Days the dollar didn’t die



Professor Eswar Prasad of Cornell University is touring India promoting his new book The Dollar Trap.

In his book, Prasad says, he seeks to explain a seeming paradox: why the US economy plunged into crisis while the US dollar went from strength to strength.

The US issued trillions of dollars in debt, printed money like crazy. It was the origin of the subprime crisis that levelled much of the world financial sector in 2008-09. The US political system became gridlocked. Washington even teetered on the edge of defaulting on its debt.

And yet the dollar didn’t stumble.

As Prasad notes, the effective exchange rate of the dollar is more or less what it was before the crisis. The US printed an ocean of bonds — $ 5.5 trillion since 2007 and 60% were lapped up by foreign buyers. Even during the default crisis of 2013, short-term T-bond interest rates rose by all of six cents to the dollar. Buyers who dumped short-term bonds, notes Prasad, just switched the money to long-term T-bonds — which experienced a decline in interest rates.

Why did the dollar not die?

Size matters in this. The US economy remains, by a long shot, the largest economy in the world today. There was no other liquid stable financial asset in such quantities in the world. If you were China, says Prasad, you had no choice but to buy American bonds as there was no other place to park your hundreds of billions of dollars.

However, Prasad’s real argument is that the US’s economic strength was only part of the story. The undergirding strength is the strength and credibility of the US’s institutions. Foreign investors know that the strength of the US central bank, the independence of its judiciary, fairness of its regulators and, ultimately, the stability of the US political system.

Thus, the US government cannot differentiate how it treats say the US buyer of a T-bond and a foreign buyer — its in the law books and the judiciary has ruled that all must be treated equally. This is reassuring for an investor.

Thus, when the world economy seemed to be off its moorings the US’s safe haven status trumped its domestic economic condition. Everyone flocked to the Stars and Stripes, even if it was a bit threadbare.

None of this is surprising. George Soros noted just after the subprime crisis that “The dollar is the weakest currency except for all the others.”

Prasad’s argument that institutions were the “magic sauce” of the US fits into numerous studies that have shown democracies traditionally have a better record of honouring their debts and maintaining their financial credibility — all the way back to ancient Greece.

This is slightly reassuring for India. Though the Indian economy is in a mess right now, it continues to receive strong ratings for its financial and regulatory institutions in places like the Millken ratings, especially when compared to other emerging nations. It implies that New Delhi could leverage its financial regulation and institutions to compensate for the smallness of its GDP in comparison to say China. This would seem to be evident in the amount of foreign capital that flows into India, relatively high in comparison to similar emerging economies (China excepted).

At one of Prasad’s talks in New Delhi, someone in the audience asked that what Prasad was talking about applied in a messy sort of way to India as well — checks and balances, free media, independent judges and so on. So did the future lie with India? This person was a foreigner. The largely Indian audience smiled but reassured him he was on the wrong track.

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  • Ravi

    Debate is the life force of a matured democracy. Disruption is the slow poison that is designed to kill democracy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You sport a walrus mustache but spoke like dove.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not simply debates. Debates which are intelligent, logical and coherent. Rants, obfuscation and shouting are not debates. Disruptions are of course slow poison. Though disruptive elements are everywhere.

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    Ravi Reply:

    The BJP tries to talk to the people directly (Rath Yatras) above the Parliament and thereby takes Politics to the street. At the same time it takes street agitation (Disruption) to the Parliament.

    It does not know how to oppose, all it knows is how to appease its vote bank of Conservative Hindus.

    I see Lingyats and other assorted golgappas – who were once in the Congress fold once again returning to it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Taking out Rath Yatras is legal, or you are only allowed to do road-shows?

    2. Congress also disrupted the parliament when in opposition, undesirable but unavoidable

    3. Anyone who votes for the BJP must be a conservative Hindu, what do we get when the same logic is extended to the party in power?

    4. Yeddyuruppa is only a statemnt away from attaining sainthood, all that he needs to say is – I have quit BJP and joined the Congress

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Your point no. 4 was brilliant.

    Ravi Reply:

    True Rath Yatra and many other forms of communal shenanigans are legal, but are they parliamentary?

    Anonymous Reply:

    All that happens on the streets is unparliamentary and all that happens inside supreme court chambers is illegal.

  • Anonymous

    Our blog will never die as we do not have any dearth of subjects to debate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    except that after a couple of hours we forget what the subject matter of the blog was all about and merrily set off commenting on all matters under the sun (and sometimes above it).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This is the beauty of this blog that we can and we do discuss
    all the subjects and yes some of them are above the sun too.

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  • Anonymous

    The Aircel-Maxis deal is a bit complicated. Here are few points alleged by Dr. Swamy in his case against Mr. Chidambaram and his family …

    * Govt claimed no delay on part of Chidambaram in approving the Aircel-Maxis deal. It said the March 7, 2006 meeting of FIPB cleared the Maxis investment of around Rs. 4,000 crore in Aircel.

    * But an October 17, 2006 Press release of FIPB shows Chidambaram cleared the deal only in the October 3, 2006 meeting of FIPB.

    * The vital information that the Govt concealed is that at the March 7, 2006 meeting of the FIPB, clearances were given to another company with similar name – BT Global Communication (Mauritius) Ltd.

    * The FIPB also did not show the amount of foreign investment and kept the concerned column blank. Normally all FIPB clearances would specify the value of foreign investment.

    ======

    Thanks Mr. Sharma for bringing up this issue in the name of discussion/debate in parliament. I’d let more informed people take up this issue and simplify it for the benefit of others. I would join in at a later stage. I am still collecting information/allegation/rebuttals on it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I look forward to more details, so that we can discuss. Hanky-panky by anyone is not to be tolerated.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    You have provided very interesting information. Will wait to hear further news
    from you on this subject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar jaane sach kya hai.

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  • Anonymous

    Scam suspected in installation of elephant statutes in Mayawati’s dalit memorials

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Scam-suspected-in-installation-of-elephant-statutes-in-Mayawatis-dalit-memorials/articleshow/13136417.cms

    After NRHM, Noida land, toilet and canal scams during the previous Mayawati regime, now financial irregularities have been found in making and installation of elephant statutes in dalit memorials. These memorials were built in Lucknow and Noida by Mayawati. She projected them as symbol of dalit pride and a place of pilgrim. However, on Monday, Lucknow police found documents during raids at office and godown of the UP state Nirman Nigam which showed anomalies in tendering, payments to the sculptors and over evaluation of about 200 statutes of elephant in dalit parks and memorials.

    The matter came to light on Saturday when a Madal Lal from Agra lodged an FIR against a contractor Aditya Agarwal who had ordered for the carving of the statutes. In his FIR, Lal claimed that Agarwal gave him the contract of supplying stones and installing it after carving an elephant. Lal said he was told that the official rate of one elephant statue is Rs 48 lakh but was paid only Rs 7.5 lakh.

    ———–

    Read on.

    Was there ever a doubt re: Mayawati?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ponty Chadha(*) reports Rs 175 crore ‘undisclosed’ income to I-T

    * Isn’t he close to Behenji?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Ponty-Chadha-reports-Rs-175-crore-undisclosed-income-to-I-T/articleshow/13136505.cms

    Three months after the income tax department conducted searches on his businesses, liquor baron Ponty Chadha is said to have reported Rs 175 crore of ‘undisclosed’ income to the department.

    “The business group has admitted an undisclosed income of Rs 175 crore and further tax related proceedings are on,” official sources said.

    ————-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I buy my daaru from grey market only in Gujarat because of the
    prohibition in that state. Definitely my money is not part of this
    Rs. 175 crore undisclosed income of Ponty Chadha.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It would be part of undisclosed income of someone else. I will not name the person.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy sahab;
    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy.

    Great.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1 am cer89an9y impres9e9 b8 thi0 1.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As usual, your posting shows you did not get the syntax right. We all know you have problem with Coding-Decoding like you showed your poor grasp on Reasoning before.

    In your whole response, perhaps only 1 element is as per the example.

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  • Anonymous

    Delightful news.

    99 tigers sighted in a single day in Maharashtra

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Maharashtra/99-tigers-sighted-in-a-single-day-in-Maharashtra/Article1-855629.aspx

    Here’s some good news for wildlife lovers! At least 99 tigers and 96 leopards were sighting during the nightlong machan (waterhole) census in just one day at different tiger reserves and wildlife sanctuaries, including the famed Tadoba, Melghat and Pench in Maharashtra. The census was done on May 6, which was a full moon night.

    According to the state wildlife wing, apart from big cats, a number of rare species such as pangolin and mouse deer were also sighted. “If 99 tiger were sighted in just a day in protected forest areas, it indicates that the tiger population in the state would be over 200,” claims Kishore Mishrikotkar, assistant conservator of forests (Wildlife).

    —————

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    In a country where we hear about a scam everyday, you never know that there might be a scam in this news also.
    Perhaps 99 people were watching and everyone saw same tiger and reported.
    and the headlines became 99 Tigers spotted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mohan

    good one -

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Incompareable Mohan!! You got my black and white dose out of my head !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is good to be a doubting Thomas.

    However, other than the poachers, I do not think anyone else is not serious about our wildlife.

    Would you also doubt the census figures of lions in Gujarat? I do not think so for an obvious reason.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This was my usual humorous attempt. Nothing to do with Gujarat and definitely nothing
    to do with Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I don’t know what is the reason that you have stopped visiting this blog. I hope
    everything is OK at your end.

  • Anonymous

    Is democracy worth without liberty, what is democracy, and then once there is democracy what should be the nature of debate etc etc — these are troubling questions all across the globe these days –

    The birth place of democracy is reeling under tensions – euro/unemployment/austerity ..Greece had second elections yesterday; looks like they will have a third election.. They had debate all thru the years, and after second world war when the new Greece was formed with the deposition of the king… Did democracy and debate help them out?

    Sharma talks about the “cerebral” quality of the debate of yester-years.. Who were the parliamentarians then and who are the parliamentarians now? What happened few days ago — few MPs from both treasury and opposition object to a 1949 political cartoon; and Sibil and Pranab stating that all objectionable stuff (including cartoons) will be removed from text books…Is this the debate (and result of the debate) we want?

    Talking about democracy in general, especially after the Jasmine revolution — can Islamists, who let us assume win on majority vote, be true democrats granting liberty to its citizens? What if the elected Islamist parties impose laws that curb individual freedoms – like executing convicts, prescribing a dress code etc – all with popular support?

    What if democracy does not serve liberty?

    What about the populace? Are they really ready for the responsibilities in a democracy?

    The public policy research forum, Freedom House, did a study of people from various countries, measuring the potential of a country/society to foster democratization based on its values, and the degree of democratization granted/available. . Amazingly, Iran ranks higher (6) to India’s (5) on the society’s potential and readiness, although they do not have democracy. So, it is interesting that even after 60 years, our populace has not moved in to the scale of Taiwan (7), Argentina and US (7.5).

    Will a great debate in a lousy system/platform do any good? What should be an ideal platform? Did our constitutional frameworkers (after all the “slow” process as the cartoon depicted) , in their endeavour to solve the worlds problems leave us with a stupid document that is the foundation of all other “democratic” endeavours? .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Our current leaders are cowards, they don’t have any courage to fight back
    against any nonsense like this recent cartoon controversy.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What about the Ramanujan essay on various Ramayans?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are 14 versions of Koran. Why dont you go to Sialkot and fight witht he Paksitnain government that they should teach all the versions in your country.

    The Origins of the Koran:
    Classic Essays on Islam’s Holy Book
    Edited by Ibn Warraq; Prometheus Books, 1998
    Summarised by Sharon Morad, Leeds

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean Muridke or did you mean Tore the Bore

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon… I just wanted your opinion on the 14 versions of koran. You can read a good book and recommend it to all…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Gr8 thoughtfull post. Will respond in detail tomorrow.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Sir Doctor ko apni dawaai bhi leni chahiye.

    There is one vinod Sharma on TV who can be witty, appropriate and good.

    And there is another VIndo Sharma who will try to get BJP and RSS to create a smokescreen to get dynastic succession and cover the massive Congress crruption.

    Vinodji… I think you should read your own blog to change your approach… :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    So Vijay is Vinod Ji among the people whose mind you are targeting to change?

    I can’t work out if this is grand ambition or a grand folly.

    I think I know which, but will keep it to myself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You know what?

    my grandad from Sialkot always said that the biggest problemthere was many many people were “kapatta .” They would take on various garbs like Ravans luring sita out of the laxman Rekha… to create a fight…!

    But then…try as you may…

    I will always disagree with Vindo Sharma on dynastic succession. And maybe even convert him one day…

    And despite our perpetual head on collision for 3 years… well it wont be fisticuffs. But probably drinks across the table..

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    Ravi Reply:

    Walter Mitty has nothing on you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mitty toh mit gaya maati ke mol..
    Jag me reh gaye pyaare thurber ke bol..

    Day dreaming kaun nahi karta… bandhu!!
    but be honest in your dreams…

  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    trevor Phillips has said that people who dont recongnise that the sexual abuse and slavery of underage girls by Pakistanis is all about the cuolture of Paksitan and bad treatment of women by them under the cover of Islam… are Farts!!

    Are you now willign to declare yourself as a **** and move on?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I will let you do that. Trevor Phillips is a Community Relations man and not an expert on Child Abuse.

    The sources I quoted were experts in this field.

    Are you willing to concede that this case provided you with a golden opportunity to vent your anti Islamic spleen (which you did whole sale) and then move on.

    If you do one then I will do the other and we both can move on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Trervor Philips has only provided proof for what we have been saying all along.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ BLOGGING IMPROVES HERE ~~~~
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    So surprised to note that people have taken Vinod Sharma’s message to the heart !

    Imagine 27 postings and trolls have still not got in Modi, rape and RSS to cover their own inadequecies !

    Thank u vinodji!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congratulation for being the first one to start!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have not started it :)

    I have made an honest observation under the influence of Bukhara food…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your observation is like a pro flashing her assets and exclaiming why men are so obsessed with female assets !

    A very honest observation, indeed !

  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ CHIDAMBARAM …. GOING GOING GOING GONE…… !!!! ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    fELLOW BLOGGERS. Shed a tear for Chindambaram. After jaitley tore into him… only the HIndustan times ot NDTV can create spin that Chidambaran is innocent.

    To others it is clear that the adrress es. the balance sheets and account statements of Advantage and Oxbridge clearly point to Chidambaram having a guilty hand !!

    CXhidambaram went into tears.. even evoked his 22 yr old friednship with Jaitley. But clearly he had lost it.

    NOW VINDO SHARMAJI AND PATHAKG. DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT RAHUL GANDHI OR VADRA WILL EVER BE FACE UPTO JAITLEY’S LOGIC. Remember those two innocents have not been able to face a pres conference.

    And will not be able to explain their finances….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My Dear Mr. Vijay Kumar,
    Where is the “substance” in this post ?
    Is it just because you *felt* something ?
    Neither Parliament Nor Judiciary works like that.
    Oh, and BTW, I happen to be a drunk Porn Star – just in case you intend to discredit me for questioning your post. Anything else ? Please feel free to add.
    Will reflect as much on you as on me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    You can see the Chidamabarm vs jaitley debate and draw your conclusions– and if you remain unbiased you will conclude that PC is hiding a lot. His repeated licking of lips, his fumbling, his emotional display– is not that of a clear hearted guy.

    Why did his son give loans to the errant company in case it was a client? Arre bhaiya a client gives you fees. You dont give loans to a client.

    the Common email addresses of Oxbridge and advantage, show how they are one and the same thing.

    I think despite our sdmiration for PC, it is time he faces his own CBI.

    after all he used and misused the CBI to prop up the virtues fo a murderer and axtortinist called sohrabudin…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chidambaram should, if he is honest, face his own CBI and his own ‘GESTAPO’.

    It is also time he resigned and faced the music as an ordinary, ‘law abiding’ citizen.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “…It is also time he resigned and faced the music as an ordinary, ‘law abiding’ citizen…”

    Ohhh! For a moment I thought how lovely it would be for Modi to follow your advice !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another thing – Make sure you point appropriate publicly accessible links to those balance sheets.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chidambaram should give the links. I dont have them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Request COmpany Law Board for details if you do not have them.

    Does your urge to seek truth stops at few drinks and after-drink rambling ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji, your post should have been addressed to Mahesh, who had asked for the links.

    I wonder why you didn’t quote the RTI law!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar said the balance sheet showed that Chidambaram was guilty.

    When asked for details, he saids he didn’t have it.

    Munna ko samjhao. Kabhi toh baat seedha kare !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    as Chidambaram has declared that he is innocent and has proved his innocence inside the parliament by shedding tears, I think you need worry no more about unbalanced balance sheets, which in any case have big holes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    the expression is “guilty heart and itching hands”

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  • Anonymous

    A blogmate was lamenting that there was no M M R R. To fulfill his wish, here is the latest episode.

    In absolving Modi, SIT mixes up Godhra, post-Godhra perpetrators
    Vidya Subramaniam – May 14, 2012.

    Cites five instances where CM promised punishment for train attack as proof of lack of bias

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3419147.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpts

    In its closure report filed in the Zakia Jafri case, the Special Investigation Team appears to have mixed up the Godhra and post-Godhra violence, citing Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s promise to ensure justice in the former case as proof that he could never have asked his officials to allow Hindus to vent their anger against Muslims in the wake of the 2002 Godhra carnage.

    Apart from insisting no official present at the February 27, 2002 meeting where the Chief Minister allegedly gave this instruction corroborated the charge, the R.K. Raghavan-led SIT says there is evidence in the form of the Chief Minister’s public statements made on February 27, 2002 and February 28, 2002, which establish his commitment to punish the guilty and uphold the law. The content of the statements disproves the allegation that he passed any illegal order against Muslims, it says.

    But far from proving that Mr. Modi could not have given the alleged instruction, the speeches the SIT produces are only likely to fuel suspicions about what might have happened at the February 27, 2002 meeting.

    ——–

    The SIT is unable to cite a single speech — or statement — where Mr. Modi warns against retaliatory violence and threatens punishment to anti-Muslim rioters. Admittedly, there was a valid context to Mr. Modi’s sense of outrage immediately following the Godhra carnage, in which 59 train passengers, all Hindus, were killed. Any administrator would vow to bring to justice the perpetrators of a crime so horrendous. However, by all accounts, reprisals had started within hours of the incident, and by the afternoon of February 28, 2002, the violence had turned into a full-blown anti-Muslim pogrom.

    The SIT should have been able to show some evidence that at least after February 28, 2002 — by which time Muslims had been killed and rendered homeless — Mr. Modi sent out a strong message to communal hotheads taking the law into their own hands. But there is no speech where Mr. Modi warns against revenge attacks and threatens exemplary punishment to the rioters

    ——–

    Anyone with an understanding of Hindutva-speak would know the communal context of “paanch aur pachhees.” Indeed, Mr. Modi is not its original author. The “paanch aur pachhees” reference first cropped up in the speeches of Sadhvi Rithambara and Sadhvi Shiva Saraswati who campaigned for the Bharatiya Janata Party in 1996. Said Sadhvi Shiv Saraswati: “Hinduon ke liye, hum do, hamare do, aur Muslamaanon ke liye hum paanch aur hamara pachhees (For Hindus it is we are two, we have two; for Muslims it is we are five, we have twenty-five).”

    ——–

    Read the full report.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In its closure report filed in the Zakia Jafri case, the Special Investigation Team appears to have mixed up the Godhra and post-Godhra violence, citing Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s promise to ensure justice in the former case as proof that he could never have asked his officials to allow Hindus to vent their anger against Muslims in the wake of the 2002 Godhra carnage.

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    I am 1000% sure it was BJP-Neutral Vijay who moonlighted and wrote this part for the SIT !!!

    Nobody but Vijay can only think of such logics, right BJP-Neutral Vijay ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Currently, the journalists are tearing the SIT report apart. Wait and see what the legal-eagles will do to it. Make a bonfire or put it through the shredder?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Both you and Pathak ji are rejoicing at something which I fail to understand. What is that you have found in the SIT report that you find so incriminating against Mr. Modi? Show me the proof – in SIT report or anywhere else and I’d put that to the shredder or make a bonfire out of it. Right here, right now.

    The journalists do what they are best at, i.e. creating spin stories to suit their ….

    Let’s wait and see when the legal-eagles would hide their faces somewhere because they won’t be able to find anything against the CM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Did you not notice that this reporter is referring to
    a speech of Modi which he made in Sep. 2002
    seven months after the riots? According to this
    journalist, on the basis of this speech alone
    Modi should be hanged.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Looks like you missed the point.

    Read the paragraph that I reproduced carefully.

    See how our learned SIT has “deduced” theories.

    You just need to read the paragraph again.

    Carefully.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have read the paragraph again but I haven’t found the same paragraph anywhere in the SIT report of 102 pages. Where is it? Which Page Number?

    Looks the whole paragraph has been cooked up to malign the SIT chief. What was he probing? He was supposed to find out whether ther is any truth in the allegation that Mr. Modi had said – that Hindus should be allowed to vent their anger – in the said meeting at his residence on 27th Feb, 2002.

    Except Mr. Sanjeev Bhatt, nobody heard this. It is as simple as that. He doesn’t need any other statement from Mr. Modi to prove this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Let’s wait and see when the legal-eagles would hide their faces somewhere because they won’t be able to find anything against the CM.

    ——–
    Good luck. However, be prepared for these legal eagles to open a whole of lot of cans of worms. Who knows.

  • Anonymous

    good sleep does nto come without invoking modi modi rape rape.

    In case there is a burning of 58 holy men in a train compartment, what do you expect the CM to say? We will reward the guilty or punish the guilty?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “good sleep does not come without invoking modi modi rape rape”.

    We will keep that in mind and post new episode of M M R R every evening, so that you sleep well every night.

    ————
    “In case there is a burning of 58 holy men in a train compartment, what do you expect the CM to say? We will reward the guilty or punish the guilty”?

    Another real life demonstration of lack of reading plus comprehension skills and how to take a sentence of out of context.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you nfor the kind statements on my lack of ailities.

    Actually my teachers… would be proud of me… after all they taught top lawyers like singhvi… and the Once ambitious Sanjay gandhi and now the chosen Cong PM in waiting, rahul gandhi…..

    Like a pathologist hunts for the soul of the sample… I like to get into the centre of the arguement…

    But I think the basic issue is judging Modi on a scale fit fot gods. Bhaiya he a politician and a good one at that. Riots happened in Mumbai. why are you not spending the ruler on the same scale?

    Or judging rajiv Gandhi who actually made a statement of tree falling and shaking up the earth to justify riots.

    Riots are about ordinary people becoming haiwan… mad. I have seen two very closely. One in 1984 qnd another in 1988 when the Congress opened up the ayodhya site and I was caught in Nai Sarak Delhi.

    So realise first that riots are riots and no amount of Teestas can create one sided lies about them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Another real life instance. This time at obfuscation. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    good reply. The congressi troll wants us to believe that Godhra train burning and the riots that followed the next day are two different things. Perhaps he has his reasons. The train burning was, actually, if we are to believe Justice Banerji (all the congressis do believe him), it was a deiberate act of suicide. The kar sevaks lighted themselves and killed themselves.

    The riots were a different kettle of fish altogether. These were in fact initiated, guided and managed by one man-Narendra Modi. Want proof? What will you do with proof? Is it not sufficient if our media says he is the one?

  • Anonymous

    With Chindambaran tottering what is the face of the Congres now?… on TV…

    MMS has been weakened and destroyed by RahulG and Digvinash G

    Singhvi my senior… and one time acquaintance… has been CD…eed .

    Which just leaves Manish Tewari, Kapil Sibal and

    and

    and

    and

    Vinod Sharma !!.

    Vinodji just watch out for drivers and saprnaka type girls…..
    Radiias and buxom bombs…

    Quotrochchis and Amar Singh Dahlas…

    Who knows…

    Glory may just be round the corner !!

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar-

    Ravi is a closet Pakistani.

    Three statements he made in Zia’s blog over the last two years:

    - “my family was hounded out of Sialkot to Delhi by murderous Hindus” – Ashish picked on this; Ravi got away saying he was drunk when he blogged this.

    - In a response to Islamic terrorism in UK ..”we are forced to do this because the way we are treated in Iraq and Afghanistan”.

    - In a response to Ram Autar/Egrich rantings on multiple Gods , Brahmanism etc in Hinduism – “there is no meaning in you talking about this; they will not convert to our religion, whatever problems they have”

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    Ravi Reply:

    Hello Mr S Singh. Long time no see. Has your sentence child abuse completed or has your family bought you a laptop in prison. I wonder what they had to do by way of a bribe so you could spout lies here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Ravi is a closet Pakistani”.

    So? Therefore?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Raju,

    you are slightly incorrect.

    Only the first comment was made when he was drunk.

    About terrorism, he must have made the comment when he was under the influence of freshly received opium from Afghanistan.

    He is now no more a closet Pakistani. His cover has long been blown away.

    And true to type, he will now demand “proof” from you.

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  • Ravi

    Last night three or my posts appeard for a moment and then after a refresh disappeared again.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like it is all over for you as far as Vinod Sharma’s indulgence with your jihadi posts are concerned.

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  • Anonymous

    FIVE RULES FOR MEN TO FOLLOW TO A HAPPY LIFE:

    1. It’s important to have a woman who helps at home, cooks from time to time, cleans up, and has a job.

    2. It’s important to have a woman who can make you laugh.

    3. It’s important to have a woman who you can trust, and doesn’t lie to you.

    4. It’s important to have a woman who is good in bed, and likes to be with you.

    5. It’s very, very important that these four women do not know each other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Point no. 5 – do you know how to manage this ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    As soon as I find those four women, I will let you know. ;-)

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Managing one woman is a life time appointment with no retirement benefits.

    Therefore, for ease of “operations” and less stress, poits 1,2 and 3 can be combined in one woman and point no.4 can be found in another woman.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wah Manohar.

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  • Anonymous

    What is in the name ?
    Why names in UK/US are like this.

    JACKSON
    WILSON
    MARKSON
    ROBINSON
    KENSON
    ANDERSON
    DAVIDSON
    JEMSON
    NELSON
    JOHNSON
    RICHARDSON

    is it so that mothers can remember who is whose child ?

    Good morning gentlemen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thought provoking.

    BTW:, Is there a surname – Mohanson?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    SON means Kumar in Indian system of naming.

    We too have Paramesan, Venkatesan, Natesan, Viresan etc.

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  • Anonymous

    Let’s look within, says one MP who didn’t join the mob

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lets-look-within-says-one-mp-who-didnt-join-the-mob/949429/0

    National Conference MP from Baramulla Sharifuddin Shariq was the lone dissenting voice in the Lok Sabha today where MPs closed ranks demanding the removal of cartoons of politicians in NCERT textbooks for political science. Not surprisingly, his voice was drowned out. Ironically, not one MP attacked the vandalisation of political scientist Suhas Palshikar’s office in Pune University on Saturday. Palshikar was one of the advisors for the Class XI textbook that contained the 1949 cartoon of Nehru and Ambedkar over which the MPs created an uproar last Friday.

    ————

    Meanwhile, Palshikar and his colleague Yogendra Yadav said today that the government’s reaction “could mean rolling back of the textbook reforms introduced through the National Curriculum Framework. We believe that such momentous decisions concerning our future generations must involve a wider, national debate.”

    “We think that these books offer fairly robust defence of politics in a democratic set up. We were shocked to learn therefore that these books were presented in the Lok Sabha as an attack on politics, politicians and democracy. Nothing can be farther from truth,” the chief advisors said in a statement after today’s discussion in the Lok Sabha.

    ———–

    Brave man indeed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Zero tolerance

    Where are the tall leaders who could put an end to this experiment in censorship?

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/zero-tolerance/949405/0

    The UPA government may have only been true to character when it keeled over at the first hint of political uproar against cartoons in NCERT textbooks. Union HRD Minister Kapil Sibal hurried to withdraw the book with the newly controversial Ambedkar cartoon, without a minimal attempt at debate, and Pranab Mukherjee said that books with cartoons of leaders will be withdrawn and “appropriate action taken against those who indulge in such acts”. But what’s most disturbing is the unanimity with which all political leaders in Parliament agreed — no, competed — to show zero tolerance. The Ambedkar cartoon was just a first flimsy excuse, the entire tradition of political caricature may be under threat. Other anodyne cartoons in the NCERT political science curriculum featuring Jawaharlal Nehru, A.B. Vajpayee and Manmohan Singh are said to have incurred the “strong displeasure” of a section of MPs. Lampooning leaders will now bring heavy consequences. Given that many MPs — from Arun Jaitley to Ram Vilas Paswan — have strong memories of the Emergency, and of defying it, it is indeed sad that they now seem so comfortable simply whiting out material from a textbook. We rely on the good sense of our legislators to uphold free expression, and this inability to see an old cartoon for what it is makes them more laughable than anything dreamt up by a satirist.

    ———–

    Read on

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    AshishC Reply:

    In light of this and many recent instances where our lawmakers have shown scant regards for the “idea that is India”; would you still keep saying Parliament is supreme?
    I am now part of the the increasingly uneasy, vocal minority who feel as if our parliamentarians are like a bus-driver alternating between driving dangerously and sleeping on the job (with a bus-full of people at their mercy). Don’t blame us if we wish to
    1. Sack the driver
    2. Jump off the bus and perhaps walk to our destination- if that is not longer a common destination, so be it.

    Without the parliamentary priivileges (and now the red beacon on their cars), what are our parliamentarians worth? Certainly no respect.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    can I say you have been sleeping and not coming on the blog… as many of us want u around !!!

    Derlicition of blog duties…!

    u, you are right about our MPs. There is a certain psychology playing here. Give for free whatever does not cause them personal effort. Ethics be damned.

    Play to the gallery and give for free…

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    that’s an important point.
    Addressing “roti, kapda, makaan” issues take effort, money and vision. Far easier to censor a few books, arrest a few mild mannered professors and fulminate in parliament.
    This whole appeasement thing gets my goat- if you really think about it, it is so hollow- it is appeasing no one that matter, except for some cynical electoral gains.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Sacking the driver won’t help as another driver who will take his place will not be
    any different from this one.
    Yes, it is high time that we seriously start thinking of jumping off the bus and start
    walking to our destination.
    Hell with these so called supreme members of our so called supreme parliament.

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    AshishC Reply:

    I am in a particularly despairing mood today; I never thought my country, that is India, will fall victim to Mamata-itis. It is truly what Bengal thinks today, other think tomorrow.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Happy to read your post after a long gap.

    I would advise you to give advance notice, rather than be AWOL. This is important for the health of the blog.

    IT should be remembered that when Murli Manohar Joshi was the education minister, the constant secular wail was that he is saffronising education. ANd a wise man, Kapil Sibal was put in charge of the ministry with precise instructions from the Vatican to de-saffronise education in India.

    Therefore, it has come as a big shock to even MPs sympathetic to the secular minister and his supreme leader that he has packed all the advisory bodies, may be with the permission from the palace, with incompetent, corrupt and politically pseudo intellectuals.

    Now, the question that defies answer is:Why should political leaders, all of them, be shown as cartoons, instead of their photos?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Political leaders.. cartoons.. you seem to make a distinction??

    Anonymous Reply:

    First It is great to have you on the blog. You have been sorely missed. Enough of the sabbatical and all that sort of things.

    I will always believe and say – Parliament is supreme. The problem is with us – electing perhaps the worst of the lot to represent us.

    I concede we do not have people like a Nehru, a Sardar Patel, a Maulana Azad, a Ram Manohar Lohia, a H V Kamath, a Malvankar, a M. Ananthasayanam Ayyangar, a Sardar Hukam Singh, a AK Gopalan, a Ambedkar, a Atulya Gosh, etc. who are ready to stick their neck out and get into the hurly burly of the hustings. Not that we do not have them in our midst, but such people for some reason have chosen to be mere by-standers. Would you care to make a conjecture as to why? Has our education system is partly responsible to throw up leaders, who for all purposes are intolerant and bigots.

    Shan a few days had correctly echoed that if there are a large number of ‘mawaalis’ amongst us, chances are that more often than not we would select a ‘mawaali’ with licence to be a ‘bigger mawaali’. Tragic but true.

    If the parliamentarians (not the parliament) are thoroughly disappointing us day in and day out (and disgustingly they are) with no respite in sight – what are the solutions and the alternatives? Any answers?

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    AshishC Reply:

    “Do not demand respect, command it.”
    The message is lost among our MPs.
    People do matter- but institutions matter even more. All those you named; what has been their legacy? If my children grow up to be rascals, would you not blame my parenting?
    We have never been comfortable with the discipline required for working withing the westminster style of democracy. Instead of reinforcing the ideas of free speech, tolerance of ideas inimical to yours and negation of any idea that leads to formation of ghettos- mental or physical- we seem to be working in reverse.
    That said, I honestly believe, that governments headed by Narasimha Rao or Vajpayee would have handled this recent brouhaha much better- it would have been a non-issue. It is our misfortune to be governed by a cipher.
    Solution?? Isn’t it obvious? Vote Congress out; ensure it never ever comes back to power.
    As an aside, what exactly is a Mawali?

    AshishC Reply:

    And, sincere thanks for the warm words of welcome- from you, Shenoy, Mohan, Vijay.. life is really hectic and I doubt I can keep coming back as often as I used to earlier. Will try. But, I will come back once in a while and read you all- Ravi, Mahesh, Vinay et al..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Ravi and Mahesh are around but Vinay
    sirf holi aur diwali mein nazar aata hai.
    Now since you have come back., hopefully we
    will see more of Vinay also.

    Anonymous Reply:

    True. Me misses Vinay too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Life really must be very hectic for you that is why you
    have not noticed what mawali means and who they are.
    We have many mawalis around, some of them are
    : Lallu Prasad, Singhvi, Manish Tiwari, Manishankar
    Ayyar, Mayawati, Kalmadi, Raja, Kapil Sibal Teesta, Sarabai, Saba Naqvi, Zia Huq
    and few media outlets also can be labeled as Mawalis
    like NDTV, Tehelka and to some extent HT and TOI.

    The sad part is that these confirmed Mawalis try to
    label other people as Mawali who are working honestly
    and sincerely for the improvement of the Nation,
    lke Nitish Kumar, Modi, Jaya Lalita , Manohar Parrikar,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    excellent description of who the mawalis are in the Indian context. Hats off to you. Really.

    I would have hesitated to include Zia-ul Haq in the list, to be politically correct. But, you are right. A mawali is a mawali, whether he is a Hindu like Singhvi, a Muslim like Zia or a Hindu-hating atheist, Mani Shankar Aiyar.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have never seen more ‘impartial’ lists than than the two above. Kudos.

    God save India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok I will add Yeddurappa on this
    list.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are very ‘clever’ – you did not specify the list. I will assume it is the second one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First one. I was not
    trying to be clever.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, command respect, not demand it.

    1) Mawaali = Riff-raff, ‘GunDaa’, Hoodlum

    2) They surely left a great a legacy, you cannot blame them after they have gone and we choose to be so and so.

    3) Here is a paradox.

    At the time of first general elections, the literacy rate was around 30% and look at the quality of people sent to the parliament. Today our literacy rate is around 80% and again look at the quality of people in the Parliament.

    4) This intolerance and bigotry was hardly there right to up to the 80s. Then came the 90s and we have not looked back since.

    5) I can only conjecture whether Rao or Vajpayee would have handled it the way it should have been. They may have. We cannot turned the clock back to confirm.

    6) I have no problem with the current dispensation being kicked out – I wish it happens this year itself (I have been advocating for many months). The question remains what is a stable and modernistic alternative? Is there one in sight? Do some crystal gazing. One that can be fulcrum of this alternative is engrossed in shooting itself in the foot every hour of the day.

    Perhaps, we get the government we deserve for the sins we have committed in our previous lives.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish and Manohar,
    Parliamentarians, Institutions are one thing. People exercising their right over them is another thing – and IMO – bigger elephant in the room. Ask yourself , what control you have over your own representatives or institutions other than the once in five years exercise ? The more one looks at it – the more it appears something resembling old feudal order . More than anything else it is this asymmetry of power that is bad. Baaki Sab Toh Byovhaar Hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish & Mahesh

    I agree that for a period of every 5 years – 1 day (voting day), we have no way of micromanaging our representatives. I am at loss as to how that can come about – some way to manage them at more frequent intervals.

    Perhaps even PathakG and others join in to come with ideas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If someone like Anna Hazare appears, he is ridiculed
    and is blamed that he is playing street politics,
    he is asked to stand for election if he is sincere in his
    movement of eradication of corruption.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Nobody had or will have any objections if a ‘Anna Hazare’ appears. All the blame for the ridicule and derision that he has invited upon himself lies solely at his own doorstep. Do not point fingers at others.

    Why other reformers such as Acharya Vinobha Bhave or Baba Amte (just to name two) are held in such high esteem and taken so seriously.

    Whether you agree or not – Anna is not the person to lead any reformist movement or be a public overseer. He has proved beyond doubt that he does not have the wherewithal and a lot of other things to be one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Vinobha and Baba Amte did not challenge the government. Anna and his team had courage to do that. Anna
    may not be the ideal person to lead
    this movement but his efforts did bring
    the serious problem of corruption
    on the forefront. Let us not just dismiss
    his effort, the issue he brought is more
    important then the person himself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    On the ‘forefront’ for short period of time and ended as damp squib in Bombay last December. Did it have any impact where it was desired – in the recent elections. A flat no. Such movements are not one-night-stands. You need to go on for years to make a difference. It is not everyone’s cup of ‘chaai’. We have discussed why he failed, earlier several times and shall not go down that street again.

    Whatever the reformers did is not important, I was talking about how to be effective whatever one has chosen to do.

    Moreover, here you tell me the messenger is not important, the message is. Elsewhere, you say because it is Amir Khan, the message has more chances of getting across. Will the real Mohan stand-up?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    The issue has much less to with managing the elected representatives than the tremendous power they enjoy over us.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashsh;
    welcome back. Very incisively said.

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  • Anonymous

    Winston Churchill had said ‘ A lie reaches half way around the world before the truth gets
    chance to put its pants on ‘
    People like Teestas and Sarabais lies have reached half way around the world, but now
    truth has put its pants on and we will see that truth will slowly and surely over shadow the
    lies perpetrated by these people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    when innocent looking ladies like Medha Patkar, harassed-by-Muslim-husband ladies like Teesta Setalvad and glamour-oozing females like Arundhati trumpet falsehood, bleeding-heart men round the world take their word as gospel truth.

    These bleeding hearts also open their cheque books.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said Shenoy Saab

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    Fact Reply:

    Another one in this category is distinguished-looking pseudo historian Romila Thapar. Her untruths are gulped wholesale by the gullible. Exposed 2G scam lier Barkha Dutt carries on regardless as if butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Romila Thapar, I agree, is as obnoxious as the rest of these ‘eminent’ ladies. But, she has less visiblity than these ‘eminent’ ladies.

  • Anonymous

    Satyamev Jayate’s Ardh Satya

    Aamir Khan’s ‘truths’ on sex-selective abortion showcased mothers who fought the practice but he missed the point that reproductive decisions are rarely made by women

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3409175.ece

    Excerpts

    For one, Aamir Khan has taken a huge leap from raising awareness to being expert, interlocutor and activist all rolled into one. The show goes beyond talk show journalism, which at least pretends to allow different shades of opinion to argue, disagree (and the better shows do not attempt a final resolution). This show is unabashed ‘truth-telling’ — Satyamev Jayate — and is structured to appropriate for its lead star the power of being the truth-fountain. The concern is that he presents both a populist and one-dimensional truth’ on an enormously complex social issue with a dangerous authority that only his kind of stardom can muster.

    ———–

    Then the language — ‘female foeticide’, ‘killing of girls,’ ‘murder in the womb’ — dents not the practice of sex selection but women’s reproductive rights by stigmatising all abortion. After all, the very act of abortion is a ‘foeticide.’ Scores of women’s rights groups have been battling this regressive language, preferring the more accurate descriptor ‘sex selection.’ Research should have told the show’s producers about the Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act, 1971, which gives Indian women (some) legal rights to access safe abortion. Yet, abortion services are dismal, and lakhs of desperate women undergo perfectly legitimate, non-sex selective abortions in unsafe backrooms. Some bleed to death in the process. Even as we seek to urgently end sex selective abortions, we need to simultaneously ensure that we do not create an environment that compromises our commitment to expanding safe, legal abortion services for all women.

    ———-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    I have similar feeling about Amir Khan’s Child Sex abuse episode.
    First, Mr. Khan appeared to premise the episode on assumption that people are un-aware of Child Sex abuse , which happens to be a rather weak assumption.
    Second, Mr. Khan chose to restrict anecdotes to abuse occurring within family, relations, acquintances et al. Fine , one would say. The aspect shoved under the carpet is inability of parents of child victim in confronting perpetrators. Mr. Khan did a small “workshop” for the children in this episode. He could’ve done something similar for parents – especially mothers – for being assertive at the hint of such behavior from perpetrator.
    Third, Not a word about victims in the realm of child labour.
    And yes – the frequent wiping off the tears does appear more of self congratulatory than anything else.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    With due respect to your opinion, are we not expecting too much
    from Aamir Khan? In hindsight anybody can say that he should have
    done something differently or he should have taken up this and that
    issue also. Why cant’t we just appreciate his sincere effort at whatever
    he is doing. I believe that his programs will have some effect on
    the way people think.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    It is not a question about sincerity. It is about adding rigour to the show. Mr. Khan appears to be caught in the classic conflict of maximising the audience versus making the content more in-depth. IMHO, he appears to have erred on the emotive side . Maybe , these are a naive person’s naive thoughts. Maybe….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Don’t you think that emotional awakening of the people
    will have more effect on them then watching or listening
    to a dry speech?

    Anonymous Reply:

    good point Mohan

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Gopi,

    I would urge both of you to understand Mahesh.

    His response to Satyameva jayate is psychological. He still suffers from having been at the receiving end of Amir Khan’s boyhood pranks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Amir had, in his audience, most if not all, of whom are the educated, upper-crust of our society. ANd what was the reply to his question on their estimates of child sex abuse in India? Most said ‘a maximum of 10%’. The rest seemed to agree.

    Actually, this is THE STATISTICAL TRUTH’.

    Most Indians, like those in his audience, simply do not recognise the existence of the problem.

    Therefore, you are being too judgemental in declaring that it is a weak assumption.

    Many people with whom I have interacted after the telecast, have said that it came as a shock ( the statistics), it was informative and educative as well.

    As a high-brow, you may choose to rubbish Mr.Khan.

    For heaven’s sake please don’t. Or else, keep quiet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Have we ever discussed any TV program on this blog?
    The fact that we are discussing means that this program
    is having some impact on most of us .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely.

    And then Shenoy and I agreeing on a common even/issue/programme ! The programme must be something !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    ANd Pathakji, I agree with you even on this point.

    I only want people to understand the tremendous potential and possibilities this show holds for the hapless people of our country and even beyond.

    The country as a whole has now accepted that the problem of child sexual abuse exists. Now it also accepts that the problem is BIG.

    This is a huge gain for parents, teachers, doctors, sociaologists, psychologists etc.

    Let us move ahead from here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    What you are pointing to is the audience’s awareness about the extent of spread and not the existence of problem itself.
    As for the episode being educative – please feel free to spend some time watching “Age Of Uncertainty” on youtube , or even Nat Geo’s “Seconds from Disaster” as comparison.
    As for me rubbishing Mr. Khan – you are actually correct. As my school senior he often stole my lunch-box, am still carrying that grudge. Guess, that explains my behavior.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    There is a huge difference in the number of people
    watching the programs which you have mentioned
    and Aamir Khan’s program. IMO The super star
    status of Aamir will have more effect on the audience
    than the ‘dry’ programs which you have suggested.
    Comparing to Satyameve the substance in program
    like Age of Uncertainty will be more but Aamir’s
    program will have more effect because of his popularity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    If you notice Seconds from Disaster or Air Crash Investigation series does much better job in spreading awareness using dramatisation. These are not exactly dry series.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Amir has managed to bring this topic to our drawing room. Somehow he has managed to get the Nation’s attention.Perhaps, 30 years of sex education could not bring in that comfort factor amongst both parents and children what he managed to achieve in just 1 hour.

    Trust me, this episode is going to create a huge positive impact amongst children Both parents and children will open up to each other on this subject.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    We have a bit of hind sight here. Let us compare with “Taare Jameen Par” – that brought the issue of dyslexic kids. Despite being a long movie (incidentally – my issue with this movie is the message could’ve come out much sharper) and something that has been repeatedly telecast , where – in your opinion – does the support system those suffering from dyslexia stand ?
    Remember, Satymajev Jayate has chosen to highlight one topic every week for one hour. Its chances to spread awareness get even slimmer. While you see increased awareness – I see squandered opportunity to do even better. Much better, actually.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Yersterday I had given you the link
    of Aamir Khan’s interviews. In which
    he says ” I will come to your house
    and have a tea with you, but do not
    expect me to stay there for ever.
    I am not a 24/7 social activist.”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Mahesh,

    down the ages, India has seen many social reformers who gave their life to the problems of socially disadvantaged and the down-trodden.

    Have those problems disappeared? No.

    Have the reforms made any dent in the problems?

    An emphatic ‘YES’.

    Amir, I am sure, will move Indian society of 1.2 billion by a centimetre and that will be a huge gain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agreed.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes. Read that. But then one doesn’t need to be activist to make the topic informative.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know few parents who couldn’t deal with life when they realised their children were suffering from dyslexia. They squandered many years just worrying why it had to happen to them. Many counselling sessions didn’t help much.

    The movie Tare Zameen Par did the magic.

    After watching the movie, not only the parents, but even the children were okay with the problem. Now even the children are trying to be “somebody” in their own right.

    Satyamev Jayate gets ‘undivided attention’s for one hour. From communication point of view, the episodes are designed and produced beautifully to make the message hit well. In a limited space one could do so much only.

    Don’t worry about what Amir missed out. See what he delivered. He has created much more awareness with great impact than many documentories, newspaper and magazine articles, radio programmes, candle light processions, fasting or speeches in Parliament could ever achieve.

    And was it non-invasive? You bet it was!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    you are one hell of a lucky guy to have fed Amir Khan, even if by stealthy default.

    I accept that even on the specific subject of child sexual abuse, there may be much better serials/films or documentaries.

    But, going by the twittering class’s comments on Twitter and Face Book, the show is a run away success.

    More than the success, it has set the nation on the thinking mode.

    And I believe Amir’s tears were genuine, and not a “rehearsed spontaneity” for the camera. When three members of my family were watching it, all the three had moist eyes. AND we are not actors in any sense of the word.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    “you are one hell of a lucky guy to have fed Amir Khan, even if by stealthy default.”
    Nice one.
    I know the show is popular. And yet it could do better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    I am not into watching his series and have no intention to do so for various reasons – TV viewing is not priority, etc.etc.

    Those who have watched the two telecasts – can answer the questions

    1) Whether he has bit more than he can chew?
    2) Has he made it too simplistic for easy / commercial viewing?

    Melodramatically wiping off the tears at frequent intervals ( that must be the additional reason I will not be watching it ) is not going to solve the problems, but perhaps only raise the TRPs.
    Damn it, this is no crying matter.

    The litmus test would be whether more cases would come out in the public domain.

    There must be a very large number of cases where child is subjected to sex-abuse and also made to labour his innocence off. A double whammy for the poor helpless souls.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He was focused only on the child sexual abuse.

    Amir Khan is not a social reformer or a bureaucrat/minister — may be he has done million times more than a “supreme parliamentarian” for this cause..
    criticize on the directorial/technical/and other aspect of his production, but not the fullness of the content, intent etc

    If one is saved that much better.

    However, I am of the opinion, not grounded on any statistics, that the child sex abuse, while there, is not as large a problem as the show/some here on this blog indicates. Child labour is.

    Years ago there was a hoopla that half of India will die of AIDS (or some ridiculous number like that).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Amir Khan is not a social reformer or a bureaucrat/minister — may be he has done million times more than a “supreme parliamentarian” for this cause..
    criticize on the directorial/technical/and other aspect of his production, but not the fullness of the content, intent etc”

    I am surprised you have objection about somebody pointing out issues with contents. Why could it be so ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not have any issue with pointing to content’s inaccuracies.

    Your content was that the content was not “full”.. and he does not have any obligation to cover everything under the sun under ” child Abuse”. He said he was covering child sexual abuse, and he covered it well.

    Now if you ask me what is more important or worse – child abuse (ie labour, illiteracy etc) or child sexual abuse, my answer will be child abuse, not based on concrete statistical data, but based on perception – which may be totally wrong too

    Anonymous Reply:

    First – to a certain extent doesn’t incompleteness make the content inaccurate ?
    Second, my contention even within the scope of presented content has been about glossing over certain aspects (Notice the point about educating mothers ?) .
    Third, if your argument is the compelteness or extent to which the topic can be covered is a subjective judgement – I will go by it.
    On the contrary if your argument is – nobody has right to question the content just because somebody is “doing good” , then we are way too divergent in viewpoints.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “However, I am of the opinion, not grounded on any statistics, that the child sex abuse ………..”

    We will not know for sure. Perhaps, the majority of the cases are not reported due to the stigma attached. The family and especially the abused will invite derision and ridicule, in addition to the internal scars. The society is not at all sympathetic to the helpless citizens of the world.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Then, should we go after imaginary (well, whatever the word is) issues when there are thousands of equally bad known issues…

    May be a big problem with us (govt) is that they want to solve all issues, and do not solve anything. May be a prioritization and execution scheme should be established.

  • Anonymous

    It is going to be a bad day at the office on this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    why

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It already is. Just look around.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If I had such premonition, I would take a day off and start early ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ab aadat si ho gayi hai.

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  • Anonymous

    Looking over the fence

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsRahulSharma/Looking-over-the-fence/Article1-855714.aspx

    Praise has a funny way of coming from strange, unexpected quarters. Adolf Hitler, while issuing the order to halt operations at Dunkirk on May 24, 1940 — where he could have captured the British army but mysteriously chose not to — was quoted by German general Günther Blumentritt as saying that “the existence of the British Empire was necessary for Britain’s existence, and of the civilisation that Britain had brought into the world”. Hitler had apparently shrugged his shoulders saying that the creation of the British Empire had been “achieved by means that were often harsh” but, like the Catholic Church, it was an “essential element of stability in the world”.

    ————–

    But lest we forget — considering BSY himself has forgotten — the former Karnataka CM, who thought he’d return to his seat after ‘appointing’ DV Sadananda Gowda’s bottom to keep the chair warm, isn’t just an innocent victim of rogues playing a dirty factional game. BSY obviously has his fair share of non-well-wishers within the BJP. But for the man to post himself as a martyr is like Ravana whining about Vibhishana and choosing to forget that he may be paying for something rotten he had done.

    ———–

    Last November when the BJP’s LK Advani and the Shiv Sena’s Uddhav Thackeray praised Mamata Banerjee for her “courage” in opposing the UPA government’s plans to raise petrol prices, the West Bengal chief minister’s stock didn’t rise because of admirers from the ‘enemy camp’. What it did was underline the Trinamool Congress chief being used as a battering ram against the UPA by those don’t have the wherewithal to be a responsible, viable opposition.

    Yeddyurappa’s ‘praise’ also comes from the same domain. The Congress would be sillier than it seems to treat it as a brand endorsement of its ‘loyalty scheme’.

    —————

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  • Anonymous

    Pathakji,

    you said, “Your observation is like a pro flashing her assets and then exclaiming why men are so obsessed with the female assets !
    A very honest observation, indeed!”

    There are some “ladies” who expose 90% of their “jism” and when men oggle at the unexposed 10% scream rape.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    And if we don’t look at them, they will say ‘ lagta hai yeh saala naamard hai’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If I know you well, you are a great respector of women’s ‘feelings’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They wonder why men are so particular about that tiny 10% !

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  • Anonymous

    Raja gets bail. Have we seen the end of 2G case ? Everyone is out on bail
    and in few months everything will be forgotten.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Spectrum Raja is out on bail
    looks all for nothing he went to jail
    Soon he will, to foreign lands set sail
    Can we do anything except wail?

    Raja says, ‘to be out of jail is great relief’.
    ‘I am vindicated’ is Karunanidhi’s belief
    Not to visit TN is, to him, the court’s brief
    The judgement is only Swamy’s private grief.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with Mohan..nobody will get punished..neither Raja, nor kanimozhi nor the bureaucrats

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Good one.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, they have recall elections in the west, in some countries.

    I have been looking into Calphates; actually it was a good system

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    In a huge country like India – 700 million voters – recalling representatives is totally unworkable. It can work at panchayat level at most. So let us delegate more power to the lower level governing bodies.

    I would be interested to know how many countries today have this system of recall and out of them how many actually have taken recourse to recall naughty boys and girls back from their parliaments.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do not know which all countries,and at what levels..

    There are several ways some control could be built in – for example, a shorter duration, term limit etc.

    I believe the US equivalent of Lok Sabha term is 2 years

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe a shorter duration – say 3 years can be an option – worth a look.

    ———
    Recall of elected representatives. (here is something I was able to get hold of). One country and one province in Canada. The province it seems has given up.

    I told you it is unworkable.

    Notice
    1) the grounds of recall, it may be so difficult to prove. By whom?

    2) Getting and verifying 40% of the registered voters to order a reelection – now that will be some task and the costs involved.

    I am not even talking about the litigation that may arise.

    ————–
    The belief that an election held once every few years is insufficient for representatives to be genuinely accountable to their electorates lies behind proposals to give citizens the power to recall in mid-term those they have elected. Two jurisdictions where such a measure is in force are Uganda and the province of British Columbia in Canada.

