India, the US and a permanent seat



In a recent interaction with a group of American foreign policy wonks who were seeking to understand where India-US relations could go, the inevitable question of why didn’t Washington endorse India’s candidacy for a permanent seat in the United Nations Security Council.

The ensuing debate was interesting because it threw up a dissident school on both the Indian and American sides.

The Indian dissidents asked why India was even asking for a seat. Their argument: get the economy to keep growing and in time the world would inevitably invite you to take such a seat. If your economy bombed, you shouldn’t be trying for a seat in the first place. Why did India want to place itself in a position where it would have to make difficult and tricky decisions?

More interesting was the divide in the American ranks.

Some argued, “Let’s endorse them. What do we have to lose?” Their argument was that UN reform was such a hairy and tangled ball that it was pretty much impossible to bring into play. Washington could win some brownie points with India (isolate China as onenoted) and not be blamed if nothing happened afterwards. Too many players had to be on board for the US to be blamed.

But another school of thought said no – and I noticed they were largely ex-diplomats. They argued BECAUSE there was little of chance of India or anyone else getting a permanent seat, the US needed to avoid an endorsement. If the US supported India’s bid and then didn’t succeed in delivering, the repercussions for Indo-US relations would terrible. There was an argument that Indians would understand this was mission impossible and just see it as an act of goodwill from the US.

A further argument was that even a rhetorical flush by the US would be seized by India and pushed to come through on its word. India does this regularly they said, getting a molehill of language and making it into a mountain of commitment.

After some thought – and I contemplated both dissident schools – I concluded they were not off the mark. India would secure this prize on the back of its economy, not its lobbying. The second was that it was probably better to be honest in the relationship rather than raise false expectations. Obama will probably say something fuzzily supportive of India’s bid forthe seat. Just enough for a headline or two. But nothing more.

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  • Gary Zaetz

    As a nephew of USAAF 1st Lt. Irwin Zaetz of the US Army Air Force, lost in Arunachal Pradesh, India, along with his entire 8-man crew in 1944, I have received from the US Defense Department’s Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC) a number of communications over a period of several months, all of which clearly accuse the Government of India of responsibility for the unacceptable delays in the completion of this recovery operation. That the Indian Government failed to deny these accusations (after I brought them to the attention of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs) can only lead me to believe that these accusations must be true.It should be clear to anyone familiar with the provisions of international humanitarian law that the Indian Government’s actions and inactions – putting up huge obstacles to the repatriation of my uncle’s remains and the remains of over 400 other American airmen lost in northeast India during the Second World War – amounts to a flagrant violation of obligations imposed on the Indian Government by the Geneva Convention and its Additional Protocol I to cooperate fully with US and families’ requests for the recovery and repatriation of these remains. These obligations have been reinforced in more recent years by resolutions of the United Nations General Assembly and the World Congresses of the International Committee of the Red Cross and Red Crescent.I am in the process of filing a complaint against the Government of India with the International Committee of the Red Cross. The intent of this complaint is to force the Government of India to remove all impediments to an expeditious recovery of all American World War II airmen missing in India. While many private Indian citizens have expressed a wonderful degree of support for the return of the bodies of American soldiers, along with many leaders of the Indian opposition parties, I have received very little in the way of assistance from the ruling United Progressive Alliance.I am grateful to the US JPAC agency for bringing India’s breaches of basic standards of international humanitarian conduct to the attention of my family, the other families of my uncle’s crew, and the families of all American airmen lost in India in World War II….Gary Zaetz, Cary, North Carolina, United States

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  • Anand

    I totally agree. Shit it, sell it. But, don’t put a paisa into it. The people who work there all deserve to loose their jobs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mr ANAND IS A NO BALANCE MAN

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    Anonymous Reply:

    mr anand make sure that u r not in a commercial publicity war against a company

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  • kumar

    I never fly Air India – had a really bad experience once. The crew thinks they are doing their customers a favor by ‘helping’ them. But wait, isn’t that behavior true with the staff of nationalized banks too! Moral of the story: Privatize them and then let the customers vote with their wallets. If they serve their customers well, they will swim or let them sink.

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  • Anonymous

    AIR INDIA SOLUTION – SPLIT IT, SPLIT IT, SPLIT IT AND THEN PRIVATISE IT, PRIVATISE IT, PRIVATISE IT FOLLOWED BY CUT SHORT HEAD COUNT, CUT SHORT HEAD COUNT, CUT SHORT HEAD COUNT!

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    Last year, the people of this country came out very strongly in support of Anna Hazare’s movement against corruption. Is the waste of public resources in propping up a terminally sick Air India also not a form of corruption ?

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  • Marathaindian

    Air India is a national shame. The people from the slums look and behave any day better than these hideous and repugnant crew.

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    SB Reply:

    If AI is national Shame of an Indian then what about AA for amrican??

