Lands of the Rising Sun



Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe will be India’s Republic Day guest this weekend. Traditionally this is an invitation the Indian government extends only to countries that it sees as friendly, to leaders who are not seen as controversial and to reflect relationships over whom there is a broad consensus at home.

Don’t expect to see any Chinese or Pakistani leaders taking the march-past of the Indian army regiments any time soon. Even an American president is unlikely, at least for a few decades more.

There is an assumption with most observers that this is all about balancing China. And there is not doubt that plays a key role, especially when it comes Abe. But the point to remember is that the present high in Indo-Japanese relations was driven by a consensus in Tokyo — both the Democratic Party of Japan in its pro-China phase and the more nationalistic Liberal Democratic Party supported the idea of close engagement with India.

The same was true for the nuclear deal with the United States. China was only one of the reasons it came together — and that largely in the Pentagon. The US intelligence community saw India as important to its concerns about Islamic militancy. The corporate lobbies had markets in mind. The US Congress was largely excited about the Indian American community and their donations. George W. Bush was much taken by India’s democracy. All these lobbies came together to push the nuclear deal through, though the media tended to focus on China alone.

Is there a similar mix of interests coming together when it comes to Japan’s new found interest in Japan? This would be a measure of the likelihood of the relationship moving forward over a long period of time, the more interests involved, the more likely the centre will hold.

Corporate Japan is a big part of this. They want an alternative manufacturing site to China. But not only because of the odd bout of Japanese bashing. They are also looking at China’s rising wages, but probably even more worryingly at the degree of Chinese intellectual property rights pilferage.They have looked elsewhere as well. Vietnam, Indonesia and Thailand are among the countries they are investing in. Luckily for India, each has its own drawbacks.

But Japan Inc is also looking at what they see as nascent digital manufacturing capabilities developing in India, a consequence of a growing interface between India’s software and manufacturing firms. This none of these countries, including China, has shown any signs of developing. Yet digital manufacturing is the core of Japan’s competitiveness today. So partnering with India makes sense irrespective of the geopolitics.

Abe’s own vision is of a “normal” Japan. One with a military, independent foreign policy and general heft in the global system proportionate to what is, after all, the world’s third largest economy — bigger than Germany and the UK put together.

He has to face the post-modern sensibilities of his own people. As well as the postwar constitutional and normative shackles on the military and so on that he has inherited. China and North Korea’s bullyboy ways are helping break the first barrier. The second, I suspect, is where he sees India’s utility. India still has a fair amount of goodwill, or at least it attracts minimal hostility in other Asian countries. Having, in effect, New Delhi endorse a new and “normal” Japan by inviting Abe to stand before a semi-military parade, buy the first exported Japanese military equipment and hold naval exercises with Japan outside the Pacific Ocean helps provide Tokyo with the sort of legitimacy it could hope to get with other Asian states.

There are gaps in relations, many more than existed with the United States. The lack of any really deep people-to-people contacts is one. Polls show that India has been rising in approval among the Japanese, but it is still grounded in nothing concrete. This is one reason it continues to be difficult to secure a nuclear deal between the two countries — domestic Japanese opinion remains hostile as do the smaller Japanese political parties. And the Japanese military have none of the clout of the US Pentagon.

As and if Japanese investment begins to pour into the country, presumably much of this will change. For now, though, it helps to realize, as the sun rises on Rajpath this Sunday, that there is more to India and Japan than another country.

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  • Anonymous

    If Vinod Sharma has taken two names … Pranab Mukerjee and Hamid Ansari …then that may well be the case.
    Will Sonia and her son ever trust Pranab Mukerjee ? ….Never.
    Hamid Ansari ? Yes appears to be more pliant and harmless.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It will be a good thing to nominate Pranab.

    Getting Kalam will be superb.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi
    That what ordinary folks think. But do you think Sonia and her son worry about what ordinary people think ? Why would they have ever gifted Pratibha Patil to us ? They will be guided by what is good for them. They would want another Aziz Qureshi …loyal , pliant and harmless

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  • Anonymous

    My vote would be Kalam.

    Pranabda still fancies the PM’s chair. The COngress and auntie maybe kicking him up to ensure chotta baba gets the kursi and Pranabda is alway there to guide.

    Hamid ansari pales in comparison to the popular kalam. But Sonia hates kalam…

    So… it is either ansari or Dada…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pranab is still needed for active fire fighting, though it could be a kind of reward for him for letting MMS take the lead and stay undisputed. He may also move out of the active politics even if Congress gets a big margin and forms the Govt and Rahul becomes the PM.

    NDA was against second term for any incumbent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is somthing about Pranabda that he is still around since the day I could make sense of news ! A bit staid , though I think. He never created ripples with his bidgets the way Chidambaran and MMS did.

    Maybe he senses that it is time for him to go up the ladder as one cannot be sure of UPA 3 happening. Wont be too bad as President. Certainy better than our current lady.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have a feeling that SP and Mamata may tilt towards a non partisan Kalam. And that can tilt the balance.

    Anonymous Reply:

    lets hope we dont put a Muslim just because hes a Muslim, a naukar just because he is a loyal servant — We have eminent people matching the great Dr S Radha Krishnan, Dr Rajendra Prasad, Dr Abdul kalam etc.

    Let us hope the politicos will do good this time.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very right. We need a shinging face of India who inspires people. Since I have no experiece of Rjandra prasad or Radhakrishanan… I can say Kalam was one such person.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    I do not remember anything about Dr Prasad because I was in the primary school. However, I vividly remember Dr Radhakrishnan; a great philosopher, statesman, speaker, rooted well in Indian and universal ethos.

  • Anonymous

    The political uncertainties, the centre-state tussle, increasing corruption, and numerous other issues require a strong President in the coming years. Let us hope Congress would not bring in another weakling as they have done with the old lady,

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  • Anonymous

    IMO, one of the most suitable persons to occupy the august office would be Gopalkirishna Gandhi. He is the grandson of Mahatma Gandhi, and son of Devadas Gandhi and Lakshmi Gandhi. His maternal grandfather was C. Rajagopalachari (Rajaji). Gopalkrishna Gandhi is the younger brother of Rajmohan Gandhi, and the late Ramchandra Gandhi, and Smt. Tara Bhattacharjee (Gandhi), all of whom are distinguished in their own right.

    As a former member of the Indian Administrative Service, he served as Secretary to the President of India and as High Commissioner to South Africa and Sri Lanka, among other administrative and diplomatic posts. He was the Governor of West Bengal serving from 2004 to 2009. He was appointed the chairman of governing body of Indian Institute of Advanced Study, and president of its society on March 5, 2012

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    I know he is not being considered on account of vote bank politics of various parties. I would be delighted if he was elected.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Anybody in that role should be a strong one who can take decisive actions within his constitutional powers. Hope this Gandhi is.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahadevan

    When Max Webber defined his Role Theory, he stated that it is not the PERSON who needs to be strong, but instead it is the ROLE that needs to be strong.

    Once the ROLE is defined STRONGLY then most individuals will act strongly due to the fact that the Role demands it.

    He gave the example of the role of Louis and Napoleon. We remember Napoleon as being a strong man, where as the role of Louis, at the time was a strong role and Napoleon – was largely an actor (all be a good one) who just performed that role.

    What we need is to strengthen the role of the President, within the Constitution of India. That is neither urgent nor an easy task to achieve.

    My vote is for B V Shenoy he is very strong, or so he thinks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    You are partly correct. The role as well as the person have to be strong.

    For example, look at our EC. The role of the Chief Election Commissioner is a strong one, with all sorts of independence and power to enforce fair and free elections. However, no CEC used any of those powers; political parties could do whatever they wanted including booth capturing, intimidation etc. It took a person, TN Sheshan, to enforce the election rules; nobody before him did anything due to the fear of political masters.

    I am not an expert on our constitution; but my guess is that our framers have crafted the role of the president as a strong one, going by how they have crafted the role of other independent agencies such as CEC.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mahadevan

    This is so true.

    However, scenario you state is because those with real power have perverted the Role. And what Mr Sheshan did was to revert that perversion. That is ceratinly due to his personal strengths, but he was able to exercise those because the Role allowed him to do that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The president’s role, duties and obligations are very well defined with enough discretion and independence (of the cabinet and others) to handle situations that were not or cannot be foreseen. The prime example is as to which party is to be invited first to from the Government when there is a fractured verdict and there may be other cases. The first two presidents had minds of their own and were never found wanting to take on Pandit Nehru on many issues to caution and counsel him. Of course, they were well aware of the limitations of the office and that the will of the cabinet/parliament had to be respected. It must be also true of some other presidents that followed.

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar & Mohan

    India to pump in Rs 2 lakh cr in 12th Plan to save climate

    We will discuss this later here on this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    First of all India should stop this five year plans; fold any long term initiative into the then fiscal budget. It is interesting we still have the soviet (or old Chinese) model 5 year plans when China and Russia have scrapped those….

    Second, we should not spend any money directly on climate control. We should use that money for cleansing our river waters from pollution, improving hygiene e.g (toilets for folks),

    Well, whatever it is, here is another Rs2 lakh crore for IAS/politicians to steal.. What a country!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We will discuss this and the questions you have raised later tonight.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes tonight, after few pegs when I am in my senses.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I believe this 5 year plans are a road-map as to where resources need to be spent, given the the levels of poverty plus so much needs to be done on so many fronts and not enough funds available. If we had unlimited supply of funds, then perhaps we would not need the Planning Commission.

    Do you agree?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar, Mohan and Gopi

    First of all, I hope Mohan is in his ’senses’ by now.

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    One will have to go through the detailed report itself to see why such a sum needs to be spent.

    Ishwar has already made the point, which I had also articulated few months back.

    I am no expert either, but I have read enough about it to say that this was a big scam for carbon trading. A lot of people made plenty of money. Thankfully, no one is buying the theory anymore and they have conveniently changed “Global Warming” to more acceptable “Climate Change”.

    For God’s sake, what’s the big deal about climate change? The climate does change as it has over thousands of years. We can’t control it. There are far too many factors beyond human control which determines this. Information Technology (TV and internet in particular) brings us the news of floods, droughts, earthquakes etc. occuring all over the world to us now in a dramatic way and the issue seems bigger. Did none of these happened in the past – they did – it’s just that people didn’t know what was happening in other part of the world.

    I believe in a theory which says: Species that walk the surface of this earth adapt themselves to its environment or become extinct, none have the ability to change it.

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    Perhaps they need to spend huge amounts to prevent greenhouse gas emissions so that the rate of climate change is slowed down.

    Gopi

    I suppose the money would also be spent cleansing our river waters from pollution, improving hygiene e.g (toilets for folks) and other similar projects.

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  • Anonymous

    A manager of hotel got a call from one of his guest who was in a room on 15th floor
    of the hotel. Guest ” Please help us, my wife and I had an argument and now
    she is trying to jump out of the window ”
    Manager : “Sir, this is your personal family problem, I cannot help you in this case”
    Guest : ” You have got to help, this bloody window is jammed, my wife is not able to open it.”

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  • Anonymous

    All political parties can claim some redemption if they collectively support a person looked upon and respected by a majority of the country . Dr Kalam, Naaryan Moorthy, Azim Premji, MK Narayanan, etc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Another name suggested a few is of Dr. M S Swaminathan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Disqus is strange some times — my response to this went to the top of the comments.r

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    No political party is looking for any redemption. They just want a yes man in
    the seat of President.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi and Mohan

    In the end it would be a trusted pliant guy who fits into the agenda.

    Kalam would be rejected by the COngress as he prevented Boota Singh to do a loota singh in Bihar.

    Even Ansari may seem too principled– even though he will help congress win points in the Muslim agenda . So they will get Pranabda

    In the end India will always talk about princples but succumb to power politics.

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  • Anonymous

    Swaminathan is great; (also a fellow Malayali); however,, he is old. Let us put a relatively young man, a “total surprise” for all (that rules out Dr Kalam). If UPA plays it right, and go out to get a respected person, it will help them to mprove their electoral performance in 2014.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Dr Kalam’s principled stance on various issues would seem dangerous to the Congress on its current corruption tangle. LET THESE WORDS BE WRITTEN IN GOLD HERE…. THE NEXT PRESIDENT WILL ONLY BE ONE WHO CAN HELP CONGRESS SUSTAIN ITS PRESENT AGENDA AND HELP IT IN DEFLECTING ITS CORRUPTION MUCK– in case a situation arises.

    Of course we can have academic discussions here on the names of eminent persons who should be on the seat.

    We can also pray that Mamta, SP and NDA get together to get together to get in Dr Kalam, who in my opinion iwll only agree if he is a consensus candidate.

    Looking back the NDA’s effort and success in getting Dr Abdul kalam was a masterstroke. It can only be repeated in case we have similar visionary leaders who have the guts to get non political, non pliant, non servile Presidents.

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  • Anonymous

    good observation.

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  • Anonymous

    Jai Prakash Narayan

    Here is some aspects I was not aware of, which I came across while researching Gopalkrishna Gandhi.

    1. Gopal Krishna Gandhi makes leaders, babus squirm

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-19/patna/31077084_1_politicians-jp-mahatma-gandhi

    The discomfiture of politicians and bureaucrats of Bihar was to be seen to be believed when Mahatma Gandhi’s grandson and former West Bengal governor Gopal Krishna Gandhi addressed them at the valedictory session of the three-day ‘Global Summit on Changing Bihar’ on Sunday.

    He did not directly assail anyone, yet, in an imaginary letter written to the architect of Total Revolution, Jaya Prakash Narayan, which he read out as part of his valedictory address, ………..

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    Here comes the line (2nd para) that needs to be read

    Drawing a parallel between emperor Shah Jehan’s eldest son Dara Shikoh and JP, he said, “If Dara Shikoh had been coroneted, India’s history would have been different today.

    Similarly, if you (JP) had not turned down the offer to become the first prime minister, the history of Independent India would have been completely different.” Gandhi said politicians today have become a butt of joke and hatred and the term ‘netagiri’ is used to malign and condemn.

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    2. In 1934, Jayaprakash and his friends formed the Congress Socialist Party under the Presidentship of Acharya Narendra Deva and secretaryship of Jayaprakash himself. The group intended to function as the Socialist wing within the Congress party and aimed to make socialism the goal of the Congress. In a book “Why Socialism?” (1932), Jayaprakash explained why socialism would be right for India. He was adored by the youth for his idealism.

    After independence and the death of Mahatma Gandhi, Jai Prakash Narayan, Acharya Narendra Dev and Basawon Singh led the CSP out of Congress to become the opposition Socialist Party, which later took the name Praja Socialist Party.

    The Socialists lost to the Congress in the 1952 elections. Nehru invited Jayaprakash to join the Cabinet. When Nehru could give no assurances on the implementation of Jayaprakash’s 14 point plan to reform the Constitution, the Administration and Judicial system, nationalize the banks, redistribute land to the landless, revive Swadeshi, and setup cooperatives, Jayaprakash refused the offer.

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    Can anyone elaborate on the above two points, especially the first one – was he really offered the Prime Ministership and by whom?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    This is the first time I am hearing about JP being offered the PMship.
    Nehru had invited him to be a cabinet minister. He is rumoured to have been offered a Dy PMship after Saradr Patel passed away.

    PSP was a reasonably successful party. The first CM of Kerala was a PSP leader, Pattom Thanu Pillai, who led a coalition of PSP/Muslim League/Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Even I heard this for the first time today. Gopalkrishna Gandhi must surely have some basis for his assertion. Hope someone is able to expand upon this.

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    PSP started off well, but then it was downhill journey all the way.

    At the party’s first general election in 1957, the PSP won 10.41% of the total votes and 19 seats in the Lok Sabha. However, the party’s vote share continued to decline over the next few elections. It won 6.81% of the total votes and 12 seats in the Lok Sabha in 1962,[4] 3.06% of the total votes and 13 seats in the Lok Sabha in 1967 and only 1.04% of the total votes and only 2 seats in the Lok Sabha in 1971.

    History

    The Praja Socialist Party (PSP) was an Indian political party in existence from 1952 to 1972. It was founded when the Socialist Party, led by Jayprakash Narayan, Acharya Narendra Deva and Basawon Singh (Sinha), merged with the Kisan Mazdoor Praja Party led by J.B. Kripalani (formerly, the president of the Indian National Congress and a close associate of Jawaharlal Nehru). A section led by Rammanohar Lohia broke from the party in 1955, resuming the name “Socialist Party”. Another section of the party, led by the trade union leader George Fernandes, broke off to become the Samyukta Socialist Party in 1969. In 1960, Kripalani left the party and in 1964, Asoka Mehta joined Congress after his expulsion from the party. In 1972, the PSP merged with Fernandes’s party to become the Socialist Party once more, before becoming part of the Janata coalition following the Emergency in 1977.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    I believe Gopal Gandhi mentioned about a ministership and not a PMship.

    Anyway, regarding PSP – PK Kunju Sahib (a Muslimm PSP member) finance minister in the1967n EMS Namboodiripad cabinet in Kerala, introduced government lottery for the first time in India as a non-tax revenue collection mechanism. Struggling with poor state and centre economy, he decided that lottery is a good way of raising revenue. In fact his may be the first government sponsored lottery anywhere in the world.ll

    Anonymous Reply:

    He clearly says Prime Ministership. A mere Minister is unable to set a completely different agenda and course, that is what Gopal Gandhi is hinting at.

  • Anonymous

    Yajiv

    Sharad Pawar is “Loota Singh” as Viju will qualify him-

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  • Anonymous

    I pray that UPA does not nominate Ansari.

    I recommend they go after Azim Premji or Yusuf Kwaja Hameid of Cipla if they are hell-bent on having a Muslim.

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    guest Reply:

    premji and khawaja hameed are doing good job. why they sould do something which can be done by ex-cook.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    HOW THE ROYAL FAMILY CHOOSES PRESIDENTS:

    Ever since Mrs Indira Gandhi had a fight over Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy the Gandhi’s love servile presidents.

    The interestingly named Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed blankly signed the Emergency and the jettisoning of human rights.

    Giani Zail Singh proudly announced that his ambition in life was to clean untensils in Indira gandhi’s house. He was immediately made the President of India. Despite being the instigator of the mess in Punjab.

    Pratibha Devi Singh Patil actually cleaned utensils and served tea in the Indira Gandhi household to SOnia G. She deservingly became president, despite the gross corruption scams her family bathed in.

    The only presidents of note in recent tiems have been

    Naryanan curtesy the sleey eyed genius– PV narasimha rao

    APJ Abdul Kalam– curtesy the NDA

    Please fellow bloggers, dont expect them to choose Premji, Kalam or any other man of itellect and standing….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    May be this time they should select the driver instead of utensils cleaner.

    Vote for CK Jaffer Sheriff! He is rumoured to be selected as a governor, for my state – why stop at governorship…

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    All about servility. Sad that they choose CK Jaffer sharieff whose hand in communal violence and histroy of corruption is splattered all over the internet.

    Unfortunately the media too will treat Jaffer Sharieff with adualtion… kyonki woh royal family ka sewak hai!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    As you and some others here seem to have a bias against persons with certain backgrounds – drivers, cooks, etc. would you have objections to Anna Hazare being elected to the august office?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well Manohar, as you say, parliament is supreme, so let them vote for whoever is their ideal…

    No, I will not have an issue with Hazare — the issue with the other driver and utensils person is that they/their relatives looted the country; and there was no accomplishments other than that..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank you for pointing out the ’subtle’ distinctions, speaks volumes.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Hazare was a driver with the Indian army a man of dignity and honour. People who wanted to clean utensils of royal family would not do it in the army or to anyone else. They were naukers of servility to the royal family.

    They were domestic servants of selfishness because the hid their lack of intellect and choose naukercy to get power.

  • Pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    I am not in the business of discussing religion and races, but some where I read in last article that Hindus are meek. Tab se sulag rahi hai. would love to refute this generalization.
    Heard enough of Allah. To begin with, what is the difference between Allah hafiz and Khuda hafiz. Would some one try to elaborate? Ravi included.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Allah is ‘pure’ according to ‘pure’ muslims.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Do you mean ” PAK” by pure?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Just few years back in India Khuda Haafiz was commonly used but now most of the
    people use Allah Haafiz. In Arab world Allah is used more than Khuda.
    Maybe Allah is imported from Arabia as they are considered as pure.
    Most of the Pakistanis I know use Allah now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I asked a Muslim boy about it. He felt very ashamed .

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Pathakji;
    I have sheltered many Muslim boys myself as I believe they are as much human as any body else.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very true.

    Ravi Reply:

    But they look towards another country in the middle east for their devine inspiration, that makes them suspect, trecherous, anti-Indian and worthy of being treated as second class citizens of our country.

    They are a vote bank and no one else is.

    Everyone else votes after careful scrutiny of candidates policies, where as they vote in accordance with a FATWA issued by the Deobandi Mullah who has recievd money from Saudi and looks like a paedophile.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    I recognise a hint of mischief in your post but still choose to answer your question.

    There is no difference in Allah Hafiz or Khuda Hafiz. One – I guess – is in Arabic and the other is in Pharsi.

    Hindus are not meek by any imagination, uncles you believe that Rajputs, Marathas, Punjabi, Paharis, Dogras, etc are meek races. Which by any imagination are not, on the contrary they are calssed as martial races.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Mischief? Dear, I believe in Sitaron ke aage jahan aur bhi hai. Not trying a fast one. I love muslims as a civilization, a streak in the evolution of humanity. Period. But few of them, when they start saying that we are superior than every body else, they have NO IDEA, THEY ARE JUST …

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    Ravi Reply:

    Yes but they are not alone in believing that.

    Jews believe that they are superior.

    The Germans definitely believe they are superior.

    Japanese believe they are very superior.

    Just as you ignore their contention, ignore similar claims made by the Muslims.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Ravi; At present, no Jews, no German no Japanese is saying that. It is some residents of North Waziristan and…. who are proclaiming this. That is the problem.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Really fynny Pankaj !! joke of the day !

    Ravi Reply:

    Oh but they all are saying that. They are just not asserting it on the world stage.

    If you are in any doubt, ask Palestinians, Philipinos living in Japan, and Turks living in Germany, these are just a sample of many such examples.

    Imperialism exercised by these races may be in the past but it is in their genes. Muslims have yet to go beyond their imperial ambitions. I am confident that India can stop the advance of such mis-adventures.

  • Anonymous

    ‘BJP should answer who implicated Amitabh Bachchan in Bofors’

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/BJP-should-answer-who-implicated-Amitabh-Bachchan-in-Bofors/943620/

    Former Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh has said BJP leader Arun Jaitley should answer who implicated actor Amitabh Bachchan in Bofors scam.

    “Jaitley and Bhure Lal were part of the investigation team. Jaitley should answer who implicated Bachchan in the case,” he said.

    Jaitley, who was the Additional Solicitor General during the V P Singh government’s rule, declined to comment on Singh’s claim.

    “Jaitley needs to clear his name and if needed he should file a defamation case against the Swedish police chief,” Singh said adding “V P Singh’s agenda was Bofors”.

    The former Swedish police chief Sten Lindstrom had claimed in a media interview last week that some Indian investigators had linked Bachchan to the Bofors case.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I had almost forgotten the Bhure Lal story !!! Bad memory.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is also significant to note that Arun Jaitely refusing to comment on the allegations made by Mulayam Singh.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    You wondered if NDA preponed the nuclear explosion to contain Jaya.

    Let me assume you pride yourself being fair, despite some inclination towards BJP. I also respect your comment that you do not expect me to comment something in a frivolous way. So you need to find some clues to my statement. How do you do that?

    For a person like you who does not have much detailed interest in political intrigues, let’s start backward.

    We have a long tradition of nuclear technologies. We had tested before. We also have mastered the lab modules for these kind of technological validation. The World knew our capabilities. We were comfortable in banning these tests, not because we did not need it, but because we could safely do without them and pursue our nuclear ambitions. Pakistan needed to tell the World that they were also capable but were not getting opportunities.

    NDA / BJP always wanted prove they were not less than Indira’s Congress. So we always expected NDA to go for it. It was just a matter of timing.

    Suddenly, Jaya, like the present day Mamta, started throwing tantrum. Every day became a torture for BJP/NDA. Suddenly the NDA Govt was on the verge of collapse. It was not matter of weeks or days, it was becoming matter of hours as Jaya had escalated the threats.

    One fine evening, Vajpayee just started mumbling before the camera. His eyes were belying his expressions. He was trying to avoid the cameras. But his eyes spoke a lot ( anticipation of a big event ), exactly like Advani’s eyes and expressions 20/30 minutes before the the event when those 3 MP’s started waiving the notes in parliament just before the voting.

    Next morning the big news broke.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Contd….

    Suddenly Jaya went silent.

    She completely withdrew to a corner like a wet *****. She stopped threatening the Govt. all of a sudden. Because she knew if she withdrew then BJP would come back with a huge margin, perhaps with a simple majority. She kept quiet and maintained a distance from BJP/NDA for a long time.

    How do you validate this. Perhaps best option would be to talk to somebody very close to Mahajan, because this was supposed to be Mahajan’s master stroke. Not the nuclear explosion, but the preponement of the explosion to contain Jaya. Ask Jaya about Mahajan anytime.

    The fall outs were many. Pakistan, in a week’s time, became a declared Nuclear state. India lost her supremacy based on the conventional weapons. Pakistan started threatening openly by moving nuclear assets openly at the slightest provocation.

    The other fallout was the massive cover up by the scientific community regarding the “low yield” of the explosion due to inadequate preparation. With every passing day, it was becoming as obvious as Raja’s complicity in 2G scam. If you remember, many months later, some scientists challenged and released few documents in support of these news about low yielding due to inadequate preparation..

    How do you move from here to validate my assertions ?

    1) Start with Shenoy’s feeble response. You know his sense of history is good. You also know how strongly he reacts to my regular postings. See how feeble his response to my assertions here. He knows, suspects but avoids stating the truth.

    2) Start with video recordings from the Parliament Library.You will know about my descriptions of both Vajpayee and Advani events.

    3) Bring in all newspaper clippings of 3 weeks before the nuclear explosion and 3 weeks after. Pour over the detailed Jaya’s antics before the event and her uncharacteristic silence hours after the event, prolonging into months after the event.

    4) Talk to some serious political and strategic analysts.

    5) Find somebody real close to Mahajan

    If you are really serious about unravelling the political mysteries, you have to make serious efforts, more than just passing a comment – these are only assumptions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Very very interesting. I won’t promise that I will immidiately do what you have suggested
    but I’ll try to look at those at my leisure. But I still believe that nuclear testing is a huge decision where to contain Jaya – if this was the reason- would not be the only reason
    of taking the decission of such magnitude.
    Thanks very much and I sincerely appreciate your taking such an effort to explain.
    p.s I wish you had not brought up Shenoy on this subject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please don’t consider my observation on Shenoy’s remark as a fun jab. It was a qualified statement.

    My bad feeling for a particular party started when I saw from a very close quarter how the leaders used the public psych for petty gains. How people broke down the long standing conventions for petty gains. People have used many great national resources for petty political gains.

    The call for divisive federalism ( a great boon for Pak-China nexus ) has started for a very petty political gain. Had anybody else done this, they would have been branded as anti-national in a ziffy. This will spiral into a major headache for the country. After sometime Kashmir and NE states will make a legitimate claims on this. Every state may come up with their own version of history and educational content with slants. A great effort to standardise the National education system and make our children competitive on the World stage is just about go waste.

    So do not think people are not capable of using nuclear explosion for a petty political gain. People are capable of lots of misadventure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Now this is very serious, dificult or shoud I say impossible for me to digest.
    Are you trying to say our country may disintegrate and BJP would be responsible
    for that?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can ignore a person who steals money from my house.

    But I can never forgive a man who comes in with a smile but creates division in my house. I hate such a man irrespective of his brilliant smile or his friendly and sophisticated demeanor. I recognise such men from a great distance.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    is that a cover up for Rajiv’s Bofors chori ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Mohan,

    After reading these exchanges between Mohan and PathakGJi,

    I am inclined to sing,
    Pathakji,
    parda hata de, mukhda dikha de
    tu mera dil ka dukhda mitha de

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Different words but similar meaning. Someone on this blog had told me this.
    And no that was not Sanjay. It was about a year back.
    Though I may not agree with you sometimes but it feels nice interacting with you.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Nice story for me to sleep with a smile. So you are saying that NDA is capable of nuclear misadventrue !!

    O Boy!! Sau kos door tak jab maa ko bachche ko sulaana hot thaa woh Gabbar singh ka naam leti thi’

    Anonymous Reply:

    “let me assume you pride yourself being fair, despite some inclination to BJP” …..So is your foundational belief that people who have inclination for BJP are unfair??

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    ——————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~ HOW THE BOFORS OBFUSCATION WILL HAPPEN ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————–

    Three days back I had explained how Sonia G had committed the gaffe of the century. She got up in the Bofors debate and then

    a) Did not say that the kickbacks, rishwat and ghoos and chori are bad and her husband was linked to them

    b) She did not say that Lindstorm had named Ottavio Q, a close family friend who hung around with the Gandhi;s even after Rajiv G’s death

    She just blamed the BJP for getting bachchan into the picture, even though he was innocent.

    Arre Sonia madam, as bachchan family friends could you not have said this in 1990 that Rajiv and Quotrochchi are commission takers and Amitabh is innocent?

    NOW THE BIG OBFUSCATION STORY HAS BEGUN.

    COngress has deputed its pet Dahla– Amar Singh Dahala, the Dahla of Dhalas…

    He too is getting Jailtey into the picture for getting Bachchan’s name into it.

    So the UPA game is clear. In case the Bofors heat reaches the home of the chor, start shouting BJP, RSS, Vajpayee. Even blame them for it !!!!!

    What third class liers !!!!

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  • Anonymous

    @Gopi
    “let me assume you pride yourself being fair, despite some inclination to BJP” …..So is your foundational belief that people who have inclination for BJP are unfair??

    ===========================

    Let me safely say Mohan is not as BJP-Neutral as Vijay.

    I believe he has shown fair respect for people’s contradictory views. He has demanded explanation whenever needed. Not once, twice. But thirty times a Month.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    what does fair/unfair have to do with being pro whatever political party

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Being fair is a very uncommon trait. Very few people can claim to have achieved that balance. Very few people proudly display their liking for a particular party, yet respect good things about other political parties.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pathak G

    I am just fair to my sense of justice and core beleifs .

    MOhan is fair to all of us with his gr8 sense of humor… and reminding us that beyond blogging there are wine and women who are neglected !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ….wine and women who are neglected !

    How true ! Blame it on this Blog.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Thirty times? I hope you don’t feel that I am like a nagging wife . (: (:

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just fell short by half !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Only if he was drinking 30 times a day, we would be saved the bother to explain things to him. ;-) What say, Mohan? ;-)

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you want to be saved?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan, Mohan!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not from a gentleman like you. ;-)

    Ask 31 times, no problem. ‘paisa vasool’

    BTW: You had said

    “Yes tonight, after few pegs when I am in my senses”.

    You failed to specify how many is few – 5, 10, 15, 20, 25,…. and would they be Patiala pegs?
    (I like working in multiples of 5).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Till we meet let that remain a secret.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    —————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ SOME GOOD NEWS~~ ARNAB HAS TAKEN THE CASE OF TALWAR SERVANTS ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————-

    In the day time I had commented that Maalik’s in India treat their naukers like dirt– not like human beings.

    As the noose tightens around Nupur Talwar, I stll hope and pray that she is innocent.

    But if she is guilty…

    Whyt he hell did she and Rajesh Talwar try to implicate their domestic servants for the murder. Did they not think of them as human beings?

    The good news for me is that Arnab has talked a little about it in the news show right now. I hope the voice gets amplified. I at least want to talk more about it on my varioous blog sites.

    The case again shows the weakness in Indian law and media. The media needed lurid stories including incredble ones of the “wild wild” parties the Talwars attended. It got TRP ratings and ads. The lawyers got all the debates in.

    Where was the justice? Till now…

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  • Pankaj#1

    PathakG;
    Thirty times a month? Yes, you are not to be triffled with.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ Pathak G

    Wont be able to see ur reply to this tonight… but fromt he gist of your arguement

    Agar NDA power mein aa jayega

    Toh Mard pregnant hone shuru ho jaynege

    Dogs will fly in the sky…

    Suraj Paschim se nikalega

    The sky will start raining us with bats…

    C;mon yaar have a heart. You know it as well as I do. That this present government is probably the most corrupt in India’s history. That it is a weak arrangement with the PM scared that he will be replaced any second. That the government is based on naukercy to promote a family’s interest and not Indian interests. That it has an entourage of paid media basking in handouts and seats…

    Arre raat guzar jayegi. List will not be complete !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am waiting for you to dig out 1,70,000000000000000 + 700000000000 + ……000000 with the help of your JCB’s.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I am probably too sleepy to reply, but wish to say that these days I am using donkeys too… as JCB’s cannot go in aprticular terrain…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good company.

    Ravi Reply:

    What is an appropriate group noun for a brace of donkeys.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thanks . Teahes a lot about human beings and their behaviour. The donkeys are innocent and non scheming in contrast ….!

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    You have used donkeys in your work. This animal has my full sympathy. This animal has been used, abused and what not not. In jokes, in real life. I would like to confront a person, who makes fun of donkeys..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    I had heard this few years ago, you may not like this but it is true.

    Apne desh mein garib ko aur ghadhe ko jitna chahe maaro woh
    kuch nahin bolenge.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    I wnt to cofront people, whosays” jitna marro…”

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Since I also moonlight and work on a project for human behaviour … my time witht he donkeys was most productive. I was a bit of a Desmond morris in the company of Donkeys

    The label of a donkey is a misnomer. It is a very intelligent and loyal animal. Unfortunately the lack of the glamour factor has made it a butt of jokes.

    I also discovered that the donkey owner loved his donkeys and worshipped them in the morning befor eleaving for work. The donkeys have a strict work schedule of work 5-00 in the morning to 1;00 in the daytime.

    I ordered 30 kg gurr and chana for them. I think the loyalty I will get from them is more than what many mnay friends will give…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice. You just started understanding about the not-so-obvious qualities in others. Good start, though a long way to go. A curious mind sails farther without help.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is only the good companies that can think of innovative ways of “extracting mud” by dirt cheap ways.

    It is the bad bosses who toss good money into deep pits and get pittance in return.

  • Anonymous

    Its late now almost midnight here in Dubai, I think I can post an ‘A’ joke.

    A lady tattooed I LOVE YOU on her b….bs and showed it to her husband.
    He said ‘ you have a habit of putting your words in my mouth ‘ .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    You are incorrigible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    this is a booby trap only wives can put up for their husbands (and also boy friends).

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  • Anonymous

    Time for my brothers and sisters in India to have a President worthy of them.
    Rashtrapati Bhavan has become an “old age home” for old politicians loyal to the Gandhi family.

    Hope you will get /demand a worthy one.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Binoy;
    You have spoken for all of us.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Yes Benoy we have to move beyond family rule and worship. Your inputs from the US on how the real democracies dont worship famileis llike naukers will definately make people think…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Servants of the “FAMILY” must be restricted only to the governor’s post.

    RP’s post should be open to all Indians.

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  • Anonymous

    I just read in a local Indian newspaper in NY about one Kripasankar Singh, a ward member of Mumbai municipal corporation, belonging to Congress party.

    An ex-street vegetable vendor migrated to Mumbai from UP, it is alleged that he has amassed $120MM worth assets through his party connections.

    CBI is apparently investigating this.

    Lots of questions -

    1) How was he able to amass this much? Even Romney, as the chief of Bain Capital for many years was not ale to amass that much money from his Bain Capital days!

    2) Why was he not arrested long back, say when he hit $0.5 Million, $2 Mill, $10 Mill,,?

    3) How much a municipal corporation chairman or a cabinet minister can make if a ward member can make $120MM? Are they all ( except a few good ones) making this type of money?

    4) We have a Dist Attorney system to go after these types of corruption. A minor violation by politicians and bureaucrats will most probably send them to jail for many years, as the recent case of Governor Blogovich of Illinois – he was sentenced for 30 years for a discussion on getting money, even without obtaining any money! Is there any system like that there keeping a tab on bureaucrats and politicians? Will Hzare’s Loakyukt be able to go after these types of violations?

    Where is the outrage in india? I see the pro congress people here castigating Hazare, a man who has not stolen a penny. What is their suggestion to implement a corruption free , or a less corrupt system ?

    I just cannot believe this. I hope this is a false info set up by his enemies.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Hi Benoy !

    Nice to read your posting first thing in the morning. You’d be surprised to know that the the sams Chandrasekhar Singh was being given certifiattes for HONESTY by the HIndustan Times. You can read Sujata Anandan’s blog wheere she specifically talks about his HONESTY.

    This was just before he was caught for chori…

    Why did she do this?

    Well I guess the Congress leader would have probably beaten a drum about his own honesty. And because he was Congress, like a true Hindustan Times journo, Sujata must have said, ” In the great tradition of all cong men, Sungh must be pure and NDA must be creating rumours….”

    Or maybe there was smoe favour being done to her. After all why certify honesty of a chor….?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    It seems that you are not in regular touch with news in India. This guy Kripashankar
    is just one small cheat among many other similar like him and lot more much bigger
    then him. You asked whether there is any system to keep tab on such bureaucrats?
    The system we follow is how to cheat and how to get away and this system is running
    very smoothly since independence. We as a public talk about these incidents for a short
    while,forget after few days and wait for other such episode which will again make
    us angry for few more days when we will curse our politicians and bureaucrats and will
    move on . The question is are we indirectly in complicit with these criminals ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    it is clear that ‘aap iss duniya mein nahin rehte ho’.

    You are asking, ‘where is the outrage’? Leave aside outrage. An editor of Hindustan Times proudly flaunts her friendship with him with a certificate for his honesty!

    In the India of today, only BJP corruption makes news.
    Take Yeddy. He was made to look as if his corruption is the worst in the whole world, comaprable to Zardari and Imelda.

    Now Ashok Chavan is charge-sheeted by the Enforcement Directorate, but the media is very sanguine about it, pushing the news to ***-bits!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    A small comment – even when trying to discuss corruption in Congress ruled states , you felt compelled to bring in Yeddy.
    Rather, treatment meted out to Yeddy.
    Are you seeking some kind of parity with Congress in illicit money making ? Or, better still, lamenting the lack of opportunities for NDA in money making ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Welcome back. Bhai saab aap kidhar gum ho gaye they.?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan bhai,
    Have been terribly busy. Daaru ke liye bhi time nahi mil raha aaj kal . You can understand….. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Daaru ke liye bhi time nahi mil raha aaj kal .?
    I have all my sympathies with you.

    By the way it is very good to remain busy but
    some time should be kept aside for friends.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    The BJP worshipers are very keen that their ‘beloved’ party remains the B-team of the Congress.

    Today is May 01. Jai Maharashtra.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Jai Maharashtra and Happy Labour Day too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am also a Mumbai wasi now.
    Jai Maharashtra to all of you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP’s claim to glory was their effort to match in “60 months” what others could have done in “60 years”.

    They always rushed.

    Just the goals were always so misplaced, energy misdirected !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Correct me if I am wrong, what you mean to say is that
    BJP tried to make same amount of money in 60 months which congress made in 60 years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First 13 day BJP / NDA rule :::::

    Rs. 1300 crore contract to Ruias, signed, sealed and delivered.

    Discount the Saturdays and Sundays in those 13 days ! Also discount the settling time for the new ministries.

    BJP do things with amazing speed. Ask Praveen Mahajan. He still wonders how could his humble school teacher brother become so rich, so quick !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    As usual you have replied like a typical
    politician. Was NDA in their 60 months
    of rule able to make same amount of
    money which Congress made in 60 years ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Didn’t you see how quickly the chintan baithaks of BJP moved to 5 star hotels with the help of the Tentwallas !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wrong. Not 5 star, but 5-star deluxe hotels.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    It seemed to work like this.

    First let me give you an example at a state level. The SS-BJP government in 1995 until 1999, made hay, because they had a nagging doubt that it would be their only chance (how right they have been proved so far). The loot started from day one with Enron’s Rebecca Marks making a ‘courtesy’ call on Bal Thakre and the rest as they say is history. There was no looking back.

    Similarly, perhaps the BJP thought that was the only chance (how right they have been so far), so make hay, while the sun shines and they did.

    I repeat ‘congress ho yaa BJP dono ek hi khet ki mooli hai.n’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A larger part of retaining power involves managing different interests as well. Sometimes, I do strongly feel that Congress should just go ahead with mid-term polls. That would do some internal cleansing for it and show the opposition its ill-preparedness too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress is like an aircraft carrier, BJP a frigate.

    Congress is relatively slow to move.

  • Anonymous

    Good morning gentlemen.

    Same comment, different assessment.

    Man looks at woman from behind and say ‘ what an *** ‘

    Whereas a woman looks at a man’s face and say ‘ what an *** ‘

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    What a comment !!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I. don’t mind having such an ***-istant

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s quite a low level catch !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you all by any chance discussing Animal Husbandry?

    Anonymous Reply:

    it is not catch, it is crotch.

  • Ravi

    Pay back time

    Shenoy is absent लगता है थपड बर्डी ज़ोरों से लगा होगा

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mujhe thappad maarne wale abhi tak paida nahin huye hain.

    Least of all terrorist scums like you and your other sleeper cells.

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    Ravi Reply:

    ज़ोरदार आवाज़ भी आई थी और आप की गाल पे निशान भी है.

    थप्र्ड ही लगा होगा.

    A deserved slap for a RSS scum bag and a Saffron Terrorist like you

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are in no position to do that from your gutter.

    What you heard must be fello jihadi engrich farting.

    Ravi Reply:

    It could be in your face though. I bet you enjoyed the stench because you are used to it being thrown at you.

  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy
    you said :

    It is only the good companies that can think of innovative ways of “extracting mud” by dirt cheap ways.

    ———————————–

    I used to sculpt statues out of “mud” in school that fellow students worshipped with folded hands.

    You extract mud to do something.

    I always turned mud to something likable, perhaps even worshippable.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is a question of a mindset.

    Rubbish in, rubbish out for some.

    For others, rubbish in, valuable out.

    We all know who those some are and who others are, going by the posts here. They show.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    But on this blog, you are no different from engrich.

    May I remind you that you once expelled the same engrich, who, as Ram Autar and Tejender, for his violent posts denigrating the same gods you once, perhaps in your ignorance or blind devotion, sculpted out of mud.

    And, more importantly, you have never explained the reason for joining forces and doing wild salsas with these anti-national scums.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Lets us also not forget that YOU blackmailed Vinod Ji on Ram Autar issue.

    You were the leader of a campaign to expell Ram Autar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It no doubt boosts my ego that I could influence the mighty Vinod Sharma to do my bidding.

    Ravi Reply:

    Why he did, no one knows.

    But you did the bidding because you are a fascist.

    The proof of the pudding is that Ram Autar is still free to post here what he likes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your brilliant wisdom ( that so many here blindly fallen in love ) speaks.

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  • Anonymous

    PathakG wrote

    ….” But I can never forgive a man who comes in with a smile but creates division in my house. I hate such a man irrespective of his brilliant smile or his friendly and sophisticated demeanor. I recognise such men from a great distance “
    As I read that comment , I wondered who else can be faulted more for such divisive politics other than the party which governed this country the longest and the family which runs it.? …Who created Bhindranwale and for what purpose ? What were the consequences of creating Bhindranwale …and what price did the country pay for that conspiracy ? Who launched the election campaign by laying the foundation stone of the Ram Mandir … and who at the same time reversed the Shah Bano Judgment of the Supreme Court ? Which party spoke with a forked tongue on the Batla House Encounter ? Which party keeps quite when Christian Evangelists are made to leave the Kashmir valley ? But sings a different story in the Adivasi areas of Orissa , Gujarat and elsewhere . The youth icon of which party claims to be a Brahmin ( self-styled of-course ) and who introduced Sam Pitroda as a Backward from the Vishvakarma caste during its election campaign in UP.
    Can the country trust that such a party shall unify the country ? And the bizzare explanation on why the NDA went in for nucleur explosions read somewhat like “ Chandrakanta” , a story full of Tilasm ,intrigue , voodoo..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In today’s newspaper there was a story about AlQuida sending “encrypted plans” in porn movies. On this blog itself, when such probability was discussed it sounded like “Chandrakanta story” to some. The uninitiated ones wrote many poems and danced with fun slogans about the porn movies found with terrorists.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Even I saw some people dancing and singing when BJP MLAs
    were caught watching porn.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe the BJP MLA’s thought if terrorists could find time for porn why not our kind of politicians !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    And a Congress leader acted in a porn movie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Really good!!

    All the COngressis enoyed the feeble performance but will never comment ! :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just make sure you don’t act. Always switch up the light in your room before the act.

    And never let people around you see the nigh vision goggles you got from Taiwan. Keep it locked in a safe place.

    [ And pay the drivers on time. Just jokes from the boss will not fill up their paapi pet, though they do wonders pet ke neeche... ]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Now direct attack on me.
    Bhai mere itkna gussa sehat ke liye
    achcha nahin hota.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You call this attack ???

    Some simple friendly advices that can save you blushes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Pathakji has given below a sane advice, born out of years of experience, particularly about the need to switch the lights off.

    This is also, incidentally, the advice Chetan Bhagat gave Abhishek Manu Zingvi: “if only he had switched off the lights!”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Also flew kites in an empty sky.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hey ! That’s viral catching up !!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,
    Saw your posting about Nuclear tests last night.
    IMO, a more plausible explanation is – Atalji felt compelled to assert a strong center and tried to signal as much by conducting tests. The challenges were not just from the coalition partners, credibility was likely at stake as well. Jaya may have been a smaller part of the overall scenario.
    p.s. : As an aside, the technology for encoding information inside images has been around for couple of years. Nothing new about it.
    That it was made metaphorically out to be a Bollywood “ishtyle” grand finale song – with jehadis jumping and dancing on the tunes of porn – is shallowness (or “Chillargiri” as we mumbaikars call it) typical of the fundoos.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    We all knew BJP would go for a Nuclear Test even before they came to power. That longing and ambition was always evident in BJP.

    I was discussing the “rushing up the preparation” to checkmate a certain political situation.

    Though it was an overkill for the purpose, then BJP was never known for its subtlety.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Was there only half-hearted desire when Indira Gandhi exploded the bomb in 1974?

    Mulayam Singh is on record that his ministry had almost exploded the bomb. Therefore the preparations were, in fact, all in place for the political leadership to give the signal to the scientists and engineers.

    The rest is all speculation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    the nuclear bomb has been with us for decades. When Indira Gandhi exploded a “device”, it was no different from a bomb, except that she preferred to call it a device.

    Narasimha Rao tried to do Pokhran II but was arm-twisted by the US, who had already been sounded by CIA agents inside the congress government.

    Deve Gowda and Mulayam Singh too are on record saying “we almost exploded a bomb”, but we were prevented from doing it.

    Which was why Vajapayee had to do a lot of strewing red herrings on the nuclear path to put the CIA’s satellites off the scent.

    AND PAKISTAN WAS ALWAYS HAVING NUCLEAR BOMBS IN ITS BASEMENT, HAVING BEEN TESTED IN CHINA CENTURIES EARLIER.

    Therefore, it is the folly of the 20th century to say that because we exploded our nuclear bomb, Pakistan was compelled to assemble its own bomb and become a nuclear power.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Pakistan’s subsequent explosion is a side story to what we are debating here – the timing of explosion and events leading to it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    if you are not aware of it, here side stories often become main topics. This blog is not uni-dimensional. And here is a piece of advice: don’t get stuck with a single issue; allow side stories too to develop.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If Pakistan could assemble its own bomb in 7 days of Vajpayee exploding a bomb, then full marks to Pakistan and Zero marks to Vajpayee not having visualised it.

    Vajpayee and NDA helped Pakistan become a declared Nuclear State and made India lose the supremacy of the conventional weapon over her neighbour.

    Period.

    -

    [ BTW, your CENTURIES EARLIER expression sounds like Ravi's 5000 dalit rapes. Either both of them are figurative or just literal. Hope you don't forget this when you taunt him]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    NDA helped Pakistan to become a declared
    nuclear state but Pakistan went little further
    ahead and has become declared terrorist
    state.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Carefully observe Pakistan and BJP.

    You will find many similarities.

    Anonymous Reply:

    samajh ne wale samajh gaye hai.n

    Anonymous Reply:

    And if you carefully observe North Korea, Cuba, Pakistan and the servants of the “FAMILY” in India, too, you will observe a lot of striking similarities. (and that includes the some servants on this blog too).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let’s get the quadratic equation right.

    ==============

    1) Congress = North Korea.

    2) BJP = Pakistan.

    ==============

    Gentlemen ! The counter is now open for the bets !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    By this token, nobody should use figure of speech on your blog!

    Ravi’s 5000 rapes is a real figure, according to him, doubly coinfirmed by his high priestess of Indian history, Wendy something.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    The technology to make nuclear bomb in Pakistan is
    so good that within a week of explosion by India,
    Pakistan made the bomb and exploded.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    My guess is – Pakistani rulers used Indian tests for their own domestic consumption. Remember, despite all these tets – both sides showed enough restraint in not using the “N” word during Kargil conflict. That hints at some understanding on both sides of border about the mutual damage it could inflict with the sub-text being that neither side was serious about using “N”muscle in the conflict and the earlier tests were just that – show of strength.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    What I was trying to say that Pakistan
    was already a Nuclear state only they
    had not tested on their soil. It is not correct to say that Pakistan went nuclear because NDA – not India –
    tested their nuclear bomb.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,
    Pakistan was already nuclear – in a un-declared way. With neighbouring India conducting the tests they too had show “mardaangi” publicly. Remember , the Pakistani rulers too were faced with lot domestic challenges and were running through credibility crisis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    This is what I am also saying that Pakistan was a nuclear state, but our friend
    Pathak is claiming that had NDA not tested then Pakistan would not have
    become a nuclear state. I remember the head lines around the world of those
    times. INDIA TESTS NUCLEAR BOMB. Not a single news agency said that
    NDA tests nuclear bomb.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Indira Gandhi had shown her mardaangi in 1974 itself!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Here “mardaangi” was used in derogatory sense. Nowhere related to what Indira Gandhi did in 1974.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh, I am sorry, the comic remark went above your head.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And when India conducted Operation Brasstack, Pakistan sent a message that if the Indian army comes anywhere near its border, it wouldn’t hesitate to use the nuclear option.

    Was it a bluff? Was it empty bravado?

    Why then did Rajiv Gandhi back-track?

    Ravi Reply:

    CENTURIES EARLIER.

    How many centuries? Will it be 5000 by any chance?

    Anonymous Reply:

    what about the porn clips shot by a driver?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All the congress leaders watch those in their spare time.

    Ravi Reply:

    Whilst BJP legislators will see them in the assembly

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Watching pron in assembly is a crime and
    doing it in a court premises is a very noble
    cause.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hate to point out. But still…..

    The personal lawyer chamber is not same as the state legislative assembly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 COngress lawyers like Gandhi, Patel, Rajaji, Nehru will canel your congress membership from heaven :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    The big stroy was judgeship being offered thru yaun shoshan.

    Ravi Reply:

    Men have been known to offer the world, if they fancy the chance of getting their leg over.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    There is no problem if a man offers the world to a lady for the service rendered if
    the world belongs to him. He has no right to offer which does not belong to him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As MOhan has explained, the Govenemnt of India is NOt Manu ZIngvi’s persoal jaidad.

    Furtheron, even pvt vcompanies which hire after a couch test are punished. The judgeship is a seniour post for which sexual yaun shoashan was done.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Offering judgeship inside the lawyer’s chamber is not the same as the SC making the appointment.

