New rules for Indo-Chinese checkers



There are plenty of theories as to what is going wrong, or at least why so little seems to be going right, with relations between India and China:  It has to do with the Dalai Lama, the legacy of 1962, Beijing’s fears of a US-India alliance, general bloody-mindedness on both sides. Deciding which is wrong and right is a mug’s game – the Chinese decision-making process is pretty opaque and the Indian one regarding China is almost as much an enigma.

Based on a decade or two of watching the two countries, reading a small mountain of material, and talking with the mandarinate of both governments I have come to some broad conclusions.

One, the two countries are never going to be friends. It is not merely cultural and political differences. The two ruling elites have aspirations that ultimately are not really compatible. Crudely, two countries can’t both be top dog in Asia.

Two, the two countries need not be enemies. They may share a huge border but it is also the highest and most impassable in the world. China looks to the Pacific: its people are clustered along its shore and their trade ships set sail from there. India looks at its own ocean for the same reason. One looks west, the other south and the Himalayas lie between. They notice each other, but only occasionally and from the corner of their eye.

Three, the two would prefer not to get into each other’s hair. Both countries are overwhelmingly concerned with their economic development. They both have mind-boggling numbers of very poor people – yes, even China. Even their rich are aspirational. As the World Bank pointed out, the richest one-fifth of India is as wealthy as the poorest one-fifth of Denmark. Conflict is immiserating and particularly silly when one’s economy is growing between eight and eleven per cent a year.

Yet, Beijing and New Delhi have been squabbling through much of this year. Why? I actually don’t think anything has fundamentally changed. The shift is that civil society has intruded in an otherwise hermetically sealed relationship. I remember receiving a lengthy briefing from a then Indian foreign secretary on Pakistan and the US. What about China? He said, “We don’t discuss that part of our foreign policy with the media.”

But now television and newspapers have turned a spotlight on the relationship and have become excited. A poorly demarcated border means both sides “intrude” regularly. Sometimes it’s deliberate. Sometimes it’s accidental. They also shoot their mouths off at each other because, in the past, it didn’t really matter. It was only for official ears only. Finally, the two held interminable closed door sessions where high-level officials, feeling they were speaking off the record, experimented with the diplomatic line and left a legacy of misinterpretation. Now this is all under a very public microscope and looking like a hairy paramecium.

So the game is to do what India does with other major countries. Start composing mutually acceptable rules of behaviour. Each country lays down red lines regarding what they will countenance in the relationship – and do so publicly so the other side knows there can be no future fudging. It then becomes possible to start doing something constructive with what lies between those lines.

I think we’re starting to see this happening. The new Indian ambassador to China has clearly come with a brief. His first flurry of speeches have been far more than the normal PR pap.

The speech at the Sichuan Institute for South Asian Studies deserves special note. The Indian envoy made a case for the two countries to recognize it can no longer be “business as usual” – in other words, the mix of doing nothing and doing it under wraps that has been the hallmark of relations so far.

First, he said, the media has arrived. “The lesson for those of us charged with building this relationship, therefore, is to pay greater attention to public perceptions of its state.” Sino-Indian relations is going to be thrashed about the way the Indo-US and Indo-Pakistan relationships are. So get ready.

Second, both sides need to accept that the game is different today. We are two rising powers. We are changing the global system. And we are being changed in ways that will make the two countries unrecognizable from what they were in, say, 1962. All this “is fundamentally altering our economic, political and cultural thinking.” He added, “The past, therefore, cannot serve as guidance for the future.”

Third, China may be well ahead of India in the economic race but it cannot deny India is doing pretty well. Even if India fails to overtake, it will still emerge big enough to make China’s life difficult if relations become hostile. So invest some time in bilateral ties, don’t leave them “suboptimal.” “A wise approach to international relations requires coming out on the rights side of history.”

Circumstances are different because of the economic and attendant social transformations taking place in both countries. But the Sino-Indian relationship has been ossified, assuming the thinness of the past. The two countries, the Indian ambassador argued, “should be shaping our ties; at the least, we should be managing them: clearly we do not have the option of neglecting them.”

