More Truths Than One



Last night, I watched Sach Ka Saamna, the new reality show on Star Plus, and felt sick.

If you haven’t heard of it, it’s the Hindi take on the American show, Moment of Truth, in which contestants are asked all sorts of personal questions about their lives and relationships which they must answer with a yes or a no. Four of the people they have relationships with (parents, spouse / partner, friends, relatives) are also on the set with them and many of the questions relate to these people. If a contestant lies about anything, she or he loses.

The host knows when they lie because, before the show is filmed, all the contestants are hooked to a polygraph machine (a lie detector) and asked 50 questions, which the machine registers. The questions that are asked during the filming of the show are drawn at random from this bank of 50 questions. Answer all of them truthfully, and you get a crore. Lie and you stand to lose everything.

And the questions are very, very personal. I once watched with fascinated horror, some 10 minutes of Moment of Truth and saw a woman contestant aiming to win a million dollars say yes to several things that would effectively have destroyed her relationships with her family, husband and friends. In just 10 minutes. She agreed to go on to tougher questions in her quest for the million bucks – “I’ve already ruined everything with my husband, so I may as well have the money” – at which point I changed channels. I could not bear it.

I watched the Indian version last night because I couldn’t believe that a show like that would work here. In our collective psyche, we’re very concerned about ‘face’ and a show like this would definitely cause people to lose ‘face’. Also, I’m a journalist. I have to keep up with what’s happening. Entertainment may not be my beat, but it is an indicator of popular culture and I need to know what people think and choose to do. Also, I was very curious about the kind of questions that would be asked.

So.

I could watch only 20 minutes of the show – the easy questions. When the contestant was about to be asked ‘Are you afraid your husband will become an alcoholic again?’ and ‘Did you ever consider having an affair?’ I switched off the TV and fled back to my book (a nice, juicy murder story).

I don’t know why I was so shaken. It wasn’t my life up there for grabs. Besides, the contestant had heard these questions before, and her family on the set were also fully aware of what they’d be getting into, so how could it matter what I felt about the questions? There really was no reason why I couldn’t have watched the programme to its end as some of my colleagues did. But I couldn’t.

I think it’s because this show throws the worst of my profession into my face – the requirement to ask personal, sometimes hurtful questions of people for the sake of a story or a good quote. The need to dig out dirt on people whether they like it or not. And having done that, display all that in public, for everyone to read.

Sometimes it’s necessary, often it’s not, and Indian papers, thank heavens, are not yet like the British papers. Even our tabloids are not as bad as those and as for paparazzi, we really don’t have them. Journalists here can be crudely intrusive – think of the Arushi case – but so far it’s only up to a point. In fact, I remember giggling over the media coverage when Anjelina Jolie and Brad Pitt were in Bombay to shoot for A Mighty Heart. Our reporters were hopelessly outclassed by the foreign paparazzi. Our Branjelina stories were always based on interviews with the firang journos. None (or none that I recall) were ‘broken’ by us.

I giggled, yes, but at heart I was pleased. Because it showed that we don’t have a paparazzi culture, no matter how obsessed we are with our celebs. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a good thing. Because as journalists, we don’t only have a responsibility to our country (in the sense of keeping track of the various ‘authorities’ that rule our lives) and our readers, we also have a responsibility to the people we interview or feature in our stories. Because these stories – meaning the interviewees’ stories – are going out into the public domain, and once out, they can have an effect that no one can reasonably gauge. For instance, when I did the families on Facebook story in Brunch a few weeks ago, most of the people I featured suddenly found themselves besieged with friendship requests from strangers all over the country. Nothing bad I think, but it showed me – again – the effect a story in print can have on the lives of the people I interview.

Many of the people I’ve interviewed in my career, for instance, had never been interviewed and photographed before. Many were shy, worried or excited about having their names and faces in the paper. I’m a reasonably good interviewer, I think. I can get people to relax, loosen up, talk, trust me with, sometimes, deep secrets, things they’ve done that they’re now ashamed of as well as things they’ve done that they’re proud of.

I never want to do a fluff story, so there are usually some tough, often personal questions among the ones I prepare. But in spite of that, I have to keep in mind that I have got them to trust me. I have to live up to that trust – and I have also to live up to the expectations of my readers.

Often, it’s a tough call, and often I hate my job (interviewing a family of destitute illegal Bangladeshi migrants for instance. A ‘human interest’ story – and also one that guaranteed that the family that trusted me enough to admit that they were here illegally would immediately be picked up by the police.) But it’s my job and mostly, I can’t think of any other job I’d rather do.

But some things, I think, should remain private.

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  • Veenu

    Very well written :) .

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    Nutsure Reply:

    An honest analysis. I was put off by the promos itself. I don’t think it’s a moment of truth or ’sach’. Truth cannot be expressed It has to be felt or experienced. It is commerce of so called truth. Fifteen minutes of fame on national TV at any cost. Popular programme running, possible. Thoroughly unwatchable. Would rather read Quick and Flupke by Herge !

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    Kushal Reply:

    Would rather read anything, Nutsure. TV is becoming more and more unbearable.

