Southern Fried Desis



How curious. By the looks of it, Nikki Haley is a shoe-in to win the gubernatorial election in South Carolina.This means that come November, the first two US state governors (akin to chief ministers in India) of Indian origin are going to be elected in the Deep South. The other one, of course, is Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.

It helps to know that even by the standards of the South, these states are especially conservative and their politics strongly charged with race. Yet no Indian-American has been as remotely as successful politically in any other part of the country.

Most of the others are aiming to be, at best, attorney-generals or state legislators.

Here are some of the themes that have revolved around them.

1. There was nothing Indian about Haley and Jindal. In other words, they have embraced Christianity, modified their names to sound more Western and therefore their wasn’t anything Indian about them. Partly true. However, I say most Indian-Americans who are born in the US (as they were) are nothing other than overwhelmingly “American.”

This has been the case with all immigrants born in the US who do not live in ethnic ghettoes. They absorb the values and culture of the population around them. Most Indian-Americans are liberal Democrats because they live in liberal Democratic suburbs near big cities. Anglicizing first names is common among all US immigrants.

Hindu rightists and liberal-leftists, going by the blogs, are particularly shrill about the religion shift. Personally I think conversion is a wholly individual decision.

If Jindal converted to Catholicism for expediency’s sake, he chose the wrong religion: Louisiana is overwhelmingly Baptist. His first governor election run foundered because the Protestant voters in the north were suspicious of his Catholicism – his Indian background was quite secondary.

Admittedly if they were overtly desi, their political success would have been a lot harder. But the truth is that their Indian, non-Christian origins, were raised by their opponents repeatedly so it’s hard to believe that this was not widely known among the electorate. The evidence is that they didn’t care.

2. Republicans are looking for token non-whites. That could be conceivable in posts that are not elected directly by the voters. The Republican national party’s bodies, for example. But to fight your way through grueling primary elections and then put yourself before the voting population of the entire state – that requires genuine mass support.

Much of the racist and ethnic-based attacks against them (sexist in the case of Haley as well) came from Republican opponents. What is striking is that these campaigns failed. Even at the primary level, when the voting is largely by registered Republicans, this stuff didn’t have much impact.

The more economically wealthy and urbanized Southern states have changed politically. North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas (it was part of the Confederacy) have large numbers of minority politicians. And the Republican party has widened its embrace there. George W. Bush won his governorship by winning over blacks and Latinos.

I suspect that something similar is happening in Louisiana and South Carolina. That the Republican party there now has enough members who no longer rally to calls that White Christendom is under threat.

3. Towards a structure of minority politics. I am putting out an educated hypothesis here. The Democratic Party is more structured in its minority politics than the Republicans (who didn’t have any structure to speak of.)

The “space” for a minority politician in the North and West is occupied by the far more numerous black and Latino leadership. And this makes it harder for an Indian-American – or Asians in general – to carve out a political space. This space is also occupied in some regional Republican parties, like Florida with its Cuban-Americans voting bloc.

This is not the case in places like Louisiana or South Carolina where history has so polarized minority voting that the minorities are all in one party and it is defined entirely as black vs non-black.

An Indian-American fund raiser somewhat confirmed this once when he spoke of how he was wooed by the ultraconservative Jesse Helms. The latter basically said Asians were okay because he saw race in US politics as being only about blacks.

So an Indian-American can run in these areas so long as they are a) not in-your-face foreign, b) are conservative/libertarian in believing in small government and oppose abortion, and c) are seen as broadly racially neutral.

If this theory is correct, I would expect Indian-American politicians to pop up in small homogeneous states like Maine and Montana as well.

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  • Singh

    American politics (and culture) is very much based upon religion – so much for the US brand of democracy. Since the year 1600, only one president (JFK) has been a Catholic. Others were/are all Protestant.There has been no president from any other religion. If Jindal and Haley had not converted to christianity, they would never be where they are today, politically. One has to be a christian to get somewhere in US politics. Everyone should have freedom to chose their religion. Haley and Jindal should not be given any credit as being Indian-Americans. They lost that the day they converted to christianity and became part of the US mainstream. I do not have much respect for people who change their religion – this is my opinion. Only Haley and Jindal know the real reason why they converted.I wish the best of luck to these US politicians! There is a difference between Indian-Americans and Americans of Indian origin. Indian Americans are proud of their Indian background and religion (whichever that might be) while American Indians are just that. Haley and Jindal fall into the latter category. Anyone can find out on the internet when Nikki Haley converted to christianity.This is political opportunism – pure and simple. I wish Nikki Haley had been proud of her heritage and not tried to hide it. This is my opinion – a Sikh, non-politician and not an American.

