When young lead violent processions!

Government formation after the next election will be a completely Machiavellian exercise. Team Anna ain’t seen anything yet.

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Lucky to be the first one.

Very smart analysis, Mr. Sharma. Put the BJP on par with Congress on the issue of corruption.

Heera Chor = Kheera Chor!!

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Vinodji

Very well analysed.

A large section (read sycophants) of the Congress have never accepted Dr. Manmohan Singh as the Prime Minister – these loyalists (who are more loyal than the King himself) only wish to see only a member of the family in that position or themselves and no other. That is crux of the problem and that is why it has been presenting the opposition with one opportunity after another to take them to the cleaners. Disaster keeps striking it with regular frequency.

First, the BJP has become a “reactionary” party. It only reacts – with disastrous results – to events. Haven’t seen any (original) initiative (OK, OK, except farcical ones – fast and rath yatra, what else is new, if one may ask) emanating from the party on any of the major problems and issues confronting the nation. Second, the tussle for the numero uno position is normal in any party – should not be an issue. In any case, this tussle should not be given any importance and has no relevance – when the time comes, Mohan Bhagwat & Co. will decide who will occupy that chair.

Regarding who is a whistle blower and who is not. No surprises – it is the double standards and doublespeak, for which the BJP is infamously known for.

The infighting in the CPM will not cause any reverberations – at the moment the party has lost its relevance and the people would not to be too bothered with the shenanigans there within. A mere side show, if you ask me.

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Agree with you Vinod. Good analysis.

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Is there a prize from Congress high command for this comments ?

“Things might somewhat improve in the Congress now that Sonia Gandhi’s back after a surgery abroad. In her absence, the ruling party was like a waist belt without a buckle, unable to hold up its trousers.”

Meanwhile, I would advice Mr Sharma, whose loyalties to Congress far exceed any loyalty to anything else ( thats the conclusion I draw based on his blogs for last 1-2 years where he is simply incapable of critically examining Congress corruption and communalism, without dragging others in ) , to restrict himself to commening about things he knows, like Congress and Amar Singh ( who allegedly often supplies Mr Sharma with doctored CD’s and is a distributor of choice for them )

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Marxists would have won in Kerala, if not for their in-fightings. They lost only by four seats; many seats they lost were only by less than five hundred votes.

Right from the beginning of the last administration, the corrupt wing of the party (led by Party Secretary Vijayan) was against Achuthanadan, a clean politician. They won the number of seats they got because of Achuthanandan, youngsters really liked his simple living and non-corruptible positions.

hey are still the largest party in the state; congress won only because of the solid Muslim support – Muslim League won almost 25 or seats (out of the 136 seat assembly). In fact, Kunjalikutty, the Muslim league senior minister is the de facto chief minister, and not Ommen Chandy of congress.

The marxist infighting still continues; now the corrupt wing is after Dr Thomas Isaac, another clean politician.

But the ruling UPA (UDF here) has too many issues– people and media give them another 3-6 months before they will collapse and a left front to come back.

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After hounding members of Anna’s team now it is Swami’s turn.

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?737141

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@ Vinod Sharma

You have to admit that the UPA shot itself in the foot over the past one year. Just last year, after the obama visit, veryone was on a high.

And now the UPA is at its lowest.

Why did you not name the villians.

1) Mani Silencer Aiyar, who failed as sports Miinister and then wanted his revenge by
shouting 70000 crores looted

2) Digvijay and Amul Baba pitching for the PM’s seat for which they wanted to show MMS was weak

3) Two old men– Pranab and Chidu doing kushti for the hot seat.

4) All the possible scams which could have been easily tackled but the ofensive spokesmen fo the party like Manish Tewari ended up alientaing the people of India and making them feel that the government was hiding something

These are lessons which future governments must learn…

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The partry discipline in all parties is a thing of the past. However, the ranks will align to a strong leader who can discipline the troops, a moralistic leader behind whom the country lines up behind).
Congress is in a bad shape. That does not mean it will be an effortless ride for others.
There are several trends :
- A general dissatisfaction with all parties — evidenced by Anna Hazare success. This is an universal phenomena, tea party in US, jasmine power in the arab land, strikes in europe etc all point to a worldwide dissatisfaction with status quo
- a general feeling that Congress does too much appeasing; to the extent that Islamic radicals can do what they want
- Development is needed before any social justice issues
- India could be better , stronger, richer — the political class is blocking (BJP may win this argument)
- India /US should have better stronger relations (Cong and BJP may be equal here).

More later –

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Manohar and Gopi,
The trouble is – the official political class has ceased representing people.
Congress might be on its way to disintegration post 2014 elections given the pulls and pressures it is experiencing from several “quarters”.
As for CPM and CPI – these were my personal favourite candidates and I have to admit having placed bets on losing horses as far as “representational polity” is concerned.
p.s. for Shenoy : BJP doesn’t even count when it comes to economist perspective. Maybe you may want to have a discussion on economics in your Sangh Shakhas.

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Vinod,
The questions I’ve raised lack novelty. They are as old as the Himalayas. So are the answers to these posers.
Vinod, it is worth reading your post only for the above line.
Congress is corrupt; so is BJP.
Congress is riven with factionalism; so is BJP. Et tu, CPM!
If Argal is BJP’s whistleblower; then Bhatt is Congress’.
Pranab and Chidu fighting? Oh, come on! Isn’t Modi undermining Advani?
Essentially, guys- nothing to choose between Congress and BJP on corruption and discipline.
Now that Soniaji is back, discipline in Congress will return. Jai ho!
Wah, bhai wah. Brilliant analysis. Repeat ad nauseum blog after blog.

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My perspective (along with many in my age group — below 35) is that BJP has a huge potential, either alone, or with partners, to win the next elections.

We also feel that they(BJP) should not force a mid-term election; things should go its natural direction – a totally dysfunctional central govt, existing and new corruption scandals, inflation, deceleration of growth – all these will culminate into a natural state when people will vote for anybody but congress.

BJP should stray from the fray and focus on differentiating items. Yatra etc is neither a vote puller nor a branding vehicle. Advani should be dissuaded, especially when his party hands are involved in the mining scandal.

They should leverage the post Anna mood – clean administration, love for the country. Should hammer on unsolved terrorist cases, should compare and contrast BJP states growth vs others (put Mayawati in her place too). If Gujrat, with all its industry, can deliver electricity 24 x 7to residential and industrial customers, that should be in their electioneering slogan

Nation’s wealth, nation’s youth, nation’s food, nation’s security — appealing messages delivered with consistency by telegenic personalities, coupled with feet on the ground, with capable partners like Jaya and Nitish; may be Naidu too — should play well. Keep Gadkiri behind the scenes.

The 40 plus seats of Andhra Pradesh is a wild card. Telengana, Jagan, and other factions make it possible for a BJP alliance to win few seats there. Couple it with the 39 Jaya will deliver, and maintaining/improving the Karnataka position (BJP won comfortably in the koppel byeelection) — BJP alliance should be able to obtain 65-70 seats from South India.( vs a 20 or below for UPA)

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@ SHOEB

Nice analysis, Bjp would be a fool to foul this up. I had grave reservations about Modi’s fast but the wily bugger pulled it off. The presence of Gujrati muslims in large numbers at his fast was an indication of people wanting to move on.

His comment about not giving special treatment to any group but to treat everyone as a Gujrati was bold stuff indeed- given the caste riven electoral politics post Mandal. Hope Jaya too does not foul it up, although her toxic interview with abrasive Karan Thapar shows she stiil has to become media savvy- she has to learn how to swim past snappy alligators.

BTW, I am staying at Radisson’s in Mahabalipuram this thurs-sat for a wedding, on the rare chance you are around it would be nice to treat you to a drink or meal ?

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Sorry guys this gem got lost in the last blog.

It deserves your full consideration.

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This was posted by RajeevS

F.U.C.K Mohammad. and F.U.C.K his Islam.He should have visited Rajghat..
A Like Reply 1 day ago in reply to engrich 0 Like
F .

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Dr Mishra…I do not expect a comment from you, but I am eternal optimist.

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BOOM BOOM”””””””’

The man in the khaki shorts stands alone, a figure of scorn.

And yet when there is the earthquake in Gujrat or when the Sikhs are being murdered in Delhi, or when the bihari labourers are being slaughtered by the khalistanis, the cadres are the FIRST to arrive on the scene.

The first to donate blood when 1962 and 1965 wars broke out. Rewarded by Nehru by inclusion in the ? ‘1963 republic day parade. Dr Ambedkar (my hero) enthused about them for their abolition of caste in the shakhas. They trained dalits to become temple priests.

I could go on and on about their good points- their weak ones are too well known. For 99% of Indians who enter politics do so to make tons of money. And therefore joining the congress is logical for them, ideology be damned. Not so for the unsung cadre, not unlike the nameless faceless lakhs who agitated behind Anna.

If only there was a way of harnessing the good in these cadres to make them a political force

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Ashish

Do you like my Avatar.

I had it made just so I could put a smile on your face.

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one more humble attempt to make Pandit Mishra NANGA and flog him , in this blog. HE WAS GOING GA GA ABOUT RSS AND ITS LOVE FOR DALITS. Can snake not bite even if feed them milk.
Excerpts from the Secret Circular No.411 issued by the RSS:

[…] Scheduled Castes and Other Backward Classes are to be recruited to the party so as to increase the volunteers to fight against the Ambedkarites and Mussalmans.

Hindutva should be preached with a vengeance among physicians and pharmacists so that, with their help, time expired [sic.] and spurious medicines might be distributed amongst the Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Scheduled Tribes. The newborn infants of Shudras, Ati-Shudras, Mussalmans, Christians and the like should be crippled by administering injections to them. To this end, there should be a show of blood-donation camps.

Encouragement and instigation should be carried on [sic.] more vigorously so that the womenfolk of Scheduled Castes, Mussalmans and Christians live by prostitution.

Plans should be made more fool-proof so that the people of the Scheduled Castes, Backward Classes, Musslamans and Christians, especially the Ambedkarites, become crippled by taking in [sic.] harmful eatables.

Special attention should be given to the students of Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes so as to make them read the history written according to our dictates.

During riots the women of Mussalmans and Scheduled Castes should be gang-raped. Friends and acquaintances cannot be spared. The work should proceed on the Surat model.

Publication of writings against Mussalmans, Christians, Buddhists and Ambedkarites should be accelerated. Essays and writings should be published in such a way as to prove that Ashoka was opposed to the Aryans.

All literature opposed to Hindus and Brahmins are [sic.] to be destroyed. Dalits, Mussalmans, Christians and Ambedkarites should be searched out. Care should be taken to see that this literature do [sic.] not reach public places. Hindu literature is to apply [sic.] to the Backward Classes and Ambedkarites.

The demand by the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes for filling in the backlog vacancies in services shall by no means be met. Watch should be kept to see that their demands for entry and promotion in government, non-government or semi-government institutions are to be rejected and their service records are destroyed with damaging reports.

Measures should be taken to make the prejudices amongst Scheduled Castes and Backward people more deep-rooted. To this end, help must be taken from saints and ascetics.

Attacks should be started with vigour against equality, preaching communists [sic.], Ambedkarites, Islamic teachers, Christian missionaries and neighbours [?].

Assaults should be made on Ambedkar’s statues with greater efforts.

Dalit and Muslim writers are to be recruited to the party and by them the essays and literature opposed to the Dalits, Ambedkarites and Mussalmans written and preached. Attention is to be paid to see that these writings are properly edited and preached [sic.].

Those opposed to Hindutva are to be murdered through false encounters. For this work the help of the police and semi-military [sic.] forces should always be taken.granted.

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Vinodji;
Khase badmash ho. Purana blog abhi tak response le raha hai!!!. Would like to meet you in Delhi. Hindustan Times building is a land mark at KG Raod, Am I correct? I take a right or left turn at Scindia house and there you are. Once I crossed my path with Sardarji, You knpow, khushwanta.

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Smelly cockroach Dr Shan of darnley street, aapka hi intezaar tha. This secret RSSdocument, how did u find it . Somehow any posr from you which does not have white arsee worship from u, seems strange.
You feeling okay, forgotten to take your penicillin today ??

