Afghan Divergence



Everyone in New Delhi knew that the first strategic dialogue between India and the US under Secretary of State John Kerry was going to be a testy affair. The abortive attempt to hold talks between the US and the Afghan Taliban in Doha, just days before Kerry’s arrival, only highlighted what everyone knew was a widening gap between India and the US on Afghanistan.

Indian senior officials have been signaling to the strategic community and the media for the past several months that New Delhi and Washington might soon “go their own ways” when it came to the Northwest Frontier and all that. This didn’t spell the end of the Indo-US relationship, but it would knock down one of the pillars.

The way to understand the difference is to look at how India and Pakistan differ on the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Pakistan, which means its military since its civilian government has no control over its Afghan policy, wants the US to leave in a manner that allows Islamabad to negotiate a settlement with the reigning Hamid Karzai government that makes the Afghan Taliban part of the Kabul power structure. They are helping arrange for talks between the Taliban and the US, hope that they will come to a power-sharing deal, and then watch Washington push this deal on Karzai.

The US is interested in such a deal because they fear that without it there will be chaos in Afghanistan and this would allow Al Qaeda to potentially make a comeback. Pakistan wants this because they feel, over time, any Karzai-Taliban duumvirate would be short-lived and eventually lead to a Taliban regime of some sort in Kabul.

India has long supported the US military presence in Afghanistan and is very unhappy that the US is withdrawing. Once it concluded that the Obama administration would not only cut and run, but that it would seek to cover its retreat with a settlement with the Taliban, New Delhi has switched to the view that it would be best that the US get out of Afghanistan as fast as possible.

The rationale for this new Indian stance is that a fast US withdrawal would ensure that a deal with the Taliban would not be possible, given a short timeframe. The result would be a continuation of the present civil war, but one which could potentially drag on for many years with neither Kabul nor the Taliban winning. With any luck, the lack of a Taliban settlement would force the US and other countries to join India in giving the Kabul regime a few billion dollars a year – enough to keep the Afghan National Army fighting and the Taliban at bay.

How would this help India? It would ensure Afghanistan does not become a terrorist haven as it was in the 1980s when the Taliban regime allowed Pakistani-backed militant groups to train, recruit, raise funds through drug sales and so on to keep the insurgency in Kashmir burning. It would also bog Pakistan down in a forever war in Afghanistan, forcing Islamabad to keep deploying tens of thousands of its troops on the Afghan border and ensure that the relative quiet that presently exists along the Line of Control continues for at least five or more years.

This would be expensive in terms of blood for the Afghans. The US would be nervous. But it would be a real mess for Pakistan. The starting point of all this: get the US troops out of Afghanistan and otherwise ensure that any talks with the Taliban fail.

William Darymple has written a paper for the Brookings Institute claiming that Afghanistan is now a proxy for Indo-Pakistan rivalry. This would be true if India actually had anything close to the ability to throw resources into Afghanistan the way Pakistan can. But New Delhi doesn’t.

Perhaps it would be better to say that the Afghans are waging a civil war in which one side is backed by Pakistan and the other side is backed by the West, with India trying to keep the West from giving up the fight.

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  • Anonymous

    Why apologise and to whom?

    The trustees don’t have a problem and as far as I know the host NGO’s don’t have a problem either. Whose money is involved here, Mr. Sharma?

    She tarvelled Economy and the NGO(s) paid her for a Business class – saved money for her NGO. Where is the problem?

    I don’t know about the college seat incidence, however; would congratulate you for bringing this out in public domain once again. Even if you worked a bit harder, you wouldn’t have found any such misdemeanor from any Congress/UPA leaders of the incumbent government who are absolute saints.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,

    You last paragraph says it all. Even if he finds any misdemeanor of
    UPA leaders, I am sure it will be ignored

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinod;
    partly agree and partly disagree with you. You are equating Kiran with Gandhiji, Vishveshvarayya or plenty others of 30s and 40s of last century. Those standards of fiscal honesty and even scale of corruptions are now only stories. Fiscal honesty and corruptions are on a different scale altogether. Having said this, I would still have felt better, if Kiran would not have resorted to this maneuver. But present attempt to highlight this, looks like comparing taking a wrong turn on road to mowing of sleeping persons on footpath, while doing drinking and driving, which is favorite soiree of our high and mighties. Kiran is one of the few of our best civil servants, I can recall in last 50 years or so. Those officers were of legendary reputation, be it from Administrative services, Police or Army or any walk of life.
    Yes, you are also not very harsh on her, but even this mild post appear to bring this infringement into limelight.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    just imagine, what would have happened to her if she had really pocketed the money!

    In one of the earlier posts, I had narrated my personal encounter with her almost on a daily basis for over three months and I would not be exaggerating it if I say she came across as an utterly dedicated, rare kind of police officer, who wanted to address people’s problems without regard for her own comforts and convenience.

    It is really sad that today, the entire media is putting a mighty, concerted effort to destroy her. It is sadder still that many of these worthies are doing it with great glee and satisfaction.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    I was in India, when Kiran was at the peak of her career. Not met her personally but knew enough high ups in police department personally and had my ear to the ground. Never heard anything bad about her, when she had power to do such corruption. At the end of her career, I can not think of her indulging in fiscal corruption, when in real sense, she has no power. that is why, Vinodji’s attempt to write on her is part of a game plan. As simple as that. What is happening in India now a days is corruption of African and Middle east proportions, which their rulers and dictators indulge in. Shame. Any protest against this is taken as betrayal of country??

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  • Anonymous

    Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

    you have, in the first part of your essay, been fair and honest in outlining the character of Kiran Bedi from your own association with her.

    But, it is the latter part that you have been too clever in destroying, with words which are silken but, at the same time cutting sharply, apparently honest but cunningly vicious in their hurtfulness.

    A minor misdemeanor cannot otherwise be so ferociously attacked if it was honest in its purpose. It is patently dishonest of you to “advise” her: “Kiran, you know I am your well wisher. For the last thirty years I have had nothing but your good at heart. So listen to me and apologise; even now it is not too late. You may also withdraw yourself from the high profile do-gooder civil society activist. I am advising you for your own good. See, the government of Sonia Gandhi is all powerful and it has already destroyed your and your team’s character; (if you don’t believe me, read my blog, where a chela of mine has clearly said governments should not be antagonised, you should co-perate with it and get your work done)”

    If Dr. Manmohan Singh, the epitome of honesty and personal integrity, can pretend that he is a bonafide resident of Guwahati (Assam) and become the prime minister of India, why cannot Kiran Bedi apply for her daughter’s admission from the north east quota for a medical seat?

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma to Kiran Bedi:

    ” Dear Kiran, I have got an affidavit about your character. It is on a CD. Believe me, it is a genuine CD, not like the one I had for Prashant.”

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  • Anonymous

    Can Vinod Sharma ask Rahul to apologize for LeT comments?
    Can he ask Digvijay to apologize for wild remarks against everyone?
    Can he ask MMS to apologize for ‘Muslim first’ comments?

    When is Mr.Sharma going to apologize for Bhushan CD?

    If it is matter of apology, I think UPA and especially the Congress needs to apologize every second for rest of their lives for what they have done to damage India with their divisive politics and scams in last 7 years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I owe above lines to Amitabh Bachpan…Pehle uska sign lao…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Why should these people you have mentioned appologize.? What they have
    said is 100% correct and they can prove this. I am sure they will provide the proof in next 50-60 years. Lets wait.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    What sort of argument is this?

    Unless, so and so apologizes first, there is no question of apology by Kiran Bedi or whoever. Are you putting Kiran Bedi in the same league/bracket as the people mentioned by you? Let us assume they are uncivilized, uncouth and are wrong in not apologizing – then she would be no different from them.

    This sort of logic has been used before too. Unless so and so is not brought to book, there is no question another so and so should be brought to book to deflect criticism and attention.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar,
    Totally in agreement with Vinod Sharma and you here.
    @Rajeev,
    Your words on Amitabh made me smile. But on a serious note, I don’t want these people to become another Congress, just like how BJP is turning out to be. So a wrong step, however small needs to be dealt with caution.
    (I had to add another n to my earlier id, as disqus did not let me register as Vinay).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One thing has always amused me about Amitabh Bachchan. During his heydays, he played a brave hero fighting against the rotten system but in real life I find that he is coward who goes on apologizing to thugs like Raj Thackrey and always is in the company of scamsters..first with Rajiv Bofors Gandhi and later Amar Dalal Singh and Mualyam Lootmar Singh and finally Narendra Butcher Modi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Can I ask what sort of argument is Congress making?

    Basically congress is saying that you stole peanut so you can’t question our billions of dollars of loot. Why is logic applied in a biased manner?

    If Congress or its agents want Bedi to apologize, they should start apologizing first and when they are done (which can take atleast 2 or 3 decades, Bedi will also apologize).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    You have got it wrong. Kiran Bedi should have apologized suo motto – never mind what anyone else says or does.

    Just for argument sake, we extend your logic.
    Kiran Bedi should not apologize, because the RSS/BJP (according to you a party full of idiots) did not apologize for demolition of Babri Masjid and for kandahar hijack – releasing terrorists, Modi did not apologize for 2002 and so on. We can go back to 1947 and make a comprehensive list of misdeeds of politicians/people, who have not apologized to justify Kiran Bedi’s refusal/reluctance to apologize. So she is no different from the politicians and wrong doers.

    Wrong is wrong – whether peanuts or billions and two wrongs do not make them right.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandon,
    Just for argument sake, we extend your logic.

    Kiran Bedi should not apologize, because the Congress (according to you a party full of Corrupts) did not apologize for demolition of Golden Temple and for 2008 Mumbai attack – Keeping Qasab in jail, Rajiv did not apologize for 1984 and so on. We can go back to 1947 and make a comprehensive list of misdeeds of politicians/people, who have not apologized to justify Kiran Bedi’s refusal/reluctance to apologize but she is still different from the politicians and wrong doers because she is ready to pay back whereas Rajiv Bofors Gandhi never offered this deal to the nation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your post only confirms the ludicrous argument you started with.

    You can list more instances where there has been no apologies in support. I will look forward to reading it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sorry, I can’t agree with you on this.

    You are being too technical forgetting that the real motive is to put Bedi on defensive and make Jan Lokpal debate a side issue.

    The congressmen have a very different wavelength when it comes to Corruption. They think whatever they do is correct and they prove it by discrediting other. I am using same kind of defensive technique.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not taking sides here.

    When Kejriwal & Co indulged in name calling – Bedi’s nauTanki was case in point – you had no problem and in fact welcomed it. When the other side hits back (rightly or wrongly) you have a problem.

    Double standards, anyone?

    If they are trying to put Bedi on the defensive and if they succeed, do not blame others?

    As I have said some blogs before (re:Karan Thapar and Modi) – a person of conviction will stand his/her ground no matter what the provocation is.

    I do not know whether you are aware of it or not – the Jan Lokpal draft bill excludes NGOs from the ambit of the Lokpal, but want practically everyone else to be included.
    Need one say anything more?

    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    the bid to include NGOs under the purview of Lokpal is a classic case of obfuscation.
    Lokpal is supposed to look at constitutional bodies and government agencies. Now, this chorus of adding corporates, NGOs etc within its purview is nothing but an attempt to ensure that the focus gets diluted by scope enlargement.
    Why not private individuals like you and me, then?

    Anonymous Reply:

    And who are the ace negotiators on the joint drafting panel from the government side?

    Kapil Zero loss Sibal and partner of Raja in the telecom scam, Chidambaram. Can you see the pattern that has emerged now? Can you also see the ease with which the entire media has returned to boot-licking?

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    the effects 60 years of patronage peddling will take as many years to go away.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why I have always maintained that the Jan Lokpal bill was a flawed one to begin with.

    I missed in stating that inclusion of NGOs under the Lokpal, which get Government funding.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    as you have seen this super debater debating,

    it is either “you don’t get it” or “your mind is incapable of absorbing his great debating points” and then “you have lost it”.

    AshishC Reply:

    Wrong is wrong.. I agree.
    But, there are degrees. A traffic violator does not hang; a murderer does, if convicted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    which is why Kiran Bedi has said, “hang some of us, if that is what you want”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I know there are degrees.

    What Bedi did was inappropriate. No one is demanding an apology (it is her call) and no one is going to hang her from the nearest tree. The problem is that she has become one of the faces of the fight against corruption and K & Co. has been all too righteous about moral and fiscal behaviour. All that has been suggested that an apology would have done world of good for her own image. Apology kills no one. One should learn the power and the benefits of an apology from the Japanese.

    I had asked a question to Vinoo. Why the money is being returned by the travel agent? As it turns out, he also happens to be a trustee of the NGO – there must nothing to it – but people (detractors) are bound raise questions. I have got no answer as yet.

    AshishC Reply:

    I care a tinker’s cuss whether Kiran Bedi apologises or not and thereby redeems her image or not… my post was not about that. I could not care less if she is prosecuted and goes to jail.
    The problem is that she has become…
    The fight remains. And I don’t see the problem- only committed Congress apparatchiks do.
    And, why Japanese? I thought we have Manish Tiwari closer home to teach us about the virtues of an apology?

    AshishC Reply:

    Rajeev/ Shenoy/ Manohar (and Vijay, even though not on this thread)
    1. What Kiran did, was wrong.
    2. However, there are degrees of wrong committed. She has merely revealed her feet of clay (her daughter’s admission case, quoted by Vinod was probably one such case too, though she probably exploited a loophole in the rules rather than create one). Her wrong, that of a private individual can only bring her down in public esteem; but it has no bearing on the issue of government/ systemic corruption on which the focus should be and the Congress’ dirty trick’s department is trying its utmost to remove the focus from.
    The strategy of Congress is to divide Anna and his “team” and they have “Swami” Agnivesh, Diggy etc working full time on it. Simple strategy- descredit the team-members, get them to voice their opinion on issues which are not even periphreal to the corruption debate and “expose” that, e.g. Bhushan is politically to the left while Kejriwal and Anna would be closer to the right- for instance on the issue of Kashmir.
    So, the equivalence pitch-
    - we stole CWG money (few thousands of crores); but see, you fudged vouchers!
    - We built a multi-storied building on defence land on the coast and gave the flats away to our near and dear ones- but see, you got your daughter’s admission on dubious grounds!
    (I can argue that Manmohan was inspired by Kiran bedi to claim residency of Assam, but that will be really mean, and even Vijay will come after me with a knife, lol)
    3. Most important: personalities espousing a cause have faults- if during the freedom struggle, we chose to focus on Gandhi’s sex life, or the fact that Subhash Bose has a mistress or that Nehru was, ahem, having a platonic relationship with Edwina Mountbatten.. would we have not got derailed.
    The issue/ cause is ALWAYS bigger than the personalities- be it Bedi, Kejriwal, Anna or Gandhi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I think I have already answered/responded to the above in another response here.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @AshishC
    My criticism is constructive. It is neither aimed at denigrating Kiran or condoning big time graft. So those interpreting it as a defence of the Congress are way off the mark — of course with a design.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    as usual, you are right and forthright too. The central issue of the blog has been pitting minor misdemeanor against political and financial corruption.

    If Kiran got NE quota seat for her daughter, why did the morally incorruptible MMS seek a RS seat from Assam where he doesn’t belong?

    And MMS is forbidden by the company law from seeking inspiration from any source other than the dynasty.

    It is not that the accusers of Kiran Bedi didn’t know about Anna’s “misappropriation” of Rs.2lac grant given by the Maharashtra government, which he was said to have spent on his own birth day. Remember Manish Tiwari, Vinodji’s approved co-panelist on TV debates?

    If Tiwari was right, why did he apologise to Anna?

    The thing is that all out efforts are being made, now with the active participation of the entire media, to destroy Team Anna and then say, naa rahega baans, naa bajegi baansuri!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    The basic issue is misuse of government and public money. The Congress has a tradition of looting to finace its members. Kiran was going to meetings as an invitee, not selling the country as Congressis often do as in Bofors to 2 g

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Is this an attempt to divert attention away from the points/questions raised by me? When faced with inconvenient questions and issues – bring the misdeeds of others to obfuscate.

    Try it with someone else.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @vijay_kumar
    I don’t consider Kiran to be corrupt. But answer this: the rebate gallantry award winners get for air-tickets is revenue a grateful nation does not deliberately earn to honour them. Now is it proper if that difference is earned by an ngo for whatever reasons. Is it not tax-payers money being siphoned to an entity that isn’t entitled to earn it. That’s where the rub lies and that’s where Kiran should have said sorry.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    NREGA payments to rural unemployed too is a way of the nation showing “we care for you”, but the record is abysmal; most of the payments or significant portions of the payments go to the village netas, officials and bank staff. There is only now some stirring in government circles to wake up to the enormous fraud.

    The question is :IS anybody showing any kind of action to stop the leak? No. we are still tom-tomming that NREGA is Sonia Gandhi’s gift to the nation.

    Why then such huge outcry against some minor misdemeanor by an individual, which doesn’t even rank as corruption?

    Why are all the media leaders crying foul, when the Radia tapes are still fresh in the minds of the people?

    Why this holier-than-thou shooting from the hip?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    You dont consider Kiran to be corrupt. You also concede that she used the money to finance visits to poorer NGO’s.

    So why tar her with the same brush of corruption like Rajiv Gandhi, Amar Singh, Raja…

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have not answered Vinod’s question of tax payers’ money being siphoned to her NGO.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The whole thing is being twisted to a mega amplifier. The money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor.

    Why is tax payers money used for z category security for the Yuvraj???

    Even when he goes motor cycle racing on a private track created on famers land by Vadra and the DLF scions…

    That is misuse of tax payers money. Am waiting for your answer Manohar….

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Manohar ji,
    The comments on this blog reveal more than the blog itself. The hypocritical argument of putting forth Congress, Rahul, Sonia to defend the misdeeds of a co-clown from the team…..the very basis of why I called the Ramlila drama a circus. I am amazed at the vacuum in thought when it comes to corruption. If Kiran Bedi is caught its OK (files closed!archived!!!) because the Congress (Read Rahul, Sonia, etc, etc) have been doing it since ages! Amazing! I can see that people have even redefined corruption in the Kiran Bedi context……how convenient! They fail to realise that a corrupt practice is unpardonable if it is done by Congress/Rahul/Sonia as much as it will be unpardonable if done by BJP/Kiran Bedi/Anna (hope I got the brackets right!!).
    Having said this, I have no doubt in my mind that the loss of perception of social evils like corruption are the handiwork of people who typify politics on one hand and bureaucracy on the other. In fact when we are brought up in India, we learn the art of corruption without realizing that we actually practice it! How amazing! An interesting analogy in the case would be the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. He was impeached not because he had s*x with Monica Lewinsky, but because he lied to the Congress. Consider this in Indian context. Lying is definitely not as big a crime as having illicit s*x with a female intern! I am sure we know of so many politicians who have been framed in India for the latte but hardly anyone for the former. The dichotomy of thought in tackling with something as basic as corruption is what defines us…..”tackling corruption -the Indian shtyle!”. I might not be wrong if I conclude that we deserve even more corrupt governments than we had….we are honestly very dishonest people!!
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Dr. Khan;
    I hope you are O.K. with this address. Reading you after some time. Could not understand the thrust of your argument here. No body is defending Kiran Bedi’s action. What everybody is asking for is fairness. At one end, headlines, columns and blogs are being written for a clever practice done by Kiran( ofcourse, she is expected to be not indulging in this) and on the other hand, Gigantic proportion of open loot is being underplayed, again through the use of clever words. That is the gist of all these arguments, as I understood this.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The problem is that Mr.Shah Alam DNA makes him puke nonsense all the time.

    For once, he should just consider himself Indian not Indian muslim.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @RajeevS
    Dr Khan is an Indian who happens to be a Muslim. You are a Hindu who happens to be an Indian. The syntax is meant to make you understand that your approach is defined by what you front-load and back-load in terms your religion and nationality.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vinod ji,
    Haven’t been in touch with you since long. Great to hear from you! Loved your “front load” “back load” comments. The problem (?not really) is that Muslims don’t consider me Muslim enough and for Hindus I am a Muslim. So the safest bet in this catch 22 situation is to consider yourself an Indian…….so I am more Indian by choice than by Chance…..and definitely more Indian than some of the others who have already given up their Indian identity for a cosy nest in the UK and USA…..not that they aren’t Indian but surely I have an edge….at least so I think ;-)
    By the way, please let me know what does the gentleman above mean by “Mr. Shah Alam DNA”…..really cannot decipher whats DNA?
    Truly
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    You wrote
    “No body is defending Kiran Bedi’s action”

    You are wrong.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Really speaking, I do not read all posts. exceptions are few and farbetween and you are one of them. It is my pleasure and instruction too. Please let me know, who is defending Kiran’s action and I would like to read him. I am constantly saying that what Kiran did was not correct. The hullabaloo being created on this affair is not justified. This is all I am saying

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    They are indeed defending her, if not directly, then implicitly by saying so and so (we know who is the target) also did wrong and not apologize, etc. One needs to read between the lines too.

    That is a matter of perception whether it is a hullabaloo or not, depending upon which side one belongs to. All it has been suggested that she erred and should have made amends say by apologizing, which IMO would have only added to her stature. The near hysterical reaction to defend her on this blog is totally uncalled for, but not surprising since one more of their “heroes/heroines” too has been found with feet of clay.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Thanks for the comments. Yup, you are fine with the address, but I prefer Shah more than the doctor bit!! Well, I clearly understand that everybody “wants” to look like asking for fairness but honestly are they asking for fairness on all grounds and from all people? Or are they looking for fairness when the rules are applied to them? Read the posts again and see if they are not defending Ms. Bedi……..even a blind man can see the kind of support she musters amongst some from this blog! Very honestly I can understand all the fairness in demand from this group…..but that doesn’t give them the right to overlook corruption in a manner which suites them. Probably I have used this analogy on this blog before- corruption is like pregnancy, either you are or you are not (incl supporters)….there is nothing like “less pregnant”.
    For me individuals are unimportant and we shouldn’t fall into a practice of idol worship (particularly in a nation where we are in short supply of “idols”). What is vital is to stick to issues which affect the poor, the marginalized and the underprivileged. I cannot forgive the UPA for its unrelenting anti-poor economic policies but unfortunately even the “righteous” BJP doesn’t raise this issue in an effective manner.
    I hope you see some light in my argument now.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    PS: I look forward meeting you at the Institute whenever you are there.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr, Khan

    Many of the bloggers (and we know who) have very simple rules to deal with inconvenient questions and issues.

    1) My enemy’s enemy is my friend and has to be defended at all costs. Similarly my enemy’s friend (considered to be biggest crime on the planet) is my enemy and is to be rubbished with all the force and sent to the cleaners.

    2) To defend the indefensible, they point out misdeeds of others, as they are doing it here. The classic case going on for ages is Modi – to “justify” 2002, they always cite 1984. It never occurs to them that both were wrong and two wrongs do not make them right. It also never occurs to them that by linking 1984 with 2002 confirms the fact 2002 was wrong too, Logic is never their strong point.

    3) Obfuscate the issue – post irrelevant questions and links.

    4) Attempt to cover up a misdeed (of their own side) by highlighting the “good work” done by them. Again Modi is the prime example, because of his supposedly great work(!) as development genius and clean & efficient administrator, they want to whitewash 2002.

    They will condemn (as I do too) Rajiv Gandhi for not doing enough to prevent 1984, but ask them to condemn Modi for failure to prevent 2002, there is a thundering silence.

    5) Try and shoot the messenger is another tactic – question his/her motives, character assassinate him/her, use abusive language, etc.

    You are right about dishonesty, but to these bloggers the only dishonest people are their objects of hate – their own heroes and thier side are supposed to be squeaky clean and cannot do any wrong. Talk about double standards and doublespeak.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Khan

    I think you have pitched your tent with a tean who would never NEVER want corruption to go from India…

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @vijay_kumar
    If you set high standards for others, you better start the charity from home. May I ask where you tent is pitched vis-a-vis this adage.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Sharma and Dr Khan

    A good balm for corrupt officers in th government and corrupt businessmen would be by saying… “You guys can keep theiving… we have announced that one day God will re-appear on earth… only then you should leave corruption…. till then we will destroy anyone who tries to tackle corruption… “

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vijay ji,
    A bit disappointed at this remark from your end…because I thought I explained my reasons of why I do not support Team Clowns and why this should not go down as a message that I am corrupt or a Congressi.
    Anyway, now that you have concluded, I am very happy to be on this side of the divide……My friend try to cross this line once and you will feel free, democratic, honest and refreshed.
    May be I can explain myself better with these couplets:
    Meri zubaan se meri daastan suno to sahi, yaqin karo na karo meherban, suno to sahi
    Chalo ye maan liya mujri-e-mohabat hain, humarey jurm ka humse bayan suno to sahi
    Banogey dost merey tum bhi dushmanon ek din, meri hayaat ki aah-ho-fuga suno to sahi
    Labon ko see k jo bethey hain bazm-e-duniya mein, kabhi to uun ki bhi khamoshiyan suno to sahi

    Have a good day….and may you wake up with a dream in your eyes.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Shah Alam

    I am sorry if I disappointed you. But I am sick and tired of the corruption in this country and know that any genuine effort to cure the ill will always be torpedoed by vested interests.

    A right vs left, a Congress vs BJP, a China vs US, a MNC vs desi– all those debates would be created.

    Meanwhile I see my employees– especially poorer one– being harassed for money, by the ration card office, by the police, by the elctircity department etc etc.

    While we the educated wouold always end up debating and torpedoing…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    “My friend try to cross this line once and you will feel free, democratic, honest and refreshed.”

    It is an invitation to join the ranks of honest, free and democratic people, which include Amar Singh, Digvinash Singh, Vinod Sharma (the fake CD episode was all the work of Anna’s gang of clowns you know!), the Amul Baby, Kapil Siibal of the zero loss fame, Barkha Dutt, Nira Radia etc.

    Vijay Kumar, my friend, don’t accept the invitation, however tempting it may look.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vijay ji,
    Who is not sick of corruption in this country. Unfortunately we are sick of corruption which is inconvenient to us…it doesn’t matter when moral corruption plagues the wretched of the land. For me Cong is as bad as the BJP, left as wrong as the right. What I can’t figure is how can you fight corruption the Ana shtyle when we know that there is more than eye can see. In fact the two of us are arguing since weeks now but neither is convinced of the other’s preposition. Imagine this when we are on same page in tackling corruption! The dichotomy in the Indian society is too deep for an Anna to unite on a platform which itself is so shaky. Let me make it very clear that I went to Jantar Mantar in April to see for the agitation myself, with an open mind and hope…but alas the disappointment was killing!…….Finally look at the remarks below (by the same gentleman who calls me communal and corrupt), he concludes that I team up with crooks like Amar Singh…the la George W Bush, either you are with us or you are against! If this is democratic way of protest, I would rather be on the other side of the divide…..even with an eminent danger of being labelled a corrupt traitor.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who paid for Sonia’s very expensive treatment in USA ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv,

    secret illnesses get treated with secret funds.

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    AshishC Reply:

    her well wishers :) (oh, how I miss the smiley faces!)

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    Well written and a balanced article.

    If she says the excess money went to her NGO, I believe her. Having said that, she should have not resorted to roundabout way of getting funds. Perhaps, she was not advised correctly by her accountants or by others. She should have made direct payments to her NGO as part of fee structure she charged for services/lectures, then whether she travelled economy class or even 2nd class by train, it wouldn’t have mattered.

    Frankly, one does not know what to make of her decision to return the excess fare amount to the sponsors/organizers of the events/meets, she attended. Is it admission of inappropriate means to get funds for her NGO or is it something else?

    This revelation has dealt a blow to her image. An apology would have certainly helped her to regain any lost ground.

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  • Anonymous

    @Plonker Ishwar, The point vinod Sharma is trying to make is that PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNOT THROW STONES AT OTHERS.the mijoram saga is a fact.Jyoti Basu’s son who later married his own daughter’s girlfriend, got admitted to srinagar medical college through Sheikh Abdullah’s CM quota. That imbecile didn’t last more than a year.
    The point is CORRUPTION IS INEVITABLE IN A POOR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY , even USA has recurring problem of corruption.Bernie Maddox, milkin and junk bond , World com , ENRON etc.
    But Bramhinicalscums are not interested in the NDTV programme HUNGRY KYA , for their interest lies some where else. THEY HATE GIVING BRIBE , BUT HAPPY TO DODGE TAXES, be it while purchasing house (lower value on paper , so less tax paid to govt).
    This IDIOTIC MOVEMENT IS DIVERTING ATTENTION FROM realissues, that is HUNGER MALNUTRITION / NEED FOR QUANTUM LEAP IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION, 100%COMPULSORY EDUCATION ENFORCED BY LAW.

    Govt can create CENTRE FOR MONITORING CORRUPTION , to flag up the cases, just like we have CENTRE FOR MONITORING INDIAN ECONOMY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @arsewipeShan,

    What glasshouse are you talking about? Whose money is it that is being talked about? Is it your money or Mr. Sharma’s?

    Am I to assume that if no one had raised a fight against corruption, all the nation’s problems would have been solved by the great economist trio at the helm?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @(R)ish(wat)ar,
    So if you remove all corruption FOOD WILL DROP FROM SKY WILL IT, only a plonker can be so deluded

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was rightly advised here.

    Never argue with a fool…people may not know the difference.

    I give up on you as most others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Never argue LIKE A FOOL, for you will be stripped bare and paraded

    engrich Reply:

    shan great i fully agree with u.they dont want to give bribe but cheat everybody& everywhere.these rss brhmnst are waisting our time and wealth both.
    kiran bedi is honest innocent woman.dont understand these wickeds.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I always wondered why there is not a single Bengali activist working in Anna’s core team or extended team…

    When you put a problem to be solved, most of the people come up with ideas to solve it but bengalis immediately start giving out reasons why this problem can not be solved..

    This negative mentality has kept Bengal in dark ages for centuries now..time to wake up.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You dont need to wonder any more. kejriwal awarded Indian of the year by NDTV , which is prannoy roy’s business who is a bengalee..
    karuna roy of right to information act is a bengalee, she has also spearheaded NREGA, rural employment guarantee scheme. there is another guy ?dasgupta with RTI movement.And then there is binayak sen. So dont talk c r a p.As for the current naxalite movement reflect on what Gokhale said “what bengal thought in 1965 , rest of india is thinking now”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prannoy Roy is Congressi stooge but being in media he had no choice but to touch feet of Haryanavi Kejriwal.

    Aruna Roy is in a chamcha club called NAC which came out with hand out scheme called MNREGA. This scheme is basically a bribe to vote for Congress. Under this schemes no assets have been created,..

    So much for Bengalism.

    Binayak Sen is back to Maoists plotting next terrorist attack.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaaqn Nirad Babu,

    now please also tell us about the multi-billion rupee fraud called NREGA spearheaded by Karuna Roy.

  • Anonymous

    Its not your fault; ‘ Vinod’ literally means JOKE ! Happy Diwali for giving the ruling party a little comfort.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well he does provide weekly entertainment here as the court jester.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Sharma, is just part of the Congress game plan to dig/manufacture dirt on all members of the Anna Team. Plain and simple.
    In case of Kiran Bedi, the funds went for charitable purposes and not in her swiss bank account.
    Does Mr Sharma, as a journalist, have even 1/1000 th of the same sensitivity and standards to judge other public figures like Rahul Gandhi ?
    No, he is busy maligning Kiran Bedi , gleefully couched in his fabricated and utterly and wilfully dishonest concern for 100% probity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The campaign against laws to check corruption, as led by Anna, is not directed against individuals. This is about laws and enforcement mechanism that would apply to everyone , of all political parties, in an effort to curb corruption and make government more accountable.

    No individual Congress leader has been targetted in this agiation. Its not about individuals. Period.

    However In retaliation, Congress and its Congres paid media ( by now readers of this blog should have first hand knowledge of it ) has embarked on a campaign directed against individuals who are leading the agiation.

    Its shameful and indefensible.

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  • Anonymous

    Flavour of South is mising from this blog. Where are Gopi, Shoeb and Raju ?
    And havent heard from Binoy also since quite some time. I hope everything is
    ok with you guys .

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  • Anonymous

    This is what Anna says.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278752

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great read…Minces no words. He should have named gang of four and some of their agents..

    Now question is, is digvijay part of gang of four or is dalal of four?

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  • Anonymous

    How many journalists have apologized for playing Dalal-Dalal as revealed by Radia tapes?

    Mr.Sharma is yet to apologize for defending congress on all corruptions and finally coming out with CD co-sponsored by Digvijay and Amar.

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  • Dr Mishra

    BRUTAL HUMOUR ON BLOG- haha”””””””””

    Rajeev- I owe above lines to Amitabh Bachpan…Pehle uska sign lao…

    SHENOY- Vinod Sharma to Kiran Bedi: ” Dear Kiran, I have got an affidavit about your character. It is on a CD. Believe me, it is a genuine CD, not like the one I had for Prashant.”

    Sorry Vinod ji, please do not mind. Like I said once before, Genghis Khan’s grandfather Kabul Khan had playfully tweaked the Chinese emperor Holoma’s beard at a dinner. I have noticed that both Shenoy and Vinod tweak each other from time to time.

    PS- in real life, Holoma had been outraged but as per courtesy, waited till Kabul had crossed the border before he attacked. There followed generations of war and a few crores dead.

    One hopes Vinod and Shenoy are of gentler dispositions

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    your post brought a big smile on my face. The story about the beard-tweaking Kabul Khan and the Chinese emperor is perennial.

    As for me, I am totally non-violent. Even when Vinodji called my Muslim workers bonded labour, I didn’t retaliate.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    Basically you want Kiran to admit to a non existent crime. And then say she is as bad as your pal who gave you the seedy CD– the mahapurush and Mahadalla, Amar Singh Dahla???

    Cmon… sthere is no crime in her actions. It was just a way to collect money for an NGO.

    Was she dispersing favours a la Raja and Kanimozhi…
    Was she writing tained journalism like Barkha rani and Vir Snaghvi?

    Was she selling the country to dalals like Quotrochhi like Yuvraj’s father did?

    NO ! NO !!! NO !!!

    So the base of your article is mischievous and plays the COngress game of trying to make everyone look corrupt.

    Sajan re jhoot na bolo
    Khuda ke pass jaana hai
    Na haathi hai na ghode hai..
    Bas paidal hi jaana hai…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think it will be very difficult to reduce an remove corruption from India.

    I am very very disappointed with Vinod sharma. While he has full rights to be a Congress supporter, he should at least help us get tid of corruption. He owes it to this country. By first targetting Anna in his las blog and now Kiran Bedi, he does not seem to be a jpurnalist who would want an efficient adn fair and a corruption free India.

    Kiran was an upright police officcer who displayed guts. While Amar SIngh and Digvijay represen the worst of Indian politcs.

    Amar is a Haji Mastn. Digvijay who respects Osamaji and LeT is a moral coward. Maybe Vinod Sharma is tilting in their favour…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Everyone

    As a Chartered accountant I was called many a time by my clients to plaeces around India. I would always ask for the tope end fare plus a hotel fare and tell them that this is part of my fees. So even if come by a bullock cart… You should not lose sleep

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Precisely. This is what Kiran Bedi should have done – excerpt from my earlier post
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    She should have made direct payments to her NGO as part of fee structure she charged for services/lectures, then whether she travelled economy class or even 2nd class by train, it wouldn’t have mattered.
    ========

    Why the roundabout way to add to the NGO’s coffers?
    She has she asked her travel agent(s) to return the difference in fares. Why them and why not her NGO itself, as the difference is supposed to have gone to the NGO’s account?

    As a Chartered Accountant, will you care to enlighten me on the above two questions?

    This you need not answer – it just loud thinking and only Kiran Bedi can answer. One wonders as to how far back in time will she go to refund the amounts involved?

    AshishC Reply:

    While I will be the first to decry the methods used by Kiran Bedi in adding to the coffers of the NGO she runs, I will maintain that it has nothing to do with the cause.
    The issue is not whether Kiran Bedi did wrong or not (IMO, she did), but the issue is corruption in government and it does not matter to me if some of the leading lights of the movement have feet of clay.
    Focusing on Bedi’s fudge is classic diversionary tactics- we can expect no better from Congress.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Granted the dirty-works-department of the Congress is at work. Also, agree that the shenanigans in Bedi’s NGO has nothing to with the cause.

    If one has feet of clay or not (it is not important), one should not go around preaching and accusing others of misdeeds (there are no pure and white cows around), just fight for the cause. That is where Kejriwal & Co. erred(*) or should I say made an Himalayan blunder- in attempting to have their way and score brownie points – they started targeting individuals, questioning their motives and commitment, character assassinate them (not surprising the same keeps happening here on this blog day in and day out) – Bedi’s nauTanki is an example. As I keep saying concentrate on issues and do not shoot the messenger. As it happens, the other side is not going to take things lying down – they will retaliate, that is human nature.

    * No wonder, the movement seems to be tottering with fisticuffs among the protagonists (ex and present) of this movement, with accusations and counter accusations flying around thick and fast. More dirt will be dug out as we go along. They may end up with near zero credibility, then what? Next time they take up another cause – people will say – oh no, not these people again.

    Recall, during the independence movement, no individuals were targeted by Gandhiji and others – like so and so officer/functionary (including Indians who were part of the system) is this and that, he should go or he should do this and that or else – the focus was to get them to leave. The result we got our independence with much goodwill and friendship between us and the British as a bonus. Kejriwal & Co, have lot to learn in sustaining movements.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think all … almost all Indians fudge a bit in their office expense statements. Or use saving tax.

    Kiran is not an employee. In case she is bold enough she can clearly say that she always told her clients that her fee would be first class fare– as it is with many MNC companies– and she could choose her means of transport– then she would have been saved the embarresment.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    some “debaters” here have ***** sense of history. The great debater says that during the freedom movement no individual was targeted by Gandhiji. Will you kindly recall, for the benefit of this man with histrionics the treatment meted out to Subhash Chandra Bose, who was personally hounded out of the presidentship of the congress by the Bapu?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinoo

    I always thought CA’s were guys who coul make 2+2= 5 if they liked you… and could make 2+2=1, if they did’nt.

    I think something of that sort has happened to Kiran. The government has set the CBI onto her. But don’t write her of.

    The goodwill she has gathered over 3 decades thru genuine work could well work out to be more than that of Amul baby, Mummy and Digviansh combined…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    My CA can make 2+2= 22 when it comes to his fee !

    Yes, I think Kiran can be held guilty for a procedural lapse.

    However if she can show that the money she recieved was used for the needy by her NGO… her accusers should apologise.

  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma demanding apology from Kiran Bedi is like Hitler asking Mahatma Gandhi to apologize for Chowri Chowra violence.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If commissioned by Congress , Mr Sharma can argue that Mr MohanDas Karamchand Gandhi was a Hindu fundamentalist , lustful fool who took money from Birlas.

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    engrich Reply:

    to some extent it is right.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @This Rajiv with three iii is really an i-sore. :) )

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    engrich Reply:

    ghandhi always called hitler as his friend.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hitler always called Mohammad his IDOL…WHat do you say about that?

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    engrich Reply:

    this is not true.give reference.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Hitler killed millions..who before hitler did same thing? Mohammad…

    engrich Reply:

    bullshit and wrong.dont argue any more.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wahabist have their own version of history. They are ruling minds of dalit muslims like you.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @RajeevS
    Did I demand an apology from her? Sorry, no. I now have serious doubts about your abillity to comprehend plain english.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No Sir, you haven’t demanded an apology from Kiran Bedi, but the import of your article is:Better apologise, or else……..

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  • Anonymous

    From the comments on this blog it looks as if ..
    Every Monday, Mr Sharma comes to this blog in a new Sari claiming virtues and chastity and its then followed by Draupodi’s ( I mean Vinod Ji’s ) vastra-haran.

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  • engrich

    what india want is ghaddafi,not anna,some unknown facts about him,

    1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
    2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
    3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
    4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family

    5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
    6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.

    7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
    8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
    9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
    10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $750 billion – now frozen globally

    Great Man-Made River project in Libya… $27 billion
    11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
    12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
    13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
    14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
    15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
    16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
    Which other leader has done much good to his people besides

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why didn’t you move to Libya when Gaddafi was alive?

    According to you, people thrashed Gaddafi and finally killed them because he did not allow them to pay utility bills.

    No wonder Ravi calls you genius.

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    engrich Reply:

    our mahatama was killed by a chitpavan like street dog.they also distributed sweets all over india for this great act of bravery.this practice is continued even now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your Mahatma..Do you mean Mohammad? He was killed by a women of his own tribe..Brahmins have nothing to do with that.

    engrich Reply:

    we dont call our prophet as mahatama.he was not killed by women of his tribe.correct ur information.

    Anonymous Reply:

    For outsiders like us Mohammad is your Mahatma who was killed by a women who was harrassed by him earlier.

    engrich Reply:

    mahatama means mahatama ghandhi

  • Anonymous

    There was a case against Digvijay regarding his involvement in Shopping Mall scam. Has he apologized for the loot?

    He said now that RSS is defending Bedi, Anna is proxy of RSS…By same logic, Digvijay defended Azamgarh terrorists, Maoists and the Kasab & Co., does that mean Digvijay is proxy of terrorists?

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  • Anonymous

    Let us play inference-inference Congress and its media style-
    1. Digvijay’s father was Hindu Mahasabha member.
    2. Digvijay’s brother Laxman Singh was BJP member till last year.

    So can we infer that Digvijay has ties to Sangh Parivar.

    This game seems to be very logical and interesting.

    Vinod Sharma accepts everything coming from Digvijay Singh even the CD. As Digvijay is connected to RSS, Vinod Sharma too is Sanghi that makes HT Sanghi.

    Digvijay Considers Rahul and Sonia his leaders and as Diggi is Sanghi so are Rahul and Sonia Sanghi which in turns makes Congress Sanghi.

    Congress had relations with Saddam..so Saddam is Sanghi..

    Wow!!! I have a totally different worldview now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Saudis ( Sunnis ) were close to sunni Sadaam. The Saudis are Sanghis too.

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  • Dr Mishra

    SORRY, BEDI AFFAIR IS MINISCULE”””””””””””’

    so I apologise at this digression, but on Zia’s blog on Modi and ‘the cap’, I posted the following comment-
    ‘ Jaffer, nice sentiment by a muslim- If Zakir Naik says do not accept prasad, then Modi has every right to refuse the skull cap. But I think, Jaffer, that we need to ascribe to a higher plane than that- one of harmony, love and co-existence.
    Z Naik is a bit of an idiot, what with his disgusting views on apostacy etc. But I expect higher standards from my leaders. Double digit growth is one thing but building bridges is a long term investment worth quadruple digits. I, an Indian, a hindu, am deeply disappointed that Modi did not wear the cap.

    If Gujrati muslims had taken such a big step and come forward in such large numbers on the fast, then he should have reciprocated. The souls of 59 passengers and Ehsaan Jaffrey would have rested in peace. ‘

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  • Anil

    Bedi was not personally benefited. So what is the crime anyway – at best it can be a mistake.
    Compare this with robbery in braod day light, in Indian parliament (cash for vote) of Congress men and women.

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  • Anonymous

    @Dr Mishra,
    Modi and his spokeman have clearly clarified , including producing the person before the press who as per congress had allegedly offered the cap, that no cap was offered to Modi so the question of decling a cap, does not arise.

    This is just more congress-media manufactured trivial bakwaas.

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  • Anonymous

    @engrich, Gaddafi did lot of good , but at the end he was a DICTATOR and MAD.
    health service is not good , i know a lady from calcutta who went to Libya as a NGO ,died of minor illness due to lack of treatment. In fact shown in TV here in UK ,the people of libya complaining that Gaddafi family if they need treatment they go to abroad(a bit like India) , but for local people the treatment is threadbare.
    BOTTOM LINE IS HE COULD NOT MODERNISE THE MIND, stuck in the rut called Islam. Same happening in Tunisia , the party most likely to win is going to implement SHARIA. No wonder ARABS GET KICKED AROUND LIKE STRAY DOGS BY THE WESTERN POWER.
    At the end of the day KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND KNOWLEDGE IS RATIONAL AND SECULAR AND NOT SUBSERVIENT TO KORAN OR HADITH OR GITA OR BIBLE.
    WHICH MEANS TOTAL FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
    Therefore Autocracy will be replaced by Theocracy, like IRAN

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rightly spoken.

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    CREDIBILITY OF HINDUSTAN TIMES OR CONGRESS TIMES IS ALL TIME LOW.
    VINOD SHARMA HAD NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE WRITTEN INDEPENDENT
    VIEWS.
    I WONDER ABOUT FATE OF NATION WITH SUCH PAPERS OR JOURNALISTS.
    VINOD JI DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO PEEP INTO PAST OF ONE CONGRESS TOP POLITICIAN FOR CHANGE.HAVE YOUR OWN CHOOSING.
    PL WRITE SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE EVERYONE PROUD OF YOU.
    LEARN TO SWIM AGAINST CURRENT.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.

    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    Citing the Tamil Nadu connection of all those who are facing the music from CBI, Swamy hinted at Sonia, too, getting into trouble. “It is better the jail authorities in Tihar be ready to make pizzas and spaghetti,” he said taking a dig at her Italian origin.

    The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
    “It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
    “It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

    One of the companies had links with global terrorist Dawood Ibrahim who is hiding in Pakistan and another company had close association with the Chinese army.

    “The allotment has put India’s security at great risk as in the event of a war, Indian military communications could be jammed,” he said.

    The hawala racket is being used to route the bribe to foreign bank accounts and most of the hawala agents have Pakistani connection. The huge money is then being brought back for investing in the country’s stock market. Swamy cited the frequent upheavals in stock market to this hawala influence.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • Anonymous

    I wish we Indians too are as creative and bold as these pakistanis.

    Satire at its best ‘Mei maa ne banay aloo anday’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEpnwCPgH7g&feature=player_embedded#!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Venkatarama-Muthuswami/1223048715 Venkatarama Muthuswami

    Having seen Kiran’s life works in the Bharat sarkar service and outside, incl. a short assignment with UN, I wish such a slip or oversight could have been easily avoided. Knowing human frailities, many of the world class orgns incl INGOs have developed systems (transparent & fair) to handle such travel and admin issues in a just and reasonable fashion. For instance: UN agencies calculate and offer one lump sum to many a official travel assignment that saves time, resources and needless bureaucracy.

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  • Chantibabu

    We are talking about tickets being donated to charity. What happend billions of rupees swindled in Common wealth, frequency license, bofors.

    Guess who is complaining , Vijay Singh who is a part of this corruptive Govt and also has criminal records in his political career

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  • Gullu45

    What apology..? Certainly no need of that for a person of the stature of MRS BEDI ..as it is just a techinical error..done with some simple sincerity..
    This is hide &seek game between ANNA TEAM & both the main political parties , as they dont want ANNA & its team to succeed.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad

    “Team Anna is quite balanced”.

    I liked that.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ VINOD JI ASK THE CONGRESS AND AMUL BABY TO SAY SORRY
    ABOUT BOFORS CHORIS, GHOOS RISHWAT ~~~
    ==============================================================

    First of all Kiran bedi did NOT rake kickbacks or ghoos or rishwat. That Rajiv Gandhi, Amar Singh Dhala and Raja did While Digvinash SIngh batted for the LeT…

    They need to say sorry. Not Kiran

    In fact Rajiv’s descendents should return the Bofors kisckbacks to the poor and Dalits of India, from whom the money was stolen…

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Vinod Sharma admits that “ The money so accrued went to her NGO and was used for visiting voluntary organizations incapable of picking up her travel expenses.”
    So either she is lying or admittedly there has been no wrong doing on her part . So why should an apology be sought from her. If it is being asked with other motives…to muddy the waters … to question her bona-fides to participate in the Janlokpal movement …to sully her reputation for challenging the corrupt Govt of the day …that many of us believe to be … then it is sad .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    You have to see the vicious of the attacks by the media to believe it.
    The unity of the anti-anti corruption movement forces too is as swift and strong as Anna’s movement two months ago.
    Why has the media turned, wholesale, against Anna’s team members?
    Remember Manish Tiwari? He called Anna corrupt from head to toe. The media hounded him, an otherwise darling, to such an extent, that he had to apologise for hurling abuses at Anna. Was there evidence of Anna’s profligacy with public funds? Yes, according to Tiwari and the commission of inquiry. So why was Anna not crucified? Was his kind of corruption, which was allegedly committed to celebrate his own birthday, different from Kiran Bedi’s alleged corruption which was to help destitute children get education?