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    Pramit Reply:

    Religious conversion is a difficult issue. I, personally, place no more importance to a specific religion than I do a political ideology. If you can change the latter, you can also change the former. My classical liberal sensibilities see that as being almost solely an individual decision.

    I am less knowledgeable about Haley, though I note that she shies away from a direct Yes/No response when asked about whether she is a Christian. Jindal I believe underwent a genuine conversion to Christianity. If he was doing it for political reasons, he wouldn’t have chosen Catholicism in a Baptist dominated state.

    Insofar as Christianity has an older history in India than it does in the US or even most of Europe, I don’t see it being any less an “Indian” religion than Islam or even contemporary variants of what is dubbed Hinduism.

    Retaining the faith of one’s forefathers, if you wish, is really about maintaining a sense of community. Note that both Jindal and Haley came from Indian-American families who were virtually the only Asian families in the places where they lived so there was no Sikh/Hindu community per se. The tendency to conform would be understandably strong, especially if they come from families without strong religious tendencies.

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    Pramit Reply:

    Religious conversion is a difficult issue. I, personally, place no more importance to a specific religion than I do a political ideology. If you can change the latter, you can also change the former. My classical liberal sensibilities see that as being almost solely an individual decision.

    I am less knowledgeable about Haley, though I note that she shies away from a direct Yes/No response when asked about whether she is a Christian. Jindal I believe underwent a genuine conversion to Christianity. If he was doing it for political reasons, he wouldn’t have chosen Catholicism in a Baptist dominated state.

    Insofar as Christianity has an older history in India than it does in the US or even most of Europe, I don’t see it being any less an “Indian” religion than Islam or even contemporary variants of what is dubbed Hinduism.

    Retaining the faith of one’s forefathers, if you wish, is really about maintaining a sense of community. Note that both Jindal and Haley came from Indian-American families who were virtually the only Asian families in the places where they lived so there was no Sikh/Hindu community per se. The tendency to conform would be understandably strong, especially if they come from families without strong religious tendencies.

    Pramit

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  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Z1 Z1 guy

    When you order frogs legs at a diner what do they do with the rest of the frog ? – Well surely they just throw the rest of the frog away and take it to the tip.

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Britain’s involvement in the “so-called ‘war on terror’” is “genocide” and a cover for military expansionism to take over the resources of Middle Eastern nations, a leading British anti-war campaign group says.

    “The so-called “war on terror” is a cover for our military aggression to gain control of the resources of western Asia,” the Stop the War Coalition said.

    “This is sending the poor of this country to kill the poor of those Muslim countries. This is trading blood for oil. This is genocide, and to most of the world, we are the terrorists,” it added.

    The campaign group, which is credited with organizing the largest ever anti-war demonstration in British history against the invasion of Iraq, said on the occasion of Remembrance Day — observed in Commonwealth countries to remember the members of their armed forces killed on duty — that Britain has been complicit in subjugating of nations “from Palestine to Afghanistan to Iraq to Somalia.”

    It added London has been complicit in “supreme crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan” yet it dares to call locals, terrorists and insurgents, “for resisting rape and pillage.”

    The campaign group also slammed the “bloodthirsty imperial crusade” of Britain alongside the US, saying western soldiers in the occupied nations no more fight to defend “our freedoms” they are rather laying the foundation for a permanent military presence to ensure the “the freedoms of Exxon Mobil and British Petroleum.”

    “They’re not establishing democracy, they’re establishing the basis for an economic occupation to continue after the military occupation has ended,” it added.

    The campaign group then referred to the hypocritical government of the United States, which has been leading Britain in more than a decade of bloody wars in the Middle East, under the guise of fighting terror, saying Washington officials are the real terrorists.

    “We must dare to speak out … against all enemies, foreign and domestic, including those terrorist cells in Washington DC more commonly known as the Legislative, Executive & Judicial branches,” it said.