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i am posting something which everybody knows BUT WILFULLY DENIES, LET HONESTY PREVAIL
‘THE SECOND OPEN LETTER OF TRUE RAM SEVAKS’

“Let the Ambedkarite Harijans who oppose the Hindutva ideology understand. We will not allow them [to] mix with even the soil of Hindustan. Today, time is in our hands. Hindutva is the ideology of true Hindus [and] it never accepts the Harijans who are the offspring of the untouchable Ambedkar. The Ambedkarite Harijans, Bhangis, Tribals and the untouchable Shudra castes who believe in Ambedkar do not have any right to give speeches or criticize the Hindutva ideology in Hindustan, because as a dog raises its leg and urinates whenever there is a question or discussion related to the Hindutva ideology these Ambedkarites, Harijans, Bhangis, Adivasis and other untouchable low castes sling their dirt on the Hindutva ideology or show their caste [their low birth] by speaking abusively about it.

Now Hindutva has become aware [sic.] and it is time to teach these Ambedkarite untouchable Harijans a lesson. Not even the Miyans [Muslims] can come to their aid now. Understanding the Hindutva ideology requires a large heart. What will these untouchable Ambedkarites, who raise their leg and urinate, understand of the Hindutva ideology?

The fact that the Honorable Narendra Modi has gained a large victory in Gujarat has been because of the Hindutva ideology, not because of the untouchable Harijans [or because of] the Ambedkarite ideology. Narendrabhai has gained victory single-handedly in Gujarat because he explained the true ideology of Hindutva [..]

Vishwa Hindu Parishad, 11 Mahalaxmi Society, Paldi, Karnavati-380007.[4]

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@Mahesh, manohar, ravi , etc(serious open minded bloggers)
First a disclaimer PREDICTION IS AN IMPERPECT SCIENCE
India’s Next general election
Congress is in deep s h i t . It is mired in all negative news. The next election will see the POLITICAL GRANDEES all retiring, MMS, Pranab, Chidambaram , they have said so.
Sonia gandhi is NOT WELL , she didn’t go to have her gallbladder whipped out.
Congress without Sonia , I THINK GEN NEXT (scindia, pilot, jindal) will fight Digvijay, Gulam Nabi ,kamal nath and the lot. It may not be a foregone conclusion that Rahul will take over.
BJP despite shoeb’s wishes WILL ONLY PANDER TO ITS CORE CONSTITUENCY.
Also BJP currently is full of DULLARDS, they all speak in monosyllables. THEIR STAR ORATOR IS MODI, who will not be invited in Patna.
In fact there is a schism devoloping in BJP , is modi an asset or liability.
Excise Modi , No one can drag BJP into gujrat riot , is this the reason Modi was given cold shoulder.
There is NO PAN INDIAN PARTY , lots of regional party will play part in horse trading.
All the above on the presumption that the EVENT CURVE is following a staright curve.
THEN THERE ARE SO MANY CURVES TO REPRESENT SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

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bernard shaw ’s remark that “POLITICS IS THE LAST GAME FOR SCOUNDRELS” IS APT EVEN TODAY.
WHAT ABOUT JOURNALIST?
MY QUESTION TO YOU MR SHARMA IS ,WHY DONOT YOU TALK OF REAL ISSUES?
WHY DONOT YOU TALK OF CONTINUED CHINESE INTRUSION OR SUCH IMPORTANT ISSUES?
ANY HOME OR PARTY WITHOUT REAL LEADER IS BOUND TO BE THE WAY CONGRESS PARTY BEHAVES.CRISIS OF LEADERSHIP IS THERE.
FOR US NATION IS IMPORTANT NOT INDIVIDUAL PERSON OR PARTIES.
WHY DONOT YOU TAKE ONE ISSUE AND PRESENT IT THREADBARE AS KARAN THAPAR DOES!

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Cockroach DR SHAN wasted my time, came up with a silly link. Look at your idiotic shrill comment below “”"prediction of election is imperfect….”"”
then u come up with 4paras of complete $hit, shrieking boasting like he is saying something imp. Last blog he said jews are one race, forgot about black african jews. Moron, forget tajender. Ban dr shan instead for boredom

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All,

It looks like this format allows a free access to Ram Avtar /Tajender/Gingrich/Lakshman to abuse the intelligence and common sense of the participants. This rabid Islamist destroyed Zia’s blogs; he will do the same here, with his ranting on Jews, Brahmins, Zionists, Upper Caste, you name what.

I do not want to see/read that; so I have decided not to blog here until his access is disabled..

All the best for you!;

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Benoy Hegde is right, this blog is going the Zia way. The Islamophobic statements as well as statements like this are rancid- engrich- savarkar was homosexual like most of jew….’

Vinodji, your blog, you decide. I leave.

SHOEB, waiting to hear from u reg Mahabalipuram (see below)

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@Engrich naam , islam jiska jaam.
I will agree that what you write, there is fair bit of truth in it , AS ALSO UTTER RUBBISH OF JEWISH JAILOR TEACHING SAVARKAR LESSONS IN FASCISM.
However PLEASE WRITE ON THE CURRENT STATE OF ISLAMIC WORLD.
Would you concede that all the ILLS THAT BEDEVILLS islamic world is due to ADHERING to a GARBAGE called HADITH written 800 yrs after prophet’s death from HEARSAY. also would you agree WITHOUT OIL, islamic countries WOULD BE ALL GREATER SOMALIA . That unless all ISLAMIC countries become SECULAR and give its citizens FULL FREEDOM OF EXPRESSSION , they will be of only interest to the HUMANITY AT LARGE, TILL THE OIL LAST. If a substitute is found , ISLAMIC COUNTRIES WILL REVERT TO ZAHILIA.

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Guys,

Just ignore this guy Tajender/Ramautar/engrich. The problem with Zia’s
blog is that there is a guy Jai Khosla who responds to him with his own garbage
which riles him up and he comes up with more of his BS. By ignoring he may
realise his mistake — will he realise ? — and may stop bloging here .

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VINOD ji

Some of your bloggers border on genius. Their rangr of knowledge and the links they provide is what makes your blog read by all my friends from Uk to Amritsar. Last week Rajiiv and Mishraji set blog on fire with their info on Jonnah and Pakiistan.
Before that the two pundits Ashish and Mishra argued vaary nicely about Bengal commies. Gopi and doc are masters at Indian history. Gopi and Shoeb sre blogs south indian experts . Etc etc. BUT TO MAKE THEIR REFINED VOICES HEARD, THE SNARLING OF LESSER MINDS MUST BE CENSORED.
I do not have patience to sit thru miles long manusmriti cut paste from engrich, I will go to nihilistic dalit hate filled websites if I want that.
So Vinod ji count me out again. Never thought that tajender who violatef spirit of our brave CAPT UNNIKRISHNAN would find way back on blog

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~~~ A POEM DEDICATED TO ENGRICH the EUNUCH ~ !!! ~~~
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Here is a poem for everyone to enjoy :

T U R D Tajendar ke petticoat se nikla yeh Engrich
Sab ko lagta hai.. yeh hai ek Eunuch, ek Eunuch

Wah wah !! Wah !!!

Iss se debate ka kya fayada
Dimag nahi hai iska zaida
Yeh toh hai eunuch, ek eunuch !!

Ha ha ah !!! HA!!

ISI ka pyaada hai
cut and paste ka shezaada hai yeh
Yeh toh hai Engrich, Engrich

Yahoo Hahaha !!

ISI ne jab kiya thaa isko khassi
Tab Jehad ki talwar di iskko asli
Yah toh hai Engrich Engrich,
Asal mein ek unique eunuch…

Ha ha ha ha !!!!

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Vinod is of the opinion that now since Sonia is back, she will put the house in order…

This precisely is one of the issues with Congress – one leader, no democracy in the party, no emerging leaders… This was not the case with the party until few years into Smt Indira Gandhi’s PM ship. Shrimathi Gandhi successfully managed to destroy the “syndicate”, and other leaders like Morarji, crushed the local/regional leaders and powerful CMs, and cancelled/postponed party elections, three/four years into her PMship. People like Barua who sensed “either with me or get crushed” started singing praises like Diggie is doing now.

The great party of Gandhiji, Nehru, Patel, Azad became a plaything for Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi to settle scores, to cement political gains, garner advantages.

Shrimathi Indira Gandhi made sure that there will be only eunuchs as cabinet ministers and party dignitaries; they will not let one of them become PM, and that will force them to always go to the family for the next leader. Her plans have lived on, and the eunuchs have performed the way she dreamed — even beyond her wildest dreams — that they will not find a leader in the land of 1.2 billion people, and the mantle of leadership “had to be awarded” to the foreign born bereaved widow, who was never in politics, quite possibly not even a party member.

Even in her wildest dreams, Shrimathi Indira Gandhi would have imagined the eunuchs will be so well trained and indoctrinated that they will settle for her diminutive Italian daughter in law, instead of one among themselves. And we criticize the Chinese Communist party?

The tragedy (or comedy?) is that she (Sonia) has proved to be temperamentally more fit for the leadership rather than these clowns. And she has picked on the Indian mythology and ethos – She is a well-revered Bhishma who sacrificed the crown. (one more plus, she even left her native country) – Bhishma Pithamaha’s sacrifice is always glorified; however, nobody ever talks about whether that sacrifice was worth anything– Bhishma continued to rule the country through proxy, as the de facto king, in effect not sacrificing anything.

And then she knows in a land where some Bahus are burned to death, other Bahus are more than welcome and given the keys of the house, even the Kingdom!.

What a country!

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Sanjeev Bhatt’s wife is deeply hurt and anguished . She believes that her husband , a highly celeberated whistleblower for those , who cannot accept and tolerate those who the people of Gujarat elect to be in power in that state , should not be investigated even if he charged with serious offences .She wants the Law to act with deference and respect , towards Mr Sanjiv Bhatt as he occupied a high office. He , should not be interrogated , premises should not be searched , rather he should not be investigated. After all he is an IG rank officer in the Gujarat Police. He should have the freedom to confine ,coerce and force a constable to file wrong affidavits and give false evidence.
He posseses a lot of information. First it was the Gujarat Riots , and how Narendra Modi fanned those riots.So what if no court was willing to accept nor rely on those affidavits Now he knows a lot of Haren Pandya’s murder. But surpisingly he never provided that information to the CBI all the while it was investigating that Murder . Now CBI cannot be tarnished by Mr Bhatt with the same brush which he uses against the Gujarat Police.
But what was Vaghela doing at her residence. Guiding her on her next move…what she should say to the media …or something more…and a hint was there in a newspaper that he was there to save the skin of another senior Gujarat Congress man.

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Today’s International Herald Tribune carries an article celebrating the achievements of Swami Vivekanand. Worth a read.

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Zias blog in peak was 800 comments average. LAST ZIA BLOG WAS 33 comments, 24 by egerinch tajender , 5 by lovely DR IDIOT SHAN.
Only persons missing were Bobby Darling and Dolly Bindra who are of tajenders intellectual level and SHANs cultural level

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The loud chorus singing has started again – engrich haTaao.

If he is banned (I am against all types of ban), then there are two or three more here, who also need to be given marching orders. In any case, Vinod Sharma has mentioned that he will intervene if required, so why the clamour?

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MANOHAR, only for u I respond.
1. Blog must have minimal intelectual standards. Comments like savarkar and jews are gay, or Inian jews are disguised as brahmins, are stooopid.
2 Abuse of individuals or religion is intolerable. Many here are cultured, many here revel in abuses.
3. My time is valuable. Cant waste on Rakhi Sawant shows or shan.
4 ravi, shan and tajender have abused each other, partic shan vs others, maabehen stuff, only when they got lonely and rebuked by all, did they find refuge with each other

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MANOHAR, only for u I respond.
1. Blog must have minimal intelectual standards. Comments like savarkar and jews are gay, or Inian jews are disguised as brahmins, are stooopid.
2 Abuse of individuals or religion is intolerable. Many here are cultured, many here revel in abuses.
3. My time is valuable. Cant waste on Rakhi Sawant shows or shan.
4 ravi, shan and tajender have abused each other, partic shan vs others, maabehen stuff, only when they got lonely and rebuked by all, did they find refuge with each other

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Manohar;
Link to Savarkar was a revealation. Such a brave and patriot. He also appear to have initiated abolition of untouchability. what is your grudge??

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Manohar;
Link to Savarkar was a revealation. Such a brave and patriot. He also appear to have initiated abolition of untouchability. what is your grudge??

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@MANOHAR_T,

No I did not imply that you are a “gutter scoundrel”. But its obvious from your response that you consider/suspect yourself to be so. I dont think I have read enough of you to reach a conclusion. If you desire, I will let you know if and when I reach that conclusion.

Anyway, I am not for banning opinions , irrespective of how abusive and False it may be ( 5000 dalit rapes in UP every day ? ). Neither does so called blasphemy or any abuse hurled at my religion, ethnicity or caste offend me. Its just not my concern. They are only as vile as the person making them is. Let Tajinder/Shan/Manohar (?) or any other gutter scoundrels opinions stand for them.

