What Makes Moby Tick?



It’s not often that I think of choosing an album by Moby to listen to but when I do, it is usually Play, his hit album from 1999 that has a hint of melancholia but is otherwise quite upbeat electronica.

Moby was one of the first djs to make it in the mainstream music market

Moby was one of the first djs to make it in the mainstream music market

Tracks from Play include Honey, Find My Baby and the sad Why Does My Heart Feel So Bad? I haven’t really been a great fan of Moby—I find some of his music repetitive (not surprising considering his roots as a DJ who made a name as a dance and rave music exponent)—but Play is an album that I sometimes like to, er, play, in the car during a commute or on a tired flight. The ambient nature of electronic music is soothing and Play, especially, works for me.

Still, I’m not overly into dance or electronica. Unless you’re at a rave party, the genres can get monotonous. But Moby bucks that trend. Moby was born Richard Melville Hall and got nicknamed after the novel his great-great grand uncle, Herman Melville, wrote. Moby could probably be credited with giving DJs a face. Back in the early 1990s, DJs were face-less characters with little more than word of mouth among loyal fans at the clubs they played to spread the word about their talents. Moby was one of the first DJs to make it in the mainstream music market—something that found him, in equal measure, fans who admired him as well as critics who thought he had sold out.

Besides Play, I’ve had my Moby albums—18, Hotel and the eponymous, Moby, which is also the first album he recorded in 1992—for a while but it’s not often that I reach for them. I did last week after I heard the recording of a stupendous concert by Moby in Berlin on June 26 this year. Reaching into his not insubstantial repertoire of songs, Moby and his band—many of whom are Europeans, including the highly talented British singer, Joy Malcolm—played 22 songs for nearly two hours and the result makes it the best ever Moby recording that I have heard.

As well as some of his more popular tracks (including the three I mentioned at the beginning), there were new ones and more than one surprise. The first of these was a stunning cover of song by post-punk legends Joy Division, called New Dawn Fades, which, if you hear in isolation, you’ll never realise that it’s being performed by Moby. It’s a song that Joy Division’s residual band, New Order (formed after their former band-mate Ian Curtis committed suicide), never performed after Curtis’s death in 1980, till a few years back when they toured with Moby and, as he says before playing the song, he persuaded them to do so along with him.

Moby’s version of New Dawn Fades is so stellar a rendition and so ‘un-electronic’ that it left me wondering how versatile the man was. Then I learnt about Moby’s brief departure from electronica for an interlude during which he made a guitar-rock alternative album called Animal Rights in the mid-nineties. I haven’t heard that album and always held off buying it because every reviewer I have read has given it two stars or less! Now, after listening to his Joy Division cover, I’m thinking of getting hold of it and making up my own mind.


After Animal Rights, Moby came back to what he does best, electronica and dance music, and Play, the album I mentioned before, resurrected his career. But let’s get back to the second surprise on the live recording of his performance in June that I heard last week. It was a totally unexpected version of Neil Young’s Helpless. Sung by soul singer, Joy Malcolm, this version of Young’s song was another eye-opener to Moby’s wide-ranging talents.

Moby’s latest album, Wait for Me, came out the same month (June) that he performed in Berlin so it’s no surprise that many tracks from there made the cut to his playlist. Ten years after Play, Wait for Me has been getting rave reviews from most quarters and is, indeed, a fine album. And, after listening to his Berlin concert recording, it’s an album that’s doing the rotation on my current playlist. Incidentally, if you want the Berlin recording, the entire 1 hour and 45-minute mp3 is available for download, free and legally at NPR’s website.

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  • Gibreel

    Paul Van Dyk described this genre as ‘Electronic Dance Music’. Essentially covering Progressive trance, PVD is a GOD to many. An post about his music would be amazing to read.

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  • Gibreel

    Paul Van Dyk described this genre as ‘Electronic Dance Music’. Essentially covering Progressive trance, PVD is a GOD to many. A post about his music would be amazing to read.

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    Varun Reply:

    Yup right… and do review Tiesto’s new album kaliedoscope…

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  • http://www.anmolnair.tk Anmol Nair

    I liked your blogs in Download Central.
    Thanks for giving me information of Dj Moby new album Wait For Me.
    I’m an immense fan of him when I heard his fabulous album named PLAY.
    Thanks A Lot Sanjoy
    TakeCare

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    Sanjoy Narayan Reply:

    Hey, thanks for the comment. Yes Play is a classic.

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  • udita

    im big fan of your article every sunday i wait for your article to come my favourite was one you written on ost songs u rocks

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    Sanjoy Narayan Reply:

    Udita, thank you for your comment. glad you liked the OST column.

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  • Anjali Dawar

    I quite liked the intended pun in the post header.

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    Sanjoy Narayan Reply:

    Thanks, Anjali. That was the Brunch team’s headline

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    A very correct analysis.

    It is plain for all to see that Arvind Kejriwal has become a megalomaniac with total disregard for parliamentary procedures. He thinks that he has solutions to all the problems. The fact is the movement has one point agenda – Parliament must pass their version of the Jan Lokpal bill, nothing less would do., as if it is going to solve all the country’s problems.

    Earlier, Ms. Bedi had made that ludicrous statement – Anna is India, India is Anna. Indira Gandhi, anyone?

    Now Kejriwal states that Anna is above the parliament and has all the rights to pressurise it. What he conveniently forgets to state that collectively we are above the Parliament and not individually.

    Tomorrow, he may go around saying that Anna is even above the President of India and has all the “rights” to dictate terms to the nation – parliament, executive, judiciary and what have you. Ayatollah, anyone?

    His campaign only against the Congress Party is surely to settle scores.

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    engrich Reply:

    anna is rss agent.be aware of him.he is unfolding their agenda.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Friends;
    My humble tribute to Jagjit Singh, who introduced me to Gazals. I had been hearing Gazals before but it was on certain occasions only and all that changed, when I heard jagjit. Like his countless admirers, i will miss him for ever.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ pankaj

    Absolutely right… an emotional moment for all of us lovers of his voice…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj/Vijay

    Jagjit Singh will be missed by all those people who love gazals.

    Sab kuch maang liya khuda se
    Tujhko maang kar
    Ab uthte nahin ye haath mere
    is dua ke baad .

    Very sad day indeed.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mohan;
    A very appropriate thing you said.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Pankaj

    I always had his CD’s in my car. Whenever the mood arose… for me Jagjit was the king. Whether it was

    “woh kagaz ki kishti woh baarish ka paani…’

    Or

    ‘thum itna kyon muskaraa rahe ho….

    A sentimental day for me.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @vijay_kumar
    Kagaz ki kashti was my favourite too. I think it was his best. His voice was flawless but his life a study in choppy waters.
    May his soul rest in peace. He’d live forever in the music he has left behind.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Absolutely right!! After a long time.. we have managed to totally agree on something.

    Just proves that while politics divides, music unites people!

    Yes, may his soul rest in peace..

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan and Pankaj

    I always had his CD’s in my car. Whenever the mood arose… for me Jagjit was the king. Whether it was

    “woh kagaz ki kishti woh baarish ka paani…’

    Or

    ‘thum itna kyon muskaraa rahe ho….

    A sentimental day for me.

    engrich Reply:

    ghalib chutee sharab par ab bhi kabhi kabhi

    peeta hoon roze aab shabe mahtab mein.

    he popularizes ghazal he was great died early.great loss to india.

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  • Anonymous

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    ~~ ~~ TEAM ANNA MAY LOSE THE GOODWILL, THIS WAY ~~~
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    I am all for ending the all pervasive corruption in Indian life. Team Anna must be congratulated for making it a national issue.

    however they would be making a mistake in backing tainted candidates in elections.

    Bhajan Lal epitomised the worse in Congress. Money power, dynastic succession and loot. A mirror image of the Gandy parivar at the state level. His son may be in the BJP while the third candidate a Chautala product, too are not men of integrity.

    They will probably use the goodwill of team Anna by paying lip service to the Lokpal cause but in the end be as bad as Hooda, Vadra(who has vast tracts of land in haryana) and the Congress.

    Kejriwal by endorsing the wrong horses may end up giving the entire cause a bad name.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Yes Anna team should not endorse anyone as most of the politicians
    are tainted. By supporting any party they may loose the credibility. They
    should remain completly impartial.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you. Bhajan Lal, urf, Bhojan Lal, was fond of eating everything in his way like the proverbial goat. It is sad that first of all, he was admitted to BJP and then, now being supported by Anna team.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay/Pankaj,

    If I remember correctly in late seventies or early eighties one of
    Chauthala guy had barged into All India Radio studio and had thrashed or shot — I dont remember exactly – one of the news reader
    or becuase he did not like what was being said about him and his family. I just dont understand how such people are voted to power.

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    get real Reply:

    Under Congress biggest scams in the history has happened and since they are the ones responsible for holding the bill back that’s why they should rightly be targeted. Once the bill comes then rest of the corrupt can be tackled. By being anti-congress doesn’t mean endorsement of other corrupts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Bhajan Lal was a joke. But non violent compared to Chatuala family who are more corrupt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, team needs to handle with care. Chautala is no barbie doll or cinderalla. Assosciating with him will wipe out a lot of support.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji

    Subject: Disqus Application

    This for your IT department to consider.

    The new format for the comments, with all the comments appearing on one page, is causing problems – the browser takes too long to load or hangs or crashes. This problem becomes more severe as number of messages increase. For example, the previous blog as 870+ comments and it has become nigh impossible to access that blog.

    Perhaps it would be good to switch back to old format, where the number of messages were limited at a time (200 or 300 or so) page-wise.

    OR
    To introduce similar division of messages into sub-pages (200 or 300 per page) in this new format.

    I hope you would give due consideration to this.

    PS: all those who are facing similar problems – please reply to this, so that it gets attended to.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Yes you are right. I am also facing similar problem. Since I am not a
    computer savvy person, I asked my son what could be the problem and
    he told me exacly the same thing what you have mentioned in your post.
    Mr. Sharma please do something about this as sometimes it is frustrating
    to access this blog.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopiji,

    Please ignore those ‘ purists ‘ . Your contribution is very important. Though I do not
    contribute much on this blog but I visit this blog regulary and have immense respect for most of of the bloggers whose postings are not only enjoyable but
    educative also. Please dont leave.

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    engrich Reply:

    i asked gopijee why there is no ram temple in hindi speaking belt even in ayodhya.then how any muslim ruler will demolish anything like ram temple.
    why rss destroyed 4-5 years of this country for a king who is so unimportant.bombing of stock market costed india 80billion which now will be 800billions.what actually they wanted.

    he never awnsered.pls ask him to awnser this query.bloggers want to know the reason.

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    Anonymous Reply:



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    Anonymous Reply:

    http://ditchweb.com/files/ngorfk.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    But your interjections as with jagjit Singh and some jokes… like the one on He Throw… keep the atmosphere lively and dynamic…

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Sharma’s characterization of the demands of Anna’s team are FULL OF LIES.
    Mr Anna Hazare, suspended his agiation, when Congress committed to bring the lokpal bill , in line with the the resolution adopted by the house, in winter session.

    Where is it ?

    Also considering about minimizing the lies you weave into your blogs.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The winter session of the parliament is scheduled to start on November 21, 2011.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The winter session of the parliament is scheduled to start on November 21, 2011.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    well Shamraji did start by making kejriwal look nouveu rich by stating that he travel by a toyota fortuner.

    What about our yuvraj then, who travels by plane and helicopter many a time?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay, Rajiv,

    Kejriwal drove in a swanky Toyota Fortuner, because he is funded by the RSS. Such people in earlier times used to be foreign funded.

    Rahul and the Rajmata travel by planes and helicopters because, as per their declaration of assets to the election commission, they do not have much cash (In India, of course) and they DO NOT OWN ANY FOUR WHEELER, swanky or otherwise. Please try to understand the simplicity of the dynasty. The other day the yuvraj rode on the pillion of a motor bike. These are the instances when the leaders, particularly the honest congress leaders show how poor they are.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    WITH BILLIONS IN SWISS BANK, THEY ARE A SIMPLE DYNASTY?????????????

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Rajiiv
    For how long will to keep abusing my hospitality? Is it proper on your part to call anybody a liar? Get some manners if you want to engage with me please.

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    engrich Reply:

    he is very ghatia person.a pain.

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  • Anonymous

    ASHISH AND MISHRAji- 2 pundas fighting hehe
    Please come back, u r missed

    Mishraji did not know about communists in 1942
    Ashish did not know about traitors in 1962

    Then ashish said mishra did not know history. Promptly rajiiiv and doc saheb treated us all to masterclass in Pakistani history and Jinnah
    ———————-
    Now I would like to invite these 2 egoistical pandits to come to my house for dinner- menu- HUMBLE PIE hehe
    ——————————-
    jokes besides, yr contributions are needed

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    it would be quite appropriate NOT to identify them as pundits as most of us on this blog want to obliterate the caste system. For me Ashish would be a software guy and Dr Mishra, a doc.

    Of course you are right that their contributions are missed…

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    Pundit in Bengali means a learned person or a Pujari- only in North India, the caste association is supreme.
    An interesting quote from Tagore:
    “Jahar shob kichhu pondo hoyiachhe, she-i Pondit!”
    Translatation, extremely inadequate- one who has lost everything (“Pondo” in Bengali means decimated, reduced to valueless etc), is a Pondit/Pandit”.
    You need to know Bengali to get the priceless pun on Pundit (pronounced Pondit).
    Needless to say, for this rather thoughtless statement, he was mercilessly and justifiably panned.
    Got to run.. work beckons.. paapi, pet kaa sawal hai..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    I guess I dont know bengali… though I know Hilsa. But anyway let me quote Tagore… and you then pun

    “Tava Subha Ashisa Mage”

    Well you could also say

    Blog wale ashish maange…

    engrich Reply:

    i may differ with mishra and ashish but i am fan of both.

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  • Anonymous

    ASHISH AND MISHRAji- 2 pundas fighting hehe
    Please come back, u r missed

    Mishraji did not know about communists in 1942
    Ashish did not know about traitors in 1962

    Then ashish said mishra did not know history. Promptly rajiiiv and doc saheb treated us all to masterclass in Pakistani history and Jinnah
    ———————-
    Now I would like to invite these 2 egoistical pandits to come to my house for dinner- menu- HUMBLE PIE hehe
    ——————————-
    jokes besides, yr contributions are needed

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  • Anonymous

    @ gopi

    What about a quotation from the Mahabharata or any other epic on the present situation…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju
    “Parthranya Sadhunam Vinasha cha ya dusshkritm
    Dharma Samsthan panarthaya Sambhavami Yuge Yuge ‘ -Bhagavad Gita 4;8

    While Anna cannot eb compared to krishna, in a sense, he is trying to reestablish /recalibrate sense of fairness/Dharma.

    I agree with you that Anna should not endorse any candidate; however, he should convince citizens not to vote for “bad” candidates – ie if a Karunanidhi or Sharad Pawar contests.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    a very appropriate comparison…

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    get real Reply:

    For that we also need electoral reforms which Anna is proposing like Right to Reject & Recall. That is a distant reality.

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  • Anonymous

    Gopiji,
    you are lamenting for a long time on the muslim threat originating from kerala in connection with several terrorist acts around the nation..the last one was related to the delhi high court blast..you once again opined about kerala muslim connection and was worried about the way the state is destined to be doomed..now the NIA has indeed arrested a keralite in that case..but to your disappointment he is a hindu who simply sells explosive chemicals to anyone who is ready to pay his price.
    I know your answer ..and that apply to everyone!

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    engrich Reply:

    bhagna aur zhoot bolna inke culture ka hissa hai.

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  • engrich

    anna bhed kee khaal mein bheidiya hai.like gandhi he is chamoleon.indians has to be careful of him.he is agent of indian capitalists and blood suckers.

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  • Kumars1

    Where is Laloo Yadav? I am missing his rants. Vinod Sharma is not in the same league.

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    Anil Reply:

    There are many stupids in Indian politics but he is the intelligent one and I started to respect him for that. He lived his era of stupidity but he is no where to be blamed.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Kumar1
    Go for Nitin Gadkari, Vinay Katiyar or Ashok Shingal,

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  • get real

    Why can’t they understand simple thing that if congress brings the bill and looks determined to pass it they will not push for anti-congress campaign? Its not mistake of kejriwal if congress has lost its credibility by using all the dirty tricks in its book to block the bill and crush this movement. It seems we Indians don’t have common sense and are brainless. No wonder why we are still third-world underdeveloped, mostly under the rule of COngress.

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  • get real

    Why can’t they understand simple thing that if congress brings the bill and looks determined to pass it they will not push for anti-congress campaign? Its not mistake of kejriwal if congress has lost its credibility by using all the dirty tricks in its book to block the bill and crush this movement.

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  • get real

    If BJP is at the centre responsible for blocking the bill then BJP will have to face the same heat. But since COngress at the centre now so they are facing this.

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  • Anil

    Mr. Sharma like to sit on the fence and behave like priest to lecture both sdie from time to time. This must be his very own line.
    Why can’t you, Mr. Sharma, make it clear you are for or against (corrupotion)? If, against and don’t like Anna’s line what is your proposal (working proposal and not just theoretical that looks good on book)?

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Anil
    I too am a citizen of India but have no pretentions of being above parliament. I would like parliament to do its job in line with the resolution it has passed. I partake of popular democracy but I have equal respect for institutional democracy. In other words, we must strengthen existing anti-graft agencies rather than replacing them with new structures. So let the Lok Pal be created while empowering existing agencies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One doesn’t have to pretend, we all are above the parliament. It is a creature of our own making. By amending the constitution through our representatives, we can change anything. Therefore people are supreme, not the creatures created by a supreme people.

    As for creating new structures, it is the Amul Baby who declared in the Lokasabha that a constitutional structure has to be created for the new Lokpal!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One doesn’t have to pretend, we all are above the parliament. It is a creature of our own making. By amending the constitution through our representatives, we can change anything. Therefore people are supreme, not the creatures created by a supreme people.

    As for creating new structures, it is the Amul Baby who declared in the Lokasabha that a constitutional structure has to be created for the new Lokpal!

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  • Anonymous

    Anna’s method and language is congressi..at the end of the day Anna will side with Congress in the name of secularism also known as muslim-appeasing.

    Vinod Sharma is unnecessarily getting worried and upset.

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  • Atul8

    National visibility is an addiction that Team Anna is finding hard to get rid of. They had done a brilliant job of rousing public support against corruption in phase one. An even better job in getting the Govt to back off a bit.

    It appears that the next step of their strategy is difficult to understand. Unless there is a Great Plan which we do not know about or comprehend, I would tend to agree with Vinod that Kejriwal is suffereig from delusions.

    Personally, I am disappointed that the movement seems to be losing its direction.

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  • Anonymous

    I was on leave yesterday and so switched on the TV in the morning . I saw Mrs Shobhana Bhartiya”s interview in ” Conversations” on Lok Sabha TV. She came across as being very experienced and having very clear ideas about the Media business in the country. Spoke about why Home TV failed. Her active role in raising social issues as an MP and that she has introduced 3 private bills and as Promoter of HT Media gave an impression of being a hard task master. But what is she going to do about her Mumbai Edition which still lags behind at No 3.
    About her priority for the future… she mentioned ” Content”. Now there can be no dispute about that. But what is “good content” is the key issue…. She did not give any hint about that. Is it going to be determined by the “Market “ or by “some core company values” …May be we will have some inkling of her mind some other time….. Whether this or that , none can deny the adage that anything which is not truthful shall not succeed . So my simple request to her is do not move away from truth and public good….. Lakshimiji apne aap dheeme dheeme kadmon se aati rahengi

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  • Anonymous

    That Arvind Kejriwal is a BJP agent come as no surprise when Anna himself is a RSS agent and ditto ..saffron clad Baba Ramdev. Late Bhajan Lal was a popular secular leader as long as he was in the Congress …and so was Y Rajshekhar Reddy when he was alive. Now that his son is opposed to Congress , he is to be investigated for ill-gotten wealth .. so what if it was accumulated by his late father.
    Riots in Rajasthan where only Muslims were killed was a minor aberration , fault of the local officials who alone are to be punished. The National Minorities Commission can look the other way , after all it is Congress ruled state. Now those Riots should be forgotten and life should go on as usual.
    Kuldeep Bishnoi is to be condemned because he is father’s son. Chautala is a combination of muscle and power. And JaiPrakash the earstwhile leader of Chaudhury Devi Lal’s ” Green Brigade is paragon of virtue as he is now in the Congress Party.
    This is what Mr Vinod Sharma would like all of us to believe.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    when Krishnaji, the Naxal leader, was “eliminated”, it was the police who acted without authorisation to kill.

    In the Batla House “encounter” with terrorists, the Delhi police were responsible for killing the inmate, who was a peace-loving citizen of Azamgarh (who only occasionally indulged in terrorism of the harmless variety), it was the irresponsible Sharma who was intent on getting killed and got what he wanted.

    when Ramdev was set upon and his campers were mercilessly beaten up, leading to the death of one woman, it was the Delhi police, who acted on their own.

    when Anna Hazare and his team were arrested, causing terrible embarrassment to the congress party and its leaders, it was again the Delhi police who acted on their own.

    In all these cases, the top was Chidambaram, but he had no knowledge of any of these instances.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Chidambaram ,the Home Minister of India , as confessed by him, of late has been suffering from Loss of memory. And we should not be surprised if this what he tells the investigators in the days to come.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    Praveen_Saxena
    I urge you to go through my piece again. I’ve compared Jai Prakash with Chautala and not praised him. An argument based on misrepresentation is nothing but propaganda—- in this case for the BJP-RSS-Kejriwal nexus.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Vinod Sharma
    You had mentioned Jai Prakash’s name , but that was merely a reference in passing.. the focus is on why victory of Bishnoi should not be welcomed as it would be “victory of the distasteful legacy of Bhajan Lal” and Chautala’s victory of course shall be worse

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  • Anonymous

    A JAGJIT SINGH ghazal with a MESSAGE for us and our politicians !
    ——————————————————————————————————

    Pankaj,. Vijay and Mohan have expressed their emotions on the unforgettable Jagjit Singh’s physical passing away. He would of course live with us through his voice…

    But one ghazal has a message for all of us, especially our UPA and NDA.

    duniyaa jise kehate hain
    jaaduu kaa khilonaa hai
    mil jaaye to miTTii hai
    kho jaaye to sonaa hai..

    The Congress and the UPA have made a mess of the mandate of 2009. Bilkul mitti mein mila diya…

    And the BJP lost an opportunity in Karnataka …though not the scale of incompetence and corruption.

    I think next time both these parties would be singing this ghazal…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    Interesting comparison. The UPA has indeed made a mess of the opportunity it got.

    It is a strange sight to see two senior men… one pretty old – Pranabda, fighting do violently for the PM’s chair.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    One of my favorite four lines.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    One of my favorite four lines.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    Yes correct and beautifully sung.

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  • Vinod Sharma

    @Rakesh katyal
    Don”t abuse. Make arguments if you can.

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  • Vinod Sharma

    @Ankit
    Disclose your identity fully and I will sue you for defamation. Either prove that I take money from the Minority Commission or apologise.

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! HT IT GUYS… RAPE A BLOG!! RAPE RAPE !! BACHAO !!~~
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    This blog as of now is DEAD! MAUT !! RIP …

    Why?

    There used to be a beautiful blog 30 days ago
    But IT guys being what they are … need to to do plastic surgery
    even if it is Marlyn Monroe…

    They tied up with disqus
    The end result was khacha khach.

    Computers went crashing
    Screens we all felt like smashing…

    Manohar, MOhan and me had a bright idea
    why not reduce the page load…

    But the HT IT guys being what they are…
    Probably reshaped it sitting in a bar

    The format they reshaped
    The blog they raped

    Instead of suggested of one page with 100 postings
    we now have 100 pages with one posting !!

    Ha ha ha !!

    WHo is going to read this now
    To the HT IT departments wisdom I must bow … :D :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Now every two minutes you have to click, for page-turn.
    This blog has lost its charm.
    Perhaps Vinodji is teaching all his “critics” a lesson for being too critical of whatever he writes in support of the party, government and the dynasty.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    This is a blog from Saudia or China now. All comments get censored automatically because nobody comments anymore.

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  • Anonymous

    sab ashish maange..

    I meant

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  • Anonymous

    A person was being interviewed for a job in an airlines.

    He was asked, “what is the difference between a train crash and an air crash?”

    The fellow was foxed. He almost gave up. Then he came up with a gem:

    “In a train crash, you are still there. But, in an air crash, Where are you?”

    Now in this blog, we are all in an air crash.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    As usual you bring smile to face.

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  • Anonymous

    A person was being interviewed for a job in an airlines.

    He was asked, “what is the difference between a train crash and an air crash?”

    The fellow was foxed. He almost gave up. Then he came up with a gem:

    “In a train crash, you are still there. But, in an air crash, Where are you?”

    Now in this blog, we are all in an air crash.

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  • Anonymous

    When Anna campaigns AGAINST Congress but not for opposition, he is being called political.
    Let us see few more people who are called apolitcal but they campaign for Congress or other parties, why are they not accused of playing politics?
    1. Priyanka Gandhi: She goes around asking people to vote for Congress. Why is she regarded as not in politics?
    2. Mahesh Bhatt: In last Lok Sabha elections, he UNOFFICIALLY campaigned for Congress in UP and asked people not to vote for BJP. Why was his acts acceptable to Congress?
    3. There are lot of sports personalities, TV actors and film starts who campaign unofficially for diff. parties, why is there no objection against them?

    It is right of every citizen to educate one another on pro and cons of voting for a party. Anna and his team are just exercising their right as Vinod Sharma-Digvijay are enjoying their right to malign team Anna.

    However at the end of the day team Anna is ideologically very close to Congress and to call them close to Sangh Parivar is mischief of highest order.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Vinod Sharma,
    5 comments per page is ridiculous. It should be atleast 20. It is taking me 18 clicks to read 65 messages. You IT guys seem to be inexperienced.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    I think 150 comments as it was in the previous format is ideal. Nobdoy complained then

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I never had problems with 150 comments per page..but this 5 comments per page is plain stupid.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Rajeev, do you think activating an RSS feed and reading the blog only through it will solve the problem?
    Vinod, your IT guys should accept that Disqus was a poor investment decision, ditch it and move on..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That will be good idea but for now if HT IT guys should use common sense and make at least 30-40 comments per page.

    Do these guys ever look at the blog themselves? I’d have fired these morons if I was heading HT IT.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    I have on-passed your feed backs to the IT wing. They have promised to look into it quickly.

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  • Anonymous

    Rahul Gandhi regularly travels to villages in India and interact with villagers.
    During one of such visit a villager got up and asked him ” Rahuji, I dont understand
    how you are aspiring to become PM of India. Your educational qualification is suspect, most of the people in India treat you as a kid and call u Amul baby, whenever you say somthing like rapes and murders in UP you seem to
    put your foot in your mouth. I just dont understand why most
    of the congress leaders such us Digvijay Singh and even our PM thinks that you
    will be a good PM. What do you have which other senior and more experienced
    leaders in your parrty dont have ? ”

    Rahul Gandhi SHAAN SE BOLA

    MERE PAAS MAAN HAI

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Beautiful!

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  • Anonymous

    Facts are contrary to assertions and asumptions that Mr Sharma builds his blog on.

    “Tapes show that government went back on assurance to Anna”

    ( Congress, tapes and lies )
    ( from theHindu )
    Anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare may have got Parliament to agree in principle on some crucial provisions in the draft Jan Lokpal Bill, but excerpts from a set of audio tapes aired on a television channel on Monday revealed that the civil society and government members on the Joint Drafting Committee (JDC) differed on major issues.

    The excerpts expose what the civil society members had been saying all along: the government side had agreed to place the draft Jan Lokpal Bill formulated by the civil society members, along with the official Lokpal Bill draft, before the Union Cabinet for consideration, but went back on its word.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2526136.ece

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  • Anonymous

    Mr.Vinod Sharma,
    I just watched your show in NDTV..you just demolished the two ladies with facts and absolute facts..I was dismayed by the sheer arrogance of Kiran Bedi by challenging the anchor for allotting more time to DVS .that was the defense of a looser..she should have graciously put forward her counter views..instead she was intimidating the anchor..what a show of the fascist face of these conspirators ..God save India from these megalomaniacs .

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    engrich Reply:

    why anna is silent on corporate loot.salaries in private sector is crime against humanity.loot of poor peasants by dallals has another story.anna is silent on all these.he is a fascist rss supported brhminst who want to control india.

    he is chamoleon like his guru mk ghandhi.sonia is doing correct job.everyday one thieve is going to jail.now daya maran is under attack.

    he want to establish brhmncl dictatorship based on manusmiriti ans chankya arthshastra.will suppress and enslave entire india.in the name of honesty.

    NATO hs gone to libya to protect libyan.200000 has already been killed.in one city sirte killed 1000 children are butchered.sale of body parts by israelis is at its peak.they are stealing boys orphanage and selling their parts.latest news,
    tody 44 british soldiers killed 16 captured in city of sirte,libya.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinod Sharma can never win any argument because his style of debating is that of propagandist (of congress).

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  • Anonymous

    Where are Gopi and Raju?????

    hey gopi, u r missing today.

    And Raju???

    Mahesh? well we are destined to be opposites… but loved many debates…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Gopi;
    I am about to right a Gum Shuda ki Talash. So wake up, otherwise, i will have to file a Hebeas Corpus.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Sharma,
    We prefer the old format. in this format i feel like sitting in a nude beach and preaching the wisdom of morality..i am affraid the intense and heated discourse of many will be a hangover now .I was following for the past many months the dances of the devils and the angels in this blog..whichever way you interpret as per your senses..suddenly the coherent shape is gone.. will you attend to this?

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  • Anonymous

    We all have seen how Vinod Sharma campaigns for congress and against BJP on all the TV debates. Even in worst days when congressis were running for cover, Vinod Sharma was defending Congress, Dynasty and its corruption with Gutso…Can Congress warn him to remain apolitical?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Friends;
    This is not fair. har problem ko Vinodji ke matthe madh dena. Hey, hey, do not call me names. Vinod has nothing to do with IT. yes, we yearn for a more friendly format, but this is not his doing. he responds positively for his bloggers.

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    engrich Reply:

    kya sahee baat ke hai pankaj

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bhaiye Ganje Ashish ( Pyar main);
    Apne Ashiquon ko kyon tarsate ho?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Hi Pankaj,
    mera aur ek (ganja) chehra…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    here is one for your elusive face:

    तेरे चेहरे से नज़र नहीं हटती नज़ारे हम क्या देखें
    तुझे मिलके भी प्यास नहीं घटती नज़ारे हम क्या देखें

    पलकों पे फैला तेरी पलकों का साया है
    चेहरे ने तेरे मेरा चेहरा छुपाया है
    तेरे जलवों की धुँध नहीं छँटती नज़ारे हम …

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    AshishC Reply:

    Wah, wah…

    Seriously, Shenoy, mock me not, for I am an old, old man!
    Vinodji is waging war- he wants all the regulars to go away. Rajeev was right; even on a games website, one does not click so often as on this blog’s comments section!

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Was sure, you will not take offence. This was just to provoke you enough to write.

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    AshishC Reply:

    My daughter, who took the photo, said, “Daddy, wait, I have to turn the flash off; it reflects too much!”
    Sigh! This young generation- no respect!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZHTQE36KCN27UI4VPK352CRBNM Thangavelu

    please take the issue of janlokpal.only after the no bill no vote propaganda now the congress is coming out that lokpal bill will brought soon.Also there is mischief of constitutional amendment.one time it is telling the parliment has to pass the bill the congress alone can not bring the bill,but now this constitutional amendment.If you congress is really serious bring the bill now.tactically deviating the actual point of bill by alleging through digji as Rss and reservation and now Toyota are only decrease the credibility of congress government.

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  • Anonymous

    Well, well, well. Just saw HISAR on TV.So much for vijay khanna’s SWABHIMAAN , looked like any part of india , OPEN NALA , with a maruti parked by its side . The population appeared BARELY LITERATE, 100% RUSTIC, and the candidates well looked llike RAPIST.
    India has a LONG LONG LONG way to go.Also watched the TELENGANA debate , LOOKS LIKE CASTE IS THE DOMINANT PLAYER IN THIS DIVIDE. Also Owaisi revealed something WHICH WAS SHOCKING. The 15 or so MUSLIM MLA’s in Andhra Pradesh ARE all from his party. NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM HAS BEEN ELECTED WITH OTHER PARTY’S TICKET. Says a lot about Andhra Pradesh , we KNOW SOME PART OF AP IS AS BAD OR POOR AS KALAHANDI IN ORISSA. Cyberabad is not Andhra Pradesh.
    Then this is India , THIRD WORLD intellect , THIRD WORLD THINKING leading to a third grade country. Sleep well, MERA BHARAT MAHAN. This idiot Kejriwal should address the fundamental issues , NOT NAAREY BAZI in favour of CROOKS LIKE CHAUTALA PROGENY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,
    Sorry to offend you but waste bengal looks even worse.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is UK for you….highest teenage pregnancy in Europe, 3rd highest in world in obesity, lowest languages ability in Europe, soaring problems with binge-drinking, poor hygiene standards in hospitals!!

    You may add – most over-rated footbal team and being an American dog as well to the list.

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  • AshishC

    I am right now battling too many deadlines to spend much time on this blog; so just a hurried take on the central argument – the way I see it- of Vinod Sharma.
    I have no quarrel with Vinod’s assessment of the goons battling it out in the Hisar bypoll.
    I will not split hairs (or ropes!) about who is 30dB more or less corrupt or venal. That is NOT the point, dear Vinod.
    What the Congress strategy, given voice by Diggy, Vinod etc is:
    - leave Anna for now, but discredit his team.
    The favourite name with which all dogs are branded before being shot is RSS. Bear in mind, this is just a flavour of the month. The same government is not above branding someone else a Naxal or Maoist or whatever- anything that helps.
    A classmate of mine in college recently returned a government award in protest. His name is Sandeep Pandey (who incidentally won the Magasasay too).
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/activist-sandeep-pandey-returns-nregs-award-in-protest-82872
    Dear Sandeep, I do not think you have the time to read this- but, a long time admirer of your copybook forward defence stroke on the lawns of De Hostel, wanted to pay his respects.

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    Larry Reply:

    Perfect analysis. Its for reading people like you that I visit this blog, and not the sycophant pol. editor of this paper

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Larry and AshishC
    Ha. Inject the pro-Congress charge and seek to rubbish the whole argument. This is the kind of character assassination the lumpen right wingers attempt. Stop shouting from the roof tops that the water is poisoned so do not drink it. Offer a purer logic. If what I’ve written does not convince you, I aren’t willing to make another effort. Let us agree to disagree without calling each other names.

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    Larry Reply:

    Haha, look who’s talking. Wasn’t it you Sharmaji who attempted to character assassinate the Bhushans on the basis of a fake CD? I don’t need evidence to prove you are a Congress stooge, you have made it quite evident from your columns and your appearances on TV debates. People have been talking about your bias on Facebook too, if you haven’t noticed facebook.com/topic.php?uid=250933355730&topic=16762

    Anonymous Reply:

    Larry,
    Sharma is OK with using RSS card on every issue when talking about team Anna…

    His hyposcrisy knows no bounds…after all he is a congressi journalist.

    AshishC Reply:

    @Vinod,
    if there was any logic in your riposte, pure or not, it totally escaped me.
    Just curious: why are you so touchy about being a Congressi? Garv se kaho.. main Congressi hoon! Nothing to be ashamed of! Or is there?
    I mean, none of us “right wingers” have held you personally responsible, far less culpable for 2G, 3G, Sonia-G, MMS-G, massacre of Sardar-ji (okay, okay, that WAS weak)
    More curiosity: why does anyone who disagrees with you is necessarily a right winger? Or a fascist or RSS (no difference anyway in your books, is there?)
    Do you, or the Congress party harbour illusions about being a left-winger? Can you explain why you think so?
    Can you explain to us, in simple English why my argument was a “right-wing” argument?
    Do you realise, that not a single so called right-winger jumped up an shouted slogans saying “Sandeep Pandey -Maoist, Asha- organization with dubious linkages.. so on”? Because, genuine people know sincerity when they see it.

  • Anonymous

    NEW DRINKING WARNING JUST RELEASED:

    A MUST READ!

    Vodka and ice will ruin your kidneys.
    Rum and ice will ruin your liver.
    Whiskey and ice will ruin your heart.
    Gin and ice will ruin your brain.
    Pepsi and ice will ruin your teeth…
    Apparently ice is lethal!
    Warn all your friends: Lay off the ice ~ Just drink it straight!
    AND DON’T FORGET, IT SANK THE TITANIC TOO!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Very nice one.

    Mere marne ke baad kafan mein kuch botalein rakh dena
    roz shaam ko piya karoonga
    jab kabhi bhi khuda maange ga hisaab
    to unhe bhi ek peg bana kar de diya karoonga.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr. Anand,
    A warm welcome-back to you.
    you are right in voicing your disappointment with ‘Vinodji’s blog ka haal’.
    He believes in change, but not CHANGE FOR THE BETTER.

    Digvinash Singh will surely bring ruin to the party, which has made him, actually a useless guy, a loser, into what he is today.

    But more than Manish Tiwari, who can at best be termed full of hot air, it is Kapil Sibal, who is bringing back memories of shame and ridicule for this government. From the just released Lokpal tapes, he is reported to have called the chief election commissioner, CAG and supreme court judges names and ridiculed them in very derogatory terms.

    This matter is going to be played up in the media (of course not in HT) making life more dificult for MMS than it is now.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ SHARMAJI KUCH KARO– 5 POSTS PER PAGE IS KILLING THE BLOG ~~~
    ==============================================================

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  • Anonymous

    Pranab Mukherjee was damn right when he said that GDP will rise this
    year …. only that we forgot to ask him what it was ::

    G: GAS
    D: DIESEL
    P: PETROL

    Mera Bharat Mahan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • engrich

    43 witnesses turn hostile; ex-IPS acquitted in Shivani murder

    SAUDI JUSTICE SYSTEM IS FAR BETTER THAN THIS SYSTEM.

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  • Anonymous

    Blog is dead. SHAN cingulategurtus comes, makes most banal boring comments and I do not have even energy to slam him.
    Doc Mishra, Gopi, shoeb, vinay, Ashish, come on guys, do u want egerich to be banned? Why u stay away ?
    VINODJI, PL PUT 30 to 40 comments per page

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    engrich Reply:

    ashish is coming .many new have joined .gopi also come sometime..

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  • Anonymous

    Today is Ashok Kumar’s (Dadamoni) 100th Birthday. For me he is the best actor (natural) in film world. No one can match his style of acting.

    Ashok Kumar, Balraj Sahni, Sanjeev Kumar, Naseeruddin, Farukh Sheikh, Om Puri, Pankaj Kapoor belong to the school of natural acting whereas rest belong to school of mannerism laced with overacting.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you Rajeev.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Exactly my thoughts. The worst among current actors IMO though he is
    very popular outside India is SRK.

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  • Anonymous

    There is absolutely no doubt that Anna Hazare’s call for the boycott of Congress in Hisar by-election was premature and somewhat misplaced! He did it perhaps without realising what effect the outcome will have on the Lokpal bill!

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  • Anonymous

    Kejrawal may be a proxy of BJP…but poor Prashant Bhushen is not definitely..poor chap..the way he was battered….till yesterday he was hailed as the warrior against corruption..this evening he is most hated traitor ..the unfolding of the events are a thriller material.. how sad to some imbeciles ..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Team Anna is campaigning against Congress in Hisar (HARYANA),
    Congress has protested this act of Anna,
    The youth who attacked Prashant Bhushan is HARYANAVI,
    He told that he belonged to some BHAGAT SINGH SENA,
    But congress-friendly media made this BHAGAT SINGH SENA into RAM SENE,
    RAM SENE has no presence outside karnataka,
    It is clear attack on Prashant Bhushan is handiwork of Congress.

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  • Anonymous

    Team Anna is campaigning against Congress in Hisar (HARYANA),
    Congress has protested this act of Anna,
    The youth who attacked Prashant Bhushan is HARYANAVI,
    He told that he belonged to some BHAGAT SINGH SENA,
    But congress-friendly media made this BHAGAT SINGH SENA into RAM SENE,
    RAM SENE has no presence outside karnataka,
    It is clear attack on Prashant Bhushan is handiwork of Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ram Sene will work for any party for money.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev, Mohan,

    in the absence of Amar Singh Dahla, it could only be Digvinash Singh, who might have “arranged” the attack on Prashant Bhushan.

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  • Anonymous

    Salman Khursheed does not want business people to be put in jail even if they
    commit any crime because it will affect investment. What a logic.
    Choron ko chori karne do sazaa mat do

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The congress party used to ridicule and make fun of the BJP calling it a traders’ party. Now it looks like the wheel has had time to make one full circle and it is the congress who is shedding tears for the traders and businessmen!

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    AshishC Reply:

    As Keats said about Shakespeare and Salman Khurshid says about the “Corporate leaders (looters??”
    Other abide our criticism, thou art free!

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~ COMMENTS ARE TAPERING, DEBATE DYING, BLOG… now a dead dog…
    ======================================================================

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  • Anonymous

    Hopefully media will expose this so called Ram Sena or Bhagat Singh Sena or Kranti Sena and the lieful, propogandist, deceitful Congress party ( whose lies are now reaching a level matching that of ISI ) and immediately arrest and prosecute the person or persons involved in the attack.
    Hwoever wouldn’t surprise me if Congress used the vandalism for its political attacks on team Anna.

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  • http://dealstop.co.uk Larry

    Congress’ chamcha editor calling Arvind Kejriwal a BJP proxy…funny ;)

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  • Pankaj#1

    Vinodji;
    I seldom approach you directly but really five posts on one page is problematic. I believe, your’s is one of the most popular blog in world, seriously. It may not be in quality but in quantity certainly. I am exposed to lots of news of global nature, but times and again, I come back here.It sort of belongs to me. Just tweak it a little, listen to Vijay and others and again we may have good time together. Hope to see you soon in Delhi, if Darban with big moustaches is not too harsh to me.

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  • Pankaj#1

    I have a soft spot for Vijay: Priyanka Chopra
    Vijay;
    You brat, this is a head line in TOI. Tum bar bar ham seniors ka majak kyon udate ho?
    Abhi to main bhi jawan …..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I too have a very very soft spot for Priyanka…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good to know that nobody is vying for Sonakshi Sinha, Field is
    open for me . Thanks guys.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    Lal bahadur Shastri said

    “Jai Jawan … Jai Kisan”

    Congress today says

    “Amar Singh Dhala Mahaan…. Digvinash SIngh Budhimaan !! ” ;)

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  • Anonymous

    The Congress Party is paranoid by the open campaign of Team Anna in the Hissar election They are more worried that if this is repeated in UP too , then the consequences shall be devastating. It is now settled that Anna enjoys huge goodwill in the middle class across the country and this is an important segment for the Congress . It looks equally worried about the Rathyatra of LK Advani, going by the way the party and its Agents in the media and the so called political commentators have gone hyper about Advani…and shifting the focus to motives of his initiative and trying to divert the attention ..In any case the impact of the Yatra shall be known in the days to come. As time passes we should be ready to see more hysteria and desperation by the Congress . The attack of Bhushan should be seen in that perspective.
    I feel Advani should lead the NDA as its PM candidate …..if NDA is to form the government …and Modi may take over some time later… even midway… by that time some more of his legal battles should be over .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    ironically, it is Advani’s good health that is worrying the congress no end, because MMS is mentally and physically tired, defeated and ready to throw in the towel any day soon. And the Rajmata, who the congressies loved to say was the healthiest looking of all the political leaders of India(?), is already confined to her closed doors of 10 Janpath. But, Advani seems able to withstand the rigours of a 38 day rathyatra across the length and breadth of the country.

    It is also worrysome for the congress that Nitish Kumar who was expected to “protest” against Advani starting the yatra from the birthplace of JP, instead, chose to flag the yatra off. it is possible that Advani may eventually emerge as the consensus candidate of the NDA.

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  • Anonymous

    High Priestess of Secularism and Congress proxy Teesta Setalvad is in big trouble.
    This shows how pro-congress elements have toxicated entire Indian system.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/best-bakery-case-teestas-former-aide-demands-retrial/20111013.htm

    A former aide of activist Teesta Setalvad has moved the Bombay high court seeking retrial of the 2002 Best Bakery case alleging that the latter not only fabricated evidence and falsely implicated innocent persons but also “managed” the witnesses.
    Rais Khan Aziz Khan Pathan, in an affidavit, urged the high court to direct an appropriate court in Mumbai [ Images ] to conduct retrial of the case and record his evidence.

    Khan, former coordinator of the Citizen for Justice and Peace, the Mumbai-based non-government organisation headed by Teesta, requested that notice be served on Teesta to explain her conduct and clarify allegations of fabricating evidence in the case.

    Khan even demanded lie detector and polygraph tests on himself and Teesta to “bring out the truth”.

    The affidavit assumes significance as in April 2011, Shaikh Yasmeen Banu, a key prosecution witness in the case, had also filed an affidavit in the high court alleging she was “lured and misguided” by Teesta into giving false testimony against the 17 accused, of which nine were awarded life term by a Mumbai court.

    Fourteen people who had taken refuge in the Best Bakery owned by the Shaikh family in Vadodara in Gujarat were killed by a mob on March 1, 2002, during the post-Godhra riots.

    The appeals filed by the nine convicts in the sensational case are pending in the Bombay high court. Khan contended that on instructions of Teesta, he had in the past met Yasmeen in Baroda and requested her to shift to Mumbai where the retrial of the case was in progress.

    Yasmeen in her affidavit had accused Khan of cheating her and other witnesses for personal gains, which was denied by him.

    Khan contended that he used to get funds from Teesta to organise press conferences for riot victims and meet relevant expenses. He alleged that getting payment for the victims was never Teesta’s priority as she was only concerned to ensure that the witnesses get money.

    “While witnesses used to get Rs 50,000 to Rs 1 lakh, the victims were getting only Rs 5,000 (by Teesta),” Khan said. He further stated in the affidavit that he was put up at Sagar Hotel in the Nagpada area of South Mumbai by Teesta for eight months when the trial of Best Bakery case was in progress and was directed by her to keep a close watch on the witnesses.

    “After the court issued summons to witnesses, she (Teesta) asked me to bring all of them to Mumbai even before police approached them”, he said.

    “Throughout the trial, witnesses were paid Rs 100 a day and the payment was made to them every weekly. Although the court order was to keep witnesses at Vasava Government Hostel in Worli, they were kept at Mariam apartment in Bhindi Bazaar”.

    “Neither the police nor the prosecutor ever inquired or asked how these witnesses were so punctually coming to the court for deposition and who is funding their expenses,” he added.

    It was stated further in the affidavit that police used to escort every witness to the court and back to the police guesthouse in Worli and during this period nobody was allowed to meet or speak to them.

    “As per Teesta’s instructions, I used to provide a mobile phone to each witness so that she can be in touch with them and guide them during their stay in Mumbai,” he said.

    “When the Gujarat police were searching for prime witness Zahira Shaikh, Teesta directed me over phone to reach an address in the Alkapuri area of Baroda. When I went there I found she was at a residence of a Muslim woman journalist working with a national daily,” Khan said, adding “Muslim reporters were roped in sentimentally”.

    Khan said he had learnt that some of the victims and witnesses like Yasmeen had recently retracted from their earlier statements or affidavits prepared by Teesta’s organisation and that they blamed him for cheating and manipulation.

    “These witnesses have put me in a very awkward position and I am afraid that I might be prosecuted by the court for helping the witnesses to give false deposition in the court, which was actually not done by me at all”, he added. out of total 73 witnesses, including Zaheera Shaikh, had turned hostile, saying they had seen nothing the night of the attack.

    In February 2006, a Mumbai court had awarded lifer to the nine accused.

    Zaheera and other witnesses who had turned hostile were later convicted for perjury.

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  • Anonymous

    Who is historically opposed to Team Anna?
    Who arrested Anna?
    Who slapped IT notices on KEJRIWAL and BEDI?
    Who came out with BHUSHAN’s CD?
    Who used Agnivesh as spy?

    CONGRESS…

    So who could have attacked Anna Supporters outside Delhi HC?

    CONGRESS…

    Why is our media not using common sense?

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  • Anonymous

    I think everyone should watch Kumar Ketkar debating…He is perfect example of biased journalist who is very crude and kind of propagandist.

    I can tolerate Vinod Sharmas because they have some sense of proportion but Kumar Ketkar is altogether in different Class..Absolute Ghati kind of journalist.

    If you watch him once, you will never want to watch him again…I don’t have adjectives to describe this moron.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you are right. The other day, Vinodji even had a word of “advice” for the congress! He told Manish Tiwari that the congress is its own worst enemy and if they don’t set their house in order, they will face ruin!!

    You cannot expect Kumar Ketkar to say anything like that. Being a Maharashtrian, he believes that his the sole “voice of India” against the RSS.

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  • Anonymous

    Congress to team Anna..See picture…hint RSS is elephant

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~ WHEN SACHIN’S AVERAGE FALLS FROM 60 TO 10… should he not retire???/
    ======================================================================

    This blog was the Sachin Tendulkar of blogs. Because it had team members like all of us. On the HT site it beat all others hollow. And even all the TOI blogs looked shallow.

    Even when most of us disagreed violently with Vinod Sharma… he DID NOT censor comments as do other blog sites.

    So this was the DON bradman, Tendulkar and Gavaskar of Blogs.

    But…

    In come disqus and the blog is dead. The average postings per day have gone down from 100 to 25.

    So should we not say … “ek blog ka retirement ka time aa gaya hai…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Vinodji (if you are listening),

    Vinod Sharma’s blog was the Tendulkar of the internet media
    where we once discussed the shenanigans of Nira radia
    when we tore into him, he would say, Wah, Sirji, what an idea!
    but, today, the blog is dead, happy is Engrich, the bhedia.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The bhedia…
    Wow

    Will give me a good sleep thinking of the bhedia !

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~ PAKISTAN PLOTS ANOTHER TERRORIST 26/11 ON INDIA ~~~~
    =======================================================================

    The unraelling of the terror plot which was to hit Delhi just reminds us that we cannot be safe with a mad cap neighbour.

    I think SM Kraishana is inadequate… and so is the UPA in matters of handling terror and Pakistan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where did you see that news ?
    Anyway, any engagement with Pakistan, in any shape or form, is an engagement with a wuilfully deceitful and fraudulent entity, whose only goal is to defraud the other party. Thats the only ideology on which Pak operates.

    India granted MFN trade status to Pakistan in 2005.Since then Pak has launched numerous terrorist strikes. The latest treacherous statement from Pak foreign minister is that “Pak has agreed in principle to grant India MFN status”. Agreed in ‘Principle’ ? That in diplomatic language means that Pak will not reciprocate India according MFN status to Pakistan in near future, even after 6 years of India unilaterally granting that to Pak, while it will continue to extract concessions from India while arming terrorist groups against it.
    The ineptitude of Indian foreign office and its policy to wards Pakistan is beyond callous.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Rajiiv,
    India and Pakistan look at MFN differently.
    India thinks it will promote trade of goods and services.
    Pakistan hopes it will promote export (Pakistan to India) of Terrorism. This anyway makes official what has been the unofficial policy of Pakistan, all along. For Pakistan, India is the MFN for exporting terror.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In effect, India will truly be the MFN-the MOST FRIGHTENED NATION.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Well Pakistan has accorded India MFT status : Most Favoured Terrorist target.
    What amazes me is Paksitan’s ability to brazenly deceive India, United States and the infinite capacity of India , willing and ever ready to be deceived.
    Actually its incompetance of our government’s foreign policy that Pakistan makes mockery of.

  • Anonymous

    Using the logic thats often employed by Mr Sharma to targets parties oppsed to Congress, should I conclude that Ram Sena / Bhagat Singh sena goons that beat Mr Bhushan up, must be Congress operatives with links to the top leadership ?
    After all, Mr Bhushan is opposed to Congress leadership . Right ?

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  • Anonymous

    There are some regulars missing from this blog.
    What happened to Mr Mishra and Mr Balwinder ?

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  • Shahalamkhan

    Dear Vinod Sharma ji,
    A good analysis indeed. It is the likes of Kejriwals and Bedis who have honestly deranged the Anna anti-graft movement. I am a bit surprised at the persistence of decent people like Prashant Bhushan with this bunch of clowns. The lack of inclusion of private funded NGOs, media and some vitals sections of the Corporate sector make the Kejriwal et al version of the Lok Pal only a mockery of the anti-corruption campaign and their needless chest thumping. The very soul of this middle class, high caste, urban agitation becomes defunct the moment any member of the agitation starts berating on a political agenda and unfortunately Kejriwal has already committed sin. It now that Team Anna was more interested in “satta parivartan” not “vyawastha parivartan”. I hope they should have learnt from Aruna Roy who brought in the RTI act like a whiff of fresh air- no daily media briefings, no india Gates, and of course no Ramlilas!
    Truly,
    Dr. Shah Alam Khan
    AIIMS, New Delhi
    http://www.indiaandbharat.blogspot.com

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    AshishC Reply:

    @Shahalamkhan
    1. I hope you do not think it is “Anna’s movement”- and I hope you think it is your movement too.
    2. Before you call Bedi and Kejriwal clowns, please revisit their resume’- I daresay, they have earned their spurs in public service.
    3. You wish to include NGOs, corporates etc in the anti-corruption movement? Do start one. Do not expect Anna/ Kejriwal/ Bedi to do it all. They are also not talking of women’s emancipation, child-workers, minority rights and rights of farmers and sharecroppers and unorganized labour- you know, you have a large canvas left for you to paint on.
    4. Our freedom movement was led by urban, English speaking, middle to upper class, upper caste people- please trash it also.
    5. Aruna Roy and Kejriwal worked together on RTI- so did many others.

    I do not understand your angst regarding vyawastha parivartan vs satta parivartan- any citizen of this country has the right to campaign for satta parivartan through democratic means. Please let us know what specific steps this particular “satta” has taken to change the “vyawastha” for the better in the last 7 years and we can debate those. If they have not, then the people in this country are within their rights to not lie back and enjoy the experience.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Allow me to point out one aspect re: Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal.

    Sure they have earned their spurs, no question about that. However, during their Jan LokPal movement, they have surely gone overboard

    = Anna is India, India is Anna. (??)
    = Anna is above the Parliament and has the right to pressurize/dictate terms to it. (Is he the Ayotollah of India?).

    = Do not vote for the Congress (as if the other parties are squeaky clean), because they are refusing to pass their version of the Lok Pal bill, knowing full well the standing committee of the Parliament is looking into it and the winter session is more than month away to commence.

    They need not be called clowns, but surely they are sure signs of streak of megalomania. Let them fight elections (assembly level) to begin with.

    All the life’s work can just get washed away by one act of foolishness

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    we have both been down this path before..
    The anti-corruption movement is not an Anna movement- he just embodies it today. Is he the architect? Is he the brain? IMO, no. But, his face helps sell the tickets.
    So, Kejriwal- smart cookie that he is- is just indulging in some brand building for Anna.
    Now, let’s not preach virtues of elections as some sort of proof of manhood- our dear PM had to find a Rajya Sabha seat in Guwahati.
    I think the Anna team recognises that they need to spread beyond the cities- so Hissar affords a good opportunity. In one stroke, you get to take the message to the hinterland AND do it in a manner that will compel the political classes and media to pay attention.
    I have no illusion that the anti-corruption movement is or even needs to be apolitical. If the guns are turned on the Congress, (having ruled the country for 90% of the time since independence, what else do you expect?), I for one will not shed any tears.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    1) Preach virtues of elections! No.

    OK, let them get themselves elected to Rajya Sabha instead- let us see which political party is ready to back them.

    2) Poor Anna. IMO, they have really taken him for a ride on a tiger and now he cannot get off it.

    3) Smart cookie! Does not seem to me – the way he is going about it. He started with noble intentions, but now seems to be losing his way around. Wait for 6 months perhaps, then we can discuss whether he was really smart or …….

    IMO, the only member of the team who talks sense in Santosh Hegde.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Team-Anna-rift-Santosh-Hegde-takes-dig-at-Arvind-Kejriwal/articleshow/10359219.cms

    Excerpts from the above

    QUOTE 1

    On Firday, Anna Hazare and other members of the group distanced themselves from their comrade Prashant Bhushan’s advocacy to allow a plebiscite in Kashmir Valley on whether it should remain with India, while Justice Santosh Hegde hit out at Arvind Kejriwal for siding with the Congress’s opponents in the Hisar Lok Sabha by-election. Hegde, a representative of Team Anna in the Lokpal Bill joint drafting committee, also took a dig at Kejriwal for his remarks that Hazare was above Parliament, observing that such things happen when somebody talks “too much”.

    UNQOUTE

    QUOTE 2

    But as he struggled to scotch the state of equations among leading members of the team, Kejriwal himself came under attack from fellow member of the core committee, Justice Hegde, for campaigning against the Congress in the Hisar by-election. Saying that Kejriwal, said to be instrumental in Team Anna’s decision to oppose the Congress, had “jumped the gun”, the retired SC judge said, “I believe the (Hazare) movement is and should be apolitical. Even before Parliament could debate the Lokpal bill, they went to Hisar and campaigned against the Congress. I don’t think it was the right thing to do.”

