What Greece Has Reminded Us About Europe



I am one who believes that we are entering the last few chapters of the present Greek economic drama. But the larger issue of the eurozone’s prospects, forget about Greece’s, is another thing altogether. That could take several years to sort out.

I’ve always been persuaded by the argument that the creation of the euro was always half-baked. And this would be revealed most strikingly during a recessionary period. Consider the United States. It is a continental economy and at any given time geographical parts of its economy will be doing well while other parts are doing badly. Thus even during the Carter recession, the West Coast and the South were still growing even as the Midwest and the Northeast were in deep dudgeon. But a single economy like the US balances this out. Workers from the negative growth areas move to the postive growth areas. Richer parts of the country pay more taxes which are used to pay for the dole being handed out to the poorer parts. The system eases the pain, lays the basis for future growth.

The eurozone doesn’t have this compensatory mechanism. There are internal transfers within the European Union but they are small in size and government-to-government so it is not clear the right individuals get the money. Labour markets remain riddled with barriers in Europe. They exist between countries. They exist within countries. It is just difficult for an unemployed person to move from, say, Spain and go job-seeking in Estonia. So if I’m a eurozone country getting hammered in a downturn, I don’t have too many ways to start climbing back upto prosperity. Among other things, I’ve even surrendered the ability to devalue my currency and give myself a fillip to exports or tourism.

But the euro had another problem. Because it was a global reserve currency, backed by biggie economies like Germany and France, it meant that inefficient euro-using countries could borrow with consummate ease. It may have been a Greek government bond but it was a eurozone product and had the European Central Bank somewhere in its background. So Europe’s southern tier – the countries running from Portugal to Greece – borrowed heavily, lived well off the debt but did nothing to make themselves more competitive. To use a human analogy, they lived off their credit cards rather than getting higher-paying jobs. They saw wages, for example, rise by 20 to 30 % over the past decade in these countries even as productivity was stagnant.

But countries like Germany don’t get away scot-free. They developed their own G-2 sort of relationship within the eurozone. In other words, in just the same way that China would finance US government debt to ensure that Americans kept importing its products, Germany and France bought huge mountains of Greek and other PIIG debt to keep them buying their exports. Well, it’s all begun to unravel.

Greece’s fraudulent accounting, combined with the present global slowdown, means it is getting squeezed badly. But its government can do very little to help itself. It can’t devalue its currency. Its people will have difficulties moving to other parts of Europe, Union or no Union. So it needs a big transfer of money. That means bailout – and Germany is baulking at the idea. As eurozone skeptics had warned: when the going gets tough, things will be really tough for poorer Europeans. Greece will continue to bob up and down for a while. Get this: this is actually a mild year when it comes to debt repayment for Greece. It gets worse in the years to come. And then throw in its budget deficits. The present 45 billion euro bailout is just a down payment. It will only cover Greece’s red ink until December.

But the real issue is that even if Greece, Portugal and their ilk survive the present crisis, they will be back in the financial doghouse if they do not become competitive economies. I suspect that one will find that after they joined the eurozone their interest in carrying out painful but necessary domestic economic reforms simply disappeared.

So to stop all this from happening all over again and to ensure Europe will face future recessions without leaving bits and pieces of itself mired in recession, the game will be to make the PIIGs fly in terms of competitiveness. Don’t hold your breath. Things will have to get a lot worse before these countries restructure themselves to that extent. As one African diplomat in Paris told me years ago, “Africa begins south of Geneva. The southern Europeans are just like us.”

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  • Carl Fayard

    I fully agree. One of the questions is how will the European Union change over the next 10 years? Can anything be done to salvage the idea of a united Europe

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  • Siddhartha Banerjee

    Incisive. Sorry for this late post, but I have no doubt that the cultural idea of a united Europe will survive because the concept has now acquired legitimacy, especially among the young and because, above all, it does not negate Europe’s many national identities. If the EC were to built upon the dissolution of, say, French, Italian, Spanish, or German identities, in favor of say a Swiss-style federation with three languages only, the EC would be dead in the water.

