Southern discomfort

Hey
Awesome Articles!
This is a request by me on behalf of all Tokio Hotel Fans from India,
Can you please write a column on Tokio Hotel?Their new album ‘Humanoid’ has just released in India and has also been reviewed by Luke Kenny.
It’s really a different album,mixing rock with pop and electronic.And just 3 days ago they won the European Music Award for ‘Best Group’!
Thanks

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Hey Sunjoy
Lynyrd Skynyrd is an amazing band and one of major Southern Rock acts.They recently released their latest album “God & Guns”.But as you aptly stated, they were way better lyrically as well as in terms of quality of music with Ronnie Van Zant. After Ronnie they haven’t really got their act together.
Well IMAO , Tokio Hotel is more of a lame punk-pop bunch who write and sing shallow lyrical content,which can be appealing only to a few teenage girls.

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Talking about hotels, I just came across Neutral Milk Hotel. A pretty short lived band(94-99), but amazing still.
Check out their Everything Is EP. And, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea. The latter was pretty critically acclaimed.
And, I’d love to see a post on Funk/Psychedelic.

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@Shiva_17 I’m sorry but i dont agree with that.
You must have mixed up Tokio Hotel with the Jonas Brothers,Miley Cyrus and the like.If they were that LAME with SHALLOW LYRICS,they wouldn’t have won at the EMA’s and VMA’s for the past 3 years consecutively would they?nor would their album go Platinum in Greece within 4 days?
And the fanbase isn’t restricted to a few teenage girls.There ARE several other fans of all age groups,including my parents who are into their new album ‘Humanoid’.
Sadly nowdays,people try to find the ‘next’ Beatles/ACDC/MJ in every new artist around which causes them to respond in a rather shallow manner.

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Hahahahahhaa. Ishita K, no offence, but you’re really naive. Beatles aren’t even that much of a rock band. Except for Sgt. Peppers[Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds ], they were pretty much a boi band with a female teenager fan following.
And, I concur with Shiva, Tokio Hotel are definietly a pop-screamo-goth-emo act. I won’t go far as to say they suck. But … Ah, to hell with it – They do suck. :/
And collaboration with Korn is pretty much the same shit. Korn is nu-metal fercrissake. Call me a f***ed up purist, but nu-metal is almost as bad as BFMV.
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Tokio Hotel.. I am not much of a hater and I respect other people’s choice/taste of music but Tokio Hotel is one dumb soundin band for sure.. Sorry if it hurts anyone..
@sujoy Great articles. Have been silently going through them for a while now
I am sure as soon as Radiohead get back to studio this winter after thom’s solo /unnamed band madness, you will be up with the weapon and pen down some stuff on them.
Keep’em coming

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This is a good blog. Sanjoy’s writing is crisp and he’s good at choosing the subjects of his articles. I particularly like the video links that he posts. The article on Nick Drake motivated me to go back to practicing my guitar after a long break due to my restrictive work schedule. Thanks Sanjoy!

Some of the reader comments baffle me though. People branding songs as ‘musical blunder’, throwing names of bands and talking as if they are pundits … guys, be a little less pretentious please! The kind of music you listen and like does not define the boundaries of music. Respect other people’s choice!

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I quite liked your blog!

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Wow,nice to see the plenty of respect given to other bands/people’s music tastes here.
You cant expect EVERYONE to listen to the music only YOU PEOPLE listen to.
I love Tokio Hotel’s music,and that’s my opinion.No one’s going to change that.
You people seriously have no sense of respect for other’s choice in music.
@Sarthak Did I ask for your goddamn opinion?
“Hahahahahhaa. Ishita K, no offence, but you’re really naive”"But … Ah, to hell with it – They do suck. :/”
Do you even know me? Naive?

@Fidel haha thats your opinion..”but Tokio Hotel is one dumb soundin band for sure.. Sorry if it hurts anyone..”.Curious, but what exactly do you mean by ‘dumb soundin’? =)

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you like TH .. good enuff.. I dont like it dats my opinion.. now dont go gaga over it..

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ok sorry….the negative comments are just pissing me off.

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Can’t help but smile at that battle that just went on and on….

Smiling only because when I was a little younger, we would have similar arguments. While the internet was around, it was still early days. So these arguments would take place with friends or random people in college canteens or concert venues…A favorite at that point was…”Who is better? Slash or Satriani…”

Anyway point is today I absolutely love some of the bands that I started out arguing against (Not going to name them here… ) Has led me to firmly believe that there is space for everyone…

We can only vehemently back what we are passionate about. So the battles are also worth it

Enough said. Just had to share that nostalgia

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dont trust but do what is right.keep urslf ready for worst while pray for best.we should be militarily very strong.those who attacked libya and killed him were his closest friend.he helped nearly all european countries in their time of need.spent 1 billion are in the process of getting 300billion projects at very high rate.u cannot trust countries which are run by parasites.

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All the sane minds in India and Pakistan will happily welcome the growing goodwill which is very important for peace between the two countries. The existing fragile atmosphere of goodwill will prove to be a temporary phase if the two countries fail to resolve their age old disputes and remove the irritants within a reasonable span of time.

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Yes, I do realise that repproachment is in our interest too.

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If the main reason why the status of MFN matters, is to encourage trade, then it will be interesting to know what commodities will be traded and in which direction will they flow:

What will India sell to Pakistan.

What will India buy from Pakistan.

Is it possible that in time this trade will create such economic opportunities, which the Islamic leadership of Pakistan has spectacularly failed to provide. The disadvantages thus created have persisted for a long time.

Will this trade steer the next generation of Pakistani’s to embrace the dog-eat-dog ethic of capitalism instead of embracing an alien form of Islam just to satisfy their need to self actualise.

MMS’s patience with Pakistan was the right strategy, in the face of intense provocation, caused by firebrand Islamists in Pakistan, he kept his nerve and has now secured an economic treaty which is more likely to deliver peace in our life-time than any retaliatory knee-jerk violent response to terrorism would have.

Contrast this with Modi who is going around telling the Chinese that Gujarat is different from the rest of India, hoping to gain advantage for his state at the cost of the rest of India. With friends like him, India does not need enemies.

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we are keeping hundreds of pakistanis in jail from 40 years without trial.this is also terrorism.
all problems should be solved through talks.

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Any discussion on India – Pakistan or Hindu-Muslims is an oppurtunity for some
people to bring in Modi and bash him. As far as I know that Modi had gone to
China to promote Gujarat to bring investment in Gujarat as he is the chief minister
of Gujarat and not a PM of India. And as far has his claiming of Gujarat bieng different
from India than Gujarat was and is different from India. Similarly Mahrashtra, Bengal,
Assam and all other states are different. Yes, all the states toghether are part of
India but all are unique in their own way.

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Manohar,

I saw your post today about hindi music as I normally dont visit this blog
on Thursday evenings and Fridays. Would love to talk about that some other
time .

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Those who blindly thought Anna’s team was invincible and supported it, here is a something to chew about.

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Inflated travel bills issue: Kiran Bedi hits back at Kejriwal

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NewDelhi/Inflated-travel-bills-issue-Kiran-Bedi-hits-back-at-Kejriwal/Article1-768086.aspx

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This foolish peace initiative is based on the premise that the recalcitrant state of Pakistan has changed.

It has not !!

It has REMOVED the ban on JuD. So MMS and Sonia wasnt us to forgive JuD and LeT in the same manner Engrich would want us to…

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The slum is in the mind of Engrich and his clones…

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Having a MFN relationship may be better than not having one; I agree with Vinod about the need for caution, verification, waiting etc.

Kerala jail authorities have just handed over to CBI a large number of cell phones confiscated from the Muslim terrorist inmates. All these had records of calling Pakistani and Somali telephone numbers (altogether 3000 calls plus) (Now that our banana republic will allow prisoners jailed for terrorism cases to have cell phones, that they can make calls; that too to terrorist countries etc is beyond me!)

Any treaty with Pakistan is not worth the paper it is written on. Mainly because there is not a country with institutions and rules of law, and partly due to the brain-washing done on the population since Zia Haq days about the evil India, “Hindu” bomb, etc..

Pakistan is an unstable and violent country hosting the epicenter of terrorism and global jihadism; it has been the foremost supplier of of nuclear technology to rogue states. Harkat Mujahaideen, LeT etc operate freely near the fissile centres.

So, what does a treaty with a country whose central govt is of limited competence and capability, neither its ‘competent” army can control some of its territories, a country that cannot even maintain order in a city, Karachi, in the heart of its country, a country whose military and security services are infiltrated by an unknown number of Jihadis and Jihadi sympathisers, a country where many Jihadi organizations are hadquartered and operate freely.

Pakistani officials claim the nuclear weapons are “de-mated”, that the warheads are kept separate from the delivery system. They continue to maintain that the the nuclear weapon system is “completely secure”. In fact, a senior officer, Gen Khalid Kidwai, who is in charge of SPD (the unit responsible for nuclear security) recently stated “it is in our interest to keep our bases safe as well. You must trust us that we have maximum and impenetrable security. No one with ill intent can get our strategic assets” – like many other statements made by Pakistani leaders, this also contained large elements of deceit A least 6 facilities have already been targeted by militants. In November 2007, a suicide bomber attacked Sardogha airbase that is believed to house nukes; a month later, Kamra base , another storage site was attacked, in Aug 2008 a suicide bomber attacked Pakistan’s main nuke assembly plant in Wah. Kahuta Labs was attacked in 2009; and as recently as in May of this year, Mehran base, that stores nuclear components, was attacked for three days. It is only a question of time when jihadists will get hold of the necessary stuff for “suit case” dirty bombs that will be deployed against India, US, and may be even on Pakistan!

The LeT leaders live openly in Pakistan. They maintain a 200 acre compound just outside Lahore, and have offices in many cities. The ISI connection with LeT has been proven with Mumbai attacks, Hedley revealings, Faizal Shahzad Time square incident etc. ISI connections to terrorist bombings were evident in the Kabul bombings; the final straw that broke the US-Pakistan “understanding”.

May be trade will foster better understanding and relationship. But the very existence of the most prominent institution – Army/ISI- is foundationally and fundamentally based on its anti-India propaganda and actions. Generals are used to keeping all the money for themselves- international aid, US aid, and the country’s meager revenues. They will not let this be disrupted, they will not let its people to have a “better” understanding or a different narartive.

Zia Haq has sown the seeds of destruction of that country – it will return to its “purity” after everyone finishes off everybody else — Now Imran Khan also has joined this chorus!
(let me end this with a joke on Imran Khan – He requested his (ex) father-in-law, Goldsmith (??), “will you give your daughter’s hands to me?”; the father-in-law’s immediate response was “what crime did she commit’).

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” It must not trust its interlocutor without adequate verification.” – ?

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vijay kumar and mohanr,

The percentage of Ahmedabad housing categorized as slums increased from 17.2 per cent in 1961 to 22.8 per cent in 1971 and 25.6 per cent in 1991. It is estimated that 17.1 per cent of Ahmedabad’s population lived in slums in 1971. This rose to an estimated 21.4 per cent in 1982. The last estimate, based on a population census for the year 1991, nevertheless indicates that 40 per cent of households lived in slums and chawls.

GUJRAT IS REALLY DIFFERENT.

Muslims, SCs (scheduled casts) and OBCs (other backward casts) constitute 91 per cent of the slum households, and more than 95 per cent of slum dwellers are migrants, indicating how rural poverty levels are now spilling over into urban areas. Often fleeing rural inter-cast exploitation and debts, slum populations require their children to contribute to the household income. Victimized by the police, municipal authorities and the upper classes alike, this group represents a particularly vulnerable section of society.

MODI,

ZHOOT KEE TAHNI KABHI PHALTI NAHIN.

NAV KAQAZ KEE KABHEE CHALTEE NAHIN.

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vijay kumar and mohanr,

The percentage of Ahmedabad housing categorized as slums increased from 17.2 per cent in 1961 to 22.8 per cent in 1971 and 25.6 per cent in 1991. It is estimated that 17.1 per cent of Ahmedabad’s population lived in slums in 1971. This rose to an estimated 21.4 per cent in 1982. The last estimate, based on a population census for the year 1991, nevertheless indicates that 40 per cent of households lived in slums and chawls.

GUJRAT IS REALLY DIFFERENT.

Muslims, SCs (scheduled casts) and OBCs (other backward casts) constitute 91 per cent of the slum households, and more than 95 per cent of slum dwellers are migrants, indicating how rural poverty levels are now spilling over into urban areas. Often fleeing rural inter-cast exploitation and debts, slum populations require their children to contribute to the household income. Victimized by the police, municipal authorities and the upper classes alike, this group represents a particularly vulnerable section of society.

MODI,

ZHOOT KEE TAHNI KABHI PHALTI NAHIN.

NAV KAQAZ KEE KABHEE CHALTEE NAHIN.

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Looking forward to your predictable Hindu Fundo vomit

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.gopi 40%of ahmadabad consists of slums though he is cm of gujrat from 10 years.he brought tata because because he and rss had good cut.china deal if goes well bring more gold.slums will increase so the poors.record of mayawati is far better than him.but she is daugter of dalit.do you agree with ne or not

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Vijay Mallya’s woes.

You must have read that Vayalar Ravi has apparently been going out of his way to help-out Mallya’s Kingfisher Airlines. He plans to meet the Prime Minister apparently after Pranab Mukherjee said no.

Zaroor daal mein kuchh kaalaa hai!

Is it or no?

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BJP no different from the Congress
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Top Lokayukta cop shifted to sabotage probe against BSY: Santosh Hegde

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Top-Lokayukta-cop-shifted-to-sabotage-probe-against-BS-Yeddyurappa-Santosh-Hegde/articleshow/10704781.cms

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Vinodji,

Please permit me to make a few comments on the subject matter:

The MFN announcement, made in total lack of grace and utter confusion, has come rather late. The world is now ready to declare

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If we make peace with Pakistan and foster business ties, we have nothing to lose and much to gain. It is Pakistan which is fearful and insecure vis-a-vis India. Terror attacks as just that – terror attacks. India have given fitting replies to the same inside Pakistan by having a number of big bangs and kiling hundreds of them over there. Moreover, the USA has to hit Iran – and the USA wants to make sure that India and Pakistan keep their peace while the US is busy in Iran.

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‘Sonia won’t be re-elected if she doesn’t support (Jan) Lokpal’

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Sonia-won-t-be-re-elected-if-she-doesn-t-support-Lokpal/Article1-768307.aspx

First they conduct a poll themselves – do not hire an independent agency to do so and then they “reach” conclusions, which suits them. No details about how the poll was conducted. They did the same earlier in Chandni Chowk constituency.

Desperate attempts to stay relevant and drum up support for their flawed Jan Lokpal bill.