    In an interview to an news magazine, Justice Hegde suggested that in Hisar, there was little to chose between the Congress and the candidates its opponents had fielded. Emphasizing that he was not pro-Congress, he said he did not know much about the party’s candidate in Hisar but claimed that Kuldeep Bishnoi (of Haryana Janhit Congress) and Ajay Chautala (INLD) were not above board. “How then do we ask people to vote against the Congress?” he said.

    Hegde said there was no specific consultation on campaigning in Hisar and after he raised his opposition, Kejriwal called him to clarify that the plan to oppose candidates had been shared and discussed. “But to my knowledge, that was to be done only if Parliament and parties had reneged on their promise to pass the Lokpal bill. I had to tell Kejriwal that, as far as Hisar was concerned, we had jumped the gun. Now, what happens if the Congress passes the bill during the winter session? By the way, it is not just about the Congress, it is the UPA. However eager one may be to bring about change, we should allow the system to work. We should be patient.”

    He also said that corrupt candidates were in all parties, not just the Congress. “If Anna and the other team members felt compelled to intervene in the electoral process, they should have only asked the people to choose the best candidate. That would have been the ideal thing to do,” Justice Hegde said when asked if he was uncomfortable with the Hisar episode. Describing Kejriwal’s ‘Anna-above-Parliament’ remark as “unwarranted”, Hegde said, “This is what happens when you talk too much.” Recalling that he had opposed when politicians had said that Parliament was supreme, Hegde said, “That is because the Supreme Court can strike down any unconstitutional move by Parliament.”
    UNQUOTE
    4) If it was kept apolitical – the credibility would have been higher. Singly out a party to target is more damaging to their movement than the party in question.

    For example, in Hissar if there was a candidate with impeccable credentials (perhaps an independent) and had they rooted for him it would have made sense.

    Also the question to ask whether how many voters will listen to Anna/Kejriwal, when casting the ballot. The majority would still vote on the whatever basis by which they have done for ages.

    Arunvsh Reply:

    vyawastha parivartan will be done by Rover Vadra, Sheela dixit, Digvijay Singh, Cidambaram, Kalmadi,A.Raja, Deshmukh,Sashi Tharoor, Maran,Sharad Pawar &contless persons & above all by ‘alibaba’ Mr. Manmohan Singh

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  • engrich

    Terrorism&corruption cannot be fought without addressing the root cause that is denial of justice, opportunities and reduction of gap between the rich and the poor. Slogans do not fill the empty stomachs or provide jobs etchence anna movement is useless and creation of media.

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    engrich Reply:

    etchence

    etc hence

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  • AshishC

    Rajeev/ Rajiv et al..
    Just came across this – enjoy.
    http://wearethebest.wordpress.com/tag/vinod-sharma/

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    engrich Reply:

    बीजेपी ने कवरेज के लिए पत्रकारों को बांटे पैसे

    for advani shaitani yatra.what this sikh want i dont know.being pakistani has no love for india or indian.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I have never seen Vinod Sharma answering the Bhushan’s CD after it was exposed that it was fake. I guess Vinod Sharma was overly worried in defending his favorite party Congress.

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  • Anonymous

    It is reported that BJP paid Rs500/- to every journalist to cover Mr Advani’s Rath Yatra !

    “CASH FOR COVERAGE” !!!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why are you surprised? Paid news is not a new news. The people like Mr.Sharma go silent when such issue is discussed.

    Why do you think every movement of Rahul gandhi is reported in detail by media? Because they are paid.

    Same thing is happening with Advani’s Rath yatra…Nothing to be surprised about…BJP is now catching up with Congress by imitating it.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Advani is on “ANTI-CORRUPTION” Rath yatra ! Yet BJP openly bribes journalists !

    Very sad.

    Ann’a movement is just few weeks old. Yet the National party NJP has no hesitation and shame in bribing journalists to cover the Rath Yatra !

    Check the Cash for Coverage :

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/other-states/article2537091.ece?homepage=true

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Expect a thundering silence from RSS/BJP/Advani supporters or they will rubbish the report. One should not expect them to condemn the shenanigans of their heroes.

    To think that this is supposed to be an anti-corruption nautanki. Huh!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad,

    it is no big deal. The media everywhere, particularly the regional media expects payment for attendance and/or reporting. Ashok Chavan is facing court cases for purchasing news. Paranjoy Thakurda has compiled a voluminous report on this phenomenon. The press council of India is trying to shield the politicians, mainly the congressmen, but the CIC has asked the PCI to publish the news in full.

    Please see:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_cic-cracks-whip-on-paid-news-phenomenon_1590862.

    It is also foolish to suggest that Advani wantsor needs publicity for his rathyatra. The secular media has inadvertantly done everything possible to give worldwide publicity to his rathyatra. Therefore to suggest that moffusil and small time reporters would give any more publicity than already done by the national media is showing one’s own gullibility.

    It is also stupid of the local leaders, who made the payments to willing reporters, publicly. The reporters must have felt exposed.

    It would be interesting to know how many of them returned the envelopes (with the cash, of course).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Don’t you think instead of going around the country, Mr Advani should make Yatras to the BJP offices and tell/teach/preach his own followers what “Anti-corruption” actually is all about !

    The charity must begin at home !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shri Lal Krishan Advani does not have the time for such mundane tasks, as he is busy with big things.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not surprised…I am pretty sure Congress too is paying media to cover Rahul gandhi’s nautankis..

    BJP is just learning congress tricks.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Who wants a copycat party?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree with you…One Congress is enough to loot this country dry..

  • Arunvsh

    Mr. Sharma you are a true congressi everybody knows, why you pretend to be a journalist.Please don’t feel shy to be a congressi, but don’t bring bad name to journalism.

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  • Arunvsh

    You are a proxy of congress , why do you feel shy? because of your soul?

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  • Anonymous

    So BJP now has to pay the Congress newspapers and journalists, for just coverage of its events ?

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  • AshishC

    Where are,
    1. Ravi
    2. Gopi
    3. Mahesh
    4. Prabhat
    5. Shoeb…

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~~ EVERYONE INVITED TO CHAUTHA CEREMONY OF THIS BLOG ~~~~
    =======================================================================

    This blog died four days back when comments were restricted to 5 a page. Blog addicts out here need at least 150 comments per page to spar and debate, abuse and admire…

    But since this blog is dead, we now formally invite everyone to the Chautha ceremony to be held at the Hindustan Times office.

    Pandit Vinod Sharma will conduct the ceremony,

    RSS lovers are invited to come in Khaki. Congress lovers can come with a T Shirt saying “I love dynasty and corruption and I am dumb.”

    LeT, Hafeez Saeed and Osama lovers can come with firecrackers to express their happiness at this death.

    Shenoy can write a poem on this untimely death.

    Mohan can think of a sad joke for a change,

    Rajiiv is expected to deliver a scholorly analysis of how and why it happened,

    Vijay Kumar will drown himself with booze,like devdas, as he now looks for an alternative love as he moves from site to site and needs to keep his brain entertained and occupied…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one vijay ! Made me smile.

    Maut ke maatam mein bhi muskara rahe hai
    Yeh blog ki maut ka gam hain jo chuppa rahe hain…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    My Good friends, don’t get me wrong
    Give your ear to my sad song
    And if you find it boring and long
    Take a drink neat and strong.

    the song is about the blog and Vinod Sharma
    who cries about Pak, but gives two hoots about Burma
    And of late he has developed a thick derma
    and isn’t bothered when Vijay performs the blog’s kriya-karma

    hundreds visited the blog daily and dozens stayed
    with the blog and for its good health prayed
    many were the people who with words played
    and also a couple, who meanness displayed.

    Now the blog has for ever lost its flavour
    there is nothing for any blogger to savour
    and the rest have lost all their fervour
    But, Vinodji will you do us all a favour?
    will you close down the blog for ever?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ SHenoy

    A good lament ! Just sums up the feelings of all of us..

    Hope Vinod Sharma listens and karate chops the Disqus team

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vintage Shenoy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Only you can come with such a gem .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The blog has become 15 per page…

    we need ten poems before it becomes 150 !

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  • Anonymous

    BLOG DEATH cont…

    Events at Chautha ceremony.

    Gopi will give a quotation from Mahabharata.

    Manohar is expected to give an alternate viewpoint which Shenoy is expected to contest.

    Mahesh will give a treatise on the flaws in the IT industry.

    Rajeev will of course speculate that the dumb giys of Infosys must be behind disqus.

    Pankaj will lament that why do we not do thihgs better.

    Shan can be expected to tell us how blogs in Midnapore and Middlesex are infintely better.

    And Vijay Kumar will listen to this and then take a sip of Johny walker ( sadness mein sip lelga bhaiyon) and then leave the bottle for Vinod Sharma…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    You have made me a Rudali. I am not one. I am more proactive. I am so busy, hence do not come out as my true self.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    All said in jest!! I know you are more proactive and always mean welll

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    knew it Vijay. I can also pretend to be hurt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    :) Nice to know that u were just pretending !

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj,

    Sir, you got the frame wrong! I was sayign that since you are so well meaning and earnest, you will lament that why should we Indians ruin a good blog…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    If this blog does not goes back to its original version than ..

    Aaj family ( bloggers ) ke pyar ne rok ke rakha hai
    Der se hi sahi lekin is blog ko alvida kehna hi hai

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right Vijay. This blog seemed to be aperfect adda for meaningful time pass as well as thought provoking tiem pass. But now with so many pages to click, it looks like a hard task.

    The cut and thrust and debate has disappeared.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    Adda is a gud word. yes it was an excellent adda. Sad that it got destroyed in software glitches…

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  • Dr Mishra

    KEJRIWAL, VEER SAVARKAR AND CORPORATE HOSPITALS 2011”””””””’

    Just back from a trip to south India, attended a meeting at Narayan Hrudalaya hosp. Met Dr Devi Shetty and Dr Ashley Da Cruz, two of the best known surgeons of this international center of excellence. At the opulent dinner for delegates, Dr DaCruz spoke of many things, but the largest cheer he got was when he spoke of the galvanising effect of a 75 year old man who captured the imagination of the nation AND INSPIRED US ALL TO DO BETTER.

    I saw a KRAANTI in the eyes of millionaire doctors in Corporate hospitals, that I am sad to say is missing from Vinod and the nay sayers on this blog. They want Kejriwal to be perfect- and in that they have missed the whole BLOODY POINT . Kejriwal is the voice of anguish at the loot of centuries, he is the ankur of a revolution. I care two hoots over his minor imperfections.

    To me, he is the rage of Veer Savarkar, who dared to break his shackles. He symbolises the rage of men who give up comfy jobs and lifestyles and campaign around the country in 40 degrees C. He is rattling the cages which house Amar Singhs, Kanimozhis, Sharad Pawar and Kalmadi- and I go to bed tonight in distant Yorkshire, happy that someone is doing the dirty task back home which will drag India into the 21 st century of justice and equality.
    .More power to you Kejriwal my friend, you will go far.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    When you post, I can feel, as if I am writing ths post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji, what can I say but agree with Pankaj- you write powerfully. Vinodji pl you pay doc saheb to remain on this blog. His life experiences and travels are too rich and must be shared. Ashish’s reply to Dr Shah Alam Khan had also been brilliant.
    I only hope that Kejriwall plays his cards right. Selfless crusaders get respect, the polish wears off in the akhada of politics. Anyone renmember Ramdev’s fall from grace ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mishraji, what can I say but agree with Pankaj- you write powerfully. Vinodji pl you pay doc saheb to remain on this blog. His life experiences and travels are too rich and must be shared. Ashish’s reply to Dr Shah Alam Khan had also been brilliant.
    I only hope that Kejriwall plays his cards right. Selfless crusaders get respect, the polish wears off in the akhada of politics. Anyone renmember Ramdev’s fall from grace ?

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  • Anonymous

    The man who attacked Prashant Bhushan can be seen standing close to Chidambaram (who was recently dragged into 2G scam by Pranab).

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  • Anonymous

    A news flash says members of the Sri Ram Sene and Bhagat Singh Kranti are protesting outside the Residence of Arvind Kejriwal in Ghaziabad , regarding “misuse” of Funds. So now it is becoming quite clear why the Police did not take action at Patiala House yesterday, and what many of us feel that all this is part of Congress Strategy to tackle Anna Hazare and his Team.
    … As the UP elections come closer , we should not be surprised to see more of such acts as part of its gameplan. A desperate Congress can be a dangerous Congress

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Saxena

    If this is true, then the Congress stands througholy exposed for using all means– including violence for derailing the movement against corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Praveen

    WHich channel is rthe news on?

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  • Anonymous

    Viju

    I am of the opinion that Prashanth Bhushan was attacked by congressis.

    Then BJP is not a lily either; look at paying the journalists. And, why, oh why the old man is doing this stupid yatra?

    I have not been blogging because this new format drives me nuts…I am used to the old format where I can see the sequence without having to go to multiple pages.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ gopi

    Welcome back !!

    U r right. This new blog format is absolutely USER Unfriendly. Who wants to click 40 pages to trace a comment?

    I hope the HT IT department is reading this.

    Yes, I am also coming around to beleive that the Prashant Bhushan attack could be a COnress game. If it is exposed that way, chop another 3% from the Congress vote bank.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    I had requested Vinodji that there should at most 200/300 messages per page, but HT’s IT team went to the other extreme and reduced it to 5 messages.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi / Vijay Sir,

    Here’s the photograph of one of the person who attacked Bhushan.

    May be some details will also help -

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-operation-bhushan-accuseds-family-bears-the-brunt/20111015.htm

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  • Pankaj#1

    Everybody;
    Yesterday again, saw a very old movie, Magnificient Seven. I think that was second English movie of my life.
    Tried to translate those characters for this blog, but we have many more than 7, what to do?

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  • Pankaj#1

    Hey, it is getting better. Suddenly, I can see fifteen posts per page. Cheers. But we need further improvement , at least 50 to one hundred posts in one page.

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~~ THODA HAI… ABHI AUR KI ZAROORAT HAI ~~~
    =======================================================================

    The HT IT guys finally did hear our war cries.

    But…

    O HT walon
    Kuch aur kar dalo

    150 comments per page yeh duniya maange…
    Please please jhuk jao hamare aage ….

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  • Anonymous

    *****************CASH FOR COVERAGE *************
    All Bloggers,

    It is reported that Mr Advani was doing a sting operation to show the World how corrupt journalists are !

    That is why money was distributed to the journalists who were covering Mr Advani’s Rath Yatra.

    The BJP official was the “whistle blower” and he was operating under Mr Advani’s instructions and supervision.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    os ot Prabhat in a new avatar?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I meant… is that Prabhat in a new avatar?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    Prabhat who ?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Prahalad

    Prabhat was a nice guy who balanced the blog with pro-congress comments. last heard he had taken retirement on the top of Kanchenjunga, after a trek.
    He had promised me a beer at ruby Tuesday, CP, but chckened out at the last moment. I am waiting for him to come out of retirement….

    We always needed him here… maybe u will fill the bill

    Anonymous Reply:

    Prahlad

    Depending on the content of your posts, all sorts of labels will be used to bracket you as either pro-RSS(*) or anti-RSS(**). Everything is black and white – as simple as that – either one is with them or not with them. There is no room for shades of grey or being a neutral observer or for constructive criticism.

    * to be so, there will be flowers and flowers all the way.

    ** to be so, is considered acts of blasphemy, anti-nationalism, unpatriotism, etc and you may be called a jehadi or a Pakistani – the list is long. They may even question your mental faculties, credentials, and motives – this seems to have already started.

    One of the tactics used is to obfuscate the issue you may have raised. In this case, you mentioned about journalists being bribed to cover the rath yatra and what are the responses -1) that you are Prabhat or 2) long post about Tehelka and media in general.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looking at his Advani fixation and Tehelka transfixation, there is strong resemblance to Prabhat’s posts. However, we do miss Prabhat today, more than ever, because with his “proxy-mity” to Vinodji, he could have managed to lengthen each page to at least 100 posts without most of us bleating and beating about the bush.

    Prahlad, can you manage this?

  • Anonymous

    With Yeddy’s arrest, BJP should stop taking high moral ground. They are becoming B team of Congress. No wonder people have rejected them. The people are fed up with Congress and don’t want a clone Congress to replace it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the tragedy. We do not better and creditable alternatives. One is as bad, if not worse, than the other. So people tend to choose the lesser of the multiple evils.

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  • Anonymous

    =========================================================
    ~~~~~~~~~~ HOW BAD IS THE NEW FORMAT OF THIS BLOG~~~~~~~
    =========================================================

    It is so bad that a persistent fungus like Engrich urf Tajendar has given up blogging out here.
    Imagine nothing could shake of this T _ _ _ _. This virus could not be killed by banning.

    But the new disqus format of 15 posts a page has done trhe impossible.

    Killed Engrich.

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    engrich Reply:

    aaj kal bhedie anna kee chaalon ko study kar raha hoon.why u brhmns feel happy by fooling indians.yeddurappa arrested.46 crores ka crown bhee` kaam nahin aya.
    salute to sonia jee and manmohan jee.deer ayad durust ayad.i am waiting a good poem from u.anna wants india to be slave of brhmnst.a civil war.like in libya.today they lost around 20 helocopter.
    ravi bhai aa jao ab to dr misra bhi aan agyee.balwinder je maharaj amritsarwale bhi naach rahein hain.
    ghar aya mera pardesi.

    unke dkhe se jo aa jati hai mukh par shobha,
    who vichartey hain ki rogee ki dasha uttam hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Some diseases can only be contained and not cured. Anti-India, pro-criminal–thug-pak elements are among those.

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    engrich Reply:

    what a stupid and rubbish reply.vijay hardly write anything worth replying.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    vij

    absolutel right —

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  • Anonymous

    50 posts a page would be good.
    On an average we get between 30-100 posts a day.
    So 50 posts a day would cover a days posts on most occasions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree.

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  • Anonymous

    Our own yuvraj attended the marriage of the crown prince of Bhutan.
    My informant says, on his flight back to Delhi, the yuvraj, in a vewry despondent mood, was heard humming this song repeatedly:

    swapn jhade phool se, mit chubhe shool se
    lut gaye shringaar sabhi, baag ke babool se
    aur ham khade khade, bahaar dekhate rahe
    kaaravaan guzar gayaa, gubaar dekhate rahe

    aankh bhi khuli na thi ki haay dhoop dhal gayi
    paanv jab talaq uthe ki zindagi fisal gayi
    paat paat jhad gaye ki shaakh-shaakh jal gayin
    chaah to nikal sakii na, par umar nikal gayi
    par umar nikal gayi……….
    geet ashk ban gaye, swapn ho dafan gaye
    saath ke sabhi diye, dhuaan pahan-pahan gaye
    aur ham jhuke-jhuke, mod par ruke-ruke
    umr ki chadhaav kaa utaar dekhate rahe,
    kaaravaa guzar gayaa, gubaar dekhate rahe………

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Neeraj ke is geet main Aaj bhi khasi jaan hai.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    these four lines seem prophetic for the yuvraj:

    aur ham khade khade, bahaar dekhate rahe
    kaaravaan guzar gayaa, gubaar dekhate rahe

    paanv jab talaq uthe ki zindagi fisal gayi
    chaah to nikal sakii na, par umar nikal gayi

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad,

    from Ashish’ post, here is an interesting news item of May 1, 2011:

    “Three weeks ago, Tehelka magazine ran a profile on the father and son lawyer-pair, Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan, who are on the Lokpal drafting committee.

    Authored by Rohini Mohan, the piece inter alia repeated the canard that had been artfully spread about the Bhushans: that they had been allotted two prime farm-house plots by Mayawati “for a song”; that they had evaded paying stamp duty on a mansion purchased in Allahabad; that a CD involving Amar Singh hinted at their dark dealings, and so on.

    The following week, Tehelka set the record straight, running a two-page clarification by the author of the original article, acknowledging that the magazine had got “some things wrong” on three key counts (see the Bhushans’ 11-page, point-by-point rebuttal here).

    The Tehelka clarification has elicited a response from prime minister Manmohan Singh‘s media advisor, Harish Khare, in the latest issue of the magazine:

    “Please permit me to put on record my appreciation of your decision to print a detailed clarification about the excellent cover story on the Bhushans. The clarification in no way distracts from Tehelka‘s commitment to responsible and rigorous journalism but it certainly is a welcome departure from the self-serving arrogance that has regrettably become the preferred style among many media practitioners.”

    From a reading of Harish Khare’s “response”, it is clear as day light on whose behalf the rag works “to expose corruption”.

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  • Anonymous

    =======================================================================
    ~~~ HT SOUNDS THE POLL BUGLE— Rahul handsome, Rahul genius, Rahule devta ~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————

    The front page of today;s Hindustan Times is a case study of newspapers and sycophancy.
    This is surely looking like a paper from Saddam Hussain’s regime or from Gadaffi’s Libya. That Rahul is our king, master and lord !!

    Wha Sharmaji Wah !! Ab toh Rajya Sabha seat pakki !

    One the main headline it has Rahul being projected as the guy who will get us and India a Lokpal — which was never done before !! Rahul the genius being credited for the lokpal with his draft being considered. Almost as if Rahul wanted it all along and the opposition was blocking his intention of cleaning up Indian polics and corruption.

    Then it has a photo of our clown prnce smiling like a circus joker while cheerleaders from The Bhutan prince wedding ceremony are clapping.. !! Almost as if to say that the dunce is loved internationally too….

    Wah Wah !! Hindustan Times
    You want India to have bad Times.

    by cheering for “Gaffe Prone”
    You want all of us to moan…

    With UP elections coming
    And power projects upcoming

    Is’nt that the real game????????/

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    Anonymous Reply:

    To remain in good books of Madam the congress chamchas will
    keep Rahul Gandhi in limelight and will keep on giving him the credit even if it is not due to him .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    Absolutely. Poora chamchagiri or sycophacny ka mahaul hai. If India wins the world cup… NDTV has a phto of rahul Gandhi bigger than that of the Indian cricket team on its channel, proclaiming that thanks to “mr Gaffe Prone Rahul ji” India wins the world cup.

    All these media guys look like jokers…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Clear case of indigestion. Cannot stomach (pun intended) the fact he gets all the attention and not the youth icons (Anurag, Varun, et al) from the other side. If it is case of chamchagiri or sycophancy – so what? What can you do anything about it?

    Regarding the world cup final in March – cameras were also on Advani, Jaitely and Co. (in VIP boxes) – You seem to have no problems with that. waah! kyaa baat hai.

    Why do you take these media “jokers” seriously by complaining? Didn’t the BJP buy some of them for Rs 500 only in Satna?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Generally I do not interrupt two people, when they are talking. But my question here is, You wrote that BJP tried to bribe Journalists with Rs. 500 ? Have they become so cheap now? What may be happening in Delhi, Bombay, when they are offered 5 Lacs instead? it could happen there as well. Further more, you wrote that Advani did not go to Satna at all, does it means that those 500 reupees, all of them, have gone waste? what a wasteful party.
    Further more, anybody criticizing Rahul for whatever reason is not accepted by you. Any reason?? I am all against character assasination but no body is above public scrutiny.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Read my posts carefully in this blog and earlier blogs too.

    I am not in favour of Rahul or anybody for the sake of it. Who says I do not accept criticism of Rahul or anybody else? I have not spared Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi, then why should I spare Rahul Gandhi? I call a spade a spade – there are no holy cows as far as I am concerned. I was only mentioning the fact that a person is invited to a wedding, a royal one at that, a picture is published in the newspaper and see the reaction – chamchagiri, blah, blah, blah. I was only commenting on the ludicrous reaction.

    The reason given for Advani skipping Satna were bad roads(*) – either you accept that face value or give a thought. Didn’t the yatra planners check before hand at the planning stage whether the roads were good or bad?

    * Couldn’t they think of a better reason? Bad roads reflect on the BJP government there. It is a case of double damage – allegations of buying journalists and bad roads. Can’t this party ever get anything right?

    Anonymous Reply:

    The reason the journalists spilled the beans because they were offered only Rs 500. Perhaps, if they had been paid more say Rs 5000 or 10000 each, they would have kept quiet – I am only guessing. So they are not so cheap after all, as you are wondering.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ manohar

    I think you did not see the NDTV website after India’s world cup victory. If you had… and in case you are balanced… either you would have laughed or puked.

    IT WAS NOT A PHOTO. IT WAS A MORPHED PICTURE.

    Here were Tendulkar, Dhoni, Yuvraj and the rest of the team occupying half the frame, and on the other side, a smiling Rahul, his face taking 50% of the frame as if he has beamed elightenment and benevelonce on the team…

    I met a NDTV reporter a few days later. She too laughed saying that it was one of their biggest blunders.

    Manohar, are you defending this sort of dynastic worship, akin of the infamous kim Sung 2 regime of North Korea or the rule of Gadaffi’s children who were going to get the inheritence?

    As for buying the media. I think Rs 500 is a joke. But if you listen to the radia tapes… a lot of media is soliciting the right buyer…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Someone else blunders (NDTV in this case and for whatever reason) and you blame Rahul Gandhi. Waah!

    Rs 500 joke is on the BJP – see my reply to Pankaj.

    You too should read my posts over couple of blogs.Nowhere I have supported dynastic worship. In case of Nehru-Gandhi family, the only person I admire is Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru – though he is no holy cow either. He completely mishandled the China policy.

    If you recall I had condemned Rajiv Gandhi for not doing enough to prevent 1984 in response to your post to me. I had asked whether you would condemn Modi for not doing enough to prevent 2002. There was a thundering silence from your side. You may have your holy cows – I have none.

  • Anonymous

    L K Advani’s nautanki skipped Satna on account(?) of bad roads in MP – a State governed by his party for the better part of a decade — which turns out to be a poor advertisement for the BJP’s ability to deliver on governance and not on account of the allegations of journalists being bribed there.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    What is your take on rahul being credited of dreaming, planning and en-visioning a LokPal so as to gaurantee that India becomes corruption free. And the news being projected that the COngress always wanted it, while Anna and BJP had opposed it always. That is why for 46 years Rahul, Indira’s, Sonia and Rajiv’s dreams could not be achieved….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Rahul Gandhi has expressed the view that the Office of the Lok Pal be given a constitutional status like offices of the Election Commission and Comptroller & Auditor General (to the sycophant Congressmen it is akin to a ‘firman’). It needs to be looked into it and I believe the Standing Committee (consisting of members of all the parties from both the houses of the parliament) is going to weigh the pros and cons of that. It will be the will of the majority of the parliamentarians and not one individual’s that shall prevail – the UPA does not have the numbers to push their (or Rahul’s) version through the parliament, especially in Rajya Sabha. Even you can write to the Standing Committee and make suggestions and they would certainly look into them, if it merits attention. There cannot be any provision in the bill or for that matter in any bill that is ultra-vires of the constitution. We have to work withing the system

    If you ask me and I have said this before, whether Rahul Gandhi’s suggestion is incorporated (it will require constitutional amendment with 2/3rd’s support of the members in both the houses) or not, the Lok Pal (in whatever the avatar) is not going to end or reduce corruption. This is like trying to find a cure rather than prevent it or trying to lock the gate after the horse has bolted.

    The methods and measures to reduce prevention lie somewhere else in the system. You could scroll though the earlier blogs to find out what steps IMO that need to be taken to reduce the menace. Many legal experts have expressed the view that existing provisions of law (perhaps with some tweaking) are sufficient to tackle corruption.

    Anna’s agitation has only brought urgency to have such a body, nothing more and I repeat it is not going to make an iota of difference, once the bill is passed. Another body of bureaucracy will created with attendant costs and no benefit in sight.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The gist of my arguement was that while the Congress has opposed the Lok Pal for 46 years, it now wants to give Mr gaffe Prone , Yuvraj Singh the credit… in case a bill is passed.

    How ironic !!

    Anonymous Reply:

    At least get your facts correct.

    The first lokpal bill was passed in the 4th Lok Sabha in 1969 but could not get through in Rajya Sabha, subsequently, Lokpal bills were introduced in 1971, 1977, 1985, 1989, 1996, 1998, 2001, 2005 and in 2008, yet they were never passed.

    Janta Party Government 1977, VP Singh’s government 1989 and the NDA Government in 1998 and 2001 – why didn’t they do anything?

    BTW, why no Lokayukta in Gujarat for the last 8 years? Have you any answers to that?

    IMO, there was/is no political will on part of all the parties to get this legislation through. As I have expressed it elsewhere, this bill is not going to reduce corruption and it will be a waste of time and money to create and sustain this monster – Lok Pal. IMO, it is a good thing that this has not been done so far.

    Let them give credit to whomsoever they wish – they are sycophants, I do not give a damn – I will give credit to the Parliament. The irony is that you are making a song and dance about it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    it is very misleading to suggest, as even the HC judge, Aqil Kureshi has done, to put the entire blame for the non-appointment of a lokayukta in Gujarat on Narendra Modi.

    Let me quote from the judgement of the dissenting judge, Sonia Gokani:

    Differing on this point, Justice Gokani observed that the state government had initiated the process in the year 2006 and the name of Justice KR Vyas was pending before the Governor’s office for three years. And, therefore, the state government could not be held responsible for the delay, she said.

    Justice Gokani also said that the Governor was wrong in asking the chief justice to propose only one name. She said the Lokayukta is not a judicial post where the doctrine of one name for one post applies.

    Allowing the government’s petition to quash the Governor’s notification to appoint Mehta as the Lokayukta, Justice Gokani observed that neither in the name of delay nor in the name of growing need, shortcuts should be permitted.

    “The parliamentary system should not take a back-seat in the process,” she added.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh, no! You again and attempting to obfuscate the issue.

    My specific question and it has nothing to do with the subsequent judgment the petition will be referred to a third judge.

    Why no Lokayukta was not appointed for 8 long years? The last time you tried to justify was all balderdash – do not rehash it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    First nauTanki, no response, except an attempt to divert it to another topic.

    Now another nauTanki.

    BSY complains of chest pain and is shifted to a hospital. Must have learnt this trick from the Congress.

    Comments, anyone?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar-

    Advani should not have undertaken this stupid thing..

    He could have undertaken one, like Anna, if he was not the head of another corrupt party (may be a lesser one than Congress).

    Now, as you discussed, his yatra only will bring the problems to the front – like Karnataka, the bad roads you mentioned etc

    His ego will destroy the chances his party has.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi

    Your favourite line is confirmed ” The BJP is working overtime ……..”

    Here is an interesting link, that says it all

    Controversy dogs Advani ‘yatra’ against corruption

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2541139.ece

  • Anonymous

    Guys what do you think of the statement given by our PM that RTI needs a
    critical review and Ms. Ambika Soni backing him on this . I think that this is a very good law and should not be touched .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    We learn as we go along in life.If the RTI Act is causing problems in governance, there is no harm in revisiting it. I do not think the Prime Minister is suggesting that it be watered down, perhaps he is suggesting tweaking and of course, the final call will be taken by both the houses of the Parliament. Remember, the UPA does not have the numbers in the Upper House to ram any bill through.

    Yes, it is a good law and needs to be persisted with, no question about that.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There is a concerted effort to dilute RTI act.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Dalit-PM-from-Congress-will-be-reality-in-near-future-Anil-Shastri/articleshow/10379143.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    The dilution can only take place by an amendment to the act by the Parliament (remember the UPA does not have the numbers in the Rajya Sabha).

    If amendment(s) do ever take place that would be with the co-operation of the opposition parties (BJP, Comrades, etc.) – then you cannot blame UPA alone.

    Having said that, if there are shortcomings or hindering effective governance, then I see no problem in tweaking the act.

    Let the Parliament revisit the act and then we shall know, as to what are the intentions of the Government.

    Don’t you want effective, speedy and good governance or you wish to create only problems and hindrances for the present government so that it can be voted out? Whichever party comes to power next, it will also face the same problems and hindrances and you will not get effective, speedy and good governance then also.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Everyone knows what these hinderancs are. Poliiticians and their deeds are being exposed because of this law. Recent
    scams like Aadarsh scoiety, mining scandal and to some extent 2G came to light because of this
    RTI act. I think not only UPA but all the political parties would like to weaken this law and they should not be allowed to do this .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I agree.

  • engrich

    ब्राह्मणवाद चला रहे हैं अन्ना: अग्निवेश
    same digvijay told a little earlier.

    i told first that anna is fraud and trained monkey of rss(rumour spreading society).his popularity was victory of brhmnst mediacracy.what this 7th fail jahil can do for india.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ BLOG ASHES DISPERSAL AT YAMUNA GHAT~~ All invited ~~~
    ==============================================================

    After the death of this blog, we are now at the onto the dispersal of the blog ashes at Yamuna ghat. Despite repeated requests by blogmates to make the blog feature at least 100 to 150 comments a page, to re-incarnate this blog, the resustication bid at the ICU failed and now we are the ash disposal stage.

    Pandit Vinod Sharma will conduct the ceremony at Yamuna ghat.

    Since the blog was truely secular and in the spirit of the Indian constitution, parallel ceremonies will be conducted.

    Gopi and Raju will give the blog a cermonial burial in a Christian cemetry.

    Shoeb and Usman will bury the blog at a Kabristan.

    Balwinder is requested to conduct the Sikh rituals

    In the end Shenoy will sing the manna dey song,

    Kasme waade pyaar wafaa sab,
    Baatein hain baato ka kya

    Hoga masiha saamne tere,
    Phir bhi na tu bach paayega
    Tera apna…
    Tera apna khoon hi aakhir tujhko aag lagaayega
    Aasmaan mein …
    Aasmaan me udne waale mitti mein mil jaayega
    Kasme waade pyaar wafaa sab, baatein hain baato ka kya

    Sukh mein tere …
    Sukh mein tere saath chalenge,
    Dukh mein sab mukh modenge
    Duniya waale …

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Irony is
    Vinod Sharma, the messiah could not save the blog
    The HT IT department, jo apna khoon hai, lit the funeral pyre
    Once the blog soared in the sky… aaj mitti mein mil gaya hai

    And we all were with the blog when it soared.
    But today
    ” Dukh mein sab mukh modenge…”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    You forgot me .

    And in the evening gam door karne ke liye we will go to a bar .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Of course we will go to the bar together !!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    gam bhulane ke live mein to piye jaoonga.

    By the way

    Will you leave your phone number on my email.

    melody_enterprises@hotmail.com

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan and Shenoy & Vijay

    Mohan, I hope Vinod Sharmaji remembers that this was among the top 5 blogs in India. he should not let it wither away…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Mohan,

    as the song says, “sab batein hain, baton ka kya, but where is the masiha hiding? Does he feel any pain at the blog’s losing its very life support? Why no respect for the “graahak”?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Vinod Sharma as the messiah should don the dress of Sharukh Khan in RA 1 and fly into the IT department fo HT and ….

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay

    Yes, it is such a shame that this forum is langusihing because the IT guys have messed it up. It is like an IT raid. But of course IT does not stand for income tax here…. but info tech…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, Shenoy, Sanjay,

    I am sure Mr. Sharma will feel the pain of all the bloggers and ORDER
    his IT department to do something about this .

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  • Anonymous

    Match has started. I will go home and watch. See you in the evening.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Vinod Sharma told us “What a brazen disregard of the electorate’s native wisdom!”
    We said no Sir …don’t be in a hurry …some election outcomes are a result of the electorate”s native wisdom …. and some are not. It all depends on what the outcome is.Three bye-elections and Congress loses all three. This can only happen because of the electorate’s naivette. Be it Hissar or Khadakvasla or Dharaunda.
    When the country asked questions on Janlokpal , or on 2G, or on CWG , the Congress Party heaped scorn “come and fight elections”… We have the most honest PM …”the Parliament is supreme ” . And sometimes with a forked tongue …So PM shall extend courtesy to Anna and wink at Digvijay to throw his stones at him
    The country waits … how long shall you bluff …and we recall what Mr Vinod Sharma told us….. “What a brazen disregard of the electorate’s native wisdom”

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  • Anonymous

    CONGRESS has lost the deposit at Hissar !!

    Is it the Kejriwal effect?

    Digvijay, COngress and Rahul baby should start thinking seriously and change their tune…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay, Praveen Saxenaji,

    it is a complete wash-out for the congress party in four bye-elections, not three. It also lost in Andhra Pradesh.

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  • Anonymous

    Neither the screaming and breast beating about Anna’s tie-up with the RSS, nor the antecedents of Kuldeep Bishnoi, who is supposed to carry forward the aaya-Ram, gaya-Ram phenomenon, have had any bearing on the victory of the BJP backed candidate.

    Kejriwal’s Fortuner seems to have, in fact, brought victory to the campaign against the congress party.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr. Shah Alam,
    you said, “So Sandhu ji do you agree that Kejriwal has entered the akhada of politics? In that case, this article of Sharma ji stands vindicated. This is a political agitation with support from the BJP. I hope you will not retract from this stand.”

    Now that the election result has come, do you still hold that Vinodji’s “stand” is vindicated? Not that we are very clear about the so called stand Vinodji has taken, except being anti-anything that has the BJP-RSS in it. That is not a new “stand”.

    Why don’t you see the truth? Anna’s agitation had the support-in fact overwhelming support- of all sections of the Indian society, which necessarily includes the RSS-BJP people in large numbers. The same was said about the JP movement. Did that make JP’s movement anti-national?

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Absolutely incorrect Shenoy sahib. Now that you compare the JP movement to Anna’s circus, lets make a few things clear. JP movement was a pan India, pan-culture, pan caste agitation with a homogenous set of people (or nearly homogenous set) with an open socio-political agenda. It was not at the sweet will of a few idiots surrounding JP. It succeeded because it had an appeal of vyavastha parivartan (its a different debate whether the parivartan came or not). As against this the Anna’s circus began with a gori Bharat Mata’s picture in April, with an anti-corruption appeal at Jantar Mantar. It was here that I heard the anti-reservation, anti-conversion, casteist slogans on full pitch. Anti -Corruption was only on platter to attract the audience. Come August and the circus metamorphosed into a a Gandhian movement with loud, overtly secular, uncouth overtones. Bharat Mata’s picture gave way to Gandhiji’s and the anti corruption rhetoric changed to an anti Congress rhetoric. Not that I support a corrupt UPA II, but this kind of mobocracy putting people over the parliament and the democratic process is detrimental to the our system. The inequality of gender, caste, religion and economics is so real in this country that its not only dangerous but plain foolish to follow the jugglery of one man who tries to change governments on personal fetishes. As for the UPA, the writing is clear on the wall, who needs an Anna to translate this transcript? We are in a democracy where people have to get ELECTED not SELECTED by themselves to drive home the message of corruption.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Doctor Sahib

    A standing ovation for your comments.

    The only point to note (which I suppose you are aware of) this homily is not going to cut any ice with the likes of Shenoy and his fellow travellers, given their mind-sets.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good that you ‘rushed’ to give a standing ovation to Dr.Shah Alam. In the coming days, rest assured, you will get fewer and fewer opportunities to even stand up and be counted.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Alam’s response has really discomforted you, put you off-balance and you must be squirming in your ………. (take your pick). I am looking forward to your response to him.

    I am not here to stand up and be counted (that is for the insecure types – perhaps you are one of them). Get that misunderstanding out of your little mind.

    PS: I have made note of the “threat” (rest assured). Yes, your fans and chelas will be instructed not to engage with me. Who cares?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam Saheb,

    It is Ok that you don’t see any similarity between Anna’s movement and JP’s movement. If you were around those days, the pro-establishment people called JP’s movement too a circus. Some also called it nautankies orchetrated by the RSS; and the sangh was later banned for the very same reason. Both agitations made corruption as their leit-motif and central theme.

    Your objection to the display of Bharat Mata in the backdrop by Anna sounds unsurprisingly similar to Digvinash Singh, who drew the conclusion by looking at it as Anna being supported by the RSS.

    And I am pained by your description of the agitation as mobocracy, despite there being discipline among the supporters and peace, both exemplary and unusual.

    I would very much like to hear more from you on the “writing on the wall” for the UPA.

    And, getting elected in our democracy is only for the hoi polloi, the aam aadmi etc. Not for the dynasty. The unseemly and crude attempts that are underway to foist the yuvraj on an already suffering nation is not my idea of “getting elected”.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Mr. Shenoy, I am pained by your fear of the dynasty. its akin to the imaginary enemies created by the Nazis in the pre holocaust era. I didn’t even mention the “Yuvraj” then there was no need to be paranoid. Anyway my “writing on the wall for UPA” seems to be music to your ears! No wonder I can see where your loyalties are and in a democracy you have all right to have your heart at the”right” place. Again I do not agree with your analysis of the JP movement. I am yet to read one article (except may be by the sycophants of the time) condemning the JP movement in a way in which the clown and his his team has been condemned in recent times. If I sound like Digvijay Singh, thats your problem Sir, not mine. You again have every right to conclude on imaginary foes. To me Mr Singh is a sycophant of the Gandhi clan and he is doing his duty well. Mobocracy is not only the means of using violence to intimidate (like the post Godhra riots of Gujarat). Mobocracy is to make a just or unjust demand based on the shear strength of numerics. Whether that numeric is legal or illegal, moral or immoral is probably the point I wanted to hammer.
    Finally Mr Shenoy I write what I support. But I am afraid Sir, in your case I do not see the same honesty. You seem to support the BJP (maybe the RSS) but haven’t ever confessed this on this blog. Is this not moral corruption? I only hope my last analysis is god damn nonsense.
    truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Alam

    Another standing ovation, much to the chagrin of Shenoy.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thank you Manohar ji. I only hope that everybody gets to see light at times when we are so used to this darkness.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Khan

    You are welcome. As you must be surely be aware, it is pointless to put forth reasoned and alternative view-points across the likes of Shenoy & Co. They will not even agree to disagree.

    Any (mis)deed of their heroes is no misdeed at all or justifiable or due to the fault of its opponents (Nehru-Gandhi family, Congress, other religious communities and whoever else who does not toe their line)

    They have only one-point agenda – Modi to be the Prime Minister and a related nightmare – Rahul Gandhi becoming one (wonder how many times they wake up in horror in the middle of the night). It is easy for them then on – hallucinating about demons and enemies.

    The fact that both of them are not competent enough (IMO) to hold the august post is completely lost on them.

  • Anonymous

    @Mr Sharma,
    You take umbarge ( display of sensitivity or displeasure ) on being labelled a unethical, dishonest congress propogandist.
    But here is a sample of adjectives you have felt free to use against others in just this one blog.

    Anna Hazare : self-professed Gandhian
    Goons who attacked Bhushan : Violent right-wing reaction
    Swami Agnivesh : unfairly branded a Congress Trojan Horse ( thanks for the humour)
    Anna Hazare : a bit of a militarist, a la the RSS

    I am sure I missed some.

    Do you get the point ?

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Rajiiv
    You will agree in your moments of truth that there is disillusionment with Hazare and his team. Did you not hear the news that two of his core panel members have dissociated from his campaign today because of its political nature thanks to the likes of Kejriwal. Please also answer my question as to why Santosh Hegde is unhappy? Wasn’t he sidelined when he ruled against Yeddy?

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  • Anonymous

    Anna should make his views clear about Channu Sharmila, Human rights in
    Kashmir, Salwa Judam and he should have opinion on Sanjiv Bhatt arrest and
    release on bail . I was foolish to think that he was fighting against the corruption in India. Why not than journalists also
    ask him about our foreign policy, defence policy, economics of India, trend
    of stock market etc. As Aashihs has said in previous article that Anna is only
    fighting against corruption and filed is open for others to take crusade against
    other issues and leave Anna team to fight this battle.

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  • Anonymous

    You being an intelligent person, a self-introspection (Chintan-BaiThak!) would answer your own questions. There should be no need for anyone else to furnish explicit answers.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Shah Alam

    Welcome back to the blog !

    Dr Alam I have an axe to grind here ! Sir, do you really think anti-corruption can only be a monoply of people whom you like or for that matter I like?

    No sir, the anti corruption movement has to be broad based. From the far right to the far left. It is possible that you would have ideological differences with the Anna movement. Even I have them. But you have to acknowledge that only this movement got the issue to centre stage. We have to give them credit and congratulate them for being hard headed.

    Let me push the issue further. You would, it seems admire an anti corruption movement only if it were to be lead by forces who are for a) reservation b) not bothered about conversion c) casteist , you mentioned Anna was, I dont see how, so I will leave this.

    Now translating this into the actual realities of Indian politics, who exactly are the people who fit into the mould of the anti-corruption guys you would love

    a) Mulayam Singh and Mayawati

    b) Lalu

    c) COngress

    d) CPM and CPI

    Well out of the choice you have given us, a, b and c are anyway very corrupt. So thier anti corruption movement would be a farce.

    Choice d is an oxymoron in today’s context. CPM has been booted out of Bengal and probably has an agenda of being a mental slave to China. Something Indians would never want their ruling party to be.

    So in the end in case we were to go by your thesis of an anti corruption movement being only pure if it were to be restricted to certain groups, I am afraid, such a movement would never happen…

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Hi Vijay, Even though I was away, much hasn’t changed on this blog! and I must say, I yet again, fail to even appraise likes of you with my view point. Lets take each point one by one…on merit (as you may like that!):
    1. Issues like corruption can never be monopolized by few. Neither by those whom you like nor by those whom I adore. So we are talking on the same page. This is not the issue with the Anna movement. The issue is the malice behind the will to fight any x, y or z social problem. I think you have missed the point completely. I keep coming back to the same point again and again. Its a choice of satta and vyavastha, along with neeyat. My argument against Anna is on all these issues. The neyat of those who surround him (and to an extent his own) is not right. They, it appears, just want to change the government at the centre- replace one corrupt system with another corrupt system and I don’t agree to be a participant to it.
    2. The movement HAS to be broad based, you are again correct but Vijay sahib Anna’s movement is NOT broad based. It has a particular skewing towards middle class, urban, high caste Indians. The metropolitan theatrics involved in this anti-graft movement with a negligible rural base goes on to prove my point.
    3. I would admire an anti-x,y, z movement when it would address vyavastha change, no matter who so ever wants to carry it along. I have said in my earlier responses that caste, economic divide, religious intolerance & illiteracy are the biggest forms of corruptions which plague this nation and unfortunately haven’t seen any of the members of team clown address this. Its not important who leads the agitation, its vital what and where we are being led. Look at the Arab Spring and Occupy Wall Street protests. Both are leaderless movements which shook up the foundations of colonialism and capitalism through out the globe.
    4.You did not agree on my calling Anna a casteist, fair enough. Its your take. I have been tot he “model village” of the old man and was amazed by the strict caste divide which I presumed to be the reason d atroire of his existence. There is enough to read about it. I can send you a few articles if you are looking for evidence.
    5. I don’t know why you bring up people and parties like you have mentioned. Thats the key Vijay sahib, its not about individuals. It’s about issues which you support and which i support. By the way the conspicuous absence of Yeddurappa, Modi, Bal Thackrey from this elite list of yours does show where your heart lies…..good that at least sub consciously you are honest, unlike many others who come in a garb on this blog.
    I hope you have understood me better now. We live in a world which is based on inequalities of a billion types, in India these inequalities take a violent form now and then. The histrionics of Kejriwal and the nautanki of Kiran Bedi is not the call for revolution. The cry of the hungry next door may be. I prefer to wait for the critical mass to accumulate before jumping the gun.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Alam

    I have replied to you in the new blog… as I was not sure whther you would visit this older one.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    “Why does this movement become tainted if RSS supports it?”

    It was Anna Hazare who rubbished Mohan Bhagwat’s claim of support and active participation. Anna and his team should answer as to why?

    Yes, I agree, every party plays a communal and/or a caste and/or a regional card, but it is only the RSS that gets bracketed as a communal organisation and most others do not wish to touch it. Why is it so? Should the RSS and its supporters introspect or that is to be outsourced?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandon,
    RSS is just trying to take advantage of Anna’s movement.

    “but it is only the RSS that gets bracketed as a communal organisation and most others do not wish to touch it. Why is it so? ”

    The reasons can be many. One reason may be Congressi media (journos like Vinod) who shield congress from any communal taint. Let us not forget every journo (of Vinod’s generation and even after) has congressi upbringing. This is the major reason that RSS gets tainted but Congress is spared.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) RSS is just trying to take advantage of Anna’s movement.

    Yes, but it landed up with egg on its face.

    2) The reasons can be many, there are and not without reason. They are too well known to be repeated.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandon,
    I agree with the first one and totally disagree with second one. More than 4-5 generations of Indians have congressi upbringing and that makes them very defensive of Congress.

    You take any walk of life, you will find Congressis dominating it. The IAS/IPS cadres, govt. employees are either congressis or have congressi upbringing. All these NGO wallahs are pro-congress gangs who pretend to be voice of people. The NHRC itself is full of congressis..When Rahul blurted out inaccurate info. on Bhatta-Parsaul, NHRC intially did not agree but when it got dressing down by Congress, the WRC (women rights commission) fabricated a report to prove Rahul right.

    The only way to get rid of all the malaise is by detoxifying this country of Congressism and then not allow other toxicants RSS or communists to pollute the national psyche.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Check out new thread

  • http://www.facebook.com/bappam Bappa Mukherjee

    Vinodji,
    You said on Nidhi Razdan’s show Left, Righ & Centre that the only way Team Anna’s intervention in the Hissar bye-election would be considered meaningful if the Congress candidate lost his deposit. Now that this has happened, what do you have to say?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Loss of Memory laced with anger towards Anna…is what is Vinod’s reaction.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It is the dumbest thing to say.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Bappa Mukherjee
    I stand by what I said. In retrospect it seems the campaign has to some extent worked against the Congress. Jai Prakash got 1.40 Lakh votes but yet his lost deposit as the polling was high.

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  • Anonymous

    “His ONLY qualification is he can sustained hunger ten to twenty day.”

    This “ONLY” speaks volumes about your stand of Corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Read today`s newspaper how his assistants are fumbling in Delhi.Small hint is sufficient to Anna for dance on tune of politicians.He is hypocrical is proof of Rahul accident .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ramesh;
    What else you are enjoying ? apart from fumblings of aides of Anna?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankajji,
    Typical desi attitude..Always pull down common man and hail the Queen.

  • Anonymous

    Mr.Shenoy,
    Congress is no better than Jamat-e-Islami or RSS or Muslim league. It has stayed in power by dividing Society. It was the first party that used casteist equations such as KHAM (in Gujarat) to stay in power. All parties whether communal, casteist or regionalists owe their ideological existence to Congress, the mother of all evils.

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  • Anonymous

    Hisar, Khadakvasla, Daraundha and Banswada are tight slap on face of Congress and its corrupt supporter.
    Karnataka BJP should take lesson from this else face same kind of slap.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    you seem to forget that the BJP won the latest bye election to the Koppal constituency. Besides, it had won all the three in April too. All these results came when Yeddy was already a liability for the party and was on his way out.

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  • Anonymous

    Hisar By-Poll: Bishnoi Wins, Cong Forfeits Deposit

    So what ? No one can put stop to the ‘bay-sharmi’ and ‘convoluted-lies’ that Congress propogandists are capable of.

    The scams have yielded enough funds for all Congress candidates ‘jamanat-japt’ for 100 years and more.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    A) “The only way to get rid of all the malaise is by detoxifying this country of Congressism and then not allow other toxicants RSS or communists to pollute the national psyche”.

    There cannot be a vacuum – who and what is supposed to replace this Congressism?

    .B) “You take any walk of life, you will find Congressis dominating it. The IAS/IPS cadres, govt. employees are either congressis or have congressi upbringing. All these NGO wallahs are pro-congress gangs who pretend to be voice of people. The NHRC itself is full of congressis.”

    All cannot be foolish. There must be some merit in what this Congress Party stands for.

    Also was this culture forced down their throats or was it personal choices?

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  • Anonymous

    One of your better articles Vinodji. BUT I THOUGHT A GROUP OF CRUSADERS HAVING INDEPENDENT OPINIONS= about Kashmir, Salwa jadum etc =was a healthy sign of ddemocracy.
    Did Gandhi, Nehru, Bose, Ambedkar, Sardar Patel all agree on everything ? Kejriwal, Bhushan, Anna, Kiran, , Hegde, they all bring different strengths to the table. Main koi galat boliya??
    More important the maun vrat of our star bloggers like Mishraji, Gopi, Shoeb, Vinay is perplexing. Dr mishra, sir hope you did not mind my joke on u and ashish eating humble pie hehe. Pl come back sirji, u really know how to ignite debate

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    MR .SHARMA,AT YOUR AGE ,I FIND YOU PARROTING ,WHO SAID WHAT AND MAKING A STORY.
    IF YOU CONSIDER SUCH QUOTES AS JOURNALISM ,I FIND YOUR WRITING DISGUSTING.
    INDIA WAS RULED BY TURKS ,MUGHALS ETC BY SWORD.
    BRITISHERS RULED US THRU MENTAL SLAVES LOOKING FOR BENEFITS FROM MASTERS.
    I WILL LOVE TO SEE AN ARTICLE WITH INDEPENDENT VIEWS WHICH WILL MAKE YOUR CONSCIENCE PROUD OR YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ everyone.
    Got high regards for Congress. Equally, got high regards for RSS. where I have my contempt is extreme position of both right and so called secular forces. My heighest regards are for nationalists, who say, India and Indian interests are supreme. Khujli to bahut ho rahi hai, par roti ka bhi sawal hai. I am( alse) not in higher category, who can sacrifice everything. ( Blame my woti, sorry to say this and me partially.)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “Got high regards for Congress. Equally, got high regards for RSS.”

    It looks like you are a Satan worshipper ;)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev;
    Think what is wrong with Satan? Just because of Satan, God is distingushable, had there been no Satan, I am sure, there would have been no God. What Ravan did wrong ? Just avenging his sister. What did Duryodhan do wrong,he was just trying to save his kingdom and avenging initial insult from Draupadi. Evey character has many facets and you can find good, even in a worst character. Ha Ha

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I was just trying out western mindset where there is only black and white…NO GREY.

  • Anonymous

    =====================================================================
    ~~As per Congressis– ANNA WOULD BE GOOD IF HE SAYS RAHUL MAI -BAP ~~
    =====================================================================

    The general thrust of all COngressi chamchas is same.

    If Anna saya “Rahul is good , handsome, genius of Nehru and Einstein combined” Anna would be acceptable.

    If Anna says, “Digvijay is God, Sonia is MOther India” Anna would be loved.

    Otherwise Vindoji and his brigade will use all means to tar anybody who wants to remove corruption and the corrupt…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Anna has invited Rahul to visit his village-News.

    Anna has started liking Rahul.

    Anna has just found that both he and Rahul suffer from the same disease:
    FOOT IN THE MOUTH.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And how discomforting for Shenoy, who must be squirming.

    For Shenoy, until yesterday, Anna was a hero, who challenged his (Shenoy’s) enemies and objects of hate and today he has become a …………..(take your pick).

    In fact, yesterday, in response to Dr. Shah Alam Khan’s post (see previous blog), Shenoy had compared Anna’s movement with JP’s movement and today its a complete U-turn.

    Fickle minded, or just fickle anyone?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    I think you have hit the hammer on the COngress head. They are trying two strategies.

    a) To make Anna bend by setting the government agencies and Digvijay SIngh team after him

    b) Or get him to bow before Rahul or make him feel that the PM empathises with him.

    In the end the COngress does not seem to want corruption to end.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You got that right but there is much bigger picture. See my new post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I think the real issue is about removing corruption. There is no point in forgetting the bigger issue and getting lost in what SHenoy said about Anna.

    We need to come out of our prefixed seats and use this as an opportunity, rather than let the COngress derail the whole thing…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay

    I was only commenting upon Shenoy’s discomfort which is clearly visible by his post.

    You should look at your own prefixed seat – your premise is that the Congress out to derail the whole thing (?????) – if it is so,people will see through it.

    Please take the trouble of re-reading my posts – I always debates issues and events and not personalities. I call spade a spade, which cannot be said of many of the bloggers here, who carry their holy cows on their shoulders.

    .

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay,

    the real issue is that the congress party is losing it and it shows in the spate of humiliating results.
    The real issue is also that it is out to destroy Anna’s team and his movement with able help from willing editors like Vinod Sharma.

    But real issues be damned, if he can get his comment in, even sideways, like: “you are pathetic, your discomfort is seen in your comment” etc.

    And he claims to debate issues and not personalities!!!!

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    in your blind hatred for Anna and those who believe in his movement, you forget that as an Individual, Anna is not infallible, just as Gandhiji was not. If you remember, though Nehru was gandhiji’s chosen heir to the nation’s gaddi, Nehru bid good bye to all that Gandhiji stood for, including prominence for village industries, prohibition, khadi etc.

    If Anna is fallible it by no stretch of imagination means that his movement too is bogus, which you have been propagating all these last few weeks.

    If I hold Anna and his movement in very high esteem, it doesn’t mean that I have lost my right to call attention to some of his weaknesses, which are always highlighted by our media.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ah! You will never get it.

    My post was in response to your comment, nothing more.

    I have no blind spots – so no blind hatred, because I debate issues and not personalities.