    In Uganda (article 84 of the Constitution) a member of parliament may be recalled from office on any of the following grounds:

    - physical or mental incapacity rendering that member incapable of performing the functions of the office; or
    - misconduct or misbehaviour likely to bring hatred, ridicule, contempt or disrepute to the office; or
    - persistent deserting of the electorate without reasonable cause.

    The mechanism requires a petition signed by at least two-thirds of the registered voters of the constituency or designated social group from which the member was elected. The decision on the validity of the petition (and consequent forfeiture of mandate) is determined by the Electoral Commission after a full public enquiry.

    In British Columbia there is no specification of the grounds for a possible recall, and the mechanism differs from Uganda’s in that signatures are required from 40% of the registered voters in a constituency, after which a by-election has to be held. With as many as nine recall petitions initiated in a single one-year period of the 2001 Assembly (though none was eventually successful), there is concern at the potential overuse of this right, and at the expense of time and money involved, especially as the signatures have to be officially checked for their validity. This may well be a reason why such right of recall has not been more widely adopted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did some research too. Some states in US has recall elections – Arnold Swazenerger came through a recall in California. There is a recall reeelection going to happen in June next month in the state of Wisconsin to recall Scott Walker, the governor of that state.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps, that must be only applicable to the Governors and not to the Congressmen and Senators.

  • Anonymous

    CBI finds 25 or so cartons containing rupee bills worth Rs 30 crores in actor /politician Chiranjivi’s house.

    Hew was/is a big actor in telugu; but after paying for the lavish life style and the “non black” investments, no way he can amass this from his movie life.

    Then the big question is how he was able to make this much from such a short spell in local (not even regional) few districts Andhra politics?

    Does it have anything to do with his party’ merger with congress?

    And I thought keeping rupee notes under the bed or in boxes was too “old” way of storing money! here he has 26 boxes! (he may have more; they found only 26 boxes)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He is a firm believer in ‘mergers & Acquisitions’.

    He merged his party with the congress and he acquired cash as a fair price.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    This is really very good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It has to be … I just cannot comprehend these..

    May be the political leaders who give all away are things of the past — EMS Namboodiripad, AK Gopalan, king of Travancore (he could have easily used the $1 trillion), Nehru, Narasimha Rao, Mahathmaji etc etc and many unknowns who gave for a cause, for a party and did not take away

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jagan Reddy de-merged… and discovered that the cash made by POP as Congress CM– about 20,000 crores… which was halal as long as he was in COnress had now become Haraam :)

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  • Anonymous

    This is specially for Mahesh, Mohan, Gopi, Vijay Kumar and not the least to Sir pathak (a.k.a. Sir Patrick, on HMS)

    “The show’s popularity seems to be capturing Madhya Pradesh the most which is driving the most number of searches followed by Rajasthan at number two and Gujarat at the third spot.”

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/satyamev-jayate-grows-more-popular-than-aamir-khan/949583/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is good. All those states have pretty bad record in terms of female infanticide.. although MP is not that bad (contrary to perceptions!)

    I am surprised about the lack of “hits” from real bad areas – Delhi, Haryana, Punjab, Kashmir.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajasthan Congress Minster is already campaigning against Amir Khan for presurising them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where did you read this??? If so, there should be a janmorcha against him!

    Anonymous Reply:

    No social work, Aamir Khan making money from Satyamev Jayate: Rajasthan Minister

    le Photo
    Rasthan Health Minister Dr Rajkumar Sharma lashed out at actor Aamir Khan for his campaign against female foeticide through his maiden TV venture Satyamev Jayate.

    In a statement, the State Health Minister accused Aamir Khan for sensitizing the female foeticide issue for just monetary gain and publicity.

    __IBN, Sahara, all over the net… read it !

    Anonymous Reply:

    This Rajkumar Sharma is useless. So he is now attacking the messenger….

  • Anonymous

    From “Hindu” on he cartoon debate…

    “Sibal promised that the government will order an inquiry against the NCERT officials for including this offending (? –question mark mine) cartoon…”
    “the house saw an one hour discussion on the issue in zero hour…they alleged that an all out conspiracy was on to project politicians in poor light, be it media or bollywood”

    WHAT A COUNTRY!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The result will be no educationist and scholars(*) will be ready to come forward to assist the government in formulating policies and develop course materials, etc. in the field of education. Why stick your neck out?

    Education is too serious a matter to be left to the politicians (version : 2012).

    * The very same people who should be responsible for educating and training our future generations.

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  • Anonymous

    I have tried to simplify the Aircel-Maxis-Chidambaram-Karti issue below (couldn’t make it any shorter or easier). I have used Mr. Swamy’s article published in organiser as the source. This makes an interesting read. The direct involvement of Karti (HM’s son) is not easy to prove, however, something fishy can definitely be sensed.
    ———–

    In 2005 after getting a spectrum licence, the Indian owner of Aircel, Sivasankaran was short of funds, he put it out that he was looking for foreign direct investment. Maxis (a Malaysian Firm) approached him incognito through the Standard Chartered Bank. Maran misused his office to arm twist Sivasankaran to sell all his shares in Aircel to Maxis in January 2006 – that’s a different story and being investigated by CBI already. Sivasankaran agreed to sell.

    But there was a problem. FDI Rules require an Indian partner to hold at least 26 per cent of the equity for the deal to be okayed by the Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB). Three months earlier till January 2006, it was at least 51 per cent, i.e., Indian to be majority partner. Maran got that changed to just 26 per cent and the Indian partner to be in minority. But Maxis owner TAK (Malaysia born citizen – T Anantha Krishnan) would have none of that. He wanted Aircel to be a wholly owned company of his. That was against the FDI rules. So Maran was in a fix. His brother and owner of Sun TV Kalanidhi was promised Rs 800 crores bounty for his media venture by TAK, and he was salivating furiously.

    Enter P Chidambaran. As Finance Minister, he was the ex-officio Chairman of the FIPB. Chidambaram advised Maran to devise a trick: Form a Joint Venture with a young ambitious entrepreneur, all expenses paid. Thus they found Sunita Reddy, part owner of Apollo Hospital.
    Thus Deccan Ventures came into being, but it was joint only in name. By using a financial derivative, Maxis owned all of it. With the money thus put in, Deccan purchased 26 per cent of Aircel. TAK declared proudly to Malaysian Stock Exchange and to his company shareholders’ meeting that he had bought 99.3 per cent of Aircel equity (0.7 per cent still left with Sivasankaran) and thus Aircel became a wholly owned company of Maxis.

    But TAK filed for permission with FIPB as a 74 per cent owner and got it cleared in March 2006. But there was a catch. Chidambaram did not like it that Maran had de-camped with the bribe loot. So the March 2006 FIPB clearance was not made in the name of Global Communications, a wholly owned company of Maxis, but in the name of some US company. Then Chidambaram sat on the file while TAK sweated with the thought of being so near yet so far.

    Enter son Karti. Through a maze of cross holdings, he acquired at least 5 per cent of the Aircel shares before father PC re-convenes the FIPB in October 2006, and delete the name of the US company and put TAK company as the 74 per cent owner of Aircel equity.

    So what is criminal offence? The biggest is the bogus FIPB clearance. P Chidambaram has committed offence of criminal misconduct under Section 13(1)(d)(iii) of the Prevention of Corruption Act which entails a seven year jail term for Maran, Karti, and may be Sivasankaran too under sub-Section (ii) read with IPC 120A&B. The Supreme Court has been apprised by Mr. Subramaniam Swamy on May 10, and the matter will be heard after the vacations on July 17.

    ——–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar ..if the investigative agencies do their job with sincerity , it shall be possible to prove the involvement of Chidamabaram’s son . But then as Swamy says the trail may lead further up …from the son to a son-in law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Arre kya yeh wahi mysterious son in law hai?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, Mr. Chidambaram is already getting nervous and getting entangled in a maze of his own making. Its a shame that we have only got Mr. Swamy to pursue cases like these on his own – the CBI urgently needs to be made independent so that they are able to freely investigate the higher ups in the govt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have just heard that Chidambaram is getting tele-lessons in dramabaazi from his newly found friend, Yeddyurappa.

    (His application for admission into the party, whose president protects all party leaders, howevercorrupt they may be, is lying on Sonia Gandhi’s table)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one – typical Shenoy!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope for a change Swamy comes up with concrete proof — the country is tired of his baseless insinuations about “Raoul Vinci” and Italian citizenship etc.

    He is an eminent lawyer; he knows a problem when he sees one — he can go straight to court without talking about this finance and that finance.

    Robberji (and Rahul), I am sure (based on what I see and hear) have their hands in this too, but it has to be brought out..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Swamy is in great danger of being put to target practice.

    He should immediately seek additional body guards.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and then to the biggest robber of them all………

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If it is not clear enough, one may also check this on the link below:

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-explained-controversy-over-chidambaram-aircel-maxis/20120515.htm

    Rediff has taken over 6 pages to explain this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    I have a tough time to believe that PC will do something for money – but children are parents’ weakness (except in the case of Mahathmaji), so who knows..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    as the wise man of the blog, you must know that there are many Dhritarashtras in our modern day Mahabharat.

    The only difference is these modern son-loving fathers have their eyes wide open.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    A good one!

    Dhritharashtra who is not blind — just imagine, then he would have been the King, and he with his bad son, what all they could have done…It is a deadly combination!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes, children are parents’ weakness, and some children knowing
    this fact take advantage of their parents.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    You have provided very good information. Let us see whether Mr. Swamy alone
    is able to implicate PC or his son with whatever proof he has.

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  • Anonymous

    Fourty-seven days have passed and we do not know who was responsible for the leak. There has to be leakage somewhere…The government should tell who is responsible for it…The prime minister should reply,” Balbir Punj of the BJP said in the Rajya Sabha.
    That the govt is only hoodwinking is amply clear from the fact that they asked the IB to investigate. IB does not have the powers to investigate a crime… summon witnesses and documents , collect evidence and register a case for prosecution. The leakage of the letter is a contravention of the Official Secrets Act , and the right Agency to investigate and prosecute would be the CBI or the Delhi Police after registering the case.

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  • Anonymous

    CAG castigates Dept of Space on Antrix-Devas deal

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/CAG-castigates-Dept-of-Space-on-Antrix-Devas-deal/Article1-856141.aspx

    The CAG has come down heavily on the Department of Space, particularly on its former Secretary G Madhavan Nair, in the controversial Antrix-Devas deal alleging numerous rules and policies were violated and facts concealed to favour a private company. “The Antrix-Devas deal is a classic
    instance of failure of the governance structure in which selected individuals, some serving and some retired public servants, were able to successfully propel the agenda of a private entity by arrogating unto themselves, powers which they were not legitimately authorised to exercise,” the CAG report said.

    ———–

    On the role of Nair, the report said as Chairman ISRO he appointed the Shankara Committee to examine the proposals of M/s Forge Advisors and as Secretary, DoS, Nair submitted a note to the Union Cabinet in which critical facts were concealed.

    ———–

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    ‘Kali-Ma’ beer row rocks Parliament, MPs demand US apology

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/KaliMa-beer-row-rocks-Parliament-MPs-demand-US-apology/949635/

    Strongly objecting to a US company launching a beer brand named after Goddess Kali, a demand was made in Rajya Sabha today that US Ambassador to India should be summoned and asked to apologise for it.

    Raising the issue during Zero Hour, Ravi Shankar Prasad (BJP) said it is a serious and sensitive issue that a Portland-based company Burnside Brewing has launched a product titled Kali-Ma beer, hurting the sentiments of Indians.
    ——————–

    As BJP and other members supported the issue, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Rajeev Shukla intervened saying, “I will convey the concerns to External Affairs Ministry.

    “…but I would like to point out that some years back when I had raised the issue of a store in US having pictures of Ganesha on slippers and you (Ravi Shankar Prasad) were sitting in my place, no step was taken.”

    ——————–

    Will apology be enough or will MPS demand that the product be withdrawn?
    He forgot to specify which Indians and how many?
    Yes, Ravi Shankar Prasad forgot about the Ganesha on slippers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The slippers were eventually withdrawn with apology letter from the manufacturers…

    http://www.ivarta.com/cause/C18_AE_Ganesha.htm

    ——

    This one gone for a six. Next ball, please!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar, you are a spoiler, yaar.

    You have ruined a good night’s sleep for the congressi troll. Not because the beer or the chappal or the toilet seat were withdrawn. But because you have shown that Hindus in the US or UK can and do have so much power to force some of these companies to stop the offending products, unlike this spineless government which has allowed some postage-stamp sized countries in Europe to visit our north eastern states without proper permission!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am always open to correction. No issues. I do not consider myself infallible. I was not even aware of the slipper controversy till I read the news item. You will have to wait for the next ball. ;-)

    I will not make an issue of many previous deliveries, which you have chosen to duck.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By the way, the beer in question is also being re-named…

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/us-brewer-sorry-says-it-s-renaming-kali-ma-beer_775507.html

    “In response to pleas from the Hindu community we have decided to postpone the limited release of ‘Kali-ma’ our imperial wheat ale flavoured with Indian spices and Scotch-Bonnet peppers,” the company said in a statement on its Facebook page.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I would say they made another marketing mitake (in addition to naming it Maa kali)..

    they should have said “in response to pleas from the Indian community (or just citizenry of India) ” instead of “Hindu community”

    This company is not going to go anywhere..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The best way out for this company would be to re-position the letters and name it MALIK.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Why would any one wanting to sell beer in India name it Kaali-Maa brand?
    It is plain stupid, they should fire their marketing chief

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    by the way, Shukla, the palace servant, is wrong in that the company marketing the chappals with Ganesha’s picture placed such that one would have to place one’s foot on the picture, withdrew the offending brand, under pressure from the Indian government and also from the Indian community in the US.

    The same thing happened when another company in the UK had Lakshmi painted on its brand of toilet seats. The company was forced to stop the product.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    AFAIK, they were not planning to sell it in India. Ishwar says they have withdrawn the brand.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, Viju, Mohan, Mahesh, Iswar, Dr Shantanu, Ashish, Shenoy

    Regarding systems of government, political/economic structures (democracy, other forms etc) – I have been reading about the American economist, entrepreneur, professor, thought leader, activist Dr Paul Romer.

    He has some real appealing ideas, such as “Charter City”, Endogeneous Growth Theory” etc.

    At a basic level, Charter city is a holistic brand new “city”/systems starting from scratch in an environment saddled with ineffective laws, corruption, crime etc etc.. Economic zones founded on the land of poor countries but governed with the political and legal systems of, often, rich advanced “nations of law”.

    Honduras is experimenting with this by creating a separately ruled special development region.

    he believes multiple Hong Kong, Singapore etc can be developed within large countries in private/public partnership, and after some years, other “states” “cities” will on their own want to be like these, and at the end of the day a better system of govt will result.

    Shri Modi at one time talked about building multiple Dubais in Gujrat – I do not know whether he was talking based on Dr Paul Romer’s theory or not.

    Dr Romer is the one who coined the sentence “A crisis is a terrible thing to waste”

    Of course, there will be cries of new colonialism etc from countries like India and African countries. I would say it is worth trying in Kolkotta or in UP or anywhere else in India.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_romer.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Too idealistic. too expensive, too impractical and too unworkable in India.

    Disclaimer: I have never been an optimist in my life. Accepting any change to the status quo doesn’t come easy to me either.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    why too expensive –(not tax payer money).. Why unworkable if done in one area/city .. may be a broader/larger/different concept like SEPZ with different rules, systems — a sort of city/region BOT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Will read it later tonight and then comment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Our Parliamentarian will have to think out of the box to implement such
    ideas. I think they are very happy with the current system which allows them to cheat, loot and get away. They would like to maintain the status quo.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I see only something like this changing people – otherwise politicians and bureaucrats will continue to play their games.. I hope Mamta will read this and try this out on an experimental basis in kolkotta

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mamta and this model!

    You don’t know our Mamata Bannerjee. Ask Ashish.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Interesting concept! Would like to know more about it.

    Gopi, the problem with modern economics is that it is all about producing more and more with less and less people. Now how this will ever be solved…. I WONDER !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Romer is not talking about production, but about building a rich, CIVIC society in a problem -ridden place.

    Read about him/his ideas — You will like. I feel it is worth trying in Kolkotta, or in UP or Bihar for a jump start and transformation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Well. Nothing earth shattering. Similar experiments have been carried out even in India, but the rules of the game are the same.

    In the 50s, new townships/cities did come up – some examples
    1) Chandigarh as the new capital of Punjab
    2) Rourkela for a steel plant.
    3) Sindri for a fertilizer factory
    4) Nangal for Bhakra Nangal dam
    5) Amul Cooperative in Anand district.

    States also did set up industrial zones, which naturally would have a townships attached to it or an existing small village or a town, which saw rapid expansion. The rules were the same though.

    I would put forward my plan once more – a cluster of villages to be a unit, empower them. First let water security be established and basic infrastructure, then leave it to the people to transform their lives. No need for sops from ‘maai-baap sarkaar’. There are examples galore all over the country.

    Filter down the governance to the people and let the central government only take care of certain key functions – defence, foreign affairs, etc. Less ministers and bureaucracy at the central and state levels.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    This is different from all those examples… It is “outside” the country’s existing laws and processes; a brand new one, a ka build a Singapore or Honng Kong within :

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not sure full decentralization will work successfully. It will give birth to many Raja Bhaiyas.

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  • Ravi

    My school’s motto was Styamave Jayate, it was emblazoned bright yellow colour on our blazers.

    Over this working day I read all the contributions made by fellow blogers here. This is my contribution.

    TV Programme.

    Lest we forget the PRIME objective of Amir Khan was to make a Television Programme. That at once is a boon as well as a curse. The dictats of making a TV programme, which is at once informative, engaging, balanced and exciting do not go away simple because the subject matter is serious and sensitive.

    It was possible for Amir to have chosen a “head & Shoulder” expert presenter who would have traversed through mountains of literature, which is available on this subject. He would have achieved, seriousness, perhaps greater depth but would have lost most, if not all, of his audience.

    His choice of the format is therefore, inspiring and its execution mould breaking, that is certainly true in the context of India.

    I feel as if novelty is beginning to wear and cynicism has started to creep in. Which is almost inevitable, my feeling is that the pendulum will swing back and would settle some where between enthusiasm and reality. I wish the programme well.

    Amir Khan

    Has a record in tackling difficult and sensitive issues often laced with dark humour, Tare Zameen Par and Pipli Live are just two examples, which I am able to quote from the top of my head. So why not another film or even a series of films. Film as a medium requires a linear often dramatic narrative (though not always) to sustain an audience’s attention. A film on each of the subjects would have been dramatic yet less impact-full, simply because the audience would have dismissed it as a piece of “sermon loaded” fiction, but still only a fiction. A talk show on the other hand allows some – if not all – depth and inclusion of case studies (sometimes dramatised), expert opinions and discussion to move deeper from knowledge to analysis via understanding. In my opinion, despite the limitations of the medium (TV) and the format (a Talk-Show), Amir managed to achieve his objectives. To expose a taboo subject in a delicate and mostly non-judgemental style (though it is impossible to not be judgemental on a subject such as Child Abuse) is no mean achievement. A BAFTA would not surprise me.

    Bitter TEARS of Petra Von Kant

    Not so long ago I wrote here that in a packed commuter train (I claim dole in a far away town using my Fake Identity) I was unable to restrain my tears when I was listening to a Filmy Bhajan “Banwari re jinay ka shara ter naam re”. Every-time I listen to Sikh Aarti (written by 5 different contributors) I invariably have to wipe tears from my face. My feeling is that Amir Khan is more sensitive than the average bloke in the street and a few shots of him wiping his tears, goes to not only illustrate his commitment to the subject it also represents the audience, among whom there would have been many weepers.

    In our materialistic and corrupt society we have become so hardened and jaundiced that, when a genuine attempt to shake us out our self induced slumber is made we become suspicious and start looking for reasons to justify our un-conventional stand on the subject.

    Setting of Agenda

    Stayamave Jayate is the kind of programme that will set both political and social agenda of the nation. Such is its power and by extension it makes Amir Khan a very powerful man. This leads to jealousy both amongst some politicians and journalists, who view that their legitimate territory is being invaded by a film actor. They would rather he gyrates his slender hips than to wipe his tears on TV. That is a space and a role reserved for some one else.

    Finally let me quote Sahir as I wipe a tear from my face.

    aurat sansaar kee kismat hai, phir bhee takdir kee hetee hai
    avtaar payambar janatee hai, phir bhee shaitaan kee betee hai
    yeh woh badkismat mann hai jo, beto kee sej pe letee hai
    aurat ne janam diya mardo ko…..

    Jai Mata di.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    You get A+ on all the points!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    One of your best post. Even if I try my best I cannot disagree with you
    on this.

    ” In our materialistic and corrupt society we have become so hardened and jaundiced that, when a genuine attempt to shake us out our self induced slumber is made we become suspicious and start looking for reasons to justify our un-conventional stand on the subject.”

    In this one paragraph you have hit the nail on the head. We have become so
    much suspicious of the motives of anyone who tries to do anything good that
    it becomes almost impossible to trust anyone.

    This song aurat ne janam diya mardon ko, always bring tears in my eyes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He is trained to hit the bullet on the head, but once in a way, he does hit the nail on the head bang in the centre.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    that is a good one too-

    Anonymous Reply:

    Great post. Kudos.

    I may not agree 100% with you.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    That is my Ravi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    An honest opinion is any day better than a motivated, jargonised word play.

    Looks like Amir Khan could stir powerful emotions even in the hearts of hard-boiled jihadis.

    That said, I agree with most of what you said, this once.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can always be trusted to vitiate a thread. Shame on you, not that saying it is going to make any difference to you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar
    totally unnecessary outburst from you

    Anonymous Reply:

    I wish you were to say that to him instead of pointing the gun at me. Probably that would be too much to expect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    an outburst, yes. But, unnecessary? No.

    This congressi troll has to vent his bile on someone or the other, periodically, to maintain his sanity level. In that sense, this was a necessary outburst.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was under order of my partner to work more for a change and under mandate not to visit the blog. But your post does compel me comment.

    That once you get your agenda out of the way… you can be balanced– only if you desire so.

    At another level I would state that the program does remain hardhitting. Firstly the commanding presence of Amir Khan ensures a huge audience. Second he has taken up the issues in the reality show format, yet not trivialised them.

    The very nature of TV means that it is a hunt for eyeballs all the time. This ends up creating programs where excesess are the result. News shows are shrill. Talk shows shallow, requiring “good looking people.” In fact To take up a “non glamorous” issue and managing eyeballs is a huge success.

    At the end of the day… will people forget the first episode by the time the seres reaches the 13th? I think somehting will definately change..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “….it makes Amir Khan a very powerful man…”

    I am eagerly waiting for that makeover..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Let me check your motive.

    Are you praising Amir Khan so much because he was seen with Team Anna in recent past ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    Let me start with your last point – Setting the political agenda….
    We don’t know much yet. Let us rather wait and watch.
    Bitter Tears…..
    A bit of perspective here. We Indians happen to be subjected to several Reality Shows these days in different regional languages. Some even directly dealing with tensions a newly wed women stepping into precarious family situations (more often than not translated as – battling with a rather hostile familial power structure) . These reality shows tend to be just those – anecdotes eliciting tears. From “wiping the tears off every five minutes” perspective – the similarities between Mr. Khan’s show and the preceding reality shows are too much to be missed out.
    Oh , and yes, it happens with me too when I view the bollywood film “Chak De India” – the part when when two top performing girls collaborate in the final match to score a goal. We humans are a rather weird species, you see.
    But again, we are sharp and enough as well to suspect somebody capitalising on our tears.
    Amir Khan…
    Personally I respect him as a great actor. IMO his best performance was in “Rakh” a movie where he and Pankaj Kapoor did excellently well when Amir Khan was at early stage of his career. That said – if you are dismissing the dissenting opinion on “Satyamev Jayate” as jealousy – it leaves me aghast. For instance , Yours truly is not even remotely connected to the space he is operating in (In fact, at this point I am trying to integrate code from my other team members – it sure appears to be a long night ahead). As for “Pipli Live” – IMHO it was a stock response to a rather terrible situation. You may want to compare other film-makers how they handled equally serious topics.
    TV Programme….
    I tend to understand the classic conflict Mr. Khan faced. And yet my argument is against his bias towards his assumption about people’s understanding being low. This , IMHO, is the core problem. Our masses are not as stupid as Mr. Khan may want to think.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Though not addressed to me but your last line has forced me to respond. Are you trying to
    say that the people who liked and appreciated his program are stupid ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nope. From my earlier posting…..
    “I tend to understand the classic conflict Mr. Khan faced. And yet my argument is against his bias towards his assumption about people’s understanding being low. This , IMHO, is the core problem. “

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    So your opinion is that he has pitched the programme too low. In otherwords aiming at the lowest common denominator and that you believe to be a flaw.

    Had the programme been pitched a “bit” higher then you would have felt that it was less condescending and thereby better.

    Have I understood you correctly?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    That is part of the opinion. More in tune with Mohan’s response.
    As for Lowest Common Denominator – the argument here is Aamir Khan appears to have pegged his baseline at a level where people are not aware about the problem. Which is quite low. People are aware about the problem.
    p.s. : My responses may be sparse owing to work pressure.

  • Anonymous

    On another blog someone has commented this on the release of Raja on bail.

    Ja ko rakhe Sonia maar sake na koye

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brother… give me a good joke…

    I am under workkkkkkkkk pressure. Need a smile…

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  • Anonymous

    Sorry state of the debate in parliament! Debate or “Tolerance turning into tyranny of the minority/interest groups?

    NY Times Tuesday

    http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/14/in-india-tolerance-turns-into-a-tyranny-of-its-own/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    Indian politicians have found a sure fire hit formula. Convert every person into a minority and then proclaim that I am your defender…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,,

    Name of the movie Biloo Barber was changed to only Biloo because some
    barbers took objection the word ‘ barber ‘. Even if you ask a barber to
    remove the hair of your arm pit you have to address him as a hair stylist.
    We are living in a so called “political correct word” times.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Benoy

    During the world cup… I got a huge 30 ft flag of India and draped it sideways on my office. Width wise drape as it could not be hung horizontally. So the stripes safrron — white- green were vertical.

    A lawyer having a haircut in a Shahnaz parlour on the other side of the road called me up… and warned me that he would send me a legal notice… for insulting the flag.!!

    I told him that I would get a huge danda covered with pastries and shove it in his… Ga_ _ _ !

    Two days later India won the cup. The next day… I got this legal notice…

    I think we are a touchy bunch of people whom the politicians have made into cry babies…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We must learn to live with others’ tantrums too !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    We don’t have to learn, we are being forced to live with others’ tantrums.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not sorry, but disgusting state.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    This for you. I am sure you know about Nirmal Baba and his style of functioning.

    A Lady to Nirmal Baba: ” Baba, mujhe santan nahin ho rahi hai ”
    Baba: ” Panty kis colour ki pehenti ho ?
    Lady : ” Red ”
    Baba : ” Green colour ki pehno, signal achcha milega, aur kripa aani shuru ho jayegi.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx !!

    Sends a political message too !!

    Vote out the reds…

    get in the green and saffron fundos!

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    Would you by any chance wish that the entire Congress baraat of minsters, barristers, and media story twisters should take a magnifying glass and try to find a link between Team Anna and Amir?

    In case the link is strong– which it is– then the baraat of gestapo should pounce on him?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Think of the possibilities if the opposite were true !

    You never know. It can happen anytime.The future is unpredictable.

    We have seen people making Baap out of Gadha or Gadha out of Baap depending on the motive of the time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes it would be gr8 in case AAmir takes out the dum from Congress ministers, Barristers and media story twisters !!

    Let us have a drink to that some day…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Ravi’s posting shows that he sees Aamir’s sincerity … and probably Ravi would now appreciate Anna Hazare’s intent and determinatin to clean up India along with Aamir khan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Amir’s production is well intented, well thought out, well executed without bias.

    Team Anna’s production is a suspect.

    Perhaps Team Anna could learn a trick from Amir about non-invasive method for bringing about a change which is atleast 3 orbits above the method adopted by the Team Anna. But do they have a clear intent ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the Congress barristers and media story twisters are scared to attack Aamir for this support to team Anna right now.

    But Raj Kumar Sharma’s first atack could be part of Rahulg’s and DigvinashG’s strategy. After all they get scared of anybody who fights against corruption.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought that was part of Indira Gandhi’s 50 year grand plan!
    Please don’t snatch the credit away from her.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes fifty years back she announced..”We are a socialist country… we dont need other cars… BUT NY SON WILL MAKE CARS FOR YOU

    Anonymous Reply:

    And he did !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only a Brainwashed COngressi will say that.

    Sanjay died in 1980. NO car ever rolled out till then. In 1983 the Indian government tied up with Suzuki motor corp. Then the Suzuki– named Maruti to give credit to Sanjay came out :)

    But maybe you were part of the Youth COngress and have been given an alternative narrative of history..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps for you producing a motor car is no different from cooking a packet of maggie noodles.

    Donkeys surely have left their marks on you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    so you beleive that the Maruti car in 184 was produced by Sanjay gandhi in 1980?

    Gr8 history Congress taeches.

    No wonder you believe that we deserve only family rule !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    do you honestly believe that Anna Hazare is corrupt from his head to toe?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The guy who couldn’t “prevent corruption” in his small cooperative, has no right to talk about “abolishing corruption” in a large country like ours.

    He is as willy as any petty politician.

    He has told more lies on camera with a straight face than any public figure in recent memory.

    Pick up his daily comments in last 9 months and match with his turn-around after a day or two, you will have a long list of lies he delivered with aplomb. He took everybody for granted. He thought people had no choice but to believe him.

    His charade of innocence is as fake as Vajpayee-mukhauta of BJP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Pathakji,

    one Kamal Khan from Dubai has already taken the lead in rubbishing Amir Khan, about his alleged desertion of his first wife etc.

    Now Kamal Khans will sprout from every pore of the congress party’s body.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Shenoy this is a full baraat .

    Let him just encroch on the corruption thing… Digivnash ji who is hiding in the rathole after UP elections will suddenly emerge shouting Hola Hola hola…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t he the same joker who was part of Big Boss?

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare real hero, I am not: Aamir Khan

    PTI Aug 27, 2011, 05.50pm IST

    (“I am not the biggest hero,…)

    NEW DELHI: “I am not the biggest hero, Anna (Hazare) is the real hero,” said superstar Aamir Khan on Saturday as he pledged support to the activist’s fight for a strong anti-corruption law.

    Khan’s remarks at Ramlila Maidan came as a key Hazare aide Kumar Viswas described the actor as the biggest hero of the country who has lent his support to the movement.

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  • Anonymous

    Africa pivots and surpasses India!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/opinion/africa-and-the-power-of-the

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    engrich Reply:

    good example,

    On 12 May 2012, the War Crimes Tribunal, in Malaysia, found George W. Bush, and several members of his administration, guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    Bush ‘guilty of crimes of torture’

    The ‘Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal’, part of an initiative by former Malaysian premier Mahathir Mohamad, in a unanimous vote, found Bush and seven of his associates, including former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld guilty of torture and war crimes.

    Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council

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  • Ravi

    Manohar.

    Reading your response gave me the impression that you may have taken my post as a direct response to your posts on this topic.

    Let me assure you that nothing was farther from my mind. At the time of writing I would have had nothing more than a vague recollection of your view point.

    There are reality shows and then there are reality shows. USA leads in totally overuse of this format “My Brother is the Father of my Son” kind where the miscreant is brought in front of studio audience and forced to answer questions in front of his victims. This type of TV is compelling for certain class of audience and nauseating for the rest. But it fills the hours, as it is cheap TV. Its subjects are INDIVIDUALs rather than nation as a whole. If carefully managed Styamave Jayate will not go that way, however such a fate may await copy-cat programmes from other channels. My point on jealousy was aimed at Politicians and Journalists and not fellow blogers. Dissenting voices will inject a measure of realism in the phenomenon. It is a bit too early for that but the process seems to have started.

    PathakG, I did not set out to over praise Amir Khan, had the programme been made by someone else – such as Shabana Azmi – the thrust of my points would have remained intact. Amir has a certain persona which has uniquely created a bond of trust between the public and him. Whether it will remain so, after the character assassinators have had their go, remains an open question.

    The moment a second series is commissioned, Amir will receive ideas for programme topics from all quarters. The power of setting a nations agenda should not be under-estimated. Amir will have to be careful that he does not cross the line from a programme maker to an activist. He would loose his power if he veered into real politics rather than stay in the arena of a programme maker and let the follow up actions remain with those who are already active in that field.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your review of Amir’s program was good. I hope he keeps delivering good stuff. Yes there are chances of having copycat programmes on other channels.

    Swamy was not comfortable with Anna taking the limelight away and holding Delhi captive. Anna was not comfortable with Advani riding on his success. Advani was not comfortable with Modi hosting Sadbhavna upavaas blurring his effort.

    They all suffered from the “how-could-he?” syndrom.

    Can you stop people feeling jealous?

    Good thing about Amir is that he is multi-dimensional. He will move on nonchalantly.

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    Ravi Reply:

    PathakG

    When I wrote my post I was not even aware of any delaings between Amir and Anna.
    For me the two are quite different in their approach and appeal.

    I support the former and not the latter.

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Had you known of the total support and appearence with Anna, Aamir had… would you have given him such high ratings in your posting?

    Ravi Reply:

    My comments on Amir’s programme where just that. Who he associates with and who not is his business.

    ________________________________

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    ‘Reading your response gave me the impression that you may have taken my post as a direct response to your posts on this topic’.

    Even if it was so, so what? We are not here to agree on every topic under the sun. Everyone is allowed to disagree with one another as long as there is no abuse and insinuations thrown around. I have always been open to divergent views.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I don’t think Aamir will become full time activist as he has said this many times that
    his main interest lies in acting and film making. His one movie will be releasing at
    the end of this year and he has already signed to other movies. After this program
    he will be busy in what he usually does.
    Not only politicians and some journalists, there are NGOs also who are jealous of him.
    The reason is because they are doing this job since many years but just one program
    has made Aamir very popular in whole country.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan Ji

    I hope Amir does not become an activist and remains an agent provocateur, I present to you the following verse which aptly illustrates his dilemma.

    No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;

    Am an attendant lord, one that will do

    To swell a progress, start a scene or two,

    Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,

    Deferential, glad to be of use,

    Politic, cautious, and meticulous;

    Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;

    At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-

    Almost, at times, the Fool.

    I grow old … I grow old …

    I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    Your write up on Amir and his program was quite good. keep up!

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  • Anonymous

    On the wedding night, bride tells her husband ‘ Please don’t touch me, I have promised my
    mother that after marriage I will leave all these things ‘

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Her husband would have instantly understood what “these things” are, because before marriage he would have “touched” any number of unmarried girls.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 one !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I believe incest is (or was) quite common in the southern states of USA.

    This guy from Alabama marries this girl — he finds out she is a virgin.

    So, next morning he tells his mother “mama, mama, Sarah is a virgin’

    Mother gets angry ” We dont want this girl whom even her family does not want, send her back”

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  • Anonymous

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    Nature of job:

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    Age:
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    (e) – Perks: Space is not sufficient. Booklet will be sent on payment of Rs 10/- by crossed postal order.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We should get rid of presidency, Air india

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  • Anonymous

    With Manu Singhivi Cdeed, Chindaimbaran a lame duck… the UPA is a three legged horse now.

    quite significantly Sonia, MMS and Pranab have not spoken too loudly to defend Chidambaram.

    The only two lawyers left now are Kapil Sibal and Manish tewari.

    Teari is a troll … basically a screamer.

    I think the UPA should resign now…

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    - Inflation going up
    - GDP goes down
    - rampant corruption all over
    - female infanticide
    etc etc

    What did Lok Sabha debate on yesterday? — Content of TV advertisement! All parties were in consensus that something had to be done to curb the vulgarity of advertisements where women were portrayed as commodities….Ambika Soni got everybody’s support!

    what did they debate on day before yesterday – removing cartoons from text books..

    Actually I wonder whether all these are to divert attention away from Sanghvi’s acts– What happened to all that?. There is no coverage, zilch.. Is that dead ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, dont write off congress! See how well they managed the whole Abhishek Singhvi episode!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All thanks to the wholehearted support from the media.

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  • Anonymous

    At least we thought our AirForce was better (than Pakistan) — No!

    http://expressbuzz.com/thesundaystandard/pakistan-gains-superiority-of-the-skies-over-iaf/391155.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi-
    Have not seen any response from the Govt refuting this.

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    Ravi Reply:

    It is customary for governments to neither refute nor confirm this type of speculation.

    In time Gov of India would commission an article of its own to put forward its view point.

    This is akin a puffer fish puffing itslef up to look bigger than it is. Threat is cheaper than experiment.

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  • Anonymous

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kya ho gaya… shabd mita diye. Maybe you accidently said something against Chotta baba and Digivinash or COngress?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The replies were supposed to appear elsewhere.

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  • Anonymous

    Shape of things to come …….
    Analysis by PIMCO’s Mohamed A El-Erian….
    Read on at :
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mohamed-a-elerian/global-economy-next-three-years_b_1519613.html

    The original Document from which this article was adapted may be found at :
    http://media.pimco.com/Documents/Secular%20Outlook%202012_Global%20Final.pdf

    p.s. : Rather Dense in articulation and Conceptually.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh-

    Mohmed Al Erian is one of the best “fixed income” “bond” investors.

    There is no “model’ to play with in these uncharted territories. Europe, except Germany, is in depression. 30% unemployment is what US experienced during their 1930 depression.

    Japan has been in its “lost 10 years”, now may be “lost 20 years”. US, that created this worldwide problem through their uncontrolled unregulated securitization and default swap activities, is in political paralysis.

    China’s growth is slowing down to 7-8%, prompting fear about mass violence and even a system change.

    Time for prayers!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yep. Looking terribly bad. Large Capacity Glut all over the world, shrinking purchasing power, Increasing soverign and personal debts.
    Add to it Governments trying to cope up with deficits and trimming down in a “un-popular” way.
    Too bad – there is no “reset” button in sight to start all over again.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Isn’t all this a bit cyclical. Many an economist have tried to reduce the amplitude of wave like economic performance, but yet the ups and downs come with regular monotony. Each time the reasons for this undulation may be different, but the impact remains the same.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is not cyclical.
    Anecdotally – when did you last see such deep , widespread and prolonged period of crisis all over the world ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    I would agree that this time it is deeper and perhaps wider and that because Indian economy more coonected to the rest of the world, it is being felt in India.

    However, I am going thru my 3rd dipression in Europe since 1972.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But isnt this time real bad — for the first time UK is cutting off a lot of its social welfare programs..US is talking about slashing their entitlement programs. Greece ditto. Spain ditto…

    There is also a “conspiracy theory” that one group has been eyeing the shutting off government spending all these years all across the world, but mainly in US and Europe, and now they are in control to slash and burn to protect “the free market”

    Ravi Reply:

    AFAIK the UK cuts public programmes in every recession. This time cuts do not feel any more severe than they were in earlier recessions.

    Mrs T tried to control the economy by interest rates alone and during earlier part of her rule interest rates went as high as 14%.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, but the troubles were not so wide ranging and deep and prolonged earlier.
    p.s. : Will discuss at length sometime later .

    AshishC Reply:

    My wife thinks deep, prolonged albeit localized crisis beset her, uninterrupted for the last 17 years :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    You are not alone. My wife is suffering this crisis since 30 years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have told my wife that true to the marriage vows that I took, I am an equal partner in the crisis that has beset her all through our joint venture called marriage.

    After four decades, she tends to agree with me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    This is different from the usual business cycle ups and downs – connectivity and speed guarantees disasters that were unthinkable 15 years ago.

    I hope that countries will demand that US regulations be in sync with more tougher, more sensible regulations other countries have. The world is suffering because of the lack of US regulations. It is a man-made problem, not resource constraints, or draught, or flood or food shortage etc.

    Ravi Reply:

    USA is allergic to regulations. It prefers market to regulate itself.

    So I don’t think that a change in policy will be forthcoming soon.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Agree with you that US has always believed in markets regulating itself.
    But this time it seems that things have
    almost gone out of control.
    Your earlier post says that Mrs.Thatcher tried to control economy
    through interest rates. In fact she was
    just following what whole world – western world – was doing at that time . During that period short term
    rates in US – 1 to 3 months
    were over 20% p.a.
    In France overnight rate had even gone
    up to 500% or was it 5000% p.a.?

  • Anonymous

    Shekhar Gupta sues Vinod Mehta for 100 crs. Mehta has defamed Gupta and damaged his reputation by saying that Gupta was misled into publishing that Report and Editors should exercise more caution.
    Shekhar Gupta thinks he has an exclusive Right to Freedom to publish whatever he wants but none has the Right to say that he was ” misled” the mildest criticism although a much more serious charge could be made out against him. For his sake , the Govt has shown indulgence and not registered a case under the Indian Penal Code and Official Secrets Act , otherwise he could find himself in more serious trouble. The Govt itself has strongly criticized that story apart from the Army Chief who called it “High Treason”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think VInod Mehta is right. Shekhar GUpts should stop making a fool of himself !

    Pathak G please watch out when you peddle nice stoires for the COngress!

    Vinod Sharmaji dont trust Amar Singh Dahlas too much. Singhvi is unemployed… he may just sue you on behalf of god knows who!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s like saying Sachin was misled into playing cricket, Vishwanath chess, Advani politics.
    A good journalist verifies the sources , doubly if it’s sensitive before publishing.
    Only a faint heart starts looking for alibis if the story is too controversial or goes against the public opinion.

    A good journalist stands by his stories.

    A good journalist does not follow the principle – ” Kehne mein kya jaata hai?” Approach. That’s below his dignity. I guess it’s difficult for you to understand. Vinod Mehta was trying to fish in the troubled water. He was trying to sympathise with Shekhar and was trying a ” a tall sardar who shot Jessica…” approach a la Jethamalani.

    If Shekhar filed the suit he needs to be applauded for sticking his neck out and agreeing to face the consequences of his own action.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji, Vijay Kumar,

    We must stand solidly behind our friend Vinod Sharma, in case Zingvi dares to sue him on anybody’s behalf.

    As for Shekhar Gupta, he suffers from a disease called Vacuum-at-the-top. He is strongly advised to do ’shirshaasan’ to increase blood flow to the grey matter and reduction in the vacuum.

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  • Anonymous

    Sheila Devi, leader of the Jharia Panchayat in Jharkhand and her troubles with the govt to improve Jharia lives

    NY Times today
    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/a-woman-leader-for-the-isolated-jungle-village-of-jharki-bisalpur/

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  • Anonymous

    A Hindu gentleman in USA collapsed on road due to heart attack. Ambulance picked him up, Hindu started chanting Hari Om, Hari Om, Hari Om. Ambulance reached his
    house, his wife screamed ” Why did you not take him to the hospital ” ?
    Doctor replied ” Because he kept saying hurry home, hurry home.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    gr8 one!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    A good joke. Made me smile.

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  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ BACK ON THE BLOG… SEEMS SLEEPY HERE ~~~ !!
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    I guess… all of us have to trudge to get the next day’s bread… and my luck… I have to do it too. So no blogging today for me…

    I was surprised to not that There was no Modi Modi Rape Rape today !!

    it is still 67 mts to midnight. Somebody should prove me wrong…

    or may even Pathak G , manohar, Mahesh and Ravi have finally accepted that Modi wil make a gr8 PM …. with Anna as President and Aamir Khan as Vice President…

    Congrats to everyone…

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  • Anonymous

    Women dying in child birth goes down significantly… UN Report.

    However, 1/3rd of all deaths of mothers in child birth happens in India and Nigeria..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/health/maternal-deaths-plunged-over-2-decades-un-reports.htm

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  • Dr Mishra

    Recession in UK and RAVI””””””””””’

    Many a times people here have wondered about whether Ravi really lives in UK. HIS GLIB STATEMENT ONCE AGAIN SHOWS THAT HE DEFINITELY DOES NOT LIVE IN UK- ‘the UK cuts public programmes in every recession. This time cuts do not feel any more severe than they were in earlier recessions’

    Good lord, the cuts are going so deep – 2/3 of those on disability benefits will lose them, doctors and nurses in our hosp have no paid study leave this year, there has been a massive cull of jobs across many public sectors incl NHS, students for first time ever will pay upto £ 9000 per year for Univ education etc etc

    You live in UK Ravi? the mask slipped, badly

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic analysis of tait lungoat wearing sootardhari formerly of Moordabad.

    Here speaks a man who dived as a **** and surfaced as a PADI. He now speaks with an Irish accent.

    Dr Mishra I advise you to engage your brain before you open your cake hole (assuming of course that is where you speak from, though I have had my doubts for several years).

    Recession in the UK in the early 1980s was significantly more severe than it is today.

    Where were you then, having a glass of whine with your white friends and educating them about your sincerely held but shallowly rooted swabhiman.

    That recession was due to Monetarist policies, Company earnings declined by 35%. Unemployment rose from 5.3% to 11.9%. Our GDP took 18 quarters to recover to its pre-recession levels

    This recession is disproportionately felt in the public sector because its root cause is Sovereign Debt. Gordon Brown over borrowed (along with others in Europe and else where) to spend our way out of the 2008/9 recession. Even this recession was deeper than the one we are currently experiencing.

    Where do you think I live??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Cmon you shold not have gone on abusive offensive for this may just spoil your newly acquired hallow of a serious commentator.

    Ravi, my contact in MI5 cyber wing tells me that CURRENTLY you ae not in UK. RIght or wrong?

    If I am wrong… I will dump my Agent Cameroon and rely once again on Agent Vinod….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    I am me, take it or leave it.

    Dr Mishra fancies himself, he attacks me and I retailate. You should know that.
    You did not need MI5 to work that one out, any one familar with a chronograph could have worked out.
    I am in India for another two weeks and have already converted my Hotel Bedroom into Muridke. I must say the receptionist was quite bemused when I requested two card-board sign posts, one saying Muridke and the other Tora Bora. There is no greater pleasure than to make a home when away from home and the signboards came in handy for this type of comfort.

    ________________________________

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    UK, USA, and many other western countries are going through the worst recession since the great depression. No, ifs, buts.

    UK level – the prolonged time period, the public debt levels, the reduced tax intake, the length and rate of unemployment – all are worse than any recession since the great depression of 30s.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Care to illustrate.

    If not when I am back in my hotel I will provide figures.

    ________________________________

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Here is the correct picture.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/nov/25/gdp-uk-1948-growth-economy

    ________________________________

  • Anonymous

    This is how our fight started.

    I tried to talk my wife into buying a case of Foster beer, instead she bought a jar
    of cold cream. I told her the beer would make her look better at night than the cold cream.

    And then the fight started.

    Not a very good morning.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are right and I am sorry to say ur wife is wrong.

    With a right quantity of beer inside, any female would appear lovely.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Now to make up I have to buy her some jewelery. One good thing
    is that I can get the piece of jewelery at cost since my son is
    in this business.

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  • Anonymous

    Those who know about Home Remedies would tell you that meat of rock pigeons , which are in abundance these days, can cure a patient struck with paralysis. I think it is time that this remedy is tried with the PM of India. At a time when India is faced with a grave economic crisis , and something which was being anticipated , with the developing global situation and its implications for India , the much touted great economist appears to be in coma.
    Economists of all hues are saying that the govt has not done simple things or Reforms which it could have inspite of the political complications, which are more to be attributed to its own allies, rather than the Opposition. In a panel discussion on TV almost all Economists were unanimous that it was time budgetary allocations toward populist schemes and NREGA in particular ougt to be diverted to Infrastructure development activities where the beneficiaries could get more gainful employment and also contribute to Growth. Fiscal deficit including state deficits is at an all time high . If not tackled in time , the country is in for a grave crisis .

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    I am sure this very hot meat of rock pigeons will definitely work but the only
    problem is that even for this permission form Sonia mata is required. The question is will she give such permission?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A paralytic PM is what she wants. And as u apprehend that permission shall certainly not come.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    We have to first make Manmohan Singh consume the pigeon meat and shed a lilttle of the paralysis, just to enable him to raise his head and ask for permission from Mataji to take more of the same meat.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    It will be a grave crisis.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar:

    “Yes fifty years back she announced..”We are a socialist country… we dont need other cars… BUT NY SON WILL MAKE CARS FOR YOU”

    Pathak Gji

    “And he did!”

    Pathakji, yes, he did. But, instead of a car, he produced a cart.
    It is Indira Gandhi herself, who called for collaboration and selected Suzuki for partnership and then we had a real car.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    More than 30 years later people too commented another indigenous effort “Nano” exactly n the same manner which came after many iterations and broad technological access. Any major effort goes through these phases. Nothing to be surprised about.

    Read Toyoda to Toyota story….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When TATA made the Nano he did not ask mummy to stop giving licences to all the other car manufactureres and also stop the existing ones from any capacity expansion.

    His bank loans were on merit. His land acquisition was based on wilfull cooperation by the state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The states are too willingly giving land to Auto makers these days.

    Check out with CAG.

    No, rather check out with Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even maruti wants to be in Gujarat !! Kuch khaas hai uss mitti mein…

    They have taken up the land there. Pleease check out how the centre armtwisiited them not go there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    the similarity between the Maruti protopype produced by Sanjay Gandhi and an excellent product of Indian Engineering, Nano by Telco, to put it mildly is FAR FETCHED.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi created two generations of poor Indians.

    It looks like that the global developments coupled with her daughter-in-law’s inactions and wrong actions (as Praveen pointed out below) will repeat that again.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ MORE PAKISTANI SEX ABUSE IN UK ~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Man in UK kept son’s Pak bride as sex slave: Report
    Press Trust of India | Updated: May 16, 2012 15:48 IST

    London: A 56-year-old man has been jailed for keeping his son’s 22-year-old Pakistani bride as a sex slave, a court heard.

    The “depraved” man stripped the bride of her jewellery and passport after she came to Britain following an arranged marriage, the Daily Mail reported.

    “He made her swear on the Quran that she would keep the abuse a secret and promised to heap shame on her by forcing her to divorce his son if she refused his demands for sex. But after more than three months of abuse, she summoned the little English she had picked up and called 999 (police) at dead of night to plead with the police for help,” the Daily
    Mail said.

    Also Read
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    The defendant, from Bradford, West Yorkshire, subjected the 22-year-old to “repeated and sustained” sexual abuse, scratching her arm with a screwdriver and burning her with an
    iron to reinforce his authority over her, the court heard, the report added.

    The father-in-law has now been jailed for seven years.

    For NDTV Updates, follow us on Twitter , Facebook , Google+ and Pinterest Story first published: May 16, 2012 15:45 ISTTags: Bradford, Pak bride, sex slave Comments
    Comments

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Ravi will come up with a press report on a Christian/Hindu father-in-law keeping two brides!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope not !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    He may even come up with instances of two Hindu males being “serviced” by a Hindu under-age girl in New South Wales.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I really admire the girl’s presence of mind and also her refusal to put up with the abuse.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar is missing from this blog since yesterday. I hope everything is ok with him.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    He has been summoned to congress HQ by Ahmed Patel for under-performance as a congressi troll.

    Ahmed Patel is very strict about the trolls, unlike the ISI, which has allowed fake Ravi and engrich to disappear from the blog frequently.

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  • Anonymous

    Judge ” You are accused of rape, you are fined Rs. 11461/-”
    Accused ” Your honour, why this odd amount of Rs. 11461/-
    Judge : ” Rs. 10000/- fine for rape, 4% VAT and 10.2 % entertainment tax”

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    gr8 as usual !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    What about Service Tax ? Pl note ,as per the new law it is payable on all services except those in the negative list .Will it be paid on Reverse Charge basis i.e by the Service Recipient.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    No service tax, because actually, it is a disservice.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Our FM will come up with something to levy service tax on these ‘ activities ‘ too.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji, Mohan,

    actually there is an urgent case for summary trials of all rape cases
    and other abuses, so that the central government can levy 22% abuse/disservice tax at the time of sentencing.

    This way the government can easily finance its NREGA scheme.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rightly said Shenoy Saab .. a disservice and an abuse.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Whole government will come into action to defend SRK. Did we not see that when
    he was held at a airport in US?

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  • Anonymous

    A drunk Shah Rukh Khan was involved in a brawl last evening at Wankhede statium.
    Many times while giving interviews he has been heard saying that he is a devout Muslim. A drinking devout Muslim? Can anyone who drinks claim to be a devout Muslim?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    Rajeev Shukla, MOS Parl Affairs Govt of India , also chaperone and PRO to “Rekhaji” has already declared that the decision of MCA to ban Shahrukh Khan is not final. How can it be ? after all ..is he not a protectee of 10 Janpath.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    well, jehadists (“literal interpretors”….but there is no other interpretation) will not drink…….

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thank god that SRK is not a jihadi.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    It looks like SRK is losing his cool too often — he may be under internal family or other personal pressures. Let us hope and pray he is OK

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I won’t be surprised that SRK will blame security for this fracas and will claim that
    he was just defending himself and the children who came ith him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    A school mate sent a mail today to me that all our showboys from school… are becoming famous for the wrong things.

    Singhvi for his CD, Rahul gandhi for his non performance, Sharukh for his brawls…

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  • Anonymous

    Sangama is now rumoured to be the favour /flavour of the day to be the President.

    Other than to declare what a great secular country, now since we have a Christian president — is there anything else/

    And does it make any sense that his daughter is in the cabinet while he is the President?

    I will take a Pranab or Ansari!

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  • Anonymous

    About Indian architecture, city planning (or not)….Interview with a Harvard Indian Professor of Architecture/Development
    NY Times today..

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/a-conversation-with-urban-planner

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx for the link. Very interesting…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    Many of his comments will make sense to you since you are in construction/PUD business.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely!

