What’s cooking between Mulayam and ND Tiwari?



Of late the national president of the Samajwadi Party Mulayam Singh Yadav has been hobnobbing with Congress patriarch Narain Dutt Tiwari, whose immense wisdom and wit have got overshadowed by all the bad things in the recent past.

People talk more about the paternity test than his vision for the development of the country and knowledge of global economy. The time when people in UP were not even looking at their neighbouring states to take lessons in development, Tiwari was talking about China.

The fact is people of Uttar Pradesh and its sibling state Uttarakhand majorly owe the development of their states to him. The last when a chief minister spoke about roads and villages was Tiwari. Thereafter Mandal and Mandir took the centre-stage.

But why has Mulayam found sudden love for Tiwari at the time when he is developing relations with the Congress? I doubt if his overtures to Tiwari would go down well with the Congress high command.

One can understand Mulayam taking help from Tiwari while drawing a blueprint of the state’s industrialisation. His son and chief minister Akhilesh has dreams of developing UP into an industrial and IT hub but certainly lacks the experience Tiwari had.

But can Tiwari at the age of 88 help him politically?

The common presumption driven from their handshake is that Mulayam is trying to woo Brahmins for the 2014 polls. After Janeshwar Mishra’s death the Samajwadi Party has no prominent Brahmin face to project.

This is appalling. Are we puppets? Would Brahmin support the SP because Tiwari says Mulayam should be Prime Minister or because they believe in the leadership of the backward leader and that he can deliver? Are we just vote banks or human beings with some intelligence?

Nonetheless Tiwari has been received warmly in Lucknow with the paternity test failing to cast any shadow. He has been surprising people with his memory though he is obviously not in a very good shape. Let’s see how much their hug would pay political dividends in the elections.

I mentioned about his wit. I will end my blog citing a case involving a senior scribe.

A senior journalist had published the interview of the chief minister Tiwari in his paper. A few days later, when he happened to meet Tiwari with other colleagues, he warmly embraced him and said, ‘What a great interview you published in the paper? It would have been better had you met me before writing it.” Just compare it with the ruckus the politicians would have created today.

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  • Anonymous

    Whnat is Pakistan? Is it even a country? Why would Vinod equate the democracies of both coutries?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi, what is Pakistan, if it is not a country.

    I know that you know that Pakistan is a member of United Nations. So it is a country.

    Are you being profound here or merely profoundly insane.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is a country and our neighbour – whether we like or approve of it or not and what goes on there. One only wishes that the things could have been better there and we could live as good neighbours

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    Anonymous Reply:

    wish, alas, is not a strategy..
    time to get them out of our mental frame, fortify borders, and go on with our lives..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    100% agree with you. Get them out of our heart, mind or
    any part of our body we feel even their minutest presence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    if wishes were horses, jihadis would become peace ambassadors.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I do not think most Indians(*) are too much preoccupied with Pakistan and are getting on with our lives. Our borders are much more fortified – most of it is fortified and is work-in-progress.

    * There are exceptions, even some here – who want to exterminate the country and do not want peace. See a prime example of this below – a hate mongering hawk, who not only hates Pakistanis, but minorities everywhere and all those who do not sing his ideology. Not a day passes here, without he venting his anger and abuse.

    Pankaj Reply:

    Gopi;
    You are right. Pakistan is not a country in a conventional sense. It resembles a Chimera and in effect chasing a mirage of destroying India. It should be defanged and shown its true place in the comity of nations. It is hard to believe the toxic nature of their upbringing unless you interact with them. For coming 2-3 generations, I do not believe that they will improve. May be reality will modify them in due course of time but that will be a very painful modification for them as even after vivisection, thay have not changed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    There is no chance of improving till they take a complete u turn.
    The biggest problem is their education, which Zia Al Haq introduced
    during his tenure. Whole world saw the result of that when young students — the future of the country — came out in suport of the killer of Mr. Salman Taseer. Seeing that even the bitterest enemy of Pakistan would have felt sad for that nation.
    Pakistani childeren are being brainwashed by this hate filled education.

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    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    The intensity of hatred which the Pakistanis harbour for Indians is directly in proportion to the hatred that the RSS harbours for Indian Muslims – the BJP warns of a civil war if the backwards of the Indian Muslims are given 4.5% reservations out of the 27% for the OBCs!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Abu

    Interesting you say that.

    However, I am of the opinion – wrongly as it may be – that most Pakistani’s are not even aware of the RSS, so can they intutively calculate proportionality.

    Abu Ahmed Reply:

    I give due credit to Pakistanis – they hate all Indians regardless of caste and creed with the same unwavering intensity!

    Ravi Reply:

    Abu

    I can believe that, but that does not answer my question about proportionality.

    Perhaps I am being needlessly pedantic.

    Fasihson Reply:

    Partition has to be based on hatred – and it suited both Muslim League and the Hindu Mahasabha, RSS – if Pakistanis don’t hate Indians, then why are they creating trouble in Kashmir & Punjab? Only Maulana Azad had the vision to be firm against the Partition of India – one can call him the best Indian Secularist or the worst communalist for believing that Muslims have a better chance of survival and development if they keep India united, instead of demanding Pakistan – as till 1857 there were no communal riots in India which were a creation of the british to crush the Indians’ strength.

    Ravi Reply:

    Where the British left the COMMUNAL POLITICS, the RSS picked it up.

    The rest I agree with.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abu Ahmed,
    you are contradicting another Pakistani jihadi, engrich, who says Pakistanis love Indians, particularly Hindus!

    You are also contradicting the other jihadi, fake Ravi, though only marginally.

    Pankaj Reply:

    Abu Ahmed;
    Good that you raised this point. You mean, Pakistan’s education of hate started from last week or so? Dear, think deeply, this thing started as early as english conquest of India, dethroning of Muslim empire. As a successful empirical power, they supported hindus vis a vis muslims, who had just lost the power and prestige. This generation of enimosity,which muslim elite had for Johny come late, was lying beneath the surface for long time, got full expression, when Pakistan was created. It is the idea of Pakistan, which I dislike and not Pakistanis. This feeling of superiority, inherent right to rule the world as chosen people, though myth only, is believed by most devouts. Had India and/or hindus been bigots, muslims would not have prospered in India. Hate has not spared even Shia, Ahmedis and some other ethinicities. This culture of hate, which I am against. RSS is no where in equation and it is a minor player in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abu Ahmed.

    Whether it is proportional or not, I do not know. These hate-mongers on both sides need each other as a fodder to keep the fire of hatred burning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome abu bhai

    I wish to cross swords with you on this. All muslims should not ask for reservations as the net conclusion people wlll draw is that there is somehting wrong with islam. have Jains, Christians and Sikhs asked for relgious reservations?

    The correct way would be to identify the backward classes amongst Muslims who should be given aid. By the way no country except the most fundamantalist ones have religious reserrvations.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji, Mohan,

    The congressie troll wants you to believe that since Pakistan is our neighbour, whatever happens there is none of our concern and so let us go to sleep.

    we don’t have any problems (except our border dispute) with China. Has it, therefore, gone to sleep? It is wide awake at the border, inside the border (on our side) and even working overtime to arm all the terrorists, shelter and nurture them, create havoc through the Naxalites and their supporters etc.

    Therefore, we should ask these trolls to go to sleep and if possible hybernate for a few years till some wise people strategise and take immediate and long term steps to put our problem neighbour to sleep. Permanently.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right Gopi. It is just a collection of people killing each other and then sending terrorists to the rest fo the world.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    1) The Pakistani Armed forces perhaps have learnt a lesson and not necessarily keen to get into the business of running an impossible country, make a mess and in the process end with brickbats. Also why bother, when they wield influence without the need for the General to become the President or Chief Executive.

    2) Also less said about the Team Anna the better. They are keeping up with their intransigent posture on the false premise that even ceding an inch would mean defeat. Not letting the Parliament to debate and come up with a bill, only shows their contempt for the Constitution and the processes of Parliamentary democracy.

    I have always maintained
    a) their real agenda is something else
    b) they are bunch of megalomaniacs
    c) next time they decide to take up an ‘issue’ with the ‘declared’ objective of cleansing the system, they will be not be taken seriously.

    Here is an interesting statistic.

    Gandhiji fasted 5 times in his entire political career spanning decades to protest against violence and in support of peace between various sections. Here we have a ’self appointed’ Gandhian who has gone on fast 3 times already in a span 9 months preceded by threats to do so. He has surely demeaned the instrument of fast to make a point. Some Gandhian.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    My support is for team Anna. This parliament cannot be trusted. Anna broke his fast in August only after parliament promised the nation that they will come
    up with a strong lokpal, in which they had agreed to add certain points which
    team Anna had suggested. Now they have gone back on that promise.
    This promise was not made to team Anna only but to the whole nation.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Care to elaborate as to why T H I S parliament can not be trusted.

    Who has been acting in such a manner that you have lost trust in the Parliament of India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I have mentioned that in my post. They had promised to add
    certain points which team Anna had suggest, on which they have gone back now, that is why the agitation by Anna
    tommorow. The points were inclusion of CBI and citizen’s
    charter should be part of Lokpal.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    So let me understand what you mean here.

    1. You do not trust an ELECTED Parliament.
    2. You instead trust a street agitation group

    If that is true, then Indian democracy must be really ill.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I cannot stop you from your way of thinking, similarily you cannot stop me from what I
    think of the current parliament.
    You think that Indian democracy must be ill,
    where as I think that Indian democracy is
    very strong because we the common people
    are able to force parliament to bring the law
    which they were avoiding since last four decades.
    Conclusion — we agree to disagree.

    Ravi Reply:

    Except, the Parliament was elected by the people of India.

    That is our system and having no faith in it is a fundamental disagreement – not with me – but with the Indian political system.

    I would’nt dream of trying to change your way of thinking, that is what defines you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Yes parliament is elected by us. That does not mean that everytime we have grievances we wait for five years to vote them out. We expect them to
    bring in good laws which should be beneficial to the common people .

    Ravi Reply:

    Sadly, the very system which allows us to elect MPs also states that they are there for 5 years.

    Anything else would lead to chaos and I am sure that is not what you want, however much you may hate Congress

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Did I say anything about congress? I said current parliament, though congress and its allies enjoy the majority .

    Ravi Reply:

    You did not have to say it.

    I can read between the lines faster than you are able to draw them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    While discussing I don’t believe in scoring points. If you feel superior by
    Posting a witty line then I don’t have anything to say. Good luck to you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My questions remain the same.
    1) Who is Anna to demand that the Parliament be subservient to the Team Anna alone? Who has given them the authority to act on my and everybody else’s behalf? The supporters of Anna on this blog have never ever answered these questions.

    2) One must remember that we are 120 crores in number and 9 to 10 ’self appointed’ guardians cannot decide the fate and policies of the country and that too at Jantar Mantar, Ramlila Grounds, BKC Complex or on the Streets. Ths bunch is no diffferent from Bal Thakres, Mullah Omars or Ayotollahs and other lumpen elements.

    If you allow such extra-constitutional entities to have a field day is a sure invitation to anarchy. Bloody bunch of megalomaniacs that includes Anna himself.

    3) If you do not trust the MPs, whom we choose in the first place, who do you repose their trust in, in spite of the fact many undesirables get elected in the august house – the blame is on us collectively.

    4) Whatever was the sense of the house resolution (not binding, and you may call them names for not adhering to it, thats about it), only the MPs can decide what form the bill takes place. If it is not what Anna is expecting, then 1) approach the Supreme Court 2) next time encourage people to elect a complete new set of MPs, who will do their bidding 3) better, let them form a political party, fight elections, get a 2/3rd majority and then they can play havoc with the system.

    There is no other alternative.

    BTW, look at the irony. Like in Delhi, the orgainisers in Bombay have made arrangements for food at the venue for those not fasting – 1) insulting the person fasting 2) shows how much people really ‘care’ for Anna and his team and their “noble’ goal. To me, it is a ploy (a sort of bribery) to get people to the venue to show “massive” support for their movement – won’t you agree?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Like others you are also asking them to fight election.
    If in a government hospital I do not get proper medication, I should
    Try to become dean of that hospital. If I do not get my water connection
    I should ask my son to join that department. If I do not not get my
    Bpl card, I ask my daughter to become tehsildar.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    This is only slightly short of petulance.

    No one can become a Dean of a hospital or a thesildar without proper qualifications.

    Most adults qualify to be parliamentarians.

    Your comparison does not hold any water at all.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Now, now, what have we here.

    If you do not get the desired services, there are number of lawful avenues available to set these deficiencies right.

    Peaceful protests are legitimate instruments, but You do not form a gang of people and start threatening, abusing the staff/institution(*), do my way or else.

    if one thinks (as Team Anna imagines) that he/she knows best, surely become the dean / head the water supply department / become a tehsildar, after qualifying and getting experience. That is the gist and in the same vein – if Team Anna imagines that they know best, let them qualify (i.e. get elected to the Parliament) and set things right.

    The only remedy available in case Parliament fails to deliver services to the people, is to get a new set of people elected the next time around. That is what I have already said above, as one of the options..

    * There are so many instances where the relatives/friends of the patient have gone berserk damaging hospital property and physically assaulting the hospital staff. Do you approve of this barbarism?

    Vishal Kale Reply:

    Good Point!

    I applied for a marriage certificate one year ago. One year later, no one has even visited my home for verification! I went to the local police station – no result. So as per Manohar_T and Vinod Sharmaji, I should become an IAS for this!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Or marry again and apply again!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    What has happened to Vishal, I wish if it had happend with me, I would have a followed your advice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    JUST DO IT

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    I really love your reposte to this stupid postulations of the congressie troll.

    when Mahatma Gandhi fasted, did the British government ask him to do that? Or did he wait for the ‘farman’ from King George?

    Did Mahatma Gandhi ask people when to stop his various fasts?

    If Gandhiji fasted four times in his life, does it bar Anna from going on fast ‘n’ number of times?

    If the government and its PM ask Anna to give up his fast and promise to bring a law incorporating all the major demands of the civil society and then go back on their word expressed in a vaguely couched “sense of the house” resolution, should Anna wind up the agitation against corruption and go back to his village?

    Stupidity ki bhi koi hadd hoti hai!!!!!!!!

    Vishal Kale Reply:

    Dear Manohar_T,
    I have read with considerable interest this discourse. My view is with Mr Mohan. You say trust this parliament, they are elected by us. Fine by me… but then you have to look at their track record. What has any parliament done over the past several decades? Especially against corruption? Precisely nothing.

    Second, look at the criminal records of our elected representatives

    Third, look at their vote-share and total voting percentage. Why are more and more people abstaining from the vote? Why is the Indian getting disillusioned by the state?

    Fourth, Who said parliament is supreme? Read about democracy – of, for and by the people. The people are supreme. And, the clincher – before Annaji, who was so vocal? No one, that is who. You and me were busy in our own lives without a care for the Nation. We were content doing armchair discussions without taking any concrete steps.

    Fifth, how do you change the current scenario? By leaving it to the elected parliament? We have done that for the past innumerable years. To bring a body out of Inertia you need an external stimulus, an external vector. Annaji is providing that vector- because you and me, the people – have done nothing.

    Sixth, what about accountability? Your and Vinod Sharma’s method leaves no accountability upon the parliament. The eye-wash of the election, where 60% votes are polled and a central government can be elected with 18% votes (out of total 120 crores, wherein simple vote bank politics can ensure victory- is simply not enough. Had it been enough, we would not be discussing this now.

    Seventh, At least Team Anna Hazare has brought this issue center-stage. For it to remain center-stage, continuous pressure needs to be created upon parliament. Without that pressure, this will devolve and become an exercise in futility. As a perfect example – the AMRI incident is already out of public reckoning, and people have moved on. Uphaar etc several such incidents happened, and removal of pressure lead to repeated occurrences.

    And Eigth, Corruption is a social disease. You cannot have corruption without the willing cognizance of a citizen prepared to pay a bribe. Parliament alone can never ring in social change. Social Change will require a consistent long term effort – as evidenced by history. Team Anna Hazare is keeping the agenda center-stage which might just act as the catalyst of Change. Kudos to them

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vishal,

    Agree with you. You have put your points in a
    very nice way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vishal

    Good to read your points of view.

    The country in its wisdom has adopted a certain model of governance. We have a Constitution, which in my opinion is one of the finest documents ever written. Hats off to our founding fathers.

    No one, at least not me, has ever claimed that we are a perfect democracy, it is work-in-progress. However, it is the best model, given the diversity of our country. If you have a better model in mind, please go ahead and elaborate,I would love to hear that.

    If there are any shortcomings (there are in plenty), the solutions have to be found from within.

    I do not agree with you that Parliament has done nothing. It has over the years has debated and legislated very fine bills and acts encompassing most aspects of our lives. The problem has been in their implementation. I out rightly reject the phrase – precisely nothing.

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    2) “look at the criminal records of our elected representatives”.

    May I ask who elected these people with criminal records as our elected representatives?
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    3) Your point about vote share and percentages. That is precisely the reason that we do not have “good” representatives. If people do not care and do not exercise their right to vote, the fault lies is with the people. Why don’t the people (like you for example, I suppose) who are ‘fed up’ with our representatives take the trouble once in 5 years to go and stand in a line and exercise their right to vote to make sure good people are sent to the legislatures, instead of sitting at home or going out on picnics and then become armchair critics (the easiest thing inthe world to do)? Is it too much to ask?

    4) People are supreme, No question about that. Then look at the system how it works. We 120 crores cannot enact laws and run the country from the streets, Jantar Mantar, BKC. We the people collectively elect our representatives to the Parliament and other legislative bodies to act on our behalf. It is like giving a power of attorney to them for 5 years. With this one step Parliament becomes supreme and every organ and institution of the country is answerable to the Parliament. Then the people do not have the right to enact laws on the streets, as Anna and his gang are attempting to do. No parliament – nothing. To cite an oft repeated example – it is like shareholders of a company appointing Board of Directors to run the company. If the shareholders do not approve of the directors – they can get a new set. The Prime Minister is akin to the Chief Executive, answerable to the Parliament.

    Do not go by the most ludicrous statements of 2011.
    ** Anna is above parliament – courtesy Arvind Kejriwal.
    ** Anna is India and India is Anna – courtesy Kiran Bedi.

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    5) “How do you change the current scenario”?

    I am not sure for how long you have been following the debates on this blog. I have in previous blogs have listed measures in which in my opinion will be more effective and help overcome shortcomings and make the system more responsive to the people’s aspirations.

    (see the next post, where I reproduced the a response to a blogger).

    The system has to be cured and put back in pink of health from within.

    6) Accountability. Are you serious?

    The MPs have to come back every 5 years to the people to give account for their deeds and misdeeds. If the people send the same people back, do not blame the MPs and the parliament.

    Again you talk of percentages of number of people voting. See point no 3 above.

    If you do not have faith in the electoral system, sorry no one can help you. As I asked, if you have better system, please elaborate, no point only crying and not finding solutions. IMO, this Lokpal is bad business and will be a white elephant.

    7) True. Anna and his gang have put
    the issue of tackling corruption on fast track. Thats about it. However, they have lost a lot of goodwill and credibility the way they have conducted themselves. For example, threatening the Government / Parliament is threatening the rest of the citizens of this country. What gives.
    8) Corruption is a social disease and is as old as the mankind, unless you were to beleive a certain sections of the people (some of them are on this blog too) , who are convinced that corruption started when Pandit Nehru became the Prime Minister and is being carried by his descendants.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vishal

    AB had written some blogs back.

    “Can you outline a plan to reduce corruption – starting with say, a Step 1. Use the management measure of SMART – Specific, Measurable, Actionable, Time bound. I will become your follower and wont even call you a megalomaniac :) Awaiting your solution (no debates; only action)”.

    I have articulated these some months ago here on this very blog.

    1) State funding of Election Expenses of the candidates (will have to work out a system to keep the non-serious ones out – a matter of detail). This is the most important thing to be done. IMO, non-funding is the biggest cause of corruption.

    2) Setting up National Police Commissions and State Police Commissions – to prevent political interference in their functioning. IIRC, an act has been passed, yet many states have not set them up or have made them toothless.

    3) A law to bar candidates against whom court(s) have filed charge-sheets. Mere FIRs and police complaints will not suffice.

    4) Total revamp of justice system – which has almost collapsed – by having more courts and judges. Today, a trial takes ages, many an alleged criminal/wrongdoer roams about freely and goes to the grave or to the funeral pyre without ever been convicted or absolved. Justice delayed is criminal.

    Politicians like Sukhram and Shahabuddin are exceptions. Sanjay Dutt was convicted and was to spend about 4 to 5 years in jail. Soon he got bail -pending his appeal in the Supreme Court. That was ages ago and God alone knows when his case will come up for hearing – in the meantime he is roaming free. The system has to decide one way or the other on his guilt. However, remember in most cases, bail is a matter of right,

    Trials must be time-bound and not allowed to drag on for decades.

    5) Rework the provisions of immunity enjoyed by our elected representatives and the bureaucrats. No discretionary powers to the authorities. One has to take care of frivolous charges.

    6) Appointments to the Government service on short term basis say 8 to 10 years at a time and not permanent until retirement, so that undesirable (corrupt) elements can be weeded out at regular intervals. You must be aware, now it is almost impossible to dismiss a government servant., however corrupt.

    7) Decentralise powers at the District, Taluka, Municipal and Panchayat levels.
    8) We collectively also have to do our bit too

    a) are we ready to stop giving speed money to break the queues and resort to shortcuts or bribe the traffic cop to let you go cheaply.?

    b) not vote for candidates with suspect credentials.

    In this regard, RTI Act should be made more use of.

    Yesterday, the Cabinet approved among others the Grievances Redressal Bill to tackle corruption at the lower levels and ensuring time-bound public service and now it is for the Parliament to take a call on it. Hopefully, this will help in curbing corruption where it hurts most to the common man directly on daily basis.

    9) Amend and tweak a number of existing laws.

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    These are some of the measures which I believe that will help in reducing corruption. Perhaps you have more or better or alternate measures than I have listed. You can elaborate.

    PS: Lokpal is a dream (or magic wand, if you like) being ‘peddled’ by Anna and his gang without telling the people the cost the country will have to pay.

    IMO, this Lokpal is an excuse, this gang real intentions are something else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    They have not gone back on promise
    1) Parliament will start debating it tomorrow onwards. Let us wait and see. The BJP is going to move 37 amendments.
    .
    2) What is strong or weak, that is prerogative of the Parliament and not Anna’s and his gang.

    3) Who is Anna and who had told him to fast – the Government or the Parliament? He goes on fast on his own and after 10 days decides to end it.

    BTW: there is a new nautanki in town. Relay fast in Delhi from 10 AM to 6PM on 27th. What is this? A matinee show followed by the afternoon show? After 6PM, will they all go home and have their sun downers.

    Another one, over one lac (out of 120 crores) have registered for ‘jail bharo andolan’ – big deal. Have they checked as who are these people.? Are there any volunteers from Austin, Texas, USA, for example. The main question, how many will actually be ready to get arrested?

    For which ‘crime’ are they expecting to be arrested or are they planning to break some law or will they simply go to the police and demand to be arrested ? What happens, if the police do not co-operate and they are not going to?

    Mohan, Team Anna has really lost credibility precisely because of these nautankis.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I believe that the Pakistan Civilian Govt – as per some latest analysis – is trying to create an atmosphere which will allow them to sack both Kayani and Pasha.

    Once that happens then the doors will be open to reduce the influence of the PAK Military and to give democracy a real chance.

    How the PAK military might counter this move, remains to be seen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That will be only the first step, if at all that happens.

    Next would be bigger task – detoxify the people, who are fed anti-Indian propaganda the moment they can read and write,and is going on since ages.

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  • Anonymous

    @vinod Sharma , what you write shows the shallowness of your approach. Even on the surface THERE IS NO SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE SITUATION IN INDIA AND PAKISTAN. For pakistan’s elected bodies IT IS AN EXISTENTIAL QUESTION , literally.Remember Gilani suggested that zardari fled to dubai for treatment, for Army could not be trusted . IN CASE OF PAKISTAN IT IS A GREAT GEOSTRATEGIC TUG OF WAR GOING ON.I will elaborate later. In case of India we have a WIMP PRIME MINISTER, who cannot act decisively, left it to me I WOULD PACK ANNA AND CO UNDER PUBLIC DISORDER ACT . THE MEDIA IS FEEDING LIKE A VULTURE , FOR THIS IS AN EXCLUSIVE MIDDLE CLASS FRUSTRATION/ENVY RELEASING SHOW.As you know ADVERTISING REVENUES of the TV CHANNELS depends on KEEPING MIDDLE CLASS GLUED TO THE IDIOT BOX, so the media will keep on FLAMING THE FIRE for the advertising revenues.

    Now Pakistan. IT IS THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE GLOBO COP (USA) THAT KAYANI AND SHUZA IS PLAYING A DANGEROUS GAME, TRYING TO TURN PAKISTAN INTO A NORTH KOREA.They have suggested that kayani and shuza be sacked, FOR SO LONG THEY ARE AT THE HELM , JIHAD WILL CONTINUE.

    In fact take ARMY out the equation ALL PROBLEMS IN THE SUBCONTINENT INCLUDING AFGANISTAN IS SOLVED. But how to cage the DEVIL.
    Pankaj and Gopi had shown Balwinder’s level of intellect when commenting on pakistan and pakistanis.
    MY READING ON PAKISTAN AND PAKISTANIS.
    The pathans are VERY PRO INDIAN , infact they are aware THEY WERE BUDDHIST BEFORE BECOMING MUSLIM.
    Baluch , we know how they fighting to seccede
    SINDHIS FEEL OPPRESSED BY PUNJABIS, BIbi writes in her autobiography THEY WERE KAYASTH SIX GENERATION AGO.
    Most pakistanis in their heart of heart know THEY WERE HINDUS and in punjab THE CASTE SYSTEM IS ALIVE AND KICKING WELL AMONGST PUNJABIS IN PAKISTAN.

    THERE IS HOWEVER A MULLAH/ARMY CORE WHO IS VICIOUSLY ANTI INDIAN

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Shan;
    Thanks for comparison. I am elated.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are elated
    Fake Ravi is deflated
    congressie troll’s eyes have dilated
    engrich has ejaculated
    on the post of cingulated.

    the rest of us are delighted, though belated..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    the rest of us are delighted, though belated
    And guess which one from konkan Farted

    engrich Reply:

    shan everybody is fighting for his interest.pathans of pakistan are most practising lot.there is budhdhdist or non budhdhist feeling.pathans converted
    after listening about islam.not even missionaries ever went there.roots of islam is most powerful there.
    zardari and geelani are playing their card in most intellegent way.i will they will be ultimate winner of this war.

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    engrich Reply:

    THERE IS HOWEVER A MULLAH/ARMY CORE WHO IS VICIOUSLY ANTI INDIAN
    there is no mullah army.yes army is anti-indian.that is how they get importance.general people of pakistan are pro-indian.yes.because there is no rss type party in pakistan,whose only aim is to brainwash common educated hindu with history full of lies and hate.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Oh yes there are.

    Jaish-e-Muhamad, and LeT just to name two.

    Both, anti Hindu and anti India parties exist in Pakistan

    Sad part is that Pakistan defines itself with reference to Hinduism and India.

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    engrich Reply:

    Both, anti Hindu and anti India parties exist in Pakistan

    they are not anti-hindu,they may be anti-india.both of them never killed any hindu in pakistan.hindu were benefiaries of their charity organizations.

    actuall hindus demonstrated in front uno offices when musharraf banned them and their charities.

    Ravi Reply:

    Now Ram Autar

    Lakhs of Hindus in Pakistan have been converted to Islam under duress.

    Many have been killed including 4 Hindu Doctors as recently as earlier this year.

    In Tribal areas many Hindus have been murdered for being nothing less and nothing more than Hindus.

    This is not propaganda this is reality.

    Now one may argue that these religious thugs are not true representatives of the Pakistan Society that I will agree with.

    engrich Reply:

    Lakhs of Hindus in Pakistan have been converted to Islam under duress

    i never heard of this.can u give me the source.actually population of christians in pakistan has increased considerably.population of hindus have also increased as thousands of hindus and sikhs have come from afghanistan and settled in peshawar.conversion by force has no place in islam.

    political representation of religious thugsin pak parliament is only 7%.while in india it is 32%.

    u go to bbc archive u will learn about hindu dalit demonstration against closing down of let charities.

    in pakistan also high caste hindus exploit dalits.like in india.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Singulate Shaan,

    with this single post, you have set the cat among the jihadi pigeons and the crowing congressie troll.

    I believe that for the harmonious functioning of this blog, you should have refrained from commenting on the Hindu origins of the Pakistani Muslims, thereby validating Subramanyam Swamy’s theory. Now you have rekindled the jihadi spirit in these two fakes posting here as Hindus and the effect is already seen and felt.

    Sindhi Muslims erstwhile Hindu kayasths? what preposterous post!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Sindhis were originally Kayasth ? i dont think so. They are poles apart.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not khapodia , i do not dabble in trivialities.EVERY WORD I WRITE HAS THE BACKING OF SOME REFERNCE.
    When I get hold of the book DAUGHTER OF THE EAST , i will quote the exact page and line about the kayasth origin of Bibi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I did not mean that you are claiming that Sindhis were
    originally Kayasth. I believe it is a preposterous claim by the
    writer who has written this.

  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    Dictionary meaning of ‘odious’ is hateful, distasteful, repugnant etc., etc.

    So when you say ‘comparisons (betwen India and Pakistan) are odious, why indeed did you do it?

    Looking at the subject, are there any comparisons (between the two countries) at all?

    Now, having put the question of Pakistan to rest, let us take up our own polity.

    You say that parliament is supreme. But don’t you agree the same supreme parliament stonewalled the enactment of an anti-corruption law for 42 years?

    Does this supremacy empower you to mislead the nation about its will to bring the bill?

    Does it give the law makers the power to be deceitful (sense of the house)?

    Earlier too, the same ruling party enacted the emergency and put the entire opposition behind bars, arrogated extraordinary powers to itself and rode rough-shod over the constitution itself.

    Does it lie in anybody’s mouth to still claim that parliament is supreme and the people are nothing?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes Parliament – which is by the people – is supreme.

    Street theatre is a direct result of the failure of the opposition.

    BJP is more interested in Rath Yatras than it is in providing any real opposition in the Parliament.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Those who disagree with the fact that Parliament is supreme, should best emigrate to another country, which has no parliament directly elected by the people (North Korea) or where parliament is not supreme (Iran) or wait (and not take part in the electoral process) for Hindu Rashtra, where the sarsanghchaalak of the RSS will be the Ayotolloh, who will be supreme.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This regular chanting of parliament is supreme should stop. Parliament is suppose to work for the common people and not for themselves.

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  • Anonymous

    Great post from an expert and it will be a great knowledge to us and thank you very much for sharing this valuable information with us.

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  • engrich

    mr vinod sharma,
    hazare wants voilence,being agent of international zoinism in india.he will put the demands which cannot be met.most corrupt of society are fighting corruption.zoinists are using same tactics in syria.before in libya.sonia is only indian hope against this serpent.the movement is against indian democracy ,not corruption.

    same they were doing in ram mandir case.but because of lack of support from country side.anna too has no support there.

    internal situation of pakistan is so bad,and support for democracy is so huge that army is not interested to take panga with civilian goverment.but war between institutions cannot be avoided as thieves rulers of pakistan are not ready to compromise on power.i wrote this 3 months back.

    but anna is greates threat to peace of sucontinent.this is zoinist/brhmnst war on people of india and its institutions.

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  • Anonymous

    There was a discussion on Ahmadiyas in the last blog before it was closed out.

    Pakistan is the only country that has declared Ahmadiya “no Muslim” through constitutional changes (Zulfiker Bhutto championed and got this passed in 1974). They cannot attend Muslim mosques, they cannot call Muslim prayers, .. They are eliminated and killed like other non-Muslims such as Hindus, Christians.
    The Nobel laureate Dr Abdus Salam was not only not honoured, but dishonoured. The epitaph on his tomb in Jhang, his birthplace, originally read “The first Muslim Nobel Laureate” .. But the Muslims/court intervened and the word “muslim” was taken out — It reads now “The first ——— Nobel Laureate”.. One would have thought they will at leasrt replace Muslim with Pakistani .”The first Pakistani nobel laureate”..but that was not to be.
    They do not care about their own people because it is a shade below of “pure Islam”…why would they shed tears about a totally foreign India ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Mirza

    I dare not say anything in case your minders come after me.

    As you know they have a habbit of doing just that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I like the word – minders.

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    engrich Reply:

    mahmood abbas the plo chief is qadiani.qadianis were traitors ,british spies who hurt local population a lot to get british favor which made them financially and educationally advance,compare to other section of society

    we believe that prophet mohammed (pbuh)is last messaner of god.u dont agree to this.so u can live as minority,cannot be part of sunni faith.but u have right to live ,preach ur faith,and all other right as pakistani national.

    i honour him and feel pride him,though i am indian.for his contribution in science.debate should continue.some solution will come with time.professor salam was very religious person.al azhar university which was established 1100 years ago,started with shia faith ,later they converted to sunni faith of islam,after 300 years of debating.
    when u say u are muslims.if not today tommorow some place wil be found for u people.bhutto was not practising muslim,why he brought this point.this is evil of democracy.may be on somebody order..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich my friend you are a traitor to India. A traitor to Islam . A traitor to humanity. have a nice day.

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    engrich Reply:

    parvez i consider u an absolute semi-literate idiot.hence dont comment as u are not experience enough to do this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I consider you a duffer, a joker who is spoiling his name on this forum but giving us a lot of opportunites to laugh. If you are from Pakistan as somebody was saying then you are a poor specimen of the ISI.

    engrich Reply:

    go and drink from ur a$$ and fk off from here as are semi-literate idiot.

    Anonymous Reply:

    With this language Engrich… you have proven u r a sex pervert also !

    Anonymous Reply:

    since his mental development is low, his wages too are low. No permanent job with the ISI. Gets paid weekly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    A real howler ! A gem of a comment !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    How can he have a nice day?

    engrich will be singing a duet with fake Ravi:

    hum nafrat mein jalnewalono ko chhain kahaan,

    haaye, aaraam kahaan?

    nafrat ki andhiyaari manzil mein, chaaron ore siyaahi
    aadhi raah mein hi ruk jaaye, iss manzil kaa raahi
    kaanton par chalanevaalon ko, chain kahaan, haaye, aaraam kahaan
    ham nafrat mein jalnevaalon ko………..

    engrich Reply:

    sheoy.i will awnse u later.ur brothers have perpetuated 600 plus communal riots in india.then they were caught planting bombs ,blaming muslims.

    in moradabad riot continued 1 yr.most of trade is captured by pakistanis and koreans.

    this parvez wants to show better muslim by speaking stupidity and non sense.

    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy

    You will pick up your beeeeeen and play the 72 virging and paedo tune and Dr Mishra and Viajy will join in.

    Creating communal tension and rioting is a well known RSS policy. Policy means it engineers riots. It has done so all its life.