    Your post shows your real discomfort (you may or may not agree), because in your book it seems one of the rules is

    My enemy’s enemy is my friend and my enemy’s friend is my enemy.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Too many ‘I’s, deleterious to good health and likely to lead to bloating of the head.

    Anonymous Reply:

    There you go again – instead of debating the issue, you choose to get personal.

    In any case, you worry about your own mental health, not mine as it is none of your business.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Anna will pull the rug under Rahul. While Rahul will pull the rug under Anna…

    I think Anna is too smart to fall for Rahul’s selfish overtures.

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  • Anonymous

    I am talking about the vacuum at the centre.

    What can these regional and caste based outfits bring to the table? Not much, except to further their own case, nation be damned.

    Going by the past experience, it is sure recipe for instability. Even the Janta Party in 1977 was peopled by persons of various ideologies/interests, wearing a common uniform on the outside. It did not last long, in spite of the fact of the towering presence of Jai Prakash Narayan.

    The third-fronts and fourth-fronts turned out to be even more brittle.

    Other than “roti, kapda aur makan”, the voter also looks for stability.

    In the earlier blog, I had agreed with you and had said that we do not have any better and creditable alternatives.

    Do you have a plan / road map and the time frame as to how the present rot can be replaced?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandonji,
    May be this vaccum will cleanse out politics and public life. I won’t mind a brief period of Anarchy if it leads to cleaning up the system. The corrupt people like Lalu, paswan, Sonia, Yeddy, Chidu, Nishank etc. needs to be weaned out of system.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not agree. There cannot be a vacuum for even short period of time – say not even an hour. At the time of independence, one of the first acts of the independent India was to swear in the Prime Minister and his cabinet.

    Anarchy has never solved any problem. For example, from what I have read – the Jasmine Revolution in Egypt is tottering (you can correct me on that) – may be something good will come out of it – I am not so sure.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna has said that if Congress (Sonia) passes Jan Lokpal Bill then he will prostate in front of Sonia and Rahul and work for them. Not even one journalist found it objectionable. Same journos went beserk when Mad congressmen were associating Anna with RSS.
    Why is pro-congress stand appreciated but pro-BJP not? Is this not a proof that media is Congressi in its culture and ideology?

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  • Anonymous

    This was overdue and is to be welcomed. Better late than never.

    I hope the community will have learnt its lessons – promoting one’s religious identity over one’s human and/or national or even ethnic identity does not pay, on the contrary one has to pay a very heavy price. Religious beliefs and practices must be confined to the four walls of one’s home or a place of worship.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Religious beleifs and practices must be confined
    to the four walls of one’s home only. Places of worship
    should be used for other better purposes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I am not at all a religious person (all that rituals, blah, blah, blah – I do not give a damn about them), but I would not object to even places of worships – helps in bonding, sense of belonging, social interaction among people, etc. Moreover, if the rituals there give people – peace of mind, satisfaction and they think that their lives are better because of them, so be it, there is no problem. Think of them as clubs / community centres / picnic spots and should be open to all.

    There are scores of shrines all over India, where people from all religious faiths go there for “mannats” for betterment of their lives. I have no problem with that. Everyone is not as rational as you and me think we are.

    Having said that these places of worship should not be allowed ti become centres of spreading hatred / discord among the people.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    What you are advocating has been discussed (between Gopi, Ashish, Mahesh, myself and perhaps others too) some blogs earlier, where in it was suggested that there should less macro governance at the centre and more governance at the village/town/city and taluka level.

    Maybe, earlier people may have been dumb. Not anymore – good governance is acknowledged and parties are returned to power, people also know who is blowing one’s trumpet and who is not – separating the wheat from the chaffe.

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  • Anonymous

    If what Vastanvi’s fate is any guide, this is going to be a non-starter.

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  • Anonymous

    Has Sanjiv Bhatt started imagining that he is no more in the service but an important Congress leader of Gujarat. Does he not know that bail is constuctive custody of the Court .Are there none amongst his friends in the IPS Asscn of Gujarat to tell him that his statement that “Modi is a common criminal” is an invitation to strict disciplinary action. Or that now that he enjoys the “concern” of the Government of India and its Home Minister , so he shall enjoy immunity from the Service Rules and the Police Manual. Ofcourse the Congress Party shall not tell him so because it is its own gameplan and aspires to make him its mascot in Gujarat, the Vaghelas and the Modhvadias and the veterans all reduced to nobodys.
    What if an Officer of the CPMFs or an official of the Home Ministry was to say publically that the Union Home Minister is corrupt and he made money in the 2 G scam? Shall not such a officer face the strictest diciplinary action?
    ….Those who find Anna’s Maun eloquent should also ponder about the Maun of the official backers and protectors of Sanjiv Bhatt.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    The ultra-secular Bhat’s bail has attracted world wide comments, a sample of which are here:

    Salman Khurshid: this shows that whatever the pressure, the Indian judiciary is idependent. I congratulate Shri Bhat.

    Bhat: The judge has upheld my appeal that my life is not safe inside Modi’s prison and I may be killed anytime soon.

    Teesta Setalvad (before Bhat’s release) Nobody’s life is safe in Modi’s Gujarat (outside his prisons).

    Ayatollah Khameini: Bhat’s release is good news for all those who value freedom of expression and secularism.

    Pope: I admire Indian democracy, which respects and lives side by side with dynasties.

    Chidambaram: I congratulate Bhat. I wish Krishnaji, the Maoist leader, too was arrested and put in Modi’s jail. He would have been alive and free by now.

    Rahul Gandhi in US ambassador’s ears: Dear Ambassador, as I have told you often, Modi is more dangerous to India than the LeT, JuD, Taliban all put together.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    You forgot one quote
    The Political Editor of HT – Sanjiv Bhatt is the last hope for plucking the Lotus from Gujarat.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Digviansh Singh in Rahul’s ears, “kya ab main anti-corruption ko phir attack karon…?”

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Your comment is in extremely bad taste. I have never approved of his methods and tactics You can debate his methods and tactics, demolish his statements, etc., but there is no need to get personal. Is 7th class pass truck driver not a human being? He has as much right as you to voice his opinion and take any action – as long as he does not break any law of the land and does not harm others.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev,

    when Manohar chooses to respond to you, you must please have copies of hisposts in the last four blogs, so that you will get a glimpse of his “thinking” and some idea about the import of what he implies.

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  • engrich

    wahabism is like brhmnsm created by zoinists to destablize societies.

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  • Anonymous

    Sandeep,

    Vinodji might well say that it is not their job to reform society. The fact is that many senior editors were busy making and unmaking ministries, ministers and other kind of deals with the likes of Nira Radia. Some editors were busy discrediting team Anna with fake CDs.

    When nothing worked with the millions who supported Anna, now this politico-journo combine is busy splitting the anti-corruption movement.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Thanks Manohar;
    I have never discussed personalities. Congress of yore was a great party but now it looks that free booters have infiltrated in quite some numbers in both principal parties and just to strengthen their number in parliament are ready to compromise with every principle. That is my sorrow.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I agree, Pankaj.

    What is the alternative?

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  • Anonymous

    These are no barriers at all for some of our bloggers, because they are naturally and amply endowed with these required attributes.

    you have to just read the posts to see how easily at least one of these has surmounted the barriers.

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  • Vinod Sharma

    Has this gentleman called on his hero Yeddy in jail?

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================~~~ ANNA BECOMES INDIAN OF THE YEAR— On NDTV ~~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    Life is funny. On one side NDTV and Hindustan Times are doing there best to derail the Anna movement.

    On the other, the NDTV poll has chosen Anna as the Indian of the year….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Congress’s proxy NDTV is trying to buy Anna and his team..Remember NDTV’s Barkha’s role in 2G (Radia tapes). These pro-congress TV channels work overtime to promote Dynasty and Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    Maybe u r right. Paise ke liye kuch bhi karega…

    Or maybe it is the paisa of TRP ratings…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    the order for the selection must have come directly from 10 Janpath. I remember, in the film “From Russia With Love”, the Russian chess player was asked to lose the game to his American opponent, even though he was winning.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    I think all these Padam awards and other awards are being used as bribe to buy loyalty. BJP too did this and Congress has done it for 63 years directly and indirectly thru proxies (NDTV, IBN etc.).
    It is sad state of affairs.

    As for media, for common people, it acts as eyes and ears of common people. If both eyes and ears are compromised, people will never know the truth. The journalism is not only a profession but also a social service. In my understanding journalism should be for benefit of common people not for benefitting political parties, corporates and other interest groups. There is an urgent need to detoxify media but with people like Vinod Sharma, Chandan Mitra, Vinod Dua, Vinod Mehta, Prannoy Roy, Barkha rani, Vir, N.Ram etc., I don’t see any hope because most of these journos are ideologically committed to some particular parties.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    There is nothing wrong in journalists being sympathetic to one ideology or the other. The problem arises when one voices his/her opinion without disclosing their loyality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    100% agree. There is no harm in disclosing political leaning..After all even journalist are human..but the ideal behavior expected from Journalist is neutrality.

    Anonymous Reply:

    It’s no fun watching a match as a neutral. To enjoy it, you have to support someone and as they say – the fun increases if there is money involved.

    It’s no different here.

  • Anonymous

    You should know Akbar the great and Mohammad too were illiterate. The education has got nothing to do with personal conduct.

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  • Anonymous

    A) My understanding of Anna’s team
    I have been thinking about Anna’s movement and his team and their constant overuse of tongue. I feel Anna’s team has very diverse elements who will part ways as soon as Jan Lokpal is done. Here is the composition of Anna’s team-
    1. Anna – Gandhian Showman and a Congressi. He has said that he will WORK FOR CONGRESS if they give him Jan Lokpal. Why should ‘HE WORK FOR CONGRESS’? No one has objected to this statement. His use of Bharat Mata first and then Mahatma Gandhi’s pictures show that he is ideologically confused but at heart he believes in Congressism.

    2. Arvind Kejriwal – Very committed to Jan Lokpal and is not averse to working with Right. This is the reason he is perhaps the most hated member of the team.

    3. Kiran Bedi – Over-excited well-intentioned but motor mouth. She seems to be anti-congress (may be because of her experience) and kind of sympathetic to BJP.

    4. Justice Hegde – He is basically an inactive member who reacts more with media than within his own team. He too seems to be sympathetic to Congress.

    5. Prashant Bhushan – He is committed to jan lokpal but he has other agendas too which are not acceptable to any of his team members. He is Arundhati’s man in team who will finally use this platform to make noises for Maoists and Islamic terrorists (especially from Kashmir). Basically a radical leftist.

    6. Shanti Bhushan – Anti-Congress for sure..nothing more than that.

    7. Swami Agnivesh (ex-member) – This guy was the Congress’s trojan horse in Anna’s team. A total disgrace. Good riddance.

    B) How this movement is going to end?
    Looking at latest utterances of Anna, it looks like Congress is working with Anna’s thru back channels (ex. Thomas visit to Ralegaon Siddhi and subsequent Rahul meeting drama). The deal may be that Congress will get a compromise Jan Lokpal bill passed in next winter session but will like Anna to give all the CREDIT to Prince Rahul so that they can encash it in 2012 UP elections. Once congress does well in UP election because of new feather in its hat (Jan Lokpal), it will use same card in other elections. Anna may work fulltime to promote Congress..and when this is happening Kejriwal will fall wayside, sulking, Kiran Bedi too will part ways and may be seen in the company of Advani. Prashant will go back to his favorite passtime of abusing India on Kashmir and Maoist insurgency. Justice Hegde might stick with Anna, indirectly working for Congress. Swami Agnivesh may be rewarded with some Padam-Bhushan by congress for his services.
    Vinod Sharma will write praises for Anna and will express gratitude for his work towards promoting Congress. NDTV will again bestow Indian of the year award to Anna. Anna will be bought by Congress and media but not by money but showering glory on him.

    As for BJP, it will go around showing how it was behind Anna’s movement..It will be too late..They will return to opposition in 2014. During this time some of hindu right wing members will be convicted of terrorism thus putting a permanent terror mark on RSS.

    The biggest news will be that DIggi will enter 2014 cabinet as Home Minister.

    India deserves this…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev, the oracle.

    Anna’s team is already breaking up, if the latest reports are to be believed, Rajagopal and Rajinder Singh, the waterman ( http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1817/18170810.htm ), are dissociating themselves from it. Looks like Arvind Kejriwal will be left alone holding the baby.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I can see the glee in your eyes as u write this.

    Just to remind you the score in the recent by-polls was 0-4 for Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What else can you see?

    1) Hissar – Congress had no chance at all to begin with – Jai Prakash was third in 2009 and so too yesterday – this time he lost his deposit. Your beloved BJP could not find a candidate to fight the election – any comment on that.

    2) Bihar – Nitish Kumar routed the Congress and others last year (it was a massacre) , so too yesterday. He is going great guns.

    3) Andhra Pradesh – the same person who had won the election earlier on TDP ticket and then resigned, fought this time on TRS ticket and won.

    4) Maharashtra – the seat was held by MNS earlier and the NCP tried to cash it by fielding the wife of the deceased MLA. Did not work.

    So what else is new? These seats were never the strongholds of the Congress in the first place. Of course, you and others have all the rights to celebrate 0-4 loss for the Congress. One should not prevent others from celebrating whatever they feel is worth celebrating. Now I can see the glee in your eyes. ;-)

    I do not agree wholly with the predictions made by the oracle above. It was fun reading it. I may comment about them later.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Dont get blinded by the gora chitta complexion of Rahul. Many people I have talked to and are enamoured of him are because honestly speaking, becasue fo his gora rang.

    Incase he was dark skinned (like me :) ) … maybe you would have second thoughts !

    but seriously speakign why dont you ask the Congressis to make Rahul a junior Minister,,, say civil supplies or transport or health just to shoow his mythical prowress??

    I mean in case you need surgery for your heart, would you go to an experieced doctor or would you go to a fresher??

    Answer this honestly….

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    You should admit that Congress is very powerful political force. It dominates almost all walks of life. Almost 80% of the Indians have direct or indirect congress roots. It is not so easy to upstage congresss. It is master at communal and caste equation. During *** end of Anna’s last fast, Bukhari started barking on Anna. Who was he barking for? Of course Congress..then another dalit nutjob Udit Raj started questioning dalit participation in Anna’s movement..He was doing Congress’s bidding.

    Congress is working in the background to consolidate Dalit-Muslims-Christians-Pro-congressi hindus to reach 40% mark so that it can again occupy centerstage. The only way to counter Congress’s strategy is to divide this consolidation. The muslims should be divided as Shias-Deobandis-Barelvis-Ahmedis-Pasmandas. The NDA can target Barelvis-Ahmedis-pasmandas and a section of Shias. This was successfully done by Nitish in last Bihar elections. The Dalists should be further divided by playing Nitish’s strategy..Mahadalits should be identified and wooed. The christians are firmly with congress because they have more faith in catholic sonia and probably catholic Rahul.

    Anna is basically a side-show. There is a new fad among Indians to talk about honesty etc. but I can say with 99% certainity that till shortcuts to get things are not plugged, 99,9% of the Indians will choose shortcuts and remain corrupt. The main thrust should be to use technology in all fields and plug all the loopholes that enable shortcuts.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    It is sad but what you have said will most probably happen.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Rajeev

    A well written piece.

    I think BJP is digging its grave by projecting Advani who is very old and will not win the hearts if the youth even against a dunce like Rahul.

    I think the old man is smart enough and will see through rahul and Digviansh’s game, who would immediately sideline him in case he breaks away from his team.

    However the danger of the Gaffe prone Rahul becoming the PM is everpresent.

    Imagine a guy who has never worked for a living in his life. And he is asked to run a country as complex as India.

    God save us,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,
    What are people doing to stop Rahul in his tracks? None in the media does a story that shows real Rahul to India. He will become PM no matter what you or I say because he is owner of Congress (I) Pvt. Ltd. who owns India by proxies.

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  • Prateek Trivedi

    Vinod Sharma,
    I saw you on some TV channel claiming that Congress would anyway lose in Hissar
    If congress looses deposit, then it would mean Anna factor
    That has happened now. What do u say now?

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  • Anonymous

    Gopi

    Lest you missed this

    Rajinder Singh – the Waterman

    http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1817/18170810.htm

    Water security which we have discussed in earlier blogs.

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  • Shah Alam Khan

    Dear Vijay ji,
    You seem to take the debate to a level of your own understanding. First and most important please try to understand that those who oppose the clown and his team are not corrupt, not pro Congress as much as you, as a Pro Anna man, do not want to be labelled as an RSS/BJP supporter. Look at Mr Shenoy’s reply underneath. He choose not to answer any of my questions in the last string and instead went on the illogical, tangent path. In fact he is one who has never given me an answer on this blog ;-)
    There are faults with everyone. As doctors we are taught to evaluate constantly and change practice. My issue is NOT with the personalities (whom I am convinced to call clowns!) but with the soul of the movement. To you it looks like a “revolution of honesty” but unfortunately this revolution of honesty is catering to the needs of the few…..the few elite Indians like you and me. the common argument from people like you is that “isn’t corruption affecting the poor?”. Absolutely it is but the movement in question does not seem to address anything which has a lower caste, lower income, rural context. Anna’s deafening silence on a number of issues is so dangerous that it puts of the likes of me. Has Anna or any of his clowns ever spoken on the massacre of Khairlanji? I presume you too will go up to Wikipedia to enquire what I am talking. Do they know the reality of vidharba cotton farmers? Have they EVER gone out of their cosy nests to look at the issues which peril thousands of adivasis in the Narmada valley? Have they ever tried to introspect the hunger of Kalahandi? Or for that matter have they ever tried toengage in a sincere debate on the economic policies which benefit you and me at the cost of millions? The moment they start doing all this, they will become inconvenient to the likes of you and me! How can parivartan come for the elite few? And very correctly you pointed out the problem brewing up in Egypt. Don’t you think anything of this nature will happen once “team clowns” run over the parliament in the garb of anti corruption? Imagine the forces which will be in power once the clowns take over Delhi! This may sound music to you but for me its a nightmare in the making. You mentioned the Arab Spring but you conveniently chose to ignore the most exciting happening of the decade- Occupy Wall Street. I see that as a movement which will change the world (hopefully) for the good. As for numeric strengths I am sure that we have seen larger crowds on the streets of Srinagar and Aizwal? But they are inconvenient to me, to you and to the republic so we chose not to refer. Right? The line between revolution and jingoism is so thin that we always err one for the other when the packing is changed.
    Vijay ji if you read up the history of world revolutions, you will realise that every revolution requires a critical mass to detonate. The critical mass is not made by a set of people….it comes from intrinsic evolution of the social order. I am sure that an army deserter, a lathi yielding police wali and an ex bureaucrat will not decide the context of revolution for a race of people who have a non violent freedom struggle in their heritage……surely not!
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi
    PS: in one of your strings you had asked me if I can accept a director from outside AIIMS. Cannot understand the folly behind the question. If it was out of the paranoid on Rahul Gandhi, I never said that he is a PM material very much like Modi (and his cousin Varun) who is always considered a star PM stuff by the khaki walas. And yes I would surely accept a director from outside AIIMS…whats the big deal? Sorry no pun intended but honestly I couldn’t understand your logic on this one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Khan

    A third standing ovation.

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  • Anonymous

    Shenoy,
    The problem is Shah Alam’s communal mindset. The muslims are allergic to anything that may directly or indirectly hurt muslim interests. Shah Alam knows that Anna’s movement may benefit BJP thus this contempt. The muslims are master in disguising their hatred into some kind of intellectual argument.
    The basic fact is he is a muslim who sees Anna as an ally of BJP. All this clown, circus etc…are peep into the hatred that he carries in his heart.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv,

    I hate to admit it, but you have shown what lies beneath the thin veneer of secularity and liberalism Dr. Shah Alam is displaying for public consumption. And plainly and clearly the veneer is slipping, dangerously exposing the real man hiding uncomfortably beneath.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Manohar;
    I hold you in some esteem as you represent alternative( What is this thing?, different for different persons) view quite effectively. But, I am surprised with your vehemence against Shenoy, this reminds me, the annoyance shown by Vinod against him. Like Vinod, you were OK with Ravi and his fellow travellers and at times you will say, ignore them but again with Shenoy, you do not hide your anger/ annoyance. Why? Is he not entitled to have an alternative view? Is he more satirical than allowed? NO, any body and everybody, including you, are entitled to wield their pen, as one wishes. The only thing which , I hope, puts off most of the bloggers is foul language.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Some wars are fought using proxies…Vinod is doing the same. Vinod could not match up to Shenoy wits so he got Prabhat, Manohar, Ravi on his side to counter Shenoy.
    Manohar is just doing his part.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    here is something for you to chew on:

    Dr.Shah Alam calls Anna Hazare a clown, his movement a circus and his team idiots.
    He also calls them a pack of clowns and idiots who dance around Anna, the biggest clown, with a “Gori” Bharat Mata benevolently looking down at them.

    And Manohar is so overwhelmed by Dr. Alam’s oratory and demagogy, he stands up and gives him a big ovation!

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    I am happy that Dr. Alam is back to the blog. Quality of blog has suddenly improved as some nuisance has disappeared. I would like to engage with Dr. Alam as I find him ideologically commited to some vague cause and share a disquiet with many, witnessing a painting of Bharatmata, which translated stands as Mother India. For many people, mother India carries no threat but reverse is not true.
    Anyway, so many deadlines to meet. Damn this capitalist system. Ha

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Thanks for writing what I perceived as appreciation……do let me know if its otherwise! Jokes apart, let me clarify the Bharat mata bit. I wrote in one of my replies to Mr. Shenoy “….gori Bharat mata”. My pun was not Bharat or mata, as has been put up by Mr. Shenoy. More than anything I am amazed at the “gori (fair)” aspect of Bharat mata. How can Mother India (as you correctly decipher Bharat mata) be a fair lady when more than 80 percent of the “mool nivasis” of this country are either dark brown or to an extent black? Isn’t this a corruption of sorts where we change the color of our own mother to make her more palatable for mass consumption? Or was it a deliberate attempt to send a signal to the remaining 80% local natives that this agitation is not meant for you! I am reminded of Christ being shown as a white man with blue eyes by the racial West even when we know that someone born in Nazarth can only be brown even if we stretch our imagination to the max.
    Hope you understand my view-point. Always good to be in touch with you.
    truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Dear Dr. Shah Alam Khan;
    Thanks for your reply. Yes my letter was in appreciation to you, stating that by your participation, discussions have improved. Sorry, I will not be able to read all your posts, written in this blog, because of paucity of time, hence will concentrate only to your post to me.
    I have high regards for fellow doctors and particularly to faculty in AIIMS, as you people can easily earn 10 times more in private sector, if you chose so. Having said this, still I will say that I do not agree with you when you describe Mother India as GORI. This word has different connotations, if one start stretching ones imaginations, which I believe was not your intention. Now even caste hindus, whose ancestors, we believe, were Aryans and as they migrated to India, brought their genetic/ climatic colour with them. Lot of intermixing happened and also due to climate, most of the people have acquired blackish hue. When I am wearing bushshirt,in North America, my arm is fairer than my forearm. Subsequent conquest by Moghuls and then britishers, also reinforced prejudice in favor of a fairer colour. So, depicting our beloved person in fairer colour is almost natural and it crosses all barriers of caste, religion, mool niwasi or expatriates. In a lighter vein, if colour is only decisive factor, in your selection of wife, what you will prefer. In all honesty, I will prefer a sanwali jhalak, whom I can call, kala namak, kala Gulab or Black diamond. Too much white appear to me Cadaverish. Well jokes apart, pitting Mool Niwasis and upper castes is not condusive to social harmony. No one in this blog supports caste system, everybody has sympathy for downtroddens, however, how to ameliorate their lot, people have different opinions.
    lastly, as you proudly come with your muslim name, shows you have no hidden agenda, and I still remember you defending India and Indian Muslims against a Pakistani muslim. You may have other approach to problems, but I will never call you communal.

    Shahalamkhan Reply:

    Thanks Pankaj ji….its because of people like you and because of Vinod Sharma ji that I feel coming here now and again. As for gori wife, my wife is….kala namak!!:-)
    Jokes apart I don’t think what you write is true. We Indians are biased for fair skin. Please sow one matrimonial advert in any indian newspaper which doesn’t describe the girl “fair”. Imagine this in which other country will male bollywood stars promote fairness creams? The aryans are surely not the mool niwasi…..not as far as I know history. their intermingling gave some of us fair skin but that doesn’t lessen the crime we, outsiders, have perpetrated and continue to perpetrate on adivasis and local tribesman of India. There is a hell lot of literature on the subject in case you are interested. Remember Pankaj ji, even today 20percent of fair skinwalsa rule the 80% of mool niwasis. How can you rubbish off the mool niwasis without actually defining the problem? This continues my core issue of contention with the team of clowns which is hell bent on being called the soldiers of honesty! This is the biggest moral corruption in my eyes.
    Great to e in touch.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

  • Shah Alam Khan

    Read this Vijay ji:
    I suppose this is from one of the blogs I wrote in July of this year. I am a doctor, but I keep my eyes open
    and ears on the ground. I love to hear the rumblings below….a stark reminder that I live in India! The pain is unbearable and ubiquitous:
    According to a recent report of the Times of India (link below), in 40% schools of Shahjehanpur, Badaun and Pilibhit districts, teachers do not taste the mid-day meal food and students refuse to eat it since the cooks belong to lower caste. We can imagine if this happens in a state which is ruled by a dalit Chief Minister, what would be the conditions in the rest of India. Imagine this is happening in 2011 in a country where hunger deaths are reported on a frighteningly regular basis from Orissa and Maharashtra.
    I am reminded of Albert Memmi (in Racism): There is a strange kind of tragic enigma associated with the problem of racism. No one, or almost no one, wishes to see themselves as racist; still racism persists, real and tenacious.
    Now replace RACISM and RACIST with CASTEISM and CASTEIST………Welcome to India-2011!
    Link: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-06-07/india/29628941_1_mid-day-meal-midday-meals-districts-children

    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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  • Anonymous

    Is Arvind Kejriwal a Gandhian ? …. Far from it .Rather.. if an Eminent Editor is to be believed he could be a BJP Proxy …But is he faking to be a Gandhian …some would certainly say so ..after all why should he let go and make an appeal to the Police to free his assailant ..who acknowledges that he was Congress Seva Dal volunteer..
    On another day we saw on TV, a slipper being thrown at the great Gandhian Janardan Dwivedi of the sole Gandhian Party …the Congress . Another true Gandhian , a gentleman by the name of Digvijay Singh rushed into that room and threw the assailant down ,kicked him ..punched him and thrashed that person black and blue along with his Gandhian “Seva Dal” volunteers…
    But let us not be distracted by such trivia. There is a larger task at hand ..Hissar cannot be allowed to be repeated The next one is to be taught a lesson. Now who would that be ..touching the Lady may be risky ..in any case IT notices may succeed . Others .. shall be seen.. More innovative Gandhian ways have to be found
    After all the battle for UP has truly begun.

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  • Anonymous

    Kyuonki hum hain Gandhi ke asli Lal

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  • Anonymous

    Amazing India.

    Only Sonia Gandhi can bring strong Lokpal: Arvind Kejriwal

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Only-Sonia-Gandhi-can-bring-strong-Lokpal-Arvind-Kejriwal/articleshow/10409153.cms

    Excerpt

    “The answer is that only Congress president Sonia Gandhi can do so. Her direction to the Congress-led UPA government can ensure a strong Jan Lokpal, which can put all corrupt politicians behind bars be it those belonging to BSP, SP, BJP or Congress,” he said at Jhulelal Park.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    AND SINCE SHE HAS NO DESIRE FOR HARAKIRI, SHE WILL NOT.

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan

    If you have read my posts for some months now – I have always questioned the methods and tactics used by the Civil Society to make the politicians do something about corruption – forget the specific Jan Lokpal bill(*). Sure they scored some brownie points in full glare of TV cameras, thats about it. I have always advocated that to do so you have to work with the system and not outside it or confront it. If Mr. Kejriwal has realized now – better late than never.

    I have very serious doubts about Sonia Gandhi’s clout over the Parliamentarians and whether her directive will make the Parliament do her bidding. Also one has to be aware that there is the Supreme Court – any unconstitutional hanky – panky will be struck down. People are giving too much weight to her “authority” outside of the Congress Party. Here Mr. Kejriwal is perhaps mistaken.

    Only the Congressmen dare not defy her and she is not the ultimate power outside of the Grand Old Party.

    To get an effective (whatever that means) Lokpal bill will need constitutional amendments, requiring 2/3rds majority in both the houses – and the UPA does not have it, leave alone the Congress Party. Other parties may not play ball.

    * Their version of the bill has been a flawed one from the start. By now you know my stand – this Lokpal / monster is not going to reduce corruption. Will only add costs, nothing more.

    He should have made this appeal to the all the heads of various parties, not to her alone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Did Kejriwal appeal to Sonia Gandhi to bring Lok Pal ?
    He said that only Sonia Gandhi can get this bill passed as
    he believes that she has the clout over parliamentarians – which you dont believe – and she can coerce them to sign
    on the dotted lines if she wants.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    I would like to know as to the basis of your belief that Sonia Gandhi has clout over the Parliamentarians – I am totally at a loss. She is a president of a party, just like Nitin Gadkari is of BJP.

    The other parties, especially the BJP, will tell her to go take walk.

    At most, she can convene a meeting and request the chiefs of other parties to attend, where they could discuss the issues involved. In any case, such a meeting would be meaningless, as the standing committee is studying the various aspects of the proposed bill.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    Sonia has absolute clout over 202 Congress MPs. Rest can be managed using tools such as CBI…Job done.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I have based my opinion by reading such articles.

    http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_040430.htm

    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2009-05-22/news/28403164_1_rahul-gandhi-upa-leaders-young-leader

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    OMG. You are “more loyal” than the Congress sycophants. They will be mighty proud of you. ;-)

    Rajeev

    CBI pressure works only on the few, not on all – so it will not make much difference to get to that 360 votes in Lok Sabha and about 180+ in the Rajya Sabha..

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    I am surprised that you have compared Gadkari with Sonia Gandhi. In BJP there
    are many leaders who can challenge Gadkari without caring about the consequenses — like Advani, Modi, Sushma
    Swaraj, Arun Jaitley and Shourie. Is there any one in congress who can go against the wishes of Sonia Gandhi.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you will be surprised to kn ow what Jagan Mohan Reddy told Sonia Gandhi on her face, that too in her own den, when she had called him for a patch up.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan

    Is there any one in congress who can go against the wishes of Sonia Gandhi? Of course, not.

    Same is the case with Jayalalitha, Bal Thakre, Mulayam SIngh, Karunanidhi and lest you forget Mayawati, just to name few.

    In case of the BJP, Nitin Gadkari is just a front – a mukhoTaa. No one dare go against the wishes /firmans of Mohan Bhagwat & Co.

    So what else is new?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Typical politicians reply.
    We are talking about Gadkari and Sonia and you bring in Jayalalita and all others .
    Any way as usual we agree to disagree but it always is nice to discuss with you.

    Anonymous Reply:

    But then they are no less autocratic and many are even worse.

  • Anonymous

    Pankaj

    I am always game for civilised debates with anyone.

    After your post last night and my response this morning – you must have noticed what he has been up to (see above) – taking umbrage of me giving an ovation to Dr. Khan. What should I do? Give him another KO punch or pity him? As I see it, he is incapable of engaging in intelligent debates and his irrelevance is clearly visible. In his bid to make himself relevant, his energies are expended on attempts to sow discord on this blog – taking on his perceived enemies, adversaries and demons, trying to incite his admirers too – the fact that he gets beaten blue and black in the process is besides the point and is completely lost on him. At other times, his arguments are bereft of any logic and common sense and he seems to be oblivious about it. He should stick to satirical rhyming verses and earn a few claps, if you ask me.

    Having said that, I await another irrelevant avalanche form him.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    To a person who found Ravi and Tajender very very agreeable, very relevant and highly capable of intelligent debate, I do come across contrary to all that these two “Indian Gentlemen” represent.

    Incidentally, Tajender was expelled from the blog by Vinodji himself and you would do well to at least try to learn why. Was Vinodji anti-intelligent, relevant, capable debaters, that too on his own blog?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Have your say and be happy. I do not give damn as to what you have to say.You may abuse me to you heart’s content. You have proved yourself to be beyond redemption and repair. You do not exist for me anymore. From now on, it will be a royal ignore. Got that.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad

    Some of the bloggers (see earlier blogs) here have giving very high marks to the Empress of Poes Gardens – vis-a-vis fight against corruption and administrative capabilities, and expect to her play very decisive role at the centre, some even suggesting that she would be an “ideal” Home Minister under equally “ideal” Prime Minister – Narendra Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Well, the best home minister would have been Karuna, right?

    Do you also know the ideal portfolios for Raja, Kani and Maran?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar

    Do not jump the gun and reach such ludicrous conclusions. I will not comment on the content of your post (not worth the paper it is written on), but will make a personal observation.

    The problem with you is that if one criticises X, you automatically assume that one is in favour of Y. Sorry to say, you need to really grow up.

    It seems, in your world view, there does not exist any independent opinions, no shades of grey or criticism of people on both sides. You make your life very simple – either one is with you or against you.

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  • Anonymous

    I have been loving this debate. Gentlemen Dr shah alam khan and Manohar, pl you do not attack Shenoy personally. I like all 3 of you, disagree with all 3 sometimes but agree WITH SILENT MAJORITY ON BLOG HERE that some target Mr Shenoy unfairly.
    Full 100 percent marks go to Vijay for best contributions on Rahul gandhis inexperience and for brilliant analogy that Dr Alams comment that Anna has not spoken about xyz is like Vijay engineer not speaking about Shakespeare.
    Dr Alam pl be prepared for strong, not rude , response when you call Anna team clowns. You make terrible diagnosis this time doctor. I await yr reply on ALL my points above

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Balwinder ji, whether my clown comments hold true or not, time will tell. As for your remarks on my being personal with Mr. Shenoy, I beg to differ. Go through all the blog strings and tell me a time when I had been personal on him…..in fact go through all the blog strings of last 3 years on this blog and show me one comment where I was personal with anyone (I have argued with the likes of Azhars and Shenoys with equal force), and I’ll stop coming on the blog. By the way I would like to know your thoughts on Mr Shenoy and Mr Ashish C calling me communal. If thats not personal, nothing is. Anyway I did ask you a question in the last blog as well, and you maintained silence. Sir, blogs like this are media to understand and retrospect and I always try to argue on these lines. People like Vijay ji and Pankaj ji, do engage but then others either maintain silence or use bits from replies to hammer their point in.
    Finally I appreciate your “diagnosis” comments.But Sir diagnosis is not “made”, it is best concluded upon based on evidence. The team clown’s diagnosis is a conclusion of idiocities of hope…of people like me and you……I would be extremely happy if I am proved wrong this time around! At least my nation will go the right way.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Saab,

    Let me say, again, I have NOT called you communal.

    Now, let me quote Balwinderji, who too has NOT called you communal:

    “You sirji, a doctor should proceed very carefully when THE SINGLE BIGGEST PEOPLE”S MOVEMENT WHICH HAS ELECTRIFIED PEOPLE FROM THE CHOWKIDAR OF MY FARMHOUSE IN AMRITSAR TO THE MILLIONAIRE PUNJABIS AT MY GURUDWARA HERE IN LONDON, is labelled as a movement of clowns.
    ….. Immediately even I, who like your posts, wonder how you think like Saba Naqvi and Jawed Naqvi of Dawn who sneer at Anna and are distressed by slogans of vande mataram and bharat mata. Maybe your reasons are different, but the nations faultlines open up.”

    I agree with Balwinderji 100%. You have tried to trivialise a truly great national movement by calling it names.

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    AshishC Reply:

    @Shah Alam Khan,
    Can you please quote where exactly, in which sentence, I have called you communal?
    Your post (to which I responded) was far from perfectly argued, and I will say that again. But, I can make the point without calling you names.
    I do not visit this blog frequently any more owing to pressures on the work front- so, it is only by chance I saw Balwinder and then your posts- “AshishC called me communal”.
    This matters to me. So, I would be deeply obliged if could quote the offending passage which called you coomunal in any of my posts addressed to you and I would humbly apologise.
    If it was a misunderstanding on your part, I would understand but, do please clear it up.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Ashish,
    Thanks for clarifying. I apologize for wrongly dragging your name. It was RAJEEV S and Shenoy sahib who didi the honors. I presume the “C” and the “S” got me confused. I am really sorry. Look forward to a healthy debate with you.
    Truly
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Alam,
    having seen, from close quarters, the working of AIIMS and Safdarjung Hospital for two years, though many years ago, I can understand the kind of stress honest and good doctors in these two institutions have to slog under. Therefore, I can understand your confusion and fogginess while reading names here. For the second time, let me say that I have not used the word communal for you.

    AshishC Reply:

    Thank you sir. You are most gracious.
    This new blog format does not make it easy; so, I trawled through 20 pages of content to look for where exactly I said what!
    I shall try and frame an answer to the points you raised; right now, my working hours are such that I shall need professional attention from all the doctors here very soon- for everything from hairloss to ingrown toe-nails and all the parts in between!
    Have a good day.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You wrote “Manohar, pl you do not attack Shenoy personally”

    Fourth request to lay off Shenoy. No strictures against him for the innuendos or spreading canards. First ask him to behave – attacks will automatically stop.

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  • Anonymous

    This is just my hunch. I have seen how some people ganged up on Shenoy at the instigation of Vinod. Initially Vinod was okay with even Tajender attacking Shenoy.

    Shenoy has sympathies for RSS but that does not devalue his arguments. You have to admit that he is the best poet on this blog and has a unique style of putting forth his arguments.

    I may or may not agree with him because at the end of the day he like you and me thinks of Indian first unlike Tajender and his sidekick Ravi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I do not agree.

    By now it should be obvious to all that Shenoy invites attacks on himself – you must have already checked my reply to Pankaj earlier in the day.

    Why would people only gang up against him (as you are presuming, but not true) and not others? For example, why not against you for that matter?

    Best poet or whatever does not give him the right to get personal with others. Unique style, huh! You may think so, not me.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s fine..but he is yet to stoop to the level of Congress supporters (Vinod being one of them).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is a matter of individual opinion. You have yours and I have mine.

  • Anonymous

    Shah Alamji,
    I have lived among muslims for very long and know exactly how they express themselves. The deception is part of muslim psyche. You are no different.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That is the problem – you painting everybody with the same brush.

    What about Dr. APJ Kalam – former President. Is he also given to deception like the rest?

    I could list many more names, if you wish.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    AJP Kalam is among 5% good muslims who stand disowned by their own community.
    How many times have you heard leaders of muslim community praising Kalam especially Secular ;) Bukhari.

    Then the real good guy Arif Mohd. Khan stands totally marginalized for his support to muslim women rights.

    I am not saying that there are no good muslims..all I am saying is that their percentage is miniscule compared to rabid fanatics.

    Why don’t you stay among them for a long time..May be 5 years? You will get shock of your life…What goes on in muslim ghettos is beyond our imagination.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Unacceptable.

    You cannot brush everyone or even 95% or whatever with the same brush – your prejudice is showing. Sorry, just not done and I am very disappointed with you (you may give two hoots), but I had to put it across.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Please show me one statement from any muslim religious leader praising Kalam as good muslim (to be followed).

    If you do that I’ll not only apologize to Alam but also take back my words.

    Anonymous Reply:

    You still do not get it and that is the problem with you, Rajeev. Sorry to tell you this again- prejudiced mind to the core.

    Moreover, it is strange that you should seek opinions from religious leaders or others who are in the same slot you have created for the community.

    I do not care what others say about anyone. I am capable of judging for myself any individual, based on his/her views and actions.

    We are not on the same page.

    Shahalamkhan Reply:

    Manohar ji, identity and violence are the sine qua non of social hegemony. Honestly I can understand why and what Mr.Rajeev & Mr. Shenoy say. Let them be happy with their ideology…..lets propagate ours and let me tell you this site is the media to do this. Unfortunately my presence here is limited by a busy schedule at AIIMS. I thank you from my heart in supporting my views on this forum.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Khan

    You are welcome. I would initiate a debate with you separately about the issues you have raised later in the day.

  • Anonymous

    There is new development on Anna front. There are some activists who are deserting Ann after CONGRESS’S HISAR DEFEAT. This has exposed congressis who were in Anna Camp working from inside from Congress.

    Now Anna should do same against BJP so that all the activist sympathetic to BJP are weaned out of this movement.

    These two parties are the problem not the solution.

    By the way the guy who attacked Kejriwal is a committed Congressman, Chela of Rahul for past 6 years…Jai Ho..

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  • Anonymous

    Doctor saheb, this nihang shoots straight from hip. I think sadly that Indian muslims are UNFAIRLY labelled communalist on occasions. You sirji, a doctor should proceed very carefully when THE SINGLE BIGGEST PEOPLE”S MOVEMENT WHICH HAS ELECTRIFIED PEOPLE FROM THE CHOWKIDAR OF MY FARMHOUSE IN AMRITSAR TO THE MILLIONAIRE PUNJABIS AT MY GURUDWARA HERE IN LONDON, is labelled as a movement of clowns.
    ….. Immediately even I, who like your posts, wonder how you think like Saba Naqvi and Jawed Naqvi of Dawn who sneer at Anna and are distressed by slogans of vande mataram and bharat mata. Maybe your reasons are different, buy the nations faultlines open up.
    Still, Shenoy and that sweet boy Ashish should NOT have called you communal.
    You said team clown is idiocity of hope=sir= whatever they may not be, but ANNA, KIRAN, KEJRIWAL, BHUSHAN are DECENT HONEST PEOPLE and I see sunshine of hope of new dawn in them. Sorry you missed the tsunami of change completely.
    Is baar mareez ki nabz theek nahi padi dr saab

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    Shahalamkhan Reply:

    Nafas ka hisaab London se baith kar lagana zara theek nahi hai Balwinder ji :-) Anyway thanks for supporting me on being called a communalist……doesn’t matter, I am pretty much used to it now. You compared me to Saba Naqvi and Jawed. I can only say that their thoughts are governed by an agenda, I write from my heart. If I feel this way, I am sure it is this way till I see a perceptible change in the situation. In “team clown’s” case I am convinced of the malice and egoism involved. Taking the nation to ransom on the basis of minuscule urban numbers is and cannot be revolution for me. I still await the day when the thunder will roll under the feet of us Indians and you in london will feel the rumblings….that day will come Balwinder ji.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    AshishC Reply:

    Still, Shenoy and that sweet boy Ashish should NOT have called you communal.
    Huh?
    When did I ever call ShahAlamKhan communal???
    I find his reasoning faulty and would like to come back someday to properly debate the issues. But, I did not call him communal.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Shah Alam

    I am answering your posting out here as the format of this blog is so damned idiotic that to see a reply one needs to click 20 pages.

    a) Your belief that I am putting a label of a Marxist/Maoist on you. I think that is shooting of on a tangent ! You could and I could have sympathy for the cause– my reaction would be that it is a state failure to provide employment and development in deprived regions as well as poor corrupt governance.

    I would NOT appreciate them taking to the gun or for that matter the ideology of Maoist massacre they follow.

    b) Your belief that I am ignoring the casteism that prevails in India. No, I am not. However my prescription for improvement would be diffferent.

    Today a huge chunk of India sees satellite TV. I think the mass media could have been used to damn caste.

    I think the only reservation India requires besides that of Scheduled castes in education and jobs is of priests from all strata of society in Hindu temples. Why not?

    In many colonies in cities, places are earmarked for religious buildings. The state could have been proactive to ensure that the priests in these would be of all strata.

    Today at least 70% of India goes trhru some form of schooling. We could have used the schools, with a chapter on social studies to damn casteism and inculcate a feeling of equality in young minds.

    I can give you a a list of at least 50 other ways how caste could have been eradicated.
    ————————————————————————————————————————–
    Now let me ask you a reverse question. You have still not answered my query on the suitability of Rahul for the PM’s post. That how you would react incase a fresher was appointed as an AIIMS director just because his father was one, years back…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay,

    Problem is that though the father was not a freshman but was just a sophomore . He did not go through the stage of a juniour and senior and
    still was directly appointed as a Dean . And now to be in the good books of
    Madam the chamchas in his party are trying to make the freshman a dean.

    Who cares about the country it can go to hell .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    As usual you can make us smile. Yes… an appropriate similie…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Mohan,

    at least in the “gaffe” department, Rahul is the chip of the old block.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Here is a riddle:
    0 rupees prize for solving this one !
    ————————————————–

    Gafee gaffe gaffe
    main hoon kaun ?

    I am a gora like JOhn
    But it is better if I stay maun

    Because people say I am a quixote like Don !!

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks for the reply Vijay ji. you have exonerated me from all the allegations- good for me! Thanks once again. Well, I donot know how you got an impression that I think Rahul should be the next PM? I consider him a political idiot who surely has benefited from the dynastic principles of India’s political system. Surely there would be many more deserving candidates even within Congress than Rahul! Coming back to core issues, sorry Vijay ji 70% doesn’t go to school. Read P Sainath’s Everybody Loves a Good Drought and particularly the chapter, “Thats the way we go to school”. It will be an eye opener. Did you read my note from Racism which I posted on the other page? If you did and if you agree with it (which appears from the reply above that you do to an extent), you don’t need 50 ways to eradicate caste system from our system…theres only one way- clear and sure shot. Since I am an agonist, I cannot buy your idea of reservations for priests….but may be you could have a stronger reason to do that, fair enough. If I am given a chance I would vote to abolish all forms of religion from this country. Google the information on atheism and national progress. You will surprised to know that most well developed nations of the world harbor maximum number of atheists.
    Finally I am still waiting for your take on Occupy Wall Street!
    Bye for now,
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr Alam

    I am not sure whether the world is ready to become an atheist… not yet. However if I were to say that in an ideal world EVERYONE should be an athiest…. well I would be taking away the freedom of following a religion from people. So a less than ideal situation.

    Yes, I do believe that religion has been the source of hatred, turmoil and many a war. In the end, it is really about evolution of religion and not letting it be static to one particular text.

    For example as a Hindu I abhor the caste system or for that matter the belief in re-incarnation. In my mind I have chopped it out of my religious beliefs.

    However I do respect your atheism. I do believe that some of the finest minds and scientists were those who walked away from religion and dogma to see the truth of science and arts and human thought.

    But then in my less then fine mind… I also like to believe that there is some larger handm beyond the big bang… which could have created this world. So I would be happy with atheists and people who have a GENTLE religious belief.

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    Shahalamkhan Reply:

    Dear Vijay ji,
    I never said that the world should become atheist and if this was implied from my response, my apologies. My simple argument is that religion came at a time when modern means of establishing social order were not available. There is no doubt in my mind that religions have played a huge part in shaping different civilisations but with advent of modern means of systems of establishing social order like courts, democracies and policing, the need for religion has become significantly less. Or should I say that religion has outlived its shelf life in the present context. In societies still governed by laws of religion, like Saudi Arabia, we can see the rot that plagues the society. Finally couldn’t understand what you meant by “gentle” religious belief? I suppose either you are religious or you are a-religious…..
    Your belief in a larger someone up there is well taken but what is the solution when “my larger someone” up there is supposed be bigger, mightier, stronger, than “your mightier someone”? This is when the real problem starts….how do we counter “mera khuda terey khuda se barha hai” kind of attitude.
    And yes no mention yet of Occupy Wall Street!!!!
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Aaloke Reply:

    Dear Shah Alam Khan,
    That is the problem with Abrahamnic Religions. Their view is ONLY MY PROPHET/RELIGION is good, everything else is not only bad, but to be eradicated. We have problems in Dharmic Traditions ( Originated in India), but nowhere this kind of problem. Further there is a tradition in Dharmic Traditions to change things. It is an evolving system.
    Discussions on Presence or Absence of God is healthy, but making a final statement is Stupidity.This bloodshed and violence on matters of Religion derive from this final statement ( whether Abrahaminic or Communist Final Statements )

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aaloke,

    I agree with you.

    May be I cannot give you a standing ovation, but still, sitting in front of my computer, I say, ‘three cheers to Aaloke……..”

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Hi Aaloke (don’t know if the “e” at the end is really needed). Well I can understand when you make that statement. Problem is not ONLY with Abrahamic religions, problem is with religion….and that is exactly I & Vijay ji were discussing. In fact even you acknowledge that Vedic (which you probably wrongly call Dharmic Traditions) religions have there own issues. So we are on the same page, that religion does cause problems- what we differ is what sort of problems and (vis a vis your statement) what final statement can we make. You are right in concluding that final statements are always brainchild of stupids.
    Analysing further, part of problem of Biblical religions originates from adherence to blasphemy, a concept otherwise unknown to other major religions of the world. It also explains to a degree the resurgence of militant forms of religious interpretations (for example one by Shiv Sena in India) in religions/religious authorities which have imbibed or copied blasphemy from the Abrahamic religions.
    And yet again you concluded on my “ism”(Communist?)…..thanks but don’t you think that this is the major problem—-making FINAL statements on individual thinking?
    Have a great day!
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Shah Alam

    You are right that religions has had its place in maintaining social order… and also in maintianing status quo.

    By gentle religion I meant a non threatening way of looking at God. Where I am not interested in converting people. yet I have a right to get converted if I want… even if I want to become an atheist.

    And as far as wall street goes… I am no expert. All I can say is how I view the shares and bond market. Now for running a small business, the first thing I did was to take a loan from my family and then from my friends… and finally from the bank. The share market is a larger forum where a new company or an old company raises money for a venture.

    But… the it also abounds with stories of thousands of crores swindled and new investors taken for a ride by junk bonds and swindlers.

    So when the chips are down, the general public periceves that those guys at Wall Street make billions and we are unemployed… so the anger.

    But… there is a larger story hidden. Free market economies also meant that trade barriers were removed between countries. Initially the west did it so that their products could go to all countries. However now China with a closed economy and huge huge production capacity has used its totaltarian system to grab all the world markets. From Chicago to chandigarh all shops are flooded with Chinese products. The jobs all go to china consequently. No country can manufacture as efficiently and without labour problems as China does.

    Thus there is a latent anger worldwide. People are unemployed. THere is a general feeling that the guys at the Wall street have 100 million dollar bonuses while we get no jobs….

    So we can see more protests. Americans are blowing up their tax dollars as well as money borrowed from China into blowing bombs worldwide…

    Its a funny world…

  • Anonymous

    Well I am not counting mysef our yet… :)

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  • Anonymous

    ???

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  • Anonymous

    Dr.Shah Alam Khan,

    you asked me, “Finally Mr Shenoy I write what I support. But I am afraid Sir, in your case I do not see the same honesty. You seem to support the BJP (maybe the RSS) but haven’t ever confessed this on this blog. Is this not moral corruption? I only hope my last analysis is god damn nonsense.”

    In a later post, you said I am not replying to your poser.

    Being a too infrequent visitor to Vinodji’s blog, you may not be aware, but Vinodji, in order NOT TO LEAVE ANY DOUBT AMONG HIS FOLLOWERS, himself has variously described me as ‘a chaddiwala, Nagpuria, fascist, Hindu fundoo, a darzi tailoring chaddies for Nagpur etc, etc, etc. He was very ably and convincingly supported by the likes of Ravi, Tajender etc and also, understandably Prabhat.

    Do you still believe your own words that I haven’t ever “confessed” to anything?. I have “confessed”, a long time back, when Vinodji first asked me “to identify” myself, to being at least some of these epithets.

    Usually, one can make out where a writer’s loyalties or allegiances lie. For example, Vinodji has been described by most as a staunch supporter of the congress and consequently a passionate opponent of Anna’s movement against corruption.

    In your case too, one can discern what you are, really, and what you are not unreally.
    The remark about “Gori Bharat Mata”, despite your convoluted explanation, was, in reality, a Freaudian slip. However, I do not think I have called you communal.

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  • Anonymous

    ============================================================
    ~~~ WILL THE US ATTACK PAKISTAN ? msn hints so…. ~~~
    ————————————————————————————————————————-

    MSN news reports that Gen Kayani has strongly warned the US not to attack Pakistan. It further reports that there is a huge build up of troops at the Pak afghan border,

    Is the US finally going to slap its errant child… its illegitmate progeny?

    My view is that unlike India which could not do anything about 26/11 and the afghan embassy attacks… the US is not going to forget the attack on its embassy by the ISI.

    So good fun is going to happen on the western border…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No USA will not attack.
    All USA needs to do is suspend all financial assistance to Pak through IMF, WB and let it default on its loans and suffer the consequences of that.
    Just doing that, which would also save USA dollars, would fix Pakistan.
    But infinitely dumb USA is incapable of even that.
    So Pakistan need not worry.

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  • Anonymous

    Yeddyurappa gets AC cell in Bangalore central prison

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/Yeddyurappa-gets-AC-cell-in-Bangalore-central-prison/articleshow/10417281.cms

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/Yeddyurappa-back-in-jail-gets-AC-cell/H1-Article1-758973.aspx

    Waah! This is the first time I have heard that jails have AC cells too. Amazing India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    When there are AC cells then somebody has to occupy those.
    And yes I fully agree with you that it pays to be a corrupt
    politician/chief minister.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    It only proves that in a democracy like ours everybody is equal, but some (*) are more equal than others.

    Have a nice day in a great country like ours.

    * – crooks, politicians, rich and famous.

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  • Anonymous

    What happened? Let us hear what you have to say about the BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I just said what I think of BJP. It is party of idiots who don’t know how to remain in power and create condition to stay in power for long.

    They should observe congress closely and learn from the guru.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Shah Alam Khan, came to your unnamed ofice in AIIMS three times in the first week of August and did not find you there. At any rate, I had sworn to leave this blog, but your words and your predicament- you have been called communalist- drew me back.
    Cyber friends, most of my friends at AIIMS speak very highly of Shah- he is upright and a great patriot. He is also that rarity amongst muslims- an agnostic or even an atheist, a la Nadeem Piracha of Dawn newspaper.

    All three- he, Anna Hazare and Shenoy are being attacked for being communalist unnecessarily- I am compelled to therefore say-
    हर इंसान दिल का बुरा नहीं होता, हर उठा हुआ हाथ दुआ का नहीं होता,
    बुझ जाते हैं दिये अक्सर अपनी गलतियों से, हर बार कसूर हवा का नहीं होता

    Har Insan dil ka bura nahi hota Har utha hua hath dua ka nahi hota Bujh jate hai diye aksar apni galtiyo se Har bar kasur hawa ka nahi hota .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    the sher is heart-touching, full of meaning. I heartily welcome you back to the blog. Here, impressions matter greatly. But, it is important to have our say on matters we feel strongly about.

    It is, if you really take a close look at it, funny that some bloggers say they don’t care about personalities and they debate issues and if you look at their posts, they mostly contain the all important word, “I” and the rest of their posts are all about attacking personalities!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,

    I heard this sher last night only on KBC where one of the contestant recited this. Very nice one.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dr. Shah Alam Khan;
    I am happy to receive your post addressed to me. Only serious discussion will make this blog worth visiting, otherwise trash is all around us. I am seeing Dr. Renu Saxena in next few weeks and if luck helps me, I may have a chance meeting with you as well. wanted to write a detail post but some emergency came to just now and i have to attend to it. Would love to discuss it further.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    You are right – too much trash on this blog and no need to guess.

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    Shahalamkhan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Great! You are more than welcome to come to my room (No 3096) at AIIMS. I am usually available in the room on clinic days which are Monday & Friday. On other days I am in the operation theatre on the first floor. Would love to be in touch.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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  • Dr Mishra

    @ balwinder praaha, your dig about inviting Ashish and me to eat humble pie still hurts, haha. Anyway- your words were powerful- ‘ THE SINGLE BIGGEST PEOPLE”S MOVEMENT WHICH HAS ELECTRIFIED PEOPLE FROM THE CHOWKIDAR OF MY FARMHOUSE IN AMRITSAR TO THE MILLIONAIRE PUNJABIS AT MY GURUDWARA HERE IN LONDON’

    A bit similar to what I wrote last week- and this is for you Shah Alam-
    ‘ I saw a KRAANTI in the eyes of millionaire doctors in Corporate hospitals, that I am sad to say is missing from the nay sayers on this blog. They want Kejriwal to be perfect- and in that they have missed the whole BLOODY POINT . Kejriwal is the voice of anguish at the loot of centuries, he is the ankur of a revolution. I care two hoots over his imperfections.