Bye the way, gutter scoundrel stands for those that support laws that punish so called blasphemy ( like in the criminal entity Pakistan ) but are against banning disruptive and abusive posters at HT blogs !!!

However, I am for banning bloggers, who are like a vagabong who walks into a restaurant and starts yelling and throwing stuff , and prevents others from conducting their business. Bye that I mean , if a blogger, does excessive cut and paste jobs, filling up the blog so much that other bloggers cannot read the blog , such disruptive behaviour, where the blogger is not engaged in discussion but in unilateral cut-and-paste ( often without acknowledging the source ) or using caps lock liberally in all posts , – such disruptive bloggers should be banned after warning.

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I once again repeat when it comes to international diplomacy, people should stay away from OVERT display of their faith. What stopped Saudi king to read Fateha for Gandhi? Is it not an Islamic tradition?

Secondly I don’t consider Islam as traditional religion because it clearly has political side to it. In fact all the rituals such as Hajj and Namaaz are meant for organizing muslims for political achievement i.e. rule of Islam.

As for Mohammad, I consider him as a shrewed politician of 7th Century..He as a king without crown but his claim to prophethood were bogus. If you read about his violet deeds and sexual exploits, it will be an insult to other prophet if we call Mohammad a prophet.

I have all the respect for his as military general, political genius but as prophet, he is a joke.

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When Ravi called hindu gods especially Rama, why did people not ask for banning him.
It means slamming hindu gods is game but any bashing of political faith Islam is big NO-NO.

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Let me be more specific for people like Ravi. I see Islam and RSS as mirror image of each other because both believe in supremacy of their faith and rejection of other faiths. Both are intolerant and not in sync with modern time.

Islam has a fixed prophet whereas RSS has changing prophets. Both are based on nationalism that excludes others and their right to live peacefully.

My contempt for Islam and RSS is equal.

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Fake Ravi,

I am surprised at your slip about the RSS. Being ISI trained, you should have been up-todate with the banning of the organisation. Therefore, let me refresh your memory.

The RSS was banned thrice. The first time was in 1948, when Nathuram Godse assassinated the mahatma. The courts ruled the ban illegal.

The second was during the emergency. The ban was lifted when in 1977, the dictator herself was thrown out by the people of India.

The third was when the disputed structure at Ayodhya was demolished by VHP workers. Then too the courts held the ban illegal.

But, here is an interesting piece of information:

Field Marshal Cariappa, when he was invited to their function, in his speech to RSS volunteers said “RSS is my heart’s work. My dear young men, don’t be disturbed by uncharitable comments of interested persons. Look ahead! Go ahead! The country is standing in need of your services”

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Does Jinnah’s politics of communal hate and Gandhi’s policy of communal harmony deserve equal respect ?
Does the entity born out of Jinnah’s communal politics and cold blooded murder of direct-action day and the largest, secular democracy in the world deserve equal respect ?

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Shan,
I usually do not agree with your abusive language however when it comes to substance you do have logical view.

Here is a topic for you. I am addressing this to you because you have neutral view most of the time.

Can you list of similarities between RSS and Islam? No one can do this better than you.

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Shenoy/Manohar:

I was a young man during emergency days (so also Shenoy, not sure about you Manohar; I think you are much younger) ..

Smt Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi’s strong man Karunakaran was the CM in kerala. Several bad things happened; the notorious one being the murder of Rajan, a REC student; the only son of a college Sanskrit professor.

It is there for history. Google Rajan case. Look into Wikepedia on emergency.

The Malayalam movie “Piravi” (birth) in 1988 by the famous director Shaji Karun was based on this story. It won the national award for the best film that year; it also won the best actor (thespian Premji), best director, and many other awards.

I recommend movie buffs to see this.

Again, as I get older, I am wondering what political form of govt is the best for a country.. What is democracy when people can be manipulated easily.. In this regard, I want to bring up a rule the King of Travancore had many many centuries ago. His decree was that only educated people can choose to convert to Christianity because choosing a religion/life style (and relinquishing one) is an extremely difficult one; and only educated people can make that decision. Almost all the syrian christians were all converts from the educated class (and in those days by default mostly nairs because there were not too many Brahmins in kerala) because of this rule.

I have been thinking of what form – benevolent king, army, dictator, party mode like Chinese, Presidential form of democracy etc- is appropriate for India and its people for growth and liberty. Poverty is the worst form of “discrimination”, and how do we raise peoples living standards… because for sure, lot of our problems will wither away if economic well being improves. A lot has been accomplished, but a lot remains. We created generations of poor people thru our bad economic policies till mid 90s. So, a lot to make up; and collectively we have to decide whether the current political system is upto snuff.

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There are still people in the world who want to believe that 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and maybe a CIA plot to capture the oil resources of the middle east. This RSS circular, supposedly secret falls in the same mould. Disinformation which the Engriches and tajendars would want to flaunt to shame an organisation.

Had such a circular actually existed, Manish Tewari would been dancing the salsa and Digviansh Singh doing rock and roll, twist and bhangra by turn.

This is just a poorly crafted, badly worded attempt to confuse people. To anyone familiar witht he mandal masjid politics of the 90’s this would be the sort of disinformation which would drive people to the VP Singh coalition which was purpodely consisting of minoirties, and lower castes versus the higher caste Hindus.

At that point the bJP was trying to build a votebank of Hindus telling them that they were being discriminated agaisnt in India. Whiel his opponents, mostly from the VP Singh movement — Mulayam, Mayawati, Bukhari, Shahabuddin– were trying divide this mass b y weaning away the scheduled castes from this huge mass.

The whole pamphlet is worded in such a manner that anyone who does not fall into the so called ‘high caste” Hindu bracket would immediately hate the RSS and BJP. And also the Ram Mandir movement.

I think you need to be dumb, if you take this pamphlet seriously

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I am a Sikh….but I don’t know Sikh history..I support Congress on 1984 sikh massacre. I get all worked up if Islam is criticised..but I abuse hindus and hindu gods whenever I can. I have 3 land lines but no cell phone..I send 10 emails to Balwinder to prove I am MONA Sikh…earlier I was sikh and before than I was Hindu. My ancestors were hounded out of SIALKOT by HINDUS. I use ‘WE’ when defending Islam..I find Tajender as best debater. When cornered I plead for help and support from people..especially from corrupt Congressis. I justify Islamic terror and have mourned death of Osama like his widow..I never condemn Pakistan’s terror in J&K but support right of J&K terrorists to breakaway from India. I am secular while abusing Hindus..I see Jinn of RSS everywhere…

WHO AM I?

I am deceitful liar and morally corrupt Ravi.

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Pranab today stated that Rahul is ready to be the PM —

Isf this is the ‘emerging” India, the envy of the world? (okok, lot of things to fix; but they like our eco growth)

Well, Srimathi Indira Priydarshini Gandhi must be beaming – amazed at the eunuch tradition she set in place surviving even after 30 years of her death!

I will take even Prakash Karat against the boy!

God bless India..

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Manohar;
Thanks for the links. I not only opened second link but there are two links below the article of krishnan dubey( ?), strange name. I will advise every friend to go through these links, even for a brief while and you will realize, how people take pleasure in ridiculing great people. Savarkar, who spent 13 years in jail, gave away lucrative career of being a barrister, for country. His sufferings in jail are illustrative. Compare him to other freedom fighters/Rajbhogis and then you get the bigger picture.
Comment are welcome, Manohar included.

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@Vijay, Gopi, Pankaj etc
People on this blog are not divided by religion. They are divided by country they support. I am yet to see an Indian muslim on this blog who has been abusive of India or its religions. The most abusive ones are those that root for Jinnah-Let-Jaish-e-Mohammads Pakistan. Some of them openly or covertly peddle the case of Pakistan and every criminality that it represents and want to discuss everything except the conduct of the criminal entity that there loyalties lie with.
You will find the peddlers of the fake-RSS pamphlets running around like rabid dogs as if they received it directly from the hands of their prophet ! Tajinder , the pakistani, has a bus load of those which he carries around and feeds these dogs.

Just watch and enjoy.

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Shenoy Sahab;
A simi module, which was trying to establish contact with JeM in pakistan has been busted. that is where I said, finish first Jihadis in India then, aspire for Afghanistan.

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Rajiv S today addressed this to me
Shan,
I usually do not agree with your abusive language however when it comes to substance you do have logical view.

Here is a topic for you. I am addressing this to you because you have neutral view most of the time.

Can you list of similarities between RSS and Islam? No one can do this better than
you.

Well I will try my best. Though let me relate some relevant experience today.
I was invited to a durga puja is East London near BOW. I have been to other pujas in the past..There is one in Camden , incredible it may seem SHARMILA TAGORE AND SOHA ALI KHAN was gracing the podium .I am certain both had all air fares plus a tidy sum paid up for the appearance.There is aPUB opposite the town hall. There was incredible scenes of women straight out from the anjali and prasad , heading to the Pub. managing Pallu with one hand John Smith with another.
Now BOW was fascinating. Here not a single house or probably very few are private houses. 90% of the flats are COUNCIL HOUSES. But the flats are so neat and nice , who needs to own house . All of the residents are from either Sylhet , bangladesh or every muslim country you can think of , somalia , eratrea , yemen , you name it.
This made me realise PARTITION REALLY DESTROYED BENGALI HINDUS , they are treated like second class citizens , and the Muslims in Bangladesh with the exodus of hindus as well as being on their own are like an orphan.
In UK bangladeshi muslims have recoiled into the morgue called fanatic islam.
What was interesting in this puja was two GORAS selling books on krishna.
Hare krishna society is india’s most visible spiritual brand in the world. Sylhet is where from the fountain head of this movement came from ,his name was chaitanya mahaprabhu.I am an aethist , But his message is one I am prepared to listen.
He said “You dont need God , You dont need Temples , You dont need Scriptures,
ALL YOU NEED IS TO GIVE LOVE TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS

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RSS and Islam
Well the similarities are striking. BOTH ARE ORGANISATIONAL, islam is organised religion with politics in its DNA , RSS is a organisation with religion as its DNA.
Both are LED by IDIOTS , whose knowledge of science and rationality is that of an monkey.Both attract people with false assurance of security and brotherhood.Both use VIOLENCE as its tool to meet its objective. Both are ANTI MODERN , both are viciously MISOGYNIST. Both are led by PRIEST, and every civilization where priest class got upperhand , went down the slippery slope, be it Persian , jewish , CURRENT ISLAM vis a vis Mullah, and the GREATEST HINDU CIVILIZATION and its downfall

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@Pankaj,
Well you are right when you call these scoundrels as ‘fakes’. But that’s an understatement.

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Ravi;
Your quotereference to: Paadna: and : Dakar: lena betrays you. Your felicity with english language is no substitute to manners, up bringing and culture or for that matter, intellect. I will interact with you on intellectual basis only, otherwise I can conveniently ignore you, as I ignore Tajinder.

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Every one.
India is resuming responsibility for governance and security after withdrawal of Nato forces. Music to my ears. Long live Manmohan. Why BJP should be judged differently, escaps me. They will look after India’s interest, as nicely as Manmohan government, minus some tweeking, that is basically, internal. Foreign policy is bipartison, is long cherished goal of India.

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My quarrel here is with: Soldiers of Allah:. who come in different guise and : AVTAR:.
I have no quarrel with people who are soldiers of humanity.

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Everyone;
My quarrel is with : Soldiers of Allah: Who come in many disguise and :AVTARS:. Soldiers of humanity are OK.

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Dr Mishra:

I apologize. Picked up your note only today. I have been out traveling; will be back only after few weeks.

Hope you had a good time. Just imagine, Pallava Kings of yesteryears, and their invited guests, enjoying enchanting Bharat Natyam dance performed by the elite performers from the kingdom on a moonlit night with the sound of waves in the background. They used to have dance “competition” at the present day rock temple, with the king crowning the best artists.

The whole development from Adyar to Mahabalipuram and beyond is all in the last 15 years!

Did you get a chance to visit KalaKshethra and KCS Panicker’s artist village (the first of its kind in India where artists from all over can live and do their craft in the same place)..

In Chennai, one can still be in the “old” India of music and dance easily merging into the “new” India.

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@ Shoeb, I will be at the Radisson Mahabalipuram till Saturday eveing. If you are free to meet up there then pl let me know.

This blog has once again descended to chaos.

