India and Europe: Mutual scepticism



Japan is on the nuclear brink, the jasmine revolution is withering and the Indian parliament is in an uproar over a Wikileak document about how money was used to buy votes in favour of the Indo-US nuclear deal. Having immersed myself all day in these issues, I will write about something completely different.

No relationship that India has is more frustrating than its ties with Europe. Europeans pride themselves on their civil society, how much they represent the finest ideals of political liberalism and see themselves as being key players in the international system.

Then they run into India. India, probably the most successful democratic experiment in the developing world, is the type of country which the European elite believes should be looking to them for guidance.

But Indian leaders treat Europe, especially as a collective group, with disdain. Beijing has taken Brussels more seriously than New Delhi. As a summary of a Chatham House study on Indian views of Europe concluded: “Europe is simply unattractive to India, especially by comparison with the United States. Many Indians regard it as ’socially and culturally protectionist’, and as offering interest only on account of its ‘exotic tourist appeal’.” (See the full study) The view of European leaders, as the latest Transatlantic Trends survey of the German Marshall Fund shows, is more constructive than that of their Indian counterparts. Asked about the likelihood of India “exerting strong leadership” five years from now, European leaders were marginally more positive than US leaders (68 to 66 per cent). But this may reflect the fact that India’s bilateral interactions with the main European countries in particular is generally positive. (See)

What is interesting in the Trends survey is the generally negative attitude that the European public takes about India. The American public are the loudest cheerleaders for the idea of a globally important India it seems – 74 per cent, more than their own leadership. The European public is the most skeptical about the idea – 41 per cent, well below the views of their own leaders and nearly half the enthusiasm of Americans. Mind you, the European Street is generally more disinclined to believe that any emerging power is going to be at the high table of power than their own leadership or their American counterparts. The feeling is mutual. On and off surveys of Indian attitudes towards a united Europe indicate no particular hostility, but definitely no belief in the EU as being a major global player. Europe, as the Chatham House study noted, “ranks at the bottom of the list of partners in India’s multipolar understanding of the future geometry of world affairs.” Hindustan Times surveys of its readers show an equal lack of interest. Australia scores higher than all of continental Europe.

This is curious. After all, the rise of India, unlike the rise of China, is about the rise of a civil society rather than a state. And that is exactly what the EU is all about too. And yet these two societies don’t really care much for each other.

My general view is that Indians tend to be most favourable about countries who match or fulfill their own aspirations. This means countries associated with a lower middle class Indian’s access to technology, immigration and education. And increasingly with assistance to India’s own rise as a country of international influence. The US fits. The EU doesn’t.

I am not clear why Europeans tend to be dismissive of India. A key reason is probably that continental European interaction with India has historically been low and remains relatively thin and narrow. The dominant European images of India remain what they were in the US about 25 years ago: poverty, Mother Teresa, Kashmir, and so on. In addition, India’s security role is a matter of complete disinterest. Europe’s security concerns are in North Africa, the Caucasus and Russia. That is outside even India’s desired sphere of influence. Corpprate interest means this is changing. And I notice an ever larger number of European PhD students passing through my office. The decline of Britain’s profile – the traditional European liaison for India – among Indians hasn’t helped either since. No European country has stepped up to fill the gap, though Germany and the Nordics are stirring the pot a bit.(For a partial analysis of UK-India relations see)

