Indian vs western fashion: what should Mumbaikars wear?



I went to an interview this morning in a Mumbai hotel basement. A young Indian woman in a sari greeted me. I presumed she was one of the hotel staff, as at these high-end hotels, they often dress in saris, so I smiled and walked past. She shouted out my name and it turned out she was the PR woman waiting to meet me. So I thought to myself, “Am I at an event about or promoting saris?” “No, this is the launch of India’s first gay book shop.” No connection to saris, then. How come this modern woman is in a sari? Every PR woman I meet is always in trousers or a western dress.

“Wow, you look stunning. You rarely get to see young people wearing saris in Mumbai,” I said, complimenting her.

You see, every young woman you see in Mumbai nowadays is dressed either in tight jeans and a strappy top, or in a western-style flowing dress. Shorts and skirts do not appear to be in fashion. Nor are saris or Punjabi suits. Yes, some people wear saris in the evening to five-star hotel functions, but you rarely see people dressed in them during the day, and they are never ever seen inside the city’s trendy bars and clubs. The young Mumbaikar’s penchant for jeans strikes me as odd, since Mumbai is baking hot all year round. The seasons drift from hot, to very hot, to painfully hot, to humid and wet hot, back to plain hot.

Saris and Salwar Kameez are ideally suited to such weather, are they not?

On the contrary, denim jeans make you sweat, and are better suited to cold climates. Moreover, they are also not at all feminine, unlike saris. Women, western or Indian, look a dozen times more attractive in a glittering sari, than in a masculine-looking pair of jeans and T shirt. In the hottest months of India (March to June); I avoid jeans, instead opting for linen or cotton trousers, yet most people around me, young Indian men and women, continue to go around in jeans. Weird.

Indian men, too, look strikingly dashing in Indian dress. They do not in flip flops, jeans and a shirt.

I adore the Kurta Pyjama look, as well as the Nehru shirt. When an Indian man wears them he comes across as intelligent, spiritual, Indian, interesting, all at once…I especially like the pointed Aladdin-style shoes that go with the former. I also don’t really like the ‘jeans, and V-next tight T shirt look’ that so many young Mumbai guys are into…It makes them look a tad gay.

I’m not sure that Indian clothes look good on a western man though. He tends to look more like a hippy trying to find himself.

“I always wear saris everyday, have done since I was at college. I’m only 25,” the PR woman told me. She then asked me if I wore saris. I said that I didn’t but would love her to teach me how to wear one.

She then said: “In a sari you expose your back and stomach, so you have to be thin. In a Punjabi suit, you can cover it all up.” Very true. Hence, I have two in my wardrobe, which comes in use when I am feeling fat.

I told her that though I had two Punjabi suits I really liked wearing, I wasn’t sure people liked them at the P3 parties and posh Breach Candy events in Mumbai, where, if at all, saris seemed to be preferred.

We then went on to discuss how weird it was that so few young men and women in Mumbai dressed in Indian dress. Weird because Indian dress is so much better suited to the climate here and also makes anyone look so much more attractive. One of my most vivid memories of coming to India aged 19 is of floating around Rajasthan and being bewitched by all the dazzling colours of the women in their various stunning saris…bright pink, red, green..I got some amazing photographs on my SLR camera, now in a photo album in Somerset.

Luckily western women can look as good as Indian women in Indian dress (unlike our male counterparts).

I have noticed that sometimes in my kurta fusion outfits (kurta above jeans), Indian men appear a tad confused, as though they ‘expect’ me to be in western dress, like the Indian women. But then when I wear a particular gold and bright green kurta of a Punjabi suit, it gets all the men looking at me…without fail…(a nice little weapon in my wardrobe, alongside my knee-length black leather boots.)

In an interview on YouTube recently, Akshay Kumar was asked what it was like playing a British Indian in his upcoming flick Patiala House, due for release after Diwali. The film is about a British Asian who wants to play cricket for England but his family are opposed to it.

(Incidentally 12 professional cricketers from across the world are appearing in cricket matches in the film. They include Kieron Pollard, Nasser Hussain, Herschelle Gibbs and Greame Hick. It sounds like the perfect masala – Bollywood and cricket – guaranteed box office returns, even if rubbish. I would invest in this film if I could)

Kumar says: “To play a British Indian I had to be more Indian than I actually am. In India we always try to copy the West, but what I have noticed since travelling to the UK and Canada, is that they tend to copy us.” So, maybe this explains the young Indian penchant for jeans.

It’s funny how clothes can turn on or off the opposite sex. I was reading about this on the web, where various people were saying their top turn-offs and turn-ons.

Turn-ons (in women) for men (according to these western web sites) were apparently short skirts (esp with high stockings), tights and stockings, long backless dresses, tight T shirts, heels, leather jeans, and petticoats.

Here’s my top turn offs and turn ons (in men):

In men I adore any kind of Indian dress (only if the guy is Indian; not if he is western); cords (especially beige); any soft material trousers, esp in pale colours; collared formal shirts (but never over jeans – jeans need to be with a T shirt or very casual shirt); a man looks sexiest in a smart causal look eg tiny polka dot black shirt over cords; I love pointed shoes, trainers, canvas shoes; jeans (not black) – need to be a cool brand though, and not too worn and old.

I detest shorts (I’m sorry but men’s hairy legs are not attractive), tight gay-looking T-shirts over jeans (most men in Lokhandwala sadly dress like this); backpacker dress (this is gross and the biggest turn off – for example a man wearing three quarter length cotton combat-style trousers and backpacker shoes makes me want to run a mile; as does a man in shorts and a tight T shirt); caps and hats (sorry they do nothing for me); braces (yuck); western formal suits (not sexy); black trousers with a white shirt (bad taste); black trousers with a black shirt (shows zero imagination and suggests the guy is fat); white socks (get black or navy, please!); overbranded designer T-shirts (makes you look sad and like a loser) backpacker sandals, open-toe sandals, flip flops and those weird coloured plastic sandals (just to emphasise a point – avoid the flip flops, blue jeans and formal shirt look – the classic Mumbaikar’s dress – A.V.O.I. D..Get a kurta pyjama on instead); tight cycling shorts. (Need I even comment.)