  • Dr Mishra

    UK RECESSION ”””””””””””””””””””

    Thank you Shoeb and Vijay. As Shoeb rightly said-
    “UK, USA, and many other western countries are going through the worst recession since the great depression. No, ifs, buts.

    UK level – the prolonged time period, the public debt levels, the reduced tax intake, the length and rate of unemployment – all are worse than any recession since the great depression of 30s.”
    Enough said already, RAVI why are you so abusive ?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Why do you feel it necessary to challenge my identity when you do not know me from Adam

    I have posted a link from The Gurniad and it has many ifs and buts.

    You will find me extremely civil should you choose to be civil with me.

    Enough said already…… but most of it is ill informed and rubbish.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi/Dr Mishra

    Second para ” the recession dating from 2008 is steeper than the recessions in 1990, 1980, and as steep as the slow down in the great depression of 1930s”

    http://www.johnashcroft.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/The-Saturday-Economist-UK-recoveries-Compared-.pdf

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    Are counting the current recession as if it started in 2008. I am not.

    Are we using the universally accepted definition of recession.

    Did you look at the %age change in GDP in the table included in the link I provided.

    How do the words “steep”, “deep”, and “sustained” compare in each of recession in the last 30 years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi/Dr Mishra

    see the last sentence of first para..
    “the faltering pattern is unprecedented in comparison with all other UK recessions”

    http://www.johnashcroft.co.uk/2012/05/the-saturday-economist-uk-recession-and-recoveries-compared-1930-2012/

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    I base my contention on the second column – the %age decline in GDP quarter on quarter.

    Compare 2008 to 2009 with 2011 and 2012

    2008 Q1 _0 _367,519 _362,755 _5,923 _6,001

    2008 Q2 _-1.3 _362,869 _361,184 _5,888 _5,915

    2008 Q3 _-2 _355,752 _356,502 _5,802 _5,789

    2008 Q4 _-2.3 _347,731 _353,429 _5,741 _5,649

    2009 Q1 _-1.6 _342,283 _345,777 _5,607 _5,550

    ****************************

    2010 Q1_0.4_346,312_360,024_5,813_5,592

    2010 Q2_1.1 _350,174 _364,633 _5,885 _5,651

    2010 Q3 _0.7 _352,552 _368,961 _5,950 _5,686

    2010 Q4 _-0.5 _350,812 _370,116 _5,964 _5,653

    2011 Q1 _0.2 _351,673 _373,767 _5,969 _5,616

    2011 Q2 _-0.1 _351,459 _374,929 _5,976 _5,602

    2011 Q3 _0.6 _353,463 _378,372 _6,019 _5,623

    2011 Q4 _-0.3 _352,420 _380,517 _6,041 _5,595

    2012 Q1 _-0.2 _351,715

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/nov/25/gdp-uk-1948-growth-economy

    Ravi Reply:

    Shoeb

    The 1930 to 1934 recession had -7.65% decline in UK GDP in the 19th month and then again in the 31st month.

    The 2008 recession the UK economy shrunk by -7.32% in its 15th month.

    Last quarter – Q1 2012 – the UK economy shrunk by 0.2%.

    I have backed my contention with figures and links to original source.

    Over to you….good night.

  • Anonymous

    THE RECESSION ! PLEASE REMEMBER… TO BUY SOMETHING, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE MONEY BY SELLING SOMETHING FIRST.

    I think the whole world needs to fall in love with the idea of recession, especially the developed countries. Free trade creates zones where Products and services can be created efficiently and places where they cannot be. The basis of the modern economy is also about having less people to do the same work.

    China has zones…. where products are made by very docile labour in very efficent factories with huge production scales. There will be few countries which can actully match these… and even if hey do, they wont have a large domestic economy.

    The US has a gr8 agriculture sector and compapnies which create the benchmark in software and R&D. They still control the major financial markets and the arms market. but… it has built up all the housing it needs for the next 30 years… its auto manucturing is not competitive globally… its banks are in a see saw stage… What can it then sell to the world competitively besides arms? It can probably sustain to some extent through branded lifestyle products getting royalty from franchisees worldwide… but the consumer item is no longer a made in US product.

    India has a bit of all… a load of poor people too– who need basics like housing and , so the domestic economy wiill sustain the boom.

    Ideally UK would be the place for R&D and education as well as finances. But with other countries, creating their own educational setups and R&D setups, the recession will remain around. Few jobs in manufacturing. Farm products would be more expensive than international produce…

    There was a cynical saying that a good war produces a boom. That you first breakup everything and then jobs will be created inrebuilding Well we have seen the war in the middle east only yielding easy fund flows to the arms companies…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Good observations.

    Lots of today’s problems are a result of interconnectedness, speed (of transactions), currency union which addresses one side of the equation and not the other (ie Euro), “sovereign” capitalism (ie China) etc etc. Interconnectedness and “one” market require a single regulatory platform. US screwed the whole world with their lousy regulations – it will take a long time to recover, if recovery happens at all.

    World economy was relatively stable when each country was within limits on its own. However, although the total wealth has increased through the connectivity, new platforms etc, the wealth has been getting concentrated in a small number of individuals (the 1% ers) — ever since industrial revolution, a stark disparity where middle class shrinks and wealth is increasingly concentrated in few individuals be it in US, UK, or anywhere else in the world, as it is now, has not existed before.

    We are moving into an uncertain arena all over the world. Who would have thoughts about economic riots in europe? “freedom” riots in Mullah lands? A possible huge backlash against the Govt in India if growth goes down to 4-5% which is quite possible?

    We will discuss more; going to sleep now.

    Thank you Viju for bringing up this important subject. With dynasty or not, the growth issue has to eb solved first before all other issues can be addressed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Thx! There is a window of opportunity for India to cash on. But we may just flounder.

    The Chinese economy was built the same way as the japanese and Korean was done. By getting into the US markets using their logic of free markets. Japan kept sending its cars to the US and kept saying free market capitalism while keeping its own agriculture sector protected. India really has to learn China and get MNC’s to set up base here for global manufacturing. I think we really wont be able to pull this as we are really too chaotic to organise manufacturing.

    We need to further remember that it wont be white US in the future. Already Hispanics , Black and Asians are more than 50% of the population and growing faster than the Whites.

    Now will this new US really be as motivated asthe current one to fight global wars for God and Capitalism?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    China is at a cross roads because of imbalance between state spending and actual use/value. They have been building roads to nowhere; sometimes 10 lane roads.

    they have to build internal consumption.

    With embedded software etc, the manual labour cost advantage will diminish. China will keep needles and pins, but not “advanced” products.

    India really can assert in this environment. We have software expertise, ingenuity, freedoms to pursue.. but we need a governmental platform..We cannot have our IIT graduates go over to US.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Government platforms are bad here. Today’s papers say that the government wont acquire land from the farmers.

    This will just please the big builders but would be a very bad step for developing cities and industrial townships. UP and Haryana where I work in have pockets of sanity where there is planned development.

    Otherwise it is all ahphzard and sad. Now whoel of india will develop this way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Leaving farmland as farmland is a good policy. But you, I, and the lamp post know the politicos and bureaucrats can classify anything as anything and grab at the right time!

  • Dr Mishra, Yorkshire

    UK ECONOMY DOWNTURN””””””””””””””’

    I have always respected your financial acumen Shoeb. What every man and his dog knows in UK, YOU PUT IT IN WORDS THRU THIS ARTICLE-

    “In this special presentation we compare the recessions and recoveries of
    1930, 1980, 1990 to the current recession and recovery.
    The recession dating from 2008 is steeper than the recessions in 1990
    1980 and as steep as the slow down in the 1930s.
    The recovery pattern this time was in line with all prior recessions until
    the first quarter of 2011. Since then the recovery has faltered and the
    latest data for the first quarter of 2012 suggests the economy is
    flatlining. The recovery is now far behind anything experienced in the UK
    since the 1930s.”

    I think ppl living outside UK have no idea how bad the situation here is. Students now pay upto a whopping £ 9000 for univ tuition- accom and food etc extra !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    It seems people living in Yorkshire don’t know much either.

    Tution Fees were first introduced in the UK in 1998 not due to any recession but the then government’s desire to change the way Universities are funded. The move was away from central government funding them towards allowing each university the ability to source its own funds. Stops the taxes to be too high. Student fees are supported by Student Loans which the student does not have to start repaying until their earnings reach a certain amount, which in some cases can be decades later.

    The current and previous recessions have not impacted the number of school leavers trying to get a place in the University. The uptake of university places has been rising year on year despite recessions. Graduate unemployment in mid seventies was higher than it is at present.

    Dr Mishra as is often the case you do not know what you are talking about, but feel this compulsion inside you to spout gibberish here.

    I supported my case not only with a link to a serious study but also extracted supporting figures (after all we are talking economics here) and all you have to offer is some bloody mindedness expressed in kind words and a cup of tea and biscuits.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi/Dr Mishra-

    Ravi is right that the tuition increase started as a decoupling move, with gradual/steep increase over the last 15 years, now I believe is capped at 9000 pound.

    This fee may be further increased along with the recession induced drastic cuts all across the UK systems.

    For the first time college applications were down by 8.7% in UK, with England at 9.9% less. Part of this has to do with the tuition fee, and a big part due to the recession.

    Cameron economic cure is at a critical juncture. Right now the country is close to the 1930 depression levels. Has he cut too much in response to deepening debt that the country may become worse off than now, and potentially become worse than the great depression of 1930s? More will be clear as the Greek and Spanish saga unfolds.

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    engrich Reply:

    robbery of africa will balance the things.this is temporary face.

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  • Anonymous

    When will I learn?

    My wife was standing and looking at the mirror. She was not happy with what she
    saw and said to me ‘ I feel horrible,I look old and fat, I really need you to pay me a
    complement to make me happy’
    I replied ‘ your eyesight is perfect ‘

    And then the fight started.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I said something similar to a possible wife to be… and the fight is still on… for a few years…

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  • Anonymous

    but goat is engrich and engrich is goat

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  • Anonymous

    What our people say about recession.

    Manish Tiwari : Recession was worst during NDA rule.
    Singhvi: Don’t disturb me I am busy in other very important matter.
    Gadkari : Because of the recession I don’t even get enough food to eat, my weight
    from 140kg has come down to 90kg.
    Pranab : We are introducing Rajiv Gandhi recession hatao scheme, for that we will
    increase VAT to 20% and service tax to 21.2%. In three months recession will be over.
    Advani: I will take out rath yatra to show to the suffering public the effects of recession .
    Anna Hazare : this is because of corrupt politicians of UPA, all these should be tied to a
    pole and flogged.
    MMS : is there a recession ? I will check with Soniaji and will tell you whether our country
    is facing recession or not.
    Rahul Gandhi : Worst recession I have ever seen, we don’t even have food to eat at home
    I have to eat at Dalits house
    Kapil Sibal : It is all lie. We have zero percent recession, zero percent unemployment
    Swamy : The man responsible for this recession is Chidambaram and I am going to sue
    him for this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    a very good one Mohan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Finally, someone was able to explain this ‘recession’ thing to me in a language that I understand!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the beauty of Mohan’s writing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Finally, someone was able to explain this ‘recession’ thing to me in a language that I understand!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sonia Gandhi: Our family is the first to suffer whenever the BJP creates conditions for inflation in “our” country. Mera bechara bachda often goes without food these days, all due to the BJP and RSS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    bachda – is that a typo or intentional?

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  • Anonymous

    To save his skin Shahrukh Khan now hides behind his daughter. He blames it on the poor defenceless security guard that he touched my daughter….. Shameless of him to bring his daughter into this ugly incident.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb, Mohan, Praveen Saxenaji,

    I feel the ban is a bit harsh to the ego of the super star. It will now be interesting whether Vilas will be banned from the ministry, on the basis of his involvement in the Adarsh scam alone.

    I hope Mataji will take due note of the “match-fixing” of the Shukla kind and banish him too for 10 years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5 years is a bit too much

    engrich Reply:

    just to deflect the attention from ipl corruption and match fixing scandal.punishment is totally out of propotion.but this is brhmn india.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich what do you have to say of the mass rape and child abuse by paksitnains of the tender white Christian girls in UK, using Islam as a cover?

    Anonymous Reply:

    he will say Brahmins and jews made them do it!

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure ! Sal a Pakistani revealed that many of the early invaders to Paksitan were actually descendents of jews.

    So why is there so much hatred of the forefathers?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He should be allowed to come upto the gates for one year and then free entry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Parveen,

    It is really shameful act and he is even saying that he is macho man by claiming
    that he alone stood his ground even though about 40 people threatened him physically.
    He could have avoided all this by just gracefully apologizing.
    By the way he has been banned from Wankhede stadium for five years.

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  • Anonymous

    If there is a platform on which some of the top dalals of the country congregate it is the BCCI. Real cricket lovers , who are their for the love of the game and have a genuine desire to promote it in the country are in a miniscule minority. So it came as no surprise when we heard that it may oppose the 5 year ban on Sharukh Khan .After all he is a protectee of 10 Janpath’s family.

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  • Anonymous

    Husband was praying before going to bed.
    Wife: what are you praying for ?
    Husband : for guidance
    Wife : Pray for hardness, leave guidance to me

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Foreign (including American) students come to Indian Business Schools – study/start ventures/funds

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/world/asia/18iht-sreducbric18.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    Well, a reverse migration!

    My friend’s son, who did his Masters in Engg at PennState and was working at Verizon there in USA, got admission to ISB Hyderabad, left his job as well as the immigration process, and joined ISB. He graduated last year and joined McKinsey in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think we need a 100 more schools of the IIM level in India to acter ofr Indian students. Everyday I see so many ads of Indian MBA collges and after visiting a few… am still to be convinced that they are top notch. IIM’s and a few are excellent.

    Americans coming here is great news. Interaction between stidents is sure way that business ties will grow. And Americans coming here to set up business is a sureshot way that global interest in India is sustained.

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  • Anonymous

    ~~~~YAHOOOOOOOOOO !!

    3 YEARS OF UPA…

    EVEN NDTV GIVES UP ON IT !!!

    How long can you sustain a a fallen “tree” with an overdose of Viagra?

    All the spin created by our friends in the HT and NDTV seems to have not even convinced themselves. NDTV currently is running a program which admits this much. Or am I seeing and hearing something wrong having spent long hours in the sun today?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Viju– ND Tiwari did it at 85 even without Viagra!

    So, dont count out these Congressis!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 one Gopi!

    Tewari probably was driiven by the idea of Power… the ultimate aphrosidiac for any politician!

    One Congress guy who is a builder in Dehradun told me that tewari is pretty smug that the whole world sees him now as a macho Tharki man of 85 capable of handling 3 women!

    life acn be pretty funny …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ND Tiwari can be renamed NDTV (V stands for viagra).

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  • Ravi

    Screening of film stopped

    About 60 activists belonging to the Bajrang Dal stormed the Gitanjali cinema and stopped the screening of the Kannada film Katariveera Surasundarangi here on Saturday.

    They were joined by Sri Lakshmivara Tirtha Swamiji of Shiroor Math. The activists and the swamiji opposed what they termed to be objectionable references to Hindu religion in the film.

    Read on….http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Mangalore/article3415003.ece

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Obviously , anything objectionable should not be included..The article does not say what was objectionable

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    Who decides what is objectionable?

    This is not a film made outside of India, where people unawares of the religious sentiments of the Hindus have gone and made a film which many Hindu’s might find objectionable.
    This seems to be a film made by Hindus and that it has had a normal commercial run every-where elese in India.
    And then this objection!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have not commented about the Pakistani father in law keeping sex slaves in UK. So do I take it you are happy about it?

    Ravi Reply:

    That is an old story and what comment would you expect from me. I leave such knee-jerking to you. You are so good at it.
    He is a criminal bar-steward and should be locked up for ever.

    Isn’t he?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely locked up. We cannot dismiss it by saying that it is an old case and why comment on it. There was another case on NDTV which I higlighted yesterday. You can scroll back and have a look.

    Let us use this blgo to highlight the sexual debauchery, the pervesion of the Paksitanis in raping the tender underage white girls..

    Hai tauba… Yeh Pakistnai log yeh sab kuch kyon kar rahe hai?

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Here I will let you into a few secrets:

    1. I think you think that you are clever, I am sure you mother is very proud of you and I admire your tenacity.

    2. In the mid-seventies, I did some Interpretation work in the Leeds Crown Court (despite what Dr Mishra may tell you) so I am more than most aware of the cultural depravities of rustic Pakistan culture, particularly from the Mirpur area. So don’t teach me to suck eggs.

    3. The incidents are not in question. What is in question is your interpretations and subsequent generalisation from it. This are little more than opportunistic rants of a Islamophobe.

    It is to balance point 3 that I relentlessly inform you that in India TOO we have similar religious fundos and sexual deviants.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Islamophobia is spread by denying such incidents and denying that they have to do witha culture which punioshes women. Unfortunately if you try say that it happens everywhere and not blame it on Paksitan or on misuse of religion by Male Paksitanis– you are the person spreading Islamophobia, not me.

    Ravi Reply:

    The more I read you, the more I am convinced that you read very little and understand even less

    Anonymous Reply:

    THANK U!

    Of you say that… I take it as a comploment… I would still request you to help integrate Islam with the rest of the world… as muslims as are as human as the rest fo humanity. People who isolate them like Odama, hafeez Saeed and Congress… are the real villians in my eyes.

    Ravi Reply:

    Bollocks

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pakistani bar stewards end up in lock-ups.
    Italian bar stewards end up ruling India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The producer, director and the hero of the film have met the Shioroor mathaadeedh, who is one of the ‘ashtamathaadeesh’’s of Udupi, and have agreed to remove the “objectionable” portions and songs and there was an amicable settlement of the “dispute”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is always better not to offend a group’s beliefs as long as those beliefs do not harm anybody.

    Sounds like the “Kaali Maa” beer..

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  • Anonymous

    Most confusing double meaning joke.

    A girl to her husband ‘ Aaj office jaate hee boss mujh pe chadh gaya’
    Husband ‘ kyun
    Girl ‘ woh mein ‘letgayi’ thi naa, isliye ‘

    Good morning gentlemen

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    Anonymous Reply:

    gud morning… just saw it now… gud for the afternoon too !

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  • Anonymous

    Indian democracy needs an upgrade.

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/indian-democracy-needs-an-upgrade-1.1024676

    Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has been bold enough to admit that economic reforms will have to wait till after the 2014 elections because what the government wanted to do was not acceptable to its allies. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has repeatedly said that his government has to follow the “coalition dharma”, effectively meaning that key reforms may be held up because some coalition partners don’t approve of them.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Abraham Verghese, surgeon/Professor Stanford Univ, and author (Cutting Stone, The Tennis Partner, My Own Country) on his visit back to his ancestral village in Kerala..finding God –including Vishnu/Ganesh…..

    Now I get Gopiji…

    Quite interesting article..NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/t-magazine/travel/going-on-faith-in-kerala.html..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. I have read Dr Verghese’ Cutting Stone — a great book.

    I have expressed in these blogs what Dr Verghese says ;

    ” The sense that deity actually resides there ……….this was no celestial God who one invoked…As I stood bare foot and bare chested on stone walked by millions of believers, shoulder to shoulder with people who looked like me, I felt this faith too was also my heritage, I was no interloper nor pretender here..After all, before St Thomas, my Brahmin forefathers had worshipped Vishnu, and other Gods. Some remnants of my ancestral genes resonated in harmony with the spirit flowing through this edifice…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I will catch up with Verghese. I read, “My own country…” but this one too seems interesting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju… the quotes is not from the book..

    It is from the article (Binoys link) he wrote in NY Times after his visit to his hometown in kerala

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy-

    Thanks ..”Going on faith” is a touchy nostalgic article.

    After reading that I now understand how/why Syrian Christians of Kerala are so rooted and no different from others like us, especially when I compare with the Hyderabadi Muslims here — who always want to go out on the other extreme to be different.

    His “coming to Jesus” (my usage) between his medical training and the Kerala kalari expert’s knowledge was quite revealing.

    “I had come to Kerala grasping for the sense of home, seeking blessings and absolution, seeking inspiration, looking to study again the ancestral roots. I had found material I wanted. I filled note books and taken my pictures, I had made my place with both the Hindu and Christian Gods of my ancestry – and I would travel home with a better sense of who I was and what I would be writing about…”

    I have not read any of his books. But I am eagerly looking forward to his next novel based on his this trip to India.

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  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~ WHY IT IS IMPORTANT ~~ that we were lucky to separate at Birth ~~ :) ~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    I will be lowering myself into a dug up basement… so would be off bloggin for some time. To all my friends of my donkeys… this time it is with a rather attractive client, explaining the intircacies of foundataion engineerg…!

    The planned attack ont he Indian embassy in London by Pakistanis just proves that they are incurable terrorists. I think we are lucky to be separated at birth !!

    Imagine the terror they have spread in all including young tender girls as young as 11…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Well, with attractive client in the dark depths of earth..

    Now I wish I should have put my foundation engineering and soil mechanics etc to work! May be I can still, with ND Tiwari as my Guru and leader!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    It is never too late.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Gopi

    The news is that ND Tewari is pretty happy with his macho man image at 85. He is probably planning to seduce sunny leone… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Does anyone need to seduce Sunny Leone ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    Depth of the foundation is only for civil works. There the depth too counts.
    in matters of heart, the foundation is love and depth is measured by the intensity of the emotions.
    It has nothing to do with soil mechanics. It may even recoil.

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  • Anonymous

    Will high HDL level lower the risk of heart attack?

    http://www.thehindu.com/health/policy-and-issues/article3425858.ece

    Does this means that cholesterol is not the reason for heart attack and does this also
    means that I can eat red meat without worrying about the consequences?

    Maybe doctors on our blog can throw some light on this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Try reading Dr Dean Ornish. His books on heart disease will give you a perspective which many docs dont like to give. I can tell you they are gr8 books… as he has REVERSED heart disease without surgery. Anger management, regular excercise, humour, lifestyle changes, good sleep, low calorie food, no transfats … and a LOVING heart :) . His prescriptions…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Thanks. With try to get his books.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My mother had a bit of a heart problem. She follows the book religiously. Well touchwood it has not recurrd for 10 years…

    Anonymous Reply:

    One of the things a research team is working on is heart diesaese as an engineering problem. I am an extra in this team. If we achieve success… I would love to help blogmates, whenver possible…

    Anonymous Reply:

    That will be very nice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Try following Dean ornish.

    Let me give you an alternate scenario.

    a) the more processes food goes through… the more it is likely to be harmful.

    b) Life is about birth , middle age and death. So is food. By adding preservatives we are artificially increasing the shelf life of food. However your digestive sytem is not equipped to handle preservatives. Your blood flow and the work the heart does is needlessly stressed by preservatives.

    c)There is no excercise ver invented to beat a morning walk or jog. All animals need to hunt for food. So did man… for the past 40,000 years– except the last 50. Dont discount the value of the morning sun or the walk. It is very difficult in Dubaibecasue of the heat.

    But I have actually jogged round and round the Hyatt… whenver I am there.

    d) get all your vitamins in the natural form. Super foods like amala, spirulina… should neve be discounted.

    e) Always sleep 3 hrs after you stop workign and have relaxed…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    A doctor had advised me to play some game to remain healthy. I took his advise by heart and since many years
    I regularly play rummy 5-6 hours twice a week.
    Jokes aside, I really appreciate your
    advise. Thanks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you treat heart disease as an engineering problem? Is there any possibility of structural changes to avoid heart diseases? Any possibility of retrofits as a “preventive measure” ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just adding to medical knowledge in case possible. We learn from doctors, use their skills and in case possible… try to add some knowledge there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    vague as ever.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    In my limited knowledge about High Density Lipoproteins(HDL), this is not produced in body or in food. This can be generated only by exercise, like vigrous games and/ or exercises like walking etc. HDL has kind of cleaning effect on arteries, which Low Density Lipoproteins get deposited and this HDK remove them. Hence, they are known respectively as Good holesterol and bad cholesterol. There are few books in market, which will be very helpful in life style matter, post heart attack, that will improve quality of life life even after heart attack. Incidentally, active sexula life is also favored in such cases.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Thanks VM. Appreciate your response. Regarding your advise on
    active sexual life, yes I do dream of that.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Dreaming is not enough. You should practice it. Believe me, this will help you in many ways but, not in NDT style.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the last line will certainly make Mohan smile and all of us too… !

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  • Anonymous

    SRK the Don.

    Jisko gyaarah mulko ki police dhoond rahi thi usko Wankhede ke security ne pakadaa.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Iss sankat paristhiti mein aap joke kar rahe hain?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    You have reminded me of joke and earlier Gopiji and Vijay were talking about
    N D Tiwari, which reminds of this one.

    A young boy gave a Viagra to his grandfather and tod him that if it works than
    he can pay Rs 100
    Next day his grandfather gave him rs 1000
    Boy said ‘ I had asked for Rs 100 only ‘
    grandfather ‘ your grandmother has given balance Rs 900 ‘

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  • Anonymous

    ND Tiwari can be renamed NDTV (V stands for viagra).

    Shenoy this is the comment of the month for me !

    New Delhi Teweari Viagra !

    Vindji shol annonce it the next time he is there…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Pfizer pays royalty to N D Tiwari for making Viagra famous

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you guys making assumptions N D Tiwari using viagra just because he is 85?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Does he use Shilajit ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well there is a folk song…

    Ek hath mein tel ki shishi….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps he is more focussed on the beauties than on his own performance worries – a simple trick.

    People who starts thinking of the existence of the Viagra in their thirties may have problem in their fifities ( forget about eighties ).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    If what you are saying is correct than I like his style of focusing on beauties,
    sometimes he focuses on three together and that also without their cloths on.
    And if your comment on Viagra was refering to me then I would like to inform you
    that I am not in thirties.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You got it right. The images that were available in the public domain were not that of a man on viagra.

    He was as cool as kanhaiya.

    I never thought you to be in thirties and the comment was not directed at you.

    BTW Shilajit and Dry fruits are some secrets of Afgans good performance. You get good quality SHilajit in Afganistan mountains ( if you ever need).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I am much ‘ younger’ than that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I never thought you to be having “Yes/No” problem.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    It is morning and I am feeling fresh and lively. By evening as usual I will start
    feeling my age.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Use the morning time more productively where it matters most !!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    One friend of mine… with a gr8 sense of humour has a business plan to create masks of popular models and actors to be put on the face of your partner to fuel your desire.

    Unfortunately he has not been able to get a funding agency to finance his start up– though in princple ALL venture capitalists have agreed that this is bound to be the next big thing in industry ….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Because this has no sustainable business model without any entry barrier.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    The problem with this plan is that your
    friend is only focusing on the face and
    not on the body. What would you do with
    a body of Tuntun/Manorama/Lalita Pawar with of face of Katrina Kaif.?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes, guys covered the face with a handkerchief, in this model, I am not sure how they will manage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    does he also pray for “guidance”?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, he orders them. In Congress there are
    two types of people – Ones who order and
    others who follow those orders without questioning.

  • Ravi

    Dr Anand

    Thank you for making your observations known to us. Similar observations have been made before.

    Some topics and issues, as raised by Mr Vinod Sharma, do elicit on-topic remarks and sometimes even lead to a full-fledged discussion. However, such occasions are rare.

    Partly that may be due to the REGULARS using this space as a TEA-SHOP where they can regularly meet, greet, clap their like-minded friends and abuse those holding opposing views, often conferring upon them an alien nationality and enforcing residency in locations that are difficult to find on ordinance survey maps.

    The serious and intelligent ones, who are able to sustain a discussion on the chosen topic, are fewer in numbers leaving larger space for the abusers. The REAL debaters are too busy to visit this blog and the abusers are too scared to leave.

    A Martian who may have mistakenly landed on this cyber chai ki dukan will not be wrong in concluding that it is patronised by a bunch of sad ghits who have nothing better to do with their time than to abuse each other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Regulars on this blog know that you have problem with few bloggers here.
    Whatever the reason of your ‘fights’ with them but I am sure everyone is mature
    enough to handle that in his own style which all of you are doing.
    Other than that is there a problem if others use this space as a ‘tea shop’ as you
    claim.? Many topics are discussed here and I believe this helps in enhancing the
    knowledge of the fellow bloggers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nothing wrong in discussing other topics. It’s just that new / irregular visitors find it odd, because they can not relate the comments with the topic.

    It happened to me in the beginning. I almost felt disoriented by the non related comments. It took some time before I understood the house rule here. Now I am okay.

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    Ravi Reply:

    “you have problem with a few bloggers” this pharse puts the balme on me and puts you firmly on THEIR side. This has been noted by others too.
    The reality, if you care to look at the eveidence of the last two years is very different.
    I have no objection for this blog to be treated as if it was a TEA SHOP, what did I say to create that impression in your mind that I object to discussions on any other topic other than that which is set by Vinod Sharma.
    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Aap Baal ki khaal nikaal rahe ho.
    Maybe I was not able to put my point across properly but I was definitely not trying
    put blame on you or anyone else. Sorry if you felt that way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi when the topic was Deva Anand… who diverted it to Modi Modi rape rape,
    Arre see each and every blog and the deliberate foisting of the jehadi agenda by trolls…

    Ravi Reply:

    Once again I accuse you of not reading what I wrote and understanding even less.
    I suggest you go back and read my response to Dr Anand and Mohan. I mean read it not just scan and imagine what I said and then attack it.

    ________________________________

  • Anonymous

    Why dogs don’t marry ?
    Because they are already living a dog’s life.

    Good morning friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr. Anand,

    With due respect is there a problem if different topics are discussed other than the
    topic which Mr. Sharma has written ?

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  • Anonymous

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What was vague?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry. That was a comment on one of Vijay’s reply on Heart Disease. It appeared here as a solo comment.

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  • Anonymous

    An older couple were lying in bed one night. The husband was falling asleep but the wife was in a romantic mood and wanted to talk.

    She said: “You used to hold my hand when we were courting”.

    Wearily he reached across, held her hand for a second and tried to get back to sleep.

    A few moments later she said: “Then you used to kiss me”.

    Mildly irritated, he reached across, gave her a peck on the cheek and settled down to sleep.

    Thirty seconds later she said: “Then you used to bite my Neck…”.

    “Angrily, he threw back the bed clothes and got out of bed.

    “Where are you going?” she asked..
    xx
    xx
    xx
    xx
    xx
    “To get my teeth!”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Great joke. The day is not far when we all will reach this stage.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Faith can make you do anything.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mangalore/Women-perform-nude-worship-near-Tumkur/articleshow/13310534.cms

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    this happened in a village just two hours away from Bangalore.

    My information is that most men came to see whether they can see through the neem leaves tied to the body at strategic places.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As long as no one is harassing or taking any undue advantage of
    these ladies, than there is no problem in believing whatever someone
    wants to believe.

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  • Anonymous

    @ PathakG

    I guess you may find the comment on heart disease, vague. I am honour bound not go disclose further than this on a public platform till the team presents a paper.

    All I can say is Dr Dean Ornish is a pioneer in recogising that the psychological and physical state of the body is a great indicator on how your heart functions. Brilliant work has been done by other doctors on devising means of treating blockages and repacing valves.

    We are in a small way trying to create a scenario where the peak efficiecny of the heart is maintained through a set of heart specific physcial and psycholiigical excercies, and also analysing specific foods which cause the damage.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are acting like our CAG. Raise the storm. Once questioned , take the pretense of the dignity of the CAG office. If you are honour bound, then don’t even raise it in a press meet prematuredly.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    At least I can press meet and blog meet. Our dunce pricne runs away from the press …

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice juxtapositioning…. Reflected glory, huh !

    Anonymous Reply:

    some tenacity!! Still batting for making India another cuba, north Korea, somalia….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    For your phobia, you need to do Sirshasan everyday as Shenoy says.

    Or, Vimhans.

    Take your pick.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hum nein… Power, position aur paise
    ke liye

    Kabhi asoolon ko nahin sacrifice kara
    Kabhi talwe nahi chaate
    Kabhi nauker nahin banein !

    Anonymous Reply:

    There are ways to deal with people suffering from vertigo and their relentless ramblings.

    They are usually hung upside down from a height.

    It takes few hours only to correct the problem.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Is this how the Congress got its fauj of dynasty worshippers?

    Would really have been good fun to see all congressis hanging upside down in front of the AICC office!

    Good cartoon…but siBBal of 2B would have banned it !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    You must have observed that Pathakji bristles if anybody calls the prince a dunce, just when they are about to install him as the next PM of India.

    We must understand him and the position he is in.
    Paapi pet kaa savaal hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is it so Pathak G? Would you feel proud that even the farcical republic of Paksitan will now beak free from dynastic succession and get in Imran Khan… while chamchas and sycophants will want India to be a faield democracy but a successfull naukercy?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You leave “naukery” of your clients, turn them your naukar, then see the magic.

    Else, keep singing songs in the company of the donkeys.

    After all, it’s your naukery, isn’t it ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clients give me money. They dont force themselves on me. They have not captured a national jewel like the Indian antional congress and made it into a pvt ltd comapny with Qoutrochchi as a director.

    Dynasites take money from me… my country is stolen for a family.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clients don’t force themselves on you !

    Instead they give you money to buy your willingness !!

    Ghor Kaliyug !!!

    [ Looks like engineering is no more a paying profession ! ]

  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Anand

    Welcome back !! Where have you been . You know many a people tried to hijack this blgo to a pro jehadi agenda to undermine India from inside. Most of them have been defeatd badly.

    At times we do divert to other topics. But then the main topic comes back once a while…

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  • Anonymous

    First MP, now Karnataka, can Gujarat be far ?

    Attacked Karnataka government auditor SP Mahantesh dies in hospital

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Attacked-Karnataka-government-auditor-SP-Mahantesh-dies-in-hospital/articleshow/13311883.cms

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    You are right in saying that BJP run states are worst in India. I have never
    heard of such incidents in any other state.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    When you hear, please post here for our benefit.

    We will make a head count.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    http://indiainteracts.in/videos/83388/CONGRESS-MLA-CLASHES-WITH-LOCALS.html

    http://www.travelindia-guide.com/india-news/index.php/2011/03/mumbai-congress-mlas-son-got-paid-5-5-crore-from-2g-scam-accused/

    http://www.telugudesam.org/tdpcms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=20476%3ACase+booked+against+Vijayawada+Congress+MLA+Malladi+Vishnu&Itemid=18

    http://article.wn.com/view/2012/04/20/SP_MLA_thrashes_man_to_grab_land/

    Anonymous Reply:

    Apple vs. Oranges…

    Please check each one of them individually.

    Else, ask your search engine to do a knowledge bases search, not key word based.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Apple and oranges – at least both are fruits.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, actually the corruption related deaths in BJP ruled states is like peanuts compared to the jack fruits in congress ruled states and centre.

    Anonymous Reply:

    now we know why your wife fights so often!

    [ ek hi baat nehi hai ! Kab samjhoge ? ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    All fun will go away from our life if we stop fighting. And I understood what you were trying to say that is why I
    tried to change the subject.
    I have learnt this trick on this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice beginning. Though long way to go.

    Come to think of it, people should stay focussed on their core competency.

    One must not doubt one’s own capability.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, Pathak, others
    India will lose its rivers due to illegal sand mining! Why are the laws not enforced there?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/indias-illegal-sand-mining-fuels-boom-ravages-rivers/2012/

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    a1

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Binoy

    The link is not working. I thought cleaning up the sand — desilting is a normal process which helps the river mainatin its depth. Normally this is done in the dry season.

    harm to rivers happens in case embankments and carthcments areas are destroyed. Would love to read this aritcle.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    Hindustan Times has lead a charge today of getting in dynastic succession and forcing MMS to resign. Is it a signal from Sonia mata to get in RahulG or Raabert G ?

    The survey says India needs a young PM and Rahul is the only young man around. :) :)

    Of course this is all on page one.

    Deep inside pg 18 is a small part of the survey which says 39% people want NDA/BJP as compared to 24% wanting Congress/UPA. That is nt being highlighted…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are losing at a such young age !

    You can’t even read headlines straight !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know… I have lost everything.

    Only naukercy has won :)

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    No wonder you spend 7 hours with donkeys these days !

    Hazards of naukeracy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Having spent time with donkeys I have also learnt how to make the spinal cord supple enough to wriggle out of of any situation– physically and metaphocrically…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never create a situation that you have to find ways and means to wriggle out, eventually.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well in russia in -39 deg temperature… many a russian has got stuck in the wrong place… becasue fo contraction. Fairly common affliction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank God, you are a lucky Indian.

    Anonymous Reply:

    yes plus 48 temperatures can only result in melting… not contraction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    What else do you expect?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    NO I did not expect anything different. I thought with our debate on India moving away from dynastic sycophancy to real democracy — on this blog– maybe Vindo Sharma ji as editor, would get influenced to do the same for the newspaper’s policy

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  • Anonymous

    WHY THIS RAPE CHARGE OF PAUMERBAUCH MAY BE FAKE !

    Having spent a little time in Indian 5 star hotels… at times right till morning, I have some idea of what goes on.

    There are bunches of girls whom we call ranga siyaars. They are Indian… but dyed blondes. They hang round the discos… but have money to book the hotel rooms for ‘pleasures ‘

    In case the right amount of money is not given… they start shouting rape rape… police police… media media….

    Indians being Indians will swallow anthing a pretty girls says in English.

    In this very hotel, a fomous cricketer had almost been trapped in a similar fashion, with rogue inspectors of Delhi Police also involved, who managed to drop in at the “right’ moment when the shout of rape was just being emnated. The inspector boasted that he made 3 lakhs in one hour. I had met the inspector becasue he had tried to impliate a friend of mine — of molestation– when the poor guy was just having a normal fight with his girlfriend.

    Bada ajeeb desh hai hamara…
    .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    There are both types.
    Some of the complaints are genuine. You remember the case of this big shot IMF guy (French) who raped a cleaning lady in his hotel in New York? Initially everybody said she was setting him up/lying…but it proved untrue…Later there was news that he used to rape women all over!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    If not caught perhaps he old have Ben president of France .

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, you are right.
    But France does not look down on these things like other countries!

    Anonymous Reply:

    That was the other end of the spectrum ! I think the sexual revolution is now showing in the leadership Europe has.

    Cherie Blair’s nude paintings, Berloscuni’s orgies, Carla Bruni’s nude phtogrpahs… the shengianins of IMF guy who nearly became president…

    Anonymous Reply:

    He could not lift his pants up fast enough.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 one !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    There is definately more to it than meets the eye. When Paumerbach was taken by the girl to the room, they first knocked for some time. Then one couple came out… and then these two went in. Seems it was a room booked for “fun.”

    Further the girl is giving the predictable strories of innocent women being stalked, molested by lustfull man. Predictable noise for upping the ante on money settlement. She even went to the NCW. ( sister organistation of NCM, where Vinod Sharmaji also judges)

    Gopi…some of today’s urban girls are real leeches. You would have read the story fo Simran sood another IPL hanger out at parties who murdred two of her lovers… for cars…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Yes, some girls are scheming!

    You stay out of those, my boy! We have high hopes for u!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Gopi !

    Your words really propel me !

    Anonymous Reply:

    stay close by, but not inside the ring.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He had sex all over.
    If a french man does not indulge in sex, he is barely alive. If he indulges, he is considered to be healthy. They do not have moral binding on these issues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    f this girl had screamed, “rape, rape, Modi, Modi:, there would have been a virtual bank-rolling of her “campaign”.

    Yes, you are right. It now emerges that there were four others, who were actually “invited” to the Injured innocent”’s room.

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  • Anonymous

    where is Manohar these days?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I am wondering too. I hope everything is fine with him.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes I hope he is okay.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Gopi, Vijay Kumar,

    when the going gets tough, the un-tough go down.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    If he is staying away because he has had enough, I will understand.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know trolls trying to get in Modi Modi rape rape… even when the subject is debate in Parliament is enough to sicken anybody…

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Here is a perfect example. Well actually a couple.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is a man enough to face

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    But, still, a Pakistani jihadi prop must be great to have.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am in Bangalore not Banglahore

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t you try to meet Shenoy ?
    I am sure you both can sort out the differences
    if you both meet .

    Ravi Reply:

    Ha ha. Your best joke yet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He must have received his just deserts.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    That is not the Manohar we know. He can easily face any challenge.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I am convinced he can face challenges. Constant flow of drudge can get any one down.

  • Anonymous

    Crazy to flag binoy’s comment. It was about rivers of india…

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Rivers in India are quite controversial these days…

    Chennai/Bangalore: A day after raising the Cauvery water sharing issue, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa on Sunday took on Karnataka over yet another river issue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Indian politicians thrive on controversies.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    It show cases their Power.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    When are you going back to London ? Why don’t
    you come over to Dubai for few days on your way back?

    Ravi Reply:

    Thanks for the invite.

    I would have enjoyed that, however being away for 3 weeks, (two for work in Bangalore and One for Holiday in Gurgaon) is already more than the family would allow.

    However, I will take a rain-check this time and one day might knock on your door.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    It will be nice if you try to spare a day or two. I am sure it will be a fun if a
    ‘Sanghi” and a ” Jehadi” spend some
    time together.

    Anonymous Reply:

    would be realy gr8!l

    Ravi Reply:

    And may I ask who is “Sanghi” and who “Jihadi”?

    Anonymous Reply:

    That also we will decide when we meet.

    Ravi Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are our Munna Bhai in Dubai !

    Anonymous Reply:

    I blame our “constitution drafters” for this miserable situation of water sharing.

    They focused so much on “dividing” Indians /categorizing them, leaving important stuff like rivers that flow through this great country!

    Cauvery issue started almost from the beginning of the republic. The perennial issue with Mullaperiyar dam here (between Kerala and Tamil Nadu)) started sixty years ago.

    And the whole California agriculture, the whole Hoover Dam generating electricity to cool Arizona state comes from Colorado river! How did they do that? Did our Ambedkar et al check that out? May be if they had checked that constitution they would not have worried too much about reservation of categories of people, but made sure resources such as river water are for every body in the country

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    May be while drafting the constitution Mr. Ambedkar did not
    take human nature into account. Where we abhor sharing anything with our own brothers and sisters how can we
    be expected to share ‘our’ resources with people from other
    states.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    U r right to some extent. However the const drafters could not dictate behaviour..they can enact starting laws.

    They should have drafted that rivers are nation’s assets and parliament will be the sole authority..no monkey business like Tamil Nadu wont give water to Karnataka

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    And now if anyone even gives a hint of changing the constitution all hell will break loose.

    Ravi Reply:

    Constitutions are best left alone.

    Changing them harms more than it cures.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    If it is for the overall good for the country than it is worth
    a look.

    Ravi Reply:

    Remember the cartoon by Shankar, depicting Ambedkar riding a snail and Nehru whipping the snail to hurry it up.

    It was drawn for a reason. Changing constitutions are a very painful process and requires 70+%age support from the both the houses of Parliament.

    How likely is that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He should have made constitution keeping federalists in mind. Too bad Advani was busy in writing filmy slogans those days. He could have moonlighted.

  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    I am in the middle of a small party at my house. But a bright idea gets me back on the net…

    Ravi is in Bangalore. And Shenoy is already having a clothign unit there. So I think for the sake of Peace, Shenoy should get ready a dozen pair of Khaki Nikker and kali topi for the guest from overseas. After all Athiti Devo bhavo…

    And Ravi already sporting his walrus and the pic of his guru in the profile should wear the dress the host has presented to him while moving around India…

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Since when have Muridke/Tora Bora being classed as “overseas”??

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  • Ravi

    Guess who killed Karnataka official SP Mahantesh !!!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    your timing in Bangolore gives rise to suspician…

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Precisely…next target is in Noida

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks woud love to meet u there!! With my donkeys as my fiirst circle of defence

    Ravi Reply:

    I will bring my naukars with me.

    Naukars VS Donkeys, now that is a context worth watching.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Donkeys can kick powerfully… in the balls… so naukers watch out…

    Ravi Reply:

    Naukars can take Donkeys to abattoirs, so better watch out

    ________________________________

  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~~ PAKISTAN BANS TWITTER… OVER CARTOONS LIKE SIbbA L
    —————————————————————————————————————————————————————-

    Pakistan blocks Twitter over Prophet Mohammed cartoons: Officials

    Agence France Presse | Updated: May 20, 2012 18:25 IST

    Islamabad: Pakistan on Sunday blocked Twitter over a competition to make caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed on the social networking site, officials told AFP.

    “The website has been banned by Ministry of Information Technology and the decision was conveyed to us. There was blasphemous material on Twitter,” said Mohammad Younis Khan, spokesman for Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA).

    Asked about the nature of the “blasphemous” content, Mr Khan said there had been a planned competition to “post caricatures of Prophet Mohammed”.

    An official from the ministry said it had requested several times that no such competition be put on Twitter but the website had failed to respond.

    Islam strictly prohibits the depiction of any prophet as blasphemous. Muslims across the globe staged angry protests over the publication of satirical cartoons of Mohammed in European newspapers four years ago.

    In 2008, a suicide attack outside the Danish embassy in Islamabad killed eight people. Al-Qaeda claimed the attack to avenge the cartoons.

    Pakistan blocked Facebook and YouTube in mid-2010 because of similar “blasphemous” content.

    For NDTV Updates, follow us on Twitter , Facebook , Google+ and Pinterest

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Screw extremists!

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay-

    I had problems in posting the link. here is the news about dredging sand and ******** up the rivers!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/indias-illegal-sand-mining-fuels-boom-ravages-rivers/2012/05/19/gIQA3HzdaU_story.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    This is a major major problem. Even a “forward” state like Kerala is affected by this. The “Bharatha Puzha (river)” is only a small stream now..
    The sand dredging has to stop. Substitute building materials should be used in construction.

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  • Anonymous

    Good morning friends.

    An unfaithful man thinks of another woman when he sleeps with his wife

    While

    A faithful man thinks of his own wife when he sleeps with another woman.

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  • Ravi

    Sonipat gangrape victim a dalit

    Four upper cast members of Sonipat Khap abuducted an 18 year old dalit university student and then gangraped her in a field nearby.

    What is it about these upper caste Hindu Men that they think they can abduct any dalit girl they like and rape her at will. They always seem to leave girls from their own community un-touched.

    Such incidents occur with monotonous regularity, many are not reported and yet more are not even registered by the police.

    Is this some kind of organised Sex Dharam Yudh that is being waged ???

    Vijay, I did manage to get Modi and Rape, but sorry they are in two different posts. Have a word with your donkey.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Raping is bad. Ultimately hindu police will catch them and a hindu judge will give them prison under Indian laws.

    Unlike the protection the Pakistani people gave to the rapists and sex abusers of underafe tender flowers, the white British girls….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Absolute balderdash, pure hogwash.

    British police catches these miscreants quickly and British Justice puts them behind bars promptly. You last onsided totally unsustainable outbursts on the Pakistani cases was due to reports from the British court.

    The Khap community protects its boys just as much as the local Pakistani community does in Rochdale and Carlisle.

    Raping is bad, but you only see Pakistani rapes and never ever metion Dalit rapes.

    Is that because you support Sex Dharam Yudh.

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He doesn’t have wherewithal for that DharamYudh !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pathak

    What is ur Congress police doing in Haryana?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps joined hands with upper caste like elsewhere.

    Ravi Reply:

    Isn’t that the NORM

  • Ravi

    Sleeping with the enemy

    Just saw on the TV Mr Modi addressing RSS fundraisers in the USA and Canada. Rather provocatively he heaped large dollops of praise on China.

    It was noticeable that he mentioned Gujarat and China Partnership rather than India and China Partnership. This in my view is a dangerous trend, which is sowing the seeds which may blossom into dis-integration of India as we know it and love it.

    Nothing would please China more if various regions were to declare UDI from the federation of India. A broken India is less of a threat.

    Then again what would have one expected from a political dim wit and a megalomaniac.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Beautifull !! Only you could have detected that people who talked about akhand Bharat… and Nehru’s capitualation on Tibet want to actually join China !!

    Hai Ram ! Hai Rabba !!!

    This Modi factory certainly needs new script writers :)

    Sadly as industrial production levels in COngress states fall.. it all becasue the Congress leadership has asked its Naukers in poliitcs and press to have only one type fo industrial production– Modi rumours !

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    Ravi Reply:

    That was Zen this is Now

    ________________________________

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right about China’s desires.

    But let us not split hair about what Modi said or did not say.

    I wish if all CMs were aggressive in courting foreign investment and upgrading citizens’ lives.

    Mohan has written about a village in Gujrat a few messages down. I wish more villages could be like that.

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  • Anonymous

    Plucky vegetable seller off to labour conference in Brazil.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/plucky-vegetable-seller-off-to-labour-conference-in-brazil-1.1025443

    Excerpts.

    Mumbai: Vegetable seller Salma is an activist for the rights of the city’s street vendors and has been jailed many times. Now the 26-year-old is going to an international conference in Brazil to speak about Indian domestic workers, labourers and hawkers

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  • Anonymous

    A village in Gujarat that puts metros to shame!

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/A-village-that-puts-metros-to-shame/articleshow/13309567.cms

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Wonderful! Just imagine if every district puts an objective of 10 villages like that per year..

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  • Anonymous

    More stuff from Delhi heat — how to keep ur enthu high:
    ———————————————————————

    I have to spend the next few hours in a dusty and very hot construction site. Besides my james bond shades, my cricket cap… and my enthusiastic team… I need to have this one bright spot. So let me psychoanalyse myself and pep up the day to look for a fruit at the end of it, which would make it worthwhile

    — A tennis game ? no… its too hot…

    — More ping pong on naukercy? That I’d do anyway…

    — A beer? well there was a party yesterday…
    Then

    Then…

    A SWIM !!!

    got it !!

    Sorry guys for thinking aloud. just needed that injection of pep to see the day thru…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    “…just needed that injection of pep to see the day thru…”

    No wonder you remember viagra popping characters so often !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Hope the swim helped….
    We are adding to the heat by dredging sand and making rivers die.
    What about the building material issue mentioned Binoy’s link few messages down?

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    With so many other pressing issues, cases, and safety matters, Mumbai police going after party goers in OakWoods hotel, is an abomination..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopji,

    All these party goers are from rich families. Nice way for police to make some money.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Should Mumbai Police wait for some remarkable event to happen ?

    Perhaps they should start ignoring traffic violations, eve teasing, bootlegging… they are too small.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    They should go after all the crimes in your second para.

    But not after private partying of grown up adults that does not harm others.

    The problem is that they (police in general, not just Mumbai; Delhi is also notorious) do not go after crimes – like illegal mining, sand dredging (a link is put by hegde about how it is ravaging india’s rivers..) etc etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Using drugs is simply illegal. Doing it collectively is even a bigger offence ( like watching porn collectively ).

    Anonymous Reply:

    So, are we going to arrest people who watch porn…
    “simply illegal??” — 2G, Adarsh, Jagan Reddy, simply illegal…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Arrest them who watch in public collectively.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Drugs would be bad but… Indians are a bit like filmakers of the 70’s/

    First they will show a full cabaret of Helen or Bindu… make the audience salivate and get it soaring!! 1

    Then the filmaker would suddenly tell the audience … yeh sab kuch dekh luya… but all this is bad… narak ki duniya !!

    That is what the Indian media does. first show the cababret…get the TRPs and then gove a moral judgement… bahut burra bahut burra… chi chi…

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  • Anonymous

    Why did Mamta say that she cannot support Pranab Mukerjee for President ? Is there a deal between her and 10 Janpath ? Could be… and must be something significant in return ? After all she is risking her own popularity in West Bengal and at a time when things are not exactly going her way.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    She did say a few weeks ago that she will support Pranab.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    As I had informed you that this Zoel hameed girl is a ranga Siyarr (blonde dyed jackal),

    Already links with the Congress have surfaced and Abhishek varma has claimed her to be his “rakhi” sister. Abhishek verma is a famous dahla– a minaiture Amar Singh– and child of COngress MPs making money thru defence deals.

    Further this girl has called another IPL player a “dark skinny Indian.”

    Well only we Indians tolerate a possible C Girl operating a den from a five star and then crying “rape rape’ to make money thru blackmail.

    She would probably take 1 or 2 crores from Mallya for settlement and then again pose as an innocent wronged woman and want a role in Big Boss or a Mahesh Bhatt movie.

    Unfortunately this happens to be the morality of our New times.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    U r right– Mahesh Bhatt, the low life, will give her a role!
    btw what happened to his son’s connection with the terrorist from chicago (the guy who did the scouting work for 11/26)

    Did congress wipe that clean (obviosuly Digryodhan mentioned the RSS/11-26 connection)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now he is writing a role for Kasab as anti-hero, his innocent baby son as the hero, Headley as the villain and RSS as the anti-national terrorist group plotting to kill his hero son.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sunny Leone and Veena Malik will also play the leading roles
    in this film.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    What you say may be true as even I have heard of such incidents when
    police appear dramatically at the scene.
    By the way in this case this guy Pomersbach has confessed to his crime.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Does it matter ?

    You are unfairly trying to dilute Vijay’s hypothesis. You know the kind of thought goes into his assertions.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi,

    This morning you had posted about Modi addressing RSS fundraisers in US and
    Canada and his praise of China. Were you referring to this article ? I do not
    see any reference to RSS fundraisers in this article.

    Narendra Modi praises China before US non-resident Gujaratis.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Narendra-Modi-praises-China-before-US-non-resident-Gujaratis/articleshow/13323200.cms

    Excerpts from this article.

    Gujarat is becoming the automobile hub of Asia. Today, I want to proudly say that there is no single vehicle in the country of which the parts are not manufactured in the state and exported and used to make vehicles,” he asserted.