    The EC is one of the best stories of our era. We may well be seeing the birth pangs of a new superstate.

    Siddhartha Banerjee
    Oxford, Pennsylvania

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  • vishal potdar

    sujata pls cool down! pls dont get fustrated by thakrays! pls try to learn from your fellow tamilians! yes mumbai tamils are also laught at you! they proudly follow marathi culture and they love “amachi mumbai”!& pls pls dont get pissed of by thakreys!

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  • abhi

    Yes congress will be succesful in Manipur and Goa and that will be the glory.
    Congress supporters have already started putting excuses for loss in UP. The fact is that UP is make or break for UPA. if in UP congress doesn’t come at even second position, Rahul’s image will be dented beyong repair. This poll is semifinal for loksabha poll in 2014 and not winning in any major state (UK, Punjab and UP) should make UPA realise that their days are over.

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  • http://thepoliticalopportunist.blogspot.in/ abhishek sharma

    Chappell has already been vindicated when he boasted before the Indian tour of Australia that he can demystify the great Indian batting.

    If we look at ourselves, we can call Indian as a sub human civilization at best.
    Compare Indian population and the Nobel prize winner.
    Compare Indian population and Olympics gold medals.
    Indian yearly population growth is equal the total population of Australia.

    There are so many facts to prove that Chappell is absolutely right.
    The problem is not only with what we are taught by parents but it is one aspect of problem. Indian enlightenment never happened and all we gained was due to Western rule. Hindu revivalism also happened due to British rule otherwise Indians would have continued with Sati and child sacrifice.

    It is time for Indians to change their mentality if they want to be the actual super power that they dream about.

    http://thepoliticalopportunist.blogspot.in/2012/03/religiousterrorism-drugs-without.html

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  • Abu Ahmed

    Make the children sleep in a separate room since very early years – that will inculcate in them the confidence to handle situations on their own.

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  • Establisher

    Na, Indians dont treat white people as anything, you are not a bone of contention at all.Average Indian family in the US – 88,000 Dollars.Average neaderthal family – 35,000/year.To date a white man is like cultural suicide for an Indian, to marry a White girl !!!.Wow, Moms gonna commit suicide.Aryans dont worship anyone but themselves and we dont let whites or blacks into our circle.Nice try though.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    Indians in the US have high incomes because they took over all the high-paying IT jobs that whites created, not because you are smart. Whites created IT long before Indians ever set foot in USA. We created it, you took it over. That is how Indians operate – unable to invent or create anything for yourselves you wait and take over what others have created. Indians are parasitic locusts who consume and destroy everything they touch.

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  • ABCI

    I am a proud ABCI/coconut who is ashamed of my Indian roots because PIO’s especially those of NI origin are the most racist people on the planet. Go to any country with an PIO population and you will be shocked at the way they talk about people of SI or African origin – just check out the comments by Sameer for example. Also in Fiji and African countries the PIO’s segregate themselves from the locals and are hated. In western countries thy lick the asses of white people but treat blacks and other dark skinned asians/PIO’s like ****.
    Oh and to the commenter Sameer, I live in Sydney and can tell you that most Indian students are racist Punjabi’s including those that ran back home to their mummies.

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    Wakjob Reply:

    Indians are “a slippery, treacherous people”, said the late US president Richard Nixon.

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  • ABCI

    I live in Sydney and can tell you that most Indian students are racist Punjabi’s including those that ran back home to their mummies.

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  • Wakjob

    “there is a belief that white people get advantages”. Are you kidding? Indians have been given millions of the best IT jobs in USA FOR FREE which whites created. Indians have virtually taken over Silicon Valley which was created by white Americans. Indians are the most privileged group in all of America. No other race has had an entire industry pre-made by whites HANDED to them for free. Stop the racism and cribbing. Indians are so advantaged everywhere they go it’s not even funny. Yet you people still want more.