    He is rattling the cages which house Amar Singhs, Kanimozhis, Sharad Pawar and Kalmadi- I am happy that someone is doing the dirty task back home which will drag India into the 21 st century of justice and equality. ‘

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mishraji;
    Welcome back.
    maunju sher yaad nahin aa raha hai. bas
    Dekho Rootha na karo—-

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Alam, Pnkaj, Manohar, Vijay, Shenoy Praveen etc
    In AIIMS when I was a n intern in Urology, there was a disgusting habit that some Conusltants employed. A patient would be admitted and then would rot in bed till they decided to operate- 1 week to 3 months later!!!!!
    One day, I decided to rattle the cage. At the morning round I announced, ‘Prof, this patient is celebrating!’
    Prof asked why.
    I said he is celebrating his 100th preop day in the hospital.
    ————-
    why do I tell this simple story- when the rot in society is deep then trying to go thru regular channels takes forever. I rattled a minor cage in 1970, Anna and Kejriwal are rattling a much bigger cage in 2011

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra

    There are saints and demons in all walks of life and in all the professions. As long as there more saints and the demons can be weeded out, so much the better.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think we should all shake up the system. Drop by drop we can create an ocean…

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    Let us look at the hard facts to find if Sonia can compel MPs to vote for Lokpal in next session. Let us look at current Lok Sabha and number of MPs who are sure to toe Sonia’s line.
    1. Congress: 206 (no one can dare say NO to Sonia)
    2. NCP: 9 (Sharad Pawar knows CBI can go after him)
    3. IUML: 2 (Will support Sonia blindly as they see her as bullwork against BJP)
    4. MIM: 1 (Same as IUML)
    5. BSP: 21 (CBI ka danda)
    6. SP: 23 (CBI ka double danda)
    7. RJD 4 (Fodder scam and income case – CBI plus Lalu love for ministry)
    8. NC: 3 (Farooque Abdulla owes Omar’s CMShip to Rahul)

    That makes it 269 MPs who will surely obey Sonia’s command and then Sonia can use her diplomatic skills to get Trinamool Congress (19 MPs) on her side. Small partners like Kerala Congress, VCK too will fall in line.

    Then she can buy some MPs from BJP (party of fools and greedy people)…Job done..as she did in 2008.

    Only she can bring in Lokpal or block Lokpal

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    The magic figure is 360+ votes (180+ in Rajya Sabha) for constitutional amendments that will be needed for Lokpal bill to be passed. Your arithmetic falls far short of the numbers needed. Anyway that is not the point.

    As in the case of Mohan, you too seem to be convinced about the magnitude of the power that Sonia Gandhi wields across political parties. I am sure the Congress sycophants would love to endorse your view and would be dancing in the streets. IMO, nothing can be further from the truth.

    The fact that the political parties will support the LokPal bill on their own volition, because they would not wish to be seen on the wrong side, is a different matter altogether.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are parroting Rahul’s constitutional diversionary tactic. For a simple Lokpal (not constitutional body like EC), you need simple majority.
    It looks like you pay lot of attention to utterances of Rahul Gandhi. He made those kind of statement intentionally to delay Jan Lokpal.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You should first find out what is being proposed and considered by the standing committee (and it consists of members from all the parties). Some of the proposals like the conduct of the MPs within the house to be brought under the Lokpal would need amendments. These MPs are not going to let go of that immunity – in a way they are right. SO your charge of me parroting Rahul or anybody does not hold.

    You have got to hand it out to our founding fathers, who debated and put in a place the constitution. They did a marvellous job.

    Simple majority is already there. You do not need Sonia Gandhi for marshalling purposes.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Demand is to bring Lokpal that is NOT a constitutional body.

    The constitutional status to Lokpal is a ploy by Rahul to delay its formation.

    Currently in UPA (simple majority), many may not support Lokpal but if SOnia pressurizes them, they will.

    DId you see how govt. offered CBI immunity from RTI?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    You do not seem to get it. There are certain proposed sections/provisions that would need amending the constitution, whether the Lokpal is a constitutional body or not. I hope it is clear to you now.

    Whether he wants to delay the bill, only time will tell. Let us wait and see.

  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    I never said ‘Lay off Shenoy’. I was just pointing to concerted efforts to shoo him away from this blog by some mercenaries.
    By all means they a dig at anyone you like but ganging up with intention not to debate but to discourage debate is not healthy (except may be in case of Fake Ravi and Jehadi Tajender).

    By the way where is Congress Bhakt Prabhat…Is he done with his shift at McDonalds?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What you write now is history. He has ceased to exist as far as I am concerned. He is not going get any response from me whether he abuses me, attributes motives, even makes a sensible rejoinders (very unlikely) and attempts to provoke me in any other manner. IMO, he is beyond redemption and repair. He can carry on with his irrelevant statements, pronouncements and judgments – and bask in any manner / light he deems fit. I do not care. Period. (This para similar to what I posted last night to tell him).

    Prabhat? Ask him, I am not his keeper nor of anyone else.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji,

    you asked, indirectly, of course, “Has this gentleman called on his hero Yeddy in jail?”

    You are a busy editor, much in demand for your pearls of wisdom in the HT blogs, articles and-most importantly- around the TV stations. I sometimes wonder how you spread these pearls of wisdom equally in all the TV studios and keep the congress party happy that they are being defended well.

    Therefore, it is easy for you to forget or ignore what I had said when Yeddy first came under the Hegde scanner, and what I have repeated so many times later-that I consider Yeddyurappa a petty thief (the word ‘petty’ is used here in a relative sense), that he has embarrassed the party no end and he should quit. I had also said that he should expect to be jailed for his crimes.

    Even then I had gone to the Parappana Agrahar jail to meet my ‘friend’.
    But I was disappointed not to find him there.
    I was told that he was taken to the court.
    I went to the court only to be told that he is in the hospital.
    I went to the hospital only to be told that he is in some other hospital.
    When I went to that hospital, I was told that he is back in the jail.

    I hope, when he is through with these chakkars, he may call me himself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    Mr Vinod likes to tickle you once in a while

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    My reply to his tickling (it is not ticklish, mercifully) question was given in jest too.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Shah Alam Khan

    It has been a pleasure reading your posts, for which you have been slammed and called a communalist and related labels too, then conciliatory posts(!) by others. Strange are the ways of this world.

    01) Anna Hazare Movement. It surely has been farce as things change day by day, hour by hour. Poor Anna – the clowns as you have rightly called them (and IMO many of them megalomaniacs) made him sit on a tiger and now he is unable to get off. They put words in his mouth, which he did not believe in or was not aware of or hadn’t given thought to or had to issue clarifications or deny them. Credibility be damned. How he runs his village is topic for some other time.

    The movement has clearly picked up a wrong issue and the means highly questionable (threats included – I will fast unto death, changing the goal posts midway, etc. etc., akin crying wolf wolf once too often) – trying to find a cure for instead of prevention of the disease. Of course, it was great show for the TV channels to boost their TRPs, more importantly name and fame for the protagonists. As someone in an earlier blog has asked – who wants to see a malnutritioned hungry children and adults (clad in almost nothing) in some godforsaken hamlet in some dusty part of the country – one would rather watch a repeat telecast of 2378th episode of Bigg Boss with the best of Johnnie Walker and succulent kebabs from Karims/Bade Mian/… laid out in front.

    We have people highly qualified/educated and professionals in their own right who have hailed this nauTanki/tamaashaa as some kind of “greatest revolution” and mother of all cures for all the ills of the country and turn it into a Shangri La. It is too much of a bother to separate the wheat from the chaff. To many it was/is just a stick to beat some enemy or a demon with. Talk of gullibility.

    The fact that the cure (*) the civil society is seeking to impose on this country is worse than the disease is also lost on this section of the populace. The country may end up in spending Rs 10000 or 20000 or whatever crores to have this monster (LokPal) in our midst to catch corruption worth Rs 500 crores at most – given the track record of our agencies -the police, the CBI and what have you. Instead the money could well be spent in strengthening the existing laws, agencies, eliminating the loopholes and the bottlenecks, the leakages, etc., but then this is no entertainment – zero TRPs.

    Worrying and doing something concrete about the most disadvantageous sections of the society is the least of their priorities. Where is the time for such “thankless” (and worse with no TV cameras around) tasks.

    PS: I may edit this further.

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  • Anonymous

    Witch hunt continues. No one will be spared. Congress is trying its best to
    isolate Anna.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kiran-Bedi-accused-of-inflating-bills-says-no-personal-gain/articleshow/10425634.cms

    No

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is the world of Indian politics – no kid glove treatment for anyone.

    At this stage, I would rather believe Ms. Bedi than what the Congress is alleging. Let us wait and see, when more details come out.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I won’t be surprised if Kiran Bedi did make MISTAKES in her expense sheet but can Digvijay compare it with Kalmadi Bhai’s loot or A.Rajaji’s loot?

    I think DIgvijay is on mission to defeat Congress..I think all parties should encourage Digvijay’s efforts.

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  • Anonymous

    Another VDIS scheme by government ? Black money in foreign countries
    is being converted into white money by paying tax .

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/France-gave-info-about-Rs-400-crore-black-money-Pranab/articleshow/10421774.cms

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  • Anonymous

    @Manohar T, I have taken a sabbatical from this blog . However yours was one worth stumbling upon.Is it just possible , THE ROOT OF IT ALL , lies the evil bramhinical caste ridden hindu society. Thus there is so much INDIFFERENCE and CALLOUSNESS at the starvation of millions of FELLOW indians. Then accordng to BRAMHINICAL CASTE RULES , they ARE NOT WORTHY OF COMPASSION , they are beyond the pale. In fact the very basis of caste is YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR CASTE.
    Thus NDTV’s Hungry Kya programme , doesn’t even lead to a whisper campaign , yet the rabble rousers in Clown Anna team , with their cacophony HOG THE LIMELIGHT or at least the IDIOT BOX

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your query – why this callousness towards state of the downtrodden of the society? Now one would need to put on the thinking cap and perhaps able to find out the reason(s) in the coming days. Our time starts now.

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  • http://dealstop.co.uk Larry

    Vinod Sharma on Times Now debate says “You’ve allowed Swapan Das too much time to destroy Congress work” LOL! timesnow.tv/Debate-Ajit-Singh-Congress-tie-up—2/videoshow/4386887.cms

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  • Anonymous

    Dr shan or cingulatedgyrys, whatever, you were silent on the 3 million deaths ar the hands of britishers in bengal famine, so dont bullshit about brshmins as cause of all evil. You in fact with your white asss licking ways which we called swethalingam aakarshan, tried to wish it away.
    Pl you keep away on another long sabbatical, you add nothing to blog other than tajender or engrich type manusmrity buullcrap. Moron, calls himself doctor!!

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    engrich Reply:

    still shan is far better than u and dr mishra.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    You have spoken for most of us and forthrightly too.
    This Brahminist c.rap is totally Tajender-like.

    Shann Nirad Babu should at leastjustify the esteem the Britishers had for Nirad Babu for his white a.ss-licking for nearly a century.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar, Mohan, Pankaj ji, Balwinderji, Dr.Mishra, Rajiv and Rajiv, Mohan,

    the congress party si at its old game of dispensing favours in poll-bound states. It has issued petrol bunk licences to more than 11500 party leaders and vote banks.
    http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/editorials/petrol-pump-bonanza-shows-congress-desperation/325008.html

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is called mass bribing of voters..(which is also practiced by BJP in crude way. Remember Sari stampede in Lucknow).

    EC should take a note of this corruption.

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  • Anonymous

    In next winter session, Congress will bring in its version of Lokpal. It has started working on it already.
    1. Attack on team Anna including the physical one have started.
    2. Some members of Team Anna are being discredited.
    3. Congressi supporters have left Anna camp after Hisar defeat.

    Now to force MPs to vote for CONGRESSI version of Lokpal, they are unchaining the dog called CBI…Here is the news from Congressi newspaper-

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/CBI-got-RTI-exemption-without-wanting-it/H1-Article1-759291.aspx

    CBI got RTI exemption without wanting it?

    At a time when it’s reeling under allegations of scams and scandals, official documents show that the government gave the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) more immunity from the Right to Information (RTI) Act than what the agency had originally sought. The issue of how much immunity

    the CBI should get was bounced between several government departments, committees and officials that questioned the agency’s demand of partial immunity, all of which ended up with it being kept completely outside RTI.
    Legal opinion was repeatedly sought by the government for the right advice and the right request from the CBI. This has been revealed in a set of confidential documents, ironically released through RTI to activist Subhash Agarwal.

    A CBI official conceded that the agency sensed the government wanted to give them a blanket exemption and played along. Asked to interpret the series of events that ended with CBI out of RTI, a senior government official said: “It isn’t unusual to seek clarifications till everyone comes to the same point.”

    The CBI’s original demand around January 2011 was for exemption of intelligence collection, internal analysis of evidence and its sources from RTI.

    But the department of personnel that implements RTI found the request “vague” and asked for a fresh proposal.

    In mid-February, the CBI gave its fresh proposal. This time, it wanted exemption from the RTI Act in all matters but was willing to release information relating to “administration, personnel, accounts/finance, budget and training.”

    The department for personnel and training (DoPT) first sought the law ministry’s opinion on the CBI partial exemption request.

    The then Solicitor General Gopal Subarmanium stated: “CBI officers need to be protected from dangers… the request for partial exemption is justified.”

    This opinion was, however, rejected by the committee of secretaries, saying “it was not practical… and legally advisable”.

    The matter was sent back to the law ministry with a specific request to seek the opinion of the Attorney General, GE Vahanvati. He said: “…the CBI does intelligence work which is directly related to security agencies….therefore it is legally feasible to put it in the list of organisations exempt from the RTI,” he said.

    Disagreeing with Subramanium, Vahanvati stated :”I do not agree that there should be any qualification with regard to the exemption….”

    Moily endorsed the AG’s opinion, and soon after the secretaries panel also gave its nod to keep the CBI, NIA and the NATGRID out of RTI.

    On June 8, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who holds the cabinet charge of DoPT, put his seal of approval on the decision.

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  • Anonymous

    Just watched TimesNow debate on Congress Alliance with Ajit Singh (RLD – Party of Jats opposed to Dalits. Pl. note Rahul is wooing Dalit with his food stealing antics at the same time).

    Our Vinod Sharma sounded and behaved like Kumar Ketkar in this debate. I think he should maintain his dignity unlike Ketkar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    will you, at least now agree with my comment that there is a rivalry between these two editors for catching Sonia Gandhi’s eye?

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  • Anonymous

    Yes Vijay for the first time I am hopeful as US is massing troops on border with Waziristan. And Kayani has thundered, ee are nuclear armed , beware. As long as India clevrrly keeps low profile, we ate ok. We can with US assent support balochistan quietly.
    For Anna it may be corruption only but I think Indias biggest problems are
    Illiteracy
    Pakistan
    Maoism
    Islamists
    Poverty, healthcare and clean water
    THE BIGGEST, DISUNITY

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    agree with most praaji, but I am looking for an Anna who will take on
    1. Population. 2. Lack of swaabhimaan

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    engrich Reply:

    the sole aim of his movement is to establish dictatorship of brhmns through lokpal bill in india.

    population can be decreased with education.&removal of poverty.for which anna has no say.swabhhimaan means killing shdraas through war.as high caste is seldom killed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji, Dr.Mishra, Vijay Kumar,

    Right at the present moment, Anna may be a single point crusader.
    But, look at at it this way:
    Right at this moment, corruption is the single, most deadly disease afflicting India.
    30 years ago, Rajiv Gandhi had said that under his party’s long rule of India, only 15% of all developmental funds and benefits reached the beneficiary.

    Now, under his family’s rule, funds have become funda’s, plans have become money-making schemes, commonwealth Games have become games for making wealth.

    Therefore, crores of Indians have reposed their faith in Anna’s crusade, so that he may raise this percentage of pilferage, short-changing etc to a highere level, so that maximum people can benefit and India becomes a strong country.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    correction: so that he may reduce this percentage of pilferage, short-changing, etc. and raise his fight to a higher level

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    engrich Reply:

    replace khalistan with pakistan,and hindu terrorism with islamic radicalism.
    regarding disunity,unity in diversity is our culture.rss is the local franchize
    of international divisive forces in india.
    pakistan is problem,but india has problem with all its neighbours.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    You are right.. we should keep a low profile and let the two fight it out..

    Basic philosphy should now be, “Saunu Ki …. “

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    Like they bumped off Zia-ul Huq, the Americans can invite Kiyani for an inspection of their latest stealth bomber and while in the air, they can press the remote and blow him off.

    And then, we can ask the question: in an air crash, where is Kiyani?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Kiyani kin ha rahegi nishani…

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  • engrich

    what a fight they put up against world powers do not be ashamed ghaddafi you won against cowards cameron sarcosy

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY pakistan should be SCARED ~~and ~~ we should ENJOY ~~~~
    ==============================================================

    For over 3 decades, Pakistan has played a deadly, decietful game. It fed and bred terrorists to bleed the world. And then acted like a hurt martyr to claim aid from all over the world.

    And again fed and bred terrorists as it had found the perfect economic model. Breed terrorists and ask for aid to eliminate them.

    But… while we in India suffered from 1980 onwards because of militancy in Punjab which was then transported to J&K and whole of India, Pakistan laughed like a hyena.

    Unfortunately the game is over for now. The US which was partly responsible for funding Pakistan and militancy in 1980 is the hardest hit by it in Afganistan and 9/11 terror. Till now it tolerated it. But the American public…and the world for which their presidents do everything has seen Osama and heard Mike MUllen. Once such statements are made, the US WILL not turn a blind eye, even though it still may have love for its illegitimate child– Pakistan.

    Basically duniya and the American public will start thinking t hat the US is impotent, in case it does not take action.

    It lost 38,000 troops in the now forgotten Korean war. 58.000 in the Vietnam war.

    Where it was just a question of ideology.

    Out here it is a direct Paksitani assault and challenge.

    Something huge jmay just happen.

    First unilateral , brutal bombings on the Haqqani group.

    And in case Pakistanis protest too much… maybe direct bombing in Punjab and Sindh on terrorist groups.

    THe fun may just begin….

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    It could happen but I am worried about the implications for India.
    Americans are notorious for starting a fire and not putting it out. See their record in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    If now they turn their attention to Pakistan, we will have a destabilized country next door. I am worried. That country has no clear chain of command, at any given point, 3 or more chains of command- just the visible ones. As it is, a significant number of Pakistanis think India, Israel and US is one and the same. So, the response to the American action might just be felt by India in terms of increased militancy.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    I think we need to worry anyway with a neighbour like Pakistan. My own feeling is that in case no action is taken now… some ISI trained Jehadi group could well launch a nuclear dirty bomb on us in not too distant a time framework. Maybe attack a nuclear installation.
    Remember, they were willing to blow up the entire Parliament and then staged 26/11.

    “it was the non state actors… and not us who did it,” They would gloat.

    So in case the US is willing to take them on right now, I think we should welcome the occasion.

    Yes outwardly let us play the Zia-ul Haq, smiling cobra game. “O jee.. praa ji.. we are long lost brothers.”

    That sort of sh-it which fools our innocent peaceniks like Vinod Sharma and scared peaceniks like Mani Aiyar.

    Let us be prepared for the worst. Worrying wont help. The US wll ride in like Charles Bronson and probably retreat like it did in Vietnam after causing devastation. We should just keep the facade of being strong and merciless so that the Pakistani Army is not tempted to get India into the war.

    Logically they wont. Fighting the yanks would occupy them for some time.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Agree with you Vijay. It is not possible to live in constant fear that if pakistan is punished by a third party for its perfidy, will we be punished? This is absurd. Pakistan should reap what it sowed.
    Ashish, do not mean to be rude but let us admit, for whatever reason, we do not have guts to punish this goon, which goes by name Pakistan. If some body else is trying to discipline it, we shoul support the head master whole heartedly.

    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    US does not share a land border (heck, it is multiple time-zones away!) like we do with Pakistan. Obama can sit in his Rose Garden and press a few buttons- okay, this is for Rawalpindi and this one is for Waziristan and so on. What can Pakistan do to retaliate against US? Bust some dirty bombs?
    But, we do share a land border with a rogue state- that does not have a clear “Mukhiya”.
    Who runs Pakistan? Which part?
    I would feel more sanguine about US “initiatives” in Pakistan but, the US track record in such initiatives is not good. And, Pakistan is too toxic.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    Sorry, for some reason, I am unable to understand your argument. I am not saying that go nuke the Pindi or occupy Lahore. But why we are shivering in our boots, that US is punishing pakistan?? if in frustration, they unleash their jehadis, use your cold start doctrine. If they nuke you, you obliterate pakistan. sorry to say, it is same as a mohalla gunda, when he crosses his limits, he has to be punished severely. I can write a book on this, but like you, do not have much time with me.

    AshishC Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Firstly, I think a lot of US talk is posturing- they understand the perils of getting involved in a protracted mess- especially if it will involve committing troops. Pakistan’s utility to US is that it helps keep the supply lines open through its borders- the Iran border is for obvious reasons not accessible.
    Now, I do not worry for Pakistan – but I worry for India.
    I think US intervention in Pakistan, however unlikely I think it is, will only fuel radicalism- the US may go and bomb or otherwise act against the Haqani network. This will put the Pakistani establishment- army, ISI, government and the non-state actors under pressure to show their might to their own people.
    They can’t do much against the US; guess where their adventurism will be directed?
    I for one do not want a war or even a major skirmish or heightened militancy- it takes away resources for nation-building.
    I am also under no illusion that US necessarily sees its interests as coterminous with India’s. We have NEVER received more than lip-service and sympathy from the US. In case Pakistan’s actors (state and non-state) decide to increase their activities along their eastern border- US will not lift a finger to help.
    I am not saying we are not capable of winning a conventional or even a nuclear battle with Pakistan. But, at what cost?
    If they nuke you, you obliterate pakistan. sorry to say, it is same as a mohalla gunda, when he crosses his limits, he has to be punished severely.
    If Pakistan nukes us, it will take out 5/ 6 cities. I am not of course suggesting that as a possibility- but, if you are, are you prepared to let Mumbai, Delhi, Chandigarh, Jaipur, Agra etc disappear? And let a 100 million Indians perish- even if we kill all the 187 million Pakistanis in retaliation, even assuming we are capable of that?
    Is it worth it?

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Ashish;
    It seems that to you, I am sounding jingoistic. Far from it, given half the chance, I would like to finish visa regime of both countries, free exchange of news, periodicals and what not. Problem is that, Pakistan thinks, I mean, is convinced that just by rogue methods, since it has now , BOMB, it can intimidate every one, more so India, and under that umbrell of bomb, will nibble at Indian resources. This is slow war in place of worst case you presented. Now this state of affairs can not continue indefinitely. I know, US has only its national interests supreme. Incidentally, US and Indian interests are coinciding. So let it be.Discredited pak Army is more amenable to their civil society and may be civilian will get an upper hand in near future, if pakistani myth is shattered a la Germany, Italy, Turkey, Japan.

    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    The US wll ride in like Charles Bronson and probably retreat like it did in Vietnam after causing devastation.
    that is precisely my worry- what the US will leave behind will be another Afghanistan; and, I have no stomach for another Afghanistan next door.
    However, that does not mean I advocate doing nothing- The US should really stop all military aid and even civilian aid – unless strictly audited for purpose and actual spending.
    There are enough economic carrots and sticks that can be used.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    there is a difference this time, because Pakistan is already burning in a blaze of fire, and will burn itself out before the American or international fire brigades arrive. Therefore, let us sit back and relax.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    isn’t that pretty much what we do?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    IMO, the Americans will only go after those groups (with Pakistan pretending to look the other way and then make noise later about violation of its sovereignty), who rub them the wrong way in Afghanistan. For example, the Haqqani group. For the moment, they will not touch terrorist groups like the LET, JUD, etc.

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  • Anonymous

    Vinodji says, “Somewhat unfairly branded a Congress Trojan Horse, Swami Agnivesh quit (or was eased out) some weeks ago.”

    For weeks like a peacock, strutted on Anna’a platform Agnivesh
    Cool, articulate, the Swami argued, debated, but never in aavesh
    He was always the trusted counsellor, in control of any sannivesh
    who could have thought that he was a congress spy in chhadmavesh?

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  • Anonymous

    Friends, here is a real, “mind blowing” idea:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=209351499131312&set=a.199641670102295.51050.199623573437438&type=1&ref=nf

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one :)

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    saw this separately. not a bad idea, as ideas go. ha.

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  • engrich

    anna is ghandhian,
    1) In mid 1918, Gandhi supported the War Conference main resolution of recruiting Indians to fight on the side of Britain and her allies if it ensured the acceptance of Congress-Muslim League scheme for Home Rule.

    2) Gandhi wrote to the Viceory that he wanted to be “Recruiter-in-Chief” for the Empire

    3) Gandhi stated in an interview to News Chronicle, London, that the Viceroy could remain in charge of military operations and India could be used as a base for such military operations provided that a National Government was immediately formed.

    4) In an interview with Lord Wavell on August 27, 1946, Gandhi told him that “If India wants a bloodbath, she shall have it.”

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  • Anonymous

    Occupy Wall Street Protests
    ——————————————

    The aim of the protests

    The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%. We are using the revolutionary Arab Spring tactic to achieve our ends and encourage the use of nonviolence to maximize the safety of all participants.

    1) How do the protests -spreading to other parts of the world too – help in achieving their aim? Do these protests have the critical mass to really be effective.

    2) Will the Governments intervene? In what way?

    3) Will the corporates listen? What (corrective) action will they take?

    Any answers!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I dont think it is all that simple. The big picture is that the world suffers from industrial overcapacity and the most efficient producer is CHina with communist style ruthless labour laws.

    Jobs wont shift back to the US or London till they start manufacturing and to do it cheap thye need protection barriers.

    99% against 1% may be evocative, but hardly true. The stock market of India has offten being credited for getting us lot of foreign capital and also for making many a middle class guy rich

    Though in my case it has only given me tears… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I have not paid much attention to these protests. My interest was aroused a little, because Dr. Shah Alam Khan has been requesting some of us to talk about it. Hence my queries.

    My primary question is – will these protests achieve anything or end up as a ‘nauTanki’? Even if the Government and the Corporate honchos sit up and take notice, what are the alternatives. Have these protesters said explicitly what concrete actions they expect from the other side (I drew a blank)? Finally, do they have the numbers on their side – though I will admit it is early days as of now?

    Of course, in these democratic countries, they are not going to follow Chinese practices and policies. Who knows these protests may spread into China too. What do you think?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    China.. and I know a little about it as I have travelled pretty extensively there has created a perfect cage for its inhabitants,

    It has broken the shackels of poverty as in India by exporting to all countries in the world at low prices and thus managed to give industrial employment to most of its citizens. And sort of told them— boys, all the unions and strikes are for the rest of the world… out here, it is perfect discipline.

    So I really dont know whether the protests would spread there as the citizens remember the tabad tod poverty of maoists era as well as the human right murder which existed then,

    They have controlled the internet. I remember when the Egyptian protests were on, the Chinese search engine stopped registering the word Egypt ! In fact (my guess) if you typed Egypt 5 times, a beep would probably go up in the party office and you would be directed to a site for moral re-education. But that is communism. Loved in India by our Maoists… hated out there…

    I hope the wall street protest dont lead to protectionism. Our industrial and software prodicts to the US and EU are dependent on open markets. Yes… the corporate world has to have more laws which makes mandatry that nobaody suffers when markets melt. Or on why share markets not the best indicatos ot indvidual and corporate growth,,,

    Anonymous Reply:

    Your details about China was illuminating, but besides the point. My questions remain unanswered. Never mind.

    When we can be protective about our economy with all sorts of measures, why can’t these countries have protectionist laws for the good of their own people and the economy?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    If they get protectionist… then we could knock out our growth story of las 20 years. Knock out softweare growth atory also. We have a good trade balance against most countires except oil producing or china…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Each country has to and will look after its people and its interests. If it “genuinely” reaches out to others, well and good. Otherwise, one has to live with it.

    Having said that – funds always chase goods and services that give value for money. So your worry that our growth story will go for a toss is bit alarmist.

    The world trade today is much more freer today than earlier and we are part of it – though our economy is dependent upon it to the extent of only about 15% to 20%. In earlier times, we were one of the most protectionist countries (outside the Communist block) with all sorts of draconian measures in place. Dr. Manmohan Singh started the process in 1992 to dismantle the “protective” wall we had built around us.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Dont be so relaxed Manohar. Many a time I need to deal with potential foreign investors.

    As long as it was INdia shining it was all gung ho.

    But with Raja, and scams occupying the headlines… many many feel that China is a more comfortable place to be in. We are the argumentative Indians.

    We dont move forward. We just argue…

  • Anonymous

    Some of them I can think of, provided these are included in the proposed bill. We will know once the standing committee finalizes the draft. The Jan Lok Pal bill wold have required one too many amendments.

    1) The conduct of MPs/Legislators in their respective houses – Parliament / State Legislatures. Not going to be easy. IMO, the conduct of the MPs within the house must not be brought under the LokPal, the Speaker and the disciplinary committee is there to deal with these matters and also supremacy of the parliament is maintained. It is like a someone appoints and tells X that he/she monitor his (appointing authority) actions too. Just not done.

    2) To implement Loyayukta act uniform across all states – as this would be encroaching upon the powers of the states, who would be loathe to let go that power and it may need passing of relevant provisions by the state legislatures, who may not play ball. (I am not sure though, as I am not lawyer).

    3) To make LokPal a constitutional body like the Election Commission / CAG.

    Then depending upon the powers (which I am not aware of at the moment) that the LokPal will have – constitutional amendments may be necessary.

    Having said that the Supreme Court is there to strike down any unconstitutional provisions.

    IMO, as and when this LokPal comes into existence, it will be an expensive adjunct to the existing structure with no substantial benefits and a waste of tax payers’ money. Perhaps providing employment to thousands, that is all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandon,
    1. This doesn’t require any constitutional amendment but it does require sanction by speaker to try the errant MP/MLA.

    2. I agree with you on second one but it is not related to constitutional amendment. The states can get State Lok-Ayukta on their own by Center can not force it on them. However Central Jan Lokpal will be untouched by this issue.

    3. There is no proposal by any one except for Congress to make it constitutional body.

    The gist of the argument is that a SIMPLE Central Jan Lokpal can be brought in without any constitutional amendments (same as on the lines of NIA).

    Point 3 by Rahul is mischievous trick to delay formation of Jan Lokpal. It is in his and his family interest to delay Lokpal as much as possible as he doesn’t want Bofors opened up again.

    Regarding the wastage, Rajya Sabha itself is gross wastage of tax payers money and then NIA and ATS too are waste of tax payer money. Also the perks given to MPs and MLAs…there is no end to wastage in our country so let us not make it an excuse for not fighting corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I only wish that you would check up facts before putting forth your views on and on.

    Your one point agenda is that Rahul Gandhi and the Congress is raising the bogey of constitutional amendments to delay the Lokpal bill and you are under some notion no constitutional amendments are necessary to get the bill though. I have no problem with what your thinking is.

    Perhaps the following will clear the cobwebs, as you do not seem to understand the importance and the place of the Parliament in our system of governance.

    ————

    The Indian constitution is clear that the proceedings in parliament are not subject to judicial scrutiny. It clearly lays down immunities, powers and privileges of members of legislature. The supreme court had endorsed the constitutional position. Parliamentary precedents exist on expulsion

    Articles 105 and 122 of the Indian constitution clearly restrict the judiciary from intervention in the business of the legislature. Article 122 (1) states, ‘The validity of any proceedings in parliament shall not be called in question on the ground of any alleged irregularity of procedure.’ Article 122 (2) explains, ‘No officer or member of Parliament in whom powers are vested by or under this Constitution for regulating procedure or the conduct of business, or for maintaining order, in Parliament shall be subject to the jurisdiction of any court in respect of the exercise by him of those powers.’

    Article 105 (2) gives judicial immunities to the conduct and behaviour of any member of parliament: ‘No Member of Parliament shall be liable to any proceedings in any court in respect of anything said or any vote given by him in Parliament or any committee therefore, and no person shall be so liable in respect of the publication by or under the authority of either House of Parliament of any report, paper, votes or proceedings.’ Article 194 (2) grants the same immunities to the members of the state legislative assemblies.

    The second issue pertains to the powers and privileges of the legislature and its members. Article 105 explains the powers and privileges of parliament and its members; and article 194 replicates the same provision for the legislative assembly and its members. Article 105 (1) gives freedom of speech in parliament and article 105 (2) gives immunity to freedom of speech and freedom to vote in the house and its committee from judicial proceedings. But other rights and privileges of the house and its members are left un-codified. Article 105 (3) reads ‘In other respects, the powers, privileges and immunities of each House, shall be such as may from time to time be defined by Parliament by law, and, until, so defined, shall be those of that House and of its members and committees immediately before the coming into force of section 15 of the Constitution Forty-fourth Amendment Act 1978.’ Before this amendment, it was provided that powers, privileges, and immunities of parliament and its member shall be those of the house of commons as it was before the commencement of the Indian constitution.

    ———–

    When Judiciary cannot interfere, how can the LokPal interfere without any constitutional amendment(s)?

    With this question, this topic closed as far as I am concerned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Lokpal is going to be investigating agency on the lines of NIA…Did they do constitutional amendment to do that? NO..

    You are treating Rahul blabbering as Gospel truth. The congress party is trying every trick to derail Lokpal formation. These tricks include discrediting movement, activists and then throwing the idea of Constitutional Lokpal (which is not the demand).

    All people are asking is create LOKPAL as an investigating agency to investigate corruption cases on the lines of NIA and CBI.

    For me this topic is closed because you are from the camp that doesn’t want corrupt to be investigated…May be this is the reason you consider Congress as party of hope…It is party of hope for people who want status quo but people are fed up with current state of affairs..

    Anonymous Reply:

    May be conduct of MPs and MLAs can be investigation after getting sanction from speaker as is currently being done by CBI.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Regarding wastage – my point was about the LokPal. You are free to think what other institutions/authorities/whatever are a waste of money. I am not going to argue with you on this. You have your views, I have mine.

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  • Anonymous

    First about that buffon balwinder.Sikhs licked english boots , to the extent that the SEPOY MUTINY , known as india’s first war of independence WAS CRUSHED ONLY BECAUSE SIKH SOLDIERS lifted the siege of BRITISH at LUCKNOW.If the british were crushed at that uprising ,India would have independent 150 yrs earlier.
    ALSO WE ALL KNOW HOW THEY WERE USED AS CANNON FODDERS in the fields of belgium duringww1, protecting England from german soldiers.
    THIS DIMWIT CABBAGE HEAD LECTURES US ABOUT PATRIOTISM.
    I still maintain CASTEISM /BRAMHINICAL HEGEMONY will HOLD BACK INDIA REALISING ITS FULL POTENTIAL.

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  • Anonymous

    Cingulated Dr Shan, why you try so many disguises and IDs, your childish idiocy shrills thru. For the hundredth time, what my community or ancestors do is stupid debate. But what u as individual vomit here weekly, is more imp.
    Your white lingam sucking, given sanskritised description of SWETHALINGAM UPBHOGTA , Shenoy at vrry best, is about you. Dr Shantanu Mondol u got MBBS on reservation, made it to Europe cos of massive shortage of junior doctors, ThANK YR BLOODY STARS. Do not spend rest of yr life bashing forward castes. This is debate of inteligence here, take yr tired podts elsewhere, u cockroach Dr SHAN,

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No Mandal has ever matched the gaddari of Indira Gandhi’s bodyguards, or that of Babbar Khalsa eating the drip out of pakistan’s a r s e .
    99% of your biradri entered UK through KABUTERBAJI including you.
    How many more karname you need me to post , which shows any crookery in UK , be it drug smuggling , sham marriage racket , human trafficking it is always either a Bains, or Kalra , or Dhillon or SANDHU

    This is what BBC undercover investigation found
    A network of criminality in one of the UK’s largest illegal immigrant communities has been exposed by an undercover BBC News investigation.

    Widespread unlawful job practices, squalid housing, and a thriving trade in fake documents were uncovered.

    More than 40 houses packed with illegal immigrants were identified in one square mile of Southall, west London.

    The young, mostly male Punjabis are not here lawfully and, although most know the risks, they have few legal rights.

    They are surrounded by forgers, criminals and ruthless employ

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  • vinod

    Vinod,
    The government of India need to get rid of all corruption.
    We want a government which can get the money SWISS ACCOUNTS back to India.
    Anna movement would not have been born. Kejriwal would be riding his cycle to his IT job. No need!
    By UN regulations US Govt could get their money back.
    But why not India.
    I say Govt bring back the money – up the development budget three fold.
    Then Congress People can move in Fortuner – hmm in Govt Helicoptors.
    Sorry if it is off topic, but we Indians like to look at the root of the problem. Everything else is just MAYA JAAL.

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  • Anonymous

    More “feathers” in Modi’s cap (oops!)

    1) India Human Development Report raps Gujarat, praises UP and Bihar

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-Human-Development-Report-raps-Gujarat-praises-UP-and-Bihar/articleshow/10446060.cms

    2) Mayawati bursts Narendra Modi’s economic growth myth

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mayawati-bursts-Narendra-Modis-economic-growth-myth/articleshow/10446867.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This is nothing to be happy about..Why are you discriminating among Indians? Are poor gujaratis not Indians?

    However look carefully, most of the congress ruled states have fared poorly.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not happy about any Indian (Gujaratis included) not able to live with dignity. Read my post addressed to Dr. Khan, if you care to read it.

    This is about bursting the myth about Modi – the “best thing” to ever happened to India and all others are duffers, blah, blah, blah.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Further more Raju Ramchandaran has reccomended that Modi be charged with making inflamatory sppeches during the Godra Riots.

    Anonymous Reply:

    As congressis have infilterated every walk of life..I am not surprised Raju Ramchandran’s comments ignoring SIT finding.

    The congressis have toxified all govt. institutions and the only way to move forward it to free all govt. institutions of all these influences..(including RSS if any).

    Let law prevail.

    Ravi Reply:

    Raju Ramachandran was an Assistant Attorney General under the BJP Govt.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The SC order to SIT states that it (S IT) shall obtain the Amicus curiae report, but is not obliged to submit it to the trail court. It is upto the SIT to take cognizance of the said report. The trial court too, if it accepts the SIT report, shall then afford an opportunity to the complainant to have her say.

  • Anonymous

    It looks like you don’t know anything about JAN Lokpal.

    Case closed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    from the so called debate you are having with this very capable debater, either ‘you don’t get it’ or ‘your brain is clogged’ or ‘your head is full of cob webs’ etc. All those who say and assert that even jan lokpal bill, with stringent clauses, can be passed by the parliament by a simple majority not requiring any constitutional amendment, like Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan, shanti Bhushan and all others including Justice Hegde be damned. They are, as has been proved by this outstanding debater, full of cob webs in their brains

    Why? Because this outstanding debater says so. Why does he say so? Because gaffe prone Amul Baby has said so. Got it, Rajeev?

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  • Anonymous

    You are just repeating congress lines..Basically that of a obstructionists…Rahul Gandhi is just an MP not PM..

    Topic closed as we can never agree on Lokpal because you want Congress’s Lokpal whereas I am for Jan Lokpal.

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  • Anonymous

    So why did court punish JMM MPs for bribery case? How was that done?

    Pl. cite the constitutional amendment under which JMM MPs were tried for accepting bribe to save CONGRESS’s govt..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You do not even know what the apex court has decided.

    Take the trouble of reading the following

    http://www.airwebworld.com/articles/index.php?article=1449

    —————

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jmm-bribery-case-returns-to-haunt-shibu-sore/360653/

    Exceprt
    “However, in a controversial judgement, the apex court held that according to Article 105 (2) of the Constitution, the MPs were not liable for anything said or any vote given in Parliament”.

    Ignorance and half-baked information, anyone?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    the JMM MPs were let off by the SC, because, in their ‘considered’ opinion, the money, in the SB accounts of the MPs, though found to be illegally credited, was to be considered as action inside the house, so not justiciable! Now, a lower court has jailed MPs for showing cash inside the house!

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  • AshishC

    @ShahAlamKhan,
    Okay, Dr Khan; here goes.
    Let us first make a distinction between people and the cause. I think both of us would agree that corruption in its broadest sense is impeding our progress and making our lives tough. So, a movement against corruption has much to recommend itself.

    Now, to the debate about the dramatis personae and their methods and antecedents.
    To your points:
    1. I have not read the latest by Arundhati on the anti-corruption movement- so, I can not comment specifically. The only thing we owe to Anna Hazare and his bunch of merry men and women is that they have given a face to the movement.
    This is very “hindu” (forgive the flippancy)- in our country, we tend to make Gods (or at any rate bestow honorifics like Gurudev- Tagore, Mahatma- Gandhi, Netaji- Subhash Bose) and then sit back and wait for them to wave their magic wand for our problems to disappear. We are idol-worshippers!
    But, sir, the problem is with us- the people. Not with Anna or his team.
    2. I would rather focus on the cause rather than the people. That said, I have no doubt that all human beings have feet of clay. As the recent “travel voucher” issue displays (as an aside, in all places I have worked, this kind of shennanigans would be grounds for instant dismissal and the company would reserve the right to prosecute and recover the money; I have personally sacked people for far less).
    It does not obliterate Ms Bedi’s track-record and achievements- it just shows the downside of our hero-worship.
    Is Lokpal the right vehicle for prosecuting or investigating NGOs? IMO, no. I would prefer the anti-corruption body- in whatever shape- to focus only on government machinery and the people manning it.
    Notice, I did not say Lokpal- I share Manohar’s thoughts on the Lokpal being just parallel bureaucracy.
    3. Not having time to start something- sir, it is the same with me; I am doubly handicapped on both lack of time as well as ability. But, why not celebrate the fact that issues are being raised and brought into our consciousness?
    Sir, the uniqueness of this struggle is that it is largely a bourgeoisie movement. As a class, they are notoriously difficult to mobilize. Aren’t you glad that it is happening?
    4. I differ with you that our freedom struggle was not led by urbanites.
    Re’ farmer suicides in Vidarbha- sir, all of us sitting in Delhi/ NOIDA/ Mumbai/ Gurgaon.. in our airconditioned bedrooms, are guilty. I wish human life had more value in our collective conscience.
    But, would you have even known about this anti-corruption thing- if these guys were fasting in Hardwar or Manali ot Vidarbha or Kodaikanal?
    When my daughter cries, she does it to attract attention- even she is smart enough to do so where she has the maximum eyeballs- and more sympathetic ones the better!
    So, they are not clowns- they are just smart.
    5. No comment!
    6. The subtleties of the distinction between the satta and vyawastha (Congress and the Govt)exist- but, I agree with you, in today’s India, the distinction is difficult to draw.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    There is a deliberate attempt to tar Kiran Bedi as it has been done with all of team anna’s members. Why dont we check her answer. Tha5t all the money saved on travel was used by her NGO for bette4ring the conditions of deprived children.

    By the way let us also check out the expenses of the Congress MPs,including the gaffe prone Yuvraj. Nobody has done this as the CBI is controlled by the Congress.

    By the Congress defination anyb ody who says Vande Matram is a right winger.

    Anybody who says I luv India is an ultra nationalist…

    And only the Gandhi – Nehru parivar has a monoply over patriotism.

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    Prahlad_k Reply:

    Vijay Sir,

    I was expecting you to come up with a brilliant argument to extend Ashish Sir’s points. I am disappointed.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar, Ashish,

    those who swear by the name of Mahatma Gandhi have no compunction in staying in 7 star penthouse suites for 3 continuous months at a rent of Rs.1lac per day and bill it to the government, as our Hon. Krishna and Tharoor did, before the scandal broke and they were asked to foot the bill. Shashi Tharoor also refused to travel in what he called cattle class, incidentally the same as Kiran Bedi travelled in.

    Krishna also stayed in a 5star hotel in London for two days, all expenses paid by government, fully unauthorisedly, beyond entitlement. He too claims that like Tharoor, he is a honest member of Singh’s cabinet.

    MPs routinely sign the attendance register in the parliament and draw daily allowances, for the record, but do not attend proceedings of both houses. This has been going on for the last six decades.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    THEREFORE, I HOLD KIRAN BEDI NOT GUILTY.

    CASE CLOSED. FILE MOVED TO ARCHIVES.

    Prahlad_k Reply:

    Shenoy Sir,

    Ms Kiran Bedi could ask for “Donation” openly. Why did she involved her NGO, the organisor and even her CA in impropriety ? I think ICAI can take action against the CA for falsifying the record. Even the organisor could be in soup for making false payment by their auditor !

    Ravi Reply:

    “CASE CLOSED”, You are begining to sound like a lwyer without brief. Who gave you the brief for Kiran Bedi’s case.

    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay/ BVS
    a wrong is wrong.
    Remember the joke? A son came home and told his father, “I saved Rs 5 today”. “How?”, the father asked. “I ran after the bus, all the way to school; so I saved Rs 5 in bus fare”.
    “Idiot”, said the father. “you could have saved Rs 100 if you had run after a taxi!”
    Kiran Bedi could have thus saved more money by taking the train to the meeting and still claiming airfare!
    False vouchers are not on. I am serious.
    I am on the same page with you for the rest of the your post. I restrain myself with almost physical force from getting started on the Nehru-Gandhu family; because this is a family blog!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    What Kiran Bedi did was inappropriate. She could have always insisted upon direct donations/whatever to her NGO and claimed actual expenses for travel and fees, etc.

    Then there would have been no need to give long explanations one after another.

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  • Anonymous

    @Deluded Indians.
    REMOVING CORRUPTION TOTALLY WILL MAKE MAKE LIFE LOT LOT EASIER for “east delhi citizens”BUT WILL NOT MAKE AN IOTA OF DIFFERENCE TO THE 50%POVERTY LEVEL IN INDIA. This is because to cure of your malnutrition YOU NEED FOOD. And that is a function of SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, irrigation , mechanisation , storage , soil management etc. JUST BECAUSE 50% can sod it , THUS EAST DELHI CITIZENS are not bothered about the ZERO IMPACT REMOVAL OF CORRUPTION will have on general wellbeing of the poor.
    Lot of corruption can be tackled by tweaking the system , BUILDING 100 MORE SUPER JAILS AND APPOINTING 100000JUDGES.ALL DISCRETATIONARY POWERS TO BE REMOVED.

    Reflect on this bit of news that appeared on page 6 of Evening standard , a 72 page paper distributed freely to commuters.
    BRITISH BUSINESSMEN PACK YOUR BAG FOR TRIPOLI
    In the same page , another caption
    British engineers can build the bombed out cities and roads.
    NOW YOU KNOW WHY BRITAIN WAS AT THE FOREFRONT OF NATO AIRSTRIKES , AND NEVER A WORD EVEN FOR TIBET
    Looks like recession may end soon

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  • Anonymous

    Posted by Vir Sanghvi on Friday, October 21, 2011 at 8:42 pm.
    ” I am prepared to agree with Kejriwal when he says that the Shanti Bhushan CD was part of a conspiracy. We know now that the CD was faked and the refusal of the Delhi Police to recognise that it was a cut-and-paste job suggests a certain level of official complicity even if the CD itself was made by governmental sources.”
    Would Mr Vinod Sharma respond ?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am intigued that Vir Sanghvi a guest blogger with HT Media ( I do not thing he has been re-employed yet) should show that a prominent story done by Mr Vinod Sharma the Political Editor of the newspaper with his byeline , was false. The Political Editor had vehemently claimed that he had done due diligence before filing that story.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @Praveen_Saxena
    This only shows that there isn’t any conspiracy at the HT end to stifle views and perceptions. The case is before the court —as Shanti Bhushan has contested the Police’s closure report. The last word is yet to be heard.
    PS: on reading my response you’d know how miserably have you failed to drive a wedge within HT.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    Your hero of the CD episode is hiding from Tihar by shouting I am ill.
    The Court is nailing him for ghoos, rishwat, subverting democracy and somhow Digvinash is supporting him.

    Any comments?

    Would you confuse this by shouting that Kiran Bedi claimed extra money for travel to finance poor children’s education and we should call her criminal while Amar Singh Dahla whose activites range from kickbacka, subverting democracy and dahlagiri is prince charming?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Why Sirjee should I , a mere visitor to your blog , think of driving a wedge.I would always wish that the HT team should be rock solid.
    But Sirjee , the wedge is there for all to see….its is there in Vir Sanghvi’s comment.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ PAKISTAN’S DISCOMFORT ~~~ 0 ~~~ IS OUR COMFORT ~~~~~
    ==============================================================

    This post is for everyone, especially Ashish and Pankaj as we were in a discussion on the subject earlier.

    Before 9/11 happened Pakistan had a pretty much free run on India through its terrorist fauj. Now its fauj is terrorist as well as it has a fauj of terrorists :)

    From 1980 onwards it staged Punjab and the J&K terrorism. And then it created the Kargil war.Only after 9/11 did it change track as it found that uncle Sam was no longer backing it totally.

    So let us get real for a change. Pakistan is anyway going to cause terror. So in case Uncle Sam pounds its _ _ _ for a change, lets smile. And meanwhile put on a front of toughness that they dont get tempted to start a war on this border too.

    They won’t start a nuclear war. Then the whole world would pound them to death. It could at best be a Kargil type of intrusion. Lets be prepared for that.

    And in case the US actually gets down to a street fight… as a bonus, the end of Paksitan could herald in peaceful countries of Baluchistan and SIndh…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Vijay;
    It is a a matter of happiness that US has fully understood the double dealing of pakistan. Look at the Osama episode. These goons had no compunction in hiding Osama in the garrison town and prolonging the war in Afghanistan. US would have saved thousands of deaths of its soldiers, billions of dollars in money but for this wretched country, who proclaim to be an ally in war on terror. Any decimation of its forces, plus ceasation of American aid, will bring that country down to its knees, may be people will revolt and this cabal of generals will be killed like Gaddafi. A friendly pakistan will be an asset to not only India but world, present day pakistan is, as popularly known; world’s migraine”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    I think we need to be a bit ruthless in the interest of the country. Imagine since 1980, Pakistan is responsible for more than 100,000 deaths in India thru terror.

    We need to see that this evil entity is sent to jahunnum… if not by us… then at tleast by the US

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  • Anonymous

    Hilary Clinton said yesterday in the press conference YOU CANNOT KEEP SNAKES IN YOUR BACKYARD AND EXPECT THEM TO BITE THE NEIGHBOURS ONLY. Cant be any more blunter. What will happen next depends exclusively on Pakistan. One more attack on US embassy in kabul , waziristan will see tomahawk showering down. As to land invasion , well ALL US TROOPS ARE LEAVING IRAQ , SO AVAILABLE FOR AFGANISTAN.
    india should not drop its guard , AND STAY ALERT , IT IS POSSIBLE TO TAKE OUT THE NUKES WITH SU30MKI, universally acknowledged as the greatest fighter around till american RAPTOR comes into the scene which is 5yrs away.

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  • Anonymous

    I know about the final verdict in JMM bribery case but if you look at the history these MPs who took money for vote were hauled up by courts and were let off on technical ground.
    Some people want this to continue indefinitely.

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  • Anonymous

    I agree with both Manohar and Ashish that new Lokpal will be a parallel bureaucracy.
    According to me both CVC and CBI should be merged into one body making CBI independent of govt. and working under CVC.

    The CVC should be renamed as Lokpal and his selection should be done by panel where govt. & opposition MPs are in minority.

    The CVC should be strengthened and given all the powers of Lokpal.

    As far as conduct of MPs and MLAs inside parliament/assembly is concerned, the constitutional amendment if required can wait for time being but before that an Independent CVC+CBI = Lokpal should be formed.

    On other side NIA should be allocated more resources and made independent of Govt. All the State ATS bodies should work under NIA and these ATS bodies should only be responsible to NIA.

    It is time we make investigation and prosecution of any kind (corruption, terrrorism, riots etc.) free from political interference especially govts. (Central and State).

    We can keep arguing about technicalities but it is not going to help. The status quo will not work anymore..We need change and that too very drastic. Our constitution is not some holy book that we can not tinker with. If constitutional amendments are not possible, we should find ways around it. At the end of the day criminals of all types should be punished.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am glad that you recognize the fact this Lokpal will be a parallel bureaucracy and IMO with very doubtful benefits to the nation.

    That has been our bane – too much political interference in too many things and our energies should be directed to minimize or eliminate it completely.

    Our constitution is indeed kind of a holy book, but can be tinkered with, if need be and for that one needs 2/3rds majority in both the houses. There cannot be ways to get around it – it will be chaos and anarchy otherwise.

    Rest what you suggest is a matter of detail and worth considering.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Tandon,
    Believe me your reasons behind opposing Jan Lokpal are not same as Digvijay Singh and his chela Rahul Gandhi.

    I thought you were close to Congress’s position and that is why I kept this debate on.

    I have realized that your concerns are genuine and not phony like Rahul Gandhi.

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  • Anonymous

    Manohar,
    I concede the point that behavior of MPs and MLAs within house is protected by constitution.
    However in the case of JMM bribery case and recent cash for vote scam, the act of BRIBE was conducted outside the parliament. This act of accepting and giving bribe was not done within the confines of parliament. Are such criminal acts conducted by MPs and MLAs outside house protected by our constitution?
    Pl. clear my ignorance.

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  • Anonymous

    @RajeevS, Thia is an attempt to clear your ignorance. MP’s and MLA’s HAVE ONLY ONE PRIVILEGE INSIDE THE HOUSE ,that is they can say anything WITHOUT RISKING A LIBEL, but that’s about it, OTHER THAN THAT , EACH AND EVERY RULE OF THE LAND APPLIES EQUALLY TO THEM .
    Hope this clears your confusion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I being ignorant about rights of MPs and MLAs was just trying to clear few things. Thanks… I agree with you that MPs and MLAs should be free to do whatever they do in the house but once they are outside, they should be treated as commoners but is that happening?

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  • Anonymous

    No one has commented since more than one hour. Is every one busy ?

    I have read many bloggers writing about meeting deadlines, about being very busy,
    paapi pet ka sawal hai etc.
    This is for all those people

    The amount of money thats in your bank at the time of your death, is the
    extra work you did wchich was not necessary.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Unbeatable !! Ambani should give us grants of 100 crores each….

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    AshishC Reply:

    @Vijay,
    knock off one zero, 10 crores bhi chalega..

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    Not coming to blog all the time is like peeing in a black pant, you feel the warmth but others can not see it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    Very nice one.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mahatma Gandhi has approx. Rs.247 when he died. He too earned extra than was required. :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    Only you could say this. Brutely honest, never minces the words.
    Cannot

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wont spare Gandhi also.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Rajeev,

    since I have only debit balance in the account, I am not likely to die soon (at least till I clear my overdraft).

    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Dont disclose secret of long life.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Thanks..I try to be honest and this is why I hate deception.

  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    The elected representatives are protected against their conduct(*) within the house.

    (*) What they say or how they vote. If they use unparliamentary language, those are generally expunged and the member asked to apologise. These matters are dealt with by the Speaker and the disciplinary committee of the house.

    Their conduct outside is subject to the same laws outside as applicable to everyone else.

    The JMM bribery case probably failed because no connection between the unaccounted cash in their accounts and the way the voted in the parliament could be established. As for the crime of having unaccounted cash, it would be handled by the IT department (pay tax and a fine for example) or others independently of their conduct in the house.

    I hope this clears your doubts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No one cares about the stuff that MPs do in parliament. No one will care if they tear away each other’s limbs in the hose.

    How they vote in parliament is also not our concern as ours is a mature democracy where MPs go by their inner voice.

    We are only interested in bribes that they take outside the parliament. I think Lokpal should be concerned with this.

    Thanks for clearing my doubts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, we should not care about their conduct inside per se. If they take bribes outside – there are laws to deal with them. However, Arvind Kejriwal and Co. want to include the conduct within house to be brought under the ambit of the Lokpal and that is why there so much debate about constitutional amendment(s).

    The problem, in spite lawyers and judges in their team, Kejriwal’s draft bill was flawed to begin with – too many constitutional amendments would be required to make it operational and many provisions downright unconstitutional. They wanted to create an Ayotollah, who would be answerable to none and with unfettered powers. Just not done.

    If they take bribes, then it has to be established that they took the money in discharge of their duties as elected representatives. For example, the 16 odd MPs caught in the cash-for-questions scam admited it as such on camera. Their tenure were terminated by the house and not by some outside agency/authority.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think you have a point. Arvind Kejriwal and Rahul Gandhi both want COMPREHENSIVE LOKPAL bill for different reasons. The aim of bill should be to investigate and prosecute people involved in all types of corruption keeping in mind the constitutional provision.

    I too am against Grand Ayotollah whether in Lokpal or EC or some controlling govt. and govt. sanctioned civil society called NAC.

    Indian constitution is subverted all the time but Kejriwal and Co. should not demand anything constitutional. They can not behave like Congress who came up with unconstitutional NAC headed by Sonia Gandhi with total veto on govt. policies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    I am glad that we are seeing eye to eye on some issues or agreeing to disagree on others. I like it. Happy to discuss any issue with you.

    The existing authorities and institutions are answerable to someone. The system is so structured that ultimately it is answerable to the people of this country via the parliament/legislatures. The people decide who gets elected to the them – that lot of undesirable people get in is a different matter altogether, but a matter of grave concern. It is to be tackled by some other means – not Lokpal.

    Having said that what Kejriwal & Co (I would not like to use the term Anna’ team – as I said he has been taken advantage of) had proposed that Lokpal would not be answerable to anyone – a law unto oneself. Above the Prime Minister too and other constitutional authorities.

    The CEC and the CAG have been given constitutional status, so that there is no political interference and they can carry on with their job without fear and hindrance. Look how the elections are conducted in India – a envy of the world. One fact you may not be aware of, once the process of elections is announced – not even the Supreme Court intervenes in any manner to halt it even for a minute for whatever reasons- if someone has complaint about any irregularity – it is dealt with by the courts after the process is over – during the process the aggrieved person can only approach the CEC. During the elections, the Election Commissioners are the masters and for the last 20 years or so (after the advent of T N Seshan) they have done an excellent job.

