The tale of four M’s

Why apologise and to whom?

The trustees don’t have a problem and as far as I know the host NGO’s don’t have a problem either. Whose money is involved here, Mr. Sharma?

She tarvelled Economy and the NGO(s) paid her for a Business class – saved money for her NGO. Where is the problem?

I don’t know about the college seat incidence, however; would congratulate you for bringing this out in public domain once again. Even if you worked a bit harder, you wouldn’t have found any such misdemeanor from any Congress/UPA leaders of the incumbent government who are absolute saints.

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Vinod;
partly agree and partly disagree with you. You are equating Kiran with Gandhiji, Vishveshvarayya or plenty others of 30s and 40s of last century. Those standards of fiscal honesty and even scale of corruptions are now only stories. Fiscal honesty and corruptions are on a different scale altogether. Having said this, I would still have felt better, if Kiran would not have resorted to this maneuver. But present attempt to highlight this, looks like comparing taking a wrong turn on road to mowing of sleeping persons on footpath, while doing drinking and driving, which is favorite soiree of our high and mighties. Kiran is one of the few of our best civil servants, I can recall in last 50 years or so. Those officers were of legendary reputation, be it from Administrative services, Police or Army or any walk of life.
Yes, you are also not very harsh on her, but even this mild post appear to bring this infringement into limelight.

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Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

you have, in the first part of your essay, been fair and honest in outlining the character of Kiran Bedi from your own association with her.

But, it is the latter part that you have been too clever in destroying, with words which are silken but, at the same time cutting sharply, apparently honest but cunningly vicious in their hurtfulness.

A minor misdemeanor cannot otherwise be so ferociously attacked if it was honest in its purpose. It is patently dishonest of you to “advise” her: “Kiran, you know I am your well wisher. For the last thirty years I have had nothing but your good at heart. So listen to me and apologise; even now it is not too late. You may also withdraw yourself from the high profile do-gooder civil society activist. I am advising you for your own good. See, the government of Sonia Gandhi is all powerful and it has already destroyed your and your team’s character; (if you don’t believe me, read my blog, where a chela of mine has clearly said governments should not be antagonised, you should co-perate with it and get your work done)”

If Dr. Manmohan Singh, the epitome of honesty and personal integrity, can pretend that he is a bonafide resident of Guwahati (Assam) and become the prime minister of India, why cannot Kiran Bedi apply for her daughter’s admission from the north east quota for a medical seat?

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Vinod Sharma to Kiran Bedi:

” Dear Kiran, I have got an affidavit about your character. It is on a CD. Believe me, it is a genuine CD, not like the one I had for Prashant.”

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Can Vinod Sharma ask Rahul to apologize for LeT comments?
Can he ask Digvijay to apologize for wild remarks against everyone?
Can he ask MMS to apologize for ‘Muslim first’ comments?

When is Mr.Sharma going to apologize for Bhushan CD?

If it is matter of apology, I think UPA and especially the Congress needs to apologize every second for rest of their lives for what they have done to damage India with their divisive politics and scams in last 7 years.

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Vinodji

Well written and a balanced article.

If she says the excess money went to her NGO, I believe her. Having said that, she should have not resorted to roundabout way of getting funds. She should have made direct payments to her NGO as part of fee structure, then whether she travelled economy class or even 2nd class by train, it wouldn’t have mattered.

Frankly, one does not know what to make of her decision to return the excess fare amount to the sponsors/organizers of the events/meets, she attended. Is it admission of inappropriate means to get funds for her NGO or is it something else?

This revelation has dealt a blow to her image. An apology would have certainly helped her to regain any lost ground.

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@Plonker Ishwar, The point vinod Sharma is trying to make is that PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNOT THROW STONES AT OTHERS.the mijoram saga is a fact.Jyoti Basu’s son who later married his own daughter’s girlfriend, got admitted to srinagar medical college through Sheikh Abdullah’s CM quota. That imbecile didn’t last more than a year.
The point is CORRUPTION IS INEVITABLE IN A POOR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY , even USA has recurring problem of corruption.Bernie Maddox, milkin and junk bond , World com , ENRON etc.
But Bramhinicalscums are not interested in the NDTV programme HUNGRY KYA , for their interest lies some where else. THEY HATE GIVING BRIBE , BUT HAPPY TO DODGE TAXES, be it while purchasing house (lower value on paper , so less tax paid to govt).
This IDIOTIC MOVEMENT IS DIVERTING ATTENTION FROM realissues, that is HUNGER MALNUTRITION / NEED FOR QUANTUM LEAP IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION, 100%COMPULSORY EDUCATION ENFORCED BY LAW.

Govt can create CENTRE FOR MONITORING CORRUPTION , to flag up the cases, just like we have CENTRE FOR MONITORING INDIAN ECONOMY

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Its not your fault; ‘ Vinod’ literally means JOKE ! Happy Diwali for giving the ruling party a little comfort.

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Mr Sharma, is just part of the Congress game plan to dig/manufacture dirt on all members of the Anna Team. Plain and simple.
In case of Kiran Bedi, the funds went for charitable purposes and not in her swiss bank account.
Does Mr Sharma, as a journalist, have even 1/1000 th of the same sensitivity and standards to judge other public figures like Rahul Gandhi ?
No, he is busy maligning Kiran Bedi , gleefully couched in his fabricated and utterly and wilfully dishonest concern for 100% probity.

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Flavour of South is mising from this blog. Where are Gopi, Shoeb and Raju ?
And havent heard from Binoy also since quite some time. I hope everything is
ok with you guys .

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This is what Anna says.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278752

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How many journalists have apologized for playing Dalal-Dalal as revealed by Radia tapes?

Mr.Sharma is yet to apologize for defending congress on all corruptions and finally coming out with CD co-sponsored by Digvijay and Amar.

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BRUTAL HUMOUR ON BLOG- haha”””””””””

Rajeev- I owe above lines to Amitabh Bachpan…Pehle uska sign lao…

SHENOY- Vinod Sharma to Kiran Bedi: ” Dear Kiran, I have got an affidavit about your character. It is on a CD. Believe me, it is a genuine CD, not like the one I had for Prashant.”

Sorry Vinod ji, please do not mind. Like I said once before, Genghis Khan’s grandfather Kabul Khan had playfully tweaked the Chinese emperor Holoma’s beard at a dinner. I have noticed that both Shenoy and Vinod tweak each other from time to time.

PS- in real life, Holoma had been outraged but as per courtesy, waited till Kabul had crossed the border before he attacked. There followed generations of war and a few crores dead.

One hopes Vinod and Shenoy are of gentler dispositions

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Vinodji

Basically you want Kiran to admit to a non existent crime. And then say she is as bad as your pal who gave you the seedy CD– the mahapurush and Mahadalla, Amar Singh Dahla???

Cmon… sthere is no crime in her actions. It was just a way to collect money for an NGO.

Was she dispersing favours a la Raja and Kanimozhi…
Was she writing tained journalism like Barkha rani and Vir Snaghvi?

Was she selling the country to dalals like Quotrochhi like Yuvraj’s father did?

NO ! NO !!! NO !!!

So the base of your article is mischievous and plays the COngress game of trying to make everyone look corrupt.

Sajan re jhoot na bolo
Khuda ke pass jaana hai
Na haathi hai na ghode hai..
Bas paidal hi jaana hai…

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Vinod Sharma demanding apology from Kiran Bedi is like Hitler asking Mahatma Gandhi to apologize for Chowri Chowra violence.

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From the comments on this blog it looks as if ..
Every Monday, Mr Sharma comes to this blog in a new Sari claiming virtues and chastity and its then followed by Draupodi’s ( I mean Vinod Ji’s ) vastra-haran.

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what india want is ghaddafi,not anna,some unknown facts about him,

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $750 billion – now frozen globally

Great Man-Made River project in Libya… $27 billion
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
Which other leader has done much good to his people besides

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There was a case against Digvijay regarding his involvement in Shopping Mall scam. Has he apologized for the loot?

He said now that RSS is defending Bedi, Anna is proxy of RSS…By same logic, Digvijay defended Azamgarh terrorists, Maoists and the Kasab & Co., does that mean Digvijay is proxy of terrorists?

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Let us play inference-inference Congress and its media style-
1. Digvijay’s father was Hindu Mahasabha member.
2. Digvijay’s brother Laxman Singh was BJP member till last year.

So can we infer that Digvijay has ties to Sangh Parivar.

This game seems to be very logical and interesting.

Vinod Sharma accepts everything coming from Digvijay Singh even the CD. As Digvijay is connected to RSS, Vinod Sharma too is Sanghi that makes HT Sanghi.

Digvijay Considers Rahul and Sonia his leaders and as Diggi is Sanghi so are Rahul and Sonia Sanghi which in turns makes Congress Sanghi.

Congress had relations with Saddam..so Saddam is Sanghi..

Wow!!! I have a totally different worldview now.

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SORRY, BEDI AFFAIR IS MINISCULE”””””””””””’

so I apologise at this digression, but on Zia’s blog on Modi and ‘the cap’, I posted the following comment-
‘ Jaffer, nice sentiment by a muslim- If Zakir Naik says do not accept prasad, then Modi has every right to refuse the skull cap. But I think, Jaffer, that we need to ascribe to a higher plane than that- one of harmony, love and co-existence.
Z Naik is a bit of an idiot, what with his disgusting views on apostacy etc. But I expect higher standards from my leaders. Double digit growth is one thing but building bridges is a long term investment worth quadruple digits. I, an Indian, a hindu, am deeply disappointed that Modi did not wear the cap.

If Gujrati muslims had taken such a big step and come forward in such large numbers on the fast, then he should have reciprocated. The souls of 59 passengers and Ehsaan Jaffrey would have rested in peace. ‘

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Bedi was not personally benefited. So what is the crime anyway – at best it can be a mistake.
Compare this with robbery in braod day light, in Indian parliament (cash for vote) of Congress men and women.

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@Dr Mishra,
Modi and his spokeman have clearly clarified , including producing the person before the press who as per congress had allegedly offered the cap, that no cap was offered to Modi so the question of decling a cap, does not arise.

This is just more congress-media manufactured trivial bakwaas.

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@engrich, Gaddafi did lot of good , but at the end he was a DICTATOR and MAD.
health service is not good , i know a lady from calcutta who went to Libya as a NGO ,died of minor illness due to lack of treatment. In fact shown in TV here in UK ,the people of libya complaining that Gaddafi family if they need treatment they go to abroad(a bit like India) , but for local people the treatment is threadbare.
BOTTOM LINE IS HE COULD NOT MODERNISE THE MIND, stuck in the rut called Islam. Same happening in Tunisia , the party most likely to win is going to implement SHARIA. No wonder ARABS GET KICKED AROUND LIKE STRAY DOGS BY THE WESTERN POWER.
At the end of the day KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND KNOWLEDGE IS RATIONAL AND SECULAR AND NOT SUBSERVIENT TO KORAN OR HADITH OR GITA OR BIBLE.
WHICH MEANS TOTAL FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
Therefore Autocracy will be replaced by Theocracy, like IRAN

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CREDIBILITY OF HINDUSTAN TIMES OR CONGRESS TIMES IS ALL TIME LOW.
VINOD SHARMA HAD NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE WRITTEN INDEPENDENT
VIEWS.
I WONDER ABOUT FATE OF NATION WITH SUCH PAPERS OR JOURNALISTS.
VINOD JI DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO PEEP INTO PAST OF ONE CONGRESS TOP POLITICIAN FOR CHANGE.HAVE YOUR OWN CHOOSING.
PL WRITE SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE EVERYONE PROUD OF YOU.
LEARN TO SWIM AGAINST CURRENT.

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Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.

“Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY

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Citing the Tamil Nadu connection of all those who are facing the music from CBI, Swamy hinted at Sonia, too, getting into trouble. “It is better the jail authorities in Tihar be ready to make pizzas and spaghetti,” he said taking a dig at her Italian origin.

The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
“It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

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The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
“It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

One of the companies had links with global terrorist Dawood Ibrahim who is hiding in Pakistan and another company had close association with the Chinese army.

“The allotment has put India’s security at great risk as in the event of a war, Indian military communications could be jammed,” he said.

The hawala racket is being used to route the bribe to foreign bank accounts and most of the hawala agents have Pakistani connection. The huge money is then being brought back for investing in the country’s stock market. Swamy cited the frequent upheavals in stock market to this hawala influence.

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IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
“Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
“Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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I wish we Indians too are as creative and bold as these pakistanis.

Satire at its best ‘Mei maa ne banay aloo anday’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEpnwCPgH7g&feature=player_embedded#!

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Having seen Kiran’s life works in the Bharat sarkar service and outside, incl. a short assignment with UN, I wish such a slip or oversight could have been easily avoided. Knowing human frailities, many of the world class orgns incl INGOs have developed systems (transparent & fair) to handle such travel and admin issues in a just and reasonable fashion. For instance: UN agencies calculate and offer one lump sum to many a official travel assignment that saves time, resources and needless bureaucracy.

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We are talking about tickets being donated to charity. What happend billions of rupees swindled in Common wealth, frequency license, bofors.

Guess who is complaining , Vijay Singh who is a part of this corruptive Govt and also has criminal records in his political career

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What apology..? Certainly no need of that for a person of the stature of MRS BEDI ..as it is just a techinical error..done with some simple sincerity..
This is hide &seek game between ANNA TEAM & both the main political parties , as they dont want ANNA & its team to succeed.

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Prahlad

“Team Anna is quite balanced”.

I liked that.

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~~~ VINOD JI ASK THE CONGRESS AND AMUL BABY TO SAY SORRY
ABOUT BOFORS CHORIS, GHOOS RISHWAT ~~~
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First of all Kiran bedi did NOT rake kickbacks or ghoos or rishwat. That Rajiv Gandhi, Amar Singh Dhala and Raja did While Digvinash SIngh batted for the LeT…

They need to say sorry. Not Kiran

In fact Rajiv’s descendents should return the Bofors kisckbacks to the poor and Dalits of India, from whom the money was stolen…

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Mr Vinod Sharma admits that “ The money so accrued went to her NGO and was used for visiting voluntary organizations incapable of picking up her travel expenses.”
Thus admittedly there has been no wrong doing on her part . So why should an apology be sought from her. If it is being asked with other motives…to muddy the waters … to question her bona-fides to participate in the Janlokpal movement …to sully her reputation for challenging the corrupt Govt of the day …that many of us believe to be … then it is sad .

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Kiran Bedi overcharged us for travel, says NGO

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2568506.ece

On how many fronts is she going to fight her battles? Wouldn’t her fight against corruption would take a back seat?

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Naastik Karuna Nidhi called on a real flesh-and-blood goddess to get favours for his daughter, Kani Mozhi.

His aastik wife, Raajaathi Ammal, went to to the temple of a real goddess to pray for the same Kani Mozhi.

The flesh-and-blood goddess told him: I have ordered the CBI to demand the immediate release of Kani Mozhi. I couldn’t talk to the judge because there is some net-working problem. She would be home for deepawali.

The spiritual goddess assured the mother: Let your daughter celebrate diwali in the company of fellow Thiharians, she will get her freedom on 3rd November.

