline of bengal is even evident by the looks of anchors in TV
    Buddhadev Bose ,( one of the giant of bengali literature and the one who founded Comparative litrature Dept in jadavpore Univ, probably dozen or so in the world AND ONLY ONE IN INDIA) once wrote PRETTIEST GIRLS ON EARTH CAN BE FOUND
    IN GARIAHAT SQUARE IN THE EVENING.
    Bose is long dead so are the dreams

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    Anonymous Reply:

    phoolon se dosti hai kaanton se yaari hai
    aise maze ki hoy, aise maze ki pyaare zindagi hamaari hai.

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    with this post, you have reached the depths previously reached only by fake Ravi and his joined-at-the-hip soul mate, engrich.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One of your post has been deleted because YOU STOOPED SO LOW , THE DEPTHS OF GUTTER WHERE EVEN DEVIL FEAR TO TREAD

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And they have audacity to demand a ban on others from the blog on grounds of ……….

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    No one should be banned

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    Practising before preaching. What is that?

    Ravi Reply:

    The lieutenant is deputising for the missing commandant, as you can see above

    Anonymous Reply:

    RajeevS was right. You need Shan’s patronage to survive.

    Anonymous Reply:

    i will vote for oustig egigrich

    Anonymous Reply:

    I too would vote or him to be ejected. My study on his warped mind is almost complete and also on how he can win chelas thru sheer bombardment of garbage.

    The volume of garbage is important for Engrich like operations. Imagine kids in Muridke are subjected to 20 teachers like Engrich for 24 hours a day, before they set of on a suicide mission. It sounds logical that they are willing to blow themselves up, rather than be subjected to more torture of propoganda !

    You can see the effect on his chela etc.

    Ravi Reply:

    I oppose that.

    No doubt Balwinder will conduct one of his fake surveys.

    Anonymous Reply:

    you will naturally oppose the expulsion, because then you too would have to be expelled, since both of you are joined at the hip.

    engrich Reply:

    AS I REMEMBER one of you (vjay)wasexpelled from blogthen begged for return.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No one must be banned and in any case is not feasible on the net.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This time we should insist on expelling fake Ravi too along with the obnoxious pig, engrich.

    The last time he was very nearly expelled, but Vinod Sharma took pity on him and advised all of us to give him another chance.

    He had also the low cunning of a gutter rat in appealing to the “good sense” of Dr. Mishra!!!!!!

    engrich Reply:

    tumhari khair isee mein hai.today again one deshbhakt brhmn is caught robbing india.mr acharya was great deshbhakt.

    ravi bhai yeh rss trained deshbhakts kya kya khainege.
    bhopal victims ke paise kha gaye.
    isro ko khalee kar diya.
    indian sport ka safaya kar diya

    HUD TO YEH HAI KEE APNE BACHCHON KE GULLAK KE PAISE KHA GAYE.

    KYA KYA KHAINGE,

    gopi jee aap hee bataeye.

    engrich Reply:

    BLOG PE ZHOOT BOLNE KA YAHEE TAREEQA BACHA HAI.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If that happened, what a fine thing it would have been. 50% less posts to navigate mostly containing garbage and abuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    it was not like Shankar Sinh Vaghela leading a campaign against Modi without any followers.

    If as you say, I led the hounding, why should Vinod Sharma be obliged to expel the jihadi Ram Autar?

    Therefore, dear fake mona Singh, I was fortunate that most of the bloggers, with the solitary exceptions of one fake Ravi and another fake, Prabhat, supported the cause.

    Let me quote Shakespeare here for your benefit:

    THRICE IS HE ARMED THAT HAS JUSTICE ON HIS SIDE.

    Aayi baath samjh mein?

    engrich Reply:

    forget shenoy and his hunting.they are parrots of sangh parivar.i consider them nothing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    my post has been “flagged” for review not for the language I have used, but for the suggestion it implied as it pertained to Barkhga Dutt’s anatomy.