These are broad principles, not specifics. But my guess is that filling in the details is what the Sino-Indian relationship is going to be about the next few years.

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  • http://www.investingworldtoday.com Allen Taylor

    Nice writing. You are on my RSS reader now so I can read more from you down the road.

    Allen Taylor

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  • http://www.dynamic22.org Amol Naik

    Thank you for sharing your views with us. I think there are also couple of recent facts regarding growing convern over Indo -China relationship. They basically reveal that India has left the dipliomatic approach.

    First, after China discarded tradtion and started providing “paper” visa to those hailing from Arunachal and Kashmir, India strongly resented and prohibited Chinese embassy to do so. I am yet to hear the proceeding.

    Second, Indian invited infuriated Dalai Lama and took him tothe controversial region of Arunachal, which it knew will embarass China.

    China has often taken indirect ways to put strain on bilateral ties, so I guess, either India says, its enough, or China genuinely offfers friendship.

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  • http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/expletive-deleted Kushal

    I keep hearing much the same arguments about Pakistan. What do you think?

    Bunny

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  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SRMTZBUDVDA2V6E24BGOHNWL7I Global

    This article is not really representative of life ALL across India. It seems the Author is only seeing one side of the coin and sticking her views based on what she saw in middle / upper middle class Urban Indian society. She obviously never visited Indian villages and rural parts of India to see what’s happening there. I am an Indian and I like many aspects on life in India – I have lived however in Europe most of my life and am quite sick of the sadness in Europe as well as lack of any value system now….which still does exist in India. Anyway – coming back to the topic – life in Rural uneducated India is still quite like life in rural uneducated Britain. There are plenty of teenage pregnancies in rural India as well – and even worse there is a lot of female infanticide… if a female child is born they throw it in a well or bury it alive – this has led to a huge imbalance between male / female ratio in rural India – and believe it or not but in certain places there are 5 men who end up marrying 1 woman because of a lack of more women in the community. Fact is – uneducated people whether they are in India or in Britain – are going to behave the same way, there are lots of crimes and murders in rural India too – most of those go unreported due to a lack of proper system…. in Britain everything is reported……but one thing I really hate about the UK now is that it has become a total police state, there is no freedom left in UK now and crime levels are seriously the highest in EU. But British kids from good families are just as good as Indian kids from good families – it all depends on the upbringing, education and parents….you notice more well behaved kids in India because there are simply MORE people and more kids in India….there are good and bad things about sexual freedom too… in UK sex is no big deal.. in India it is still a huge deal… its not like Indians dont have sex… they have plenty of it… even extra marital and pre-marital sex… they just never talk about it. Indian colleges are full of drugs too – it’s all very discreet and hidden – in UK its a lot more open… and lastly I think the family system in India is quite sad and frustrating… parents control their children’s lives even after the kids are married…an Indian father is a very dominating person who rules and ruins his kids life…in most cases Indian parents never let their child “choose” a life partner, career, or any other path in Life…which I think is really sad because I know so many people in India who wasted their lives pursuing their Parents’ dream just because of the way Indian society is shaped up. Indians marry before 30 also because of societal pressure nothing else – again all this works in favour of the country and culture but being an individualist I am happier living life the way I want to rather than someone telling me what to do and how to live.

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  • R.V.S.Sharma

    Rahmath saheb ! Lot of it is contemporary politics than history. Islam lost good part of its fanatism in subcontinent. No muslim need offer explanations for the actions of those who were alien invaders. No settled Nawab ever practised such cruelties on his subjects. Poor of all the religions suffered in feudal times. British rule totally changed the country.
    Bringing down an archealogical structure is vandalism and is punishable.
    You can build a museum depicting acts of intolerance each religion is guilty of with emphasis on partition of British India.
    This is not Pakistan. Abhi hum me dam hai ! We will keep this country secular for ages to come.We agree with Sahir saheb- Chodo kalki bathein !