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Well said.

Telling this to her supporters and fans is like pouring water on a duck’s back.
They are defending her with all the “resources” at their command.

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RAJEEV, u made me furious. Pl u aplogise to Dr Shah Alam straightaway, calling him muslim cos u disagree with his views is outrageous. There are few ppl here with very rich life experiences like Mishraji, Gopi and Ashish who are driven away by ugliness on blog.

Dr Shah Alam whose posts I normally like has made trrrible diagnosis this time. Dr saheb, pl u answer , is headache same as neural cancer? Hint, u equate ! Rupee theft with trillion in zurich. Pl let us get trillion bak dr shah, then u and I will go after kiran with sottee, u may spank her as u seem to hate her so much.
I say sorry to u on behalf of rajeev

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@D i c k head sandhu , headache is one of the first symptom of Brain Tumour.Keep to your Kabuterbazi. The point is 100 lokpal will not be able to eradicate corruption.
Shouting corruption corruption is one thing PROVING IN A COURT OF LAW IS OTHER. Just like Tony Blair and MI5 defended their misadventure by calling it a “oversight” or “acted on the basis on best available information” etc.
similarly this SCAM had its seeds sown right at its inception. It has 100% to do with FAKE/PSEUDO (like ball sandhu) patriotism.NOT A SINGLE INDIAN COMPANY HAD ANY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, YET THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO BID.
This kind of false patriotism is what Tagore warned his countrymen against.See satyajitray’s film HOME AND THE WORLD.If GOI let all foreign cos bid in the first place NO SUCH SCAM WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE.These indian cos were JUST BUYING THE LICENSE , then to be sold on to the foreign cos.Just like SKYTATA, what is TATA’s contribution technically NIL. might well be only SKY.
Like it used to be KALYANI SHARP, what a joke.

FAR MORE IMPORTANT READ ON
There was a programme in newsnight , BBC2 , how Massive global food shortage is prompting Venture captalist from london to invest in farming in Zambia.
They have bought130000acre single plot(yes you are reading it correct) farm.
THIS IS INDUSTRIAL FARMING AND ECONOMY OF SCALE
The BENEFIT , PRODUCTION OF CORN WILL BE INCREASED THIRTY TIMES(Again you are reading it correct).
This is what INDIA NEEDS NOT KIRAN BEDI’S NAUTANKI IN RAMLILA MAIDAN.
ALSO OUR PM PM MMS may be an average economist , HE IS NO INTELLECTUAL GIANT AND HE SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS SCAM

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~~~ WHY the CONFRONTATION with KIRAN MAY TOPPLE THE CONGRESS~~~
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Using a sold out media the congress may be celeberating smugly that it has managed to tar all who opposed it.

Fact is, it has lost a lot of credibility and probably will lose 2014

However taking on Kiran is a different ballgame all together.

She is gutsy and knows the law. She has all the contacts in the police who will give her details of Congressi crimes….

And the fun would begin…

Maybe Rahul Baba and Pranab should become PM fast. 2014… bbharat ki janata ka hai… dynasts aur sycophants ka nahin…

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Bappam,

elsewhere I have written about my personal meetings with her and also my opinion of her. And I entirely agree with you that the police department is the most corrupt among all government departments. Therefore, her service in the department should speak for her for its selflessness, incorruptibility and honesty.

I have read some of your recent posts in HT. You should visit this blog too often and share your views with the rest of us regulars.

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Normally I like to respect doctors but DR SHAN hiding under new ID Cingulate is an exception. You cockroach did u read what I wrote, headache is not same as brain tumour. One billion ppl will get a headache once a year, maybe a few may have brsin tumors.
Dont know why I argue, ishwar and many others has slready called u asssswipe, pl fade away most ridiculed specimen on blog

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British Sen,

can’t you please see the difference in the issues involved?
Vinod Sharma hasn’t accused Kiran Bedi of corruption,,but Kiran Bedi is fighting the politicians on the issue of anti-corruption bill jan lokpal.
What she has done can at best be described as indiscretion or misdemeanor of a minor nature. Do you think both are same because now the corrupt politicians are getting hand-clasp from the media?

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shan,ravi mohan_t good and revealing article on libya,

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http://dondebar.blogspot.com/2011/09/libya-and-big-lie-using-human-rights.html

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That is a revelation.

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The campaign against laws to check corruption, as led by Anna, is not directed against individuals. This is about laws and enforcement mechanism that would apply to everyone , of all political parties, in an effort to curb corruption and make government more accountable.

No individual Congress leader has been targetted in this agiation. Its not about individuals. Period.

However In retaliation, Congress and its Congres paid media ( by now readers of this blog should have first hand knowledge of it ) has embarked on a campaign directed against individuals who are leading the agiation.

Its shameful and indefensible.

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Guys have you forgotten Ramalinga Raju and Satyam. Corruption is not exclusive to Govt , private sector is even more corrupt, WHICH LOKPAL WILL NOT TOUCH

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DR SHAH ALAM”””””””””

You have a big heart to forgive and ignore the pointless communal jibe thrown at you. Incidentally, I had come to your office in Aug and was intrigued to find no nameplate ??

1. Now to business. Ashish is right many priorities are linked- illiteracy, healthcare poverty etc, but corruption UNDERPINS them all
2. My pet priority is population control, it is frightening. I alone on this blog beat a very lonely drum about it.
3. The most important point that you have ALL missed is this- we may all have a list of slightly different priorities, but since MILLIONS OF PEPLE, ACROSS ALL CLASS AND RELIGIOUS DIVIDES ARE UNITED ON THIS ONE ISSUE, then sieze the opportunity. It may not come again for ? decades.

This is what I think Balwinder praaji was trying, I think to say in his rustic way. And not to appreciate this basic point, is to my mind, Shah and Manohar, almost traitorous. Good night from Yorkshire, Sirs, it is getting chilly now here.

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Dear Shahji;
Thanks for your post to me. I will certainly call on you at your OPD on one of the suggested days.
I will restrict myself to your post addressed to me. I am sorry to understand that you have considered me more blind than a blind person, who can not see the support Bedi is getting from various people. Yes, she is getting lot of support, alright, but not for the subterfuge, she indulged in. Every serious blogger has hinted and pointed out that what she was doing was not correct but Rai ka Pahad aur Pahad ka Rai banana, this kind of practice is also reprehensible. Many of our media people have specialized in this field and I wish we had jouranalists, who would report, analyse and let us hoi polloi, know what is what. A clear schism is discernible in Indian media, where most people are with establishment and true function of journalists of being a watchdog for people has been relegated at the altar of privilages and perks. I am not including Vinodji in toto in this category, but wish, he was more balanced in his reporting. One of the very powerful tool in democracy is the fourth state, apart from Judiciary and Opposition etc. My arguments were on those lines.
Now, if we speak about illiteracy, Poverty, Communalism and various other ills thriving in present India, which includes corruption as well, which has assumed gigantic proportion, why one should not raise one’s voice against them? This group is raising their voice against corruption, let other groups come forward and raise their voices against these ills of indian society. what is the point in blaming this group and suspecting ulterior motives behind this. May be, their methodology is wrong, may be there is lot of confusion amongst them, but I think that people who find fault with them should suggest ideas, should throw ideas for public debate etc in place of finding fault with present group.
I hope, you will throw some light on other problems, I / you mentioned above and your method of dealing with them.
Regards

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THIS IS HOW CORRUPTION IS PREVENTED , NOT GHUNGHAT ACT IN RAMLILA MAIDAN OR ANSHAN BY A DIMWIT EX HAWALDAR, now read on

An inefficient payment system is leading to an annual loss of Rs.1 trillion for the government, and this can be tackled through an electronic payment model, management consulting firm McKinsey and Co. said on Monday in a report titled Inclusive growth and financial security: The benefits of e-payments to Indian society. The report was commissioned by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

A major chunk of this leakage—nearly Rs.71,000 crore—is part of the government welfare schemes to households, the McKinsey report said.

Current payment flows between government and individual households, including subsidies and social services to individual citizens, is around Rs.13 trillion.

According to the report, transaction costs account for 15-20% of total losses to the government and overhead and administrative costs around 5-10%. Leakages account for 75-80% of total losses.

Transaction costs are associated with cash or cheque payments at payment source and destination, and overhead and administrative costs are a result of manual payment processing, audits, and payment reconciliation. Leakages are caused when payments of benefits or for services are diverted to unintended individuals or groups, the report said.

According to the report, the adoption of e-payments will help increase transparency of financial transactions and catalyse financial inclusion.

“Over 83% of the savings will potentially come from welfare schemes where the extent of inefficiencies is often higher than 30%,” said Naveen Tahilyani, partner at McKinsey and co-author of the report.

“Consider the fact that current payment flows are mostly meant to serve the poor and the financially excluded, and that with e-payments, the savings in welfare schemes alone could translate to approximately 15% of the average income of a poor household in India, and you have a compelling case for instituting an e-payments model,” he said.

With a view to mitigating the wastage in the current payment flows, the report recommends setting up an integrated e-payment infrastructure throughout the payment chain and creation of a centralized network for electronic transfers at all government departments, accessible and convenient transaction points in rural areas and a tamper-proof identity authentication infrastructure.

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Wishing everyone a very peaceful & a happy Diwali
and
a prosperous new year.

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More dirt is being dug out.

Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

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Happy Diwali to everybody. May this Diwali brings lots of prosperity
peace, joy and happiness to all of you.
There are very few buildings in Dubai where we dont see any lights otherwise
almost whole Dubai is iluminated with lights of different shapes and colours.
Whole city looks beautiful in the evening.

HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL OF YOU.

CELEBERATE AND ENJOY.

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~~ HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL~~ and let us celeberate next year by killing the corrupt~~
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Dr Shah and Manohar, of Faizan and Farrukh”””””””””””’

First of all apologies, in my passion for India I do get carried away in my choice of words. I did say ‘almost’ traitorous, haha
In August I took a trip to the Taj Mahal. The driver was Farrukh a poor muslim from the Rajasthan Haryana border and our guide for the whole day was Faizan a young collge undergraduate from Agra. Political animal that I am you can imagine the opportunity I had to debate with two muslims from different socio economic strata of society.

We went through the usual- Faizan slightly perturbed by my criticism of Aurangzeb and my praise of Dara Shikoh and Akbar etc etc. The lack of educational excellence in the small town and rural muslims, the rise of radicalisation in their community etc etc

BUT WHERE THERE WAS TOTAL AGREEMENT WAS THAT THEY CONSIDERED ANNA AN ANGEL AND THE MOVEMENT THEIR OWN- sorry they had not picked up on the cynical sneer of Barkha Dutt and Jawed Naqvi. Farrukh in particular had a culture that employed age old Rajasthani hindu rituals and his muslim identity was accidental. Like mine- an accident of birth.

He had in fact been asked by his panchayat to marry his elder brother’s widow- I think he called the ‘rasam’ – veervattu- but I could be wrong. And wherever I encountered waiters, shopkeepers, photographers, gardeners at Sikandra etc- there was a boiling anger at the looters elite, and a feeling- OUR TIME HAS COME

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so on this occasion Shah and Manohar, this NRI had more of a feel of the poor man’s pulse in India- better get back to work- this blog will kill me.

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I am waiting for the day when Mr. Vinod Sharma would write a similar blog on Sonia’s trip to the US.

I would see if he writes about:
a) the nature of her illness
b) which hospital she was in and for how long
c) who accompanied her
d) which Indian doctor recommended the hospital
e) which Indian doctor was with her on the trip
f) was any detour made to any of the tax-havens
g) who dis she meet
h) who paid for the expenses

If you don’t tell us Mr. Sharma, one Mr. Swamy certainly will.

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This blog space, which is suppose to deal with Indo-Pak issues between India and its evel, corrupted at birth twin Pakistan has degenarated into anti-Anna crusade by Mr Sharma.
Just look at last 3 blogs. 1. Aanna’s Kejriwal playing BJP proxy 2. Anna’s maun 3. Apology ..Kiran Bedi are all part of smear campaign by Congress.

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Happy Diwali to you all.

As far as Kiran Bedi’s issue is concerned, I think aggrieved parties should file FIRs against her and let law take its own course. I think Kiran Bedi should resign from Core Committee but still stay associated with IAC. I think she was targetted because the way she mocked politicos at Ramlila Ground.

I get a feeling that most of the Indians don’t even understand what is corruption and what is not. What Kiran Bedi did was not purely corruption but it is definitely border line case. Had she pocketed the money, I’d have called her corrupt.

Now coming back to Jan Lokpal, I think pressure should be applied on this govt. because there is a clear attempt by this UPA govt. to divert the attention of the masses. It has worked in the past but may not work in future.

I heard she used Mizoram Quota to get admission for her daughter..This reminds me of someone who used fake domicile certificate from Assam to enter Rajya Sabha. Looks like these kind of things are way of life in India. I can say with 100% gurantee that all of us here have committed at least one financial corrupt act in our life but does that mean we actually wanted to. The Indian system is tuned in such a way that no one can escape corruption. I remember that around 1994, one Ticket checker was severely beaten up by other TCs because he was honest and refused to indulge in corruption.

It is congress party who has ruled India for 50+ years that has nurtured corruption and made corruption as way of life in India. It is responsibility of Congress to work with others to eradicate corruption. It is only Congress Supremo Sonia and Prince Rahul who can take effective measure to curb corruption in India (their Jagir) else they should be kicked out. If Gora Sahibs can’t do it then who would.

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Vijay

You earlier wrote in response to my query.
“The whole thing is being twisted to a mega amplifier. The money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor.

Why is tax payers money used for z category security for the Yuvraj???

Even when he goes motor cycle racing on a private track created on famers land by Vadra and the DLF scions…

That is misuse of tax payers money. Am waiting for your answer Manohar…. ”

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I trust you have read the links I mentioned in earlier. I repeat them for your benefit.

1) Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

2) Trustee of Kiran Bedi’s NGO quits, claims his reputation tarnished

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Trustee-of-Kiran-Bedis-NGO-quits-claims-his-reputation-tarnished/articleshow/10488306.cms

3) Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal: Not the perfect role models

http://www.sify.com/news/kiran-bedi-and-arvind-kejriwal-not-the-perfect-role-models-news-columns-lkyxvvfbhch.html

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1) Money saved by lying to the world that she only flies business class? Wasn’t she getting enough funds for her NGO? The rebates she gets from state-owned Air India is tax payers’ money.

What was the need to lie, if indeed the money was going for a good cause? If by honestly telling that she needs money for her NGO, perhaps people would have given her more than the fudged amounts.

You say – the money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor. Then why has she decided to return the difference?

As someone pointed out – netaa aur doosre kare toh chor, kiran bedi kare toh charity.

I can see now what awaits her – invitations will dry up (who will trust her), as her credibility has taken a severe beating (never mind where the excess money went). That is where Vinod’s suggestion that she should have apologized has so much merit. Perhaps, you will not appreciate that because your heroes/heroines are not supposed to apologize – “jab galat kaam kiyaa hi nahin, to maafi kyon maange”. Right?