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    Deb Reply:

    I’d go with Samir on this – the participants are so starved of either money or (two minutes of) fame or both, that they don’t think twice about putting their relationships and their respect (and that of their near & dear ones) on the line. The funny thing is, after doing all this, they could go back empty handed, as I understand happened with a lady participant who responded in the negative to the question ‘Would you sleep with someone else if you were sure your husband wouldn’t know’, and the answer came out ‘Wrong’ on the machine, so she was out!

    Frankly, I think the day is not too far off when we’d have our own Jerry Springer Show. If you haven’t, watch a few minutes of it on US TV, provided you’ve a strong stomach – the kind of weird relationships they put on show there are just nauseating (and then comes the on-screen fights, with bouncers mediating!).

    At the risk of sounding conservative, I think programs like this (why, even the serials preaching retrogade values, extra-marital relations, et al) are bound to have an effect on the thinking of young & old alike. I firmly disagree that popular culture only projects social cultural realities. In this case, we seem to be projecting the social realities of other cultures (American?), not our own. Sooner than later, people watching such stuff on TV & elsewhere would start to think “It’s okay to do this” – the shock value attached to something, and the inhibitions about it, are then gone.

    It’s hard enough protecting our children from the precocious Shin Chan & the nudity of Mr. Bean on kiddy channels. I shudder to think what other influences are in store for the new generation (and the old as well!) as we go along this treacherous path.

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    Kushal Reply:

    You’re right, Deb. I don’t see a Jerry Springer Show being too far off. But I wonder if this is actually ‘pernicious western influence’ or if the desire for tamasha exists in our psyche already. As a nation, we do seem to be rather keen on dramebaaz.

    Kushal Reply:

    Thank you, Veenu.

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  • Sana

    Should a truth be brought up at the cost of breaking a family or ruining a relationship…wierd shows.
    That was quite an honest post “as ever”, I used to think y do journalist intrude in everyones life and try to ruin it (With due respect to u,sorry for that but thats a common belief) but I think Ive realised that bringing out the truth is a duty and people do have their moments of realisation.
    U’re Great at a tough job!

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    Kushal Reply:

    It’s not as tragic as all that, Sana. Just that I do think there are limits that should not be crossed.

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  • Samir Singh

    Some of these participants may be so starved for, or addicted to being the center of attention that they are willing to put on line their close relationships ( or lack thereof ). The prize money doesn’t hurt either.
    Truth is a valuable commodity. Too precious to be squandered on all and sundry.

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    Kushal Reply:

    I find it REALLY hard to understand the things reality show participants put up with for fame or money. Samir. I can imagine perhaps someone who has nothing to lose doing this kind of stuff. But surely not other people?

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  • http://www.hindustantimes.com Sujata Anandan

    Agree with everything you’ve said, Bunny. A journalist’s job is tough enough without having to destroy someone completely by bringing into the public what should be strictly in the private doman. I think you and I watched the same episode. I turned away, too, but not before catching the really tough one — would you sleep with someone else if you were sure your husband would never find out. She said no. The polygraph said she had lied. She said that was rubbish. The anchor said it is not about your mind, it is about your body. Which I thought was rubbish. But she had to go — without the money and perhaps without a husband in the future! And I swear I will never watch the programme again

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    Ishmart Alec Reply:

    Hmmm nice one kushal. i would imagine that you would be freaked out by the offensive. i think at a point its trying to say that no matter how good a relationship is, there are always some skeletons in the closet.

    If it helps, half of them are juniors or extras working on the fringes…. this applies to all reality tv shows. So don’t take these shows at face value.

    maybe it should have been named – The Inconvenient Truth – I don’t anyone would mind no? ;)

    http://mywriterkeeda.wordpress.com

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    pavementfreud Reply:

    I wonder when was the last time a man honestly answered this harmless question, ‘Do I look fat in this?’

    Mebbe a tenner might induce the moment-of-truth reflex…

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    Vijay Iyer Reply:

    Nice introspection. We have been caught in this mad aping of the western shows without using our own heads, first this stupid serial and many other reality shows.
    This is all about money and some short lived moment of fame which media is advocating to be the coolest thing to live for ( programmes like roadies, spitsvilla, dadagiri etc.), they are projected to be ‘ THE opportunity’ like this is what we have look forward to in our lives and many people from my generations are fools equally.
    This is about making money and television channels have ran out of ideas for making good serials or programmes, so they are blindy copying stupid concepts or generating even weirder themselves.

    And for this serial, dont you think that the contestant and his family or spouse know about all this in advance, that they could anticipate all this, these reality programmes are equally directed and crafted like saas bahu serials, nothing is real, one knows everything, all the expressions are choreographed well. Its all about greed, shortcut to ill deserved fame. This is for those viewers who have time to wile away or no thoughts to ponder at, not for rational sane people.

    Kushal Reply:

    I did wonder whether the family and friends on set are told to look horrified or to cry or whatever, Vijay. Heaven knows what goes on at this kind of shoot. Hmm. Maybe I could do a story from being a member of a reality show audience. Could be fun.