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  • Ali Hyder Tabatabai

    I have combined the two write ups. This is a story that must be probed. DAN BROWN is writing a book on the BLUFF OF KARBALA. A war that never took place between 72 versus 26 lakhs or 72 v/s. 30,000-. Hz. Husain Ibn Ali, Governor of Kufa, was killed by a Zoroastrian (who had converted to Islam after the conquest of Iran), and a Shia-t-e-Ali in the Governor’s Palace. TABARI wrote the fictional novel “Qatl-e-Husayn” in 300 AD (240 yrs after Hz. Husayn’s murder). Tabari based his fictional work on quotes from Al Mikhnaf, a confirmed liar and a vaudeville artiste., a daastangohe., who expired 60 years before Tabari’s birth. Let us presume Tabari wrote the fictional work “Qatl-e-Husain” at age 30., it means that Abu Mikhnaf had died 90 years back.

    Muslims were united as a rock 200 years after the passing away of Prophet Muhammad.

    It is after 3 centuries – that Mazen Del Velmi – the Jew – started Maatam.

    It is from Tabari’s commentary that Salman Rushdie got his idea to write the “Satanic Verses”., because Tabari says., that while the Surah-e-Najam was being conveyed to the Prophet by Angel Gabriel., he felt some interference from Shaitaan !

    Please note what Ibn Khaldoun had said about the murder of Hz. Husain @ the Governor House in Kufah ! “Husayn ibn Ali was murdered by his grandfather’s [Prophet's] sword”. Was he murdered by some of his own groups ? was he murdered by some staff member of the Governor house ? Who was JOSHAN ?

    Selling Vinegar bottled as “Honey”.
    - Ali Haider Nazm Tabatabai, Hyderabad Deccan.