    He also spoke about milk industry’s growth. “The milk production has been increased by 68% in the state in the last decade. I can proudly say today that the Delhi government won’t get tea unless Gujarat provides milk to it,” Modi gushed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is his usual mode..bring RSS in on eevrything!

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Not much different from others here, you included, blaming everything on Islam.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    In that case you need to acquaint yourself with Hindu Organisations active in the US and how they operate.

    I am not denying the progress that Gujarat has made and I admire Modi’s dhanda bazi.

    What I did mention, which you seem to have studiously avoided is that he referred to Gujrat’s relationship with China.

    Note Gujarat and not India. China encourages him in that, because it puts a gap between Gujarat and India. This is diluting the federation even as it is strengthening Gujarat.

    That may be acceptable to some, it is not acceptable to me. Hence my comment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I was just asking whether you were referring to the article of which
    I have posted the link or it was some other article as I did not see
    any mention of RSS fundraisers. I noted what you were saying
    about Modi that he should talk about India China partnership and
    not about Gujarat China. You may think that he is sowing the seeds
    of dis-integration, but I think you are letting your imagination run
    wild.. Here he is talking as a CM of Gujarat
    and and I don’t see anything wrong in what he said about
    Gujarat-China friendship as a CM of Gujarat. If he was PM of the country than even I would have found this objectionable. You are
    entitled to your opinion but I think your views are too far fetched in
    this case.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    yu will get the link in islamicjihad.org

    Ravi Reply:

    I was referring to a TV report from this morning which I watched in my hotel in BangLahore.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There must be some mistake. Shenoy didn’t watch the programme. I guess Shenoy is from Bangalore.

    Ravi Reply:

    He suffers from selective perception

    Anonymous Reply:

    when people like Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi have stopped talking about India out of shame, we must appreciate Modi speaking about his state with pride.

    When Modi speaks with justifiable pride about Gujarat’s achievements and growth, UPA government is declaring in the USA that there is no reforms and growth is stagnant!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    we should treat this fake as a weepy jihadi, never failing to resort to his “Modi, Modi, RSS, RSS, 5000 rapes” kind of carping criticism.

    Gujarat can legitimately take pride in being the milk man to the nation.

    It is a different matter that Sonia Gandhi, after learning that her morning tea is made from Gujrat milk, has asked her mother in Italy to airlift 100 litres of Italian cow milk every week.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Please note.

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  • Anonymous

    news on the Ganges Cleanup project– He says it is very complex, risky..but is optimistic

    http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/21/ganges-cleanup-will-cost-tens-of-billions-of-dollars-but-is-a-great-idea/

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    It seems to be a good project but will our politicians stay away from such
    project where huge money is involved. I am sure they would have already
    started planning about how to spend this money on themselves.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Will wait for the opinion of Mr Vijay kumar, the resident Civil/Environmental Engineer!

    [Reply]

  • Ravi

    Mahantesh’s Death Should not be ignored

    In a BJP ruled state, where we all know there is NO CPRRUPTION because it is being ruled by the BJP, we have an EX-Chief Minister, who is desperately trying to regain his lost position. He presides over a very large VOTE BANK (LINGYATS) – who previously have been Congress Supporters and recently have changed their allegiance to BJP.

    Now the rotten core of the BJP is being exposed bit by bit and it appears this political party is just as corrupt as any other party.

    It is to stop Mahantesh from exposing further corrupt scandals that the Politically Powerful of Banglahore have bumped him off.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let us hope a fair investigation/punishment will happen.

    While not a solace or excuse, the whole politically induced elimination started with Srimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi – All officers, including the CBI chief investigator Kashyap who were looking into the Nagarwala 60 lakh RS investigation were killed!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I agree with you that proper investigation should be done and culprits should
    be caught and punished. It should not matter whether that person is Yedurppa, Gowda, Gadkari or Advani. Ravi, do you really believe that such things only happen in BJP run states.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    On the contrary the resident Hindu Fundo Shin Shinaky Blabber Mouth never tires from telling us as to how free from corruption the BJP is.

    All I am trying to do is point out that the BJP is just as corrupt, morally as well as financially, as most other political parties in India are including the Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree at a macro level.

    BJP is less corrupt at a micro level, not because they are holier than thou, but they just do/did not have as many opportunities like Congress!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopji,

    I agree with you that BJP did not have many opportunities.

    Aadmi shareef tab tak hai jab tak usey baimani karne
    ka mauka nahin milta.

    Ravi Reply:

    Then it is my turn to say I agree with you.

    But to kill an honest officer who was doing only his job is in a different league.

  • Anonymous

    Police escort team ‘caught consuming liquor’ at gangster’s house
    -

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/police-escort-team-caught-consuming-liquor-at-gangsters-house-booked/951858

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Thanks very much for the link. I have never heard anything of this sort happening in India. I am shocked how Modi has allowed this thing
    to happen in his state Gujarat. He has compromised the security of our
    country. Modi should be booked for treason and hanged.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you are getting detached from your motherland.

    Take him on a vacation then see how you will get to hear more spicy stuff.

    You have a guest room for him ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Am I allowed to get upset sometimes ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Go ahead. India is a democratic country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It happens everywhere – I can confirm this for Delhi, Haryana and Rajsthan.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Your discomfiture with progressive Gujrat under the leadership of Modi is understandable. I wish, all the CMs of India should become as industrious as him. Looking at the paralysis at center, we need active persons. No threat to our set up.
    One more thing, your Hindu phobia is very disconcerting and I will certainly say that Islamophobia, world over has some justification but Hindu Phobia?? that is news even for Hindus. Yes, Hindus’ cultural superiority is making relentless progress world over and world is taking notice of it in the same vein as it is being made aware of draw backs of rigid islam.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    pankaj-

    Ravi is the “Fox news ” of USA – “fair and balanced’ !

    He wants every coverage of Islamic jihad to be “balanced” with an offset Hindu/RSS view.

    So with the news of Paksitani men arrested for sexually abusing a young white girl -

    “well, others also do it”
    “well Indians do it too’

    etc etc… Nothing stands alone in his world!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Thank you Binoy. I could not have put it better myslef.

    Though I know you mean it as an insult, I shall wear it as a badge of honour.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Binoy;
    Yes, what ever you have said is being observed by most of us since long.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I do believe that you did not read what I wrote in response to Mohan. If you did, then you missed my main point. I guess that is deliberate.

    I can understand why you may conclude that I hold a Hindu Phobia. My reason is and has always been to point out that most misdemeanours committed by individuals have more basic motives as sex, greed, etc.

    However, there are many here who rush to blame Islam in such a way which suggests that THEY are ALL bad and WE the Hindus are ALL good.

    Nothing, absolutely nothing can be further from the truth. I therefore present examples from India to counter balance Islamophobia of others. In the process I may come across as Hindu Phobe.

    However, please you continue to believe what your instincts tell you. It is no skin off my vulpine nose.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Actually you are creating Islamophobia all over the world. By hiding the crimes of forcible conversion, the denial of women’s right in present day Islam the pretence of victimhood– even among perpetuators of terror breeds hatred.

    Ravi if you change… then you shoulld become the agent of change among jehadi brothers.

    But I guess you are only programmed to find fault with Hindus nder instructions of Muridke :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is so absurd that it is laughable

    Anonymous Reply:

    Look into the mirror. Even on this site… many people would have a bad opinion of Islam becasue of you.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    thanks for not labeling me as Sanghi at this point at least. Why you are not comfortable with alternate views of people as Binoy, Gopi, Vinay and other such persons. Your noke Jhonk with certain people is understandable but when you start telling Binoy, Gopi and others as Sanghi, which you have done many times, then, whether you lose some skin from some body part or not, certain doubt is definitely raised about your motives. Defending Islam from unfounded criticism is good, even I have praised Islam for some of its good points but that does not take away the fact that present Islam, as practiced by majority of Muslims has lot of drawbacks in modern society.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What doubt is raised when these very people label me as Jihadi for no reason other than because I hold alternative views.

    I would exclude Gopi from this, but Binoy has labelled me Jihadi before though not lately.

    I have never ever, ever, ever labelled Vinay as anything after our first encounter some two years ago.

    I totally disagree with you. You along with others here is exagerating RADICAL Islam totally out of proportion. It is an acknowledged fact that Saudi backed Islamic sect is fanning terrorism.

    In that respect I firmly believe that Radical Hiduism is similar, difference is only a matter of opportunity, theater and effectiveness.

    Anonymous Reply:

    for this fake Ravi, even Shoeb is a sanghi!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is he not ? He comes out pretty strong in favour of BJP,RSS,Modi etc.

    Mohan openly says he is a sanghi or matter of fact you too and we never had any issue with that .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are right.

    This fake sardar has gone bonkers in his hatred for Hindus and Hinduism.

    In UK a dozen Pakistani Muslims are convicted for white racially induced child rapes, but this Hindu hater has to bring India into the picture and say it happens in India too!

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  • Anonymous

    @ .Pathak G

    Kyin brother aajkal Viagra badi yaad aa rahi hai?

    Arre bhaiya… a desi way would be to do Ramdev Pranyam and get your vital organ in Kapal Bharti. Then apply good quality mustard oil pure from the field…

    You will then say wahe guru Ramdev, wahe guru

    Instead of viagra… viagra…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viagra …tum yaad kar rahe ho…hum nehi.
    Har roz, tumhare posting mein viagra hota hai….

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Show me one posting …. !! where i would have mentioned viagra….

    Of course a glass of milk… a smile… a romantic joke… a clear head… would beat all viagra…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you are sounding like Dolly Bindra.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well if dolly bindra smiles at you… even a kilo of Viagra will not do the trick…

  • Anonymous

    @Ravi

    ————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ APNA GHAR SAAF KARO ~~~ THEN comment on India ~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————-

    Historic Hindu temple vandalised in Pakistan

    Press Trust of India | Updated: May 21, 2012 11:05 IST

    Islamabad: Unidentified men yesterday vandalised a historic Hindu temple in Peshawar city of northwest Pakistan that was reopened on the orders of a court last year, police officials and local residents said.

    The attackers burnt pictures and damaged a shiv ling inside Gorakhnath Temple and took away idols from the shrine located within an archaeological complex in Gor Gathri area, leaders of the Hindu community said.

    The shrine’s custodian told the media that this was the third attack on the temple in the past two months.

    Oz: Hindu Temple alleges repeated vandalism
    When police officers visited the temple to probe the incident, Hindu leaders urged them to put in place better security measures to prevent such incidents.

    The temple’s custodian told police that he had seen a group of eight men inside the temple when he arrived there at 6.30 pm.

    The men started burning pictures and holy books before fleeing with some idols, he said.

    Members of the minority Hindu community rushed to the temple.

    Footage on television showed burnt papers and utensils lying strewn on the floor of the temple.

    The 160-year-old temple was reopened for Hindus last year on the orders of the Peshawar High Court.

    It has been closed since Partition.

    The temple was reopened after Phool Wati, the daughter of the shrine’s cleric, petitioned the High Court.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    he will come back with, “but what about the three Hindu boys who threw pork at the mosque in hyderabad”

    or the mother of all “what about Babri”

    or he will say South Indian Hindu kings destroyed Hindu temples..

    and if none of this works, he will bring in devdasis!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know that !! That is why Paksitan does nto change. They never look inside… Always in denial mode…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Well done Binoy.

    Ever thought of applying to Fox news for a job.

    You will fit right in.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    My randomiser is not working today, or else I would have been able to construct incoherence to match yours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Beleive me if Pakistanis get out of the deniel mode… the world would change. Even the drones would stop. But they wont…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ APNA GHAR SAAF KARO ~~~ THEN comment on India ~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————-

    Vijay,

    This should have been :

    ————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ APNA GHAR SAAF KARO ~~~ THEN comment on Pakistan or other countries ~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————-

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    A third class ranga siyaar… calls and Indian dark and skinny… and you find her okay?

    Brother… you can see many of these fake blondes and ranga siyaars at discos and parties. And in this case… I can certainly say that there is a huge hanky panky.

    First Luke and ranga syaar knock on the eoom door. Then a couple gets out after much knocking,

    Then Zoel hameed and Luke get inside the room and lock it up from inside.

    Pathak G due think they have gone inside to diiscuss the election strategy of Digivnash ji?

    No… Luke thinks he is going to get ranga syaar for free. Ranga syaar puts in a demand of 2 lakh…

    And then when luke refuses… she cries rape rape… call the NCW… call the UN…

    One day later Ranga syaar says, ” Dirty Indian… dark and skinny… I want out of court settlement… maybe 2 crores…”

    Meanwhile her dahlas are hinting for Big boss producers and mahesh Bhatt…

    While her own price has jumped up…. in the market.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know she is a third class ranga siyaar?

    Did you try ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well… there are many hanging in Maurya. Congress Dahal Abhishek varma vouches for her character. It is like getting a character certificate from Dawood ibrahim.

    You can reconstruct the sequence of events and see that it was a fixup.

    One of my friends was trapped this way. The basic idea was the amount of money. If Luke had 50 K or so nothing would have happened.

    I went there to rescue a friend once. The cop — an inspector boasted that a famous test cricketer– had to shell out 5 lkhs — 3 for the cops, 2 for the girl.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are many loafers hang around there. Does that mean I would brand you as one without any valid reason ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well her stroy seems fake from top to bottom. She would have probably promised consensual sex and then suddenly sprung up the surprise of hard cash.

    Wait and watch… how she would suddenly start appearing on TV defending Indian motherhood… after an out of court settlement of a few crores.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If I go by your approach to this story, then there are many things I must start discounting about you and your comments.

    You are pretty hung up on your “kehne mein kya jaata hai” approach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That was meant as a joke for Balwinder.

    And yes… do you go by this girls description rather disdainfull of Indians- being dark and skinny…

    All I can say is I have rescued a friend from a similar situation in the same hotel 6 yrs back– where the polcie had got in and raised an astronimical demand.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If it was a joke, then what Balwinder objected to or found ridiculous must be true – that you prefer beer to sex.

    Looks like you can never get it straight !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even Abhishek… married to the most beautifull woman in the world has been found to be having a good taste for liqour these days…

    And as for me… why should I ever boast of my romantic succeses…

    So as a matter of policy… I would rather talk of beer, than personal sexual achivements

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s just that you publicly stated that you prefer beer to sex.

    Then try to wriggle out….

    stuck up….

    and you try to go back…

    Chalo, I will ask Balwinder what does he prefer and ready to accept about you?

    1 ) Your longing for beer more than sex

    2) Your perpetual approach to everything – “kehne mein kya jaata hai “

  • Anonymous

    We all know Dolly is your lolly, but why bring her in this discussion on your fond memories of viagra?

    You are becoming like fake Ravi, 5000 daily rapes.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I told you 5000 times centuries ago, don’t poach into unchartered territory.

    Vijay knows why he sounds like Dolly Bindra. A sort of finer nuance, he understands well.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Unfortunately, we got engaged in this debate on a working day. I would have loved to debate on weekend on this topic. So, I will be brief here. Why others label you as Jehadis? it is for your single point agenda of finding fault with hinduism of your imagination in every otherway. No news is small enough, if it involves any Indian, particularly hindus of any denomination, background or circumstances. This gives you an easy handle to brush the Hindusism in total. All the news emanating from world over, against radical islam is being glossed over by you in your posts and this is being attempted in the way, this happens in India too. Hindus also indulge in this too. Hindu fundamentalists this and that. Totally ignoring the fact, about the proportion between two, its lethality and it being the result of reaction to islamists excess as has been practiced since centuries. Yours is a one way street, which looks at faults or drawbacks only amongst hindus. I have never seen you criticising radical Muslims, with the same jest, liveliness or venom.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    You are busy so I will make it simple.

    All of what you accuse me of – every single word – applies in reverse to all the others, including you.

    That is exactly the point I made and which Binoy – in an accusatory tone – confirmed.

    I am not avoiding any details for they are all in your post, just reverse the polarity and you will have my post.

    मेरी दास्ताँ को ज़रा सा बदल कर

    मुझे ही सुलाया सवेरे सवेरे

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    Anonymous Reply:

    NO comment on desecration of an Importanit Hindu temple back home in paksitan, ravi?

    Secularism starts at home. In case you give us a nice essay of about 1000 words, on how the Paksitani state and hafeez Saeed should repent on the destruction of this temple– which was probably as important as Mecca– we would start beleiving you are willing to change.

    Please dont get modi ot BJP in the essay

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    Ravi Reply:

    Bollocks

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why ? You think that it is a Hindu temple… so you can say bollocks because in your eyes Hindu feelings dont count?

    Ravi Reply:

    Bollocks to your randomness, incoherence, ranty jibberish, total inability to stick to any one topic, any one thought, any one idea, or any one logic.

    Just a jumble of platitudes incomprehensible to any one other than your favourite donkey

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow !! This really calls for a beer…

    And swearing upon your head… and mine too… I am stretching myself for the Royal Challenge bottle !!

    Along with Soya sticks, paneer tikka and roasted pista. The swim took the heat out of me… but now I am really swimming in ideas!

    ravi ! Like i said… Change is a slow process. I think

    But ek din aisa aayega…
    Jab ravi Muridke waapis jaayega

    Hafeez bhai ki bhu_ _ mein
    Goli maar kar aayega !!!

    Cheers !!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    just to make a correction. It was a bottle of Kingfisher i ended up picking. Since I has sworn on your head– and I sincerly wish you well in your endeveour to improve– I have to correct my statement.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    main bhi muh main jubaan rakhta hun, Aap puchhen ki muda-a kya hai?

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    Ravi Reply:

    dil-e-nadan tujhe hua kya hai?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    First – you compelled me to drop a response despite being terribly challenged with my work schedule.
    Second – this is not about Ravi.
    Third – if you are looking for symmetry of communally inclined devastation in India – those declaring themselves as protectors of “Hinduism” have been in charge of communal polity here. Even more than the “Islam Khatrme hai” types. Actually the relationship has been reciprocal and yet asymmetrical. Not that I am seeking a parity – but still pointing out the lack of accuracy in your judgement. Actually it becomes lot more clearer once you stop believing India as Hindu country.
    Fourth – being a majority religion here it is only natural for many alternate narratives to be pre-valent. Including those about the caste structure.
    Fifth – Not all narratives may adhere to the “popular culture” .
    Sixth – Are you assuming Hinduism as a religion – sans a hierarchical power structural order in a feudal society – and just that ?
    Seventh – What was your intent of the post ? Scoring a clapping audience or countering an argument ? Unfortunately, from my perspective, it sounds neither.
    Eighth – If this post sounds personally harsh to you . that was not the intent. We have sparred even more harshly in the past, even bordering on personal levels (“Tu Tu Mai Mai” types).

    p.s. : Notice the BS you have unleashed below. Please feel free to clean up your act by intervening in the “discussion” below.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I will be less than honest, if I take an umbarage of your post. I will “duel” with you in my next post. Do not know, when. I would like to go back and would love to answer you point by point, as you have done. I have not seen BV’s post as yet, but do you think I practice mind control? No dear, not in the least.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Where does BVS figure in all this ?
    Mind control device gone buggy ? :-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    You wrote BS which probably Pankaj presumed
    as BVS.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Isn’t that right?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Everyone has his/her own style of
    sharing his views. You may not like
    that but I have no problem with that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    one calls something ‘bull shit’, when one understands it.

    what do you call something which defies understanding?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    You have also compelled me to drop a response. What sort of ‘ work ‘
    has terribly challenged you at this time of the day. It is after midnight now.
    By the way I have started reading Fooled by Randomness.
    I am few pages into this and I find it quite interesting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    The near impossible deadline sees me working past midnight. Expecting this to continue for new week or two.
    Fooled by randomness is quite interesting. Those trading in equities should make it a point to read it at least once.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Don’t get me wrong but I am always suspicious of people who work till late nights.

    Anonymous Reply:

    the spirit is willing, the body imbibes………..

    Anonymous Reply:

    :-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    a whole lot of fog, mist, mystique, mystery, balderdash……….

    Blah, blah, blah………………………

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  • AshishC

    Excerpt from an “Open letter” written by Tanya Bhardwaj, addressed to the madwoman of Writer’s Building. Shan has spewed several bucketful of horse-manure here on the “poribartan”- especially about Presi- Cal becoming some Neo-Oxford shortly. These excerpts should suffice to tell us what the real scenario is.
    “You have spoken of ‘brain drain’ so many times. I hold offers from the University College, London and the School of Oriental and African Studies to study development and administration. I too will probably leave, and now you know the reason why. Had you stayed on, it would have been fun. And you would have honestly been ‘a Chief Minister with a difference’. The role of your office as Chief Minister is to aggregate interest – you should at the least have heard us all out.
    “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power”. So said Abraham Lincoln.
    Love
    A Simple Woman – Taniya Bhardwaj”

    You go, girl!
    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/calling-me-a-maoist-wont-make-me-one/259647-37-64.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Mamta was designed to be an agent of change. But her perpetual bouts of hyeteria ensure that she is at best going to be a temperory animation cartoon. however at the end to fhte day Paschim Banaga is missing out on an actual opportunity of change… of getting in free enterprise, good Thatcherite values of sweat and hardwork, getting in industrial production and what not.

    really it is for the NRB’s– non resident Bongs now resideing all over India– to use this opportunity.

    On the lighter side I saw a news report of “inspirational songs’ being plaued at traffic lights. Well i had heard of the speaker system in North Korea, where the people are expected to ehar the thoughts of the Kim Sung dynasty all the time. In bengal… this is got to be a horrible joke !

    By the way the favoirite song to be played is worded, “Ma… maati… ma… ” or something similar.

    And it is penned by one Anindyo Chatterjee !

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    AshishC Reply:

    WTF!!
    Anindya Chatterjee of Chandrabindoo used to jam with a cousin of mine- he is almost half my age.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish
    One thing I will never forgive her for is for not using a name change for maximum effectiveness – She should have named the state just Banga or Bangla – the whole Paschim is a mouthful; especially if she wants to attract the yankee capital.

    Ashish, I dont know if you are following the Marxists’ situation in kerala. A well respected CPM defector (who defected two years ago) was murdered. Everything points to CPM; Achuthanandan is on a war path with the
    establishment (who is rumoured to be behind the murder) ; quite likely that the Marxist party will be split into two.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Gopi,
    The classic flaw in Bongs and classically exhibited by Mamata is that she wants the Americans to invest while continuing to rail against American big business.
    I think CPM is headed for a split in both Kerala and WB- but, paradoxically, the younger generation is more venal and regressive- Vijayan, Yechury, Karat etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Not very different from Pakistan. They want American money but would not stop
    blaming them for most of their problems.

    AshishC Reply:

    For once, I am speechless :)
    Bongs as country cousins of Pakistanis; gosh, you are really living dangerously, aren’t you?? LOL

    Anonymous Reply:

    She must be an ardent admirer of the Pakistanis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right about the “young” CPM leaders..

    Actually, they had/have a great opportunity to form a majority party – first in kerala and take the model to other states — Achuthanandan is liked by all for his honesty/simple life (at the core Indians love and respect those people – Hazare et al) . Youngsters flock at his meetings irresepective of their parents’ party .. A balanced development/progress/social equity message will work well in kerala –Achuthanandan could have done it but for the opposition/shanigans of Vijayans

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,
    Thanks.
    As a small comment – I am terribly surprised the “progressive” WB has come to such a situation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me ask you a small question.
    Will a terribly reactionary rule – lasting its full term – make bongs realize their own “true self” ? (BTW, we marathis had those years during the “Thackeray regime” period. Thackerays – of whichever hue – never ever made their “electoral bones” since then.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    It is, as I never tire of pointing out, not about Mamata or CPM. It is of the larger issue of what we, the “Bongs” have been reduced to.
    Looking back on my life and experiences, the seeds were sown much before even 1977- a momentorus year- natioanlly as well as personally- as we moved as a family to Delhi- and save for a brief 2 years since, I have never gone back to live there.
    Nirad Chaudhuri (and I know he is not exactly popular here) wrote a treatise on us, the Bongs. It was called Atmaghati Bangali (Suicidal Bengalis). He basically identifies a deep flaw in our character- the obsessive contrarianism which has led Bengal to swim against the tide on most major political thoughts in the last century. A more detailed discussion on the book can wait- perhaps for ever- as the work pressures keep mounting. But, the book, for me at least, argues pretty convincingly about what has caused our decline- one major reason at least. You must not look at Mamata or CPM except as milestones (millstones!?) on a long journey hurtling downwards.
    The second point, and decidedly secondary to the major point NC makes, is that we bongs tend to be so much about ourselves. A Prof in a distant past once told me, you can always segment a market in a way to show that you are the king of the hill. We bongs are experts at this. Personally, I grew up with the firm belief in the absolute supremacy of Bengali literature, music, food, way of life…even, horror- Bengali enterprise (even if the only example ever sited in our textbooks was that of Bengal Chemicals). Of course, “bijness” of any kind was bad, done by those “blood-sucking, immoral marwaris”. Basically anything we had no aptitude for, was either bad form or immoral.
    Who brought this about? Dunno. Just stating facts. But, it was not done in a day- it tooks decades.
    Till we, the bongs, change- and IMO, Mamata or the left are both tooo steeped in this culture- to be harbingers of change, I predict continued downward slide for West Bengal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    A very good analysis of Bengal and ‘Bongs’. Enjoyed reading.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Business opportunities will probably be best cashed on in case the initial products to be marketed from Bengal to India and abroad have a strong component of Bengal in it.

    What about Fish…? Maybe not as there could be an outcry of MNC’s and outsiders buying fish… leading to high prices.

    Jute? Jute is an old industry but it has been reborn as the entire world needs eco friendly packaging. Bangladesh probably will cash on it more easily. But somebody can really try to make DESIGNER jute bags for Walmart and Macey’s and what not.

    Software and animation industries could be a good way to start as they emply the brain… and cannot the accused of labour exploitation as hardcore manufacturing is.

    Tourism? Not the victimhood and poverty package tourism of Mother Teresa… but a real feel for Sundarbans and Tagore and what not. Somewbody really has to take the inititiative.

    AshishC Reply:

    One of the success stories during the CPM rule was fisheries, I believe. They probably figured the way to a Bong’s heart was through his stomach :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,
    Thanks for a wonderful response.
    Could ,what you say, be manifestations of something underlying structural ? For instance, something similar could be argued about Lucknow . Or for that matter Northern Maharashtra.

    AshishC Reply:

    Let me bypass the question and point you to a recent article in the last issue of Economist. It made the point that too much thinking is debilitating for performance.
    I confess I do not know much about Northern Maharashtra (my Marathi friends have largely been from Mumbai and Pune). But, I would not make anything close to such a despairing case for Lucknow. It is not decadence leading to decline that I mourn. Calcutta’s decadent past led to almost all that we bongs are proud of- including Tagore. It is long past- Calcutta used the early English education to its advantage and had a large headstart. What they have done is fritter away the headstart.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Bengalis are too good to go down without putting up a fight.

    I suggest the state should invite Jayalalithaaaa to lead it for a five year term.

    I also suggest WB should now be understood to mean “Welcome Back”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    ” “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power”. This one sentence tells us about Mamta Di. She is not capable enough to
    handle power. She is a very good street fighter and sadly she is running the government
    also in that style.

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    AshishC Reply:

    What we forgot was that she has handled power and responsibilty before and made total hash of them both times as Union Cabinet ministers. Yet, we elect her and then wail.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I believe that Mamta Di did not win because Bengal wanted her, it was because
    they wanted to remove communists and there was no one else to choose other
    than Mamta Di.

    AshishC Reply:

    Actually, much to my chagrin- she is quite popular. The aam aadmi thinks she will deliver- and the refrain on the street, in so many words, is “Dekhun, onake ektu to shomoy dite-ei hobe”- (See, you have to give her some time). But, Mamata needs to watch it- this is the same electorate that gave the left front such a huge proportion of LS seats barely 2 years before decimating it and embracing her. Things can change really fast.

  • Anonymous

    Female thinking.

    20% Jewellery
    20% Shopping
    20% Money
    20% friends
    15% Kitchen
    5% Sex

    Make thinking

    99% Sex
    1%. How, when and where.

    Good morning gentlemen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good morning mohan…

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  • Anonymous

    Government planning VDIS ?

    Govt moots one-time tax amnesty to recover black money stashed abroad.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Govt-moots-one-time-tax-amnesty-to-recover-black-money-stashed-abroad/articleshow/13365370.cms

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    My sincere thanks to all who missed me and expressed their concern. I was away on a holiday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    WB.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back. Bhai mere please bakake jaya karo.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Where did you go?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    WB. I also missed you… especailly the Modi links…. :)

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  • Anonymous

    There was a lot of disinformation in the media , including this blog , by vested interests to defame Gen V K Singh . The following excerpts from his interview to Rediff. com should clarify two vital issues…….

    What was the problem with Tatra trucks?
    When we started getting those trucks, what was the objective? They were world-class. But we took an older model.
    Since there was nothing better, they were accepted. But nobody made efforts to find out if there was anything better.
    So we continued with that with the pubic sector undertaking, a defense PSU making efforts to show that they were making profit.
    Moreover, it was being sponsored by somebody who was making devious efforts to make a lot of money.
    I mean a truck which was manufactured for Rs 28 lakh (Rs 2.8 million) in Czechoslovakia is being sold to the army between Rs 73 lakh (Rs 7.3 million to a crore (Rs 10 million).
    Where did this money go? This is disturbing, and doubts had surfaced long ago.
    This was the kind of money you would get if you cleared the project, and that is what put a red flag on it.
    ……………
    Why did you write that letter? Was it a routine letter or were you concerned about something?
    All three chiefs routinely appraise the PM and the defence minister. It is a very routine affair, ever since the time of the first prime minister.
    If you feel something requires urgent attention, you write to them.
    The leakage of that letter is a treasonable act and it must be fixed.
    I am sure that it couldn’t have gone from my office. That is the kind of faith I have in my system.
    What was the motive behind it? I wouldn’t leak a letter I wrote! Have I not already apprised the highest quarters?
    The way it happened again, it was meant to defame me.
    It generated a lot of heat: Oh, the army chief is saying this — he must have leaked it himself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    28 lakhs becomes 73 lakhs !! Congress accounting ji COngress accounting!!

    Then all the trolls will gather around SongiaG and RahulG and accuse the world of being BJP_Anna_Ramdev- Isreal_republican… !! :)

    Even on this blog !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Potatoes costing Rs 2/- next to the field, available for Rs. 12/- in retail market.Tell your tellawala this next time and see his reactions to your wisdom.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brother… tatra is not potatoes. The Potatoe has been eaten by the the Dhalas on the way.

    I am sure next time you buy a Maruti you will buy an alto for 6 lakh and an sx4 for 18 lakhs as you feel that the price in the showroom is 2 lakhs for alto and 7 lakhs for SX4, but since potatoes, multply in cost… so must cars. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have no idea about defence productions. It takes huge capital outlay and 10-15 years of waiting before the first order rolls in. Huge factories lie idle for years. Still there is no guarantee.

    Go ask JCB guys what’s their cost and the market price. May be you will have some idea about industrial selling before thinking of graduating to the defence marketing or product pricing.

    Kehne mein kya jaata hai ? Hai na ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    A few days back, you said something about apples and oranges.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You wouldn’t know the difference. Mohan quietly discovered the value of that statement.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But, knowing the difference, you still compare apples and oranges!

    Anonymous Reply:

    These oranges are oranges or apples are apples so long they are all potatoes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is the cost of sukhoi air fighter and what’s the price ?

    V K Singh still trying to justify his dumb actions, if this is from his interview.

    Is Tatra in charity business? They sell same trucks for 2.5 times to Israelis and Americans.

    This stupid man needs to be counter questioned in the public forum without any sympathy. He says the Tatra file was on his table when Tejinder Singh visited his office. Tejinder Singh did not carry the file. It must be his own personal staff who kept the file on his table. That means his own office was compromised heavily. The COAS of this country operates from an office that has been so badly compromised. Do you think this man is capable of leading World’s 4th largest army? He is a cry baby. Bad loser.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Re-read your post. You are willing to dump the army to save a COngress Dahla. How sad. And Vk Singh finctions under a Cognress government by the way…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody is congress Dallas here.
    This man is not the army. He just happens to be leading at this moment.
    And the last order was placed by NDA.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you had a friend, a close friend in fact, who was a congress dalla.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you talking about the man Vijay goes crawling for a dinner outing?
    If so, then he must be your friend, not mine.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To find the answer to your query , I will take considerable time .. to scan official records, CAG observations if any ..MOD reports etc. It may be sooner for you through other sources who I believe you may have access to.. who can also tell you who all are sharing the difference.
    The second is your consistent view of Gen V K Singh .. so what can we comment on that .
    As for the third ,Tatra ’s charity was to select persons who are now answering CBI interrogators who have filed a regular case .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    CBI has been on it for quite sometime. V K Singh trying to lead the investigation remotely with a statement like what happened to difference between the cost and the price.He is trying to put words in other’s mouth.

    As a saving grace everybody is focussing on a civilian and creating an exit route for the army guys.

    They will find one tax case then tell the World see I was right!

    Only dumbs buy this logic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The CBI started this Inquiry after Gen V K Singh blew the whistle on it. They are not investigating just Rishi but also the CMD of BEML. and some other officials.
    The regular case which the CBI has regd is after their preliminary inquiy threw up Prima Facie evidence of illegalities.
    It does not pertain to contravention of any TAX law as that jurisdiction is not with CBI but with CBDT and ED.
    Could the IB find out who leaked the letter ? Or will that Inquiry continue ad – infinitum ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    What was the whistle, he blew?

    Anonymous Reply:

    THERE ARE NONE SO DEAF AS WILL REFUSE TO HEAR.

    THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS WILL REFUSE TO SEE.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have no queries. You need to find answers for yourself, if you care.

    But before seeking answers, one must learn to ask right and relevant questions.

    Else, your search will be futile.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ” What is the cost of sukhoi air fighter and what’s the price ? ”
    Is this not a query ?
    The only question I asked in my Posts was

    ” Could the IB find out who leaked the letter ? Or will that Inquiry continue ad – infinitum ”
    We can understand if you neither find this question right or relevant.
    “This stupid man needs to be counter questioned in the public forum without any sympathy”
    Do’t you think that it is not the Army Chief but the DIB who should reply on a public forum why he has not been able to find out who leaked that letter.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Did Air force ask for the cost sheet of Sukhoi from the Russians?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Headlines Today had exposed the Joint secretary in the cabinet secretariat functioning directly under the PM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, you have no queries. You have only criticism and ‘gaalis’ for a man, who heads the second largest standing army in the world.

    You are also obnoxiously arrogant in displaying your severely limited knowledge of corruption in the army.

    If after swerving the nation for forty years and becoming the chief of the army, he has to hear arrogant abuse from a second rung editor naukar of the family, I would say, Gen. V.K.Singh is not stupid, but unfortunate to be in that position.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, it’s unfortunate that he s in that position.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you heard about the great finance minister, a veteran politician shortly ascending the president’s chair functioned in an office heavily bugged by his home ministry colleague?

    What then is special about the army chief’s office being “compromised”?

    After all, there are babus who spend a life time in the same office, some in the same post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you can’t differentiate between a civilian and defence top office, you shouldn’t even raise the point.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am grateful to you for not subjecting me to the third degree treatment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not a cop and you are yet not caught with a woman in a shady place.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know you are not a cop.

    But, all of us are coming to the conclusion that you have begun to act like a super cop, dispensing justice to people according to your whims, abusing bloggers who dare to counter you on thorny issues like the maa-beta sarkar or the tatra deal or even internet Hindus whom Kapil Sibal wants to eliminate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A cop does not dispense justice.

    I am known to be respectful and extremly patient with my juniors, even the lowest rank of people, students, people with special abilities.

    I am also known be very impatient with my peer group, people in authorative positions including MD’s and directors of a company, even my clients.

    I try to avoid fools, but it’s difficult to achieve that ideal condition.

  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    I dont know why you are feeling offended in case kickback takers are being caught?

    Why are you so hurt in case India manages to make defence purchases cheaply?

    As for Industrial costing… bade bhaiya, maybe I am not an expert like you… but I have worked out the specific cost of manufacturing JCB spares even if we keep plants idle. But then… I dont get browbeaten by volume of accusations ever. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You keep raising dumb points.

    Go, grab the kick back takers. Who’s stopping you.
    I am talking about this incompetent V K Singh. He is not competent to lead this army.

    Go buy defence equipments cheaply. Go for global tenders. Find the lowest price. It’s a standard practice. Nobody says oh the cost is 27 lakh why is he selling for 76 lakhs?

    Does army finances the production? Does it provide land, equipments, manpower and technology? Then why should V K Singh expect Rishi to sell Cost plus basis?
    Let V K Singh guarantee 25 years of production at Cost Plus basis.

    Your knowledge about industrial pricing is entry level. Sorry for being harsh, you understand very little about these things.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    pardon me, Sir, for pointing out. But, you are getting shriller by the day in your attacks on the hapless bloggers here, if they so much as dare to criticise the Maa-beta sarkar and its naukars.

    You are becoming very disagreeable in your defence of the congress dispensation.

    AND, VK SINGH IS NOT INCOMPETENT, NOT BY A LONG SHOT.

    In the army, an incompetent officer would fall by the wayside long before he reached the top.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    V K Singh is a good soldier, but an incompetent administrator.
    You know all good batsman don’t make a good captain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Difficult to accept that. His short comings would have
    been detected at an earlier stage. The fact that he reached at the top means that he was capable for
    this job. You cannot compare Indian army with
    cricket.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can list out many instances where he has failed as an administrator. Whenever he opens his mouth, he gives us a chance to question him. He is falling victim to his own creation.

    He lived in a great idea that when the time comes he could extend his tenure. He believed in the dichotomy he created and lived day in and day out like our vijay that he could change people through internet post. That very belief has fallen apart and he goes on and on harping on one point to salvage his own image that people must believe he is a truthful man.

    If somebody says there is no bribe in army, then he lives in a fool’s paradise. People openly ask and expect almost at every level like police department. The top ones may be honest, but there is hardy anybody real honest at the operational and commercial level.

    Same is with MCD and even judiciary. The typist takes 300 rupees to give the court order and he does it right in front of the judge.

    40% of VKSingh’s tenure has been spent in public spat, starting from the DOB issue.

    He is looking for some eluding peronasl glory.

    Someday, somebody is going to tell him on his face.

    He made sure that there is no aura left with the COAS post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you are passionate without being enlightened. Your hatred for the man has overtaken your reason.

    BAD FOR EN EDITOR TO BE CONSUMED BY PASSION.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are partly right. I have no respect for the present COAS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    it is important to remember that for every post of commander, there are equally placed more than one contenders. And generally speaking, there is no favour, nor fear in the selection.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even here you are utterly wrong and ignorant.

    Administrative capabilities is one of the important criteria for the selection to the top job.

    The selectors are not dumb like some of the newspaper owners, who elevate incompetent journos to the editor’s post and then themselves become elevated to the Rajyasabha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The guy who takes up the top post without sorting out the retirement date and hoping to armrwist at the last moment is surely not an honest man. Least to talk about his administrative capability.

    The man who tries to get his friend (ural truck, kolkata) through back door is not fit to be there. Also sign of bad administration.

    The man who does not evaluate the status of his force at the beginning of his career but does it towards end of his term and then writes a stupid letter about “shortage of ammunition” to the PM, does not possess the administrative foresight. Bad administrator.

    While a woman raises hue and cry about an inappropriate touch, our chief quietly sits on it for a year about a direct bribe offer. Moreover, when encouraged by the minister to take action, he shows reluctance. Bad administrator.

    He encourages direct press releases about inappropriate action by an exservice person which is not acceptable by the service rule. Bad administrator.

    He talks to press directly and fights a proxy war. Bad administrator.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    “In the army, an incompetent officer would fall by the wayside long before he reached the top.”
    Agree with you. Reaching at the top of Indian army is not a joke.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for telling me I am dumb. Frankly… one of my teachers who had earlier taught Amul Baby… always rated me to be the smarter one! So by default… If I dumb… guess who is dumber?

    I think you are not able to see issues in totality and start flying immediately to defend the COngress and the royal family.

    You want me to catch the kickback takers? bade Bhiaya… when the royal family of India patronises the FATHER OF ALL KICKBACK TAKERS, a certain Mr Q… you are expecting me to have the resources to cathc him? Very smart !!

    Obfuscation ho to aisi …

    There was news of purchase of of Italian helicopters by India at massively inflated price in the Italian press. Well, as expected, the Indian media put it in the dust heap.

    Obfuscation ho toa aisi….

    Pathak ji… that is why I say, for progressing and removing corruption, India has to move beyond naukercy…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    where the f… did you see me defending the congress in my last few postings?

    When you want to talk about technical issues prepare yourself with facts. Don’t employ your “kehne me in kya jaata hai” approach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 !! So you have finally seen what the Congress now represents!

    Congratulations !

    By the way I dont talk in the air… even if I love to put things in a humourous mode. So even if I say kehne mein kya jaata hai… which gives you some defence, I would have put my mind across.

    Anonymous Reply:

    90% time you talk in thin air.
    One needs to use a magnifying glass to search for a thread in your post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    People who are free can talk without fear. People who are naukers… need to seel their soul to get khotta sikkas :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will send some juveniles to talk freely in your client meeting. Tell your estimeed client that those juveniles talk freely without caring about the context.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please do ! I’ll tell my client that these are juveniles sent by Pathak G who needs to do it to change the topic from kickbacks taken by the COngress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only juveniles have no fear and regards for the context. That’s why thy say anything without fear.

    Don’t mistake them as guys with great wisdom.

    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    I wish you would not set the bar so low on smartness quotient :)

    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    I wish you would not set the bar so low on smartness quotient :)

  • Anonymous

    I have no idea how these things work but I have had a remote experience of supplying
    goods to US army in Afghanistan. Not directly – I had no contact with any US official -
    but through an Afghan client who bought goods from me which he claimed that those
    would be supplied to US army in Afghanistan. According to him, by the time the
    goods reached US army after passing through many hands – most probably everyone in middle was getting his share – the price would
    go up to 15 to 20 times from the price this client would buy from me. I have no idea
    how this was managed, but this client of mine did became quite rich in 2-3 years.
    However, even I have noticed what Praveen said that Pathak’s view on General
    V K Singh have always been consistent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There has been no view on V K Singh’s part.
    His fear has always been “Oh! People suspect me lying!”.
    He has been fighting that ghost.

    In one if the interview, the host said he was guilty of keeping quiet and people only half-believe him, V K Singh started stealing glances.

    He is consistent that ” you have to believe me, because I am saying” , in the pattern of Anna.

    Anyway, the great sangam is about to happen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It may not matter much to you ..but the Sangam is one of the holiest places for Hindus ..at the Tirthraj Prayag ..my hometown,.Hindus believe it is the confluence of three holy rivers.
    You said ” His fear has always been “Oh! People suspect me lying!”.
    He has been fighting that ghost”
    It is the govt wich has made a ghost of the person who leaked the letter. It is the govt which appears to be paranoid that it is suspected of lying.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The fear generated from the DOB issue. He is suffering from that. More so perhaps he thought that to be his trump card.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Sangam, that beautiful movie by Raj Kapoor which was later
    copied by Michael Bay who made an American version of this
    movie and named it Pearl Harbour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Seen both. Not sure if they are same. Been long time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Story line is same only the treatment is different.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Military procurement all across the world seems to be riddled with some excesses.. You always read about million dollar screw drivers, toilet covers etc…i believe going strictly by the book costs more..because not all situations are documented in the book. but then human judgement brings the question of corruption..many a time it is a no win situation..

    Regarding Afghanistan – money has been burned there. Now Pakistan is demanding $5000/truck road fee where they used to get $300/truck! Americans have woken up finally, they are questioning this increase!

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  • Anonymous

    TWO JOKES FOR THE TIME OF ONE.

    There was a man who said,
    “I never knew what happiness was until I got married…
    and then it was too late

    Before marriage, a man yearns for the woman he loves.
    After marriage, the ‘Y’ becomes silent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Nice jokes.

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  • Anonymous

    Pathak wants to raid private party gathering….

    But does not like anybody criticizing govt for their corruption and incompetence

    (Does he (General) know how much it costs to manufacture? does he know the difficulty in manufacturing?….
    What does he (Anna) know about governing? )…..

    One does not have to lay eggs to critique the taste of an omlette..

    Is Anna/the messenger at fault or the babus who create the mess or the system that gives the free pass to corruptors?

    Now, as far as VK Singh is concerned, he comes across at times as clueless. But let us not pass judgment as to whether he is a good General or not. One has to assume he is a good General — if not, the edifice is built on thin air — we better examine how we appoint generals or are we anointing like the Yuvraja?

    Now, some Generals like Padmanabhan come across as Generals (a ka like in movies), they also have literary and other interests, they find time to write books…..

    Singh is a quiet (???) soldier; nevertheless a soldier’s soldier.

    By going after Singh’s doings or undoings, and not the systems, we are sanctioning the stupid systems …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The general does not have to know the cost or difficulty in manufacturing.
    He shouldn’t question the profitability of an entrepreneur like we do not question his perks.

    If he wants cheaper and efficient equipments, then he simply float a global tender and find the most efficient one. He shouldn’t question why a truck is picked at 78 lakhs and what the entrepreneur does with that kind of profitability.

    We do not want a “clueless man” to lead our army in the nuclear theatre.

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  • Anonymous

    Good!

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar
    Welcome back.-

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ HOW RAUL VINCI and DIGVINASH SINGH killed UPA 2 ~~~~~
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    Pathak G , you must be the only cheer leader left of the ICL (Indian COngress league).

    Even NDTV has a program running which says that UPA2 is dead !!!!!!

    Of course NDTV being NDTV asks Digivnash SIngh’s opinion forgetting that it was Digviansh SIngh and Raul Vinci who killed UPA2.

    Some time back the HT tried a obfuscation charge where it pitched Rahul as a leader India wants.

    It forgot to mention that Star News has done a survey where Rahul’s ratings despite all his bikini clad cheerleaders is down to 13% !!!!

    Par kya karien…
    Congress mein toh jhttomev jayate chal raha hai…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But Viju, Is BJP any better?
    They may eb slightly better in vision; but will have similar implementation problems.

    A BJP without Modi leading the country will not be much better than the Congressis.

    Modi should devise/drive a PR campaign since his party does not. Modi is now kept as “Abhimanyu”; a deft PR campaign will get him out of the “Chakra Vyuha”

    He should solicit assistance from the NRIs in US to get Madison Avenue marketeers involved.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the COngress without Rahul and Digviansh could still be a good team and the the NDA could take over in 2014. As I had said on this blog, to get Rahul in, the dynasty naukers and sycophants will try to make MMS look bad. Right now the poor guy has just chosen to withdraw.

    Modi or Nitish or Jaya or Jaitley would be good PM’s. We need to see their approach to foreign capital. Jaya and Modi have been good in attacting foreign investment. Both are unmarreid and will not get dyanastic sycophancy in.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Think.Your BJP is not good enough for even dead UPA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well the survey showed BJP getting 39% vote comapred to COngress 24%

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    Anonymous Reply:

    With few crutches like Anna and Ramdev, suddenly, they have started scratching their crotches.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I sort of agree– and we say this is the largest democracy!!!!!!!!!1

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    manohar_T Reply:

    In the next elections, most of the lost vote of the UPA will go towards the regional parties and the Congress & the BJP will be reduced to playing the second fiddle.

    Read on.

    Bharatiya Janata Parties
    Bhanu Pratap Mehta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bharatiya-janata-parties/952080/0

    As the BJP prepares for its national executive meeting, its strategy, if it has one, is to deal largely in irrational numbers. It has little presence in Uttar Pradesh; it is increasingly vulnerable in states it has ruled for a while. Since the last election, it has not expanded its presence. Elections are about the ability to project credibility. On law and order, Chhattisgarh’s Maoists sent a reminder of how inept its anti-Maoist strategy has been. On corruption, Karnataka is fast turning into UP, with government officials fearing for their lives. On the economy, the BJP has chosen the strategy of avoidance. Instead of giving an alternative to old-fashioned caste politics, it has reproduced the worst versions. In a Parliament session where it could have had the government on the mat for one of the most spectacular economic mess-ups in the last two decades, it simply used up its powder for cartoons and cricket. The most polished in the BJP cannot keep its resentful illiberalism long suppressed. It is simply waiting for the Congress to make more errors to give it a lift. To make matters worse, internally, the BJP itself is faced with a series of simultaneous equations it cannot solve.

    ==

    Since L.K. Advani’s myopic misjudgements, the BJP has been groping for a leader. There is a great clamour for Narendra Modi. Even if we grant him his administrative acumen, his ability to give the BJP a direction is limited. Despite the reprieve he has got in the court, he is still a polarising figure. He will have to come up with some spectacularly convincing gesture of contrition to be acceptable to BJP’s potential allies. There is also a curious and potentially fatal omission in his strategy to make himself nationally acceptable. His communication blitzkrieg has something oddly technocratic about it. He is still persona non grata in Bihar. He did not take any special initiative in campaigning in UP. If he is a potential prime minister, his energies would have been directed to mass engagement across the country. But that is exactly the one thing he is not doing.

    ==

    It is said, with some justification, that any party that wins in India will look a bit like the Congress. But the real issue is, which Congress: the idea or its debased version?

    At the moment, the BJP is looking more like the debased version: …….

    ==

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All he said is applicable to Congress as well as BJP – incompetent, out of touch, no use for state , central leadership; lack f ideas, lack of understanding of the new India etc…

    However, he has made sweeping statements, totally untrue, totally one sided to make one worse than what one is – Karnataka is not UP, yes, one official was killed, but officials are not worried about their lives..It will take Karnataka 100 years of “bad” BJP rule to become today’s UP.

    Congress did not improve its position in UP in spite of Rahulji campaigning ….what difference it makes if Modi campaigns in UP or Bihar? Is there a rule or an expectation (by the people, not the “pundits”) that a national leader should campaign in the wretched parts of the country that have been kept wretched by the 60 years of Congress rule?

    “Modi is a polarising figure” — for whom? for the Ramlals of rural India or the Pundits of NDTV (who may be getting money from left and right)..

    I just hope Modi is looking for an opportune time to take all these guys on, and that he is inactive because he is not interested….

    BJP does these rathyatras, devoid of Krishna or Arjuna.

    And where do they get these Gadkaris?? I will vote for Rahul 100 times before I vote for Gadkari! I will even vote fro Roberji before I vote for Gadkari — there is something called charisma in politics!

    manohar_T Reply:

    The point I am making is the dire straits both these national parties are in, with all sets of problems and no effort to tackle them head on.

    Modi. Now he is stuck in Gujarat for 10 years. Pathak has a different reason – he has chosen to stay on to prevent skeletons from falling all over – once he is elsewhere and not as a CM. One may or may not agree with it, but it does have a merit.

    Modi is a polarising figure to a wide spectrum of entities – political parties included. No doubt. Has he shown any inclination or taken any concrete steps to overturn this perception, never mind his ‘track record’ thereafter – this track record has not guaranteed him a nationwide box office hit? Not to my knowledge. There are already signs that his grip over Gujarat may not be as strong as it was earlier (ask Mohan and lots of Patels of Gujarat).
    The December election will give us an indication.

    Modi may seem ideal as CEO, when he has an absolute majority. He has shown that he is not a team player. In coalitions, he will not last a day, given his style of functioning, where consensus and give& take is the norm.

  • Anonymous

    The guy who takes up the top post without sorting out the retirement date and hoping to armrwist at the last moment is surely not an honest man. Least to talk about his administrative capability.
    Gen V K Singh was arm twisted by his conspiring predecessors into conceding a false age by blackmailing him. There would have been no legal remedy at that that critical point , and he simply would have been superseded.

    The man who tries to get his friend (ural truck, kolkata) through back door is not fit to be there. Also sign of bad administration.
    Is falsehood and innuendo intended to harm his reputation.

    The man who does not evaluate the status of his force at the beginning of his career but does it towards end of his term and then writes a stupid letter about “shortage of ammunition” to the PM, does not possess the administrative foresight. Bad administrator.
    A second Lietenant or even a Captain or even a Colonel cannot comment on the “status of his Force.”

    While a woman raises hue and cry about an inappropriate touch, our chief quietly sits on it for a year about a direct bribe offer. Moreover, when encouraged by the minister to take action, he shows reluctance. Bad administrator.
    The statement appears to be a statement of a Fact but cannot be comprehended .
    There is mention of a woman and a bribe offer…confusing and disoriented. What did the Minister do when it was brought to his Notice? Was it not dereliction of his duties.

    He encourages direct press releases about inappropriate action by an exservice person which is not acceptable by the service rule. Bad administrator.
    If he has violated government Rules why did the govt not step in. The matter is now sub-judice.

    He talks to press directly and fights a proxy war. Bad administrator.
    Army Chiefs do talk to Press .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    the only fault I find with gen VK Singh is that he did not lead a coup and get the rascals out..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course, you will not value the democracy till you have few military rulers like in Pakistan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi and Democracy are not on friendly terms

    Anonymous Reply:

    All these upheavals all around the world are making me think what is the right system/suitable system.. Democracy is shaking at its core all over… “political class” has become the ruling class all over.

    Not only democratic systems are shaking; the recent Bo xili incident in China is shaking their system too — I rather have a prince who has given a trillion dollars of Gold and jewelry away for the good of the god and people (while he could have easily kept it for himself) than a prince like Bo xili

    I have been reading on the ancient Caliphate systems — good ssytems, and a lot of good things to prove that they were good systems; but like anything else it got decayed with so many leeches eating at the core — no wonder the Lord in the great epic battle said “everything is maya, nothing is permanent”

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) He first grabbed then cribbed. Not a sign of a distinguished honest person.