    Kushal Reply:

    Clearly you are an innocent in women talk, Pavement Freud, because there is NO correct answer to this question. Yes means a broken nose, No means further Gestapo type interrogation on the lines of “Are you just saying that?”

    pavementfreud Reply:

    Ha ha ha….I know I know…I was being sarcastic ;)

    pavementfreud Reply:

    ha ha ha…me knows…me was sarcastic ;)

    Kushal Reply:

    Nah, I don’t think anyone would mind, Alec. Maybe I should have used it as a headline for this post.

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    Kushal Reply:

    The programme is not worth watching, Sujata. But I can see how a lot of people would be attracted to it. For one thing, it makes the viewer think about how she or he would deal with the situations being talked about.

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  • SS

    Excelent write up. Keep up the good wrok. I always look forward to your articles on brunch.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Thanks SS.

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    rakesh Reply:

    i found the show quite entertaining.and about the concerns of saving kids,i think there is enough spice in the real life.

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    Kushal Reply:

    One ‘For’ voice!

    When my boss, Poonam Saxena, and I discussed this, we did think there’d be a sizeable audience for it. The only thing we were curious about was what the questions would be like. Anyway. It seems the Govt of India has issued a notice to Star Plus about this show. Let’s see what happens.

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    rakesh Reply:

    the stopping of the show will only prove on what a shaky ground the so called moralists are standing.

  • s2

    The show is voyeurism at its best. I won’t deny i was a bit intrigued to know what kind of questions they’d pose. Someone will have to be very bitter or very desperate to make those confessions. After all, who doesn’t commit thought crimes? Admitting to them in public is a totally different ball-game.
    As to your point, Indian media, especially electronic media are a bit too intrusive- trying to get all the juicy facts. It can be very off-putting to see journos pushing the mike into the faces of visibly distressed people, asking difficult questions.
    But i suppose one shouldn’t be judgemental. The journos can’t be enjoying it either. If they won’t do it, someone else undoubtedly will.

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    Kushal Reply:

    Though crimes. That’s a good one, s2. Though they wouldn’t be crimes until they’re actually committed.

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    Deb Reply:

    We’re going on to the days of Tom Cruise in ‘Minority Judgement’! (:-)

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    Kushal Reply:

    Deb: Grin.

    Kaushik Reply:

    Minority Report i believe

  • Rash

    Rakhi Sawant and now this. Our TV is getting there. So happy I only get to watch CNBC and Pogo

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    Kushal Reply:

    For me, it’s Big Cat Diary on Animal Planet. Amazing.

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  • Pervin

    Don’t watch much TV, Bunny, but culturally too, we seem to be apeing the West increasingly. Which is not always a bad thing but one needs to draw the line where intrusion of privacy’s concerned. I suppose this is also a sign o’ the changing times where values are being eroded and moolah is the new God.

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    Kushal Reply:

    I don’t know about that Pervin. Maybe I’m being deliberately naive, but I can’t think that so many people would do this just for the money. Part of me wonders if some of the participants thought, well, I have nothing to hide, so it can’t be that bad, it may even be fun. Only, as people find out eventually, once something gets into the public domain, it can go out of control.

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  • http://www.voxbox.in Melroy

    Good blog Bunny!!! How are you?

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  • Anonymous

    Typical socialist mumbo jumbo. It just takes some knowledge of economics to see this is a good thing. First some history. The only reason that has held India back is the age old suspicion of the private sector. It started with license raj. No points for guessing the people I blame for this. Look at the US. Walmart, Target et al have only pushed prices down. This has definitely helped the consumer. More money in the consumer’s pocket means the money can be used elsewhere for more productive purposes. The sorry state of India’s affairs is because of obstructions everywhere, from FDI, to education, to energy etc. Big government still wants to control everything. A Government by definition is big and bloated, and thus cannot be efficient. Capital should flow to wherever it is used most productively. It means more employment in these market chains, and means unemployment for the mom and pop stores. I’m sorry, but I don’t see how uncompetitive people losing jobs is such a bad thing. Unproductive farmers also in the long run need to look at engaging in more productive economic activities. If I use your logic, invention of cars was a bad thing, cause it put so many horse buggy drivers out of work. See where I’m going with this?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Shakil-Ahmad/1269925364 Shakil Ahmad

    These writers are real friends and chamchas of Rich companies. They do not want poor Indian farmers to prosper. If this writer arguments is correct then all the farmers in America and Europe must be the poorest of all. Because there, veggies are sold in super marts owned by retail chains and not from the basket over head or a thela. If the retail sector comes to India in an organized way, farmers will be able to get sell their products at one point and get their cash. There time will be saved which they can spend on forms cultivate even more. Their products will not be spoiled and rot if they are not able to sell. Quality of product will improve due to competition. I see that it as another step getting closer to developed economy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Excellent reply Shakil.