Darnley street Dr Shan- please do desist from attacking Rajiiv in sick language of paedophilia, frock etc- our profession demands nobility of us at all times. You are a doctor, set a standard

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Yesterday here in Dubai prosecution dropped the charges against five Indians
who took part in the procession in favour of Anna Hazare movement. The reason
given was tht their act was not against the State.

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Compare and be exonerated

A comparison between Islam and the RSS has been drawn. Organisation similarities have been noted and the focus has been successfully moved from blasphemy and unwarranted insult of a prophet to Islam as a whole. Such training in managing ones PR is standard in the RSS circles.

Had the comparison been made between Islam and the Boy Scout Movement, the Mormon Church, The Tibetan Buddhism, the International Olympic Committee, etc. the list of similarities would have been much the same.

Freedom of an orphan

As you may have read that previously I have declared myself as an orphan. It is a function of age rather than a symbol of pride. But I must say that it does give me relief from undue parental and peer group pressure. This means I can say what I want, without fear, so long as it is within the bounds of decency. My decency.

Throwing the galli MC at me is therefore academic. Similarly, making an assumption that I am a Muslim and then to go on to criticise and insult Islam, hoping that it would hurt me, is an entirely futile exercise. It not only fails to hurt me (because I am not a Muslim), but instead it lays bare the writers Islamophobic stance.

Continue talking to the hand, but the hand isn’t listening.

Civilisation is the gap between me and my Jahil self. Every now and then when I do meet the Jahil me, the noble savage, I like him more than I like the civilised one. Try it and you will reacquaint yourself with some of the forgotten joys.

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Futile to compare Islam with RSS
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An interesting question has been raised. how do we compare Islam with the RSS. In my opinion, Islam cannot be compared as it is a religion which needs to adopt to the present century while RSS was a social movement which wanted to protect Hindus from an assualt by foreign forces and forces of conversion.

It would be correct to say that in some ways the role of Islam was that of an agressor in India and the RSS chose to take up the mantle of the defender.

Unfortunately both need to reform. Islam has become the garb of dictators and kings to rule as well as subjugate women and minorities. RSS, which does exemplary work needs to adopt itself to the modern idiom and recognise that India is a multireligious country now and so it should accept that.

While indivdial Muslims have no problems in living with other religions, the mullas and the maulvis want Islam to remain a converting and conquering force, putting it at odds with the rest of the world.

The RSS would want to outgrow its image of a defender of HIndus to a defender of India of all religions and creed…

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Is Tajmahal collapsing ?

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_taj-mahal-in-the-danger-of-collapsing-within-5-years_1595183

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Rajeev-
You obviously are aware of Ravi’s constant raising of RSS to any ills of India, his equalization of Jehadism to Hindu terrorists etc. You yourself have labelled him jehadi/ISi etc based on his extreme views on India and rationalizing views on Pakistan.
There were three occasions when his true coloue came out while blogging in Zia’s blog.
- He talked about how the vicious Hindus drove his family away from Sialkott to Dlhi.. (he had an altercation about this with Ashish, later he got away saying he was tired and di miswrote)
- on a discussion of Muslim extremism in UK and the west, he stated “it is because WE have been invaded”
- on a blabbering by Ram avtar, he advised Ram that “although THEY worship many Gods, THEY will not convert to OUR religion”

I am not a blog extraction expert. But if you are, you can pull out these from Zia blogs.
Ashish had pulled the Sialkott item; however, he said he did not want to question Ravi’s explanation and will take his word.

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I finally hunted down the “offending comments” about Ram in a past blog (Zia’s) by Ravi.
First, a disclaimer- I am a non-practicing, non-scriptured Hindu, an atheist- now that the fear of failing in exams has been behind me for almost a quarter century or more.. so….

Firstly, I question Ram’s divinity. He is only an avatar of Vishnu. That does not make him divine (unless Gopi comes up with some scriptural justification attesting to his divinity)- because Vishnu also had Kurma, Matsya, Varaha etc as avatars- surely they can’t all have been divine? Forgive the frivolity, but there is something about religion that brings out the devil in me
Secondly, freedom of expression..
Third, “Ashish’s law of divinity” states that if He needs your protection, then He can’t really be God.
Needless to say, all the above applies as much to Ram as to any other religious and/ or mythological figure of any religion.
Does that mean I support or encourage bad language or abusing anyone? No. But, in my view, such abuses demean the abuser while doing nothing to the recipient.

One would expect some active moderation in this forum- but, IMO, Vinod Sharma chases eyeballs (like Zia self-confessedly did) on his blog. Succh fights are good for traffic.

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~~ ARE RELiGIOUS WARS LIKE THE COKE AND PEPSI WARS??? ~ ~~
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Raju Kurien’s posting that an iranian is being killed for converting to Christianity, reminded me of the COke and Pepsi wars.

Mera customer kahin aur naa jaaye…

It seems that custodians and priests fo religions will never tolerate a liberal regime which can debate out issues. Without meaning to hurt Muslim feelings I would like to state that Liberal Muslims and Non Muslims in cetain countries need to seize initiatve and hang or at least de-fang the perpetuators of blasphemy laws.

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Manohar,

i forgot to answer to your query on forms of government–

You are right, in the sense, there is no ideal system -
1) Benevolent King — you are right, how to spot one, ensure it will continue in perpetuity.. We had great kings in mythology (such as Mahabali in kerala (the story about Vamana) , Lord Rama (Ramarajya), contemporary history likek RajRaj chola, Harsha, King of Travancore (who ddi not bother to touch a rupee of the jewels).. Kings of Jordan and Morocco seem to be OK, however they are small homogeneous countries. This is not an option fro India

2) Army – I do believe Gen Maneckshaw, Cariappa etc would have steered the country right way..However, they did not have to intervene because there were towering leaders like Nehru, Patel, Pant, Maulana during their time. As the Adarsh fiasco has shown, we have many eunuchs in the army; we do not want them to rule.
3) Chinese Model — I sort of like their “Rotary club” model – President, VP in waiting to be president, another one behind him etc.. There is democracy within the party, but not outside. Leaders do not remain for ever; neither they can draft their children at top levels. They get rotated out. Anybody who becomes the chief has lots of experience as an understudy, so they are quite prepared about the challenges at home and outside home. There is continuity. Frankly, it may not be bad fro India for a while, but the problem is that we do not have a disciplined party.
4) Dictatorship- Yes, bad experience throughout the world.. Chavez seems to be OK; but he is destroying the nation’s wealth. Mustafa Attaturk was sort of a dictator, but he had a definite vision/timeframe; and the context of the country at that time needed one like him. History shows it has paid of well.
5) Presidential a la US – I like the US primary system model; so party bosses do not have any clout; people choose whom they want to contest etc.
6) Parliamentary like we have now– It is a broken, totally dysfunctional system, other than elections every five years. It should be changed/strengthened drastically to meet the aspirations of a nation with a growing percentage of youngsters below 30.
More later

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It is quite natural that “centralized” parties will lose their clout when regional issues arise and regional parties spring up to seize the opportunity. DMK, Telugu Desam etc were “state born” parties or splits-away from national parties because of unique situation that national parties did not resolve on a timely basis.

It is inevitable that regional or state specific (or even affiliating group specific) parties will rise up with a sizable following.

Coalition is a must; national parties who form alliances with like minded (60-70% match) local parties stand the chance to win.

Growing middle class, improving communications (TV), better education etc will bring the hypocrisy of national parties and their alliance out. For example, Congress cannot say Muslim League in kerala is not communal in the same breath as BJP is communal.

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Vinod Sharma says “…the focus wasn’t as much on corruption as on Modi and the 2002 riots he often uses to consolidate his communal base within Gujarat.”

The part in bold is where the notorious Sharma’s propaganda seeps in. For the past 5 years Gujarat’s average GDP growth rate has been 13.4%, agricultural growth rate 8% – and unlike Bihar these growth rates are based on already high base. Modi has talked development and delivered it. He is on his way to make Gujarat the automobile hub of India with Ford, Peugot, Tata and Maruti building plants in Sanand. Farmers in Gujarat now get 24 hour electricity

Unlike what Congress stooges like Vinod Sharma would like the world to believe, Modi has focused on development rather than communal politics to become the star of Gujarat, and India. Let Vinod Sharma point out even one communal statement by Narendra Modi in the last 7-8 years and I might believe what he says about the Gujarat CM.

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@Raju Kurien,
Let me get this straight. Did Ravi ( the many-times proven anti-India , liar, propogandist ) say that his family had to leave Sialkot in West Pakistan ( a criminal entity that had reduced Hindu-Sikh population to 1-2% from 22-25% in perhaps the largest religious cleansing in known history) because of Hindus ?

I have not seen a disclaimer from Ravi , either way.

Now why would someone say such a blatant, criminal lie ?
Or did he not say it ?

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@Larry,
You said
“Let Vinod Sharma point out even one communal statement by Narendra Modi in the last 7-8 years and I might believe what he says about the Gujarat CM. ”

Well V Sharma often lies and hides. Its a standard Congress operating procedure.

However do not under-estimate the fake RSS pamphlateers here who run around these blogs like rabid dogs. They have a bus load of fake stories. Ask them, if the criminal Jinnah, who has been quoted numerous times , even in prepared speeches, making communally inflammatory statements, the architect of the cold-blooded murders of “direct action day ” is a secular or a communal criminal ?

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~~ ENGRICH SCARED BY POEMS AND MAZZAK becomes guest !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Seems that eunuch egrich has changed his petticoat again…

he has been made fun off… and converted his name to GUEST !!!!!!

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Mahesh,
You wanted me to do a bit of crystal ball gazing on the possibilities of CPM/ BJP to become serious contenders for power at the centre.
Firstly, I hope the only reason you slotted CPM/ BJP together is to juxtapose the Right and Left (and not Wrong and Wrong!) in your mind. Take away the Gandhi name- and you can pose the question to me with Congress included in the same question.

I think getting back to strong national parties is an imperative but I don’t see this happening soon. BJP and CPM have the cadre- BJP has it across a much wider geography- what they do not have (in varying degrees)
- a standout (visionary/ charismatic) leadership that can rally the troops
- a standout (distinct from others) socio-economic-political program that will sell

The Congress has better technocrats at the centre- but, poor political management, disorganized cadre, zero inner party democracy and finally, poor leadership characterized by infighting, corruption and so on.
How will BJP come to power?
In the foreseeable future it can be only partnering with other parties. What the BJP does not sell enough is its club of performing CMs and contrast their performance with the Congress CMs.
How will BJP increase its seats to beyond 200? Especially on a sustainable basis?
BJP does not yet, get the demographic shift – it is not doing enough to position itself as a young party, for the young, for the aspiring. BJP does not have a cool factor, yet. But, if it does?
What other scenarios are possible?
I think there is some possibility that Congress will crack, as will the BJP and a unique 3rd front might emerge. But, it will be hamstrung by a lack of cadre and will continue to be plagued by lack of leadership.
Your thoughts?

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The blog is silent since last one hour or so? what I should do? Praise Shenoy, that will surely bring lot of mails here. I will praise him and Vijay, my friend. I have started respecting Ashish for his Candid writing. I have given up on Ravi. Manohar and Mahesh are my favorite soundboard. Shan, Yes and NO. Does not mean so many people, whom I admire,Rajeevs included. Immediately Parveen Saxena comes to mind. Hey people, it is silence here. Do not deprive me of my Fun.

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OK, I tried.
What I read is Spanish Police busted a ring where Chinese prostitution ring and drug connections busted. Pakistanis have strong presence in Barcelona. Any connection?? Deprived peoples’ solidarity???

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/all-that-matters/Caste-and-capital-cant-coexist/articleshow/10202564.cms
for people, who dwell on Dalit problem. this is the solution. Wake up.

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I have immense liking for Ashish’s thought process because I see a striking similarity between my thinking minus Ashish’s positive views on CPM.

He has asked me to regret these words “F.U.C.K Mohammad. and F.U.C.K his Islam.He should have visited Rajghat..”

I regret for my choice of words but I have contempt for all ritualistic religions especially Islam and Christianity. The christianity is bit better than Islam because it doesn’t issue death sentence to people who insult Jesus. Whereas Islam is very intolerant faith. There are many good things in Islam especially equality before god and charity..but overall Islam-Mohammad and Christianity fail to inspire me or make me respect those faith.

I love to be hindu because no one can force me on any issue but certain aspect of hinduism make me extremely uncomfortable. The kind of behaviour priest indulge in Temple, your homes and cremation ground make me puke. The caste system is a curse…but then there is scope to reject caste system..shun priests. The child marriage is another aspect which doesn’t gel with modern time.