    I feel, the media is suffering from pangs of guilty conscience for having humiliated and exposed the UPA and its leders in the various scams. It should be seen as the media’a way of saying to the congress party, “we are sorry, we are now atoning for our sins”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    Mr Vinod says that and Apology can add to Kiran Bedi’s stature….We say that an apology to the country could have added to the stature of Sonia Gandhi when she falsely claimed that she had maority support to form government. An admission of the money stashed abroad in Swiss Banks by the Congress bigwigs could add to the credibility of that party.An apology by the PM of India for closing his eyes to the loot of public money could dd to his credibility..and the list can go on and last but the least an admission of wrong stories done by media could add to its credibility.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The prime minister of India can also, for once, apologise to the nation for falsely claiming that he is a bonafide resident of Guwahati and entered the Rajyasabha on a false declaration of residence.

  • Anonymous

    Kiran Bedi overcharged us for travel, says NGO

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2568506.ece

    On how many fronts is she going to fight her battles? Wouldn’t her fight against corruption would take a back seat?

    Also

    Bedi says will pay ‘balance’, here are 18 more fake bills

    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Bedi-says-will-pay-balance-here-are-18-more-bills/864969/

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    AshishC Reply:

    Is Kiran Bedi all there is to the movement?
    Incidentally, the Sarkari Swamiji was in full flow last night on TV- raking up a controversy, demanding upto the minute accounts for PCRF, Ramlia expenses and what have you.
    Digvijay would be so proud…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where is the problem? People demanding honesty and transparency from others should also be prepared to divulge their side of honesty and transparency. Just because they are fighting for some “noble” cause does not exclude them from public scrutiny.

    It is for Kiran Bedi alone to salvage her reputation. Never mind what others (including Digvijay Singh) say, one should ignore them.

    You are missing the point – the trials and tribulations of Kiran bedi have nothing to do with the movement, per se.

    The latest is Anand Bal (the travel agent) has quit as a trustee of the NGO, claiming his reputation has been tarred.

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    AshishC Reply:

    I never suggested that they are exempt.
    There is a difference between scrutiny and innuendo.
    Before Agnivesh was outed as a mole he had no issues with anything or anyone in Anna’s team.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Interesting.

    I may be wrong, some of the members who have left may have found out that the state of affairs was not what they were supposed to be or not the way they should be conducted, for example – getting political by targeting X in the recent by-elections. I am sure that was never revealed to the people, who left, in the beginning or was not part of the initial agenda.

    Innuendos. What has K & Co. been doing all these months. If they do it, it seems it is OK with you.

  • Anonymous

    Naastik Karuna Nidhi called on a real flesh-and-blood goddess to get favours for his daughter, Kani Mozhi.

    His aastik wife, Raajaathi Ammal, went to to the temple of a real goddess to pray for the same Kani Mozhi.

    The flesh-and-blood goddess told him: I have ordered the CBI to demand the immediate release of Kani Mozhi. I couldn’t talk to the judge because there is some net-working problem. She would be home for deepawali.

    The spiritual goddess assured the mother: Let your daughter celebrate diwali in the company of fellow Thiharians, she will get her freedom on 3rd November.

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  • Anonymous

    Well said.

    Telling this to her supporters and fans is like pouring water on a duck’s back.
    They are defending her with all the “resources” at their command.

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  • Anonymous

    RAJEEV, u made me furious. Pl u aplogise to Dr Shah Alam straightaway, calling him muslim cos u disagree with his views is outrageous. There are few ppl here with very rich life experiences like Mishraji, Gopi and Ashish who are driven away by ugliness on blog.

    Dr Shah Alam whose posts I normally like has made trrrible diagnosis this time. Dr saheb, pl u answer , is headache same as neural cancer? Hint, u equate ! Rupee theft with trillion in zurich. Pl let us get trillion bak dr shah, then u and I will go after kiran with sottee, u may spank her as u seem to hate her so much.
    I say sorry to u on behalf of rajeev

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr shah, there is favorite word in England, PRIORITISE, it is used by everyone from doctors to politicians to businessmen. When nation unites and marches like army to rid and cleanse India of one of biggest evils, then we PRIORITISE our resources. We go after big fish sirji, we should be intelligent to overlook minor volations for now.

    I find you are bone doctor at AIIMS. Good. You are marching to operating theatre to remove gangrenous limb, and some idiot keeps diverting and distracting u with demand to treat patients acne first. Do u understand now doctor, what anti Anna attacks are doing? PRIORITISE, DOCTOR SAHEB, THERE IS A DHARAM YUDH ON, ATTACK THE GANGRENE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I think you are right! Dr Sahab is a good soul… but he would only want a corruption fighter who fits into his prescription….

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Balwinder ji,
    Thanks for the gracious apology you requested on behalf of someone else. Sir, with the ideology I follow it is pretty frequent to be called what the gentleman in question has said, so I am pretty use to it and have no ill feelings…..except may be being a little sympathetic for his ignorance.
    Coming back to the main argument, whether my diagnosis is wrong or right is something history will tell. I am very clear in my understanding of this movement (if we can call it a movement!). First and foremost I do not consider this or any other damn movement as a “dharam yudh”. By giving it a divine halo we only change the packaging to make it more palatable. The analogy may be akin to the Talibanis who in their sense of world are fighting a “jihad” and honestly Balwinder ji a jihad is a dharam yudh as well…..so I do not warrant this classification to be used on a random term…its simply dangerous. Those who use use it in common vocabulary have a specific agenda.
    Since last couple of weeks I have been explaining on this blog the reasons why I do not support this team of clowns and if you go through my strings you can have a feel of what I mean and why.
    A part of my training in Orthopaedics was in the UK and I clearly understand your analogy of prioritize but unfortunately you have missed the main message of prioritize……”if you have too many things to do, then prioritize!”. For a country like India, I would rather prioritize hunger, illiteracy, poverty, casteism, religious intolerance, health, infrastructure development, adivasi upliftment, mainstream inclusion of the underpriviledged, economic equipoise,……………believe me Balwinder ji as a true Indian, Anna and team clown come last in my priorities.
    Hope you understand me better now.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Khan

    As usual, you have hit the nail on the head. Kudos.

    AshishC Reply:

    Whose head did he hit the nail on? Oh, okay; those who stop coming to the blog from tomorrow, I guess!

    I would rather prioritize hunger, illiteracy, poverty, casteism, religious intolerance, health, infrastructure development, adivasi upliftment, mainstream inclusion of the underpriviledged, economic equipoise,…
    What a large list of “priorities!!

    And, doctor Khan insists corruption is not even an issue that needs prioritization.
    And, of course he thinks all these issues are independent of each other- adivasi upliftment has no link to illiteracy and poverty nor would it need health, infrastructure…. just an example of the rather simple way his mind works.
    I would not even bother pointing out obviously hunger and poverty and illiteracy are inter-related. That would be cruel.
    And, of course trying to point out the corruption is sucking the very vitals of all government schemes to tackle those items that he has “prioritized” would be simply too much.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks for the comments Ashish sahib. Unfortunately you too make a statement without understanding the core issues which I try to enumerate. How did you imagine that as per my list, corruption is not to be prioritized? Wrong. It has to be prioritised but not the Anna way….surely not! As for your remarks on inter-relationship between hunger and poverty, who can deny this but Sir probably (at least from my understanding) we are coming to a point where we need to stop people from dying of hunger and disease without giving a priority to make them literate or reasonably well off/above the poverty line…hope you understand. I say so after seeing the absolutely wretched conditions of human survival in the interiors of the country. I presume you are a learned man and if you have a chance do grab a copy of Sainath’s book called Everybody Loves a Good Drought. It depicts to an extent the priorities I was talking about.
    You are correct corruption sucks money out of upliftment schemes and that surely is a worry but to blame it only would be a foolish preposition. Governmental schemes do not work not only because of corruption but because of a lack of administrative will. What can you expect from a government which prioritises nuclear explosion over school education, or for that matter economic policies which benefit the classes at the cost of masses?
    For me Anna and his team of clowns do not represent a revolution of hope; its a heterogeneous group of people with personal agenda. It would be a sine to prioritise them on a list which is far too gory and wretched than their white kurtas and luxury sedans.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Who says corruption is not even an issue? If you have got that impression, then you need to rethink.

    As the doctor has already replied, I need not add anything more, except that the K & Co. way is not the way to fight corruption. I am sure that you can recall my posts during the last several months, wherein I have always advocated that we have to find prevent corruption and not play robbers & police later by another body such as Lokpal – strengthening the existing institutions and authorities, make changes in the system.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    when you know for sure you cannot tackle even a single issue, you can call a whole lot of issues as PRIORITY. It is actually a joke.

    Actually, after nearly fifty years of congress rule, all these so called priorities are becoming worse by the year.

    Khan may be of the opinion that corruption is not an issue, because he might be one of its beneficiaries. which, perhaps is why he is opposing the fight against it with such vehemence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balle..Balle..Tara rarara…oye haddipa..piyo lassi..aur mouja hi mouja..

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  • Anonymous

    @D i c k head sandhu , headache is one of the first symptom of Brain Tumour.Keep to your Kabuterbazi. The point is 100 lokpal will not be able to eradicate corruption.
    Shouting corruption corruption is one thing PROVING IN A COURT OF LAW IS OTHER. Just like Tony Blair and MI5 defended their misadventure by calling it a “oversight” or “acted on the basis on best available information” etc.
    similarly this SCAM had its seeds sown right at its inception. It has 100% to do with FAKE/PSEUDO (like ball sandhu) patriotism.NOT A SINGLE INDIAN COMPANY HAD ANY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, YET THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO BID.
    This kind of false patriotism is what Tagore warned his countrymen against.See satyajitray’s film HOME AND THE WORLD.If GOI let all foreign cos bid in the first place NO SUCH SCAM WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE.These indian cos were JUST BUYING THE LICENSE , then to be sold on to the foreign cos.Just like SKYTATA, what is TATA’s contribution technically NIL. might well be only SKY.
    Like it used to be KALYANI SHARP, what a joke.

    FAR MORE IMPORTANT READ ON
    There was a programme in newsnight , BBC2 , how Massive global food shortage is prompting Venture captalist from london to invest in farming in Zambia.
    They have bought130000acre single plot(yes you are reading it correct) farm.
    THIS IS INDUSTRIAL FARMING AND ECONOMY OF SCALE
    The BENEFIT , PRODUCTION OF CORN WILL BE INCREASED THIRTY TIMES(Again you are reading it correct).
    This is what INDIA NEEDS NOT KIRAN BEDI’S NAUTANKI IN RAMLILA MAIDAN.
    ALSO OUR PM PM MMS may be an average economist , HE IS NO INTELLECTUAL GIANT AND HE SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS SCAM

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY the CONFRONTATION with KIRAN MAY TOPPLE THE CONGRESS~~~
    ==============================================================

    Using a sold out media the congress may be celeberating smugly that it has managed to tar all who opposed it.

    Fact is, it has lost a lot of credibility and probably will lose 2014

    However taking on Kiran is a different ballgame all together.

    She is gutsy and knows the law. She has all the contacts in the police who will give her details of Congressi crimes….

    And the fun would begin…

    Maybe Rahul Baba and Pranab should become PM fast. 2014… bbharat ki janata ka hai… dynasts aur sycophants ka nahin…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    Kiran Bedi is indeed gutsy.
    There is a proverb, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

    Therefore, congress party and its petty leaders like Digvinash Singh will soon feel the heat of the back lash.

    She may, meanwhile be feeling, in Shakespeare’s words:

    “The trust I have is in mine innocence
    and therefore am I bold and resolute.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    I think we will see a fight to the end. And it could be the end of the Congress 2014… and Digvinash’s and Pranabda’s plan to grab the kursi by keeping the Amul baby as a mukhota…

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  • Anonymous

    Bappam,

    elsewhere I have written about my personal meetings with her and also my opinion of her. And I entirely agree with you that the police department is the most corrupt among all government departments. Therefore, her service in the department should speak for her for its selflessness, incorruptibility and honesty.

    I have read some of your recent posts in HT. You should visit this blog too often and share your views with the rest of us regulars.

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  • Anonymous

    Normally I like to respect doctors but DR SHAN hiding under new ID Cingulate is an exception. You cockroach did u read what I wrote, headache is not same as brain tumour. One billion ppl will get a headache once a year, maybe a few may have brsin tumors.
    Dont know why I argue, ishwar and many others has slready called u asssswipe, pl fade away most ridiculed specimen on blog

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  • Anonymous

    British Sen,

    can’t you please see the difference in the issues involved?
    Vinod Sharma hasn’t accused Kiran Bedi of corruption,,but Kiran Bedi is fighting the politicians on the issue of anti-corruption bill jan lokpal.
    What she has done can at best be described as indiscretion or misdemeanor of a minor nature. Do you think both are same because now the corrupt politicians are getting hand-clasp from the media?

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  • engrich

    shan,ravi mohan_t good and revealing article on libya,

    .

    http://dondebar.blogspot.com/2011/09/libya-and-big-lie-using-human-rights.html

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  • Anonymous

    That is a revelation.

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  • Anonymous

    The campaign against laws to check corruption, as led by Anna, is not directed against individuals. This is about laws and enforcement mechanism that would apply to everyone , of all political parties, in an effort to curb corruption and make government more accountable.

    No individual Congress leader has been targetted in this agiation. Its not about individuals. Period.

    However In retaliation, Congress and its Congres paid media ( by now readers of this blog should have first hand knowledge of it ) has embarked on a campaign directed against individuals who are leading the agiation.

    Its shameful and indefensible.

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  • Anonymous

    Guys have you forgotten Ramalinga Raju and Satyam. Corruption is not exclusive to Govt , private sector is even more corrupt, WHICH LOKPAL WILL NOT TOUCH

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Most of the guys here are not interested in eradicating corruption – their dream is to dislodge the present dispensation and replace it with the one of their liking. In the process, whoever and whatever comes in handy that they think will help them in “fulfilling” their dream is a hero/heroine. Kiran Bedi is one such.

    With more murky details coming out, the supporters and the fans of Ms. Bedi have fallen silent here for the last couple of hours. How long can they go on defending the indefensible?

    Private sector corruption is well known. Most companies choose to quietly bury the scandals so that their “reputation” remains intact.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    first four lines of your post says that most of the guys here are interested in to dislodge present dispension, so what is wrong in this? Are we not in a democratic country? And if they see a person, with impeccable public service record, in the vanguard of this movement and are trying to lend their support to her, what is wrong here?
    Private sector corruption should be routed in toto by whatever means available, no body is defending it, who is defending this corruption here? Who should keep a tab on these companies? of course government, authorities, with all the power vested in them by constitution. economic offence wing, income tax or what you have

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    No problem in dislodging per se. The impression I have got, in so many posts, that the corruption and misdeeds of the present dispensation is highlighted (and rightly so) and others are treated as if no wrong has been committed or justifiable.

    Corruption is all pervasive in our society and has to be fought in all fronts – not selectively by targeting only X – that is why doubts are raised – as to the intent.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Agree with you. There can not be a selective approach. The broom should sweep, whatever dirt it can reach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    an attempt is being made to show that all people who are supporting Kiran Bedi and Anna Hazare have fallen silent, because according to one very very wishful thinker, ‘more murky deals are coming out’.

    If Shah Alam khan has fallen silent for hours, do you then take it that he has nothing to say and has come to believe that what he called a gang of clowns are actually not?

    this is plain wishful thinking. Kiran Bedi and the so called gang of clowns, knaves and frauds are fighting our war on corruption and let us make these saintly persons who are so passionately supporting the most corrupt regime in the world understand that the fight will go on, regardless of the quantity of muck they throw at the gang of clowns.

    He must remember that Manish Tiwari, after accusing Anna Hazare of fraud and misappropriation of public funds had to beg public apology. The accusa tion has NOT gone away, but Manish Tiwari had to eat humble pie and vanish from his lofty perch in the party.

    The same fate would befall all these jokers now trumpeting Kiran Bedi’s frauds.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Though I am impressed with people who are fighting for anti corruption movement, there could always be a different perspective. Nothing is purely black or pure white. so let us also not label people with other perspective as some one with scheming mind. otherwise, what will be the difference in them and pro anti corruption movement supporters. Each party will be castigating other as having hidden motives.
    Sorry, sounding preachy? Can not imagine to preach you. Neither now, nor in future.
    Corruption is as ancient as probably existence of intelligent life form, where weak or needy understood that by gratifying certain need of powerful, S/he can get some favor. What we should strive for is that equation of powerful dispensing favors for personal gratification situation is eliminated in total.

    engrich Reply:

    anna wants patwari to be very honest.while his jatwala,ram naam kee loot hai loot sakai so loot.

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  • Dr Mishra

    DR SHAH ALAM”””””””””

    You have a big heart to forgive and ignore the pointless communal jibe thrown at you. Incidentally, I had come to your office in Aug and was intrigued to find no nameplate ??

    1. Now to business. Ashish is right many priorities are linked- illiteracy, healthcare poverty etc, but corruption UNDERPINS them all
    2. My pet priority is population control, it is frightening. I alone on this blog beat a very lonely drum about it.
    3. The most important point that you have ALL missed is this- we may all have a list of slightly different priorities, but since MILLIONS OF PEPLE, ACROSS ALL CLASS AND RELIGIOUS DIVIDES ARE UNITED ON THIS ONE ISSUE, then sieze the opportunity. It may not come again for ? decades.

    This is what I think Balwinder praaji was trying, I think to say in his rustic way. And not to appreciate this basic point, is to my mind, Shah and Manohar, almost traitorous. Good night from Yorkshire, Sirs, it is getting chilly now here.

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    engrich Reply:

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Sir,
    Thanks for the reply. Well, my room did not have a nameplate in August as the corridor where it is situated was under renovation. Presently the room does have a name- written in bold! Having said this, there are very few minutes in my day at the Institute when I can actually get to sit in the room….I regret to have missed meeting you in Aug. I appreciate your magnanimity in the last debate where I was jibed.
    Coming back to the debate, I know what you and probably Pankaj ji are talking about. You people want to use this opportunity to create ripples….you are correct in doing so but the basic question remains don’t you think that the subset of values which define this movement are dangerous for a democracy? Even the basic version of Lok Pal which team clowns is trying to push through is not up to the mark. Explanations like it is only for governmental bodies is flawed. Why shouldn’t Kiran Bedi & Kejriwal not fight to include the private loot under the LP bill? Isn’t this a corruption of sorts…..exclusiveness at will? Democratic set ups cannot be the sweet will of a few people (just like it shouldn’t be the free will of dynastic rules). Finally I do not agree with your statement that the movement has united people across caste, class, religion, etc. Sir this was an urban, high caste, middle class movement. I can send you a list of people who are even today fighting for low class, low caste, rural people of India… if you wish, the list will include exclusively those who are fighting against corruption. Fight against corruption did not begun with the likes of Anna and Bedis, its a long term quest for freedom from the colonial mindset which plagues this country…..corruption is the by product of social inequality and it needs more than a team of jokers to get rid off.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra

    1) I will not object you calling me “almost traitorous”, it is a free world. If you consider if someone has dissenting views from yours or from you group, he/she is a traitor, I am sorry to say that it shows that you do not understand what democracy and democratic debate is all about. Why do you think there is a parliament and why there are debates/discussions therein, especially in a diverse country like ours?

    Let us take your logic further – if majority in the parliament has a view A on matter X and the BJP does not agree with it and has a different view, should the majority dub the BJP as traitorous? No sir, they would not.

    2) This movement did not encompass people from all strata of society and it was restricted to only urban centres. If you think otherwise, so be it.

    Let me reiterate

    a) This institution of Lokpal that is sought to be established will be another parallel bureaucracy, thousands of crores will be spent to run it and benefits /results highly suspect. Corruption is not going to get reduced or disappear. Again if you think otherwise, just wait and watch.

    b) Anna Hazare (rather Kejriwal & Co.) should have engaged the government primarily on issues that need more urgent attention – rural development, universal education, etc. – i.e. improving the lot of the disadvantageous sections of our society, but then these issues do not attract eye-balls for the protagonists as these are not glamourous issues.

    In short, the clowns (as Dr. Khan correctly calls them) are attempting to sell a dream that once this monster (Lokpal) is created it will be lovely days sans corruption for the rest of our lives and thereafter. Nothing can be further from reality.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dear Shahji;
    Thanks for your post to me. I will certainly call on you at your OPD on one of the suggested days.
    I will restrict myself to your post addressed to me. I am sorry to understand that you have considered me more blind than a blind person, who can not see the support Bedi is getting from various people. Yes, she is getting lot of support, alright, but not for the subterfuge, she indulged in. Every serious blogger has hinted and pointed out that what she was doing was not correct but Rai ka Pahad aur Pahad ka Rai banana, this kind of practice is also reprehensible. Many of our media people have specialized in this field and I wish we had jouranalists, who would report, analyse and let us hoi polloi, know what is what. A clear schism is discernible in Indian media, where most people are with establishment and true function of journalists of being a watchdog for people has been relegated at the altar of privilages and perks. I am not including Vinodji in toto in this category, but wish, he was more balanced in his reporting. One of the very powerful tool in democracy is the fourth state, apart from Judiciary and Opposition etc. My arguments were on those lines.
    Now, if we speak about illiteracy, Poverty, Communalism and various other ills thriving in present India, which includes corruption as well, which has assumed gigantic proportion, why one should not raise one’s voice against them? This group is raising their voice against corruption, let other groups come forward and raise their voices against these ills of indian society. what is the point in blaming this group and suspecting ulterior motives behind this. May be, their methodology is wrong, may be there is lot of confusion amongst them, but I think that people who find fault with them should suggest ideas, should throw ideas for public debate etc in place of finding fault with present group.
    I hope, you will throw some light on other problems, I / you mentioned above and your method of dealing with them.
    Regards

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Thanks for the reply. Some of the answers to your questions are in my reply to Dr Misra. You are absolutely correct in the description of the media. My cousin has depicted this very well in the movie Peepli Live. Now note the dichotomy of the Anna movement, they don’t want media under the Lok Pal bill…a bit strange?
    When we make idols, we want them to behave like one. As a sentimental lot of people, we cannot allow idols to falter. It is for this very reason that when ever a god man in India is caught in corruption or any other scandal, it makes big news. The intricacies of social balances in India make us an interesting country vis a vis movements like this. For a movement to be successful the single most important ingredient is inclusiveness. Unfortunately the Anna movement lacked coherence when it came to caste, class and to an extent religious divide. How are dalits expected to sit and support a movement at Janatar Mantar when every now and then anti-reservation slogans were being raised (this is first hand account I witnessed)? Pankaj ji whether the Anna movement succeeds or fizzles out under its own contradictions can be anyones guess; what I am very clear on is the fight for corruption has to be fought on a broader scale with more inclusiveness than now. Hope we all are on the same page when it comes to the final result.
    Look forward meeting you.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blimey, Are you talking about Miss Rizvi or Aamir Khan.
    It was indeed a very good movie , but i beleive it is totally Miss Rizvi’s creation which as always Aamir totally elbowed her out, and she has vowed not to work again.
    Actually it is not so much media , it is the VOYEURISM of the public , that is the main incentive. That is why gory mobile phone footage of gaddafi’s corpse dragged through the street is posted on the internet .
    The outstanding depiction of this voyeurism as exploited by the media was shown in the film THE TRUMAN SHOW.
    another film that explores the innate propensity of human mind for the baser aspect of life is portrayed in David Cronenberg’s film CRASH

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Well I was talking about Anusha.
    Truly,
    Shah

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes Shahji;
    The movement has to be not only broad based but all inclusive. Corruption affects us all and has no class, caste, or religious distinction. If, the movement was exclusive kind, then, it should improve itself and should become all inclusive.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “the fight for corruption has to be fought on a broader scale with more inclusiveness than now” – please suggest how to broaden the scale?

    The smaller the target, the better is the chance of acheiving it. As far as inclusiveness is concerned, no one can be forced into joining it. In mu opinion, most of the people who are opposed to it are the ones who are sympathetic to the present dispensation at the centre.

    I didn’t support the movement when it started but now I extend my full support to it (after the Sarkari Swamy was caught and rightly thrown out). To me you are a clown who is essentially using his superior writing skills to obfuscate things.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks Ishwar ji for appreciating my writing skills at least. Well you are right if the target is small it is more achievable. Broadening the base of agitation simply means achieving short term targets with an eye on long term goals. I can see the malice in the long term goals through the achievement of short term targets which this movement proposes…and hence I refuse not to call this a circus with clowns all around.
    Hope you understand.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam,

    you have always said that Anna the clown and his circus lacked popular support or a mass base. I believe you also hold the view that Anna has tried to de-stabilise a duly elected government.

    The congress party too has always been critical of the “circus”, but on different grounds. It says Anna has widespread support. I am reproducing a comment by Raashid Alvi (Aug16), the new-fangled Gen.sec of the party, much before Anna the clown went on a fast:

    Suspecting a “foreign” hand behind Anna Hazare’s anti-graft movement, Congress today raised questions on the US’ statement that India would exercise “appropriate democratic restraint” in dealing with peaceful protests and asked the government to inquire how a “lone” civil rights activist is drawing support.

    “US never supported any movement in India since its Independence. For the first time, the US said Anna Hazare’s movement should be allowed and there should be no obstruction to it. What was the need for the US to give this statement?

    “ It needs to be considered whether there is any power which is supporting this movement which wants to destabilise not only the government but the country. We need to take the statement of the US seriously,” party spokesperson Rashid Alvi
    told reporters at the AICC briefing.
    he said “government should inquire about it and find out the truth”.

    “ Anna is alone. Anna has no organisation but only a few friends standing by him. The big question is how this movement came into existence? How people in such a large number come out to support him?” the Congress leader said.

    Noting that various forces with different ideologies have joined Anna’s agitation on only one issue of Lokpal, he appealed to the government on behalf of Congress to find out the forces behind Hazare’s agitation adding “Anna cannot do it alone through his own resources.”

    Alvi also referred to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s reply in Parliament today and said that at a time when the country was emerging as a powerful country, it will have to be contemplated whether there is any power which wants to destablise not only the government but the country.

    Do you also believe that the circus is funded and aided by unseen hands in the US?

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Sorry Shenoy sahib, you should have realised by now that I have decided not to indulge with you in any discussion for a simple reason that for you I am a rabid communal Muslim who is slowly loosing the veneer of liberalism & secularism (as from your reply to the malignant post by Mr. Rajeev). I have all the answers to your naive queries but since I cannot engage with someone who stoops down to that low a level and unfortunately or fortunately I cannot change my religion or ideology, so I hold on to my position. I am sorry to have written this but Sir please lets not indulge in any mud slinging….there are many more on this forum who can carry on the discussion without falling prey to frustration induced passion and religious hegemony.
    No ill feelings please.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam,

    Should I feel grateful that you have, even from your high horse of what you alone know, condescended to tell me that you hold me below your noble, intellectual, level and hence cannot “reply” to my “naive queries”.

    Just as you have several more on this blog who just about match your high intellect and also superior argumentative powers, I too am fortunate that there are some in this same blog who see eye to eye with me on several issues of national importance.

    I may have agreed with Rajeev’s calling into question your kind secularism, I haven’t read your countering Dr. Mishra, who wrote, just a while ago, “This is what I think Balwinder praaji was trying, I think to say in his rustic way. And not to appreciate this basic point, is to my mind, Shah and Manohar, almost traitorous.”

    Perhaps, according to your noble ways of thinking, being traitorous is more fashionable than being communal or pseudo secular.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And Dr. Shah Alam, as for your inability to change your religion, our constitution provides all citizens of India the right to follow the religion of their choice.

    If your forefathers could change their religion, you too can; it is only a question of whether you want to.

  • Anonymous

    THIS IS HOW CORRUPTION IS PREVENTED , NOT GHUNGHAT ACT IN RAMLILA MAIDAN OR ANSHAN BY A DIMWIT EX HAWALDAR, now read on

    An inefficient payment system is leading to an annual loss of Rs.1 trillion for the government, and this can be tackled through an electronic payment model, management consulting firm McKinsey and Co. said on Monday in a report titled Inclusive growth and financial security: The benefits of e-payments to Indian society. The report was commissioned by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    A major chunk of this leakage—nearly Rs.71,000 crore—is part of the government welfare schemes to households, the McKinsey report said.

    Current payment flows between government and individual households, including subsidies and social services to individual citizens, is around Rs.13 trillion.

    According to the report, transaction costs account for 15-20% of total losses to the government and overhead and administrative costs around 5-10%. Leakages account for 75-80% of total losses.

    Transaction costs are associated with cash or cheque payments at payment source and destination, and overhead and administrative costs are a result of manual payment processing, audits, and payment reconciliation. Leakages are caused when payments of benefits or for services are diverted to unintended individuals or groups, the report said.

    According to the report, the adoption of e-payments will help increase transparency of financial transactions and catalyse financial inclusion.

    “Over 83% of the savings will potentially come from welfare schemes where the extent of inefficiencies is often higher than 30%,” said Naveen Tahilyani, partner at McKinsey and co-author of the report.

    “Consider the fact that current payment flows are mostly meant to serve the poor and the financially excluded, and that with e-payments, the savings in welfare schemes alone could translate to approximately 15% of the average income of a poor household in India, and you have a compelling case for instituting an e-payments model,” he said.

    With a view to mitigating the wastage in the current payment flows, the report recommends setting up an integrated e-payment infrastructure throughout the payment chain and creation of a centralized network for electronic transfers at all government departments, accessible and convenient transaction points in rural areas and a tamper-proof identity authentication infrastructure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Correct, but how many of the bloggers will agree that only such measures can reduce corruption, not by nauTankis and not by creating a monster called Lokpal. Very few indeed.

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  • Anonymous

    Wishing everyone a very peaceful & a happy Diwali
    and
    a prosperous new year.

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  • Anonymous

    More dirt is being dug out.

    Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

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  • Anonymous

    Happy Diwali to everybody. May this Diwali brings lots of prosperity
    peace, joy and happiness to all of you.
    There are very few buildings in Dubai where we dont see any lights otherwise
    almost whole Dubai is iluminated with lights of different shapes and colours.
    Whole city looks beautiful in the evening.

    HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL OF YOU.

    CELEBERATE AND ENJOY.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL~~ and let us celeberate next year by killing the corrupt~~
    ==============================================================

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    Happy Diwali to you.

    Next year we will certainly celebrate Diwali in more propitious circumstances, but we will not kill the corrupt, we will only finish them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let’s wait and I am pretty sure activists will be the one who will loose…The real Diwali will be in 2014 when same politicians will beg for votes and will get kicked as per their past karma.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Shah and Manohar, of Faizan and Farrukh”””””””””””’

    First of all apologies, in my passion for India I do get carried away in my choice of words. I did say ‘almost’ traitorous, haha
    In August I took a trip to the Taj Mahal. The driver was Farrukh a poor muslim from the Rajasthan Haryana border and our guide for the whole day was Faizan a young collge undergraduate from Agra. Political animal that I am you can imagine the opportunity I had to debate with two muslims from different socio economic strata of society.

    We went through the usual- Faizan slightly perturbed by my criticism of Aurangzeb and my praise of Dara Shikoh and Akbar etc etc. The lack of educational excellence in the small town and rural muslims, the rise of radicalisation in their community etc etc

    BUT WHERE THERE WAS TOTAL AGREEMENT WAS THAT THEY CONSIDERED ANNA AN ANGEL AND THE MOVEMENT THEIR OWN- sorry they had not picked up on the cynical sneer of Barkha Dutt and Jawed Naqvi. Farrukh in particular had a culture that employed age old Rajasthani hindu rituals and his muslim identity was accidental. Like mine- an accident of birth.

    He had in fact been asked by his panchayat to marry his elder brother’s widow- I think he called the ‘rasam’ – veervattu- but I could be wrong. And wherever I encountered waiters, shopkeepers, photographers, gardeners at Sikandra etc- there was a boiling anger at the looters elite, and a feeling- OUR TIME HAS COME

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    being morally supportive and physically participating in the agitation are two different things. Perhaps Dr.Shah Alam was drawing this distinction in all his posts. He also believes, with proof of course, that Anna’s movement is backed by the RSS and BJP, if you go by the slogans “bharat mata ki jai, Vande mataram” etc., besides, of course the “gori bharat mata picture as the backdrop.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Sir,
    I see many more Farrukhs & Faizans and still larger numbers of dalits, low caste wretched of Earths to have formed my opinion on the joker and his team. I have done camps in India where you cannot reach except on foot. My disconnect with such a sham movement is total and I firmly believe that if these wretched of the Earth are made to believe that “your time has come”, they are just being fooled into yet another unimaginable, non existent utopia.
    Till then Sir I am reminded of couplets by Faiz:

    Lazim Hai ke hum Bhi Dekhain Gay
    Woh Din ke Jis ka Wadah Hai
    Jo Loh-e-Azl pe Likha hai
    Hum Dekhain Gay
    Jab takht giraye jayenge aur taj uchale jayenge

    It is necessary that we shall also see
    That day which has been promised
    Which is written with God’s ink
    We shall see
    When thrones will be tossed

    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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  • Dr Mishra

    so on this occasion Shah and Manohar, this NRI had more of a feel of the poor man’s pulse in India- better get back to work- this blog will kill me.

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  • Anonymous

    I am waiting for the day when Mr. Vinod Sharma would write a similar blog on Sonia’s trip to the US.

    I would see if he writes about:
    a) the nature of her illness
    b) which hospital she was in and for how long
    c) who accompanied her
    d) which Indian doctor recommended the hospital
    e) which Indian doctor was with her on the trip
    f) was any detour made to any of the tax-havens
    g) who dis she meet
    h) who paid for the expenses

    If you don’t tell us Mr. Sharma, one Mr. Swamy certainly will.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You should be ashamed to raise finger on modern Bharat Mata. She has first right to all the resources. Who are we ‘Saale Kaley aadmi’ to question Italian empress?

    Apni Aukaat mein raho..

    Vinodji, Theek kaha naa?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    aap ne theek nahin kahaa.

    aapko kehna chahiye thaa: “gori bharat mata”

    It would at least have the approval of Dr.Shah Alam Khan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    I don’t agree with point a. She has right to her privacy.
    b, d, f, h are relevant questions and rest are basically not civilized.

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  • Anonymous

    This blog space, which is suppose to deal with Indo-Pak issues between India and its evel, corrupted at birth twin Pakistan has degenarated into anti-Anna crusade by Mr Sharma.
    Just look at last 3 blogs. 1. Aanna’s Kejriwal playing BJP proxy 2. Anna’s maun 3. Apology ..Kiran Bedi are all part of smear campaign by Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Vinod Sharma has some ambitions and right now Anna & his team is his ladder. He has been noticed by Digvijay who is direct link to Sonia and Rahul.

    I am sure Vinod will be awarded with padma shri or some rajya sabha seat. He has effectively become editor of Congress Sandesh.

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  • Anonymous

    Happy Diwali to you all.

    As far as Kiran Bedi’s issue is concerned, I think aggrieved parties should file FIRs against her and let law take its own course. I think Kiran Bedi should resign from Core Committee but still stay associated with IAC. I think she was targetted because the way she mocked politicos at Ramlila Ground.

    I get a feeling that most of the Indians don’t even understand what is corruption and what is not. What Kiran Bedi did was not purely corruption but it is definitely border line case. Had she pocketed the money, I’d have called her corrupt.

    Now coming back to Jan Lokpal, I think pressure should be applied on this govt. because there is a clear attempt by this UPA govt. to divert the attention of the masses. It has worked in the past but may not work in future.

    I heard she used Mizoram Quota to get admission for her daughter..This reminds me of someone who used fake domicile certificate from Assam to enter Rajya Sabha. Looks like these kind of things are way of life in India. I can say with 100% gurantee that all of us here have committed at least one financial corrupt act in our life but does that mean we actually wanted to. The Indian system is tuned in such a way that no one can escape corruption. I remember that around 1994, one Ticket checker was severely beaten up by other TCs because he was honest and refused to indulge in corruption.

    It is congress party who has ruled India for 50+ years that has nurtured corruption and made corruption as way of life in India. It is responsibility of Congress to work with others to eradicate corruption. It is only Congress Supremo Sonia and Prince Rahul who can take effective measure to curb corruption in India (their Jagir) else they should be kicked out. If Gora Sahibs can’t do it then who would.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You earlier wrote in response to my query.
    “The whole thing is being twisted to a mega amplifier. The money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor.

    Why is tax payers money used for z category security for the Yuvraj???

    Even when he goes motor cycle racing on a private track created on famers land by Vadra and the DLF scions…

    That is misuse of tax payers money. Am waiting for your answer Manohar…. ”

    ——————

    I trust you have read the links I mentioned in earlier. I repeat them for your benefit.

    1) Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

    2) Trustee of Kiran Bedi’s NGO quits, claims his reputation tarnished

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Trustee-of-Kiran-Bedis-NGO-quits-claims-his-reputation-tarnished/articleshow/10488306.cms

    3) Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal: Not the perfect role models

    http://www.sify.com/news/kiran-bedi-and-arvind-kejriwal-not-the-perfect-role-models-news-columns-lkyxvvfbhch.html

    ——————-

    1) Money saved by lying to the world that she only flies business class? Wasn’t she getting enough funds for her NGO? The rebates she gets from state-owned Air India is tax payers’ money.

    What was the need to lie, if indeed the money was going for a good cause? If by honestly telling that she needs money for her NGO, perhaps people would have given her more than the fudged amounts.

    You say – the money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor. Then why has she decided to return the difference?

    As someone pointed out – netaa aur doosre kare toh chor, kiran bedi kare toh charity.

    I can see now what awaits her – invitations will dry up (who will trust her), as her credibility has taken a severe beating (never mind where the excess money went). That is where Vinod’s suggestion that she should have apologized has so much merit. Perhaps, you will not appreciate that because your heroes/heroines are not supposed to apologize – “jab galat kaam kiyaa hi nahin, to maafi kyon maange”. RIght?

    Next time you create “gods” to worship, please be extra careful, one never knows what lies beneath. You may also review your present gods and see if they are worth worshiping.

    2) I am equally appalled that our money is spent (rather wasted) on providing Z+ security to many of our politicians, who do not deserve it or are not entitled to it. However, you seem to have a problem with only Rahul Gandhi. What about L K Advani, Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre’s whole family and others? You seem to have no objections to that and I know why – you need not answer. Just as L K Advani is a only an MP, so is Rahul Gandhi. The Thakres do not even hold any constitutional or political office.

    Your obnoxious prejudice is there for all to see. I am not even disgusted by it.

    My apologies, if this seems to be too harsh a response. Have a great Diwali and a prosperous new year.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    I have been following your posts. You seem to be defending Rahul Gandhi and Dynasty all the time by pointing fingers at others. On one hand you say Anna’s team points fingers at others so they should be ready for same but when it comes to dynasty, you want to forego all the logic and sense of justice.

    Your obnoxious prejudice is there for all to see but I am not disgusted because there are many people like you who are brainwashed into believing that Nehru-Gandhi family is beyond all questioning…only Advanis and Modis are to be questioned…

    Try to get grip on your emotions. It is good to be loyal but to be irrationally loyal is dangerous. Many pitbulls attack others to save their owner but because of their irrational behavior they are put to sleep by their owners.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I bet you have not even bothered to connect my reply to what Vijay had asked me. Never mind, I do not expect that from you.

    If I was enamoured by Nehru-Gandhi family, I wouuldn’t have said the following a number of times. Care to go back couple of blogs or will continue to judge others with preconceived notions?

    1) That Indira Gandhi was the worst Prime Minister we have had
    2) That I hold Rajiv Gandhi responsible for not doing enough or nothing to prevent 1984.
    3) I have also questioned Sonia Gandhi’s choice of her political advisers.
    4) That Rahul Gandhi is not fit to be Prime Minister at the present time or may not be in future.

    If this makes you come to the conclusion that I am defending Nehru-Gandhi family and I am soft on Rahul Gandhi then you need to get your head examined or you have transitory memory or you do not understand plain English (as Vinod has rightly pointed out).

    Grip on one’s emotions,m blah, blah, blah. Ha,ha, ha. Keep and apply such unsolicited advice for yourself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar…

    I would like to know from you — that if you have five people in mind– who have the popularity, power and guts to finish of corruption?

    can you name them//

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can answer that-
    Sonia Gandhi
    Rahul Gandhi
    Priyanka Gandhi
    Robert Vadra
    Ahmed Patel

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I will answer that later. Now go and enjoy your teen patti and Johnnie Walker or whatever your favourite brand is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    It is a difficult question.

    Amar Singh has guts. In fact plenty of them and they are growing. But right now no power and very low on popularity quotient..

    Rahul Gandhi has power, but no guts. he is very popular, very lean and not hungry.

    Sonia Gandhi ditto as above, but has hunger for more power.

    Manmohan Singh has neither power nor guts, zero in popularity, even within his own party, only looks at other hungry people.

    Digvinash Singh too has no power, has a paunch which he believes is the same as guts. Again, zero in popularity, except with the palace. He is hungry for power, but is prepared to bide his time for the Yuvaraj to ascend the throne.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How conveniently and approvingly Vinodji is quoted!

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    Belated happy Diwali.
    I have been reading posts here and getting impression that current problems of corruption and terrorism are being given short shrift in favor of malnutrition, illiteracy, poverty etc. These problems are with us since millenium, at least. Terrorism and corruption of this scale has occuring since last couple of decades. Any government or every government swear by upliftment of poor, eradication of illiteracy and malnutrition, but few have a scintillating record on this front commensurate with money allocated and all that. Obviously, either money is siphoned off or implementation is so poor that funds remain unutilized, both reflecting on poor governance. Reality is that for maximum number of years, congress was in power and at some places in absolute power. It carries bigger responsibility for this dismal picture.
    Corruption and terrorism are deeply interlinked, these are burning issues and have potential to destroy Indian state, after which, no body will be there to look after our masses, who are so weak to face the 21 century world and history may not repeat itself in a very grotesque way again. In my opinion, Corruption and terrorism should be dealt in a bipartison manner as the better governance should be, when situation has improved. Little to hear from participants on those lines.

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  • Anonymous

    ===============================================================================
    ~~~ SOME GOOD NEWS ON DIWALI DAY ~~~~ before i rush off to a card and scotch session ~~~~
    ===============================================================================
    ~~~ AND of course worship Godess laxmi ……

    Before I start this posting let me clarify, why I said I am about to rush off to a card and scotch session. Becasue sir, in the double standard environment of this country, this statement would be used to vilify me… that how can a a guy who has scotch and plays cards can talk about corruption. Shame on him. has he ever felt the pain of the poor … is he not a right winger… celeberating Diwali… and my God.. scotch and cards… a real debauch!

    And O la la.. Laxmi ki puja bhi….

    But my idea is to see positives for a change.

    The primary reason I am writing this is to spread some optimism, on where I felt progress on tackling corruption has been made. SO here are my few examples… and why probably it happened.

    a) Honest officers on top:
    ————————————-
    The Delhi metro with which I have a few dealings is largely an honest organisation. All becasue of a Guy called Sreedharan. So a honest , dedicated guy at the top can make a difference.

    b) Computerisation:
    —————————–
    To get a birth certifcate or a death certificate in Delhi would take ghoos, patience and rishwat. I was pleasantly surprised to not that becasue fo computerisation things have changed largely. Smilarly the greater noida authority will give you all dues/txes on your proerty at the press of a computer button, something which all other authorities in India make you slog your balls for. and Ask Rishwat for. So while the officers may be still dishonest, the computer has at least blocked rishwat from one front.

    c) Privatisation:
    ————————
    DESU, the electricity board in Delhi was the pits of corruption. From getting a meter to getting it repaired or a line repaired… everything was impossible without bribes. Now it is largely corruption free because of privatisation.

    d)A vocal public:
    —————————
    Shopkeepers at a market a kilomtere away from my house had to pay hafta to the cops just to keep them happy. But one day all the shopkeepers got together, bashed a cop and complained to the commissioner. Things have changed since then.

    e) Better systems:
    ——————————
    Taking an auto or a Taxi in delhi could leave you open for a fight with the driver as he was 1000% going to overcharge you. However Now, with prepaid taxis/autos available at various points and radio taxis available… things have changed a bit.

    THIS IS of course a small list in a country of 1 billion.. Maybe there is a lesson for everyone in this…

    Anyway… HIc… hic… just opened the scotch … wish me luck for 3 aces in teen patti…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhaiyye Vijay;
    Kya teen patti aur Johny walker ki baat karte ho. My open invitation to you for a free trip to Vagas, lodging and boarding on me. Jeeto haaro tumhara, Air ticket bhi tumhara. Sushmita ko lao to uska sara kharcha mera. Ha.
    Shahji and Manohar, I am not all that frivolous, but Vijay is dear to me.I

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Thx for the offer.
    Sushmita aayegi toh…
    toh main bhar Chartered plane le loonga…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You are right. We do need to look at some positives… at least…

  • Anonymous

    @ Bob

    just got my head examined.

    it is still tilted towrds people who fight corruption…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ishwar, SONIA ILLNESS

    IS baar puttar changi gal nahin kitti. Bhaut kharab baat, why Sonia should reveal her illness to all if she does not want to. Shame on all of you who keep raising this issue, maybe it is private matter.
    Would u like to tell the world about your mothers hemorrhoids or about your Dads ring worm infection ? Pl u leave good lady alone on this point. And Subramanian Swamy is now one point irrelevance talk show. What a waste of talent. At times like this I think we are not mature as nation.
    What do our 3 wise doctors, Shah, pankaj and Mishraji say on this medical ethics issue? Pl sirji, u advice
    ps, DR SHAN idiot of cingulite, ur opinion not asked for

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Balwinder Praji;
    As Dr. Mishra is fond of calling you. Thanks for including me in the list of wise 3 people. Do you remember 3 wise people from east, who came to Jerusalem at the birth of Christ? Any way, I am honoured.
    Medical confidentiality is very serious matter in North America. Do not triffle with it. We have been hammered with this advise at every nook and corner. So, I will not ask for details.
    My objection is, when a lady, who lives at 10 Janpath, who has no means of income, except from Royalty from , Jawahar lal’s royalty of books, can afford a private treatment in USA? Sir, two generations’ income will not be sufficient to pay the bill for this treatment here. Seen, many families” Ujad gayin” for just payinfg hospital bill. Do not like this system. Can not help this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    No one is interested in knowing Sonia illness. Balwinder has attention deficit problem..Daaru peekar kuch samajh nahi aata.
    The questions are very simple-
    1. How much of tax payer money was spent on her illness?
    2. Where was she treated?

    If she spent money from her own pocket, we don’t want any info., but if she used taxpayer’s money, she better reveal how much she spent and where?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You may or get someone to file a RTI application for Q no.1.

    It no one’s business to know as to where was she treated.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The Bills will show where she was treated… This is required because she may be faking the whole thing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So file an RTI application if you are so keen to know it. Good luck.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    according to my “private information”, some 497 copies of Discovery Of India were sold in the last 3years, 477 of them to govt.libraries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5 copies were purchased by Digvinash SIngh to impress Amul Baby. Digviansh has placed them everywhere… car…drg room.. bedroom… toilet…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder

    Well spoken.

    One has to respect other people’s privacy. Many of the bloggers have not been taught such elementary etiquette.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    My two posts have been eaten away by moderator. Not in a mood to repeat them.
    One was for balwinder and another was to Vijay.

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  • Pankaj#1

    My apologies.
    They were there after all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Thoda dekh kar..Diwali ki khushi mein Zyada to nahi ho gayee..

    To everyone in North America, a very happy Diwali evening.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev S.
    Dear Rajeev;
    Again I will say, Hamen mita de jo…… diwali ki Khushushi main, get near to me, and this invitation may go to you. Problem is that these invitations are really triffle to me, they are serious. But, a big but, I should really love the person.