    Shia-ism is a revenge of the Iranians against Muslims for conquering Iran. Period.
    “Truth has arrived and falsehood vanished” – (Holy Quran)
    Fiction sold as truth or in other words Lies concocted :
    1. Hz. Omar taking fire to the home of Hz. Fatima, leading to her assault and abortion. It is a lie. Hz. Ali lived for 24 yrs under the caliphate of Hz. Abubakr, Omar and Othman and he did NOT take the revenge ? He tolerated his wife’s insult and assault ? Amazing from the Lion of God !
    2. Bagh-e-Fidak : Another lie. Hz. Fatima was not cheap enough to fight for a piece of land.
    3. Karbala : Fictional Novel written 3 centuries after the murder of Hz. Husain Ibn Ali. Novelist : Tabari Ibn Hormuz (Zoroastrian).
    4. Hz. Omar murdered by Abu Lulu, a Zoroastrian posing as Muslim (murder mastermind : Abdullah Ibn Saba, the Jew; with support of Iranian/Jew sleeper cells in Madina).
    4. Hz. Othman murdered by Abdullah ibn Saba and his son (they subsequently fled to Yemen).
    5. Hz. Ali served as Governor of Kufah, happily. After the murder of Hz. Othman by Saba`yees., he shifted the capital to Kufah (where he was already settled).
    6. There was no Jang-e-Jamal. The war between Hz. Ali and Hz. Aisha is a bluff and fiction.
    7. There was no Jang-e-Siffeen. The war between Hz. Ali and Hz. Muawiyya is a bluff and fiction.
    8. Hz. Ali was murdered by Ibn Muljam (a Zoroastrian) Mastermind : Zoroastrians and Jews of Iran.
    9. Hz. Hasan Ibn Ali served as Governor Kufah after Hz. Ali’s assasination. He left on health grounds (died of Tuberculosis) and settled in Madinah where he died a natural death. The story of poisoning by wife is another fake.
    10. Hz. Husain Ibn Ali was murdered in the Governor House at Kufah by Joshan Ibn Hormuzan, a Zoroastrian. (Mastermind : the same group of Elitist Zoroastrians, Jews and Sabayeen).
    11. Subsequently, the Zoroastrian Elite and Jews took revenge by inviting Mongols / Halaku Khan to invade Baghdad and destroy Baghdad.
    12. The first casualty was Literature. All literature was burnt. (Abu Muslim Khorasani/Jafar Barmaki & Co. got active; role played by Nasiruddin Tusi, Astronomer)
    13. New literature (Fiction) was produced and propogated. It is this literature that has reached down to us.
    14. Tabari, a zoroastrian wrote the Karbala Novel (purely fiction). It is based on quoting Al Mikhnaf, a liar (and a stage artiste – a Daastaangoh ) who died 60 years before Tabari was born. In other words if Tabari wrote the Karbala Fiction Novel at age 30, that means Al Mikhnaf (his source) had died 90 years ago !!
    SO, Shia-ism may be a religion (a mixture of Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Judaism with Arabic terms/names) by itself, but it is NOT Islam. It has got nothing to do with Islam. Shia-ism is a revenge against Islam. It is getting into Islam, taking Arabic names., and destroying Islam from “within”. Sabayeen succeeded in this endeavour.
    Vinegar is being marketed as Honey. This is now exposed. Those who find the above wrong, may kindly devote time and research for themselves. They will reach the truth if they persevere.
    THE TRUTH
    GHADIR KHUM : Prophet had deputed Hz. Ali as his REPRESENTATIVE for purposes of TAX COLLECTION (Revenue). People of that area had not paid their taxes regularly. SO it was in THAT CONTEXT that he said, “Why did you not pay the taxes when Ali asked you for it (collection). I had sent Ali to do the job”. So that is the context. The trick is to make GHADIR KHUM the Last Speech (thereby diluting the Last Sermon delivered in Arafat). Ghadir Khum speech was fictionalised so as to compete with the Last Sermon at Arafat (that was made second last thru the trick, i.e.). Ghadir Khum is a bluff. It was uttered in that context. Prophet never gave an inclination that Hz. Ali was to be his successor. NEVER.
    2. People forget that Hazrat Ali had 2 sons named : Usman Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib, and Abubakr Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib
    !
    Haqeeqat-e-Waqeya-e-Karbala – REAL STORY OF KARBALA
    With due respect to all Muslims let us stick to truth.
    Why ten days of mourning Muharram? It is well known fact that Shias started this custom of mourning Al-Husayn (maatam Husayn). Shia historian Justice Amir Ali (‘Mohammedan Law’ says, “founder and starter of Maatam-e- Husayn was Mazzal Dal Velmi a Shia in 352 A.H. (300 years after the incident)”. MAZZAL fixed 10 days of Muharram as permanent days for remembrance of the tragedy of Karbala. Shias today commemorate these 10 days of Muharram. Iraqi SABAAI narrators fabricated imaginary stories of cruel acts of horrific nature, like refusal of water and forced combats, which are not reliable and worthy of trust.
    This is fiction. Pure lies akin to truth. In particular details about the date and days. The caravan of Husayn made a very long journey over a difficult route in difficult circumstances, could never have made it in a matter of 20-22 days time and reach its destination (Mecca – Karbala). Fabricators of the story of his arrival on the 2nd of Muharram of 61 A.H. did this on purpose to fabricate fiction for 10 days, which flourish with cruelty, refusal of water, battles and forced combats. The average speed of a laden camel, which is moving in the line of a caravan under normal circumstances, is two and a half miles per hour. Now to cover a distance of about 950 miles (Mecca to Karbala) at the speed of two and a half miles per hour and daily traveling for twelve hours on average would take at least 30-31 days. Departure of Al-Husayn from Mecca was on the 10th of Dhul-Hajj 60 A.H. (Ibn-Kathir) wrote: Husayn with his family members and 60 Kufic companions departed from Mecca for Kufa and the date of his departure was 10th of Dhul-Hajj.´Therefore, it was impossible for him to arrive at Karbala on 2nd of Muharram. According to truthful narrators Husayn reached Karbala on 10th of Muharram 61 A.H., which is acceptable. Thus it is obvious that purpose of fabricated narrations was to enable the narrators to present happenings in the colors and in accordance with their fiction. Nothing has aspired in these ten days, all these incidents are just imaginary stories and lies, then why do we keep Majlis´ in these 10 days of Muharram?
    THE REAL STORY OF KARBALA : Husayn revolted against Yazid bin Muawiya and Kufis instigated him by supporting his idea. When Husain realized on his way near Kufa, that Kufis betrayed his cousin Muslim bin Aqil, he diverted the caravan towards Syria. On his way at Karbala, the Amir’s army halted him. Husain agreed to pledge to Yazid bin Muawiya.
    60 Kufis who had accompanied Husayn saw their fate at stake, now that Husayn had changed. When Army approached them for their weapons, THESE Kufis attacked, and during this attack, Al-Husayn was killed (martyred).
    This incident took place at Karbala when the caravan arrived on 10th Muharram and the fight was over in less than an hour. The claim of the Shias that Husayn was beheaded is a bluff. Husayn was buried with due honours and great respect and the Namaaz-e-Janaza was led by his son Ali bin Al-Husayn (Zeinul Abideen). So every thing was over in less that an hour ! Ibn Khaldoun has famously written : “Hussain was killed by the sword of his grandfather” (Prophet Muhammad!). What happened inside the Tent (Khayma) needs very deep research., esp. when the Zoroastrians destroyed all material along with the Tartars (Halaku and Changez). If Husain Ibn Ali was killed inside the tent.. some say after he agreed to give Bayah to Yazeed.. by the family of Muslim Bin Aqeel..).. A more reliable source says Husain, the Governor of Kufa was killed by a Zoroastrian Joshan Ibn Hormuzan., not in Karbala., but in Kufa.
    The story of denial of water – fight for 10 days – burning of tents – is purely fictional and a bluff. There is no river/lake around Karbala. There never was any lake/river near Karbala for the past 5000 years according to Geologists.
    (Matam : started by Maazal Dal Velmi 300 yrs after Husain!) – Syed Amir Ali, Judge Privy Council, and author of “Mohammedan Law”. The most prominent Shia Scholar !
    [Baquer Majlisi, Author “Bahar-ul-Anwaar” was a student of Mullah Sadra, wrote a tome of lies. Allama Razi wrote attributed his articles to Hazrat Ali ! What a bunch of liars they were. They insulted Hazrat Ali by using his name and building a maze of lies and insults around his family to destroy the mission of Prophet Muhammad]. Shia means to Kill Ali and His Family and friends., then start beating the chest laying blame on someone else (Old Jewish Trick). Khud to Dawaat Phodi – Naam Aur Kaa bataya ? Shia means to destroy the mission of Prophet Muhammad., conquer Kabah and place new idols therein.