Now coming to my words “F.U.C.K Mohammad. and F.U.C.K his Islam.He should have visited Rajghat..”, I just wanted to say that one should not bring religion in public space. Why did Saudi king not consider visiting Rajghat just as diplomatic gesture? If I visit a muslim country and their is some national monument that is respectable in that land, I’d show my respect to it and not bring my religion as an excuse.

The Mullah who offered Modi skullcap wanted to put Modi in a spot..He was basically playing politics on behalf of some one. Modi by not accepting skull cap basically rejected display of religion on public forum. I’d also like to see all govt. function devoid of any hindu symbolism including lighting lamps.

Coming to RSS, it never inspired me. I tried to understand it and found that it want hindus to behave like muslims..intolerant and full of religious garbage. The kind of history taught in RSS shakhas is basically fairy tales devoid of any historicity. The only things that I like about RSS is its nationalism and social services. They should discard pajamachaap culture (compared to Tableeghi Jamaat culture) and embrace modernity.

One more observation, I have seen muslims compete with each other to prove who is better muslim whereas hindus compete with each other to prove that they are non-practicing or athiest. I was under the impression that there is nothing to Practice to be a hindu and being atheist too is hindu.

Can some one explain how does one become non-practicing hindu?

Sorry for long post because matter of bread and butter keep me away from this blog.

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I am still of the view that RSS and Islam are mirror image of each other…RSS is just missing two dogmas..a formal way of worshipping and promoting terrorism in the name of struggle (called Jihad in Islam).

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Shenoy,
You said that both Advani and Vajpayee are RSS members..I think they WERE RSS members. Vajpayee dumped RSS as soon as he became PM and Advani by his Jinnah Chalisa.

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Let us compare the incident of Saudi king refusing to pay respect to Gandhi and Modi refusing the skullcap (never mind the intentions of Mullah who offered skullcap).

There are three definitions of secularism-
1. Indian Secularism: Respect or pretend to show respect to all religions (except may be hinduism) both publicly and privately. This secularism is absolute must for hindus but people from semitic faiths are exempt from it.

2. Western Secularism: Absence of religion and/or religious symbols from public life (but judeo-christian culture is directly or indirectly imposed on others)

3. Islamic secularism (oxymoron): Respect only Islam and convert to Islam to be treated like human being.

According to 1st definition, Modi was wrong but Saudi king was right.
According to 2nd definition, Modi was right and so was Saudi king.
According to 3rd definition, Modi is wajib-ul-Qatl (fit to be killed) and Saudi king was right.

This secularism animal seems to be like Idiyyappam…I can’t make out if we can ever have secularism without bias.

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Steve Jobs is no more..a very sad day indeed..RIP Steve Jobs.

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~~~Petition to Hon Jan LokPal Ashish on accusations by Ravi ~~~~
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Hon’ble Justice Ashish, on this shubh din of Dusshera I beg to submit the following

a) I have been accused By petitioner Ravi of calling Tajendar, Engrich and somtimes him as T U R D S. Yes sir I am guilty and PrOUD !!

b) I have been accused by petitioner Ravi of calling his country Pakistan as PAK-shit – stan. yes sir, i am proud of this too as Pak-shit-stan sends terrorists and bombers to india.

c) I have often called Ravi an ISI fundoo as he attacks India, hindus and parrots lies of rape rape all the time . YES Sir, I am guilty of this offence. And further state that I will continue to do so…

justice Ashish, the guilty accused stands before you…. will you pronounce the judgement and break the nib of your pen…?

Hum toh besharam hai..
Bass watan ke rakhwale hain….

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This calls for a new thread

Shenoy

Either you are brainless id..t (in caps) and cannot even read the lines nor between them or attempting to be too clever by half by indulging in your favourite occupation – spreading lies, falsehoods, untruths, innuendos (a la RSS) – picking up sentences and meanings out of context – trying to put words and meanings in other people’s mouths and proceeding to slam them.

Wasim was right, couple of blogs ago, when he called BVS a “particle of disgust”, so was Prabhat, who called him a caricature. Take your pick gentlemen (you can choose both).

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Shenoy wrote one hour ago and by rejoinders therein

“Manohar,

1) earlier, you said Gopi Thomas is Narendra Modi in disguise, because, as per your warped thinking, a Thomas cannot, ever, say anything in praise of Modi.

This what I had written

PS: Are you by any chance Narendra Modi and using an alias Gopi Thomas? Just joking.

2) Then you asked Shoeb, whether he was really a Muslim, because, again, your small mind couldn’t digest the fact that even while being a Muslim, one could praise Modi.

This was the exchange

Shenoy’s post

Shoeb,

he will now ask you whether you are a Hindu in the guise of a Muslim! A while ago, for opposing him, he called Gopi Modi in disguise!!

My reply

Yes, Shoeb, I have been wanting to ask the question since 1916, but kept forgetting to do so I am really really “grateful” to BVS for reminding me, after nearly a century.

3) Now comes Larry, the new entrant to this blog and with his very first post, your petty pseudo secular mind has begun slotting this Larry chap into us and them”.

The above is in response to what I had written

BVS, you have a potential new recruit – unless he is an avatar of someone you and we already know.

Shenoy has no iota of knowledge of finer nuances of languages – such as tongue-in-cheek comment. It seems, crudity is his hallmark.

This man surely is in severe need of counseling.

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C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S – ASHISH

Your pay-as-you-go membership of the Hinduatavwadi Group has now been regularised.

The Chairman BV Shenoy has printed a certificate; it is now in the post. The citation reads – His posts mostly approximate our own. It is his style which even jihad fundoos sometimes like and approve. He is our own.

A Black Topi has been couriered to you. A photograph of you wearing it should be pasted on your new membership card. I can imagine how handsome you would look in full regalia. I hope you don’t mind me giving you some advice.

Point 8 of a 10 Point Morph – I suggest that you take a pictures of Tarun Vijay and Subhash Chandra Bose, and subject them to a 10 point morph. At point 8 the topi would have become black and the walrus pup moustache would have taken root. Transformation complete, I hope you would share this picture with us.

Looj cannon has now been lassoed and tethered to a single, homogeneous, if slightly discredited ideology.

Loss of independence is a small price to pay for Full Membership of an up and coming powerful club.

Badhai ho, Badhai ho. From this day on, today will be known as Ashish Doshami.

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Two very intelligent contestants together lost 50 lakhs on KBC on two successive days.

One, a lady, wanted to control everything through remote control, including her husband. She wanted to close an educational loan and the rest of the prize money was to be just “udha doongi”.

The other was a policeman, humble, poor, needed the money for house building, marriage etc.

Both lost.

The first was felled by her arrogance and the second by his greed.

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~~~ THERE IS AN INDIAN CONNECTION TO STEVE JOBS…. ~~~
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There is an India of babas and Yogis which Ravi loves to make fun of ans many an American comes here for solace. The beatles were here for TM and hash…

And so was Steve Jobs !!

he links this experience to the products he made and the free thinking he had.

let us quote the genius himself for wikepedia..

In autumn 1974, Jobs returned to California and began attending meetings of the Homebrew Computer Club with Wozniak. He took a job as a technician at Atari, a manufacturer of popular video games, with the primary intent of saving money for a spiritual retreat to India.

Jobs then traveled to India to visit the Neem Karoli Baba[33] at his Kainchi Ashram with a Reed College friend (and, later, the first Apple employee), Daniel Kottke, in search of spiritual enlightenment. He came back a Buddhist with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing.[34][35] During this time, Jobs experimented with psychedelics, calling his LSD experiences “one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life”.[36] He later said that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not fully relate to his thinking.[36]

Jobs returned to his previous job at Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge

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Apple and its founder’s life style was a product of the spiritual and free thinking experience….

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~~~~~~~THERE IS AN INDIAN CONNECTION TO Wozniak as WELL~~~~~~
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It is not very well known that Steve Jobs friend Wozniak has Indian connection too.

It appears that his hippy mother used to show the neonate Wozniak world ATLAS, so as to broadedn his horizons.

One night the mother went to check if the baby Wozniak was sleeping comfortably, she noticed that an ATLAS had fallen on the floor and the open page was showing the map of India.

Such strong connections to India are worth celebrating.

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Shenoy-

You mentioned BJP joiing Jagan in the next Lok Sabha elections in AP.

Jagan Rao will be toxic for the 2013 Lok Sabha elections. Congress there is quite weak with the murky TRS situation, YSR group dissidence. BJP strategy there has to be an all out “anti corruption” forum joining Chandrababu of Telugu Desam, nailing the favourite son, the late YSR to Congress corruption – YSR gives the fodder on selling the state, with the knowledge and blessing of Congress..This has to be ruthlessly taken advantage of. (Chandrababu the builder vs YSR the destroyer)

Telugu Desam/BJP should be able to garner 20 out of the 42 seats (if not, BJP should fire Venkaia Naidu). With this, BJP and its allies will get 83 seats from South India (I estimate they should be able to do better in Karnataka by capturing 5 additional seats to 24, Tamil Nadu 39).

What is your opinion about kerala seats? I have a feeling that Marxists will have a secret understanding with BJP, to position them retake the seats they lost to Congress-Muslim League alliance in the last election. In that case, there is an additional backing of 17 seats. (2004 Marxists number)

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IS HINDUISM A RELIGION
No it aint. At least according to Prof dawkins.it aint. It is more of a set of ethical behaviour.
Certainly it is not a ORGANISED religion , NOR IT HAS ANY CORE BELEIF, it has the left the existential question WIDE OPEN, thus exhorts to you to SEEK ULTIMATE TRUTH , beyond MAYA.Thus according to hindu beleif the ultimate aim is for dissolution of ATMAN with BRAMHAN (that is cosmic consciousness), not the turds of the blog.
Also ATHEISM as advocated by CHARBAK is part and parcel of the different strands of thought amalgated together known as HINDUISM

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Guys, Steve Jobs WAS inspired by the spiritualism of India. He had a dig at Bill Gates about his cosy life , and once remarked “Has he lived in a ashram , what does he know about life”. But so far his company is concerned , it had minimal outsourcing from India. This is because I think , the indian software devolopers propelled Bill gates by using PC platform , and not using Mac.
He had quite a RARE tumour , I dont have details, but going by his symptomps , he most likely had INSULINOMA of the pancreas. He underwent surgery, these tumours are TINY yet produces so much insulin , everything goes haywire. Also one compound called STREPTOZOCIN is specific for these particular cells in pancreas , in fact give it to a normal person and he becomes diabetic. YET when these cells become cancer , it is not that effective. It then spread to his liver , he had liver transplantation , did well for 3 yrs , looks like it recurred with vengenace and not much could be done .
This one illness medical science is finding impossible to crack. Any query on this topic will be answered with the command similar to tendulkar with his bat

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Happy Dusshera to all but I am feeling acute sadness today… I am afraid of mortality after hearing Steve Jobs demise…Even techies (pure souls) die..

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To all those who have discussed RSS here:

Vijay Dashami is also the birthday of RSS and today it is its 86th birth anniversary.

Both these facts I learnt from a long term RSS friend just two hours ago.

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BV Shenoy

Now that you have admitted that you are a RSS member and have some friends who are members as well, then perhaps you can tick on the following.

1. Is it true that RSS has an official policy to use communal riots to frighten innocent Hindu’s into submission?

2. Is it true that the RSS is a secretive organisation which does not even keep an orderly register of its members.

3. Can you enlighten us how many cases of murder and riots committed by the RSS are pending in various Indian courts.

4. When does the RSS plan to set its political front the BJP free of micro management.

5. RSS’s Hinduatva and pan Islamic Jihad are actually the same, with the exception that one is vegetarian and the other is a non-veg variety.

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Guys ,
Why you engage mad-communal-Jinnah-dog bloggers like Ravi ?
Do you think you will get a balanced opinion on any issue from him ?
If so, you need to doubt your own faculties.
After engaging him a few times you should have realized he is a liar, thug , anti-India propogandist ?

Leave him to discuss his anti-India, anti-Hindu garbage with fellow scums from Engrish to the rabid-dog Shan.

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~~~ DID THE LAPTOP KILL ITS FOUNDER– STEVE JOBS? ~~~
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To shift the subject from the repeated RSS RSS everywhere chants of the blog, let me throw light on the genius– a work maniac– a hard to please fanatic boss– Steve jobs.

In college I had his blow up on my hostel wall.

But…

Did the laptop on his lap, his gadgets which give us all the benefits, yet also emit waves of dangerous frequenices harm steve?/

I know of Xray technichians who have developed cancer.