    Nafrat karna to koin aap se aur aap ki RSS se seekhae.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right. Here on this blog all one sees from him is abuse and name calling, but then what else one can expect from an …………

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Mirza sahib!

    If you are related to sania, please shake her hand on my behalf– her biggest fan !

    The Pakistani agenda has no place for anyone who doesn’nt fit into their army-mullah-jehadi-foreign aid scheme of things. Anybody who has a different religions is definately killed. From them, we can learn– WHAT NOT TO BE !

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  • Anonymous

    There is a war of words on semantics between two jihadis.

    engrich says Pakistanis love Indians, particularly Hindus.
    His jihadi brother, fake Ravi says ‘no, no, Jaish (who pay me bonus) and LeT (who arrange for my monthly dole in England) are anti-Hindu.

    Engrich says in India, history books have all been wrtitten by RSS and the history is full of lies and distortions. He vehemently asserts that as against Indian history, Pakistani history books represent true history of Pakistan from the time Alexander invaded Pakistan in the year 326 BC.

    Fake Ravi says RSS history is silent on the 5000 rapes, DAILY, of dalit women by high caste Hindus, while the JNU type say it is definitely not 5000, but only 4999, which, after Mayawati took over UP, has come down substantially to 4991 daily, with breaks on Tuesdays.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ravi is right on both counts and you.

    You are a Hindu Fundo, who denies that for the last 3000 years Hinduism has SANCTIFIED the oppression of Dalits.

    SANCTIFIED means it is an integral part of HINDUISM.

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    engrich Reply:

    Engrich says in India, history books have all been wrtitten by RSS and the history is full of lies

    these books were written by britishers to divide indian society.yes they are based on lies and wrong historical facts.

    urangzeb was a great ruler.history has seldom produced such great men.a true fakir.but they demonized through lies.

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  • Anonymous

    We should stop comparing ourselves with Pakistan. It is a doomed kabristan of false dreams based on an agenda of communal hatred.

    If we start thinkoing like them, we are bound to go down a narrow path of sectarian strife and vilence.

    The only way they survive is by posing to be victims, while in reality they are the perpetuators of hate and global terror.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez,

    Regarding your last sentence. Were your referring to Pakistanis or
    our friend Engrich ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well by accident… it means both !

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    engrich Reply:

    idiot parvez pakistan was creation of hindu zoinists.jinnah was provoked to ask for it.they gave it.
    it is wrong to say that they perpetuator of hate.global is due american presence isi and raw both work under cia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean to say Pakistanis and jinnah never asked for Paksitan, but Hindus, Zionists demarcated a land and pushed them there. Fantasitc !!

    You are a posti !! (opium eater) and Mullah nasruddin’s donkey !! Beautiful!

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    engrich Reply:

    call for division came from lala lajpat rai and rss.to divide muslim power.ghandhi too was a big villian of this game.then they created situation condusive to their plan.

    u dont know what is happening because u drink from a$$ not from mouth.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wah Engrich wah! !yeh tumhara ILM bol raha hai… !

    Conspiracy theories galore and once your lie is pointed out shout obscenities like Whskly… gaa – - me lo aur a$$.

    Please get yourself decent education to learn how to talk in a public forum. Such a foul mouthed and dumb fool with a fundamantist agenda !! I think you should commit suicide with Sharam.

    Nobody in this forum talks to you or supports you. can’t you see this?

  • Anonymous

    Pervez,

    Second day of cricket was good for India. Another 200-250 runs from here and we will
    be in a commanding position. Our best bowler Zaheer Khan has found his rhythm
    and I am sure in second inning he will demolish Australian batting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Was certainly good for India. I like Zaheer. but then the poor guy swings between injury to injury… otherwise as good as Kapil

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  • Anonymous

    Muslim job reservations and the views of a Muslim who has no religious biases:

    Abu Ahmed has posted one view on this story of religious reseravtions. I will post mine.

    Why have Sikhs, Christians, jains and Buddhists not asked for job reseravtions? SIMPLY BECASUE THEY HAVE NOT LET FUNDAMANTALISTS HIJACK THEIR EDUCATION SYSTEM….

    These are harsh words and I want to to be blunt here. I have been educated in the nest schools and study in the Delhi Univ– amonsts India’s best university. Nowhere was I dsisccriminated against. Not even in the one year of work I did in an advertising agency. Yes, I hae seen fellow Muslims suffer beacuse they stick to Muslim only schools and colleges. In the end their outlook of life and education quality is inferior. Bluntly. Frankly.

    All this talk of job reservations is vote bank politics. It will make people feel there is somthing wrong with Islam that they need jobs to be reserved. Instead the poorer lots of Muslims whould have been covered under reservation programs.

    We need a vibrant, secualr India. Not a divided India where seperate relegious electorate lead to divisions.

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    engrich Reply:

    muslims in india are descriminated for being muslim.hence minimum 10%reservation should be given to them.reservation is given to backwards dalit and others ,why not to backward muslims.
    hence ur arguments are nothing but full of stupidity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Abu Bhai

    This speciman strangely named Engrich shows how we need to improve as Muslims. Separate jobs… on the basis of religion is the worst thing one can think of. The Congress got it wrong. but this movement is not going to stop here now.

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    engrich Reply:

    when muslims are descriminated for being muslim why not reservation for them.various commitee report has recomended this .

    engrich Reply:

    We need a vibrant, secualr India. Not a divided India where seperate relegious electorate lead to divisions

    division of india was planned by brhmnsts long ago.call to divide india ,first came from rss not from muslim league.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    The Muslim community has been kept under the bondage of vote banks ever since partition. Soon after partition, the community itself, out of a feeling of guilt, mortgaged its future to the congress party because it thought that party would take care of its needs for development.

    But what has followed in the next six decades is blatant exploitation of
    the whole community, without any benefits accruing to it which the Hindus enjoyed. while even the SCs, STs, OBCs all progressed, the Muslim community slipped more and more into a state of siege mentality.

    Those leaders who wanted to tell the community to shed the mood, like Arif Mohammed Khan were thrown into the dustbin.

    Therefore, there is indeed an urgent need to have some kind of a Marshall plan designed for the all round development of the poorer sections of Muslims.

    Since the numbers of poor are huge, reservation of 4-5% is really a joke. The whole of the majority community has to put their heads together to begin the stupendous task immediately.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    A good way would be to start a 1000 central schools in Muslim majority districts WHICH HAVE A CBSE CURRICULAM and have NO reservations on relgious lines…. but fee reduction or waiver for the poor.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Interesting Suggestion.

    Pankaj Reply:

    100% in agreement with you here.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pavez.

    Let me not mince my words. You are wrong. You are plain wrong.

    Now before your minders come after me saying that I am hounding a decent (Hindu look alike) Muslim out of this blog.

    Let me assure you the fact that you are a Muslim does not bother me, it did not bother the University you went to or to the Ad Agency where you did your work placement. BUT IT SEEMS TO BOTHER YOU.

    आदमी को भी मयस्सर नहीं इन्सान होना.

    I am delighted that a combination of your parents economic condition and a very large personal effort on your part has meant that you have been the beneficiary of decent education. That is evident from the style of your writing.

    However, you must acknowledge that not every one (Muslims, Dalits, OBCs and other disadvantaged elements of our society) is in the same position as you and your parents are.

    So the question is what happens to these underprivileged people who do not have either the economic clout nor personal extraordinary motivation. Shall we leave them behind as you build your first flat in Bandra, or shall we be responsible citizens and help those that are clearly in need.

    If your conclusion is, Help Them (of which I have some doubt) then the question remain, HOW. That is where POLITICS comes in. Reservations are a means to channel this HELP, and you seem to be irrationally objecting to it.

    VOTE BANKS

    I believe that I have mentioned this to you once before and happy to do it again.

    Congress indulges in Vote Bank Politics, then so does the BJP, The Democrats, The Republicans, The Labour Party, The Likud Pary, The Flange Party, The Conservative Pary, The Christian Democrats, Etc.

    So I suggest that you have a severe need to re-think your Reservation views not from the Perspective of being a Muslim (who gives a shit about that except you) but from the POV that their are some communities in India which have been systemetically oppressed for thousands of years among them are those who may have become Muslims recently, but are from similar stock and back-ground.

    All religions of the world recognise that society is not equal and that certain sections of it require help. 10% is the amount my religion and many other religions request from the rich so that the poor can be helped.

    Ths is a complex topic and I have not covered ALL aspects of it, just touched the obvious ones.

    I am sorry if this does not come across as an attempt to encourage you, for that you may have to wait for Dr Mishra, Balwinder who will deliver a didactic sermon to you and you are already seem to be wallowing in the patronage of BV Shenoy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Thank you for your reply. I think we all have a right to differ and have differing viewpoints. In my view… THERE IS NO JOB DISCRIMINATION AGAIINST MUSLIMS IN GOVERNMENT JOBS. There is only educational deprivations caused by idiots who have hijacked our community’s brains.

    Consider the following:

    All major exams like CAT JEE , AICTE, PO, All India medical etc etc
    are under an anonymous role number whier the candidates religion or name does not show.

    Similary major job avcenues like IAS, Gazetted jobs, PCS etc are also a role number exam where the candidates religion or name does not show.

    Are you telling me (as Engrich would insist) that the government has a secret formula which deciphers the role number and then forcibly keeps the muslims out?

    No this is never NEVER possible as my father — a doctor– was an examiner when he came back as a med teacher.

    The real problem is illiterates like enrique who force our kids to attend the madrassas where the education is limited and at times just about urdu, koran, hadith. Sometimes if you just read the koran, you are declared literate. You can see it all over UP. That is why the madrassa wala’s dont want madrassas under the RTE.

    Sorry Ravi, you dont know the ground situation In case you wish well for Muslims, ask them to join mainstream schools and compete and learn on equal levels. Right now in many villages the Muslims are told by our fundoo elders that these mainstream schools will corrupt the girls and make the boys drink or convert to Hinduism or christianity.

    See the reality and then give me the answer.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez

    Once again you have imagined what I am TELLING you.

    I am not TELLING you anything, just countering your views with mine.

    As I suggested, just wait and those who TELL will soon join in here and your hunger for an approving sermon will soon be satisfied.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre uncle let the guy be what he is. You are indirectly tellng him to follow Engrich’s and your line otherwise you will call him– ” a decent (Hindu look alike) Muslim out of this blog…”

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    He is free to be what he wants to be, that is the beauty of India.

    He is just waiting for TELLERS like Balwinder and Poisonous Mishri Ki Dali. Shenoy and you have already provided the comfort and acceptance he is seeking.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A very nice reply to people who would want all Muslims to feel discriminated against and unite only on religious lines against the idea of India.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Point well made.

    Pity it is neither based on anything that Parvez said or I said.

    engrich Reply:

    yes reservation is not given to them because of their religion.so it is descrimination.

    engrich Reply:

    The real problem is illiterates like enrique who force our kids to attend the madrassas where the education is limited and at times

    parvez my sons studied in best american and canadian colleges.my elder son has taken admission in american college where mba fees is 64000 dollars.

    so dont speak bullshit.muslims and now even hindus are sending their sons to madarssa only because they are cheap.
    main pupose of madarssa education is to create good being,apart from education.

    indian govermental education is hindu education,it is not secular nationalistic education.that is why poor coservatic class avoid his sons to goverment schools.
    anna hazare is also singing VANDE MATRAM ,a notorious anti-muslim song.there is no muslim or dalit around him as they dont consider us part of india.modi refused to say even sorry to victims of 2002 riots.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you have or not have a problem with reservations for the other disadvantageous sections (backward castes,OBcs, Dalits and others) of our society?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I would like the disadvantaged muslims– from poorer sections– to be covered this way. Not the advantaged ones like me and certainly Not all Muslims.

    You see manohar, by saying that ALL muslims should be covered you are indirectly insulting Islam that we are unfit to compete equally.

    In case Zaheer Khan can bowl the Aussies out… so can any educated Muslim bowl the employing company…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where did I say all Muslims? Please do not attribute incorrect statements to me.

    My contention has always been that reservations should be on the basis of economic condition of the people and not on religious or caste labels.

    I suppose this reservations for Muslims would exclude the creamy layer of the society as in the case of OBCs and others. If not, then it would be a criminal, as the well do will grab the opportunities thus depriving the really deserving ones.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Parvez is confusing PROVOSION with USAGE.

    The National Health – for good or bad – is universally available. Rich people who can afford and want better service are able to avail it from private Hospitals.

    Similarly the GOI has made a provision for the disadvantaged. Parvez and other well able people do not have to take advantage of reservations. They can easily compete at level terms in the open market and leave the reservations for those who are less able than themselves.

    engrich Reply:

    I would like the disadvantaged muslims– from poorer sections– to be covered this way

    90%of muslims cover this.so what is this tur tur.

  • Anonymous

    There is a sea of humanity in Mumbai at the venue of Anna’s fast.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is a link that shows what kind of an education the jihadis like engrich receive in the 9th and 10th grade in the schools. Worth reading:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077658/The-Arabic-textbooks-children-chop-hands-feet-Sharia-law.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Sad reading indeed. Future is being brainwashed.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You mean like BrainWashing that takes place in every RSS Shakha on a daily basis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy and mohan

    it seems Ravi loves the text and loves the vile dieas of barbarism. That is why he is trying to obfuscate by invoking the RSS herre.

    Maybe he will bomb he office of the daily mail as a suicide bomber. Who knows?

    Ravi Reply:

    Keep dreaming

    I will be here countering your Hindu Fundo Propoganda and your communal venom.

    Anonymous Reply:

    why would you compare an actual documented thing to an imaginary futuristic stuff

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Brainwashing in RSS Shakhas is just as real as it is in Madrassas.

    Why is it that you have no problem recognising one and not the other?

    Have a look at this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE9W8g5697M

    While you are there have a look at these peace loving self enlightened folks. Note the two pictures in front of the truck.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzqlZ4AyzoI&feature=related

    Is this a futuristic brain washing, are these not documented. Was the cameraman a shvetalingham.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy has given a page from a recently dated UK newspaper showing text book, schools teaching those books etc. And you are saying the truck with the two pictures is more (or equally) dangerous..
    To each his own!

    Ravi Reply:

    Yes I am.

    The text book is used in less than half a dozen Saudi Funded Madrassas in the UK.

    The RSS – a FASCIST HINDU FUNDO organisation has 50,000 branches in India. Some are also in your own Home State.

    So in case there is any doubt. Yes I equate RSS with Mad Madrassas. They are equally as bad for our humanity.

    The difference is that you consider one as the enemy and the other as a friend.

    For me they are both enemies of our liberal society and they are aiming to change it to their brand of FUNDAMENTALISM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ But you admire the mad fundoo Engrich and applaud his agenda !

    just shows where your heart is.

    Ravi Reply:

    It is not where yours is, that is for sure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know what exactly is happening in my home state and what is happening in india in general; from close quarters with feet on the ground; not a remote observation based in a western beachhead. Muslim League here has 5 miisters, 25 MLAs, several municipality chaitmanships. BJP or RSS does not have any MLA, any muicipality chairmanship..I know how some Muslims have destroyed the harmony of this state – the revelation of Muslim kids fighting in Kashmir, the traimning in Pakistan, the fake currency racket funded by Pakistan using some Muslims of the state –the list goes on, with the recent chopping off the hand off Prof Joseph on the orders of one of the three “sharia” courts in the state. Sitting where i am, I see the emegent and potential Islamic terrorism – especially coupled with the worldwide Jehadism – as a majoe r threat to kerala and Indoia and not some guys marching in kakhi trousers. They can march all thru, it is never going to take any roots here in Kerala. But unfortunately Islamic terrorism has taken root here; and if it can “flourish” here; it will be so easy for it to rise in other northern indian sattes

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Wearing your FUNDO GLASSES, you see what you want to see, from close quarters indeed. I know UK from closer quarters than Shenoy does, but perhaps I do not know SOHO from as close-up as Vijay does.

    Islamic Parties irritate you and the RSS does’nt.

    They both irritate the shite out of me.

    You are partisan

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I am ashamed that some fellow Muslims are collecting around religious lines in forming Islamic parties.

    Are they not enough broadminded secular Muslim leaders who would redirect them to teh Congres, CPM , BJP or any other secular party?

    This is the reason I opposed resevations on religious lines. It is all about creating minority groups.

    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez

    My view is where-ever Hindu Fundamentalism grows, Mulims take refuge in Islamic Parties.

    Recently the RSS has started to grow in Kerala.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi !!

    Beautiful !!

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ A NOTE FROM THE WILDLIFE SANCTUARY ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    hIII AN yAHOO !!

    I am out for an hour till I re-enter into a no smoking zone of rarified air.

    Vinodji

    Unfair to compare the doomed and terrorist state of Paksitan with us… really as Gopi said it is not a country, but a mafia organisartion which extorts money by violence…

    @ Manohar

    Cmon boss. Ab Lok pal aayeaga. Kuch corruption jayega… dont be to sad…

    @ Pankaj

    I’;; definately give you a good script on wildliife. I tooka good shot from a jungle tower which swept over the river which had thousands of birds and well… a few elephants.

    @ Ravi,

    keep insulting Hinduism. Institutionalised rape.. Wah Wah !! This is pure ISI language. Oh BOy why dont you hang in the Muridke cafe room and give them lectures on ideology !!

    @ Pervez.

    Yes you have really torn apart this dunce called Engrich with patience. I wish I had the same… your post on reseravtions was lovely.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    @ Manohar

    Cmon boss. Ab Lok pal aayeaga. Kuch corruption jayega… dont be to sad…

    Sad. Why should I be sad?

    If you think corruption will go away, that we will have to see in due course.
    Good luck.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar,

    With a weak but honest PM… this is the best chance to get the bill. He will not oppose the bill as he is honest himself and in the end probably suppors it, knowing that it is good for India.

    In case his possible replacements — SOnia, Rahul , Digivansh etc occupy the chair… they will oppose it tooth and nail as they have a lot to hide… from Qoutrochchi to land scams in MP.

    If the big fish– the politicains — get scared out of sheer jealousy they will try to make sure their departments become honest as they will never swallow the thought of seeing the clerks and IAS taking bribe, which they cannot , themselves….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let us get one thing clear. It is always the Parliament that will have the final say. As of today, the Congress/UPA do not have a majority in the Rajya Sabha, leave alone 2/3rds to get some of the provisions of the bill through. So also in the Lok Sabha, many of the provisions the bill need 2/3rd of the votes and here too the UPA/Congress does not have these numbers.

    Rest of your comments not worth responding to.

    engrich Reply:

    Yes you have really torn apart this dunce called Engrich with patience. I wish I had the same… your post on reseravtions was lovely

    he used only abusive language like u.he did not offered any convincing argument.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    No 100th 100 again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yet again he missed that milestone. But India seems to be in commanding
    position .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I am a bit old-fashioned. I have always put my money on Dravid – a batsman in the style and class of Sunil Gavaskar. No ST for me.

    Yes, we are in a commanding position, tomorrow we must build a huge total – say at least 500 plus.

    ——-

    One of the reasons, we do not win more often is that our bowlers manage to get rid of the first five or so opponent’s batsmen, but always struggle to get the bottom half back in the pavilion. The classic case, the Karachi Test 2006 – Pakistan 39 for 6 (Irfan Pathan’s superlative hat trick) and we went on to lose the match.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes, I remember that match. But now India is a different team.
    Earlier under Ganguly and now under Dhoni, they have proved
    that we can win matches on regular basis.

  • Abu Ahmed

    I don’t believe in reservations, yes; at the same time, as the percentage of Muslims employed everywhere have gone down to the lowest, may be it is required now. Higher education was always a rich man’s prerogative, and so it is even today. If Muslims are employed more, this would economically empower them to educate the next gen to the highest level. And if that gen breaks into the higher echelons of society, that would be the first step of Indian Muslims in closing the big gap with their brethren in the country. In Hyderabad, without any reservations, the young gen have gone for higher education in all areas of study – thats very encouraging. It was made possible because people found employment elsewhere during the 80s and 90s and were able to provide for higher education of their children.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Amen

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Abu bhai

    I too am worried that Muslim employment is highly unsatisfactory. But search your heart. Have not the elders in the community created the situation where they ask the children to go to madrassas which just teach basic urdu and stress on relgious lessons and nothing more?

    Even that is missing in many of the smaller towns and poorer homes. The first reaction is always of creating inseciruity amongst us that we should NOT mix with other religions or even with Muslims who are Shia/Sunni. Girls are so often pressurised to start thinking of marriage the moment hey are 16. The real solutions will come in case someone is bold enough to shepherd Muslims to mainline schools and reform all these outdated laws which ****** our growth.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Secular modern education is the best route to prosperity and up-ward mobility

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar-
    You seem to imply that there is no place for agitation, satyagraha etc in a ‘democtacy’ because people have the right to elect their representatives.
    If democracy is the ideal system as Socrates and Plato envisaged, (I now have started questioning whether that is the right form, if not what system etc, but that is beside the point), it is a system continuously refined by peoples movements, protests etc. What we see in US as “occupy movement”, “tea party”, and waht we see in other countries is all a part of people wanting an improvement in the system which they believe have been hijacked by the political class and the powerful ones.

    USA would not have passed Civil rights law in 1964 had there was no Dr Martin Luther king and Martin Luther king not organized a nationwide movement. Mr Obama could not have been president; the white-black marriages would have continued illegal etc. And USA is the oldest democracy, and for all practical aspects, a robust, functioning one, with representatives elected every two years.

    The “man of the year” issue of time magazine is for the protestors all over the world. Time says the system is broken all over – whether democratic or dictatorial.

    Change can happen through parliamentary processes, it can ghappen when military takes over, it can happen with the shot of a barrel, it can happen with peoples movement. India achieved independence through a peoples movement. We will now go througha cleansing process through peoples movement.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    It is a fact of life all right winger’s, eventually despise democracy. In that respect your admission that you are beginning to question it, does not surprise me.

    There is time and place for Staygrah and other pressure groups – such as the Anna movement, the anti-Apartheid Movement, The CND, The Civil Rights Movement.

    In each of the above cases it was the Parliament that passed the law which changed the society.

    Nowhere, it is recorded that Dr Matin Luther King wanted to dictate each and every clause of the Law that abolished segregation. Likewise Nelson Mandela did not dictate the New Constitution of RSA.

    These organisations and leaders focused on the PRINCIPLE of change not the mechanism, that was left to technocrats.

    Anna is close to creating a state within a state. He has made his point. I thank him for making corruption an issue – it was long overdue – now let the parliament do what its role is.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not a “right” winger – neither I wont castigate one based on what ‘wing” she is from.
    Anna is right to insist that the bill embodies the ideas he espounded; otherwise what is the meaning.
    Yes, u r right that Martin Luther did not “dicatte” the wordings, however, Lyndon Johnso proposed and got from the Congress what Martin Luther wanted.

    Apart from the merits/demerits, Congress/UPA misrably failed at the politics of this. They mishandled this right from the beginning; they continue to mishandle; may be due to the wear and tear and stress of running the govt..

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    Ravi Reply:

    In that case

    Anna is totally wrong in insisting any clauses, because that is damaging the institution of Parliament for which you seem to have scant regard.

    He has won. He has made the point. He is a statesman; he should bow out and let the politicians slug it out on a phrase by phrase basis.

    Anna only succeeded because BJP had failed to be an effective opposition.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Ravi is right.

    My question repeated again and again. Who is Anna Hazare and his team members to insist that only their version is correct and be incorporated in the bill? Anna is not above Parliament, as Arvind Kejriwal had pompously broadcast to the contrary.

    Congress/UPA failed miserably – very true. They made a royal mess by taking this gang seriously. So let the people of India teach them a lesson whenever the next general elections are held.

    Two points in this regard though
    1) Who replaces them?
    2) Going by the recent election results (especially to the Maharashtra Municipalities), there are no takers for Anna and his campaign, worse not even in his own district. The first question repeated differently – who is he representing (certainly not the public at large) then?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    1) Your impression is incorrect. Legitimate protests, strikes, satyagrahs are all part and parcel of a democratic set-up. Whether they actually solve the problem(s) is a different matter altogether.

    What was the result of the Occupy Movement in USA?

    2) Changes do not happen through people’s movements in democratic societies like ours, they happen through the ballot box.

    People’s movements happen only in dictatorial and theocratic societies.
    If they do indeed happen, what is the guarantee that the new regime will be more benevolent and more in tune with people’s aspirations?

    3) I do not think that there is a better system that the one we have now (one person – one vote and fundamental rights guaranteed and upheld) – in spite of the fact that there are problems galore. Let us say the lesser of all the evils. In fact, we have discussed this in detail earlier – if you could come with a better system – it will be a delight to discuss it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    are u implying Anna’ s is not legitimate protest? Should somebody submit a chalan at th district treausry to get the cetificate of legitimacy? Who decides something is legitimate and something is not.
    Change can happen thru avriuous means. If we were like PAksitan (it behooves why Vinod would compare us to Pakistan), we could have been taken over by hawkish generals like Cariappa and Padmanabhan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I think you are better than this type of arguemts/discussion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did I say it was illegitimate? No

    My criticism is solely based on the methods and tactics they have adopted.

    IMO, they are shadow-warriors (apt description by the Indian Express) for those opposed to the Congress (no problem if they say so openly) and some of the members wish to settle personal scores. This Lokpal bill is only a weapon for public consumption. Didn’t Anna again today say he will campaign against the Government (read UPA/Congress). Why not against Mayawati and other corrupt parties and leaders? Are we then talking about double standards and doublespeak and a hidden agenda?

    I am not thinking of Pakistan and what goes on there in this regard.

    Given the way our armed forces are composed and structured, there is no way any (mad) General will succeed in overthrowing the Government.

  • Anonymous

    viju

    hope u took ur girlfriend too to the wildlife sanctuary..
    Well, visit some of the fabulous sactuaries in “Gods own land” (before it becomes satan’s land) next year..
    The yearend issue of Economist (with a frog cover picture) cover article is about a trek in a rain forest here ..(I did not know kerala has “rain forests”)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I am sure she would have refused to go, because some boys themselves become ‘wild’ in those surroundings, which some girls instinctively know.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    Thank you for the Kerala idea. It is tempting and I have not gone there since the last 4 years. Loved the backwaters… and the laziness of the beach!

    I am with a couple of friends here. Learnt a lot about life !! Including a priceless gem by a friend, ” Animals dont wear clothes… that is why they dont think about sex all year round and have mating seasons !! ” :)

    Also discovered that animals can be as possesive aout their mates as human beings are. A friends son went too close to a wild cow to take a photograph.

    The bull standing about 300 mtrs away started snorting angrily… took a few dangerous steps forward….

    God saved us then….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Yahaan ek joke to banta hai.

    A lady teacher asked her students
    cats and ******* ko ek saath 6-7 bache hote hai, insanon ko kyoon nahin ?
    Papu got up and said :
    Teacher, aap bhi agar unki tarah bina kapron ke bahar niklengi, to aapko
    bhi ho jaaenge.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gud one MOhan !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Lekin ek saath? aur woh be saath saath?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Little bit of leeway is allowed while telling a joke.

  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay kumar

    Interesting observations! I like the jungles… especially Corbett which is close to Moradabad

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  • Anonymous

    @ everyone

    Bhaiyon sub kuch theek hai… but this Lok Pal bill certainly has some pretty butterlies supporting it.

    Shazia Ilmi is one… yeh hai asli ILm

    And this fair girl in spectacles… Anjali or something like that…

    For those reasons alone, I supoort the Jan Lok Pal !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Both have immense sex appeal, in inverse proportion to Kumar ketkar’s debating appeal (I would, in all fairness, not say the same thing about our friend, Vinod Sharma).

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pervez

    That is true Indian secularism!! I second your choice !!

    Shazia makes my heart flutter and so does that lawyer girl… Jai Ho!

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  • Anonymous

    Poor turnout at Ramlila Maidan leaves Team Anna disappointed

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Poor-turnout-at-Ramlila-Maidan-leaves-Team-Anna-disappointed/articleshow/11268607.cms

    What were they expecting? That people would come again to see a repeat show of the ‘nautanki’!

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    engrich Reply:

    why corporates are not included in lokpal.can u shed some light on it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich

    You cannot bring everybody under one authority. This Lokpal is supposed to have 35000 personnel. They cannot keep track, detect corruption and prosecute millions of people across the country. If everybody was brought under the Lokpal, then the institution will just get crushed under its own weight.

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    engrich Reply:

    but their loot is far bigger than bribe to clerk.they can hurt more.
    i feel that he is clearing field for them.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Is the article suggesting that the RSS only supplied team Anna with some fair weather supporters?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not know about the supplies from the RSS.

    The fact (which we are all aware of) is that the national pastime of the people of Bombay is making money and no opportunity is allowed to get away and they would not waste time in going to see some ’side-show’, where one is not likely to make money.

    The weather is very fair in Bombay these days, so there should have been a very large number of ‘fair weather’ supporters. Probably, they got stuck in some ‘traffic jam’ and decided to go back to whatever they do on day to day basis and give this event a miss.

    Sarcasm aside, the real reason. IMO, that there is not much support for Team Anna is because of their shenanigans for the last several months.

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  • Ravi

    ======================================
    -~-~-~-~BREAKING NEWS-~-~-~-~-~-~
    ======================================

    One Vijay Kumar has broken out of the Golimarkhan wild-life sanctuary.

    Innocent, law abiding, happy go lucky, public is warned not to approach this poisonous hinduatvam reptilium sanctimonium. Its poison – though seldom lethal – can cause severe irritation and give you a rash.

    Meanwhile a keeper from the sanctuary has been suspended and an investigation is on the way. The results of the investigation are expected sometime around the year 2057.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    this has about it as much wit as last year’s dried horse ****.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Still more than a million time more than your life-times work

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~~ BREAKING NEWS !!~~~~~ BREAKING NEWS !!
    ~~~ NEW NAMES FOR ISI AGENTS ANNOUNCED !!! ~~~
    ~~~ Engrich = Hafeez Saeed wife no 1, Ravi = Hafeez Saeed wife no 2 ~~~ :) :)
    ==============================================================

    Muridke. 27 Dec, BBC News

    With the ISI under severe stress becasue of an onslaught by the US as well as the Pakistani government, it has decided to change the name of its agents in India.

    Ace fundoo of the ISI, Engrich, will henceforth be known as “Hafeez Saeed wife no 1″

    Super ace ISI fundoo, Ravi, will be henceforth known as “Hafeez Saeed wife no 2 ”

    Correspndent Vijay Kumar, reporting for BBC from Muridke, is choking with laughter in Muridke. His report went H aha ah HAHAHAHAH HA !!

    While ISI agents Ravi and Engrich, that is Hafeez Saeed wife no 1 and Hafeez Saeed wife no 2, are preparing to enter the harem……….

    HAHAHAHHHAHAHHAH HAHHAH HAHHA !!! :) :) :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    The above has about as much wit as a winter Hog Roast

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The world will find it funny !!

    I choke with laughter….

    While you and engrich prepare to do mujra as Hafeez Saeed plays the tabla,

    Ravi wearing a salwar is looking coyly at Hafeez Saeed and singing,

    ” Dil cheez kya hai aap meri g_ _ _ d leejiye…. ”

    HAHAH HA HA HAHA HAA RR HARRR !! :) :)

    have a good time with hafeez tonite !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    You should know.

    After all you have been a catomite of BV Shenoy for the last two years.

    I will let the world think what it does.

    You can tell them what you want.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi wearing a salwar is looking coyly at Hafeez Saeed and singing,

    ” Dil cheez kya hai aap meri g_ _ _ d leejiye…. ”

    peeche se Engrich is shouting

    “Ravi meri jaan… mera kya hoga darling !! ”

    Harem mein jhagda…. Hafeez takes out his gun…

    HAHA HA HA HAHAH !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just got to re-emter the jungle again. Will be back at 10.30 to check mail…

    Meanwhile kya Hafeez Saeed apni wife no 1 and wife no 2 ka chir haran kar dega?

    Kya wife no 2 agla mujra ka preparation kar lega… wearing a Victora secrets lingerie ??

    Audience please wait for next bulletin ….

    HA HA HA HAHAAAA

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I have just learnt about the previous employment with LeT, of the two jihadi turds, where they worked their asses out, literally, like donkeys. Here is proof:

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    The only hope Hafeez saeed’s wife no 1 and hafeez Saeed’s wife no 2 is thqt they post some long pieces of nonsense… so that this folktale of their “rangeeli raatien in Muridke” gets buried… :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Your hope is that you present your posteriorory to your catamite.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    The next mujra, hafeez saeed’s wife no 2 , wearing victoria secrets lingerie is on. Quick tune on BBC !!

    hafeez is throwing fake ISI ruppes and dollars, Ravi is coyly singing,

    “Inhi logon ne…
    Inhi logon ne…

    Cheen line dupatta maera … ”

    HA HA HA ABHA

    What a day !!

    Ravi Reply:

    Still better than being a Bank Teller as you were

    Ravi Reply:

    The world did’nt but your Raja did.

    Anonymous Reply:

    With both Kayani and ISI chief, Shuja Pasha being hounded out (this from the horse’s mouth-Hafeez Saeed’s wife no 2), engrich, the daily wage earner who gets paid a paltry sum every Friday, is worried upto his balls.

    Wife no.2, though not threatened like wife no.1, is still in danger of his British dole card becoming a dud and also getting exposed to MI 5.

    You can also announce this as breaking news in your next bulletin from Muridke.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    brilliant !! just informed the BBC headquarters that this should go in as breaking news!!

    @ hafeez Saeed wife no 2,

    Please watch bulletin. You guys are on world news now !!

    HAHA HAHAHHA HA!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

    Ravi Reply:

    Sad and pathetic. I heard better in a 6th form common room.

    It will be a half mast flag day when you grow up

    Ravi Reply:

    So long as you and your catomite are locked in conjugal bliss, who cares about the rest.

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  • Anonymous

    I always thought that only Navjyot Singh Siddhu, the BJP MP no less, laughs at his own jokes and at everything else, but I was wrong.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course you would never notice that your pal– Hafeez saeed’s wife no 2– tried his hand at some lame humour and is now eating return favours :)

    And of course he invoked my name at least 14 times in the past 3 days…

    But then you will notice only when he has bitten dust and enjoying life in Muridke…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Self-congratulation is no recommendation

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Next Mujra song :

    Hafeez Saeed’s wife no 2 in voctoria secrets lingerie…

    Hafeez lustly asks the sarangi waala and tabalchi to increase volume,

    Then Ravi– hafeez Saeed’s wife sings,

    “inhi logon ne…
    Inhi logon ne cheen lina dupatta meraa…”

    Wah wah !! wah !!

    Ravi Reply:

    RSS Agent

    Is that the best you can do?

    Even in gali giloj you are about as subtle as a dead porcupine.

    engrich Reply:

    yeh barasingha apke peeche pad gaya hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Hafeez saeed’s biwi no 2 is all set to Hijack hafeez… :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoy’s Catamite is all set to lift his shirt

    Ravi Reply:

    Is ke jaise do double roti mein dal kar rozana khata hoon

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have no pals here. You are all fellow bloggers.

    Who all I had in mind I posted my comments should not be hard to guess. Samajh ne waalaa samajh jaaye gaa.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    It is worse than that.