    ——Agencies

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  • Abu Ahmed

    I think Mirza Ghalib would be more acceptable to all Indians as a national symbol – for his poetry is far more universal and humanitarian than any other poet – and Urdu is understood anywhere in India (though people tend to call it Hindustani for various reasons), which is not the case with Bengali.

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  • shailesh shah

    The politicians in India wear “bangles” when it comes to realistic decisions. Instead of making defence(s) a priority, they talk big and deliver little. The publicly run institutions such as HAL, Mazgaon and other docks, Avadi (tanks) are always BEHIND schedule. Very rarely we hear something positive, and ahead of schedule (Brahmos and other missiles).
    The public secter employees are held unaccountable, and after billions of Rs spent over 60 years, we have very little to show for. The political will to have strict time table, high level of structure, and discipline is not there. One simple reason for this is under educated individuals with no knowledge of technology are running the department. Our much touted engineering institutions have not involved in R and D at all. If we give grants to the bright and young, and encourage military based “academics” within 3 to 5 years a dramatic change can come to gather. In USA MIT, CAL tech, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell and many others are involved in military technology development. Some of the most amazing new technologies comes from these institutions. Recent example of palm sized Quadrocopters by U.Penn professor (Vijay kumar) is a glaring example.
    This change will only come after the very old, all talk, and no action leaders are not reelected. The single most goal that should be in place is what an Israeli soldier or leader has,” when it comes to defence of Israel”. This goal can be summarized in simple terms,” under all circumstances, Israel needs to be protected”. Buy, borrow or steal, supremacy of Israel is always first. The public secter employees remain unaccountable, because they can not be fired! If the CEO’s are fired for noncompetance and fake promises, I am certain others will start shaping up.
    Let us also involve some of the better managed private secter leadership in competition, and let the fun begin!

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_URSXATBEMZ7HUAB3OH36PLYWDM Ashok

    There is no justification for inordinately delayed deliveries and humongous cost escalations. In principle there should be no hesitation in encouraging private shipyards to share the burden ( pie ? ). As far as competing with China is concerned, we should be realistic in dealing with a nation whose economy is three times larger.

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  • http://exponentialage.blogspot.com/ Rajat Gaur

    Should you really study from NCERT Textbooks…..are they really the best ones…..read on to find out…

    http://exponentialage.blogspot.in/2012/05/are-ncert-textbooks-best-textbooks.html

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  • Darshana Thakur

    Sorry, I don’t agree at all. You have missed the point altogether. Try to understand it from the alternative perspective, of a Dalit or a non-upper class urbanite. I read this article and felt it resonates
    http://www.anindianmuslim.com/2012/05/cartoon-controversy-belittling-dr.html

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  • Kris

    Excellent points are made ! Well thoght through.

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  • Anonymous

    I wish this is just someone’s blog instead a reporter’s article, because it doesn’t sound very wise. There are bigger countries who try to contain China, so I guess India does not have to sweat about this idea. Why don’t Indian people focus on their own development instead of focusing on being the big leader, a mentality got them into the 1962 war? I guess that’s the biggest lesson India should learn from the war.

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    anil Reply:

    India cannot even contain its corrupt politicians (rather it is contained by the corrupts) and it now wants to c o n t a i n China! This guy must be drunk when wrote this or watching too much Bollywood movies for inspiration in life!

    I am 1000% sure China would not even bother to respond to this considering children are supposed to behave in childish manner!

    This is more of a story to go into Children book rather than appear as an article in any respectable journal!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And China has no corrupt leaders right ?

    How much does trolling for the Chinese communist party pay ?? It must pay so well if you can orally defecate so frequently without even countering a single argument with logic or facts.

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    dasg Reply:

    Mao’s son, daughter and grandson are not running communist party. Despite one party state, there is more democracy and severe punishment for corruption than India.

    Anonymous Reply:

    LOL nice try but unfortunately for you, we in India operate on facts.

    The difference is NOBODY voted for Mao in the first place, while Nehru was voted in 4 times!! And how can there be “democracy” in a one-party state when the “demo” can’t vote ? Even Hong Kong is a sham of a democracy compared to any city in India.