    2) He got Ural trucks without permission, used while he was the chief of the eastern command. He called for the Tatra files within few weeks of taking over the chief’s position though it was not his job. If the Tatra trucks were so bad, then he should have created a hue and cry when he was the chief of the Eastern command or when DRDO was putting Agni missiles on them.

    V K Singh was hinting at Ural Truck’s features like a third rate salesman.

    3) Did he come to the chief’s position on deputation? Was there shortage of ammunition in the Eastern Command? Do zonal command heads meet nd discuss? Was he aware of the situation when he took over the COAS? Or, did he realize it when the court rejected his DOB case? In March, 2012 he realises the shortage of ammunition ? Don’t forget he was to retire in May 2012.

    4) Bad you couldn’t comprehend. A small inappropriate touch forces a woman to scream and get everybody’s attention. But the chief stood confused and react to a direct bribe offer. Do you want this man to lead you in a nuclear war?

    5) Not only the Govt. , but everybody hoped he would see sense and calibrate his action. But he was too stuck up with his own image having been spoiled with DOB issue.

    6) Army chiefs do not talk about operational issues with the press and speculate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    I feel compelled to ask you this question.
    What is your perspective on our own Military’s position (Notice the word “Military” – spanning all three wings Navy, Air Force and Army) on peace with our neighbours ? Do they have a doctrine for it ? Alternately – have they entirely relegated that aspect of policy making to the political class ?
    Relatedly, what is the philosophy they would “policially adapt” in internal strife torn areas such as ,say, Kashmir or North East ?
    Please feel free to bring in your own perspectives as well.

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  • Anonymous

    Hope India will get to a stage when train accidents are rarity..This is absurd – 3-4 major accident a year!
    (the article says most of the accidents are due to poor maintenance and human errors!)

    Associated Press news on the Hampi train accident-

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/05/22/world/asia/ap-as-india-train-accident.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    60 years of Congress rule—

    The ones who get trampled on the tracks not only gets trampled; but gets suffocated in shit on the tracks..

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    manohar_T Reply:

    For long as one can remember, but especially for the last 14 years or so, the Railway Ministers have treated it as an instrument for vote catching and have allowed the transportation giant to go to seed.

    Railway fares have not been increased, if they have been, they have been so marginal that no one seems to notice them. Financial health, safety, better amenities have been damned.

    Dinesh Trivedi tried to undo the damage by taking the first baby steps and was just kicked out.

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  • Ravi

    How to make an omelette

    By Vijay Kumar Khaploathya – Author of bestselling “How to achieve absolute DELUSION in 4 Donkey Steps”

    1. One omelette will serve everyone and every occasion and, because it is so quick to make, it’s not worth thinking for more than one moment or two. So, according to how hard pressed for time you are, use 2-3 pre-cooked communal clichés per post. For total obfuscation, the staler the cliché the better, but up to eight centuries old is fine. Just randomly plonk clichés nonchalantly into a bowl and season with donkey urine. Blend the clichés and other random verbiage with a large karchee – the number one rule is not to make any sense – lots of beating about the bush or whisking up emotional frenzy. At this stage you could add some snippets of Sanskrit or perhaps 1½ stanzas of an old mis-quoted filmy song to the clichés if you like. These should be randomly combined using the same Karchee.

    2. The size of the space you occupy is important: if too small the omelette will not be noticed, insignificant and difficult to impress with, too large then the discerning bloger will dismiss it, clichés will spread out like a thin pancake and become lost and woolly. For a 2 – or 3 cliché omelette, the base should measure 6 inches (15 cm) in diameter. I recommend using a mixture of Islamic Jihad and Paedophilia as frying agents, ½ teaspoon of each. Place the pan on the heat and let it get quite hot, add Jihad and Paedophilia and as soon as it effervesces swirl it round, tilting the pan rightwards so that the base and the sides get coated.

    3. Turn the heat up to its highest setting – ‘As hot as you dare’ – then when the Jihad is foaming, pour the mixture of clichés, enriched with Muridke, Tora Bora and Psychological profile of a Jihadi into the pan, tilting it to right and spread them evenly over the space. Leave it on the heat decorated with double lines at the top without editing it to remove spelling blumps.

    4. After this time a bubbly, light as air, devoid of all substance, frill will appear round the edge. Now using a tablespoon, draw the edge of the omelette into the centre. The liquid Pakistani Jihadis will flow into the space, filling it.

    5. Soon there will be posts totally denying the existence of Islamic Jihad and there would be just a small amount of substance left in tact of your original post, just on the surface, so now is the time to randomly switch the subject to Naukarcy, Need to Change and Pakistan being in denial, yadda yadda yadda. Tilt the pan again and flip one side of the omelette into the centre before you loose it totally, then fold again. Take the pan further to the right to a warm mushy Royal Salute powered place and the last fold will be when you tip the omelette on to the plate of your several Party friends and Tennis Partners. Remember, an omelette will go on cooking even on the plate by the heat radiating from your self congratulatory smirk, so serve it immediately to all the clapper loaders who wait on every word of your banalities.

    Wait for admiring and grateful friends to spontaneously exclaim Yaar Yess Yess.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I must say this is an original piece.

    Somebody got to read it out before handing over the Lifetime Achievement Award to Vijay

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Pathak G

    After being caught time and again for nauker like slavery to the dynasty… and being ridiculed by fellow bloggers… It seems you have decided to join hands with a jehadi for attacking India !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    After being caught….

    Vijay,

    You don’t seem to get tired of pumping cycle tube and pretending to be firing a cryogenic engine!

    manohar_T Reply:

    Wow.

    Attacking Vijay is akin to attacking India

    that translates to

    Vijay is India, India is Vijay.

    Another dimension to a delusion. What next?

    manohar_T Reply:

    After this award, hopefully he should call it a day.

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  • Anonymous

    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~~ BREAKING NEWS !!! BREAKING NEWS !! FUNNY JEHADI NEWS !!! ~~~
    ==========================================

    ~~~~ JEHADI FROM MURIDKE~~~ now under severe constipation and Blood pressure ~~~~ IN BANGALORE !!!!! ~~~~~~
    ————————————————-

    Fellow Bloggers, Last night I made a serious attempt to reform our own Dear Raviji, now on a visit from Tora Bora to Bangalore, underinstructions from Muridke.

    I just told him that he should first clean up his own home in Muridke in Pakistan, before he comments about us Indians. In fact I requested him to write a 1000 word essay on how he should ask his boss Hafeez Saeed and his partner Engrich, to improve thier mindset from denigration of Non Jehadis and on sexual abuse of tender young girls of 11 years in UK and Paksitan.

    Somehow Raviji, developed high blood pressure late last night itself. He started speaking gibberish from both ends !! :) Making me laugh and laugh !!!

    In fact I had a beer, cheers to him!! Ha aha HHAA HAA !!

    Now there are two ways to tackle Hypertension. One is taking a simple pill, every six hours. The other is Ramdev Yoga and Pranayam. I suggest you try both…!!

    And of course cure your maind of Hatred for India, Hindus, Indian culture and Indian progress…

    I can give you more sugestions to improve you. But the first step has to be taken by you and you alone…

    So CHEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRSSSS !!!! We want a saner, less jehadi Ravi !!!

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  • Anonymous

    Guys enjoy yourself… I have a very interesting dinner date… But I will smile… Thanks Ravi !! For giving me an opportunity to pump in a few lines at fast speed….

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Suma Chakrabarti to head European Development Bank

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/suma-chakrabarti-to-head-european-development-bank/952292/

    India-born Suma Chakrabarti will succeed Germany’s Thomas Mirow as the president of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD), which has been supporting economic transition in former Eastern Bloc countries and Soviet republics for the last two decades.

    Chakrabarti, a permanent secretary in the UK Ministry of Justice, has won the race for the leadership of the bank by prevailing over four other candidates, including Mirow, who sought a second four-year term.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We Indians are everywhere.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and unfortunately get caught like Gupta

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Rajat Gupta and Raj Rajaratnam are generally the exceptions.

  • AshishC

    I posted painstaking responses to Mahesh, Vijay and Mohan: thru Disqus- they all have failed to appear on this blog. Here they are:

    ====== ==
    You replied to vijay_kumar

    One of the success stories during the CPM rule was fisheries, I believe. They probably figured the way to a Bong’s heart was through his stomach :)
    ==========
    You replied to Mahesh_Mumbaikar

    Let me bypass the question and point you to a recent article in the last issue of Economist. It made the point that too much thinking is debilitating for performance.
    I confess I do not know much about Northern Maharashtra (my Marathi friends have largely been from Mumbai and Pune). But, I would not make anything close to such a despairing case for Lucknow. It is not decadence leading to decline that I mourn. Calcutta’s decadent past led to almost all that we bongs are proud of- including Tagore. It is long past- Calcutta used the early English education to its advantage and had a large headstart. What they have done is fritter away the headstart.
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    You replied to mohanrr
    Actually, much to my chagrin- she is quite popular. The aam aadmi thinks she will deliver- and the refrain on the street, in so many words, is “Dekhun, onake ektu to shomoy dite-ei hobe”- (See, you have to give her some time). But, Mamata needs to watch it- this is the same electorate that gave the left front such a huge proportion of LS seats barely 2 years before decimating it and embracing her. Things can change really fast.
    ==============
    You replied to mohanrr
    For once, I am speechless :)
    Bongs as country cousins of Pakistanis; gosh, you are really living dangerously, aren’t you?? LOL

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    Anonymous Reply:

    With a pomfret on my table… ans rather interesting company who feels why in the middle of a candle lit dinner do I have to glance at mail and this blog…. I must say I do agree that a man’s heart, stomach and…. desire … are intimately connected ! :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    You enjoy your girl’s company…forget the blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Just logged in to check mail. On second thoughts I’l try tempting her to follow this blog… Bye… Thx !

    manohar_T Reply:

    One does not know who should one feel sorry for – the interesting company or that poor pomfret? ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dont worry. The interesting company had most of the pomfret… and is feeling sorry for me..

    manohar_T Reply:

    As usual, you have completely missed what was being said. Cannot blame you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unlce, dont I know what you were trying to say? well rather than feeling sorry for the people who may be in your comapny and then invoke fake victim hood from your side, I thought it was more prudent to side step thee whole assault.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abbe saale Delhi mein baasi pomfret milti hai. Us baasi macchli pe ucchhal mat jyaada.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    !!!!!

    Never seen you in such a belligerent and aggressive mood before. What snapped?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wife has started kicking my butts. Perhaps deservedly so. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope you did not take a pomfret from the worng end to deserve a kick in the butt so that it wriggles out :)

    But yes… you are right. Delhites are singularly unlucky to be denied the pleasure of having fish on the sea shore. In this case… at least my company is more imprtant… so uchal bhi liya toh… koi kayamat nahi…:)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hi testing

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hi tested . :-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,
    This is not a question about too much thinking.
    My comparison with Lucknow and their purported meaning was hinting at feudal thinking that is fostered by equally feudal situation in economic sense.
    What if WB had the tradition of trade industry ? What if that history had attracted enough capital ? Would WB be the same again ? Would Lucknow be same ?
    Given enough capital – and this one is my favourite – would Kashmir be same ?
    WB is unique in the sense it went from feudal to leftist proclaimed society – in the process strengthening and establishing a terrible power structure that declared itself to be leftist. Comparisons with CPSU in USSR may not be entirely off the mark here. We had Maxim Gorky there – we have Satyajit Ray here. Tagore here being purely incidental. Both of them at the very least reflected transition in their societies. Gorky portrayed revolution. Ray reflected degenrating society in his films.
    And yet the feudal remnants – time and again – keep asserting in these two geographically separated societies. Look closely – you will realize.
    Please feel free to cirtique these Lay person’s lay thoughts. :-)

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Dil e nadan tujhe hua kya hai.
    Ravi, I have always treated you with respect and not only that, I have missed you on this blog, when you are away. Without an alternative view, life is boring. My queries are always pertinent, with a quest for understanding POV from others’ perspective and then, indulge in an interesting discussion. The whole thing is a genuine exercise, no personal malice.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Have I recently shown any malice towards you? I hope not.

    I retaliate and I hold on to my right to retaliate.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    No you have not. But at the same time, you are not coming forth with answers to my concerns. If you do not want to, I will stop this right here. For any genuine dialogue, participant should be ready to accept reality. Any way, I will close this right here.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Which of your concerns have I not addressed?

    I am under the impression that I have answered everything you have asked.

    If that is not the case then let us go round once again and I will ensure that I explicitly respond to your concerns.

    The concern that you may have in your mind (I am guessing) is perhaps why do I not criticise Islam and Pakistan with the same enthusiasm as I seem to do Hinduism and India.

    I think I have answered that concern. I am trying to balance the vicious and baseless attacks others make on Islam and Pakistan, without attempting to understand the underlying issues, so my posts are to defend these attacks by pointing out that we ourselves are not much different. Scale, effectiveness, etc are time bound observations. The attempt is to scale communal violence to a nation changing levels. It is the ability of Indians to withstand such political shenanigans that has kept India in tact.

    Jai Hind.

  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    Sorry, I had to copy your post for the convenience as your post had gone few pages back. I will not be able to answer you fully but as I said, point wise.
    Point 1-2 require no answer. Point 3- Those who are declaring themselves as protectors of Hinduism have been in charge of communal….even more than Islam…
    To begin with, I consider myself as protector of Hinduism, as I have inculcated teachings of Hinduism in my children even in west. So am I communal? Now, let us examine, who are the people, who are claiming to be protectors of Hinduism, and let us examine their influence on predominantly Hindu, Indian masses. Answer is brief because of time constraint, but, I plan to continue this dialogue for coming a month or so.

    Pankaj,
    First – you compelled me to drop a response despite being terribly challenged with my work schedule.
    Second – this is not about Ravi.
    Third – if you are looking for symmetry of communally inclined devastation in India – those declaring themselves as protectors of “Hinduism” have been in charge of communal polity here. Even more than the “Islam Khatrme hai” types. Actually the relationship has been reciprocal and yet asymmetrical. Not that I am seeking a parity – but still pointing out the lack of accuracy in your judgement. Actually it becomes lot more clearer once you stop believing India as Hindu country.
    Fourth – being a majority religion here it is only natural for many alternate narratives to be pre-valent. Including those about the caste structure.
    Fifth – Not all narratives may adhere to the “popular culture” .
    Sixth – Are you assuming Hinduism as a religion – sans a hierarchical power structural order in a feudal society – and just that ?
    Seventh – What was your intent of the post ? Scoring a clapping audience or countering an argument ? Unfortunately, from my perspective, it sounds neither.
    Eighth – If this post sounds personally harsh to you . that was not the intent. We have sparred even more harshly in the past, even bordering on personal levels (“Tu Tu Mai Mai” types).

    p.s. : Notice the BS you have unleashed below. Please feel free to clean up your act by intervening in the “discussion” below.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Thanks for your response.
    Let me pose you even terse question.
    Whom are you protecting Hinduism from ? Does it need the protection ?
    BTW, I will ask the same question to those who proclaim to be protectors of Islam in my land. Does something that you are expected – by our constitution – to be practising within the confines of your own personal space need protection ? Can you answer this Pankaj ? Without making a recourse to communal identities ? So , what are you protecting here ? Your right to defend your belief or your communal identity ?
    Please answer this – we can move ahead from that point on.
    p.s. : I don’t have a problem with engaging in a debate that could possibly span months and yet yield nothing. Civility and quality of debate is all that matters.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “Whom are you protecting Hinduism from ? Does it need the protection”?

    I too would like to know the answers to these.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    either none need protection , or all need protection…

    The second clause is the presiding vision because of the seeds sown in constitution, and then manipulated by the vote bank promoters – we saw that in naked form during the UP elections

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    Who owns the Ligyat Vote bank in Karnataka?

    manohar_T Reply:

    A very confusing response.

    1) Presiding vision! What vision?

    1) How is the constitution responsible for whatever you are alluding to? Would appreciate an detailed answer?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Does Hinduism needs protection ? You have posed an interesting question.
    Why it needs protection? Is there any serious assault on Hinduism. Is there any threat that Hinduism will vanish because of constant critism?

    Immidiate reaction is – No, Hinduism does not need any protection. It has withstand
    criticism since hundreds of years and it can withstand for thousands of years to
    come . I have to think about this little deeply without any prejudice . It is late now let me ponder on this. However, I am sure of one thing that I don’t want VHP or Bajrang Dal type of groups protecting Hinduism if at all it needs any protection.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Good. I too will join you in the morning to discuss this interesting subject.

    Good Night.

    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    if you permit…
    When I was younger.. even six months younger than I am now, I used to pretty much say the same thing. As an atheist, and a very irreverent one at that, it was easy.
    My world view was that of a western educated liberal; which essentially said:
    - follow the law
    - if unhappy with a law, challenge it in courts, agitate for it to be repealed, democratically.
    - you can’t insult God, by their very definition, they should be way above all the “keechad” you can throw at them, right?
    - if you can’t insult God, you sure as hell can’t be punished for it
    - if Gods can’t be harmed, insulted etc.. why are we getting so hot under the collar for?
    - no one can claim the right to be not offended; i.e. you can’t claim that some action or words of mine offended you and you can seek legal recourse unless it was something covered by the laws of libel (I think Vir Sanghvi wrote something quite similar a few posts back).

    But, and not presuming to speak for Pankaj here- I think a little differently now. This “new me” says:
    - what Pankaj is “defending” is perhaps just a way of life- even broader than Hindu religion- something that he holds on to in a distant land- the India in him.
    His idea of India is perhaps different by some degrees. As an expat Indian, he perhaps (and Pankaj, tell me to shut up, and I most humbly will) feels he needs to be assertive rather than defensive about his Indianness.
    His Indian identity is shaped, through his Hindu upbringing. When he defends his Indian-ness, that is what he defends.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    You almost got me right. well, I had to use almost as there is someting more to my feeling of belonging than just Hindu identity. But that is later, as dialogue evolves. You are most welcome to join it but main thrust will be with Mahesh.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A link by Binoy ..Dr Abraham Verghese ((author-Cutting for stone) visit to India/Kerala, visit to Padmanabhaswamy Temple, “inner peace and reconciliation between his two religions”

    India lives…and its heritage

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/18/t-magazine/travel/going-on-faith-in-kerala.html

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    Even this article takes you back to the place known as India. Visiting these temples and historical places, eeasily bring goose pimples.
    Thanks for the link.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,
    There is another aspect at play here. In Indian context – at times the dividing line between Religion and Culture tends to blur itself. For Indian expats (especially those born and brought up in India) it becomes even more terrible , at times due to a sense of alienation.
    That said , Pankaj – or anybody need not be apologetic (or even get explanatory) in asserting their identity.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Hey Mahesh;
    You are sounding a bit agitated here. You call your questions as terse questions, amusing. They are basic questions, do not put adjectives to your questions. I am not concerned with the Islam, whether it is saved or doomed. I am talking about Hinduism. and let us stick to that. I am protecting hinduism from decay. From its pristine glory of Vedas, Ramayana, Mahabharat, all the upnishads and countless philosphical work of very high quality to become a mundane system, where thinking and welfare all has been gradually being eroded. Moral values, on which exalted form of Hinduism rest may not get mired in ritualism only and bad practices, which have crept in to take shape of respectability and paraded as virtues. You are saying, does somethng….of your own personal….and to top it, you are asking mockingly, can you answer this Pankaj??? I was thinking of you as a cerebral person, these small questions and you still sound agitated, why?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Your mission to protect Hinduism from decay is very laudable and I am happy to say that there are many here, including me, who share such a noble mission.

    However, that said one has to get down to the nitty gritty reality here. In other words, let us try and separate the theosophical Hinduism from the Hindu Culture, Hindu History and more specifically from Political Hinduism.

    The reason why I find myself as a regular target for abuse is not because I have ever challenged the Theosophy of Hinduism. The contrary is closer to the truth. It is because I put forward alternative views (a practice you seem to want to champion) on Hindu History, lay bare the naked communal tactics of Political Hindu Parties and criticise – from the 22nd century perspective – archaic elements of Hindu Culture.

    So Pankaj in the 22nd Century, what role do you think there is for a rigid Caste System., for it is still widely practiced every where in India with perhaps the exception of Metropolitan areas. I, from my childhood guided by my parents, have been against caste system and pro equality.

    What about the near normalisation, institutionalisation of mal-treatment of Dalits in India. I say this in the knowledge of recent Dalit progress in Education, Business and Politics. The daily life of millions of these people is governed by Hindu practices which by any criteria is reprehensible. पाँचों उँगलियाँ बराबर नहीं होती हैं is the type of argument which village elders forward when confronted with the discriminatory attitudes.

    I am not in a race with Islam, Like you I care less than two hoots about it, I do not care what Pakistan does within its own borders. But what happens in India is a concern of mine and I will express my views as I feel them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    First – The context in which this discussion started , it hardly had any ring of Conserving the Cultural and Theosophical purity of Hinduism to it. Plus – out here “Protecting My Religion” has much different connotations. Some of them particularly violent. That said, I will let this point pass since you are already explicit in articulating your sense of “Protecting My Religion”.
    Second – We may tend to harp on our “past glory”, a lot of which may not have been existent at all. Even this is fine at a personal level, or even if we strive to spread the belief using democratic means. However, more often than not the trouble starts precisely at this point. Somebody starts asserting the “exclusivity” of narrative co-relating to the belief. More often than not such assertion translates its actions in dictating its beliefs to those who have a belief system at variance with it.
    Third – Religious concepts , even theosophical ones, more often than not tend to have their basis in some materialistic reality. For instance, try tracing the history of “Advaitawaad” (“Dvaita” and “Advaita” are relating terms here), you will understand what possibly led to its spread.
    p.s. : My rhetorically mocking tone in earlier post was pretty much intentional. Not being apologetic about it since I wasn’t being abusive – just pointing out.

  • Anonymous

    Pathak,
    I feel compelled to ask you this question.
    What is your perspective on our own Military’s position (Notice the word “Military” – spanning all three wings Navy, Air Force and Army) on peace with our neighbours ? Do they have a doctrine for it ? Alternately – have they entirely relegated that aspect of policy making to the political class ?
    Relatedly, what is the philosophy they would “policially adapt” in internal strife torn areas such as ,say, Kashmir or North East ?
    Please feel free to bring in your own perspectives as well.

    p.s. : Reposting this as a copy / paste from my earlier post in response to Praveen Saxena initiated thread.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,
    Thank you for the question.

    Most of the countries have a military doctrine however sketchy it may be. The super powers have a very forward linking military doctrines. These doctrines have got their shapes based on the economic conditions of the country, though it could be very lopsided in cases like Pakistan, Korea, Cuba, Iran etc.

    Pakistan has a self-sustaining military that finances itself through supports from the USA and donations and professional fees from the Arab countries.

    In India, we would like to believe that the political class defines our military doctrine. It’s not true. It’s lot more delicately balanced through a mature bureaucracy. In fact, though not o liking of many, the contour of our military doctrine is shaped by our bureaucracy than the military itself.

    The political class is mostly clueless except for the Congress party because of its long record of power at the center. The BJP tried to overcome the handicap through people like Brajesh Mishra. Other parties never mattered much. They even never bothered about the existence of any military doctrine.

    Till recently, due to our hard economic conditions, we were forced to maintain the minimum deterrance. Our military doctrine, if we had any, was mostly Pakistan centric. With a little improvement in economic condition, we raised our pitch a little above and added the China angle. Though we must admit despite our economic handicaps, Mrs Indira Gandhi initiated many projects that would help our military in the long run. Like Nehru, she also called upon the scientific community to take up the challenge and help the country get some power through the integrated missile power.

    Because of our two neighbours, India’s military doctrine is broadly shaped by the role of army

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Excellent write up. A standing ovation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you have spoken like a blue-blooded bloody congressman. A Rajyasabha seat is yours for the asking.

    You are right in saying that the political class, with the exception of the congress, has no military doctrine.

    You said, that is because the congress has been in power the longest.

    I feel, more the longivity of their rule, it is because they have fought three wars, all with our neighbours, two of which were humiliating defeats. They also have been at war within India itself, as in Kashmir and the North East, where the wars have been going on since six decades. The war with the Sikhs ended with the destruction of the Golden Temple, Indira Gandhi’s assassination and the Rajiv Gandhi-ordered anti-Sikh pogrom.

    I almost forgot. The congress government also meddled in Sri lankan politics,-very badly, stupidly and ill-advisedly at that-and our so called peace-keeping force, an euphemism for the Indian army, suffered another wholly avoidable humiliation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right. Meddling in Srilanka openly was perhaps a bad idea. Thanks for supporting the idea – why India should mind her own business and stop worrying about Pakistani hindus.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually, Pathakji, much as you would like to obfuscater the issue or even trivialise it, the congress government is interested in everything in our neighbourhood except the plight of the Hindus in Pakistan, as it adversely affects its image of a secular party.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Told you before they are Pakistanis.

    Hindus are not just Indian. There are Pakistani and Nepali hindus as well. There are many hindus in in south-east asia too. They all are citizens of the respective countries.

    Think of your country. Think of Indians. Not just Hindus.

    Ravi Reply:

    Do you think that is possibe for a Genuine Hindu Fundo

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    Thanks for a Great and lengthy reply.
    You said :
    “All SAARC countries except our western neighbour are part of India’s defence ring. Due to political compulsion, India has lost the grip over Srilanka also partly in nepal. Still they are very much part of India’s multi-ring safety net.”
    My perspective here is somewhat different.
    First , Nepal.
    IMHO, Chinese enjoy comparable influence in Nepal. Another aspect here is – despite comparable influence in Nepal we and Chinese don’t really appear to be acutely adversarial in Nepal.
    Second, the ring of defence.
    I am slightly lost here. Defence against whom ? Is this a hint at extending Indian military influence in the region ? If so, for what purpose ?

    You said :
    “Things started looking up with Mani Iyer ( Sorry Vijay ) taking proactive steps with his Oil Diplomacy. India started reaching out for strategic assets abroad. With the Oil/gas, telecom and rail, mining projects in far lands, Indian Navy is going for a major overhaul. It’s in the process of building a true blue water navy.”
    A small question – is Iran a strong component in Oil diplomacy ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Nepal : Cinese are nice people in Nepal but get all dierty works done through Pakistanis.

    2) A ring of Defence :

    One doesn’t have to send an aircraft or Ship to attack our ring of defence.

    It could be having a place for a listening post, observation centre to monitor Indian military assets, access to sleeper cells who can provide transit points…many such things. Srilanka, maldives, nepal , Bangla Desh are critical from that angle.

    3) Partly true. We want USA on our side. Yet we can’t allow them to overrun anybody and everybody- a sign of an emerging power. India has a long history with Persia. There must be counter balances, even for some bargains.

  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    Your answer to Mahesh with his post- Aabe saale….Wow. You have come a long way ahead. Transition is breath taking, really. Keep it up. High expectations from you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you Pankaj!

    I always look for inspriration from senior pors like you!

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  • Anonymous

    Now we know why Chidambaram never gets angry…He must be eating the hot Chettinad food that keeps him cool…
    New Chettinad Restaurant in NY..coverage by N Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/dining/reviews/restaurant-review-anjappar-in-murray-hill.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I typically prepare chettinad gravy and stock in fridge, then mix up with meat or even vegetables as needed. I know it’s not ideal but making chettinad dishes on regulae basis is no joke. It saps one’s energy. Yet to perfect the Appam.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Here is a North Indian Response.

    अपलम चपलम चप लायी रे दुनिया को छोड़
    तेरी गली आई रे आई रे आई रे

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Maharashtra: Watershed Management

    The success of watershed management projects in Shirpur Taluka, Hirvre Bazaar, Ralegaon Siddhi has prompted the State Government to emulate the examples in more talukas.

    ———–

    Chief minister Prithviraj Chavan wants 11 talukas to emulate example

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Chief-minister-Prithviraj-Chavan-wants-11-talukas-to-emulate-example/articleshow/13403068.cms

    The water conservation department has prepared a proposal for implementation of the Shirpur pattern of water management in the 11 talukas declared as affected by water scarcity. Mantralaya sources said the proposal is likely to be put up before the state cabinet in its next meeting to be held on Wednesday.

    Chief minister Prithviraj Chavan has evinced keen interest in the Shirpur water rejuvenation project and wants to replicate it elsewhere in the state. “The state government has already sanc tioned Rs 10 crore each for the 11 talukas and some of it will be used to try out this project in these areas,” said sources.

    Last week, retired geologist Suresh Khanapurkar held a pre sen tation for all the district collectors and divisional commissioners at the Yashda training centre for district officials in Pune at the chief minister’s behest.

    ==

    For those who missed out the earlier posts, here are the links

    1) For eight years an RSS supporter and a Congress leader have worked together

    http://www.theweekendleader.com/Innovation/1122/united-colours.html

    2) Hivre Bazar village (The village with highest per capita income in India).

    http://www.rainwaterharvesting.org/rural/Hirve.htm

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  • Anonymous

    As Pakistan is getting used to bomb blasts at regular intervals, India is getting
    used to scams on regular basis.

    CAG smells Rs. 1.63-lakh cr scam in Delhi airport deal

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/CAG-smells-Rs-1-63-lakh-cr-scam-in-Delhi-airport-deal/Article1-859905.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you seem to be having a soft corner for Sonia Gandhi, like our friend, Vinod Sharma. I read in some paper that the Coalgate scam is 1.80 lakh crore.

    Now we should be careful while brushing our teeth with Colgate.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which are the states having major coalmines ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whichever state may be having coalmines, the congress party has its hands into the gold mines.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You need just a Geographical map or Political map of India as well ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    A good one!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy has a very poor Geographical knowldge. Could you please help him !

    Or, yours is limited to history only ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are not all coal mines nationalised and under Coal India , which is a CPSU and its subsidiaries ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I wonder why Delhi could not have an airport in jhumertalia where the land price is not like that in Delhi ? That way we could have saved all the land in Delhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak Saab,

    A sincere request. Instead of giving your usual ‘ ‘witty’ reply, can you
    please tell me in a simple language whether the article offended you or I made a blunder of posting the link of the article.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Look for the essence in the article and then decide.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    It becomes very difficult to engage in any discussion if
    you believe and enjoy most of the times in scoring points. If that is the style you want to adopt in
    discussing any issue than I will be very careful in
    engaging with you on any topic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is the problem here?

    You don’t want to read the article you have posted and know the essence?

    You don’t want to go beyond the headline of any issue ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will point out few irregularities which CAG had found.

    .The balance 27% (Rs. 3415 Crores) was generated through airport development fees (ADF) that passengers had to pay.
    ADF was not part of the funding in original agreement.
    Entire funding was to be through debt any equity .
    Why was this changed ?

    Decision to allow levy of ADF was post-contractual
    benefit for DIAL. Any post-contractual clause will
    always smell fishy.

    Services such as ground and cargo handling or parking
    - treated as non-aironautical services provided undue
    financial advantage to Dial.

    Agreement stipulated that DIAL will procure and maintain all security equipment, but aviation ministry
    directed equipment cost could be met from passengers
    service fund which led to Rs 239 crore loss in 2006-11

    DIAL has the right to extend contract period by 30 years not only VIOLATING the commitment in the cabinet note but also giving it an unfair advantage.

    Why CAG has noted these irregularities ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    And…ladies and gentlemen…..the scam is Rs. 1.63-lakh crores !!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    As usual you have not
    said anything about the points raised by
    CAG and you have as usual tried to dismiss everything by
    giving a ‘witty’ reply.

    Enjoy in your own glory.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Those points are minor in comparison to the headline based on which you picked up the article.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Drought of debate will kill democracy”
    That may be his way of keeping the debate going.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One must take a stance for a debate.

    You take a stance and you will never find me missing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan …The CAG objections were relating to the Price and not to the allotment of the land.The valuation was done by Merryl Lynch.
    But what can be done if PathakG is inclined only to denigrate Constitutional Authorities for doing their job because he finds that his Audit Reports are revealing the dishonesty of the govt in power.Thankfully this CAG is an Appointee of UPA. He is a personal choice of the Manmohan Govt , being a contemporary of TKA Nair ,Manmohan Singh’s earlier Principal Secy , from the Kerala Cadre of the IAS. Otherwise by now they would have branded him RSS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only CAG to repeat Advani’s dialogue in a public meeting.

    Refer back to the write up/comment on CAG on this blog itself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So that insinuation has already started , we should not be surprised if ..sometime later even Manmohan Singh may be found to be having a RSS connection for bringing Vinod Rai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It started during CWG.

    Looks like you have been missing a lot !

    Anonymous Reply:

    When shall Manmohan Singh’s links with the RSS start ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    When MMS visits Nagpur and offers a sastang pranaam.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But his Sastang pranaam is there for all to see …or u mean it is OK if it is at 10 Janpath ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you interested to know when MMS would be linked to RSS or not ?

    Decide once for all.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Mohan

    Going by the linked news report, here is my take. I do not know if there has been any scam or abuse of any provisions. If there is then the culprits need to be identified, punished and the company fined heavily.

    1) My favourite phrase – there is no such thing as a free lunch or a cheap lunch, which in this case can be restated as – there is no such thing as a free airport or a cheap airport.

    2) One cannot expect companies to work for love, fresh air and love of flying or planes. See what our governments have done to the railways, precisely on the account that they have tried to run (actually ruin) it on love (of votes), stale system and no love for the trains. Forget Rajdhanis and Shatabdis – they are too few in number. Look at the state of our railways stations, the surroundings and the ordinary trains.

    3) The consortium that runs this airport includes Airports Authority of India, which has a 26% stake in it. The money AAI would make out of this airport is/would be ploughed for upgrading other smaller airports around the country or else the Government would bear the cost out of the tax collections, which would not be acceptable.

    This consortium is also going to build terminals 4 an 5. Where do you think the massive amounts of funds required would come from?

    Imagine if the Government had not allowed the Company to commercially exploit the land. From where would the funds have come. So instead of collecting X amount from each passenger, they would be collecting three or four or ten times the amount and you would be the first one to crib.

    There is a similar arrangement for the operation of Bombay Airport. For the last several years, haven’t you seem a massive improvement in services, infrastructure and ambience every time you come here? The money spent has not been plucked from the trees. Other examples of privately run airports are Cochin, Bangalore and Hyderabad.

    We can wait for the CAG report to be tabled and the concerned committee of the Parliament would examine it minutely, before jumping to the conclusions. Do not go by the news headlines.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks for giving a sensible reply. I had posted the link of an
    article which was published in a news paper. According to the
    article, CAG not Mohan believes that there is a fraud involved in
    this deal.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I believe (I may be wrong) is that the approach of the CAG is rooted in the days of Licence-Permit Raj and every benefit (to the last paisa) must always go into the Government coffers. A one rupee loss is then considered as a scam. I think that is where the problem arises.

    Take the case of 3G auctions, the Government made Rs 60,000 crores and everyone (including the CAG) has been extremely happy. On account of this high cost, has anyone bothered to find how many users and what volume of the 5G services are being used by the aam janta (due to high rates being charged by the Telcos)?

    Here is another problem that may arise, when the next generation of technology 4G is rolled out, what happens to the amount invested by the Telcos in 3G, how would they recover it?

    A reasonable price of the asset be fixed and allot it by a lottery system. IMO, auctions are out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back Manohar,

    I also missed you.

    This time you are acting too smart by a half – now the CAG approach is wrong. It is a consitutional body mandated to promote accountability, transparency and good governance by high quality auditing and accounting.

    Let’s leave aside the telcos auction for a moment and concentrate on the Delhi Airport deal.

    Have you cared to note what is the capital invested by DIAL vis a vis the value of land given to it by the AAI, what is its percentage stake in the consortium – all this is clearly not fair – please try to look at the figures without any bias.

    My question is this? Why was ADF not a part of the original deal (OMDA) signed on April 4, 2006 with the AAI. Who introduced it and why? Where is this money going – in a separate account to exclusively fund the development of airports or in the coffers of DIAL?

    manohar_T Reply:

    Thanks

    1) I expressed my opinion about the CAG, take it or leave it. I am not acting too smart by half.

    2) Reread my original response to Mohan too, especially the first para.

    3) In any project, everything cannot be foreseen, hence ADF is probably not part of the original contract. Who knows, if there was any other consortium, they tpp would have levied some additional charge under some other name.

    3) There may be something not right about the ADF (what is ADF)? If this money is being siphoned off (as you seem to suggest), then surely the CBI/Police will have to investigate. Is any money at the airport being collected without any receipts?

    4) I repeat, if you over value any asset and try and lease/sell, there will be no takers and today the airport would have been as bad or worse as it was pre 2006. I assert – there is no such thing as a free airport.

    Hence, the capital invested by DIAL may not be not relevant. Project funding is a combination of monies from various sources. Their balance sheets should reveal whether they have been prudent or not in this regard.

    ==

  • Anonymous

    Mohan et al

    Now, it looks like one Bhagat and Singh, top execs of Reebbok India have stolen RS 9000 Crores…….

    Has anybody ever heard about corp execs anywhere in the world stealing from their companies….(except financial company swindlers like Madoff).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They are very calculative. They have stolen exactly $1.80billion!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopji,

    I am surprised at this report. I am not saying that fraud did not take place,
    what has surprised me is that, this was going on for several years and
    an international company with propers systems in place was not able
    to detect the fraud. What were the auditors doing, was their no usual yearly
    stock taking of the goods?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They mostly take the pretense of local accounting / invoicing / trading practices and block any enquiry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    Another surprising aspect is the stated figure of 8700 Cr.
    Did Reebok make that kind of sale here ? I am wondering how this stated huge figure of 8700 Cr. compares with their revenues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure the duo encourage without bill sale “as per local custom” in due agreement with Adidas management.

    This is called Global brand going Local. This is how the local management create their value because they understand the local culture and local way of doing business.

    [ I am not joking. I have been witness to few cases myself. ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    TOI has also reported this news. In headlines it says
    RS 8700 and the article says RS. 870 crores. Don’t know
    which figure is correct. Even 870 crores seems very large
    figure to me for a company which sells shoes.

  • Anonymous

    yup,

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  • Anonymous

    pathak/bvs
    Looks like Congress/UPA will see to the end of army as we know. They are also co/equal conspirators in all the money scams – Adarsh, land deal in Bengal, Truck deal..you name it..

    The vaunted discipline was all up in the air a few weeks ago when jawans ervolted against the officers in a camp in kashmir..

    And this whole episode about the general and the incoming general..

    Yes the doctrine “we are all politicians”

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    You have spoilt a good effort– your write up on the army– by trying to make it a Congress, Mani Aiyar and Gandhi family thng.

    first your flawed hypothesis of Mani Shakar Aiyar being responsible for India’s Oil thrust, overseas!!! Very Laughable !

    ONGC was formed in 1956 under KD Malviya. ONGC Videsh was formed in 1989, when Rajiv was about to be booted out.

    THE MAJOR THRUST OF OVERSEAS OIL HUNT WAS DONE DURING PV RAO’S AND NDA PERIOD.

    The intellectually challenged Mani Aiyar was Oil Minister from 2004-2006, where he failed, wanted the KG basin project to fail wanted India to surrender itself to an oilpipeline thru Pakistan. He wanted to merge all the oil Companies and do what Praful patel did with Air India and Indian Airlines.

    Here is an extract of a writeup on ONGC Videsh– where I had some dealiings, during my job years. an organisation which I admire. Please see the dates of action of ONGC videsh and let us know how Mani Aiyar can take the credit and only COngress can take credit.

    —————————————

    Starting with the exploration and development of the Rostam and Raksh oil fields in Iran and undertaking a service contract in Iraq, a major breakthrough was achieved by OVL in 1992 in Vietnam with the discovery of two major free gas fields, namely LanTay and LanDo, in partnership with British Petroleum and Petro-Vietnam. The success carried on thereafter. In 2001, OVL acquired 20% stake in Sakhalin-1 project in the far east of Russia. In January 2009, OVL completed the acquisition of Imperial Energy Corporation Plc.- an UK listed company, having its exploration and production assets in Tomsk region of Western Siberia, Russia with an investment of over USD 2.1 billion.

    The company, adopting a balanced portfolio approach, maintains a combination of producing, discovered and exploration assets, working as operator in 17 projects and joint operator in 5 projects. OVL produces hydrocarbons from its 9 assets, namely, Russia (Sakhalin-I and Imperial), Syria (Al-Furat Project), Vietnam (Block 06.1), Colombia (Mansarover Energy Project), Sudan (Greater Nile Oil Project and Block 5A), Venezuela (San Cristobal Project) and Brazil (BC-10) ; 6 projects are in development phase and 23 are in the exploration phase. OVL has successfully completed 741 km long pipe line project in Sudan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As usual, you missed the wood….

    I talked about a proactive “Oil Diplomacy”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Please revisit your writeup and see how you wanted Mani Aiyar to be given credit, becasue of your own possible equation with him.

    Why was the man removed? If he was so good are not Sonia, Rahul, MMS real villians to throw him out after just 2 years of his Oil and Natuaral Mani Gas :) .?

    Pathakji you should start campaigning that Mani should be bought back and he will then make our Energy effort a greater success than what he created in the CWG !

    Of course with his plans to merge all the Oil majors like BP, HP, Indian Oil etc into a single body reporting to one bureaucrat in the Ministry, who would then report to Mani Aiyar… is a recipie only you seem to be appreciating !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a long story why Mani had to go. To cut it short, it was mostly poaching into the authority of the ministry of external affair.

    Do they tell you anything about the “bird’s eye view” in civil engineering ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    like looking the eyes of birds…also. :)

    After his disasterous stint as Oil miinister… he created the CWG disaster adn then created the disaster of the 70,000 crores looted…

    AND U STILL LOVE HIM !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you carry a cricket bat and ball and play in the board room while discussing an engineering problem with your client ?

    Gopi is already scared to walk on the bridge you design. He fears for his boy losing the professional integrity.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you go by the manish tewari policy of attacking the person in case you sont have answers on the issue?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Read all the postings back if I didn’t have answer or not.

    In any case, you must learn to read and reread since you tend to miss out the vital points.

    BTW keep flaunting your sense of humour.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont miss out vital points. Have never flaunted my sense of humour– or the lack of it. It is for others to judge.

    Of course as a matter of policy– even if there is a personal attack– I can just laugh it off.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hmm…You suddenly got aware of something called “personal attack” !

    Good. Better late than never.

    Awareness is the first step to enlightenment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Good that you don’t miss “vital points”.
    Girls don’t like if you miss them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s what he was hinting when he said “…like looking the eyes of birds….”

  • Anonymous

    PathakG wrote
    Are you interested to know when MMS would be linked to RSS or not ?

    Decide once for all.

    But I think you have already told us. ..When he starts doing Sastang Pranam at Nagpur. So I said he is already performing the Sastang Pranaam .. at 10 Janpath .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    When he took the seat of PM he signed on the dotted
    lines that he will perform satsang pranaam at 10 Janpath regulary. He is just
    doing duty which he is supposed to do and you cannot blame for this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Really gr8 parveen

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    Anonymous Reply:

    RSS has moved to 10 Janpath ?

    Not a chance…Day dreaming at 1300 hrs !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok… so Saastang Pranaam is there …it is not at Nagpur… but at 10 Janpath ….and RSS is not at 10 Janpath. No dispute
    But sooner than later ..it may be discovered that he brought in Vinod Rai after performing the saastang Pranaam at Nagpur.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yeah…there can be 104 episodes….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yeah..that is what we can call a witty reply

  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ RANGA SYAAR ~~~ CHAPTER 2 ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    Around 2 days back, I had tried enlighten fellow bloggers about rang syaars– fake blondes who trap you in a disco in 5 stars — and then when you are just about to enter the zone of bliss– start screaming :”rape rape, give me 1 lakh, or it is rape rape.!”

    Well it was a two fold purpose I had in mind. Well some of us out here travel a bit. It is possible that someone could slip… on a kela ka chilka… or a ranga siyaar… :)

    Well Zoel Hameed, the Irani American woman who accused Luke Paumerbach is turning out to be a true ranga syaar First she shouted rape rape… womanhood looted.., call the NCW,, call the UN…

    Now it tuens out

    a) SHE WAS staying in room Booked by Ryoal Challengers !! Implication is that she was in some sort of understanding with Royal Challengers to be part of their “entertainment team.” !! Cheer leader or just a Party presnsce…

    b) heer so called fiancee was no fiancee but just one fo her many boyfriends… who did a mysterious business.

    And now that as per her plan, she has got her out of court money, she is withdrawing all charges !!

    ——————————————————————————————————-

    Zohal Hameed won’t pursue defamation case against Sidhartha Mallya

    NDTV Correspondent | Updated: May 23, 2012 13:42 IST

    New Delhi: Zohal Hameed, the US national who has alleged that Royal Challengers Bangalore player Luke Pomersbach molested her at a five-star hotel in Delhi on Thursday last, has reportedly decided that she won’t pursue her defamation complaint against the IPL franchise director Sidhartha Mallya.

    On Sunday, Ms Hameed had lodged a complaint with the Delhi commission for women against Mr Mallya for his tweets on the incident.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) Are you advising fellow bloggers to stick to their wives ?

    or,

    2) You are saying Zoel Hameed is a ***** ?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    For all you know, he does not have the foggiest idea. Those damn cobwebs up there.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course I dont have the foggiest idea as compared to you. Your experience and knowledge of this would surely be laudatry…. :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is an honest one. Especially to fellow bloggers who stay in hotels in India.

    a) Dont go by the docile vibes of some of these modern women w can take up the fake clothes of womenhood when it selfishly suits them.

    b) In India at least in some places a big blackmail racket run by some women is on, where the risk of your reputation would be so huge that that you could be trapped into paying.

    c) So if you bump into a cute girl in a 5 star hotel… check out the bottomline first. DOes she really like me… or if there is a priceline, then check it out before getting entrapped.

    d) Ms hameed was racist enough to call Indians “dark and skinny,” Well I’ll let it pass but… I only revealed what she probably was.

    PathakG you used the word, not me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You always have problem with Yes/No.

    When you have to just say yes or no, you will write a Ramayan that’s nothing to do with Ram or Sita.

    Time you recognised.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes ! yes !! to ur earlier questions then..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Then you could have said in a simple sentence instead of writing a stupid ramayan :
    =================
    ” Mohan ! When you travel, please do not talk to any woman, not even cute girls.They are all whores. Please stick to your wife”
    =================

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even before checking out the bottom line, men usually begin to check out the bottom of the girl.

  • Anonymous

    That is what we can call a witty reply.

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  • Anonymous

    Effect of falling Rupee.

    Amitabh Bachchan has started demanding all his payments in Dollars
    instead of Indian Rupees, because –
    woh ab bhi gire huay paise nahin uthata.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one Mohan.

    Heard this one on Twitter:

    Manmohan Singh: I visited 10 Janpath to meet Sonia G. And yes, the rupee is indeed falling there.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    M M R R

    Will brother replace ‘bhai’ in Narendra Modi cabinet?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Will-brother-replace-bhai-in-Narendra-Modi-cabinet/articleshow/13403738.cms

    After Keshubhai Patel there is another ‘bhai’, Parshottam Solanki, who is proving to be a thorn in the side of chief minister Narendra Modi. The Andheri-based strongman is a junior minister for fisheries in the Gujarat government and is threatening the chief minister with dire political consequences if he does not get protection from the Rs 400-crore fishing scam which is on the radar of the high court.

    The entire Koli community, which Solanki represents, calls him ‘bhai’ as he styles himself like an underworld don. Solanki was indicted by the Srikrishna Commission for his alleged involvement in the 1993 Mumbai riots. On March 30, the Gujarat high court directed the state government to give sanction to prosecute Solanki in the corruption case within three months, failing which the governor will have to take a call.

    ==

    The Koli community has a herd mentality and ‘bhai’ can clearly hit the BJP in at least 20 assembly seats, apart from tilting the balance in a dozen more. As a serving minister, he has already started talking against the government at community gatherings. He has also established links with known Modibaiters like Keshubhai, who has become a rallying point for Patels, the other numerically strong community.

    ==

    One thought that Modi would associate only with clean and non-corrupt people.
    We have to wait and see how Modi reacts?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Nice timing. Elections in Gujarat at the end of this year. We will hear few more like this in coming months.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Nice timing by whom?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Just before UP election many articles used to appear showing UP in bad light. Some
    correct, some exeggarated and some fabricated. I m sure you remember Bhata Parasol
    alleged rape cases and Rahul Gandhi’s grand visit which was covered by whole media.
    Same thing has started in Gujarat now. This time Modi will not have a cake walk in
    these elections. Congress is going to come on him very strongly with the help of
    freindly media and ths article is part of that campaign.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Are you suggesting that the Congress is able to influence the Gujarat High Court?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why does “one” have two different yardsticks for politicians who have to compete in the same environment?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Those two different yardsticks have been invented by his own supporters and putting a halo around his head and that is the problem.

    To me as a politician, he is no different and as an administrator, well ……..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am sure you have no problem with a “Mr Clean” tag for MMS and “Supremely Sacrificing Lady” tag for SoniaG.

    Mr. Modi is a visionary and an able administrator without match in this country – even the Muslims in the state acknowledge this. All this sponsored media story (and there have been worse) have never bothered him.

    I would rather have him as PM than a spineless MMS with an economist tag.

    manohar_T Reply:

    You do not have to tell me all this. i know the minds of the supporters of Modi – you, Gopi and others.

    How can this man ever do any thing wrong, post 2002? Isn’t he the best thing ever happened to this country and the planet, post 2002? After all he has solutions for everything from one’s hair loss to nation’s security. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    This guy does not understand Modi at all.

    Modi is not corrupt. So there is no chance that Modi will support a corrupt person. Even Anna says so.

    Modi supports different kind of people i.e. Amit Shah and Mayaben Kodnani because they fall into his category.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I recall and could be a coincidence … when the discusion was on CWG loot , someone kept yelling Amit Shah Amit Shah.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    CWG and Amit Shah !

    You need some summer rest.

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Two more years?

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/two-more-years/952543/0

    Whatever the marks it gives itself, as UPA 2 completes three years, its report card is blotched by the several silences of a government that has mostly failed to decide. When it has spoken out, or assumed the decisive demeanour, it has only been to take a backward step. As it did recently, on the controversy over a long-ago B.R. Ambedkar cartoon that the NCERT textbooks have carried since 2006. Or, before that, in order to, in effect, put taxes back to the early ’60s.

    ==

    The UPA 2 government still has two years to go — a long time in politics. The 2G and CWG scams are now in the courts. At least for now, the Anna mobilisation appears to have met its natural end. There is a global economic slump and the rupee sinks daily. The Manmohan Singh government must now seize the space it has gained and the crisis thrust upon it. It could begin by pushing through some of the belated economic reform measures that it has so far stalled by pointing to pressure from allies. It may even be surprised. Eventually, the survival instincts of its allies could well make it difficult for them to live up to their own threats. But whatever the difficulties, UPA 2 does not have the option of continuing to stand still.

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  • Anonymous

    Pathak,
    Have responded to your response on Military doctrine.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Tried to answer your queries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh Bhaiya,

    I also responded to ur pomfret .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So , how was it ? Stale ?

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Blame the Army’s cover-up culture, not ‘colonial-era institutions’
    Manvendra Singh
    He is co-convener of the Bharatiya Janata Party’s defence cell. He was a member of the Standing Committee on Defence in the 14th Lok Sabha

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3446661.ece?homepage=true

    Praveen Swami caught the wrong end of a long stick in his article “Ladakh troop revolt underlines Army class tensions” (The Hindu, May 13, 2012) (*). His interesting analysis of the indiscipline and disorder by personnel of the Ladakh-based 226 Field Regiment was based on two arguments. His main argument was that the Army continued to run on antiquated arrangements which then created the conditions for troops and officers of the Artillery regiment to come to blows. Combustion is inbuilt in the functioning of the Army and the fracas at Nyoma in Leh was waiting to happen. He makes two points to underline this argument.

    * http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3412907.ece

    ==

    The failings of command, thus, come to be hidden, from platoon level upward. It is plain to the eye who is and is not fit for the higher ranks. But the military bureaucracy only looks at sterilised pieces of paper in the Military Secretary’s Branch. Who they select for commanding a combat unit may really not be fit for that appointment, intellectually, physically or even morally. Murphy’s Law is the most popular dictum in the armed forces, and it catches up some time or the other. In Nyoma, it caught up with the 226 Field Regiment. It is certain that this regiment has had numerous incidents of indiscipline in the past. None came to be reported, or they were covered up. Indiscipline to the point of revolt does not only affect those in the unit, but even those commanding higher formations. Accountability in the Army is lateral and vertical. So to avoid stains, some in the past have ignored goings on inside the 226 Field Regiment. All that it required was an incapable officer and an incapacitated soldier to come together, and they did in Nyoma. First-rate officers and first-rate soldiers in other units continue to perform commendably by “colonial-era institutions.” It is obvious the first-rate are not in the 226 Field Regiment.

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  • Anonymous

    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~~ WHY THE FALLING RUPEE IS NOT BOTHERING POLICY MAKERS ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    The government may announce a scheme for amnesty for people holding money in foeign banks illegally,

    Guess who these people are?

    And when they get their money back… and reconvert to rupees… they would be delighted to get 20% more now….

    Before all the gang starts trying to shout me down. This is what a senior person in the finance sector opines…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    This might one of the reason.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not talking about just one person benefiting. It is about a group of industrialists, politicians, investors, kiskback takers etc etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Possibly!!