Next time you create “gods” to worship, please be extra careful, one never knows what lies beneath. You may also review your present gods and see if they are worth worshiping.

2) I am equally appalled that our money is spent (rather wasted) on providing Z+ security to many of our politicians, who do not deserve it or are not entitled to it. However, you seem to have a problem with only Rahul Gandhi. What about L K Advani, Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre’s whole family and others? You seem to have no objections to that and I know why – you need not answer. Just as L K Advani is a only an MP, so is Rahul Gandhi. The Thakres do not even hold any constitutional or political office. (*)

Your obnoxious prejudice is there for all to see. I am not even disgusted by it.

My apologies, if this seems to be too harsh a response. Have a great Diwali and a prosperous new year.

* Who is paying for the air-conditioning bills for the jailed BSY (accused of corruption)? Tax payers or ????

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@ Everybody;
Belated happy Diwali.
I have been reading posts here and getting impression that current problems of corruption and terrorism are being given short shrift in favor of malnutrition, illiteracy, poverty etc. These problems are with us since millenium, at least. Terrorism and corruption of this scale has occuring since last couple of decades. Any government or every government swear by upliftment of poor, eradication of illiteracy and malnutrition, but few have a scintillating record on this front commensurate with money allocated and all that. Obviously, either money is siphoned off or implementation is so poor that funds remain unutilized, both reflecting on poor governance. Reality is that for maximum number of years, congress was in power and at some places in absolute power. It carries bigger responsibility for this dismal picture.
Corruption and terrorism are deeply interlinked, these are burning issues and have potential to destroy Indian state, after which, no body will be there to look after our masses, who are so weak to face the 21 century world and history may not repeat itself in a very grotesque way again. In my opinion, Corruption and terrorism should be dealt in a bipartison manner as the better governance should be, when situation has improved. Little to hear from participants on those lines.

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~~~ SOME GOOD NEWS ON DIWALI DAY ~~~~ before i rush off to a card and scotch session ~~~~
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~~~ AND of course worship Godess laxmi ……

Before I start this posting let me clarify, why I said I am about to rush off to a card and scotch session. Becasue sir, in the double standard environment of this country, this statement would be used to vilify me… that how can a a guy who has scotch and plays cards can talk about corruption. Shame on him. has he ever felt the pain of the poor … is he not a right winger… celeberating Diwali… and my God.. scotch and cards… a real debauch!

And O la la.. Laxmi ki puja bhi….

But my idea is to see positives for a change.

The primary reason I am writing this is to spread some optimism, on where I felt progress on tackling corruption has been made. SO here are my few examples… and why probably it happened.

a) Honest officers on top:
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The Delhi metro with which I have a few dealings is largely an honest organisation. All becasue of a Guy called Sreedharan. So a honest , dedicated guy at the top can make a difference.

b) Computerisation:
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To get a birth certifcate or a death certificate in Delhi would take ghoos, patience and rishwat. I was pleasantly surprised to not that becasue fo computerisation things have changed largely. Smilarly the greater noida authority will give you all dues/txes on your proerty at the press of a computer button, something which all other authorities in India make you slog your balls for. and Ask Rishwat for. So while the officers may be still dishonest, the computer has at least blocked rishwat from one front.

c) Privatisation:
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DESU, the electricity board in Delhi was the pits of corruption. From getting a meter to getting it repaired or a line repaired… everything was impossible without bribes. Now it is largely corruption free because of privatisation.

d)A vocal public:
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Shopkeepers at a market a kilomtere away from my house had to pay hafta to the cops just to keep them happy. But one day all the shopkeepers got together, bashed a cop and complained to the commissioner. Things have changed since then.

e) Better systems:
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Taking an auto or a Taxi in delhi could leave you open for a fight with the driver as he was 1000% going to overcharge you. However Now, with prepaid taxis/autos available at various points and radio taxis available… things have changed a bit.

THIS IS of course a small list in a country of 1 billion.. Maybe there is a lesson for everyone in this…

Anyway… HIc… hic… just opened the scotch … wish me luck for 3 aces in teen patti…

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@ Bob

just got my head examined.

it is still tilted towrds people who fight corruption…

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@ Ishwar, SONIA ILLNESS

IS baar puttar changi gal nahin kitti. Bhaut kharab baat, why Sonia should reveal her illness to all if she does not want to. Shame on all of you who keep raising this issue, maybe it is private matter.
Would u like to tell the world about your mothers hemorrhoids or about your Dads ring worm infection ? Pl u leave good lady alone on this point. And Subramanian Swamy is now one point irrelevance talk show. What a waste of talent. At times like this I think we are not mature as nation.
What do our 3 wise doctors, Shah, pankaj and Mishraji say on this medical ethics issue? Pl sirji, u advice
ps, DR SHAN idiot of cingulite, ur opinion not asked for

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@ Everybody;
My two posts have been eaten away by moderator. Not in a mood to repeat them.
One was for balwinder and another was to Vijay.

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My apologies.
They were there after all.

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SONIA’S ILLNESS”””””””
Respect to you praaji for your very direct approach. Yes, illness is a very private matter and when we trained at AIIMS, where many celebrities and politicians were treated, we were taught rigorously not to discuss their illnesses with friends and relatives.
Balwinder, your comment on demanding to know the stature of everyone’s haemorrhoids was brilliant. Black humour and straight to the point as always, praa you never disappoint. Enough said

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@Bloggers etal. Looks like America’s war with pakistan may well be a possibility.
There was a programme in BBC2 tonight called THE SECRET PAKISTAN.
There was nothing unique in that documentary, it was about PAKISTAN PLAYING DOUBLE GAME , and how ISI is actively directing taliban , and that is RESULTING IN US AND NATO CASUALTY.Now it is not as if west suddenly woke up to this fact yesterday , THEY KNOW THIS SINCE GEORGE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE(read Bob Woodyard’s OBAMA’S WAR). What was galling is the fact that PAKISTAN APPARENTLY AIRLIFTED TALIBAN FIGHTERS TO SAFETY WHEN THEY WERE POUNDED BY USA .
Now this programme to me looks like BUILDING UP PUBLIC OPINION, because the tone and tenor was PAKISTAN IS EVIL. And the timimg is striking.
Also edited interview clips of former army chief Aslam Beg saying Taliban is our blood and flesh so it is natural they will get sanctuary in pakistan.
Read the above with the Karzai interview to GEO TV , where he says “KHUDA NA KAREY PKISTAN AUR AMERICA KA JUNG HO”.Now this was said impromptu , and WHY SHOULD THIS QUESTION ARISE , karzai must have some access to some information for his foreboding.
I invite manohar t , shah alam ,rajeevs, and others for there take on this very grave scenario.

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/282732/deepening-the-pakistan-india-divide/
Generally, I do not go for links from Pakistan but this was from pervez hoodbhoy.
Do indians harras Indians who wish to visit Pakistan?

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Balwinder ji,

you have chastised Ishwar for wanting to know the details of Sonia Gandhi’s illness and the expenses the Indian tax payers would be bearing.

Please permit me to say a few more things on this matter.

When Sonia Gandhi didn’t adopt Indian citizenship for sixteen years after her marriage into the first family of india and then suddenly she decided to become an Indian, when Rajiv Gandhi’s ascension to the throne became a mere question of time, many people questioned her motives, but were told “it is her private matter, who are you question?”

When Indira Gandhi was assassinated, she took her children and took refuge in the Italian embassy. Then too some people questioned her lack of faith in the Indian state to protect its citizens, but were told, “it is her private affair, who are you to question?”

She had given false affidavit to the election commission that she is a graduate from Cambridge university, and the country believed it to be true, until Subramania Swamy proved in the SC that she is a mere certificate holder of a one year English course run by a tutorial in Cambridge village. Sonia Gandhi then told the court, “it is a clerical mistake”. ANd the SC “requested” Dr.Swamy to leave the matter at that.

Similarly, about her religion. The SC told the petitioners, “It is her private affair, who are you to question?”

But, now, because the tax payers are footing the bill, in my “humble opinion”, the aam aadmi has a right to know how much was paid out, for what kind of illness, whether amount paid out was commensurate with the illness and treatment given, etc., etc., etc. Whether she gives it herself, or whether Swami takes it out from her party and government or whether some aam aadmi gets it under RTI query, matters littleas long as the right of the aam aadmi to know it is accepted.

Therefore, in my “humble opinion”, Ishwar has the right to know. In democracies, holy cows are anachronisms. S

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Vijay

You wrote

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Manohar…

I would like to know from you — that if you have five people in mind– who have the popularity, power and guts to finish of corruption?

can you name them//

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A) Corruption is as old as the advent of mankind.

B) Finishing off corruption not possible. Yes, minimize it to maximum extent as possible.

C) One wishes that it could be done by 5 or 50 or 500 such individuals, but they cannot be everywhere all the time.

D) How to minimize it. That is the question.

The Kejriwal & Co.’s prescription is not the way. With creation of parallel bureaucracy (Lokpal). The more the bureaucracy more the corruption.

E) If you recall over the last several months, we have been discussing this in the earlier blogs, so a lot of what follows has been said before.

01) Decentralize the power down to the village/town/taluka levels. We do not need a massive and unwieldy power set-up in Delhi and in state capitals. IMO, half the ministries and departments are not at all needed (half the corruption automatically gets reduced!).

02) First and foremost with this decentralization, we need to start building / creating water security in units mentioned above. Rest of the development and infrastructure would follow as a natural next steps. (it is preferable for the people in smaller areas to keep track of the shenanigans of those vested with powers to take decisions).

03) Food security and healthcare + education for all especially the downtrodden.

04) The funds required for 02/03 must transferred directly to the units mentioned.

05) In another post, you have mentioned
(a) computerization and
(b) privatization of utilities and government undertakings

has helped in reducing hanky-panky and minimize corruption. That is the way forward.

05) Our law enforcement agencies – the police, the CBI, etc. need to be made autonomous independent of political interference – like the Election Commission and CAG.

06) Our judicial system, which has ground to halt, needs to be expanded and bottlenecks eliminated. We all know the adage – justice delayed is justice denied and in out country it has taken a “criminal dimension” – delayed almost for ever.

07) All appointments to the bureaucracy and related services to be say on 10 year basis. Today, a person is in government service, it is impossible to dismiss him for any misdeeds. Every ten years, there would be opportunity to get the deadwood and the corrupt out of the system.

08) The political parties should not put up candidates with suspect credentials.

09) Plug the loopholes in the laws and acts that give scope for corruption.

10) We, the citizens, should not look forward to shortcuts and bribe our way to get things (whether legally entitled to or not) done or to jump queues.

F) This may sound utopian, but then there are no shortcuts. Now the big question, how do we make our leadership do this?

You too must have realised a group of few dozen people (K & Co.) trying to force the government to do its bidding has had a very limited success. The fact these individuals are getting mired in controversies is not helping matters. Recall that our independence movement was not restricted to few leaders who by agitating in front of the Viceroy’s House made the British shiver and they left. It was a countrywide movement.

If civil groups are to be formed to presssure our political leadership to get down to brass tacks and get serious, it has to be on much larger scale – say 5000 or even higher volunteers per state and spread geographically to begin with, the numbers will grow. Forget the huge crowds one saw on the TV screens – majority were voyeurs (or to use the Punjabi equivalent – tamaashbeens).

Another big question, who will take the lead in doing so. I wish I could give you a definite answer and name the 5 or 50 individuals. There are certainly few in mind, but would they be willing to dirty their hands so to say? As of now – Kejriwal and Bedi would certainly be not in that list. Rather we need another Mahatma Gandhi and he is nowhere in sight. No easy solutions. That does not mean we should not strive to better our lives, we must. Again recall, we got our independence after more than 40 plus years of active struggle. We certainly do not need clowns to lead such a movement, this struggle is not a circus and not a political fight.

I hope I have answered your questions satisfactorily. Perhaps, others can come with a better and faster solutions, would like to hear from them.

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Vijay,

Diwali celeberations are still on. At this age should cut down on eating sweats and
drinking but diwali roz roz nahin aati. I also play cards regulary but not teen pati
and not on diwali. And if anyone takes objection on our occasional drinking
this is for them.

Sharab peene se kya kaafir ho gaya mein ?
ded chulu paani mein kya saare imaan bah gaye ?

Happy diwali and happy new year to all of you.

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Vijay,

You have confirmed what Shan had been advocating that computerisation
will bring down the corruption level by some extent.

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@ Mohan and Manohar

Of course computerisation would and has bought down corruption to some extent.

I did not discover it… neither did Shan. But yes, effective computerisation will bring down corruption substantially. For example calculation of arrears/taxes/ amounts by departments which are a major souce of corruption can be tackled by computers. This makes it dispassionate and even a bad person in charge of the department cannot do anything to fool the public.

However…

The big issue remains the neeyat of the person in charge of the country/state/Ministery.

Here is what ex HT employee and Vinodji’s seedy pal, Amar SIngh Dahla did with computers.

In 2005, the NOida authority announced a public draw of 2000 plots. All these plots had market valeus running into crores each.Amar Singh Dahala and Mulayam SIngh were running UP then. SO Amar Singh Dahla had a smart plan. HE FIXED THE COMPUTER PROGRAM so that all the plots went to the powerful !! HA HA HA.

Here is a list of some people who got the plots

a) Justice Sabharwal ex CJ of supreme court who was to listen to the AMar SIngh tapes.

b) Amar SIngh cohorts, his benamis and JayaPrada. Mulayam’s family– Shivpal singh etc

c) All judges and SDM’s in important positions. And some MPs

There was a huge outcry. Even the International Dahala and Vinod ji’s seedy friend thought it was prudent to cancel the draw!!

MORAL of the story: Agar dahla raja banega toh CD se leke draw fake karega… aur
————————— Computer ko bhi fix karega

HA HAHAHAH !!

Nice to start the Vishwakarma day with a laugh which will take care of my Chivas and JOhny walker hangover….

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@Vijay Khap brain kumar. I have serious doubt if you are from a reputed university or one of those cow belt ones. Amazing . If it is open auction , you dont need a computer, you dont need a programme. You need a container full of balls marked 1 to 10. now it will be given a spin and the five or six balls will drop one by one , depending on the number ascribed to applicants. Whichever number matches will get the plot.NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IS IT. That his MISTRESS and other worthies got it , is because of DISCRETIONARY POWERS.tHIS NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED ROOT AND BRANCH.
Another thing Indians need to get rid of that is CYNICISM

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Dr Shan of “LOOK EVERYONE BUTCH CASIDY LOVES ME” fame, u r upset that I exclude you and invite 3 doctors for wise opinion and exclude u. Look, shenoy and I disagree on Sonia but agree on many things. Dr Mishra and Pankaj disagreed on Hussain painting, Mishraji and Manohar disagree mostly but AGREEon Sonia illness.
Hint, independence of opinion when backed by wisdom, reading and debating using passion and persuasion, is valuable. Dr shah alam is too congressi, maybe cos as minority, he is insecure, maybe BJP scares him, but he is wise polite and most imp, HE IS PATRIOT WHILE u are professional sneerer White arss licker of pathology severity.
So sorry Dr Shan I like MOST here do not respect yr abusive shrill persona and did not invite you to Sonia debate Which IS STILL INCOMPLETE
Shenoy saab I am coming for you. Hehe …

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Friends, here is a joke I am sure you all would enjoy:

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DIGVIJAY has attacked Sri Ravi Shankar now…”

As per MSN news Digvijay Singh has called Sri Ravi as being communal, RSS and the ‘C” plan of BJP.

