Bangladeshis on the border



The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs recently said 3.2 million Bangladeshi migrants had settled in India. India, it noted in its report on international migration, has the “single largest bilateral stock of international migrants in the developing world.”

This number won’t be taken too seriously in India as it does not really take into account the bulk of illegal migrants. The S.K. Sinha report, which is commonly cited, came up with about 5 million Bangladeshi migrants each in Assam and West Bengal alone. It came up with about 15-16 million migrants in all.

While India and Bangladesh look set to miss signing a land border agreement in the last few months of the Manmohan Singh government, it seems likely it will be concluded at some point in the coming year or two. At this point, with a border that at least no longer looks like Swiss cheese, the issue of migration should be taken up at some point.

It costs a Bangladeshi about Rs 1000 to 1500 to get someone to get him across the Indian border, with a good bit of that money probably going to the Indian Border Security Force. Nothing will change the fact it costs a pittance to get across the border. And for the foreseeable future, the pull factors on the Indian side of jobs, a slightly higher income and so on will also remain. Combine this with the fact that, unlike the US-Mexican border, the people on both sides of the Indo-Bangladesh border are identical in appearance, language, culture and are both often bereft of any major identity documents.

This is, for all practical purposes, a nearly open border.
The issue therefore is not to attempt to stop migration. That simply cannot be done and everything that has happened since 1971 — or even 1947 — can stop this.

What should really be done is the introduction of a temporary work visa for Bangladeshis. In other words, a legal channel that would regularise the illegal traffic. What would be the benefits?

1. Migrants would be socialised into coming to working in India and then returning. Contrary to popular belief, a fairly large number of migrants go back and forth along the Indo-Bangladesh border. It is a joke in the home ministry that Bangladeshis who wanted to go back would surrender to the Indian police, be carted back home at New Delhi’s expense and then return, via a smuggler, after their business at home had been done. More than a few Bangladeshi migrants end up staying in India longer or forever because they find it difficult to go home given their illegal status.

2. If such a visa is linked to an Indian employer, it would make it easier for India’s police or security forces to track down legal workers who go AWOL. And there would, no doubt, be quite a few. But if an easy enough path is created for them to go back and forth legally, the incentive to become a fugitive would that much lower. If the Indian employer faces fines or other punishment if the Bangladeshi disappears into the wild green yonder, there would be an additional set of eyes on the migrant.

3. A legal channel would help de-criminalise the border. People trafficking has a whole host of complementary sins from prostitutions, organised crime and a corrupting influence on security forces that could be eliminated or at least diluted.

This would not necessarily stop illegal migration. But it would divert a large number of the Bangladeshis who cross into a legal channel. That would be a start.

The normal political way to sell this is to combine a tougher policy against illegals with a sunny open door for the legal migrants. The Northeast, which is especially sensitive about Bangladeshis of any hue and colour, might find the idea of legal migration more palatable if it is merged with sustained drives against illegal migrants.

Ultimately, what will stop migration are the economic fortunes of Bangladesh. Dhaka has been a remarkable economic and social success the past decade. But it still remains poorer per capita than India even if its human development index is better. However, thanks to India’s free trade agreement, Bangladesh now exports some billion dollars’ worth of textiles and other things to India, creating both wealth and a pro-India business group inside both major political parties in Bangladesh. One can see this in Mexico, with the US economy tanking and the Mexican economy looking pretty good, there has been net migration of Mexicans out of the US.

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  • Anonymous

    Aaloke
    I wanted to respond to the history comment you made in the last blog.
    European invasion was not in the 187th century; but long before that. Vasco de Gama , the Portugese explorer landed in Kozhikode (Calicut) in 1498; and seven years after that Portugese established their empire in Malabar coast from Kochi to Mangalore, later expanding to Goa, Yanam, Diu etc.
    They constructed several forts across the coast; many still remain, one being St Angelo Fort in my home town Kannur, constructed in 1510,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you are right.

    And because of the atrocities and violence unleashed by the barbaric Portuguese in their zeal to convert the entire population to Christianity, thousands belonging to my community ran away to places southwards on the west coast.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    Portugese created lot of fissures in the already exsiiting Christian community (Syrian Christians) there; forcing them to the Latin lithurgy (away from Syriac and Malayalam) … lots of factions within the Kerala Christian community happened after the Portugese compulsions

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Gopi ji,

    You are right. However I was referring to time when Europeans were more settled in India and had started devoting their time for Study of India.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    what made you to write a blog on the non-descript Uttarkhand, when all eyes are focussed on UP? Why have you denied us a peep into your mind about the war in UP?

    I am reminded of a historical joke.

    in 1961, when China had amassed its army on India’s northern border and had already grabbed large parts of land, the people were clamouring for some befitting response.

    And what did our honourable Kriishna Menon, MOD, did? Instead of marching northward, he ordered our army to march into Goa and liberated it from the Portuguese!

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  • Anonymous

    ‘a damning CAG report on the “Kumbh mela” scandal under Ramesh Pokhriyal Nishank’

    Here is another reason (if ever another reason was required), why the state should get out of the business of funding/subsidiising religious practices/rituals.

    Or because it is a matter of religion, corruption / scandals can be overlooked?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Corruption is rampant in every department of the government. They should get
    out from all – Aviation, Railway, Post offices, RTO, Licencing, Passport issuing
    office, Oil and Gas, Police, CBI and all other departments which are run
    by the government,.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    1) The business of the Government is not to run businesses.

    2) Yes, the state should not be running enterprises like Aviation, even Railways, OIl and Gas and other PSUs. The sooner they get out of it, the better. Less cases for that Lokpal to look into and hence will be ‘more’ effective.

    3) However, I am really surprised that you are going over the top that the Government should not do anything in any field to justify subsidies/funding of Kumbh Melaas. Amazing. Ami I right?

    We all agree that law and order is state’s responsibility and other services like passports, RTO, etc, must be handled by the state.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kumbh Mela is an ancestral, time immemorial, civilizational celebration of India. Nothing wrong in an Indian govt supporting/funding an Indian heritage

    engrich Reply:

    something should be don save our water resources.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    If government is subsiding anything for anyone who is taking part in Kumbh mela, than
    that should be stopped. I am not in favor of any subsidy for any religios activity.
    It is government’s job to provide amenities and security for this tradition which is
    more than 1000 year old. Government should try to stop the corruption and not
    the facilities required for such activities just because they are not able to curb
    corruption.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan & Gopi

    We are on the opposite pages. I do not buy 1000 year old tradition justification or any other.

    I just picked Kumbh Mela from the blog. No exceptions to any religion.

    For example, people going for Haj are provided subsidies for air travel (Air India is already bleeding to death). Sorry, not done. Those who cannot afford air-fares, let there be a shipping service (as it used to be in the days of yore).

    Let me take this further – tomorrow – Dera Sachcha Sauda (in the news because of elections) also insist of being provided services/infrastructure for their annual gathering at state’s expense and then tomorrow some other ‘religious group’ also starts demanding that their gathering also similarly be blessed and so on. There is no end to this. The state cannot discriminate. Figures will keep piling that would need to be deducted from the tax collections and what would we be left with for far more important things we need to do?

    Of course, the Government is duty bound to make sure law and order is maintained. Any expenditure on this account is perfectly legitimate. Also, if the state undertakes for example public road repairs – no argument on that count too.

    Let there be say Kumbh Mela Authority solely comprising of the temples/local businesses/etc. and let them do the needful. Spend and recover for the services to the pilgrims. Subsidies can be to the extent if private individuals and trusts donate to the authority and I am sure there are enough of them and generous .

    For example, the Somnath Temple was rebuilt with funds collected from the public (and not Government funds, as some would like us to believe). Sardar Patel and K M Munshi after him coordinated and supervised the efforts.

    As things are today, corruption is an intended or unintended consequence of the state getting involved.

    engrich Reply:

    haj subsidy should be finished each haji should pay ir 2000-3000 as goverment service charge.khumbh mela .goverment should make lake from the river where people can make dipping.each man should pay irs 500 as enterence fee.indian rs 50000 should be fined if anybody is found spoiling rivers.urinating,bathing or making tatti
    there.total moneyspend on management of mela.should be charged from khumbh samiti.there are 33 crores devtas.if these habits of spoiling ecology continue,india will vanish.india is above evrything.

    humko maloom hai jannat ke haqeeqat lekin,
    dil ke kush karne ko ghalib yeh kayal achcha hai.

    goverment should be strict with religious thugs.not religion.all dargahs and ashrams(centres of money laundering)should be raided and unaccounted money immediately confiscated.and back to circulation..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    By this logic, government will have to get out of all everything. There are Scandals everywhere.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Please see my reply to Mohan.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Here my fear is that you create a local body to collect taxes and then corruption/ embezzelment there will not either enrich government coffers or generate antipathy towards government of the day, which will be perceived as anti hindus erecting road blocks to slavation. Ha.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    My view is that private bodies/authorities tend to be less corrupt. They better not be corrupt, because they do not have access to someone else’s funds (as one does in the Government).

    I have no empirical data to support though, but some examples and personal experiences.

    For example,

    1) the toll booths (managed by private companies) on the highways – do you see any corruption there? None that I know of.

    2) issue of IT PAN cards have been outsourced to UTI, no corruption there – just go, fill in the form, pay the fees and on the promised date – Voila!. Earlier, the IT department did not have the resources and personnel to issue them in time-bound manner and one had to grease them to get one (in queue or out of turn).

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma has posted an utter sterile BAKWAS , perhaps he is a bit low , given Pankaj Bohra was on NDTV , he is fearing the loss of earnings.
    So Gopi Thomas has rightly discussed something else .
    I am reading MILTON FREIDMAN’S , Capitalism and Freedom.I will comment as I progress with the book.Freidman apparently visited India , he thought Mahalonobis model to be too mathematical , HE DID ADVICE TO PUT ALL THE EFFORT IN EDUCATION AND HEALTH SO AS TO BUILD THE HUMAN CAPITAL/INFRASTRUCTURE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan

    My prognosis is that future historians writing the obituary of American Capitalist triumphs will trace the decilne to Milton Freedman and his ideas, and specifically his term as the Economic Advisor to President Ronald Reagan..

    His total animosity to Keynesianism, total hands off by government, total support to uncontrolled/unregulated “free market” essentially decimated the middle class in USA, and created the present precipitous situation there the 1% and 99%…

    He is an intellectual giant. However, economic policies of large and diverse countries like US, India, China have to be an amalgam of various theoretical and pragmatic frameworks, rather than an abiding attachment to one theory or other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Reservations, affirmative action and ides of Milton Freedman has one basic
    fundamental flaw, that is human nature . Human by nature is greedy and selfish.
    That is why we have laws to stop/punish the people who commit a crime because
    of greed. According to Mr. Freedman that people will ultimately self regulate and
    things will fall in place. That is not possible, government intervention is required
    to controll/regulate people/policies.

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  • Anonymous

    World lacks enough food, fuel as population soars: UN

    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_world-lacks-enough-food-fuel-as-population-soars-un_1643948

    Excerpt

    Even by 2030, the world will need at least 50% more food, 45% more energy and 30% more water, according to UN estimates, at a time when a changing environment is creating new limits to supply.
    ————-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-
    Let us hope statistics and projections are wrong.

    On the energy needs, I am sure human ingenuity will prevail, alternate to carbon fuels will be found, within economic justification.

    Food is a different issue – in the sense it depends on cultivable land, be it for vegetraian or non-vegetarian food. Kerala used to be self sufficient in rice; however, it is an importer now, partly because of the conversion of agricultural land into residential, and partly because of the unintended consequences of land reform acts.

    While artificial food can be produced through chemical actions, that may not be the solution because our grand children will die of cancer.. Well, that may be one way of dealing with the food issue!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I too hope so.

    But the alarm bells are ringing. The world has to get its act together sooner than later, otherwise we would be in big big trouble on this planet (and we all know this is the only one we have). Food wars may be become the order of the day.

    I have no doubts on the ingenuity of the humans. Necessity is the mother of invention has always come into play.

    The main things is air, water and food. Other things/luxuries can be curtailed or rationed.

    Recycling may be answer. Any views on that!

    Natural and artificial food requires inputs from the available limited resources the planet has. Cannot augment anything from Jupiter.

    I liked your tongue-in-cheek comment about artificial food and cancer.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    In total agreement here. it is said that energy problem is nothing when water problem is contemplated. No water, no irrigation, no food etc. The scene is straight from a Sci-fi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Some 15 years ago, one of my friends was told by a secretary in the Central government that sooner or later water would probably become the one problem in India. That is where the Government needs to pay more attention to. The efforts of the likes of Rajinder Singh, the waterman, Anna Hazare (drip irrigation) and others are to be lauded, but they cannot achieve critical levels to benefit the population at large.and that is where the state has to get more pro-active.

    engrich Reply:

    main reason is short of labou force.rich keralians like punjabis dont want to work as labour.migrant labour is not suffcient.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    Recent reports says that for last 15 years , Global warming has not only stopped, but there is likelihood of temperatures falling globally. We might be at the beginning of a mini ice age.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Aaloke

    I believe we should not worry too much about global warming as the process is slow enough for life on the planet to adjust, perhaps the law – survival of the fittest – would be in play also. Down the history of the world going back millions of years, the climate has always changed at a leisurely pace (there was an ice age) and life has always adjusted. With too many of us – perhaps the pace has increased and it may have little more disastrous consequences.

    It is some sudden catastrophe ( a giant meteor striking the earth, for example) that would be upon us and we may not be alive to think and worry about it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    I always had my doubts on Finality with which Global Warming data and its analysis was published.

    Since solutions suggested for Global warming are good in themselves ( not necessarily for Global Warning ), so it was many times advisable to keep quiet.

  • Anonymous

    I hope Khanduri wins.. If he loses, it will be due to 1) Internal BJP issues with Ramesh Pokhyal team 2) Muslim vote going toCongress in marginal districts, and not with any congress resurgence.
    Khanduri is a good man, a true soldier.

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    engrich Reply:

    jansanghi khandhuri is making huge money by selling lands of poors to capitalists.this is the name of game.he may win again as common man dont understand this game.

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  • engrich

    “The US Africa Command is now at war on the continent of Africa.

    aaj ki taza khabar

    “And not surprising, the war is about oil.” (AFRICOM Goes To War In Africa -m)

    Ghana made its first big oil find off the coast in 2007, and turned on the taps in 2011.

    Reportedly, Mossad and the CIA are very active in oil-rich Ghana and Nigeria.

    There is a fear that Ghana could become a failed state, just like Nigeria.

    Politicians in both Nigeria and Ghana have their armed militias.

    The CIA used militias to get control of the oil in Libya

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Ravi,

    I addressed last post to you as you had mentioned that you are interested in Different Perspectives.I think I was mistaken. Discussion with Engrich, as you suggest is impossible.I would have been happy to answer all your points in your last post, however, since you have your suspicions,and no discussion is possible in shadow of suspicions, so I will stop it here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaoleke

    I responded to your statement about Europeans invading in 17th century.. The Portugese invasion (the first western attack) happened much earlier– I responded in this blog because the earlier one was closed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke
    you may know this tidbit about James Mill, the first English historian of India – he said the whole history of India could be written in two months, because there is no history to write other than British India’s, and that he could write it staying in England without visiting India.

    He did write a history, it took more than 2 months to write; however, he never visited India to write this history book.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Gopi

    I assume that fact alone has so jaundiced your view about European Historians that you disapprove of all of them, including Wendy Doniger.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Only hate-filled anti-Indians worship Wendy Doniger.

    There are dozens of other well meaning neutral historians and writers on India. Drain Inspectors’ reports can be got ordered for a few dollars by anybody.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    According to Wendy Donigerr, Dashrath was a
    sex maniac.

    engrich Reply:

    while dashrath was impotent.

    Ravi Reply:

    Thanks

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    engrich Reply:

    h Engrich, as you suggest is impossible

    why not.but u have to aaacept that taimur has looted only a fraction what u brhmns have looted.to one mr acharya is arrestested.

    Merit — My Foot.
    Has anybody visited the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore? I go there sometimes.
    This is said to be country’s “most prestigious and internationally known research institution”. Fine.
    I asked them to give me just one instance of their research accepted as per international standards. The authorities started evading the question.
    RESEARCH IN INDIAN INST. OF SCIENCES
    But t I can speak with authority. IISc has not a single research to its credit that will help improve the living standards of the people. I said this once at a public meeting inside the IISc itself, presided by its then director.
    No Indian scientist has received any Nobel Prize after “independence”. Those “Indians” who got such prize are not Indian citizens.
    In the light of these, where is the chance for India “re-discovering”? Hate cannot build a society. It can only break the society.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @engrich , The liquid crystal display or LCD that you see everywhere was first suggested by a scientist from IISc. You know I dont give opinions , I PLACE FACTS, I came across this in the journalNature , there was a big centrespread SCIENCE IN INDIA. If I can track down that journal , I will post the page number

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    engrich Reply:

    u can call this contribution not an invention.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ram,

    Merit — My Foot.
    —–Where are they? Aap ke charan sparsh karke dhany honge.

    Has anybody visited the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore? I go there sometimes.
    —-Why? To do what?

    IISc has not a single research to its credit that will help improve the living standards of the people.
    —–There are many research centres and many world class researches which will not help rising the living standards of the people by an inch, like Higgs Boson. Do you mean, all such research works should be abandoned? What about the thing called Human curiosity? When India flew 3 rockets (Aryabhata, Bhaskara & Rohini) in 70s or 80s, people could have thought it as waste of money. But today, can we imagine our life without satellite technology? If someone wants to take up research after realising the application, can you imagine how long it will take to develop it? Science, not necessarily follows application. Application (sometimes as a product, sometimes as bi-product) follows Science.

    But I can speak with authority.
    —Yes Sir. Go on. Enlighten us. (By the way, I thought this statement was Shan’s copyright).

    No Indian scientist has received any Nobel Prize after “independence”. Those “Indians” who got such prize are not Indian citizens.
    —– Do you think, it is to do with institution alone? Today’s research not just requires individual merit but technologies backed by heavy resources. When India got independence, we have to start with providing basic amenities to common people. Government cannot allocate huge funds for research projects, where people want to study the smallest particle or a distant galaxy. (How can it justify, when people of this country still do not get drinkable water?) Yes it does provide some, but you cannot compare them with world class projects .Compare http://www.indianexpress.com/news/iits-iisc-get-additional-grant/289288/ with http://www.physicscentral.com/buzz/blog/index.cfm?postid=2156439899482364662.

    Not to say, all the problems are due to finance only. One main (Indian)problem is, people refuse to work in collaboration which is what required in a huge project. In Europe every country puts in money for just one part in a combined project. In India every institute head wants to build something on his own (smaller or bigger) where he can take the whole credit and get a Padmashree, thereby reducing the quality of the project. (Except for space missions, we don’t hear of a joint venture between institutes). Europe though made of different countries, all come together whenever they want to achieve big. Ours is so called one country. But every fraction acts like mini country. Mediocracy in research props in because of the emphasis on the number of publications over quality of publication.

    I said this once at a public meeting inside the IISc itself, presided by its then director.
    —– So he got a chance of “listening to you”, which we mortals could not get. Feel jealous of him.

    Hate cannot build a society. It can only break the society.
    ——Great to hear the above statement from you.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    A very good reply to Engrich.

    Let this be an example that Aaloke can study.

    It is possible to provide factual counter points to Engrich.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you tell your “other self” to acept the reply and shut its mouth.

    engrich Reply:

    instead o fighting jihadis better fight ur fear.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Very good reply, but will this make any difference to the
    person you have addressed?

    engrich Reply:

    dil se jo baat nikaltee hai asar rakhti hai,
    par nahin taqate parwaz magar rakhti hai.

    i will awnser mr vinay but now i am very busy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    Just read again the post of Engrich. It is written by someone
    else. English used is refined, not his usual style.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Mohan,

    Somehow, I like this “other Engrich”, who speaks in Hindi. When Rajeev and Ashish were exchanging their views about religion being atheists, he intervened and said; ” When people who pray no Gods can call themselves Hindus, why not people who pray Allah. Society took away Muslim’s right to call themselves Hindus”. I have no answer for such questions. Despite people’s demand to ban him, I don’t like him to leave. I would miss such words in between his tonnes of copy paste. His anti-Hindu/Brahmin riotic words makes no impact on me. (In fact, these days my food won’t get digested without reading about Brahmin atrocities. ) But people’s tolerance limits are different. So a tight moderation of posts may be needed. But I am not for ban.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    It does not make any difference to me whether
    he is banned or not as I normally skip all his long posts. It is impossible to interact with
    this gentleman as most of the time his answer
    is same. I prefer ignoring him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Jihadi pig engrich,

    this is clearly a cut-and-paste job by some other jihadi in your ISI tukdi.

    I am sure you went to IISc. to scout for places to keep your bombs and to assess how you can destroy the whole institution with how many bombs.

    You are the most hate filled jihadi pig on this blog,. So don’t talk about breaking societies.

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    engrich Reply:

    Hate cannot build a society. It can only break the society.

  • Anonymous

    @Gopi Thomas and mohanR, Its great you are elevating this blog to a higher plane rather than the mundane politics of india. I have just started reading the book , so wont be able to pass much judgement . It is true he was the intellectual underpinning of the CIA inspired coup de tat that brought down Allende govt in chile.
    His main argument is FREEDOM and he does speak very convincingly about it.
    You can only have Microsoft , Apple , and all the GREAT INVENTIONS in USA ,
    WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN INDIA OR UK IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.
    FREEDOM DOES MATTER, but it is not all or none situation .
    I saw a chanel four programme called THE NERDS. This traces the origin of PERSONAL COMPUTERS.
    Apparently when Bill Gates was a student at Harvard , during summer vacation , they used to meet somewhere near MEXICO border. All the hacks from all over america. kind of a fair or woodstock. Easy availability of cheap prostitute was also a motivation apprently.
    Now at that time only a b c of computers were on display mostly by amateurs and DIY stuff.One guy produced a prototype which could just about convert few commands to a display on the screen. Gates and the rest pounced on it and worked day and night to improve on it.
    IRONICALLY THE GUY WHO PRODUCED THAT FIRST PROTOTYPE went out of business , RETRAINED AS A DOCTOR AND NOW PRACTICES IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO.
    Same with Sergei Brin and google , Facebook , twitter , the great revolution of our time only possible BECAUSE OF FREEDOM, impossible to come out of a govt institution

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  • Anonymous

    Economics in recent years—and the Government Bailout, Economic reality

     

     

     

    Mary is the proprietor of a bar in Dublin. She realises that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to

    patronise her bar.

     

    To solve this problem, she comes up with new marketing plan  that allows her customers to drink now  but  pay later.

     

    She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans).

     

    Word gets around about Mary’s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result,  increasing numbers of customers  flood into Mary’s bar.  Soon she has  the largest sales volume  for any bar in Dublin.

     

    By providing her customers’ freedom from immediate payment demands,  Mary gets no resistance  when, at regular intervals,  she substantially increases her prices  for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Mary’s gross sales volume increases massively.

     

    A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank recognises that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases  Mary’s borrowing limit.  He sees no reason for any undue concern,  since he has the debts  of the unemployed alcoholics  as collateral.  At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders  figure a way  to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into Drink bonds and Alki bonds. These securities are then bundled and  traded on international security markets. Naive investors don’t really understand that the securities being sold to them  as ‘AAA’ secured bonds  are really the debts  of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless,  the bond prices continuously climb,  and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items  for some of the nation’s  leading brokerage houses.

    One day, even though  the bond prices  are still climbing,  a risk manager  at  the original local bank  decides that the time has come  to demand payment on the debts incurred  by the drinkers at Mary’s bar. He so informs Mary.  Mary then demands payment  from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics  they cannot pay back their drinking debts.  Since Mary  cannot fulfil her loan obligations  she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes  and the eleven employees lose their jobs.

     

    Overnight,  Drink bonds and Alki bonds drop in price by 90%. The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit  and economic activity  in the community.

     

    The suppliers  of Mary’s bar had granted her generous payment extensions  and  had invested their firms’ pension funds  in the various Bond securities. They find they are now faced with  having to write-off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

     

    Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

     

    Fortunately though,  the bank, the brokerage houses and  their respective executives are saved and bailed out  by a multi-billion euro  no-strings-attached  cash infusion from their cronies  in government.

     

    The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, non-drinkers who have never been in Mary’s bar.

     

    Now, do you understand economics over recent years?

    This will happen if people are allowed to self regulate.

    Freedom is very important, but some where line should be drawn.

     

     

     

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    Anonymous Reply:

    YOU ARE CONFUSING CORRUPTION WITH FREEDOM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Sorry I could not reply you last night.

    I am all for freedom for invention/innovation in fields like medicine,
    agriculture, energy, engineering and all such fields which will bring
    benefits to the mankind or should I use political correct word
    humankind. We were discussing about the economic ideas of Mr. Milton Friedman who believed in free markets with very minimal control. US started adopting his ideas in full force
    during the time of President Reagan. Former Chairman of US Federal
    Reserve Mr. Alan Greenspan was also in tune with these ideas
    and he supported in implementing those. Few years back just
    after the recession he admitted that it was a mistake to leave markets
    with complete freedom in a hope that they will self regulate. Self regulation never came while greed took over and recession hit the
    market about four years back from which world is still trying to recover.
    The story of Irish bar I posted was what was happening in US and was
    followed by the world over. It started in housing sector which resulted
    in a crises which is now famously called as Sub-primes crises.
    Banks started lending for housing to the people without checking
    their worthiness. Those loans were re-packaged and sold and re-sold
    to different entities at premiums. No one bothered to check the worthiness of the original borrower. Banks did not check, other investors who bought these loans did not check, auditors did not
    check and even rating agencies did not do their due diligence.
    When one of the holder of these loans tried to encash, all the hell
    broke loose and the result is in front of us. Greed of the banking
    institutes all around the world is the main reason behind this
    economic catastrophe.
    This is what I was trying to say that the ideas of Mr. Friedman did
    not take human nature into account.

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  • Anonymous

    Mallya wants state govts to buy seats on each flight

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/mallya-wants-state-govts-to-buy-seats-on-each-flight/905696/

    ————

    The king of good times is at it again. What does the Government do with those seats? Sell them at a discount or send its employees around for the heck of it or or is it another way to subsidise (that damned word again) the unsupportable?

    A general question – are we a nation of freeloaders? Sab kuchh phokaT mein yaa sastaa chaahiye.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    Ofcourse you are recounting House ownership fiasco in US. A bank was allowed to die but government supported other financial institutions, again at the expense of other tax payers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Yes, and I have answered Shan in detail.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan

    Freedom is one ingredient. The other ingredients are ecossytem related – venture capital, angel investors, scientific/business networks etc.. Slowly the ecosytem is taking shape in india; several “applied” innovations are happening here too- although the true path-breaking innovations like “google” requires world class universities such as Stanford/MIT.

    Leading American universities have hundreds of years of research/experience.

    The economic growth is indirectly causing technological growth. India has entreprebneurial, intellectual brains, investment infrastructure (for upcoming companies) — economic expansion will result in scientific growth too, over a longer span

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  • Anonymous

    If Congress wins elections in Uttarakhand and Punjab then there is something seriously wrong with India. Either they are very tolerant of corruption or are totally brainless.
    As far as UP is concerned, SP or BSP will form the govt. with outside support from Congress. Either Mulayam OR Mayawati will have to face jail in next 2-3 years but whosoever supports Congress at Center will remain safe.

    Vijay,
    You stay close to both the states. Any idea what people on the ground are saying about the outcome of this election.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Rajeev,

    This is what I also have tried to explain. It is “Character”. We Indians at this moment do not possess what can be called a strong Character ( On an average ). There will always be very high and very low character people in any society, but the AVERAGE CHARACTER of its people is what decides type of Govt / Leaders they have.

    In my view, we have to work here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke-
    I believe the issue has more tro do with the lack of “republicanism” in our democratic process. The individual citizen is minimized, tribes/group identities have taken over. This is something our founding fathers and early leaders should have focused on. All the constitutional mods – such as states on the basis of language, various special preferences for certain segments – coupled with the pervasive role of the govt in all economic activity and the resultant corruption – all these have further eroded the individual and reinforced group think. I think seat allocation (vs a US style primary) also feeds into group behaviour,

    I will not blame the “character”. The citizen is not as interested in governing as we see in USA. I witnessed the fervour of the primary process there when I traveled there few weeks ago.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, there is groupism here too. However, in general, people go with the candidate who is close to their political beliefs.

    Anonymous Reply:

    We Indians , that is 50% of the total population do not have a STRONG BODY , let alone character, because we go hungry at night, Oh yes we are not of AVERAGE HEIGHT we are all STUNTED due to endemic malnutrition.
    By the way we 50% do not know anything about internet , for that matter anything other than our immediate surroundings , THUS WE CANNOT PATRONISE PEOPLE OVER THE NET

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Prahalad,

    In your last post addressed to me,you asked a very valid question. It was ” Let us live in present,and construct a better future, Life would be much simpler”.

    You are right. It is present that we have to be mainly concerned with. Let me briefly share my philosophy on this ” Let us live in present, Plan for better future with Confidence and experience of our Present and past”. Past is not the most important thing, but it has its own importance.We can plan a better future based on experiences of our past.

    I find ,Inspite of so many Modern Trappings like Computers, Internet, Ease of Travel etc, so many things have remained same. We many times get trapped with our Linear Thinking approach, that is, if this thing has happened in this way for last 100 years, we extrapolate it for another 100 years.History gives us a bigger reference data . We can plot a better graph and plan better. But for that, we have to Know History in a better way.

    Large volumes can be written on this topic, but let me conclude it here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaoleke

    As they say “history is a *****”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Come on, Gopi.

    It is the only source of knowledge. What we do or have done with it is a different matter altogether.

    Einstein’s Theory of Relativity was not something he dreamed off nor was there any divine revelation( there has never been one). It was built on the earlier works of Archimedes, Kepler, Galileo, Newton and Maxwell just to name a few.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke, Gopi, and Prahlad Sir,

    Also, “those who forget history are condemned to repeat it”

    But, considering that our schools and colleges are teaching only JNU type history, I think being ignorant about history is really being blissful.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan, Aaloke and others.

    It was suggested (sarcastically or otherwise) that the government will have to get out of everything, because there are Scandals everywhere, when discussing states subsidies/funding for religion.

    Now wouldn’t that be great, only if each individual on this planet was a disciplined soul? Utopia!

    We need the state (especially the central and the state governments) to get involved in as few areas/fields as far as possible.

    1) Sell off all the PSUs – of course there are vested interests/ideological compulsions/spites/plain stupidities are at work to put the spanners in the works and it is not going to be easy.

    2) Decentralise more powers to lower levels – districts, talukas, municipalities and gram sabhas and let them manage their affairs at more micro levels – then knowing the limited supply of funds, more efficient use of funds (and less corruption, fewer scams and scandals). Bring governance next door to the people, so to say. These have been my views, do you agree?

    It is impossible to know what goes on in those monster-sized ‘bhawans’ housing the ministries and departments in various capitals and when found out, it is generally too late and the scams/scandals of gigantic proportions.

    4) Of course, some key areas – defence, law and order, finance, etc. would be the responsibility at macro level.

    I believe that in countries where there is less corruption such as Sweden and New Zealand – the Government has its fingers and toes in least amount enterprises/areas/fields. Is that so?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    Your solutions under 1) , 2) and 4) are real solutions. It depends how much time we will take in arriving at those solutions. ( BTW what happened to pt. no 3 )

    As far as my knowledge of Sweden is concerned, it is a typical welfare state. Income taxes are very high , but Govt takes care of many things. In such condition, there has to be lot of Govt role. However,there is a good culture of honesty.

    It is easy to catch 2 thieves out of 100 people population.Almost impossible to catch 98 thieves out of 100 people population.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is no pt no. 3. Wrong numbering.

    In India, our parliament (in spite of the ‘gaalis’ we hurl at our MPs) has passed many fine laws and acts to go with our constitution (a marvellous document) down the years. The big problem is in implementing these legislation. Very poor track record.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Rajeev

    Vinod Sharma ji bats for the Congress we all know that. So dont go to seriously by what a maalishwala / maalishwali ? said to him.

    But the fact is a lot of our elections are fought on emotional issues.

    Sonia and chotta baba raise emotions of widow and son wanting to serve India, but ask rural voters to vote for them as “woh uss parivar ke hai..”

    Mayawati raises emotions on Dalit ki beti; Mulayam says Yadav and Muslims; Chotta baba scares Muslims by saying they will destroy Islam, while I will save you.

    Unfortunately development linked parties have not been able to get their emotional quotont right.

    I go to Dehradun often and know COngress bcos of the historical base of ND Tewari is quite strong. EVEN THOUGH everyone remembers that to get a project or file passed one needed to send a “willing” girl to Chacha…

    So it could just be touch and go.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    and chacha would bless them with holy water.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chacha ND Tewari should write a book on what makes him tick at 88 (?). After being caught with female household helps in Andhra, he is now aspiring for the CM’s chair.

    His formulae of Shliajit and other herbs will help the sxport oriented industries of India,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    if he writes this book, Mani silencer Aiyar will move Sonia’s court and have it banned. Then the liberals can be silenced that a brahmin’s book too gets banned in India.

    India will get world-wide accolades and also Guinness record for the highest number of bans.

    Meanwhile Tiwari’s book will be sold in the black for Rs.2000 per copy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    I admire this gentleman Mr. N D Tiwari, at this age also ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    N D Tewari should retire from politics and become a mascot of some ” Dawa khana…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    That medicine will be super hit in our sex starved country
    if it is promoted by him. In this field he can easily beat star advertising mascots such us Dhoni, Tendulkar and SRK.

    engrich Reply:

    like sachin brhmn never retire.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Find out what he has for breakfast or is it the ‘hawaa paani’ of Dehra Dun and Mussoorie ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    I presume we are following the heart wrenching tale of the 2 year old Falak, who is battling for his life in a New Delhi hospital..

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Changed-five-hands-still-nobody-s-child/Article1-804338.aspx

    What crime this little innocent and totally defenceless child commit to deserve such cruel treatment? Very tragic indeed.

    He may not be the only one tos uffer in this bad bad world.

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    engrich Reply:

    some information from my side,

    On 29 January 2012, the 13-year-old son of a colonel in the US Airforce was shot dead at his home in the UK.

    The colonel is based at the USAF air base in RAF Croughton, in the UK.

    US officer’s son dies after gunshot

    In 1999, an estimated 3,244,000 children in the USA were reported to Child Protective Services

    On 28 January 2012, a naked 9-year-old boy was found wandering his North Miami Beach neighborhood.

    The boy’s bones protruded from his skin, and his eyes bulged from their sockets.

    The authorities had been alerted to the child’s situation as early as 2007, but had failed to protect him.

    Judge: Abused boy looks like concentration camp victim

    CIA torture of children (MK ULTRA brainwashing)

    Children from Texas are nearly twice as likely to die from abuse and neglect as children from Vermont.

    Texas is a low tax, low service state.

    Vermont is a high-tax, high-service state.

    Why child abuse is so acute in the US

    Victim of child abuse in the USA

    In the USA, “why do husbands beat their wives?

    “Why do so many of us support capital punishment?

    “Why do we find so much entertainment and enjoyment in films and television programs that depict physical violence?

    “The answer is that we are a physically violent society and that child abuse represents merely one aspect of that violence…

    “Cultures that gave a great deal of infant physical affection – that is, a lot of touching, holding and carrying – were rated very low in adult physical violence.

    “Conversely, the cultures that were rated low on adult physical affection of children were rated very high on adult physical violence.”

    Article: Child Abuse in America: Slaughter of the Innocents

    ~~

    FAMILY COURTS ARE RUN BY PEDOPHILE RINGS?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Engrich YOU WILL GET AS GOOD AS YOU GIVE
    Blood and honour arab women protest ‘family honour’ killings arab women demonstrated at the weekend opposite the plo authority police headquarters in ram’allah, against the phenomenon of “family honour murders”. The protest focused on the case of 36-year-old amira mugrabi, a ram’allah hospital worker, who was murdered recently, ostensibly for bringing “dishonour” on her family mugrabi’s body was left in the street near her home, as an example to other women, arab civil rights groups said. Demonstrators said that at least 10 arab women had been killed or had “disappeared” from their homes in the area over the past few years, apparently for “dishonouring” their families. (ha’aretz) one of the most dishonourable ways to treat a woman is to rape her but it is utterly abhorrent when that innocent victim is “legally” killed for a crime she did not commit. Not only that, but a girl who is the victim of incest, may be killed by a family member, even the perpetrator of the crime, with impunity, to save the “honour” of that family. In rare cases, the killers may receive a mild sentence – a mere slap on the wrist – but no cases have been recorded where the murderers have received a life-sentence or the death penalty which is imposed for crimes of far less magnitude. Blood and honour, a three-part feature on the subject of “family-honour killings”, appears below. It was first published in the middle east digest, february 1995.

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    engrich Reply:

    honour killing is daily affair in india.

  • Anonymous

    Good news on the corruption front.
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    Give sanction in 4 months to prosecute corrupt ministers, public servants: SC tells govt

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/give-sanction-in-4-months-to-prosecute-corrupt-ministers-public-servants-sc-tells-govt/906044/

    Excerpt

    In a ruling that has come as a setback for the government while effectively removing a major roadblock in the war against corruption, the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the government will have to give the nod to prosecute a corrupt minister or a public servant within four months of the request.