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  • Wakjob

    Millions of Indians are deliberately keeping white Americans out of jobs in the USA. Racist? That would be Indians, not whites.

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  • Wakjob

    Whites aren’t fond of Indians because you take over all the IT jobs we created and keep us out of jobs IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. It has nothing to do with your skin color you fool.

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  • Wakjob

    But you love stealing millions of jobs in the west because you are unemployed at home. Never hurt anyone? You’d better think again.

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  • Wakjob

    Companies ruined or almost ruined by imported Indian labor

    Adaptec – Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
    AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
    AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
    Apple – R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
    Apple – Indian national and former Goldman Sachs board member Rajat Gupta charged with leaking Intel and Apple secrets over the phone.
    Australia’s National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
    Barclays Bank – UK executive management was corrupted by Shriti Vadera, the Indian-origin economist. His advice led Barclay’s CEO and other execs to rig Libor interest rates.
    Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
    Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
    Caymas – Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
    Caterpillar misses earnings a mere 4 months after outsourcing to India, Inc.
    Circuit City – Outsourced all IT to Indian-run IBM and went bankrupt shortly thereafter.
    Cisco – destroyed by Indian labor, laid off 55,000 in 2012, going down the drain.
    ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
    Computer Associates – Former CEO Sanjay Kumar, an Indian national, sentenced to 12 years in federal prison for accounting fraud.
    Deloitte – 2010 – this Indian-packed consulting company is being sued under RICO fraud charges by Marin Country, California for a failed solution.
    Dell – call center (closed in India)
    Delta call centers (closed in India)
    Duke University – Massive scientific fraud by Indian national Dr. Anil Potti discovered in 2012.
    Enron, WorldCom, Qwest, and Tyco all hired large numbers of foreign workers from India before their scandals.
    Fannie Mae – Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty and sent to prison.
    Goldman Sachs – Kunil Shah, VP & Managing Director – GS had to be bailed out by US taxpayers for $550 BILLION.
    GM – Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
    HP – Got out of the PC hardware business in 2011 and can’t compete with Apple’s tablets. HP was taken over by Indians and Chinese in 2001. So much for ‘Asian’ talent!
    HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
    IBM bill collecting system for Austin, TX failed in 2012 written by Indians at IBM
    Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
    Intel – Trade secret stolen by Indian national Biswamohan Pani in 2012.
    JetStar Airways computer failure brings down Christchurch airport on 9/17/11. JetStar is owned by Quantas – which is know to have outsourced to India, Inc.
    JP Morgan – Outsourced subsidiary & IT integration to India in 2009 for $400 million, lost $2 billion in 2012.
    Kodak: Outsourced to India in 2006, filed for bankruptcy in Jan, 2012.
    Lehman (Jasjit Bhattal ruined the company. Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
    London Olympics 2012 Security – Botched by India’s G4S
    Medicare – Defrauded by Indian national doctor Arun Sharma & wife in the U.S.
    Microsoft – Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it’s lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
    MIPS – Taken over by Indian national Sandeep Vij in 2010, being sold off in 2012.
    MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
    MyNines – A startup founded and run by Indian national Apar Kothari went belly up after throwing millions of America’s VC $ down the drain.
    Nomura Securities – (In 2011 “struggling to compete on the world stage”). No wonder because Jasjit Bhattal formerly of failed Lehman ran it. See Lehman above.
    PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
    PepsiCo – Slides from #1 to #3 during Indian CEO Indra Nooyi’ watch.
    Polycom – Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
    Qantas – See AirBus above
    Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
    Reebok – Massive fraud and theft in India second in size only to Satyam fraud
    Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
    SAP – Same as Deloitte above in 2010.
    Singapore airlines (IT functions taken over in 2009 by TCS, website trashed in August, 2011)
    Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
    State of Indiana $867 million FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
    State of New York – Hired Indian-infested CSC in 1998 to build a new system, was 33 months late and $166 million over budget, a cost overrun of 47 percent. And then the system failed. So much for “they can do it better, cheaper, faster”. CSC also holds the sole contract for NC’s Medicaid system redesign. That project is hundreds of millions over budget and years late. India, Inc. is taking its time to maximize the amount it can grift out of America.
    State of Texas failed IBM project.
    Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, had to be sold off to Oracle).
    UK’s NHS outsourced numerous jobs including health records to India in mid-2000 resulting in $26 billion over budget.
    Union Bank of California – Cancelled Finacle project run by India’s InfoSys in 2011.
    United – call center (closed in India)
    US Navy F-18 jet crashes into Virginia apartment building on 4/6/12 after outsourcing F-18 work to India’s Tata.
    Victorian Order of Nurses, Canada (Payroll system screwed up by SAP/IBM in mid-2011)
    Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
    World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).