    Vijay would not know a joke if it ran him over and put him in hospital.

    He thinks farting is funny. That is where he is stuck as far as humour is concerned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know. What they write are not jokes. They are CTs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I’ll help you in case you want to console your losing ally…

  • Anonymous

    Anna has every right to organize, influence, and even dictate legislation; we should be happy that this time it is not the liquor mafia, or the land mafia, or the other scores who have infested Congress, BJP, any party you can name……I hope and pray 80% of Anna’s proposals will become law.

    Today’s NY Times front page pic is a tricolour being waved by an Anna supporter amid discharge from fumigation work in Mumbai. It is a wonderful picture.. Try googling.

    I am against reservations except for Aadivasis whose lands were forcibly taken over by the powerful. In fact the land should be returned if there is a title claim.

    However, I am for equality of opportunity. Rather than diluting the national brain by allowing mediocre students to enter medicine, engineering, technology, healthcare administration etc, I rather provide facilities for the “disadvantaged” to obtain a high class school education, to prepare them to qualify on merit. I am for the government spend tax money to run “world class” primary thru high schools, similar to IIT/IIM/NITs, admit students below certain economic level (making it all inclusive; they all will be poor Indians instead of Muslim Indian , Pattani Makkal Indian, Vaniyar Indian, Dalit Indian…). I recommend some of the Central Schools be transformed into free, boarding/tuition/all expenses provided “premier” schools for all children below certain economic level – so poor Muslim is included as well as a poor Brahmin.

    We cannot afford to have a situation like the one in UP where the govt is considering giving graduation pass to several medical students( all came through the quota system) who have not been able to pass the exams after 5 or so attempts. Will the bleeding hearts want their children to be treated by these doctors? We are degrading ourselves with this constant rush to the bottom (10% less for this, 5% for that, skip one subject for this).

    Instead of Muslim Indian, Gujjar Indian, Dalit Indian, North Indian, South Indian etc, let us start with two clearly distinguishable groups – poor Indian and not-so poor Indian; try to elevate the livelihood of the poor Indian, and we all will be better off, resulting in a vibrant India. We had the current schemes for the last sixty years (originally supposed to be a fixed length program); the ones who benefited do not want to get out of it; with many outside this “privileged class” ring waiting/wanting to be included. Instead of deciding whom to include/exclude (ie the recent Gujjar “struggle” in Rajasthan), may be we should include all, with some level of income/assets as the marker.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right Shoeb ! Brilliant post;;;;

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    engrich Reply:

    why anna is silent on corporates.corporates should be brought under lokpal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Your post reflects the views of most of the Indians.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So Mohan, most Indian’s think Anna can dictate legislation.

    Rs 100 says, Not so.

    Care to bet??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not wager small amounts.

    Ravi Reply:

    Good, but you seem to not have raised the ante either.

    Just a weedy weasel excuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not only I do not wager small amount I also only place a bet when I am sure of getting my winnings.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ok You win.

    The aorld think s very highly of Anna.

    Sadly not many in the Parliament do, as the Bill has been passed in the lower house.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I do not believe in winning or losing while discussing. The problem is that you take everything very seriously. I was only joking when I said I don’t wager small amount.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is true.

    I did take you seriously.

    The offer of a bet still stands

    Anonymous Reply:

    abuse, abuse, abuse and more abuse
    fake Ravi, you need to disabuse
    yourself of the jihadi excuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Anna has every right to organize, influence, and even dictate legislation”.

    Pray tell me who has given this ‘authority’ to even dictate legislation to Anna? Is this country some banana republic that a person ‘appoints’ himself as the ’saviour & guardian’ for the rest of the citizens and starts telling them what to do and not do? If you think it is so, then do you think Sonia Gandhi or Mohan Bhagwat or the head of Naxalites or the Head Priest of Tirupati Temple also have the right to dictate legislation? They also happen to be Indian citizens and have as much rights as Anna Hazare has.

    I suggest you go and get some elementary lessons in Civics and the system of governance. It will do a world of good to you.

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  • Anonymous

    It looks like that Congress will go down as a party who could not pass the women’s bill; did not want to control corruption, but wanted to keep Muslims under permanent bondage.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Keep hallucinating

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ HAFEEZ SAEED’S WIFE NO 2

    Why do you want Muslims to only toe the Engrich line as you do?

    Kya yehi gyan, Hafeez saeed ne inaam diya hai?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shenoys uashamed catamite.

    They can toe what line they want.

    So long it is not a fundamentalist line, either Muslim or H I N D U.

    engrich Reply:

    mr vijay can u tell me what is my line.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    sadly you follow the Hafeez saeed line which has been dictated to you by Hafeez saeed’s wife no 2. You should bat for India and not for LeT which is dead organisation.

    What is the use of sending your children to America and Canada when you keep cursing them all the time?

    Ravi Reply:

    That is not his or any one elses line.

    It is a line you wish to promote because you have no faculty for discussing any real points what so ever.

    Slightest opposition and you resort to abuse.

    Typical RSS guy.

    engrich Reply:

    i dont curse the country i curse the forces which are destroying those countries.see the situation of america.every year they open new front,kill americans and destroy their economy.

    engrich Reply:

    sadly you follow the Hafeez saeed line which has been dictated to you by Hafeez saeed’s wife no 2

    how u know it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich sends his children to the US to destroy that country from within.

  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    I was watching this exchange between you and Vijay from the sidelines. I think you provoked him first… and are still doing so … !

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    Ravi Reply:

    You are absolutely correct.

    In so far as that you started to watch the game at half time.

    Feel free to take his side. I am enough of a counter weight so as to not care.

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  • Anonymous

    @ manohar

    Allow me to intervene as an honest observer. It was Ravi who started this battle… with some posting on reptile Vijay had become.

    @ Vijay

    Please remember Ravi is a senior citizen . Forgive him when he loses his cool

    @ Ravi

    Arre bhaiya… Vijay has wit and punch. And out here you provked him, so dont complain…

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    Ravi Reply:

    What gave you the idea that I complained.

    If you think that he has some wit and punch, then we may be living on different planets.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which battle?

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  • Anonymous

    Lokpal bill passed by the Lok Sabha, without the four non-negotiable demands (courtesy Prashant Bhushan).

    Now what will Team Anna do?

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    engrich Reply:

    congratulations

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    You would be feeling very sad at this passing of lokpal bill?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Feeling sad or happy? No.

    If the majority in this country feel that we need a Lokpal, so be it and let us try. However, I am still convinced that this is whole business of creating a Watchdog mechanism is bound to fail.

    I suppose you have read the following

    This is tunnel vision.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/This-is-tunnel-vision/Article1-788027.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    why do you rub salt in the bleeding wound?

    You can see it plainly, he is now quoting an obscure HT correspondent to everybody to cling on to his failed thesis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Wrong news! It has failed.

    But very funny. Till now you have invoked bhoot, paraiet, chudail djinn at the very mention of Lok Pal. But when you saw an opportunity of the Yuvraj and Sonia getting credit you did a U turn of elation !

    but this has failed. The Congress needs the BJP to pass it. And the BJP will certainly get in some of Anna’s clauses. However Manohar ji, remmeber than Anna got this to this stage and is responsible for most major clauses, even in the current bill

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    Ravi Reply:

    The government on Tuesday night moved a step forward to create an all-powerful anti-graft ombudsman after Lok Sabha passed a contentious lokpal bill following a day-long stormy debate over the legislation. Lok Sabha also passed a bill giving constitutional status to the lokpal.

    Which bit of the above from HT is wrong??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It does not have constitiutional status in the present form because of lack of numbers

    Ravi Reply:

    That is not the impression I get from the HT report.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Age, my dear Watson, is definitely catching up with you.

    Ravi Reply:

    Look even the BBC (Shavetlingham) has got it wrong!!

    India’s lower house of parliament has passed a controversial anti-corruption bill, amid a fresh protest hunger strike by campaigner Anna Hazare, who is demanding a stronger law.

    The Lokpal bill sets up an independent ombudsman with the power to prosecute politicians and civil servants.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said the passage of the bill was a “special moment” in the life of the nation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Attempting to be very clever by half by reading between the lines, when there is nothing and then insinuating

    I still stand by my view that this Lokpal business is bad and nothing good will come out of it., whether the credit goes to Anna or Rahul or whoever you choose to give credit to.

    I “can only hope” that you read the following with an “open” mind if possible.

    This is tunnel vision.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/This-is-tunnel-vision/Article1-788027.aspx

    ————–

    I just posted the news and wonder what would Team Anna do from now onwards. The bill might still fail in the Rajya Sabha.

    ————–
    I have noticed that you keep singing Sonia and Rahul’s names. Why are you so obsessed and infatuated by them? Is it because of the colour of their skins? Are you unable to sleep well every night without invoking their names day in and day out?

    ————

    You seem to suffer or deliberately choose to suffer from selective amnesia, to score brownie points. To refresh your very short memory, this is what I had posted about 14 hours ago here on this blog.

    Let us get one thing clear. It is always the Parliament that will have the final say. As of today, the Congress/UPA do not have a majority in the Rajya Sabha, leave alone 2/3rds to get some of the provisions of the bill through. So also in the Lok Sabha, many of the provisions the bill need 2/3rd of the votes and here too the UPA/Congress does not have these numbers.

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  • engrich

    anna is rss man,

    India is a country where honesty and integrity in public and private life have been glorified and upheld in history. Yet, India today is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.
    The world’s most corrupt people and the brahminical media have suddenly started talking, writing and reading about corruption. What is this wonder? Remember corruption is the other word for Brahminism. Brahminism is born in corruption. The Supreme Court itself said on Nov.26, 2010 that Allahabad High Court judges are corrupt (TOI Nov.27, 2010). In the Bombay Adarsha Housing scam, Army, Navy and Air Force chiefs were named.

    The constitution of this country clearly lays down a number of safeguards, processes and institutions that are designed to deal with all these issues. If someone has a problem with corruption, report politicians to the police. File a PIL. Or better still, don’t elect them. So there is a democratic system. The sytem itself is not at fault, but it’s the implementers. Who are the implementers of law for the last 65 years?

    “We already have the Anti-Corruption Bureau and the CBI. These agencies are competent to contain corruption, if they are given adequate powers”.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    I am just trying to help you get out of a difficult situation. now dont make me the villian. I also asked Vijay to respect your age and seniority.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinoo

    I am not in a difficult situation, though let me thank you for your offer of help.

    I am having the time of my life.

    Am I right in guessing that you find “Wife no 2” type of pathetic retort funny?

    Vinoo jokes aside, I am not ageist, and would not like Vijay or for that matter anyone else give any consideration to my age, etc. Not sure if you noted, when Parvez asked me my age, I passed on it because age is of no importance here.

    Attack what I write, not what I am or even what you imagine I am. I have no control over my age, but I OWN my views and they are a fair game for criticism.

    I am more than a man to take stuff like that in my arthritic stride.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo,

    this fake Ravi’s troubles are with LeT, JuD and ISI.

    And now that Kayani and Shuja Pasha are running scared of the US and the government, ( and may go into hiding or in exile in Dubai (where else?)) he thinks that he is at last going to shake off the shackles of the ISI bondage. Which has emboldened him to say, “I am having the time of my life”

    No doubt he is having a ball with the other jihadi fugitive daily wager, engrich.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr MMS should resign – that HIS (or is it HERS) people had the audacity to bring an even diluted LokPal (than the one in August )and then get it passed and then require a constitutional amendmend shows the emptiness (or fullness) of this team. Dr Singh should resign, let Congress appoint somebody else.. At 78, he is dying of the thousand cuts from his corrupt party and corrupt colleagues. A man of honour he is; but h will soon find he is a “has been”, used and abused to an extent where he is respected only abroad (for his past economic achievements) and viewed with contempt here — that he should not allow. But he is falling in that trap

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes let us replace MMS a “has been” with Nitin Gadkari a “never been”.

    That will solve all our problems.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    His past “economic achievements” run the entire gamut of AtoB!
    And he is already inside the trap upto his pagadi.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys check this news out http://www.channel4.com/news/man-shot-dead-in-salford
    An indian student who came to study in lancaster university , Mr Bhide from Pune. .
    30,000 INDIAN STUDENTS COME TO UK TO STUDY, this despite the GENIUS Mr Vijay Khanna Khapodia telling us time and again England is a cesspit.
    I know a girl WHOSE FATHER IS PRETTY WELL HEELED, lives in a CONDO in Bombay , travels business class on holiday. Now this girl doesn’t want to return to india despite having a lot of problem with visa.
    This brings me back to the DRAMA OF THE DAY in India , The LOKPAL panacea, DRAMA.
    Then again poison ivy tree will produce poison ivy , not going to grow apple is it.
    So much useless time and energy is spent on something , which will take another three years to hit the ground, and will have MARGINAL EFFECT on corruption.
    In UK SERIOUS CRIME OFFICE has been funded to the tune of ONE BILLION POUND.Yet a recent parliamentary committee described it as WHITE ELEPHANT, the newspapers have been also critical. Despite so much funding CONVICTION RATE IS NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE.They mostly deal with money launderers and drug barons.
    Lokpal cannot issue SUMMARY JUSTICE , INDIA IS AFTER ALL A DEMOCRACY
    it need to prove its case in a court of law . AND THAT IS THE CRUNCH.
    Also 90% of PETTY CORRUPTION can be tackled bt just tweaking the system , remove the interface of govt babus with ONLINE OR E GOVERNANCE and other technology driven solution.

    Why I write this is because INDIA IS STARING AT AN POPULATION ABYSS.
    Cities will get even more crowded ,more mouths to feed , AT SOME POINT LAW AND ORDER WILL BREAK DOWN ,will see more seccesionist movements , MORE MAOIST TERROR IN ANOTHER AVATAR.

    Congress should have countered the ANNA DRAMA by staging COUNTER DRAMA
    PERHAPS MASS RALLIES IN NAME OF PROTECTING DEMOCRACY AND PARLIAMENT, that would be paying back with their own coin.

    Also Ravi , unless you cannot see another Mona sikh(MMS) being villified , there is no case for defending this CLUELESS WIMP prime minister with your hackneyed argument about the bigger devil GADKARI
    INDIA’S REAL FREEDOM COMES WITH COMPULSORY LEGALLY BINDING EDUCATION FOR ALL AND QUANTUM LEAP IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION
    THUS BRING ON FDI IN RETAIL.

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  • Anonymous

    Mumbai
    Anna raises hackles with remark on childless women

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/mumbai/Anna-raises-hackles-with-remark-on-childless-women/Article1-788115.aspx

    Excerpt

    Banjh kya jaane prasuti vedana [what would an infertile woman know about labour pain].”

    ————–
    Talk about insensitivity and he calls himself a Gandhian. My foot.

    Let me see how many of his supporters here to condemn him for this totally cruel remark. As I keep saying, who he thinks he is?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Figuratively, what he said is true – how does an infertile woman know the pangs of child birth…

    It may be politically incorrect — Manohar, it baffles me that you pick on these; and not on the crude crimes committed on people day in and day out by the people in power – MPs, ministers, lobbyists….

    where does this statement rank, in comparison with – the army apartments in Mumbai, the 2 G, the CWG, the Reddys of Bellary, Jaganmohan and his congress darling father YSR, Rajastan minister rape and killing, the unsolved six or seven terrorist attacks…the acts of physical stealing, killing are many; and you complain about a factual statement made by a person; although it may be insensitive.. …

    I am sure you did not mean any malice..may be you were carried away

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you are right about an infertile woman. But, it was insensitive and even hurtful to those silent women who suffer the indignity of being so throughout their life.

    But, calling himself a Gandhian has nothing to do with these remarks.

    Mahatma Gandhi, as we know, was a pacifist. His commitment to non-violence was unequivocal and absolute. This lead him to advise the British not to oppose Hitler’s and Mussolini’s attempts to conquer. “Let them take possession of your beautiful island …” he said, “allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.”

    “I do not consider Herr Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted”, he wrote in 1940. “He is showing an ability that is amazing and he seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed.”

    Now, let us see, after evaluating these, whether Gandhi himself can claim to be a Gandhian.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Figuratively or not. Politically incorrect! Yes. Also uncivilised and cruel too, and he aspires to lead the nation out of its problems. With a mouth like that, he and his gang do not need enemies.

    No, I was not carried away. By ‘picking’ upon him, please do not assume I condone crimes and misdeeds by others – MPs, Ministers. He just happens to be the ‘flavour’ of the season and he and his followers are making so much song and dance about the ‘noble’ cause he is supposed to be fighting for. This is not the first time that he has put his foot in his mouth. The previous one – ek hi maaraa – vis-a-vis Sharad Pawar.

    If one wants respect, learn to respect others. I notice that you have chosen not condemn him for this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nine hours have passed and not one condemnation. Speaks volumes.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi
    It seems you are assuming I want Gadkari– why would you?
    I want MMS to resign, and let some other congressie (Antony, Chidamabaram, Sibal) take this laundry bag.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are hilariously right.

    Despite all the bhoot, pret, djinh worship and mantrawaad in smashan ghats for the failure of Anna’s movement, the anti-graft law is a reality. Getting class 3 and 4 government servants under the bill is still possible if the Rajyasabha gives the MMS dispensation its thumbs down. So is the CBi coming under Lokpal.

    This congressie troll being enamoured of Rahul and Sonia is understandable, because without them the party he supports will run aground. But, can you imagine Rajdeep Sardesai announcing that it is a victory to Rahul Baba and asking Prabhu Chawla whether it would cause any political problems for the yuvraj!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised that Rajdeep calls this a victory of Rahul Gandhi who had opposed this all along….

    Even if we get a reasonably straight guy as Lok Pal, many people in Parliament will feel threatened. Surprisingly Rahul and Sonia dont even own a car… my God!! Must be quite a task travelling around… I have not seen them take a Metro or bus …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    They do not own a car, but did they declare their jets?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Next time they will declare tricycles…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Steve jobs too did not own a car. The company’s Jet was at his disposal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Here, the Gandhi jets are owned by LII (Loot India Incorporated.)

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    quotrochchi and chadha being the MD’s of Lii

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Through your joke, atleast Vijay Sir got his answer why Mrs Sonia Gandhi does not own a car !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Kaash meri gaadi jet se replace ho jaye…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Even if it happens, you won’t be able to afford
    the fuel to run these jets. For them government
    coffers are open.

  • Anonymous

    I believe these all political parties are hand in glove together. In Rajya sabha
    most of these opposition parties will stage a walk out and bill will be passed. Latter they will claim that we did not supported this bill.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Yes, that could be one scenario. One is never surprised by the games politicians play.

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  • engrich

    MUMBAI: With Anna Hazare ailing and Mumbaikars largely staying away, the anti-graft campaigner’s 3-day fast appears to have fizzled out on the second day today.

    As hardly a few hundred supporters, mostly north Indians, marked their presence at the sprawling MMRDA ground, the police too whittled down the security apparatus significantly.

    When 74-year-old Hazare launched his fast yesterday, fourth this year, for a strong Lokpal, the estimate of people at the venue varied between 4,000 to 10,000. The attendance dropped sharply today with hardly a 200-300 people sitting in front of the stage

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How has your English improved suddenly? Who has written this post?
    You do not seem to be our regular Ram Avtar/Tajendar/Engrich.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    this is what Vijay Kumar and I have been telling all the bloggers here for the last one year.

    There is a gang of jihadis who want to destroy Vinod Sharma’s blog by posting anti-India and anti-Hindu posts full of busllshit and bakwas.

    How can a semi-literate engrich/Ram Autar/Tajender write this kind of a post?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Senoy / Mohan Sir,

    This looks like a news item copied and pasted. The posting is more of a factual reporting rather than usual emotional outbursts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    welcome back. HERE IS WISHING YOU A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR 2012. (I hope you will visit again and I will be wishing you again).

    Yes, you are right. But this engrich is a vermin devoid of any emotions. All his outbursts against you-know-who are under expert guidance from ISI.

    If he doesn’t off-load a certain minimum virulent, anti-Hindu garbage here daily, he can’t hope to get his daily wages paid every Friday.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Thank you for the wishes. I too wish you and your family a very happy new year.

    engrich Reply:

    those who have no awnser attack personality.

    engrich Reply:

    but the fact is unchanged.brhmncl shaitani on corruption is exposed like ram mandir movement.now indians know well that rss offices are sleeping cells of international zionism.they produce snipers, sharpshooters, death squads, infant burners, rapists and money swindlers.to be used when their masters sitting in newyork and london signals.

    Anonymous Reply:

    original Hafeez Saeed begum returns…

    Anonymous Reply:

    That was expected. Nobody wants to see a repeat show of a nautanki.

    From the web.

    Yesterday, India Against Corruption tweeted that ‘over 50000′ people turned up.

    Reactions

    1) Dear IAC, you are India Against Corruption and not India Against Counting.

    2) Maybe Anna should look for ground near Virar, because Virar fasts are always crowded.

    For those not familiar – Virar is the northern most terminus (60 kms from Churchgate Station) on Western Railway for local commuter trains and the trains (most of them fast locals with very few halts hence the term Virar Fast, as opposed to slow locals, which halt at all the stations en route) bound for Virar are the most crowded throughout the day.

    3) Dear Anna,If you want to reach out to Bombay and Delhi, you should be protesting in Goa. Everyone is there.

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  • Anonymous

    UPA government has lost face.

    Congress MPs defy Sonia Gandhi and 15 MPs abstain from the session, leading to embarassment to the Mataji.

    Further embarassment is expected in Rajyasabha as the congrss and its allies are in a hopeless minority.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna on the back foot: ends fast, defers jail bharo agitation.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/chunk-ht-ui-annahazare2011-topstories/Anna-on-the-backfoot-ends-fast-defers-jail-bharo-agitation/Article1-788197.aspx

    ——————-

    It ends in a whimper.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I know your opinion about Anna and his team. You do not approve of them or
    their method of agitating. However, IMO, it is a sad day for our country.
    Our netas, who already think that they can get away with anything without
    being caught and punished, will become more bold after this outcome.
    As it is that they do not much care about the common people, now after
    this episode they will even care less for them. We will probably witness
    more looting of the government coffers in coming years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    it is like this:

    A’s house caught fire and B saw it and lighted his beedi with the same fire. Now A, instead of trying to put off the fire and save what he could, picks up a fight with B and puts off the beedi.Meanwhile the house is completely gutted.

    This is the story of the congressie troll.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    What you have said is the story of Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I know how you would be feeling. My commiserations.

    The movement seems to have fizzled out primarily on account of the tactics and methods used. Confrontations, threats, nautankis (remember Kiran Bedi’s show), partisanship (Hissar bye-poll and targeting Congress Party alone). As I have said twice earlier they lost a golden opportunity to make themselves a respected and influential pressure group.

    Why did they adopt such a course of action? Perhaps, the real agenda was something else and some of the members wanted to settle personal scores with the Congress.Party.

    If you have the lead stories on TOI website – it is abundantly clear that their target is Congress Party alone.

    Excerpt

    One reporter asked whether he will campaign against BJP which betrayed the Hazare campaign in Lok Sabha yesterday and whether Team Anna was not following a wrong strategy, Hazare said, “Congress has cheated them the maximum.”

    After this question, Hazare abruptly quit the dais, leaving Kejriwal and Manish Sisodia to field searching questions from the media which was heckled by the crowds that had gathered there.

    Now do you still believe they do not have a someone else’s (the RSS/BJP) hidden agenda?

    ———————-
    Their draft of the Jan Lokpal Bill was another factor. With so many legal luminaries to draft it, it beats me as to how could they come up with such bill – IMO, more than half its provisions would have been thrown out of the window by the Supreme Court, if this Jan Lok Pal bill had been passed by the Parliament in toto. Perhaps it was to be used only as a weapon for their “hidden’ agenda – so whether it was constitutional or not did not matter to them.

    ———–

    The bill passed by the Parliament is also not perfect. Nothing is going to change whether we have a Lokpal or not, once this becomes a law.

    Only if some civil society group (not Anna’s, having lost face) were to start a movement to make the politicians start tweaking the existing laws and institutions in bipartisan manner, then there is hope, otherwise …………

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  • Anonymous

    Nothing exciting is happening. Guys, meanwhile go through this .

    Jay Leno Explains The Economy

    1. The US has made a new weapon that destroys people but keeps the
    building standing,. Its called the stock market

    2. The difference between a pigeon and a London investment banker . The
    pigeon can still make a deposit on a BMW

    3. The problem with investment bank balance sheet is that on the left side
    nothing’s right and on the right side nothing’s left.

    4. I want to warn people from Nigeria who might be watching our show, if
    you get any e mails from Washington asking for money, it’s a scam. Don’t
    fall for it

    5. Bush was asked about the credit crunch. He said it was his favourite
    candy bar

    6. What worries me most about the credit crunch, is that if one of my
    cheques is returned stamped ‘insufficient funds’. I won’t know whether
    that refers to mine or the bank’s.

    NEW STOCK MARKET TERMS

    CEO –Chief Embezzlement Officer.

    CFO — Corporate Fraud Officer.

    BULL MARKET — A random market movement causing an investor to mistake
    himself for a financial genius.

    BEAR MARKET — A 6 to 18 month period when the kids get no allowance, the
    wife gets no jewellery.

    VALUE INVESTING — The art of buying low and selling lower.

    P/E RATIO — The percentage of investors wetting their pants as the market
    keeps crashing.

    BROKER — What my broker has made me.

    STANDARD & POOR — Your life in a nutshell.

    STOCK ANALYST — Idiot who just downgraded your stock.

    STOCK SPLIT — When your ex-wife and her lawyer split your assets equally
    between themselves.

    FINANCIAL PLANNER — A guy whose phone has been disconnected.

    MARKET CORRECTION — The day after you buy stocks. [My favourite ;-) ]

    CASH FLOW– The movement your money makes as it disappears down the
    toilet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent and a laugh riot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jabbardast !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    great. Keep churning out.

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  • Anonymous

    @ manohar

    Honestly i have nothing against Rahul and Sonia. It is just an exasperation against dynastic succession.

    There is lot of talk of gen Next taking over by the media. now what happens. All Mummy and Papa MP’s turn up. Rahul, Sachin Pilot, Jyotirdita Scindia, Digvinash Singh’s son, Sharad pawar’s daughter, Karunanidhi’s multiple children etc etc.

    Is it not disastorous for democracy which Patel and Gandhi founded and nehru just imposed his dynasty on?

    rahul is shallow. He makes light of the LeT, just like Engrich– Hafeez saeeds wife does.

    Manohar, for the larger good of democracy, it is important that you should appreciate the real leaders of India like Atal Bihari, PV rao, Abdul Kalam etc etc– who came in without dynastic unfairness.

    Remeber BJP got Kalam the presidentship. While the Congress chose Pratibah whose qualification was cleaning utensils of Mrs Indira Gandhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Same old broken record being played again – the gist of which is your intense hatred for the Nehru-Gandhi parivar – the ‘devils’ (and ‘epitome’ of all the ‘evils’ this country has ever faced) and admiration for the rest – the angels. I suppose in your books this family is also ‘responsible’ for the demolition of the Babri Masjid and 2002 riots. Right? I have no problem with your opinions and views – you are entitled to them.

    Not very clever of you to ‘parrot’ the RSS line – Gandhi and Patel on side and Nehru on the other. Again no problem.

    So here is a response on the same lines.

    Dynasties. A very selective list I must say – again the result of your selective amnesia to score brownie points.

    You chose to omit to Samajwadi Party, National Conference, PDP, Akali Dal and Shiv Sena (the last two allies of the BJP).

    Even your ‘beloved and heavenly’ BJP is fast catching up – Jaswant Singh’s son, Vasundhara Raje Scindia (daughter of Vijaya Raje Scindia) and her son Dushyant Singh (MP) (3 generations of Scindias) – and Anurag Thakur – these are the one’s I recall – there may be others too – perhaps you can muster the courage to help me make a complete list of these heaven born ‘beTaas, beTis, patnis and patis’. Now we have Gopinath Munde’s parivar and Rajnath Singh’s son in UP. BJP is indeed a fast learner. Of course, for your own and your resident boss’ solace you can condone and justify the advent of these ‘great sons and daughters’ solely on account of their own ‘merit’ and not due to their ‘pitaaji’ and ‘maataaji’, after all they chose to be with the BJP and this party is very ’strict’ in matters of ‘(sangh) parivar’.

    Would you like to discuss dynasties any further?

    ————–

    Atal Behari Vajpayee was a good leader, but he spoilt his copybook by that infamous speech – aag kisne lagaayi – in Goa. He would have been more respected only if in 2002 …………..

    P V Narsimha Rao was average – he slept through the events leading up to the demolition of Babri Masjid.

    Do not put Dr. Abdul Kalaam in this list. He was/is not a politician. Period.

    Pratibha Patil used to clean utensils(!). If true, so what? Does your mother or wife or sisters or maid servant do not clean utensils? If so, do you hold them in contempt too? What about Nitin Gadkari – he was poster sticker in Nagpur earlier – do you hold him in contempt too? Anna Hazare (your saviour) was a driver in the Indian Army? Do you hold him in contempt too? What about the safaaiwala and peons in your Company? And you forgot to mention that the RSS trolls favourite – Sonia Gabdhi was a waitress. Of course, you hold her in contempt -doubly so, because she was a waitress and her surname is Gandhi. Right?

    Have you any idea whatsoever about dignity of labour and would you like to discuss it?

    ————-

    ***** Please bookmark this reply of mine, just in case in future if you raise these same matters again with me, my response would be the same, I am not going to bother again.

    ***** I repeat, think, recall and then hit the keyboard and not hit the …………

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I have no respect of the shiv sena dynasites or for that matter any BJP leaders trying to propel their sons.

    Let me tell you I clean the utensils in my house…

    Full respect for dignity of labour. In cae some ex-employee of mine, even my driver or servant come to visit me… I fill the glasses and make the tea for him.

    But… This report about Pratibha Patli came i the Indian Express. That Pratibha had stayed at Mrs Gandhi’s house for an year and done most of the houshold chores. I was just reminding you that for Congress personal loyalites fo the chappal cleaning variety are more important than intellectual capabilities.

    As far as PV Rao goes it history will remember him as a gr8 leader precisely and maybe becasue he preferred sleep over idiots of the socialist variety. Becasue he was nuetral… he allowed a complete U turn in economic and foreign policy. The other candidates for the PM’s job at that point– Arjun Singh, Pranab Mukherji etc would hae got mired in Congressi rhetoric and nehruvian socialism.

    As far as Sonia’s being a waitress goes, noting wrong. All students do odd jobs abroad. But yes, I would still question her wait for Indian citizenship for 20 yrs after marriage and intellectual credetnails for running India– somehting she is doing on dynastic credentials…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) ‘Ab aaye line par’, when reminded about BJP’s dynasties.

    2) What Pratibha Patil did in Indira Gandhi’s residence I do not know. Perhaps she also washed the clothes and swept the floors – as you seem to suggest and I will take your word for it.

    However she happens to be a MA and LLB – that is what her bio-data on official website says. Given your hatred for Congress, you may disbelieve that and say all this is fake (your guru’s favourite word in his limited vocabulary).

    So far there is no evidence whether she has let down the office of the President.

    ———–

    3) Without taking away any credit from Narsimha Rao, anyone else in his place would probably have done the same thing. The situation was such that our Foreign Exchange reserves were sufficient for few days. Extra-ordinary situation needed extra-ordinary measures. Perhaps you are right that anyone else in his place would have not have agree with Dr. Manmohan Singh to dismantle the licence-permit raj. I notice that you are loathe to give any credit to Dr. Singh (the reasons are known). Most people in the know have always acknowledged that Dr. Singh was the real architect of the economic reforms. I would give credit to the Government at the time – as governance is a collective responsibility.

    What if Narsimha Rao was not the Prime Minister then? We will never know, whether economic reforms would have been ushered or not.

    ————

    Sonia Gandhi. I can think of few leaders in the Congress who would have been better Presidents of the party than her, but that is not the way that party functions – whether good or bad (but for whom) the party revolves around that one family and perhaps that family more often than not is responsible for Congress victories at the hustings. Why would the Congress Party want it any other way, when they have a tried and tested ‘magic’? Who would you blame for the success stories then – the people?

    You have an issue about 20 year wait. Since she has taken up Indian citizenship, does it matter whether she waited 20 years to acquire it, does it make her less “patriotic” if that is what you are hinting at and has she done anything to let the country down since? People who vote for the Congress do not have problem with her. So what is your grouse? I can guess, but I will leave it you to elaborate, if you choose to.

  • Anonymous

    @ Vinoo

    Thank you for your advice.

    Talking against Indian secularism and trying to obfuscate terror by deliberately shouting Hinduism, Dalit rapes, BJP is some sort of lack of intelligence and a brainwashed mind.

    If he posts this sort of nonsense, becasue of brainwashed compulsions– say once a week– I think we can ignore that. Otherwise it is very irritating– though nothing more– and disrupting serious debate.

    In case for example there is a blog on Chandrayan , one Hafeez Saeed wife will first start by sayng that this claim of Chnadrayan actually landing on moon is a brhmncl lie :) :)

    The other hafeez Saeed wife will then jump in and say ” Mod Modi Rape rape…Nagpur,,, Khaki nickker…” in a most unintelligent, brainwashed way.

    In the end serious debate will get disrupted.

    Anyway I have not said anything against his ageing faculties. ( I apologise if I have)

    let us now get back to intelligent, joyous , indepth blogging !

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  • Anonymous

    Why did Annaji end his fast? For a determined man that he is, a little fever really could not be the reason for him to suddenly end his fast ! Atleast the Team Anna could continue the fast for 3 days as proposed before !! I am little puzzled.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    Anna was told to end his fast yesterday on genuine health grounds. If he had done so then, he would saved a lot embarrassment. Now people (like yourself) are asking questions.

    This whole show about fast was bad strategy to begin with. You cannot keep threatening to go on fast at the drop of a hat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Atleast the other team members should have continued with the fast !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fast, when no one is looking? You must be joking.

    This movement was not about fight against corruption, but target Congress Party with behind-the-scene courtesy of RSS/BJP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Now it’s becoming obvious that the team Anna is working against Congress. Yesterday I saw the debate in parliament, BJP was concerned more about section 252/253 rather than pushing for the Lokpal Bill. Yet Annaji and Team Anna are silent about BJP. They say they do not have anything against any other party except Congress !

    Anonymous Reply:

    I wonder if we have seen the last of Team Anna. One can fool some people for some time, but not all the people for all the time.

    Many people, including some here, had got a stick to beat the Congress Party with. Now they will have to find another stick, as this one is broken.

    engrich Reply:

    fast unto death is nothing but blackmailing.very childish also.the whole drama was political not moral.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    it was, in any case, foreplay, a limited exercise. As you know, foreplays are short and sometimes sweet and other times bitter sweet. As Anna is old, even a small fever might have persuaded him to “withdraw”.

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  • Anonymous

    Arvind Kejriwal & Co. refuse to learn any lessons.

    Kiran Bedi, Kejriwal target Sonia, say ‘MPs do not have freedom to speak or vote’

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kiran-Bedi-Kejriwal-target-Sonia-say-MPs-do-not-have-freedom-to-speak-or-vote/articleshow/11282665.cms

    1) How can they agitate against their benefactors – the RSS/BJP?