    My wife’s card was also charged (for a very small amount) without her authorisation by a company in UK while she was booking something online. When we contested the transaction, they agreed to refund. The amount refunded in Indian Rupees was more than what was charged – blessing in disguise. Only if the fraudulent charge was to the tune of a few lakhs, we’d have made some money out of it!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar/Vijay,

    In just two months Rupee has depreciated by about 12% and that is considered
    huge in foreign exchange market. The white paper tabled by government on black
    money deposited off shore mentions amount of about 9000 crores. 12% of that
    is more than 1000 crores. My head starts spinning when I hear such figures.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Iswar

    ISnt there some foreign transaction fee ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, the foreign currency transaction fee is 3.5% as levied by the credit card issuers.

    I am not talking about that here though. She purchased something online and was automatically enrolled for some “savings scheme” for future purchases without having known that she has to pay a specified amount to them every month. When this charge appeared on her credit card statement, we disputed this with the merchant. They were kind enough to cancel the membership and the money was refunded within three days – at a higher exchange rate vis a vis the British Pound.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please use this lifetime-opportunity-tip and make some money.

    Else, you may regret later !

    Aisa insider tip baar baar nehi milta !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    Well, a credible explanation!

    Plus under the current paralysis they cannot do anything. Let us all pray to all the Gods that we dont go the Greek way!

    Why didnt VK Singh get these rascals out?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because V K Singh was on his way out.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “Why didnt VK Singh get these rascals out”?

    Let me tell you that you do not know the Indian Armed Forces. Period.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is like fxxking before lunch and fxxking after lunch too.

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  • Anonymous

    Once upon a time in Rajasthan there was a poor landless woman labourer. She showed her credentials of being a landless farm worker to become a member of a co-oerative society for landless farm labour. She was allotted a govt plot at a throw away price. That landless worker also happened to be a senior member of the Congress Party . She is now Governor of Gujarat . Who said so … an Inquiry by the Govt of Rajasthan says so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mr. Saxena for sharing this.

    I wonder if PathakG would care to explain this “din-dahare” loot or spin a story around it to save Mrs Beniwal’s skin!!

    For the uninitiated on this story, here’s a link from Economic Times…

    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-05-22/news/31815948_1_kamla-beniwal-gujarat-governor-registrar

    The samiti had claimed that Beniwal and its other members had been putting in 14-16 hours of extreme physical labour since 1958 to develop the 384 bigha land allotted to the society in Jhotwara. The registrar’s order, however, dismisses these claims as false. “From the status of each member, it cannot be expected that they will ever do any physical labour, what to say of 14-16 hours per day,” the registrar has pointed out.

    The samiti’s members include former revenue minister of Rajastan, Kumabram Arya, and his son Vijaypal Arya, besides the established Jaipur builder Surjaram Meer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Fortunately this Finding has not come through a CAG Audit Report.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pratibha Patil was allotted huge land in Pune and Kamla Beniwal in Rajasthan.
    You are rewarded to be chamcha or should I says chamchis in this case of Gandhi family.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    I am also thinking of switching my loyalty if the price is right, ha ha ha

    Anonymous Reply:

    You may quote your price and whisper it in Pathakji’s ears.

    Anonymous Reply:

    one thing I am at a loss to understand is why Congress goes on finding places for ripe old people – Tiwari, Kamla, Pratiba patil, etc etc while keeping the young ambitious ones at bay… Kamla is 83 — long past the age to read Ramayan

    rumour is that the old driver *** railway inister from bangalore – 91 yrs old – will become the governor of kerala

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    Anonymous Reply:

    one thing I am at a loss to understand is why Congress goes on finding places for ripe old people – Tiwari, Kamla, Pratiba patil, etc etc while keeping the young ambitious ones at bay… Kamla is 83 — long past the age to read Ramayan

    rumour is that the old driver *** railway inister from bangalore – 91 yrs old – will become the governor of kerala

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Which is why this abala naari wanted to have an obliging Lakayukta in Gujarat.

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  • Anonymous

    Sure … but one who cannot get Amit Shah out of his mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi, perhaps. Koi shaq?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Philhaal to Amit Shah ko aap yaad kar rahey they. Modi to yahan aaya hi nahin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi, modi, perhaps. Rape, rape certainly.

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  • Anonymous

    I thought it was you who was served the Pomfret.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    As usual you have made a sweeping statement like a true COngressman on the “ranga syaar’ case.

    It was not about all cute girls. It was about girls who hang around in certain 5 star hotels in Delhi and make you believe that they have fallen for you so much that they would like to invi9te you to their rooms.

    It is better to be prudent… as they could suddenly pretend to be awala naari being molested… until you give them huge cash as blackmail amount.

    Well… it was a “be carefull” warning to all, including my pal Ravi. who could be staying in a hotel…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When you make sweeping comments on girls, you must be condemned. I was rather kind to you. I didn’t rip your comments apart.

    You ask people to check girls’ bottomline and make a judgement before befriending. Are you suggesting that the blogmates should look at a woman and think – “is she a ***** or not” before greeting ?

    Anybody who picks up a girl from a disc or pub has the wherewithal to handle the consequences. Your blogmates are not perhaps that type.

    Parveen is as innocent as a scared deer. Shenoy still drools over his wife’s lips. Only Gita that Gopi knows is that of Krishna. Who else left? Mohan ? Yes he travels a lot. He might get tempted if he had a fight with his wife the week before. But I do not think he has the guts to cross the Laxman rekha.

    So why do you repeat again and again with gory details about whores in 5 star hotels, that too without any context ?

    Then you try brand a girl as ***** who you hardly know.

    The PR agencies hire rooms in major hotels for major events as a part of the event. Participants, unexpected guests are usually accomodated. I have been accomodated in Bangalore Club or hotel room that was available for major events many times at the last moment. These things are not unusual. Invited guests after the party usually crash in any of the room that is marked for the event. Many times I have been told to check in any of the 10-15 rooms.

    For event like IPL, the francisee must have booked atleast 50 – 75 rooms in different hotels in the host city and perhaps more in the visiting cities as a group bargain.

    yes, people carry thier party to their rooms many times. So what ? It’s normal. besides consensual sex is no taboo.

    So keep your fantasies on check. Stop tickling yourself.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ THE FALLING RUPEE ~~~
    ==============================================================

    In case the rupee is being allowed to fall freely to help a few pals in high places… then the government is sick.

    @ Mohan

    You are right. The amounts will work out as really huge. But India will soon be hit by inflation becasue of hike in petro prioces

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Congrats. Petrol price hike by Rs 7.5 from midnight has been announced.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    That is what I have been trying to say. SHort sighted government moving on profit for a few.

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  • Anonymous

    Hi Manohar,

    (Carrying on from last few pages)

    Your first few points were more or less related to our personal spats. What’s life on this blog without it – I had also deserted this space while you were away. There is no fun in agreeing with like-minded. Most of the time, Ravi and PathakG are beyond me.

    Now you say:

    3) In any project, everything cannot be foreseen, hence ADF is probably not part of the original contract. Who knows, if there was any other consortium, they tpp would have levied some additional charge under some other name.

    4) There may be something not right about the ADF (what is ADF)? If this money is being siphoned off (as you seem to suggest), then surely the CBI/Police will have to investigate. Is any money at the airport being collected without any receipts?

    4) I repeat, if you over value any asset and try and lease/sell, there will be no takers and today the airport would have been as bad or worse as it was pre 2006. I assert – there is no such thing as a free airport.

    Hence, the capital invested by DIAL may not be not relevant. Project funding is a combination of monies from various sources. Their balance sheets should reveal whether they are following they have been prudent or not in this regard.
    —————–

    ADF is Airport Development Fee – it was not a part of the original Operations, Management and Development Agreement (OMDA) signed by DIAL on April 4, 2006 with the AAI. How can you introduce a charge on passengers when you have an agreement with the AAI (govt) where in you get a land valued at Rs 24,000 crore for a paltry lease rent of Rs.100 per acre per year for a period of 60 years? Why did you get this land lease at the first place at a concessional rate?

    This ADF is not being collected without a receipt – it is official. The issue is why? Also, where is it going? A CPM member raised this issue a couple days back in parliament and the Civil Aviation Minister had no clue where this money was going.

    By the way, the the land value was calculated by Merryll Lynch – not by the GoI – so the question of inflating its price doesn’t arise.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    “where in you get a land valued at Rs 24,000 crore for a paltry lease rent of Rs.100 per acre per year for a period of 60 years? Why did you get this land lease at the first place at a concessional rate”?

    IMO, because nobody would come forward to upgrade and manage an airport for love and fresh air. This benefit would have accrued to any other winning consortium.

    I trust you understand airports and other infrastructure projects are very capital intensive and returns take a very long time to materialise DIAL is also supposed to build terminals 4 and 5. How would you finance these?

    Now that the airport is being run on commercial lines and is not a part of the Government, how does the CPM member expect the Ministers to know? The mantra is for privatisation of the Government entities and the comrades are opposed to any family silver being disposed off.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely agree – it is business and profit is an integral part of it. The question is this. Why an ADF is being collected from passengers – DIAL was supposed to know the financial implications of the deal it was getting into. It can’t introduce a tax on passengers (SC has already struck it down in April, 2011, but the collection continues) to finance its future projects or earn profit.

    If the original proposal was to allow any such taxes to be levied at a later stage, other parties could have bid higher to earn the contract (as opposed to DIAL).

    Because DIAL is also supposed to build T4 and T5 some time in future, it has a licence to loot???? Let’s have a look at the figures:
    a) Equity Capital invested by GMR to run the airport for 60 yrs = Rs 1800 crores
    b) ADF collected in only two years between 2009 and 2011 = Rs 1500 crores

    Is this not a scam?

    Th eminister surely knew where the money was going, all he didn’t know was how to explain it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    And this period of 60 years can be extended by another 30 years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry, it is 30 plus 30 years – 60 yrs does include the extension. I am glad that you brought this up earlier this morning. PathakG ducked it – Manohar is ready to discuss.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for correcting me.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I am not sure how well versed you are in Project Financing. However, let me state a few points

    To finance a project, funds are brought in
    1) by way of equity only.

    Equity is for perpetuity and is to be serviced (by way of dividends, bonus shares, etc.) forever and it will put a unimaginable strain on company’s finances every year.

    2) by way of debt & equity.

    Debt has a short life (say5/10/15/20/whtever years) and once extinguished no servicing (by way of interest) is required. Whenever banks/financial institutions decide to extend loans, they make a sure a certain debt-equity ratio is maintained. The thumb rule is 60:40 -Debt:Equity (*) – it is show me the money first game. It may vary from industry to industry, from project to project and from company to company. With such a mix, the servicing of equity becomes more manageable.

    * At one time, 20:80 was the norm for shipping companies. It must be still so.

    3) in case of a going concerns, part of the profits/fees is collected from the customers/users.

    They help reduce the burden of servicing of the equity and debt and allows the companies to stay afloat..

    If you understand the above, then would you still consider it a scam?

    4) Have they siphoned off the ADF and no one knows about it? In that case, the CAG did not do a good job.
    However, I do not think even CAG has said that money is being siphoned off.

    5) If the Company needs the funds, leave it to the companies to decide. Having said that, I was not aware of the Supreme court ruling. In that case, why no action has been taken by whoever is supposed to do so. Any idea?

    6) Not part of the original agreement. Well that can be argued for ever. I do no see any problem with that, as all eventualities cannot be foreseen. Instead if they had raised more loans for airport development, the charges to passengers may have been even higher under some other head and none of us would have been the wiser.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the detailed response.

    1 and 2 – Fine.

    3. Yes, it is still a scam as it was never a part of the original agreement between AAI and DIAL (I have gone through the contract – ADF appears nowhere in over 60 pages) and its not a small amount – Rs 1300 per person who is flying abroad and Rs 200 for domestic travellers for next 60 years!!

    4. The money hasn’t been siphoned off. GMR (the major stake holder in DIAL) has been collecting it. The government is trying to regularise/legalise it. The government moved the Airports Authority of India (Major Airports) Development Fees Rules, 2011 in parliament last December. The development fee rules allow the levy of ADF. This was done after the SC April 2011 order which said that private companies cannot levy such charges.

    5. Why no action taken even after SC order – too obvious – politicians in power must have had their cut.

    6. This excuse has got no buyers – even Raja did what he did to keep our mobile phone bills low, right? You can’t take our land for peanuts and then charge us to use the same airport you build/maintain. If you can’t make profit without levying ADF, its your problem. You should have known your possible source of revenue before you got into this contract.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    I like this clause of 30 years extention.
    You secure your future, your children’s and
    your grand children’s future also.

    manohar_T Reply:

    You need not agree that it is not a scam.
    You can always file a PIL in the Supreme court.

    There are no vedic astrologers here who can predict every eventuality while a agreement is being thrashed out.

    Recall how the mobile licence conditions were amended by the NDA. I found nothing wrong with it. The country makes course corrections as we go along. Remember it is always work-in-progress.

    Even fully functional airports around the world charge airport fees, so why are you cribbing about Rs 1300 or Rs 200? They need the money for operating the airport too, in addition to upgrading and expanding it. After 60 years these figures may be 10 times more, so save your energy to crib more then.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even the SC would be approached – it’s a matter of time – let the government allow the CAG report to be tabled in the parliament first. It received the report on 11th May but couldn’t dare to present it till the last day of the Budget session.

    I am somehow related to the aviation industry. No airport in the world (as far as I know) charges anything to an arriving passenger – all charges apply to passengers flying out. From 15th May, DIAL is also charging a User Development Fee (over and above the ADF). It would range from Rs 195.80 to Rs 1,068 in the current year and from Rs 207.32 to Rs 1,130.85 in 2013-14.

    Yes, you are right. I shouldn’t crib about this either. After all, we have the world’s best economist as the PM and he can’t do nothing wrong.

    From now on, I’d have a party every time there is an increase in my EMI for the home loan, petrol/gas/milk price or school fees. I’d celebrate it as a means of contributing to the small kitty of the government – that would eventually be used for the upliftment of the poor.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Yes that would eventually be
    used for the upliftment of the poor. We have many poor people in our country like
    Sonia Gandhi, Rahul, Roberji,
    Chidambaran’s son .

    manohar_T Reply:

    Wait for the parliament take a view on it.

    Is there a rule or law that says that an incoming passenger should not be charged fees?

    ——

    Rest of your post is just rant against the UPA, showing your resentment. I have no problem with that. I am looking at this purely from a commercial angle.

    To add to your annoyance, let me repeat – get over the habit of expecting free lunches or cheap lunches.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is no law but a very simple logic – why should a person living in London for example visiting another city (read Delhi) for touristic/business reasons be paying a tax on arriving at the airport? Most airports only charge a departure tax.

    manohar_T Reply:

    To me it may not make sense too, but that is the way it is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    unlike some of the trolls who vanished cursing and then returned whimpering, your absence has always been felt by many of us here.

    With this post you have also made your presence felt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab,

    Although I wasn’t posting anything, I was always reading each and every word being posted here. I am too young to engage with a veteran like PathakG – he has an enviable skill of wriggling himself out of difficult situations. You along with Vijay, Mohan, Saxena ji etc were clearly able to demolish the fake Ravi. Mahesh Mumbaikar’s post are beyond my comprehension. I love to engage with Manohar and hence was quiet while he was away.

    The Congressi-Jehadi combo won’t be allowed to rule here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    well-said. I have always requested Iswar to participate regularly. He brings a good perspective.. make us happy that a bright India will usher with him, Vijay, Rizwan, Pervez, Shoeb etc whose heads are screwed right and brains work overtime…

    Not everthing is lost although our politicians are relentless in their pursuit of destruction

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi ji,

    Thanks for the kind words.

    I had my wife’s B’day last weekend. I had taken leave from work and was busy with family. She doesn’t like to see me here on the blog. The only thing she likes to know from me every morning is the latest joke from Mohan!!

    I always tell my kid about you. I wish he becomes as knowledgeable as you some time in his life – I am past it, anyways. Would you suggest an easy to read history book for a 12 year old which would make him more interested in our past?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    You do bring a different flavour on this blog. Make your
    visits more frequent.

    This for you.

    Two friends conversing.

    1st. ‘ I am fed with my wife, two weeks back she asked
    me for Rs. 2000/-, last week she wanted Rs.4000/-
    and yesterday she asked for Rs. 5000/-

    2nd ” What does she do with all this money “?

    1st : How do I know, I have not given her anything.”

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    And guess what, if I try to pass someone else’s joke as yours, she can catch me – this can’t be from Mohan!!

    She knows you too well!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    iswar–

    I did a long response; however it ended on the top f the blog… this DIsqus is unpredictable

    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    well-said. I have always requested Iswar to participate regularly. He brings a good perspective.. make us happy that a bright India will usher with him, Vijay, Rizwan, Pervez, Shoeb etc whose heads are screwed right and brains work overtime…

    Not everthing is lost although our politicians are relentless in their pursuit of destruction

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    Ravi Reply:

    Most of the whimpering comes from the Genuine Saffron Terrorist BVS when all his attempts to have any opposition expelled from this blog fails.

    He then resorts to blackmail and threatens to leave the blog. But being on the Pay Roll of the Communalists, he can not afford to.

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  • Anonymous

    Bomb blast at Allahabad . 5 killed. It took place in Kareli , a Muslim diminated area not very far from my house.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi will now come up with the names of the usual suspects.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, I hope it is Muslim vs Muslim and not Hindu-Muslim..

    If it is Hindu-Muslim, it breaks a 10 year record of peace in Gujrat

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OOPS–READ IT AS AHMEDABAD..

    THE FIRST LINE STANDS ANYWAY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    I find this crazy. The nature of explosion is not well understood. The explosion occurred in Garbage area. It could even be a accidental blast. We don’t know yet. And you folks are already bringing Hindu-Muslim angle in. Not only that – you are wishing it to be a “Muslim-Muslim” affair.
    Perhaps , Pathetic is the word here.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Of course, pathetic it is. How can it be anything else with Gopi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    OOPS–READ IT AS AHMEDABAD..

    THE FIRST LINE STANDS ANYWAY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, I hope it is Muslim vs Muslim and not Hindu-Muslim..

    If it is Hindu-Muslim, it breaks a 10 year record of peace in Gujrat

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Petrol price raised by Rs 7.50 per litre

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Petrol-price-raised-by-Rs-7-50-per-litre/articleshow/13410796.cms

    In the steepest ever hike, petrol price was increased today by Rs 7.50 a litre with effect from midnight tonight. State-owned oil firms said they will raise petrol price by Rs 6.28 per litre excluding local sales tax or VAT. The hike translates into Rs 7.50 per litre in Delhi. Petrol in Delhi currently costs Rs 65.64 a litre and after the increase it will be priced at Rs 73.14 per litre.

    ==

    A very good move. It is about time we consume petroleum products more prudently and reduce our import bill.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I like your idea!!

    When you can’t avoid being raped, at least enjoy it.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I would expect such a response only from a person who has become habituated (aadat paD gayi hai) to getting his lifestyle subsidized and freebies.

    Le me rephrase General Patton’s famous statement.

    No b…..d ever enjoyed life by spending his own money. He enjoyed life by making some other poor b….d.pay for it.

    What say?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I would expect such a response only from a person who has become habituated (aadat paD gayi hai) to getting his lifestyle subsidized and freebies.

    Le me rephrase General Patton’s famous statement.

    No b…..d ever enjoyed life by spending his own money. He enjoyed life by making some other poor b….d.pay for it.

    What say?

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan

    I guess I have a black tongue. Just when I was saying that we are going to see a huge round of petro price increase. Well

    A RECORD PETRO PRICE HAS OCCURRED!

    Now let us wait for record inflation!

    And the F A L L OF U P A 2 !!!

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  • Anonymous

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/world/asia/24iht-letter24.html?smid=pl-share

    Manu Joseph column in NYTimes..’Greek riots in India’….

    I agree with most of his points; however do not agree that political class is giving and poor is benefitting — as usual there must be zillions of unscrupulous middlemen and bureaucrats stealing a lot of the funds..

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistani doctor who helped US track down Osama sentenced to 33 years : Reports
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Our Pakistani friend who sees BJP, Bajrang Dal and RSS everywhere has his work cut out for the evening.

    Does anybody think that the bajrang Dal have a hand in sentencing of the docotr who was helping the world find a dreaded termite… a swine?

    I request our Paksitani freind to find the link for us… with help from his pals

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    they consider him a traitor and what he did as a treason…

    figure it out

    -it is mulla land

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Similarly Ram Vilas Paswan is going to be honoured with the Nishan-e-Imtiaz for his glorication of the greatest of all Islamic heroes, the one and only Osama Bin laden.

    Gen.Kayani is waiting for the “mausam” to improve, with the kind co-operation from Janab Manmohan Singh and all the separated-at-birth Pakistan Bhakts.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    As I thought, Vinod G will not bring new blog untill this blog crosses 1000 mark. It has crossed now, but let us flood it with posts so Vinod G will come back on monday with new enthusiasm. Ha–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Right now he is re-charging his batteries with the right kind of distilled liquid.

    He has also been looking for his thinking cap, which he had misplaced on Monday.
    .

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  • Anonymous

    Thanks Iswar.

    We were never good documentarians about ourselves — must be the legacy left by our selfless saints who worried about and thought about everything else except themselves.

    There are too many books and not enough books ….

    I will start him with two novels – (these two books got me into go to the depths of Indian mythology, history, heritage, who am I…..) I recommend you and your wife also read them – Both are in Marathi language; I beleive they are translated into all the Indian languages, and definitely hindi and may be even English by National book trust.

    Yayati by VS Khandekar
    Mrithynjayam by Shivaji Samanth
    both these novels weer awarded JnanaPita.

    These are easy to read constantly questioning novels.. It made me to go back and dive deep… although I was much older than your son when I read them.

    I will suggest Panditji’s “father’s letters to his daughter” and “Discovery of india”.. Discovery may be a bit dense; but the Letters must eb OK because he sent to Indiara when Indira was only 10 years. (Panditji, with all his faults, was a great lover of india – its glorious past, its potentials, its smell, its crowds, its rivers, its mountains, its rishis..)

    Another standard history book is “India a History” by John keay.. it covers from Harappa, more in a text book format.

    I will strongly advise the whole family watching “The story of India” a BBC documentary on India narrated by Michael Wood. It simply is fantastic.. I had goose bumps while watching it.. It traces 10,000 years…north, east, west, south…….
    (contrary to common themes, he says the first traced man in india came to Kerala…..who knows!) but it is a well done piece of work – 7 or 8 parts all together for 9-10 hours. You should eb able to buy it from stores or from BBC.

    Make them interested in History –ours, worlds, ….at the end of the day peace and love will conquer…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    ” must be the legacy left by our selfless saints who worried about and thought about everything else except themselves. ”

    What a turn around we have had since then. 180 degree.

    By the way I have asked my son to download The story of India.
    Thanks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    GOPI,

    Girish Karnad wrote a drama Yayati and also played in the same. It was a great success.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Gopi ji,

    I have made a note and saved your post. Hopefully, I’d get hold of these books over the weekend and make a beginning. I’d also try to find the CD of BBC documentry suggested by you.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Just ordered it online.. thanks Gopi.
    Do you have similar recommendation on world history?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Dueling at two fronts in my circumstances is rather taxing. We will talk some time else. But it is important for me to keep engaged with you. Do not believe this? better you believe.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I am in no hurry.

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  • Anonymous

    Amartya Sen’s article on European crisis in today’s NY Times

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/opinion/the-crisis-of-european-democracy.html?_r=1&hp

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  • Anonymous

    THIS ONE IS FOR ALL THE TERRORIST ***-LOVERS, THE JIHADIS AND THEIR ARDENT SUPPORTERS:

    COMING SOON : ADOPT A TERRORIST SCHEME
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    A Canadian female libertarian wrote a lot of letters to the Canadian government, complaining about the treatment of captive insurgents (terrorists) being held in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities. She demanded a response to her letter. She received back the following reply:

    National Defense Headquarters
    M Gen George R. Pearkes Bldg., 15 NT
    101 Colonel By Drive
    Ottawa , ON K1A 0K2
    Canada

    Dear Concerned Citizen,

    Thank you for your recent letter expressing your profound concern of treatment of the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists captured by Canadian Forces, who were subsequently transferred to the Afghanistan Government and are currently being held by Afghan officials in Afghanistan National Correctional System facilities.

    Our administration takes these matters seriously and your opinions were heard loud and clear here in Ottawa . You will be pleased to learn, thanks to the concerns of citizens like yourself, we are creating a new department here at the Department of National Defense, to be called ‘Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers’ program, or L.A.R.K. for short.

    In accordance with the guidelines of this new program, we have decided, on a trial basis, to divert several terrorists and place them in homes of concerned citizens such as yourself, around the country, under those citizens’ personal care. Your personal detainee has been selected and is scheduled for transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence in Toronto next Monday.

    Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud is your detainee, and is to be cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your letter of complaint. You will be pleased to know that we will conduct weekly inspections to ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with your recommendations.

    Although Ahmed is a sociopath and extremely violent, we hope that your sensitivity to what you described as his ‘attitudinal problem’ will help him overcome those character flaws. Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural differences. We understand that you plan to offer counselling and home schooling, however, we strongly recommend that you hire some assistant caretakers.

    Please advise any Jewish friends, neighbours or relatives about your house guest, as he might get agitated or even violent, but we are sure you can reason with him. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items locked up, unless in your opinion, this might offend him. Your adopted terrorist is extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We advise that you do not ask him to demonstrate these skills either in your home or wherever you choose to take him while helping him adjust to life in our country.

    Ahmed will not wish to interact with you or your daughters except sexually, since he views females as a form of property, thereby having no rights, including refusal of his sexual demands. This is a particularly sensitive subject for him.

    You also should know that he has shown violent tendencies around women who fail to comply with the dress code that he will recommend as more appropriate attire. I’m sure you will come to enjoy the anonymity offered by the burka over time. Just remember that it is all part of ‘respecting his culture and religious beliefs’ as described in your letter.

    You take good care of Ahmed and remember that we will try to have a counsellor available to help you over any difficulties you encounter while Ahmed is adjusting to Canadian culture.

    Thanks again for your concern. We truly appreciate it when folks like you keep us informed of the proper way to do our job and care for our fellow man. Good luck and God bless you.
    Cordially,
    Gordon O’Connor
    Minister of National Defense

    BEWARE OF WHAT YOU PRAY FOR, YOU MAY JUST GET THAT.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Outstanding. Brilliant. Shenoy sahab, one praise was not sufficient.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Wonderful . Superb.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent stuff.

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  • Anonymous
  • Pankaj#1

    Mahesh;
    As usual there are lot of pages intervening, hence some copy and paste has become a necessity. I believe, discussion started, when I posted something to Ravi and you were compelled to intervene, despite a heavy work load and a kick or two from your wife to your posterior? Ha..
    No it is too cumbersome, I will have to do copy and paste in toto.
    First – The context in which this discussion started , it hardly had any ring of Conserving the Cultural and Theosophical purity of Hinduism to it. Plus – out here “Protecting My Religion” has much different connotations. Some of them particularly violent. That said, I will let this point pass since you are already explicit in articulating your sense of “Protecting My Religion”.
    Second – We may tend to harp on our “past glory”, a lot of which may not have been existent at all. Even this is fine at a personal level, or even if we strive to spread the belief using democratic means. However, more often than not the trouble starts precisely at this point. Somebody starts asserting the “exclusivity” of narrative co-relating to the belief. More often than not such assertion translates its actions in dictating its beliefs to those who have a belief system at variance with it.
    Third – Religious concepts , even theosophical ones, more often than not tend to have their basis in some materialistic reality. For instance, try tracing the history of “Advaitawaad” (“Dvaita” and “Advaita” are relating terms here), you will understand what possibly led to its spread.
    p.s. : My rhetorically mocking tone in earlier post was pretty much intentional. Not being apologetic about it since I wasn’t being abusive – just pointing out.

    So the discussion started with your assumption that I am defending some different type of Hinduism? Where from you got that idea, can you reproduce any line from my post to Ravi? I specifically asked you, what do you think about people claiming to be defender of Hinduism and their influence on predominantly Hindu-Indian masses. You did not answer that, but took an entirely different line. So come back to Organizations, which are proclaiming to be protectors of Hindus. Name them and then, let us see their effects on public at large.

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  • Ravi

    Ahemadabad Bomb Blast

    I do not know who did it. But I most certainly know who did NOT do it.

    Either way soon a Judge will be appointed to preside over an enquiry. In order to find some peace and quiet and all the information pertinent to this case, he will be sent to London – all expenses paid by the Gujarat State Government – for a few months, may be even a year or two.

    There he would meet erstwhile former SOHO girlfriends of Pomfret eating, beer swilling highly successful writer and on his return the Judge will be handed a pre-written report exonerating you know who and which community.

    Blame will be squarely put on disloyal foreigners still living in India.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I think the bomb blast took place in Allahabad.
    Where does Ahmadabad come in the picture, unless you are talking of some other blast?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Perhaps effects of desi daroo. (: (:

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    That was a reference to the following post made by Gopi.

    OOPS–READ IT AS AHMEDABAD..

    THE FIRST LINE STANDS ANYWAY

    Like
    Reply

    Note Ahemdabad that you missed the first time. I profess to complete ignorence about Gopi’s drinking habits.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Not so fast. Bomb blast was in Allahabad not in Amdavad.

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    Ravi Reply:

    No difference when one is in Banglahore

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    What is this? where from Lahore comes here?? You have written Bang lahore???

    Ravi Reply:

    Yes Pankaj for the last two weeks I have been working in Banglahore. The term is a hybrid of my geographical proximity and the identity thrusted upon me by the chief of tailors guild of Bangalore.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Now I understand what actually you are trying to say. You are banging Lahore in Bangalore. Keep it up.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan I knew you had it in you. It takes vilayati daru for it to come out.

    I think only Vijay is banging, the rest of us are merely praying for guidence

    Anonymous Reply:

    Guidance? I think you had
    missed my joke on guidance
    which I had posted few days back.

    Ravi Reply:

    Did I now….:), :)

    Like you missed Gopi’s post on Ahemadabad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    His body may be in Bangalore, but his heart is in Lahore.

  • Anonymous

    Ishawar,

    Somewhere you commented that I avoided replying to your poser. Let me help you understand.

    I usually do not avoid anybody unless it’s absolutely necessary. How do you know ?

    1) Your comment must be within first top 3-4 pages. ( I rarely browse beyond that )

    2) I have not answered your queries yet I have answered to Vijay’s postings on the same page…( I can’t avoid his comments even if I want to…)

    Then you might think I have avoided your poser which is actually rare.

    Reason of not replying : I might not be online during that period. It’s as simple as that.

    I also vaguely remember it was about Rajasthan/Gujarat Governor grabbing some piece of land.

    I do not follow all political characters. I follow only top ones from different parties. That too if the person has some interesting human behavioural angle. I take keen interest in people and their behaviour. If somebody is not interesting, then I am not interested. I do not do any research before replying to anybody on this blog. if it’s there on top of mind, then mostly I would reply. Doing special research for this blog is not my cup of tea.

    Coming back to the Governor- if she has messed up let her go to jail. Who cares ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fair enough.

    Hopefully, six months down the line, I’d learn enough to face you head-on. Until then, please allow me to take a small pot-shots here and there and then scoot.

    I have said this earlier to Manohar that I avoid engaging with anyone here on an issue which I barely understand, unless my intention is to learn from it. You may have information about so many things on tp of your head, its not the same here. I have to dig it on google – and it works.

    We leave this one here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha. It’s just fine.

    I like people who are forthright.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    There is nothing better than having an open mind – check what others have to say and then make up your own mind.

    Kudos.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    When you make sweeping comments on girls, you must be condemned. I was rather kind to you. I didn’t rip your comments apart.

    You ask people to check girls’ bottomline and make a judgement before befriending. Are you suggesting that the blogmates should look at a woman and think – “is she a ***** or not” before greeting ?

    Anybody who picks up a girl from a disc or pub has the wherewithal to handle the consequences. Your blogmates are not perhaps that type.

    Parveen is as innocent as a scared deer. Shenoy still drools over his wife’s lips. Only Gita that Gopi knows is that of Krishna. Who else left? Mohan ? Yes he travels a lot. He might get tempted if he had a fight with his wife the week before. But I do not think he has the guts to cross the Laxman rekha.

    So why do you repeat again and again with gory details about whores in 5 star hotels, that too without any context ?

    Then you try brand a girl as ***** who you hardly know.

    The PR agencies hire rooms in major hotels for major events as a part of the event. Participants, unexpected guests are usually accomodated. I have been accomodated in Bangalore Club or hotel room that was available for major events many times at the last moment. These things are not unusual. Invited guests after the party usually crash in any of the room that is marked for the event. Many times I have been told to check in any of the 10-15 rooms.

    For event like IPL, the francisee must have booked atleast 50 – 75 rooms in different hotels in the host city and perhaps more in the visiting cities as a group bargain.

    yes, people carry thier party to their rooms many times. So what ? It’s normal. besides consensual sex is no taboo.

    So keep your fantasies on check. Stop tickling yourself.

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    Ravi Reply:

    To Vijay the world is divided in two.

    Noida and SOHO

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your world is Muridke and Tora Bora :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    If you say so.

    I rather be in Muridke than be delusional in SOHO.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Heart is where home is…

    So you are always in Muridke… while having fun in Soho :)

    Ravi Reply:

    You are the one who self confessed that you are partial to sampling the delights of SOHO.

    Besides being delusional you are a dengerate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only Pakistanis who enslave the tender 11 year girls in UK are degenerate and you defended them. Someone on the site commented you looked like one of them…

    I dont want to beleive that. But if it is true… in the name fo humnaity please reform

    As i said…

    Ek din aisa aayega..
    Jab ravi Muridke jaayega…

    Aur hafeez bhai ki bh_ _ _ mein
    Goli daag ke aayega…

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean you said that I defended them.

    Who actually posted that news item here in the first place?

    Now not only you are Delusional, a Degenrate, a Sexist Pig and above all a bleeding Liar.

    Woh din jab tu sudhrae ga, kabhi nahin ayega. Teri padaish hi aisi hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well I have not commented about your ancestors. By doing so… you have only exposed yourself and the bad education the hafeez saeed school of suicide bombing gives :)

    Ravi Reply:

    About the same as an RSS Shakha, I guess

    manohar_T Reply:

    …. and you defended them.

    What a waste of 16 years of school and college/institute, depriving some other more sensible person to get education and skills. You cannot even read, so the question of comprehending does not arise.

    ‘lagta hai 16 saal sirf time pass kiyaa’

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Thank u for the kind comments !1

    Seems my comments on nauker like mentality has reqally riled you.

    Questioning yourself and abusing your mentor is th first step of change.

    may the day come when you use your superior brain for productive national good, rather than worshipping dynasties and obfuscating for jehadis for their protecttion .

    Cheers !

    manohar_T Reply:

    You do not have to reconfirm that you cannot read.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agar padna aata toh … why would I have created spot films on literacy for the Ministry of HRD?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are still making sweeping statments. I may not be a rich guy like you. I may not have gone to five stars every day like you.

    But I know I about what i am saying. There is some racket going on and i was just warning fellow bloggers to be carefull

    As far as Zohel hameed goes.. well i have been proved right on it 100%. In fact I feel sad that such a troll who called Indians dark and skinny got away becasue she partrayed herself as awala naari.

    I think you are twisting my statrement out of context deliberatly as you feel that I manage to pin you down whenver you try to slip in a congress sycophancy agenda or a naukercy agenda Or try to cover up Congress corruption.

    Be a man. Fight in the context. Dont try to Obfuscate. The world sees your game. You still dont realise that :)

    And yes . The sexual fantasies you gave of a clerk opening porno magazines in a girls college and then taking the gorls to the toilet looked like Mastram stories! Even Mohan pointed that out.

    Were they not insulting to the Delhi girls in colleges.?

    The stories you gave of Parents stopping children from computer education… beacuse of a supposed non existent porn scandal … were so terribly funny that it made all of us smile!!

    Cmon Pathak G… I have enough friends– male and female– mwho applaud me for my stance on gender parity. Something which I push on this blog…

    and somthing which you should emulate ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gather all debates that you ever had with me from the day one and put in a tabular format for you to read and reread.

    You will be embarassed. Not me.

    You will take ages to pin me down, if ever you can.

    [ Most of my stories about sexual escapedes are are recorded with question answer format as a part of a research.]

    About that clerk, check out with Arun Jaitley, he would perhaps know him and remember. He was from his college only.

    In this molestation case, a foreigner is involved. All the rich guys (mallyas), politicians even diplomats must have put pressure on this pair to compromise.
    ===============================================
    I read the news about that girl identifying Appaman(?) as “skinny Indian who was trying to push the door forceably. She didn’t know his name, so she described him as “skiny Indian”.

    You come to this blog and tell loudly that she called ” Indians dark and skinny”.

    ==============================================

    You deliberately distort to your advantage.

    I can post 10 links where she described the man as “skiny Indian” who tried to get into her room.

    Kindly post the links where she called Indians as dark and skiny.

    ===================
    A personal advice : Never entertain a guy (stranger ) in a disc or pub if you are with a good looking girl. It might seem to be a casual conversation or friendly joke while you are in the restroom or on the bar desk. Actually guys track you the moment you enter the pub or disc with a good looking girl. Things become difficult if the guy looks like a gentleman and the girl sexy. They deliberately try to be friendly. The sole purpose is to get close to the girl, not you.

    Take it as a survival tip in this bad bad world.

    The case we are talking is of similar nature.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are talking about jaitley… so you are talking about SRCC. Then the period is mid or early seventies. Very very difficult to believe that it was so simple with girls then.

    Let me use my writers imagination to see what early 70’s would have been in India and Delhi. It would have the times of the emergency and maybe JP; when romance was raj kapoor and a flowering Rajesh Khanna and Sharmila tagore and Mumtaz or Asha Parekh. When the sexually provocative thing would have been the Debonair blowup or the khushwant Singh edited Weekly with an occasional bare breast. TV would have been balack and white 4 hours DD with Chitrahaar the only romance provider…

    The only disco wold have been cellar in CP.

    And sex would probably have been girls of loose character… WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT… BUT NEVER KNOWN PERSONALLY.

    One or two girls could have fallen for an exposing clerk. the rest would have reported him to the Dean.

    Pathak G even 20 years later, girls were pretty firm on how far they could go. It was mostly about relationships… built over a period of time. Even the so called fast JNU girls were always slow and steady… only occasionally meandering to the extreme you mentioned.

    So the clerk stroy in my eyes is just a bad story of fiction :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have Writer’s Block. Not imagination.

    ===
    Years before ( yes 20 years before ) JNU Girls used to change clothes in moving car before getting into a disc/pub , exactly in the manner you saw the kapoor girl doing in a studio in the movie Delhi 6.

    That’s how writer/director bring Delhi’s reality in a story.

    You need to interact with people for long long time to get the essence of Delhi in your novel / story.

    Sorry to say, you are a kid in this department.

    As I said before you have many chambers to cross before you step out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Boss

    I have hung around JNU… and I have hung around with JNU girls. It is cheek to cheek with IIT delhi where i did my MTech.

    Sure there was always “faster’ than most of Delhi. But it was usualy speed with “limits’ !

    One of my favourite pastimes in reckless times was to drive my vehicle full of IIT/JNU friends from IIT to gurgaon (then a village) and have a drink on the highway and come back at 5 in the morning…

    I may have a lto to learn… but as I say… I ahve only lead 30% of my life…

    Anonymous Reply:

    You sound like a character from Rajashri production ( Badjatia movies ) movies.

    ==

    You need to experience the life a lot more , understand the complex layers of human though and behavior before you can really brings characters alive in your story/novel.

    Stop thinking of writing now.

    Go, experience the life first.

    For a starter, go and date a power woman, may be 7-8 years older than you. Your learning will start afresh.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well my learning could also end with cries of “rape.. rape…”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, I wasn’t joking.

    I am known for my unconventional training methods.

    But the outcome is usually predefined and guaranteed.

    I know what I am talking about. It’s not a casual suggestion. I do a quick GAP analysis and usually recommend on the spot.

  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    Interesting suggestion! Are you into corpoarate training? Or what sort of training…?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No comment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 ! Well we need to be behroopiyas on the net… it gives us this degree of anonymity…

    But maybe we will meet one day…

    What keeps me long hours n the net is the fond hope that I may be onto somthing which would retrain the brain to detect lifestyle disease and cure it before its onset. Things like sugar, BP, scizophrenia, asthma, arthirites, cholestrol buildup, chronic backaxche, nuerlogical disease…

    Its a huge challenge. I am prepared to fail. Then it would just be a tennins match which I have lost. I know there have been a million docs before me… all probably more intelligent than me. Ten million engineers before me… probably twice as observant as I am…

    But then the is somthing which they must have surely missed.

    Its an intoxicating thought…

    The nasha of my life.

    Maybe I would be in a position to retrain… people for their own good!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Read, learn and debate about “self-healing” process in human cells / animals.

    This process has also been implemented in team building and group design.

    At a high level, a group is designed in such a manner that the group intrinsically does not allow a member to fail. one member or other acts instinctively as a support member without realising or making it obvious.

    Human brain is no different. Many body parts are interlinked. Instead of focusing the main part that is damaged, focus on the parts that are related and can act as support members. The brain understands the relationship amongst the parts.

    Suddenly, you will see the damaged part healing. And it’s because of the induction from other parts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    are their any books or literature on this?

    The brain is of course a marvellous zone. in a woody allen film… he rated it as the second most important organ.

    Well… a coordinated effort is the essence of the human body. Somtimes i wonder when I see animals mating… whther they really do it for a progeny or for that momentary pleasure….

    The Delhi zoo… by the way has been a gr8 place to observe life in action. So has been the metro… which I deliberatly use and dump my chaiffer driven car… just to observe the multitude of humanity… moving, talking,,, running…

    its a higely intersting project.. So even if we ( my partners included) fail… we would have learnt a few things about life…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Read some books on “Sequence or chain of responses”, “response hierarchies”, “condition reinforcers”, “stimulous control” and general sensory-motor development etc…

    Anonymous Reply:

    cool. I’ll hunt for those angles.

    Anonymous Reply:

    i wish you all the best.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx!!!!!!

    I am sure it adds to pep ! Its a long uncertain road ahead…

    I remind myself daily that I am earning my bread anyway. So a failure of a four year old effort is just a tennis match loss…

    Frankly just for clarifications. I got in the zhhal hameed thing just to caution blogmates that there is big dhandha goin on in Delhi– where traps are set in connivance with Police…. Like I said I once went to rescue a friend. Beleive me the Inspector boasted that he had extracted 3 lakhs out of a very very very prominent crickter, by time and and again threatening that the medioai can be called for coverage.

    Anyway, it is for u to believe this.

    so cheers… as I crash into bed…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Try to understand a simple thing. A thing that’s damaged can not be healed directly. take an example of a burnt skin. The growth of new skin happens from the side where it’s in good condition and then slowly spreads to cover the area.

    It’s easier to push water from a filled tank to an empty tank.

    So focus on the good parts that are adjacent to and in direct relationship with the damaged part.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The brain, according to Woody Allen, is the second most important organ, only when it is not possessed of the thoughts about the first most important organ.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    A very important information about this first most important
    organ of our body. This is the lightest ‘thing’ in the whole
    world. It gets up only by thinking.

  • Ravi

    Sanjay Joshi had to resign so that Modi could travel to Mumbai, will Gadkari himslef have to resign before Modia was to start his journey towards Delhi.

    Dilli Door ast

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Modi ka naam sun kar
    Aap ko dast…. :)

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    Ravi Reply:

    The new format no longer handles Devnagari script. Just as well……???? ??? ?? ?? ?? ??? ?? ????

    ________________________________

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    Anonymous Reply:

    aur hum sab ko gul dasta.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Round 1 to Modi. However, arrogance and petty-fogging are not the hallmarks of a leader who aspires to be the Prime Minister, more so the person carries the millstone of 2002 around his neck. If he cannot tolerate his own party men, what of allies and the nation. The rest of the rounds may not go his way. At some point in time. Mohan Bhagwat will say enough is enough.

    As for the unity of the party at the National Executive Meeting is concerned, the damage has been done. The whole planet knows under what condition Modi is attending the meet. What message has been sent across?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have never heard Modi saying that he is aspiring to become PM.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Right.
    I also never heard Rahul saying that he wants to become the PM.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good to know that he knows his limitations.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Like Modi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will not degrade Modi by comparing him with Rahul Gandhi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately, you brought him down to the same aspirational level of Rahul yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No I did not. Manohar wrote about Modi’s aspirations of becoming PM, to which I replied that he has never said about
    becoming PM. Than you brought up Rahul and I just replied.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There is some issue either with my browser or new disqus…the reply got repeated 4 times.

    I am aware you are not hard of hearing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately, you brought him down to the same aspirational level of Rahul yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately, you brought him down to the same aspirational level of Rahul yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately, you brought him down to the same aspirational level of Rahul yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately, you brought him down to the same aspirational level of Rahul yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The message :

    The BJP is a hugely democratic party. It does not run based on any individual’s fancy.

    Modi should n’t be seen with a guy whose vivid sexual escapes were in public domain. Anything wrong with that?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    …. based on any individual’s fancy.

    Whose ‘fancy’ – Modi or Joshi’s?

  • Anonymous

    Petrol to Dollor : ‘ Rishtey mein hum tumhare baap lagte hain ‘

    Now there will be no cases of drinking and driving. Who will be able to
    afford a drink and petrol on the same day..

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For the price of a few litres of petrol, you can get high on your favourite drink and begin to feel that you are driving a Ferari.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    When I am in India I will ride a cycle instead of driving a car.
    Drinking and driving is a crime, drinking and cycling is not.

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  • vijay !

    @ Mohan
    Two months later after the money of Indians comes back to India… dollar would be 49 ropees again

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good.

    Looks like the Trillion dollar black money stacked outside will be here within next two months.

    The economy is set to hit the ceiling !

    They could have done this last year itself. Ramdev wouldn’t have been hospitalised.

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  • vijay !

    Yeh kya naya change kar diya format…
    Good part.
    More comments on one page… easy for travellers like me sitting on a notebook to read without losing the page.
    Bad part
    All comments seem jumbled as there is no demarcation between people. More like sms.twitter

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    A different reading
    S Anand

    He is the co-author of ‘Bhimayana’, the graphic biography of B.R. Ambedkar, and publisher of ‘Navayana’

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-different-reading/953008/0

    Excerpts

    When a reporter called me for a “quote” on the cartoon row, I asked her
    if she even knew where Ambedkar was born. Silence. Our textbooks don’t
    tell students that Ambedkar, unlike Mahatma Gandhi, did not have to
    travel abroad to realise what it meant to be thrown out of a train; and
    that after having earned a PhD from Columbia University, he had to hide
    his identity to rent an inn in Baroda, and was kicked out when
    discovered. Dandi, yes — but neither teachers nor students are aware of
    the momentous, Ambedkar-led, civil rights struggle for water in Mahad in
    1927. Most newspaper editors wouldn’t be able to name the four
    newspapers Ambedkar edited and published. Any small-town Dalit activist
    would know all this. Forget our MPs, the non-Dalit intellectual classes’
    collective ignorance of Ambedkar seems pathological.

    ==
    A year ago the principal of Delhi’s elite Shri Ram School, Manika
    Sharma, was quoted in the Wall Street Journal as saying that she was
    “horrified” and “jolted” when the floor-sweeper from her home enrolled
    her child in the school where Sharma is the principal (goo.gl /TLAqp).
    When saying, “I can’t sit across the table from someone who sweeps my
    floors,” she was vocalising the fear of millions of well-off Indians who
    think the “outcastes” should only serve, stand and wait.

    ==
    In one scenario, the textbook makes students imagine that they receive a
    postcard from Hadibandhu, a “member of the dalit community” in Puri
    district, Orissa. Men from this community refused to follow a custom
    that required them to wash the feet of the groom and guests of the
    “upper caste” during marriage ceremonies. In revenge, four women from
    this community are beaten up and another is paraded naked. The postcard
    writer says: “Our children are educated and they are not willing to do
    the customary job of washing the feet of upper caste men, clear the
    leftovers after the marriage feast and wash the utensils.” Then the
    critical pedagogical import is driven home: “Does this case involve
    violation of fundamental rights? What would you order the government to
    do in this case?”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pride of the nation!

    @Vijay

    You want to change people, retrain them?
    Here’s an opportunity.

    The Nation will remember you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is essentially a rant from a Brahmin who has decided to make money in the name of Dalits. Since he is more educted than most of the people he champions for, he is able to encash this market better.
    A very long write up meaning almost nothing. The highlight – Mrs Sharma’s expressed opinion on sweeper’s son getting admitted in her school. It has nothing to do with his cast – it is class, which has been twisted into caste to promote his agenda.
    Caste, if at all, is essentially rural problem. In cities, it is naturally on the wane thanks to western education and market forces.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Iswar

    Caste is a crutch unfortunately for Congress — they use Muslims in UP, use caste everywhere else…

    BTW, another good book is Yuganth (end of an epoch) by Shrimati Irawadi Karve — Originally Marathi, but available in English

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The less we talk about it, the quicker it would vanish. It is like cigarette ads. Everytime, I see a No-Smoking sign, I think about lighting one up. Out of sight is out of mind. In some western countries (I can definitely tell about UK), you can’t display cigarettes in your store. You would be sold one when you ask for it. The so called liberals and intellectuals are not helping the cause they claim to be fighting for.

    manohar_T Reply:

    “The less we talk about it, the quicker it would vanish”.

    Are you suggesting that we brush uncomfortable realities under the carpet?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Could you please explain Mrs Sharma’s reaction/expression in simpler language. I did not get your message/comment on that point.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Here’s the context in…
    A year ago the principal of Delhi’s elite Shri Ram School, Manika Sharma, was quoted in the Wall Street Journal as saying that she was “horrified” and “jolted” when the floor-sweeper from her home enrolled her child in the school where Sharma is the principal (goo.gl /TLAqp). When saying, “I can’t sit across the table from someone who sweeps my floors,” she was vocalising the fear of millions of well-off Indians who think the “outcastes” should only serve, stand and wait.
    Where is the caste here? The lady in question is rightly or wrongly apprehensive about the class of the person. The writer adds his own twist to it and uses the term “outcastes”.
    The class divide exists – it always existed. Its a law of nature – the powerful would make the rules and ‘rule’.

    AshishC Reply:

    What exactly is Anand’s point?
    1. There is a “correct” way to read history- and Anand wants to decide for us, what parts we will need to read. Hmmmm… is Bhimayana in the prescribed textbook section of class 12 yet?
    Anand says, ” I am no teacher, nor do I have children; textbooks are a distant memory”. What a pity that someone like him wants to sit in judgement on what should be taught to children and how they should be taught.

    2. Anand says, again: ” Most newspaper editors wouldn’t be able to name the four newspapers Ambedkar edited and published. Any small-town Dalit activist would know all this. Forget our MPs, the non-Dalit intellectual classes’ collective ignorance of Ambedkar seems pathological.”
    If it matters at all, I confess I do not know myself and nor do I care. I don’t even care if Mr Anand (who? oh, that man with a book to sell?) thinks I am “pathological” as a result.
    I do say this: if any small town Dalit activist knows this, then I hope he/ she knows other things besides this- like some marketable skills. Because knowledge of “Bhimayana” does not yet count as a marketable skill. I see an attempt being made to market/ deify Ambedkar the same way as Gandhi was marketed; so, very soon we will all know all sorts of trivia about Ambedkar- yet, go fundamentally against the spirits of the great man himself.

    3. Anand says: “My concern over the cartoon in the NCERT Class XI Political Science textbook, Indian Constitution at Work, is how children and teachers in a classroom would read it in a society where caste prejudices and stereotypes are still rampant. Consider the general hostility towards Dalits and those from socially-disadvantaged backgrounds entering elite English-medium schools, as witnessed in the near-racist opposition ….”

    First, an anecdote. About a year back, I was called to the school by my then 13 year old daughter’s home room teacher. Serious compliant. Cartoons sketched by her in her own rough note books were discovered by a classmate and handed over to the teacher. After facing a 30 min harangue from the teacher “Imagine, sir, if this is the respect she holds us in, in private, then…”, I finally told her, sotto voce, “I agree ma’am. I shall tell her, henceforth to only use her own parents and grandparents as subject matter of her cartooning”.
    Dear Bookseller Anand, we the upper caste, racist, casteist, prejudiced, brahminist parents henceforth will only make cartoons of upper caste leaders. There is not shortage of them. Actually, better still- lets ensure only Yadav cartoonists can lampoon Yadav politicians, Bengali Banik cartoonists (not Kutty, he was a Keralite) can lampoon Pramode Dasgupta etc. (Of course all brahmins can be lamponed by anyone; except Mamata- who is unique).
    By the way, we all know atheists do not hide in foxholes- so, I am just curious, where exactly were you hiding this last 60 years?

    4. Finally, Anand makes a pertinent point and asks the most pertinent question:
    “Yes, political parties across party lines use this occasion to shower a patently false love for Ambedkar and his iconic status but remain silent about the recent judgment in the 1996 Bathani Tola massacre of 21 dalits, where all 23 accused were acquitted. But that shouldn’t rankle us much. We live in a country where justice for real crimes, like the 2006 Khairlanji carnage, is elusive, even structurally impossible; a country where it is easier to win retribution for the symbolic desecration of Ambedkar. And when Dalits are forced to take solace only in symbols, who is to be blamed?”
    Dalit activism, like Muslim activism will increasingly be only about symbolism- the “friends of Dalits” like Bookseller Anand will benefit like countless other Muslim activists before him. Who is to be blamed? Why, the answer is easy. Everyone but Mr Anand.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Applause!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Superb retort to this article by Mr. Anand. A sincere request, please
    don’t go on sabbatical again.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan, I have a very crowded schedule coming up..
    - tomorrow evening – serious drinking with a classmate
    - day after- wife wants us to go out for dinner- to some folks I don’t know and not much care about. But, kya karein” Is umar mein, biwi nahin meliegi dobara
    - Sunday – Jamai Sashthi (Bengali custom, decadence at its best- my mother in law will feed her son-in-law.
    Blogging ke liye samay hi kahan hai?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    If I was in India, I would have joined you tommorow evening.
    Others definitely unavoidable. By the way have you told your
    wife about the gender of your classmate?