    This would mean the government cannot indefinitely delay sanction to try a public official if there is a whiff of scandal against him.

    The apex court ruled the government can take one month for legal opinion, and three months thereafter for deciding on sanction. A bench of Justices G S Singhvi and A K Ganguly ruled that sanction would be deemed to have been granted if the competent authority fails to take a decision within four months.

    ————

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    “” the Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that the government will have to give the nod to prosecute a corrupt minister or a public servant within four months of the request.”" Is this the ruling of the court that the government has to say
    YES that the said minister should be prosecuted ? Or within four months
    government can also say not to prosecute against whom corruption charges
    are leveled .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    We have to wait for the full judgment.

    As I see it, they will have to justify (non-prosecution) by giving very good reasons, which perhaps can be referred to a court of law.

    This is little step in the right direction – that indefinite wait (one way or the other) is over. It had become the norm to delay it forever.

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  • Anonymous

    “An outright Congress win will be a blow as much for Team Anna as for Khanduri who adopted their version of the Lokayukta”
    It is intriguing that now Vinod Sharma Sahib should think of Team Anna and their model of the Lokayukta , as enemies who should be defeated , implicitly, as he occupies a high public office and is also a senior editor of a National daily , this should also be construed to be in the interest of the country. As if , this what he would like to see the most in the defeat of the BJP…..
    Why should he hold out such a view…does he hold them as the biggest threat to those he holds close to his heart ? Does he think that Team Anna shall be spoilsport for those he bats for ? Why is it that in the defeat of BJP he shall see not a defeat of ‘ Communalism” but of Team Anna’s campaign… Intriguing no …
    Or is that he was apprehending the SC order on guidelines for granting permission for prosecution of those who hold high public office. …Which in a way brings the PM of India under a cloud for his prevarication on 2G … I cannot say ….. I am still trying to find answers to the many questions which Mr Vinod Sharma Sahib keeps throwing up.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj Pachauri has taken over as the new Communications Advisor in the PMO. He shall report to Pulak Chatterji Secretary to PM. Harish Khare Media Advisor to PM Manmohan Singh’s own choice , has resigned. Khare reported directly to PM.
    Pachauri has started working and now we are seeing a flurry of press reports how Pulak Chatterjee is in command , how things have started moving in the government, how all Economic Ministries are now reporting to Chatterjee. But no PR activity for the PM so far. Is Pachauri PRO for Chatterjee or the PM ?…. PM shortchanged again by 10 Janpath ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    Pulok Chatterjee is Sonia’s plant in the PMO.
    Engrich, who worships the very ground Sonia sleeps on, is silent on this brahmin being thrust on a sardar PM, which is clearly, brahmnst, zionst fascist conspiracy.

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    engrich Reply:

    sonia tum logn ko theek kar sakti hai.ur minds are hermetically sealed.tum sudharne wale nahin ho,

    roz do char deshbhakt croron ke saath pakde jatein hai.

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  • engrich

    ravi bhai ,shenoyv and aaloke,

    The Durban dip can cleanse a billion sins

    ChandraBhan Prasad

    The Ganges is a monumental aqua-guard which has been cleansing Varna souls ever since the advent of their civilisation. A few Varna apologists describe the senseless Ganga dip as an act of “self-criticism”, where devotees officially confirm they have committed a sin. Those who do not participate in this bizarre event each year, compensate for it by joining the Maha Kumbh madness. In that sense, every Varna individual is a communist, known for his ritual practice of “self-criticism”.

    Questions have often been asked of us. For instance: “Tell me Mr Prasad, how do you propose to eradicate caste divisions?” Upon saying, “Read Ambedkar,” they insist, “No, please don’t be evasive. Tell me now.” Then we say, “Gandhiji had a historic opportunity. Had he spoken in the voice Dr Ambedkar used, half of India’s problem would have been solved in his lifetime itself, and the rest by now. Or if EMS Namboodripad had decided to declare Charu Majumdar as being India’s Mao and worked under his leadership, India would have been a different story today.

    Or, if Vajpayeeiji spoke the way Kanshi Ram does or Soniaji spoke Mayawatiji’s mind, half of India’s social tension would have withered away by now. Or, if the Indian Parliament were to raid the National Campaign on Dalit Human Rights (NCDHR) Secretariat at Bharani Complex, Secundarabad, confiscate the documents there, own up to them and proceed to Durban telling the world that: “Yes, race and caste are not the same but the implications are similar. In fact, caste-based discriminations are more vicious than those which are race-based. And that India as a nation has decided to eradicate all caste-based discrimination and that we need cooperation and support from the rest of the world.” India would then indeed be marching towards a new direction, one which the Dalits have aspired to for ages. But is India prepared to listen to what Dalit heroes have been arguing for? Is Indian society prepared to listen to Dalit icons like Matin Macwan or Paul Divakar?

    August 3, 2001, will be thought of as a landmark. The Mumbai-based Sabrang had organised a seminar to solicit public opinion in favour of the Durban conference.

    The organisation is headed by Teesta Setalvad and Javed Anand, the only couple I have ever met who are great secularists and yet pro-Dalit. The second such combination I can remember comes in the form of Delhi’s Nivedita Menon and Aditya Nigam.

    This particular seminar had a galaxy of participants: Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar, Sitaram Yechuri, Rajdeep Sardesai, Prafulla Bidwai, Rahul Deo, Swami Agnivesh, Martin Macwan, Ramalakshmi, Aditya Nigam, Amit Sengupta, Fr Henry D’Souza, PL Mimroth, Fali S Nariman and others. Although most of them had assembled for secular considerations – to bash the BJP, as if Deve Gowda or Gujral-led third front governments would have supported NCDHR’s move – CPI(M)’s Sitaram Yechuri stunned Dalit participants. He first entertained the audience by telling them about the one similarity between himself and Bangaru Laxman: both had betrayed their communities. The audience, however, was unable to figure out how Yechuriji had betrayed the Brahmins as he has never held them responsible for creating the Chaturvarna order and has lost nothing in life. What better stature in life had he thought of than what he enjoys today? On the other hand, in what way did Bangaru betray his community? He was born Dalit and stayed one even after entering the Dwijas’ BJP. He became its president, ultimately falling victim to the Varna media. Had he joined the CPI(M), he would have, like most CPI(M) Dalit MPs, remained faceless all his life!

    But the mood changed when Yechuri informed the gathering that the CPI(M) had decided to endorse the NCDHR’s Durban move. Every right-thinking Dalit must be grateful to the CPI(M) as, barring the BSP, it is the second national party which has taken a favourable stand.

    The CPM’s stand is important for other reasons as well. In Delhi’s cultural/intellectual circles, which includes a few Dalits, word has got around that a Church-based conspiracy is out to malign India, that foreign money was flowing about like the Orissa cyclone.

    We all know that science, technology, democracy and modern systems of governance have come from the Christian world of Europe and America. Then, why this Christian bashing? India, right from Nehru’s days, has been holding out its begging bowl to foreign countries. But the money brought into the country in the name of development, never reaches the Dalits. Thus, if any money is coming in from abroad to help the Dalit cause, it must be welcomed. Will TATA or Reliance ever give up even one paisa to fight the Varna/Caste order? Then, how will Dalits travel abroad to expose India’s Varna order? Is Indian capital benevolent towards the Dalits? By one single act, the CPI(M) has cleansed itself of many sins. Are other Varna parties, too, prepared to take a dip in Durban?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    cut and paste, cut and paste
    engrich wallows in shit and waste

    Sitaram Yechuri is pro-dalit
    Pankaj Pachauri is singing raag lalit

    Teesta Setalvad is a great secularist
    and Advani is pseudo secularist

    Neo-Ambedkarites fight for a lost cause
    they love the TV, and they talk without a pause.

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    engrich Reply:

    engrich wallows in shit and waste
    good poem in in shit and waste

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Chandrabhan Prasad is over the TOP dalit thinker talking nonsense 90% of the time.
    His idea of installing ‘English Devi’ in every village is laughable to say the least.

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    engrich Reply:

    for dalits good command on english and mas conversion is the only way left for liberation.

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  • Mahesh_Mumbaikar

    Gopi (and others discussing Iran topic in prev. blog),
    Interesting link on IRAN highlighting the role of challlenges faced by dollar as exchange currency playing out in Iran .
    http://www.countercurrents.org/malone100112.htm
    A similar thought being echoed by a hedge fund manager :
    http://in.finance.yahoo.com/news/financial-war-against-iran-173601481.html
    P.S.: Somewhere in this blog your comment alluded to Keynesian measures to stave off the impending depression. This may be a tad too simplistic as the party of “indefinite deficit financing” may be nearing its end for U.S. as other countries appear to be getting more and more un-easy about the whole asymmetry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @mahesh Have you wondered despite all the arguments in the link you provided DOLLAR CONTINUES TO SURGE , so much so Rupee has been knocked to the floor. This business of printing dollars (they have done with pound and yen as well) called quantitive easing looks like a CON TRICK to me. What they are describing is BARTER TRADE , which is not a very efficient way of doing business.The Yen Rupee swap was in direct response to rupee getting floored vis a vis dollar. At the end of day IT IS THE POWER STRUCTURE OF THE WORLD THAT DETERMINES these arrangements.
    MAJORITY OF CHINA’S TRILLION DOLLAR RESERVE IS IN DOLLAR.
    Volatility of currency can cause haywire in trade. Like when soviet union collapsed ROUBLE was on a TAIL SPIN , India needed to pay 10% of its due if it decided to pay back in ROUBLE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mahesh
    EU has decided not to import Iranian oil, they have frozen the assets, and prohbited trading in golddiamond and other precious metals with Iranian central abnk..
    Looks like the blocking ofI Iranian access to the world financial system is working. So also the undermining of its oil industry.

    While I am against all these measures, I hope it succeeds so a war is averted.

    It simply is amazing how much of a clout Israel has with US. US would not have gone for all these but for Israel!

    My gut is that China and India will continue to import Iranian oil – China gets 20% of Iranian oil; India 16%. Actually the western imports is only about 25%

    Eventually it will not just be Iran suffering from these sanctions; the european recovery will be delayed, so also the US recovery –all to please Israel!.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Sanctions on any country not only a affects that country but also has a drastic effect
    on other countries also . This depreciation of Iranian Rial has effected business here
    in Dubai. Many traders in Dubai rely on business with Iran. Not only trade with Iran has come to complete halt, they have stopped making old payments also. If this problem is
    not solved soon, Dubai might witness small financial crises.

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    engrich Reply:

    better go back india.its future is more stable/secure than dubai or
    middle east.

    engrich Reply:

    iran has stopped supplying oil to west.oil price will jump to 120-140 dollars effecting whole world.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dear Bloggers;
    Younger people of yester years in particular. So 30 January has gone unremembered. Though countless people, even here, swear by his name or name sake. However, my memory was refreshened by many songs I heard on local desi radio. de di hamain azadi bina….

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  • engrich

    GOOD NEWS ,

    A group of German MPs justified the denial of visa to Modi. They advocated a ban on his visiting Europe. This parliamentary delegation was on a two day visit to the city of Ahmedabad to study the state of minorities in Gujarat. It concluded that the European Union (EU) decision not to grant visa to him was justified. They went to the extent of banning his trip to Europe in near future. They pointed out that “the Chief Minister of Gujarat has a radical tone to his politics and is described as dictatorial. He has a wrong perception of religious freedom.” This four member team has been closely following developments in the Gujarat riot cases

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cut and paste from “countercurrents dot org” from a garbage posted on ——————– hold your breath 17th April 2010.

    Brilliant research work!!

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ishwar;
    This guy is omnipresent. I wonder about his resources. Blogging appear to be his full time Job and he can get obscure news(??)( for us Mortals) in a jiffy. Strongly believe that he has a support network amd/or spurious manufacturing company.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    This is all thanks to Jihadi and Dalit sites full of hatred for Hindus.
    Ravi has called Engrich post GEMS..rare GEMS.

    engrich Reply:

    for victims of of this killer,this will always be a good news.

    engrich Reply:

    for victims of of this killer,this will always be a good news.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engriq

    all the countries will ban the visa for you, in case they see your outpourings on this blog… !! If not for fundamantalism…. at least for voluminous garbage

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    engrich Reply:

    next time dont awnser.i dont want to hear from u any more.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    In a lighter vein, Shila dixit has also praised Government of Gujrat, after Gujrat Congress. In the past also many accolades have come to his way. Do not remember any other Chief minister gathering such quantity/ quality of praise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That leaves Ravi and team who should follow Sheila’s example.. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Let the Congress tie themselves in knots. It is their problem, not mine. I have my own views on Modi, which I have articulated on this blog several times earlier.

    Quantity/quality of praise! Yes, that is what he gets, even from the BJP honchos in Delhi and yet he has been pinned down in Gujarat since 2001 (in politics, 11 years is a long time to be struck in one place). Normally, upward movement (towards Delhi) should have been in somewhat direct proportion to the quantity/quality of praise heaped upon him. Why hasn’t that happened? Perhaps for reasons too well known to be repeated again.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are trying to “impress” on this congressi troll the quality and quantity of the praise Modi has collected during his stint as CM of Gujrat.

    Instead of accepting the reality, he says Modi has been “unable” to get out of Gujrat.

    Please note that Rajaji after a life time in national politics, was sent to Madras state to take over the CM’s post.

    Karunanidhi/Jayalalithaaaa have spent their entire life in the state politics.

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  • Anonymous

    Back from a week’s trip to my house, deep inside UP…

    Well it is poll time there and it is raining promises. Laptops from Mulayam, even though he was against computerisation once. And even a no goonda raj… quite a U Turn.

    Congress has given its 4.5% reservation card. I must say a lot of Muslims could swing to the Congress, even though others are promising 10-15% quotas. My own opposition to religious quota was shaken up when I saw many of my co-religionists loving the idea. BJP promises to reverse this, so it may not get the Muslim vote (not surprising !) but may be able to consolidate other OBC’s who will ditch Mulayam this time.

    Maywati is know as hte empress of corruption and may just vacate the kursi and possibly face enquiry unless she joins some coalition.

    My final view… UP will remain divided as ever. A slow mover always divided on caste and religious lines by politicians who k now loot and not governanace.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez-
    You are right about UP. It will remain backward.
    The only way out for that state is to divide that into smaller states. UP has a population that is more than half of US population!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,
    I was watching Prabhu Chawla talking to Arshad Madni. Arshad Madni accepted that muslim votes are BIKAU (are sold). This has been the problem with muslims. All they want are Personal laws, mosques, religious rights, Madrasa, AMU. Reservation is newly added to this list.
    All political parties treat muslim as people with no character and who can be easily bribed by throwing some sops.
    Sachar or no Sachar, muslim will remain in dire poverty till they learn to separate religion with politics. They need to use their vote to better their lives not getting stuck in hellhole where they have been for 64 years.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is a ‘ gem ‘ which Engrich can never post.

    What is mangalsutra ?
    It is device to enjoy kamasutra without condom.

    What is condom ?
    It is a device to enjoy kamasutra without mangalsutra.

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    engrich Reply:

    kamasutra is the only gift which hindu india has given to world.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Irrepressible mohan of vintage.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Vinay,

    You spent so much time in articulating reply to our dear ENGRICH. Unfortunately it was not his saying. Let me post below his ‘Cut’ job which is from” Ambedkar Action Alert”, I have posted preceding and Succeeding portions also from this great reference site , (This man has serious psychiatric issues) :

    ADVANI HATED BY BRAHMINS

    Why the upper castes of Kerala, who are not even 5% of the population, hate Achutanandan when he is loved by the people?

    The upper castes were so furious that they did not mind defeating their own party. They wanted to get rid of Achutanandan because they think he is against them.

    Have you heard such a thing?

    In the latest parliament election, the BJP got defeated because the upper castes vote swung from BJP to Congress.

    Why? Because Advani is not a Brahmin. But he is a man of character, honest, incorruptible.

    Upper caste rulers are not interested in all these things. Their only interest is their caste.

    Because from the Brahminical point of view Manmohan Singh is very good. Because he is proved to be a great supporter of the rich who are mainly upper castes.
    IN SEARCH OF BOMB

    Sikhs don’t like him nor do the Muslims and Dalits. That is why the 15% upper castes love him.

    Because he was ready even for the defeat of his govt. in his desperate search for what is described as “peaceful nuclear deal” — in other words bomb.

    Manmohan Singh wanted to give bomb to the upper castes to fight Pakistan and China.

    Upper castes are India’s only people who can clearly identify their enemy and friend.

    This ruling class has declared Dr. Ambedkar thoughts are dangerous to their caste interests. Simple.

    When this is the reality, how can India “re-discover” Dr. Ambedkar?

    Who represents India? Not the Dalits. Not the Muslims. Not Christians. Not Sikhs. Not BCs. But only the micro-minority “Hindus” representing just 15% of the population.

    There may be some good, honest persons among the upper castes. But such of them collaborate in the crime of their jatwalas by their silence.
    MERIT — MY FOOT

    The Brahminical people quickly counter this argument by pointing out “merit”.

    I have written a book itself on the subject in which this question is answered.

    The Supreme Court itself has quoted my whole book in a historic judgement and fully endorsed my thesis: Merit — My Foot.

    Has anybody visited the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore? I go there sometimes.

    This is said to be country’s “most prestigious and internationally known research institution”. Fine.

    I asked them to give me just one instance of their research accepted as per international standards. The authorities started evading the question.
    RESEARCH IN INDIAN INST. OF SCIENCES

    But as a journalist I can speak with authority. IISc has not a single research to its credit that will help improve the living standards of the people. I said this once at a public meeting inside the IISc itself, presided by its then director.

    No Indian scientist has received any Nobel Prize after “independence”. Those “Indians” who got such prize are not Indian citizens.

    In the light of these, where is the chance for India “re-discovering” Dr. Ambedkar? Hate cannot build a society. It can only break the society.
    CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS PREFER HINDUS

    Christians, who did so much to educate India, serve India, are hated and killed. Muslims are killed daily, impoverished and pushed to urban slums. Dalits and Tribals have become beggars.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    yes, he is crazy..
    As for Achuthanandan, he is liked a lot in Kerala. His party would have won 1) if there was no internal strife in CPM and 2) If Muslim fertility was not 4 times the fertility of other groups (giving Malappuram four more assembly seats that went to Congress led UDF). Even with the solid Muslim support/Muslim league alliance, UDF won only by two seats majority. It is quite possible that Oomen Chandy govt will fall within the next 12 months.

    The Brahmins in kerala may be less than 1% of its population, generally poor, without any political clout. This Ambedkar sh– and people like Ginrich should be ashamed

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi problem with u people is that u think hindu rrevivalism is rennaince.
    u people are taking india backward.33 crore detaon ke bojh se bharat daba ja raha hai.polluting our water resources and destroying our ecology.

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    engrich Reply:

    gopi i asked u a question,when there is no ram temple in hwhole of north india why u started rm mandir movement.complete 9 years india was standstill.n development no bussines.brhmns are sitting on top of pyramid.ruling everybody.

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    engrich Reply:

    If Muslim fertility was not 4 times the fertility of other groups

    fertility is acoording to economic status not religion.poors have more children.it is lie propagated sangh parivar.

    bullshit

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    engrich Reply:

    anything wrong everything written is totally correct,today again 2 brhmns are caught steeling the wealthof nation.kitna looto gey.then u say stupidity about taimur.he killed more muslims in his life than any other race.

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    engrich Reply:

    mainly he asked the name of one scientists who has made any innovative invention.aaloke u tell.from last 3000 yers u are hurting india.tell me name of one hopital built by ram,krishna or anyother ruler.janam kundali is the only science u h ave.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaloke can u stop this fraud of ganga snan.brhmns dont go to ganga as they are clean.cannot do any sin.why they sending others to spoil our water resources.these types of fauds were originated from central india.their progressive goverments ha s banned these evil habits,why u people are encouraging.my brhmn friends dont go to vaishnav devi,as they know snowy pns is erected through refrigeration cycle.nothing godly.but they encourage others to go making valley full of tatti.

    before writing about taimur,he was brutal no doubt,why u forgot that chola kings of south india commited far and far more brutalities on people of south east asia than muslim rulers of india.moreover they did nothing there except building temples.that is why whole population converted to budhhdism or islam.

    u people manupulate histoy.show urself as angle and others as demon.then i should say i am sorry.

    this is called intellectual gundaism.u.call ur spiritual fascism as non voilence.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaloke.
    Former army vice-chief booked in land scam case

    RAM RAM JAPNA PRAYA MAAL APNA.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whole of your pakistani army has been involved in all kinds of scam including land for past 64 years..Worry about that.

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    engrich Reply:

    they are worse.i agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Aaloke,

    It will not make any difference to me (original post or cut & paste). The questions raised in that post have been asked many times by various people. (Why no Indian scientist has received any Nobel after independence, why should one do research on a subject which does not improve living standards of the people). My post was an attempt in bringing clarity to that picture. Have no intention/illusion of bringing Ram to track (Is there any perfect one?) by my post. But I have learnt to accept him as whatever he is. If some people have problem with him, choose his way (abuse) to tackle him, I would accept them too. Who am I to endorse or criticize? My reply was towards one post which showed arrogance. But not towards any person. That person is unknown to me, so are other bloggers.

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  • Ravi

    Krishna Consciousness Carries the Commuter

    I don’t know if you experience this, but I find from time to time a song randomly comes into my head and lodges itself deep into my psyche. Then for days I would hear the song silently playing in my head, occasionally the original sound is supplanted by my own equally silent voice but the song stubbornly stays in a repeating loop.

    During this morning’s commute, even before the train had left the station, in my head I heard this bhajan. बनवारी रे जीने का सहारा तेरा नाम रे.

    Opposite my child-hood home lived a woman with her 4 children who used to call her चाई. She was a refugee like us and – as was quite common in the 50s and 60s – she struggled to bring up her family. As a respite from the daily rigours of Delhi life, she would sing this bhajan. Giving extra emphasis to , मुझे दुनिया वालों से क्या काम रे.

    On third hearing of the song, my mind started to pay particular attention to its lyrics, and before long a tear of admiration effortlessly flowed down my cheeks, as economy of words, finesse of phrase, and sensitivities of sentiments overwhelmed my rational faculties and my mind started riding the amplitudes of the roller coaster of my childhood memories.

    This bhajan is quintessentially Indian, composed by Jaikishan, written by Hasrat Jaipury and sung by Lata Mangeshkar, it is a part of the sound-track of my childhood. In order to avoid offence I would not compare it with Meera’s bhajans, but it brought devotion to Krishna straight into my home, my गली, no longer a walk to Ajmal Khan Park was needed to hear the lilting sounds of Ramayana being read aloud. Bhakti had come home.

    This thought is for Lord Krishna whose love is universal; it is for चाई whose visage decorates some nearly forgotten memories of my childhood, above all it is for Hasrat Jaipuri who captures the core teachings of Hinduism झूठा सांस का आना जाना झूठी है ये काया, ओ यहाँ साँचा तेरा नाम रे
    बनवारी रे

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice attempt…SIKH BHAI…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi , Try this one out , it is a Rabindra sangeet , this is the translation
    Let me touch the flower of thy feet ,Dont take it away I will embrace them with the veils of life and death The load of stale wishes and anticipation I carry the burden to and fro Make thy garland by thyself Do not scatter me away Full bloomed wish and pain Save their death by slaying them Let the last victory rest with that victorious one Let him lose to thy generous self
    Listen to the song sung by Hemant Kumar
    ► 3:58► 3:58

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2inr_tZiq-8

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Thanks very much. I will do.

    BTW check out the South Bank Programme Alchemy. I am sure you would like some of the line-up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Many Thanks , It is few months away , though would be a good idea to buy the ticket now , there is a film starring MY MOST FAVOURITE ACTOR , Om Puri to be screened, based on King Lear

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks. Here is great song..Ravi wouldn’t understand Robindta Sangeet..but this one is for him

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezb1n2IsIgI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @RajeevS, Holy Maccaroni , LISTEN TO THIS
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmDJQEzrR5M
    who has lifted the tune, However words were sublime , I AM A QUAWALI FANATIC

    Anonymous Reply:

    Islam lifted religious part from Christianity, Judaism and arabic tribal religion. Islamic culture is lifted from pre-islam persia..Just trying to say Naat has been lifted from original.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    As you must be aware, the song/bhajan is from 1960 film Ek Phool Char Kante – starring Waheeda Rehman and Sunil Dutt.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPoE7RdF8GU&feature=related

    Composers: Shankar Jaikishan.

    Minor correction – the song was written by Shailendra.

    Every song from the film is a memorable.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is the talent-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na_0V_yEHGA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks , NO WONDER IT IS CALLED THE OPIUM FOR THE MASSES, HOWEVER THIS IS WHAT SOMEONE COMMENTED
    No, it’s not a reality show, just like islam is not a religion. It’s a cult of evil. Millions of decent people are deceived to think differently. Should be called “who wants to lead a cult?”. Nice of the vatican to hook them up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice attempt at white washing a darkly sinister soul.

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    engrich Reply:

    bhoot parete ki kahaniyeon ke compilation ko hinduism kahte hain.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right you are one of the bhoot.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Religion is the opium for the masses and
    Spirituality is the tranquilizer for the classes.

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    engrich Reply:

    pure bullshit.things are other way around.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Parvez, welcome back desperate for news of Moradabad. Are the Mishra clan’s 8 houses still standing on the corner of Station road and Hallet road opposite Kapoor company ka chauraha?
    tHAT BLOODY AZHARUDDIN, IS HE EVER AROUND?
    Recently discovered my family tree goes back to my great grand father who started life in nearby Afzalgarh as a rich micro-mini Raja. The jaagir had disappeared in the next generation and 3 generations have now worked for the sarkaar in some form or another, either in India or here in UK

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  • Anonymous

    Parvez-
    The Poorvanchal, Kanpur, Gazipur areas of UP used to have a fairly strong communist presence at one time. Communist party got upto 30 plus seats in some of the elections in 1960s-1970s.
    Dynamic leaders like Sirju Pandey and Jharkhand Roy built the party there.

    However, the whole area now is represented by caste/religion politics, and there is no trace of communists there any more. The last Marxist MP from there was Subhashini Ali, daughter of Capt Lakshmi Menon (from my part of the country), the INA leader/fighter. She represented Kanpur in the early 1990s if my memory serves me right.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Subhasini Ali was responsible for turning Kanpur into Industrial graveyard. Her was the time when JK group started closing Mills and moved to Kota.

    I was in Kanpur during that time..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev
    You are right about their destructive economic policies.
    What I wanted to communicate was how caste/religion based parties have replaced/grown eliminating the leftists and others

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    engrich Reply:

    she was fighting for the just rights of workers.bania is loyal only to capital.there were many other reasons.now jjk is almost finished.running in loss.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ali and her soulmates managed to drive one industry out of one town , the PLAGUE in west bengal manged to close down 70,000 industry in west bengal , dragged it from 2nd spot in industry to probably 10th

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    engrich Reply:

    subhashini was also daughter of capt sehgal of azad hind fauj.very atrtactive and intelligent lady.

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  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    @Vinay1, YOU DONT NEED NOBEL PRIZE WINNING WORK TO LIFT THE MASSES OUT OF POVERTY.Just Common sense AND HONEST WORK AND ELBOW GREASE will do. A REVOLUTION in agriculture can be ushered by coalescing all adjacent holdings to a econonomy of scale plot say 60 acres.This is a co-operative , all the land owners are shareholder.They apply for share marketlisting by combining several co-operatives undr one umbrella., employ a FARM MANAGER , and AGRO SCIENTIST , and RENT OUT HEAVY FARM EQUIPMENT , BUILD GRAIN SILOS . INDIA WILL BE CHANGED FOREVER. Same applies to FISH FARMING and POULTRY AND DAIRY FARMING.
    All the technology is FREELY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNATIONAL MARKET ,
    BUT WHO WILL BELL THE CAT

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    your arguments have weight. The human greed/ need to own everything is problem. culture of cooperatives is anecessity now not an option.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shan,

    In my opinion also, above are the right methods. And it is not that people are not aware of them. But the point is , Why is it not happening ? Every likely ingredient for its happening is there, but what is missing?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan Sir,

    Are we forgetting the basic reasons for fragmentation of the land holding ?

    A major reason is that most families get divided after certain point of time. The division in the family leads to so much acrimony that brothers stop talking to each other. Cousins behave like war lords. Each one tries to outdo other.

    So normally people will not go for such idea unless you have a Anna or a Sanjay Gandhi forcing the ideas top down. Forcefully.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan/Prabhat,

    What Shan says, SHOULD be happening.
    What Praphat says, IS happening.

    Can SHOULD overcome IS ? I hope so.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are reasons galore, which most of us are aware of.

    1) Agriculture land cannot be sold to a non-agricultural person/family. A good law, but may have its disadvantages in consolidating land holdings to make them economically viable.

    2) The small farmers, with small holdings (getting fragmented further from one generation to another as Prahlad has already pointed out), are indebted to the money-lenders (sharks) with the land as a collateral and are entrapped for generations.

    3) Once (2) above is addressed, co-operatives are the answer. Co-operatives not only among villagers, but across villages/gram sabhas.

    For this you need a people like Popatrao Baguji Pawar, a post graduate in commerce, who came back to his village – Hirawe Bazar, the village situated in the Ahmednagar district of Maharashtra to make life better for his fellow villagers.

    The village has the highest GDP in the country..

    http://hiware-bazar.epanchayat.in/the-visionary

    http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Hivre+bazar+images&num=50&hl=en&sa=X&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=ps8oT7SyN8OqrAe21dnMAQ&ved=0CCUQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=634

    For example, due to his and fellow villagers’ efforts (watershed development programme), the ground water level brought was up to 20/25 feet from 70/80 feet.

    The country needs 1000s of visionaries like Popatrao Pawar and Rajinder Singh (the waterman) with pro-active governments – decentralised to the lower levels (as articulated in another thread).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Good articles.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    I dont and did not see any communists in the UP poll landscape. Anyway I am ll of 24 yers old and dont know too much of the left strength here. However in my knowledge, when Prakash karat was trying to topple UPA 1, he had approached behenji for support. In her typical style behenji has asked for the PM’s seat in case he wanted her support

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez

    Leftists do not have any pockets there any more. What I was alluding to was that at one time leftists had strength in certain pockets with good leaders . However, all that has been consumed by the new caste/religious politics.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Mishra

    I know Kapoor chauraha however never met Azhar. When I do meet him I am obviously going to ask… did you or did you not fix the matches?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    You have a doubt ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    I had not doubts left. Sad because Azhar had already made moey thru cricket, he was the captain and a great batsman. Why did he throw this for more cash and that too by selling his team?

    The congress has chosen a wrong person as its mascot and MP.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shoeb

    There is a strong case for reorganising and dividing UP. Right now the lefft hand does not knwo what the right is doing. However the worst part is self praise based on public money. Behenji is really an elephant who has done the despotic things I saw in Libya and Iraq, buidling statues on mone of the public.

    I would pull my sister’s ears if she did this!

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  • Anonymous

    @ Rajiv

    You are right that Muslims are fighting for “Muslim” issues like mosques, personal laws and reservations. However I would also blame the politicians of this country who want us separated from the mainstream by trying to project a monopolisitc right over us. Further, the low level politics of this country has been of “sale and purchase” of votes.

    I dont know what community you belong to. But in case a politician wanted your vote he can easily scare you that your religion or sub-sect is in danger and I can be your saviour. Unfortunately Muslims have let their agenda be hijacked based on their religious needs and not their economic and national needs.

    Frankly after seeing the way the wind is blowing, I only see a deepening of religious and caste lines in UP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parvez,

    We allow politicians to scare us. If we call their bluff they will change their
    track.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Politicians are a strange lot. You cannot call their bluff by voting them out.

    You have seen that states which have voted out the congress governments are given raw deals by the centre.

    They are so thick-skinned and crude, they utterly lack finesse and humility.

    The army chief was handled like he is an indisciplined upper division clerk.

    ISRO scientists were treated worse than criminals. Narayanaswamy, the minister had the temerity to tell the scientific community, “we will teach you a lesson (which you will not forget for long)”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I was trying to tell Pervez that any politician seeking votes
    in the name of caste/religion should be completely ignored.
    If this happens in few elections, than these politicians will have
    no choice but to change their tracks and hopefully will start
    working towards education and development of their constituency.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well said. We must be the only country, where elections are fought on sectarian divides.

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  • Anonymous

    “kamasutra is the only gift which hindu india has given to world.” —–engrich.

    This is engrich’s left-handed compliment to Hindu India.

    Looks like he was born out of Kamasutra without mangal sutra.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ouchhhhhhhhhhh that must have hurt our engrich, brilliant shenoy sir

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    engrich Reply:

    when i was young i was man of very bad character,may u are also my son son.so iwll not awnser.shenoyv is not anintellegint person like vijay.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    your lack of character would have got u close to Sita Ram kesri

    Anonymous Reply:

    so close that they shared the same bed!

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    engrich Reply:

    if i will awnser u will run away.

    engrich Reply:

    i never said i was close to him there was lot of age difference.president of bihar ongress was my relative so he he allowed me stay in his villa.

    engrich Reply:

    a dirty joke will change the truth.i never saw u writing anything ntelligent.except labbeling and abusing others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Applause.

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  • Anonymous

    manohar, very nice articles on the water table and pPopat Pawar. But really too many people in India now sharing fixed resources, to abolish poverty we need population control in the countryside and amongst the poor. In our factory, most workers had average 6-7 children in the 70s according to abbu.
    Today it is 3-4, still too many i think.

    VIJAY, where are you mate. I forgot to say heard you are from St Columbas school, my commiserations dude, we all know what a **** school that was hahahahaha. just wondering maybe you should apply to Mulayam for AARAKSHAN- new category for columbites lolllllzzzz!!!!!

    hey Dr Pankaj and mishra, give CPR TO vijay, he is tirning blue in the face, hahahahaha only kidding dude

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yaa where is Viju???????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    Dont worry sir I am still alive. Just had to make two rounds deep inside greater Noida and gurgaon for a site visit ! Thx for remembering me…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rizwan

    Thanks mate for the compliment!! We always thought dipsites were too much into rote learning to appreciate the finer points of life… like true intellectual glow Columbans have.

    As for AARAKSHAN., in case Mulayam Uncle can get me an Aarakshan for a date with…. Bipasha Basu, I am all game… as I believe he knows her “well’ thru his connections with Amar SIngh Dahla….

    And as far as population control goes, rural India has few sources of entertainment, other than u know what!

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    sanjay ku Reply:

    OHH !! I am a modernite and we beat both the dipsites and the colum-bums by miles…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rizwan

    You have point there. All indications are that population increase has slowed down. With pressure on housing, people migrating in search of livelihood and higher literacy rates, the family size is getting smaller, we will know the trends when the 2011 Census report is made public, it is on hold on account of the on-going elections.

    Only if we could empower the villages/villagers a la Popatrao Pawar and others, the scourge of reservations will be thing of the past, as most of the poor live in hamlets and villages across the country. I would think that people from villages like Hirawe Bazaar do not go looking for sops and reservations.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru, men who saved India

    Amulya Ganguli

    http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment_mahatma-gandhi-and-jawaharlal-nehru-men-who-saved-india_1644485

    Excerpt

    In a recent article, Pervez Hoodbhoy, a Lahore University professor, wrote: “It is time to reflect on what makes so many Pakistanis disposed towards celebrating murder, lawlessness and intolerance … to understand the kind of psychological conditioning that has turned us into nasty brutes”. A one-line answer is that Pakistan did not have Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru at the time of its “moth-eaten” formation, to quote Jinnah. From this response follows the corollary — that the absence of Gandhi and Nehru would have turned Indians, too, into “nasty brutes” and their country would have resembled Pakistan in its dysfunctional state. The satisfaction which Indians draw today from the country’s stable, multi-cultural democracy would not have been a feature of the polity at all because, without Gandhi’s and Nehru’s sane presence in 1947, Indians would have been constantly at each other’s throats on the grounds of religion, caste, language and any other conceivable divisive factor.

    ——–

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    No doubt we had towering “founding fathers” – Mahathmaji, Nehru, Patil, Chakravarthi RajaGopalachari, Babu Rajendra Prasad, Kriplaini, Sarojini Naidu, Chawan, Kamraj, Pant etc.
    Westerners had written India off – that we will disintegrate and go to the old small kingdoms or states..
    Let us remember and give our respect and thanks to Mahathmaji on this death anniversary.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    You will recall, we have discussed in the previous blogs the fact that today Pakistan needs a Mahatma Gandhi or a Nelson Mandela to come out of the quagmire it has fallen into.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Desperation, quagmire itself does not produce one to lead to a promised land.
    My sense, I hope I am wrong, is that Zia Haq and the
    subsequent regimes have destroyed and depressed civil society so bad that a capable leader will not emerge for long.

    We can fault the British until the cow comes home; but they provided an environment where leaders (darn good leaders) could emerge – there would not have been a physical India if British was not here…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gpi

    You are right, the real rot was started by Zia Haq, no doubt, before that Pakistan (in spite of hate-India as the corner stone of its foreign policy and perhaps it seeing it as a raison d’etre) was more cilvilised place than what it is today.