    Second, their version of the bill denied anyone from seeking review of the decision by the courts, as their decision could not be challenged in any court of law. Another was bringing the Supreme Court under the lens of the Lokpal. These were some of the ridiculous provisions. There were many others. They assumed that everyone (other than themselves*) in this country was corrupt to the core and needed to be dealt with.

    * It seems that they are not paragons of virtue either if current news reports are to be believed.

    I have pointed out in earlier blogs as what needs to be done to reduce/minimize corruption – a cancer that needs to be severely controlled.

    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    I tend to think-
    a) The maximalist positions advocated by some members of Anna’s team are just negotiating tactics. Shoot for the moon and at least reach the cloud!
    b) I differ with you on what I perceive you seem to be saying- that Anna is a great guy, with stellar achievements and moral standing and so on. His team has dubious creds and even more – dubious motives.
    I think it is a lot more complex.
    I think Anna hopes the Lokpal will perform the role that he does in Ralegan Siddhi. Wield a stick and ban corrupt practices and vices like alcohol, TV and so on.
    That is the problem- and it is THE tiger they will find difficult to dismount.
    Also, and I am not being patronizing here, Anna’s worldview is not broad enough to seek cogent solutions- even to the narrow problem of corruption, forget the solutions. That said, I repeatedly maintain that his singular achievement is in rallying the urban middle-class and bringing corruption as an issue in our collective consciousness.
    Kejriwal, Bhushan, Bedi, Hegde may be broadly united on the anti-corruption plank but have few other meeting grounds.
    If they continue to stay very narrowly focused on corruption as an issue- they will succeed. I think the media and Congress recognise that the best way to blunt their edge is to seek their articulation of their known positions on other, non-corruption issues and use the differences to drive a wedge/ gain more TRPs and so on.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    My intention was not to glorify Anna as some sort of Mahatma. I have always distinguished between the good work he has done on the development front and his hitleresque style of moral policing. We have discussed it before.

    The group took him on board to give a face to their movement. I doubt he has ever understood the grave implications of the contents of the Jan Lokpal bill. That were major embarrassments after many of his statements. He rallied people no doubt and the political class had to take notice, but one has to wonder for how long. Such movements (pardon the expression) are not one-night stands.

    The group is already tottering – n number (including some you have mentioned) have been sidelined or have left on their own. One of the reasons was the Himalayan blunder of targeting one political party rather than the political class as a whole. They have lost a lot of credibility.

    What the Congress party (rightly or wrongly, any other would have probably done the same) did and continues to do so is discredit the people – they seem to have succeeded to certain extent – telling the world – look these guys and gals are no angels. In a way pay them back in the same coin. Kejriwal & Co. chose to confront the system, instead of working with it.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev

    I agree with you – this NAC business should have never been formalized as part of the system – but then what else one can expect from the sycophants.

    I do not think they have a total veto – there are other views and opinions in the Government – the Cabinet, the Planning Commission and finally the Parliament, to be contend with. Governance is the art of the possible.

    AshishC Reply:

    In one of my unfinished dialogs with Mahesh, I made the point that the real big corruption will increasingly happen in the policy domain- and I do not see how the Lokpal will catch them.
    After all MPs can sanction anything from gas pipeline to sugar mills to petrol pumps to land-use to mining rights to spectrum…
    If they are “pursuaded” through unfair means – who will catch them? Just the problem; no solution.

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    Ravi Reply:

    I assume you are hinting at US style democracy, where it has almost become subverted by the Lobby Industry.

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    AshishC Reply:

    well, yes.. at least partly.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev, Manohar, Ashish,

    I more I visit this blog more I learn. Good dsicussion guys.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Agree. That is why I am against creating this monster – Lokpal or whatever. Go to the roots to prevent the mischief than play police and robbers later.

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  • Ravi

    Yet another ban forced into place by Hindutva Peddlers

    Under pressure from ABVP, a Sangh Organisation, the University of Delhi has banned the study of an article written by A. K. Ramanujan.

    The article compares various retellings of Ramayana, by Dravidians, Dalits, Tribal, Shudra, Jaina, and other South Asian countries. Apparently having many Ramayanas works against the Hindutva cause and that has rattled the cage of Hindu Fundamentalists.

    What is next on the list, which the Hindu Fundamentalists would like to ban in the name of forging a Homogeneous Hindu Society – which besides being an oxymoron, will destroy the very reason why India in general and Hinduism in particular is so charming.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I see you are back..

    You would notice that when you went away the quality of debate had risen and abuse had disappeared.

    Please dont try to get the blog back to a lower level by getting everyone to talk about you are your personal fixation against Hindus and India.

    You will n otice that Engrich was the only guy who missed you and would let out poems of lament on your disappearence.

    So let us keep the platform neat and clean and without personal abuse or trying to become the centre of atention.

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    engrich Reply:

    truth is sour.fascism lives on lies and hate propaganda.name of rama is being used by hindutva goons to divide and destroy india.

    anna hazare is like nato rats of libya.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    My personal fixation, yesterday both the Hindustan Times as well as the TOI carried editorials on this issue. The authors were Pratik Kanjilal and Dileep Padgaonkar, Some accademics of DU are preparing for a protest against this ban.

    So hardly a personal fixation of mine.

    Now your own personal fixations are your own concern,

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    please read Swapan Dasgupta in TOI today for a nuanced take on the issue and larger issue of how history and its studies are handled in India. Really classy essay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I agree.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I have read that blog.

    Swapan Dasgupta is making two points.

    1. Why have prescribed texts any way, why not just set broad themes and let individual institution recommend texts to their students.

    2. The banning of any academic article is “an attack on the spirit of free inquiry”

    On both those points I agree with him. I do not see Dasgupta’s article disagreeing with either Kanjilal or Padgaonkar.

    He is not supporting the ABVP case for a Ban.

    I regret that our education has become politicised and is being press ganged to serve the Hindutva project.

    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    trust you to miss the broader point.
    Did you recognise the names of historians whose seminal work have been all but obliterated from history syllabi across the country? Jadunath Sarkar, RC Majumdar and AL Shrivastava?
    These were not done by ABVP; quite the contrary. Not for the first time, I think you only read to confirm your own world view.

    Ravi Reply:

    Ashish

    I can assure you that was not my intention.

    Firstly, I am not familiar with the works of these historians; secondly, I did not read Dasgupta saying that these Historians have been BANNED under pressure from some left leaning pressure group.

    My point is not which slant of our history should prevail, rather the mechanical act of BANNING of a scholarly written piece of work. You misunderstand my motivation.

    My understanding is that the Historians mentioned no longer fit the view the University likes to promote. I would agree with you that in itself is an act of politicisation of our education and that I consider to be bad and I agree with Dasgupta’s observation.

    I hope you are not suggesting that DU will not rate an exam script highly, if the submission made these Historians works the focus and/or cited them.

    AshishC Reply:

    Ravi,
    My point is simple.
    Over the last 60 odd years, the history and historiography in India has been made to order- of a certain way of thinking.
    You are correct- I doubt students of history in DU will today even bother reading RC Majumdar or Jadunath Sarkar.
    Education in social science disciplines is dominated by a certain type of profs- they award phds to only those that follow their “line”.
    It is a mafia.
    I have the greatest respects for the scholarships for many of the prominent historians in JNU/ DU but, they have singularly failed to produce an alternate viewpoint of history.
    The purge works at the curriculum level, the faculty level. It starts with selection, of course.
    I am as much against banning of Salman Rushdie as Rohointon Mistry as Ramanujan…
    Having said that, just removing the essay from the “prescribed text” should be no deterrent to committed Profs who wish to expose their students to the text.
    I am looking forward to you campaign for removing the ban that GOI imposed on Satanic verses. Or, is that ban just fine?

    AshishC Reply:

    Also, take a look at this link
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_India#Books
    The thought police is not a monopoly of the right! Fight for free thought and I will fight with you. NOT a particular bent of mind and calling it free thought.

    Ravi Reply:

    I am fighting for free thought.

    Had an article written by a Right Wing Historian be the subject of BANNING.

    My position would have been identical.

    I am not even sure if the original article written my Ramanuja is right wing.

    The BANNING of it is being asked by a Sangh Parivar Organisation.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    I agree with you. A lot of noise is made out by the secular funddoos about some imaginary kind of literary fascism! Swapan Dasgupta has exposed these fundoos as only he can.

    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    You obviously did not read the essay by Swapan Dasgupta.

    Here is an excerpt.

    The essay “Three Hundred Ramayanas” by indologist A K Ramanujan was never intended as an iconoclastic exercise. It spelt out the interesting variations in the “Ramayana” story in India and Southeast Asia with a great measure of quiet reverence. In fact, Ramanujan concluded his essay with a tale of the mental and social elevation of a village dolt after he actually listened to a recitation of the “Ramayana”.

    If the article is reverential then Why was pressure put on the DU, to drop it from the prescribed reading list

    He calls those who were asking for the ban ”philistines” I guess that clearly states his position on the question of banning.

    The ABVP’s objection is clearly based on the essay contradicting the Hindutva objective of a Homogeneous Hindu Society. The ABVP is “despaired of a text that injected potentially “blasphemous” and contrarian ideas in impressionable minds.”

    Whilst I would agree that hegemony of the progressives in our campuses is not good, but replacing it with the hegemony of Hindu Fundos is much worse.

    Dasgupta’s conclusion – “The space for critical discernment is fast disappearing and we are turning into a nation of slogan shouters.” Is in a round about way condemning the ABVP led pressure on banning this Ramanuja essay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    I think Vinod Sharma has re-admitted him to “lift” his internet TRPs, which have shown a down ward trend. Unfortunately, he doesn’t understand that the fall in TRP is because of the new format of 15 posts per page.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Fake Ravi,

    now you read what your co-religionists are doing to small girl students in Egypt, under your fundoo rule.

    http://www.dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/oped/12264-christians-hounded-by-islamists-in-egypt.html

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    Ravi Reply:

    I choose to ignore this point less post

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    engrich Reply:

    student has to follow school dress.what is problem.some countries it is on national level.forcing not to wear is more bad.

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  • Ravi

    You are begining to sound like a Lawyer, with no brief. You keep closing cases when no one has ever given you a case.

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  • Ravi

    The Advani Rath Yatra Limping on Deflated Tyers

    Even though the text BREAKING NEWS and the attendant ticker tape wastefully occupy the TV screens in Indian News Channels, it was still glaringly obvious that Advani’s Rath Yatra has lost its news worthiness. It seems to be very low down on the running order.

    I guess such NAUTANKIS have outlived their usefulness, delivering increasingly less electoral dividends.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Moreover, he is going to skip Bangalore for obvious reasons.

    Truly a NauTanki. Some people will never learn.

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  • Dr Mishra

    ASHISH, VIJAY, SHENOY, etc- censorship

    The west quotes Voltaire- I may disagree with you, but I will defend your right to say it. Educated people should have no difficulty with this simple assertion.

    But theory and practice are often different. If you live in an inflamed and unstable world, then diplomacy and compromise is the name of the game. The west was bloody STUPID in the way it handled the Quran burning pastor, Rushdie’s offensive book and Danish cartoon controversies. SO F STUPID THE WEST WAS THAT LIVES WERE LOST IN THESE CONTROVERSIES.

    So what does Dr Mishra say- sach bolo. lekin kadwa sach- soch ke bolo. Say the truth or say anything, but if it is bitter- then think long and hard before saying it. With this prism I analyse every controversy from Maqbool silly Fida Hussain to the Shivaji book controversy.

    The Indian govt was right to ban Rushdie and in that process saved thousands of lives.

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  • Anonymous

    guys few words about swapan dasgupta. He did his HS from La martineirre in Calcutta.
    He is ?”connected” ? descendant of a very famous BENGALI industrialist. That is Calcutta Chemicals. It is was through and through “bengali” enterprise , TECHNICALLY BRILLIANT , very clean and honest.It had on its board, Prof Asima Chatterjee , Head of Chemistry ,Internationally reknowned.Its products were also world class , lavender talc, tuhina ., kanta perfume.But like all bengali enterprise , could not cope with the DIRTY aspect of indian business , and i am not sure if it exists any more. Swapan dasgupta graduated from St stephen’s in HISTORY, and managed to get a scholarship in cambridge under Prof Tapan Roychoudhuri , his thesis being POLITICAL SOMETHING IN BENGAL CIRCA 1864 OR SOMETHING.
    INCREDIBLE TO STUDY BENGAL YOU NEED TO GO TO CAMBRIDGE.
    Anyway that stint ,completely bowled him over with english culture.
    So much so , in one article he remarked about high tea in The Savoy at strand ,and how that experience is incomparable

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Before 2009, Swapan Dasgupta was an unabashed supporter and apologist of the RSS/BJP. After the drubbing, perhaps he realized that he could not possible to continue doing so, keep defending the indefensible and definitely disappointed with the shenanigans of Hindutva forces. His own credibility was at stake. Hence, he has “moved” a little away from his earlier position.

    The English culture and the high tea business is just a side show. Everyone is a entitled to admire whatever one takes fancy to.

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  • Ravi

    Manohar, Engrich, Etc – What is the point

    I am not sure if in the context of the BANNING of the Ramnujan Essay, the above post actually makes any point.

    The Essay itself is not Kardwa Sach by any imagination. It suddenly seems to have become Kardwa to some Hindutvadi’s, because it distracts people from their Homogeneous Hindu Society message that they would like to propagate. This was also true of Salman Rushdies Fantastic Book – The Satanic Verses

    Variety of thought is so deeply inherent in the Hindu Society – because it has evolved and grown by absorbing communities, thought, and practices – that making it Homogeneous is akin to vivisecting peoples creative thought processes and replacing it with the discipline of blind obedience.

    It will NEVER work.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am against bans, censorship, moral policing, curbing free speech, what have you.

    Only the insecure types, the ’self-appointed guardians’ of the society and those wanting cheap and free publicity want to ban books, films, etc., moral police the society, as they feel that their make-believe world is threatened.
    In practically all the cases, when quizzed whether have read or seen the “offending” piece of work, the answer is always negative.

    The worst part is that the authorities – the governments, universities, etc. succumb to such pressures from these loony and lumpen outfits.

    Recently, the Mumbai Film Festival, one such loony outfit demanded that the film of M F Hussain be not shown. Glad to say, the organisers told them – go take a walk.

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  • Anonymous

    @Ravi, Dont know if you are aware amongst SANTHALS the occasion of durga puja is not of celebration BUT MOURNING. Ram is not revered but feared and probably hated by the SANTHALS.I know this from one of my relative who lives in MALDAH , in west bengal.Apparently there are lot of santhals in the outskirts of maldah..
    The BRAMHINICAL SCUMS even demeaned gautam buddha , by labelling his thoughts as being FALSE and work of somebody possessed by the demons.Not my words but the words od swami vivekananda

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    Ravi Reply:

    Shan

    I was steering away; from ascribing merits and demerits to individual versions of Ramayanas, and which one of them qualifies as being the most authentic one. I will leave that to the experts.

    Apparently, Valmiki’s original version was injected with a Brahminical tone before it was accepted. There is no doubt that it is a text which glorifies Aryan triumph over Dravidian civilisation. I guess the Santhalis belong to the Dravidian race whose indigenous King Ravana was made into a monster.

    I understand that there are some temples where Ravana is worshiped and that is what makes India so interesting.

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  • Anonymous

    Can somebody enlighten me , why THE POLYESTER PRINCE , an autobiography of Dhirubhai Ambani was banned. Where was the scope of riots with this book , or was it that WARTS AND ALL was to be revealed and the Govt with a little backhander from Ambanis duly obliged

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shaan,

    you are talking about Ambani’s autobiography. What about Abul Kalam Azad’s autobiography? Why was it censored and delayed?

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mr Shenoy

    As Manohar has pointed out on many an instance that you have, a tendency to ignore the question posed, because the answer is an inconvenient one.

    Your reaction then is to pose an irrelevant question (whose answer you already know) to divert attention and to look smarter than you really are.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    why don’t you give him a standing ovation?

    Ravi Reply:

    I will ignore this ridiculous post

    Anonymous Reply:

    why didn’t you read Ashish’s reply to you abourt banning by the other section?

    Ravi Reply:

    And why don’t you read my reply to it

  • Pankaj#1

    Ashish;
    You did not respond to my last post. Either you agree or do not agree. Please do not ignore me. It is not that I wish to come one up against you, never, but would like to get enlightened in the process, of this tower(blog) of Babel.

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    AshishC Reply:

    .. but, I did..at least I thought I did.. I shall try and ferret out the piece if I can.. this format does not make it easy

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  • Anonymous

    DR SHAN OF singlegyrus, even after getting yr puny bong asss whipped by millions on blog on your white asss worship you still could not help yrself. Your words= in love with english culture so that high point of his life was having tea in Savoy= how pathetically spineless can you get.
    Savoy, Dorchester etc are inconseqential. I do think your SC/ST origin has poisoned yr mind so much that all you do is sikh hindu bashing and uk worshipping. This is almost psychitric, an OCD perhaps. Whatever keeps your sad life happy DR SHAN, youlovable obsessive little anglophile cockroach hiding in crevice of western society

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    I think at an impressionable age, some kaala Brahmin must have done something to him, making him hate the whole class and go in the opposite direction of loving all shweth lin…………

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  • Dr Mishra

    Ravi, I thought it was very clear that my post mentioned only Rushdie, Quran burning pastor, Hussain and Danish cartoons. Ramanajum is not mentioned at all !!!!
    I can only quote Ashish here- ‘ Ravi, trust you to miss the broader point.
    These were not done by ABVP; quite the contrary. Not for the first time, I think you only read to confirm your own world view. ‘

    Ashish- you say- you are all for letting Rushdie publish. Despite the inevitable deaths ?? I support the practical stance of the Indian govt banning Rushdie back then. As I said- KADWA SACH YA BOL, SOCH KE BOLO

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    I guess that you – not for the first time – failed to read my response.

    One could easily argue and I have done so on several occasions before that you too miss the broader point and read only to re-enforce your own deeply held prejudices.

    I suggest you read my new post above in response to Ashish’s post. You may not learn anything new, but at least you will know my POV from me and not from Ashish.

    I will take a bet, as I have done so previously, you will ignore this post.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra,

    it was not wise for the Indian government to rush into banning Salman Rushdie, even before most of the declared Muslim countries had done so.

    It was also not right for the WB communists to ban Taslima Nasreen and hound her out from India. It is pertinent to note that even the TC government of Mamta didi has not rescinded the ban. Taslima continues to be an unwecome guest in an India, which for centuries, has welcomed with open arms all the Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Zoarastrian invaders, poachers, preachers and refugees.

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  • Ravi

    Ashish

    I am posting this out of thread for obvious reasons. But it addresses issues you raised in your reply to me elsewhere

    Perhaps it is me, but it seems we are arguing from the same side but with different emphasis.

    So I will try again to put forward my view point.

    I have already stated that hegemony of the “progressives” in our education system is not conducive for the advancement of open and honest education.

    However, replacing it with hegemony of those who favour a different orthodoxy, a Hindu (their version of it) orthodoxy is, in my opinion worse.

    My reason for taking that stance is because the methods used to gain the hegemony by these two groups is also fundamentally different.

    The first group is a loose confederation of “like minded” individuals whilst the second group is that of a highly organised, centrally inspired and directed group.

    The affiliation formed by the first group is on the basis of free will – even if it is based upon willing acceptance of a certain hue of indoctrination, whilst the second group is dictated to by the “Thinkers and strategisers” of a highly organised Political Organisation.

    In my view that difference of modus operandi is very significant.

    Days when Communist Polit Bureaus, performing a role similar to the RSS central think tank are long way in our past. The progressives these days are free marketers and not your dyed in red fire-brand communists.

    The current trend is towards “scientific history” and Upinder Singh and Nayanjot Lahiri are but two examples. History is being re-written daily and DU is rightly in the fore-front of this renaissance. JNU may well be a different story.

    I think banning of Salman Rushdie’s book the Satanic Verses and that of Bhavsagar Granth by the orthodox Sikhs are totally un-defendable. I used to own a copy of the Satanic Verses (I loaned it to some one, who chose not to return) and had that been a current topic, then you bet I would have defended the right of it being freely available to read every where in the world.

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  • Anonymous

    Ek aadmi INDIA GATE pe
    chilla raha tha – “PRIME MINISTER nikamma hai..”
    Delhi Police ne usse pakadkar peetna shuru kar diya,
    aur bola Chalo thaane . P.M. ki INSULT karta hai …
    aadmi: Maine toh ENGLAND ke P.M. ke Liye Bola Tha .
    Delhi Police ne do Thappad aur lagaye
    aur Bole – “BEWAKOOF BANATA HAI, kya? KYA Hamein NAHIN PATA KAUNSA PM NIKAMMA HAI? “

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Good one.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Before L. K. Advani set off on his Rath Yatra, he was invited by Mohan Bhagwat – the RSS Sarsanghachalak – for a formal training on how to drive a Bullock pulled Rath.

    As they rode in an open field in Nagpur, with thousands of swayamsevaks keenly watching this display of pageantry, the Bullock let rip the most horrendous earth-shattering, eye-smarting blast of flatulence, and a waft of the most noxious fumes hit them.

    Uncomfortable, but maintaining control, the Sarsanghachalak did his best to ignore the whole incident, but then Mohan Bhagwat decided that was a ridiculous manner with which to handle a most embarrassing situation. He turned to Mr. Advani and said please accept my regrets. I’m sure you understand that there are some things even a Sarsanghachalak cannot control.”

    Advani, ever the jester, replied, “please don’t give the matter another thought. You know, if you hadn’t said something I would have assumed it was the Bullock.”

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,
    Good one. :)

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  • Ravi

    Obama Election Strategy

    Recent events have led one to guess what Obama’s Election Strategy may be. Two of the options are:

    1. Is it that Obama is relying on a stream of Home Coming News vignettes on TV to create a warm feeling towards him among some of the Republicans and the hope is that it will result in success at the ballot box.

    2. Is Obama thinking that there is now such a strong anti Pakistan feeling among the public in the USA, that an extension of the Afghan war DIRECTLY into Pakistan may be a greater electoral asset. If that is the case then the video clip showing the setting off of the Nuclear Armed “Seventh Fleet” or its modern equivalent may deliver bigger electoral dividend.

    By killing Osama Bin Laden, the US killed a Sanp, but the Sapera is still very much in tact. It is daily creating more Samps.

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  • Anonymous

    Did Anna team break any law for anti congress campaign at Hissar ?

    Interesting article.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/report/can-pc-prosecute-kejriwal-for-anti-cong-hisar-campaign/20111021.htm

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    Ravi Reply:

    They may not have broken any law, but they have compromised their party political neutrality.

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    engrich Reply:

    an rss man cannot be politically neutral.his compaign is part of larger conspiracy to destablize india.in libya alciada is working with nato and hitlery cl0nt0n to establish sharia laws,like in iraq.god save india.they are using 7th century islamic laws as an instrument of suppression to turn country into qabaristan and then rob how much possible.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think Anna turned political when he said if Congress passes lokpal, he will work with Congress.

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  • Anonymous

    Why was ‘Da vinci code’ banned in India whereas it was not so in the west?

    Let there be freedom of speech and thought on everything and bans should not be applied selectively.

    I want Ramayana to be commented on but at the same time Quran should not be exempt from free critique.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    In India, things get banned because they offend the sensibilities of two and half people and are also against the “great Indian culture, values and traditions”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are right…Satanic verses was first banned in India and then Nasreen was kicked out by liberal COMMUNISTS…

    Unfortunately only hindus get all the brickbats for being insane whereas as insanity of others especially muslims is tolerated as sensibilities.

    This kind of biased treatment will result in a retaliation which will not be good for the nation.

    It is time we do away with politics of banning or come up with a panel of TRULY SECULAR people to decide what should be banned.

    Let these kinds of decisions not be made by thugs from politics.

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    engrich Reply:

    tasleema is a tool in hands of brhmnst to create anti-muslim tension and propaganda.she has 5 divorces.this shows his mental status.always writes non-sense to get attention and help anti-india brhmncl forces with her stupidities.

    AshishC Reply:

    Engrich,
    thank you for making the point more eloquently (without meaning to, of course!) than even Rajeev could!

    Ravi Reply:

    I deeply object to this comment.

    It is derogatory to midgets, I urge you to retract it immediately.

    Or else I would be asking that you be banned from this blog.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Before that I would like know why you object and then we will see.

    Anonymous Reply:

    When you are trying to be sarcastic, please put an asterix or something, so that your highfalutin debater friend and side kicks can understand the sarcasm.

    engrich Reply:

    critising ok abusing not acceptable.regarding ramanaya ,it is epic.bhardwaj ,a bvrhmn has confirmed in supreme court that ,ram never existed in india.it is all imagination.brhmnst are using this as a tool to destablize and divide india.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    the ban on Taslima Nasreen’s book or her own deportation have not been rescinded even by Mamta Banerji government.

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  • engrich

    ravi,ashish &shan,will of a legend,

    Muammar Gaddafi’s website, Seven Days News, says it has published the last will of the deceased former leader of Libya.

    The document was reportedly handed to three of his relatives, one of whom was killed, the second arrested and the third managed to escape the fighting in Sirte.

    Here is the English translation:

    “This is my will. I, Muammar bin Mohammad bin Abdussalam bi Humayd bin Abu Manyar bin Humayd bin Nayil al Fuhsi Gaddafi, do swear that there is no other God but Allah and that Mohammad is God’s Prophet, peace be upon him. I pledge that I will die as Muslim.

    Should I be killed, I would like to be buried, according to Muslim rituals, in the clothes I was wearing at the time of my death and my body unwashed, in the cemetery of Sirte, next to my family and relatives.

    I would like that my family, especially women and children, be treated well after my death. The Libyan people should protect its identity, achievements, history and the honourable image of its ancestors and heroes. The Libyan people should not relinquish the sacrifices of the free and best people.

    I call on my supporters to continue the resistance, and fight any foreign aggressor against Libya, today, tomorrow and always.

    Let the free people of the world know that we could have bargained over and sold out our cause in return for a personal secure and stable life. We received many offers to this effect but we chose to be at the vanguard of the confrontation as a badge of duty and honour.

    Even if we do not win immediately, we will give a lesson to future generations that choosing to protect the nation is an honour and selling it out is the greatest betrayal that history will remember forever despite the attempts of the others to tell you otherwise.”
    More on This Story

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    Anonymous Reply:

    This ‘will’ is invalid ab initio, as it says that there is NO OTHER GOD BUT Allah. We in India know that there are several gods.

    When death came to him, he was hiding in a gutter, by is which no way to be ‘in the vanguard of confrontation as a badge of duty and honour.

    However, you and fake Ravi would do well to study the last sentence very carefully and work out why both of you are indulging in destroying our country.

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    engrich Reply:

    When death came to him, he was hiding in a gutter

    he was not hiding in gutter.nato forces use chemical and biological on sirte killing 20000civilians.he was arrested 2 days before tortured and given to wahabis to kill so that civil war can start.

    film what we see was made in ben ghazi theatre to depict him bad,like saddam hussain,who was caught from friends house.they played computer generated film.but they are stupid,as month of january donot have dates on trees.

    dont teach us patriotism.in 1857 when ur forefathers were licking the a$$of britishers and polishing their shoes we sacrificed 1 million to save dignity and integrity of india.

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  • Anonymous

    The RSS/BJP have always practiced double standards and doublespeak.

    It is also demonstrated here on this blog day in and day out by their apologists and supporters.

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  • Ravi

    You have read it, that should be sufficient.

    We should all feel safe now, in the knowledge that there are sevral gods. How revealing!!

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    engrich Reply:

    he was talking of his god.world is more unsafe now they can change any goverment they want with their air power and arming local and paying for mercenaries.i was smelling same game in india through ann ,arming rss use air power in the name protecting civilians.
    resistence is still strong.could not declare liberation in tripoli.he was popular leader.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What kind of a legend is he who hides in a sewer fearing death?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Why are you engaging in a dialogue with him.? Just ignore
    him.

    engrich Reply:

    running away IS BEST POLICY.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    you are right, I shouldn’t have stooped to his level, which is actually gutter level. But, like Gaddafi thought nothing of hiding in the sewer pipe, sometimes you have to bend and peep inside the gutter to see the ‘keeda’.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Engrich knows more about Gadaffi…. Becasue T U R D S float in a sewer….

    engrich Reply:

    this shows ur ignorance.read his will.he was expecting death.he was not hiding in sewarage pipe.there are 100s of version one of them is this.
    i explained down.he is great african legend.he was murdered because,
    1.he gave 97 billion dollars to poor african countries.
    2.he gifted sattlelite africa so now their mobile and tv is their own.
    3.he was making african monetary fund free from imf.with one african currency.
    4.started interest free banking.which was helping african a lot.

    if he was afraid of his death ,he could submit to nato and have everything u can dream.
    that is why he will be remembered as legend for centuries t come in africa.

    i wrote u down most acceptable circumstances.

  • Anonymous

    Just because Anna Hazare and his team have stood up against the mighty UPA Government of India, they should be prepared to face its wrath. So tidbits about alleged misdemeanors are being made front page headlines. The standards they wish to set for Team Anna is those of the old Dharmendra starrer “Satyakaam”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kiran Bedi has asked her travel agent(s) to return the excess amount to the organizers of the events/meets she attended.

    Whether it is UPA or the NDA, the central government is always mighty. Recall the Tehelka sting operation (Bangaru Laxman, …) the then government made sure that it was destroyed. This is the sad fact about our governments/authorities and is disgusting to say the least.

    If you need to get things done from any entity – you have to work with it and not confront it by issuing threats, ultimatums, etc.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    I have very high regards for Tehelka’s investigative journalism but I failed to understand why didn’t Tehelka do any sting operation against UPA govt. especially against people from Congress Party?

    Why is that none of the scams were unearthed by Tehelka?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    you are being told here by Vinod Sharma and his cronies here on this blog, that the central government is all powerful and ordinary individuals cannot and should not fight this all powerful, all encompassing entity and if anybody dares to confront this giant, then don’t complain that you got bruised and beaten or even ruined, which is what happened to Team Anna.

    The unfortunate reality is that the media, which was just a month ago backing the anti-corruption movement, is now one with the most corrupt regime in the whole world, in destroying the credibility and characters of Anna’a team, with unbelievable ferocity and viciousness.

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  • Anonymous

    Anna and his team are not asking for any favours from the government. With the support of the people , they wish to mount pressure on the government to perform its duty which it is not performing. The government is not the “Mai Baap” of the people but its servant.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~ WHY rants against HINDUS AND HINDUISM REFLECT a tu-rd Tajendar mindset~
    ==============================================================

    For the past few days, we have been seeing a concentrated attack on Hinduism on this site. It makes me yawn !! How Boring… how straitjacketed… how predictable… it is those time wasters again, serving a jehadi agenda !

    They have again hijacked the meaningful debate on the LokPal- with fantastic contributins by Rajeev and Manohar– and the other interesting topics– How Dr Mishra rattled the cage, MOhan’s jokes, Shenoy’s poems and a debate on religion hy Dr Shah Alam.

    Let me go back to the mid ninties when the attacks on Hindu religion was considered very “intellectual.”

    I was in college, even had a beard– partly Che` and partly fashion and often attended the leftist meetings at Mandi house– mostly because of an ambition to become a director/writer

    At that point, the flames in Punjab were subsiding but Kashmir was getting engulfed and Mandal was the topic of the day.

    “All exploitation in this country is because of Hindus,” One guy in khadi kurta would declare
    .
    “It is better that Hindus are converted…” another would comment.

    I would hear them out, somtime argue and the finally say, “do you have the guts to say the same things about other religions in public forum.”

    That is what I will say today. Engrich and his saathi have a divisive agenda. But they should not spoil a public forum by monoplising space. THe subject is on Anna. Why spoil things and make them nasty….

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    engrich Reply:

    Engrich and his saathi have a divisive agenda

    mr vijay neither i have any agenda nor i am a politian.i write something which i feel correct.good for the nation.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Most people know the name of that nation!!

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay
    Undermining of the Hindu tradition and culture and pushing it into oblivion by those who have been in Power in India for long, was a collateral fall out of Vote-bank politics. This was a conspiracy of the Left and drew tacit support of the Congress. This was the easiest strategy to win elections in India. Unite thge

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay

    SO you too were part of the beard and kurta brigade ! Interesting…

    Anyway, IHMO, Indian seculairsm can only genuinly work as long as Hindus who are 85% of the country remain secular. I know they are lot of attacks all around… but they need to emphatically tell the attackers that do not try to spoil Indian secularism by trying to judge Hindusim in a weighing scale in which you dare not put your own religion…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vijay

    Well written…

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  • engrich

    shenoy mohan vijay and ravi ,
    see following on u-tube,
    The Real Reason Why Gadaffi Was Killed & Why We’re In Libya

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  • Anonymous

    Mr. Sharma’s new blog is now live.

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  • Anonymous

    Ishwar,

    You last paragraph says it all. Even if he finds any misdemeanor of
    UPA leaders, I am sure it will be ignored

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  • Anonymous

    @Plonker Ishwar, The point vinod Sharma is trying to make is that PEOPLE LIVING IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDNOT THROW STONES AT OTHERS.the mijoram saga is a fact.Jyoti Basu’s son who later married his own daughter’s girlfriend, got admitted to srinagar medical college through Sheikh Abdullah’s CM quota. That imbecile didn’t last more than a year.
    The point is CORRUPTION IS INEVITABLE IN A POOR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY , even USA has recurring problem of corruption.Bernie Maddox, milkin and junk bond , World com , ENRON etc.
    But Bramhinicalscums are not interested in the NDTV programme HUNGRY KYA , for their interest lies some where else. THEY HATE GIVING BRIBE , BUT HAPPY TO DODGE TAXES, be it while purchasing house (lower value on paper , so less tax paid to govt).
    This IDIOTIC MOVEMENT IS DIVERTING ATTENTION FROM realissues, that is HUNGER MALNUTRITION / NEED FOR QUANTUM LEAP IN AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTION, 100%COMPULSORY EDUCATION ENFORCED BY LAW.

    Govt can create CENTRE FOR MONITORING CORRUPTION , to flag up the cases, just like we have CENTRE FOR MONITORING INDIAN ECONOMY

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @arsewipeShan,

    What glasshouse are you talking about? Whose money is it that is being talked about? Is it your money or Mr. Sharma’s?

    Am I to assume that if no one had raised a fight against corruption, all the nation’s problems would have been solved by the great economist trio at the helm?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I always wondered why there is not a single Bengali activist working in Anna’s core team or extended team…

    When you put a problem to be solved, most of the people come up with ideas to solve it but bengalis immediately start giving out reasons why this problem can not be solved..

    This negative mentality has kept Bengal in dark ages for centuries now..time to wake up.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev

    What sort of argument is this?

    Unless, so and so apologizes first, there is no question of apology by Kiran Bedi or whoever. Are you putting Kiran Bedi in the same league/bracket as the people mentioned by you? Let us assume they are uncivilized, uncouth and are wrong in not apologizing – then she would be no different from them.

    This sort of logic has been used before too. Unless so and so is not brought to book, there is no question another so and so should be brought to book to deflect criticism and attention.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Manohar,
    Totally in agreement with Vinod Sharma and you here.
    @Rajeev,
    Your words on Amitabh made me smile. But on a serious note, I don’t want these people to become another Congress, just like how BJP is turning out to be. So a wrong step, however small needs to be dealt with caution.
    (I had to add another n to my earlier id, as disqus did not let me register as Vinay).

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    Anonymous Reply:

    One thing has always amused me about Amitabh Bachchan. During his heydays, he played a brave hero fighting against the rotten system but in real life I find that he is coward who goes on apologizing to thugs like Raj Thackrey and always is in the company of scamsters..first with Rajiv Bofors Gandhi and later Amar Dalal Singh and Mualyam Lootmar Singh and finally Narendra Butcher Modi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Can I ask what sort of argument is Congress making?

    Basically congress is saying that you stole peanut so you can’t question our billions of dollars of loot. Why is logic applied in a biased manner?

    If Congress or its agents want Bedi to apologize, they should start apologizing first and when they are done (which can take atleast 2 or 3 decades, Bedi will also apologize).

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    AshishC Reply:

    Rajeev/ Shenoy/ Manohar (and Vijay, even though not on this thread)
    1. What Kiran did, was wrong.
    2. However, there are degrees of wrong committed. She has merely revealed her feet of clay (her daughter’s admission case, quoted by Vinod was probably one such case too, though she probably exploited a loophole in the rules rather than create one). Her wrong, that of a private individual can only bring her down in public esteem; but it has no bearing on the issue of government/ systemic corruption on which the focus should be and the Congress’ dirty trick’s department is trying its utmost to remove the focus from.
    The strategy of Congress is to divide Anna and his “team” and they have “Swami” Agnivesh, Diggy etc working full time on it. Simple strategy- descredit the team-members, get them to voice their opinion on issues which are not even periphreal to the corruption debate and “expose” that, e.g. Bhushan is politically to the left while Kejriwal and Anna would be closer to the right- for instance on the issue of Kashmir.
    So, the equivalence pitch-
    - we stole CWG money (few thousands of crores); but see, you fudged vouchers!
    - We built a multi-storied building on defence land on the coast and gave the flats away to our near and dear ones- but see, you got your daughter’s admission on dubious grounds!
    (I can argue that Manmohan was inspired by Kiran bedi to claim residency of Assam, but that will be really mean, and even Vijay will come after me with a knife, lol)
    3. Most important: personalities espousing a cause have faults- if during the freedom struggle, we chose to focus on Gandhi’s sex life, or the fact that Subhash Bose has a mistress or that Nehru was, ahem, having a platonic relationship with Edwina Mountbatten.. would we have not got derailed.
    The issue/ cause is ALWAYS bigger than the personalities- be it Bedi, Kejriwal, Anna or Gandhi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I think I have already answered/responded to the above in another response here.

    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @AshishC
    My criticism is constructive. It is neither aimed at denigrating Kiran or condoning big time graft. So those interpreting it as a defence of the Congress are way off the mark — of course with a design.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    as usual, you are right and forthright too. The central issue of the blog has been pitting minor misdemeanor against political and financial corruption.

    If Kiran got NE quota seat for her daughter, why did the morally incorruptible MMS seek a RS seat from Assam where he doesn’t belong?

    And MMS is forbidden by the company law from seeking inspiration from any source other than the dynasty.

    It is not that the accusers of Kiran Bedi didn’t know about Anna’s “misappropriation” of Rs.2lac grant given by the Maharashtra government, which he was said to have spent on his own birth day. Remember Manish Tiwari, Vinodji’s approved co-panelist on TV debates?

    If Tiwari was right, why did he apologise to Anna?

    The thing is that all out efforts are being made, now with the active participation of the entire media, to destroy Team Anna and then say, naa rahega baans, naa bajegi baansuri!

  • Anonymous

    Its not your fault; ‘ Vinod’ literally means JOKE ! Happy Diwali for giving the ruling party a little comfort.

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Sharma, is just part of the Congress game plan to dig/manufacture dirt on all members of the Anna Team. Plain and simple.
    In case of Kiran Bedi, the funds went for charitable purposes and not in her swiss bank account.
    Does Mr Sharma, as a journalist, have even 1/1000 th of the same sensitivity and standards to judge other public figures like Rahul Gandhi ?
    No, he is busy maligning Kiran Bedi , gleefully couched in his fabricated and utterly and wilfully dishonest concern for 100% probity.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj ji,

    just imagine, what would have happened to her if she had really pocketed the money!

    In one of the earlier posts, I had narrated my personal encounter with her almost on a daily basis for over three months and I would not be exaggerating it if I say she came across as an utterly dedicated, rare kind of police officer, who wanted to address people’s problems without regard for her own comforts and convenience.

    It is really sad that today, the entire media is putting a mighty, concerted effort to destroy her. It is sadder still that many of these worthies are doing it with great glee and satisfaction.

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  • Anonymous

    Flavour of South is mising from this blog. Where are Gopi, Shoeb and Raju ?
    And havent heard from Binoy also since quite some time. I hope everything is
    ok with you guys .

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  • Anonymous

    This is what Anna says.

    http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278752

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great read…Minces no words. He should have named gang of four and some of their agents..

    Now question is, is digvijay part of gang of four or is dalal of four?

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  • Anonymous

    How many journalists have apologized for playing Dalal-Dalal as revealed by Radia tapes?

    Mr.Sharma is yet to apologize for defending congress on all corruptions and finally coming out with CD co-sponsored by Digvijay and Amar.

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  • engrich

    i dont need ur certificate.this shows ur immaturity.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dear Dr. Khan;
    I hope you are O.K. with this address. Reading you after some time. Could not understand the thrust of your argument here. No body is defending Kiran Bedi’s action. What everybody is asking for is fairness. At one end, headlines, columns and blogs are being written for a clever practice done by Kiran( ofcourse, she is expected to be not indulging in this) and on the other hand, Gigantic proportion of open loot is being underplayed, again through the use of clever words. That is the gist of all these arguments, as I understood this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The problem is that Mr.Shah Alam DNA makes him puke nonsense all the time.

    For once, he should just consider himself Indian not Indian muslim.

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @RajeevS
    Dr Khan is an Indian who happens to be a Muslim. You are a Hindu who happens to be an Indian. The syntax is meant to make you understand that your approach is defined by what you front-load and back-load in terms your religion and nationality.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vinod ji,
    Haven’t been in touch with you since long. Great to hear from you! Loved your “front load” “back load” comments. The problem (?not really) is that Muslims don’t consider me Muslim enough and for Hindus I am a Muslim. So the safest bet in this catch 22 situation is to consider yourself an Indian…….so I am more Indian by choice than by Chance…..and definitely more Indian than some of the others who have already given up their Indian identity for a cosy nest in the UK and USA…..not that they aren’t Indian but surely I have an edge….at least so I think ;-)
    By the way, please let me know what does the gentleman above mean by “Mr. Shah Alam DNA”…..really cannot decipher whats DNA?
    Truly
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    You wrote
    “No body is defending Kiran Bedi’s action”

    You are wrong.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Really speaking, I do not read all posts. exceptions are few and farbetween and you are one of them. It is my pleasure and instruction too. Please let me know, who is defending Kiran’s action and I would like to read him. I am constantly saying that what Kiran did was not correct. The hullabaloo being created on this affair is not justified. This is all I am saying

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    They are indeed defending her, if not directly, then implicitly by saying so and so (we know is the target) also did wrong and not apologize, etc. One needs to read between the lines too.

    That is a matter of perception whether it is a hullabaloo or not, depending upon which side one belongs to. All it has been suggested that she erred and should have made amends say by apologizing, which IMO would have only added to her stature. The near hysterical reaction to defend her on this blog is totally uncalled for, but not surprising since one more of their “heroes/heroines” too has been found with feet of clay.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Thanks for the comments. Yup, you are fine with the address, but I prefer Shah more than the doctor bit!! Well, I clearly understand that everybody “wants” to look like asking for fairness but honestly are they asking for fairness on all grounds and from all people? Or are they looking for fairness when the rules are applied to them? Read the posts again and see if they are not defending Ms. Bedi……..even a blind man can see the kind of support she musters amongst some from this blog! Very honestly I can understand all the fairness in demand from this group…..but that doesn’t give them the right to overlook corruption in a manner which suites them. Probably I have used this analogy on this blog before- corruption is like pregnancy, either you are or you are not (incl supporters)….there is nothing like “less pregnant”.
    For me individuals are unimportant and we shouldn’t fall into a practice of idol worship (particularly in a nation where we are in short supply of “idols”). What is vital is to stick to issues which affect the poor, the marginalized and the underprivileged. I cannot forgive the UPA for its unrelenting anti-poor economic policies but unfortunately even the “righteous” BJP doesn’t raise this issue in an effective manner.
    I hope you see some light in my argument now.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    PS: I look forward meeting you at the Institute whenever you are there.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Vinoo

    I always thought CA’s were guys who coul make 2+2= 5 if they liked you… and could make 2+2=1, if they did’nt.

    I think something of that sort has happened to Kiran. The government has set the CBI onto her. But don’t write her of.

    The goodwill she has gathered over 3 decades thru genuine work could well work out to be more than that of Amul baby, Mummy and Digviansh combined…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    My CA can make 2+2= 22 when it comes to his fee !

    Yes, I think Kiran can be held guilty for a procedural lapse.

    However if she can show that the money she recieved was used for the needy by her NGO… her accusers should apologise.

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  • Anonymous

    Never argue LIKE A FOOL, for you will be stripped bare and paraded

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  • engrich

    ghandhi always called hitler as his friend.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hitler always called Mohammad his IDOL…WHat do you say about that?

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    engrich Reply:

    this is not true.give reference.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Hitler killed millions..who before hitler did same thing? Mohammad…

    engrich Reply:

    bullshit and wrong.dont argue any more.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Wahabist have their own version of history. They are ruling minds of dalit muslims like you.

  • Anonymous

    Why didn’t you move to Libya when Gaddafi was alive?

    According to you, people thrashed Gaddafi and finally killed them because he did not allow them to pay utility bills.

    No wonder Ravi calls you genius.

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    engrich Reply:

    our mahatama was killed by a chitpavan like street dog.they also distributed sweets all over india for this great act of bravery.this practice is continued even now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Your Mahatma..Do you mean Mohammad? He was killed by a women of his own tribe..Brahmins have nothing to do with that.

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    engrich Reply:

    we dont call our prophet as mahatama.he was not killed by women of his tribe.correct ur information.

    Anonymous Reply:

    For outsiders like us Mohammad is your Mahatma who was killed by a women who was harrassed by him earlier.

    engrich Reply:

    mahatama means mahatama ghandhi

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  • Anonymous

    Sorry, I can’t agree with you on this.

    You are being too technical forgetting that the real motive is to put Bedi on defensive and make Jan Lokpal debate a side issue.

    The congressmen have a very different wavelength when it comes to Corruption. They think whatever they do is correct and they prove it by discrediting other. I am using same kind of defensive technique.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am not taking sides here.

    When Kejriwal & Co indulged in name calling – Bedi’s nauTanki was case in point – you had no problem and in fact welcomed it. When the other side hits back (rightly or wrongly) you have a problem.

    Double standards, anyone?

    If they are trying to put Bedi on the defensive and if they succeed, do not blame others?

    As I have said some blogs before (re:Karan Thapar and Modi) – a person of conviction will stand his/her ground no matter what the provocation is.

    I do not know whether you are aware of it or not – the Jan Lokpal draft bill excludes NGOs from the ambit of the Lokpal, but want practically everyone else to be included.
    Need one say anything more?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    the bid to include NGOs under the purview of Lokpal is a classic case of obfuscation.
    Lokpal is supposed to look at constitutional bodies and government agencies. Now, this chorus of adding corporates, NGOs etc within its purview is nothing but an attempt to ensure that the focus gets diluted by scope enlargement.
    Why not private individuals like you and me, then?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    And who are the ace negotiators on the joint drafting panel from the government side?

    Kapil Zero loss Sibal and partner of Raja in the telecom scam, Chidambaram. Can you see the pattern that has emerged now? Can you also see the ease with which the entire media has returned to boot-licking?

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    the effects 60 years of patronage peddling will take as many years to go away.

    AshishC Reply:

    Shenoy,
    the effects 60 years of patronage peddling will take as many years to go away.

    Anonymous Reply:

    That is why I have always maintained that the Jan Lokpal bill was a flawed one to begin with.

    I missed in stating that inclusion of NGOs under the Lokpal, which get Government funding.

  • Anonymous

    There was a case against Digvijay regarding his involvement in Shopping Mall scam. Has he apologized for the loot?

    He said now that RSS is defending Bedi, Anna is proxy of RSS…By same logic, Digvijay defended Azamgarh terrorists, Maoists and the Kasab & Co., does that mean Digvijay is proxy of terrorists?

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  • engrich

    to some extent it is right.

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  • Anonymous

    Let us play inference-inference Congress and its media style-
    1. Digvijay’s father was Hindu Mahasabha member.
    2. Digvijay’s brother Laxman Singh was BJP member till last year.

    So can we infer that Digvijay has ties to Sangh Parivar.

    This game seems to be very logical and interesting.

    Vinod Sharma accepts everything coming from Digvijay Singh even the CD. As Digvijay is connected to RSS, Vinod Sharma too is Sanghi that makes HT Sanghi.

    Digvijay Considers Rahul and Sonia his leaders and as Diggi is Sanghi so are Rahul and Sonia Sanghi which in turns makes Congress Sanghi.

    Congress had relations with Saddam..so Saddam is Sanghi..

    Wow!!! I have a totally different worldview now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The Saudis ( Sunnis ) were close to sunni Sadaam. The Saudis are Sanghis too.

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  • Anonymous

    Dr, Khan

    Many of the bloggers (and we know who) have very simple rules to deal with inconvenient questions and issues.

    1) My enemy’s enemy is my friend and has to be defended at all costs. Similarly my enemy’s friend (considered to be biggest crime on the planet) is my enemy and is to be rubbished with all the force and sent to the cleaners.

    2) To defend the indefensible, they point out misdeeds of others, as they are doing it here. The classic case going on for ages is Modi – to “justify” 2002, they always cite 1984. It never occurs to them that both were wrong and two wrongs do not make them right. It also never occurs to them that by linking 1984 with 2002 confirms the fact 2002 was wrong too, Logic is never their strong point.

    3) Obfuscate the issue – post irrelevant questions and links.

    4) Attempt to cover up a misdeed (of their own side) by highlighting the “good work” done by them. Again Modi is the prime example, because of his supposedly great work(!) as development genius and clean & efficient administrator, they want to whitewash 2002.

    They will condemn (as I do too) Rajiv Gandhi for not doing enough to prevent 1984, but ask them to condemn Modi for failure to prevent 2002, there is a thundering silence.

    5) Try and shoot the messenger is another tactic – question his/her motives, character assassinate him/her, use abusive language, etc.

    You are right about dishonesty, but to these bloggers the only dishonest people are their objects of hate – their own heroes and thier side are supposed to be squeaky clean and cannot do any wrong. Talk about double standards and doublespeak.

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  • Dr Mishra

    SORRY, BEDI AFFAIR IS MINISCULE”””””””””””’

    so I apologise at this digression, but on Zia’s blog on Modi and ‘the cap’, I posted the following comment-
    ‘ Jaffer, nice sentiment by a muslim- If Zakir Naik says do not accept prasad, then Modi has every right to refuse the skull cap. But I think, Jaffer, that we need to ascribe to a higher plane than that- one of harmony, love and co-existence.
    Z Naik is a bit of an idiot, what with his disgusting views on apostacy etc. But I expect higher standards from my leaders. Double digit growth is one thing but building bridges is a long term investment worth quadruple digits. I, an Indian, a hindu, am deeply disappointed that Modi did not wear the cap.

    If Gujrati muslims had taken such a big step and come forward in such large numbers on the fast, then he should have reciprocated. The souls of 59 passengers and Ehsaan Jaffrey would have rested in peace. ‘

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  • Anil

    Bedi was not personally benefited. So what is the crime anyway – at best it can be a mistake.
    Compare this with robbery in braod day light, in Indian parliament (cash for vote) of Congress men and women.

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  • Anonymous

    @Dr Mishra,
    Modi and his spokeman have clearly clarified , including producing the person before the press who as per congress had allegedly offered the cap, that no cap was offered to Modi so the question of decling a cap, does not arise.

    This is just more congress-media manufactured trivial bakwaas.

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  • Anonymous

    @engrich, Gaddafi did lot of good , but at the end he was a DICTATOR and MAD.
    health service is not good , i know a lady from calcutta who went to Libya as a NGO ,died of minor illness due to lack of treatment. In fact shown in TV here in UK ,the people of libya complaining that Gaddafi family if they need treatment they go to abroad(a bit like India) , but for local people the treatment is threadbare.
    BOTTOM LINE IS HE COULD NOT MODERNISE THE MIND, stuck in the rut called Islam. Same happening in Tunisia , the party most likely to win is going to implement SHARIA. No wonder ARABS GET KICKED AROUND LIKE STRAY DOGS BY THE WESTERN POWER.
    At the end of the day KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND KNOWLEDGE IS RATIONAL AND SECULAR AND NOT SUBSERVIENT TO KORAN OR HADITH OR GITA OR BIBLE.
    WHICH MEANS TOTAL FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION
    Therefore Autocracy will be replaced by Theocracy, like IRAN

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rightly spoken.

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  • Ramesh Talwani

    CREDIBILITY OF HINDUSTAN TIMES OR CONGRESS TIMES IS ALL TIME LOW.
    VINOD SHARMA HAD NEVER BEEN KNOWN TO HAVE WRITTEN INDEPENDENT
    VIEWS.
    I WONDER ABOUT FATE OF NATION WITH SUCH PAPERS OR JOURNALISTS.
    VINOD JI DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO PEEP INTO PAST OF ONE CONGRESS TOP POLITICIAN FOR CHANGE.HAVE YOUR OWN CHOOSING.
    PL WRITE SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE EVERYONE PROUD OF YOU.
    LEARN TO SWIM AGAINST CURRENT.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.

    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    Citing the Tamil Nadu connection of all those who are facing the music from CBI, Swamy hinted at Sonia, too, getting into trouble. “It is better the jail authorities in Tihar be ready to make pizzas and spaghetti,” he said taking a dig at her Italian origin.

    The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
    “It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    The 2G spectrum licences, which were sold at a throwaway price, were later sold by the allottees for prices eight to 13 times the cost they bought it. The country lost revenue of about Rs1.76 lakh crore.
    “It is not just about money, the scam has put the country’s security and economy at great risk,” he said.

    One of the companies had links with global terrorist Dawood Ibrahim who is hiding in Pakistan and another company had close association with the Chinese army.

    “The allotment has put India’s security at great risk as in the event of a war, Indian military communications could be jammed,” he said.

    The hawala racket is being used to route the bribe to foreign bank accounts and most of the hawala agents have Pakistani connection. The huge money is then being brought back for investing in the country’s stock market. Swamy cited the frequent upheavals in stock market to this hawala influence.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • http://twitter.com/sureshb65 shanmugham balaji

    IF UPA ALSO RETURN 60000 CRORE, KIRAN BEDI WILL SAY SORRY. Terming former Union telecom minister A Raja as a small fry in the big scam, Swamy said Chidambaram is the mastermind who guided Raja through the 2G spectrum allocation deal.
    Describing the Rs1.76 lakh crore scam as the biggest in the world, he put the amount that was paid as bribes to key players in the scam at Rs60,000 crore.
    “Poor Raja got just Rs5,000 crore, Chidambaram got a pocket money of Rs5,000 crore, former chief minister of Tamil Nadu M Karunanidhi was paid Rs14,000 crore and UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi got a whopping Rs36,000 crore,” he said.

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  • Anonymous

    I wish we Indians too are as creative and bold as these pakistanis.

    Satire at its best ‘Mei maa ne banay aloo anday’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEpnwCPgH7g&feature=player_embedded#!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Venkatarama-Muthuswami/1223048715 Venkatarama Muthuswami

    Having seen Kiran’s life works in the Bharat sarkar service and outside, incl. a short assignment with UN, I wish such a slip or oversight could have been easily avoided. Knowing human frailities, many of the world class orgns incl INGOs have developed systems (transparent & fair) to handle such travel and admin issues in a just and reasonable fashion. For instance: UN agencies calculate and offer one lump sum to many a official travel assignment that saves time, resources and needless bureaucracy.

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  • Anonymous

    Prahlad

    “Team Anna is quite balanced”.

    I liked that.

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  • AshishC

    While I will be the first to decry the methods used by Kiran Bedi in adding to the coffers of the NGO she runs, I will maintain that it has nothing to do with the cause.
    The issue is not whether Kiran Bedi did wrong or not (IMO, she did), but the issue is corruption in government and it does not matter to me if some of the leading lights of the movement have feet of clay.
    Focusing on Bedi’s fudge is classic diversionary tactics- we can expect no better from Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Granted the dirty-works-department of the Congress is at work. Also, agree that the shenanigans in Bedi’s NGO has nothing to with the cause.

    If one has feet of clay or not (it is not important), one should not go around preaching and accusing others of misdeeds (there ar eno pure and white cows around), just fight for the cause. That is where Kejriwal & Co. erred(*) or should I say made an Himalayan blunder- in attempting to have their way and score brownie points – they started targeting individuals, questioning their motives and commitment, character assassinate them (not surprising the same keeps happening here on this blog day in and day out) – Bedi’s nauTanki is an example. As I keep saying concentrate on issues and do not shoot the messenger. As it happens, the other side is not going to take things lying down – they will retaliate, that is human nature.

    * No wonder, the movement seems to be tottering with fisticuffs among the protagonists (ex and present) of this movement, with accusations and counter accusations flying around thick and fast. More dirt will be dug out as we go along. They may end up with near zero credibility, then what? Next time they take up another cause – people will say, oh no, not these people again.

    Recall, during the independence movement, no individuals were targeted by Gandhiji and others – like so and so officer is this and that, he should go or he should do this and that or else – the focus was to get them to leave. The result we got our independence with much goodwill and friendship between us and the British as a bonus. Kejriwal & Co, have lot to learn in sustaining movements.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Granted the dirty-works-department of the Congress is at work. Also, agree that the shenanigans in Bedi’s NGO has nothing to with the cause.

