A Frits on the Aryan debate



Frits Staal, a Dutch Indologist and Sanskrit scholar, died on February. I read one of his latest books on the Vedas last year. It was a wonderful read, especially in describing the Athirathram, an ancient Vedic ritual that included a construction of a fire altar shaped like a bird.

But I also remember that Staal tried to bridge the long-standing debate between linguists and geneticists about the Aryan migration into India. It was linguists who had first argued that there must have been a migration of an Indo-European language speaking race into north India from somewhere in Central Asia and came to dominate a pre-existing Dravidian population. And this happened 4000 to 5000 years ago.

Then came the geneticists who carefully sampled the populations in India and northwestern Asia. Their conclusion was that there was no evidence, on the basis of gene markers, of any recent migratory links between the two populations.

Staal tried to bridge this divide in a cultured, reasoned way — unlike some of the public debates between the two Aryan schools which have been quite bitter. Staal argued, for example, that the gene studies used mitochondrial DNA which is passed down through the female line. So his solution was that the Aryan migration — he insisted it wasn’t an invasion — was probably bands of men crossing over the mountains of Afghanistan. Which made some sense: at that point in time the mountains to India’s northwest would have forested, filled with wild animals and lacking any roads and paths. Families would have perished en route.

He also had other explanations about how the idea of the chariot could have come over the hills. And he also tried to explain why the earlier Vedas have no mention of migration from the northwest. This was built into certain Vedic rituals, including the Athirathram, he argued, but the coded symbolism had been forgotten over the millennia.

Of course, his arguments are not really persuasive. There have been gene studies that looked at markers in the male line as well and they confirm the mitochondrial studies. And the coded symbolism is interesting but not persuasive.

Geneticists now seem to believe that there was a migration that occurred, but probably 40,000 to 50,000 years ago. But then the question is how the obvious linguistic link between India, Southwest Asia and Europe arose. It is clearly younger than 40,000 years.

So now we have theories about two or three waves of migration, but much smaller ones that followed the original very old biggie. How did they impose their language on a much more numerous indigenous population then? Who knows? An epidemic perhaps? As Javed Diamond described, disease has been a great equalizer in past ancient confrontations. And small conquering the large is not uncommon in history. As few as 20,000 Central Asian Turks are believed to have conquered the much larger Greek population in Anatolia, imposed their language and created the modern Turkish population — who today would be horrified to be told they a genetically Greek.

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  • Anonymous

    @Zia, ISN’T INDIA SUPPOSED TO BE A SECULAR REPUBLIC, thus religion cannot dictate the state . MUSLIMS CAN COME FROM GUJRAT TO WEST BENGAL , there are plenty og beef on sale in park circus market and entally and anywhere where is a demand .Incidentally in park circus market and even in 90% hindu populated area like KASBA market PORK sells freely.The STATE owned shop used tosell sausages in jodhpur park market in south calcutta.
    I WOULD SAY SALVATION OF INDIA LIES IN EATING BOTH PORK AND BEEF.

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  • Anonymous

    The author has made at least one grievous factually incorrect statement in this article.

    Whale meat does NOT make up one-quarter of the Japanese diet. In fact, only a tiny fraction of the Japanese population actually consumes whale — as little as 1%.

    This lack of regular consumption also reveals the misleading supposition that there is great cultural significance to whaling in Japan. Jun Morikawa, in his book “Whaling in Japan: Power, Politics, and Diplomacy”, explains that whaling was only ever a tradition in certain isolated coastal villages, like Taiji.

    At the start of the 20th century, Japanese modern whaling began with the adoption of Norwegian methods, technology, and even Norwegians hired as crew. Powered ships, canon-fired explosive-tipped harpoons, and later factory ships with refrigerated storage were all used for mass production. Japan’s whalers exported whale oil to Western countries for margarine production and fuel.

    It wasn’t until WWII and the post war recovery that whale meat became a significant source of protein nationally. Whale was a substitute meat. As the economy recovered, when Japanese families could afford it, they purchased meat other than whale even when whale was cheaper. Today, if the government did not include whale meat in compulsory school lunches most Japanese children would never know the taste.

    Japan’s whaling continues due to the corrupt influence of entrenched bureaucrats (amakudari) who often leave their government jobs to take high paid positions in the commercial whaling industry they once oversaw, and secured tax funded subsidies for, as public officials.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Higher class Muslims never eat beef. It is only the weaker classes who prefer to eat beef as it is a cheaper alternative to mutton or chicken. Muslims don’t eat pork, as is well-known. Christians too are not supposed to eat pork as it is forbidden in their bible, but christians being mostly influenced by the West, they do any illegal and immoral act wit impunity.
    In South India, a huge majority of Hindus eat beef, pork, mutton, chicken – in short any non-veg meat is game to them.