    AshishC Reply:

    Did you watch “The Marigold Hotel”?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No, never heard of this.

    AshishC Reply:

    The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1412386/
    Tom Wilkinson reunites with his Indian gay friend after 30 years in India- his Indian friend’s wife knew all along that her husband was gay :)
    So, as you see, gender of my classmate is immaterial.. wife will not be happy anyway.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I like this Bengali custom Jamai Sashti. I will start looking
    for a Bengali girl as a wife for my son .

    AshishC Reply:

    How will that help you? You will not be invited to this feast; only your son :)
    Better sell this custom as one to adopt to your own mother in law. BTW, no daru…

  • Anonymous

    UPA – Unlimited Plundering Alliance.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/Popup/2012/5/dabs_jabs_petrolpricehike_1.jpg

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Only those who have got habituated and consider it as a right to get subsidized / free stuff (in logon mein koi self respect hai yaa nahin? bikhaari hain kyaa?) would be delighted by the above cartoon.

    Less consumption, less pollution, less FX outflow.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    not so fast :)
    Navare puts the scams and petrol price hikes on the same level- they both take money out of our pockets.
    Now, your contention seems to be that the petrol price hike will generate revenue which will be put to good use. Hand on heart, now! Is your assumption valid?
    India under UPA is fast resembling a diseased body: irrespective of how much it eats, , it does not put on weight.
    UPA has learn the art of massively scaling up corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    “massively scaling up corruption” – like that usage!

    You are right..they have mastered it..well the party has come a long way from the StateBank/Nagarwala days of Shrimathi Indira Gandhi — 60 lakhs made news then ..and many deaths

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I rarely visit a temple or perform any pooja. Only on Diwali
    I perform pooja at my home and at my work place, because I
    want to continue the tradition of my parents.
    Children/Grand children of Mrs. Gandhi were/are just following the tradition of their family.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nicely put Ashish,
    Manohar talks as if all those who are opposed to the fuel price hike are people without self-respect and living life on subsidies from the Sonia govt. I wonder whether he pays out a little more everytime he goes to a petrol pump – no subsidies for me, please!!
    And Manohar, if you want to seriously reduce the consumption, there are smarter ways – improving the road/rail infrastructure, removing bottlenecks, spending on modernising public transport etc. to begin with. However, hiking petrol prices on a day when the parliament session just got over is easier, isn’t it?
    Even the govt. is not saying that the fuel prices have been increased to reduce pollution :)

    AshishC Reply:

    If increasing the price of petrol would have ensured reduced consumption leading to reduced pollution; then most smokers would have given up smoking by the same logic years ago.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Ditto

    manohar_T Reply:

    Message got repeated – hence edited.

    manohar_T Reply:

    You too, not so fast.

    I am talking economics and people. Like yesterday’s exchange, you bring in UPA, MMS, Sonia, blah, blah, blah and then make insinuations.

    As you have admitted yourself, you have lot to learn. So please learn.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Ashish
    The rupee is being allowed to slide down so that the overseas money of the Indian companies and corrupt can come back at high rates.
    You have really put it nicely that UPA has learnt the art of massively scaling up corruption.
    With high forex reserves we still see no intevention to save the rupee.. This is a govbernment which is now a private enterprise of a few Mafia dons.

    manohar_T Reply:

    You too – not so fast.

    This has nothing to do with UPA. I am talking economics and the mindset of us Indians – ‘muffat mein khaane ki aadat paD gayi hai’. Perhaps Navare also belongs to that same mindset.

    I too have been saying that the UPA for the last two years has been a disaster and would like nothing better than fresh elections this year itself to settle the matter one way or the other.

  • Anonymous

    another format change???

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    By the time we get used to one format, HT comes up with another.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I have told your “parrot story” to many— they just couldnt control the laughter.. be happy to know you are providing moments of pleasure to many…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I wish my wife reads this, as she thinks that I am a very boring
    person.

    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan, you have set the bar very high for other husbands.. but, no man, unfortunately is a hero either to his valet or to his missus

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wife’s dil maange more.

  • Anonymous

    NDA has asked for nationwide strike on the petrol price issue. Quite irresponsible, like the Marxists in kerala and West Bengal!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    They just want to make sure that people don’t forget them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I believe that– Looks like they are also getting money from congress!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are a heart breaker.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Box does not open for a new comment..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    Is this you or some other Vijay..what happened to Kumar..chod diya?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kumar ko kaun chod diya? Vijay? Kaliyug hai…kya karen?

    manohar_T Reply:

    You are right. Irrelevance sometimes does strange things to people.
    Yesterday, both the CPI and the BJP spokespersons were shouting themselves hoarse about the fuel price hike. Why shout?

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  • Anonymous

    All the channels are reporting about Jagan Reddy’s arrest before the weekend.. (how do they know??)

    Everyone here knew how corrupt and ruthless YSR was. Jagan’s money is not amassed by Jagan, but by YSR. Congress/CBI did not have the guts to go after then

    Imagine if YSR got control of Tirupati as he was trying hard.

    Strange that there is no investigation into his accidental death.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Same way that Vijay knows all black money would be back in next two months and then rupee will come down to 49 level.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    Did you interact closely with YSR?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe he was closer to your home than mine.

  • Anonymous

    I am used to reading the posts in the order of “oldest first’. How do I go the last page in this format? Or, I am better off switching my preference to “newest first”.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    I still dont have abox to post new comments. I guess a lot of people will feel happy about this!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    I am using Google Chrome, new box appears at the top.

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    vijay ! Reply:

    thx!

    manohar_T Reply:

    Ishwar

    Click ‘Discussion’ just below the new message box on top (& on LHIS of the community) and select the order of the messages.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Manohar,
    I did that and selected ‘oldest’ option. Now, I can’t jump to the last page say Page 20. I have to load more comments 20 times to get there. Do you have a way around it?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They re trying to make it mobile/tablet friendly.
    Give your feedback to disqus. They have a survey going on.

  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    This Anand is a Kanji iliah, hoping to get a UN HR assignment…
    He vomits this sh– all the time..
    So much so, he had written a book about how Brahmins (the effeminate, vegetarian) controlled /control the sports of Crcket

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    “I dont go to temples for poojas…”
    Whether you are a believer or not, you should.. Temples like Brihadesawar in Tanjore or Puri in Odissa are not mere places of worship..

    The famous singer KJ Jesudas goes to all the temples..He sings and wakes Them up..

    btw Check up on the author Diana Eck…she connects all of India through its temples and streams and deltas and mountains…a person who is dedicated to india..unlike you know who…

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Ishwar

    Select newest.

    Use FireFox browser,if not using already.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,Ishwar,

    Your comments on the facts and figures as in the article.

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/true-lies/entry/of-hype-misadventure-and-gujarat-s-powerdom

    —————–
    A sample:

    “The capital cost of solar power per MW has come down by half. Many of the plants were established on purchase of power equipment at a sharply reduced cost, for Rs 8 crore per MW. Entrepreneurs would recover capital cost of power from government subsidy in less than seven years. As for the rest of 18 years, they would be happily enjoying on government subsidy, especially when the actual cost of producing power is just 15 paise per unit.” He insisted, “What a contrast! Reverse bidding in Delhi has brought down price of solar power to Rs 7.75 per unit. And we are offering Rs 15.”

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I would love to hear the views of Modi bhakts – M/s Gopi, Ishwar, Mohan & Co.

    BTW: Whatever happened to ‘billions and billions’ of dollars worth MOUs?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Manohar,
    Have you actually read the article or simply joined PathakG as soon as you saw a potential weapon against Mr. Modi. What’s the problem he is talking about?
    Should the govt. not invest in oil and gas exploration?
    Should the govt. not encourage solar power generation?
    Tell me the specific charge of corruption as you see here. Back it with facts. Else, lay off.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    What is ‘And Manohar’?

    What makes you think that I have not read the article?

    As I see it (I may be wrong), you haven’t got the thrust of what the author is conveying – it is all about those tall, mega, big, giant ‘claims’ and jumping the gun, so to speak. We need not go into as to why he does that (we all know).

    Did I say anything about corruption? Are you like the two of the others here who are unable to read and cannot comprehend?

    BTW: When the ‘hero/zero is under attack, the worshipers get even more aggressive and tell people to lay off. Thanks for the advice – Lay off. I will.

    I was mistaken that you were open to many other points of views and facts. If you think what the author has written is a load of rubbish – be his guest. It is and would be your problem, not mine.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Calm down my friend.
    I have simply asked what’s the problem as you see in the article.
    Is there a corruption charge you are suggesting. Quite clearly – no. So, you have a problem with tall claims regarding the gas find in the KG basin. I am sure you’d appreciate that it is not easy to predict the exact amount of gas that has been found or could be profitably extracted. The fact is this: 10.8 tcf of natural gas has been found as opposed to the earlier claim of 20 tcf.
    From where did the author get this imaginary figure of 2 tcf?
    Why should I beleive this author when his only sources are “ome government official”. You don;t need to lay off if you have the facts to fight it out. Allegations and accusations without any basis – we hve already have enough floating around against Mr. Modi. A few more won’t make a difference.

    manohar_T Reply:

    As of now, I will go by the figures of the article – I have no reason to suspect them (as I know Modi has been prone to make all those ‘claims’ – MOUs during Vibrant Gujarat summits), unless someone else comes with creditable evidence to the contrary.

    If it is difficult to estimate the actual volume/value of an asset (it is), it is always prudent not to make ‘tall’ claims, they generally end up what they are – just ‘tall’ claims. That is where Modi is to be faulted.

    Reread my post and think about the gist of the article – his ‘claims’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Discount Modi hype. Deliberate distortion of facts to give him glory.

    That’s a deliberate corrupt practice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Deliberate hyping is nothing in comparision to deliberate demonising he has faced over the years from the sponsored media. He has learnt the tricks of the trade. He is using the same media to his advantage!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    Modi saga is a long drawn game. It’s not going to be over so soon. And who put him in a fix? His own men, VHP.
    He is unfortunate in a way.

    Anonymous Reply:

    During last election Modi spent almost 7 years budget in one year on private discom to ensure uninterupted power supply during the election year.
    Who profitted ?
    The private discoms like Reliance, ofcourse.
    And Modi, undoubtedly.
    Who can deny Modi is a visionary and a great administrator?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Assuming what you say is true, he should have rather stashed away the state’s budget in some Swiss or Cayman Island accounts – that would have made you happy? :) :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody stashes away “budget” in a bank.
    Corrupt practices are just not limited to cash in return.
    Reliance had made Mahajan a crorepati. Let’s see who was in this case.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Avoid invoking Mahajan – unless you’d like me to bring up similar names from Congress, my list would any day be longer than any can come up with.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You missed the common link- Reliance.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Sometime back it was reported by the CAG, as to how Modi has milked the state PSUs to the last drop and has almost ruined them for whitewashing purposes.

    As this pertains to Modi, his supporters will take the CAG to task. How dare the CAG……

    Another follower, put forth as what was the need for a Lokayukt in Gujarat?

    ‘Supporters’ (blind or otherwise) ho to aise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha ha…
    Its a shame that you couldn’t find a better write up against Modi. All the facts and figures mean nothing and make no sense – I have read it twice. The writer doesn’t know what he is talking about or unhappy about.
    e.g. actual cost of producing power is just 15 paise – Do you seriously beleive it? Prove it to me first before we carry on the discussion on this any further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Once the capital cost is recovered through heavy subsidy in 7 years, the man will enjoy the full pay on a “marginal cost” of 15 paisa a unit. What’s so difficult to understand? Perhaps you need to do bit of research on “marginal cost”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great, economics is much simpler. I can make sense of most of it even withot any knowledge of ‘marginal cost’ etc.
    Now, assuming that power can be produced at 15 paise per unit thanks to the govt. subsidy, what is your basic issue with it. The state government is subsidising the production of electricity in an eco-friendly way. I see no problem here. Are you suggesting corruption here?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anything beyond a reasonable limit, is a favouratism.
    We will sniff corrupt practices soon.
    You heard a Bhai threatening Guj Govt. few days back.
    Others will in due course. And they will be all insiders, one of few who pays for hair transplants. Keep the antenaes up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If a Kalmadi and a Raja can be silenced, these are only small time bhais. They would be taken care of.
    Media planted stories are good for solace. With all the infighting in Delhi, we managed to beat you hands down in MCD polls, the same would be repeated in Gujrat – wait n watch.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Kalamadi and Raja are under direct supervision of the SC.
    Yes, Gujrat will take a while to crack up…Mayawati did…CPM did…so will Modi.

  • Anonymous
  • Ravi

    I hear that Modi and Gadkari have agreed to work Shoulder
    To Shoulder
    , looking at the two individuals involved, is any other
    position possible??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You mean they are rubbing shoulders?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I meant that any other position would have been a physical impossibility.
    But what I was expecting was a JOINT STATEMENT and not just Mr Gadkari appearing alone. I still smell a rat.
    Who needs who in this partnership.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps they have become ” Ekodor, ek grib”….aapas mein sama gaye….

    manohar_T Reply:

    Here is bad news for Modi. Gadkari has got a second term as the President of the BJP, as per the express wishes of remote controllers – Mohan Bhagwat & Co.

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    Ravi Reply:

    In the TV Coverage only Gadkari was visible. Why was Modi not standing next to him shoulder to shoulder.

    Would I be right in concluding that whilst Gadkari endorses Modi. Modi only endorses the BJP.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress party is against the environment. First, it increased the petrol prices to reduce pollution and now it is considering a partial roll back – I am not happy!!

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  • vijay !

    ==============================================================

    ~~~~ BEAUTIFUL CONGRESS SPIN !!! GOEBBELS TEWARI SAYS
    PETRO HIKE NOT DONE BY CONGRESS ~~~~~

    —————————————————————————————————

    When one Congressi shri N D Tewari is fighting a battle all becasue he dropped a few drops of seed which he now denies and lies— another Congressi troll the Goebbels calle manish Tewari says that Congress did not cause the petro hike !!!

    Arre Congressiyon are you running the government or Rehaman Malik is running this government?

    Let all the Congressi bloggers her tell us who caused this petro hike. Options are

    a) Sunny leaone as she wanted people not to spend money on petrol but on her film

    b) BJP and Modi who hynotised the Oil Ministry to make the Congresss Badnam

    c

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t you do a bit of search on oil price fixing mechanism?

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    vijay ! Reply:

    Who increased the prices period.

    Sunny Leone? Modi? Rehaman Malik?

    Of course Sonia G and Rahul are god fearing people and they wanted prices to be re 1 per litre… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yesterday, you claimed to be knowing Oil companies of India. I am sure you know how the price is fixed.
    Make a qualified statement, rather than a silly one.
    Youngsters on this blog look upto senior blogger like you to learn something worthwhile. Live upto their expectation.:

    manohar_T Reply:

    He does not know what he said one hour ago, you expect him to remember what he wrote yesterday?

    vijay ! Reply:

    If what you can only say is M M R R and I am a slave of the dyansty… ife is very simple. You dont have to learn anything new… after all you have to speak only two lines in an entire film

  • Anonymous

    India’s faltering economy will get worse…
    Heather Timmons (NY Times) interview..
    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/indias-faltering-economy-could-get-wor

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  • vijay !

    ============================================================WHO INCREASED PETRO PRICES !!

    As per Congress you have the following choices

    a) katy mirza (for older fans)

    b) Diya Mrza ( for younger fams)

    c) Riya Sen ( since her MMS failed)

    d) Pooname Pandey ( for publicity)

    Please please… please note… Rahul G, Raabert G and Sonia G did not have anything to do with petro price increase. neither did Congress !!

    ————————————————————————————————–

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  • Ravi

    I was reading Ashish’s post WRT Mr Anand – The book seller. It has disappeared from my screen. Is that the case for others too??

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    manohar_T Reply:

    No. It is still very much hre.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pity I have looked many times but seem unable to find it….

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Here it is

    What exactly is Anand’s point?
    1. There is a “correct” way to read history- and Anand wants to decide for us, what parts we will need to read. Hmmmm… is Bhimayana in the prescribed textbook section of class 12 yet?

    Anand says, ” I am no teacher, nor do I have children;
    textbooks are a distant memory”. What a pity that someone like him wants to sit in judgement on what should be taught to children and how they should be taught.

    2. Anand says, again: ” Most newspaper editors wouldn’t be able to name the four newspapers Ambedkar edited and published. Any small-town Dalit activist would know all this. Forget our MPs, the non-Dalit intellectual classes’ collective ignorance of Ambedkar seems pathological.”

    If it matters at all, I confess I do not know myself and nor do I care. I don’t even care if Mr Anand (who? oh, that man with a book to sell?) thinks I am “pathological” as a result. I do say this: if any small town Dalit activist knows this, then I hope he/ she knows other things besides this- like some marketable skills. Because knowledge of “Bhimayana” does not yet count as a marketable skill. I see an attempt being made to market/ deify Ambedkar the same way as Gandhi was marketed; so, very soon we will all know all sorts of trivia about Ambedkar- yet, go fundamentally against the spirits of the great man
    himself.

    3. Anand says: “My concern over the cartoon in the NCERT Class XI Political Science textbook, Indian Constitution at Work, is how children and teachers in a classroom would read it in a society where caste prejudices and stereotypes are still rampant. Consider the general hostility towards Dalits and those from socially-disadvantaged backgrounds entering elite English-medium schools, as witnessed in the near-racist opposition ….”

    First, an anecdote. About a year back, I was called to the school by my then 13 year old daughter’s home room teacher. Serious compliant. Cartoons sketched by her in her own rough note books were discovered by a classmate and handed over to the teacher. After facing a 30 min harangue from the teacher “Imagine, sir, if this is the respect she holds us in, in private, then…”, I finally told her, sotto voce, “I agree ma’am. I shall tell her, henceforth to only use her own parents and grandparents as subject matter of her cartooning”.

    Dear Bookseller Anand, we the upper caste, racist, casteist, prejudiced, brahminist parents henceforth will only make cartoons of upper caste leaders. There is not shortage of them. Actually, better still- lets ensure only Yadav cartoonists can lampoon Yadav politicians, Bengali
    Banik cartoonists (not Kutty, he was a Keralite) can lampoon Pramode Dasgupta etc. (Of course all brahmins can be lamponed by anyone; except Mamata- who is unique). By the way, we all know atheists do not hide
    in foxholes- so, I am just curious, where exactly were you hiding this last 60 years?

    4. Finally, Anand makes a pertinent point and asks the most pertinent question: “Yes, political parties across party lines use this occasion to shower a patently false love for Ambedkar and his iconic status but remain silent
    about the recent judgment in the 1996 Bathani Tola massacre of 21 dalits, where all 23 accused were acquitted. But that shouldn’t rankle us much. We live in a country where justice for real crimes, like the 2006 Khairlanji carnage, is elusive, even structurally impossible; a country where it is easier to win retribution for the symbolic desecration of Ambedkar. And when Dalits are forced to take solace only in symbols, who is to be blamed?” Dalit activism, like Muslim activism will increasingly be only about symbolism- the “friends of
    Dalits” like Bookseller Anand will benefit like countless other Muslim activists before him. Who is to be blamed? Why, the answer is easy. Everyone but Mr Anand.

    Ravi Reply:

    Many Thanks

    Ravi Reply:

    Not for the first time Ashish has exuded more heat than light in his post.

    He seems to think that any one who tries to change the received national narrative about Dalits is an enemy of the Hindu establishment. His views on Kancha Ilaiah, Arundhati Roy and Ram Puniyani are the same. Guess why?

    It is probably true that MG is marketed. So what. By the same token so are Shivaji, Maharani Jhansi, Maharaja Ranjit Singh and dare I say Shalwar Pehankar, and Golimarkar. Note the campaign to disassociate him from the more disagreeable elements of his polemics. The difference is that he is a willing buyer of all in the list except MG. So one form of marketing effort irks him, while the second swells his chest with nationalist pride.

    History is his humanities hobby which counter balances his deep seated engineering instincts. He therefore scrutinises the ethno methodology of all historical woks and finds them wanting, particularly if the authors interpretation of available light is left leaning. Not many historians have passed the Ashish Truth Test, Mr S Anand is in distinguished company.

    AshishC Reply:

    Very weak; I shall pass responding to this because there is nothing here to respond to.
    BTW, how did S Anand (Eng Lit grad) qualify as a Historian? Unless of course, you think Arundhati Roy (God only knows), Ram Puniyani (engineer), Kancha Ilaiah (Pol Sc) are historians too!

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish
    We know what we are talking about here. People here have variously condemned almost every writer who has tried to challenge the accepted Hindutava Narrative of India. Be it re-interpretations of scriptures or criticism of our ancient social stratification system.
    The main reason for dismissing is “Oh they have a book to sell” or there has been a left leaning conspiracy to present only ONE narrative about India and its past.

    Popular writers very heavily rely upon such historians who write for other historians (which ordinary folks like us will find difficult to digest. This also happens in the field of medicine, law, etc). There work can not and should not be dismissed simply because their original accademic decipline was not History. S Anand can write and that is all that matters. From that point on focus on his content and not HIM.

    The simple truth of the matter is that it is only the Hinduatva types who oppose writers in the list I presented. It is based upon two years of observations here.

    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    there is no “accepted” Hindutva narrative of History in India. The only accepted version of history is what all students read in school- borrowing heavily from Thapar and Bipan Chandra’s work- not Hindutva proponents.
    I focused on Anand’s content- it is you, who are repeatedly imputing motives and labeling.

    Ravi Reply:

    Oh yes there is a Hinduatva Narrative of India. It is in the books used in the RSS funded schools.
    If you were focused on the Content then why the repeated references to Mr Anand being a book seller and being tarined in English Literature. That was an attempt to dismiss HIM and not the message he was conveying.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The new one has a great feature. Go to community and then look for any individual’s list of posts.

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  • Anonymous

    The new format is lousy!

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    With an overdose of M M R R, it looks like his supporters and the BJP-neutrals are squirming. Some have become disoriented and rambling with words like “Katy Mirza, Riya Sen, N D TIwari, Sunny Leone, Lay off, Petrol Prices, blah, blah, blah”.

    Supporters (blind or otherwise) ho to aise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In fact, its the other way round. With Modi’s stature rising in the party, the Congressis are getting worried and scratching the bottom of the burnt pan to find something aginst him – oh, he claimed that the gas find in KG basin was 20 tcf in 2006 ans actually it was only 10 tcf – so, would you like to hang him for this?
    Petrol prices – yes. The increase would be opposed – you can’t win elections in the name of aam admi and then go on ******** them as soon as the parliament session is over. Why didn’t you have the guts to do it when the state elections were on or even when the parliament was in session – did the price of crude oil in international market go up yesterday? And the Congressi spokesperson says that govt. has no control over increasing the prices. It does however has control over bringing it down as it is sensitive to the plight of the ordinary middle class strugling to cope with high inflation and corruption.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I admire your ‘total blind’ admiration for Narendra Modi.

    Nobody wishes to hang him, it is his own creditability is at stake.
    Who cares per se as to what tall claims he makes? The more he does, the more vulnerable he becomes. Accept it or reject it.

    Congress scared of Modi!. I think it will be a delightful situation for the Congress, if Modi is projected as the candidate for the top job. All the minority and liberal vote will just go away and the committed vote and any marginal increase will not make good the loss for the BJP. His vote catching ability outside of Gujarat has been highly suspect as it was proved in 2009 and nothing has changed since to believe otherwise. The CMs from his own party do not want him around, forget Nitish Kumar.

    You picked up the line from Modi (who else) as to timing of the announcement of price hike. It is the privilege and prerogative of the ruling party when to make any announcements. Who is Modi to question that, does anyone question him as to when and where he makes claims? Let him make an electoral issue. If you must know, one of the reasons it was done after the session, because of the an unruly BJP, which disrupts the proceedings of the parliament at the drop of hat – as it lacks the capability to debate issues and the parliament is a forum to do so and not for disruptions. Didn’t he you hear Prakash Javdekar (along with D Raja) shouting at the top of his voice yesterday? Does he think the nation is deaf?

    If there is a middle class, there is even a larger class of the downtrodden, most of them do not know when their next meal will come from. If your sympathies are for the former only – good luck to you, you are part of it.

    If you think it is a bad move, it is the UPA who will face the acid music and you should be delighted.

    I will repeat perhaps much to your annoyance – do not dream of free or cheap lunches (or in this context free or cheap drives).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manmohan Singh has said, several times, that inflation would be brought down within the “next” 100 days!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MMS is allowed to make tall claims – he can’t deliver b’coz his … are tied!!

    manohar_T Reply:

    Allowed by whom?

    manohar_T Reply:

    Allowed by whom?

    Anonymous Reply:

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  • Ravi

    The following authors have been rubbished here in this blog,
    spot the pattern not only among the authors but also among those who readily
    condemn them.

    1. S. Anand 2. Kancha Ilaiah 3. Arundhati Roy 4. Ram Puniyani

    5. Wendy Doniger 6. Martha Nussbaum 7. Romila Thappar 8. Manu Joseph

    9. Any one who has ever visited JNU

    10. So on and so forth, list can be endlessly extended

    What is the common factor that makes these authors so loathsome – mainly on this blog. Outside of this blog they are fairly well respected.

    What is the common characteristic among the regular Blogers here that they find it within themselves the need to denigrate these authors.

    It almost appears as if these authors, at various points have had to sell their books cynically, as if all the other authors that get quoted seem to be those who give their books away for FREE.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Intolerance and non-acceptance of alternative narration and interpretation.

    ==

    In Pakistan, the ‘official’ history taught in schools and colleges under the subject ‘Pakistan Studies’ is full of lies and distortions and can be termed as a ‘national mythology’. The underlining strain is ‘anti-Hindu’.

    Watch Najam Sethi,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0SMZpDgTMA

    Similarly, here in India, the Hindu right and its apologist ‘historians’ have been weaving a mythology of its own and trying to pass off as ‘historical truths’. One need not state what is the underlining strain in these ‘fairy tales’ is.

    Those who do not subscribe to this distortion of history are called all sorts of names and their credentials questioned. ‘Cheapshot’ is one of the terms used here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish ripped apart Anand’s article big time this morning. Neither of you or PathakG had the guts to fight it out with him. However, Ravi is being shameless enough to take moral high ground with his smart writing cursing everyone on the other side of the Congressi-Jehadi fence.
    Some people are out do business – a la Nirmal Baba – they would be exposed at all possible forums.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    There is one narrative by S Anand and a wonderful rejoinder by Ashish and equally good rebuttal by Ravi. I have read all and I have formed an opinion (that particular subject is not one of my fortes, so that I could not offer a fourth narrative or add anything substantial to either side). Where is the question of guts? You have chosen the one by Ashish as the gospel truth – so be it. It is your life.

    Please do not show your intolerant side by calling Ravi all sorts of names and casting aspersions, unless you wish to be very closely identified with ……… Then if he retaliates, then it all boils down tu-tu-main-main and that is not what we are here for.

    Nirmal Baba? What is he doing here?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    Perhaps you failed to notice that avoid taking a stance on either religion or caste.Because if I am an upper caste hindu then it’s by chance.I could have been a Dalit, Muslim or Sikh depending on my parents’ caste or religion.
    But my political thoughts are by choice.
    I fight hard for my stance.

    Think for a moment. If I were to argue my opinion on caste/religion , would my arguments be any less effective than the topics I choose to argue?

    It would always be as lethal.

    Life once put me in such tight corner that I couldn’t afford a decent lawyer and I had to fight all my cases from the lower courts to the high court except in the Supreme court. I also had to take on a top class lawyer of a very reputed law firm in Delhi high court. The case got dismissed after my single argument like my many other cases. Yes, i ripped apart his 890 pages of notice in less than 10 minutes. I always look into the eyes of opposition lawyer, smile and give a look – ” you will get hit even harder next time”, thankfully there were rarely any next time. The judges always had an amusing smile whenever I argued and the opposition lawyers were troubled, cutting across many courts. Once a judge asked me if I were a trained lawyer, I said ” I could have been a lawyer had I opted law instead of the course I chose. The basic power of reasoning is there.”

    Ishwar ! In life we consciously choose NOT to do many things, not that we are not capable of doing them.

    Hope I made my position clear.

    vijay ! Reply:

    Ravi,
    I told you that you have to first clean up your house in Pakistan of hafeez Saeed, Masood Azhar, Zakir Lakhivi Dawood ibrahim etc…. before you talk about India….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Which house shall I start with, the one in Tora Bora, or the one in Muridke.

    Sadly the one in Abbotabad is no more.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    “anyone who has ever visited JNU”
    Generations of courting Delhi-ites on a tight budget have visited JNU- including yours truly.
    You really need to know that mentioning Ram Puniyani, Kancha Illaiah and S Anand (even Manu Joseph) in the same breath as Romila Thapar shows how little you really understand about who is what and how seriously they should be taken.
    Listen I admire Tagore- does not mean I would have sought his opinion on coal mining or css style sheets, if he was still alive.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Only Right leaning people oppose Romilla Thappar. Among other Left Leaning Liberal historians she is well respected and oft quoted. Right??

    There is no clubbing together of names here. Each is individualy numbered. The horizontal lay-out was to avoid a long vertical list.

    As far as CSS is concerened the lay-out of Tagore Poetry is NO bad place to start learning about “Look & Feel”. Tagore was not only a great Poet, he was a good visual artist too.

    I note that you refused to be drawn into commenting as to why each of the writers named and those others of same feather, have been variously abused here. What one thing is common among the writers and those who oppose them???

    Now who was it who said here that Manu Joseph is trying to climb the greasy pole by writing rubbish about India in order to please his paymasters in the USA.

    I will leave your courting experiences for Vijay who is still only an apprentice in that field.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Romilla Thapar’s dubious role in Babri Masjid episode,
    Ms. Roy was caught fabricating stories in Gujarat riots .
    Why people won’t be suspicious of their motives.?
    Recently Yoginder Sikand admitted that he was following
    a planned agenda of some organizations. Why can’t we feel
    that others are also following similar agenda.?

    AshishC Reply:

    Are right leaning people not entitled to a point of view forget about being heard.
    You are wrong, seriously wrong, if you think that people oppose Romila Thapar the historian’s entire body of works. I have read more Romila Thapar than you have read Wendy Doniger.
    Romila Thapar attracted criticism (as did Habib) for letting ideological compulsions dictate their stance on the Babri issue. As a long time admirer of Irfan Habib, it was not his best work- not something he will be remembered for. In mitigation, both Thapar and Habib ventured into current events (read, Politics) and so exposed themselves to attack on their public positions- because they led the attack themselves, along with the usual suspects like Sumit Sarkar etc.
    However much I disagree with the political commentating of Habib/ Thapar/ Sarkar/ Mukherjee etc, I will never dispute their stature as historians. To mention their names in the same breath as S Anand or Manu Joseph or Ram Puniyani is according a status to these “unworthies” they do not possess.
    Kancha Illaiah, DT Rajsekhar.. these are the folks who are hate-mongering among communities. I charge them with having a vested interest in continuation of the caste system.
    Finally, the Indian social science landscape (history, sociology, economics etc) have been dominated by left leaning intellectuals – it is a very closed club- since indepndence with full government support. Thapar/ Sarkar/ Mukherejee/ Habib et al are part of this “official” club. In social sciences, in India, the left is the establishment.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mis-read me.
    I have no defence to offer for any of the writers I listed. They can do their own dirty work.
    My contention is confined to this very blog and the characters that throng here.
    The list of authors are those that have been dismissed here. No nuances about their body of work, just toeing the Hinduatava Line.
    No bunching was ever attempted by me, that is in your read, not in my writing.
    There are communal hate venom mongers among those that champion the cause of an imaginary homogeneous Hinduism.
    They all seem to have kar at the end of their names. Kancha, et al are minor idelogues in comparison to these sources of communal strife

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    ‘ they seem to have kar at the end of their names ‘
    You mean our friend Mumbaikar ? (: (:

  • Anonymous

    Manohar,Mohan,

    Any idea what is the major issue between Modi and Sanjay Joshi?

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    Ravi Reply:

    sources close to Sangh Parivar who worked with both of them said.
    “Things have come to such a stage now that Modi feels threatened that if Joshi is allowed to be reinstated in the party, he could be one of the main hurdles to his national ambitions,” they said.
    “So Modi showed such an adamant attitude for removal of Joshi, sending a clear message to party president Nitin Gadkari and those opposing him from inside the party,” they further said.
    Joshi came to Ahmedabad in 1988-89 from Maharashtra RSS to join the BJP here.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    No idea. Possibly
    1) Inflated egos.
    2) Joshi not willing to play ball with Modi. The former had criticized Modi too often.
    3) Modi wanting a yes men as the office bearers of Gujarat BJP and Joshi was/is not one of those yes men.
    4) Only Modi knows.

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  • vijay !

    To all the dynasty lovers…
    Did anybody manage to locate who increased the fuel prices. ?
    Of course manish Tewari has revealed that it is not SOnia G or Rahul G or Rabert G
    he was hinting at a global conspiracy involving BJP, Isreal Modi etc.
    Wah Re COngress ka goebbels. !!
    !

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  • vijay !

    More trouble for our Pakistani friends…..
    US panel cuts Pak funding over sentencing of doctor who helped in Osama raid

    zero vote in a sign of growing outrage here over Pakistan’s conviction of

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ≠====================
    Pehle apna ghar saaf Karo. Then think of Pakistan.
    =====================

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  • Anonymous

    Could not join you all today since this afternoon, need some time to go through
    all the post . Will do that tommorow morning.

    A Punjabi bra ad.

    Har kudi Di pasnd ‘PREETO BRA’

    Hun 6 sizan Vich uplabh si

    1. Small
    2. Medium
    3. Vadde
    4. Oye Hoye
    5. Hai O rabba
    6. O teri bhen Di.

    Good night guys.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is 2 handfuls!

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  • Anonymous

    Before going to bed thought of posting few lines on Modi and Sanjay Joshi.

    Both were working together in Gujarat in nineties. Both ambitious and wanted
    to prove the point. Both hard workers, both not corrupt. Joshi more famous
    among the party workers because of his freindly nature. Modi’s high
    handed ness/no nonsense approach was not liked by party workers. Modi’s
    public speeches, some of them anti Muslim somehow clicked with the public
    which top leaders of BJP could not ignore. When the time came to chose the replacement of Keshubai Patel, Modi was th first choice and he became CM
    of Gujarat and Joshi was sent to Delhi. Did the animosity between Joshi
    Modi end there? A sex CD involving Joshi surfaced in 2005 which was later
    found to be doctored. Rumors were that Modi was behind this. Joshi with his hard work and because he was liked by BJP workers again slowly started
    rising in the stature. He was chosen to lead BJP in UP elections. Rumors are
    that Joshi is the reason Modi dId not campaign in UP elections.
    Joshi wants to strengthen the party, Modi seems to be interested in strengthening Gujarat only. Joshi RSS follower, Modi trying to deviate from RSS.
    Joshi famous among party workers, Modi famous in public. Easy choice for
    BJP to make. Modi can get them votes not Joshi, so dump Joshi.
    Modi is obsessed with the progress of Gujarat and he won’t allow anyone
    to stop him from his mission. Many may not like to believe but Gujarat has
    changed under Modi. Red tape in almost all government departments has
    reduced and overall people are happy with Modi. He has given huge subsidies
    to Industrialists but that is for the benefit of Gujarat, nothing goes in his pocket.
    The only problem I see that because of praise coming for Modi from all corners
    has made him arrogant. And maybe megalomaniac. I would still like Modi to
    lead Gujarat because he truly believes in progress of Gujarat and in not corrupt.

    Both are honest, both are hard working and both are not corrupt.
    If they forget their animosity and work together, they can do wonders for BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mohan. That gives some perspective. If he was made to resign at 2 am, then is RSS contemplating Modi to lead National campaign in 2014 or it’s all about coming state election in December?

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think it was all about Gadkari’s second term and the BJP Executive meet.
    Much water has to flow between now and December and 2014.
    Other excuses may be found to side-line him and bring back Joshi. He is a come-back kid and has done it before.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Pathak

    Here is an extract from TOI news report : Joshi – Modi ‘Yudh’

    Why does Modi hate Joshi?

    When Modi was banished from Gujarat by then chief minister Keshubhai Patel in 1998, it was Joshi who succeeded him as BJP’s organisation secretary in Gujarat. A former RSS pracharak like Modi, Joshi took firm grip over the party and kept Modi loyalists at bay.

    He opposed Modi’s elevation as Gujarat chief minister in October 2001 and had to leave the state almost immediately for New Delhi where he became a rallying point for anti-Modi activities, especially after the 2002 Gujarat riots. Joshi’s closest aide and former minister Haren Pandya was gunned down in March 2003.

    In December 2005, a CD containing a person resembling Joshi in a compromising position with a woman, surfaced while a BJP national executive meeting was on in Mumbai. Joshi had to resign from the BJP. Later investigations showed that the CD was manipulated and had originated from Gujarat and distributed by the state’s crime branch officials in Mumbai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gujrat’s cops distributed the morphed CD’s of Sanjay Joshi?
    Have they found the killer of Hiren Pandya? Which ministry was he handling?

    manohar_T Reply:

    1) …. nothing goes in his pocket.

    Is that a virtue that only he possesses in India?

    2) arrogant. And maybe megalomaniac.

    Haven’t I been saying for a long time?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    A boy first time went to watch Ramayan. Later one of his friend asked him about his experience of watching the great epic .
    He said ‘ I was very impressed by Ravan especially the way he kidnapped Sita ‘
    Bhai mere, I have written few good things about Modi also.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    That is what I appreciate about you. Not averse to calling a spade a spade.

  • Anonymous

    Whose name comes to mind apart from Modi, when we refer to Gujarat Govt.?
    Or, is ionly Modi like Mayawati, Jayalaltha, Mamta?
    Too centered around the CM only?
    If so, how good or bad is it to have any of them as a PM ?
    BTW, Modi looks a minority amongst these famous ladies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Three best chief ministers in India all have names starting with N.

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  • Ravi

    Mother of all Seedy CDs.
    This morning’s TOI states that A CD showing a Sanjay Joshi look alike in sexually compromising position.
    The CD originated from Gujrat and was subsequently proven to be a fake.
    I wonder what our resident curator of seedy CDs has got to say about this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Sometime please read what others also write. Just few posts below you
    will find that I have written about this CD case which happened about
    seven years ago. Other day I had told Manohar that we will keep on
    hearing such stories regulary because of the election around the corner in Gujarat.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan
    I did read what you wrote. I suggest that you read what I wrote.
    Particularly the title and the last line.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok, so You only want your ‘friends’ to respond to your this post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ==

    Anonymous Reply:

    is this some kind of signal to fake Ravi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you are hinting at “==”, I had to edit them out because of multiple posting of the same message.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Or may be he has taken my advise on drinking – nashe mein lagtaa hai – but even I don’t drink in the morning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ==

    Anonymous Reply:

    The resident curator of seedy CD’s and Ravi have become friends ? Time to celebrate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You did read what Mohan wrote, but understood little or nothing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji is and has the last word on fake CDs.

    He even knows how to prove a fake one as genuine one.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    A Slice of History

    UK honours Cornelia Sorabji

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/UK-honours-Cornelia-Sorabji/Article1-860876.aspx

    On a day drenched in sunshine, a bust of Cornelia Sorabji — the first
    woman to practise law in India and Britain — was unveiled in Lincoln’s
    Inn, the world’s oldest law society. It was a grand occasion, attended
    by women jurists, diplomats and lawyers, and one with a strong
    contemporary resonance.

    ==

    Five years later, Britain unveiled its own Supreme Court and Lady
    Hale became a judge there — she remains the most senior female judge in
    British history. “I’m the only woman in the Supreme Court of the UK,
    which is slow progress indeed,” said Lady Hale.

    The pace of progress in the Indian Supreme Court has been equally
    plodding. Since 1989, when Fathima Beevi became the first woman judge,
    there have been four others, including the two in the current list —
    Gyan Sudha Misra and Ranjana Desai.

    ==

    Further reading

    The book, Opening Doors: The Untold Story of Cornelia Sorabji, is an in-depth account of Cornelia’s struggles to study and practice the law as a woman, her reform work for oppressed Hindu widows, her hidden love affair with an elderly English judge in Allahabad and her clash with Gandhi.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/Sorabji-s-book-gives-in-depth-account-of-aunt-s-struggle/Article1-652467.aspx

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  • Anonymous

    It is commonly known that Joshi and Modi don’t get along. Joshi had always
    been critic of Modi’s style of functioning . Earlier he used to talk in BJP party
    meeteings but lately he has been more open about this in public. As I had
    mentioned in my last night’s post that Modi will not let anyone stopping him
    from his mission of progress Gujart. He believes that Joshi is hinderance to his cause that is why he has put pressure on BJP leaders to remove Joshi from
    Gujarat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi’s work before 2002 is more laudable or after 2003 ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Before 2002 he was more involved in party work, that is why not much is known about that in public. After he became CM he has been working very hard only for the betterment of Gujarat.
    I would say after 2003 . I am not a political analyist, I only write
    what I have seen and felt during my regular visits to Gujarat, and because I belong to this state I try to keep myself updated about
    news coming out from this state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How was his work in 2001-2002, before the riot happened ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    you are trying to be too judgemental about Modi asking questions about before 2001, between 2001-2002, after 2002 etc. I don’t think you care to see the record of any chief minister of any state in this manner. Take thye example of Vilas Rao Deshmukh. He has never distinguished himself during any of his CMships, still he is the chpoice more often than otherwise.

    Rajiv Gandhi too ordered the massacre of Sikhs. OK, there was no ‘before 1984′, but nobody asks the question, “more laudable post 1984?”, “what about between 1984 and 1991″? etc.

    Even most of the pseudo secular editors now acknowledge, even if grudgingly, that Modi’s rule from 2002 to 2012 has seen phenopmenal progress on on all fronts in Gujarat.

    Why don’t you leave it at that instead of indulging in hair-splitting exercioses like a failed psychologist?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No wonder you stitch dresses wrong half the time. Because you always leave at that what’s not visible openly to the public.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t know much about that, but if your aim is to know my opinion of Modi’s involvement in riots than I will blame him for
    being complacent only. He did not give any orders to teach lessons to Muslims. Justification of him being complacent can be attributed to him being new to the job as CM, may be he was
    overwhelmed by the situation. From second day he did controll
    the situation to certain extent but by then many people were killed and many properties destroyed. But looking at the recent riots in London which went on for many days, it seems that it is
    not very easy to controll violent mob. In hindsight in such circumstances, I would say that he did not do a very bad job.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not trying to know if Modi was involved in the riot or not. That’s a foregone conclusion.
    ==========================
    I am trying to know how effective he would have been had the riot not taken place.
    ==========================

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    A definite guide about Punjabis.

    or everything you wanted to know about Punjabis, but was afraid to ask.
    ==

    01) If it isn’t a Patiala peg, it isn’t a drink.
    02) Punjabi proverb – a glass in hand is better than two in the bottle.
    03) A Punjabi wedding without drinks will always have drinks-car parked outside.
    04) A Punjabi after 6 pegs – ‘doosra hai yaar’
    05) Tandoort Chicken – the National bird of Punjab.
    06) Butter Chicken, Butter Naan and Butter Milk – a three course Punjabi meal.
    07) If you talk more about food than business in office, you are definitely a Punjabi
    08) There is no such thing as a ‘Fat Punjabi’, we just belong to a khaataa-pitaa family.
    09) Our biggest tensions – When to eat, what to eat, where to eat and with whom to eat.
    10) You know you are Punjabi if your nickname at home is either ‘ullu de paTThay’ or ‘khotte de puttar’ or ‘bootni deyaa”.
    11) We take longest to think about the sweetest names for our kids. Once we are done we call them Sweety, Pinky, Vicky or Honey.
    12) Every Punjabi knows at least one Sweety, Tony, Jassi, Vicky, Sonny or Honey.
    13) If we use BC/MC more than 5 times in a sentence, it means we love you.
    14) Punjabi kids get a shock of their lives, when in school they are told that BC stands for Before Christ.
    15) When we say Cloney, we don’t mean George Clooney, it is Defence Cloney
    16) Our greeting in English – It is a pleear(*) to meet you.
    16) P for ‘punj mint’. No matter how far or near a Punjabi is from you, he will say he will reach you in ‘punj mint’.
    17) ‘ainvayi’, our answer to practically everything
    18) One is either born as a normal and boring person or is born as a Punjabi
    19) It doesn’t matter whether you are from Andhra, Tamil Nadu, Kerala or Karnataka, we think you are a Madraasi
    20) We know that Canada & England are districts of Punjab.
    21) Which state has the highest English speaking population?
    Before 8 PM – Kerala
    After 8 PM – Punjab

    * pleasure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha… terrific !
    Defence Cloney !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Anybody down Agra is a madraasi !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    which is why Tamilnadu has changed the name of the city itself to Chennai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    My wife woke up hearing me laughing loudly. Superb stuff.

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    AshishC Reply:

    As an honorary Punjoo- having lived in Delhi for 3 and a half decades, I can safely say that no one would laugh louder at these than Punjabis.
    Already circulated to my private FB group of classmates- and the MC/ MC is pouring in :)

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I am glad you all liked it. That is the way we Punjabis are.
    In school, the best sardarji jokes were told by who else – a Sikh classmate.

    Here is one more to wrap it up.
    Favourite Holiday Destination: Wherever alcohol is available for 30 hours of the day, plus or minus an hour or two. Rest of the time is used to get fit and ready for the next round.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    In 1984 I had visited a restaurant in Amsterdam, Guru. Bar in that
    restaurant was named Patila. Guess who was the owner of that restaurant,
    An Indian Punjabi

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    manohar_T Reply:

    jahaan bhi daaru hai, wahaan koi naa koi Punjabi aas paas zaroor milegaa.

    After all, Red Label is the national drink of the Punjabis.;-)

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Laajawab.

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    Thank you. We Punjabis are just like that.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopiji,

    What I had meant about not visiting temples regulary was that I am not a
    rituals following person. I don’t go to temples, perform poojas or pray in
    front of Gods’ pictures and statues. Otherwise I am very much interested in
    visiting famous temples of India, not out of faith, may be out of curiosity about their popularity
    or love for my country. I have visited Tirupathi – twice -, Shirdi, Vaishno Devi,
    Golden temple Amritsar, Akshar Dham in Gandhinagar Gujarat.
    Sidhi Vinayak, Haji Ali and Iskon in Bombay. During my recent visit to Banglore
    after meeting Shnoy, I went to Iskon temple. I had visited Kaal Bhairav Tempe in Ujjain where the statue drinks alcohol. Two years back during my visit to India, I had my tickets and hotels booked for Ajmer where I had planned to visit the
    famous Khwaja Nawaz Dargah, but my younger brother met with an accident
    in Abu Dhabi and I had to rush back. I have plans to visit Orissa and South to
    visit famous temples there. One day probably I will knock at you door in
    God’s Own Land Kerala.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    More Trouble for BJP: LK Advani to skip BJP conclave

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_more-trouble-for-bjp-lk-advani-to-skip-bjp-conclave_1693421

    LK Advani won’t be attending the BJP’s national executive rally in Mumbai, it emerged on Friday,

    ==

    BJP supporters. Will someone care to explain, what is going on?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Advani should gracefully retire. He is too old to continue in active
    politics. May be in his next birth he will get an opportunity to become
    PM.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thankless, heartless,shameless…@zwe#xQWW…..yuyuyuzq@#$

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are abusing me or Advani ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    It got to be you. Who else can I abuse with such love!

    Anonymous Reply:

    I should also reciprocate love with love.

    @3%$&*yIut(*&

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    manohar_T Reply:

    Pathak & Mohan

    I did not know that you both know Russian. Care to translate your messages in English?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even further trouble for the BJP.
    Gopi, Shenoy and AB Vajpayee would also not be attending the Mumbai rally – the reason is common – they were not supposed to attend it at the first place!!

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Let me add the latest.

    Sushma Swaraj too is not attending. Reason ‘a la Ishwar’ – she was not supposed to. Good going.

    Even Rahul Gandhi is not attending. What say?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jokes apart, I believe there is a severe leadership crisis in BJP. There is defininitely some undercurrent of discord amongst the top leaders in BJP.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I think the main bone of contention is the second term for Nitin Gadkari. (Modi-Joshi spat was a side show). They had to amend the party’s ‘constitution’ to accommodate Mohan Bhagwat’s blue-eyed boy.

    Now no one will be the wiser until the last moment as to who would be their Prime Ministerial candidate – the suspense is going to be killing.

    With such discords, how do they expect to emerge as the largest party / group in the next general elections?

    AshishC Reply:

    I like Manohar’s concern about BJP’s prospects in the next elections. Almost as much as I like Vijay Kumar’s crusade to clean up Congress :)

    manohar_T Reply:

    No, that was to tell apologists to see the reality and not build castles in hot air.

    Seriously, don’t we need alternatives and not worry about the TINA factor? Our parties need a kick in the pants every now and then. BJP with Manohar Parrikar at the helm would be my second choice, any takers?

    manohar_T Reply:

    Duplicate message. Edited Out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) :)

    manohar_T Reply:

    Duplicate message. Edited out,

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    A must read.

    Thank you, Mr.Jenkins

    SOMA BASU

    http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/society/article3452025.ece?homepage=true

    When the entire neighbourhood plunges into darkness — thanks to the
    State Electricity Board’s crippling power cuts — the 65 students and
    their 18 teachers at Sholai School, Kodaikanal, are not power-starved
    for a moment. Their school was never connected to the grid. It uses
    renewable energy to meet all its requirements.

    The man who made this mechanism possible is their principal, Mr. Brian
    Jenkins, a British-born social anthropologist. Painstakingly, he has
    built a creative green campus with the greater social good in mind.

    ==

    “I don’t believe in teaching values” he says. “It is a
    pompous adult attitude, like an old chestnut. My idea of education is
    about applications and trying new things. It is not just being
    sentimental but developing genuine sensitivity to all life forms. It’s
    also a lot about growing a sense of responsibility by speaking up.”Mr.
    Jenkins likes being primal. He navigates the pot-holed roads from the
    valley to the hills in a vintage 1934 Baby Austin. “It’s tiring. But
    unless you make a mess of things, you will never learn to innovate,” he
    grins.

    ===

    Running a self-sufficient alternative school is hard work. Jenkins
    invested all that he inherited from his grandmother to showcase a unique
    curriculum. “This is a stress-free school where there are no awards, no
    punishment, no exam fear, no rat race. You only have to take a liking
    to the environment and work in harmony with nature.”

    ==

    A salute to Mr. Jenkins.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good inspiring article.

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    The plot thickens

    APARNA KARTHIKEYAN

    http://www.thehindu.com/arts/books/article3452518.ece?homepage=true

    The chawls of Mumbai, aunty bars, a band called *** September Jai Bharat
    Band, music, dance, plus lashings of Bollywood — Kiran Nagarkar’s
    latest novel The Extras, we learn at the book’s Chennai launch,
    is packed with extraordinary energy, drenched in dark humour and is,
    ultimately, an affirmation of life. A sequel to Ravan and Eddie published 17 years ago, The Extras picks up the story of the protagonists when they are in their twenties. Their lives, twined together, runs parallel in the first half, while in the second, there is some kind of convergence, culminating in their entry into Bollywood — as the title suggests — in the role of extras.

    ==

    Replying to the question about the number of digressions/non-fiction meditations in The Extras (on Mumbai taxis, the Portuguese in India, extras making it big in films, besides popular Rajini jokes), Nagarkar quipped that “fun comes first, as always. I will never make claims to originality. My digressions are very good in one sense — skip it.”

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    PathakG

    What is the Army chief up to? He has less than a week before he hangs up his boots.Is he settling scores?

    After notice, Army Chief puts key Lt Gen’s promotion on hold
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/after-notice-army-chief-puts-key-lt-gens-promotion-on-hold/953643/0

    The Army has imposed a “Discipline and Vigilance” (DV) ban against a
    top Lt Gen. who is tipped to be the Army Chief in two years, effectively
    putting his elevation as Army Commander on hold. The ban bars any
    promotion or posting of the officer until he is cleared by Army
    Headquarters.

    The ban comes after Army Chief General V K Singh personally
    issued a show-cause notice to the officer, Lt Gen. Dalbir Singh, last
    week, asking him to explain why a censure should not be recorded against
    him for his alleged “unprofessional and lackadaisical manner” in
    handling an intelligence unit accused of botching up an operation.

    ==

    This is the second time that Gen. V K Singh has tried to take action
    against Lt Gen. Dalbir Singh. In March he had recommended a CBI probe
    against him for involvement in an alleged parachute procurement scandal
    in the Special Frontier Force (SFF). This was turned down by the
    government after a clean chit by the cabinet secretariat.

    ====

    Related editorial

    Every step he takes

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/every-step-he-takes/953536/0

    Excerpt

    This has been a recurring pattern with the general. He made his own birthday a question of national importance — but only after making it to the chief’s office — bruising the army’s image by dragging the government to court, for the first time in Indian history. Back then, he presented it as a question solely of personal honour and soldierly reputation, up against an insensitive defence establishment. He insisted that he only wanted his own record cleared, and would not interfere with the organisation’s planned line of succession. Right after that, he claimed he was offered a bribe (a year after the event) and rang alarm bells over obsolescence. Even as he claims to be only speaking his mind, his timing makes the army look riven with intrigue. It is, in fact, the one place where a shared national purpose takes precedence over narrow loyalties. Military leadership demands a certain dissolving of personal dissatisfactions and rivalries. It is not about big men, it is about those who keep up the strength and solidarity of the institution. By making himself and his friends and enemies so conspicuous, the chief has certainly not helped the armed services.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One of the Jawan had stolen an arm and a mobile phone during one of the operations.