    2) As if MPs of other parties can defy their High Commands and Supremos. Talk of double standards and doublespeak, the hallmark of ……….

    ———–

    Delhi, Mumbai crowds disappoint Anna, but Team puts up brave face

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Delhi-Mumbai-crowds-disappoint-Anna-but-Team-puts-up-brave-face/articleshow/11283025.cms

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  • Dr Mishra

    Tomorrow, Dr Mishra, MBBS, dives down below 100 feet, navigates by compass at night and comes up as Dr Mishra, PADI advanced scuba diver

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Ras Mohammed, world famous coral reef in Sham el Sheikh. I am excited, and quite nervous

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    engrich Reply:

    apna khayal rakhiye ga kutch ho gaya to balwinder bewa ho jaegee.

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  • Anonymous

    Brazil has become the 6th largest economy in the world, overtaking UK..
    China became the second, I believe either early this year or late last year. BECAME THE SECOND

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    SOMEWHERE DOWN BELOW, THE CONGERESSIE TROLL HAS

    given a long, boring and repetitious harangue on the “virtues” of dignity of labour, even while accusing you of being repetitious!

    Why are the congress party and its Presidente always so secretive about Sonia Gandhi’s antecedents of being a waitress, if there is dignity of labour? Or dignity of labour applies only to Pratibha Patil, who cleaned utensils in Indira Gandhi’s house? Or did she do the cleaning work to prove “dignity of labour”?

    Why are Sonia Gandhi and her party, which propagates the idea of dignity of labour silent on the other antecedent of Sonia Gandhi’s father being a Fascist foot soldier of Mussolini, even while accusing the BJP of being Fascist?

    And why is the dynasty hiding the antecedent of birth of Feroz Ghandy, particularly his surname? What is their claim to the hallowed name, particularly when this congressie troll has objection-in fact serious objection -to Anna Hazare being called a Gandhian?

    AT LEAST ANNA HAZARE HAS NOT CLAIMED THAT HE IS A GANDHIAN, NOR HAS HE ASKED PEOPLE TO CALL HIM A GANDHIAN!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the renemiing of Gandy to gandhi to get votes is the biggest joke this counry has faced…

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare leaves dais not replying to questions about his breaking fast.

    BIG NEWS ON ALL TV CHANNELS. IN FACT BREAKING NEWS.

    Sonia Gandhi leaves dais not replying to questions about the utter disregard 20 congress MPs have shown to the party whip, by absenting on the vote on constitutional amendment, seriously embarrassing the supreme leader.

    MEDIA SILENT, CONGRESS SILENT, NO BREAKING NEWS!

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  • Anonymous

    The mother-son duo of the Promoter family of the Congress Party is angry with BJP that it did not support the Constitutional Status for Lokpal as was “desired” by the Son. What does the Congress do with the existing Constitutional Authorities…. How has the Congress behaved with the CAG of India….The PM has questioned his Right to audit the Allocation of Spectrum…His party men badmouth him every day on TV…Congressmen on the JPC misbehave with him in their meetings…
    How did the Congress behave with Gopalaswamy Chief Election Commissioner when they forced their crony Navin Chawla into the EC…
    How did the Congress attempt to finish of the CVC by appointing a tainted man as the CVC….
    How the Congress Party questioned the Supreme Court when it found its Orders inconvenient.
    The Congress party which is heading the most corrupt government since Independence , is unable to handle its own Allies and merely trying to find scapegoats and save face before the TV cameras.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji.

    there is a lot of crowing going on about the almost anti-climactic defeat meted out to Anna Hazare. Giving the country a toothless lokpal may be the congress party’s idea of dealing with the menace of corruption it has nurtured all these decades. But, as aginst the war cry of ‘parliament is supreme’, there is always the giant force called the people.

    It can’t be that having been shown by Anna what kind of a menace this corrupt system has been convereted into, the people will continue to acquiesce in the continuance of the same thing forever.

    If the middle class awareness about it is any indication, the congress party has only succeeded in kicking a sleeping giant in the groin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    The Congress thinks it has done a great job of bringing this legislation for fooling the country , by faking and seeking to install a toothless institution. It is happy that Anna’s fast has not drawn crowds and threfore the majesty of the mother-son duo is restored. Whther they are right or wrong… time will tell …but as a country we should be grateful to Anna and Baba Ramdev for atleast the initiation of an Anti – Corruption authority.

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  • Anonymous

    India lost the match which they should have won. Hav’nt we see this earlier also ?
    Parliament debating a lousy Lokpal bill. Political parties blaming each other.
    Amid this gloom and turmoil, I will try my bit to cheer up my fellow bloggers.

    National Symbols:

    National Robot. Mr. Man Mohan Singh
    National Salesman : Shah Rukh Khan
    National Runnder : D K Bose
    National Messenger : Burkha Dutt
    National Secret : Mrs. Sonia Gandhi ( Shenoy’s favourite )
    National Submission centre : 10 Janpath
    National Sneaker : Swami Agnivesh
    National Joke : Government Lokpal
    National Struggler : Abhishek Bachchan
    National Guest : Ajmal Kasab
    National Man : Archna Puran Singh
    National Jewelery Store : Bhappi Lahiri
    National Raeeszaada : Sidharth Malaya — is he still raeezada ?
    National Mathematician : Kapil Sibal
    National Waiting moment : Sachin’s 100th century
    National Abuse : We all — THE COMMON MAN –
    National Horror : A Sequel of Ra-One
    National Cheek : Sharad Pawar
    National Bank : Swiss

    Shenoy,

    Need your help on Digvijay Singh.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Nice List, but incomplete. Here are the additions.

    National Baby: Rahul Gandhi
    National Circus : Team Anna
    National Classified Information: RSS/BJP clandestine support for Team Anna
    National Farce: Public Fasts
    National Teacher: Baba Ramdev
    National Charioteer: L K Advani
    National Actress: Kiran Bedi
    National Angry Man: Arvind Kejriwal
    National Overcharger: Kiran Bedi
    National Declaration 1: Anna is above Parliament
    National Declaration 2: Anna is India, India is Anna
    National Obstructer 1: BJP
    National Obstructer 2: Mamta Bannerjee
    National Pamphleteer: Tarun Vijay
    National Cribber: The Resident Hakeem on Vinod Sharma’s blog.
    National Abuser: The Resident Hakeem on Vinod Sharma’s blog.

    Enjoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ My suggestion

    National Toady : Digvinassh SIngh

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan.

    I am loving it.

    Here are a few of my own choices:

    National terror counsel: Digvinash Singh
    National secret: Sonia Gandhi’s ‘operation’
    National ‘honoured’ guest: Ajmal Kasab
    National sportsman: Kalmadi
    National apologist: manish Tiwari
    National song: Kola veri Di.

    I am mighty delighted to read your honours list.

    But I must confess I like Archana Puran Singh. She definitely doesn’t deserve the ‘honour’.

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Mohan, you are wonderful. Another good one.

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  • Anonymous

    True story

    Very long time ago, there was a huge Peepal tree just outside Delhi.
    Regularly dacoits of the surrounding areas used to meet there to share their loot.

    Surprisingly even after so many years nothing has changed.
    A big structure has come up, where that tree was.
    It is called PARLIAMENT.

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  • Anonymous

    House vs Gallery

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/house-vs-gallery/893154/0

    Concluding para

    Now compare and contrast this tableau rife with almost-victories and -defeats, in which every player’s arrogant claims have been reassuringly dented, with the alarming tidiness of the stage Hazare presides over. Admittedly, in recent days, Team Anna made some effort to bend its rigid stance, whittling down its non-negotiables to four. Yet, there was the same drawing of neat battlelines between “us” and “them” the politicians, and the same apocalyptic talk of “betrayal” and “treachery”. The Parliament debate, for all its half-truths, held an important lesson for Team Anna. Democracy is not about the “right” or the “wrong” way. It is about checks and balances, and creating a safe house for argument and conflict.

    —————–

    Wisdom of crowds

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/wisdom-of-crowds/893153/0

    Excerpt

    They went to the constituencies of many of the UPA’s leaders, conducted their own surveys and referenda in 14 Lok Sabha constituencies and claimed, for instance, that 96 per cent of the people would not vote for their MPs again if the Jan Lokpal Bill was not passed. Their implicit threat, with the “jail bharo campaign”, was to embarrass the government and disable normal life as their agitators massed into prison. If Team Anna had not hinged their entire campaign on the power of their numbers, perhaps the showing in the MMRDA maidan would not have been such a statement on their reduced clout.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, Vijay

    Regarding Mrs Patil as Sonia’s cook, so what, etc…

    We had great luminaries such as Dr Rajendra Prasad, Dr S Radhakrishnan, Dr Zakir Husain, Dr VV Giri , Dr Abdul Kalam holding the presidency…

    Congress and Mrs Sonia Gandhi gave a snub to Indians by nominating Pratibha Patil for presidency..

    They could have picked several pro Congress luminaries — there are a lot. It is still a mystery how she , of all the people possible…. In that sense, may be Mrs Gandhi was rewarding her cook! And declaring herself “I dont care a damn”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    My MOm is a very good cook. If I become the PM… well I think I should nominate her for presidentship.

    Fantastic Gajar ka halwa…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When I was working in South Block, I had on occasions visited Rashtrapati Bhawan on business. In variably, I was treated to high tea in silver tea sets served by liveried attendants.

    I will now have a chance to have my lunch in the President’s dining room!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My invite to you for the inaugral luncheon cermony .!

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Seriously speaking… Indian politics is all about contacts and relations. I once went to a government authority in a state all the key positions were manned by OSD’s (officers on special duty who can be employed by the CM without formal procedures)

    All OSD’s were of a special caste group. One of them was the son fo the CM’s driver, another the son of the CM’s family cook, a third a distant cousin.

    All these posts were those which colleced kickbacks on development projects. All the OSD’s had more powers than otehr officers in the state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I wonder as to why there a air of disapproval over the choice of the President of India. No person so elected will meet the approval of all people, because of preferences and prejudices based on the standards of judgment, tastes and of course one’s ideology. We can keep finding faults with the person(s) so elected, but to what end.

    ———–

    Eligibility

    Article 58 of the Constitution sets the principle qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of the President. A President must be:

    a citizen of India
    of 35 years of age or above
    qualified to become a member of the Lok Sabha

    A person shall not be eligible for election as President if he holds any office of profit under the Government of India or the Government of any State or under any local or other authority subject to the control of any of the said Governments.

    Certain office-holders, however, are permitted to stand as Presidential candidates. These are:

    The current Vice President.
    The Governor of any State.
    A Minister of the Union or of any State (Including Prime Minister and Chief Ministers).

    In the event that the Vice President, a State Governor or a Minister is elected President, they are considered to have vacated their previous office on the date they begin serving as President.

    ————

    Where does the above say that a cook or a waiter or a driver or any one else fulfilling the above criteria cannot become the President of India?

    In a democracy like ours, all are equal – scholars, professionals, cooks, sweepers, men and women. You and others may not agree with this.

    In Pratibha Patil’s case, I can see from where this opposition is coming from and why.

    In the ‘wisdom’ (right or wrong) of the Congress Party, they felt a woman should be the President, therefore they selected her and was voted in by the MPs and MLAs. For example, Shiv Sena supported her (right or wrong) because she is from Maharashtra.

    Has she demeaned the office of the President in any manner?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar, I hope you can see the difference. Between the intellect of say Abdul Kalam, Radhakrishnan, Naraynan, Zakir hussain — as compared to Pratibha Patil.

    I am sure you will not notice that chamchagir was the key factor…. not intellect. The criminal cases and financial fraud charges against her family members were obfucscated during her tenure…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As I said , we can discuss the merits and demerits of the president till the (holy) cows come home. Please reread the first para above.

    One can give 1000 reasons for showing disapproval.
    Chamchagiri is as old as the mankind and is seen in all walks of life. It is possible that chamchagiri was the reason for her selection – you must be in the know. I am unable to go and find out what transpired behind the scenes, perhaps you have that ability.

    One can say the same about other people and parties. Name one party in which there is no chamchagiri?

    If you have problem with only Congress chamchagiri, make sure the party does not get majority in future.

    About misdeeds of the family members being obfuscated – it may be true. Name one party that has not indulged in such obfuscation?

    Is there a minimum ’standard’ for intellect that you approve of and only people above this standard should hold certain offices.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Vijay Kumar,

    the congressie troll is asking a V std question to people who are having grown up children of their own.

    Look at the question:”Where does the above say that a cook or a waiter or a driver or any one else fulfilling the above criteria cannot become the President of India?”

    Looking at the way how Sonia Gandhi made a president out of a lady whose financial dealings in her cooperative bank could have disqualified any other person, I feel NOW WE MUST HAVE A LAW THAT ONLY COOKS, AND BAR-WAITRESSES, CAN BECOME PRESIDENTAND/OR PM.

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  • Anonymous

    It appears that the Congress shall attempt to make a campaign in UP and elsewhere on how the “BJP opposed Constitutional status to the Lokpal.” Their drumbeaters in the media shall pick up and take this campaign forward.
    The BJP should immediately start talking about the humiliation of the CAG ( who I believe hails from East UP) and the fraud the Congress tried to pull by appointing tainted Thomas as CVC.

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  • Anonymous

    Good article by Mr. Shekhar Kapoor,

    http://shekharkapur.com/blog/

    I am posting few lines from this article.

    The brightest light of hope that shone through the corrupt quagmire that Indian Politics have become, suddenly dimmed and threatens to fade away. Was it age ? Misguided support system ? Or was it just that he realized that he had lost the support of waves of followers from his first agitation. Somewhere the simplicity of an anti corruption slogan got lost in the dark complexities of India Politics. Like a Political spiders web that closed around the movement

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  • Anonymous

    Good article -

    Without constitutional status, Lokpal law vulnerable to repeal, say experts

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2755801.ece?homepage=true

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    the comments thereon are equally informative.
    Perhaps, if the congress party had been accommodative enough to the opposition amendments on the CBI etc, the opposition too would have voted in favour of making the ombudsman a statutory body.

    When the government wants to keep its power of hiring and firing CBI chiefs and generally “manage” it to harass opposition leaders, what is the big deal if the Lokpal too can just be hire-and-fire statutory body?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    BJP made a commitment in the committee to make Lokpal as a constitutional authority.They backed out in the Parliament.All parties must make it clear whether Lokpal should be a constitutional authority or not.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad, the Yuvraj — a dunce — would have claimed credit for all that. In case the Yuvraj and Sonia first announce that a constitutional status is only possible with BJP help and we will take theri amendments also– I dont see why the BJP should bow before the nefarious trio of Digviansh, dunce and mummy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right.

    The yuvaraj was absent in the parliament when the “sense of the house” resolution was being passed. Even otherwise, when his own government was being attacked by Anna, the media and the opposition, he was nowhere in sight. Then when the constitutional amendment was to be passed, his MPs behave like slaves and lap dogs waiting to be nuzzled and shown a malik’s love for his dogs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay & Shenoy Sir,

    I did not get answer to my question !

    Should Lokpal be a constitutional authority ?

    Yes/No ?

  • Anonymous

    A view has been propagated and bloggers are asked to believe it that the Parliament is supreme and all other people’s bodies are subordinate to it.

    In reality it is the constitution of India that is supreme and parliament is only a creature of the same. Also, parliament cannot transgress into the powers of the states, given them by the constitution. It cannot also transgress into the domain of the judiciary.

    Here are excerpts from an editorial in the New Indian Express of today:

    Ominous disregard for the Constitution
    ——————————————————-

    This reflects a callous disregard toward the Constitution and its basic structure, which can have tragic consequences for Indian polity. In their arrogant assertion of the Parliament’s unfettered supremacy, Indian lawmakers will do well to remember that after India became a federal democratic republic on January 26, 1950, all organs of the state the central and state executive and legislature and the judiciary are supposed to work in accordance with the Constitution.

    Under the British parliamentary system, Parliament may be supreme with no limitations on its power. But Indian Parliament can make laws only on subjects mentioned in the central and concurrent lists. Any law that violates the Constitution is a nullity. Moreover, the Supreme Court has held in Keshavanand Bharati’s case that Parliament cannot amend the Constitution to destroy its basic features. As Chief Justice Sikri elaborated in that historic judgment, these features include supremacy of the Constitution, republican and democratic form of government, secular character of the state and India’s federal character.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Ultimately the Parliament needs to be guided by the will of the people. However given the present state of politics , we have seen that the Parliamantarisn have used different ruses of caste, religion and dynasty to grab power.

    With this background, it is not easy to clean up things. High corruption and crime which is the background story of many MPs is a sordid saga. Anna by mobilising people had lit a ray of hope. However I feel in the end the Parliamentarians will unite to defeat the bill.

    Still– ek umang ki aasha paoda hui hai…

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  • Anonymous

    Constitutional Lokpal would have been difficult to repeal: Justice VN Khare

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/interviews/Constitutional-Lokpal-would-have-been-difficult-to-repeal-Justice-VN-Khare/articleshow/11293444.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar… you terminology– Dharam pal— and your total rejection of Lok Pal is a stance similar to that of Lalu and Ram Vilas Paswan…

    I am sure you consider them heroes, and honest and characters… and would want the children of India to emulate their character…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you say that you are sure that they are my heroes then it must be true, as you “know” me better than I do. What would I do without your ‘assistance’? You can keep putting words in my mouth – it will save me a lot of bother and time to think and then hit the keyboard. Thank you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Have no intention of thinking on ur behalf. just pointing out that unfortunately you have sided up with people who are totally corrupt and would not want things to change…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Like ‘guru’, like ‘chelaa’.

    The time in your life has arrived for you to demand a total refund of the fees paid for your school & college/institute education for teaching you – two plus two is five. Good bye.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar

    Thank you I will petition IIT Delhi and Modern School Delhi to return the fee with heavy interest.

    But the fact is the more the corrupt the person is… the more was his hatred for the Lok Pal…

  • Anonymous

    The only way corruption will stop in India seems to be thru a Bhagat Singh/naxalite approach…
    Naxalites, instead of killing the poor teachers and constables, should do targeted killings of corrupt ministers/MLAs/MPs/bureaucrats..

    fear always works as a deterrent

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  • azhar Hussain

    I have come here on this forum after several months and nothing much has changed. Most of you fools don’t know diddley squat about Pakistan. Look at the topic and the same fools go on tangent of Muslim and Pakistan hatred in a blink. Your wishy washy lists of we wish Pakistn never exsisted; all Pakistni are this and Muslims are that. From the comments it seems you people need some real education and introspective thaught process.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How was the stay at gauntemano?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolute trash pal, Absolute trash.
    They looked at my janhava thread , then they asked my why I still questioned about their beleifs though I was a marathi brahmin.
    Truly trash, pal. Trulu trash. Even our own home grwon nazi RSS understands the situation better. I am still wondering why our RSS Naszis still owe their allegiance to rhetorical US establishmend.
    Guess, they are too dumbfounded by the MIC.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kaunsa daruu piya hai bhiaya…. kachcha lagta hai….

    Saath mein nevla chaap gutka maybe…

    This man is Azhar hussain who specialises in cut and paste. He is soon going to bombard this site with cut pices from Laskar propganda material. Wait and see.

    I am sure you will spend some time agreeing with him and then finally realise that he is here to destroy this forum as he did last year…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never mind my tharra and tamaaku.
    Worry more about your own self.
    Oonchi sharaab peene se soch nahi oonchi hoti.
    Not saying you are juvenile – atleast not yet – just joking.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Am worried bout myself… really kaunsa theka mein naya saall manayega hum… Hum adult paida hua thaa… juvenile ban kar jayega…

    Dont take the crack bout sasta daru seriously… And yes dont confuse oonchi soch with condoning terror propoganda as arty literature… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    BTW, if you find somebody distasteful – you could just ignore and go your way, right ? Or am I missing something here ?

    Pankaj Reply:

    Welcome back Mahesh;
    Missed you and Ashish.Where you have been? Now, you put me in a spot, What I should make of my Janeu? Lately, I am agreeing with Americans, am I wrong somewhere?? Should I agree with Azhar Hussain and or/ Pasha/ China?? Keen for your suggestions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    As long as your Janeu is well tucked within the confines of your personal space why should you bother ?
    You may want to discuss your agreements / dis-agreements with Azhar / Pasha.
    Which part of American thinking are you finding attractive these days ?
    On Ashish, last I exchanged words with him was on FDI in retail. Somewhere the discussion stopped mid-way due to my workplace situation.

    Pankaj Reply:

    Mahesh;
    In the present situation, American interests and Indian interests are coinciding. Hence every American move, which serves Indian interests, particularly vis a vis Pak and China, is most welcome.

    I hope, as you have advised me to tuck up my Janeu, with equal passion, you will suggest other exhibitionists to restrain, or you do not find that politically correct?
    Do not think that Azhar and Pasha are worth discussing. There is nothing to discuss there. They have a very clear position from which they will not budge and I have mine, in their context, from which I will not budge, Period. Have you had a chance to read “guns, germs and steel by Jared Diamond. It describes 13000 years of human history, an interesting book.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Honestly, Are you parading the Guanatanamo a respectable statement againast terrorism ? Even BHO can’t be this ji=uvenile when he promised the closures there.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahesh

    Me and Azhar have a strage relationship. he is allowed to say that the ISI is doing a good job here in India… and if I just joke that how was the time and gauntemano… well our bleeding hearts will burst with sadness….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Bhau,
    Tussi to buraa maan gaye yaar.
    How do you forget our own relationship of heckling each other ?
    Never knew you liked Gitmo style combatting of terror so much.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    honseslty nahi burra manna… I am a pretty thick skinned guy… and able to laugh out of many situations.

    Including one where I accidently entered the ladies toilet of Nirula’s bar in Delhi and nearly got plastered by women actiivists.. shouting rape rape…

    Anonymous Reply:

    ha, ha, ha,ha,

    By looking at his post, Azhar Hussain has learnt nothing during his stay at Gauntanamo. Terrorists are terrorists. They will only become loose change when they blow themselves up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    absolutely… I was hoping he would change !

  • Anonymous

    =================================================================
    ~~~ IN THE END NOBODY WANTED A L O K P A L ~~~~~
    ———————————————————————————————————————————-

    It does not suit the COngress as it is in power… and loses it !

    it does not suit Ram Vilas and Lalu and Mulayam…and BSP as thier thousands of crores will be attatched and exposed…

    The BJP wont want the credit to go to the COngress, Yuvraja nd Sonia….

    The left felt threatened…

    And maybe even team Anna would have felt lost in case a bill was passed and the credit snatched from them…

    THOUGH I STILL GIVE ALL CREDIT TO TEAM ANNA FOR GETTING IT TO THIS STAGE

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  • Anonymous

    Ok gnight everyone….

    let us now tell our MPs…

    kal se chori phir shuru kar do

    Naya din… nayi chori…

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh , Long time no see, another blogger from east delhi is also absent.Probably on duty somewhere in Guandong.
    I am reading a book “A world of Consciousness”,essentially neuroscience for the masses.
    SO LOKPAL IS DEAD IN WATER.
    Such useless expenditure of time and energy , all the DRAMA , ANASHAN , AAMIR KHAN , yet at the end ANNA FLED WITH TAIL BETWEEN THE LEG
    Congress party is HOPELESS.They could have said Lets pass the bill , with lukayukta ,AND THEN COME NEXT SESSION WE WILL ALTER THE LAW.and give the state all the discretion to elect or not a lokayukta
    Passing the bill was SYMBOLIC anyway , for to see it appear in flesh and bone will take atleast two to three years. CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE DISREGARDED ALL AMENDMENTS(apparently 146 in all,what a joke) AND SHOULD HAVE GONE FOR VOTING ON THE PASSING OF THE BILL. This is would have SHOWN CONGRESS AS PRO LOKPAL and rest AGAINST.lLOKPAL
    I am not surprised the political class has no interest in seeing it through.
    I MEAN THINK ABOUT IT , ALL THE CROOKS IN BOTH BJP , CONGRESS ,AND SUPER CROOKS OF COWBELT , LALU MULAYAM AND BEHENJI ought to be the first VICTIMS.I mean yedurappa went for such a TRIVIALITY, the rest have SKELETONS IN THEIR CUBBARD.

    Anyway I am planning to take a chance and queue at 0800hrs this saturday at National gallery for the leonardo Da vinci exhibition
    THERE ARE PLENTY AVAILABLE ON THE Ebay TOUTS ASKING 400 pounds.
    SO CORRUPTION IS UNIVERSAL AND ETERNAL LIKE THE OLDEST PROFESSION EXCLUSIVE TO WOMEN, till recentl

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Lokpal Bill

    1) Good riddance of bad rubbish at least for now. A totally unworkable monster was in the offing.

    I sincerely hope our politicians now get down to tweaking the existing laws and institutions in order to reduce corruption and other shortcomings in the system. Only hoping.

    2) With so many divergent stands of the various political parties, no Lokpal bill with any permutations and combinations of the provisions would be able to pass through. Only a single party with brute majority in both the houses will be able to get the bill passed, provided there is a will.

    3) This is for the ignoramus/unlettered person on this blog, who unfailingly and proudly holds fort and shows-off his ‘quarter-baked knowledge rather a non-existent one’ of the Constitution, parliamentary procedures and host of subjects on this planet.

    If at all any amendments are made by the Rajya Sabha in a bill passed by the Lok Sabha, the bill goes back to the Lok Sabha, who then have the option of endorsing them or rejecting them, in the latter case the Rajya Sabha has to approve and pass the bill without any further changes.

    4) Anna Hazare’s circus was bound to be a flop-show on account of the methods and tactics employed. Another good riddance of bad …………

    Talk about missed golden opportunities.

    5) Best of luck to you for the exhibition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Good to talk after long. Workplace pressure has kept me away.
    Me reading the Steven Pinker book too these days on Language.
    BTW, did you get a chance to read Emotional Brain by Joseph Ledoux ?
    On Lokpal Bill, my own understanding goes somewhat like this.
    Anna Hazare and team may just have squandered the popularity they gained – popularity being more likely a expression of discontent against the established polity.
    Second problem was with their eagerness to mould themselves in “anti-congress” form , at times somewhat fuzzily translating into pro-BJP stand.
    Third, the behavior of key members from Team Anna did at times betray the over-centralised decision making.
    Fourth, systemic analysis of corruption was terribly missing in the whole discourse. Something akin to throwing a battery of anti-biotics at the infection without sparing a thought at the nature of infection.
    At the end the powers that be have outwitted them.
    p.s.: Watched two good films recently – “Door To Door” and “Mercy Mission : Rescue of flight 771″.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    “Something akin to throwing a battery of antibiotics at the infection without sparing a thought at the nature of infection.”

    Right you are. The remedy suggested is worse than the disease. In the process, the institution of Lokpal as envisaged would have thrown all the checks & balances in the system to the winds and independence of the various organs of the government would have been compromised.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Enjoyed reading your last two lines.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan has demanded withdrawal of heavy artillery from the LOC.

    In exchange, they have offered to withdraw two of their turds, fake Tajender and fake Ravi from Vinod Sharma’s blog.

    Anthony, our only genuinely honourable minister of defence has rejected the offer.

    He has told the terrorist state that Vinod Sharma is quite capable of ‘handling’ the jihadi plants, (though of late he is busy making the rounds of TV studios defending the indefensible).

    Anthony has also told the minders of fake Tajender and fake Ravi that even in the absence of Vinod Sharma, there are a few old hands on the blog, who are more than a match to these two jihadis in the abuses department.

    As the Pakistani minders have gone back disappointed and furious, they have re-planted another jihadi ****, Azhar Hussain.

    Bloggers can now on expect an avalanche of anti-India, anti-Hindu abuses on this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • engrich

    CHENNAI: Nobel laureate Dr Venkatraman Ramakrishnan provoked a few and enthralled many with his talk on ‘The Sceptical Scientist’ in the city on Thursday. He termed astrology and alchemy fake disciplines that depended on the power of suggestion and said homeopathy was based on belief. Terms like ‘positive and negative energy’ used by various “quacks were complete mumbo jumbo” and had no precise meaning, he said. Science, he added, had a particular definition of energy.

    Delivering the 2nd S V Narasimhan Memorial Oration, organised by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan, Dr Ramakrishnan said that just as good system of government guarded people from their worst instincts, the process of science “protects us from our biases and irrationality.” “Scientific methods protect us from the danger of false beliefs. No system that does not incorporate proper testing, criticism from peers and other checks of modern science can claim to be ’scientific’ regardless of the scientific jargon used,” he said.

    Quoting examples from history, such as disproving of Fleischman-Pons ideas of nuclear fusion at room temperature (cold fusion) and Linus Pauling’s claim that huge doses of vitamin C can keep away cancer.

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  • Anonymous

    One more flaw in the Lokpal bill
    ———-

    The bench in the Lokpal

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-bench-in-the-lokpal/893631/0

    The Lokpal bill has thrown up an important issue for the judiciary to ponder. Should the Chief Justice of India or a sitting judge of the Supreme Court be a member of the selection committee to appoint the Lokpal and, worse still, the director of prosecution?
    …………..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    C’mon be a sport. Aishwariya Rai– ranked amongst the most beautiful women once– could be faulted for a til, a giggly voice, and protruding ears…

    But then the world chose to be positive and saw her glow and smile… and radiance…

    There are so many flaws with this earth. The biggest being that it is populated by man which is destroying it. SO as per ur logic… we should do away with humanity…

    And ah !! the constitution of India. So many flaws can be listed….

    This LokPal would have been one fo the effective ways of REDUCING corruption… and not the djinn, demon, ravana, reptile… you are dreaming it to be.

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  • Anonymous

    List of parties TOTALLY opposed to LokPal :
    —————————————————————-

    Here is a list of parties which were TOTALLY opposed to the Lok Pal and seemingly they are pretty bad int he corruption arena. The COngress I think was not totally opposed to it… it just wanted a weak bill with due credit to the Yuvraj as a reflex action. SO I wont include the COngress here

    Total opposers:

    1) BSP

    2) Mulayam SIngh and SP

    3) Shiv Sena

    4) Lalu and his gang

    5) Ram Vilas Paswan and co

    Did anyone expect these lootera parties to support measures against corruption?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    The opposition to Lokpal [ led by BJP ] moved 187 amendmends to be taken care of during that short duration. I believe BJP needs a very honourable mention in your long list. I am not sure if BJP would top your list or find its place at the bottom of the list. Was BJP represented in the parliament committee while drafting this bill proposal ?

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  • Anonymous

    It’s advantage Parliament now

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/editorial-views-on/Edits/It-s-advantage-Parliament-now/Article1-788857.aspx

    Excerpt

    Beyond the oratory on the lokpal, of course, much work remains to be done before everyone is satisfied. The conduct of Parliament takes the sting out of the unsubstantiated allegations made by Team Anna of sabotage and subversion of its latest protest by the government. That members of the team are now resorting to personal attacks further undermines its position and suggests that it is suddenly bereft of a strategy to counter a political establishment which is behaving in a responsible manner once again and which has put decency and discourse back into democracy.

    ————–

    What can one expect from members (each one a megalomaniac) of the Team Anna? Bad losers, not knowing how to lick one’s wounds and not prepared to look within as to where they went wrong.

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    engrich Reply:

    idea is keep country in mayhem permanently.nautanki will change the topic.

    three i have seen,
    1.was gohatya
    2.ram mandir(brhmn dont go to see ramlila as ravan was brhmn)..failed
    3.anti-corruption lok pal……flop.

    let us wait for next.

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  • Anonymous

    On Barkha Dutt show a few minutes ago Mr. Sharma asked the Congress spokesperson to wait saying he was speaking on her behalf anyways…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    she must have been an attractive spokesperson… :)

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  • Ravi

    Radha na bole na bole na bole re.

    As sung by C Ramchandra himself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-v1c9HoWyo

    Adha hai Chandrma Raat Adhi.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2yNMlTBwPc&feature=related

    Muhabat aisey dharkan hai jo samjhai nahin jaati

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-S6SEGVmWg&feature=related

    I wish he had sung a bit more

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    Pankaj Reply:

    With sixth bottle of Budlight, who wrote ” Tum agar mujh ko na chaho to koi baat nahin…..: Ghar ka mere chiraag hai buta sa ye badan. No ideology here.

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    Ravi Reply:

    मैंने चाहा था के अन्दोहे वफ़ा से झुटुं
    वोह सितमगर मेरे मरने पे भी राज़ी न हुआ

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In fact, C.Ramachandra has sung hundreds of songs under the name Chitalkar.

    He sang some of the duets in the mega hit Dilip Kumar Meena Kumari film, Azad. His rendering of the all time great lori, “dheere se aa jaa ri akhiyan mein’” in Albela leaves one longing for more even after fifty yearsof the film and song topping the charts.

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  • Anonymous

    A typical opponenet of the LoK Pal was the Lalu henchman Rajneeti Singh, who feared that their loot would be exposed. Lalu had called this Lok Pal concept a jailkhana !

    Anyway… now Rahul has declared that getting the Lok Pal for India is his dream. NOw all the media people and his sycophamts who were finding a thousand things bad about the Lok Pal will find a million good points about it…

    Life is funny !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Ms Sushma Swaraj decided not to make Lokpal a constitutial authority just because she thought it was Mr Rahul Gandhi’s dream. Instead of rising to the occasion and pushing hard for this, she reacted almost like a prankster that it was not BJP’s responsibility to fulfill Rahul’s dream ! It does not augur well for a seasoned parliamentarian like her.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the Congress also reacted like trolls when jethmalani told them the truth about RAJIV gandhi and his name in European lists of Swiss bank slush money…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Mr Jethamalini introduced a character of so called a tall, handsome Mr Singh while arguing the case in Jessica murder case just to divert the flow of the case. He acted unethical by raising the doubt about the character of Jessica and the bar being a brothel. All just to divert the case to a different direction. Now does it sound familiar about his line of argument in Rajya Sabha ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Jethmalani is a duffer… a manish tewari type of character

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You only brought reference of Mr Jethamalini in to our discussion on Lokpal !

    Besides BJP thinks Mr Swami to be more like Mr Jethamalini and hesitate to join hands with him or admit him into BJP.

  • Anonymous

    Cmon Prahald… BJP gets the maximimu beneft from a Lok Pal as it has been out of power and all the loot at the centre has been done by the Congressis. But… it is not about BJP or COngress.

    It is about clearing corruption. Sad that they managed to fool Indians that they were serious. But they were not…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    BJP found all the reasons [ article 252/253...federal structure of states etc.] not to implement Lokayuktal Bill in BJP ruled states. For months, Team Anna has been demonstrating for common implementation of Lokpal and Lokayukta. Did BJP tell them that it was not possible ! Did BJP point it out just few days back when they made long speeches [ Mr Jaitley himself ] at Anna’s meeting ? In my opinion they should have told Team Anna bluntly about it. But they did not. You do not find it odd? Atleast Ms Kiran Bedi does not find any fault with BJP. I think Ms Bedi is still enamoured by Mr Advani’s sweet blessing when she visited him last !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Look how do u expect the BJP to agree with everything the Congress does. It has full rights to give amendments for debate. In a democracy… there has to be disccussion on it… You cant say, that all matters need to be passed just becaseu they have been put on the house…

    Anyway now Rahul has declared that it his dream to get a Lok Pal for the youth of India, all the media people, all his sycophants will suddenly fins a thousan plus points in the Lok Pal !!