1 Star2 Stars3 Stars4 Stars5 Stars (10 votes, average: 3.3 out of 5)
Loading ... Loading ...
  • Johnson Thomas K

    The problem with Europe is it’s taken over by semi communist ideals which are a cover to pretend that they made their wealth by their own grandiose brains. It was only through colonization in North and South Americas, Asia and Africa that Europe made its wealth (assured markets/mineral wealth, treasure house to plunder). To cover this up Europe sends its charity brigade to Africa and Asia to patronize the developing countries. The Europeans played very significant role in destroying the economic growth of India, China and Russia by the exportation of communism which is the most self destructive economic policy through the ownership of the means of production by the bureaucrats in the name of the proletariat. Let me point out that even Indian historical accomplishments are serially demolished by the European “researchers” to titillate themselves whilst both India and China had about 70% of the global GDP until the early 17th century. The European historian’s claims that everything originated in Babylonia, Egypt, Persia etc was solely to deny the contribution to the world by both China and India whether it is in the case of the Indo-European languages or civilization and early scientific innovations in Asia. The European thinkers a century and a half ago eulogized and revered India but today’s European philosophers have only contempt for India. No wonder Indians rate Australia as more important than the EU.

    The Europeans’ role in fomenting the Israeli-Palestinian conflict just like the Kashmir conflict by selectively promoting human rights -the Jasmine revolution proves that the dictatorships in the whole of West Asia are far bigger human rights violators than Israel is not beyond the Indian capabilities to understand. The recent European arrogance in sending human rights observers to ensure speedy trial and human rights protection for Dr. Binayak Sen is the worst kind of patronization even for legal reasons as under the EU Law the EU observers who are part of the EU Executive have no observer or supervisory status over the EU courts due to doctrine of separation of powers. The Europeans should get off their self instituted moral pedestal and learn a lesson or two from the Americans as they did not send any observers to Dr. Sens’s trial. Once Europeans stop their media companies from focusing on all the slums, disease, disasters, floods, poverty all the time whilst censoring good news and developments in these same developing countries the people in Europe also would have a better perception of India.

    Another issue is that of the European tax havens who profit from the tax evasion and money laundering in developing countries. I know Germany, France and Britain are changing their equation with India more positively but more needs to be done by the Europeans as their so called “independent” media and “intelligentsia” has been creating this wide spread tepid interest in India amongst the EU citizens.

    Jasmine revolution if it were to succeed it could even make several European banks that hoard the tax evasion/money laundering of the developing countries could go bankrupt. But this crisis could be still turned in to mutual benefit (win-win situation) by more co-operations (not between the corrupt governments in the developing countries but with the developing countries as an entity where governments could change and expose the Europeans with egg on their faces).

    The European Charity industry ought to stop their charity business and instead devise win- win economic partnerships in the developing countries. China according to Bloomberg is investing about $35 billion for railway development in Africa. The Europeans could have done it but their cheap political motive was to create a relationship of the giver and the recipient (subservience) between Europe and the developing countries. To accomplish this sinister objective they employed the charities, human rights organizations and the media. Now Europe is helpless before China’s development role in Africa.

    The Europeans should thank the developing countries for not hating them despite all the genocide, denigration and plunder they perpetrated in the developing countries in the past 300 or so years. I am yet to hear about a Booker Prize winner who is a right winger!!! I know such bold EU leadership to create win- win partnerships in India is totally lacking in EU. It may need more David Cameron’s and less seizure of Generic drugs by the Dutch. How will an educated Indian think when their country is patronized by the EU with the help of some pro-European (European educated) Indians? Europeans should cease the destruction of the dignity and national pride of the developing countries then they could really re-invent the Indo-EU relationship (Please No colonial trickery though)

    I know it is all my wishful thinking about European. Europe is not going to change may be it is good for the developing countries as they can have a coalition of the willing for economic co-operation even with some of the EU member nations. India needs no lessons from Europeans about sexual liberalism as it is a country which produced the Kama sutra and the temple dancers when their women were in purdha (ankle length gowns). The Europeans ought to appreciate that criticizing Europe is not the same as hating Europe. I don’t think anyone in India hates Europe despite their colonial atrocities and plunder, so if Europeans borrow a bit of Indian magnanimity in not hating them and about treating others with dignity there could be a seismic change in Indo-European relationship. This is only a work of fiction though as it is not going to happen.