I have attended a few camps of Sri Ravi. Nothing very religious. A 1000 sitars were playing that day. A bit of Yoga and meditation.

I think Digvijay is only digging the Congress’ grave by alienating everyone with his shouts of RSS RSS everywhere. Pretty shameful…

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Friends,

on the happy occasion of Diwali, hewre is a ’sher’ on Vinodji:

‘O mere blogwale doston, suno, suno,
Vinodji ka yah blog hai numero uno
And on TV, he is as famous as Jay Leno
aur unke dil mein hai ek hi naam, Sonia Maino

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Prahlad,
following the money trail is one way. Also, land prices should not be arbitrarily fixed. Allocation rather than auction smacks of corruption.
You will increasingly see most corruption will become “big-ticket”- will be at the “policy making level”. Which explains why our political class is so allergic to transparency in their decision making process.
Their defence is that (and I heard Vinod Sharma on a TV panel arguing) that exposing government decision making to public scrutiny will paralyse governance. IMO, unless we bring in transparency to decision making AND expose the decision making process to public scrutiny, we will have these scams go on.
Let’s take an example- let’s say the government wants to buy a billion dollars worth of military hardware. Now, the technical specs of all military hardware is in the public domain and there should be no problem in making the commercial bids open as well. If we worry about the national security angle (I chose Defence procurement as an example deliberately), let us in these cases chose to make these records public after 2 years rather than wait for 30 years.
The truly honest have nothing to fear.

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A Belated Bright and Happy Diwali !
Interesting article by an IIM Bangalore Prof, provocative but passionately argued.

Subject: Why the West is declining and Will Continue to Decline? By Prof. R
Vaidyanathan

Ten years ago, America had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it has no
Jobs, no Hope and no Cash. Or so the joke goes.

Only, it’s no joke. The line is pretty close to reality in the US. The less
said about Europe the better. Both the US and Europe are in decline. I was
asked by a business channel in 2008 about recovery in the US. I mentioned 40
quarters and after that I was never invited for another discussion. Recently,
another media person asked me the same question and I answered 80 quarters. He
was shocked since he was told some “sprouts” of recovery had been seen in
the American economy.

It is important to recognise that the dominance of the West has been there
only for last 200-and-odd years. According to Angus Maddison’s pioneering
OECD study, India and China had nearly 50 percent of global GDP as late as the
1820s. Hence India and China are not emerging or rising powers. They are
retrieving their original position.

The dollar is having a rollercoaster ride at present. Reuters

In 1990, the share of the G-7 in world GDP (on a purchasing power parity
basis) was 51 percent and that of emerging markets 36 percent. But in 2011,
it is the reverse. So the dominant west is a myth.

Similarly, the crisis. It is a US-Europe crisis and not a global one. The two
wars – which were essentially European wars – were made out to be world
wars with one English leader commenting that ‘we will fight the Germans to
the last Indian’.

In this economic scenario, countries like India are made to feel as if they
are in a crisis. Since the West says there’s a crisis, we swallow it
hook,line and sinker. But it isn’t so. At no point of time in the last 20
years has foreign investment – direct and portfolio – exceeded 10 percent
of our domestic investment. Our growth is due to our domestic savings which is
again predominately household savings. Our housewives require awards for our
growth not any western fund manager.

The crisis faced by the West is primarily because it has forgotten a
six-letter word called ‘saving’ which, again, is the result of forgetting
another six letter word called “family”. The West has nationalised
families over the last 60 years. Old age, ill health, single motherhood –
everything is the responsibility of the state. When family is a “burden”
and children an “encumbrance,” society goes for a toss. Household savings
have been negative in the US for long. The total debt to GDP ratio is as high
as 400 percent in many countries, including UK.

Not only that, the West is facing a severe demographic crisis. The population
of Europe during the First World War was nearly 25 percent and today it is
around 11 percent and expected to become 3 percent in another 20 years. Europe
will disappear from the world map unless migrants from Africa and Asia take
it
over. The demographic crisis impacts the West in other ways. Social security
goes for a toss since people are living longer and not many from below
contribute to their pensions through taxes. So the nationalisation of families
becomes a burden on the state.

European work culture has become worse with even our own Tata complaining
about the work ethic of British managers. In France and Italy, the weekend
starts on Friday morning itself. The population has become lazy and
state-dependent. In the UK, the situation is worse with drunkenness becoming
a
common problem. Parents do not have control over children and the Chief Rabbi
of the United Hebrew Congregation in London said: “There are all signs of
arteriosclerosis of a culture and a civilisation grown old. Me has taken
precedence over We and pleasure today over viability tomorrow.” (*The
Times:
* 8 September ).

Married couples make up less than half (45 percent) of all households in the
US, say recent data from the Census Bureau. Also there is a huge growth in
unmarried couples and single parent families (mostly poor, black women).
Society has become dysfunctional or disorganised in the West. The government
is trying to be organised.

In India, society is organised and government disorganised. Because of
disorganised society in the West the state has to take care of families. The
market crash is essentially due to the adoption of a model where there is
consumption with borrowings and no savings. How long will Asian savings be
able to sustain the western spending binge?

According to a recent report in *The Wall Street Journal* (10 October 2011),
nearly half of US households receive government benefits like food stamps,
subsidised housing, cash welfare or Medicare or Medicaid (the federal-state
health care programmes for the poor) or social security.

The US is also a stock market economy where half the households are investors
and they have been hit hard by bank and corporate failures. Even now less
than
5 percent of our household financial savings goes to the stock market. Same in
China and Japan.

Declining empires are dangerous. They will try to peddle their failed models
to us and we will swallow it since colonial genes are very much present here.
You will find more Indians heading global corporations since India is a very
large market and one way to capture it is to make Indian sepoys work for it.
A
declining West is best for the rest and also for the West, which needs to
rethink its failed models and rework its priorities. For the rest—like
us—the fact that the West has failed will be accepted by us only after some
western scholars tell us the same. Till then we will try to imitate them and
create more dysfunctional families.

We need to recognise that Big Government and Big Business are twin dangers for
average citizens. India faces both and they are two asuras we need to guard
against. The Leftists in the National Advisory Council want all families to be
nationalised and governed by a Big State and reform marketers of the CII
variety want Big Business to flourish under crony capitalism.

Beware of the twin evils since both look upon India as a charity house or as a
market and not as an ancient civilisation.

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PAY BACK TIME or AN ATTEMPT TO SHATTER THE DELUSION OF GRANDEUR
As ever “the east delhi citizen” , renowned for SWEEPING STATEMEMENTS and grandelloquient words to parade his hubristic post never EVER comes up with hard data.
I did some calculation. Current per capita GDP OR INCOME(both are similar may not be same) for UK is 33000 dollars , INDIA 1500 dollars(india ranks 137 BELOW SRILANKA)
I am making GENEROUS assumption of india’s growth 9% per year(CURRENTLY IT IS 5%)
I am also assumimg population stabilising by 2050 to 1.7 billion.
By my calculation India will take another 50 yrs to reach 33000 dollars per capita income.
NOW THE SPANNER IN THE WORKS
I am presuming inflation at 5% per annum(CURRENTLY 11%) , IN 50 YRS THAT 33000DOLLAR WILL BE CURRENT 3300 DOLLARS WORTH.
Now some myth busting exercise.
In BOMBAYthe divorce rate is 40% IN SOME QUARTERS.(I had previously posted evidence from indian websites)
Divorce is not a big deal in west. Despite divorce CHILDREN GROW UP NORMALLY.
I had a WHITE doctor working under me , his parents were divorced , he was far more NORMAL AND CONTENDED than AshishC.
I had a patient , an ex MP , he didn’t know who his parents were, grew up in orphanage
(I know this fact from his medical notes)
STEVE JOBS WAS GIVEN FOR ADOPTION BY AN UNMARRIED MOTHER
INDIA WILL HAVE TO WAIT 200YRS TO PRODUCE A STEVE JOBS.
western civilization is bereft of rank hypocrisy, UNLIKE INDIA.
In bengalee there is a saying PETE KHIDEY MUKHE LAAZ, translated PET ME BHOOKH
MUH ME LAAZ, given the chance every indian geezer will drop his pants .
Monogamy is for FREAKS in west. THEY HAVE FREED THEIR WOMEN FOLKS.
Now laziness in west. Holy Maccaroni , this coming from someone whose dad was CPM, the party who coined the line again in bengalee AASHI JAEE MAINAY PAI , KAJ KORLEY UPRI CHAI, translated Aatey Jaatey Tankha miley , Kam karne ke liye upri chahiyeh.
I work in a hospital , suppose to start at 0900 hrs , we are there by 0745.
In India in Govt office expecting anybody before1000hrs , is like expecting pakistan to convict haafiz sayeed.
Didn’t the PLONKER follow the news at NDTV of 150

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Kiran Bedi needs advice from Congi stooge Vinod Sharma like a hole in the head.

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Vijay Kumar Ji

Swabhimaan aur abhiman mein bahut farak hai.

This post of mine mentioned no bad parts of India or of any other country.

But what my expression lacked, you filled it with your imagination.

How so very predictable and how so very boring.

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VIJAY, hehe and again hehe, long time no hear such funny one liner on RAVI _ welcome back engerich behnoi. Ravi u will have to admit Vijay also put nice Punjabi tadka on you. hehe
Now to business DR BIG DONKEY SHAN says divorce does not effect western children, feel like giving this Imbecile ?doctor one large slap. LIAR MISLEADER SHAN of cingulate gyruz asylum, it is UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED HERE IN WEST THAT DIVORCES ARE THE SINGLE MOST TRAUMATIC FACTOR IN THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF BRITONS, children and adults many who are scarred for life.

Somebody take garbage talking Dr Shan off this blog, his moronic statements are bringing tone of blog down. IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT

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Vijay khapodia(the name coined by Ravi)
THAT FAMILY RUN BUSINESS has no guarantee will prosper under the next generation , is very reason the concept of CORPORATION , or INCORPORATED was made into law in USA.
that is why steve jobs was thrown out despite having founded the company, that is why BILL GATES HAS NO SAY CURRENTLY IN DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF BUSINESS.
THAT IS WHY IBM, COCA COLA , UNILEVER ARE STILL ROMPING AROUND, whereas all GEONKAS AND BIRLAS HAVE GONE DOWN THE PAN

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@KABUTERBAJ SANDHU , this why VIVEKANANDA SAID IT IS BETTER TO HAVE DIVORCE THAN AN UNHAPPY MARRIAGE

The hidden plight of Asian women
By Naresh Puri
BBC News

An Asian victim of domestic violence
Kulwant suffered violence at the hands of her husband

The BBC’s Domestic Violence Day aims to raise awareness about abuse in the home. It is a problem that also affects Britain’s Asian community.

Kulwant, aged 20, was starved and beaten by her husband. She hides her face because she fears for her safety.

She regularly visits the offices of a women’s rights organisation – her support group and her only friends.

Kulwant left India to join her British-born husband after an arranged marriage.

“I was very excited about coming to England,” she said. “I thought I would have a great married life and he was from a good family. I was so happy.”

Suicidal thoughts

But within weeks of her arrival, Kulwant’s life changed. Her husband became violent, she was forced to sleep on the kitchen floor and the family refused to feed her.

“I was never allowed to leave the house,” she said. “My husband had mistresses and he would take all my wages and leave me with nothing.

“My husband hit me with a chair. He was violent. I wanted to commit suicide. I couldn’t go back to India because I would be an outcast.”

A Sikh temple meeting to discuss domestic violence
One Sikh community is taking steps to tackle abuse

Married to an abuser

Many British-born men go back to South Asia searching for a traditional wife.

Many of the relationships are successful, but some are violent.

Meena Patel, of the west London-based Southall Black Sisters, who provide help and support to black and Asian women, said: “When they go abroad they are looking for a wife that will be passive and submissive to their demands – someone who is not going to make too many demands on them and who is not too liberated.

“When they bring them here they may subject them to domestic violence and use violence to control their lives.”

Open discussions

But some Asian communities are beginning to tackle the hidden issue of violence at home.

At a Sikh temple in Hounslow, west London, community elders and members of the congregation meet women who work with the victims of domestic abuse to discuss the problem.

“A lot of families collude and they deliberately keep it within the family network and won’t allow – whether it is your sister, your aunt or your sister-in-law – to go and get help,” one woman told the group.

The main fear for victims is that if they walk out of abusive relationships, they could be forced to leave the country.

Many women have to suffer in silence.

The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247. The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247.

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Manipulating Men

In all the ages of man

There are those who say ‘We can!’

And all the while

Men of guile

Make sure the shit hits the fan.

In all the ages of war

There are those who shout ‘No more!’

And all the while

Men of guile

Wade round in entrails and gore.

Through all the ages we cry

As we watch the innocents die,

And all the while

Men of guile

Tell lie after lie after lie.

When all that is left is a grave

And no more children to save,

Then men of guile

Will smile and smile

And call our sacrifice ‘brave’.

When all that’s left is a list

Of ‘lost in battle – sorely missed’,

Then with a smile

Those men of guile

Still make money hand over fist.

But when we replace bloody war

With peace from shore to shore,

Then no more smiles

For men of guile

Because of something called Law.

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Indian style secularism in full display in Kashmir-

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmirs-mufti-azam-summons-Christian-priest-to-explain-alleged-conversions/articleshow/10518322.cms

Kashmir’s ‘mufti azam’ summons Christian priest to explain alleged conversions

SRINAGAR: Mufti Bashir-ud-din – J&K’s official ” mufti azam”, or head Muslim clergyman – issued fresh summons to a leading Christian priest, CM Khanna, on Friday, asking him to appear before his court to explain his activities of reported conversions of young local boys and girls at his church in Srinagar. Khanna said the mufti was annoyed with him because he had expressed his inability to help the mufti in the admission of a boy to a Christian missionary school.

Talking to TOI, Mufti Azaam Bashir-ud-din said: “Our shariat court had summoned the Christian priest, CM Khanna, to appear personally today at 11am but he failed to appear. Now we have issued fresh summons to him for personal appearance on November 12.”

A shariat court has existed in J&K since the early 1960s; Mufti Bashir-ud-din is the judge of the court and the appeal against this court lies in the civil court. Mufti Bashir said that the court was recognized by the state government because of the majority Muslim character of the state. The shariat court, however, has no enforcing agency like police to implement its judgments, he said

Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”

The mufti claimed to possess a video cassette purportedly showing Reverend Khanna urging young Kashmiri Muslims to embrace Christianity and asking them to take a dip in a pond inside the church near the cricket stadium in Srinagar.

“I will take all necessary measures in exercise of the powers vested in me by Islamic shariat,” the mufti said when asked what course he would take if the priest failed to appear in his court.