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  • Manujsk

    Cow slaughter should be allowed by Hindus as much as painting the Prophet in all vivid colors :) Care to have some fun with colors and imagination, Zia?

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  • Anonymous

    Absolutely useless topic. I feel if RSS is crazy, Zia Haq is 100 times more crazier.

    “Passively worship Cow”..I never knew not eating an animal is “passively worship that animal”. I am sure muslims have never eaten a Tiger, does that mean they worship Tiger. What about PIG?

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  • RajX

    I agree with Zia on this. There are many people including many Hindus who eat beef. There should not be any laws to prevent these people from having what they want. I beleive that’s the case in many states. Maybe this is an issue in some states but not in most. Zia should add some numbers in his article. Without numbers, the full picture is not revealed.

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  • Anonymous
  • RajX

    In this article Zia makes some good points and then goes into a communal spiral like most of the arabized do.

    “By subjecting Muslims or others who consume beef to a cow-slaughter ban, are they also being made to passively worship the cow”

    So compulsary shutting down of restaurants during eid fasting period in many muslim countries means nonmuslims in that country are made to worship Arab Allah? Can take the communal nastiness out of the arabized. They just can’t help it. Communalism has become a part of them.

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  • engrich

    IS EATING PORK ALLOWED IN ANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES?

    except saudi arabia it is allowed in every muslim country.

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  • engrich

    : What a pity our idli-sambar, micro-minority, grass-eating papans have killed the world’s most popular game — football.

    Their heart is in the stupid cricket, a game which is neither man nor woman. IPL frauds. Olympics has ranked India at 133, below some unknown islands. What a shame that the Brahminical India is at the bottom in everything — though it is the world’s No.2 in population. But No.1 in bragging, boasting, cheating, manipulating. Shameless fellows.

    The hate-mongering Brahminists starved our robust Muslims and SC/ST/BCs, banned cow slaughter which made them weak and killed their stamina, affecting our sports. Vegetarianism killed our sports which will be proved in the asian Games in which India will eat the dust.

    Brahminists are killing India itself. We have said it repeatedly. A land where milk and honey were once flowing is today blighted beyond recognition

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  • Plumbline

    God does not dwell in buildings made by man. But He wants to dwell in YOU.

    One simple prayer made the difference for me.

    When we experience God personally, as I did about 34 years ago. Alone in my
    apartment I felt Jesus speaking to my heart. I did not grow up in a christian
    home and was a rebel, almost dying in a motorcycle accident when I was 17. I had
    a revelation that turned my life around. I had a strange desire to go to church.
    Imagine that. I had an old Bible in my home given to me as a baby dedication.
    Never had read it. When I had tried a few times in my life, I could never
    understand it. When I started to read it after hearing God speak to me, saying,
    give me your life, and I will make it what it should be, I started to understand
    the Bible. It made sense, like nothing else in this world. It explained where
    evil came from, the fall of mankind, their is a devil at work in the world,
    blinding people to the light of Jesus Christ. It explained about Israel and why
    they are persecuted, and how the messiah was to come from Israel, born
    of a
    virgin, God walking the earth as a man. Then to die in our place on a cruel
    cross, bearing our sins upon himself. Then rising from the dead, to enter heaven
    as our Eternal High Priest, ever living to make intercession for us. He is
    coming back as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, to reign upon this earth as King
    of Kings, and Lord of Lords. You can have a place in his kingdom, if
    you ask Jesus Christ into your heart. You can be born again of His Holy Spirit
    and recieve the Gift of Eternal Life. Then start reading the New Testament.

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  • Kumars1

    Falling asleep zzzzzzzzz

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  • Arshad Ali

    Stupid..Cow is not Holy in Islam..rather Muslims consider it to be Halal ( permissible). Your ignorance leads you to this Idiosyncrasy.

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  • Arshad Ali

    Islam has nothing to do with Cows..rather it talks about Cattle ( A’naam) . Islam never prescribes eating of Cow. Moreover, most of the Muslims avoid eating beef.
    Even if people take beef, it is generally the bullock or Buffalo.

    I see a deliberate effort by Zia (la)Haq to ignite the fire of communalism and the Press is promoting that.

    I guess, funded by RSS.

    @ Zia, theology is a specialised subject. Dont exhibit your ignorance in such an evident manner. Have some education before you utter some rubbish like this.

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