    Life is funny….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    After months of agitation, we thought Lokpal would be a National Mission – not Congress vs BJP. This large number of amendments should have been raised at the drafting stage and just a few serious ones should have been debated in RS after passing the bill at LS. It’s difficult to comprehend how BJP could come up with such a large number of amendments while walking from LS to RS !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    If you have been reading news reports. This Anna movement was not about corruption and Lokpal. It was target Congress courtesy BJP. (the backroom boys and girls which the public does not see) and the Team Anna only a front. When the BJP realised that it was going to be a flop show, they did disappearing act, leaving Anna and his team to fend for themselves.

    That is why –

    1) the BJP could not publicly criticise Anna.
    2) even today – Anna, Kejriwal, Bedi & Co. are treating the BJP with kid gloves and are solely targeting the Congress – nothing wrong per se – only if they could say so explicitly and not go about it in cloak and dagger manner. People have seen through this game, hence the flop show in Bombay and all other cities too.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys (where are all the girls?)-
    US is going through a very pessimistic period. A gallup survey released this week showed a very gloomy pic. Obviously, the right wing republicans are having a great time speaking about God, immigration, Iran…even Romney is talking in apocalyptic terms…
    A few headlines from New York times in the last few days:
    - China extends its space mission in a challenge to USA
    - Several cities in USA (facing severe budger problems) decide to shut off street lights in the night
    - Al Shahab (offshoot of Al Queda) in Somalia is on a “gang rape” progrom on minor girls whose families do not support te Al Shahab – terrorists say these are not genuine Muslims and they should be taught a lesson
    - Bill to create anti-corruption agency stalls in India –”much of the argument centered on an often-technical discussion about India’s federalist structure and wheher the provision concerning the creation of state-level anti-corruption agencies was unconstitutional. Defenders of the bill accused opposition leaders of using such arguments as smokescreen, intended to prevent the creation of the anti-corruption agency”…the as inaction may reinvigorate the protest movement led by Mr Hazare..”

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    engrich Reply:

    Al Shahab (offshoot of Al Queda) in Somalia is on a “gang rape” progrom on minor girls whose families do not support te Al Shahab – terrorists say these are not genuine Muslims and they should be taught a lesson

    it is lie tell me the source.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Source is Jehadi times, printed from ISI press , Muridke :)

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    engrich Reply:

    question is from shoebk.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sad to know that the US is in the downward spiral. I feel that they were wrong… in shiffting almost all manufacturing to China.

    Europe and US have become victims of free trade…

    And we in India still fear it, even though we can benefit as much as China, as we still have a manufacturing culture.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    A couple of business TV programs here presented a picture of ” India that could be but is not” – the main culprit was the indecisiveness of the govt, one crisis after another, corruption.. However, they do talk positively about the focus of Indian parents in giving the best possible education to their children, aspirational goals of the Indian youngsters…

    I agree with you on leveraging our manufacturing know-how. There is an ongoing discussion on competing for the future – the focus being that manufacturers/product companies have to focus on the 90% or so of poor people in Asia/Africa as a market, and produce low priced gadgets – PCs, refrigerators, heaters, …, things needed for “modern” life but beyond the reach of many…a notion originally advanced by the late Dr Prahlad, They mentioned a few Indian companies /entrepreneurs active in this market. This will be a great opportunity for many Indian family companies who are frugal, who improvise

    We need an activist Govt at the centre and states to make things happen. Centre has been abysmal; as also many states; Modi, Jaya, Nitin, Patnaik etc exceptions. .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    an interesting thought !! I think we lose out on governemnt policy being slow… indecisive and corrupt.

    Yes we have some gr8 manufacturing skills. The jugaad is here but has to be combined with technology and planning.

    just read a report on solar energy which was being discussed here on this log some days back. Solar panels are now being used extensively in gujarat. Being in the construction line I know the employment potential of construction.

    manufacturing should be our logicval next step of improvement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    Yes, it seems Gujrat is way ahead on the usage of solar panels..There was a New York times report yesterday on that- about Khadoda in Gujrat ..they also provided some statistics on MW production/pricing etc. They also talked about “lanterns’; some lighting gadgets using the stored solar energy

  • Anonymous

    Well, Jayalalitha has now spoken – In her party’s general body meeting on Friday, she declared ” we will be in a position to decide who will be the next Prime Minister” …we will be there in the next government”…

    She will fix the LokPal.. (lots of her “corruption”issues were exaggerated claims of the useless Karunanidhi; plus many of her sycophants aka sasikala etc exploited .. Anyway, whatever may be the case, she is now for legacy)..

    Let us see how the drama evolves. I wish and pray for a Modi/Jaya pair at centre- a bachelor and bachelorette .. Modi as the PM, Jaya as the HM and Indstries Minister.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy & Vijay Sir,

    I did not get answer to my question earlier, so I am repeating again.

    Should Lokpal be a constitutional Authority?

    YES / NO ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why not. But dont say that becasue Rahul had said this…. the whole credit of Lok Pal from a to Z should now go to Rahul and Mummy !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    YES / NO ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    more important to have a strong lok pal with ivestigative powers. Constitutional authority not as important. Incase the lok pal is like Digvinash Singh, Antulay, Lalu, Amar Singh Dahla then giving them an unimpeachable constitutional structure can be dangerous.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am sorry for repeating. But IMO we must have absolute clarity in this matter. We can debate incidentals later. So I am repeating again for a clear answer. Please choose between YES and NO. I am also eagerly waiting for Shenoy Sir’s reply.

    Please choose :

    Should Lokpal be a constitutional Authority?

    YES / NO ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    what advantage do we get out of a constitutional status?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    We will surely discuss that.

    But first -

    Should Lokpal be a constitutional Authority?

    YES / NO / I DO NOT KNOW ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    well u have to spell out the advantages first. Ok let me say yes… but what advantages… especially as this government had judges like sabharwal ( rishwat khor from buildres) and KG bala as cj’s of supreme court.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    It’s like saying there are accidents even while walking on the left hand side of the road. So let’s not stick to the traffic guidelines.

    Did you read a news item how Punjab Govt. had dissolved the Lokayukt just because it started asking uncomfortable questions ( asked to vacate bungalows overnight ) and how few states still do not appoint Lokaykt even after so much of noise about it.

    A constitutional status would change all this arbitrariness on the part of the Govt. of the day !

    Anonymous Reply:

    The state of Delhi with the Shiela Dixit govt just throws the Lok ayuka aside. I think yuvraj and mummy should phone up shiela aunt…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Delhi Lokayukta is still alive and kicking.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad.

    Just check out. It does get kicked around by shiela dixitt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    The post of Lokayukta in Gujarat is lying vacant for the last 8 years (it has to investigate corruption cases amounting to Rs 20 to 25 thousand crores against the state government) and now blame game is going on who is responsible. The BJP has two standards to judge – one for itself and another for others. The RSS supporters here will not agree and probably will make attempts to justify all acts of omission and commission by their ‘heaven born’ leaders and blame others or there will a pin drop silence,

    Pankaj Reply:

    Come on Vijay;
    Never say die. Prahlad is doing better here.

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    Ravi Reply:

    PrahladK – 5 VijayK – 0

    Match over

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    why didn’t you say, RahulG-5 AnnaH-0?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I had to leave something for you

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    if you remember, when the whole country was agitating for the jan lokpal bill and the government was gasping for breath, at times literally, against the onslaught of the India against corruption, ………..

    Rahul Baba was nowhere to be seen and even less heard on the issue of the lokpal bill. If you also remember, he didn’t participate in the “sense of the house” (what a joke!) debate. He only made a ’speech’ in total violation of the rules of the parliament, ’suggesting’, inter alia, a constitutional status for the lokpal.

    YES? NO?

    His mother even less so. For a presidente of party that has ruled this country for the last six decades, not to have, and also not to have expressed any opinion on the issue is indicative of her not knowing about it one way or the other. ( It didn’t, however, stop her from attacking the BJP for the failings of her own party)

    YES? NO?

    As for your question and your demand for a YES or NO answer,

    for me it makes no difference if the lokpal is or is not a constitutional authority, because the bill passed by this government is useless, ineffective and is designed to defeat the very idea of curbing corruption effectively.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    The whole country is fighting for a strong Lokpal Bill. So there will be a strong Lokpal Bill sooner or later. But when you have many things “optional”, the national movement gets fragmented and normally weakened. The constitutional authority status would have prevented that.

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  • Anonymous

    The nationwide Lokpal debate went on for months. Many a time it almost paralysed the Govt and the country. We have so many stalwarts in politics. Let’s see who all gave valuable/constructive suggestion(s) for forming an effective Lokpal Bill. I would appreciate the senior bloggers fill in the blank next to the name of the politicians below :

    Mr Rahul Gandhi : “Lokpal must be given a constitutional status like the election commission.”

    Mr Advani :

    Ms Jayalaltha :

    Ms Mamta Bannerji :

    Mr Mulayam Singh :

    Ms Mayawati :

    Mr D Raja :

    Mr Sharad Yadav :

    Mr Thakre :

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Thakre does not want a Lokpal. For once I agree with him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Then we can simply put :

    Mr Thakre : I do not want a Lokpal. ( Or Lokpal is no solution to corruption).

    Did you, by any chance, come across any statement by the politicians listed above ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr. Thakre said Lokpa is no solution to Corruption.

    Other leaders have said they ‘want’ Lokpal, lest the public will wonder about them, however each one wants the bill as what they think it should be.

    As i have said – with fractured polity – no amount of permutation and combination of provisions in the bill will satisfy the majority, hence unlikely to become a reality.

    engrich Reply:

    thakre is right.instead of giving anti-muslim teachings(aurangzeb will not eat till he see 90 ton janau)our youth should be given injections of high morality,honesty and hard labour like japanese from childhood.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahalad

    Then in the end you have to give the credit to Team anna who had been agitating for it.

    Rahul made onw statement in the end. DOnt try to hijack all the credit for it into Rahul’s court…as he is a dunce anyway.

    By the way your hero also said ” India is bigger in size than the US….”

    You can see it on the net on you tube.

    Even my 7 year odl nephew does better !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I want to humbly point out that your answers are always ( unnecessarily ) complex to my simple questions.Even then they do not answer my questions in real sense. Please note my request and do not feel offended.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    I do not know how much you know about your own intellect and its comprehension of the issue of corruption. Therefore, I find it strange that while you have ‘understood’ the political simpleton, Rahul Baba, you couldn’t provide the answers to the rest of your questionnaire yourself.

    I am sure you will not feel offended if I ‘request’ you to provide the answers to the questions yourself.

    There is a much used, much applied, and in most applications, appropriate too, proverb in sanskrit: “ati vinayam ……….etc., etc….”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I am truly handicapped to understand this post from yours. I am sorry for my intellectual deficiency.

  • Anonymous

    Its an affront to compare the criminal, thug entity of W Pakistan with anything except for such criminal entities like Al-Qaida in Somalia. Its a brazen crime to compare a state , that has committed the worst genocide in history by reducing Hindu-Sikh population of W Pakistan from 22-25% in 1947 to 1% today, with any other civilized state.

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    engrich Reply:

    there was genocide on both side of border but hindu sikh mainly migrated to india like muslim punjabis migrated to pakistan.

    pakista and somalia ae victim of american imperialistic ambitions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajiiv

    Welcome back !!

    dont let screamers distract you! Yeah I think Sharma ji got it wrong. we hav nothign in common with Pakistan and dont want to have anything in common wiht their ideology.

    The few ISI speccimen who hang around here try to inject thier agenda at each stage.

    Anyway have a nice new year !

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh, many thanks for the suggestion, i will definitely try to get that book through my locallibrary.Library service in UK is simply beyond beleif.
    NOW TO REST OF BLOGGERS
    Guys as you know ENGRICH is pathological in his anti india rhetoric,
    For the HINDU VERSION read the punjabi pundoo Rajjiv.

    Now back to the hangover from last night.
    Today in NDTV , sekhar gupta , narayana murthy and prannoy roy MADE A BOTI KEBAB OF KEJRIWAL, literally STRIPPED HIM BARE. Exposed the barbarity that goes on in Ralegaon siddhi, apparently flogging is okay , THEN LIMB AMPUTATION SHOULD ALSO BE OKAY , and then beating wives if they refuse sex , then all you need is mandatory circumcision.
    THIS KEJRIWAL geezer is a DUNCE. I mean he was an engineer , yet worked in Income Tax Office.LOT NEEDS TO IMPROVE WITH INDIAN EDUCATION , rote learning will produce kejriwal, khapodia et al.
    APPARENTLY 100000 people will be needed to man this LOKPAL MALAKI.
    People should realise INDIA HAS ENOUGH INSTITUTIONS TO WIPE OUT CORRUPTION , for all this institutions NONE OF THEM ARE TRULY INDIAN.
    Most are copy of the west. FOR CBI READ FBI, but at the end of the day as sister Condi Rice said they are HUMAN INSTITUTION.So unless the CULTURE OF TRANSFER is made redundant , and also THE DIRECTOR OF CBI HAS AN ERECT SPINE , and most importantly TECHNICAL AND LEGAL EXPERTISE .

    ALSO BIG BUSINESS IN INDIA IS THOROUGHLY CORRUPT,
    JUST REFLECT HOW AMBANI POCKETTED THE KAVERI BASIN LIKE BAAP KA MAAL ,and then sold the RIGHTS OF EXPLORATION TO BP for couple of BILLIONS .
    This is CLEAR COLLUSION between govt and ambanis .
    THIS HAPPENED IN FRONT OF THE NOSES OF CPM AND BJP, did they raise any voice , WHAT WAS CIVIL SOCIETY DOING , twiddling its thumb.

    @Shoeb K , you write about the decline in manufacturing in USA and UK ,and your CHELA , vijay khapodia , whose vista of information stops within greater noida , sings loud from the same song sheet.
    MANUFACTURING HAS DECLINED ARMS MANUFACTURING HAS INCREASED
    USA is supplying SAUDI with F15 , and other service contracts some 12 BILLION DOLLAR WORTH, would protect 50 000 jobs(SOURCE FOX NEWS)

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    Ravi Reply:

    How was the exhibition

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    Anonymous Reply:

    haven’t been yet, taking the train at 0713 from gravesend (High speed) to king’s cross , st pancras , then tube to leicester square, queing
    If i get a ticket , I will share with you my experience

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Those who missed the NDTV programme, here is the link

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-special-ndtv-24×7/ndtv-special-2011-people-power/219868?hp

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I saw this progamme. All these three eminent pesonalaties
    Mr. Roy, Mr. Murty and Mr. Gupta were on one side grilling
    Mr. Kejriwal. Yes, Kejriwal seemed to be on the backfoot and he
    was not very comfortable giving replies to their questions.
    Most of the question which were asked were in relation with
    Mr. Anna Hazare. Why Anna did this?, Why he said this?
    etc. Anna Hazare is their main face of the campaign for fight
    against corruption. We cannot expect Kejriwal to utter a single
    sentence against Anna, which all of them were trying their best
    for him to fall in their trap. These questions should have been directed at Anna instead of Kejriwal.
    Now just hear what he said at the end of the programme.
    He said that their fight is against the corruption and agreed
    that he has made some mistakes and will probably will commit
    more in future. He urged them to help him in this as this is
    a fight which is good for the nation. He told them that he is always
    open to suggestions and urged them to call him when they feel
    that he is making any mistake. Now the question is :
    will these eminent people call him and give him some constructive
    suggestion or they will just keep on critisizing him and in process
    derail their campaign.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are very right. I too did watch the programme.

    Two of the panelists, Roy and Shekhar Gupta (both Padma awardees) are unabashedly and slavishly Sonia bhakts.AND sworn anti-Anna crusaders.

    Narayan Murthy, in fact, was very uncomfortable in their company. He repeatedly said he is a small man and cannot comment on Kejriwal’s actions as he is a free citizen of India.

    If the Pronnoy Roy-Shekhar Gupta duo meant the discussion to be less of a discussion and more of an inquisition, they did succeed to a large extent, but Kejriwal, with all the dice loaded against him, came off well with his humility and adroit media handling.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Except for Mr Kejriwal all others were outsiders. It was natural for everybody to get clarifications from him.I have noticed all team anna members come out very poorly in group debates. They are good only when they are giving monologues before the camera.I am most disappointed with Ms Kiran Bedi. For such a capable lady, she is no better than Kiron Kher while talking about Lokpal bill in a group discussion ! Perhaps Kieon Kher does a better job than Ms bedi !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    I agree with you that the members of team Anna are not good at debating. They do not
    know how to handle the media, for the reason that they are not the politicians.
    Does that mean that their fight is not just? The problem is that whoever is against
    their cause has been attacking them personally from the day they have started their
    campaign. None of these people are addressing the cause they are fighting for.
    This is what is leaving people like me perplexed.

  • Anonymous

    @ Prahald…

    Let us be very clear.

    1) The Lok Pal issue came up front becasue fo Team Anna

    2) Rahul’s suggestion can be taken in case he carries all the Mps along

    3) The Congress and its supporters will use the CBI to punish team Anna and THEN GIVE ALL CREDIT FOR THE LIPK PAL to Rahul and Sonia

    That is what the sycophantic culture oof the Congress al about !

    I hope you are not trying to do the same here !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I have tried to stick to the core points as much possible without attributing any motive. I am discussing the merit of a ball, not the reputation of the bowler. I am talking about how good or bad the bowling was. My point of discussion is the merit of the ball that was bowled, like fellow learned cricketers discuss among themselves. I hope I made my point clear.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the problem, As you have noticed, whenever you wish to discuss the merit of an issue, these guys always attempt to obfuscate the issue

    1) by discussing the messenger – question his motives and plaster him with all sorts of labels

    and/or

    2) attempt to derail it by pointing out the faults/misdeeds of others.

    In many cases, there is thundering silence.

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  • Anonymous

    Ahmedabad couple in trouble for religious conversion

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Ahmedabad-couple-in-trouble-for-religious-conversion/articleshow/11311471.cms

    —————-

    The RSS/BJP brand of intolerance in Modi’s raj. Let us see what many of his supporters here have to say about it (Of course, it depends how many will choose to react).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like they did an “illegal” thing by not getting the permission from the Dist collector. What is the issue? The law looks like a– backward, but that is the law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The issue is the law – courtesy RSS’ paranoia re: minorities, especially Muslims..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Surprisingly ylou have no comments on the plight of Pastor CM Khanna who is jail for converting 7 WILLING muslim boys in Christians in kashmir. Despite my asking Vindo Sharmaji to take up his case in the minoriteis commission.’

    Simialrly Rajneesh Sharma in Jammu and kashmir was killed by the KashmIr Police for marrying Ameena a Muslim girl.

    Should I take your thundering silence as assent ? And approval?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you expect me to comment on everything that is wrong with our country and my silence is taken as approval and disapproval otherwise. Let me turn this back to you – your silence on 2002. Is it to be taken as a assent?????? because there always has been pin drop silence from your side, whenever asked to.

    Now that you mention the J&K incident – it is criminal – see my response to Mohan. Excerpt

    “Haven’t you been saying time and again that the religion should be kept within the four walls of one’s heart and home? The two people concerned are adults. If one of them (adults) decides to convert or not convert to another religion, why should anyone else have a problem?”

    Does this mean I approve of J&K incident and not approve the incident in Gujarat? If you thinks so, then you need help.

    Nobody has any business as to what others do with their religious belief or convert to any other religion or become non-believers.

    I wish someone or an orgainsation had the wherewithal (I do not being a small man) to challenge these idiotic and unconstitutional laws across the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This is a clear case of a breaking of law of the land. It is very clear
    from the article that the parents of the girl were not happy that their
    daughter got married to a muslim and some how they wanted to break
    this relation. Their first complain was not entertained by HC and the FIR was
    quashed. Their another complain was that the girl was converted without the
    permission from the district which is the law of Gujarat. Judge had no choice
    but to put this boy in jail. You cannot blame Modi, RSS and BJP for this
    episode.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay,

    this congressie troll will not speak about Rev.Khanna, who has been humiliated and punished under Sharia law, which is illegal in India.
    For him SHaria law is kosher, but not a state law in force in Gujarat, which is not stopping conversion, but lays down the condition that it has to be done after due process of the law has been observed.

    He has also justified chopping of hands, which is also permitted under sharia. May be he will also condemn Rev. Khanna and approve chopping of his hands for the sins of conversion.

    In my opinion, the parents of the girl are worldly wise and sensible, whereas the girl is love-blind. This is a clear case of love jihad. If the boy loved her really and truly, he should allow her to remain a Hindu even after marriage, as Aamir Khan and Shah Rukh Khan have done.

    The above position is from first hand experience.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think that is the right position. Conversion should not be the pre-requisite for marriage.

    One of my ex-employees an engineer is married to a Muslim girl. There was a huge hassle before his marriage and I was asked to intervene. My adivise which cooled off tempers albiet reluctantly by both sides family members — was that let he girl follow her religion…

    Well … To all those who try to label me as communal/RSS? Modi Modi rape rape etc AS A PAVLOVIAN REACTION for not understanding what true secularism is… I just wink :)

    and then sadly say…

    U guys will never understand…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Legally everything is fine.

    I had said the issue is the law. I am surprised that you are supporting the situation from purely legal point of view. Haven’t you been saying time and again that the religion should be kept within the four walls of one’s heart and home? The two people concerned are adults. If one of them (adults) decides to convert or not convert to another religion, why should anyone else have a problem?

    The law is a RSS strategy in pursuit of their nefarious agenda and have been the spreading the canard this country will be overrun by people of ‘imported’ religions. In most states wherever the BJP has a majority – they have similar laws about conversions.

    The fact that the conversion law applies to only to those wishing to convert to Islam and Christianity, but not to Buddhism and Jainism (these are separate religions). Why these double standards ? Can you justify it?

    A similar law in HP has been challenged in High Court. Not sure if Gujarat law has been challenged.

    Of course, Modi, RSS and the BJP are to be blamed. It is all in pursuit of that “HIndu Rashtra” and trying to impose the ’superiority’ of the their brand of Hinduism. The track record of RSS is there for all to see. Let me cite an example – when the BJP-SS came to power in Maharashtra in 1995, two of first proposals put forward by the BJP were the following –

    1) ban cow slaughter. The fact that most Hindus (farm hands, etc.) in the rural areas depend upon beef as part of the nutrition (meat and chicken being far too expensive).

    2) renaming of several cities, towns and districts in Maharashtra, the names of which were Islamic -examples -Aurungabad to Sambhajinagar and Osmanabad to Dharashiv.

    They had to beat an hasty retreat after the people were outraged.

    If the RSS has its way, they would rename all such cities, towns and villages in India having Islamic names. Just google and check for yourself.

    I am well aware of the RSS’ perverse religious concepts and attempts to rewrite history. It is no different from extremist militant groups in other religions, masquerading as a social organisation..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Religion should be practiced at home. This is my belief and will always remain.
    But, this does not allow me to break the law. There is another law in Gujarat
    Which I abhor. Prohibition. Since I do not like this law, does not gives me a
    permission break it. In the article also, no where RSS, BJP or Mr. Modi
    Was mentioned, whom you have blamed for this particular case.
    Assuming that this lokpal is passed which many people don’t like, will not
    give them permission to take or give bribe just because they had opposed this bill.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan & Pankaj

    1) “Religion should be practiced at home. This is my belief and will always remain”.

    Therefore, the rest of post is does not hold water.

    Who enacted this law if not Modi/BJP/RSS?

    2) Elsewhere, I stated that these idiotic (prohibition) and unconstitutional laws (anti-conversion) are prevalent all over the country and not restricted to BJP ruled states should be challenged. Recently, The Maharashtra Government (not BJP’) passed law making 25 years as the minimum legal age for drinking. This too is idiotic and ‘perhaps’ unconstitutional. Thankfully, it has been challenged in the Bombay High Court. Another stupid law in Maharashtra is about female employees not allowed to work in bars past 9-30 PM and the case is going on in the High Court. Does that satisfy you that I am not biased. Point out other such bizarre laws in other states (Congress ruled states only if you like) and I will slam them in earnest.

    3) From the start I was/am raising a larger issue, which in your eagerness to defend your heroes/ideology you seem to have overlooked and that is individual liberties and rights.

    The lady in question is not a minor and their parents/relations and the Government have no business to interfere in her personal matters. The law in Gujarat permits them to do so and that is the problem. Why there are no such laws in non-BJP ruled states? if you know there are, please let me know, I will slam the Congress too.

    Saying parliament is supreme is perfectly legal and not unconstitutional.

    I stand by every word of my above post above. Also see my response to Vijay below.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I never said that I agree with this law, that is why I mentioned another silly law of Gujarat
    i.e prohibition. Since the law is in place it has to be respected. Break it and face the punishment. These all silly laws should be repealed and some one like Anna should stand up and force the government to remove these laws.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you think the anti-conversion law is silly, then there is no argument and you should be able to appreciate the predicament of the couple.

    We do not want another one like Anna.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    manohar;
    you are at liberty to idolize your heroes and I am at liberty to idolize mine. Anti conversion laws are good because here it is mostly one sided affair and changing of demography. This love jihad brigade can not be given a free reign. Put yourself in the position of above mentioned parents(honestly) and then speak.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Anti conversion laws are good because here it is mostly one sided affair and changing of demography”.

    I see. In that case, can I assume that you have no concern and respect for individual liberties and rights, enshrined in our Constitution?

    I did not expect such an response from you. You may not care, but I must that I am immensely disappointed with your views.

    Pankaj Reply:

    Manohar;
    Reading your previous posts, I believe, you are all for leagalities, A La- Parliament is supreme- Nothing else matter. You should not grudge Gujrat laws here. Parents of the girl, if they are concerned about this marriage, have all the rights to feel concerned and take help of the law. Your bias is apparent in this post of yours.

  • Anonymous

    Why I am happy that the Lokpal Bill could not be passed – Kingshuk Nag

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/masala-noodles/entry/why-i-am-happy-that-the-lokpal-bill-could-not-be-passed

    Excerpt

    Large sections of the media went overboard in support of Team Anna, possibly because newsmen are so often excited by what is “new” that they forget to look beyond their nose. In their rush and excitement, the newshounds forgot to investigate who propped up Team Anna and what were the motives of those who were supporting a district level crusader and conferring on him the status of the second Mahatma. Was this a movement for a Lokpal and was this a thinly disguised effort to destabilize the government of the day, they forgot to ask obsessed as they were with ‘eyeballs.’ More importantly, they fell to middle class ideology that neither tries to understand the real reason for corruption nor figure out how it is linked with our social structure and political processes.

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Dear Friends,

    In a normal ,healthy and properly working democracy,it is Good Cultural sense and it’s application by average citizen that actually drives governance. However , we are still way behind as an average citizen in our concepts of Laws, Rights and Duties. Our constitution Has almost everything that is needed for a healthy society. What is lacking is our overall character as an average citizen.

    There are two questions which come to mind. Why is our Average Character not good ( Please note I am referring to Average Character, within this average lies some of the best world Characters and some of the worst in world, the average is definitely tilted towards Bad ) and What can be done to improve Governance considering our Average character problem.

    Regarding first point, my view is that whole Indian society has gone through a very rough phase of last 800 – 900 years. We lost a majority of our traditional institutions mostly by force.Our Learning institutions,Temples which were also learning and Social institutions were destroyed by force. We could not evolve naturally for last so many centuries. Most of the time ,issue used to be Survival. Individual Survival or Survival of Community/ Cultures/Traditions. It has created a huge rootless ness in our society. The net result was that we did not leave our past completely and we did not accept Philosophies/ Cultures coming from outside completely. This has created a big societal confusion. In the end we
    retained more bad things than good things of our and outside cultures. It’s always easy to
    learn bad things. To come out of this confusion, we have to go back to our roots. Not in a blind way, but in an enlightened way. We have to remove superstions which have accumulated ,particularly during last 900 years when we were in Survival mode.Let us continue our learning which comes from present world knowledge which is also great.Let us evolve and imbibe the best out of both . A confident Society which is rooted at the same time open to any source of knowledge creates positive citizens. And in such cases an average citizen in a positive ,bright and very creative person. Governance in such societies does not need too many laws. An small example which comes to my mind of being rooted , confident and creative is Akshardham Temple in Delhi. I consider it the best building built in India after independence. Most of the buildings built in India after Independence have lacked any vision. they are more of visions of Slaves ( mental ones) .Before Independence, Britishers built some very fine buildings, but then they were also rooted and confident at that time.

    However,above is a long drawn affair, which should be persued parallely. In the interim, we do need laws specific to our today’s requirements. As any one would have noticed, Indians generally are very law abiding outside India. It is mostly fear of law and a basic Indian thought of doing well as individual or as a family.Since corruption is a very huge problem in India, so we do need methods specially designed to lessen it significantly. It is difficult to eradicate it completely. Lokpal can be a right step towards it. We can probably keep a strong Lokpal for next 15-20 years.A strong EC has actually brought order in our Election system, a strong Lokpal can do the same. Otherwise EC is also operating in same corrupt environment,elections earlier used to have huge problems, but once Mr Sheshan used his powers (which were there), things changed. Momentum of that new culture is more or less still there.CBI to be more or less independent of Govt is also important. Based on above basic concepts, strong laws can be made . It is the fear of strong Lokpal which will make the difference rather than every case being tried by Lokpal , which may not be possible. We have to thank Anna and his other team mates of having brought this to centre stage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    I will just add to the small part of your post about Indians outside India.
    I have stayed most of my life outside India and have travelled to many parts
    of the world. Yes, we Indians tend to abide the laws when we are outside India. It is fear of law and that is probably we feel vulnerable outside India.
    Even after staying for such a long time in a particular country, that thought
    always remain in back of our mind that this is not our country. Another
    thing which I have noticed about Indians living outside is their work ethics.
    They work more sincerely than they do in India. Their output is much higher
    than their output in India.

    Overall very thought provoking post. Tks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Familiarity breeds corruption. When people are very comfortable within the system and aware of various loopholes, then first attempt, then repeat and finally become habitual offenders. When people ( Indian ) are abroad, they are out of their own comfort zone. So they do not dare to indulge in corrupt practices. It has nothing do with the local environment. ( I know many Indians indulge in corrupt practices in Moscow as they stayed back there after studies and got familar with the local variables)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    Nice write up.

    1) I am not convinced that Lokpal is the answer to our problem of corruption. As I have kept repeating – any permutation and combination of the provisions in the bill is not going to satisfy the majority in both houses of the parliament. A “good” or rather “acceptable” bill can be pushed through by a party with brute majority in both the houses.

    2) You seem to suggest we have accumulated rubbish in our backyard for the last 800-900 years & have forgotten to clean it up and thrown away good things/values. Is that what you are suggesting? Could we have some examples, please?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke Sir,

    In my opinion, find a way to erase greed and jealously from human character, then the corruption in society will vanish like a magic !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Nice thought, but you are asking for impossible. You are telling
    people to against their basic nature — greed and jealousy –.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    I am astounded by your interception. I actually wanted to say it’s impossible to eradicate corruption so long we have people from from different DNA and not cloned from a single tissue.

    Having said that I think the corruption can be moderated through value education both in school and family.

  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    Sir,

    Thank you for the kind comments.

    A) Now that the Yuvraj has said that it his dream to see the Lok Pal implemented, will you change your views? ( hopefully and possibly you will and spend a persuasive amount of time convincing us…) :)

    b) Or would you side up with Lalu, Thakre ad Rajneeti Singh (my god! bihar mein bacha paida hua kay, maa baap us-se politicain banane mein lag gaye…)

    Waiting for a lucid A or B type answer…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    ‘Main nahin sudherne waalaa’,

    We do not need the Lokpal monster whether Rahul Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi and/or Dr. Manmohan Singh or whole of India are in favour and may get the bill passed. It will be a Himalayan blunder.

    Actually you should be happy that Rahul has promised you to get this ‘magic wand’, which will make corruption just disappear a la P C Sorcar, Jr. and which you think is a necessity. Would you become his fan then?

    My reasons articulated for the last six months (please make an attempt to remember – short memory is injurious to your health) are completely different from the politicians – if there is some common ground it is a coincidence and my opinions about them have not changed just because they are opposing the bill and some reasons may be common with me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We all have a right to our views… well let me tell you in between this blog I have just taken a client to the Police station… to register a case of lost property papers… impossible to get the case registered, without ghoos…

    WHo should I complain to ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I suppose approach the higher ups in the police establishment or your local Corporator/MLA/MP, provided they are straight(!) . Sad state of affairs, really.

    My experience has been different in somewhat similar case. Last year, we had lost some legal documents and approached the police to register a case and give us the necessary report. We had to only spend Rs 200 for the stamp paper to record our statement and no speed money or anything. We had the report the next morning.

    We win some and we lose some. Your experience is more likely to happen than mine – no denying.

    Do you really think with Lokpal around the police officer/constable would not have asked for a bribe? Get real.

    We need to clean up the existing systems and institutions and the Government has tabled the Right of Service Delivery and Grievance Redress Bill, which hopefully will be mitigate the problem like yours. We can only hope. The proof will be in the pudding, once (and if) it becomes a law and the necessary groundwork is done to make it effective.
    Team Anna want this to be brought under the Lokpal, unnecessarily burdening it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    The police is supposed file the FIR. They did not do it.

    Let’s say after the elaborate Lokpal system is in place and they too refuse to file an FIR after 2 years. Where do you go? After all the employees of Lokpal would be on deputation from various branches of different investigating agencies.Lokpal can not hire fresh graduates and train them with the required skillset !

  • Anonymous

    @ Prabhat? / Prahalad

    Thank you for the nice debate. I concur with you that a constitutional status would be a good thign for the Lok Pal BUT not bigger than a strong Lok Pal Bill.

    And yes, if you are working for an ad company– PR house etc, let me advise you that the public image of the Lok Pal opposer is now Rajneeti Singh (my God !! His parents thought he is going to be in politics, even when he was in the womb…)

    So it is better for politicians to get some bill through. Even though they would hate to give team Anna any shred of credit;

    For a start the COngress can build up a tune

    MOtilal ne socha Lok Pal…
    Kamala ne pala…Lok Pal

    jawhar ne Chaha ..Lok Pal
    Indira ne beej boya – Lok Pal

    Lok Pal ji Lok pal

    When a kid is born he cries
    But Rajiv aur Rahul
    came out shouting
    Lok Pal ji Lok pal

    Yehi hai LoK pal ke daata
    Sonia hai iski Mata !!

    Arre boss, we need to remove corruption… and NOW !!

    Dont let this opportunity go NOW !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NAMED GENDA SINGH.