    I could post the whole list here but I don’t want to crash any servers.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Babu-Rudeboy/100000323244832 Babu Rudeboy

    Yes Indians are most certainly racist. Gora and habshee and mooslims oh my! Most likely rooted in the self loathing stemming from the Raj as well as the EVIL varna (caste system).

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  • newsx

    Indians racist? What about Europeans who stole Indians’ money? What about turning India from the “Golden Bird” to developing country? What about European Imperialism that whites were superior? What about the sign “No Indians or dogs allowed” in public places in India? What about westerners who placed corrupt government in place while Europeans were leaving India? Racism? From more than 200 years India is poor because of your ancestors.

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  • newsx

    Indians racist? What about Europeans who stole Indians’ money? What about turning India from the “Golden Bird” to developing country? What about European Imperialism that whites were superior? What about the sign “No Indians or dogs allowed” in public places in India? What about westerners who placed corrupt government in place while Europeans were leaving India? Racism? From more than 200 years India is poor because of your ancestors.

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  • newsx

    Dude, there was no racism until India was invaded by Europeans. Due to them, we lost self respect for ourselves and our culture. We are racist now unfortunately, but it is because of Europeans.

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  • Guest

    don’t speak anything until you about it.

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  • George Walton

    I’m English and I’ve lived here for 11 years and you have no idea what’s its like to go to school here. I have never hit anyone, never abused anyone and have never said any arrogant comments to a teacher but still for some reason I visit the headmasters office about three every month and either get beaten with a stick or sent home. More than half of the time I don’t even know what it’s for. Mainly for small things like not bringing a pen etc. The stundents are even worse. I often get beaten up or being called “firangi” which is means white person, it’s just as bad as the “N” word in English it’s not a respectful word. If I try and talk to any Indian girls then they get harassed by everyone. I have made a few friends and big gangs have threatened to beat them up if they keep hanging out with me. i often get beaten after history classes about the British raj. Foreigner who come here haven’t got a clue about the fact they being abused in public as non of them can speak Hindi. Rickshaw drivers charge foreigners up to Rs200 for only 5 kilometres whereas the normal price is Rs5. You are right about the fact that beggars pick on foreigners more. What pisses me off the most is that these beggars respect rich Indians so much and they treat us like shite. I agree that some of the Bollywood movies are also towards westerners . They think that all westerners sex addicts especially because of these movies. No matter what people say about racism in the west it’s just as bad here and there’s nothing we can do about it.

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  • lenin

    i totally accept most of your points ..bollywood is a curse.. – from an well-educated indian..

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  • hell

    Periyar Maniammai University in Thanjavur-Tamil Nadu where they discriminate students from Kerala and other states.The staff treat students as slave because they are from other state and want to study.They don’t teach in this university and students just sit free.No proper examination system at all.University is just minting money don’t even care about the students. Many students have left Periyar Maniammai university when it was dilisted becauz of the torture they faced for being an other state student in everything.Periyar Maniammai University is worst university.Never should a student from Kerala dare to enter this palce.they don’t speak english but tamil and if some speaks engl tey laugh.Total a village where only students from village come and study, never join PERIYAR MANIAMMAI UNIVERSITY and spoil your life as we did in two years MBA department from kerala

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