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  • Dr Mishra

    SONIA’S ILLNESS”””””””
    Respect to you praaji for your very direct approach. Yes, illness is a very private matter and when we trained at AIIMS, where many celebrities and politicians were treated, we were taught rigorously not to discuss their illnesses with friends and relatives.
    Balwinder, your comment on demanding to know the stature of everyone’s haemorrhoids was brilliant. Black humour and straight to the point as always, praa you never disappoint. Enough said

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Panditji and his sidekick balls sandhu, mutual admiration society , or rather
    YOU SCRATCH MY BALLS , I SCRATCH YOURS

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  • Anonymous

    @Bloggers etal. Looks like America’s war with pakistan may well be a possibility.
    There was a programme in BBC2 tonight called THE SECRET PAKISTAN.
    There was nothing unique in that documentary, it was about PAKISTAN PLAYING DOUBLE GAME , and how ISI is actively directing taliban , and that is RESULTING IN US AND NATO CASUALTY.Now it is not as if west suddenly woke up to this fact yesterday , THEY KNOW THIS SINCE GEORGE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE(read Bob Woodyard’s OBAMA’S WAR). What was galling is the fact that PAKISTAN APPARENTLY AIRLIFTED TALIBAN FIGHTERS TO SAFETY WHEN THEY WERE POUNDED BY USA .
    Now this programme to me looks like BUILDING UP PUBLIC OPINION, because the tone and tenor was PAKISTAN IS EVIL. And the timimg is striking.
    Also edited interview clips of former army chief Aslam Beg saying Taliban is our blood and flesh so it is natural they will get sanctuary in pakistan.
    Read the above with the Karzai interview to GEO TV , where he says “KHUDA NA KAREY PKISTAN AUR AMERICA KA JUNG HO”.Now this was said impromptu , and WHY SHOULD THIS QUESTION ARISE , karzai must have some access to some information for his foreboding.
    I invite manohar t , shah alam ,rajeevs, and others for there take on this very grave scenario.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps President Karzai is in the know that USA has finally lost patience with the Pakistan establishment and the latter has been told – start behaving or else. On other hand it may be tough posturing and a beginning of turning on the screws slowly.

    Pakistan has already put its hands up in dealing with the Haqqani group, saying they cannot take them on.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/282732/deepening-the-pakistan-india-divide/
    Generally, I do not go for links from Pakistan but this was from pervez hoodbhoy.
    Do indians harras Indians who wish to visit Pakistan?

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  • Anonymous

    Balwinder ji,

    you have chastised Ishwar for wanting to know the details of Sonia Gandhi’s illness and the expenses the Indian tax payers would be bearing.

    Please permit me to say a few more things on this matter.

    When Sonia Gandhi didn’t adopt Indian citizenship for sixteen years after her marriage into the first family of india and then suddenly she decided to become an Indian, when Rajiv Gandhi’s ascension to the throne became a mere question of time, many people questioned her motives, but were told “it is her private matter, who are you question?”

    When Indira Gandhi was assassinated, she took her children and took refuge in the Italian embassy. Then too some people questioned her lack of faith in the Indian state to protect its citizens, but were told, “it is her private affair, who are you to question?”

    She had given false affidavit to the election commission that she is a graduate from Cambridge university, and the country believed it to be true, until Subramania Swamy proved in the SC that she is a mere certificate holder of a one year English course run by a tutorial in Cambridge village. Sonia Gandhi then told the court, “it is a clerical mistake”. ANd the SC “requested” Dr.Swamy to leave the matter at that.

    Similarly, about her religion. The SC told the petitioners, “It is her private affair, who are you to question?”

    But, now, because the tax payers are footing the bill, in my “humble opinion”, the aam aadmi has a right to know how much was paid out, for what kind of illness, whether amount paid out was commensurate with the illness and treatment given, etc., etc., etc. Whether she gives it herself, or whether Swami takes it out from her party and government or whether some aam aadmi gets it under RTI query, matters littleas long as the right of the aam aadmi to know it is accepted.

    Therefore, in my “humble opinion”, Ishwar has the right to know. In democracies, holy cows are anachronisms. S

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    If a CGHS beneficiary and MPs are CGHS beneficiaries , and there is no other govt. scheme for medical treatment at public expense, there is a committee in the Health Ministry which has to examine and recommend that medical treatment is not availabe in India. Needless to say that permission is rarely granted. It is only then that a beneficiary can go abroad for medical treatment.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You wrote

    Manohar…

    I would like to know from you — that if you have five people in mind– who have the popularity, power and guts to finish of corruption?

    can you name them//

    ————

    A) Corruption is as old as the advent of mankind.

    B) Finishing off corruption not possible. Yes, minimize it to maximum extent as possible.

    C) One wishes that it could be done by 5 or 50 or 500 such individuals, but they cannot be everywhere all the time.

    D) How to minimize it. That is the question.

    The Kejriwal & Co.’s prescription is not the way. With creation of parallel bureaucracy (Lokpal). The more the bureaucracy more the corruption.

    E) If you recall over the last several months, we have been discussing this in the earlier blogs, so a lot of what follows has been said before.

    01) Decentralize the power down to the village/town/taluka levels. We do not need a massive and unwieldy power set-up in Delhi and in state capitals. IMO, half the ministries and departments are not at all needed (half the corruption automatically gets reduced!).

    02) First and foremost with this decentralization, we need to start building / creating water security in units mentioned above. Rest of the development and infrastructure would follow as a natural next steps. (it is preferable for the people in smaller areas to keep track of the shenanigans of those vested with powers to take decisions).

    03) Food security and healthcare + education for all especially the downtrodden.

    04) The funds required for 02/03 must transferred directly to the units mentioned.

    05) In another post, you have mentioned
    (a) computerization and
    (b) privatization of utilities and government undertakings

    has helped in reducing hanky-panky and minimize corruption. That is the way forward.

    05) Our law enforcement agencies – the police, the CBI, etc. need to be made autonomous independent of political interference – like the Election Commission and CAG.

    06) Our judicial system, which has ground to halt, needs to be expanded and bottlenecks eliminated. We all know the adage – justice delayed is justice denied and in out country it has taken a “criminal dimension” – delayed almost for ever.

    07) All appointments to the bureaucracy and related services to be say on 10 year basis. Today, a person is in government service, it is impossible to dismiss him for any misdeeds. Every ten years, there would be opportunity to get the deadwood and the corrupt out of the system.

    08) The political parties should not put up candidates with suspect credentials.

    09) Plug the loopholes in the laws and acts that give scope for corruption.

    10) We, the citizens, should not look forward to shortcuts and bribe our way to get things (whether legally entitled to or not) done or to jump queues.

    F) This may sound utopian, but then there are no shortcuts. Now the big question, how do we make our leadership do this?

    You too must have realised a group of few dozen people (K & Co.) trying to force the government to do its bidding has had a very limited success. The fact these individuals are getting mired in controversies is not helping matters. Recall that our independence movement was not restricted to few leaders who by agitating in front of the Viceroy’s House made the British shiver and they left. It was a countrywide movement.

    If civil groups are to be formed to presssure our political leadership to get down to brass tacks and get serious, it has to be on much larger scale – say 5000 or even higher volunteers per state and spread geographically to begin with, the numbers will grow. Forget the huge crowds one saw on the TV screens – majority were voyeurs (or to use the Punjabi equivalent – tamaashbeens).

    Another big question, who will take the lead in doing so. I wish I could give you a definite answer and name the 5 or 50 individuals. There are certainly few in mind, but would they be willing to dirty their hands so to say? As of now – Kejriwal and Bedi would certainly be not in that list. Rather we need another Mahatma Gandhi and he is nowhere in sight. No easy solutions. That does not mean we should not strive to better our lives, we must. Again recall, we got our independence after more than 40 plus years of active struggle. We certainly do not need clowns to lead such a movement, this struggle is not a circus and not a political fight.

    I hope I have answered your questions satisfactorily. Perhaps, others can come with a better and faster solutions, would like to hear from them.

    PS: As an afterthought, what we are discussing is the changing the mindset of the people of India re: corruption. Is that humanly possible?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I read your posting. Yes there is merit in some of your suggestions. However we would really need somebody who would want to put those or any other suggestion for eradicating corruption into practice.

    One Chief Minister– I wont take the name– has made more than 25000 crorers in cash through land and dealings. The paperwork is immaculate. Nobody can find fault with it. Here is an example of how it happens.

    a) There is an auction of Land for developing a commercial market/mall

    b) The authority will call all elgiable parties and tell them that the minimum rate is say 200 crores for the plot while the market rate is 500 crores. But the auction will be fixed. Only three bidders will be qualified and they have to pay
    200 crores as kickbacks combineed. In the end the plot will be split up. The builders get it 100 crores less than the market price. The CM makes 200 crores… and the paperwork is immaculate.

    You see Manohar, in the end it would require a LokPal or such sort of body to sort out the dirt. Mere good intentions and policy won’t do it…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Again , classical third world ROTE LEARNING EDUCATION.
    If you have an OPEN AUCTION RECORDED ON CAMERA , NO HANKY PANKY can take place.
    Also ANYBODY should be allowed to bid , so long he can provide proof of solvency

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) We do not need a Lokpal. We can strengthen the CVC and the CBI, making them independent like the Election Commission.

    2) If the paperwork is immaculate, then I doubt anyone can be held guilty. As Shan has suggested that auctions be open, recorded on camera and any solvent bidder should be allowed to enter the auction.

    * The charge against A Raja is that he did not have open sale of the spectrum, he changed the dates and informed only the select few and not at price the spectrum was given away. Such practices must be stopped.

    As far as land is concerned, the new Land Acquisition Bill is supposed to address most of the issues – such as fair price for the owners, minimum role of the state, etc. I do not have all the details.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Remembr P J Thomas?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Remember in what context?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ah!, you can’t be that naive!!

    The Sonia govt. tried to strengthen the institution of the by appointing him as the CVC and was forced to withdraw.

    I am sure you would come up with smart ones to even defend that decision.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Attempting to be too clever by half?

    It seems you are unable to comprehend as to what Vijay and I are discussing and in what context. In such a situation, only an idiot would make comments like yours.

    I am not going to waste any more time commenting on the content of your post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most points in your self assessed serious discussion are either generalisations or impractical or meaningless.

    Anyways, I back off with apologies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha, changing tracks! I sincerely hope you understand what I mean.

    I have no problem with your opinion about my discussion, as I am not an intolerant bigot, which you probably are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you have been brought up in a funny way. In your last two posts, you have used not so kind words for me without a reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you wish me to treat you with respect and I will, if you stop attributing views and opinions on me. In your offending post, if you were so sure as to what I would say, then why ask?

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you wish me to treat you with respect and I will, if you stop attributing views and opinions on me. In your offending post, if you were so sure as to what I would say, then why ask?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I think you are being cruel to Ishwar..

    His viewpoint may be different… but then he has full liberty to say whatt he has in mind

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay

    Sure, I am. He is free to express his views and I have no problem (as I have already told him). However, if he keeps attributing motives, views and opinions on me, he will continue to get the wrong end of the stick.

    Sorry about it, Sanjay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Well we need a body stronger than the current dispensement. You could call it a Ombudsman if you want.

    The CBI and CVC only works as a handmaiden for the party at power at the centre as it is doing today– to fix all opponents fo the Congress.

    The state CID is helpless in front of a CM.

    It is not very difficult to nail down this corruption. Just check out the money trail. It coould well be hidden in Cash in farmhouses , in lockers, in land assets.

    Many a builder/mining company just make the Chief Minister a 10% partner in all projects.

    The rot is deep. It does requre a clean superbody to probe.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    Diwali celeberations are still on. At this age should cut down on eating sweats and
    drinking but diwali roz roz nahin aati. I also play cards regulary but not teen pati
    and not on diwali. And if anyone takes objection on our occasional drinking
    this is for them.

    Sharab peene se kya kaafir ho gaya mein ?
    ded chulu paani mein kya saare imaan bah gaye ?

    Happy diwali and happy new year to all of you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    You have confirmed what Shan had been advocating that computerisation
    will bring down the corruption level by some extent.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan and Manohar

    Of course computerisation would and has bought down corruption to some extent.

    I did not discover it… neither did Shan. But yes, effective computerisation will bring down corruption substantially. For example calculation of arrears/taxes/ amounts by departments which are a major souce of corruption can be tackled by computers. This makes it dispassionate and even a bad person in charge of the department cannot do anything to fool the public.

    However…

    The big issue remains the neeyat of the person in charge of the country/state/Ministery.

    Here is what ex HT employee and Vinodji’s seedy pal, Amar SIngh Dahla did with computers.

    In 2005, the NOida authority announced a public draw of 2000 plots. All these plots had market valeus running into crores each.Amar Singh Dahala and Mulayam SIngh were running UP then. SO Amar Singh Dahla had a smart plan. HE FIXED THE COMPUTER PROGRAM so that all the plots went to the powerful !! HA HA HA.

    Here is a list of some people who got the plots

    a) Justice Sabharwal ex CJ of supreme court who was to listen to the AMar SIngh tapes.

    b) Amar SIngh cohorts, his benamis and JayaPrada. Mulayam’s family– Shivpal singh etc

    c) All judges and SDM’s in important positions. And some MPs

    There was a huge outcry. Even the International Dahala and Vinod ji’s seedy friend thought it was prudent to cancel the draw!!

    MORAL of the story: Agar dahla raja banega toh CD se leke draw fake karega… aur
    ————————— Computer ko bhi fix karega

    HA HAHAHAH !!

    Nice to start the Vishwakarma day with a laugh which will take care of my Chivas and JOhny walker hangover….

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  • Anonymous

    @Vijay Khap brain kumar. I have serious doubt if you are from a reputed university or one of those cow belt ones. Amazing . If it is open auction , you dont need a computer, you dont need a programme. You need a container full of balls marked 1 to 10. now it will be given a spin and the five or six balls will drop one by one , depending on the number ascribed to applicants. Whichever number matches will get the plot.NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IS IT. That his MISTRESS and other worthies got it , is because of DISCRETIONARY POWERS.tHIS NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED ROOT AND BRANCH.
    Another thing Indians need to get rid of that is CYNICISM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SHan the vaginittis fungus

    As usual you have shot of without reading what I wrote.

    What Amar Singh did was to fix the the computerised draw.

    The allottees were all who were his handpicked cohorts and kickback givers. You can read more about it on the net. The computer draw was done in public. The key was pressed and … the allotment list which came out was shameful.

    I have serious doubts on your reading and comprehension skills. Maybe you need a re-test since you start shooting wildly without giving any thought to the topic.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay the genital WART , I had only pointed out the glaring stupidity of the exercise . I also gave an alternative which is tamper proof , I did not question the veracity of the process , merely pointed out your HELPLESSNESS in thinking that only a computerised draw is feasible or acceptable.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan & Vijay

    It would be great if you could engage in discussions without abusing each other or for that matter anyone else. Just my wish.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    an entirely new concept of abuses has been opened for us by their exchange. Amazing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    As a principle in life… and especially on a public forum, I have never abused first. But when a Nirodh CHoudhary with a certain type of WOG inferiority complex uses foul language…

    Well the Hindustani dog inside me barks back… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What was the need to use the term “Nirodh CHoudhary”?

    If the other side abuses you – just ignore it.

    This suggestion is equally applicable to the other side.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan of “LOOK EVERYONE BUTCH CASIDY LOVES ME” fame, u r upset that I exclude you and invite 3 doctors for wise opinion and exclude u. Look, shenoy and I disagree on Sonia but agree on many things. Dr Mishra and Pankaj disagreed on Hussain painting, Mishraji and Manohar disagree mostly but AGREEon Sonia illness.
    Hint, independence of opinion when backed by wisdom, reading and debating using passion and persuasion, is valuable. Dr shah alam is too congressi, maybe cos as minority, he is insecure, maybe BJP scares him, but he is wise polite and most imp, HE IS PATRIOT WHILE u are professional sneerer White arss licker of pathology severity.
    So sorry Dr Shan I like MOST here do not respect yr abusive shrill persona and did not invite you to Sonia debate Which IS STILL INCOMPLETE
    Shenoy saab I am coming for you. Hehe …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not enter UK at the back of a lorry , or at the pretext of attending fake marriage , or threw my passport at heathrow , then seeking political asylum in uk as being a khalistani I am tortured in India. Nor did I enroill myself in FAKE COLLEGES in Uk or sham marriage , NO I AM NOT LIKE YOUR SORT IN SOUTHALL, I passed PLAB exam which once was conducted amongst 150 Leeds Medical students , ONLY 2 passed. I am also a fellow of royal college of surgeons , which of 700000 sikhs in Uk probably a dozen or so can claim to be same.

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  • Anonymous

    Friends, here is a joke I am sure you all would enjoy:

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    R.K. laxman vintage cartoon has been sent by you. Good one.

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  • Anonymous

    DIGVIJAY has attacked Sri Ravi Shankar now…”

    As per MSN news Digvijay Singh has called Sri Ravi as being communal, RSS and the ‘C” plan of BJP.

    I have attended a few camps of Sri Ravi. Nothing very religious. A 1000 sitars were playing that day. A bit of Yoga and meditation.

    I think Digvijay is only digging the Congress’ grave by alienating everyone with his shouts of RSS RSS everywhere. Pretty shameful…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am fully convinced Digvijay is RSS agents..No one has gives this much publicity to RSS as Digvijay has.

    In fact I am finding more and more people praising RSS for backing up Anna and others.

    It is in the interest of Sonia to sack Diggi else he will dig her grave in 10 Janpath itself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She should have the dog house ready for him now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy and Rajeev

    I think this time Congress will burn out. Anna did not know English.

    Ramdev did not know English.

    Sri Sri ravi speaks English and the English press will get it back. The Times group initially backed Sri Sri.

    Probably they will end up finding Arnab against them. And that is abattle which will chop of the balance votes from them…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay, Rajeev,

    Ravi Shankar has said thta he would continue to fight corruption.
    I believe instructions have already gone from the high command to the state unit to dig for information on Sri Sri’s court cases on land grabbing.

    Now let us wait and see how they will finish off Sri Sri.

    Anonymous Reply:

    digvinashaaya vinasha kaale’ vipareeta buddhi

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    engrich Reply:

    yoga is a hindu art of deceiving.morning brisk walk is far better than yoga.sri sri runs his racket fro banglore is in hot demand now.hriday samrat of foreigners.for what i dont understand.rss want to use him for deflecting serious issue of hindu terrorism to corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    You seems to be a confused follower of LeT. You should do Yoga.

    Seeminlgy your brains have slid into the lower part of the body…

    In case you do Shirshasaana, maybe your brains will slide up from your bum into your head…

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    engrich Reply:

    You should do Yoga

    one of yoga guru is my tenant.he told me what i wrote.yoga is useless if not done from early age.morning brisk walk is king of all excersizes.u people have hinduised this art.european too have good excersizes.

    engrich Reply:

    digvijay is right,whole game is to shift attention from hindu terrorism to corrution.in 26/11 also brhmnst of IB were main play.they killed karkare to hide fact from next day press conference.chereography of 26/11 was written by these notorious brhmnst of IB.

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  • Anonymous

    Friends,

    on the happy occasion of Diwali, hewre is a ’sher’ on Vinodji:

    ‘O mere blogwale doston, suno, suno,
    Vinodji ka yah blog hai numero uno
    And on TV, he is as famous as Jay Leno
    aur unke dil mein hai ek hi naam, Sonia Maino

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @All blog mates
    Pl accept my greetings for this festive season

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How about some mithai

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  • AshishC

    Prahlad,
    following the money trail is one way. Also, land prices should not be arbitrarily fixed. Allocation rather than auction smacks of corruption.
    You will increasingly see most corruption will become “big-ticket”- will be at the “policy making level”. Which explains why our political class is so allergic to transparency in their decision making process.
    Their defence is that (and I heard Vinod Sharma on a TV panel arguing) that exposing government decision making to public scrutiny will paralyse governance. IMO, unless we bring in transparency to decision making AND expose the decision making process to public scrutiny, we will have these scams go on.
    Let’s take an example- let’s say the government wants to buy a billion dollars worth of military hardware. Now, the technical specs of all military hardware is in the public domain and there should be no problem in making the commercial bids open as well. If we worry about the national security angle (I chose Defence procurement as an example deliberately), let us in these cases chose to make these records public after 2 years rather than wait for 30 years.
    The truly honest have nothing to fear.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    “following the money trail is one way …”.

    In such cases, no money trail is left, bribes are strictly on cash basis. Not the way.

    I am with you on transparency in the functioning of the government. The RTI Act is a small step towards it. Much more needs to be done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar, Ashish, Prahalad,

    Cash too can be traced in terms of real estate holdings of brothers, sisters, in laws and assosciates.

    The CBI could do it in Balwa aned Kanimozhi case. This was actually thur the banks . But…

    The CBI only worls inder the centre’s direction or the supreme court danda.

    So would it not be wonderful incase there was a dispassionate body which swings into action whenver scandal happens?

    By the way, punishemnt to Kani mozhi would be a good way to punish the powerful. We should not get confuesd by idiots who say

    “forgive her becasue she is a woman.
    woh maa behen aur biwi hai…

    All this nonsense should be thrown out and some big names should spend wome years in jail…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bribes are strictly in cash – generally politicians and people are too clever. They would not leave any trace. Perhaps, Raja & Konimozhi were naive in this matter – on one hand they sold the licences and bribes routed to companies as loans/whatever. IMO, chunk of the bribe would also have been paid in cash – no trace.

    The court case may hinge on linking selling of the spectrum/licences with the loans given by the beneficiaries. The latter, strictly from legal point of view, is above board as Inter-Corporate Deposits and Loans. The prosecution will have to prove the link.

    In case of Raja arbitrarily changing the dates and informing only a select few to issue licences to them, one has to see whether he gets convicted or not. I only hope so, he does and spend some more years behind bars.

    Law is equal for all, whether one is a woman/mother/whatever – so no mercy be shown to Konimozhi or anyone else.

  • AshishC

    A Belated Bright and Happy Diwali !
    Interesting article by an IIM Bangalore Prof, provocative but passionately argued.

    Subject: Why the West is declining and Will Continue to Decline? By Prof. R
    Vaidyanathan

    Ten years ago, America had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it has no
    Jobs, no Hope and no Cash. Or so the joke goes.

    Only, it’s no joke. The line is pretty close to reality in the US. The less
    said about Europe the better. Both the US and Europe are in decline. I was
    asked by a business channel in 2008 about recovery in the US. I mentioned 40
    quarters and after that I was never invited for another discussion. Recently,
    another media person asked me the same question and I answered 80 quarters. He
    was shocked since he was told some “sprouts” of recovery had been seen in
    the American economy.

    It is important to recognise that the dominance of the West has been there
    only for last 200-and-odd years. According to Angus Maddison’s pioneering
    OECD study, India and China had nearly 50 percent of global GDP as late as the
    1820s. Hence India and China are not emerging or rising powers. They are
    retrieving their original position.

    The dollar is having a rollercoaster ride at present. Reuters

    In 1990, the share of the G-7 in world GDP (on a purchasing power parity
    basis) was 51 percent and that of emerging markets 36 percent. But in 2011,
    it is the reverse. So the dominant west is a myth.

    Similarly, the crisis. It is a US-Europe crisis and not a global one. The two
    wars – which were essentially European wars – were made out to be world
    wars with one English leader commenting that ‘we will fight the Germans to
    the last Indian’.

    In this economic scenario, countries like India are made to feel as if they
    are in a crisis. Since the West says there’s a crisis, we swallow it
    hook,line and sinker. But it isn’t so. At no point of time in the last 20
    years has foreign investment – direct and portfolio – exceeded 10 percent
    of our domestic investment. Our growth is due to our domestic savings which is
    again predominately household savings. Our housewives require awards for our
    growth not any western fund manager.

    The crisis faced by the West is primarily because it has forgotten a
    six-letter word called ‘saving’ which, again, is the result of forgetting
    another six letter word called “family”. The West has nationalised
    families over the last 60 years. Old age, ill health, single motherhood –
    everything is the responsibility of the state. When family is a “burden”
    and children an “encumbrance,” society goes for a toss. Household savings
    have been negative in the US for long. The total debt to GDP ratio is as high
    as 400 percent in many countries, including UK.

    Not only that, the West is facing a severe demographic crisis. The population
    of Europe during the First World War was nearly 25 percent and today it is
    around 11 percent and expected to become 3 percent in another 20 years. Europe
    will disappear from the world map unless migrants from Africa and Asia take
    it
    over. The demographic crisis impacts the West in other ways. Social security
    goes for a toss since people are living longer and not many from below
    contribute to their pensions through taxes. So the nationalisation of families
    becomes a burden on the state.

    European work culture has become worse with even our own Tata complaining
    about the work ethic of British managers. In France and Italy, the weekend
    starts on Friday morning itself. The population has become lazy and
    state-dependent. In the UK, the situation is worse with drunkenness becoming
    a
    common problem. Parents do not have control over children and the Chief Rabbi
    of the United Hebrew Congregation in London said: “There are all signs of
    arteriosclerosis of a culture and a civilisation grown old. Me has taken
    precedence over We and pleasure today over viability tomorrow.” (*The
    Times:
    * 8 September ).

    Married couples make up less than half (45 percent) of all households in the
    US, say recent data from the Census Bureau. Also there is a huge growth in
    unmarried couples and single parent families (mostly poor, black women).
    Society has become dysfunctional or disorganised in the West. The government
    is trying to be organised.

    In India, society is organised and government disorganised. Because of
    disorganised society in the West the state has to take care of families. The
    market crash is essentially due to the adoption of a model where there is
    consumption with borrowings and no savings. How long will Asian savings be
    able to sustain the western spending binge?

    According to a recent report in *The Wall Street Journal* (10 October 2011),
    nearly half of US households receive government benefits like food stamps,
    subsidised housing, cash welfare or Medicare or Medicaid (the federal-state
    health care programmes for the poor) or social security.

    The US is also a stock market economy where half the households are investors
    and they have been hit hard by bank and corporate failures. Even now less
    than
    5 percent of our household financial savings goes to the stock market. Same in
    China and Japan.

    Declining empires are dangerous. They will try to peddle their failed models
    to us and we will swallow it since colonial genes are very much present here.
    You will find more Indians heading global corporations since India is a very
    large market and one way to capture it is to make Indian sepoys work for it.
    A
    declining West is best for the rest and also for the West, which needs to
    rethink its failed models and rework its priorities. For the rest—like
    us—the fact that the West has failed will be accepted by us only after some
    western scholars tell us the same. Till then we will try to imitate them and
    create more dysfunctional families.

    We need to recognise that Big Government and Big Business are twin dangers for
    average citizens. India faces both and they are two asuras we need to guard
    against. The Leftists in the National Advisory Council want all families to be
    nationalised and governed by a Big State and reform marketers of the CII
    variety want Big Business to flourish under crony capitalism.

    Beware of the twin evils since both look upon India as a charity house or as a
    market and not as an ancient civilisation.

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    engrich Reply:

    ashish happy diwali.another good piece of writing.

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    AshishC Reply:

    EEEEKS… I did not write this, Prof Vaidyanathan of IIMB did.
    Happy Diwali, Engrich!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Something to think about.

    I am only wondering whether the West, as we know it, will really decline, I am not so sure. What do you think?

    I am also against big governments (mai-baap sarkar), as I have been articulating it from quite sometime.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    I was expecting at best a tepid reaction; but ah, well :)
    I think the west might decline – though it’s all relative.
    China will rise, in the next 10 years; hopefully the next 20 will be India’s.
    But, the flaw in the Prof’s writing is in that he gave too little importance to the factors that brought the west to where it is today. The rule of law, the institutions, the ecosystem for innovation, the social consciousness, the public spirit, freedom of thought and expression.
    Do we really know another route to greatness? Can we just get there on the strength of our “family values”? Perhaps no.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    The highs and lows are relative. If the country has intrinsic strengths and IMO the West and many others including India have these – democratic system is one such, then there is no reason to be worried or be doomsday prophets.

    Perhaps, during the depression, some or many must have written-off USA then. It was not to be, it bounced back.

    The professor I think has gone a bit overboard. Mankind has survived for ages in face of disasters one bigger than the other, so there is no reason if the present woes cannot be overcome.

    Who will dominate the next few decades, only time will tell? Perhaps there would be more equity – no single country or two or three would dominate the rest.

    Ravi Reply:

    COMING SOON

    *******
    The eagerly awaited film HOW THE WEST WAS LOST based on a novel written by Ashish.

    Screen play by the renowned script writer Vijay Kumar Khapodia

    Lyrics by: B.V. Shenoy

    The film – which is entirely shot in the “Ambiance Mall” chronicles the rise of India as the leading second wave dominant power. The highlight of the film will be a few high octane theatrical anti colonial dialogues, delivered in front of masses of audience each on of whom is wondering what the lecture is all about.

    Ashish – Happy Diwali to you and all.

    *******

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi, ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT
    the film should be renamed
    HOW TO TAKE OUT YOUR FRUSTRATION , WHEN YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT TO USA
    The subtitle, Agony of a east delhi citizen , whose MOST CLASSMATES SETTLED IN USA, leaving him high and dry
    Pertinent to note the breaking news in NDTV ,( which felt like announcing the death of PM) THAT UK WILLONLY ACCEPT 60 INDIAN BANKS STATEMENT WHEN APPLYING FOR VISA TO STUDY IN UK.
    A point by point rebuttal will be offered in coming hours to this DELUSION.
    looks like DIWALI WASN’T THAT HAPPY FOR AshishC.
    ITV just showed day before yesterday the state of earth when each will reach SEVEN BILLION POPULATION.
    And which country did it choose INDIA , particularly LUCKNOW
    LOOKED STRAIGHT OUT FROM A HORROR MOVIE , THE STATE OF UP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back Engrich behnoi

    Seems that the dole line was big this time… that you had to wait for 5 days :)

    Yeh kya zindagi hai
    Kaisi bebaasi hai…

    Goron ke tokdon par pal rahen ham
    ga_ _ d par laat khaa rahe hai hum….

    Ravi bhai, live with dignity and swabhimaan.. Look at fellow NRi’s Dr Mishra, Pankaj, Rajeev, Rajiiv. They acknowledge the good and bad parts of India and the west. They believe in dignity, They are not scared.

    I hope you improve this Dewali and give up your fetish of shouting

    Hindu- Hindutva HIndustan
    Main karoonga isko bednaam !

    Cheers for changing you !!

    Vijay

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Pretty funny!

    I hope Ravi keeps his cool and does not divert the whole blog onto himself and the imaginery battle with Hindus.

    Where are you based Vijay. I like your posts. Why dont you and some other bloggers make a compilation? Send me a copy , when you do !

    AshishC Reply:

    I did not write the essay; gosh, I just went and posted the same thing to Engrich!
    Vinod Sharma and Prof Vaidyanathan are old “buddies” – they often meet in TV studios.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very interesting!!

    Now would someone let me know if the above were going to be true in the near future, how is to going to effect the currencies of the western countries vis a vis Indian Rupee? Thanks.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ishwar,
    if I could predict currency futures with a success rate of more than 50%, you think I would be spending time here?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Excellent.
    Thanks

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Interesting article. I hope the West does NOT decline so fast. We need a democratic military power to hold the world at a sane level.

    Unfortunately China’s ascendency or that of the Mid East fuedal Islamic monarchs could unleash their versions of Taliban on India and the world.

    India does NOT have the balls to tackle the criminal state of Pakistan. In case the west declines and this arc from Saudia to Pakistan becomes a Islamic fanatic hotbed… this would be a permanent zone of unrest.

    Yes, the article is true in some parts. Many many western companies do not have the balls to stand up to genuine manufacturing giants of India and CHina.
    We should use this as an opportunity to forge partnerships with European and American companies.

    Funnily family owned companies– we love to decry them– may just come out trumps. I encounter so many English and Australian businessmen, whose children have no interest in their succesful businesses, that the whole enterprise collpses after some time. Strange. India mein Lala ka beta uski gaddi sabhal laeta hai…

    Its a funny world.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    Yes, India is really interesting- so many of the our businesses buck conventional wisdom.
    - they are conglomerates (salt to software with steel plants and cars in between)- they do NOT stick to the knitting.
    - they are family run- though of course, many of them run with professionals manning most important posts.

    When I was younger, there was a resistance to joining these companies: “Oh, you will never rise to the top!”- but, heck, how many of us will ever make CEO of ANY company anyway? And, how many of us would enjoy that experience?
    Geopolitics is another thing the Prof ignored; all these nice projections can go awry in case of any of the scenarios (Taliban/ China militarizing) that you have outlined.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “……… whose children have no interest in their successful businesses, that the whole enterprise collapses after some time”.

    Then perhaps they are not worth sustaining. Just because Dad was a shrewd and successful businessman is no guarantee that the children will be so or the children want to pursue their life their own way. Paris Hilton is a case in point.

    In fact, most family run businesses have to split up as the next generations cannot see eye to eye. Reliance (the pits), Birlas, Bajaj, etc.

    There is a long list of successful and huge companies/corporations around the world, where today there is no trace of the original founders/promoters. In India, the prime examples is L&T, ITC, Infosys (as of now the children of the original founders seem to be least interested in getting hold of the company – they may inherit the shares and become the largest shareholders). The Tata group is in a class of its own.

    World-wide there many and real global companies – the list too long.

    There is no such thing as one type is better than the other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Paris Hilton is a true example of ruin. Her grandad slogged to make the biggest and most succesful hotel chain.

    She wants to be a porn star.

    In a wat symtomatic of the decaying west…

    One day the Hilton chain would be purchaed by the Chinese or the Arabs and they would enoy her blue films…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aashish,

    Very good article. I always use to wonder how long can US survivice
    with their style of business.
    Buy from me and pay me for the goods by borrowing from me.
    This was bound to fail one day.

    By the way I have copied this and sent it by SMSs to many of my friends,

    “” Ten years ago, America had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it has no
    Jobs, no Hope and no Cash. “”

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    AshishC Reply:

    Buy from me and pay me for the goods by borrowing from me.
    This was bound to fail one day.

    I think you make a great point; I would not like to see this as an indictment of capitalism but what can go wrong if folks tend to look at success as an entitlement.
    Yeah, I have received the sms as well.. perhaps it originated from you; haha

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  • Anonymous

    PAY BACK TIME or AN ATTEMPT TO SHATTER THE DELUSION OF GRANDEUR
    As ever “the east delhi citizen” , renowned for SWEEPING STATEMEMENTS and grandelloquient words to parade his hubristic post never EVER comes up with hard data.
    I did some calculation. Current per capita GDP OR INCOME(both are similar may not be same) for UK is 33000 dollars , INDIA 1500 dollars(india ranks 137 BELOW SRILANKA)
    I am making GENEROUS assumption of india’s growth 9% per year(CURRENTLY IT IS 5%)
    I am also assumimg population stabilising by 2050 to 1.7 billion.
    By my calculation India will take another 50 yrs to reach 33000 dollars per capita income.
    NOW THE SPANNER IN THE WORKS
    I am presuming inflation at 5% per annum(CURRENTLY 11%) , IN 50 YRS THAT 33000DOLLAR WILL BE CURRENT 3300 DOLLARS WORTH.
    Now some myth busting exercise.
    In BOMBAYthe divorce rate is 40% IN SOME QUARTERS.(I had previously posted evidence from indian websites)
    Divorce is not a big deal in west. Despite divorce CHILDREN GROW UP NORMALLY.
    I had a WHITE doctor working under me , his parents were divorced , he was far more NORMAL AND CONTENDED than AshishC.
    I had a patient , an ex MP , he didn’t know who his parents were, grew up in orphanage
    (I know this fact from his medical notes)
    STEVE JOBS WAS GIVEN FOR ADOPTION BY AN UNMARRIED MOTHER
    INDIA WILL HAVE TO WAIT 200YRS TO PRODUCE A STEVE JOBS.
    western civilization is bereft of rank hypocrisy, UNLIKE INDIA.
    In bengalee there is a saying PETE KHIDEY MUKHE LAAZ, translated PET ME BHOOKH
    MUH ME LAAZ, given the chance every indian geezer will drop his pants .
    Monogamy is for FREAKS in west. THEY HAVE FREED THEIR WOMEN FOLKS.
    Now laziness in west. Holy Maccaroni , this coming from someone whose dad was CPM, the party who coined the line again in bengalee AASHI JAEE MAINAY PAI , KAJ KORLEY UPRI CHAI, translated Aatey Jaatey Tankha miley , Kam karne ke liye upri chahiyeh.
    I work in a hospital , suppose to start at 0900 hrs , we are there by 0745.
    In India in Govt office expecting anybody before1000hrs , is like expecting pakistan to convict haafiz sayeed.
    Didn’t the PLONKER follow the news at NDTV of 150

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Contd , 150 children dying of encephalitis in muzzafarabad in UP or the NDTV programme HUNGRY KYA , showing SKIN AND BONE people in KALAHANDI AND RURAL MAHARASHTRA

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  • Kumars1

    Kiran Bedi needs advice from Congi stooge Vinod Sharma like a hole in the head.

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar Ji

    Swabhimaan aur abhiman mein bahut farak hai.

    This post of mine mentioned no bad parts of India or of any other country.

    But what my expression lacked, you filled it with your imagination.

    How so very predictable and how so very boring.

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  • Anonymous

    VIJAY, hehe and again hehe, long time no hear such funny one liner on RAVI _ welcome back engerich behnoi. Ravi u will have to admit Vijay also put nice Punjabi tadka on you. hehe
    Now to business DR BIG DONKEY SHAN says divorce does not effect western children, feel like giving this Imbecile ?doctor one large slap. LIAR MISLEADER SHAN of cingulate gyruz asylum, it is UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED HERE IN WEST THAT DIVORCES ARE THE SINGLE MOST TRAUMATIC FACTOR IN THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF BRITONS, children and adults many who are scarred for life.

    Somebody take garbage talking Dr Shan off this blog, his moronic statements are bringing tone of blog down. IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A HUMAN TRAFFICKER CALLED SANDHU SPEAKS

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay khapodia(the name coined by Ravi)
    THAT FAMILY RUN BUSINESS has no guarantee will prosper under the next generation , is very reason the concept of CORPORATION , or INCORPORATED was made into law in USA.
    that is why steve jobs was thrown out despite having founded the company, that is why BILL GATES HAS NO SAY CURRENTLY IN DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF BUSINESS.
    THAT IS WHY IBM, COCA COLA , UNILEVER ARE STILL ROMPING AROUND, whereas all GEONKAS AND BIRLAS HAVE GONE DOWN THE PAN

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  • Anonymous

    @KABUTERBAJ SANDHU , this why VIVEKANANDA SAID IT IS BETTER TO HAVE DIVORCE THAN AN UNHAPPY MARRIAGE

    The hidden plight of Asian women
    By Naresh Puri
    BBC News

    An Asian victim of domestic violence
    Kulwant suffered violence at the hands of her husband

    The BBC’s Domestic Violence Day aims to raise awareness about abuse in the home. It is a problem that also affects Britain’s Asian community.

    Kulwant, aged 20, was starved and beaten by her husband. She hides her face because she fears for her safety.

    She regularly visits the offices of a women’s rights organisation – her support group and her only friends.

    Kulwant left India to join her British-born husband after an arranged marriage.

    “I was very excited about coming to England,” she said. “I thought I would have a great married life and he was from a good family. I was so happy.”

    Suicidal thoughts

    But within weeks of her arrival, Kulwant’s life changed. Her husband became violent, she was forced to sleep on the kitchen floor and the family refused to feed her.

    “I was never allowed to leave the house,” she said. “My husband had mistresses and he would take all my wages and leave me with nothing.

    “My husband hit me with a chair. He was violent. I wanted to commit suicide. I couldn’t go back to India because I would be an outcast.”

    A Sikh temple meeting to discuss domestic violence
    One Sikh community is taking steps to tackle abuse

    Married to an abuser

    Many British-born men go back to South Asia searching for a traditional wife.

    Many of the relationships are successful, but some are violent.

    Meena Patel, of the west London-based Southall Black Sisters, who provide help and support to black and Asian women, said: “When they go abroad they are looking for a wife that will be passive and submissive to their demands – someone who is not going to make too many demands on them and who is not too liberated.

    “When they bring them here they may subject them to domestic violence and use violence to control their lives.”

    Open discussions

    But some Asian communities are beginning to tackle the hidden issue of violence at home.

    At a Sikh temple in Hounslow, west London, community elders and members of the congregation meet women who work with the victims of domestic abuse to discuss the problem.

    “A lot of families collude and they deliberately keep it within the family network and won’t allow – whether it is your sister, your aunt or your sister-in-law – to go and get help,” one woman told the group.

    The main fear for victims is that if they walk out of abusive relationships, they could be forced to leave the country.

    Many women have to suffer in silence.

    The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247. The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247.

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  • engrich

    Manipulating Men

    In all the ages of man

    There are those who say ‘We can!’

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Make sure the shit hits the fan.

    In all the ages of war

    There are those who shout ‘No more!’

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Wade round in entrails and gore.

    Through all the ages we cry

    As we watch the innocents die,

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Tell lie after lie after lie.

    When all that is left is a grave

    And no more children to save,

    Then men of guile

    Will smile and smile

    And call our sacrifice ‘brave’.

    When all that’s left is a list

    Of ‘lost in battle – sorely missed’,

    Then with a smile

    Those men of guile

    Still make money hand over fist.

    But when we replace bloody war

    With peace from shore to shore,

    Then no more smiles

    For men of guile

    Because of something called Law.

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    engrich Reply:

    the above is presented to ashish,ravi and shan

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    AshishC Reply:

    even though I am very poor at poetry, this seemed good. I shared this on FB! Thanks

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  • Anonymous

    Indian style secularism in full display in Kashmir-

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmirs-mufti-azam-summons-Christian-priest-to-explain-alleged-conversions/articleshow/10518322.cms

    Kashmir’s ‘mufti azam’ summons Christian priest to explain alleged conversions

    SRINAGAR: Mufti Bashir-ud-din – J&K’s official ” mufti azam”, or head Muslim clergyman – issued fresh summons to a leading Christian priest, CM Khanna, on Friday, asking him to appear before his court to explain his activities of reported conversions of young local boys and girls at his church in Srinagar. Khanna said the mufti was annoyed with him because he had expressed his inability to help the mufti in the admission of a boy to a Christian missionary school.

    Talking to TOI, Mufti Azaam Bashir-ud-din said: “Our shariat court had summoned the Christian priest, CM Khanna, to appear personally today at 11am but he failed to appear. Now we have issued fresh summons to him for personal appearance on November 12.”

    A shariat court has existed in J&K since the early 1960s; Mufti Bashir-ud-din is the judge of the court and the appeal against this court lies in the civil court. Mufti Bashir said that the court was recognized by the state government because of the majority Muslim character of the state. The shariat court, however, has no enforcing agency like police to implement its judgments, he said

    Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”

    The mufti claimed to possess a video cassette purportedly showing Reverend Khanna urging young Kashmiri Muslims to embrace Christianity and asking them to take a dip in a pond inside the church near the cricket stadium in Srinagar.

    “I will take all necessary measures in exercise of the powers vested in me by Islamic shariat,” the mufti said when asked what course he would take if the priest failed to appear in his court.

    “It is a matter of grave concern that Christian missionaries active here should be running an organized and integrated campaign to convert young Kashmiri Muslims to Christianity,” he said.

    When contacted, CM Khanna said : “I am an officiating priest at the Srinagar church and Mufti Bashir-ud-din last fortnight asked me to help him in getting admission to some boy in a Christian school called Tyndale Biscoe school, but I told him that the school was not under my control and he had better approach the principal of the school. He was annoyed over the issue.”

    Khanna said that he had not received any summons and the allegations levelled against him were false and concocted. “I am at present out of state,” Khanna told TOI on the phone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the minorites commission headed by Vinod Sharma should look into this.

    But maybe it wont.

    Instead it would try to get the RSS hand into this…

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    engrich Reply:

    what is wrong in it.in many indian states conversion is banned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, these trolls should read the Anti-Conversions Acts, enacted by the BJP ruled states.

    Having said that what Mufti Bashir-ud-din is doing is illegal. He has no locus-standi and authority to summon anyone he likes. If he has problem, he should approach the courts of law.

  • Anonymous

    @ Rajiiv

    A very relevent posting. let us see what Vinodji has to say on this. I have a feeling he will keep quiet.

    Of course in the name of secularism…

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ KIRAN’S SEAT FOR DAUGHTER vs Gandhi parivar seat for children ~~~
    =============================================================

    Many of us at times, cannot see the big picture. maybe we are blinded by day to day events or have our vested intersts and career prospects tied to portray things in an incomplete way.

    SO when our dear Vinodji was good enough to point out how Kiran used a loophole to get her daughter admitted into medicine , could he not balance this with the TRUE… MAGNIFIED… 70MM SAGA OF THE NEHRU GANDHI PARIVAR CREATING LOOPHOLES, DAMAGING INSTITUTIONS, FALSIFYING EDUCATIONAL RECORDS…JUST TO GET THE NEXT GENERATION GRAB THE PM’s Seat…

    nehru got Indira in.

    Indira said she needed Sanjay for help, as if a nation of probably 600 million had a shortage of helping hands.

    After Sanjay’s demise she said, there is no alternative, but rajiv !!!

    And after rajiv… Rahul is being presented on a platter…

    All laws of democracy, reason, logic and decency are flouted and state machinery used….

    Wah wha WAH !!

    I ask for comments from

    a) Vinod Sharma — He wont comment as the Rajya Sabha seat is at stake

    b) manohar

    c) Dr Shah Alam — just comparing various alternatives. If Kiran was a clown.. what would you call this Gandhi, Nehru Saga– A Gemini circus?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Because you specifically asked for my comments, I am responding, otherwise I would have just ignored it.

    1) First let us correct the history, as you see it or has been told or just did not bother to cross check. Google, anyone?

    During Pandit Nehru’s tenure, Indira Gandhi held the post of the President of All India Youth Congress 1956 to 1960. That is all. After his death, Lal Bahadur Shastri became the Prime Minister and she was appointed Minister of Information and Broadcasting. After Shastri’s death, it was K Kamaraj, the Congress Party President them, who was instrumental in making her Prime Minster.

    So your statement – nehru got Indira in – should it be thrown in the waste paper basket? You tell me.

    2) I have already mentioned what I think of Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi – read my response to RajeevS earlier.

    Whether they are fit to be Prime Ministers or Ministers is not the point. They have occupied the post by due process – they got elected to the Parliament with the Congress Party getting a majority. It is for the Congress Party MPs to decide who the leader/PM will be anf we know the Congressmen are sycophants.

    If in future. the Congress Party gets a majority and they decide Rahul will be the Prime Minister, that is it. If you do not like it, make sure that the people of this country do not give Congress Party the majority ever again.

    The same process was followed when Atal Behari Vajpayee became the Prime Minister and the same process would be followed if Advani or Modi wish to become the Prime Minister. Are you going to have a problem with that then and will say “All laws of democracy, reason, logic and decency are flouted and state machinery used….”

    BTW, which laws of democracy, what logic, reason and decency has been flouted – would you care to be specific and explain in detail or are you expressing your frustration amd anger against your objects of hate? I await your answer.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    there are two ways of looking at the end of a family business.

    And I am talking about a small/medium enterprise… not the Birla/Tata level. When so much effort has been made… why let it sink?

    because of broken families in the developed world (so called), few children have links with parents. And after 50, the small business owner starts planning his retirement.

    the plus point being that children choose their own career.

    The minus being that there are fewer and fewer companies of small scale operating in these countries…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Those days are over, when lawyer’s children became lawyers, doctor’s children became doctors, etc. So also with small/medium enterprises. The children today have a mind of their own – if they feel they would like to carry on with Daddy’s business – no big deal. If not, then no big deal either.

    In West, most children move out of their parent’s home once past 18 years of age – probably starting with college/university – they are on their own. They may return later to take-over the family business, else it may be sold off to someone else or just shut shop. Whether it is a good thing or bad – it is their call on it -there is no evidence in support of either of them.

    For example, Bill Gates has already announced that his children will not get even a dollar from the billions he has earned – all will go to charity. They have to make a mark on their own and earn their livelihood. Gates junior later would rather prefer to say – I am, because of my own efforts – not say I am because of my father Gates senior.

    I do not know how you have reached the conclusion that there are fewer and fewer small scale companies in those countries. In all societies, there are always the corner shops/offices, neighbourhood shops/offices, etc. They may be first generation enterprises or nth generation one – does not matter.

    In India, among the well-do sections, there are perhaps similar trends. Otherwise, families tend to remain together on account of poverty and/or lack of opportunities (jobs/trades).

    As I said, one is not better than the other scenario.

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar’s whole post is based on less than 0 understanding of anything.

    Over 80% of SMEs in the U.K. (and the so called West) fail in the year they are started, hardly giving much of a chance for them being handed over to children.

    Those that are successful are usually dependant upon a single large company customer, such as Car Manufacturers or Super Markets etc. Most SMEs are in retailing (read corner shops, kebab shops, resteraunts, etc)

    Significantly, less than 1% of SMEs ever become incorporated and are then launched on the stock market.

    The above is little more than an expression of deeply held prejudices against the west.

    The author would have benefited more from chewing gum as a past-time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay kumar’s knowledge is zero because he loves the zero.

    Remember Manoj Kumar in Purab aur Paschim singing

    “Jab zero diya mere bharat ne
    Duniya ko tab ginatee aayee… ”

    That could be me.

    Look Ravi, I have some knowledge of engineering export from India, because I am a consultant to an export company. I interact with EU and Australian clients at trade fairs and meetings.