    Compared to the obscenity you have posted on Zia’s blog today about prophet Mohammed and his nine year old wife, my post was the most civilised and would even have elicited a smile from Barkha herself.

    engrich Reply:

    can u ot avoid it.i avoid to write that krishna used to fk his neighbours wife called radha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich, the Jihadi pig,

    you may write that Krishna slept with Radha and wives of all the other neighbours of his, for all I care. It wouldn’t be any worse than the other rou

    engrich Reply:

    he was neighbours wife.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Given the plonker that you are , you ascribed to me something that was written by Salih Bukhari 1000yrs ago. However your crocodile tears for islam is a welcome change

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    if Bukhari wrote some non-sense a thousand year ago, do you have to repeat the unprintable obscenities on Zia’s blog?

    Now let me tell you what happened here in Bangalore a few years ago.

    TJS George, a very honourable, veteran editor of Indian Express, quoted, in an article, just one sentence from Dante which said that Dante met Islamic prophet Mohammed in hell.

    Literally, all hell broke on the indian Express and its office was burnt down, forcing the paper to apologise.

    Here, you have done much worse than most Islamophobes. So don’t you try to mollycoddle the engriches, Shaan Nirad Babu!

    engrich Reply:

    yeh asar hai balwinder bhai kee jootekari ka.

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    engrich Reply:

    what a filthy narration of stupidity by a foolish bengalee.who talks of modernity and worship revivalist vivekanand.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay-
    You discussed the inadequacy of Delhi airport, and the politics of “who gets the credit”.

    I was in US during the Christmas/new year weeks; had an opportunity to fly to Denver and San Francisco. Both are excellent airports, owned and operated by the respective cities. My friends told me all airports in US are owned by the cities in which they operate.

    This model makes a lot of sense. Especially less corruption, responsive development etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In UK , MAJOR airports are under a consortium called BRITISH AIRPORT AUTHORITY , it is not only PRVATE LIMITED COMPANY WITH SHARE HOLDERS,AND STOCK MARKET LISTING but recently has been acquired by a SPANISH COMAPANY.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb

    India already has the IAAI– the International ariports authoirty of India.

    However to have or not to have an airport is a political decison. The Airport at Greater Noida is badly needed as the Delhi airport is badly stretched, despite the T3. A second aiport in conjunction to the Delhi ariport will add to tourism traffic as well as cargo and freight utility.

    Unfortunately the Congress has made it a prestige thing not to allow it, even though many private companies are willing to contruct it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    We should not have a “federal govt approval” process for airports (and many other things). I think a system like in the US will do a lot of good – ie if Delhi goes about building an airport if the traffic requires a second one – obviously there should be regulatory approvals (environmental, air traffic etc) – no central airport authority, no central approvals.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think that is the right approach.

    Out here it is more political. If you aqre in the good books of he centre it wold happen. In case the NDA had regained power in 2004, the greater Noida international airport would have been a reality.

    After all it was the BJP government in UP which had concieved it in 2001. But now we have to wait for the day when the Centre and state governments are in love with each other.

    engrich Reply:

    in up mulayam is leading followed by maya,rahul jee,then bjp.days ofbjp are over.

    THAKUR BANIA AUR NANG
    INSE MILKAR BANEE JANSANGH.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If UK is letting the British Airpot authority go inot Spanish hands it would just mean another British institution is out of their control.