    And Prabhat=Prahlad? My God, the resemblance is uncanny!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    well it was an interesting debate… and I respect him for that…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    My time-investment in browsing through all of Mr Sharma’s blogs in last few weeks has paid off I guess. I feel confident now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Better late than never. Well spoken.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You had raised that point before. I am not sure if i would really debate with you on that point while we have so many issues to debate !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahalad

    Thank u !! hopefully I will let my doubts remain but wont stop from discussing whether Lok Pal is only good if the nehru parivar gets credit for it…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I think it’s not right not to do good things in life just because a portion of the credit would go to somebody else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the Congress and its supporting cadre was trying to take all the credit…

    In case they were willing to share the honors… and not the horrors…. I am sure things would have been simpler.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    If you are willing to share the honour, others too would do. Let’s begin with ourselves. Let us learn to share honour gracefully like good sports persons.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Kaun si duniiya mein rehte ho?

    This is politics, the reality – the ruling party always tries to take all the credit. Even your beloved BJP did not share any credit with the Congress and other opposition parties during its reign for all the work they did. Fair enough and I am not cribbing.

  • Anonymous

    A question being repeatedly asked is “ whether a constitutional status to Lokpal is appropriate or not. “.
    To my mind the question is trivial. Constitutional status shall be merely ornamental if Lokp[al is toothless , bereft of independence, powers to intiate investigations on receipt of complaints, an investigative machinery not amenable to influence by the Political Executive or positions in authority, and if investigations do lead to findings of wrong-doing , then the powers to prosecute without interference of the Political Executive is of vital significance.
    So the suggestion that making the Lokpal a Constitutional Authority shall by itself be a great step in the fight against corruption is merely throwing dust in the eyes of people especially when coming from those who have not shown the slightest hesitation in humiliating and attempting to demolish the existing Constitutional authorities like the CAG , CVC, Judiciary.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the answer for Parhalad !! Thx Parveen for answering…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Agree with you. When they do not respect CAG, CVC and Judiciary,
    how can we expect them to respect Lokpal ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    Only problem is that it’s difficult to isolate the latent tilt when the power is absolute. It’s difficult to prove if the fish drank water or not.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Sir,

    I am not sure what would have happened to Mr Seshan when he tightened the screw and became hugely unpopular amongst politicians including in the books of Mr Advani. If the election commission were not a constitutional authority, he would not have survived the onslaught of the politicians.Being a constutional authority was the single most important positive factor in favour of the election commission. Thus he survived the initial onslaughts by politicians and fine tuned the election process and then we had a new era in election.It’s easier to work with or against the Govt. of the day if Lokpal becomes a constitutional authority. Even one can defend one’s action and refuse to be probed and take the shelter of being a constitutional authority like in the case of our present CAG.So I think making Lokpal a constitutional authority should be the first step. Then everything could be built on this foundation. I am surprised why people did not subscribe to this idea before ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    “” I am not sure what would have happened to Mr Seshan when he tightened the screw and became hugely unpopular amongst politicians including in the books of Mr Advani “”

    This is not fair. You are talking about a hypothetical situation.
    How can you be sure that Mr. Advani would have acted in a particular
    way?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    I urge you to go through the periodical of those days. See the initial comments that were attributed to Mr Seshan by the politicians including Mr Advani.( I have read Mr Seshan’s biography.)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Why single out Mr. Advani. Was he the only politician
    who had criticized Mr. Seshan?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Prahlad comes to this blog with a single point agenda: bring Advani’s name somehow, whether relevantly or irrelevantly. His earlier stick was Tehelka, but now he has changed tack.

    There are dozens of people who called this government the most corrupt, but he remembers only Advani’s name. I can name Jayalalitha, and Swamy. But he sees only Advani.

    By the way, CAG, despite the crudest attempts by the congress members in the JPC, to make him change the figure of 1.76lac crores, Vinod Rai stuck to his stand and even told Mr.Thomas where to get off.

    But, Prahlad has good imagination and has put it to even better use by weaving a beautiful yarn, where the prince, in the end, gets the princess’s hand.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I am aware that I have limited vocabulary. But I am not really sure if I am just blinded by Mr Advani.I am sorry if I gave that impression. I will work harder and try to expand the scope. Perhaps to Ms Swaraj, Mr Jaitley and Mr Current President of BJP.

    Weaving a beautiful yarn :

    Shenoy Sir! If you ever observed weaving process, then you must have noticed that this is an amalgamation of both scientific and creative process. The pattern recognisition and pattern building need skillfull weave of logical steps in congruent with creatively visualised outccome.The design may be out of world and not seen before, but threads that constitute the design are real – seen by all, discarded by most and used creatively by just few.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You must have noticed that if you write anything against the RSS’ ‘holy cows and bulls’ – in their eyes the ‘biggest sin and crime’(*), the tolls will call you names, abuse you and accuse you of single point agenda.

    * An equally big sin and a crime is to write in favour of the objects of their hate.

    The concept of neutral commentator is ‘phoren’ to them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    The timeline I am talking about when Mr Advani was the single most prominent politician ( early/mid ninties) like Anna is today. Those days the whole country’s attention was was on Mr Advani.So it was natural to remember what the most recognisable face of time opined.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay, Mohan, Prahladk Sir
    “Even one can defend one’s action and refused to be probed and take the shelter of being a constitutional authority like in the case of our present CAG.So I think making Lokpal a constitutional authority should be the first step.
    The allegation against the present CAG is patently false. He has appeared before the PAC and , the JPC on more than one occasion and whenever called.. In fact press reports have reported how the Congress MPs misbehaved with him. The government tried to demolish the “CVC “ by appointing a tainted person and it failed only after the intervention of the SC. On the Constitutional status for the Lokpal ,since you insist so be it . The government can do it . But where does the Government stand on this … what to talk of the Opposition , has it been able to convince its own Allies or even its own MPs who played truant and defied the Party whip. The problem is that many perceive this as a ploy to delay the Lokpal by making this proposal . As they know that they do not have the political mandate for this proposal .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    praveen take it from me… in case the pressure from team Anna goes… there will be no billl

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Sir,

    i am glad you you find it acceptable that Lokpal should be a constitutional authority.

    CAG : There was no reason for anybody to doubt CAG. He only invited the attention on himself.

    1) He was the first one to go public through press conference about the presumptive loss of 1.76 lakh crores. He did not make it clear to the countrymen that it was presumptive loss, not actual revenue loss while he knew or supposed to have known as the country’s top Auditor there was nothing like presumptive loss in real sense in Income tax act.

    2) He chose a time when the whole world’s attention was on India ( during games )

    3) As a top auditor of the country we expect him to give the EXACT figure – not three figures to choose from. The opposition chose the highest and started beating UPA with it. If it was actually 1.76 lakh crore loss then then CAG should have stuck to it ! Who do we go to consult if the country’s top Auditor gives 3 options to choose from ? CAG wanted people to cherry pick. The opposition took the clue.

    4) When asked if he cherry picked, he said then he had another figure to cherry pick – 4 lakh some crores. But he did not do that. He chose 1.76 lakh crore presumptive loss. When asked why did he choose 1.76 lakh crore and not 2000+ crore as suggested by his lead auditor or 4 lakh plus loss as he revealed, he just did not have any answer ! He started hiding behind the constitutional authority status plea.

    5) Mr Vinod Ray made an statement in a meeting that “this is the most corrupt Govt. since independence” – EXACTLY repeating what Mr Advani said repeatedly in public. I can understand where Mr Advani was coming from. But it was almost scandalous for the CAG to repeat Mr Advani’s statement publicly.

    [ Now he is much mellowed down after being questioned by the members in JPC. Now he talks in different language. Perhaps he found his bearings. ]

    Praveen Sir ! Who do you go to for treatment if the top most doctor of the country tells you either you are suffering from common cold OR Cancer OR high BP. Then he asks you to choose from those 3 options depending on what you like !

    NOTE : It’s difficult to isolate the “latent bias” when the power / authority is absolute. You have no way of knowing if the fish drank water !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kudos, Prahlad.

  • Anonymous

    Prahladk Sir

    The statements attributed to the CAG in your post are untrue based more on hearsay. Also you seem to overlook that the CBI , which does not report to the CAG has presented a figure of the loss the country has suffered in the allocation of 2G Spectrum to the SC. When the present Telecom Minister , a lawyer of repute , told the country it has not suffered any loss , the SC advised the CBI to ignore the statement. The events therafter are known to all and to dwell further on this subject would be repetitive and puerile. As for the methodology of the CAG’S audit , whenever financial loss due to any any malevolent decision or action taken by a government functionary , is calculated , they shall fall within the meaning of “presumptive loss”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Sir,

    I am sure we all read same set of newspapers published in the country. But we are allowed to defer on our interpretation.

    I also urge economist / management specialist bloggers to give us a presumptive loss calculation in terms of FDI and erosion of brand value of India on the World stage because of media and opposition’s obsession with so called presumptive loss of 1.76 crores.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    Presumptive loss is only ‘what could have been’ and depending upon which yardstick one uses – the amount can vary. In this 2G case, if one were to calculate in the year 2020 the ’supposed loss’ while comparing it with market price prevalent in the said year above would be more astronomical.

    There can be no statutory provision of ‘presumptive loss’ and there is isn’t.

    Whatever I have read in the news reports, the CAG has not been very ‘convincing’ as to why he chose the figure in the report overriding the figure calculated by the auditor who investigated the matter.

    The alleged crime (as it yet to be proved in the court of law) in the 2G scam is the fiddling (by A Raja) with submission dates, not informing all the bidders and the related bribes and money that changed hands. There is no legal case re: presumptive loss.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    I am really surprised at your assessment. Mr Raja and everybody is focussing on presumptive loss and not the real crime. I believe this is a deliberate attempt by Mr Raja to let the court stay focussed on so called huge presumptive loss and not touch upon the real thing. The court has already shown doubt when CBI came up with 35000 crore loss and question ow can there be such a difference between assessment by CAG and CBI ! Then came the report of just 2000+ crore loss and again another figure of 4 lakh plus crore loss which was not revealed to the public. All these reports will eventually undermine the case of Mr Raja and most probably he will get away.

    The whole world wanted Mr Raja to be prosecuted for 1.76 lakh crore loss. He let himself to be prosecuted for that. So you can not find fault with him ! Most probably, he would walk laughing away to a new glorious political career claiming that in this country only dalits get prosecuted ( He might even mention the case of Bangaru Laxman and Judeo and how Bangaru still fights his case while Judeo is back in action !)

  • Anonymous

    *****************************************************************
    Breaking News :

    “Mayawati’s minister threatens to get Lokayukta removed”
    *******************************************************************

    Vijay/Mohan/Praveen/Shenoy Sir,

    Can there be a better argument than this why Lokpal should not be a constitutional authority ?

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    Pankaj Reply:

    Prahlad;
    would you please elaborate on this argument of yours. A presumably, corrupt minister is threatening removal of Lokayukta and you are saying that Lokayukta does not require constitutional backing to stand upto Minister?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Allow me.

    If these watch dogs do not have constitutional status, then the very act establishing them can be repealed(*). If they have constitutional status, then it will require an amendment to repeal and that makes it wholly more difficult / nearly impossible.

    * Some party in power, if caught in a massive fraud and is subject to investigation by or likely to come under the scanner under of Lokpal/Lokayutkta, can repeal the law, thus eliminating the institution.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Thank you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree it should be a constitutional authority. But a strong Lok Pal is more important than confusing that Rahul’s vision is more important…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hey, you agree with Rahul Gandhi. Should I call you a congressie from now by the same yardstick you use to paint me as such and lot of other things?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahalad.

    UP police is more corrupt than burglars and dacoits. The Lok Pal can be a check as the politicians in UP are even more corrupt thant the UP police…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez Sir,

    I have heard and read lots of horror stories about UP police. We always avoid travelling ( in car ) in night while passing through UP.

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  • Anonymous

    Some friends here talk about tightening what we have, about the supremacy (my a–) of parliament, etc etc
    Each new legislation brings with it another bigger corruption opportunity. Just see the Right to Education law. While its goals are very noble, the state education officials are going to make tonnes of money by harassing private school operators on some class size, number of doors etc.. They have already started extracting money from non-religious, small operators here.
    We do not need SEBI if corporations followed laws. We do not need police if people followed rules. We do not need army if countries followed international norms.

    So, adding another level of checkers with investigative, subpoena, sentencing authority should reduce corruption, because the fear it will induce. (granted there will be a few rotten apples in the 30,000 or 50,000 strong LokPal, but that is better than crores of corrupt ones).

    There is a China option – line them up and shoot. I wish we could do that.

    btw what is happening with 2G, CWG, KG Balakrishnan, Adarsh, JagMohan (YSR baby)… It will go for ever, and nothing will happen at the end. The shooting option is the most preferred one in the short term

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “granted there will be a few rotten apples in the 30,000 or 50,000 strong LokPal, but that is better than crores of corrupt ones”.

    Only few! In which world do you live? This is India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I hope you were not under the impression that LokPal Bill had anything, what so ever, to do with controlling corruption.

    Let me assure you that it had nothing to do with corruption.

    If the objective was to control corruption then there were already available all the laws needed. Had there been a political will to control corruption by LAW then there was no shortage of laws. All that was needed was the political will to do so.

    What is missing from the Indian Political System is the will to control embezzlement. The way Political Power is organised in India that is not possible, YET. Career politician enter politics as a business and not as a public service.

    The LokPal Bill was just another Ayodhya Temple in a different form. It was something that the BJP found that it could use to create Street Theatre and beat the Congress with it. Thankfully, it was less violent than the Ayodhya Temple issue was.

    Right now the Chintan Brigade in Nagpur is busy thinking up the next issue to hold to ransom the Parliament and the Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Absolutely right.

    After the flop show, the Anna brigade is still targeting only one party and has been very benevolent towards the rest – one never knows when their help and assistance would be needed by Kejriwal & Co.

    The RSS/BJP have always held the Congress responsible for its defeats (as if the will of the people and its own shenanigans during its reign do not matter) in 2004 and 2009 – thinking that they had the mandate to rule forever and till date has been in denial, hence these clandestine tactics to destabilize the Government. Of course, the Congress/UPA gave ample trigger points in the last 18 months or so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    I never knew, inspite of myself being a chaddiwala (according to you), that Nagpur has so much power even to hold the parliament (nearly 800 MPS, most of them being secular) to ransom, as you say.

    If you remember, the congress had lost it even before Anna came on the scene. 2G, CWG, Adarsh etc had all happened by then and corrption of the congress party had already got exposed.

    Therefore, it is my firm conviction that this party doesn’t need Nagpur or Ralegan-Siddhi to fell it. Its own corruption and arrogance will bring it down.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes even as a chaddiwala you are a fake.

    Never mind the Parliament and the MPs, the street theatre, the communal riots, both favourite weapon of the Nagpur ideologues, can paralyse a nation, even one as large as India.

    Whilst I am not letting the Congress off the hook, the BJP paralysed the parliament under instructions from the RSS. This damaged the country as a whole.

  • Anonymous

    Viju

    A great civil engineer (and another great son of Kerala – I have to trump it!) is retiring after contributing great for mother India – E Sridharan, after 60 years of meritorious service, after building a world class metro we all can be proud of … at 86 he decided he needs some rest and is returning to Thrissur, his native place. I hope he lives many years to see the “Thrissur poorams” he was not able to see all these years.

    Sreedharan also is a rare bureaucrat who could have made zillions – he managed many huge projects for India such as Konkan Railway construction, metros — but who will retire with his hands and mind clean.

    I hope the new chief Mr Singh will make the metro even better and bigger

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I salute this man.

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    engrich Reply:

    i too

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes, a great man indeed. We need many more like him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ gopi

    Absolutely 100 % right !! I have had reason to meet him twice… I was thouroughly impressed.

    His work — the Delhi metro– will beat all– including jehadis jealous of India, who tried to target it,

    The construction quality is immaculate and delivery absolutely on time.

    I think he should have created a cadre of Indian metro rail services to spread the standards for all cities in India. Friends of mine who took training with Sreedharan worked for Dubai and London metro…

    Yes, his name needs ot be written in golden letters…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Government should bestow him with the Bharat Ratna honour.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree in totality.

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  • Anonymous

    Hi everyone !!

    let us hope that the new year will get us this Lok Pal bill.

    I was extremly sad that welfare of minorites became a pretext for torpedoing the bill. Unfortunately none of the so called *** bearers of minorites have any national agenda in mind. In Moradabad– the Peace party– a total Muslim unit is becoming strong. Sad for all who want a strong progressive India. Muslims who hang around with Christians and HIndus– like me– have no place in such isolationist vision of the Peace Party.

    @ Gopi

    How do you feel that the minorities were MISUSED to destroy the movement against corruption?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Parvez

    The politics of India revolves around keeping Indian Muslims as illiterates– more in this jehadi **** Engrich mould– so that their votes can be sucked in bulk.

    Sad.

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    Ravi Reply:

    It also revolves around painting India Muslims as aliens and therefore dangerous.

    This ensures that the Hindu Vote is consolidated and can be hoovered into BJP votes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody other than some Muslims themselves have portrayed themselves as “different, wanting special privileges”. Congress always played the “fear card”. But the congress exclusivity is gone as the Bihar elections demonstrated. Muslims are slowly realizing they have to get English education; that Congress has been shackling them in the madrasa/urdu school chains (with the promise that “we will let you maintain the exclusivity of those, whereas any other govt will shut these down). Many Muslims will not go for the hypocrisy congress showed when they sided with Deoband against the modern chancellor, the young Imam/MBA from Gujrat, just because he was complementary of Modi – his accomplishments in building educational institutions, educating thousands of Muslims in science, engineering, and medicine; all be damned.

    Ravi Reply:

    Not for the first time.

    You failed to read what I wrote, and the bit you read, you mis-understood.

    I have not denied that the Congress indulges in Vote Bank Politics.

    All I said is that so does the BJP and the RSS. If Muslims are a vote bank then so are Hindus.

    Congress, did not create Deobandi Muslims did.

    There is a long list of communities trying to get themselves classed as OBC, etc with a view to taking advantage of affirmative action by the government.

    engrich Reply:

    to keep india illetrate is brhmnst agenda.it is not for muslims only.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pervez,

    That is the main problem of India. Most of the people vote for the candidates
    of their caste or religion. Politicians are aware of this and exploit this
    situation to their benefit. Education is required to reduce this menace.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Absolutely true.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    No doubt about it.

    With increasing literacy has this menace (if we can call it as such) reduced? Any idea?

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    engrich Reply:

    in india rducayion is gradually brcoming expensive and out luxury.out of reach of general population.happy new year to all.2011 was very bad year for entire world/hope next year will be better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    You have put the whole story in just one sentence ! Yes, you are so right !

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad, Praveen Saxenaji, Vijay Kumar,

    you have claimed that if T.N.Seshan’s was not a constitutional post, he wouldn’t have been able to withstand the onslaught of the political powers. You couldn’t be more wrong.

    Seshan, when he was a babu in Tamilnadu, M.G.Ramachandran, the then CM, called him “you are an idiot”, to which he replied, “yes sir, I am an idiot”. He had no way, short of resigning his job, to take on such an arrogant politician.

    But, when he became CEC, he realised that there was vast power and authority in the post, which had remained unutilised. That was because the babus who preceded him were all only toeing the line drawn by the political bosses. He put an end to all that pushing around and asserted his position and established the undeniable fact that the post had the powers he exercised. It was immaterial that the post was a constitutional one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    You almost got the context right. Mr Seshan realised that there were power and authority attached to the post that were never exercised by his predecessors.When he started asserting all political classes became against him. When pressured, he asserted is constitutional authority status. What I am talking about is just few notches ahead of the timeline you have mentioned.

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  • Anonymous

    New year gift for all the Rahul Chamcha brigade on this blog especially PrahaladK (an expert on constitutional status), Manohar (An expert of BJP/RSS communalism, in Digvijay’s mould) and Ravi (Islamic terrorist).

    http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rahul-gandhi-the-gawky-poor-little-richie-rich-politician-169103.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Interesting article. I read this line some where else which I am copying as
    it describes Rahul Gandhi aptly.

    A Moron will never know that he is a moron for the very fact that he is a moron.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan Sir,

    In the article, the writer talks about the tentativeness of Mr. Rahul. I will give you a small example. In a software/BPO company when a person works way below the pyramid, he is more confident in outlook than the CEO or the top management. The audicity, arrogance and misplaced cockiness of this guy way down the pyramid comes from the fact that the person deals with a very small set of variables and feels confident that he is the master of his world. The guy on the top is in constant fluid situation dealing with both internal and unpredictable external variables. Same thing happens with new boys on the cricket field and their approach changes the moment they get bigger responsibilities. Mr Advani, as orator, is not in the same class as Mr Vajpayee or Ms Swaraj, but he finds his way to connect with the audience.So does Mr Rahul.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahalad,
    Are you a member of Congress Party? Because a Congress or a Islamic terrorist can be so illogical.

  • Anonymous

    PrahaladK has been acting very smart and pushing RahulG line on Lokpal’s constitutional status. He thinks as if this idea is divine just because it was uttered by Dev Purush Rahul. This is Chamchagiri in its worst form.

    Why should there be a separate Constitutional body when we already have all four pillars of democracy? According to me Lokpal should be part of Judicial system totally focussed on Corruption. However it should be more like fast tracked courts with its own investigative wing and prosecution wing. Once Lokpal is part of judiciary, it will automatically be constitutional.

    We know all congressis consider words of dynasty divine but there is limit to ugly Chamchagiri.

    By the way Hamind Ansari proved that he is totally unfit to be Vice President of India. The worst part is that this guy is COMMUNAL to the core.

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  • Anonymous

    Two Irrelevantus bloggers are on the loose.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    talking about urself and Ravi ;)

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  • Anonymous

    Kabhi chutkula kabhi shayeri,
    aaj hai mere peene ki baari.

    Little naughty joke.Today is new year eve and I hope Mr. Sharma will not moderate this

    Rosemary divorced Mr. Lele because she was sick of introducing herself as
    Roz meri lele.
    Imagine her poor luck : she was re-married to Mr. Marlow.
    —————————————————————————————-

    Sharabi naam na do mujhko,
    main to kabhi-kabhi peeta hoon,
    paheli bar aaya hoon mayakade mein,
    roz to ghar par hi peeta hoon.
    ————————————————————–

    My last post of this year. Would love to meet you all guys someday.

    I wish you all a very happy and peaceful new year.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great.

    I too wish you all a very happy and peaceful new year.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohanrr;
    You irreprisble man, very good jokes.
    Happy New year to you and all other bloggers.

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  • Anonymous

    To all
    Best wishes to all, including the two Pakistanis, for a peaceful, joyful, wonderful 2012!
    I am spending new year in Miami, USA — my first new year visit to USA — Brazilians are here in droves — more about that later.
    Well, it looks like Modi/Jaya will have to implement the vision Anna espoused when they take over the reins, which they will in 2014.
    It is a shame Congress played the communal card, reservation of the nominees, etc. BJP was not guilt-free either.
    The question of corruption (because this has been widely covered by Wall Street Journal and New York Times) came up in many chamber/business meetings.
    Brazilians have their own perspective on corruption — they have corruption too; but growth is more inclusive, and they are growing like crazy….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Brazilians have got Extreme politics out of their system.

    Their society whilst being heterogeneous, is more cohesive than ours is.

    Not so long ago Sao Paulo Police used to go out at night and kill poor homeless people.

    Some slums in Brazil are worse than those in India.

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  • Anonymous

    The ignoramus blogger is at it again. Holding “fort” and showing-off his “quarter-baked knowledge” about constitutional and non-constitutional posts. This is not the first time and will not be the last.

    The ground reality – If the post is non-constitutional, then it will be under some Ministry or a Department and naturally answerable to someone and subject to pulls and pressures from above, unlike the constitutional institutions like the Judiciary, the CAG, the Election Commission, etc..

    It makes no difference to him whether a post is constitutional or not. Lessons in Civics and Constitution, anyone?

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi,HAPPY NEW YEAR
    As promised , i will talk about my day today at national gallery for the Da vinci exhibition.Arrived at 07 50 hrs , ALREADY LOADS OF PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE
    Lot of tourist , chinese/japanese. The gallery opens at 10.00hrs,my ticket was at 12.30hrs As you said I WAS BLOWN AWAY
    The arrangement was typically british PROFOUNDLY ORGANISED.Lot of bin bags along the queue , as people queing for hrs will obviously go and buy coffee and thus the well thought out waste disposal.Also a lady came and counted the number queing like in airlines , and also asking the number of tickets one is going to purchase. When the number 500 is reached , a security guard is posted behind the last person , so that no one can queue.THIS IS ORGANISATION , THIS IS WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO BUILD AN EMPIRE.going for my pizza, when i come back will write about the exhibition

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now for the exhibition. Well a blog is hardly a place to express or explain the enormity of the work. The ones that stood out was the Dame and the Ermin, this was a potrait of Da vinci’s patron’s mistress. It was as some one in the internet described , you see , you move on , then you are forced to come back again to see ONE MORE TIME , such is the impact.
    the other is a recently discovered SALVATORE MUNDI , valued at 200 MILLION POUNDS.Here christ holds a CRYSTAL BALL , this looks like a transperant spherical CLEAR glass, which is conveyed with mind boggling realism. The incredible thing is the palm on which it rests .THE PALM IS BIGGER THAN THAN THE OTHER PALM (effect of refraction, as the viewer is seeing through the glass ball)
    One of the drawing was the size of a big picture , the burlington cartoon , mary and angels , IT WAS JAW DROPPING, it was such an incredible piece , that he did not convert into a painting.yet all of it is sketch.
    as you his greatest work is the fresco in milan THE LAST SUPPER, all the drawing that was done to reach that masterpiece, which however is in very poor state , so a replica done by his student some 20yrs later was on display

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Happy New Year to you.

    Although, I have seen Leonardo’s drawings and some his early paintings, I still envy you.

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  • Anonymous

    Just got back from a new year celebration ….all the best wishes for a wonderful 2012 to all fellow bloggers!
    Turned on the Malayalam channel – they were showing Veerappa Moiley, the Central Law Minister, inaugurating Sree Narayana Guru birthday celebrations in Varkala, South kerala..(Narayana Guru was a great social reformer)..

    This is what Moiley said ” We still have caste/religious divisions. The very fact that many do not like caste based reservations at IIT/IIM shows many are not “beyond” casteism”

    This is called Congress chutzpah. This is going to be there line in the Feb/Mar state elections. Rahul G has already played the caste/religion card (one up on behanji) in UP.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys this how corruption should be tackled, JUST LIKE NILEKANI DID WITH AADHAR. recent edition of economist speaks highly about it
    first form an institution INSTITUTE FOR CORRUPTION STUDIES
    identify the source of corruption , prevalence and magnitude ,PLUG it with administrative reform , more vigilance or TECHNICALSOLUTION
    THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE , NOT BY BLACKMAIL

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Although blessed by Sonia Gandhi, Aadhar is running into trouble within congress as well as its allies.

    The grapevine is that govt will stop the funding – for what else – to appease.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mirza Sir,

    Aadhar was a well thought out, well intended plan by UPA. It was deliberately kept low key affair and projected as an instrument to help the mass have access to the Govt. benefits by common man. But the vested interest groups ( black money generator ) have come to know that this would be their death knell since the irregular financial transactions can also be tracked.So in recent months, there have been pressure from various quarters to abandon this project.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Other than vested interests trying to scuttle the scheme, there is a genuine concern by the Ministry of Home Affairs and the security establishment about the bonafides and lack of cross checking of the information so provided.

    Today, anyone (including people from across the borders), who can pass off as an Indian in appearance can simply walk into the registration centre and provide data, no questions asked and Voila! you get an Aadhar card. No checks about the person’s bonafides and on the authenticity of the data so provided are made. This will have to looked into and perhaps a system will have to devised to address this concern.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    It’s actually good. People can walk in and provide their biometric details which can be validated at a later stage and their past family history can be corelated and checked. Data Collection is most critical. I guess it is a deliberate attempt to bring in both genuine citizens and fake ones into the fold. You can not analyse anything if you do not have the basic data. Moreover, at this moment they are providing just a number on a printed slip. At this moment getting all kind of data is important.Politicians without clear vision must not oppose this process. Like decision related to defence, they must have trust the Govt. about its wisdom on the Aadhar project. This project must not be derailed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No matter. Singulate will organise funds from Nirad Babu-friendly NGOs and help Nilekani complete the job, because Siingulate now has the inspiration on how corruption happens in India and how he would and should finish it.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy Sir,

    your comment on my observation on CAG……But, Prahlad has good imagination and has put it to even better use by weaving a beautiful yarn, where the prince, in the end, gets the princess’s hand.

    Shenoy Sir!

    If you have ever observed the weaving process, then you must have noticed that this is an amalgamation of both scientific and creative process. The pattern recognisation and pattern building need skillfull weave of logical steps in congruence with the creatively visualised outccome.The design may be out of the world and not seen before, but THREADS that constitute the design are REAL- seen by all, discarded by most and used creatively by just few.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ how to clear a ~~ NEW(S) YEAR HANGOVER ~~ vijay kumar style ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    At 5.50 on a slightly foggy Sunday morning in Delhi— well my head was a bit fogged out because of the New Year Party. Like I said I am a bit crazy. Can sleep drunk at 3 am , but have to get up early…

    But Pranayam… followed by a morning walk and jog in the chill… cleared all the swirling cocktails… punching my constitution…

    SO HERE it is… HAVE A GR8 new year everyone !!!! :) :) :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir ! Happy New year to you and all bloggers !!!

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  • Anonymous

    Here are my NEW YEAR WISHES:

    Vinodji,

    MAY 2012 BE YOUR GREAT, MEMORABLE YEAR
    MAY YOU MAKE BIG STRIDES AND WITH CHEER
    MAY THERE BE HIGH SPIRITS WITH YOUR DAILY BEER
    MAY THERE BE MANY GLORIES, BUT NOT A TEAR.

    YOU SURE WILL BE A DIRECTOR IN YOUR PAPER
    AND MORE SURE WILL BE AN MP IN OUR PARLIAMENT
    BUT WHATEVER YOU WILL BE, YOU WILL FIND US
    CHEERING AND WISHING FOR MORE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More wishes for the dear ones, friends, not-so-friendly and ………..

    Vijay Kumar, may you be more lively, witty and more incisive in 2012 than in the year gone by. A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU.

    Gopi, Mohan, Ashish,Shoeb, Praveen Saxena, Parvez, Balwinderji, Mirza, Vinoo, Aaloke, Rajeev, Rajiv, Ishwar, Binoy, Prahlad, Raju,

    write more, more often, with more fun, finer logic, greater reason and fullest conviction. A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU.

    Anand, Pankaj, Mishra, Shah Alam and Shan, all great doctors,

    May you all continue to be great doctors, but do prescribe cures for some of the ailments you see on this blog. AVERY HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Thank you for your wishes.

    A very happy new year to you and your family.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx shenoy…

    Till the sun comes out and there is a reason for me to smile… my hand will… hammer this keyboard !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks.

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  • Anonymous

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    ~~~ NEW YEAR WISHES TO ALL– from delhi to New York to… Muridke ! ~~~
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    This is my second post in this new year of 2012 … and here are my best wishes to ALL. Have a gr8 year — family wise (most important), romantically ( very very important), money wise (tere bina zindagi toh zindagi nahin..) , health wise ( batti gul toh ek kilo viagra bhi nahin kuch karegi… ! )

    So here goes my greetings to all…

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Congrats for rising high !! May this new year get u the Rajya Sabha post. And when you get it… call all the bloggers for a luncheon. Your debating skills have dramtaically improved… And so has the demad for your presence. have a Gr8 year !

    @ MOhan

    Keep the jokes rolling ! The last one had me in splits. Reminds me of Gan-pat Rai… jo Delhi mein rehata thaa ! :)

    @ Shenoy

    Your poems and cut and thrust hopeflly will keep the environment gr8 for the new year !

    @ Prabhat ? ? Prahald

    I am not going to try to solve this Ram and Sham mystery. But hopefully this new year u would be on this blog… and also manage to see the world thru the eyes of people who beleive in merit and not fuedal succession ! have a gr8 year…

    @ Dr Mishra

    Hope u get this message in the Ocean and get inspired to go deeper into the sea this year !

    @ Rajiv

    Wait for more analysis on Pakistan this year… Don’t let screamo’s bore you !!

    @ Rajeev

    Where are you partying right now??? Have a gr8 year

    @ Ashish

    Blog par “Tav sab Ashish maange’ par aap to gayab hai… in a party?

    @ Shoeb

    My view is that you are a succesfull secular role model for Muslims . Wish u m ore travelling..

    @ Manohar

    May God give you more wisdom this year… and maybe make u see some new immediate way of ending ghoos taking by the police. A single point agency where I can call up… right now!! Which scares the police from asking for it… :)

    @ Cingulate

    Since you evoke me in almost every post… I would think that this is attention seekign syndrome. Hope God makes you less abusive and more cohesive this year ! Have a gr8 time…

    @ Gopi

    Our wise man. I will definately try out more single malt this year !! Gr8 writing and viewpoints !

    @ Balwinder

    Rabb twade vaste… kuch more millions phaeje !! Balle Balle !

    @ Engirch

    Man never to late to get educated!! Even if your son is in college, you ccould still enroll in a CBSE curriculam nursery and even if you do five years, foundations of true secularism, will wipe out thought to destroy India and Hindus from inside. Wish you re-education !!

    @ Ravi

    The battle which started in Sialkot… will continue this year ! But enjoy urself with booze… and I wish a liberal outlook which does not try to undercut India and indans for u this year….

    @ Parvez

    Keep the analysis rolling boy. U r dling fine !!

    @ Mirza

    More frequent visits required sir ..this year

    @ Usman

    From India best wishes to the real people who should be in power in Pakistan !

    @ Dr Anand and Vinoo

    Gumshudda ki talash mein aapks naam darz ho jayega in this new year !! best wishes !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You are almost sounding like Man Mohan Desai’s Script writer ! I usually try to be around everyday but get turned off by abuses by people on the blog ( not necessarily directed at me ). Only when I see almost 100 abuseless entries I try to participate and move away when people start abusing each other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Felt like Hang Man Desai, till pranayam wiped the hangover…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Vijay !

    Wish u the best this year! I hope I manage to learn something about writing in style from you this year .

    best wishes to all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Thank you for your comment.

    You want immediate solution to a menace which has been with us from the time when God created Adam and Eve?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Err,,, that problem of the apple being eaten by adam has created the population menace !!

    In Europe where the apple is being eaten for the wrong reason…. it is all smoke and decreasing population…

    Anyway, the BJP has go0en onto the streets for the Lok Pal today. The Congress has to follow. Ind the end there will be a bill, with less credit to Anna and more to Congress and BJP.

    Life is funny !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Anyway, the BJP has gone onto the streets for the Lok Pal today. The Congress has to follow. Ind the end there will be a bill, with less credit to Anna and more to Congress and BJP”.

    Aisaa lagtaa hai ke aapki pyaari BJP saDak chhaap party hai. (They have disrupted the parliament the maximum). Sab kuchh saDak par hi karte hain. Advani ji to raaste par hi hote hain – ek yaatraa, phir doosri raatraa aur ab yeh.yatraa.