    Unfortunately I have seen more and more UK and EU business clients closing shop or selling out because

    1) There is no-one to take things further… in terms of children

    2) Chinese have set up shop directly.

    3) Enough is enough. I have worked hard for the last thirty years… I want my golf and beer.

    4) The big guys control everything now. no space for us in the market.

    I was basing my assesment on my experiences there and my travels abroad.

    You can disagree. I would stick by my assesment.

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  • Anonymous

    Well spoken.

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi, I once tried to take out a patent on a contraceptive device.during that period i was negotiating with schering if they take up my idea.I found out these big big companies are like big fish. Small companies will innovate and grow up a certain point and in any case these giant fish are there to swallow it. This is how many many small business operate in UK. Remember that company Miss Attitude founded by a sardarji , it used to sell trinckets , the sardar sold it off to some big chain at a good price.
    Guys in delhi LIVE IN A WORLD OF THEIR OWN , DELUSIONAL , SEVERLY COMPLEX RIDDEN.
    INDIA FIRST NEEDS TO MAKE TRANSITION OF ITS AGRICULTURE FROM STONE AGE TO MODERN AGE

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  • Dr Mishra

    CORRECTIONS / AGREEMENTS””””””””””””””””

    1. Manohar, you sound a lil naive when you say that Bill Gates kids will not get a dollar from him. Ten years ago a trust fund was set and millions put in it- various relatives like grand parents involved.
    That does not take away his huge donations to charity.

    2. Vijay is spot on, most small Indian businesses are passed onto kids, unless of course they have become bankers , doctors etc. And yes, because of 45% divorce rates, many white men who are owners of such small companies will retire early, find a young dolly bird to share their wealth with and the kids can go hang.

    3. Bang on Balwinder, divorce destroys families. In 40% of cases where divorce involves kids below 7 years age, THE FATHERS HAVE LOST ALL CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS over time. I have seen dozens of distraught friends living alone

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Rajeev mentioned an article reg shariat court in Kashmir . I want a comment by VINOD SHARMA on – why cannot article 370 be repealed by Parliament.

    waiting for your reply VINOD ji

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    engrich Reply:

    mishra jee i awnser ,few more states have same provisions , but rss people dont speak about them because they are not muslim majority states.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Anti White Propaganda being spread by a lay preacher

    T H E – R E A L I T Y – 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Sixth consecutive year the divorce rate has dropped.

    ____________________________________________________________

    UPDATE: the ONS had omitted the divorces per 1,000 population – that data is now included

    Divorce rates are down – as shown by new statistics out this week show that the number of couples who get divorced is dropping.

    The report, published by the Office for National Statistics, show the number of divorces in England and Wales in 2009 – the latest year published – was 113,949, a 6.4% decrease since 2008 when there were 121,708, and the lowest since 1974.

    It’s the sixth consecutive year that the number of divorces has fallen, from a peak of 153,065 in 2003.

    This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Other key findings are:

    • Compared with 2008, divorce rates fell across all age groups for both men and women, while for the fifth year running those in their late 20s had the highest divorce rates

    • In that age group, there were 21.7 men and 25.1 women divorcing per 1,000 married males and females

    • The average age at divorce increased slightly for men and women in 2009 – 44 for men in 2009 compared with 43.9 in 2008, and 41.5 for women compared with 41.4 in 2008

    • Across the UK, the number of divorces fell by 7% to 126,496 in 2009, down from 135,994 in 2008

    Interesting to compare these to the marriage statistics too – but we won’t get the full stats from the ONS until March or April. But they have told us that the divorce rate fell in 2009 to 10.5 divorcing people per thousand married population from 11.2 in 2008.

    The data is below – check out the attached spreadsheet for loads more, including details about children and causes. Can you visualise it for us?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Divorce rate drops are also linked to

    a) people not marrying … but living together…

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    Ravi Reply:

    I guess this is one more issue about which you know precious little.

    Tax breaks encourage people to marry. Co-habitation is on the decline in comparison to marriage.

    I suggest you stick to Manoj Kumar Songs. They are full of swabhiman.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    To me UK was at one point a country of my heroes. For me the country of newton, Hookes (of hookes laws) — which I still use , Shakespeare and BBC.

    But having spent a little time there… I was of course charmed by the energy of London, but also dismayed by the turn Society had taken. the broken family worked well as long as royalty was supreme. That somewhere a check on social norms was on. But today… well it is all about individuals.

    Here are a few examples of what intrigued me.

    A client (white) in newcastle proudly told me that his sister lives two rows away but he had not met her for twenty years. “too much hassle… just bump into her at the supermarket once every few years…’

    Another close friend , a dentist from new Zealand now settled in London– had three children at the age of thirty– all from different fathers– and she did not even know where the fathers were now…

    Well one way it was a comic situation for me. But behind the gloss, it did make me uneasy….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Citing stray examples, one cannot generalize the state of affairs. There would equal or more number of positive situations.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I would be the last person to give stray examples. Today too I have a lunch meeting with british docs. I love their sense of humour. Even admie thier thought clarity on the project my partners work on– a combo of biophysics and engineering.

    But somehow feel that their social setup is not doing a bit of good.

    Example: My seventy plus parents who live at my house, would be at the lunch table.

    I can bet my last rupee that though I have dined with the same British docs in Essex, I have never been called to their house. And to put it a bit rudely,,, in many a case(not this one) the parents are not in touch or at a old age home.

    Well, the white anglo saxons were given an assignment to rule the world by queen victoria. But after that mission is over… the society does not set meaningful goals for individuals.

    If you are healthy, sexy and rich… God is with you.

    Not so much otherwise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra

    1) I may sound naive, but you are certainly one.

    Just one link, if you care to read it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027878/Bill-Gates-pledges-58-billion-fortune-charity–children.html

    2) If the small businesses are passed or not passed onto the children, what is the big deal?

    3) Which law says that an elderly white man is not entitled to find a young dolly bird to share his wealth? If one does that, what is your problem? It his life, his money and his dolly. What is wrong with it? Does that not happen in India and other countries?

    4) Yes, broken families is a problem in many societies, including India, but it cannot be connected to inheritance or non-inheritance of small businesses and trades. Having said that – what about millions of children found begging on the streets in many countries, including India. Then what about so many children (and adults) who do not know where their next meal is going to come from? Do they come from broken families?

    Your linking small businesses being passed onto their children with broken families is suspect to say the least.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    You may have a long wait for a response.

    Dr Mishra does not discuss, he preaches.

    Shoots and scoots.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Or there may not be a response at all. ;-)

  • Anonymous

    =============================================================
    ~~ TIME FOR A SMILE~~~before i crash into bed ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    The downside of the sexual revolution
    Only copulation… and no population….

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  • Anonymous

    Few other examples of Jinnahism practiced by muslims and Islamic party Congress-

    Muslims issue ultimatum to Congress on quota
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslims-issue-ultimatum-to-Congress-on-quota/articleshow/10473862.cms

    Cong to focus on Muslim areas ahead of UP polls
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cong-to-focus-on-Muslim-areas-ahead-of-UP-polls/articleshow/10467842.cms

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  • Anonymous

    RAVI, U MADE TERRIBLE MISTAKE. The figure of 10 divorces per thousand ppl was from 1977. The actual number of divorces is down but that is because the average number of marriages is down. Silly boy
    But the percentage of families breaking up as vijay and mishra doc say, is over 40 percent because millions cohabit and break up. Half of white kids in UK are ilegtimate. Silly silly boy, ravi, u sure you live in Uk

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I guess you have not read the article.

    I urge that you do.

    Here is the link…..http://www.guardian.co.uk/news…

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  • Dr Mishra

    Balwinder and Vijay are right- family breakups are an epidemic in UK and US

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5056489/Nearly-half-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock-official-figures-show.html

    Living in sin is quite common, and here breakups are more common than in married couples. To say that the absolute numbers of divorces are down is to have completely missed the point.

    Ravi this is the article youhave quoted – http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

    I cut and paste – ‘ This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people ‘

    I think you owe Balwinder an apology. I echo his amazement – do you really live in UK. Every second white person I know here comes from a broken home.

    In the UK riots of 2011- nearly all were black or white- no Indians, chinese or Jews- and more than half of rioters had previous records and most came from broken families- Boris Johnson, Lord M Desai and David Cameron have already written on that

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    This is from Balwinder’s post

    The figure of 10 divorces per thousand ppl was from 1977.

    The operative word here is FROM 1977. My understanding is that he is suggesting the figures belong to the year 1977. This is clear from the fact that he is stating that to contradict me.

    Whilst this is from the article I posted.

    This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Now by your own boast, you are not only a medical Doctor, but you also have a P.Hd.

    What sense does the sentence I quote convey.

    I suggest that you focus on the words rate and since and think of velocity of decline.

    Meaning that divorce rates has been declining for the last 7 years and that the RATE of decline was 6.4% in 2009 (the last year for which data is available) and that this rate was lowest since 1977. Meaning that the decline was steeper prior to 1977.

    You are little more than a propagandist.

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  • Dr Mishra

    @ mMANOHAR

    I amtired so quick reply only

    1. The article you have quoted is wrong. The trust fund for Gates’s sprogs was set up 10 years ago with twenty million per child- relatives including grandparents as trustees. Somehow, here in the west in recession, I cannot quite see the gates kids on the dole or taking loans haha.
    And I DO NOT GRUDGE THEM THAT- even their ‘invisible’ security costs millions – they ARE PRIME TARGETS FOR ABDUCTION.

    Sorry when I called you lil naive, it was in an affectionate way, not insulting.
    Ravi- repeat- when I discuss anything with Manohar man to man, then please do not – like a jenana -throw barbs from behind a veil- I will answer Manohar when I have the time

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    This is a public blog and your predilection of shooting and scooting is well known.

    I can quote.

    Why did you feel you could interfere between me and Balwinder but I am not able to do the same between you and Manohar.

    I do not hear any objections from Manohar.

    Furthermore, your snide comment to me is concealed in a message addressed to Manohar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh! I see. The newspaper is wrong (well it may be), would you care to point a link about US$ 20 million for their children? I will stand corrected.

    Gates was one example, there could many more. On the other hand, there would be equal number or more where the bulk of the estate is left to the children. So no big deal.

    I think you have missed out the gist of my response – one cannot draw conclusions between inheritance of small businesses and broken families.

    Your homily to Ravi is totally uncalled for. This is an open blog and you (not being the owner) cannot set the rules of engagement. Also have look at some of your fellow travellers – who barge in with totally inane, irrelevant and idiotic interventions, and barbs (I have no problem as I ignore them) – you seem to have no problem with that.

    In fact, more the varied views on a topic so much the better. If you do not like some views/posts, just ignore them.

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  • Anonymous

    Hehe as ishwar says this blog hs come alive. I am laughing so much I will fall off. Again Rravi why u behave like zenana saying catty stuff from behind chilman.
    hehe today both vijay and mishraji have skewered u like kebab.
    Listen puttar, when manohar and punditji cross swords, stay out.
    But when u, vijay and I discuss divorce rates in UK then others can join debate with facts.

    GET THE DIFERENCE, no, never mind, I am still chukling at zenani insult

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I am glad that you are titillated by the jibe.

    Since you make no attempt to discuss the point about – From 1977, I assume that you concede it.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    Some jiyales have come back from vacation. No problem. I know, you can handle them.

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  • Anonymous

    This geezer Mishra and his sidekick balwinder has as much merit in their posting , as
    hafeez sayed has concern for india.Hungary has HIGHEST divorce rate nearly 50%, till recently not even a western country , ITALY pretty low rate of divorce , yet the LAND OF MAFIOSO AND INSTITUTIONALISED CORRUPTION.Germany divorce rate is similar to UK , YET THE POWERHOUSE OF EUROPE.
    LOT OF DIVORCE IN WESTERN COUNTRIES TAKE PLACE WHEN THE CHILDREN ARE GROWN UP .There are innumerable example of VERY HIGHLY SUCCESFUL people from divorced families.
    NOW SOMETHING FROM INDIA , TO MAKE PANDIT WITHDRAW HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS AND RUN
    % Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

    By Sam George
    Published 02/21/2008

    Sam George

    Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International – a non-profit initiative to address the needs of youth and families of Asian Indian origin in North America and to the Asian Indian community worldwide. Parivar means family in many Indian languages. Sam George also serves as one of the founding directors of Urban India Ministries

    Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

    Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Dr Mishra is not interested in scholarly studies, he bases his attitudes on anecdotal evidence. Since three of his 4 friends are divorced, then the divorce rate in the UK is 75%. Who are you and I to argue.

    I see no point presenting him with FACTS, for he has no capacity to recognise them.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Ravi attacks Vijay- ‘ Tax breaks encourage people to marry. Co-habitation is on the decline in comparison to marriage ‘

    Complete rubbish, with what I see around me- whether nurses, porters or doctors- MORE COHABIT THAN MARRY.

    http://www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/Blog/2011/03/Lower-divorce-rate-but-still-too-high/

    …………Well, one simple contributing factor could well be that the marriage rate is falling too! While I don’t believe this to be the only reason, it is fact that if there are fewer marriages there will be fewer divorces. ………..There is also the issue that though fewer people may be marrying, leading to fewer divorces, that means there are more couples living together and so need of advice on things like living together agreements. Related to this…..

    SO VIJAY YOU WERE SPOT ON, rarely have I known you to be wrong

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    It may be funny to you make fun of my patriotism. From My eyes, if you find other societies so perfect… why are’nt you at their blogsites?

    And as far as patriotism goes, you of course can sing
    “pakistan ka matlab kya…” :)

    And feel like Manoj Kumar….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    If the high tide mark of your patriotism is a Manoj Kumar song, then I am sorry, it is funny.

    I suggest that you improve your English and see if you are able to draw the subtle distinction between JINGOISM and PATRIOTISM.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I know the difference well enough.

    However I wish you would check out the meaning of “cronyism”, “anti-nationalism,” “pro-wahabbism” “anti-Hinduism…”

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you believe that I practice all of them.

    Care to quote me.

    Or is this a shoot and scoot.

    You are pathetic and a sore looser.

  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Mishra

    Thx. My comment was really not of making a mockery of British society today. but more of despair that riots and looting should happen in a society which was once a role model.

    I think it is very easy to say that the rich will get their dolls. But on the flipside the older women do remain… single and lonely.

    Well in my view… the traditional overbearing attitude of Indian style parenting needed to change.

    But the complete lack of parenting too is no ideal…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    Just for your information.

    Poor People Rioting in the UK goes back centuries, it is not a new phenomenon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    So you think the London riots were part of the great British traditions like football, Shakespeare, beer at the pub, Sunday sermon at church ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is for you to decide.

    Just filling in the gaps in your knowledge.

    Riots are a part of urban societies all over the world.

    What is objectionable is your linking of recent Riots in the UK to Broken Family issue. You are an engineer and not a social scientist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, Dr. Mishra, Balwinderji,

    Why take this moral high ground. ” We are better because of less divorce rate, they abandon their childeren more than we do, their intake of
    drugs and alchohal is more than us etc. ” Why cant we just say that
    we are different . Their morals and our morals are probably different.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan,
    that’s pretty much the way I look at it as well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish and MOhan

    I would never moralise. Just giving my observations…

    It is a highly competitive world. First the japanese, then the Koreans and now the Chinese are taking over the manufacturing industry and the financial systems. My point was that highly unstable families will hardly produce progenies who are going to fight out the world markets.

    Happiness too cannot be really related to the number of partners,,, you have had.

    The chase of sexual adventure was at one point the sole subject of books, magazines, films and internet. But at the end of the day, in case sexual adventure is leading ot falling populations and uncared for children… maybe it is not the right ideal.

    Just a question of looking at the world in a different manner.

    AshishC Reply:

    the older women do remain… single and lonely
    What? Do we hear that our Vijay no longer is of an age that he falls for older women?
    That explains it.
    (Sorry, Vijay. Sometimes the devil in me takes over!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Well I am not going to say… what I do… when the devil inside me takes over !

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    about your yesterday’s post on Kiran Bedi’s getting a medical seat for her daughter from the north-east quota, let me remind Vinod Sharma that Priyanka Gandhi too joined Jesus And Mary College under the college’s sports quota, even though Priyanka had not so much as come anywhere near a play ground in her life till then.

    And Nehru gave complete reins of his office to Indira Gandhi long before he himself became paralysed. Those days there was no PMO, and the office was run as a private enterprise.

    The presidentship of the party too went to her not by any election but by Nehru’s nomination. Just as she later appointed Sanjay Gandhi as her assistant, Nehru too chose Indira Gandhi as his assistant. He also took her with him on all his official visits abroad and within India too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy and Manohar

    Shenoy you are right. Priyanka getting a college seat on sports quota is as bad as Mani AIyar claiming that he is a writer as good as R K Narayan and getting the Rajya Sabha seat.

    Manohar, Shenoy is right. Nehru had got Indira into politcs after her breakup with Feroze Gandy. K A Abbas’s book on Indira– the return of the red rose, specifically says that first she came into help “papu” and then slowly gained experience to independently take decisons. While Nehru, with his knowledge of history probably did not believe in dynastic succession, he did aid her ascent including the YOuth Congress bit.

    And of course, Indira remembered this lesson well and made Sanjay the president of the Youth Congress.

    Rest of the history is well known to all of us. It is for you to intrepret whther her giving Sanjay and then Rajiv the launch pad is as fair as Atal Bihari Vajpayee, fighting for 50 years in the opposition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    1) Of course, for you, a “guru” will always be right, no doubt about it. Be my guest.

    2) Were any rules and laws broken, when the launch pads were laid out?

    3) When no rules and laws were broken, you take recourse to Fairness and Unfairness of it all. It was bad luck that Vajpayee had to wait for 50 years in opposition. And it was double bad luck that during his tenure the RSS/Modi orchestrated Gujarat 2002 and the rest of the nation said enough is enough. What about Advani? Poor man, he has been waiting for close to 60 years now – that too must be very unfair. Right? What else is unfair in Indian politics?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I don’t think you should take it personally. I always try to be dispassionate. C’mon… are you suggesting that Atal’s ascension was as easay as Rajiv being chosen by Indiraji?

    Or Rahul being chosen as the heir by Soniaji?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh!, I never take such things personally.

    Vijay, one could say it is a matter of ‘Kismat apni apni’.

    What happens in the Congress Party is because of the sycophants and they probably give two hoots for logic, reason and decency (your words) – what you and me can do anyhting about it – nothing. Whether it is fair or good or ugly or evil or whatever, it does not seem to matter to the voters of this country – it keeps returning to power, in spite of all its faults, bad governance, etc., because whenever others were given a chance – they 1) did not last long enough and/or 2) messed it all up – Janta Party 1977, VP Singh 1989, NDA 1998/99, etc. A question of choosing lesser of the multiple evils.

    In spite of all the scams and inertia in the present dispensation – chances are that they will still come back to power in 2014, because the only challenger, the BJP, is busy scoring self goals one after the other.

    The end of this government was predicted when Mukherjee – Chidambaram spat was in full swing. and the current prediction is that by taking on Kiran Bedi the death knell of this government has been sounded. Fool’s paradise, anyone?

    You could say it could be the TINA factor. I wish there was a creditable alternative to the Congress, but alas, where is it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    You are right that the vipaksh did make a mess of opportunity right till 1999. However I would rate the NDA government of Atal as being far superior to the present and most of the earlier Congress governments.

    Non Congress parties like TDP and Nitish as well as the BJP have ruled well in states.

    I personally dont have nythign against the Congress. but we need at least two credible paritea so that a single party does not take things for granted. or try to fool all of us that that a dynasty is the only option India has…

    Anonymous Reply:

    “However I would rate the NDA government of Atal as being far superior to the present and most of the earlier Congress governments”.

    That is your opinion and I have no issue with it.

    Then ask yourself, why did NDA lose in 2004 (*) and then with further reduced margin in 2009?

    * If you wish me to tell you specifically, let me know – I will spell it out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In my view… the fake sting of Tehelka and mismanagement of jayalalitha and Karuns.

    But let me know ur opinion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    this “self proclaimed outstanding debater”, when he can’t counter you on your nailing the duplicity of the Anna-is-a-clown brigade, has to resort to Modi bashing!

    This congressie foot soldier conveniently forgets what Rajiv Gandhi, after getting “nominated” to the PM’s post as dynastical ascension to the throne. On the very first day of his disastrous rule of India, orders the massacre of 4000 innocent men, women and even children belonging to the Sikh community!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even Rahul got admission in St. Stephen in Sports Quota. He was described as ace shooter…

    Cooruption is way of life in India..The only problem is people tend to notice others’ corruption.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ace shooter- one who shoots his mouth off

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    But, he puts something back too, his foot.

    AshishC Reply:

    yes, again, I miss the smileys!

  • Anonymous

    Rajeev, Vinoo,

    “Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”"

    I believe the shariah law is applicable only on Muslims. It is not clear under what clause of the sharia the mufti has “summoned” the reverend Khanna.

    It is also not clear why the reverend has not told the mufti go buffalo grazing. From his response, it looks like he is scared of facing the mufti.

    But, it is very clear that when the Muslims are in majority, a different set of laws become operational about which NHRC or NCM can do little, to protect the rights of the minorities.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    I quoted to you NSO stats, and you presented the rants of 3 Tory politicians.

    Vijay is absolutely wrong and you would know that, if you READ what I posted.

    BUT you do not read.

    The stats clearly states per 1000 married people, that means, that divorce rates quoted do not include in them people who are living together, but are not married.

    Divorce is a legal dissolution of a marriage and does not count separation of couples living together.

    It is sad to see you squirm.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    It is self evident that you have little to no grasp of Statistics.

    Divorce rate quoted was a PERCENTAGE, and not an absolute number. It is true that fewer marriages will result in fewer divorces, but by itself that will leave the RATE of DIVORCE un-affected.

    Vijay is wrong, in fact he is hardly ever correct.

    Law firms are impacted by the absolute numbers of divorces, for obvious reasons – proportions are better indicators of trend.

    The trend for the last seven years is that the rate of divorce is coming down.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi, u hv very bad habit. When caught with blooper, u twist n turn n dive n duck, YOU CONFUSE WITH VERBOSITY AND BARRAGE OF POSTS.
    Now read
    1. More ppl live together than marry
    2. Family breaks, either divorce or otherwise, are over 40 percent
    3. This breakup trend is not declining.
    Now go to mirror and say
    1. Vijay is right
    2. Vijay is nice man, not jingoistic
    and now stop crying

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    ..most like sweet boy vijay

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    haha copying your style praaji

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    Ravi Reply:

    Do I hear the sound of shehnai

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is not worthy of any serious response.

    Unsurprisingly you missed the point.

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  • Anonymous

    Hehe Mishraji u may be MBBS but I am PHd in jokes. But you are learning, “”"”vijay is sweetboy”"”, I like that.
    Now listen Ravi bhai, u have been skewered like sheesh kebab by vijayand two others in lst 24 hours, pl pray that your old nemesis MR SHENOY does not come and deliver coup of grace
    zenana hehe I am still laughing. Take in spirit puttar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are pure and simple CABBAGE

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  • Anonymous

    Reactions from the people who have seen Ra-One.

    Crocin, Disprin, Combiflam, Adol, Panadol and all headaches tablets stock
    is over after RA-One release.

    Rahul Gandhi to meet people affected after seeing RA-One.

    Vijay this for you. All bachelors must see Ra-One to understand what pain means
    to married man.

    Get Ra one under Lokpal and punish everyone who made this movie.

    Salman to SRK ‘ Mujh par ek ehsaan karna, dubara aisi movie mat banana “

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    As usual… you made me :)

    so in the end RA-one pleases No-one…

    Well I hopr the RA-V1 on this blog site does somethign positive to please someone…

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    This will get the SMUG B pandit mishra and his sidekick, the dim , sandhu , withdraw their tail between their leg and run
    40% Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

    By Sam George
    Published 02/21/2008

    Sam George

    Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International

    Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

    Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.
    http://www.southasianconnection.com/…/40-Divorce-Rate-In-Mumbai-Indi...

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  • Anonymous

    Well RA One is made with 2Gscam money of Shahid Balwa,
    As they say CHORI KA MAAL kabhi huzum nahi hota

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Kalyug hai bhai mere,
    ab chori ka maal hazam ho jata hai.

    I am sure producers of the movie will make or have already made profit
    on this venture.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! ~~EINSTEIN had joined RSS !!~~ EINSTEIN was RSS !!~~
    ==============================================================
    —————- as per RA- V1 ~~~~~ !!

    According to a certain RA-V1 who lives by cliches, believes in invoking RSS RSS at every corner, all persons with walrus moustaches are RSS members.

    Influenced by such a bombastic theory of relativity linking moustaches to Hindutva, Amul Baby and Digvinash Singh– the DOn quixote and Sancho Panza — set up a core committee of the Congress to hunt for such people all over the world so that the CBI, ED, IT and most of all Tajendar and Engrich could be sent there for attack.

    This core committee, headed by one RA- V1 finally concluded that Albert Einstein, with his famous drooping moustaches of an old walrus was the most famous and popular RSS member.

    Last heard of Digvinash Singh, Amul baby are hunting where Einstein lives and Engrich and Tajendar along with RA-V1 are on racing along their horses…. !!

    Happy hunting RA-V1 !!!!

    HA AHHAHAHA !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Coming from a man who:

    1. Is able to draw a direct relationship between Riots and Broken Homes.

    2. If you don’t like Manoj Kumar songs, then you are a Wahabi

    3. Indian society is a model of perfection, no criticism is needed.

    4. Can see 8% growth but none of the poverty

    5. Whose travel between Noida and Gurgaon is nothing less than a cliche.

    This is a gem

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Thx! I knew you would appreciate this!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Each cliche you ooze, you reveal that much more of your pathetic self.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I bow to your superior wisdom. Wherever and whenever you meet uncle Albert Einstein– on earth or in heaven, please take his autograph on my behalf !

    And congratulate him for keeping his RSS affiliations so secret that only you and Engrich could trace them out !

    Anonymous Reply:

    As an admirer of walrus Einstein I am donning his walrus… here goes!

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Really funny ! I noticed that Ravi was sniping at you in each of his posting. You have really answered him well… without getting vulgar.

    That is wha good debating and good fun all about…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    Thanks Sanjay!! Just needed a kick up to deflate a cliched, pompous stuck in the groove record.

    I think in the interest of good debating humour sends in the message faster than light…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Really, really great, honestly.

    Now for helping the party trace the link between Einstein and RSS and for services rendered, Digvinash might recommend to Amul Baby to soften the party’s stand on all Islamic fundoos some of whom are freely roaming here on the blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    2 Shenoy

    I hope the COngrss does not send up a high level core committee under RA-V1 to examine whther The RSS was behind the gadaffi ki gusthakhi, and Saddam ka kalyan…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy Sahab and VIjay

    Einstein is indeed an intriguing figure.

    As a CA, we always talk about what others do… auditing accounts of other people and so on.

    but Einstrein was a genius. Can we compare steve jobs with him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha, ha, ha.

    good one, Vijay Kumar. You Sci-fi is getting better and better and getting the better of gate-crashers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Sir, your comments are truly inspiring. As I am told– by MOhan– that RA-1 is going to flop. I am now tempted to approach Sharukh with the storyline of RA-V1

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    engrich Reply:

    vijay rss is biggest centre of sodomy in india einstein being jew could be homosexual ur member.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Are u hunting for Einstein along with RA-V1? (ravi) . Double whammy… RSS bhi aur Jew bhi…

    Wah bhai wah… ab toh jannat pakki… ;)

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    you said, “The downside of the sexual revolution
    Only copulation… and no population…”

    too much of copulation leads to revulsion
    less propulsion leads to expulsion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    A real deep meaning !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Nice one .

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan rangaswamy, good point. WESTERN BROKEN FAMILIES, why we comment.
    Puttar let me explain. Indian culture was mercilessly caicultered and dissected for decades here in UK. Why cant be do same in reverse ? Politely?
    Although to be honest, last 15 years, Brits grudgingly admitted that Indians have srable, families, kids do excellently at Univ and we buggers makr lotsa money.
    They see our eomen doing karva chauth pooja….which reminds me, oye wifey, how come you dont pooja me every year? Wheres your mehendi, woman ?
    see bloggers how tough Sikhs are

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bloody woman, is throwing belun again. Tell you, maybe like white man I should get nice sexy Thai takeaway

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Good that you ducked the belun!

    My girlfirend has got good aim. Even if I look sideways… i get a killer look from her…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji/Vijay,

    You both are lucky. The belan which my wife uses is made of steel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    You have your views and I have mine. Thats the beauty of this blog that every one
    has a different view on all the subjects which are discussed here, thats why
    everybody likes to visit this blog. What will be the fun if all will have similar views.

    SUCCESFUL MARRIAGE IS NOT THE MEETING OF SIMILAR MINDS
    BUT IT IS THE MEETING OF UNLIKE MINDS WHO LEARN TO ENJOY
    THEIR DIFFERENCES.

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    engrich Reply:

    WESTERN BROKEN FAMILIES

    they`are victim of zoinists thought.they are replacing lust with love.giving freedom to children an wife.weakening the control of husband and father on them.so that they can be used for homosexuality and lesbenism.feminism was promoted by rockfeller to break family get children available for indoctrination.people say u have to be gay to survive in some industries.homosexuality is price worth paying to remain in corridor of power.the promotion of homosexuality is one strand of larger long term plan to destroy family it is one satanic aspect of some supermacist talmudic jews to remove harmony value of love friendship ships and healthy relationships.and replace them with them with fragmentation ,distrust and perversity.
    pornography is run by zoinist jews again to undermine classical family values and destroy the innocence of love and relationship and devalue men attitude towards women by objectifying them.
    homosexuals have proved themselves to be susceptible to alternaive view on sexuality and so are promoted.

    the break up of family unit is just is just larger extension of the divide and conquer methodology which most of us donot perceive.which is why it is so succesfull.
    i questioned a zoinist that homosexuality can be at the root so many of our ills and about its presence in highest corridor of power.he awnsered that homosexual part is just oa component ,equally important is pedophilia,bribes ,blackmail,promise of power.

    if u have weaknesses u are allowed in corridor of power because u acn be controlled .

    strauss kahns little friend had sex with him dozens of time before,but when it was needed her real role came to foe.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    People interested in anti corruption movement will find this article interesting. friends, if you have time have a dekko.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Very good article. Tks for the link.

    UPA is digging its own grave by going after the members of Anna team.
    Most of people have understood their game.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mohan. Yes, both articles give a different perspective and support the anti corruption drive.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/who-are-the-real-cronies/867007/0

    For serious bloggers only. Friends, who are interested to understand cronies

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  • Anonymous

    Just wondering..Is the topic of divorce relevant to topic on hand i.e. corruption?

    I don’t take statistics as absolute proof. Your own personal experience should form your opinion.

    How many of you have relative/close friends/co-workers who are divorced or separated? What was the number just few years back?

    We Indians should come out of this mindset that our culture is SUPREME…No it is not..It is basically Kichdi culture where most of the middle class people are wannabe..They either want to be seen as Brits/American in brown skin or Arab..No one seems to be interested in India identity.

    I know many desis who pretend to enjoy Christmas and feel uncomfortable celebrating Indian festivals…

    Indian patriotism is all phony..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    As usual you will call spade a spade.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I try.. Thanks :)

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bloggers;
    In the context of Maruti shifting to Gujrat, Modi’s win versus Haryana’s haar.
    So government in Haryana did not intervene early? why the situation was allowed to deteriorate to such an extent. Was Huda not supposed to govern? Haryana has nothing except proximity to Delhi and only lately, some IT activity. Haryana’s only world class industry was made to flee? Why? What were the issues?? To my knowledge, issue was that of discipline, management was not ready to tolerate threats and intimidation of workers. Who lost ultimately, workers and public at large, which had one important avenue of employment next door. But government with an eye on workers’ vote in election, did not act. There is monetary corruption and then there is corruption for votes, which was best exemplified by V.P. Singh. This is practiced by every party but obviously some parties are specialists here.

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    engrich Reply:

    fruits of development in gujrat are not reaching to needy.it is circulating within a certain section of society.poverty is increasing.that way mayawati has done better.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich/ Tajinder;
    What grudge you have against Jews/ Hindus/ Christians?
    You say, Muslims are best. OK, You are muslim, Dalit Muslim, as I gather it. Try to rise above being Muslim, it is only a religion which says something good and something bad. It is time to think like a human. I can engage with you, if you come out of your straitjacket. Can discuss everything under Sun ranging from Muslim belief, hindu Belief or Christian belieif, as a lay person. I am not some theologist. I can say things just like a lay person but your prejudice against Hindus, jews or christian leave no scope for discussion. You always site short comings, no solutions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    You are wasting your time and energy.

    engrich Reply:

    mr pankaj i dont have grudge against anybody.i am only against hindu muslim and christian zoinists.as they are curse to society.last time i wrote how zoinism is destroying family in europe and america.now in india divorce has become common.
    their entire usuary based financial and social system is inhuman and need change.
    solution can be found through discussions.u have seen the end of ghaddafi,when he tried changes.now parasitic european american firms are ordered to go libya and dig gold.it is golden time.nato finishing their operation on howleen day.
    40000 sorties on civilian population killed 200000 people apart from destruction of almost all schools hospitals brought no reaction from our civil society.
    ur only sympathy was for salman taseer.
    u challange my points.i never speak lie to win discussion.regarding beliefs,islam judaism and christianity have almost common beliefs.islam being last of these three religion is reformed form of remaining.name of jesus(peace be upon him)is mentioned in holy quran more than 100 times.

    i am not against hindu beliefs,i amy disagree with them but i respect them.i am against rss.as it is gang of voilent homosexuals exploiting hindus to achieve their worldly aims.like wahabism and christian zoinism.

  • Anonymous

    @Engrich, I swear by almighty, the cases of husband abandoning their wife and children is rife amongst sikhs and pakistani punjabis . HOW MANY PATIENT I HAVE SEEN , helpless women , either drunkard husband , or physical abuse or mother in law torture.THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW MURDERS ALL PUNJABI , EITHER SIKH OR PAKISTANI. people living in glass houses should not throw stones at others.
    As for that bundar balwinder, HE HAS TAKEN BRITISH CITIZENSHIP, but being a gaddar (like beant singh trait) is always criticising the Brits.
    The Filth that I see amongst the sikhs here is undescribable.
    ISLAMIC SOCIETIES ARE THE VILEST SOCIETY EVERYWHERE,

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    engrich Reply:

    ISLAMIC SOCIETIES ARE THE VILEST SOCIETY EVERYWHERE

    u cannot generalize this in bihar and up i never saw any muslim leaving his wife.actually bigamy is more rampant among hindus.women in muslim society are well protected.every system has some shortcoming.as per datas bengladesh ladies are ahead in every field to the ladies of wb.

    i would like ur comment on broken families i wrote here under..zoinists ne europe aur america kee ladies ko nanga kar diya.
    regarding punjabis.this is the only race whose dying statement is not accepted in court.this is the judgement of english judge of lahore high court.
    actually they came first in contact with britishers,so they have aquired their habits.

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  • Anonymous

    @pankaj#1, The things that multinationals do and get away with it is only possible in india.Reflect on your home country. How many times workers have sued JAPANESE , cos like mitsubishi and Honda , on frivolous issues , mostly trumped up charges of sexual harrasment and all sorts of BS. Dont think the **** dared to move away from USA.This is the difference between third world and first world.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    with a lot of trepidation, i am answering you. frankly speaking, i could not understand your point. seriously. I am in Industry and on managerial level, where I manage certain numbers of people. we go out of our way to keep our employees happy. Apart from government control, legal redressals and host of other avenues available for workers to fight injustice, insubordination, willful damage to the organization and becoming parasite , feasting on it are not tolerated even here. so there are enough check and balances. Please be more specific, whether you are agreeing with me, On what points? or you are disagreeing with me, On what points? Civil Shan is always welcome to interact.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @pankaj#1, shan is civil to civilized , one thing shan cannot stand is SMUGNESS and POSEURS.
    Now coming to your point.US laws are stringent AND UNION IS MASSIVELY POWERFUL.But US companies treat their employees like a crown prince. The benefits are too generous.
    In case of India REFLECT ON TATA, this b as tard ran roughshod on shin and bone destitute farmers in singur.
    regarding maruti , they were using lot of CASUAL LABOUR , which i am not sure would be allowed in USA.
    ALSO ALL THE TALK OF MODI THE BUTCHER , HOW ABOUT ALL THE INDIAN BUSINESS HOUSES MAKING BEE LINE IN GUJRAT
    AMBANI LOOKING FORWARD TO NARENDRABHAI AS PM

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    Sorry, I am still confused. You may or may not like to interact with an imbecile, but I still do not get your point. If you are speaking about TATA as a *******, where I go from here? I do not know of any company who treats its employees better. I have some Bengal connection, so, please do not treat me in total disdain. I know about Bengal, its literature, its sociology and general set up. Let us not go there. We are talking things in global perspective. Your last three lines, leave me more confused than ever. Money does not respect any ideology, it just respect PROFIT. Capital is the most coward entity on face of Earth. I am not saying Capitalist. It is CAPITAL.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    for some of the super debaters here, Tata is a *******, Anna Hazare is a clown, Kiran Bedi is nautanki, Modi is a butcher, Rajiv Gandhi is a saint, Sonia Gandhi is a goddess.

  • Anonymous

    Sharmaji,
    Your IT folks have almost assuredly wasted this blog. Visiting the blog after several days I am unable to get head and tail of the discussions happening around here. Last I knew they were using Wordpress blog engine. What happened since then ? Why Disqus suddenly ? Wordpress blog engine has good history features . So what went wrong ?
    Here is a suggestion – get one of them , somebody good enough to participate in the discussions . Let the person post a few comments (political affiliations don’t matter) , which are good enough that those comments will elicit reponses.Subsequently the person will understand the pain we blog commentators have been going through.
    BTW, that person could be you as well. So why is your feedback not yet weilding enough lathi ?
    - Mahesh.
    p.s. : Belated Deepavali wishes to everybody .
    p.p.s. for Balwinder Sandhu : No wonder your acronym is BS.
    p.p.p.s for Engrich : You see a zionist conspiracy in weakening of family structure in west. Wonderful. And weakening of “husband” ? Huh ? Boss, tussi great ho. You are fit to be a sanghi. A perfect Sanghi, aspiring for the male dominance of family. Too bad your thoughts are not well articulated that they would earn “Wah Wahs” from the “brothers in arms”. Somebody here commented on the “jenana” attitude when commenting on other bloggers. Your post is equivalent. Too bad they have been really un-fortunate that they never ever had wives / girlfriends / sisters / daughters and other related women folk who were strong enough to kick the “proverbial butts”.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    my understanding is that HTblogs still run on the Wordpress.org platform.
    Disqus is a plugin that they have added to help moderate the comments.
    As is often the case, the tail is wagging the dog here, because the plugin is insisting on a certain way of lay-out, registering before commenting and so on.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Pankaj, thank you lovely article you have quoted-
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    The government and its sympathisers have taken on the role of Jesus, telling us lesser mortals that “let him who has not sinned cast the first stone”: until then, shut the hell up, as we continue with our rape of the nation.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Pankaj I quote another para from that article you quoted-
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    The IT department claims Arvind Kejriwal owes the government Rs 9.2 lakh because he took study leave for a year, and signed a bond that he would not quit for another three years, which he did not honour. By the way, for those three years, he wasn’t networking at taxpayer expense over fine wine at Davos. He was fighting for the RTI from Sunder Nagri, a slum resettlement in Delhi.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mishraji;
    It is good to rise above petty loyality to party and some fixed ideas. Human society is evolving, so is Indian society. Let all of us strive for the best of, first, Indians and then, humanity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    a slightly nuanced interpretation of the service rules: Kejriwal completed his study leave period of two years and came back to his post and joined duty. He then went on LOP (leave on loss of pay) for three years, which was granted. According to his interpretation, with which many experts agree, he had not resigned from service during the absence. Please note that his department had recommended that the amount need not be recovered from him, as per his request, since he had complied with the bond terms as applicable to study leave.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Thanks for the article that tries to bring about a co-relation between Occupy Wall Street and Anna Hazare movement (assuredly a blanket term – feeling too lazy to be more definitive).
    I will assume that both you and I know the history of “finance meltdown” that has manifested (notice the operative word here is “manifested” and not to be confused with “happened”) in early 2008. The Occupy Wall Street movement (abbreviated OWS henceforth in this post) has been propelled on the basis of latent sentiment for retribution against investment bankers by those who have lost it in the financial crisis. The comparisons with Anna Hazare movement stop precisely at this point. Those who have been screweed by the system here hardly ever found representation in the Anna Hazare movement. The comparisons get even more stark when one compares ideologues. For instance, try looking up the book authored (Titled – 5000 years of debt ) by the OWS ideologue – David Graeber. Even a pre-cursory dekko at the book will reveal enough about the depth of understanding the OWS folks have about the current Socio-Economic situation. Sad to say this, but the Hazare movement has lacked this depth.
    Another aspect – if you ever get a chance , try being around the OWS folks and see how the decision making process is . For instance, the US nurses union extended their support to OWS (I guess in Ohio). OWS folks, went about their own de-centralised discussion debating and re-debating while arriving at the consensus in accepting the support. Contrast that with the Hazare movement.
    One last anecdotal observation that I feel to re-echo here. In one of his past NYT columns Paul Krugman extended his support to OWS folks. The comments in the comments section particularly reflect the mood. One comment – by a lady from Boston – specifically pointed the OWS movement’s co-relation with Egyptian revolt.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    It is good to hear from you. we all were missing you. These discussions are mental tonics for us. Son is leaving for European tour in one hour time, I have to push him to get ready. I would come back after dropping him and then, would like to post my answer.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I will try to answer you, but there is too much of economics here and exalted theories. As I have been saying, I am a lay person, trying to live decently and raising my family. An upper middle class person with no pretensions, having seen stark poverty and some opulence. These OWS folks are not very dominant in my city. They look confused themselves. Not taking sides. Yes, it hurts, when banks did some thing wrong, lost trillions and average investors lost their life time savings, but executives, still receiving millions as bonus. Shame on them. In my city, it is very tepid response to OWS movement. Theories apart, I am looking for solutins, answers.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Mahesh, I visit my son who is a Cambridge medical graduate and is at present training in London . Political animal and junkie that I am, I headed out earlier and met the occu wall street folk at St Pauls cathedral.

    You seem to have a romantic notion about the protestors from that distance. Many I met there were what are called in UK as ‘professional protestors’. Some of them took pride in saying that they had been involved in the Univ protests, anti G8 protests etc.

    There was an intellectual emptimess in their rhetoric or slogans. When I thought of their protests all over- I thought- the capitalist system ( which does need reform) is what provides these buggers with the dole and benefits which enables them to caary out these long protests.

    door key dhol suhaavne, mujhe to apney Anna protestors zyaada achhe lagtey hain

    my 2 cents

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh,happy diwali that just gone. First your favourite topic NEUROSCIENCE.i was flicking through Prof RamaChandran’s latest book THE TELLTALE BRAIN
    Well the bit on language ,I am not convinced .it is a fascinating topic.How language devoloped.Noam Chomski’s theory it came from no where. Prof says the sounds reflect the object as perceived by brain .As you there are several “primitive” tribes all over the world , who are essentially hunter gatherer , yet they do have a language .
    Yet jaro tribe of Andamans to my knowledge dont have any language.
    then again animals do communicate with other , birds in a flock do , dolphins do with sound frequencies.YOUR OPINION WILL BE EAGAERLY AWAITED.

    next is OWS.In Uk they are camping in front of St paul’s cathedral.There is not a great deal of popular support.I guess UK just came out of a riot.Also UK is massively dependent on Financial Services.When they make money , ITS GOOD NEWS FOR TREASURY WHICH GET ALL THE TAXES. Like any investment , if the risk is less , the return is less. Also this business of banker’s bonuses. The problem is it is linked to performance , so if they are delivering , they will pick the takings
    In case of USA it was rank corruption. This HENK POULSEN in Bush cabinet was ex Goldman sachs , and also this subprime malaki and bernie maddox , THESE ARE SIMPLE CORRUPTION, in UK it was not corruption but the GAMBLING WENT HAYWIRE Yours Sincerely Shan

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  • Pankaj#1

    Shan;
    Just now came across the news that Azim Premji is about to start two free schools in every district in India. What is your reaction?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s great…That is what we want not more temples or mosques.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I have read it. It is a great news. Wish there were more like him. We should all we can in some way or the other.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Folks;
    Just read Masood Hassan at The News, a Pakistani paper. Apart from good command over English, this guy is amazing. Would like to have him as my neighbour.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Now’ having read Masood Hassan fully, I will treat him better than many Indians. Masood Hassan is a Pakistani.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    Reading Pakistani Newspapers and pakistanis gloat over the fact that their geographic location is such that they can block India. What kind of moron we have as neighbors? would like to use term GPL, which was quite popular in my student days.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bhaiyon;
    Last four posts are from me alone, Bakiyon ko kya Saanp Soongh gaya??
    Good night, see you or read you tomorrow.

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  • Anonymous

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    you said, in response to Dr.Pankaj, “shan is civil to civilized , one thing shan cannot stand is SMUGNESS and POSEURS.”

    Most readers of your long, rambling, disjointed posts here for the last several months know that you too are guilty of the same smugness and poseuring. Besides, you have a very foul mouth, which you use liberally and uncontrollably to abuse all who question your smugness and poseuring.

    Hereunder, I have given two dictionary definitions of the word poseur, which describe your Nirad Babu culture like nothing else does:

    1. poseur:One who affects a particular attribute, attitude, or identity to impress or influence others.

    2. poseur: a person who copies the dress, speech, and/or mannerisms of a group or subculture, generally for attaining acceptability within the group or for popularity among various other groups, etc……..

    From the above, our fellow bloggers can make out that bYOU ARE THE POSEUR HERE, literally.

    Coming to your charge against Maruti of employing “casual labour”.

    You have exposed yourself with your ignorance of the ground realaities in Indian industry and business today.

    It is not casual labour, but contract labour which Maruti and lakhs of other big and small establishments employ within or outside their premises to get what their own employees cannot give or wouldn’t give at lower cost to the employer.

    This is one of the few “rights” managements all over the country have squeazed out of labour unions in the last two-three decades in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are ones who have taken british citizenship before you can count ten , yet all the time finding faults with the country WHICH FEEDS THEM AND WILL PROBABLY COMMIT SUICIDE IF KICKED OUT OF THAT COUNTRY.there are ones who immerse their soul, themselves in FIRANGI MAGAZINES (economist,) who liquer JOHNY WALKER , and probably FOREIGN PORN , yet all the time speaking about moral degradation of west.
    THESE ARE POSEURS

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    engrich Reply:

    About 30 gay-rights supporters gathered outside a Tim Hortons restaurant here Thursday to order up an apology after the doughnut shop kicked out a lesbian couple for kissing.

    “I feel very lucky to have this much support with people coming from all over the place,” said Patricia Pattenden, 23, one of the two women ejected from the local Tim Hortons property three weeks ago after kissing outside the store. “It’s really great.”

    Pattenden’s girlfriend, Riley Duckworth, 25, said the rally helped spread the word not just about their situation but about gay rights in general

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  • Anonymous

    Since blog has gone silent for some time here is another one on Ra one.

    Ra one was shown on a flying aeroplane and still people walked out .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    you are a very good repository of good jokes. thanks.

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  • Ravi

    F1 – Indian Grand Prix and Poverty

    Once again, India is in the news.

    Over the years, how India is viewed in the News has changed. But not very much.

    Yesterday’s news covering the preparation in advance of this morning’s race, was balanced with a steady cam stroll through congested old Delhi, where all those interviewed seemed not aware of the event taking place. It kind of put this race into context. Its appeal is restricted to just a small section of the mall thronging population, many of whom have become interested in motor racing only because it is taking place in India

    Elsewhere the news covered a report from the camp of workers who worked very hard on building the circuit, but are yet to receive payment for their work. The suggestion was that this track is built by the unpaid dirt poor people of India. This kind of publicity is totally avoidable, and highlights how the rich and powerful never shy away from exploting the poor.

    I am as excited and as proud, as any one else to see a world event taking place in India, but just wish that when we are celebrating such events that the poor workers have been given their due.

    This morning’s Breakfast News on the BBC, focused on the story of a 7 year old girl who works on the rubbish tip, to eek out a meagre income of Rs. 35 (50p) a day. When asked what her ambitions are, she said she wishes to be a policeman and would like to put into prison all those who drink and gamble, including her own father.