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I think business is always a good thing to balance relation. More trade with pakistan will give India some influence in affecting Pakistan’s policy in relation to India and neighbors. My only worry is that common pakistanis fund Jihadi orgs. fighting in kashmir generously (collection boxes are all over pakistan)..We may fund such common pakistani thru trade and it can spell disaster for us.

By the way MFN is not a big deal at all. Pl. read this column and you will know MFN is a glorified acronym meaning nothing more than ‘Normal trade relations’.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/11/07/what-the-mfn-means.html

What the MFN means

MAKING a momentous decision, the government honoured an international treaty obligation it made 64 years ago, by officially announcing that it would accord India the awkwardly phrased Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status.

Few in Pakistan are aware that both India and Pakistan were among the 23 countries that were the original signatories to the
General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs in 1947 (GATT), which enshrined the trade-liberalising MFN principle.

In fact, recognising that the two countries had previously constituted the same economic unit, the original GATT included an exceptional clause permitting the two newly independent countries to enter into “special arrangements with respect to trade” between each other. History, of course, had other plans.

Now that the original framers of GATT have finally been heard, we must assess what this necessary shift in trade policy means for Pakistan. First, according India the MFN does not mean that India is being given any unique or ‘favoured’ status.

It merely means that any concessions and tariff reductions that are given to other member countries of the World Trade Organisation (WTO) will also be granted to India. Thus, Pakistan is granting the same market access to India which it provides to most countries in the world.

For that very reason, the Pakistan Business Council (PBC), which represents the 35 largest companies in the country, has been urging Islamabad to liberalise trade with India.

Local industrialists feel that since they have had to compete with the MFN-granted products from all other WTO members, they can compete favourably with Indian products. The PBC estimates that increased trade with India would improve Pakistan’s GDP growth rate by one to two per cent.

Given India’s proximity to Pakistan, the lower transportation costs would mean that certain competitive Indian goods will gain access to our market. However, such cost-savings are contingent upon the improvement of road and border infrastructure to facilitate trade, including highways and loading zones for products, as well as freight trains.

But at the same time, cheaper Indian goods will mean cheaper inputs for goods manufactured or assembled here, which would help make our exports of finished goods more competitive. Pakistani consumers, of course, will be the biggest beneficiaries with more competitively priced Indian goods.

Second, take a look at India and Pakistan’s MFN profile: according to the latest WTO statistics, India’s average MFN rate is at 13 per cent, while Pakistan’s is at 13.9 per cent. This means that on average, India applies a 13 per cent baseline duty on imported goods, while Pakistan’s is almost as liberal.

However, India’s average MFN rate for agricultural imports is much higher, at 32 per cent. Pakistan, which has a strong agricultural sector and would benefit from increased market access of its agri-goods to India, applies a much more liberal average MFN rate for agricultural products of 17 per cent.

Given this large discrepancy, the Pakistan government should seek to reduce India’s protectionist agri-import policy, in order to reap the benefits of more ‘free’ trade, in the ensuing negotiations.

Indian media reports claim that in return for receiving MFN from Islamabad, New Delhi has pledged to grant preferential, even zero-duty access, on certain textile goods, similar to the access they grant to Bangladeshi goods. Our Ministry of Commerce (MoC) negotiators would be wise to include agricultural goods in that list.

Third, granting MFN does not mean that Pakistan is obliged to open the floodgates for all inexpensive Indian goods. The MoC is currently undertaking the exercise of including goods from those industries that would unduly suffer in a ‘negative’ or ‘sensitive’ list of products which are exempted from the MFN obligation, and would be barred from importation.

Fourth, India is renowned for numerous non-tariff barriers (NTBs), such as Byzantine licensing requirements, which serve protectionist purposes, and have helped keep Pakistani exports into India unfortunately low.

There is pressure from many countries on India to reform its arduous bureaucratic procedures, and Pakistan must now join this group.

Fifth, the capacity of our MoC must be bolstered to help negotiate the elimination of Indian non-tariff barriers and gain the maximum possible market access concessions on an ongoing basis. Sixth, and very significantly, the capacity of the National Tariff Commission needs to be augmented, as this is the organisation which administers Pakistan’s trade defence laws,
including anti-dumping duties, countervailing measures for unfair subsidies, and safeguards against surges in imported goods which threaten to cause serious injury to any domestic industry.

Last, in order to reap the true benefits of granting each other MFN status, Pakistan and India must resuscitate the South Asian Free Trade Agreement (Safta), which has legally been in force since 2006.

Now that the critical stumbling block from Safta achieving its potential has been removed, improving regional trade is a prize that should be in sight.

An emerging and strong Safta would send a very positive signal to the world that South Asia is committing to get its act together and will, as a trading bloc, be a force to reckon with in the world economy.
The writer is an associate professor of law and policy at LUMS and teaches international trade law.

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I think Anna & his team are overestimating themselves and the issue of corruption. Most of the Indians think that corruption is part of the system and is an easy way to get things done. This anti-corruption movement only has traction among middle class urban and semi-urban Indians.

The people will re-elect Sonia and Rahul again and again even if it is proved that both are neck deep in corruption. The corruption has never been an electoral issue in this country after VP Singh failed Indians who believed in him.

Lastly Indians after living under 1000 years of foreign rule have accepted superiority of white skin. This is the reason Indians know very little about decendents of real Gandhi (MK Gandhi) or Sardar Patel but are in eternal love with white skinned Nehru-Gandhis.

As far as Jan Lokpal is concerned, I don’t see it getting passed in current form. Anna & team will have to compromise and give all the credit to Rahul. Same thing happened in 2003 with RTI. The congress was against RTI act but after being under pressure from Anna and like minded activists, it relented but all the credit was given to NAC supremo Sonia. The history will repeat again and this time Rahul will steal all the glory (just before UP elections).

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The slum of Dharavi populated mostly by illegal Bangladeshis and their Indian brothers is approx. 1.5 million.

Almost 55% of Mumbai lives in slums.

These are some facts that one must know. In fact most of India’s million plus cities have substantial slum population living on encroached land belong to govt.

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Vijay Mallya – the truth behind his wounds – all self inflicted.

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The rise and fall of a castle in the air

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2622215.ece?homepage=true

An excerpt

These loans for Kingfisher have also come at an enormous cost for the UB group. More than nine out of 10 shares of its crown jewel, United Spirits have been pledged as collateral to the banks.

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Manohar,
What are your views on Congress’s attempt to polarize muslim votes in its favor? It has been holding muslim only seminars in various towns in UP and also selling reservation for muslims. Don’t you think it is mirror image of RSS? The only difference is that it is doing politics of minorities as RSS/BJP do politics of majority.

In 2009 election, almost 30% of congress votes came from muslims and now it is trying to increase this by indulging in communal politics just like RSS.

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Appeasing in full swing as elections are around the corner.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/OBC-quota-pool-likely-to-get-bigger/articleshow/10709612.cms

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“When Rajasthan Chief Minister Ashok Gehlot was appointed to the post, his detractors in the state grumbled that Gehlot, who belongs to the magician community, has used some potent magic by which his potential rivals had lost their assembly seats. Gehlot now needs all the magic at his command to stay on in power since the party high command is breathing down his neck. Gehlot has visited Delhi almost a dozen times in the last month. In view of the two major scandals in the state, Gehlot has been asked to rectify his government’s image before the month-end. After a recent visit to Delhi, Gehlot rushed to Jodhpur to call on an astrologer, who doubles as a tantrik, for advice on how to sort out his problems. In Jaipur, the CM has another astrologer as a standby.”

INDIAN EXPRESS, 13-11-11

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Here is a very catchy, realistic slogan coined by a congressman:

:MATA BIMAR, SARKAR LACHAR
RAHULJI, KARO NETRATVA SWEEKAR”

Red faces in Cong over writing on the wall.

Amidst the preparations for Rahul Gandhi’s rally at Phulpur on November 14, a hoarding urging Rahul to take over the party’s leadership in view of Sonia Gandhi’s illness and drift in the government left the party red-faced on Saturday.

“Mata bimaar, mantrimandal lachaar, Rahulji, netritva karo sweekar (Mother ill, Cabinet helpless, Rahul, accept leadership role),” said the hoarding put up by Abhay Awasthi, alias Baba Awasthi, a Congressman and former state president of the Kisan Congress.

The party distanced itself from the act. By late afternoon, the poster was removed. Awasthi said he removed it after state party chief Rita Bahuguna Joshi called him up and told him that the poster was getting controversial.

“Seedhi baat… baki sab bakwaas (straight talk… all the rest is nonsense),” said the poster, which urged people to attend Rahul’s rally.-

INDIAN EXPRESS-13-11-11.

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BREAKING NEWS !! ~~ LeT Troll RA-V1 = Ravi ne phir phudakana shuru karr diya !
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As I am busy, LeT trolls Ravi = RA-V1 and his ideological master Engrich, seem to be too happy to take advantage of the situation. Both are fudukana fudukana at this site.

Soething similar happens at our national level, when terroists and Jaish/LeT slip in when our guard is down.

Shenoy, Gopi and Rajeev, I think you should stamp these croaking toads who are in phudakana mode, just that bit, even though I know you hold these toads in zero esteem !!

Manohar, I am surprised you have fallen for the Closet LeT line.

Our policy should be to go for the kill. When the whole world is baying for Pakistan, let us ram home on to the advantage to split it, rather than give it a lifeline.

Remember Prithvi Raj chauhan was Magnaminous and let his begging opponent go many a time…

But, the opponent came with a bigger back stabbing knife each time…

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Every sports lover in this country knows that India lost many a cricket and hockey match, which they should have won. All because we let go of the opponent even when we hade him cornered, down and out.

In other words we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

And this what is happening at our national level.

Just when Pakistan, the perpetuator of world terror is down. In tatters-financially, bankrupt morally and hated world over physically, we suddenly have developed a kind heart and want to bail it out.

The PM even called Gilani a “man of peace ”

Wah WAH !! Wah !!

Peace my foot. His half brother Doaud Gilani was the mastermind of 26/11. And Gilani himself has only distinguished himself by lunging for Sherry Rehman’s breasts (in Hindi it is called Mamma pootna) we have ended up falling for his line, That teror affectws both the countries equally…

What a Loss of rhetoric built up after 26/11.

The correcct way would be to go for the kill, ensure Paksitan is split up and its terror network dried up becasue fo global sanctions.

But we, instead are opening up more trade channels with it.

yes, we are out to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…

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Vote Bank Politics

It is fashionable – even among educated blogers here – to blame Congress for creating, nurturing and exploiting Muslim Vote Bank. This is often presented as a contrast to non-vote bank politics of the BJP.

Only the very gullible accept this hypothesis. They are fairly well known here in this blog.

The reality is that Congress tactics started only as a retaliation to the launching, in 1959, of the Jan Sangh, whose avowed aim was to create, and consolidate a Hindu Vote Bank – under the banner of Nationalism. All subsequent incarnations of the Jan Sangh have continued with this objective. So far the best they have been able to achieve is 29% of the votes. Analysts have suggested that 70% of Hindus have never voted for RSS backed political parties.

So Majority Hindu appeasing is called Nationalism and Minority Muslim appeasement is labelled as Communalism. Reality is that both labels can be applied to either of the electoral tactics. Congress is no less Nationalistic than the BJP, and BJP is nothing if it is not a Communal Vote Bank exploiting Religion Focused Political Party.

Mr Modi in Gujarat realises the limit of his tactics of consolidating the Hindu Vote Bank, he is making overtures aimed at making a dent in the Muslim Vote Bank. Previously attacked Muslim institutions, such as Shibli College are now being publicly praised.

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Prahalad_k wrote

“Manohar Sir,

I do not understand how team anna manages to do this !
Mr Kejriwal always say that Jan Lokpal Bill is very complicated to understand. Then how do they do referendum on the effectiveness, issues of two Lokpal Bills amongst general public !!!”

What is there to say.

No details of the actual conduct are made known.
1) Sample size 2) Demography of the sample 3) Methodology 4) Whether the finer nuances of their bill were explained to the people – the fact is that the bill is constitutionally flawed and whether the people understood it and its consequence. 4) They conduct the poll themselves and declare its findings as some sort of ‘gospel truth’.

This poll business is a fraud, if you ask me.

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Pakistan has not yet granted India MFN status period , even though India granted it 15 years ago.
In last 15 years, I have heard numerous times that Pakistan says it ‘will’ grant India MFN status in future. If anything , Pakistan needs to be condemned as a venal duplicitous state for not carrying out its commitments under WTO rules and even today Pakistan has not granted India MFN trade status and is looking for more ‘concessions’ ( India allowing EU to prefer Pakistan textile exporters over Indian exporters ) which the spineless Indian state has agreed to grant in exchange of nothing.

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Prahlad,

One lakh was the sample in each of the constituencies.
The ‘methodology’ was the same as in any other opinion poll.
The same was adopted in Chandni Chowk and then too you sniggered and sneered, but Kapil Sibal was sufficiently convinced and was mighty rattled to pass the same kind of sniggering comments that you have now made.

If you believe that only opinion polls conducted by NDTV, and CNN-IBN are genuine and all others are fake, you have the choice to think so.

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People with clean image to be inducted in team: Anna Hazare

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/People-with-clean-image-to-be-inducted-in-team-Anna-Hazare/articleshow/10715492.cms

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What happened the first time around? Couldn’t find people with clean image?

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I thought congress was a secular party not comparable to BJP. Am I right? This is what you have been selling for Congress.

Now your statement-
“2) Congress – Muslims, but not at the cost of others (you may or may not agree), unlike the RSS/BJP which has Hindus as their sole target – others be damned, never mind what they say in public like every other party pretends. ”

It is a lie. The congress appeases muslims, divides hindus to gain votes, favors christians and dangles sops for Dalit. The Congress builds its votebank on dividing people on every fault line..like Religion (Muslim appeasement, reservation), Caste (reservation), regionalism (using pawns like Raj Thackray and Sanjay Nirupam), gender (using IPC 498a and DV), language (Maharashtra), Corruption (corrupt vs. non-corrupt)…

All this vote bank in all its form has been perfected by Congress. Others are merely imitating it.

You have sympathy for Congress but looking at your intelligence, I can say that you have been favoring unintentionally may be due to your congressi upbringing.

I have confirmed from a journalist Prabal Pratap Singh (IBN) and he confirmed that some Congress MLA, Abu Azmi (SP) provided refuge and financial help of Indian Mujahideen terrorists on the run. If you blame RSS for supporting so-called hindu terrorists, what do you say about Congress?

All I want to say is that ‘Koi bhi kam nahi hai”…but Congress is BAAP of all parties. It will even ally with Pakistan and its terrorists if it helps them get votes in India. I don’t think any other party stoop to such level barring communists.