Phew, that’s my list. So, please let me know how you like to see a man or woman dressed. And do you prefer Indian or western clothes on them?

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  • proj

    Agreed, the jeans fashion is a little overdone in India, especially acid wash. I have never seen western men wearing acid wash jeans to classy parties, they are mostly limited to students and workmen. Also sneakers, everyone, Indian men and women love their sneakers, wear them everywhere. Last winter, i saw a couple Indian guys wearing red sneakers in a club.

    I love women in saris as much as those elegant evening gowns popular in the west. Both Indian or Western fashion can look great provided one can carry it off. i have seen white women wearing saris in Indian events in the US and they look beautiful although I don’t think they look that beautiful in salwar suits.

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    Mick Reply:

    Only two probs with this blog so far. pointy shoes on men yuck, and I have never seen a western woman wearing a sari that looks right. Indian clothes have developed to cope with the weather so they must be the best thing to wear there surely except the wooly hats you see some people wearing when as you describe it it’s hot hot.

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    proj Reply:

    I think she means kolhapuri sandals which really looks nice with a traditional indian dress although they are a pit pointy but it’s kinda rounded, so it looks fashionable. The pointy shoes which some men wear in the west does look weird. This woolly hat thing you talk about is more popular among yuppie kids who once again are imitating their western counterparts just to look cool. It would be interesting to know where exactly did you see guys wearing them.

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    Mick Reply:

    Actually Proj I saw some very young babies wearing woolly hats that did up under their chins in Karvala, Kerala it was about 34c and some older people wearing the same sort of hat in what was to me real heat

    proj Reply:

    Now I see, you mean the monkey caps, that’s what they call them in India. I know a lot of guys from South India who have their room heat here in the US as high as 95 F, go figure it out.

    proj Reply:

    I like it that Naomi is honest about Bollywood.

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  • Sumedha

    I used to wear jeans in Mumbai primarily because the sweat doesn’t soak through. I’ve tried everything else: loose cotton dresses, linen pants, khadi shirts etc. but 10 minutes into the train ride I’d get these ugly sweat patches, most embarrassingly in weird places. Jeans are no doubt not “cool” for Mumbai weather but they keep the sweat in. Also good for wiping hands and don’t need much washing.
    Just FYI denim has an SPF of 1600. :)

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  • Avi

    This has always been my point; Its irrational. Form has won over function. Some more examples:
    Golf courses: Does it suit our weather? Do we have that kind of land, grass and the resources for the sport? There was a reason golf originated in Scotland and is widely adopted in temperate less populated regions.
    Closed vehicles with air conditioners: Why can’t we have vehicles with a larger emphasis on cooling and a different climate control design altogether? The air conditioners in the vehicles in the west were so designed to allow engine heat to percolate to the car chamber easily. The purpose was twin, not just cooling.

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    Ashish Reply:

    India ki gamri main ache achoo ki wat lag jati hai baap, jai maharashtra.

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    Mick Reply:

    Tosser can’t even speak english

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    Blogger Reply:

    LOL! I think he can, but for your benefit he says (just simple translation – dont attack me for this anyone):

    “India ki gamri main ache achoo ki wat lag jati hai baap, jai maharashtra.”

    ‘During summers in India it gets too much for anyone…(or the best – in terms of those who can tolerate warm climate)…

  • Ashish

    This all your ancestor’s fault, why don’t you go back to uk and ask your people to return, with interest, all the money they looted for 200 years. And the nerves on you people to say that all the treasure was properly acquired, read the story on kohinoor diamond for example, your queen is wearing OUR diamond on her head, your coffers are filled with OUR money, your industrial revolution and war was funded by OUR money. Such shameless people.

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    nona Reply:

    Oh yeah the money belongs to you!!!!! moron. Why dont you go and get it???? Rubbish comment.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ nona

    rubbish your b-l-o-o-d-y pommie arse. F-U-C-K YOU POMMIES

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    Mick Reply:

    We built you 25000 miles of railway with some of that money, anyway you and 99.999999% of Indians wouldn’t have seen an anna of it would you so dream on.

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    Ashish Reply:

    hmmm.. why don’t u shove that 25K miles of railway up ur queen’s arse and give back the money that ur ancestor’s so shamelessly stole from us. Don’t u ppl have one bit of shame u maggots. That’s what u ppl do, impotent uncivilised ******** didn’t have anything back then so invade a country and steal everything.. hmm genius.

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    Vikram Reply:

    Arre bandhu if not the white then the desi babu is going to steal our money anyway :(

    proj Reply:

    Also how could the whites enter, had there not being the Mir Jaffars, the present day version being the westernized yuppies ? Even today, on this blog you will find at least a few yuppies sucking up with absolutely no sense of identity. I don’t mean hostility towards foreigners but being able to hold your own against any onslaught. Yesterday on CNN-IBN, there was a report about some research finding in UK that half of all racist crimes were directed towards Indians and most interestingly, 99% of those Indians were men, so not only white society, by and large is racist but also gender biased, no wonder the high commissioner will quickly get a westernized Indian lady to vouch how wonderful her experience was and how she was treated like a princess by everyone there. Such divide and rule policies of the British succeed because of the suck up mentality of a section of yuppie Indians. It’s a major section of starry eyed Indian yuppies who lack confidence in their own culture (does not necessarily mean detesting every aspect of foreign cultures, no matter how beneficial) that we had maximum number of foreign incursions in history. Look at China, they were never invaded although the Japanese tried to do a few times. Forget invasions, as Vikram very rightly points out, is Sharad Pawar or A Raja any better than Lord Clive or Lord Macaulay ?
    Time to think.

    proj Reply:

    I again got the “Duplicate comment detected” message, had to try every trick in my knowledge to save myself the embarrassment of double posting.

    vivek Reply:

    China was invaded by Japanese, Brits, French, German, Portugese – they all won and were given areas called the concessions. The Mongols and Manchurians ruled China for dynasties. Opium war, Sino-French war – go do some research…

    Today in China – the only people who wear traditional dresses are waiters.