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    Paul Reply:

    I live in the US and have seen how large companies such as Walmart have taken over the mom & pop stores across the country in the last 20 – 25 years. Every small town and large city in US has lost these small stores which were means of living for many in US. The income earned by these businesses was ploughed back into the local economy unlike these large corporations which fill the pockets of few. Indians will regret a great deal in coming years and will see the same kind of movements as the occupy wall street that is going on now in US. This will be a big inflection point in the economic history of the country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Whatever paul…i too stay in usa for last 12 years and u are absolutely wrong. The single biggest reason for low food inflation in usa is Walmart’s every day low prices and highly efficient technology and logistics efficiency and smaller mom and pop thrives here too. There will be always be small nbr of haters of a company due to their vested interests…you cannot change their mindset. India needs to remove the 5 to 10 touch points between Farmers and consumers. The baniyawalas and trade mafiya unions have been making lot of profit by not paying the farmers and then making consumers asking high price to customers with low quality stuff this has been going on for last 60 years…. In case you do not know 40 to 50 % of india’s vegetables and fruits are damaged before reaching customers. I accolade this FDI opening rule change…this is the best change indian farmers and customers will have…competition is always a good thing. Do not make it far fetched by connecting walstreet demos to these…. You are correct this will be a big inflection point for india…but for good though…

    Paul Reply:

    ratz,

    You argue that small farmers will benefit from large corporations. Could you tell me how many small farmers or for that matter family farms exist or are profitable in US? The biggest players in Agriculture market continue to be other corporate farms who have been taking over family farms. I live in an Agricultural state and have seen this first hand. The Agriculture subsidies is a s/ham and finally Americans are waking up to the reality.
    I am no socialist but at the same time want a captalist system that that is fair and open.

    Anonymous Reply:

    paul,
    You are mixing Apples and Oranges. The FDI opening rule is for FDI in retail frontend and not for taking farm land from farmers !! In USA for generations it has been big land owned family farmers. I believe this fdi opening is fair and open and will benefit both in the increase of jobs for workforce in future and also improve our supplychain logistics.

  • subu

    After a long time Govt. has taken a good and bold step in right direction. Consumers will get good deal,value for money, good quality,no cheating in weight/prices and chise to select best item. Farmers will benefit. ITC Chaupal is the best example. only looser will be middleman and dishonest kinari shop owner. Shopping is going to be big pleasure .

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  • Log

    another flaw in this article is quote from the article above

    “Big companies entering the FDI business will not help the consumers as prices will remain high as companies will control the retail price”

    All these low level writers must understand that people are not fools and people who implemented these policies are not fools either.

    Simple logic is Big retail chains lead to more competition, more quality and above all less price.

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  • Mitra

    This is a rather weak analysis. Farmers will gain – whether big or small. India is full of marginal farmers eking out a very meagre living based on landholdings of one or two acres. They are much better of leasing out their land to big farmers and doing something else. It is only unproductive government regulations that prevents such consolidation from happenning. And if farmers form a cooperative, there is no reason why a big retailer can’t have a contract with them. It is no surprise that states with strong farm lobbies like Maharashtra, Haryana, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh (the apple orchards!) are in support of this move.

    The worry about cartelization is even more baseless. How can there be cartelization given there are millions of small shops willing to offer a lower price?! In fact, the big retailers gain over mom-and-pop stores only BECAUSE they offer the consumer a lower price with equivalent (or frequently) higher quality. Some mom-and-pop stores can be hurt- that worry is not unfounded. But in every country in the world small retailers co-exist with big ones. In any case, both farmers and consumers should benefit and so much farm produce will not be wasted in a poor country.

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  • vineet

    complete and total Bull S–t

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  • Abhijet Sen

    As such I do not see any benefit or ill effects for farmers. The bad effects will be on middle men and all the kiryana shops. Walmart and Tesco traditionally kill (I mean to say reduce the dependence) all middle men and actually passes on part of that saved money from middle men to end customers. So good for customers. Coming to limited number of Kiryana shops, which will get closed, there will a lot more jobs created in such stores. So net effect of reducing jobs does not hold true. However, problem of inadequate supplies will still remain there and these stores will not at all help in this context. Moreover, these stores are not going to provide any cold storage/food processing facility, which is open for all. So lots of food wastage problem prevalent in India will still remain. Government is living in utopia and showing all the carrots but they are hiding the stick, which will product very bad effects.

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  • Sughoshbansal

    What is the existing supply chain mechanism? Farmer to Aarthi (Commission Agent) to Mandi to wholesaler to retailer to consumer. If we eliminate the intermediate three – Aarthi, Mandi, the Wholesaler, and even then claim that the end price to the consumer shall remain the same is and outrageous inference. Another main element of supply chain mechanism is the logistics. By conservative estimates, perishable goods worth about Rs. 50,000 Crores is wasted every year, year after year due to inefficient logistics. If half of this money is saved, and then claim that the retail prices shall not be reduced is again outrageous. In all possibility, the beneficiary would be the farmers (the writer himself agrees) and the consumers and the country (in the form of reduced wastage). Out of the affected people – the Aarthi, the Mandi and the wholesalers are already moneyed people who shall always be able to find another vocation to cheat consumers and amass money through other avenues. Yes to some extent the retailers shall be affected but surely they will not extinct. Now the country has to weigh its options – either to appease the moneyed vote bank who is contributing huge money to the political parties or to appease the masses – the farmers and the consumers. Choice is with the decision makers.