    Similarly, Manu Zingvi doing what he did to the hapless lady, by exploiting her “weakness (or was it her strength?) is not the same as watching porn on mobile by theMLAs inside the assembly.

    Because, assembly is sacred. Supreme Court is NOT.

    Ravi Reply:

    One is a man of action and the others are creepy voyeurs

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Whatever you have mentioned in your post has been told many times but
    some people will always lay the blame on BJP for all of the problems
    of our country. So what if Congress ruled for more then 60 years the mistakes
    they made were because of RSS and BJP. The six years rule by NDA has
    been an opportunity for these people to put all the blame of recent scams on them. The future problems will also be blamed on BJP because in their six
    years rule they created such an environment that poor bechari Congress had no choice but follow the path of looting the country.
    I have high hopes that if in 2014 we all together give another chance to
    Sonia Mata, RahulG, then I am sure they along with their chamchas will leave no stone unturned to completely loot our country and will bring us to such
    level that we will be left with no choice but to carry a begging bowl with us
    all the time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whatever gave you the idea?

    I think the point being made is that corruption and shenanigans are not party specific and are universal. The degree depends upon the how much opportunities a party has had. You may envy the Congress, if you like.

    There are bad apples right across the political spectrum. If one party has ruled for more years than the others, it only shows that corruption is generally not an issue. We all know, ’sab ek hi khet ki mooli hai.n’.

    The problem with the BJP has always been trying to occupy the high moral ground, remain in denial of the murk in its own backyard and give moral science lectures to the rest of the world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Moral science lectures? This reminds me of someone who
    had said to a person in his seventies few months back ” TUM sar se paon tak bhrashtachar se lipt ho “.
    And just few days back I heard someone saying ” yahi chal,
    charitra aur chehra hai inka.”

    Anonymous Reply:

    A real knock out punch ! I dont know why people cannot see the plain loot by COngressis. I hope they sing a song by Mukesh

    Chashma uttaro
    phir dekho yaaron

    Congress wahi hai
    Looteron ki rani !

    Anonymous Reply:

    parda hata de
    mukhda dikha de
    tu meri man ka
    dukhda mitha de

    Anonymous Reply:

    And just few days back I heard someone saying ” yahi chal, charitra aur chehra hai inka.”

    to a BJP man?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    The latest porn star had used these words for BJP when some MLAs of that party
    were caught watching porn.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    when the congress party refers to two prime ministers who became shaheed, it is always invoked as instances of the supreme sacrifices these PMs performed in the service of the mother land.

    The reasons why they had to be assassinated are never even hinted at.

    Indira Gandhi was eliminated because she reared a deadly viper called Bhinderanwale in her garden and fed the viper with milk, thinking that it would only bite the Longowals, Badals etc. The point is that those who sow terror, become victims of their own creation.

    Rajiv Gandhi too helped train the LTTE and became its celebrated victim.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “The point is that those who sow terror, become victims of their own creation.”
    On a related Note – what are VHPs and Bajrang Dals up to these days ? What are they planning against those who nurtured them ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great post Praveen.

    A lot of spin for sustaining lies is being created even by intelligent people.

    I’ll tell you the root cause of the problem. Some people’s blind love for

    a) White skin: In case the maalik and malkin of the COngress would have been of dark skin say like Bangaru Laxman, or semi dark skin like me– the same spin doctors would have probably disappeared :)

    By the way, let me clarify here that I find dark skin enchanting and find the dusky beauties very very sultry.

    The Goras, especially the Brits who come to meet me in India are always intrigued by the skin of Indian girls ! But Indians will die for white skin.

    b)Good imported English: The UPA has a list of people who speak Stephens.oxford and harvard English. Sibal, Chidambaram, Mani AIyar,Manu zingivi (ex oxford now extinct) , Rahul G (degree unknown)/

    Channel people– Prannoy, Barkha, Sagarika, Rajdeep, etc follow the same colleges and English.

    The cream joke was when Mani Silence r fought with Ajay Makan saying that you are an idiot as your college (Hansraj) cannot teach you the English I speak.. :)

    c) The dangling of positions, favours and contracts. The COngress has broken all records in corrupting the journos. The Radiia Tapes is the Complete story !!!!!

    It is a stroy stranger than fiction. SOmeday I will surely write a film on this. How decent journos got corrupted……..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shrimathi Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi resurrected the “divide and rule” of the British. She cared sh– about democracy.

    As the Congress President, she was instrumental in dismissing the democratically elected Communist govt of Kerala (the firstever “election” communist party ever won in the world) in 1959. Her anti democracy, anti state leaders continued unabated; culminating in emergency 15 years later.

    She was the first one to recognize vote banks, defining strategies to keep muslims always backward. She was the first one to politicize bureaucracy, and to create widespread corruption, because money for elections came from bureaucrat collection in the absence of land/mining/business “mafia” or opportunities in those days.

    Now to be fair, she never expressed a desire to be a minister or prime minister. It was always others, the naukars in waiting, who made her to take it. And once she got the levers of power, she used it for personal preservation at any cost, with scant regard for democracy (whereas her father put democracy at the highest pedal) – With all her problems, I still do not believe she was financially corrupt, in the sense for personal enrichment, although she may have looked the other side when Sanjay was ruling Delhi as a king.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Was Mrs. Indira Gandhi not fiinancially corrupt? Do you remember Nagarwala case?
    Nagarwala died of heart attack in prison and the investigating officer was killed in a car
    accident. Case close.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Yes, I remember the SBI/Nagarwalla case (and the deaths of all connected peoplel!)

    But my reading is that it was her “election collection” scheme, rather than for personal amassing.

    She introduced “money” in politics – buying votes, paying off ….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    This election collection money from 60 Lakhs has reached the level Rs 600 crores
    or may be Rs. 6000 crores or does this figure of Rs 6000 crores also looks small?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, it is big big now. Elections are expensive with TV commercials (during Smt Gandhi time there were no TV!), “volunteers” needing the appropriate daily wages (it is 500-600Rs a day in Kerala) etc…
    They should change the election financing rules; have anybody contribute, but make trhe contribution public and transparent; that way some of this corruption will diminish

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    The day is not far when these political parties will send their goondas to our homes to
    collect election money.

  • Anonymous

    Kuch zyada hi tutu mein mein on BJP and congress ho raha hai. I am taking
    a break for sometime. Meanwhile read this.

    What is marriage ?

    Marriage is the 6th sense of humans that destroys all the five senses
    and makes the man Nonsense.
    —-

    Sukhi vivah jeevan ka Raaz.

    Khud ko sher samjho aur biwi ko Shero wali mata.

    Jai mata di.

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    Ravi Reply:

    ऐसा करो गे तो जागरण हो जाये गा

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  • Anonymous

    Rightly put Ramesh.

    I wish you visited this space more often and expressed your views on a number of issues that we discuss here.

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  • Anonymous

    Fissures within NDA over presidential candidates

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Fissures-within-NDA-over-presidential-candidates/articleshow/12948902.cms

    The Bhartiya Janta Party’s (BJP) decision to not support the Congress party candidates for the upcoming presidential elections seems to have led to fissures within the National Democratic Alliance (NDA). This may be politically advantageous for the Congress party.

    Sources said that the BJP’s most important ally, Janta Dal-United, was not going to support the saffron party’s decision.

    JD(U) leaders seemed upset with the “unilateral” decision taken by the BJP. “If they can decide unilaterally, we can do the same and not go with them,” said a JD (U) leader. National president Sharad Yadav is expected to confirm the same in a media briefing later today.

    ————-

    PathakG

    You are right, what others decide in 1 week, the BJP decides in 1 day (same as 60 years and 60 months). What is the hurry?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What’s the big deal here?

    It’s one of the typical Congress sponsored media spin story. BJP expressed its views and the JD(U) has its own opinion on the presidential candidate. Sushma Swaraj didn’t say that the decision not to support Ansari or Pranab da was a NDA decision.

    I can see the “neutral” Congressis finding some reasons to smile even where none exist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    by the way, the JDU. for all its bravado, counts for next to nothing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely, it hasn’t got a presence outside Bihar and within the state it can’t be sure to return to power without an alliance with BJP.

    We have an alliance of equals in the state and not like the one between Mamta and Congress in WB.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No big deal, if you do not see it.

    Perhaps true, the Congress sponsored media gave it a spin.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————
    ~~~~ THE MOVEMENT AGAINST NAUKERCY IS GROWING!!! ~~~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    With more and more people voicing their intelligent opinions on how the COngress and the royal families have created a mayajaal for sycophants who create spin to justify Indians becoming naukers of the Gandhi parivaar, I think we are moving towards a revolution.

    In this very blog itself, in two days, voices from all over the globe struck a powerful chord

    a) Pankaj from US in his humourous, meaning full way made fun of the domestic servants of the Gandhi parivaar

    b) Benoy Hegde gave a meaningfull exposition on how the Americans became democratic and saved themselves from the curse of family slavery.

    c) Gopi from kerala has pointed out that it is raining naukars everywhere on all powerfull positions. Mind you it is selfish Naukars. NOT NAUKARS TO THE NATION LIKE THE ARMY. But naukers to the Maalik and Chotta baba for loot

    d) MOhan’s voice from Dubai, jokingly but proudly and as always memorable has spun the domestic servants into confusion, making them question their slavery

    e) Shenoy from Bangalore gave us Lord Byron like poetry ont he plight of the slaves of selfishness

    f) Me a small guy from Delhi doing a small bit to make Indians mentally free

    SO the whole world of Indians and NRI’s is wants us to join US, UK, France, Australia, Canada !!! VIva freedom !!

    To all the nauker s and domestic servants who want India to follow NOth Korea adn cuba and Pakistan. Free your minds!!! Forget the position and money you will get by pushing India on to naukercy. Forget your spin……

    Just look at the tiranga and say

    Aaiee mere watan ke logon..
    Zara aankh mein bhar lo paani…

    I am sure the Indian in you will revolt against naukercy ….

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  • Anonymous

    Al-Qaeda has little support in Muslim world: poll

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/alqaeda-has-little-support-in-muslim-world-poll/943904/

    A year after Osama bin Laden was killed by US Special Forces in Pakistan, his terrorist outfit al-Qaeda has little support in the Muslim world, a poll has said.

    Majority of people in Muslim nations like Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey and Lebanon expressed negative views about this terrorist network, according to a poll conducted in these countries between March 19 and April 13 by Pew Research Center’s Global Attitudes Project.

    In Pakistan, where Osama bin Laden was killed by US Navy Seals, 13 per cent of Muslims hold a favorable view of al-Qaeda, 55 per cent an unfavorable view, and roughly three-in-ten (31 per cent) offer no opinion.

    Support for the organisation is in the single digits among Turkish and Lebanese Muslims. In Jordan, just 15 per cent express a positive opinion, essentially unchanged from last year, but down significantly from 34 per cent in 2010. Al-Qaeda receives its highest ratings in Egypt, where 21 per cent hold a favorable and 71 per cent an unfavorable opinion, the poll said yesterday.

    ——

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well, they are all n kerala. SIMI camps up and running.. Muslim League, that had never faced any “terrorist connection” has been under attack from both within its own ranks and outside about Jehadi elements such as NDF/SDPI within the party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “well, they are all n kerala.”
    Did some Mallu Muslim steal your lunch box or something ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wot, no VHP/BD goons around to take on the goons from the other side of the ‘religious’ divide? ‘Darr gaye kyaa’?

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  • Anonymous

    PathakG ji, Mohan, Gopi, Vijay Kumar,

    Lat night Pathakji said, rather grandiloquently, “I can ignore a person who steals money from my house. But I can never forgive a man who comes in with a smile but creates division in my house. I hate such a man irrespective of his brilliant smile or his friendly and sophisticated demeanor. I recognise such men from a great distance.”

    Pathakji, is this reference to some recent painful experience?

    I can only think of one analogy:

    Just a few months back, a thief came to your house in khadi jubba and a Krushchev topi, and with a smile on his face. The smile, no doubt was brilliant, his demeanor sophisticated,and tehzeeb friendly in the extreme, level of confidence great.

    He had in his kurta pocket a CD, which he assured, in an assured manner that the CD contains explosive matter, 1000% suchch etc., etc.

    He wanted you to do a tehelka on your paper. You believed him, because, despite his cash-for-votes scam, he was utterly believable and you believed him utterly and totally.

    The rest is a saga of Hiroshima proportions, at least for your personal integrity and professional standing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Bad retreat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Retreat as such is not bad, it is part of war strategies.
    Retreating with the tail between the legs as some of you did when the Manu Zingvi sexcapade hit the net is bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So, you agree “name calling” is your strategy for retreat ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not for you. I always call you Mahesh.

    But, the fakes are always fakes. Sometimes Prabhat, sometimes Prahlad, and some other times Sanjay and now Pathakji.

    And coming to the jihadis, here too one of them is sometimes a Hindu, sometimes a mona Sikh, other times just a gutter rat in London.

    About the erstwhile Ram Autar, ………….

    Ravi Reply:

    Atleast you are consistantly a Saffron Terrorist and a lable manufacturer.

    Ravi Reply:

    A Total Obfuscation of a powerful थपड delivered with grace by Pankaj.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    great!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “But I can never forgive a man who comes in with a smile but creates division in my house.”

    -

    Do you see a faint reflection of yourself in that man ?
    Look into a mirror, you will see a clear image of that man.

    [ You have been told explicitly many times. Perhaps you are looking for a cruder expression - you are politely courted considering your seniority, but never forgiven or forgotten for being a viciously divisive man that you really are. ]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress party and its leaders (notably the “founding” patron Shrimathi Indira Gandhi) were/are the most divisive in India

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t remember any of your previous avatars (Prabhat, Prahlad or even Sanjay) telling me that I am “courted” by somebody or that I am NEVER forgiven (what a weird, arrogant expression!) for being a viciously divisive man that I really am.

    When did you “explicitly” tell me this, Pathakji? WIll you jog your memory please? Or is it playing tricks with your writing? Any proof of my being divisive, or just my calling Manu Zingvi a sexist pig enough?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MANY CENTURIES AGO, you have been told many [ perhaps 5000] times.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abey Pathak,

    Tu itna sayana hai to baar baar apni ID badal badal ke kyon aata hai?

    Jab G…d phatne lagti hai to, blog se gaayab ho jata hai aur phir nayi ID leke ghus jata hai. Pehle ghar ja kar apni shakal sheeshe mein dekh, pura dalaal lagta hai.
    ————-

    I have been reading through your posts for past few days and thought you deserved something on these lines to get the message across.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    sayana launda,

    Lagta hai abhi abhi naya baal neekla hai !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Defence attorney ho to aisa – civility be damned, like guru, like chelaa – it cannot be any other way, can it?

    Abuse, taunts, label pasting (*) – the tools of the Dirty Tricks Department.

    * add Lies,Untruths, Falsehoods and Innuendos a la RSS..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar

    It’s ok. At this moment he finds himself inadequate in expressing his anger creatively. Few years down the line he will get his lines right.Relax.

    Anonymous Reply:

    clunky lad.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ha ha ha

    like guru, like chelaa … doesn’t qualify as either abuse, taunt or label pasting?

    No explanations needed from the ….

    Anonymous Reply:

    PathakG is right –

    You are a green horn. Cannot comprehend a simple sentence. Ask your Guru or your fellow saathidars (who must be squirming at your …., but will not come forward in order not to embarrass you in public here) to explain by private communications.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks… even if I don’t understand a sentence, I still managed to get the message across to the Pathak guy who was thinking himself to be morally superior than the rest here.

    There is no private communication in a public space – everyone can butt in if they see a problem with the statements made. You need to allow me the same liberty that you have yourself taken to chip in between a “private” communication between me and Pathak, uncle.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was appalled at the tone and the language you used, otherwise I would not have bothered. You take on anyone you like, but let us be civil about it (Sorry, if I am sounding preachy) – one abuser (the resident ‘head(less) priest) on this blog is one too many.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK, I am trying to digest the point that as long as you abuse/taunt in sophisticated English, it is acceptable but the vernacular language should only be used in shayaris.

    Got you point though. Trust me, I don’t mind being pointed out by someone senior/elder. The reaction was a one-off thing and won’t be repeated.

    Peace!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good. Try again using different language, but maintain the same level of anger.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wonderful.

    If you really wish to ht below the belt or give a KO punch, do it in sophisticated language (English or Hindi does not matter) and see the recipient squirm. OTOH, if you say it crudely – the spotlight shifts on you. Sorry, once again if sound preachy. Peace.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    good that you have put this congressi troll in his place. At the slightest hint of things not going his way, he would run to another fake Ravi and even to engrich!

    And when it comes to abuse, he can and will be the worst abuser on this blog. The rest of the times, he is sanctimonious about others being abusive!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    luckily, he didn’t use the “clunky lad” thing on you, because then he would have exposed himself as ………..

  • Anonymous

    Some bloggers have tried to defend the ******** of manu singhvi with words such as” it is action not voyeurism”(reference to karnataka assembly),assembly is a holier place than a lawyer’sprivate chamber.
    THIS IS CLASSICAL HINDU, hypocrite to the bone , perhaps the sympathy is understable, a fellow traveller.
    THIS IS WHERE IT IS DIFFERENT IN ANGLOSAXON WORLD.
    Needless to say , anglosaxons are not particularly sex starved , if anything they all exhibt signs of overdose.
    BUT ANGLOSAXON WORLD is a also a world of FIXED RULES.
    Once in a while i visit the health clubs, it is a bit embarrasing for you may bump into a patient you have operated. So I am planning to create a steam room next to my small jym.In the health clubs there are large jacuzzi baths. Now women and men sit in a circular row inside the bath. okay you wouldn’t look at fat middle aged perimenopausal women, but there are plenty WELL ENDOWED SWEET TWENTIES in BIKINIS, and the CROWNING GLORY is there exposed for most of its part.
    NOW YOU WILL NEVER EVER SEE ANY ONE LEERING AT THESE BEAUTIES.
    In fact MEN can only enter the steam room in a BOXER SHORT and not UNDIES , for DHARMENDRA in MERA NAAM JOKER type bulge being advertised is not allowed.The same during a NEW YEARS PARTY in the hospital , you can dance BUT NO HANKY HANKY ,an african guy got carried away and had to be told , it just dance , no misdemaenours
    The point is MANU SINGHVI IS MARRIED WITH TWO BOYS 27 AND 24, and if he had taken her to a hotel and “done it ” , then it was understable THOUGH THE” SEX FOR FAVOUR” angle remains. IT was SO CRUDE , A MIDDLEMAN bringing in BHET(gift) , imagine national security implication.
    No wonder India is becoming the rape centre of universe

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Welcome back.
    The issue is not him getting a BJ, though abhorrent for a “family man”, especially one who made a big issue of a few politicos looking at porno pictures .

    The issue is his promising judgeship in return. Means supreme court judgeships can be bought. .

    And to me the even worse issue is the total silence by the media; even by the so called firebrands such as Manu Joseph (proves that he is now in the money) .

    Years ago US Congress initiated impeachment proceedings against President Clinton on a BJ he received from Monica Lwensky

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Just look at the difference between Clinton and our porn star. Clinton did not do any
    favour for Monica but our minister is so kind hearted that he offered the lady judgeship.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi and MOhan

    I think the NDA and opposition has been too kind to the COngress on this. When Vajpayee let of SOnia and two children on Bofors, out of pity, little was he to know that the gesture would not be appreciated but would be made fun of. In fact a terrific spin is on teh way that the BJP is responsible for the Bofors scam and Amar SIngh Dahla is on the job.

    Jailtey might have been weighed by his friendship with Manu and LM SInghvi, and so has let the opportunity go. But the COngress will sit low now and then hit back soon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Two points here.
    First – the trading of sex for favour. Contrary to the tone and tenor of exchange I don’t really see anybody defending that here.
    Second – what if it were not sex that was traded ? Think again – what is visible and spectacular is Sex, what is hidden and un-stated is the power exerted by somebody higher up in party over the state machinery. This is where the whole thing gets complex. Any political party – anywhere in the world – that has mandate from the electorate does wield influence over the state machinery. It is inevitable as they are elected with certain policy promises on the election agenda. Somewhere , perhaps because the political class has been more inclined towards power than responsibility do we see a breach of that thin line happening here. In that sense Congress is hardly the only one indulging in it.

    p.s. : Movie recommendation – “Smoke” movie is beautiful. Especially the “Auggie Wren’s christmas story” episode.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    Thanks for the tip on sleep deprivation.

    But I am getting sleep deprived by your logic also. When the issue is Manu Singhvi bartering government property and jobs for sex, it should be treated as exploitaion and the government should resign. You are trying to get other issues into this to say that the Congress is not the only one…

    SO we should let the COngress of because it is not the only one. Arre baba why use Manu SInghvi’s GHagra to obfuscate and protect the COngress…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,
    Bad sleep results in worse reading. It is pretty much evident from your posting that you hardly bothered to read my posting.
    Next time be specific and we can discuss based on the merit of your posting.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx for telling me. :) The specific issue is the MOnu BJ for sellign a government post.

    Your reply has the NDA, the kitchen sink, the F1 rally… but nothing on specific punishments. WIsh you good sleep to think about this…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised you are saying this. AFAIK, the person is stripped of his political post.
    p.s. : You appear quite obsessed with BJ – jealous ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    But you seem to be approving of it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this an attempt at enrolling me in your “Singhvi BJ fan club” ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh always deals with issues directly, you know. You have already sampled his directness.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not so fast, Mahesh.

    “any political party, anywhere in the world….does wield influence in the state machinery”… That is not true. Neither democratic party nor republican party has any influence in the state machinery here in US.
    A system of primaries, ‘unlimited” powers of individual senators, three equal branches of govt etc have made the system reasonably robust, reasonably free from corruption.

    ie Republican party does not decide that Romney is their candidate, it is for Romney to fight against Gingrichs and Santorums and win the delegates.

    Party in that sense is a set of ideas, vision. – which makes a lot of sense

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,
    Nice try at side-stepping.
    Do we realize “Influence on state machinery” does include effecting policy changes ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    why is it that you always find people “side-stepping” when you deal with them?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    Allow Indian politicians to rule US for few months than see the fun. Picture of
    whole US will change in no time. You would have also heard this very old joke,
    A Japanese minister met Lalu Prasad and told him that if Bihar was given to Japan,
    in five years Bihar will become Tokyo. Lalu told him ‘ give me Japan and I promise
    you in 5 months it will become Bihar ‘

    Anonymous Reply:

    US politicans appear fairly competent at this point in ******** up things.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    I was under the impression the all the countries have their own breed of politicians,
    but it seems that breed of politicians all around the world is same. They all are
    experts in ******** up the things.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me ask you again. Would that breed include Modi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Breach of thin line ? I am surprised that that line is visible to you. This line was breached
    and was completely wiped out long time ago. And yes, all the political parties are culprit
    in this case.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan ,
    Decision making does involve granting of powers. Somewhere this power becomes means for gains (either directly of indirectly for those are in power or associated with it). This is the “thin line” I am talking about. Actuallly, it is lot more complicated – just simplifying for the sake of discussion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    I don’t mind confessing: I love you.

    In fact, my love has only multiplied several times in the last two days.

    Therefore, Henceforth, I will avoid mentioning about euthanasia.

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  • Anonymous

    And in these last two years, he has shown that he is non-anything good.

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  • Anonymous

    Astonishing things happen these days. We all read in the newspapers about Harin Rawal , Addl. Solicitor General to the Govt of India appearing on its behalf before the Supreme Court in the case filed by Italy against seizure of its ship and detention of its Marines. by Kerala Govt. Rawal told the Court that Kerala Police did not have any jurisdiction to detail the Marines or the ship. The country was aghast. Kerala Govt was shocked.
    The next day Rawal explained this was his “personal” opinion. This was something unheard of . How can an Advocate and an ASG express personal opinion which ran contrary to the Client’s Brief. But more surprising no action was taken against Rawal and he continues in his position. Even if an advocate appearing for a private client had conducted himself like this , would have been liable for disciplinary action by the Bar Council of India.
    Even Foreign Minister expressed his ignorance on the matter.But why did Rawal do this? Did he get his instruction from someone powerful enough but not part of the official govt mechanism? Wsa it other concerned Ministers and Officials were not in the loop…. Strange No … ever heard of such things happening in the past ? …I don’t think so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    I had read few days back about the law pertaining to this case. The international law
    says that if the crime is committed in international waters the alleged killers
    can be tried in the country of the victims.
    It will be really sad if the killers are allowed to get away.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And our foreign minister, Krishna, who boasts of his Fullbright scholarship in law, said, “I don’t know anything about anything concerning Italy. Once I read a paper about spain in the UN, when I was supposed to read one on India, but that is all about my knowledge of Europe. Therefore, please DO NOT come to me for my views”

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  • Anonymous

    Comments by members of UPA on Singhvi episode.

    Digvijay : Yeh RSS ki saazish hai.
    Salman Khursheed: My wife who recently converted and is a staunch mulim told
    me that Yeh Islam mein haram hai.
    ND Tiwari : Good job, he has perfected the lessons I taught him.
    Raja : Is this service available in jail, you never know I may have to go there again.
    Kalmadi : He should have told me during CWG games, I would have provided him foreigners.
    And above all our Brahmin Yuvraj Rahul Gandhi, his comment will also give us a clue
    to why he is not yet married. He said ‘ I wish I was on that lady’s place ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If this is original… MOhan you are my dialogue writer for “Jaane bhi do yaaron” part 2 !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Though all my jokes are not original but this was my dimaag ki upaj.

    Just now also heard Zakir Naik on peace TV
    he said ‘ This is mentioned in Kamsutra page no 53 chapter no 5 line 6.
    However, the punishment for such heinous crime in the most pure and most peaceful
    religion in the world is stone to death. Singhvi, the lady and the driver should
    be stoned till they die.’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you really jmeaning that Zakir naik said it? The Congress and even Singhiv have always been supportive of Zakir Naik…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Yeh bhi mere dimag ki upaj hai.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha

    Anonymous Reply:

    I could almost see Digviajy singh give a statement in support of Zakirji…

  • Anonymous

    Who should be the next President? Future Presidents?

    Gone are the days of national hero PMs such as Pandit Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Vajpayee. Future PMs will be regional leaders (even if from national parties) who can build coalitions. Hence it is important that political parties do not settle for worn out discarded politicians (or naukars as Vijay Kumar puts it); also that it should not be a competition, but consensus.

    Sonia Gandhi can preserve and protect the legacy of her family by persuading and nominating one of the many greats we have – Premji, Narayan Murthy, Nilkeni, Sridharan, Kiran Bedi, Justice Khan, Justice Hegde, Amitabh Bachan (yes, he can be a great President), Dr MMS (heheheh — he still is respected all across; unbelievable that he is a teflon)..

    BJP/NDA will not be excused if they oppose a nationally respected candidate such as Sridharan or Premji or any other esteemed person..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SHoeb

    Absolutely correct to the dot. If we dont choose Kalam, Sreedharan would be a very very inspiring man. Premji would probably refuse being reclusive. His legacy deserves wide publicity as it gives a gr8 role model.

    I guess with so much talent available in India…it is sad that people who are willing to be sevile and Naukers get the job

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If Amitabh becomes the President, then SRK will leave no stones unturned to be one. Then that will be too many actors too often at Rashtrapati Bhavan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Pratibha Patil and Giani Zail singh “acted” to be utensil cleaners to get the top job. In case we get genuine actors… it would be a relief !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You seem never to be getting it right ! Act or real ? Decide for once and stick to it. If they acted all your past efforts will go in vain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thye acted for the Gandhi parivar. They would not clean utensils for you and me. Nothing wron in cleaning utensils as it is about dignity of labour. But to so it for the parivar to get favours… it is nauker mentality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So they acted. Good. Let’s stick to that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think these days drivers are making headlines. particularly two drivers.

    Jaffar Sharief did a Tehelka on Nijalingappa &CO, when they discussed their master plan to remove Indira Gandhi in his presence thinking that as a well paid driver of the congress president and a Muslim to boot, he would never betray the plotters, but he made history by back-stabbing the Syndicate and got into Indira Gandhi’s good books.

    Abhishek Manu Zingvi too believed his driver, who he thought was getting a decent salary, but the greedy driver did a Tehelka on his master and a confidante of Sonia Gandhi.

    Somebody mentioned something going viral on the internet.

    Well, nothing went viral as much as Zingvi’s SEEDY sex!.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I ahve drive 7,00,000 kilometres… motorcyle..car… cycle.

    Saala kab CM banunga main?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You need to drive somebody around.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I only end up driving all the nice people who ask for a lift…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    For a change I agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He too will get his chance-in 2052.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Knowing SRK, you never know when he can really get himself to that position !

    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with you.

    BJP/NDA has done a right thing by not propping up anyone’s name for the post so far. Let the govt. come up with a candidate with respectable credentials and a consensus could be formed – a contest should be avoided, if possible.

    Congress and their media spin masters, however, only think in terms of the candidate’s caste, religion, subservience and pliancy quotient. This blog is an example.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Shreedharan is a very good choice, he is not corrupt and he has a courage to say no.
    He will never be a yes man.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    I thought the criterion for a president was that he/she should NOT be known to be NOT corrupt!Because if being non-corrupt or uncorruptible (this is more dangerous) was THE criterion, Pratibha Patil wouldn’t have had even 1% eligibility.

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  • Anonymous

    Since we are discussing Manu Singhvi and SHahrukh… well let me throw a funny one.

    This Sunday one of our old school teachers is celeberating his 75th birthday. Nothing huge about it.

    But he happens to have taught

    Manu Singhivi
    Shahrukh Khan
    Chotta bachcha (Me)

    I am going to be there to greet him. I hope the other two seniors and very senior are going to be there. I can then ask all the vital quesitons on behalf of the bloggers…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I don’t think Singhvi will come but please request SRK not to make any movie
    like RA One.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Done !

    Last time I managed to talk to him…(for thirty seconds) … he was planning a techno movie as he was explaingin to the people around.

    Must have been RA 1

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I could not sit through for 5 minutes. How could he make such a ridiculous movie ? Was it interesting after that ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You all guys actually watch Hindi films and then crib? ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I saw one recently. It’s Vidya Balan’s Kahani and loved it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    From which side of bed did I get up today?
    I again agree with you, Kahani, a very nice
    engrossing thriller, enjoyed watching that
    movie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hope you will agree more by the time you go to bed tonight.

    Anonymous Reply:

    By the time he goes to bed, he will agree with anything.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fat chance.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    You are very very interesting. Would meet you someday in Dubai, where I have strong connections..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    That will be great. Just let me
    know whenever you plan to
    come here .

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    SRk did not like it too much when Shrish Kunder joked about the film. He pulled his hair and fought with him!!

    In case I do bump into him (slim chances as he is on IPL and it is a teachers brithday… not an alumnii meet), I am sure I will NOT convey the Janata;s feeling on RA 1

    But SRk has been good to some of the old teachers, including the dramtics teacher called Barry John, who had fallen into hard times. SRK took him to Mumbai and set him up a small academy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I felt bad when Barry John moved to Mumbai. I felt as if a part of Delhi moved with him We miss him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He must have thought that all the technical glitz, coupled with the Shah Rukh Khan name will rake in the moolah.

    But, I am sad that so much money went down the drain.

  • Anonymous

    @mahesh , please refer to my first post on this singhvi topic , i said and i quote “The silence of BJP is breathtaking , is it because it has to contend with the case of a ten year old maid raped and her body found in the boot of GADKARI’S CAR WITHIN THE PRECINCTS OF HIS HOME.
    There is a syng in bengali “Jey jai lankayee , shayei hoi ravan”
    translated “Who ever goes to lanka , is tranformed into a Ravan”
    However SEX CHANGES EVERYTHING
    If someone’s wife found out his husband having a chat with a women in a secluded place where both may be pouring their emotions out to each other , how much catastrophic impact will that have on the marriage , while the wife found out the husband’s relationship is on a carnal plane , it will NOT BE THE SAME.
    Also holders of public office will be judged by a different yardstick ,
    just like TEST MATCH cricketers are judged by a different standard than say a club cricket players.
    Many thanks will try to see , you please watch these two INDIAN films if you can , one is LOINS OF PUNJAB , the other is PRESIDENT IS COMING.Simply mind blowing ,
    There is a very good film based on SATYAJIT RAY’s affair with a bengalee actress , called ABOHOMAN(eternal).The actress Ananya Chatterjee got a national award for her role , though I thought Mamata Shankar(sitar maestro Ravi Shankar’s niece ) who played Ray’s wife was better.Now a days there is subtitle with all films

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I remember watching a movie ages back, probably called ” Banchhader Bagan” or something. Incredibly funny, but well narrated. Do you know whose movie was that ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    the case of a ten year old maid raped and her body found in the boot of GADKARI’S CAR WITHIN THE PRECINCTS OF HIS HOME.

    What was the outcome of this case??

    There is a saying in Brentwood जाको रखे बी वि शेनोय मर सके न कोय

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    If you ask me – the case has been put in the cold storage after Nitin Gadkari scratched few people’s backs in the Congress-NCP Government in Maharashtra.

    If you ask BJP walas here – it was a ’saazish’ of the Congress and its sponsored media, as no such thing ever happened. It was a ‘malicious propaganda’ to ‘tarnish’ the fair name of the BJP and the Nitin Gadkari. Let us wait for them to confirm or refute it.

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    Ravi Reply:

    You mean just like no one has ever been able to implicate the RSS in any riots in India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Are RSS people so inteligent that they don’t get caught
    or whole government machinery of India is in hand in
    gloves with them ? Or they were never really involved
    in any riots ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree. They are very intelligent (and being diabolical is another attribute) that they do not maintain any membership register. So anyone convicted can never be traced back to them. Nathuram Godse, blah, blah, blahm blah. Even L K Advani or Nitin Gadkari will not have any documentary evidence to show that he was/is in the RSS.

    Not involved in any riots? You must be joking. We have been down this road before many times, so we will leave this joke as it is. (Read the first para again).

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Much against my wish, I would like to engage with you in RSS involved in riots. I will use very civil language and logics only. I expect same from you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    When did I ever become uncivil in my language, I may have been harsh and blunt.

    RSS involvement in riots. What is there to discuss? in 2002, Babu Bajrangi (caught on camera in a sting operation admitting as to under whose patronage – let us not repeat his name – he and his goons were operating) , G Zaphadia, Maya Kodnani, Pravin Togadia, Acharya Dharmendra, just to name a few – all their hate speeches and incitement to the mobs. YouTube should have a quite number of videos. Surely you do not wish me to believe they belonged to SIMI, LET, JUD or the Taliban. No membership register, no linking of marauding mobs back to RSS and its other organisations. naa baa.ns, naa bajegi baa.nsuri.

    No diabolical organisation anywhere in the world maintains any membership register – secrecy is one of the weapons. I am sure you must have watched Mississippi Burning – see how the KKK used to work.

    What were the RSS/BJP leaders doing on the stage when the mosque was being destroyed – celebrating and distributing sweets – wasn’t that a riot – instead of targeting people they targeted a place of worship.

    You may dismiss all the above as false and believe otherwise. I have no issues.

    Ravi Reply:

    Well put. I look forward to reading Pankaj’s response.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    They do not maintian any membership
    register ? That means all the records are in their mind. Wow, I really admire their memory.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you do not know that the RSS does not maintain any membership register, then you do not know your RSS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I did not imply that.
    I said that I admire their
    memory as they keep all their memebership
    records in their mind.

    Ravi Reply:

    Oh yes they are trained to avoid getting caught and when they do RSS denies that they have anything to do with them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. It must be an RSS saazish that no one was ever able to implicate it in any riots case.

    Ravi Reply:

    This does not merit any sort of real response.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    ” Nitin Gadkari scratched few people’s backs in the Congress-NCP Government in Maharashtra”

    Why did these people from congress allowed their backs to
    be scratched? And that also from the leader of opposition.

    And Manohar regarding your question about Modi’s breed.
    I am sure you would have heard many stories about two sons
    of same parents , one becomes a hero and another a villian.
    Modi is that hero.

    Ravi Reply:

    For Black people in South Africa Nelson Mandela was a hero. However, for the White South Africans of that time he was a villian. They jailed him for 26 years.

    Ravan for some people is a hero and not a villian.

    So Mohan as you can see one man’s hero is another man’s villian

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I 100% agree with you here. One man’s hero
    is another man’s villian. Modi is a prime example of this. Mark my words in few years
    time barring unforseen circumtemses Modi
    will change the opinion of many people
    who consider him a villian.

    Ravi Reply:

    I will buy you a bottle of Pimms 1, when that happens.

    BTW did you not say that you can never agree with me

    Anonymous Reply:

    What to do, majboori hai
    sachai se moohn mod nahi
    sakta. But rest assured, I,
    more oftten then not will keep
    on disagreeing with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    haven’t you read this fake Ravi’s plans to finish off Modi so that “closure” can be brought about?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes I read that and had strongly disagreed with that.

    Ravi Reply:

    Back to dis-agreeing with things even I do not agree with.

    Your senior friend and erstwhile host is letting his ganja powered imagination get wild and windy

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you use the coin which Amitabh Bachchan used in Sholay – your argument falls flat. Whichever side they look all one will see a hero, nothing but a hero.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I always look at both sides of the actual coin not the coin you mentioned
    before giving my views.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A jihadi terrorist considered as such in India is a freedom fighter in your country.

    Ravi Reply:

    Just like your gurudev Golimarkar

    Anonymous Reply:

    Part 1 : Re: Scratching.
    Haven’t I said – Congress ho yaa BJP – ek hi khet ki mooli hai.n? You scratch my back, I will scratch yours.

    Part 2: Re: Politicians.

    In the last couple of days, you have been going hammer and tongs at the politicians without exception – including saying that they are worse than the sex workers. Now that you have clarified that Modi is not among them (we will pretend that 2002 did not happen), we must thank God that he sent one such among all the politicians (perhaps running into lacs) on this planet. ‘Hero worship ho to aisi’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    There is always an execption.

    Anonymous Reply:

    maine kahaa naa – hero worship ho to aisi. I have no issues.

    Enjoy your first drinking session of the month (Jai Daaru) and come back when you are in your ’senses’ (your assertion not mine). ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I will give an example of
    exception. We three brothers
    are staying in Dubai. They both
    are teetotalers, they have never touched alcohal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How do you know?

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    When do you think that our mutual friend will bring in two CDs, in response to this thread.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if it is brought out – it will be dismissed as Congress is saazish. Have you heard of ‘heaven born’ BJP leaders ever a hurting a fly? ‘Not me’. rape and dead body ‘bilkul naamumkin’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I have seen Lions of Punjab a really very nice comedy movie. I am sure
    Indians living in specially US will enjoy watching this movie. I will ask my son to
    download President is Comming. Thks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    While I agree with you on the asymmetrical nature of man-woman relationship and persons in power being judged with different yardsticks, things go beyond that. Hence the argument.
    Thanks for movie recos. Whatever you said about Satyajit Ray was a news to me.

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  • Anonymous

    mohan/Shoeb

    Sri E. Sridharan is almost 80 yrs old – although he is eminently qualified and respected, we may want a younger (less than 70) Indian -

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I did not know that Mr. Sridharan is 80 years old. Yes we should have a
    yong President.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How about Amul baby? ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He will always remain a baby.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But young and that is what you are advocating.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We don’t want dood peeta bacha as our
    president.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Amul baby will remain Amul baby – out of touch, “innocent’…..

    I do not think he wants to be anything — may be Mrs Gandhi and he should work towards resurrecting congress to its vitality — towards eradication of corruption etc.. They can do it if they want. Sonia will become”Bharat Ratna”, a real “bahu” of the country, if she does that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of all the factors that work against His candidature, his age is the least or most insignificant factor. He is honest, so he is disqualified.

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  • Anonymous

    Kill her Bill

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/kill-her-bill/943656/

    Meenakshi Natarajan, the young Congress MP from Mandsaur, was an eloquent defender of democracy during the Lokpal debate. Less than a year later, she’s threatening it. Natarajan gave notice to introduce a private member’s bill called the Print and Electronic Media Standards and Regulation Bill, 2012. Read the 14-page draft and you won’t find a more crude primer on how to gag the media. Among its suggestions: a regulatory authority to be notified by the Central government that can ban coverage; its members will be chosen by, among others, the I&B minister and three government nominees; the authority will lay down standards that include “prohibition of reporting of any news item based in unverified and dubious material”; “prohibition of publication or broadcast of any material that is defamatory”; prohibition on reporting news which is obscene or “offensive”. This authority can order “search and seizure” of any document “kept secretly at some secluded place”. It can even suspend operations of the media organisation for up to 11 months. To hell with RTI, “all documents and records…related to a complaint…investigation shall not be disclosed to any person except as directed by the Authority”. And no civil court will have jurisdiction on any matter the authority is empowered to determine.

    ———

    Read on.
    Note the shenanigans of the Congress. They are now trying to distance themselves from this draconian bill.
    ———–

    The one who is suffers from intelligence deficit (that is why this point ) should note that this post is by a ‘congressie troll’ and not by RSS propagandist. Once there is a deficit, very difficult to reduce or eliminate it – for evidence look the India’s fiscal deficit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If this bills gets the approval of the parliament then niether any ‘Congressie
    troll’ nor any Sanghi would be allowed to post his/her honest views on this blog.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    MOhan

    Yeh bhi Congress chaal hai. first debate a tough bill . Then to show they are willing to tone it down,,,, get a bill which censors as per their requirement.

    Katju has been got in this way. Facebook and Google were first platered by cases of their own troll lawyers….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I doubt this will be passed. It will probably require constitutional amendment(s) (just as Lokpal bill) and the Congress do not have the numbers.

    This must be a trial balloon floated by the Congress in an empty sky. Mamta Bannerjee and Narendra Modi would be delighted with such a draconian legislation though, as both get such a bad press..

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  • Anonymous

    Local TV reports here say that the presidential choice for Congress is between two “A”s – Ansari and Antony.

    both bad!

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Some people are also workign on aplan to push MMS up. Then create a vacancy for RahulG

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

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    ~~~ MORE VOICES RISE AGAINST NAUKERCY ~~ long live democracy ~~ !!!
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    Shoeb is a blogger I respect highly.

    He is well travelled, in business, mature and wants India to do well. Much of what i aspire to do,

    He always gets in comparisons with the US and talks about what India can be.

    His knocking down Indian Congresses NAUKERCY shows that now almost 80% of the blog is agianst naukercy.

    Cmon you nauker supprters. ARISE !!!. You have nothing to lose but your chains !!

    there is diginity in breathing free fresh air. No dignity i being naukers of the Thakry dynasty. No brains in being Naukers of the Karuna dynasty. No self respect in being nauker of the Lalu dynasty.

    The Nehru-gandhi dynasty has captured the national jewl called the Congress. Only a preson with no conscience ot a person who sees some material benefit can be a nauker there…

    Par woh jeena bhi kooi jeena hai?

    Arise PathakG ! Arise Manohar !!

    Kill me becasue you hate me. No problem…

    But never lose your soul to become a nauker of the Bofors chor dynasty….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Pathak will kill you! You are testing his patience! (looks like your new strategy is to wear him down)

    On Rahul – he is not going to be anything assuming there is no transfer of power to him before the elections. He will/can not be the PM even if Congress becomes the leader of a winning coalition in the next Lok Sabha,

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Yeh maut mujhe kabool hai !! Bhagat Singh also chose the gallows, rather than concede on principal….

    Well there is a move to get MMS to the President’s slot…

    And Pranabda…. Pranabda … pranabda…

    Wants the PM;s chair…

    A journo told me so…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju-

    My guess is they will not make Pranab PM even if MMS is moved out. Rahul will be made PM in that situation. Rahul does not stand a chance to be the PM after 2014 elections even if the Congress coalition wins majority, unless he is a PM going into the elections.

    Also, I do not think MMS will opt for/contest the presidency. Plus Mamta, Maulayam etc may not want him as the president. .

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    yes u r right MMS basically wants to retire. And then relive the days of glory under PV Rao where he saved India from bankruptcy.

    He woudl hate all the insults piled on him by Digivinash, RahulG and goons…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

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    ~~~ WILL PRATIBHA PATIL SCOREA TRIPLE CENTURY ??// ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Pratibha’s slavery to the royal family got her the President seat.

    In a country where millions earn less than rs 32 a day… she spent 228 crores on foreign travel .

    This is approximately the food and pverty level survival for 75 crore mandays !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    NOw just before going she has taken an entire family to South Africa. Wah Wah !! kya president hai!!

    Will she spend the bablance 72 crores and thus scoere a truple century of 300 crores expenses??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    She will be killed by a firing squad if she were in china, when she indulges in a ‘high” lifestyle (thank God, she did not get that piece of Pune land) at the same time allowing women like Sukama die in the street during childbirth

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/article3373093.ece

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    It surely looks like that you do not even know the rules governing the President’s visits to foreign countries. These are planned and arranged by the PMO and the Ministry of External Affairs as part of our diplomacy. The President just cannot decide on his/her own and just fly off to any country. If you wish to blame ‘wastage’ of Rs 300 crores -blame the PMO and the Ministry of the External affairs. On most of the visits, MPs across party lines are part of the entourage. Ever heard of goodwill visits?

    Sorry to say, I did not expect you to be so uninformed.

    Having said that, you may continue your bashing as usual, as that seems to be objective. The visits and the expenditure involved are just excuses to target a person you hate..

    BTW: Prince Andrew of Britain is on a visit to India. He does not even hold any constitutional post in UK and the visit must surely be part of the Britain’s diplomacy and the expenses borne by the British government.

    Prince Andrew unveils monolith at Kisama WWII Museum

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_prince-andrew-unveils-monolith-at-kisama-wwii-museum_1683263

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course Manohar, yup yup yup.

    She can always deny it is not worth going to a frucke up island, or drug hit Mexico……

    And the last time I checked, FM or PMO does not require her to take her children and grand children…

    Yes, she is a fr– up one, even today, after all these, allowing for sharmas and singhs and ahmeds and all other incompetents, I just cannot understand why this old lady was selected ….

    between you, me and the lamppost, if our FM packs her off to these places, we have a much larger problem.

    I hope and pray Maoists kidnap a cabinet minister or a president — it is quite probable and possible in this hollowed nation – where people (even on this blog) say “they also steal”, “if they had 60 years they will also get into this league”..Dont we have any honour left?

    Good night for now..

    .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good night.

    Carry On Bashing in the morning. The other can continue flying kite in an empty sky.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    jWby do you take course correction advise as bashng?

    Let us follow US and UK … not Pakistan and somalia…

    Take it in he right spirit

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Gopi

    Dont fall for this spin. ANything can be justified.

    Pratibha Patil represnts a culture of naukercy wehre after becoming a nauker you splurge on the resources of the state. Her son was caught with crores in cash.

    She was attempting to build a 5 acre bunglow on state expense.

    Let us see what her visits achieved. Except for her family members, a chosen few of the press who got free junkets, nothing would have come for India.

    Only duunces would call her family excursions as essentails for Indian diplomacy!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    let us not belittle this lady’s achievements on the goodwill front during her foreign goodwill tours.

    Her address to the Mexican parliament, an important exercise in earning the goodwill of the Mexicans, had a huge audience in attendance, numbering all of SIX PEOPLE, five of whom were her own securiry guards!

    And this trip of goodwill must have cost the country not a paisa less than 40crores!

    WHATA PRESIDENT AND WHATA GOODWILL EARNED!!!!

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    A hige hige waste of money. Those 5 people could have been made to fly form mexico to Delhi and the lecture delverd to them by Pratibha ji in Rashtrapati bhavan,

    20 crores could have been saved.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    That is what I have been tryign to tell you sir. PRINCE is an appendage of a royal family.

    We are a democracy… and should not have royal families.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But our prince is a twice born-dwija, in other words, a Brahmin. Therefore, Andrew or Philips are no comparison to our Yuvraj.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi is not uninformed. He is trying to add some zing in his life with Vijay style fun.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why? Did he get bored with Zingvi’s adventure?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not bored you silly…

    How do you describe the opposite ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    if you are to believe the congressi tgroll here, the Prime minister seems to have asked Pratibha Tai to take with her 12 chefs, 25 cooks a platoon of servants(not the kind of family servants we are familiar here). The PM also seems to have asked the former cook of Indira Gandhi to take with her 6 dozens of “friendly” editors and Asst. editors for every one of her “goodwill” jaunts!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pratibha Patil should have lived with “pao Bhaji” packed in a tiffin, like kalam survived on sipping “rasam” from the thermoglass in his “backpack” while touring 17 countries.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The 200 crores expense is already touching 300 on your scoreboard. Your inflationary scoreboard seems to be ticking very fast.

    I have not known any Indian President taking “backpack-foreign-tour” or on “SOTC package”.

    Please let us know if you know anybody.

    ==================================================
    A statement by President’s Officer on Special Duty Archana Datta also explained that the visits were undertaken after careful appraisal and recommendation by the Prime Minister’s Office and ministry of external affairs.

    Defending the size of the delegation that have accompanied Patil on 12 trips covering 22 countries, the statement said that the delegation comprised ministers, MPs, senior officials besides “supporting” and security staff.

    All Presidents have been accompanied by family members and Presidential guests besides media contingent.

    The statement also described as “potentially misleading” comparison of foreign visits undertaken by the President with her predecessors.

    It said that among her predecessors, Dr A P J Abdul Kalam had visited 17 countries, K R Narayanan (13), R Venkataraman (21) and V V Giri (22).

    ====================================================

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thanks

    I know for sure, Kalam’s visits were fruitfull. Further on he restricted the size of his “delegations”

    Leaaving aside personale prejusidices, the number of family members and servants taken along give an indication ot the importance of the tour.

    In Pratibha’s case, the SM Krishana headed Ministry hardly gives inspiration.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Since you are so sure, what was the restriction Kalam put?

    That his wife will not accompany him to any of his foreign tour !

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    no wife, no children, no grand childrenm no maami taayi cool cook ki bhabi no entourage of sycophants… etc etc

    Anonymous Reply:

    What’s the name of Abdul Kalam’s wife ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Then they also should have a very big problem with the Prime Minister’s wife accompanying him on his tours – I hope I have opened another front for them to attack and abuse their objects of hate. Sit back and watch the ‘fun’.

    You see – socialising and diplomacy do not go together as per ‘rules’ drawn up by some bloggers here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Naturally. Vajpayee refused to take his wife on foreign tours ! So others must follow the norm.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Plus he went by bus to Pakistan, so in future all foreign tours by our Presidents, Prime Ministers, Ministers should be by bus.

    Padyatra (*) would be best bet – then no will complain and the country will save Rs 60 crores a year on these ‘joy rides’. Those in favour, raise their hands.

    * In the ‘5000′ year old tradition and culture of our Rishis and Munnis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Can they carry a towel on their head ? Can the towel be bought from Chandini Chowk ? Or, one must buy from Shahdara roadside Monday market?

    How does a worker in Vijay’s factory react to Vijay going to a 5 star for a bottle of beer, when it’s openly available for Rs.85/ ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yaar, ek saath saari patange matt kaato. ek patang uDne do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In spite of the above the bashing will continue and now you have given them enough material to nit-pick, which has already started – it will be fun to be told about further faults and see some more kites in the sky..

    The solution is to have a President who survives on 4 glasses of water per day and nothing else, has no relatives whatsoever and would refuse to go on foreign tours. Also will tell the Government not to invite any Head of State to India. Do you know anyone who fits the bill?

    Wait for the CAG report – this Rs 300 crore figure will magically get transformed into Rs 30000 crores, when all hell will break lose.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t worry.

    Vijay loves to play Tennis like solo squash, hitting the ball against the wall and jump with joy.

  • Anonymous

    Beware of Mother in law.