    I like it how you quote ’some research findings’ on CNN-IBN and want people to believe it – they are ’some research findings’ – can’t see a reason to believe ’some research findings’.

    Paritosh Reply:

    @ MICK

    hi mick , i”m gonna cut your pommy dick

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    Mick Reply:

    I’ve got a lot to spare, so you try helping your self as you probably need one.

    ns Reply:

    Although a general discussion on the topic is perfectly legitimate (even though pretty unrelated to the blog on sarees and jeans), the way you have directed it to the author of the blog, it is in a very poor taste. And maybe other readers should let their views be known, too.

    And don’t waste your time and my time telling me that I am sucking up to white skin.

    What happened to atithi devo bhava?

    You can’t hold one generation responsible for what happened several generations ago. However, that does not dilute your claim to an apology, compensation and kohinoor.

    The decline started long before the Britishers came. Ever since we started getting the Muslim invasions, we went into a shell, no development, no progress, no growth, utter disunity, and so on. Look at the Indian history before the Muslim invasions – we were progressing in every field you can think of. But for several centuries since the muslim invasions began, we were busy saving our culture and religion and just fighting among ourselves and, of course, many of the rajas were busy saving their fiefdoms by sucking up to the mughals. The Britishers only took advantage of the situation. That was a period when all the western powers were busy colonizing wherever they could. We, and the others, got colonized because we were militarily inferior and, we were militarily inferior because we were not doing anything for several centuries to enhance our knowledge; we built the Taj Mahal, for sure.

    We lagged behind for a long time because we lost out on the industrial revolution. Before the industrial revolution asian countries provided the largest percentage of world GDP. Now that the technology gap is gradually getting narrower, the world might get back to the previous situation, especially with the large percentage of human capital here in Asia.

    Most of the sucking up that happens everywhere, is probably due to economic reasons. If the Mughals feed you and give you some security, you suck up to them, then it can be Britishers, or Russians or Americans. There will always be Mir Jaffers. But in the end, you lose in a military war because you are militarily weaker. If the Chinese invade you today, you won’t need a Mir Jaffer, you would lose whether you wanna admit it or not.

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    proj Reply:

    Well, ns, you definitely have a point and I am all for civility but let’s not forget that the white society is inherently a racially supremacist society who wants to rule over the world which they very successfully did over the last couple centuries. But as must be fully aware it’s all cyclic and fortunately or unfortunately, we are at the end of the cycle and world supremacy might just be slipping away from their grip given the prodigal and philandering ways of their current generation.

    Now my question to you is what would your best strategy be in dealing with racially supremacy ? I totally appreciate your calls for atithi devo bhava blah blah but are we Indians meted the same kind of treatment in any of the Anglo Saxon countries, where discrimination is rampant, off course under the veil of political correctness in every way they treat Indians or any dark skinned male for that matter. The latest bit on how Australians have done it ONCE AGAIN is well illustrated in the following article

    http://sports.in.msn.com/cricket/article.aspx?cp-documentid=4101545

    Now you might very well argue as to why should we be like them wherein lies the answer to your concern about our negligence towards building military muscle or do you mean we should pay lip service to peace initiatives like most Anglo Saxon countries. I can very well understand your frustration at comments like those of Paritosh’s on this blog and your call for civility therein but let’s not forget that white society not only has Paritoshes in good measure but way way more pernicious Machiavellis who can resort to violence just because they feel Indians are eating better food and therefore their standard of living is going all awry. Remember it’s just that they feel, whether there is any solid basis to this feeling requires intricate economic analysis which an average block-headed Anglo Saxon who solely relies on visual perception for his/her conclusions can only do in his/her dreams.

    Finally as the above article rightly points out, we need to have “our own Machiavellis ( or build up military muscle, as you said along with diplomatic muscle i.e. more Pranab Mukherjees, Kamal Naths because until recently India used to loose the plot in diplomacy itself leaving its military with an uphill battle like it did in Kargil) who can see through their designs in no time, checkmate them and leave the ‘imperial powers’ with egg on their face”.

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    vivek Reply:

    We Indians are racist to our core – just see how we treat black people and now think that we should rule the world. Talking about Australia – we know who called Symonds monkey as he is of Jamaican decent.

    We discriminate on caste, region, language, colour, money, race – I am sure we will succed the white supremacists! We have all the qualities…

  • Blogger

    Hi Naomi, good post. I would start by answering first that it is impossible for girls to wear a sari on a daily basis – yes you read it right ‘impossible’. Sari is a traditional dress as much as a western suit or the ‘Kilt’ – so the first thing is that usually young girls will only wear it on a special occasion.

    Secondly, though a sari can be worn daily (usually women will wear and you see them everywhere, I gather you are only referring to young girls); it is difficult to manage when you are running around, working or doing any other activity. You say you yourself have tried – so can you imagine a daily routine dressed in a sari?

    Apart from the very reason one girl states that it does expose parts of your body, the Saree is also seen as a ’special’. Wedding sari costs a fortune; good saris have a legacy – Banarasi or kanjivaram etc. (I am not an expert but do know a bit so please dont attack me fellow bloggers).

    Having said that I totally agree and most will, that a woman looks absolutely stunning in a sari. I remember my school farewell party where I saw my fellow girl students (and senior girls) in a sari for the first time and I tell you I could not believe my eyes on how gorgeous some girls looked – including those I never even noticed in our normal school dress! From then on I had some new crushes LOL!

    I take Mike’s point that most western women will not look as good because they dont wear it correctly; but if they do, I would say they would look as stunning as any other Indian woman.

    So I totally understand that most girls will feel comfortable in any jeans rather than suits or sari – here I would say that suits might be seen as ‘behenji’ or backward otherwise punjabi suits cannot be forsaken for the reasons I have quoted for saree (difficult to manage) – though girls might find the dupatta a hassle – but some usually dont even wear one with the suits (which I personally dont like – it gives an incomplete look, but anyway).