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    hh Reply:

    if u eliminate the intermediate 3+ retailer, u are talkin about complete collapse of economy of atleast 30% population, plus the economy of population{doctors, small hospitals, nursing homes, CAs, lawyers, almost all other smaller professional services, esp in smaller cities} which is dependent on this very 30% population….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    guys this is a post by somebody from australia from another news blog

    prakash234 (Sydney Australia
    13 mins ago (09:06 AM)
    You are a fool if you believe that opening up the Indian retail sector will create 10 million jobs. The multinational retailers may employ these many people but it will render many times more unemployed. The biggest losers will be small business owners and ever bigger losers will be the growers and small manufactures. These giant multinational retailers will squeeze the local growers and have no interest in dealing with small to medium manufactures who cannot supply them at the scale and prices these multinationals will get from China. This will render tens of million of small manufacturers out of business while further blowing out India’s already precarious current account deficit. It is true that these multinationals will employ many people but these shop assistants and cashiers are the lowest paid workers how have no further career prospects. A many large business moguls had started their career from a corner shops. Shop assistants and cashiers will not get any opportunity to become the future entrepreneurs. It is pity that the Indian Government did not have the courage to stand up against the tirade of these multinationals. The whole country will pay the price for this timidity for generations to come.

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  • Capt.A.S.Sehmi

    Am Admi shall get jobs & multiple experience in technology & up gradation of logistics besides SCM for younger generation with world class operations. Big corporations will train their workforce who will train & carry expertise to other organizations setting in motion a new & latest process of operations in Indian Market with new learning & exposure to Electronic Commerce unheard of in India saving money in operations, better service to customers & consumers with development of technology extending to farmers & small scale operates with speedy & additional funding at cheap rates with more favorable terms of contracts for long term supplies. It is an enormous progress & job creation tools with automatic tool of disseminations of superior skills & knowledge upgrading Indian market & traders over the other industrial rivals in Asia.

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  • Manoj

    guys this is a post by somebody from australia from another news blog

    prakash234 (Sydney Australia
    13 mins ago (09:06 AM)
    You are a fool if you believe that opening up the Indian retail sector will create 10 million jobs. The multinational retailers may employ these many people but it will render many times more unemployed. The biggest losers will be small business owners and ever bigger losers will be the growers and small manufactures. These giant multinational retailers will squeeze the local growers and have no interest in dealing with small to medium manufactures who cannot supply them at the scale and prices these multinationals will get from China. This will render tens of million of small manufacturers out of business while further blowing out India’s already precarious current account deficit. It is true that these multinationals will employ many people but these shop assistants and cashiers are the lowest paid workers how have no further career prospects. A many large business moguls had started their career from a corner shops. Shop assistants and cashiers will not get any opportunity to become the future entrepreneurs. It is pity that the Indian Government did not have the courage to stand up against the tirade of these multinationals. The whole country will pay the price for this timidity for generations to come.

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  • http://rohanabraham.tumblr.com Rohan Abraham

    At a macro level view, wouldn’t this create more demand? As prices will be competitive and goods will be easier to obtain for the consumer.

    More demand would lead to more consumption. More money flowing back to the retailer and supplier. While I understand some of that will be kept by the retainer, lots of it would go back to the supplier as well, right? Isn’t it better to have that, than to sit back and say no we cant do it because the farmer will lose? I think that’s quite pointless.

    Using that logic, we should close down large malls, multiplexes etc. Pointless again.

    This is just my opinion.

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  • Anish

    Not sure how this gentleman even allowed to write misleading blog.. Its common sense that this will bring huge investments for creating supply chain, cold storage which will create huge jobs.. Kirana stores are cheat.. they sell inferior good at high price .. with no return policy. If you want to return something .. you are doomed … do you suggest , India should shop all over life in such a manner.. ?? When global retailers come.. competition will increase and consumer and suplier 9 farmer) will be benefitted.. If you are crying for those corrupt middleman than its fine .. they just contorl the supply and artifically increase the price … please do some research and then write… when computers came to india .. these kind of people said it will increase unemployment.. now India as over 25 M in computer related industry .. This is good chance to get rid of this corrupt trader lobbies.. I am coming from farmer background .. and traders will simply refuse to take your stuff if you ask good price … in the end you do not have choice to sell at reduce price as it will rot..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:
    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Anonymous

    These were the same concepts backward thinking folks always had , when computer technology & communication techology was freed and opened up in india 20 years back – their theory was india will lose lakhs of jobs…what would’ve happened to our youth of india today if then we had listened to them. Let the customer decide what they want and let india have investment in logistics and supply chain and customer front infrastructure…it will be best boon india could have when we look back 10 years from now in both manpower work force it will create and also the modern techology it will bring from Farm to the customer !!! The naysayers will always be naysayers….who have their own vested interests to keep the same old hoaders and middle man traders who are pinching money from both farmers and the customers

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    Rohan Abraham Reply:

    Well said!