    Husband and wife had a fight. Wife called her mother and informed her about the fight
    and told her that she will come and stay with her. Her mother said ‘ don’t be a fool, he should
    be punished for fighting with you, I will come and stay with both of you ‘

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    MOhan

    I am sure all Mother in laws will love this !!

    But on the more serious side… married friends advise me. Dont look at your girlfreind. This is a mayajaal of aaj. Look at the Mom… That is what she is going to be forever !

    Now I am humbled at the thought. And do take care to dine with the moms… just to check out aage kya hoga… !

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    But I meant this in good spirits… not to hurt anyone!! Ageing is something we all face. To do with cheer is what is commendable. o see a cheerfull mother in law would be a pointer to what your spouse is going to be in later years…

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  • Anonymous

    Lokpal will only fill jails, APJ Abdul Kalam says

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Lokpal-will-only-fill-jails-APJ-Abdul-Kalam-says/articleshow/12954236.cms

    Expressing doubts whether creation of Lokpal will put a lid on corruption completely, former President APJ Abdul Kalam on Tuesday said Lokpal would only fill up jails and children and youth could begin eradicating corruption from home. “What Lokpal will do is if it finds anyone guilty it would put them in jail, and jails will be filled up. What we want is nobody should go to jail … as we want good human beings,” Kalam said while interacting with children here.

    ————–

    Read on.

    Wonder how many people here will squirm.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj, Manohar, Ravi,
    Saw your thread on RSS and riots.
    You may want to watch Anand Patwardhan’s “Ram Ke Naam” to get a glimpse of hatred during the terrible period.
    p.s. for Manohar : That the RSS doesn’t maintain roster is not entirely true. Actually, the membership list is maintained at local “shakhas”. At State and all-India level, only key members from the lover level (district, state etc.) are maintained with hierarchical ordering.
    p.p.s. for Shan : Please note (Movie reco.).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    That is news to me. A roster of the foot soldiers. Well! Then how do they manage to disown the rogue elements, when caught? Erase their names from the books?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mahesh

    One of the favourite tricks of the RSS is to identify a promising firebrand candidate and then they train him and convert him into an asset ready for use as and when the need arises.

    Once the asset is ready then the RSS throws him out and asks him to maintain distance. This is usually done my making the individual a high profile member of a sister organisation. This was amply demonstrated by NRG leaving the RSS and becoming a member of the Hindu Maha Sabha.

    This way RSS is shielded from any blow back from TERRORIST activities carried by this trained and inspired individual.

    In that respect any records kept at local or regional level of no value.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am happiest today to celebrate the first death anniversary of your of your terrror guru, the maghroom Osamaji, who is rotting in his watery grave.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shenoy

    Arre kal Obama ko sneeze aaya,
    Ravi ji idea aaya

    Iss mein bhi RSS ka haath paaya !

    Ravi Reply:

    I will join you in celebrations.

    I also celebrate our investigation agencies who have found evidence to support which every one already knew.

    The National Investigation Agency (NIA), which is probing saffron terror cases, has found evidence that blasts in Purna, Parbhani, Jalna and Nanded between 2003 and 2006 are all connected with the perpetrators of Malegaon blasts, although in a peculiar way.

    Your favourite Saffron Terrorist organisation the RSS is implicated in all of them.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay, Pathak -

    Read that 860 unidentified bodies have been recovered in Delhi in the last four months.

    Sheila Dixit has requested PC/Home Ministry help in looking into this sudden increase.

    Any insight? Gang/mafia warfare? Terrorist connection?

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Well there us a genera perception on increase of crime. Dont have any idea of these.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s a huge number ! There were few here and there. But I don’t think we had anything of this sort.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    One reason could be Delhi is a transit point between various states.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    But we never heard this kind of number. I am sure it.s mis-reporting.

  • Anonymous

    Mahesh

    What’s in a road’s name? A lot

    http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_whats-in-a-roads-name-a-lot_1683339

    Take right from Vatsala Bai Desai Chowk to go to Dr Gopalrao Deshmukh Marg. This is how the traffic police and local police would issue instructions for citizens during security checks or crisis situation in the city.

    Do you know which part of the city you are in? In Mumbaikar lingo, it means take a right from Haji Ali junction to go to Peddar Road.

    ————-

    During bandobasts, the local police alert citizens through text messages regarding traffic diversions. But when they use the official road names, most motorists are left scratching their heads regarding the location.

    ————

    For example, Mumbaikars know Shaikh Memon Street as Zaveri Bazaar, Vatsala Bai Desai Chowk as Haji Ali junction and Hutatma Chowk as Flora Fountain. What citizens call Tardeo Road is officially Pandit Madan Mohan Malviya Road.

    ——————–

    This is sure to raise the hackles of chauvinists like the Shiv Sena, MNS ans others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    VT- Victoria Terminus has become Chatrpati Shivaji Terminus.
    Both the airports Santa Cruz and Sahar also are called now Chatrapati Shivaji.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody (and that include the Marathi Manoos) in their daily parlance refers to it as CST – it is still VT.

    The airport is referred to simply as Santa Cruz for domestic terminals and Sahar for the international terminals.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I frequent both of these airports regularly and I have not even
    heard any Taxi driver or Auto driver using new names
    of these airports.

    Anonymous Reply:

    which is why these drivers often get beaten up by MNS “volunteers”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    These things happen some time but overall
    Bombay is a safe city to stay. I have traveled
    to many places in India but somehow I find
    Bombay more safer then others. This is my personal opinion only I don’t know what others
    think.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The safest city among all in India. Many women working in hotels/airport/call centres/etc. travel all alone even late at night. This is probably because very high population density – safety in numbers(!).

    Of course, there are always some aberrations.

    Practically all the rape cases reported in Bombay are by male of the species from the neighbourhood or known to the victims.

  • Anonymous

    Good morning.

    I married her for her looks not the looks she gives me now.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    gud morning Mohan

    Just getting ready to join my friendly donkey pals in the pit of life…

    Would look forward to some nice jokes.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Next time do not make that mistake. ;-)

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Next time? Meri kya shamat aayee hai. Can’t even think of next time.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    shaadi ki to darnaa kyaa.
    shaadi ki koi chori nahi.n ki

  • Anonymous

    Praise from one great man for another

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article3374667.ece?homepage=true

    The meeting of Gurudev from Bengal and the grand old man of Tamil literature in 1926 in Chennai was a historic moment. Not only did Tagore call on U. Ve. Swaminatha Iyer but also penned a poem in praise of his efforts to salvage ancient classical Tamil literary works from palm leaf manuscripts, which Tagore said put Mother Tamil on a higher pedestal.

    “The ancient glory of Dravidian country was recorded on palm leaves, and it was known to the world because of you. Like sage Agasthya, you put Mother Tamil on higher pedestal. You adorned the feet of Mother Tamil with the five epics such as Chinthamani and Manimekalai,” thus goes Tagore’s poem.

    —————

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Tamil literature goes back in time with gems such as “thirukkural” , “Chilappathikaram” (in fact you can see the statue of Kananki in Marina beach throwing away her anklets)….

    “Aandal”, who is now worshipped as a God in many Vaishnavite Tamil/Telugu temples, may have been the first woman poet in the world – she lived in 100-200 AD.

    Anyway , to turn you on – we had women poets then and we have women presidents now.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I have seen that statue of Kananki at Marina beach. My wife bought
    lot of gift items from those small shops on that beach.

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  • Anonymous

    Lakhs witness Thrissur Pooram

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/kerala/article3374528.ece?homepage=true

    Revellers packed the city streets on Tuesday to soak in every bit of the Thrissur Pooram — the elephant parades, ensembles, religious ceremonies and the pyrotechnics.

    It offered something for everyone. Elephant lovers got to see 38 majestic tuskers, 30 of them at the main parade. People devoted to temples and their customs admired the festival’s celebration of age-old rituals, especially the processions carrying the deities of the Thiruvambady and Paramekkavu temples to the Sree Vadakkannathan temple in the heart of the city. For the music lovers, there were some of the best performances of Kerala’s traditional ensembles — Chembada Melam, Pandi Melam and Panchavadyam.

    ———–

    Read on.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    “parade” is a secular usage…Gods ride on decked, caparisoned elephants.. the junior Gods from Thiruvambady and Paarmekkavu make their annual visit to the supreme at Vadakkunatha temple.

    Actually this particular pooram is not age old; initiated by the ruler, Saktan Thampuran, of Kochi in 1600s.

    The pooram at “Aarattu puzha” is age old, it traces to 1400 years ago. It is a smaller affair with 20 or so elephants,

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Gopi.

    Are they only religious in nature or just plain celebrations? What is the history behind these parades?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    The “poorams” are annual festivals of the temples. It happens in Feb thru April months.

    As part of the festival, Gods and Goddesses from the temple (dieties), get out of the sanctum santorum , and do three “pradakshina” around the temple, accompanied by the instrumental music composed of the 5 temple instruments – “chenda”, the drum being the important one.

    Elephants are integral parts of kerala temple festivals. Many temples, such as Guruvayoor, have their own stable of elephants. The main deity generally travels on the tallest elephant with two shapely tusks.

    These are age old religious festivals; my guess is that God is taken out in the old days so all people in the village – not just the select group who had entry “permit” to the temple because of caste rules – could worship/see the God, at least once a year.

    Some of these temple festivals, over a period of time, became inter temple/inter village competitions – who has more elephants, whose “panch vadya” is better etc. Thrissur Pooram is one like that.

    Some of the elephants, like Guruvayoor kesavan, become darlings of people all across the state. Actually there are lots of elephant societies, and fan clubs for particular elephants such as the legendary Kesavan..

    Anonymous Reply:

    also, google on famous elephants of kerala

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thanks for this beautiful narration of this yearly ritual.

    Different states, different languages, different religions,
    different religious/non religious customs/rituals.
    A real unity in diversity. This is what I love about
    my country India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    This procession is so similar to Mysore Maharaja’s Daseraa celebrations!!!.

    Are these processions restricted around the temples or do they cover a much larger areas?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    It is not a “procession” (in the sense of a linear march). It is circling three times around the temple in leftward (“pra dakshin”) direction.

    It generally is restricted to the temple; except in cases such as Thrissur Pooram, where the diety travels to a central temple..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Also look into “famous elephants of kerala’

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

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    ~~ A mutual admiration society~~ SCRATCHING BACKS~~ finding RSS everywhere~
    ==================================================================

    Life is Funny. This is a blog about who is going to be the next President. Three people forma mutual admiration group.

    One sees RSS in Tora Bora, another sees RSS in Pakitan bomb testing, another sees RSS all over the sky !!

    Wah Baba !! Kya joke hai!!

    Mohan add this to your repertoire please !

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi, Vijay Kumar, Pathakji,

    the Christians have, through their secularlorganisations, have requested all political parties, including Sonia Gandhi and the BJP, to give at least one constitutional post to their community. They have suggested former supreme court justice K.T.Thomas.

    I FEEL JUSTICE THOMAS IS AN EMINENT PERSONALTY AND HE SHOULD BE THE CONSENSUS CHOICE OF ALL TH PARTIES.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Done

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know very little of him. So no comment.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a good sign. It means that there is nothing much on the debit side of his balance sheet. Or else we all would have known it.

    Shall I take it that it is a yes from you?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who knows he can also spring a surprise like kalam as a President.

    Kalam was never known for his wisdom at DRDL/O. He was rather sneered at for always trying to be close to the politicians/ministers like what Vijay keeps describing……. But as a President he definitely sprang a surprise. So who knows even Thomas can spring a surprise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    At least, now you are wiser about Justice Thomas-that 1) he once attended afunction of the RSS and praised the organisation and 2) Shenoy is gung ho about him.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I doubt Congress will support Justice Thomas. He is highly qualified and respected; however, he is all praise for RSS, and that puts him at odds with Congress higher ups.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Nowonder Shenoy was so gungho about him !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Pathakji,

    I am wonder struck myself as to why the Christian secular associations, all with impeccable images, should put forth this name.

    As for praising the RSS, I think Jawaharlal Nehru, Jayaprakash Narain and several eminent Indians have on record praised the RSS.

    Therefore, that should NOT pose an intractable impediment, just like people shouldn’t hold the abrogation of Rajyasabha by Ansari Saab at the end of an inconclusive debate on the Lokpal bill.

    After all, servants of the FAMILY ke bhi koyi duties hote hain naa?

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay’s Quadratic Equation :

    1) Congress = North Korea
    2) BJP = Pakistan

    Can anybody help me solve this ?

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Sirry you missed the equation

    You were stating that BJP is like Pakistan. So you got confused. See your own post on nuclear tesitng.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    We are changing it to our unique collaboration -

    This is Vijay-Pathak’s Quadratic Equation. Let’s invite people to solve it.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    :) lowering myself into the pit fo life… maybe my donkeys will solve my problmes..

    Anonymous Reply:

    It will take me some time solve this. Just wait. I do not wish to find a solution in 6 minutes that can be done in 6 hours, in the process not shoot myself in the foot. ;-)

    BTW: Are the betting counters till open for the above?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t rush up like BJP guys and jump to a conclusion in a ziffy. Looking forward to the solution.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    politics cannot be reduced to mathematical equations, nor can it be explained away in medical terms like Shaan Nirad babu often does.

    In real terms, congress is following the dynastic succession practised with great finesse and non-challance by North Korea, Cuba and Pakistan.

    The BJP has no chance of catching up with the congress party in this particularl respect.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I remember doing a mathematical model on group behaviour long long time back and my professors had liked that unconventional approach. So things could be expressed in a mathematical model.

    Some analogies could also be drawn and explained with medical terms. After all, we have cells of different nature in human body, sometimes collaborating, sometimes outwitting each other, or even sometimes growing at others’ expense. Stuffs that politics is really made of !

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay/Pathak

    Here is the TOI link on the 860 unidentified bodies over 4 months:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/858-unidentified-bodies-recovered-in-four-months/articleshow/12957981.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry. I guess i missed this news item. The number is surprising !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, it is a big number; I hope it is a wrong number.

    It is a chilling number if true. Since nobody reported a ‘missing person” , could it be that they are kidnapped from somewhere else inn the country and killed – may be a new “terror” mode?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahadevan,

    The report also says that last year 3337 bodies were recovered
    in Delhi. Looks like it is a common occurrence, the only difference is that CM has asked Home ministry to look into this. Now question is why this year Ms. Diixit has sought help
    of Home Ministry? Something which public is not aware of?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    This is quite serious. I have not seen any news on this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who knows it could be his deemag ki upaj !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I read the news from the link which
    Mahadevan has provided which in the end
    says that last year 3337 bodies were found.

    Anonymous Reply:

    A decimal is missing, that is all.

    The figure is small, quite unlike Sheila Dixit’s.

    And since it is a congress dispensation, with the decimal added, ALL IZZZZZ WELL!!!!!!!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ mahadevan

    Another reason could well be the large number of homeless people in Delhi who die uncared for. Thse could be beggars and general migrants.

    In case there were delhites totally, there would be some newsreports on death, murder etc.

    Since I work at construction sites, I definately know that there are some gangs who target migrant workers in buses and trains when they come to Delhi, especailly if they are alone. Even though these poor guys probably have only a watch, few thousand rupees, they become easy targets as they are given some sort of nasha in the train and then they are attacked once they come out.

    Still difficult to say what is the bhackground of the dead.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is also possible that these are body-harvesting cases.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Organ trade could be a reason

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a very high figure. Is there any particular reason as to why so?
    – too many migrants and/or very large floating population !!!!

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan

    Former chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission(AEC) P K Iyengar alleged that the 1998 tests were done in haste at the bidding of the government of the day. A BJP-led NDA government headed by Atal Bihari Vajpayee had just assumed office when India conducted the tests.

    http://www.sify.com/news/kalam-not-qualified-to-reject-drdo-scientists-claim-on-pokhran-ii-homi-sethna-news-national-jjbtucecdei.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Sorry to say but it seems that since yesterday you were looking for a news
    which will justify what you had written. I thought this chapter was closed
    as we had moved on to other ‘interesting’ subjects. This 2009 report though
    says that NDA government was in hurry to test nuclear but there is no mention
    of Ms. Jaya Lalitha.
    Thanks for the link.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually I came across this link while going through Kalam’s interview on Agni V on different sites. I usually read few versions of the same event from different sources to get more details. So it was not deliberate attempt to justify my argument. I have had better sources.

    Besides, since you decided to do the research at leisure, this kind of small news sources will add up for validation.

    PS : Watch a small movie called LSD to know how one event joins up many people. Different people from different walks of life go through different channels, but find common thread in one event.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Will try to watch LSD . Thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Kalam praises Indira, Biju Patnaik for Agni V success story

    ———–
    He said Indira Gandhi and Patnaik were visionary leaders, but there were farsighted bureaucrats too.

    When the armed forces, Kalam said, were critical of the integrated guided missile programme in 1982-83, then cabinet secretary C. R. Krishnaswamy Rao put his weight behind the project and his doggedness received then defence minister R. Venkataraman’s approval.

    “Today, the production agency for Prithvi, Agni, Akash and Brahmos missiles has a total order valued at over Rs.93 lakh crore. Such is the power of vision of our political and bureaucratic leadership,” he added.

    Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/apj-abdul-kalam-hails-indira-gandhi-for-agni-v-success/1/186052.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I believe I had posted this news item few minutes before. Then suddenly it was gone from the blog. Now I am having doubt if I actually posted this before !

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You must have pressed the delete button for the wrong post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I see only edit,like,reply links. Do you see a delete button?

  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    If you are among donkeys and are thinking about marriage than this is for you.

    Ladkiyon ki aadhi zindagi husband ki talash mein guzar jaati hai
    aur baaki aadhi zindagi husband ki talashi mein .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thx MOhan

    Just came out of the pit of life. I appreciate that there is still freedom after marriage !

    I also learnt from donkeys that females can disturb the most hardworking of males.

    There were these two donkeys, being fed with gur and channa after six rounds from the pit to top. I think they had started recognising me in four days and even smiled probably thinking what a fool I am for not eating the gurr myself.

    Then comes a female donkey. She was fifteen feet behind and there was no way they could see her…

    They started getting fidgety… started mooing… started swelling up in the wrong places (!). Food was forgotten for the moment.

    There contractor sensed that trouble was on way.. He rudely shook them and took them away… for more work…

    Kya aadmi ki zindagi aisi nahin hai?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay.

    ” Kya aadmi ki zindagi aisi nahin hai?” Ya aurat ki bhi?
    Don’t both have similar desires.?

    A man gets love bite on his neck by his secretary. Goes home
    worried, he allows his dog to jump on him. Reaches home and
    shouts ” this dog bit my neck ” Wife removes are bra and
    said ” I am also fed with this dog, look what he did to my b….bs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are teaching lots of tricks to the female readers here !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    What I could not do when I was young – not a single
    lady would give me a second look – may be I
    will be able to do that in my middle age. One should always live in hopes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you already bought a dog in advance ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Whenever I buy, I will make sure
    that he stays at my workplace only.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That means no chance of any alibi at home !

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Dogs r to blame!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    kutthe hamesha kameene hote hain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    God has not given enough senses to donkeys, which is why we call them donkeys.

    But He has given these donkeys sixth sense, which recognised you as one of their own.

    Be nice to them. Increase their wages by Rs.5.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am giving the donkeys the time of their life by feeding them gurr and chana. A full party. Plus a lecture to the contractor everyday to treat his source of income very well.

    I learnt that by nature we humans only salute the poweerfull and those who can kill and attack you.

    We respect the lion, even want to be like lions. The lion never worked for you like a donkey , never gave you milk like a cow, ..

    The humble donkey which actually worked for the past 10,000 years was derided… the lion which killed our ancestors was saluted…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Bhai mere sab pichle janam ke karam hai.
    Koi bana gadha to koi bana sher.

    (: (:

    Anonymous Reply:

    fid gur to donky.poosie to ****.donky ned only mustad oild ramdev lathi fix all.jaihind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mangalam is back from Tora Bora ! :)

  • Anonymous

    Here is a ‘hair’ raising news item

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/A-new-look-Narendra-Modi-soon/articleshow/12957422.cms

    Excerpt

    Political watchers had observed his hair-growth in 2007 when he last got a hair-transplant to reclaim part of his receding hairline and appear less bald for the December election campaign. During the treatment, he used to cover his head with a woolen cap, especially when out in the sun.

    For the last six months or so, it is the mane growing at the back which is catching the eye as he curls up a tuft enough to make a pony-tail.

    This is another hair-raising story! There is immense speculation on what is in store. Is it because of some religious belief that Modi is growing his hair? Is he donning a more saintly image? Or, is this preparation for another transplant in an assembly election year.

    ———-

    Read on and enjoy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    He is a bachelor, may be he is looking for a girl and wants to look young.

    A Pakistani doctor here in Dubai is quite famous in hair transplantation.
    He charges USD 22000/- and guarntees growth of hair in six months.
    One of my friend who is almost bald has used the services of this doctor
    last month. He has promised us a party if the result is positive.
    According to him SRK, Hritik Roshan, Salman Khan and Akshaye Khanna
    have also been the clients of this doctor.

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  • Anonymous

    The baby fish asked its mother, “Mamma, why can’t we live on the earth?”
    Mother fish replied, “Naa baba naa, earth is only for the selfish”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy.

    How true. Very good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A great one! I already used it -

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  • Anonymous

    A few posts earlier I had quoted Pramit Pal Chaudhri from his blog which appears alongside and his view which way the country’s economy is headed and who is primarily responsible for its current state.
    I now refer to the much talked about Book “Break Out Nations ” by Ruchir Sharma. Ruchir takes a rather dim view of India’s state of economy and the likelihood of it performing well in the near future.
    ” The new book Breakout Nations, by Morgan Stanley head of emerging markets Ruchir Sharma, has got analysts buzzing over the future of the Indian economy. Sharma contends that the possibility of India growing at a brisk and sustained pace in future is only 50:50. Such an analysis is fuelled by undue pessimism due to the current phase of low growth, persisting inflation, policy paralysis, innumerable corruption scams and so on. ”
    I saw Ruchir’s interview on CNBC Awaz and he was very critical of MNREGA. I was reminded of what an colleague and friend who has agricultural land holdings in UP told me that because NREGA , it had become very difficult to get farm labour and operations were getting delayed and held up . Same story from the labour contractors and other sub-contractors in the construction industry which I am associated with for the last few years. And Vijay may also be aware of it ..
    Should the country not have a relook at MNREGA and other similar schemes ?. Could they be having a negative effect on economic activities , apart from the large scale swindling funds which takes place?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen.

    These MNREGA and NREGA very bad schemes . Paying money for negligible work
    is not only inflationary but this also make people lazy. These are just vote buying
    schemes which should be scrapped as soon as possible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan , Vijay

    It may be a relevant to review these schemes after doing an independent and thorough audit. Have the benefits reached the rightful and have they created any assets. The govt’s appetite for revenue and considerably fuelled by such schemes , has grown so much that the industry and individuals alike are feeling throttled.
    I am noticing how difficult it has become for the industry I work for . e.g Service Tax on accrual basis when earlier it was on receipts basis has made things so difficult , when the industry is already feeling a huge liquidity crunch.
    Govt appears to be so blinded by its need that it is not willing to look at the problems of the Industry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A lot of things have become complicated int eh governments desire to garner revenue

    Anonymous Reply:

    What is problem are you facing with the Service Tax ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    India may not make it. That is my gut view. We are still struggling to get our world view correct. Our growth story is haphazard. Frankly it is partly a story of corrupted crony capitalism. We dont have the vision to create world class infrastructure. DOnt have the will to make laws, simple, effective and FAST. We still destroy our industries through socilaist actions, politiciasn and officers looking to put in inspector Raj

    The high growth which has occurrred till now is only an outcome of the cellphone in your pocket (Thank u PV Rao) and the internet (thank u Chandrababu naidu) on which I am typing this on. They crunched the decison making processes so much that Business to business action now takes half the time.

    Praveen you stay in Noida. You would now that the only two good CM’s UP got in the past forty years were HN Bahuguna and Rajnath Singh. Rest were selfish idiots. A lot of action took place in Mayawati’s time BUT only becasue industrialist would go with a scheme, pay up money and things would happen. Not becasue they were policy makers who could create magic.

    I have high hopes on Narendra Modi, Shiela Dixit, Nitish Kumar and Jaya. Rest of the CM’s are just bakwas.

    NREGA should be tuned to ensure that nobody dies of hunger. Should NOT be a schem to throw away state money and then end up with inflation. The India story is just a haphzard piece of luck driven by entrepneurs and visionaires like Azim Premji.

    Not by policy makers and government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Saxena,

    Regarding MGNREGA, I always had a doubt whether it was a well thoughtout plan. Is this the best way of spending money for the benefit of rural masses? What could be the possible side effects and some of your friends have rightly stated the repercussins it has on the economy.

    With so much money involved in this scheme the government should take serious measures to see that the money is utilised to create assets in villages, thus bringing about a real change in the rural economy.

    Please allow me to copy-paste below from an article by Harsh Agarwal
    (former Ambassador for UN Millenium Development Goals):

    Many economists attribute increasing labour scarcity in agriculture, rising food price and inflation to NREGA. NREGA has no doubt raised rural daily wage rates, reduced migration and led to several other positive social effects in rural India. But at the same time it has also contributed to rising farm input costs, withdrawal of labour from the farm sector and therefore impacted agricultural operations and food prices. Farmers in Punjab and Haryana now find it increasingly difficult to get labour and are left with no other choice but to increase the wage rate to attract the labourers.

    High labour costs due non-availability of labour is resulting in high cultivation cost and thus leading to higher food prices. Many critics feel that by focusing on the employment and not on the production, the scheme merely redistributes the proceeds of a limited production. The scheme no doubt inflates demand but, without corresponding increase in production of useful asset, leads to inflation.

    Minimum wage under NREGA should be cautiously increased keeping in view its impact on other unorganised sectors, especially agriculture and that it must be ensured that it is targeted at only the really poor and needy. Possibilities of NREGA being dovetailed with the farming activities, so as to minimize its adverse effect on agriculture, should be explored.

    The constructive impact of the 100-day employment guarantee must be confined strictly to months when there is no harvesting or sowing activity so that it does not affect agriculture adversely. With the rural workforce drawn into this scheme the mechanisation and modernisation of agriculture needs to be focused upon.

    Government must study the impact of NREGA on various other sectors and take corrective measures so as to ensure that this programme doesn’t exacerbate the problem of food price rise and inflation.

    Conclusion

    We must understand that NREGA cannot be a long-term solution to the unemployment problem of rural India. A comprehensive and a more sustainable solution that creates large-scale self-employment opportunities in the secondary and tertiary sectors in the rural areas, stimulates demand and last but not the least, increases rural productivity still need to be found.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    You have circulated a very good article which appears to echo what Ruchir Sharma and others feel. There surely must be a better model to reach out to the rural poor.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any interesting idea how to reach out to the rural poor?

    Anonymous Reply:

    1. Begin with food. Implement the PDS effectively (learn from Chhatisgarh).
    2. Educate them free – provide incentives to reduce dropouts (specially of girls)
    3. Let them obtain vocational training in locally employable industries
    4. If using NREGA like schemes, ensure:
    a) it results in asset creation
    b) it doesn’t become a dole
    c) there is transparency and accountability

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pick up any state of your choice and see if any of the idea you have listed is not included in the planned welfare scheme !

    Anonymous Reply:

    If these work, we won’t need anthing like NREGA or farmer loan waivers…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your list of recommendation included MGNREGA.

    Farmers’ loan waiver is for many other reasons.

    Farmers do not have direct access to bank loans like industrialists. Sometimes industralists get away with bad debts, but usually farmers can’t because they usually take loans from the local loan sharks. Even there is a peer pressure amongst the farmers to go for better equipments / seeds / fertilisers and end up taking even more loans. This way the loans spiral.

    We have had terrific growth in the service industry. It’s relatively easy money floating in the market which has led to quick change in the lifestyle. For a moment, you think the plight of a farmer who is hugely debt ridden and worried then watching the television going berserk on IPL. At that moment the money stinks.There is every possibility that the farmer would turn rebel. Slowly the social disorder even harsher than the Maoist problem would arise. That’s why these ‘inclusive’ programmes are carefully designed to buy time till our welfare schemes take solid footing in rural areas.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, NREGA was on my list with a definite “asset” creation. There have been instances where some projects were abandoned mid-way (as the 100 days in a year clause ran out) and something new was started. There should be more accountability and purpose.

    If you are suggesting that the farmers mostly take their loans from local loan sharks, then were those loans written off. Farmer’s loan waiver essentially served only two purposes:
    a) get votes
    b) bail out the banks

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abandoning a project midway is more of local mismanagement than policy issues.

    If you want to look at your country a little more holistically, then you have to move yourself up and get a better macro view.

    We can fight about the vote bank politics closer to election days, but in other time we can look at these welfare schemes a little more critically.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Abandoning a project midway is more of local mismanagement than policy issues.

    If you want to look at your country a little more holistically, then you have to move yourself up and get a better macro view.

    We can fight about the vote bank politics closer to election days, but in other time we can look at these welfare schemes a little more critically.

  • Anonymous

    Praveen

    One of the theories he talks about, which I was not aware of, is “middle-income trap” –that developing economies hit a “middle income trap”, and stop catching up to rich nations, when per capita income reaches about $5.000-$10,000 (brazil, Malaysia, mexico..)

    China passed the $5000 level last year,, and now showing the same signs of deceleration that Taiwan, S Korea, Japan etc exhibited at the same level: rising labour demands for higher wages.

    NREGA to some extent is creating a “demand for higher wages”..

    As Mohan have said many times before, and as I have concurred all those times, NREGA is a bad thing. Work should be rewarded; and if at all an unemployment compensation is provided, as Iswar stated it should be restricted to non-cultivation season.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Gopi that was another interesting point he made ..that China’s growth may plateau because of that reason. He also mentioned crony capitalism , which we all are now beginning to get aware of.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are a hundred ways of using NREGA money instead of throwing it around. There was a chowkidar working for me. He and his wife dont come to Delhi now as both combined can survive on the dole. Thier 11 year son hangs around the colony park… doing exactly nothing,

    I try to tempt him to go to school. Not interested. His parents have just left him here with his chacha to grow up or become a household naukar. Then send money back to Bihar.

    NOw the subtle part. This guy was failry skilled adn even educated to 11 th class. The government instead of making him sit at home could have created a scheme where he could have maybe helped in adult literacy, or even say spreading knowledge on Dengue and malaria in his village… anything so that tyhe money just did not go as dole.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Europe and to some extent US is becoming wasteland through too much government spending and the deficits/debts incurred as a result.

    Where will the money for schemes like NREGA come? How can future enrollments (with a growing population) be restricted? How can future payments be reduced/stopped? What will happen if a future govt has to cut off due to financial realities? Will we have ready made Naxals?

    The whole NREGA smells bad, is bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    NREGA is bad. there has to be some scheme that the poor dont die of hunger or become beggars. That is the crux of the issue.

    Obiovuly we are not in a position to have a huge dole constitiuency. But something good need to be worked out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tell me how can the Govt. can reach out to the boy like him when he himself and his father is reluctant ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good question. Has to be some coercion on parents like in UK

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another Sanjay Gandhi kind of programme ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    There will always be some waste in a large programme like this. People in villages take advantages of this programme and try to make money on the side. Some contracters pay less wages and get people sign for higher wages.

    The budget and the programme is earmarked. The intention is to provide jobs in rural areas, so that people get some jobs nearer home and don’t migrate to cities. This also avoid social unrest due to digital divide.

    The onus is on the state govt. to implement the programme with the help of the local administration. To say that the money is just being doled out is not right. Many NGO’s are actively involved in this programme. They have empowered the wage earners demand actual wages through RTI. Even some contracters were shamed to pay back the money to villagers in AP.

    Any of us if stay out of our office for few days, the work pace tends to get slackened due to non-supervision. This happens in a department with less than 100 employees. Think what can happen to any programme that is implemented Nationwide.

    Though initially branded as UPA programme, now all opposition states have embraced this and so much so that they project this as State sponsored programme. So you can understand there is nothing wrong with the programme. It’s the execution that needs to be fine-tuned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, tell me when was the last time any politician, any bureaucrat disliked/was against a huge multi multi crore scheme where they all could steal together without anybody pointing fingers against?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, give me an alternative to the politicians and bureaucrats in our system.

  • Anonymous

    Jaya fired 15,000 or so party workers DMK had appointed for disbursement (well, at least 15,000 got job!).

    She has started a bank based disbursement scheme.

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  • Anonymous

    Parliamentary panel pitches for separate exam for IPS

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Parliamentary-panel-pitches-for-separate-exam-for-IPS/articleshow/12964193.cms

    Excerpts

    The Panel – Standing Committee on Home Affairs – in its report table in Parliament during the ongoing Budget session has put a question mark on the current examination system, observing that such ‘reluctant’ entrants into the IPS may not do justice with their policing jobs.

    It said: “The people aspiring for IPS do not know whether they will get into this or not. In the same way, the people not interested in IPS, do not know whether they will get IPS or other services…It has been seen that people who do not like policing get into IPS”.

    ———–

    The issue was discussed in the Parliamentary Committee – chaired by BJP Rajya Sabha member M Venkaiah Naidu – in the context of huge shortage of IPS officers in many states at the time when country needs their adequate strength to face various internal security challenges including terrorism and naxalism. The home secretary had informed the committee on April 4 that there was a shortage of as many as 1,300 IPS officers in the country.

    ———–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It makes sense to have a separate exam.

    However, we should seize this discussion about the overall role/need etc of IAS/IPS…plus the calibre of people getting into these – with the economy booming, higher salaries opportunities abounding, will the IAS/IPS and the military be able to attract top talent?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are two types of people who get into IAS/Military. People who are deeply committed or the 2nd rung who do not get engg/med/management seats. Even after some increase in salary in IAS/Military, the problem still would be there.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right.
    May be this is the time to reduce the number and roles of the centralized bureaucracy and dissolve lots of functions to states/taluks etc. It is a major initiative, but something that has to be done ..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    There is shortage of IPS officers, shortage of judges and since childhood I have been
    hearing shortage in arm forces and we are facing unemployment in many sectors.
    Where have we gone wrong? I am not an expert in these things but has not the time
    come to think out of box? Come up with some new innovative ideas?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, Mohan, that is ‘government” for you!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan/Manohar

    I remember Manohar giving a link about this retired Colonel who has set up training academies in rural areas (of UP- but I believe it has spread) to prepare children for military academies.. I thought it was a great move.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, PathakG, Mohan

    We need bureaucracy at lower levels and not be top heavy.

    Re: IPS – it certainly makes sense to have separate exams – perhaps only the committed will sit for it.

    Shortage. There is a dilemma here. The size of bureaucracy/police etc. have not kept pace with the increase in population. We keep cribbing (in spite of shortage in various services and branches) as to how the bureaucracy lives off the tax payer’s money and does nothing. My favourite theory – empower (including financially) lower levels of governance, then we may not crib. Of course, we will need proper strength in services like the police and the judiciary. For example, have more district level courts and judges, have more benches of various high courts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bureaucracy is supposed to follow the pyramid structure and mostly it is. By design it can never be top heavy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    By top heavy, i mean, too many bureaucrats (all levels) sitting in various secretariats in New Delhi and state capitals.

    Anonymous Reply:

    India is a very large country. Of course there are huge inefficiencies, but then that’s another story.

    Anonymous Reply:

    India is a very large country. Of course there are huge inefficiencies, but then that’s another story.

  • Anonymous

    State-of-the-art ground station to come up at Antarctica soon

    http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/article3374556.ece?homepage=true

    A state-of-the-art ground station for earth observation satellites which will function in sub-zero temperatures and withstand high wind speeds will be established at Bharati Station, the third research facility being set up by India on the icy continent of Antarctica.

    The installation and commissioning of the ground station will be taken up in summer season at Antarctica, starting from December 2012 to March 2013.

    ———–

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~BREAKING G-R-A-N-D NEWS !! COngress panel learns form us bloggers !! ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Most of us guys on this blog had been saying that the Congress campaign in UP was COMMUNAL, CASTEIST, DIVISIVE and Bad for the country.

    Seems that the AK ANthony team read this blog and has concluded the same !!

    Please read : NDTV news !

    To all the bloggers who doubted our line… imagine even Congres has to acknowldege it today !!

    So all u doubters… please acknowledge the line on freeing Congress from dynastic sycophancy…. otherwise the Bells toll again…..

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    The shortage in these programmes ( Judges / IPS/ Defence ) would always be there. Because the income level does not rise fast enough in these segments.

    If the recruitment in management Institutes falls this session, then the intake too falls next session. We have become that sensitive and touchy to our career options. People are now aware and switch options quickly because of the information boom through internet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The real issue is people leaving midway becasue of opportunity in pvt sector or becasue of harrasment in the sevice.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Growth never happens symmetrically. There will always be some element of asymetrical growth in different domains, hence some casualty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    Agree with you. Switching job has become very common practice.
    I being an employer I can tell from my experience that retaining staff
    has become much more dificult than it was about ten years ago.

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  • Anonymous

    Dark Hearts
    By George Monbiot

    http://www.monbiot.com/2012/04/23/dark-hearts/

    We British have a peculiar ability to blot out our colonial history.

    There is one thing you can say for the Holocaust deniers: at least they know what they are denying. In order to sustain the lies they tell, they must engage in strenuous falsification. To dismiss Britain’s colonial atrocities, no such effort is required. Most people appear to be unaware that anything needs to be denied.

    The story of benign imperialism, whose overriding purpose was not to seize land, labour and commodities but to teach the natives English, table manners and double-entry book-keeping, is a myth that has been carefully propagated by the right-wing press. But it draws its power from a remarkable national ability to airbrush and disregard our past.

    —————

    Read on.

    =============
    About the author

    http://www.monbiot.com/about/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    British were the biggest lousiest MFers of the world!

    Look at all the troubled ares – Pakistan/India, Pakistan/Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine, Iraq ……

    However, we should be thankful to them in one aspect – that they brought the contiguous areas of the country together under one flag that could easily function as a springboard and platform for the independence movement at the end of which there was one country instead of the numerous principalities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Since the topic of Britishers have come up, it gives me a chance
    to poke fun at them in my usual style.

    Message on condom vending machine in London

    Made as per highest British standards

    Someone wrote beneath that message – Was he an Indian?-

    So was the Titanic but it leaked.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Since the topic of Britishers have come up, it gives me a chance
    to poke fun at them in my usual style.

    Message on condom vending machine in London

    Made as per highest British standards

    Someone wrote beneath that message – Was he an Indian?-

    So was the Titanic but it leaked.

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  • Anonymous

    Pathak/Viju/Mohan/Shenoy/Mahadev

    The news about the large number of unclaimed bodies in Delhi is quite alarming. (link by Maghadev and Mohan)

    Is it organ harvesting as Shenoy and Viju suspect?

    How come it did not hit news in Delhi?

    Why is the press not running with this? (or may be they are; I hope someone is doing an investigative piece)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am definitely alarmed by the number. I wish I could get the detailed report how reached such a high number! But I must tell you there has not been any such major incidents that would warrant our attention. Perhaps finding body has become an usual affair. Though I am not attributing any motive, but many young girls from outside Delhi working in Noida/Gurgaon call centres live in Delhi and mostly get into live in relationships. I am aware of many cases through individual newspaper reports about the girl getting hacked when such relationships go sour. I am also will not be surprised about the organ harvesting considering the ever increasing greed of our honourable doctors

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  • Anonymous

    SO GLAD ABOUT MANREGA
    ____________(((((___________________
    Now poor man eats, his children are not going to grow up stunted, they will have intelligence from nutrients going into brain.
    I AM DELIGJTED, WE SIKHS PROVIDE FREE LANGAR
    All of u disappointed me with your callous disregard for poor mans hunger = Viju, Manohar, Ishwar, Pathak, Shenoy

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  • Anonymous

    SO GLAD ABOUT MANREGA
    ____________(((((___________________
    Now poor man eats, his children are not going to grow up stunted, they will have intelligence from nutrients going into brain.
    I AM DELIGJTED, WE SIKHS PROVIDE FREE LANGAR
    All of u disappointed me with your callous disregard for poor mans hunger = Viju, Manohar, Ishwar, Pathak, Shenoy

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised to find my name in your list. There is nothing wrong with the MGNREGA program.

    Only problem is that it’s UPA programme. Had it been an NDA programme, you would have seen different reactions here. And BJP-neutral Vijay would have come up with great wisdom stories like his current donkey series in support this program.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I would’nt knock Donkey stories, they seem to have knocked Naukar stories at least for now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised to find my name in your list. There is nothing wrong with the MGNREGA program.

    Only problem is that it’s UPA programme. Had it been an NDA programme, you would have seen different reactions here. And BJP-neutral Vijay would have come up with great wisdom stories like his current donkey series in support this program.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am surprised to find my name in your list. There is nothing wrong with the MGNREGA program.

    Only problem is that it’s UPA programme. Had it been an NDA programme, you would have seen different reactions here. And BJP-neutral Vijay would have come up with great wisdom stories like his current donkey series in support this program.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,

    You are comparing Langar with NREGA. Langar is a great social service
    provided by Sikhs all around the world. Government is not into social service,
    the objection to this scheme is that huge money spent on this scheme is not
    creating any assets, in a way money is being distributed almost freely. Ishwar
    has posted excerpts of an article which tells us the problems created by
    this scheme.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If the Govt. does not have social responsibilities, then who has ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How far can it go in the name of social responsibility?

    Can all the services like travel, food in restaurants, petrol, gas, movies be free in the name of social service?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Honestly yes, depending on the social condition at a particular time. Social responsibility is the primary responsibility of any Govt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Lovely :)

    To get all this for free, which button should I press when I go to vote next time?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Press the nuclear button of Pakistani missiles targeted at Delhi.

    If you survive, I promise you will have all of them free, atleast for sometime.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Press the nuclear button of Pakistani missiles targeted at Delhi.

    If you survive, I promise you will have all of them free, atleast for sometime.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    And from where will all this money come?
    Raising the taxes ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    And from where will all this money come?
    Raising the taxes ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Honestly yes, depending on the social condition at a particular time. Social responsibility is the primary responsibility of any Govt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    IMO goverments job is create employent through building
    infrastructure, policies with less red tape which should help
    small, medium and large industries to grow without many
    obstacles from government which will ensure jobs and
    most important something should be done to reduce
    corruption. I am sure auotmation, computirasion will
    help reduce corruption.

    Please listen to this audio and see the difference in amount
    collected by Gujarat on check post and the amount
    collect by bordering state. Gujarat collects five times more
    then the bordering state only because of automation.

    http://www.deeshaa.org/2012/04/26/rajesh-jain-at-the-india-business-conference-at-columbia-university/

    What I mean to say is that government should works towards
    these things which will not only improve the revenue of
    the government but also people will have less opportunities of giving/taking bribes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Stopping bribe and increasing revenue are just few of many responsibilities that any Govt. has. These are only few administrative responsibilities. Social responsibility is the primary one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    I am also talking about creating job opportunities and not giving away money
    in guise of offering employment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Creating the job opportunity is a continuous process. The impact is not instant. It’s easier to create that in cities where the infrastructure is already in place, but a little time consuming in rural areas. So there are methods to be employed to maintain the balance.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    That means you also believe in
    short term policies which government usualy adopts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There are short term , med term and long term objectives, policies, strategies and tactics. It’s never fit-one solution.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Creating the job opportunity is a continuous process. The impact is not instant. It’s easier to create that in cities where the infrastructure is already in place, but a little time consuming in rural areas. So there are methods to be employed to maintain the balance.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    I am also talking about creating job opportunities and not giving away money
    in guise of offering employment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Stopping bribe and increasing revenue are just few of many responsibilities that any Govt. has. These are only few administrative responsibilities. Social responsibility is the primary one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    IMO goverments job is create employent through building
    infrastructure, policies with less red tape which should help
    small, medium and large industries to grow without many
    obstacles from government which will ensure jobs and
    most important something should be done to reduce
    corruption. I am sure auotmation, computirasion will
    help reduce corruption.

    Please listen to this audio and see the difference in amount
    collected by Gujarat on check post and the amount
    collect by bordering state. Gujarat collects five times more
    then the bordering state only because of automation.

    http://www.deeshaa.org/2012/04/26/rajesh-jain-at-the-india-business-conference-at-columbia-university/

    What I mean to say is that government should works towards
    these things which will not only improve the revenue of
    the government but also people will have less opportunities of giving/taking bribes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The article does not talk bad about the programme. It just gives few indicators how to improve the programme. But the author has not distinguished between the policy and the local implementation. The responsibility of execution of the programme lies with the local authority.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One of the side-effects of NREGA is rise in inflation (for reasons known to you) and it has absolutely nothing to do with local implementation.

    You can’t have it both ways all the time – if it works, thank the central (read Sonia) govt., if it doesn’t hold the state govts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The phenomenal salary increase in BPO’s did not add to the inflation, but wages to villagers did?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tax payers money is used to pay the salary of BPO employees?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tax payers money is used to pay the salary of BPO employees?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    The points the author have raised are that this scheme does
    not create any assets and farmers are not able to get people
    at the time of harvest which leads to hiring people at higher
    wages and this creates inflation. If government is not able
    to address these issues then better stop this scheme.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Creating a village road, finishing the canal bank, digging the community pond, repairing the hospital and school buildings are the kind of jobs usually undertaken through this programme. The sanction for such pogrammes would usully take years if one has to deoend on the state / central Govt. If this is not empowerment of the local panchayat system then what is ? Now draw your own conclusion.
    I do agree they do not build 200 bed hospital with NREAGA payout, if you are looking at such asset creation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    The points the author have raised are that this scheme does
    not create any assets and farmers are not able to get people
    at the time of harvest which leads to hiring people at higher
    wages and this creates inflation. If government is not able
    to address these issues then better stop this scheme.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The article does not talk bad about the programme. It just gives few indicators how to improve the programme. But the author has not distinguished between the policy and the local implementation. The responsibility of execution of the programme lies with the local authority.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder ji,

    Welcome back, why do you keep disappearing?

    Community langar is a wonderful thing. A number of people support/finance something similar in their own way within their means. The govt. needs to go beyond it. It should facilitate/encourage people to acquire skills to earn their own livelihood. Else, we would end up at the same spot where a number of EU countries (including the GREAT Britain) are – where people refuse to work because they are better off on doles.

    Also, in a country like ours, the resources are limited and hence it should be employed a little more wisely and a scheme designed for the poor shouldn’t have big loopholes for loot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Agree with you . Government should not be doing charity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A parent buys few extra gift for the children when he gets Diwali bonus. He spends extra money on tuition for one child if the child is weak in studies in comparison to other children. That’s role of the head of the family and the Govt’s role is no different.

    Look at these things not from the point of view of a ’sibling rivalry’ , but with parental love and responsibilities. Then you will be at peace with yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Effects of movies which used to be made in fifties, sixties,
    and seventies? Liberalisation started in nineties
    and India adopted capitalism, are you hinting at
    going back to socialism with 90% taxes ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Frequent air travel, dining out in 5 star, movies in malls, IPL on plasma with a drink in hand have made us blind to the fact that a part of our country is like a polio affected child. Time we stopped sneering and travelled to one remote villages and see the digitl divide that exists. Perhaphs a remote village even in Gujarat might make us a little more considerate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Thank you panditji for the gyan.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    pathakji
    Agree with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My take – much of it has been said before.

    1. There is no such thing as a free lunch nor a cheap lunch.
    If you give something free to a person, this person is most likely not going to appreciate its worth and usefulness. OTOH, when one pays even a nominal amount , then ………………

    2. The primary responsibility of the governments is to create an environment (and a level field one at that right across the country), wherein the people have the skills and opportunities to earn a living and not beg for their next meal.

    3. How does it do that? By investing in infrastructure (that itself creates jobs) – like education, healthcare, power, (IMO) the most important – water security, etc.

    4. The above takes time and people cannot starve nor money can be just distributed. That is where schemes like NREGA come in, as people cannot starve today for future banquets. Of course, such schemes are not supposed to be permanent fixtures.

    5. There has been massive corruption and hanky-panky in its implementation, the state governments are the executing agencies. Having said that, nothing of this sort has been tried before and there are bound to be shortcomings and inefficiencies – let us say it is work-in-progress. These should be set right as we go along.

    6. Sharad Pawar has been complaining that NREGA during harvest seasons is causing labour shortages (Ishwar has pointed this out earlier), thus driving up the crop prices. A fair solution to this problem has to be found.

    7. In the name of controlling inflation, NREGA should not be stopped or curtailed. An empty stomach has no use of economics,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No disputes with 1-3.
    4. How could you stop such a scheme 10-20 years down the line when people become used to it i.e. more money for less work?
    5-6. Agree
    7. Thora senti hai – but would still agree. Inflation is only one of the side-effects. If implemented with honesty, the scheme has definite benefits for the rural poor.

  • Anonymous

    SO GLAD ABOUT MANREGA
    ____________(((((___________________
    Now poor man eats, his children are not going to grow up stunted, they will have intelligence from nutrients going into brain.
    I AM DELIGJTED, WE SIKHS PROVIDE FREE LANGAR
    All of u disappointed me with your callous disregard for poor mans hunger = Viju, Manohar, Ishwar, Pathak, Shenoy

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  • Anonymous

    This is for our resident Bachhus – Mohan

    Don’t drink – you have been warned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks for your concern but normally I am in this condition when I am not
    drunk.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks for your concern but normally I am in this condition when I am not
    drunk.

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  • Anonymous

    This is for our resident Bachhus – Mohan

    Don’t drink – you have been warned.

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  • Anonymous

    HUNGER, DYSNUTRITION, STUNTED GROWTH, STUNTED BRAINS, DISEASES
    ______________________________________________________________________________________
    Standards of blog have fallen. After my comment below, noone put himself in torn slippers of poor man in India to see he is fodder to be exploited, very cheap labour for building 1 crore apartments in NOIDA, while his kids live in slums near nallahs !!!
    I say Sonia did good with Manrega, gave an ounce of humanity to poor folk. Maybe their children will develop and become teachers or nurses
    ONCE AGAIN ALL OF YOU CALLOUS BLOGGERS disapointed me. What Drs Pankaj, BN Anand and Mishraji say about my amateur medical facts above, pl u opine

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I am not against dole. I am all for linking it to make people capable of self sustenance. Say give it to parents who make sure their kids attend school 100%,

    To people who are willign and come forward to learn basic trades in building and industrial work

    At the end of two years you will have a labour force willing to work and willing to become entrepreneurs.

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  • Anonymous

    Brahmin Yuvraj Rahul Gandhi has said to congress men that none will be spared
    for the loss in UP elections. I am wondering what punishment he will give them
    Unko muga banayega, he will ask them to kneel down or make them stand up on
    the bench with arms raised. What else can we expect from a dood peeta Amul boy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He should punish himself first for having such a team and for the campaign strategy in the first place.