    If one has feet of clay or not (it is not important), one should not go around preaching and accusing others of misdeeds (there ar eno pure and white cows around), just fight for the cause. That is where Kejriwal & Co. erred(*) or should I say made an Himalayan blunder- in attempting to have their way and score brownie points – they started targeting individuals, questioning their motives and commitment, character assassinate them (not surprising the same keeps happening here on this blog day in and day out) – Bedi’s nauTanki is an example. As I keep saying concentrate on issues and do not shoot the messenger. As it happens, the other side is not going to take things lying down – they will retaliate, that is human nature.

    * No wonder, the movement seems to be tottering with fisticuffs among the protagonists (ex and present) of this movement, with accusations and counter accusations flying around thick and fast. More dirt will be dug out as we go along. They may end up with near zero credibility, then what? Next time they take up another cause – people will say, oh no, not these people again.

    Recall, during the independence movement, no individuals were targeted by Gandhiji and others – like so and so officer is this and that, he should go or he should do this and that or else – the focus was to get them to leave. The result we got our independence with much goodwill and friendship between us and the British as a bonus. Kejriwal & Co, have lot to learn in sustaining movements.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think all … almost all Indians fudge a bit in their office expense statements. Or use saving tax.

    Kiran is not an employee. In case she is bold enough she can clearly say that she always told her clients that her fee would be first class fare– as it is with many MNC companies– and she could choose her means of transport– then she would have been saved the embarresment.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    some “debaters” here have ***** sense of history. The great debater says that during the freedom movement no individual was targeted by Gandhiji. Will you kindly recall, for the benefit of this man with histrionics the treatment meted out to Subhash Chandra Bose, who was personally hounded out of the presidentship of the congress by the Bapu?

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  • AshishC

    Wrong is wrong.. I agree.
    But, there are degrees. A traffic violator does not hang; a murderer does, if convicted.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    which is why Kiran Bedi has said, “hang some of us, if that is what you want”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    I know there are degrees.

    What Bedi did was inappropriate. No one is demanding an apology (it is her call) and no one is going to hang her from the nearest tree. The problem is that she has become one of the faces of the fight against corruption and K & Co. has been all too righteous about moral and fiscal behaviour. All that has been suggested that an apology would have done world of good for her own image. Apology kills no one. One should learn the power and the benefits of an apology from the Japanese.

    I had asked a question to Vinoo. Why the money is being returned by the travel agent? As it turns out, he also happens to be a trustee of the NGO – there must nothing to it – but people (detractors) are bound raise questions. I have got no answer as yet.

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    AshishC Reply:

    I care a tinker’s cuss whether Kiran Bedi apologises or not and thereby redeems her image or not… my post was not about that. I could not care less if she is prosecuted and goes to jail.
    The problem is that she has become…
    The fight remains. And I don’t see the problem- only committed Congress apparatchiks do.
    And, why Japanese? I thought we have Manish Tiwari closer home to teach us about the virtues of an apology?

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  • Anonymous

    Dr.Mishra,

    your post brought a big smile on my face. The story about the beard-tweaking Kabul Khan and the Chinese emperor is perennial.

    As for me, I am totally non-violent. Even when Vinodji called my Muslim workers bonded labour, I didn’t retaliate.

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  • Anonymous

    Shaaqn Nirad Babu,

    now please also tell us about the multi-billion rupee fraud called NREGA spearheaded by Karuna Roy.

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  • Anonymous

    Rajeev,

    as you have seen this super debater debating,

    it is either “you don’t get it” or “your mind is incapable of absorbing his great debating points” and then “you have lost it”.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ VINOD JI ASK THE CONGRESS AND AMUL BABY TO SAY SORRY
    ABOUT BOFORS CHORIS, GHOOS RISHWAT ~~~
    ==============================================================

    First of all Kiran bedi did NOT rake kickbacks or ghoos or rishwat. That Rajiv Gandhi, Amar Singh Dhala and Raja did While Digvinash SIngh batted for the LeT…

    They need to say sorry. Not Kiran

    In fact Rajiv’s descendents should return the Bofors kisckbacks to the poor and Dalits of India, from whom the money was stolen…

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  • Anonymous

    Dr Khan

    I think you have pitched your tent with a tean who would never NEVER want corruption to go from India…

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @vijay_kumar
    If you set high standards for others, you better start the charity from home. May I ask where you tent is pitched vis-a-vis this adage.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mr Sharma and Dr Khan

    A good balm for corrupt officers in th government and corrupt businessmen would be by saying… “You guys can keep theiving… we have announced that one day God will re-appear on earth… only then you should leave corruption…. till then we will destroy anyone who tries to tackle corruption… “

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vijay ji,
    A bit disappointed at this remark from your end…because I thought I explained my reasons of why I do not support Team Clowns and why this should not go down as a message that I am corrupt or a Congressi.
    Anyway, now that you have concluded, I am very happy to be on this side of the divide……My friend try to cross this line once and you will feel free, democratic, honest and refreshed.
    May be I can explain myself better with these couplets:
    Meri zubaan se meri daastan suno to sahi, yaqin karo na karo meherban, suno to sahi
    Chalo ye maan liya mujri-e-mohabat hain, humarey jurm ka humse bayan suno to sahi
    Banogey dost merey tum bhi dushmanon ek din, meri hayaat ki aah-ho-fuga suno to sahi
    Labon ko see k jo bethey hain bazm-e-duniya mein, kabhi to uun ki bhi khamoshiyan suno to sahi

    Have a good day….and may you wake up with a dream in your eyes.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Shah Alam

    I am sorry if I disappointed you. But I am sick and tired of the corruption in this country and know that any genuine effort to cure the ill will always be torpedoed by vested interests.

    A right vs left, a Congress vs BJP, a China vs US, a MNC vs desi– all those debates would be created.

    Meanwhile I see my employees– especially poorer one– being harassed for money, by the ration card office, by the police, by the elctircity department etc etc.

    While we the educated wouold always end up debating and torpedoing…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    “My friend try to cross this line once and you will feel free, democratic, honest and refreshed.”

    It is an invitation to join the ranks of honest, free and democratic people, which include Amar Singh, Digvinash Singh, Vinod Sharma (the fake CD episode was all the work of Anna’s gang of clowns you know!), the Amul Baby, Kapil Siibal of the zero loss fame, Barkha Dutt, Nira Radia etc.

    Vijay Kumar, my friend, don’t accept the invitation, however tempting it may look.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Vijay ji,
    Who is not sick of corruption in this country. Unfortunately we are sick of corruption which is inconvenient to us…it doesn’t matter when moral corruption plagues the wretched of the land. For me Cong is as bad as the BJP, left as wrong as the right. What I can’t figure is how can you fight corruption the Ana shtyle when we know that there is more than eye can see. In fact the two of us are arguing since weeks now but neither is convinced of the other’s preposition. Imagine this when we are on same page in tackling corruption! The dichotomy in the Indian society is too deep for an Anna to unite on a platform which itself is so shaky. Let me make it very clear that I went to Jantar Mantar in April to see for the agitation myself, with an open mind and hope…but alas the disappointment was killing!…….Finally look at the remarks below (by the same gentleman who calls me communal and corrupt), he concludes that I team up with crooks like Amar Singh…the la George W Bush, either you are with us or you are against! If this is democratic way of protest, I would rather be on the other side of the divide…..even with an eminent danger of being labelled a corrupt traitor.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

  • AshishC

    her well wishers :) (oh, how I miss the smiley faces!)

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  • Anonymous

    Mr Vinod Sharma admits that “ The money so accrued went to her NGO and was used for visiting voluntary organizations incapable of picking up her travel expenses.”
    So either she is lying or admittedly there has been no wrong doing on her part . So why should an apology be sought from her. If it is being asked with other motives…to muddy the waters … to question her bona-fides to participate in the Janlokpal movement …to sully her reputation for challenging the corrupt Govt of the day …that many of us believe to be … then it is sad .

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Praveen Saxenaji,

    You have to see the vicious of the attacks by the media to believe it.
    The unity of the anti-anti corruption movement forces too is as swift and strong as Anna’s movement two months ago.
    Why has the media turned, wholesale, against Anna’s team members?
    Remember Manish Tiwari? He called Anna corrupt from head to toe. The media hounded him, an otherwise darling, to such an extent, that he had to apologise for hurling abuses at Anna. Was there evidence of Anna’s profligacy with public funds? Yes, according to Tiwari and the commission of inquiry. So why was Anna not crucified? Was his kind of corruption, which was allegedly committed to celebrate his own birthday, different from Kiran Bedi’s alleged corruption which was to help destitute children get education?

    I feel, the media is suffering from pangs of guilty conscience for having humiliated and exposed the UPA and its leders in the various scams. It should be seen as the media’a way of saying to the congress party, “we are sorry, we are now atoning for our sins”.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab
    Mr Vinod says that and Apology can add to Kiran Bedi’s stature….We say that an apology to the country could have added to the stature of Sonia Gandhi when she falsely claimed that she had maority support to form government. An admission of the money stashed abroad in Swiss Banks by the Congress bigwigs could add to the credibility of that party.An apology by the PM of India for closing his eyes to the loot of public money could dd to his credibility..and the list can go on and last but the least an admission of wrong stories done by media could add to its credibility.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    The prime minister of India can also, for once, apologise to the nation for falsely claiming that he is a bonafide resident of Guwahati and entered the Rajyasabha on a false declaration of residence.

  • Anonymous

    Kiran Bedi overcharged us for travel, says NGO

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article2568506.ece

    On how many fronts is she going to fight her battles? Wouldn’t her fight against corruption would take a back seat?

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    AshishC Reply:

    Is Kiran Bedi all there is to the movement?
    Incidentally, the Sarkari Swamiji was in full flow last night on TV- raking up a controversy, demanding upto the minute accounts for PCRF, Ramlia expenses and what have you.
    Digvijay would be so proud…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Where is the problem? People demanding honesty and transparency from others should also be prepared to divulge their side of honesty and transparency. Just because they are fighting for some “noble” cause does not exclude them from public scrutiny.

    It is for Kiran Bedi alone to salvage her reputation. Never mind what others (including Digvijay Singh) say, one should ignore them.

    I agree the trials and tribulations of Kiran Bedi have nothing to do with the movement, per se. But the protagonists are getting into all sorts of tangles and that is not good for the movement.

    The latest is Anand Bal (the travel agent) has quit as a trustee of the NGO, claiming his reputation has been tarred.

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    AshishC Reply:

    I never suggested that they are exempt.
    There is a difference between scrutiny and innuendo.
    Before Agnivesh was outed as a mole he had no issues with anything or anyone in Anna’s team.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Interesting.

    I may be wrong, some of the members who have left may have found out that the state of affairs was not what they were supposed to be or not the way they should be conducted, for example – getting political by targeting X in the recent by-elections. I am sure that was never revealed to the people, who left, in the beginning or was not part of the initial agenda.

    Innuendos. What has K & Co. been doing all these months. If they do it, it seems it is OK with you.

  • Vinod Sharma

    @vijay_kumar
    I don’t consider Kiran to be corrupt. But answer this: the rebate gallantry award winners get for air-tickets is revenue a grateful nation does not deliberately earn to honour them. Now is it proper if that difference is earned by an ngo for whatever reasons. Is it not tax-payers money being siphoned to an entity that isn’t entitled to earn it. That’s where the rub lies and that’s where Kiran should have said sorry.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    NREGA payments to rural unemployed too is a way of the nation showing “we care for you”, but the record is abysmal; most of the payments or significant portions of the payments go to the village netas, officials and bank staff. There is only now some stirring in government circles to wake up to the enormous fraud.

    The question is :IS anybody showing any kind of action to stop the leak? No. we are still tom-tomming that NREGA is Sonia Gandhi’s gift to the nation.

    Why then such huge outcry against some minor misdemeanor by an individual, which doesn’t even rank as corruption?

    Why are all the media leaders crying foul, when the Radia tapes are still fresh in the minds of the people?

    Why this holier-than-thou shooting from the hip?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vinod Sharma

    You dont consider Kiran to be corrupt. You also concede that she used the money to finance visits to poorer NGO’s.

    So why tar her with the same brush of corruption like Rajiv Gandhi, Amar Singh, Raja…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You have not answered Vinod’s question of tax payers’ money being siphoned to her NGO.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    The whole thing is being twisted to a mega amplifier. The money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor.

    Why is tax payers money used for z category security for the Yuvraj???

    Even when he goes motor cycle racing on a private track created on famers land by Vadra and the DLF scions…

    That is misuse of tax payers money. Am waiting for your answer Manohar….

  • Vinod Sharma

    @RajeevS
    Did I demand an apology from her? Sorry, no. I now have serious doubts about your abillity to comprehend plain english.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    No Sir, you haven’t demanded an apology from Kiran Bedi, but the import of your article is:Better apologise, or else……..

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  • Vinod Sharma

    @This Rajiv with three iii is really an i-sore. :) )

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  • Anonymous

    Naastik Karuna Nidhi called on a real flesh-and-blood goddess to get favours for his daughter, Kani Mozhi.

    His aastik wife, Raajaathi Ammal, went to to the temple of a real goddess to pray for the same Kani Mozhi.

    The flesh-and-blood goddess told him: I have ordered the CBI to demand the immediate release of Kani Mozhi. I couldn’t talk to the judge because there is some net-working problem. She would be home for deepawali.

    The spiritual goddess assured the mother: Let your daughter celebrate diwali in the company of fellow Thiharians, she will get her freedom on 3rd November.

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  • Anonymous

    Well said.

    Telling this to her supporters and fans is like pouring water on a duck’s back.
    They are defending her with all the “resources” at their command.

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  • Anonymous

    RAJEEV, u made me furious. Pl u aplogise to Dr Shah Alam straightaway, calling him muslim cos u disagree with his views is outrageous. There are few ppl here with very rich life experiences like Mishraji, Gopi and Ashish who are driven away by ugliness on blog.

    Dr Shah Alam whose posts I normally like has made trrrible diagnosis this time. Dr saheb, pl u answer , is headache same as neural cancer? Hint, u equate ! Rupee theft with trillion in zurich. Pl let us get trillion bak dr shah, then u and I will go after kiran with sottee, u may spank her as u seem to hate her so much.
    I say sorry to u on behalf of rajeev

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr shah, there is favorite word in England, PRIORITISE, it is used by everyone from doctors to politicians to businessmen. When nation unites and marches like army to rid and cleanse India of one of biggest evils, then we PRIORITISE our resources. We go after big fish sirji, we should be intelligent to overlook minor volations for now.

    I find you are bone doctor at AIIMS. Good. You are marching to operating theatre to remove gangrenous limb, and some idiot keeps diverting and distracting u with demand to treat patients acne first. Do u understand now doctor, what anti Anna attacks are doing? PRIORITISE, DOCTOR SAHEB, THERE IS A DHARAM YUDH ON, ATTACK THE GANGRENE

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    I think you are right! Dr Sahab is a good soul… but he would only want a corruption fighter who fits into his prescription….

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Balwinder ji,
    Thanks for the gracious apology you requested on behalf of someone else. Sir, with the ideology I follow it is pretty frequent to be called what the gentleman in question has said, so I am pretty use to it and have no ill feelings…..except may be being a little sympathetic for his ignorance.
    Coming back to the main argument, whether my diagnosis is wrong or right is something history will tell. I am very clear in my understanding of this movement (if we can call it a movement!). First and foremost I do not consider this or any other damn movement as a “dharam yudh”. By giving it a divine halo we only change the packaging to make it more palatable. The analogy may be akin to the Talibanis who in their sense of world are fighting a “jihad” and honestly Balwinder ji a jihad is a dharam yudh as well…..so I do not warrant this classification to be used on a random term…its simply dangerous. Those who use use it in common vocabulary have a specific agenda.
    Since last couple of weeks I have been explaining on this blog the reasons why I do not support this team of clowns and if you go through my strings you can have a feel of what I mean and why.
    A part of my training in Orthopaedics was in the UK and I clearly understand your analogy of prioritize but unfortunately you have missed the main message of prioritize……”if you have too many things to do, then prioritize!”. For a country like India, I would rather prioritize hunger, illiteracy, poverty, casteism, religious intolerance, health, infrastructure development, adivasi upliftment, mainstream inclusion of the underpriviledged, economic equipoise,……………believe me Balwinder ji as a true Indian, Anna and team clown come last in my priorities.
    Hope you understand me better now.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Khan

    As usual, you have hit the nail on the head. Kudos.

    AshishC Reply:

    Whose head did he hit the nail on? Oh, okay; those who stop coming to the blog from tomorrow, I guess!

    I would rather prioritize hunger, illiteracy, poverty, casteism, religious intolerance, health, infrastructure development, adivasi upliftment, mainstream inclusion of the underpriviledged, economic equipoise,…
    What a large list of “priorities!!

    And, doctor Khan insists corruption is not even an issue that needs prioritization.
    And, of course he thinks all these issues are independent of each other- adivasi upliftment has no link to illiteracy and poverty nor would it need health, infrastructure…. just an example of the rather simple way his mind works.
    I would not even bother pointing out obviously hunger and poverty and illiteracy are inter-related. That would be cruel.
    And, of course trying to point out the corruption is sucking the very vitals of all government schemes to tackle those items that he has “prioritized” would be simply too much.

    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks for the comments Ashish sahib. Unfortunately you too make a statement without understanding the core issues which I try to enumerate. How did you imagine that as per my list, corruption is not to be prioritized? Wrong. It has to be prioritised but not the Anna way….surely not! As for your remarks on inter-relationship between hunger and poverty, who can deny this but Sir probably (at least from my understanding) we are coming to a point where we need to stop people from dying of hunger and disease without giving a priority to make them literate or reasonably well off/above the poverty line…hope you understand. I say so after seeing the absolutely wretched conditions of human survival in the interiors of the country. I presume you are a learned man and if you have a chance do grab a copy of Sainath’s book called Everybody Loves a Good Drought. It depicts to an extent the priorities I was talking about.
    You are correct corruption sucks money out of upliftment schemes and that surely is a worry but to blame it only would be a foolish preposition. Governmental schemes do not work not only because of corruption but because of a lack of administrative will. What can you expect from a government which prioritises nuclear explosion over school education, or for that matter economic policies which benefit the classes at the cost of masses?
    For me Anna and his team of clowns do not represent a revolution of hope; its a heterogeneous group of people with personal agenda. It would be a sine to prioritise them on a list which is far too gory and wretched than their white kurtas and luxury sedans.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Who says corruption is not even an issue? If you have got that impression, then you need to rethink.

    As the doctor has already replied, I need not add anything more, except that the K & Co. way is not the way to fight corruption. I am sure that you can recall my posts during the last several months, wherein I have always advocated that we have to find prevent corruption and not play robbers & police later by another body such as Lokpal – strengthening the existing institutions and authorities, make changes in the system.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    when you know for sure you cannot tackle even a single issue, you can call a whole lot of issues as PRIORITY. It is actually a joke.

    Actually, after nearly fifty years of congress rule, all these so called priorities are becoming worse by the year.

    Khan may be of the opinion that corruption is not an issue, because he might be one of its beneficiaries. which, perhaps is why he is opposing the fight against it with such vehemence.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balle..Balle..Tara rarara…oye haddipa..piyo lassi..aur mouja hi mouja..

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  • Anonymous

    @D i c k head sandhu , headache is one of the first symptom of Brain Tumour.Keep to your Kabuterbazi. The point is 100 lokpal will not be able to eradicate corruption.
    Shouting corruption corruption is one thing PROVING IN A COURT OF LAW IS OTHER. Just like Tony Blair and MI5 defended their misadventure by calling it a “oversight” or “acted on the basis on best available information” etc.
    similarly this SCAM had its seeds sown right at its inception. It has 100% to do with FAKE/PSEUDO (like ball sandhu) patriotism.NOT A SINGLE INDIAN COMPANY HAD ANY TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, YET THEY WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO BID.
    This kind of false patriotism is what Tagore warned his countrymen against.See satyajitray’s film HOME AND THE WORLD.If GOI let all foreign cos bid in the first place NO SUCH SCAM WOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE.These indian cos were JUST BUYING THE LICENSE , then to be sold on to the foreign cos.Just like SKYTATA, what is TATA’s contribution technically NIL. might well be only SKY.
    Like it used to be KALYANI SHARP, what a joke.

    FAR MORE IMPORTANT READ ON
    There was a programme in newsnight , BBC2 , how Massive global food shortage is prompting Venture captalist from london to invest in farming in Zambia.
    They have bought130000acre single plot(yes you are reading it correct) farm.
    THIS IS INDUSTRIAL FARMING AND ECONOMY OF SCALE
    The BENEFIT , PRODUCTION OF CORN WILL BE INCREASED THIRTY TIMES(Again you are reading it correct).
    This is what INDIA NEEDS NOT KIRAN BEDI’S NAUTANKI IN RAMLILA MAIDAN.
    ALSO OUR PM PM MMS may be an average economist , HE IS NO INTELLECTUAL GIANT AND HE SHOULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS SCAM

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ WHY the CONFRONTATION with KIRAN MAY TOPPLE THE CONGRESS~~~
    ==============================================================

    Using a sold out media the congress may be celeberating smugly that it has managed to tar all who opposed it.

    Fact is, it has lost a lot of credibility and probably will lose 2014

    However taking on Kiran is a different ballgame all together.

    She is gutsy and knows the law. She has all the contacts in the police who will give her details of Congressi crimes….

    And the fun would begin…

    Maybe Rahul Baba and Pranab should become PM fast. 2014… bbharat ki janata ka hai… dynasts aur sycophants ka nahin…

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  • Anonymous

    Bappam,

    elsewhere I have written about my personal meetings with her and also my opinion of her. And I entirely agree with you that the police department is the most corrupt among all government departments. Therefore, her service in the department should speak for her for its selflessness, incorruptibility and honesty.

    I have read some of your recent posts in HT. You should visit this blog too often and share your views with the rest of us regulars.

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  • Anonymous

    Normally I like to respect doctors but DR SHAN hiding under new ID Cingulate is an exception. You cockroach did u read what I wrote, headache is not same as brain tumour. One billion ppl will get a headache once a year, maybe a few may have brsin tumors.
    Dont know why I argue, ishwar and many others has slready called u asssswipe, pl fade away most ridiculed specimen on blog

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  • Anonymous

    British Sen,

    can’t you please see the difference in the issues involved?
    Vinod Sharma hasn’t accused Kiran Bedi of corruption,,but Kiran Bedi is fighting the politicians on the issue of anti-corruption bill jan lokpal.
    What she has done can at best be described as indiscretion or misdemeanor of a minor nature. Do you think both are same because now the corrupt politicians are getting hand-clasp from the media?

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  • engrich

    shan,ravi mohan_t good and revealing article on libya,

    .

    http://dondebar.blogspot.com/2011/09/libya-and-big-lie-using-human-rights.html

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  • Anonymous

    That is a revelation.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Shenoy

    I think we will see a fight to the end. And it could be the end of the Congress 2014… and Digvinash’s and Pranabda’s plan to grab the kursi by keeping the Amul baby as a mukhota…

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  • Anonymous

    Guys have you forgotten Ramalinga Raju and Satyam. Corruption is not exclusive to Govt , private sector is even more corrupt, WHICH LOKPAL WILL NOT TOUCH

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan

    Most of the guys here are not interested in eradicating corruption – their dream is to dislodge the present dispensation and replace it with the one of their liking. In the process, whoever and whatever comes in handy that they think will help them in “fulfilling” their dream is a hero/heroine. Kiran Bedi is one such.

    With more murky details coming out, the supporters and the fans of Ms. Bedi have fallen silent here for the last couple of hours. How long can they go on defending the indefensible?

    Private sector corruption is well known. Most companies choose to quietly bury the scandals so that their “reputation” remains intact.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    first four lines of your post says that most of the guys here are interested in to dislodge present dispension, so what is wrong in this? Are we not in a democratic country? And if they see a person, with impeccable public service record, in the vanguard of this movement and are trying to lend their support to her, what is wrong here?
    Private sector corruption should be routed in toto by whatever means available, no body is defending it, who is defending this corruption here? Who should keep a tab on these companies? of course government, authorities, with all the power vested in them by constitution. economic offence wing, income tax or what you have

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    No problem in dislodging per se. The impression I have got, in so many posts, that the corruption and misdeeds of the present dispensation is highlighted (and rightly so) and others are treated as if no wrong has been committed or justifiable.

    Corruption is all pervasive in our society and has to be fought in all fronts – not selectively by targeting only X – that is why doubts are raised – as to the intent.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    Agree with you. There can not be a selective approach. The broom should sweep, whatever dirt it can reach.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    an attempt is being made to show that all people who are supporting Kiran Bedi and Anna Hazare have fallen silent, because according to one very very wishful thinker, ‘more murky deals are coming out’.

    If Shah Alam khan has fallen silent for hours, do you then take it that he has nothing to say and has come to believe that what he called a gang of clowns are actually not?

    this is plain wishful thinking. Kiran Bedi and the so called gang of clowns, knaves and frauds are fighting our war on corruption and let us make these saintly persons who are so passionately supporting the most corrupt regime in the world understand that the fight will go on, regardless of the quantity of muck they throw at the gang of clowns.

    He must remember that Manish Tiwari, after accusing Anna Hazare of fraud and misappropriation of public funds had to beg public apology. The accusa tion has NOT gone away, but Manish Tiwari had to eat humble pie and vanish from his lofty perch in the party.

    The same fate would befall all these jokers now trumpeting Kiran Bedi’s frauds.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    Though I am impressed with people who are fighting for anti corruption movement, there could always be a different perspective. Nothing is purely black or pure white. so let us also not label people with other perspective as some one with scheming mind. otherwise, what will be the difference in them and pro anti corruption movement supporters. Each party will be castigating other as having hidden motives.
    Sorry, sounding preachy? Can not imagine to preach you. Neither now, nor in future.
    Corruption is as ancient as probably existence of intelligent life form, where weak or needy understood that by gratifying certain need of powerful, S/he can get some favor. What we should strive for is that equation of powerful dispensing favors for personal gratification situation is eliminated in total.

    engrich Reply:

    anna wants patwari to be very honest.while his jatwala,ram naam kee loot hai loot sakai so loot.

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  • Dr Mishra

    DR SHAH ALAM”””””””””

    You have a big heart to forgive and ignore the pointless communal jibe thrown at you. Incidentally, I had come to your office in Aug and was intrigued to find no nameplate ??

    1. Now to business. Ashish is right many priorities are linked- illiteracy, healthcare poverty etc, but corruption UNDERPINS them all
    2. My pet priority is population control, it is frightening. I alone on this blog beat a very lonely drum about it.
    3. The most important point that you have ALL missed is this- we may all have a list of slightly different priorities, but since MILLIONS OF PEPLE, ACROSS ALL CLASS AND RELIGIOUS DIVIDES ARE UNITED ON THIS ONE ISSUE, then sieze the opportunity. It may not come again for ? decades.

    This is what I think Balwinder praaji was trying, I think to say in his rustic way. And not to appreciate this basic point, is to my mind, Shah and Manohar, almost traitorous. Good night from Yorkshire, Sirs, it is getting chilly now here.

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    engrich Reply:

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Sir,
    Thanks for the reply. Well, my room did not have a nameplate in August as the corridor where it is situated was under renovation. Presently the room does have a name- written in bold! Having said this, there are very few minutes in my day at the Institute when I can actually get to sit in the room….I regret to have missed meeting you in Aug. I appreciate your magnanimity in the last debate where I was jibed.
    Coming back to the debate, I know what you and probably Pankaj ji are talking about. You people want to use this opportunity to create ripples….you are correct in doing so but the basic question remains don’t you think that the subset of values which define this movement are dangerous for a democracy? Even the basic version of Lok Pal which team clowns is trying to push through is not up to the mark. Explanations like it is only for governmental bodies is flawed. Why shouldn’t Kiran Bedi & Kejriwal not fight to include the private loot under the LP bill? Isn’t this a corruption of sorts…..exclusiveness at will? Democratic set ups cannot be the sweet will of a few people (just like it shouldn’t be the free will of dynastic rules). Finally I do not agree with your statement that the movement has united people across caste, class, religion, etc. Sir this was an urban, high caste, middle class movement. I can send you a list of people who are even today fighting for low class, low caste, rural people of India… if you wish, the list will include exclusively those who are fighting against corruption. Fight against corruption did not begun with the likes of Anna and Bedis, its a long term quest for freedom from the colonial mindset which plagues this country…..corruption is the by product of social inequality and it needs more than a team of jokers to get rid off.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra

    1) I will not object you calling me “almost traitorous”, it is a free world. If you consider if someone has dissenting views from yours or from you group, he/she is a traitor, I am sorry to say that it shows that you do not understand what democracy and democratic debate is all about. Why do you think there is a parliament and why there are debates/discussions therein, especially in a diverse country like ours?

    Let us take your logic further – if majority in the parliament has a view A on matter X and the BJP does not agree with it and has a different view, should the majority dub the BJP as traitorous? No sir, they would not.

    2) This movement did not encompass people from all strata of society and it was restricted to only urban centres. If you think otherwise, so be it.

    Let me reiterate

    a) This institution of Lokpal that is sought to be established will be another parallel bureaucracy, thousands of crores will be spent to run it and benefits /results highly suspect. Corruption is not going to get reduced or disappear. Again if you think otherwise, just wait and watch.

    b) Anna Hazare (rather Kejriwal & Co.) should have engaged the government primarily on issues that need more urgent attention – rural development, universal education, etc. – i.e. improving the lot of the disadvantageous sections of our society, but then these issues do not attract eye-balls for the protagonists as these are not glamourous issues.

    In short, the clowns (as Dr. Khan correctly calls them) are attempting to sell a dream that once this monster (Lokpal) is created it will be lovely days sans corruption for the rest of our lives and thereafter. Nothing can be further from reality.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Dear Shahji;
    Thanks for your post to me. I will certainly call on you at your OPD on one of the suggested days.
    I will restrict myself to your post addressed to me. I am sorry to understand that you have considered me more blind than a blind person, who can not see the support Bedi is getting from various people. Yes, she is getting lot of support, alright, but not for the subterfuge, she indulged in. Every serious blogger has hinted and pointed out that what she was doing was not correct but Rai ka Pahad aur Pahad ka Rai banana, this kind of practice is also reprehensible. Many of our media people have specialized in this field and I wish we had jouranalists, who would report, analyse and let us hoi polloi, know what is what. A clear schism is discernible in Indian media, where most people are with establishment and true function of journalists of being a watchdog for people has been relegated at the altar of privilages and perks. I am not including Vinodji in toto in this category, but wish, he was more balanced in his reporting. One of the very powerful tool in democracy is the fourth state, apart from Judiciary and Opposition etc. My arguments were on those lines.
    Now, if we speak about illiteracy, Poverty, Communalism and various other ills thriving in present India, which includes corruption as well, which has assumed gigantic proportion, why one should not raise one’s voice against them? This group is raising their voice against corruption, let other groups come forward and raise their voices against these ills of indian society. what is the point in blaming this group and suspecting ulterior motives behind this. May be, their methodology is wrong, may be there is lot of confusion amongst them, but I think that people who find fault with them should suggest ideas, should throw ideas for public debate etc in place of finding fault with present group.
    I hope, you will throw some light on other problems, I / you mentioned above and your method of dealing with them.
    Regards

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Pankaj ji,
    Thanks for the reply. Some of the answers to your questions are in my reply to Dr Misra. You are absolutely correct in the description of the media. My cousin has depicted this very well in the movie Peepli Live. Now note the dichotomy of the Anna movement, they don’t want media under the Lok Pal bill…a bit strange?
    When we make idols, we want them to behave like one. As a sentimental lot of people, we cannot allow idols to falter. It is for this very reason that when ever a god man in India is caught in corruption or any other scandal, it makes big news. The intricacies of social balances in India make us an interesting country vis a vis movements like this. For a movement to be successful the single most important ingredient is inclusiveness. Unfortunately the Anna movement lacked coherence when it came to caste, class and to an extent religious divide. How are dalits expected to sit and support a movement at Janatar Mantar when every now and then anti-reservation slogans were being raised (this is first hand account I witnessed)? Pankaj ji whether the Anna movement succeeds or fizzles out under its own contradictions can be anyones guess; what I am very clear on is the fight for corruption has to be fought on a broader scale with more inclusiveness than now. Hope we all are on the same page when it comes to the final result.
    Look forward meeting you.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blimey, Are you talking about Miss Rizvi or Aamir Khan.
    It was indeed a very good movie , but i beleive it is totally Miss Rizvi’s creation which as always Aamir totally elbowed her out, and she has vowed not to work again.
    Actually it is not so much media , it is the VOYEURISM of the public , that is the main incentive. That is why gory mobile phone footage of gaddafi’s corpse dragged through the street is posted on the internet .
    The outstanding depiction of this voyeurism as exploited by the media was shown in the film THE TRUMAN SHOW.
    another film that explores the innate propensity of human mind for the baser aspect of life is portrayed in David Cronenberg’s film CRASH

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Well I was talking about Anusha.
    Truly,
    Shah

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Yes Shahji;
    The movement has to be not only broad based but all inclusive. Corruption affects us all and has no class, caste, or religious distinction. If, the movement was exclusive kind, then, it should improve itself and should become all inclusive.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “the fight for corruption has to be fought on a broader scale with more inclusiveness than now” – please suggest how to broaden the scale?

    The smaller the target, the better is the chance of acheiving it. As far as inclusiveness is concerned, no one can be forced into joining it. In mu opinion, most of the people who are opposed to it are the ones who are sympathetic to the present dispensation at the centre.

    I didn’t support the movement when it started but now I extend my full support to it (after the Sarkari Swamy was caught and rightly thrown out). To me you are a clown who is essentially using his superior writing skills to obfuscate things.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Thanks Ishwar ji for appreciating my writing skills at least. Well you are right if the target is small it is more achievable. Broadening the base of agitation simply means achieving short term targets with an eye on long term goals. I can see the malice in the long term goals through the achievement of short term targets which this movement proposes…and hence I refuse not to call this a circus with clowns all around.
    Hope you understand.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam,

    you have always said that Anna the clown and his circus lacked popular support or a mass base. I believe you also hold the view that Anna has tried to de-stabilise a duly elected government.

    The congress party too has always been critical of the “circus”, but on different grounds. It says Anna has widespread support. I am reproducing a comment by Raashid Alvi (Aug16), the new-fangled Gen.sec of the party, much before Anna the clown went on a fast:

    Suspecting a “foreign” hand behind Anna Hazare’s anti-graft movement, Congress today raised questions on the US’ statement that India would exercise “appropriate democratic restraint” in dealing with peaceful protests and asked the government to inquire how a “lone” civil rights activist is drawing support.

    “US never supported any movement in India since its Independence. For the first time, the US said Anna Hazare’s movement should be allowed and there should be no obstruction to it. What was the need for the US to give this statement?

    “ It needs to be considered whether there is any power which is supporting this movement which wants to destabilise not only the government but the country. We need to take the statement of the US seriously,” party spokesperson Rashid Alvi
    told reporters at the AICC briefing.
    he said “government should inquire about it and find out the truth”.

    “ Anna is alone. Anna has no organisation but only a few friends standing by him. The big question is how this movement came into existence? How people in such a large number come out to support him?” the Congress leader said.

    Noting that various forces with different ideologies have joined Anna’s agitation on only one issue of Lokpal, he appealed to the government on behalf of Congress to find out the forces behind Hazare’s agitation adding “Anna cannot do it alone through his own resources.”

    Alvi also referred to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s reply in Parliament today and said that at a time when the country was emerging as a powerful country, it will have to be contemplated whether there is any power which wants to destablise not only the government but the country.

    Do you also believe that the circus is funded and aided by unseen hands in the US?

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Sorry Shenoy sahib, you should have realised by now that I have decided not to indulge with you in any discussion for a simple reason that for you I am a rabid communal Muslim who is slowly loosing the veneer of liberalism & secularism (as from your reply to the malignant post by Mr. Rajeev). I have all the answers to your naive queries but since I cannot engage with someone who stoops down to that low a level and unfortunately or fortunately I cannot change my religion or ideology, so I hold on to my position. I am sorry to have written this but Sir please lets not indulge in any mud slinging….there are many more on this forum who can carry on the discussion without falling prey to frustration induced passion and religious hegemony.
    No ill feelings please.
    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Shah Alam,

    Should I feel grateful that you have, even from your high horse of what you alone know, condescended to tell me that you hold me below your noble, intellectual, level and hence cannot “reply” to my “naive queries”.

    Just as you have several more on this blog who just about match your high intellect and also superior argumentative powers, I too am fortunate that there are some in this same blog who see eye to eye with me on several issues of national importance.

    I may have agreed with Rajeev’s calling into question your kind secularism, I haven’t read your countering Dr. Mishra, who wrote, just a while ago, “This is what I think Balwinder praaji was trying, I think to say in his rustic way. And not to appreciate this basic point, is to my mind, Shah and Manohar, almost traitorous.”

    Perhaps, according to your noble ways of thinking, being traitorous is more fashionable than being communal or pseudo secular.

    Anonymous Reply:

    And Dr. Shah Alam, as for your inability to change your religion, our constitution provides all citizens of India the right to follow the religion of their choice.

    If your forefathers could change their religion, you too can; it is only a question of whether you want to.

  • Anonymous

    THIS IS HOW CORRUPTION IS PREVENTED , NOT GHUNGHAT ACT IN RAMLILA MAIDAN OR ANSHAN BY A DIMWIT EX HAWALDAR, now read on

    An inefficient payment system is leading to an annual loss of Rs.1 trillion for the government, and this can be tackled through an electronic payment model, management consulting firm McKinsey and Co. said on Monday in a report titled Inclusive growth and financial security: The benefits of e-payments to Indian society. The report was commissioned by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

    A major chunk of this leakage—nearly Rs.71,000 crore—is part of the government welfare schemes to households, the McKinsey report said.

    Current payment flows between government and individual households, including subsidies and social services to individual citizens, is around Rs.13 trillion.

    According to the report, transaction costs account for 15-20% of total losses to the government and overhead and administrative costs around 5-10%. Leakages account for 75-80% of total losses.

    Transaction costs are associated with cash or cheque payments at payment source and destination, and overhead and administrative costs are a result of manual payment processing, audits, and payment reconciliation. Leakages are caused when payments of benefits or for services are diverted to unintended individuals or groups, the report said.

    According to the report, the adoption of e-payments will help increase transparency of financial transactions and catalyse financial inclusion.

    “Over 83% of the savings will potentially come from welfare schemes where the extent of inefficiencies is often higher than 30%,” said Naveen Tahilyani, partner at McKinsey and co-author of the report.

    “Consider the fact that current payment flows are mostly meant to serve the poor and the financially excluded, and that with e-payments, the savings in welfare schemes alone could translate to approximately 15% of the average income of a poor household in India, and you have a compelling case for instituting an e-payments model,” he said.

    With a view to mitigating the wastage in the current payment flows, the report recommends setting up an integrated e-payment infrastructure throughout the payment chain and creation of a centralized network for electronic transfers at all government departments, accessible and convenient transaction points in rural areas and a tamper-proof identity authentication infrastructure.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Correct, but how many of the bloggers will agree that only such measures can reduce corruption, not by nauTankis and not by creating a monster called Lokpal. Very few indeed.

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  • Anonymous

    Wishing everyone a very peaceful & a happy Diwali
    and
    a prosperous new year.

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  • Anonymous

    More dirt is being dug out.

    Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

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  • Anonymous

    Happy Diwali to everybody. May this Diwali brings lots of prosperity
    peace, joy and happiness to all of you.
    There are very few buildings in Dubai where we dont see any lights otherwise
    almost whole Dubai is iluminated with lights of different shapes and colours.
    Whole city looks beautiful in the evening.

    HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL OF YOU.

    CELEBERATE AND ENJOY.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ HAPPY DIWALI TO ALL~~ and let us celeberate next year by killing the corrupt~~
    ==============================================================

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    Happy Diwali to you.

    Next year we will certainly celebrate Diwali in more propitious circumstances, but we will not kill the corrupt, we will only finish them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Let’s wait and I am pretty sure activists will be the one who will loose…The real Diwali will be in 2014 when same politicians will beg for votes and will get kicked as per their past karma.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Shah and Manohar, of Faizan and Farrukh”””””””””””’

    First of all apologies, in my passion for India I do get carried away in my choice of words. I did say ‘almost’ traitorous, haha
    In August I took a trip to the Taj Mahal. The driver was Farrukh a poor muslim from the Rajasthan Haryana border and our guide for the whole day was Faizan a young collge undergraduate from Agra. Political animal that I am you can imagine the opportunity I had to debate with two muslims from different socio economic strata of society.

    We went through the usual- Faizan slightly perturbed by my criticism of Aurangzeb and my praise of Dara Shikoh and Akbar etc etc. The lack of educational excellence in the small town and rural muslims, the rise of radicalisation in their community etc etc

    BUT WHERE THERE WAS TOTAL AGREEMENT WAS THAT THEY CONSIDERED ANNA AN ANGEL AND THE MOVEMENT THEIR OWN- sorry they had not picked up on the cynical sneer of Barkha Dutt and Jawed Naqvi. Farrukh in particular had a culture that employed age old Rajasthani hindu rituals and his muslim identity was accidental. Like mine- an accident of birth.

    He had in fact been asked by his panchayat to marry his elder brother’s widow- I think he called the ‘rasam’ – veervattu- but I could be wrong. And wherever I encountered waiters, shopkeepers, photographers, gardeners at Sikandra etc- there was a boiling anger at the looters elite, and a feeling- OUR TIME HAS COME

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    being morally supportive and physically participating in the agitation are two different things. Perhaps Dr.Shah Alam was drawing this distinction in all his posts. He also believes, with proof of course, that Anna’s movement is backed by the RSS and BJP, if you go by the slogans “bharat mata ki jai, Vande mataram” etc., besides, of course the “gori bharat mata picture as the backdrop.

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    Shah Alam Khan Reply:

    Dear Sir,
    I see many more Farrukhs & Faizans and still larger numbers of dalits, low caste wretched of Earths to have formed my opinion on the joker and his team. I have done camps in India where you cannot reach except on foot. My disconnect with such a sham movement is total and I firmly believe that if these wretched of the Earth are made to believe that “your time has come”, they are just being fooled into yet another unimaginable, non existent utopia.
    Till then Sir I am reminded of couplets by Faiz:

    Lazim Hai ke hum Bhi Dekhain Gay
    Woh Din ke Jis ka Wadah Hai
    Jo Loh-e-Azl pe Likha hai
    Hum Dekhain Gay
    Jab takht giraye jayenge aur taj uchale jayenge

    It is necessary that we shall also see
    That day which has been promised
    Which is written with God’s ink
    We shall see
    When thrones will be tossed

    Truly,
    Shah Alam Khan
    New Delhi

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  • Dr Mishra

    so on this occasion Shah and Manohar, this NRI had more of a feel of the poor man’s pulse in India- better get back to work- this blog will kill me.

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  • Anonymous

    I am waiting for the day when Mr. Vinod Sharma would write a similar blog on Sonia’s trip to the US.

    I would see if he writes about:
    a) the nature of her illness
    b) which hospital she was in and for how long
    c) who accompanied her
    d) which Indian doctor recommended the hospital
    e) which Indian doctor was with her on the trip
    f) was any detour made to any of the tax-havens
    g) who dis she meet
    h) who paid for the expenses

    If you don’t tell us Mr. Sharma, one Mr. Swamy certainly will.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You should be ashamed to raise finger on modern Bharat Mata. She has first right to all the resources. Who are we ‘Saale Kaley aadmi’ to question Italian empress?

    Apni Aukaat mein raho..

    Vinodji, Theek kaha naa?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    aap ne theek nahin kahaa.

    aapko kehna chahiye thaa: “gori bharat mata”

    It would at least have the approval of Dr.Shah Alam Khan.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ishwar,
    I don’t agree with point a. She has right to her privacy.
    b, d, f, h are relevant questions and rest are basically not civilized.

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  • Anonymous

    This blog space, which is suppose to deal with Indo-Pak issues between India and its evel, corrupted at birth twin Pakistan has degenarated into anti-Anna crusade by Mr Sharma.
    Just look at last 3 blogs. 1. Aanna’s Kejriwal playing BJP proxy 2. Anna’s maun 3. Apology ..Kiran Bedi are all part of smear campaign by Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajiv,
    Vinod Sharma has some ambitions and right now Anna & his team is his ladder. He has been noticed by Digvijay who is direct link to Sonia and Rahul.

    I am sure Vinod will be awarded with padma shri or some rajya sabha seat. He has effectively become editor of Congress Sandesh.

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  • Anonymous

    Happy Diwali to you all.

    As far as Kiran Bedi’s issue is concerned, I think aggrieved parties should file FIRs against her and let law take its own course. I think Kiran Bedi should resign from Core Committee but still stay associated with IAC. I think she was targetted because the way she mocked politicos at Ramlila Ground.

    I get a feeling that most of the Indians don’t even understand what is corruption and what is not. What Kiran Bedi did was not purely corruption but it is definitely border line case. Had she pocketed the money, I’d have called her corrupt.

    Now coming back to Jan Lokpal, I think pressure should be applied on this govt. because there is a clear attempt by this UPA govt. to divert the attention of the masses. It has worked in the past but may not work in future.

    I heard she used Mizoram Quota to get admission for her daughter..This reminds me of someone who used fake domicile certificate from Assam to enter Rajya Sabha. Looks like these kind of things are way of life in India. I can say with 100% gurantee that all of us here have committed at least one financial corrupt act in our life but does that mean we actually wanted to. The Indian system is tuned in such a way that no one can escape corruption. I remember that around 1994, one Ticket checker was severely beaten up by other TCs because he was honest and refused to indulge in corruption.

    It is congress party who has ruled India for 50+ years that has nurtured corruption and made corruption as way of life in India. It is responsibility of Congress to work with others to eradicate corruption. It is only Congress Supremo Sonia and Prince Rahul who can take effective measure to curb corruption in India (their Jagir) else they should be kicked out. If Gora Sahibs can’t do it then who would.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You earlier wrote in response to my query.
    “The whole thing is being twisted to a mega amplifier. The money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor.

    Why is tax payers money used for z category security for the Yuvraj???

    Even when he goes motor cycle racing on a private track created on famers land by Vadra and the DLF scions…

    That is misuse of tax payers money. Am waiting for your answer Manohar…. ”

    ——————

    I trust you have read the links I mentioned in earlier. I repeat them for your benefit.

    1) Hosts say were told Bedi flies only Business class

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hosts-say-were-told-bedi-flies-only-business-class/865449/0

    2) Trustee of Kiran Bedi’s NGO quits, claims his reputation tarnished

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Trustee-of-Kiran-Bedis-NGO-quits-claims-his-reputation-tarnished/articleshow/10488306.cms

    3) Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal: Not the perfect role models

    http://www.sify.com/news/kiran-bedi-and-arvind-kejriwal-not-the-perfect-role-models-news-columns-lkyxvvfbhch.html

    ——————-

    1) Money saved by lying to the world that she only flies business class? Wasn’t she getting enough funds for her NGO? The rebates she gets from state-owned Air India is tax payers’ money.

    What was the need to lie, if indeed the money was going for a good cause? If by honestly telling that she needs money for her NGO, perhaps people would have given her more than the fudged amounts.

    You say – the money saved was put in an NGO which served the poor. Then why has she decided to return the difference?

    As someone pointed out – netaa aur doosre kare toh chor, kiran bedi kare toh charity.

    I can see now what awaits her – invitations will dry up (who will trust her), as her credibility has taken a severe beating (never mind where the excess money went). That is where Vinod’s suggestion that she should have apologized has so much merit. Perhaps, you will not appreciate that because your heroes/heroines are not supposed to apologize – “jab galat kaam kiyaa hi nahin, to maafi kyon maange”. Right?

    Next time you create “gods” to worship, please be extra careful, one never knows what lies beneath. You may also review your present gods and see if they are worth worshiping.

    2) I am equally appalled that our money is spent (rather wasted) on providing Z+ security to many of our politicians, who do not deserve it or are not entitled to it. However, you seem to have a problem with only Rahul Gandhi. What about L K Advani, Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre’s whole family and others? You seem to have no objections to that and I know why – you need not answer. Just as L K Advani is a only an MP, so is Rahul Gandhi. The Thakres do not even hold any constitutional or political office. (*)

    Your obnoxious prejudice is there for all to see. I am not even disgusted by it.

    My apologies, if this seems to be too harsh a response. Have a great Diwali and a prosperous new year.

    * Who is paying for the air-conditioning bills for the jailed BSY (accused of corruption)? Tax payers or ????

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,
    I have been following your posts. You seem to be defending Rahul Gandhi and Dynasty all the time by pointing fingers at others. On one hand you say Anna’s team points fingers at others so they should be ready for same but when it comes to dynasty, you want to forego all the logic and sense of justice.

    Your obnoxious prejudice is there for all to see but I am not disgusted because there are many people like you who are brainwashed into believing that Nehru-Gandhi family is beyond all questioning…only Advanis and Modis are to be questioned…

    Try to get grip on your emotions. It is good to be loyal but to be irrationally loyal is dangerous. Many pitbulls attack others to save their owner but because of their irrational behavior they are put to sleep by their owners.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I bet you have not even bothered to connect my reply to what Vijay had asked me. Never mind, I do not expect that from you.

    If I was enamoured by Nehru-Gandhi family, I wouuldn’t have said the following a number of times. Care to go back couple of blogs or will continue to judge others with preconceived notions/prejudices?

    1) That Indira Gandhi was the worst Prime Minister we have had
    2) That I hold Rajiv Gandhi responsible for not doing enough or nothing to prevent 1984.
    3) I have also questioned Sonia Gandhi’s choice of her political advisers.
    4) That Rahul Gandhi is not fit to be Prime Minister at the present time or may not be in future.

    If this makes you come to the conclusion that I am defending Nehru-Gandhi family and I am soft on Rahul Gandhi then you need to get your head examined or you have transitory memory or you do not understand plain English (as Vinod has rightly pointed out).

    Grip on one’s emotions,m blah, blah, blah. Ha,ha, ha. Keep and apply such unsolicited advice for yourself. It is you who badly needs it.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar…

    I would like to know from you — that if you have five people in mind– who have the popularity, power and guts to finish of corruption?

    can you name them//

    Anonymous Reply:

    I can answer that-
    Sonia Gandhi
    Rahul Gandhi
    Priyanka Gandhi
    Robert Vadra
    Ahmed Patel

    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    I will answer that later. Now go and enjoy your teen patti and Johnnie Walker or whatever your favourite brand is.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    It is a difficult question.

    Amar Singh has guts. In fact plenty of them and they are growing. But right now no power and very low on popularity quotient..

    Rahul Gandhi has power, but no guts. he is very popular, very lean and not hungry.

    Sonia Gandhi ditto as above, but has hunger for more power.

    Manmohan Singh has neither power nor guts, zero in popularity, even within his own party, only looks at other hungry people.

    Digvinash Singh too has no power, has a paunch which he believes is the same as guts. Again, zero in popularity, except with the palace. He is hungry for power, but is prepared to bide his time for the Yuvaraj to ascend the throne.

    Anonymous Reply:

    How conveniently and approvingly Vinodji is quoted!

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    Belated happy Diwali.
    I have been reading posts here and getting impression that current problems of corruption and terrorism are being given short shrift in favor of malnutrition, illiteracy, poverty etc. These problems are with us since millenium, at least. Terrorism and corruption of this scale has occuring since last couple of decades. Any government or every government swear by upliftment of poor, eradication of illiteracy and malnutrition, but few have a scintillating record on this front commensurate with money allocated and all that. Obviously, either money is siphoned off or implementation is so poor that funds remain unutilized, both reflecting on poor governance. Reality is that for maximum number of years, congress was in power and at some places in absolute power. It carries bigger responsibility for this dismal picture.
    Corruption and terrorism are deeply interlinked, these are burning issues and have potential to destroy Indian state, after which, no body will be there to look after our masses, who are so weak to face the 21 century world and history may not repeat itself in a very grotesque way again. In my opinion, Corruption and terrorism should be dealt in a bipartison manner as the better governance should be, when situation has improved. Little to hear from participants on those lines.

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  • Anonymous

    ===============================================================================
    ~~~ SOME GOOD NEWS ON DIWALI DAY ~~~~ before i rush off to a card and scotch session ~~~~
    ===============================================================================
    ~~~ AND of course worship Godess laxmi ……

    Before I start this posting let me clarify, why I said I am about to rush off to a card and scotch session. Becasue sir, in the double standard environment of this country, this statement would be used to vilify me… that how can a a guy who has scotch and plays cards can talk about corruption. Shame on him. has he ever felt the pain of the poor … is he not a right winger… celeberating Diwali… and my God.. scotch and cards… a real debauch!

    And O la la.. Laxmi ki puja bhi….

    But my idea is to see positives for a change.

    The primary reason I am writing this is to spread some optimism, on where I felt progress on tackling corruption has been made. SO here are my few examples… and why probably it happened.

    a) Honest officers on top:
    ————————————-
    The Delhi metro with which I have a few dealings is largely an honest organisation. All becasue of a Guy called Sreedharan. So a honest , dedicated guy at the top can make a difference.

    b) Computerisation:
    —————————–
    To get a birth certifcate or a death certificate in Delhi would take ghoos, patience and rishwat. I was pleasantly surprised to not that becasue fo computerisation things have changed largely. Smilarly the greater noida authority will give you all dues/txes on your proerty at the press of a computer button, something which all other authorities in India make you slog your balls for. and Ask Rishwat for. So while the officers may be still dishonest, the computer has at least blocked rishwat from one front.

    c) Privatisation:
    ————————
    DESU, the electricity board in Delhi was the pits of corruption. From getting a meter to getting it repaired or a line repaired… everything was impossible without bribes. Now it is largely corruption free because of privatisation.

    d)A vocal public:
    —————————
    Shopkeepers at a market a kilomtere away from my house had to pay hafta to the cops just to keep them happy. But one day all the shopkeepers got together, bashed a cop and complained to the commissioner. Things have changed since then.

    e) Better systems:
    ——————————
    Taking an auto or a Taxi in delhi could leave you open for a fight with the driver as he was 1000% going to overcharge you. However Now, with prepaid taxis/autos available at various points and radio taxis available… things have changed a bit.

    THIS IS of course a small list in a country of 1 billion.. Maybe there is a lesson for everyone in this…

    Anyway… HIc… hic… just opened the scotch … wish me luck for 3 aces in teen patti…

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Bhaiyye Vijay;
    Kya teen patti aur Johny walker ki baat karte ho. My open invitation to you for a free trip to Vagas, lodging and boarding on me. Jeeto haaro tumhara, Air ticket bhi tumhara. Sushmita ko lao to uska sara kharcha mera. Ha.
    Shahji and Manohar, I am not all that frivolous, but Vijay is dear to me.I

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Pankaj

    Thx for the offer.
    Sushmita aayegi toh…
    toh main bhar Chartered plane le loonga…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    You are right. We do need to look at some positives… at least…

  • Anonymous

    @ Bob

    just got my head examined.

    it is still tilted towrds people who fight corruption…

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ishwar, SONIA ILLNESS

    IS baar puttar changi gal nahin kitti. Bhaut kharab baat, why Sonia should reveal her illness to all if she does not want to. Shame on all of you who keep raising this issue, maybe it is private matter.
    Would u like to tell the world about your mothers hemorrhoids or about your Dads ring worm infection ? Pl u leave good lady alone on this point. And Subramanian Swamy is now one point irrelevance talk show. What a waste of talent. At times like this I think we are not mature as nation.
    What do our 3 wise doctors, Shah, pankaj and Mishraji say on this medical ethics issue? Pl sirji, u advice
    ps, DR SHAN idiot of cingulite, ur opinion not asked for

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Balwinder Praji;
    As Dr. Mishra is fond of calling you. Thanks for including me in the list of wise 3 people. Do you remember 3 wise people from east, who came to Jerusalem at the birth of Christ? Any way, I am honoured.
    Medical confidentiality is very serious matter in North America. Do not triffle with it. We have been hammered with this advise at every nook and corner. So, I will not ask for details.
    My objection is, when a lady, who lives at 10 Janpath, who has no means of income, except from Royalty from , Jawahar lal’s royalty of books, can afford a private treatment in USA? Sir, two generations’ income will not be sufficient to pay the bill for this treatment here. Seen, many families” Ujad gayin” for just payinfg hospital bill. Do not like this system. Can not help this.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    No one is interested in knowing Sonia illness. Balwinder has attention deficit problem..Daaru peekar kuch samajh nahi aata.
    The questions are very simple-
    1. How much of tax payer money was spent on her illness?
    2. Where was she treated?

    If she spent money from her own pocket, we don’t want any info., but if she used taxpayer’s money, she better reveal how much she spent and where?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You may or get someone to file a RTI application for Q no.1.

    It no one’s business to know as to where was she treated.

    Anonymous Reply:

    The Bills will show where she was treated… This is required because she may be faking the whole thing.