    I wish there was a way, I could help her DIRECTLY, not because I am against other 7 year olds in the same predicament, just that she connected with me, either by luck or by divine design. Who cares?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blimey , This is a NEW RAVI AVATAR, so balanced , so rational no martha nassbaum et al.
    This is nothing unique the CRASS INDIFFERENCE TOWARDS THE WORKERS.same tv footage was seen during commonwealth games , child labourer installing chairs and as if to rub it in wearing TATTY BANIYANS.
    Then the “east delhi citizen” was blaring out yesterday HOW WEST IS DYING AND INDIA WILL LORD OVER THE WEST.
    THE BOTTOM LINE IS CASTE SYSTEM, which is an OXYMORON so far compassion for fellow human beings are concerned.FOR THERE ARE NO FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS only higher middle , lower and untouchable caste.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “This morning’s Breakfast News on the BBC, focused on the story of a 7 year old girl who works on the rubbish tip, to eek out a meagre income of Rs. 35 (50p) a day. When asked what her ambitions are, she said she wishes to be a policeman and would like to put into prison all those who drink and gamble, including her own father”.

    If this does not bring tears to one’s eyes, nothing else will.

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  • Anonymous

    without comment:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2169191743481&set=a.2062241869801.114477.1057325634&type=1&ref=nf

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow. This time you excelled your self.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Fantastic!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. Mind blowing.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    In response to my question
    “Then ask yourself, why did NDA lose in 2004 (*) and then with further reduced margin in 2009?”

    you wrote
    “In my view… the fake sting of Tehelka and mismanagement of jayalalitha and Karuns.

    But let me know ur opinion. ”

    Now either you are “playing” innocent or in denial. We will talk about it some other time.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    I am innocent ! Let us hear ur theory…

    How does 50,000 rupees compare to 17600000000000000000000000 rupees

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    OK, you have chosen to act innocent, so here goes. The principal reason is Gujarat 2002 (even Vajpayee admited as such then) – as they say the BJP won Gujarat, but lost India.

    That the fact there were scams and scandals during the NDA was ignored by the voters – one may try and justify them (as you seem to suggest) by saying they were “chhoTaa” scams. Small or big – a scam is a scam. Period

    We can go on and on and keep discussing what the actual presumptive loss was. However, let us wait for the PAC headed by the BJP’s Murli Manohar Joshi to examine the details and they have called both Mr. Vinod Rai, the CAG and Mr. R. P. Singh, who did the audit, to explain.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2525398.ece

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    It does make us feel bad becasue the Congress uses all tricks to defeat the Jan Lokpal which could have redistribued the 176000000000 crores.

    Only when corruption represented by the congress goes, we will have faster redistribution of wealth…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    I have this strange feeling that BJP is in the pocket of congress..How else one can justify the total stupid activities of BJP…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great to have you back, Gopi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 to have you back Gopi !! We all missed the meaningful analysis and the quotes from the scriptures…

    Yes you are right. The BJP is not handling it right. 2014 could well be a cake walk. But in case it becomes a fractitious unit, people will start comparing it to the Congress. I think they should

    a) Straight away announce that Jaitley is their PM in waiting. I know you would be against Advani. I too would not want him as PM… as he is too old.

    Your vote would be for Modi. I feel MOdi can become a figure which would drive away Naidu and Nitish who would be required. Jaya would back him… and so would probably Mayawati.. now there is is something about unmarried people looking at each other !!

    But…

    The Congress would go ballastic. Right from Engrich and RA-V1 on this blog to Digvinash and Manish Tewari doing a salsa and a rock-n-roll, MOdi could unite the finished Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    1) What makes you think that Naidu would be willing to rejoin the NDA? He, like most other allies, walked off primarily because of 2002. We also know that the continuance Nitish Kumar in the NDA is subject to Modi being confined to Gujarat. As he keeps saying – kal kisne dekhaa hai.

    2) I think you do not know Mayawati and Jayalalitha – they will never play second fiddle to anyone. They will shift to Delhi only if they get to be the Prime Minister, nothing less will do, not even the Deputy Prime Ministership. If they lend outside support from their states, it will be a very very “expensive” deal for the party at the centre.

    Mayawati dreams of her party the BSP getting a majority at the cente on its own.

    3) It is strange that you should back Mr. Jaitely, because like Dr. Manmohan Singh, he is a Rajya Sabha MP and from Gujarat (and not Delhi). IIRC, you and your fellow travellers have problem with Dr, Singh getting elected from Assam and that too to the Rajya Sabha. Don’t you have problem Mr. Jaitely having similar credentials? I do not have a problem with either of them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are right.

    these six people would count for a lot in the next elections:

    Jayalalitha, Mayawati, Mamta – all unmarried.

    Modi- a bachelor

    Nitish Kumar- a widower.

    Navin Patnaik-a bachelor

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Nice to see you back.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the “strange feeling” that you are experiencing is the withdrawal symptoms from being away from Vinodji’s blog for long. It has nothing to do with the BJP’s acitivities, which in your present state, seem stupid to you.

    Now that you are back, I hope you will make up for lost time by speaking on Kiran Bedi and her “shananigans” as Vinodji has described them, and leave the BJP to their stupid ways.

    We are eager to hear your views on the subject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kaunsi duniya mein rahte ho?

    1) JanLokpal able to recover and redistribute 1.76 lac crore (US$ 40 billion). I am not sure now whether you are really gullible or just putting up an act.

    I did not “know” that the corruption could be categorized (Congress, BJP, BSP, SP, etc.) and then say this corruption is evil, that one is bad, next one is tolerable and the one by BJP is justifiable (immoral, but not illegal, courtesy Nitin Gadkari*). “Waah, Vijay, kyaa baat hai, maan gaye, ustaad”.

    * He recently said that the BJP has a zero tolerance for corruption. He “forgot” to say that this intolerance is via-a-vis other parties and individuals, but not to the BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    All corruption is bad. But a Rs 50,000 corruption is definately definately less evil than the 40,000 crore mega corruption.

    As CA’s, we always sideline minor transgressions with a audit remark. But mega frauds deserve CVC enquires and jail.

    Manohar, I admire your debating skills and like your posts. But I think you are tripping here. Your heart may be with the Congress– and it is your right to be — but somehow, covering the mega scams now, by saying, “woh bhi chor hai’ will not stick as the quatum of chori is absolutely dispropotional.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo

    I think you are not understanding the gist of the points I keep making. What puts me off is the double standards and doublespeak. To modify your adage, it is “sirf wohi chor hai”. What I say is “sab chor hain”.

    Comparison of severity of sins/crimes – the punishment is always proportionate, so no discussion here.

    Minor or major transgressions, who draws the line?

    My heart is not with the Congress (I wish you would scroll through the posts and read what I have to say about the Congress and the Nehru-Gandhi family). My concern is with the quality (or the lack of it) of governance. For example, I would love to have Nitish Kumar as the Prime Minister. Would you or any of your fellow travellers?

    I am glad you appreciate my debating skills – thank you.

  • Anonymous

    The GRAND SUCCESS OF FI RACING AND WHAT DOES IT TEACH
    1.That Indians if they put their mind and soul and focus like a laser beam , THERE ISN’T A CHALLENGE THEY CANNOT OVERCOME.
    2.Mani Aiyar is a COD ECONOMIST a rank hypocrite whose daughter is well settled in usa.I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THIS ENTERPRISE (F1)
    JUST FOR ONE REASON , 600 CRORE IT BROUGHT TO EXCHEQUER.
    3.All the transgressions by Mayavati Govt in granting all sorts of concessions WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.india is a functioning democracy.supreme Court is hearing a petition and asked the organisers to set aside all the taxes due in a separate account
    till the case is discharged.
    INDIANS SO ENAMOURED ABOUT WEST (METALLICA MANIA OR FIASCO)
    WHY THEY DO NOT IMMITATE WESTERN PRACTICES OF TREATING WORKERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT , Like hard hats on construction sites , no child labour etc,proper uniform .
    @Manohar , If the plight of that girl brought you tears , then there are enough example in uk THAT WILL MAKE YOU DROWN IN YOUR TEARS.
    ONLY DIFFERENCE IS UK HAS SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT GIRL WONT HAVE TO SCAVENGE IN UK , WILL BE GIVEN FOR ADOPTION WITH STATE PAYING THE FAMILY EVERY MONTH FOR LOOKING AFTER THE GIRL.

    ADOPTION IS UNKNOWN IN INDIA
    PANDIT MISHRA AND THE BRAMHINICAL SCUMS STIPULATED THAT IF YOU TOUCH A DALIT , YOU WILL BE REBORN AS AN INSECT IN NEXT LIFE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “If the plight of that girl brought you tears , then there are enough example in uk THAT WILL MAKE YOU DROWN IN YOUR TEARS”.

    No need to go far. There are more than enough such heart-break stories here in India.

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  • engrich

    Magic of the heart

    Speak from your heart and you will speak the truth.
    Feel with your heart and you will know which way to go.

    Look from your heart and you will see the truth.
    Listen with your heart and you will understand.

    Live from your heart and you will live in peace.
    Love from your heart and you will love forever

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  • Dr Mishra

    ASHISH’S LINK, F1 RACING, PREMJI’s schools”””””””””
    Ashish’s link to the article comparing economies never quite the discussion it deserved, as it kind of degenerated into the India bashers on one side and the overenthusiasitic Indian optimists on the other.

    Then suddenly two news items appeared here- my take on all 3-

    - F1 racing sets pulses racing and there will be economic benefits- trickle sideways economics- A MISHRA NEOLOGISM perhaps- but the news of the schools has warmed my heart so much that, out there on the golf course with temp of 8 degrees, the glow remained and I boasted to all in the club

    - sorry folks, comparing wetsern economies and us, they have had a headstart on us – we started the race not like them on the white line, – we were actually outside the stadium, maybe even outside the city- so I say humbly- THEY ARE ABOUT 100 -125 YEARS AHEAD OF US.
    this assessment, from India’s biggest swaabhimaani

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  • AshishC

    A reason to be proud of.. can’t stop smiling since I read this today morning
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Monk-of-Ramkrishna-Mission-wins-Indias-highest-math-award/articleshow/10548410.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Great news. Thanks for the link.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    An interesting piece of news. By being a monk and eater of non-veg and also a smoker at the same time, he has emphasised that there is more to being a swami than mere saffron clothes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Exactly my thoughts and you have put it in a very nice way.

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  • AshishC

    And, this is for Vijay, supports the points he makes often comparing Gurgaon and Noida..
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/Maya-Jaypee-show-Delhi-Gurgaon-how-to-get-it-right/articleshow/10547203.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish.

    Thx for the link. The model which Digvijay and Rahul want us to pursue– the Gurgaon model– cannot compare one bit to planned state development , Greater Noida style.

    Vadra has great stakes with DLF. And DLF and other builders acquire land fromt he farmer CHEAPER than what the greater NOida authority does.

    Unfortunately ALL private builders do NOT keep enough green areas… nor do they invest in wide roads and infrastructure as it means loss of commercial revenue.

    Sad that the dunces want to inflict a failed development model on all of India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mayawati should be the next PM of India

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OMG. then we will have 100000 plus Mayawati’s statues (with the mandatory handbag) all over the country and in all the Indian embassies around the world, according to her Kanshi Ram’s wished it to be so. ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ WHAT THE F1 SUCCESS MEANS FOR TEAM INDIA ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Despite being at the F1 rally , I refrained from commenting about it yesterday. I was a little unsure whether it was right that India should hold an event which afterall is a celeberation of wealth, speed and opulance.

    Today after talking to a few people in Greater Noida, I am very sure that it was a success and the right thing to do. The locals are happy and why should I not be. Why?

    a) This was an area which was desperately poor 20 years back and had zero electricity and development. But today it boasts of some of the best infrastructure in India. All because fo the vision of an IAS officer called Brijesh Kumar and the Kalyan SIngh and later the Rajnath SIngh government which gave him a free unhindered hand. The credit today may go just go to Mayawati by default. But then, the BJP is never known to put its best foot forward.

    b) The F1 rally will drive in more industrial and institutional investment in the area. The planning is immaculate. Suddenly, Bulandshahar an area best know for crime and kidnapping once– and fights between gujjars, now has a different set of aspirational values. People want to educate their children, become builders, hoteliers, exporters…

    c) Development is a rigorous, tough process. All positive development should just be welcome. Construction is the biggest employer for now. Service sector will follow.

    d) At a larger level, this is a confidence boost for India as we are now holding an event, which the most developed countries do.

    I think for a change we should celeberate the positives as many of us end up punching holes in every thing in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe you all would have got bored by my Ra one jokes, but cant stop myself from posting this as this is in relation with F1

    Adrian Sutil the driver of Sahara Force India tried to commit suicide
    because Vijay Malaya asked him to watch Ra One as a punishment for
    losing the race.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Arre yaar, yeh murder, dakaaiti, dhaka, sab chod dho yaar,

    Please talk about booze, boobs, babes etc at which you are very good.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Booze yes, but have I talked about boobs and babes ?
    I am not sure, may be .

    Here is this one :

    For happiness there are 5 things we need in life.

    Good friends
    Good income
    Good food
    Good sleep
    and
    GOOD — UCK

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    The last word looks incomplete

    Did you mean GOOD – LUCK… or was it…. something else?/

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    the only thing that comes between the first four and the last one is GOOD LUCK.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    You should have finished your post after writing ‘ Hic”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Enojoyed it actually….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Though I am a strong advocate of giving primacy to the development and the progress of the downtrodden, I am not in favour of depriving others of their joy. As it was primarily a private sector project, I do not think one should object to it. Otherwise, one would say no airlines, no 5star hotels, no Shatabdi Expresses, etc., etc. until everybody comes to a certain standards.

    If the Supreme Court does not allow tax exemption for F1 – the money will at least go to the right place – the state treasury. Whether it is used for the good of the citizens is a different matter altogether.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    what a surprise, such a cordial interaction between two people, I like.
    I agree with all you have written in last two posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I have no problem with interacting with anyone. except one. As long as the bloggers is civilized in his discourse, there can be no problem. Sometimes I may be bit harsh (but never abusive) with my posts to drive home the point. We are not here to become enemies.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    The F1 was a private sector venture and should not be seen as it de-priortising essential development.

    However, I hope you agree that wages of those who worked on the F1 track need to be given to those who worked on it.

    My understanding is that the owners of the tarck are still holding on to their monies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I am not aware of that the wages have not been settled. That is a crime, they should be brought to book and fined, in addition to the settling the wages. Is the UP Govt. or the local authorities doing anything about it?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure, my source of information is a 2 day old report in the Guardian. I mentioned it in my earlier post.

    Ravi Reply:

    Here is my source.

    Labourers who have built the circuit for Formula One’s inaugural Indian Grand Prix this weekend are living in destitution at their workplace, without shelter, sanitation or, they claim, the pay they were promised.

    Within sight of the undulating roof of the grandstand at the £130m Buddh International Circuit in Greater Noida, Uttar Pradesh, 13-year-old Raj Kumari, who has carried stones to make approach roads, is living with her parents in a tent made of salvaged plastic sheets.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/28/indian-grand-prix-f1-workers?INTCMP=SRCH

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Agree with you.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopiji,

    Would like to hear your views on this .

    Why Jayalalita is oppising Kudankulam atomic power project ? As far as I know
    that Tamil Nadu has huge shortage of power. Is she playing politics or there is a serious
    threat to the people of Kanyakumari.

    Please throw some light on this .

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY IMRAN Khan is most dangerous for India ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————
    Humne kaha

    ~~ BARKHA RANI thum jam ke barso… ~~

    Par Barkha ne kaha

    ~~ Nahi nahi
    Imran agar jhoot bhi bole
    Woh hai sahi~~~

    As I have been repeatedly pointing out at this site, the big danger to India from Pakistani leaders is really Imran Khan. He has some hypnotic grip over certain aunties in the media and they are willing to awallow any lies he dishes out… which gives him confidence to dish out more lies.

    Three days back NDTV and Barkha Dutt, did a full one hour program on Imran Khan and a book he had written on Pakistan. To NDTV, Imran was one of them. An English speaking Oxford/Cambridge guy like Prannoy and maybe some of their staff like Vikram. A cool dude… a playboy… an english speaker… one of us.

    To Imran, NDTV was a laucnh platform, where wide eyed Indians admired him, even when he dished out lies. Many of the girls– he knows– find him sexy. he toys with them… and gets away with lies.

    So when Barkha interviewed him, I really had no hope. But still I told myself, that she will see thru his game and I almost wished

    “Barkha Rani… thum jam ke barso…”

    But Alas. NO hope. He did not say anything about Taliban, or terrorism against India. ANd Barkha kept listening to him like a wide eyed fan…

    And a Day later… at a rally in Lahore, Imran sounded the bugle of a confrontation against India on Kashmir.

    The problems is that he has many wide eyed Aunties in India… in the media… who support him…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan has chosen to forget that the first condition for the resolution of Kashmir problem is that Pakistan has to vacate POK.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan is English speaking Talibani…A very dangerous person.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes Rajeev;
    He is a dangerous person, much more lethal than Hafeez saeed. we know how saeed looks and what he stands for. Imran is from same school of thoughts but very polished , at least in looks. Like Omar shaikh, he can not be trusted at all.

    Anonymous Reply:

    1000 % agree with Pankaj…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Digvinash Singh is a Hindi speaking Talibani-11000 VOLTS.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Food one. But Digviansh ji might just get short circuited to a 6 volt mini battery cell… if the Congress gets shortcircuited in the UP electins…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Don’t Insult Taliban…Digvijay is fit to be Launda in Talibani troop..(hint: google dancing boys of afghanistan).

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    You are funny.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ rajeev

    Absolutely. he is pitching himself like Allama Iqbal

    You will soon find that a lot of Indians… of all religions will find his talibani convictions as pure and “Pak.”

    Eve3n Barkha rani was questioning him wide eyed. “How did you re-discover Islam? How has it made your life pure…”

    This type of shi1t.

    In case an Indian politician , especially a HIndu had talked about discovering HInduism… everyone— From barkha rani to our very own Vinod Sharma Raja would have nailed him as communal….

    Ravi Reply:

    In the sphere of politics, most Pakistani’s treat him as a Joker. His election results are apalling for a man of his stature.

    Ravi Reply:

    Imran Khan is not as dangerous as Hafiz Saeed, simply because is totally ineffective.

    His rhetoric is a good emotional outlet with no impact on us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    He may become effective becasue the Indian media gives him attention… and that makes the Paksitanis feel that here is one guy who can handle India…

    Ravi Reply:

    And you believe that is due to happen anytime soon, because of all the JNU types etc etc.

    Do me a favour

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely. Just wait on what happens in the next few months. You will see Imran Khan the new Mukhota of taliban sweeping over Paksitan

    Ravi Reply:

    Upon what do you base this prediction

    Anonymous Reply:

    Indian media’s attention makes a person effective!!!!!

    Waah!. Kaunsi duniyaa mein rahte ho?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    the danger with Imran is that he is found charismatic by a certain group of Indians– especially wome who followed cricket in 70’s and 80’s.

    That emboldens him to toy with Indians… as he did by ball tampering on the cricket field. He will raise the pitch high… and unfortunately all of pakistan and parts of Indian media will fall or it..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan will be the force to reckon with in politics of
    Pakistan in near future. India should be wary of this guy.
    He has got great determination for doing things. If he soughts out to do something he will do it .
    He was away from cricket for 2 years after the shin inujury but came back and won world cup for Pakistan.
    In politics his party did not win a single seat first time when
    they stood for an election and everybody thought he will leave politics but he is still there and stronger than before.
    Even while building his cancer hospital when most of the
    donors had backed out, he some how managed to build
    that and it is running successfully now.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Mohan

    He is also a guy for whom destroying India is a game.

    When some socialites werre jumping into his bed in Mumbai, he spat back to say, “It is a gr8 tradition among Pathans to scrw women from the warmer plains of India.”

    Bet my last ruppe/dollar/Pound that had any body or he himself, said the same about Pakistani women, he would be lynched.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You really make me laugh.

    You think he is a danger because certain Indians, especially women, find him charismatic! What else?

    ————

    He will be as dangerous or ineffective as the Pakistani Army and the ISI allow him to be. He will be like most politicians in Pakistan – a “MukhoTaa”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I hope you do have a good laugh !!

    Let me tell you… I always like to state the most serious issues in a humourous way so that it remains interesting to me. So seriously speaking this is what I meant.

    The politcs of Charisma, which Imran represents is going to hit us hard because, like benazir and to a lesser extent Shah Mehmood quereshi, he is going to lie his way through yet, manage to convince the world. And sadly a section of Indian media as well as some Indians.

    This could well mean a HUGE fresh upheavel in Jammu amd Kashmir. If hafeez saeed’s charisma could fire kasab to become a suicide bomber, Imran’s charisma and lack of intelligence would see him pitch Paklistan against India in a head on confrontation. He already backs the Taliban and once in power he would surely try to unite the divided people of Pakistan by raking in Kashmir.

    You will see all that soon. As he did at the Lahore speech yesterday.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I was not laughing in the sense you assume it to be.

    Your argument is based on the assumption that our government (the politicians, the bureaucracy, the army) is manned by idiots.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan is a greater danger to Pakistan itself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Well said.

    But then Pakistanis always love all those who are dangerous to themselves. Check out the list– Ayub Khan, Yahya Lhan., Zia-il-jaq, Bhutto, Musharraf…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Living dangerously (and stupidly too) comes naturally to Pakistanis (and some of their Indian friends like……you know who!)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Barkha Dutt an auntie ?

    You are lucky that Rizwan dosent visit this blog anymore, otherwise
    he would have thrashed you.

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  • Anonymous

    @ MOhan

    Well when I was in college Barkha did make me blush… .

    And Rizwan too probably has reasons to find his blood rush,

    But then she put on a ton

    and khatta ho gaya mera mann…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I also forgot that Rizwan had met a beautiful lady from Lahore.

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  • Anonymous

    On this blog, mine may not be the last word
    Anna & Co do not know the spelling of COWARD

    all prophets of doom are now tongue-tied
    finding team Anna solidly unified

    Kejriwal will borrow, but not surrender
    Kiran Bedi will not an apology tender

    Now the movement will grow as never before,
    Anna will never be caught or get out leg before.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As usual — Brilliant.

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  • Anonymous

    Imran Khan, is the latest Pak army/ISI sponsored candidate.
    If you followed his speech in Lahore on Sunday, you would have noticed that he did not even have a whiff of criticism for the real rulers and masters of Pakistan – its army and ISI. He directed his political rhetoric against the political parties.
    India should maintain an aloof attitude and treat all Pak criminal, thug, callous army sponsored candidates with the disdain and contempt they have earned and deserve.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajiiv

    You might have got that right. The army seems to be backing him for now. And he has been called to China too…

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vijay;
    About wide eyed Barkha and Drooling Shobha de, these glitteratis and chatteratis try to be modern and secular, at he cost of Indian awam. High sounding ho- ha. Inke baap ka kya jata hai. Danger to India and indians is the concern of Indian public, who can see, a person with rhetorics and jingoism is ascending in Pakistan polity, though he has lived in West, but came back as orthodox as when he went there. His look and achievement in Cricket made him darling of English high life people, whom he enjoyed, used and threw away,Jemima for instance. I hope, our leadership understands this danger and will not be as foolish as some of our anchors and writers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I doubt our leadership will have an antidote.

    The so called cereberal channel NDTV has helped him in all manner, even when he was in a doghouse in Pakistan. Once after the attack on the Sri lankan team, on Sonia’s show, he blamed India for it.

    Why? becasue, only India benefits from attacks on foreigners in pakistan, he said.

    Sonia just let him get away with this,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    After Radiagate, I decided to never watch Barkha’s debates/programs. I have been able to keep my vow till date. She is extremely prejudiced and pro-govt. journo and is fit to be in paid news industry not in serious journalism.

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  • Anonymous

    There was a wicket keeper in Pakistan cricket team about 20 years ago.
    Anil Dalpat. He played few matches for Pakistan. Imran Khan when addressing
    him never called him by his name, he would always address him as
    bas….d, har……ada and many other deregotary names.
    This I know from a Pakistani friend of mine who knew Anil Dalpat very well.
    It is not possible for me to authenticate this but we were about 8 to10 friends sitting
    together — among them few were Pakistanis also — when this guy told us this .
    Not a single Pakistani objected to this .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “‘ Not a single Pakistani objected.
    What I meant was they silently agreed with his statement.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan is basically Good looking English Jamaat-e-Islami kind of guy.

    Do watch this video and see how Imran is seen by open-minded pakistanis.

    Aloo Anday

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEpnwCPgH7g

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod’s new blog is delayed. Wonder why?

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  • Anonymous

    It seems there is a hysteria on this blog about how dangerous Imran Khan can be for India, based on his one statement about J & K. Or is it simply an opportunity for ****-bashing, Imran-bashing, bashing other objects of hate here in India? When all efforts by the whole of Pakistan – its army, the ISI and its political leadership have not been able to do much for the last 64 years, what can one person do? Get real.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “” When all efforts by the whole of Pakistan – its army, the ISI and its political leadership have not been able to do much for the last 64 years, what can one person do? Get real. “”

    Pakistan has not done anything to harm India ?

    Support to Khalistan movement, Kashmir turmoil, Kasab, Parliament attack,
    flooding of fake curencies, various bomb blasts.

    You mean to say that India was not wounded by all these above ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Sorry did not see your post earlier.

    My point is basically is that their dirty-works-department has been at work. It has and will continue to create as many problems for us, (they went to war three times with us) and with the “advent” of Imran Khan, nothing will change much, as I said he is a small fry. The monsters are the Army/ISI. Hope someday better sense will prevail.

    As I had mentioned much earlier, the Army/ISI has to have a imagined “big enemy” to corner funds for itself and show its indispensability to the people of Pakistan. The day they say India is not that big enemy, army will have no major role to play and the funds will get significantly get reduced and this they (army/ISI) do not want to let go.

    In spite of all that we are still one country and progressing much faster than them, our own internal problems notwithstanding.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Fail to understand your objection to Imran bashing, as you put it. I am just trying to say that Imran getting importance is not a good sign for possible amiable relation with pakistan. You have big ojection to this and I feel that you know something about the strength of India, which we do not know. No body is saying that with Imran getting gaddi, we will lose kashmir, but it is obvious that possibility of things cooling down on the western front will get dimmed.
    It seems that your barbs are researved only for Bal Thakrey or Modi or Advani or other such people. Does not sound fair, if you do not agree, do not oppose it. People have all the right to express themselves.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You fail to understand me. Who is giving importance to Imran? The ones who have gone ballistic about his statement. Moreover, his statement is nothing new, it has been said million times from across the border. So why the sudden hysteria? Worse, the reasons and the logic advanced.

    I have no problem with whoever you and your fellow travellers choose to bash. Its a free world. Nor I am opposing anyone from expressing themselves – it is the sheer stupidity (IMO) of the views/opinions expressed that I am commenting upon. Haven’t I got the right to say so?

    Whoever IMO deserves a barb – gets it from me. Do not like it? Ignore it. The people you mentioned, are they some kind of holy cows or buffaloes?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Exactly, that is what I have been saying. why object to Imran being bashed, is he somekind of holy goat/ pig? Wow, people expressing themselves have become stupid in your opinion, if they would have kept quiet, that would have been O.k.
    It is the civilian front ( Mukhota) of Pakistani Army and ISI., and we have every right to degrade him as you have yours to degrade your opponents.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who is stopping or objecting to you all to do whatever you all wish to? Me! Read my response again. Have a picnic in bashing Imran and others.

    If I think something is stupid, I will say so and I said you can always ignore my views/barbs/whatever (as I do with most of the comments on this blog – they are not worth wasting any time), but you cannot stop me from expressing my views nor I can stop others (I have no intention to do so in any case). It is as simple as that.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Manohar;
    As I said before, I enjoy your posts so do not take me otherwise. But, I will give my independent reaction to any post, which I feel strongly about. I have disagreed with Shenoy and Vijay as well, many a times.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I too enjoy engaging with you, so where is the problem? Let us agree to disagree.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Perfect.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The trouble is you are not able to see the bigger picture.

    As Mohan has pointed out, for India, Pakistan has been the big issue since 1980. First the Khalistan movement then Kashmir insurgency and terror all over.

    Maybe 100,000 dead. Including a Prime Minister.
    Probably at least ten lakh crore used on extra security measures which could have been used for devvelopment and reducing poverty,

    But then you are not interested in seeing… or maybe seeing things only thru a tunnel vision…

    Sorry for being harsh. Just plainspeaking

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So should I assume that with the advent of Imran Khan, the number of dead and our security related budget will double, and we will be worse off?

    All the problems that Pakistan has created or will create will go on and we have to take appropriate measures – Imran Khan or no Imran Khan. The danger to India is primarily from the Pakistan Army and the ISI, who control the foreign policy across the border, the politicians, including Imran, are small fries.

    See also my reply to Pankaj.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Just go thru his statements post 9-11 US invasion of Afghanistan.

    Also read how he instigated violence against US soldiers in Afghanistan by over-blowing reported insult of Quran.

    He has been consistently anti-India on most of the issues. I consider Mushy far better to deal with than this forked tongue Imran.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I know he has been anti-Indian since the 70s. Nothing new.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    I don’t think you follow pakistani politics closely. Of late most of his views are identical to that of regressive Jamaat-e-Islami. I understand your point of not getting hysterical but this person if in power will use terrorism on big scale as strategy to wrest Kashmir from India.

    If pakistanis elect him to lead, we can’t do anything about it but we can definitely be careful in dealing with him.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is your view and I have mine, which I have articulated here in other posts.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    It not only is hysteria, it is base less hysteria. A great example of knee jerking.

    Imran has been in politics for over a decade and has achieved sod all. He started out as right of centre politician and over the years has progressively moved further right.

    However, your post has performed hysteriaectomy. I hope!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is more of a chance to bash their “real and imagined” enemies/objects of hate. Nothing more.

    All that doomsday scenario for India is all hogwash.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mohan;
    How about Danish kaneria, Hindu- Sindhi off spinner, one of the most successful bowler of recent times. Has been made to disappear. Just like Imran, Pakistani cricketeers are racketeers and communal to the core. Remember saeed, Inzammam and all those worthies, started wearing beard, offering namaz on ground and all those antics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Saeed Anwar has on record said that he was instrumental in converting Yusuf Youhana to Islam. He must have tried it on Danish too but I guess, he did not accept the offer.

    I may not like Shoaib Akhtar but I totally agree when he says that there was too much of religious nautanki in the team.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Yes, an excellent spinner. He is knocking at all the doors of PCB but no one
    is listening to him. It seems he cricketing carreer is over.

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  • Anonymous

    Imran Khan is basically Good looking English Jamaat-e-Islami kind of guy.

    Do watch this video and see how Imran is seen by open-minded pakistanis.

    Aloo Anday

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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  • Anonymous

    I used to be Imran fan when he was playing cricket especially during 1983 indo-pak series. I used to imitate his action and worked up good pace. I still bowl in his action still producing very good pace. As far as cricket is concerned, he-marshall-kapil are my heroes. I use all three actions from time to time based on situation but the thrill of Imran’s action is out of this world.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pasand apni apni.

    The general consensus is that Ray Lindwall had the most ideal (near perfection) fast bowling action and I agree.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jytbc4AQdA

    My next favourite – Sir Richard Hadlee.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-QOuf8Xik&feature=related

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not see Ray Lindwall play. I did not find Hadlee’s action exciting but he was great bowler.

    I forgot to mention Holding, Lillee and Thomson. I can see them bowl for hours without batting an eyelids. There is no other pleasure better than fast bowling.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    I am not a cricket guy. Field hockey, I am your man. In childhood, there was a guy, Gillchrist, from Waestindies, terror to batsman of world. how about him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    I don’t recall any Gillchrist from West Indies. Are you sure you are not talking about Adam Gillchrist?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    No Rajeev;
    I m speaking about Gilchrist of late fiftees. Are we on the same page?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Just for you, went to google. I think it was Roy Gilchrist. sorry, I was a child, and Gilchrist is permanently embedded in my psyche. Like, C. K. Naydu, Vijay Hazare, Vijay Merchant, and Mushtaq Ali.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Does not mean, I do not remember English or Australian greats.

    Anonymous Reply:

    After the tour of India 1958-59, Roy Gilchrist was banished from international cricket.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Why?

    Anonymous Reply:

    For bowling beamers and bouncers at tail end batsmen – especially in the match against North Zone or Punjab XI, in spite of the captain – Gerry Alexender – telling him to desist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks for the info. I’ll read about him. I was born much later.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ray Gilchrist, against whose fast bowling, the Indian players used to cower, was sent back after the first test for bad behaviour and insubordination. His short career was over with that, but his speed partner, Wesley Hall became a W.I. great in the following years.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Field Hockey – I love watching the sport, especially the matches involving the Australian team.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    just one minute ago, you wrote that you love to watch hockey with australian team. my dog is troubling me, want to go out, i will be back in few minutes. have patience please.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    OK Manohar;
    real hockey I saw, when as a young man, with clear vision and lot of enthusiasm, I saw, prathipal singh. Indian captain, and penaly corner specialist. You could see only, ball being stopped by one player, prathipals’s hit was not to be seened by mortals. only sound of boards. I can talk hours about hockey. where were you when Indian greats were playing, from Sansarpur, Bhopal, Jhansi, Gwalior and Lucknow. before astroturfs and changed rules.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Sorry Manohar,
    this dog of mine is ” Bigda Bachha”. not allowing me to sit on computer.

    Anonymous Reply:

    See new thread.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am guilty of not being a hockey fan but I still remember when India lost to pakistan 7-0 in Delhi Asian games, I was heart broken. That is another childhood memory that is still very fresh.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How would you rate Lilee whose action seemed perfect to me.

    As a child I had seen Kapil Dev from close. And seen him evolve from a guy who could really ball fast to a guy who stopped bowling fast…. just becasue he wanted to stretch his career…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I saw very little of Lillee but that was a sight to behold..Quick and graceful.

    As far as Kapil Dev is concerned, I am such a fan of his that I stopped watching cricket the day he left cricket. I have never watched any match after that except for the one day against England where Nehra bowled superbly.

    I also watch clips of Srinath, the most underrated fast bowler in the sub-continent.

    Lastly coming back to Kapil Dev, my earliest memory of him bowling is when his bounce hit head of an Australian batsman called Darling and I saw Darling falling down. I can still feel that thrill. He was pretty quick till 1984 but after the knee injury he had to slow down. In first 5 years of his career he had more that 200 wickets and for next 200 odd wicket, he had to slog for almost 11 years. You must appreciate that even when he was not among wicket, everytime, he ran into to bowl, there would be excitement and hope in the crowd that he would get a wicket. If he failed with the ball, everyone would be looking forward to his batting. He has been a blessing to Indian cricket. He along with Gavaskar are the backbone of modern Indian cricket we see today. He was forced to stretch his career because he never got a partner on other end until Srinath came in. I also feel, Azhar did not allow him to bowl enough to get wickets. Azhar used to give him some 10-15 overs an inning and he still used to get 2-3 wickets. He used to always get one of the first five wickets till Maninder in Nagpur denied him any.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There have been other great fast bowlers – Harold Larwood, Fred Trueman (another one of my favourites), Colin Croft (WI) – he left cricket early to become a commercial pilot.
    You can search YouTube for clips of their bowling actions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I have been avid reader of Cricket history and read lot about these bowler but they were before I was even born.
    I’ll definitely watch their clips. Thanks.

    Ravi Reply:

    In my opinion Alan Donald was one of the best pace bowler.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    IMHO, WESLEY HALL WAS THE BEST , USED TO START FROM THE BOUNDARY LINE.
    The most fearsome OF ALL TIMES, ANDY ROBERTS OF MIKE GATTING NOSE FRACTURE FAME

    Anonymous Reply:

    IMHO, WESLEY HALL WAS THE BEST , USED TO START FROM THE BOUNDARY LINE.
    The most fearsome OF ALL TIMES, ANDY ROBERTS OF MIKE GATTING NOSE FRACTURE FAME

  • Anonymous

    Manohar and Mahesh, you have lot in common. Hate Anna, ok. Congress is best, ok.
    ARROGANCE, not ok.
    Bloggers are saying disturbing thingss about Imran, listen. This man, basically a yuppie fundamentalist, lonely in Pak cos kids and wife live in Uk, shades of Jinnah here, could be next PM of India. Grenades hurled at police in Srinagar last week.
    And Sir Manohar tells us, dont be HYSTERICAL. Wah, arrogance
    Who said Imran blamed India for attack on Lankans, PL U PROVIDE LINK. I am shocked he said junk

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Balwinderji;
    I appear as some what agitated, yes, I am. Koi bhi Chikna guy from land of accursed, say something, and people, peaceniks, go Ga Ga. The mischief should be nipped in bud. It is not Hindu mahasabha, Ram Rajya parishad, RSS, or what ever you have, saying that pakistanis( Not all) are reactionary, communal and very aggressive against, world in general and India in particular. How long people should say, let it go. what point we are waiting for, when, **** bluff has to be called. Imran included. See/ hear, “hamen Maul Pyari hai, tumhe jindagi pyari hai” . There are more people in this world who will reciprocate to this idea of jihadists and show them, OK let us see, who lives and who dies. Whole world should finish this jihadi sentiment for once and all. We can not allow this wound to fester for ever.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    This was sen live by myself on NDTV on a progran done by Sonia SIngh. You will really have to hunt in the archives of NDTV

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    in reply, they might very well say, “are you so stupid that you cannot see our point of view?

    Don’t you know Anna is a clown?

    And Kiran Bedi is all nautanki?

    And Kejriwal? He is, besides being a clown, is a fraud too, don’t you know?

    Haven’t you heard our great youth leader, Manish Tiwari, saying, too, that Anna is a fraud from head to toe?

    Have you forgotten the genuine CD put out by Vinod Sharma about Prashant Bhushan?

    And hence Team Anna is a circus of clowns.

    Sandhuji, get real or take a walk”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    ” Shades of Jinnah” You are right about this.
    Articulate, inteligent, English speak and fanatic at heart.

    Very Very dangerous person.

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    engrich Reply:

    imran said that kashmir problem can be solve through negotiation.army cannot force any solution.he is right.
    but anti-muslim anti-pakistani bhaands started dancing.india was involved in attack on lankan team in lahore.one shukla was caught and now in pakistani jail.
    today 2 pakistani players are convicted on match fixing.i hope they will get long term prison term.
    we all should be radical humanist not hindu or muslim baiter.i am against rss because it is voilent gang of homodexuals.

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    engrich Reply:

    we should try to live together in harmony.

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  • Anonymous

    My point is this. Imran is mouth piece of the Pak army. The fact remains that Pakistan army is one of the most venal entities of last 100 years ( including genocide of its own citizens in East Pakistan ) besides genocide of Hindus and Sikhs in West Pakistan and arming and supporting every terrorist group besides raping Pakistan itself of its resources.
    So any person, who is supported by the Pak army/ISI should be held and treated with utmost contempt and including those that may argue here that Imran Khan is not currently supported by the Pak army.
    He will continue to peddle the establishment, anti-India line on Kashmir besides being soft on every Jihadi group. He is full of contradictions and is a mixture of left-leaning populist, rhetoric on economic policies ( he says under him there will be no electricity shortage in Pakistan but he wont beg for foreign aid. But how ? Pakistan cannot even repair its own engines and its railway system is being dismantelded ) and Jihadi anti-American , pro-Pak-establishment rhetoric on Kashmir.

    So just a word of caution. No reason to be alarmed by him nor any reason to expect any meaningful change from him. He represents Pak army/ISI status-quo.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajiiv

    He is a bit like Benazir… but going to be more dangerous. Now that he is acceptable to the Pakistani army and ISI, he would use anti- India sloganeering to unite a Pakistan in shambles.

    He would start the kashmir thing from square A.

    Unfortunately many in India and in the world would fall for his pitch. Especially in the Indian media… who really built him up as a agrresive winning playboy. And they would forget the incalculabel harm he would do to India and Indo Pak relations.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj

    Field Hockey

    I have seen lot of Hockey in late 60s/early 70s in Bombay. There used to be great local league then, which I used to attend regularly. Plus annual Bombay Gold Cup and Aga Khan Cup with all the top outstation teams in action. All that is history. Sad.

    The finest player I have seen was Balbir Singh (Western Railway) – the one who scored that impossible match winning goal in Bangkok Asian Games 1966 against Pakistan. He fell foul of the authorities and never got his due and fame. The opposing teams (including BSF) used to deploy one player to tail Balbir Singh to try and make him ineffective – so dangerous he was. If his team was playing, I would make sure I was there to watch this artiste. Read more about him

    http://www.hindu.com/2001/08/22/stories/07220965.htm

    http://grewalbalbir.com/index.html

    He excelled also in athletics and football.

    There were many more. Some names I recollect – centre forward Harbinder Singh (Northern Railway) and the star-studded BSF (8 of their players were in the Indian team) – Vinod Kumar, Major Singh, Ajit Pal Singh, etc. Punjab Police, Railways, SRC – Meerut, Signals- Jullundar were some of the other fine teams.

    Others I recall Cedric Perreira, Cedric D’souza (Tata’s) – India’s great goalkeeper. The finest reverse flick expert was Inam-ur-Rehman (Bhopal).

    After the World Cup in 1975 (which India won), the Asian All Star XI was in Bombay. I had the opportunity to watch among others lyrical Shahnaz Sheikh and mercurial Samiullah of Pakistan and they were just as fantastic and a joy to watch.

    Those were the days.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ajit Pal Singh the captain of Indian hockey team in 1975
    and Aslam Sher Khan of the same squad were also very good players from India. I remember an incident of that time .
    After winning the world cup Indian team landed at Delhi airport with
    bags full of foreign goods. Customs would not allow them to leave without
    paying duty. Custom department got a call from PMO office — some people
    even claimed that Indira Gandhi had called herself — to allow them to leave
    without paying any cutom duty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Yes, Aslam Sher Khan was a great back. In 1975 Kuala Lumpur – some people in the team management did not want him to play in the final against Pakistan, doubting his loyalties (I will not use the patriotism) to the Indian team. Wiser counsels prevailed and he played an outstanding role in India’s win. I wonder those Doubting Thomases ever apologized to him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes, sadly there were such rumours floating around at that time.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am so happy that you have seen some of the great players of this game. They were truly awe inspiring. I have my self seen many of them at Gwalior, Bhopal and Delhi. Hockey was played at International level in my extended family. Loss of space to cricket by Indian public has reduced this game to a level below football as still in some pockets of India, there are diehard fans of soccer but alse, hockey has no patronage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mind you I never played the game myself. Just love watching it. In those days, East stand ticket for the BHA league cost 25 paise, North and South stand 50 paise and West Stand Re 1.

    For the Gold Cup and Aga Khan cup, tickets were naturally priced little higher.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    I am so happy that you have seen some of the great players of this game. They were truly awe inspiring. I have my self seen many of them at Gwalior, Bhopal and Delhi. Hockey was played at International level in my extended family. Loss of space to cricket by Indian public has reduced this game to a level below football as still in some pockets of India, there are diehard fans of soccer but alse, hockey has no patronage.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan,

    you said, “”" When all efforts by the whole of Pakistan – its army, the ISI and its political leadership have not been able to do much for the last 64 years, what can one person do? Get real. “”

    Pakistan has not done anything to harm India ?

    Support to Khalistan movement, Kashmir turmoil, Kasab, Parliament attack,
    flooding of fake curencies, various bomb blasts.

    You mean to say that India was not wounded by all these above?”

    THESE ARE ALL HARMLESS, FRIENDLY PRANKS BY AN OTHERWISE I-LOVE-INDIA NEIGHBOUR, IN THE EYES OF THE IMRAN FAN. ARE YOU SO STUPID THAT YOU CANNOT SEE HIS POINT (QUOTED ABOVE)?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Yes, I never realised that I was stupid. Thanks for pointing out to me
    My wife was always right about me. :) :)

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  • Anonymous

    Is Azim Premji ,Plan “W’ of the RSS. ? …..Yes …That is what the Congress and the mouthpiece of 10 Janpath…. Digvijay Singh would like to say. Shocking no Premji’s staement … ‘Complete lack of decision making and its corruption” ..and we have a great economist and most honest PM.
    Why should Ajay Maken behave like a ” BA Pass from Hansraj”. That is what he showed when he said that “a developing country like India does not need F1 ” . He has not been briefed about the economic benefits of that event. Not even what Assocham has to say ” Formula 1 GP to help India brand promotion globally:
    Apex chamber ASSOCHAM has said the Formula 1 Grand Prix race in India could generate revenues of over Rs 90,000 crore in the next ten years and create 15 lakh new jobs opportunities for technical, skilled and commercial workers.”
    Or was it the temerity of Jaypee to call it “Budh Circuit” and not “Jawahar Lal Nehru Circuit” or because it happened in UP governed by Mayawati or the Headline in TOIs all editions ” Jaypee… Maya show Delhi , Gurgaon how to get it Right” .
    Lokks like that Congress cannot swallow the succes of F1 , inspite of all the hurdles it placed in its path.
    …. Any way we say ” Congrats Jaypee…. Mayawati.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen,

    Any good thing happening in India will not be liked by congress if they
    are not the part of that .

    If Azim Premji is Plan W of RSS than most of the bloggers here are
    Plan Z of RSS

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Praveen-Mohan.
    Liked this conversation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Congress will think twice before taking on MUSLIM Premji. Right now Congress constant barking RSS-ANNA is motivated by coming UP elections. It was to communalize the atmosphere and polarize the votes in UP. It is planning to gobble up atleast 50-60%% muslim votes plus 20-30% Dalit votes and upper castes votes so that it can dictates terms to SP or BSP govt.

    I have heard that they already have understanding with Mulayam. I feel that next UP govt. will be SP led but on leash by Congress. BJP will be marginalized and BSP will be wounded opposition. I also foresee Maya going jail if SP-Congress come into power.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna Hazare at it again.

    —————
    Anna Hazare threatens PM with hunger strike again

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Anna-Hazare-threatens-PM-with-hunger-strike-again/Article1-763478.aspx

    Yawn.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One gentleman ….yawns
    Another from AIIMS shall… laugh
    Mommy shall turn …ventriloquist
    Digvijay Singh will have his moment of glory
    Pappu will not know what to do
    But PM of India ..shall have a nightmare

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What other option does he have if current UPA govt. instead of working on Lokpal works overtime to discredit people?

    Manohar, You may say that you are not congress supporter but you always come out as supporter of Congress on most occasions. There is no need to support corruption unless you too believe in virtues of corruption.

    Don’t dismiss these observation by others…Work on it..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    1) If I was a Congress supporter, would I blast the Nehru-Gandhi family (read my response to your post itself earlier) and I had also said you seem to have a short memory and.or ….. Take the trouble to scroll back and read once again. Moreover, you do not seem to have understood me and I keep repeating that I debate issues and not personalities, per se.

    2) If by any remote chance, I am a Congress supporter, so? Is it a crime? Is that party not allowed to have supporters or is it the exclusive preserve of the RSS/BJP – a party of idiots as you yourself have said so?

    3) Let me get a bit harsh, you must be really daft to imagine that I support corruption. Show me one statement, where I have supported any wrong doing by anybody.

    4) In this particular case,

    First believe me, even if the NDA or any other party would have been in power and the clowns were to similarly threaten it, my reaction would have been the same. Condemn it and then yawn.

    Second one does not cry wolf too often.

    Third, they are barking (pardon the expression) up the wrong tree, the bill is in the parliament and the MPs have to take a call on it. Why are they only targeting the Congress, not the UPA or the parliament?

    Hidden agenda and personal axes to grind anyone?

    Fourth, who they think they are and who has given them the authority to dictate terms to the elected MPs and by extension the government. Tomorrow, some crackpots will form a group and make train travel free or else ….

    5) When facts come out – by accident or by design and these clowns get exposed, whose fault is it? For instance,

    a) Did Congress or anybody else force Kiran Bedi to fudge figures?

    b) Kejriwal has been asked to pay the amount of Rs 9.62 lacs to the Government and after a lot of noise has agreed to pay it by taking a loan. Why the turn around?

    Let us look at it the other way, if the amount had been waived off or deducted from his PF, which is against the rules, then someone would have got up and say – why the special treatment to him and accuse the Government of hanky-panky?

    c) Now Kejriwal is talking about returning Rs 42 lacs excess collected during the nauTanki at Ramlila grounds, saying the donors did not provide complete details. When they did not provide complete details (in many cases donors unknown – so to whom are they going to return the money to?), why were the monies accepted in the first place? Didn’t they know the rules and laws then?

    Kiran wanting to return the fudged amounts and Kejriwal wanting to return the excess amounts. What is happening? Mind you, these two were IRS/IPS officers, so they cannot pretend they did not know this thing or that.