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  • Anonymous

    Ashok,

    That box became small. Short term policies should be short term, not only on
    paper but in practice too. If I am not mistaken caste based job opportunities policy
    was suppose to be short term. Now we will wait for when this short tern NREGA policy
    will be scrapped. May be after 5-6 decades.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Simple. The new Govt formed by the opposition might just cancel this programme after 2014. It’s anyway too closely identified with the present Govt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For long term benefit the new Govt might just change the name of the programme! Who knows ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    (: (:

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    That is problem, becuase this scheme gets you votes and any political
    party will be wary of cancelling such scheme.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why do you think there has been well orchastrated campaign to descredit this? If not then UPA would have consolidate its position. The opposition to this programme is hugely political.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    In this case I am not talking about UPA or NDA.
    These policies normally look good on papers but
    the problem is its implentation. You can blame states
    for this but the fact is whether UPA or NDA both
    do not take any honest sincere stepts to implement
    these policies. These diging of wells, ponds
    building roads, repairing of hospitals is mostly on
    paper. If these jobs are properly done then this
    is a very good scheme, people get jobs, assets created
    infrastructure improves.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let us not view everything from a political perspective of winning next elections – now since all parties have blessed a program like this, how can it be implemented best for maximum benefits? Can govt learn something from business practices of test, pilot, trial etc.. Can a company such as Infosys that has implemented $ 1 billion dollar type projects affecting institutions across the globe, changing the “behavious” of tens of thousands of employees etc be helpful in executing? Can organizations like Sathya Sai Baba Seva who brought drinking water to the whole of Anantapur district assist? As I indicated, money is there (as the budget allocations). We, collectively as a nation, should be able to get closer to Mahathma Gandhi’s dream of village self sufficiency, if approached and dealt with properly. Otherwise, it will be another example of good money (tonnes of it!) thrown after bad money.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Pease change the last line. Good money is looted by bad people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan -

    That is true too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Money for these projects looks big because it’s marked for the whole country. India is not a small country. We know the hiccups Infosys, TCS or Wipro go through. They work in a controlled environment, yet stumble many time.

    The Govt does initiate everything with a pilot programme and then scales up. You don’t get to know about them because they are not big enough or debated by the political parties. I find it funny that most of guys tend to ridicule programmes without even trying to understand the details about them. Some describe NGREA as doles without even trying to know the basic framework of this programme.

    Let’s look at MGNGREA programme in Gujarat :

    The money is used for
    Water conservation and water harvesting, Drought Proofing Work, Micro irrigation channel, Provision of irrigation facility to SC/ST community, Renovation of traditional water bodies, Land development, Flood Protecting and Damage work, Rural road work etc

    It has total 4219536 job cards with more than 212693 households benefitting from the programme. More than 14556 disabled individuals got benefit in 2011-2012.

    If Gujarat and Narendra Modi could find this programme worthwhile , then perhaps few VOCAL BLOGGERS could also perhaps find it a little more than ‘Dole out’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The tragedy of India, may be all democratic countries, is that once you “giveth”, it is very difficult to “taketh” away.

    Hence the Western nations struggling with huge entitlements..

    We struggling with reservations that were supposed to be there only few decades..Govt employee benefits — plus more and more unorganized/unaffiliated sectors brought into some sort of benefit program…

    No sane govt of future will dare to stop the NREGA now it is embedded.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are partly right.
    By the way, is the student DTC pass in DU still at Rs.12/- ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok-

    The bus pass is a good example (well, Mamta’s train ticket price may be the best example- even after people were willing for a price increase, she torpedoed it)

    Vijay Kumar may be able to let us know about Delhi bus pass fro students there. I will bet that it is not changed (or changed to a lower base!)

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Shoeb the bus pass at 12.50 was good fun in 90’s. My dad told me the price was same in 1970.

    IT WAS ALL ROUTE ANY NUMBER OF TRIPS.
    I am not to sure about today. I beleve that soem fo the luxury buses were not honouring the passes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow! Mark the glee!!
    You enjoyed the subidised travel all your student days and never bothered how that money (accrued from the full fare) could be used in a better manner elsewhere.
    But you start cribbing the moment somebodyelse get some subsidy!
    I thought you have had a great vision for the society!

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is also great votary of subsidized petrol, diesel and LPG prices. An annual import bill of US$ 100+ billion is of no consequence to him. He fought a pitched battle last year with me on this.

    His great vision for the society!. Now that would be a great idea.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb-

    Just look at the Greek riots on their austerity program.

  • Anonymous

    Ashok/Mohan/Ishwar/Pathik

    Govt does not have a social responsibility; unless we abdicate it to elected reps, administrators etc.

    Govt does have a role to ensure education, infrastructure, healthcare etc is available through a proper taxation, debt, growth policy.

    European governments are on their knees for over-spent social programmes, albeit there are other reasons too.

    As they say in the west, teach people to fish, rather than giving them fish – easier said than done.

    As Mohan posed, can this huge amount of money be used in alternative ways to create permanent, sustainable opportunities? Is it finally possible to realize Mahathma Gandhi’s dream of self supporting villages? There is one piece – money. May not be enough, but a targeted spending, private-public partnership, dedicated NGOs and bureaucrats, committed villages etc may do the trick.

    Success of programs like this depend on phased approach. We should have selected few villages in poor states – UP, Bihar, WB to start with – bring them to certain level before moving to the next target.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Check with the most capitalist Govt of the world if it has any social responsibility or not.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    .You have articulated this very well. Thanks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It takes a minute to dream and a sentence to describe.
    But it takes ages to create resources to actualise that.

    It takes a lot to actualise Mahathma Gandhi’s dream of self supporting villages. One must not dither in between.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Well said.

    We need employment to go to the villages. This money could well have been used to create infrastructre near villages like

    a) Water harvesting and canals

    b) Housing

    Direct action of cash in extreme cases

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    The same money for NREGA could have been given in a more productive way. For example making parens who ensure that thier kids attend school in the poorest districts This would be a huge huge thing.

    Then tradesmen attending courses run by low budget government ventures.

    There is a vast difference between how the CHinese carpenter and mason work. They use their basic toosl like plumb, drill etc very well. The mason knows the cement mixes, then uses histrowel and plastering techniques in a scientific prefssional sequence.

    In india all this is only learnt thru experince and sadly a lot more can be taught.

    So the basic issue is that the money should have been incentive linked to promote education and also basic techniques for self sustenance.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Coming back to the topic of the blog. The presidential elections. SP’s support was essential for the Kalam story.

    And now Shahid Siddiqui of the SP says, “Kalam is NOT Muslim enough…he has not done enough for Islam…”

    Funny statement. But this effectively blocks Kalam’s chances…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    That is quite unfortunate.

    I can understand Shahid Siddiqui saying that. Then, what does it say about SP? More importantly, where does that leave Congress if SP has donned the Islam mantle. What will congress wear in the next elections?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    This is sad and bad. Kalam would have been a great uniter of parties… and of India.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    And before I crash of to sleep… a quick reminder of Why India needs to evolve beyond Family worship.

    Shrimati Rabri Devi has said that Bihar deserves and India deserves thier children as the next set of rulers.

    Why Not? Some may say after all Families rule s all over India and India itself.

    Or should there be a rule that a blood relation CANNOT inherit a party’s presidenthsip and CM seat for at least 10 years after the parent retires?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar/ Mahesh;
    Had to rush to west coast at very short notice, and got myself right in the eye of storm. Not running away from RSS issue, would certainly join it . Weekends are best but will chip in between too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We will wait for your valued responses.

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  • Anonymous

    Lots of good discussion on the direction of economy, alternate paths, need for a qualified consensus president etc. Iswar, please participate more.

    Going to sleep with a heavy heart – we just do not care about life in this country. Part of it may be due to our sense of fatality. Part of it may be due to the hard core ancestral time immemorial belief in fate.

    Women dying in childbirth on the opulent streets of Bangalore – An overloaded ferry capsizing killing hundreds. 860 unclaimed bodies in four months in New Delhi.. the list goes on.

    This happens in a country where politicians and bureaucrats across the spectrum steal and amass crores and crores and crores of public money. Just today a senior IPS guy was arrested for receiving 10 crore rupees from a defunct chit fund that cheated thousands of citizens.

    And you wonder why we are not aggressive against terrorism? Why would be, if we do not care about human lives?

    India will be what Indians will make it.

    Good night

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    Anonymous Reply:

    IMO,consensus on the election of the President is not a good idea – too many ‘compromises’ are made by all sides and one may not have an ideal person occupying the august office.Let there be a contest.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, most Indians know that they are “ghut ghut ke mar rahe hain” So a bullet from the AK 47 from fake Ravi or engrich, is good deliverance once for all.

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  • Anonymous

    amul

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    Anonymous Reply:

    2 spoon full before going to bed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    the Amul Baby is crying for Amul milk, not Amul butter.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you cheçk who was longing for Amul before going to bed?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since you have returned to the topic of Amul even after three hours, I take it that you are not averse to tasting the item yourself.

    Anonymous Reply:

    baby.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s nice to see an old man calling a middle aged man ‘baby’ and trying to console when the middle aged man craves for Amul late night.
    What love! Oh baby!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When Achutanandan called the yuvraj “AMUL BABY”, he was 80 years old!

    WHY? Because the middle aged man behaved like a spoilt kid crying for AMUL Ice cream!

  • Anonymous

    Lot of noise have been made here by bloggers about MGNGREA project terming it as vote bank politics and free dole-outs and the process straining their lives and comfort.

    Money for MGNGREA projects looks big because it’s marked for the whole country. India is not a small country.

    I find it funny that most of guys here tend to ridicule programmes without even trying to understand the details about them. Some describe NGREA as doles without even trying to know the basic framework of this programme.

    Let’s look at MGNGREA programme in Gujarat :

    The money is used for :
    Water conservation and water harvesting, Drought Proofing Work, Micro irrigation channel, Provision of irrigation facility to SC/ST community, Renovation of traditional water bodies, Land development, Flood Protecting and Damage work, Rural road work etc

    It has total 4219536 job cards with more than 212693 households benefitting from the programme. More than 14556 disabled individuals got benefit in 2011-2012.

    If Gujarat and Narendra Modi could find this programme worthwhile , then perhaps few VOCAL BLOGGERS could also find it a little more than ‘Dole out’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If Modi is involved, then it becomes a different ball game altogether to some of the bloggers here.

    Would love to see their views now. Will they be consistent or sing a different song or will there be a thundering silence?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pathak

    What will be the value of each payment and what criteria will be used to qualify a person.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    This was an interesting subject and I wanted to continue but for your emotional trap post. I come back after one hour and I notice that Modi has become part of this topic.
    Is that another trap?

    Good luck to you my dear, I think I should go to bed as tommorow is a weekend
    here and I have to stay awake till late tommorow evening.
    Good night .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There were no trap posts. They were just logical forward arguments.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    trap posts from a consummate trapeze artist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Trap?

    Depends upon how one has argued one’s case. If it has been discussed purely on the merits of the scheme, then this is no trap.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I was not talking about you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    I think you are capable of more intelligent assessment of these government sponsored programmes.

    Do not blindly support it because it has been authored by Sonoia Gandhi(!) and her so called National Advisory Council.

    There are so many concerned voices about the effectiveness of NREGS and also the ill-effects of the scheme on the unemployed. Sharad Pawar has in fact, given voice to one aspect of the dole.

    In the sixties Indira Gandhi lauinched her ‘Garibi Hatao’ scheme with a lot of fanfare and huge electoral gains, but the sum total of the whole thing was a big zero.

    Sonia Gandhi’s NREGA thing too is a big publicity stunt, despite success stories like Narendra Modi’s. He is, as in other things, an exception than a rule.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps Gujarat and Narendra Modi adopting NREGA is not good enough for you. You would not settle for anything less than 100%, I guess.

    Okay we will rename it to NMNREGA or NDANREGA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We may name the scheme “The Mahatma Dole” (TMD for short) for the rest of the country and for Gujrat, “Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guaranty Scheme”.(MGNREGS).

    How is that for re-naming, Pathakji?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps Gujarat and Narendra Modi adopting NREGA is not good enough for you. You would not settle for anything less than 100%, I guess.

    Okay we will rename it to NMNREGA or NDANREGA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So the point is?

    If the Modi govt. can ensure that worthwhile things could be done under MNREGA, it only strengthens the fact that if implemented properly and with honesty, it isn’t such a bad thing. He should be congratulated for having used the money in a productive way.

    The fact that it results in inflation, engages people in (relatively) less productive job and is prone to corruption elsewhere still can’t be denied.

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  • Anonymous

    What a wonderful evening we have had discussing various topics without any abuse, attempts to sow discord, labeling, taunts. Absence makes things so amiable.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Absolutely true….this because label makers are absent

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I know see the difference , When people dont attempt to divert attention along the path of MOdi Modi rape rape to make them singularly boring and futile.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Or equally Naukar this Troll that, Bora Bora this and IsI that.

    Remind you of any one in particular.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Those words fit you.
    In fact they describe you more than adequately.

    Ravi Reply:

    The ones that describe you are “Hindu Nazi”

    Ravi Reply:

    The ones that describe you are “Hindu Nazi”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Those words fit you.
    In fact they describe you more than adequately.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We can very well do without the disruptive element.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Disruptive big ideas are always welcome, but not disruptive elements.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some people have made self-delusion into a ‘fine art’. Who they think they are deluding?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As the blog master, Pathakji, you can do a lot to by being less disruptive and combative yourself, you can also reduce the censoring of some of the unpalatable posts.

    While fraternising with the anti-national elements like fake Ravi and engrich (whom you had yourself once thrown out for being anti-national and anti-Hindu) is OK for you and some of your side kicks here, some of us do not accept such things. But then you cannot also thrust such things down our throats.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What goes deep down your throat? – Your big disruptive idea?

    Anonymous Reply:

    For disruptive ideas, you must read St.Anthony’s report to the Rajmata on the UP election debacle.

    Anonymous Reply:

    No one has refuted my assertion. Speaks volumes about the disruptive element.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    you said :

    Well said.

    We need employment to go to the villages. This money could well have been used to create infrastructre near villages like

    a) Water harvesting and canals

    b) Housing

    ====================

    Please check what the NGREA money is marked for. It’s like saying they could use a little fizz in coke.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Well I’ll check this out. The impression I ahve of NREGA id the feedback I get from my workers and what I read iin the press

    from workers :

    a) there is substantial amount of easy money for doing literally nothing if you know the panchayat head.

    b) From media: The cost is high for the results achieved.

    My pwn view: We need poverty eradication schemes. Antyodya in the late 70s was a good beigning. It was scrapped by Mrs Gandhi then taken up again under a Jawhar Yojana.

    All scehmes have to be monitored well and should not be throwing money away as it leads to a huge burden. We can easly incentivise the schems by getting people to learn new skills or coiercing parents to ensure they send children to school to become eleigable.

    In the end the performing sectors of the economy– IT, Exports, Construction should bear the burden… but not in scuh a manner that they become handicapped and non performing

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  • Anonymous

    Good morning friends

    Heard a guy telling his friend

    Yaar ab haalat yeh hai ke biwi ke make up ka kharcha bardasht nahi hota aur
    make up ke bagair biwi bardasht nahi hoti.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    kiski biwi ki baat kar rahe ho?

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  • Anonymous

    Two grown men in London turn into tantrum-throwing children

    A disease called leukodystrophy which causes reverse aging.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/world/uk/two-grown-men-turn-into-tantrum-throwing-children-1.1017416

    Shan will find this news interesting.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    At whom are you pointing your fingers?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Guys you dont have to tell lies to topple me ! :)

    manohar has mentioned that I wanted more subsidy on petrol. Wow!!

    I was arging that our petro products are already overtaxed and instead of raising prices we can a) Investt more in elecric trains for goods transport

    b) reduce cetral taxes on Petrol as increase in fuel prices leads to iinflation.

    Unfortunately…. either deliberate or actual lack of comprehension makes him release ridculous statements. good he did nto get Modi into it.

    ———————————————————————-

    I was commenting that ti is ridiculous that DTC passes wer Rs 12.50 right from 1970 to 2000. And despite DTC making substantial losses. Pathak twisred the story to say I was gleefull, Brother I was amazed and felt it to be stupid that akk route passes needed such heavy subsidy.

    I am sure you can debate better PathakG

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I guess lieing was too strong a word… let me change it to creative stories !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    HERE IS A PIECE OF LYING OR CREATIVE STORY-TELLING
    ==================++++++++++++++=====================

    BBC’s India correspondent, Soutik Biswas changes his story on Gujrat within 6 hours!

    His original story, “IS GUJRAT’S RED HOT ECONOMY A MYTH?” disappeared from the internet and now he says, “GUJRAT IS (INDEED) A RED HOT ECONOMY:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17919364

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Thanks for the link. We have seen that there are certain
    reporters who will leave no chance to critisize Gujarat and Modi. They would not even think twice about twisting the figures if it suits them. Sometimes I wonder whether they
    even consider Gujarat has part of India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have read a few from him in the past. I don’t find his writings worth my time any more – too predictable and one-sided.

  • Anonymous

    M M R R

    BJP trips Narendra Modi fund-raising drive

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/BJP-trips-Narendra-Modi-fund-raising-drive/articleshow/12973178.cms

    Slowdown is not just affecting targets of industrial houses. It has cast a shadow on political parties too. Chief minister Narendra Modi’s ambitious scheme to raise Rs 500 crore for the forthcoming elections, Dhan Sangrah, has met with stiff resistance from all quarters – so far only Rs 150 crore have come to the party’s kitty.

    On Wednesday, most office-bearers of state BJP expressed their concerns over raising money from businessmen and common citizens in such an economic climate. Modi had launched the scheme on February 11.

    “The target seems inflated and unreasonable. Secondly, all those who donate generously run a risk of being hounded by IT sleuths,” said a BJP leader who did not want to be identified. “A minister’s salary is Rs 45,000 per month and he is expected to contribute Rs 11 lakh. How will he justify the donation to IT department,” he said.

    ———

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More M M R R

    ‘Assaulted’ in Gujarat, Congress MP weeps in Delhi

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_assaulted-in-gujarat-congress-mp-weeps-in-delhi_1683793

    The 57-year old MP Prabha Kishor Taviad and two MLAs were detained in Dahod town on Tuesday, as chief minister Narindra Modi descended there for celebration of the state’s foundation day. He also showered schemes of Rs903 crores on the tribal-dominated district.

    The MP, who is also a practising doctor, broke down while mentioning how she was allegedly manhandled by state police. Congress MP Girija Vyas narrated the humiliation on Taviad’s behalf. The police, Vyas claimed, detained Taviad as soon as she stepped out of her house despite showing her invitation card for the function, dragged her by hair into a jeep and left her at a far-away town of Halol and did not provide medical treatment despite repeated requests.

    ———–

    Opposition leader Sushma Swaraj also intervened and said she would speak to the chief minister and get back to the House on the incident.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “most office-bearers of state BJP expressed their concerns over raising money from businessmen and common citizens in such an economic climate”.

    These office bearers do ‘not know’ what they are talking about. Gujarat is growing at a ‘furious’ pace. What ‘economic climate’ are they talking about? Modi must tell them the ‘reality’ and get them to collect the balance dough asap.

    ——–

    “A minister’s salary is Rs 45,000 per month and he is expected to contribute Rs 11 lakh”.

    He must ask the great man himself to tell him how. He need not worry. If he is around, how dare the IT department poke its long nose in …………….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “most office-bearers of state BJP expressed their concerns over raising money from businessmen and common citizens in such an economic climate”.

    These office bearers do ‘not know’ what they are talking about. Gujarat is growing at a ‘furious’ pace. What ‘economic climate’ are they talking about? Modi must tell them the ‘reality’ and get them to collect the balance dough asap.

    ——–

    “A minister’s salary is Rs 45,000 per month and he is expected to contribute Rs 11 lakh”.

    He must ask the great man himself to tell him how. He need not worry. If he is around, how dare the IT department poke its long nose in …………….

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you opinionating, reporting, what-ifing…

    Has he violated law…

    Did he promise quid pro quo…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just pointing out the reality and having some ‘fun’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and what is the reality – that the bureaucracy (IT dept in this case) will not do anything going against him

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have I to explain everything? BTW, IT dept is a side show.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have I to explain everything? BTW, IT dept is a side show.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and what is the reality – that the bureaucracy (IT dept in this case) will not do anything going against him

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps he is encouraging others to violate laws. Just that he wants his own hands clean.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But are you not the ones who have been telling the world his hands are soaked in blood?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps he is encouraging others to violate laws. Just that he wants his own hands clean.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you opinionating, reporting, what-ifing…

    Has he violated law…

    Did he promise quid pro quo…

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  • Anonymous

    HEART BREAKING NEWS FOR MANU ZINGVI AND HIS FANS ON THIS BLOG
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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    One line has been removed. It said that everyone have advised their
    Wives, sisters and daughters to not to go near Singhvi.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    great!

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    Is it real or facebookie?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    For those who may have missed the following HINDU NAZI message

    Nationalizer Enemy Watch

    Children of Bharatma, who are Hindus, because we live,love,worship the sacred holy land between the HImalayas and INDUmahasagar.

    Description
    Exposing the enemies of our Nation. If they try to shackle her, we shall defend her with our life.

    Children of Bharatma, who are Hindus, because we live,love,worship the sacred holy land between the HImalayas and INDUmahasagar.
    Description
    Exposing the enemies of our Nation. If they try to shackle her, we shall defend her with our life.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    For those who may have missed the following HINDU NAZI message

    Nationalizer Enemy Watch

    Children of Bharatma, who are Hindus, because we live,love,worship the sacred holy land between the HImalayas and INDUmahasagar.

    Description
    Exposing the enemies of our Nation. If they try to shackle her, we shall defend her with our life.

    Children of Bharatma, who are Hindus, because we live,love,worship the sacred holy land between the HImalayas and INDUmahasagar.
    Description
    Exposing the enemies of our Nation. If they try to shackle her, we shall defend her with our life.

    [Reply]

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    ——————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~ MORE LESSONS FROM DOnKEYS ~~ what men can learn … ~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    As I prepare to lower myself into a 30 ft pit… where the net does not work, here are a few thigns I learnt from donkeys. I hope it gives enough fodder to my friends to spin some nice creative stories. On my part… I have learnt that the most mundane situations can be made interesting in case your brain and enthusiasm is up to it.

    Here are a few things which I propose to learn from my donkey friends

    a) The perfume industry can surely learn a few tricks, And so can men and women. Male donkeys could SMELL out a female without seeing her.

    So all you girls reading this. Always smell fresh and nice… the first way to sustain a male’s interest.

    b) the donkeys did not leave hydrocarbon resiue and polluting the air as my JCB’s do. Thye instead left dung after eating grass on the way. So a message to the Engineers.
    Clean power. Maybe bio fuel and solar…

    c) They way the donkey balanced over loose mud and terrain… is a lesson for machinery designers for incoproating gyroscopic action and evolving rapidly changing centre fo gravities.

    Like I said, the donkeys have a lot to teach us.

    So let me see what more I can learn today…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    VIJU

    I have serious concern whether your clients get 100% of you when they hire you…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am also worried about my clients! I have two very good hardworking partners in business. I handle one part… ideas, client negotiations, creating systems of work… and at times technical.

    Since my clients and partners have still not throttled my throat yet… I guess i will survive!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    His clients will definitely get 100% of the donkeys!

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    ‘AIIMS director travels 6,500 km per month’

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/AIIMS-director-travels-6-500-km-per-month/Article1-849766.aspx

    Three times the 2,200km distance between Delhi and Mumbai is how much the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) director travels in his two official cars every month.

    Records of the past two years obtained from the AIIMS transport office show that Dr RC Deka’s two cars burn an average of 650 litres of fuel every month. If each car’s average mileage is 10km per litre, which is considered a poor run, the director needs to have travelled 6,500km every month.

    ———

    This is but ‘natural’ when the director travels by car from one ward to another. So why this ‘hoopla’? ;-)

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    ‘AIIMS director travels 6,500 km per month’

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/AIIMS-director-travels-6-500-km-per-month/Article1-849766.aspx

    Three times the 2,200km distance between Delhi and Mumbai is how much the All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) director travels in his two official cars every month.

    Records of the past two years obtained from the AIIMS transport office show that Dr RC Deka’s two cars burn an average of 650 litres of fuel every month. If each car’s average mileage is 10km per litre, which is considered a poor run, the director needs to have travelled 6,500km every month.

    ———

    This is but ‘natural’ when the director travels by car from one ward to another. So why this ‘hoopla’? ;-)

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Manohar

    What is your rationale behind having a contested Presidency rather than a consensus candidate?

    Isnt it better to have a consensus acceptable hero as a symbol of the country ,, isnt it better not to have one from active politics and rather have one from outside (say Narayan Moorthy as an example) and would n/shouldntt a person like that be acceptable to all..

    We should abolish this nonsense when we amend the constitution next …

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    When a party (in this case the Congress) is trying to build a consensus, surely the parties who are coming on board are cutting deals with the Congress, which the public are not aware of. For example, to get Mayawati on their side, the Congress may have agreed to go slow with the corruption cases against her. Who knows what other murky and dirty deals are being worked out behind closed doors. Surely, that is not acceptable.

    By publicly building a consensus, what are the parties are trying to demonstrate – that they are united in some noble endeavour – electing a President? Nothing can be further from the truth.

    If at all there is a candidate against whom there may not be any opposition from any quarter, the best thing is to announce his candidature and wait for everyone to propose and second his name. Is there a such person? Not that I know of, given the state of our divided polity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is where political deftness etc becomes useful. If I were Sonia, I will ask 3-4 esteemed people if they will be interested .. assuming they re interested, I will discuss with each party leader whether they would consider one from that list , if not whether they have a similar candidate.

    This is a grand opportunity for sonia and co to redeem and reposition for 2014.
    But they will screw this as they have shown time and again by putting a tired Pranab or a safe Ansari etc(Viju reported that SP has already declared Kalam is not Islam enough!)

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are unnecessarily putting an halo around Sonia Gandhi and other politicians. None of them are as holy as you wish they were. There is a war going on given the hostility between various political parties. Who can extract how much out of the pie – that is the name of the game. Let us not live in a fool’s paradise. If there is a genuine consensus, even I would be delighted, but alas it is not going to be.

    One should also look at it from the elected president’s point of view. In case of consensus, he knows that too many compromises have been made to get him where he is and that has nothing to do with his own qualities and accomplishments – anyone else in his place would have been elected too, so what is the big deal. He/she would be more at peace with himself/herself if he/she wins in a fair contest.

    IMO, Dr. Kalam’s chances were dashed by the BJP by going public too soon – they should have waited for the Congress to tell the world who their candidate is. Once they did, then all parties ideologically opposed to the BJP have refused to play ball – they probably have nothing against him per se. You are always right – they really work overtime.

    This election will be a pointer to as to who sleeps with whom in 2014.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    When a party (in this case the Congress) is trying to build a consensus, surely the parties who are coming on board are cutting deals with the Congress, which the public are not aware of. For example, to get Mayawati on their side, the Congress may have agreed to go slow with the corruption cases against her. Who knows what other murky and dirty deals are being worked out behind closed doors. Surely, that is not acceptable.

    By publicly building a consensus, what are the parties are trying to demonstrate – that they are united in some noble endeavour – electing a President? Nothing can be further from the truth.

    If at all there is a candidate against whom there may not be any opposition from any quarter, the best thing is to announce his candidature and wait for everyone to propose and second his name. Is there a such person? Not that I know of, given the state of our divided polity.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Manohar

    What is your rationale behind having a contested Presidency rather than a consensus candidate?

    Isnt it better to have a consensus acceptable hero as a symbol of the country ,, isnt it better not to have one from active politics and rather have one from outside (say Narayan Moorthy as an example) and would n/shouldntt a person like that be acceptable to all..

    We should abolish this nonsense when we amend the constitution next …

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    You mentioned “sometimes they make it look like Gujrat is not a part of India”..

    I hope that is an unintended consequence.

    But the same thing happens at various levels – pitching one against the other.

    What happened in Sri Lanka should be a lesson that all countries in the world should be constantly cognizant of.

    Sinhalese were made to look like they were not part of Sri Lanka. We all know the sad and brutal ending of that.

    Digryodhan Singh et al should be very careful….btw he is silent these days..kya hua…Is he in the dohghouse

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    You are right that one should be careful when one talk about an Indian state.
    Yes, riots happened in Gujarat a very unfortunate and very sad episode.
    Cases are in the court and some people have already been punished.
    Please hang Modi if he is found guilty. Meanwhile, if some people have a
    problem acknowledging some good happening in Gujarat at least do not
    refute or dismiss that just because Modi is CM of Gujarat. This has
    become like a personal grudge against Modi. How much hounding can a
    person take.?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    when things get tough, tough ones get going.. It is India’s destiny to have Modi at the apex to usher her to prosperity and peace.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Relax. He is going to win 2012 elections. He needs the money for the elections. He like any other politician will not win simply by love, admiration and fresh air. He needs the rupees. There is no such thing as a free election.

    Gopi is right. When it gets tough, the tough get going. Modi is far stronger than you think he is.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    You are right that one should be careful when one talk about an Indian state.
    Yes, riots happened in Gujarat a very unfortunate and very sad episode.
    Cases are in the court and some people have already been punished.
    Please hang Modi if he is found guilty. Meanwhile, if some people have a
    problem acknowledging some good happening in Gujarat at least do not
    refute or dismiss that just because Modi is CM of Gujarat. This has
    become like a personal grudge against Modi. How much hounding can a
    person take.?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sinhalese were made to look like they were not part of Sri Lanka. We all know the sad and brutal ending of that.

    Did you mean Tamilians instead of Sinhalese? If latter, care to elaborate?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I meant Sinhalese…

    Antony echoed similar statements when the Marad murders happened in kerala..He was striped off his CMship, instead of rewarding his boldness and frankness

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    A question.

    “Sinhalese were made to look like they were not part of Sri Lanka”.

    By whom? I would appreciate a detailed background to this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    now this congressi troll will ask you, “Is Marad in India?”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    “Is India in Marad”?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    St.Anthony has just given his inquiry repost to the Rajmata about the humiliating debacle the party suffered under the twin leadership of the Yuvraj and Digvinash Singh.

    St.Anthony being a man who can kill with a smile on his face, has held everybody except the yuvraj responsible for the voters deserting the party in huge numbers.

    He has particularly taken exception to the reservation fiasco and the Batla House battle, where Rajmata wept copiously looking at the photos of Inspector Sharma shooting innocent Azmis.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake tears produced a real result.

    I think we should supply onions as standard canvassing kit to some of these fake tears wala trolls and aunties.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, looks like Digryodhan is in the dog house for the time being…may be Rajmata has asked him to keep a low profile

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    You mentioned “sometimes they make it look like Gujrat is not a part of India”..

    I hope that is an unintended consequence.

    But the same thing happens at various levels – pitching one against the other.

    What happened in Sri Lanka should be a lesson that all countries in the world should be constantly cognizant of.

    Sinhalese were made to look like they were not part of Sri Lanka. We all know the sad and brutal ending of that.

    Digryodhan Singh et al should be very careful….btw he is silent these days..kya hua…Is he in the dohghouse

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  • Anonymous

    where are Rizwan, Pervez

    what happened to Rajiv, Ashish

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    these boys are weak hearted. They were put off by the spate of censoring that was going on here. It is only brave hearts like us who have carried on in spite of attacks on our freedom of expression.

    Now that St.Pathak (very much like St.Patrick) is in charge, we may expect to be treated leniently and let off for minor violations of the code of conduct.

    You may please give a call to these friends NOT to stay away from the blog any more.

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  • Anonymous

    Actors are playing cricket,
    Cricketers are playing politics,
    Politicians are watching and acting in porn
    and porn stars are becoming actors.

    Mera Bharat Mahan.

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  • Anonymous

    Kissing at top
    Holding at middle
    Fire at bottom

    Guess ?

    You people have a dirty mind

    It’s a cigarette.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Dirty mind’ hai to duniyaa hai, naa ki raam naam japne se.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress spokesperson Renuka Chowdhury told reporters that “it will never be easy to leave Pranab da. He is such a valuable person for us in the party. His contribution to the party cannot be even measured. For him it will not seem to be fair…but he has such an active political mind. He is too involved and knows politics so well.

    I have always felt that the Promoter family of the Congress shall never trust Pranab Mukerjee. The Congress shall go for Hamid Ansari , a Muslim from UP and a Julaha ( Julahas ( weavers) are the lowest rung in the caste hierarchy of the Muslims). Shall do as told and shall also be appreciated by the Muslims . What political benefit can Pranab bring to the Congress ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pranabda put his hand up… after Indiraji’s death. The Rajiv gandhi team pretty much sidelined him then.

    Has that been forgotten?

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  • Anonymous

    A candle in the dark

    Not many people know them but village-based Dalit writers in Uttar Pradesh are quietly raising community awareness and holding meetings to protest the recent escalation in violence against the Scheduled Castes.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/article3377562.ece?homepage=true

    Makhdumpur is a village in Uttar Pradesh’s Bhadohi district. Adjoining it is a cluster of huts inhabited by people of the Nat caste, one of the lowest among Dalits. Congress party general secretary Rahul Gandhi visited a hut in the settlement just before the recent State Assembly elections. He spent some time inside the hut, interacted with the residents, shared a meal with them and then went on his way. After the victory of the Samajwadi Party (SP) and the elevation of Akhilesh Yadav as Chief Minister, the hut was vandalised and burnt down by a mob claiming its affiliation to the Yadav caste. Though the act was a grave offence against Dalits, neither Mr. Gandhi nor Bahujan Samajwadi Party (BSP) leader and former Chief Minister Ms Mayawati condemned it. In fact, atrocities against poor and vulnerable Dalits by powerful middle castes and supporters of the SP have been on the rise in the State but there have hardly been any protests by political parties.

    —————

    So, who are these protestors? They are Dalit intellectuals who write popular booklets on Dalit issues, which they self-publish. These publications are sold in large numbers in fairs organised in honour of Dalit heroes. They are also stocked by Dalit Chetna Mandaps — small bookshops catering exclusively to Dalits. From these outlets, the booklets (which are printed on cheap newsprint and cost between 50 paise and Rs.20) reach political rallies organised by the BSP. The literature can be easily tucked in the waistbands of dhotis worn by Dalit rickshawpullers or menial workers.

    ———-

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    A standard & poor way of remote control
    Sunanda Sen -
    retired as Professor of Economics, Jawaharlal Nehru University)

    With their predictions and unsolicited policy advice, international credit rating agencies are seeking to erode India’s national autonomy in economic policy making.

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3377585.ece?homepage=true

    The reasons behind the downgrade, as provided by the Singapore-based credit analyst of S&P, Takahira Ogawa, include the country’s widening fiscal deficit and external accounts, the drop in its GDP growth rate and the uncertain political climate of the country. For the country to “stabilise,” as put specifically by Mr. Ogawa, there is a need “… to reduce fiscal deficits, and improve investment climate … (with) an efficient use of subsidies on fuel and fertilizers … (also)… an early implementation of the goods and service tax”. He warns that there exists a “one-in-three” possibility of a further downgrade of India’s credit rating to “junk bond” status if conditions do not improve.

    ————

    In our judgment, it is politically as well as ethically wrong on the part of S&P to push a package, not only with a biased credit rating but also with specific instructions relating to the “right” tax-subsidy and fiscal balance. After all, a sovereign nation with a democratically elected parliamentary system cannot afford to follow policies dictated by such financial agencies.

    The pattern reminds one of India’s conditional borrowings from the International Monetary Fund, which at least had more legitimacy as an international financial institution. Also, India finally ended the arrangement under public pressure from within.

    Let us hope the country defies the threats and ignores the advice from self-appointed financial mediators like S&P who are trying to use their remote-control apparatus on us while having no legitimacy or track record to justify their actions.

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    While I am against oligopolies such as S/P, Fitch , and Moody to declare their “opinions” against sovereign nations and their economies, I am of the opinion that all countries, especially a corruption ridden outfit like ours, need these outside parties to pass their conclusions.

    Also, it is a dangerous assumption that our political leaders will do the right thing. Things would have continued in the deep rat hole if IMF had not forced the Indian hands.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb

    It depends how much importance is given by the world at large to the ratings and opinions by these agencies.

    In our case, we did not need them to tell us what they told us. Our political parties are so involved in BPS(*) wars, that there has been a policy paralysis – given the divided polity. One upmanship is the name of the game.

    To make things worse, the present Government is making things even worse – enacting laws with retrospective effect just to ‘teach’ one Telcom company a lesson, without realising that there will no students left to impart similar education.

    Our politicians are forgetting the fact India is not the only destination where money is waiting to be invested.

    On the sidelines, in this particular case, the question to ask – was the analysis by this person in their Singapore office reviewed by his peers? Recall the downgrading of USA some months ago, the poor fellow lost his job – how dare did he chose to speak the ‘truth’.

    * Brownie Point Scoring.

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  • Anonymous

    DMK has decided not to field a candidate against Jaya’s AIDMK in Pudukottai assembly seat bye election. Jaya’s candidate will breeze through the election with 95% votes now that there is no opposition candidate.

    The dead MLA belonged to CPI; the seat was held by DMK continuously until two elections ago.

    Karunanidhi is a dead man walking. It is endearing and satisfying to note that the family political business is crumbling when the so called king is still alive. Citizenry wise up eventually.

    Vijay – you should take some solace from this. Although, the Congress family ownership may have a bit more longevity, may be through the 2014 elections. I think it will be zilch after that..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is good news. I always wish we get away form this funny business of being family naukers.

    However some funny things have happened. Rabri has announced that Lalu and sons will be taken over by their eleven sons and daughters. Now Nitish is a decent guy and will not get his son in.

    In the long race, Lalu and sons will win as they will still use their communal and caste politics as a counterpoint to Nitish and cash in one day becasue of anti-incumbency.

    At the centre we have seen a pretty aggressive Roberrtji putting up his hand to claim the mantle as Rahul does not have a progeny around trhe corner. It is to be seen how many Congressis gather around him and start their sycophancy with him at teh centre.

    I would politely ask Pathak ji and Manohar ji on what their stance would be in case the COngress calls for the dynamic leadership of Robert G…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar will be elated
    Pathak will be deflated
    Other cronies will feel cheated.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That state has always been extreme. Sometimes AIIDMK vanishes, another time it’s DMK. The politics over there has never been balanced. I have never tried to invest on any Govt sponsored project there. The risk has always been very high with policy drastically changing ith the change of the Govt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is a fantastic claim. In Nehru’s words, a fantastic nonsense.

    The Madras state and later TamilNadu has always had good, efficient administrations, whatever the ruling party gave it.

    There has been bitter and fratricidal rivalry between the two parties, DMK and AIADMK, ever since MGR split from the parent party to form the ANNA DMK.

    But the state has not suffered in any manner. It is leading in the many parameters of growth, Its IT and Automobile Industries being two premier segments.

    Why is the politics not balanced in Tamilnadu, when you were very sanguine with the aaya Rams and gaya Rams in Haryana and Lalu installing his thumb-impression wife as CM in Bihar or Shibu Soren’s murderous shananigans in Jharkhand?

  • Anonymous

    The Four Cats

    Four men were bragging about how smart their cats were.
    The first man was an Engineer,
    The second man was an Accountant,
    The third man was a Chemist, and andd…
    The fourth man was a Government Employee.

    To show off, the Engineer called his cat, “T-square, do your stuff.”

    T-square pranced over to the desk, took out some paper and pen and promptly drew a circle, a square, and a triangle.

    Everyone agreed that was pretty smart.

    But the Accountant said his cat could do better. He called his cat and said,
    “Spreadsheet, do your stuff.”

    Spreadsheet went out to the kitchen and returned with a dozen cookies. He divided them into 4 equal piles of 3 cookies.
    Everyone agreed that was good.

    But the Chemist said his cat could do better. He called his cat and said, “Measure, do your stuff.”
    Measure got up, walked to the fridge, took out a quart of milk, got a 10 ounce glass from the cupboard and poured

    Exactly 8 ounces without spilling a drop into the glass.
    Everyone agreed that was pretty good.

    Then the three men turned to the Government Employee and said, “What can your cat do?”

    The Government Employee called his cat and said, “Coffee Break, do your stuff.”
    Coffee Break jumped to his feet…….

    Ate the cookies……..

    Drank the milk…..

    Sh*t on the paper…….

    Screwed the other three cats……..

    Claimed he injured his back while doing so.

    Filed a grievance report for unsafe working conditions…….

    Put in for Workers Compensation………………and

    Went home for the rest of the day on sick leave…………

    AND THAT, MY FRIEND IS WHY EVERYONE WANTS TO
    WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A good joke. Particularly the ******** part.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I just cut and pasted a mail sent by an exasperated government officer !

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar

    I had articulated

    4. The above takes time and people cannot starve nor money can be just distributed. That is where schemes like NREGA come in, as people cannot starve today for future banquets. Of course, such schemes are not supposed to be permanent fixtures.

    You wondered.

    4. How could you stop such a scheme 10-20 years down the line when people become used to it i.e. more money for less work?

    The scheme will slowly peter out wherever there is prosperity. Take for example, people from villages (and the surrounding areas) like Hiware Bazaar, Ralegaon Siddhi (Anna Hazare’s village), Shirpur Taluka, Dhule District, Maharashtra (just to name three), which have transformed themselves into prosperous enclaves and where the incomes are so high, would not be interested in NREGA. BTW: Hiware Bazaar (Ahmednagar district) has the highest GDP in the country.

    So your fears are probably unfounded.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Lets hope that it doesn’t go the reservation way which no political party can roll back. Also, I loved the way Modi’s Gujrat and Anna Hazare’s Ralegaon Siddhi has been invoked to defend NREGA – not that I mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a saying -
    I don’t like mango, because I never tasted it.

    -

    Few bloggers here were going berserk about utility of the NREGA programme. To cut the discussion short it was pointed out how Gujarat and Narendra Modi were grabbing this project and the funding with both hands.

    I was waiting for ( a day to) you guys to start bragging about how Gujarat is doing a great job of NGREA.

    The budget utilisation of this programme is as good or better elsewhere. Hope you guys would start digging that data on your own. It will enrich the discussion.

    I am glad it does not take much to educate our blogger friends here. Just a paragraph and one name , the crowd starts dispersing to all corners!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    They have indeed dispersed, so scared they are to discuss him – kahi.n pol naa khul jaaye.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Whan you have made a claim contrary to what has been attributed to Gujarat and Modi with facts, Pathakji, we expect you to come back with verifiable facts on your presently airy claim.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “Airy claim” is passe. The latest is “HAIRY CLAIM” !

  • Anonymous

    Pakistan wants to try the doctor (who informed US about bin Laden hide-out) for treason!
    Also, they are banning all charity – save the child, polio vaccination pgm, etc etc – for the fear that all are spies!

    Mullahs Land is finally there!

    Today’s NY Times -

    -http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/world/asia/bin-laden-raid-fallout-aid-groups-in-pakistan-a

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  • Anonymous

    All

    Those who may be interested

    ProPoor:Serving South Asia

    http://www.propoor.org/

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar-
    Regarding rating agencies, foreign investment etc…news from today;s Wall Street Journal:

    “”Honeywell International’s chairman said India’s labyrinthine bureaucracy and aggressive regulation and tax policies are vexing foreign investors and will divert investment to China and elsewhere”
    “foreign companies are starting to become scared here” , David M Cote, the chairman, said in an interview here in India’s financial capital. “they are starting to say, ‘what i am I doing here?”
    —————————————————————————————————————-
    “I worry that the bureaucracy is becoming stultifying in India, he said. “my frustration with India is, while it grows at 7% a year, it could be growing at 11% or 12%”
    ——————————————————————————————————————–
    “you have to be willing to outlast the bureaucracy. Keep doing the same thing over and over again, just to get something done”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    The bureaucratic hurdles have been there since independence, if not earlier. One may even argue that it is better to be cautious than jump headlong and then repent & rue.

    Since 1990s when economy was opened and many of the ‘artificial’ roadblocks were removed., we have been growing at rates up to 10%+, in spite of the bureaucrats.

    As I see it, the problem is political and not bureaucratic, I have articulated in my reply to Shoeb.

    The UPA-1 was hamstrung by the Comrades and yet …
    The UPA-2 has such ‘co-operative’ allies like Mamta and others opposing policies for the sake of opposing, forgetting that many of the policies were initiated by the opponents when they themselves were in power.

    Another point to be noted is the fact that so many scams have come out in the public domain in the last two years with scores of bureaucrats have been booked/arrested (rightly so). The result that they are reluctant to push decisions even in good faith and without any extraneous considerations, lest they be hauled up at a later date for some ‘wrong doing’. There is a fear psychosis prevailing. Recently, the Prime Minister advised them not to be scared in doing their jobs.

    The primary fault is with the political leadership.

    Of course, it would be wonderful if there were less bureaucratic roadblocks and if there is a will on part of the political leadership then there will be none or much less. Isn’t Nitish Kumar and Modi working working with the same type of bureaucrats and the culture they bring along?

    ——–

    Tailpiece: The bureaucrats are there to stop any ‘hair-raising’ and ‘hare-brained’ ideas the politicians may come up with. ;-)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    It will be a shame to lose “India’s time”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Probably we have until the next general elections in 2014 or whenever earlier.

    The dilemma the UPA faces : stability – vs – economic reforms. Stability seems to be winning at the moment, as the opposite camp does not have the numbers either to form an alternative government.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Quite true.

    This country is an accident case. A bankruptcy, a sleepy eyed non interfering, low keyPM an accident of history as no Parivar wala had yet put up his hand.

    Some IMF prescriptions and a Brilliant Finance Minister.

    But the socialist side of old India and the bureaucracy will kill the spirit. MOst parties are family concerns, whose love of own progress is more than that of the country’s well being.

    I hope new India can demolish the bureaucratic India

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay kumar-

    Pick up your pretty (and talented) ones!
    We are cool!

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/south-asian-a-capella-groups-fuse-bollywood-and-pop/

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thx for the link ! Very interesting

    Reminds me of college days .of being on the stage as a lyric writer (failed actually)

    I wonder how the young Indian Americans react to Bollywood as the songs in film concept wold be alien…

    I wish India could have more non filmi pop and fusion as Bollywood music — good as it is == is limited by teh situation of the film.

    But good aritcle..

    ,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a Utopian idea, a long way off from becoming reality. It has been tried before and not worked.

    In India, people like to see the songs enacted on screen and then the tune is coupled with the acting for it to become a hit or a miss.

    Whereas, classical music, including the hybrid varieties, are popular as audio tapes and CDs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Non filmy pop and fusion as Bollywood music?

    More hockey like strokes in IPL matches?

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  • Anonymous

    Pakistan tries the CIA informant (about bin Laden’s hiding place) for treason!
    Bans all charity groups – polio, Save the child et..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/world/asia/bin-laden-raid-fallout-aid-groups-in-pakistan-are-suspect.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, only Pakistanis will be this smart to let its people die rather than letting Western charities take care of the people saving a few..

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar, (Ishwar, Vijay, Shoeb others)

    Regarding the foreign investment/economy outlook expressed by the Honeywell CEO:

    Has the foreign investment in Gujrat slowed? Is there any published state specific impact?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Unfortunately the centre goes out of the way to be unfair to Gujarat. Just heard Meenakshi Lekhi on TV that Pranab Mukherji has instructed banks to stop giving loans in Gujarat. If ti is true it is a real real shame.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How can we have such a man as a Presidential candidate? He should be opposed for the sake of democracy.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    well I hope Ms Lekhi is incorrect. If it is correct… it is damning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Meenakshi Lekhi is good looking.
    But are her facts good too?

    Anonymous Reply:

    At least the act is good.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaaaaahaaaa!

    Pathakji, I think you played this card a bit too soon.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    But seriously speaking foreign companies go where investment climates are smooth. You put in the money… and then take it out. Right now we had a good climate. But now with scams coming out of every cornere, all are scared.

    Actually it jsut re3quires frim governance and some sort of fast track laws procddures that people are assured that scams wont screw up the economy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Will have to find out and get back.

    One recent case

    Dated 18th April 2012

    With Peugeot Citroen pulling the plug on a roughly 4,500 crore project to make cars out of Sanand in Gujarat, the Narendra Modi-headed government is pulling out all stops to keep the French auto giant back in the state.

    One option being pursued: get Peugeot Citroen’s 7% equity partner globally, General Motors (GM), to keep its India plans alive and make Peugeot cars out of its factory in Halol, some 200 km off Sanand.

    ———–
    The reasons may be business and economic. We will have to wait and see.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    This is last years news .

    Foreign Direct Investment inflows: Gujarat slips to 6th rank among states.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_foreign-direct-investment-inflows-gujarat-slips-to-6th-rank-among-states_1556980

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Mohan.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi Sir, nice of you to remember me !!!!!!!!!!! I am very busy with my Bhiwadi factory expansion. My brother and I are also sidestepping into automotive parts. the financial climate is good and there are plenty of people willing to invest. My abbu has a gud rep and we are adding to it.

    Balwinder uncle and Pathakji- I admire you both for standing tall on Nrega. I have said before, many persons here have no connexion with poor workers. Did Mohan say- it is not the job of the goverment to be in charity. I SAY IT IS. The first step of the state is to remove hunger

    Only a proud Sikh with the noble tradition of langar behind him appreciated it. My brother and I have had several meals at the gurudwara in GK, and how delicious it was ! Rispectttttttttttt paaji !!!!!

    Viju my old mate, you slipped up again. They did not teach charity at Columbas, for that you need my old Princie- Shayana Chona- who shud be the NEXT PREZ OF INDIA- WHAT A LADY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    great Rizwan!

    Are you focusing on a single area – like sales, products, cost management, process improvement, training etc – or “fingering’ everywhere? What do you like the most?

    I tell many people about you, your family, and Shrimathi Sharma and her little girl.

    All my blessings for your expansion, prosperity, and above all being a good man.

    It is quite rewarding that lives of many are improved a little through your jobs as well as your care.

    Do well.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Well all ColumbUMS see a kela ka chilka and slip… !

    Ok we know u had Shayama CHona.. a gr8 honourable teacher.

    But we had SRk

    And also Manu Singhvi !!

    And

    and

    And

    me of course !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan,

    Believe me I understand your feeling. Long time back I was also of your age.
    After some age one realizes that emotions don’t really help you in life. One has to
    be practical in life. A practical person barring unforeseen circumstances not only
    is successfully and content in his life but also helps other because he/she understand
    other peoples real sufferings without falling into emotional trap. One does not need to
    shout from the roof top that I am doing this and that charity. This is my personal
    opinion and I apologize if you think that I am trying to preach you.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ Rizwan

    I think u did not read all my comments on NREGA. I am happy for all schemes which help the poor.

    But they have to be targetted and the money should go to the poor guy and not to the bureaucrat or politician in the way.

    Secondly the money needs ot be well spent.

    Thirdly it should help in creating skills for the poor to amke them entreprenuers, better skilled worlers, better say drivers or plumbers.

    Finally, Ultimately the tax burden NREGA causes can only create the money in case the productive segments of the economy are allowed to earn better.

    Now that is a long long analysis. I hope dipsites have the brains :) :) to understand what superior guys write … :)

    Dont worry. My brother is also a dipsite. I always tell him… have a beer … will make u think better. SO Cheeeeeeeeeeers !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you distinguish between a job oriented project and enhancing skill or training oriented project?

    NREGA budget is used get very micro level work done by the local administration in the specified broad categories. In normal process, the budget for these micro level work would be very difficult to be approved by the state/central authority. This is a good way to strengthen the local/panchayat administration.
    I guess you are still pussyfooting to give your previous arguments some intellectual colour.

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  • Anonymous

    How Satyajit Ray foresaw the emergence of Baba Ramdev in 1975 in his film , only that the REPLICA is known as MACCHLI BABA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gMWN1n02AM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I did not understand any word of this song, but the guy does looks like
    Baba Ramdev.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hey God remember……

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  • Anonymous

    I cry for HINDUSTAN which is now ought to be called randistan, or bhondhustan, here is the reason
    “Pakistani singer-turned-actor Ali Zafar will receive the Dadasaheb Phalke academy awards here on May 3.