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Now all those who have been slamming Anna for being dis-honest, Can they vouch for Sonia’s and Rahul’s Honesty?

Be honest.

Some trolls will ask a counter question for BJP/RSS so my answer is some BJP/RSS guys are honest but almost 100% of the congressis and its supporters are corrupt. I have not met a single Honest congressmen till date.

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If you see political polarization in India, Congress seems to be united with Maoists, LeT, IM, Pakistanis, Pro-muslim parties and considers BJP far bigger enemy than both Pakistan and China.

The congress has defacto become party of anti-nationals.

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Shenoy
regarding ur note on the police official (invstgatg yedurappa son, dev gowda etc)transter, BJP/Cong etc–
As I have said so many times, the next lok sabka election is BJP’s to lose. But it looks like they r working overtime to lose..
electorate shud be given a clear choice..BJP is muddlibng..for example, this transtfer of the police guy– may be there is nothing; but it gives a sense that they r trying to hide or preempt..
More thabhn any other political party, BJP shud put itself on a high “indian” pedestal.. Their hero Rama subjected Sita to “Agni parreksha” knowing well she was innocent… Instead of subjecting to Agipareeksha, BJP is trying to annul Agni..

I think BJP is in the mode “having already cut so many corners , what is one more here or there? ” Why even aspire to virtues when it is easier to remain the sinner that you already know uerself to be?

I honestly believe a large decisive numer of people are there for clean politics and politicians..they will throw Congress out if there is a real better alternative.. BJP has to rise to that expectation; abnd not claim congress is worse than us..

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Why India will have to turn its back on SAARC

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/report_why-india-will-have-to-turn-its-back-on-saarc_1612132

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So the “ single parent” has finally arrived in India.The orphans of the Congress Party had been looking for a parent , after the present one went on the sick bed . But now the much orphaned 61 year old Digvijay Singh has finally found a parent and a young one too who is just 41 years. Now he is to look after all the orphans .This one is “cho chweet”.Sometime smiling , sometimes waving , sometimes clean shaven ,sometimes with a stubble. A real “Game Changer” too. But these days he is angry. He is very angry in UP. One can only shiver with fear if one sees the anger on his face in the Posters,.
In his Gaming he is resurrecting the long forgotten great grand father “Pandit” Jawahar Lal Nehru. The local marketing guys have told him if Anna is to be countered only the great grandfather can be the game changer …. But this woman in Lucknow is spoiling the Game … she says his anger should be at ‘Rising Prices”.
Now what should the Game Changer Single Parent do ? …Any ideas ? If you have any send them to the Central Orphanage at 24 Akbar Road , New Delhi.

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Praveen Saxenaji,

here is an interesting coincidence:

Several years ago this 14th Nov. day, celebrated all over India as chacha Nehru’s birthday, some school children were invited by All India Radio, Patna for a live broadcast. The children were asked to sing nursery rhymes. One child, who was also very fond of mama rajiv, sang, “gali, gali mein shor hai, Rajiv Gandhi chor hai”.

As could only be expected, the station director was suspended for the bloomer.

Now, several years later the same day, Rahul Baba was to visit Phulpur, chacha Nehru’s long time constituency, and one Awasthi, also known as Awasthi Baba, coined a catchy slogan, “maa bimar, sarkar lachar, Rahulji, karo netratva sweekar”.

Expectedly, Awasthi Baba, a youth congress leader, is in the dog house!

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@ Shenoy

Well Awasthi Baba just told the truth. I think Vinod Sharmaji should nominate him for Bharat Ratna

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RajeevS
So you agree that Rajiv Gandhi is responsible for the 1984 sikh genocide. Do you?

18 hours ago
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Manohar_T
Yes.

Now let me see how many of you have the guts (or to put it bluntly the balls) to hold Modi responsible for 2002.

Or would there would be a thundering silence?

18 hours ago
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18 hours have passed.

Looks like not one of them cannot find either of them (guts and …).

What do we have here now?

A League of Extraordinary Cowards!

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No tests for the dynasty, only straight elevation to the top job.
The congress party is already on self-destruct mode.
Digvinash Singh has created a “mayajaal” around the prince and they hope the magic may inadvertantly click. The basis for this false bravado is supposed Muslim vote bank.

If the media says the crowd at Rahul Baba’s meeting was 30-40,000, it surely means <15000.

It is my belief that Awasthi Baba's slogan" maa bimar" may, in truth, be more than a slogan. The bimari may be serious, maataaji may not be able to undertake the onerous task of pulling its UP unit up with its boot-straps.

Awasthi Baba may still get his rajyasabha seat ahead of Vinodji.

I am very sad for Vinodji.

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According to Rahul Gandhi , since there no no jobs available in UP people from their go to Maharashtra to beg.

If congress comes to power in UP then he will create an enivironment that will
allow them to beg in UP itself. No need of going to an other state for such
trivial matter.

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Rahul’s speech at Phulpur was very disappointing. He sounded like Raj Thackrey and chided UP people by calling them beggars. This is the same state that has helped this dynasty rule India.

Rahul is no better than Raj Thackrey on regionalism, Modi on communalism and Mayawati on casteism. He is the worst that Congress can offer to India.

The kind of garbage that he spewed in Phulpur has confirmed everyone’s feeling that Digvijay is the guru of Rahul. Only Digvijay can produce such low level filth.

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Isn’t it easier to rule from behind the curtain without any responsibility?

I feel for Manmohan who has taken all the brickbats for dynasty. Poor chap. I am sure he will become a fogotten footnote in congress’s history just like PV narasimha rao.

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What if K Sudarshan had tutured Rahul Gandhi instead of Digvijay???

Reading that Rahul is Casteist, Communalist, Regionalist, because Digvijay Singh, must have been his mentor, leads one to wonder, what if Rahul would have been tutored by K Sudarshan.

Here is some of what Rahul could have said in Phulpur.

1. My mother an elected member of the Indian Parliament, one of the few people who could have been a PM, but refused to assume the most powerful position in the country is..a foreign agent, because my tutor K Sudarshan says so, then it must be the truth.

2. Every one in our party knows that my mother Sonia had some role in the deaths of her mother-in-law and her husband,..This is also true because my tutor K Sudarshan says so because he and he alone looked at the circumstantial evidence.

3. My father Rajiv Gandhi had wanted to leave her (Sonia). My tutor says that he had seen the light and it was coming out of the bog at the RSS head quarters in Nagpur, where my tutor K Sudarshan went for his dialy chintan.

4. It is totally misguided to say that the RSS and its political front the BJP sees the Indian society through a communal angle, Oh no it does not, it is an all inclusive and TRULY secular organisation.

5. Our goal is not to establish a “Hindu state”, no sir what we want is an Akhand Bharat stretching from Afghanistan to Cambodia, and for me to be the first PM of this largest country in the world.

6. My tutor K Sudarshan – clearly told Shekhar Gupta – that my Grand Father J. L. Nehru, got Mahatma Gandhi murdered. Based on, fool-proof, proof that the bullet had entered Mahtma Gandhi from his behind.

7. My Tutor – K Sudarshan – knows the TRUTH and he always speaks the TRUTH. Mark my word.

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Do you have a proof that RSS drives BJP govt. behind the curtain?

In case of Sonia, every congressmen swears by the fact.

You terrorist should worry about fascist Congress headed by fascist Sonia.

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Logic of Congressis-
Rajiv Gandhi kills 5000 sikhs for personal revenge, he is called Vikas Purush. He is conferred Bharat Ratna. Media works overtime to shield Rajiv Gandhi from 1984 genocide stains. Sonia’s govt. names everything after Rajiv Gandhi. He was caught pants down in Bofors but Sonia govt. helped Mr.Q to get away with the loot and got borfors buried with the help of CBI. Rahul Gandhi openly plays regionalism card, uses communal politics, uses Raj Thackrey’s vocabulary, his chamchas (Nitin Prasad whose father died in mysterious circumstances after he challenged Sonia on Congress presidentship) beat up activists of rival party but Congress is hailed as democratic, secular..blah blah blah…Sonia rules Congress like a fascist ruler..Even chamchis like Margaret Alva was shown door for speaking out of turn. For congressi trolls all this can be overlooked because it helps them maintain status quo which favors them.

Now replace Rajiv Gandhi and all congressis with Modi and BJP leaders, Congressis will come up with totally different logic.

I have never had good opinion of Pajama Chaap RSS but dhoti-chaap congress is far more dangerous to India putting RSS-Communist-regional-casteists together because Congress is the only part that is COMMUNAL, LEFT LEANING, REGIONAL, CASTEIST and ANTI-NATIONAL.

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Jihadis must confine their worry to what happens to the back seat driving of the Pak army and what happens to your jihad in India once the BJP comes to power.

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Rahul Gandhi has penned some of the most heart-wrenching, poignant and plain-speaking thoughts for the people of UP:

My heart bleeds for the garib, bhikari, bhikmanga and the badnaseeb of UP state..
Poverty is not new to India, because my great grandfather, Pandit Nehru, deliberately kept the country poor with his socialism.

Begging too is not new to us, because my great grand father began our begging in the early 1950’s.He went to the US and Europe every year with our ever expanding begging bowls, first for food and then food and money too.My grand mother, Indira Gandhi, too kept the poverty and begging going with her own brand of socialism.

But, what Mayawati has done for the UP people is beyond discription. She has created more beggars in UP than my great grand father and my grand mother together created in the whole of India.

These poor beggars have also been driven out of UP for lack of begging opportunities.
They are now begging on the streets of Mumbai, Delhi and even distant Bangalore.

This is shameful for four generations of congress leaders headed by the Nehru parivar.

Therefore, I have prepared, with valuable inputs from Digvinash Singh, a 10 point
manifesto for the poor and destitutes of UP.

MY MANIFESTO FOR THE BEGGING POOR OF UP
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1.All UP beggars will now onwards don’t have to leave the state for begging.
2.All opportunities will be created for their hassle-free begging within UP itself.
3.Specially designed UID cards will be issued exclusively for the beggars of UP.
4. With these cards, now they can beg at all bus stops, traffic signals, railway stations and also airports.
5. Police will neither stop these card holding beggars nor will they demand bribes from them.
6. Road medians and foot paths will be modified to house these card holding beggars, so that they can live on them hassle-free.
7.A minimum support rate of Rs.5 will be fixed for traffic signals and bus stops and Rs.50 for airports.
Note: Beggars have the right to throw the money back at the donors, if the amount is less than the fixed rate.
8. Removing beggars from footpaths and road medians will be a crime punishable by imprisonment.
9.Children below the age of 15 will be permitted to beg outside their schools before and after school hours.
10.Membership of congress party will be free for all beggars.

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Friends I have just been given my new identity . I am a Bhikari from UP in fact from quite close to where I was declared one. I became a bhikari in 1980 when I left Allahabad to work at New Delhi.Then this Bhikari was posted to Kolkotta and I begged there for 5 years . Now I am back and continue to be bhikari of sorts , i.e I live in UP but work in Delhi .
All those who go out of their state to work in other states are all bhikaris. Yes this is what the Congress party and its future PM of India has told the country . That is to say all those who have come to Noida and Greater Noida from other states are Bhikaris in UP.
Union Ministers who take Oath of Office to safeguard the Constitution of India are permitted to kick and assault others , this another law which was laid down yesterday by the Congress Party.

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Last evening after the speech by Rahul Gandhi, Mrs. Sonia Gandhi met
MMS and told him ” I should never have removed Rahul from the craddle”.

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No change in US visa policy for Modi: Blake (*)

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Americas/No-change-in-US-visa-policy-for-Modi-Blake/Article1-769334.aspx

I feel ‘extremely sorry’ (others perhaps will be extremely discomforted) for the ‘greatest Chief Minister and Administrator’ ever to set foot on this planet..

The only “silver lining’ is that he is in august company of

1) Omar Osama bin Laden
2) Tariq Ramadan
3) Yusuf al-Qaradawi

among others down the years. The other people not welcome in the USA would be the terrorists and preachers of hate based in Pakistan and elsewhere. “Wonderful’.

http://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-famous-persona-non-gratas/reference

* Same status quo for this Persona-non-grata in Bihar too.

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I dont think Vinod Sharma’s estimate that Rahul Gandhi spoke in front of a crowd of 30,000-40,000 is true. He may try to delude people into thinking that he’s writing an blog critical of RG, but these subtle propaganda tidbits tend to have a different motive. The crowd would have been no more than 5000 people