I know of a cousin of mine, who used the mobile phone 6 hrs a day a lost his hearing. More fascinatingly, once he stopped the mobile use, his hearing was restored over a period of 4 months.

So did the laptop, always placed near his pancreas, finally eneded up harming its creator?

And how do we balance the benefits of technology with the obvious health issues…?

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@Rajeev, Vijay
Your points are valid about Ravi and the other such elements. Despite repeated provocation, how many of the Indian bloggers here scour the internet for anti-Islam documents, links, quotes from Qoran and other such Saudi scriptures/Hadith etc and post it here ? Almost none and rarely. Thats the right thing to do because we do not want this blog to be a communal blog but a blog to discuss national issues and Indo-Pak relations.
Is there a dearth of mad-mullahs that can be quoted here to portray Islam ?
You wont even need to resort to fake pamphlets and dubious links for that.
On the other hand you have vile comunal anti-India and castist propogandists who may be collectively referred to as Jinnahs-communal-dogs.
While some extrimist elements are fringe elements of other states, jinnah-communal-dog ideology is the mainstream ideology of states like Pakistan . These are states whose constitution is based on criminal communalism and thuggism of the medieval ages.

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The cancer that steve jobs succumbed to , was known for last 100 yrs. And it was present long before computers were invented.There is no evidence to suggest that this RARE cancer is linked to laptop use. Patrick Swaze also had pancreatic cancer , the common variety , so had emperor hirohito. I don’t think anybody knows the cause , other than those who have chronic pancreatitis are definitely more prone to it.
FAR MORE IMPORTANT is PROSTATE CANCER which is like a epidemic in the west.most likely due to HIGH CALORIE , HIGH SATURATED FAT DIET

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rajiv i am sure some muslim has raped ur mother that is u are writing non sense against muslims.ask dr pankaj to check ur brain nd a$$ both.

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I guess IT department at HT is as incompetent as Vinod. If memory serves me right rabid mad dog now known as engrich was banned…what happened to that ban?

How can he allowed to post when he is painting pornographic pictures of his own mother? How low one can stoop?

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Jogender Nath Mandal
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( the scheduled caste leader from Bengal who supported Muslim League with horrendous consequences for himself and his supporters )

When the Jinnah’s pre-planned communal riots happened in Bengal, Jinah’s Muslim League was in power in Bengal. The majority in the Calcutta assembly of the Muslim League depended on the support of 4 Hindu legislators who belonged to a scheduled caste party. Jinnah had promised the moon and the heavens to anyone who would support his demand for Pakistan. Jinnah had also offered the Sikhs , anything they wanted,, if they joined the demand for Pakistan. Unlike Sikhs, some of the SC legislators fell to Jinnah’s devious ploys. The most prominent among them was Jogendernath Mondal.

Here are first few lines about Jogender Nath Mandal, and how his love for communal criminal Jinnah and his Muslim LEAGUE ended , from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jogendra_Nath_Mandal

“Jogendra Nath Mandal (Bengali: যোগেন্দ্রনাথ মণ্ডল) (1904–1968) was an Indian and later Pakistani statesman who served as the first minister of law and labour in Pakistan. As leader of the Scheduled Castes, Jogendranath had made common cause with the Muslim League in their demand for Pakistan, hoping that the Scheduled Castes would be benefited from it and joined the first cabinet in Pakistan as the Minister of Law and Labour. He, however, realized his folly in 1950 when thousands of lower caste Hindus were massacred in East Bengal generating a wave of refugees to India. He himself fled to India and submitted his resignation to Liaquat Ali Khan, the then Prime Minister of Pakistan……”

He finally fled to Calcutta from Pakistan in October 1950, to save his life. In his own words he stated something like that the genocidal criminals of Muslim league had not left a Hindu women untouched between the ages of 13-40 in Jinnah’s Pakistan.

His long resignation letter , should be read by all interested in the history of India and criminal entity called Paksitan. However, the course of history may have been different if the 4 SC legislators in United Bengal assembly in 1946, had not aligned themselves with criminal Muslim league.

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Why is that whosoever has joined cult of Islam, goes thru downfall to the darket depth of humanity whereas whosoever leaves Islam becomes a bright star?

May the people who leave Islam save lot of time by shunning 5 times prayers and bak-bak in Nukkad and masjids and use this saved time to do something constructive.

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rajeev if u dont know i tell u,hinduism is corporation of frauds a circus of 33 crore devtas
ram was king who never existed on indian soil(as per effeidveit of bhardwaj in supreme court.how he became vishnu avtar and when.

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Shenoy/Shoeb

1) Shenoy – Will BJP alliance get 5 more seats in the next Karnataka Lok Sabha poll?
2) I second Shoeb’s assessment on AP. In fact I would think they will get more, may be another 5 or so
3) Regarding kerala – Shenoy, I do not think BJP did sway the election Marxists’ way.
However, with the Muslims vote solidly behind Congress alliance (Muslim league is a partner in UDF – kerala’s UPA), and with four more Muslim “sure win” seats in Malappuram dist (the first “Muslim” district in India), Marxists have to align with small parties like BJP who will provide the needed margins.. Marxists lost a large number of constituencies for mere 5,000 or less. BJP should be able to provide that margin, and in exchange BJP will get a few assembly seats (from 0 now) in the next assembly election, and possibly one parliament seat in the next Lok Sabha.

Marxists will remain the largest party, but will not be able to form ministry ever in future without somebody like BJP (in fact there is nobody else who will bring 15,000 to 30,000 votes per constituency) in their alliance.

Marxists can say BJP is not communal in Kerala as Congress says Muslim League is not communal in kerala! There have been stranger bedfellows.

In fact with their dismal performance in West Bengal and Tamil Nadu state elections, Marxists in kerala (and even at an India level) may want to rethink whether they can remain a national party or whether they should morph into a state/regional shape.

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I take Pankaj advise and leave enuchrich alone.

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शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

माँ लोग सुन रहें हैं ऐसी कहानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

यह आम हिन्दुओं की कथा नहीं है,
यह है इक निराले हिन्दुअत्व की कहानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

गाँधी जिसमे है एक बरडा दुर्जन
यहाँ मोदी की होती है बहुत मेहमानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

दलितों पर किये अत्याचार न हों अंकित
तब ही बन जाये गी हमारी झूठी कहानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

मनोहर ने लगाय दो ऐसे चांटे
एक को नज़र आने लगी दूसरे की नानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

बहता है झूठ इनके लब्हों से ऐसे
जैसे बहता है मीना कुमारी की आँखों से पानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

हालात आपने तो सुधर ही जाते
अगर न होती मुसलमानों की परेशानी
इसमें शीनोय है राजा और विजय है रानी

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Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) supremo Mohan Bhagwat has admitted that the RSS had actively participated in the Anna Hazare-led anti-corruption agitation earlier this year.

now it clear that anna movement was zoinist brhmnst attack on our democatic institution with the help of zoinist control media.

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@ Everyone;
As I try to evolve in being better human being, turds come here in this blog and force me to reconsider my resolve.

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Today Obama on Pakistan .
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President Barack Obama returned to front-foot batting in the ongoing crisis of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship, when he said at a White House news conference on Thursday that Islamabad was hedging its bets in terms of the post-drawdown denouement in Afghanistan, in particular by associating with “unsavoury characters.”

In a rare departure, Mr. Obama explicitly alluded to Pakistan’s role in its troubled history with India, saying Pakistan saw its “security interest threatened by an independent Afghanistan, in part because they think it will ally itself to India and Pakistan still considers India their mortal enemy.”

“Part of what we want to do is actually get Pakistan to realise that a peaceful approach towards India would be in everybody’s interests,” he said.
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Now Do you think Obama would say something like “get Pakistan to realise ” , if he had any understanding and knowledge of the history of Pakistan and the nature and character of trhe completely evil and criminal entity that it is ?

Most of India and USA’s failure to understand the entity called Pakistan originates in their inability to comprehend the monstrosity of this entity. A good starting point would be the letter of Jagindra Nath Mandal, who was a minister in first Pakistan cabinet of Liaqat Ali Khan and had a complete knowledge of the functioning of the Jinnah-state.

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Breathtaking , THAT IS HUMAN NATURE. When people generally low in spirits at the passing away of Steve Jobs , which also tells us all this religion , nation , malaki is essentially complete BAKWAS. Yet some IMBECILE cannot have their food digested unless he can bring up and have a go at pakistan . I am not sure these guys are any different from Taliban , totally bereft of any insight , infact totally bereft of any sight , IN OTHER WORDS BLIND from ignorance and bigotry.Humanism is a word hated by these gross and crude characters.

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Shan,
Can you put ENGRICH to sleep? He is suffering from rabies…

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ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

Allah लोग सुन रहें हैं ऐसी कहानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

यह आम Musalmano की कथा नहीं है,
यह है इक निराले Jehad की कहानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

गाँधी जिसमे है एक बरडा दुर्जन
यहाँ Mohammad की होती है बहुत मेहमानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

Shiaon पर किये अत्याचार न हों अंकित
तब ही बन जाये गी हमारी झूठी कहानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

Shenoy ने लगाय दो ऐसे चांटे
एक को नज़र आने लगी दूसरे की नानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

बहता है झूठ इनके लब्हों से ऐसे
जैसे बहता है मीना कुमारी की आँखों से पानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और RAVI है रानी

हालात आपने तो सुधर ही जाते
अगर न होती Hinduon की परेशानी
इसमें ENGRICH है राजा और Ravi है randi

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I don’t want to interact with gutter rats ENGRICH and RAVI…but who can tolerate pests for very long?

Both have been perfect representative of primitive faith that they practice.

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Rajiv,
Mondal was very brief in describing plight of hindus in east pakistan. Here is the book from Dr.Gurucharan Singh Talib (SGPC) that has details of every muslim league attacks on hindu and sikhs in great detail.
One of the things that will surely catch your eyes is that during those days muslims allowed hindus and sikhs to alight the trains but once they were inside the bogies, muslims used to set fire to those bogies roasting unsuspecting hindus-sikhs. This modus operandi was again tried by muslims in Godhra but as usual hindus never learn from history and gave muslims benefit of doubt.

The chapters are at the bottom of this link-
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Muslim_League_Attack_on_Sikhs_and_Hindus_in_the_Punjab_1947

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LINK to the book detailing genocide of hindus-sikhs by muslims during partition.
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/mla/index.htm

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This is for all those muslims who have romantic view of Pakistan and Islamic brotherhood…

Indian Mohajir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_wdVQVBHA&feature=related

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Vijay Kumar,
Missed your submission in my court Shubho Bijoya to you and all others-
I will go against tradition and keep the operative part of the judgement for later.. probably never
Let me fill up the space with, as in all judgments, some homilies and gyaan.
This goes out to Rajiv, Rajeev, Shenoy, Raju Kurien.. et al
To me it does not matter what Ravi is- though I am 100% sure that he is what he says; a 62 year old who has lived in UK for 40 years, a Mona Sikh from Delhi. He has, sometimes, very weird notions about Indian politics and society- that does not make him a Pakistani- my own family is very unsure about my religion; that does not make me anything but a Hindu.
Yesterday, I read a lovely quote by Vivekananda- an atheist is one who does not believe in himself. There! I told myself- I have a path to salvation!
As for Ravi’s views: he is still a 22 year old as far as Indian politics is concerned. It’s like the 40 year old American tour guides that told you that India is a land of snake-charmers, Maharajas and you will reach your hotel atop an elephant from the airport (and oh, by the way, carry your own toilet paper!).
I read Ravi (other than to appreciate his English- I would pay to read him, if he ever wrote a book) to appreciate how far we have progressed in this country in the last 40 years.
If we do not doubt the Indian-ness of Ram Puniyani, Zakir Naik, Kancha Illaiah, DT Rajsekhar.. all of whom say far more tendentious and plain wrong things about India, Hindu-Muslim relations, Dalit issues and frankly are counter-productive to the idea of India- why doubt that of Ravi?
There are other, and more productive ways of cutting his ideas to shreds.

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Shenoy
Conversation thread of this new format is all screwy.
I had put in some queries regarding your/Shoeb’s analysis of potential outcomes in LokSabha elections.He felt BJP alliance will obtain five more seats in Karnataka for a total of 24. What is your reading?

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THREE APPLES HAVE CHANGED THE WORLD:
ADAM’S, NEWTON’S AND STEEVE JOBS’.
(TOI)

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Advani’s Rathyatra : 14 special aircraft and six helicopters

The name rath yatra may give you the impression that L K Advani is going to undertake an all-land march, until you learn about the list of flights the Bharatiya Janata Party veteran would use as part of his nation-wide trip. He will be using 14 special aircraft and six helicopters for his Rath yatra !!!