    The 31-year-old actor made his acting debut in Bollywood in 2010 with a small budget
    film “Tere Bin Laden”, which was a surprise hit at the box office. His next outing “Mere Brother Ki Dulan” alongside Katrina Kaif and Imran Khan, was a hit. His last release was “London Paris New York”, which also did a decent business at box office”.
    THIS IS HAPPENING IN THE 100TH YEAR OF INDIAN CINEMA
    Those M***ER c**d , people in the selection comittee should be STRUNG.
    How about recalling INSHALLAH KHAN’s relatives from peshawar and nominating them for Rajya sabha
    Or even better AJMAL KASAB FOR PRESIDENT , after all HE IS ISLAM , when there is competition among Scum parties to outdo each other in getting a muslim candidate .OH NO CHRISTIAN BUDDHIST DALIT WONT DO
    When Rizwan &Co is fattening their business , THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO HINDUS IN BANGLADESH
    “Bangladesh’s Eighth Amendment made Islam the official state religion and essential to the character of all that flows from Bangladeshi law. It is an amendment that Hindus and others say makes them second-class citizens in their own country. Every law they have to follow begins with “in the name of Allah the beneficent.” Madrassas
    (Islamic schools) are given a favored position by their government and often receive public support, even those preaching radical Islam. Yet, this “pro-minority” government does nothing—NOTHING—even when its own Supreme Court sets the table for them.”
    interfaithstrength.blogspot.com/…/bangladesh-awami-league-bares-
    Only RAY OF HOPE is Calcuttans WILL CHEER PUNE WARRIORS AND KICK INSALLAH KHAN BACK TO THE EPICENTRE OF JIHAD(Quetta) WHERE HIS SOUL RESIDES, his body being in India

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Nominating this Ali Zafar is an abomination.. What else you expect from a country where politicians (of a “secular” party) say Dr Kalam is not Islam enough and hence they would not support him as President.

    Now, it was uncalled for dragging Rizwan into your scenario explanation. Rizwan has and should have all opportunities as a man born in this country, as a man whose ancestry goes deep in time and land of this country. he is our son; this is his country – I am sure he and Pervez and Shoeb ec must be laughing about this politician’s statement that Dr Kalam is not Islam enough!
    I hope they will express their opinions in letters to the papers and on tTV.

    It is a shame on Bngladesh — looks like that they sneaked this in and did not want this to get wide coverage. . I did not read anywhere about this. Their action of banning Maudidi’s books were given wide coverage.

    The only consolation with BD is that at the core there may be some bengali culture left, and hopefully that will make them a bit more pacific than their western bretheren.

    yes, congress, with some leeway, will nominate Ajmal for President! But the good thing is that they will not get any Musllim votes on account of this, as the UP Muslims have demonstrated in the last election.

    I advise people to be very cognizant of how the Sinhalese, after series of wounding time and again, finally settled on a course that was extremely brutal and violent, but providing a finality. The Daadsaheb award, the presidential election (if it is Ansari), …it just builds up. Even Digryodhan Singh will not be able to spin when the tipping point is reached.

    BTW, I read the news about the Parlaiment report on Murdoch that “he is an unfit person to lead a media company”. What does this mean – will he have to divest his media empire? Will this inquiry extend to their US Fox?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Here is the link of Bangladesh adopting Islamic law. This happened last
    year but no mainstream media reported this news.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/thousands-protest-in-bangladesh-against-islamic-constitution-.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I am really surprised to hear the news of Ali Zafar being nominated for an award.
    Who this guys is? I think hardly anyone knows him in India and Dada Saheb Phalke
    award is supposed to be a prestigious award . Some people/parties will go
    to any length to appease minority communities.
    And this news of Bangladesh adopting Islamic is even more shocking. Is one more
    Pakistan in the making? Will we see people being punished, beaten and sometimes
    killed in disguise of one of the most dangerous and most unfair law mankind has ever seen. Blasphemy law.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dadasaheb Phalke Award by the Central Government and awards by Dadasaheb Academy Awarda are two different things.

    There is not much info on this academy, who runs it and what else it does.

    This year’s Dadasaheb Phalke Award has been conferred on Soumitra Chatterjee.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    this item by Shaan Nirad Babu is like the super hit song, “why this kolaveri di”. This actor Ali Zafar has become an instant hit with our crazy film and music fans.

    Shaan always prides himself on his being high on facts and zero on fiction.

    But this Dada Saheb Phalke award to this Zafar kid is pure fiction.

    Shaan, you have slipped, and slipped badly. Now look for crutches.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Shan is right about this news. Here is the link.

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-05-02/news-interviews/31537427_1_ali-zafar-dadasaheb-phalke-award-pakistan-singer

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    ‘dil hai ki maanta nahin’.

    AN award, which went to the likes of Satyajit Ray, Ashok Kumar, Hrishikesh Mukherjee etc at the pinnacle of their well rounded careers, shouldn’t at all be trivialised by awarding a teeny bopper.

    But, if you see this list of awardees of this “Dada Saheb Phalke award”, it means anybody can be a worthy awardee: Some of the other prominent awardees at this 143 rd Dadasaheb Phalke academy award event are Amitabh Bachchan, Tanuja, Vinod Khanna,Ajay Devgan (Singham),Vidya Balan ( The Dirty Picture),aheeda Rehman,Saira Banu – Dilip Kumar, Rohit Shetty,Dilip Sen- Sameer Sen – Parivar,Chaitanya Padukone,Ekta Kapoor,Ram Kapoor,(Bade Achhe Lagte Hain),Saakshi Tanvar(Bade Achhe Lagte Hain), Parineeti Chopra,Farhan Akhtar(Zindagi Naa Milegi Dobara),Prakash Raj,Ram Gopal Gupta,Gurudas Maan,Neila Devi(Shammi Kapoor’s wife).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Given your age VIAGRA IS NOT ONLY NEEDED DOWNUNDER BUT ALSO SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR YOUR BRAIN
    Economic Times‎ -

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Read Manohar’s post. We are probably mixing up two different awards with similar sounding names.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I suppose many of you would not have a problem or be surprised, if Julia Roberts or Brad Pitt had acted in an Indian film and was thus honoured by the Academy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I will have a problem if any actor gets this award after working in just three movies.
    No matter if they are from Pakistan, UK or from Hollywood.
    I read that article and I am quoting below a small sentence.

    ‘ It is prestigious event for Indian cinema and every Bollywood actor dreams of
    being honored with this award ‘

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice try.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shows PROFOUND IGNORANCE all around.Being a ?marathi yourself I thought tou would know a word a two about Dada Saheb Phalke. The man who created the first indian movie.My reaction would have been same if the award went to BJP Shatrughan Sinha or any MARGINAL CHARACTER from Bollywood.The previous recipient of this award is Satyajit Ray and Raj Kapoor,Being a rationalist and humanist in equal measure I CANNOT SPEAK LIKE Pathak et al.
    Perhaps the KASAB CARNAGE IS A DISTANT MEMORY to pathak et al,No wonder this country was enslaved for 1000 years.
    IMAGINE AMERICAN ACADEMY BESTOWING OSCAR ON A FILM JUSTIFYING 9/11.
    This is what happens to a country ENSLAVED for 1000 yrs NO SELF PRIDE , NO NATIONAL IDENTITY, NOT SURPRISING WHEN YOU ADD PATHAK ET AL AND THE VILEST SYSTEM ON EARTH , THE CASTE SYSTEM.
    There is a saying in Bengali if you squeeze the lemon to long , the juice wont be tangy , it will be bitter,
    The same SHAMELESS islam appeasement will lead to a ADVANI RAM MANDIR type backlash

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One Debashish Ghosh once stole my pen in school. Since then I call everybody a thief if they are named either Debashish or Ghosh.

    Stop blaming others for our own weaknesses. And we do not become strong by vilifying others. That’s a false sense of comfort people fall victim to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    do you think Pathak ji is Vinod Sharma himself in burqa?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You just stitched a wrong dress. Your tailor master needs to be trained in varieties of designs. He mostly sleep walks on the job with a very hard conditioning – scissors moving in a preconceived direction.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have now no doubt that you are indeed an actor of many parts and a consummate trapeze artist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tell your tailor master that he should be careful while dealing with customers. All customers are not same type. In this business it’s important to recognise the discerning customers and act accordingly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PathakG

    There is no need for the tailor master to be discerning! All customers come in for the same set – khakhi shorts, white shirt, kaali topi and a laathi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now I understand the min issue.

    Ravi Reply:

    The only issue

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ignorance thy name is Shan.

    Please take the trouble of reading my first response to your post about 6 hours earlier.. Let me say it again – Dadasaheb Phalke Award conferred by the Government is different from the ones instituted Dadasaheb Phalke Academy, which has nothing to do with the Government and its awards. The latter can be just like any other Filmfare, Screen, and other numerous awards etc. Visit their website and see for yourself.

    http://www.dadasahebphalkeacademy.org.in

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    am surprised you got rizwan into this. You may have a personal problem with him… but why make him accountable for the sins of the Bangladesh governemnt.

    If you claim to be rational, then see the person before tarring him with a brush of someone else’s crime.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When a high speed vehicle suddenly try to change the direction, there is a screeeeeeeech, a very uncomfortable noise, before it starts moving in the new direction. What you are just witnessing is that screeeeeeeeeeeeech. Enjoy the transition. A new butterfly is just about fly off.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    if you are referring to Shan Nirad Babu, he is like a vehicle which always makes a lot of screeching sound, even while travelling on a straight road.

    As for his changing sides, a butterfly, by its very name, is fond of new flowers.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The freshly blooming Vijay ( with his new donkey wisdom series) be aware.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ PathakG

    Thx! By the way a nice long meeting yesterday… where I explained to the client everything about hitech buildings and houses and then told him that Low tech is still more important– giving the example of trhe donkeys has landed us a new small contract.

    So Donkeys get company new contract… can be a good headline for HT.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In the coming days these donkeys will fetch many contracts for your company.

    To honour these ’silent’ animals working their asses out, you must re-design your company’s logo with a smiling face of a donkey. (hide the ‘***’) on it.

    Consider adding this slogan:

    WE WILL WORK OUR ASSES OUT,

    SO THAT YOUR ASSES REMAIN TIGHT.

    Anonymous Reply:

    thx Shenoy

    Will start working on this!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. The Shan which we know is back with the bang.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Awards, Awards, Awards.

    Are awards in the film industry given on the basis of Nationality/Religion/Etc. I believe not.

    Hollywood has given Oscars (Academy Awards) on the basis of performance and not on the basis of the actors’ country of origin, religion, political affiliation or even language. It is purely given on the basis of service to industry, performances, etc.

    Let us just take the Best Actor award and the following non-Americans have been recipients of this prestigious award; Laurence Olivier, Peter O’Toole, Alec Guinness, David Niven, Maximilian Schell, Paul Scofield, Ben Kingsley, Daniel Day-Lewis, Anthony Hopkins, Roberto Benigni, Forest Whitaker, Colin Firth, Jean Dujardin.

    Bollywood, has always modelled itself on Hollywood and I do not see why Awards can not be awarded to someone who is not Indian.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The discomfort and expressing their displeasure among our fellow members is borne out of ignorance to begin with plus an award going to Pakistani, which means Muslim, Jehadi, ISI agent, blah, blah, blah.

    If these Hindutvawadis are so upset, they can always ask the ABVP to protest, vandalize and beat up the trustees/officer bearers of the Academy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, Dr Shantanu, or for that matter anybody else, including me, would object to this just on a “muslim” basis.

    Ali Zafar is not Peter otoole. He is not Amir Khan or Sharu Khan. He is not Mammootty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, Dr Shantanu, or for that matter anybody else, including me, would object to this just on a “muslim” basis.

    —- Thanks for confirming it, except that ‘anybody else’ part of it. Your slip is showing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rant, rant, rant. What was the objective?

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  • Anonymous

    A girl is Rani before she is married, after marriage she becomes Laxmi and when
    she does some work at her in laws she becomes Bai.
    In fact all the girls are RANI LAXMI BAI.

    Good morning friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brilliant.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    gr8 one to set me smile… as I set for work

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And when she is unable to bear the torture,

    the Rani who became Bai gives herself phansi
    and she becomes Rani Laxmi Bai of Jhansi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Superb.

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  • Anonymous

    @GOPI , Murdoch have been heavily critisized , his companies share is down , BUT UNLESS THEY CAN PROVE A CRIMINAL ACT LIKE LYING OR COVER UP , not much will happen. If you are selling PORN then these trivialities are not going to bother his customers. On a separate note this ALEX MENON, is Menon a mallayali bramhin converted to christianity. His father in law looks hindu , which is a WONDERFUL thing , and if true THEN RED KERALA HAS LEFT ITS MENTOR TWIN TWIN BROTHER WEST BENGAL MILES BEHIND

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan.

    Which bit of Murdoch’s empire sells Porn?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shantanu

    Lots of inter-religious (mostly Hindu-Christian; very very rarely Hindu-Muslim or Muslim-Christian, and in that situation the non-Muslim converts to Muslim) happen in kerala as a part of the course; not “news” anymore.
    (both children of the famous singer Jesudas are married to Hindus)

    The most famous Hindu-Christian wedding was in my childhood, when Mrs KR Gowri Amma and TV Thomas, both ministers in the first EMS Namboodiripad communist government got married in 1960. Gowri became Gowri Thomas — Gowri in your books is Lord Shiva’s wife.

    However, when communist party split in 1964 into CPI (pro Russia), and CPM (pro China), Gowri stayed with CPM while Thomas remained with CPI. CPM being ideologically pure, demanded that Gowri has to divorce Thomas if she wanted to stay with the party. Gowri of course was more loyal to the cause than to her husband; and she divorced Thomas.

    Thomas became a drunk and died of heart attack after few years.

    Gowri, an extremely capable minister, continued to serve in all CPM led ministries. She was rumoured to be given CM ship after EMS passed away. However, the caste-gender politics of Marxist party prevented her from becoming CM in all successive ministries.

    So, finally, the fiery lady who left her husband for the party, left the party, formed a breakaway party in late 1990s, and now is a part of the Congress led coalition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is she still politically very active?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, sort of.

    It is really sad — Some people do not know when to stop and start reading Ramayana (she may not read that, for being a communist!)

    She formed a party, JSS — it has a regional following – in Chertalai area (from where Antony hails)..

    At 93, she is still active (?).. She was in the news here recently saying Congress did not divide the board chairmenship fairly and that gave away too much to Muslim league.

    Well, modern Kerala has to be thankful to her — her foresight and focus in those years back laid the foundation for health clinics, universal education, land reform, womens health etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I guess some people just get consummated by their passion.

  • Anonymous

    Sushma Swaraj said that Hamid Ansari does not have the stature to be President. Was that a gaffe ? or was it deliberate and she was sending out a signal ? Was she speaking for the Party or did she speak out of turn ?
    If 10 Janpath does not trust Pranab Mukerjea, why so much hype in the media on his candidature. Could the hype be because of Pranab’s own moves? Has he managed the support of a some important Congressmen ? Is 10 Janpath’s might being challenged within the party ?
    Time will tell …. but do I see a secret tie-up between Pranab Mukerjea and the BJP ? …Time will tell.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Anything can be expected in politics. Like last time Ms. Gandhi may spring a
    surprise and may prop up some obscure person.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ” Anything can be expected in politics”…The challenge to 10 Janpath’s plan shall not come from the BJP but from within the UPA and Parties which support the UPA. BJP at best may try to fish in troubled waters.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sushma Swaraj is prone to speak out her mind, often at variance with her party’s thinking. It has in the past embarrassed her party. This time too, she was rather too quick to say that the BJP doesn’t/won’t support any congress candidate.

    Asa for Pranabda, Sonia Gandhi has for ever been in awe of the Brahmin from Bengal and has never trusted him the way she has trusted a Quattrocchi or a Salman Khursheed.

    But, I suspect that Pranabda has the media’s goodwill at his credit, which, unfortunately, Hameed Ansari seems not having.

    I personally feel Hameed ANsari will make a far better president than Pratibha Patil or Fakruddin Ahmed or even VV Giri, to get whom elected, Indira Gandhi went all the way to split her party and defeat the official candidate.

    Ansari, as you said yesterday, rises from humble roots and except for the possible taint of being a “family servant”, is endowed with the self made image of being noble and credible. He is definitely not phony, like Pratibha is.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She sometimes foolishly speaks out in public what are discussed behind the door. Occasional slip ups for otherwise a very accomplished orator.

    ‘Bali ka bakra in Delhi election’, ‘Jaitley and Ananth kumar aree the real promoters of Reddy brothers, ‘ BJP is not responsible for Rahul’s constitutional status dream for the Lokpal’…… many more for example.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even granting that Sushma Swaraj lacks tact and is gaffe-prone, this item in your small list doesn’t rank among her gaffes:
    “BJP is not responsible for Rahul’s constitutional status dream for the Lokpal’.”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Her gaff-

    She highlighted that

    1) The Constitutional status to Lokpal was Rahul’s idea.
    2) It was not only Rahul’s idea, but his dream
    3) BJP opposed because it was Rahul’s idea, not because it was a bad idea

    By the way, the team Anna has started talking about giving constitutional status to Lokayuktas. Though they are still shy of giving constitutional status to Lokpal, because it was Rahul’s dream.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Last year I thought that she was the great hope to pull the BJP out of the rut and really challenge the Congress party. Probably, I was wrong.

    Anonymous Reply:

    She is too impulsive. She can’t carry people for long. She has problem working with a strong peer group.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP should put go-getters like Modi and Parahar in the front — plus focus on bringing in new young face — both parties have the problem; but BJP at this time has more pbm in terms of a shallow bench — and that in a way speaks volume on congress in spite of the family.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please don’t bring in Lokpal again.

    Rahul wanted a constitutional status to Lokpal with no powers. Did you actually bother reading the proposals of the govt’s version of the bill? Let’s talk about merging the anti-corruption branch of the CBI with into Lokpal to begin with.

    By the way, Rahul’s dream would only remain a dream – till the time he gets the numbers required in the Loksabha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We are mostly talking about Sushma and her gaffs. Do you know any?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If news reports are to be believed then it was Sonia who visited the PM with a specific portfolio request for Pranab. He had confided his choice of portfolio when urged by Sonia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    These “news reports” are NOT to be believed uncritically, especially by other news persons.

    The popular perception is that it is Manmohan Singh, who goes to Sonia Gandhi, not the other way. Actually ‘goes’ doesn’t fully explains it; it is said he runs whenever Patel gives a call to him that Amma wants his presence before her at the specified time.

    Ravi Reply:

    Let us contrast that with, what LK Advani does when the call comes from Nagpur.

    He ignores the call for a few months, then goes to Karachi where he praises Jinnah and calls him secular. He then consults his Brahmin and if the mahurat is shudh, he condescends to go to Nagpur.

    Lets see if you can send me to islamabad/Muridke/Tora Bora/Kabul/etc in your midless retort

    Anonymous Reply:

    I CAN’T MATCH YOUR MINDLESSNESS.

    Ravi Reply:

    Understood, your acceptance of a lower status is out of character

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are only providing proof upon proof that besides being mindless, you have oppressive vacuum in the top storey.

    Ravi Reply:

    Whilst your top story is full of Ghas Phoos, for which no proof is required. You convulse into abuse the moment any one mentions Nagpur. However your effervescence is boundless when you mention Sonia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Although Ansaris are julahas , but the Ansaris of East UP , are very wealthy and rich primarily through exports of carpets. Hamid Ansari’s also comes from a wealthy family. Yes he certainly has a better CV to be President than Pratibha Patil , which the Congress gifted to the country. But between Ansari and Pranab Mukerjea, I would prefer Pranab Mukerjea

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BVS

    I agree Ansari is better than Pratibha, Fakruddin and Giri.

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  • Anonymous

    A man in Hell asked Devil:
    Can I make a call to my Wife?
    Devil: Sure, why not?

    After making call he asked how much to pay.
    Devil : Nothing, Hell to hell is Free.

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  • Anonymous

    Nine more convicted in Ode killings but ‘biased’ Gujarat court.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Gujarat/Guj-riots-9-convicted-32-acquitted-in-Ode-killings-case/Article1-850456.aspx

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    In which way is the Gujarat Court “biased”?

    Is it biased towards the 32 aquitted or the 9 convicted?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because they acquitted more then they convicted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It proves that just few people hold the whole nation to ransom. It’s better to shoot these few people, one by one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So Pathak G you are saying that culprit no1 in 1984 should have been shot?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Anytime,anywhere.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope u have the guts to say it in front of the COngress office.

    Anonymous Reply:

    PUCL and Sikh organisations had blamed Tytler, Kamalnath, Shastri, Sajjan Kumar, Bhagat, ARUN NEHRU and even _ Rajiv for roles played.

    The Congress now blmes everything on Narasimha Rao as he is dead as it now blames Bhopal on Dead Arjun Singh as it blames UP on “the organisation”

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have problem with the Congress or the culprits, BJP-Neutral Vijay?

    Anonymous Reply:

    One needs ‘nerve’ to fly kites named BJP and Modi.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    one needs to be gutless to hide behind someone and fire

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hey! This kite flying thing sounds interesting !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who this culprit number 1 might be?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Finally you have admitted that you are in agreement with the fake Ravi, the Pakistani jihadi on your blog, who has been seeking support to his weird theory of applying closure to the Gujrat riots by shooting Modi dead.

    Ravi Reply:

    Oh dear…did I say that, or did you imgine it along with all other rubbish stuff that you imgine with that Ghas Phoos you keep wet in your tiny skull.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You need not worry. You are bound to be accused of heinous crimes, given the fact that the accuser is stupidly juvenile and suffers from immense intelligence deficit.

    Thank RSS, that he did not accuse PathakG or you of planning to nuke India using Pakistan’s arsenal.

  • Anonymous

    Has Mr. Mukherjee opted out of the race ?

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Frontrunner-in-Prez-poll-Pranab-rejects-speculations/Article1-850406.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pranabda probably feels that the PM’s chair is pretty close by and auntie ios pushing him upstairs…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If UPA 3 happens the two rivals to to Pranabda would be

    a) CHidu bhai
    b) Jairam Ramesh

    CHidu bhai has been nuetralised by Pranabda in the buggin scam and by Subramanium Swamy in the 2g

    Jairam Ramesh is too young. In case he is made PM he would keep Rahul G hanging for 30 years.

    My sixth sense says RahulG wont ask for the Kursi… as deep down he knows that he is still not prepared to answer the media or even take on a wily Imran Khan in Pakistan. It is better to sit outside and crib and hold the reigns than be on the hot seat and face the bullets.

    RobertG may however put up his hand to volunteer service to INdia.

    Let us see what happens then…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not think a UPA 3 will happen.

    Both Ramesh and Chidambaram will be good PMs.
    However, Jaya will be against both of them

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Pranabda is eyeing the coveted seat and probably feels that a trick is being played against him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Will Jaya decide as to who the next PM would be?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, neither can win from Tamil Nadu without her blessing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    UPA II has become a nightmare.
    UPA III will happen, in the next three months, but only in the night, in the sweet dreams of Pathakji and his trusted cronies.

  • Anonymous

    This is for all the Vodka-loving guys:

    —-A guy walks into a bar and says to the barman, “Give me six double vodkas.”

    The barman says, “Wow, you must have had one hell of a day.”

    “Yeah, I just found out my oldest son is gay.”

    The next day, the same guy comes into the bar and asks for six more double vodkas. When the bartender asks what’s wrong, the man says, “I just found out that my youngest son is gay, too!”

    The bartender says, “Jesus! Doesn’t anybody in your family like women?”

    The man downs the first drink and shakes his head, “Yeah, my wife!”

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  • Anonymous

    @ SHAN CINGULATE ******

    just read your disgusting rant at Zafar Ali which then morphed into a generalised sickening Islamophobic vomit. Why drag me into it ???? I mean wtf – you on LSD or something ?

    I have NO intention of leaving my country ever, unlike you, wild horses could not drag me away from India. I work now 18 hour days which is why I stopped coming on this blog- it will take me 10-15 years to realise my dreams of expanding into the automotive parts industry- AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SICKENING PATHETIC OAF- that creates jobs in this country. can yr weasel brain even begin to understand that – calling it my family fattening itself, how fruking low can u get

    dunno why but my hands are shaking with rage at you, u disgusting piece of shit. It seems passing MBBS exams and natural wisdom may not go hand in hand not in yr case anyways

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan

    Invite him to see your factory and meet your employees on his next visit to India.

    Keep up your good work. we need more Rizwans here

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Better still, tell Shan that his Mercedes is running on your auto-parts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dragging you in his post was definitely uncalled for. Most of us have immense respect for what you and your family is doing – and as Gopi says, we need more like you in our country (and on the blog).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rightly said

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dont tke Shan too seriously. He is prone to bouts of hysteria like Mamata. His religious rant and getting Bangaldesh inot this was sad and bad.

    Ishwar and Gopi are right.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do anything, say anything but always take shan seriously. Else, he will die.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    perfect diagnosis. Attention needed (seeking)syndrome

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s not really attention seeking syndrome.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Then?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He has the temperament of an artist, who works hard on his belief-system to make it acceptable.

  • Anonymous

    @5Cingulate

    You have definitely surprised many people here with your latest posting.
    Making Shenoy and Mohan happy, Rizwan dismayed, me amused.

    After barely 3 movies, Ali Zafar gets DadaSaheb Phalke Academy award and you thought that was outrageous. You stretched it to 1000 year slavery of Hindus.

    Mohan thought it was wrong to give this unknown guy a prestigious Dada Same Phalke Award.

    Mohan! If Ali Zafar does not get the ‘New Talent’ award now after 3 successful movies, should he be given after 15 years and 100 movies?

    By the way he acted in Indian movies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    Shenoy and Mohan were happy that Shantanu was back in the blogs, and not about specifics.

    In fact Shenoy did point to (as manohar also) that this award is not THE Phalke award (GOI) given to luminaries like Raj Kapoor, Adoor Gopalakrishnan, Manandey etc; but another film society with the same name. .

    I believe Shantanu (as well as I, and may be others too) was dismayed that he got THE phalke award.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can blame it on ToI for its mischievous title…

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/news-interviews/Ali-Zafar-to-receive-the-Dadasaheb-Phalke-Award/articleshow/12963620.cms

    The article later reads:
    The actor will be receiving this year “the most prestigious” Dadasaheb Phalke “academy” award at Mumbai on 3rd May.
    ——–

    Both “the most prestigious” and the “academy” shouldn’t have been used in the same sentence. ToI is not unknown for these misleading stories.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The fault lies with nincompoops employed as reporters and news editors. With the boom in media, perhaps this is bound to happen – shortage of good quality personnel. Most ‘brainy’ people wish to become doctors, MBAs and computer coders. Hardly anyone wishes to explore the joys of a language with good knowledge of history, arts and current affairs. This particular reporter or whoever does not know Dadsaheb from Phalke.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually this Dada Saheb Phalke Academy is non-descript, till now unheard of and its awards are having no prestige behind them, not withstanding the earlier “distinguished” star recipients.

    Ravi Reply:

    All of this simply because they bestowed an honour on a Muslim and that too from Pakistan.

    RSS has well and truly stitched you up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Someone is being juvenile. Cannot blame anyone.

    DADASAHEB PHALKE ACADEMY, an All India Body of 38 Cine Associations, is engaged in the service of Father of Indian Cinema, organizing PHALKE JAYANTI while honouring about 55 Seniors, Labour to Legend and others, since the year 2000.

    Ravi Reply:

    PathakG

    I believe that the objection raised is based on this absurdly held notion that Indian Awards should not go to Pakistani’s.

    We moan when Taliban ban the screening of ALL films and then when some talented Pakistani does well in the film industry and a panel of experts reward his work with an award, then we moan again that it has been given to a Pakistani.

    To such people good would be, to give the award to an Indian, preferably a Hindu.

    Aim is to make award giving a part of Indian Government’s foreign policy and to kick up a fuss whenever any type of contact is made with a Pakistani. Same people also want to stop any form of sporting contact with Pakistan.

    The US government is not very friendly with Iran, it suspects that Iran is plotting against it and its allies. Yet the Oscar for best foreign film went to A Separation, an Iranian Film.

    My view is that Dr Shan made an honest error in confusing between two very similar sounding awards and the subsequent rant was just a corollary to that error.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    You are as divisive as usual! Why do you conjecture “To such people good would be, to give an award to an Indian, preferably a Hindu”

    Who said an Indian should be awarded? Who said a Hindu should be awarded?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Soheb

    In that case perhaps you can share with us your Sycophantic views about what the ESSENTIAL reason for such an opposition is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    when he is living, self-confessedly, in the London gutter, he can manage only a tunnel view, whenever the lid gets opened.

    He is entitled to his tunnel view.

    Ravi Reply:

    I thank you for such considerate views.

    How is your life in the sewers of Bangaluru where you swim in fetid waters.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That Iranian FILM is a film THAT AMERICANS WANT EVERY IRANIAN TO SEE , it would make their job of throwing out the mullah so much easier. ALSO THE DIRECTOR IS BASED IN PARIS AND SO ARE THE STARS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    He should not be allowed to work in Indian movies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you get a chance to watch Tere Bin Laden?

    If not, then watch on you tube. You might just like this comedy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have seen this movie and yes it is a nice movie but that does not change my
    opinion on Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Since you wondered who knows this guy in India, I wanted you to see the movie.

    Anonymous Reply:

    All the same what Shan said rather strongly and typically crudely is what most Indians feel about these Pakistanis who come here to make fast bucks and scoot. The same thing holds good for Sunny Leone, Rahat Fateh ALi Khan and others like them.

    These assignments should, ideally, be on an exchange basis, totally reciprocal.

    Ravi Reply:

    For once I agree with your idea. Daft as it is.

    I think Pakistan should give Shatrughan Sinha an Award.

    I think a मिलनी between Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and Mohan Bhagwat should also take place as soon as possible.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What a wonderful idea? Dubai would be an ideal venue for the leaders of the two “national social service organisations”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Reciprocal? Indians will starve by acting in Pakistani movies. Actually one or two Pakistani success in India will actually make Pakistanis hate their own country and system more. You guys always see just one layer. See how they are jealous of IPL.

    Ravi Reply:

    Why?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You know my views on Pakistan. No relations with them.

    Ravi Reply:

    So Mohan

    What about Rahat Fateh Ali Kahn, would you stop him.

    Come to think of it what about Adanan Sami.

    Will you not go and see a film based on a short story of S H Manto.

    Etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Can you give me a clue how can I stop them ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Be India’s External Affair minister in 2014 under coGovt of Jaya and Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You need not answer this.

    In your business, do you or would you refuse to deal with Pakistani clients/vendors?

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP money bag Teddy brother did business with Pakistanis. The money funded BJP elections.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Just ONE REASON why ali jafar should br felicitated , JUST ONE REASON WHY INDIA SHOULD SUCK UP TO PAKISTAN , WHEN THE 26/11 PERPETRATORS ARE ROAMING FREELY IN PAKISTAN.
    All those who planned 9/11 WAS CAPTURED INSIDE PAKISTAN ONE BY ONE
    Then SLAVES have a different mindset to the ONES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN SLAVED

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Any actor who has emerged as a promising one after 3 good films, may be felicitated as “New Talent”.Else, you circulate that no Pakistani actor will be given an award. Simple.

    Self aware people never bother about this stupid slave concept. It’s only sign of a dithering mind filled with self-doubts. I will feel very sad if you slide into that state of mind.

    Be “Self-Aware”. The power is within. Self-aware people do not need any external validation.

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  • Anonymous

    One news item which did not receive prominent coverage, but happens to be dismaying as far as the BJP is concerned. This is not BJP bashing.

    Shocker for BJP in Jharkhand Rajya Sabha polls: SS Ahluwalia loses

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/shocker-for-bjp-in-jharkhand-rajya-sabha-polls-ss-ahluwalia-loses/articleshow/12989054.cms

    In a humiliating defeat for BJP, SS Ahluwalia, who was the party’s deputy leader in the Upper House, lost the Rajya Sabha polls in Jharkhand to JMM candidate Sanjeev Kumar and Congress’ Pradeep Balmuchu.

    Ahluwalia, who fought a close contest with ally JMM and Congress, got just 20 votes while he needed 23 to make it to the Rajya Sabha. Balmuchu won with 25 votes and Kumar got 23. Besides BJP’s 18 votes, Ahluwalia got two votes of JD(U). The five-member AJSU, which BJP was trying to rope in, voted for JMM, which has 18 legislators in the assembly. A total of 68 votes were polled in the 82-member assembly.

    ————

    The shocking part is that the BJP is largest party along with JMM with18 seats and the BJP’s Arjun Munda s the Chief Minister. The Congress with 13 MLAs managed to get maximum number of votes -25.

    Gopi, Mohan, Ishwar, pathakG and others – what do you make of it? What went wrong?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Instead of working ovetime to defeat themselves, they did not have to work at all – and did not do any work!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes he get a little overbearing for comfort.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just reflects BJP’s lousy managerial capabilities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not unusual for a state like Jharkhand – where an independent, Madhu Koda, was the CM for a while with Congress support.

    It could have been a cause for an alarm if cross-voting would have resulted in Mr. Ahluwalia’s defeat. As it is, all the members of the BJP and JD(U) voted for him. AJSU might have struck a deal to support the JMM’s candidate in return for some other considerations.

    These things happen – BSP councillors voted for the BJP candidate in South Delhi mayoral elections.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is all very well to console oneself. Play Devil’s Advocate.

    The person who is best placed to distribute goodies and favours is the Chief Minister. There is a world of difference between CM’s powers and the power wielded by individual ministers. It would not have taken lot of effort on CM’s part to ensure 3 (only) additional votes. I do not know what JMM offered to AJSU. On the other hand, you can argue that BJP does not indulge in striking deals, being a ‘principled’ party, for further consolation.

    Perhaps Arjun Munda and local BJP people did not wish to support an outsider. Possible?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s more of outsider-insider conflict.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Shoeb, Ishwar, pathakG

    here is another theory.

    Did he lose to a power struggle in Delhi, so his defeat was engineered by the central leadership?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    going in for the second set now…

    Will it be Modi Modi rape rape when I come back after this game?

    Cmon guys… whu dont you see the silk smitha film, “the evils of rape” then have a hand job and get over it… :)

    Ciao to all the rape gang !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you calling us rapist?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    never said that…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Then who is the rape gang?

    Anonymous Reply:

    poosie to ****.he he rape.u rape modi. mustad oild ramdev lathi fix all.fly long patang in empty sky.stop saying modi rape. not mustad oild ramdev lathi in tore bore mein. jaihind.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Mangala remerges from someone’s manhole in tora bora… gives incoherent comment… dives back !

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  • Anonymous

    @Shenoy,

    You can put a wig and smile before a full length mirror with index finger on lips, fluttering eye lashes if you so fancy being a dumb blonde. Where did I say ’shoot Modi’ ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are a consummate trapeze artist. You don’t have to be explicit to be understood well. None here is so dumb that he cannot see aapka nishana kiss ki taraf hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How did you conclude Modi to be the culprit number 1?
    To me it’s the guy who molested the non-burqa wearing muslim girl on the platform.
    What makes you so confident about Modi being the culprit number 1?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Pathak wsere u the molester ? How can you say there was a molester?

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Pathak G is sayign every molestation should lead to train burning !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    People get hacked for an attempt like that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s well documented. VHP has submitted the affidavit saying the karsevaks did not know the girl to be muslim as she was not wearing a burqa.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Must be lalu yadav and Teesta in their fake commission of enquiry . Name the girl. Show the girls photo.

    Why riots take place is trying to justify the burning with a fake or real molestation.

    You have to understand mass psychology.

    First a mass murder of the train passengers.. Then a justification for the murder, almost saying that the karsevaks deserved to be burned,

    Well.. if you have an understandng of the human mind.. you will get it. Otherwise, you will just get the Congresss cliched reasons,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps you would like to use your edit button after sometime.

    By the way, ask your scientist friends to simulate setting a running train on fire. You are an engineer, there are many simulation software’s available. Try.

    Anyway, I wanted to know what made Shenoy suspect Modi to be the suspect no 1!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Allow me to make a guess, as you are unlikely to get a response. Modi ke naam se woh Darte hain.

    Guilty mind?

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    So where is the raped girl/molested girl which was the reason for the train burning? Maybe you know her…

  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Friday morning, a bit relaxed atmosphere. Now, Kashmir Grand Mufti asks for declaring Ahmadiyas non muslim. Wow.
    And few hilarious comments:
    Digvijay Singh (Janpath, Aurungzeb Marg, New Delhi)

    24 mins ago (09:49 PM)Soniaji will instruct UPA govt. to consider your demand. Before that we are doing some survey to see if it will benefit us in next elections. Depending on that Rahulji will say whether he is Sunni, Shia or Ahamedia when he visits Kashmir next time. We have formed a committee under Dr. Singhvi to do some survey. Dr. Singhvi is very interested to find the status of muslim-women in Kashmir and wishes to meet many of them privately on one to one basis. No cell phones/cameras will be allowed in those crucial meetings.
    and:
    OSAMAJI (American knows it!) replies to Digvijay Singh

    17 mins ago (09:56 PM)Masha allah Digvijay bhai jaan, par meri death anniversary par chutti nahi ho rahi Hindutan mai?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj-

    Did Mufti really ask for that declaration? Whom did he want the declaration to come from? (ie Government of India or MPLB or Waqf Board etc?)

    A recent Quicken Loans ad comes to my mind –you may have seen it too..
    One poses a whole lot of difficult questions to the other –and the other asks abck “whom do you think I am, Quicken Loans???”

    Mufti must be thinking the other party is Quicken Loans…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ha Binoy;
    I do not know, what other declarations we will see in future. May God save India.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    from Indians !

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was about post the link to the story.

    Kashmir’s grand cleric asks govt to declare Ahmadis non-Muslims

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmirs-grand-cleric-asks-govt-to-declare-Ahmadis-non-Muslims/articleshow/12995456.cms

    In yet another act of religious extremism, Kashmir’s mufti azam (grand cleric) Mufti Muhammad Bashir-ud-din has demanded a legislation to declare the Ahmadi sect of Kashmiri Muslims as “non-Muslims”.

    The dogmatic demand was unanimously made by the Muslim religious leaders of Jammu and Kashmir Muslim Personal Board in a meeting convened and headed by the grand cleric on May 2, 2012.

    ———

    Read on.
    These crackpot muftis/moulvis do not know the Indian constitution.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj Ji.

    What is your personal views on Ahemadi’s being declared as non-muslims.

    In your answer, I hope you are able to include the status of Radhs Soami Sat Sangh, Dera Sacha Sauda, The Bahai Movement, and other reformist cults that challenge established relgious orthodoxy.

    BTW I personally believe that Ahemadi’s should be allowed to practice what they believe in.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi/ Manohar;
    work place a bit relaxed only, not proper weekend. ill reply to you in near future.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Has anyone or any organization issued a fatwa against Radha Soami – there are two
    Radha Soami panths – and Dera Sacha Saoda or has anyone declared them non Hindus
    or non Sikhs ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    No FATWA was issued, but that does not mean that these cults are not despised. They are.

    There have been murders and riots between Sikhs and Dera Sacha Sauda. etc.

    Brahmo Samaj is the same.

    The point is that breakaway cults are always reviled by the parent religion, no matter what that religion is. People here on this blog are showing false sympathy for Ahemadis, simply because it is trying to change Islam. Other Hindu/Sikh cults which are trying to similarly reform Hinduism and Sikhism are never commented upon.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Ravi;
    Ahamadiyas being declared as Non- Muslim is reprehensible. This can happen only in an extremely bigoted place.
    What about other reformist movements, why not?? Nothing is sacrosanct, human brain can query anything, even, taboos.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I agree.

    But Ahemadi issue figures in this blog regularly, but Dera Sacha Sauda, Brahmo Samaj never.
    The reason is simple and so obvious that it does not merit a rehersal.

  • Anonymous

    NY times review of a new book “Taste of War” by Lizzie Collinghham …
    Talks about second world war, politics of food.
    “Churchill starved 3 million people to death in Bengal because he saw them as racial inferiors”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/books/review/the-taste-of-war-by-lizzie-collingham.html?smid=pl-share

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ Pathak

    Let me again state that I have not shot an arrow at the sky. Or flown a kite. Though in a certain project I have been mandated to fly like a kite and get an answer. My senior partner in work– who is a bit known to the world– would testify that I not the dumbest guy in the world on mass pscychology or behaviour pattern of groups.

    Let me be a bit blunt here. With no intention to hurt anybody personally and hurt nobody’s religious feelings.

    When Bhindranwale started his campaign in Punjab, he first started with the fiction that Sikhs were being discriminated against. This lead to many Sikh youth taking up arms. Many ordinary people who would have never supported terror and terrorists chose to join up and turned a blind eye on what was being done. A MOSTLY FAKE STORY OF ALLEGED DISCRIMINATION LEADING TO MASS RETRIBUTIONS.

    Whixh led to terror against Hindus and one sided killings from 1980-1984.

    When Indira gandhi died, MANY A LOCAL Congress men fed the mobs with the line that “they were killing HIndus in Punjab,,, now they have killed the PM.” The rioter on Delhi’s road was willing to pounce on his neighbour.

    In normal life he was probably a law abiding citizen. Suddenly he was revenge taker with a mission.,,,

    So it is all about inflaming passions after a tragedy….

    I suspect that the way the media created and justifed the stroy about the Karsewaks molesting girls … it had a huge huge HUGE role in Gujarat rioting.I think the media’s intention was to limit the damage. To send the message that the Karsewaks got it on themselves.

    Instead it sent fire to the minds of Gujaratis all over the state. THIS IS WHAT MANY GUJJUS HAVE TOLD ME. Infact I stayed for some time in a colony next to Gujarat Vihar in east Delhi and would talk about this to the shopkeepres and the locals of the colony.

    When Lalu created a fake commission to probe Godhra which somehow concluded tht the whole thing was an accident… it sent angry Gujarat agains scurrying back into Modi’s arms…

    The correct way would have been to go after the culprits from day one . All this spin about myterious rapes of girls was pointless. News week had then reported that Karsewakas had “EXPOSED” themselves to girls on the platform.

    Thatt may happen in Germany or UK where flashing is common. In India? Karsewaks taking off their pants while travelling with female family members? Again useless spin which only angered people more.

    My basic arguement if you have not got it: One sided demonising of Modi wont work because most Gujaratis think differently. Most importantly the media and spin docotrs who created the story of the raped girl on the platform may have actually poured kerosene on the miinds of the rioters. Thirdly riots are about normal people turning wicked . Dont inflame passions in such a manner that they become wicked…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-

    The US perception of India is that it is a go-getter place (as US used to be) with a lousy government and lousier infrastructure.

    They do talk about the federal system of India, and do mention Gujrat often as an example of what could be achieved with a well-functioning growth oriented government.

    Recently, there was an interview with Ajay Banga, CEO of MasterCard — he is the president of US/Indo Chamber of Commerce (or something like that); he was quite negative on the recent tax and investment changes promulgated by the central govt. He suggested that the government is behaving in such a way that they do not care about foreign investment

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Binoy;
    wonder of wonders, today morning, when getting ready for office saw an Ad. on TV-CBS- where people are dancing and in background, Hindi song- Jaan pahachan ho, Jeena Aasan ho… Great, Integration is entering new phase, when private companies using Indian songs. Not one instance, scores.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Even an Ambassador car appeared in an advert for Peugot

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the latest TV campaign of HEINEKAN beer . It is from the film GUMNAM

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    US perception is very true. Every day I see fabulous minds working on the wrong tracks in India. So much effort and debate to promote negative activity.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Do you not believe that similar and more effective riot starting tactics are very frequently used by various Sangh Organisations. Only last week 4 youths were arrested in Andhra for scaterring parts of Cow Carcuss dubbed with Green paint.

    Your silence on that story was noted.

    Four Hindu youths held for desecration of temple

    Read more….

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/andhra-pradesh/article3364832.ece

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There were no riots here in Hyderabad on account of this!

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    Ravi Reply:

    But that was the intent.

    If not then perhaps you can suggest why did they do what they did?

    Further more I quoted this simply as one example there are scores more.

    Perhaps it was a Balidaan that went wrong!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    They were caught on time.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Anybody who tries to create riots need sever prunishment.

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    Ravi Reply:

    However you never attempt to evaluate rioting type of activities of the Sangh Parivar, only the Congress instigated anti Sikh riots.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    More fiction coming ! You are going to come up with the theory that the Sangh parivar was behind Delhi riots !! I was in Delhi right there during the riots as a child. In East Delhi.

    You could see senior Congress leaders come in their cars, address meetings.

    The Sangh played the calmign influece of rescuing victims and even organising camps.

    Vajpayee’s entire campaign in Delhi in 1984 was based on getting Sikhs back into the national fold. Even Vinod Sharma acknowledges that in the blog in which he recommeneded Vajpayee for Bharat Ratna,

    But then you may create your own castle in the air… and also live in it … Your life.

    Ravi Reply:

    May not be Delhi….but many many many other riots were started, encouraged and planned by the RSS affiliated organisations

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Were you there? Who told you?

    What is your source of fiction?

    I think your own desire of getting a Hindu organisation into the spin gets to u to spout this . Well as I said… live i your dream castle… in the air.

    Ravi Reply:

    You keep building castles in the air, and I will keep living in them.

    To say you are naïve would be to state the obvious.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As I said they are scared to discuss Modi – kahi.n pol naa khul jaaye.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you know, read a lot about the incident on the platform,yet an hour back you have been acting as if you never heard about the case.

    Modi is playing time bar strategy. He is hoping every possible evidence and witness will get compromised after few years. Forget about congress, ask him to hand over the administration for 3 years to somebody else, perhaps Patel, see what all evidence come out in few months.
    By the way do ask your scientist friends to simulate setting a running train on fire from outside. Maybe you will learn a lot about it.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I doubt ny case can lead to him directly. The Ehsan jafri casr tumbled becasue they tried to blame it on Modi.

    I will have to check the status of the train if it was running or stationary. I was not there. neither were you. You will have to accept that the train was probably lit when it was stationary. That s what the first reports said.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Forget about congress, ask him to hand over the administration for 3 years to somebody else, perhaps Patel, see what all evidence come out in few months”.

    Is that the reason he is not shifting to Delhi?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Bulls eye.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very very plausible reason.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Years ago, a young medical student watched helplessly his mother and sister getting molested by religious fanatics in a reserved compartment, where the forceably occupied their seats. For months together he roamed around in 2 cities where the mob had got down. Then he gave up his education and went abroad to learn contact martial arts. He hunted down those 5-6 men that he had identified and dealt with them. He got his revenge. But a beautiful career was lost because of few ‘mischievous’ people.

    It’s difficult for you to relate with incidents like this.

    Ask people how unruly kolkata football fans could be. Or, karsevaks in train.

    ( Ask any mature lady friend if she has ever experienced or heard about men flashing in public in India. )

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Indian men will only flash when their own wives or females relatives or group friends are not around. They will not do it in a group or as a joke as nudity has a obscenity tag here. The flashing theory leading to the train burning is feeble fiction.

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  • Anonymous

    The abuse excuse
    Nadeem Paracha

    http://nadeemfparacha.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/the-abuse-excuse/

    Move over, Jamat-i-Islami (JI), there’s a new danda brigade in town. But this brigade’s reactive gringos prefer mimicking the Tourette Syndrome and assorted incoherent abusive tics almost entirely in cyber space.
    Of course, by now, we all know who they are: A generation of apolitical urban middle-class young men and women who suddenly (and as if through shock therapy) became politicised (if one can call it that).

    This politicisation did not emerge from the passionate consumption of academically sound political and social literature or with the help of some stimulating debates.

    Rather, it has appeared as a by-product of what has gone on in the name of freedom of speech in Pakistan’s electronic media in which, anchors were/are given a free hand to turn debates between politicians into ratings-friendly shouting bouts. A media where demagogic characters were put in front of an unblinking camera and allowed to unabashedly distort and ****** history and faith in an attempt to generate a supposedly ‘positive’ nationalistic and theocratic narrative.

    ——–

    Read on.
    So much of the narrative sounds familiar in Indian context too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice link MANOHAR, but no comparison with India. Pakistani debate and political thought is totaaly in gutter while Indian voter has moved on to reward Nitish Kumar for development

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    There are very few people like Mr. Paracha left in Pakstan and they all are of 50+ age.
    After them only dangerous fanatic people will be left in that country. Sooner we cease
    all relations with them and secure our borders completely will be better or us.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    Is this the right time to remind you that you hate all things Pakistani.

    Does that include Nadeem Parcha?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Please read what I have written about Mr Paracha. And I don’t hate all about Pakistan,
    I have few of good fronds staying there but they are also in their sixties. What I was saying that after all these people, who are very in number the remaining people
    in Pakistan will be dangeos fanatics. We should be wary of those remaining people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You will be surprised. I suggest you watch Pakistan TV programmes on YouTube. I had provided a few links earlier. If you want more links, let me know.

    The present generation there is wondering and debating where they have gone wrong and we have done the right thing. There is admiration for the way we have gone about since 1947. Both inherited the same institutions from the British and today there is world of difference between the two countries. They envy our institutions and our standing in the world.

    Cease relations and secure borders!!!!!
    Whether you like it or not, we cannot wish away our neighbours, in spite that some here too wish India annihilates Pakistan and wipes it off the map. IMO, even the current dispensation there is realising that hostility with India is hurting them more than us.

    Recent overtures by them are case in point.

    1) Wishing to import petroleum products from us and that is work-in-progress.

    2) Wishing to buy rail diesel locomotives (new or second hand), from us – the Americans and the Chinese have let them down very badly. Currently out of 700 rail locomotives, only 60 to 70 are in working condition and their railway system has almost collapsed. That Indian Railways are reluctant to spare them is a different matter as we are running short of the same – perhaps the PMO and the MEA nudge them on. We will wait and see.

    3) General Kayani’s talking about good relations, at the same time saying less money should be spent on defence and more on development Have you ever heard Pakistani generals saying this? At the moment, we can take them with a big pinch of salt. Let them actually walk the talk first, then we should see.

    4) Allowing Indian exports to Afghanistan through their territory.

    5) Indian newsprint paper is being imported.

    6) A new trade point has been opened at Wagah for direct trade, rather than via Dubai.

    These can be considered a positive moves, at the same time under no condition we must let our guard down.

    Of course, there are crackpots over there, who wish the destruction of India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Well said and it should go a long way to persuade those who mis-understand Pakistan.

    However, what we are faced here is something entirely different.

    Here Pakistan the bogey has been created to frighten the children, and no amount of your or anyone else’s efforts are going to change that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    They are fooling us and we are being fooled. Where India is concerned, they have one
    point policy and that is to hurt, harm and ultimately destroy India. This friendship
    and showing eagerness to do business is just an eye wash. They are trying to win our
    trust and in process they expect us to lower our guard. Once that happens they will hit
    us very badly. I can never trust Pakistan state as they have only hatred for us and that
    hatred has increased overtime because we have prospered and they have not.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I suggest you watch their TV programmes for a week or so, then we will talk, unless you have a closed mind on the subject and not ready to look at a different narrative.

  • Anonymous

    @Rizwan the missing foreskin, daddy’s crumb picking PRICK
    Moron you will sell your soul to stay in india , FOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SETTLE IN PAKISTAN OR IRAN OR IRAQ OR MALAYSIA OR INDESIA , pick your choice or LIVE NEAR MECCA.You are not providing jobs , YOU ARE SUCKING THE BLOOD OF BIHARI LABOURERS with pittance wages .
    But in your heart there is admiration for Kasab

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shan

    Zubaan par lagaam lagao… Would nto the anglo saxons prescribe jail for such type of religious and vile abuse?