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~~ SARKARI SWAMI AGNIVESH~~
~~~~falls for pretty maids ~~~~
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Vinodji, aapka kiraye ka swami agnivesh
Big Boss mein badal chuka hai bhesh

Kudiyon ko sikhate yog
lag gaya usko prem rog

bahar aake rona shuru
Mera bhi kuch karo guru !!!!!

The Congress used him to target Anna, And he got exposed. Well after his tears on leaving the pretty girls… even his undies have got exposed !!!

Ha hahahhahah !!

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“If the speculation isn’t without basis, I’d be surprised by the timing of the move.”
Mr Vinod Sharma has raised a pertinent issue. Why now? There could be two reasons. One ,there could a conspiracy by some from within the Congress Party , to derail him even before he takes off and finally settle ths issue for good. Or the other being that 10 Janpath is no longer confident about 7 RCR and they want to speed up before things go out of hand..
But one undeniable fact is that Rahul Gandhi is simply not cut out for an important political assignment in the country.He is yet to show that he is no longer a juvenile.

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UP cabinet clears plan for division of state in four parts

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Lucknow/UP-cabinet-clears-plan-for-division-of-state-in-four-parts/Article1-769341.aspx

For those living in UP and areas around or familiar with UP, is it a good idea? Pros and cons.

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We should ask Anna Hazare and his team to agitate in Lucknow and if need be they should go on fast.

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Since Mayawati got division of UP on the national agenda, she should be congratulated. In fact by a single stroke she will achieve what her five years of rule could not. Shake UP into joining the race of progress. People like Mulayam and Amar SIngh, who represent areas which are not Western UP will react adversly and as a matter of reaction start an agitation against this.

As a matter of record all small states in India have done better than the bigger states.
PEPSU divided into Punjab, Haryana and Himachal has beome a prosperous area; Gujarat and Maharashtra got partitioned and everyone is happier; Uttrakhand now prospers after it got detatched from UP.

Imprtantly Bihar could only vote in Nitish when Jharkhand separated. Otherwise the Lalu fromula fo Muslim Yadav combine would always be bigger than progress.

Similarly since politics in UP only revolves around caste, religion and similar issues, it does requiere a breakup. Smaller states focus on local issues of development and crime.

The bigger states have politicans who keep creating a votebank by scaring everyone to become a minority

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FEROZE KHAN ‘S GRANDSON NEEDS NO LONG ROUTE. IF HE SUCCEEDS IT IS HIS ACHIEVEMENT ,IF HE DOESNOT THE PARTY HAS NOT TOILED ENOUGH AS SAID BY SALMAN KHURSHID EARLIER ON POLL DEBACLE IN UP.CHIT BHI TERI ,PATT BHI TERI,RAHUL BABA.
WHAT CUT SHARMA IS TALKING IS KNOWN TO HIM ONLY.
HOW TO USE MUSCLES ALSO HAS BEEN SHOWN BY NONE LESS THAN A JITENDRA PRASAD’SON A CENTRAL MINISTER,PROMOD TEWARI AND SOME SINGH. THE GANG WAS IN FULL OPERATION IN FULL VIEW OF TV CAMERAS AND SALMAN KHURSHID ,JAI PRAKASH JAISWAL AND RAHUL.
A GREAT PARTY INDEED.
BY THE WAY SHARMA JI WHICH CUT RAJIV USED?

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Rahul is trying his luck at a time when the credibility of his party is at its lowest ebb.It seems he can not retrieve the situation.People want development and they will vote to power those who can perform according to their desires.The memory of the people is not so short that they can forget the failure of congress on all fronts.Development and not the individuals matter now. The recent example is that of Bihar.

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According to the congressie troll here, as against Modi, Rajiv Gandhi only failed to prevent the massacre of 5000 Sikhs in Delhi, whereas, the fact is that he actually ordered his hired goons to take revenge on the Sikhs for the murder of his mother by her Sikh body guard. what followed his specific order was a well executed POGROM against Sikhs.

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This question you should ask the USA government, not me.

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I fail to understand how educated Congressis can tolerate this ****** Rahul Gandhi. There are some ardent congress supporters here who are afraid to say even a word against this ******. What can you expect from such people who have no backbone?

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Not sure. If so, more the merrier. Also perhaps Dr. Zakir Naik. Wah!, A real ‘illustrious’ company for Modi.

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Pl. read this interview of Astish Taseer son of slain Salman Taseer and Journo Tavleen Singh. His views on Arundhati Roy darling of anti-national congresis are blunt and very refreshing.

http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/ataseer/2011/10/aatish-taseer-the-tnb-self-interview/

You’ve said some pretty harsh things about a certain writer *** activists on the Left–no names!–who, we in the States, kind of like. She seems, in an environment of rapacious capitalism, to be a friend of the poor and marginalised. What possible objection could you have to her?

Aatish: None except that I don’t think she’s a friend of the poor at all. She would like to doom them to a permanent state of picturesque poverty. They are beautiful to her–the poor–beautiful, benign and faceless. And that is exactly how she wants them to stay. Let me say also that it is not the poor who animate her politics. Oh, no! The people who get her into the streets are the new middle classes. This class, still among the most fragile in India, people who have newly emerged from the most dire conditions, are despicable to her. She mocks their clothes; their trouble with English; she hates their ambitions; when India wins the cricket and she sees them celebrating, her skin crawls; she wants, more than anything, to do these people down. And it is her overwhelming hatred of them that allows her to be a friend of movements that are seemingly far apart. The jihadists, the Maoists, the Kashmir movement, the anti-development people…they’re all her friends. Anyone who can prove a credible threat to the future of India is a friend of that woman. I would go so far as to say she has a prurient fascination with the enemies of India. And where do they love her? In Pakistan, and in the faculty rooms of Europe and America. No surprise there.

Also, this business of pretending she’s a lone voice in the wilderness. What rubbish! At least have the good grace to admit that not one thing she says is provocative or new; it is perfectly banal. And we know how well the universities Europe and America reward this bogus cant!

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Strange coming from a person, who took the first available flight to the ‘phoren’ country – USA.

Hypocrite, anyone?

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Good he was exposed. He would support the Maoists and all such causes…

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More state is not the solution. Why don’t you compare states of India and US by area too. Alaska is as big as Pakistan and Texas???

The real problem is distribution of resources. This can be easily worked out by experts if state is divided in zones with each zone getting its rightful share and implementation machinery. Dividing state will be only helpful for politician. Today BSP has one in CM in UP and tomorrow it will have 4 CM in state state and claim to be national party at par with Congress and BJP.

I have never supported BJP on this division business..It is aimed at giving political power to multiple leaders who otherwise will kill each other to be CM.

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I still remember Ravi sobbing when Osama was taken out. The terrorist couldn’t hide his pain.

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Congressis = Corrupt, Criminals, Casteists, Communal, anti-nationals, liars, propagandists, fakes, pro-terrorists…absolute filth who have kept India a 3rd world country that has half the world’s underwight children, half the poor…India is home of poverty thanks to Congress rule. The only congressis PVN who tried doing something is treated like untouchable because he dared take on DIVINE dynasty.

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~~ WILL ARNAB, THE VOICE OF iNDIA BE SILENCED into submission?
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In a strange case the former Chief justice of Supreme court launched a case against Times Now, becasue his mug had been shown wrongly and he won… for damages amounting to 100 crores.

Now

a) I would hate to be in the position of the junior subeditor who put in the wrong clip

b) more seriously the Times Now channel will need the Congress help at the centre to get out of this one. And Digviansh Singh will ask for a price, Salute the Yuvraj and tone down all rhetoric.

I have a feeling, Arnab who lead the charge against corruption will have to change his tune to that of NDTV and CNN IBN….

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Vijay,
There is no relationship between size of states and development. Read this story-

http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/62687/12/4

लखनऊ। यूपी के बंटवारे के पीछे मायावती की दलील है कि छोटे राज्यों का तेजी से विकास होता है। लेकिन अब तक के मौजूद आंकड़े इस दलील को सही नहीं ठहरा रहे। खुद मायावती का कार्यकाल भी इस आंकड़े को झुठला रहा है। कुछ मामलों में तो यूपी कई विकसित राज्यों की बराबरी कर रहा है।
साल 2011 की यूनाइटेड नेशंस डेवलपमेंट प्रोग्राम यानि यूएनडीपी की रिपोर्ट दुनिया के अलग-अलग देशों के अलग अलग राज्यों में आम आदमी के विकास को परखती है। रिपोर्ट के मुताबिक मानव विकास के मामले में अगर भारत को 50 अंक मिले हैं तो उत्तर प्रदेश को 47 अंक। वहीं क्षेत्रफल में यूपी से कहीं बड़े महाराष्ट्र को 54 अंक और नए राज्यों में से एक छत्तीसगढ़ को 45 अंक मिले हैं।

बात करें शिक्षा में विकास की तो यहां भी क्षेत्रफल में बड़े राज्य महाराष्ट्र को भारत की औसत विकास दर से ज्यादा अंक मिले हैं। इस मामले में यूपी नए राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ से थोड़ा पीछे है। वहीं आमदनी में विकास का आंकड़ा गवाह है कि एक बार फिर महाराष्ट्र जैसा बड़ा राज्य भारत की औसत विकास दर से टक्कर ले रहा है। 11 साल पहले बना राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ अब भी यूपी से पीछे ही है।

स्वास्थ्य सुधार मामले में यूएनडीपी की रिपोर्ट में भारत को 70 अंक मिले हैं। जबकि यूपी को 65 और महाराष्ट्र को 77 अंक मिले हैं। क्षेत्रफल में छोटे और नए राज्य छत्तीसगढ़ को स्वास्थ्य सुधार में सिर्फ 61 अंक मिले हैं। यानि भारत से औसत से भी कम। यूएनडीपी की ये रिपोर्ट इसी साल की है। आंकड़े गवाह हैं कि नए और क्षेत्रफल में छोटे राज्य बड़े राज्यों से मुकाबला नहीं कर पा रहे हैं। ऐसे में मुख्यमंत्री मायावती का ये दावा कि बड़े राज्यों में विकास की गति तेजी नहीं पकड़ पाती।
इसके अलावा पिछले महीने ही आई केंद्र सरकार की ह्यूमन डेवलपमेंट रिपोर्ट में भी उत्तर प्रदेश को मानव विकास के मामले में गुजरात जैसे राज्य से कहीं बेहतर माना गया था। उत्तर प्रदेश की ताकत का अंदाजा आप इन आंकड़ों से भी लगा सकते हैं कि यूपी फिलहाल देश के उन 5 राज्यों में से एक है जो विकास दर के निर्धारित लक्ष्य से भी आगे निकल गए हैं। उत्तर प्रदेश की विकास दर 7.28 फीसदी है। जबकि राज्य ने विकास दर के लिए लक्ष्य रखा था 6.10 फीसदी। ये भी ध्यान दीजिए की आजादी के बाद से 2007 तक यूपी की विकास दर कभी भी 5 फीसदी से ज्यादा नहीं रही है।
ऐसे में मायावती के इस दावे कि छोटे राज्य में ही बेहतर विकास हो सकता है खुद उनका कार्यकाल ही गलत साबित कर रहा है। जाहिर है विकास के आंकड़े छोटे राज्यों के पक्ष में जाते नहीं दिख रहे। बिहार और झारखंड का उदाहरण भी हमारे सामने है। राज्य बनने के बाद झारखंड के 37 विधायकों की संपत्ति में तीन हजार फीसदी का इजाफा हुआ है। इस छोटे से राज्य की पहचान अब भी भ्रष्टाचार, कमजोर सरकार और पिछड़ेपन की वजह से ही है।
यही नहीं, इस वक्त आंध्र प्रदेश को अलग करके तेलंगाना, महाराष्ट्र से विदर्भ, असम में बोडोलैंड और गुजरात को बांटकर अलग सौराष्ट्र। राज्य बनाने की मांग उठी हुई है।

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Here is how the new generation lovers fight:

Boy to girl: Apna figure to dekho..
Sirf bones hi bones Hai!

Girl: Isiliye main itni der se soch rahi hun
Ki mere pass Kutta qyon khada hai???

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We all know that politicians do desperate things when they are under pressure. So Mayawati thought of this sudden and hasty move to divide UP into 4 parts.Is that going to be be “win-win” move for her , or a “win some loose some”, or a ” win some loose more “. In my view it is going to be ..”.win some loose more .”
Only Bundelkhand and Ajit Singh have been demanding division of UP.Bundelkhand for the right reasons and UP would have supported it. Ajit Singh for political reasons, that it would give him a Jat dominated state and secure his own political future but doubtful if even other non Jat segments are in favour of it.
But there has been absolutely no demand from any other area or segment.The districts shown in the 4 parts are so ill thought that it is only going to create more uncertainty and instability in the minds of the people.e.g Allahabad is more akin to Awadh than Poorvanchal. In East UP the dialect spoken is Bhojpuri but in Allahabad it is Awadhi. When I see the districts shown in the 4 divisions I see more such incongruencies than consistency. The dialect f some districts like Meerut , Saharanpur ,is Khado Boli closer to Haryana but Agra , Aligarh etc is Brij Bhasha. more akin to Badaun Mainpuri etc shown in Awadh.
My take ..Mayawati may loose more than it can hope to gain from this shagoofa.

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Very soon new India will emerge which will be similar to older version of princely states.

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~~~ RAHUL INDEED IS GAFFE PRONE ~~~~~~~
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Rahul’s big gaffe of Upites begging in Mumbai may just do him similsr damage as his father caused by calling Calcutta a decaying city. The Congress lost Bengal ever after that.

So has Rahul caused the biggest gaffe in his first appearence???

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@ Engrich

Do you know Kiyani is actually an Isreali and Gilani is an American Mormon female cross dresser?

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Here is a tongue-in-cheek look Kingfisher Airlines.

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/thelostmaven/entry/indian-kingfisher-an-endangered-species

Enjoy

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Musharraf : Pakistanis hold Dawood Ibrahim in high esteem.
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LONDON: Former Pakistani president and All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) Chief Pervez Musharraf said that he did not know whether or not Dawood Ibrahim, accused of being a terrorist by the US and India, is in Pakistan.
In an interview with NDTV on Tuesday, Musharraf told his interviewer Barkha Dutt that the Pakistani perspective is that Dawood Ibrahim is a man to be held in high esteem and that the “situation is complicated”.
“They (Pakistanis) think that he did a very good job… Because Indians killed 3,000 Gujratis… In Gujrat they killed 3,000 Muslims. Therefore Dawood Ibrahim reacted. So he is held in high esteem. This is what happens in Pakistan.”
India believes that Ibrahim funded and masterminded the 1993 serial blasts in Mumbai in which at least 250 people were killed and 700 injured.
Musharraf added that he does not think that terrorism is an appropriate reaction to the Gujrat massacre, but maintained that the Indian and Pakistani perspective on Ibrahim are different
Pakistan denies that Ibrahim is given protection.
Ibrahim is on Interpol’s list for organised crimes and was also designated a global terrorist by the US treasury dept in 2003.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/292706/pakistanis-hold-dawood-ibrahim-in-high-esteem-musharraf/

1. 1st of all Mumbai blasts happened 10 years before Gujrat riots. Musharraf is a idiot besides being a criminal.
2. In Gujrat riots , excluding Godhra where pilgrims were killed and which sparked the riots, 254 hindus and 794 musims were killed.

Does anyone need any more proof about how the Pakistan state itself and its very top officials are directly involved in providing protection and shelter to the smuggler turned killer Dawood ?

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After hearing the filth of Rahul Gandhi, I am doubly convinced that he is getting his political education from Filth-Guru Digvijay.

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Our journalist especially Barkha Dutt are sold out. Any other smart journalist should have asked a counter question “Is America doing good things by killing people in pakistani territory?”

You need guts to do that but people like Barkha have made their career bashing India and hindus and projecting muslims as BECHARAS.

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Rahul’s utterance = divine truth for congressis and media

Why is that so?

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This is coming from a self-confessed Osama lover.

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Digvijay and his chelas on this forum has alleged that Hindustan times works for RSS. They happened to notice “Subscribe by RSS” on HT web-sites.

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Where do you beg in LONDON?

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Jangal mein mor nacha kisine na dekha
Rahul ne Maya ko kuch ulta-seedha bola
hai re, sab ne chillaya aur cheeka,
’socho jyada, achcha hoga karo kam bola’

Rajiv ne ek baar Benazir ko thi naani yaad dilayi
jab baat corruption ki ho, toh Rahul ko apni naani yaad ayi
inke poorvaj ne dilayi thi desh ke haath mein bhiksha paatr
UP walon ko bhikari kehke kya Rahul banta hai kshama patr?

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Ravi,

Agree wih you. Yes, Rahul Gandhi was very daring . Without getting
scared he said ” UP WAALE APNE STATE SE BAHAR JAKAR BHEEKH