    I also feel that it is somewhat the same with guys not going for kurta pajama – they are comfortable but not for everyone – there is no other reason I guess, for me for example I do not like the feel at all, It feels so loose and uncomfortable, especially the annoying ‘naada’ (the string that is to be tied in the pajama to stop it from falling down!). No wonder most guys who want to wear match it with jeans!

    Also, it is another of those traditional dresses that guys wear for maybe office functions during independence day, diwali party etc. This dress also gives a very ‘political’ look – therefore another reason I am not very fond of it!

    On your points about your turn on’s and off’s ofcourse they are your own preference, but I too do understand some of the dress sense behind the following for guys and gals:

    Guys:

    Shorts and sandals when you know you have match stick legs (if at all to be worn, it should be left to those that have good muscular thighs and calves – like the WWF guys);
    Kurtas and jeans – I am yet to see a guy and admire him for it;
    Sports sneakers with western formal suit;
    Tight Ts ’salman’ wannabe with Kumar Gaurav physique;
    Shades indoors or mall parking lots;

    Gals:

    Suits without dupattas;
    Tight jeans which outline flabby legs;
    Long t shirts with baggy jeans.

    To close, I think it does not matter what you dress up in as long as:

    1. It compliments your skin tone, physical appearance (I know girls who can carry off micro mini’s and women who look cheap in saris; guys who look great in tight Ts and guys who look out of place in suits)

    2. You are comfortable in it which includes the choice of clothing in the environment you are – you can be comfortable in a bikini but you cant be wearing it a public transport – leave it for your beach vacation;

    3. It compliments the occasion – Jeans in a wedding and suits on sunny afternoon road side dhaba dont go well.

    I like a girl who irrespective of her dress is able to adhere to the above three points – she can wear a suit, mini skirt or a sari and still look perfect given the situation, her poise and overall environment.

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    Atul Reply:

    Hey Blogger, you pretty much covered all..:)

    Naomi, well Sari ofcourse is a stunning piece of dress if a woman can carry it off well but the very same doesn’t hold true for guys wearing Kurta, its very comfortable but its wierd and doesn’t go well on mostly all occasions baring a few as blogger mentioned.

    I am sorry, but its no fantasy for the western wear that you see majority dressed in Jeans. Though the tight ones are a little uncomfortable, you cannot ignore the other so many purpose it meets. It pretty much goes well on all occasions but the formal events. It is suited for all whether conditions for different reasons as mentioned by blogger.

    About your turn off list: Shorts are not worn to make a statement, they are for comfort. I agree they don’t look good if one has chicken legs but looks amazing on someone with muscular thighs and tonned calfs. Not all tight t-shirts are gay-looking, the deep v-neck ones are. How can someone detest Hats and caps, I am surprised you even care about them. Why not western formal suits?? and since when black trouser and white shirt combo become a bad taste.

    I don’ t have a turn on or turn off list in particular until a female exudes confidence and is comfortable in what she is wearing. and trust me its never about clothes one is wearing but how well and how comfortable one is in wearing those. I for sure detest girls who blindly follow fasion trends irrespectivce of their disproportional body structure. A person at the end of the day shoudn’t care about whats in vogue or what might put off a guy/gal (you cannot please everyone) but what looks good on him/her.

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    Blogger Reply:

    Thanks Atul for seconding me.. we both make the point it is not ‘what’ you wear but ‘how’ and ‘where’.

    So Naomi go ahead and wear that sari – maybe we should get a treat of you wearing one in one of your next blogs!

    Keep well.

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  • http://lughole.net Saarthak

    Naomi, you just filtered out 80% of my wardrobe :(

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    sriki Reply:

    haha same with me ( note: i dont wear V- neck tight T-shirts though). Actually we are trying to appeal to the western crazy women mostly, so they work i guess.

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  • John

    Not once: “I also don’t really like the ‘jeans, and V-next tight T shirt look’ that so many young Mumbai guys are into…It makes them look a tad gay.”

    But twice!: “I detest … tight gay-looking T-shirts”

    Since you’re telling us what you detest, I’d be interested to know which you think is the more detestable thing: to merely “look gay”, whatever that might mean, or to actually *be* gay? Presumably to “look gay” and be gay simultaneously is the worst of all?

    Naomi, I’ve noticed that sometimes really unpleasant and dated attitudes slip through in your writing — it makes you sound really gay (“gay” meaning “bad”).

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    Craig Reply:

    i was going to reply but i see John has said it all…tsk tsk Naomi!!

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    Naomi Reply:

    Hey, I have no issue with gay people AT ALL…Hence I was very glad to report on India’s first gay bookstore opening in Mumbai, and am reading one of the books at home right now:) It’s also great to see the gay community in Mumbai celebrating their achievements in the past year – with the abolishment of section 377 a year ago….and the fact many feel much more empowerd, and there are so many groups and social activities on offer…..for them….The point is most people don’t really care about other people’s sexual orientation (unless they are dating them, or married to them)

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    Naomi Reply:

    Last week there was a huge celebration of the first anniversary of the abolishment of section 377 in the High Court, which had crimilaised being gay, at Azad Maidan (the matter is now at the Supreme Court….) I have reported on several gay issues, such as on hijira’s rights and on the first ever gay shop (not book store, but shop) opening in Mumbai…Please don’t accuse me of things I am not:)….

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  • Mick

    The hairy legs bit gets me, but I think I might be in with a chance to be attractive to Naomi I recently had major surgery and amongst other bits of my anatomy I had both legs shaved, should I continue to shave them now I know her dislike of hairiness they are getting a bit stubley, tell me babe what should I do?