“It is a matter of grave concern that Christian missionaries active here should be running an organized and integrated campaign to convert young Kashmiri Muslims to Christianity,” he said.

When contacted, CM Khanna said : “I am an officiating priest at the Srinagar church and Mufti Bashir-ud-din last fortnight asked me to help him in getting admission to some boy in a Christian school called Tyndale Biscoe school, but I told him that the school was not under my control and he had better approach the principal of the school. He was annoyed over the issue.”

Khanna said that he had not received any summons and the allegations levelled against him were false and concocted. “I am at present out of state,” Khanna told TOI on the phone.

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@ Rajiiv

A very relevent posting. let us see what Vinodji has to say on this. I have a feeling he will keep quiet.

Of course in the name of secularism…

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~~ KIRAN’S SEAT FOR DAUGHTER vs Gandhi parivar seat for children ~~~
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Many of us at times, cannot see the big picture. maybe we are blinded by day to day events or have our vested intersts and career prospects tied to portray things in an incomplete way.

SO when our dear Vinodji was good enough to point out how Kiran used a loophole to get her daughter admitted into medicine , could he not balance this with the TRUE… MAGNIFIED… 70MM SAGA OF THE NEHRU GANDHI PARIVAR CREATING LOOPHOLES, DAMAGING INSTITUTIONS, FALSIFYING EDUCATIONAL RECORDS…JUST TO GET THE NEXT GENERATION GRAB THE PM’s Seat…

nehru got Indira in.

Indira said she needed Sanjay for help, as if a nation of probably 600 million had a shortage of helping hands.

After Sanjay’s demise she said, there is no alternative, but rajiv !!!

And after rajiv… Rahul is being presented on a platter…

All laws of democracy, reason, logic and decency are flouted and state machinery used….

Wah wha WAH !!

I ask for comments from

a) Vinod Sharma — He wont comment as the Rajya Sabha seat is at stake

b) manohar

c) Dr Shah Alam — just comparing various alternatives. If Kiran was a clown.. what would you call this Gandhi, Nehru Saga– A Gemini circus?

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@ Manohar

there are two ways of looking at the end of a family business.

And I am talking about a small/medium enterprise… not the Birla/Tata level. When so much effort has been made… why let it sink?

because of broken families in the developed world (so called), few children have links with parents. And after 50, the small business owner starts planning his retirement.

the plus point being that children choose their own career.

The minus being that there are fewer and fewer companies of small scale operating in these countries…

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Vijay Kumar’s whole post is based on less than 0 understanding of anything.

Over 80% of SMEs in the U.K. (and the so called West) fail in the year they are started, hardly giving much of a chance for them being handed over to children.

Those that are successful are usually dependant upon a single large company customer, such as Car Manufacturers or Super Markets etc. Most SMEs are in retailing (read corner shops, kebab shops, resteraunts, etc)

Significantly, less than 1% of SMEs ever become incorporated and are then launched on the stock market.

The post below is little more than an expression of deeply held prejudices against the west.

The author would have benefited more from chewing gum as a past-time.

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Well spoken.

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@ravi, I once tried to take out a patent on a contraceptive device.during that period i was negotiating with schering if they take up my idea.I found out these big big companies are like big fish. Small companies will innovate and grow up a certain point and in any case these giant fish are there to swallow it. This is how many many small business operate in UK. Remember that company Miss Attitude founded by a sardarji , it used to sell trinckets , the sardar sold it off to some big chain at a good price.
Guys in delhi LIVE IN A WORLD OF THEIR OWN , DELUSIONAL , SEVERLY COMPLEX RIDDEN.
INDIA FIRST NEEDS TO MAKE TRANSITION OF ITS AGRICULTURE FROM STONE AGE TO MODERN AGE

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CORRECTIONS / AGREEMENTS””””””””””””””””

1. Manohar, you sound a lil naive when you say that Bill Gates kids will not get a dollar from him. Ten years ago a trust fund was set and millions put in it- various relatives like grand parents involved.
That does not take away his huge donations to charity.

2. Vijay is spot on, most small Indian businesses are passed onto kids, unless of course they have become bankers , doctors etc. And yes, because of 45% divorce rates, many white men who are owners of such small companies will retire early, find a young dolly bird to share their wealth with and the kids can go hang.

3. Bang on Balwinder, divorce destroys families. In 40% of cases where divorce involves kids below 7 years age, THE FATHERS HAVE LOST ALL CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS over time. I have seen dozens of distraught friends living alone

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~~ TIME FOR A SMILE~~~before i crash into bed ~~~~~
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The downside of the sexual revolution
Only copulation… and no population….

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Few other examples of Jinnahism practiced by muslims and Islamic party Congress-

Muslims issue ultimatum to Congress on quota
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslims-issue-ultimatum-to-Congress-on-quota/articleshow/10473862.cms

Cong to focus on Muslim areas ahead of UP polls
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cong-to-focus-on-Muslim-areas-ahead-of-UP-polls/articleshow/10467842.cms

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RAVI, U MADE TERRIBLE MISTAKE. The figure of 10 divorces per thousand ppl was from 1977. The actual number of divorces is down but that is because the average number of marriages is down. Silly boy
But the percentage of families breaking up as vijay and mishra doc say, is over 40 percent because millions cohabit and break up. Half of white kids in UK are ilegtimate. Silly silly boy, ravi, u sure you live in Uk

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Balwinder and Vijay are right- family breakups are an epidemic in UK and US

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5056489/Nearly-half-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock-official-figures-show.html

Living in sin is quite common, and here breakups are more common than in married couples. To say that the absolute numbers of divorces are down is to have completely missed the point.

Ravi this is the article youhave quoted – http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

I cut and paste – ‘ This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people ‘

I think you owe Balwinder an apology. I echo his amazement – do you really live in UK. Every second white person I know here comes from a broken home.

In the UK riots of 2011- nearly all were black or white- no Indians, chinese or Jews- and more than half of rioters had previous records and most came from broken families- Boris Johnson, Lord M Desai and David Cameron have already written on that

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@ mMANOHAR

I amtired so quick reply only

1. The article you have quoted is wrong. The trust fund for Gates’s sprogs was set up 10 years ago with twenty million per child- relatives including grandparents as trustees. Somehow, here in the west in recession, I cannot quite see the gates kids on the dole or taking loans haha.
And I DO NOT GRUDGE THEM THAT- even their ‘invisible’ security costs millions – they ARE PRIME TARGETS FOR ABDUCTION.

Sorry when I called you lil naive, it was in an affectionate way, not insulting.
Ravi- repeat- when I discuss anything with Manohar man to man, then please do not – like a jenana -throw barbs from behind a veil- I will answer Manohar when I have the time

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Hehe as ishwar says this blog hs come alive. I am laughing so much I will fall off. Again Rravi why u behave like zenana saying catty stuff from behind chilman.
hehe today both vijay and mishraji have skewered u like kebab.
Listen puttar, when manohar and punditji cross swords, stay out.
But when u, vijay and I discuss divorce rates in UK then others can join debate with facts.

GET THE DIFERENCE, no, never mind, I am still chukling at zenani insult

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Mishraji;
Some jiyales have come back from vacation. No problem. I know, you can handle them.

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This geezer Mishra and his sidekick balwinder has as much merit in their posting , as
hafeez sayed has concern for india.Hungary has HIGHEST divorce rate nearly 50%, till recently not even a western country , ITALY pretty low rate of divorce , yet the LAND OF MAFIOSO AND INSTITUTIONALISED CORRUPTION.Germany divorce rate is similar to UK , YET THE POWERHOUSE OF EUROPE.
LOT OF DIVORCE IN WESTERN COUNTRIES TAKE PLACE WHEN THE CHILDREN ARE GROWN UP .There are innumerable example of VERY HIGHLY SUCCESFUL people from divorced families.
NOW SOMETHING FROM INDIA , TO MAKE PANDIT WITHDRAW HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS AND RUN
% Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

By Sam George
Published 02/21/2008

Sam George

Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International – a non-profit initiative to address the needs of youth and families of Asian Indian origin in North America and to the Asian Indian community worldwide. Parivar means family in many Indian languages. Sam George also serves as one of the founding directors of Urban India Ministries

Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.

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Ravi attacks Vijay- ‘ Tax breaks encourage people to marry. Co-habitation is on the decline in comparison to marriage ‘

Complete rubbish, with what I see around me- whether nurses, porters or doctors- MORE COHABIT THAN MARRY.

http://www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/Blog/2011/03/Lower-divorce-rate-but-still-too-high/

…………Well, one simple contributing factor could well be that the marriage rate is falling too! While I don’t believe this to be the only reason, it is fact that if there are fewer marriages there will be fewer divorces. ………..There is also the issue that though fewer people may be marrying, leading to fewer divorces, that means there are more couples living together and so need of advice on things like living together agreements. Related to this…..

SO VIJAY YOU WERE SPOT ON, rarely have I known you to be wrong

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@ Ravi

It may be funny to you make fun of my patriotism. From My eyes, if you find other societies so perfect… why are’nt you at their blogsites?

And as far as patriotism goes, you of course can sing
“pakistan ka matlab kya…”

And feel like Manoj Kumar….

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@ Dr Mishra

Thx. My comment was really not of making a mockery of British society today. but more of despair that riots and looting should happen in a society which was once a role model.

I think it is very easy to say that the rich will get their dolls. But on the flipside the older women do remain… single and lonely.

Well in my view… the traditional overbearing attitude of Indian style parenting needed to change.

But the complete lack of parenting too is no ideal…

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Vijay Kumar,

about your yesterday’s post on Kiran Bedi’s getting a medical seat for her daughter from the north-east quota, let me remind Vinod Sharma that Priyanka Gandhi too joined Jesus And Mary College under the college’s sports quota, even though Priyanka had not so much as come anywhere near a play ground in her life till then.

And Nehru gave complete reins of his office to Indira Gandhi long before he himself became paralysed. Those days there was no PMO, and the office was run as a private enterprise.

The presidentship of the party too went to her not by any election but by Nehru’s nomination. Just as she later appointed Sanjay Gandhi as her assistant, Nehru too chose Indira Gandhi as his assistant. He also took her with him on all his official visits abroad and within India too.

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Rajeev, Vinoo,

“Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”"

I believe the shariah law is applicable only on Muslims. It is not clear under what clause of the sharia the mufti has “summoned” the reverend Khanna.

It is also not clear why the reverend has not told the mufti go buffalo grazing. From his response, it looks like he is scared of facing the mufti.

But, it is very clear that when the Muslims are in majority, a different set of laws become operational about which NHRC or NCM can do little, to protect the rights of the minorities.

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Dr Mishra

I quoted to you NSO stats, and you presented the rants of 3 Tory politicians.

Vijay is absolutely wrong and you would know that, if you READ what I posted.

BUT you do not read.

The stats clearly states per 1000 married people, that means, that divorce rates quoted do not include in them people who are living together, but are not married.

Divorce is a legal dissolution of a marriage and does not count separation of couples living together.

It is sad to see you squirm.

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Dr Mishra

It is self evident that you have little to no grasp of Statistics.

Divorce rate quoted was a PROPORTION, and not an absolute number. It is true that fewer marriages will result in fewer divorces, but by itself that will leave the RATE of DIVORCE un-affected.

Vijay is wrong, in fact he is hardly ever correct.

Law firms are impacted by the absolute numbers of divorces, for obvious reasons – proportions are better indicators of trend.

The trend for the last seven years is that the rate of divorce is coming down. Now you may wish to make a value judgement that even this reduced rate of divorce is far too high for a good society, then that is your opinion, although I will disagree with it.

But facts are facts. Each one of us may form a different opinion based on exactly the same facts.

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Ravi, u hv very bad habit. When caught with blooper, u twist n turn n dive n duck, YOU CONFUSE WITH VERBOSITY AND BARRAGE OF POSTS.
Now read
1. More ppl live together than marry
2. Family breaks, either divorce or otherwise, are over 40 percent
3. This breakup trend is not declining.
Now go to mirror and say
1. Vijay is right
2. Vijay is nice man, not jingoistic
and now stop crying

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Hehe Mishraji u may be MBBS but I am PHd in jokes. But you are learning, “”"”vijay is sweetboy”"”, I like that.
Now listen Ravi bhai, u have been skewered like sheesh kebab by vijayand two others in lst 24 hours, pl pray that your old nemesis MR SHENOY does not come and deliver coup of grace
zenana hehe I am still laughing. Take in spirit puttar

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Reactions from the people who have seen Ra-One.

Crocin, Disprin, Combiflam, Adol, Panadol and all headaches tablets stock
is over after RA-One release.

Rahul Gandhi to meet people affected after seeing RA-One.

Vijay this for you. All bachelors must see Ra-One to understand what pain means
to married man.

Get Ra one under Lokpal and punish everyone who made this movie.

Salman to SRK ‘ Mujh par ek ehsaan karna, dubara aisi movie mat banana “

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Interesting article on 2G case.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mindboggling/entry/government-s-2g-lies-exposed-by-cbi-court

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This will get the SMUG B pandit mishra and his sidekick, the dim , sandhu , withdraw their tail between their leg and run
40% Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

By Sam George
Published 02/21/2008

Sam George

Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International

Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.
http://www.southasianconnection.com/…/40-Divorce-Rate-In-Mumbai-Indi...

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Well RA One is made with 2Gscam money of Shahid Balwa,
As they say CHORI KA MAAL kabhi huzum nahi hota

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~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! ~~EINSTEIN had joined RSS !!~~ EINSTEIN was RSS !!~~
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—————- as per RA- V1 ~~~~~ !!

According to a certain RA-V1 who lives by cliches, believes in invoking RSS RSS at every corner, all persons with walrus moustaches are RSS members.

Influenced by such a bombastic theory of relativity linking moustaches to Hindutva, Amul Baby and Digvinash Singh– the DOn quixote and Sancho Panza — set up a core committee of the Congress to hunt for such people all over the world so that the CBI, ED, IT and most of all Tajendar and Engrich could be sent there for attack.

This core committee, headed by one RA- V1 finally concluded that Albert Einstein, with his famous drooping moustaches of an old walrus was the most famous and popular RSS member.

Last heard of Digvinash Singh, Amul baby are hunting where Einstein lives and Engrich and Tajendar along with RA-V1 are on racing along their horses…. !!

Happy hunting RA-V1 !!!!

HA AHHAHAHA !!

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Vijay Kumar,

you said, “The downside of the sexual revolution
Only copulation… and no population…”

too much of copulation leads to revulsion
less propulsion leads to expulsion.

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Mohan rangaswamy, good point. WESTERN BROKEN FAMILIES, why we comment.
Puttar let me explain. Indian culture was mercilessly caicultered and dissected for decades here in UK. Why cant be do same in reverse ? Politely?
Although to be honest, last 15 years, Brits grudgingly admitted that Indians have srable, families, kids do excellently at Univ and we buggers makr lotsa money.
They see our eomen doing karva chauth pooja….which reminds me, oye wifey, how come you dont pooja me every year? Wheres your mehendi, woman ?
see bloggers how tough Sikhs are

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

People interested in anti corruption movement will find this article interesting. friends, if you have time have a dekko.