    Shia-ism may be a religion, like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism. That is fine and we respect the Shias for their religion. But Shia-ism has got nothing to do with islam. Shia-ism is a blend of Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Christianity with Arabic names thrown in for effect and confusion.

    I challenge the Aghas of Iran and the Indian Continent to explain to me why the Book “Nabuwwa” is banned in Iran ? I want the Aghas to explain to me the work done by Abu Muslim Khorasani, Jafar Barmaki, Abdullah Ibn Saba, Nasiruddin Tusi etc. in the destruction of Baghdad, and in the destruction of the Muslim Solidarity. Explain to me the role of the above gentlemen and the work they did. But if you remain silent I will explain to you the dirty work they did.

    Shia wants to do the same thing as Jews. Undo Prophet Muhammad’s Islamic mission of Tawheed and replace it with new idols (new designs of Lat-Manat-Uzza, in the form of flags, Panjetan Palm, and other symbols).

    AGARCHEY PEER HAI AADAM ~ JAWAAN HAI LAT-O-MANAAT (Iqbal)

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  • http://www.facebook.com/AdvocateSirajudeen Adv Sirajudeen

    Politicians are not bothered about our territorial integrity. They would use the war only to raise the hype and hold on to the power.

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  • sakthi

    The author had pointed out certain problems.we can ignore this Hindu rate of growth.Our growth actually is not due to any manufacturing/production but due to earnings from service sectors.Our county is becoming market for the producers both local and outsiders.
    The so called Indian Defence forces are capable of taking on the Pakistanis but surely not the Chinese.With a kind of corruption among the politicians ,Govt people and the very citizens we are sure we can not take on the Chinese and its army.The South block is right is in its view.
    Best is we should build a better relations with Pakistan and China a honest relation ship not biased or guiled one .a real good relationship.Other wise public money will be wasted on our defense forces which will not be able to combat chinese on the terrain along the Tibetan state..

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