    You should be happy that Bong Subroto Roy Sahara, known for crony cpitalism in India is now taking over Mariott chian of UK.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is also known as CONFIDENCE, VODAFONE had also bought out Hutchinson Essar , for couple of billion pounds. Piramal’s generic drug manufacturing unit has been bought by an american company. THE PROBLEM IS THERE AINT MANY INDIAN COMPANIES WORTH BUYING
    I wouldn’t put my money buying Videocon or Godrej or any of the textile mills . JUST NAME ONE (one will do) INDIAN COMPANY WHICH IS OEM(that stands for original equipment maker)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think companies buy companies just for technology. They buy them for their existing customer base and for killing competition also. Coke bought out Thums up. Pepsi purchased Campa cola. Infosys and Wipro have pourchased so many…

  • Anonymous

    again , given your background , bank manage er, and garment factory owner , it is perhaps too much to ask for you know the position BUKHARI in islamic cannon.
    He is DON CORLIONE of Islam , thus engrich didn’t refute a single word I posted

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    engrich Reply:

    i refute everything.this is all bullshit.all ur knowledge is superficialsahi bukhari which u are writing is written in america not by bukhari.moreover hadith is not holy scripture.

    Ibn al-Salah said in his Muqaddimah: “It has been narrated to us that Bukhari has said, ‘I have not included in the book al-Jami’ other than what is authentic and I did not include other authentic hadith for the sake of brevity.’”[3] In addition, al-Dhahabi said, “Bukhari was heard saying, ‘I have memorized one hundred thousand authentic hadith and two hundred thousand which are less than authentic.’”[11]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    your background is as good or as bad as mine vis-a-vis Muslims and Islam.

    At least I have had the pleasure and experience of living in the midst of Muslims for the last six decades and worked with many of them for the last three decades.

    I do not dispute the authenticity of your quotes of Bukhari.
    What I objected to was their appropriateness.

    But, on a reconsideration of the reasons for your quoting Bukhari, I would say you gave a fitting reply toMia-ul-Fuq.

    I hope you can discern the outlines of my white flag.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ THE GR8 AIRPORT DEBATE ~~Last chapter ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    I did not want to write this chapter even if I did, wanted to keep it hidden.

    As per the new thinking, after 9/11, it is important that big airports are at a distance from the city out of terror considerations. The lower population densities would result in lower casualities in case of terror strikes. Even if there is an attempt like 9/11, it would be easier to control t outside the capital.

    Even prior to 9/11. city airports were reasons for noise pollution and possible accident risks.

    But then the current chotta baba, chotti budhi would not weigh all this… becasue of a lack of grey cells….

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  • Anonymous

    After a long time I travelled by train in India, from Bombay to Gandhidham, a 15 hours journey. I was pleasantly surprised as things have improved since I travelled on the same
    ruote about 11years back. Left exactly on time and reached on time. Clean compartment,
    clean toilets. Bed sheets, blankets and napkins provided were fresh and were not smelling.

    Twice during the journey whole compartment was sweeped and toilets disinfected. Indian railway has improved a lot in last few years. Overall a good experience.

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  • subhash

    UNDERSTANDING IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH POLITICAL ARROGANCE.
    ACCOUNTABILITY,RESPONSIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY IS LACKING.THE BIGGEST VICTIM IS THE PERFORMANCE . WHAT IS THE PERFORMANCE OF POLITICAL CLASS, IN AND OUT OF THE PARLIAMENT AND THE POLICE FORCE,THE PRESENT CASE IS ENOUGH TO MAGNIFY ALL………PERFORMANCE,RESPONSIBILITY,ACCOUNTABILITY & TRANSPARENCY!

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    Dear blogger,why beat about the bush? There is a crisis of credible leadership.American press probably knows our leaders better,when they call pathetic figure or sonia’s puddle to our top leader.
    Could you tell,why you made your own kid to face same fate ,what you had faced 30 yrs ago, in delhi university.
    Do you realize your own contribution to this state of affair?why not oppose things bluntly but honestly withou fear.
    I always believe man doesnot live by bread alone.TIME OF NICETIES IS gone. THEEK HAI!

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  • Har Gobind Bhukkal

    Sab Theek Hai as says the Queen Maino’s Puppet. Protests have been diluted by the CONgross strategist. They have ruled this country for 65 years or so and they know how to take the gullible Indians for ride over and again.

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