    Anonymous Reply:

    So file an RTI application if you are so keen to know it. Good luck.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    according to my “private information”, some 497 copies of Discovery Of India were sold in the last 3years, 477 of them to govt.libraries.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    5 copies were purchased by Digvinash SIngh to impress Amul Baby. Digviansh has placed them everywhere… car…drg room.. bedroom… toilet…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinder

    Well spoken.

    One has to respect other people’s privacy. Many of the bloggers have not been taught such elementary etiquette.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    My two posts have been eaten away by moderator. Not in a mood to repeat them.
    One was for balwinder and another was to Vijay.

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  • Pankaj#1

    My apologies.
    They were there after all.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,
    Thoda dekh kar..Diwali ki khushi mein Zyada to nahi ho gayee..

    To everyone in North America, a very happy Diwali evening.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Rajeev S.
    Dear Rajeev;
    Again I will say, Hamen mita de jo…… diwali ki Khushushi main, get near to me, and this invitation may go to you. Problem is that these invitations are really triffle to me, they are serious. But, a big but, I should really love the person.

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  • Dr Mishra

    SONIA’S ILLNESS”””””””
    Respect to you praaji for your very direct approach. Yes, illness is a very private matter and when we trained at AIIMS, where many celebrities and politicians were treated, we were taught rigorously not to discuss their illnesses with friends and relatives.
    Balwinder, your comment on demanding to know the stature of everyone’s haemorrhoids was brilliant. Black humour and straight to the point as always, praa you never disappoint. Enough said

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  • Anonymous

    @Bloggers etal. Looks like America’s war with pakistan may well be a possibility.
    There was a programme in BBC2 tonight called THE SECRET PAKISTAN.
    There was nothing unique in that documentary, it was about PAKISTAN PLAYING DOUBLE GAME , and how ISI is actively directing taliban , and that is RESULTING IN US AND NATO CASUALTY.Now it is not as if west suddenly woke up to this fact yesterday , THEY KNOW THIS SINCE GEORGE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE(read Bob Woodyard’s OBAMA’S WAR). What was galling is the fact that PAKISTAN APPARENTLY AIRLIFTED TALIBAN FIGHTERS TO SAFETY WHEN THEY WERE POUNDED BY USA .
    Now this programme to me looks like BUILDING UP PUBLIC OPINION, because the tone and tenor was PAKISTAN IS EVIL. And the timimg is striking.
    Also edited interview clips of former army chief Aslam Beg saying Taliban is our blood and flesh so it is natural they will get sanctuary in pakistan.
    Read the above with the Karzai interview to GEO TV , where he says “KHUDA NA KAREY PKISTAN AUR AMERICA KA JUNG HO”.Now this was said impromptu , and WHY SHOULD THIS QUESTION ARISE , karzai must have some access to some information for his foreboding.
    I invite manohar t , shah alam ,rajeevs, and others for there take on this very grave scenario.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Perhaps President Karzai is in the know that USA has finally lost patience with the Pakistan establishment and the latter has been told – start behaving or else. On other hand it may be tough posturing and a beginning of turning on the screws slowly.

    Pakistan has already put its hands up in dealing with the Haqqani group, saying they cannot take them on.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/282732/deepening-the-pakistan-india-divide/
    Generally, I do not go for links from Pakistan but this was from pervez hoodbhoy.
    Do indians harras Indians who wish to visit Pakistan?

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  • Anonymous

    Balwinder ji,

    you have chastised Ishwar for wanting to know the details of Sonia Gandhi’s illness and the expenses the Indian tax payers would be bearing.

    Please permit me to say a few more things on this matter.

    When Sonia Gandhi didn’t adopt Indian citizenship for sixteen years after her marriage into the first family of india and then suddenly she decided to become an Indian, when Rajiv Gandhi’s ascension to the throne became a mere question of time, many people questioned her motives, but were told “it is her private matter, who are you question?”

    When Indira Gandhi was assassinated, she took her children and took refuge in the Italian embassy. Then too some people questioned her lack of faith in the Indian state to protect its citizens, but were told, “it is her private affair, who are you to question?”

    She had given false affidavit to the election commission that she is a graduate from Cambridge university, and the country believed it to be true, until Subramania Swamy proved in the SC that she is a mere certificate holder of a one year English course run by a tutorial in Cambridge village. Sonia Gandhi then told the court, “it is a clerical mistake”. ANd the SC “requested” Dr.Swamy to leave the matter at that.

    Similarly, about her religion. The SC told the petitioners, “It is her private affair, who are you to question?”

    But, now, because the tax payers are footing the bill, in my “humble opinion”, the aam aadmi has a right to know how much was paid out, for what kind of illness, whether amount paid out was commensurate with the illness and treatment given, etc., etc., etc. Whether she gives it herself, or whether Swami takes it out from her party and government or whether some aam aadmi gets it under RTI query, matters littleas long as the right of the aam aadmi to know it is accepted.

    Therefore, in my “humble opinion”, Ishwar has the right to know. In democracies, holy cows are anachronisms. S

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy Saab

    If a CGHS beneficiary and MPs are CGHS beneficiaries , and there is no other govt. scheme for medical treatment at public expense, there is a committee in the Health Ministry which has to examine and recommend that medical treatment is not availabe in India. Needless to say that permission is rarely granted. It is only then that a beneficiary can go abroad for medical treatment.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    You wrote

    Manohar…

    I would like to know from you — that if you have five people in mind– who have the popularity, power and guts to finish of corruption?

    can you name them//

    ————

    A) Corruption is as old as the advent of mankind.

    B) Finishing off corruption not possible. Yes, minimize it to maximum extent as possible.

    C) One wishes that it could be done by 5 or 50 or 500 such individuals, but they cannot be everywhere all the time.

    D) How to minimize it. That is the question.

    The Kejriwal & Co.’s prescription is not the way. With creation of parallel bureaucracy (Lokpal). The more the bureaucracy more the corruption.

    E) If you recall over the last several months, we have been discussing this in the earlier blogs, so a lot of what follows has been said before.

    01) Decentralize the power down to the village/town/taluka levels. We do not need a massive and unwieldy power set-up in Delhi and in state capitals. IMO, half the ministries and departments are not at all needed (half the corruption automatically gets reduced!).

    02) First and foremost with this decentralization, we need to start building / creating water security in units mentioned above. Rest of the development and infrastructure would follow as a natural next steps. (it is preferable for the people in smaller areas to keep track of the shenanigans of those vested with powers to take decisions).

    03) Food security and healthcare + education for all especially the downtrodden.

    04) The funds required for 02/03 must transferred directly to the units mentioned.

    05) In another post, you have mentioned
    (a) computerization and
    (b) privatization of utilities and government undertakings

    has helped in reducing hanky-panky and minimize corruption. That is the way forward.

    05) Our law enforcement agencies – the police, the CBI, etc. need to be made autonomous independent of political interference – like the Election Commission and CAG.

    06) Our judicial system, which has ground to halt, needs to be expanded and bottlenecks eliminated. We all know the adage – justice delayed is justice denied and in out country it has taken a “criminal dimension” – delayed almost for ever.

    07) All appointments to the bureaucracy and related services to be say on 10 year basis. Today, a person is in government service, it is impossible to dismiss him for any misdeeds. Every ten years, there would be opportunity to get the deadwood and the corrupt out of the system.

    08) The political parties should not put up candidates with suspect credentials.

    09) Plug the loopholes in the laws and acts that give scope for corruption.

    10) We, the citizens, should not look forward to shortcuts and bribe our way to get things (whether legally entitled to or not) done or to jump queues.

    F) This may sound utopian, but then there are no shortcuts. Now the big question, how do we make our leadership do this?

    You too must have realised a group of few dozen people (K & Co.) trying to force the government to do its bidding has had a very limited success. The fact these individuals are getting mired in controversies is not helping matters. Recall that our independence movement was not restricted to few leaders who by agitating in front of the Viceroy’s House made the British shiver and they left. It was a countrywide movement.

    If civil groups are to be formed to presssure our political leadership to get down to brass tacks and get serious, it has to be on much larger scale – say 5000 or even higher volunteers per state and spread geographically to begin with, the numbers will grow. Forget the huge crowds one saw on the TV screens – majority were voyeurs (or to use the Punjabi equivalent – tamaashbeens).

    Another big question, who will take the lead in doing so. I wish I could give you a definite answer and name the 5 or 50 individuals. There are certainly few in mind, but would they be willing to dirty their hands so to say? As of now – Kejriwal and Bedi would certainly be not in that list. Rather we need another Mahatma Gandhi and he is nowhere in sight. No easy solutions. That does not mean we should not strive to better our lives, we must. Again recall, we got our independence after more than 40 plus years of active struggle. We certainly do not need clowns to lead such a movement, this struggle is not a circus and not a political fight.

    I hope I have answered your questions satisfactorily. Perhaps, others can come with a better and faster solutions, would like to hear from them.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I read your posting. Yes there is merit in some of your suggestions. However we would really need somebody who would want to put those or any other suggestion for eradicating corruption into practice.

    One Chief Minister– I wont take the name– has made more than 25000 crorers in cash through land and dealings. The paperwork is immaculate. Nobody can find fault with it. Here is an example of how it happens.

    a) There is an auction of Land for developing a commercial market/mall

    b) The authority will call all elgiable parties and tell them that the minimum rate is say 200 crores for the plot while the market rate is 500 crores. But the auction will be fixed. Only three bidders will be qualified and they have to pay
    200 crores as kickbacks combineed. In the end the plot will be split up. The builders get it 100 crores less than the market price. The CM makes 200 crores… and the paperwork is immaculate.

    You see Manohar, in the end it would require a LokPal or such sort of body to sort out the dirt. Mere good intentions and policy won’t do it…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    1) We do not need a Lokpal. We can strengthen the CVC and the CBI, making them independent like the Election Commission.

    2) If the paperwork is immaculate, then I doubt anyone can be held guilty. As Shan has suggested that auctions be open, recorded on camera and any solvent bidder should be allowed to enter the auction.

    * The charge against A Raja is that he did not have open sale of the spectrum, he changed the dates and informed only the select few and not at price the spectrum was given away. Such practices must be stopped.

    As far as land is concerned, the new Land Acquisition Bill is supposed to address most of the issues – such as fair price for the owners, minimum role of the state, etc. I do not have all the details.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Remembr P J Thomas?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Remember in what context?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ah!, you can’t be that naive!!

    The Sonia govt. tried to strengthen the institution of the by appointing him as the CVC and was forced to withdraw.

    I am sure you would come up with smart ones to even defend that decision.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Attempting to be too clever by half?

    It seems you are unable to comprehend as to what Vijay and I are discussing and in what context. In such a situation, only an idiot would make comments like yours.

    I am not going to waste any more time commenting on the content of your post.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Most points in your self assessed serious discussion are either generalisations or impractical or meaningless.

    Anyways, I back off with apologies.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha, changing tracks! I sincerely hope you understand what I mean.

    I have no problem with your opinion about my discussion, as I am not an intolerant bigot, which you probably are.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Looks like you have been brought up in a funny way. In your last two posts, you have used not so kind words for me without a reply.

    Anonymous Reply:

    If you wish me to treat you with respect and I will, if you stop attributing views and opinions on me. In your offending post, if you were so sure as to what I would say, then why ask?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I think you are being cruel to Ishwar..

    His viewpoint may be different… but then he has full liberty to say whatt he has in mind

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay

    Sure, I am. He is free to express his views and I have no problem (as I have already told him).
    I am ready discuss anything with him.
    However, if he keeps attributing motives, views and opinions on me, he will continue to get the wrong end of the stick. Read his last para in the offending post.

    Sorry about it, Sanjay.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Well we need a body stronger than the current dispensement. You could call it a Ombudsman if you want.

    The CBI and CVC only works as a handmaiden for the party at power at the centre as it is doing today– to fix all opponents fo the Congress.

    The state CID is helpless in front of a CM.

    It is not very difficult to nail down this corruption. Just check out the money trail. It coould well be hidden in Cash in farmhouses , in lockers, in land assets.

    Many a builder/mining company just make the Chief Minister a 10% partner in all projects.

    The rot is deep. It does requre a clean superbody to probe.

  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    Diwali celeberations are still on. At this age should cut down on eating sweats and
    drinking but diwali roz roz nahin aati. I also play cards regulary but not teen pati
    and not on diwali. And if anyone takes objection on our occasional drinking
    this is for them.

    Sharab peene se kya kaafir ho gaya mein ?
    ded chulu paani mein kya saare imaan bah gaye ?

    Happy diwali and happy new year to all of you.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    :)

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay,

    You have confirmed what Shan had been advocating that computerisation
    will bring down the corruption level by some extent.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Mohan and Manohar

    Of course computerisation would and has bought down corruption to some extent.

    I did not discover it… neither did Shan. But yes, effective computerisation will bring down corruption substantially. For example calculation of arrears/taxes/ amounts by departments which are a major souce of corruption can be tackled by computers. This makes it dispassionate and even a bad person in charge of the department cannot do anything to fool the public.

    However…

    The big issue remains the neeyat of the person in charge of the country/state/Ministery.

    Here is what ex HT employee and Vinodji’s seedy pal, Amar SIngh Dahla did with computers.

    In 2005, the NOida authority announced a public draw of 2000 plots. Amar Singh Dahal and Mulayam SIngh were running UP then. SO Amar Singh Dahla had a smart plan. HE FIXED THE COMPUTER PROGRAM so that all the plots went to the powerful !! HA HA HA.

    Here is a list of some people who got the plots

    a) Justice Sabharwal ex CJ of supreme court who was to listen to the AMar SIngh tapes.

    b) Amar SIngh cohorts, his benammis and JayaPrada. Mulayam’s family– Shivpal singh etc

    c) All judges and SDM’s in important positions. And some MPs

    There was a huge outcry. Even the International Dhala and Vinod ji’s seedy friend thought it was prudent to cancle the draw!!

    MORAL of the story: Agar dahla raja banga toh CD se leke drw fake karega… aur
    ————————— Computer ko bhi fix karega

    HA HAHAHAH !!

    Nice to start the Vishwakarma day with a laugh which will take care of my Chivas and JOhny walker hangover….

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  • Anonymous

    @Vijay Khap brain kumar. I have serious doubt if you are from a reputed university or one of those cow belt ones. Amazing . If it is open auction , you dont need a computer, you dont need a programme. You need a container full of balls marked 1 to 10. now it will be given a spin and the five or six balls will drop one by one , depending on the number ascribed to applicants. Whichever number matches will get the plot.NOT ROCKET SCIENCE IS IT. That his MISTRESS and other worthies got it , is because of DISCRETIONARY POWERS.tHIS NEEDS TO BE ABOLISHED ROOT AND BRANCH.
    Another thing Indians need to get rid of that is CYNICISM

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan & Vijay

    It would be great if you could engage in discussions without abusing each other or for that matter anyone else. Just my wish.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    an entirely new concept of abuses has been opened for us by their exchange. Amazing.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    As a principle in life… and especially on a public forum, I have never abused first. But when a Nirodh CHoudhary with a certain type of WOG inferiority complex uses foul language…

    Well the Hindustani dog inside me barks back… :)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    What was the need to use the term “Nirodh CHoudhary”?

    If the other side abuses you – just ignore it.

    This suggestion is equally applicable to the other side.

  • Anonymous

    Dr Shan of “LOOK EVERYONE BUTCH CASIDY LOVES ME” fame, u r upset that I exclude you and invite 3 doctors for wise opinion and exclude u. Look, shenoy and I disagree on Sonia but agree on many things. Dr Mishra and Pankaj disagreed on Hussain painting, Mishraji and Manohar disagree mostly but AGREEon Sonia illness.
    Hint, independence of opinion when backed by wisdom, reading and debating using passion and persuasion, is valuable. Dr shah alam is too congressi, maybe cos as minority, he is insecure, maybe BJP scares him, but he is wise polite and most imp, HE IS PATRIOT WHILE u are professional sneerer White arss licker of pathology severity.
    So sorry Dr Shan I like MOST here do not respect yr abusive shrill persona and did not invite you to Sonia debate Which IS STILL INCOMPLETE
    Shenoy saab I am coming for you. Hehe …

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I did not enter UK at the back of a lorry , or at the pretext of attending fake marriage , or threw my passport at heathrow , then seeking political asylum in uk as being a khalistani I am tortured in India. Nor did I enroill myself in FAKE COLLEGES in Uk or sham marriage , NO I AM NOT LIKE YOUR SORT IN SOUTHALL, I passed PLAB exam which once was conducted amongst 150 Leeds Medical students , ONLY 2 passed. I am also a fellow of royal college of surgeons , which of 700000 sikhs in Uk probably a dozen or so can claim to be same.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay the genital WART , I had only pointed out the glaring stupidity of the exercise . I also gave an alternative which is tamper proof , I did not question the veracity of the process , merely pointed out your HELPLESSNESS in thinking that only a computerised draw is feasible or acceptable.

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  • Anonymous

    Friends, here is a joke I am sure you all would enjoy:

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    R.K. laxman vintage cartoon has been sent by you. Good one.

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  • Anonymous

    DIGVIJAY has attacked Sri Ravi Shankar now…”

    As per MSN news Digvijay Singh has called Sri Ravi as being communal, RSS and the ‘C” plan of BJP.

    I have attended a few camps of Sri Ravi. Nothing very religious. A 1000 sitars were playing that day. A bit of Yoga and meditation.

    I think Digvijay is only digging the Congress’ grave by alienating everyone with his shouts of RSS RSS everywhere. Pretty shameful…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I am fully convinced Digvijay is RSS agents..No one has gives this much publicity to RSS as Digvijay has.

    In fact I am finding more and more people praising RSS for backing up Anna and others.

    It is in the interest of Sonia to sack Diggi else he will dig her grave in 10 Janpath itself.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    She should have the dog house ready for him now.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy and Rajeev

    I think this time Congress will burn out. Anna did not know English.

    Ramdev did not know English.

    Sri Sri ravi speaks English and the English press will get it back. The Times group initially backed Sri Sri.

    Probably they will end up finding Arnab against them. And that is abattle which will chop of the balance votes from them…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Sanjay, Rajeev,

    Ravi Shankar has said thta he would continue to fight corruption.
    I believe instructions have already gone from the high command to the state unit to dig for information on Sri Sri’s court cases on land grabbing.

    Now let us wait and see how they will finish off Sri Sri.

    Anonymous Reply:

    digvinashaaya vinasha kaale’ vipareeta buddhi

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    engrich Reply:

    yoga is a hindu art of deceiving.morning brisk walk is far better than yoga.sri sri runs his racket fro banglore is in hot demand now.hriday samrat of foreigners.for what i dont understand.rss want to use him for deflecting serious issue of hindu terrorism to corruption.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    You seems to be a confused follower of LeT. You should do Yoga.

    Seeminlgy your brains have slid into the lower part of the body…

    In case you do Shirshasaana, maybe your brains will slide up from your bum into your head…

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    engrich Reply:

    You should do Yoga

    one of yoga guru is my tenant.he told me what i wrote.yoga is useless if not done from early age.morning brisk walk is king of all excersizes.u people have hinduised this art.european too have good excersizes.

    engrich Reply:

    digvijay is right,whole game is to shift attention from hindu terrorism to corrution.in 26/11 also brhmnst of IB were main play.they killed karkare to hide fact from next day press conference.chereography of 26/11 was written by these notorious brhmnst of IB.

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  • Anonymous

    Friends,

    on the happy occasion of Diwali, hewre is a ’sher’ on Vinodji:

    ‘O mere blogwale doston, suno, suno,
    Vinodji ka yah blog hai numero uno
    And on TV, he is as famous as Jay Leno
    aur unke dil mein hai ek hi naam, Sonia Maino

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    Vinod Sharma Reply:

    @All blog mates
    Pl accept my greetings for this festive season

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    Anonymous Reply:

    How about some mithai

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  • AshishC

    Prahlad,
    following the money trail is one way. Also, land prices should not be arbitrarily fixed. Allocation rather than auction smacks of corruption.
    You will increasingly see most corruption will become “big-ticket”- will be at the “policy making level”. Which explains why our political class is so allergic to transparency in their decision making process.
    Their defence is that (and I heard Vinod Sharma on a TV panel arguing) that exposing government decision making to public scrutiny will paralyse governance. IMO, unless we bring in transparency to decision making AND expose the decision making process to public scrutiny, we will have these scams go on.
    Let’s take an example- let’s say the government wants to buy a billion dollars worth of military hardware. Now, the technical specs of all military hardware is in the public domain and there should be no problem in making the commercial bids open as well. If we worry about the national security angle (I chose Defence procurement as an example deliberately), let us in these cases chose to make these records public after 2 years rather than wait for 30 years.
    The truly honest have nothing to fear.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    “following the money trail is one way …”.

    In such cases, no money trail is left, bribes are strictly on cash basis. Not the way.

    I am with you on transparency in the functioning of the government. The RTI Act is a small step towards it. Much more needs to be done.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar, Ashish, Prahalad,

    Cash too can be traced in terms of real estate holdings of brothers, sisters, in laws and assosciates.

    The CBI could do it in Balwa aned Kanimozhi case. This was actually thur the banks . But…

    The CBI only worls inder the centre’s direction or the supreme court danda.

    So would it not be wonderful incase there was a dispassionate body which swings into action whenver scandal happens?

    By the way, punishemnt to Kani mozhi would be a good way to punish the powerful. We should not get confuesd by idiots who say

    “forgive her becasue she is a woman.
    woh maa behen aur biwi hai…

    All this nonsense should be thrown out and some big names should spend wome years in jail…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bribes are strictly in cash – generally politicians and people are too clever. They would not leave any trace. Perhaps, Raja & Konimozhi were naive in this matter – on one hand they sold the licences and bribes routed to companies as loans/whatever. IMO, chunk of the bribe would also have been paid in cash – no trace.

    The court case may hinge on linking selling of the spectrum / licences with the loans given by the beneficiaries. The latter, strictly from legal point of view, is above board as Inter-Corporate Deposits and Loans. The prosecution will have to prove the link.

    In case of Raja arbitrarily changing the dates and informing only a select few to issue licences to them, one has to see whether he gets convicted or not. I only hope so he is and spend more years behind bars.

    Law is equal for all, whether one is a woman/mother/whatever – so no mercy be shown to Konimozhi or anyone else, if found guilty.

    Tracing via real estate holdings of relatives can only be investigated as unaccounted source of money in individual cases.

  • AshishC

    A Belated Bright and Happy Diwali !
    Interesting article by an IIM Bangalore Prof, provocative but passionately argued.

    Subject: Why the West is declining and Will Continue to Decline? By Prof. R
    Vaidyanathan

    Ten years ago, America had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it has no
    Jobs, no Hope and no Cash. Or so the joke goes.

    Only, it’s no joke. The line is pretty close to reality in the US. The less
    said about Europe the better. Both the US and Europe are in decline. I was
    asked by a business channel in 2008 about recovery in the US. I mentioned 40
    quarters and after that I was never invited for another discussion. Recently,
    another media person asked me the same question and I answered 80 quarters. He
    was shocked since he was told some “sprouts” of recovery had been seen in
    the American economy.

    It is important to recognise that the dominance of the West has been there
    only for last 200-and-odd years. According to Angus Maddison’s pioneering
    OECD study, India and China had nearly 50 percent of global GDP as late as the
    1820s. Hence India and China are not emerging or rising powers. They are
    retrieving their original position.

    The dollar is having a rollercoaster ride at present. Reuters

    In 1990, the share of the G-7 in world GDP (on a purchasing power parity
    basis) was 51 percent and that of emerging markets 36 percent. But in 2011,
    it is the reverse. So the dominant west is a myth.

    Similarly, the crisis. It is a US-Europe crisis and not a global one. The two
    wars – which were essentially European wars – were made out to be world
    wars with one English leader commenting that ‘we will fight the Germans to
    the last Indian’.

    In this economic scenario, countries like India are made to feel as if they
    are in a crisis. Since the West says there’s a crisis, we swallow it
    hook,line and sinker. But it isn’t so. At no point of time in the last 20
    years has foreign investment – direct and portfolio – exceeded 10 percent
    of our domestic investment. Our growth is due to our domestic savings which is
    again predominately household savings. Our housewives require awards for our
    growth not any western fund manager.

    The crisis faced by the West is primarily because it has forgotten a
    six-letter word called ‘saving’ which, again, is the result of forgetting
    another six letter word called “family”. The West has nationalised
    families over the last 60 years. Old age, ill health, single motherhood –
    everything is the responsibility of the state. When family is a “burden”
    and children an “encumbrance,” society goes for a toss. Household savings
    have been negative in the US for long. The total debt to GDP ratio is as high
    as 400 percent in many countries, including UK.

    Not only that, the West is facing a severe demographic crisis. The population
    of Europe during the First World War was nearly 25 percent and today it is
    around 11 percent and expected to become 3 percent in another 20 years. Europe
    will disappear from the world map unless migrants from Africa and Asia take
    it
    over. The demographic crisis impacts the West in other ways. Social security
    goes for a toss since people are living longer and not many from below
    contribute to their pensions through taxes. So the nationalisation of families
    becomes a burden on the state.

    European work culture has become worse with even our own Tata complaining
    about the work ethic of British managers. In France and Italy, the weekend
    starts on Friday morning itself. The population has become lazy and
    state-dependent. In the UK, the situation is worse with drunkenness becoming
    a
    common problem. Parents do not have control over children and the Chief Rabbi
    of the United Hebrew Congregation in London said: “There are all signs of
    arteriosclerosis of a culture and a civilisation grown old. Me has taken
    precedence over We and pleasure today over viability tomorrow.” (*The
    Times:
    * 8 September ).

    Married couples make up less than half (45 percent) of all households in the
    US, say recent data from the Census Bureau. Also there is a huge growth in
    unmarried couples and single parent families (mostly poor, black women).
    Society has become dysfunctional or disorganised in the West. The government
    is trying to be organised.

    In India, society is organised and government disorganised. Because of
    disorganised society in the West the state has to take care of families. The
    market crash is essentially due to the adoption of a model where there is
    consumption with borrowings and no savings. How long will Asian savings be
    able to sustain the western spending binge?

    According to a recent report in *The Wall Street Journal* (10 October 2011),
    nearly half of US households receive government benefits like food stamps,
    subsidised housing, cash welfare or Medicare or Medicaid (the federal-state
    health care programmes for the poor) or social security.

    The US is also a stock market economy where half the households are investors
    and they have been hit hard by bank and corporate failures. Even now less
    than
    5 percent of our household financial savings goes to the stock market. Same in
    China and Japan.

    Declining empires are dangerous. They will try to peddle their failed models
    to us and we will swallow it since colonial genes are very much present here.
    You will find more Indians heading global corporations since India is a very
    large market and one way to capture it is to make Indian sepoys work for it.
    A
    declining West is best for the rest and also for the West, which needs to
    rethink its failed models and rework its priorities. For the rest—like
    us—the fact that the West has failed will be accepted by us only after some
    western scholars tell us the same. Till then we will try to imitate them and
    create more dysfunctional families.

    We need to recognise that Big Government and Big Business are twin dangers for
    average citizens. India faces both and they are two asuras we need to guard
    against. The Leftists in the National Advisory Council want all families to be
    nationalised and governed by a Big State and reform marketers of the CII
    variety want Big Business to flourish under crony capitalism.

    Beware of the twin evils since both look upon India as a charity house or as a
    market and not as an ancient civilisation.

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    engrich Reply:

    ashish happy diwali.another good piece of writing.

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    AshishC Reply:

    EEEEKS… I did not write this, Prof Vaidyanathan of IIMB did.
    Happy Diwali, Engrich!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    Something to think about.

    I am only wondering whether the West, as we know it, will really decline, I am not so sure. What do you think?

    I am also against big governments (mai-baap sarkar), as I have been articulating it from quite sometime.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Manohar,
    I was expecting at best a tepid reaction; but ah, well :)
    I think the west might decline – though it’s all relative.
    China will rise, in the next 10 years; hopefully the next 20 will be India’s.
    But, the flaw in the Prof’s writing is in that he gave too little importance to the factors that brought the west to where it is today. The rule of law, the institutions, the ecosystem for innovation, the social consciousness, the public spirit, freedom of thought and expression.
    Do we really know another route to greatness? Can we just get there on the strength of our “family values”? Perhaps no.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish

    The highs and lows are relative. If the country has intrinsic strengths and IMO the West and many others including India have these – democratic system is one such, then there is no reason to be worried or be doomsday prophets.

    Perhaps, during the depression, some or many must have written-off USA then. It was not to be, it bounced back.

    The professor I think has gone a bit overboard. Mankind has survived for ages in face of disasters one bigger than the other, so there is no reason if the present woes cannot be overcome.

    Who will dominate the next few decades, only time will tell? Perhaps there would be more equity – no single country or two or three would dominate the rest.

    Ravi Reply:

    COMING SOON

    *******
    The eagerly awaited film HOW THE WEST WAS LOST based on a novel written by Ashish.

    Screen play by the renowned script writer Vijay Kumar Khapodia

    Lyrics by: B.V. Shenoy

    The film – which is entirely shot in the “Ambiance Mall” chronicles the rise of India as the leading second wave dominant power. The highlight of the film will be a few high octane theatrical anti colonial dialogues, delivered in front of masses of audience each on of whom is wondering what the lecture is all about.

    Ashish – Happy Diwali to you and all.

    *******

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @Ravi, ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT
    the film should be renamed
    HOW TO TAKE OUT YOUR FRUSTRATION , WHEN YOU COULDN’T MAKE IT TO USA
    The subtitle, Agony of a east delhi citizen , whose MOST CLASSMATES SETTLED IN USA, leaving him high and dry
    Pertinent to note the breaking news in NDTV ,( which felt like announcing the death of PM) THAT UK WILLONLY ACCEPT 60 INDIAN BANKS STATEMENT WHEN APPLYING FOR VISA TO STUDY IN UK.
    A point by point rebuttal will be offered in coming hours to this DELUSION.
    looks like DIWALI WASN’T THAT HAPPY FOR AshishC.
    ITV just showed day before yesterday the state of earth when each will reach SEVEN BILLION POPULATION.
    And which country did it choose INDIA , particularly LUCKNOW
    LOOKED STRAIGHT OUT FROM A HORROR MOVIE , THE STATE OF UP

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Welcome back Engrich behnoi

    Seems that the dole line was big this time… that you had to wait for 5 days :)

    Yeh kya zindagi hai
    Kaisi bebaasi hai…

    Goron ke tokdon par pal rahen ham
    ga_ _ d par laat khaa rahe hai hum….

    Ravi bhai, live with dignity and swabhimaan.. Look at fellow NRi’s Dr Mishra, Pankaj, Rajeev, Rajiiv. They acknowledge the good and bad parts of India and the west. They believe in dignity, They are not scared.

    I hope you improve this Dewali and give up your fetish of shouting

    Hindu- Hindutva HIndustan
    Main karoonga isko bednaam !

    Cheers for changing you !!

    Vijay

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Pretty funny!

    I hope Ravi keeps his cool and does not divert the whole blog onto himself and the imaginery battle with Hindus.

    Where are you based Vijay. I like your posts. Why dont you and some other bloggers make a compilation? Send me a copy , when you do !

    AshishC Reply:

    I did not write the essay; gosh, I just went and posted the same thing to Engrich!
    Vinod Sharma and Prof Vaidyanathan are old “buddies” – they often meet in TV studios.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Good one.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Very interesting!!

    Now would someone let me know if the above were going to be true in the near future, how is to going to effect the currencies of the western countries vis a vis Indian Rupee? Thanks.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ishwar,
    if I could predict currency futures with a success rate of more than 50%, you think I would be spending time here?

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Excellent.
    Thanks

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Interesting article. I hope the West does NOT decline so fast. We need a democratic military power to hold the world at a sane level.

    Unfortunately China’s ascendency or that of the Mid East fuedal Islamic monarchs could unleash their versions of Taliban on India and the world.

    India does NOT have the balls to tackle the criminal state of Pakistan. In case the west declines and this arc from Saudia to Pakistan becomes a Islamic fanatic hotbed… this would be a permanent zone of unrest.

    Yes, the article is true in some parts. Many many western companies do not have the balls to stand up to genuine manufacturing giants of India and CHina.
    We should use this as an opportunity to forge partnerships with European and American companies.

    Funnily family owned companies– we love to decry them– may just come out trumps. I encounter so many English and Australian businessmen, whose children have no interest in their succesful businesses, that the whole enterprise collpses after some time. Strange. India mein Lala ka beta uski gaddi sabhal laeta hai…

    Its a funny world.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Vijay,
    Yes, India is really interesting- so many of the our businesses buck conventional wisdom.
    - they are conglomerates (salt to software with steel plants and cars in between)- they do NOT stick to the knitting.
    - they are family run- though of course, many of them run with professionals manning most important posts.

    When I was younger, there was a resistance to joining these companies: “Oh, you will never rise to the top!”- but, heck, how many of us will ever make CEO of ANY company anyway? And, how many of us would enjoy that experience?
    Geopolitics is another thing the Prof ignored; all these nice projections can go awry in case of any of the scenarios (Taliban/ China militarizing) that you have outlined.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “……… whose children have no interest in their successful businesses, that the whole enterprise collapses after some time”.

    Then perhaps they are not worth sustaining. Just because Dad was a shrewd and successful businessman is no guarantee that the children will be so or the children want to pursue their life their own way. Paris Hilton is a case in point.

    In fact, most family run businesses have to split up as the next generations cannot see eye to eye. Reliance (the pits), Birlas, Bajaj, etc.

    There is a long list of successful and huge companies/corporations around the world, where today there is no trace of the original founders/promoters. In India, the prime examples is L&T, ITC, Infosys (as of now the children of the original founders seem to be least interested in getting hold of the company – they may inherit the shares and become the largest shareholders). The Tata group is in a class of its own.

    World-wide there many and real global companies – the list too long.

    There is no such thing as one type is better than the other.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    Paris Hilton is a true example of ruin. Her grandad slogged to make the biggest and most succesful hotel chain.

    She wants to be a porn star.

    In a wat symtomatic of the decaying west…

    One day the Hilton chain would be purchaed by the Chinese or the Arabs and they would enoy her blue films…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Aashish,

    Very good article. I always use to wonder how long can US survivice
    with their style of business.
    Buy from me and pay me for the goods by borrowing from me.
    This was bound to fail one day.

    By the way I have copied this and sent it by SMSs to many of my friends,

    “” Ten years ago, America had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Now it has no
    Jobs, no Hope and no Cash. “”

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    AshishC Reply:

    Buy from me and pay me for the goods by borrowing from me.
    This was bound to fail one day.

    I think you make a great point; I would not like to see this as an indictment of capitalism but what can go wrong if folks tend to look at success as an entitlement.
    Yeah, I have received the sms as well.. perhaps it originated from you; haha

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  • Anonymous

    PAY BACK TIME or AN ATTEMPT TO SHATTER THE DELUSION OF GRANDEUR
    As ever “the east delhi citizen” , renowned for SWEEPING STATEMEMENTS and grandelloquient words to parade his hubristic post never EVER comes up with hard data.
    I did some calculation. Current per capita GDP OR INCOME(both are similar may not be same) for UK is 33000 dollars , INDIA 1500 dollars(india ranks 137 BELOW SRILANKA)
    I am making GENEROUS assumption of india’s growth 9% per year(CURRENTLY IT IS 5%)
    I am also assumimg population stabilising by 2050 to 1.7 billion.
    By my calculation India will take another 50 yrs to reach 33000 dollars per capita income.
    NOW THE SPANNER IN THE WORKS
    I am presuming inflation at 5% per annum(CURRENTLY 11%) , IN 50 YRS THAT 33000DOLLAR WILL BE CURRENT 3300 DOLLARS WORTH.
    Now some myth busting exercise.
    In BOMBAYthe divorce rate is 40% IN SOME QUARTERS.(I had previously posted evidence from indian websites)
    Divorce is not a big deal in west. Despite divorce CHILDREN GROW UP NORMALLY.
    I had a WHITE doctor working under me , his parents were divorced , he was far more NORMAL AND CONTENDED than AshishC.
    I had a patient , an ex MP , he didn’t know who his parents were, grew up in orphanage
    (I know this fact from his medical notes)
    STEVE JOBS WAS GIVEN FOR ADOPTION BY AN UNMARRIED MOTHER
    INDIA WILL HAVE TO WAIT 200YRS TO PRODUCE A STEVE JOBS.
    western civilization is bereft of rank hypocrisy, UNLIKE INDIA.
    In bengalee there is a saying PETE KHIDEY MUKHE LAAZ, translated PET ME BHOOKH
    MUH ME LAAZ, given the chance every indian geezer will drop his pants .
    Monogamy is for FREAKS in west. THEY HAVE FREED THEIR WOMEN FOLKS.
    Now laziness in west. Holy Maccaroni , this coming from someone whose dad was CPM, the party who coined the line again in bengalee AASHI JAEE MAINAY PAI , KAJ KORLEY UPRI CHAI, translated Aatey Jaatey Tankha miley , Kam karne ke liye upri chahiyeh.
    I work in a hospital , suppose to start at 0900 hrs , we are there by 0745.
    In India in Govt office expecting anybody before1000hrs , is like expecting pakistan to convict haafiz sayeed.
    Didn’t the PLONKER follow the news at NDTV of 150

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Contd , 150 children dying of encephalitis in muzzafarabad in UP or the NDTV programme HUNGRY KYA , showing SKIN AND BONE people in KALAHANDI AND RURAL MAHARASHTRA

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  • Kumars1

    Kiran Bedi needs advice from Congi stooge Vinod Sharma like a hole in the head.

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar Ji

    Swabhimaan aur abhiman mein bahut farak hai.

    This post of mine mentioned no bad parts of India or of any other country.

    But what my expression lacked, you filled it with your imagination.

    How so very predictable and how so very boring.

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  • Anonymous

    VIJAY, hehe and again hehe, long time no hear such funny one liner on RAVI _ welcome back engerich behnoi. Ravi u will have to admit Vijay also put nice Punjabi tadka on you. hehe
    Now to business DR BIG DONKEY SHAN says divorce does not effect western children, feel like giving this Imbecile ?doctor one large slap. LIAR MISLEADER SHAN of cingulate gyruz asylum, it is UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED HERE IN WEST THAT DIVORCES ARE THE SINGLE MOST TRAUMATIC FACTOR IN THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF BRITONS, children and adults many who are scarred for life.

    Somebody take garbage talking Dr Shan off this blog, his moronic statements are bringing tone of blog down. IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT

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    Anonymous Reply:

    A HUMAN TRAFFICKER CALLED SANDHU SPEAKS

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay khapodia(the name coined by Ravi)
    THAT FAMILY RUN BUSINESS has no guarantee will prosper under the next generation , is very reason the concept of CORPORATION , or INCORPORATED was made into law in USA.
    that is why steve jobs was thrown out despite having founded the company, that is why BILL GATES HAS NO SAY CURRENTLY IN DAY TO DAY RUNNING OF BUSINESS.
    THAT IS WHY IBM, COCA COLA , UNILEVER ARE STILL ROMPING AROUND, whereas all GEONKAS AND BIRLAS HAVE GONE DOWN THE PAN

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  • Anonymous

    @KABUTERBAJ SANDHU , this why VIVEKANANDA SAID IT IS BETTER TO HAVE DIVORCE THAN AN UNHAPPY MARRIAGE

    The hidden plight of Asian women
    By Naresh Puri
    BBC News

    An Asian victim of domestic violence
    Kulwant suffered violence at the hands of her husband

    The BBC’s Domestic Violence Day aims to raise awareness about abuse in the home. It is a problem that also affects Britain’s Asian community.

    Kulwant, aged 20, was starved and beaten by her husband. She hides her face because she fears for her safety.

    She regularly visits the offices of a women’s rights organisation – her support group and her only friends.

    Kulwant left India to join her British-born husband after an arranged marriage.

    “I was very excited about coming to England,” she said. “I thought I would have a great married life and he was from a good family. I was so happy.”

    Suicidal thoughts

    But within weeks of her arrival, Kulwant’s life changed. Her husband became violent, she was forced to sleep on the kitchen floor and the family refused to feed her.

    “I was never allowed to leave the house,” she said. “My husband had mistresses and he would take all my wages and leave me with nothing.

    “My husband hit me with a chair. He was violent. I wanted to commit suicide. I couldn’t go back to India because I would be an outcast.”

    A Sikh temple meeting to discuss domestic violence
    One Sikh community is taking steps to tackle abuse

    Married to an abuser

    Many British-born men go back to South Asia searching for a traditional wife.

    Many of the relationships are successful, but some are violent.

    Meena Patel, of the west London-based Southall Black Sisters, who provide help and support to black and Asian women, said: “When they go abroad they are looking for a wife that will be passive and submissive to their demands – someone who is not going to make too many demands on them and who is not too liberated.

    “When they bring them here they may subject them to domestic violence and use violence to control their lives.”

    Open discussions

    But some Asian communities are beginning to tackle the hidden issue of violence at home.

    At a Sikh temple in Hounslow, west London, community elders and members of the congregation meet women who work with the victims of domestic abuse to discuss the problem.

    “A lot of families collude and they deliberately keep it within the family network and won’t allow – whether it is your sister, your aunt or your sister-in-law – to go and get help,” one woman told the group.

    The main fear for victims is that if they walk out of abusive relationships, they could be forced to leave the country.

    Many women have to suffer in silence.

    The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247. The National Domestic Violence Helpline (run by Women’s Aid and Refuge) can be contacted on 0808 2000 247.

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  • engrich

    Manipulating Men

    In all the ages of man

    There are those who say ‘We can!’

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Make sure the shit hits the fan.

    In all the ages of war

    There are those who shout ‘No more!’

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Wade round in entrails and gore.

    Through all the ages we cry

    As we watch the innocents die,

    And all the while

    Men of guile

    Tell lie after lie after lie.

    When all that is left is a grave

    And no more children to save,

    Then men of guile

    Will smile and smile

    And call our sacrifice ‘brave’.

    When all that’s left is a list

    Of ‘lost in battle – sorely missed’,

    Then with a smile

    Those men of guile

    Still make money hand over fist.

    But when we replace bloody war

    With peace from shore to shore,

    Then no more smiles

    For men of guile

    Because of something called Law.

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    engrich Reply:

    the above is presented to ashish,ravi and shan

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    AshishC Reply:

    even though I am very poor at poetry, this seemed good. I shared this on FB! Thanks

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  • Anonymous

    Indian style secularism in full display in Kashmir-

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Kashmirs-mufti-azam-summons-Christian-priest-to-explain-alleged-conversions/articleshow/10518322.cms

    Kashmir’s ‘mufti azam’ summons Christian priest to explain alleged conversions

    SRINAGAR: Mufti Bashir-ud-din – J&K’s official ” mufti azam”, or head Muslim clergyman – issued fresh summons to a leading Christian priest, CM Khanna, on Friday, asking him to appear before his court to explain his activities of reported conversions of young local boys and girls at his church in Srinagar. Khanna said the mufti was annoyed with him because he had expressed his inability to help the mufti in the admission of a boy to a Christian missionary school.

    Talking to TOI, Mufti Azaam Bashir-ud-din said: “Our shariat court had summoned the Christian priest, CM Khanna, to appear personally today at 11am but he failed to appear. Now we have issued fresh summons to him for personal appearance on November 12.”

    A shariat court has existed in J&K since the early 1960s; Mufti Bashir-ud-din is the judge of the court and the appeal against this court lies in the civil court. Mufti Bashir said that the court was recognized by the state government because of the majority Muslim character of the state. The shariat court, however, has no enforcing agency like police to implement its judgments, he said

    Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”

    The mufti claimed to possess a video cassette purportedly showing Reverend Khanna urging young Kashmiri Muslims to embrace Christianity and asking them to take a dip in a pond inside the church near the cricket stadium in Srinagar.

    “I will take all necessary measures in exercise of the powers vested in me by Islamic shariat,” the mufti said when asked what course he would take if the priest failed to appear in his court.

    “It is a matter of grave concern that Christian missionaries active here should be running an organized and integrated campaign to convert young Kashmiri Muslims to Christianity,” he said.

    When contacted, CM Khanna said : “I am an officiating priest at the Srinagar church and Mufti Bashir-ud-din last fortnight asked me to help him in getting admission to some boy in a Christian school called Tyndale Biscoe school, but I told him that the school was not under my control and he had better approach the principal of the school. He was annoyed over the issue.”

    Khanna said that he had not received any summons and the allegations levelled against him were false and concocted. “I am at present out of state,” Khanna told TOI on the phone.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I think the minorites commission headed by Vinod Sharma should look into this.

    But maybe it wont.

    Instead it would try to get the RSS hand into this…

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    engrich Reply:

    what is wrong in it.in many indian states conversion is banned.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, these trolls should read the Anti-Conversions Acts, enacted by the BJP ruled states.

    Having said that what Mufti Bashir-ud-din is doing is illegal. He has no locus-standi and authority to summon anyone he likes. If he has problem, he should approach the courts of law.

  • Anonymous

    @ Rajiiv

    A very relevent posting. let us see what Vinodji has to say on this. I have a feeling he will keep quiet.

    Of course in the name of secularism…

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ KIRAN’S SEAT FOR DAUGHTER vs Gandhi parivar seat for children ~~~
    =============================================================

    Many of us at times, cannot see the big picture. maybe we are blinded by day to day events or have our vested intersts and career prospects tied to portray things in an incomplete way.

    SO when our dear Vinodji was good enough to point out how Kiran used a loophole to get her daughter admitted into medicine , could he not balance this with the TRUE… MAGNIFIED… 70MM SAGA OF THE NEHRU GANDHI PARIVAR CREATING LOOPHOLES, DAMAGING INSTITUTIONS, FALSIFYING EDUCATIONAL RECORDS…JUST TO GET THE NEXT GENERATION GRAB THE PM’s Seat…

    nehru got Indira in.

    Indira said she needed Sanjay for help, as if a nation of probably 600 million had a shortage of helping hands.

    After Sanjay’s demise she said, there is no alternative, but rajiv !!!

    And after rajiv… Rahul is being presented on a platter…

    All laws of democracy, reason, logic and decency are flouted and state machinery used….

    Wah wha WAH !!

    I ask for comments from

    a) Vinod Sharma — He wont comment as the Rajya Sabha seat is at stake

    b) manohar

    c) Dr Shah Alam — just comparing various alternatives. If Kiran was a clown.. what would you call this Gandhi, Nehru Saga– A Gemini circus?

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    there are two ways of looking at the end of a family business.

    And I am talking about a small/medium enterprise… not the Birla/Tata level. When so much effort has been made… why let it sink?

    because of broken families in the developed world (so called), few children have links with parents. And after 50, the small business owner starts planning his retirement.

    the plus point being that children choose their own career.

    The minus being that there are fewer and fewer companies of small scale operating in these countries…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    Those days are over, when lawyer’s children became lawyers, doctor’s children became doctors, etc. So also with small/medium enterprises. The children today have a mind of their own – if they feel they would like to carry on with Daddy’s business – no big deal. If not, then no big deal either.

    In West, most children move out of their parent’s home once past 18 years of age – probably starting with college/university – they are on their own. They may return later to take-over the family business, else it may be sold off to someone else or just shut shop. Whether it is a good thing or bad – it is their call on it -there is no evidence in support of either of them.

    For example, Bill Gates has already announced that his children will not get even a dollar from the billions he has earned – all will go to charity. They have to make a mark on their own and earn their livelihood. Gates junior later would rather prefer to say – I am, because of my own efforts – not say I am because of my father Gates senior.

    I do not know how you have reached the conclusion that there are fewer and fewer small scale companies in those countries. In all societies, there are always the corner shops/offices, neighbourhood shops/offices, etc. They may be first generation enterprises or nth generation one – does not matter.

    In India, among the well-do sections, there are perhaps similar trends. Otherwise, families tend to remain together on account of poverty and/or lack of opportunities (jobs/trades).

    As I said, one is not better than the other scenario.

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  • Ravi

    Vijay Kumar’s whole post is based on less than 0 understanding of anything.

    Over 80% of SMEs in the U.K. (and the so called West) fail in the year they are started, hardly giving much of a chance for them being handed over to children.

    Those that are successful are usually dependant upon a single large company customer, such as Car Manufacturers or Super Markets etc. Most SMEs are in retailing (read corner shops, kebab shops, resteraunts, etc)

    Significantly, less than 1% of SMEs ever become incorporated and are then launched on the stock market.

    The above is little more than an expression of deeply held prejudices against the west.

    The author would have benefited more from chewing gum as a past-time.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay kumar’s knowledge is zero because he loves the zero.

    Remember Manoj Kumar in Purab aur Paschim singing

    “Jab zero diya mere bharat ne
    Duniya ko tab ginatee aayee… ”

    That could be me.

    Look Ravi, I have some knowledge of engineering export from India, because I am a consultant to an export company. I interact with EU and Australian clients at trade fairs and meetings.

    Unfortunately I have seen more and more UK and EU business clients closing shop or selling out because

    1) There is no-one to take things further… in terms of children

    2) Chinese have set up shop directly.

    3) Enough is enough. I have worked hard for the last thirty years… I want my golf and beer.

    4) The big guys control everything now. no space for us in the market.

    I was basing my assesment on my experiences there and my travels abroad.

    You can disagree. I would stick by my assesment.

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  • Anonymous

    Well spoken.

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  • Anonymous

    @ravi, I once tried to take out a patent on a contraceptive device.during that period i was negotiating with schering if they take up my idea.I found out these big big companies are like big fish. Small companies will innovate and grow up a certain point and in any case these giant fish are there to swallow it. This is how many many small business operate in UK. Remember that company Miss Attitude founded by a sardarji , it used to sell trinckets , the sardar sold it off to some big chain at a good price.
    Guys in delhi LIVE IN A WORLD OF THEIR OWN , DELUSIONAL , SEVERLY COMPLEX RIDDEN.
    INDIA FIRST NEEDS TO MAKE TRANSITION OF ITS AGRICULTURE FROM STONE AGE TO MODERN AGE

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  • Dr Mishra

    CORRECTIONS / AGREEMENTS””””””””””””””””

    1. Manohar, you sound a lil naive when you say that Bill Gates kids will not get a dollar from him. Ten years ago a trust fund was set and millions put in it- various relatives like grand parents involved.
    That does not take away his huge donations to charity.

    2. Vijay is spot on, most small Indian businesses are passed onto kids, unless of course they have become bankers , doctors etc. And yes, because of 45% divorce rates, many white men who are owners of such small companies will retire early, find a young dolly bird to share their wealth with and the kids can go hang.

    3. Bang on Balwinder, divorce destroys families. In 40% of cases where divorce involves kids below 7 years age, THE FATHERS HAVE LOST ALL CONTACT WITH THEIR KIDS over time. I have seen dozens of distraught friends living alone

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    Rajeev mentioned an article reg shariat court in Kashmir . I want a comment by VINOD SHARMA on – why cannot article 370 be repealed by Parliament.

    waiting for your reply VINOD ji

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    engrich Reply:

    mishra jee i awnser ,few more states have same provisions , but rss people dont speak about them because they are not muslim majority states.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Anti White Propaganda being spread by a lay preacher

    T H E – R E A L I T Y – 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Sixth consecutive year the divorce rate has dropped.

    ____________________________________________________________

    UPDATE: the ONS had omitted the divorces per 1,000 population – that data is now included

    Divorce rates are down – as shown by new statistics out this week show that the number of couples who get divorced is dropping.

    The report, published by the Office for National Statistics, show the number of divorces in England and Wales in 2009 – the latest year published – was 113,949, a 6.4% decrease since 2008 when there were 121,708, and the lowest since 1974.

    It’s the sixth consecutive year that the number of divorces has fallen, from a peak of 153,065 in 2003.

    This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Other key findings are:

    • Compared with 2008, divorce rates fell across all age groups for both men and women, while for the fifth year running those in their late 20s had the highest divorce rates

    • In that age group, there were 21.7 men and 25.1 women divorcing per 1,000 married males and females

    • The average age at divorce increased slightly for men and women in 2009 – 44 for men in 2009 compared with 43.9 in 2008, and 41.5 for women compared with 41.4 in 2008

    • Across the UK, the number of divorces fell by 7% to 126,496 in 2009, down from 135,994 in 2008

    Interesting to compare these to the marriage statistics too – but we won’t get the full stats from the ONS until March or April. But they have told us that the divorce rate fell in 2009 to 10.5 divorcing people per thousand married population from 11.2 in 2008.

    The data is below – check out the attached spreadsheet for loads more, including details about children and causes. Can you visualise it for us?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Divorce rate drops are also linked to

    a) people not marrying … but living together…

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    Ravi Reply:

    I guess this is one more issue about which you know precious little.

    Tax breaks encourage people to marry. Co-habitation is on the decline in comparison to marriage.

    I suggest you stick to Manoj Kumar Songs. They are full of swabhiman.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Dr Mishra

    To me UK was at one point a country of my heroes. For me the country of newton, Hookes (of hookes laws) — which I still use , Shakespeare and BBC.

    But having spent a little time there… I was of course charmed by the energy of London, but also dismayed by the turn Society had taken. the broken family worked well as long as royalty was supreme. That somewhere a check on social norms was on. But today… well it is all about individuals.

    Here are a few examples of what intrigued me.

    A client (white) in newcastle proudly told me that his sister lives two rows away but he had not met her for twenty years. “too much hassle… just bump into her at the supermarket once every few years…’

    Another close friend , a dentist from new Zealand now settled in London– had three children at the age of thirty– all from different fathers– and she did not even know where the fathers were now…

    Well one way it was a comic situation for me. But behind the gloss, it did make me uneasy….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Citing stray examples, one cannot generalize the state of affairs. There would equal or more number of positive situations.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I would be the last person to give stray examples. Today too I have a lunch meeting with british docs. I love their sense of humour. Even admie thier thought clarity on the project my partners work on– a combo of biophysics and engineering.

    But somehow feel that their social setup is not doing a bit of good.

    Example: My seventy plus parents who live at my house, would be at the lunch table.

    I can bet my last rupee that though I have dined with the same British docs in Essex, I have never been called to their house. And to put it a bit rudely,,, in many a case(not this one) the parents are not in touch or at a old age home.

    Well, the white anglo saxons were given an assignment to rule the world by queen victoria. But after that mission is over… the society does not set meaningful goals for individuals.

    If you are healthy, sexy and rich… God is with you.

    Not so much otherwise.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr. Mishra

    1) I may sound naive, but you are certainly one.

    Just one link, if you care to read it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1027878/Bill-Gates-pledges-58-billion-fortune-charity–children.html

    2) If the small businesses are passed or not passed onto the children, what is the big deal?

    3) Which law says that an elderly white man is not entitled to find a young dolly bird to share his wealth? If one does that, what is your problem? It his life, his money and his dolly. What is wrong with it? Does that not happen in India and other countries?

    4) Yes, broken families is a problem in many societies, including India, but it cannot be connected to inheritance or non-inheritance of small businesses and trades. Having said that – what about millions of children found begging on the streets in many countries, including India. Then what about so many children (and adults) who do not know where their next meal is going to come from? Do they come from broken families?

    Your linking small businesses being passed onto their children with broken families is suspect to say the least.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    You may have a long wait for a response.

    Dr Mishra does not discuss, he preaches.

    Shoots and scoots.

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  • Anonymous

    =============================================================
    ~~ TIME FOR A SMILE~~~before i crash into bed ~~~~~
    ——————————————————————————————————————-

    The downside of the sexual revolution
    Only copulation… and no population….

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  • Anonymous

    Few other examples of Jinnahism practiced by muslims and Islamic party Congress-

    Muslims issue ultimatum to Congress on quota
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslims-issue-ultimatum-to-Congress-on-quota/articleshow/10473862.cms

    Cong to focus on Muslim areas ahead of UP polls
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Cong-to-focus-on-Muslim-areas-ahead-of-UP-polls/articleshow/10467842.cms

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  • Dr Mishra

    Balwinder and Vijay are right- family breakups are an epidemic in UK and US

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5056489/Nearly-half-of-children-born-out-of-wedlock-official-figures-show.html

    Living in sin is quite common, and here breakups are more common than in married couples. To say that the absolute numbers of divorces are down is to have completely missed the point.

    Ravi this is the article youhave quoted – http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/jan/28/divorce-rates-marriage-ons

    I cut and paste – ‘ This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people ‘

    I think you owe Balwinder an apology. I echo his amazement – do you really live in UK. Every second white person I know here comes from a broken home.

    In the UK riots of 2011- nearly all were black or white- no Indians, chinese or Jews- and more than half of rioters had previous records and most came from broken families- Boris Johnson, Lord M Desai and David Cameron have already written on that

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    This is from Balwinder’s post

    The figure of 10 divorces per thousand ppl was from 1977.

    The operative word here is FROM 1977. My understanding is that he is suggesting the figures belong to the year 1977. This is clear from the fact that he is stating that to contradict me.

    Whilst this is from the article I posted.

    This is the lowest rate since 1977, when there were 10.3 divorcing people per 1,000 married people.

    Now by your own boast, you are not only a medical Doctor, but you also have a P.Hd.

    What sense does the sentence I quote convey.

    I suggest that you focus on the words rate and since and think of velocity of decline.

    Meaning that divorce rates has been declining for the last 7 years and that the RATE of decline was 6.4% in 2009 (the last year for which data is available) and that this rate was lowest since 1977. Meaning that the decline was steeper prior to 1977.