    I hope you are wrong that a capable leader will not emerge. Extra-ordinary situation needs extra-ordinary leader(s) – proved time and again down the history. Wouldn’t it be great to have peaceful and a non-violent neighbour? If such a leader emerges, it will be a very long haul – no overnight quick-fix.

    My personal belief is that British rule in India had more positives than negatives. They unified the sub-continent (never mind even if for their own selfish ‘nefarious reasons’) and handed over to us without a shot being fired, when the time came to do so.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And, Gopi,

    do not forget that the British ruled India for 150 years without any strife, war, disintegration and destruction.

    In fact, they were able to unify India under the umbrella of the empire without using even the minimum force.

    It only shows that the people of India, whose soul is Hindu, revel in denial, negativism, disinterestedness, non-involvement and a spirit of live and let live.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Some may call this our strength and some
    will label it as our weakness of our belief in
    LIVE AND LET LIVE.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you Gopi.

    engrich Reply:

    Mahatma Gandhi or a Nelson Mandela

    let america leave pakistan will become another turkey of indonesia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Is USA in Pakistan?

    engrich Reply:

    yes due to afghan war.they are very much in pakistan, they have issued visas to hundred of thousands of american.only one night hussain haqani issued visas to 4000 americans.zoinist want to finish tribalism all over the world.because tribalism breeds religion,societies old cultures and traditions.attack on afghanistan and tribal of pakistan is part of this compaign.

    one of the major goal of 26/11 was to force pakistan to attack haqqani group apart from murder of karkare.

    engrich Reply:

    Mahatma Gandhi or a Nelson Mandela to come out of the quagmire

    south africa is itself in big quagmire and india u are seeing.

    what they want is mao or hajjaj bin yusuf or sheikh rashid.i will recommend sheikh rashid.

    engrich Reply:

    that is why we 134 in list of nations.49%of our ladies are enemic,we have largest pool of illetrates in the world.nehru and ghandhi elevated only his jatwallas.we are downward side.only few are filthy rich remaing are linning in the embassies of foriegn countries.

    bad condition of pakistan is due to their alliance with america and ziaulhaq decision to support jihad.now after being defeated they are on their out.it will take time for things to be calm.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    There is one section of India which wants us to go ahead– like izwan, Parvez, Gopi, Shenoy, etc etc

    While it is you, Enrich, and your chela, who pull India back towards divisions and hatrede and fundamatalism…

    engrich Reply:

    David Livingstone (41), author of Terrorism & Illuminati — a 3,000 year history (2007) — says the zionists claiming to be Jews are not ethnic Jews but have Khazar bloodlines. He embraced Islam in 1992. The “Jews of India” are also Khazars.

    first two are too young.gopi is jansnghi liar.jansnghis are revialist communal.shenoy is label master.he is also rss man like gopi.instead of awnsering he resortto abuse.

    engrich Reply:

    please ignore above.

    engrich Reply:

    There is one section of India which wants us to go ahead– like izwan, Parvez, Gopi, Shenoy, etc etc

    first two are too young.gopi is jansnghi liar.jansnghis are revialist communal.shenoy is label master.he is also rss man like gopi.instead of awnsering he resor t to abuse

    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich

    Now you are going off-track. I suggest that you read the article in detail and comment upon the topic concerned.

    I do not agree with your views on Gandhi, Nehru and Pakistan (you are entitled to hold them).

    PS: Your criticism of Gandhi and Nehru should endear you to many here. ;-)

    engrich Reply:

    THANKS MR MOHAN,

    what anti-establishment mr peer hood boy says is away from facts.mr giri lal jain ex-editor of times of india has written in his memoires thhat,jinnah was hindu disguising himself as muslim,as no sane person will exchange car with bicycle.all 5 states which were given to pakistan were liability states.india has not done well as compare to china in any field except few people have become filthy rich.hunger deaths dirty roads poor health conditions,close minds
    etc etc are example of this.the only credit which can be given to ghandhi and nehru is that they fought with hinu zionism.but they also crushed true rennaince which was coming from bengal.bose was better leader than both of them. hindu revivalism gave the boost to voilent forces in india which killed 4million innocents during partition.they were also responsible for early demise of socialist forces in india.state is not seprate with religion.that is how temples and ashrams have become money laudering centres.every shit is hidden under the carpet of anti-muslim and anti-pakistan feelings

    .David Livingstone (41), author of Terrorism & Illuminati — a 3,000 year history (2007) — says the zionists claiming to be Jews are not ethnic Jews but have Khazar bloodlines. He embraced Islam in 1992. The “Jews of India” are also Khazars.

    nehu and ghandhi DONO KEE KATHNI AUR KARNI ME FARQ THA.

    see in bengal from last 140 years same one vivekanand same tagore same durga.minds are closed are not receptive o changes.

    india is mentally static.we(mslmand hindu) compete each other in stupidities.goverment should fight with obocrutionism and backwrdness(mental).this is what i want to say.even tendulkar has to say pranam to sai baba(king of frauds).while imraan khan is fighting against corruption and trying to change society.this is difference.if indian donnot change they bad future ascompare to pakistan.
    mr mohan u will agree with that mental corruption is far more dangerous and hurting than financial corruption.

    every time saudia is quoted as example.why dont quote albania and tajikistan (95%muslim)only 2 declared atheist states in the world.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And of course Maulana Azad

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I tend to agree with you.

    This Amulya Ganguli is a distraught pseudo secular journo who nobody reads. Because he cannot even remotely connect Sonia Gandhi to India’s progress, peace, tranquility, and communal amity, he has to give the whole credit to Gandhi and Nehru alone.

    You are right in giving due credit to the other luminaries of the freedom struggle, only because of whose collective leadership India retained its five thousand year old soul and wisdom.

    It must be taken due note of the fact that immediately after independence was achieved, Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated, but there were no riots and India didn’t lose itself in turmoil and strife.

    India’s progress, stunted during the Nehru dynasty’s long grip on India’s polity, took a leap forward only in the early 90’s.

    Therefore, it is foolish to claim that if these two giants were not there, India would have become another lost continent.

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    sanjay ku Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    You are right on this. When the Nehru dynasty was supreme, every policy was framed for the sustenance of the dynasty. Real change happened when Narasimha Rao came to power.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LFRVIOI6U65P3PTWRT2JJIGHZY Mahesh

    I am facing severe problems in posting comments.
    Comments are just getting gobbled up with disqus authorisation. With Guest login – the comments take a moderator route which is another black-hole.
    Is it just me or anybody else facing issues as well ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    Log in thru disqus or facebook. Thru the moderater in the guest mode would make u mad as it takes about a day… to clear the bureaucracy!

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Thanks. Am facing problems with disqus too since last saturday / sunday. Comments just don’t appear with disqus logins.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Must be in the last blog wehre the comments had crossed 900 and disqus cannot handle it. In case you post in the comment– it is possible that disqus would report “syntax error” depending upon connection speed.

    Chances are the comment would have been posted. You can also copy your comment on the clipboard befor you post. It will free you from frustrations and give a chance to post again– in.case the system fails.

    Mahesh Reply:

    Will try playing a bit with disqus and figure out little later.
    For now, am using the yahoo route.
    Thanks again for the advice and help, though.

  • Anonymous

    What Golimarkar(to borrow from Ravi’s expression) wanted but couldn’t get Pakistan followed golimarkar’s path like a loyal chela, this is what golimarkar wanted
    “thereby ensuring that the minorities would have no more than second-class status and live “wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation [a saffron echo of the two-nation
    theory], claiming nothing, deserving no privileges … not even citizen’s rights”, as Golwalkar of the RSS decreed”
    ACTUALLY TOO MUCH CREDIT IS BEING GIVEN TO GANDHI NEHRU
    The intellectual ferment that took place in HINDU society as a consequence of coming in contact with european civilization , in the 18th century , created people like RAJA RAM MOHAN ROY, TAGORE VIVEKANANDA, which laid the foundation for hindus discovering their PAST. FIRST TIME IN 2000YRS Indians felt they had a history THAT DO TIE THEM TOGETHER. As I mentioned before only when Mr Princep deciphered Bramhi script THEN ONLY INDIANS CAME TO KNOW ABOUT ASHOKA.
    Having EMBRACED EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY India couldn’t become PORKISTAN who could not come out of the TRANCE created by RELIGION THAT IS ISLAM. Also Pakistan was a RURAL AGARIAN ECONOMY SO WAS BANGLADESH , thus all the BACKWARDNESS, TRIBALISM ETC. India was fairly COSMOPOLITAN at that time. Remember ZULFI BHUTTO came to study in Bombay.
    Remember Nehru said “i will be the first british pm of india”
    Gandhi said”Western civilization is a good thing”
    SIR SIKANDAR HAYAT KHAN realised this , he said JINNAH IF HE HAS HIS WAY , HE WILL TURN PAKISTAN INTO A JINNASTAN

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    engrich Reply:

    shan,
    except punjab remaining states of pakistan were most backward area of india.but they are doing good.once america leave their future is good.u can see their contribution in games.BAIL KI BADDUA SE KISAN MAR NAHIN JATA HAI.
    GHANDHI NEHRU WERE HYPED BY ZOINIST MEDIA LIKE NELSON MANDELA AND NOTORIOUS DALAI LAMA.what india/pakistan need is chairman mao.what we got,semi-naked bania from gujrat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just to get gopi thomas look east ,
    INDIAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE CULTIVATION OF SCIENCE was founded by a HARD CORE RATIONALIST Dr Mahendra Lal Sircar circa1876.He told Vivekananda’s mentor Ramkrishna Paramhans , ALL YOUR SAMADHIS ARE NOTHING BUT HYSTERIA.
    SIR CV RAMAN worked in the above institution from 1908-1933, HE GOT HIS nobel prize in 1928.hE CAME TO CALCUTTA POSTED AS AN ACCOUNTS OFFICER IN THE AUDIT DEPT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Bengal was the centre of renaissance and awakenings.. No disagreement here

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shan,
    A curious little observation …..
    Notice something ? Both Shenoy and Engrich hint at Nehru’s role in post-freedom India being oerstated and overhyped.
    (Shenoy was responding to a thread started by Manohar…)
    The reason I bring up these two blog commentators is – IMHO they represent different ends of the political spectrum, nothing personal or not talking about them personally.
    You move a little more left or little more on the right of the political spectrum and Nehru starts losing appeal.
    Just an observation – nothing more nothing less.
    p.s.: Saw your comment on dollar appreciation…. several things here….. compared to Europe , and risky Emerging Markets – US is still a safe zone for investors. Secondly, it is the governments that are uneasy about the whole asymmetry while the speculators in currency markets are still betting on USD. Third, the Bond market is still OK with US deficits. Fourth, everything above doesn’t necessarily translate into maintaining of status quo. The reality can be far more chaotic.
    About chinese hoarding of USD – if it dumps too fast it in-turn loses some of the asset value plus the competitive edge for its exportes. If it keeps holding – there is a problem too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cannot agree more

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    during the last so many months, some of us have been opposing this jihadi engrich and his comrade-in-arms, fake Ravi, tooth and nail. Their theme song is anti-Hindu, anti-India rants. So if on one point of Amulya Ganguli’s claim about Nehru’s great power of holding India together, you might have found me and the jihadi on the side opposing Ganguly’s claim.

    But most of us have been observing and have also pointed out often that besides fake Ravi, you and the other congressi troll have been mostly supportive of engrich and his garbage. The troll has even been clapping at engrich’s outpourings of hate. I think you should know.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Are we not getting a little personal here ?
    If you notice my post I have mentioned the political beliefs.
    Now, where does my being a Congressi troll (if you so please me addressing self by this designation) figure in all this ?
    Also, somewhere in one of your own posts you alluded to being a rightist. A similar casting which, IMHO, is little to constricted not just for you or Engrich or Ravi or me or Manohar or Vinay or Vijay Kumar or anybody else here including Sharmaji. And yet we aspire or prefer inclining ourselves with certain ideologies. Let us not be apologetic about it.
    One last point – these were not personal comparisons . It was just a observation about relevance of Nehru’s contribution felt across different poltical beliefs. Nothing more , nothing less.
    My heart-felt and very very sincere apologies if you felt insulted.

    Ravi Reply:

    A little personal.

    Mahesh, when in your opinion will it become too much??

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    What else were you expecting?

    Unable to add anything worthwhile to any debate, all he does is abuse/label people, who he hates, who do not agree with him and who he imagines are on the other side of the fence, just to get over his ‘irrelevance’ and be ‘counted’.

    Now watch this space, even this post will be subject to attack, if not here, then in some other thread.

    engrich Reply:

    CIVILIZATION WHOLEHEARTEDLY India couldn’t become PORKISTAN who could not come out of the

    this is absolutely wrong . only privilaged class of british slaves agreed to continue their slavish mentality.same class was present among muslims.jinnah was far more advance than any bhadrlok,who only chnge their language and dress but from inside,carry same fascistic apartheid mentality.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Regarding your comments about Golwalkar. Do you think RSS is still
    practicing that idea ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No it is not , BUT IT CAN BE NEVER GOOD FOR INDIA , because it is essentially BRAMHINICAL HEGEMONY OR ORTHODOXY by back door. It is certainly ANTI MUSLIM AND ANTI SCIENCE as we know it.
    Also all its top heads are RATHER THICK.I remember listening to RAJJU BHAIYYA , who posed the question WHY INDIA NEEDS FOREIGN TRADE , IT HAS EVERYTHING

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Agree with you that it can never be good for India.

  • engrich

    for mr ravi and shan, UNHAPPY SOCCER PLAYERS OF ENGLAND..
    UK soccer player Duncan Ferguson introduces himself to Steffen Freund – Coming out of the Closet with Fuse: Meet Big Dunc e

    Duncan Ferguson, former team mate of UK footballer Gary Speed, was jailed in 1994 for assaulting a rival player on the pitch.

    Gary Speed was ‘found hanged after a row’

    More than 122 footballers are in jail, a charity has revealed s

    More than 120 former UK football stars are behind bars for:

    1. drug dealing

    2. assault

    3. car theft

    4. shoplifting

    In December 2011, former Manchester United player Ronnie Wallwork was jailed for 15 months for selling stolen car parts.

    In November 2011, former Leyton Orient player Elliot Omozusi, 22, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years for witness intimidation.

    In August 2011, former Southend player Tesfaye Bramble, brother of Sunderland player Titus, was jailed for four-and-a-half years for raping a teenage girl.

    In 2008, Joey Barton of football team QPR was jailed for assault.

    In 2008, former Plymouth goalkeeper Luke McCormick caused the deaths of Aaron Peak, 10, and brother Ben, 8, in an alcohol-fuelled road smash and was sentenced to seven years in jail.

    In 1990, Tony Adams was jailed for drink-driving while he was captain of Arsenal.

    GARY SPEED – MYSTERIOUS DEATH

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This has nothing to do with the topic under discussion. Please discuss with Ravi in ur house or thru mail.

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    engrich Reply:

    most of the dicussions here are out of topic.

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LFRVIOI6U65P3PTWRT2JJIGHZY Mahesh

    Gopi,
    Continuing on Iran situation …..
    The IRAN war might have less to with Oil , even lesser to do with Iran’s nuke capabilities and more with Iran challenging the status quo of USD as primary exchange currency.
    From this perspective , IMHO the war seems inevitable.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry cannot disagree more , IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL , AND NUKE AND IRAN’S HEGEMONY IN STRAIT OF HORMUZ CUTTING OFF SHIPPING LANES

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree with Shan.. It has everything to do with Israel

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Gopi and Shan,
    I disagree for following reasons :
    Given the experience and expenses it has incurred in Iraq, US policymakers would think many more times before getting into a full-blown military confrontation with Iran – least of all at the behest of Israel, the Jewish lobby notwithstanding.
    Secondly, Iran has just made threatening noises and not exactly blocked the Straits of hormutz. Actually, Iran has hardly moved beyond making any threatening noises.
    Plus – given that Russia and China have weighed in declaring a war on Iran a war on its interests escalates the cost of this military confrontation.
    So, what gives ?

    engrich Reply:

    mahesh u are very right.in syria is looking far more difficult for them than libya.iraq is still hot.in libya southern part is still green.resistence is going on.

    engrich Reply:

    they are threatening to cut hormuz because of sanctions.

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    engrich Reply:

    very right mr mahesh saddam and gadhdhafi lost their neck for the same reason.it is a war between good and bad.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Gaddafi invited ire for “similar” and not “same” reasons.
    Viewing this as a war between good and bad may be too simplistic. The problem with this simplistic approach is it immediately casts Obama into bad and Ahmadinejad into good . Not necessarily very clear-cut casting.
    One may not agree with US military confrontation , but that doesn’t necessarily make Ahmadinejad a good person.

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    engrich Reply:

    tmahesh this is continous between good and bad.some time bad will win sometime good will prevail.but till human being is on this earth war will continue.like war between serpent and mangoose.
    this is basically unending war betweer interest economy and non interest economic system.interest economy enslaves the humanity whiel liberate liberate it.

    communism and zoinizm,both are proxy of rothchild.

    Anonymous Reply:

    US policy to middle east is driven by “safety and security” of Israel (as pushed by the Israeli lobby like AIPAC) rather than any interest in oil.
    They are buddy buddy with Saudi Arabia, the worst offender of freedom and the number one terrorist regime in the world, the one that committed 9/11, because Israel is buddy buddy with Saudi Arabia.

    The Sunni/shia divide is so much that Saudi Arabia is on Israel’s side when it comes to Iran!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LFRVIOI6U65P3PTWRT2JJIGHZY Mahesh

    Prahlad,
    Somewhere in this blog you said :
    “Shan Sir,

    Are we forgetting the basic reasons for fragmentation of the land holding ?”

    IMHO, it not just the land fragmentation that is the root cause.
    The land ownership pattern in rural India itself is hopelessly skewed – with the balance heavily tilted against lower castes. Now add fragmentation to it . Further complicate the picture by increased cultivation costs, climate un-certainity , proper lack of access to crop insurance and financial instruments such as futures to make the agriculture un-sustainable on a small patch of land.
    As a result what we get is farmer suicides and migration to urban areas.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ CRISES in farming ~~ let us face it there are too MANY Indians ~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    I own a small farm along with my brother. Honestly these are the things we have discovered.

    a) it is impossible to earn more that Rs 40,000 per acre per year with wheat or regular crops.

    b) Mechanization does not make sense unless u have more than 10 acres.

    c) The water table is sinking with each year. It is 200 ft in Haryana. and 600 ft in Punjab. We use drip irrigation, but it requires constant monitoring.

    d) The prices of land have risen to 30-40 lakh per acre and most farmers are now thinking of selling to colonisers.

    e) At least 30% vegatables rot becasue of lack of cold staorages.

    The fact is in India we dont think of our overpopulation any more. The government too has ditched this problem. And while there is some slowdown in population growth we have still not got it down to zero growth. Planners now proudly say we are a young nation. But they are stupid not to realise that our water and land resources are fixed and we are in sight of prennial food shortages.

    I am not too enamoured by GM food, though ok with hybrids. Well the real issue would still remain cooperative farming for mechanization (with independent land owners) Otherwise I dont see it happening.

    The best way would be some forum where tractors, seed and agro tech were shared and so is storage space.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In shot we need to learn from ISREAL WHICH HAS HIGHER POPULATION DENSITY AND DESERT CONDITIONS and not so much from the US

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Israel is JEWISH, Jewish lobby in america ensures ISRAEL RECEIVES 5 BILLION PER YEAR IN US AID.
    Also Jewish people are the TORCH BEARER OF EUROPEAN SCIENCE, so when they were driven out of poland ,germany and rest of europe , THEIR BRAINS TRAVELLED WITH THEM

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Israel’s Population Density is 338.6 persons per sq. km.
    India’s Population Density is 361.8 persons per sq. km.
    Which one is higher ?
    Moreover, 8 p.c. of Israel’s population lives in rural areas whereas for India the figure is over 70 p.c.
    (While not linearly proportional this gives a rough idea of the relative percentages of people engaged in agriculture in both the countries).
    Most importantly, what do you view as a problem when you argue about following “Israel model” ? Food Sufficiency / Security or rural poverty ?

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    engrich Reply:

    our conditions are totally different.isreal is not an state it is an american outpost in middle east.the day importance of oil is finished most probably they will go back to their country of origin.as per reports next 50 years america will replace saudia as main source of energy(solar).they will leave middle east.existence of israel too will come in danger.

    engrich Reply:

    isreal cannot be our ideal.they are living on huge american aid.rich jews of america/europe are sending money to isreal.technoligically they are far more advance than india.making good money by selling their high tech radar system and advance drones.though their tank has failed.
    area is fraction of india.jewish immigrants are all well educated.segregration is the only big problem they have.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The ABC of Economics says prosperity of a nation depends on LAND AND PEOPLE RATIO. Mutandar Mook(dumb) Singh(MMS) despite being an economist is totally DEAF to the exhortations by fellow economist AMARTYA SEN , THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE 100% EDUCATION POPULATION WILL NOT GO DOWN. Every where every studies in the world have shown , THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO BRING DOWN POPULATION

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont think we can sustain a population of 1600 million by 2040 without perpetual food imports. Education for population stabilization could wewll be the only way outl.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    viju-
    UP added more than a Kerala – 33MM – to its population growth from 2001 to 2011!

    We have to view state by state – a hugely populous state like UP with its population growing 25% over the decade is not good.. (over the same period Kerala grew only 4.8%) ,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    All are valid points.
    However, the biggest issue is the rural poverty caused by the disproportionate labour expended on agriculture – 16.5% India’s GDP is agriculture; however, almost 40% India’s labour is agriculture – so, there has to be a coordinated program of moving agricultural labour into something else, say food processing, arts/crafts, other vocations.

    The distribution system has to be totally replaced. India can definitely use capital and knowhow from American companies – they produce agricultural products in California on one end and transport all the way to New York on the other end over a vast territory.

    Population growth declines when economy/education improves. It is evident from the population growth pattern in India – significantly lower population growth in the south vs the BIMARU belt.

    Multiple crops, irrigation etc play a big role too – We should be proud of our earlier Kings like RajaRaja Chola who constructed aquaducts/dams diverting Cauvery waters making three crops/year possible from the same land, making Tanjore region the rice bowl of India.

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  • Anonymous

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/Islamists-admit-London-Stock-Exchange-bomb-plot/Article1-805162.aspx

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    engrich Reply:

    international police have charged many muslims,many times on terrorism like indian police.could not prove a single case.all these news are for media consu[tion to keep anti-muslim atmosphere charged.
    lekin ab yeh kahani purani people are fed up.admission in police station carry no weight

    at present abhinav bharat is only proven terrorist.

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  • Anonymous

    Isreali population density is similar to India. The US is only I think about 40, UK is 300 . (got to be checked . I am in a car… too much hassle )

    Point is the US model of 10,000 acre farms with multiple machinery and corporations running them is difficult here bcos of multiple land holdings.

    The Isreali kibbutz model remodelled to suit Indian conditions can probably be replicated– by getting farmers to share machinery, water, seeds, drip irrigation etc.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Gopi

    The trick is to create rural employment in costruction of infrastrucre projects and then have enough education to get them into services and industry as workers…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    It makes sense. Rural employment/edu is a win win..(not the monkey business of free money Mayawati/Maulayam promising)

    Along with that focus should be there on yield improvement (irrigation, multi-crops, seeds, extensions…)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji/Vijay,

    A complete overhaul of the policies is required. Which party has the
    courage to do this. Any party will be vary of stopping this nonsense
    of free distribution of money because of losing elections. It is a
    catch 22 situation.
    Ugalte bhi nahin banta
    nigalte bhi nahin banta.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Parliamentary system, centralized party bosses deciding candidates etc are all bad.. I am more and more limiting the number of parties, and for a primary type system like USA

  • Anonymous

    Freedom of speech throttled again.

    http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=749857

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    It is really sad that outfits like All India Minority forum go after these silly things and not about family planning, womens health, high school education, etc for the minorities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Agree with you. Young people like Shoeb, Rizwan and Pervez from
    minority should step in. They are young, educated, energetic and from good family backgrounds They understand the situation clearly
    that politicians are only exploiting poor uneducated people
    for their benefit. Such people can make a huge difference if they help
    people to get educated in their areas.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Mohan..
    Rizwan, Shoeb, Pervez .. there used to be a Rehmat and Syed (whose wife also was n accomplished globetrotting professional ) on Zia’s blog, but the Egriches made them run away..
    I feel great about these boys plus Vijay, prahlad, Aaloke, Kurien etc..They will make sure Mother India prospers, prosperity is shared, and it becomes a beacon for mankind

    Anonymous Reply:

    Amen.

    engrich Reply:

    Egriches made them run away..

    i dont remember them i never interacted them.may be they left after knowing truth from me.

    engrich Reply:

    Vijay, prahlad, Aaloke, Kurien etc..They will make sure Mother India prospers

    few selected sons of india will prosper sure.

    engrich Reply:

    everything is depend on money ask blood sucking bnias and and dallals to pay workers with honesty.nobody vote or follow minority forum.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excerpt from the Indian Express.

    Nasrin was bundled out of Kolkata in 2007, as protests against a chapter in her book ‘Dwikhandito’ escalated into a riot-like situation. She has still not been able to return to the city, despite a new government, which as the Opposition in 2007, had strongly criticised the CPI(M) government’s decision to send her away.

    ———

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Typical politics of India. Shamelessly you do what you had opposed when you were in opposition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    TMC is not the only party to take about turns. There are others too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    All the parties are same in such matters.

    engrich Reply:

    why so much love for her when qazi nazzrul islam was neglected ignored and starved.he was living on 300 ruppees send by then east pakistan goverment.otherwise he would have died of starvation.is muslim hate is part of religion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is news to me. Anyone familiar with Nazzrul Islam will confirm it.

    Engrich – no offence meant, just cross checking.

    engrich Reply:

    shan will tell.he was living on pak rs 300 coming from ast pakistan.ultimately great son of burdwan migrated to east pakistan(bangladesh)

    Anonymous Reply:

    that was only to changehis underwear.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Total and utter bollocks , Nazrul was attended by the best doctors in calcutta , HE WAS SUFFERING FROM DEMENTIA, EVERY YEAR HIS BIRTHDAY USED TO BE CELEBRATED, suddenly after bangladesh was liberated , he was made national poet of bangladesh and he was taken over there.
    NAZRUL WROTE COUNTLESS BHAJANS ON MAA KALI , KNOWN AS SHYAMA(MEANING DARK) SANGEET.He named all his sons HINDU NAME , SABYASACHI(NAME OF ARJUN) AND ANIRUDDHA

    engrich Reply:

    all true but he was surviving on rupees 300 coming from pakistan.our goverment was not financially supporting him.he was great revolutionary poet.after rabinder.hardly anybody know him outside bengal.

    NAZRUL WROTE COUNTLESS BHAJANS ON MAA KALI , KNOWN AS SHYAMA(MEANING DARK) SANGEET.He named all his sons HINDU NAME , SABYASACHI(NAME OF ARJUN) AND ANIRUDDHA

    this is right.but he migrated because of financial difficulties.you know it well.check from bengal goverment if they were financially helping him.all important goverment properties are in name of poiticians or britishers.i never saw anything dedicated to him.mamta is doing something in this field.

    engrich Reply:

    she is neccesary evil for india.

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    engrich Reply:

    Freedom of speech throttled again.

    Freedom of abuing throttled again.

    5 times divorced tasleema is a pain.but queen of muslim baiter.did any moslem country ever sheltered any hindu baiter.this shows ur myopicness and hate for others.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    MF Husain was given citizenship by MUSLIM country qatar and also provided aid to paint hindu gods in nude.

    At least India is not providing aid to nasreen to write against Islam.

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    engrich Reply:

    hindu is not a religion their gods are shown naked in their temples painted naked by hindus.in hindu state no person with higher calibre can live.hindu india is gradually becoming asylum of lunatics.

  • Anonymous

    Re. Iran situation. What Mahesh said about Iran trading in non-dollar currencies
    is serious. This point is discussed over here frequently and US is not at all happy with
    this idea. Other countries are also using this non dollar trade which was originally
    floated and adopted by Iran. Issue of oil is also very important. What I hear in this
    part of the world that US has a long term plan of complete control over Middle East.
    Saudi, Kuwait, Iraq and now Libya are almost under their control. Iran is the next big hurdle. Will US attack Iran is a big question ? If Obama decides to attack than next
    elections are in his pocket. But will he do that ? Democrats are different from Republicans. IMO we may not see any attack on Iran till democrats are ruling in US.
    If Mitt Romney — he is the most likely candidate of Republic party — wins the elections
    in November, than next four years are going to be very crucial where Iran is concerned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    My gut feel is that US cannot get into another war. Iran is significantly different from Afghanistan/Iraq etc.

    However, the powerful Israeli lobby in US will pressurize Obama to attack. They have already started their rhetoric about how he is the worst president vis-a-vis Israel relation is concerned, how can he ask Israelis to stop settlements, how can he be tough with Netanyahu etc.

    Obama will not attack if the economy improves. He will attack if the economy deteriorates. He cannot afford the Jewish votes to go to Republicans in Florida

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    I hope there is no attack, but the situation is scary. We are very
    close to Iran. As I mentioned yesterday trade with Iran has almost
    come to a halt. Most of the banks have stopped accepting documents
    to/from Iran. Not a good situation at all.

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    engrich Reply:

    they are trading in cash.with russia and other countries in local currency.america is an evil empire.

    Anonymous Reply:

    My dear Engrich,

    Even trading in cash has almost stopped because of the huge depreciation in their
    currency. Only essential things are being bought by Iran at very high prices.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    On the economic front the figures coming out of US are encouraging.
    Unemployment has started declining and it seems that economy
    is improving.
    US and Israel will never allow Iran to produce nuclear bomb. In late
    seventies or early eighties Israel with the help of US and Saudi had attacked
    and destroyed nuclear plant in Iraq. Where Iran is concerned, Israel
    may not get directly involved but somehow they will try to
    destroy nuclear plant in Iran also.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Gopi,
    I guess where we (you me and Shan) differ is the extent to which the jewish lobby can exert its influence.
    Time will resolve this conflict.

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    engrich Reply:

    when it comes to israel democrat and republicans both are same.both are slave of zoinists and proxy of rothchild bankers.important thing what isreal wants.
    now isreal is in bad shape surrounded by enemies from all sides.huge amount of arms is smuggled in gaza from libya.syria is armes to teeth so hizbollah iranian missiles have reach upto isreal.who knows that have stolen nuclear weapon from crumbling soviet union.if iran is attacked israel will be attacked immediately.can israel take that much risk.everything depnds on this.
    yes american armies want to controls all oil and gas resources of middle east.that is why so much mayhem and anti-muslim propaganda.

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    Mahesh Reply:

    Mohan,
    It is not just about Iran. Indo-Japanese trade in recent past has seen agreements worth USD 15 Bn. gettting settled in non-USD currencies.
    Also notice the Gold accumulation by China, India and Russia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Yes, other countries have also started using non dollar currencies for their trade.
    Now China is the main force behind that. By the way where huge surplus of China is
    concerned, at the moment they have no choice but to buy US debt only. No other
    country can absorb so much money other than US – the biggest debtor in the world – .

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    engrich Reply:

    that way india is the richest country of world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    Re. gold accumulation. Try this link, you will find it interesting.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/33242464/The_World_s_Biggest_Gold_Reserves?slide=1

    Where government’s holding are concerned US is on top and India
    at no. 12 , but in private holdings India should be no. 1.

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    engrich Reply:

    iran will survive the crises.

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  • engrich

    aaloke eik aur deshbhakt kee ram kahani,

    नोएडा के मॉल में मिली 200 करोड़ की ‘तिजोरी’

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He was raided by Income Tax dept. because he is responsible for distributing cash and liquor on behalf of Dalit BSP.

    Obviously these IT raids are courtesy secular Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    I know the situation very well in UP of these so called builders and liquor barons.

    Unfortunately under the hood of being for Dalits, secularism or even your OBC, Hindu or Muslim vote, all of them create monoplies and make thousands of crores. The last honest government UP had was of Rajnath SIngh (BJP).

    DP Yadav, father of Vikas Yadav has a transport and liqor monoply now challeged by ponty Chadha. its rally very crooked but simple. ALL CM’s have devised methods of becoming partners in real estate project to the tune of 10-20% or just taking cash.

    yesterday by accident I was sitting in Noida sector 18 Barista, just opposite to where Ponty Chadha’s mall is and waves, 44 storey building is being made.

    Sitting on the next table were some income tax officers who had come for coffee while the raid was still on. The amounts they were discussing were mindboggling. Maybe kickbacks to teh tune of 3-4000 crores over a period of time.

    And I, sitting with an industrial client, requesting a pending payment of Rs 40,000/- felt puny !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Please go and read article on Pakistanis planning 26/11 in London and improve your character.

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    engrich Reply:

    gtit for tat
    u kill my dog i will kill ur cat.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan (and all married men):

    Bhagwan: Beta, koi mannat maango.
    Bhakt: Please Bhagwan, mujhe phir se unmarried ban dijiye.
    Bhagwan: Beta, maine ‘mannat’ maango bola tha…..’jannat’ nahin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very good one.

    Now this one also for married men.

    What is the difference between a friend and a wife.

    You can call you friend as your best friend
    but can you call your wife as your best wife ?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan, rofl.
    I shall try today evening- let me see if I am still slive tomorrow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    You are definitely more courageous than me. I will not even
    dream of doing this.

    By the way I spoke to Sachin and he has realized that it
    is not necessary for him to draw parallel with Bradman.
    He has promised me that he will score a century in
    this ODI tournament. I am sure he will keep his promise
    and we might see him scoring that elusive century on
    5th or 8th of this month. I will be in Bombay watching him
    on TV. Thanks for trying .

    Anonymous Reply:

    you can just say ‘you are the best’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Of course you are the best.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan/ Shenoy
    do not exhaust your stock in one day. would like to enjoy them over a long period.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    good one !!

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Aaj to mood main hain.

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  • Anonymous

    Supreme court has cancelled 122 2G licences. This proves that those licences
    were under priced and bribe was paid to get these. Government is responsible for
    this fiasco as they could have stopped this but chose not to. Should not the government resign on moral grounds ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now SC should also give a method of assessing the bribe given and recover the whole amount from Raja/Karunanidhi etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hooray for Subramania Swamy!
    I hope he puts his Harvard educated mind to go after other big scams at state levels like Behanji’s and Karunanidhi’s.
    Congress has consistently tried to project him as communal.. Take a look at his family — he has one of each in his family – a Muslim, (his own daughter married to Salman Haider), a Christian, a jew, and a Parsi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OOps- His daughter married to Salman Haider’s son

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    engrich Reply:

    subramaniam is cia israeli agent in india.he is fascist and apartheid.change his thought frequently.his party janta party has no follower.

    Anonymous Reply:

    in this respect, Shenoy and Swamy are same.

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  • Anonymous

    Why should a newspaper have two Political Editors ? Is one not enough ? Is there too much politics in the country that a daily requires to have two Editors to edit the News ? Are two different nuances required in the coverage of the country’s politics ? Is one rumoured to moving out for greener pastures ? Is atleast one rquired to attend to TV studios while the other stays in office to edit the page? Is one stronger with the old lobby , which rumours says is giving way to the New ? Is the other better placed with the New Order ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    One is specially for Mata Soniaji and her son Rahulji. Another one is for
    lesser mortal like our PM, Home minister, Defence minister, Leader of
    Opposition etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    fPraveen Saxenaji,

    my earlier post in response to this has been “found lost”.

    There is sense in having two political editors. In fact there is good sense.

    One PE (political editor) will look after, exclusively, the ‘interests’ of the congress party in the paper and on TV. Who else better than our friend, Vinod Sharma, to perform this highly ’sensitive’ and onerous task?

    The other PE can look after the lesser, more bothersome opposition parties and the troublesome UPA allies like TNC, NCP, etc.

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  • Anonymous

    While Manish Tiwari has compared Modi with Hitler, Kashmiri muslims are taking
    shelter in Gujarat.

    http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-02-01/ahmedabad/31012482_1_muslims-ahmedabad-baramulla

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No politician speaks for Kashmiri Pandits, who have been “ethnically cleansed” of their birth place…
    In India this is called secularism.

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    engrich Reply:

    kashmiri pundits were removed by nazi jagmohan to communalize issue.no kashmiri pundit was ever killed becaus of his religion.majority of them are happily settled in various north indian cities.many have returned ,are in process of returning where their properties and religious places are intact and their muslim brothers are welcoming them.many are still in camps which are not helped by rss or goverment /both use them to spread communalism.

    but jansanghi zhoot bolega bolega bolega..

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  • Anonymous

    Global Recession and Financial Crisis have become so critical and serious now days that……majority of the men have started loving their own wives!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    good one BVS!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    There are no two words about this. YOU are the best.

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    engrich Reply:

    wrong totally wrong ,wahan to pahle khushhal aate the abto badhal bhi aane lagein hain,bussines double ho gaya hai.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy sahab.
    Laajawab.

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  • Anonymous

    What would it take for the PM to resign? The SC today has cancelled all the licenses issued by the then telecom minister Mr. A Raja declaring them as being totally arbitrary and unconstitutional.