    Advani’s asset declaration does not include this rath. Then who pays the expense for these yatras – the mechanised chariot, driver’s salary, petrol/diesel, etc.?

    Team Anna messed it up. Only credit the Team Anna gets is to put the issue in the fast lane.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    I should not be saying this… but you are pushing me to say it. I know a bit about the property scene in delhi as it is related to my engineering consultacny work.

    There were two houses in one particular colony. One of Advani and another of an ex PM now in heaven and called secualr. Advani wanted eveyrthing in cheque.

    And our ex PM … his dealers were willing to take 85% black.

    I have no special love for advani. But remember he never got his son as his dynastic succesor, nor made him a big businessman.

    And as far as this fact of the house estate deal goes. Come to Delhi. Both these houses are a 100 mtr away from my office.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why are you changing tracks? I have never said Advani is financially corrupt – there is no proof in the public domain, so I will not cast aspersions on him. The ex PM must have been corrupt – I will take your word about the deal.

    I was only reacting to the yatra part, which you mentioned. BTW, has it not become a joke? Is Yatra a solution for every issue that effects the country?

    About dynasties, We have already discussed that earlier on this blog. Adavni;s is an exception. So is Dr. Manmohan Singh or no in your books.

    About Advani’s ‘not declaring’ rath in his asset declarations, you very well know that what I was hinting at?

    Anonymous Reply:

    for whatever you may think… in my opinion Dr manmohan still remains a hero. he rammed in reforms and free enterprise in a nation straitjacketed by nehruvian socialism.

    He may be a mild man. But remember he only succeeded becasue PV Rao gave him a free hand.

    In my opinion, it is easy to make fun of him, as Digviansh and Rahul always do, but impossible to achive what he did.

  • Anonymous

    Made in India, faked in China, $5-bn loss

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Made-in-India-faked-in-China-5-bn-loss/articleshow/11325880.cms

    Excerpt

    Chinese manufacturers are increasingly “faking” popular Indian products of consumer goods giants such as Dabur and ITC, undermining the legitimacy of brands and causing losses worth as much as $5 billion annually, officials said.

    “A lot of counterfeit Dabur products are made in China. We have conducted at least 20 raids in China but no proper action has been taken by the Chinese,” said Ashok Jain, general manager of finance at Dabur India, the country’s fourth largest FMCG firm.

    He said such fake products manufactured in China with “Made-in-India” tag are supplied across the world, mostly in India and African countries.

    ………..

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  • Anonymous

    I slept at 10 pm last night, too old to wear silly hats and say happy new year. Nothing will change, soon Ravi will be attacking moderate muslims who love their life in India, engrich ramavtar will say praji, I respect you, why u attack me when I say brahmins are bankrolling Obama, cingulate Idiot Dr Shan will say, oh forget it….
    To all my friends here, HNY, Vijay thx for summary.
    I am going back to sleep

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  • Anonymous

    THE TRUEST, HONESTEST CONFESSION:

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  • Anonymous

    Here is an interesting bit of inside story:

    Dream turns nightmare

    Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi are furious with Parliamentary Affairs Minister Pawan Kumar Bansal for the bedlam in the Lok Sabha during the voting for the Constitutional Amendment Bill. Suresh Pachouri, a former parliamentary affairs minister, could be heard remarking in a superior fashion that the job involved much more application of mind than what was shown by Bansal and his team of four junior ministers. While Bansal tried to defend himself by pointing out that the numbers were stacked against them, that did not explain why as many as 13 Congress MPs were missing during the voting, though only two had permission to stay away. Congress minister Dinsha Patel was hosting his granddaughter’s wedding reception in Gujarat and several of the missing MPs from his home state were also at the festivities. Minister for Women and Child Welfare Krishna Tirath pressed the wrong button during the voting and did not realise her error even later when she could have rectified the mistake by sending in a chit. At one stage, even the Congress MPs from Telangana threatened to stage a walkout on the issue of a separate state but they were finally persuaded to vote. No wonder Rahul Gandhi had a face like thunder. Giving the Lokpal constitutional status was his dream or what he called a game-changer.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/too-late-to-stop-vote/894280/0

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  • Ravi

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    ~~~ NEW YEAR’S ROUND-UP — from the depths of my heart ~~~
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    These are my wishes for the selected few on this blog.

    So here goes my greetings to all…

    1. Ashish

    I hope he realises that his analysis, expression and convictions are better than most.

    This coming year, these qualities will bring him success in his business ventures.
    He needs to realise that just because some people have an axe to grind, does not mean that one should not give their POV the respect it deserves.

    है बस कि हर एक उनके इशारे में निशाँ और
    करते हैं मुहब्बत तो गुज़रता है गुमां और

    2. Manohar T

    A soul-mate – if there ever was one.

    Your restraint and subtlety are the rocks upon which your dignity rests.

    For your knowledge, judgement, analysis, power of expression, and above all subtle centrist perspective, for me makes you the bloger of the year.

    3. Balwinder & Dr Mishra

    This pair of unlikely samdhis may wish to gather around when the air is full of हम घर साजन आये प्यारिया, हम घर साजन आये. May be not.

    Both need to learn to stick around and discuss rather than pontificate and run.

    या रब वो न समझे हैं न समझेंगे मेरी बात

    4. Vijay Kumar Khaplodia

    We share so much yet so little, you need to flip your perspective every now and then.

    I look forward to the continuation of our war. Being critical of Hinduism and India, does not a Jihadi make.

    दे और दिल उन को जो न दे मुझ को ज़बां और

    5. Mohan R

    A heart in the right place is better than accuracy of knowledge and analysis.

    Mohan’s hint is better than his statement; with the first one he invites discussion and the second one he kills contribution. More of the first please.

    6. Dr Shan

    The Rationalist and Humanist best cold fusionist of East and West.

    This giant Lives in a different galaxy to the pygmies who oppose him.

    7. Prahlad

    His assertiveness training is paying good dividends.

    A welcome addition to this blog which has brought clear thinking and sharp points.

    8. Shenoy

    Pointless तुक बंधी and other contributions, is the best one can say.

    अबरू से है क्या उस निगाह-ए-नाज़ को पैवंद
    है तीर मुक़र्रर मगर उस की है कमां और

    9. Gopi

    A round Narad Muni in a square hole

    10. Ram Autar

    He is learning that less is more. Long he may continue to learn.

    11. Parvez

    To become less Muslim-like does not mean one has to become more Hindu-like.

    तुम शहर में हो तो हमें क्या ग़म, जब उठेंगे
    ले आयेंगे बाज़ार से जा कर दिल-ओ-जां और

    12. Shoeb and L Mirza

    More like models that ROLL, than ROLE models.

    13. Aaloke

    May your thoughtful contribution seeking the essence of truth continue into this year.

    14. Usman

    Dost aur Dushman ke darmiyan kisi lakeer ki zarrorat nahin.

    15. Vinoo

    Playing both sides against the middle is Machiavellian, to say the least.

    _______________________________________________________________

    हैं और भी दुनिया में सुखनवर बहुत अच्छे
    कहते हैं कि ग़ालिब का हैं अंदाज़-ए-बयाँ और

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi:

    Britain-based Pakistani Muslims like you glorify and justify jehadism..

    Who are you to say that to become ‘less Muslim” so and so does not have to be “more Hindu” as if there are only Hindus and Muslims in this world.. and why do you want everything be viewed in a Hindu or Muslim context….

    Could it be that an Indian Muslim behaves like any other normal Indian and that drives you Pakistanis crazy?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Keep dreaming

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mirza

    Ravi sahab, please let us also have opinions as Muslims. If I follow my heart it does not mean I am demaning Islam. I dont have to love the Peace party to prove I am a Muslim.

    If I disagree with certain things written in islamic religious texts, it is my right. If you mean well for Muslims as an outsider, respect our right to repudiate text and practice. Otherwise you are not a Muslim friend but a friend of orthodoxy. Are you a Muslim as Mirza Says? If you are then retain your original name.

    Anyway have a happy new year

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    Ravi Reply:

    Parvez, what gave you the impression that I do not. Are you reacting to what I said or what L Mirza said??????

    No I am not a Muslim. I am a Mona Sikh as I have mentioned here many a times.

    However, to those who do not like my views, it is an easy attack to just lablel me as a Jihadi/ISI agent/Fake etc.

    Feel free to join them, if that in your view will give you an easy to make arguement.

    The point I made about you remains made.

    Incidently there are THREE people on this blog to whom I have provided ample evidence about my identity.

    You believe what you want to, no skin off my vulpine nose.

    तुम शहर में हो तो हमें क्या ग़म, जब उठेंगे
    ले आयेंगे बाज़ार से जा कर दिल-ओ-जां और

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    That is the problem – to many here what is written is not important. The target is the messenger and all sorts of labels are plastered in an attempt to ‘discredit’ the writer, if the comment(s) are not in line with their ideology and support group.

    I am almost 100% sure and I know why that at least one blogger here, who uses a Muslim alias, but he ……

    There may be others too. As I am not in the business of attacking the messenger, it does not matter which alias anyone uses – their comments are to be dealt with on their merit.

    Ravi Reply:

    Yours is the best way to counter these Fakes

    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t lie on the first day of year. Have some shame.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Thank your the kind words. I am overwhelmed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-
    I hope he stops supporting Islamic terrorism in 2012. No wonder Congressi Manohar is his soul-mate ;) In the new age Islamic terror finds best ally in Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This particular soulmate must be squirming in his pants at the idea of being tagged to a jihadi!

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    Ravi Reply:

    At least he is not tagged as a Sanghi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Leave them to tango in tandem. Their intelligence is limited to only manufacturing ‘cheap’ labels and are in competition with each other to see who is better at doing so.

    They need these labels for the ‘cheap garments’ made in a factory in Bangalore..

  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay

    You have reduced me to a single line !! but anyway will come here more often and try to make meaningful contributions.

    Wishing a happy new year to all.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay

    Good one

    Money wise health !! — tere bina zindagi toh zindagi nahi…

    As a CA dont I know it? For the past two years the government deccision making process is totallyparalysed. Chances are we may lose our high speed growth becasue of paralysis. Frankly Pranab Mukherji is no patch n Chidambran as FM…

    I hope this year will not see us joining the West and Europe– in their path to recession.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress is tired and spent… they need a break..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinoo

    hard fact of life. Paisa nahi toh … dost bhi gayab ho jaate hai…

    Biwi naraaz.. girl friend evaporate… style gayab… yeh hai paise ki power…

    And today as I see the bank balance and the cost of paying my employees by 7th… my hair stand up and I am tempted to dive into bed and dream of new ways of creating opportunity or become an ostrich..!

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody.
    Pratap Bhanu Mehta has written beautifuly.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-c-in-congress/892432/0

    Shekhar Gupta’s article is not bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tragic reality of India. Either people are being being compartmentalized or they demand to be compartmentalized – the politicians are there to oblige.

    One only wishes that affirmative action was solely based on the economic criteria than on any other labels.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar
    Agree that in ideal situation, it should be solely based on economic condition since even a high caste faces most of the discriminations, if S/he is dirt poor/poor, certainly they are inflicted more subtley as compared to dalits. But some sort of reservation for Dalits and tribals is not out of place, but the bandwagon of reservations is now overflowing with OBCs of all hues are jumping in. The percentage of reservation is laughable, which is being doled out. In rural areas, so called OBCs are now landlords and they are behaving exactly in the same manner in which higher castes behaved as late as hundred years. They are present day tormrntors of Dalits. With newly found political power they have become very powerful in rural settings. Why this rambling on my part? for the same reason, that creamy layers amongst them should not have reservations indefinitely. If Mulayam’s family, Mayavatis, still claim reservations, then it is a mockery of natural justice.
    In your last post, you said that you are deeply disappointed by my post but infact that was my reaction to your extreme write up only. I am not all that rigid in my day to day life.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    1) The situation among the disadvantageous sections plays out like this.

    They wish to get of their wretched existence that is but natural. The lucky ones who manage to do so – either by assuming political leadership (also enriching themselves and their cronies as a result) or by educating themselves and going into businesses or getting employed (on merit or via the reservation route) – become the worst enemies of their brethren still in the hellhole. Mulayam, Mayawati, Paswan and Lalu are prime examples. These “worthies” then indulge in the same game of vote-bank politics. If all the bahujan samaj were to get out of their miserable existence and have a decent standard of living, then thse people would always turn around ask – Behenji, who?

    2) “In your last post, you said that you are deeply disappointed by my post but in fact that was my reaction to your extreme write up only. I am not all that rigid in my day to day life”.

    Whoever supports or tends to support any measure or a law (by whoever) that tries to subvert the fundamental universal liberties and rights will always disappoint me. No wonder we disapprove of and lambast regimes like China, Iran and other tinpot dictatorships.

    Never mind, we can let this pass.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj-

    Many issues, including Dalit/Muslim etc, have to be viewed and solved from a regional/state perspective than lumping into an India perspective.
    Regarding Congress, less said is better. They do not have/know any shame to point to the bogeyman standing in the way of upliftment, when the fact is that they were running the country through the family and its caretakers for 50 years!

    As I noted in this blog elsewhere, Veerappa Moiley was here in Kerala to inaugurate the annual “Sivagiri” pilgrimage, honouring the great kerala reformer, Sree Narayana Guru. This is what he said – “We still have a long way to go in removing casteism . For example, many do not like the idea of reservations in IIT/IIMs showing casteism is rampant in the country”… Congress chutzpah! But as Bhanu said there is no opposition party to steer..

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    Ravi Reply:

    So to you all affirmative action can be dismissed as casteism.

    Reactionary twaddle!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    I think creating the unifed Indian is most important. No country has got such an elaborate sysytem of reservations and and society diveiders. We seem to increasing all this every year, Instead school and college education should be the way to demolish prejudice.

    in case school and college text books talked bout an equal society, the debate would be really about dissolving barriers, instea o creating new reservatio formulae every year

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    Ravi Reply:

    The society has been divided along Caste Lines for 1000’s of years.

    Whilst education remains a very important tool in combating such in-equalities, some affirmative actions are also an important tool.

    USA has many such affirmative action schemes.

    I look forward to a mature Indian in which such affirmative actions are no longer needed.

    Until that day, we do not have any other effective means to help those most in need.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are going to be anti-Hindu or anti India, dont bother to reply. However in case you are going to be balcnced read this further on.

    In 1950, our population was 35 crores. So even if we take the highest figure possible, the population of the so called scheduled castes could not have been more than 10 crores.

    Today we are 120 crores and 70 crores are being labelled discriminated against on caste and religious lines. In case in 1950, the effort had been to BLUR caste and religious divides, the story would have never gone so far. But now we are heading to a point where politicians want everyone to be a minority for vote banks.

    Sorry. Affirmitive action is good till a certian point. But a democracy demands creating a mindset of equality thru education.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I am me. You have no compulsion to interact with me. Be my guest.

    But I am not going to compromise my style for any one, least of all you.

    My DTC Bus (No 22/27) used to turn right on to the Parliament Street from just past the Gaylord Restaurant. (Moogle maps my friend, Moogle Maps)

    I distinctly remember that sometime in the 50s there was a hoarding in the spare ground on the left, as you turn right and it read “We are 400 Million Today”.

    The point you repeatedly make that Congress electorally exploits Caste and Religion.

    I do not dis-agree.

    But what you almost always F A I L to mention is that so did the Jan Sangh and now the BJP does. Your own posts spectacularly lack balance that you seek in my posts.

    If you find affirmative action – in the shape of reservations – a flawed tactic, then recommend an alternative. I am yet to see a pragmatic and an alternative solution from you.

    Here is an opportunity.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes Gopi;
    We have to think of ourselves as Indians first, with all avenues available to help dispossed citizens, but it can not be done in the manner, it is being done, where those fissures of division are being cemented in place of being erased.

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  • Anonymous

    BJP seems to be fond of yatras, but not destination..

    Now it is “loktantra bachao’ yatra.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yet another Street Thugary, rather than Parliamentary Debate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parliament debate where Vice President takes orders from Sonia..Good..nice thinking..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    It is high time they rename the party.

    Either
    BYP = Bharatiya Yatra Party
    or
    BDP = Bharat Darshan Party.
    or
    BJP = Bharatiya Jatra Party

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It cannot be Bharat Darshan — because Darshan has another deeper meaning than mere sight..
    The strategist in me cringes as to what I would have done if I were their leader or campaign guru

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is it the case of going round in circles and reaching nowhere?

    If you were their leader/campaign guru/ideologue, I think,

    1) you would need to draw up the a detailed list of priorities, followed by policies and approach on every issues affecting the country, so that it can initiate debates and not just react to the shenanigans of the Congress Party.

    2) No wishy-washy discourses on issues.

    3) Ban rath yatras, except send Mr. Advani on a permanent yatra, so that the rest of the party can get to down to real business.

    4) Stop disruptions of the Parliament.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP has decided to be ‘B’ team of Congress. It needs to get rid of Congressism which means Corruption & Communalism.

    Congress should rename itself as Congress (Islamic) as it has decided just to look after its vote bank rather than all Indians. It is no better than BJP or SP or Muslim league.

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  • Anonymous

    Viju

    I agree on the “unified” Indian approach.
    My point was that several issues are state/region specific issues and not an all-India issue. It is a gross error when sweeping generalization is made that Muslims all over India is backward, or that gendercide is all over India, or Dalits cannot enter temples in India etc..These are not general trends or traits across the country, but specific to certain regions/states.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx Gopi…

    Will definately try to catch up… whenver I reach Kerala!

    U r right. All these sweeping generalisatiosn are becasue fo lazy politicains. I remember my meeting with a guy who was VP SIngh’s right hand once.

    he said that “Arre… it is not possible for the PM to wish that 10% economic growth happens or crime disappears… all he can do is a few dramatic decisions… and when he creates the illusions of handing out jobs— he becomes a hero…”

    The public is not going to see that A’s job has gone to B. It is more interested in what “i” get.

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  • Anonymous

    Viju
    The responses, at times, do not show up under the original blog… For example, the one below was a response to your note; but did not show up under your note.

    btw wish you a wonderful 2012!

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  • Anonymous

    My college assignment fo the winter break is about creating an ad campagn for a car company which has become infamous for quality problems. Can’t help comparing it with the image of our politicos…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez
    Do not get discouraged. Use this as an opportunity to get into politics, straighten, lead etc. Like in other endeavours, there are good politicians too.

    Talking about car/car companies, there are several companies/brands that had quality issues, but came back roaring – Audi, Hundai to name two.

    Wish you a wonderful 2012, and a glorious future! All my blessings

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    I hope it is not Maruti. I have just placed an order for a Swift.

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  • Anonymous

    1) Jetman Flight at Grand Canyon West

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgdIE2t8QkM

    2) Swan Lake by Great Chinese State Circus.

    http://www.nzwide.com/swanlake.htm

    Amazing. I don’t think Tchaikovsky had this choreography in mind when he wrote ” Swan Lake”.

    Enjoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar T, many thanks for the link, what can i say , Holy maccaroni
    Chinese have made a Boti kebab of the original Swan Lake. then again it is performed by STATE CIRCUS , so that is what it is trapeeze act.
    I have not yet had the fortune to watch Swan Lake performed by Bolshoi Theatre in london.I had seen few clips on TV , the music is so delicate ,a bit like Kangana Ranawat ,and the movements so graceful.here the music I am not sure if it was the original Tchaikovsky,
    THEN THAT IS CHINESE FOR YOU
    SUCH INHUMAN BRUTAL OCCUPATION OF TIBET
    DESCRIBES ITS RELATION WITH THE BRUTAL MILITARY DICTATORSHIP
    OF PAKISTAN AS NATURAL AS THE WEATHER

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    If you see it isolation, it is an amazing performance as a trapeze act. Period.

    The Bolshoi Theatre used to be a class act for ’show casing’ Soviet Union and whatever it stood for. Do they still tour the world?

    China does just enough to keep Pakistan in good humour, as their target/goal goes beyond Pakistan. BTW, Chinese backed projects in Pakistan (and in many other countries) are carried out by labour force from China – hardly any employment opportunities for the locals. That is China for you.

    I wonder when will be there public uprising in China for systemic change to a democratic set-up.

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  • Anonymous

    PrahaldK,
    looks like you are the new gang leader of Congressis and Islamic fundoos.

    A pointed question to you. When we already have four pillars of democracy in place, why should we have 5th one in the form of Lokpal?
    Do you want Lokpal to be constitutional body because-
    1. You want to stall it indefinitely knowing fully well that Congress or BJP will never have 2/3rd majority.
    2. Rahul gandhi says so..It becomes God’s word for you.
    3. Like all Congressmen and politicos you are just taking people for ride.

    I have been reading your posts and seen admiration coming from Congressi trolls and Islamic terrorist. I guess every Congressi has become a clone of Digvijay now. I am pretty sure you are not corrupt like all Congressis so I expect that you don’t corrupt honest debate with illogical arguments.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahalad

    That is a 3rd party opinion.. !

    Just glimpse life beyond thte Congress. Imagine u could be dancing with the bottle of rum and saying…

    Freedom !! I dont have to keep praising the Congress now… but follow the voice of my soul…

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    Ravi Reply:

    For all you know, he may be enjoying the freedom from constant praise of BJP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Terrorist,
    It is better than getting doles from Al-Qaida.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Have you heard of “circular references” ?

    Making Lokpal a part of the Judiciary, then bringing Judiciary under Lokpal !

    Do we need to debate ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Most of the people want to keep judiciary out of Lokpal. Most of the independent thinkers don’t believe in every word uttered by Anna & Co.

    Explain how it is circular reference? Just because you have some congressi trolls lapping up your ideas, you think that you have the ultimate wisdom. Seems like you are from Rahul Gandhi school of politics…

  • Anonymous

    I think Shan has been most neutral blogger this year. He has slammed almost everyone with sound logic. He slammed Hindu right and I found Shenoy speechless many time.
    Then he slammed Islam and Islamic fundoos & we found ravi and enrich nodding like zombies because they had no choice. If they slammed Shan, they would have lost a great support.

    Well done Shan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    it doesn’t take much for anybody, least of all a voluble Shaan, to ‘leave me speechless’.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay/Ravi

    USA has an affirmative action, fairly recent (after President Lyndon Johnson), and significantly different from India’s. The main focus being anti-discrimination, rather than any reservations. They do not have reservation for blacks, neither a policy of “mark reduction” – the only requirement that a black (or any disadvantaged person based on race, language etc) should not be discriminated/denied opportunity just because he is a black. I am told that there was no legal issue in denying jobs, college seats etc to blacks prior to this legislation.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    The nature of the affirmative actions may be different, but it is a mechanism designed which provides some people a leg up. Without that certain sections of the society would go into a down-ward spiral.

    Such affirmative actions are common in other countries as well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, the US action does not give any legs up, at the most it may provide that their application is not rejected. There are no reserved seats, no dilution in minimum GPA requirements. With this, there is no stigma that somebody got through without merit.

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is true.

    The Stigma is such a big thing that BV Shenoy uses it to tease Dr Shan.

    However, Indian society is not at the same stage of its development as the USA is.

    One day pure economic criteria will also be used in India, till then we have a wide ranging criteria to use.

    Anonymous Reply:

    well, govt is institutionalizing the stigma by admitting students who have lower marks, and perpetuating the mediocrity throughout the value chain. The unfortunate thing is that one (a minority) who got through merit gets lumped with one who sneaked through the reservation quota.
    Nobody attributes Dr Abdul Kalam inferiority of qualifications, because all know there was no reservation in his time. But today another equally brilliant Abdul Kalam will be dumped into the “reservation bucket”.

    Ravi Reply:

    Most of what you say is true.

    But what is the pragmatic alternative, which does not compromise academic standards yet targets help where it is needed the most.

    engrich Reply:

    mostly the students with high mak leave india.their high mark is of no use to us sbdul kalam is exception.exceptions do not make rule.students frm rich families has many other advantages.admission through donation is resevation.

    hence resevation is must for society to grow evenly.u never know who is genius.bill gate was drop out.ll over history boys from lower
    class made wonders.slum dwellers got the oscar award not the sons of abhitabh bachchans.

    our scientists from high caste with good marks could not made even razor blade of international standards.
    hence resevation is must.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have not used any racial terms to “tease” Shaan.

    It is his intellectual snobbery I and several others have been attacking and I for one would gladly plead NOT GUILTY to your charge.

    Whereas, Shaan never loses an opportunity to run down all Indians, specially brahmins and at times even Muslims.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think this needs to publiscised in India…

    We have gone mad with caste and now religious reservations.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am sure that the powers to be know all of that.

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    engrich Reply:

    but india where bhai bhateejawad is social duty,resevation is must.in india each caste hate other.try to understand internal dynamics of our society.we hate each other.

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  • Ravi

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And never brought to mind?
    Should auld acquaintance be forgot,
    And auld lang syne!

    Chorus.-For auld lang syne, my dear,
    For auld lang syne.
    We’ll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
    For auld lang syne.

    And surely ye’ll be your pint stowp!
    And surely I’ll be mine!
    And we’ll tak a cup o’kindness yet,
    For auld lang syne.
    For auld, &c.

    We twa hae run about the braes,
    And pou’d the gowans fine;
    But we’ve wander’d mony a weary fit,
    Sin’ auld lang syne.
    For auld, &c.

    We twa hae paidl’d in the burn,
    Frae morning sun till dine;
    But seas between us braid hae roar’d
    Sin’ auld lang syne.
    For auld, &c.

    And there’s a hand, my trusty fere!
    And gie’s a hand o’ thine!
    And we’ll tak a right gude-willie waught,
    For auld lang syne.
    For auld, &c.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are still under the influence of cheap London daaru.
    you have stumbled into the wrong forum and are blabbering.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Shenoy
    :) No comments :) But I am checking out Saraiki or Pushtu…

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    Ravi Reply:

    You do the blabbering ALL the time.

    Yet another pointless philitine post by a Sanghi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Please translate this in English.

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  • Ravi

    Mullah Mohammad Fazl, responsible for Shia Hazara genocide in Afghanistan, about to be released by Obama administration

    Mullah was held responsible by the UN for the massacre of thousands of Hazara Shias in Bamian and Yakaolang between 1998 and 2001 during the Taliban rule in Afghanistan.

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    engrich Reply:

    may be he was implicated wrongly.recently henry clinton herself was saying yesterdays allies are todays enemy.now mullah omar is the most peaceful man.he is removed from wanted man list.they are planning to hand over power to him.putting the blame of their defeat in afghanistan on pakistan.

    i dont know when zoinists will release america and this anti-god force returns back to america and leave people of world to live in peace.

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    engrich Reply:

    To get an honour from the Queen you have to be linked to crime, or Jewish, or just unlucky?
    ravi bhai and shan,innocents are sent to jail on terrorism crooks are given obe.here is list.
    In the 2012 New Year Honours list:

    GERALD RONSON gets a CBE (Commander of the British Empire)

    Ronson was jailed in connection with the Guinness share-trading scandal (Rigging the market, false accounting and theft.)

    CHRIS PREDDIE gets an OBE (Order of the British Empire)

    Chris Preddie is the cousin of Ricky and Danny Preddie, who killed 10-year-old Damilola Taylor in 2000.

    Chris Pressie was involved in gangs and sold cannabis until the age of 16 when his elder brother Andrew was shot dead at a barber’s shop in Brixton.

    LORD CARLILE gets a CBE

    Carlile is Jewish and the ‘Independent’ Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation.

    DEEP STATE – MAFIA, MEDIA, MILITARY, MOSLEMS, MASONS, MOSSAD…

    PAUL RUDDOCK gets a knighthood.

    Ruddock has given a vast sum of money to prime minister Cameron’s Conservative Party.

    Ruddock’s firm, Lansdowne Partners, reportedly made £100 million by short selling bank shares during the financial crash.

    RON ALDRIDGE gets a knighthood.

    Aldridge, former Capita boss, has given the Labour Party £1million.

    DENISE COATES gets a CBE.

    Denise Coates is founder and chief executive of the online gambling company bet365.

    PETER BAZALGETTE gets a knighthood.

    Peter Bazalgette brought Big Brother and other spooky downmarket reality TV shows to the UK.

    Frank Walker, who became a member of the Order of the British Empire (OBE).

    Frank Walker was Chief Minister of the ‘child abuse island’ of Jersey from 2005 until 2008.

    Walker attracted much criticism due to his response to the investigation of child abuse centred on the former Haut de la Garenne care home.

    Walker was accused of being part of a cover-up.

    In January 2011 Frank Walker was made an OBE for ‘public service’ in the UK’s New Year’s Honours List.

    The Jersey child abuse was reportedly linked to wider networks

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Phew! That is what one would call research. Other members in the know could vouch for or debunk it.

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    engrich Reply:

    Usey samajhne ka koyee tou raasta nikleMaiN chaahta bhi yehee tha woh bewafa nikle (Waseem Bareilvi)

    this is american way of dealing.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Sir,

    When anti-corruption was seen to be almost like a national mission, Ms Sushma Swaraj made a statement after the debate :

    ” Fulfilling Rahul’s dream is not BJP’ responsibility”.

    ( She was talking about giving Constitutional Authority Status to Lokpal )

    Please help me appreciate this statement from the leader of opposition on a crucial subject of national importance.

    I personally think she behaved like an opposition leader in Delhi Municipal council as if she was debating about some minor sanitation problem in Delhi bylane.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad -

    Are you singling out her for attack? Are you OK with the treasury bench? That time after time, they bring legislation without consulting with their own party members, nor with coalition partners.

    I am glad the toothless cr– will have to wait again..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi Sir,

    Happy New Year to you and your family !

    You are right. I am singling out Ms Swaraj for her illogical statement.

    To me the PM, the Leader of Opposition, the Chief Justice of India, and Constitutional heads matter most.

    The day when they act in a trivial manner, the World gets a clue and the whole chain down the line start acting in similar manner. Come to think of it, this has been the bane of the Indian politics. The top leader trivialises an issue of importance and the whole set of supporters follow the footstep and start making trivialisation as the order of the day.

    Gopi Sir ! Why do you call this Lokpal bill to be toothless? I shall appreciate a point by point indication for a healthy debate. The bloggers can give their valuable suggestions point by point – not in generic sense.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    Allow me. You must have read my posts re: the creation of the institution of Lokpal. IMO, we do not need it, so in sense I can pay a left handed compliment to all those who scuttled (at least for now) it. 187 amendments to a bill, phew!

    The problem with many of our leaders is that they say this and that is wrong (fair enough), but no better alternative is proposed.

    One would wonder what is the alternative to a constitutional status for the Lokpal (for whatever worth the office may be of) and that is where the BJP/Sushma Swaraj is to be faulted. Just because a person who they detest said it aloud, they opposed it and trivialized the matter. They failed to debate it on merits of the proposal itself. For argument’s sake, would they have supported it, if it had come from Varun Gandhi?

    The same pattern is replicated here day in and day out here – attack the messenger and not the message. Attempts to discredit the carrier and hoping the messages will get thrown into the dustbin.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Total nonsense…Typical Diggi kind of argument.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    I have my doubts about efficiency of Lokpal. I am not fully convinced about its role. But there has been demand for Lokpal and there is almost a national consensus on having Lokpal. Now I am debating about Lokpal within that context. What is the best possible options we have if at all we are going to have Lokpal.

    In my honest opinion, we must strengthen the existing laws and systems instead of creating a Lokpal just to supervise the corruptions in the country as if India is out and out a corrupt country and corruption is part of Indian DNA !

    Anonymous Reply:

    As Vinod Sharma’s new write up would be uploaded today as per the schedule, we will discuss this further then.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    “They are a group of extra-ordinary people who enjoy an iconic status in public life.”

    In that case, why haven’t you spoken out on the matter of the flee-dom at midnight which happened in the presence of the prime minister of India, who is also the leader of the house?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Have you heard of something called “Denial of Service” in the context of internet server business?

    An ill-intented hacker typically engineers a very large number of concurrent requests to the server so that the server crashes because of the overload.

    Here, BJP did the same.

    Moving 187 ammendments was nothing but a hacking process for “Denial of Service”, because they knew the Govt. could not have processed those many requests in such a short span of time.

    Shenoy Sir ! You are an intelligent person. I am sure you would look beyond the obvious for your answer !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    Were their actually 187 amendments as
    the governemnt has been claiming and has
    all these amendments sought by BJP only.
    Derek O’Brian of TMC party said that
    one of the ammendent they had asked
    for remowal of all the clauses relating
    to Lokayuka from 61-93. Governemnt has
    classified this as 33 amendements.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Why should they not be 33 amendments. After all some on has to consider EACH of the clause seperately and then decide to accept or reject the proposal.

    In drafting of bills each of the clause has its own change control mechanism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    It should be treated as one amendment only. The discussion is whether lokayukta
    should be part of this bill. All the clauses will not be discussed separately.
    No lokayukta, remove all the clauses.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    One area, yes, 33 clauses.

    In terms of change management each clause is amended in its own right.

    the amendment named on Lokyukta identified all the clauses that the opposition wanted removing.

    The rest is process common to all Bills, not just the Lokpal Bill

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad.

    Kudos. I never thought about it on those lines – Denial of service.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar Sir,

    Trust me, it is. The whole strategy of BJP was based on this idea.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    the figure of 187 amendments is a joke really. As explained by the quiz wizard, Derek O’Brian, Trinamool asked in one single line that clauses 163 to 197 be removed. According to him his party moved a single amendment, but the very wise, yet silly parliamentary minister, Pawan Bansal has counted the amendments to be 34!

    It is a different matter that this minister single handedly caused the most damage to the PM’s credibility(?) besides, bringing the maximum ridicule fore the government.

    I think you can do better than this as a Rahul Bhakt. This title doesn’t require you to swallow whatever has been dished out by Pawan Bhansal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    your bias against the BJP is understandable and I even apreciate your frankness in the matter.

    You are OK with Rahul Baba when he kept quiet most of the time and remained incognito the rest of the time, not speaking one word on the issue which had shaken his own government to the roots. And then the yuvraj takes one hour of the members’ time on a calling attention motion, in contravention of the house rules and says grandly that the post should be a constitutional one.

    Mind you, till he spoke out of turn as it were, none, neither from among the people, nor from the opposition nor from his own party had spoken about a constituional post for the lokpal.

    But, when Sushma Swaraj says she cannot take responsibility of fulfilling ther yuvraj’s wish, you find it strange and illogical. I think the illogicalaity is nearer home in your own case than with her.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    There has been a reference to ” One PM at any point of time” in this blog itself. Mr Rahul has respected that and not interfered out of turn in Govt’s decision / opinion. He has not behaved like Mr. Sanjay Gandhi, I must say.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    1) “There is always a someone who comes out with a good idea first. Why are we so finicky about Mr Rahul Gandhi coming out of this idea first?”

    Finicky! You got it wrong. The right words are paranoia and extreme discomfort. Heavens fall whenever there is a reference to the Nehru-Gandhi family – the number one objects of their hate.

    2) “There has been a reference to ” One PM at any point of time” in this blog itself. Mr Rahul has respected that and not interfered out of turn in Govt’s decision / opinion. He has not behaved like Mr. Sanjay Gandhi, I must say”.