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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/who-are-the-real-cronies/867007/0

For serious bloggers only. Friends, who are interested to understand cronies

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Just wondering..Is the topic of divorce relevant to topic on hand i.e. corruption?

I don’t take statistics as absolute proof. Your own personal experience should form your opinion.

How many of you have relative/close friends/co-workers who are divorced or separated? What was the number just few years back?

We Indians should come out of this mindset that our culture is SUPREME…No it is not..It is basically Kichdi culture where most of the middle class people are wannabe..They either want to be seen as Brits/American in brown skin or Arab..No one seems to be interested in India identity.

I know many desis who pretend to enjoy Christmas and feel uncomfortable celebrating Indian festivals…

Indian patriotism is all phony..

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Bloggers;
In the context of Maruti shifting to Gujrat, Modi’s win versus Haryana’s haar.
So government in Haryana did not intervene early? why the situation was allowed to deteriorate to such an extent. Was Huda not supposed to govern? Haryana has nothing except proximity to Delhi and only lately, some IT activity. Haryana’s only world class industry was made to flee? Why? What were the issues?? To my knowledge, issue was that of discipline, management was not ready to tolerate threats and intimidation of workers. Who lost ultimately, workers and public at large, which had one important avenue of employment next door. But government with an eye on workers’ vote in election, did not act. There is monetary corruption and then there is corruption for votes, which was best exemplified by V.P. Singh. This is practiced by every party but obviously some parties are specialists here.

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@Engrich, I swear by almighty, the cases of husband abandoning their wife and children is rife amongst sikhs and pakistani punjabis . HOW MANY PATIENT I HAVE SEEN , helpless women , either drunkard husband , or physical abuse or mother in law torture.THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW MURDERS ALL PUNJABI , EITHER SIKH OR PAKISTANI. people living in glass houses should not throw stones at others.
As for that bundar balwinder, HE HAS TAKEN BRITISH CITIZENSHIP, but being a gaddar (like beant singh trait) is always criticising the Brits.
The Filth that I see amongst the sikhs here is undescribable.
ISLAMIC SOCIETIES ARE THE VILEST SOCIETY EVERYWHERE,

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@pankaj#1, The things that multinationals do and get away with it is only possible in india.Reflect on your home country. How many times workers have sued JAPANESE , cos like mitsubishi and Honda , on frivolous issues , mostly trumped up charges of sexual harrasment and all sorts of BS. Dont think the **** dared to move away from USA.This is the difference between third world and first world.

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Sharmaji,
Your IT folks have almost assuredly wasted this blog. Visiting the blog after several days I am unable to get head and tail of the discussions happening around here. Last I knew they were using Wordpress blog engine. What happened since then ? Why Disqus suddenly ? Wordpress blog engine has good history features . So what went wrong ?
Here is a suggestion – get one of them , somebody good enough to participate in the discussions . Let the person post a few comments (political affiliations don’t matter) , which are good enough that those comments will elicit reponses.Subsequently the person will understand the pain we blog commentators have been going through.
BTW, that person could be you as well. So why is your feedback not yet weilding enough lathi ?
- Mahesh.
p.s. : Belated Deepavali wishes to everybody .
p.p.s. for Balwinder Sandhu : No wonder your acronym is BS.
p.p.p.s for Engrich : You see a zionist conspiracy in weakening of family structure in west. Wonderful. And weakening of “husband” ? Huh ? Boss, tussi great ho. You are fit to be a sanghi. A perfect Sanghi, aspiring for the male dominance of family. Too bad your thoughts are not well articulated that they would earn “Wah Wahs” from the “brothers in arms”. Somebody here commented on the “jenana” attitude when commenting on other bloggers. Your post is equivalent. Too bad they have been really un-fortunate that they never ever had wives / girlfriends / sisters / daughters and other related women folk who were strong enough to kick the “proverbial butts”.

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Dr Pankaj, thank you lovely article you have quoted-
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

The government and its sympathisers have taken on the role of Jesus, telling us lesser mortals that “let him who has not sinned cast the first stone”: until then, shut the hell up, as we continue with our rape of the nation.

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Dr Pankaj I quote another para from that article you quoted-
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

The IT department claims Arvind Kejriwal owes the government Rs 9.2 lakh because he took study leave for a year, and signed a bond that he would not quit for another three years, which he did not honour. By the way, for those three years, he wasn’t networking at taxpayer expense over fine wine at Davos. He was fighting for the RTI from Sunder Nagri, a slum resettlement in Delhi.

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Pankaj,
Thanks for the article that tries to bring about a co-relation between Occupy Wall Street and Anna Hazare movement (assuredly a blanket term – feeling too lazy to be more definitive).
I will assume that both you and I know the history of “finance meltdown” that has manifested (notice the operative word here is “manifested” and not to be confused with “happened”) in early 2008. The Occupy Wall Street movement (abbreviated OWS henceforth in this post) has been propelled on the basis of latent sentiment for retribution against investment bankers by those who have lost it in the financial crisis. The comparisons with Anna Hazare movement stop precisely at this point. Those who have been screweed by the system here hardly ever found representation in the Anna Hazare movement. The comparisons get even more stark when one compares ideologues. For instance, try looking up the book authored (Titled – 5000 years of debt ) by the OWS ideologue – David Graeber. Even a pre-cursory dekko at the book will reveal enough about the depth of understanding the OWS folks have about the current Socio-Economic situation. Sad to say this, but the Hazare movement has lacked this depth.
Another aspect – if you ever get a chance , try being around the OWS folks and see how the decision making process is . For instance, the US nurses union extended their support to OWS (I guess in Ohio). OWS folks, went about their own de-centralised discussion debating and re-debating while arriving at the consensus in accepting the support. Contrast that with the Hazare movement.
One last anecdotal observation that I feel to re-echo here. In one of his past NYT columns Paul Krugman extended his support to OWS folks. The comments in the comments section particularly reflect the mood. One comment – by a lady from Boston – specifically pointed the OWS movement’s co-relation with Egyptian revolt.

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Mahesh, I visit my son who is a Cambridge medical graduate and is at present training in London . Political animal and junkie that I am, I headed out earlier and met the occu wall street folk at St Pauls cathedral.

You seem to have a romantic notion about the protestors from that distance. Many I met there were what are called in UK as ‘professional protestors’. Some of them took pride in saying that they had been involved in the Univ protests, anti G8 protests etc.

There was an intellectual emptimess in their rhetoric or slogans. When I thought of their protests all over- I thought- the capitalist system ( which does need reform) is what provides these buggers with the dole and benefits which enables them to caary out these long protests.

door key dhol suhaavne, mujhe to apney Anna protestors zyaada achhe lagtey hain

my 2 cents

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@mahesh,happy diwali that just gone. First your favourite topic NEUROSCIENCE.i was flicking through Prof RamaChandran’s latest book THE TELLTALE BRAIN
Well the bit on language ,I am not convinced .it is a fascinating topic.How language devoloped.Noam Chomski’s theory it came from no where. Prof says the sounds reflect the object as perceived by brain .As you there are several “primitive” tribes all over the world , who are essentially hunter gatherer , yet they do have a language .
Yet jaro tribe of Andamans to my knowledge dont have any language.
then again animals do communicate with other , birds in a flock do , dolphins do with sound frequencies.YOUR OPINION WILL BE EAGAERLY AWAITED.

next is OWS.In Uk they are camping in front of St paul’s cathedral.There is not a great deal of popular support.I guess UK just came out of a riot.Also UK is massively dependent on Financial Services.When they make money , ITS GOOD NEWS FOR TREASURY WHICH GET ALL THE TAXES. Like any investment , if the risk is less , the return is less. Also this business of banker’s bonuses. The problem is it is linked to performance , so if they are delivering , they will pick the takings
In case of USA it was rank corruption. This HENK POULSEN in Bush cabinet was ex Goldman sachs , and also this subprime malaki and bernie maddox , THESE ARE SIMPLE CORRUPTION, in UK it was not corruption but the GAMBLING WENT HAYWIRE Yours Sincerely Shan

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Shan;
Just now came across the news that Azim Premji is about to start two free schools in every district in India. What is your reaction?

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Folks;
Just read Masood Hassan at The News, a Pakistani paper. Apart from good command over English, this guy is amazing. Would like to have him as my neighbour.

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Now’ having read Masood Hassan fully, I will treat him better than many Indians. Masood Hassan is a Pakistani.

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@ Everybody;
Reading Pakistani Newspapers and pakistanis gloat over the fact that their geographic location is such that they can block India. What kind of moron we have as neighbors? would like to use term GPL, which was quite popular in my student days.

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Bhaiyon;
Last four posts are from me alone, Bakiyon ko kya Saanp Soongh gaya??
Good night, see you or read you tomorrow.

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Shaan Nirad Babu,

you said, in response to Dr.Pankaj, “shan is civil to civilized , one thing shan cannot stand is SMUGNESS and POSEURS.”

Most readers of your long, rambling, disjointed posts here for the last several months know that you too are guilty of the same smugness and poseuring. Besides, you have a very foul mouth, which you use liberally and uncontrollably to abuse all who question your smugness and poseuring.

Hereunder, I have given two dictionary definitions of the word poseur, which describe your Nirad Babu culture like nothing else does:

1. poseur:One who affects a particular attribute, attitude, or identity to impress or influence others.

2. poseur: a person who copies the dress, speech, and/or mannerisms of a group or subculture, generally for attaining acceptability within the group or for popularity among various other groups, etc……..

From the above, our fellow bloggers can make out that bYOU ARE THE POSEUR HERE, literally.

Coming to your charge against Maruti of employing “casual labour”.

You have exposed yourself with your ignorance of the ground realaities in Indian industry and business today.

It is not casual labour, but contract labour which Maruti and lakhs of other big and small establishments employ within or outside their premises to get what their own employees cannot give or wouldn’t give at lower cost to the employer.

This is one of the few “rights” managements all over the country have squeazed out of labour unions in the last two-three decades in India.

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Since blog has gone silent for some time here is another one on Ra one.

Ra one was shown on a flying aeroplane and still people walked out .

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F1 – Indian Grand Prix and Poverty

Once again, India is in the news.

Over the years, how India is viewed in the News has changed. But not very much.

Yesterday’s news covering the preparation in advance of this morning’s race, was balanced with a steady cam stroll through congested old Delhi, where all those interviewed seemed not aware of the event taking place. It kind of put this race into context. Its appeal is restricted to just a small section of the mall thronging population, many of whom have become interested in motor racing only because it is taking place in India

Elsewhere the news covered a report from the camp of workers who worked very hard on building the circuit, but are yet to receive payment for their work. The suggestion was that this track is built by the unpaid dirt poor people of India. This kind of publicity is totally avoidable, and highlights how the rich and powerful never shy away from exploting the poor.

I am as excited and as proud, as any one else to see a world event taking place in India, but just wish that when we are celebrating such events that the poor workers have been given their due.

This morning’s Breakfast News on the BBC, focused on the story of a 7 year old girl who works on the rubbish tip, to eek out a meagre income of Rs. 35 (50p) a day. When asked what her ambitions are, she said she wishes to be a policeman and would like to put into prison all those who drink and gamble, including her own father.

I wish there was a way, I could help her DIRECTLY, not because I am against other 7 year olds in the same predicament, just that she connected with me, either by luck or by divine design. Who cares?

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without comment:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2169191743481&set=a.2062241869801.114477.1057325634&type=1&ref=nf

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Vijay

In response to my question
“Then ask yourself, why did NDA lose in 2004 (*) and then with further reduced margin in 2009?”

you wrote
“In my view… the fake sting of Tehelka and mismanagement of jayalalitha and Karuns.

But let me know ur opinion. ”

Now either you are “playing” innocent or are in denial. We will talk about it some other time.

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@ Manohar

I am innocent ! Let us hear ur theory…

How does 50,000 rupees compare to 17600000000000000000000000 rupees

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@ Manohar

It does make us feel bad becasue the Congress uses all tricks to defeat the Jan Lokpal which could have redistribued the 176000000000 crores.

Only when corruption represented by the congress goes, we will have faster redistribution of wealth…

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The GRAND SUCCESS OF FI RACING AND WHAT DOES IT TEACH
1.That Indians if they put their mind and soul and focus like a laser beam , THERE ISN’T A CHALLENGE THEY CANNOT OVERCOME.
2.Mani Aiyar is a COD ECONOMIST a rank hypocrite whose daughter is well settled in usa.I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THIS ENTERPRISE (F1)
JUST FOR ONE REASON , 600 CRORE IT BROUGHT TO EXCHEQUER.
3.All the transgressions by Mayavati Govt in granting all sorts of concessions WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.india is a functioning democracy.supreme Court is hearing a petition and asked the organisers to set aside all the taxes due in a separate account
till the case is discharged.
INDIANS SO ENAMOURED ABOUT WEST (METALLICA MANIA OR FIASCO)
WHY THEY DO NOT IMMITATE WESTERN PRACTICES OF TREATING WORKERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT , Like hard hats on construction sites , no child labour etc,proper uniform .
@Manohar , If the plight of that girl brought you tears , then there are enough example in uk THAT WILL MAKE YOU DROWN IN YOUR TEARS.
ONLY DIFFERENCE IS UK HAS SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT GIRL WONT HAVE TO SCAVENGE IN UK , WILL BE GIVEN FOR ADOPTION WITH STATE PAYING THE FAMILY EVERY MONTH FOR LOOKING AFTER THE GIRL.

ADOPTION IS UNKNOWN IN INDIA
PANDIT MISHRA AND THE BRAMHINICAL SCUMS STIPULATED THAT IF YOU TOUCH A DALIT , YOU WILL BE REBORN AS AN INSECT IN NEXT LIFE.

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Magic of the heart

Speak from your heart and you will speak the truth.
Feel with your heart and you will know which way to go.

Look from your heart and you will see the truth.
Listen with your heart and you will understand.

Live from your heart and you will live in peace.
Love from your heart and you will love forever

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ASHISH’S LINK, F1 RACING, PREMJI’s schools”””””””””
Ashish’s link to the article comparing economies never quite the discussion it deserved, as it kind of degenerated into the India bashers on one side and the overenthusiasitic Indian optimists on the other.

Then suddenly two news items appeared here- my take on all 3-

- F1 racing sets pulses racing and there will be economic benefits- trickle sideways economics- A MISHRA NEOLOGISM perhaps- but the news of the schools has warmed my heart so much that, out there on the golf course with temp of 8 degrees, the glow remained and I boasted to all in the club

- sorry folks, comparing wetsern economies and us, they have had a headstart on us – we started the race not like them on the white line, – we were actually outside the stadium, maybe even outside the city- so I say humbly- THEY ARE ABOUT 100 -125 YEARS AHEAD OF US.
this assessment, from India’s biggest swaabhimaani

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A reason to be proud of.. can’t stop smiling since I read this today morning
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Monk-of-Ramkrishna-Mission-wins-Indias-highest-math-award/articleshow/10548410.cms

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And, this is for Vijay, supports the points he makes often comparing Gurgaon and Noida..
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/Maya-Jaypee-show-Delhi-Gurgaon-how-to-get-it-right/articleshow/10547203.cms

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~~ WHAT THE F1 SUCCESS MEANS FOR TEAM INDIA ~~~
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Despite being at the F1 rally , I refrained from commenting about it yesterday. I was a little unsure whether it was right that India should hold an event which afterall is a celeberation of wealth, speed and opulance.