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    proj Reply:

    I find it interesting that white women don’t like hair on men. Here in the US, you will find a bunch of guys shaving from head to toe first thing in the morning since having hair on the body is supposedly a bad thing in mainstream American culture. On my second day in the US, a relatively mature lady told me she would love to have the kind of hair ( I have nice wavy hair) I have which was really a culture shock to me. Five years later in Bschool, i was told by my second year buddy Megan that I need to cut my hair short like the blacks or mexicans do in order to be more American which in my understanding of fashion, just does not go well with my looks because i am not as big bodied or broad as some of these guys are. It was an interesting experience but I was not too impressed with this kind of cultural BS

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    Blogger Reply:

    I agree with you and I find it strange too – when I was in the UK, I had these ‘normal’ length hair and then with my friend I went for the real short cut which was ‘in’ and immediately the next day my colleague (wonderful Scottish girl) complimented me on my new haircut!

    When my Indian friends looked at my pics they said I did not look too good and one of them said, well you dont need to do what they do cause they keep short hair cause they hardly wash it as they are lazy!

    Not sure if that was true, can Naomi comment please?

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    proj Reply:

    The lazy bit was put in just for humor sake, I guess, a similar explanation is sometimes used for whites using toilet paper. I think there’s cultural underpinnings to it, most whites are not used to dark skinned men with nice wavy hair rather thick matted hair as those of African origin which is either done away with or braided but let’s see what Naomi has to say.

  • KJSS

    NAOMI,

    I was in Mumabi a day before yesterday and happened to cross HT -offices— I was wondering looking around thinking what has happen to young guys in Mumbai — Many of them were Kurta pyjama with various kinds of pointed shoes-Rajsthani or Punjabi style!!!

    Today I visited your blog and could understand the REASON!!!!

    Oh my god!!!!

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    ns Reply:

    And I thought I was the only one!

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ ns

    how many times did you lick British arse. how many times did you lick their feet.

    ATITHI DEVO BHAVA MY FOOT. I SHOW A BIG MIDDLE FINGER TO THAT SLOGAN !!

    it was Mir Jaffers like you who betrayed their own nation. you seem to be one of those Indians who like to play the role of a pet dog for the Englishman. you have shown that you have no self respect and dignity as an Indian.

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    Mick Reply:

    How about being equal, like it really don’t matter where you come from or what the colour of yer skin is, as long as you respect each other then things will be fine. I traveled in India 30yrs ago and 6mths ago, the difference between the Indian male then and now is amazing and I think it mainly is that they have more self respect, and this surely is something that defines how a man is perceived.

    proj Reply:

    Can’t appreciate enough, i really wish the world becomes more equitable but you know what, although I have always dreamt of this since I started travelling, the more I travel and experience diverse cultures, I am loosing hope, unfortunately and I am not saying Indians are any better. Maybe that’s normal human psychology, to discriminate based on their perceived superiority (until death, the biggest equalizer) like greed is, which has finally dawned on Ivy league educated economists who acknowledge today that their free market economics model bereft of any regulation did not take such human emotions into account, no matter how much you want to be positive and think, it’s not there, that’s more utopian than real..

    Paritosh Reply:

    @ mick

    now you have surely said something thats really better but something that Anglo-Saxon Brits wont accept, treating an Asian equally.

    it would be good if you give this message to your fellow Anglo-Saxon ( or White ) Brits.

    i want my fellow Indians to treat the Brits with the same insult and contempt , the way they are subjected to. but instead they behave like dogs , licking Englishman’s arse.
    i wonder why cant they have any self respect and be more assertive.

  • http://where-romeo-went.tumblr.com/ Gibreel

    Red Shoes: They look nice. I just bought a pair worth a bomb.

    Perfect attire: Clean shave – short hair – Blue Shirt – Black Blazer – Worthy Jeans – my Red Shoes and My small Fedora.

    Im always happy dressed this way, although i dont find any avenue where i can carry these off. Now this may not be your fashion sense, but i find it more comfortable than any kurta i ever wore. And I don’t judge you if you find it stupid / unfashionable / boyish / weird / yuppie. Its me. As are many of the folks walking down on street.

    I love ‘fashion’ but I despise the judging fashion.

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    Mick Reply:

    Not sure about the shoes and hat but the rest yer thats alright son

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    Paritosh Reply:

    hey dude dont get angry for my “pommy dick” comment

    i know you dont have one. you are a castrated pommy :)

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    Blogger Reply:

    Comon guys lets not get personal and totally away from the blog here – no wonder Naomi has not replied to one comment till date and I doubt she will now.

    I found the Kurta Pajamas in HT office LOL!!

    Naomi I know you wont reply to these comments but do try to answer some questions that were related to your blog raised here in your next blog.

    Regards

  • Mick

    Really i can’t understand what it is about these people who seem to think we had something to do with history I didn’t and really I think India got the best on offer at the time imagine the spanish or even the germans colonising your country. So keep your nasty coments to yourselves on this blog or better still F*** off and do it somewhere else, your probably a pakistani anyway, or better still you are an imature Hindu of the lowest imaginable caste who even the pie dogs wouldn’t eat if you where dead in a gutter in Mumbai

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  • http://lughole.net Saarthak

    Sad to see this blog post littered with some pretty idiotic comments, especially from the likes of Paritosh and Ashish. Utterly unnecessary and in bad taste.

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    Mick Reply:

    they’re little boys who have access to a PC and think it’s clever, can you imagine the howls rage that would be heard if I said stuff like that, and I might add that people like me fought to stop this sort of insult being level at the Indians who live here. they should get a life preferably somewhere else I hope Naomi sorts them once and for all. How on earth can a blog about fashion degenerate into this sort of nastiness

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Saarthak

    as long as the insults arent directed against you , its better you keep your damn mouth shut. please make yourself busy in licking some Gora Sahibs arse. thats the duty of pro-Western yuppie Indians like you.

    @Mick
    rather speaking of the maturity of those who speak against you please see the overall bull s-h-i-t that your nation’s youth really is.
    i always wanted to see how a typical pommy pig like yourself reacts when criticised.

    you should realize that your nation would have been a fuc-ked up piece of shit without the wealth that was looted from over here. get some info you fuc-kin Pommy arse fuc-ker.

    as for yourself , you seem to be a Christian pommy s-w-i-n-e born in a whorehouse.

    read some books your damn loser. the Spaniards and the Germans never colonized this nation.
    it was your s-h-i-t piece United Fuc-kin Kingdom that did so and commited numerous atrocities.