    You may overlook these, as these “worthies” (clowns actually) have taken up cudgels against your objects of hate. That is what I think, you may refute them or remain in denial, I do not give damn.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) I always see you taking position similar or identical to congress on all issues including corruption. You are definitely not neutral.

    2) Counter question..Is it a crime to be BJP/RSS supporters as congressis are projecting it to be? What is wrong if Anna is supported by RSS? Did Digvijay not support Batla house terrorists and 26/11 terrorists?

    3) I am not saying that you support corruption..All I am saying that your views are very similar to those of Congress on corruption. All you believe is to shoot the messenger.

    4) Do you mean that only elected people have right to raise the issue or ask the uncomfortable questions? Unfortunately MPs and MLAs are not in touch with common man anymore.

    5) What Kiran Bedi did was naive and wrong but does that give certificate of Honesty to Congress? How can they explain their own scam by hiding behind chillar scams of Bedi? Coming to IT notice to Kejriwal, it is clearly motivated but I am of the opinion Kejriwal should clear his dues. Kejriwal is returning back 42 lakhs..what’s wrong with that? Can Congress return back at least 1000 crores? I don’t consider Anna and his team clowns because they are imperfect but still trying to change things. I consider Sonia, Rahul,, MMS clowns who are using al kinds of tricks to derail Anna’s movement. These are the real clowns whom you consider your heroes. Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi don’t own a car…What else can be more clownish?

    Manohar, You are sold on the idea that Congress’s corruption is tolerable because it stops BJP from coming into power. Your opposition to Anna is more based on your loyalty towards Congress…Be a man to accept it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can answer you point by point, but I will not as it is not worth the effort – you keep repeating your same opinion about me time and again in spite of me telling you otherwise a number of times, if you wish to make an effort go back in the blogs to get answers. As I have said earlier you do not understand plain English, have a very short memory and.being very presumptuous. Hold whatever opinion you have of me or Indian parliamentary system or Anna Hazare and his gang of clowns or whatever, as I said I do not give a damn. I will not have any problem, if you do not give a damn either about my views and opinions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can say exactly same things about you. You intentionally or unintentionally hold similar views to that of Congress of most of the issues.

    I agreed with you on some aspects on why Anna’s Jan Lokpal demand is difficult to meet but don’t expect me to agree with you on Congress’s movement against Anna and his team,

    You are not a neutral observer and you need to admit that openly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You may be dishonest with yourself. Not me and I am not going to admit something which is not true, just because you expect me to do so. Try it with someone else.

    PS: See, you do not understand plain English – I had said I do not give a damn as to what you think of me.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You have been constantly supporting Congress positions and still call others dishonest for pointing out the obvious.

    Now I understand why Congressis lie without blinking.

    You don’t even understand simple logic. I don’t know you personally so I am not making any judgement on you. All I am saying is that your views are similar or identical to that of congress on corruption.

    As far as honesty goes, I can say with 100% confidence that BJP is less corrupt than Congress and RSS far more pro-india than congress.

    Show some courage and say what you want rather than beating about the bush.

    If you want to remain dishonest, don’t reply. I will understand.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I choose not to waste my time. You can draw your own conclusions and I do not care.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you are one more in this “ace debater’s” long list of stupid people who pollute this clean blog.

    You either don’t get it or you have lost it.

    I had earlier advised you: to understand this superlative debater’s outstanding debating points, you have to keep print-outs of his posts in the earlier two blogs,

    and to understand them, print-outs of two still earlier blogs and so on.

    All of you who challenge or counter this great debater with your own stupid arguments, are, clowns, imbeciles, morons and also prone to indulge in nautanki, which Vinod Sharma doesn’t appreciate at all.

    THE BASIC FACT IS, ALL YOU BLOGGERS DO NOT KNOW ENGLISH.

    Ayee baath samaj mein?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Thanks for kind words.
    I believe in calling spade a spade whatever the cost. I don’t value friendship, personal relationship etc. if it stops me from speaking my mind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP may be party of foolish people but when it comes to dividing people in the name of secularism, Congress is full of scoundrels.

  • Anonymous

    Is this not COMMUNAL? Conversion from Islam to xtianity is an offence but conversion from hinduism to semitic faith is secular.

    7 booked in Kashmir Valley over ‘conversions’

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/7-booked-in-Kashmir-Valley-over-conversions/articleshow/10562100.cms

    SRINAGAR: J& have booked seven people for allegedly “luring” nine Kashmiris to convert to Christianity under a local priest’s guidance at Srinagar’s All Saints Church.

    Sources said the police were also likely to act against the priest – Chander Mani Khanna – for luring the nine into converting by offering money. “Keeping in view the sensitivity of the issue, police have registered an FIR against those named for conversions,” a police officer said on the condition of anonymity.

    Sources said the decision to book the seven was taken at the highest level to avoid possible unrest in the Valley.

    Grand mufti Bashir-ud-din had earlier summoned Khanna to appear before his sharia court on November 12 to explain the allegations. The priest wrote to the Mufti, saying he would be able to meet him on November 15 to sort out the issue.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @RAJEEVS, I thought you guys must be freezing your balls off in USA , with the recent freak snow and 3 million household without electricity. Unless you are at west coast or texas.
    Regarding Kashmir , to put an end to this festering problem , India should hold referendum , the brain dead ones who want to merge with pakistan settled along the LOC, the ones who want to stay with india alond the Jammu srinagar border, the CRETINS who want independendence sandwiched between.
    All the GOI factories HMT etc , relocated to Jammu , an extensively MINED border to keep away the NON INDIANS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    I am in midwest so got saved.

    Referendum is impossible in J&K because in PoK and CoK demography has totally changed and pakistan & china will never withdraw from occupied territory. Remember referendum is to be done in WHOLE OF UNDIVIDED KASHMIR not just Indian part.

    If pakistan wants our kashmir, we should hold back Ladakh and Jammu and negotiate only on Kashmir valley and adjoining districts. Also pakistan should be asked to keep its border open for next 50 years so that Indian muslims can go and settle there if they want because we don’t want to hear after 50 years that muslim dominated western Uttar Pradesh, WB, Assam and Kerala rightfully belong to pakistan.. May be at that time your decendents will ask for referendum to settle these disputes.

    Two nation theory stands discredited after Bangladesh was formed so pakistani argument on Kashmir seems to be phony except that it is aimed at controlling rivers.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Shenoy/ Manohar;
    Thanks for your comments on Ray Gilchrist.

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  • Anonymous

    Never imagined that Chinese Communists govt. will copy techniques of Sonia’s Congress to suppress dissent-

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15533014
    China artist Ai Weiwei served with $2m tax demand

    Ai Weiwei spent almost three months in detention, but was never arrested.
    Chinese authorities have served Ai Weiwei with an official demand telling him to pay 15m yuan ($2.3m; £1.4m) within 15 days, the artist has said.

    He said he had rejected the notice, and was not sure whether he would pay.

    The artist, one of China’s most famous people, was held for almost three months earlier this year before being accused of “economic crimes”.

    His supporters say the accusations are part of a plot to silence Mr Ai, who is an outspoken critic of the government.

    Mr Ai said he would pay the money if it was proved to be a tax issue.

    But he said he had not been able to review his company’s account books because they had been taken by the authorities.

    And he said he had not seen any evidence showing that the firm had evaded tax.

    “I am only a designer of the company. I never signed any of the company’s contracts, nor did I ever read any of the company’s finance reports, so I have no idea,” he told the BBC.

    Mr Ai was picked up by police in April as authorities rounded-up activists, following calls on websites for a Middle Eastern-style Jasmine revolution in China.

    The state news agency Xinhua said in June that Mr Ai had been released “because of his good attitude in confessing” to tax evasion and because he had agreed to pay back the money he owed.

    But on Tuesday he said: “It was not true that I admitted to tax evasion charges. I was never formally arrested and never charged.”

    “If they really want to prove that I am a bad guy, why don’t they behave themselves to make the process more transparent?” he later added.

    Since his incarceration, he has won numerous art awards, and was recently named the world’s most powerful artist in a poll carried out by an art magazine.

    His case has also become a cause celebre for rights activists and critics of China’s Communist Party.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan was partialy right.

    Chori ka maal KABHI KABHI hazam nahin hota.

    Salmant Butt and Mohd. Asif found guilty in match fixing.

    Jail upto 7 years is possible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now let us see Afridi Barking “We muslims have big heart”…Dhakkan.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Just read about Roy Gilchrist and I am sorry to say, he comes out as a poor sportsman.
    Please read about him in wikipedia and why he was shown door by his own captain.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Gilchrist

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    I did not follow him for any length of time. Did not know reason why he suddenly dis ppeared. Manohar and Shenoy told me the reason. He deserved the discipline.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bowling a beamer by crossing 6 meters ahead is no way to intimidate the batsman. I think Holding did far better job in 1970-71 series where he sent back most of Indian batsman purple chested.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gilchrist played for Hyderabad in the Ranji Trophy and South Zone in Duleep Trophy – 1962-63 season.

    In that season, BCCI had invited 4 West Indies pacers to play domestic cricket to harden Indian batsmen against pace bowling.

    The other 3 fast bowlers who played in that season were Conrad Stayers (Bombay), Lester King (Bengal) and Chester Watson (Delhi).

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Guys;
    Will be out for about a month on tour. See you some time in the interim.

  • Anonymous

    I did not see Wesley Hall in action but I remember that he was asked to bowl post retirement (probably in India), even at that time he bowled a quickie but it was very very wide.

    Andy Roberts was another bowler to watch. According to Gavaskar (the best batman against true fast bowling), Andy Roberts was most difficult to play. I however never liked his KOOBDA action.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Clive Lyod, reportedly rated Mohinder Amarnath as the best Indian batsman against WI fast bowling.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree. Mohinder was one gutsy batsman who never got his due. I still remember him hooking unstoppable Imran in 1982-83 series.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Imran Khan was also of the same opinion about Mohinder Amarnath.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan of Cingular moronic imbecilic stupidity, why you open garbage mouth. Listen to this, bloggers, his solution to kashmir=
    send all pro Pak, to LOC, keep pro Indians towards Jammu and tbe JKLF type independence lovers in between. Oh, buffoon Dr Shan says mine the border extensively.
    Someone pl pl chek his MBBS cert, is it fake. This idiocy paases for foreign policy in his cockroach brain. THIS PIG COMES OUT WITH NONSENSE ,week after week. I genunely think he wants to kill me with Bp

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  • Anonymous

    @Bloggers et al , somebody please check VDRL test for sandhu , guaranteed to be positive , he is showing signs of neurosyphilis, also a CT brain will show his BRAIN IS ATROPHIED to the size of a walnut ,due Chronic Alcoholism.
    Lastly check his passport , it is as a result of kabuterbazi ,he entered UK

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  • Anonymous

    =================================================================
    ~~ STEVE JOBS, INDIA AND ALL THE IT GUYS OUT HERE ~~~
    ==================================================================

    At all, especially Ashish, Rajeev, Rajiv,

    WE Have the conservative but efficient Premji and Narayanmurthy… but where is our swashbuckling Steve Jobs??????

    Am reading Steve Jobs biography by Walter Isaacson.

    Pretty fascinating.

    I was pretty interested to know about Steve’s India experiences. Well there were indeed extreme. It is about hunting for sublime spirituality which he finds and does not at times. Also about heat and dysentery. A lot about travelling to extreme ends, including Manali where I still see a lot of hippies hanging around. Yet he seems to have taken the Hare Krishana experieces seriously and also that of Zen Buddhism.

    At least India seems to have shaped his thinking. Hold on… becausee Indians he says, have a strong sense of intution.

    And he says his products reflect the sublime beauty and simplicity of his spiritual experiences..

    Now do we have this strong sense of intution? :)
    My intutive sense says that Congress aur dynasty alvida!

    But more seriously, Steve Jobs even rates his LSD and marijuana as deep POSITIVE influences ! Well If I remember correctly, 1974 was also the year of the Dev Anand – Zeenat Aman starrer, Hare rama hare Krishana. (somebody can correct me on this since I was really yet to open my eyes then) which also looked at those hippies. Even Woznaik, his collegue and another guy who is pretty senior in Google was one of those hippies on the Hare Rama hare Krishana trail !

    Steve jobs is probably the Einstein of this generation.

    Now my tongue and cheek question to all … Does it require extreme spiritual, counterculture experiences to create the breakthrough products which Steve managed to do. Like the Macintosh PC… and then then the I pod, I phone, I — Pad etc….???

    hey so my question remains. … for all !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Its very difficult to discern causes that make certain men what they are. Mr Jobs was not a computer engineer but more of a marketing and product specialist , having a feel for what consumers want.
    He came from a broken family but grew up to be a great professional success and build a good family himself.
    All the psychological mumbo-jumbo in the world of psychiatry cannot explain that and millions of such others , only ‘kismat’ or ‘destiny’ does.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay and Rajiiiv

    Can it be just kismat? It would require a dogged madcap determination to go ahead with “invented” products. It is extremely laudatory that Steve could work with computer chips, without an engineering background.

    I have an arts background. The moment my computer goes down… I panic. I cannot make head or tail of repairing it. So for a person to invent it without the training is extremely good intelligence…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kismat and destiny is the greatest mumbo jumbo propagated by the PUNDOOS , that said the dalits are where they are because of destiny..
    Science with which this punjabi pundoo has a liking , same as 9/11 victim family has with Mohd Atta and Bin Laden

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I have two such products in mind for our “creative” people:
    “i luv” and “i procreate”. And these are NOT FOR SALE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Steve Jobs and spirituality and Hare Ram Hare Krishna you must be joking. I am sure it is definetely a Sanghi propaganda.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Not joking.. ! But seems the Sanghis drafted him.

    Maybe Zeenat Aman was singing

    “Dum Maaro Dum
    Mit jaaye gam…”

    For Steve !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    If Steve jobs liked some aspects of Hinduism, so what. Let us stop behaving like muslims and stop drumming that so and so got inspired by hinduism. We don’t seek converts, however they are free to join.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    My interest was really not so much his interest in Hinduism as in his experiences in India. And how could spirituality affect a person who was direct enough to needle job aspirants in his company by asking . “when diid you lose your virginity…”

    However I have never taken this Hare Krishana movement and the many whites who follow Eastern religion ncluding Buddhism too seriously… till I started reading this biography. I guess becasue of a different cultural setup they can get a different meaning out of the same words.

    But then sadly, Hindusim is still bugged by caste minded priests who do not know where to handle a serious and a new follower. On top or the bottom.

    Of Course I have met a few interesting whites… who are Krishana followers. Including a cute British girl whom I met at the ISKON stall some years back. She was trying to hook me into the Krishana movement. And I was trying to hook her into Hare Vijay Kumar movement… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hare Vijay movement :)

    Around 7-8 years back, I was on ISKCON web-sites reading DOs and DON’Ts for whites visiting India. One of the suggestion was (not exact words though)-

    “Keep an arm length from Indians and treat them not as an equal but as subordinate. Due to 250 years of British rule, Indian mind is conditioned to respect Whites. This will help you get Indians off your back who poke their nose too much.”

    Reading this I lost my cool and sent a stinking email to the web-site admin. In the years after that, I did not see this DO anymore.

    Anonymous Reply:

    TRUTH HURTS

    Anonymous Reply:

    So you are saying that Indians are inferior to whites…

    I am really surprised to see you parcticing reverse racism.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I think the world is becoming flat now !

    My yesterday’s meeting on behalf of a client was with American investors who wanted to build offices for US companies in India to give on lease. As per my discussions with them

    a) There is no return by way of property appreciation in the US

    b) Bank interest rates are too low.

    In the two hour meeting… I had a feeling that the US-India partnership could be fruitful both ways. At the end of the day, both are noisy democracies. But it really has to be that of equality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    “both are noisy democracies”
    US is more nosy than noisy. It pokes its nose at the most obscene places.

    Vijay Kumar, about this much disliked Disqus software, let us ask some of our techies here to design a programme to get rid of Disqus. Let us call it “Disqard”.

  • Anonymous

    Ideas : Mr Vinod Sharma’s next blog subject

    Mr Sharma’s blog is over-due.
    Last 3 blogs, in descending order. have been calculated tirades against
    Kiran Bedi,
    Anna,
    Kejriwal

    Has he run out of team-Anna members to write blog against ?
    Or Mr Sharma has lost interest in writing, considering the overwheming criticism and acerbic retorts that his pro-Congress campaign draws here ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv,

    to balance his criticism of team Anna in the last three blogs, Vinodji can now write the next three blogs praising Digvinash Singh, Rahul Baba and Sonia Gandhi in ascending order.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Please dont give him the ideas, otherwise we will have
    to go through the torture of reading those articles.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blasphemy..how can holy mother, son and clown be mentioned in same blog as BJP, Anna, RSS and martians? Never…

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Rajeev, Pankaj, Mohan, Praveen Saxena,

    Azim Premji seems to have rubbed the congress party the wrong way.

    But, more interesting is the upcoming UP elections and in this context, the joint appeal made by Ex-chief of RS

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ex-chief of RSS, Sudarshan and AIMPLB vice president Maulana Kalbe Sadiq have given a joint appeal to voters to vote for the good candidates without looking at caste and religion.

    Read interesting editorial in the Times of India:

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIBG/2011/11/02&PageLabel=14&EntityId=Ar01404&ViewMode=HTML

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab

    I read the joint appeal. I think this is what secularism should be about. CHosing “good’ candidates and not about vote banl fractitious politics.

    I hope Vinod Sharma lauds this in his next editorial/blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Was very happy to read this. Hopefully more people will join them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP should woo marginalized muslilms like Shias, Ahmedis, Arjals and genuine sufis and marginalize wahabis-deobandis who anyway are minority in muslims.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes Shenoy Saab

    I also read about that meeting and was happy to read their appeal.
    Incidentally the government of Uttaranchal ( I do not like to call it Uttarakhand as it gives the imppression of being Khandit ) has passed the Lokayukt Bill and it is line with what Anna has proposed. I hope other BJP ruled states also move quickly.
    Justice Markandey Katju a fellow Allahabadi , an alumnus not just of my University but also of my school ( and his younger brother Vivek Katju of the IFS too ) true to his reputation has announced his arrival in the Press Council with a bang. Let us hope he does not beat a retreat as he has sometimes done in the past and we may hope to see more interesting headlines.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji, Vinoo,

    I agree with you both. I have no reason to believe that Sudarshan would go to all that length if he were not serious in his intent. This is also entirely in line with the intense dialogue the RSS is having with the Christian community in Kerala as also with some honest maulanas of Deoband, which is low key and on going.

    As for Justice Katju, I am afraid, Saxenaji, he may very well back-pedal and say, ” maine aisa toh nahin kahaa thaa”. Remember, his much quoted remark about Talibanisation of schools?

    The other funny thing about him is that when he made critical remarks about Hindus, the media hailed him as a great secular judge, but when he made several damaging remarks about itself, the media is baying for his blood. Talk about double standards!

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  • Khalidsiddq

    MR. VINOD SHARMA WHAT ABOUT BARKHA DUTT, VIR SANGHVI, PRABHU CHAWLA ? THEY WERE CAUGHT NAKED ON RADIA TAPES? ON WHOSE SUPPORT SHOBHNA BHARTIYA HAS BECOME A MEMBER OF UPPER HOUSE?WHAT ABOUT ROBERT VADRA WHO HAS BECOME BILLION ER AFTER MARRIAGE TO PRIYANKA? AS A TRUE CONGRESSMAN LIKE YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUBLISH IT RETURN OF ROBERT VADRA FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS.WHAT ABOUT RAJIV GANDHI WHO BUTCHERED MORE THAN 10000 SIKHS.

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  • Anonymous

    Not that I found it strange , but a sort of confirmation of a hunch , that probabaly Editors of the HT Media are under an obligation that they shall defend the Congress Party on all occasions. Yesterday I saw Mr Shashi Shekhar Editor “Hindi Hindustan”, coming out with all sorts of arguments critical of Anna’s latest letter . He could be genuinely be feeling that way … but is it not too much of a coincidence.
    What could also be true is that many of the present day Editors have formed a cabal , to dominate the Media and the discourse with their own viewpoint , stifle and snuff out the contrarian , and the juniors to survive have to fall in line. There can be no doubt that alignment with Congress Party , is more lucrative . The Party is known to take good care of its loyalists …. and this tried and tested modus-operandi to control the media continues.

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  • Anonymous

    Bribery and Corruption

    —————

    Chinese and Russian firms fare worst in bribery index, India improves

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/business-news/WorldEconomy/Indian-firms-improve-record-in-Bribe-Payers-Index/Article1-763880.aspx

    Excerpt

    India’s score improved the most, with an increase of 0.7, but it still remains near the bottom of the table. Canada and the United Kingdom saw the most significant deterioration in their scores with a drop of -0.3,

    —————-

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  • Anonymous

    There is a ground in Range Hills Khadki, Pune which has produced some great Hockey Talent especially Dhanraj Pillai..

    I spent my many years in that Area playing cricket and watching hockey matches (not understanding enough). Kahan gaye wo din..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is bang opposite Military Hospital, Range hills. (for puneites on this blog if any)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    You mentioned that u were a big fan of kapil. Then you should shake hands with me… for I have beaten Kapil in a game…

    Not cricket… but squash !

    This was 1990’s when we youngsters used to hang at the NSCI club Delhi, where Kapil would come for unwinding by playing Badminton and Squash.

    Kapil was learning squash, then. And yes he was a natural athlete.
    Six months later he was able to beat most of us hands down.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s cool. I hope one day I will meet Kapil Dev.

    My teammates used to call me Kapil Dev because of my idol worshipping him. For me there is no greater Indian cricketer than Kapil. I wish he was used better by Azhar. He would have crossed 500 wickets with ease.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I hope I will meet Vijay Kumar someday soon.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Surely one day…

    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you sud try to contact him whenever you are in Delhi. He was a pretty down to earth guy once.

    I remember when he got those 432 wickets… and he came to the club… he got beer bottles for all his friends in his gypsy. He even gave mithai to the markers and caretakers of the squash courts.

  • Anonymous

    Rajeev,

    Regarding your post on the CNN-IBN Tv debate yesterday on whether it was wrong to compare 1984 anti-Sikh pogrom with the 2002 Hindu Muslim riots in Gujrat.

    I too watched the debate. it was clear that it is becoming increasingly difficult for the secular media and pseudo seculars to balance the former with the latter, because they cannot be compared. Comparisons can be between riots of the same nature, like Gujrat and Bhagalpur etc.

    Anti-Sikh pogrom of 1984 was unique in India’s history. Actually, the Hindu community was not involved in the massacres per se. It was the planned handiwork of a few congress leaders who let loose their goons on a hapless community for settling scores. Though Rajiv Gandhi personally didn’t indulge in it, he is still guilty of giving the order for the settling of the score and then preventing the police and army from doing anything for three days in the national capital.

    In Gujarat, Modi can be blamed for being inept in his handling of the rioters of both communities and for inadequate response to the situation. He was also terribly inexperienced.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why are Sikh riots not highlighted by media?
    1. Media is very loyal to Congress.
    2. Sikh population is just 2% compared to 18% muslim population. It is miniscule vote bank that can be ignored by seculars.
    3. Absence of any external pressure on behalf of sikhs on India. In case of muslims, 57 Islamic countries plus their western masters start howling at India. In case of chritians, the situation is more comical. The so-called SECULAR countries show extreme concern.
    4. Confused Hindus who don’t know how to counter media and their communal masters.

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  • Anonymous

    Shortcomings and malignant provisions in the Government’s draft of the Lokpal bill

    by Anil Divan

    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2586273.ece?homepage=true

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What else we can expect from this government. They will try their best
    to dilute the Jan lokapl to make it it inefective.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is one view. The final call will be taken by the Parliament – whether it is diluted or not is to be seen. In a diverse country like India, things have to be done by consensus. The art of the possible.

    Here is another link, in case you missed it.

    Govt to bring aam aadmi law against everyday graft

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Govt-to-bring-aam-aadmi-law-against-everyday-graft/Article1-764206.aspx

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  • Anonymous

    Vinod Sharma seems to have hit a writer’s block.
    does he hear the ticking of the clock?
    whom will he now put in the dock?
    May Justice Katju be asked to de-frock?
    or Amul Baby giving his party a shock?
    Or even Assange snooking a ****?

    whatever be the subject, Vinodji,
    your blog mates are listless and be-chain on the blog
    they are watching the ghadi do the tick-tock.

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  • Anonymous

    Ahmedabad Muslims find way around aum for yoga—INDIAN EXPRESS.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ahmedabad-muslims-find-way-around-aum-for-yoga/869839/0

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Its a Sanghi propganda .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    with the ulterior motive of inciting religious passions and causing riots.

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    @ Prahlad

    Hey don’t call me sir… we are all equal on this blog. Even though some of us here are grandfathers… while others are fresh sprouts!

    Now I am not suggesting that LSD and marijuana help creativity! All I am saying is that Steve Jobs took all his experinces in a positive light, even those which I would call bad and a waste of time, and a disaster to health. LSD has caused enough damage to people who took it.

    At that time– as I understand from his biography– John Lennon of the beatles was an inspirational figure for kids in the west. Many of them were taking drugs for entertainment as well as protesting against being drafted for war in the Vietnam.

    For Steve jobs, possibly the hunt was on for his missing parents who dumped him. Kids from broken families– which is the norm now in many societies and many of people who hate their parents still know where they are. But probably not knowing who they are– as was in JOb’s case– could also be a force for a perpetual hunt for spiritual and material satisfaction.

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  • Anonymous

    3 Pakistani cricketers are in jail now

    Salman Butt for 30 months. Asif for 12. And Mohammad Amir for 6 months.

    Will be a life changing experience.

    Hope this finally sends the ultimate message to match fixing players.

    And Azharuddin, COngress MP, must be laughing that he GOT away…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    SO DID JADEJA, and how conveniently you omitted that

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Selective amnesia!

    or

    Hyperopia!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I dont know what you were implying by the word selective amnesia. I am no personal friend of jadeja…

    It is very easy to tar reputations, so I would only go by what the final convictions/enquiries yielded.

    Jadeja had a call record of suspicious no of calls during a match with one Sanjeev Sharma who had played some ODI’s for India and was known to be close to bookies. For that he was banned for a certain period.

    However yes, Jadeja was good friends with Akram and Waqar, but that does NOT make him a match fixer. But the Board found his behaviour suspiscious… that is what is important for me.

    Manohar… I think you reacted this way because you thought that the Congress name was getting tarred… is it not?

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is what you think. IMO, Congress Party’s reputation is at a very low ebb, you naming only one and me “trying” (your opinion) to defend makes no difference.

    What Shan is implying is obvious. You can choose to play innocent, which you have done earlier on few occasions.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Isn’t it strange? In a country like Pakistan, these kind of criminal cricketer go to jail whereas in India, these kinds of elements are absorbed by Congress and made MPs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The British courts convicted the three. In Pakistan — as per Times now reports– some people have appreciated it. Others have compared it to henry kissinger and his threat to ZA Bhutto to give up his nuclear program. By implication — a grand international conspiracy to destroy Pakistni cricket.

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  • Anonymous

    BJP to bank on Iron Man for gains in UP assembly election

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/BJP-to-bank-on-Iron-Man-for-gains-in-UP-assembly-election/articleshow/10549591.cms

    Can’t they find anyone from their own side that they have to take the help of a stalwart of the Congress Party?

    Amazing party.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    BJP is trying to re-cycle rejected goods of Congress. The list of such goods is endless.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    So what about their own goods – Modi, Advani, Gadkari and stalwarts of the erstwhile Jan Sangh? Not recyclable?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not recyclable?

    Absolutely right…these guys never got any good press…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Who’s to blame? Themselves or others!

    AshishC Reply:

    BJP has done all but advertise for a smart marketing and PR team they need very badly to counter the bad press they get.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Is that a project you are bidding for??

    Anonymous Reply:

    When you can work for Congress (Islami), why can’t Ashish work for BJP (Saffroni)?

    AshishC Reply:

    I know some folks.. but, no, thanks.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    That is an interesting point you have made. It calls for a new thread.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Honestly and believe me… since I know it from some good females in the media… they are biased agains the BJP as they feel that their newly wom freedoms of late nights, pubbiing, jeans and shorts and dating could just vanish in case a moralistic sarkar came into place.

    I think nitin gadkari should address a press conference seated in the midst of mini skirted girls to dispel these fears…

    Anonymous Reply:

    1) During NDA rule, women wanting favours/permissions from Sushma Swaraj were quietly advised to wear saris (no salwar kameez and no western outfits) when meeting her if they wanted to get their work done.

    2) In MP, there have been various attempts to enforce dress code on the college girls.

    3) The BJP adopted ambivalent stand on Ram Sene’s moral policing in Karnataka.

    Hence, the apprehension in the minds of young India about the BJP.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Unfortunately the trend in the congress is moral policing of the worst kind

    a) Misuse CBI, Income TAZA, ED and police to attack and terrorise anybody who attacks corruption and the corrupt.

    b) handout choice government position to toadies and hymn singers of the royal family

    c) Sonia mata tacitly encvourages conversions. Ambika Soni, Digviajy Singh, AJIT jOGI, YSR all became Christains to get a gaddi and chair.

    Manohar, dont run away from these facts,

    Anonymous Reply:

    What has Congress govt. done in Mumbai by closing down dance bars? Is this not moral policing?

    Sonia Gandhi being catholic surrounds herself with almost 60% christian leaders in her inner circle. I am sure she too will force Catholic agenda when time comes. I am pretty sure she has identical view on abortions as that of pope.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Another diversionary tactic to deflect attention from the negatives of the BJP. Vijay, you are so predictable and true to form – you and your fellow travellers have done it many times early.

    Granted that what you say may be true. The question is, must the BJP ape only the negatives from the Congress?
    Looks like, it is desperate to be B-team of the Congress. People are not interested in B or C teams, when thay can always have the A-team. Right?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The Congress only remembers Patel when they see an outsider admiring his statesmanship. Otherwise the nehru- gandy family is No 1,2,3 ,4,5,6……. 99.100.101…..

    of the Congress

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There may be truth in what you say, but that does not answer my question re: the BJP.

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  • Anonymous

    ====================================================================
    ~~ DISQUS FAILS ONCE– fails twice– fails forever! WHY NOT KICK IT OUT ?? ~~~
    =====================================================================

    The format of this new blog is surely tiresome, idiotic, slow, irritating.

    It has already driven away some good people like Raju, Gopi, Shoeb, Rizwan and so many others.

    But the HT – IT departments seems to be sold out on this idiot called Disqus.

    And now with this blog posting number touching 750, Disqus has stopped loading in my notebook.

    WHY WHY WHY …

    Can’t the HT people go back to the previous format?????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fully Agreed !!!
    (Do we notice we are afterall agreering on something here. :-) )

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    Yup!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Another thing – some wonderful discussions are lost here.
    HT’s IT has really screwed up.

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh, i wrote a few days ago in response to your post about OWS.i was flicking through Prof Ramachandran’s new book THE TELL TALE BRAIN.The bit on language did not convince me .As you know how language came into being is one of the most fascinating subject . According to Noam chomsky , it came suddenly from nowhere.
    According to professor, the brain responded with sounds that befits the object a kind of mimickimg , the M neuron. Then again the jaro tribe of andaman do not have a language , yet they are Homo Sapiens.Some primitive tibes have full compliment of words or a proper language ,as much primitive they may be in other ways ,like cannibalism in papua new ginea tribes.
    Then in British museum there is that ROSETTA STONE.This is the hieroglyphics which was first deciphered by Egyptologist Howard Carter.The plaque explains how to read the hieroglyphics. The cat stands for a sound meow , the eagle stands for the god as well as the sound horus. Now adding all these sounds words emerge.
    Then prior to this was CUNEIFORM SCRIPT , still standing in IRAN.only several variation of triangle denoting sounds.Then again the Assyrians produced the first complete drama GIGELMUSH some 1000 yrs before the egyptians.
    Your thought will be much appreciated

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  • Dr Mishra

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/287026/spot-fixing-imran-pained-at-jail-sentence-for-trio/

    pl see my own comment published there, it is the 10th comment from the top. what do u guys think ? anyways here goes I said-

    ‘ I, AN INDIAN, AM OUTRAGED BY THE STIFF SENTENCES. Over the top. I have seen teenagers, here in UK, mug an old age pensioner, steal his money and send him to hospital- and all they got was a community sentence- go clean the park !!!!

    I think the Pakistani cricket management, their embassy here WERE wrong FOR ALLOWING THEM TO UNDERGO TRIAL IN UK.

    remember, South Africans simply stayed away from India to avoid prosecution. ‘

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  • Anonymous

    Another of pandit mishra’s gaddari. Sell my soul to get british passport , then bad mouth the brits. Says a bit about this particular caste character.
    There was a news in NDTV today about a couple stabbled in broad daylight by some goons in a crowded place in Bombay , NOT A SINGLE ONLOOKER CAME FOR HELP.
    ALSO PANDIT SHOULD READ A LITTLE ABOUT THE NIHARI PSYCHOPATH SARDAR.
    As for pakistani cricketers , they are pakistani THUS STUPID, got caught.Like they blamed India when srilankan cricket team was attacked , or Gilani denying to Condolezza Rice ,that the perpetrators of Mumbai carnage came from pakistan.
    That the pakistanis got convicted is a LESSON INDIAN INVESTGATING AGENCY SHOULD DO WELL TO EMULATE.
    Special technical knowledge of retreiving deleted text messaages was provided by canadian police by virtue of BLACKBERRY ie RESEARCH IN MOTION being based in Canada.

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  • Anonymous

    Therefore?

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  • Anonymous

    YOU CAN SELL YOUR MOTHER FOR MONEY

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  • Anonymous

    WHY YOU DID NOT DEMAND APOLOGY FROM SONIA FOR 176000 CRORE

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  • Anonymous

    Dr SHAN OF AGRA ASYLUM, CINGULATE GYRUS, you know what I agrre you. Dr mishra is softie, I am glad that someone scred the pants out of pakistani cricket. Two points
    1. How come Shane Warne wasnt punished? Double stds ? 2. Dr shan, your style of posting remains VULGAR and content nonsensical.
    Animal like manners you have, most despised man on blog. Now 35.years and still unmarried

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  • Anonymous

    Ashish

    ———–
    Who’s to blame? Themselves or others!

    Your response.

    BJP has done all but advertise for a smart marketing and PR team they need very badly to counter the bad press they get.

    ———–

    What are your and other members/bloggers’ views on this?

    IMO, marketing and PR helps just, not beyond a certain point and that point is not very far. At the end of the day, one’s actions/deeds speak for oneself.

    Take for example, the Congress party today – it stands almost discredited in the eyes of the public. Marketing and PR is not going to help much. Only actions can help it regain lost ground (*).

    ==============

    * It seems they are already on the job,

    http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOIM/2011/11/04&PageLabel=14&EntityId=Ar01400&ViewMode=HTML

    CORNERED UPA EYES BILL BONANZA

    A) Govt to make it tough for criminal netas

    New Delhi:

    The government is proposing radical reforms to ensure decriminalization of politics and intends to table a bill in parliament’s winter session proposing to debar candidates facing trial in serious and heinous offences.
    At present, under the Representation of People Act, only persons convicted by a trial court and sentenced to more than two years imprisonment are debarred from elections for a period of six years from the date of completion of the prison term. This allows persons facing multiple murder charges to contest elections. Moreover, even if a sitting MP or MLA is convicted and sentenced to more than two years jail, he continues to be a people’s representative and can attend parliament or assembly if he files an appeal in a higher court and gets a stay on the conviction.
    The proposed bill, first reported by TOI on June 17, is going to be strict on such exigencies and says those who are chargesheeted for murder, terrorism, rape, dacoity and similar offences would be debarred from contesting elections till the trial court acquits them.
    The bill is part of the larger bouquet of anticorruption measures the government has embarked upon to blunt the attacks it has faced from Team Anna. It plans to pass three legislations: Lokpal bill, judicial standards and accountability bill and whistleblowers protection bill in the winter session. The proposed amendments also include withdrawing immunity to sitting MPs and MLAs.
    The government intends to force an elected representative to resign from his membership from parliament or assembly the moment a trial court finds him guilty of an offence and sentences him to more than two years

    B) Will food bill be 2014 poll’s loan-waiver?

    New Delhi:

    Starting next fiscal, the National Food Security Act (NFSA) will be rolled out in phases running up to the parliamentary polls in what could be an attempt to do a loan-waiver rerun in 2014.
    The government has finalized the bill, bringing it substantially closer to the National Advisory Council (NAC) recommendations.
    The government has resolved most of the issues that were at variance with the NAC’s suggestions and intends to finalize and table the bill in the winter session of parliament.
    The bill is likely to take a “life-cycle approach” with provisions for all — infants to senior citizens — by converging various schemes into a set of entitlements under the food law.
    The Integrated Child Development Scheme, Mid-day Meal programme and Janani Suraksha scheme for would-be mothers would be brought in as entitlements under the proposed Act.
    The provisions for old-age pensions, run by Union rural development ministry, is likely to be kept in the food law as a directive principle rather than an explicit entitlement.
    “We are following a womb-to-tomb philosophy,” an official said.
    The government has also decided to go midway in meeting NAC’s recommendation on provisions under the public distribution system. The Sonia Gandhi-led panel had suggested that ‘general category’ (above poverty line) should get 20kg of foodgrains as compared to the 35kg provided to the ‘priority category’.
    The first government draft instead scaled it down to 3kg per individual for ‘general’ category (five-person per family). Now, the Centre proposes to add “minimum” to this 3kg, with the provision to increase it with improvement in procurement and production of grains.

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  • Anonymous

    @Balls the Troll(a name given by Ashish)
    SHANE WARNE WAS SUSPENDED FOR ONE YEAR FOR TAKING DIURETICS TO REDUCE WEIGHT
    As for your lot in Punjab Police
    The Chandigarh detective leading the hunt for the fugitive suspect in the killing

    of a British schoolgirl has been taken off the case amid mounting frustration at Punjab

    police’s failure to make an arrest in over four months of inquiries.
    Detective inspector Dinkar Gupta has been replaced by inspector-general

    Ravinder Gupta as head of the unit tasked with

    tracking Maninder Pal Singh Kohli

    He has evaded police since his arrival in India on March 18, days after the rape and murder of 17-year-old Hannah Foster in southern England.

    Kohli, 35, was last seen on March 28, as he left his brother, policeman Ishtpreet Singh’s Chandigarh home after receiving a late-night telephone call from the UK. He had arrived unexpectedly some nine days earlier, claiming he wished to visit their ailing mother.
    Kohli told the court he had “full faith” in Punjab Police. He was accused of obtaining a fake Indian passport to escape from India after the police turned the heat on him last year.

    Incidentally, it was during their stay in Chandigarh, the capital city of Punjab state from where Kohli hailed, that Hannah’s parents – Hilary and Trevor – got the news that he had been arrested in West Bengal.

    The British couple cut short their 10-day trip to India, especially Punjab, when it was confirmed the man caught was actually Kohli.

    Kohli was settled in Southampton with his wife and children when he committed the crime March 14 last year. He worked as a delivery truck driver. Kohli fled Britain two days after Hannah’s body was found March 16 last year

    THIS IS THE THE PICTURE BRITS GET ABOUT INDIANS DUE TO THE ACT OF A FEW FROM YOUR BIRADRI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    This bengali-punjabi nonsense has to stop. You hate everyone except Bengalis and Gora Sahibs. I am sure you don’t really believe that but you still keep doing it just to win some points over balwinder (whom I find very immature for his age).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is not a question of bengali vs sardar , nor it is ever HINDU VS ISLAM(IN YOUR CASE) , i am a rational humanist , it is more a case of NEWTON’S THIRD LAW OF MOTION.
    As for my “real” views read my post to mahesh , sent yesterday.

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  • Anonymous

    The only hope of a discredited Congress Party lies in communalizing the political environment of the country. So 10 Janpath has given a supari to Digvijay Singh and he is going about his task with single minded devotion. In the process, Digvijay Singh feels that political gain shall accrue to him too , because he can aspire to become the darling of the Muslims. Whether this last ditch gameplan of the Congress shall succed for the UP elections …only time will tell. Will Salman Khurshid be announced as the CM candidate ?… possible …But what the Congress is able to do to bring back the middle-class, the Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev hit constituency, is something to be seen. The BJP’s failure to set up a winning team in UP is a factor which favours the Congress.
    If Manmohan is removed , as sometimes press reports indicate , the Sikhs who appear to forgotten the 1984 massacre , and developed a certain fondness for the Congress may desert and the memories of 1984 may come back .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress is playing a very dangerous game in UP using reservations to polarize muslims. It is also using caste card by openly wooing Dalits and is pitting them against OBCs. I see Congress as BJP + BSP combined in its nature of politics..It is not only communal but also casteist.

    However most of the congressis are blind to this naked truth because it suits them as Congress keeps the atmosphere in the country conducive to Corruption.

    The congress vote bank in UP will be-
    1. Polarized muslims for reservation.
    2. BJP hating muslims.
    3. Muslims still miffed with Mulayam
    4. Dalits not happy with Mayawati
    5. Corrupt Hindus & Muslims who want status quo.
    6. Rapidly increasing christian population

    I see approx. 75 seats for Congress+.

    The next UP govt. will be formed by SP (OBC party) supported by Congress. The irony is that Congress votebank is pitted against SP votebank but both will share power and make a fool of their respective votebank.
    SP will probably get 125-150 seats.

    As for BJP, it will get support from its traditional base and may end up with 50 odd seats. Later it will loose some of its BIKAU its MLA to ruling alliance. I see no hope for BJP.

    In case of BSP, I am sure it will loose big percentage of muslim votes to Congress, small percentage of Dalit votes and Brahmin votes. It may get approx. 150+ seats.

    It is going to be hung assembly but SP-Congress-RLD will muster workable majority unless BSP-BJP join ranks and RLD kind of actors switch sides.

    Another scenario is that Congress+ will join BSP and help BSP form the govt. but I think it is easier for Congress to control tame Mulayam using CBI than confrontational Mayawati.

    My last observation…This statue obsession will cost very dear to Mayawati. I see many of her statue getting demolished under future SP-Congress corrupt regime.

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  • Anonymous

    Thanks so much DR SHAN CINGULATE for yr reply. You evaded question sirji. How come a doctor like you, ??????, debates in vulgar fashion. Pl you answer, does yr father know you blog with abuses .

    Did he read about your almost infant like approach to solving Kashmir problem 3 days ago? Divide 5 million Kashmiris into 3 groups and LITERALLY RELOCATE them to different valleys. !!!!!!!!!!!
    Pl tell me you were on LSD when u said that. Seriously, you are doctor ??????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    yaar, band karo ye jgalbandi..real tired of you guys.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    changee baat keeti, Rajeev. Shan behaves like dignity doctor, I leave him alone. We cant handle 500 kashmiri boys throwing rocks- tell me RAJEEV- can we really split 5 million Kashmiris into 3 valleys ????? Rajeev you tell me this is NOT garbage proposal, I will go to sleep ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder,
    It is difficult to handle 5000 stone pelting NON-VIOLENT kashmiris because they are fully supported by pakistan and almost all the muslim countries. Brutally suppressing will invite wrath of 57 muslim countries which can start global jihad against India in India and elsewhere. The muslims have perfected art of using threat of violence and direct violence to get things their way.

    The chinese are able to suppress Tibetan because in their eyes non-violent tibetan are terrorist and even so-called free western world turns a blind eye to their cause. No one has any sympathy for Tibetan because they plead peacefully, never threat with violence and are not backed by Buddhist countries.

    The best solution to Kashmir is-
    1. Separate non-muslim areas i.e Jammu and Ladakh from J&K and turn them into union territory
    2. Grant Kashmir valley total autonomy.
    3. Turn rest of muslim majority areas into Autonomous UT with aim to integrate it in greater unified J&K minus kashmir valley.
    4. Put pressure on Pak regarding PoK especially Gilgit-Baltistan.
    5. Keep raising issue of CoK (Aksai chin) on international forum.

    Basically divide our kashmir without violence and raise questions over occupied parts of kashmir under Pak and China the future axis of evil.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pump enough steroids into SM Krishna and make him a lion, to do all these things.

    Make Manmohan Singh eat chyavan prash two tea-spoonfuls thrice everyday to make him heard by his own party.

    Make our future prime minister, Amul Baby drink Dashamoolarshta half a cup thrice a day to make his thinking brain cells grow.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,
    Couple of months back Vijay Kumar was busy advocating tri-furcation of J & K . His another favourite being balkanisation of Pakistan.
    You might want to start with Vijay Kumar for trifurcation of J & K.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mahesh

    I still propogate the trifurcation of Jammu , Ladakh and Kashmir. My propsal is moving around the Internet. And also posted on various forums which are genuinly interested in solving the problem of terrorism.

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  • Anonymous

    There is a fresh raise in the petrol prices

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Nice cartoon. They should have shown Sonia doing the job..poor MMS gets blamed for being a mere spectator.

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  • Anonymous

    @rajeevS, this was my post to mahesh , IT DOES NOT INVOLVE ISLAM BASHING , SO NOT SURE HOW MUCH IT WILL INTEREST YOU(Oh yes it has no bengali or any parochial concerns)
    @mahesh, i wrote a few days ago in response to your post about OWS.i was flicking through Prof Ramachandran’s new book THE TELL TALE BRAIN.The bit on language did not convince me .As you know how language came into being is one of the most fascinating subject . According to Noam chomsky , it came suddenly from nowhere.
    According to professor, the brain responded with sounds that befits the object a kind of mimickimg , the M neuron. Then again the jaro tribe of andaman do not have a language , yet they are Homo Sapiens.Some primitive tibes have full compliment of words or a proper language ,as much primitive they may be in other ways ,like cannibalism in papua new ginea tribes.
    Then in British museum there is that ROSETTA STONE.This is the hieroglyphics which was first deciphered by Egyptologist Howard Carter.The plaque explains how to read the hieroglyphics. The cat stands for a sound meow , the eagle stands for the god as well as the sound horus. Now adding all these sounds words emerge.
    Then prior to this was CUNEIFORM SCRIPT , still standing in IRAN.only several variation of triangle denoting sounds.Then again the Assyrians produced the first complete drama GIGELMUSH some 1000 yrs before the egyptians.
    Your thought will be much appreciated

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    Anonymous Reply:

    SHAN MONDOL, you are disparate for company, so u go running to Rajeeev, Rajeev pl talk to me about hieroglyphics – of course after you have slimily insulted Rajeev by implying Rajeev is only interested in Islam bashing. WAH !!! what a gutter rat you are SHAN CINGULATE

    Did U read about your almost infant like approach to solving Kashmir problem 3 days ago? Divide 5 million Kashmiris into 3 groups and LITERALLY RELOCATE them to different valleys. !!!!!!!!!!!
    Pl tell me you were on LSD when u said that. Seriously, you are doctor ?????? We cant handle 500 kashmiri boys throwing rocks-

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    Anonymous Reply:

    how many times i have reminded you , this is heavy stuff , beyond a kabuterbaj to appreciate. Better stick to what you do best Sucking up to pandit mishra and buffonery

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    Ravi Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Will post a detailed response later on the Chomsky topic.

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  • Anonymous

    Shan,
    The Hindus and Muslims have a history between them starting from invasion, conversion, partition to terrorism and more terrorism.
    In fact both punjabis and bengalis have faced maximum brunt of muslim violence especially during partition but bengalis suffered one more time in 1971…and are still suffering.

    However I see no history of any conflict between bengalis and punjabis..

    There was a hindu called Jaichand who had conflict with fellow hindu Prithviraj Chauhan..He played in the hands of enemies and rest is history…You can guess who is Jaichand here?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think he can be called Jai chand and Mir jaffar combined :)

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    engrich Reply:

    bengalis suffered at the hands of brhmns not muslims.during muslim rule bengal was sonar bangla.brhmn british robbery of that area converted this to bhoot bangla.it is mainly because of brhmncl apartheism that majority converted to islam.
    high caste punjabi khatris and baniyas were always close to power ,hence there is no record of their suffering.1947 blood bath was planned and perpetuated by rss.they were calling for population transfer.copying the european jews they started saying that ,muslim-hindu cannot live together which is bullshit.we are living together from thousnds of years.
    in central india brhmns were main ally of muslims.nobody can show any literature written by them against muslim rule.therre was not even any underground movement against muslim rule.
    tilak ignited hindu-muslim animosity with result that first communal riot took place in 1890 at sitara,maharashtra.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You can fabricate history on how majority bengalis converted to Islam on their own.. You always blame Jews and Brahmins for everything..but never for your birth or your prophet’s.