    Unlike China, Indians don’t need “patriotic education”
    camps to teach us how the “ruling party” is so great. If “severe” punishments for corruption is so effective how come Chinese government officers are hiding in US embassy afraid for their lives ??

    Sorry, but your arguments are nonsense.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason Mao’s son/daughter/grandson are not running the communist party is because Mao spent most of this time with his prostitutes/mistresses than with his MANY wives.
    http://suite101.com/article/the-sex-life-of-chairman-mao-a53842

    Anil Reply:

    Yes, they have corruption problem too but they do address that quickly and swiftly. There is no society or country in the world which does not have corruption but all that matters is how one addresses it. In India’s case corruption controls the leaders where it should have been the case other way around!

    (And yes they have other problems too but being wise and sensible they are slowly moving toward freeworld – just in case you want to ask that questions again).

    Anonymous Reply:

    If “justice” is simply catching one corrupt official and executing him publicly like some dictatorship , then sure they are “dealing” with corruption but it isn’t “justice”.

    But if like a free and civilized society that through the popular will of its people chooses to address corruption like the Anna Hazare movement is something China has “replicated” or implemented then they have been keeping it a very good secret!
    LOL, yes China is so “wise” and “Sensible” that even Chinese government officials are escaping China! How many Indians are hiding in the US embassy escaping India? ZERO!!

    kavi Reply:

    No need to hide for Indians anywhere as there is no one who would question them? India is a banana republic you can get away with just anything! Do not try to be righteous, India is a hell hole, do not live in a denial, nothing can be done about it, no matter how the Indian literate dummies think.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes for the mentally challenged Communist fruitcake – India is the banana republic while the worlds largest open air prison where people are burning themselves alive because they can’t live in that hell hole is “paradise”. Tell me, do you get paid to knuckle pound such rubbish or are you just so far removed from reality that you would do this for free ?
    The only denial here is by trolls like you who are trying desperately to prove that China is “democratic” and “free” ! IF it wasn’t so ridiculous I would pity you!

    anil Reply:

    In a ideal world what you say is right, provided, yes provided there is a link between what is written in the book or even in constitution and what is followed. But given the status India is in where aspirations and legitimate rights of people are thwarted (not much better than in communists countries) by the mafia disguising as upholders of democracy, anything must be better than this and people deserve some change. Imagine a burden one is creating on humanity with 1 billion people who are automatically going to be a drag unless the course of direction is changed and they start breathing fresh air letting others do the same. I mean if it continues like this no one but anti-socials and terrorists will reap the most of the benefits of chaos simply because terrorists will be more determined then those who are opposing them and they will bought out in the race (it is probably already happening in India directly or indirectly).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Clearly, your knowledge of China is severely limited if you are going to make such ignorant statements.

    India may not be perfect but compared to a nation like China, even an Indian Dalit beggar enjoys 1000 times more rights and dignity in the eyes of the Indian government than even the richest Chinese businessman does in the eyes of China’s government.

    Not even the poorest Indian would ever agree to live in a repressive society like China no matter how much money you pay them – this is why even today Tibetans are escaping to India. And not just Tibetans, followers of Falun Dafa, artists like Ai Weiwei, even a blind man like Chen Guangcheng have tried to escape China and openly criticize their government’s repressive polices that see their people as slaves to exploit for the pride of the Communist party. At least in India, people have legitimate rights that are guaranteed by the constitution, upheld by the courts and bound to the government – in china no such things exist. The government in China can pass any law, seize anybody’s home, force people to live anywhere it wishes and arrest/detain anybody for any length of time without charge!

    To compare the two systems is simply ignorant of all the facts. India may not be perfect and may not be orderly but it is free and it is far more respectful of its citizens than the PRC ever has been!