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    Mick Reply:

    What a sad little prick you are why the use of Australian terminology from what I’ve read they certainly know how to deal with nasty pieces of s*** like you there, why don’t you pick on the other people like the Persians or the Greeks or anyone else who helped themselves while you tossers just rolled over even then there were millions of you who could quite easily have destroyed us but you didn’t so I think you anger is directed at yourself and you countrymen. Arsehole read what I wrote and you will see that I said you got the best deal at the time cause had the spaniards or the Germans colonised India you would have all been dead.

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    Paritosh Reply:

    @ Mick

    shut the FUC-K UP pommy s-h-i-t piece b-a-s-t-a-r-d. the Australians are no different than you pommy pigs. as far as i am concerned , i am enough capable of kicking the b-l-o-o-d-y arse of a Kangaroo Aussie mother f-u-c-k-e-r. dont worry about that.

    Persians and the Greeks didnt do any harm to this nation but in turn contributed. my anger is actually surely directed towards the traitors and their modern version , the westernized Indians ,but also towards pommy pigs like yourself. the Spanish were surely more brutal , but you pommies also cannot be forgiven for your deeds. better shut your mouth you pommy arsehole

    Saarthak Reply:

    @Paritosh, my mouth usually remains shut while I’m typing, unless I’m yawning while doing that. In any case, last Sunday’s issue of BRUNCH had a cover story on people like you, i.e. “internet trolls.” I understand that you’re suffering from some sort of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Get well soon ;)

    @Micks, cheers bro

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  • Ananth

    As an Indian man, I think the most comfortable piece of attire is a lungi – as long as you don’t have a hard on..

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    Ananth Reply:

    hmm.. a lot going on here in the comments section.

    Coming back to the lungi, if you intend to wear it for extended periods I would suggest borrowing the crotch guard from your cricket kit bag… if you leave the barn door ajar, the horse might bolt!

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    Mick Reply:

    Hee Hee, I suppose that’s why lungi wearers are always fiddling with them. But yes very practical

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  • Mick

    Naomi where’s your big stick when you find it smack that geezer Paritosh over the head a few times please as I find this person offencive in the extreme and as he/she just started this with no reason other than his vindictive racist views I think he need excluding don’t you?

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    Paritosh Reply:

    i will better put that Naomi’s stick in your arse you w-a-n-k-e-r. i am no longer interested to visit here because my job has been done. fuc-k you forever you white b@st@*d. no point in replying because i aint gona visit next time. :)

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    Mick Reply:

    Why not creep or does it cost you to much to send from Pakistan eventually your views will come home to roost fortunately there are so few people like you there that i expect you will find your own people will deal with you as we deal with the racists here, i owe my life to an Indian surgeon and will be forever in his debt shame you are unable to be as useful to humanity as him, but hey it takes all sorts and for a hunchback leper I must say you have reasons to feel nasty about things. hope the begging goes well.

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  • Julia S

    It’s all very well to list off what you do and not like in a man but then one day you meet a guy with a curly moustache and a ponytail and he just knocks your socks off.

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    Mick Reply:

    Shame I’m bald and clean shaven then isn’t it

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  • Mick

    This stuff about V neck tee shirts or for that matter ordinary tee shirts they are practical but you need the right body to wear them. Not so in your face that it looks Gay (I say this in the way Naomi means it) and with something lose, a shirt/sweeter looks good. But that’s fashion which as everyone knows just keeps on changing. many years ago I lived in a big squat in Norwich and we had an Indian living there his name was Shantum Seth who a couple of years ago was the guardian of the cave that Buddha lived in near the source of the Ganges, he never wore western clothes during his time on our street or at the UEA, it wasn’t until I visited India about that time that I understood why. Without a doubt Indians look best in Indian clothes. Just think of the Europeans who try to wear Indian they look just as silly.

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    Blogger Reply:

    University of East Anglia (UEA) – oh that took me back in time.. I was there, loved the place. The not so busy roads, the lovely church, lovely small houses all along and the lovely university.

    Anyway, I think you should have the right built for any dress/attire to look good. I dont really think your race or colour means too much. For example the western suit looks good on guys with broad shoulders and lean built – Indian or British or American – each will look good.

    A dress which fits well to a toned curvy body of woman will look good irrespective of the fact is she is Indian or British and so on.

    Similarly, a well built guy – will carry off the Indian Kurta Pajama well – so will a properly done Foreign woman in a sari.

    I dont know if people notice but I find so similar faces in different nationalities – I always see and say wow that girl (non Indian) has such an ‘Indian’ face – so if she has long black hair and can carry off wearing the sari – I am sure if they took pictures you will never be able to say if she is Indian or not.

    Same goes with guys who look Indian or Indian guys who look like foreigners – closest will be Hritik – he looks Italian to me.. so if he wore western outfit or Indian he will look good cause he has the built to carry it off (though I hate his forearms – they are so thin!).

    Also I am glad there is an end to the insult mania! Forget it guys and lets enjoy the posts and comments – there is already hatred in this world, lets at least keep the virtual world free of this and make this a happy place to be – place where we not only have intellectual exchanges but also fun and laughter to forget certain things that are all around us.

    Keep safe and be blessed!

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    proj Reply:

    You think so, I am sorry no sooner you thought so some ******* has written something in the PRESTIGIOUS time magazine calling Indians “dotheads”

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1999416,00.html

    And specially for Mick and Naomi along with those yuppie Indian suckers who think whites are all GOOOOD and Paritoshes are all bad, need EXCLUDING, I copy and paste excerpts from the article.