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  • Anonymous

    Riswan puttar never worry whole blog is with you. THIS SHANTANU IS TOAD a dr who is hated by most on thread. Gautam Chikermane had banned him from HT two years ago when he made vulgar joke on Gautams daughter.
    As honorable Ashish used to say, cingulated is cheap abuser. Ignore him.
    While I am happy you have energy to work 18 hour week it is not good for health. And pl come to blog even for 5 mins every week.
    Just dont bore everyone with your Vijay DPS vs yr Modern school silly talk hehe

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This balwinder is KABUTERBAJ , whose balls are now the size of peanuts

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  • Anonymous

    The RED TOP paper sells 4 million copies IS THE MOST PROFITABLE, the times and Sunday Times is incurring losses.
    That RED TOP paper is PORN to me , may be a intellectual paper to some.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So to you the Sun, The Mirror and The Express are PORN. They are all Red Tops, read by millions of people daily.

    Understood.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I meant the RED TOP in murdoch’s stable and other RED TOP like THE PEOPLE and DAILY STAR.
    Daily Mirror is definitely not PORN nor is Daily Mail

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  • Anonymous

    Yes Vijay you are right. Language like that leads to automatic suspension by doctors body in UK, its called the BMA.
    Shan with your latest bizarre outburst against dear Riswan I have no hesitatio to repeat what rahiiiv had once said about you. You have morals of son of ***** of Sonagachi,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have ***** in your house and you are their pimp

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  • Anonymous

    Binoy and others.

    Policy Paralysis – We had discussed this yesterday.

    Despite PM’s call, scared babus still sitting on files

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Despite-PMs-call-scared-babus-still-sitting-on-files/articleshow/13001749.cms

    Last month, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh exhorted the bureaucracy to be fearless, saying, “Civil servants should fight the tendency of not taking decisions because of the fear that things might go wrong and they might be penalized for that.”

    The PM was just the latest to express concern about increasing bureaucratic stasis-foreign visitors have remarked upon it and even TOI has written about it earlier. But his words have clearly failed to inspire the bureaucracy. If anything, the situation seems to be getting worse by the day.

    Sitting in his office overlooking the wide Rajpath, around which a number of ministries are located, a top-ranking government official who is due to retire in a few months complained about his subordinates refusing to clear any proposal. “They would’ve approved the same proposal a few months ago, but now they tell me that they’re scared of facing questions after I am gone,” he said.

    ———

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Gujarat didn’t bow before Nehru, who is Sonia: Narendra Modi

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Gujarat-didnt-bow-before-Nehru-who-is-Sonia-Narendra-Modi/945484/

    Excerpt

    “This state has not bowed down before (Jawarharlal) Nehru; what is Sonia’s class?” Modi said, addressing the huge gathering.

    “In Nehru’s heyday, Gujarat did not bow down before him. We are descendants of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, we will not bow down before anybody,” he further said.

    He also referred to the differences between Nehru and Patel, to allege that even the country’s first Prime Minister discriminated against Gujarat, because it was the home state of Patel.

    —————–

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    I did not understand the context. Why did he talk about “bowing” before Mrs Gandhi? Did Mrs Gandhi make an ultimatum?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy

    IMO, his comments are totally uncalled for. Even I wonder what made him say so. What I know of Pandit Nehru, he was not the type who would wanted people or states to bow before him or dance to his tunes, he was democrat to he core.

    During his premiership – Gujarat was part of Bombay state for the first 13 years) and there was Congress party everywhere. So what bias he is talking about.

    If indeed he was biased – he would not have sent Kurien Verghese to Gujarat to experiment and set up probably the best example of rural co-operatives – Amul. Under his stewardship, IIM was also set up in Ahmadabad. We could cite many more examples.

    It has been repeated before – Modi and the BJP are trying to appropriate Sardar Patel as exclusively theirs, the reality being just the opposite.

    This attitude is what makes him unacceptable outside the state. He is creating controversies when there are none. Then his fanatic supporters bitterly complain that the press give him a horrid time.

    Is this a sign of nervousness and doubts before the state elections in December?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    This is what I was referring to other day when I said that Modi has become arrogant.
    He some times talk about MMS also in same fashion. There are many Gujaratis who
    have started talking about this attitude of Modi. If Congress comes up with something
    like maut ka sudagar as they did last time then Modi will go with all guns blazing in
    this style and that will help him get many votes. Congress on their part should not
    attack Modi personally and should only talk about the real issue. Attack Modi and lose
    elections. Pay attention on core issues and let Modi attack Congress leaders personally then we may see different results. Most of the people in Gujarat are no more
    interesting in listening to personal bashings during election time.
    I wish Modi changes his style and win these elections as he is the person who has
    has a vision for Gujarat and he with his hard work, honesty and no nonsense approach
    can fulfill his dream of making Gujarat something like South Korea.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Two reasons.

    1) For a long time now, the Congress is not attacking him (after paying a very heavy price for a very expensive maut ka suadagar lesson) and that must be rankling him – a case of being ignored and made to feel irrelevant.

    That he continues to attack Dr. Manmohan Singh, Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi and not the issues does not speak well of him. May be a case of reverse ‘maut ka saudagar’.

    2) His nervousness and doubts about December elections.

    ===

    Arrogant? I always thought he was so from day one, but his admirers did not notice earlier on account of intense hero-worship – when everything is ‘maaf’. Now that the sheen has worn off a bit, perhaps people now are taking a subjective look at him. A slight misstep here and a slight fault there – it gets magnified several times, as you have experienced recently in Gujarat. When you were there, was there also a general air that he makes people feel that they are what they are today because of him alone? if it were so, people would resent that.

    That he has not been able to ’save’ the foot soldiers now being
    convicted, as they must have thought he was the ‘messiah’ and trusted him 100%. They and their families must certainly be very angry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    1. It is wrong to say that for the long time Congress is not attacking him. Modi is always brought up by congress in any
    elections anywhere in India. We saw recently Ms. Dixit trying
    this tactics in recent municipal elections in Delhi and before
    that Rahul Gandhi was booed by Bihar people when he talked
    not in any flattering way about Modi.
    2. May be, not sure too early to say.
    Does he makes people feel that they are what they are today because of him alone? After all he as politician will keep
    on showcasing his achievements. IMO nothing wrong with that.
    About your last point I think you are letting your imagination
    run wild . I do not think that he is trying to influence or
    interfere in the courts proceeding. The convictions of many
    people involved in Gujarat riots is the testimony of the
    wonderful job done by Gujarat courts. I wish these Teestas,
    Sarabais and some sections of media stay away and stop keep
    on maligning Modi on every occasion and let the courts do their job.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    1) “I do not think that he is trying to influence or
    interfere in the courts proceeding”.

    Let us be clear on this. I was not alluding or accusing him of any such thing. My point was that perhaps the foot soldiers and their families were/are under some (wrong) impression , he would be there when needed, having built himself into that sort of a persona.

    2) Normal political fisticuffs are OK.

    3) My question was not about Modi as a politician. The question was of perception of the people regarding Modi.

    4) Your wishes re:Teestas and Malikas staying away are not going to be fulfilled.

    5) The convictions you are seeing is because there is no difference between a court in Gujarat and say one in Tamil Nadu. So a wonderful job is not something exclusive to Gujarat. Before Supreme Court appointed SIT took up a number of cases, mockery of justice was in evidence, as the prosecutors were behaving more like defence lawyers and the police were not doing their homework, what is a Judge supposed to do in such cases.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    1. Difficult to say. I know few people who are
    members of BJP party but have not met them
    since quite some time.
    3. No, I do not think so, the only thing which I
    noticed in my short stay in Gujarat was that
    people there some how don’t like Modi critisiziing regularly MSM and Gandhi family.
    According to them he does not need to do this,
    he should move away from these petty things
    and only focus on development. And they have noticed arrogance in these speeches
    of Modi. But, may be
    politics is played differently, the people I interact with are mostly upper middle class and
    Modi perhaps is targeting different segment
    of the society.
    4. What I was trying to say that unnecessary
    criticism of Modi which we regularly notice.
    5. Where riots case are concerned I think
    Gujarat courts are ahead of other states.
    Am I allowed to mentioned Delhi riots of 1984?

    Anonymous Reply:

    No issues on point 1 to 4.

    5. Sure you can mention Delhi 1984 – shameful and even more shameful is non delivery of justice. Worse only about half a dozen are being tried currently.

    Do not agree, Gujarat courts are not necessarily ahead, as they are independent of the executive -so no credit to Modi – if you were aiming at that. They are delivering justice because of the quality of investigations and prosecution thanks to the SIT. Moreover, the judges know there is a higher courts to review their work.

    I stand by earlier statement re: mockery of justice above.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Was I trying to give credit
    for the good work of Gujarat
    courts ? Well, I did not think in
    that term when I wrote my views but on second thought
    why not ? Under Modi, Gujarat
    has developed, prospered and
    overall law and order has improved and that perhaps has improved the working
    of the courts there. I don’t have
    a date about improvement in
    law and orders conditions of
    Gujarat, but you have to be
    present there to feel it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    One should not read too much into these things. These are standard electoral rhetoric speeches designed for claps from the front benches. You should worry about his singular ruthless grip on the state machinery.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We are aware of the rhetorical hot air let out by the politicians. If you notice, even his die-hard fans here were taken aback. ‘Nehru, Patel and Sonia. Bowing and towing and all that sort of thing’. Even the front benches must be wondering as to what he was trying to say.

    I think I will stick my theory – he has been out of the headlines afor quite sometime and that hurts.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi-

    You are like Murdoch’s Fox News in USA (may be all over his empire).

    1. You ask in a typical Fox fashion “why do people talk only about Ahmdiyas and not other cults”???
    – well, it is because the Mufti wanted Ahmadiyas to be banned. If another religious leader wants their subsects to be banned, I would guess; it will become news. Plus Muslims are the only ones, may be Pakistani Msulims, who kill their own subsects such as Ahmadiyas.

    2. You talk about an incident in Andhra Pradesh where four Hindu men desecrated a Hindu temple.

    You state “the intent was to start riots” when questioned that it did not produce any riots. How do you know the intent? They should be punished for their offence – desecrating a temple. Had a riot occurred, of course, they should be punished for causing a riot.

    So, if a riot was the objective, couldn’t they have desecrated a mosque also?

    You are the ultimate “Fox News” “fair and balanced” !!!!!!!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    You are like a Sangh Parcharak who only sees bad in Muslims.

    Yes Ahemadis are badly treated by the Sunni Muslims in Pakistan but then so are the Shia’s. Sectarian strife in Pakistan is older than current radicalisation of Islam. But your HINDU FUNDO brain will not acknowledge that, because you want to frighten HINDUs into the Sangh Fold. This trick is so old and played so frequently that it does not make the FOX news, so you don’t know it.

    It is absolutely true that only they know what their intent was when they scattered the dead cow’s parts in front of a temple. As I said there is a simple possibility that it was a vedic balidan that went wrong rather than a FAILED ATTEMPT to foment communal strife in Andhra Pradesh.

    Now I see that dyed in saffron SANGHI that you are, you have not presented what you think could have been an alternate reason for these four young men to dub a HOLY COW’s dead body in GREEN colour and leave it in front of a TEMPLE.

    Of course they could have desecrated the MOSQUE (perhaps they did not have Saffron Colour), they could have flown to FRUKHABAD, but the NEWS said they left it in front of a TEMPLE. So what do you think their intent was? Any idea? Was it meant for a BBQ which went wrong?

    You are the ULTIMATE SANGHI, for you ONLY Muslims do wrong, HINDUS – well MAKHAN does not MELT in their mouth does it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    You are obfuscating as usual.

    The news was about the Mufti wanting to declare Ahmadiyya as not Islam. The news was not that the chief priest of Golden Temple wanted the govt to declare Radhowhatever as not Sikh, or a Cardinal wanting the govt to declare protestants as not Christians. I am sure media, as well as bloggers here, will cover it appropriately if those declarations are made in public.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    take the hint. You are now a HINDOO FUNDOO. Branded as such by the secular fake sardar, one-time Hindoo, who goes by the fake name of Ravi.

    No point in trying to to prove yourself a normal Hindoo.

    Ravi Reply:

    Binoy

    As is always the case you are doing two things.

    1. You are focusing on the incident and not the underlying phenomenon.
    2. You are once again venting your islamophobic spleen.

    The Mufti has declared that Ahemadi’s are not Mulslim. This is neither new nor a unique declaration. Ahemadis were expelled from the Muslim fold almost as soon as the cult was set-up. This type of Fatwa’s are nothing new. Other Abrahamic religions do the same, the Pope Pontificates and Rabbi’s issue Rabbinical declarations. Catholics do not believe that Jehovah’s Witness are Christians despite the fact that Bible and Jesus Christ is their Messiah. Thousands of Orthodox Rabbi’s regularly declare reformed Jews as non-Jews.
    So please comment about the incident but contextualise it within a wider phenomenon that such incidents represent.
    The SGPC has declared that Dera Sacha Sauda are not Sikhs and have even requested that they do not include the SGGS in their religious meetings.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    Who is a label maker now here? Do not blame others when you too indulge in it very often.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    His list of HINDOO FUNDOOS IS getting longer by the hour.

    Shortly, only this fake Ravi and his congressi troll chum would be short-listed as the seculars (besides, of course, the blog master, Pathak ji).

    Ravi Reply:

    Retaliation is my right. Binoy knows that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    This fake Ravi is actually the ultimate Fox with its tail between its legs.

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  • Pankaj#1

    And Ravi;
    Why one should not discuss Ahamadiyas ? Atrocities against them is at all tiime highin Pakistan. next in line are Shias, third are baloch fourth are Sindhis, fifth are Muhajirs, sixth is pathans, 7th is poor punjabi mussalman, and mentioned in last but should be first, minority hindus and christians.
    So if we discuss ahamadiyas, it is perfectly alright.
    No murderous campaign against Radha soamis aur sachaa sauda.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Who said that Ahmedi’s plight must not be discussed? It should and I am.

    Shia’s are not next in line they have been in-line for much longer than the Kadiyanis ever existed.

    Blaochs and Sindhi’s, etc not sure what your point here is, regional discrimination exists in India as well. Not so long ago Shiv Senna and its offshoot scared the Biharis out of Maharashtra.

    Sascha Sauda guru was murdered in Scandinavia, but the main point I make and will repeat here. EVERY cult is despised by the parent religion from which it emanates. History of Christianity and Islam is a record of that. Sects within Hinduism in the South of India have historically been at each others throats.

    So discuss the phenomenon of persecution of ALL CULTS, not just Ahemadis as if that is a unique occurrence.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The discussion was not about the persecution of Ahmadiyas – it came as a corollary to the Mufti statement that Ahmadiya should be banned.

    “Sects of Hinduism in the South of India have been historically been at each others throats” – are you joking or serious?

    Are you talking about targeted killings/elimination or some common instance of one village vs other disallowing a road/access or what?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a “brainless retort” only this fake Ravi can make.

    Ravi Reply:

    Extremely serious. I am talking wars, temple desecrations, the full Monty

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    be honest to your self, please. Yes, may be main body of religious people may not like off shoots, granted. But no where, I say, No where, this will generate, a kind of hatred, which we see in sunni pakistan. These fundoos have have gone completely cuckoo.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    News is that a child-suicide bomber (possibly trained by Fake Ravi in Tora Bora) has exploded himself and killed 24 innocent people in Pakistan!

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    Now that is entirely a different point. I am just as concerned as you are of RADICALISATION of Sunni Islam under the influence of the Wahabi Sect, and the persecution of Ahemadi’s is a product of that radicalisation. But Religious Persecution is not new, it was not invented by the Sunni’s. It is a basic Human Condition and it has been with us through the ages and has engulfed within it A L L religions, Hinduism included.
    FUNDOS of ALL religions are CUCKOO. There is at least one here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    you said, “Who said that Ahmedi’s plight must not be discussed? It should and I am.”

    Do you now accept that you are an Ahmadiya?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy…there is some logic in your statement………but I am not sure I am able to follow it.
    But then I don’t get most of what you vomit here on a daily basis.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You cannot discuss the atrocities against all those communities you named, in Pakistan with Fake Ravi, bewcause he is a part of the oppressor, not victim. That is why.

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  • Anonymous

    Folks lets be “indifferent” to the DESERT CREED and its adherents , for there are far more pressing issues affecting the “indian” masses.
    I am talking about FARMER SUICIDE and the statistics that 60% of rural population subsists on 30Rs/day , in urban areas it is 60Rs/day.
    Given the above context MISSILES , SHOPPING MALL etc sound unbeleivably HOLLOW.
    ManoharT have been raccuous whenever mamata is mentioned , his silence is the same as BJP’s silence on sighvi CD saga.
    I have a garden like most of the houses in Britain have. by the act of law is forced to have a garden
    Now I have tried to grow vegetables , bringal .shimla mirch , tomatoes.
    BELEIVE ME IT IS HELL
    And this despite my background in biological sciences.
    The toughest is the LAWN. I have books , yet i cannot diagnose wheter it is waterlogging , or lack of fertiliser , or fungus , or lack of water.
    INDIA NEEDS A RADICAL RETHINK ON AGRICULTURE
    I had proposed before , ALL ADJOINING PLOTS TO COALESCE AND THE TITLE HOLDERS give up their land to a CORPORATION of which they become a share holder by virtue of the land . Then this business entity (say 100 acres) employs a CEO , a AGRO SCIENTIST ,A SOIL EXPERT AN IRRIGATION EXPERT.A MARKETING EXPERT
    most importantly MASSIVE BANK LOANS OR CAPITAL MARKET can be trawled
    AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND VITAL LINK CAPITALCAPITALCAPITAL
    this will bring indian agriculture to the western standards , and wont be reliant on vagaries of nature.
    Will the political class discuss this , NO THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN
    KAUN BANEGA PRESIDENT EK PARTICULAR QUOM SEY

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I am interested in gardening myself. would love to discuss it. Yes, lawn care is difficult, but results are very gratifying.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    I agree with both Shan and you. Maintaining a lawn is a tough job.

    I too maintained a small patch of lawn in my house in Delhi. In fact, mine was the only house which could boast of a lawn in the whole colony.

    I had to spend at least three hours every week to maintain it. But, the results, as you said, were very very satisfying.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy/Pankaj,

    Lawn? remove n from lawn and it becomes law. Does our
    government also thinks in a same way that since it is
    difficult to maintain lawn then surely it will be more difficult
    to maintain law, that is why they don’t even try.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan
    There are pockets of success in India. The issue is that success is not scaled up, mainly due to bureaucratic meddling.

    India produces enough food; but a good percentage goes waste because of lack of distribution infrastructure. I remember Shoeb listing the yield/wastage issues..

    India has to cut down the state’s role. My sense is that government involvement is too much.

    Anna Hazare village is one of the richest. All due to initiatives such as the ones you articulated. So, it is possible.

    India has to rethink what type of government, how candidates are elected, citizen’s rights vs government rights etc. Too much monkey business about vote banks etc resulting in sub optimal solutions.

    While America has its problems, it is by far the best political system in the world, I think.

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  • Anonymous

    This BALLS is a PEA NUT in the scrotum , a kabuterbaj , subsists on HUMAN TRAFFICKING

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan

    I think you went a bit far with Rizwan.

    Also–all have foreskin issue …almost all are circumcised now!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Went a bit far?

    This is the understatement of the year, after Pathak ji’s underest statement of applying closure to Gujrat by shooting the ‘culprit’.

    Shaan in fact went all the way in attacking Rizwan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is there any history ( between Shan and Rizwan) ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Aapka yeh bholapan, yeh masoomiyat hamein bahut pasand
    aayee.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha ha… loved the comment. But my question was genuine.

  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    Came back to blog with great hopes that by now, at least 50 posts should be there but alse, only few and none addressed to me. So, if you are still active, can we discuss RSS. it is getting late in the evening and I may not be able to finish discussion today, but nevertheless, I am ready to discuss things and will come back tomorrow, if required.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was waiting for you to respond as you had indicated earlier.

    As you must have noted, for the last 5 days or so, there has been furious activity during India daylight hours – starting May 01. Look forward to more this weekend – even during late evening and into the night, which should suit you.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi and others.

    As you had requested – this would be of interest to you – National GDP 2011.

    http://unidow.com/india%20home%20eng/statewise_gdp.html

    The following link was provided by Mohan re: FDI in Gujarat

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_gujarat-lags-in-fdi-gets-only-2-5pct-of-total-inflows_1606889

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    Anonymous Reply:

    thanks Manohar.

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  • Anonymous

    National Interest: Pranab, we presume
    Shekhar Gupta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-pranab-we-presume/945632/0

    Excerpts

    You cannot subject the second most important member of your government (after the prime minister) and the third most significant in your party (after Sonia and Rahul) to this ignominy of daily, real-time speculation. Or expose him to the usual five o’clock follies of your spokespersons, in whose defence the only thing you can say is that they do not know what they are talking about.

    ——

    In India, there is no practice of the newspapers endorsing candidates for the presidency. You’d also say that all the other candidates mentioned in this build-up, particularly Vice-President Hamid Ansari, and even Dr A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, look very well qualified for the job. So it is a rich, competitive field. Yet, if Pranab Mukherjee wants the job, he is not only the natural front-runner, he should have the right of first refusal on it. The debate on whether the president should be political or non-political is utter rubbish. The constitutional head of the republic is a political job and has to be performed as such, irrespective of where you find your incumbent from. If you have doubts, check the record of the Kalam presidency. He may have been trained as a missile engineer, but had to function as our most political president, handling — with moral authority and political elan — issues like Central rule in Patna in 2005, controversial judicial appointments, a national transition from NDA to UPA in 2004, and the Office of Profit Bill. And remember the first thing he did on being elected Rashtrapati on the NDA ticket? He went to Ahmedabad to talk to the riot victims as guardian of the Constitution. Hamid Ansari too has learnt the craft of politics well, as his stewardship of the Rajya Sabha has shown lately.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    he says “in India there is no practice by newspapwers to endorse a candidate”…

    Is n’t he doing that by writing this column?

    I, like Praveen, has lost interest in his writings.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with him that this is a political job. Like any other job, politicians must aim for this job as an icing on the cake after their long tenure in competitive politics.It’s not fair to offer this job to non-politicians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I tend to disagree.

    Dr. Radhakrishnan and Dr. Zakir Hussain were not politicians, never mind the fact it was Congress Party all over and President did not have to unduly worry about any out of the blue situations.

    Dr. Kalam was not a politician either.

    Let us say we need a non-partisan person to occupy that august office.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This office is the highest level of aspiration for any good and dedicated politician.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why politicians alone? It is applicable to all of us. People who have done wonders in other fields too. hat is why I would welcome someone like Narayan Murthy or Gopalkrishna Gandhi, there are lot many more distinguished Indians.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Narayan Murthy chose a corporate life consciously. Let him aspire for the highest possible level in the corporate life.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Pathak,

    Or it can be put this way that this office is the highest
    level of aspiration for any politician to occupy and debase it.

  • Anonymous

    A Pathan went to a red light area and spoke to a pimp.
    He told him ‘ 2000 for a girl, 500 for me and 300 for policeman’
    Pathan ‘ wow that is great, first bring the policeman’

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    really gr8

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is interesting to know that apart from brow beating and arm-twisting their ‘victims’ for bribe money, the police have this avenue for earning big bucks from ‘behind’.

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  • Pankaj#1

    OK Manohar;
    Just now you are not interested in me.
    Bye for the day.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ????

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Pankaj

    O am on the move… would have loved to discuss with u. Out ehre three or four people build castles in the air… and then live in them.

    So when the prosecution of Ahemadiyas has begun in India… they will get Modi and rape to justify it. I think you should smile at the moronic attempts at obfuscation.

    But need to remember that Ghzini got in this way…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How can he?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ Pathak

    You said

    Ask any mature lady friend if she has ever experienced or heard about men flashing in public in India. )

    Well Indians wont typically flash in public as the society code is different. Even on the nude beaches of Goa there are NO indians.

    But an Indian can really be Mqanu Singhiv. Ralk about Chaal, charitira , Chehara in public and then…. in private promise judgeship for a BJ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    First discuss it with any mature ( not old) lady and enhance your awareness.

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  • Anonymous

    Ram Autar, tajinder, engrich are all scum of the earth, but all of them too “claimed” to be Muslim.

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  • Anonymous

    Heart of stone

    http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/metroplus/article3383860.ece?homepage=true

    A painter and author, with a Masters degree in Clinical Psychology, what is a genteel woman doing camping with dacoits and visiting smugglers in their safe houses? For Ila Pal, it is not just in service of her novels, the latest of which is “Stealing Gods” (Pilgrims Publishing) about the clandestine international trade in antiquities sourced from India.

    There is a deeper reason. “I do get into situations which are very strange,” she admits. “I would say I do like to flirt with danger.” She takes many years, even decades to research her novels, meet the people involved in the violence-ridden and morally controversial subjects she writes about, who eventually turn into fictional characters. Her background in psychology makes her interested in “why they become what they become.” Back in the 1970s, when she met the dacoits — on whom the novel is only now ready — she even invited them home to dinner, sending her children scurrying for cover.

    ———–

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “pashan means stone”……

    One of the famous stories of Rabindranatha Tagore is “khubito Pashan” — hungry stones -

    Tapan Sinha made this into a movie. It was marvelous.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Will try and get hold of the movie.

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  • Anonymous

    What did she do to him … that he has to take sick leave …for the whole session.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes good question. I hope there was no canine or molar injury on….

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  • Anonymous

    Yesterday there was some discussion on Ahmedis. In Pakistan they are being
    stopped from building a mosque.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/374189/worship-place-it-no-longer-resembles-a-mosque/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Mohan, you failed the test.

    According to Ravi, you cannot report it unless accompanied by another report on Hindus stopping another Hindu sub sect from building a temple (which happens a lot according to him)…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thanks for reminding me, next time I will try to do what you have
    suggested. Or should I google and try to find some similar news
    of Hindus ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well you get a pass this time. But remember to google next time (it can be old news too…like Devdasis in Karnataka)

    Ravi Reply:

    In larger picture nothing is old. Devdasi is a contemporary reality. Just that you have become oblivious to it, because it is not being practiced by Muslims.

    Ravi Reply:

    No you stick to your anti-muslim news and I will balance them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I strongly object. My views have always been anti Pakistan state and not anti Muslims. You are completely wrong here.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ok so you keep being anti-Pakistan and I will add nuisances to it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I still object. I will reiterate that my views have been anti Pakistan, anti
    appeasement policies but never I repeat never anti Muslim.

    Ravi Reply:

    And I strongly repeat, what you say about yourself may well be correct, and I acknowledge that. But here in this blog there is hardly any difference between being an ant-Pakistan and being anti-Muslim.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Come to think of it, we must show a much larger urgency for bad things happening in our own society than showing concern for another society or religion.
    Harbhajan Singh was abused for visiting dera and dancing with a Ravan mask. Salman was criticised for Ganesh worshipping. Kalam was called not muslim enough perhaps having picture of maa sarswati on his room wall. Not few km from the capital, an young boy gets thrashed badly for drinking water from a well meant for the high caste.

    The list can go on. Your country needs your valuable time and energy. Don’t waste them on Pakistan. It will continue to detoriate. Talk about Pakistan when it matters to India. Else, just ignore.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak

    A news item is reported or quoted — There was a report of 800 or so unclaimed bodies in Delhi we discussed..woman dying in childbirth on public road….

    Mohan reported this because there was a report on the Kashmir Mufti demanding to GOI that Ahmadiyyas be dclared as non-Muslims.

    Now, Mohan failed the test per Ravi. He should have googled for one of the instances in your second para and reported along with that!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, we must discuss Ahmadiyyas in the context of kashmiri/Indian society.

    Ravi Reply:

    The arrest of Four HINDU youths caught red handed desecrating a Temple with parts of a COW dubbed in Green colour was also a NEWS item. It was carried by The Hindu.

    I did not see you making any comment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    We should not waste time on Pakistan ? That means no
    relation with them ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You missed my point. I said discuss Pakistan when it matters to India.Else, just let it implode in its own.

    Ravi Reply:

    Agreed

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I will keep this in mind and you also make
    sure of the same thing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I usually do. I do not even bother about Pakistani Hindus, because they chose to live there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    I was talking in general term
    not about Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought my comment was about Pakistan!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak-
    Did they really choose? May be they could not escape being on the other end of Pakistan — Wasn’t the division and “settlement” done quite fast?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Many years have passed since then. Perhaps many Muslims also got trapped there going by the same standard.

    Ravi Reply:

    Many such caste discrimination incidents are a dialy life for many of our citizens. These incidents have been so normalised that victims do not even report the incidents, they just bear it.

    Let us not talk about this, lets focus on a Kashmiri Mufti issuing a Fatwa.

    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi I thought you were above this kind of rubbish. Then again you have surprised me many a times.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MOhan

    This blog has very funny viewpoints running here. Now all what Paksitan has done in killing millions of minorites, exterminating Ahemadis, converting Hindus, behading Sikhs, punishing CHristians is forgotten. 9/11 and 26/11 is a samll minor occurance. The London train bombs are a joke.

    Becasue as per Ravi, Manohar and Engrich , four hindus who were plotting to kill an animal have been found.

    PatahakG as the COngress observer here, is also suitably impressed with the arguement !!

    I think you should add this to your repertoire of jokes !!!!!!!!!!

    As per

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    Ravi Reply:

    Plotting to kill……you know more than I do. I thought the animal was in pieces and those who were throwing it to descrate the temple were HINDUs

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you know why it is pointless to carry on conversation with him. Like the resident head(less) priest, he will imagine, attribute statements to others and use them to score brownie points or fly kites in an empty sky. I have simply stopped responding to him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank u manohar !

    I think life in an imaginary castle in the air creating the web of fiction must be very very good…

    Anonymous Reply:

    when this congressi troll tries to be funny, even the sky becomes empty! And he can prove it!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    It was a bad occurrance for which plotters need punishment. However it shoul not be used to balance all the million murders committed by jehadis in the past 15 years. THAT OWULD BE VERY FUNNY!

    Anonymous Reply:

    What was a bad occurrence?Potting to kill or throwing animal body parts?

    Ravi Reply:

    And may I ask who is trying to balance that. Not me. I deplore all the violence committed by the Jihadi’s.

    What I was equating and balancing with is this notion that in India it is only the Muslims who start riots. When it is quite the opposite Muslims are harassed by Hindu Rightists and goaded into violent reaction. Many elders in the community have become wise to this kind of provocation and restrain themselves, but the younger element occasionally react violently and then people like you never fail to implicate them in riots when the provocation clearly came from the Saffron Elements in our society.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ok u are right the animal was in pieces. SO it now absolves the Paksitani training camps of 100000 suicide bombers. Right?

    Ravi Reply:

    I do not know about that. But there is ample proof that such a dastardly act was directly responsible for the failure of USA’s Lunar Mission.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    There was a big issue between Ahmadiyya and MIM here last month. MIM said they are not Muslims , but Kidwanis, they do not have the right to quote prophet Mohamed etc.

    The MIM MLA Ahmed Balala led a large procession against Ahmadiyyas, walked into the ACP’s office and demanded that the Ahamdiya community centre be shut down!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahadevn,

    I had also read about this news few days back. The difference between
    Pakistan and Indian is that in Pakistan there is sort of state sanction
    for these anti-Ahmediyya views. They are discriminated openly and
    no one comes to their rescue. I hope that India because of their appeasement centric policies do not fall in this trap.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where was this?

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  • Anonymous

    BG Verghese – “A nation under siege”

    http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnists/a-nation-under-siege/387884.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Almost on similar line an article is written by Kuldeep Nayyar which I read
    this morning.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Gopi

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  • Anonymous

    Are they discriminated in Pakistan or not?

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  • Anonymous

    Chandrasekharan, a local ex Marxist leader is hacked to death near Calicut.

    Tension in the air, localised hartals; statewide bandhs etc will follow..plus possibly more will get killed..

    This is what various political party leaders say:

    “UDF (congress coalition) killed him and blamed CPM to win a bye elction next month ” – leader of CPM
    “Muslim League killed him and blamed CPM as a payback for CPM’s relentless attack against kunjalikutty, the defacto CM” – leader of another Marxist group

    “CPM killed him because the party wants to teach a lesson to any potential defectors” – Congress

    “CPM killed him and blamed on Muslim League so people, especially Ezhavas will be further agitated against Muslim league” – Musllm League

    Sounds like Akiro Kurosawa’s movie “Rashomon” !

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–~~~~ WHY WE SHOULD CARE FOR THE MINORITIES OF PAKISTAN ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Pathak commented that the plight of the HIndus in Pakistan does not bother him as they chose to stay there. Ravi immediately jumped up in glee and shouted “Agreed.” Manohar then tried to shoot a wild canon at me… and is itching to get the topic onto Modi…

    Well I find it funny… pretty cowardly … and frankly sickening.

    A human heart is a human heart, a human mind is a himan mind irrespective of state, religion or country. As Paksitan beheads its Sikhs, forcibly converts its HIndus, extermintes the Ahemadiya and scares, burns and jails the CHristians only a callous mind and heart would forget the universal declaration of human rights.

    In case we chose to remain indifferent, we would be inviting those very forces of evil to light similar fires in India thru the countelss attacks of terror Paksitan launches in India….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So far only Mohan and Mahadevan have responded to my comment that I don’t bother about Pakistan or Pakistani Hindus unless it matters to India. How did you manage to get Ravi and Monahar into it?

    And you find my comment sickening ? Suddenly you discovered a human heart in you?
    When did your human heart last bleed for an underprivileged? Or, does it bleed selectively BJP-neutral Vijay?

    Your love for Pakistani Hindus will not stop the Pakistani terror group attack India. To prevent the attack on your country, just upgrade the security.

    Learn to differentiate. They are Pakistanis. You and I are Indians. Period.

    The Country comes first, right?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi immedialtey said “agreed” when you stated that you dont give a dman about the plioght of Pakistani Hindus.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps you need your old set squares to map the reply alignments. Gopi is right. You don’t give 100%.You are too casual.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of ccourse I dont give my 100%. Agar 40% se yeh result mil raha hai toh 100% se kya hoga…?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right.You might end up making 2 and half times more blunders.

    Ravi Reply:

    He only bothers when the Muslims are involved. He cares about Donkeys in building sites, never mentions women folk who even through their full term pregnancy – work on these sites for pittance.

    These khanabadosh people build large houses so people like Vijay can live in them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and what about the rapes?
    why your otherwise voluble tongue doesn’t lash at these daily abuses?

  • Anonymous

    This is Indian Secularism for you… a new benchmark

    ” I do not even bother about Pakistani Hindus, because they chose to live there”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s high time you chose to be singularly with our country. Else Pakistan will also start worrying about Muslims here, which I m sure you would not like.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just as injustice to Muslims , whether real or imaginary, agitates the minds of Muslims ,all over , injustice and atrocities on Hindus anywhere in the world , for reasons of their faith , shall be cause of worry to many of us Hindus here

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If you love their way of being then go be one of them.Convert.

    It’s easy to convert and become a muslim. Hope you will NOT try to reconvert. The reverse process is very difficult…..you know you have to drink cow urine, eat cow dunk….still the result is not guaranteed, though you may get a special reservation for a job under dalit or SC quota.

    Anonymous Reply:

    ” If you love their way of being then go be one of them.Convert ”
    So find their ways quite despicable .

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am glad.

    Value what you are and what you could be!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Even without converting, you are talking the language of the jihadi.

    Shame on you Vinodji. Not expected of the Editorial Director of HT.

  • Anonymous

    Pathak

    If you were a good Indian and have the power… you could get the Pakistani Hindus, Ahemdiyas, Sikhs, Christains and non fanatic Mulslims to bomb the ISI offices. GOod for Paksitan… good for India.

    Pakistani Mulsims have no right to comment about Indian Muslims, till they ban blasphemy, allow Hindu men to marry Muslim girls, remove the ban on AHemdiyas, allow Chirstian priests to convert and practice their religiosn. Once they allow all that and also punish the marauding mobs who kidnap Hindu gilrs, they can comment about Indian Muslims.

    Of coure first of all they have to amend the constitiution to allow Christan, Sikhs or AHemdiays as PM’s and presidents.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Pakistan is not worth to discuss even for an iota of time..
    It would be great if Lord Shiva opens his third eye and transform the place into ash.
    But that is not going to be.
    So, two things – 1) we have to be vigilant and 2) Relentless pursuit to denuke them.

    On (1), elements of our politics (coalition)political leaders/bureaucrats are in collusion with the agents of extremist elements.

    Extremist pro-pakistani (as well as Paksitanis rumoured to be) Jehadis have crept into political organizations like Muslim League in kerala. Many in Muslim League itself have started saying this. Aryadan Muhamed, a Congress minister in the UDF cabinet has openly satted that SIMI members are operating under the disguise of Muslim League.

    I have mentioned many a time in these blogs about the senior police IG , Tomin Thachankaery. He was suspended by Achuthanandan ministry for terrorist connections, having met Dawood people in the middle east, having assisted pakistanis to buy property …

    The first thing the UDF government did when they won the election last March was to reinstate him.

    But all these revolve around corruption – for money, for the false belief in getting votes/maintaining majority in assembly/parliament etc. I consider the Adarsh people as terrorists. So also the NREGA money stealers. So also the defence procurement guys. The list goes on.

    Some Kasabs kill hundreds. Other Kasabs, such as Aswathama, kill thousands and their seeds and progenies..

    Aswathama, according to our classics, is a “chiranjivi”, wandering around still ….But instead of one as the great poet rishi envisaged, looks like we have too many Aswathamas, not wandering under hiding, but sending their agneyastram in the open.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Thank you for the perspective form the South. I am as worried as you on what will finally happen to this subcontinent. I have a feeling and od I hope I am wrong– the nukes will finally come intot he hands of Hafeez Saeed or his clone one day. COuld be thru the ballot or thru terror.

    It is incumbent upon us not to lower our guard at all.

    I work a little with the human mind and I know that it responds to what it percieves to be the truth. It is time some rationalist organisations prove unequivocally to all, that what has been written in scriptures– be it any religion– does not stand scrutiny under the gaze of reality. That we have to extract the goodness of scriptures as indicative texts and not reality. The wind has to be taken out of the sails of all the evil men and women who train suicide bombers.

    And it can be only done by showing that the teacher as well as the religious text is wrong.

    Some days back… a psychologist forwarded to me the conffessions of a suicide bomber from Swat valley. Among other things, the 14 year old boy was convinced that once he pressed the button on jacket, he would become eligible for eating 70 kilo goats in paradise.

    It would have been sad, had it not been so funny.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    There was a statement by a western “aid” spokesperson when he visited Pakistan ==on the preponderence of madrasas, youngsters fervent belief in the 70 girls etc…he remarked “why do we build schools here, it is a waste, we should build schools in the other world where these youngsters end up”

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a good joke.

    The jihadis and their sympathisers here may also smile for once.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think a good joke of what Paksitan has become…

    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Without doubt, great-armed one, the restless mind is hard to control, but by practice, Kaunteya, and by detachment it is controlled. Undisciplined by the self, union is hard to achieve, thus is my opinion; but by self-controlled effort one is able to reach it by this means.’
    ———-
    Hey Arjun ( Vijay ) !

    I know it’s difficult for you to think at this moment. But Pakistan is an enemy country.
    They all belong to the enemy country. As a great warrier, you must stop being in your confused state of mind like always. Open your eyes. See you have your finger on our great Agni missile. It took 30 years to develop this. Now that NDA has helped Pakistan to become “openly declared Nuclear State”, Kayani will not think twice if you are Vijay Dinanath Chuhan or Vijay khanna a or Vijay Khan. Our DRDO is yet to make multi-headed nuclear missiles with Bio-Physics enabled independent nuclear heads targetting only to Pakistani Muslims.

    So hey Partha! Pick up your Agni V shatra on your shoulder, fire at Pakistan.
    A Pakistani is a Pakistani is a Pakistani.
    Don’t rub, press the button! Now!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon… targetting Pakistani Muslims is standard victimhood phobia…

    Even Ravi when drunk thinks that the world is creating an Anti Muslim Pill !!!! :) :)

    Brother Pathak, Vijay ki chaati par Amar Akbar Anthony likha hai. Pakistani Muslim is am much my brother as the Paksitani Qadiani.

    Both should join hands as brotehrs and kill the ISI and Hafeez Saeed …

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    Ravi Reply:

    I never drink that much. The pill is your invention like much of what you say about me here is.

    You are so much BJP Neutral, that to you every one who is not in your granfather’s Shakha, then he must be anti-national and therefore muslim and pro Pakistan.

    You must be extremely happy, like most village idiots are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Lajpat Hagar central market’s tattoo stays for few days. Try that tattoo trick on your this-week’s girl friend. She would giggle for hours.

    Anonymous Reply:

    (Lajpat) Hagar the Horrible in Delhi? Lucky Eddie can’t be far behind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Like you worry about Pakistani Hindus, your uncle Hafeez worries about Indian Muslims. What a Chacha-Bhatija Jodi!

    Ravi Reply:

    :) , :) , :) , :) , :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Plan B – get all kaali topi, white shirt, khaakhi knicker wearing ‘desh bhakts’ to simply charge across with those lethal laaThis to order the Pakistani Muslims to pack their bags (nuclear weapons not allowed) and go settle some place else.

    Of course, they should never forget to proclaim that they are RSS/BJP neutral, lest there be any suspicions in the minds of the frightened Pakistani Muslims on the true purpose of the ‘invasion’.

    After the deed is done, they can fly kites in the empty sky, celebrating ‘Vijay diwas’.

    Next target – Bangladesh – how ‘dare’ they amend their constitution making Islam the state religion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In your passionate defence of the Pakistani Muslim establishment, yu have become delusional, donning the role of Parthasarathi and lecturing to Vijay Kumar.

    I think, today being Saturday, you have started on your beer guzzling quite early.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just had a huge Singapore Fish head curry. Beer postponed till 9pm.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay Binoy Shenoy Saxena Gopi etc

    Did any of you ever, repeat EVER gain anything by arguing with RAVI? More fool you.

    One of the hindus has said the police tortured him to get a quick closure of desecration case. He is a known criminal. Let investigations be complete. In future pl u all ignore ravi completely to keep blog sane.

    Pathak puttar, no one else speaks for Pak hindus, cant we? How u feel if some bearded muulla comes to yr house, abducts then rapes her and makes her utter kalima. One ounce pl puttar of humanity

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said Balwinder.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,

    If you want to help Pakistani minorities, then do not waste your time on this blog.
    Use your resources raising money internationally, create a public opinion, create a UN mandated programme so that the Pakistani minorities can migrate and settle abroad. There are many rich Hindus, Muslim and Christians settled abroad. Request them to help Pakistani minorities with their education, job and business.

    Don’t waste time saying “mera bhi dil rota hai”!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Well said Pathak

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    Anonymous Reply:

    we know aap ka dil “separated at birth” par rotha rehta hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did you wonder why I didn’t invite them to India?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji, very well said.

    This Pathak puttar will keep crying about the separation at birth, but will not even say the Pak Hindus are in grave danger of being totally annihilated.

    As for the fake called Ravi, he will always be countered, word for word.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Pathak

    Now you have tied yourself into knots trying to defend the murder of minorities by the Pakistani state and some of its citizens.

    You know what?

    In case you are caught with pants down after making a huge mistake… it is better to say sorry than try to do salsa in a compromising position !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am very comfortable with my pants down. Owner’s pride. Never had to say or feel sorry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    you should switch over to dhoti.

    No need to down the pants and then feel proud of it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Smart one !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ahhh Dhoti !!!

    Seems you have not forgotten your dhoti experience!

    It’ summer again ! Looks like you are missing the kaju,kismis topped icecream again !

    Anonymous Reply:

    My dhoti experience is nowhere as hilarious as your pants-down bhangra.

    And looks like you are yearning for the good old days when you were inside the skin of Prahlad!!!!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Naturally you can not laugh with a big icecream in mouth.

  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ WHY RAHULG , salman troll, digivnash G and SAMAJWADIS are dangerous~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    The UP election campaign got the worst out of the Congress and the SP. Mostly the COngress. Sonia G cried at the plight of the dead terrorists. Rahul G and Digviansh G camped at Azamgarh… shedding tears, beers and leers.

    And now the live terrorists want to be declared heroes.

    here is a news clip from HT. The terror guys from IM who escaped from Batla house after killing policemen want to be given Padma Shri. COngress and SP will probably back this claim withj spin.

    ————————————-

    Reliable sources while refusing to get into the “political entry point” of the matter told IANS that the Anti-Terror Squad (ATS) of UP and the home department had been informally asked to study the matter and brief the top bosses on the workability of the possible surrender.

    A senior SP leader avoided a direct question on whether Mulayam Singh Yadav was in receipt of a letter by Javed Akhtar, father of one of the terrorists.

    But he said the leadership was “seized of many such matters” and that the party was seriously working towards finding a solution on all those who have been falsely framed and to get them justice.

    This particular case pertains to Asadullah Khan and Ariz Khan of Azamgarh who escaped from Delhi after the Batla House encounter of Sep 19, 2008.

    Understood to be hiding in UP for the last three years, the two alleged IM terrorists have the Delhi Police in hot pursuit. Their families fear for their lives now.

    Together, the duo carries a reward of Rs.6 lakhs on their heads.

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  • Anonymous

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    ~~~ PATHAK AFTER LOSING BATTLE compares all Indian nationalists to hafeez Saeed !!! ~~~
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    All you Indians who want to see Pakistan flower as a democracy !!

    All you Indian who want that Paksitani Chirstians, Sikhs, HIndus, Ahemadiyas should not be massacred…

    All you liberals who beleive that women should not be pushed into veil, not made to follow the Taibani edicts….

    Pathak ji has just declared that ALL OF US ARE LIKE HAFEEZ SAEED !!!!!

    And Ravi in the background has taken of his Kachcha and dancing in happiness !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “….PATHAK AFTER LOSING BATTLE….”

    Got any shame left ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Never had any. He lies by exageration

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sialkot se aaye aawaz

    Hafeez Saeed Zindabad !!!!!!!!

    Ravi Reply:

    दिल्ली में सुनाई दिया मोहन भागवत जिंदाबाद

    Anonymous Reply:

    London ke gutter se oopar aayi Fake Rvi’s ki walrus mustache.
    Aur ek cheek bhi sunayi di “bhala meri walrus moonch Mohan Bhagwat ki moonch se kaise kam lambi ho sakti hai?

    Ravi Reply:

    Aur Bangaluru ke gutter se aayi awwaz bhala kisi aur ki लंगोट मेरे से जियादा टैट कैसे हो सकती है

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Really good imagery. Charles Dickens and Shakespeare would be proud… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Declaring a nationalist who beleives in secularism, gender equality, religious parity and democracy sans Naukercy… as a follower of Hafeez Saeed is the bugle of a loser !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Use the Central Market Mehndi Tattoo on your chest…perhaps it would glorify your idea of being a nationalist….

    By the way, when are you becoming a federalist ?

    See mehndi tattoo helps quickly change “Nationalist” to “federalist”, BJP-Neutral Vijay !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    this kind of low level jibes and sarcastic retorts may be the staple diet for people like this fake Ravi, but as the blog master, we expect you to counter other bloggers’ points with cogent arguments.

    Lacking in humour is no crime, nor anything to be ashamed. But, posting this tattle-prattle only to get wah, wahs from the jihadis and your congressi troll here, it is really sad for your blog.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean you can freely jibe away, but others have to counter your jibes with content. I have scarcely seen you ever offer any content beyond tittle tattle

    Anonymous Reply:

    From where you reside, it is a wonder you are seeing anything at all!

    Ravi Reply:

    I am able to see much better than you considering that you have your head burried in the Hinduatva quagmire

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is because of that vast deficit in intelligence and it is too late fill those empty cavities in the cranium. Whatever is left is very precious little and is being optimally used to abuse others. Therefore, debates and counter points is out of the question.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It does not cost anything to ’self proclaim’ victory. Recall how Pakistan was claiming ‘vijay’ in 1971 in then East Pakistan right till the end. Like Hafeez and uncles, like nephew.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ultimately despite the killer of Ahemdiyas, HIndus and Sikhs of Pakistan– Shri Gen Yahyhya Khan claiming vicotry, the jeet was of Democracy, secularism, and India.

    So you guys who support HafeeZ saeeds agenda of killing HIndus, SIkhs, AHemdiyas, Christians, Qadianis can keep deluding yourself!!

    No tears for AHemdiyas, no tears for HIndus being converted, no tears for sikhs being beheaded in Paklsitan….

    My god how do you look into your eyes in the mirror while shaving Manoharji?

    Ravi Reply:

    Just like you have no tears for Poor People who work on the sites you visit.

    No tears for the unborn female child in your own home state.

    No tears for girls abandoned in temples to be raised as prostitutes.

    No tears for dalits not allowed in the middle of the village or to the communal well or even in some temples.

    Etc etc.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have only derisive laughs for the 5000 daily rapes of dalit women in India by upper caste Hindus.

    Ravi Reply:

    5000 is an under estimate.

    Anonymous Reply:

    in that case revise your guesstimate and begin vomitting here. Pathakji will no doubt approve and also applaud.

    Ravi Reply:

    Your guess is as good as mine, considering that sexual exploitation of Dalits by the Caste Hindus has been in epidemic proportions for centuries.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    In the same manner as Engrich sexually exploits o for the past seix decades?

    Ravi Reply:

    Pathetic retreat into abuse by a looser

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Vijay Kumar is the most favoured employer among small building contractors and consultants. So dont shoot spin in the Tora Bora sky :)

    Vijay Kumar has also scripted an ad filim for ministry of HRD telecast repeatedly on various channels and was among the first to highlight the adverse gender ratio.

    The rest our figments of Tora bora imagination to justify Osma’s and Hafeez Saeed’s agenda

    Ravi Reply:

    Who says so.
    Vijay Kumar, self congratulation is no reccomendation it is just a form of childish boast.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Sure it is a good thing to boast about.

    Unlike jehadis who boast about the murder od Ahemdiayas, the beheading of Sikhs, the …converting HIndus.

    Arre ravi… be prepared. I am going to convert you from a suicide bombing jehadi to a liberal very soon. The reverse brainwash operation is on on you now…

    Ravi Reply:

    Your imagination is something you can rightly boast about.

    It detaches itself from any modicum of reality and roams freely in Catherine Cookson Country.

    Ravi Reply:

    और तुम सरे बाज़ार नंगे घूम रहे हो

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    U r quite a hoot. Your Anti- Muslim Pill was a pill which only Manohrji, Engrich, Hafeez Saeed Swallowed. !!

    Whenver i have a party… I tell it to friends… and all of them wnat to meet u !

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    Ravi Reply:

    You mean the pill you invented. You are prime Islamophobe who dresses it up as Ultra Nationalism.

    Just shows what a sad ghit you are that you discuss such serious issues during a party.

    You sound like a local BORE

    Anonymous Reply:

    He may be a bore.
    But you are the much reviled boor here,
    always spreading your anti-India, anti-Hindu venom all over the blog.

    Ravi Reply:

    Just to counter your mindless anti Muslim and rabidly anti secular India venom.

    You are a venomous viper here, also reviled by many.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Ravi your pushing Hafeez Saeed’s agenda is getting funnier and funnier. Arre Tauba Tauba… kuch toh sharam karo…

    Jis desh ke blog par naachte ho… whan par thaali mein surakh karte ho…

    Tauba Tauba…. Ravi.. sharam Karo..

    Hafeez ki Ga_ __ par maaro laat aur mard bano…

    Ravi Reply:

    You are pushing the RSS agenda which is Hinduatva (which is not much different from what Hafiz Saeed does) and you are very anti Secular India.

    You wish to change its constitution and infuse into it medieval Hindu values.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is his chosen pesha.
    He gets paid for being anti-national and anti-Hindu. He is also duty-bound to infest blogs like this with his poisonous vomit.