    The best thing about India is that if you feel that something is wrong, you have the power to change it instead of simply complaining on a forum. You can campaign for change, you can stand for elections and you can enact policies that you believe are right within the bounds of the law. In China, anybody who questions the legitimacy of the Communist party is thrown in jail never to be heard from again.

    serenity Reply:

    omg..dont compare india to china at least…i cant believe it india being a democratic have left with nothing like democracy..n bro if u believe in facts and figures u can check it out the dam-breaking figures of molestation, rapes,abductions,riots n CORRUPTION…our country is on the peak of declining…china is one of the advanced n developed nations full of justice,law n strength..they dont decieve their citizens by doing scams,disorder in law,,,n a long list….how many scams u heard of them…they dot afraid of the corrupt arsed nations like india…globally indians are disliked nowadays just cus of the illiterates,greedy n brainless politicians mass…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Have you checked out the figures for crimes in China bro?? Just because you see big buildings and highways doesn’t make a nation a “developed” nation when people still can’t own land or move freely insider their own country!
    LoL full of justice and law ? You mean like how Bo Xilai was so “law abiding” ? Or how Ai Weiwei is treated so “justly” ??
    Just because you are ignorant of the “scams” of China doesn’t mean everybody else is – please do some research on Chine before blindly accepting Chinese communist propaganda.

    First make Facebook and Twitter available legally in China, then tell me how “developed”, “just” and “law abiding” China is!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Save the wisdom from China is for the Chinese!

    Dealing with China is an important part of development in India because Chinese are part of the problem as far as Indians are concerned. China’s aid and meddling in Pakistan and Kashmir, its loitering in the Indian ocean and its attempts to set up ports around India are antagonistic. For India to progress, it needs to deal effectively with China’s antagonism. And this reporter correctly states how the Indian government is being meek to China’s tantrums instead of forging ahead irrespective of China’s concerns and building alliances with SE Asian nations, missile technology or indeed dealing with Pakistan, separatists in the North Eastern hill tribes, the Tibetan issue, etc.

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  • anil

    [It’s time India took steps to contain China]

    Isn’t this toooooooo big a talk to fit into a toooooooooooooo small mouth?

    Try to be realistic just f a r t i n g will not give one enough power to rise into the air, man! Sorry I could not find anything else to compare with.

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    sanjeeb Reply:

    what do u mean….ur comment is vague ……pl be clear to start a discussion……

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  • H.Mani

    India is ditering soft power.It is waiting in the hope nothing bad is going to happen soon,so there is no urgency.It also does not want to provoke China by overt way of kozing upto USA,& thinks if China attacks,USA in its own interest will come to India’s rescue,there is validity to that thinking,but that is not policy,it is hope,& country should not base their national security in wishful hope.There is another factor,India’s internal problems are becoming more & more accute,like population,decaying infra-structure,detoriation in law& order,instability of center,Congress has lost the its hold in up,bihar,mp,and now in Andhra.Corruption,power shortage,water scarcity,& now economy.All in all,pretty dark scenario of bad option.Inflation,poverty,crumbling state of affairs in north,Delhi area law & order is alarming,in fact it is unsafe for females after 8pm.It is scary.The leadership vacuum is frightening.The opposition is still worse,so the the cynical politicians are no hope for a respite. ,India’s cup of misery now over flowing.

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  • Krishna

    This writer is correct. One fine morning, we will end up having chunks of Arunachal under chinese. The present govt is stupid and is simply not up to the task. Indian should make a strong link with the US, in the similar fashion as UK. There is real appreciation for India in the US, both the political class and the people. India has been squandering this intent and goodwill.

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  • sanjeeb

    It is only my view….one day we will be over run be china…..our leaders will flee and poor country men/women will be left….may sound ridiculous but it is true….we are surrounded by pakis and Chinese…..our strategists r not up to the mark thinker and our ladders are busy making money…..GOD SAVE US….

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  • PatriotIndian

    The only solution in India is education. If everyone is educated properly and armed with technical usable skills that would solve half the misery in the globe.

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  • junior consultant Daxue

    Thanks for this both informative and insightful article. This is a report I posted recently about the influences, characteristics, and negative effects of FDI in China from foreign countries. you can find it http://daxueconsulting.com/fdi-in-china/, Hope to exchange ideas.

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  • ved

    It was Nehru’s timidity and stupidity that we lost 1962 border skirmish.China was allowed to dictate the battle as well as the ceasefire. It was allowed to withdraw with a medal just as indian army was preparing to meet and challenge the invader.Why did we accept the ceasefire.? We should have continued the conflict. China had no stomach to continue for long. Nehru also had another hunchback-Krishna Menon who coild not distinguish between a revolver and a pistol. With these two jokers at the helm great Indian army had to bite dust. Shame.