    [Reply]

  • Naveed

    India’s tilt towards Christian Europe/USA and Zionist Israel is quite obvious during the present UPA government led by Sonia Gandghi and Manmohan Singh. What is shocking is that money was used to purchase the votes of the Parliamentarians. Where did the money come from? Who provide that large sums? Did it come from USA/Europe or from the Jews of the world? Trace the source of the money and every political and business agenda would become clear.

    [Reply]

  • prashant saxena

    It is interesting that you cocieve of India as a global leader and speculate about the views of others towards this seemingly foregone conclusion.
    I see very real dangers for India ahead. The absolutely directionless and completely corrupt polity is probably our number one obstacle. I cannot see a country with leadership so completely lacking in moral fiber, that parliamentarians are openly traded for their votes, criminals commit dastardly crimes are elected and then selected to ministerial appointments, no political party has any vision or agenda except getting elected to power, everyone connected to politicians is grabbing contracts, money etc, the list is exhaustive.
    The second challenge is the nearly complete lack of character of the public at large. Everyone including judges, army officers, beuraucrats, public servants, educators are on the take for money.
    the most shocking thing is that degrees are faked, marksheets have no meaning everything is traded for money.
    The growth rate miracle that is driving everyones glassy eyed dreams is a bubble, that will soon burst when FIIs withdraw their investments when inflation gets out of control. No political party has the wherewithal or the moral courage to tackle the greed of baniyas and vegetable sellers.
    That will prove to be the final nail, individual greed. And soon.

    [Reply]

    Kedarnath Mahapatra Reply:

    I entirely agree with you. If civil society in India doesn’t take corrective action we are going to face real danger. I have reason to think that Indian leaders treating Europe with disdain may be arrogance on their part rather than national pride.

    [Reply]

    Vikas Reply:

    Do the FIIs have option. China and India facing inflation, are still the growth engines. I think India has a future in long term, and its good for Europe to align to the reality sooner then later.

    [Reply]

    prashant saxena Reply:

    I hope and pray India has a bright future. While it seems they don’t have any other options to make a quick buck at this point, FIIs are increasingly risk averse due to all the minor and major economic downturns, like the US housing bubble, the Japanese crisis etc.
    When India’s inflation grows investment will slow down, leading to a loss of jobs. But people will still have their mortgages on expensive houses and cars. When these mortgages are defaulted there will be a fiscal crisis just like in the US. Investment flow has a momentum in the market, not just logic. And the slowdown has already started. Before it picks momentum, we will have to reverse it.
    Therefore it is so essential to control inflation.
    But our dhotiwallahs are more interested in their own personal political and monetary gains.

    [Reply]

  • kuldeep

    You have very correctly and bluntly highlighted the true picture and the future Indians are heading into. I dont see that forth-sightedness, bureaucracy, and intelligence in Indian politicians that is needed at this juncture. According to the atest reports, investors are already packing their bags. Something needs to be done quickly otherwise it will be too late.

    [Reply]

  • Raj

    Europe is a political entity, the EU, being a collective of independent entities rather than a singular country. While we may argue for political interaction with ‘Europe’, we cannot box them up together. Unlike the Indian Union, the EU is a collection of sovereign nations, it’s not a Union of any sort. The US is a also, similar to India, a Union, not a collection of sovereign nations.

    As such, when we’re talking about diplomatic relations, the difference between India-US and India-EU relationship is that we have smaller needed for India-Britain or India-Germany or India-France – these are separate channels. But do we have a specific India-California or India-New York channel? Nope.

    With different diplomatic channels, different strategies emerge. Germany, given their export oriented policies, is hardly a FDI source, they are the China of Europe. What kind of relationship would India want with such a country, apart from their exports? Britain, apart from it’s education exports, what kind of imports would the country need from the UK? What about France, apart from military hardware and high-technology transfer, what can France within an EU setting do?

    The comparison, to my own view, is a wrong one – Europe is not a sovereign entity and the EU, without it’s collective, is a very weak world player. NATO without the US is as important as ASEAN, little international influence.