    So the Army Chief has put a question mark on the career of Lt Gen. Dalbir Singh. And he did it in person.

    I must say a very hands on COAS we have.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Don’t look, leap
    Ila Pathak
    The writer is a professor at the National Institute of Public Finance and Policy, Delhi

    Fuel price hike is the first of many big steps govt must take to rescue the economy

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/dont-look-leap/953533/0

    In the midst of a sharp depreciation of the rupee, the government
    announced a hike in petrol prices. This is perhaps the first of many
    steps the government must take to keep the economy from deteriorating
    further. Rescuing the economy requires a focus on macroeconomic policy
    that includes fiscal deficits and inflation. And better governance
    requires leadership in high ethical standards, the rule of law and a
    well-articulated and -implemented supportive environment for private and
    foreign investment.

    ==

    Read on

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  • Anonymous

    Indian cinema is a joke at Cannes: Livid producer

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Indian-cinema-is-a-joke-at-Cannes-Livid-producer/articleshow/13470310.cms

    “It’s nothing but mutual masturbation,” expostulates Sheetal Talwar from Cannes after the ‘India Party’ on Monday night which Talwar describes in his livid condition as “frigging farce and waste of the Indian government’s precious money.”

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  • Anonymous

    BREAKING NEWS………..BREAKING NEWS
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNS US FOR KILLING OSAMA
    ___——————–________________———————_____________

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/9286544/Amnesty-International-Osama-bin-Laden-raid-was-illegal.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, that is human rights for them..

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    An indictment

    Congress and the art of staying in power
    Seema Mustafa

    http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_congress-and-the-art-of-staying-in-power_1693328

    So, one day there was this spectacle of Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam
    Singh holding up the UPA report card of three years — dismal and blanks
    insofar as the people are concerned — as if it was his own achievement.
    The next day, he was rushing to cover himself with a fig leaf as the
    hefty hike in petrol prices sent the nation reeling.

    ==

    The Congress has come to the conclusion that the real trick to
    governance is to remain in power. And in an era of coalitions where
    regional parties are being strengthened by a desperate electorate there
    can be no better way than to keep the regional parties on its side.
    Singh and Sonia Gandhi barely travel within India. Except for the odd
    visit to Amethi and Rae Bareilly, a few halts during the election
    campaign, when was the last time one heard of the party president
    visiting remote parts of India, meeting the people and holding meetings?
    The prime minister is happy not to do anything of the kind, restricting
    his public appearances to foreign shores.

    ==

    The UPA report card is an impressive looking document as Mulayam Singh
    will vouch for, but that’s the best that can be said about it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I maintain that stupid general must have walked in!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That stupid general couldn’t managed a supposed to be disciplined unit, how do you expect him to manage the chaos.

    Had he manged Army well, we wouldn’t have heard of any controversies in last 2 years.

    See how well Gujarat is managed. No controversies in last 8 years ( except for that silly riot ).

    So your expectation from that stupid general is quite misplaced.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak-Something is seriously wrong with this Gen VK Singh!

    it never stops!

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is struggling with his own inner ghost.
    Now I have stopped worrying about it. He is about to go. We must look forward to the next COAS and wonder he can salvage Army’s image. In fact this is a great opportunity for the next COAS.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Walk in where? Rashtrapati Bhawan, Prime Minister’s Office, Ministry of Defence, Lodhi Gardens? ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Walk in and take over…put all the ******** in jail…declare military rule.. …..

    shoot the “supreme parliamentarians” all 500 plus of them

    manohar_T Reply:

    I think you are living in a wrong country. Pakistan is an option for you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t we just detonate a few nuclear bombs?
    The politicians won’t be there if we are not there. Na rahega baans……

  • Anonymous

    SHENOYBV:pathakG: Actually, Pathakji, much as you would like to obfuscate the issue or even trivialise it, the congress government is interested in everything in our neighbourhood except the plight of the Hindus in Pakistan, as it adversely affects its image of a secular party.0 Vote up Vote down•Reply•Share ›
    pathakG • SHENOYBV: Told you before they are Pakistanis.All Hindus are not Indian. There are Pakistani and Nepali hindus as well. There are many hindus in in south-east asia too. They all are citizens of the respective countries.Think of your country. Think of Indians. Not just Hindus.
    Pathakji, your family emigrated to/escaped into India from West Pakistan and yet you are talking so senselessly and insensitively.You are also wrong on your fundamentals.1.Hindus may be residing all over Asia and other countries, but none of them except Pakistan have subjected their Hindu minority to the inhuman treatment Pakistan is subjecting, like forcible conversion to Islam, kidnapping of Hindu girls etc.2. No other country, be it Nepal, Sri Lanka or Indonesia, had itself partitioned from India.3. None had an agreement like India and Pakistan had at the time of partition that they would protect the their respective minorities and their life and properties. Jinnah also loftily had declared that Hindus can be free to practise their religion.
    Therefore, Pathakji, please think like an Indian and not like a Gandhi family’s ” yours faithfully”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think like an Indian and think only for Indians.

    You too think of your Country. Think of Indians. Not just Hindus.

    —–

    I told Balwinder that he should make effort with the help of rich hindus like Dr Mishra settled abroad to create awareness of the plight of Pakistani hindus and also raise funds to help Pakistani hindus migrate and settle outside Pakistan with new jobs/business.

    I do not want India to dabble in this business. This will encourage Pakistan to take interest in Indian Muslims. I certainly do not want that.

    I also do not want Pakistani Hindus to come and settle in India. Because
    they will always be called as “Pakistanis” even after next 25 years by the same people who are shedding crocodile tears for them now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak/bvs

    Valid points.
    However, India has an obligation to address/resolve/act upon any direct, blatant ethnic cleansing program directed against Hindus in other countries..In a sense, india is home for the Hindu/Sikh/jain diaspora. As a Christian, I will not have an issue with that; and i believe for most of the non-Hindu Indians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s how Arabs and Pakistan start interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.

    Slowly, the World will not be the aggregation of Countries…it will be a polarised World with religion X vs religion Y vs religion Z…..

    A dangerous premise to be in. The World and civilisation will go centuries back.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak, Manohar-
    Israel takes up the case of Jewish mistreatment all over the world.
    Israel may be going a bit too much; but they function as a bulwark against any systemic targeting of Jews.

    India should make sure that Hindus/Sikhs/Jains are not persecuted in other countries.

    Of course, India should be against all systematic cleansing progroms. .

    manohar_T Reply:

    1) ‘India should make sure that Hindus/Sikhs/Jains are not persecuted in other countrie’s.

    Pray tell us how?

    2) We are a secular country, it does not belong to Hindus, Sikhs or Jains or …. , it belongs to human beings, who are called Indians and who are allowed to follow any religion of their choice.

    3) We have been unable to take care of our own people (you may add religious labels to them, if you wish) in India (again you may blame it on 60 years of Congress rule) and you expect us to take up responsibility of more people around the world, just because they are ……….?

    Anonymous Reply:

    As Manohar raised the point – are we ready to allow Islamic countries interfere in our internal matter and worry about Indian Muslims?
    More than India, Sankaracharya must raise this point and coordinate with the highest muslim cleric in Pakistan to resolve this issue. Let it be a religion to religion contact than a country to country contact.
    Israel’s case is completely different. It’s the land of Jews. They go after anybody who harm Jews. May be a secret outfit of RSS can do this – hit people who force ably convert Hindus in other countries.

    manohar_T Reply:

    “India has an obligation to address/resolve/act blah, blah, blah”

    No, we do not have any obligation, if you go on the basis of the religion of the ‘oppressed’. We, along with other nations, can only urge the country in question to respect the human rights of all the people. I had asked you once earlier (you did not answer then ) – have you ever looked at people as humans beings or us as Indians, or is it always through labels such as Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, et al?

    Would you care to explain as to how we should fulfill our ‘obligation’?

    You being a Christian or whatever is of no consequence whatsoever. Since you said so, what are you trying to prove or convey by saying so?

    How would you like Islamic countries choosing to address/resolve real or imagined injustices to Muslims in our own country? Going by your logic, you would welcome it.

    Ravi Reply:

    Well said PathakG

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  • Anonymous

    this is good news… hope this will reduce the poaching of tigers

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/25/poach-the-tiger-poachers-policy-seen-as-extreme-but-necessary/

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    manohar_T Reply:

    One may or may not approve of the new measure, but then I suppose desperate situations call for desperate measures, given the low number of tigers left. Though it would be very difficult to justify it. One has to see if the courts sanction the new measure – someone is bound to file a case/PIL.

    Hopefully the guards do not misuse the powers bestowed upon them.

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  • Anonymous

    US lawmakers call Pakistan ‘terrorist state’, ’schizophrenic ally
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-lawmakers-call-Pakistan-terrorist-state-schizophrenic-ally/articleshow/13492994.cms

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    We have to wait and see if this is on continuing basis or is it one-off measure. US can surely turn on the screws on Pakistan.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I hope it does sooner than later

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mr Shenoy

    Hello to you and everyone. Hectic schedules have kept me away from this blogsite, even though I feel I have missed some fun and enlightenment. I do occasionally scroll through the comments and always check out what is the big fight about.

    Your comment about the plight of HIndus in Pakistan compels me to write my opinion. The ignoring of their plight is a symptom of the cowardly, voiceless, incapable and morally corrupt this Congress government is. The only purpose this government survives is to ensure that through power its minions can build fortunes and continue the monoply of a set of families who control the Congress.

    Ignoring Hindus is considered fashionable by communists and COngressmen. These very people have passed resolutions condemning the apartheid treatment of Blacks in Africa– the basis of which Gandhiji founded the
    Congress. Right through 60’s till the late nineties it was a matter of habit for the left and the Congress to condemn American imperialism against Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East. The Communists took out periodic rallies against the isolation of North Koreans, rallies in favour of the murderer called Pol Pot…

    But ask these cowards to say something about butchering and conversion of HIndus in Pakistan and elsewhere, both the Communists and the Congressmen will pretend that everything is hunky dowry. In their worldview the Hindu blood is cheap and to be made fun off.

    I am very surprised that even Manohar dismissed the plight of the Hindus being forciblely converted or murdered in Pakistan as nothing serious. I used to read his postings as well as yours in my blog flipping, I am very disappointed by him

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Very passionate post.

    However, what is your view that if India starts to meddle in Pakistan affairs -becuase Hindus are being mistreated and forcibly converted etc..then Pakistan will start taking interest in Indian Muslims, not only in Kashmir but also elsewhere.

    The best way to deal with the plight of Hindus in Pakistan is on Human Rights ground and not simply because they are fellow Hindus.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Vinoo

    “I am very surprised that even Manohar dismissed the plight of the Hindus
    being forciblely converted or murdered in Pakistan as nothing serious. I
    used to read his postings as well as yours in my blog flipping, I am
    very disappointed by him”

    Of course, you would be disappointed, if you do not read all my posts on the subject in context. I look at people as people and not selectively with religious labels as Hindus, Muslims, Christians, etc. For me, these are human rights issues and they need to be tackled as such.

    There is a difference between previous instances mentioned by you. For example, Apartheid was state sanctioned policy and India (you may read it as Congress) along most nations was right to demand an end to it for all, just not only for Hindus in South Africa.

    Coming to Pakistan, you wail about the ill-treatment of Hindus there (fair enough), 1) but you do not shed ‘crocodile tears’ for Christians and other minority Muslims sects, who also face human rights violations 2) have you ever wondered how we have treated our own minorities? Need a hint – here it is – 2002. As Pathak here keeps telling members here with the same ideological leanings as you – pehle apnaa ghar saaf karo, phir doosro.n pe ungli uThaao. Further, you (not me) have made this into Congress – vs – Who? issue. At least Congress has an iota of moral authority to tell Pakistan about the plight of Hindus. What moral authority or face would the BJP had or has to tell Pakistan, given its own hatred for the minorities and translated into action, whenever the opportunity arose – Babri Masjid, 2002, Kandhamal, etc.

    Very sad (I am not surprised though) that you look at issues first as Hindus – vs- the Rest, second RSS/BJP – vs – Congress. Labels, labels, everywhere. With such a mindset, of course, you will disappointed with my posts in future too.

    I have requested all those (who say India should do something about the plight of only Hindus in Pakistan and elsewhere) as to what and how India should go about it. There has been a thundering silence. Do you have any suggestions? Also keep in mind India is not a Hindu country, it is a secular country, probably much to your chagrin.

    Final question – would you mind if Pakistan and Arab countries start meddling in our affairs telling us as to how to take care of minorities?

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  • Anonymous

    Received this email from a friend.

     
     
     
     
    S.M.Krishna was trying to tell the Italian Minister who came to rescue the sailors, why it is better to have the trial in India . He was trying to impress the minister by elaborating the general hospitality and love that Sonia have got towards criminals. He started with the story of Union Carbide, arms dealer Quottorchi, and how we treat the hero Kasab, etc. 
     
    Then a man in Dhoti was passing through the corridor. Krishna said we are protecting him also. The Italian Minister looked at the guy and asked who he was. Krishna replied:That is Chidambaram our Finance Minister. The Italian repeated: Cheat Ambaram? I have heard his name. Wasn’t he your Finance Minister? Of course you should protect him. Krishna smiled and said: you have no idea my friend. 
     
    Then he told him the story of the Spectrum scandal and about Raja, Kanimozhi, and showed him the list of black money account holders from the Swiss bank and explained to him how well protected are all  these people in India . 
     
    The Italian Minister could not resist expressing the appreciation. When he came out of the room, he heard about the verdict of the Kerala Judge to release the ship on a bail of 25 lakhs. Lakhs? What is this? How much is this in Euro? Approx. 38,000. He ran back to Krishna’s room and begged him to have the trial in India . Then he asked for more details about Raja and spectrum. 
     
    Highly impressed, he asked whether he can get an Indian Citizenship. Krishna suggested he should get married to a Nehru family member. The minister was confused as the only available one is Rahul. Krishna winked at him and said, my friend, Congress can find a way if you are really interested in the alliance. Then he said to the Italian, now I am going to the press and pretend that I am tough on you. But just ignore it.
     
    The Italian Minister made a few phone calls, the first one to Rome and said he is not coming back. Then he made another call to Sicily and talked to the Mafia Chief: You fool, your operating methods are so primitive. Come to India and learn how they do it with the most modern techniques.

    Good night gentlemen.

     
     
     
     
    S.M.Krishna was trying to tell the Italian Minister who came to rescue the sailors, why it is better to have the trial in India . He was trying to impress the minister by elaborating the general hospitality and love that Sonia have got towards criminals. He started with the story of Union Carbide, arms dealer Quottorchi, and how we treat the hero Kasab, etc. 
     
    Then a man in Dhoti was passing through the corridor. Krishna said we are protecting him also. The Italian Minister looked at the guy and asked who he was. Krishna replied:That is Chidambaram our Finance Minister. The Italian repeated: Cheat Ambaram? I have heard his name. Wasn’t he your Finance Minister? Of course you should protect him. Krishna smiled and said: you have no idea my friend. 
     
    Then he told him the story of the Spectrum scandal and about Raja, Kanimozhi, and showed him the list of black money account holders from the Swiss bank and explained to him how well protected are all  these people in India . 
     
    The Italian Minister could not resist expressing the appreciation. When he came out of the room, he heard about the verdict of the Kerala Judge to release the ship on a bail of 25 lakhs. Lakhs? What is this? How much is this in Euro? Approx. 38,000. He ran back to Krishna’s room and begged him to have the trial in India . Then he asked for more details about Raja and spectrum. 
     
    Highly impressed, he asked whether he can get an Indian Citizenship. Krishna suggested he should get married to a Nehru family member. The minister was confused as the only available one is Rahul. Krishna winked at him and said, my friend, Congress can find a way if you are really interested in the alliance. Then he said to the Italian, now I am going to the press and pretend that I am tough on you. But just ignore it.
     
    The Italian Minister made a few phone calls, the first one to Rome and said he is not coming back. Then he made another call to Sicily and talked to the Mafia Chief: You fool, your operating methods are so primitive. Come to India and learn how they do it with the most modern techniques.
      
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Good one–

    However, i do not think Chidambaram is a cheat. If he is, then my faith in humankind will have to be reexamined!

    The man comes from an illustrious Chettinad family, born with old money. Was sent to Harvard and England etc for his higher studies after his high school. His wife Nalini is a leading lawyer (well, that does not mean he cannot be a crook)

    I believe he wants to do a good job for India — I hope he does not let me down (Sibal did let me down; I had high hopes for him!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chidambaram is a corrupt man. He took 33% of 1.76 lakh crores. He wears diamond studded underwear under that simple looking dhoti. Every thread of that dhoti is made of platinum with new suppleness of donkey backbone, specially designed and fabricated at a boutique in Bangalore.
    Are you kind to him because he is a madraasi like you?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Typical Pathak reply. By the way Gopiji is a Keralite. Do
    You also think that anyone from south is Madrasi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ask any Delhite or guys up North. Can I be any different?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The worse is people from the North still ask, do you speak “madrasi”?????

    Anonymous Reply:

    But they still prefer Madrasi tenant.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    That really is the worst or is it the best?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The worse is when I talk to a Kannada friend in English in Bangalore, the Punjabi friend will say “you guys are snobbish, why dont you speak to him in Madrasi”,

    Talking about “madrasi ” language, etc, I happened to be in Bangalore a few years ago when the famous Kananda movie actor Raj kumar died. I made some observations on that incident; will share in one of these blogs

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    These are also the reasons I love my country.

    manohar_T Reply:

    I suppose you are aware of the fact that at one time there was Madras Presidency covering the whole of South India, hence the term ‘Madraasi’ in common parlance to refer the people from the four southern states. Old habits die hard.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak’s reply got to be like a Pathak-reply, not like a Vijay-reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This is also a typical Pathak reply, could not resist mentioning
    Vijay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I hope what you say is correct about Mr. Chidambaram but his role in his son’s evolvement in Aircel smells fishy.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    What was his role ?

  • Anonymous

    Early to bed and early to rise
    Proves that man has no interest in his wife.

    Good morning gentlemen.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unless wife sleeps in another room.I thought wives always wanted their husbands to rise early.

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    That was naughty

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wives love their husbands’ rise?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes. From clerk to Babu to Manager.
    A new necklace on every rise. A glass of milk for the husband in return.

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    New Disqus format.

    There are many advantages in this new format. One, one does not have to refresh the full page to see new posts – notifications appear in the appropriate places. There is still a problem of page not refreshing after a reply has been posted, when we click [Post as X]. hence people tend to click more than once, resulting in duplicate/triplicate posts. Till such time they sort this out, members can refresh the page after clicking [Post as X] once – no duplicate posts.

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    A must read.

    National Interest: Crude politics
    Shekhar Gupta

    UPA’s dismal political management turns a belated (and much needed) petrol price hike into an ‘event’

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-crude-politics/954171/0

    More than two months after the prime minister said we needed to bite the
    bullet, and a couple of weeks after the finance minister talked of hard
    decisions, we finally have one: the petrol price increase. Even more
    encouraging, there is no talk of a rollback yet. Petroleum Minister
    Jaipal Reddy even showed some old-style political skill in asking people
    to wait a few days before a price reduction might be considered. Crude
    has been slowly moderating lately and the oil marketing companies are
    supposedly free to reset the petrol price on a fortnightly basis anyway.

    ==
    How would a more political government have handled this? It is lazy now
    to say that Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s NDA had an easy time because they had
    crude running at $12 a barrel. The fact is, Vajpayee carried out 33
    (yes, 33) fuel price increases over his six years. Of course, the
    average increase was so tiny nobody seemed to notice too much — while
    there were token protests by the Congress and the Left. Yet, in the
    process, the price of kerosene, the most politically sensitive fuel, was
    taken from Rs 2.52 to Rs 9.01 per litre, an increase of more than 350
    per cent. The second most sensitive, diesel, was more than doubled from
    Rs 10.25 a litre to Rs 21.74 and the equally troublesome, LPG, was
    nearly doubled, from Rs 136 to Rs 241.60. Petrol went up only by 50 per
    cent, from Rs 22.84 to Rs 33.71 and, in the process, the distortionary
    gap that is rapidly — and destructively — dieselising our economy and
    environment, was narrowed to manageable levels.

    In comparison, in the eight years of the UPA, crude has risen nearly 170
    per cent, the rupee has fallen more than 20 per cent, yet prices of
    kerosene and LPG have been increased by 65 per cent only and diesel and
    petrol by 88 per cent and 114 per cent respectively. In the process, the
    fisc has been vacuum-cleaned, and yet, for its spasmodic but
    headline-making price increases, the UPA has got much more bad press.
    Diesel, meanwhile, is back to being the evil polluting king of all
    fuels.

    ==

    So if you are a chappal, apparel, automobile, candy manufacturer, in any
    business whatsoever, you can invest in an airline in India. But not if
    you are a foreign airline. Now, would you call that incredibly stupid?
    No, it is incredibly smart of an Indian capitalist who found the right
    cronies and had the law customised for him so that all competition is
    kept out. This incredibly unique restriction is not merely the most
    striking example of Indian crony capitalism, it makes us look like a
    banana republic. Changing this should have been a minor, routine editing
    correction. Yet, we have dithered over this for so long that it has
    been allowed to grow in the popular mind as some kind of a bailout for
    an Indian capitalist as “effete, decadent, wasteful and incompetent” as
    Vijay Mallya. So when this FDI policy is indeed rationalised, it will be
    another event.

    ==

    Because the UPA takes so long with its deliberations — in fact, it
    usually prefers deferring a decision a lot more than taking one — it has
    forgotten the virtue of political management by boring routine. In
    state after state now, electricity utilities have gone bankrupt (their
    combined losses now top Rs 2 lakh crore and the banks are bracing for
    another shock) while the regulators have either sucked up to their
    governments and not allowed tariff increases or because the chief
    ministers have also caught the UPA virus. It has taken two really
    powerful chief ministers, J. Jayalalithaa and Mamata Banerjee, to make
    abrupt, sizeable tariff increases of 37 and 25 per cent recently. Most
    of the others — except Rajasthan — are letting the monster grow.

    ==

    After reading, will protesters here still demand that subsidies on petroleum products and other utilities be persisted with forever?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Though I believe that over the period of time all the subsidies should be
    stopped and people should pay the market price for everything but I am
    not sure what will be the effect of removing all subsidies at one go.
    There must be definitely a reason why countries all over the world provide subsidies to different sectors.
    US and Europe subsidize their agriculture products, China subsidize solar
    panels, Switzerland also spends huge money in subsidizing solar and
    Biofuel energy. Almost every country spends huge money on subsidies.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    IMO, the UPA has just released a balloon (a big petrol price hike) to test the atmosphere. If the balloon does not burst, more policy announcements, hike in diesel & LPG prices, etc. will follow.

    Agriculture,power generation, bio fuels subsidies are one thing as it benefits everyone, but subsidizing luxuries like petrol – just not done, in fact it is perverse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very well put.

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  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Mumbai opportunity

    Beyond sulks and rivalries, the national executive has offered BJP a chance to change the subject

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mumbai-opportunity/954024/0

    It could be said that the national executive meet of the BJP in Mumbai
    was overpowered by the spectacular see-sawing of personal equations
    between its prominent leaders. There it was, all on show: Narendra Modi
    versus Sanjay Joshi. Modi vs Nitin Gadkari, B.S. Yeddyurappa vs L.K.
    Advani. Even, Advani vs Gadkari. Or, Sushma Swaraj vs Modi. Day 1 was
    only about Joshi’s resignation from the party’s national executive, an
    olive branch from Gadkari to Modi. It was also about Modi deigning to
    make an appearance, but only after Joshi’s resignation was announced in
    public. On Day 2, the absence of Advani from a party rally, although
    known in advance, as well as of Swaraj, became a headline. Though
    separate explanations have been offered, the missing leaders were surely
    not unaware that the photo-op would be read primarily for their
    absence. So, at a time when the BJP should have been using the two-day
    get-together to aggressively package itself as an alternative to a
    self-destructing UPA, the news from the national executive seemed only
    to showcase its internal churn. But there is another way of looking at
    the BJP’s outing in Mumbai.

    ==

    Read on

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    UPA ‘unbearable’ but are we ready for power, asks Advani

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Mumbai/UPA-unbearable-but-are-we-ready-for-power-asks-Advani/Article1-861207.aspx

    BJP patriarch LK Advani on Friday raised doubts over his party’s
    readiness to take over power even though “the nation is finding the UPA
    government unbearable and looking towards the BJP”.
    Advani told the BJP national executive on the last day of the two-day
    conclave: “The party should be cautious when people ask whether it is ready to take over”.

    ==

    The party hastened to explain — especially after Yeddyurappa’s move —
    that while Modi was an efficient CM and a tall leader, the decision on
    his candidature would be taken later.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I admire Advani on making that comment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He said that because BJP is trying to project Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He being a man for the cause, should show an example that it is time to read “ramayana”

  • http://indiatopics.wordpress.com/ manohar_T

    Bringing back what’s ours
    Arun Kumar
    The writer is Chairperson of the Centre for Economic Studies and
    Planning, School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New
    Delhi.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2992133.ece

    It is unclear whether the CBI or any other government agency has
    recently estimated the amount of funds held abroad by Indians. It is a
    difficult task for anyone to carry out since data are hard to come by.
    New theoretical advances are required to estimate this sum. The
    difficulty is there are 77 tax havens in the world, according to the Tax
    Justice Network. Switzerland is the best known and possibly the biggest
    but it is only one among many. We do not have an estimate of how much
    is held in Switzerland or in any of the other tax havens.

    Stories supposedly quoting the Swiss Bankers’ Association Report 2006
    suggest that $1.4 trillion of Indian money is in Swiss banks and that
    Indians hold more funds in these banks than people of all other
    nationalities combined. The official Swiss agencies have denied this.
    Further, this writer could not find any such data in any of the Swiss
    Bankers’ Reports from 2005 to 2008. Finally, given that the nationals of
    other countries have also been stashing funds abroad for a long time,
    it is unlikely that Indians would have more black funds in Swiss banks
    than all others.

    ==

    While the government does not officially know how black incomes are
    generated and spirited out of the country, in their personal capacity,
    government functionaries — politicians, bureaucrats and police — know
    what is going on. Hawala operators and their place of operations
    are known to many who use their services. Does the CBI not have this
    information? If it does not, it is not doing its job. If it does, why
    has it not acted to stop hawala in the country? A real conundrum.

    ==

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    Anonymous Reply:

    With all the other issues, I consider bringing back the Swiss money alower priority. Fix the holes and prevent any future migration of money

    [Reply]

    manohar_T Reply:

    Agree.

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  • Anonymous

    ” Kaun Aaya… Kaun Aaya … Gujarat Ka Sher Aaaya.”
    ” Is Sarkar ke paas na niti hai, na Neta hai , na Niyat hai.”
    Much to the dismay of many .. Narendra Bhai Modi now appears to be arriving centre- stage. One to be watched. One destined to take on the responsibilty of not leading just Gujarat but Bharat. ….Who has reason fear and why ? Because he has the guts and the gall to pluck out and uproot all those , regardless of the mask they wear ..who have made “Secularism” a ruse to loot and plunder .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    there is little doubt that Modi’s attending the national executive meeting in Mumbai has dismayed a large number of congressies, including our own Sir Prabhat Pathakji.

    I have come to the late realisation that Gopi and Shoeb have the country’s good at heart, when they were and are still demanding that Modibe made the PM.

    As we peruse the Times Of India, we find that the government’s own economic advisor has again categorically said that this government is in deep paralysis, policies and programmes have all been given the go by.

    The present dispensation has lost all its rights to rule the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More than us, it was Advani, Sushma & co who were dismayed.
    Your late realisation about Gopi and Shoeb is very touching, very inclusive.

    Your first affirmative action.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab , Gopi
    Seeing the writing on the wall , and hopelessly helpless in defending the Congress , the next line of defence for the spin doctors , is to hype imaginary disputes and diffrences at the top in the BJP…. ’see they are no better ”
    Will they succeed ? ….Ofcourse , time will finally tell .
    But I was forced to think when a remark was made by a Political commentator on a Hindi News channel .. “sensing the current mood of the Nation .. the RSS may be thinking of trying a new experiment …Narendra Bhai Modi. ”
    Personally ..seeing the compulsions of being a memeber of a larger political formation i.e the NDA where some parties are also dependent to great extent on Muslim votes .. I thought a more feasible alternative would be to project Advaniji as the PM and then Narendra Modi could come to the centre with an important Ministry say Home and show that he is no Demon ,… then after some time Advani could give way to Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Modi can start as a Home Minister.
    Recently Raja Bhaiya became the Minister in charge of the Jails.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes there was a Bhaiyya Raja and his Behna who went to Tihar , in their fight for secularism. As for Raja Bhaiyya … he is also there for the sake of secularism … to defeat the communal phorces.
    Do you have any more such examples ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please go ahead.A focus on the crime syndication would be nice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    To my mind one of the biggest strengths of ‘ secularists” in electoral poliitics are the crime syndicates which they protect. Sometimes they also take on the color of caste and sometimes religion. The dividing line withered away , with the passage of time and now these crime syndicates are active politicians themselves.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen

    You have a point on the voting realities. However, Advani, with his advanced age, should exit gracefully…but then the issue becomes who will be the “temp” PM..

    It will indeed be great for India if Modi could be made PM after some “temp” arrangement..Modi is in his early sixties, he will have a good two/three terms bringing the prosperity and stability to the millions.

    manohar_T Reply:

    BJP + three allies + Jaya Prada = 273+ seats!

    Isn’t that a bit pessimistic? ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    when Nehru thought India couldn’t survive without him as PM, he ruled India from a wheel chair, which he converted into a PM’s chair!

    He didn’t loosen his grip on the PM’s chair even when he had a stroke. Lal Bahadur Shastri was appointed as a runner for an injured batsman!!

    Therefore, as long as Advani is able to stand on his own feet and has his thinking cap on, he is a safe bet for the PM’s chair.

    manohar_T Reply:

    “Narendra Modi could come to the centre with an important Ministry say Home and show that he is no Demon”

    Demon? One horror show in 2002 was more than enough under his watchful eyes and the people have not forgotten, in spite of furious whitewashing efforts since then.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And USA did not give him a Visa..

    manohar_T Reply:

    Yes. it all counts. In spite of this,you wish to dream. Dream On. There is upcoming battle over the SIT report coming up and the opponents are not going to allow him rest very soon. We have to wait for the result of that one way or the other from the Supreme Court (that will take time, given the speed of our our judicial process). Till such time, one should hold one’s horses.

    Anonymous Reply:

    usa bombed Hiroshima to end the war.

    Gujrat is the most peaceful state since 2002.
    50,000 – or more – people die in bad road accidents, poverty etc every day.

    2000 people dying so peace is ensued is something to cheer for.

    manohar_T Reply:

    This is absolutely ‘new and wonderful’.
    Using deaths/killings (100% avoidable) to justify ‘peace’ that followed. As Mahesh would have said – pathetic indeed.

    Earlier, it was 1984 to justify 2002.

    Now riot figures are being compared to deaths in road accidents and poverty to boost Modi’s image. Why not add natural deaths? Modi would look even taller and more impressive.

    Have you been drinking the same stuff as what Vijay does? ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, agree it is a different comparison. But these deaths are “not” avoidable as you say. Bad roads in Kerala cause 30-50 deaths a day.

    Modi was as responsible for the deaths attributed to hm as the PWD minister of a state for the road accidents.

    Now, whatever it is; I do not have an issue with Modi even if he ordered shootings to bring the situation in control.

    A state that has been constantly traumatized by communal riots have been calm and peaceful since 2002. That is the fact. Everything else is figment of imagination.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I may not agree 100% with your comparision of 2002 riots with road accidents or Hiroshima, however, I do appreciate where you are coming from.
    The fact is – Manohar would continue with his hatred of Mr. Modi – no matter what. The SC appointed SIT didn’t find a thing against him, he is still not satisfied. Let him crib!!

    manohar_T Reply:

    If you are entitled to admire Modi to the hilt, I have a similar entitlement not to be a fan(atic). Period. Do you have problem with that?

    I do not hate him or anyone else. I may or may not approve someone’s track record or policies or behaviour or actions.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Duplicate message. Edited out.

    manohar_T Reply:

    If you not agree 100%, then pray tell us what is the percentage you agree with him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    usa bombed Hiroshima to end the war.

    Gujrat is the most peaceful state since 2002.
    50,000 – or more – people die in bad road accidents, poverty etc every day.

    2000 people dying so peace is ensued is something to cheer for.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Duplicate message, Edited out.

    manohar_T Reply:

    The history of Gujarat and Modi does not start from post 2002 riots. Period.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry to say , this is the sickest comment I have ever come across. You badly need to see a doctor. I hope you don’t try to make an argument out of this.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Agree. Recall, he has no qualms of army taking over and just shooting the politicians. He has no qualms if 2000 people get killed in a riot. He can afford to say this sitting in a ‘fortified’ house. He has put ‘zero’ value to life in order to support and bolster the image of his ‘hero’.

    I have been on the blog for just over year and never ever seen more sickening post than this.

    Let us wait and see how many blogmates here condemn him for this sick argument or would we hear only thundering silence?

    AshishC Reply:

    @Gopi_Thomas:disqus
    Disappointing. I hope it was a careless comment and not something you would mean seriously.
    People dying for a larger good- I have seen this being justified only in a war. And, I would not agree that entire communities should be or indeed are, at war across religious faultlines.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    As usual I think it is your frustration with the overall situation
    of our country has tempted you to say this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    I have heard, hold your breath! Dipankar Gupta, one of the JNU types, voicing this same idea.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    But for the time being we have been advised to hold our horses. In the meanwhile s omething more urgent has come up. The acts of corruption of Dr Manmohan Singh and his Cabinet.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen

    I hope Modi will go forward aggressively!

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  • Anonymous

    It is strange that history repeats….

    800 years ago European men for the fourth crusade ransacked the imperial Constantinople, the capital of the Greek speaking Byzantine empire, because of the enormous debts that had been racked up in the west.

    Having pushed easy money on their flesh once more, the barbarians are again at the gate! Again at the gates of the Greek capital city, Athens.

    And a future Homer will write an epic

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  • Anonymous

    where is Vijay Kumar?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    NIT.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We have to check with his numerous girl friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Why Congress has decided to go for Jagan’s jugular.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Why-Congress-has-decided-to-go-for-Jagans-jugular/articleshow/13459261.cms

    If Jagan is arrested — and his empire dismantled — this will go as a signal to
    all Congressmen planning to leave the party. With Jagan in jail, the prospects
    of the YSR Congress consolidating its position in the coming months will be
    limited.

    This will give breathing space to the collapsing Congress in Andhra
    Pradesh to work out a new matrix before the next general elections. Andhra
    Pradesh sent 33 Congress MPs to the Lok Sabha in 2009 and the party’s tally in
    2014 will be crucial.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Jagan should be put in jail, his illegal assets confiscated, whatever the Govt motives may be.

    These jokes happen only in a democracy like India (where Manohar maintains how beuatiful is the supreme parliament!)

    To give you some background on YSR — his father killed a worker in broad daylight just to prove he is in control.

    YSR was a control freak like his father (he may have arranged to kill many!) …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes Jagan should be caught and put behind bars, but here the article
    is trying to say that congress has sent CBI after Jagan to ensure that
    other memebers do not dare to leave the party. They are not bothered whether anyone is cheat and looter. They are clearly using
    threat of CBI from members deserting their party.

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  • Anonymous

    nn

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar posts a Must Read article from his favourite – Shekhar Gupta.

    National Interest: Crude politics PathakG says: Very well put.

    The bottom line of the lecture (I call it spin): After reading, will protesters here still demand that subsidies on petroleum products and other utilities be persisted with forever?

    We won’t demand the subsidies if we understand the following:
    a) Is petrol a necessity or luxury?
    b) How much is the subsidy on petrol on an annual basis?
    c) Why should we pay the price as per global average (after having removed the so called subsidy) when our incomes are not at par with the global average, if it is a necessity?
    d) Does the government earn more by the way of taxes when global crude price rise – is it fair?
    e) Is the tax collected by the govt on petrol more or less than the so-called subsidy? If it is more, where is the subsidy?
    f) Which is costlier in India – Aviation Turbibe Fuel or Petrol?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This under-recovery business is a scam and has been challenged in Kerala High Court:
    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-10-06/kochi/30250196_1_oil-companies-import-parity-price-petroleum-companies
    I would appreciate the response of the supporters of the oil price hike on this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Thanks for the link. Very interesting article.

    Excerpt from this article.

    Moreover, India doesn’t import petroleum products but only crude oil, which is refined in refineries domestically at a much lower rate than the global rate. However, the oil companies are charging Import Parity Price for petroleum products, not of crude oil, which is unethical and is an irrational pricing method, PC Thomas contends.
    —-

    Now the question is where does this difference of domestically incurred refining chages against internationally incurred refining charges go?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    A big loot is going on and they have the gall to say that if we are opposing a back-breaking and unprecedented hike in petrol prices, we must be some low-lives used to living off govt. subsidy and khairat. The fact is -there isn’t any subsidy. Have you noticed the (thundering) silence of Manohar and PathakG on this?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Ishwar,

    I log into the site after 5-6 hours, then I get to see commnt from you that I m silent on certain issues.

    You must not drive conclusion quickly if somebody doesn’t replyto any of your poser. People just could be busy elsewhere.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PathakG,
    I already have your permission to use your name alongwith Manohar to have some fun here. You can always come back and rip me apart later. I am waiting for that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do try o understand the rules that regulate the SEZ for refineries and KG basin in gnerl , import parity pricing in relation o the private investment nd the risk in this sector……you will getter a better perspective.

    You are taking my attention away from such a lovely party…..I will catch up later.

    Ishwar, the satisfaction would be there if you try to rip me apart with hard logic. Never hesitate on that. Don’t worry about winning or losing. Enjoy the process than the result.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Enjoy your lovely party and drink few pegs on my behalf.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Only if you subsidize the price. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s good one.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Mohan

    Who says Import Parity Price is unethical and irrational?

    http://www.wfp.org/content/market-analysis-tool-import-parity-price

    Read here to learn about Import Parity Price.

    http://documents.wfp.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/manual_guide_proced/wfp187902.pdf

    ==

    If you think it is unethical and irrational, then read on, even Modi’s government is unethical and irrational. What say?

    http://www.infraline.com/Details/gujarat-energy-minister-pitches-for-marketing-freedom-as-per-psc-asks-for-benchmarking-nelp-gas-prices-on-par-with-rlng-101237.htm

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you are trapped. When I invoke SoniaG in any discussion, you argue that let’s not get into politics. Why are you trying to bring Modi here? He doesn’t decide the petrol prices. BTW, did you mean if Modi’s govt. is doing it, it must be right?
    You can tell us why it is not irrational in a few crisp points- I am too busy reading (and of course enjoying!!) the report compiled by Team Anna against the UPA ministers including the PM. I have barely managed to read 41 pages (of 79) so far and I am amazed at the blatant loot. We’ll discuss them later.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Me trapped. Never. I brought in Modi – because you go on and on, that petroleum pricing is a scam, unethical and irrational, blah, blah, blah, without even bothering to understand the subject matter, background and the details and more important according to you ‘ Bhagwan’Modi can never do anything wrong. To shake you, I have to invoke the name of Modi and it never fails.

    Import Parity Pricing is an accepted practice, whether Modi’s govt does it or not. Period.

    I am not your teacher. If you are too busy, it is your problem, not mine. I have provided you the links and if you choose not to enlighten yourself by making that extra effort – good luck and there is nothing I can do about it. ‘aap koi dhood pite bachche to ho nahin’. After reading, if you have a question or two, you surely will get an answer, but first make that damn extra effort.

    You are entitled to revel for any reason, it is your right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    The link to the article which Ishwar has posted says that
    Oil companies are charging Import Parity Price for petroleum
    products where as crude oil is refined in India of which the
    charges are much cheaper than international market.
    Mr. P C Thomas has raised this point and has filed the
    case in a court in Kerala.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What are the rules regulating refining agencies in the SEZ?

    What is the price that Reliance can buy from its own refinery/ KG basin?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I have no idea, I am just raising the same point which
    Mr. P C Thomas has raised in his case.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The refinery financing is based on the arbitrage. So the refineries, particularly the private ones have certain obligations in terms of exports. They are all in SEZ as they deal with the export market.

    Reliance itself buys gs gas by paying almost 3 times from its own company for self consumption.

    It,s no simplistic.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Please go to the links I provided. We shall see if P C Thomas is right or wrong. IPP is an international accepted practice and is applied to a whole range of products across the world as per requirements of individual countries.

    manohar_T Reply:

    Ishwar and Mohan

    To all the points raised by you, here is what I have to say.

    The sooner we stop being parasites on resources for living a luxurious life the better. Getting petrol or other luxuries cheap is not a fundamental right.

    ‘Iss desh mein bahot garib log bhi hain – unkaa hakk chheen ke jeenaa chahte ho kyaa’?

    If so, then there is nothing to discuss further. Good luck.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If the prices have been increased for the benefit of ‘garib log’ as you claim, then I can’t complain, can I?

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    manohar_T Reply:

    The subsidies saved go into infrastructure/health/education projects (benefits all) and other programmes for the poor.

    Have you ever wondered who benefits from subsidies on petroleum products? Saudi Arabia, Iran and other oil producing countries and that too in foreign currencies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I won’t like Saudi Arabia, Iran and other OPEC countries to benefit. I don’t like being subsidised either.
    That brings us back to the basic question. Where is the subsidy? You import crude, refine it locally, tax it – at central and state level – sell it to me with a profit to retailers. Where is the subsidy?
    By all means, let the oil company’s make reasonable profit for their investment, expertise, risk etc. My question is why do you want to fool us by using the Import Parity Price for the OMCs? Which other industry in the country gets this – none.

    manohar_T Reply:

    The retail price charged by the oil companies is lower than the cost and the Government from the tax collections has to make good the difference, because these are PSUs and they have to be healthy to run and expand when the demand rises (who will pay for the new refineries?). It is like any other business. If there were private companies and no subsidies (Reliance is not entitled to dole outs), they would have refused to play ball and shut down. Saudi Arabia and other countries are not in the business of charity that they would sell crude to us at discounted prices just because we subsidized the end price. The costs in India have to be incurred, no matter what. If the government was not subsidizing, the oil companies would have been gone bankrupt long ago and no one else would be there to take their place either – there would no fuel to drive your cars, trucks and airlines, diesel run power units or there would severe rationing of locally produced crude resulting in thriving black market.

    In short, IPP is one of the mechanism where there is an incentive to import the product and it applies to whole range of products around the world on country to country basis. Similarly, there is also a mechanism called Export Parity Price to encourage exports.If there was no IPP, then perhaps the companies may not be interested in importing crude or a product.

    Except for Goa, no Chief Minister (and that includes Modi) is willing to cut state taxes on fuel. Some of them (Modi too) only ’shout’ and shed ‘crocodile tears’ for well to do people when the companies increases the prices. Now they may do little tinkering here and there with states taxes, nothing substantial to show their ‘concern’. A major part of the taxes collected by the centre end up with the states, as per formula devised the Finance Commissions.

    Ah! You do not wish the money to go to the Islamic countries, but then there no Hindu countries around the world, there was one, but it was never an oil producing and exporting country. There are non-Islamic countries who produce and export crude, but they are far away from us and the import price would be even higher and even higher subsidies. In that case, in your opinion, which countries should benefit from our subsidies?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You say: “If the government was not subsidizing, the oil companies would have been gone bankrupt long ago and no one else would be there to take their place either …”

    Please explain the chart below. If govt. collects more money as excise than they give back to OMCs as subsidy (mind you, it includes the under recovery in selling LPG and kerosene), where is the subsidy on petrol? If you have to give subsidy later, don’t tax at the first place.

    Excise and subsidy comparison for 2010-11 (Rs crores)
    ———- IOCL BPCL HPCL TOTAL
    Excise 30861 12394 9743 52998
    Subsidy 24282 10048 9727 44056

    manohar_T Reply:

    In one line, our Government needs the money, remember we are 1.2 billion in number (not a small number) and more than half of them are poor – we need to a lot more to give everyone a life of dignity. Education, health, infrastructure, housing. BTW, how many cars do you own?

    If duties and taxes are reduced consumption will go up and more money will go out of the country. It is simple Economics and Commerce. Let me give you shocker, I would not mind if the price of petrol is raised even further.

    Kerosene is primarily meant for the poor – we should have no problem. LPG & diesel price increase is on the cards. Otherwise you are robbing petrol to pay LPG and diesel. Please take an overall view.

    If under recoveries are not recovered now, they will be passed onto our children and grand-children. Why should they pay for your extravagances?

    I wish you would understand – there is no such thing as free or cheap lunch. If you do not pay, your grand daughter will have to foot the bill with interest.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s just not the import. But storage cost which is very high too.
    Sorry for not able to contribute to the discussion at this moment.
    But help Ishwar etc all understand the issue not in terms of Cong vs bjp, but on pure business, eco and policies.

    The oil companies have listened to the voice of people many times before, but they are dying now. They need to do this.

    Anyway the overall income increase of the vehicle owners have Ben pretty high in recent times. They surely can afford.

    manohar_T Reply:

    When all fails, then sometimes invoking Modi works wonders – he is ‘incapable’ of doing anything wrong according to his supporters, so I take advantage of this fact to drive home the point. You did notice the utterly sickening post by Gopi Thomas in support of Modi. No condemnation other than from you and me. ‘Saathidaar ho to aise’ or is it that they approve of what he says?

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    Coming back to fuel pricing and subsidies, there are many many aspects by the time the product reaches into the gas tanks of the owners from the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and other countries. A study of Oil Company’s balance sheet should give us the real and detailed picture.

    Storage you have already mentioned – transportation is another (via pipelines, rail, road), expansion of infrastructure for future requirements. Human resource cost is another – if the employees are not well compensated, then they will just go overseas and our oil companies will struggle to be efficient.

    If a vehicle owner can afford to pay in lacs for a car, I do not understand as to why they crib about the price of petrol. If they find it high, use then vehicle when absolutely necessary.

    Our import bill is about US$ 120 billion a year that is 5 lac crores per year and these guys are cribbing about Rs 8 per litre increase. If we use less fuel, even 10% savings would amount to Rs 50000 crores, which is not a small sum by any means.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PathakG,
    Before you enlighten us tomorrow or at some other time of your chosing on why the OMCs need to be allowed to raise petrol prices, please read the link below:
    http://www.indiatogether.org/2011/dec/eco-fuel.htm
    Please demolish the points raised by the author here as well.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You talked of OMC’s.
    That means you are aware of the different entities in the oil sector I.e. Oil producers, Oil refineries and OMC’s ( Oil marketing companies).

    The dynamics of private oil companies like Reliance, Essar etc are different. So for the time being, let’s avoid them.

    The rationale behind having independent entities in these segments is that each sector has a typical challenges and risks. These entities take necessary steps to mitigate the risks in the respective business domain. The oil explorer has different business environment and risk from that of the refiners. So they run as independent units / companies.

    Even then the oil producers sells at “discount” to PSU refiners ( as per the author).

    The author also admits that the oil companies practically survive on subsidies. The author says had the Govt released the subsidy on time, probably the oil companies would have shown a marginal profit.

    The author presumes all of them to be a single entity convenietly ( more for political convenience).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Contd.

    The author ” stupidly assumes” that the 24% crude that is produced n India should be priced cheaper. Imagine OMC’s having separate distribution network for the ” desi oil” and try to sell at rs26/= and “imported oil” , say at rs62/= at the same petrol pump or at different outlet.

    Your favourite author has tabulated the excise duty almost equalling to the ubdidy given and still trying make a case for petrol, a rich man’s fuel.

    If the industry can not have internal accruals for further expansion and depends on constant subsidies, then we have our priorities wrong.

    If I were to talk to the author himself, then may be a sentence would have been enough.

    (Next time please do not refer me to a published link. You must read, summarise and present your argument for the debate.)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Though I do not agree with you most of the times but I have always admired your style of putting your points across. You
    do have good convincing power. You say that 24% cheap crude
    produced in India could not be sold at different price because of
    logistic problems. Why can’t the whole imported and home
    produced oil be averaged and sold at cheaper rate than the current
    international based price?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are about to lose lots of internationl business because the average growth of salary in India is way above the global average. Check did you get 3% increment last year? If more, then you are hugely lucky, way way above the global average.

    Hope you are aware the oil is deregularised.

    You Ned o look at our questions all over….

    I need o attend o large number guests….and I am f….. drunk too…shall catch p later…..

    And petrol is a rich man’s fuel.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If petrol is a rich man’s fuel, I don’t want to fight for their cause.
    However, when you say that, do you mean anyone earning more than Rs. 32 per day doesn’t qualify as poor?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Petrol for now.
    Poverty level later. We will have time for that.
    You know who is poor.
    Ask Mohan who is rich. He had explained it before.

  • Anonymous

    Maanmohan Singh and his Cabinet colleagues accused of Corruption.
    Whereas all news websites have prominently covered the Press Conference and the allegations of corruption against PM of India and 14 Cabinet Colleagues and the documentary evidence … the Times of India Group hides its head in the sand. As if the country shall not come to know of it. if it does publish.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well done Team Anna.
    They have made the charges in some detail which needs further investigation. I would go through them and then respond. IBN Live has it as their headline story and it includes the report compiled by Team Anna – it has got 79 pages. Must be an interesting read.
    To Manohar, Team Anna and Narendra Modi have lost relevance. Much to his chagrin, they are here to stay and here for long term.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Sure they are here to stay without any relevance of course.

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  • Anonymous

    Another Indian American writer – Tania James, — A good review of her new book “Aerogramme” about her travels/life in a Kerala village and USA.
    NY Tmes Review of Books..

    (soon there will be more Indian American writers in English than Americans)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/books/review/aerogrammes-stories-by-tania-james.html?smid=pl-share

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  • Anonymous

    On wife’s birthday this gentleman ordered a cake on phone.
    Salesman : ‘ what message to put on the cake ‘
    Man :’ Getting older, but U R getting better ‘
    Salesman : ‘ How do you want me to put it? ‘
    Man : ” put ‘ U R getting older’ at the top and ‘ U R getting better at the bottom’
    When the cake was unveiled at the party all guests were shocked at the
    message on the cake.
    It read ‘ You are getting older at the top, but you are getting better at the bottom’

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  • AshishC

    Advani for President..
    In a move that surprised many, invited all knowing “I told you so” looks from Political Pundits Vinod Mehta and Shekhar Gupta alike and sparked off furious debates about what, who and how much.. Mr Lal Krishna Advani announced that he will be leading a yatra of RedLine Buses to Raisina Hill.
    In a press conference called in the cool confines of the RedLine Bus doubling as his campaign office, Mr Advani talked of his anguish at the plight of the marginalised and dispossessed, who he said were crying for leadership.
    Explaining further, he said that he and his party were dispossessed of power for a long time; and to run salt into personal injury, he lost the presidentship of his party too- making him the natural leader of the dispossessed. Mr Advani also said, those of his venerable age, instead of being venerated are being marginalised.
    Mr Advani refused to answer whether this will launch his candidature for President of India. But, he did say that he will never say no to national duty.
    As an immediate fallout, supporters of Messrs Modi, Jaitley, Jaswant Singh, Sushma Swaraj, Gadkari were seen hugging each other and distributing sweets.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely original – incredible!!

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    AshishC Reply:

    thanks

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    manohar_T Reply:

    Your forgot to tell us in which year this would be played out – certainly not in 2012.

    Applause.

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    AshishC Reply:

    As you would know by now, I am extremely optimistic by nature.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    very entertaining indeed. Advani sahab should aspire to be a good grandfather rather than the Prime Minister now. However we must remember he was really good as HM and better than most, including the present incumbent. perhaps he takes inspiration from the fact that MMS at 79 is still PM while Morarji became the minister at 81,

    In my view he would be a far better PM than Rahul Gandhi who can create mayhem in India becasue of his leack of intellect.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Better than Rahul Gandhi..
    aren’t we setting the bar very low?
    I think he was far better as I&B minister in Morarji cabinet. As home minister; not sure. That’s for another time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Poor guy Advani. He has already started working towards how to become
    PM in his next birth. If I am not mistaken he still has a house at the same place where I come from in Kutch. He should retire and spend his remaining years peacefully in that small quiet town.

    Ashish, a nice hilarious piece.

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    AshishC Reply:

    You are from Kutch?
    What about a joke on Advani to brighten up my Sunday?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A major part of my adult life I opposed Advani . Then why is that I don’t feel amused with a piece like this? I rather feel sad.

    Absolutely brilliant piece.

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    AshishC Reply:

    As someone who wishes the BJP “grow up” and come to power double quick- I see Advani as someone who keeps BJP firmly moored to idioms of the past. As long as he is in BJP- and there is an outside chance of his making a bid for PM-ship, I will hesitate to vote BJP.
    Unbelievable it may be to many, including myself, I voted Congress in the elections that brought UPA-II to power.

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    manohar_T Reply:

    I think you forgot one little detail. let me complete it for you.

    As an immediate fallout, supporters of Messrs Modi, Jaitley, Jaswant
    Singh, Sushma Swaraj, Gadkari were seen hugging each other,
    distributing sweets and decided to organise a country-wide rath yatra telling the people ‘Happy days are here again’.

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