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Ashish

Katerine Mayo observations and Today’s India

In 1927 Katherine Mayo put significant emphasise on the practice of CHILD MARRIAGE in India and summarily condemned it.

It appears that my mention of this subject has caused Ashish to suggest that her ideas (condemnation without understanding) are still alive and are being re-presented by me.

Just to correct that erroneous perception and to put Ashish right:

My renewed interest in the subject was inspired by an article written – in support of a TV programme – by Nel Hedayat.

NOT IN 1927, BUT IN 2011.

Here are some extracts from her article and a link.

Some 10 million girls a year are married off before the age of 18 across the world, according to a Unicef report released this year.

…. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15082550…..

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In Islamic country it is valid for a men to take 6 year old wife following the tradition set by Mohammad. The men can be 60 years plus and they can enjoy sex by various means. It has been described in detail (Sunnat).

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WIth Digvijay, Bukhari and Thackray on one side opposing Anna, I am convinced that Anna is on right path.

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WIth Digvijay, Bukhari and Thackray on one side opposing Anna, I am convinced that Anna is on right path.

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Caution : Do not respond to the anti-India ( hich for them is synonomous ith anti-Hindu ) propoganda by vile engrich and Ravi.
As you alk the street you may see lot of trash. Its not necesary for you to engage it.
If you want to play there game, you may have to use the same tactics of looking for all vile anti-Muslim, anti-Sikh material on the net and post it here ?
Are you ready to stoop to the gutter level where dirty dogs like engrich , Ravi and communal Jinnah-Pakistan communal dogs live ?
If so engage them.

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Caution : Do not respond to the anti-India ( hich for them is synonomous ith anti-Hindu ) propoganda by vile engrich and Ravi.
As you alk the street you may see lot of trash. Its not necesary for you to engage it.
If you want to play there game, you may have to use the same tactics of looking for all vile anti-Muslim, anti-Sikh material on the net and post it here ?
Are you ready to stoop to the gutter level where dirty dogs like engrich , Ravi and communal Jinnah-Pakistan communal dogs live ?
If so engage them.

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The Islamic countries rejected “Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)” and came up with their own Islamic human right in accordance with Sharia. The human rights of non-muslims under sharia are that of a slave.
When muslims themselves have rejected universal definition of human right, how can they take refuge under same human rights in case of Gujarat and other cases.

Here is Islamic definition of Human rights (Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam)-

“The CDHRI does not discuss freedom of religion, assembly, association or the requirement of free consent to marriage, the right to a fair trial, prisoners’ rights, minority rights, the right to a nationality, suffrage, social security, trade unions, strikes or participation in cultural life.[1] The Cairo Declaration also includes several crucial limitations, including all rights being bound by Islamic law; it allows the right to take a life, inflict bodily harm, that the education of children be in accordance with sharia, that there are rights that can be claimed from children or kin, restriction on freedom of movement and the ability to deny refugees protection whenever permitted by sharia.[1]”

“Article 24 of the declaration states: “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.” Article 19 also says: “There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.”[6]”

The CDHRI has been criticised for failing to guarantee freedom of religion as a “fundamental and nonderogable right”.

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The Islamic countries rejected “Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)” and came up with their own Islamic human right in accordance with Sharia. The human rights of non-muslims under sharia are that of a slave.
When muslims themselves have rejected universal definition of human right, how can they take refuge under same human rights in case of Gujarat and other cases.

Here is Islamic definition of Human rights (Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam)-

“The CDHRI does not discuss freedom of religion, assembly, association or the requirement of free consent to marriage, the right to a fair trial, prisoners’ rights, minority rights, the right to a nationality, suffrage, social security, trade unions, strikes or participation in cultural life.[1] The Cairo Declaration also includes several crucial limitations, including all rights being bound by Islamic law; it allows the right to take a life, inflict bodily harm, that the education of children be in accordance with sharia, that there are rights that can be claimed from children or kin, restriction on freedom of movement and the ability to deny refugees protection whenever permitted by sharia.[1]”

“Article 24 of the declaration states: “All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Sharia.” Article 19 also says: “There shall be no crime or punishment except as provided for in the Sharia.”[6]”

The CDHRI has been criticised for failing to guarantee freedom of religion as a “fundamental and nonderogable right”.

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All

Pakistan has charged the doctor (Afrid?? who assisted the Americans in confirming the identity of bin Laden) with TREASON.

That is Paksitanis and Pakistani system for all to see! The guy does a humanitarian service of assisting to capture the number one terrorist, and he is considered a traitor!

What fru….. chance then the minorities – Hindus, christians, ahmadiyas, shias etc have if the govt is willing to go this extreme to “defend” a terrorist! Not just any terrorist, but bin Laden!

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This is great example of decaying hindu spirituality-

http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/60781/3/20
देवी के गले से सोने की चेनें चुरा ले गए बाप-बेटी
वार्ताPosted on Oct 07, 2011 at 06:08pm IST | Updated Oct 07, 2011 at 06:14pm IST

चेन्नई। तमिलनाडु की राजधानी चेन्नई के उपनगर पल्लावरम स्थित देवी पेरियापलायातन्नम मंदिर में दर्शन करने पहुंचे पिता-पुत्री ने पुजारी को झांसा देकर देवी के गले से सोने की दस चेनों पर हाथ साफ कर दिया।
पुलिस सूत्रों ने बताया कि आधुनिक कपड़े पहने 16 वर्षीय लड़की 55 वर्षीय एक व्यक्ति के साथ चमचमाती कार से मंदिर पहुंची और पुजारी को 500 का करारा नोट देकर आरती के लिए कहा। इस पर खुश पुजारी सेंथामाराई (70) उन्हें मंदिर प्रांगण में भीतर ले गया। उस व्यक्ति ने पुजारी से कहा कि वह उनकी पुत्री के लिए विशेष पूजा अर्चना कर दे।
मंदिर में भीड़ होने के कारण पुजारी ने उन्हें पूजा के लिए अगले सप्ताह आने के लिए कहा। इस पर पिता-पुत्री वहां से चले गए। पुजारी ने उनके जाने के बाद पाया कि देवी की मूर्ति से सोने की दस चेनें गायब हैं। उसने फौरन इसकी सूचना पुलिस को दी। पुलिस ने जांच शुरू कर दी है।

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This blog is not about Hinduism, Islam or Sikh extrimism.
The Jinnah-communal-dogs from Ravi to Engrich, would want to debase this blog and reduce it to there levels.
So just as engagenmgement has never worked with Pakistan ( because its a wilfully criminal entity ) , similarly engagement wont work with wilfully vile pro-pak or anti-India elements here.
Just isolate them. Thats the only approach that can mimimize the damage they would do to the blog.

However if you want to be a Kuldip Nayar or DigVijay Singh , its your choice.

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This blog is not about religion. This is about Indo-Pak relations and geo-political issues.
If you want to discuss religion please go to some blog titled
http://www.most_discredited_and_scorned_religion.com
If you can’t find the link, make one !

Meanwhile, this is what Karzai had to say today about Taleban and Pakistan ( the communal entity founded by its mass-murderer Jinnah )

“Definitely, the Taliban will not be able to move a finger without Pakistani support,” he said,

http://tribune.com.pk/story/268856/taliban-will-not-be-able-to-move-a-finger-without-pakistani-support/

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Guys WHY DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS PAKISTAN, there is plenty to discuss about INDIA. First the good news , The TABLET made in India is going to be sold for 1500Rs to students. THIS IS SOME ACHEIVEMENT,
next the bad news, 1 in 2 children in INDIA is malnourished.
As for Ravi’s constant reminder about child marriage , I WAS QUITE IMPRESSED , India is 13th.As for PAKISTAN read this
They discovered they’d been promised in marriage to their enemies when they were children, a practice in Pakistan known as vani.

“When we grew up we came to know that a great injustice had been done to us,” says Abda Khan, now 18.

“Vani is equal to a murder. If we were to marry those boys, it would be the same as killing us.”

Vani is a tribal custom in which blood feuds are settled with forced marriages.

The bride spends her life paying for the crime of her male relatives.
Also NO DENYING CHILD MARRIAGE IS A PROBLEM IN INDIA which govt is trying to address
Quote: According to “National Plan of Action for Children 2005″ (published by the Department of Women and Child Development of India), a goal has been set to eliminate child marriage completely by 2010. This plan is proving to be successful,
though it is still difficult to monitor every child due to the sheer population of India.[17]
60% of Indian population is still involved in agriculture , yet AGRICULTURE contributes 14% of GDP. This anomaly needs to be addressed.
Start with REVOLUTION IN FARMING. This would mean INDUSTRIAL SCALE FARMING , with all plot holders giving up land to a corporation/co-operative in lieu of a share in the company. AGRO SCIENTIST , SOIL SCIENTIST dictating the FARMING PRACTICE.
COMPULSORY LAW ENFORCED EDUCATION FOR ALL TILL AGE 16
We need all the TOP BRAINS like Nilekani, Pai, Azim premji etc and not the OLD FARTS of the planning commission.
It will take napeolinic effort , BUT IT IS WORTH THE EFFORT..
massive scope for PIG FARMING, poultry farming to be expanded, and to some extent dairy farming.
AGRICULTURE as seen by me in UK is light years ahead of India.
However , just to disseminate this knowledge.Potato is GROWN IN BAGS , SO IS TOMATO, AND herbs in POTS and sold atraight to supermarket.AND I HAVE SEEN MYSELF FISH FARM IN WALES JUST A TANK.
Also enclosure made around the sea shore and fish cultivated.
Chillies are sold in supermarket as a plant on the pot with chillies sticking out. this can be done like a cottage industry , dont need open fields.
FOR HIGH TECH visit http://www.thanetearth.com , some 30miles from where I live

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~~~BREAKING NEWS – VINOD SHARMA DISCUSSED ON FACEBOOK~~~
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I have recently discovered a slightly recent discussion that someone started on The Newshour’s Facebook Fan page (The Newshour is Times Now flagship debate program hosted by Arnab Goswami).

This is how it starts:

DONT CALL VINOD SHARMA ON THE NEWSHOUR

Nitish Bhardwaj
lately i have been seeing too much of Vinod Sharma( political editor hindustan times) on your show THE NEWSHOUR…he seems too much biased and he should better introduce himself as journalist who is close to “congress”…as Swapan Dasgupta does..Vinod sharma seems like an unofficial spokesman of the congress…..in this era of scams where congress is undisputed leader vinod is trying to seek legitimacy for congress…may be a rajya sabha seat be his intent…..but with his illogical bytes he is making no one fool……so better not call him on your show….

There are a total of 87 replies on that thread. Make sure you check it out

facebook.com/topic.php?uid=250933355730&topic=16762

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Killer Qadri, Killer Ilm-ud-din, blasphemy and Jinnah
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Today there have been violent demeonstrations in Pakistan , in support of Qadri.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/268901/enraged-protestors-demand-release-of-mumtaz-qadri/#comments

Mr Qadri, the body guard of Pak Punjab governor, gunned down Pak Punjab governor Mr Salmaan Taseer.

However, people who mock and criticize the violent communal Pakistani protestors forget that
communal Jinnah did something very similar in 1929.

On 6th Sep 1929, a Muslim fanatic, by the name Ilm-Ud-din, murdered in broad day light a Hindu publisher in Lahore by the name
of Raj Pal, alleging that he had committed ‘blasphemy’.
The British courts handed down death sentence to the fanatic
( fanatic – who must be just like the jinnah’s communal dogs, Ravi, Engrich here ) .

Now Who appered in defense of that fanatic in courts , pleading for mercy ?
It was none other than Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the same butcher who planned the cold blooded murders of direct action day and
showed no mercy to the tens of thousands his Muslim league goons killed.

Pakistan and its apologists are not vile by accident.
Pakistan today is not the vilest entity by accident.