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  • Ram Singapore

    Bhaiya you are right Congress party and NCP honcho Sharad Pawar are behind this game. All this policy has done has confirmed they have done backroom deal with BIG FDI retailers and Indian corporate and mid term elections are around the corner. Congress LADLA Rahul GANDHY and Ms,Sonia are making HAY while Govt is stil in their hands KAL KA KAUN JANTA HAI!

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  • Alexmon

    i feel i will be benfitted by the move to allow foreign direct investment since i will be able to get quality products at a cheaper price. iam sure that farmers will get better price for the products. also wastage of food grains will be considerably reduced

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:
    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Alexmon

    sir,

    the middle man and the small time traders are also not into the bussiness of helping the so called aam admi

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  • Anonymous

    The logic applies to Congless too, my bengali friend. Congress is the original Baniya party, and they also get hafta from shopkeepers, more so than any other party. So your informed analysis, is really, just a pile of dung.

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  • Anonymous

    Eventually this will turn into a farmers vs corporations battle with the govt. on the side of the corporations. This battle is in a advanced stage in America, with the corporations close to winning. See this:

    http://www.healingtalks.com/health/decades-of-suppressing-and-now-criminalizing-of-raw-milk-sales/

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  • Anonymous

    YOU GUYS SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FARMERS IN THE US.

    Farmers in the usa are now practically slaves to Walmart and Target.

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  • Anonymous

    Check this out why indian states need to participate in Retail modernization otherwise only those states people will be doomed when they look back at other states which welcomed this….
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/services/retailing/fdi-in-retail-to-immensely-benefit-states-like-up-says-cii/articleshow/10894881.cms

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    1. CII is a lobbying body. Their statements are self serving. They don’t give a sh*t about the small retailers in India.

    2. All this is happening just to allow walmart a foothold in India.

    3. Small retailers and farmers are not equipped to handle competition from companies like walmart.

    4. Efficiency won’t increase magically by just hand waving. There’s nothing walmart can do that we can’t do ourselves.

    5. When Walmart begins to have lot of stores and thus more clout in India, they will become a MONOPOLY. Then they will start to pay farmers LESS. This is what happened in USA. It will happen here.

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  • Anonymous

    I don’t think any country’s model is good or bad. I do know that the free market should set prices. Capital should flow to wherever it is used most efficiently. If this means individual retailers will lose jobs, or small farmers will suffer, then that is what it will be. I’m sorry, but people should acquire new skills and make themselves more competitive. I’m not sure where you are going with the US pressuring anyone. The US has been a market to all countries and has allowed all producers to sell their products. In return, what have the other countries given? A whole boat load of protectionism. If now the US asks a country to open a market in return, what is the issue? If this whole process exposes India’s sub par productivity and underemployment, so be it. It cannot be sustained forever.

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  • Anonymous

    So farmers did get a higher price? Sounds like farmers did get benefits. It takes time for things to trickle down. Once 3-4 big players become dominant, it will put downward pressure on prices. On the specific question of apples, more data is needed to determine causality. There may be other factors in play. But, one the whole, small farmers and small retailers are inefficient users of resources and are a cost to the economy. I get the moral argument. But, inefficient resources should find a way to get new skills, or be simply left behind. Yes – the world is cruel, I get it.

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  • Ali Hyder Tabatabai

    I have combined the two write ups. This is a story that must be probed. DAN BROWN is writing a book on the BLUFF OF KARBALA. A war that never took place between 72 versus 26 lakhs or 72 v/s. 30,000-. Hz. Husain Ibn Ali, Governor of Kufa, was killed by a Zoroastrian (who had converted to Islam after the conquest of Iran), and a Shia-t-e-Ali in the Governor’s Palace. TABARI wrote the fictional novel “Qatl-e-Husayn” in 300 AD (240 yrs after Hz. Husayn’s murder). Tabari based his fictional work on quotes from Al Mikhnaf, a confirmed liar and a vaudeville artiste., a daastangohe., who expired 60 years before Tabari’s birth. Let us presume Tabari wrote the fictional work “Qatl-e-Husain” at age 30., it means that Abu Mikhnaf had died 90 years back.

    Muslims were united as a rock 200 years after the passing away of Prophet Muhammad.

    It is after 3 centuries – that Mazen Del Velmi – the Jew – started Maatam.

    It is from Tabari’s commentary that Salman Rushdie got his idea to write the “Satanic Verses”., because Tabari says., that while the Surah-e-Najam was being conveyed to the Prophet by Angel Gabriel., he felt some interference from Shaitaan !

    Please note what Ibn Khaldoun had said about the murder of Hz. Husain @ the Governor House in Kufah ! “Husayn ibn Ali was murdered by his grandfather’s [Prophet's] sword”. Was he murdered by some of his own groups ? was he murdered by some staff member of the Governor house ? Who was JOSHAN ?

    Selling Vinegar bottled as “Honey”.
    - Ali Haider Nazm Tabatabai, Hyderabad Deccan.