MAANGTE HAI. “”

Even the most famous bikhari of UP, Mr. Amitabh Bachchan has appreciated his courage.

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Vinod Sharma says, “No short cuts to success for Rahul”

unfortunately, there are no long cuts too for the prince, who will always remain and be remembered as the Amul Baby, ‘jise door door thak koyi success dikhayi nahin de raha hai’

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~~ INTERESTING ARTICLE IN DAWN ON THE NEW INDIAN PM ~~~
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THIS summer of India’s discontent not only shook the nation, it also dealt a body blow to its most powerful politician, Sonia Gandhi. In August, Gandhi was whisked away to the US, ostensibly for surgery of what was believed to be an unspecified cancer.

A pall of silence fell over her, but when she returned to India in September, her Congress party, true to obsequious form, declared her ‘fighting fit’. On Nov 9 though, Gandhi cancelled her first public speech after her operation, instilling doubts about her recovery. Speculation is rampant that she will soon make way for her son, Rahul.

she empowered herself to handpick the country’s prime minister, and dismiss him at will. Beholden to her thus, he seldom fails to acknowledge her supremacy.

During her month-long absence from India, key ministers sparred with each other, almost bringing down the government. When the cat is away, the mice will play. Upon her return to India, she cracked the whip. The belligerents duly fell in line. Such clout can cloud the sensibility to distinguish between personal rights and public duties.

At 79, Manmohan Singh is no spring chicken. He too has battled grave disease. Gandhi has clearly given serious thought to succession planning. Her son Rahul Gandhi’s role in the party is set to expand, although without an immediate ascension to premiership. A stopgap prime minister has purportedly been identified in Defence Minister A.K. Antony.

Gandhi put him in charge, in part, of party matters when she went abroad, and it was he who delivered her above-mentioned speech. In cabinet meetings, all understand that his is the voice of Gandhi.

Left in the lurch is Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, a perennial prime ministerial aspirant. He is Gandhi’s go-to man for all problems, but with the crown she will trust him not. Unlike Singh or Antony, Mukherjee commands a significant following in the Congress. His pliancy is consequently called into question, and pliancy is a sine qua non for becoming India’s premier today. After all, whenever Rahul Gandhi deems himself ready, all unseemliness must be avoided for the coronation of the crown prince. Miffed, Mukherjee has made clear that he will retire if the sceptre is not handed to him next. Without his realpolitik, a Congress government could be expected to survive about as long as a fish out of water.

Such then are the momentous decisions pending on Gandhi. For seven years, a regent-like prime minister has filled the void, with Gandhi wielding de facto power. Even Bairam Khan could hold the Mughal fort for only four years, until Akbar came of age. Unlike Akbar, Rahul Gandhi is a reluctant prince. While his mother was in the pink of health, it appeared that he had time on his side, but the runway is fast receding.

India has seen many a dynasty. Since 1947, the Nehru-Gandhi family has reigned supreme. Jawaharlal Nehru would be astonished at what he has begot. A cult-like devotion has developed for the family. Fawning courtiers outdo one another in claims of its indispensability.

Even political adversaries come to pay obeisance. Riven by division, they appreciate the value of a paramount leader, who can keep the flock in line, and the public in thrall.

Most of India’s media too has toed the line that Gandhi’s health is her own business, with rare exceptions such as The Hindu, which has questioned why an omertà, a code of silence, is being enforced on Gandhi’s health.In a democracy of over a billion, is asking whether the foremost leader is fit to lead appropriate, or is it tantamount to heresy?

her own prime minister is ill-served by her lack of transparency. Family cronies mock him at every turn. Some label him an experiment, others cry for Rahul Gandhi to take over.

Keeping all comers guessing is a hallmark of rulers, and it is said of the Gandhis that they know how to rule. The prime minister is rendered vexed whether to take the hint and quit, or stay and endure the humiliation. When his patience gets exhausted, he hesitatingly meets the press to emphasise, impromptu, that he is no lame duck. His protestations only enhance the general impression of an isolated, hapless man. Many wonder why he, who has served his country with such integrity for so long, does not pack up his bags and leave the Congress to its shenanigans.

In plunging into public life, Gandhi must have known that there would be few walls of seclusion. She says she has given India the right to know. Well, then, India has the right to know about the condition of the current arbiter of its destiny.

sunil_sharan@yahoo.com

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UP had some 426 MLAs before Uttarakhand was made,,Now UP has 403 and Uttarakhand 70…There are 47 extra MLAs, two CMs..two ministry and obviously double corruption.

What did people gain?

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Manohar claims that he is not a congressi but on every issue right from CWG, 2G to JanLokpal to Digvijay’s filth to Rahul’s non-sense, he justifies congress. He finds communal politics played by Congress very secular in nature..Looks like this 1946 born has become senile in the company of another senile terrorist Ravi. The still think that this Congress is Congress of Mahatma Gandhi. That Congress died the day India got independence. After that came family enterprise Congress of Nehru with brief interruption of Shashtri, then congress turned corrupt and dictatorial under Indira/Sanjay/Rajiv and now it is corrupt communal fascist and anti-national under Sonia.

But Congressi trolls can not see anything except RSS…Looks like this is the only way for them to cover Congress loot.

Most of the Congressis know in their heart that Sonia’s game is up..so they are now forming alliance with terrorist elements and think that they can come back to power by playing their dirty minority communal politics.
If BJP replies in same card, I won’t be surprised. They will earn right to do so.

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The fact the Congress of today is not the same as it was when India was not yet independent, is just about the best compliment a political party can wish for. Today’s India is not the same as it was before the independence, as India has evolved so has the congress party.

Let us contrast with the Sangh Parivar.

At its inception it was pushing on two fronts. Artificially trying to homogenize a richly diverse Hindu population into a very large communal vote bank and ensuring that Muslims were once for all knocked down into accepting a second-class citizenship.

To achieve the above, it has high-jacked the history of India and started to magnify minor players into gigantic personalities. Even highjacking the congress hardman and making him their own.

Whilst it opposes religious fundamentalism in neighbouring countries, it manages to camouflage its own religious fascistic fundamental agenda, by labelling it as nationalism. In that respect, its objectives and tactics are indistinguishable from those practiced by the Italian fascist party.

Since it knows that its real policies are largely unpalatable, it from the start adopted the tactic of not focusing on policies, but instead unreasonable but relentlessly attack personalities. One can witness that same technique being practiced on this very page and previous blogs.

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Why is that terrorist Ravi and Congressi Manohar are aligned together? It is because Congressis and ISlamic terrorists are natural allies.

This is new Congress.

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Why does Mr Vinod Sharma get his stories wrong?
After Vir Sanghvi questioned the HT story on the Shanti Bhushan CD, the SC yesterday asked the CBI to explain its stand on allegations against the Amit Shah. To quote the TOI
“ The bench indicated its agreement with Jethmalani’s submissions and told additional solicitor general Vivek Tankha, who appeared for CBI, that “the complaints appears to be absolute trash”.

“Mr Tankha, you (the CBI) are supposed to be the finest investigating agency. You have to respond to all these lapses and deficiencies. The insinuations (against Shah) were wholly unwarranted and totally unfair,” the bench said. “
I recall there was a TV discussion on the CWG loot and Mr Vinod Sharma instead of talking on that kept yelling at the Panel “but what about Amit Shah “.
Alas…

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Politics of opportunism now makes the BJP opposes FDI….

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/the-real-truth/entry/politics-of-opportunism-now-makes-the-bjp-opposes-fdi

Excerpt

Arnab Goswami mentioned on Times Now last night that there was a growing consensus that the opposition would block Parliament’s winter session as well. Like I explained – it helps the BJP if Parliament shuts down and no laws can be passed. Then the BJP can claim that the government is in a freeze. The BJP wants a logjam in Parliament. If the BJP had its way, it would ensure a logjam for the remaining three years. They don’t care about the country. All they care about now is grabbing power. The BJP leaders shout “Bharat Mata ki jay” and “Vande Mataram” at every gathering in a show of nationalism; yet when the time comes to prove its nationalism in action, it does the exact opposite..

The real truth is more than the Left, it’s the BJP’s stand on FDI that is disturbing. Atleast the Left is consistent in opposing FDI. The BJP is opportunistic – when it is in power, it supports FDI. Yet when it is in opposition, it opposes it. The BJP truly needs to introspect…..the people are not fools after all

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Why is it that FOOLS and SANGHI’s are NOT allied together???

Oh but they ARE, its just impossible to tell them apart!!

This is the old/new RSS/BJP

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Look who is talking..the one who abuses everyone who doesn’t agree with his warped view as Sanghi. The one who finds nothing wrong with Corruption…

The one who aligns with a known jehadi sympathiser just because he provides him fodder of hatred against Indians…

Ram milyai jodi..ek andha..ek kodhi..

Sahi hai..Terrorism aur Congress are synonym of each other.

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Who uses abuse when someone doesn’t agree with him?
MANOHAR…always instigated by resident Jehadi Ravi..

Anyone who thinks Congress is corrupt is Sanghi…Does that make Nitish Kumar Sanghi? For Manohar Corrupt Sonia and Laloo are best leaders..

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It is strange that Islamic terrorist is hiding behind 65 year old congressi who is out of touch with reality. He migrated to west when India was land of milk and honey under Indira Gandhi…He became a beggar when he should have stayed back in india.

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Shenoy,
I think you are trying to compare Bhatt with Kambli and your main intention is to defend Modi. Let me tell you that this comparison is illogical.

Azhar has been found guilty of match fixing charges so kambli’s allegation may be true whereas Modi is yet to be convicted so Bhatt’s allegations may or may not be true.

Lastly looking at Modi’s utterances, I feel he is not fit for national politics. He should accept responsibility for failing to protect minorities in 2002 riots. Why doesn’t he come up with a white paper on what Guj. Govt. did to stop riots with complete timeline.

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Only trolls post for the sake of ‘BADA MAZAA ATA HAI’. This clearly speaks about their sincerity to debates.

and other trolls hide behind such trolls repeating same stale stuff again and again.

These trolls become blind to Congress’s crime and Crimes of terrorists.

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“The fact the Congress of today is not the same as it was when India was not yet independent, is just about the best compliment a political party can wish for.”

Now if we replace Congress Party with Islam in this sentence the same Ravi will go bonkers and claim Islam has always remained unchanged so according to Ravi’s logic Islam is not progressive like Congress.

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It seems that Narendar Modi has decided that he will no longer be attending the party’s national executive meetings if Gadkari would be present there. Which considering his position, will amount to ALL the meetings.

No one knows the real reason as why such a draconian decision was taken by India’s most successful chief minister.

Here are some possibilities;

1. RSS has decided that it will not back Narendar Modi for the post of Prime Minister.

2. RSS has decided that Nitin Gadkari will be its preferred candidate for the post of Prime Minister.

3. The meetings are held in a room that can accommodate only one ego at a time.

4. The meeting room is so small that once Nitin Gadkari has been pushed into it, there remains no space for Narendar Modi to enter.

5. Narendar Modi is afraid that the large dark shadow cast by Gadkari will eclipse his glorious visage.

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List of Congressi trolls-
1. Prabhat
2. Mahesh
3. Manohar

List of terror sympathisers allied with Congressi trolls-
1. Ravi
2. Tajender

Everyone else is Sanghi…

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It appears that Nitin Gadkari has quietly dropped RSS’s cherished dream of erecting a Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Instead it now favours the establishment of Gandhi’s Ram Rajya in UP.

Little does he know that in some shape or form he may get what he is hoping for.

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Rajeev

This response covers all other threads.

We are not here to discuss here the political leanings or background or whatever about the bloggers themselves, but to comment and discuss the issues.

Henceforth, I will refrain from commenting upon or discussing the bloggers. Strictly issues – you may or may not agree with my views and opinions and can ignore them. If you or someone else wishes to draw any conclusions and air them, be by guest – it would not make any difference.

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Arvind Kejriwal

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/ET-Awards-Agenda-for-Renewal-Involve-people-in-decision-making-says-Arvind-Kejriwal/articleshow/10787536.cms

One line says it all

Till we question the decision-making processes of our democracy, merely creating more power and more infrastructure would not help.

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Now he is talking sense. The question is why has he and his associates been making so much noise to create a monster Lokpal – another bureaucratic infrastructure. with unbridled powers and answerable to none?

To reduce corruption and to streamline governance – the solutions lie elsewhere.

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Manohar,
Take time to read this and see if you can learn something from this column.

The Deadening Silence Of Good Intentions
Closed gates; zipped lips. What happens when an exhibition on the Quran opens in New Delhi.
C.M. NAIM

http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?279021

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Prahlad,

there is no seniority in these blogs.

You give back in equal or more measure what you receive.

For example, if your friend, the ace blogger and outstanding debater makes fun of Gadkari for his losing flab by surgery, then it becomes legitimate for others to say that Sonia Gandhi too lost “something” very very vital for a woman’s sense of beauty and grace.

And it becomes legitimate for them to compare the two “losses” and declare that Sonia’s loss is such that the congressie troll is grieving and is jealous of Gadkari for losing something and still come off better looking, while the “loss” has forced the mataji to lock herself inside her bed room most of the time.

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Manohar,
You are now calling for truce. You should now stop borrowing abuses from terrorist Ravi and stop acting as his defender and proxy.

Terrorist Ravi has only one argument..”RSS SANGHI RSS SANGHI”..If you are going to defend his BS you will have to face the consequences.

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Rajeev,
thanks for posting this link.
Anyone wonders why Zia Haq does not blog about this? Or, Vinod Sharma does not speak in defence of his boss in National Minorities Commission?
Oh, okay. I get it. Ahmadaiyas are not Muslims- so, Zia does not care. And, since they are not Muslims, they are not minorities ; so, Vinod Sharma does not take notice of them.

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But why did Mr Vinod Sharma get his stories wrong?
I am bewildered and even distressed that Mr Vinod Sharma , Political Editor of HT got his stories wrong. But how did it happen .. why? Is it because he is losing his touch as a top-notch journalist and forgetting the basic rules of reporting i.e. cross verifying the facts ? No …he was ‘Seperated at Birth from Pakistan but cannot be separated from the rules of Reporting.. Was he under pressure ? Sorry… No one and I repeat …No one ..can pressurize Mr Vinod Sharma. Did someone mislead him ? Possible … but unlikely as Mr Vinod is a veteran. So… why ? I sometimes get a feeling that he slipped because he has fallen in bad company.. Mr Vinod Sharma ki sohbat bigad gayi hai , aur is buri sohbat ki vajah se galat likh jaate hain. And not just that , even on TV he often says wrong things. So what should he do ?