    How do you explain genocide of hindu bengalis during 1947 and 1971 (during Bangladesh struggle). This is part of modern history. You can always brush pre-1947 history by blaming brahminism but what about now?

    Why don’t you google ‘deganga riots’ and see if you can blame brahmins again and defend muslims?

    You arguments are based mostly on your hatred not on real facts..

    You are basically a fascist wahabi who has no respect for non-wahabi. Bloody Wahabi.

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  • engrich

    Anna Hazare’s Gandhian stunts to fool innocent Indians
    Neither the anti-corruption crusader, Anna Hazare, nor his opponents in the govt. are above corruption. Because corruption (meaning money corruption).flows from the top. It is the ruling upper castes, as the leaders of society, who taught us corruption. And that is how the whole society is today buried in corruption. There is not a single wing of the society which is free from corruption.

    Hazare defends the corrupt: If the current “Khatri Sick” PM or future PMs are free from corruption, why are they afraid of including the office of the PM in LokPal Bill?

    If Anna Hazare is lily white why did he defend Narendra Modi, the killer, and also the country’s most corrupt CM of Karnataka? Anna Hazare is said to be a Gandhian-but it is the Muslims, Christians and Sikhs who became victims of Gandhi and his Gandhism

    Dr. Ambedkar, the Father of India, called Gandhi a top class fraud in his writing and speeches.
    The whole excercise on Lokpal Bill is a waste of time. The frauds on both sides are united while publicly quarreling. But they are secretly trying to take the country on a joy ride, and thereby fool all of us. This is what is happening in the current Anna Hazare’s Gandhian drama

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  • Anonymous

    Today is Haj. Tommorow Eid Al Adha which is called Bakri Eid in India will
    be celeberated in this part of the world.

    I wish all the fellow bloggers EID MUBARAK.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eid Mubarak to all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eid Mubarak to alllllllllllll

    In case a debate on this blog from my side has hurt any religious feeling… leave it aside. Celeberate Eid……. !!!

    Especially for Rizwan, Shoeb, Mirza, Usman, Khalid and all.
    To Dr Alam, well as I understand, you are a bit of an agnostic. But still Eid Mubarak…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eid Mubarak…and I hope they clean up public places where they carry our Qurbani..

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  • Anonymous

    @rajeevs,There were two guys called JAGAT SETH AND UMICHAND, who hatched all the plans including inducting mirzafar in the plot , so as do a SPOT FIXING in the BATTLE OF PLASSEY , which gave way to 300 yrs of FIRANGI RULE.
    Guess where JAGAT SETH AND UMICHAND originally hailed from.and who has all the traits of sucking to the foreigner FOR PERSONAL ENRICHMENT(read emigration)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Same sucking of foreigners goes on here as well…what’s the change?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    People who couldn’t wait to take the first flight available to USA only for personal enrichment , its a bit rich lecturing others , in USA do the indians not suck up to the yanks , or yanks are not foreigners are they

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Not all desis suck up to Goras…You are a rule than an exception…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well one desi who could not wait to get the first flight out of india to reach USA , will be seen by a neutral as an example of sucking gone mad.the same desi is staying put in USA, and probably proudly FLAUNTS his US PASSPORT in Indian Airports.The same desi sang STAR SPANGLED BANNER, and probably flies proudly STARS AND STRIPES to be more yank than a yank , let a DOT BUSTER doesn’t throw a pile of shit through the letter box.
    I follow Akio Morita , who said “I beleive in total immersion” (page number of his autobiography will be provided).Yet I do hold an INDIAN PASSPORT, DESPITE AMPLE SCOPE TO AVAIL THE BRITISH ONE.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aap Mahaan ho…Without taking british citizenship, you are more british than british…

    I dread for the day when you will become a brit citizen.

    Your attitude on this blog is “Tum Saala Hindustani…”.

  • Anonymous

    ‎”Koi Tumhare ghar ke darwaje par paan thuke to tum use saaf karo”
    -Gandhi

    !
    !
    !

    Par yaad rakhna,wo paan ki thuk USKI chaddi utar ke saaf karna.
    -Narendra Modi.

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    Ravi Reply:

    और पान की थूक साफ़ करने के बाद उसकी चड्डी मोदी के मुहं पर फेरना
    -Ravi

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    Ajay kohli Reply:

    Why not your face, you loser !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    lame…absolutely lame… :)

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  • Anonymous

    Hazare’s blogger reveals unpublished post on Team Anna

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2600818.ece?homepage=true

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  • Anonymous

    Godhra riot witness killed in Ahmedabad

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Godhra-riot-witness-killed-in-Ahmedabad/Article1-765064.aspx

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Who is under suspicion??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No idea. We will have to wait as to what the Gujarat Police have to say about it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like Congressmen killed him to malign Modi govt…Ek bakra bakr-eid pe halal ho gaya.

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  • Anonymous

    Aur kuchh? Or is that the limit of your …….. (fill in the blanks yourself)?

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  • Anonymous

    Poor chap..Harrassed by Congress’s partner BSP.

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  • Anonymous

    A very interesting insight
    ————————————

    GONE IN 50 SECONDS

    How the speeding up of its assembly line at Manesar brought Maruti to a screeching halt

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2601780.ece?homepage=true

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar_T, outstanding article , OPENED MY EYES, well NOW YOU KNOW HOW CHINA HAS GRABBED THE WORLD MARKET, prison labour, slave wages , no union.GERMANY AND USA WILL NOT TOLERATE SUCH INHUMAN PRACTICE,
    infact LET SUZUKI DARE REPLICATE THIS PRACTICE IN USA , will be sued and MADE BANKRUPT.Health and safety laws are so strict in Europe and particularly UK

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It looks a bit inhuman. Workers have been turned into robots. I wonder whether Indian labour laws permit such a taxing schedule, especially re: short lunch and one tea break.

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  • Anonymous

    ============================================================
    ~~~ AS PREDICTED BY VIJAY ~~~ Indian press starts batting for Imran Khan ~~
    ==============================================================

    Imran Khan is really going to be the danger for India as he is capable of using all means foul like ball tampering and match fixing to get his result. With the Indian press smitten by him, they are now propping up a cause who is dumb enough yet motivated to light the fires of an Indo-Pak confrontation.

    He may think it is another of those matches in Sharjah, where Pakistan scored and Indians crumbled for reasons including fixed Umpires and Dawood Ibrahim match fixing. All the time a section of the Indian press and media built him up.

    Now look aat the coverage he is getting. After the NDTV show where NDTV just laid a red carpet for him, even though he nustified terrorism and did not consider the attaccks on Indians by Hizbul and Kashmir militants as terror, Outlook and Headlines Today are building up this goon. They do not realise that the more they build him up, the more the Pakistanis will root for him.

    Quite tellingly, Imran has appointed Shireen Mazhari as his expert on Defence. For people who know the Pakistani setup, Shireen Mazhari is a big big sipoortter of LeT, ISI and insurgency. She called the Parliament attack in India and the Kandhar hijack as those staged by RAW. !!!!!

    Very very funny !!!!!!

    But sad.

    Becasue our older Pakistani hands like Kuldip nayar, Khushwant SIngh, Jawed naqvi etc etc will rush for a bottle of Viagra on seeing Shireen Mazhari and accept her lies. ….,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viagra doesn’t come in bottles, in comes in tablet in plastic strips.The dose for you would be 20 mg to start with . Take 30 mins before jumping your toy gun. Also it will need prior stimulation , it wont be able to start the stiffening , it will only maintain or prolong it. Most likely you are a smoker so you may need it.
    YOU HAVE JUST SAVED YOURSELF 160 POUNDS IN CONSULTATION

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Cingulate

    Am fortunate enough not to require it till date. Anyway I am NOT a smoker… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Cingulate,

    you have just revealed your doze for getting it up.
    Don’t take anything stronger, it may co-agulate and cingulate may cingularly fail to click and continue to be a prick.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Fantastic !!! HAHAHHHAH !!

    U just diagnosed this pyscho doctor perfectly!!

    let us send him to agra or any asylum!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, psychos become psychos because of malfunction of the sex organs or their inability to perform in bed in a healthy way.

    This cingulate is cingularly unfortunate to be afflicted by the malfunctioning, which has also resulted in his huge psychotic outpourings here on this blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If I didn’t know the dose , General medical Council will strike me off the register.As for your case , you are angry BECAUSE VIAGRA DOESN’T WORK IN YOUR CASE, which is well known in severe case of impotence . However you can try vaccum suction pump. then again your problem may be your lack of interest in the legal one , as she is well past the post.
    what you desire is one of the workers in your garment factory.AGAIN YOU HAVE SAVED YOURSELF 160 POUNDS IN CONSULTATION

  • Ravi

    …..

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  • Ravi

    Complete and utter balderdash, the output of a paranoid fundo.

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  • Anonymous

    @ RAVI

    RAVAN= RA-1 = RA-V1= RAVI

    RA-1 is getting plastered.

    Your nemesis V1 =Vijay 1 flies high !!

    Don’t wake up a sleeping lion.

    And get plastered once again…..

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  • Ravi

    Shan

    Paranoia comes in bottles, though. It is made by Distillers.

    Mr Khapodia is a bit more ambitious, he wants to save the nation.

    Or at least he wants to create a NEW HAUWA and frighten the children back into the fold of his mentor, the BJP.

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  • Ravi

    Pathetic juvenile trash

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  • Anonymous

    Darpok and scared RA-1= RA-V1= RAVI rushes to Shan for support !!

    Ra-v1 , Darr lage toh gaana gaa
    LeT ki _ _ _ _ mein chupp jaa !!!

    H aha haha !! HA HAA

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  • Anonymous

    @vijay khapodia, pandit smug B mishra, and his sidekick , balls the trolls
    READ ABOUT BHAWANDER DEVI , the missing nurse from rajasthan , and how the entire administration was shagging one poor nurse including GEHLOT. and recorded it on CD.
    Talking about Morality in the west .
    LOOK IN THE MIRROR , before pontificating the west

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bhanwari devi was having sex with 3 Congress minsters…Group sex..Never thought Congressmen were seriously following Gandhi’s experiment with Truth..I mean sex, so seriously.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congressmen follow only some of the things Gandhi did, particularly eccentic ones, which they themselves can copy and improvise.

    They have long ago given the go by to the good things Gandhiji held dear and practised throughout his life.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    cingulate who cannot ejaculate

    Everyone finds you a joker and a keshto mukherji. So why cause more hysteria by your ramblings !!

    ha hahhaha !!

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  • Anonymous

    Something mentally sick about you, dr shan cingulate, something very cheap, pointless and vulgar. A doctor behaves so ?????????

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~BREAKING NEWS!! ~~ Nirodh choudhry seen running around Kent wearing a condom on his head !!!! HAA HA HA HAHHA AA
    ==============================================================

    BBC Headline News : One Dr Nirodh Choudhary has been seen running around the streets of kent and London wearing a condom on his face and head and on his hands !!!

    the Angolo saxons of UK are running away scared and the Asians are crying that one of their breeds has shamed Indians, Pakistanis and bangladeshis.

    But TV channels are laughing. Haha ahahah !! hahhah HA HAHAH !!

    How did this happen ???

    Apparently This Cingulate who cannot ejaculate went to a condom company trying to sell one his ideas for contraception. Schering the company found the idiot so ridiculous that they just called their guards…. and forcefully put condoms on head to just shut him up !!

    Ha ha hahahhah!!

    Then his colleguea put sondoms on his hands to stip him for typing nonsense !!!!

    H ahhahha HA HAHAH !!

    Since then Mr Cingulate…unable to ejaculate has been running thru london and essex streets!!

    Scotland Yard has been asked to send him to a mental asylum and also check out his fake degree !!!

    HA HAHHHAHAHHAHA

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay khanna, the khap pradhan.HE IS RILED, HE CAN SEE THE REFLECTION OF HIS IMAGE , for gehlot you can easily substitute him , HOw MANY BHANWAR DEVI he has used as PRASAD , to get his contract for building. like any prasad , he had a little bite before offering it to others. OH YES HE IS A WALKING TALKING AUTHORITY ON SOHO AND THE ALL THE TARTS THAT PLY THEIR TRADE IN SOHO , and this is his own admission

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  • Anonymous

    Somrthing very sick, vulgar and pointless about you, Dr Shan Mondol, cultureless slime

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Something utterly brainless in your useless postings balwinder bhondhu

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  • Dr Mishra

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdU9b34dPUQ&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=08jV-EaGOh0

    Rajeev did have a point

    DOES COW AND CAMEL SLAUGHTER HAVE TO BE DONE IN SO CRUEL A MANNER, ON THE STREETS

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    engrinch Reply:

    qurbani should not be allowed to be done by individuals.only slaughterhouses should be allowed to do this.there should be concentrated educational programme to change the shape of this cruel tradition.things should change with time.i never do this instead give equivalen money to poors.
    christians slaughter7million turkeys in christmas.hindus too have tradition like this specially in nepal.i hate all these traditions.

    i agree with u dr.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Engrich, If all muslims held views like you , it would be a different religion.Same hatred you can extend to some more islamic traditions , like three talaq divorce, having four wives , minimum age of marriage 13 , circumcision (male and female) foe RELIGIOUS reasons.
    blasphemy law , not able to draw or act out the life of prophet in a film , giving importance to a garbage called hadis , written 800yrs after death of prophet from hearsay

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    engrinch Reply:

    as per islam 3 talaq should be within period of 9 months.first talaq then after 3 moths go to qazi.then qazi will ask u to come after 3 months if u say yes he will give u another 3 months after 3 months u can take judgement.so total period of 9 months.
    this is better than catholic way wherre if u are incompatible,go to hell waste u life.in india talaq talaq talaq is not true islamic way.this is uppression of women.in china and india women are suppressed and murdered in all faiths not only by muslims.

    muslim marriage laws are better than christian marriage laws .where women becomes millionaire by obtaining 2-3 divorces.in catholicism u waste half ur life to get divorce.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Qurbani, qurbani, qurbani,
    Allah ko pyaari hai qurbani!

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    engrinch Reply:

    allah ko apni qurbani pyaree hai .our allah is rabbulalmeen not rabbul muslemeen.he loves all his creature equally irrespective of caste creed religion or color.islam is only message.
    any how thanks.

    Ravi Reply:

    In Vedas, the word Balidan figures very frequently and is given devine importance.

    How is that different from qurbani?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    you will be surprised and also shocked to know the amount of cruelty employed in the street slaughter of cows in the holy name of Bakrid. Near where I am staying, there is a colony, where for the last three, four weeks, several cows have been tied to poles outside the houses.

    Today, they are slaughtered, in the full view of children, who too enjoy the free flow of blood and intestines. The uneaten flesh is hung on ropes outside every house for drying and use later.

    This is a small example of the followers of a religion which professes compassion and kindness!

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    engrinch Reply:

    in muslim countries animals are slaughtered in abbetiors .but in india there is law.everybody is free to destroy our roads infrastructure.this apply to all religionss

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  • Anonymous

    Dr. Shaan Nirad Babu,

    I think this is what you do to your unfortunate, hapless patients, who run the risk of losing their limbs if they come anywhere near you:

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  • AshishC

    Eid Mubarak to all..
    I love all festivities- especially those that promise food at the end. Have a couple of evening invitations- need to discreetly compare the menus on offer before deciding :)

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    engrinch Reply:

    thanks ashish u are always great.

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  • AshishC

    Manohar,
    not very regular here anymore.. came back today to browse.
    Conventional marketing and PR is so passe’.
    The Congress has managed PR through public patronage of important policy making bodies, thought influencers including but not limited to- Indian History Congress, ICHR, ICCR, central and state universities social sciences departments and so on for the last 60 years.
    So, most if not all products of these institutes are knowingly or unknowingly biased.
    That is the PR machinery that the BJP is up against; that is the media which rails against BJP.
    It is no surprise that the only “opposition” in the media to the Congress is from lefter than left publications- and on issues of economy, social justice where the pace set by Congress (or anyone) will be always found wanting. They are the guys who took their lessons in the classroom seriously and/ or extended the reasoning to the logical conclusion.
    The Indian media does not debate policy issues- with exceptions that are sadly few and far between. It spends time on whether Modi should be wearing a skull cap or not- as if it would make a difference. The national pastime with atmospherics is fuelled by the media to deflect attention from real failures of policy formulation and execution.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I hope if you do not mind, then from behind the Janana Chilman (Where the pulpit pit-bull, the self appointed Pontiff of Pontefract has put me) I would like to respond to some of the points you make.

    I am not sure if you are suggesting that “The Congress Party of India” or the Government of India patronises such institutions and thought influencing bodies, as the Indian History Congress, etc.

    If it is “The Congress Party of India” (a political party) then that is plainly wrong. However, if it is the Government of India, then that is hardly avoidable. During the BJP regime, such patronage continued, in fact there was a lot of accusation against them gerrymandering the received History of India.

    Furthermore, more or less the same accusation can be made against the myriad of similar organisations that belong to the BJP, from the top of my head I can name Dr Shayama Prasad Mookherjee (complete with Walrus Moustache) research body which issues fellowships and has paid journalists, like Tarun Vijay, who for ever keep harping about Hindu this and Hindu that.

    Their version of the History is almost fictional. They have been accused of press ganging History to serve an alien political ideology.

    I am afraid I do not buy the image “butter would not melt in BJP’s mouth” that you wish to promote here. As far as political shenanigans are concerned there is hardly any difference between the INC and the BJP.

    Media, the world over – not just in India – like to indulge in trivial gestures rather than policies, the electronic media more so than the print media. This is more likely to be because their focus gropus are telling them that Policy Discussions are boring, and Rath Yatra, marginally more interesting but even that is now boring.

    Soon even fasting will be passé.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    However, if it is the Government of India, then that is hardly avoidable.
    In which civilized country would you find the government doing such blatant thought control?
    The issue is not that of BJP/ Congress. It is a fact that Congress has used the state patronage to bring up generations of “sabka malik ek” brand of social scientists and journalists (for a detailed explanation of this term, you have to ask SKS_Mumbai at his twitter handle!)
    How do you know what is fictional and what is not? Oh, well, don’t tell me, I know.
    Do you know the topic of this blog post? That is not trivia? I rest my case.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Now who is sulking.

    Every single Government by virtue of Grants/tax breaks, patronises NGO’s most of which are involved in thought control.

    If you are at a stage where you are unable to realise what is a historically sustainable explanation of our past versus a belief system dressed up as history, then I am an afraid we do not even have a shared starting point, let alone any common ground.

    To brand a vast body of Historical studies as JNU type is intellectual lethergy of the extreme (pun intended)

    AshishC Reply:

    we do not even have a shared starting point, let alone any common ground.
    Ravi, this is idle banter.
    Do realise that most academia is quite barren, intellectually and those that I referred to us “true savants” sometime back are few and far between.
    When your PhD, your employment and your getting invited to junkets and conferences are determined by your political leanings, it will take a brave man to stand up and be counted.
    ICCR, ICHR, central univs like JNU, DU etc are not NGOs. Trust me, I know merit when I see it. I have, on HT blogs paid my homage to many of the leading historians of AMU (eg Habib) and JNU (Chandra and Thapar) and DU (Sumit Sarkar)- I have read text books in history by them, dammit and been taught by their acolytes. It does not mean I suspend my critical faculties and fail to see the utter nonsense that the teaching of social sciences is degenerating into.
    I hire people; interview scores of young kids. I see their lack of depth and I cringe.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I could not agree more with this comment. To put it in another way , whereas the Left and the Congress has been succesful in winning the battle of the minds to a great extent and bringing their own agenda centre-stage ; the so called “Right” been succesful only in throwing up random emotive issues, which so far have not left a lasting impression. I think this is the gravest mistake which the “Right” made in not attaching much importance to Media and fora like ICCR, ICHR etc By the time they realized the importance of these bodies , it was too late

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    IMO, a too simplistic view. Ravi have more or less articulated my views.

    Since 90s (or perhaps earlier) , the BJP has been preoccupied with the (imaginary) battles of us-vs-others – (read Hindutvawadis – vs – Muslims/Christians in that order to consolidate its vote bank – nothing wrong with the end, but means highly questionable. This works for a short time, because such emotive issues to do not fill one’s stomach and do not secure anyone’s future. That these battles became violent and many lives were lost may also explain the repugnance of the majority of the people towards such outfits and its ideology and naturally the consolidation did not achieve critical mass. It wasted the chance it got in 1998/99 to have a major say. The six years were “spent” in attempts to rewrite history to “justify” the supremacy of its own kind and show the other side to be evil and devil incarnate.

    It seems it has realised (I am not so sure – perhaps it has, but for some unknown reasons is in denial) that these do not pay and that ‘roti, kapda, makaan, paani and sadak’ are the issues, but the damage has been done and it will take a long time for people to say let bygones be bygones, subject to “good conduct” by the BJP.

    I will not elaborate on the present woes and tactics of the party, which has not been helping it either, rather making it worse for them to be taken seriously. It seems it is banking on the negative vote against the Congress for it to be returned to power. Will work to some extent.

    I do not agree with your contention that the named institutions and similar have helped the Congress to market and PR itself. The rural voters (majority) do not even know that these exist, so where is the question of they getting influenced.

    The print media does debate policy issues in depth. The question is has the BJP come up with its views on any major real problems/issues facing the nation in the recent past? None to my mind, all it does is to react to the shenanigans and (mis)deeds of the Congress Party. It offers no solutions. For example, it says the UPA must bring back the money slashed abroad. How? It does not say so.

    It is the electronic media which has been extremely juvenile in focusing on the skull caps. As it has been mentioned – who wants to see a malnourished hungry children and adults in some hamlet on the TV screens?

    Another point to consider – can marketing and PR help sell a suspect product?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Is this “good conduct” by the BJP?

    ‘House may be stalled if fuel hike not withdrawn’

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NorthIndia/House-may-be-stalled-if–fuel-hike-not-withdrawn/Article1-765996.aspx

    No Sir, if you ask me.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Will I be right in describing the present BJP as a “protest grioup” trying to behave like a political party.


    ‘House may be stalled if fuel hike not withdrawn’

    This behaviour is no different than Shiv Sena antics.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    It certainly seems so. Street level politics (indulged in by the likes of Shiv Sena, Mamta Bannerjee and the likes) is sought to be brought to the august house. The BJP is a fast learner.

    In this regard, I have an issue with the presiding officers on disruption of the proceedings in the house. The speaker/chairman are extremely indulgent. They must summarily suspend any member(s) who try and stop the functioning of the house. It beats me, as to why no such action is taken (all they do is adjourn the house), thereby criminally wasting tax payer’s money and no work gets done.

    As I see it, the dilemma the BJP faces is that it is trying to stand on two stools 1) to retain its committed vote bank 2) to appeal to wider sections of the society. Hence, it ambivalent stand on issues and oppose for the sake of opposing.

    Take the question of petrol price hike – in the news link, the BJP says( rather preaches) the petrol can be sold at Rs 34 to Rs 36 per litre. It does not occur to it that a good chunk of the taxes are levied by the state governments and the states it rules are loathe and refuse to lower the taxes. Practice before you preach is not in its lexicon. The same applies to Mamta Bannerjee and the likes. They always want others to make sacrifices. Our oil import bill is US$ 100 billion dollars does not seem to bother these “sympathisers” of the people.

    The subsidy culture spawned by us, has permeated among haves, (the subsidies were meant for the have-nots in the first place). These same haves do not raise an eye brow if their favourite restaurant raises its prices.

    AshishC Reply:

    A stray response..
    http://shogun1947.blogspot.com/2008/12/why-is-petrol-price-high-in-india.html
    this is rather old data; do you have new data in support of your (implied) thesis that the state taxes are a bigger component than central taxes?
    I agree though with you (and Lord Desai on TV the other night) that petrol subsidies only help the top 5-10% of Indians- so, whether it is commies or Mamata or BJP (or even Congress party- asking for a rollback) are actually supporting the rich!

    Anonymous Reply:

    That was the point I was making about the rich and the powerful managing to make a big noise about being “looted” by the Government/PSUs, through these political outfits. The poor be damned.

    I did not say that the state taxes are more than the central taxes. BTW, as you are aware – the central taxes get shared with the states. So in a roundabout way, the states’ share must be more.

    I should have included the Congress party in that list. So here goes and gets included. No exceptions – all political parties will take positions that they think will benefit them (the parties).

    AshishC Reply:

    Yeah, I loved Lord Desai’s performance on that show- finger wagging and all- just so cool!
    He ticked off everyone; whadda man!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I wonder why have you become an irregular on this blog?

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    AshishC Reply:

    lack of time..
    then, I see long responses from Ravi and you,, which I shd in all fairness resp- but, won’t – not in detail anyway- because that will just perpetuate the cycle :)

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    AshishC Reply:

    lack of time..
    then, I see long responses from Ravi and you,, which I shd in all fairness resp- but, won’t – not in detail anyway- because that will just perpetuate the cycle :)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;Coming here after some time. Missing all the fun. In India, on a hectic tour. Feeling depressed. This is not the India, I yearn for. Veg Thali is for Rs. 200? Anyway, Loving your writing.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Why veg thali? Oh, okay; to each his own :)
    I still remember the utter consternation and despair in my mother’s face long back when we had called a vegetarian friend home. “But, what shall we feed him?”- she wailed.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Jal torai is OK? Not for me, any longer. Do not worry, I will not invite myself to your place. Not Vegan as yet, but may go that way.

  • Anonymous

    Mishraji, yr camel slaughter video was sickening. Shenoy saab, u said cows and buffaloes are slaughtered openly in streets in India. Is that true, ANYONE, I thought it illegal

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    Ravi Reply:

    Is the clubbing of Seals in Antarctica, the hunting of Whales in the oceans, gassing of Badgers in their sets in the UK, trapping and eating of migratory song Birds in Italy, Greece, Spain, etc, Bull fighting in Spain, (conducted in full view of children), any different?

    Oh yes they are, because these are not conducted by Muslims.

    You tube has equally sickening videos for probably everyone of the above quoted cruelty towards animals.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi bhai, all these animal cruleties are inhuman, prhaps the only public slaughtr with slow torture in EVERY neighbourhood, visible to ALL , that is qurbani.
    Today egerich showed a rare spark of humanity. I condemn ALL khalistani crimes. One wonders why you so upset anytime a social evil of musilims comes up. Today even you went below egerich tajender ramavtar.
    Another thing, hehe, why you go khudh khudh in background over being called zenani, take clever insult on jaw, smile, and move on. ie, stop moaning and whining in background like indian vottee

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    Ravi Reply:

    Sardar Ji

    You can take where ever votee aims at you.

    I give back with interest. Perhaps you have forgotten that.

    For the rest see my response to Dr Shan.

    His fist and your chin are old friends.

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi, sorry mate cannot agree on the equivalence you are seeking between ISLAMIC slaughter practices and the rest .Here are the reasons
    First of all HINDU BALIDAN is extinct, some form of chopping ceremony takes place in kali temples like kalighat and dakhineswar., but what i have seen is KADDU(pumpkin)
    being chopped in halves.In Kalighat and dakhineswar, VERY VERY RARELY one may come across a goat being sacrificed.but that one in a year.
    This is different from every goat or chicken slit two and half times , left writhing in pain and agony and then smothered in its own blood in EVERY MEAT SHOP IN INDIA.
    In Park Circus bazar in Calcutta , they do it in front of your eyes and then cover the chicken with a basket. You can see the violent shaking of the basket in a horrendous manner , only when the shaking stops , the basket is removed and you can see the chicken snothered in blood. I AM ABLE TO GIVE SUCH GRAPHIC DETAILS BECAUSE I AM A SURGEON, Ashish C will faint.
    All other examples you site of other religion IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY, Curious living in UK YOU ARE OBLIVIOUS HOW MILITANT ANIMAL RIGHT PROTEST IS IN UK, though they dare not touch Islam.
    Brigette Bardot was labelled racist , when she voiced her disgust at the site of a RIVER OF BLOOD AND MOUNTAIN OF CARACASS HEAPED ON ONE ANOTHER IN THE STREETS OF PARIS.

    As for PR EXERCISE and political parties wait for my next post

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I was not defending the street killings during Eid, they are barbaric without any doubt what so ever.

    The point is that Youtube has many other videos showing our cruelty towards animals.

    Why we choose to highlight one category and not others is a political choice and not based on any sympathy towards animals.

    The Balidan, just goes to show that we Hindus have moved forward but historically were no different. I am hoping that such reforms in due course will take place in Islam too and then rice crispys will replace animals.

    Bull fighting is very popular in Spain and Seal Clubbing is licensed by the Canadian government.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi, 66.8% of spaniards do not support bullfighting(source wikipedia).ALSO IT IS BANNED IN CATALONIA
    Later social-democratic governments, particularly the current government of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, have generally been more opposed to bullfighting, prohibiting children under 14 from
    attending and limiting or prohibiting the broadcast of bullfights on national TV.

    Some in Spain despise bullfighting because of its association with the Spanish nation and the Franco regime.[30] Despite the long history and popularity of bullfighting in Barcelona, in 2010 it was banned in the Catalonia region, although this move has been criticized by some as being motivated by issues of Catalan independentism rather than animal rights, even when the law that banned it was proposed by an animal rights civic platform called “Prou!” (“Enough!” in Catalan).[31]
    INTERNATIONAL WHALING COMMISSION HAS BANNED WHALING BY JAPAN , JUST AS MINK FARM has been raided by animal right activist and minks released, YET THESE ARE FARMED LIKE CHICKENS WITH ALL THE ANIMAL WELFARE CODES FOLLOWED
    except that they are made CAPTIVE, BUT THEIR SLAUGHTER IS BY STUNNING , that is one bullet straight into the forehead from close contact

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I am aware of all of that.

    At the end of almost all bull fights the bull is dead and is dragged from the arena by a tractor.

    That is a cruel spectacle. A video of that is just as gruesome as the video the – Pulpit Pit-Bull Pontif of Pontefract – posted.

    The fact that it was posted two days after Eid suggests that the underlying motive was muslim bashing and not a comment on general barbaric nature of animal slaughter.

    Cattle are slaughtered by non-muslims in less developed countries just as barbarically as that shown in the posted video. But they remain un-commented because they can not be used for the political cause of muslim bashing.

    engrich Reply:

    @Ravi, 66.8% of spaniards do not support bullfighting(source wikipedia).ALSO IT IS BANNED IN CATALONIA

    catalonia are different race they are not spanish.they are fighting for seprate indepent state.they hate everything spanish.

  • Anonymous

    @ Dr mishra

    The video you posted was indeed sickening. Yet we need to remember that Eid has special significance for Muslims. So how do we strike the balance?

    I think in the interest of humanity, animal right groups should explain to the religious heads of Muslims that with evolution of humanity, the concept of cruelty and animal rights too has “evolved.”

    Somwhere, as kids in the class room, in schools, no longer have to dissect frogs, and have learnt the computer and model way, so has this concept of Qurbani to evolve.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Mittal

    I fully agree with you.

    The posting of that video was as a part of Muslim bashing, rather than any inherent sympathy towards poor animals.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I don’t think the posting of the video was about “Muslim bashing.’

    It is about one man’s meat becoming another man’s poison.

    However it would be in the fitness of things that, without raising communal hackles, a message is sent that such acts really do not endear a community to others. THe fact is Muslims too should see the act dispassionately and try to evolve their social and religious customs in a manner which is humane.

    Ultimately in a multireligious world we need to be senstive to all– man woman and beast…

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi, rajeev raises valid point about the bloody mess of qurbani, doc saheb posted video, mittalji correctly said islam needs to evolve humanely, egerich and shan condemned torture….. And you are so badly hurt that you are bringing in islamophobia and getting more and more upset.
    then you wonder why most here, not me, think you are actually from …..you always bring in IFS AND BUTS, YOUR BIGGEST FAULT
    see this blog and wonder why we love reading ashish, mittalji and mishra doc, BECAUSE THEY ARE BLOODY INDEPENDENT, SAY OUT LOUD WHAT IS CORRECT, NEVER TRY AND CLING TO OTHERS, and they have setblog on fire
    you have again disappointed me, you have potential but always trip onfirst hurdle, RATIONALITY

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    engrinch Reply:

    balwinder jee ravi is not very wrong.90%of most scientific slaughter houses are run by non muslims.biggest abettior of india ALKABEER is operated by punjabi hindus.
    in islam u caanot kill animal for trading .it is allowed only for eating
    videos which are usually distributed by zoinist media is part of their anti-muslim hate compaign.on every bakareid i receive videos like this.
    this is responsibility of goverment to make sure that animal goes to proper slaughter house.in muslim countries nobody can kill animal 0on street.
    moreover minimum numbers should be slaughtered.it is pre-islamic tradition.
    during christmas 7 million turkeys are are slaughtered did u ever recived any video.2months back 500000 animals were slaughtered in nepal in open field.nobody ever sent videos of these.
    mishra is rss man.hate is his duty so he is posting all these.though i agree with him.he should also post the photos of half burn infants of different riots

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am against killing Animals in infuman way and that too in mass. I don’t oppose Muslims’ right to Qurbani but can’t number of families join together and just Slaughter one Animal?

    As far as I know Ibrahim was slaughtering his own son but god stopped and asked him to sacrifice the animal. The muslims should follow his example and slaughter their own kids and believe that God will intervene..if they don’t have faith, they should be held guitly of blasphemy and stoned to death.

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    engrich Reply:

    rajeev i fully agree with u.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    Where are you?

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  • Ravi

    Ashish

    Since when has there ever been a co-relation between the length of question to the length of answer.

    Shall we structure this blog as a multi-choice question and answer, or better still lets all just read what Balwinder has to say.

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  • Anonymous

    Question is can you teach animals the concept of “cruelty to animals ” ?
    Lol

    People of all religions eat animals , of course some do much more than others. However , when did ‘eating animals’ become equated with bashing Muslims ?
    Eating or torturing animals cannot solely be attributed to the ideology from tribes of Saudi Arabia.

    Anathor interesting thing that I just observed is that ur esteemed Mr Vinod Sharma, in his introduction to this blog, highlights his accompanying Lallu Prasad of Patna to Pakistan, as one of the mentionable events of his life.

    What irony.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi, I notice you said to MITTAL, I agree with you this qurbaani stuff is muslim bashing.

    Err hmmmm Ravi, he never said it. And then hecame on to say he never said it. Why you cling to others. It is zenana to take these childish feminine swipes at VIJAY. PL u dont do that. Sikhaan ki tarah seedhey khadey hokey, look eye to eye, and debate, the smile should never leave yr face. That is how Singhs talk.
    I said openly, I conemn ALL khalistani crime
    You shud say, I condemn brutal public qurbaani. NO IFS, NO BUTS, otherwise other bloggers say is he pakistani? Why he shud bother?

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    Ravi Reply:

    What did you say your reading age was??

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    engrich Reply:

    bania dont eat meat but sucks every drop of blood from our veins.simple thing,cruelty of 7 million turkey is not shown because muslims are not not involve goat and camel is shown because it tarnish image of muslims.kentucy chicken is converted into kfc because of cruelty on chickens.nobody post their
    photo.

    but goverment should make arrangement to improve their condition.lions and tigers in india are disapeared due hindus.pakistan and banglaesh still has hundreds.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Utter trash…Read about pakistan’s hajj scam or Bakr-id scam where prices of goats were jacked up artificially to make extra bucks..

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    engrich Reply:

    pakistan is country of thieves.here we are discussing cruelty on animal and clealiness of our cities.goverment agencies should take responsibility.not only on qurbani animals but also on stray dogs and cows which are suffering maximum on indian streets.we have to change our views on animals and be kind to them.
    pictures posted are part of propaganda.still they help.we can replace cash with life of animals.which will be more useful to society.

  • Anonymous

    Back from short Eid break. Ate lot of tasty food during celebrations of this
    Eid festival at different places of my muslim friends. Had a wonderful time.
    Good to see that nothing has changed on this blog, everyone is behaving in
    a same and familiar way as before.

    India has to chase 275 to win this match whish looks steep. Will they do it ? I hope so .

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi, I totally agree the MOTIVE behind posting the you tube video link on this blog , IS PURE MISCHIEF MAKING.Then again the character behind such deed is a SLIMY character, 100% to do with his EVIL GENES.
    It is also true JEWISH KOSHER slaughter predates islamic slaughter or HALAL by 2000 yrs. It is still done in UK and sold in TESCO , but probably very limited places where there is jewish concentration.Jews can give Islam run for money in obscurantism.But again it is limited to 10% of the jewish population like in Stamford Hill.Apparently there is a sect in NewYork , when the wife reaches her menopause , the man is allowed to bring in a “sister” for her wife. The whole purpose of this sister
    is provide carnal pleasures to the husband , otherwise everything else remains same .
    I read this is in SUNDAY TIMES magazine.
    I had a patient who was very distressed. On close questioning it transpired ,, that his wife seeks a divorce , but he doesn’t want to give a divorce. Apparently the wife have been able to “INFLUENCE” the RABBI and he may grant a JEWISH DIVORCE, which is known as GET.Now GET is not legally valid in UK , but she plans to move to Israel where it will be accepted. In fact people are not aware JEWS IN UK ALSO RUN A SHARIA OF THEIR KIND. Some people may have been granted divorce by the UK CIVIL COURT, but unless you can secure a GET , may find it hard to be accepted for remarriage within their community.
    THE SIKHS ALSO REFUSE TO WEAR CRASH HELMET WHILE DRIVING BIKES , WHICH IS COMPULSORY FOR EVERYONE ELSE. The govt has to foot the bill for head injury

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “” Apparently there is a sect in NewYork , when the wife reaches her menopause , the man is allowed to bring in a “sister” for her wife “”

    Wow. I will ask ny wife whether she and her sister will change their religion.

    ha ha .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @mohanR, you have got it wrong , the “sister” is not wife’s sister , FOR IT WILL DEFEAT THE PURPOSE, for she may knocking the door of menopause, its like ISLAM , the sister is BY NAME AND BY ARRANGEMENT only, otherwise she must be a RITUMATI.
    So for you better option is ISLAM , four wives, or best the western approach , divorce every four yrs and get a new one.
    The worst is hindu PET ME BHOOKH MUH MEH LAAZ.
    Then if the marriage is founded on a mutual attraction for respective intellect , then lack of sex shuld not be a problem.
    However there is a female viagra , you may be interested, it is called TESTOGEL , used for treating FEMALE HYPOACTIVE SEXUAL DISDORDER.
    blimey I am running a charitable clinic on this blog

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Every society / sect / group may have its own unique practices, which others may not approve of or may find them repugnant / inhuman / whatever.

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  • Anonymous

    Four Hindu Doctors shot dead in Pakistan. Let us light the candles and march to Wagah border.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even Tajender believes that Pakistan is a criminal country.
    What else we can expect from those people ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    Pakistan is a gone case and we need to make sure that our softies and track 2 lovers dont fool us again into accepting their criminal behaviour.

    Many a time we let Pakistanis come to India and lecture us on human and minority rights. In thier own country they have eliminated those concepts by saying that Paksitan was creatd in the name of Islam. Yet they try to equate us with them, as if to say we are as bad.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am in no way condoning what happened. It seems this is plain case of crime without any religious angle to it. It keeps happening all over the world, including India.

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  • Anonymous

    Chief Minister of an Indian state resorts to gundagardi ?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mamata-Banerjee-storms-police-station-in-Kolkata-frees-two-party-men/articleshow/10655715.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely shameful.

    God save West Bengal aka Paschimbanga(*) or whatever from the likes of Mamata Bannerjee.

    * Poschimbongo

    ————–

    Also she has given an “ultimatum” to the Prime Minister – no more hikes in prices of petroleum prices or we walk out. She should ask for a honest opinion from her finance minister, Dr. Mitra about deregulated markets..

    God save India from the likes of Mamata Bannerjee.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is just the begining. I dread to think what she will do in
    next five years.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Regarding petrol prices – West Bengal levies 25% taxes as compared to Delhi 20% and she is complaining. The highest states taxes are in AP (33%), Punjab (30%), Kerala and Rajasthan (29%) .

  • Anonymous

    jihadies on this blog please note

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This came right after US invaded Afghanistan..really good one :)

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    engrich Reply:

    at the end they bited dust in iraq and eaten shit in afghanistan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is for people like you so that you feel like winner…Don’t forget they decimated 300000 people to avenge death of 3000 people.

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    engrich Reply:

    could not achieve any of their stragetic aim.killed innocent women and children.used uranium with explosives which deformed their and victims next generation.very soon 30%of their population will be below poverty line.around 100000 people without leg or hands can be found on streets.another feather in cap is finacial crisis which europe and ameerica is facing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It is all propaganda by west to make you guys feel winner.

    They achieved their aim of avenging death of US citizens.

    West even at its lowest will still tower over Islamic world..Have you already migrated back to land of Oil and Honey Saudi Arabia? Do it soon before US sinks.. :)

    engrich Reply:

    avenging the death was not target.controlling the resources was.they failed in both countries.
    there was hardly any jews in death list.they knew about this.did not came to office.

  • Anonymous

    COCKROACH DR SHAN of cingulate, U WIN. I retire hurt
    °__________________________________________________
    Does he do it on purpose to irritate me, come here and regurgitate vomit ?
    1. Launches into **** against Jews in a sleazy manner forgetting they provide enormous help to India. There are anti semitic laws here shan. U cud be reported to BMA

    2. Then the debauch says we should all be like west, change spouses every four years. THIS SHIT IS A DOCTOR??? Promoting promiscuity and broken homes while society is desp trying to redeem self.
    No limit to yr swethalingam, is there? White ling worship. Anyway, brfore this animal jaahil kills me with high BP, I am off. I give up in the face of this POINTLESS IDIOTIC POSTS.

    U win shan , dolly bindra. I take vaary long break.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You got mad as I exposed your biradri and they are another version of islam in REFUSING TO WEAR CRASH HELMET FOR RELIGIOUS REASON , JUST LIKE ISLAM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can’t you ever have a non-abusive conversation with others? Then the other side pays you back in the same coin and then you retaliate and then …..

    It is disgusting to say the least.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    HOW VERY GRATEFUL AND RELEIVED I AM AT YOUR SENSIBLE DECISION TO A VERY VERY LONG BREAK

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  • Anonymous

    @MohanR and ManoharT, All that glitters is not gold , ALL THAT YOU READ IS NOT AN EXACT REPRESENTATION OF FACTS.
    mamata went to CONTROL the situation . WHAT LUMPEN CULTURE that you witness is the result of 35yrs of PLAGUE called CPM RULE..
    One Mawali in my locality in Kasba , ballygunge , had one drink too many and apprently was so inebriated fell on a drain and fractured his ankle.CPM local party arranged for his treatment in a PRIVATE NURSING HOME.The mawali looked like a cross between Amar Singh and one of the BAHUBALIS of UP.
    Tapan Sinha had made a film called APANJAN, which Gulzar remade into hindi by the name of MERE APNE.Sinha had made the original in 1965.
    There is a scene , a husband and wife in bed at around 0.00hrs.Suddenly woken up by a band of unemployed youth singing loudly in a chorus in the mohalla.
    I am translating the dialogues
    Wife: I think we should move out of this mohalla , these kids dont they have a home
    Husband :No point , Every mohalla is same , THIS COUNTRY IS GONE TO THE DOGS(Desher Barota (Baara/12) Beje(buj) Gachey(giya)
    Bloggers may be interested to know this state of SATYAJIT RAY , has recently released two films , one is called LIQUID STOOL(patla paikhana) [yes you are reading it correct], the other film is called GANDU(no comments needed).
    MAMATA HAS SAID ON SEVERAL OCCASION THAT WILL ALLOW POLICE TO FUNCTION AUTONOMOUSLY, WILL NOT ALLOW HIS OWN PARTY MEMBERS TO GET AWAY.Then do remember SHIV SENA IS NO PARAGON OF VIRTUE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) State Adninstration

    It seems one lumpen group has been replaced by another. It has been case of the grass on the other side of the fence is always look greener.

    IMO, she is not fit to be an administrator – only for street level politics like the Shiv Sena – an organisation of goondas and lumpen elements, and other such outfits.

    2) On petroleum prices.

    When she was a cabinet minister(*) in Delhi, it was the decision of the Government of India to deregulate the pricing of petroleum products and it was left to the oil companies to fix prices (petrol to begin with). I do not recall – she ever showing dissent then. Why now?

    * She was a disaster, she was hardly there in Delhi, missed most of the cabinet meetings.

    It is blackmailing the UPA government, which she is part of, to get Rs 19000/- crores grant for Bengal, a la Chandrababu Naidu during the NDA regime. She had to tone down, one the reasons – Sharad Pawar and Karunanidhi did not play ball with her. If she cries wolf too often, she will be told go take a walk.

    She has been rightly described as a ‘compulsive populist’. Populism takes you so this far, no more, as she will soon realise.

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  • Anonymous

    A detailed look at Anna Hazare

    http://kafila.org/2011/04/12/the-making-of-anna-hazare/

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    An extremely interesting article and even more interesting contributions from readers.

    The following quote from the article attracted my attention.

    “The daily routine enforced in the army such as getting up early in the morning, jogging and physical training thereafter, cleanliness of body, clothing, living quarters and the neighbourhood etc. led to development of a disciplined life, benefits of which I am availing of even today. The habit of giving due respect and regard to the seniors by age, post, or competence was inculcated in us…. This has helped me in conducting the village development work at Ralegan Siddhi according to the rules and regulations decided by us by common consent.”

    Does the above remind you of another organisation??

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you are stretching things too far or as Rodney said to DelBoy, “You are letting your imagination running away with you”
    I mean he is referring to his ARMY days and whatever discipline he learnt, I cant see any problem there

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are definitely a terrorist material…He is talking about Army…

    Bloody Jihadi..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think fake Ravi is the camel rider in the cartoon.

    Ravi Reply:

    Only if you are the camel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I too think the reference is to the life and regimen in the army. Yes, it does remind me of the RSS.

    More worrying are the following

    1) Anna’s concern with the moral is couched in his discourse of the nation that exercise control over the private and the public, the personal and the political.

    2) In the process of social transformation, Anna believes that advice, persuasion or counselling do not always work and occasionally force has to be applied. Force can be applied in many forms, physical and social, and often the simple persistent fear of its application regulates society. Force gives a safe and solid grounding to socially accepted values. It is not only Anna Hazare who proposes flogging and fear as essential parts of a green village; it has its wide audience in the village.

    3) Intolerance is another. One of the main pillars of a democratic and a liberal society is dissent.

    Sounds like a theocratic village and there must many in the village who will not agree with the moral policing and restrictions, but would be scared to express themselves.

    The life there must be really boring there – as variety is missing.

    Someone should explain to Anna what our constitution says about personal liberties,etc.

    After Anna, will these shackles imposed on the rest of the population by him be done away with?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Your agreeing with this person as a reflex is worrying. A simple analogy to army discipline has been stretched too far. Yes, if alcohol is destroying that village, then a little use of force is justified. Too much stress on personal liberty will hamper society to deal with perverts of any kind, including child molesters in the name of personal liberty. Please do not play with words like personal liberty.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Good to see your response.

    Personal liberty, child molesters, perverts, where are you going?

    It seems that your idea of personal liberty & liberalism and mine are completely different. You may not attach much importance to them, but I do.

    I totally detest ’self appointed moral policemen and guardians’ of the society. He is no different from the likes of Shiv Sena, Ram Sene, MNS, VHP, BD and other loony outfits. Who has given them to authority to decide what is good for the society?

    Who draws the line between little force and more force? Anna Hazare?

    To certain extent, he leading the Jan Lok Pal movement and other “reforms” he talks about are an extension of what he practices in his village. The Lokpal proposed by him and his team is a carbon copy of himself at the national level. Answerable to none with unfettered powers – just as same as him within the confines of his ‘fiefdom’.

    No elections to various bodies have been held in his village for decades – the reason is the candidates are selected by consensus, who decides who are such candidates? No dissent and disagreements? Just cannot be true, unless he has the final say and any dissent is firmly put down. If you do not mind such practices, then why have formal elections anywhere? Moreover, then nobody should mind the election of chiefs and other posts in political parties without any contest – Sonia Gandhi, Nitin Gadkari, Jayalalitha, Bal Thakre, Mayawati, Lal, Mulayam, Badal…………… Total lack of inner-party democracy.

    Formal elections are in a way to find out the right person to hold office.