    They do not have the time to appreciate such acts – so busy they are in their primary ‘occupation’ spewing venom against their hate objects.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    you may be finicky, paranoid and also in extreme discomfort, because most congressies are in the same state these days. Even the most voluble, irrascible and arrogant Renuka Choudhary was finicky, paranoid and in acute discomfort on NDTV’s “we the people” yesterday. In fact somebody commented on her extreme discomfort!

    The rest of us non-congressies are amused, happily entertained and provided with much needed recreation.

    But, you can ask the bosses (not the child prodigy) to ban child politicography, like child pornography.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This lady Mrs. Renu Choudhary at the end of this
    programme said that ‘ we are not running a dharamshla ‘ .

  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    Nigeria removes fuel subsidies amid labour unrest fears

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2767929.ece

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Must be a complicated scenario. Being an oil producing country and yet ….worried about expensive oil… as they import the finished product.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We too need to eliminate subsidies on petroleum products, so that US$ 100 billion (Rupees four lac crores plus – more than double the ‘presumptive loss’ figure) is available for infrastructure and development projects.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As per my knowldege and that of anybody who knows actual economics, there is NO subsidy on petro products as a whole. The government charges a cumulative of about 77% taxes on actual petrol production costs.

    Since these taxes are used to fund various government schems including very inefficient ones, it does not reduce the tax componenet in case of worldwide price fluctuation but asks the Petro majors to absorb losses to keep the final prices constant.

    If you add the taxes in the hand of government say Rupees 100, the subsidy is actually rupees 20. In the end the government is actually keping rs 80 in tis pocket while claiming that it is losing Rs 10 by way of subsidies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you suggesting that taxes be reduced? Where does the Government get the money? Half the taxes are by State Governments. No state Government (Congress, BJP, etc.) has made any substantial reduction in the taxes. The taxes and duties collected by the Central Government are shared with the State Governments as matter of policy and practice(*). There should no subsidy whatsoever.

    Rahul Gandhi had accused the State Governments for not spending the money ‘given’ by the UPA Government on welfare projects. it was a very foolish thing to say. The money was not ‘gifted’, but it was the rights of the State Government to receive it – whether they spent it on welfare projects or not is a different matter altogether.

    BTW: Sharing of central taxes and duties is decided by the Finance Commission., a constitutional body (and non partisan) which is set up under article 280 for a term of 5 years. Since 1951 – 12 such commissions have been set up and the members are non-political.The current 13th one will in office till 2015. Check out the list of members below.

    The government today announced the formation of the 13th Finance Commission. Vijay L Kelkar, former union finance secretary and adviser to the Finance Minister has been appointed Chairman, while Indira Rajaraman, emeritus professor, National Institute of Public Finance and Policy, Abusaleh Shariff, chief economist, National Council of Applied Economic Research, Atul Sarma, former vice-chancellor, Rajiv Gandhi University (formerly Arunachal University), shall be the full-time Members of the Commission. Sumit Bose will be the Secretary to the Commission, while BK Chaturvedi, member, Planning Commission, will be the part-time member.

  • engrich

    When the early morning fog rises and drifting skeins from wood fires carry the sweet smell of India, the joggers arrive in Lodi Gardens. Past the tomb of Mohammed Shah, the 15th century Munghal ruler, across a landscape manicured in the 1930s by Lady Willingdon, wife of the governor-general, recently acquired trainers stride out from ample figures in smart saris and white cotton dhotis. In Delhi, the middle classes do as they do everywhere, though here there is no middle. By mid-morning, children descend like starlings. They wear pressed blazers, like those of an English prep school. There are games and art and botany classes. When shepherded out through Lady Willingdon’s elegant stone gateway, they pass a reed-thin boy, prostrate beside the traffic and his pile of peanuts, coins clenched in his hand.

    When I was first sent to report India, I seldom raised my eyes to the gothic edifices and facades of the British Raj. All life was at dust and pavement level and, once the shock had eased, I learned to admire the sheer imagination and wit of people who survived the cities, let alone the countryside — the dabbawallahs (literally “person with a box”), cleaners, runners, street barbers, poets, assorted Fagans and children with their piles of peanuts. In Calcutta, as it was still known during the 1971 war with Pakistan, civil defence units in soup-plate helmets and lungis toured the streets announcing an air-raid warning practice during which, they said, “everybody must stay indoors and remain in the face-down position until the siren has ceased to operate”. Waves of mocking laughter greeted them, together with the cry: “But we have no doors to stay inside!”

    When the imperial capital was transferred to Delhi early last century, New Delhi was built as a modernist showpiece, with avenues and roundabouts and a mall sweeping up to the viceroy’s house, now the president’s residence in the world’s most populous democracy. If the experience of colonialism was humiliating, this proud new metropolis would surely be enabling. On 15 August, 1947, it was the setting for Pandit Nehru’s declaration of independence “at the midnight hour”. It was also a façade behind which the majority hoped and waited, and still wait.

    This notion of façade is almost haunting. You sense it in genteel Lodi Gardens and among the anglicised elites and their enduring ambiguity. In the 1990s, it became a wall erected by the beneficiaries of Shining India, which began as a slogan invented by an American advertising firm to promote the rise of the Hindu nationalist BJP-led government. Shorn of Nehru’s idealism and paternalism, it marked the end of the Congress Party’s pretence of class and caste reconciliation: in other words, social justice. Monsanto and Pizza Hut, Microsoft and Murdoch were invited to enter what had been forbidden territory to corporate predators. India would serve a new deity called “economic growth” and be hailed as a “global leader, apparently heading “in what the smart money believes is the right direction” (Newsweek).

    India’s ascent to “new world power” is both true and what Edward Bernays, the founder of public relations, called “false reality”. Despite a growth rate of 6.9 per cent and prosperity for some, more Indians than ever are living in poverty than anywhere on earth, including a third of all malnourished children. Save the Children says that every year two million infants under the age of five die.

    The facades are literal and surreal. Ram Suhavan and his family live 60 feet above a railway track. Their home is the inside of a hoarding which advertises, on one side, “exotic, exclusive” homes for the new “elite” and on the other, a gleaming car. This is in Pune, in Maharashtra state, which has “booming” Bombay and the nation’s highest suicide rate among indebted farmers.

    Most Indians live in rural villages, dependent on the land and its rhythms of subsistence. The rise of monopoly control of seed by multinationals, forcing farmers to plant cash crops such as GM cotton, has led to a quarter of a million suicides, a conservative estimate. The environmentalist Vandana Shiva describes this as “re-colonisation”. Using the 1894 Land Acquisition Act, central and state governments have forcibly dispossessed farmers and tribal peoples in order to hand their land to speculators and mining companies. To make way for a Formula One racetrack and gated “elite” estates, land was appropriated for $6 a square metre and sold to developers for $13,450 a square metre. Across India, the communities have fought back. In Orissa State, the wholesale destruction of betel farms has spawned a resistance now in its fifth year.

    What is always exciting about India is this refusal to comply with political mythology and gross injustice. In The Idea of India, wrote Sunil Kjilnani, “The future of western political theory will be decided outside the west.” For the majorities of India and the west, liberal democracy was now diminished to “the assertion of an equal right to consume [media] images”.

    In Kashmir, a forgotten India barely reported abroad, a peaceful resistance as inspiring as Tahrir Square has arisen in the most militarised region on earth. As the victims of Partition, Muslim Kashmiris have known none of Nehru’s noble legacies. Thousands of dissidents have “disappeared” and torture is not uncommon. “The voice that the government of India has tried so hard to silence,” wrote Arundhati Roy, “has now massed into a deafening roar. Hundreds of thousands of unarmed people have come out to reclaim their cities, their streets and mohallas. They have simply overwhelmed the heavily armed security forces by their sheer numbers, and with a remarkable display of raw courage.” An Indian Spring may be next

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  • Anonymous

    @ Prahalad

    Well! well ! well !!! So it is still about giving credit to rahul gandhi ! Like I said it is not a bad idea…. but Seshan had probably voiced it earlier. And even Aruna Roy. SO why not give them the credit?

    This is like saying if Rahul switches on the tube light… we all should forget edison and Say becasue fo Rahul, lights exist. And if he dials a phone… becasue fo Rahul and no Graham Bell… phones exist. Arre boss, the time of dynastic worship has gone.

    Gadaffi was not liked nor was Mubarak… all because they wanted to hand the crown to their children.

    Meanwhile Rahul can be heard saying that India is bigger than US and Europe in this nvideo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdZ3VpBX_sM

    Any comments? :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You have definitely read the news about Mr Seshan’s statement but do not remember it properly.

    It goes like this –

    “Based on my understanding of the Constitution and the functioning of Parliament, I have prepared a proposal for the future Lokpal, which is similar to what has been proposed by Congress general secretary, Rahul Gandhi.”

    - TOI : TN Seshan roots for Rahul-like Lokpal
    TNN Aug 27, 2011, 05.03am IST

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are being harsh on the little master.

    You know when a child starts counting, he cannot count beyond 10, because by then he would have used all his fingers.

    When the child grows a little bigger in Delhi, he would think Delhi is as bigger than the world.

    Rahul Baba is at this stage of mental development ( which is why he thinks he is too young to get married).

    But you must give it to our congressi trolls, they would their left hand to make the child a Primeminister. If only the old PM were to move aside!

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  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    Maan gaye ustaad. You are an Anil Kumble… who is not spinning the ball in the public eye but actually is actually spinning the ball all the time. But will all this spin doctoring actually bowl the Indian public with a person who is “gaffe prone?”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    People need to step out of their comfort zone. Make mistakes, learn, adapt and be adept.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    Sir, my remark on an ad campaign of a car model infamous for defects was a hypothetical assignment given to us students ! You can surely buy your Maruti.

    Our management teachers have asked us to create a campaign which first indirectly acknowledges that there WAS a quality problem which the company has adressed and is now wanting to win the customers back.

    I was only extending the similie to the present political situation where all political parties should gear up and present a similar campaign to the public as in the public perception they are united NOT to do anything about corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    Bhai, I am much relieved that your ad campaign talks about an imaginary situation. I wish you all success in making the ad as real as possible.

    Please listen to this old song when you have time: (nothing to do with ads or politicians).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cvoR91p29g

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  • Anonymous

    Interesting article by Shekhar Kapoor.

    http://shekharkapur.com/blog/2012/01/must-the-indian-parliament-be-dissolved-to-protect-the-constitution/#comments

    One of the reader has commented on that aticle, of which I am posting few lines.

    ” On 15 Aug 1947 , all that was signed by the Indian Constituent Assembly was the ‘Intrument f Transfer of Power’ , not a ‘Charter of Independence’. There is a serious flaw in the legal statu of Independence. Many people donot know but the Queen of England has all the legal powers to un-do the ‘Instrument of Transfer’ . Why is India a part of the British Commonwealth at all ?? It is a travesty of mighty proportions ”

    I have no idea if this is true . Will please someone throw some light on this ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I am not sure on what basis, Shekhar Kapoor is questioning India’s independence. Perhaps, he is reading that in isolation and has chosen to omit the subsequent events – drafting and adopting of the constitution of India and proclamation of Republic of India. Check out the following. The Act itself uses the word Independence. It is possible that we were a dominion(?) until January 25, 1950 with the Governor General at its head. Note the last article in the act below too re: the British Monarch.

    It must be outlandish to say (as Shekhar Kapoorhas done so) Many people do not know but the Queen of England has all the legal powers to undo the ‘Instrument of Transfer’.

    Even if it were so, how would they enforce such a decision? By sending in their army? Also, the question to ask is have they done so?

    Similar Transfer of Power instruments were signed to give independence to other colonies, most decided to be completely independent (with its own head of state) or others to be a dominion with the British Monarch as the its head. These decisions were taken by the respective constituent assemblies comprising of the local population. We chose to become completely independent.

    Also India chose to be a member of the British Commonwealth. This decision was ours and not thrust upon us. IMO, it was a wise decision. Moreover, the fact is the British Rule was not all tyranny and loot, and India and Britain parted as friends with lot of goodwill on both sides, as there was no bloody war between the two to drive them out.

    Now what should we make out of Shekhar Kapoor’s article?

    ————————-

    History of Indian Independence Act 1947

    On 3rd June 1947, a plan was announced that was proposed by the British government which included the following principles:
    * Principle of Partition of India was approved by the British Government
    * Successor governments would receive dominion status

    ————

    Indian Independence Act was passed in June 1947, which specified the following:
    * The British rule of India should be over on the midnight of August 15, 1947.
    * An independent dominion of India shall be created out of the United Provinces, Central Provinces, Bombay Presidency, Madras Presidency, the Carnatic, East Punjab, West Bengal, Assam and the Northeast Frontier Agency. The territories of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands and the Lakshadweep Islands are also turned over to the Indian Dominion.
    * An independent dominion of Pakistan shall be created out of the provinces of West Punjab, North West Frontier Province, Sindh and East Bengal.
    * The all Princely states that were officially related to British Empire were made free from all the treaties and relationships and they could decide which dominion to join. Lord Mountbatten thought that if the princely state remained independent within the dominion that may lead to chaos and thus made their accession a necessity of the Indian Independence Act.
    * Both the Indian and Pakistan Dominions would be members of the British Commonwealth and was allowed to leave whenever they pleased.
    * Both Dominions of India and Pakistan were completely self-governing in their internal affairs, foreign affairs and national security but the British monarch will continue to be their head of state, represented by the Governor-General of India and a new Governor-General of Pakistan. Both Dominions shall convene their Constituent Assemblies and write their respective constitutions.
    * The British monarch shall be permitted to remove the title of Emperor of India from the Royal Style and Titles. King George VI subsequently removed the title by Order in council on June 22, 1948.

    ————–

    The Constituent Assembly completed the work of drafting the constitution on 26 November 1949. On 26 January 1950 the Republic of India was officially proclaimed. The Constituent Assembly elected Dr. Rajendra Prasad as the first President of India, taking over from Governor General Rajgopalachari. Subsequently, a free and sovereign India absorbed two other territories Goa (from Portuguese control in 1961) and Pondicherry (which the French ceded in 1953–1954). In 1952, India held its first general elections, with a voter turnout exceeding 62% this made it the world’s largest democracy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks. It was not Shekhar Kapoor who has written this, it was one of the
    reader of that blog who wrote in his post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the correction. I was wondering where in his article he said that and was looking for the above para.

  • engrich

    mr shaan especially for u ,

    Orthodox Judaism treats women like filthy little things
    If a man and a woman are drowning in a river, first they’ll save the man, ‘who is obligated to perform more commandments,’ whereas a woman’s ‘wisdom is only in the spindle.’ In fact, ‘words of Torah should be burned rather than being given to women.’
    By Yossi Sarid

    Get Haaretz on iPhone Get Haaretz on Android If you would like to know the source from which your brothers derive their brazen behavior, go over to the study hall and open a page of Talmud. It’s true that the Torah has 70 faces, but the trend of these faces is clear: The source of the pollution is in halakha (Jewish law ) itself. What is happening in Beit Shemesh and its satellites is not “contrary to halakha,” it is mandated by halakha. And the rest will be told to the grandmothers, daughters and granddaughters.

    Anyone ignoramus knows that the Torah’s “ways are ways of pleasantness,” that “the honor of a king’s daughter is within,” and that “proper behavior comes before the Torah,” but it’s worth knowing more. It’s worth knowing that a woman is unfit to be a judge, and is also unfit to give testimony. She is unfit for any public position with authority. “Thou shalt appoint a king over thee” – a king and not a queen.

    A daughter, commanded the sages, must not be taught Torah, because “the mind of woman is not suited to be taught, but [only] to words of nonsense.” Women are light-minded and have little knowledge.

    And if a man and a woman are drowning in a river, first they’ll save the man, “who is obligated to perform more commandments,” whereas a woman’s “wisdom is only in the spindle.” In fact, “words of Torah should be burned rather than being given to women.”

    A man must say three blessings every day during morning prayers: He thanks God “that He didn’t make me a gentile, that He didn’t make me a woman, that He didn’t make me an ignoramus.” And it’s not proper to speak to a woman too much, since “all her conversation is nothing but words of adultery,” and whoever talks to her too much “causes evil to himself and will end up inheriting hell.” And let’s not even talk about the fate of someone “who looks even at a woman’s little finger.”

    The extremists who spit at women, who call themselves Sikarikim, learned their lesson 101 times and learned it well: A husband would do well not to let his wife go outside, into the street, and should restrict her outings “to once or twice a month, as necessary, since a woman has no beauty except by sitting in the corner of her house.”

    Because inside the house – very deep inside – her glorious honor awaits her: “Every woman washes her husband’s face and feet and pours him a cup and prepares his bed and stands and serves her husband. And any woman who refrains from doing any of these tasks that she is obligated to perform – is forced to do them.” Some recommend forcing her with a whip or by starvation “until she gives in.”

    And needless to say, she is at her husband’s disposal whenever he is overcome by a desire “to satisfy his urges with her.” And if she continues to rebel, he always has the right “to divorce her without her consent.”

    And there are many similar halakhot, only a few of which we have collected here. Nor have we cited everything in the name of the ones who said them, for lack of space. The readers are invited to find the references on Shabbat – and to browse around – on their own; this is a good opportunity for study. We will direct your attention to Tractate Shabbat, which does a good job of summing up halakha’s attitude toward women: “a sack full of excrement” with a bleeding hole.

    Some people will seek to console themselves: It’s true that this is the halakha both m’doraita (from the Torah ) and m’drabanan (from the rabbis ), but that is not what is taught nowadays. But it suffices to listen to the sermon the sage Rabbi Ovadia Yosef delivered five years ago, based on the well-known halakhic work “Kitzur Shulchan Aruch”: “A man must take care not to walk between two women or between two dogs or two pigs, and men should also not allow a woman or a dog or a pig to walk between them.”

    Treating women as impure and filthy begins with halakha and continues with actions. As long as the religious and ultra-Orthodox parties – Shas, United Torah Judaism, Habayit Hayehudi and National Union, none of which have any women in the Knesset – are not disqualified, their nakedness will continue to sing out and the nakedness of the land will be revealed.

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  • Ravi

    Mohan

    Sorry mate, I do not know Scotish Gaelic, but this is the song everyone in the UK sings to welcome the New Year.

    Hence the reason for my post. It was writtent by Robert Burns

    Its translations in Sairaiki and Pushto have been written by Mr Kahplodia, like his dozen other novels, it is waiting for a Publisher to pick it up from a trash can in Darya Ganj.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Auld Lang Syne” is a Scots poem written by Robert Burns in 1788 and set to the tune of a traditional folk song. It is well known in many countries, especially in the English-speaking world; its traditional use being to celebrate the start of the New Year at the stroke of midnight. By extension, it is also sung at funerals, graduations and as a farewell or ending to other occasions. The international Boy Scout youth movement, in many countries, uses it as a close to jamborees and other functions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Hafeez saeed’s wife no 2

    This is ur third attempt at lame humour. Now you have two moe chacnes before the saga of rangilien raatein in Muridke with Wife no 1 and wife no 2 peerformign for LeT supremo would be re-opened… :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    It was as a durect retaliation on your poor jibe at me Sairaiki or Pushto.

    So Khaplodia you can Piss-off you sanghi twerp

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ 2nd wife of hafeez Saeed,

    yes and u can wear ur Victoria secrets lingerie and start dancing to the tune of Umrao jaan’s ” dil cheez kya aap meri…. G _ _ _ _
    leejiye for ur Let Master :)

    Ravi Reply:

    Predictable

    If that is the best you can do, no wonder the trash cans of Darya Ganj are full of your rancid outpourings.

    You are such a slow learner, that you have as yet not even grasped this simple concept that I will retaliate.

    It is my respect for other blogers which prevents me from stooping to your level of gutter politics.

    May God you long life so that one day you realise how misguided you are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think I will not go on further… till there is any further provocation or an attempt to shortchange India or introduce cyber terror and hatred in our country from your side.

    Ravi Reply:

    I will do, what I have always been doing.

    Neither you nor your catamite can stop me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Naturally as Hafeez saeed holds the remote control over the minds of all his wives you are helpless and can only follow his instructions… :)

    Ravi Reply:

    His remote is about the same as the one held by MOHAN BHAGWAT.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    mohan Bhagwat is our man, while Hafeez saeed is .. you know what.

  • Anonymous

    For the history buffs —

    Kerala University (erstwhile Travancore University) celebrates the platinum jubilee of its founding this year.

    The media has been covering the Travancore kingdom, formation of the university etc. It seems Dr CP Ramaswami Iyer, the Dewan, sent an invitation to Einsten to be the VC of the newly formed university. Einsten politely refused indicating he is joining Princeton to pursue his scientific research.

    Prince Balarama Varma, the last king of Travancore, wanted to get the best one for the new university, and Dr CP pursued Einsten.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    That’s interesting !! Would have loved to see a photograph of Einstein in a lungi, r
    elaxing in the backwaters!!

    Coming back to physics , does Kerala rmember ECG Sudarshan of whose work formed the base of Abdus salam’s thesis on unification of electromgnetic forces. And Geoprge Sudarshan;s path breaking works have been the base for at least 5 other nobel prize winners..

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    engrich Reply:

    whatb is happening to trillion dollars solen from public and hidden in temples.
    advise them to invest this in development of kerala.properity u see is from arab money.why temples steal money from market and it their vaults.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich;
    do not want to abuse you. afraid of dirtying my tongue. just SHUT UP, YOU BABOON.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I think this engirch is the first wife o Hafeez Saeed. he is a low paid , low IQ ISI agent with an agenda to hurt India and HIndus… For every gaali he gets here… hafeez Saeed rewards him with a fake 100 rupee note from the ISI press in mingora ! :)

    engrich Reply:

    i am not the first wife of hafez saeed.actually i am first husband of ur mother.u may be my son who knows.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ohhh !! That is what your gur the second wife has taught u !! Oh Boy !! u r a ******… and a ****… as for your birth… maybe a Pandit threw sperm and a pig caught it !!

    HAHAHHA

    engrich Reply:

    pankaj ,kharbon rupees are in vaults of temples.wealth increases by day and night.this money should be return to the people to whom it belongs by the way infrastructure project.

    bhagwan dont need money.people need it.kerala was poorest state till they started going arab countries where they were generously.

    temples remove money from circulation.hence create poverty.hindu religion is big danger to envoirment.u destroy all our water resources.pollute our rivers.i cannot eat even fish from ganga kanpur is full of cancer patience.

    instead of abusing me change ur thoughts.

  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    Just before I leave for my jog… let me toss this at you .

    Why did Rahul and Digvinash Singh destroy itself and the Congress by humiliating MMS time and again and showing him to be weak. By trying to prove that Amul baby would be a better leader they have by default shown the MMS years as wasted…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Too hypothetical. Too far fetched.

    However, I invite you to re-look at the photograph in which Mr Ratan Tata was seen introducing Mr Mistry to Mr Anand Sharma, the minister. Look at the photograph carefully. See the succession plan taking place.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Not hypothetical at all !! Just a top spinner for which no Congressi has an answer. If you are tuned onto the news you will ealsie that the down fall fo the Con gress started from the day Shri mani silencer aiyar was given a fake qualification of an eminent writer and pushed into the Rajya Sabha.

    And the day Digvinash Singh became amul baby’s mentor and tried to demolish all– Chidambram, Pranabda and MMS. As you know the less intelligent would need to make the others look as bad as themselves…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    NOw Now Now !! Kim Song 2 has gone and Kim jond dong bong 3 is coming to power in North Korea.

    The tatas is a business group answerable to making money for their share holders. They dont destroy national parties, dont decimate thought. A nation cannot be compared with a corporate company.

    By your logic, we should wait for the next lot of Nehru Gandhi progenies, twenty firve years hence when this lot retires.

    Arre Prahlad ji, the time of inferiority complexes in front of dynasties has gone. Let us bat for genuine democracy… where the poorest can come to power… and not just fuedal lords…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Unless you see that picture and make a pictorial analysis, you will not get my message. Check it out for the heck of it. A lot to learn.Your effort will not be wasted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ghoda, chatura, chatura,ghoda

    Prahlad, you would do well to be cohesive and intelligible to all, instead of crackinga joke or piece of wisdom, which, we are not sure, even you know much about.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I guess you are playing with abstracts !

  • Anonymous

    Shenoy Sir,

    By any chance, are you suggesting that the deletion of those 34 clauses were not to be studied and the impact analysis was not to be done before taking actions ?

    They were to be deleted blindly on a single stroke ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, if the law was to be enacted under section 252 of the constitution, Lakayukta being a state subject. At one stroke the entire 34 amendments would have been deleted.

    The same holds good for so many others out of the “187 amendments”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I had never observed you talking about Lokayukta as a state subject in all these months while the Team Anna was vigourously campaigning for simultaneous implementation of Lokpal and LokAyukta through a common bill !

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan Sir,

    Even 33 Less would not have made any difference, particularly in that charged environment. Moreover, nobody could have crossed them just like that without proper deliberation. It’s a very minor issue to contest a point.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    saw the picture. Still I dont get it… maybe I am a bit dumb. Well a satisfed Ratan seems to be introducing a man he deems fit to rule his 80 Billion dollar empire … That was my impression.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Please do me another favour. Please search another picture. The picture where Ms Sonia Gandhi is seen to be introducing Mr Man Mohan Singh to the President just before forming UPA Govt.. It’s an old picture, but I am sure you will find it online.

    Then compare both the pictures. And see if you still get the story or not. Trust me, as I promised, you will not be disappointed for your effort.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    Last comment before I crash of into bed. Since the term Lok Pal was coined by Abhishek Manu Singhvi’s father LM Singhvi– BJP MP, should we not give him credit to some extent as we want to give to Amul baba. Of course, Digviansh may just realese his gestapo on poor Abhishek even though his father is no more…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Does that mean AM Singhvi is Sanghi?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No it just shows that the Congress wans to only give credit to Rahul Gandhi… who has been claimed to have thought of the constitutional status thing. But will be loath to give credit to the guy who thought of the ENTIRE idea of Lok Pal– L M Singhvi– since he was a BJP guy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Let a good lokpal system get implemented. The time will tell who gets the credit. We will cross the bridge when it comes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    It amazes me no end that you write columns after columns questioning who should get the credit. Even before you endorse the idea itself ! We all should be all for big ideas. Please go and jump into big ideas in life. Immerse yourself in its benevolence. Enjoy the transformation. Why stand frozen with the thought that your affirmative action might endorse somebody’s idea. If you like the idea, go for it. If you don’t, just discard it. But stop your inner conflict.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    well you were insisting that Rahul and Rahul alone was the game changer in Lok Pal. So I was just seekign your reaction on why not LM Singhvi– BJP MP– and jaitley’s guru, whoc concieved of aLok Pal? Now suddenly u want to change the topic!!

    Cmon !! This is shoot and scoot… !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Typical Congressi… ;)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Unfortunately, you missed the details. I have never said that Mr Singhvi should not be credited for coining the word LOKPAL. I have never credited Mr Rahul Gandhi for coining the word LOKPAL.

    You are pitching on non-essentials.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    a bit of the prescribed medicine may not do any harm if practised in your own life.

    Therefore, my advice to you is leave the pallu of mataji and her innocent baby. Go for the big idea, which is eradicating corruption. Discard the fountainhead of corruption, back the people of India fighting corruption.

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan should only be compared to criminal, thug entities, like Al-Qaida in Somalia. Its an affront and a crime to compare such a criminal state, that has committed a genocide on the minorities by reducing Hindu-Sikh population from 22% at partition to 1%, with anything except the most criminal entities.

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    MULAYAM SINGH HAS LOT TO LEARN FROM TEWARI JI.TEWARI JI IS GREAT ARTIST.HIS BIOLOGICAL SON IS A PROOF.THE EPISODE OF HYDERABAD AS GUV.ADDS A FEATHER TO TEWARI JI’S CAP. TEWARI JI IS ONE PERSON WHO AS A CHIEF MINISTER OF UP ,ONCE LIFTED CHAPPALS OF LATE SANJAY GANDHI AND PHOTOS CAME IN PAPERS .
    . MULAYAM HAS TO LEARN ,HOW TO RETRACT ONCE OWN STATEMENT MADE IN JOSH ( ENTHUSIASM) BEFORE TV AND REVERSE NEXT MORNING.
    THIS IS A GRAND UNION OF ARTIST AND PEHALWAN.

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  • Mo

    Yes Tiwari can help by producing illegitimate children. He cannot be an asset to any respectable candidate. Incidentally, has he promised to part with his property to his only known son who won a paternity suit against him?

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  • Raghavendra

    does MULAYAM need endorsement from a leader like N D TIWARI for post of CM?

    if MULYAM believes that he would get vote of BRAHMINS in UP just because TIWARI’s endorsement means he has gone mentally bankrupt.

    i feel BRAHMINS are the toughest social groups ever to be judged as a VOTE BANK as one never knows how they vote.

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  • office chairs

    office chairs…

    What’s cooking between Mulayam and ND Tiwari? : @ Hindi Heartland…

  • krg’s fan!

    sob sob :( but best wishes for your new life! :)
    i never wrote any comments but thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts. i used to look forward eagerly to thursday mornings (since i’m well behind indian time) and would get sad if in case there wasn’t a new post…i will miss your funny posts a lot and book recommendations as well…

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    Kushal Reply:

    Oh good heavens! Your pseudonym makes me feel like a film star, krg’s fan! Thank you for being here all this while.

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  • Mohit

    I am one of the silent ones, and this post made me sad… but I hope you find the joy of discovery in your new journey… :)
    It was fun reading your blog, thank you for writing it all these years.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thank you for reading it, Mohit.

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  • garima

    Perfect way to sign out without telling us what the something new is. Anyways will
    miss you. Best Wishes for the new start.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Hahahaha! I wasn’t sure whether I should name my new job in a blog hosted by my old job, Garima, so I just let it be. But though I won’t get into specifics, I’ll be doing advertising.

    Thank you for your wishes. :)

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  • Sunipa

    Wish you all the very best for whatever you put your hand to now….Am sure whatever it is, it will definitely be a much more fun thing, now that you will be linked to it. I am one of your silent readers and without your post, my weekend would not start well. But then I was kind of sensing a shift in universe all over since the past month and guess, this is also a sign ……

    Here’s to new beginnings………

    An ardent admirer of your words

    Sunipa

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    Kushal Reply:

    There HAS been a sense of change lately, hasn’t there, Sunipa? It’s a good feeling, thanks for confirming it.

    And thanks for your kind words. :)

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  • Amit

    “Abhi na Jao chod ke……..ki dil abhi bhara nahi”

    But if you must go……..we wish you all the best

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thank you, Amit. (And as an aside, did I really have to QUIT to get you to say something?????? Hmmm.)

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  • N Ramesh

    So sad to know this Kushal:

    It was a sheer joy reading your blogs – very simple and to the point written and one could connect with your thoughts easily.

    All good things invariably come to an end.

    Best wishes from an admirer and regular reader of your blog. And it takes lot of courage to start from scratch after 20+ years.

    I am sure all readers of this blog will agree with me on this – you are a rare breed of writers – totally unbiased and without any specific agenda – unlike – so many paid media journos.

    Best Regards

    N Ramesh

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks, Ramesh. I will admit I am getting more disillusioned by Indian journalism by the day, but actually there are fewer ‘paid’ journalists than you think. Actually, there are many, many journalists who truly believe in their job.

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    N Ramesh Reply:

    Thanks Kushal:

    While there may be few paid journalists – there are plenty of biased journalists who try to force their views on readers instead of presenting facts. Also, I find that tribe of recent generation of journalists passing out of institutes can not write without any spelling and grammar mistakes.

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    Kushal Reply:

    With your latter point, I agree most heartily. But I wonder what you mean by biased journalists. If you agree with what some journalists say, do you believe they are unbiased?

    N Ramesh Reply:

    Well. I was naive and foolish with agree with some of the celebrity writers and like many midddle class Indians – Radia Tapes destroyed the faith and respect I had on the journalists.

    I grew up reading articles of Kuldip Nayyar, H.K.Dua which had clarity, views and were pleasure to read and remember.

    I still remember the spoof Indian Express carried during 1989 elections on Congress Poll Ads. Every day IE carried a nice and hard hitting spoof on the previous day’s ad by Congress.

    It is rare to find such articles in Main stream media.

    The pleasure of reading a newspaper – from first page to last page is totally gone.

    By the way, your act of cleaning up motivated me and I now have an uncluttered working table and I have thrown away lot of stuff I was keeping including my cell phone bought in 1996.

    Best Regards

    Ramesh N

    Kushal Reply:

    You make a good point, Ramesh. A very good one. Thanks for the reminder of the good times past.

    And glad I inspired your clean up, honestly, it is SO liberating to just chuck out everything that clutters one’s life. In every sense. :)

    N Ramesh Reply:

    It is liberation of course to clean up. I wish I can so easily chuck out cluttered past and flush them out of mind.

    Please don’t stop writing. You may have decided to shift out of journalism. But you can be a writer and should launch your own blog. You have a short but committed readers and we will all love to interact with you in your blog.

    Best of luck once again

    Ramesh N

    Kushal Reply:

    Even the past is not so hard to clean up, provided you have it clear in your head that it’s nothing more than clutter, just like your 1996 cell phone. I know, I’ve done it. :)

    N Ramesh Reply:

    Very true. One has to just decide the shed the excess baggage. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kanikadhupar Kanika Dhupar

    I started reading this column when it came on the editorial page in the Chandigarh edition and have loved every piece of your writing, be it the blogs or the longish pieces in Brunch (my favourite ones: We are like this only, Independence Day cover story).

    Not only you are the finest but the funniest writer who gives a message with the right mix of clarity and simplicity. I am glad to see you happy but this column shall be missed.

    Cheers Bunny, here’s to new beginnings.

    Lots of love and hug,
    Kanika

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks, Kanika. We’ll be in touch.

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    Kanika Dhupar Reply:

    I am going to hold you, to that promise Bunny :)

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  • Parvana

    Hey K, new adventures…must hear all about them! Good luck and God speed. :)

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    Kushal Reply:

    I may startle you with a phone call, Parvana. Grin.

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    Parvana Reply:

    Look forward to it…away from 7th May to 12th June but anytime before or after is good. :)

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  • sunila gupte

    I came across your blog by chance,in Sept 2009, and since then it has been a must read for me! Some nostalgic, some raves (the early ones) some straight from the heart, but always, always calling one to read them and holding one’s interest.
    It requires courage to change and give up the known and familiar, but then, there is also a time to move on. Wishing you the very best in your new venture…may it be exciting, exhausting, alive and what you wanted and needed.Good luck, Kushal, and thank you for the lovely blogs which i will miss.

    Why can’t you continue your own blog? You have enough people to follow it. Its been great knowing you, really…

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks, Sunila.

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  • sunila gupte

    BTW, only started reading Brunch because of you, and enjoyed it

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  • Tsinha

    Kushal,
    All the best for new beginnings! How exciting! Be in touch, I think you have my contact details?

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks Tsinha! Yes, we’ll be in touch. :)

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  • N Ramesh

    Hi Kushal:

    Hoping to read some new articles from you before you become part of ‘Past Bloggers’.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/waqar.haider.5059 Waqar Haider

    All the very best for the future.A bold decision.

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