Those who criticize killer Qadri or criticize those defending him forget that Qadri, Taleban are rightful heirs of the communal ,mass-murderer Jinnah

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छत्तीसगढ़ की राजधानी रायपुर के बूढ़ातालाब में प्रतिवर्ष सिर्फ गणेशोत्सव में विसर्जन के अवसर पर हजारों किलोग्राम मिट्टी , ऑइल पेंट , केरोसिन तेल , तारपीन तेल , प्लास्टिक , पॉलिथिन , लकड़ी , प्लास्टर ऑफ पेरिस और बांस डाला जाता है। इसके अलावा सिंदूर , अभ्रक , धागे , कपड़े , सिक्के , तेल और अन्य खराब पदार्थ भी तालाब में डाले जाते हैं। बूढ़ातालाब में विसर्जित की जाने वाली सामग्री का आकलन जब हमने किया तो अचंभित रह गए। मूर्तिकारों व सजावटकर्ताओं से चर्चा में पता चला कि शहर में करीब दस हजार मूर्तियां स्थापित की जाती हैं , जो एक किलोग्राम से पांच सौ किलोग्राम तथा इससे भी अधिक की होती हैं। इनमें करीब 24 हजार किलो मिट्टी तथा प्लास्टर ऑफ पेरिस , ढाई हजार लीटर ऑयल पेंट तथा एक हजार लीटर तारपीन तेल व मिट्टी तेल प्रयोग किया जाता है। इसके साथ ही हजारों किलो पुआल , लकड़ी , बांस , रस्सियां , कांच , पॉलीथिन , प्लास्टिक और थर्मोकोल भी पानी में विसर्जित होते हैं। इससे तालाब का पानी एकदम प्रदूषित हो जाता है।

हमारे यहां तालाबों की बहुलता रही है जिससे यहां का भूजल स्तर भी काफी अच्छा रहा है। लेकिन पिछले कुछ दशकों में तालाबों की संख्या में न केवल आश्चर्यजनक रूप से कमी आई है बल्कि वे उथले और प्रदूषित भी होते जा रहे है। विकास तथा शहरीकरण के दौर में अनेक बड़े – बड़े तालाब पाट कर कॉम्प्लेक्स बनाने , तालाब की भूमि पर अतिक्रमण करने के कारण काफी तालाब अदृश्य हो चुके हैं , वहीं कुछ सामाजिक परंपराओं के गलत अनुसरण के कारण भी तालाब प्रदूषित होते तथा पटते जा रहे है। कुछ तालाब जलकुंभी फैलने और आसपास की फैक्ट्रियों से खतरनाक रसायनों के प्रवाह के कारण बीमार हो रहे है।

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1) RSS was part of Anna stir: Bhagwat

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/maharashtra/RSS-was-part-of-Anna-stir-Bhagwat/Article1-754400.aspx

2) Anna denies RSS support to Ramlila stir.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Hazare-dismisses-RSS-claim-Cong-attacks-him/Article1-754694.aspx

Both cannot be speaking the truth. Can anyone tell me who is lying?

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Ajay,

I have merely reproduced a good quote from Times of India, which in turn has sourced it to an internet chain message.

However, I too am racking my brain for something equally quotable.

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Mohan,

you had asked a question , “Is Tajmahal collapsing ?

Here is something for you to chew on:

We know that Taj Mahal is a symbol of Love but not the lesser known facts:
1.Mumtaj was Shajahan’s 4th wife out of his 7 wives
2.Shahajan killed Mumtaj’s husband to marry her.
3.Mumtaj died during her 14th delivery
4. After Mumtaj’s death he married her sister
So where the hell was love?

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~~ While Vijay Kumar was Away, jehadi trolls and internet fundoos had a field day!!~~
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I am at a conference, but just glanced at the blog and realised

That OUT OF THE LAST 100 POSTINGS, T U R D ENGRICH AND HIS ISI FUNDOO LOVER Rav have posted 62.

They may think this is wisdom and they are doing the task assigned to them by ISI, but they have ended up making the blog boring. For example if I want to read Rajiv or Pankaj, I have to wade thru ten of engrich’s nonsensical typed t u r d s and Ravi’s RSS rape rape cries.

How sick and boring.

Binoy and Dr Mishra had to leave the blog becasue of this dirt.

It is sad that person like Ravi has been reduced from Shan’s kuttar to Engrich’s and Tajendar’s Kuttar and behnoi

@ Ashish

yes I read ur post. I appreciate what ur saying. That let sleeping T UR DS and Jehadi Dogs sleep. But remember what is happening to this blog now.

A joint attack by Jinnah and LeT.

Ravi giving it a sophiticated veneer like Jinnah and Omar Khalid Sheikh. While Engrich and Tajendar attack like the scum LeT…

Anyway, got to deliver a small lecture now…

have fun !

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And you are an arse licker

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Pratap Singh Rane is following the footsteps of his leader Manmohan Singh. Who in turn followed the footsteps of his late leader Indira Gandhi…. A pliant Judiciary … a pliant bureaucracy … a pliant Press .. So when the Mining Scam in Goa broke out what did Rane do … he removed Parikkar as Chief of PAC and brought in a legislator who is keen to join Congress. This is the gift of the Congress Party, which has just paid its tributes to Mahatma Gandhi.
And nothing to speak of the what its government in Rajasthan is upto . A FIR has been filed gainst its Cabinet Minister , but neither he has resigned nor he has been asked to resign .. and another 6 Ministers are involved in different scams , but CM comes on TV and says he is giving “sushasan ‘ But where are the vigilant guardians the Senior Commentators and the Editors from the Free Press … looking the other way

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Rajiv,

I read about Gopinath Mandal from the link you had provided. These lesser known
events of partition should be discussed more frequently to have the true perspective
of those time. Thanks. And where Pakistan is concerned it seems that it has gone from bad to worse by looking at the recent happenings over there. The rallies being taken out in support of Qadri is very disturbing .

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India and Pakistan

I suppose many of you must have already read it.

Shekhar Gupta’s National Interest

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-be-very-afraid/857168/0

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Pakistan and the great danger it poses — to us and the world
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Thank you Manohar for the link. Yes, Shekhar Gupta’s article predicts a showdown and maybe continous terror attacks on us from Pakistan. It is highly possible that the failed state would do anything to grab attention.

It is indeed sad that our government is weak and has not got its counter terror strategy in place. In fact our crown prince has absolved the LeT , literally and tried to shift focus of terror onto RSS! how funny. Something which I was seeing on this blog too.

We need to stand together and if need be give a strong counter punch to Pakistan as was done in 1971. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS TIME THE WORLD AND US WOULD BE WITH US.

How can this be done?

a) encourage breakup forces in Baluchistan and sindh THROUGH the US. As such US and NATO would find this the best strategy of winding up pakistan. They are not going to swallow the insults of their troops and theri Afghan strategy butchered by the Pakistanis. So we could give them ideas and help them finance this .

b) Strenghten ourselves with the latest equipment and be on high alert for terror and direct attacks.

c) Give NATO bases in case they laucnh a Libya type attack on Paksitan.

The great game has begun.

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@ Everyone;
do we some people ere as : Ashik e Rasool?:

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GUILTY OF AN UNSOLVED CRIME ?
The Supreme Court acknowledges that Mohammed Afzal Guru is not a terrorist and that they have no direct evidence against him. Is he on death row on the basis of a shoddy probe? Mihir Srivastava looks at critical questions still unanswered

The thoroughness of the probe can be judged by the court’s remarks. It pulled up the police for faking arrest memos and doctoring telephone conversations
December 13, 2001. “Five heavily armed persons stormed the Parliament House complex and inflicted heavy casualties on the security men on duty. This unprecedented event bewildered the entire nation and sent shockwaves across the globe. In the gun battle that lasted thirty minutes, these five terrorists who tried to gain entry into the Parliament when it was in session, were killed. Nine persons including eight security personnel and one gardener succumbed to the bullets of the terrorists and 16 persons including 13 security men received injuries. The five terrorists were ultimately killed…” — From the Supreme Court judgement.

Six years and three judgements later, we still do not ‘reliably’ know who attacked Parliament on December 13, 2001. What we do know is that Mohammed Afzal Guru, the alleged conspirator, was awarded the death penalty but is he being made a scapegoat? Is Afzal being held guilty for a crime that is still unsolved?

Consider this: the ‘comprehensive investigation’ of the attack on Parliament was completed in 17 days flat by the investigators — the Special Cell of the Delhi Police. The prosecution story of who attacked Parliament, which is popularly believed to be the real story, is based on the confession of the main accused Afzal Guru to the police under the Prevention of Terrorist Activities Act (POTA). The Supreme Court has dubbed this confession, and thus, in effect, the conspiracy theory behind the attack floated by the police, as “unreliable”.

There are 12 accused in the Parliament attack case. Five of them — Mohammad, Tariq, Hamza, Rana and Raja — were killed when they tried to lay siege on Parliament. The other three — Gazi Baba, Masood Azhar and Tariq, allegedly the masterminds behind the attack and Lashkar-e-Toiba (let) and Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) operatives — were never arrested. Gazi Baba was shot in an encounter with security forces in 2004. His body was recognised by Afzal’s brother. Only four accused were arrested: Afzal Guru, his cousin Shaukat Hussain Guru, Shaukat’s wife Afsan Guru and SAR Geelani, a teacher of Arabic in Delhi University. Geelani and Afsan were acquitted. Not one of them was convicted under POTA charges. Afzal does not belong to any banned terrorist organisation. Shaukat was sentenced to 10 years rigorous imprisonment because he knew about the conspiracy. Afzal was given the death sentence on the charges of murder and for waging war against the State.

Quick probe but no direct evidence against Afzal

The thoroughness with which the investigations of such an important case were carried out can be judged by the remarks made by the Delhi High Court. The court has pulled up the investigators for the production of false arrest memos, doctoring of telephone conversations and the illegal confining of people to force them to sign blank papers. Despite these observations, “the courts did not pass any strictures against the officers for their shoddy and illegal investigations,” says Nandita Haksar, Geelani’s lawyer.

There is no direct evidence against Afzal. None of the 80 prosecution witnesses ever even alleged that Afzal was in any way associated with or belonged to any terrorist organisation. He has been awarded the death sentence entirely on the basis of circumstantial evidence. Afzal did not shy away from admitting the possibly incriminating fact that he brought Mohammad from Kashmir and that he accompanied him when the latter purchased a second-hand Ambassador, two days before the attack. The Supreme Court in its judgement observes that even when his lawyer attempted to deny this fact during the trial, Afzal insisted that he indeed had accompanied Mohammad.

They didn’t need to die: Parliament staff pay homage to security personnel who died in the attack

The former Thane Police chief claimed that they had arrested Hamza and handed him over to J&K cops in December 2000

Why was the STF’s involvement not probed?

In the same vein, Afzal maintains that he did this at the behest of the Special Task Force (STF) of the Jammu and Kashmir police. Afzal alleged in a letter to his lawyer Sushil Kumar in the Supreme Court that Davinder Singh, Deputy sp of Humhama, in Jammu and Kashmir, asked him to take Mohammad to Delhi and arrange for his stay there. “Since I was not knowing the man, but I suspected this man is not Kashmiri, as he did not speak Kashmiri,” wrote Afzal. “The facts of the letter were never put on record before the courts,” charges Haksar.

It is clear from the case records that Afzal is a surrendered militant, who gave himself up to the bsf in 1993. Further, Afzal told the court that he was frequently asked by the STF to work for them (a senior police official has confirmed this to Tehelka). He said the STF extorted large sums of money from him for not arresting him. But he was detained in as late as 2000 and was offered the job of a special police officer. He met Tariq (a co-accused, who is absconding) in the STF camp, where the latter was working. It was Tariq who introduced Mohammad to him in the STF camp. The alleged role of the STF in the Parliament attack, as per the court record, has not been investigated at all. Davinder Singh confirmed that no investigator ever got back to him and sought clarification on his alleged role in sending Mohammad to Delhi with Afzal’s help. “Why will they ask me this? He (Afzal) is saying this to save his own skin,” said Singh.

In his reply, Singh denies the allegations. “Do you want to say that we are behind the Parliament attack,” he asked. Singh acknowledged that he had once detained Afzal for interrogation. “We had reliable information that he knew the whereabouts of Gazi Baba, one of the most dreaded terrorists in Kashmir (and an accused in the case). But we couldn’t get anything out of him and let him go.”

The Delhi Police Special Cell had only Afzal to identify the bodies of the five assassins gunned down in Parliament. There is no other corroborative evidence that sheds light on the identities of these five terrorists. Later in court, Afzal denied identifying them. “I had not identified any terrorists. Police told me the names of the terrorists and forced me to identify them,” Afzal told the court in his statement made under Section 313 of the Criminal Procedure Code.

In the absence of any direct evidence against Afzal, the Supreme Court said in its judgement: “The incident which resulted in heavy casualty, has shaken the entire nation and the collective conscience of the society will only be satisfied if capital punishment will be awarded to the offender.” Haksar does not agree with the court’s view. “The Supreme Court has not passed any strictures against the corrupt officers for their shoddy and illegal investigations and has held that there is no direct evidence against Afzal. However they have confirmed the death sentence because they believe that this death is necessary to assuage Indian citizens.”

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