    Shia-ism is a revenge of the Iranians against Muslims for conquering Iran. Period.
    “Truth has arrived and falsehood vanished” – (Holy Quran)
    Fiction sold as truth or in other words Lies concocted :
    1. Hz. Omar taking fire to the home of Hz. Fatima, leading to her assault and abortion. It is a lie. Hz. Ali lived for 24 yrs under the caliphate of Hz. Abubakr, Omar and Othman and he did NOT take the revenge ? He tolerated his wife’s insult and assault ? Amazing from the Lion of God !
    2. Bagh-e-Fidak : Another lie. Hz. Fatima was not cheap enough to fight for a piece of land.
    3. Karbala : Fictional Novel written 3 centuries after the murder of Hz. Husain Ibn Ali. Novelist : Tabari Ibn Hormuz (Zoroastrian).
    4. Hz. Omar murdered by Abu Lulu, a Zoroastrian posing as Muslim (murder mastermind : Abdullah Ibn Saba, the Jew; with support of Iranian/Jew sleeper cells in Madina).
    4. Hz. Othman murdered by Abdullah ibn Saba and his son (they subsequently fled to Yemen).
    5. Hz. Ali served as Governor of Kufah, happily. After the murder of Hz. Othman by Saba`yees., he shifted the capital to Kufah (where he was already settled).
    6. There was no Jang-e-Jamal. The war between Hz. Ali and Hz. Aisha is a bluff and fiction.
    7. There was no Jang-e-Siffeen. The war between Hz. Ali and Hz. Muawiyya is a bluff and fiction.
    8. Hz. Ali was murdered by Ibn Muljam (a Zoroastrian) Mastermind : Zoroastrians and Jews of Iran.
    9. Hz. Hasan Ibn Ali served as Governor Kufah after Hz. Ali’s assasination. He left on health grounds (died of Tuberculosis) and settled in Madinah where he died a natural death. The story of poisoning by wife is another fake.
    10. Hz. Husain Ibn Ali was murdered in the Governor House at Kufah by Joshan Ibn Hormuzan, a Zoroastrian. (Mastermind : the same group of Elitist Zoroastrians, Jews and Sabayeen).
    11. Subsequently, the Zoroastrian Elite and Jews took revenge by inviting Mongols / Halaku Khan to invade Baghdad and destroy Baghdad.
    12. The first casualty was Literature. All literature was burnt. (Abu Muslim Khorasani/Jafar Barmaki & Co. got active; role played by Nasiruddin Tusi, Astronomer)
    13. New literature (Fiction) was produced and propogated. It is this literature that has reached down to us.
    14. Tabari, a zoroastrian wrote the Karbala Novel (purely fiction). It is based on quoting Al Mikhnaf, a liar (and a stage artiste – a Daastaangoh ) who died 60 years before Tabari was born. In other words if Tabari wrote the Karbala Fiction Novel at age 30, that means Al Mikhnaf (his source) had died 90 years ago !!
    SO, Shia-ism may be a religion (a mixture of Zoroastrianism, Christianity and Judaism with Arabic terms/names) by itself, but it is NOT Islam. It has got nothing to do with Islam. Shia-ism is a revenge against Islam. It is getting into Islam, taking Arabic names., and destroying Islam from “within”. Sabayeen succeeded in this endeavour.
    Vinegar is being marketed as Honey. This is now exposed. Those who find the above wrong, may kindly devote time and research for themselves. They will reach the truth if they persevere.
    THE TRUTH
    GHADIR KHUM : Prophet had deputed Hz. Ali as his REPRESENTATIVE for purposes of TAX COLLECTION (Revenue). People of that area had not paid their taxes regularly. SO it was in THAT CONTEXT that he said, “Why did you not pay the taxes when Ali asked you for it (collection). I had sent Ali to do the job”. So that is the context. The trick is to make GHADIR KHUM the Last Speech (thereby diluting the Last Sermon delivered in Arafat). Ghadir Khum speech was fictionalised so as to compete with the Last Sermon at Arafat (that was made second last thru the trick, i.e.). Ghadir Khum is a bluff. It was uttered in that context. Prophet never gave an inclination that Hz. Ali was to be his successor. NEVER.
    2. People forget that Hazrat Ali had 2 sons named : Usman Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib, and Abubakr Ibn Ali Ibn Abi Talib
    !
    Haqeeqat-e-Waqeya-e-Karbala – REAL STORY OF KARBALA
    With due respect to all Muslims let us stick to truth.
    Why ten days of mourning Muharram? It is well known fact that Shias started this custom of mourning Al-Husayn (maatam Husayn). Shia historian Justice Amir Ali (‘Mohammedan Law’ says, “founder and starter of Maatam-e- Husayn was Mazzal Dal Velmi a Shia in 352 A.H. (300 years after the incident)”. MAZZAL fixed 10 days of Muharram as permanent days for remembrance of the tragedy of Karbala. Shias today commemorate these 10 days of Muharram. Iraqi SABAAI narrators fabricated imaginary stories of cruel acts of horrific nature, like refusal of water and forced combats, which are not reliable and worthy of trust.