    In our parliamentary democracy, isn’t the PM responsible for the decisions made by his cabinet colleagues? Why would he like us to beleive that he or other cabinet minsiters were not aware of/empowered to stop the loot? The least the PM should do is to ask the current HM to resign. If the PM defends its then finance minister Mr. Chidambaram today, then it means he supports his role in the entire 2G episode. So, if tomorrow the Patiala House court orders an enquiry into the role of Mr. Chidambaram in this case, the government should resign.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    I am not a fan of Congress. However, for every court order and every news report, one cannot demand Chidambaram’s resignation or Govt resignation.

    For anything and everything the only tool BJP has is “resignation”. I wish that party gets a backbone, contests elections on integrity and development, and win. Let us see how they do in the Feb elections

    Is BJP as it is now, any better than congress? May be less corrupt, but then it may be due to the lack of opportunity

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    I know your political inclinations, having gone through your posts over pasts six months.

    Now, this is no news report. It is a judgement form no less than the Supreme Court of India quashing the allocation of 2G licenses reslting in a massive loss to the exchequer. A scam of such magnitude couldn’t have taken place without the knowledge of the highest in the governement and party. Even a lay man like me knows where does the hafta that the ordinary street vendor pays to the local policeman ends up. So, the accountability following this judgement must result in some heads rolling.

    As far as BJP is concerned, they would do (hopefully) fairly well in the ongoing assembly elections. And, the lack of opportunity can’t be held against the party. By all means, let the corrupts among them also go behind the bars if found on the other side of the law. Until then, the incumbent HM must resign in order to allow a fair probe into his role in the 2G scam.

    Has it been any wonder that so far the CBI has been opposing any enquiry against him because it reports to him?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Agree with you. Supreme court judgement is the slap on the face of this government.
    They have no moral ground to continue ruling, and should resign immediately.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi, Ishwar,

    the Supreme Court has declared that the licensing of 2G was all fraud.
    What it has refrained from declaring, though it was incumbent on it to do so one way or other, was whether Chidambaram had his share of responsibility in the commission of the fraud.

    If you read between the lines, the SC has held him guilty of the charges against him, but has found itself constrained to do so, because of the on-going state elections, which would have definitely been affected by an adverse judgement.

    Or else, it would not have left it to the trial court to declare Chidambaram innocent.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress has released its manifesto for UP elections. It was quite Muslim-specific, although it has not promised moon. Some of its priorities:
    - Additional funds for Wakf Corporation
    - Launch special fund for the restoration of Wakf properties
    -Implement Madrasa modernization
    - Make Urdu a second language and take measures to promote its use

    This coming from Indian National congress!

    They could have promised one central school for promising Muslim students; it would have done more for Muslims! But, no; they are dispensing what Mullahs want to hear!

    Oh, btw, Diryodhan Singh was a speaker at an All UP Mullah function in Lucknow two days ago- guess what he talked about (although the subject was not on the agenda) – saffron terrorism… Figure it out

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    What else we can expect from this party.
    Madrasa modernization is an oxymoron. What a Joke .

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    engrich Reply:

    special jansanghi touch.mullah not like ur thugs.u r big rss propagandist.where is ur fraud of ram mandir.pundit ek lodhan ke peir pakad ke election jeetne ka sapna dekh rahein hain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A Muslim School to teach HINDUS the VIRTUES OF QUORAN AND HADITH AND SHARIA.

    [Reply]

    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree. Why cannot the parties have all inclusive agenda in their manifestos – for example what do they intend to do for the poor, irrespective of their religion, caste, what have you?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    I believe the Parliamentary system has too many big holes — parties seelcting candidates, parties promising stuff…

    Even if we stay within the parliamentary system, an US style primary election makes better sense. That way the person has to promise, and he will not be able to.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    If we had two or at most three/four party system (we have hundreds of them), then the primary election system would make sense and it would be welcome. Then we can hope to get better candidates.

    As you are aware, the primaries in USA is among the registered members of the party. Here in India, party memberships seem to be a joke. We do not know, how many people are card -carrying members of any party, except perhaps the communist parties. Again, inner party democracy is another big joke. Whatever the numero uno says that is the law for the members.

    Here we have sometimes up to 50 to 60 candidates contesting from many constituencies – around 20/30 being the norm. As one too many fancy their chances at the hustings, it may not be feasible to have an US style system.

    Promising stuffs! There is fierce competition among parties as to who can outdo others in making promises (most of them outlandish and bizarre) that are unlikely to ever be fulfilled. Promising free stuff is another, as if it is their ‘baap kaa maal’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And Gopi,

    what do the “saffron terrorists” of Karnataka, Bihar and Gujarat do?

    Read On:

    MONTHLY HONORARIUM FOR MUSLIM CLERGYMEN
    ———————————————————————————-

    Mangalore: Pesh Imams, Muezzins and maulim of not-so-well-off masjids in Karnataka are all set to receive monthly honorariums from this month. Extending this benefit to them is the ministry of Minority Welfare, which, through the Waqf Board, will disburse Rs.3000/- o Pesh Imams or Khateebs, Rs.2500/- to Muezzins (mukhris) and Rs.2600/- to Maulims (headmasters of madrasas). The board has received nearly 5400 applications so far.

    Terming this a historic decision by the government,which earmarked Rs.5crore for this purpose in the budget in 2010-11, N.B.Aboobakkar, chairman, Karnataka Minority Development Corporation Ltd., said Karnataka will be only the third state (after Bihar and Gujarat) to give suchg honorariums to these sections of the Muslim clergy. Their masjids should be registered with the (waqf) board, he said.

    Aboobakkar told TOI that they had been worried about the political fallout of this move implemented by the BJP government which they had consistently described as “anti-minority”.———TIMES OF INDIA, BANGALORE.

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    engrich Reply:

    but the salaries are very low.should be minimum 3 times.a good step.

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    engrich Reply:

    When 2 top Brahmins spoke the truth &predict that Hindu India’s free fall has begun. The collapse is all-round. Nothing can stop this crisis after crisis. Here is a proof of perfection of our predictions.
    Collapse of education system: “We are producing sub-standard doctors, engineers, lawyers and other professionals. There is not a single educational institution in India that is par-excellence. The chairman of Medical Council of India (MCI) is in jail. I got to know the condition of some medical colleges. The lesser that is said, the better”, said Karnataka Governor H.R. Bharadwaj. (Times of India, June 26, 2010).
    Brahmin speaks Truth
    The education sector lays the foundation for a society’s forward march.
    Governor H.R. Bharadwaj is a former Union Law Minister and top Brahmin of the country. A great quality of the Brahmin is they never criticise themselves, particularly the education system which is their 100% monopoly.
    But Bharadwaj says India’s entire education system has collapsed. There is no village in India with a functioning primary school. The ruling class (read Brahminists) want to keep the Bahujans (SC/ST/BCs and Muslims etc.) totally illiterate. Bharadwaj knows all this but in a state of excitement at a Bangalore function truth burst out of his mouth unconsciously.
    Iyer reveals where money is going
    There is yet another Brahmin (a Tamil Nadu Iyer), an ex-Union Minister who was a former diplomat who also spoke the truth which will not be liked by his jatwalas:
    : The UN human development index for India was 134 in 1984 and it remained at 134 even in 2007, despite so much of being spent on development, said Mani Shankar Iyer, former Union minister for Panchayat Raj.
    The centre spent a nominal Rs. 7,500 crore on the social sector and the poor in 1984, but by 2007, it went up to Rs. 1,20,000 crore though the human development index remained the same.
    We are now among the top four nations having dollar-billionaires and dollar-millionaires now.
    But there are nearly 836 million people who are earning Rs. 20 per day, which is lower than the NREGA pay scale. There has been a regression in terms of panchayat raj which was supposed to take us to development.
    Quoting late PM Rajiv Gandhi who once said that “out of Re.1, only 15 paise reaches the poor and the rest is lost in corruption”, Aiyar said: “It has actually been misinterpreted. What he actually said was that 85 paise goes to administration

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  • Anonymous

    *** Sibal blames A Raja, NDA for 2G spectrum scam ***

    He goes on to justify this by saying the govt. was only following NDA policy . If there was no wrong doing and zero-loss (patented by him), then

    a) why is Raja is jail, and
    b) why has the SC cancelled the 2G licenses issued in 2008 and not the ones in 2003 or earlier

    It won’t come as a surprise if tomorrow he blames Martin Cooper for the scam as he was the one who designed the first mobile phone.

    Shamless minister and typical Congressi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My fear is that like all other scams, nobody will be punished for this after all the hoopla.

    I am told there is a mother of all scams developing in Bangalore — multi-year muli multi multi multi crore land development scam- covering multiple ministries, bureaucrats.. the rumour is that it is brewing but may not see the light of the day.. May be Shenoy can throw some light. ..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    You are correct. Bofors will happen to 2G scam. Even NDA if it comes to power will bury this scam as it did in case of Bofors.

    Looks like both Congress and BJP has each others back.

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  • Anonymous

    Sibal is blaming NDA for all the scams. Will he give credit to NDA for all the UPA’s achievements if any?

    Anna once said both Sibal and Chidu are class liar..He has been proved correct beyond any doubt.

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  • Anonymous

    Growing irrelevance of the Indian ayatollah
    Praveen Swami

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2851420.ece?homepage=true

    Late in the ninth century CE, the great physician, chemist and philosopher, Muhammad ibn Zakaria al-Razi, launched a scathing attack on the pietist ideological foundations of the world he lived in.

    “All men being by their nature equal,” he argued in his magnum opus, Fi Nekdh al-Adyan, or Refutation of Revealed Religions, “the prophets cannot claim any intellectual or spiritual superiority. The miracles of the prophets are impostures or belong to the domain of pious legend.”

    The theist’s counter-argument, he said, was violence: “asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them”.

    Last month’s silencing of Salman Rushdie, preceded and followed as it was by a succession of faith-inspired attacks on free speech, tempts one to believe little has changed in a thousand years.

    ——-

    Read on.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ManoharT , very good article, I like Pravin Swamy , Most of the time he speaks sense , However VERY UNLIKELY you will find Engrich or Rizwan geezer ENDORSING that alternate view of Al Razi

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    engrich Reply:

    he became great because of teachings of islam in which education simplicity and morality is of gretest importance.freedom of thought is also permitted.u follow britishers now i am reading about stay in kenya,

    In KENYA, the British used beatings, sexual humiliation, hooding, sleep deprivation, and bombarding with white noise.

    32 Whites were killed by the Mau Mau during the five-year state of emergency. More whites died in traffic accidents in the capital city, Nairobi.

    Kenyans were forced into concentration camps and routinely tortured. Some 150,000 Africans died as a direct result of the British policy.

    There was a “constant stream of reports of brutalities by police, military and home guards”, wrote Canon Bewes, a British missionary. “Some of the people had been using castration instruments and two men had died under castration.”

    Other brutalities included slicing off ears, boring holes in eardrums, flogging people to death, pouring paraffin over suspects and setting them alight and burning eardrums with cigarettes.

    A British district officer admitted, “There was outright abuse of power and some of the crimes committed were horrific. One day six Mau Mau suspects were brought into a police station in the neighbouring district to mine. The British police inspector in charge lined them up against a wall and shot them.”

    A mobile gallows travelled the country. Over 1,000 were hanged, their bodies displayed at crossroads and market places.

    The British Empire was involved in:

    The drugs trade (Dope inc),

    Slavery,

    Concentration camps,

    False flag terror,

    Torture,

    And institutionalised racism

    americans are copying them.

    ,

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    engrich Reply:

    indian brhmnst too are following them.

    engrich Reply:

    mr mohan 1/3 of population of world consider prophet mohammed as his father.so goverment of india should not invite him keeping the feelings of muslims in their mind.he has abused their prophet.he remains in hiding otherwise muslims will break his head and put his intellectuality in his…
    just to tease muslims he is being publicised like taslima.

    regarding al razi he was born as muslim died as muslim.our society too has people with different views.but in 1000 years ur hindu society has not produced any near to him.

    Rhazes was the greatest physician of Islam and the Medieval Ages.”– George Sarton[page needed]
    “Rhazes remained up to the 17th century the indisputable authority of medicine.”– The Encyclopaedia of Islam[page needed]
    “His writings on smallpox and measles show originality and accuracy, and his essay on infectious diseases was the first scientific treatise on the subject.” – The Bulletin of the World Health Organization (May 1970)
    “In today’s world we tend to see scientific advance as the product of great movements, massive grant-funded projects, and larger-than-life socio-economic forces. It is easy to forget, therefore, that many contributions stemmed from the individual efforts of scholars like Rhazes. Indeed, pharmacy can trace much of its historical foundations to the singular achievements of this ninth-century Persian scholar.” — Michael E. Flannery[page needed

    just go to encyclopedia and read about him.he invented sulphric acid.just read.mind of philosopher should be opened that is why.slaves of sanskar cannot produce great scientist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich

    What you say about Al-Razi is true, but totally out of context with the article in question. His achievements in medicine have nothing to do with his questioning religions and their protagonists.

    BTW: Each civilisation (including Indian) produces brilliant people and path breakers. As far as medicine is concerned, I hope you have heard about Sushruta (the father of surgery, 500 BC) and Charaka (300 BC). The medical works of both Sushruta and Charaka were translated into Arabic language during the Abbasid Caliphate (750 AD).

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    engrich Reply:

    . His achievements in medicine have nothing to do with his questioning religions and their protagonists

    . His achievements in medicine have nothing to do with his questioning religions and their protagonists

    people like this were always present in muslim community.mirza ghalib has written ,mujhko maloom hai jannat ke haqeeqat lekin phir bhi dil ke khush karne ko yeh khayal achcha hai.
    nobody killed him or he was not forced to leave india.professor aleem the vc of aligarh was an agnostic.he was respected.to big
    muslim countries albania and tajikistan are declared atheist state.but u people only only know rushdie tasleema or aurangzeb.

    i recommend u to read about ibn sina ,ibn rushd,omar khayyam apart from alrazi.

    their corpus also includes writing on philosophy, astronomy, alchemy, geology, psychology, Islamic theology, logic, mathematics, physics, as well as poetry

    they have written master commentries on aristotle and plato.there are hundreds

    philosophers sould have open mind.challenging is one things
    abusing something else.

    media can boycot spid news but it looks it is sales tacticswhithout this propaganda.nobody will buy tasleema books.

    The medical works of both Sushruta and Charaka were translated into Arabic language during the Abbasid Caliphate (750 AD).

    and arabs introduce them to west.that time arabic was language of science.he came into light after millinum when rabs translated their works into arabic.

    these 2 are big but not as compared to names i gave u above.they were multidimensional.charaka was budhhdist.

    Each civilisation (including Indian) produces brilliant people and path breakers

    yes but muslim civilization of europe was base of rennainace.
    when muslim ruled areas had 100%literacy EUROPEAN RULERS ANGHOOTA LAGATE THE.

    rding 2people like this were always present in muslim community.mirza ghalib has written ,mujhko maloom hai jannat ke haqeeqat lekin phir bhi dil ke khush karne ko yeh khayal achcha hai.
    nobody killed him or he was not forced to leave india.professor aleem the vc of aligarh was an agnostic.to big
    muslim countries albania and tajikistan are declared atheist state.but u people only only know rushdie tasleema or aurangzeb.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The intolerance of other people’s viewpoints and religions is of recent vintage. Period.

    engrich Reply:

    in muslim countries we dont see any intolerance.they re backward,sometimes old is gold.insocalled modern societies we see more mayhem.more mentally sick and depressed than ancient societies.

  • Anonymous

    Shenoy and Mohan wah ji wot luvly humour.
    RIZWAN EFFECT. Bloggers will remember how rizwans coming leads to unpresidented changes.
    1. Ravi who used to abuse hindu gods was actually nostalging about bhajans of his youth. What we expect now?? Pervez mush saying sorry for kargil?
    2. But this is bigger miracle, cingulate of dr shan has actually got so scared of riswan that he has actuaally not abused anyone for 3 weeks.
    I think shan will now send valentine card to Vijay. Oye Viju pl u look after yr asss, varna ” shan tumhey bagiyan ghumaney ley jaayega”
    Hehe

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not sure if these DPS or Columbus types like viju will understand earthy “bagiyan” type jokes. Oye khottey Vijay, it does not mean that shan is bagiyan taking u to pluck apples

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    engrich Reply:

    hey rbba sabse wadda tu,
    yeh duniya teri choon
    choon witch jo hai joon
    woh lahna singh hai too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What is the difference between PONTY CHADDHA and BALLS BHONDHU aka Balwinder Sandhu, one hides ill gotten cash in underground bunkers , the other hides illegal immigrants (his CARGO) in the cellar of his house, as part of his trade (Kabuterbaji)

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    engrich Reply:

    Ravi who used to abuse hindu gods

    ravi never abused any god.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,
    No offence but you never make any sense. All you do is keep praising Rizwan and Misra who contribute nothing to this blog.

    I agree with Shan on you. It is better you talk all this nonsense on Chai ki Dukaan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cmon Rajeev

    I find balwinder quire cheerful . And that is something as most of the world is grouchy and glum…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Balwinder never posts any views on the topic. I expect him to post on topic at least one a while.

    engrich Reply:

    i dont why he is after ravi who is very civilized person.he is sikh why worry about hindu godess,though to my he never did it.hei is also pushing rizwan to wrong side who otherwise is good boy.it will take him another 15 years to understand world.he using him as toy.this is very bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi is a scumbag..and you too.

    It is between Balwinder and me.

    engrich Reply:

    u are a mad and sanki idiot nothing more.a dirty abusive person.an stupid 3rd rated paunjabi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev if luk carefully I hv praised vijay. Mohan and the irepressible shenoy. And I like rajiiv, ashish, gopi, parvez, dr pankaj, shoeb, syed, dr shah alam, and hv praised them before
    and I post in my own way. When ravi said 5000 women are raped by high caste everyday, I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO STOPPED HIM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Are you here to praise only? Please contribute more..It is OK to praise FRIENDS but sometimes also appreciate the TOPIC.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Would you not agree that the downfall of the UPA began the day chotta baba came out of his kintergarten and tried to play politics with India and tried to undermine MMS to project himself and Digvinash as the rightfull crown holders

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  • Anonymous

    Thursday evening. I can only post ‘A’ class jokes.

    What is the height of darkness.

    Two Negros making love in a coal mine wearing black condom.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Dharti ke neeche bhi bhis sholay ugal rahe hai…
    good one !
    Though it would have been better in case you would have used the politically correct word..,, “black” instead of negro…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    Though not agree with the Joke but my question is why it is not politically incorrect or objectionable when hindus in general and brahmins in particular are abused by people like Shan and Engrich and some time Rajeev. Why? Why?? Simply because they are less in number and politically insignificant( ??).

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    engrich Reply:

    nobody abuse brhmns.brhmnst (hindu zionists are cursed for their deeds).brhmns too are victim of brhmnsm.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    could not understand ever, your brhmnsm.

    engrich Reply:

    brhmnsm was created by savarkar,an agnostic jew hiding among maratha hindus. represented through ideology of rss.everybody livingin india is hindu.but he segregrated indians, made 2 groups and then through lies and distorted history made them fight eachother,through that made money and power.putting brhmns in danger.this voilent ideology is retarding progress of nation.this is hurting everybody including brhmns.the history which they prepared to get recruits is all bullshit and based on lies.they copy ashknazi jews, one perpetuated sept 11 other 26/11.they say that they are pure indian,
    they have offices all over world,from where they are involve all type of terrorist and illegal activities.lot can be witten.bad people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Pankaj#1 , perhaps you need to look it up in the dictionary , the meaning of abuse, Calling Ponty Chaddha a crook is not abuse , similarly showing the mirror to bramhins and whoever who fall short of basic human traits of decency and humanism , is not abuse but a duty of anyone who refuses to be undermined by prejudice

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    I was not referring to your this post. i was alluding to your general tone and tenor. it is everybody’s duty to revolt against injustice.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I don’t abuse Brahmins. I hold them responsible for injustice done to dalits which forced lower caste hindus in the arms of muslims and christians.

    I am sure many hindus who were forcibly converted by muslims tried to come back to hindu fold but Brahmins did not allow that. The best example was son of Peshwa & Mastani who had to remain muslim because Brahmins overruled Peshwa when he tried to convert to Hinduism.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    To great extent you are right. Kala Pahar case( historical) in bengal is a prime example, which forced the conversion. Also purnia pandit advisor to hyder Ali is again an example. But now they are out and fallen from grace, truly emasculated. Mare ko kya Marana.

    engrich Reply:

    as per vivekanand ur apartheid social system played major role in conversion,fear of rulers was least.muslims came to india because they were powerful.if they wanted they could convert whole india.what christains have done to americans and europeans.most of the conversion took place during british rule not muslim rule.ur greed for wealth and worldly luxuries instead of higher moral is behind this.
    brhmns were right incase of baji rao and mastani,to have janau both parties must be brhmn.in hinduism shudra and muslim same.
    but shamsher son of bajirao died fighting for marathas against ahmed shah abdali in third battle of panipat.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Believe me I have no hatred for Brahmins but they are yet to reform. They still are free loaders always looking for easy money. I am speaking this from my personal experience.

    I remember my brahmin friend keeping separate cups for his muslim friend but when same muslim friend sent Anda-Biryani, my brahmin’s friend brother ate shamelessly out the same pot.

    The same people who hated dalits were later looking for BSP ticket and calling Mayawati Behenji with FAKE respect..

    Besharmi ki limit hai..

    I hope new generation of brahmins reform and reject casteism..only then we can counter this dalit-muslim divisive agenda.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Pankaj, Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    Shan is too much Nirad babu to understand what Mohan has meant in the joke.

    It may be inappropriate for blacks to be called Negros in UK/US. But it may not be inappropriate for us to utter the ‘n’ word.

    Hindus are abused by engrich, Fake Ravi and Shaan with the greatest glee and almost carnal satisfaction in thousands of posts here and nobody finds them inappropriate.

    I feel Mohan’s joke was a normal one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    THIS THROUGH AND THROUGH RACIST JOKES , YOU WILL GO DOWN THE KERMIT IF YOU POSTED THIS JOKE ON A UK WEBSITE.
    How about PRINCE PHILIP , when he said on visiting an electronics company, there were lot of wires hanging out from the instrument , he said
    LOOKS LIKE IT HAS BEEN PUT BY AN INDIAN
    OR JEREMY CLARKSON , in recent TOP GEAR programme,
    He said he modified his car to drive in India bu placing a COMMODE in the BOOT, as that is what you are bound to need when you are travelling in INDIA

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    engrich Reply:

    what an idiotic and dirty joke.

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  • Anonymous

    I must say Kapil Sibal and Digvijay truly represent Congressis..Scums of the highest order.

    Even on this blog most of the congressis use SIbal/Digvijay kind of language and logic. It is congress culture that needs to be eradicated.

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  • Anonymous

    Okay Folks , as we all come to this blog to share and learn from each other’s experience , here is one I like to share.
    This is in essence my tribute to the MOST UNDERVALUED profession in the market economy.
    My BOSCH washing machine went on the blink with wet clothes inside. . Now to order through the internet , and delivery and then assembling and disposal of the old one will take at least 48-72hrs.So I rang up a technician in my area. Now in UK , rarely people repair domestic appliances, because for a few quid more you can buy a new one. My predicament was the wet clothes inside and the time to replacement.
    The guy came , at the exact time he said he will come(Britain is down but not out).
    It gave me a wonderful opportunity to see how the damn thing works. The disassembling is AN ART IN ITSELF. Unless you know “THE ANATOMY” you cannot do it. Every step follows a logical sequence WITH PRECISE TOOLS. The way he extracted out the motor from the back of the machine was as aweinspiring as any surgery.We all have LEARNT BY ROTE (as is the case in India) about the motor, now was my chance to see. The technical knowledge and the DEXTERITY involved in pulling out the BRUSH and the PIN that locks it , made me bow my head in respect.
    The motor was not running , he initially thought it was the brushes that had worn off , but it was not the case. He thought the motor needed greasing , then when he checked for current , at the ? READ Circuit , there was not enough current. He was is in a fix, he rang his mate , who suggested to remove the PRINTED CIRCUIT BOARD from the front . He presto , one single circuit point had melted. He apparently used to be TV technician , so he took out the offending pin and resoldered it .

    THE REASON FOR RELATING THIS STORY is this guy’s (LIKE SO MANY IN SIMILAR SITUATION IN INDIA) INTELLECTUAL QUOTIENT is far FAR superior than
    any BANKER like Chanda Kochar or Naina Lal Kidwai or that matter DUMBOS LIKE
    Sonia Singh , YET THE ASTRONOMICAL DIFFERENCE IN PAY AND SOCIAL SCALE.
    I have always felt Engineers are the most undervalued and MISUSED profession all over the world EXCEPT GERMANY AND JAPAN. Though in USA , the ANGLOSAXONS by genetics are very TECHNICALLY MINDED.
    Akio Morita in his book MADE IN JAPAN alludes to this fact.
    That is why in INDIA , so many engineers become SALESMAN with zero connection to engineering. ALSO SCORES MORE LEAVE THE SHORES and you cannot blame them , WHEN A EX SUGAR MILL OWNER RUNS A ELECTRONIC COMPANY(VIDEOCON) , an ex IMPORT -EXPORT GUY withZERO technical aptitude runs MOBILE TELEPHONY BUSINESS (BHARTI) THUS UNDERSTANDABLY OUTSOURCES 100% OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
    OH YES THE GREATEST LARGESSE DOLED OUT BY THE CONgress , the MATHEY KI KALANK , the HINDUSTAN AMBASSADOR CAR (the butt of jokes all over the world) ,
    NO WONDER THE NATURE MAGAZINE REMARKED
    “IIT’S ARE THE GREATEST GIFT OF INDIA TO AMERICA”

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  • Anonymous

    A must watch program..Tarek Fatah speaking about what is pakistan..He is baring discrimination in pakistani Islam, hatred for jews-hindus..
    The people like Ravi and Enrich can learn alot by following such people..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lC3A7dbgQ

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    engrich Reply:

    i care for india being indian.as per high court ruling of lahore,PUNJABI KA DYING STATEMENT BHI ZHOOTA HO SAKTA HAI.descrimination is everywhere.pakistanis are are worse than us.anyhow they are ur blood brother.

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  • Anonymous

    The real face od Dar-ul-uloom, Deoband:

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/50955-through-the-looking-glass-at-deoband.html

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    engrich Reply:

    kanchan gupta is bloody rss man whole article is bundle of half truth and untruth.written with sole purpose of increasing hatred.fatwa is an advise.if u go to ur religiuous people for some problem they will you fatwa or advise.he is mindless and propagandist like any other person of rumour spreading society.(rss)

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  • Anonymous

    I never realized that a innocuous joke posted by me would lead to a discussion about
    political correctness. Guys treat joke as a joke only and smile if you like it otherwise
    just ignore. IMO there is already too much of political correctness being practiced
    and in process people are not able to put forward their views strongly because of the
    scare of offending so called feelings of some group/caste/religion. Often people get offended by silly things.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    That is life !

    I, at least, was not reprimanding you, but just sending a word of caution that terminology keeps changing with times, and in certain forums, people might twist it. “Negroids” as a race is Ok but blacks for co called darker people is the norm.

    Even in the older books I read, Grapes of wrath and cry the beloved country (Alan Paton), the word used is Negro. However since the mid eighties, word usage has evolved.

    But then I know you meant is a joke, and a funny one– similar to the one on whites making it out on the snow which I once heard…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    yes. Black is beautiful. Here is proof:

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    One of the best of yours.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ah! Ah!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    here is a picture, which is a test for one’s not being racial:

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  • Anonymous

    Hush … political editors are burning the midnight oil … . There is a deadline … and there has to be an immediate response to the “ Monumental Shame on UPA” by the Supreme Court of India . So a piece on Subramaniam Swamy … but would it be wise to carry under their own byeline… no .. Oh bravo … Reuters have come out with something… what a face-saver.. Just what we would like to write ….Subramanian Swamy: Crusading hero or just publicity-hungry? ……A publicity-hungry former minister and disgraced Harvard Professor …..Swamy’s fight is a political one….. Amid the embarrassment for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government, which oversaw the sale of the licences at below-market prices, the 72-year-old eyed his next target……..A celebrated economist and noted foreign policy expert, Swamy is perhaps best known as a pedlar of conspiracy theories that range from the sublime to the ridiculous…….His claims, which mostly centre on Italian-born Congress party President Sonia Gandhi, include allegations that Gandhi is often spirited away by “dubious Arab” businessmen to Dubai, where she is hosted by agencies of countries “hostile to India”.
    Whereas the country is lauding the efforts of Swamy who single-handedly jolted the swagger of an arrogant and shameless government of scamsters , scumsters and tricksters , some are trying to find a way to salvage its reputation…a difficult task but they are a brave lot and never say die…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    I have never seen you so angry.

    It looks like this government and its leaders have unbounded capacity to suffer defeats, ridicule, insults, injuries and loss of face and prestige and still behave as if the country simply loves its style of governance.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Exactly my sentiments..This country needs violent revolution..

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ SARKAR BEHOOSH ~~ SPIN DOCTORS KHAMOSH~~ MEDIA SARFROSH~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    At Vinodji and Prabhat

    Kuch toh bolo, Vindoji,
    Ab toh chuppi tod do, Prabhatji !!

    The UPA is really in doldrums now !! Good… yeh corrupt or dynasty waalon ko ab alvida kehene ka time aa gaya hai…. !

    The point is they are all trying to save themselves now, by blaming A Raja. Wah Wah !! Kya chori aur seenazori hai !! Was Raja acting alone????? Kanimozhi and Dayanidhi will be the first ones to be named. And maybe even some corpoates like Anil Ambani who fixed everything.

    But did Chotta baba get somethign directly or indirectly???

    Big question. In case the Congress campaign funds came from 2G kickbacks… then there is a direct link. Many a times people would say, Rajiv is clean. The Bofors kickbacks was just for COngress funding of elction. Well if you go on campaign trails with kickback money, get the job on kickback money, get your petrol, your personal favours for corporate partnerships….

    Then how the hell can you be clean???

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    AshishC Reply:

    About a member of the Gandhi family, Keats must have written: “Others abide our criticism, thou art free” :D

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blimey , read my observation on engineers in India and uk, no wonder they turn to Keats

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A doctor like you can only turn to nurses.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    I am yet to figure out how many generations the sale of Nehru’s books can sustain. Maybe u should make a sfotware to uncover this.

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    AshishC Reply:

    So many things to research… for instance, how many times Anand Bhavan has been dedicated and gifted to the nation..

    Anonymous Reply:

    yeh sarkar apna hosh gawa baitha hai
    iss ka pradhan mantri dishaa-heen ho gaya hai
    iss ka supreme neta nirankush ho gayi hai
    iss ka yuvraj apne hi bachpana ka shikar ho gaya hai
    aur hamari media in sab ke saath de kar besharmi ka hudd dhoond raha hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nobody – DMK, Cong, BJP – will be punished if history is any guide. Lots of noise, and that is it.

    Where is KG Balakrishnan case?
    Where is Aadarsh case?
    Where is bofors case?

    It is a good thing that Mayawati disclosed her considerable wealth when she filed for contesting election. How come the source of her wealth is not investigated? How can a person whose whole life was in politics amass so much wealth? Karunanidhi clan? YSR (at least he started with a good balance sheet).

    Aaloke discussed the loss of character or not having character as a key part of the dismal public service picture. But that is only one part.

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  • Anonymous

    Govt losing on the VK SIngh age front also…

    yeh kya ho raha hai?

    Seems that where they cannot use their gestapo power, they lose

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In the case of CVC the government tried to impose its vitiated and coloured selection on the opposition and the nation with unbounded arrogance.

    Now the same government is asking the army chief and the nation to accept a patently false date of birth, standing on unbounded ego and stupidity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab, Vijay ,Mohan

    The Supreme Court of India is “Plan Z” of the RSS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Z stands for zionst, brhmnst?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    I blame the general. He should have fixed the age issue on day 1 when he joined the army. Having let it go till his last year of service is a bad decision, unexpected from a general.

    Making this a circus is UPA’s stupidity. They just do not have a feel for priority, public perception etc. There was no need to drag it out in public.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Government has tied itself in knots by their utter inept handling. They do not know whether they are coming or going. One disaster after another.
    We should have a general elections soon.

    I agree with Gopi, the General is at fault. If one were to accept 1951 as the year of his birth, who knows he would have retired just as Lt. General and not become the Army chief. Now when it is time to retire, he is asking for a change – why was he quiet all these years? The answer is obvious.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think this matter should never ever have come into the public domain.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    Corruption is one aspect. Competency is another. Do we sincerely believe government is sufficiently vested with talent and skills to handle disasters , say, akin to Katrina in 2005 ?
    Or for that matter, the slowly and steadily increasing climate un-certainities ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    we did a good job when the tsunami hit..also gujrat eathquake..obviously more has to be done in emergency mgt.
    but at the ed of the day we do not care about human lives. no politician/govt will fall because of the mishandling or deaths

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tsunami and Bhuj earthquake events un-folded without any real time to react.
    Now contrast that with events like Katrina where the build-up provides warnings a day or so in advance.
    The reason I mention Katrina is during the same period we had 26thJuly flooding in Mumbai. Nothing much has really changed 6 yrs. since then neither at prevention level nor in terms of preparedness.
    BTW, did you miss 26/11 ? What was the preparedness picture you got before NSG stepped in ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh & others

    1) Corruption.

    Perhaps we as a nation have got so used to corruption, so much so that most of us do not think twice before paying
    speed-money and its various avtars to get our work done, due to the fact our work will not be done without it or to save time and jump queues. As Aaloke mentioned may be there is a deficit in the nations’s character.

    I wonder sometimes with increased computerisation has the corruption decreased at lower levels of bureaucracy?

    2) Competency

    Individually, there are many able people in their chosen fields. Whether they have been able to combine it with political acumen to make a mark, make difference and avoid disasters is the question. IMO, very few have.

    Looking at the current crop of political leaders, (now this will probably raise the hackles of many here, especially Gopi’s!), the best one to combine various attributes is Sharad Pawar. With, of course, only 9 MPs, he does not have the clout at the centre to make a difference , though in Maharashtra he is King. Earlier, he got out of the Congress, when Sonia Gandhi became the boss – the primary reason, IMO, that he does not have to sing ‘Sonia Gandhi this, Rahuul Gandhi that’ at the drop of a hat. I think he would have been an ideal President of the Congress Party, but then that is asking for the ………..

    Recently, he has been advocating that the NREGA scheme during the harvest seasons be suspended,, as there is resultant shortage of labour thus increasing agriculture costs and also questioned the Food Security Bill, that may turn out to be another disaster. Of course, no one is listening to him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    From competency perspective, my own bets are with P. Chidambaram.

    Anonymous Reply:

    OK.

    Combing competency plus political management, my money is on Sharad Pawar, who is set to retire from electoral politics in 2014 or whenever the general elections will be held.

    IMO, if he had been involved, he would managed the ‘troublesome’ allies in the UPA much better, but the Congressmen always make sure that no such credit be extended to him, as they do not seem to trust him. Every now and then the congressmen in Maharashtra float a balloon about NCP merging with the Congress in the fond hope than Sharad Pawar would become just one of them. Now they have to deal with him on terms stacked against them. Remember, he is no 3 in the pecking order in the Cabinet and the congress loyalists resent the importance he has.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    the climate is certainly fraught with uncertainties.
    The skies are dark with thick clouds of corruption, mal-administration and political set-backs may erupt any time resulting in pralaya.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent. So, we expect Mr. Pawar to rather perform a poetic discourse laced with Rabindra Sangeet on the un-certainities of life and nature. That too in front of those whose daily bread comes from their engagement in agriculture.

  • Anonymous

    The problem is Govt may be losing , BUT NO ONE IS WINNING, imagine Akhilesh Yadav as PM or Sushma Mousi as Finance Minister.
    My prediction is UP WILL HAVE A HUNG PARLLIAMENT , with congress/sp forming govt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imagine even worse..Rahul Gandhi as PM and Digvijay Home Minister..

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  • Anonymous

    The 2G cancellations will result in another set back in FDI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why would you say so ?

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  • Anonymous

    Looting, looting everywhere…now it is MGNREG rural employment funds!
    High time to get rid of the IAS centralized machinery; direct payments to be implemented.. Hopefully Aadhar will help in the future

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  • Anonymous

    Digvijay Singh informs the country , in Hyderabad , that the Govt is going to file Review Petition , in the SC. Is he the Govt Spokesman on policy ?
    But must be true . After all how will the beneficiaries account for the money taken ? Will those from whose pockets , the money has flowed ….who have paid the sums sit quitely ?…. Big problem…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Exactly… even I was wondering why this aspect is not being discussed more openly. There is no denying that under-the-table money was paid. So, those who paid it would of course run after the life of the bribe-takers.

    The beneficiaries must have had a sleepless night yesterday.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    iswar

    Everybody will sleep well. The noise will go on… This is India.. only poor goes to jail…

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  • Anonymous

    The UPA/Govt is worse than incompetent!

    Who is Digryodhan Singh to talk about filing petition etc? IS he the Solicitor general? Is he the Law Minister?

    This in a microcosm is the problem with the Indian polity.