    I think EU, as an entity cannot command the same strategies as the American Union, though I might say that country-specific strategies might apply – remember, even in the UN, the EU are not represented as the continent or the body ‘EU’, they are independently represented… England and France still occupying their permanent seats… so, what does that tell you about the EU outside Europe?

    The EU is divided, leaderless and is a purely ceremonial as an entity – and the Europeans, individually, have little to offer India.

    [Reply]

  • sp

    I remember , just before leaving Britain after my studies, out of genuine courtesy I invited one of my flat mate, who was of British origin to India. I told him, if you ever plan to visit India please do so, and give me a call I could take you all around etc….. His response in a condescending tone was “Alright mate sure we will come and visit your VILLAGE!!!. Well thats is what is an European commoner’s impression of India. Even today Indians or people with Indian features are always looked upon as illegal immigrants. This is rather normal in traditional societies. Where as you never come across such situations in immigrant countries like US and Canada, where every one is or was and immigrant, except for the first nations people who in fact resemble Indians.

    Except for Germany and few other, most of Europe has become culturally and economically stagnant. They have become consumer societies, like Britain which only consumes and does not produce much. It may be good to live in such countries for a few years, but beyond that when the mind gets stagnant it wants a challenge. Such challenge can happen only on producer economies like the US or India. No wonder we share a similar perspective.

    [Reply]

  • Mitra

    Interesting analysis! I liked the way you describe European sterotypes about India – “poverty, Mother Teresa and Kashmir” – that was amusing and well written! How about the view of the Middle Eastern and Islamic countries towards India? I bet its even more negative than European views – I was looking at this from a survey. Maybe America and perhaps Canada views us more postiively than the European countries because of the enormous success of many talented Indian professionals/academics/business leaders in those countries. I live in Australia and the current controversy over Indian students and the alleged racism of Australians seems to have had some impact on Australian perceptions of India – but even so the Australians are probably more open minded than the Europeans.

    [Reply]

  • hmani

    Americans see the big picture,India is large,even though it is poor country, fraud mark sheet,fraud doctor ?it is important enough as it has still pool of educated people(we have to keep it that way,)we can not afford to scandalize our education,that is one thing which Indians get respect,no more fraud mark sheet and fraud degree.Once we get reputation,all will be lost,the GOi has to treat corruption seriously and punish the guilty,We NRI have earned respect the hard way,we earned it.,in USA,it is the one country which treat us with reasonable respect.I have been USa for almost 1/2 a century,Indians,engineers,doctors and IT people are still seen as asset.American cut our corrupt and messy democracy some slack,but Europe and do not,as they have seen India more closely,for USA it is 300 million have, and rest not,but 300 million middle class is a lot in fact larger than most country!It has done business with worse lot,but for own good we got to get handle on1)corruption,2)get handle on GOI with more transprency and accountability,3)get the country on meritacracy4)spend more money on better roads,social and civil institution5)better human value record6)shelter,health care and safe drinking water,7)good police and better enforcement for Law and Order8)punishing gross criminals faster punishment that means reform of court and justice system.I have been here for long,I dare not break rules here,punishment is fast ,sure and swift.That is main difference between USA democracy and Indian one.You can not play around with justice system,that is because rich people think they are VVIP and immune to punishment,that has to be changed.American give give every one a chance,but Europeans think India is beyond salvation and beyond repair,I find many Indians also think that way ,you can not fault them for it,the “JURY IS STILL OUT ON INDIA ‘we really do not know,it is not getting better,it 1/2 empty instead 1/2 full.

    [Reply]

  • DebarchnaPalDREAMS

    suzanne?attractive??she looks so bad and she is so besharam and ill-mannered.hrithik is so unlucky for marrying to a an unwanted escort like her.after watching them together in kwk 3, i can understand how much she ’s disperate n why hrithik has so many affairs. stop desrespecting a great person like hrithik .he is the ony man who takes his wife’s name even though she’s a loser n nothing without him.then what should u say about srgay who flirts with women even in front of his gorgeous wife,life GAURI KHAN. she actually deserves all love n respect.