    You are little more than a propagandist.

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  • Dr Mishra

    @ mMANOHAR

    I amtired so quick reply only

    1. The article you have quoted is wrong. The trust fund for Gates’s sprogs was set up 10 years ago with twenty million per child- relatives including grandparents as trustees. Somehow, here in the west in recession, I cannot quite see the gates kids on the dole or taking loans haha.
    And I DO NOT GRUDGE THEM THAT- even their ‘invisible’ security costs millions – they ARE PRIME TARGETS FOR ABDUCTION.

    Sorry when I called you lil naive, it was in an affectionate way, not insulting.
    Ravi- repeat- when I discuss anything with Manohar man to man, then please do not – like a jenana -throw barbs from behind a veil- I will answer Manohar when I have the time

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Mishra

    This is a public blog and your predilection of shooting and scooting is well known.

    I can quote.

    Why did you feel you could interfere between me and Balwinder but I am not able to do the same between you and Manohar.

    I do not hear any objections from Manohar.

    Furthermore, your snide comment to me is concealed in a message addressed to Manohar.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh! I see. The newspaper is wrong (well it may be), would you care to point a link about US$ 20 million for their children? I will stand corrected.

    Gates was one example, there could many more. On the other hand, there would be equal number or more where the bulk of the estate is left to the children. So no big deal.

    I think you have missed out the gist of my response – one cannot draw conclusions between inheritance of small businesses and broken families.

    Your homily to Ravi is totally uncalled for. This is an open blog and you (not being the owner) cannot set the rules of engagement. Also have look at some of your fellow travellers – who barge in with totally inane, irrelevant and idiotic interventions, and barbs (I have no problem as I ignore them) – you seem to have no problem with that.

    In fact, more the varied views on a topic so much the better. If you do not like some views/posts, just ignore them.

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  • Anonymous

    Hehe as ishwar says this blog hs come alive. I am laughing so much I will fall off. Again Rravi why u behave like zenana saying catty stuff from behind chilman.
    hehe today both vijay and mishraji have skewered u like kebab.
    Listen puttar, when manohar and punditji cross swords, stay out.
    But when u, vijay and I discuss divorce rates in UK then others can join debate with facts.

    GET THE DIFERENCE, no, never mind, I am still chukling at zenani insult

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    Ravi Reply:

    Balwinder

    I am glad that you are titillated by the jibe.

    Since you make no attempt to discuss the point about – From 1977, I assume that you concede it.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Mishraji;
    Some jiyales have come back from vacation. No problem. I know, you can handle them.

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  • Anonymous

    This geezer Mishra and his sidekick balwinder has as much merit in their posting , as
    hafeez sayed has concern for india.Hungary has HIGHEST divorce rate nearly 50%, till recently not even a western country , ITALY pretty low rate of divorce , yet the LAND OF MAFIOSO AND INSTITUTIONALISED CORRUPTION.Germany divorce rate is similar to UK , YET THE POWERHOUSE OF EUROPE.
    LOT OF DIVORCE IN WESTERN COUNTRIES TAKE PLACE WHEN THE CHILDREN ARE GROWN UP .There are innumerable example of VERY HIGHLY SUCCESFUL people from divorced families.
    NOW SOMETHING FROM INDIA , TO MAKE PANDIT WITHDRAW HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS AND RUN
    % Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

    By Sam George
    Published 02/21/2008

    Sam George

    Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International – a non-profit initiative to address the needs of youth and families of Asian Indian origin in North America and to the Asian Indian community worldwide. Parivar means family in many Indian languages. Sam George also serves as one of the founding directors of Urban India Ministries

    Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

    Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Dr Shan

    Dr Mishra is not interested in scholarly studies, he bases his attitudes on anecdotal evidence. Since three of his 4 friends are divorced, then the divorce rate in the UK is 75%. Who are you and I to argue.

    I see no point presenting him with FACTS, for he has no capacity to recognise them.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Ravi attacks Vijay- ‘ Tax breaks encourage people to marry. Co-habitation is on the decline in comparison to marriage ‘

    Complete rubbish, with what I see around me- whether nurses, porters or doctors- MORE COHABIT THAN MARRY.

    http://www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/Blog/2011/03/Lower-divorce-rate-but-still-too-high/

    …………Well, one simple contributing factor could well be that the marriage rate is falling too! While I don’t believe this to be the only reason, it is fact that if there are fewer marriages there will be fewer divorces. ………..There is also the issue that though fewer people may be marrying, leading to fewer divorces, that means there are more couples living together and so need of advice on things like living together agreements. Related to this…..

    SO VIJAY YOU WERE SPOT ON, rarely have I known you to be wrong

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  • Anonymous

    @ Ravi

    It may be funny to you make fun of my patriotism. From My eyes, if you find other societies so perfect… why are’nt you at their blogsites?

    And as far as patriotism goes, you of course can sing
    “pakistan ka matlab kya…” :)

    And feel like Manoj Kumar….

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    If the high tide mark of your patriotism is a Manoj Kumar song, then I am sorry, it is funny.

    I suggest that you improve your English and see if you are able to draw the subtle distinction between JINGOISM and PATRIOTISM.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I know the difference well enough.

    However I wish you would check out the meaning of “cronyism”, “anti-nationalism,” “pro-wahabbism” “anti-Hinduism…”

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    Ravi Reply:

    And you believe that I practice all of them.

    Care to quote me.

    Or is this a shoot and scoot.

    You are pathetic and a sore looser.

  • Anonymous

    @ Dr Mishra

    Thx. My comment was really not of making a mockery of British society today. but more of despair that riots and looting should happen in a society which was once a role model.

    I think it is very easy to say that the rich will get their dolls. But on the flipside the older women do remain… single and lonely.

    Well in my view… the traditional overbearing attitude of Indian style parenting needed to change.

    But the complete lack of parenting too is no ideal…

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    Ravi Reply:

    Vijay Kumar

    Just for your information.

    Poor People Rioting in the UK goes back centuries, it is not a new phenomenon.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    So you think the London riots were part of the great British traditions like football, Shakespeare, beer at the pub, Sunday sermon at church ?

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    Ravi Reply:

    That is for you to decide.

    Just filling in the gaps in your knowledge.

    Riots are a part of urban societies all over the world.

    What is objectionable is your linking of recent Riots in the UK to Broken Family issue. You are an engineer and not a social scientist.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay, Dr. Mishra, Balwinderji,

    Why take this moral high ground. ” We are better because of less divorce rate, they abandon their childeren more than we do, their intake of
    drugs and alchohal is more than us etc. ” Why cant we just say that
    we are different . Their morals and our morals are probably different.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mohan,
    that’s pretty much the way I look at it as well.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish and MOhan

    I would never moralise. Just giving my observations…

    It is a highly competitive world. First the japanese, then the Koreans and now the Chinese are taking over the manufacturing industry and the financial systems. My point was that highly unstable families will hardly produce progenies who are going to fight out the world markets.

    Happiness too cannot be really related to the number of partners,,, you have had.

    The chase of sexual adventure was at one point the sole subject of books, magazines, films and internet. But at the end of the day, in case sexual adventure is leading ot falling populations and uncared for children… maybe it is not the right ideal.

    Just a question of looking at the world in a different manner.

    AshishC Reply:

    the older women do remain… single and lonely
    What? Do we hear that our Vijay no longer is of an age that he falls for older women?
    That explains it.
    (Sorry, Vijay. Sometimes the devil in me takes over!)

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish

    Well I am not going to say… what I do… when the devil inside me takes over !

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    about your yesterday’s post on Kiran Bedi’s getting a medical seat for her daughter from the north-east quota, let me remind Vinod Sharma that Priyanka Gandhi too joined Jesus And Mary College under the college’s sports quota, even though Priyanka had not so much as come anywhere near a play ground in her life till then.

    And Nehru gave complete reins of his office to Indira Gandhi long before he himself became paralysed. Those days there was no PMO, and the office was run as a private enterprise.

    The presidentship of the party too went to her not by any election but by Nehru’s nomination. Just as she later appointed Sanjay Gandhi as her assistant, Nehru too chose Indira Gandhi as his assistant. He also took her with him on all his official visits abroad and within India too.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy and Manohar

    Shenoy you are right. Priyanka getting a college seat on sports quota is as bad as Mani AIyar claiming that he is a writer as good as R K Narayan and getting the Rajya Sabha seat.

    Manohar, Shenoy is right. Nehru had got Indira into politcs after her breakup with Feroze Gandy. K A Abbas’s book on Indira– the return of the red rose, specifically says that first she came into help “papu” and then slowly gained experience to independently take decisons. While Nehru, with his knowledge of history probably did not believe in dynastic succession, he did aid her ascent including the YOuth Congress bit.

    And of course, Indira remembered this lesson well and made Sanjay the president of the Youth Congress.

    Rest of the history is well known to all of us. It is for you to intrepret whther her giving Sanjay and then Rajiv the launch pad is as fair as Atal Bihari Vajpayee, fighting for 50 years in the opposition.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    1) Of course, for you, a “guru” will always be right, no doubt about it. Be my guest.

    2) Were any rules and laws broken, when the launch pads were laid out?

    3) When no rules and laws were broken, you take recourse to Fairness and Unfairness of it all. It was bad luck that Vajpayee had to wait for 50 years in opposition. And it was double bad luck that during his tenure the RSS/Modi orchestrated Gujarat 2002 and the rest of the nation said enough is enough. What about Advani? Poor man, he has been waiting for close to 60 years now – that too must be very unfair. Right? What else is unfair in Indian politics?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    I don’t think you should take it personally. I always try to be dispassionate. C’mon… are you suggesting that Atal’s ascension was as easay as Rajiv being chosen by Indiraji?

    Or Rahul being chosen as the heir by Soniaji?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Oh!, I never take such things personally.

    Vijay, one could say it is a matter of ‘Kismat apni apni’.

    What happens in the Congress Party is because of the sycophants. Whether it is fair or good or ugly or evil or whatever, it does not seem to matter to the voters of this country – it keeps returning to power, in spite of all its faults, bad governance, etc., because whenever others were given a chance – they 1) did not last long enough and/or 2) messed it all up – Janta Party 1977, VP Singh 1989, NDA 1998/99, etc. A question of choosing lesser of the multiple evils.

    In spite of all the scams and inertia in the present dispensation – chances are that they will still come back to power in 2014, because the only challenger, the BJP, is busy scoring self goals one after the other.

    The end of this government was predicted when Mukherjee – Chidambaram spat was in full swing. and the current prediction is that by taking on Kiran Bedi the death knell of this government has been sounded. Fool’s paradise, anyone?

    You could say it could be the TINA factor. I wish there was a creditable alternative to the Congress, but alas, where is it?

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    You are right that the vipaksh did make a mess of opportunity right till 1999. However I would rate the NDA government of Atal as being far superior to the present and most of the earlier Congress governments.

    Non Congress parties like TDP and Nitish as well as the BJP have ruled well in states.

    I personally dont have nythign against the Congress. but we need at least two credible paritea so that a single party does not take things for granted. or try to fool all of us that that a dynasty is the only option India has…

    Anonymous Reply:

    “However I would rate the NDA government of Atal as being far superior to the present and most of the earlier Congress governments”.

    That is your opinion and I have no issue with it.

    Then ask yourself, why did NDA lose in 2004 (*) and then with further reduced margin in 2009?

    * If you wish me to tell you specifically, let me know – I will spell it out.

    Anonymous Reply:

    In my view… the fake sting of Tehelka and mismanagement of jayalalitha and Karuns.

    But let me know ur opinion.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    this “self proclaimed outstanding debater”, when he can’t counter you on your nailing the duplicity of the Anna-is-a-clown brigade, has to resort to Modi bashing!

    This congressie foot soldier conveniently forgets what Rajiv Gandhi, after getting “nominated” to the PM’s post as dynastical ascension to the throne. On the very first day of his disastrous rule of India, orders the massacre of 4000 innocent men, women and even children belonging to the Sikh community!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Even Rahul got admission in St. Stephen in Sports Quota. He was described as ace shooter…

    Cooruption is way of life in India..The only problem is people tend to notice others’ corruption.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Ace shooter- one who shoots his mouth off

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    But, he puts something back too, his foot.

    AshishC Reply:

    yes, again, I miss the smileys!

  • Anonymous

    Rajeev, Vinoo,

    “Mufti Bashir-ud-din said: “I have received the complaint that the said priest, CM Khanna, is involved in converting young Muslim boys and girls to Christianity. This warrants action as per Islamic law. So we summoned him to appear before the shariat court to explain his position.”"

    I believe the shariah law is applicable only on Muslims. It is not clear under what clause of the sharia the mufti has “summoned” the reverend Khanna.

    It is also not clear why the reverend has not told the mufti go buffalo grazing. From his response, it looks like he is scared of facing the mufti.

    But, it is very clear that when the Muslims are in majority, a different set of laws become operational about which NHRC or NCM can do little, to protect the rights of the minorities.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    I quoted to you NSO stats, and you presented the rants of 3 Tory politicians.

    Vijay is absolutely wrong and you would know that, if you READ what I posted.

    BUT you do not read.

    The stats clearly states per 1000 married people, that means, that divorce rates quoted do not include in them people who are living together, but are not married.

    Divorce is a legal dissolution of a marriage and does not count separation of couples living together.

    It is sad to see you squirm.

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  • Ravi

    Dr Mishra

    It is self evident that you have little to no grasp of Statistics.

    Divorce rate quoted was a PERCENTAGE, and not an absolute number. It is true that fewer marriages will result in fewer divorces, but by itself that will leave the RATE of DIVORCE un-affected.

    Vijay is wrong, in fact he is hardly ever correct.

    Law firms are impacted by the absolute numbers of divorces, for obvious reasons – proportions are better indicators of trend.

    The trend for the last seven years is that the rate of divorce is coming down.

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  • Anonymous

    Ravi, u hv very bad habit. When caught with blooper, u twist n turn n dive n duck, YOU CONFUSE WITH VERBOSITY AND BARRAGE OF POSTS.
    Now read
    1. More ppl live together than marry
    2. Family breaks, either divorce or otherwise, are over 40 percent
    3. This breakup trend is not declining.
    Now go to mirror and say
    1. Vijay is right
    2. Vijay is nice man, not jingoistic
    and now stop crying

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    ..most like sweet boy vijay

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    Dr Mishra Reply:

    haha copying your style praaji

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    Ravi Reply:

    Do I hear the sound of shenai

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    Ravi Reply:

    This is not worthy of any serious response.

    Unsurprisingly you missed the point.

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  • Anonymous

    Hehe Mishraji u may be MBBS but I am PHd in jokes. But you are learning, “”"”vijay is sweetboy”"”, I like that.
    Now listen Ravi bhai, u have been skewered like sheesh kebab by vijayand two others in lst 24 hours, pl pray that your old nemesis MR SHENOY does not come and deliver coup of grace
    zenana hehe I am still laughing. Take in spirit puttar

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    Anonymous Reply:

    You are pure and simple CABBAGE

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  • Anonymous

    Reactions from the people who have seen Ra-One.

    Crocin, Disprin, Combiflam, Adol, Panadol and all headaches tablets stock
    is over after RA-One release.

    Rahul Gandhi to meet people affected after seeing RA-One.

    Vijay this for you. All bachelors must see Ra-One to understand what pain means
    to married man.

    Get Ra one under Lokpal and punish everyone who made this movie.

    Salman to SRK ‘ Mujh par ek ehsaan karna, dubara aisi movie mat banana “

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Mohan

    As usual… you made me :)

    so in the end RA-one pleases No-one…

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  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    This will get the SMUG B pandit mishra and his sidekick, the dim , sandhu , withdraw their tail between their leg and run
    40% Divorce Rate In Mumbai, India

    By Sam George
    Published 02/21/2008

    Sam George

    Sam George is the Executive Director of PARIVAR International

    Three different friends of mine send me this report from the Times Of India. It says that 2 out of 5 marriage are officially breaking up in Mumbai. No one know how many unofficial divorces takes place… those who sever the relationship and decided to separate without legal hassles.

    Sociologists have blamed it on the hyper-urban lifestyle. Often as a result of time-starved relationships. 8-10 hour work days plus 2-3 hrs of commute, leaves couples with very little quality time at their disposal in nurturing the marraige. Other blame on extra marital relationships and some even on the influence of Bollywood culture in Mumbai. Whatever be the case, Mumbai is not financial and film industry capital, but continue to be trendsetter in new sociological upheavals.
    http://www.southasianconnection.com/…/40-Divorce-Rate-In-Mumbai-Indi...

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  • Anonymous

    Well RA One is made with 2Gscam money of Shahid Balwa,
    As they say CHORI KA MAAL kabhi huzum nahi hota

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shan,

    Kalyug hai bhai mere,
    ab chori ka maal hazam ho jata hai.

    I am sure producers of the movie will make or have already made profit
    on this venture.

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~~ BREAKING NEWS !! ~~EINSTEIN had joined RSS !!~~ EINSTEIN was RSS !!~~
    ==============================================================
    —————- as per RA- V1 ~~~~~ !!

    According to a certain RA-V1 who lives by cliches, believes in invoking RSS RSS at every corner, all persons with walrus moustaches are RSS members.

    Influenced by such a bombastic theory of relativity linking moustaches to Hindutva, Amul Baby and Digvinash Singh– the DOn quixote and Sancho Panza — set up a core committee of the Congress to hunt for such people all over the world so that the CBI, ED, IT and most of all Tajendar and Engrich could be sent there for attack.

    This core committee, headed by one RA- V1 finally concluded that Albert Einstein, with his famous drooping moustaches of an old walrus was the most famous and popular RSS member.

    Last heard of Digvinash Singh, Amul baby are hunting where Einstein lives and Engrich and Tajendar along with RA-V1 are on racing along their horses…. !!

    Happy hunting RA-V1 !!!!

    HA AHHAHAHA !!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Coming from a man who:

    1. Is able to draw a direct relationship between Riots and Broken Homes.

    2. If you don’t like Manoj Kumar songs, then you are a Wahabi

    3. Indian society is a model of perfection, no criticism is needed.

    4. Can see 8% growth but none of the poverty

    5. Whose travel between Noida and Gurgaon is nothing less than a cliche.

    This is a gem

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    Thx! I knew you would appreciate this!

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    Ravi Reply:

    Each cliche you ooze, you reveal that much more of your pathetic self.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ravi

    I bow to your superior wisdom. Wherever and whenever you meet uncle Albert Einstein– on earth or in heaven, please take his autograph on my behalf !

    And congratulate him for keeping his RSS affiliations so secret that only you and Engrich could trace them out !

    Anonymous Reply:

    As an admirer of walrus Einstein I am donning his walrus… here goes!

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Vijay

    Really funny ! I noticed that Ravi was sniping at you in each of his posting. You have really answered him well… without getting vulgar.

    That is wha good debating and good fun all about…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Sanjay

    Thanks Sanjay!! Just needed a kick up to deflate a cliched, pompous stuck in the groove record.

    I think in the interest of good debating humour sends in the message faster than light…

    Anonymous Reply:

    Really, really great, honestly.

    Now for helping the party trace the link between Einstein and RSS and for services rendered, Digvinash might recommend to Amul Baby to soften the party’s stand on all Islamic fundoos some of whom are freely roaming here on the blog.

    Anonymous Reply:

    2 Shenoy

    I hope the COngrss does not send up a high level core committee under RA-V1 to examine whther The RSS was behind the gadaffi ki gusthakhi, and Saddam ka kalyan…

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy Sahab and VIjay

    Einstein is indeed an intriguing figure.

    As a CA, we always talk about what others do… auditing accounts of other people and so on.

    but Einstrein was a genius. Can we compare steve jobs with him?

    Anonymous Reply:

    Ha, ha, ha, ha.

    good one, Vijay Kumar. You Sci-fi is getting better and better and getting the better of gate-crashers.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Sir, your comments are truly inspiring. As I am told– by MOhan– that RA-1 is going to flop. I am now tempted to approach Sharukh with the storyline of RA-V1

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    engrich Reply:

    vijay rss is biggest centre of sodomy in india einstein being jew could be homosexual ur member.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Engrich

    Are u hunting for Einstein along with RA-V1? (ravi) . Double whammy… RSS bhi aur Jew bhi…

    Wah bhai wah… ab toh jannat pakki… ;)

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay Kumar,

    you said, “The downside of the sexual revolution
    Only copulation… and no population…”

    too much of copulation leads to revulsion
    less propulsion leads to expulsion.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    A real deep meaning !

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Nice one .

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  • Anonymous

    Mohan rangaswamy, good point. WESTERN BROKEN FAMILIES, why we comment.
    Puttar let me explain. Indian culture was mercilessly caicultered and dissected for decades here in UK. Why cant be do same in reverse ? Politely?
    Although to be honest, last 15 years, Brits grudgingly admitted that Indians have srable, families, kids do excellently at Univ and we buggers makr lotsa money.
    They see our eomen doing karva chauth pooja….which reminds me, oye wifey, how come you dont pooja me every year? Wheres your mehendi, woman ?
    see bloggers how tough Sikhs are

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Bloody woman, is throwing belun again. Tell you, maybe like white man I should get nice sexy Thai takeaway

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Balwinder

    Good that you ducked the belun!

    My girlfirend has got good aim. Even if I look sideways… i get a killer look from her…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji/Vijay,

    You both are lucky. The belan which my wife uses is made of steel.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Balwinderji,

    You have your views and I have mine. Thats the beauty of this blog that every one
    has a different view on all the subjects which are discussed here, thats why
    everybody likes to visit this blog. What will be the fun if all will have similar views.

    SUCCESFUL MARRIAGE IS NOT THE MEETING OF SIMILAR MINDS
    BUT IT IS THE MEETING OF UNLIKE MINDS WHO LEARN TO ENJOY
    THEIR DIFFERENCES.

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    engrich Reply:

    WESTERN BROKEN FAMILIES

    they`are victim of zoinists thought.they are replacing lust with love.giving freedom to children an wife.weakening the control of husband and father on them.so that they can be used for homosexuality and lesbenism.feminism was promoted by rockfeller to break family get children available for indoctrination.people say u have to be gay to survive in some industries.homosexuality is price worth paying to remain in corridor of power.the promotion of homosexuality is one strand of larger long term plan to destroy family it is one satanic aspect of some supermacist talmudic jews to remove harmony value of love friendship ships and healthy relationships.and replace them with them with fragmentation ,distrust and perversity.
    pornography is run by zoinist jews again to undermine classical family values and destroy the innocence of love and relationship and devalue men attitude towards women by objectifying them.
    homosexuals have proved themselves to be susceptible to alternaive view on sexuality and so are promoted.

    the break up of family unit is just is just larger extension of the divide and conquer methodology which most of us donot perceive.which is why it is so succesfull.
    i questioned a zoinist that homosexuality can be at the root so many of our ills and about its presence in highest corridor of power.he awnsered that homosexual part is just oa component ,equally important is pedophilia,bribes ,blackmail,promise of power.

    if u have weaknesses u are allowed in corridor of power because u acn be controlled .

    strauss kahns little friend had sex with him dozens of time before,but when it was needed her real role came to foe.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    People interested in anti corruption movement will find this article interesting. friends, if you have time have a dekko.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    Very good article. Tks for the link.

    UPA is digging its own grave by going after the members of Anna team.
    Most of people have understood their game.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mohan. Yes, both articles give a different perspective and support the anti corruption drive.

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  • Pankaj#1

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/who-are-the-real-cronies/867007/0

    For serious bloggers only. Friends, who are interested to understand cronies

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  • Anonymous

    Just wondering..Is the topic of divorce relevant to topic on hand i.e. corruption?

    I don’t take statistics as absolute proof. Your own personal experience should form your opinion.

    How many of you have relative/close friends/co-workers who are divorced or separated? What was the number just few years back?

    We Indians should come out of this mindset that our culture is SUPREME…No it is not..It is basically Kichdi culture where most of the middle class people are wannabe..They either want to be seen as Brits/American in brown skin or Arab..No one seems to be interested in India identity.

    I know many desis who pretend to enjoy Christmas and feel uncomfortable celebrating Indian festivals…

    Indian patriotism is all phony..

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Rajeev,

    As usual you will call spade a spade.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    I try.. Thanks :)

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bloggers;
    In the context of Maruti shifting to Gujrat, Modi’s win versus Haryana’s haar.
    So government in Haryana did not intervene early? why the situation was allowed to deteriorate to such an extent. Was Huda not supposed to govern? Haryana has nothing except proximity to Delhi and only lately, some IT activity. Haryana’s only world class industry was made to flee? Why? What were the issues?? To my knowledge, issue was that of discipline, management was not ready to tolerate threats and intimidation of workers. Who lost ultimately, workers and public at large, which had one important avenue of employment next door. But government with an eye on workers’ vote in election, did not act. There is monetary corruption and then there is corruption for votes, which was best exemplified by V.P. Singh. This is practiced by every party but obviously some parties are specialists here.

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    engrich Reply:

    fruits of development in gujrat are not reaching to needy.it is circulating within a certain section of society.poverty is increasing.that way mayawati has done better.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Engrich/ Tajinder;
    What grudge you have against Jews/ Hindus/ Christians?
    You say, Muslims are best. OK, You are muslim, Dalit Muslim, as I gather it. Try to rise above being Muslim, it is only a religion which says something good and something bad. It is time to think like a human. I can engage with you, if you come out of your straitjacket. Can discuss everything under Sun ranging from Muslim belief, hindu Belief or Christian belieif, as a lay person. I am not some theologist. I can say things just like a lay person but your prejudice against Hindus, jews or christian leave no scope for discussion. You always site short comings, no solutions.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj,

    You are wasting your time and energy.

    engrich Reply:

    mr pankaj i dont have grudge against anybody.i am only against hindu muslim and christian zoinists.as they are curse to society.last time i wrote how zoinism is destroying family in europe and america.now in india divorce has become common.
    their entire usuary based financial and social system is inhuman and need change.
    solution can be found through discussions.u have seen the end of ghaddafi,when he tried changes.now parasitic european american firms are ordered to go libya and dig gold.it is golden time.nato finishing their operation on howleen day.
    40000 sorties on civilian population killed 200000 people apart from destruction of almost all schools hospitals brought no reaction from our civil society.
    ur only sympathy was for salman taseer.
    u challange my points.i never speak lie to win discussion.regarding beliefs,islam judaism and christianity have almost common beliefs.islam being last of these three religion is reformed form of remaining.name of jesus(peace be upon him)is mentioned in holy quran more than 100 times.

    i am not against hindu beliefs,i amy disagree with them but i respect them.i am against rss.as it is gang of voilent homosexuals exploiting hindus to achieve their worldly aims.like wahabism and christian zoinism.

  • Anonymous

    @Engrich, I swear by almighty, the cases of husband abandoning their wife and children is rife amongst sikhs and pakistani punjabis . HOW MANY PATIENT I HAVE SEEN , helpless women , either drunkard husband , or physical abuse or mother in law torture.THERE HAVE BEEN QUITE A FEW MURDERS ALL PUNJABI , EITHER SIKH OR PAKISTANI. people living in glass houses should not throw stones at others.
    As for that bundar balwinder, HE HAS TAKEN BRITISH CITIZENSHIP, but being a gaddar (like beant singh trait) is always criticising the Brits.
    The Filth that I see amongst the sikhs here is undescribable.
    ISLAMIC SOCIETIES ARE THE VILEST SOCIETY EVERYWHERE,

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    engrich Reply:

    ISLAMIC SOCIETIES ARE THE VILEST SOCIETY EVERYWHERE

    u cannot generalize this in bihar and up i never saw any muslim leaving his wife.actually bigamy is more rampant among hindus.women in muslim society are well protected.every system has some shortcoming.as per datas bengladesh ladies are ahead in every field to the ladies of wb.

    i would like ur comment on broken families i wrote here under..zoinists ne europe aur america kee ladies ko nanga kar diya.
    regarding punjabis.this is the only race whose dying statement is not accepted in court.this is the judgement of english judge of lahore high court.
    actually they came first in contact with britishers,so they have aquired their habits.

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  • Anonymous

    @pankaj#1, The things that multinationals do and get away with it is only possible in india.Reflect on your home country. How many times workers have sued JAPANESE , cos like mitsubishi and Honda , on frivolous issues , mostly trumped up charges of sexual harrasment and all sorts of BS. Dont think the **** dared to move away from USA.This is the difference between third world and first world.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    with a lot of trepidation, i am answering you. frankly speaking, i could not understand your point. seriously. I am in Industry and on managerial level, where I manage certain numbers of people. we go out of our way to keep our employees happy. Apart from government control, legal redressals and host of other avenues available for workers to fight injustice, insubordination, willful damage to the organization and becoming parasite , feasting on it are not tolerated even here. so there are enough check and balances. Please be more specific, whether you are agreeing with me, On what points? or you are disagreeing with me, On what points? Civil Shan is always welcome to interact.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @pankaj#1, shan is civil to civilized , one thing shan cannot stand is SMUGNESS and POSEURS.
    Now coming to your point.US laws are stringent AND UNION IS MASSIVELY POWERFUL.But US companies treat their employees like a crown prince. The benefits are too generous.
    In case of India REFLECT ON TATA, this b as tard ran roughshod on shin and bone destitute farmers in singur.
    regarding maruti , they were using lot of CASUAL LABOUR , which i am not sure would be allowed in USA.
    ALSO ALL THE TALK OF MODI THE BUTCHER , HOW ABOUT ALL THE INDIAN BUSINESS HOUSES MAKING BEE LINE IN GUJRAT
    AMBANI LOOKING FORWARD TO NARENDRABHAI AS PM

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shan;
    Sorry, I am still confused. You may or may not like to interact with an imbecile, but I still do not get your point. If you are speaking about TATA as a *******, where I go from here? I do not know of any company who treats its employees better. I have some Bengal connection, so, please do not treat me in total disdain. I know about Bengal, its literature, its sociology and general set up. Let us not go there. We are talking things in global perspective. Your last three lines, leave me more confused than ever. Money does not respect any ideology, it just respect PROFIT. Capital is the most coward entity on face of Earth. I am not saying Capitalist. It is CAPITAL.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj ji,

    for some of the super debaters here, Tata is a *******, Anna Hazare is a clown, Kiran Bedi is nautanki, Modi is a butcher, Rajiv Gandhi is a saint, Sonia Gandhi is a goddess.

  • Anonymous

    Sharmaji,
    Your IT folks have almost assuredly wasted this blog. Visiting the blog after several days I am unable to get head and tail of the discussions happening around here. Last I knew they were using Wordpress blog engine. What happened since then ? Why Disqus suddenly ? Wordpress blog engine has good history features . So what went wrong ?
    Here is a suggestion – get one of them , somebody good enough to participate in the discussions . Let the person post a few comments (political affiliations don’t matter) , which are good enough that those comments will elicit reponses.Subsequently the person will understand the pain we blog commentators have been going through.
    BTW, that person could be you as well. So why is your feedback not yet weilding enough lathi ?
    - Mahesh.
    p.s. : Belated Deepavali wishes to everybody .
    p.p.s. for Balwinder Sandhu : No wonder your acronym is BS.
    p.p.p.s for Engrich : You see a zionist conspiracy in weakening of family structure in west. Wonderful. And weakening of “husband” ? Huh ? Boss, tussi great ho. You are fit to be a sanghi. A perfect Sanghi, aspiring for the male dominance of family. Too bad your thoughts are not well articulated that they would earn “Wah Wahs” from the “brothers in arms”. Somebody here commented on the “jenana” attitude when commenting on other bloggers. Your post is equivalent. Too bad they have been really un-fortunate that they never ever had wives / girlfriends / sisters / daughters and other related women folk who were strong enough to kick the “proverbial butts”.

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    AshishC Reply:

    Mahesh,
    my understanding is that HTblogs still run on the Wordpress.org platform.
    Disqus is a plugin that they have added to help moderate the comments.
    As is often the case, the tail is wagging the dog here, because the plugin is insisting on a certain way of lay-out, registering before commenting and so on.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Pankaj, thank you lovely article you have quoted-
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    The government and its sympathisers have taken on the role of Jesus, telling us lesser mortals that “let him who has not sinned cast the first stone”: until then, shut the hell up, as we continue with our rape of the nation.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Dr Pankaj I quote another para from that article you quoted-
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-lost-sense-of-proportion/867012/0

    The IT department claims Arvind Kejriwal owes the government Rs 9.2 lakh because he took study leave for a year, and signed a bond that he would not quit for another three years, which he did not honour. By the way, for those three years, he wasn’t networking at taxpayer expense over fine wine at Davos. He was fighting for the RTI from Sunder Nagri, a slum resettlement in Delhi.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Thanks Mishraji;
    It is good to rise above petty loyality to party and some fixed ideas. Human society is evolving, so is Indian society. Let all of us strive for the best of, first, Indians and then, humanity.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Dr.Mishra,

    a slightly nuanced interpretation of the service rules: Kejriwal completed his study leave period of two years and came back to his post and joined duty. He then went on LOP (leave on loss of pay) for three years, which was granted. According to his interpretation, with which many experts agree, he had not resigned from service during the absence. Please note that his department had recommended that the amount need not be recovered from him, as per his request, since he had complied with the bond terms as applicable to study leave.

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  • Anonymous

    Pankaj,
    Thanks for the article that tries to bring about a co-relation between Occupy Wall Street and Anna Hazare movement (assuredly a blanket term – feeling too lazy to be more definitive).
    I will assume that both you and I know the history of “finance meltdown” that has manifested (notice the operative word here is “manifested” and not to be confused with “happened”) in early 2008. The Occupy Wall Street movement (abbreviated OWS henceforth in this post) has been propelled on the basis of latent sentiment for retribution against investment bankers by those who have lost it in the financial crisis. The comparisons with Anna Hazare movement stop precisely at this point. Those who have been screweed by the system here hardly ever found representation in the Anna Hazare movement. The comparisons get even more stark when one compares ideologues. For instance, try looking up the book authored (Titled – 5000 years of debt ) by the OWS ideologue – David Graeber. Even a pre-cursory dekko at the book will reveal enough about the depth of understanding the OWS folks have about the current Socio-Economic situation. Sad to say this, but the Hazare movement has lacked this depth.
    Another aspect – if you ever get a chance , try being around the OWS folks and see how the decision making process is . For instance, the US nurses union extended their support to OWS (I guess in Ohio). OWS folks, went about their own de-centralised discussion debating and re-debating while arriving at the consensus in accepting the support. Contrast that with the Hazare movement.
    One last anecdotal observation that I feel to re-echo here. In one of his past NYT columns Paul Krugman extended his support to OWS folks. The comments in the comments section particularly reflect the mood. One comment – by a lady from Boston – specifically pointed the OWS movement’s co-relation with Egyptian revolt.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    It is good to hear from you. we all were missing you. These discussions are mental tonics for us. Son is leaving for European tour in one hour time, I have to push him to get ready. I would come back after dropping him and then, would like to post my answer.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mahesh;
    I will try to answer you, but there is too much of economics here and exalted theories. As I have been saying, I am a lay person, trying to live decently and raising my family. An upper middle class person with no pretensions, having seen stark poverty and some opulence. These OWS folks are not very dominant in my city. They look confused themselves. Not taking sides. Yes, it hurts, when banks did some thing wrong, lost trillions and average investors lost their life time savings, but executives, still receiving millions as bonus. Shame on them. In my city, it is very tepid response to OWS movement. Theories apart, I am looking for solutins, answers.

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  • Dr Mishra

    Mahesh, I visit my son who is a Cambridge medical graduate and is at present training in London . Political animal and junkie that I am, I headed out earlier and met the occu wall street folk at St Pauls cathedral.

    You seem to have a romantic notion about the protestors from that distance. Many I met there were what are called in UK as ‘professional protestors’. Some of them took pride in saying that they had been involved in the Univ protests, anti G8 protests etc.

    There was an intellectual emptimess in their rhetoric or slogans. When I thought of their protests all over- I thought- the capitalist system ( which does need reform) is what provides these buggers with the dole and benefits which enables them to caary out these long protests.

    door key dhol suhaavne, mujhe to apney Anna protestors zyaada achhe lagtey hain

    my 2 cents

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  • Anonymous

    @mahesh,happy diwali that just gone. First your favourite topic NEUROSCIENCE.i was flicking through Prof RamaChandran’s latest book THE TELLTALE BRAIN
    Well the bit on language ,I am not convinced .it is a fascinating topic.How language devoloped.Noam Chomski’s theory it came from no where. Prof says the sounds reflect the object as perceived by brain .As you there are several “primitive” tribes all over the world , who are essentially hunter gatherer , yet they do have a language .
    Yet jaro tribe of Andamans to my knowledge dont have any language.
    then again animals do communicate with other , birds in a flock do , dolphins do with sound frequencies.YOUR OPINION WILL BE EAGAERLY AWAITED.

    next is OWS.In Uk they are camping in front of St paul’s cathedral.There is not a great deal of popular support.I guess UK just came out of a riot.Also UK is massively dependent on Financial Services.When they make money , ITS GOOD NEWS FOR TREASURY WHICH GET ALL THE TAXES. Like any investment , if the risk is less , the return is less. Also this business of banker’s bonuses. The problem is it is linked to performance , so if they are delivering , they will pick the takings
    In case of USA it was rank corruption. This HENK POULSEN in Bush cabinet was ex Goldman sachs , and also this subprime malaki and bernie maddox , THESE ARE SIMPLE CORRUPTION, in UK it was not corruption but the GAMBLING WENT HAYWIRE Yours Sincerely Shan

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  • Pankaj#1

    Shan;
    Just now came across the news that Azim Premji is about to start two free schools in every district in India. What is your reaction?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    That’s great…That is what we want not more temples or mosques.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Yes, I have read it. It is a great news. Wish there were more like him. We should all we can in some way or the other.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Folks;
    Just read Masood Hassan at The News, a Pakistani paper. Apart from good command over English, this guy is amazing. Would like to have him as my neighbour.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Now’ having read Masood Hassan fully, I will treat him better than many Indians. Masood Hassan is a Pakistani.

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  • Pankaj#1

    @ Everybody;
    Reading Pakistani Newspapers and pakistanis gloat over the fact that their geographic location is such that they can block India. What kind of moron we have as neighbors? would like to use term GPL, which was quite popular in my student days.

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  • Pankaj#1

    Bhaiyon;
    Last four posts are from me alone, Bakiyon ko kya Saanp Soongh gaya??
    Good night, see you or read you tomorrow.

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  • Anonymous

    Shaan Nirad Babu,

    you said, in response to Dr.Pankaj, “shan is civil to civilized , one thing shan cannot stand is SMUGNESS and POSEURS.”

    Most readers of your long, rambling, disjointed posts here for the last several months know that you too are guilty of the same smugness and poseuring. Besides, you have a very foul mouth, which you use liberally and uncontrollably to abuse all who question your smugness and poseuring.

    Hereunder, I have given two dictionary definitions of the word poseur, which describe your Nirad Babu culture like nothing else does:

    1. poseur:One who affects a particular attribute, attitude, or identity to impress or influence others.

    2. poseur: a person who copies the dress, speech, and/or mannerisms of a group or subculture, generally for attaining acceptability within the group or for popularity among various other groups, etc……..

    From the above, our fellow bloggers can make out that bYOU ARE THE POSEUR HERE, literally.

    Coming to your charge against Maruti of employing “casual labour”.

    You have exposed yourself with your ignorance of the ground realaities in Indian industry and business today.

    It is not casual labour, but contract labour which Maruti and lakhs of other big and small establishments employ within or outside their premises to get what their own employees cannot give or wouldn’t give at lower cost to the employer.

    This is one of the few “rights” managements all over the country have squeazed out of labour unions in the last two-three decades in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    There are ones who have taken british citizenship before you can count ten , yet all the time finding faults with the country WHICH FEEDS THEM AND WILL PROBABLY COMMIT SUICIDE IF KICKED OUT OF THAT COUNTRY.there are ones who immerse their soul, themselves in FIRANGI MAGAZINES (economist,) who liquer JOHNY WALKER , and probably FOREIGN PORN , yet all the time speaking about moral degradation of west.
    THESE ARE POSEURS

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    engrich Reply:

    About 30 gay-rights supporters gathered outside a Tim Hortons restaurant here Thursday to order up an apology after the doughnut shop kicked out a lesbian couple for kissing.

    “I feel very lucky to have this much support with people coming from all over the place,” said Patricia Pattenden, 23, one of the two women ejected from the local Tim Hortons property three weeks ago after kissing outside the store. “It’s really great.”

    Pattenden’s girlfriend, Riley Duckworth, 25, said the rally helped spread the word not just about their situation but about gay rights in general

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  • Anonymous

    Since blog has gone silent for some time here is another one on Ra one.

    Ra one was shown on a flying aeroplane and still people walked out .

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Mohan;
    you are a very good repository of good jokes. thanks.

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  • Ravi

    F1 – Indian Grand Prix and Poverty

    Once again, India is in the news.

    Over the years, how India is viewed in the News has changed. But not very much.

    Yesterday’s news covering the preparation in advance of this morning’s race, was balanced with a steady cam stroll through congested old Delhi, where all those interviewed seemed not aware of the event taking place. It kind of put this race into context. Its appeal is restricted to just a small section of the mall thronging population, many of whom have become interested in motor racing only because it is taking place in India

    Elsewhere the news covered a report from the camp of workers who worked very hard on building the circuit, but are yet to receive payment for their work. The suggestion was that this track is built by the unpaid dirt poor people of India. This kind of publicity is totally avoidable, and highlights how the rich and powerful never shy away from exploting the poor.

    I am as excited and as proud, as any one else to see a world event taking place in India, but just wish that when we are celebrating such events that the poor workers have been given their due.

    This morning’s Breakfast News on the BBC, focused on the story of a 7 year old girl who works on the rubbish tip, to eek out a meagre income of Rs. 35 (50p) a day. When asked what her ambitions are, she said she wishes to be a policeman and would like to put into prison all those who drink and gamble, including her own father.

    I wish there was a way, I could help her DIRECTLY, not because I am against other 7 year olds in the same predicament, just that she connected with me, either by luck or by divine design. Who cares?

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Blimey , This is a NEW RAVI AVATAR, so balanced , so rational no martha nassbaum et al.
    This is nothing unique the CRASS INDIFFERENCE TOWARDS THE WORKERS.same tv footage was seen during commonwealth games , child labourer installing chairs and as if to rub it in wearing TATTY BANIYANS.
    Then the “east delhi citizen” was blaring out yesterday HOW WEST IS DYING AND INDIA WILL LORD OVER THE WEST.
    THE BOTTOM LINE IS CASTE SYSTEM, which is an OXYMORON so far compassion for fellow human beings are concerned.FOR THERE ARE NO FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS only higher middle , lower and untouchable caste.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “This morning’s Breakfast News on the BBC, focused on the story of a 7 year old girl who works on the rubbish tip, to eek out a meagre income of Rs. 35 (50p) a day. When asked what her ambitions are, she said she wishes to be a policeman and would like to put into prison all those who drink and gamble, including her own father”.

    If this does not bring tears to one’s eyes, nothing else will.

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  • Anonymous

    without comment:

    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2169191743481&set=a.2062241869801.114477.1057325634&type=1&ref=nf

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Wow. This time you excelled your self.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Shenoy

    Fantastic!

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Wow. Mind blowing.

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  • Anonymous

    Vijay

    In response to my question
    “Then ask yourself, why did NDA lose in 2004 (*) and then with further reduced margin in 2009?”

    you wrote
    “In my view… the fake sting of Tehelka and mismanagement of jayalalitha and Karuns.

    But let me know ur opinion. ”

    Now either you are “playing” innocent or in denial. We will talk about it some other time.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    I am innocent ! Let us hear ur theory…

    How does 50,000 rupees compare to 17600000000000000000000000 rupees

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  • Anonymous

    @ Manohar

    It does make us feel bad becasue the Congress uses all tricks to defeat the Jan Lokpal which could have redistribued the 176000000000 crores.

    Only when corruption represented by the congress goes, we will have faster redistribution of wealth…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Viju

    I have this strange feeling that BJP is in the pocket of congress..How else one can justify the total stupid activities of BJP…

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Great to have you back, Gopi.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gr8 to have you back Gopi !! We all missed the meaningful analysis and the quotes from the scriptures…

    Yes you are right. The BJP is not handling it right. 2014 could well be a cake walk. But in case it becomes a fractitious unit, people will start comparing it to the Congress. I think they should

    a) Straight away announce that Jaitley is their PM in waiting. I know you would be against Advani. I too would not want him as PM… as he is too old.

    Your vote would be for Modi. I feel MOdi can become a figure which would drive away Naidu and Nitish who would be required. Jaya would back him… and so would probably Mayawati.. now there is is something about unmarried people looking at each other !!

    But…

    The Congress would go ballastic. Right from Engrich and RA-V1 on this blog to Digvinash and Manish Tewari doing a salsa and a rock-n-roll, MOdi could unite the finished Congress.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay

    1) What makes you think that Naidu would be willing to rejoin the NDA? He, like most other allies, walked off primarily because of 2002. We also know that the continuance Nitish Kumar in the NDA is subject to Modi being confined to Gujarat. As he keeps saying – kal kisne dekhaa hai.

    2) I think you do not know Mayawati and Jayalalitha – they will never play second fiddle to anyone. They will shift to Delhi only if they get to be the Prime Minister, nothing less will do, not even the Deputy Prime Ministership. If they lend outside support from their states, it will be a very very “expensive” deal for the party at the centre.

    Mayawati dreams of her party the BSP getting a majority at the cente on its own.

    3) It is strange that you should back Mr. Jaitely, because like Dr. Manmohan Singh, he is a Rajya Sabha MP and from Gujarat (and not Delhi). IIRC, you and your fellow travellers have problem with Dr, Singh getting elected from Assam and that too to the Rajya Sabha. Don’t you have problem with Mr. Jaitely having similar credentials? I do not have a problem with either of them.

    Anonymous Reply:

    Vijay Kumar,

    you are right.

    these six people would count for a lot in the next elections:

    Jayalalitha, Mayawati, Mamta – all unmarried.

    Modi- a bachelor

    Nitish Kumar- a widower.

    Navin Patnaik-a bachelor

    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopiji,

    Nice to see you back.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Gopi,

    the “strange feeling” that you are experiencing is the withdrawal symptoms from being away from Vinodji’s blog for long. It has nothing to do with the BJP’s acitivities, which in your present state, seem stupid to you.

    Now that you are back, I hope you will make up for lost time by speaking on Kiran Bedi and her “shananigans” as Vinodji has described them, and leave the BJP to their stupid ways.

    We are eager to hear your views on the subject.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Kaunsi duniya mein rahte ho?

    1) JanLokpal able to recover and redistribute 1.76 lac crore (US$ 40 billion). I am not sure now whether you are really gullible or just putting up an act.

    I did not “know” that the corruption could be categorized (Congress, BJP, BSP, SP, etc.) and then say this corruption is evil, that one is bad, next one is tolerable and the one by BJP is justifiable (immoral, but not illegal, courtesy Nitin Gadkari*). “Waah, Vijay, kyaa baat hai, maan gaye, ustaad”.

    * He recently said that the BJP has a zero tolerance for corruption. He “forgot” to say that this intolerance is via-a-vis other parties and individuals, but not for the in-house variety by the BJP.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Manohar

    All corruption is bad. But a Rs 50,000 corruption is definately definately less evil than the 40,000 crore mega corruption.

    As CA’s, we always sideline minor transgressions with a audit remark. But mega frauds deserve CVC enquires and jail.

    Manohar, I admire your debating skills and like your posts. But I think you are tripping here. Your heart may be with the Congress– and it is your right to be — but somehow, covering the mega scams now, by saying, “woh bhi chor hai’ will not stick as the quatum of chori is absolutely dispropotional.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Vinoo

    I think you are not understanding the gist of the points I keep making. What puts me off is the double standards and doublespeak. To modify your adage, it is “sirf wohi chor hai”. What I say is “sab chor hain”.

    Comparison of severity of sins/crimes – the punishment is always proportionate, so no discussion here.

    Minor or major transgressions, who draws the line?

    My heart is not with the Congress (I wish you would scroll through the posts and read what I have to say about the Congress and the Nehru-Gandhi family). My concern is with the quality (or the lack of it) of governance. For example, I would love to have Nitish Kumar as the Prime Minister. Would you or any of your fellow travellers?

    I am glad you appreciate my debating skills – thank you.

  • Anonymous

    The GRAND SUCCESS OF FI RACING AND WHAT DOES IT TEACH
    1.That Indians if they put their mind and soul and focus like a laser beam , THERE ISN’T A CHALLENGE THEY CANNOT OVERCOME.
    2.Mani Aiyar is a COD ECONOMIST a rank hypocrite whose daughter is well settled in usa.I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THIS ENTERPRISE (F1)
    JUST FOR ONE REASON , 600 CRORE IT BROUGHT TO EXCHEQUER.
    3.All the transgressions by Mayavati Govt in granting all sorts of concessions WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED.india is a functioning democracy.supreme Court is hearing a petition and asked the organisers to set aside all the taxes due in a separate account
    till the case is discharged.
    INDIANS SO ENAMOURED ABOUT WEST (METALLICA MANIA OR FIASCO)
    WHY THEY DO NOT IMMITATE WESTERN PRACTICES OF TREATING WORKERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT , Like hard hats on construction sites , no child labour etc,proper uniform .
    @Manohar , If the plight of that girl brought you tears , then there are enough example in uk THAT WILL MAKE YOU DROWN IN YOUR TEARS.
    ONLY DIFFERENCE IS UK HAS SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT GIRL WONT HAVE TO SCAVENGE IN UK , WILL BE GIVEN FOR ADOPTION WITH STATE PAYING THE FAMILY EVERY MONTH FOR LOOKING AFTER THE GIRL.

    ADOPTION IS UNKNOWN IN INDIA
    PANDIT MISHRA AND THE BRAMHINICAL SCUMS STIPULATED THAT IF YOU TOUCH A DALIT , YOU WILL BE REBORN AS AN INSECT IN NEXT LIFE.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    “If the plight of that girl brought you tears , then there are enough example in uk THAT WILL MAKE YOU DROWN IN YOUR TEARS”.

    No need to go far. There are more than enough such heart-break stories here in India.

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  • engrich

    Magic of the heart

    Speak from your heart and you will speak the truth.
    Feel with your heart and you will know which way to go.

    Look from your heart and you will see the truth.
    Listen with your heart and you will understand.

    Live from your heart and you will live in peace.
    Love from your heart and you will love forever

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  • Dr Mishra

    ASHISH’S LINK, F1 RACING, PREMJI’s schools”””””””””
    Ashish’s link to the article comparing economies never quite the discussion it deserved, as it kind of degenerated into the India bashers on one side and the overenthusiasitic Indian optimists on the other.

    Then suddenly two news items appeared here- my take on all 3-

    - F1 racing sets pulses racing and there will be economic benefits- trickle sideways economics- A MISHRA NEOLOGISM perhaps- but the news of the schools has warmed my heart so much that, out there on the golf course with temp of 8 degrees, the glow remained and I boasted to all in the club

    - sorry folks, comparing wetsern economies and us, they have had a headstart on us – we started the race not like them on the white line, – we were actually outside the stadium, maybe even outside the city- so I say humbly- THEY ARE ABOUT 100 -125 YEARS AHEAD OF US.
    this assessment, from India’s biggest swaabhimaani

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  • AshishC

    A reason to be proud of.. can’t stop smiling since I read this today morning
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Monk-of-Ramkrishna-Mission-wins-Indias-highest-math-award/articleshow/10548410.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    Great news. Thanks for the link.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ashish,

    An interesting piece of news. By being a monk and eater of non-veg and also a smoker at the same time, he has emphasised that there is more to being a swami than mere saffron clothes.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Exactly my thoughts and you have put it in a very nice way.

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  • AshishC

    And, this is for Vijay, supports the points he makes often comparing Gurgaon and Noida..
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/noida/Maya-Jaypee-show-Delhi-Gurgaon-how-to-get-it-right/articleshow/10547203.cms

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    Anonymous Reply:

    @ Ashish.

    Thx for the link. The model which Digvijay and Rahul want us to pursue– the Gurgaon model– cannot compare one bit to planned state development , Greater Noida style.

    Vadra has great stakes with DLF. And DLF and other builders acquire land fromt he farmer CHEAPER than what the greater NOida authority does.

    Unfortunately ALL private builders do NOT keep enough green areas… nor do they invest in wide roads and infrastructure as it means loss of commercial revenue.

    Sad that the dunces want to inflict a failed development model on all of India.

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    Ravi Reply:

    Mayawati should be the next PM of India

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    Anonymous Reply:

    OMG. then we will have 100000 plus Mayawati’s statues (with the mandatory handbag) all over the country and in all the Indian embassies around the world, according to her Kanshi Ram’s wished it to be so. ;-)

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  • Anonymous

    ==============================================================
    ~~ WHAT THE F1 SUCCESS MEANS FOR TEAM INDIA ~~~
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Despite being at the F1 rally , I refrained from commenting about it yesterday. I was a little unsure whether it was right that India should hold an event which afterall is a celeberation of wealth, speed and opulance.

    Today after talking to a few people in Greater Noida, I am very sure that it was a success and the right thing to do. The locals are happy and why should I not be. Why?

    a) This was an area which was desperately poor 20 years back and had zero electricity and development. But today it boasts of some of the best infrastructure in India. All because fo the vision of an IAS officer called Brijesh Kumar and the Kalyan SIngh and later the Rajnath SIngh government which gave him a free unhindered hand. The credit today may go just go to Mayawati by default. But then, the BJP is never known to put its best foot forward.

    b) The F1 rally will drive in more industrial and institutional investment in the area. The planning is immaculate. Suddenly, Bulandshahar an area best know for crime and kidnapping once– and fights between gujjars, now has a different set of aspirational values. People want to educate their children, become builders, hoteliers, exporters…

    c) Development is a rigorous, tough process. All positive development should just be welcome. Construction is the biggest employer for now. Service sector will follow.

    d) At a larger level, this is a confidence boost for India as we are now holding an event, which the most developed countries do.

    I think for a change we should celeberate the positives as many of us end up punching holes in every thing in India.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Maybe you all would have got bored by my Ra one jokes, but cant stop myself from posting this as this is in relation with F1

    Adrian Sutil the driver of Sahara Force India tried to commit suicide
    because Vijay Malaya asked him to watch Ra One as a punishment for
    losing the race.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan,

    Arre yaar, yeh murder, dakaaiti, dhaka, sab chod dho yaar,

    Please talk about booze, boobs, babes etc at which you are very good.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Shenoy,

    Booze yes, but have I talked about boobs and babes ?
    I am not sure, may be .

    Here is this one :

    For happiness there are 5 things we need in life.

    Good friends
    Good income
    Good food
    Good sleep
    and
    GOOD — UCK

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    The last word looks incomplete

    Did you mean GOOD – LUCK… or was it…. something else?/

    Anonymous Reply:

    Mohan, Vijay Kumar,

    the only thing that comes between the first four and the last one is GOOD LUCK.

    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Shenoy Sahab;
    You should have finished your post after writing ‘ Hic”.

    Anonymous Reply:

    @ MOhan

    Enojoyed it actually….

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Though I am a strong advocate of giving primacy to the development and the progress of the downtrodden, I am not in favour of depriving others of their joy. As it was primarily a private sector project, I do not think one should object to it. Otherwise, one would say no airlines, no 5star hotels, no Shatabdi Expresses, etc., etc. until everybody comes to a certain standards.

    If the Supreme Court does not allow tax exemption for F1 – the money will at least go to the right place – the state treasury. Whether it is used for the good of the citizens is a different matter altogether.

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    Pankaj#1 Reply:

    Manohar;
    what a surprise, such a cordial interaction between two people, I like.
    I agree with all you have written in last two posts.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Pankaj

    I have no problem with interacting with anyone. except one. As long as the bloggers is civilized in his discourse, there can be no problem. Sometimes I may be bit harsh (but never abusive) with my posts to drive home the point. We are not here to become enemies.

    Ravi Reply:

    Manohar

    The F1 was a private sector venture and should not be seen as it de-priortising essential development.

    However, I hope you agree that wages of those who worked on the F1 track need to be given to those who worked on it.

    My understanding is that the owners of the tarck are still holding on to their monies.

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    Anonymous Reply:

    Ravi

    I am not aware of that the wages have not been settled. That is a crime, they should be brought to book and fined, in addition to the settling the wages. Is the UP Govt. or the local authorities doing anything about it?

    Ravi Reply:

    Not sure, my source of information is a 2 day old report in the Guardian. I mentioned it in my earlier post.

    Ravi Reply:

    Here is my source.

    Labourers who have built the circuit for Formula One’s inaugural Indian Grand Prix this weekend are living in destitution at their workplace, without shelter, sanitation or, they claim, the pay they were promised.

    Within sight of the undulating roof of the grandstand at the £130m Buddh International Circuit in Greater Noida, Uttar Pradesh, 13-year-old Raj Kumari, who has carried stones to make approach roads, is living with her parents in a tent made of salvaged plastic sheets.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/28/indian-grand-prix-f1-workers?INTCMP=SRCH

    Anonymous Reply:

    Manohar,

    Agree with you.

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