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  • Anonymous

    Another big scam of 42000 crores in the making.
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    MMS government gives contract to Rafale of France even though their planes are not comparable to those of US.
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    Order given under pressure from Sonia Gandhi-another BOFORS in the making?
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYIpGwIzDOk

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    There is no comparison between the F-22 raptor and the medicore rafaele. Probably Quotrochchi now living in Italy would have been been the balance tilter.

    In case there is a manufacturing clause and total transfer of technology to let India make these planes at the HAL factory, then there is some reason. Otherwise… it is a bad bad choice…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    As it is apart from fench kisses, french technology is medicore !!

    The Logan on the road… is no gr8 shakes. Its software industry is obsolete…despite the initial break of the internet. And the perfumes… and the food … well the price is more impressive than the product !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Khapodia , BACK TO HIS KHAP PANCHAYAT MODE.
    French TVS train IS THE FASTEST IN THE WORLD , bar the magenetically levitated short run train in china , made in germany.French PUEGOT diesel engine now under the bonnet of TATA’S JAGUAR diesel model. In your building trade LAFARGE is the biggest cement maker in the world , who bought out ACC cement from TATA.
    AIRBUS headquarters is in TOULOUSE in France .
    SNECMA is a major aero engine manufacturer.
    French SCORPENE class SUBMARINE which india has bought six of them , has air independent propulsion , an unique feature. French EXOCET missiles cause HAVOC in falklands war till maggie thatcher begged Miteraund to SUPPLY THE CODES as a payback for the british support in ww2.
    F22 is an old generation aircraft , RAFAELE is an OUTSTANDING AIRCRAFT , it has AESA radar , the most advanced radar in the market, also the design is in tune with the LCA , tailless delta wing design.
    ALSO YANKS CANNOT BE RELIED UPON , WHEN THEY WILL IMPOSE SANCTION.
    Are you aware of GLOBAL BRANDS, NOT A SINGLE INDIAN PRODUCT IS IN THAT LIST.
    French brands galore , starting from Loreal , chanel , YSL,
    Danone , Saint Gobain (supplies windscreen glasses to most cars), Rhone polenec(Drugs) Moulinex(blender toaster)
    LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP , THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE PORKYS

    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    All of what you say is correct. The aircraft proved itself recently in Libya.

    French Agriculture produce is also world class, wine and cheese just to name two.

    However, the insinuation here is that France is closer to Switzerland!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    But France has banned Burkha..

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    do you mean Barkha or Burka? Ha.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sometime people are so eager to win an argument they start praising the same people who they had slammed earlier. Typical looser muslim trait especially pakistani.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Do not understand you here. Am I praising Barkha ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    France banned Bukha..
    But Ravi is praising France…

    Got my drift.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    You are a Doctor so just stick to your field buddy. You have no clue about fighter planes. Rafale is not a truly fifth generation aircraft. Just google and compare.

    I think Eurofighter was a better option but as is the tradition, India always goes by lowest bid.

    As is the tradition of Congress, I am sure they will not miss this opportunity to make millions for Sonia Mataji.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I HOPE YOU WOULD LEARN QUICK , like others have done when challenging me , he end up having egg on their face . I regularly follow latest development through Jane’s all the world’s aircraft and host of magazines like AIR INTERNATIONAL , AIR FORCES MONTHLY ., COMBAT AIRCRAFT etc.
    Now let me EDUCATE you.
    5th Generation aircraft is now being born in sukhoi iturusk factory.It will need another FIVE to TEN years to prove its worth.India is a partner in that project ONLY WITH MONEY, ZERO TECHNICAL INPUT.
    SIXTH GENERATION AIRCRAFT IS BEING DEVOLOPED BY BOEING , IS ANOTHER 10YRS AWAY , TO BUY EACH WILL COST 40 MILLION A PIECE.
    India needs something to fill the gap , till LCA is ready if ever in 2014.
    Eurofighter HAD COUPLE OF MID AIR EXPLOSIONS , also it is not a LONG HAUL , but needs refuelling pretty soon after flying.
    ALSO TOO MANY COUNTRY INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT , if any one of them pulls the plug india will be in a limbo.

    Ravi Reply:

    India needs to replace MIGs PDQ.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry It will be around 130 million a piece for BOEING RAPTOR F35

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Just want to correct you..Most of the time I have corrected you on facts..so no more gloating at least with me. You got egg on your face number of times…Pl. control your cockiness.

    You being a doctor can not be expert on everything especially fighter aircraft. You read Jane’s and other magazine whereas I work in the industry so please drop this ****..It is very bengali like..Why don’t you google F-35 (JSF) documentary and see for yourself if anything can be compared to JSF?

    However I still support choice of RAFALE because France can be far more reliable supplier compared to US.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont need to google for F35 , I follow its progress every month, some information again to educate you , the vertical take off and landing , like a helicopter,A BRITISH INVENTION only aircraft in the world to have this , is HARRIER jump jet.
    ROLLS ROYCE is bidding to provide the technology for the SVTOL. in JSF naval version.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Harrier is subsonic and much lighter..How can you compare a tin can with F35? Do you know how much F35 weighs? What is the max speed for F35?

    Harrier is basically helicopter with wings..It is not a invention but a joke.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Harrier’s speciality is vertical take off and landing.
    NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS LOST DURING FALKLAND CONFLICT.IT BROUGHT DOWN 20 ENEMY AIRCRAFT. USA DIDN’T BUY IT FOR NOTHING AS DID INDIA
    This SVTOL is acheived by thrust vectoring with special nozzles

    Anonymous Reply:

    Some further education, THE LATE DR SUBRAMANIUM, was not an engineer , he was an IAS. But being a genius that he was , couldn’t be constrained by Babu giri.
    HE FOUNDED INSTITUTE OF DEFENCE STUDIES , which analyses strategic matters , he is one who exposed that pakistani ghauri missile is NORTH KOREAN Non dong missile with green paint and half moon insignia .
    He did this by analysing the flight trajectory , height , width and other parameters of ghauri missile , also analysing the flight traffic between pakistan and north korea.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The problem with Vijay & Co. is because of the fact that the deal has been singed by the UPA government and whatever it does is automatically labeled as ’suspect’ without ever going into the merits/demerits of each. One brush fits all.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Dont sweep the comment too easily. I speak on facts.

    f-35 is a far better aircraft. It was on offer also

    Anonymous Reply:

    Am I wrong in making a sweeping statement above?

    That is your view – which aircraft is better. You – an expert on aeronautics?

    I would not doubt the integrity of the Air Force personnel and the Government in taking decisions in such serious matter or for that any other, unless there is proof to the contrary. For you (as the track record suggests) everything is ‘daal mein kaalaa’.

    There may be many other factors too – price, deliveries, transfer of technology, avoiding dependence on one country alone for our defence needs, etc. in the decision making process.

    I await an attack by your ‘guru’ and by another. Watch the space.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I too have full faith in the Air Force officers. But I dont have faith in the COngress which used the Army officers to get Bofors type kickbacks.

    The Rafale is NOT used by any other airforces outside France, my reservations. I have qualifed by saying that in case they are transferring all tech required for manufacturing maybe there is some merit then.

    As of your fear of attacks by my “guru’ you can check out with him. And yes I dont take any protection from anybody and neither should you — from Shan and Ravi and ENgrich :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Cingulste who ejaculates wrong facts

    I meant f-35 which was being offered by the US

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Cingulate who cannot ejaculate

    Please die defending the Fernch. Here is the question of buying a better aircraft which the French are NOT producing.

    As far as tech goes, you may love the idea of exploding silican breasts which the french pioneered, I dont.

    You may quote ten good french products– I can quote you 20 which dont work..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Now you walking down my alley. SILICONE IMPLANTS MADE BY FRENCH COMPANY used industrial grade silicone , not biological grade or compatible silicone , thus IT WAS ONE THIRD THE COST OF THE BIOLOGICAL GRADE.
    However it has been taken off the market.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy and Vijay Kumar,
    What is the basis of your comparison US / F22 aircrafts ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    RSS briefing paper!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,
    Why don’t you stick to Islamic Jihad, your area of expertise? You guys sit sn mosques talking nonsense about Amreeka and Hindostan..Paan Khao..and apni achkan tight karo..Jahil Ganvaar..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t you educate us? Looks like you are expert on everything..When was last time you entered any military-industrial complex?

    Rafale is comparable to F-22 but it stands nowhere in comparison to F-35 which US is ready to offer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Thx for correcting me. I meant F-35

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    Sorry mate!

    A long tennis game, a longer drive in a Delhi traffic jam, and shufflling between mail and this blog, got me into typing out 22 instead of F-35 !!

    F-35 wasw on offer. We should have gone for it.

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    engrich Reply:

    we should avoid american,as bring slavery.if u dont follow what they order,spare parts sale will be stopped.

  • Anonymous

    http://www.omantribune.com/index.php?page=news&id=111453&heading=India

    Another scam ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No evidence to show Patel took bribe: Canadian scribe

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/no-evidence-to-show-patel-took-bribe-canadian-scribe/907558/

    Excerpt

    In a series of tweets through the day, ‘The Globe and Mail’ scribe, Stephanie Nolen, made it clear that she had written only on allegations made against Patel by an Indian-born Canadian citizen, Nazir Karigar who is being prosecuted in Canada on charges of paying off Patel in a case in which a former Mumbai police chief also figures.

    “Praful Patel isn’t accused of taking the bribe. Canadian accused of saying he was going to pay it. Critical difference,” she said in one tweet.

    In another posting on the microblogging site, she said “I object to ppl (people) misquoting our story: regardless of what you think of Patel, evidence does not show he took bribe”.

    “No, a Canadian is accused of SAYING he bribed Praful Patel. Critical difference. Pls read our story”, read the third.

    ————–

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  • Pankaj#1

    The devil’s deal in UPA

    Written by Vir Sanghvi.
    how much true it sounds.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Read my comment on that blog. Sanghvi is not a journalist but a Congress apologist and propagandist.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay/Pankaj,
    I was watching ‘left-right-center’ on NDTV (Nehru Dynasty TV) moderated by pro-Congress Nidhi Razdan,
    Our Vinod Sharma came up with unique logic to defend Congress..According to him SC has put blame on Raja and NOT once mentioned anything about collective responsibility of Cabinet. This he claims is kind of clean chit to Manmohan.
    Isn’t it a given that in a democracy like India, it is collective responsibility of cabinet if anything goes wrong?
    These people especially Sharma and Sanghvi are inventing excuses to shield MMS and indirectly shield the real hand behind all scams, SoniaG. Nothing moves in Congress without SoniaG’s approval so how come she was not aware of 2G (CWG etc.) loot?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    i TOTALLY AGREE , Raja couldn’t have invented it out of thin air. CERTAINLY A DECISION OF THIS MAGNITUDE, though mind you this CORRUPT first come first serve was a BJP brainer , by no other than that dick head Arun shourie . The bit about moving the last date and time for submission may be raja’s invention.BOTTOM LINE IS 500 CRORE INTO SUN TV ROUTED THROUGH SAHID BALWA , this is Kanimozi and Raji on the ropes.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dick head Arun Shourie? Does not sound you are normal just now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan has habit of using abuse for everybody..Looks like he has never been disciplined in life either in school or home.

    The only people he respects are Bengalis of all colors..

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Though I agree with Shan on many point but he is too much regional. I like every Indian, Bengalis and Cow belt people alike.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Software writers do not have any regulatory authority , unlike doctors , like the GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL. One false move in my job , WILL COST SOME ONE’S LIFE. Also we do not have the luxury to validate the software umpteen times over a BIG MAC and DUNKIN DONUT AND BASKIN ROBINS cookie dough icecream

    Anonymous Reply:

    i AM PRETTY NORMAL ALSO I DO NOT HAVE A TUNNEL VISION , unlike the petulance of Naqsbandi who growing up in an hostile enviornment in the college had been turned into a angry young man full of MALCONTENT.
    Arun Shourie can Orianna Fallaci run for its money in ISLAMOPHOBIA. He has half baked knowledge , and BLAMES MUSLIMS FOR ALL THE ILL THAT AFLICTS INDIA.
    It is not unreasonable to call him a DICK HEAD

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ha, Shan,
    You are Calling Arun shourie half baked. He is beyond you. Chapter is closed for me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am trying to OPEN YOUR MIND even though the chapter is closed

    “There was a time when I was a frequent diner in the Shouries’ household in Delhi…. At one of the Shouries’ dinner parties, among other guests was [editor, columnist, activist] Kuldip Nayar. The conversation was largely about L.K. Advani‘s Rath Yatra in 1990 from the temple of Somnath to Ayodhya.

    “I had no doubt that the exercise was undertaken with evil intent to destroy Babri Masjid.

    “Passing by, Arun remarked: “Who says it is a mosque?”

    “I was taken aback.

    “Kuldip Nayar said, ‘Professor Sahib, did you hear what he [Arun] said?’ (Both he and [former Delhi high court judge] Rajinder Sachar call me professor sahib since they were students of the law College, Lahore and I was a lecturer.)

    “I could not hold back and said to Shourie, ‘Arun, have you ever seen any building with three domes and a wall facing Makka which is not a mosque?’ He did not reply. Since then we have been on opposite sides; he on the mosque breakers’. I wanted them to be arrested and punished for the criminal act of vandalism.

    “I stopped associating with Arun Shourie. I read of his rise to eminence as a cabinet minister and a member of the BJP’s think-tank. His book on Dr B.R. Ambedkar offended Dalits. He was roughed up by them while presiding over a meeting in Mumbai. Being hurt himself he wanted to hurt other people.

    “He has taken every opportunity to display his disadvantaged son in his wheel chair. I feel very sorry for him but no longer admire him.”

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Reading only first line, reminded me of Khushwant singh’s column. I vividly remember that column and since then, stopped reading Khushwant, whom I loved to read during my college days. Still remember one column in either Illustrated weekly or may be in H.T. that compared bombay and Delhi. praising Bombay as more open, cosmopolitan city where his left hand practiced caressing posteriors of lovely women and Delhi, where it is not posible to do this. Ha Khushwant’s
    literary out put and quality fades in comparison to Shouri. It is said that Baman, Kutta, Nau; Jaat dekh gurrao. Could it be some journalistic….

    Anonymous Reply:

    I never said that atmosphere was hostile, It was too pro-muslim and ignored others. The only difference is I always stood up to muslim goons whereas my hindu bengali classmates hid in Canteen.

    engrich Reply:

    rajeev here i agree with u.but goons are few
    remaining must have been normal.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hindu bengali classmates in ?in a cow belt college , doesn’t sound right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please visit some cow belt cities..Bengalis are everywhere living in rented houses with Baba Adam furniture.

    Abhijeet Bhattacharya is from Kanpur.

    engrich Reply:

    arun shorie is a cia agent in india like subramanayam swami.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you Rajeev. I have never said that Sonia G. is blameless. But at the same time I feel, in order to save government (good/ bad) they kept on compromising with mega Corruption. that is my feeling. I may be wrong/ right.
    Now kapil Sibbal and Vinod are resorting to semantics. UPA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ROT. WHATEVER THE REASON.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    SPIN doctors khamosh NO MORE !

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    Here is difference between NDA’s first come first serve policy and UPA’s use of same policy. You have started slamming BJP even without comparing two different times when FCFS policy was implemented by NDA and UPA.

    Please read this to understand the issue-
    http://www.firstpost.com/business/first-come-first-served-sibals-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-again-202676.html

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    SORRY MATE, there is NO DIFFERENCE , THE BARMY CONCEPT IS A BRAINCHILD OF NDA GOVT FULLSTOP. The contexyt malaki and the massive demand business has NO RELEVANCE . YES UPA should have scrapped it .But to INVENT A NON EXISTENT DIFFERENCE , only shows certain people are CRIPPLED IN MIND BY THE WEIGHT OF THEIR OWN PREJUDICE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s your interpretation because you did not bother to read the blog. It is your ego that is stopping you from accepting logic.

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  • Anonymous

    The main reason Rafale is selected because France can be a trusted supplier and will provide excellent after sales support whereas US goes by its own rules (whims and fancies) and may disrupt supplies of part citing some stupid US law. US can not be a trusted supplier and partner for Indian defence.

    After Russia (after the aircraft carrier fiasco, not any more), Israel and France can be reliable defence suppliers and partners.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ I dont see India in conflict with US interests for the next 30 years so we could have gone for the F-35 which was being offered. There could be no disrution of spares for this reason.

    The chances of spare parts disruption is negligible, in case an inventory is built up from inception.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Conflict or not but US has never been a reliable supplier.

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  • Anonymous

    The main reason RAFALE was selected because it is an outstanding aircraft , which passed some 568 tests conducted over a period of 5 yrs.
    Making flippant remarks is free on the blog , just that loweers the standard of the blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I guess you are just stuck with ‘Rafale is better’..Typical Bengali behavior..

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  • Anonymous

    @ Cingulate who ejaculates wrong facts”

    a) F-35 was on offer to the Indian airforce. If you want I can post the comparison here between the rafale and F-35

    b) Pakistan has F-16’s which have almost Rafake like capabilities.

    c) The only justification for Rafale can be IN CASE TECH TRANSFER FOR MANUFACTURING IS DONE LOCK STCOK AND BARREL TO INDIA.

    Otherwise there is no comparison

    Dont be obsessed with wrong facts. French tech is no longer the acme of perfection. The time and mindset has gone where student indians looke3d upto France, UK or US.

    here INDIAN MONEY is being spent. All the companies of the world are at your doorsteps. There is no reason for going in for the second best

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    engrich Reply:

    avoid americans.any time they can put embargo on their spare parts.importing their fighter is importing slavery.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ponty Chaddha’s brethren with ponty chadha’s brain.
    F35 will cost 130 million a piece , it is not ready for another 10 yrs, US SENATE HAS HAULED UP BOEING FOR ASTRONOMICAL SHOOT OF PRICE AND TECHNICAL SNAGS.
    A country that cannot provide CLEAN DRINKING WATER , to buy 130 million a piece fighter aircraft , HINDUSTAN WILL SOON BECOME PORKISTAN

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~~ A PRAYER FOR OUR DEAR VINOD SHARMA ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    Dear Vinodji

    Please get your Rajya Sabha seat fast.
    we all will get a chance to dine in the rajya Sabha, at last

    But with you there
    We will have parties galore

    The UPA is now a three legged horse
    It will collapse before it runs the full course

    With MMS as always reclusive
    It is you who finds for the UPA all the excuses

    If you want we will announce

    ” A BOOKER PRIZE FOR THE BEST EXCUSES FOR UPA’S CHASTITY !!!! “

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  • Anonymous

    A sad commentary on DRDO who was suppose to give LCA almost a decade back..Read how delay in LCA development resulted in Rafale deal..

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/ColumnsOthers/Mayday-mayday/Article1-806328.aspx

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  • Anonymous

    Can education reform muslim mind? Osama, Enrich, Ravi are examples of muslims who did not change even after getting high education.

    Here is another example, the ideologue of Indian Mujahideen…

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Founding-IM-member-an-engineer-arrested/Article1-806458.aspx

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    engrich Reply:

    u have millions like him.most of ur middle is infected with voilent ideologies.
    all ur holy books are nothing but war stories in which millions were killed.it is only ur bhagwans who comes for ethenic cleansing and loaded with deadly weapons.
    it is only u people whose thinking power is being crushed are ready to accept any bullshit which semi-educated illitrate saffrons say.

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  • Anonymous

    Don’t tie down the India of ideas
    Pulapre Balakrishnan

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2858027.ece?homepage=true

    Excerpt

    We need to free our universities from the stifling rules and quantitative targets which govern academic hiring and promotion.

    ———

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod sharma live on NDTV with Barkha Dutt giving his own spin on SC observation..This guy is beyond shameless..

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    Here is another blog explaining how FCFS was manipulated by Raja (and of course Congress). It is explained with a brilliant example..I hope this will help you..

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech-now/entry/decoding-2g-scam-for-the-3-idiots-generation

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    it would have helped our idiot friend, cingulate if it was written by some ‘gora’ hack or a Bengali jholawala.

    Sorry, this has been written by a TAMBRAM, it is useless for cingulate.

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    engrich Reply:

    raja is used but treated so badly because he is dalit.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Wrong! He was corrupt that is why

    ever wondered why you are treated with contempt?

    Becasue you are a moron who tries to brainwash people with funny propoganda.

    See the truth and then post a comment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    eng-rich is rich only in name; he is very poor in comprehension, manners and shame.

    engrich Reply:

    this is what i can see,when pundit sukhram committed same crime,still this twice born is out.

    engrich Reply:

    he was corrupt so many others are but speially harsn to him why.pundit sukhram still out though 20-30 years have passed.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Digviash/duryodhian SIngh, Engrich and Ravi will go on a hunger strike for the release of this innocent.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Very interesting read. The writer has described the episode of 2G application
    submitting in and very nice humorous way.

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  • Anonymous

    Arnold Schwarznegger could not visit Taj Mahal because of Friday prayers.

    http://www.timesunion.com/entertainment/article/Schwarzenegger-visits-Taj-Mahal-finds-it-closed-3000741.php

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why should we treat a WHITE man any differently? We can not inconvenience Indian muslims for some foreigner.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Schwarznegger cannot vote in India. Why should he be pleased ?

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    engrich Reply:

    good he is bloody zoinist and racialist.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Engrich , ULLO ki bhi hudh hoti hai,
    Scwarzeneger’s FATHER WAS A FULL BLOWN NAZI IN AUSTRIA,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Kuch ullu aise hote hai jinkee koi had nahi hoti.

    engrich Reply:

    u also read above and correct urself.i will not use bad words though i know the iq level of dubai banias.

    engrich Reply:

    i did not say that he is jew.i say he is zoinist.for a zoinist t u have not to be jew.churchill was zoinist so the trueman.i know he ias roman catholic.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So ENGRICH you think NAZIs were ZIONIST
    there is Z in both.
    Churchill was an ANTI SEMITE.
    Recent discovery of letters shows that, he writes
    “Jews need to think why of all people they invite the ire of other people”

    engrich Reply:

    mother of churchill and hitler both were jew.hitler was playing game.jewish religion goes with mother.if he wanted to hurt jews he could easily attack switzerland and take their wealth.something which was neede in war.figure of 6 million is fraud.game was played to occupy palestine on sympathy wave.
    from all sides it is christians who were being killed and jews were making money.all top generals of hitler(some say even hitler)was provided asylum in latin america.without knowledge and help of jews they could not have reached there.europeans wanted to get rid of jews.first they planned for uganda but later due discovery of oil palestine was choosen.
    zoinists are some time anti-semite.semitic speak hebrw while zoinists (mainstream)peak yeddish.in israel also yeddish speaking jews dont allow hebrew speaking in their school.
    but 90%of jews are not zoinist and many christian even muslims are zoinist.joe biden vice president of america declared many times that he is zoinist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    MOSSAD will be coming after you , for saying Hitler’s GRAND FATHER was a jew. (there is no rumour on the mother’s side)
    IT WAS A RUMOUR PLANTED BY HANS FRANK AT NUREMBERG TRIAL
    “Recent researches have further shaken credibility of this statememt so that the whole notion can scarcely stand serious investigation”
    Joachim Fest “HITLER” , page 15
    para 32-33

    engrich Reply:

    they know ell that he was jew.it waas game to create israel.his mother was a jew.so the churchill.that is why there is 5 years jail for investigating this matter.

    engrich Reply:

    NAZIs

    word nazi has come from ashknazi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    the word NAZI is a corruption of the word NATSI , which stands for NATIONAL SOCIALIST , the party of Hitler
    Ab to Sudhro

    engrich Reply:

    shan u known i am from gaali hamari madree jaban hai.i always write things with full confidense.

    engrich Reply:

    shan u known i am from up

  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    The link about bribery charges on Praful Patel I had posted is a very small issue.

    Read this long interesting article which appeared in Caravan as how during the
    tenure of Praful Patel, Air India incurred huge losses.

    http://www.caravanmagazine.in/Story/1186/Tailspin.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I am aware of it. The single biggest mistake he made was to merge the two airlines – the benefits that were supposed to accrue have not materialised, on the contrary have made things worse. One of the worst decisions taken. I wish the two airlines are demerged and over a period of time privatized.

    The PSU airlines have always been misused by the politicians and the bureaucrats, treating it as freeloading entities.

    Until 1977, under the chairmanship of J R D Tata, Air India was nation’s pride and world’s envy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There was no need for a struggling country to “own” an airline; it was Pandit Nehru’s vanity to nationalize and take over.

    Nehru was a honest man; he did not steal. But not the subsequent ministries.

    The issue is that politicians and bureaucrats will steal and steal big whenever Govt owns /runs anything – be it airlines or NREGA or the UP healthcare or the Bihar cattle fodder, the list is endless.

    And all political parties bring in “parliamentary superiority” when there is a public protest/

    I wish if Maoists killed few politicians and high ranking bureaucrats…

    Or like in China we should parade these corrupt ones

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    you are right in saying that Nehru was a man who didn’t steal. But he had a deputy, who was a man of steel, but didn’t know how to get the best out of him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    We can discuss whether so and so was needed or not (also whether was any nefarious intent) at any point in time till the cows and bulls come home. A decision is not taken just because subsequently there would be hanky-panky.

    As I have stated above, till such time J R D Tata was the Chairman of the AI (for 26 years), there was no problem with Air India -operationally, financial or otherwise. No whiff of corruption.

    Yes, that has been our bane – politicians and bureaucrats have used public sector undertakings for their own ends at the cost of the exchequer.

    Regarding political parties – claiming ‘parliamentary superiority’ has nothing to do with probity or lack of it. Parliament would be supreme, even if each of the 540+ MPs were corrupt or criminals.

    Killing some of them or parading them is an extreme solution to solve the problem. It would be OK in Talibanistan or in China, not in democratic set-ups – where the principal is unless proven guilty by a court of law, the person is assumed to be innocent. Punishment is always in proportion to the degree of wrongdoing / crime. Killing (‘death sentence only in the rarest of the rare cases’) and parading them would not be one of them.
    We can discuss this too till such time cows and bulls …….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Fear is a motivator..all these low lives hide under the cover of democracy.. laws should be passed (which the “superior” parliament and assemblies will not) that anybody convicted of public loot will be killed or paraded or whatever..
    This is a banana republic!

    Anonymous Reply:

    We will agree to disagree as to the whats, whys and hows of tackling problems of the country.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    You are labeling the huge loss as a mistake only? Not a singly paisa was stolen ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    What other word should I use?

    Just because a decision went wrong, does it mean there was corruption or any hanky-panky (there may have been)
    ?

    1) My reply does not absolve him or accuses him one way or the other.

    How can anyone accuse of anyone of corruption or any wrong doing without any prima facie evidence? That may be your style, not mine.

  • Anonymous

    There was discussion on quality/superiority of aircrafts manufactured by France and US. I am not an expert on this subject, however please read this about one of the
    most famous aircraft a380 manufactured now facing problems. by Airbus headquartered in France. I have a ticket booked on 380 next month to Malaysia
    and my wife has asked to change the flights.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2012/01/09/airbus-a380-jets-should-be-grounded-say-engineers-115875-23692200/

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    engrich Reply:

    but america will freeze supply spare parts if india starts working according its national interest instead of americans.
    i gulf american cars are not seen much because of manufacturing defects.same with their airconditioners.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I had flown to and back from calcutta on an airbus A380 SUPER JUMBO flown by Emirates

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  • Anonymous

    Lot of links have been provided by fellow blogger including myself, need some time
    to go through all these.
    I will be in India for about three weeks and will not be able to visit this blog regularly
    – I know i won’t be missed – . Meanwhile please read this

    Joke of the day.
    A small businessman from Kanpur went to Delhi for purchasing. There he met his
    ex girl friend and the old love re-kindled. He forgot about his purchasing and started
    spending more and more time with this girl and both started having ‘fun’ together.
    After about a week he called his wife and told her that
    purchasing is still not over, it will take him few more days. Again after few days he
    called his wife and repeated the same story that purchasing is still on, it will take
    him few more days to return back. When one month passed his wife called and told
    him ‘ If you don’t come back immedeatly than whatever you are purchasing there I will
    start selling that here ‘. Next flight this gentleman was back to Kanpur

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Gud one !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like the fellow had a lot of “purchasing power”.

    I doubt whether, despite the threat, his wife had “goods” that was not past its “sell by” date.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    You are assuming the age of that lady. May be they were newly married.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mohan

    सर्किट: मुन्ना भाई अमेरिकेन प्रेसिडेंट कहाँ रहता है.

    मुन्ना भाई: धोबी घाट पर.

    सर्किट: धोबी घाट क्या

    मुन्ना भाई: अरे उसे Washing Town कहते रे

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Mohan,
    Have a nice time. Just to inform I have repayed my loan (posting on RSS). Hope, both of us will stay fit and healthy for some more time. But in case if anything happens to me, I don’t want to to die having someones debt or curse behind me:)

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~ congress evolves from ~ MODI MODI, RAPE RAPE to RAJA RAJA RAPE RAPE!!~
    —————————————————————————————————————————-

    The COngress has a new tune now. Sab kuch Raja hi ne kiya hai !!

    Wah Wah Wah !!

    Just before this 2G verdict was to come out it, even foisted some insults on our valiant scientists who gave us the success story of Chandrayan. Technocrats can make mistakes, but to sully them to hide your own skin speaks of cowardice.

    Anything to protect the Chotta baba,

    Even if all the decisons were taken by Rja and the kickbacks limited to the DMK, the cabinet should resign as the final decisons were taken by them.

    But where is the moral courage?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Moral and courage. These two words are not in the dictionary of Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Let us all contribute and send the COngress a truck fold of dictionaires…

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  • Anonymous

    Sometime back Vinod Sharma Sahib had written that the BJP requires another Atalji. We said , more than that, it is the Congress which requires another Lal Bahadur Shastri. So Rajeev should not be surprised if Mr Vinod Sharma defends the Mnamohan and his Council of Ministers on TV with a fig leaf that the SC has not named the PM or his Council of Ministers.
    And no wonder if the CBI court refusing to name Chidambaram the country’s Home Minister as a co-conspirator is touted as a big victory for the UPA.

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  • Ravi

    Defence Procurement is a multi-stage fairly long drawn out process. All that has happened so far is that France has been given the most favoured supplier status. India still has the option to change its mind and there is no guarantee that it may not.

    Reading the views of highly qualified aeronautics experts – who permanently throng this blog – it is difficult not to form the impression, war has ended and Pakistan F-35 beat the shit out of RAFALE. Well-educated Doctors, dubious civil engineers and congenital morons alike have felt the urge to opine on the matter, as if they themselves would have done the job better than those whose real job it is.

    Statements amounting to – nation’s security has been compromised for the sake of a large bribe, are being bandied about with complete impunity. Not surprising when one reads from the same sources, that Sonia Gandhi is a Catholic, Italian Fascist, and is running the country for the benefit of Italian Fascism.

    To those who are bored with this tittle tattle, I recommend a game spot Walter Mitty(S), here.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps you missed what I had posted earlier ,here you have it , which is exactly what you took so many lines to establish
    “The main reason RAFALE was selected because it is an outstanding aircraft , which passed some 568 tests conducted over a period of 5 yrs”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    While this may be the right deal, we have a history of bad stuff throughout – CWG, Spectrum, Adarsh, Mining licenses, Health Scheme in UP (three doctors/dist collectors were killed there in addition to multimulti crores stealing), the current NREG funds looting… the list is endless…

    Congress steals more because they have more opportunities.

    The saving grace is that once a while a bureaucrat and a project turns out as a shining example of what we should be – like the Metro and Sri E Sridharan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If there was/is any wrongdoing in other decisions, does not mean the Government should stop taking decisions. It is happening now – paralysis seems to have set in the present set-up, as a result.the progress and development (whatever there is and whatever their worth) is coming to a halt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ManoharT , you are absolutely right , when will indians learn to see the wood instead of trees, ADARSH is a minor distraction , not worth talking , EVERY COUNTRY HAS SUCH ABBERATIONS. All the LEAKAGE in Govt scheme will vanish in one stroke , JUST ASK NILEKANI , OR MOHAN DAS PAI OR AZIM PREMJI or for that maytter RETIRED ARMY PERSONNEL to form NON PROFIT ORGANISATION , like so many in western countries AND HAND OVER THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND ASK THEM TO COME UP WITH SCHEMES

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh Yes so much is made of Delhi Metro , CALCUTTA MTERO WAS BUILT WITH MOSTLY INDIAN KNOWHOW, and was operational 15yrs before delhi metro.
    Delhi Metro is 100% japanese funded with the string attached , so it is 100% japanese technology

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Shan

    I referred to Delhi metro not for its indigenous technology, but for its corruption-less execution.

    btw Sridharan led the planning and execution of Kolkotta metro too.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan & Gopi

    If the right person is at the top – there are lesser chances of mischief. I doubt it can be completely eliminated.

    Delhi Metro is one prime and most recent example. Amul was another (it was supposed to be an experiment in co-operative development and a benchmark). Popatrao Pawar transforming his village another.

    The list is very long. Equally long list of projects where everything seemed to have gone wrong.

    My view, the less things the Government puts its fingers and toes into, the better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    “If the right person is at the top – there are lesser chances of mischief. I doubt it can be completely eliminated.”

    Kalmadi’s appointment as CEO of CWG was opposed by three successive sports ministers.

    Yet, he was found to be “THE RIGHT PERSON” by none other than Sonia Gandhi.

    And as she expected, he did a splendid job and the money went into the right accounts and he went to the right place-Tihar jail.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    If you were to believe them, the decision to go in for French aircraft is the result of ‘plan hatched’ in 1940s. This is how the ‘plan’ has been ‘executed’. There are two stages.

    1) Indira Nehru marries Feroze ‘Khan’. Others, especially Mahatma Gandhi, intervenes and convinces Feroze Khan to convert to the Parsi faith (such conversions are not permissible by them is besides the point and nobody answers the questions why could he have not become a Hindu and still adopt the surname ‘Gandhi’) and adopt the family name as ‘Gandhi’. With Gandhi as the surname to go with Nehru, what else the family needed, they get to own the Congress party.

    2) The next step in this ‘master plan’ ( an opportunity sensed by the western vested interests- fascists and what have you) was to send Sonia Gandhi to UK (by these vested interests) to woo and wed Rajiv Gandhi (who happened to be at the right place at the right time), come to India and at the opportune time become the President of the party and have her way/say in all matters.

    Now would not this make a wonderful story line for authors of pure ‘reality’, as opposed to pure ‘fiction’? I am wondering as to what should be the title of this magnum opus?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    If defence procurement is a long winded process, then Catholicisation (Master Plan) of the country is an even longer process.

    As you know there has been a very sharp decline in India’s Hindu population. Mark my words it is not total population, which is on the increase thanks to Muslims and Catholics. Only the proportion of Hindu’s is in decline.

    People in droves are becoming Catholics, all because the image of Mother and Child is so alluring. Conversion posters are displayed everywhere on Delhi Metro, showing Sonia Gandhi and Rahul in Nativity poses very reminiscent of Raphael’s Pantings, which has been contemporised by including in it the outline of a RAFAEL.

    The image is a seductive mixture of divinity, maternity, dynasty, corruptibility, die nasties and Blake Carrington.

    No wonder the desh bhagats and sutardharis are up in arms and rallying around Arun Shourie the right wing shallow polemicist.

    I fear peace loving Hinduism is under mortal threat, this noblest of all religions in the world is being overwhelmed by un-interrupted foreign funded violent conversions.

    What can anyone do, except vote for BJP in UP to make sure that far away Orissa will remain Hindu.

    All is not lost, Leicester today has declared that it’s English and Ethnic Hindu Population – in 40 years since Idi Amin threw out Indians from Uganda – has reached a 50:50 proportion. A rise, rapid by any measure.

    Let the abuse begin.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    There is a correction.

    ‘peace loving Hinduism is under mortal threat.

    It is indeed a peace loving religion, but it is not under threat, even if it were so then it is very strong to withstand any assault, as historically evident for more than 1000 years.

    The ‘religion’ that is under ‘threat’ goes by the name ‘ ‘Hindutvawad’ – the hegemonist deviant which is sought to be imposed on this country. To add weight and make it more ‘attractive’ – concepts like nationalism and patriotism (the flag waving and the works) have been blended with the ‘religious’ rituals and practices.
    What a ‘deadly’ (pun intended) combo – an attempt to marry the spiritual and the temporal.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I could not have put it better myslef.

    engrich Reply:

    answers the questions why could he have not become a Hindu

    hindu is not converted hindu is born.ghandhi was national leader.why he wanted this change.it means he as hypocrat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have completely missed the intent of my post.

    There is no law or anything that prevents a person from choosing to become a Hindu and declaring it as such.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh u have finally come out of the rat hole… to mouth out drivel !

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  • Anonymous

    @RajeevS, This is what you wrote
    “sad commentary on DRDO who was suppose to give LCA almost a decade back..Read how delay in LCA development resulted in Rafale deal..”