I think he should stop meeting and talking to bad people . He should stop visiting places where he meets those bad people. But who are these bad people ? They are those who loot public money , who appoint tainted people to high positions, who kick and punch those who protest against them, who mount false cases against those who oppose them … and once this happens I am sure Mr Vinod Sharma shall come out as the shining white knight , who everyone shall be so happy to see.

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I thought all communals are on this blog only. Rajeev, Shenoy, Vijay , Mohan and
many others, but I was shocked to watch this season’s last episode of KBC
on Thursday. In the begining of the episode Vande Mataram can be heard in
background. Shame on these people. Sony, Amitabh Bachchan and promoters
of KBC should appologize for hurting the sentiments of secular people of India.

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Here is how the Gestapo harass a small time barber:

While hair cutting, official Barber asked Kapil Sibal, ‘’What’s this
Swiss Bank issue, Sir?
Kapil Sibal shouted, “YOU, you are cutting hair or making inquiry?”
Barber: Sorry Sir, I just asked.

Next day, while cutting the hair, he asked Pranab Mukherjee, “Sir, what’s
this Black money issue?’’
Pranab shouted, ‘’Why did you ask me this question?’’
Barber: ‘’Sorry Sir, just asked you’’

Next day, CBI interrogated the Barber, ‘’Are you an agent of Baba
Ramdev?’’
Barber: No Sir.
CBI: Are you the agent of Anna?
Barber: No Sir.
CBI: Then while cutting the hair, why do you ask Congress Ministers about
Swiss Bank and Black money issues?
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*Barber: Sir, I do not know why, when I ask about Swiss Bank or Black
money, Congress Ministers’ hairs stand up straight;
and that helps me to cut the hair easily; that’s why I keep asking…

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~~~ MY 5 CRORE CHALLENGE AND QUESTION TO VINOD SHARMAJI ~~~~
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The priest of the Christian church of Jammu and Kashmir, Shri CM khanna is being hounded, harassed and threatened by the Mirwiaz, Hizbul, PDP and what not for “forcibly” converting 7 Muslims to Christianity.

Vinodji as member of the National minorites commision, can you not save this poor guy. Can you not issue a statement that as a minority in Jammu and Kashmir, the priest is being denied of his rights and it was within his right to convert the Muslims.

If you do so, I promise that I will create an internet movement to raise five crores and also get all blogmates like Shenoy, Rajeev, Ashish etc to join in. Of course Ravi and Engrich and Tejendar may not join in.

However I request that this statement should not have qualifiers like BJP, Narendra Modi, Babri Masjid, RSS etc etc

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Prahlad_K

Please take note, and draw your own conclusions

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Ah! Cosmosis! What a lovely word..
But, there is still only ONE direction,

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Prahlad,

As both of us know, we belong to opposing political view-points. I too read all posts here and where possible, I try to respond in a light-hearted manner, which occasionally is with small measures of wit too.

We also try to score points by showing each other the weaknesses and strength of their own political groups. All this is accepted as normal.

But if someone or a group of people support congress party and by obligation all its leaders even when that party is known to support terrorists, anti-nationals, corrupt, pseudo secular, and call those who point out the real face of the party and its leaders RSS, Hindu fundamentalists etc., then it leads to war of words. Unfortunately this too is normal here.

However, Prahlad, since you are an occasional visitor here and you only hit us with mild barbs, I accept your opinion with due humility. Let us war, but with humour and wit.

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Manohar,
it is not personal. I mean, it is not targted at you in particular.
However, Shuddhabrata Sengupta makes the point most eloquently that all our vaunted secularism fails when it comes to taking obscurantist Muslims to task for their own intolerance.
Other than Wajahat Habibullah, no prominent Muslim came out in support of the exhibition and the story itself was allowed a quiet burial in national press.
So, repeating my posers to Vinod Sharma and Zia Haq again. Simple points:
1. Are Ahmadiyas Muslims? Yes/ No
2. If no, are they allowed to believe they are Muslims themselves and hold their meetings/ preachings peacefully? Like anybody else in this country?
3. Are Ahmadiyas minorities deserving of TLC of Vinod Sharma in his role as NMC member?

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ashish and ravi u have to be more rational on anand math and this notorious song,

Thursday, August 31, 2006
From pro-Vande Mataram to anti-Vande Matram

Once every couple of years this controversy over Vande Matram erupts and I remember how I had supported the song in my school days and how I turned against it later. (Not that of turning a fundamentalist with age though).

I was a good student of Sanskrit, learnt scores of shlokas and was quite interested in its grammar, I felt that the song does not exactly mean worship and could be sung. I had a heated debate with many elderly family members then and I always felt that there was no problem in singing it.

The translation of the song makes wonderful reading. The Urdu translation which can be understood by many more Indians than the original words is even more nice to ears.

And after reading the sick novel of Bankim Chandra Chatterji, I still don’t have objection to anybody singing it but forcing it, NO. In fact, it was a non-Muslim Bengali friend who had told me about the nature of this novel.

I am no less patriotic than any Indian irrespective of their faith and my ancestors have also done its bit towards strengthening the composite culture and unity of this country. My great grandfather has praised Lord Krishna and Prophet Muhammad in the same breath and patriotism has been part of my Iman.

I need not give any clarification on that. But if any body has delusions of having a patriotism-meter with which he can test my love towards my motherland, then I don’t give this right to anybody, sorry, you would be frustrated.

Bankim Chandra wrote a treacherous novel and anybody who has ever read it will never defend it or the song. It is shameful to all. We have had great Hindu nationalists from the revivalist Vivekananda and a strong Arya Samaji like Pt Ram Prasad Bismil, who held Ashfaq as his younger brother. Their letters and account of those years can bring tears to our eyes. They all saw Hindus and Muslims as One People, One Race. From 1857 to 1870, more than ONE LAKH Hindus and Muslims were executed by British.

Each day hundreds were sent to gallows in Delhi alone. And Chatterjee makes a mockery of all that. The characters..Jivananad, Bhavanand, Mahendra and Satyananda are all fake…’jahaan woh musalmaan ka gaaon dekhte use aag ke havaale kar dete’ (wherever they found a Muslim village they would set it afire, kill all).

Read the translation in Hindi if you don’t know Bangla and the novel is full of words like Mlechhca, Haramkhor, Suar about ordinary Muslims. The killing of Muslims is the aim and arrival of British is their hour of glory. What kind of a revolution is this? An intense hate of Muslims coupled with an admiration for the WHITE RACE or what? That was why leaders like Subhas Chandra Bose opposed the song. This novel and the song is a betrayal to all that our martyrs and freedom fighters stood for.

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If someone finds Vande Matram offending to muslims, the Azaan is offending to all the non-muslims because it clearly rejects gods of other and calls loudly that Allah (a pagan god) is the only god.

As far as secularism is concerned, it is like jiski laathi uski bhains..Muslims use violence to settle issue so anything offending them is banned in the name of secularism. The christians use international pressure to get their thing done..that is another brand of secularism.

Sikhs are insignificant minority thus ignored..and hindus are taken for granted..

The Indian brand of secularism is nothing but a cruel joke meant for political purposes only.

Manohar,
You better behave else…. We had enough of your BS..

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Good Morning.

OK. I see the point from your perspective and agree to a large extent. There could be problem though – we will be confronted with – how dare you interfere in our personal matters.

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I do not think it is part of Arabic culture or even Saudi culture.

The reason for which Sikhs were made grow their hair is no more valid today.

Wearing of turbans has nothing to do with any religion – they part of one’s attire all over to protect one’s head.

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Rajeev, Ashish,

First the beard. Mohammed Salim, the student, felt so aggrieved and his religious beliefs and practices so challenged by the Christian management that he approached the supreme court.

Justice Katju, the great secularist, said, “we cannot allow beards and burquas because, ‘We don’t want to have Talibans in the country’.”

There were howls of protests by Muslim fundamentalists and also secular muslims, but the loudest protests and condemnations came from the pseudo secular Hindus.

Salim was asked to go back to the school clean-shaven.

But, soon afterwards, the same maha secular Justice Katju appologised to the Muslim community and the SC reversed the judgement granting Mohammed Salim and others of his ilk to the right to defy school orders and sport beards if they like.

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ashish ravi and shan,

Bankim Chandra Chaterjee sowed the seed of communalism first in that era with his novel ‘Anand Math’. This novel is popularly known as the foundational text of Indian Nationalism, which in fact was Hindu Nationalism. The establishment of British rule in India was a prolonged process involving piecemeal conquest and consolidation. Needless to say this process produced discontent, resentment and resistance at every stage. Disposed Rajas, Nawabs or uprooted Zamindars and landlords often led a series of rebellions during the first 100 years of British rule. Peasants, ruined artisans, demobilized soldiers and discontented people formed the backbone of the rebellion. These rebellions were generally localised involving armed bands of a few hundreds to several thousands. The civil rebellions began as British rule was gradually established in Bengal and Bihar and occurred in area after area as it was incorporated into colonial rule. There was hardly any year without an armed rebellion in one part of the country or other. From 1763 to 1856 there were more than forty major and hundreds of minor rebellions. Dispossessed peasants and demobilised soldiers of Bengal were the first to rise.

One of the major rebellions was the sanyasi rebellion of Bengal, which was depicted first in the history book by Bankim Chandra Chaterjee in Anand Math. This is the background from where a clear divide between the Hindus and Muslims in Bengal began. This is the same novel in which Vande Mataram appears, which the Indian nationalists chose to sing in praise of their nation, came from the tradition of mythologizing a fictive imagined nation personified as a goddess. The fact that the novel and the context of the anthem were overtly anti-Muslim and treated them as a separate nation, and that the invocation of the deities, Durga, Kali and Lakshmi ran counter to the secular credentials. This was basically meant to instil inspiration in the Hindu populace to work for the destruction of the Muslim rule in Bengal.

The hero of the novel, Bhawananda is an ascetic. He recruits men for his mission. He meets a youth, Mahender. He then tries to explain him the meaning of Vande Mataram and warns him that unless the Muslims are banished from the Indian soil, his faith shall be in constant danger. Mahender asks him if he would face the Muslims alone. Bhanwanand replies asking would not the 30 crore voices with 60 crore swords in both their arms be enough for the mission. (vide the third stanza of Vande Mataram) When Mahender is not satisfied even then, Bhawanand takes him to Anand Math (the title of the novel). The Brahmachari of the Math takes Mahender inside the Math. The Math is half-illuminated with a narrow entrance. He enters the Math where he sees a big idol of Vishnu flanked by Lakshmi and Saraswati on either side. The Brahmachari introduces it to Mahender as the Mata and asks him to say Vande Mataram. He then takes him to another room where a magnificent idol of goddess Durga is kept. Here the Brahmachari prays the goddess chanting: “we worship ye, O Mata Durga, who posses ten hands. Ye are the Lakshmi whose abode is lotus. Ye are the bestower of knowledge.” (Vide the fourth stanza) Now Mahender receives the inspiration and takes a pledge.[1]

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Eagerly waiting for the next year’s Kingfisher calender which is going to be
the best ever. They don’t have money to even buy bikinis for models.

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Mohan,

your wish is fulfilled. Here is a “preview” of the calendar:

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J&K Pastor arrested..
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Jammu and Kashmir Police have arrested a pastor of the All India Saints Church following allegations against him of converting several Muslim youth to Christianity, officials said today.

Pastor C M Khanna was arrested from his residence in the church premises in Ram Munshi Bagh area here late last night after he was named in a case relating to alleged conversions, they said.

Charges under Sections 153-A and 295-A of the RPC were registered against him in the local police station last evening, they said.
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http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=741950

Where are the opponents of communal fanatisicm or is that all a callous political fraud ????????

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The Liberal Position on Religious Conversions.

1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS – no matter from which religion into which religion.

2. Religion is a personal matter if one, out of self-will wishes to change then that should be no one else’s business.

3. As for the current controversy is concerned – “forced conversions of Kashmiri Muslims through allurements”. If these are indeed FORCED conversions then I am against them and have no hesitation in condemning them.

However, I do recognise the mischievous intent of the Hindu Fundo’s who have posted these provocative posts.

जगत जलंदा राख ले, अपनी किरपा धार,

जित दुआरे उब्रेह तेते ले उभार.

Vande Matram.

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When the Rajasthan Police open fire in Congress Party governed state in a communal riot and kill only Muslims , then it is a non -event , to be forgotten , for the champions of Indian secularisism and the National Minorities Commission.
When an exhibition of the Ahmedia Muslims is ransacked by the Wahabis then it is a non -event , to be forgotten , for the champions of Indian secularisism and the National Minorities Commission.
When a Christian Pastor C M Khanna (or his ancestors) converted from Hinduism to Christianity , it was an event to be celebrated. When Pastor Khanna as part of the his evangelisation programme decided to convert some Muslims, then it is a Penal offence for the Indian secularists. In their view Missionaries have a Right to convert Hindus but not Muslims.
With such double standards how do the Indian Secularists and the National Minorities Commission in particular, expect all sections in the country to treat them as honest and credible.

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VIJAY KUMAR HAS READING AGE OF 4 MONTHS

For others this is what I said.

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The Liberal Position on Religious Conversions.

1. NO FORCED CONVERSIONS – no matter from which religion into which religion.

2. Religion is a personal matter if one, out of self-will wishes to change then that should be no one else’s business.

3. As for the current controversy is concerned – “forced conversions of Kashmiri Muslims through allurements”. If these are indeed FORCED conversions then I am against them and have no hesitation in condemning them.

However, I do recognise the mischievous intent of the Hindu Fundo’s who have posted these provocative posts.

जगत जलंदा राख ले, अपनी किरपा धार,

जित दुआरे उब्रेह तेते ले उभार.

Vande Matram.

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इशरत केसः गुजरात पुलिस पर चलेगा हत्या का मुकदमा

another feather in the cap of modi.off course gujrat is different.

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@ Vinod Sharmaji

As a youngster wanting to know the basics of democracy… I was looking forward to a reply on my ten crore question. Well the question has been flagged off !!

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Zardari may be corrupt and not liked by majorities of fanatic pakistanis but if you see him from Indian point of view, he is the least anti-India politician in pakistan.

India should try to help him out indirectly in whatever way possible. He is definitely much better than English speaking Jamat-e-Islami Imran Khan.

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So are we going to give priority to encounter cases based on Religion.

You want muslims to be treated with kid gloves..The muslims have been involved in many terrorist incidents in Gujarat..However police is wrong in liquidating them by illegal means. After all Human rights of terrorists especially muslims are far more important than victims.

Kyon..Osama ki biwi?

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first of all they had no arms.hence they could be easil aprehended.then why police killed.reason to get award and promotion.