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  • AjaySingh

    India need to show the world, how to become part of the emerging world. China is not a treat that we need to contain. China is fighting for her own survival. With every day passing by, China feels trapped and isolated. There is no need to isolate any nation. Competition is always good. Sit like civilized people and divide what products they can have the market for. And what they can provide market as far as Indian products are concerned. In the end, if the business relations are strong enough, there will be no need for containment policy.
    India can never contain any nation other than Andaman Nicobar !
    Don’t even try to think you are pleasing any other nation by writing such articles. No body is stupid these days. Spread fragrance by rich Indian values, that will work in the end as containment.

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    serenity Reply:

    u r right bro!!! ol nations r familiar to the internal structure of india…weak structure of india n i dont know about the containment by china but our nation is definitely going to collapse due to the internal demonic faces of politicians…i hate this phase that indiia is going thru…none is loyal,joblessness,extreme loads of rapes, abducions,extortions n dumb dead eyed police with having control of their balls to their ministers…really F*** them off……

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  • Col. P.S. Sandhu

    All experts who are credible are of the opinion that 2012 is not 1962. India clearly has an edge over China militarily.

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  • Anonymous

    Superb and
    timely article.
    China’s support
    to Pakistan and Sri Lanka does not serve any of China’s interests — except that of encircling India and ‘putting India in her place’. It is reported that the ‘Maoists’ of Nepal are ’surprised’ at China’s cynical ‘power play’ in their country’s internal affairs! China’s chauvinism has brought together Japan,
    Vietnam, Philippines and South Korea. An alarmed Australia has strengthened her military ties with the US — publicly, to warn China. Even Vietnam is warming up to the United States. It is time India
    joins the Asian neighbors and the US in a ‘formal’ alliance. It is
    better to be proactive than regret after the event.

    China’s Indian lobbyists of today do not even have the ‘cover’ of ‘ideology’, their compatriots had in 1962! It is business now!

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  • Anonymous

    It is always fashionable to blame Nehru for the defeat in 1962.Our Army was not well trained at all and even today it is becoming something like the US army who inspite of complete air superiority cannot tame Taliabn in Afghanistan. The Chinese soldiers do not use Bhukharies like us in cold regions.They donot expect air support because they plan for war in peace time and build continuously and train continuously .Their communication trenches can accomodate a jeep and their OPs can take a direct hit of a maortar shell while ours is built on sand bags.Our NAVY’S MARCOS COMMANDOES COULD NOT SUBDUE just 4 terrorists in 60 hours at Taj and have to call in NSG commandoes. Today what we should we discuss is how to improve the stamina and training of our troops so that they feel self confident about themselves.There were nearly 70 constables with 303 rifles in CST but could not fire single bullet at Kasab and his buddy. Why? We must think.

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    Adrian Wainer Reply:

    ” It is always fashionable to blame Nehru for the defeat in 1962.Our Army was not well trained at all and even today it is becoming something like the US army who inspite of complete air superiority cannot tame Taliabn in Afghanistan. The Chinese soldiers do not use Bhukharies like us in cold regions.They donot expect air support because they plan for war in peace time and build continuously and train continuously .Their communication trenches can accomodate a jeep and their OPs can take a direct hit of a maortar shell while ours is built on sand bags.Our NAVY’S MARCOS COMMANDOES COULD NOT SUBDUE just 4 terrorists in 60 hours at Taj and have to call in NSG commandoes. Today what we should we discuss is how to improve the stamina and training of our troops so that they feel self confident about themselves.There were nearly 70 constables with 303 rifles in CST but could not fire single bullet at Kasab and his buddy. Why? We must think. “,.
    captainjohann samuhanand

    The US Government allowed the Taliban to escape to the care and protection of the Taliban’s mentors Pakistani’s ISI. That is a basic failure of military strategy at the political decision making level. The US military has air supremacy over Pakistan but their ability to use air-power is limited as the US Air Force is simply not interested in counter insurgency warfare and the Army is restricted to rotary aviation.

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  • http://twitter.com/Adrian_Wainer Adrian Wainer

    The PRC regime has been responsible for horrific crimes in the past and there are aspects of the PRC today which are deeply unpleasant. That said whilst the PRC does need to be carefully watched for signs of hostile intent, I feel that the greatest danger to countries like India, the USA and Australia comes from Islamic extremism.

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