    Some further tutorial which will show I follow these matters with same zeal as my own vocation.
    LCA is a very good aircraft , IT IS THE LIGHTEST aircraft due extensive use of alloys ans carbon composites. The design is BANG UP TO DATE.This far good.
    Now the problem, THE ENGINE, it could not produce required thrust , last i read it was traced to the COMPRESSOR, one would have thought they can come up with al alternate design. It is still undergoing high altitude endurance test after being strapped on the belly of a TUPLEOV aircraft.
    Saab Viggen , despite being an advanced aircraft USES GE 426 engines.FROM USA.
    So we are stuck at the engine front.
    Lot of other technology appropriation has been carried out, like HUD display .
    RADAR is ANOTHER BIG PROBLEM.
    DRDO made tall claims , but when it came to the crunch , they were no where near.
    They have approached ERICSSON of sweden for help.
    NOW WHY THIS HAPPENS.
    Read my commentary on the state of Engineers in India on this blog few days back, you will get the answers.More precise reasons that I feel I have unearthed , by researching DRDO websites is as follows
    One has to accept THE CREAMY LAYER of BRAINS ALL END UP IN IIT.
    Now remember what NATURE magazine said”IIT’S are the greatest gift of India to USA”
    All the technical personnel on the different DRDO labs are all graduates of SMALL LOCAL engineering college(their biodata is available on the web)
    ALSO THERE IS NO INVOLVEMENT OF WORLD CLASS MANAGEMENT INPUT , in the way of PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
    Even the designation is so amateurish, SCALE A , SCALE B etc , the pay is no where near the pvt sector.
    LASTLY LOT OF TECHNOLOGY NEEDS TO BE STOLEN , every country does INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE , india’s RAW IS SHIT IN THIS MATTER

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LFRVIOI6U65P3PTWRT2JJIGHZY Mahesh

    Vijay Kumar,
    Back to Raffale.
    As Ravi states below – when doing a deal this big and important several aspects are considered. There are no clear-cut and exact answers. Relative technical superiority in certain aspects is just one aspect of it. Just because F-35s can be bought doesn’t necessarily mean they are the best fit for our needs. Or , maybe , at some later date these would be bought as well. Who knows ?
    However, that is all besides the point. What rather prompted my question was the ease and absolute certainity with which the conclusion about corruption was reached.
    And that too without any much of reasoning offered.
    Maybe – and just maybe – you are correct. But then where is supporting reasoning ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh

    Our “leaders” and govt have taken us to a stage that all citizens (or a majority or educated people like Viju) suspect foul play in any deals done by govt.

    On a side note, the rumour in Kerala is that Sonia Gandhi put Anthony in charge of defence so the powers that may be can steal big from the huge defence funds putting the clean incorruptible non corrupt Gandhian in front.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    ‘Rumour’!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    For all other forms of corruption, the squeakily clean, dumb, docile, ever-bending, ever-ready-to-take-any-shit MMS is already there, waiting for the next scandal to hit his so called government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy-
    I am more and more coming to the conclusion that parliamentary democracy is not the right system of govt for a large populous country like India. I am coming closer and closer to a “Modified Chinese” system!

    Ravi Reply:

    That is a shame

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have answered this in a later posting.

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  • Anonymous

    Mahesh , perhaps it has escaped your attention F35 will cost 130 million dollar a piece , not ready for another 10yrs, A COUNTRY WHERE 50% OF THE POPULATION IS MALNOURISHED , to buy F35 , is simply a criminal act.Also whom are we fighting PAKISTAN , a country that has as much friend as North Korea, as for chinese Chengdu , whatever IAF has got in its inventory can deal a fatal blow to the chinese CERTAINLY SUKHOI 30MKI , is the best combat aircraft in the world.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    Though agree that in our society, there are so many weakspots of inadequate nourishment, illiteracy etc.. neglecting defence and compromising on defence is not the solution. Neglecting defence was practiced by Nehru and India paid a heavy price for it in 62, 65 etc. By the same token, developing BOMB and Missiles would also be termed as wastage, but these are the weapons, which are securing our borders, as we are surrounded by hostiles hell bent to undermine us. Present weaponary has secured peace for last so many decades. Now, government of the day should go, full throttle to ameliorate suffering of masses. remove corruption, streamline distribution, increase agriculture, quality of education, Health Care etc. Would suggest you to read” guns,germs and Steel” by JARED DIAMOND to understand human evoultion and its predatory nature.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    I do not feel competent to write about F-35 or Raffale.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    you are right on all the points.

    Nehru kept the country poor right from ‘47, with his half-baked ideas of socialism, mixed economy and what-have-you. And he also kept our defences in extremely poor rag-tag conditions. Result: We were dealt crisp, crushing, humiliating defeat in 1962 by China. To rub it in, another rag tag army of Ayub Khan almost defeated us in 1965.

    Therefore, keeping our defences in disarray, weak, and ill-equipped is no answer to out fast-multiplying masses being kept well fed and healthy. Both are absolutely absolutely necessary.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys
    Looks like US will go to war with Iran. The noise level has increased with news leaks, experts commenting on bunker busters, war strategies and with Fox channel constantly presenting the catastrophe if Iran gets nukes. The right wing always wanted an attack, and now the left is slowly made to believe. The republican senators/congressmen have started openly criticizing the president that he does not care about the vulnerable Jews of Israel!!

    I read the comments here on the potential corruption in the fighter jet procurement – an interesting development happened here this week – house passed a bill preventing congressmen from “insider trading”.

    Senators and congressmen could buy/sell stocks, make investments based on the bills under consideration or companies under investigation, before the information was public. Senate may endorse the house bill and put a stop to this, or they may find some loophole not to pass this so they can continue to profit from this insider trading deal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Benoy

    “Senate may endorse the house bill and put a stop to this, or they may find some loophole not to pass this so they can continue to profit from this insider trading deal”.

    Even if passed, other means will be found. As the former Chief Justice of India – Harish Khare has stated that corruption like water finds its own level.

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  • pankaj#1

    Rajeev;
    Since our discussion about castes took place a day or two before, I would not discuss it any more. I would like to share my perception of opportunism at an opportune time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    I agree. It is waste of time to talk about casteism because both of us reject caste system. We should try to spread same kind of mindset in others as well.

    When you said Shan is bit regional, I evaluated myself on caste, language and regional factors and found that-
    1. I have no friends from my own caste.
    2. I have only 2 hindi speaking friends.
    3. Most of my friends are south Indians and some bengalis.
    4. I have some christians friends who adore me.
    5. My closest friend is a muslim (liberal) who finds current muslim mentality regressive and he is from Pakistan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Can u expand on the word “adore” ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Because they are girls ;)

  • Anonymous

    Let us hope we are procuring the best defence jets.
    At the same time let us citizens make sure we and our leaders are anchored in;

    “Ahimsa paramo dharma
    Sthatham himsa param thapa
    Ahimsa paramam sathyam
    Yatho Dharma pravartha te “‘ (Mahabhratha, Anushasan Parva, 115.23)

    This is the constant rejuvenation; and our Mahathmaji constantly uttered, even when he was shot.

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  • Anonymous

    Could someone please tell me why is Mr. A Raja in jail?

    Is it because:
    a) he fixed the spectrum prices at 2001 level
    b) played with the dates of application, or
    c) both

    If the answer is only (b), then definitely Mr. Chidambaram couldn’t be held guilty of the charge and hence can’t be made a co-accused. However, if the answer is (a) or (c), then I am sure the higher courts may allow him to be made an accused in the case along with Mr. A Raja as and when Mr. Swamy approaches them.

    The other charge against Mr. Chidambaram was ragarding allowing the two companies to dilute their share even before rolling out their services. The Hon’ble court has found nothing wrong with it. The fact that one of the foreign companies has a significant stake in Pakistan Telecom couldn’t help Mr. Swamy’s case either.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    I think Sonia Gandhi should be sent to prison, for one of the following reasons:

    a) She is the ventriloquist, whilst Raja was just her dummy.
    b) For as long as she is around, BJP may not win any elections.
    c) Insert here any other reason one’s imagination can dream up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi,

    You are being disingenuous here. I had a very innocent query and Sonia Gandhi was nowhere involved in my post.

    Why this Kolaveri di?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ishwar

    Guilty as charged.

    It was not really aimed at you.

    My appologies

    Anonymous Reply:

    Apology is a very rare species indeed on this blog. Kudos.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    Shri Vinod Sharma was on Times TV, gloating over the “huge relief” given to Chidambaram by the trial court. He was showing great righteous anger at Swamy not showing deference to the trial court judge. What a farce!

    As soon as the Ayodhya verdict was given by the three judges of the Allahabad High court, the entire media tore the judgement to pieces, called the judges’ integrity into question and said only the SC can restore sanity and sanctity to the issue. Some of the Muslim leaders like Assaduddin Owaisi condemned the judges and also the judgement, called the ASI biased in favour of the Hindus etc.

    Here, today, the lowest court has, with the limited evidence put before it by the CBI, thought it clever and expedient to give its decision, which, for all practical purposes, seems a pre-determined one. How can anybody in his senses say that this is the final judgement?

    After all, the judge must be young, aspiring to rise higher and knows fully well that whichever way he decides, it is going to be challenged in a higher court.

    So, in my opinion, this decision of the trial court is nothing if not an expedient one, clever one and interim in its effect.

    I wish Vinod Sharma shows the maturity the political editor of HT needs to show, and accepts the fact that this case attracted world wide attention only because convincing evidence by way of government documents, file notings and proceedings of meetings have been stacked up against Chidambaram.

    Sadly, the trial judge chose to ignore these, as he seemed to have already closed his mind.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    I have gone through the entire text of the judgement. The Hon’ble clearly says that he has gone through all the evidence procured and produced by Mr. Swamy and the various precedences in regards to “what can be called a criminal conspiracy” and found that Mr. Chidambaram was only involved in a policy decision which is his prerogative by virtue of his position as a Union minister and can’t be questioned.

    He goes on to further say that even if his decision has resulted in a loss to the exchequer, it still can’t be called a conspiracy unless it results in gains for himself. That’s why I was wondering if a different judge in a higher court can make a different observation. I guess not.

    Mr. Swamy needs to work a bit harder and somehow prove that the beneficiaries of the scam were people beyond Mr. Raja and his clan.

    The sad thing is an individual can only do so much and no more. CBI being under the control of Mr. Chidambaram is not going to help either.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Have high regards for Chidambaram but there are many types of corruption. Two of them,one for monetary and second compromising for votes ( as was credited for V.P. Singh). To me, Chidambaram and MMS are free of Monetary corruption but have compromised to continue their government, despite in full know of the activities of Raja( Modern day Raja, not Dalit- this for Engrich).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    He is accused of fiddling with the dates, informing only a select few, thus eliminating level playing field and the related corruption – the money trail to companies close to DMK.

    Dilution of stakes in companies comes under the purview of the Ministry of Corporate Affairs, if at all permission is required to do so. I am not sure if there was a clause in the agreement (re: sale of spectrum) prohibiting dilution of stakes before services were rolled out. Perhaps you know better. Was there one? If so, then who cleared the dilution?

    There cannot be any wrong doing in fixing the price and whether to auction or sell on FCFB principle, as long as the process is transparent.

    ———–

    I am against auction of spectrum or any other resources. True, lot of funds get added to the state coffers via this route. The question is who pays for the increased costs – ultimately the consumer. The fact that the 3G auction fetched Rs 60000 + crores will be borne by the consumer. Higher costs will act as deterrent for people to use the services.

    My view is that a reasonable price be fixed and invite bids. If there are more bids, then employ lottery system to allocate the resource(s). The process has to be transparent with level playing field for all the qualified and eligible entities.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks Manohar,

    If Mr. Raja is only accused of fiddling with dates (how blatantly silly!!), then it would be very difficult to prove that Mr. Chidambaram was also a part of the conspiracy.

    What surprises me is the fact that the NDA govt’s decision that everyone talks about in defence of Mr. Chidambaram says: ” “Sub-clause (3) The Departmental of Telecom and the Ministry of Finance would discuss and finalize spectrum pricing formula, which will include incentive for efficient use of spectrum as well as disincentive for suboptimal usages”.

    Now, if the Ministry of Finance needed to be consulted before finalising the pricing and eventually issuing licences, how could Mr. Raja have ignored the then FM’s advice. What was Mr. Chidambaram’s responsbility at that time?

    In my opinion, Mr. Chidambaram’s role also needs to be investigated as the decision had to be taken together.

    Share dilution issue – I don’t know any more than you. Although, the background of Etisalat looks a bit dodgy, whether it was illegal to sell the licences to them, I can’t say.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    “how could Mr. Raja have ignored the then FM’s advice”.

    He did and seemed to get away with it for the time being.
    The excuse that the Prime Minister or anyone else could not do anything about it because of ‘coalition compulsions’ (a reality) does not wash as far as I am concerned. They should have put their foot down and if the government fell, so be it.

    Consulted, yes, but not necessarily agree. A Raja was ‘brave’ enough to disregard the advice (if any) was sought and given to him on the pricing at that time , hoping ‘coalition compulsions’ would prevent any action against him and his master.

    Unless there is prima facie evidence that the Minister of Finance had benefited personally by whatever advice he gave, there cannot be any finger pointing and not on the basis of allegations.

    What to say of the CBI and the other law enforcement agencies? All parties in power have (mis)used them. We shouldn’t be surprised. They seem to do be little more effective when supervised by the courts – though that is not the way it should be.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Here is a note on collective responsibility of the cabinet and individual ministerial responsibility, which should clear the way the cabinet works..

    Note the last sentence in second para.

    ————-

    Cabinet collective responsibility is constitutional convention in governments using the Westminster System that members of the Cabinet must publicly support all governmental decisions made in Cabinet, even if they do not privately agree with them. This support includes voting for the government in the legislature. In the United Kingdom, the doctrine applies to all members of the government, from members of the cabinet down to Parliamentary Private Secretaries. Some political parties apply the convention to their central committee. Its inner workings are set out in the Ministerial Code.

    It is related to the fact that, if a vote of no confidence is passed in parliament, the government is responsible collectively, and thus the entire government resigns. The consequence will be that a new government will be formed, or parliament will dissolve and a general election will be called. Cabinet collective responsibility is not the same as individual ministerial responsibility, which states that ministers are responsible and therefore culpable for the running of their departments.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Ishwar,

    A Raja is under arrest for causing Rs. 30,000/ crore loss the Govt. [ not 1.76 lakh crore loss as CAG speculated. ]

    Now CBI needs to prove that. This is where CBI’s case might just fall through.

    Everybody is deliberately focussing on something that might not be proved in the court while ignoring the obvious case of criminal conspiracy where Mr Raja shifted the dates to favour his friends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ishwar and Prahlad

    At least everyone agrees that there was a loss of 30,000 crore.

    Now how sould we rate Kapil Sibal?

    As a moron who saw the ten zeroes and forgot that there was a 3 before them?

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Sir,

    I read somewhere you pitching high for F-35.

    I hope you remember that it was an after-thought offer only when the regular offer of F/A 18 super hornet got rejected. The offer was to “muddy” the regular bidding process after USA lost out.

    I hope you are not again resorting to rhetorics !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even if it was after-thought, Is F-35 not better than Rafale.

    It is you who have been posting congressi propaganda on the blog. Are you Sharma in disguise?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    more like Prabhat in semi disguise.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hi Prabhat

    Nice to have u back. I thought u would go into hiding after the UPA became a 2 legged horse and the cancellation of 122 licences

    My contention is that 11 billion dollars is a huge amount of money and would have got most countries begging at our doorsteps. We could have

    a) Used the order to armtwist the US in supporting our UN council bid.

    b) France as a country has little clout internationally and we dont gain too much that way

    c) The F-22 and F-35 are better aircraft. However this deal only has some justification in case manufacturing tech and processes are passed onto India which help in our LCA project or even a joint aircraft development prgram with France

    d) The Rfale has not been ordered by ANy other country and we would be the first country flying it outside france, even though it was developed 15 years back. There must be some reason for it

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, permit me.

    a) Used the order to armtwist the US in supporting our UN council bid.

    In that case, there would have been many other countries who would have become permanent members of UN council. Germany for example. Do not forget that there is China, who will always oppose us.

    b) France as a country has little clout internationally and we dont gain too much that way

    Perhaps a matter of opinion.

    d) The Rfale has not been ordered by ANy other country and we would be the first country flying it outside france, even though it was developed 15 years back. There must be some reason for it

    Is becoming the first country outside of France is not on? If not, then you should have listed the countries which would be acceptable to you as precursors. Would Papua New Guinea be on that list?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Two points.

    1. Kickbacks are the norm in weapons industry, and not the exception. The final price includes the kick-back element.

    2. The French Engineers in Karachi were killed by the Chinese, because they were there to steal the technology.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi would be grateful if you kindly elaborate on the chinese killing french. I am aware THERE WERE LOT OF CHINESE AT THE PAK NAVAL BASE WHICH HOUSES AMERICAN ORION RECONNAISSANCE
    aircraft.tHIS CAME TO LIGHT when Jehadis launched an audacious attack

    Ravi Reply:

    My understanding is – and I could be wrong – that the Chinese were closely examining a French Submarine when they bumped into French Engineers. A meeting that was not expected to take place.

    A cleaning team was sent to clear up the mess, and the French Engineers lost their lives.

    This is a murky world.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi , makes perfect sense , talking about murky world PLEASE watch this film. It’s an old one . It is Antonioni’s THE PASSENGER starring Jack Nicholson.It is about arms deal and the murky , but he takes it into a PHILOSOPHICAL PLANE with questions on human identity etc. Mind Blowing film , order it from Love Films.

    Ravi Reply:

    Thanks, I will do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you need to appreciate that foreign trade has a lot to do with foreign policy. To the US mere rhetoric is not enough… it is also about the dollars and jobs you get in.

    India has to learn this game. We import right from a pin to a power plant from China, but have not learnt the game of making them respect us and respect our concerns.

    They are many countries outside the US who are hankeing fro the F series of aircraft. You can check ot the list… from Canad to gulf states to the far East bloc.

    The French have repeatedly tried to woo the same buyers and did not succeed.

    As I said… in case the deal leads to improving our LCA prpject and high quality manufacturing in India… there is some merit in it

    Otrherwise…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let us have some more ‘reasons’ as to why we should not have gone for the French aircraft.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    We are mixing up too many things.

    For selection, there has to be a bidding process, if the the Govt. policy says so.

    F35 was never on the offer to be considered along with Rafale. So why are we questioning and comparing to prove that India’s decision was wrong ?

    Besides, India is developing a 5th generation aircraft jointly with Russia and has already paid for the designs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahald

    We are among tthe biggest weaopn purchasers in the world right now.

    The weapon sellers are in the Un security council. We need to get our act together and be FLEXIBLE in purchasing so that late offers outside the original bidding process are taken up also.

    I would alway go for the best, rather than try to stick to procedure. Anyway defence purchases are not a Telecom tender where it is all about fixed dates…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    “….be FLEXIBLE in purchasing so that late offers outside the original bidding process are taken up also….”

    You are luring the Govt. to another scam !

    BTW your suggestion is not in congruence with many posts you made on this site.

  • Anonymous

    Mr Ishwar,

    CBI under Mr Chidambaram ? Did he shift to a new ministry ?

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    Please visit some cow belt cities..Bengalis are everywhere living in rented houses with Baba Adam furniture.

    Abhijeet Bhattacharya is from Kanpur. Kanpur has a huge bengali population.

    I feel you never went out of waste Bengal and never intermingled with non-bengalis.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You will be surprised to know My late dad was born in patna , graduated from Patna medical college , I was born in Patna went to St michaels in danapur till my family moved to Calcutta. My mother was born in Bhagalpur.
    I have been to Lucknow to appear for my DNB exam held in the local college.
    I did come across some bengali , I guess the most famous is Atul Prasad Sen , i beleive there is a road name after him in his honour.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So your father and you are product of cow belt area..then why so much hatred for cow belt?

    Waste Bengal is gutter of a place to live in..people packed like sardine whereas UP and Bihar has enough space where you can breath freely..

    UP many be backward but there is no place like UP..UP is the only state where there is 100% tolerance for outsiders with 0% hint of regionalism.. Bengalis and others are crudely regional..you guys need to learn lot from UP..

    Just kidding…I love bengal too especially for its food and hospitality. Bengalis are great host.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have NO friends from calcutta , my aquaintances are FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD , NOT JUST INDIA.To be candid , my blog mates are closest , so far my interest is concerned , like Mahesh for science , Ravi for art and
    literature and all the rest for politics , and as you know what they say about bengalees , one bengalee poet , two bengali discuss politics , three bengalee open film club , four bengalees OPEN TWO CINE CLUBS
    IF BENGALEES ARE GREAT HOST HOW CAN THEY BE PAROCHIAL , 60% of POPULATION OF CALCUTTA ARE NON BENGALEES FOR YOUR INFORMATION.

    COW BELT STANDS FOR RIGID HINDU ORTHODOXY AND BACKWARDNESS , PARTICULARLY WHERE WOMEN ARE TREATED AS CHATTEL AND MIXING OF BOYS AND GIRLS IS A FROWNED UPON.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Bengalis suffer from parochial mentality just like Tamilians but to a lesser degree.

    Cow belt may be backward but you can never accuse it for regionalism. They may not treat women properly but things are changing very fast. Your view of cowbelt is that of 1970s. I too have lot of complaints against north Indians but with time I have realized, it is still the heart of India whether it is cuisine or culture or food or even language.

    When Raj Thackrey was slamming north Indians in UP, I was thinking of my marathi friends from Kanpur who inhabit old kanpur (nawabganj) and Bithoor. Raj Thackrey is forgetting that a large marathi population still live in Kanpur since 1840s from time of last Peshwa. Ever heard of 1857 heroes Nanarao Peshwa and Tatya Tope..both came from Bithoor a suburb of Kanpur and also Laxmibai came from same place.

    We are not bad people just a little backward but we are still the food basket of India, number one in most of agricultural product..we still have big industrial zone in Kanpur, Noida and elsewhere.

    By the way there is a girl college ‘Sen College’ owned by bengalis in Kanpur.

    pCOW BELT STANDS FOR RIGID HINDU ORTHODOXY]

    You are wrong here..Hindu orthodoxy is practiced more in Bengal in the form of Bhadralok which drove 70% bengalis towards Islam. Whereas in UP only 18% people are muslims.

    engrich Reply:

    up was 40%.punjab was 60% before partition.most of punjab cities were muslim majority.

    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Remember,
    Pahari Sanyal was also from Lucknow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Batukeshwar Dutt associate of Bhagat Singh was from Kanpur.

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  • Anonymous

    My humble advice to Swamy is not to proceed after Chidambaram. BJP also will be better off if they focus on electoral victory instead of the constant call for his resignation or somebody else’e resignation. They are not going to get any extra vote because they are clamouring for resignation – citizens do not put them on a higher pedestal for this!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,
    I don’t agree with you. I think Swamy should go even up to SC on Chidambaram because once Chidu is down, the real culprit Sonia will have to directly answer some difficult questions.

    BJP should work on electoral strategy but to sacrifice this fight for electoral victory will be a big let down.

    Nehru-Gandhi escaped bofors but they should not get away with 2G/CWG loot.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    As you must be aware, Mr. Chidabaram has been chosen as a target on the ‘express’ wish and desire of the Empress from Poes Gardens. How can Dr. Swamy ignore such ‘ firmans’?

    BJP is merely trying to …………

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    I agree LCA is a good fighter plane but it is decade behind schedule. The development of Kaveri Engine is stuck and on top of that most of the component are of foreign origin.

    However I am happy that DRDO developed LCA..This has at least given us know how to develop nexr fighter aircraft. LCA was part of learning exercise.

    It is 4.5 generation fighter better than J-10 **** jointly developed by China-Pak ;)

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ TO ALL THE LEG PULLERS. loudmouths, DOUBTERS, fools & GENIUSES ~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————–

    Ten years back I was a Tech nerd, reading all about defence equipment and comparisons etc. Now I am not so much into it but can still tell the difference between the thrust and a butt, a wingspan and a lifespan, a flight operating radius and a flight hostesses’ radius, the weapon load of a jet fighter and the weapon load of Katrrina Kaif and the stealth capacity of aircraft and the stealing capacity of the Congress etc etc

    In my view– and honestly this is of an amateur enthusiast– the F-16’s Pakistan possesed were far superior to the earlier Jaguars, the Mirages and Migs India had. As Rajeev pointed out, the US squeezed Pakistans balls every few months and starved it of spares, making some of the F-16’s as good as bullock carts. But Pakistanis being Talibani in some measure cannibalsed ten F-16’s to run the next twenty.

    So technically feature to feature– the F-22 and the F-35 would outstrip the Rafale. The F-355 is still on the trial stage but is expected to be the best. The Rafale is a 4.5 gen aircraft NOT ordered by any other airforce outside France. Frankly, France is no longer the hotspot of high Defence tech any more. Here are a few observatrions with HONEST intentions– not to score brownie points and not to deffame any serving officer– people whom I have highest regards for.

    a) In case Technology transfer for aircraft manufacture happens for India, then there is a justifcation for the deal. We could also use the tech for the LCA especially on the field of amalgmating avionics and quality control.

    b) We need to keep a watch out for the kickbacks as the French have done it so many times in their weapons programs. The last case which came to light was the submarine supply to Pakistan. Of course the french delayed some kickbacks which resulted in Pakisttani rulers using suicide bombers to kill french engineers at eh karachi naval base.

    c) In any case out longterm goal should be to get the best and also start manufactruing in India. The Russian collaboration for the SU series I think takes care of this end.

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  • Anonymous

    Scams and more scams everywhere. Should we rename our country Scam Republic of India?

    Ex-Rajasthan minister, 29 others chargesheeted in land scam

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/ExRajasthan-minister-29-others-chargesheeted-in-land-scam/907912/

    Excerpt

    Madan Dilawar, who was a minister in the Vasundhara Raje government, and 29 others have been alleged of fabricating documents for an auction of government land under Atru Panchayat Samiti of Baran district in 1998, Baran ACB in-charge Deendayal Bhargav said.

    As per the ACB findings, Dilawar used his political clout to ensure that the plot was sold to his near ones at extremely low rates, hence causing a revenue loss to the state exchequer.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very very funny !!

    The Congress is looting the country lefft , right and centre RIGHT NOW!!

    To obfuscte you find a SUPPOSED land scam 14 years back !! Wah !

    Why dont you check out the contemperory land purchases being done by Chotta Baba ’s Brother in law in Rajasthan , along with DLF inpartnership and Gehlot government nodding ….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I understand your discomfort.

    Can I say – one man’s comedy is another man’s tragedy?

    This is an independent thread – there is no obfuscation of any other topic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    Manohar will defend Congress to death giving examples of BJP corruption. What he means is that if BJP is corrupt, Congress has right to be super corrupt.

    This is how Congressi logic works.

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    engrich Reply:

    when it comes forgery and fraud bjp is far advance than congress or anyother party.it is a party of banias.

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  • Anonymous

    The only reason I support Rafale is that France can be trusted as Supplier and Partner. I still remember with Pokhran-II happened, France was the only country who supported India unconditionally. Even Russia lectured us on why we should not have N-weapons. The way puny countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada (Who enjoy US nuclear umbrella) slammed India is still fresh in my memory.
    However with time these countries came around and accepted our status as N-Power (informally).

    The way Russia inflated cost of Admiral Gorshkov and blackmailed India, has shaken Indian trust in Russia as defence partner.

    I will pick France over other countries any day..especially against US, UK etc.

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    engrich Reply:

    because of our experiment pakistan became nuclear nation.now they are ahead of us in this technology.neverthless france is better than america.american will freeze spare parts supply if we talk of our interest.they are not trusted friend.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    Harrier is 2nd generation sub-sonic fighter plane with max speed 650 mph, maximum takeoff weight ~8,500 kg whereas F35 is 5th generation, with max speed 1.6 mach and max. take off weight ~31,800 kg…

    How can you compare the two?

    You are a proud Brit but you should be a proud LOGICAL Brit ;)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I dont know what the hell you are taliking about ,nobody is comparing Harrier with JSF , boeing F35. Harrier HAS BEEN PHASED OUT FROM ROYAL NAVY. But theS VTOL TECHNOLOGY IS UNIQUE. Russia tried to steal , infact a white bloke was caught trying to pass on the design .This SVTOL is being incorporated in JSF Boeing F 35. I hope you understand

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    Ravi Reply:

    There is no comparison between the two aircraft.

    As you say one was designed specifically to take off from car parks, clearings in forests, aircraft carriers etc and that is why it is lighter.

    India already has these aircraft.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    When I spoke about F35, you were the one going gaga over Harrier. Why did you bring Harrier into discussion when we were discussing Rafale and F35?

    UK is a spent force..accept it and move on. It is basically a third rate power, a poodle of US.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It may well be so , STILL THE WHOLE OF UP (like smug Mishra) WILL SELL THEIR SOUL TO EMIGRATE TO UK.
    Oh yes 30000STUDENTS from India come each year to uk for further studies(read to escape india)

  • Anonymous

    @Ravi & Manohar,

    My response following the discussion we had on RSS earlier. I know, your replies usually are faster than mine and will come in a day or two. But kindly excuse me. I prefer to take a leave, whenever this blog starts affecting my work life balance. I won’t be able to reply you guys this time. But would be happy reading your responses. Will take it up whenever I come back next. Ravi, my parting gift. My last post on Devadasi system, which was started at Zia’s blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Regarding RSS,

    When Hiranya Kashyap was dying, his son Prahlad asked Lord Narasimha to give moksha to his father. Narasimha replied, his father would get moksha anyway because he chanted Vishnu’s name more than any devotee. When I look at liberal’s reaction towards RSS, I feel the same. They take RSS more seriously than the swayam sevaks themselves.

    @Ravi, Part 1:
    “Homogenising the diversity of Hinduism into an Abrahamic look alike religion is what the Hedgewar and Golimarkar ambition was. This still continues to be the reason for RSS’s existence.”

    Have you ever seen, RSS daring to hold intercaste marriages in mass numbers? If it is not bold enough to change social fabric, how do you state homogenising Hinduism is its ambition? But in its Shibirs there is no descrimination. In camps, only vegetarian food is served and everyone eats together.

    Hedgewar, Golwarkar, Jinnah, Imran Khan, Modi – Not ready to put them into any communal bracket for what they said /did at a moment or what philosophy they believed at some point of time. Human being keeps evolving. Their thoughts too have changed over a period of time. For every statement Savarkar has spoken which sounds anti-Muslim, there is a contradicting quote from himself. So is Jinnah’s. My opinions on MMS and Modi have got interchanged over the few years. (I have seen Modi’s interview with Karan Thapar. His face certainly shows discomfort. He looks guilty, that gives me relief. That guilt will drive him to do something good). I also don’t consider two right wingers, if they stand on opposite side cannot have a talk. India did have cordial relationship with Pakistan during Vajpayee’s time. Who knows, tomorrow Modi and Imran can sit together and settle Kashmir dispute which liberal Congress and liberal Bhutto could not do. Both the people, despite their difference, want to move on and take their country to the next level. I don’t see this world as black and white.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi, Part 2:
    “The trend to push the ancient Veda’s into the background and give prominence to Ramayana and Mahabharata are carefully planned tactics to coalesce the diverse Hindu population into something resembling other major religions.”

    This land has given shelter to so many refugees, who came here fearing prosecution.. Parsees, Jews, Christians from St. Thomas era, Shia Muslims of Iran. If ancestors of Brahmin community were outsiders (?), then they were no more/no less than others. Though Indus civilization gave respect to this commuity, they never borrowed Brahminical gods like Indra, nor Sanskrit became commoner’s language. Instead Brahmins adopted to local language and kept Indus God (Shiva) on top of their Gods. (First of all they were a minority group. They must be smart enough to know about their capacity). When Shoeb speaks of Tamil Brahmins settling in US, my mind thinks… eternal gypsies.

    Vedas are ancient. Will agree. But were they in foreground before RSS entered the field? Ramayana and Mahabharat have been part of folklore since ages, Vedas never were. Reason? Rama and Krishna were local heroes. In fact, Krishna in Mandhara Parvat story clearly puts Aryan God (Indra) to his place by declaring, natives do not like “to be told” and will continue to pray whatever gods they are used to. Very much like Shivaji who fought for the rights of natives over central rule. Was Krishna a mythical character or a rebel who was made God (as usual) by people later, who can say?

    “..This is my firm believe and othering of minorities, chiefly the Muslims is a part and parcel of this project…”
    I have answered it somewhere earlier. It is the hesitation of the other communities to declare these Gods(/people) belong to them, as much as Hindus is what othered them. Not any organisation.

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    engrich Reply:

    vinay are u sure that rama or krishna actually existed on indian soil.is there any proof of their existence.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Do you have any picture of Taimur Lung having to stand on only one leg?

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    engrich Reply:

    their are hundreds.he is part of history not mythology.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Absolutely brilliant !! Comment of the year !

  • Anonymous

    @Ravi, Part 3
    Your continuous comparison of RSS with LeT and Madrassa training has made me look upto what their students do and compare with what Swayamsevaks do.

    First thing first. RSS is an extra curriculum unlike Madrassa which is a school, which has its own syllabus. We have our schools/colleges, tensions of exams/percentages like any other kids. RSS does not try to teach Sanskrit (teachers are ordinary citizens who work outside, just do this job an hour a day voluntarily), like Arabic in Madrassa. It is not a RamaKrishna mission which would teach Bhagavad Gita. (Madrassa teaches religion). Apart from celebrating some festivals, no religious education. Yes it speaks about history from extreme right wing which you would call it distorted, but I would say our history text books are also equally distorted in the other direction. How much did we ever read about Bhagat Singh or Azad or Subhash Chandra Bose in our texts? It was only Gandhi. I would say, learning in RSS completes the spectrum. Sawarkar or Golwalkar books are not any text books (There are no texts). The books, which were bought for me to read were Ajeya (story of Chandra Shekhar Azad, which described Azad like Robinhood.. ), Adamya (on Vasudev Balwant Phadke). No muslim bashings in any of these books. The Ajeya story describes, Ashfaq ulla Khan as a hero in Kakori train incident. But when it comes to glorious part of India, it speaks only upto muslim’s invasion and speaks mainly about Islamic barbarism rather than contribution. My feelings with RSS is that generally they do not like Pakistan and and many times call liberals as ISI agents (I felt they really believe it, not just saying for the sake of it) . But then, I have seen lot of people in the outside world also who speak like them. So, difficult to differentiate.

    Another point is the kind of kids who go for it. Many of us belonged to one particular community (no need to say), who are historically known for talking and never for bravado.
    Middle class parents.. tough cut off percentages… We hear all about Mahmud of Ghazni and Prithviraj Chauhan in Shakhas; as soon as we go home the story gets vapourised and trignometry starts. During 10th and 12th, visits to Shakhas will get rare, after that some infrequent visits, finally when one gets a job and settles with family it is all about taking the dress out on Guru Purnima day (like a fancy dress, which would have been preserved like an ornament) and/or going to a BJP leader’s speach and voting for BJP. May be, if someone has time and energy, he would start volunteering as a teacher. IT milans are another thing, where IT guys meet on Sunday, exchange company gossips (after the usual surya samaskar session), talk about BJP, ***** about Cong and disperse (it is more like an adda of old pals). There is no “special thing” as any outsider imagines. In fact, if anyone attends any nearby Shakha will understand what I am trying to say. (You can find out, how they really are and what they feel about todays BJP).

    RSS conducts camps. There are 3 levels. I have been to the first one. Things are quite tough. Getting up very early. Living with bare minimmum food (vegetarian food, everyone eats together, no descrimination) , lot of excercising. (Yoga and lot of drill excercises but with Sanskrit touch). I remember Dr. Mishra once speaking, everyone should have defence training once. I have not been there. But OTC was also quite hard.

    Another point .

    This is the video of RSS when RSS chief had visited Bangalore couple of years ago. (There was another one recently). 15,000 participants and 25000 others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKN3zu9K8A Do you hear anything riotic? (By the way, Bangalore is one of the peaceful cities, despite of RSS). From which angle it looks similar to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Uml9GKBhg ?

    Lastly, whenever RSS has been involved in relief work during natural calamities, have you ever heard of it differentiating the victims on the religious basis? Compare it with flood relief work in Pakistan.

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    engrich Reply:

    rss people were found taking military training at 53 places with live ammunition.they are sleeping cells of international zoinism.far more brutal than alqaeda.alqaeda never burnt alive infants or cut man into pieces or raping women of respected families.they are expert in all these evils.repeating this in every riot.they are brhmnst running almost a parrallel goverments.fooling indians whose thinking power is crushed through suppression.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi Part 4

    “…The credit for history of the Congress belongs to the institution itself and not the individuals that made it, …… Likewise, present day RSS’s members cannot divorce themselves from its history, reason for its foundation, etc…. Brand values are an extremely durable reality….”

    Strongly disagree. My ears are already saturated with Rahul Gandhi. (As if, he and his mother fought and brought independence to this country). Here I am, shouldering the blame for Gandhi’s murder, Manu Smriti, atrocity over Dalit, Jain….have I left any?

    “…Riots are a tactic and often communal riots often have secular motives mixed in with them. I highly recommend that you read Martha Nussbaum on this..”
    Once you quoted this piece from Martha Nussbaum’s book and stated it was from Modi’s speach.
    ” …We have untied the penises which were tied till now
    without castor oil in the arse we have made them cry. ..”
    Finally it was concluded that it was not Modi’s speach, but a writing on a pomphlate
    (RSS or Bhajrangdal). I have been brought up in RSS culture. I can confidently say, they don’t use sexual terms, even in pomphlates. Then it occured to me, it must have been words like, “Hazaro saalonse hinduvonka pourush jo supth tha, ab jaagrit ho chuoka hain..” These kind of of words of very familiar to us. It was a mindless translation, which confuses valour with penise. You know, I don’t rate her high. At the same time, I respect your right to choose.
    Some of the incidents specially with women which I read in Gujarat just shook me. (Some of them have been disproven too). It is difficult to believe any human being could do this. But riots gets the devil inside the man out. I agree, some RSS people have been involved in riots. But liberals speak RSS staged the whole riot. I have a problem with this allegation. Honestly it is difficult for me to believe, a person who is trained in RSS for years could do heinous things on women as RSS treats women with highest regard whichever religion she belongs to. I have maintained earlier, people like Varun Gandhi speaks with such aggression that regular RSS like Vajpayee, could never do. Aggression is more to do with a personality.