    “Eventually, there were enough Indians in Edison to change the culture. At which point my townsfolk started calling the new Edisonians “dot heads.” One kid I knew in high school drove down an Indian-dense street yelling for its residents to “go home to India.” In retrospect, I question just how good our schools were if “dot heads” was the best racist insult we could come up with for a group of people whose gods have multiple arms and an elephant nose.”

    There you go, another white has done it again, now in the US after all the fiasco in Australia. I have seen this over and over and over again for almost a decade, need I be convinced ? They are INNUMERABLE hate blogs, websites in the US constantly pushing Indians to “go back home” and what not. Why can’t we do the same to a seriously gender biased journalist like Naomi Canton who is hell bent in pushing the western woman’s agenda constantly reminding men how they should change and destroying the Indian family cultural fabric or Mick Sankey for that matter, who are a part of a majorly racist society and instead of telling their fellow citizens to get their act right is telling us who needs excluding or including.

    The white society needs to seriously INTROSPECT before they start pointing fingers at others, which they are so good at or go on another PR drive getting some Indians yuppies to defend them.

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    proj Reply:

    I shiver at the thought of a dark skinned male writing a blog in the US telling white women to change their ways. The poor guy would not even last one extra day and would surely be deported from the country which prides itself on freedom, which includes freedom of speech. Lawrence Summers got kicked out of Harvard because he said that innate differences between men and women might be one reason fewer women succeed in science and math careers. After this, I really did not reminding that a majority of Anglo Saxon men are so oversexed and scared of sex deprivation that they better look at women differently, maybe one day start groveling at their feet in public.

    proj Reply:

    This isn’t just an issue that immigrants face — all people of color in the U.S. are saddled with this burden. Even President Obama was forced to put his birth certificate on display, proving once and for all that his ‘funny’ name and his blackness didn’t disqualify him from being American (or President, for that matter).

    So, is the depressing reality that minorities in America are still on the outside looking in? And what does this mean for immigrants of color and their children, who are American by birth?

    Unfortunately, even if you do follow Stein’s idea of assimilation — dressing American and Westernizing your name (say, from Piyush to Bobby, or Nirmrata to Nikki) — in today’s political climate, it doesn’t actually make you American enough to avoid being called a raghead.

    Excerpt from the following.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shiwani-srivastava/joel-steins-beef-with-ind_b_633988.html

    proj Reply:

    This is what i call balanced journalism, no wonder why some are restricted to page 3 sections only while some get to write editorials etc.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Unjoin-the-dots/H1-Article1-571898.aspx

    Ananth Reply:

    I totally agree. Can you imagine a scotsman in a lungi or an indian in a kilt?!

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    Mick Reply:

    I think i’ve seen Indians playing bagpipes

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  • Mick

    Well I would like to forget these insults but I feel i must add the following. My surname is Sankey and this is a fairly rare name in England I believe it to come from the Norse Sanki the name they gave to a river in what is now Cheshire. Anyway imagine my surprise to find one of the main road in Bangalore to be called Sankey Road perhaps some of my ancestors were there at some time and must have done something good to be remembered in this way. Anyone got any idea what they did or why it’s call this?

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  • Mick

    I’ve just got a book from the library called Maximum City. Bombay Lost and found. By Suketu Mehta, I think it’s going to be a good book, interestingly enough there’s a fact a few pages in. It’s this during the american civil war we the english couldn’t buy our cotton from them so between 1861-1865 we brough from India thro’ Bombay some much that Bombay earned an extra £81,000,000 that was a lot of money it is now let alone 150yrs ago. how does this FACT fit with the idiot who wants his money back?

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    Blogger Reply:

    Mick I think its time to end this – the world is full of injustice so why blame each other – we all even today fail to learn and continue to make mistakes – I think you and I should start and start forgiving.. you need to forgive the guy.. the guy needs to forgive you.. Naomi needs to forgive us all cause even if she is reading this she is rightly not responding lest everyone starts targeting her!

    So cheers my friend and get on with what you do best – add vibrant comments that are a treat to read.

    Regards

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  • M.B

    Good one…though came across it very late….
    Was about to book an appointment with a Gap personal stylist at oxford street branch…But not anymore…Dint know they have one at Hindustan times….
    Your blog is always a good read….M

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  • Chandrika Mukunda

    I think this is extremely one-sided. Probably you are only looking at corporates. Havent you seen Bollywood parties? The hottest Bollywood leading ladies such as Vidya Balan, Rani, Madhuri, Sonam, Sridevi and the ultimate Diva Rekha are always spotted in sarees. Arent they Mumbai-people? Haven’t you heard of Sabyasachi, Masaba, Manish Malhotra sarees which every Indian girl (or many of them in metros) dream of draping? And I also do not agree that Indians are always copying the West. Please!!!! I know there are many, many who do, but there are also many who don’t ape at all. There are plenty of people in India who have sense and education and understand that only wannabes ape and revel in their ethnicity and culture!

    Also it isn’t true that sari or Punjabi suit is the most comfortable attire in hot and humid weather. I am a woman myself (I adore my Sabyasachis and Masabas); there is no attire I love more than saree, followed by lehengas, half sarees and salwar kameezes. Yet, owing to hot climate, I often change to a loose flowing gown or a short dress or shorts.

    Then the headline, “what should Mumbaikars wear”… and you are giving your personal favorite as if you are the editor of a fashion magazine that Mumbaikars are dying to read and follow. Please… they have enough sense and have AMAZING WONDERFUL websites and magazines that will give them terrific information. I must say this post is so unfashion-savvy!
    I wont be coming back to this web page again – I accidently stumbled across this post. So huge hugs to anyone and everyone who disagrees with me:) Nevertheless, the emperor is still naked!

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  • DaniFashions.com

    Wonderful This is good comparison between the India vs western fashion wears. According to me India fashion is the best.

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  • abhi

    NOT STRANGELY, THEIR ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATIONS ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT – WITH MODI COMING OUT AS A STELLAR NO-NON SENSE IMPLEMENTER

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  • kanishka

    There are many stark differences in ideologies and styles as well, for instance, Modi has zero tolerance for corruption and demonstrated decisive leadership. That means under Modi, development is expanded wider horizontally with same amount of funds allocated(67% money reaches project compared to 33% in case of MMS) and vertically with quicker and faster development.