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  • Hari Haran, Dxb

    ABSOLUTELY – SHUT IT DOWN WITH HUGE PADLOCKS AND THROW THE KEY INTO THE PACIFIC OCEAN. Well, it is so obvious that these Politicians keep it afloat to keep milking it – to shore up their bank accounts in Swiss and of course free rides to themselves & their family including their personal servants . And the management milks it for the same reason. The employees – think of it as a job-guarantee and involve in all forms of protests, strikes & pathetic attitide towards their work and customers. NO MORE BAIL-OUTS TO THIS PATHETIC AIRLINE – WHICH SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CALLED AN AIRLINE – AS NO ONE WANTS TO FLY IT. I have had an equally bad experience and have never flown it in last 12 years. I would give my business to a rather Oman Air than to IA /AI.

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    Thunderbird1778 Reply:

    Mr.Hari Sadooooooo,
    why are you wasting your energy by posting here when you have to be chilling out in DXB weather….. By the way dont take me wrong when i ask you why u Praise Oman Air when u are at DXB….Think you are out of your mind dude….

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  • Anonymous

    Government had decided to sell this airline long time ago. Mr. Praful Patel was
    made an aviation minister for this reason only. His job was to bring Air India at
    such a horrible level that whole media and public start speaking against this
    airline so that government can claim that they had no choice but to sell this
    loss making airline. We will see in near future that this will be sold for peanuts
    to a private company and our ‘honest’ ministers will pocket huge money which
    they will get under the table. This government is run by crooks and criminals.

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    Remss Reply:

    You said it right. The ministers ruined AI. It all went as per his plan and he made his exit after doing all that he can. His plan worked out so well. he knew that people like Kumar, Anand, Viswaksen etc… will do any study of AI loss.You should critisice UPA govt for this AI mess. Shutting down is not an option. Employees are no way involved in Govts failed policies and decisions. I request you people to fly at least once in AI and feel the difference. Brand new aircrafts, polite and experienced crew and good food on board. We must appreciate the crew & staff because all of them are working without getting salary and allowances for months… I have flown many times in AI and only one time in a Jetlite flight. All AI flights were on time and done smooth take off and landings. The Jetlite flight was late by 2 hrs, cabin crew woke me up from my sleep to hand over a list of On board shopping items, The landing of Jetlite was very rough and I feared for my life.

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  • Anonymous

    I know your pain only too well.

    Air India, Indian Airlines or whatever government run flying monstrosity they’d like to call it, I have completely sworn off them. I advise and tell everybody who I know and those who are unaware as to never ever travel with in that dirty flying cattle cart called Air India.

    The current bankruptcy is but the latest and most visible sign in the deep malaise and rot that has made a nest in the heart of what is actually an employment agency for unemployable cabin crew and pilots. The idea in Air India seems to be that the customer is a piece of trash that they carry from one cesspool to another – in effect they operate a trash truck and in doing so are doing everybody in the nation a favor.

    The entire airline needs to shut down, cut up and sold off in scraps and pieces to private companies or other foreign airlines who will run like a real company -where things like customer satisfaction and safety are important. And where they don’t hire Eastern European cab drivers to fly planes into the ground.

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  • Anonymous

    Hey man, don’t hog all the ganja!

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  • Anonymous

    Our PM and President fly on AIR FORCE flights not Air India (god forbid! ). Second, if not for Air India, any other airline would do it the government paid for them to do it. Do you think Jet Airways wouldn’t do it ? Plus, that job was the responsibility of the Indian air force not Air India. AIr India was used because our government was too pathetic.

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  • Grkharat

    Mr Mahapatra,
    We at Airindia have many good stories also to quote about our services like Kuwait evacuation and recent evacuations in middle east not with standing the fact that many good instances go unquoted whereas few bad once get publicised by ill informed people like you.
    FYI we all employees of Airindia have families and there obligations to take care of for which our jobs are only souce of income , for you it is very easy to make a judjment that Airindia should close down .
    With regards to your stament of draining the tax payers money FYI it is necc to clarify that GOI had invested only Rs 150 crores in erstwhile AIrindia as share capital agst which profits have been credited to the exchequer for many years , we have also been always meeting many social oblogations by our services for countrys economic developments which should not be ignored as no pvt sector company would have undertaken this activity.

    Hence we rqst you that make opinions with level head.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000656432934 Bhargav Thantry

    I dont understand why all of us are so narrow minded. If you feel something is not proper then u should have the guts to change it instead of crying over it. Whoever has posted this aricle is very immature. Air India is a fantastic airline and it is the airline of my choice. Just because it is a govt airline, all of you are just bragging about it.
    Have you checked out AI’s US routes…??? It is a superhit and AI has won numerous awards on those sectors too. If you dont wont to travel by AI then shut up and find some other airline, speculation hurts the brand image.
    The current problem what AI is facing is because of the UPA govt. Their services are just excellent. Its not justifiable to take up the issue of what happened long long ago and judge the airline on it. Think practical guys…!! wake up..!!
    Its easy to sit and brag about anything without knowing what it is..!