    “..Essential philosophy of the RSS is based upon Italian Fascism so is the uniform of Khaki Nikkar, White shirt and Black topi. The uniform is the external manifestation of this largely discredited and grossly unsuitable political ideology. Bermuda’s are worn voluntarily …”
    By the way, this uniform is called Gana Vesh, even these are worn voluntarily. (Vinay Cheddiwala sounds like rich Parsi name). There is scope for improvement or modification in its ideology (as what it defines as Hindutva, is it ‘Bharatiyata’ /hindustani), but does not mean whole idea needs to be discredited.

    “Hindu Fanatic of the N. R. Godse kind …. Killer of Taseer – Mumtaz Qadri are to be developed ”
    Compare the kind of of reaction (disbelief) which Godse (for that matter Swami Aseemananda) got and compare it to the jubiliant mood of killing of Taseer. Does both the reactions look similar? If their action define their respective organisation, then how come the reactions which are supposed to have stemmed from the similar actions be so different?

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar,

    In your reply to Ishwar (re: allegations against RSS) you said, “…Frankly, It is not possible to go through each of the reports running into thousands of pages.I got the list from a source . ..The Wikipedia only gives the list of the reports – it is no reflection on the contents of the reports itself. I stand by my post. …”

    So in realility, you have made an accusation by copypasting a paragraph from Wiki and have thrown the ball to my court to prove or disprove it. Well, I have tried within my limitations to compile this post. I have only searched the internet sources available, my answers are based on that.

    1> Jaganmohan Reddy report on the Ahmedabad riots 1969
    Can you please go through this link
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WnvoVvSIksgC&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=ahmedabad+riot+1969+rss&source=bl&ots=U6I670Iv8Z&sig=IUAVXvElE_wNg_RuHwuEhFHJLi8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cBIST_34OIaj8QP0trzzAw&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=ahmedabad%20riot%201969%20rss&f=false
    Gujarat riots starts from page 184. Has RSS been mentioned anywhere in page 185? How come, all the organisations he mentioned are left out and the the organisation he never referred to props up in wiki? He lists what triggered the riots he in page 191 to 194. Can RSS be blamed for everything that happened?

    2>D.P. Madon report on the Bhiwandi riots in 1970
    http://www.sabrang.com/srikrish/annexure.htm
    Surely, an incident triggered by Hindu miscreants. RSS connections with this riot
    (according to report, which comes at the bottom 103.149 ), is that ” .. majority of the
    leaders and workers of the Rashtriya Utsav Mandal belonged to the Jan Sangh or were pro–Jan Sangh …” It does not mention RSS swayam sevaks. But I am not aware, how Jan Sangh and RSS have responded to these riots. If they have not condemned these workers, then I would blame RSS for it (as it used to support Jan Sangh), even if it is not directly involved.

    This incident also indicates how seeds were thrown alianating Shivaji from
    Muslims (which Mahesh earlier mentioned). Muslims were intentionally kept away from Utsav Mandal. But Muslim’s response could have been better. They should have organised their own Shivaji Jayanti and proved to Shivsena and Utsav Mandal, Shivaji is not their ‘baap ka jaagir’. Instead, by embracing Afzal Khan to give takkar to sena, they got trapped.

    3> Tellichery riot: I could not find any authentic reports. While going through this book, “Competition and Ethnic Riots in India” – By Steven I. Wilkinson
    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=tLpRFbLSxvAC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=tellicherry+muslim+league+riot&source=bl&ots=8fKrR7rXSY&sig=mLIqwTdPIuOF3bIQRVU_JCnNjto&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wogLT5i2CMr28gOOs7nOBQ&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=tellicherry%20muslim%20league%20riot&f=false
    I realised, no one was killed in riot and one police officer was suspended of ignoring his work. If that so, I would call it a disturbance rather than a riot. Few more lines from that article from page 188, “….If anything, successive LDF and UDF governments have at times been accused of doing too much in order to retain Muslim political support, and we can point to several instances where Muslim attacks on Hindus have been met with only a weak administrative response. In 1983 UDF chief minister K Karunakaran ordered the police to withdraw from the capital city of Trivendram just before Muslim organisations organised a demonstration that led to large scale looting…” But, we don’t hear people like Teesta shouting anywhere.

    4> Jamshedpur
    What RSS chief has spoken was, what has been said in this blog hundreds of times. Saudi does not give rights to minorities where as it is expected from India. But did his speach triggered the riots?
    While http://www.hvk.org/articles/1098/0068.html speaks from right wing angle,
    http://archive.cscs.res.in/MediaArchive/clippings.nsf/(docid)/351CA376B596F17F6525694200313BD0
    speaks neutrally. Both clearly say, it was the act of minority.
    While reading about the riots, story of lecturer Zaki Anwar just moved me (It does not matter, the person who killed him was Hindu or Muslim, he was one fundamentalist.) India still has a long way to go.

    5>Kanyakumari Riots:
    http://www.ibiblio.org/ahkitj/wscfap/arms1974/Book%20Series/TheImageOfGodIM/IOGIM-hinduchristian.htm
    Background in page 59. Riots covered in 61. How much of it is manufactured by RSS?

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar (contd.)

    In the riots, no one connects Muslim goondas with Cong or Muslim League. However if is a Hindu Goonda, then he must belong to or linked with RSS. Whoever be the Hindu miscreants are, call them as the wing of RSS and blame RSS for that. It includes Jan Sangh, Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti (in Gujarat), Dimna Akhara (Jamshedpur), VHP and BhajrangDal. Latest addition is Ram Sene.

    Earlier RamSene has gone and vandalised Pubs by dragging women out. About them being RSS wing, this is what RSS spoke about them.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pc-says-ram-sene-crossed-limits-rss-favours-ban/421142/2
    By the way, the man speaking here is a retired proffessor of a prestegious Engineering college, who was known for his honesty; got stabbed by a student while preventing copying in 70s-80s. Remained bachelor throught and stood for the values he believed in. Used to be the only BJP member in upper house getting elected from graduate voters. Such guys are nobody in today’s BJP. They have got sandwiched between greedy Yeddy/Reddy and Ramsene goondas. I wish people like him to write an honest biography once. It might open the eyes of some youngsters who are ready to live and die for their ideologies (be it naxalism or jihad). Like Pitamah Bhishm, these people’s loyalty towards their organisation do not let them speak anything against it. A person sacrificing his entire youth towards an ideology/ideal kingdom, realising at the end that an ideal state is unobtainable.

    My post is not to say, RSS is totally innocent. There are rotten apples in every
    organisation. But in a country where deep insecurities exist between two communities which are unaddressed for centuries, which just needs some reason for riots to flare up, putting all the blame on one organisation (as if riots have never happened without it or before it) is oversimplification.

    People like Teesta Selvad, pick few lines in every report and make a nice garland
    like this. http://www.hindu.com/2000/02/20/stories/1320001b.htm Then it becomes a bible for Seculars and Liberals. Type any of the above riot in google, only thing we find are these biblical texts of her article. But nobody bothers to explain this.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/NGOs-Teesta-spiced-up-Gujarat-riot-incidents-SIT/articleshow/4396986.cms

    Another question to you. Ram Sene hoisted the flag in Jan 1st. But the plot was uncovered only by 12th. Till then, it must have been pressumed it is the act of Muslims, right? What happed during that time? Yes, there was some tire burning (by the same people), but no communal riot. People did not bother. Nor this news was of any great importance (even in local papers). But as soon as it was known that it was done by Hindu goondas, it becomes a national news. (But local people’s reaction is pretty much same). Why the difference in publicity? Was the other news not so glamorous?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your two part post will require some reading for a response. Watch this space.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    I have read the artricle and had written to Shri Mohapatra on it on the very day it appeared.

    Strange thing is that he was made to apologise to the court because apparent,ly he had published what was a secret document submitted by the SIT of Raghavan. Not only that, the matter never againcame into the public domain and Times Of India itself “withdrew” the article for some time, as per its assurance given to the SC. And the myths about the atrocities spread by Teesta and her secular company, merrily do the rounds even to date.

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    engrich Reply:

    In the riots, no one connects Muslim goondas with Cong or Muslim League. However if is a Hindu Goonda, then he must belong to or linked with RSS. Whoever be the Hindu miscreants are, call them as the wing of RSS and blame RSS for that. It includes Jan Sangh, Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti (in Gujarat), Dimna Akhara (Jamshedpur), VHP and BhajrangDal. Latest addition is Ram Sene

    vinay either u dont understand this point or trying to mislead the bloggers.riots mostly took place under congress regime.99%of victims were muslims some hindus of low caste were hurt in selfdefence.riots were part of politics.no riot took place since congress lost power.bjp goons used to do this with help of administration and police and o fcourse hindu media.in bengal it was daily affair.since cpm came to power riots stopped.in up and bihar since lalloo took power roits stopped.goons dont do riots they do gundagardi.usually they are secular.
    mentality for riots and brutal acts is prepared in rss shakhas.their only expertize is to provocate muslims and incite hindus.they teach distorted and wrong history
    which create hatred against muslims.this is called zoinism.they are secret perpetuators of all commual voilences in india.first major riot they ignited was 1969 since then it was yearly affair.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi,
    Earlier we had discussed about Devdasi system. I suppose, we had agreed at few points. (The respect that Devdasis commanded in earlier society and their contribution towards Indian art). Though I could argue today’s Devdasi system is more to do with poverty than religion, (prostitution ratio in fact is higher is Muslim community, again not because of religion but due to poverty) I did not know what to say for one of your query. None of the other religions have approved this act, where as it is sanctioned under Hindu religion. This reply is towards that point.

    I would like to draw your attention to one of the controversial decision of first allowing and later banning sex industry job advertisements in UK job centers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/04/banning-sex-industry-ads-jobcentres. Those who are pro-ban have argued, they do not want their children/(daughters) who go out looking for jobs to come across such advertisements. Those who opposed the ban have argued, anyway job is not imposed. Burden on the tax payer gets lessened if one person claiming benefits takes up the job voluntarily and start paying tax. My intention is not to stand on any side. It was just to show, how civilized society still struggle to accept/admit the prostitution. Many a times, some inevitable things which can’t be prevented (can be anything, from diabetes to traffic jam) need to be accepted. Denial is an easier option. Acceptance needs boldness. Acceptance not necessarily is an endorsement.

    Ancient Indian society (/Hindu) accepted these people in the society, in temples, called them Devadasis. Advantages were, it gave legitimacy to their profession and their children. Secondly, they could contribute to the society from the money they earned. Vinapoti and Shantavva were two such courtesans from Karnataka who are remembered for their generous donations. Vinapoti (7Th Century CE) gave generous charities to temples and is acknowledged in an inscription as soulmate mistress of Chalukya king Vijayaditya. Shantavve (probably 10th century CE) built a tank for the irrigation, which is Asia’s second largest irrigational tank.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Sagara
    People generally referred to it as Sulekere (‘Prostitute Lake”). But decades back, government brought in a “civilised name” called Shanti Sagara as it did not like the old name. But historians protested against it and said, it does not bring in the memory of the philanthropist lady as the previous one. Right now both the names are present.

    Coming back to what is practiced currently. Negatives. Many a times a minor kid can be forced by parents (poverty being the reason), which needs to be stopped. (But this does not happen in Devadasi system alone. There needs to be strict laws against all child trafficking). Advantages over prostitution. Devdasi lives in the society, with family back up. Other lives in a kothi, which means greater mental stress. Devdasi’s children can have better upbringing than a regular prostitute’s kids, because of the social acceptance.

    If somebody had asked me anything about Devadasi system two years ago, I would have answered it as a sh.it system, which is not in practice anymore. Today I would say, it is the most rational response a civic society could give to the world’s oldest profession. Thanks Ravi.

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  • Anonymous

    National Interest
    One Raja in jail, all of UPA in handcuffs
    Shekhar Gupta

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/national-interest-one-raja-in-jail-all-of-upa-in-handcuffs/908101/

    Excerpt

    For a society obsessed with anniversaries, it is a sobering reminder that this week marked an entire year of A. Raja being in custody. The 2G scandal has seen the UPA government in blundering retreat from one indefensible position to another, much in the fashion of our army against the Chinese in 1962. And if it hoped the two court judgments of this week would provide it some breathing space, it would be delusional. Because, the government may have managed to stay out of jail, in a manner of speaking, but it is caught in multiple wars, all with its own, very much in the way of an unfortunate human body being eaten up by some awful, auto-immune disease.

    ————–

    Read on

    ————-
    Vijay

    Is the above article an obfuscation or not in your dictionary?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree with Shekhar that this is a weak weak government.

    The only reason this government exists is that Chotta baba becomes the king one day. For this he and Digvinash Singh keep belittling MMS’s legacy of great economic reform.

    I think , Manohar, you should think cooly and then acknowledge that the demise of this government started the day the dunce prince started dancing on the streets.

    As it runs from scam to scam. If the Taj Hotel, Mansingh Road slips out of Tata hands and goes into that of Aman hotels (owned by Chotta baba’s bro in law) I think this would be the height of COngress honesty.

    But then you would have difficulty spotting this.

    Even Vindo Mehta of the OUTLOOk acknowledges that this is a failed government.

    WHY DOESN’T MMS DITCH THE CHOTTA BABA AND THE FORM A GOVERNMENT OF HONESTY, SECULARISM, EQUALITY AND NATIONALISM ?

    I will and so will most of us bloggers support him in this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You and us bloggers don’t form the Govt.

    They do.

    [ People who do not blog.]

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    Well 15 bloggers =15 votes. Two bloggers will of course vote in Pakistan.

    And eacch vote counts :)

    What do you thik of the Chotta baba chotti bdhi proposal of making Urdu the second language of UP in place of English?

    It will be gr8 fun to blog in Urdu now and use it in all government offices :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    When was the last you recited an Urdu sayari to a probable girl friend ?

    Try it. See the magic !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahald

    Good for Shayari, agreed…

    But bad for computer software… !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Computer does not differentiate the languages so long it gets the instructions right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So u love the idea of Urdu being used in government offices as promised by Chotta baba and Digvinash Singh?

    Cmon… Turkey the only Muslim country that progressed beyond fatwas and and maulivs. did so by banning the Arabic script.

    Why would you want the Indian Muslims to be cut off frm the mainstream and be condemend to follow what the maulvis preached from Saudia?

    By the way have you handled the Urdu keyboard? Have you worled out basic programes like Excel, Tally and CAD in Urdu? I wish you best of luck for this foolhardy dream fo Chotta baba… :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar Sir,

    I read you poser to Prabhat Sir on Urdu as official II language and also Urdu key board.

    It is not a bad idea, Sirji, if the vote bank gets impressed with the “soch” of the yuvraj.

    As for the future of the UP Muslim bachcha log, Sirji, has it ever mattered?

    Anonymous Reply:

    when vote banks on divisve agenda matter more than mother India… what can one say…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You are suggesting that Right-to-Left scripts are not available for spreadsheet,CAD and accounting packages.

    Why don’t you just do a bit of Googling ?

    By the way shall we do qccounting, Spreadsheets and CAD in Hindi or not ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    As per your suggestions and the dreams of Chotta baba… all medical and Engineering knowledge and computer software should be converted to Urdu each year!!

    Very very bright !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Recently there was a demand for Engineering Entrance examinations in Tamil and Bengali.

    Did it ring any bell ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You agree with Shekhar Gupta (I am not surprised), so do I. He is the journalist I admire most, hence I regularly post links to his hard hitting weekly column – National Interest. Of course, I do not agree with you on most issues.

    Who am I to acknowledge or not acknowledge whether the demise of the present government started when ……………..? Unless, you are looking for comfort in numbers – more the people agree with you, the better you feel. Aren’t you satisfied with the existing support system with the abuser-in-chief as the leader on the blog?

    As per your usual practice, you have chosen to skip the question posed you. You had earlier taken exception to my posting link about some scandal about your ‘beloved’ BJP, however, when I posted this link you have no such problem. Never mind, I understand the dilemma you face. I have no such qualms.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Contrary to what u may think I am not an out and out BJP guy. I am an admirer of Atal Bihari. But then I admire MMS also for getting to the heart of the issue.

    I find dynastic succession anti democracy. And i know this promotes a sycophantic culture that defeats India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Who is out and out BJP guy here unlike you ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prhalad

    I can say one thign for sure… Prahlad… the out and out BJP guy is not u !

    Anonymous Reply:

    And contrary what you may think I am not an out and out Congress guy, in fact not at all – everyone and their actions are considered on merits on case by case basis. Proof – posting the link to Shekhar Gupta’s column slamming the Congress. Is that proof enough for you or ………?

  • Anonymous

    Friends,

    There is an article by Shobha De in the Sunday Times, on the age controversy of the army chief. I have had the pleasure of “replying” to her.

    Pl. find time to read it:

    http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/politically-incorrect/entry/stepping-out-of-line#comment-fc728d40750c498286d6a5a9eb7564e0

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    I am time and again trying to stay away from this controversy because I really do not want to drag the chief ’s name to some silly debate.

    But I believe the chief gave in writing accepting 1950 as YOB in 2008 and he has done it thrice.

    Did he accept promotions based on 1950 as YOB or 1951 ?

    I believe the succession plan is decided for 7 years in advance !

    Could you please clarify without really getting into any debate mode ?

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  • Anonymous

    ~~`how defence purchases are DIFFERENT FROM TELECOM LICENCES ~~~
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    Arre baba telecom licences were about proprity and following commercial norms.

    Defence contracts are about getting the best for your country. In case the GOI had explained to the public and the media that the Americasn are willing to give the latest version of their planes along with requisite spares back up…. we all would have understood.

    There is NO whiff of scandal if you are buying the best at competative prices, weven though you change the decison at the last minute.

    Dont we all do it all the time?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    What is the most likely delivery date for F35 and when did India intend to buy ?

    “.. we all would have understood….”

    Have you recently moved to another country with different set of politicians ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prhalad

    Defence purchases are about getting the best.

    Telecom is about all companies meeting certain parameters.

    In defence purchases if you get much higher specs you will accept them. You have to chose one supplier… not ten matching the criteria.

    The procedure is different from open tenders.

    Arre baba in case there is a plane for veritcal take off and another which does not, and you pay a little extra for it, it would be okay in Defence.

    I think you understand, even if you pretend not to !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You did not answer the question !

    What is the most likely delivery date for F35 and when did India intend to buy ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    You answer my question Prahlad.

    Does the rafale have stealth capabilities???

    And does the F-22 raptor have them?

    What was the performance of the Rafale in sorfties in Afghanistan under nATO?

    Anonymous Reply:

    What idf we went for the F-22 immediately and asked for the F-35 later?

    the only justification for this deal can only be a total tech transfer with manufacturing plants.

    Otherwise “ille Ille ! “

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    USA simply wanted to get the bid scrapped and retendered.

    Somebody here pointed out that the defence minister was not taking decisions and thus COMPROMISING WITH THE SECURITY of the country.

    When you talk of defence purchase, please keep in mind the time line from RFP to the final delivery. Check out what it takes to finally reach there and what it takes to restart the whole process.

    There will be a time for F35 to compete with similar aircrafts.

    Atleast, India has already paid for the designs for 5th generation aircraft and soon move to the next step forward.

    Yes, you got it right. The UPA is working. For you and for your country. You may enjoy your drink on Sunday evening without worrying too much.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad

    I have just come back from the Mall having purchased having purchased a sofa *** bed– a very neat design.

    I had originally gone to buy a lounge chair but by paying just 3000 extra I got a piece of furniture which can double up as an extra bed in case a guest chooses to stay over…

    Or I collapse in the lobby after finishing my Sunday round of Scotch… :)

    But as per your view on the aircraft purchase, I should have not done this as I had entered the furntiure showroom with the clean intention of buying a lounge chair…

    Look, life is dynamic and defence issues more so. We need to get in the best and be flexible in procurement too.

    Anyway I WONT ever cast aspersions on serving officers like Tehelka and Rajiv Gandhi ended up doing as I know they do work in stressfull conditions.

    Shamefully this government has also insulted Madhavan nair and his team who gave us Chandrayan and a true Indian success story…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am glad you wrote this. Or, should I be flabbergasted !!

    One thing for sure you treated the idea defence purchase exactly like buying ready-made furnitures from a showroom

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad Sir, if there was any example of SUCKER PUNCH , yours above in reply to vijay qualifies and gets the crown

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    India is already onto 5th generation aircraft in collaboration with Russia.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The SU series is going to be manufactured. GR8 news.

    In case the Rafale is not beign manufactures then it is like buying an Ambassador as comapred to superior products

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Looks like you have been a missing a lot. India does not buy anything without having license to manufacture. This is a standard policy. Similarly 30% defence offset is too a standard policy for development of the local industry.

    engrich Reply:

    arms are purchased to get hefty commissions

    not for fighting.

    sarkozy swallowed the commission of pak military officers(billion dollars)with this money he married carla bruni.divorced first.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Post selected for “BOOKER PRIZE FOR COMIC CONSPIRACY THEORIES”

    engrich Reply:

    soon they will be outdated.war even if it happens will hardly change anything.

  • Ravi

    Vinay

    You have been busy.

    Many thanks for the posts, I will respond to each of your points as and when कश्म-कशे-जिंदगी permits me to.

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  • Anonymous

    UK and my garden is under ONE FEET of snow. So there will be ample scope for blogging today.Well we have read a closet jehadi and a confirmed deobandi , in Zia Haq. Now I read a self declared RSS in Vinay THE VIRTUES OF DEBDASI.
    Debdasi is NOOKIES for the priest in the temple.Full stop. Also IT WAS MOST POPULAR IN SOUTH.Never heard of debdasi system in Bengal. They needn’t they had an even vile system WIDOW BURNING, SATI.
    Now the original sati in rajasthan had definite MERITS.This was HONOURABLE .To escape the brutal sexual enslavement by the marauders , they decided to self immolate. This got corrupted in Bengal and ONLY REASON this was FORCED was to usurp property. More after my breakfast

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    engrich Reply:

    deodaasi were budhhdist nuns.after they lost brhmns used them as sex worker in their temple.anyhow past belong to god we should look for future.

    brhmns kharbon kha gaye ek bhi innovative invention nahin kar ke de.most of the times they are busy in showing others in bad light.of course they were angels.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi and others.

    Angioplasty of streams

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/angioplasty-of-streams/907948/

    Nothing, not even opposing ideologies, could stop Suresh Khanapurkar and Amrish Patel from scripting a water revolution in one of Maharashtra’s most arid areas.

    Khanapurkar, a retired geologist and a staunch RSS worker, and Amrish Patel, a local Congress MLC, worked together to bring 2,278 hectares of irrigation to about 35 of the 150-odd villages in Shirpur, a parched tribal block in Dhule district. That helped farmers grow two-three crops a year while earlier they could hardly grow one.

    ———-

    I salute the two.

    Read on

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    Anonymous Reply:

    great … hope is alive! very motivatioal!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 story. Good that they did not get into the trap of politics and trying to belittle each others beliefs.

    Water is going to be a huge problem as we add another 400 million people– more than the population of the US in an area one third that of US already occupied by three times the population of US…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Good that they did not get into the trap of politics and trying to belittle each others beliefs”.

    That is the way. Only if some would pay heed to what you have to say. I have my doubts.
    ————

    Agree. Solve the water problems in rural areas and half the battle is won. Then watch the people do wonders with their lives and the country will not need reservations, subsidies, etc. and there will be less corruption. Who needs a Lokpal?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Wonderful achievement!

    I had a chance to watch one of the debates of the republican primary candidates when I was in USA last month. The recurring theme from all of the candidates was “to get Washington out of our lives”. There is a definite anti-government, anti-Washington sentiment over there.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is naive of you , to think this is recent.Republicans ONLY MANTRA is anti govt.Yet while in Govt , they came up Govt sponsored home buying schemes , Fanny and May and all the malaki.
    MASSIVE DEFENCE SPENDING is also a republican trait , which is also 100% govt written all over it

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    My salutes to these two. come as a waft of fresh air in corruption laden air of India.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys,

    Next Yeär The Kingfisher Calendar Is Going to Be The Best Ever, Since Now They Don’t Have Money To Buy Even BIKINIS For Models.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saheb-

    Great!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope they have funds for the cheerleaders’ dresses…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    i think you missed Shenoy Sir’s joke.

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  • Anonymous

    Anti-graft fight : RSS slams Anna for not acknowledging ‘role’ of its workers

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/anigraft-fight-rss-slams-anna-for-not-acknowledging-role-of-its-workers/908206/

    The RSS today slammed Gandhian Anna Hazare for failing to acknowledge that its workers had played an “active role” in his nationwide crusade against corruption last year, though the Sangh itslef was not part of the civil society agitation.

    ————

    Read on.

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  • Anonymous

    ———————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~ WHY INSULTING ARUN SHOURIE without facts reveals a soft brain ~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————————-

    I have had personal occassion to interact with Arun Shourie.

    he is not the orator politican but the brainy backroom boy. He by the way, donated part of his MPLAD fund to research in IIT as compared to many MPs who use it for “personal” growth.

    Anybody with a knowledge of rudimentary politics owuld know that the dynasty hates him and so do the sycophants of the dynasty — like Aiyar, Digvinash and Co– ofr he persisted with investigation and broke the first story of corrption at hig level which the Congress always carried on with.

    His searing indcitment of terrorism and fostering of it is unmantched. All of his articles and books are well researched and factual. You may not agree with them. BUT TO CALL HIM ISLAMOPHOBIC IS STUPID.

    many mosques in India are built on temples. That is a fact. In case Shourie points this out, it is not Islamophobia.

    The Kutub Minar in Delhi is built right on the centre of a Jain mounment. Even the Delhi tourism brochure says that. And to visitors, the contrast of HIndu dancing temple girls and goddesses alongside the Qutub Minar built onto it is obvious. Others would call this an Islamophobia…

    Is telling the truth– Islamophobia?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay-
    We need more and more Shouries to be open and call a spade a spade. That is the only way for the country to move forward.
    We have done too many bad things to get votes… a blatant exposition is now happening in UP!
    Making Urdu the second language will improve the livelihood of Muslims!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think they are all taking Muslims on to the wrong path, and trying to isolate them. Sad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shoeb, Vijay Kumar,

    Arun Shourie has made scathing attacks on Ambedkar too. For that reason, should we call him a dalitophobic?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Arun Shourie’s obsession with the truth makes him at odds with many a people…

  • AshishC

    Precisely..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Be ready ! A lot of assignments coming your way. Chotta Baba and Congress have desired tthat Urdu be made the second langauge in India’s laregest state.

    So i might as well get my employees to learn Urdu as well. While you can now hope for mutliplying clients by starting an Urdu cell….

    Prahaladji can start translatig the collected works of the Nehru dynasty– from Motilal to Chotta baba– into Urdu

    India is on the move !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are joking, right?

    In the entire Nehru Khandaan, except for Jawahar, nobody else has anything for anybody to “translate” into Urdu.

    In this respect, it is difficult to say who is more illiterate-Sonia or Baba!

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  • Anonymous

    To all Arun Upasaks(worshippers)
    Yet, in the same interview, Shourie invited the RSS to seize overt control of the party and casually, almost indifferently, flicked away the butchery of Muslims in Gujarat 2002. He spoke at great length about Prime Minister Vajpayee’s anguish and dilemma over Gujarat and concluded, “Frankly, I must say, I was more affected by Atalji’s pain than by what had happened in Gujarat. Maybe this is my inhumanity or something. I can’t claim that I was that great liberal

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you should actually quote Arun Shourie directly rather than quote someone who says that “this is what Arun Shourie says or thinks…”

    Give us a quote of Islamophobia from his books or articles.

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  • Ravi

    Vinay

    I will respond to your posts on a topic by topic basis.

    DEVDASI AS A SANCTIFIED PRACTICE

    1. My brining DAVDASI into blog discussions is based upon two main objectives.

    1.1 In this blog there are people who repeatedly beat the 8.5% growth drum up to cacophonous levels of volumes, They totally ignore to mention that for a very very very large number of Indian’s, – Hindus and Muslims alike this growth rate – impressive as it is – has brought no material difference to their mundane and poor lives. Continuation of ancient Devdasi tradition is merely an example of the impotence of this growth beyond DPS/St Columbian class of Indian’s. How and why Devdasi tradition developed is not in dispute neither is its social value. However, in the 21st Century India will be judged not just by the impressive growth rates, but by how it treats the most vulnerable elements among its society. Poor women are the kasauti upon which Hinduism will be finally judged.

    1.2 Unbelievably crass and insulting sentiments against Islam are frequently projected here in order to show that religion in a significant bad light. A religion that is followed by 1.5 billion people covering half the globe. These people ignore un-savoury elements – such as Devdasi and Child-marriage, often sighting “much improvements” have been made. “Oh you are here with an anti-Hindu agenda”, as if I invented Devdasi and Child marriage traditions. It is true that rapid urbanisation and secular education is toxic to these traditions and is contributing to their erosion. But one cannot say that religious ENLIGHTENMENT among Hindu priests is accelerating that process. It most certainly is not
    .
    1.3 I do not see any relevance of your UK case study here at all, beyond you trying to associate me to the general situation in the UK, just as I am doing to you by making you a part of the collective responsibility of all that Hinduism permits to happen in India society. That as it may be, I will address the point. Prostitution is illegal in the UK and it remains so. So the question of Job advertisements for such jobs does not exist. Individual prostitutes do post cards in phone booths (not many of which now survive) advertising their services. These are tolerated by the society but are not sanctified by the church. Though Bible does have something to say about how the prostitutes should be treated. It does not recommend that priests exploit them for their own as well as the pleasure of their friends. In the UK, mothers do not willingly donate their daughters to an institution, which they know in advance would sexually exploit them. They do do that in India. Most English prostitutes are also substance abusers, or have been abused by family members and neighbours, including some stupid Muslim youths who maintain double standards and exploit poor white girls and leading them into prostitution. Your defence of this inhuman tradition is noted. The English society does not deny the existence of prostitution, it merely refuses to legalise it, unlike in Holland where it is a legal registered trade.

    1.4 Poverty is not unique to India, but the way Hinduism deals with it is unique to India.

    Finally, I do not care what Islam does or does not. I am not in a race either with Islam or with Pakistan, though many here feel as if they are. Good luck to them.

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  • Anonymous

    This a joke to dethrone kpnkan ex ban manage er,
    BEFORE MARRIAGE(after agreeing to get nmarried))
    BOY: At least you have agreed ,I could not take it any longer!
    GIRL Are you going to leave me
    BOY, Definitely Not!, Dont ever think about it
    GIRL Do you love me
    BOY Definitely , …………..throughout my life
    GIRL.Would you cheat on me?
    BOY Nah!!! How could this come to your head
    GIRL Would you play with my hair
    BOY Definitely!!! whenever I get the chance…….
    GIRL Will you ever hurt me ?
    BOY Are you mad , I am not that kind of person
    GIRL Can I trust you
    BOY Yeah!
    GIRL Darling!!!
    (For conversation AFTER THE MARRIAGE , READ BOTTOM UP)

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan.
    Good one. do not agree with Bank manager stuff. His sense of humor is much mre than yours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    I liked the joke. A very cleverly worded and constructed.

    Even if it is meant for me, it made me laugh.

    By the way, my marriage with my wife from a love marriage, is completing four decades in a couple of months.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The “dethrone” is a compliment , because it presumes you are occupying the THRONE , so far jokes are concerned

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is to the old man (with whom I mostly spar ) and his wife ….
    Sabki Apni Arz-E-Wafaa,
    Sabke Apne Dil ke Raaz,
    Sabke Apne Apne Taj,
    Sabki Apni Apni Mumtaaz

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————-
    ~~ VIJAY KUMAR GETS UP ~~~~ after the sucker punch !! ~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Thanks Prabhat ! !

    You supposedly delivered a sucker punch…. Well I did not realise that it was a sucker punch, till someone said it was. !!! :)

    But let me make things a bit more clear to get at what I was trying to explain– since you did try a diversionary tactic. That life always gives us new opportunities and in case you are trying for perfection, it is necessary to be flexible. In case India wanted the best, the brueaucratic tender clauses should not have been a barrier for our defence purchases..

    Now here are two sitautions. On what I would have done and what the smarter guy did.

    SCENE 1: An apple falls on a lonely unmarried guy in rural England.

    Vijay Kumar would have just said… wahe guru… thank you for the apple and eaten it.

    The smarter guy called Isaac Newton developed his theories on gravity…

    SCENE 2: A thoroughly engrossed scientist is developing a cultre in a petri dish in London. By accident tthe lab assistant keeps the window open leading to “pollution” of the original program

    Vijay Kumar, that is me, would have just pulled the lab asistants ears, then realised that he too is human and taken him out for the beer.

    The smarter guy called Fleming, used this as an opportunity and discovered penicillin.

    And penicillin is one big reason why many of us are alive today..

    ——————————————————————————————————————————

    I knwo you are going to take a crack and say that “Are defence purchases like discovering gravity or penicillin?”

    Well I hope you have the insight to see the bigger picture that in life, business, science and Government– you need to have the vision to think bigger.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I am lost in that word-wide-web you tried to weave. Let me pick up a part that I think is in continuation of our discussion.

    You said :

    “….In case India wanted the best, the brueaucratic tender clauses should not have been a barrier for our defence purchases…..”

    Are you trying tell us that we must step out of the boundary of procedures while going for defence purchases ? And you think, like you, all Indians are going to support that !

    Will you and your favourite opposition leaders stand shoulder to shoulder and explain to Mr Vinod Rai, CAG when he talks about Rs. 28.75 lakh thousand crores of loss arising out of such purchases ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahlad Sir

    not a world wide web !! just flexibilty of thought. It is not applicable for telecom bcos in telecom you want revenue by auction. herre you ar4e selecting the best option.

    Arre you knwo the answer… but of course you would try to twist. I am just going tthough this excecise to learn means and ways of getting the message to people who twist the arguement!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    It’s neither applicable to Telecom nor Defence purchase.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Let me ask you a reverse question. Supposing you work for an organsiation which takes part in the F 1 rally. Now just when you are debating whether to buy a car which speeds at 300 km, you get an offer of a care manufacturer of a car which goes to 450 km

    What would be your choice?

    Give the right answer brother. 30 people are watching and reading this…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Never buy a new shoe and wear just 5 minutes before a career interview.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is a question.

    If a company’s budget is limited and in its view a particular car is best suited in the environment they operate, would you insist the company buy the best car – Mercedes or a Rolls Royce, costing several times over?

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Why just stop at Budget.

    Wny not that each tender submitted is considered against a host of criteria, and if as a result the most favoured tender is not that of the best/fastest, then so be it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not stop at budget. The other criteria was included in the environment part.

    Ravi Reply:

    So the procurement procedure should be, and is….develop a criteria and measure all submissions against it.

    To me that is what was done…..so I am not sure what the issue is.

    To me it is a non-issue.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The issue is the Congress party and the Gandhi family, as far as Vijay is concerned.

    Ravi Reply:

    Nothing new or important then

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think we should get over the obsession of trying to do things for ther parivar or the COngress but think of what is best for India. My advice to you !

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    It is only you and your fellow travelers who are obsessed, hence you should get over it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi Sir,

    The issue is Vijay Sir wants Indian ministers and officers to break the procedures and grab somrthing that that’s vaguely offered by a party who lost out on the regular bidding process.

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad

    I understand, that is what opposition always say. But when in power do exactly what needs doing.

    The Civil service controls the procurement proceedure.

    Anonymous Reply:

    and that company 1ith the 450kmspeed car also says, “you do not have to deal with us under the table in any manner”

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahalad-

    I believe he is not saying that the procedures be discarded, but they be modified for certain types of procurement –that one size doesnt fit all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Shoeb,

    Vijay Sir did not say that. You need to refer to few pages before.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shoeb.

    I said exactly that. Thanks for the choice fo the right words.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    You seem to have greatly appreciated mr Shoeb’s suggestion –

    “…procedures ( be discarded, but they ) be modified for certain types of procurement…”

    Could you please tell us how do you suggest to modify the procedure for the recent Defence Procurement ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    is it by design or merely by habit you “sir” some people here and do not others (Shoeb, for example)?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The decision to purchase a particular type of aircraft must have gone through the standard procedures laid down. You would be the first one to go to Jantar Mantar or Ramlila grounds (take your pick) and accuse the Government (read Congress) of massive fraud and corruption if the process was not followed (the fact is you have already cast aspersions on the whole process for reasons too well known – you need a stick to beat .. ). Right?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I often cross Jantar Mantar and always do admire its understated sublime architecture. And when I cross India gate I do respect the Amr jawan Jyoti.