    Mind you I admire his efforts in terms of water shed management and getting the infrastructure to make his village prosperous. Thats about it. Just because he was successful in this, he has taken upon himself to force his brand of lifestyle on others. Not acceptable.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar, good point, but I only go after shan. It is universally acknowledged that shan abuses first and vilest. He has abused ALL of these, vijay, shenoy, ravi, rajiiv, ashish, mishraji, rizwan, vinay, nirav, islam ( calling it greasy takeaway) etc
    You ignore the two of us, there is history between us.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh, forgot, he made sick joke on raping Chickermane”s daughter and got banned from that blog

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  • Anonymous

    @Balwinder
    Not many people, condemn the extrimists from their fold, unequivocally. Your condemnation of Khalistani extrimism ( without resorting to references of Indira Gandhi, Zail Singh, Congress etc ) won my admiration.

    Bye the way, ignore Shan and leave him to wallow in his filth , which so far seems bottomless.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    By the way , lets ignore this punjabi PUNDOO, whose mind is like a fallow land, and who bellows a lot of hot air. in short he is an AIR HEAD , whose pathological obsession is ISLAM /PAKISTAN bashing. He has found his soul mate in balls sandhu , as they say BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER

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  • Anonymous

    @Rajiiv, for god’s sake just for once write five lines worth reading and that does not involve Pakistan bashing and jinnah bashing. I probably know more about USA than you.
    Have you visited the savannah , or have you seen the redwood trees in california .
    Too much to ask if i mention Metropolitan museum of Art, or the Getty Museum , or Andy warhol and his pop art.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    do you know of this happening there in America.?

    http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/nov/081111-ghosts-having-sex-in-living-room-claims-family.htm

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @mohanR ,Thanks for the link, the thanks not for the news but for the neha dhupia photos on the right hand side.
    If you are really interested in this kind of weird stories , the best is
    the american magazine THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, who seems to report sightings of Elvis every now and then

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  • Anonymous

    Prabhat and Vinod missing..Is it a co-incidence?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    it was well known and for long that Prabhat is a protege of Vinod Sharma; perhaps a junior collegue, who was on duty here on his blog to defend the congress party and the dynasty. With Prabhat holding the fort here, Vinodji had the time to do the studio rounds on his “defend congress at all costs” mission.

    Perhaps, because of his ‘inexperience’, Prabhat couldn’t withstand the fierce attack on him from all quarters, and had to say a silent good bye to the blog.

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  • Anonymous

    While the ranks are crumbling, the flanks (TMC) are breaking.
    While the Rajas are in jail, the Chidambarams are only a few steps away from it.
    Tihar had never had it so good.

    Meanwhile in UP,

    The so called Hindu Right is consolidating its base.

    There is building up a fight between
    SAINT POWER VS TAINT POWER.
    MANTRA POWER VS MANTRI POWER
    SAFAL SWAMIS VS VIPHAL SWARTHIS.

    Sri Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is now camping in UP with a mission.
    Digvinash Singh has bitten off more than he can chew. A sleeping giant has been awakened. He seems to have ill-served his masters by shooting off his mouth once too often with his “BJP’s Plan C” etc.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ AMAR SINGH DAHLA attacks corruption fighters again !!! ~~~~~~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    Amar Singh Dahla, who managed his bail plea based on blackmail power of scaring the congressis with glory details of black money and kickbacks for votes, attacks Team Anna again !!

    Vinod ji I request that you should not fall into the trap of someone who has been called a pimp even by collegues like Raj Babbar, ShivPal Singh (Mulayam’s brother) and Azam khan.

    A man is known by the comapny he keeps, after all…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinodji is intelligent enough not to burn his fingers yet again by associating with the much discredited Amar Singh Dahla. The fake CD episode almost cost Vinodji his credibility.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,

    Anna and his team members have some faults. Nobody is
    and will be perfect. The cause for which he is fighting is
    not for him and his members alone and if some how his agitation
    brings down the corruption in our country little bit also, it will
    benefit everyone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The article is not about his faults. Read my response to Pankaj.

    There is a big question mark whether with the establishment of institution of the Lokpal will reduce corruption. If it does, at what cost?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The only person who was ever qualified to bring the Lok Pal was Jawhar Lal nehru and now that he is dead, we should give up the idea.

    Further, Anna’s Lokpal will also cause women to grow beards and make schoolchildren into Hitler and Mussolini.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Further, Anna’s Lokpal will also cause women to grow beards and make schoolchildren into Hitler and Mussolini”.

    That is in the future. As of now, the mere proposal has brought about a severe drop in your intelligence level and independent thinking.

    You better stick to waah, waahs of postings by your fellow travellers.

  • Anonymous

    ==========================================================
    ~~ A really funny article on Pakistanis obsession with DOnkey and Camel Sex~~
    ==========================================================

    Pornistan?

    by Haseeb Asif on July 26, 2010

    I have recently come across a highly disturbing and questionable series of news reports that cite Pakistan as notching up the most porn related searches on google. We can deal with this in two ways, either be glad that we’re the best at something and request a trophy to go with the title or point at the dubious statistics being churned out to make us all look more sexually repressed than we are, but still request a trophy to go with the title.

    We were talking about Pakistan’s unenviable position at the top of the weird porn search ladder.

    There must be some rational explanation for that aside from flimsy statistics (how many internet users do we even have in this country? 20?) and nefarious CIA/RAW/YMCA/Salvation Army conspiracies. I have come up with a handful of theories that make no sense but then again, neither did Midnight’s Children and it won the Booker Prize.

    Theory numero uno: We are all just perverts here and get off on beastiality. This is not unbelievable. Reports of livestock rape are frequent in rural areas, not so much in the urban centers because there are other things to rape here, like traffic regulations and the English language; religious institutions have limited their sexual abuse to children and in the federal capital only civil rights are violated.

    Theory nombre deux: There is just one very dedicated pervert here. So dedicated that he spends his entire time making keyword searches for animal sex and so perverted that he doesn’t even bother viewing the results. This is less likely than the above, but still not improbable, as I read that a man once spent his entire lifetime growing his fingernails, I mean what the ****? Leave them alone you moron, they can grow by themselves! That and the existence of storm chasers (seriously, what kind of reverse engineered idiot looks at a giant mass of twirling wind that is ripping up the earth and goes ‘hey I want to get close to that!’?) has set the bar for human stupidity very low, so this hypothesis cannot be discounted. In fact I might even know the suspected felon, I’ve noticed that since a certain someone had his laptop stolen last week the ‘donkey sex’ hits emanating from this region of the world have plummeted drastically.

    Theory zahl drei: Animals in Pakistan have free access to the internet. This is not implausible at all. Our entire populace has been labelled as ‘donkeys’ by many people over the years , Habib Jalib for one, my mother for two, my father because he is not allowed to disagree with my mother for three. Moreover, should an actual mule or horse ever get online there aren’t a lot of things it would conceivably search for, having no interest in politics, the latest movies or the how much the new iPod costs, all it’s energy would be directed towards species specific porn.

    Theory numbr chaar: Because of the language barrier and limited vocabulary of Pakistani internet users (let’s face it, most people only know three words, donkey, sex and ****) the statistics are actually misallocating well meaning searches. To find anything on the internet the average Pakistani can either smash his keyboard and hope the letters come up in the exact sequence that would lead him to his desired destination or he can try and put in the few words he knows, hoping that google will provide help with related searches. For instance, to find out more about foreign exchange he could start by putting in donkey sex, then improvising a little with donkey sexchange, then google will ask if he meant donkey exchange, then google will ask if he meant deutsche exchange, then deutschemark exchange and so on, eventually pinning it down to the intended target. As his vocabulary increases, the average Pakistani will try more farm animals and variations on the word sex, that is how people learn any language, ******* get over it.

    But by far the simplest explanation is that all those perverse Arabs are rerouting their IP’s to make it seem like this traffic is coming from our country. Why? Because ‘Camel Sex’ is the next keyword on the list.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are “hitting” the two Pakistanis on this blog below the belt.
    As it is they have difficulty in being in the dole-queue and spreading jihad here at the same time and now you are exposing their pet sexual perversions!

    Have you forgotten Gandhiji’s famous advice to Indians to be kind even to your enemies?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Samajhne wala samajh gaya
    Na samajhe woh anaadi hai…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Very very funny. I have already copied and sent this to my friends.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Khapodia , PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES AT OTHER , This is you favourite HARYANA circa 2025
    The film begins in a rural village with the delivery of a baby girl to a village couple. Her disappointed father, who was hoping for a boy, drowns her in vat of milk in a public ceremony. Many years later somewhere , this unchecked trend leads to the village being populated solely by males. The now uncouth and aggressive young men of the village are desperate for wives and release their frustration through group screenings of imported pornographic films, cross-dressed dance performances, and even bestiality. They are shown to be willing to go to the lengths of human trafficking and courtship-driven emigration in order to procure spouses for themselves.

    The wealthy father Ramcharan (Sudhir Pandey) of five boys finds out about a single young woman, named Kalki (Tulip Joshi), living some distance from the village, and literally buys her from her father. She is then married to all five sons. Each night of the week, she is forced to sleep with one of the sons, and even the father gets his weekly night with her. Of all the men in the boorish lot, only the youngest son treats her with respect and tenderness.

    When the youngest son is killed by his jealous brothers, and an escape attempt with a sympathetic domestic servant goes lethally awry, she becomes a pawn of revenge in an inter-community conflict, and an unwilling object of sexual release for even more men. She is chained to a post in the cow shed and gang raped mercilessly night after night. The film ends on a violent but hopeful note, as she bears a baby girl while the men of the village kill each other off over rights to her and her child.
    THE NAME OF THIS HIGHLY ACCLAIMED FILM ,ANY GUESSES

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    Anonymous Reply:

    =========================================================
    ~~~ AN ELEGY ON CINGEGULATE WHO CANNOT EJ_ _ULATE ~~~
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    @ Shenoy and other lovers of poetry ;)

    There was a eccentric blogger
    Who claimed to be a doctor

    He called himself cinegulate !
    But was probably a failed matriculate

    At everyone he would rudely gesticulate
    Psychologist just told him to relax and perambulate…

    But the real problem with cinegulate
    Was that he could never ejaculate !!!

    HA HA AHAHHAHAH !!!
    ——————————————————————————

    Shan the Cinegulate… you just made my day !!!!
    In five minutes flat, you have been made to shut up for the day !!

    HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    YOU MADE MY DAY!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Thx !! We need failed matriculates, failed cinegulates and failed ejacu_ _ _ _S for entertainment !!

    After Keshto Mukherji’s death, a replacement has come after two decades !!

    Hahaha !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    One is an ex bank manager who wouldn’t release loan without a cut , left job prematurely when bank audit got hot, other is a CRASS BUILDER, like any other builder, drinks, hookers and bribes his modus operand i
    Cingulate gyrus is the MOST.

    Anonymous Reply:

    contd, MOST important part of Brain , for those who attach importance to these areas.
    It is an integral part of the limbic system, which is involved with emotion formation and processing, learning, and memory, and is also important for executive function and respiratory control.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pity you do not have the gyrus
    NO wonder you sound so listless !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Khapodia
    Pehen ke langotia
    Khap pradhan
    Karta hey jodiyo ko balidan
    MG Road ka hey khub pehchan
    randiyo ki galli mey bitata hai aur ban jata hai gumshan
    Bibi baccha ghar me hai pareshan

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    gustaki maaf, but the last two lines of your phika shlok apply to yourself more appropriately than Vijay Kumar, because
    gumshan and pareshan are your own trade names!

  • Anonymous

    Is Gujarat Judiciary biased ?

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sardarpura-riot-case-31-convicted-42-acquitted/articleshow/10665261.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What makes you believe that it is biased? Could you elaborate?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Some people on this blog have being claiming that Gujarat Judiciary is biased. This verdict shows otherwise .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Never mind what people say. There is always the High Court and finally the Supreme Court.

    I would not label all the judges as biased, though there may be a very small minority(*), but no blanket view that all are. It was the prosecution side that had tried to make a mockery of justice earlier, by simply not having a fool-proof cases and in the court not opposing the bail of the accused. In such cases, what the judges can do. That is why the the Supreme Court had to move major cases out of Gujarat or hand over them over to the SIT.

    * Their judgments would come under a close scrutiny by the higher courts and if found wanting or biased, they would face the music from their peers and in some cases they get dismissed from the service.

    The people convicted are the small fish in the pond. Big fish?

  • Anonymous

    Who will be the first to reach century?
    Tendulkar who is on 99 or
    petrol price at Rs. 73

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  • AshishC

    Manohar,
    Mamata’s mission is to do to West bengal (ok, Poshchim Bongo) all that she did to the Indian Railways and more. One rail-wreck a day..
    Cry, my beloved state.. CPM vs Mamata- whadda choice!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    What crime have we Indians committed (in our previous lives!) to have Hobson’s choices?

    CPM or Mamata!

    Congress or BJP!

    DMK or Jayalalitha
    Mayawati or Mulayam

    …………….

    Good night.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    Why have you ruled the BJP a future choice.

    What would Poshchim Bongo be like if it was governed by the BJP.

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  • Anonymous

    “failed matriculate” !!! lol

    The poem is full of gems.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Plonker dick head , I asked you to write JUST five lines, this is two lines that you can produce. Pathetic and sad are the two words that comes to mind

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  • engrich

    shan ashish ravi bhai and praji,u will find this interesting,

    The Real Truth of Wars – Dr. Dahlia Wasfi’s ON YOU TUBE

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  • engrich

    DR SHAN,

    The Greatest Speech Ever Made

    on u tube good speech

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  • Dr Mishra

    HYSTERIA OVER ANNA HAZARE”””””””’
    I come here infrequently now. But came across this nice posting by Dr Pankaj-
    ‘ A simple analogy to army discipline has been stretched too far. Yes, if alcohol is destroying that village, then a little use of force is justified. Too much stress on personal liberty will hamper society to deal with perverts of any kind, including child molesters in the name of personal liberty. Please do not play with words like personal liberty ‘

    Manohar, I do not know what to make of you. You seem to lose your sense of proportionality and equate minimal authoritarianism of Anna with RSS and imply fascism. My scale on authoritarianism is as follows-

    Anna- 2/10
    My mother 3/10, haha
    RSS- 7/10
    Taleban- 100/10

    Just putting a lil perspective

    Dr Cingulate shan, please do interact with bloggers on a less personal basis. Balwinder praaji, please avoid Shan’s posts if they give you ‘BP’

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    engrich Reply:

    Who is Anna Hazare?
    An old man who is redundant and useless in today’s society. It is also believed he receives his funding from RSS.
    What’s so special about him?
    He built a village Ralegaon Siddhi in Ahamad Nagar district, Maharashtra where English is banned, people are regularly given capital punishment and cable TV is prohibited so that people don’t get corrupted. It is India’s first ‘Taliban model based village’.
    So what?
    This village is a self-sustained model village. Energy is produced in the village itself from solar power, bio fuel and wind mills.
    In 1975, it used to be a poverty clad village. Now it is one of the richest village in India. It has become a model for self-sustained, eco-friendly & harmonic village. HOWEVER, Anna still lives on 400 Rupees a month and we all know even a glass of milk a day costs more than that? So where does the money come from? Begging or Swiss banks – both are not considered desirable.
    ‎Ok ?
    This guy, Anna Hazare was awarded Padma Bhushan and is a known figure for his social activities like appreciating flogging ( being beaten as a punishment in a public place).
    Really, what is he fighting for?
    He is supporting a cause, the amendment of a law to curb corruption in India. The law would be over and above the courts and the government and can freely interfere with the functioning of a democratically elected government, yes the people YOU & I elect.
    How that can be possible?
    He is advocating for a Bil, The Jan Lokpal Bill (The Citizen Ombudsman Bill), that will form an autonomous authority who will make politicians (ministers), bureaucrats (IAS/IPS) accountable for their deeds. It will have about 40,000 Lokayukts who would be ‘untouchable’ and if they become corrupt (which is in Indian DNA) then god save this country.
    ‎It’s an entirely new thing right..?

    Yes, it is an entirely new thing and India’s first step towards anarchy and authoritarian rule , also known as Gundaraj. ACCEPT THE BILL OR I WILL FAST is something like ‘ Papa I want that bicycle or I will not eat’. He is blackmailing the government, thanks to semi literate stupid Indians who follow everything blindly.

    ‎Oh.. He is going on a hunger strike for that whole thing of passing a Bill ! How can that be possible in such a short span of time?

    He will blackmail the government and take advantage of the gullible Indian public who support anything from Onion Price Revolution to Ram Mandir.

    Next, they make a joint committee to DRAFT the JAN LOKPAL BILL. 50% goverment participation and 50% public participation. Because you cant trust the government entirely for making such a bill which does not suit them. The 50% PUBLIC PARTICIPATION includes Anna’s friends and people like Shanti BHushan who have criminal cases against them.‎
    Fine, What will happen when this bill is passed?
    A LokPal will be appointed at the centre. He will have an autonomous charge; say like the Election Commission of India. In each and every state, Lokayukta will be appointed. The job is to bring all alleged party to trial in case of corruptions within 1 year. Within 2 years, the guilty will be punished. Honestly, I hope its never passed !
    Is he… alone? Who else is there in the fight with Anna Hazare?
    Baba Ramdev, Ex. IPS Kiran Bedi, Social Activist Swami Agnivesh, RTI activist Arvind Kejriwal and many more.
    And the millions of retards who don’t even know how dangerous and right wing the Lokpal bill is – it is against the democracy that we are so proud of.
    ‎Ok, got it. What can I do?
    At least we can spread the message. How?
    Putting status message, links, video, changing profile pics and educating people that ANNA HAZARE IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO INDIA’S PROBLEM.
    At least we can hope that this Hunger Strike does not go in vain and people realize it is just another political gimmick.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This has been articulated many times, but it seems many people are not ready to think and accept that the cure is worse than the disease. For them, they have found a convenient stick to beat their objects of hate, hence clamouring for a Lokpal bill. It does not occur to them that the solutions (prevention) to reduce corruption lie elsewhere.

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    engrich Reply:

    dr mishra jee,

    Anna and his team are selling fake dreams and the Jan Lok Pal Bill is not practical. sonia jee is doing what he wants.rss wasted 10 years of india in babri issue.now this is new game to create tension.this superficial issue.he should fight for education and employment as fundamental right of every indian.and atleast double the wage of 3rd and 4th grade employee.salaries to poors in india is crime against humanity.he is silent on this important issues.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Minimal authoritarianism! Who decides what is minimal and what is not? Anna Hazare! No way. What right has he to punish person(s) for acts, which Anna thinks are illegal/immoral/whatever? Is he the “appointed” policeman, judge and executioner all rolled into one? Sorry not acceptable.

    It is an ironty that you champion concepts living in a country perhaps the most liberal. Find out if there are any Anna Hazares in UK, who threaten the man occupying 10, Downing Street – do this or else.

    You too need a thorough lessons in the Constitution of India.

    Read my response to Pankaj.

    I have not compared Anna Hazare with the RSS. Though RSS would like to replicate his moral policing and controlling people’s lives at the national level. What is Hindu Rashtra? Where its top honcho would be the “fountain” of wisdom, justice, blah, blah, blah. An Indian version of Ayotollah. Anna Hazare is a mini version of Ayotollah in his village.

    As of today, he has overplayed his cards, by crying wolf and constant threats to the UPA. He wants to fast, by all means go ahead, it is a free and democratic country .

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    The fundamental question is why one feels it necessary to impose a “militaristic” discipline in a civilian situation.

    The rest of the article – from which I extracted the quote – contained the views of people who live in Anna Hazare’s village, they clearly indicated that they just obeyed orders. To me that is a clear sign of curtailment of fundamental freedoms, and replacing it with authoritarian regime.

    The RSS also expects similar devotion from its members where the thinking, discussion, etc. are left to people higher up in the organisation and the lower strata – foot soldiers – are expected to blindly obey. This creates a work force which can be brought into play, to pervert real democracy by creating fanatical zombies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi, there is a difference between asking members who have VOLUNTARILY decided to join up to follow certain CODE OF CONDUCT, this is not imposition , but just following CLUB BYE LAWS. Certainly the ex hawaldar has NO RIGHT to impose anything on anyone.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    See my reply to Shan above.

    People who support fascist agenda/ideology, like the one propagated by the RSS, will certainly not have any respect of individual rights and liberties. These people do not seem to realise the importance of the verdict of the people in 1977 against Indira Gandhi for suppressing fundamental rights. She losing her own seat was the icing on the cake for liberty and democracy.

    The real test for Anna is to hold elections (not hled for decades) to the various bodies in his village to know the extent of support he enjoys. He and his nominees may still win though, but I am sure, he will not have 100% support – not possible.

    In contrast, Rajinder Singh, the waterman, has done similar work in many more villages and areas, but he does not go around imposing his values and lifestyles on the people.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @manoharT, Pandit mishra lives in UK, but hasn’t got the intellectual depth to understand its history and culture , NOR CAN HE APPRECIATE ITS GRAND MOORINGS, so can’t his sidekick balwinder. You need to visit Blackburn , part of manchester , leicester(guju) , southall(sikhs) IT DOES NOT FEEL LIKE UK
    iN SOUTHALL , you will see Jalebi being made in the open roads , NO CONCERN FOR FIRE SAFETY, IN WHITECHAPEL in East London , it doesn’t feel like a first world, bangladeshis selling fish
    flat on the streets, not even a stall, though very recently I saw that being stopped. This country has gone overboard with Liberalism.
    Thus council money funds building of gurdwara and mosques, like that is happening in Kent where I live. Thus sikhs get away by not wearing crash helmet , the health service to foot the bill if there is a severe head injury.
    Freedom of expression is ABUSED by the ISLAMIC NUTS.
    One son of a b i t c h , bearded bangladeshi BURNT POPPIES , which I wear every year around this time as a mark of respect for fallen soldiers in wars . The judge fined him small money , because this leech , lives on DOLE MONEY , as paid by the state , so that is the maximum he could pay.
    Then again there is GRAND TRADITION in this country of freedom of expression.
    In Cambridge circa 1500 , there were debates held . Within the confines of that debating hall in the college you CAN BE AS BLASPHEMOUS AS YOU WANT.
    Thus Marlowe debated , whether Mary was a ***** and Jesus was Gay. (page nubmer of the source will be provided)
    INCREDIBLE THIS IS HAPPENING IN AN INSTITUTION OWNED AND RUN BY CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
    Then these were the seedlings that made Britain CREATE THE MODERN AGE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One does not have to live in UK (though it would help) to understand what civil liberties, individual freedom, etc. is all about.

    One needs to read and understand the magnificent work done Dr. Ambedkar and his team in framing a document, which our founding fathers debated, amended it wherever necessary and presented to the people of the country – The Constitution of India.

    It is no surprise, when someone having gained ’some’ respect, ’some’ admiration and ’some’ authority by doing ’some’ good work, starts seeing himself/herself as the ’some’ sort of self appointed benefactor (or is it the lure of power of people) for the rest of the community/society and starts dictating terms. The tools to enforce his/her decisions, pronouncements and verdicts are many – the main are threat of violence and social ostracization. There are enough willing supporters who would hope to acquire some of the authority by association and who may or may not share similar views, to force people to accept. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    Take the case of Muslim Bohra community. Its religious ruling family use the threat to of ‘baraat’ (social boycott) to bring any straying Bohri to his/her knees. Anna uses (or used) violence to discipline villagers and numerous dos & donts, so is no different from head of the Bohri community or the Thakres, who do not want “outsiders” to come to Maharashtra.

    What can one say, if some people see nothing wrong in such abhorrent practices (lets us set aside relative words like minimal and little). Let such people go and live in Anna’s village for a month to realise what personal liberties and rights is all about.

    PS: I did visit the UK in 1986 to coincide with the India’s cricket test match at Lord’s. One thing we made sure that we did not venture into areas like Southall, East London and other areas with overwhelming presence of Asians. Indians do need to go to UK to see little Indias, little Pakistans and little Bangladeshs.

  • Anonymous

    @Engrich, We have a lot of Iraqi doctors in hospital. Every body knows IRAQ HAS BECOME A HELL HOLE , thanks to the idiot SADDAM, he should have let all the inspectors in , he should have abdicated and left the country to a coalition govt. AT ;LEAST YANKS WOULD NOT HAVE A PRETEXT TO LET THE OIL EXPLORATION COMPANY HALIBURTON AND THE SECURITY COMPANY called BLACKWATER , LEACH IRAQ OF ITS WEALTH

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    engrich Reply:

    but present situation of iraq is far worse than what it was under saddam.continous long sanctions killed 2.2 million children due to lack of medicine.at least nation was united .there was no shia sunni christian jew.
    iraqi diaspora was against him.but inside iraq he had 78%work approval rating.
    americans wanted his and hi sons head.like in libya.he had no place to go.wmd was lie and other accusation were for propaganda purpose.he was popular ,that is why even today no american can walk on street.most of project have gone to china.shias will never deal with american.saddam was anti-alqaida secular.now islamic fascists are ruling country.saddam was very clever man.he knew how to deal with iraqis.very complex country.

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  • Anonymous

    @RAVI,Not surprising Ashish C caught between the devil and the deep sea, Mamata or CPM. It’s not surprising given his dad was a ?lapsed CPM , he is happy to compare 35yrs of PLAGUE with FIVE MONTHS of MALARIA.
    The decline had started with the partition. I had posted a detail analysis , as I understood.
    You need to see the documentary, CHINNA MOOL (Rootless) by nemai Ghosh . Thousands and thousands of skin and bone people in sealdah station platform. Also watch ritwick Ghatak’s Meghe Dhaka Tara(Cloud Covered Star ) and Subarnarekha.
    It says all about the dislocated people . Apparently 1.5 crore moved in to west bengal , 20 thousand crossed over to east bengal.
    THIS IS THE ROOT CAUSE , ritwick ghatak’s NAGARIK(citizen) same theme , unemployed youth. When you have lots of unemployed youth , they are ready fodder for Left Wing Politics. Also BRAMHINICAL social dominance assured BUSINESS IS LOOKED DOWN UPON. My personal opinion is THE GREATEST DAMAGE WAS DONE , WHEN TAGORE RECEIVED NOBEL PRIZE.Every Bengali wanted to be an author or a poet. As you the saying about bengalees , One Bengali -poet, Two bengali -discuss politics, Four bengalee -Open TWO political party.
    Regarding Mamata , well Mamata, Janata , Binata , Madhumita , deepanwita , NOTHING CAN MAKE A DENT TO THE TERMINAL CANCER that the state is afflicted with.
    Mamata could have been a game changer , for as BISMARK said the best form of governance is BELEVOLENT RATIONAL ABSOLUTISM.
    Well only thing is assured is ABSOLUTISM

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    engrich Reply:

    shan once ritwick ghatak called ghandhi,a pig.do u know ,why.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Engrich, Ritwick Ghatak the film maker and Ritwick ghatak of politics are like CHALK AND CHEESE. His political views were like his life A BIT MAD. If you watch his last film Jukti takko are Gappo(Logic, Argument and stories), there is a scene , where ghatak himself in the film says SWADHINATA (Independence), and then he spits and says thoo.
    He could not get over the fact of partition , and had this irrational rose tinted view about his DYASH(that is desh in bagladeshi or as known in calcutta as bangal accent), that his east bengal was a land of milk and honey.
    It is not surprising he said that about Gandhi.
    In fact GANDHI IS NOT AT ALL REVERED IN WEST BENGAL ,most likely due his fued with netaji subhas bose and also his prime role in ejecting bose from the post of congress president

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  • Anonymous

    Balwinderji,

    Ek Omkar
    Satnam

    Happy Guru Nanak’s birth anniversary.

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  • Anonymous

    This blog has gone silent again. Sharmaji, kuch keejiye. When are you
    going to upload your next article ? Meanwhile

    If you buy a bike, car or house on loan and do not repay on time, the bank
    takes it away. Now smart people are taking loans for marriage.

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    Only Man understands another man

    A male customer : I want to buy ladies watch

    Shopkeeper : You want for your wife or should I show you branded watches.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Let us make some noise.

    1) Are you game to discuss Hindi Film Music?

    If so

    2) The music of which decades (30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, …) you prefer?

    3) Who are your favourite composers?

    4) Who is your favourite a) male singer and b) female singer?

    Others are also welcome to join in.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ManoharT, every decade is different , only thing I can say for sure is 85-95 was the WORST, the kader khan era , shakti kapoor govinda era, remember the song Ding Dong Ding , what a lyric, i think it was a hit probably madhuri dixit in Tezaab.
    Kalyanji Anandji’s Jab Jab phool Khiley ,Yeh Shama , by Lata,Haseena Maan Jayegi numbers. Naushad for Mere Mehboob, S D Burman for Guide, Din Dhal Jaye, Salil choudhuri for Oh Sajna, by Lata and Rim Jhim ke yeh pyare pyare geet liye , by Talat mehmood , or Eh Din Dekho kya aye by Mukesh in Choti Si baat, Laxmi pyare in Dosti, Shankar Jaikishan in Rajkumar. Should make an incredible compilation

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    My taste in Music is very eclectic so it is difficult for me to contribute to your survey in a succinct manner, so I will focus on just one era.

    As far as Indian Music is concerned, I rate lyrics at the same level as the music (tune) and that influences my choice.

    I would choose the 60s as the decade when I enjoyed Indian film songs the most.

    I liked all the major lyricists, but if forced to choose one, then it would have to be Sahir Ludhianvi.

    As far as Music Composers are concerned, I will have to choose Shankar Jaikishan. My reason is because their repertoire ranged from classical raga based compositions as well as near perfect pioneering ability to blend Raga with Jazz. I would go as far as to say they taught John McLaughlin a thing or two about blending Indian and Jazz music.

    Sadly for me Sahir never worked with Shankar Jaikishan. However, another great lyricist Shalendar did.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi, Shankar Jaikishan’s greatest feat was blending MOZART in the song Aa , ja aiye bahar ,from the film Rajkumar , sung by lata . Satyajit Ray was a great fan of hindi film songs , and if you read his only book in english OUR FILMS THEIR FILMS, he clearly says so , infact from there I learnt or became aware of this blending business. Listen to the song in You tube , just type Aa ja Aye bahar , lata /rajkumar/shankar Jaikishan

    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    Salil Chaudhury, also used Mozart compositions within his own creations.

    Itna na mujh say toon payar bardha, ki mein eik badal awara…..is based on a Mozart tune.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Absolutely right, Salil knew western music by heart.Apparently his dad a doctor working in the tea gardens of shillong received a pack of western records from a departing irish tea garden manager. Young salil got his grounding there. (source wikipaedia)

    Anonymous Reply:

    To answer by own questions

    1) For me, 50s and 60s were the best, with 1956-60 as the peak period. Good film music began to die in the late 70s and today it is eminently forgettable.

    The golden age of Hindi Film Music varies from person to person, mine is from 1949 to 1970 or thereabouts.

    2) Shankar Jaikishan are my favourite composers, followed by Madan Mohan, S D Burman and O P Nayyar. Of course others were great too.

    Shankar Jaikishan were the best among giants, in on way one can discount the contribution of others. The range of outout by SJ was truly amazing from pure Indian classical (e.g. Basant Bahar) to western, with music from most parts of India too.

    Salil Chowdhury made the most use of Western Classical Music in the Hindi films.

    3) Mohammad Rafi and Lata Mangeshkar. Can there be anyone better than them? Till date, no one has come closer to these two.

    4) My favourite lyricists – Shailendra and Hasrat Jaipuri, with whom SJ worked exclusively with until the death of Shailendra in late 60s. Again, other lyricists were great too – Rajinder Krishan – perhaps the most profilic, Majrooh, Sahir and host of others.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    Sahir was never an easy person to work with. There were many reasons – personal mostly.

    One of the reasons most top notch composers refused to work with him was on his insistence that the composers must come to his residence for sittings to finalise the song – tune and lyrics and none of these giants were prepared to do so as they had their own music rooms with proper infrastructure.

    Until 1957, it was he was going great guns with the likes of S D Burman, O P Nayyar and many others working with him. After the release of Pyaasa that year, he seems to have boasted that he alone was responsible for the success of the music of that film, thus enraging S D Burman, who never ever worked with him again. OP Nayyar on hearing his boast also decided not to work with him (Naya Daur – Sahir was the lyricist – was released in the same year). Shankar Jaikishan had Shailendra & Hasrat and Naushad is to work exclusively with Shakeel. Madan Mohan worked with him in only 3 films spread over nearly 22 years. Hence, Sahir was left with very few composers to work with.

    There was a possible opportunity for Sahir to work with Shankar Jaikishan. For Waqt (1964), B R Chopra had approached SJ to score the music with the proviso that Sahir would be the lyricist, being their in-house song writer. Naturally, SJ refused, insisting their regulars would write the songs. Earlier they had burnt their fingers for agreeing to work Rajinder Krishan – a great lyricist himself and a very close friend of Jaikishan – in College Girl (1960) – a Shammi Kapoor / Vyjayantimala starrer. College Girl sank without a trace at the box office and music wise too.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Many thanks for this. I knew most of the facts you have presented here.

    I chose Sahir not for his behaviour, but for his poetry. His personal life was not a very happy one, right from the start.

    Whilst, he may have been his own worst enemy as far as commercial negotiations are concerned, I hope you don’t believe that his poetry in any way was compromised.

    I being one of his fans, have two of his books, of which the “gata jaye banjara” has been in my possession for over four decades.

    फिर ना कीजिये मेरी गुस्ताख निग्हाई का गिला

    देखिये आपने फिर प्यार से देखा मुझको

    One of his many gems.

    Anonymous Reply:

    He was great lyricist, but not my favourite. I also have a lot of admiration of other songwriters of that era – Rajinder Krishan, Majrooh Sultanpuri, Jan Nissar Akhtar, Bharat Vyas, Qamar Jalalabadi, Prem Dhawan, Kavi Praddep to name a few.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I also like others that you name, however, I will like to re-iterate that Sahir was in a category of his own.

    Perhaps in another blog, I would like to elaborate as to why I rate him above others.

  • Anonymous

    The Ramayana Melas by Jaya Jaitly

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/the-ramayana-melas/873579/0

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    Thanks for this link. I learnt something new.

    Can we now expect the Akhil Bhartia Vidiarthy Parishad to lead an agitation, demanding the banning of R M Lohia’s works.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    R M Lohia was one the truly great leaders we have had.

    One never knows what the lumpen elements like ABVP will react – intolerance and bigotry is their raison d’etre.

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  • Anonymous

    There you are. Team Anna being shown their place. The question is asked again – who they think they are?

    ——————
    Team Anna’s criticism angers Nitish Kumar

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/Team-Annas-criticism-angers-Nitish-Kumar/articleshow/10682444.cms

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  • Ravi

    On this holy day for us Sikhs, I would like to post Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s contribution to the Sikh Aarti.

    Gagan mein thaal rav chand deepak bane
    Tarka mandal janak moti
    Dhoop mal aanlo pawan chavaro kare
    Sagal banrai phoolant jyoti
    Kaisi aarti hove bhav khandna teri aarti
    Kaisi aarti hove bhav khandna teri aarti
    Anahad shabd vajant bheri
    Anahad shabd vajant bheri
    Sahas tav nain nan
    Nain hai tohe kau
    Sahas murat nan na ek tohe
    Sahas pad bimal nan ek pad gandh bin
    Sahas tav gandh ev chalat mohi
    Sab mein jot jot hai sohi
    Tis ke chaanan sab mein chaanan hoi
    Gur sakhi jot pargat hoe
    Jo tis bhave so aarti hoe
    Har charan kamal makrand lobit mano
    Aneno mohe aaee piyasa
    Kirpa jal de nanak sarang ko
    Hoe jate tere naam vasa
    Hoe jate tere naam vasa

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tell us a little bit about the gist of sikh religion , i mean the core beleifs

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    This is such a difficult question, because every one takes out from their religion the message they wish to. Making it an intensely personal experience.

    For me the above Arti does summarise the spiritual teachings of Sikhism.

    The message I personally recieve is.

    Universalism without, universalism within.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I could follow a little bit, would you kindly translate it in plain english

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Check out

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIOuovhjQF4&feature=related

  • Anonymous

    We have often seen that those who have labelled themselves as “Seculars”, “ liberals “,”peace activists”, are impatient disdainful , and condescending towards those who disagree with their line in public debates .It also cannot be denied that politically they are patronized by the Congress Party to further its own political agenda. The public face of these people is just about as aggressive and intolerant as the “stone pelting “ spokespersons of the Party or as we see a reflection of this attitude in the speeches and public statements the Congress Party’s President , Sonia Gandhi….. “ Yeh Bhashanbazi se Lokpal nahin ban sakta ” to Anna Hazare
    This was quite in evidence yesterday on NDTV India yesterday. There was a discussion on Manmohan Singh’s moves in Maldives and his statement that “Gilani was a Messenger of Peace” Ofcourse Mr Vinod Sharma , the Expert , who has lived in Pakistan and knows more about that country than anyone ( even more than Vivek Katju or Prabhu Dayal of the IFS , acknowledged experts on Pakistan ). Now after the great Economist PM of India admitting to examine India ‘s role in the disturbances of Baluchistan at Sharm el Sheikh has now called the PM of Pakistan as a Messenger of Peace.
    Vinod Sharma said probably Manmohan Singh was aiming that at the domestic audience of Pakistan. But we ask was it aimed there ,or that segment of the Indian electorate which is very important for the Congress Party. and more so in UP. Or is it a case of , as an IFS officer who retired as Ambassador told me that a few days back that Manmohan and Montek have sold the country to US.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    this can be called Sharm-el-Shaikh II.

    You cannot, honestly, fault Sonia Gandhi. From “speech reading” herself, she is now giving “speeches” from the closed confines of 10 Janpath, by sending her “speeches” to distant places for the faithfuls to “read”.

    Manmohan Singh gets carried away by emotions whenever he meets Pakistanis and commits huge diplomatic blunders. He too can be excused, because he wants to leave a mark on the troubled relations between the neighbours before he is asked to move aside, which will happen any day now.

    In fact, sooner than most people think.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I think we should have sent K Sudarshan alone to negotiate with Pakistan. He knows what is good for Hindus.

    India can take a running jump.

    Further more LK Advani, when he goes to Pakistan….the rest as they say is history.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Please do not get the RSS into this. Capitulation to Pakistani terror is a serious matter for us Indians, especially those staying here.

    Your trivial comments, tend to lower debating standards.

    Sorry. Dont mean to hurt personally and dont want to discuss this further.

    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay

    Get off your sodding high horse and stop doling out your crock of shit.

    My entire family still lives in India and I am a stake holder.

    Capitulation to terrorism is your rancid right wing fundo judgement which is completely jaundiced due to your total lack of understanding of how international relations work.

    MMS is doing what he is able to, he is closely allied with the USA.

    What upsets you is the it is not K Sudarshan who is doing it.

    There is hardly any one else here who perpetually degenerates this blog into a party political propaganda, as much as you do.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) ~~ :) I WISH DISQUS supported smileys !!:)

    Just look at what you end up doing.

    Examples

    1)Subject : Corruption and loot by politicians
    Ravi’s comments: RSS, BJP, khaki nikker

    2) Subject : Pakistanis plant bomb at HC
    Ravi’s comment: Khaki nikker, BJP, RSS

    3)Subject: PM capitulates to ISI terror
    Ravi’s comments: BJP, khaki nikker, RSS

    ~~ go over the4 last 50 blogs and see what u do ~~

    I know you are capable of a better performance ….

    Ravi Reply:

    No matter what the topic. Vijay Kumar Khapodia will say.

    Sonia Gandhi, Dynasty.

    Amul Baby.

    Digvinash Singh.

    Hindu’s being attacked, etc.

    Minority appeasing.

    MMS talks to Pakistan – Vijay Kumar he has capitulated to terror.

    You can’t perform any better, because you are not equipped to.

    Anonymous Reply:

    RA 1 flops

    RA-V1 is a flopped cracked record

    HAHAHHA !!

    Ravi Reply:

    You now know what I mean, when I say, you are not equipped to perform better.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Dont go to china or Vietnam. They love rice…

    And u may lose your rice grain !!

    HA HA AHHAHHA

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    are you seeing a parrot, repeating your words? Perhaps, the dole closed before he reached the window.

    Ravi Reply:

    Monkey already spoke, now it is the turn of the organ grinder.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    You suggested the wrong man K Sudarshan. It should be Modi – who has all the cures of the nation’s problems ranging from people’s hair loss to the national security.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    I made my choice in favour of K Sudarshan on pragmatic grounds.

    Looking forward, if a peace conference was to be hosted in Camp David, then Modi’s attendance may have become difficult. :) , :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    I see your point. There would also be problems and embarrassments if the conference was to be held in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, in many more countries and of course in Bihar too ;-) .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    Things are finally moving back to normal . Lavasa City has been cleared. NCP supports hike in Petrol prices. Rajasthan Congress is earning a name for itself in the Bhanwari case. The national Minorities Commission is trying to bury Bharatpur.No one wants to talk about Goa Mining scam. Mommy Sonia Gandhi prepares to annoint her Sonny Rahul Gandhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen

    You have all the right to feel aggrieved by what many of our leaders say and to say so. For example, Sonia Gandhi criticizing the Anna Team, but wait a minute, what have you to say about Nitish Kumar’s even bigger ticking off of Anna Team, especially Kejriwal, which should have discomforted you as well? Or it didn’t!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar

    Nitish is a good CM of Bihar.we all agree that he has done a good job in Bihar. but that does not mean that we have to agree with everything he says or does. I feel that a Lokpal institution at the centre or the Lokayukta Institutions in the states , should not be on the political executive for delivery or amenable to its influence in any manner whatsoever . The Bihar Bill seems to be failing that Test.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That was not the point I was making. I too rate him very high – much much higher than Modi.

    The point was I was raising was you taking “offence” of one person’s criticism and not of another vis-a-vis Anna’s Team. Hence my query.

    Which Test are you talking about? Who sets the standards of such a test – the one set by Anna and his team? Sorry, no way – they have no locus standi. I keep repeating – who has given them the authority? All bills and laws have to pass only two tests – one these are passed by the competent authority (legislature/parliament) and is not violative of the Constitution. Anna and his gang have no veto power.

  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ WHEN VIJAY WAS AWAY~~ Engrich pals, closet LeT, Trolls and mice~~
    HAD A FIELD DAY ~~~~~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    I notice that trolls have celeberated my absensce with celeberating the PM’s capitulation to Pakistan and Gilani.

    Why did MMS make such a blunder?

    Did the terror republic take ONE single step to punish the perpetuators of 26/11??

    NO ! NO ! NO!

    Is the Congress falling to the Digvinash SIngh line of getting the RSS behind the 26/11?

    Indirectly YES. They seem to be telling the Muslim voters that we want want friendship with Pakistan and that being an Islamic republic, you should vote for us.

    A very sad state of the sick Congress thinking. Muslims in India are behind India in taking on the terror from Pakistan. The Congress is trying to confuse them by saying that there was really NO BIG TERROR threat emnating from there.

    SADLY WHEN THE US AND NATO are Getting ready take on Pakistan, India has bailed it out by giving it credibility….

    How criminal this is, we voters should boot the Congress in the Bum and give it back to them.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    At the end of the day, it is all about cleaning up our country. We need to get ALL politicians and judiciary under check.

    In case we get lost in the Anna vs the Congress version we have fallen into the Digvinash trap of doing NOTHING about corruption.

    NItish has full right to disagree with Anna. Infact I rate Nitish very high becasue unlike Chacha Nehru (who got vijaylaxmi and Indira) and his descendents, Nitish does not talk about dynastic succession, unlike the Congressi sycophants.

    MOre power to Nitish. And let us pull the power plug of the chamchas, the Amar SIngh Dahlas, The digivinash Singhs’ the Rahul sycophacny brigades…

    Jaio Hind !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The congressie trolls and jihadis are clutching at straws, tom-tomming Nitish Kumar’s advice to Anna team not to dictate terms to him about his pheeka lokpal bill. They forget that Modi too is yet to put a lokpal bill in place. They are praying fervently that since nothing the congress did has so far worked in wrecking Anna’s mission, this so called Nitish bomb is going to blow Anna and his team to smithereens.

    This is in no way going to dent team Anna’s support base or support, because, like WB, Bihar too is giving zero support to the country’s demand for a strong lokpal bill.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “At the end of the day, it is all about cleaning up our country. We need to get ALL politicians and judiciary under check”.

    What makes you think that the office of the Lokpal will not be corrupt? Is it going to be peopled by the inhabitants of Mars and Jupiter? The Anna’s version of Lokpal has one natural flaw – absence of the process of natural justice.

    Judiciary under Lokpal and Judiciary reviewing Lokpal’s actions! A vicious circle. Don’t you see any problem there?

    First of all it should not have been Congress-vs-Anna. It was Kejriwal & Co. which targeted the Congress and they are getting it back. The latest, Kejriwal targeted Nitish Kumar and he got it back hard on his chin. Let us see who else he targets and what will be the reaction. Ask yourself, who Kejriwal thinks he is and who has given him the authority to sit in judgment of what the elected persons/bodies do (whether they do a good job or bad isa different matter, they can be taught a lesson at the time of elections). To me he is a megalomaniac and has utter contempt for the democratic processes. Imagine if there were 10 Kejriwals, each with their own agenda. Nobody denies anyone’s right to protest and persuasion, but not the way this gang is going about – as if they have a divine right.

    Yes, power to Nitish. What have you to say about he bluntly telling Kejriwal to go take a walk? If you choose not to answer, I will understand.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar, Praveen Saxenaji,

    Here is a news item that is bound to send the shivers up the trolls’ spine:

    Meeting the BJP

    “According to a November 6 report in the daily Inquilab, published from Mumbai, Delhi, Lucknow, Kanpur and Bareilly, the Amir (chief) of the Jamaat-e-Islami, Maulana Jalaluddin Umri, has said that “the Jamaat has no objection to a dialogue with the Bharatiya Janata Party, as political talks are imperative for solving the problems of Muslims. Unless we hold dialogues with political parties about our needs in a comprehensive manner, they will not be able to appreciate our serious problems.”

    According to the report, Umri told reporters in New Delhi that “we do not have to be concerned at the recent meeting of (the Shia leader) Maulana Kalbe Sadiq with the former RSS chief, K. Sudarshan. Muslims can never accept the RSS and, therefore, Maulana Kalbe Sadiq’s meeting with the RSS chief was based on his personal opinion.”

    “Jamaat-e-Islami is not a political organisation, but it does have a political message… The Jamaat has decided to take serious steps regarding Muslims’ issues, including reservations, action on the recommendations of the Ranganath Mishra Commission, and the anti-communal violence bill. We will try to persuade the parties to chart special plans for improvements in the present political, educational and economic conditions of Muslims, among other things,” Umri said, according to the report.”

    SEEMA CHISTIE IN INDIAN EXPRESS, 11-11-11.

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    Ravi Reply:

    So YOUR point is “shivers up the trolls’ spine”. The rest is a report that some one else wrote.

    Right!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have ordered heavy duty winter clothing from Siberia – express delivery, as I am already “shivering”.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I am of the opinion that ABUSE was the sole reason of this post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    u r right. Their agenda of creating differences would flop…

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  • Ramesh Kumar

    THESE DETAILS ARE PROBABLY ALREADY SETTLED.THERE IS A CONCEPT OF ADVANCE PLANNING.MMS AND PARTY HAD BEEN PLANNING FOR MONTHS.

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  • anil

    I personaly feel that Kiran Bedi is also part of corrupt indian like us.
    3 things i personaly know
    1. Her daughter’s M.B.B.S admission using her post influence – is form of corruption.
    2. Misusing IAC fund for filling her pocket – corruption act.
    3. Running NGO – aap ki kacchari – selling indian’s family emotion in media and her NGO is indulging in taking money from people whose complaint is made by their family member. Though her NGO doesn’t have any legal authority, they are blackmailing people openly.
    These are 3 things which are evident and proven till date. There will be so many things which is hidden from common people.
    In short In my opinion, she is as corrupt as we are. Its good she is not part of Kezriwal team.

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  • b ruse

    necessary ntsCompt

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  • Neil

    A crisp and clear summary. Love it.

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  • Bu

    Like u mate

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  • sahil

    Wishful thinking, does not cost anything, so keep on dreaming. Even with nato and u.s. in afghanistan 3/4th of the country is in the grip of taliban and you think alqaida won’t make a comeback with out taliban given enough power in kabul. The u.s. knows it fully well, only you seem to dream otherwise. Even the northern alliance and the afghan national army is nothing but a ragtag group where tribal loyalty is more important than national pride and wither away in the face of taliban onslaught. The high attrition rate and the green on green attacks are testimony to th7s. So don’t joice in the pain of afghans and help in finding a peaceful solution to the problem.

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  • Scorpio

    The danger of islamic terrorism emanating from pakistan and a taliban controlled Afghanistan is very real. India must bring Russia and China on board to deal with terrorism which will affect them. Any sign of such terror must be exterminated and pakistan dismantled as a political entity and subjected to a blockade.

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