dont forget modi was tea boy of a roadside restraunt in gujrat.so he is very myopic only hyped by media.this game was goining on advise of rss.amit shah is another example.why he was bailed i dont understand.

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@ Ravi, Engirch, kasab, Zawhari, Vikas yadav, manu Sharma, Raja and similar T U R D S

Vijay Kumar ko pakadna mushkil hi nahi namumkim hai !

Ab Vijay Kumar aisi scheme bana raha hai ke thum sab ek hi tapoo mein ek dusre ki company mein rahoge. Fir audience, Engrich ko request karegi ki woh RaV1 ke liye ek special gaana gaye…

” Tu cheez badi hai mast mast,
Tu cheez badi hai mast… ”

HAHAHAHHAHA !!! AHHAHAHHA HAHAHAHA

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bjp is gang of mentally retarted people.cannot win any election without organizing communal riots.rss is the biggest centre of sodomy in india.

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Is it a Islamic practice that you indulge in?

Why did it hurt you if I praised India friendly Zardari? Looks like you are a pakistani..Looks like mask just slipped.

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Change in Pakistan?

There is hardly any body in the world who does not wish to see – the rogue state – Pakistan change its ways.

The difference lies in the medicine each of us believe will do the job.

There are quite a few in India, and dare I say some also in the US who would say lets Nuke them.

Our own children’s correspondent from Khapistan believes that we should walk in and steal their Nukes. He has even volunteered to hold the Waga gates open until our brave soldiers return, with the booty contained in a paper bag made from a recycled old edition of Samna.

The same correspondent and his empty headed konkoni assistant, would like India to further divide Pakistan, in this yet unproven and illogical hope, that such division will render Pakistan into a weak irrelevancy. Repercussions on India of such an act are often ignored.

Some also hope that US will one day ignore geopolitics, realise the duplicity of the PAK Army and stop propping it up with unnecessary aid.

All of the above are either impractical or unlikely to deliver the prize India wants.

Yet I am of the opinion that the present status quo cannot last and sooner or later will change.

My view is that the only durable change will come when the Pakistan Public decides that enough is enough and revolt against the military regime.

India and the US have to bite their lip and wait until such an uprising takes place and then help the revolutionaries achieve their objective.

I hear khappi asking why this has more chances of happening and succeeding than any of the other propositions do.

Since the WWII no country has been Nuked and is unlikely to.

Countries that have been divided since then have been loose federations or idelogically divided countries, such as Korea, Yogoslavia, etc.

However, people power has changed, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, etc.

The memo can also be viewed in this context. Perhaps the Civil Government is trying to measure the magnitude of support it is likely to get from the US, if it decided to encourage the public to take to the streets.

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The army/ISI has demanded Haqanni’s resignation and trial for sedition on charges of complicity in drafting the memo that was delivered to Mr Mullen, requesting an ‘American fist’ on the general’s table. It would not surprise me if he is tried and set to prison sentence. The media and public, instead of questioning the thug criminal Pak army/ISI ’s actions of making such demands on the democratically elected civilian government has trained its fire on the civilian administration.
That kind of thinking only reflects the criminal Pak pro-army/isi/jihadi propoganda that you see shameless thugs from Ravi to Engrich make to defile these blogs.

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Totally irrelevant remark and in extremely bad taste. I would suggest that you stop using such language, as it is more a reflection on you than your intended target.

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Ravi,

“” My view is that the only durable change will come when the Pakistan Public decides that enough is enough and revolt against the military regime “”

Manohar,

“” The only silver lining at the moment is that a section of the establishment there is pressing for increased trade with India. It will benefit them more than us.”"

Why should we do something which will benefit them . Pakistan
public will revolt against their government/military when they
will feel completly hopless. Here I will reiterate — you both may not agree — that complete boycott of Pakistan will expediate this process and public revolt which will eventually happen.

”

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~~~ BREAKING NEWS ~~~ FOUR SIDED HIJRA DISCOVERED !!!!! ~~~~~
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HT News: Tue-22-11

At all blog mates. A huge mystery of the Cosmos has been unravelled!! A four sided Hijra was discovered. The origins of the Hijra can be traced to the training camps of Al Zawhari and Osama. And the college degree IT has is from WCJ — Wahabbi College of Jehad.

The four sided Hijra looks different from various sides.
Side A– Tajendra,
Side B– Engrich
Side C– Ram Autar
Side D– Ravi

Proof of them being the same and one Hijra can be found in the last blog where Ravi accidently lets the mask slip and calls Engirch as Ram Autar !!

Proof of them being one and the same thing can be found in matching thought processes ! ! !

Proof of them being all mutants but one can be found in their intentions of hurting India and injuring Hindus !!!!

Proof of them being all same can be found in their mutual cooing and love sounds… !!!!!

Detective Vijay Kumar is willing to bet the last fake counterfiet dollar and rupee printed in the ISI press in Muridke manned by Ravi that

All four are without Ling..
they are all. one and the same thing..

HAHAHHAHHHAA !! HA HAHA !! HA HAHAH !!!HAAAAHHAHHAAAA

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Manohar,

Whatever we do Pakistan will never consider India
as a friend. India should use diplomacy and its current economic power and force other countries
to boycott Pakistan. It will hurt them eventually.
Smuggled goods will cost them heavely and everything cannot be smugled.
If I am not wrong Libya bowed down because of
complete boycott by most of the countries and paid
USD 2.7 billion as a compensation to victims of
airplane blowup. Highest comensation ever :
USD 10 million per person.

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“Advantages’ of Appointing Dr.Fahmida Mirza (Speaker National Assembly) as President of Pakistan.”

With the scenario of treason charges and bad performance of Mr. Zadora as the president of Pakistan and deteriorating economic condition of the state as well as total collapse of all institutions and departments of the Government due to corruption and mismanagement and as the personality of President itself has become a liability for the state and also for his party due to his previous record, there is need to replace him with a personality who can repair the damage caused by Mr. Zardari to the state and nation.
If we see around there is one personality of Dr. Fahmida Mirza, who was elected as the first female Speaker of the National Assembly of Pakistan on March 19, 2008 and is also the first female parliamentary speaker in the Muslim world, could be appointed as a replacement for Zardari as President of Pakistan, even at present she acts as President of Pakistan in the absence of President.
There will be following advantages for her appointment as president of Pakistan.
1) She has already experience of working as acting president of Pakistan, and also has great experience of Parliament as member of national assembly about three times.
2) She has a strong background in politics and belongs from a political family of very dedicated and famous politicians.
3) She is highly educated and well experienced, and is able to survive the post of Speaker national assembly even in the event of serious tussle between her husband and her political party.
4) Being a woman she will give a good and moderate image of Pakistan to world as compared to bad image created by Mr.Zardari.
5) She is highly respected by all the political parties in the national assembly.
6) Her appointment as President will be highly beneficial for Pakistan and for People of Province of Sindh and PPP, as Mr. Zardari have given a very bad image to Pakistan and for People of Province of Sindh and PPP and have become a black scar for them.
7) Fortunately her husband Mr. Zulfiqar Mirza have become a very strong figure in national and provincial politics due to his sacrifice in preventing and countering target killing in Karachi, in comparison to deceptive and wicked politics and policies of Mr. Zardari. More over personality of Dr.Fahmida is more graceful and sober even than Benazir Bhutto.
9) Her appointment as president can neutralized aggressive designs of other nations against Pakistan and internally can stabilized the state and institutions due to political unrest and distress in the different sections of society, and can prevent the total destruction of national political Party(PPP).
Written by: M.AKRAM

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Salient features of the UPA’s war against terror
G K Pillai former Union Home Secretary ( all through under UPA) has come on record that Ishrat Jahan was a terrorist. That the LET website had shown her as a martyr, which they later removed. That the IB had given inputs to the Govt of Gujarat that she was a terrorist.
That in the Sohrabuddin case the Union Home Ministry had first filed an Affidavit that he was Terrorist. They subsequently withdrew it and filed a fresh affidavit that they had no information that he was Terrorist. We ask was any action taken against the officials who processed and filed the first Affidavit? Presuming that the second Affidavit was correct.

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Dear Manohar,

I must appreciate your sentiments that yield a sensible mind who can wisely foresee serious repercussions that could follow. This would add nothing more then disappointment and unstable geo-political situation between the relationships of two subcontinental siblings. I for one would rather like to take a course where we should wait, watch and then proceed. The reason for that is the unstable state of Pakistan who is confronting both home grown as well as foreign aided militancy in its regions. Much of the influx has to come from its western side. So first it has to restore long oriented peace, law and order situation inside, functioning of institutions inside then enter into a phase of promises, diplomatic and economic channels with its neighbours (especially India).

“My view is that if it helps them more, perhaps they will realize the value of friendship and living peacefully with the neighbours.”

Sir, in return to your above quote I would like to say that ordinary Pakistani citizens like me would not like to turn down any handshake of peace and friendship offered from India and in return would always value it. But then again the interpretation can vary when it reaches in the hands of higher powers who dictate foreign policy and national security issues. I would restrict myself beyond that as I don’t represent that class.

Thank you for your optimistic approach, would look forward for your remarks.

Usman
Pakistan

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The whole world knows Paksiatn duplicity, its breeding of worldwide jehadism, its repeated torpedoing of India’s peace initiatives etc. Wiorld also knows how india, with all its problems, has growhn into an important player through democracy, while pakustan is in abyss through corrupt military.

We should not spebnd a single minute on them until they have a military or civilian govt who can make decisions and abide by them.

Denuking of course is the ideal solution so tat we can forget about the trecherous place once and for all; however US would have done it if it was easy.

They have assisted Iran and orth Korea; they will give “dirty” bombs to JeT etc in their blind hatred of India.
It is a “fu..d up” country top to bottom — a Pakistani participant in a US meeting I recently attended told me 1) the news about India growth is a Western propaganda 2) Why would India let me travel out 3) it must be tough to live under the draconian Hindu rule of India.. The brainwash is complete; it will take decades to undo.

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” India should try to help him out indirectly in whatever way possible. He is definitely much better than English speaking Jamat-e-Islami Imran Khan ”

Rajeev,

What actions of Imran (in the context of India) make you believe Zardari is a better option. Please elaborate.

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sorry this is against bstrd who has written this.in last blog he insulted my prophet.i will fk his mthr if i find.
he does this usually.
regarding pakistan,pakistan is not a soveriegn country.this is controlled by americans.their president has to do what they want.
so why unnessarily blame.
in india rss is their local agent they helping cia to unfold their plan.

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Usman bhai welcome. Since everyone agrees that Pakistan is one of most dangerous country in world, it is natural to TRY and divide it, whole world will then breathe easy. This is not personal against you, if more like you, Fasi Zaka, Ansar Burneys etc were around_ then there wud be no problem.
India has chance, small chance to breakaway Balochstan, and shud capitalise on it. Even if we do not bresk it away, we can at least make Pakistani jehadis and ISI think twice in future. SO PLEASE USMAN, DONT TAKE IT PERSONAL, everyone wants it , US, europe, india, israel

sorry yr question as to why Zardari is better than Imran is childish, Zardari has NEVER been aggressive towards india. SIMPLE. Imran has. Looking forward to yr response

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Vijay Kumar, Vinoo, Mohan, Sanjay,

When the **** uses capitals in bold and says HINDOO FUNDOO, he is fake Ravi. When the **** uses brahmnst, zionst, jewsh and thows in deliberate spelling mistakes, he is RamAutar/Tajender/engrich/vermin/**** etc..

All are jihadi terrorists spewing anti-India, anti-Hindu garbage. Most reprehensible being 5000 dalit rapes every day in India by upper caste Hindus.

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mantaq muslim countries are providing employment to 2 crores hindus.

as per international pakistanis are more happier than indian.

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Manohar

And Pakistan Army believes (rightly or wrongly) that India is an existential threat to Pakistan and that perception governs its behaviour.

How do you suppose that this mis-perception can be changed.

US that used to buy this scenario, no longer buys it whole-sale. It is encouraging the Civilian Authorities to chip away at this and trade is just the start.

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RAVAN WAS NOT HIJRA.he kidnapped sita.

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India should make pakistan weak internally by strengthening Balochis and Sindhis and at the same time bring Afghanistan in Indian orbit..then we will have pakistani punjabis isolated who will be regularly blown up by miffed Balochis, Sindhis and Pathans.

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Many TV journalists defended Rahul’s remark calling it metaphor or slip of tongue. Today Rahul Gandhi defended his remark saying that whenever he speaks to a beggar in Delhi, they tell him they are from UP. Now here are some question-
1. Rahul enjoys Z plus security so their is no chance of his interacting with beggars of delhi unless it is election time.
2. I guess during Bihar election, rahul gandhi claimed that most of the beggars in delhi came from Bihar.
3. Rahul made beggar statement in relation of UP people going to Maharashtra. Now he has added Delhi to the list. His grandfather who hailed from Allahabad went to Delhi. Does that mean he too was beggar.

Rahul is proving to be a total ******. This guy keeps making this type of statements and poor Congressmen have no choice but to defend him.

I have full sympathies for Congressmen doing the dirty job.

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Here is something for the RSS/BJP trolls to chew about.

This is what the print edition of The Economic Times dated 22-11-2011 said.

History Lessons

Though the grand finale of the BJP’s state-wide twin yatras in UP didn’t exactly end on a high last week, party leader Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi chose the occasion to treat the audience to his special perspective on history and politics. Launching an attack on the ‘family-rule culture of the Congress’ and those who help sustain ‘the dynasty’, Naqvi ‘reminded’ the audience how the Gandhi family and its supporters “sabotaged the emergence of Sardar Patel as the natural Prime Minister after the death of Nehru only to help Indira Gandhi become the Prime Minister”.

His bold show of warping history and an even bolder attempt to kill Nehru off before Patel died, one presumes, must have earned Naqvi an A+ from tutors(*) of wild imaginings.

* The RSS who else.
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One knows the RSS has been attempting to rewrite the history of the world to suit its agenda, but this is ………..

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Here is something for Congressi trolls to chew about-
1. Patel was selected as PM choice by 13 Pradesh Congress committees.
2. For Acharya Kriplani, 2 Pradesh comm. forwarded support.
3. Only one Pradesh Comm. supported Nehru.
4. Under pressure from Mahatma Gandhi, Patel gave his support to Nehru so that he can become PM.

This is all part of history.

Naqvi may have weaved some nonsense around the facts but basic facts don’t change.

Now Congressi trolls…your turn.