Today after talking to a few people in Greater Noida, I am very sure that it was a success and the right thing to do. The locals are happy and why should I not be. Why?

a) This was an area which was desperately poor 20 years back and had zero electricity and development. But today it boasts of some of the best infrastructure in India. All because fo the vision of an IAS officer called Brijesh Kumar and the Kalyan SIngh and later the Rajnath SIngh government which gave him a free unhindered hand. The credit today may go just go to Mayawati by default. But then, the BJP is never known to put its best foot forward.

b) The F1 rally will drive in more industrial and institutional investment in the area. The planning is immaculate. Suddenly, Bulandshahar an area best know for crime and kidnapping once– and fights between gujjars, now has a different set of aspirational values. People want to educate their children, become builders, hoteliers, exporters…

c) Development is a rigorous, tough process. All positive development should just be welcome. Construction is the biggest employer for now. Service sector will follow.

d) At a larger level, this is a confidence boost for India as we are now holding an event, which the most developed countries do.

I think for a change we should celeberate the positives as many of us end up punching holes in every thing in India.

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Gopiji,

Would like to hear your views on this .

Why Jayalalita is oppising Kudankulam atomic power project ? As far as I know
that Tamil Nadu has huge shortage of power. Is she playing politics or there is a serious
threat to the people of Kanyakumari.

Please throw some light on this .

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~~~ WHY IMRAN Khan is most dangerous for India ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Humne kaha

~~ BARKHA RANI thum jam ke barso… ~~

Par Barkha ne kaha

~~ Nahi nahi
Imran agar jhoot bhi bole
Woh hai sahi~~~

As I have been repeatedly pointing out at this site, the big danger to India from Pakistani leaders is really Imran Khan. He has some hypnotic grip over certain aunties in the media and they are willing to awallow any lies he dishes out… which gives him confidence to dish out more lies.

Three days back NDTV and Barkha Dutt, did a full one hour program on Imran Khan and a book he had written on Pakistan. To NDTV, Imran was one of them. An English speaking Oxford/Cambridge guy like Prannoy and maybe some of their staff like Vikram. A cool dude… a playboy… an english speaker… one of us.

To Imran, NDTV was a laucnh platform, where wide eyed Indians admired him, even when he dished out lies. Many of the girls– he knows– find him sexy. he toys with them… and gets away with lies.

So when Barkha interviewed him, I really had no hope. But still I told myself, that she will see thru his game and I almost wished

“Barkha Rani… thum jam ke barso…”

But Alas. NO hope. He did not say anything about Taliban, or terrorism against India. ANd Barkha kept listening to him like a wide eyed fan…

And a Day later… at a rally in Lahore, Imran sounded the bugle of a confrontation against India on Kashmir.

The problems is that he has many wide eyed Aunties in India… in the media… who support him…

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@ MOhan

Well when I was in college Barkha did make me blush… .

And Rizwan too probably has reasons to find his blood rush,

But then she put on a ton

and khatta ho gaya mera mann…

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On this blog, mine may not be the last word
Anna & Co do not know the spelling of COWARD

all prophets of doom are now tongue-tied
finding team Anna solidly unified

Kejriwal will borrow, but not surrender
Kiran Bedi will not an apology tender

Now the movement will grow as never before,
Anna will never be caught or get out leg before.

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Imran Khan, is the latest Pak army/ISI sponsored candidate.
If you followed his speech in Lahore on Sunday, you would have noticed that he did not even have a whiff of criticism for the real rulers and masters of Pakistan – its army and ISI. He directed his political rhetoric against the political parties.
India should maintain an aloof attitude and treat all Pak criminal, thug, callous army sponsored candidates with the disdain and contempt they have earned and deserve.

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Vijay;
About wide eyed Barkha and Drooling Shobha de, these glitteratis and chatteratis try to be modern and secular, at he cost of Indian awam. High sounding ho- ha. Inke baap ka kya jata hai. Danger to India and indians is the concern of Indian public, who can see, a person with rhetorics and jingoism is ascending in Pakistan polity, though he has lived in West, but came back as orthodox as when he went there. His look and achievement in Cricket made him darling of English high life people, whom he enjoyed, used and threw away,Jemima for instance. I hope, our leadership understands this danger and will not be as foolish as some of our anchors and writers.

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There was a wicket keeper in Pakistan cricket team about 20 years ago.
Anil Dalpat. He played few matches for Pakistan. Imran Khan when addressing
him never called him by his name, he would always address him as
bas….d, har……ada and many other deregotary names.
This I know from a Pakistani friend of mine who knew Anil Dalpat very well.
It is not possible for me to authenticate this but we were about 8 to10 friends sitting
together — among them few were Pakistanis also — when this guy told us this .
Not a single Pakistani objected to this .

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Vinod’s new blog is delayed. Wonder why?

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It seems there is a hysteria on this blog about how dangerous Imran Khan can be for India, based on his one statement about J & K. Or is it simply an opportunity for ****-bashing, Imran-bashing, bashing other objects of hate here in India? When all efforts by the whole of Pakistan – its army, the ISI and its political leadership have not been able to do much for the last 64 years, what can one person do? Get real.

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Mohan;
How about Danish kaneria, Hindu- Sindhi off spinner, one of the most successful bowler of recent times. Has been made to disappear. Just like Imran, Pakistani cricketeers are racketeers and communal to the core. Remember saeed, Inzammam and all those worthies, started wearing beard, offering namaz on ground and all those antics.

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Imran Khan is basically Good looking English Jamaat-e-Islami kind of guy.

Do watch this video and see how Imran is seen by open-minded pakistanis.

Aloo Anday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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I used to be Imran fan when he was playing cricket especially during 1983 indo-pak series. I used to imitate his action and worked up good pace. I still bowl in his action still producing very good pace. As far as cricket is concerned, he-marshall-kapil are my heroes. I use all three actions from time to time based on situation but the thrill of Imran’s action is out of this world.

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Manohar and Mahesh, you have lot in common. Hate Anna, ok. Congress is best, ok.
ARROGANCE, not ok.
Bloggers are saying disturbing thingss about Imran, listen. This man, basically a yuppie fundamentalist, lonely in Pak cos kids and wife live in Uk, shades of Jinnah here, could be next PM of India. Grenades hurled at police in Srinagar last week.
And Sir Manohar tells us, dont be HYSTERICAL. Wah, arrogance
Who said Imran blamed India for attack on Lankans, PL U PROVIDE LINK. I am shocked he said junk

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My point is this. Imran is mouth piece of the Pak army. The fact remains that Pakistan army is one of the most venal entities of last 100 years ( including genocide of its own citizens in East Pakistan ) besides genocide of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan and arming and supporting every terrorist group besides raping Pakistan itself of its resources.
So any person, who is supported by the Pak army/ISI should be held and treated with utmost contempt and including those that may argue here that Imran Khan is not currently supported by the Pak army.
He will continue to peddle the establishment, anti-India line on Kashmir besides being soft on every Jihadi group. He is full of contradictions and is a mixture of left-leaning populist, rhetoric on economic policies ( he says under him there will be no electricity shortage in Pakistan but he wont beg for foreign aid. But how ? Pakistan cannot even repair its own engines and its railway system is being dismantelded ) and Jihadi anti-American , pro-Pak-establishment rhetoric on Kashmir.

So just a word of caution. No reason to be alarmed by him nor any reason to expect any meaningful change from him. He represents Pak army/ISI status-quo.

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Pankaj

Field Hockey

I have seen lot of Hockey in late 60s/early 70s in Bombay. There used to be great local league then, which I used to attend regularly. Plus annual Bombay Gold Cup and Aga Khan Cup with all the top outstation teams in action. All that is history. Sad.

The finest player I have seen was Balbir Singh (Western Railway) – the one who scored that impossible match winning goal in Bangkok Asian Games 1966 against Pakistan. He fell foul of the authorities and never got his due and fame. The opposing teams (including BSF) used to deploy one player to tail Balbir Singh to try and make him ineffective – so dangerous he was. If his team was playing, I would make sure I was there to watch this artiste. Read more about him

http://www.hindu.com/2001/08/22/stories/07220965.htm

http://grewalbalbir.com/index.html

He excelled also in athletics and football.

There were many more. Some names I recollect – centre forward Harbinder Singh (Northern Railway) and the star-studded BSF (8 of their players were in the Indian team) – Vinod Kumar, Major Singh, Ajit Pal Singh, etc. Punjab Police, Railways, SRC – Meerut, Signals- Jullundar were some of the other fine teams.

Others I recall Cedric Perreira, Cedric D’souza (Tata’s) – India’s great goalkeeper. The finest reverse flick expert was Inam-ur-Rehman (Bhopal).

After the World Cup in 1975 (which India won), the Asian All Star XI was in Bombay. I had the opportunity to watch among others lyrical Shahnaz Sheikh and mercurial Samiullah of Pakistan and they were just as fantastic and a joy to watch.

Those were the days.

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Mohan,

you said, “”" When all efforts by the whole of Pakistan – its army, the ISI and its political leadership have not been able to do much for the last 64 years, what can one person do? Get real. “”

Pakistan has not done anything to harm India ?

Support to Khalistan movement, Kashmir turmoil, Kasab, Parliament attack,
flooding of fake curencies, various bomb blasts.

You mean to say that India was not wounded by all these above?”

THESE ARE ALL HARMLESS, FRIENDLY PRANKS BY AN OTHERWISE I-LOVE-INDIA NEIGHBOUR, IN THE EYES OF THE IMRAN FAN. ARE YOU SO STUPID THAT YOU CANNOT SEE HIS POINT (QUOTED ABOVE)?

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Is Azim Premji ,Plan “W’ of the RSS. ? …..Yes …That is what the Congress and the mouthpiece of 10 Janpath…. Digvijay Singh would like to say. Shocking no Premji’s staement … ‘Complete lack of decision making and its corruption” ..and we have a great economist and most honest PM.
Why should Ajay Maken behave like a ” BA Pass from Hansraj”. That is what he showed when he said that “a developing country like India does not need F1 ” . He has not been briefed about the economic benefits of that event. Not even what Assocham has to say ” Formula 1 GP to help India brand promotion globally:
Apex chamber ASSOCHAM has said the Formula 1 Grand Prix race in India could generate revenues of over Rs 90,000 crore in the next ten years and create 15 lakh new jobs opportunities for technical, skilled and commercial workers.”
Or was it the temerity of Jaypee to call it “Budh Circuit” and not “Jawahar Lal Nehru Circuit” or because it happened in UP governed by Mayawati or the Headline in TOIs all editions ” Jaypee… Maya show Delhi , Gurgaon how to get it Right” .
Lokks like that Congress cannot swallow the succes of F1 , inspite of all the hurdles it placed in its path.
…. Any way we say ” Congrats Jaypee…. Mayawati.”

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Anna Hazare at it again.

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Anna Hazare threatens PM with hunger strike again

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Anna-Hazare-threatens-PM-with-hunger-strike-again/Article1-763478.aspx

Yawn.

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Is this not COMMUNAL? Conversion from Islam to xtianity is an offence but conversion from hinduism to semitic faith is secular.

7 booked in Kashmir Valley over ‘conversions’

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/7-booked-in-Kashmir-Valley-over-conversions/articleshow/10562100.cms

SRINAGAR: J& have booked seven people for allegedly “luring” nine Kashmiris to convert to Christianity under a local priest’s guidance at Srinagar’s All Saints Church.

Sources said the police were also likely to act against the priest – Chander Mani Khanna – for luring the nine into converting by offering money. “Keeping in view the sensitivity of the issue, police have registered an FIR against those named for conversions,” a police officer said on the condition of anonymity.

Sources said the decision to book the seven was taken at the highest level to avoid possible unrest in the Valley.

Grand mufti Bashir-ud-din had earlier summoned Khanna to appear before his sharia court on November 12 to explain the allegations. The priest wrote to the Mufti, saying he would be able to meet him on November 15 to sort out the issue.

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Shenoy/ Manohar;
Thanks for your comments on Ray Gilchrist.

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Never imagined that Chinese Communists govt. will copy techniques of Sonia’s Congress to suppress dissent-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15533014
China artist Ai Weiwei served with $2m tax demand

Ai Weiwei spent almost three months in detention, but was never arrested.
Chinese authorities have served Ai Weiwei with an official demand telling him to pay 15m yuan ($2.3m; £1.4m) within 15 days, the artist has said.

He said he had rejected the notice, and was not sure whether he would pay.

The artist, one of China’s most famous people, was held for almost three months earlier this year before being accused of “economic crimes”.

His supporters say the accusations are part of a plot to silence Mr Ai, who is an outspoken critic of the government.

Mr Ai said he would pay the money if it was proved to be a tax issue.

But he said he had not been able to review his company’s account books because they had been taken by the authorities.

And he said he had not seen any evidence showing that the firm had evaded tax.

“I am only a designer of the company. I never signed any of the company’s contracts, nor did I ever read any of the company’s finance reports, so I have no idea,” he told the BBC.

Mr Ai was picked up by police in April as authorities rounded-up activists, following calls on websites for a Middle Eastern-style Jasmine revolution in China.

The state news agency Xinhua said in June that Mr Ai had been released “because of his good attitude in confessing” to tax evasion and because he had agreed to pay back the money he owed.

But on Tuesday he said: “It was not true that I admitted to tax evasion charges. I was never formally arrested and never charged.”

“If they really want to prove that I am a bad guy, why don’t they behave themselves to make the process more transparent?” he later added.

Since his incarceration, he has won numerous art awards, and was recently named the world’s most powerful artist in a poll carried out by an art magazine.

His case has also become a cause celebre for rights activists and critics of China’s Communist Party.

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Shan was partialy right.

Chori ka maal KABHI KABHI hazam nahin hota.

Salmant Butt and Mohd. Asif found guilty in match fixing.

Jail upto 7 years is possible.

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Pankaj,
Just read about Roy Gilchrist and I am sorry to say, he comes out as a poor sportsman.
Please read about him in wikipedia and why he was shown door by his own captain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Gilchrist

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I did not see Wesley Hall in action but I remember that he was asked to bowl post retirement (probably in India), even at that time he bowled a quickie but it was very very wide.

Andy Roberts was another bowler to watch. According to Gavaskar (the best batman against true fast bowling), Andy Roberts was most difficult to play. I however never liked his KOOBDA action.