    Ravi Reply:

    Just like you are on the RSS propogandist list. You too get paid for pushing the Hinduatva agenda.

  • Anonymous

    Somebody commented as follows
    Pathak commented that the plight of the HIndus in Pakistan does not bother him as they chose to stay there. Ravi immediately jumped up in glee and shouted “Agreed
    GUJRATI WOMEN GOT RAPED AND MURDERED DURING THE RIOT DOESN’T BOTHER ME , THEY CHOSE TO LIVE IN DRY AND ARID GUJRAT ,THEY SHOULD HAVE MOVED TO WEST BENGAL, THE RIOT FREE STATE
    it also doesn’t bother me BANGLADESHI WOMEN WERE RAPED IN MILLIONS BY THE PAK SOLDIERS DURING 1971 WAR , THE STUPID WOMEN DESERVE IT WHY THEY DIDN’T CROSS OVER TO INDIA
    My feeling is Pathak knows bengalee
    sobar uporey manush satya tahar upere nai
    Humanity transcends everything , there is nothing beyond it
    Another one
    Oehitay sob bhinno bhinno antimey sob ekangi
    Only when there is life in the body all appear different yet at the end all are subsumed into one

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I have still not had my first peg of the evening so I am not sure whether
    I am in my senses or not.

    We should stop worrying and talking about the plight of non Indians
    because we are Indians and we are only suppose to talk and worry about Indians only.
    Then we should stop worrying about Muslims, Christains, Sikhs and people of other religions because we are hindus and we should only care about hindus.
    Then we should stop worrying about people of other states because they
    did not decide to stay in our state.
    Then we stop worrying about people staying in other cities and towns
    of our state for the same reason.
    Again for the same reason we should also not care about the people
    who do not stay in our areas.
    We should also stop worrying about people who do not stay with us in our
    homes.
    We should stop caring about our spouses and children because sometimes
    they dare to have a different point of view then us .

    I am sure I will be very very happy living alone without any worries in the world
    as I have closed my mind to all other things which are happening around us.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    very well stated.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Excellent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    shokran ya habibi.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Maafi Mushkil.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I thought you had nothing to do with Pakistan !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    For a change I did not use my mind, – which nornally does not happen – this came from my heart. I am back to normal, and yes we should not have any relations with Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sure. By all means worry about people as human beings – not selectively based on the person’s religious or ethnic or any other persuasion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Like fake Ravi, Pathakji too is a fake ID. It is astoundingly inhuman and insensitive for Vinodji to make such a statement that because Hindus chose to stay back in Pakistan now they cannot rue their fate.

    Can anyone forget that it was the Muslims who wanted a separate homeland and got it?

    How can anyone forget that for the Pakistani Hindus, it WAS their homeland too?

    And didn’t the father of their nation grandly announce that the Hindus can go to their temples, and practise their religion and nobody would interfere, because religion is a private matter?

    Was it not the responsibility of the Nehru-led government of the congress party to incorporate safeguards for the Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan in the India Independence Act?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Care for people who chose to stay here, in the country called India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Care is selectively used – it depends what the religion of the person is.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    who was the poet?writer who said this first… just very apt actually.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

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    ~~~ APOLOGIES TO ALL BLOGMATES~~ who may feel I am pushing it too far ~~~
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    MC Sharma got killed at Batla house defending India. Congress, Amar Singh, Arundhati Roy ran there to defend…. THE TERRORISTS. Salman Khurshid revealed that Sonia ji Bhavook ho gayi aur phoot phoot kar rone lagi.

    Today the terrorists of IM who escaped from Batla house want to BECOME POLITICANS and come out in the open, even though they have a reward of Rs 6 lakhs on thier head.

    26/11 happened. The mentor of the future PM, Shri Digivinash Singh rushed to absolve the LeT and instead called it the RSS ki saazish.

    Dont we deserve to be raped by the LeT in case we have such third class leaders. And a soft hearted soft head. Let us Learn from the US which is brutal on the terrorist.

    On real life.. all of us , including me, have to keep our mouth shut at times. This is a Blog. Here i am jsut trying to convert the Hafeez Saeeds and Digvijay Singhs of real life.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,

    You posted the ultimate truth in lower case while lots of regular stuff in ALL CAP.

    Explain to the Blog mates the following line, so that it never leaves their soul :

    sobar uporey manush satya tahar upere nai
    Humanity transcends everything , there is nothing beyond it

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    I don’t know how many of you live happily with your own brothers, sisters.

    I am even sure how many of you care about your own old parents.

    I don’t even care to think how many of you really care to live with your neighbours with a brotherly bonding.

    It’s futile to think how many of you really bothered to look at the unprivileged, dalits, Schedule Caste with empathy.

    It’s disgusting to think how many of you really showed tolerance to people from other religion in your own country.

    How many of you really ever bothered about plights and poverty of Nepali hindus ?

    Some of you even perhaps would laugh and ridicule the pure hindu rituals of nepalis thinking them to be backward.

    But.

    But you have great sympathy for the hindus who stayed back in Pakistan !

    Drop.

    Drop your hypocracy.

    First be a human. Then talk about humanity.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Beautifully said.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Pathak show me one post here from you where you shed tears for nepali Hindus, wehre you showed us ways to finish of the caste system.

    Then Comment.

    You made a bad confession that the plight of the beheaded Sikhs, Hindus and Ahmedyias does not move you.

    just apologise and get over with it, rather than trying to hope that others too suffer from the same callousness

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Learn to empatise and love your own countrymen first.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I love my countrymen enough. I dont have to boast of my personal things on this blog.

    In my blogs I have alsways talked about an equal, genderr equal, religious equal India free from communal pandering, family naukercy, free from corruption in both defence and civilain matters.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Last evening, I talked about the possibility of a girl being molested on the platform, your first question was ” Pathak! Did you molest the girl? How do you know that a girl was molested?” This you asked even after reading some Times report.

    Any third grade sensible man would have asked ” is it true?”

    Judge yourself your level of empathy and humanity.

    Rub that “religious equal” mehndi tattoo off that you keep flaunting.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Brother Pathak in 2002 I was pretty freindly with a journo from _ _TV. She told me that all the journos were sensing that Godhra reports will light up fires and riots as the thought of 58 relligious people charred by mobs is inflammatory.

    They were under specific instructions after in house discussions to make it sound as if the Karsewks had done some wrong so that there was justification for the burning.

    Unfortunately the Gujjus I talked to, took this stroy of the molestation as a further incitement.

    Till date that girl has not been found, named or anything. The Newsweek story on the Karsewaks flashing has to be pure nonsense. As I have travelled with Kawdis. They can get angry and violent. But would never never become flashers.

    So spin created was just kerosene which lit the anger.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We can discuss all that later.

    First check your own “response system” and see if that is in congruence with the “value system “you are trying to flaunt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is there any value system in the first place?

  • Anonymous

    Looks like the Blog is on fire.
    Is it safe to be around tonight ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Devdutt,

    Of course you are, just don’t forget to wear your helmet.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As long you sit next to a fire brigade engine. ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    @devdutt

    Take the front seat and enjoy.

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  • Pankaj#1

    All;
    Joke is about a Pakistani but considering sensitivity of many Pakistanis who read/ write in this blog, forget about it that in original joke, as narrated by Ezaz Haider.
    A a man went with a gun to hunt a grizzly bear, when he spoted one, raised his gun, and in a jiffy, bear was on him, snatched his gun, slapped him and said, I will not kill you, but pull your pants down, and after doing his business, bear allowed him to leave. Incensed hunter, brought a more powerful gun, and saw the same bear, but before hunter could fire, bear was staring at him, standing very near to him. Ordered hunter again to pull down his…Now that got the goat of hunter real hard. He bought and brought the most powerful gun in the market to hunt the bear, but the same thing happened and after doing his business, bear asked him, are you really interested in killing me _ Ya shaukia yahan aate ho?

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Gr8 one !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Superb joke.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • Anonymous

    Rajnath Singh wants Hindi in apex court

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Rajnath-Singh-wants-Hindi-in-apex-court/articleshow/13011254.cms

    “I was surprised when I came to know that the lawyers were allowed to plead the cases in English only in the Supreme Court of India. This practice is applicable in High Courts also,” said the former National President of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

    ———–

    He is surprised? Does he not know Bharat and what is happening? Where was he all these years?

    The best part are the comments. Make it a point to read them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I did not know that in supreme and high courts English is used. I had only been
    once to the court in Kutch where everybody spoke Gujarati. Judge, lawyer and
    witnesses were conversing in Gujarati.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi & Mohan

    The point is not what language is used in courts. It is Rajnath Singh and ludicrous suggestion he has made.

    Does he expect Judges to know all the official languages thoroughly and the laws too. Imagine two parties in a dispute – one arguing the case in Tamil and the other in Gujarati.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Rajnath like any other politician is playing politics. He thinks he may get some
    votes by promoting Hindi.

    Ravi Reply:

    You mean there are other vote banks, other than the Muslim Vote Bank which the Congress tries to secure by appeasing Muslims.

    Who is Rajnath trying to appease??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Yes there is a vote bank. Non English speaking people. There are plenty out there
    who are being targeted. Mulayam Singh and Raj Thaktrey have already tried this method.

    Ravi Reply:

    And here I was under the impression that only Congress indulged in Vote Bank Politics.
    I wonder where I got that impression from??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Children learn from parents.

    Ravi Reply:

    That is true. So you accept that children have learnt and are now expert practitioners.

    Anonymous Reply:

    From your jihadi training.

    Ravi Reply:

    You are absolutely correct, it may be the remnant of the month I spent in the Ajmal Khan Park RSS Shakha.

    Ravi Reply:

    I amy be wrong, but I thought you only “plead” in Criminal Cases and even that in lower courts. By the time the case comes to the Supreme Court all pleading and presentation of evidence has already taken place.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Pathakji;
    Gusse ko kabu main rakhain, please. It reveals you, as you must have known that some characters in those old novels were discovered by just losing their temper, which is kind of typical for every person.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dhund.

    It shows a little, hides more.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    main to bas : Dhoond ta hi rah gaya”.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sorry;
    Galat padh gaya. Yes Dhund, par kitni films ban chuki hain, par jyadatar darawani thi.n.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sahi andaz lagaya aapne.

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  • Pankaj#1

    More than two dozen parties around Europe denouncing immigrants — mainly Muslims — as invaders, and calling globalisation and the European Union devils in disguise, are gnawing at the political mainstream.- In Dawn

    Islamism is the totalitarianism of religions and globalisation is the totalitarianism of trade,” Le Pen, who won almost 18 per cent of the first round vote, said at a news nO COMMENTS FROM MY SIDE.conference this week. “The nation is the only structure capable” of vanquishing the evil.- In Dawn

    No comments from my side.

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  • Anonymous

    Barefoot: Still under siege
    Harsh Mander

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns/Harsh_Mander/article3383573.ece?homepage=true

    For millennia, communities consigned to manual work by India’s caste system were relentlessly barred from education. Free India’s great experiment with republican democracy was expected to end this age-old educational blockade, by opening the doors of schools for the first time to children from oppressed communities. And yet, educational apartheid endures in stubborn new forms in independent India.

    Every child has a legal right to schooling, but a child’s birth determines what kind of school she can enter. The richest families send their children overseas, to the world’s best schools and universities. Next come children who are raised in elite, exclusive private schools. Lower middle class and poorer urban children can at best aspire to municipal schools, which typically have far inferior outcomes. This bars them from admission to better colleges, and they cannot afford the fees of private universities. Rural children may be crammed into unequipped classrooms, with one or two teachers — often absent, poorly trained and monitored. And, of course, the homeless, migrant, working and disabled child may never see the inside of a school, and will remain trapped in the hopeless poverty of her parents.

    ———

    Read on.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    We do not have to read this article to know the situation. This is obvious. What is the solution?? That is most important. BTW, I have studied in a government school, was treated in Government hospitals and travelled by sarkari seva. All of a high standard. But that was in fifties and sixties. Things have deteriorated considerably.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Manohar,

    Lest we forget such articles keep on surfacing regularly in different news papers.
    And why not, we do need reminders.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Problem is that reading this may assuage our sentiments that we are aware, no sir, action is needed not mere sentiments.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Yes action is definitely required but since nothing much is being done then such
    reminders become important.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Harsh Mandar runs a NGO and he is doing a lot for the underprivileged. He was in IAS and he resigned to directly help the forgotten citizens of this country.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    manohar;
    If you remember Sharad Joshi from Maharashtra, he was also a world bank executive, left that career to work amongst Shetkaris, what happened of him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    He is still around.

    http://agricoop.nic.in/sharad.htm

    An economistic, non-political, secular and non-violent peasant movement that is opposed to all subsidies and militates towards non-intervention by the State in the economy and particularly in the commodity markets.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I am not under no illusion whatsoever that my posts and links must be read and commented upon.

    As Mohan said, we have to keep pinching ourselves to remind ourselves of the grim reality around us, lest we forget them. You also get sometimes a different perspective.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I hope you did not expect Hinduatvadis to cry for these poor people. They are too busy worrying about a futile Fatwa issued by a nobody Mulla from Kashmir.

    For as long as Pakistan/Muslim bashing can be practiced here, there is no need to worry about our own poor citizens who have been the subject of exploitation and discrimination for centuries.

    BTW, I have a question.

    Are you promoting Hafiz Saeed’s agenda??

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Manohar was not in this posting. You certainly were throughout the day. What do u get out of it. If you are Pakistani… promote Hafeez’s party there…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    To you any one who disagrees with you (and by that one can construe the RSS agenda) then he automatically becomes anti-Hindu, which you equate to being anti-India, in turn that makes him to become pro-Pakistani. Once you are there it is a short journey to becoming an ISI agent trained in Muridke and living in Tora Bora.

    It would be funny if it wasn’t pathetic.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I think your fixation for getting RSS into everythign gets you wrong results. It is like an astronomer who worls on the premise that the earth is flat while the sun is round and the stars are two superimposed traingles … as that is what they appear to be.

    Ravi Reply:

    My fixation on RSS is directly proportional to your Islamophobia. Period.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Denouncing Hafeez Saeed, making fun of Masood Azhar is Islamophobia for u.

    For me it is service to humanity :)

    Ravi Reply:

    But you do a lot more than that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you promoting Hafiz Saeed’s agenda??

    Only if he was my uncle. Only nephews are allowed to promote his agenda. Someone else keeps calling him uncle. uskaa uncle hi hogaa – uncle ko uncle nahi.n pukaare to kis naam se pukaare?

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    Ravi Reply:

    It seems that if one does not accept BV Shenoy’s hegemony, then one is supposed to be promoting Hafiz Saeed’s agenda. There can never be anything in-between.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He tries to ‘establish’ his hegemony with abuses and taunts with a number of clapper boys in tow, thinking he is too clever by half. What was that – yes a disruptive element. Good luck to them.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Have a good shave in the morning. Look into your eyes and think whether it was right to joke about the Sikhs being beheaded in Pakistan, the Ahemdiayas being killed by AK 47s

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,

    You remember Danny’s movie?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Pathakji;
    I think there were only few good movies with Danny, though he was a good actor. I remember films of yore, which utilized dhund.
    Like: Mahal, Madhumati, woh kaun thi, and Dhund itself amongst many.

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    Ravi Reply:

    What happened to Kohra, Bees Saal Bad, Bhoot Bangla, Tere Ghar Ke Samne

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And all the scary or were those funny movies of Ramsay brothers.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Ramsay brothers’ movies were counter part of Dada kondke comedy movies, Good for masses only. Kondke: Andheri Raat main, Diya tere haath main type.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ravi;
    I said amongst many.

    Ravi Reply:

    and I just added a few more.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

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    ~~~ GRIM THOUGHT OF THE NIGHT ~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    As I put in the last posting, let us all remember that IM terrorists who escaped from Batla house and are hiding in UP for 4 years have become bolder ever since they got to know that “Sonia ji bhavook ho gai aur phoot phppt kar rone lagi.”

    The HT reports hints that they are probably going to get amnesty either thru the SP or the Congress which eyes votes thru banks.

    Grim thoughts. Those gusy may also float their own party…

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  • Anonymous

    Something to enjoy by all sides. Songs from the golden age of Hindi Film Music.

    1) woh chaa.nd muskaayaa – AAKHRI DAO (1958)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAJZNhJ3J3Q

    2) yeh hawaa yeh nadi kaa kinaaraa – GHAR SANSAR (1958)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YguGUe6C4Hc

    3) neeli neeli ghaTaa – HUM HINDUSTANI (1960)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykECVV87vJM

    4) yeh waadaa rahaa – DIL BHI TERA HUM BHI TERE (1960)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdhu7qjH0As

    5) kahaa.n jaa rahe the – LOVE MARRIAGE (1959)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF2hpS1KGZE

    6) udhar tum haseen ho – MR & MRS 55 (1955)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utmHsq67Gv4

    7) masti hai bharaa samaa – PARVARISH (1958)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbXiAJT4Bzs

    Enjoy

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Manohar;
    These songs take me back to best years of life.

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  • Anonymous

    vijay poosie to ****. u luv pak hindus.gud.wht is tora bora?you fingr me?mustad oild ramdev lathi tore bore mein.donason 50000 to ramdev.tent expence.jaihind.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Oh Mangalam!

    We all know who you are. You come out of a Jehadi’s manhole in Tora Bora make an incoherent comment and dive in back :)

    Have a good time…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    poosie to ****.no big englis.mustad oild ramdev lathi break al hadi.fix al manhole.jaihind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mangalam,

    In India, small children no Inglis. Pakistan small children no only arabic. Shake & read, shake &read.

    Here on blog no Inglis, no entry.

    Pathak very stick. Getting gussa. Comprehende?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Didn’t you see any kite in the empty sky?

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    I have a feeling Mangalam coulf be Manohar alsoe… :)

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Some old husband wife tu tu mein mein.

    Wife : why you are home early?
    Husband : my boss told me go to hell.
    ——–

    Wife: why do you wear specs only when you are with me ?
    Husband: doctor has told to wear specs whenever I get headache.
    ——

    Angry husband : do you know the meaning of wife, it means without information fighting every time.
    Wife: with idiot for ever.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Gr8 ones to gimme a gr8 sleep… !

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Pahal peg bataur royalty taiyyar hai.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I just happened to read the March 2012 Society magazine …was left over in my bathroom by the guests I had over the weekend. I just have to report to you guys about an article on Robberji –

    ” i am lucky to have been instilled with the right values”"
    Says Suhel Seth “I believe Robert Vadra has shown great dignity in responding to wild alegations, and to be fair , has been more understated than most other sons-in-law”

    “he likes to support the family’s endevours for a better tomorroww”
    “Mr vadrais a farsighted professional businessmn who has a vision of the world market and has a clear cut approach to make a dent in the foreign market.” (move over premji, Moorthy, Tata

    contd below

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “style and robert has lways ben synonymous. He was recently aarded as the Most Stylish Man by HTStyle,a coloured supplement of Hindustan Times.”
    ” right from school days he had a fearless sense of style”
    “he is extremely fond of the outdoors with a wid range of interests including bikes, cars, scuba diving, cycling, golf, a drive towards physical fitness”
    “robert is a very sharp and quick learner..dont be fooled by his boyish smile..”
    “it is amazing how many new activities he has pursued over the last decade and gotten good at – be it golf, diving, or cyclng”

    “they often wonder how he manages to pack so much in a day”

    Isnt India great!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Only remaining thing for Suhel Seth to do is to wipe the *** of Roberji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Very cleverly avoided any mention about the many unexplained deaths in Robberji’s family.

    Suhail Seth can write a book on him: Robber with disarming charm, from cycle rickshaw to helicopters.

  • Anonymous

    VIJAY SHENOY VERY DISAPOINTED
    _________________________________________
    why this constant tu tu main main with ravi. Can not u see he loves it.
    no intelectualism in THOSE exchanges

    Reg IM mujahedin, vaary disturbing. But let diggie bark, there is system in place to fix them, once found

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    मंगलम सिंघलम

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    test

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I am sure all of us find the IM terrorists getting legitimacy very disturbing. Yoou will nnotice they will be pimps of hafeez Saeed here who will invoke rigth wing, BJP etc to justify the right of the terrorists to enter Parliament.

    A weak Congress will look aside as it had campaigned that terrorists were innocents killed by its own Delhi government,

    regarding Ravi, dont worry. I was just testing out the depth of his brainwashing. I think I can convert him to become normal. His sidekicks will follow soon.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay as far as Balwinder is concerned you are indulging in anthropomorphism.

    As far as you being able to convert me – keep dreaming

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  • Anonymous

    I had a problem in inputtting a new thread– intersting thing on Robberji…Put under mohnn below

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  • Anonymous

    Husband was seriously ill..
    Doctor to wife : give him healthy break fast, always be pleasant and in good mood,
    Don’t discuss your problems, no TV serials, don’t demand new clothes and jewelery,
    Do this for one year and he will be ok.
    On the way home husband asked : what did the doctor say ?
    Wife: no chance of your survival.

    Good morning friends.

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Good morning !! I am going to tel my dad and mom this chutkala… at the breakfast table !! Thx Mohan…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are capable of killing healthy people too with your jokes.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Will Robertji be the next maalik of the Congress?

    All those Naukers who love to grovel under dynasties, — you will now get a smart businessman with money, whom the HT has already nominated as the best dressed person.

    So like giggly teenagers get your lines ready on why you want Robert G as the next PM :)

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  • Anonymous

    Survival issues trouble two powerful Indias
    Swapan Dasgupta

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/right-and-wrong/entry/survival-issues-trouble-two-powerful-indias

    Congress general secretary Rahul Gandhi has been both lauded and berated on many counts. However, even his worst critics will be wary of charging him with harbouring complex ideas. Going by public utterances, Rahul’s political ideas are remarkably uncluttered. First, that young people should enter politics; secondly, that good people should be in public life; and, finally, that there are two Indias-the India Shining of the rich and the poor India with which he identifies.

    Rahul’s suggestion of a polarised country may be faulted in its detail but in the past few months, there are indeed two Indias that have emerged: a political India for whom it is business as usual and a productive India that is worried silly about an impending crisis. A casual perusal of the newspaper headlines and the news channels will indicate the contours of the schism. Political India is preoccupied with the presidential election, Baba Ramdev’s abusive references to MPs, the never-ending drift in the BJP and whispers of a Cabinet rejig.

    ———–

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    What will get us out of the pits?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/13017059.cms

    A spate of recent events has put the spotlight back on stalled economic reforms. The debate inadvertently sparked off when Kaushik Basu, chief economic advisor in the ministry of finance, said major reforms were unlikely before the 2014 general election. Then came the warning by global ratings agency Standard and Poor’s about the possibility of a downgrade looming large, unless crucial steps were taken to turn the gloomy days around. The opposition parties, not surprisingly, have latched onto this opportunity and slammed the UPA coalition for dragging its feet. But can reforms really help rejuvenate the economy and pep up the country?

    ———–

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Questions for two Saints

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/questions-for-two-saints/945860/0

    In last week’s contretemps between Baba Ramdev and our honourable Members of Parliament, I found myself on the side of the MPs. Not just because on the day I sat down to write this, I found in my mailbox a particularly nasty missive from one of Anna Hazare’s followers. Not just because I think Anna’s movement is flawed and fraudulent. Not just because I think Baba Ramdev is a gasbag but because if some of our MPs need to explain their ill-gotten wealth then so do our sainted holy men and NGOs.

    Before Baba Ramdev next goes on national television to call MPs ‘looters and murderers’ and before Anna next talks of corruption in ‘the temple of democracy,’ it is time they answered a few questions. Let me begin with the most important one of all: where do they get their money from? Who pays for Baba Ramdev’s private jets and vast estates? Who pays the travel bills of Anna and his followers? These are legitimate questions because for a yoga teacher and a rural activist, they certainly live very, very well. Anna is regularly portrayed by his followers as the embodiment of simple living and he himself takes huge pride in repeating ad nauseum that he lives in a temple and does not even have a bank account. So who is paying for his endless tours around the country? Who pays for his rallies? And, whose expensive SUVs does he travel in when he goes out in procession in Mumbai and Delhi?

    —————-
    Read on

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I whole heartedly agree with the author of this article that all the members of team
    Anna, Baba Ramdev and all the NGOs should hauled up and asked about their
    source of income. If they do not provide proper reply they all should be put behind
    the bars. Our supreme members of our supreme parliament should never be questioned
    on how their assets in few years increased manifolds as they all are most honest,
    trustworthy and patriots of our country.
    Thanks for providing the link to one of best article I have ever read.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Now, now. Hold your horses, do not mix issues.

    MPs declare their assets regularly on annual basis and the details are available on the Government websites. If anyone has any doubts and has suspicions, he/she is free to question the data with the appropriate authorities or report it to IT department.

    The author has raised relevant questions and let there be answers. We can do the same with the politicians.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I am also saying the same thing that MP declare their
    assets and we have seen the increase in their assets manifold
    without any real source of income. Why they are not hauled
    by IT departments. Regarding expenditures of people like
    Baba Ramdev and Anna Hazare, why not the concerned
    departments ask them the relevant questions? Or is this
    another way of maligning these people through media?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Today’s Times Of India has a report that Mulayam Singh is ready to give full support to Sonia Gandhi, but he wants the case against him for possessing disproportionate assets which is hanging over his head for the last fourteen years is WITHDRAWN.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    You scratch my back I scratch yours. I sometimes wonder whether does that hand
    goes down little bit while scratching the back ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) I believe Ramdev is under investigation.

    2) Why they are not hauled up? Do you mean to suggest all the MPS are lying and have not declared their true worth?

    IT department must be surely having a look at it. Whether they take any action or not – my guess is as good as yours.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Baba Ramdev’s 1000 crore empire is already under investigation after he began demanding bringing back the loot stashed in Swiss banks. He has also informed the ED that he has nothing to hide and that they will recdeive his full co-operation.

    I wish some of our “leaders”, who do not even own a car, would be as forthcoming as Baba ramdev about the “sources”.

    And here is my response to Tavleen ZSingh’s rant against Baba Ramdev and Anna Hazare:

    Tavleen Singh’s suggestion should be accepted in all seriousness about appointing Baba Ramdev as the finance minister’s advisor, if only for the reason that his present advisor, Kaushik Basu, has made a fool of this government itself, because of which, India’s credit ratings have been down graded.

    The government and the country is going down the slope of an economic recession, despite having an economic wizard (patently over-rated, I amy add) as PM and another wizard as planning commission chief.
    Therefore, if appointed, Ramdev may surely not perform as poorly as Montek or Kaushik Basu. He may even do well and if the country is lucky, the economic recovery may even be a distinct possibility.

    It is unfortunate that Ms.Singh, admittedly a no non-sense journalist, has of late lost her bearings and is writing with a lot of passion and little of reason, like a green horn reporter out to get the editor’s shabash for her essay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Like Baba Ramdev all the public figures should be scrutinized.

  • Anonymous

    To be continued

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/to-be-continued/945864/0

    It was not Mohan Bhagwat but RSS general secretary Bhaiya Joshi who visited Delhi recently to make clear to the BJP high command that Nitin Gadkari’s second term as party president was a done deed. The RSS felt it was up to BJP leaders to improve their chemistry with Gadkari. The veiled warning was directed largely at Narendra Modi, L K Advani and Sushma Swaraj. To mend fences, Swaraj visited the BJP president for breakfast and Gadkari met the BJP parliamentarians over dhokla and tea.

    ————
    Read on.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    For as long as shenanigans like this continue, the BJP will remain un-electable.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    tube vision.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    One can see far with tube vision, whilst you are stuck in your myopic regressive vision of a Sanghi Bharat.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Bihar/Nitish-s-handshake-with-Modi-exposes-Bihar-CM-s-real-face-RJD/Article1-851476.aspx

    Shaking hands with Modi will brand you as communal.

    Nitish’s handshake with Modi exposes Bihar CM’s real face: RJD

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    really funny. For these Bihari Muslim leaders of RJD, SJP etc, parading an Osama look alike seeking Muslim votes is perfectly secular, but Nitish Kumar shaking hands with Narebdra modi is communal!

    Today’s Times Of India says Laloo Prasad, another fake secular icon, is looking at imminent “jail bharo”, in the fodder scam!!!!!!!

    Bihar’s politics is becoming interesting.

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    There is an insurance policy cover which the corrupt netas take when jail is close.

    That is “I am secular… you are communal… so I cant be jailed …! “

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Lalu will start the journey to Tihar, of all these fake seculars, followed by the likes of Sajjan Kumar, Kamal Nath, Kalmadi etc.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pointless rant signifying absolutely nothing.

    Pure Islamophobia

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    what you heard as rant from your tunnel residence is the noise created by the London tube rails.

    It would do immense good to your senses if you surface once in a while.

    Ravi Reply:

    Victorian sewers run under the Circle Line. The noise I hear is from YOU, who inhabits this nether world of fetid waters.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Of course, it will be pointless. Rants are never focused.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Do not take Lalu seriously.

    We must note that down the years practically all the politicians have not allowed their political differences transform into personal enmity.

    When they meet on the side lines – they are civilised enough to shake hands and exchange pleasantries.

    Check more photos.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/noncong-cms-blast-centres-overreach-on-security-issue/937437/2

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/narendra-modi-meets-pm-talks-about-plight-o/475399/

    ————–

    Modi is a political opponent, not a ‘jaati dushman’. He will get all the respect as a Chief Minister in any official meetings and interactions and not treated as a pariah. That is beauty of our polity.

    The most classic case has been that of Pandit Nehru and Ram Manohar Lohia. The latter never agreed with the former practically on any issue – political and economic, yet they were great friends and respected each other.

    The only strain on a personal/social front currently is between the Prime Minister and L K Advani – the latter making personal attacks since 2009.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    ” Modi is a political opponent and not a jaati dushman”.

    Amitabh Bachchan was criticized and was even branded as a racist Hindu for promoting Gujarat.
    Anna received flak for calling Modi model CM.
    Raj Thakrey faced the same fate for traveling to Gujarat.
    SIT, and Gujarat courts have been called biased because some
    verdicts were not as per some peoples wishes.

    What would you call this, Political opponent, jaati dushmani
    or just plain jealousy ?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    My first response was to narrate how politicians generally behave with one another.

    How many people can be stopped from reading whatever suits them to score political points or further agenda? Hardly any.

    Personally I had no problem with AB, Raj Thakre. In case of Anna, it reflects very badly on Anna himself, for retracting his statement/praise. He should have stood his ground. Of course, we have discussed his movement threadbare earlier. There was some cloak-and-dagger background to it and shenanigans. Let us leave at that.

    Take for example, Nitish and Modi shaking hands and exchanging pleasantries. Can one conclude that Modi is welcome in Bihar. Not at all.

    For example, many central ministers visit various states in connection with centrally funded projects. There is no reason to assume they will not interact with CM and Minister belonging to other political party. The central point is that the politicians by and large have kept administration and politics apart.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If this is normal and politicians forget their difference and meet cordially then why
    Nitish Kumar is being criticized by Lalu and some members of Congress?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    paa.ncho u.ngliyaa.n baraabar nahi.n hoti.

    When did Lalu ever speak sense? Very few times. This is not one of those times. He cannot fault Nitish on development front, so he has to find “mishtakes” somewhere else.

    The Congressmen/women are wrong. Has it stopped UPA/Congress Ministers and officials interacting with Modi? NO. They may not invite him home or go out for a drink, but official functions and meetings are a different matter where protocol and civility reigns.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Now even Congress has jumped on the bandwagon and started
    criticizing Nitish Kumar for the same reason.
    Today Ajay Devgan has praised Modi, now will he be also be treated
    like a pariah.?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Rightly so.

    When he was at the height of his GUNDA powers all Bollywood stars and regional politicians used to cow tow to Bal Thakray.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Do you mean to say that Modi sitting in Gujarat is using ‘goonda’ power to force bollywood actors to
    praise him ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not quite, I do not mean that.

    What I mean is that people in power do attract praise from those who anticipate some benefit from bestowing such praise.
    Before you ask, I dislike Modi despite recognising his strengths, but I hate Bal Thakray.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Fair enough. Agree with you on this point.

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOHAN,

    you should remind this congressi troll that Sonia Gandhi too nurses a huge grudge against Abdul Kalam fro refusing to make her the Prime Minister in 2004, because of which she refused to have him as president for a second term in 2007. And she makes no secret of her dislike for Kalamji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    That is plain politics to score brownie points, whether it is Congress or the BJP or anyone else. Pictures & images speak. If you do a Google Image search, you will come across countless such photos.

    BTW: will you be reminding me?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I am little dumb. What do mean by will you be
    reminding me ?

    Ravi Reply:

    It is a refernce to BV Shenoy who throws his brick bats towards Manohar, via you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Inadequacy does strange things to people, like throwing bricks and abusing others. Any positive addition to the debate is nigh impossible.

    Ravi Reply:

    It encourages them to project their self-loathing on to other people

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never mind. I thought there was some fly. I have got rid of it using a fly-swat.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    @ Gopi

    @ Sanjay/ Pathak G for valuable comments.

    Thx for giving updates on RobertG.

    I think there is a section of the Congress which may pitch for him. RaobertG is the personification of confidence.

    It is possible that they sense that RahulG is a failure and so he would step out in the limelieght.

    Historically, th bloodline of the Gandhis has only been transferred to a son/daughter in law only when the direct line is missing. If you remember in 1981, after Sanjay gandhi’s death, Menaka Gandhi, backed by the then editor of HT, Khushwant Singh, staked their claim for India’s leadership.

    In thirty seconds flat– Khushwant lost his editorshp of the HT and Menaka Gandhi was labelled a plant in an internatioinal CIA conspiracy. We can expect a repeat performance in case RahulG does not endorse Raabert G.

    The Big question for all of us. SHOULD WE LIKE NAUKERS OF THE 17th century… pray for another family memeber?

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  • Anonymous

    Sitting idle was going through my old emails – I was actually trying to find a
    quotation a client had sent me – I came across this and thought of sharing with
    you all guys.

    Interesting anagrams.

    DILIP VENGSARKAR- SPARKLING DRIVE

    PRINCESS DIANA – END IS A CAR SPIN

    MONICA LEWINSKY – NICE SILKY WOMAN

    DORMITORY – DIRTY ROOM

    ASTRONOMER – MOON STARER

    DESPERATION – A ROPE ENDS IT

    THE EYES – THEY SEE

    A DECIMAL POINT – I AM A DOT IN PLACE

    And the last the best or the worst depends how you think.

    MOTHER IN LAW – WOMAN HITLER

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  • Anonymous

    It seems all are busy watching new TV program of Amir Khan – Satyameva Jayate.
    Would love to hear the views from you guys. Here in Dubai this will be shown
    tonight at 9 PM.

    Meanwhile received few interesting SMSs on labour day.

    A real achiever is one who can make others labour..people who labour themselves are
    in fact failures.

    More than labour day all labourers should celebrate a day when they cease to be a labourer.

    Given a chance every labourer will want to sit in a boss chair and order others to labour

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  • Anonymous

    @Vijay Khanna , Ravi posted in response to your post and wrote”You are practising ANTHROMORPHISM.this was in reference to balwinder.
    In case you didn’t get it , Anthromorphism is when you treat a NON HUMAN object such as a car , and treat it as if it had soul , feeling. Like Ritwick Ghatak’s film AJANTRIK , where the ramshackle car was another member of the family.
    In balwinder’s case a TOILET BOWL comes into mind

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    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Hillary is in town… in Kolkatta. Probably cutesy Dr AMit Mitra. Do you think she will be able to convince Mamta to actually cross the hump and use this historical opportunity to get in some big MNC’s for setting up base in Bengal.

    Mamta’s goevrnment is losing appeal rapidly. SOmebody has to course correct, otherwise the focus will go onto the Professor who made the cartoons…

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I believe Ms. Clinton will use her power to convince Mamta di to
    agree on FDI .

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    The problem here is Mamta got power after 20 years of effort. Now that she has it… she does not know what to do.

    Furtheron… this coming to power was based on her agitational abilities.. not on her performance as a Rail Minister

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    Got a nice Sunday linesd up now… A school teachers brithday party… a tennis game…a party at the house…

    Hope the topic would be on something substantial rather than Modi is responsble ofr the rains, modi causes the floods… Modi causes the divorces… modi created Mussharaf, Zardari, Lutchen sink etc etc

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    M M R R

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    Have a good time. Enjoy. Smell the roses. Say hello to Robberji

    [Reply]

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Robberji wont be around !! Hopefully Singhivi would be… or maybe he wont be.

    Singvhi was considered a bright boy of the school. PM material. He was — without a poltical base– on the upward spiral.

    My teachers often told me to get inspired by him …

    RAABert may be the next candidate the Congress will induct for organisational matters, first, and if he proves himself, for power. Well as we said, we are after all a naukercy….

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    viju
    well, u tell ur teachers they have done a great job in moulding u. we are proud of u.

    hope u will meet a girl there…

    time to divorce Ms Blog and find Ms Doll

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    Thx Gopi!! U made me smile. And feel good!!

    I am on the blog… as I travel quite a bit and in between moblie calls keep punching the keyboard. Besides the company of friends here… it keeps me in touch with writing, from which I have to move away — to earn money !!

    Ravi Reply:

    I would have advised him to have gone back to his school and asked for his money back.

    Vijay Kumar Reply:

    You would want all to study at your alma mater– The hafeez Saeed Suicide Academy at Muridke :)

    Ravi Reply:

    I hear that there are better ones available now in India

  • Ravi

    Muridke is not the only Training Ground

    Young minds being indoctrinated to hate Gandhi and prepare for a RELIGIOUS WAR.

    If you look closely, you’d recognise someone.

    Watch it at your own risk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1E6R3t3siY

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Is this is a trailer of a movie ?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    I believe it is a Trailer for a Documentary by Nisha Pahuja

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Will comment only after watching actual documentary.

    Ravi Reply:

    You suspect that the trailer has been taken out of context and is creating a completely wrong impression

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I don’t suspect anything, I just don’t want to presume anything before watching
    the actual full documentary.

    Anonymous Reply:

    when fake Ravi posts anything, there is no room for “doubt”.

    Ravi Reply:

    What is there to dobt???

    Your being in DENIAL that RSS is a violent FUNDO organistaion is very obvious here.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    I don’t like to speculate in this matter.

    Ravi Reply:

    Only when it involves Hindu Fundos. Or even when it involves Pakistani Fundos

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    It is not fair. I told you that I don’t want to comment till I see the whole actual documentary but you are pushing me to comment . On this blog except about my
    drinking habit which I some time exaggerate, I have always given my honest opinion.
    Whenever I get a chance to watch this documentary I will let you know my views.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    I do not mind if comment or not. So no pressure.

    I was only wondering if you thought that the trailer was deliberately doctored to create a completely false impression.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hafiz Saaeed is not the only “leader” who worships Osamaji, besides fake Ravi.

    Watch and enjoy. No risk.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR04WhXKIks

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    bvs

    how come diryodhan singh is quiet these days–he looks like he has been put in the doghouse.

    On Osama — looks like the hero was enjoying porno/5 wives in abbotsbad , PAKISTAN, while despatching the young boys to enjoy porno and 70 wives in the other world.

    So much for spreading the message of love…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mindless Islamophobia has even spread amongst the educated.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    You have Hafees saied Bh_ _ phobia

    Ravi Reply:

    At least he is not brianwashing Kids to hate Gandhi and get ready for a Religious War, with a completely imaginary enemy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Ravi.

    I also wonder how many here have taken the trouble of watching ‘Raam Ke Naam’ and noted the hate-mongering by the RSS, with the infamous Advani leading the charge on a rath.

    The great thing (as I had said earlier) is that only a minority of the Hindus buy this sort of ****. **** is not even scrap, which has some value.

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    Ravi Reply:

    It is true that only a MINORITY of HINDUs buy this clap trap. Sadly that is not true here.

    This blog is skewed rightward due to the presence of some people who find all faults with Islam and none among Hindus.

    They wish to discuss FATWAs by obscure Mad Mullahs and fail to see the madness among the Saffron Fundos.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    well, looks like BJP will give Rajstan to Congress…The useless drunk rajmata is creating pbms

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Mohan
    Who criticized Amitabh Baachan for being the advertising spokesperson for gujrat

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Congress attacks Amitabh Bachchan, Modi

    http://www.dnaindia.com/mobile/report.php?n=1364872&p

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan
    I knew Congress is stupid…but this stupid?

    They better have smart spokesperson than this stupid Tewari..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    There is another link of you tube which I am unable to post
    In which Amitabh Bachchan is being branded as Hindu racist.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Mohan, BVS, Manohar

    I read that Yoginder Sikand , the “progressive” “secular” reformist has come out saying he was paid for falsifying/magnifying issues ….and he regrets it now ….and he stated many of the so called NGOs are paid too to hound you know who…e

    assuming this is true, it will be great for peace, especilly since Yoginder is a muslim

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Can you post the link and we can discuss.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-
    I have not read it ; i read only a summary note sent to me by my friend

    http://www.newageislam.com/spiritual-meditations/why-i-gave-up-on-social-activism/d/7149

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Thanks for the link. A great read. I had earlier read few articles by this gentleman
    in outlook magazine. He used to write what we used to witness on this blog posts writen
    by our friend Engrich. What we most of us had suspected that such articles are either
    fake or exeggarated has been proven right by the writer himself. Better late then never.

    Anonymous Reply:

    All ideologies, movements and causes naturally attract ‘committed’ advocates and so committed they become that they are unable to see any faults in the cause / heroes and the other side always a devil (sounds familiar). When the dough starts coming in, then it sort of becomes a vested interest or a career to continue to hammer along. The protagonists start living in surreal world, where everything is seen in two colors – black and white (again sounds very familiar).

    Sample this

    A) The hatred that often passed for ‘progressivism’ in ‘activist’ circles was truly astounding, and I fell lock-stock-and-barrel for it. One was trained only to look for the negative in every nook and corner, and, if it didn’t exist where one looked, to imagine and fervently believe that it did.

    We have a prime example of this right here.

    B) For a ’social activist’ to even mention, leave alone condemn, the foibles of the ‘oppressed communities’–gender injustice or caste rivalries among Dalits or the obscurantism and misogyny preached in many Muslim madrasas or the terror attacks and killings of innocents by Naxalites and radical Islamists–was tantamount to nothing less than treason. Reports about such matters were generally dismissed as ‘malicious ruling-class propaganda’ or ‘malicious Brahminical brainwashing’ or even as an ‘understandable reaction of vulnerable minority communities to ruling caste/class/imperialist oppression’.

    C) I now saw clearly through the hollowness of the revolutionary rhetoric that I was hooked on to for years. Leave alone the whole world or the ’system’, I couldn’t even change my family and close friends, to bring them to think and behave as I wanted them to.

    We have gentleman here too, who ‘hallucinates’ that he can change the mindset of some of us and change India and the world too. Let him try and change himself first – success not guaranteed though.

    D) But the anecdote that he sent me this time was truly a precious gem. It neatly summarised, in a manner I never could have done myself, much of what I’ve been thinking about these last couple of months, ever since I won for myself the luxury of no longer having to slog for a living against my will.

    Note that he has given it up after making a pile. He probably is an exception to get out of the racket. There are others who soldier along for whole of their lives, never bothering to pause to ask – what am I doing in a place like this?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    You are comparing a famous writer with some
    people here on this blog. Do these people write
    articles in reputed papers blaming one community
    for the misfortune of other communities? Do they
    get money from outside India for this cause?
    This writer has himself admitted that what he was
    doing was wrong and most of his reports where
    either not correct or were exeggarated.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Money is not the point – propagating a certain thought process is the point – the methods used are similar.

    You may not see it that way and I have no problem – you are entitled to your interpretations and opinions. Viva la difference.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Money can do lot of things, people
    have killed for money. Money is used
    to lure people to further their ’cause’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    For many, money is irrelevant, so committed they are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Not that it matters to me, perhaps to you it may, where does it say that Yoginder is a Muslim?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not know if the article mentions that or not.

    Have you read /heard about Yoginder before?

    He is a Muslim … but to answer your question, it does not bother me.

    Rizwan is a Muslim. Maulana Azad is a Muslim, The first newspaper in Malayalam that went after the british was owned Muslim, Vakkom Abdul Khader Moulavi. His editor was “swadsdeshabhimani” Ramakrishna Pillai whom the British sent to exile, Swadeshabhiani paper nd press was confiscated by the British in 1910.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I consider them to be human beings, minus the labels.

    Anonymous Reply:

    His full name is Yoginder Singh Sikand

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    ???

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vijay-Kumar/100001459633319 Vijay Kumar

    A quick terrifically funny thing !

    The COngress gestapo hounded Nitish Kumar for Shaking hands with Modi…

    The Times of India has a photo of Chidamabram SHaking hands with Modi.

    So Chidambaran’s media Gestapo should hound Chidamabran also.

    While the students from hafeez Saeed’s suicde academy, muridke, hanging on this blog, should take of their kachcha and dance

    “Chidambaran Chidambaran…. rape rape !!”

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    enjoy time with ur parents and school mates. Take off for the evening.

    .

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  • Ravi

    Does this frighten you……it should!

    RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM IS FRIGHTENING – NO MATTER WHICH RELIGION

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyyMKjAIO5o&feature=youtube_gdata

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    Anonymous Reply:

    With my limited Hindi, my understanding is she is extolling India, its rivers, its air etc….

    The last time I checked history the killings of others were done starting Gzani, Timur, ll the way to urangazeb nd Tipu Sultan..

    These gays (and lady) will not match in body count. Unless our secularism will take them to that stage, as the situation in SrilAnka tok the Sinhalese to..

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are ‘lucky’ that you have a limited understanding of Hindi.
    Does ‘Hindu Rashtra’ ring a bell?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am constantly told that RSS is a non-political ’social service organisation’, then what is this “Hindu Rashtra”?

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    mr manohar Masood Azhar

    You should dance Kikli Kaleer ki when Masood Azhar laucnh bomb in India.

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  • Ravi

    If that did not frieghten you then …..this most certainly should

    Look carefully and see who is being framed in various shots.

    RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM IS FRIGHTENING – NO MATTER WHICH RELIGION

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7D-kcayBL0&feature=related

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    Fox News fair and balanced..

    Islamic Jehadi worldwide suicide bombings -= worldwide (?) hindu extremism = worldwide Jewish bombings = Catholic bombings

    Hence case closed… nothing to worry about Jehadism. .

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am just as much worried about Jihadist Terrorism as of Saffron Terrorism

    To you there is only one form of terrorism and that is Islamic Terrorism. If I am balanced then you must be biased.

    You are brainwashed.

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Mr Ravi kasab

    Your pervert mind is frigntening for all of human beings. Go dance jehad nanga naach of Ravi Kasab ka Jehadi Budaapa in front of Kayani and Hafiz Saied

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shekhar Diltootgaya Ji

    As soon as you start dancing at the RSS jamboories, I will join you ji

    You can vomit your pseudo patriotism in front of MM Joshi, Dil Toot Gaya and Mohan Bhagwat

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    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi kasab

    How much tel does hafeez said danda get inside u to write lies about Indian patriot. You are ghazinin son out of goat rape .

    Ravi Reply:

    Not half as much as the RSS gives you to heard your frookhabadi goats here

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi kasab what rape did hafis saiyeid perform on you to make you mental jehadi?

    Ravi Reply:

    The same which Mohan Bhagwat did to you when he layed u down and shagged the frooking day lights out of you

  • Anonymous

    Why US should worry about India’s declining economy more than the European problem

    Today’s NY Times..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/business/economic-view-forget-europe-worry-about-india.html?smid=pl-share

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Interesting. I would love to hear the views of Iaswar, our resident economist.. (Ishwar, I read an economic report from n economist, Iaswr Prasad…are you the same Iaswr????+

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    There is no denying that the economy is slowing down. The reasons suggested in the article are fairly well-known. Additionally, the decision making process has also slowed down. Ironically, it is due to Anna Hazare and his movement against corruption. Even the PM has acknowledged this and urged the bureaucrats to start taking bold decisons and assured them that there won’t be any witch-hunting against them in the name of fighting corruption. I wish he practised the same to begin with.

    However, I beleive that it is cyclical – whatever goes up must come down. With the kind of manpower, skills and enterpreneurship we possess, our economy should be back to the normal course again. People are getting aspirational and willing to work harder, educate their kids at whatever costs, acquire new skills etc. to “buy” what they want. We haven’t reached the leveles of lazy EU countries – living off doles. Its simple, if everyone works – the country’s economy has to grow – if aided by better education and infrastructure – it would only grow quicker.

    And, I am only 12th pass from a K V in what used to be Bihar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Benoy,

    Non functioning of parliament, low agriculture growth, slowdown in building
    of infrastructures, recent retroactive change in tax laws and fear of emergence
    of licence raj. All these factors are undermining Indian growth.
    Shan on this blog has many times talked about using different innovative
    way to increase production in agriculture, which somehow India is reluctant
    to adopt. Government should come out with clear cut policies on tax issue
    otherwise the panic created in the mind of big investors because of the retroactive change in tax law will keep them away from investing. And of course
    parliament should start functioning full time and the bills which are pending
    should be passed as soon as possible to send the right signals to the
    market.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am amazed by Pranab’s retroactive tax law change. I could never relate this to UPA/Pranab.How can the Govt. suddenly do this ? Just because the tax component (value wise) is large, can the Govt. go extra mile to recover it, even bypassing the court ruling?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    I think this is more of a ego issue. They claimed tax from
    Vodafone, which was refused, case went to the court,
    government lost, hence to teach them a lesson this law
    has been formulated.

  • shekhar gandotra

    hoo

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Mr Rav Kasab

    You third class jehadi Mastanda, You will get RSS mirchi wala Danda.

    Your mind is full of worms of ISI and Osama. Why u not clean your Muridke and Karachi first from terrorist? Why you and fellow agent Manohar cause problem in India?

    Many people say you in previous blog that you are hijra dancing jehadi naach. I think you and Manohar are Hijra dancing Jehadi naga naach for some khotta sikka of ISI. Your country is Pakistan. GO dance naach like Sheila i jawani and sheila ka jehadi budaapa in front of your teacher Hafis Saied.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar

    My profound ‘thanks’ to you for the kind words and compliments.

    May the force be with you.

    ———–

    Gopi, Mohan and Ravi

    Yoginder Sikand has got out of the racket, I see a replacement though on the other side of the line and a ‘foul mouthed’ one at that. Yoginder Sikand has said he had a troubled childhood. Looks here is another case. God bless him.

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    mr Manohar Masood Azhar

    It is your love for Pakistani jehad which will invite many more Kasaba nd masood azhar here. In jammu, slowly fake people like yourself and Mr Ravi kasab are now call Behroopiya jehadi dalal.

    Why you have only hate for India and RSS. Maybe you dont have to like rSS or become Member. Why you tell lies but?

    Mr Ravi kasab is mad jehadi bomber. Do you want to dance Jehaid Hira naach with him on Sheila ka buddapa for Hafiz Saieyed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good evening.

    ‘Wonderful’

    I am very ‘happy’ to know that you represent the most noble civilisation (sanskriti, sabhayata, parampara and all those sort of things) that goes by the name of Hindutvata.

    I ‘confirm’ that
    I am a fake ,’unlike’ you.
    I am a dalal, ‘unlike’ you.
    I am a jehaadi, ‘unlike’ you.
    I am a behroopiya,’unlike’ you.
    I am a born liar, ‘unlike’ you.
    I love ‘dancing’ ,’unlike’ you.

    PS: 1) Carry on with your ‘good’ work. Do not worry –
    ‘koi bhi aap ko Tok ne waalaa nahin hai (not on this blog), naam jo roshan kar rahe ho apnaa’.