    This is fiction. Pure lies akin to truth. In particular details about the date and days. The caravan of Husayn made a very long journey over a difficult route in difficult circumstances, could never have made it in a matter of 20-22 days time and reach its destination (Mecca – Karbala). Fabricators of the story of his arrival on the 2nd of Muharram of 61 A.H. did this on purpose to fabricate fiction for 10 days, which flourish with cruelty, refusal of water, battles and forced combats. The average speed of a laden camel, which is moving in the line of a caravan under normal circumstances, is two and a half miles per hour. Now to cover a distance of about 950 miles (Mecca to Karbala) at the speed of two and a half miles per hour and daily traveling for twelve hours on average would take at least 30-31 days. Departure of Al-Husayn from Mecca was on the 10th of Dhul-Hajj 60 A.H. (Ibn-Kathir) wrote: Husayn with his family members and 60 Kufic companions departed from Mecca for Kufa and the date of his departure was 10th of Dhul-Hajj.´Therefore, it was impossible for him to arrive at Karbala on 2nd of Muharram. According to truthful narrators Husayn reached Karbala on 10th of Muharram 61 A.H., which is acceptable. Thus it is obvious that purpose of fabricated narrations was to enable the narrators to present happenings in the colors and in accordance with their fiction. Nothing has aspired in these ten days, all these incidents are just imaginary stories and lies, then why do we keep Majlis´ in these 10 days of Muharram?
    THE REAL STORY OF KARBALA : Husayn revolted against Yazid bin Muawiya and Kufis instigated him by supporting his idea. When Husain realized on his way near Kufa, that Kufis betrayed his cousin Muslim bin Aqil, he diverted the caravan towards Syria. On his way at Karbala, the Amir’s army halted him. Husain agreed to pledge to Yazid bin Muawiya.
    60 Kufis who had accompanied Husayn saw their fate at stake, now that Husayn had changed. When Army approached them for their weapons, THESE Kufis attacked, and during this attack, Al-Husayn was killed (martyred).
    This incident took place at Karbala when the caravan arrived on 10th Muharram and the fight was over in less than an hour. The claim of the Shias that Husayn was beheaded is a bluff. Husayn was buried with due honours and great respect and the Namaaz-e-Janaza was led by his son Ali bin Al-Husayn (Zeinul Abideen). So every thing was over in less that an hour ! Ibn Khaldoun has famously written : “Hussain was killed by the sword of his grandfather” (Prophet Muhammad!). What happened inside the Tent (Khayma) needs very deep research., esp. when the Zoroastrians destroyed all material along with the Tartars (Halaku and Changez). If Husain Ibn Ali was killed inside the tent.. some say after he agreed to give Bayah to Yazeed.. by the family of Muslim Bin Aqeel..).. A more reliable source says Husain, the Governor of Kufa was killed by a Zoroastrian Joshan Ibn Hormuzan., not in Karbala., but in Kufa.
    The story of denial of water – fight for 10 days – burning of tents – is purely fictional and a bluff. There is no river/lake around Karbala. There never was any lake/river near Karbala for the past 5000 years according to Geologists.
    (Matam : started by Maazal Dal Velmi 300 yrs after Husain!) – Syed Amir Ali, Judge Privy Council, and author of “Mohammedan Law”. The most prominent Shia Scholar !
    [Baquer Majlisi, Author “Bahar-ul-Anwaar” was a student of Mullah Sadra, wrote a tome of lies. Allama Razi wrote attributed his articles to Hazrat Ali ! What a bunch of liars they were. They insulted Hazrat Ali by using his name and building a maze of lies and insults around his family to destroy the mission of Prophet Muhammad]. Shia means to Kill Ali and His Family and friends., then start beating the chest laying blame on someone else (Old Jewish Trick). Khud to Dawaat Phodi – Naam Aur Kaa bataya ? Shia means to destroy the mission of Prophet Muhammad., conquer Kabah and place new idols therein.

    Shia-ism may be a religion, like Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism. That is fine and we respect the Shias for their religion. But Shia-ism has got nothing to do with islam. Shia-ism is a blend of Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Christianity with Arabic names thrown in for effect and confusion.

    I challenge the Aghas of Iran and the Indian Continent to explain to me why the Book “Nabuwwa” is banned in Iran ? I want the Aghas to explain to me the work done by Abu Muslim Khorasani, Jafar Barmaki, Abdullah Ibn Saba, Nasiruddin Tusi etc. in the destruction of Baghdad, and in the destruction of the Muslim Solidarity. Explain to me the role of the above gentlemen and the work they did. But if you remain silent I will explain to you the dirty work they did.

    Shia wants to do the same thing as Jews. Undo Prophet Muhammad’s Islamic mission of Tawheed and replace it with new idols (new designs of Lat-Manat-Uzza, in the form of flags, Panjetan Palm, and other symbols).

    AGARCHEY PEER HAI AADAM ~ JAWAAN HAI LAT-O-MANAAT (Iqbal)

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