    [Reply]

  • http://www.facebook.com/dirgha.prasai Dirgha Raj Prasai

    Respected Editor and Readers !
    Good Morning from Kathmandu !
    Yes !I think- there are so many problems that there
    will be no the consensus to complete the peace process and the writing of a
    constitution among the parties. Another major sticking point is how to
    integrate thousands of Maoist fighters housed in camps since the nation’s civil
    war ended in 2006. A proposal to integrate them into the Nepal Army will be
    failed because Nepal’s
    Army officers do not want integration of such Maoist’s -ism trained
    workers. Dr. Baburam Bhattarai, known as a so-called qualified and confused writer
    seems extremely controversial.
    Nowhere in the world,
    would a country be able to protect its sovereignty by making the national army
    weak and powerless? The national army can’t compare with Maoist’s army. Now, in
    Nepal,
    we have two kinds of army- the national army and the Maoist’s army. Can we
    imagine two kinds of army in a country?

    The creator of the Maoist rebellion was Girija.
    After 1992, in the name of annihilating Masal-Communists (later called the
    Maoists) murder, suppression, and rape crossed the limit. In revenge, Maoists
    systematically killed thousands of civilians, police and army personnel.
    Millions worth of physical infrastructures were destroyed or burned. And since
    2005, Girija (leader of NC) joined hands with the Maoists. JNU Prof -S.D.Muni,
    the strategist of RAW had given the 12-point anti-Nepal agendas of the
    Republic, Secularism and Federal states to the perverted leaders of the parties
    and a few lawyers, doctors, and journalists to end the existence of Nepal.

    The Maoists are using their agendas and are
    opening a ‘Pandora’s Box’- a one-party communist anarchism. The Maoist Party
    has own army. It is a big conspirator that the Maoist fighters(Co-called army) almost have joined with the New Mohan Baidha Maoist’s party and Baburam Bhattarai. There are may be only 6-8 hundreds fighter can join in Nepal army. It may be to disturb Nepal army’s secrecy. So, it is not believable that the Maoists are supporting the democratic peaceful sense.
    I am sorry to write that it was a great blunder
    of Indian diplomats- Shyam Saran- former Indian ambassador and former foreign
    Secretary of India (who is widely credited with bringing the present
    instability in Nepal), and Sive Shankar Mukharejee, former foreign minister, KB
    Rajan- former Indian ambassador Rakesh Sood- former ambassador, Prof.SD Muni
    (RAW strategist) and other officials who not only blundered in their assessment
    of the Maoists but also did much harm to Indian’s interests in Nepal. Among diplomats,
    Shyam Saran is a very ambitious diplomat who could not calculate the good
    result.

    Due to the Indian diplomats’ mistakes and the result became bad for India also. Now all the agendas of Democratic System are in risk. The intention of Maoist is to
    create one party communist regime. The Maoist never supports constitutional
    democratic system in Nepal
    including India. Then, we should find the solution to save Nepal-
    constitutionally. The 1990 Constitution was not abolished in a appropriate constitutional
    manner. The 1990 Constitution should implement with monarchy to provide a
    momentum for the nation. This is the point of solution. Nor China comes
    with Communism for its security. We must remain alert from foreign conspiracy
    and suicidal activities of despicable leaders. It is high time we sacrifice in
    name of country by joining shoulder to shoulder with the national army,
    security organs and patriotic Nepali people with the King. It is the compulsion of Nepal and India.

    Thank you.
    Dirgha Raj Prasai

    Email:
    dirgharajprasai@gmail.com

    [Reply]

  • Joseph Kurian

    Is it in the interests of the common man, the citizens of Nepal, that the ones in power, debating in Kathmandu, cannot agree to form a constitution for 6 years?!?!
    People are around who suffer with no power or even the basic feature of a decent road to a hospital; inflation is at a high…the list can go on!

    [Reply]