    2) I look forward to more such ‘akashvaanis’ broadcast from Jammu. Good night and Good bye.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I will not worry much about Mr Gandhotra, he is a person who examplifies the limitations of education.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi kasab

    You third class jehadi mastanda with first class degree from Hafiz saied jehadi school, you should read the peom of Rabindranth Tagore, the thought of Vivekanand. Understand what word Ravi mean,

    You are waste life telling lies morning to evening.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tonight, the moon is closest to the earth than any other night of 2012.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I think you are giving signal to Ravi Kasab to sneak in from Pulwama border as all jehadi use moonlight trick to come into Bharat mata. Is it not?

    I crack joke. But jehadi only laugh when Khalid Sheikh orders you to laugh…

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    If you are jehadi and fake you can change by thinking of great men and women of India. Please leave company of Ravi Kasab who is confirmed hijra of Hafis Saiyed and Abu Humza

  • Anonymous

    India’s missile defence shield ready: DRDO

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/India-s-missile-defence-shield-ready-DRDO/Article1-851548.aspx

    The system was first test-fired in November 2006 elevating India into the elite club of countries to have successfully developed an Anti-ballistic missile system, after United States, Russia and Israel.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashok,

    Thanks for link. Great news. The kind of neighbour we have, to counter
    that this type of defense is very important .

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    You has mentioned the BJP crisis in Rajasthan yesterday.

    56 MLAs loyal to Raje offer to quit, BJP plays down crisis

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/56-MLAs-loyal-to-Raje-offer-to-quit-BJP-plays-down-crisis/articleshow/13023442.cms

    The feud in Rajasthan BJP intensified today with 56 MLAs loyal to sulking leader Vasundhara Raje offering to resign but the party played down the crisis and tried to placate her.

    Senior leader L K Advani, BJP president Nitin Gadkari and Arun Jaitley spoke to Raje over phone to defuse the crisis, a day after she threatened to quit the party.

    ———

    Read on.

    [Reply]

  • shekhar gandotra

    One thapad From Shekhar and Mr Ravi Kasab hide back into terror camp.

    Mr ravi kasab why you hate Bharat mata? You may like Pakistan Papa as you get money from Kiyani and Hafis Sayeied. But if you come to India like Ajaml Kasab you will meet brave RSS men who put your pataka into your bu_ _.

    When you people want to destroy India becasue you are jealous, please remember RSS will destroy you first. NOthing wrong in being Pakistani, but remember your aukaat. World spit on Paksitnai for begging. World spit on you Kasab for being terrorist. World spit on all you Kasab who kill innocent becsue ISI give you khota sikka.

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  • shekhar gandotra

    Brotehrs and sisters , hindus and Musalmans. I have solved your problem in 1 hour.

    Please call Ravi, Mr ravi kasab and remind him of murder his teacher and master do to world. He will hide face and bottom in shame. Thank you.

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Ravi Kasab will hide bottom as bottom will be misused by his master hafiz Saiyeid.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr गांडखोत्रा you are a pathetic runt, who know nothing about nothing, except like your true guru abusing.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    Some more anagrams

    George Bush = He Bugs Gore

    Evangelist: = Evil’s Agent

    Slot Machines = Cash Lost in Em

    The Earthquakes = That ***** Shake

    Eleven plus two = Twelve plus one

    Waitress = A stew, Sir?

    Guinness Draught = naughtiness drug

    Breasts = Bra sets

    graduation = out in a drag

    Achievements = Nice, save them

    Spice Girls = Pig Slices

    Confessional = On scale of sin

    Laxative = exit lava

    Frito Lay = Oily ****

    Conversation = Voices Rant On

    President Bush = Burnished Pest

    Action man = cannot aim

    Debit card = Bad Credit

    Funeral = Real Fun

    comfort is = microsoft

    Darling I love you = Avoiding our yell

    The Country Side = No City Dust Here

    Ronald Wilson Reagan = Insane Anglo Warlord

    Saddam Hussain = Humans sad side

    Justin Timberlake = im a jerk but listen

    A shoplifter = has to pilfer

    listen = silent

    Garbage Man = Bag Manager

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Thanks. I will save these in my file.

    [Reply]

  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    Went to the you tube film you suggested to go, where you said that Muridke is not the only training ground? Wonder, to which part you have objection?? Two contrasts have been shown there.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    To the later half where you minds poisoned by the Hindu Fundo propoganda vomit phrease like I hate Gandhi, etc.

    Please do let us know what you thought of it.

    [Reply]

  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    You said what is this Hindu Rashtra? OK, what is this Maharashtra doing in present Rashtra??

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hindu Rashtra as envisaged by the RSS.

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    RSS talk about Hindu rasthra only with all religions loving India. You were hav ing big party amking fun of RSS. Now your partnere Ravi kasab is hidng in chucha bill in Peshawar.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Hiding more like yanking your tiny phudu, because you are not worth much more than that

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    That is literally hitting below the belt…

    Anonymous Reply:

    He revels in below-the-navel hits.

    Ravi Reply:

    The only way to deal with someone who himself is not obeying Queensbury rules.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Please tell me, what kind of Hindu Rashtra, RSS is envisaging?

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    The one that spans from the Himalay to the river Sindhu and within its boundries live the Aryan Vedic Race. Others are either banished or are treated as aliens and thereby second class citizens.

  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    You are saying Fatwa by some obscure Mullah?? This man is Mufti-e-Azam of Kashmir.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    If he had not issued this fatwa he would have remained obscure.

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Pankajji , Mohanji

    Lot of fatwas issued during Kashmir problem by Maulvis. All to hit non Muslim people. Many silent fatwas. Occupy property of Panda. Do not do bizness with Hindu. Only thorw stone at Hindus property etc etc.
    But Nobody will talk as that is not glamor talk. everyone talk about police and army atrocity. Not atrocity on innocent by **** Jehadi like ravi kasab.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shekhar,

    A friendly advise . What you say will have more effect and people will take you
    more seriously if you stop abusing others on this blog. Though choice is yours I
    am only trying to give you a good suggestion.

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    Thak you for advice Mohanji. I only hit at antinational party. Mr ravi kasab throw stone at RSS all day all night all month. One day I tell him truth he hide.

    I may not be like english speaking gentleman. But dil hai Hindustani.

    Ravi Reply:

    Dil Hindustani hai dimag pareshani hai

    Ravi Reply:

    Prcisely

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    My cynic tone did not come out properly. That is because of my handicap in English
    language. Any way at least you liked what I wrote..

    Ravi Reply:

    Truly

    Ravi Reply:

    Exactly

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  • Anonymous

    Storyteller
    Ayesha Jalal
    She is Mary Richardson Professor, Tufts University, Boston and author of The Pity of Partition: Manto as Witness to History, (Princeton University Press, forthcoming)

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/storyteller/945879/0

    Hailed as the greatest Urdu short story writer, Saadat Hasan Manto (1912-1955) defies facile categorisations, spatial, temporal or ideological. Fiercely independent minded, he sneered at those who called him a ‘progressive’ and was disdainful of the mandarins of the colonial and post-colonial states who routinely charged him with obscenity. “Saadat Hasan Manto is a human being and human beings ought to be progressive”, he told a group of students at Bombay’s Jogeshwari College in 1944. By calling him ‘progressive’ his detractors did not describe him so much as prove that they were not progressive and did not wish to progress. Progress for Manto meant self-improvement in all spheres of life and he exhorted the students to strive to reach their ideals. Amidst the celebrations, readings, theatrical performances and literary appraisals underway on the occasion of Manto’s birth centenary in 2012, it is pertinent to ask whether Saadat Hasan achieved some of the ideals he set out for himself during a short but productive lifetime spanning just 42 years, eight months and four days.

    ===========

    “Manto’s strength is in his imagery and his language”
    Naseeruddin Shah

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mantos-strength-is-in-his-imagery-and-his-language/945881/0

    I discovered the writings of Ismat Chughtai more than a decade ago. It led to my introduction with Saadat Hasan Manto’s works since Chughtai talks about him so much. It’s not like I was unfamiliar with their names. While I was growing up, I had overheard my parents discuss them. The terms “obscene” and “filthy” often surfaced in such discussions.

    Both the Urdu writers were tried for “obscenity” in their writings. This accusation served as a common thread to bring together their stories for one of my theatrical productions — Manto Ismat Hazir Hain — in 2001.

    ===========

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/paproudis-forgotten-hero/945877/0

    Read on

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    manohar;
    Ismat chgtai was tried for her story-Lihaaf-. A lady, writing this kind of story was unheard of in those ages. Ofcourse, Manto’s writing was criticized and he was also tried more than once for obscene writing, though there was nothing obscene, it stirred deep emption in reader’s mind, particularly for downtroddens.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Ismat Chugtai’s stories used to be published in Sushma and Shamma, when I was a school boy.

    [Reply]

  • Anonymous

    Is this survey correct ? All males on this blog pease give your views.

    Survey found that 98% of men wanted to have sex more than 7 times a week
    but the figure dropped drastically to just 5% when they added ‘ with own wife’

    I am still wondering who these 5% men are?

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aap kahte hai.n to Theek hi hogaa. You are the expert.

    ———

    Here is another survey result.
    To question as to what men did after having sex.

    The findings
    15% said they drank coffee.
    10% said they showered.
    15% said they went to sleep
    60% said they went home to their wives.

    [Reply]

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Good one.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Competition for me is increasing.
    Very good one.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    another survey says 60% of men are besharam and bewafa.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now all the men here will scramble to be in the 5% bracket!

    [Reply]

  • shekhar gandotra

    I think my telling truth about Ravi Kasab make him hide in chuha ki bill.

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    You would’nt know what truth is if it got stuck in your gloat.

    [Reply]

    shekhar gandotra Reply:

    I thin hafix bhai sayied’s thing got stuck in your throat.That is why you give his propoganda thru your peepni

    [Reply]

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan Bhagwat’s thingy got stuck in your throat and that is why you swallow his propaganda.

  • Ravi

    गांडखोत्रा जी
    तूं ते इक पासे रेहा तेरा प्यो वि मैनूं थपड नहीं मार सकदा

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  • Anonymous

    Does God listens and answer our prayers? I think God does listens and answers but we
    pretend not to have heard God’s reply.
    About 10-12 years ago I started going to temple regulary and I would only ask one thing
    from Al Mighty that I want to become very rich person. I gave few options to God to
    make me rich as these people were. The options I gave were Bill Gates, Mukesh Ambani,
    Warren Buffet, King of Brunie and Laxmi Mittal. For three years without fail I would go
    to temple daily and would offer Prasad and I made sure to put some money in the box
    which was kept there. I kept on increasing the amount of money I would put in the box.
    The amount which had started at around few rupees reached uptil about a thousand.
    The reason for that was that I had heard of people offering in Lakhs at many famous
    temples in India. After three years of regular visits to temples, putting money in boxes
    offering and consuming sweet Prasad regularly made me diabetic but did not made me
    rich as I wanted to be. I stopped going to temples and my next two were spent on
    cursing God for not listening to my prayers. After about five years of this visiting temples
    and cursing God, suddenly a thought struck my mind. Out of the blue I realized that God
    had heard my prayer on the very first day and had replied also. His answer was NO.
    I like an ignorant pretended not hearing the answer that visiting temples and praying
    to God will not make me rich like Bill Gates or Mukesh Ambani.

    I don’t know what I am writing, surely I am drunk now.
    Good night gentlemen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan-

    There was a ‘pious’ Jewish guy who was a God fearing, praying type..He never won lottery.

    He goes to heaven after his death. His only complaint when he met the God was “God, I have been a good worshipper of you; but you never helped me to win the lottery”

    to which the God answered ” Joe, I would have loved to help you…but you have to do some work yourself towards that. You should have bought lottery tickets, without which I could not have helped you”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    I think, without your knowledge, God has made you rich to the extent that at least some of us are now praying God to make us if not as rich as Bill Gates and Laxmi Mittal, at least as rich as Mohan!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I am not sure what is that figure which will make one feel that he
    is rich. I know some people who would say that if they have
    Rs. 25 lakhs they will consider themselves very rich. And according
    to some people Rs. 25 crore is a small amount

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree.

    As for me, when I am able to pay my workers on every Saturday, I feel I am rich, even if for one week.

    Anonymous Reply:

    same here

  • Anonymous

    Blogmates !

    Please find time to watch this on You Tube, if you have not watched Amir Khan’s Satyamev Jayate today. Excellent job !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1vASMbEEQc

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Saw this program last night. I was really shocked to see that so called educated
    people of our country, doctors, professors, teachers, IAS officers were involved
    in female infanticide. I think this program will have some effect because of the status of Aamir Khan who is hosting this program.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I always thought education has the power to bring about the change in people. But many incidents in recent years have proved me wrong.The extreme reactions of people to simple events in life have surprised me. In fact I am aware of a bride burning case in a family full of doctors and teachers. Their extreme behaviours over the years shocked our whole neighbourhood.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More than education, the so called “sanskar” which we hear so much about in TV serials, has the power to alter the young minds as per the parents’ thinking.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathakji,

    The whole country watched Amir’s superlative performance in Satyameva Jayate.

    There were hardly any dry eyes, when the three women narrated their stories of female faeticide.

    Great show. it is bound to be a hit on the scales of Ramayan and Mahabharat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    All three stories were heart-breaking, but the lady doctor’s story was most shocking. To think of a lady doctor could also be a victim was really frightening.

    And Amir was superb as usual.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I was moved by this program. I believe that this program will have
    some effect as in the end Amir Khan said that he is going to
    write to the CM of Rajasthan about those doctors who were caught
    in sting operation but are still moving freely. I think after watching
    this program these people will be behind the bars very soon.

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  • Anonymous

    Vaibhav Suri becomes the youngest grandmaster/Chess..

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/06/crosswords/chess/chess-vaibhav-suri-is-latest-teenage-grandmaster.html?smid=pl-share.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Another Vishwanathan Anand in making.

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  • Anonymous

    for those who cannot access the bengalee newspapers, the news about Hilary’s visit.
    She was apparently spellbound at the architecture and the garden of Victoria Memorial
    One Islamic organisation had requested mamata to boycott the meeting with Hilary, MAMATA had declined that advice (FOR ONCE SOMEBODY IS NOT PANDERING TO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ISLAM DICTATES)
    HILARY HAD REQUESTED THE MEETING WITH MAMATA NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.
    Bengalee sweets had been given to the american security officials for approval , will be offered to hilary.
    Looks like BANGLADESH is using the BOGEY of ISLAMIC MILITANTS AND ARMY TAKEOVER TO MILK INDIA AS MUCH IT CAN.
    Thus west bengal is being asked to release more water from teesta , otherwise the RABID ISLAM will whip up anti india sentiment(as if there isany dearth of that) and send islamic miltants across the border

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is great Mamta is meeting with Hillary. Let us hope Mamta uses this to rehabilitate herself too.

    nOW comiIg to Bangla Desh, your remarks about Ba ngla Desh artificial pressure using the perceived Jehadi threat is interesting .. But could it be there are real threats..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did Hillary meet Mamta to congratulate/thank for throwing Communists out ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hillary is yet to meet Mamata,di.

    Even if she is meeting Mamata only to congratulate her on her victory over the Reds, it is still OK, because for 38years the congress rermained a mute spectator when the commies raped and plundered WB and encouraged the Naxalites elsewhere.

    Mamata deserves a Bharat Ratna for this epoch-making achievement alone.
    I think the last political awardee, BCRoy’s contribution pales into insignificance compared to Mamata’s.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not sure Manta would be any different. TMC used same familiar “siege/blockade/dharna” strategy of communists to come to power. The subsequent months have not shown anything interesting to be proud of.

  • Anonymous

    Also, Dr Shan, are Bangla Deshis still crossing illegally to India? I read about India building an electric fence that has cut down the crossings.

    Plus, the migration may be lower since the BD economy is moving in the right track.

    But then the committed Islamic terrorists will be moving in.

    OK, now Ravi will say what about the Hindu terrorists moving to Bangla Desh!) because he is Fox News, fair and balanced, a ka Murdoch style!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Hegde.

    Than you for the compliment.

    I rather be balanced than a rabid irrational Islamophobe

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  • Pankaj#1

    Ravi;
    I was expecting Manohar to engage with me on this Hindu Rashtra debate, but it seems he is avoiding me, why? I do not know. OK, I can start that with you, if he does not comeback to me on this.
    Regarding later part of video, where someone is saying, she hates Gandhi, which Gandhi she meant. There are scores of adults here from diverse section in this blog, who also hate Gandhi, this is Sonia Gandhi. I believe, blog will change tomorrow, so bigger debate later, but again, working week will start and can not be sure of time availability.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not avoiding you. Ravi has more or less answered your question and it was quite late here about 1-30 AM and time to call it a day.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    OK Manohar;
    It is getting late here too and I was about to wrapup, I saw your mail. You have outsourced your work. Ha.
    Nevertheless, where is RSS statement of Hindu Rashtra, which Ravi describes so graphically? Would you please direct me to that? Waiting for your answer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You should Google ” Hindu Rashtra” and you will get different views on the topic.

    One link, you may not agree with the content therein.

    Golwalkar- The Guru Of Hate
    By Ramachandra Guha
    28 November, 2006
    The Hindu

    http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-guha281106.htm

    You should also watch ‘Raam Ke Naam’ documentary, which Mahesh talked about.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some people want India to be “Hindu Pakistan”! It sums up beautifully.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why they keep praising Paksitan and keep trying to instill lies out here that Paksitanis are good to minoirties, Paksitanis are liberal etc etc… and it is only HIndus who are bad.

    This way they will make India, a Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Experienced bloggers must not punch keys in a hurry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And some like our dear Pathakji want India to be a Muslim-India. This adds upto a beautiful idea which even Jinnahji and Osamaji would have fully approved and endorsed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Incredible India.Or, simply India.
    Devote rest of your life to keep this country as you find it worthwhile.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What will RamChandra Guha call the Prophet if he calls Golwalker the Guru of hate?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb,

    Be careful you are committing blasphemy.
    On second thought don’t worry you are
    not in Pakistan.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not know who to applaud, you or the gentleman named Shoeb.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Please applaud Shoeb, as I get applauded regularly for
    my jokes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Two points

    1) You should ask Mr Guha. I am not his keeper.

    2) Being a Muslim, you know your Prophet better than the rest of us. So what are your views on him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Most of the bloggers here know what Mr. Guha had
    written about Gowalkar. The problem is that some
    people think that 99.9999% of the Hindus
    agree and follow what he has written, however
    the truth is other way around. 99.9999% completely ignore this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There may be many views on a subject, it is left entirely up to the individual which view to accept and agree with, and rubbish the others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    a slight correction.

    Some Hindus, who are congressies, like Pathakji, and all the Hindus working for NDTV and CNN-IBN do believe 100% of whatever Ramachandra Guha writes about Golwalkar or any Hindu.

    They become selective when he writes anything even sliughtly critical of the congress Family, Muslims and Christians.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Does Golwalkar need any interpretation?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pathak,

    Interpretation is required only
    if somebody reads him.
    No body is reading him now.
    He is lying somewhere in dusty corridors of unused libraries.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s cruel. This is no way to show gratitude to the man who shaped the contour of RSS.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    What do you think are the proportaion of Golimarkar chelas on this blog.

    Lets not forget that Genuine Hindu Fundo B V Shenoy acknowledged here a few months ago that Golimarkar is his Guru.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t believe they follow this notion
    of India is only for Hindus and people
    of other religions should be 2nd class citizens of the country.
    I know your views on this subject are
    different and I respect those views but
    I do not agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are right.

    This congressi troll has outsourced his ‘work’ to the jihadi, fake Ravi.

    And also sourced him for all the “inputs”.

    And both of them think that with their resources, they can carry on their agenda of anti-Hindu discourses.

    Ravi Reply:

    Pankaj

    In that case there is not need to take this discussion any further.

    Your sauce is for a different Gandhi. No common ground has been established.

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  • Anonymous

    In Mythology there is a story of Sati Savitri who fought with Yamraj
    and got her husband back.

    Moral of the story: Even Yamraj cannot save you from your wife.

    Good morning friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Francois Hollande has won French presidential election. In on of the speech during
    his election campaign he had said that he will tax rich people 75% of their income.
    Will we see France adopting socialism ? Interesting times ahead.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is a sure recipe for black money generation. Plus the law of diminishing returns will come into play.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    It looks the “austerity” group failed; the “keynesians” won. Govt spending may not be bad at this juncture; but his tax ideas are bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Yes government spending is required in these difficult times but if
    he goes ahead and implement what he had said about taxing rich
    people upto 75% of their income, than the outcome will be disastrous.

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  • Anonymous

    Yeh hai India.

    What’s your caste?
    Shivanand Tiwari
    The writer is a Rajya Sabha MP and JD(U) national spokesperson

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/whats-your-caste/946145/0

    I was surprised that for a Rs 1 lakh bribe, former BJP president Bangaru Laxman was sentenced to the maximum punishment. The judge made a ringing speech. It was as if with this one punishment, corruption itself would be brought to an end. According to our law, both the bribe giver and the bribe taker are guilty. But in the outrage over Bangaru, no mention was made of the bribe giver.

    When the BJP distanced itself quickly from Bangaru Laxman, I felt sad. For the first time, the BJP had made a Dalit its president. Look at former Karnataka chief minister B.S. Yeddyurappa. Or former Union minister Dilip Singh Judeo, who was caught on camera accepting bundles of notes. The BJP took Judeo back into its fold, it also fielded him for an election.

    Which defence deal did Bangaru influence? What was Bangaru’s capacity to be corrupt? In the JMM bribery case, JMM MPs deposited the money in their bank accounts — they did not even know how to hide the money, to make the distinction between black money and white.

    It’s a pattern: those framed in sting operations and pilloried for corruption mostly belong to the backward castes. And hospitals and parks are built in the name of those who are really corrupt.

    ————-

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Tiwari did a “below the belt” hit.
    Totally uncalled for.
    There is no caste in corruption —
    there is a group of people who are for A Raja saying he is sacrificed because he is a Dalit..ditto on KG Balakrishann

    However, I agree with the author — we let the “mother” of corruptions go/languish; and go after this puny one..do not make any sense.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Manohar,

    Reading yesterday about Mr. Yoginder Singh Sikand, I now wonder
    whether all these writers are out there just to spread false propaganda.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is left to the individual to separate the wheat from chaff and then decide what to throw away – the wheat or the chaff.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Problem is that most of the time we tend to keep
    the chaff and throw away the wheat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Those who allow their senses be numbed (for various reasons) would tend to do that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have always offered the solution
    for numbed senses. Daru. But, alas,
    no one takes me seriously. No problem, I, being the only activist in
    this field will keep doing the good work
    and spreading my great knowledge on
    this subject.

    Ravi Reply:

    The only reason I take you seriously, is because you always disagree with me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I have always taken you very seriously.

    One of the reasons is that we agree to disagree (most of the time) like gentlemen. No ill-feeling , no rancour.

    BTW, where did you do your ‘doctorate’ in Daaru? How many gallons you had to drink per day? Hic. ;-)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    How much I drink daily is a secret which will
    be disclosed whenever
    we meet. If you are
    willing to ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sure

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why I headlined it with ‘Yeh Hai India’.

    The point being made is that in certain quarters – people from disadvantaged section of the society are targeted – that justice is not caste-neutral.

    The example – Bangaru Laxman and Dilip SIngh Judeo – the former a dalit was left to fend for himself and the latter was allowed to go scot free and even rewarded.

    From this we cannot make a sweeping generalisations, however there are always suspicions in the ‘effected’ sections of the society that the system is unjust. That gives rise to leaders like Yadavs and Mayawatis. That they later join the other side is besides the point – however come election time -caste and religious cards are dealt out.

    The jungle law – jiski laaThi uski bhai.ns (Might is right) seems to be in play.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Nicely put. Agree with you.

  • Anonymous

    Pathak

    Regarding your note on Mamta/Hilary, US on whose side….

    Years ago there was a communist trade union leader from Tamil Nadu, Ananthan Nambiar (originally from Kerala, but his sphere of activity was in TN). He was an MP for three (or four) terms. May be even the opposition leader; if not the communist leader in the parliament.

    Those were the heights of cold war with America against all things/people/countries communist (even now on Visa forms one has to answer questions on whether one was in communist party, whether one has a relative in communist party etc)…

    Guess what – Both children of Ananthan Nambiar got well settled in USA..

    Later in his life it was revealed that he was on the take for CIA! –

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even now we have many donning similar masks. If you rip apart few do called social activists/NGO’s, you will find many such cases. But I guess they are no match for the political character you mentioned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even the sons and daughters of the current crop of Comrades are all well settled abroad.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–~~~ GR8 SUNDAY… BACK AFTER A BLOG REST ON MONDAY ~~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————–

    Was a gr8 Sunday. Satyamev jayate, Sleep, tennis, Birthday Party of old teacher, old friends, memories, laughter, Gr8 food, Beer… Sleep !! Man what else does a man need …?

    A woman probably. Par phir insaan , insaan nahi rahegaaaaaaaaaa…

    @ Gopi

    You know Gopi, Bongs love to be appreciated, especially by goras. Hillary must have been already briefed to praise Bengal sky high. Food, culture, music, architecture (err.. was that British architecture actually ? )

    I hope the praise is good enough to sway Mamta’s and Bengal’s instinctive prejudice against Americans and free enterprise.

    We dont want the CPM to come back and take Bengal to 1912. But Mamata does seem a stubborn horse. I dont see much industry happening there. However software and education, making Kolkatta a centre with some good foreign universites which teahc capitalism and enterprise and give scholorships to Bongs to travel to US… could change the balance.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ TO ALL THOSE INNOCENTS~~ `who rush to give clean chit to Pakistan~~~
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    Hillary is a brave woman, unlike our idiotic Rahul G and lost SM Krishana. This is what she says bluntly/

    _______________

    Zawahiri is in Pakistan, I cleared 10 million bounty for Hafiz: Hillary to NDTV

    Kolkata: Al Qaeda’s new chief Ayman al-Zawahiri is in Pakistan, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Kolkata on Monday.

    Ms Clinton said: “We want to disable Al Qaeda. We believe Zawahiri is in Pakistan.”

    Speaking at an interaction that was moderated by the NDTV, she said: “You have to go over those who are trying to kill you. You have to be focused on that.”

    Referring to the 2008 Mumbai terror attack in which 166 people, including foreigners, were killed by 10 terrorists from Pakistan, Ms Clinton said that she had authorised an award for Hafiz Saeed who was responsible for attacks in Mumbai.

    Hafiz Saeed, founder of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militant group, is accused of masterminding the Mumbai terror attacks. The US last month announced an award of up to $10 million for information leading to arrest and conviction of Saeed and $2 million for Hafiz Adbul Rahman Makki, under the Rewards for Justice programme, for information on the two terrorists.

    “It may take longer than we like but we will stand with you and trying to make that happen,” she added.
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    Last night I missed the gr8 debate on this blog where the earthy Shikhar literally ran over the **** and ISI loving Ravi. In some ways Shekhar’s angst and anger, reflects the frustration of the ordinary Indian who cannot comprehend why India– especailly the UPA– rushes to absolve Paksitan.

    @ Shikhar Gandotra

    I think your ideas are good and reflect the anger of the Indian public. However on a blog, you should just give a nuanced reply. If the opponent raises a fist… cut the fist…not chop the entire body into pieces.

    English is somthing which you will learn as you blog more. Nothing to be ashamed about. Maybe your HIndi or Punjabi is better than that of all the other bloggers.

    Just nauance your reaprtee a bit, like SHenoy shaab does.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometimes I wondered where did you pick up your style of arguments and self-congratulatory back patting habit. Today I realized you definitely picked it up from earthy Shekhar. You definitely had a good mentoring on how to congratulate yourself about self-professed win and power to change people.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks ! Just added spice and smiles to my Monday… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By the way, your advice sounded like Advani’s reaction to Varun Gandhi’s famous speech.

    Anonymous Reply:

    CMon Pathak, you can do better. What is the point of
    being a member of mutual admiration of a Pakistan endorsing society, winking at terror in a manner, which even Paksitanis would find laughable…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your Advanisque reaction to Varun Gandhi was very heart-felt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I suppose one would need a photo-copy of oneself (the more well off can order a mannequin) for all the self congratulatory messages and declaring victory – one cannot go on back patting oneself at such frequent intervals, the back is bound to give way. Besides one needs someone to share the euphoria and the drinks that follow.

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  • Anonymous

    @vijay khanna , given the limits of your intellect and certainly TASTE in all matters of liberal arts , i am not surprised you ascribe Victoria memorial as a british architecture.
    If you wish i can give you a crash course in architecture, for modern architecture just visit frankfurt.Plonker that you are, next you will say TAJMAHAL IS AN ISLAMIC ARCHITECTURE.No it aint , IT IS A SYNTHESIS OF HINDU AND ISLAMIC ARCHITECTURAL PRINCIPLES.The hindu element is the CUPOLA and the hugeness outside yet limited space inside, the minarets and filigree is islamic . THE ARTISANS WERE 90% HINDU.Same with Victoria memorial , it was built as a replica of Taj mahal.
    Too much cheap whisky has literally gone to your head and caused havoc.
    As for kuri ,given your ravenous apetite , you may need a MENAGE TROIS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brother Shan give me a list of ten buildings dewsigned by Bong architects, before the British came in

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    Anonymous Reply:

    More about imperial architecture if you want to learn:

    The memorial was designed by Sir William Emerson [3] using Indo-Saracenic style, incorporating Mughal elements in the structure. Lord Redesdale and Sir David Prain designed the gardens. The foundation stone of the memorial was laid down in the year 1906. The monument was intended to serve as a tribute to the success of the British Empire in India.

    Facade of the Victoria MemorialArchitect Sir William Emerson laid down the actual plan of the memorial. The design of the structure represents a fusion of British and Mughal architecture.
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    Some gr8 Bong architects have done good work outside Bengal after 1947. But name 10 buildings well done IN BENGAL AFTER 1947

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you aware where the did the word BUNGALOW come from.
    It is from Bengal low , the houses that the english saw , and built it in millions back home.
    Are you aware of TERRACOTA ARCHITCTURE of bishnupore.
    Indian Asscociation of cultivation of science (where CV raman did his work and got Nobel Prize) , the new building is ART DECO.
    Walk along lower circular road plenty of new buildings which are mightily impressive , this from someone , who knows a word or two about FOSTER , ROGERS ,FRANK GEHRI , ZAHA HADID et al

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Bungalow=Bengal low. Great. That is why I love
    this blog, I always get to learn new things.
    Thanks.

    Ravi Reply:

    I thought that it was a POSH pronunciation and spelling of BANGLA. As in ik bangala bane niyyara.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    Some made that Bangla and some
    Bungalow but the original source
    is our state Bengal from where
    we have had great personalities like
    Tagore, Satyajit Ray, Ganguly,
    also those beautiful Sens, Sushmita,
    Aparna, and Moon Moon than we had father son duo of S D Burman
    R D Burman and even from this blog
    Ashish and of course Shan.

    Ravi Reply:

    I did not say that it was not from Bengal. It most definately was. I was refering to the etymology of the word.

    The term originated in India, deriving from the Gujarati બંગલો baṅgalo, which in turn derives from Hindi बंगला baṅglā, meaning “Bengali” and used elliptically for a “house in the Bengal style”.[1] Such houses were traditionally small, only one storey and detached, and had a wide veranda.

    Anonymous Reply:

    What I wrote is what i heard in BBC radio1, while driving on my way to work.
    the commentator was a GORA

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Cingulate

    Did not notice ur reference to “kuri”. Well I would seriously adivise you to get a gauna done as it seems to be clouding your judgement .

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  • Anonymous

    Post Script: there is PLENTY OF BRITISH ARCHITECTURE in calcutta , PaulThoreaux , who has a sharp tongue was bowled over when he visited calcutta in 1970.The TOWN HALL is a NEOCLASSICAL architecture so is CALCUTTA MEDICAL COLLEGE , the HOUSES IN ALIPORE WHERE BIRLAS AND GOENKAS LIVE ARE THE ONES VACATED BY THE BRITISH.the Raj Bhavan(Viceroy’s palace) is a curious blend of neoclassical and indian

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont know Calcutta as well as you do. In my few months I could only see variations of Victorian architecture blended to local weather condtiions. Your argument only proves me right that it is this British Archite4cture which is the face of Bengal today.

    When we take up modern buildings and discuss them for reference in new projects, there is hardly anything which Bengal has to offer.

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  • Anonymous

    @ShoebK, I think you are rather harsh when you write what would ram Guha write about prophet , if he thinks Golimarkar is prophet of hate.
    The problem with current islam is IT IS A MONOLOGUE emanating from the sex mad MULLAHS.
    I read a bookcalled THE PERSIANS by Homa Koutzian.
    There is a CONTEMPORY account in an ARMENIAN manuscrpt. that is the most honest account.The author says “I have hearrd about a certain mohammad in arabia who has done a lot of good for his people.”
    AND THAT SHOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO JUDGE IN A HISTORICAL SENSE
    Prior to prophet ,arabs were a bunch of homo, camel herding bedouins, WHOSE ONLY ENTERPRISE WAS RAIDING THE CARAVANS ON THE SILK ROUTE
    (prophet participated in quite a few of them ,it is called razzia)
    HE CREATED A SOCIETY IN THE MOLD OF JEWISH.
    As our “lost” blogger SYED pointed out , there was no concept of PREISTHOOD OR MULLAHDOM at the inception of islam.
    Also my feeling is ORIGINAL QUORAN is probably made up of 50 couplets,
    All the rest are “INSERTIONS” by vested interests.
    In fact the FIRST WRITTEN VERSION was 500 yrs after his death . this was in response to the anarchy , when everybody engaged in all sort of nefarious acts were taking recourse to quoran.That is when it was decided to write in down.
    Just LIKE ALL HINDU SCRIPTURES , SERIOUS ACADEMIC STUDYall done by WESTERNERS , with radio carbon dating and forensic philology and anthropology
    have revealed that QUORAN IS NOT A SINGLE DOCUMENT but is layered upon over the ages according to the prevailing social milieu.
    My personal feeling is ISLAM IS LIKE ANY OTHER RELIGION , SOME GOOD ,SOME BAD , only useful in times of sorrow and helplessness

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan, Bravo, Bravo, Bravo

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    How dare you say that there is SOME BAD in my religion. I can kill you
    for saying this. If my religion teaches me this then I don’t follow this religion
    which ever it may be.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~~~ WHY ARE PEOPLE REBELLING AGAINST ME CHANGING THEM ?? :) :) ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    I am the football goalkeeper of my 9th standard class team. Keep kicking the ball, well I will still defend the post.

    Topic no 1: Result acheived

    a) WHy is everyone afraid to be called a nauker here now? SO much so, people who would normally try to anoint a Gandhi pariwarwalla as the rightfull and only heir to the INidan PM’s seat do so wiht hesitation, shyness and slyness.

    Even RAAbertji (Actor Ajit’s pronounciation of Robert) is not being welcomed with gusto on this blog? After all he could well be projected as a dynamic go getter billioniare who could change the face of India with his ideas?

    ALL BECAUSE SOME SUPPORTERS OF NAUKERCY KNOW THAT OTHERS WILL NOT SWALLOW THE OLD PILLS.

    Bhaiya change has happened!

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am alergic to change, particularly if it is instigated by a Sangh Naukar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sigh! O wsh you would change. Otherwise the world will move over you.

    You dont have to take the stance that you will change only if Hafeez Saeed asks you to.

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    Ravi Reply:

    There are many choices in between Mohan Bhagwat and Hafeez Saeed.

    I am sure at least one of them will inspire me, even if his lingham is schwaet or schwarz.

    Anonymous Reply:

    WHy is everyone afraid to be called a nauker here now?

    “Do you want to be called a nauker?” Whose nauker you fancy to be?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No !! I want everyone to be freespirited and be in love with democracy… not a familycracy… not naukerecy.

    PathakG you cannot be so faint hearted to state that you only want a progeny of the Nehru paraivar to rule over you as “wahi kismat mein likha hai…”

    Can you be so heartless to say that India should join Cuba, North Korea, Saudia, Pakistan…. and not Australia, UK, US< Russia, Sweden….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Forget about others….when are going to make your clients your vendor or you want to stay as their vendor(sic) all your life?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wrong answer ticked. I ask the client for jobs.

    In a naukercy, the family grabs the top job and expects everyone to be thier nauker,.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Think when the same client will beg you for jobs.Chances are very remote. You will continue to beg the same clients for jobs and even spend times with donkeys for the sake of those clients.Even you will offer gur to donkeys to make them work and lure more work from your Malik.

    Your client expects you to keep company with donkeys and you do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Pathak, a cleint customer relation is a different issue. It is my company. I can chose to be on the blog… I can choose to work 24/7.

    I can choose to be a Charles Darwin in the company of donkeys… and I can choose to be a moron in the company of donkeys.

    But I cannot tell teh client that you canonly hire me or my son or father, or daughter, granduaghter as we are the only family which now controls the market and we will not allow anybody else to come up. Neither can any other company ever come up becasue we set the rules, we have the officers in our pocket, our company shareholders can only vote for us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Experienced bloggers don’t punch keys in a hurry.

    The bottom line -

    You can choose to say or do anything, but in real you only do what your client/Malik asks you to do

    Spend the whole day with donkeys and you proudly do.

    Nauker > Naukery > Naukeracy > ……………

  • Anonymous

    @ PathakG

    What is your reaction on the malkin of your party “phoot phoot ” ke crying over dead terrorists in Batla house. The escaped terrorists now seek amnesty and even a political career, even though the Delhi government has an award of 6 lakhs on their head?

    Arre baba Sonia ji galat (impossible !) or Shiela ji galat ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    (Sic…advanisque) saddest day of my life…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Err… Will getting Advani into the topic somehow hide Sonia ji’s ghadiyali aanson for terroirsts? Question asked 3rd time… Sonia Ji galat ya Sheila JI galat , for having a 6 lakh rupee bounty on escaped Batla house terrorists.

    Q2: Will COngress give election tickets to two escaped terrorists?

    Expected answer: Advani, Yeddy, BJP, NDA,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right. Advani and Sonia can not be talked in same breath. He is not in the same league.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I know blind loyalty to Sonia G forces you to think that “ghadiyali aanson” for terroirsts will get votes for the Congress.

    Pathak this is the cowardice Gen Zia (now in jannat sucking mangoes) and Hafeez Saeed count on when they try to destroy India thru a thousand cuts.

    You will notice that Ravi will immediately come to your rescue now. He is here as emissary of Hafiz Saed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hafiz Sayeed! You remember him too often! Both of you are working for a noble cause. He keeps worrying about the Indian Muslims and you Pakistani Hindus. A great pair. Very rare, I must say.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thank You. You just exposed your wicket for a clean bowl out.

    As I explained here earlier, Hafiz Saeed has full right to worry about Indian Muslims only after

    a) He fights for the right of AHemdiyas, Christians, Hindus and Sikhs to become president and PM’s of Paksitan

    b) He ensures that Marauding mobs of fanatics forcibly converting Christians, HIndus and Sikhs are suitably punished

    c) He closes his suicide bomber camps, undergoes punishement under Indian law and International law

    Once he has done all that and re-aafirmed his commitment to secularism even hafis Saieed and his lovers here– can talk about Indian Muslims.

    Ravi Reply:

    Should he also transfer his considerable wealth to the RSS so that their TERRORIST camps can flourish

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hafeez Saeeds considerable wealth is thru fake currencey, extortion, narco trade. This should be seized.

    Dont try to confuse the issue by trying to equate Hafeez Saeed with RSS. It would be like me trying to equate Shikhar gandotra with You/

    Ravi Reply:

    It will still buy lots of Trishuls, Lathis, Talwars for the Durga Vahini

    Ravi Reply:

    There is a difference. He wants to change me and I blieve that he is perfect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Certain sects of Christians believe in the second coming of Christ..the belief is that He will show up again in Israel; and He has to have a “ready made” set of sinners and non-believers to be redeemed – so, the ardent believers want Jews there, so Jesus has people there ready to be baptized. The politically powerful evangelicals and other conservatives firmly believe in this; and that is one reason for the unwavering support of Israel by US.

    Congress’ coddling of Muslims is a similar thing. Preserve and maintain their backwardness, and there is a “ready made” vote bank..

    Now, in some places, such as in Kerala, Congress has to go beyond coddling; because the situation has gne beyond winning elections, but the day-to-day survival of the ministry.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    What say you to the BJP causing riots and communal strife to frigthen the Hindu Right into their fold and thereby shore up their vote-bank.

    Or do you believe that is fiction, constructed on advice from Hafeez Saeed??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your take on the mysterios US connection to Isreal clarifies a lot of mystery to me.

    The COngress’ pathetic vote politics ends up only molly coddling fanatics all over India. Unfotuntely the role models they create for Muslims are not the right ones.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Now you can read below as well

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    The evangelist support is one pillar. I believe another equally strong pillar is the massive financial support Jewish lobbies provide to candidates of both parties for their elections. My understanding is that the lobbiysts go in high speed with money and the grass roots evangelical support to annihilate any politician who has an anti-Israel policy/opinion.
    perhaps Rajiv or Hegde can explain more..btw Where is Rajiv???

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Great comparison between certain Chrisian believers and Congress.
    Very innovative.

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  • Anonymous

    Viju
    How was your class get together? Hope your teacher will continue to teach new crops.

    France just elected a newbee Hollande.

    To some extent with the new developments such as Vasundhra Raje (in Rajstan)should be declared as the CM in advance, we may be moving to a hybrid situation, which in itself is not bad,a nd a significant improvement from the current situation…

    Regarding naukari == Sonia Gandhi is no Mahathma Gandhi not to want power and perks; so, she, like many other politicians is behaving like any human being. It is others, high command members etc, who make her the King.. The whole behaviour can be changed only with more grass roots party members control and less party boss control, as Hgde described about the US system, or like shown in the elections yesterday in the French system.

    But the Vasundhra Raje movement looks like a midway practical alternative. let us see.. (my friend says she follows Mohan’s advice after 6PM. So much that she cannot have a coherent conversation)

    ..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Thx. Get togethers all always gr8. Well a substantial part of the class now lives abroad, works in IT or banks… The teacher is now retired. I was seeing him after 13 years. And for a moment wondered… Is he the guy we were in awe of and at times scared! Furthermore as the world goes… one notices some receeding harilines. And of course the successfull ones– including a guy who is director of an airline.

    And me of course not too successfull… enjoying myself in the comapny of donkeys at times!

    I always get more impressed by the wives and noted that my long time rival in school was with a real bomb.

    You are right that the key to make India a true representative democracy is to change the working of our parties. Hegde’s suggestoins were really sound. It is for us bloggers and then good journalists to highlight these so that positive change happens.

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    Ravi Reply:

    ..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Keh do… dont have to erase after spouting…

    Ravi Reply:

    I had posted my response to Gopi (see below) in the wrong place.

    No other reason, unless ofcourse if you do not count the running instuctions I recieve from Hafeez Saeed and my controllers in Tora Bora/Muridke/Islamabd and Slough Mosque.

    This will now be used by the Rt Hon B V Shenoy as confession.

    Anonymous Reply:

    viju

    Well donkeys or no, you are creating jobs, building (literally) a new India.

    And I bet your IT foren frds cannot get into a dialogue about Kalidasa (as you have done in the past), Victorian architecture, dynastic politics, economic theories, engineering models…

    Drink one for me.. but do not follow Mohan’s advice

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks gopi

    Your words always cheer me up and make me feel humble! I hope I do live up to the expectations people have from me.!

    I will certainly drink one for you !

    Thx again you really did make my evening .

  • Anonymous

    Hillary made the day for Bongs! She says she is argumentative like Bengalis; she loves Tagore poetry!

    Todays NY Times:

    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/in-kolkata-clinton-talks-indian-reta

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Simple praise of Bong culture by an American lady could well change the whoel attitude of Bengal to capitalism and anti-americanism…

    The other possibilty being…

    Hillary goes home. Flies to the whitehouse. Calls for a press Conference

    And

    And

    And

    Unfurls a red flag of the hammer and sickle !

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    Ravi Reply:

    You had an opportunity to give her a Bhagwa Flag? Did you miss it??

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  • Anonymous

    “Doctors without borders” leaving Kshmir–says there is no need now, things quite improved and calm…

    Today’s NY Times
    http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/07/doctors-without-borders-pull-back-in-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Binoy,

    As expected Ms. Clinton is promoting FDI in India. Talking about the virtues of
    FDI with Mamta is a master stroke as Mamta is the main ally of UPA who is
    opposing this. Other things like praising Tagore and Bengal culture is a normal courtesy
    of a host.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps, the UPA outsourced the job to Ms. Clinton, as they themselves failed to convince her.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Will our lady be swayed by the charm of an Amercian lady? Will with and watch.

    By the way I am surprised that you have still not brought up the subject of the report
    filed by Raju Ramachandran in which he says that there are enough circumstantial evidences to prosecute Modi.

    Ravi Reply:

    I think Modi can kiss goodbye to US Visa for a while yet.

  • Anonymous

    Why no one is talking about the amicus curiae’s report saying that Mr. Modi should be prosecuted? Do we know how shallow is his basis for saying so?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    He talks about enough “circumstantial” evidence to prosecute!

    Well, to me, he smells, feels, acts, like the corrupt KG Balakrishnan.

    Or is it an usual HT ploy?

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    Ravi Reply:

    He was an Assistant Attorney General appointed by the last BJP Government.

    So now tell me?

    He has molecule by molecule removed the TEFLON coating from Modi.

    Raju Ramachandran is pointing to Modi’s “culpability to the extent that a message was conveyed that the state machinery would not step in to prevent the communal riots.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can’t remove the teflon coating using a sponge. Whatever claim he is making is essentially based on the statement made by a certain Mr. Sanjeev Bhatt about whom he admits in his report:

    “I am left with no doubt that he is actively “strategizing”, and isin touch with those who would benefit or gain mileage from his testimony.”

    Nothing more needs to be said.

    Ravi Reply:

    Depends on what the sponge is soaked in.

    You believe what you want to. I will believe a lawyer appointed by the Government.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And the SIT was appointed by?

    Show me the logic in trusting the findings of one over the other. I am deliberately ignoring the “fans” remark one last time.

    Ravi Reply:

    All the material evidence was submitted to Raju and his INTERPRETATION of that evidence is in the report. On balance he has concluded that some area’s require further investigation and that a case can be made against Modi.

    That does not stop other lawyers (appointed by whom so ever) to form a different judgement.

    It is now upto Judges to decide to take the matter further or not.

    That does not in any way dilutes either of the reports, you just choose which one you wish to side with.

    I side with Raju Ramachanran.

    Anonymous Reply:

    See my response in new thread

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    the SC itself didn’t believe in Bhatt’s credibility. It refused to give him time to make a statement in the court, it threw out the “affidavit” forcibly submitted by Bhatt,
    and the SC accepted the conclusions of the SIT without a single comment.

  • Anonymous

    In his report, the amicus says:

    The most vital material, supporting the allegation made by the Petitioner against Shri Modi, is the statement of Shri Sanjiv Bhatt, the then DCP (Intelligence). The SIT has concluded that his version is not believable for various reasons,inter alia that

    (a) the other senior officers present in the said meeting have not supported his statement,
    (b) his silence for more than 9 years without any proper explanation appears to be suspicious,
    (c) a number of departmental and criminal proceedings have been instituted by the Government and hence, Shri Bhatt has an axe to grind with the govt. of Gujarat.

    Therefore, the SIT opines that his statement is motivated and cannot be relied upon. The SIT also points out discrepancies in Shri Bhatt’s versions about the exact language said to have been used by the Chief Minister.The SIT also “discredits” Shri Bhatt by pointing out that his version about a subsequent meeting at the Chief Minister’s residence on 28.02.2002 at about 10:30 hours cannot be believed because his mobile phone records show that he was at Ahmedabad at 10:57 A.M., and therefore could not have reached Gandhinagar before 11:30 A.M.
    ——

    Now, if on investigation, the SIT finds something, the amicus assumes that it is out to discredit Mr. Bhatt.

    The amicus is yet to independently show that:
    a) Mr. Bhatt was present in the said meeting (his own statement means nothing unless corroborated by facts)
    b) Mr. Modi made the alleged statement in the said meeting (did he say so in such a low voice that no one except Mr. Bhatt – provided he was there – was able to hear it)

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    A lot of words not sure what your point is.

    The amicus is an eminent lawyer and full aware of Sanjiv Bhatt as well as the SIT report.

    He is trained to look at all evidence critically, and such details and supporting arguements are likely to be present in the detailed report.

    What we are being made aware of are merely the conclusions. If those conclusions are erroneous then surely a Judge will ignore them.

    The report(s) are now out what remains to be seen if what the Judiciary does with it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The point is simple:

    SIT has done its investigation and found points (a), (b) and (c). Now, the amicus still beleives that a case can be made against the CM. He assumes that the SIT is out to discredit Mr. Bhatt – a Supreme Court appointed out to discredit Mr. Bhatt – we need to form an SIT to look into the working of the SIT if one were to go by the suggestion of the amicus.

    He should have been more careful with the language used or else he would stand exposed.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    This is not for the first time that Judiciary is slightly compromised in a Political Case.

    Ask one question. Why was the Amicus asked to look into the case in the first place?

    What was the suspicion here?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The SC must now set up VISIT-Very Important Special Investigative Team headed by Abhishek Manu Singhvi with Raju Ramachandran as his assistant.

    The real face of Raghavan will then be exposed and Bhatt will be vindicated.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mangalm

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IRY3CTLCRTUUZ6TD6K6W5LGATM YogeshS

    n Indian office of the president of India has lost its dignity and grace. After Dr.S.Radhakrishnan, this office has become a tool to consolidate caste, communal, Muslim and Sikhs, vote banks. Another thing which is seen to day is the loyalty to Nehru-Gandhi family or some group.
    Again today Muslim vote bank is the biggest and communally united vote bank. So Muslims are become the No.1 preference. A.P.J.Aubdul Kalam, Hamid Ansari, Chief Election Commissioner Kureshi, Nazma Heptullaha, Mohsina Kidwai etc. are the Muslim candidates foe President and Vice-President. Similarly among Dalits, Sushil Shinde, Meera Kumar etc are the names. Among tribal P.A.Sangama is in the race. So no merit but caste, Islam, gender, psycho-pansy are become merit. Pranab Mukherjee is in the race due to his loyalty to Sonia Gandhi. No body thinks about great names like Ratan Tata, Narayan Murthy, Kiran Majumdar Shaw, Indira Nui, Meera Sanyal, Shreedharan, T.N.Sheshan, K.P.S.Gill, Anna Hazare, Gopalswami, Anil Kakodkar, Swaminathan, Arun Shorie, JagMohan, Gopal Krishan Gandhi, Gen. V.K.Singh, Vinod Puri, Justice Kapadia. UPA has spoiled the dignity and grace of this office. Only Caste, Islam Loyalty matters.

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  • Tanusree Banerjee

    After the last CWC meet it is clear
    that virtually India’s
    President is being selected by one person name Sonia Gandhi. Is it a sign of democracy
    or dictatorship? Last time name of Pratibha patil pops up whom people hardly
    know. Except the woman tag, she had not done anything as such to be chosen as president.
    Don’t you think there is a need to lay down some logical criteria and process
    to select our President?

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  • rckalra

    I think Dr. Manmohan Singh is most suited for the high office of President of India and Mr Pranab Mukerjee for the post of Prime Minister of India.

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  • Siddharth

    Very well written article. SO different from the usual domestic political nonsense.
    Good job !

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  • Joydeep

    Great write Pramit. Picking up the blogs, after our meet. Sharp , concise and clear – just the way you spoke!

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