    It is then that I remind myself that our forces should alwasy have the best equipment and not be throttled by bureaucratic controls and procedures.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In that case, answer the question posed to you by Prahlad

    “Will you and your favourite opposition leaders stand shoulder to shoulder and explain to Mr Vinod Rai, CAG when he talks about Rs. 28.75 lakh thousand crores of loss arising out of such purchases”?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If I were part of the CONGRESS… I would have deflated Vindo rai to 60000 crores actual losesses fro mhis figure of 28.75 lakh crore losses.

    But then I would never supprt a party which winks at the LeT, creates dynastic succession and is obsessed with the gaddi and is willing to follow Jinnah’s policies for getting power.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is not the answer to the question. Never mind. It is 2 AM. Good night.

  • Anonymous

    Vinay

    I would respond to your post addressed to me earlier today re:RSS in the new blog that would be uploaded tomorrow by Vinod Sharma, it would save you the trouble of navigating back to old blog(s).

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  • Ravi

    Vinay

    Topic number two:

    The RSS

    It is absolutely true that I often – provocatively – compare the RSS with LeT. However, I have never made such detailed comparisons, as you have. My rationale is as follows:

    LeT – is essentially a socially conservative RELIGIOUS organisation which uses POLITICAL means to progress its religious goals.

    RSS – is a conservative POLITICAL organisation, which uses RELIGIOUS means to progress its political goals.

    Both parties are ultra conservative who wish to regress their respective societies to an imagined utopia where the OTHERS did not exist. Both parties deal with incendiary mixture of Religion and Politics, which IMO is dangerous.

    Let;- pursues an active anti-India (Hindu) policy, whist the RSS is deep down an anti-Islam organisation whose first priority is to further reduce the status of Indian Muslims, to little more than a disenfranchised minority, living in India at the beck and call of their Hindu Masters.

    Madrassa’s – LeT did not create Madrassa’s, it merely high jacked them and tried to mould them into an institution which serves its Religopolitical objectives. Madrassas in the past were not a danger to their society. I do not dis-agree with you in so far as the role of Madrassa in keeping the Muslim society backwards. All I am saying is that LeT did not create them it just appropriated them.

    RSS – On other hand did not have a net-work of Madrassa type of organisations that it could have high-jacked, so it created a net-work of Shakhas (where Sanskrit is the norm) to serve its Politicoreligious objectives. These shakhas are little more than brain washing units where imagined Hindu/Bhartiya values are taught. These are then underpinned with equally imaginative history of India.

    When any natural calamities strike, either India or Pakistan, then Let and RSS are there trying to support their respective societies. These are not selfless acts; they are carefully selected to act as image building activities and to form the basis for future recruitment.

    Both organisations wish to perform the role of King-makers in their respective spheres of influence, without ever having fought an election.

    HISTORY – Both organisations are actively involved in tilting the history of their countries to the right. Not sure which school you went to, but in the Air Force Central School, Race Course, my History teacher never ever let us forget the debt we owed to Bhagat Singh, Raj Guru, Sukhdev, Sunhash Chandra Bose, etc. Bal, Pal, and SVBP were our heros. Mine was not a right-wing school, far from it. I studied Sanskrit until class nine and 40 years after living in England, I can still write decent Hindi. I never ever felt as if the History I was taught short changed our Indian Heros.

    There is absolutely no doubt what so ever in my mind that the RSS/LeT combo are press ganging history to serve their political objectives. This is not to say that some correction in our historical biases is not necessary, it is, but wholesale re-writing is a political rather than pedagogical act.

    RIOTS: Without a shadow of doubt many political analysts, as well as philosophers, have long concluded that the RSS uses communal riots for consolidating its Hindu Right Vote Bank. Just like the Congress uses reservations/etc. for the consolidation of its minority and Muslim Vote Banks. In the grand scheme of things this is a zero sum game. Ever thought why these adversaries not swap their vote banks. In other words why is it that the RSS does not have Muslim appeasing policies and Congress adopts a Hindu Right appeasing agenda. The answer lies in the basic make-up of these parties. One is liberal and the other conservative.

    That is also the reason why in 1940s Congress declined overtures made by RSS to form a political alliance.

    Your video is interesting. There are 100’s of such videos showing Hitler addressing Nazi youth. They also do not come across riotous, more like ultra-nationalists. Riots are a stealth policy not discussed in front of cameras.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi-

    LeT aids, abets, and conducts murderous terrorist activities. Previously it was limited to Pakistan and India; recently they declared they are game everywhere.

    You are like the Fox news of US – looks like you want to be “fair and balanced” always — why cannot you discuss LeT without having to bring RSS into it?

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    Guest Reply:

    Shoeb Thanks very much. I will consider your suggestion, next I have a nano second to waste.

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    engrich Reply:

    rss is far more voilent and brute than let.let is loosing its hold from educated class.in india their activities limited upto kashmir.they are not anti-hindu,like rss.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In 1948 RSS assassinated Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru promptly banned it as anti-national. In his opinion, being anti-congress was equal to being antti-nation.

    The ban was held anti-virus of the law by the then wholly British legal system.

    In 1963, when Nehru had become but a skeleton of his former spirit, after his close friend Chou-en-lai dealt a deathly blow to his self esteem and India’s territorial integrity, the same Nehru invited RSS to participate in the republic day parade on Rajpath, after he saw the work of thousands of swayamsevaks in the war efforts.

    Therefore, it is only a twisted, Islamic fundo like fake Ravi, who can conjure up similarities between the LeT and the RSS. Please note, his description of the LeT: ‘LeT – is essentially a socially conservative RELIGIOUS organisation which uses POLITICAL means to progress its religious goals. “

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  • Anonymous

    Shan-

    You are right about the republicans’ penchant of defence spending. They consider all “social” spending bad, but defence spending is noble and sacred!!

    But I believe things are changing. Tea Party, their aggressive grass roots movement, apparently is for cutting all govt spending including defence.

    Hopefully our US based bloggers like Rajeev can elaborate.

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ THIS BLOG, THREE PEGS OF WHISKY & hardcore SCIENCE ~~~~
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    Since it is a new day and probably my last posting of the night, let me make an honest confession. That this blog is addictive and keeps me glued onto a research program of which I am a small part. On how we could use the structural dynamics of the human skeletel system to make better machines.

    So with one eye on the window of this blog, another on the human skelaton in another website and the discovery channel on on my TV , I have enough material to keep my brain racing. And of course the bottle of teachers on my table…

    My weighing machine tells me that I need to restrict my consumption of good ol alcohol to about once a week … and which I have done…

    Am I closer to filing a report of some success after this long lazy Sunday? not really…

    It all goes one mm by one millimetre forward..

    But tremendously good fun…

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  • pankaj#1

    Shan;
    that was not an interview. Both Khushwant and Kuldeep nayyar had gone on to call on him.
    The words you are ascribing to Arun were never uttered by any one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The above was WALK THE TALK with SEKHAR GUPTA in NDTV , reproduced in THE INDIAN EXPRESS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why don’t you post video link?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I’ll do it for you. See my recent post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Chingulate,

    your friend, engrich, says godhra train burning was done by the RSS.

    LeT has circulated secret documents showing photocopies of bulk bookings of return tickets by RSS sarsangchaalak three weeks before the burning. They had also purchased 2000 litres of petrol in the various bunks of Godhra.

    Therefore, we can safely agree with Rahul Baba that LeT is actually a friend of India and Hindus and it is the RSS wich is anti-national and needs to be abnned on the evidence available with engrich.

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  • Anonymous

    check mate
    Shekhar Gupta: And that call would have been to do what?

    Arun Shourie: That Modi should resign. Immediately after we came back we had to go to the meeting of the national executive in Goa and I was told you must be on the flight. I said, ‘No, that is not right. Only Advaniji and he (Vajpayee) should be there. They should thrash it out and finish it. Whatever they decide, whether Modi stays or go’. And frankly, I must say, I was more affected by Atalji’s pain than by what had happened in Gujarat. Maybe this is my inhumanity or something. I can’t claim that I was that great liberal.
    The Indian Express : Wed Aug 26 2009, 02:24 hrs

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have seen the ” walk the talk ” you are referring too. Shourie as I remember was critical fo the RSS and the BJP also. But more importantly he talked of only people like Sardar Patel having an abiligty to control riots by their commanding personalities.

    Yes he did say that peopel react violently at times especially when bad news which casue emotions to ruffle comes in. He did mention the 84 riots.

    But how can you call him an ISlamophobe based on this. ?

    There is a commonly held view that the Gujrat riots would have never happened inc ase Godhra had not happened. So what is wrong with thinking along these lines?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In case you suffer from hypermetropia,
    here it is in BOLD LETTERS
    “AND FRANKLY I MUST SAY I WAS MORE AFFECTED BY ATALJI’S PAIN THAN WHAT HAPPENED IN GUJRAT”

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    engrich Reply:

    There is a commonly held view that the Gujrat riots would have never happened inc ase Godhra had not happened

    ahmadabad riot was preplanned.bogey at godhra was set on fire by rss goons to provide reason for riot.90%of accused are released remaing will be released by supreme court.fresh enquiry will be instituted and true culprits will be caught.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    “There is a commonly held view that the Gujrat riots would have never happened inc ase Godhra had not happened. So what is wrong with thinking along these lines”?

    … That is one view and everything is wrong with it, if you ask me.

    What happened in Godhra and whoever is responsible (the final word on it has not yet been said on it) is no justification for unleashing violence on people who had nothing to do with it. Will you answer the question – what crime did these innocent people (1400+ Muslims and Hindus) commit to deserve death?

    If A commits a crime, would you go punish B, who may happen to have the same name or religion or caste or A’s neighbour or A’s relative or all or none of the above?

    Isn’t this happening, especially in our villages? Two people in love elope (right or wrong) and the families are made to ‘pay’ for the ‘crime’. Medieval justice!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I never gave justifcation for the riots. I have been personally a protector of the victims in riots– in 1984 ( my father really as I was a bachcha then– was the organiser of a relief camp in Delhi )and in 1990’s when madness hit Delhi, I personally organised the evacuatio fo some Muslim friends form Welcom colony.

    The point I was making was so different from the intrepretation you gave to it.

    I was saying that people thought Godhra was the trigger which made people pounce on each other. Your intrepretaion was that I was justifying the riots ! How sad

    Anyway riots are by itself a madness. You have to understand mob psycholgy and how it is inflammed by a desire for revenge. (Now please dont say that I am justifying mob psychology). Riots from London to Ahemdabad happen becasue of a percieved lack of action by the state giving the lumpens the might to take the revenge pn behalf of the public.

    If I remember correctly, in 2002, neighbours were fighting pitched battles. I dont think it is easy for the police to control the situation in case the situation goes so much out of hand.

    Sad that it happened. We need to make sure it does not any more..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    The congressi troll sheds exclusive tears for the post-Godhra riot victims, because more Muslims than Hindus died.

    The people who lost their lives and homes in hundreds of other riots, in which Muslims have been the known and proven instigators, too were innocent and “what crime did these innocent people (Muslims and Hindus) commit to deserve death?”

    Riots happen. Have been happening for hundreds of years, ever since Muslim rule came to India and Hindus began being forcibly converted and their temples began getting destroyed or turned into mosques.

    Like most of those riots, Godhra too was executed in a planned manner.

    Delhi pogrom against Sikhs was the only one in history, where congressi Hindus who otherwise swore by non-violence and Mahatma Gandhi, set upon and massacred 5000 innocent Sikh men, women and children.

    I too was an eye witness to some of these slayings.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I put the questions based on what you wrote and your response do not provide any answers, on the contrary raises more.

    To avoid embarrassment and discomfort to you, I will not raise those, unless you specifically request me to.

  • Anonymous

    @Ravi & Manohar,

    Sati: I did not compare it with any other religion. Just said, prostitution occurs in every religion. (Parents abusing children is again another different topic). I would take earlier Indian society for the word “Hindu” and sanctioning to me is “legalising”. Can you tell me what is the difference between “Hinduism sanctions Devadasi” differs from “prostitution is a legal registered trade in Holland”.

    RSS: Unless backed by substantiate evidences, I would consider it as your opinions rather than facts. First comparison with LeT, now Nazi. But still Muslims survive and thrive in India unlike Jews under Hitler.

    I had not heard of Hindu Dharma Raksha Samiti, Dimna Akhara before reading about these riots. I do not consider Bhajrang Dal & Ram Sene as part of RSS. If I am correct, Bhajrang Dal’s association is with Shivsena and Ram Sene’s president has links with Bhajrangdal.

    I have always opposed the “yatra business”, be it “rath yatra” or “tiranga yatra” in Lal Chowk. It was during rath yatra time that I got dissociated from RSS. Not because I predicted any riots. But was bored by the hype a Masjid/temple got over real problems of India. No. I don’t belong to liberals who believe Indian secularism died with the demolition of one Masjid and can be got only by rebuilding. I just felt, the problem could have been resolved better by dealing locally without the hype. I don’t find any problem with RSS interfering with BJP. My problem is, it does not step in for the right reason (like corruption), instead for unwanted reasons (like Advani’s comment on Jinnah).

    Just wanted to clarify few, as I can’t debate every point at this time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We can have our views and opinions, hence disagree to agree on some and agree to agree on others.

    We can leave this topic closed for the time being and perhaps discuss it later at some future date.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vinay

    Here is the difference between SANCTIFIED and LEGAL. Devdasi system is centered on HINDU TEMPLES, priests are involved, and that is why it is sanctified.

    Prostitution the world over (yes I agree it is in every society, every era and every religion) is tolerated by the society; it is not encouraged, nor are there are any religious sanctions for it. In the UK it is not legalised, prostitutes do not pay tax or national insurance on their ill gained earnings. Criminal prosecutions can be brought against individual women who indulge in this type of act. Men soliciting sex from women can also be prosecuted. In the 70s there were a few Judges in the UK who had been prosecuted for curb crawling. The same is not true of Holland, where prostitutes sit in brightly lit windows advertising their services, the state is involved, but the Church is not, and that is the difference between being legal and/or sanctified.

    As far as RSS is concerned, it is my opinion. Are you suggesting that what you are saying are facts. If you are then let me explicitly state that I am only stating my opinions on what I consider to be substantive facts. Based upon two books and several other studies.

    I did not make a straight comparison between the RSS and Nazi’s, though they are both ultra nationalist, fascistic organizations. My comparison was between your video clip and many such clips of Nazi rallies that can be seen on the History Channel.

    The fact that Muslims survive and thrive in India is thanks to its secular constitution, general outlook and the toleration of Hindu religion. It is NO THANKS to the RSS and its anti-Muslim policies.

    Vinay, your personal journey is just that, personal. RESPECT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Applause.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Applause for what..Bull-Shitting..

    Anonymous Reply:

    “But still Muslims survive and thrive in India unlike Jews under Hitler.”
    THAT IS BECAUSE RSS HAS NOT TAKEN OVER INDIA
    India to date remains a SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC where officially caste is not recognised, THERE WAS A DALIT PRESIDENT OF INDIA, A FAR CRY FROM RSS RULED INDIA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Same BJP/RSS govt. gave you muslim president.

    You have no clue about BJP or RSS but it is a relief that you don’t love Congress either.

    You slam everyone..basically you have no ideology.

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  • Anonymous

    Dear All,

    Lot of discussions have happened in this Blog on DEVDASI and RSS. Let me also add my opinion to this discussion. As I think tackling an issue from its basics is the best alternative, so I will limit myself to basics.

    DEVDASI

    IMO, Devdasi system must have had its roots in strong Bhakti Tradition of Hindus. As happens in so many cases, it degenerated in exploitation. However, let us address an important question here. Is or Was Devdasi system MAINSTREAM with Hindus. Answer to this is clear NO. It originated and was practiced in a limited area around present day Karnatka. Even in that area , I have my serious doubts that it was widely prevalent. Also not many women were involved in it even during its peak period. I am sure none of Bloggers here would have ever met one. In my extensive travels across Karnatka and visiting various temples, I could not meet any devdasi, even after trying . Knowledge that such a practice is existent was also very very limited. Whatever was there of this system has also more or less gone. Discussions on devdasi can be done in our theoretical understanding of systems which have originated and how they have originated. They can not be discussed based on a current problem at hand. DEVDASI is more of a discussion to irritate and confuse ,rather than solve any issue.

    RSS

    As I had made my opinion earlier also , Hindu Communalism is a very MILD Reaction to Islamic Ideology in practice. Origin and Nurturing of RSS is from the same background. Remove Islamic ideological practices and RSS has no basis. RSS needs LET’ likes’ for its survival , but LET does not need RSS’ likes ‘for its birth and survival. It has enough explosive material in Koran, Hadith and Islamic History for its birth and and very healthy survival.

    Now a question, IS presence of RSS good or Bad? IMO, till Indian society either through governmental action or otherwise is able to tame this Islamic Ideological practice, destroy this notion of Islamic superiority (which actually stems from deep inferiority complex),RSS or its various variants will be born and nurtured. In that sense, presence of RSS is good.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,
    Take a chill pill buddy..Whatever you say, Jihadi gang and their congressi partners will keep on with their propaganda..Don’t waste your time and energy. According to them whatever congress says is last word and add to that they strongly believe that muslims backwardness is because of OTHERS.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinay,

    take the advice of Rajeev, you have shown tremendous patience and scholarship and with lucidity of thought too, trying to engage with these jihadi fundoos.

    You are also seeing that he entire exercise has been an utter waste.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke , If there was anything known as “glossing over” in this blog , your comments on RSS will qualify surely.
    May I politely remind you THAT ALMOST ALL THE FOUNDERS OF RSS WERE ORTHODOX MARATHI BRAMHINS,and it remains to date a repository of bramhinical hegemony and orthodoxy.In an independent secular india when the BRAMHINS WERE GETTING THEIR KNICKERS TWISTED, they wanted to RECLAIM THEIR TWICE BORN RIGHT OF OPPRESSION
    Muslim hate or reaction to muslim extreemism is a convinient ploy TO HIDE ITS STRIPES.
    Same ploy was used by NAZI’s turning all the attention and blaming JEWS for all the problem that germany was facing.
    Nowonders the BIGGEST admirer of RSS in this blog happens to be bramhins,
    one came out of the closet and wrote a PROPAGANDA MATERIAL reminiscent of Goebbels. Again no wonder that is built along Hitler’s Youth movement and BROWN SHIRT, which has become slight pale and thus KHAKIl

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Brilliantly put.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What is so brilliant about this latest doze of brahmin bashing your jihadi gang is so full of? What new thing this Nirad clone has revealed that you have not said before a hundred times (except, perhaps, the 5000 dalit rapes daily by brahmins in India)?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Actually, IMHO, the structure has evolved into a fascist structure that finds compelled to mould its discourse beyond the notions of caste and religious supremacy.
    Insistence on rabid nationalism and authoritarianism that questions the effectiveness of democracy are more nearer and visible features.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahesh,

    you being a congressi, I would have expected you to use the word ‘fascist’ with a lot of circumspection and also caution, particularly after reading what was revealed here as to the parentage of Rajmata Sonia Ghandy. I am sure you have not forgotten that Sr.Maino was not only a foot soldier of the Fascist army of Genaralissimo Mussolini, even now he is an ardent adherent of the philosophy.

    I didn’t know that rabies affects one’s nationalism too.

    And because Gopi Thomas here has more than once questioned the effectiveness of democracy, would you dare to call him a rabid nationalist? Should he start wearing khaki knicker and kaali topi?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Thanks again for the “congressi” label. Revel in the art of labeling while you are at it is all I can say.
    As for Sr. Maino’s fascism and RajMata’s inheritence of it, well – you may need to find somebody who is more fond of engaging in or debunking the “associative fiction”. It ain’t me , though.

    I am sure you pretty much read my whole sentence
    about the authoritarian streak questioning the effectiveness of democracy – and yet you felt compelled to seek Gopi’s support. Now, isn’t that scurrying ?

    BTW, Good that you brought in Gopi. Let me pose him a question too.
    So, my question to Gopi….
    Do we see the current helplessness of masses as ineffectiveness of democracy or incompleteness of what currently passes for democracy ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Add to that Congressi who supports Islamic terror and Raj Thackrey.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can never compete with the cadence of your language

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Shan,

    You have mentioned “Glossing Over” in first line. There after you have mentioned everything , but the reason of your belief that it is “Glossing Over”. Someone’s caste, comparison with Nazi does not make any sense to me for a simple and basic point.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaoleke

    It is called “imagination going wild” when people start equating Nazis and LeTs and the worldwide Muslim Terrorists to RSS. The “what if” game secularists and their fundamentalist Muslim buddies play is no different from the Jewish lobby’s constant mantra “Jews are in danger” – so we have to take out the nukes of Iran, or increase settlements… What if RSS takes over power, what if they become more fascist…

    While this “what if” is happening, the local newspapers here reported a few days ago about a link between Dawood Ibrahim and a Dubai based Kerala businessman, and how this businessman is buying properties as a benami for Dawood all over South India (and especially in kerala); it talked about the Paksiatni fake currency notes dumped by Dawood through these connections. However, what was more disturbing is that there was no mention of any NIA investigation. It seems the govt is handling this through the normal/formal bureaucratic/memo process with the Home Ministry asking the state police chiefs to investigate and report… So that is the UPA terrorism handling for you.

    Have the perpetrators of the Diamond Bazar and High Court bombings been rounded up?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    “”Jews are in danger”

    Let me rephrase that. “Hindus are in danger” (why not “Indians are in danger”?) and we have been hearing this in India for long with much more intensity since the early 90s. Danger from whom? Mostly, historical ‘demons’.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke

    RSS

    Very strange lines of reasoning, if I may say so.

    1) Remove this then that will not have any justification. Why not remove that then this will not have any justification?

    2) This needs that and that does not this for survival.

    The particular entities mentioned by you – the RSS and the LET in the same sentences speaks volumes more about the RSS than LET. Does the RSS take on the LET directly in India or across the borders? No sir, it targets our own citizens who happen to share the same religion. In any case, could you name the organisation like LET (or should we say with mirror like ideology like the RSS), before 1925, which prompted the founding of the RSS, if one goes by your logic, a sort of raison d’etre?

    LET and other anti-Indian outfits happen to be a national problem not the problem of the Hindutvawadis alone.

    In this context you should read my rejoinder to Vijay earlier today re: Gujarat 2002, where he was attempting to justify the reaction that followed.

    If we go by your logic, then one would like to know the existence of LET-like Christian organisation(s) – that compels the RSS to justify itself and target the Christians – Orissa 2008 being the prime example.

    There have been problems between different religious communities in India, however these were sought to be accentuated by the RSS starting with that infamous ‘yatra business’ and they have succeeded to some extent.

    One needs to take note of the following two statements by you.
    1) Hindu Communalism is a very MILD Reaction to Islamic Ideology in practice.

    2) In that sense, presence of RSS is good. (That sense having been articulated by you).

    Again speaks volumes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I think you are trying to be sly. I never JUSTIFED the riots. I said that mob frenzy is bad but at times out of control of the forces. Education to the masses to live together is the way out. Not pandering to religious extremists.

    The real justification for riots was done by the Father of the dunce who said, “jab koi bada ped girtaa hai dharti hilti hai…

    The real forces which create riots are OCngrssis who gave hate speeches. Sjaan Kumar., probably responsibel for at least ahundred murders was feted by the Congress with a ticket right till 2004. Tytler and Bhagat and so many others…

    But then to spot a Congressi communalist or a dynastic sycophant is very very difficult for you… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like your post is in the wrong thread. See my reply to you in the earlier thread also.

    I was expecting you and your “guru’ to raise 1984 – isn’t it a reflex action out of sheer habit? This is obfuscation. I will repeat my views (articulated several times earlier) and ask you a question (for which you have always always failed to answer. Silence is golden, as they say).

    I have always condemned and hold Rajiv Gandhi responsible for 1984 and it is tragic and criminal that no justice has been given to the victims. Now the sucker question (asked before many times earlier) – who do you hold responsible for 2002. As I said, you need not answer the question if it is going to cause ………….

    Anonymous Reply:

    The rioters of 2002 need to be punished. End of matter.

    Rajiv gandhi needs to be stripped of the Bharat Ratna. End of the matter.

    The COngres till day honors the leaders who INSTIGATED the riots.

    I have the honor of living in a colony where Sajjan Kumar’s daughter lives. She by itself is an extreme example fo the lumpen power the Congress weilded as at every step– including parking a a car wrongly, letting her dog bite the colony kids etc etc– she can ring up Sjjan Kumar, who sends tthe Delhi police to settle the matter in her favour. And like a true Congressi she boastaz that “humne dilli par hukamat ki hai…”

    That is the blackmail power of COngress rioters whoc can expose the top people of the COngress in thier complicity in riots– that they will never be punished…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Again – no answer to a specific query. Never mind, you carry on with your bashing of your preferred targets. I have no problem with that.

    Anonymous Reply:

    u never read my first line

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who says? I also read the second line and the rest of your reply. If it is any comfort, IMO, Rajiv Gandhi did not deserve the Bharat Ratna in the first place.

    For Gujarat 2002, who should be stripped of what? You cannot have one standard for 1984 and another for 2002. Can you or is it par for the course for you?

    Anyway carry on with your bashing. Wherever appropriate I will join you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    You are wasting your time. Here is Congressi-Jihadi nexus who thrive on each other.

    For them lives of Sikhs have no value.

    Ravi Reply:

    It is a dog day afternoon

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dear Manohar,

    Either you have not read my post completely, or you have not understood the basics or you do not believe in Basics. It is the basics i was discussing.There is no need to spin a complicated web around simple basics.

    I have mentioned RSS” like” and LET “like”. It is not a direct comparison of these two organisations. It is only two prominently named organisations known at this time espousing their particular philosophies. At another time, it could be two or many more entirely differently named organisations.

    Please understand the Basics.I am sure your reply would be different in that case.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did read it, understood the basics and replied accordingly, unless you meant something other than what you wrote.

    engrich Reply:

    the RSS and the LET in the same sentences speaks volumes more about the RSS than LET. Does the RSS take on the
    they are gang of cowards only kill rickshaw pullers and fruit sellers.
    tell me one rss man died defending the nation.during they start hoarding and harrasing hapless muslims.

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  • Anonymous

    Here is walk the talk with Arun Shourie..watch it and then find your own interpretation.

    http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/walk-the-talk/walk-the-talk-with-arun-shourie/176376

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  • Anonymous

    I wish if BJP/RSS ever comes to power, they should eliminate vermins like Ravi and Enrich.

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    engrich Reply:

    why not u

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We are talking of eliminating Islamic terrorists like you and Ravi.

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    engrich Reply:

    i am sure u have some mental problem.

  • Anonymous

    It seems the notorious Gen Hamid Gul (the ‘original’ ISI man who started sending the jehadis from Afghan theatre to Kashmir in the late 70s early 80s) is organizing all the militant organizations, including LeT, into one militant political party, Defence of Pakistan Council, DFC.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now fake Ravi and jihadi pig, engrich, can expect important positions in the Hamid Gul interim government for Afghanistan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Actually Hamid Gul has endorsed extending Pasha for one more term as the ISI chief (the reason given is that Pasha is the only one who stands in the way of Civilians taking control!).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    We need a covert operator in Karachi to become a sniper who get Gul finally..

    Well Vinodji does go to Pakistan. Maybe all of us can request agent Vinod :)

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  • Anonymous

    On this blog, two abusers/label makers still hawk their wares. Speaks volumes about them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And Congress-Jihadis still harp on “Sonia is our Mata”…You support Islamic terror against India and call yourself Indians..Shame on you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I rest my case.

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  • Anonymous

    SRK on Twitter:

    My friend msged me..UP elections remind him of Dil to Paagal Hai. Rahul is after Maya…even the song haathi jaisi soondh…chak dhum dhum..

    (Missing mohanr) !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 one Ishwar !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By the way who is Karishma here….

    Uma Bharati?

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  • Anonymous

    —————————————————————————————————————————–
    ~~ MY GRANDAD WAS A MEMBER OF THE RSS~~ BUT~~~ i am not ~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    The sort of villification of the RSS done on this blog makes me laugh and laugh !! By all accounts, the RSS men should be mini Hitlers worshipping Kali all day while in real ones I saw in my house were human beings like you and me… a bit over patriotic and nationalistic…. yet always polite and helpful.

    Funnily and very funnily we DID NOT HAVE ANY HIGH CASTE ! :)

    My grandfather probably became a RSS member when he had to flee from Sialkot during partition and to save himself from Jinnah’s killer mobs, needed a support group which gave him protection as well as a group which talked about UNITED India in contrast to the politicians of the day who talked about partitioning the country. No wonder the concept fo Akhand Bharat became the central motif of the RSS.

    It was a Hindu organisation all right. But their belief stemmed from a realisation that Islam was out to convert this land into a Muslim nation. I have seen my grandad work at relief camps in flood and sit with his RSS friends talking at length on what an ideal India should be…

    BUT I DONT SHARE THE SAME VISION…

    Frankly I find any religion restrictive. And I know that we can only exist as a multi religious country. I like natch gaana, beer, science, reading and films and have friends spread across continents and blogs.

    But then I know for sure that the sort of villification done of the RSS is not only shallow, unfair, untruthful but is also a cover of the real intentions of many people who would be happy to support the jehadis, sleep with IM terrorists and applaud the divisive agenda of parties who seek to divide in the name of caste and minority politics which is in every way more dangerous and divisive.

    RSS may be old fashioned nationalists but many of their opponents are new fahsioned terrorists !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I’d rather be a RSS supporter than a Congressi any day.

    I have managed to convince everyone at my workplace (except my boss and one more loudmouth) that it is the Congress’ dynastic rule that the country needs to get rid of more than anything else.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ishwar

    Even if u r not a RSS supporter we all need to fight the whole psychology of bowing to fuedal dynasties. Further on, the sort of divisive religious and caste politics the Congrssis are playing would divide the country more and more…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You will be , your caste members are at the helm in RSS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks!!

    I hope u r enjoying the weather in … gora land (what’s the post code)? Even after a 7-1 over Blackburn, you still find out reasons to be bitter by 3 pm local time?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not bitter , actually I am enjoying one , that is Guinness. As for you despite being a RSS supporter , you did not find any indian football club to support but support a “prawn sandwich eating” 100%KOSHER GORA CLUB

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good for u. I somehow don’t have a taste for Guinness – or any other stout for that matter. It’s thick creamy head puts me off.

    By the way, if you can be a fan of an Irish beer – having been born and borought up in Bihar and Bengal (as you claim), you shouldn’t grudge me supporting Man Utd. being a RSS sympathiser.

    It’s a small world – more pleasant here than in your part though!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Go for Black & Tan…however it will still have a head

    Anonymous Reply:

    In fact, I don’t fancy beers in whatever variations they come – lager, ale or stout – they are all the same to me. I like my Absolut with Triple Sec or Cointreau topped with lemon/lime soda once in a while!!

    Ravi Reply:

    Pity

    Anonymous Reply:

    There USED TO BE some of the MOST SELFLESS, MOST UPRIGHT , MOST HUMANISTIC people in the CPM fold , may be Ashish’s dad was one of them , but the ideology of CPM is as BARMY as the VILE NATURE OF ITS LEADERSHIP. Same applies for RSS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The ideology of the RSS can be restrictive and not in tune with modern times… unless it changes its tune radically. I found it a bit boring at times. But the positves. Most of the old friends od my grandad who had managed to cross over to India alive were good in Yoga and in their own way very honest and nationalist, curtesy RSS

    Their big grouse against Gandhi was that he went on a fast to demand 55 crore rupees to be given to the new state of Pakistan, even when the new Paksitan had started attacking them (idnian HIndu Sikh refugees ) at a state level to drive them out, against the basis of the partition.

    But..

    I wanted to hang a bikini pin up of Zeenat or I think Sharon stone in my room… he wanted me put a sari clad photo of Deepika Chikhilia. :)

    But honestly it was all good fun. The RSS oldies who somtimes came to my house in the morning were all in their seventies and ALL of them were proud when I reminded them that we had Sikh President (Zail Singh) and Muslim Arif Mohammad Khan who had asked the repressive law to be changed

    What I am trying to say is that RSS is basically a a nationalist mindset. As long as mother India is being praised… their quest is satisfied.

    I would never become a member, but I can undestand why people do become

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    Nothing wrong in being a member of RSS. It is a legitimate organization, this is a democratic country.

    Justice KT Thomas (not related to me), a retired supreme court judge from Kerala, made this statement last year “I am a Christian, I was born a Christian and practises that religion. I am a church goingh Christian. I became an admirer of RSS when I was posted as the magistrate in Kozhikode in 1979. Simple living, higher knowledge, and integrity were their hallmark.

    ….. During emergency, RSS was the only non-political organization which fought against it. We owe to RSS for sacrificing lives to retain our fundamental rights…”

    Obviously Congress went crazy about this…….

    Google for more….

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    Ravi Reply:

    RSS – Non political…..say no more.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Islam – Non political..say no more..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Gopi

    That is what the RSS mostly about. It is definately not a fascist group. All these cliches about it, being handed around here are simply not true.

    Yes you can fault it for talking about self reliance and restricting imports when the world is going global. Well that is the ecnomic model debate. The Gurumurthy vs Jaswant singh tangle.

    For many of them, the spartan Anna Hazare lifestyle is an ideal.

    You can fault it even for not fully reconciling to Islam.

    But these are bridges which can be built. I think the sight of Muslims marching in the republic day parade probably makes many an RSS member question his belief

    Its all about mother India– Bharat Mata in their mindset. A resurgent India shining as in vedic times.

    But mind you it is all about saving India from destruction and division…

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    engrich Reply:

    ing emergency, RSS was the only non-political organization which fought against it. We owe to RSS for sacrificing lives to retain our fundamental rights…”
    where they die.they danga expert with help of police and administration otherwise they have no achievement.

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    pankaj#1 Reply:

    Well said Vijay.

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  • Anonymous

    Please do a comparative study of Islam and Fascism first before calling other’s fascist.

    As far as guilty by association is concerned, Congress-Jihadi gang rejects Sonia’s fascist association but when any fringe hindu org. such as Ram Sene does something stupid, the same people use ‘Guilty by association’ principle and hold BJP/RSS guilty.

    When Rahul defends Indian Mujahideen, these guys turn deaf and dumb but when Advani defends Pragya, this gang go hyper.

    The basic principle of Congressi-Jihadis is that Congress is always right and BJP/RSS is always wrong.

    As far as Shan is concerned (thali ka Baigan), the only aim to win the arguments evenif it contradicts his earlier posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    UTTER AND COMPLETE BOLLOCKS
    If Rahul gandhi defends IM , then he is a bigger ******* than I thought.
    Sonia Maino’s DAD was a fascist , EVERY ITALIAN OF HIS GENERATION WAS. He named his daughter SONIA , a RUSSIAN /slavic name , not an italian name , in memory of the war on the russian front where he took part.
    I HAVE SEEN NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST SHE HAS ANY LIKING FOR FASCIST IDEOLOGY, the fact that she turned down the offer to become PM speaks a lot more than BUDDDAH(old) ADVANI still CRAVING for PM post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Read the outlook link that I posted..Her father is still very PROUD of his fascist past. He still keeps pictures of Mussolini.

    If Sonia is not fascist, why is it so that there is no democracy in Congress.

    Have you ever heard of Congressmen or women who has defied or questioned Sonia and have gone unpunished?

    The last example was Margaret Alva.

    She has fascist streak in her. She never interacts with media, never gives interviews, never takes responsibility, remote controls Govt. and never tolerates dissent.

    If she is not fascist then who is?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Did Indira gandhi allow democracy in her party , DESPITE PROCLAIMING EMERGENCY , SHE WAS NO FASCIST
    Does Mamata allow democracy in her party , BUT SHE IS NOT FASCIST.
    Sonia was a WAITRESS , barely literate , I FULLY SYMPATHIZE WITH HER PREDICAMENT

    Anonymous Reply:

    Indira Gandhi was not fascist????..Who imposed Emergency? Who propped up Bhindrawale to counter Akalis? Who was responsible for Khalistani terror?

    Mamta is not powerful enough to be fascist whereas Sonia rules this country without any responsibility and imposes her will on govt. She is barely literate and this may be the reason behind her fascist streak..same was true for Indira Gandhi..

    You have weak memory and it looks like it is because of your political leaning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rather than beat around the bush , lets have it in words
    “It is very important to fascists that all schools in the country teach children that the state is the most important thing in the world. All adults are expected to either join the fascist party or support it as the government. ”
    UNCANNILY SIMILAR TO THE IDEOLOGY EMANATING FROM NAGPUR

    Ravi Reply:

    Precisely

    Anonymous Reply:

    Look u Engrich chela

    Go to Muridke and learn how to behave in a public forum from your evil guru Hafeez saeed

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Did Ravi Sir really behave badly here ?

    Ravi Reply:

    Prahlad Ji

    Many thanks for your support. Mucho appreciated.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who said RSS is not fascist? It is as fascist as Sonia.

    You are just trying to win the argument..Try analyzing the behavior of Sonia and how she treats dissent.

    You may win kudos from likes of Ravi but irony is that same kind of people support Islamic fascism.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay Sir,

    Something to celebrate about : Ministers watch P orn in assembly

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Karnataka/K-taka-ministers-caught-watching-porn-in-assembly/Article1-808155.aspx

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Brother… the new blog has been hosted. Lets battle pout there… :)

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