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    Riya Smith Reply:

    Hey i did checkout the US routes.. it still sucks. Flight attendants think themselves like headmistress of school. they have no courtsey, no manners whatsoever to talk and behave.

    AI has just become one of the ways the govt eats tax payer’s money..

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  • Thunderbird1778

    My Sincere Advice to Mr. Rajesh is if he had taken a oath not to travel by AI again….. Why the hell he opted to Fly AI…. Its as simple as ” No I cant Eat Shit but given nothing is available to eat i will Eat tht too…. irrespective of who’s it is n i will crib later”
    Hmmmm….keep it simple Mr.Rajesh dont crib when the fault is on You….

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  • Thunderbird1778

    Mr.Prasanna Kumar,
    Please Learn first to type numbers on a letter pad when you are typing an article in reply, If u cant even type properly a Number then what right you have to ill comment about an Airline which is as old as a 60 years and which has about 30,000 employees and 10 billion people to serve to…
    Please write something which is apt and with proper statistics and Logic.
    think even you wont have time to read this reply….

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  • Thunderbird1778

    Mr.Khan,
    By the way my friend the so called South Eastern Airlines Doesnt exist any more in USA…..its long since they have shut shop my friend….which world are u in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Thunderbird1778

    Oh….the Sherlock Holmes has arrived atlast…..
    Dear which world are you in the poor staff of AI as reported by all the leading dailies have not got paid for more than 5 to 6 months n you talk about Holiday…
    pathetic dude….u are simply pathetic….
    Whu dont u blame Sonia/Praful/Pawar i would have liked your comment instead….

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  • Thunderbird1778

    Beautiful English Gupta Ji….I love you for your comments made in Very Perfect English…….

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  • Thunderbird1778

    Ohhhh……Now I get my friend….why Mr.Mallaya’s Airline is About to shut shop….
    U ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT…..Mr.RIGHT…

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  • Riya Smith30

    I vowed this last year, when while flying from delhi to chicago . I missed the tea in their first round as i had my son sleeping in my lap. when after 10 mins i asked for it, she said “dekhte hain” .. looks like attendants think the flight is their dad’s plane..they suck air india suck.

    but politicans are too corrupt to let air india go.. they’ll keep eating taxpayer’s money via this ..

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  • Anonymous

    Actually what you are talking about is something that was done long ago and is not done any longer. The sign on the plane may be “Air India” but the aircraft is not staffed by Air India crews or pilots. The aircraft is under the Indian Airforce and the Indian airforce pilots fly the aircraft. These aircraft are part of the Indian Air Force 1st Technical Aviation Squadron (or something like that) stationed in Hindon Air Base. Recently new aircraft were procured for the PM and President from Boeing with self-protection suites and other communications gear ala Air Force One. The Indian PM’s aircraft is known as Air Indian One but it is run by the Indian AirForce. As to Jet, they would be “proud” to fly the Indian PM! Also, do you think Air India gives its aircraft for “free” for VIP use ? The Government pays for it, so why not pay JET or any other airline ??

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  • Anonymous

    All the airlines you’ve mentioned have Indians in their cabin crew, so its nothing to do with Indian cabin crew or Air India. Air India cultivates that atmosphere of “anything goes” and “we are like this only!”. Just take a look at Jet when they fly internationally, their crew is impeccably professional and the passengers are very courteous as well.
    It’s upto the airline to inculcate behavior and set standards for both the cabin crew and the passengers. Back in the 80s, Air India was indeed very good to fly in, with great service and the like but as the seats started becoming cheaper the cabin crew became short staffed and of lower quality.
    The main problem with Air India is that the crews themselves don’t have any respect or confidence in their own company, passengers can see this and the crew’s apathy is reciprocated by the passengers. True that Indian passengers are increasingly boorish as well but even foreign passengers find Air India abrasive and a terrible experience.

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  • Satyamev Jayate

    Dear All,

    Sub: Eligibility for Padma Awards

    1. A public limited company Chairman accused of misappropriation of “borrowed public money” from Public Sector Banks and is facing several criminal cases of cheating, fraud, willful omission and concealment of information with an intent to misappropriate Bank Loans. Accused of misappropriation.
    2. Allegedly accused for the offenses punishable in respect of the offenses under IPC 403, 405, 406, 415, 417, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424 and 34.
    3. CIBIL – suits filed in excess of 100 Crores by Public Sector Banks on the company – of which he was the Chairman.
    4. His appeals in respect of all criminal cases having been rejected at both High Court and Supreme court level.

    During the pendency of such serious criminal cases – is that person worthy of receiving the highest civilian honor of the country – Padma Shri Award.

    If yes – give reasons
    If no – give reasons

    Please reply.

    Thanks

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