    Additionally, MMS believes in giving a fish a day to poor to keep them poor and dependant on goverment handouts for lazy and unproductive vote bank politics;Modi on the other hand believes in teaching a man how to fish to make him selfsufficient, hardworking and grow to his full potential to contribute in the uplift of his family, society and nation.

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    kanishka Reply:

    Another stark difference is not having two+ centers of power for an elected head of the state who has taken the oath of office and one Super PM without any accountability and press conferences/interviews.

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  • http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/toireporter/author-Mohammad-Azeemullah.cms Mohammad Azeemullah

    Then Hail UPA in 2014!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/lightpandey Prakash Pandey

    There really, is no differential between policies of the two. And that is primarily because both seem to be puppets of the same corporates that increasingly control this nation. Its big money all over.

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    Ashok Reply:

    There is bog difference between the two while Manmohan is puppet of corrupt Sonia piling money in her Swiss Bank account, Modi has zero tolerance for corruption and that makes the story different.

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  • Anonymous

    seriously! modi is mms of the 1990’s

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  • kanishka

    Below are two contrasts between Gujarat Model of Modi and Khangrace Model of MMS:

    1. In April 2013, Surat in Gujarat was judged India’s best city. The parameters for this included, according to a report in The Times of India, “mobility, water
    supply network, cleanliness, public amenities, pollution control, greenery,
    safety and easy processes of getting work done at the corporation.”

    2. Delhi is declared most unsafe city for women and known as R@pe capital in the world for the last 3 years. The child malnourishment has reached at an alarming high level of 52% according to the CAG report tabled on March 2013. The CM of WB was assulated in day light last week right in front of Planning commission building.

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  • David

    Its a misleading news, how can one compare Modi with leader of corrupt, scandlous, Scamster, corrupt, Looter, Traitor govt.

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  • KANISHKA

    MODI – NAA MEIN KHATAA HOON NAA KHANE DOONGA

    MMS – LOOTO KHAO BACHE TAU SWISS BANK BHARAO

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  • Poor Indian

    Notice the new trend of Paid news – Since Rahul baba is shit scared of fighting against Modi -Papu now wants to rule using Shameless MMS as dummy with no accountability as that that way he can protect his Billions of loot and now HT is paid to start a new spin to compare Modi with MMS and suggest both are same.

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  • 9Para

    This is not a surprising conclusion. Regardless of the political party that is in power, certain factors like the bureaucracy, and the corporations that actually run the country remains essentially unaffected. Since it is in their (and the politicos) best interest to ensure maximum profitable exploitation of resources, questions like ethics, inclusive growth, and societal growth don’t really come into the picture, except as superficial hogwash designed to dupe the voting masses come election time. This fact is one of the core, unavoidable problems with Indian democracy as it now stands. No one is power is interested in changing a repressive and exploitative status quo because it goes against their own beneficial interest. Communalism, vote-bank politics, issues of caste, etc. are all incorporated into political discourse to disguise this essential fact that everyone in power wants their share of the enormous pie that is India and its natural, economic, and man-power resources. The relationship between India’s people and its governing classes needs to be reoriented fundamentally. A system reset, if you will.

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  • GK

    That is … if you assume… Manmohan has a model :)

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  • KANISHKA

    @Author, ” Modi had suggested in Kolkata earlier this week that Bihar should take leaf from Gujarat’s development.”

    Did you miss the rest of MODI speech where he explained that models differ from one DISTRICT to next and MODIFICATION (not NAMO-fication) would be required for Gujarat Model of develop to meet the local conditions?

    Is Bihar from other planet? 33% share of each agriculture, Industry and Service has maximum flexibility to sustain natural calamities such as draughts becasue the state has already developed its own revenue based on indusrty and service sector. Gujarat has its own tax and non-tax revenue around Re 66,000 Crores which are three times larger than Bihar thus Gujarat does not have to go on begging spree every now and then. Priorities can be changed depending on situation as long you have enough funds of your own and share from center. Besides, industrian states contribute huge sums to the central kitty which agriculture base states don’t. The ganga belt (UP, BIHAR AND WB) is and will remain a drag on the growth rate of India unless India adopts “TWO-CHILDREN FAMILY” policy fo reduce the rate of population growth. UP, BIHAR and WB combined are around 400 million and growth cannot match to feed new mouths every year.

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  • Chaddi Utaro Abhiyan

    And we would expect our next PM Mr Narendra Modi to not run away from
    Interviews when faced with hostile questioning as it happened in the
    past. Chaddis supporting him say that the matter is sub-judice and hence
    any ’sane’ Chief Minister would refrain from speaking about it. For
    these Chaddis, a basic refresher course in English language is being
    provided – FREE of cost!!!

    And here goes the brilliant interview where Mr. Modi shows his oratory and management skills :
    http(colon)//www(dot)youtube(dot)com/watch?v=TP1QFcvIg9c .

    I hope he is more prepared the next time, once he assumes office and
    hopefully gets a visa to the US. If the New York times turns hostile,
    please ask him to keep calm and bazinga!!

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    Pappu_FAIL_ho_Gaya1 Reply:

    i THINK YOU ARE A NAUKER paid by the Pappu relief Fund sponsored by Congress loot money. Please go clean diapers of your failed Pappu rather than give these puerile comments being paid at 25 paisa a comment by Congress

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  • http://www.facebook.com/kantilal.desai.7 Kantilal Desai

    To expect present government to implement Justice Verma’s report to be enforced is like living in fools paradise. Only people of India can do it, vote out all the goons, elect new office bearers. Question will be to whom to trust? Do we have to wait another 60 years for right team? Come one young voters, change the scenario at next 2014 election. Find one only powerful man to do the job and let him put his team.

    RIP Justice Verma, you will be remembered, telling the Delhi rulers on how to clean up and stop parliament being taken over by criminals and corrupts.

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