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Dr Shan of Cingular moronic imbecilic stupidity, why you open garbage mouth. Listen to this, bloggers, his solution to kashmir=
send all pro Pak, to LOC, keep pro Indians towards Jammu and tbe JKLF type independence lovers in between. Oh, buffoon Dr Shan says mine the border extensively.
Someone pl pl chek his MBBS cert, is it fake. This idiocy paases for foreign policy in his cockroach brain. THIS PIG COMES OUT WITH NONSENSE ,week after week. I genunely think he wants to kill me with Bp

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@Bloggers et al , somebody please check VDRL test for sandhu , guaranteed to be positive , he is showing signs of neurosyphilis, also a CT brain will show his BRAIN IS ATROPHIED to the size of a walnut ,due Chronic Alcoholism.
Lastly check his passport , it is as a result of kabuterbazi ,he entered UK

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At all, especially Ashish, Rajeev, Rajiv,

WE Have the conservative but efficient Premji and Narayanmurthy… but where is our swashbuckling Steve Jobs??????

Am reading Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson.

Pretty fascinating.

I was pretty interested to know about Steve’s India experiences. Well there were indeed extreme. It is about hunting for sublime spirituality which he finds and does not at times. Also about heat and dysentery. A lot about travelling to extreme ends, including Manali where I still see a lot of hippies hanging around. Yet he seems to have taken the Hare Krishana experieces seriously and also that of Zen Buddhism.

At least India seems to have shaped his thinking. Hold on… becausee Indians he says, have a strong sense of intution.

And he says his products reflect the sublime beauty and simplicity of his spiritual experiences..

Now do we have this strong sense of intution?
My intutive sense says that Congress aur dynasty alvida!

But more seriously, Steve Jobs even rates his LSD and marijuana as deep POSITIVE influences ! Well If I remember correctly, 1974 was also the year of the Dev Anand – Zeenat Aman starrer, Hare rama hare Krishana. (somebody can correct me on this since I was really yet to open my eyes then) which also looked at those hippies. Even Woznaik, his collegue and another guy who is pretty senior in Google was one of those hippies on the Hare Rama hare Krishana trail !

Steve jobs is probably the Einstein of this generation.

Now my tongue and cheek question to all … Does it require extreme spiritual, counterculture experiences to create the breakthrough products which Steve managed to do. Like the Macintosh PC… and then then the I pod, I phone, I — Pad etc….???

hey so my question remains. … for all !

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Ideas : Mr Vinod Sharma’s next blog subject

Mr Sharma’s blog is over-due.
Last 3 blogs, in descending order. have been calculated tirades against
Kiran Bedi,
Anna,
Kejriwal

Has he run out of team-Anna members to write blog against ?
Or Mr Sharma has lost interest in writing, considering the overwheming criticism and acerbic retorts that his pro-Congress campaign draws here ?

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Difference between 1984 sikh genocide and 2002 Gujarat riots-
http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/198308/ftn-is-it-time-to-stop-comparing-the-riots-of-84–02.html

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Rajeev, Pankaj, Mohan, Praveen Saxena,

Azim Premji seems to have rubbed the congress party the wrong way.

But, more interesting is the upcoming UP elections and in this context, the joint appeal made by Ex-chief of RS

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MR. VINOD SHARMA WHAT ABOUT BARKHA DUTT, VIR SANGHVI, PRABHU CHAWLA ? THEY WERE CAUGHT NAKED ON RADIA TAPES? ON WHOSE SUPPORT SHOBHNA BHARTIYA HAS BECOME A MEMBER OF UPPER HOUSE?WHAT ABOUT ROBERT VADRA WHO HAS BECOME BILLION ER AFTER MARRIAGE TO PRIYANKA? AS A TRUE CONGRESSMAN LIKE YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUBLISH IT RETURN OF ROBERT VADRA FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.WHAT ABOUT RAJIV GANDHI WHO BUTCHERED MORE THAN 10000 SIKHS.

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Not that I found it strange , but a sort of confirmation of a hunch , that probabaly Editors of the HT Media are under an obligation that they shall defend the Congress Party on all occasions. Yesterday I saw Mr Shashi Shekhar Editor “Hindi Hindustan”, coming out with all sorts of arguments critical of Anna’s latest letter . He could be genuinely be feeling that way … but is it not too much of a coincidence.
What could also be true is that many of the present day Editors have formed a cabal , to dominate the Media and the discourse with their own viewpoint , stifle and snuff out the contrarian , and the juniors to survive have to fall in line. There can be no doubt that alignment with Congress Party , is more lucrative . The Party is known to take good care of its loyalists …. and this tried and tested modus-operandi to control the media continues.

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Bribery and Corruption

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Chinese and Russian firms fare worst in bribery index, India improves

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/Chinese-and-Russian-firms-fare-worst-in-bribery-index-India-improves/articleshow/10579055.cms

Excerpt

India’s score improved the most, with an increase of 0.7, but it still remains near the bottom of the table. Canada and the United Kingdom saw the most significant deterioration in their scores with a drop of -0.3,

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There is a ground in Range Hills Khadki, Pune which has produced some great Hockey Talent especially Dhanraj Pillai..

I spent my many years in that Area playing cricket and watching hockey matches (not understanding enough). Kahan gaye wo din..

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Rajeev,

Regarding your post on the CNN-IBN Tv debate yesterday on whether it was wrong to compare 1984 anti-Sikh pogrom with the 2002 Hindu Muslim riots in Gujrat.

I too watched the debate. it was clear that it is becoming increasingly difficult for the secular media and pseudo seculars to balance the former with the latter, because they cannot be compared. Comparisons can be between riots of the same nature, like Gujrat and Bhagalpur etc.

Anti-Sikh pogrom of 1984 was unique in India’s history. Actually, the Hindu community was not involved in the massacres per se. It was the planned handiwork of a few congress leaders who let loose their goons on a hapless community for settling scores. Though Rajiv Gandhi personally didn’t indulge in it, he is still guilty of giving the order for the settling of the score and then preventing the police and army from doing anything for three days in the national capital.

In Gujarat, Modi can be blamed for being inept in his handling of the rioters of both communities and for inadequate response to the situation. He was also terribly inexperienced.

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Shortcomings and malignant provisions in the Government’s draft of the Lokpal bill

by Anil Divan

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2586273.ece?homepage=true

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Vinod Sharma seems to have hit a writer’s block.
does he hear the ticking of the clock?
whom will he now put in the dock?
May Justice Katju be asked to de-frock?
or Amul Baby giving his party a shock?
Or even Assange snooking a ****?

whatever be the subject, Vinodji,
your blog mates are listless and be-chain on the blog
they are watching the ghadi do the tick-tock.

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Ahmedabad Muslims find way around aum for yoga—INDIAN EXPRESS.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ahmedabad-muslims-find-way-around-aum-for-yoga/869839/0

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Another cartoon. Similar reaction.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/france-muhammad-cartoon-attack_n_1071111.html?ref=world

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@ Prahlad

Hey don’t call me sir… we are all equal on this blog. Even though some of us here are grandfathers… while others are fresh sprouts!

Now I am not suggesting that LSD and marijuana help creativity! All I am saying is that Steve Jobs took all his experinces in a positive light, even those which I would call bad and a waste of time, and a disaster to health. LSD has caused enough damage to people who took it.

At that time– as I understand from his biography– John Lennon of the beatles was an inspirational figure for kids in the west. Many of them were taking drugs for entertainment as well as protesting against being drafted for war in the Vietnam.

For Steve jobs, possibly the hunt was on for his missing parents who dumped him. Kids from broken families– which is the norm now in many societies and many of people who hate their parents still know where they are. But probably not knowing who they are– as was in JOb’s case– could also be a force for a perpetual hunt for spiritual and material satisfaction.

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3 Pakistani cricketers are in jail now

Salman Butt for 30 months. Asif for 12. And Mohammad Amir for 6 months.

Will be a life changing experience.

Hope this finally sends the ultimate message to match fixing players.

And Azharuddin, COngress MP, must be laughing that he GOT away…

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BJP to bank on Iron Man for gains in UP assembly election

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/BJP-to-bank-on-Iron-Man-for-gains-in-UP-assembly-election/articleshow/10549591.cms

Can’t they find anyone from their own side that they have to take the help of a stalwart of the Congress Party?

Amazing party.

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The format of this new blog is surely tiresome, idiotic, slow, irritating.

It has already driven away some good people like Raju, Gopi, Shoeb, Rizwan and so many others.

But the HT – IT departments seems to be sold out on this idiot called Disqus.

And now with this blog posting number touching 750, Disqus has stopped loading in my notebook.

WHY WHY WHY …

Can’t the HT people go back to the previous format?????

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@mahesh, i wrote a few days ago in response to your post about OWS.i was flicking through Prof Ramachandran’s new book THE TELL TALE BRAIN.The bit on language did not convince me .As you know how language came into being is one of the most fascinating subject . According to Noam chomsky , it came suddenly from nowhere.
According to professor, the brain responded with sounds that befits the object a kind of mimickimg , the M neuron. Then again the jaro tribe of andaman do not have a language , yet they are Homo Sapiens.Some primitive tibes have full compliment of words or a proper language ,as much primitive they may be in other ways ,like cannibalism in papua new ginea tribes.
Then in British museum there is that ROSETTA STONE.This is the hieroglyphics which was first deciphered by Egyptologist Howard Carter.The plaque explains how to read the hieroglyphics. The cat stands for a sound meow , the eagle stands for the god as well as the sound horus. Now adding all these sounds words emerge.
Then prior to this was CUNEIFORM SCRIPT , still standing in IRAN.only several variation of triangle denoting sounds.Then again the Assyrians produced the first complete drama GIGELMUSH some 1000 yrs before the egyptians.
Your thought will be much appreciated

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/287026/spot-fixing-imran-pained-at-jail-sentence-for-trio/

pl see my own comment published there, it is the 10th comment from the top. what do u guys think ? anyways here goes I said-

‘ I, AN INDIAN, AM OUTRAGED BY THE STIFF SENTENCES. Over the top. I have seen teenagers, here in UK, mug an old age pensioner, steal his money and send him to hospital- and all they got was a community sentence- go clean the park !!!!

I think the Pakistani cricket management, their embassy here WERE wrong FOR ALLOWING THEM TO UNDERGO TRIAL IN UK.

remember, South Africans simply stayed away from India to avoid prosecution. ‘

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Another of pandit mishra’s gaddari. Sell my soul to get british passport , then bad mouth the brits. Says a bit about this particular caste character.
There was a news in NDTV today about a couple stabbled in broad daylight by some goons in a crowded place in Bombay , NOT A SINGLE ONLOOKER CAME FOR HELP.
ALSO PANDIT SHOULD READ A LITTLE ABOUT THE NIHARI PSYCHOPATH SARDAR.
As for pakistani cricketers , they are pakistani THUS STUPID, got caught.Like they blamed India when srilankan cricket team was attacked , or Gilani denying to Condolezza Rice ,that the perpetrators of Mumbai carnage came from pakistan.
That the pakistanis got convicted is a LESSON INDIAN INVESTGATING AGENCY SHOULD DO WELL TO EMULATE.
Special technical knowledge of retreiving deleted text messaages was provided by canadian police by virtue of BLACKBERRY ie RESEARCH IN MOTION being based in Canada.

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Therefore?

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YOU CAN SELL YOUR MOTHER FOR MONEY

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WHY YOU DID NOT DEMAND APOLOGY FROM SONIA FOR 176000 CRORE

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Dr SHAN OF AGRA ASYLUM, CINGULATE GYRUS, you know what I agrre you. Dr mishra is softie, I am glad that someone scred the pants out of pakistani cricket. Two points
1. How come Shane Warne wasnt punished? Double stds ? 2. Dr shan, your style of posting remains VULGAR and content nonsensical.
Animal like manners you have, most despised man on blog. Now 35.years and still unmarried

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Ashish

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Who’s to blame? Themselves or others!

Your response.

BJP has done all but advertise for a smart marketing and PR team they need very badly to counter the bad press they get.

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What are your and other members/bloggers’ views on this?

IMO, marketing and PR helps just, not beyond a certain point and that point is not very far. At the end of the day, one’s actions/deeds speak for oneself.

Take for example, the Congress party today – it stands almost discredited in the eyes of the public. Marketing and PR is not going to help much. Only actions can help it regain lost ground (*).

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* It seems they are already on the job,

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/11/04&PageLabel=14&EntityId=Ar01400&ViewMode=HTML

CORNERED UPA EYES BILL BONANZA

A) Govt to make it tough for criminal netas

New Delhi:

The government is proposing radical reforms to ensure decriminalization of politics and intends to table a bill in parliament’s winter session proposing to debar candidates facing trial in serious and heinous offences.
At present, under the Representation of People Act, only persons convicted by a trial court and sentenced to more than two years imprisonment are debarred from elections for a period of six years from the date of completion of the prison term. This allows persons facing multiple murder charges to contest elections. Moreover, even if a sitting MP or MLA is convicted and sentenced to more than two years jail, he continues to be a people’s representative and can attend parliament or assembly if he files an appeal in a higher court and gets a stay on the conviction.
The proposed bill, first reported by TOI on June 17, is going to be strict on such exigencies and says those who are chargesheeted for murder, terrorism, rape, dacoity and similar offences would be debarred from contesting elections till the trial court acquits them.
The bill is part of the larger bouquet of anticorruption measures the government has embarked upon to blunt the attacks it has faced from Team Anna. It plans to pass three legislations: Lokpal bill, judicial standards and accountability bill and whistleblowers protection bill in the winter session. The proposed amendments also include withdrawing immunity to sitting MPs and MLAs.
The government intends to force an elected representative to resign from his membership from parliament or assembly the moment a trial court finds him guilty of an offence and sentences him to more than two years

B) Will food bill be 2014 poll’s loan-waiver?

New Delhi:

Starting next fiscal, the National Food Security Act (NFSA) will be rolled out in phases running up to the parliamentary polls in what could be an attempt to do a loan-waiver rerun in 2014.
The government has finalized the bill, bringing it substantially closer to the National Advisory Council (NAC) recommendations.
The government has resolved most of the issues that were at variance with the NAC’s suggestions and intends to finalize and table the bill in the winter session of parliament.
The bill is likely to take a “life-cycle approach” with provisions for all — infants to senior citizens — by converging various schemes into a set of entitlements under the food law.
The Integrated Child Development Scheme, Mid-day Meal programme and Janani Suraksha scheme for would-be mothers would be brought in as entitlements under the proposed Act.
The provisions for old-age pensions, run by Union rural development ministry, is likely to be kept in the food law as a directive principle rather than an explicit entitlement.
“We are following a womb-to-tomb philosophy,” an official said.
The government has also decided to go midway in meeting NAC’s recommendation on provisions under the public distribution system. The Sonia Gandhi-led panel had suggested that ‘general category’ (above poverty line) should get 20kg of foodgrains as compared to the 35kg provided to the ‘priority category’.
The first government draft instead scaled it down to 3kg per individual for ‘general’ category (five-person per family). Now, the Centre proposes to add “minimum” to this 3kg, with the provision to increase it with improvement in procurement and production of grains.

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@Balls the Troll(a name given by Ashish)
SHANE WARNE WAS SUSPENDED FOR ONE YEAR FOR TAKING DIURETICS TO REDUCE WEIGHT
As for your lot in Punjab Police
The Chandigarh detective leading the hunt for the fugitive suspect in the killing