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Why is it Congressi trolls are natural allies of Jehadi elements? What joins them? Corruption, Anti-Indianism, Anti-hinduism…

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crusade on islam is started by others.we are the victims.their starting point is oilfields and finish on delivery point.

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ravi bhai,Terrorism is a political technique, not an ideology and any group willing to use violence in pursuit of its political goals may resort to it.
Did the US Empire achieve any of its strategic goals in transporting super war machines and the military and civilian death squads to Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
The United States is not fighting a “war against terror.” In reality, what the United States leadership is doing is fighting its own articulated war against the people and nations who had no animosity, nor did any perceive capability to threaten the US as a global power.reason is again same oil and gas.

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I am reading excellent book In spite of the Gods by Ed Luce, he reminds me of Gopi Thomas and Mishraji, very gud understanding of hindu and Indian civilisation at its place in world today. He said, RISE OF INDIA IS GOING TO LEAD TO MORE STABLE WORLD ORDER.

Wah, khush keeta, bhaut changee gal keeti. Everyone go out and buy this book, he is Oxford grad who was Financial Times India chief. USMAN, I WAIT YR REPLY, pl u go out and read this book, understand why Indis will become respected power, not ugly superpower.
…..Ravi, when Pakistan is divided u hv to be prepared for blowback. But dividend is long term , for thousand years. And our involvement will be sureptitous, our turn to bleed them by 100,000,000 cuts.
When bangalidesh was created, we reduced jehadi pool by 100 million. Ravi keeps talking of rogue Pak govt, implying ISI , omits to mention Islamist talebani fundoo jehad loving mindset of ?20 percent of ppl. That pool has to be kept limited.
MISHRAJI, pl come blog burns now, I will email him. Does anyone hv Gopi email, or Rizwan

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Some people here are advocating vivisection of Pakistan. How it is to be done – there is thundering silence from these advocates as to how this can be achieved.

Here are some suggestions.

1) Take a large map of Pakistan and a pair of scissors, ….

2) Take a large map of Pakistan and a marker pen, ….

3) Resurrect Sir Cyril Radcliffe and entrust the job to him.

4) Go to Wagah Border with a megaphone and tell them loud and clear – enough is enough, now divide your country into smaller parts.

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Manohar,

What i believe is weak political infrastructure has paved way for military establishment to hijack parliament and dismentle the writ of constitution. Inwardly on numerous occasions weak and inapt politicians have invited this wrath. So only strong reforms in constitution and non-military institutions can grab the bull from its horns. This would then help in curbing and accountability of any process. Whether it will serve the purpose for others or not it surely will serve the purpose for Pakistan.

Regards,
Usman

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Mr Vinod Sharma writes
“Pakistan is a land of conspiracies— imaginary and real. Much of what’s retailed by word of mouth or friendly media persons shows civilian rulers in poor light. The underlying message in the so-called “memogate” is that the men in Khaki could do no wrong, that they are the best defenders of Pakistan’s national interest.”
If that is the prevailing situation in Pakistan , does he not realize the futility of his prescription “Trust and Verify”.
There is only one prescription for India. Keep building your military might and the required part of our Economic growth has to be set aside for it.. If there is hostile action by any of our neigbours , and that threat does looms large over the country , the country shall have to look towards General V K Singh and not Montek Singh Ahluwalia. The most important determining factor for our foreign policy shall be India’s military might .

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@praveen JI, Recently back from India .more on that later.The people of India beleive THEY ARE WITHOUT A PM FOR LAST THREE YEARS.
Indian Army is a white elephant , NEVER FOUGHT ANY WAR IN LAST 40YRS KILLED MORE INDIANS THAN WHAT THE PAK AND CHINKYS EVER MANAGED TO DO.
This Army sucks so much of money , yet nothing to show COMPARE WITH SRILANKAN ARMY.
Also this Memogate shows PAK ARMY has a vice like grip on Pakistan;s foreign policy SO NOT A GREAT DEAL WILL HAPPEN.
Also the differenece between Pakistan and India in social structure , economics,science IS SO WIDE it will breed jealousy .
So INDIA NEEDS TO SPEAK BLUNT. Hand over all terrorist , sign a FRIENDSHIP TREATY , REDUCE PAK ARMY,S SIZE BY HALF FOR PAKISTAN’S BENEFIT,INDIA MOVE MOST OF ITS ARMY TO BORDER WITH CHINA

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shan do you agree that,

The new model of Project Brahmanism is to fight against corruption and population growth not against casteism, fascism, communalism, gender inequity, capitalism or anything else.Well corruption had been always a yardstick to freeze the core issues of any region. The issues I have mentioned above that I have mentioned about. The word corruption is a misnomer, for it implies that there is something called honest… capitalism. Corruption is worked into the fabric of capitalism. Sir Francis Drake made a fortune as a “privateer,” the polite word for pirate. In addition to indulging in the very lucrative slave trade, he routinely captured and ripped off French ships. One nation’s piracy was another nation’s foreign policy.

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The islamist party consolidation in egypt, renewed uprising/killings in Tahrir Square, Islamist radicals’ rise in Tunisia etc do not provide much hope for a Jefforsinian democracy in the Arab world. For all you know, Saudi Arabia may be funding all these Islamists.

Something can be done with Pakistan minus nukes. It seems even US is at wits end with them because they have nukes. A joint India-US-Israel-other countries effort to forcefully remove the nukes should eb undertaken. But it is going to be tough.

Pakistan state (whatever the “state” is), pakistan terrorists, and even some Pak politicians will use the uke against India. They openly talk about it – their political leaders (not the ones in power now), their opinion makers – I have yet to see an Indian political leader (of any party) openly advicating nuking Pak.

They openly talk about “water must flow, or blood will” regarding Bahlihar and other dams. Nawai-Waqt, a widely read paper there wanted pakistan to use uclear bombs to stop the dam projects. Abdur rehman Makki, the extremist leader, told a rally “we will let loose a river of blood if these dams block their water”..
For Pakistan, it is always bllood. Come to think of it blood, cockroach, etc is in the daily vocabulary of Pakistanis and other Muslim countries. Sadam Hussain always used to talk about killing cockroaches (enemies). Ahmanejad always uses the imagery of cockroaches, worms; Al queda and extremist leaders always talk in terms of cutting the head of the pig– obviously for a large section these imageries must be quite appealing.,

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Can Pakistan be trusted?
The question presupposes a homogeneity that is absent even in less fractured polity- with Pakistan, the assumption is not valid.
There are power groups like Army, ISI, political parties – who sometimes form a government with varying degrees of legitimacy. Are they singly or jointly, Pakistan?
What of the non-state actors? What of those who thought the killer of Salman Taseer was a national hero? What about those who did not dare attend his funeral, far less condemn the killing? Are they Pakistan?
What about those in the Pakistani media- who, at great risk to life, hold a mirror up to the horror that is Pakistan? Are they Pakistan?
Which one of the above “Pakistan”s is winning?

Next question, what can you do about it; assuming you are an Indian?
Build our own country and hope to put such a distance between us and them- in all socio-economic, miltitary and cultural areas- so that the world finds it much more in its self-interest to deal with us in preference to Pakistan.

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Pakistan has many faces, some dominant one and some marginal.
1. Army – Is the supreme decision taking body.
2. ISI – Dirty work department of pakistan.
3. ISI with embedded Armymen – These are involved in training and logistical support for foot soldiers.
4. Foot soldiers – These can be Armymen in disguise or Civilian Jehadis.
5. Army-ISI-Terror Groups nexus – LeT is best example of this co-operation.
6. Religious parties – These parties keep the hate pot boiling calling for killing of Hinood-Yahood-Amrikan..Engrich is product of this hate.
7. Political leadership – This is the least important face of pakistan. It tows the line of first 6 based on circumstances and is disposed off by Army-ISI at will.

India can never achieve any peace deal with Pakistan because there is no central authority with which it can negotiate any deal. None of the institutions in pakistan can be trusted with honoring any deal (Shimla agreement is best example).

So India should start thinking pragmatically about Pakistan PROBLEM and stop deluding itself about everlasting peace with this neighbor. Pakistan has been successful in creating an internal pakistan within India that is causing India to weaken within. The elements like Engrich and Ravi are product of such initiative from Pakistan.

1. Cutting off Financial funding
India should work on cutting off funding system for Pakistan. It’s a huge task but India can work on it using its growing economic clout. The US govt. is unwilling to fund Pakistan and Chinese for all that tall talks have never helped pakistan in any big way financially. India needs to work on China front so that it can move away from Pakistan. Then the third actor Saudi needs to be managed and I am sure using Pakistan-Iran nuclear co-operation facts-propaganda, Saudi can be moved away from Pakistan with the help of US.

2. Helping Separatists
India should start helping Balochistan indirectly thru Nortern alliance in Afghanistan. The Mohajirs are most suppressed people who have been denied their share. We can use their anger in our favor and keep Karachi unstable (financial capital). If we develop good relations with Afghanistan (Pashtuns), it can help us with indirect influence in NWFP. These pathans can be used tactically in various parts of Pakistan.

3. Develop pro-India political/Intelligence assets in Pakistan
Paksitanis just like Indians are corrupt people. India should buy politicians and intelligence officers who are willing to sell their services. RAW should be reactivated and for next 5 years we should develop internal India within pakistan.

4. Pro-India propaganda
In the border areas, India should air anti-pak propganda and bombard pakistani airwaves with Indian programs and propaganda. We should use Bollywood with precision to propogate our points across the border.

5. Keep Pakistan dry and flooded when desired

6. Start hunting down pakistani assests in India and start liquidating them circumventing the law. These people should be treated as faceless terrorists. The RAW should monitor facebook, twitter, blogs etc. and start identifying elements like Engrich and Ravi. These people may be Indian or Pakistanis. If they are Indians and in India, they should be tracked down and dealt with. If they are outside India, their travel documents should be identified and they should be put on watchlist. RAW needs to start working again.

What I mean to say is that there is no need for direct war with Pakistan. We need to activate low-intensity proxy-war against pakistan and at the same time work on minimising pakistan’s penetration in India.

Our biggest weakness is that we are willing to trust Pakistan(s)..none of which can be trusted. Another weakness is defensive govt. that wants to treat muslims differently. Pakistan is using same muslims for terror purposes knowing fully well that current UPA govt. for the sake of muslim vote bank will not go after their assets wholeheartedly. On 26/11, all the 10 muslim terrorist were wearing Hindu threads to deceive investigating agency. They know fully well that Indian investigating agencies have been briefed by UPA govt. to go after hindus sparing muslims. Once the UPA govt. is out, we will know real truth from Investigating officers working under pressure.

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To much of Pakistan is not good for health. Guys I am changing the subject,

During the debate on inflation in parliament our PM said,

12 saal pehle 1 samosa 50 paise mein milta tha or ek mobile call
8 Rs cost karta tha. Aur aaj 1 mobile call 50 paise ka hai and
ek samosa Rs 8 ka .

MAHANGAI BADI NAHIN, BAS IDHAR UDHAR HO GAYI HAI.

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After Parliament washout, Anna Hazare calls for healthy debates

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_after-parliament-washout-anna-hazare-calls-for-healthy-debates_1616479

The washout of the first two days of the Winter session of Parliament did not escape the attention of Anna Hazare, who said today there should be “healthy” debates between Government and the Opposition.

Hazare, who has threatened to resume his agitation if the Lokpal Bill is not passed in the current session itself, also noted there are a lot of issues before Parliament.

“In the Parliament, healthy debates must happen between the Opposition and the Government,” he told reporters at his native village in Maharashtra.

“New debates and discussions give birth to new ideas. Thorough debates on issues must take place for a strong and effective democracy to function,” the 74-year-old anti-corruption crusader said.

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My impressions of calcutta nov 2011(probably applies to rest of india)
Massive reduction in beggars, ? NREGA at work. Many used to be from NORTH BIHAR after the floods, nitish kumar must be doing a good job. The traffic signals EVERYWHERE has transformed the traffic flow , which is mind bogglingly smooth.
Metro has been expanded massively , with a stretch coming to airport. AIRPORT IS A BIG DISSAPPOINTMENT, but i beleive A new one is coming up.
CORRUPTION IS ALIVE AND KICKING WELL.The tie donning officer in HSBC bank was unbeleivably helpful.Then it transpired THERE IS NOTHING CALLED A FREE LUNCH, forced me to buy some investment schemes (read bribe by back door)
ALL THE BANKING PROCEEDURE ARE LIGHT YEARS BEHIND UK

NOW this for the THREE IDIOTS OF THIS BLOG , MISHRA, BALLS BHONDHU, AND VIJAY BUILDER MAFIA who misses no chance to lecture the west on morality.
The maid in the house i was putting up with was only 17yrs. She has been abandoned by her husband after impregnating the poor girl. She was apparently like a refugee from somalia , skin and bone , till rescued by the people i was putting up with.
NOW THE HUSBAND WANTS TO DIVORCE ,APPARENTLY HE HAS HIS NEXT WIFE LINED UP

Also college lecturerurs now earn 50 000 Rs /month , a school teacher gets 30 000.
Which is fine , BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POOR GIRL AND THEIR LOT , this is classical petit bourgoise .SKIMMIMG OFF THE CREAM

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Vivisection of Pakistan – A Plan by B V Shenoy (CEO of Glamorous Vivisections)

1. Create a dream in the minds of Baloch’s, which centres around that life will be better outside Pakistan than it is in it. – 60% already done.

2. By long-term strategic infiltration – create a sense of resentment based on belief that Balochs are not getting there fair share of the country’s resources. 60% already done

3. Precipitate a large demonstration – supported by eSocialMedia. 10% done

4. Fund the main demonstrators so that it becomes a sustained agitation. A Bloch Anna Hazare could come in handy to give the movement a face. Work in progress.

5. Pakistani Army, will undoubtedly crack-down on the demonstrators and substantial casualties will take place. Dead Cert

6. Jaish-e-Mohamed, will take advantage of the mayhem and will kill a few Shia’s in Karachi. Dead Cert

7. Shia’s will retaliate and ask for help from Iran. Dead Cert

8. Iran will arm Baloch’s and India will also supply arms from its strategic position in Afghanistan. 50% Done

9. Pakistan Army, to divert the attention from this real problem, will put its army on alert and will blame India for meddling in its internal affair. Excuses ready and waiting.

10. China will create a diversion on India’s Eastern Border, to make it feel insecure. Dead Cert.

11. Patriotic songs will fill the airways and Religious Fundos will start making fiery speeches and the atmosphere in Pakistan will become more than normally anti-India. Probabale.

12. Pakistan Army will take over the Government of Pakistan and dismiss the civil administration. Dead Cert.

13. Pakistan will move a few divisions of soldiers to their Eastern Border, and Bloch’s will cease their protest because they will be asked to respond as patriots. Very likely

14. India will perceive the threat of war and would in retaliation put its Army in War Footing. Dead Cert.

15. U.S will ask for restraint. Not as vociferously as it used to, would ask UK to lead a secret Diplomatic mission. Very likely.

16. After a few weeks of diplomacy, both armies will retreat to peace positions. Dead Cert.

17. Bloch’s would be left wondering what hit them. Has happened before.

18. B V Shenoy will say, had Sardar Patel not died before Nehru, and had Indira Gandhi not returned the POWs etc. etc. and had Modi been the loh purush we would have further partitioned Pakistan. Dead Cert

19. Life would return to normal. What else.

20. RajeevS will change a few words of this plan and for the 250,000th time ask me to Shut Up, call me; Jihadi, Osam’s Wife, son of a Randi Mother who shagged a white man, Terrorist. I will still ignore him.

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